From cph Sat Apr 1 00:56:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA05074 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:56:52 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10412; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:55:10 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10271; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:55:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from acunet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10258; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:55:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from acunet.net (208.203.130.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:55:07 -0500 Received: from xpool70.acunet.net (xpool70.acunet.net [208.208.7.70]) by acunet.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA14627 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 00:55:02 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200004010555.AAA14627@acunet.net> From: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 00:52:47 -0500 Reply-To: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:55:18 -0500, letoured@sover.net wrote: > >> 2 Items: > >> (1) We're not condemning the whole company for one mistake, just >>the service division. ;-) > >> (2) The problem is that *many* of us users on the list have >>experience the exact same, or similar, problems with IBM's repair service. >>Its a *far* cry from what those of us who are ThinkPad "Veterans" remember >>from the TP 75X days... > > >... And some of us have not had any problems with service -- and not in the >"old" days either, but in the last couple of years, including this past week. I'll have to second this based on my own recent experiences with IBM's Thinkpad service. I had to send my Thinkpad 770 out for service due to problems with my display. I was a bit nervous about the process and what kind of trouble their service department might cause me based upon all the bad comments I had read on this list. I'm quite happy to report that I received very good service. I even had a call from their service department telling me that my Thinkpad's return was going to be delayed another day because they were waiting for a replacement keyboard bezel. (Mine suffered from peeling paint). How many places call to say that there will be a delay of only one day? I just got my Thinkpad back today and the service list shows they repaired the LCD display, Inverter card, Keyboard bezel and updated my System BIOS. So far the problem I was having with my display seems to have been addressed by their service. I guess my only gripe (very minor) would be they could have put on a new trackpoint cap before they returned my unit. Certainly can't cost them much and it would have been a nice touch. :) I'm only one data point, but I've certainly had a good experience with IBM's Thinkpad Repair Service and would not hesitate to use it again. Jeff From cph Sat Apr 1 01:16:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA05110 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:16:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11200; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:16:27 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:16:06 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11107; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:16:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from lem.phy.duke.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11094; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from lem.phy.duke.edu (152.3.182.25 -> lem.phy.duke.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:16:04 -0500 Received: (from hsg@localhost) by lem.phy.duke.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA10915; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:16:03 -0500 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:16:03 -0500 Message-Id: <200004010616.BAA10915@lem.phy.duke.edu> X-Authentication-Warning: lem.phy.duke.edu: hsg set sender to hsg@lem.phy.duke.edu using -f From: "Henry S. Greenside" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 560e XF86Config file for Red Hat 6.1? List-Unsubscribe: I recently upgraded my 560e Thinkpad from RH 4.2 to RH 6.1 and found that the XF86Config file that I had been using didn't work well under 6.1, there is a substantial flickering of the background. By chance, does anyone have an up-to-date XF86Config file for a 560E that does work with 6.1 (preferably in 800x600x16 mode)? I include below the XF86Config that I am currently using and that causes the substantial flickering. Thanks, Henry ================================================================= # File generated by xf86config. # For Red Hat Linux, this file lives in /etc/XF86Config # For my 560E IBM portable # # Copyright (c) 1995 by The XFree86 Project, Inc. # # Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a # copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), # to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation # the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, # and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the # Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions: # # The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in # all copies or substantial portions of the Software. # # THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR # IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, # FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL # THE XFREE86 PROJECT BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER LIABILITY, # WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING FROM, OUT OF # OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER DEALINGS IN THE # SOFTWARE. # # Except as contained in this notice, the name of the XFree86 Project shall # not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other # dealings in this Software without prior written authorization from the # XFree86 Project. # # ********************************************************************** # Refer to the XF86Config(4/5) man page for details about the format of # this file. # ********************************************************************** # ********************************************************************** # Files section. This allows default font and rgb paths to be set # ********************************************************************** Section "Files" # The location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally # no need to change the default. RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (which are concatenated together), # as well as specifying multiple comma-separated entries in one FontPath # command (or a combination of both methods) # # If you don't have a floating point coprocessor and emacs, Mosaic or other # programs take long to start up, try moving the Type1 and Speedo directory # to the end of this list (or comment them out). # FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" FontPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" # For OSs that support Dynamically loaded modules, ModulePath can be # used to set a search path for the modules. This is currently supported # for Linux ELF, FreeBSD 2.x and NetBSD 1.x. The default path is shown # here. # ModulePath "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Module section -- this is an optional section which is used to specify # which dynamically loadable modules to load. Dynamically loadable # modules are currently supported only for Linux ELF, FreeBSD 2.x # and NetBSD 1.x. Currently, dynamically loadable modules are used # only for some extended input (XInput) device drivers. # ********************************************************************** # # Section "Module" # # This loads the module for the Joystick driver # # Load "xf86Jstk.so" # # EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Server flags section. # ********************************************************************** Section "ServerFlags" # Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is # received. This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may # provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging # NoTrapSignals # Uncomment this to disable the server abort sequence # This allows clients to receive this key event. # DontZap # Uncomment this to disable the / mode switching # sequences. This allows clients to receive these key events. # DontZoom # Uncomment this to disable tuning with the xvidtune client. With # it the client can still run and fetch card and monitor attributes, # but it will not be allowed to change them. If it tries it will # receive a protocol error. # DisableVidModeExtension # Uncomment this to enable the use of a non-local xvidtune client. # AllowNonLocalXvidtune # Uncomment this to disable dynamically modifying the input device # (mouse and keyboard) settings. # DisableModInDev # Uncomment this to enable the use of a non-local client to # change the keyboard or mouse settings (currently only xset). # AllowNonLocalModInDev EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Input devices # ********************************************************************** # ********************************************************************** # Keyboard section # ********************************************************************** Section "Keyboard" Protocol "Standard" # when using XQUEUE, comment out the above line, and uncomment the # following line # Protocol "Xqueue" AutoRepeat 500 5 # Let the server do the NumLock processing. This should only be required # when using pre-R6 clients # ServerNumLock # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) # Xleds 1 2 3 # To set the LeftAlt to Meta, RightAlt key to ModeShift, # RightCtl key to Compose, and ScrollLock key to ModeLock: # LeftAlt Meta # RightAlt ModeShift # RightCtl Compose # ScrollLock ModeLock # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable. # XkbDisable # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. # keyboard, you will probably want to use: # XkbModel "pc102" # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: # XkbModel "microsoft" # # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: # XkbLayout "de" # or: # XkbLayout "de" # XkbVariant "nodeadkeys" # # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and # control keys, use: # XkbOptions "ctrl:swapcaps" # These are the default XKB settings for XFree86 # XkbRules "xfree86" # XkbModel "pc101" # XkbLayout "us" # XkbVariant "" # XkbOptions "" XkbKeymap "xfree86(us)" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Pointer section # ********************************************************************** Section "Pointer" Protocol "PS/2" Device "/dev/mouse" # When using XQUEUE, comment out the above two lines, and uncomment # the following line. # Protocol "Xqueue" # Baudrate and SampleRate are only for some Logitech mice # BaudRate 9600 # SampleRate 150 # Emulate3Buttons is an option for 2-button Microsoft mice # Emulate3Timeout is the timeout in milliseconds (default is 50ms) Emulate3Buttons Emulate3Timeout 50 # ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech mice # ChordMiddle EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Xinput section -- this is optional and is required only if you # are using extended input devices. This is for example only. Refer # to the XF86Config man page for a description of the options. # ********************************************************************** # # Section "Xinput" # SubSection "WacomStylus" # Port "/dev/ttyS1" # DeviceName "Wacom" # EndSubSection # SubSection "WacomCursor" # Port "/dev/ttyS1" # EndSubSection # SubSection "WacomEraser" # Port "/dev/ttyS1" # EndSubSection # # SubSection "Elographics" # Port "/dev/ttyS1" # DeviceName "Elo" # MinimumXPosition 300 # MaximumXPosition 3500 # MinimumYPosition 300 # MaximumYPosition 3500 # Screen 0 # UntouchDelay 10 # ReportDelay 10 # EndSubSection # # SubSection "Joystick" # Port "/dev/joy0" # DeviceName "Joystick" # TimeOut 10 # MinimumXPosition 100 # MaximumXPosition 1300 # MinimumYPosition 100 # MaximumYPosition 1100 # # CenterX 700 # # CenterY 600 # Delta 20 # EndSubSection # # The Mouse Subsection contains the same type of entries as the # standard Pointer Section (see above), with the addition of the # DeviceName entry. # # SubSection "Mouse" # Port "/dev/mouse2" # DeviceName "Second Mouse" # Protocol "Logitech" # EndSubSection # EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Monitor section # ********************************************************************** # Any number of monitor sections may be present Section "Monitor" Identifier "TP560E" VendorName "IBM" ModelName "560E" # HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified. # HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. HorizSync 31.5 - 37.9 # HorizSync 30-64 # multisync # HorizSync 31.5, 35.2 # multiple fixed sync frequencies # HorizSync 15-25, 30-50 # multiple ranges of sync frequencies # VertRefresh is in Hz unless units are specified. # VertRefresh may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. VertRefresh 50-100 # Modes can be specified in two formats. A compact one-line format, or # a multi-line format. # These two are equivalent # ModeLine "1024x768i" 45 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817 Interlace # Mode "1024x768i" # DotClock 45 # HTimings 1024 1048 1208 1264 # VTimings 768 776 784 817 # Flags "Interlace" # EndMode # This is a set of standard mode timings. Modes that are out of monitor spec # are automatically deleted by the server (provided the HorizSync and # VertRefresh lines are correct), so there's no immediate need to # delete mode timings (unless particular mode timings don't work on your # monitor). With these modes, the best standard mode that your monitor # and video card can support for a given resolution is automatically # used. # 640x400 @ 70 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync Modeline "640x400" 25.175 640 664 760 800 400 409 411 450 # 640x480 @ 60 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync Modeline "640x480" 25.175 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525 # 800x600 @ 56 Hz, 35.15 kHz hsync ModeLine "800x600" 36 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 # 1024x768 @ 87 Hz interlaced, 35.5 kHz hsync Modeline "1024x768" 44.9 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817 Interlace # 640x400 @ 85 Hz, 37.86 kHz hsync Modeline "640x400" 31.5 640 672 736 832 400 401 404 445 -HSync +VSync # 640x480 @ 72 Hz, 36.5 kHz hsync Modeline "640x480" 31.5 640 680 720 864 480 488 491 521 # 640x480 @ 75 Hz, 37.50 kHz hsync ModeLine "640x480" 31.5 640 656 720 840 480 481 484 500 -HSync -VSync # 800x600 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync Modeline "800x600" 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Graphics device section # ********************************************************************** # Any number of graphics device sections may be present # Standard VGA Device: Section "Device" Identifier "Generic VGA" VendorName "Unknown" BoardName "Unknown" Chipset "generic" # VideoRam 256 # Clocks 25.2 28.3 EndSection # Sample Device for accelerated server: # Section "Device" # Identifier "Actix GE32+ 2MB" # VendorName "Actix" # BoardName "GE32+" # Ramdac "ATT20C490" # Dacspeed 110 # Option "dac_8_bit" # Clocks 25.0 28.0 40.0 0.0 50.0 77.0 36.0 45.0 # Clocks 130.0 120.0 80.0 31.0 110.0 65.0 75.0 94.0 # EndSection # Sample Device for Hercules mono card: # Section "Device" # Identifier "Hercules mono" # EndSection # Device configured by xf86config: Section "Device" Identifier "Trident" VendorName "IBM" BoardName "IBM" #VideoRam 2048 # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Screen sections # ********************************************************************** # The Colour SVGA server Section "Screen" Driver "svga" # Use Device "Generic VGA" for Standard VGA 320x200x256 #Device "Generic VGA" Device "Trident" Monitor "TP560E" DefaultColorDepth 16 Subsection "Display" Depth 8 # Omit the Modes line for the "Generic VGA" device Modes "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 # Use Virtual 320 200 for Generic VGA EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 32 Modes "800x600" "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection # The 16-color VGA server Section "Screen" Driver "vga16" Device "Generic VGA" Monitor "TP560E" Subsection "Display" Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 800 600 EndSubsection EndSection # The Mono server Section "Screen" Driver "vga2" Device "Generic VGA" Monitor "TP560E" Subsection "Display" Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 800 600 EndSubsection EndSection # The accelerated servers (S3, Mach32, Mach8, 8514, P9000, AGX, W32, Mach64) Section "Screen" Driver "accel" Device "Trident" Monitor "TP560E" Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "640x480" "800x600" "1024x768" "1280x1024" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "640x480" "800x600" "1024x768" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 24 Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection Subsection "Display" Depth 32 Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection From cph Sat Apr 1 01:18:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA05117 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:18:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11527; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:18:11 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11385; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from thunderer.cnchost.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11345; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from thunderer.cnchost.com (207.155.252.72 -> thunderer.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:18:08 -0500 Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by thunderer.cnchost.com id BAA24402; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:18:06 -0500 (EST) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.8] Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000331221253.02ff28b0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:15:02 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service In-Reply-To: <200004010555.AAA14627@acunet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 12:52 AM 04/01/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >... And some of us have not had any problems with service -- and not in the > >"old" days either, but in the last couple of years, including this past > week. > >I'll have to second this based on my own recent experiences with IBM's >Thinkpad service. >I'm quite happy to report that I received very good service. I even >had a call from their service department telling me that my Thinkpad's >return was going to be delayed another day because they were waiting >for a replacement keyboard bezel. (Mine suffered from peeling paint). >How many places call to say that there will be a delay of only one day? How many places will call you up after a repair is done--under warranty--and tell you that you owe an exorbitant bill and that they plan to hold you machine hostage until you pay up? >I'm only one data point, but I've certainly had a good experience with >IBM's Thinkpad Repair Service and would not hesitate to use it again. What other choice do we have? From cph Sat Apr 1 01:19:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA05121 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:19:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11550; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:18:29 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:18:11 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11365; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:18:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11344; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:18:08 -0500 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id BAA29813; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:18:07 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id BAA29483; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:18:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000331221042.02fe1340@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:12:12 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service In-Reply-To: <200004010352.WAA08007@pike.sover.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20000331131745.00a9a810@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 06:36 PM 03/31/2000 -0500, you wrote: > > (2) The problem is that *many* of us users on the list have > >experience the exact same, or similar, problems with IBM's repair service. > >Its a *far* cry from what those of us who are ThinkPad "Veterans" remember > >from the TP 75X days... > >.... And some of us have not had any problems with service -- and not in the >"old" dys but in the last couple of years, including this past week. Heaven help you when you find out the truth. I won't even go into mine alone--both good (years ago) and bad (last year, a year before that with a different machine). And my experience only scratches the surface. From cph Sat Apr 1 01:31:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA05143 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:31:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12538; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:30:58 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:30:14 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12417; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:30:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from acunet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12382; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:29:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from acunet.net (208.203.130.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:29:10 -0500 Received: from xpool70.acunet.net (xpool70.acunet.net [208.208.7.70]) by acunet.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id BAA13172 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:29:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200004010629.BAA13172@acunet.net> From: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 01:26:53 -0500 Reply-To: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 31 Mar 2000 22:15:02 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 12:52 AM 04/01/2000 -0500, you wrote: >> >... And some of us have not had any problems with service -- and not in the >> >"old" days either, but in the last couple of years, including this past >> week. >> >>I'll have to second this based on my own recent experiences with IBM's >>Thinkpad service. > >>I'm quite happy to report that I received very good service. I even >>had a call from their service department telling me that my Thinkpad's >>return was going to be delayed another day because they were waiting >>for a replacement keyboard bezel. (Mine suffered from peeling paint). >>How many places call to say that there will be a delay of only one day? > > How many places will call you up after a repair is done--under >warranty--and tell you that you owe an exorbitant bill and that they plan >to hold you machine hostage until you pay up? As I said, mine was only one data point, but it was a good one. Sorry to hear you had problems; I don't mean to imply that my good experience in any way cancels out your bad experience. IBM should strive to ensure that every customer is a happy one. > >>I'm only one data point, but I've certainly had a good experience with >>IBM's Thinkpad Repair Service and would not hesitate to use it again. > > > What other choice do we have? Well, if I felt as strongly as you seem to I guess I would consider NOT buying a Thinkpad the next time around. Of course that doesn't help those who already own Thinkpads and need service. I plan to write a nice letter of thanks for the service they provided me, but I will mention my initial apprehension based upon the negative reviews I had read on this list. Jeff From cph Sat Apr 1 04:17:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA05431 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 04:17:42 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19834; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 04:17:33 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 04:14:10 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19428; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 04:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19415; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 04:14:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 04:14:07 -0500 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05562 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 01:14:06 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38E5BDA2.80C5BD3D@stanford.edu> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 01:13:06 -0800 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 560X keyboard keys not responding References: <20000331133417.12826.qmail@web701.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello all: The comma key on my 560X is starting to refuse to work. Any ideas? I had other keys fail before (return M C) and EZserve replaced the keyboard. Unfortunately my warranty has run out. You may recall some time ago I posted my frustrations with trying to buy an extended warranty. Well IBM refunded some of my money after refusing to activate the extended warranty. And of course now that I need it I don't have it. Besides a faulty keyboard are there other possibilities? Anyone know how much it costs to get a new keyboard (Bill: any help?)? TIA Benjamin P.S. As you may have noticed I have not typed a single comma. And it's not for want of trying :-( -- Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Sat Apr 1 06:08:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA05631 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:08:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28436; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:08:37 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:06:08 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28256; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28243; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:06:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:06:07 -0500 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-4.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.4]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA09541; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:05:55 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000401061208.013cc5e0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 06:12:08 -0800 To: Steve Hultquist , "Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail)" From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: News.com story on the 10million Thinkpad mark... In-Reply-To: <37E1E2BB9C28D311AB390008C707D2A602939B64@nycexis01.mi8.com > Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: IBM had the L40SX (386SX) which was their last big laptop and, IMHO their last true, "kludge," from their old corporate days. After it came the PS/Note series of notebooks which looked similar to Thinkpads and were introduced before the Thinkpad line with the PS/Note 325 (386 model), but were a far cry from a Thinkpad. The PS/Note moniker was a play on the PS/2 series IBM was still clinging desperately to in a market that did not follow IBM's lead anymore. After the Thinkpad line was well along its' way with the introduction of the 700 series (which after the 720c, IBM gave up on MCA all together) and with the 750 series, they introduced lower cost versions of the Thinkpad, and this is where the PS/Note and Thinkpad's crossed paths, as the Thinkpad 350C was equivilent to the PS/Note 425C (Intel 486SL machines) with a few features flipped around. Eventually, they shelved the PS/Note line for the exclusive Thinkpad name and had upper and lower models of Thinkpads (7xx and 3xx series). Now, IBM slaps the Thinkpad name on everything that's a laptop/notebook. (And no, the Z50 isn't a laptop/notebook! ) At 01:15 PM 03/31/2000 -0500, Steve Hultquist wrote: > I don't think they were called Thinkpads. It seems like they were >PS/2s? I remember the Thinkpad announcement (I was working for IBM at the >time). They had the TrackPoint (which was a huge deal at the time) and the >red accent color scheme. However, there were non-color versions of the 700, >I think. ssh -----Original Message----- >From: Dominique Pivard [mailto:domi@kenavo.fi] >Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 12:11 PM >To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: News.com story on the 10million Thinkpad mark... > While you were at it, you could have mentioned the URL of the story (OK, >it's http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-1615998.html). In the story, >they said the first ThinkPad was the 700C, a 25Mhz 486 >introduced in 1992. Now I have a friend who had an IBM laptop: I seem to >remember it was black, a 386 and before 1992. Weren't these machines >called ThinkPads? Does someone know of a URL with a complete history >covering all ThinkPads? Cheers, Dominique (701C, 560, 560X, 600E, all in >use) > ""<>, >said: >(sorry for the previous HTML post, slipped thru the cracks) >Hello, >> I thought maybe some members would be interested in reading this >>story at Cnet's news.com. Quick article on IBM's 10 Million'th sale of >>Thinkpads. 'Makes mention of the 700, 701, 560, and 600. >-Jamie ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Sat Apr 1 06:10:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA05635 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:10:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28598; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:10:03 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:09:52 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28521; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:09:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28508; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:09:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:09:51 -0500 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-4.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.4]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA10947; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:09:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000401061557.013caeb0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 06:15:57 -0800 To: Michelle Klein-Hass , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: News.com story on the 10million Thinkpad mark... In-Reply-To: References: <37E1E2BB9C28D311AB390008C707D2A602939B64@nycexis01.mi8.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:41 AM 03/31/2000 -0800, Michelle Klein-Hass wrote: >> >> >>I don't think they were called Thinkpads. It seems like they were PS/2s? I >>remember the Thinkpad announcement (I was working for IBM at the time). >>They had the TrackPoint (which was a huge deal at the time) and the red >>accent color scheme. However, there were non-color versions of the 700, I >>think. > >IBM made a PS/2 laptop...my friend Chad Page and I found one at my local >Goodwill and he bought it for $30. It was a beigy white color and had a B/W >LCD screen. When IBM was big on PS/2 and its MCA, their early models were based upon it. The P70/P75 weren't notebooks or laptops, but luggables with gas plasma displays. The P70 was 386 based, and the P75 was 486 based. Both actually had MCA expansion slots. If the unit you had was beige and B&W, it could have been an L40SX or an N series model. I would bet on the L40SX. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Sat Apr 1 07:33:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA06251 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 07:33:22 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01409; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 07:33:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 07:31:46 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01104; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 07:31:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01091; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 07:31:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 07:31:44 -0500 Received: from denhall (tc1-41.ismi.net [207.51.180.46]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA27062; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 07:31:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000a01bf9bdf$962e6b20$2eb433cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "Benjamin Koh" Cc: Subject: Re: 560X keyboard keys not responding Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 07:38:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Benjamin, I have a keyboard from a 560 that I parted out--let me know if you'd like to try it. Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Koh Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, April 01, 2000 3:27 AM Subject: 560X keyboard keys not responding >Hello all: > > The comma key on my 560X is starting to refuse to work. Any ideas? I >had other keys fail before (return M C) and EZserve replaced the >keyboard. Unfortunately my warranty has run out. You may recall some >time ago I posted my frustrations with trying to buy an extended >warranty. Well IBM refunded some of my money after refusing to activate >the extended warranty. And of course now that I need it I don't have it. >Besides a faulty keyboard are there other possibilities? Anyone know how >much it costs to get a new keyboard (Bill: any help?)? > >TIA >Benjamin > >P.S. As you may have noticed I have not typed a single comma. And it's >not for want of trying :-( >-- >Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web! > >https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh >Instant $5 cash for signing up! > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com >Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: > http://www.thehungersite.com/ > From cph Sat Apr 1 09:59:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA06640 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:59:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06307; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:59:06 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06200; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:59:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06162; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.99 -> web118.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:59:03 -0500 Received: (qmail 14202 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Apr 2000 14:58:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000401145849.14201.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web118.yahoomail.com; Sat, 01 Apr 2000 06:58:49 PST Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 06:58:49 -0800 (PST) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: 770E memory question To: Jim Schneider Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: You need to check on a better sight, the memory maker's. Check the memory configurator for Viking memory on Insight's web site and you will find that it can be incresed by installing 32, 64, or 128Mb memory modules to a max of 256 or 320Mb. http://config.vikingcomponents.com/insight/details.asp?ConfigID=15995 --- Jim Schneider wrote: > > After looking in the book and the IBM web site, I am > still not clear, > can I put 128mb DIMM in my 770E or > is 64mb the largest ? > > The Crucial.com site lists 16, 32 and 64mb for the > 770, For the 770ED > they list 16, 32, 64 and 128mb parts but the > interesting thing is that > the part numbers are not the same between these two > models for the 16, > 32 and 64mb. > They do not have the 770E listed. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Sat Apr 1 09:59:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA06644 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:59:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06232; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:59:08 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:58:11 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06013; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05991; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:58:07 -0500 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id JAA07537; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:58:06 -0500 (EST) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id JAA10197; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 09:58:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000401061309.02feaea0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 06:56:40 -0800 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: EZServe, Then & Now (Was: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service) In-Reply-To: <200004010629.BAA13172@acunet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 01:26 AM 04/01/2000 -0500, you wrote: > > How many places will call you up after a repair is done--under > >warranty--and tell you that you owe an exorbitant bill and that they plan > >to hold you machine hostage until you pay up? > >As I said, mine was only one data point, but it was a good one. Sorry >to hear you had problems; I don't mean to imply that my good experience >in any way cancels out your bad experience. IBM should strive to >ensure that every customer is a happy one. > > >>I'm only one data point, but I've certainly had a good experience with > >>IBM's Thinkpad Repair Service and would not hesitate to use it again. > > > > > > What other choice do we have? > >Well, if I felt as strongly as you seem to I guess I would consider NOT >buying a Thinkpad the next time around. Of course that doesn't help >those who already own Thinkpads and need service. I've done that route--and came back. Regardless of the disappointment I've often felt about EZServe, ThinkPads are still, IMO, the best machine out there overall. I've owned...oh...6 laptops in the past 6 years, my first being a Sharp and my 2nd being a TP 750C. Then a 701C. Then a 560. Before I got my current (now 2-year old) TP 600, I briefly owned an NEC. To be honest, the NEC was a nice machine--very likeable. But it wasn't a Thinkpad. I think I owned it for 1 month before deciding to sell it, and then got the TP 600. I love ThinkPads, and my next notebook PC will likely be another one. Every time I have bought a *non* ThinkPad, I wish I hadn't, and ended up being quite unhappy, then replacing it (with a ThinkPad). I decry EZServe because those of us who are old-timers remember when they really *were* a class act--prompt, incredible service, no questions asked. They'd do things that *really* surprised you, like replace stuff you didn't even know needed replacing. People talked about it--they were absolutely *delighted* with IBM's service, and the premium we paid for the machines dictated that we *should* be. The reputation was well-earned, and people were only too happy to spread the word about it. Problem: We're still paying a premium for these machines, but the service has flopped. My "old days" experience with EZServe was limited to battery replacement when it died prematurely, and an A/C adapter replacement (something I've had to do 2x with my TP600 as well). Now to be fair, the last time I sent in a TP for service was about 1 year ago, and it was my current TP 600. It had intermittently been casting a pink "haze" on the screen, which could be manipulated to get it back out, but then one day it went permanent. EZServe took the machine, and 2 days later called me back with a repair bill. It was less than a year old and still under warranty. Reason? "User Abuse". My *butt*! I pamper my machines in any way possible--there is *no* way I could possibly have caused that pink screen! It required escalation to supervisors, and then the next level after that. Finally someone started to talk sense, and then a more conscientious technician looked it over, realized that the connector between video & motherboard was slightly defective, and they fixed the problem and sent it back to me. Good service? Ultimately--yes. But only after I kicked, screamed, and scratched to get these jerks to get the clue that I had *not* in any way abused that machine. When someone who was *competent* finally looked at it, that much was very, very clear. The point being, that I should never have had to do that. But it wasn't the first time, nor was my case isolated. MANY on this list have reported very similar experiences. My machine ultimately got fixed. So why am I moaning? Firstly, the accusation is insulting in the first place, particularly with zero foundation for making it. With so many people reporting this, I suspect this is done as a matter of course to see how many suckers they can get to actually *pay* for something that *should* be covered under warranty. The extra time & effort (and searching!) required to escalate the case to higher levels (where apparently the only sensible people work) is fairly extensive, and shouldn't be necessary at all, if they took service seriously. But I've had to do it 2x, and this kind of experience seems to exceed the perfectly smooth experiences by a longshot, based on data from the list. Here's a major contrast: It was about 6 years ago when this list got started. Most people had a flavor of the 750 model, and we also had a few 700 and 720 owners. EZServe was never an issue--actually, quite the opposite. If you had the time or inkling to go search the archives (they exist, but I forget where), then you would see, to my memory, not a *single* negative comment about EZServe, and I'm guessing that would be the case for at least 2 years. What is all the more astounding, is that what *do* read about EZServe is OVERWHELMINGLY positive! ThinkPad owners were *always* delighted in how IBM handled their machines--fast, competent, nearly instant turnaround, and no questions asked. They even went above the call of duty, fixing & replacing things that you didn't even realize were in need of fixing. They even replaced the TrackPoint cap without your asking! They were undeniably the best. They *knew* how to fabulously delight a customer, and I *guarantee* you that experience--or even just *hearing* about that experience from a fellow Thinkpadder--guaranteed a future customer would come back (to buy another ThinkPad), and that others who heard about it would *become* ThinkPad owners in the future. My reasons for buying a ThinkPad then had a lot to do with the level of service from EZServe. That's part of what motivated my purchase of a 701 and a 560. My reasons for buying a ThinkPad today aren't because I know the service/warranty is great--because it just *isn't* (isn't great, that is--perhaps its not even very good). What brings me back today is that other machines suck. I defected in buying that NEC 2 years ago. I would never have bought it if I felt EZServe was still the great operation it once was. At the time, I felt the price premium for TP's was undeserved, particularly given the drop in warranty service level. So why pay so much for a machine when you can get just as shoddy treatment from some other company for less money? ThinkPads still carry a nasty price premium (the good ones anyway--the i-series is cheapo crap and the 3xx series isn't exactly high-end either). I bought the 600 because of its combination of features--and let's face it, the better Thinkpads really *are* better (than other notebooks). But the service stinks. So you just hope and pray nothing goes wrong. The problem is that nobody else's service is any better. They all stink. If anyone else comes up with a combination of a great machine and great warranty service, let me know. Right now I just have a great machine. - Randal Whittle Iceka Consulting ADDENDUM: Bill Morrow pointed out that some years ago, IBM "spun off" EZServe--that is, they are no longer part of IBM, but rather an independent business that contracts with IBM. This spin-off coincided with the huge drop in service level. As a (presumably) profit-seeking entity, apparently part of their strategy is the give the warranty customer a difficult time, attempting to extort money from them. IBM has not figured out that allowing them to get away with such tactics is bad P.R. My field of business is largely in P.R. & Marketing, and I can state firsthand as a professional opinion, that this is *really* bad. I strive with my clients to ensure that even the *perception* of a raw deal is avoided. IBM *used* to do that. From cph Sat Apr 1 12:52:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07126 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:52:09 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13353; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:51:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:51:04 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13163; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from europe.std.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13149; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:51:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from europe.std.com (199.172.62.20 -> europe.std.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:51:01 -0500 Received: from world.std.com (root@world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA21183 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from world.com (docs.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.168.162]) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27852 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 12:50:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <38E63671.372C0C51@world.com> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 12:48:33 -0500 From: Rod Owen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-DIAL (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600x & Norton SpeedDisk on D:\ References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know why IBM partitioned the drive for this machine into a 2-GB, 16-bit FAT partition and a 10-GB, 32-bit FAT one? Also, why Norton SpeedDisk won't run on the D: partition? It says "Drive D may not be configured correctly. Norton Speed Disk cannot run on this drive. Please consult the ReadMe.txt file for more information on this problem." But, the ReadMe.txt file for Norton System Works 2000 v3 doesn't say a word about it. - Some of Symantec's support files say to run FDISK and check for a diagnostic cylinder on the hard drive, which shows up if the logical partitions add up to the same number megabytes as the total disk size reported by FDISK, and this checked out okay, but their files are really confusing in this area. -- They also suggest changing the registry to skip the drive configuration check, but then they say if the drive's configured wrong, you could lose data. I followed their advice here, by adding "NOLBACHECK"=dword:00000001 to the [HKLM\Software\Symantec\Norton Utilities] registry key, and now SpeedDisk seems to work. Is anyone running Norton SpeedDisk on the D: drive successfully in this machine? Thank you very much! -Rod Owen From cph Sat Apr 1 13:27:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07211 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:27:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14597; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:27:09 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:26:46 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14470; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:26:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14456; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:26:44 -0500 Received: from oemcomputer ([32.101.173.106]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000040118263125202k067je>; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 18:26:32 +0000 From: "David Lee" To: Subject: RE: 600x & Norton SpeedDisk on D:\ Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:26:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38E63671.372C0C51@world.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I get the same message about Norton Speeddisk. I run speeddisk with the command sdd32 /nolba. It seems to work. I heard the reason IBM formats the drive that way is because the recovery disk will not work on a FAT32 partition. From cph Sat Apr 1 13:57:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07289 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:57:35 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16210; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:56:38 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16003; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15989; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:56:36 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:56:36 -0500 Received: from sover.net (arc1a132.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.133]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA28938 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:56:33 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200004011856.NAA28938@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a132.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.133] 209.198.113.133 Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:56:33 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 13:41:37 -0500 To: TP List In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000331221042.02fe1340@pop3.iceka1.com> Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.69 b68 List-Unsubscribe: Randal Whittle said: >At 06:36 PM 03/31/2000 -0500, you wrote: >> > (2) The problem is that *many* of us users on the list have >> >experience the exact same, or similar, problems with IBM's repair service. >> >Its a *far* cry from what those of us who are ThinkPad "Veterans" remember >> >from the TP 75X days... >> >>.... And some of us have not had any problems with service -- and not in the >>"old" dys but in the last couple of years, including this past week. > Heaven help you when you find out the truth. I won't even go into >mine alone--both good (years ago) and bad (last year, a year before that >with a different machine). And my experience only scratches the surface. What can I say. In the past two years I have a keyboard and a screen replaced. No problem, no questions. In the last two months I've had a CD ROM and a battery replaced. No problem. No questions other then the normal tests for the CD. They simply accepted my explanation of the battery problem and shipped a new one. -- Maybe they just don't like you . _____________ Ed Letourneau From cph Sat Apr 1 14:37:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA07389 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:37:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18582; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:37:06 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:36:47 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18499; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:36:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18485; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:36:45 -0500 (EST) From: Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (207.115.153.21 -> smtppop2.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:36:45 -0500 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop2.gte.net with SMTP for ; id NAA3155963 Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:37:06 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200004011937.NAA3155963@smtppop2.gte.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:36:44 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: RE: 600x & Norton SpeedDisk on D:\ List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "David Lee" Sat, 1 Apr 2000 13:26:26 -0500 > I heard the reason IBM formats the drive that way is because the recovery > disk will not work on a FAT32 partition. I know that the hibernation file used to require a FAT16 partition also, though someone wrote a REXX procedure that enabled its creation on an HPFS partition. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/01/00, 13:36:06 From cph Sat Apr 1 14:42:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA07405 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:42:00 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18989; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:41:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:41:38 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18910; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:41:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18897; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:41:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.121 -> pilot021.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:41:36 -0500 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm453-32.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.186]) by pilot021.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA45790 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:41:30 -0500 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000401143130.00d01b90@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 14:42:15 -0500 To: TP List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: EZServe, Then & Now (Was: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000401061309.02feaea0@pop3.iceka1.com> References: <200004010629.BAA13172@acunet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Well, I can agree with nearly all that you say. Certainly the service from IBM is less than it was at one point. I can remember when I had my 700C, how I got someone from IBM itself to work on things in my office. It was great. I must disagree with you that the i series is "crap"--the problem with them, as far as I can determine is that they sometimes aren't built right. My 1451i has been pefect for almost a year now, having just developed the "pink screen" problem (I hope I don't have your experience with ezserve on this one!). My 1480i had some problems initially--which took three visits to the ezserve people, but its been running solidly for three months now (and I mean 24/7). So when they build them correctly, they work very well. I use Dell's for desktop units, and a few Inspirons have been ordered lately. I am impressed with the Inspiron line: they're well built, FAST, and heavy. From my perspective, heavy is better on a laptop in that they've probably not cut as many physical corners structucturally, meaning higher reliability. Dell's service is *fantastic*. I have never never ever had to fight them on something, anything. If I tell them whats wrong with something and its weird, they might want me to go over things with them, but I've never seen that as an excuse to avoid something. In that regard Dell rules. So one place doesn't stink. So now I have to call EZServe with my "pink screen" problem. Gulp. I hope I don't wind up in a screaming match with them over this issue. --STeve Andre' > I've done that route--and came back. Regardless of the > disappointment I've often felt about EZServe, ThinkPads are still, IMO, > the best machine out there overall. I've owned...oh...6 laptops in the > past 6 years, my first being a Sharp and my 2nd being a TP 750C. Then a > 701C. Then a 560. Before I got my current (now 2-year old) TP 600, I > briefly owned an NEC. To be honest, the NEC was a nice machine--very > likeable. But it wasn't a Thinkpad. I think I owned it for 1 month > before deciding to sell it, and then got the TP 600. > > I love ThinkPads, and my next notebook PC will likely be another > one. Every time I have bought a *non* ThinkPad, I wish I hadn't, and > ended up being quite unhappy, then replacing it (with a ThinkPad). > > I decry EZServe because those of us who are old-timers remember > when they really *were* a class act--prompt, incredible service, no > questions asked. They'd do things that *really* surprised you, like > replace stuff you didn't even know needed replacing. People talked about > it--they were absolutely *delighted* with IBM's service, and the premium > we paid for the machines dictated that we *should* be. The reputation > was well-earned, and people were only too happy to spread the word about it. > > Problem: We're still paying a premium for these machines, but > the service has flopped. My "old days" experience with EZServe was > limited to battery replacement when it died prematurely, and an A/C > adapter replacement (something I've had to do 2x with my TP600 as well). > > Now to be fair, the last time I sent in a TP for service was > about 1 year ago, and it was my current TP 600. It had intermittently > been casting a pink "haze" on the screen, which could be manipulated to > get it back out, but then one day it went permanent. EZServe took the > machine, and 2 days later called me back with a repair bill. It was less > than a year old and still under warranty. Reason? "User Abuse". My > *butt*! I pamper my machines in any way possible--there is *no* way I > could possibly have caused that pink screen! > > It required escalation to supervisors, and then the next level > after that. Finally someone started to talk sense, and then a more > conscientious technician looked it over, realized that the connector > between video & motherboard was slightly defective, and they fixed the > problem and sent it back to me. > > Good service? Ultimately--yes. But only after I kicked, > screamed, and scratched to get these jerks to get the clue that I had > *not* in any way abused that machine. When someone who was *competent* > finally looked at it, that much was very, very clear. The point being, > that I should never have had to do that. But it wasn't the first time, > nor was my case isolated. MANY on this list have reported very similar > experiences. > > My machine ultimately got fixed. So why am I moaning? Firstly, > the accusation is insulting in the first place, particularly with zero > foundation for making it. With so many people reporting this, I suspect > this is done as a matter of course to see how many suckers they can get > to actually *pay* for something that *should* be covered under > warranty. The extra time & effort (and searching!) required to escalate > the case to higher levels (where apparently the only sensible people > work) is fairly extensive, and shouldn't be necessary at all, if they > took service seriously. But I've had to do it 2x, and this kind of > experience seems to exceed the perfectly smooth experiences by a > longshot, based on data from the list. > > Here's a major contrast: It was about 6 years ago when this list > got started. Most people had a flavor of the 750 model, and we also had > a few 700 and 720 owners. EZServe was never an issue--actually, quite > the opposite. If you had the time or inkling to go search the archives > (they exist, but I forget where), then you would see, to my memory, not a > *single* negative comment about EZServe, and I'm guessing that would be > the case for at least 2 years. What is all the more astounding, is that > what *do* read about EZServe is OVERWHELMINGLY positive! ThinkPad owners > were *always* delighted in how IBM handled their machines--fast, > competent, nearly instant turnaround, and no questions asked. They even > went above the call of duty, fixing & replacing things that you didn't > even realize were in need of fixing. They even replaced the TrackPoint > cap without your asking! They were undeniably the best. They *knew* how > to fabulously delight a customer, and I *guarantee* you that > experience--or even just *hearing* about that experience from a fellow > Thinkpadder--guaranteed a future customer would come back (to buy another > ThinkPad), and that others who heard about it would *become* ThinkPad > owners in the future. > > My reasons for buying a ThinkPad then had a lot to do with the > level of service from EZServe. That's part of what motivated my purchase > of a 701 and a 560. My reasons for buying a ThinkPad today aren't > because I know the service/warranty is great--because it just *isn't* > (isn't great, that is--perhaps its not even very good). What brings me > back today is that other machines suck. I defected in buying that NEC 2 > years ago. I would never have bought it if I felt EZServe was still the > great operation it once was. At the time, I felt the price premium for > TP's was undeserved, particularly given the drop in warranty service > level. So why pay so much for a machine when you can get just as shoddy > treatment from some other company for less money? > > ThinkPads still carry a nasty price premium (the good ones > anyway--the i-series is cheapo crap and the 3xx series isn't exactly > high-end either). I bought the 600 because of its combination of > features--and let's face it, the better Thinkpads really *are* better > (than other notebooks). But the service stinks. So you just hope and > pray nothing goes wrong. > > The problem is that nobody else's service is any better. They > all stink. > > If anyone else comes up with a combination of a great machine and > great warranty service, let me know. Right now I just have a great machine. > >- Randal Whittle >Iceka Consulting > >ADDENDUM: Bill Morrow pointed out that some years ago, IBM "spun off" >EZServe--that is, they are no longer part of IBM, but rather an >independent business that contracts with IBM. This spin-off coincided >with the huge drop in service level. As a (presumably) profit-seeking >entity, apparently part of their strategy is the give the warranty >customer a difficult time, attempting to extort money from them. IBM has >not figured out that allowing them to get away with such tactics is bad >P.R. My field of business is largely in P.R. & Marketing, and I can state >firsthand as a professional opinion, that this is *really* bad. I strive >with my clients to ensure that even the *perception* of a raw deal is >avoided. IBM *used* to do that. From cph Sat Apr 1 14:51:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA07423 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:51:27 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19692; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:51:11 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19614; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:51:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19601; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:51:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:51:10 -0500 Received: from tp600 (adsl-141-156-51-86.bellatlantic.net [141.156.51.86]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA11783; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:27:57 -0500 (EST) From: "Patrick A. Forte" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 14:29:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200004011856.NAA28938@pike.sover.net> List-Unsubscribe: Ed: On this one, it appears to me that Whittle is correct and you are the exception with the happy EZserve experience recently. My experience was great - at one time. Recently, I all but had to start some sort of expensive, slow proceedings against EZserve to receive obvious warrenty service on one of my 600Es. Over the years, I have had a number of Thinkpads including 4 701Cs, 750, 760ED, 560, 560E, and several 600s. The EZserve experience, starting about 2 years ago, is hostile, offensive, unreasonable, incompetent and not very user friendly! The TPs are still nice when they work. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: letoured@sover.net [mailto:letoured@sover.net] Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 1:42 PM To: TP List Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service Randal Whittle said: >At 06:36 PM 03/31/2000 -0500, you wrote: >> > (2) The problem is that *many* of us users on the list have >> >experience the exact same, or similar, problems with IBM's repair service. >> >Its a *far* cry from what those of us who are ThinkPad "Veterans" remember >> >from the TP 75X days... >> >>.... And some of us have not had any problems with service -- and not in the >>"old" dys but in the last couple of years, including this past week. > Heaven help you when you find out the truth. I won't even go into >mine alone--both good (years ago) and bad (last year, a year before that >with a different machine). And my experience only scratches the surface. What can I say. In the past two years I have a keyboard and a screen replaced. No problem, no questions. In the last two months I've had a CD ROM and a battery replaced. No problem. No questions other then the normal tests for the CD. They simply accepted my explanation of the battery problem and shipped a new one. -- Maybe they just don't like you . _____________ Ed Letourneau From cph Sat Apr 1 16:50:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA07857 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:50:53 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24739; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:49:28 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24587; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:49:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24574; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:49:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (24.128.1.71 -> chmls06.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:49:26 -0500 Received: from Laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA09997 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:49:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 16:49:23 -0500 Message-ID: <004001bf9c24$24a1c340$0200a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I've never dealt with EZ Serve directly, nor would I unless I was required to under an extended warrantee. I bought an IBM computer, not an EZ Serve computer. When I've had problems I called the IBM help number and they've made the authorizations. When I wanted a 14 gig hard drive replacement in my 770Z for the second time, because both the first and second drives had become noisy (whining) after several weeks of use, IBM support rep. said, "Fine, we want you to be happy with the machine." They sent me a new disk and gave me two weeks or 30 days, I forget which, to do the swap. Only problem with this story is that the third hard drive, too, started out quiet and within weeks made such a whine that I can't leave it running while trying to read or have serious conversations in the same room with it. But that's another matter, and it's clear to me at this point that putting in a fourth 14 gig drive isn't going to help, it's got to be the nature of the beast. -- Jeff From cph Sat Apr 1 17:51:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA08043 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 17:51:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27045; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 17:51:13 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 17:50:35 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26651; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 17:50:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26638; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 17:50:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 17:50:32 -0500 Received: from tp600 (adsl-141-156-51-86.bellatlantic.net [141.156.51.86]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA06728; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 17:50:24 -0500 (EST) From: "Patrick A. Forte" To: "Jeffrey Baker" Cc: Subject: RE: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 17:51:49 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <004001bf9c24$24a1c340$0200a8c0@Laptop> List-Unsubscribe: Jeff: Can you elaborate a little on I "called the IBM help number and they've made the authorizations." Are you outside the US? Was this a TP purchased within the US. Was the TP Purchased by a government unit? Your story does not line-up with what I understand is the IBM service structure. Please let us know what kind of an arrangement you have. We may wan to do the same! Thanks. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Baker [mailto:plumbush2@mediaone.net] Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 4:49 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service I've never dealt with EZ Serve directly, nor would I unless I was required to under an extended warrantee. I bought an IBM computer, not an EZ Serve computer. When I've had problems I called the IBM help number and they've made the authorizations. When I wanted a 14 gig hard drive replacement in my 770Z for the second time, because both the first and second drives had become noisy (whining) after several weeks of use, IBM support rep. said, "Fine, we want you to be happy with the machine." They sent me a new disk and gave me two weeks or 30 days, I forget which, to do the swap. Only problem with this story is that the third hard drive, too, started out quiet and within weeks made such a whine that I can't leave it running while trying to read or have serious conversations in the same room with it. But that's another matter, and it's clear to me at this point that putting in a fourth 14 gig drive isn't going to help, it's got to be the nature of the beast. -- Jeff From cph Sat Apr 1 20:51:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA08582 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:51:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03792; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:50:09 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03629; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:50:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03615; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:50:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (24.128.1.71 -> chmls06.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:50:07 -0500 Received: from Laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA07443 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:50:05 -0500 (EST) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:50:03 -0500 Message-ID: <004a01bf9c45$c3432fe0$0200a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Patrick, Thanks for your forthright questions. I suppose I'm something of a lurker on this list, as I don't have a corporate computer or professional knowledge of computers and networks, though I'm really not sure what other members are running and why. As a writer and home user, I probably would have ended up with an "i" series ThinkPad when I moved up last year from WordStar on DOS to a laptop I could network to our cable-connected desktop. However, a corporate network person on a laptop newsgroup was kind enough to alert me to the value of the 600 and 770 series Thinkpads, which I hadn't even heard of. They were out of my price range, so I started looking on EBay for a used one - and there were lots as of last spring when I purchased mine, many unopened 770E models still under 3 year warrantee, at "i" laptop prices, some unopened and being handed off by companies to their network person at a giveaway price, then being resold for double that at, say, $2000 - $2200. Then just as I was starting to bid, EBay did its major crashes. So instead of bidding, I called Global Remarketing in Texas, who were auctioning quite a few 770X's and Z's. They happened to have an "open box" 770Z right there and, with EBay down, unloaded it to me for $3000, which was close enough to my price range albeit higher, but generous (I think) for a 95498AU. It was certainly more laptop than I ever expected to own and it seemed like a gimme. I don't know where most people on the list are getting their Thinkpads, and whether bought personally or corporately, or what arrangements come with them, but the manual of this one had an IBM help number, 1-800-772-2227. For my learning curve, and dissatisfactions with the noisy 14 gig hard drive, I simply called them with questions and reasonable requests - like why can't I work in peace or listen to music while writing without a noisy whine. (As I say, they couldn't solve that one with replacements in the existing technology, at least in my experience, but they were completely gracious about it, to the point of agreeing that over the phone it certainly sounded like a machine shop, and I was honest with them in my dealings with them, firm but friendly and understanding of their trials and tribulations. We're all working stiffs.) So, I am not outside the US, unless Massachusetts counts as that. I hope this information is of some usefulness, and I'd be interested in knowing what arrangements others have with purchase and with IBM, if different from the above. In any case, power to the people, as we used to say when I was thirty years younger. -- Jeff >Jeff: > > Can you elaborate a little on I "called the IBM help number and they've >made the authorizations." Are you outside the US? Was this a TP purchased >within the US. Was the TP Purchased by a government unit? Your story does >not line-up with what I understand is the IBM service structure. Please let >us know what kind of an arrangement you have. We may wan to do the same! >Thanks. > >Patrick > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeffrey Baker [mailto:plumbush2@mediaone.net] >Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 4:49 PM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service > > >I've never dealt with EZ Serve directly, nor would I unless I was required >to under an extended warrantee. I bought an IBM computer, not an EZ Serve >computer. When I've had problems I called the IBM help number and they've >made the authorizations. When I wanted a 14 gig hard drive replacement in >my 770Z for the second time, because both the first and second drives had >become noisy (whining) after several weeks of use, IBM support rep. said, >"Fine, we want you to be happy with the machine." They sent me a new disk >and gave me two weeks or 30 days, I forget which, to do the swap. > >Only problem with this story is that the third hard drive, too, started out >quiet and within weeks made such a whine that I can't leave it running while >trying to read or have serious conversations in the same room with it. But >that's another matter, and it's clear to me at this point that putting in a >fourth 14 gig drive isn't going to help, it's got to be the nature of the >beast. > > -- Jeff > >> From cph Sat Apr 1 21:50:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA08846 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:50:59 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06309; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:50:50 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:50:31 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06226; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06213; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:50:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:50:28 -0500 Received: from compaq ([12.79.54.42]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000402025026.WCZG22495.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@compaq> for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 02:50:26 +0000 Message-ID: <38E6B563.376F@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 21:50:11 -0500 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Need help - ThinkPad MWAVE Modem and AOL 4.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone got a modem string that works? I can't disconnect, the modem stays on and ties up the machine Thanks From cph Sat Apr 1 22:13:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA08978 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 22:13:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07582; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 22:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 22:12:58 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07477; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 22:12:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07464; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 22:12:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 22:12:56 -0500 Received: from 701c ([12.74.13.224]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000402031254.QJSV14995.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 03:12:54 +0000 Message-ID: <00b601bf9c50$bc1b84a0$e00d4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Thinkpad and AOL Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 21:08:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. The problem is not AOL, nor your thinkpad. The problem is the software AOL uses is set up for a standard modem, and does some strange things once it connects, like rewrite the modems look-up table!. Perhaps, look for a patch on AOL?. I found one a few months back for somone else who had the same problem on a Sony laptop. I do not use AOL, and so I kept no files. From cph Sat Apr 1 23:39:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA09179 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:39:36 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10597; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:38:51 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10414; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:38:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from cinnamon.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10401; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:38:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from cinnamon.com (216.100.248.113 -> adsl-216-100-248-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:38:49 -0500 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp4.cinnamon.com [192.0.2.132]) by cinnamon.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA00631 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 20:38:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38E6CE87.5FC9AD9B@ricochet.net> Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 20:37:28 -0800 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad and AOL References: <00b601bf9c50$bc1b84a0$e00d4a0c@701c> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: And AOL is on version five now. I think I've gotten at least five of these coasters in the mail so far... rudolph wratten wrote: > Hello. > > The problem is not AOL, nor your thinkpad. > The problem is the software AOL uses is set up for a standard modem, and > does some strange things once it connects, like rewrite the modems look-up > table!. Perhaps, look for a patch on AOL?. I found one a few months back for > somone else who had the same problem on a Sony laptop. I do not use AOL, and > so I kept no files. From cph Sat Apr 1 23:54:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA09213 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:54:38 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11521; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:54:18 -0500 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11389; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:54:18 -0500 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id XAA24357 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:53:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29176; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 18:41:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Apr 2000 18:41:07 -0500 Received: from tp1721 (user-33qt8qo.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.163.88]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA31878 for ; Sat, 1 Apr 2000 18:41:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006e01bf9c33$ab82bb80$58a3aec7@tp1721> From: "Chuck S." To: "TP List" References: <4.2.0.58.20000401061309.02feaea0@pop3.iceka1.com> Subject: Re: EZServe, Then & Now (Was: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service) Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 17:40:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randal Whittle" To: "TP List" Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 8:56 AM Subject: EZServe, Then & Now (Was: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service) | | ThinkPads still carry a nasty price premium (the good ones | anyway--the i-series is cheapo crap and the 3xx series isn't exactly | high-end either). I bought the 600 because of its combination of | features--and let's face it, the better Thinkpads really *are* better (than | other notebooks). But the service stinks. So you just hope and pray | nothing goes wrong. | >From what I have seen, high-end TP's are just as expensive as other high-end laptops. The i-series has the best price/performance of any TP, which probably explains its success. There is now a TP for everyone's pocketbook and needs. If the 600 is the Lexus of laptops, then I guess that makes the i-series a Toyota, which ain't all that bad. From cph Sun Apr 2 01:04:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA09414 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 01:04:24 -0500 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14438; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 01:03:59 -0500 (EST) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 01:01:48 -0500 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14024; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 01:01:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13988; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 01:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 01:01:46 -0500 Received: from 701c ([12.74.12.64]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000402060143.XJAT22495.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 06:01:43 +0000 Message-ID: <001901bf9c68$4fa4de80$400c4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: AOL/ !ver5 Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2000 23:57:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. Be warned, version 5 of AOL gives you the option to set AOL as your default. This gets rid of everything linked to your browser!. The only way to run more then AOL as your ISP is to reconstruct the links, sometimes easier to reformat and restore. From cph Sun Apr 2 07:01:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA19360 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 07:01:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA28085; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 07:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 06:58:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27911; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 06:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27896; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 06:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (209.185.241.182 -> f182.law3.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 06:58:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 91518 invoked by uid 0); 2 Apr 2000 10:58:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000402105855.91517.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 216.66.150.169 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 03:58:55 PDT X-Originating-IP: [216.66.150.169] From: "Kevin Quan" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 03:58:55 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: please unsubscribe me ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Sun Apr 2 13:07:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20158 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:07:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07621; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:06:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07442; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07427; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:06:07 -0400 Received: from 207-172-184-145.s145.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.184.145] helo=localhost.localdomain) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12bnoW-0001Ne-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:05:29 -0400 From: Rusty Lingenfelter Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 18:05:25 GMT Message-ID: <20000402.18052500@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: Linux on 701CS To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; StarOffice/5.1; Linux) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA20159 OK, more specifics. I put the RH 6.0 CD in the SCSI CD in the Dock II. I put the RH 6.0 boot disk in the floppy drive attached to the Dock II. I have the TP701 set to Smart boot. It boots from the floppy and comes up to the opening screen. I try a standard install or an expert install and either way I get boot: Loading initrd.img............................................boot failed Also, in support of Len and as a special treat for Mr. RTFRFC, I have posted all replies on top. I appreciate those who have contributed to the development of Internet. Having been around folks from ARPA then DARPA then ARPA since the mid-80's, I meet many who make that claim. Regardless, I would submit that folks should be shown deference on this list based on their contribution to this list and not other laurels. Thanks for the assistance. Rusty > From: David Jones Save Address - Block Sender > To: lingenfr@erols.com Save Address > CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Save Address > Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2000 21:19:10 -0700 >Subject: Re: Linux on 701CS > > A counter example: I installed Slackware 3.5 on a 701C docked in a > Dock II via its SCSI CD-ROM with no trouble. Need more information > regarding "...I get a boot failed". > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- -- ->MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:43:16 -1000 >From: "Keith @ LavaNet" >Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" >To: >Subject: Re: Linux on 701CS >Message-Id: <00d101bf9a0a$d9a84fa0$f0e41918@hawaii.rr.com> > >--As I recall my Red Hat has to boot off of a LILO boot floppy. If your 701 >is set to boot on Hard Drive, then it is ignoring the floppy drive for a OS >disk when booting. Change it to Smart or Conventional and it should boot. >If that doesn't work, try booting from another floppy say with Win95 or >Win98 on it. You might just have a bad boot floppy. Hope I've helped. > > --Keith (fellow vintage 701 user) > > >Keith Wong >System Admin - Document Imaging >Honolulu Police Department - Records Division >Office: (808) 529-3434 >Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com > pirate@lava.net > kwong@email.uophx.edu >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rusty Lingenfelter >To: >Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 3:34 PM >Subject: Linux on 701CS > > >I have a 701CS (AMD 5x86-133 w/ 40MB). I have it in a Dock II with >SCSI CD and floppy disk. I get a boot failed with I try run the >install with RH 6.0. Any ideas? > >Rusty From cph Sun Apr 2 13:30:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20212 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:30:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08787; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:29:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08599; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08586; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:29:53 -0400 Received: from Hades ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA14664; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: "'STeve Andre''" , "'TP List'" Subject: RE: EZServe, Then & Now (Was: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:28:40 -0500 Message-ID: <000801bf9cd1$454dfca0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000401143130.00d01b90@pilot.msu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: Folks, Just as an aside, I have a 2 yr. old TP600 that is also intermittently experiencing "pink screen". From the posts, it sounds as if this can be traced to a bad connection on the LCD ribbon cable. Is there anyone lurking here that can change this from "demand to talk to the supervisor" at EZServe to "Oh yeah, we'll take care of that one"? I'm not just talking about myself - I'm talking about the dozens of us that will potentially experience this problem over the next few years (by the end of your warrantee, the fix may cost more than the laptop will be worth). I'm also NOT talking about boycotts or lawsuits - hopefully something much more positive. Any win-win suggestions? More to the point, is there anyone out there lurking that understands that this group represents the "parakeet in the mineshaft" for the TP reputation? I personally have not only purchased 3 Thinkpads, but I've also recommended them to dozens of clients and co-workers. In the last 3 months, it was with great regret that I decided to change company purchasing from TP's back to the Dell Latitude line. IBM lost 4 sales in Y2K as a result. This group's discussion of service in large part forced me to that decision. I'm sure that some of you are facing similar decisions. Anyone remember Black & Decker? As I recall, they took a once excellent reputation and squandered it by putting cheap power tools into K-Mart, etc. If you purchased one, please don't take this as offense, but I saw the introduction of the i-Series as a similar move by IBM. I'm concerned that by lack of leadership, IBM may ultimately do the same to the ThinkPad name. We didn't buy TPs because they were cheap - we bought them because they were the best. Is there any one lurking who cares or has the ear of someone who can do something about this? My $.02 Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] > Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 1:42 PM > To: TP List > Subject: Re: EZServe, Then & Now (Was: Fascinating article on IBM > ThinkPad Repair Service) From cph Sun Apr 2 13:49:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20264 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:49:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09703; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:49:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09575; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09558; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.32 -> smtp.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 13:49:28 -0400 Received: from 1cust59.tnt8.lax3.da.uu.net (HELO tp600e) (63.23.75.59) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Apr 2000 10:49:25 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <001601bf9ccb$db158ce0$0200a8c0@tp600e> Reply-To: "James" From: "James" To: , "'STeve Andre''" , "'TP List'" References: <000801bf9cd1$454dfca0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> Subject: Re: EZServe, Then & Now (Was: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service) Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 10:49:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Mark, I agree. I bought TP for work and personal use not because I wanted to save $$. I bought it because for it's unique quality, which is not found in Dell, Gateway, Compaq or any other manufacturer. Where I work, we have Gateways, Dells as well as Thinkpads. The 600s and 770s are far better than the rest in my opinion. And the drivers for Thinkpads are frequently updated and easy to find. Dell for instances, the drivers for their older laptops are difficult to find at times. Once Dell phase out a particular model, the drivers are hidden in a place where it's almost impossible to find. Occassionally, the pull it off the net so it can't even be downloaded. One last thing is that IBM's international support is far better than others. I travel overseas very frequently and on several occassions I had problems with the hardware - like my floppy is not working - and I called the local IBM support and they replaced or repaired my Thinkpad within 24 hours. As for the i series, it's ok for general use which is what it was intended for anyways. But as far as total reliablity and international support, I will stick with the higher end models. Plus I believe only the 600s and 770s have built in zips and LS120 where as the lower end ones do not. Thanks James my 2 cents! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Lemon" To: "'STeve Andre''" ; "'TP List'" Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 11:28 AM Subject: RE: EZServe, Then & Now (Was: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service) > Folks, > > Just as an aside, I have a 2 yr. old TP600 that is also intermittently > experiencing "pink screen". From the posts, it sounds as if this can > be traced to a bad connection on the LCD ribbon cable. > > Is there anyone lurking here that can change this from "demand to talk > to the supervisor" at EZServe to "Oh yeah, we'll take care of that one"? > > I'm not just talking about myself - I'm talking about the dozens of us > that will potentially experience this problem over the next few years > (by the end of your warrantee, the fix may cost more than the laptop > will be worth). I'm also NOT talking about boycotts or lawsuits - > hopefully something much more positive. > > Any win-win suggestions? > > More to the point, is there anyone out there lurking that understands that > this group represents the "parakeet in the mineshaft" for the TP reputation? > I personally have not only purchased 3 Thinkpads, but I've also recommended > them to dozens of clients and co-workers. In the last 3 months, it was > with great regret that I decided to change company purchasing from TP's back > to the Dell Latitude line. IBM lost 4 sales in Y2K as a result. This > group's discussion of service in large part forced me to that decision. > > I'm sure that some of you are facing similar decisions. > > Anyone remember Black & Decker? As I recall, they took a once excellent > reputation and squandered it by putting cheap power tools into K-Mart, etc. > If you purchased one, please don't take this as offense, but I saw the > introduction of the i-Series as a similar move by IBM. > > I'm concerned that by lack of leadership, IBM may ultimately do the same > to the ThinkPad name. We didn't buy TPs because they were cheap - we > bought them because they were the best. Is there any one lurking who cares > or has the ear of someone who can do something about this? > > My $.02 > > Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] > > Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 1:42 PM > > To: TP List > > Subject: Re: EZServe, Then & Now (Was: Fascinating article on IBM > > ThinkPad Repair Service) > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Sun Apr 2 14:23:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20403 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:23:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11098; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:22:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10947; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10934; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (130.17.4.254 -> samsara.csustan.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:22:42 -0400 Received: (from steven@localhost) by samsara.csustan.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA23501 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:23:22 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.4 on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <001601bf9ccb$db158ce0$0200a8c0@tp600e> Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 19:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Steven Filling Sender: steven@samsara.csustan.edu From: Steven Filling To: TP List Subject: Re: EZServe, Then & Now (Was: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPa List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA20404 On 02-Apr-2000 James extemporized: > I agree. I bought TP for work and personal use not because I wanted >to save $$. I bought it because for it's unique quality, which is not >found in Dell, Gateway, Compaq or any other manufacturer. > Ditto! I've got 701, 560, 390, 600, and 240 systems and also specify tps for family and colleagues at my university because I _need_ service and quality I can depend on. cheers S. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Steven Filling Date: 02-Apr-2000 Time: 19:19:44 ---------------------------------- From cph Sun Apr 2 14:33:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20462 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:33:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11613; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:32:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11505; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11492; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.112 -> pilot012.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:32:40 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm659-14.dialip.mich.net [198.110.17.120]) by pilot012.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA76626 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:32:35 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000402140933.00d0d2d0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 14:31:57 -0500 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: i Series horror stories? In-Reply-To: <000801bf9cd1$454dfca0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> References: <4.3.1.0.20000401143130.00d01b90@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: In the discussion of EZServe lately, I've seen at least two comments about the i Series machines being of bad quality, etc. I'd like to know a little more about where these comments are coming from. Back last year when I had some money to spend on a laptop, I chose a 1451i as it fit in my price range, but only after looking at other models out there, and talking to others who had them. I also listened in on newsgroups, and while hearing some complaints about them, I heard fewer complaints about i Series machines than most other brands. Given my experience with two of them, I don't think they are substandard in any way, and this is coming from someone with as much of a hardware background as software. I've had this 1451i in use every day, and only now have I developed this "pink screen" problem--which I note has appeared in other ThinkPads besides the i Series. So this unit I'm on has been perfect 'till lately. My 1480i, which came with a loose screw and had three trips to EZServe to resolve was more interesting. Unfortunately, after fixing the problem that the loose screw caused (a zapped DC/DC converter) they caused the modem to stop working because the new converter was faulty, that replacement was faulty and only on trip #3 was all in working order. The initial loose screw was definitely a manufacturing defect, but the longer story was caused by EZServes apparent speed-before-accuracy policy about repairs, coupled with a batch of faulty DC/DC converters. You can't fault a specific machine for that one. So where are people getting their opinions that the i series are so bad? I maintain about 75+ computers now, with Dell, IBM, Toshiba and Sony laptops. I internally chuckled as I was honestly able to favorably compare my 1451i against several new laptops costing $1000+ more. Things like the construction of the phone jack, the hinge assembly and quality of keyboard come to mind. From my perspective, the problems with IBM's ThinkPads stem from the organization and how its run, more than specific models. I think that the problems with i Series machines usually come from a problem in their original manufacturing, and not in the design of the machines themselves. I've seen recent examples of 600's and 770 types not being built right, either lately--which adds to my feelings that IBM has more and more of a manufacturing problem these days. Anyway, comments welcome. If someone asked me if I'd buy a ThinkPad i Series machine again, I'd still say yes, and will do so until/unless problems with EZServe get worse. --STeve Andre' At 01:28 PM 4/2/00 -0500, Mark Lemon wrote: >Folks, > >Just as an aside, I have a 2 yr. old TP600 that is also intermittently >experiencing "pink screen". From the posts, it sounds as if this can >be traced to a bad connection on the LCD ribbon cable. > >Is there anyone lurking here that can change this from "demand to talk >to the supervisor" at EZServe to "Oh yeah, we'll take care of that one"? > >I'm not just talking about myself - I'm talking about the dozens of us >that will potentially experience this problem over the next few years >(by the end of your warrantee, the fix may cost more than the laptop >will be worth). I'm also NOT talking about boycotts or lawsuits - >hopefully something much more positive. > >Any win-win suggestions? > >More to the point, is there anyone out there lurking that understands that >this group represents the "parakeet in the mineshaft" for the TP reputation? >I personally have not only purchased 3 Thinkpads, but I've also recommended >them to dozens of clients and co-workers. In the last 3 months, it was >with great regret that I decided to change company purchasing from TP's back >to the Dell Latitude line. IBM lost 4 sales in Y2K as a result. This >group's discussion of service in large part forced me to that decision. > >I'm sure that some of you are facing similar decisions. > >Anyone remember Black & Decker? As I recall, they took a once excellent >reputation and squandered it by putting cheap power tools into K-Mart, etc. >If you purchased one, please don't take this as offense, but I saw the >introduction of the i-Series as a similar move by IBM. > >I'm concerned that by lack of leadership, IBM may ultimately do the same >to the ThinkPad name. We didn't buy TPs because they were cheap - we >bought them because they were the best. Is there any one lurking who cares >or has the ear of someone who can do something about this? > >My $.02 > >Mark > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] > > Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 1:42 PM > > To: TP List > > Subject: Re: EZServe, Then & Now (Was: Fascinating article on IBM > > ThinkPad Repair Service) From cph Sun Apr 2 15:18:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA20617 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:18:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13707; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:17:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13573; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wellington.cnchost.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13557; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wellington.cnchost.com (207.155.252.14 -> wellington.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:17:49 -0400 Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by wellington.cnchost.com id PAA13752; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:17:46 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.8] Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000402115747.00a9c100@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 12:16:21 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000402140933.00d0d2d0@pilot.msu.edu> References: <000801bf9cd1$454dfca0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> <4.3.1.0.20000401143130.00d01b90@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 02:31 PM 04/02/2000 -0500, you wrote: >In the discussion of EZServe lately, I've seen at least two comments about the >i Series machines being of bad quality, etc. I'd like to know a little >more about >where these comments are coming from. > >Back last year when I had some money to spend on a laptop, I chose a >1451i as it fit in my price range, but only after looking at other models out >there, and talking to others who had them. I also listened in on newsgroups, >and while hearing some complaints about them, I heard fewer complaints >about i Series machines than most other brands. > >Given my experience with two of them, I don't think they are substandard in >any way, and this is coming from someone with as much of a hardware background >So where are people getting their opinions that the i series are so >bad? I maintain >about 75+ computers now, with Dell, IBM, Toshiba and Sony laptops. I >internally >chuckled as I was honestly able to favorably compare my 1451i against several >new laptops costing $1000+ more. Things like the construction of the >phone jack, >the hinge assembly and quality of keyboard come to mind. Someone earlier described the i-series as being like a Toyota, with the higher-end laptops being like a Lexxus. If that analogy is to hold, I'm guessing that perhaps the i-series, compared to other relatively "regular" laptops, compares pretty favorably. Like a Toyota compares to a Yugo. I've seen and played with the i-series, and have been tremendously underwhelmed by them. Are they functional? Sure--but so are a lot of no-name brand laptops (and branded ones, but which are somewhat lesser...like AST's). But there's no question that they just don't look as nice, feel as nice, or much of anything else as nice as the better ThinkPads. For one thing, the i's feel "cheap"--the cheesy thin plastic casing is really disturbing. And its friggin' *huge*, for apparently no reason (at least when the 770 was huge, it was because it packed lots of functionality in there). I think what people object to is that IBM is watering-down their ThinkPad brand name with the i-series--that is, the "i's" aren't really "worthy" of being called a ThinkPad. Its like Mercedes coming out with a $10,000 economy car. They just wouldn't do it--at least if they did, they wouldn't give it the Mercedes brand name. "ThinkPad" was a premium line name--and it was well-deserved. Somewhere along the road, IBM seems to have forgotten that. From cph Sun Apr 2 15:27:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA20671 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:27:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14522; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:26:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14355; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14342; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:26:50 -0400 Received: from Hades ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA16350 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: Subject: RE: i Series horror stories? Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:26:06 -0500 Message-ID: <000101bf9ce1$adc66be0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000402140933.00d0d2d0@pilot.msu.edu> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Steve, My comment was not to imply that the i-Series was of a fundamentally lesser quality that the rest of the TP line, only that IBM made a business decision to offer a new line of lower priced TPs via the mass-marketing channels, and to sell them based on the reputation of the ThinkPad name. Go to the Thinkpad's sales page. http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=203572 4&cgmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US It says... "ThinkPad: There's a reason everyone wants one. It's not about the awards they've won, or how cool they are. It's about how hard they work for you...anywhere." IBM then lists "value" (I read price) as a main selling point on 3 of the 6 TPs on the page. How does that old adage in business go? "Low price, quality, or service - choose any 2 of the 3." Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] > Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 1:32 PM > To: tp750@cs.utk.edu > Subject: i Series horror stories? > > > In the discussion of EZServe lately, I've seen at least two > comments about the > i Series machines being of bad quality, etc. I'd like to > know a little > more about > where these comments are coming from. > From cph Sun Apr 2 15:28:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA20676 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:28:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14747; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:28:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14635; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14606; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:28:00 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.95]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000402192758.PLMW21015.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:27:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01bf9cd9$75db3600$5f0e4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: i series Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:23:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. True, the thinkpads are really good machines. And, yes there are problems with all computers, after all, if we knew we could purchase a "perfect" anything, we would not look for a warranty. The issue is, IBM can do better, and has in the past. From cph Sun Apr 2 15:32:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA20694 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:32:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15291; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:32:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15155; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15142; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 15:32:11 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.95]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000402193209.PMKL21015.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 19:32:09 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01bf9cda$0bc310c0$5f0e4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: i Series Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:31:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. I agree, perhaps the i Series could have been called 'value point',or perhaps even P/S note. I think that " Thinkpad " should be thought in line with " Cadillac", after all, is not a Geo a GM car?. From cph Sun Apr 2 16:11:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA20804 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 16:11:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17130; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 16:11:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 16:10:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17008; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 16:10:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16995; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 16:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 16:10:43 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.229] (helo=139-142-112-229.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 12bqhl-00010D-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 02 Apr 2000 13:10:42 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EZServe, Then & Now Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 12:53:38 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <000801bf9cd1$454dfca0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> <001601bf9ccb$db158ce0$0200a8c0@tp600e> Lines: 34 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: IBM also pull drivers and docs off the net. There are no docs or drivers for the 701-to-Dock II adaptor, for example. The documentation for drivers is often woefully inadequate. For example, some drivers and their docs were apparently written in the days of DOS. Even though the web site often shows that the docs were updated a month ago, they often neglect to state which operating system the driver is intended for or, to put it another way, they neglect to tell you that the device requires no drivers when run under Win95. Drivers are often hard to find at IBM's website, too. The organization of IBM's website, and its forums, are nothing to brag about, either. In article <001601bf9ccb$db158ce0$0200a8c0@tp600e>, "James" wrote: >Where I work, we have Gateways, Dells as well as Thinkpads. The 600s and >770s are far better than the rest in my opinion. And the drivers for >Thinkpads are frequently updated and easy to find. Dell for instances, the >drivers for their older laptops are difficult to find at times. Once Dell >phase out a particular model, the drivers are hidden in a place where it's >almost impossible to find. Occassionally, the pull it off the net so it >can't even be downloaded. -- cheers Jonathan http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/hecate.htm Roads vs Rocks & Neighbourhoods From cph Sun Apr 2 17:20:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA21189 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 17:20:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20521; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 17:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 17:18:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20268; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 17:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hydrus.spawar.navy.mil (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20246; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 17:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hydrus.spawar.navy.mil (128.49.223.114 -> hydrus.nosc.mil) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Apr 2000 17:18:31 -0400 Received: by hydrus.nosc.mil with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 14:18:29 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Seaman, Derek L." 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  --------------2FA4EA88E303F0A61F5B1618-- From cph Mon Apr 3 00:43:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA23860 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 00:43:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26334; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 00:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 00:42:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26140; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 00:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26126; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 00:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 00:42:02 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id VAA14188 for ; Sun, 2 Apr 2000 21:41:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000402213908.00af3f00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Sun, 02 Apr 2000 21:40:40 -0800 To: From: David Goldman Subject: RE: i Series horror stories? In-Reply-To: <000101bf9ce1$adc66be0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> References: <4.3.1.0.20000402140933.00d0d2d0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:26 PM 4/2/2000 , Mark Lemon wrote: >How does that old adage in business go? "Low price, quality, or >service - choose any 2 of the 3." That's the "retail" version. The "service industry" version goes: Choose any two: * Fast * Cheap * Right -- David Goldman From cph Mon Apr 3 05:25:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA24653 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:25:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16506; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:23:19 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15409; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:23:19 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id FAA18834 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03139; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 03:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 03:07:02 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n202.otenet.gr [212.205.246.202]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11776 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:06:37 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004030706.KAA11776@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 12:17:49 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <001801bf9981$99b6fb00$0200a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Is Memory Just Memory? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id FAA16506 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA24655 On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:20:49 -0500, Jeffrey Baker wrote: >I did the Crucial upgrade on my 770Z, up to 256 MB. Things seem quicker, >and thus far, with substantial hours logged, I'm not getting the customary >screen freezes (W98). My impression from readings had been that 128 MB RAM >was supposed to be plenty for the reasonably low-intensity uses I'm >accustomed to, but my recent experience with the upgrade is beginning to >belie that. Any thoughts? Thanks - Jeff plumbush2@mediaone.net Obviously its because of the crappy Win9x. Considering their bad memory usage. OS/2 Warp4 would run on 64megs without any problem and any need to upgrade to 128megs for the average user. Same for linux. Also if you use OS/2 or Linux in text-mode only, 32megs of ram are more than enough. I know its offtopic but i just had to say it :) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Apr 3 05:25:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA24654 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:25:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16508; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:23:28 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15473; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:23:28 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id FAA18849 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03253; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 03:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 03:07:51 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n202.otenet.gr [212.205.246.202]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14069 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:07:42 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004030707.KAA14069@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 12:52:42 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <006001bf99db$53138920$0a00a8c0@tp770ed> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Is Memory Just Memory? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id FAA16508 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA24657 On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 19:03:05 -0500, R Briganti wrote: >> Keep in mind that if you open any two or more of these applications at a >> time and jump between them (task-switching), or even have two or more >> actively working at a time (multitasking), you'll accentuate the need for >> more memory. >So, if all you do is run one program, then having a lot of memory is not >that important. But if you use the machine for multitasking several >programs, then more memory than they recommend is better. Also remember that each Java program that you load runs on its own JVM (JavaVirtualMachine), and unless you modified the default settings, each JVM will use 8megs of heap space plus 5-10 megs for the JVM. All that PER APPLICATION. That a lot of memory. Memory consumption is one of the big problems with Java, another problem is the speed of the interpreter while the java binary is been read and the java interface which is very basic and doesn't help with multimedia applications. So if you can find an application in native and in java form, i'd suggest you use the native one to your operating system. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Apr 3 05:25:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA24661 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:25:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16502; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:23:42 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15548; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:23:42 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id FAA18879 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03219; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 03:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 03:07:40 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n202.otenet.gr [212.205.246.202]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA13528 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:07:24 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004030707.KAA13528@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 12:38:34 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Is Memory Just Memory? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id FAA16502 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA24663 On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:01:18 -1000 (HST), Vincent Poy wrote: > I run lots of apps under W98 and I did the Crucial upgrade on my >770Z with the 128 meg upgrade twice. The first one putting it up to 256MB >helped a little and was a NEC Module. The second time, it was a Micron >module. I wonder if there is any performance differences between the two >since the second time even after going to 320 MB's, it didn't seem to make >a difference. Its true that things may be faster on a system with more memory, for example >from 32 to 64 or 64 to 128. But higher than 128 or 256 will depend on your applications. Remember that more memory doesn't mean the computer will read or calculate data any faster. It just has more memory to store things temporarily. More memory in reality means more applications can run at the same time, or applications that require huge amounts of memory will run without swapping. The difference of speed comes from eliminating swapping when you add more memory. On systems with 128megs of ram, the average user shouldn't even need to swap! My 600E with 64megs of ram with OS/2 doesn't use swap memory unless i load lots of server applications and do heavy internet stuff. When i use it for normal applications memory usage doesn't exceed 45 megs. And it shouldn't. A DB2 server serving a T1 with a few million transactions shouldn't need more than 160megs of ram. Ofcourse considering you are using OS/2 or Linux... ;> þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Apr 3 05:25:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA24662 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:25:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16499; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:23:38 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15503; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:23:37 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id FAA18864 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03163; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 03:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 03:07:20 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n202.otenet.gr [212.205.246.202]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA12628 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:06:59 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004030706.KAA12628@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 12:30:15 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: ThinkPad CD-ROM Drive Speed? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id FAA16499 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA24665 On 29 Mar 00 10:47:17 CST, Rob Bell wrote: >Have any of you checked the actual speed of your ThinkPad CD-ROM drive (or >DVD)? I just ran a check with a tool called CD-ROM Drive Analyzer v2.1.1, >available from ZDNet. It reported that the 24x CD drive on my 770 was running >at exactly 12x transfer rate (on a standard software installation CD, not a >CD-R or audio CD). This surprised me. Remember that the speeds marked on cdroms are just the MAX speed using a specific cd. What i mean is that a CD filled with 600megs will give you a different speed rate than a 50meg CD. The speed varies on the 'place' that the laser is reading, so higher speeds will be reached if the laser reads closer to the 'edge' of the CD and slower to the 'hole'. Another thing is the slin-up delay, which many programs may interpret it as a delay of the CD to read. Its because very fast cdroms need a bit more time to reach max speed. So in the end a 20x speed cdrom may be faster than a 50x when it comes to read in bursts and the cdrom has alread spinned-down. You should tolerate cdroms at about half the reported speed. Although most of them don't even reach that much. Typical marketing stuff. There are other details on this but i'll stop here since i'm out of topic :) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Apr 3 05:25:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA24668 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:25:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16528; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:23:03 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15369; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:23:03 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id FAA18819 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03325; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 03:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 03:08:03 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n202.otenet.gr [212.205.246.202]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA14464 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:07:54 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004030707.KAA14464@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 12:57:43 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <38E30030.FBED045A@gate.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: BEWARE EGGHEAD List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id FAA16528 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA24669 On Thu, 30 Mar 2000 02:20:16 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote: >Ihave ordered merchandise from egghead.. >even if the merchandise is not available to ship, they have charged my amex >card, holding over $1000 for about 6 weeks until they admitted they had no >product to ship.. >repeat THAT several thousand times a day and you don't NEED to sell anything, >just make overnight interest on that cash for 6 weeks..! I've seen that happen twice more with some UK resellers. Maybe its common practice to withhold money for some time. My friends had to get written bank statements that the money had been withdrawn and it still took then about two months to get their money back. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Apr 3 05:26:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA24672 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:26:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16531; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:22:55 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA15347; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:22:54 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id FAA18804 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03527; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 03:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 03:09:44 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n202.otenet.gr [212.205.246.202]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA17869; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:09:31 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004030709.KAA17869@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "os2uk" , "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 01 Apr 2000 22:22:02 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: OS/2 suspend? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id FAA16531 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA24673 Is there a way to stop OS/2 from going into suspend when i close the LCD of my Thinkpad 600E? there is an option like that in windoze, and i'd like to do that in OS/2. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Apr 3 05:37:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA24699 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:37:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18204; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:37:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18104; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18081; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (208.203.130.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:37:22 -0400 Received: from xpool38.acunet.net (xpool38.acunet.net [208.208.7.38]) by acunet.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id FAA08182 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004030937.FAA08182@acunet.net> From: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 05:35:04 -0500 Reply-To: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS/2 suspend? List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 01 Apr 2000 22:22:02 -0500 (GMT), sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >Is there a way to stop OS/2 from going into suspend when i close the LCD >of my Thinkpad 600E? >there is an option like that in windoze, and i'd like to do that in OS/2. You do have the OS/2 Thinkpad configuration program installed on your 660E correct? If it's similar to the configuration program I have for my 770 you'll find the option under Power management | Hibernation. Among the Suspend/Hibernation options is "Will not suspend even if LCD is closed". 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Mon Apr 3 05:40:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA24711 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:40:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18923; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:40:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18833; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18819; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (194.164.19.39 -> bradnet.legend.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 05:40:17 -0400 Received: by bradnet.legend.co.uk (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id KAA135.76; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:40:13 +0100 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:40:12 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Is Memory Just Memory? Message-ID: <20000403103026.M6987@bradnet.legend.co.uk> References: <200004030707.KAA13528@athserv.otenet.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: <200004030707.KAA13528@athserv.otenet.gr>; from sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. on Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 12:38:34PM -0500 X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id FAA18923 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA24712 On Sat, Apr 01, 2000 at 12:38:34PM -0500, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 09:01:18 -1000 (HST), Vincent Poy wrote: > > > I run lots of apps under W98 and I did the Crucial upgrade on my > >770Z with the 128 meg upgrade twice. The first one putting it up to 256MB > >helped a little and was a NEC Module. The second time, it was a Micron > >module. I wonder if there is any performance differences between the two > >since the second time even after going to 320 MB's, it didn't seem to make > >a difference. > > Its true that things may be faster on a system with more memory, for example > from 32 to 64 or 64 to 128. But higher than 128 or 256 will depend on your applications. If you have 250MB of RAM I would expect the system would get a considerable boost if you used HPFS386 with a 150MB cache, especially for doing stuff like compilations of source code. > Remember that more memory doesn't mean the computer will read or calculate > data any faster. It just has more memory to store things temporarily. > > More memory in reality means more applications can run at the same time, or > applications that require huge amounts of memory will run without swapping. > > The difference of speed comes from eliminating swapping when you add more > memory. On systems with 128megs of ram, the average user shouldn't even > need to swap! > > My 600E with 64megs of ram with OS/2 doesn't use swap memory unless i load > lots of server applications and do heavy internet stuff. When i use it for normal > applications memory usage doesn't exceed 45 megs. And it shouldn't. > > A DB2 server serving a T1 with a few million transactions shouldn't need more > than 160megs of ram. > > Ofcourse considering you are using OS/2 or Linux... ;> > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > -- John From cph Mon Apr 3 09:14:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA25578 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:14:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29656; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:08:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29237; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29224; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:08:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA06755; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:08:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:08:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Carl Agren cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: UNSUBSCRIBE In-Reply-To: <20000403093933.1334.qmail@web4003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Carl Agren wrote: > UNSUBSCRIBE List-Unsubscribe: mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Have a nice day, Bruce Komar From cph Mon Apr 3 09:52:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA25859 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:52:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02463; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:50:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02288; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.internal (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02274; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.internal (209.166.154.244 -> isdn244.vocollect.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:50:36 -0400 Received: from brianb (brianb.internal [172.31.6.12]) by mail.internal (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA08614 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:46:20 -0400 From: "Brian Bender" To: "Thinkpads list \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 09:50:29 -0400 Message-ID: <006701bf9d73$930680a0$0c061fac@brianb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000331221253.02ff28b0@pop3.iceka1.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > How many places will call you up after a repair is > done--under > warranty--and tell you that you owe an exorbitant bill and > that they plan > to hold you machine hostage until you pay up? *ding* Had that one. >:-\ I wasn't gonna spam the list with this, but since we're back on the topic again, here's a copy of a message I sent Bill last week: ----- Forwarded Message ----- Hi Bill, Didn't know whether to post this in the open forum or not (I chose not, but feel free to copy this there if you think it'll interest others). I just went yet _another_ round with EZServ. After initially trying to bill me almost $900 for the repair of a failed system board (you've already heard that story) and being straightened out by someone back inside IBM's Thinkpad group, I just got a bill on my CC over a month later (tell me that's not an unauthorized charge to my card!) for that same almost $900. Boy was I mad. I bet I spent the better part of 2 days on the phone, talking to at least 5 different people, before finally getting connected with someone up in Ontario who promised to get it straightened out. To her credit, she did, my card has been credited, but I'm really saddened by the racket EZServ is running. I'm sure they're making a ton of money off of people who are rightfully entitled to warranty service (the freaking system board failed 15 months into a 3 yr. warranty, and they tried to bill me for almost 25% of what the machine originally cost!) but aren't aware of the situation enough to pursue it to the resolution they should've had in the first place. Here's a copy of the note I faxed one of the guys I was talking to, after he told me that service was still telling him that "it _was_ a billable service", and did I have any other supporting information for my case... ================ Forwarded Message ================== Hi , I don't have your phone number, so I figured the quickest way to get a message to you is your FAX number. I have a couple of questions (you caught me three levels deep in train of thought on the phone, sorry ). The service guys are trying to claim that this is a billable repair, correct? The 3-year warranty on IBM's flagship notebook computers covers everything but customer abuse, correct? Just how in the heck am I supposed to have "abused" the system board so that it started failing several days before I sent it back, and actually went "up in smoke" when the techs got their hands on it (it was working, but intermittently crashing when it left my hands)? I could almost excuse this situation as a series of honest mistakes if I were evaluating it in a vacuum. But I subscribe to a mailing list and a couple of open forums of Thinkpad owners, and this is a fairly common and pretty disturbing trend we've seen from EasyServ since it was farmed outside of IBM. They try to blame everything on customer abuse, making money off the percentages of people who don't stand up and say "this isn't right". Well darn it, this isn't right. I work for a company that buys somewhere on the order of 15 to 20 Thinkpads a year. This is the fourth Thinkpad _I_ have bought for myself. One of the biggest reasons we buy them is the (previously) outstanding warranty coverage >from IBM. A three year warranty that gives me the privilege of paying almost $900 when a major component fails (not through any abuse -- my notebooks are treated like they're made of glass) isn't exactly something to write home about. Call the IBM service line (800-772-2227). Choose 3 (PCs), 2 (Thinkpads), and get ahold of (I believe she's out of town today, though). Ask her to pull incident number . I basically went through this whole story with her the first time EasyServ tried to bill me for this warranty repair, and she assured me it was going to be repaired free of charge, THE WAY IT SHOULD BE!!! What additional information can I give you? I still haven't heard either a) why it's not covered if I didn't "abuse" it, or b) how I abused it. I'm beginning to get frustrated, and very soon I'm going to get very vocal in several forums where a lot of current and potentially repeat customers frequent. This is not the EasyServ experience I was accustomed to with my previous Thinkpads. :-( ============================ end forwarded message ================== I never heard anything back from him, but I did eventually discover that my card had been credited. Sheesh, what a racket. Later, - Brian Bender TP600, my fourth (and quite possibly last) Thinkpad, PII-300, 224MB RAM, 10GB / 5GB HDD Now dual-booting NT5 and a Slackware 7 dist. of Linux on the 10GB disk (and playing with FreeBSD on the old 5GB disk) ----- End forwarded (to Bill) message ----- From cph Mon Apr 3 10:47:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA26177 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:47:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06246; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:45:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05999; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05985; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:45:48 -0400 Received: from 208-58-211-225.s225.tnt1.lnhdc.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.211.225] helo=tp600) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12c86o-0001Bj-00; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:45:42 -0400 From: "Patrick A. Forte" To: "Thinkpad List" , "Randal Whittle" Subject: RE: i Series horror stories? More Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:47:03 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000402115747.00a9c100@pop3.iceka1.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: EZServe attempted to charge me $700+ to replace a broken modem on my in-warrenty 600E. Nice. BIG problem resolving the charge. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@iceka1.com] Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 3:16 PM To: TP List Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? At 02:31 PM 04/02/2000 -0500, you wrote: >In the discussion of EZServe lately, I've seen at least two comments about the >i Series machines being of bad quality, etc. I'd like to know a little >more about >where these comments are coming from. > >Back last year when I had some money to spend on a laptop, I chose a >1451i as it fit in my price range, but only after looking at other models out >there, and talking to others who had them. I also listened in on newsgroups, >and while hearing some complaints about them, I heard fewer complaints >about i Series machines than most other brands. > >Given my experience with two of them, I don't think they are substandard in >any way, and this is coming from someone with as much of a hardware background >So where are people getting their opinions that the i series are so >bad? I maintain >about 75+ computers now, with Dell, IBM, Toshiba and Sony laptops. I >internally >chuckled as I was honestly able to favorably compare my 1451i against several >new laptops costing $1000+ more. Things like the construction of the >phone jack, >the hinge assembly and quality of keyboard come to mind. Someone earlier described the i-series as being like a Toyota, with the higher-end laptops being like a Lexxus. If that analogy is to hold, I'm guessing that perhaps the i-series, compared to other relatively "regular" laptops, compares pretty favorably. Like a Toyota compares to a Yugo. I've seen and played with the i-series, and have been tremendously underwhelmed by them. Are they functional? Sure--but so are a lot of no-name brand laptops (and branded ones, but which are somewhat lesser...like AST's). But there's no question that they just don't look as nice, feel as nice, or much of anything else as nice as the better ThinkPads. For one thing, the i's feel "cheap"--the cheesy thin plastic casing is really disturbing. And its friggin' *huge*, for apparently no reason (at least when the 770 was huge, it was because it packed lots of functionality in there). I think what people object to is that IBM is watering-down their ThinkPad brand name with the i-series--that is, the "i's" aren't really "worthy" of being called a ThinkPad. Its like Mercedes coming out with a $10,000 economy car. They just wouldn't do it--at least if they did, they wouldn't give it the Mercedes brand name. "ThinkPad" was a premium line name--and it was well-deserved. Somewhere along the road, IBM seems to have forgotten that. From cph Mon Apr 3 13:03:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27195 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:02:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17455; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:59:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17095; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17080; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:59:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:59:39 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a209.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.210]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA00189 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004031659.MAA00189@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a209.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.210] 209.198.113.210 Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:15:13 -0400 To: "thinkpad" In-Reply-To: <200004030706.KAA11776@athserv.otenet.gr> Subject: RE: Is Memory Just Memory? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 List-Unsubscribe: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." said: >On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:20:49 -0500, Jeffrey Baker wrote: >>I did the Crucial upgrade on my 770Z, up to 256 MB. Things seem quicker, >>and thus far, with substantial hours logged, I'm not getting the customary >>screen freezes (W98). My impression from readings had been that 128 MB RAM >>was supposed to be plenty for the reasonably low-intensity uses I'm >>accustomed to, but my recent experience with the upgrade is beginning to >>belie that. Any thoughts? Thanks - Jeff plumbush2@mediaone.net >Obviously its because of the crappy Win9x. Considering their bad memory >usage. >OS/2 Warp4 would run on 64megs without any problem and any need to upgrade to >128megs for the average user. Same for linux. True most of the time. I saw quite a bit of disk thrashing with VTD and 64 megs, so there an exception. _____________ Ed Letourneau From cph Mon Apr 3 16:06:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA28806 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:06:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03419; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:04:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03092; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03072; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:03:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:03:57 -0400 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.50) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 3 Apr 2000 16:00:45 -0400 Message-ID: <009301bf9da8$b7ce9960$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Compact flash adaptors and power... Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:10:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Hi there, I'm just curious if compact-flash adaptors(such as SanDisk) require any power from the PCMCIA socket when there is no media in the card. Since I only have this one 760ED, I'm probably just going to keep it in and not bother taking it out. My battery on my 760 is pretty depleated, so I try to conserve as much power as possible. Thanks! -Jamie ---------------------------------------- Those who know don't say, Those who say don't know. From cph Mon Apr 3 16:36:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA29001 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:36:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05860; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:35:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05748; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05733; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:35:22 -0400 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp-171-69-70-161.cisco.com [171.69.70.161]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.8.8+Sun/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id NAA28730 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:35:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38E9003A.8AFC5127@ricochet.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:34:02 -0700 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: how to rebuild a 770 Li-Ion battery pack? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well, some ebay bargains just aren't.. I'm now the proud owner of a totally dead 770 battery pack. My machine won't charge it -- tries for a few moments and then gives up. Is it worth $279.00 of my time to tear this thing apart and drop new cells into it? If so, could someone please give me a URL to a web site that tells me how IBM put this pack together so I can open it up without destroying it? thanks in advance andy From cph Mon Apr 3 17:03:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA29229 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:03:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08235; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:02:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08127; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08114; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:02:09 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.217] (helo=139-142-112-217.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 12cDz4-0001aE-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 14:02:07 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Compact flash adaptors and power... Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 13:51:06 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <009301bf9da8$b7ce9960$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> Lines: 32 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I have a Kodak Picture Card Adaptor and 32 Meg card. I find that to take the 32 Meg card out of the adaptor, I have to remove the adaptor from my 701. Then you propose to put the adaptor back in the TP, empty? Sorry, I don't know the answer to your question. However, since these adaptors cost only a few $, there must be no electronics inside them, so I doubt they would draw any power. Whether an empty card might confuse Windows is another question. The setup works quite well, incidentally. Instantly recognized by Win95a. Takes about 0.5 seconds per pic to download to the hard disk. If I have a few small, critical files, I can back them up to the memory card without jeopardizing the photo-taking capabilities, much. In article <009301bf9da8$b7ce9960$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET>, "Slip" wrote: >Hi there, > I'm just curious if compact-flash adaptors(such as SanDisk) require any >power from the PCMCIA socket when there is no media in the card. Since I >only have this one 760ED, I'm probably just going to keep it in and not >bother taking it out. My battery on my 760 is pretty depleated, so I try to >conserve as much power as possible. > -- cheers Jonathan http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/hecate.htm Roads vs Rocks & Neighbourhoods From cph Mon Apr 3 17:28:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA29485 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:28:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10188; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:25:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10019; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from explorer.csc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10006; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from explorer.csc.com (20.1.10.27 -> explorer.csc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:25:44 -0400 Received: from rbell1.min.csi.csc.com ([20.8.30.233] helo=csc.com) by explorer.csc.com with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 12cELu-0002R3-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:25:42 -0400 Message-ID: <38E90CAF.4538129B@csc.com> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:27:11 -0500 From: Rob Bell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad CD-ROM Drive Speed? References: <200004030706.KAA12628@athserv.otenet.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the reply. I do have a few comments, though. "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." wrote: > > On 29 Mar 00 10:47:17 CST, Rob Bell wrote: > > >Have any of you checked the actual speed of your ThinkPad CD-ROM drive (or > >DVD)? I just ran a check with a tool called CD-ROM Drive Analyzer v2.1.1, > >available from ZDNet. It reported that the 24x CD drive on my 770 was running > >at exactly 12x transfer rate (on a standard software installation CD, not a > >CD-R or audio CD). This surprised me. > > Remember that the speeds marked on cdroms are just the MAX speed using a > specific cd. What i mean is that a CD filled with 600megs will give you a different > speed rate than a 50meg CD. The speed varies on the 'place' that the laser is reading, > so higher speeds will be reached if the laser reads closer to the 'edge' of the CD and > slower to the 'hole'. Yes, I understand that. However, the program I used tested block-read speeds across the whole disk (which was almost full, at 560MB). Reading the inner sections was slower than 12X, but the max speed was reached by about the middle, and then it stayed constant across the rest of the disk (at 12X). > Another thing is the spin-up delay, which many programs may interpret it as a delay > of the CD to read. Its because very fast cdroms need a bit more time to reach max > speed. So in the end a 20x speed cdrom may be faster than a 50x when it comes > to read in bursts and the cdrom has alread spinned-down. Not an issue with the type of test that this software did. > You should tolerate cdroms at about half the reported speed. Although most > of them don't even reach that much. Typical marketing stuff. Unacceptable. If it's rated at 24X (max) then at some point reading a full disk it should approach that speed (for a factory stamped data CD). The X rating specifies a certain amount of data that can be read per second (150K/s = 1X, I believe). If the unit can't produce at that speed under some circumstances then it shouldn't be rated as such. I know this happens in a similar way with hard drives (marketing says 40GB meaning 40,000,000,000 bytes instead of 42,9xx,xxx,xxx), but if they really gave you 20GB instead of 40GB you'd send it back. 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------_=_NextPart_001_01BF9DB3.89EDDDFC-- From cph Mon Apr 3 17:57:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA29819 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:57:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13010; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:55:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12905; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.goldengate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12892; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:55:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from main.goldengate.net (206.8.8.3 -> main.goldengate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:55:34 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (bigdog-160-107.goldengate.net [216.250.160.107]) by main.goldengate.net (8.8.7/8.7.2) with SMTP id QAA15590 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 16:55:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004032155.QAA15590@main.goldengate.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 15:54:12 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755cd NT4 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.52 b52 List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I have a 755cd that the floppy drive or the cd drive may be installed but not both. I got a 1 gig HD with bare DOS 5.0 on it and would like to install a OEM version of NT 4.0. The OEM version of NT comes with 3 floppy's, a cd and a second cd with 3.0 service pack. How do I install this OS without being able to have both drives in? Thank's in advance for the insight!!! Brian Skunberg -- ----------------------------------------------------------- skunberg@goldengate.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Apr 3 18:14:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA29973 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:14:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14612; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:13:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14534; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.goldengate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14521; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:13:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from main.goldengate.net (206.8.8.3 -> main.goldengate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:13:52 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (bigdog-160-107.goldengate.net [216.250.160.107]) by main.goldengate.net (8.8.7/8.7.2) with SMTP id RAA18144 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:13:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004032213.RAA18144@main.goldengate.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:11:09 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755cd NT4 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.52 b52 List-Unsubscribe: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The following message is forwarded to you by skunberg@goldengate.net (listed as the From user of this message). The original sender (see the header, below) was Andrew Scott Beals and has been set as the "Reply-To" field of this message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Subject: Re: 755cd NT4 Don't you have an external floppy connector on the back of your unit? [many thinkpads do, that's why I'm asking] skunberg@goldengate.net wrote: > Hi, I have a 755cd that the floppy drive or the cd drive may be > installed but not both. I got a 1 gig HD with bare DOS 5.0 on it and would > like to install a OEM version of NT 4.0. The OEM version of NT comes with > 3 floppy's, a cd and a second cd with 3.0 service pack. How do I install > this OS without being able to have both drives in? Thank's in advance > for the insight!!! > Brian Skunberg > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > skunberg@goldengate.net > ----------------------------------------------------------- From right to left I have power, serial, printer, monitor, docking port with a unknown port (kinda looks like a USB) and a infared port. If the unknown port is for a external floppy, can I use the one that swaps out with the cd? ----------------------------------------------------------- skunberg@goldengate.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Apr 3 18:18:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA30005 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:18:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15264; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:18:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15177; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15164; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:18:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (jeffj1@localhost) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e33MI3B10558; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:18:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 17:18:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Jackowski To: Slip cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Compact flash adaptors and power... In-Reply-To: <009301bf9da8$b7ce9960$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Slip wrote: > Hi there, > I'm just curious if compact-flash adaptors(such as SanDisk) require any > power from the PCMCIA socket when there is no media in the card. Since I > only have this one 760ED, I'm probably just going to keep it in and not > bother taking it out. My battery on my 760 is pretty depleated, so I try to > conserve as much power as possible. If you've got the PCMCIA/PC card software for the ThinkPad (I don't know what the Windows version is called) then you should be able to turn off a specific card without removing it. I know the OS/2 software does this, so I'd be surprised if no Windows software will do it. Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph Mon Apr 3 18:48:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA30188 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:48:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17085; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:44:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16797; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16786; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:44:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-d07.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.39 -> imo-d07.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:44:33 -0400 Received: from AlanCDane@aol.com by imo-d07.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id o.9a.30796a9 (3976) for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9a.30796a9.261a78c4@aol.com> Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:44:20 EDT Subject: unsubscribe To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 56 List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph Mon Apr 3 18:49:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA30196 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:49:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17436; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:49:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17324; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grove.iup.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17288; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grove.iup.edu (144.80.128.6 -> maple.grove.iup.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:48:52 -0400 Received: from grove.iup.edu by grove.iup.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #30978) id <01JNT59VBJ2O8Y4X3F@grove.iup.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:48:42 EDT Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 18:46:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark J Strawcutter Subject: Re: 755cd NT4 In-reply-to: "Your message dated Mon, 03 Apr 2000 16:11:09 -0400" <200004032213.RAA18144@main.goldengate.net> To: skunberg@goldengate.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01JNT5EKA3VO8Y4X3F@grove.iup.edu> Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: >>Subject: Re: 755cd NT4 ... > From right to left I have power, serial, printer, monitor, docking port >with a unknown port (kinda looks like a USB) and a infared port. If the >unknown port is for a external floppy, can I use the one that swaps out >with the cd? I think that unknown port is joystick/midi ---------- Mark J Strawcutter Email: mjstraw@grove.iup.edu Technology Services Center Voice: (724) 357-4007 Indiana University of Pennsylvania From cph Mon Apr 3 18:56:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA30247 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:56:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18109; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:55:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18032; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18017; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:55:48 -0400 Received: from denhall (tc8-27.ismi.net [207.51.197.132]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id SAA23551; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 18:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008b01bf9dc9$2187d2c0$84c533cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: , Subject: Re: 755cd NT4 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:02:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: You need the external floppy kit for the 755. I usually have these available, but just sold my last one... will be replenishing within two weeks hopefully. You insert your existing floppy drive into the external case kit and plug into rear port on 755. Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan -----Original Message----- From: skunberg@goldengate.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 5:14 PM Subject: Re: 755cd NT4 >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The following message is forwarded to you by skunberg@goldengate.net >(listed as the From user of this message). The original sender (see the >header, below) was Andrew Scott Beals and has been >set as the "Reply-To" field of this message. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Subject: Re: 755cd NT4 > >Don't you have an external floppy connector on the back of your unit? >[many thinkpads do, that's why I'm asking] > >skunberg@goldengate.net wrote: > >> Hi, I have a 755cd that the floppy drive or the cd drive may be >> installed but not both. I got a 1 gig HD with bare DOS 5.0 on it and would >> like to install a OEM version of NT 4.0. The OEM version of NT comes with >> 3 floppy's, a cd and a second cd with 3.0 service pack. How do I install >> this OS without being able to have both drives in? Thank's in advance >> for the insight!!! >> Brian Skunberg >> -- >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> skunberg@goldengate.net >> ----------------------------------------------------------- > > From right to left I have power, serial, printer, monitor, docking port >with a unknown port (kinda looks like a USB) and a infared port. If the >unknown port is for a external floppy, can I use the one that swaps out >with the cd? > >----------------------------------------------------------- >skunberg@goldengate.net >----------------------------------------------------------- > > From cph Mon Apr 3 19:10:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA30361 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:10:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19313; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:09:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19206; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19193; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:09:47 -0400 Received: from denhall (tc8-27.ismi.net [207.51.197.132]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id TAA28184; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <009a01bf9dcb$165bcc60$84c533cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: , Subject: Re: 755cd NT4 Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:16:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Again, Brian... I forgot to clarify that you need either a docking station or the External port replicator to plug in the external floppy case. The plug that you see over the docking station port is the MIDI/Joystick port... Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan 810.229.2881 -----Original Message----- From: skunberg@goldengate.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 5:14 PM Subject: Re: 755cd NT4 >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >The following message is forwarded to you by skunberg@goldengate.net >(listed as the From user of this message). The original sender (see the >header, below) was Andrew Scott Beals and has been >set as the "Reply-To" field of this message. >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Subject: Re: 755cd NT4 > >Don't you have an external floppy connector on the back of your unit? >[many thinkpads do, that's why I'm asking] > >skunberg@goldengate.net wrote: > >> Hi, I have a 755cd that the floppy drive or the cd drive may be >> installed but not both. I got a 1 gig HD with bare DOS 5.0 on it and would >> like to install a OEM version of NT 4.0. The OEM version of NT comes with >> 3 floppy's, a cd and a second cd with 3.0 service pack. How do I install >> this OS without being able to have both drives in? Thank's in advance >> for the insight!!! >> Brian Skunberg >> -- >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> skunberg@goldengate.net >> ----------------------------------------------------------- > > From right to left I have power, serial, printer, monitor, docking port >with a unknown port (kinda looks like a USB) and a infared port. If the >unknown port is for a external floppy, can I use the one that swaps out >with the cd? > >----------------------------------------------------------- >skunberg@goldengate.net >----------------------------------------------------------- > > From cph Mon Apr 3 19:12:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA30374 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:12:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19572; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:11:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19491; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0c.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19457; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0c.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.32 -> www0c.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:11:27 -0400 Received: (qmail 21539 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Apr 2000 23:08:01 -0000 Message-ID: <20000403230801.21538.qmail@www0c.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.32 by www0c for [24.25.113.177] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Mon Apr 3 23:08:01 GMT 2000 Date: 3 Apr 00 18:08:01 CDT From: Rob Bell To: , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755cd NT4 X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA30375 If your 755 supports booting from the CD, then just instert the NT install CD and boot to it. You won't need floppies. If not... Boot to the current OS and copy the \I386 directory from the NT install CD to the C: drive. Then run the WINNT.EXE program in the c:\I386 directory. I don't think you even need the boot floppies to install this way, but I could be wrong. You may need to start WINNT.EXE with the /B command line switch to tell it to skip floppies (it's been a long time since I've done this). Good luck. Rob wrote: > Hi, I have a 755cd that the floppy drive or the cd drive may be > installed but not both. I got a 1 gig HD with bare DOS 5.0 on it and would > like to install a OEM version of NT 4.0. The OEM version of NT comes with > 3 floppy's, a cd and a second cd with 3.0 service pack. How do I install > this OS without being able to have both drives in? Thank's in advance > for the insight!!! > Brian Skunberg ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Mon Apr 3 19:33:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA30527 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:33:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21591; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:32:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21484; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:32:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from havenap.arl.mil (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21471; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from havenap.arl.mil (131.218.32.239 -> havenap.arl.mil) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:32:29 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad Quality X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 March 21, 2000 Message-ID: From: "Robert Rosen" Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:32:27 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on havenap/arl(Release 5.0.2a |November 23, 1999) at 04/03/2000 07:32:29 PM, Serialize complete at 04/03/2000 07:32:29 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Steve Andre' wrote in part: I've seen recent examples of 600's and 770 types not being built right, either lately--which adds to my feelings that IBM has more and more of a manufacturing problem these days. You may or may not know that IBM has outsourced some of its manufacturing to the large resellers so they can "produce product" on demand. So not all Thinkpads are manufactured by IBM. I wonder how much of the "manufacturing problem" is due to that? ________________________ Robert Rosen Army Research Lab From cph Mon Apr 3 20:42:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA30907 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:42:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25981; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:40:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25781; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.janics.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25754; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.janics.com (206.102.184.12 -> mail.janics.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 20:40:10 -0400 Received: from dellp2u233 [206.102.191.184] by mail.janics.com (SMTPD32-5.04) id AB016C640094; Mon, 03 Apr 2000 19:44:49 -0600 Message-ID: <008301bf9dce$50bab3a0$b0b866ce@dellp2u233> From: "Steve Phipps" To: References: <4.3.1.0.20000401143130.00d01b90@pilot.msu.edu> <4.3.1.0.20000402140933.00d0d2d0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:40:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I've had many older Thinkpads, like the 360 and 701CS, and recently wanted to buy a mainstream laptop for around $1000. I didn't know IBM sold a laptop in this price range and I thought I'd never afford a new Thinkpad, so I about fell over when I saw the Thinkpad 1420i selling new for $1100. Based upon the excellent luck I've had with them, I didn't hesitate a second buying one. Overall I'm satisfied with it for a laptop in the $1000 range, but IMO that's about all it is. Put it up against traditional IBM laptops and you can really tell the quality difference both in performance and workmanship. Also, I wasn't too enthusiastic to hear the day after I bought it new that most of them need new system boards to permanently get rid of the USB whine problem. Steve sphipps@clandjop.com ----- Original Message ----- From: STeve Andre' To: Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 2:31 PM Subject: i Series horror stories? > In the discussion of EZServe lately, I've seen at least two comments about the > i Series machines being of bad quality, etc. I'd like to know a little > more about where these comments are coming from. From cph Mon Apr 3 22:09:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA31336 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:09:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00183; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:07:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29943; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mi8.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29878; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:06:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.mi8.com (63.68.243.13 -> mail.mi8.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:06:48 -0400 Received: from snowmass.leopard.com (unverified) by mail.mi8.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:00:54 -0400 Received: from cs.utk.edu ([128.169.94.1]) by snowmass.leopard.com (Lotus Domino Release 5.0.2a) with ESMTP id 2000040310544165:5843 ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 10:54:41 -0600 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17139; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 13:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:59:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17095; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17080; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:59:39 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a209.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.210]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA00189 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004031659.MAA00189@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a209.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.210] 209.198.113.210 Mon, 3 Apr 2000 12:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:15:13 -0400 To: "thinkpad" In-Reply-To: <200004030706.KAA11776@athserv.otenet.gr> Subject: RE: Is Memory Just Memory? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 X-MIMETrack: Itemize by SMTP Server on snowmass/Leopard(Release 5.0.2a |November 23, 1999) at 04/03/2000 10:54:41 AM, Serialize by Router on snowmass/Leopard(Release 5.0.2a |November 23, 1999) at 04/03/2000 10:57:49 AM, Serialize complete at 04/03/2000 10:57:49 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 List-Unsubscribe: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." said: >On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:20:49 -0500, Jeffrey Baker wrote: >>I did the Crucial upgrade on my 770Z, up to 256 MB. Things seem quicker, >>and thus far, with substantial hours logged, I'm not getting the customary >>screen freezes (W98). My impression from readings had been that 128 MB RAM >>was supposed to be plenty for the reasonably low-intensity uses I'm >>accustomed to, but my recent experience with the upgrade is beginning to >>belie that. Any thoughts? Thanks - Jeff plumbush2@mediaone.net >Obviously its because of the crappy Win9x. Considering their bad memory >usage. >OS/2 Warp4 would run on 64megs without any problem and any need to upgrade to >128megs for the average user. Same for linux. True most of the time. I saw quite a bit of disk thrashing with VTD and 64 megs, so there an exception. _____________ Ed Letourneau From cph Mon Apr 3 22:22:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA31393 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:22:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01172; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:21:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01090; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01076; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:21:38 -0400 Received: from tp1721 (user-33qt8cu.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.161.158]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA27242 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <007d01bf9ddc$6a70b340$9ea1aec7@tp1721> From: "Chuck S." To: "TP List" References: <4.2.0.58.20000402115747.00a9c100@pop3.iceka1.com> Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:20:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randal Whittle" To: "TP List" Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 2:16 PM Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? | | I think what people object to is that IBM is watering-down their | ThinkPad brand name with the i-series--that is, the "i's" aren't really | "worthy" of being called a ThinkPad. Its like Mercedes coming out with a | $10,000 economy car. They just wouldn't do it--at least if they did, they | wouldn't give it the Mercedes brand name. "ThinkPad" was a premium line | name--and it was well-deserved. Somewhere along the road, IBM seems to | have forgotten that. | | This reminds me of 1993, when Chevrolet dropped a slightly de-tuned Corvette engine in a Z28 for half the price of the Vette. Boy, that really pissed-off those Vette owners. As an IBM stockholder, I applaud IBM for competing with the Dell Inspirion. It's a win-win for everyone, especially the consumer. Chuck From cph Mon Apr 3 22:24:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA31399 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:24:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01539; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:23:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01438; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-1.core.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01407; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-1.core.com (208.40.40.42 -> mx1.core.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Apr 2000 22:23:48 -0400 Received: from megsinet.net ([209.81.177.23]) by smtp-1.core.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id FSH01U01.4FS for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:25:06 -0500 Message-ID: <38E951E2.3C1FD313@megsinet.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:22:27 -0400 From: Charles Monett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpads: $1000-$1200, are they worth it? References: <4.3.1.0.20000401143130.00d01b90@pilot.msu.edu> <4.3.1.0.20000402140933.00d0d2d0@pilot.msu.edu> <008301bf9dce$50bab3a0$b0b866ce@dellp2u233> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm thinking about getting one of the $1000-1200 dollar range of the thinkpads, but what models are these, and what would I expect to get with it? I'm not expecting anything over a celeron, that's what I can live with, but are there any accessories that I'd get or not get with the particular lines in this range ( would I get anything like a modem (integrated or pc card), power adapters, etc.)? From cph Tue Apr 4 02:55:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA32510 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:55:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12588; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:52:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12356; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:52:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12341; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:51:58 -0400 Received: from whistler.az.com (ip-216.145.8.254.az.com [216.145.8.254]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA10174 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:52:35 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Received: from Buck ([10.66.46.182]) by whistler.az.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA17401 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:54:13 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <200004040654.XAA17401@whistler.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Tue, 04 Apr 00 00:03:55 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad Quality List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 19:32:27 -0400, Robert Rosen wrote: >Steve Andre' wrote in part: >I've seen recent examples of 600's and 770 >types not being built right, either lately--which adds to my feelings that >IBM has more and more of a manufacturing problem these days. > >You may or may not know that IBM has outsourced some of its manufacturing >to the large resellers so they can >"produce product" on demand. So not all Thinkpads are manufactured by >IBM. I wonder how much of the >"manufacturing problem" is due to that? Well I feel any large increase in demand in a product will directly effect (or is it affect? BAH! Grammer!) the quality of the product if there is a big push to keep up with the demand. I think that has been shown in the harddrive market on several occasions. But if IBM lets these run rampant, I think they'll see a sharp decline in Thinkpad sales and they'll be forced to examine the problem. Of course my 12 years in retail dictate that once you shatter that sacred trust in a product, it'll be harder to earn it back. I love my Thinkpad. It's old. It's underpowered, but it's part of my home network and I would instantly replace it with another Thinkpad if good ole "Twiki" died tommorrow. Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Tue Apr 4 02:58:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA32525 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:58:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12855; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:56:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:55:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12621; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:55:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12608; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:55:20 -0400 Received: from whistler.az.com (ip-216.145.8.254.az.com [216.145.8.254]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA10528 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:56:11 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Received: from Buck ([10.66.46.182]) by whistler.az.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA17488 for ; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:57:50 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <200004040657.XAA17488@whistler.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Tue, 04 Apr 00 00:07:33 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpads: $1000-$1200, are they worth it? List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 22:22:27 -0400, Charles Monett wrote: > I'm thinking about getting one of the $1000-1200 dollar range of the >thinkpads, but what models are these, and what would I expect to get with it? >I'm not expecting anything over a celeron, that's what I can live with, but are >there any accessories that I'd get or not get with the particular lines in this >range ( would I get anything like a modem (integrated or pc card), power >adapters, etc.)? I have a port replicator for my TP365XD and I'm telling ya it is quite handy. Although I do not know the cost between the port replicator and a full fledged docking station would be. Ask Bill Morrow, he'd know. :) I would strongly suggest a spare battery. Very handy when you're on the move and a power outlet is no where in sight. I also would suggest a small surge protector. I keep a small one plug surge protector with my laptop where ever I go now. I know my UPS's power is clean, but who knows about other people's power. Too expensive of a toy to risk. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Tue Apr 4 05:25:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA00371 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:25:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24839; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:24:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24659; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24646; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:24:05 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.13.38]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000404092403.QNQE10526.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:24:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000701bf9e17$6f207de0$260d4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Re: how to rebuild a 770 Li-Ion battery pack? Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 04:23:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. The easy way to find out what is inside. Take the battery pack to a government building with x-ray machine near the entrance. When they scan the thing, take notes. I however, feel that the battery rebuild places might be a better bet, after all, you are going to have to find the cells, and they are most likely high output matched cells, and they might be non-standard in size. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Scott Beals To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 3:41 PM Subject: how to rebuild a 770 Li-Ion battery pack? >Well, some ebay bargains just aren't.. I'm now the proud owner of a >totally dead 770 battery pack. My machine won't charge it -- tries for >a few moments and then gives up. > >Is it worth $279.00 of my time to tear this thing apart and drop new >cells into it? If so, could someone please give me a URL to a web site >that tells me how IBM put this pack together so I can open it up without >destroying it? > >thanks in advance > > andy > > > From cph Tue Apr 4 08:14:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA00976 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:14:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00912; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:14:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:12:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00675; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00661; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 08:12:38 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.78.197.242]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000403230754.KSF25500.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Mon, 3 Apr 2000 23:07:54 +0000 Message-ID: <38E92444.2A73@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 03 Apr 2000 19:07:48 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Denis Hall CC: skunberg@goldengate.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755cd NT4 References: <008b01bf9dc9$2187d2c0$84c533cf@denhall> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Nope, 755 does not have a floppy port Denis Hall wrote: > > You need the external floppy kit for the 755. I usually have these > available, but just sold my last one... will be replenishing within two > weeks hopefully. You insert your existing floppy drive into the external > case kit and plug into rear port on 755. > > Have a Great Day, > Denis Hall, Michigan > > -----Original Message----- > From: skunberg@goldengate.net > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 5:14 PM > Subject: Re: 755cd NT4 > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >The following message is forwarded to you by skunberg@goldengate.net > >(listed as the From user of this message). The original sender (see the > >header, below) was Andrew Scott Beals and has been > >set as the "Reply-To" field of this message. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- > >>Subject: Re: 755cd NT4 > > > >Don't you have an external floppy connector on the back of your unit? > >[many thinkpads do, that's why I'm asking] > > > >skunberg@goldengate.net wrote: > > > >> Hi, I have a 755cd that the floppy drive or the cd drive may be > >> installed but not both. I got a 1 gig HD with bare DOS 5.0 on it and > would > >> like to install a OEM version of NT 4.0. The OEM version of NT comes with > >> 3 floppy's, a cd and a second cd with 3.0 service pack. How do I install > >> this OS without being able to have both drives in? Thank's in advance > >> for the insight!!! > >> Brian Skunberg > >> -- > >> ----------------------------------------------------------- > >> skunberg@goldengate.net > >> ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > From right to left I have power, serial, printer, monitor, docking port > >with a unknown port (kinda looks like a USB) and a infared port. If the > >unknown port is for a external floppy, can I use the one that swaps out > >with the cd? > > > >----------------------------------------------------------- > >skunberg@goldengate.net > >----------------------------------------------------------- > > > > From cph Tue Apr 4 09:11:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA01230 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:11:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04529; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:09:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04258; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04223; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:09:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA08020; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:09:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:09:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: AlanCDane@aol.com cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <9a.30796a9.261a78c4@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 AlanCDane@aol.com wrote: > unsubscribe > In order to List-Unsubscribe: mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Have a nice day, Bruce Komar From cph Tue Apr 4 09:11:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA01234 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:11:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04542; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:09:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04172; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04152; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:09:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA08016; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:08:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:08:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Michael Liquornik cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <40F398F58302D411B1D80010B5458F1408B66B@mtiserver1.sfcommerce.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 3 Apr 2000, Michael Liquornik wrote: > In order to List-Unsubscribe: mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Have a nice day, Bruce Komar From cph Tue Apr 4 10:48:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA01791 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:48:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13967; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:47:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13781; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13749; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:47:12 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax23.vramp.net [198.138.8.86]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA33621; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:46:06 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Michelle Klein-Hass" , Subject: RE: Fascinating article on IBM ThinkPad Repair Service Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:52:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Michelle, Michelle Klein-Hass [mailto:bosslady@msgeek.com] wrote: > The hard drive goes "ka-CHUNK, ka-CHUNK, ka-CHUNK" and you see a BSOD > saying "cannot write to drive" and that's a SOFTWARE problem???? > > C'mon, dude...I had that happen ONCE to me, and it was a dying > Quantum/Apple HD in my Performa 460. > > That's gotta be a hardware problem. I agree that it certainly sounds like a hardware problem, but after THREE new drives he still gets the same sturm und drang? Some of the "Utilities" from Mr. Norton will cause similar noises to emanate >from a drive and I have seen "cannot write to D:" error messages due to incompatibilities between FAT16, FAT32 and NTFS under various OS. My point was that you can't automatically rule the software out of the equation, especially since, IIRC, we weren't given _any_ info on the OS or what he's running on this system. Regards, James From cph Tue Apr 4 11:03:43 2000 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA01918 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:03:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08532; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:49:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:22:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05863; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05849; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:22:30 -0400 Received: from oscar ([32.102.121.49]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000040413220325202k06kae>; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:22:04 +0000 Message-ID: <006c01bf9e38$768d6b80$1c8f6420@oscar> Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: "rudolph wratten" , References: <000701bf9e17$6f207de0$260d4a0c@701c> Subject: Re: how to rebuild a 770 Li-Ion battery pack? Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 07:19:51 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Do you have a couple references for these battery rebuild places? ----- Original Message ----- > The easy way to find out what is inside. > Take the battery pack to a government building with x-ray machine near the > entrance. When they scan the thing, take notes. I however, feel that the > battery rebuild places might be a better bet, after all, you are going to > have to find the cells, and they are most likely high output matched cells, > and they might be non-standard in size From cph Tue Apr 4 11:06:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA01929 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:06:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15701; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:06:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:06:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15625; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15611; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.110 -> pilot010.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:06:25 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm454-09.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.211]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA58076; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:06:19 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000403234456.00cf1400@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 00:01:28 -0400 To: Andrew Scott Beals , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: how to rebuild a 770 Li-Ion battery pack? In-Reply-To: <38E9003A.8AFC5127@ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Judging from my one experience in trying to tear a thinkpad battery apart, I don't think it will be at all easy. I get the feeling that these things are made entirely by machine, with no real intent of ever opening them up again. In the case of Li-ON batteries there might even be some legal issues, since there has been a past history of Li batteries burning up UPS tracks (ala Mollie cells, et al). If you do however find info on this, please please tell us about it. I suspect that you'll have an adventure doing it. --STeve At 01:34 PM 4/3/00 -0700, Andrew Scott Beals wrote: >Well, some ebay bargains just aren't.. I'm now the proud owner of a >totally dead 770 battery pack. My machine won't charge it -- tries for >a few moments and then gives up. > >Is it worth $279.00 of my time to tear this thing apart and drop new >cells into it? If so, could someone please give me a URL to a web site >that tells me how IBM put this pack together so I can open it up without >destroying it? > >thanks in advance > > andy > From cph Tue Apr 4 11:09:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA01941 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:09:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16134; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:08:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16019; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16004; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:08:51 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax23.vramp.net [198.138.8.86]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA35261 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:08:03 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: Onsale and Bidwatch Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:14:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to all who answered my questions about using Bidwatch. Regards, James the Elder From cph Tue Apr 4 14:33:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA03520 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:33:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03250; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:31:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03011; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02997; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243 -> maynard.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:31:24 -0400 Received: from Thinkpad (user-33qt9c3.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.165.131]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA08758 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000404143139.00a5ba10@mail.mindspring.com> X-Sender: houlihan@mail.mindspring.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 14:32:44 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jerry Houlihan Subject: Source for High Capacity Battery for Thinkpad 240??? In-Reply-To: <200004040657.XAA17488@whistler.az.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Anybody know of a cheap source for the High cap batt. for the 240? TIA, Jerry From cph Tue Apr 4 16:01:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA04233 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:01:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12459; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:00:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12304; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:00:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12289; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:59:58 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME ([209.86.147.228]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04403; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004041959.PAA04403@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "letoured@sover.net" , "thinkpad" Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 04:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <200004031659.MAA00189@pike.sover.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Is Memory Just Memory? List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 03 Apr 2000 10:15:13 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >"sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." said: > >>On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 08:20:49 -0500, Jeffrey Baker wrote: > >>>I did the Crucial upgrade on my 770Z, up to 256 MB. Things seem quicker, >>>and thus far, with substantial hours logged, I'm not getting the customary >>>screen freezes (W98). My impression from readings had been that 128 MB RAM >>>was supposed to be plenty for the reasonably low-intensity uses I'm >>>accustomed to, but my recent experience with the upgrade is beginning to >>>belie that. Any thoughts? Thanks - Jeff plumbush2@mediaone.net > >>Obviously its because of the crappy Win9x. Considering their bad memory >>usage. > >>OS/2 Warp4 would run on 64megs without any problem and any need to upgrade to >>128megs for the average user. Same for linux. > >True most of the time. I saw quite a bit of disk thrashing with VTD and 64 >megs, so there an exception. Voice Type Dictation is not just an exception. It is a whopper exception. I run this OS/2 Warp box with 64Mb and seldom do I go to the swapper file. When I used VTD, well, different story. But for the usual day, say, using Lotus, checking the mail, browsing newsgroups, spinning a tune on the CD and hitting a few www sites, 64Mb is just fine. I had to take Warp off the TP in order to use their email, much to my chagrin. > > >_____________ >Ed Letourneau > From cph Tue Apr 4 16:07:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA04279 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:07:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13367; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:07:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:07:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13263; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web107.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13043; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web107.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.74 -> web107.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:06:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 3986 invoked by uid 60001); 4 Apr 2000 20:06:10 -0000 Message-ID: <20000404200610.3985.qmail@web107.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.224.20] by web107.yahoomail.com; Tue, 04 Apr 2000 13:06:10 PDT Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:06:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: how to rebuild a 770 Li-Ion battery pack? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I was able to bust open a dead battery pack once without too much trouble but couldn't find any reasonably priced replacement cells to fix it with. Those were round but the newer ones are rectangular and must be really hard to find. --- STeve Andre' wrote: > Judging from my one experience in trying to tear a > thinkpad battery apart, > I don't > think it will be at all easy. > > I get the feeling that these things are made > entirely by machine, with no real > intent of ever opening them up again. In the case > of Li-ON batteries there > might even be some legal issues, since there has > been a past history of Li > batteries burning up UPS tracks (ala Mollie cells, > et al). > > If you do however find info on this, please please > tell us about it. I suspect > that you'll have an adventure doing it. > > --STeve > > At 01:34 PM 4/3/00 -0700, Andrew Scott Beals wrote: > >Well, some ebay bargains just aren't.. I'm now the > proud owner of a > >totally dead 770 battery pack. My machine won't > charge it -- tries for > >a few moments and then gives up. > > > >Is it worth $279.00 of my time to tear this thing > apart and drop new > >cells into it? If so, could someone please give me > a URL to a web site > >that tells me how IBM put this pack together so I > can open it up without > >destroying it? > > > >thanks in advance > > > > andy > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Tue Apr 4 16:56:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA04606 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:56:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18262; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:55:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18113; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:55:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18096; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 16:55:46 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.19]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000404022655.OXHL26411.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 02:26:55 +0000 Message-ID: <003001bf9ddd$286368c0$130e4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Re: how to rebuild a 770 Li-Ion battery pack? Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2000 21:25:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. The easy way to find out what is inside. Take the battery pack to a government building with x-ray machine near the entrance. When they scan the thing, take notes. I however, feel that the battery rebuild places might be a better bet, after all, you are going to have to find the cells, and they are most likely high output matched cells, and they might be non-standard in size. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Scott Beals To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 3:41 PM Subject: how to rebuild a 770 Li-Ion battery pack? >Well, some ebay bargains just aren't.. I'm now the proud owner of a >totally dead 770 battery pack. My machine won't charge it -- tries for >a few moments and then gives up. > >Is it worth $279.00 of my time to tear this thing apart and drop new >cells into it? If so, could someone please give me a URL to a web site >that tells me how IBM put this pack together so I can open it up without >destroying it? > >thanks in advance > > andy > > > From cph Tue Apr 4 19:07:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA05528 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:07:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28817; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:06:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28623; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bucknell.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28610; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bucknell.edu (134.82.9.1 -> marge.bucknell.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:06:05 -0400 Received: from pfindeis.bucknell.edu (findeis.bucknell.edu [134.82.59.44]) by mail.bucknell.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA05505 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004042306.TAA05505@mail.bucknell.edu> X-Sender: findeis@mail.bucknell.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Findeis Subject: Floppy drives for TP 755 List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, Diskette drive for 760 / 765 series TP is FRU # 29H9230 (IBM price of $80.75), BUT for the 355, 360 and 755 TP the diskette drive is FRU # 84G2269 (IBM price of $ 168.00) Both drives seem to be physically the same, and the cheaper floppy seems to work just fine in a 755CS Anybody know why the difference? -Pete From cph Tue Apr 4 19:31:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA05658 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:31:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00521; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:30:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00404; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00390; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 19:30:26 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.99]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000404213222.HCNE10526.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:32:22 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01bf9e74$ecacb640$630e4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Batteries Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:32:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. Some places you can check are ham radio supply houses. I was told that because of liability, laptop packs are expensive to make, There is a full shut down circuit in Li-Ion packs, and there is the matter of smart batteries, but it can be done. I have rebuilt packs for several dozen things in the last few months alone. Radio Shack carries a line of replace-a-cell products, and you can replace an older,larger, set of cells, for example ni-cad, with same capacity smaller cells, like Li-Ion. I do not recommend replacing cells with something of smaller capacity without a firm understanding of the recharging circuit. It would be easy to melt things with excessive charge current. One thing I must point out, without the protective current limiting circuit in place, an explosive situation can occur, the israli military killed one of there foes by shorting out the battery pack of his cell-phone, this was done by a simple tone selective reed relay. From cph Tue Apr 4 21:56:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA06549 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:56:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08911; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:55:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08544; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08531; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:54:56 -0400 Received: from c454306b (ppp07.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.85]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA07256; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:54:52 -0700 Message-ID: <028201bf9ea0$2a7aa560$f7691c3f@c454306b> From: "peter machule" To: , "Peter Findeis" References: <200004042306.TAA05505@mail.bucknell.edu> Subject: Re: Floppy drives for TP 755 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:42:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/product.asp?dept%5Fid=6&sku=MPF720%2D2%2F21 $12 !! it's worth a phone call ;-} Picure is correct but I don't recall ever seeing a Sony product inside a 755 /760. It was always a TEAC . As to the price differnce between essentially identical products ... It's IBM ;-} Note that many of the earlier 750 drives were 2.88 MB but the drive part you give is the standard 1.44MB. ..peter.. who still can't figure IBM out ... ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Findeis To: Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Floppy drives for TP 755 > Hi all, > Diskette drive for 760 / 765 series TP is FRU # 29H9230 (IBM price of $80.75), > BUT for the 355, 360 and 755 TP the diskette drive is FRU # 84G2269 (IBM > price of $ 168.00) > Both drives seem to be physically the same, and the cheaper floppy seems to > work just fine in a 755CS > Anybody know why the difference? > -Pete > > > From cph Tue Apr 4 21:56:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA06551 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:56:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08956; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:55:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08593; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08571; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:55:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:55:08 -0400 Received: from c454306b (ppp07.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.85]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA07263; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:55:06 -0700 Message-ID: <028301bf9ea0$32cb3f40$f7691c3f@c454306b> From: "peter machule" To: , "Peter Findeis" References: <200004042306.TAA05505@mail.bucknell.edu> Subject: Re: Floppy drives for TP 755 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 18:42:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/product.asp?dept%5Fid=6&sku=MPF720%2D2%2F21 $12 !! it's worth a phone call ;-} Picure is correct but I don't recall ever seeing a Sony product inside a 755 /760. It was always a TEAC . As to the price differnce between essentially identical products ... It's IBM ;-} Note that many of the earlier 750 drives were 2.88 MB but the drive part you give is the standard 1.44MB. ..peter.. who still can't figure IBM out ... ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Findeis To: Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: Floppy drives for TP 755 > Hi all, > Diskette drive for 760 / 765 series TP is FRU # 29H9230 (IBM price of $80.75), > BUT for the 355, 360 and 755 TP the diskette drive is FRU # 84G2269 (IBM > price of $ 168.00) > Both drives seem to be physically the same, and the cheaper floppy seems to > work just fine in a 755CS > Anybody know why the difference? > -Pete > > > From cph Tue Apr 4 21:58:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA06577 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:58:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09604; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:58:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09524; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09510; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:58:26 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JNUOCHULXC8WWL67@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:01:27 CST Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 21:01:27 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: which linux works with 770e To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: i know that all linux supposed to work with my ibm 770e but ihad a nightmare with SUSE 6.1 so i am looking for somethiing that has proven to work. I still couldnt get SUSE to configure and recognize my video ram & even the ps/2 trackpoint (mouse) Is redhat easy to install and configure ?? Any other better choices for Linux ? From cph Tue Apr 4 22:03:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA06635 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:03:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10275; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:03:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10184; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10171; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:03:22 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax6.vramp.net [198.138.8.69]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA77223; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:02:27 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Peter Findeis" , Subject: RE: Floppy drives for TP 755 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:09:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <200004042306.TAA05505@mail.bucknell.edu> List-Unsubscribe: Peter Findeis [mailto:findeis@bucknell.edu] wrote: > Diskette drive for 760 / 765 series TP is FRU # 29H9230 (IBM price > of $80.75), > BUT for the 355, 360 and 755 TP the diskette drive is FRU # 84G2269 (IBM > price of $ 168.00) > Both drives seem to be physically the same, and the cheaper floppy seems to > work just fine in a 755CS > Anybody know why the difference? The cheaper FDD is the standard 1.4MB drive while the other is the 2.8MB one? Just a thought. Regards, James From cph Tue Apr 4 22:50:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA06863 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:50:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12848; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:49:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12729; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12711; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Apr 2000 22:49:52 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.58.100]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000405022652.DLXB12683.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:26:52 +0000 Message-ID: <001901bf9ea6$674b2180$643a4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Linux Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 21:26:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. Red Hat works, and works well, however if you install all the pakages you have a lot of code. It is, perhaps, the closer to Windows, easy to install, lots of window dressing, big. Linux is stable, bus so is windows NT. From cph Wed Apr 5 00:11:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA07365 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:11:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17285; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:10:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17140; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17130; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:10:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.41 -> imo-d09.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:10:23 -0400 Received: from Tpschwarz@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id o.6f.3376505 (4004) for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <6f.3376505.261c16ab@aol.com> Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:10:19 EDT Subject: unsubscribe To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 224 List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph Wed Apr 5 00:34:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA07510 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:34:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18452; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:34:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18352; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18339; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:34:02 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.13.38]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000404104715.TRP14995.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:47:15 +0000 Message-ID: <001001bf9e22$6fb0d600$260d4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: 730 Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 05:41:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. The z50 came back from IBM solarcon/ EZ serve. They simply replaced the whole computer. The problem with the z50 is that the DC/DC board can touch the shield of the case. The IBM people could not figure this out until now, it would seem that they never had a machine that was not " tampered " with. What they did was to cut the bottom off, this allowed them to find the problem, however, it also left the machine with this hole. The fix?, a square of tape to the inside case!. I will have to reload everything back on to the z50, however it will not sync with the old settings. This will delay getting the 730 mirrors out. From cph Wed Apr 5 01:32:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA07783 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:32:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21107; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:29:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20926; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20912; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004050529.BAA20912@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:29:15 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-j149.otenet.gr [212.205.245.149]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TCA2; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:28:51 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:29:10 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004010616.BAA10915@lem.phy.duke.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: 560e XF86Config file for Red Hat 6.1? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id BAA21107 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id BAA07784 >I recently upgraded my 560e Thinkpad from RH 4.2 to RH >6.1 and found that the XF86Config file that I had been >using didn't work well under 6.1, there is a >substantial flickering of the background. >By chance, does anyone have an up-to-date XF86Config >file for a 560E that does work with 6.1 (preferably in >800x600x16 mode)? Why don't you create a new config with xf86config? (its under /usr/bin/X11 or something) You could also use xf86setup (if i remember the name correctly) which has autodetection and will pretty much do everything for you. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 01:37:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA07814 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:37:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21449; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:37:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21369; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21355; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004050537.BAA21355@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:37:19 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-j149.otenet.gr [212.205.245.149]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TCAL; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:36:59 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:37:20 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: holy cow! List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id BAA21449 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id BAA07815 Ok people, you've made me very afraid. I've read the articles about the noise that some bad harddrives make, and i think i've got the same problem. The question is, do i trust the UK serivce or not? will i have all these problems that others had with IBM's service? I've noticed that the clunk-clunk noise is not based on software, or it shouldn't anyway since it happens on all three OS's that i've got installed. It doesn't happen very frequently, but when it does, Windoze just gets stuck and i need to shut down the machine, but if it happens under OS/2 or Solaris the operating system just stops accessing the harddrive for a minute and then works fine. or maybe i should wait untill the harddrive goes dead... then atleast they won't need to do any testing to find the fault ;) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 01:39:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA07822 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:39:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21720; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:38:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21641; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21628; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004050538.BAA21628@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:38:53 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-j149.otenet.gr [212.205.245.149]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TCA3; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 00:38:34 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 08:38:55 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Solaris? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id BAA21720 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id BAA07823 Anyone found video drivers for the TP600E or similar for Solaris? I'm using a NeoMagic MagicMedia 256AV, and Solaris7 doesn't seem to support it. Not that i mind a lot, since i use the shell more than the GUI. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 02:27:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA07987 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:26:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24041; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:26:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23902; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23857; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004050626.CAA23857@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:26:37 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n209.otenet.gr [212.205.246.209]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TCA7; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:26:16 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:14:59 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: IBM? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id CAA24041 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA07989 Is it possible to contact IBM to request a software feature? I'd be interested to have an option "Don't sustend if LCD is closed" like the one thats in Windoze but under OS/2. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 02:27:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA07986 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:26:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24037; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:26:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23870; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23847; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004050626.CAA23847@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:26:35 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n209.otenet.gr [212.205.246.209]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TCA5; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 01:26:12 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:11:54 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: pcmcia modem List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id CAA24037 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA07988 Because the internal software modem of my 600E runs at 33.6 speed under OS/2 and it has no stability at all (os/2 has trapped because of the modem driver four times already), i'm interested to find a pcmcia modem (56k) that works under OS/2. Could anyone please suggest some? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 02:45:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA08059 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:45:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25089; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:44:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24875; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24862; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 02:44:32 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id XAA18166 for ; Tue, 4 Apr 2000 23:43:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000404234037.04a26100@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:42:19 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: pcmcia modem In-Reply-To: <200004050626.CAA23847@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:11 AM 4/5/2000 , sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >Because the internal software modem of my 600E runs at 33.6 speed under OS/2 >and it has no stability at all (os/2 has trapped because of the modem driver four >times already), i'm interested to find a pcmcia modem (56k) that works under >OS/2. Could anyone please suggest some? XIRCOM has a line of 56K modems that work well under Windows (9x, NT) and OS/2 (Warp 4). They are expensive, but they do work well and DON'T need a "dongle" or other specialty cable to connect to the real world. -- David Goldman From cph Wed Apr 5 05:27:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA08614 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 05:27:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07649; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 05:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 05:23:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07497; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 05:23:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaae.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07483; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 05:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaae.compuserve.com (149.174.206.138 -> ds-img-5.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 05:23:36 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id FAA10168 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 05:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 05:23:02 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: how to rebuild a 770 Li-Ion battery pack? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200004050523_MC2-9FFB-B2D@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA08615 I think you will find that the cells are OK, it is the chip circuit that shuts down. I rejuvenate a lot of laptop batteries and more often, the Li-ion circuits have shut the charge circuit off. A cynical person would suggest that the manufacturers have built-in obsolesence!! You can't get circuitry parts either... http://website.lineone.net/~battery_rejuvenate/ RE: Re: how to rebuild a 770 Li-Ion battery pack? Hello. The easy way to find out what is inside. Take the battery pack to a government building with x-ray machine near the entrance. When they scan the thing, take notes. I however, feel that the battery rebuild places might be a better bet, after all, you are going to have to find the cells, and they are most likely high output matched cells, and they might be non-standard in size. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Scott Beals To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 3:41 PM Subject: how to rebuild a 770 Li-Ion battery pack? >Well, some ebay bargains just aren't.. I'm now the proud owner of a >totally dead 770 battery pack. My machine won't charge it -- tries for >a few moments and then gives up. > >Is it worth $279.00 of my time to tear this thing apart and drop new >cells into it? If so, could someone please give me a URL to a web site >that tells me how IBM put this pack together so I can open it up without >destroying it? > >thanks in advance > > andy From cph Wed Apr 5 06:59:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA09079 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:59:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10996; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:58:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10828; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10811; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (194.164.19.39 -> bradnet.legend.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:58:43 -0400 Received: by bradnet.legend.co.uk (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id LAA165.15; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:58:41 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:58:40 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM? Message-ID: <20000405115840.K6987@bradnet.legend.co.uk> References: <200004050626.CAA23857@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: <200004050626.CAA23857@cs.utk.edu>; from sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 09:14:59AM -0500 X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id GAA10996 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id GAA09080 On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 09:14:59AM -0500, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > Is it possible to contact IBM to request a software feature? I'd be interested > to have an option "Don't sustend if LCD is closed" like the one thats in Windoze > but under OS/2. Yes, of course. Just contact your IBM account manager. :-) > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > -- John From cph Wed Apr 5 07:14:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA09130 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:14:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11694; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:14:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11616; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA11601; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:14:17 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.12.13]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000405111415.TALX27191.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:14:15 +0000 Message-ID: <002801bf9ef0$1383af00$0d0c4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Re: how to rebuild a 770 Li-Ion battery pack? Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 06:14:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. The charge circuit is very simple, even for so-called "smart" batteries, you see, everybody uses "building blocks" for batteries. There are evaluation kits, boxes with 2 or 3 of each type of chip, that can be had for little, or sometimes, no, cost. there are only 4 basic designs, everything else is just a version of the same 4 stories. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Date: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 4:26 AM Subject: Re: how to rebuild a 770 Li-Ion battery pack? I think you will find that the cells are OK, it is the chip circuit that shuts down. I rejuvenate a lot of laptop batteries and more often, the Li-ion circuits have shut the charge circuit off. A cynical person would suggest that the manufacturers have built-in obsolesence!! You can't get circuitry parts either... http://website.lineone.net/~battery_rejuvenate/ RE: Re: how to rebuild a 770 Li-Ion battery pack? Hello. The easy way to find out what is inside. Take the battery pack to a government building with x-ray machine near the entrance. When they scan the thing, take notes. I however, feel that the battery rebuild places might be a better bet, after all, you are going to have to find the cells, and they are most likely high output matched cells, and they might be non-standard in size. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Scott Beals To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 3:41 PM Subject: how to rebuild a 770 Li-Ion battery pack? >Well, some ebay bargains just aren't.. I'm now the proud owner of a >totally dead 770 battery pack. My machine won't charge it -- tries for >a few moments and then gives up. > >Is it worth $279.00 of my time to tear this thing apart and drop new >cells into it? If so, could someone please give me a URL to a web site >that tells me how IBM put this pack together so I can open it up without >destroying it? > >thanks in advance > > andy From cph Wed Apr 5 08:32:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA09465 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:32:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15598; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:31:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15369; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15356; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:31:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004051231.IAA15356@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:31:18 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-f035.otenet.gr [212.205.234.35]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TCBY; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:30:57 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:31:13 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000404234037.04a26100@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pcmcia modem List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA15598 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA09466 On Tue, 04 Apr 2000 23:42:19 -0700, David Goldman wrote: >XIRCOM has a line of 56K modems that work well under Windows (9x, NT) and >OS/2 (Warp 4). They are expensive, but they do work well and DON'T need a >"dongle" or other specialty cable to connect to the real world. Thank you! I'll check XIRCOM then and see what i can find. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 08:35:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA09482 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:35:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15920; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:35:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15843; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15830; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004051235.IAA15830@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:35:19 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-f035.otenet.gr [212.205.234.35]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TCB6; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 07:34:58 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 15:35:19 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000405115840.K6987@bradnet.legend.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: IBM? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA15920 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA09483 On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:58:40 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 09:14:59AM -0500, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >> Is it possible to contact IBM to request a software feature? I'd be interested >> to have an option "Don't sustend if LCD is closed" like the one thats in Windoze >> but under OS/2. > >Yes, of course. >Just contact your IBM account manager. :-) heh last time i contacted IBM was to report a bug in the tcpip stack of OS/2, and they told me to pay them money to get it fixed! Now is that normal? You ask people to pay you, to fix your own bugs??? So me and the two other people who were working on some os/2 web servers got so pissed off at them, we made about 20 calls and finally got an 'interview' with a few IBM managers via phone. We emailed them the debug code, our custom program that helped them reporoduce the bug and 24 hours later we got a call from the guy who actualy made the OS/2 tcpip port! He fixed the bug in a few hours. Moral of the story? You have to either know the right people or pay loads of money to make them do something. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 08:50:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA09591 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:50:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17139; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:50:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17054; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17041; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:50:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA09731; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:50:00 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:50:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Tpschwarz@aol.com cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <6f.3376505.261c16ab@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 Tpschwarz@aol.com wrote: > unsubscribe > In order to List-Unsubscribe: mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Have a nice day, Bruce Komar From cph Wed Apr 5 08:51:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA09597 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:51:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17486; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:51:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17394; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:51:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout8-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17381; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout8-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.111 -> pimout8-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:51:25 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (KGTNB104-15.splitrock.net [209.253.201.111]) by pimout8-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA157476 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:51:23 -0400 Message-ID: <008001bf9efd$cce46d60$6fc9fdd1@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Russ Knorr" From: "Russ Knorr" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: TP 385ED Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:52:27 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I have a 385ED Pn 26355EU.It has a 166MHZ processor with 16 mb of ram and a 2.1 gig HD with a 56kb modem.What can be done with a processor update? What kind of memory do I need to go to 64MB?How big a HD can I install? Thanks in advance for any help you can provide. Regards Russ Knorr From cph Wed Apr 5 09:10:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA09701 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:10:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19352; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:10:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19263; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19250; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004051310.JAA19250@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:10:17 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-r217.otenet.gr [212.205.255.217]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TCCG; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:09:57 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:10:17 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: 600E upgrade? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id JAA19352 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA09702 How upgradable is the 600E? I know i can expand the memory, or change the CDrom drive to a DVD, but can i change things like the CPU? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 09:15:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA09734 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:15:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20014; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:15:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19908; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19895; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.119 -> pilot019.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:15:25 -0400 Received: from android.msu.edu (pm456-42.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.100]) by pilot019.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA28752 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:15:21 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000405090916.00d48610@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:14:50 -0400 To: "thinkpad" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Extracting a fix out of IBM for OS/2 In-Reply-To: <200004051235.IAA15830@cs.utk.edu> References: <20000405115840.K6987@bradnet.legend.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA09735 I'm impressed that you were able to get a fix out of them for OS/2, but don't expect it to happen often in the future. As good as it was in its heyday, OS/2 has no future whatsoever. Microsoft saw to that when they changed enough ot the internals of Win 95 such that OS/2 couldn't deal with it. I suppose IBM is stuck doing some supporting of OS/2 still, for any government contracts they have that used it. If I'm not mistaken, they'll have to support it for 10 years I think, after some point of stopping selling it (or something like that). At this point I wouldn't do anything new with OS/2. There are too many neat and free alternatives (OpenBSD, Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, ...) which are ultimately more powerful--and have a greater population of folks who can do things with it. STeve Andre' At 03:35 PM 4/5/00 -0500, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >heh last time i contacted IBM was to report a bug in the tcpip stack of >OS/2, and >they told me to pay them money to get it fixed! > >Now is that normal? You ask people to pay you, to fix your own bugs??? > >So me and the two other people who were working on some os/2 web servers got >so pissed off at them, we made about 20 calls and finally got an >'interview' with >a few IBM managers via phone. We emailed them the debug code, our custom >program >that helped them reporoduce the bug and 24 hours later we got a call from the >guy who actualy made the OS/2 tcpip port! He fixed the bug in a few hours. > >Moral of the story? You have to either know the right people or pay loads >of money to >make them do something. > >þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ >þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 09:22:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA09780 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:22:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20845; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:22:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20626; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20613; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.110 -> pilot010.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:22:11 -0400 Received: from android.msu.edu (pm456-42.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.100]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA25794 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:22:08 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000405091608.00cfd350@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:21:38 -0400 To: "thinkpad" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: holy cow! In-Reply-To: <200004050537.BAA21355@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA09781 For what its worth, the strange and obnoxious sounds that my little 4G disk makes has not affected it in any way operationally. I've been talking with other ThinkPad owners, and a great number of them have reported of the whining noise as well. Interestingly, the 6G disks may not whine as much as the others do--but this is >from my unscientific polling of all the TP people I know locally, and might not be a good sample at all. I have gotten reports of noise on 4G, 10G, 12G, 14G drives. I think the two loudest drives I have yet heard are mine (4G) and a 14G unit. However, no one has reported disk failures, which is a good sign. Perhaps we just have an irritating characteristic we have to live with? (Ugh...) --STeve Andre' At 08:37 AM 4/5/00 -0500, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >Ok people, you've made me very afraid. > >I've read the articles about the noise that some bad harddrives make, and i >think i've got the same problem. > >The question is, do i trust the UK serivce or not? >will i have all these problems that others had with IBM's service? > >I've noticed that the clunk-clunk noise is not based on software, or it >shouldn't anyway >since it happens on all three OS's that i've got installed. It doesn't >happen very >frequently, but when it does, Windoze just gets stuck and i need to shut >down the machine, >but if it happens under OS/2 or Solaris the operating system just stops >accessing the >harddrive for a minute and then works fine. > >or maybe i should wait untill the harddrive goes dead... then atleast they >won't need >to do any testing to find the fault ;) > >þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ >þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 09:29:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA09815 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:29:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21423; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:28:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21304; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21265; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:28:23 -0400 Received: from jeanluc (jeanluc.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.131]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13786; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:27:21 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [172.20.1.9]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA06397; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:26:50 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:26:59 +0000 To: "thinkpad" , "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Extracting a fix out of IBM for OS/2 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA09816 And you get the source, so you can fix your own TCP/IP bugs! - Adam ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Extracting a fix out of IBM for OS/2 Author: MIME:"STeve Andre'" at INTERNET Date: 4/5/00 2:20 PM I'm impressed that you were able to get a fix out of them for OS/2, but don't expect it to happen often in the future. As good as it was in its heyday, OS/2 has no future whatsoever. Microsoft saw to that when they changed enough ot the internals of Win 95 such that OS/2 couldn't deal with it. I suppose IBM is stuck doing some supporting of OS/2 still, for any government contracts they have that used it. If I'm not mistaken, they'll have to support it for 10 years I think, after some point of stopping selling it (or something like that). At this point I wouldn't do anything new with OS/2. There are too many neat and free alternatives (OpenBSD, Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, ...) which are ultimately more powerful--and have a greater population of folks who can do things with it. STeve Andre' At 03:35 PM 4/5/00 -0500, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >heh last time i contacted IBM was to report a bug in the tcpip stack of >OS/2, and >they told me to pay them money to get it fixed! > >Now is that normal? You ask people to pay you, to fix your own bugs??? > >So me and the two other people who were working on some os/2 web servers got >so pissed off at them, we made about 20 calls and finally got an >'interview' with >a few IBM managers via phone. We emailed them the debug code, our custom >program >that helped them reporoduce the bug and 24 hours later we got a call from the >guy who actualy made the OS/2 tcpip port! He fixed the bug in a few hours. > >Moral of the story? You have to either know the right people or pay loads >of money to >make them do something. > >p H.I.C. & D.B.S. p OS/2 Warp p Hellas p >p ServerConfig p ConfigEdit p OS/2 UK UG p ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Wed Apr 5 09:29:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA09819 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:29:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21533; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:29:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21456; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:29:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21433; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004051329.JAA21433@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:29:06 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-r217.otenet.gr [212.205.255.217]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TCCP; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:28:45 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:29:06 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000405090916.00d48610@pilot.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Extracting a fix out of IBM for OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id JAA21533 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA09820 On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:14:50 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >I'm impressed that you were able to get a fix out of them for OS/2, but >don't expect >it to happen often in the future. i was quite impressed my self! >I suppose IBM is stuck doing some supporting of OS/2 still, for any government >contracts they have that used it. If I'm not mistaken, they'll have to >support it for >10 years I think, after some point of stopping selling it (or something >like that). Actualy IBM has a commitment for the next 7 years. Then they will either review it and continue or drop os/2. >At this point I wouldn't do anything new with OS/2. There are too many >neat and >free alternatives (OpenBSD, Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, ...) which are ultimately >more powerful--and have a greater population of folks who can do things >with it. Now you are wrong :) first, IBM wouldn't just drop OS/2, if they did they would have an alternative, like an OS/2 emulator for AIX or something like that. Second OS/2 is dead, long live OS/2, yes we've been hearing this for many years but OS/2 is still here as always. OS/2 is not as dead as you think. Maybe IBM doesn't seem to give any real support but thats not entirely true. Actualy IBM doesn't give any PR/advertisements about OS/2 any more since they don't think OS/2 will sell that way. Suppost exists, we've been having new fixpacks every 2-3 months, plus the new OS/2 Warp Server for e-business and the upcomming OS/2 Warp 5 client thats on beta testing as we speak. No, OS/2 is far from dead. PS: OS/2 is as powerful as any unix system, or more, in my oppinion. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 09:35:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA09860 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:35:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22333; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:34:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22123; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22110; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.122 -> pilot022.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:34:32 -0400 Received: from android.msu.edu (pm456-42.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.100]) by pilot022.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA44486 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:34:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000405093152.00d02950@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:33:58 -0400 To: "thinkpad" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Extracting a fix out of IBM for OS/2 In-Reply-To: <200004051329.JAA21433@cs.utk.edu> References: <4.3.1.0.20000405090916.00d48610@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA09861 Well, we're wandering afar from the TP list in this discussion. Good luck with OS/2; you are right that it is a powerful system--I only question how relevant it is in today's open software era. But it does work well, I'll grant to you that. --STeve At 04:29 PM 4/5/00 -0500, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: (snip) >Now you are wrong :) first, IBM wouldn't just drop OS/2, if they did they >would >have an alternative, like an OS/2 emulator for AIX or something like that. >Second >OS/2 is dead, long live OS/2, yes we've been hearing this for many years but >OS/2 is still here as always. > >OS/2 is not as dead as you think. Maybe IBM doesn't seem to give any real >support >but thats not entirely true. Actualy IBM doesn't give any >PR/advertisements about >OS/2 any more since they don't think OS/2 will sell that way. Suppost >exists, we've >been having new fixpacks every 2-3 months, plus the new OS/2 Warp Server >for e-business >and the upcomming OS/2 Warp 5 client thats on beta testing as we speak. > >No, OS/2 is far from dead. > >PS: >OS/2 is as powerful as any unix system, or more, in my oppinion. > >þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ >þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 09:36:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA09870 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:36:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22591; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:35:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22496; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22483; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (129.97.140.200 -> plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:35:47 -0400 Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (migod@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA20611 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004051335.JAA20611@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu X-url: http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/ X-image-url: http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/migod.jpg Subject: using emergency CD installation on a new HD Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:35:45 -0400 From: "Michael W. Godfrey" List-Unsubscribe: I went ahead and bought an 18G Toshiba HDD for my TP600E. I would like to do a clean install of the original (Win98) software from the emergency disk rather than a drive copy -- my old HDD has lots of junk, including an aborted install of NT4 that I don't wish to keep. My idea was to use the emergency CDROM to reinstall everything (Win98 plus TP specific goodies), then get updated TP drivers, re-install my apps, and then move over the (relatively small amount) of personal data that I have already copied onto my desktop machine. BUT ... when I insert the recovery CD, it starts up then flashes a complaint of "invalid drive specification" (or something similar -- it disappears too quickly to be sure), and dumps me at the A: prompt. Any ideas what Ive done wrong? Does the emergency CD assume I'm using the orginal 6Gig HDD? For "fun" I went ahead and did a small Linux installation and got it all working fine, so the drive seems OK. Any hints greatly appreciated! -- Mike G. From cph Wed Apr 5 09:37:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA09883 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:37:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22996; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:37:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22909; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22888; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:37:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:37:11 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a51.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.52]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA01982 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004051337.JAA01982@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a51.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.52] 209.198.113.52 Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:29:01 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: IBM X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 09:14:59AM -0500, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > Is > >it possible to contact IBM to request a software feature? I'd be interested > > >to have an option "Don't sustend if LCD is closed" like the one thats in > >Windoze > but under OS/2. > > >Yes, of course. The OS2 Thinkpad Configuration tools already have this feature. Its under Suspend/Resume Options. _____________ Ed Letourneau From cph Wed Apr 5 09:39:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA09890 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:39:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23561; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:38:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23234; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22916; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:37:24 -0400 Received: from jeanluc (jeanluc.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.131]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13956; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:36:22 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [172.20.1.9]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA06624; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:35:50 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:35:59 +0000 To: "thinkpad" , "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re[2]: holy cow! MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA09891 My 6G IBM Travelstar doesn't make much noise when it's operating, but it does make a sound like a screw loose inside if you slowly turn it end-over-end out of the Thinkpad. THis was a bit worrying initially, especially when it didn't work when I first plugged it in (this just turned out to be the cable select pins though). ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: holy cow! Author: MIME:"STeve Andre'" at INTERNET Date: 4/5/00 2:26 PM For what its worth, the strange and obnoxious sounds that my little 4G disk makes has not affected it in any way operationally. I've been talking with other ThinkPad owners, and a great number of them have reported of the whining noise as well. Interestingly, the 6G disks may not whine as much as the others do--but this is >from my unscientific polling of all the TP people I know locally, and might not be a good sample at all. I have gotten reports of noise on 4G, 10G, 12G, 14G drives. I think the two loudest drives I have yet heard are mine (4G) and a 14G unit. However, no one has reported disk failures, which is a good sign. Perhaps we just have an irritating characteristic we have to live with? (Ugh...) --STeve Andre' At 08:37 AM 4/5/00 -0500, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >Ok people, you've made me very afraid. > >I've read the articles about the noise that some bad harddrives make, and i >think i've got the same problem. > >The question is, do i trust the UK serivce or not? >will i have all these problems that others had with IBM's service? > >I've noticed that the clunk-clunk noise is not based on software, or it >shouldn't anyway >since it happens on all three OS's that i've got installed. It doesn't >happen very >frequently, but when it does, Windoze just gets stuck and i need to shut >down the machine, >but if it happens under OS/2 or Solaris the operating system just stops >accessing the >harddrive for a minute and then works fine. > >or maybe i should wait untill the harddrive goes dead... then atleast they >won't need >to do any testing to find the fault ;) > >p H.I.C. & D.B.S. p OS/2 Warp p Hellas p >p ServerConfig p ConfigEdit p OS/2 UK UG p ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Wed Apr 5 09:55:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA09972 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:55:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25334; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:54:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25161; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25148; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004051354.JAA25148@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:54:20 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-r217.otenet.gr [212.205.255.217]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TCC8; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 08:54:00 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 16:54:20 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004051337.JAA01982@garnet.sover.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: IBM List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id JAA25334 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA09973 On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:29:01 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >The OS2 Thinkpad Configuration tools already have this feature. >Its under Suspend/Resume Options. Yes! Thank you! þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 10:02:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10010 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:02:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26490; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:02:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26414; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26399; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:02:03 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax47.vramp.net [198.138.8.110]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA04879; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:01:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Michael W. Godfrey" , Subject: RE: using emergency CD installation on a new HD Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:07:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200004051335.JAA20611@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Michael W. Godfrey [mailto:migod@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca] wrote: > I went ahead and bought an 18G Toshiba HDD for my TP600E. > > > BUT ... when I insert the recovery CD, it starts up then flashes a complaint > of "invalid drive specification" (or something similar -- it disappears too > quickly to be sure), and dumps me at the A: prompt. > > Any ideas what Ive done wrong? Does the emergency CD assume I'm using the > orginal 6Gig HDD? The HD _must_ be partitioned and have the C: drive formatted at 2GB in FAT16. The remainder of the drive can be set as D: of 16GB in FAT32. Once you have reloaded W98 from the recovery CD, you can run the FAT32 conversion utility for the C: partition. Regards, James From cph Wed Apr 5 10:09:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10038 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:09:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27458; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:09:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27379; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27359; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:09:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (207.115.153.21 -> smtppop2.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:09:18 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop2.gte.net with SMTP for ; id JAA10605186 Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:09:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004051409.JAA10605186@smtppop2.gte.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:09:17 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: IBM? List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:14:59 -0500 (GMT) > Is it possible to contact IBM to request a software feature? I'd be interested > to have an option "Don't sustend if LCD is closed" like the one thats in Windoze > but under OS/2. Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have a 600E? I have a 600X and the DOS version of the setup utility which runs under OS/2 has such a choice. I just discovered that if I run the DOS setup utility first, then open the Power object properties, it shows APM 1.1 support. I can also open the battery monitor. I have to open it using the popup menu "Open as" choice initially; after that it opens to the selected default view with a double click. Prior to doing this, I could only get the Properties notebook for the object and it showed APM version 0.0 support. While thinking about this, I noticed that the screen was shutting down after 60 seconds even though the machine was running on AC power. After I ran the setup utility and checked some of the settings, the screen stayed on and is still on. So apparently you have to probe the APM settings by running the setup utility before OS/2 APM is able to recognize the settings. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/05/00, 09:07:36 From cph Wed Apr 5 10:12:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10059 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:12:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27959; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:11:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27790; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27776; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (194.164.19.39 -> bradnet.legend.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:11:34 -0400 Received: by bradnet.legend.co.uk (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id PAA167.54; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:11:33 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:11:32 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Extracting a fix out of IBM for OS/2 Message-ID: <20000405151132.U6987@bradnet.legend.co.uk> References: <4.3.1.0.20000405090916.00d48610@pilot.msu.edu> <200004051329.JAA21433@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: <200004051329.JAA21433@cs.utk.edu>; from sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 04:29:06PM -0500 X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id KAA27959 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA10060 On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 04:29:06PM -0500, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:14:50 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > > >I'm impressed that you were able to get a fix out of them for OS/2, but > >don't expect > >it to happen often in the future. > > i was quite impressed my self! > > >I suppose IBM is stuck doing some supporting of OS/2 still, for any government > >contracts they have that used it. If I'm not mistaken, they'll have to > >support it for > >10 years I think, after some point of stopping selling it (or something > >like that). > > Actualy IBM has a commitment for the next 7 years. Then they will either > review it and continue or drop os/2. > > >At this point I wouldn't do anything new with OS/2. There are too many > >neat and > >free alternatives (OpenBSD, Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, ...) which are ultimately > >more powerful--and have a greater population of folks who can do things > >with it. > > Now you are wrong :) first, IBM wouldn't just drop OS/2, if they did they would > have an alternative, like an OS/2 emulator for AIX or something like that. Second > OS/2 is dead, long live OS/2, yes we've been hearing this for many years but > OS/2 is still here as always. > > OS/2 is not as dead as you think. Maybe IBM doesn't seem to give any real support > but thats not entirely true. Actualy IBM doesn't give any PR/advertisements about > OS/2 any more since they don't think OS/2 will sell that way. Suppost exists, we've > been having new fixpacks every 2-3 months, plus the new OS/2 Warp Server for e-business > and the upcomming OS/2 Warp 5 client thats on beta testing as we speak. > > No, OS/2 is far from dead. You forgot to mention that the v4.5 Warp Client came out this week :-) > PS: > OS/2 is as powerful as any unix system, or more, in my oppinion. > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -- John From cph Wed Apr 5 10:12:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10067 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:12:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27982; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:11:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27830; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27820; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:11:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.4 -> imo14.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:11:46 -0400 Received: from AlanCDane@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id s.b1.2d36f6b (3964); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:11:12 EDT Subject: how does one really UNSUBSCRIBE? HELP!!!!!!!!! To: m.o.davis@gte.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 60 List-Unsubscribe: HOW DOES ONE UNSUBSCRIBE TO THIS GROUP!?????? anyone, please help! From cph Wed Apr 5 10:13:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10077 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:13:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28529; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:13:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28434; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28420; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (147.160.207.10 -> tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:13:16 -0400 Received: from mwl [10.1.2.71] by tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (SMTPD32-6.00) id A94A25D60104; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:10:18 -0400 Message-ID: <008601bf9f21$f9ec18c0$4702010a@blwd.k12.pa.us> From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: "Michael W. Godfrey" , "ThinkPad" References: <200004051335.JAA20611@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: Re: using emergency CD installation on a new HD Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:11:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Aptivas behave in the same way. I replaced my 2.1 GB drive in my E24 Aptiva with an IBM 10 GB drive and was greeted with the same problem. After spending a week on the issue I called IBM support. In short, to prevent illegal copying of the software, the install program checks to see if the same type drive exists in the machine. If it does not, the CD is useless for it's intended purpose. Too bad big blue doesn't package a piece of felt with each harddrive. That way you could glue it to the bottom of the recovery CD to turn it into something useful...like a coaster. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Progress is man's ability to complicate simplicity Mike Lingenfelter Bellwood-Antis School District Science Department Chairperson work # 814-742-2280 x-4209 home# 814-941-0141 personal email mlingen@attglobal.net personal web http://pws.prserv.net/usinet.mlingen/usinet.mlingen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael W. Godfrey" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 6:35 AM Subject: using emergency CD installation on a new HD > > > I went ahead and bought an 18G Toshiba HDD for my TP600E. > > I would like to do a clean install of the original (Win98) software from > the emergency disk rather than a drive copy -- my old HDD has lots of junk, > including an aborted install of NT4 that I don't wish to keep. > > My idea was to use the emergency CDROM to reinstall everything (Win98 plus > TP specific goodies), then get updated TP drivers, re-install my apps, and > then move over the (relatively small amount) of personal data that I > have already copied onto my desktop machine. > > BUT ... when I insert the recovery CD, it starts up then flashes a complaint > of "invalid drive specification" (or something similar -- it disappears too > quickly to be sure), and dumps me at the A: prompt. > > Any ideas what Ive done wrong? Does the emergency CD assume I'm using the > orginal 6Gig HDD? > > For "fun" I went ahead and did a small Linux installation and got it all > working fine, so the drive seems OK. > > Any hints greatly appreciated! > > -- Mike G. > From cph Wed Apr 5 10:20:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10123 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:20:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29552; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:19:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29451; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:19:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29429; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:19:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (207.115.153.20 -> smtppop1.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:19:28 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop1.gte.net with SMTP for ; id JAA10568874 Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:18:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004051418.JAA10568874@smtppop1.gte.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:19:25 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: pcmcia modem List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:11:54 -0500 (GMT) > Because the internal software modem of my 600E runs at 33.6 speed under OS/2 > and it has no stability at all (os/2 has trapped because of the modem driver four > times already), i'm interested to find a pcmcia modem (56k) that works under > OS/2. Could anyone please suggest some? Which version of the driver are you using? I use the version 5.36B driver from the mdltitos.exe disk image from the Thinkpad support web site and have had no problems with it. I've never gotten any faster than 26.4k from work with any modem, so the speed limitation isn't a problem. My PC card modem is a Hayes Optima 56K upgraded to v.90. I get connections of 41-46k from my house. The modem is discontinued since Hayes folded a couple of years ago. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/05/00, 09:19:23 From cph Wed Apr 5 10:22:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10133 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:22:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00070; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:21:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29976; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29962; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:21:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id KAA10185; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:21:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:21:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: AlanCDane@aol.com cc: m.o.davis@gte.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: how does one really UNSUBSCRIBE? 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 AlanCDane@aol.com wrote: > HOW DOES ONE UNSUBSCRIBE TO THIS GROUP!?????? anyone, please help! > Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:09:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar To: AlanCDane@aol.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: unsubscribe On Mon, 3 Apr 2000 AlanCDane@aol.com wrote: > unsubscribe > In order to List-Unsubscribe: mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Have a nice day, Bruce Komar From cph Wed Apr 5 10:27:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10160 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:27:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00987; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:27:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00846; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00832; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:27:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:27:13 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-16.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.16]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA27903 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000405103321.013db610@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 10:33:21 -0700 To: "thinkpad" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Extracting a fix out of IBM for OS/2 In-Reply-To: <200004051329.JAA21433@cs.utk.edu> References: <4.3.1.0.20000405090916.00d48610@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA10161 Suffice it to say that the market momentum and any future, potential, meaningful growth is absolutely and clearly not in OS/2's favor nor corner. Expect it to have it's tiny marketshare and appeal to a certain segment of the industry and that's about it. :) It's not dead, but to say it's lacking the zest needed to dominate the marketplace is an understatement. Of course there will continue to be fans and actual, meaningful users though... ...of course this applies to the Amiga and Macintosh too! >;-P At 04:29 PM 04/05/2000 -0500, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:14:50 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > >>I'm impressed that you were able to get a fix out of them for OS/2, but >>don't expect >>it to happen often in the future. > >i was quite impressed my self! > >>I suppose IBM is stuck doing some supporting of OS/2 still, for any government >>contracts they have that used it. If I'm not mistaken, they'll have to >>support it for >>10 years I think, after some point of stopping selling it (or something >>like that). > >Actualy IBM has a commitment for the next 7 years. Then they will either >review it and continue or drop os/2. > >>At this point I wouldn't do anything new with OS/2. There are too many >>neat and >>free alternatives (OpenBSD, Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, ...) which are ultimately >>more powerful--and have a greater population of folks who can do things >>with it. > >Now you are wrong :) first, IBM wouldn't just drop OS/2, if they did they would >have an alternative, like an OS/2 emulator for AIX or something like that. Second >OS/2 is dead, long live OS/2, yes we've been hearing this for many years but >OS/2 is still here as always. > >OS/2 is not as dead as you think. Maybe IBM doesn't seem to give any real support >but thats not entirely true. Actualy IBM doesn't give any PR/advertisements about >OS/2 any more since they don't think OS/2 will sell that way. Suppost exists, we've >been having new fixpacks every 2-3 months, plus the new OS/2 Warp Server for e-business >and the upcomming OS/2 Warp 5 client thats on beta testing as we speak. > >No, OS/2 is far from dead. > >PS: >OS/2 is as powerful as any unix system, or more, in my oppinion. > >þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ >þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Apr 5 10:37:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10192 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:37:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02126; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:36:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01892; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01843; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (194.164.19.39 -> bradnet.legend.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:36:34 -0400 Received: by bradnet.legend.co.uk (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id PAA167.94; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:36:33 +0100 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:36:31 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Extracting a fix out of IBM for OS/2 Message-ID: <20000405153631.V6987@bradnet.legend.co.uk> References: <4.3.1.0.20000405090916.00d48610@pilot.msu.edu> <200004051329.JAA21433@cs.utk.edu> <3.0.6.32.20000405103321.013db610@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000405103321.013db610@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net>; from Mark Bell on Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 10:33:21AM -0700 X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 10:33:21AM -0700, Mark Bell wrote: > Suffice it to say that the market momentum and any future, > potential, meaningful growth is absolutely and clearly not in > OS/2's favor nor corner. Expect it to have it's tiny marketshare > and appeal to a certain segment of the industry and that's > about it. :) It's not dead, but to say it's lacking the zest > needed to dominate the marketplace is an understatement. Of course > there will continue to be fans and actual, meaningful users though... > > ...of course this applies to the Amiga and Macintosh too! >;-P Who knows what will happen if/when Microsoft is split up...? One of the terms of a break up and creation of an apps division may mean they are forced to develop MS Office for alternative platforms. A lot of people moved from OS/2 just to run Office. Who's to say they wouldn't move back? -- John From cph Wed Apr 5 10:37:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10196 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:37:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02190; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:36:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01825; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01811; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004051436.KAA01811@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:36:25 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-r217.otenet.gr [212.205.255.217]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TCDV; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:36:00 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:36:21 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004051409.JAA10605186@smtppop2.gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: IBM? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id KAA02190 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA10197 On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:09:17, m.o.davis@gte.net wrote: >Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't you have a 600E? I have a 600X and the DOS yes i've got a 600E. btw whats the difference with the 600X? >version of the setup utility which runs under OS/2 has such a choice. I just >discovered that if I run the DOS setup utility first, then open the Power >object properties, it shows APM 1.1 support. I can also open the battery >monitor. I have to open it using the popup menu "Open as" choice initially; >after that it opens to the selected default view with a double click. Prior to >doing this, I could only get the Properties notebook for the object and it >showed APM version 0.0 support. The properties of the battery meter show APM version 1.2 here. I don't use the DOS util because i've disabled DOS support under OS/2 by the option "PROTECTONLY=YES" in the config.sys Not to worry about it, since the ThinkPad setup program for OS/2 has the option that i'm looking for, some nice person told me where to find it. >While thinking about this, I noticed that the screen was shutting down after >60 seconds even though the machine was running on AC power. After I ran the >setup utility and checked some of the settings, the screen stayed on and is >still on. >So apparently you have to probe the APM settings by running the setup utility >before OS/2 APM is able to recognize the settings. hmm works fine here. btw there is a small problem with the APM.SYS driver and warp4, there is some info about it in fixpack13. I'm using WSeB. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 11:04:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA10328 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:04:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05155; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:01:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04694; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04680; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004051500.LAA04680@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:00:55 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-r217.otenet.gr [212.205.255.217]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TCD7; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:00:29 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:56:40 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004051418.JAA10568874@smtppop1.gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pcmcia modem List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id LAA05155 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA10329 On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:19:25, m.o.davis@gte.net wrote: >Which version of the driver are you using? I use the version 5.36B driver from >the mdltitos.exe disk image from the Thinkpad support web site and have had no >problems with it. I've never gotten any faster than 26.4k from work with any >modem, so the speed limitation isn't a problem. I run the "Version information" icon from the "Communications for OS/2" folder, and it says: Model Release 2.37 ThinkPad WorldWide Modem OEMOS2SWT22 Build 22 I think that the 600E has a Lucent modem which uses different drivers. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 11:14:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA10375 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:14:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06191; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:12:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05987; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:12:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05974; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:12:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (207.115.153.20 -> smtppop1.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:12:53 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop1.gte.net with SMTP for ; id KAA10527451 Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:12:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004051512.KAA10527451@smtppop1.gte.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:12:51 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: IBM? List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:36:21 -0500 (GMT) > yes i've got a 600E. btw whats the difference with the 600X? I'm not sure but I think it's just processor speed. I have a PIII 500 in mine. > the ThinkPad setup program for OS/2 has the > option that i'm looking for, some nice person told me where to find it. Where? > there is a small problem with the APM.SYS driver and > warp4, there is some info about it in fixpack13. I'm using WSeB. I just downloaded FP13. Don't have WSeB. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/05/00, 10:12:50 From cph Wed Apr 5 11:36:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA10496 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:36:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08251; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:35:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07912; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.infoave.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07898; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.infoave.net (165.166.0.27 -> smtp02.InfoAve.Net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:35:03 -0400 Received: from dial-36.r6.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net ("port 1056"@[207.144.129.178]) by SMTP00.InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.2-33 #38709) with SMTP id <01JNVITL40V895NXA2@SMTP00.InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:34:17 EDT Received: by dial-36.r6.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net with Microsoft Mail id <01BF9EF3.0FC259E0@dial-36.r6.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net>; Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:35:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:16:52 -0400 From: Stan Jacobs Subject: RE: 755cd NT4 To: "'Rob Bell'" , skunberggoldengatenet , thinkpadcsutkedu Message-id: <01BF9EF3.0FC259E0@dial-36.r6.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA10497 This is correct, but if you already have Win 95 installed you may get a message about windows cutting off something to protect your long filenames and then halting. In that case you will have to use the boot floppies. Stan Jacobs ---------- From: Rob Bell[SMTP:rbell1@netscape.net] Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 2:08 PM To: skunberg@goldengate.net; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755cd NT4 If your 755 supports booting from the CD, then just instert the NT install CD and boot to it. You won't need floppies. If not... Boot to the current OS and copy the \I386 directory from the NT install CD to the C: drive. Then run the WINNT.EXE program in the c:\I386 directory. I don't think you even need the boot floppies to install this way, but I could be wrong. You may need to start WINNT.EXE with the /B command line switch to tell it to skip floppies (it's been a long time since I've done this). Good luck. Rob wrote: > Hi, I have a 755cd that the floppy drive or the cd drive may be > installed but not both. I got a 1 gig HD with bare DOS 5.0 on it and would > like to install a OEM version of NT 4.0. The OEM version of NT comes with > 3 floppy's, a cd and a second cd with 3.0 service pack. How do I install > this OS without being able to have both drives in? Thank's in advance > for the insight!!! > Brian Skunberg ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Wed Apr 5 11:36:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA10500 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:36:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08243; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:34:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07800; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07786; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004051534.LAA07786@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:34:46 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-r217.otenet.gr [212.205.255.217]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TC1B; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:34:24 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:34:10 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004051512.KAA10527451@smtppop1.gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: IBM? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id LAA08243 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA10501 On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:12:51, m.o.davis@gte.net wrote: >> yes i've got a 600E. btw whats the difference with the 600X? >I'm not sure but I think it's just processor speed. I have a PIII 500 in mine. Mine is a 366 pii, do you know if its upgradable? >> the ThinkPad setup program for OS/2 has the >> option that i'm looking for, some nice person told me where to find it. > >Where? Load your ThinkPad configuration, then click on "Power Management" (its the icon with the battery on the right) then click on "Hibernation" (its the middle icon with the cylinder). And a window comes up named "Suspend/Resume options" and the option that you want is at the top. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 11:45:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA10559 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:45:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09402; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:43:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09246; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09231; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (208.203.130.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:43:12 -0400 Received: from xpool93.acunet.net (xpool93.acunet.net [208.208.7.93]) by acunet.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA27395; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004051542.LAA27395@acunet.net> From: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:40:48 -0500 Reply-To: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: IBM? List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA10560 On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:14:59 -0500 (GMT), sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >Is it possible to contact IBM to request a software feature? I'd be interested >to have an option "Don't sustend if LCD is closed" like the one thats in Windoze >but under OS/2. I sent a reply to the list that I thought addressed this for you, but maybe you missed it in all the traffic. I'll see that this goes to your email address as well as the list address... ====previous reply==== You do have the OS/2 Thinkpad configuration program installed on your 660E correct? If it's similar to the configuration program I have for my 770 you'll find the option under Power management | Hibernation. Among the Suspend/Hibernation options is "Will not suspend even if LCD is closed". ===================== This is what you are looking for isn't it? If you don't have the OS/2 Thinkpad configuration program you can get it from the Thinkpad device driver matrix found under the support section of the Thinkpad web page. Hope this helps. Jeff > >þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ >þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > > From cph Wed Apr 5 11:52:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA10594 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:52:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10632; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:52:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10514; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10501; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:52:07 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-13.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.13]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA01763 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000405115809.013dbab0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:58:09 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Extracting a fix out of IBM for OS/2 In-Reply-To: <20000405153631.V6987@bradnet.legend.co.uk> References: <3.0.6.32.20000405103321.013db610@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <4.3.1.0.20000405090916.00d48610@pilot.msu.edu> <200004051329.JAA21433@cs.utk.edu> <3.0.6.32.20000405103321.013db610@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:36 PM 04/05/2000 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >On Wed, Apr 05, 2000 at 10:33:21AM -0700, Mark Bell wrote: >> Suffice it to say that the market momentum and any future, >> potential, meaningful growth is absolutely and clearly not in >> OS/2's favor nor corner. Expect it to have it's tiny marketshare >> and appeal to a certain segment of the industry and that's >> about it. :) It's not dead, but to say it's lacking the zest >> needed to dominate the marketplace is an understatement. Of course >> there will continue to be fans and actual, meaningful users though... >> >> ...of course this applies to the Amiga and Macintosh too! >;-P > >Who knows what will happen if/when Microsoft is split up...? > >One of the terms of a break up and creation of an apps division >may mean they are forced to develop MS Office for alternative platforms. >A lot of people moved from OS/2 just to run Office. Who's to say >they wouldn't move back? Who's to say the moon won't crash into the planet? :) Perhaps if/when M$ splits up, it will actually make them more dominant? Who's to say that on it's own, the OS division won't be even more business savvy and lock down the market more? Who's to say there won't be unspoken alliances? Who's to say this is the moment of Linux's uprising? Who's to say anything? :) The outcome could easily swing either way if we want to speculate. :) In reference to M$, I don't see any real, meaningful consequences being handed down immediately. I agree with their competitors in that the market moves MUCH faster than the judicial process for anti-trust cases. Immediate sanctions need to be imposed to stem the flow whilst a clear sentence is derived to punish M$. If the process drags out for a few years (if not more), that's a lifetime in the tech market.... Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Apr 5 11:55:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA10604 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:55:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11054; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:55:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10976; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10963; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:55:28 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-13.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.13]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA03675 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000405120110.013dfa90@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:01:10 -0700 To: "thinkpad" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: IBM? In-Reply-To: <200004051534.LAA07786@cs.utk.edu> References: <200004051512.KAA10527451@smtppop1.gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:34 PM 04/05/2000 -0500, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:12:51, m.o.davis@gte.net wrote: > >>> yes i've got a 600E. btw whats the difference with the 600X? >>I'm not sure but I think it's just processor speed. I have a PIII 500 in mine. > >Mine is a 366 pii, do you know if its upgradable? I think we discussed this previous in the list. Basically, your unit uses an Intel MMC-1 or MMC-2 package for the CPU. Technically, you could swap out the P2-366 module and snap in a P2-400 module, but that's about it, since the P3 module is sufficiently different enough that it isn't upgradable along that path. If I happen to luck upon an MMC package (P2-400), I have no hesitations ripping apart a 770E I have in storage and experimenting. I wouldn't be so brash with our 770z's. :) Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Apr 5 12:23:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA10963 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:23:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14370; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:23:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14263; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firefly.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14250; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firefly.cisco.com (171.69.63.22 -> firefly.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:23:01 -0400 Received: from tricent (rtp-cr41-dhcp-186.cisco.com [161.44.41.186]) by firefly.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA08017 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:22:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tony Rice" To: "Thinpad Mailing List" Subject: External Monitor desktop area Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:24:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I've got a Thinkpad 600E 2645-8BU and the port replicator running WinNT 4.0 SP5. The maximum desktop area I can get on the external monitor is 1024x768 without dropping to 256 colors and 60 hz (yuck!). Is there anyway to get the desktop area up to 1280x1024 or is it a limitation of the video chipset? From cph Wed Apr 5 12:27:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA11007 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:27:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14917; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:27:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14829; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14815; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.35 -> out5.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:27:01 -0400 Received: from GREGORYZEQXR4X ([129.37.184.177]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <2000040516264324301krss3e>; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:26:44 +0000 From: "Gregory Harris" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: pcmcia modem Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 09:27:31 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000404234037.04a26100@127.0.0.1> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I'll second the Xircom recommendation! I have a Xircom combination Ethernet and 56K modem that works beautifully under 98/Win2K and (Corel) Linux. As an aside the automated setup of Corel Linux loaded perfectly first time on my 770X, including setup of X! I ended up buying this after I gave up trying to get the latest distribution of RedHat running on the laptop. Note that 5.x versions all worked fine. With respect to RedHat though, a new Bios was released for the 770 just a few days ago and one of the patches mentioned not being able to load Linux. I wonder... Cheers, Greg Harris -----Original Message----- From: David Goldman [mailto:David@dgoldman.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 11:42 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: pcmcia modem At 07:11 AM 4/5/2000 , sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >Because the internal software modem of my 600E runs at 33.6 speed under OS/2 >and it has no stability at all (os/2 has trapped because of the modem driver four >times already), i'm interested to find a pcmcia modem (56k) that works under >OS/2. Could anyone please suggest some? XIRCOM has a line of 56K modems that work well under Windows (9x, NT) and OS/2 (Warp 4). They are expensive, but they do work well and DON'T need a "dongle" or other specialty cable to connect to the real world. -- David Goldman From cph Wed Apr 5 12:32:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA11038 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:32:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15587; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:32:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15510; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15496; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:31:57 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.12.185]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000405163154.WWUY27191.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:31:54 +0000 Message-ID: <004c01bf9f1c$73bf97e0$b90c4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Windows CE, Palm stomps MicroSoft! Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 11:31:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. MicroSoft, the redwood giant, is really upset. Windows CE, the OS intended to compete with 3com / Palm computing has done VERY poorly. Microsoft has decided to make the development kit available at a good price, and is considering cutting the cost of the OS. Sounds a lot like " Browser wars " all over again. From cph Wed Apr 5 13:31:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA11482 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:31:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20432; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:30:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20223; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20206; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004051729.NAA20206@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:29:51 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-e149.otenet.gr [212.205.247.149]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TC1X; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:29:16 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:28:56 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004051542.LAA27395@acunet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: IBM? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id NAA20432 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA11483 On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 11:40:48 -0500, Jeffrey D Grinnell wrote: >I sent a reply to the list that I thought addressed this for you, but >maybe you missed it in all the traffic. I'll see that this goes to >your email address as well as the list address... sorry i must have missed it, yes thats what i was looking for, thank you! þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 13:34:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA11507 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:34:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20939; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:33:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20837; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:33:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20821; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004051733.NAA20821@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 13:33:46 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-e149.otenet.gr [212.205.247.149]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TC15; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:33:21 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:33:09 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: External Monitor desktop area List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id NAA20939 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA11508 On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:24:56 -0400, Tony Rice wrote: >I've got a Thinkpad 600E 2645-8BU and the port replicator running WinNT 4.0 >SP5. The maximum desktop area I can get on the external monitor is 1024x768 >without dropping to 256 colors and 60 hz (yuck!). Is there anyway to get >the desktop area up to 1280x1024 or is it a limitation of the video chipset? I've got a 600E too 2645-something and i have the same limitation, it seems its a limitation in the hardware. Although the NM2200 chipset spec says it can go up to 1024x768x32 at 75hz, but i haven't confirmed it yet, i'll have to check on NeoLogic's website. I know its rather pathetic, makes the external monitor practicaly impossible to use. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 15:56:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA12614 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:56:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04673; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:55:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04466; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04450; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:55:10 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA03483 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:55:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38EB99D6.CF47EB82@stanford.edu> Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:53:58 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: External Monitor desktop area References: <200004051733.NAA20821@cs.utk.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id PAA04673 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA12615 The built-in video on Thinkpads (some 770-type machines excepted) cannot drive two different monitors. What this means is that the video output on the port is EXACTLY the same (before A/D conversion) as the one sent to the internal display. LCDs apparently refresh at 60hz, or at least report that they do (maybe they just return a dummy value and do their own stuff). In any case this means that as long as the internal display is active, the external display is locked to the same resolution as the internal display. On my 560X when I hook an external display up I am limited to a physical resolution of 800x600, 60hz. Once the internal display is disabled and the system restarted I can choose a range of resolutions on the external monitor - I have used it at true 1024x768 resolution, 75hz. Much better. I would presume that on a 600 series machine you would also be able to go to whatever resolutions the monitor actually supports. Of course if the video chip is limited to 1024x768 as noted below, that's the highest you'll ever go. The big plus is that disabling the internal displays allows a much higher refresh rate on the external monitor. I personally find it a big improvement as it lessens my eye fatigue. Benjamin "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." wrote: > > On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 12:24:56 -0400, Tony Rice wrote: > > >I've got a Thinkpad 600E 2645-8BU and the port replicator running WinNT 4.0 > >SP5. The maximum desktop area I can get on the external monitor is 1024x768 > >without dropping to 256 colors and 60 hz (yuck!). Is there anyway to get > >the desktop area up to 1280x1024 or is it a limitation of the video chipset? > > I've got a 600E too 2645-something and i have the same limitation, it seems its > a limitation in the hardware. > > Although the NM2200 chipset spec says it can go up to 1024x768x32 at 75hz, but > i haven't confirmed it yet, i'll have to check on NeoLogic's website. > > I know its rather pathetic, makes the external monitor practicaly impossible to use. > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -- Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Wed Apr 5 16:40:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA12986 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:40:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08256; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:39:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08092; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08072; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004052039.QAA08072@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:39:15 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-r232.otenet.gr [212.205.255.232]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TCF6; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 15:38:12 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 20:39:22 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000405120110.013dfa90@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: IBM? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id QAA08256 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA12987 On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:01:10 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: >I think we discussed this previous in the list. Basically, your unit oh sorry i must have missed a few emails :( >uses an Intel MMC-1 or MMC-2 package for the CPU. Technically, you >could swap out the P2-366 module and snap in a P2-400 module, but >that's about it, since the P3 module is sufficiently different >enough that it isn't upgradable along that path. >If I happen to luck upon an MMC package (P2-400), I have no >hesitations ripping apart a 770E I have in storage and >experimenting. I wouldn't be so brash with our 770z's. :) k so if i ever needed to upgrade, i could only go upto p2-400. but is this an official upgrade or just a hack that i have to do myself? (soldering etc) If its easy to do then maybe i'll try to find some 'spare parts' of these. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 17:44:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA13563 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:44:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13355; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:42:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13186; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13172; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:42:45 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-18.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.18]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA05306 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000405174159.013dbab0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:41:59 -0700 To: "thinkpad" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: IBM? In-Reply-To: <200004052039.QAA08072@cs.utk.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.20000405120110.013dfa90@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:39 PM 04/05/2000 -0500, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:01:10 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: >>uses an Intel MMC-1 or MMC-2 package for the CPU. Technically, you >>could swap out the P2-366 module and snap in a P2-400 module, but >>that's about it, since the P3 module is sufficiently different >>enough that it isn't upgradable along that path. >>If I happen to luck upon an MMC package (P2-400), I have no >>hesitations ripping apart a 770E I have in storage and >>experimenting. I wouldn't be so brash with our 770z's. :) > >k so if i ever needed to upgrade, i could only go upto p2-400. > >but is this an official upgrade or just a hack that i have to do myself? (soldering etc) >If its easy to do then maybe i'll try to find some 'spare parts' of these. No, the module snaps in and out as a whole. No soldering required. Your task would be to disassemble the machine and then reassemble it properly. :) I'm surprised IBM doesn't offer this potential, easy upgrade to Thinkpad owners. I'm sure 770E owners would love to jump from a P2-266 to a P2-400. :) ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Apr 5 17:50:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA13622 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:50:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14047; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:50:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13967; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13954; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:50:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (207.115.153.22 -> smtppop3.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:50:25 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop3.gte.net with SMTP for ; id QAA10465459 Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:50:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004052150.QAA10465459@smtppop3.gte.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:50:24 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: IBM? List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Wed, 05 Apr 2000 18:34:10 -0500 (GMT) > Mine is a 366 pii, do you know if its upgradable? Not sure. > Load your ThinkPad configuration I don't have one of those. When I went looking for that at the IBM site, I was directed to download and install the DOS program. I'll have another look tomorrow. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/05/00, 16:50:22 From cph Wed Apr 5 17:51:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA13630 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:51:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14303; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:51:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14150; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14134; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:51:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (207.115.153.22 -> smtppop3.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:51:12 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop3.gte.net with SMTP for ; id QAA10831238 Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:51:02 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004052151.QAA10831238@smtppop3.gte.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:51:10 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: pcmcia modem List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Wed, 05 Apr 2000 17:56:40 -0500 (GMT) > I think that the 600E has a Lucent modem which uses different drivers. The modem in the 600X is also a Lucent Winmodem, but it may be different from yours. I tried the beta driver that is on hobbes and it doesn't work with my modem but someone reported success using it with the modem in an i-series machine. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/05/00, 16:47:27 From cph Wed Apr 5 17:53:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA13646 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:53:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14759; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:52:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14681; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14644; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:52:52 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA16559; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:52:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Michael W. Godfrey" , Subject: RE: using emergency CD installation on a new HD Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:52:50 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200004051335.JAA20611@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Mike G to Mike G: It sounds like James' solution ought to take care of it for you. In case it doesn't, here's another approach that will work. Use the restore CD to refresh the original 6.4Gb drive. Then use Partition Magic, Drive Copy, Drive Image, or Ghost to copy the fresh 2Gb C: partition from the 6.4Gb drive to the new 18Gb drive. You will need the Ultraslimbay 2nd HDD Adapter to do this, but now that you have two hard drives, that's a part you want to have anyway. You can get Ghost from www.ghost.com, or any of the other three products I mentioned from www.powerquest.com. There is a 15-day free trial version of the Corporate edition of Ghost; don't know about free trials on the PowerQuest products. -Mike > I went ahead and bought an 18G Toshiba HDD for my TP600E. > > I would like to do a clean install of the original (Win98) software from > the emergency disk rather than a drive copy -- my old HDD has > lots of junk, > including an aborted install of NT4 that I don't wish to keep. > > My idea was to use the emergency CDROM to reinstall everything (Win98 plus > TP specific goodies), then get updated TP drivers, re-install my apps, and > then move over the (relatively small amount) of personal data that I > have already copied onto my desktop machine. > > BUT ... when I insert the recovery CD, it starts up then flashes > a complaint > of "invalid drive specification" (or something similar -- it > disappears too > quickly to be sure), and dumps me at the A: prompt. > > Any ideas what Ive done wrong? Does the emergency CD assume I'm using the > orginal 6Gig HDD? > > For "fun" I went ahead and did a small Linux installation and got it all > working fine, so the drive seems OK. From cph Wed Apr 5 17:55:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA13675 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:55:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15181; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:54:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15073; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15058; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 17:54:41 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA16821; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:54:35 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Stan Jacobs" , "'Rob Bell'" , "skunberggoldengatenet" , "thinkpadcsutkedu" Subject: RE: 755cd NT4 Date: Wed, 5 Apr 2000 14:54:37 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01BF9EF3.0FC259E0@dial-36.r6.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Just use the LOCK command in Win95 and it will take care of that error message. > -----Original Message----- > From: Stan Jacobs [mailto:sjacobs@InfoAve.Net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 8:17 AM > To: 'Rob Bell'; skunberggoldengatenet; thinkpadcsutkedu > Subject: RE: 755cd NT4 > > > This is correct, but if you already have Win 95 installed you may > get a message about windows cutting off something to protect your > long filenames and then halting. In that case you will have to > use the boot floppies. > > Stan Jacobs > > > ---------- > From: Rob Bell[SMTP:rbell1@netscape.net] > Sent: Monday, April 03, 2000 2:08 PM > To: skunberg@goldengate.net; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: 755cd NT4 > > If your 755 supports booting from the CD, then just instert the > NT install CD > and boot to it. You won't need floppies. > > If not... Boot to the current OS and copy the \I386 directory from the NT > install CD to the C: drive. Then run the WINNT.EXE program in the c:\I386 > directory. I don't think you even need the boot floppies to > install this way, > but I could be wrong. You may need to start WINNT.EXE with the /B command > line switch to tell it to skip floppies (it's been a long time > since I've done > this). > > Good luck. > Rob > > wrote: > > Hi, I have a 755cd that the floppy drive or the cd drive may be > > installed but not both. I got a 1 gig HD with bare DOS 5.0 on > it and would > > like to install a OEM version of NT 4.0. The OEM version of NT > comes with > > 3 floppy's, a cd and a second cd with 3.0 service pack. How do I install > > this OS without being able to have both drives in? Thank's in advance > > for the insight!!! > > Brian Skunberg > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com. > > From cph Wed Apr 5 22:10:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA15086 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:10:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29370; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:09:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29069; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29056; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004060209.WAA29056@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:09:25 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n009.otenet.gr [212.205.246.9]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TCH4; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:09:02 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:09:17 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004052151.QAA10831238@smtppop3.gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: pcmcia modem List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id WAA29370 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA15088 On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:51:10, m.o.davis@gte.net wrote: >The modem in the 600X is also a Lucent Winmodem, but it may be different from >yours. I tried the beta driver that is on hobbes and it doesn't work with my >modem but someone reported success using it with the modem in an i-series >machine. I'm wrong, the 600E uses an MWave software modem, nots not Lucent :( þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 5 22:10:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA15087 for ; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:10:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29344; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:09:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29020; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28998; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004060209.WAA28998@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Apr 2000 22:09:05 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n009.otenet.gr [212.205.246.9]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 22B5TCHS; Wed, 5 Apr 2000 21:08:18 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:08:20 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004052150.QAA10465459@smtppop3.gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: IBM? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id WAA29344 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA15090 On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:50:24, m.o.davis@gte.net wrote: >I don't have one of those. When I went looking for that at the IBM site, I was >directed to download and install the DOS program. I'll have another look >tomorrow. There should be a pulldown list to choose what kind of software you want, there is an "OS/2" option, and when you choose it, all the files in the list are for os/2 only. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Thu Apr 6 01:35:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA15979 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:35:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08543; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:34:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08424; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08411; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:34:04 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-14.gate.net [207.36.212.14]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA151014; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 01:33:42 -0400 Message-ID: <38EC21C7.657E532F@gate.net> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 01:33:59 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber CC: "Thinkpad Maillist (E-mail)" Subject: Re: A warning about 2.5 to 3.5 inch Hard Drive adapters References: <200003301616.LAA13765@mail6.magma.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Apricorn (and others) have pcmcia IDE ports.. Apricorn even ships a case for an external HDD.. Andrew Webber wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, 29 Mar 2000 21:17:29 -1000 (HST), Vincent Poy wrote: > > >It would be neat if there was a way to hook up a 3.5" HDD > >to a 2.5" system =) > > ...SCSI? ;) > > Seriously, someone mentioned a way to put a 2.5" drive onto the > parallel port. Apart from the big speed hit, is that practical? > I've got three HDs now (10, 6, 4) and I wouldn't mind putting the 4 > (with my CDs ripped to mp3) online with the others, assuming the > parallel port could keep up with streaming the mp3s. > > Alternatively, what about USB? Or SCSI? I have a SCSI external > CD-RW burner and the Adaptec 1450 card (the one with the tethered > cable, claims to support only three devices and not HDs -- but > perhaps an IDE HD would work with the right adapter?) > > TP600 (P266). > > Thanks! > > andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] > - ------ > for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. > > iQA/AwUBOON9S2yNWkS9bbCHEQJdhwCg9HbPFW0S3TWEbaxb40fy3FeaGTQAoID2 > XBBz9G5hi+qNF1j24orV+rbU > =s7XW > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Apr 6 02:05:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA16030 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:05:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09978; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:05:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09889; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09875; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:05:29 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-14.gate.net [207.36.212.14]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA45472; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:05:13 -0400 Message-ID: <38EC2921.48F576B0@gate.net> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 02:05:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: "Michael W. Godfrey" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: using emergency CD installation on a new HD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: OK.. heres my take.. ANY hard drive will take a recovery CD image.. at least up to the 770Z and 600E 400mhz models.. James is correct to a point, but if there is NOTHING on the drive, the recovery process should ask you what you want.. (format only "C:" drive or make and format everything..?) what I do, when i do it, is let it deal with just the first partition, which it will make as a fat16.. then i do the PQ Magic thing to get one huge partition.. (on the 770Z, its one 25gig partition) for ease, i usually keep a virgin, restore image on the LAN and just copy it to the target drive.. Michael Geary wrote: > Mike G to Mike G: > > It sounds like James' solution ought to take care of it for you. In case it > doesn't, here's another approach that will work. Use the restore CD to > refresh the original 6.4Gb drive. Then use Partition Magic, Drive Copy, > Drive Image, or Ghost to copy the fresh 2Gb C: partition from the 6.4Gb > drive to the new 18Gb drive. > > You will need the Ultraslimbay 2nd HDD Adapter to do this, but now that you > have two hard drives, that's a part you want to have anyway. > > You can get Ghost from www.ghost.com, or any of the other three products I > mentioned from www.powerquest.com. There is a 15-day free trial version of > the Corporate edition of Ghost; don't know about free trials on the > PowerQuest products. > > -Mike > > > I went ahead and bought an 18G Toshiba HDD for my TP600E. > > > > I would like to do a clean install of the original (Win98) software from > > the emergency disk rather than a drive copy -- my old HDD has > > lots of junk, > > including an aborted install of NT4 that I don't wish to keep. > > > > My idea was to use the emergency CDROM to reinstall everything (Win98 plus > > TP specific goodies), then get updated TP drivers, re-install my apps, and > > then move over the (relatively small amount) of personal data that I > > have already copied onto my desktop machine. > > > > BUT ... when I insert the recovery CD, it starts up then flashes > > a complaint > > of "invalid drive specification" (or something similar -- it > > disappears too > > quickly to be sure), and dumps me at the A: prompt. > > > > Any ideas what Ive done wrong? Does the emergency CD assume I'm using the > > orginal 6Gig HDD? > > > > For "fun" I went ahead and did a small Linux installation and got it all > > working fine, so the drive seems OK. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Apr 6 02:47:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA16152 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:47:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11692; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:47:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11566; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11553; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:47:07 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-14.gate.net [207.36.212.14]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA25004; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:46:58 -0400 Message-ID: <38EC32E1.12A40343@gate.net> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 02:46:58 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: IBM? References: <200004051534.LAA07786@cs.utk.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id CAA11692 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA16153 Gentlemen... "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." wrote: > On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 10:12:51, m.o.davis@gte.net wrote: > > >> yes i've got a 600E. btw whats the difference with the 600X? > >I'm not sure but I think it's just processor speed. I have a PIII 500 in mine. > 600X series has 100 mhz buss vs. 66mhz buss for 600E series.. 600X is all P-III and the newest are apeed step technology.. > > Mine is a 366 pii, do you know if its upgradable? > not cost effective, IMO.. > > >> the ThinkPad setup program for OS/2 has the > >> option that i'm looking for, some nice person told me where to find it. > > > >Where? > > Load your ThinkPad configuration, then click on "Power Management" (its > the icon with the battery on the right) then click on "Hibernation" (its the > middle icon with the cylinder). And a window comes up named "Suspend/Resume options" > and the option that you want is at the top. > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Apr 6 02:49:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA16168 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:49:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11938; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:49:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11858; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11828; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:49:10 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-14.gate.net [207.36.212.14]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA121904; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 02:49:06 -0400 Message-ID: <38EC3362.9E45BA84@gate.net> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 02:49:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: IBM? References: <200004052039.QAA08072@cs.utk.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id CAA11938 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA16169 open the 600 and do anything that easy serve can detect and its bye-bye warranty.. when someone can make $$ with cpu upgrades for the 600, someone will surely do it.. :-) "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." wrote: > On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 12:01:10 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: > > >I think we discussed this previous in the list. Basically, your unit > > oh sorry i must have missed a few emails :( > > >uses an Intel MMC-1 or MMC-2 package for the CPU. Technically, you > >could swap out the P2-366 module and snap in a P2-400 module, but > >that's about it, since the P3 module is sufficiently different > >enough that it isn't upgradable along that path. > >If I happen to luck upon an MMC package (P2-400), I have no > >hesitations ripping apart a 770E I have in storage and > >experimenting. I wouldn't be so brash with our 770z's. :) > > k so if i ever needed to upgrade, i could only go upto p2-400. > > but is this an official upgrade or just a hack that i have to do myself? (soldering etc) > If its easy to do then maybe i'll try to find some 'spare parts' of these. > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Apr 6 05:05:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA16533 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:05:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19896; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:02:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19666; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19641; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:02:32 -0400 Received: from jeanluc (jeanluc.generics.co.uk [194.216.39.131]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22523; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:02:07 +0100 (BST) Received: from smtpgate2.scigen.co.uk (smtpgate2 [172.20.1.9]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA21560; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:02:03 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: From: Adam Quantrill Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:02:09 +0000 To: "Michael W. Godfrey" , , "Michael Geary" Subject: Re[2]: using emergency CD installation on a new HD MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Gateway /221000000/221020552/0/221110198/222140740/ X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 137e" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA16534 I did a similar thing using Linux to dd the partitions. However the new W95 copy wouldn't boot until I had done a SYS C: from a different W95 partition under DOS. - Adam ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: using emergency CD installation on a new HD Author: MIME:"Michael Geary" at INTERNET Date: 4/5/00 10:57 PM Mike G to Mike G: It sounds like James' solution ought to take care of it for you. In case it doesn't, here's another approach that will work. Use the restore CD to refresh the original 6.4Gb drive. Then use Partition Magic, Drive Copy, Drive Image, or Ghost to copy the fresh 2Gb C: partition from the 6.4Gb drive to the new 18Gb drive. You will need the Ultraslimbay 2nd HDD Adapter to do this, but now that you have two hard drives, that's a part you want to have anyway. You can get Ghost from www.ghost.com, or any of the other three products I mentioned from www.powerquest.com. There is a 15-day free trial version of the Corporate edition of Ghost; don't know about free trials on the PowerQuest products. -Mike > I went ahead and bought an 18G Toshiba HDD for my TP600E. > > I would like to do a clean install of the original (Win98) software from > the emergency disk rather than a drive copy -- my old HDD has > lots of junk, > including an aborted install of NT4 that I don't wish to keep. > > My idea was to use the emergency CDROM to reinstall everything (Win98 plus > TP specific goodies), then get updated TP drivers, re-install my apps, and > then move over the (relatively small amount) of personal data that I > have already copied onto my desktop machine. > > BUT ... when I insert the recovery CD, it starts up then flashes > a complaint > of "invalid drive specification" (or something similar -- it > disappears too > quickly to be sure), and dumps me at the A: prompt. > > Any ideas what Ive done wrong? Does the emergency CD assume I'm using the > orginal 6Gig HDD? > > For "fun" I went ahead and did a small Linux installation and got it all > working fine, so the drive seems OK. ------------------------------------------------------------ Scientific Generics Limited Tel: +44 1223 875200 Harston Mill Fax: +44 1223 875201 Harston http://www.generics.co.uk Cambridge CB2 5NH United Kingdom Registered in England No 2081960 ------------------------------------------------------------ From cph Thu Apr 6 05:15:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA16548 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:15:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20877; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:13:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20231; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20204; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:13:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (149.174.206.155 -> ds-img-rel-2.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:13:39 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id FAA10251 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Sender: m.o.davis@gte.net Received: from smtp.site1.csi.com (dal-tgn-tvm-vty9.as.wcom.net [206.175.227.9]) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with SMTP id FAA10169 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004060913.FAA10169@spdmraab.compuserve.com> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 04:13:09 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: IBM? List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:08:20 -0500 (GMT) > There should be a pulldown list to choose what kind of software you want, there > is an "OS/2" option, and when you choose it, all the files in the list are for os/2 only. Yes, I looked at that. Apparently IBM chose not to develop an OS/2 native config program for the 600X. Oh well; I just applied FP13 and it looks like APM is working now. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/06/00, 04:07:42 From cph Thu Apr 6 05:15:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA16552 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:15:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20881; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:13:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20230; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20203; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:13:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (149.174.206.155 -> ds-img-rel-2.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:13:39 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id FAA10253 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Sender: m.o.davis@gte.net Received: from smtp.site1.csi.com (dal-tgn-tvm-vty9.as.wcom.net [206.175.227.9]) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with SMTP id FAA10173 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 05:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004060913.FAA10173@spdmraab.compuserve.com> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 04:13:12 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: pcmcia modem List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Thu, 06 Apr 2000 05:09:17 -0500 (GMT) > I'm wrong, the 600E uses an MWave software modem, nots not Lucent Yuk. I never was able to get the MWave in my 701c to work under any conditions. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/06/00, 04:09:48 From cph Thu Apr 6 10:20:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA17812 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:20:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10493; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:17:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10213; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0m.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10187; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0m.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.42 -> www0m.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 10:17:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 22228 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Apr 2000 14:17:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000406141755.22227.qmail@www0m.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.42 by www0m for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Thu Apr 6 14:17:55 GMT 2000 Date: 6 Apr 00 09:17:55 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: pcmcia modem X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA17813 "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." wrote: > On Wed, 5 Apr 2000 16:51:10, m.o.davis@gte.net wrote: > > I'm wrong, the 600E uses an MWave software modem, nots not Lucent :( I'm not too sure of that. My wife has a 600E and I don't recall any MWave stuff being used when I set it up. I believe it is the Lucent Winmodem. Maybe different 600Es used different modems... Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Thu Apr 6 12:13:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA18773 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:13:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19715; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:12:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19573; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19558; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004061612.MAA19558@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:12:12 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-f054.otenet.gr [212.205.234.54]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2MB88M8S; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 11:11:31 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 19:11:36 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004060913.FAA10169@spdmraab.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: IBM? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id MAA19715 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA18774 On Thu, 6 Apr 2000 04:13:09, m.o.davis@gte.net wrote: >Yes, I looked at that. Apparently IBM chose not to develop an OS/2 native >config program for the 600X. Oh well; I just applied FP13 and it looks like >APM is working now. You should check the 600 series Download Matrix, i see the only thing that the 600X doesn't have is infrared support for os/2 and the Utility config, but most other drivers can be used from the 600E or 600. http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3TLQ2L.html?lang=en_US&page=brand&brand=IBM+Thi nkPad%7CThinkPad+600E%7C2645%7C8A0&family=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+600E&mach ineType=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+600E%7C2645&model=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+60 0E%7C2645%7C8A0&doctype=Downloadable+files&subtype=All I see that there are some recently updated, which you may find useful if you don't have them already. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Thu Apr 6 14:04:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA19595 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:04:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00345; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:03:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00157; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:03:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00141; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:03:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:03:10 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA05719; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:03:08 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA06128; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000406105921.03015b20@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 11:01:47 -0700 To: "Chuck S." , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? In-Reply-To: <007d01bf9ddc$6a70b340$9ea1aec7@tp1721> References: <4.2.0.58.20000402115747.00a9c100@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 09:20 PM 04/03/2000 -0500, you wrote: >| I think what people object to is that IBM is watering-down their >| ThinkPad brand name with the i-series--that is, the "i's" aren't really >| "worthy" of being called a ThinkPad. Its like Mercedes coming out with a >| $10,000 economy car. They just wouldn't do it--at least if they did, they >| wouldn't give it the Mercedes brand name. "ThinkPad" was a premium line >| name--and it was well-deserved. Somewhere along the road, IBM seems to >| have forgotten that. > >This reminds me of 1993, when Chevrolet dropped a slightly de-tuned Corvette >engine in a Z28 for half the price of the Vette. Boy, that really >pissed-off those Vette owners. As an IBM stockholder, I applaud IBM for >competing with the Dell Inspirion. It's a win-win for everyone, especially >the consumer. Except the more apt analogy in the Thinkpad/i-series comparison would be if Chevrolet just made up another car similar to the Camaro and called it a "Corvette i-series". THAT would piss off Corvette owners because it is *NOT* a Corvette. By the same token, the i's really are *not* ThinkPads, despite that IBM called them such. The only similarity they share is that both machines are black. From cph Thu Apr 6 14:23:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA19715 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:23:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01944; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:22:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01835; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01822; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.112 -> pilot012.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:22:16 -0400 Received: from android.msu.edu (pm453-34.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.188]) by pilot012.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA66332 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 14:22:10 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000406140942.00d0e670@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 14:22:59 -0400 To: TP List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000406105921.03015b20@pop3.iceka1.com> References: <007d01bf9ddc$6a70b340$9ea1aec7@tp1721> <4.2.0.58.20000402115747.00a9c100@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I''ve been collecting people's comments about the i series machines for several days now, but this last comment makes me respond right now. Randy, how can you say that an i series machine isn't a TP? Its made by (or for) or under the control of IBM. It uses the same ram that other TP's use. It uses the same hard disks. CD rom drives, floppies. In short, the i series is simply another branch in the history of IBMs ThinkPad offerenings, no more, no less. To say that the only similarity is that they're both black is nonsense. You may not like the i series--thats a perfectly valid opinion regardless of what I think of it. But trying to differenciate IBMs other offerings from the i series just doesn't make sense. I've worked with the very first TP (a 700c), various 300's, 500's, 770's, a 600 (x and e) and several i series. My problems with IBM are more that *all* models produced lately seem to have more bugs in them--all models. Just as I know of several 770 machines which have worked perfectly I could show you i series that have performed the same. ...I just got a 600x in a week or so ago which was perfect, except for the comma key. ...and had the same problem with an i machine too, about a year earlier. So liking or diskliking the i series units is one thing, but trying to lump them somewhere else just doesn't make much sense to me. --STeve Andre' At 11:01 AM 4/6/00 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: [snip] > Except the more apt analogy in the Thinkpad/i-series comparison > would be if Chevrolet just made up another car similar to the Camaro and > called it a "Corvette i-series". THAT would piss off Corvette owners > because it is *NOT* a Corvette. By the same token, the i's really are > *not* ThinkPads, despite that IBM called them such. The only similarity > they share is that both machines are black. From cph Thu Apr 6 15:03:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA20156 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:03:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06166; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:02:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05971; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05957; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (216.100.248.113) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:02:36 -0400 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcpA.cinnamon.com [192.0.2.138]) by cinnamon.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA28842 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38ECDEAB.BA889B8B@ricochet.net> Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 11:59:55 -0700 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TP List Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? References: <007d01bf9ddc$6a70b340$9ea1aec7@tp1721> <4.2.0.58.20000402115747.00a9c100@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.3.1.0.20000406140942.00d0e670@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id PAA06166 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA20162 I've been reading all of this with great interest. Both halves of my family are sold on Thinkpads when it comes to laptop machines. We have a wide selection of them, from early models all the way through to an 'i', as they were all bought at various times. The only one who has had problems is my mother's, and that's probably because of the abuse it has recieved in Kenya, while she's on her missionary work thing. [failed keyboards, I believe] My father's i14xx feels like a thinkpad -- I am very fussy about my keyboards, as I suffer from RSI. In fact, my 770's keyboard is the first flat keyboard I've been able to use for any length of time in the past four years. I don't have problems with its keyboard or trackpoint. My father's previous machine was a 755cx. To him, his 'i' is better in every way -- faster, more memory, bigger hard drive, built-in DVD-rom, etc. Now that my 770ed has hit its two-year mark, I'm considering replacing it with another TP, although the ability to slap a second battery in for all-day continuous use has great appeal to me, as I'm often mobile and in search of a power outlet once the battery goes flat. I just might keep it. Or, perhaps, I'll just get an i15xx and have at it. I know I'll love the speed improvement and an even larger display. For those of you who hold to the Corvette and i-Corvette [née Camaro] theory, I'd like to hear your comments on the 770 vs 600. After all, the 600 was a more "budget minded" system for the business guys, as opposed to the 770 series, which was meant to be for "power users". Andy Beals Silicon Valley Guy From cph Thu Apr 6 15:51:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA20570 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:51:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10541; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:50:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10319; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sheffield.cnchost.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10303; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sheffield.cnchost.com (207.155.252.12 -> sheffield.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:50:56 -0400 Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by sheffield.cnchost.com id PAA02100; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:50:51 -0400 (EDT) [ConcentricHost SMTP Relay 1.8] Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000406123924.00a9a100@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 12:49:29 -0700 To: Andrew Scott Beals , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? In-Reply-To: <38ECDEAB.BA889B8B@ricochet.net> References: <007d01bf9ddc$6a70b340$9ea1aec7@tp1721> <4.2.0.58.20000402115747.00a9c100@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.3.1.0.20000406140942.00d0e670@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA20571 At 11:59 AM 04/06/2000 -0700, you wrote: >For those of you who hold to the Corvette and i-Corvette [née Camaro] theory, >I'd like to hear your comments on the 770 vs 600. After all, the 600 was a >more "budget minded" system for the business guys, as opposed to the 770 >series, which was meant to be for "power users". Not even close! The 600 was *not* a "budget" 770. It was a "Thin and Light while not sacrificing major features" laptop. To support that argument, I point to the simple fact that there are *no* 770's currently being marketed by IBM and the 600's are now the "top of the line" available. The 770 had only 3 things over the original 600: (1) Video capability (presumably in or out), which is of limited use to most people, (2) Hardware-assisted MPEG playback (now in current versions of the 600), and (3) the largest 14.1" screen with 1280x1024 resolution (600's have a 13.3" screen at XGA). EVERYTHING else the 770 had or did, the 600 matched quite nicely. More importantly, the 600 did it in a form factor that was nearly 2 lbs. *lighter* and 1 inch thinner. There's a lot of us out there that scramble through airports, must have a machine that does more than the ultra-lights are capable of, and yet didn't want a monster brick like the 770. The 600 filled the bill nicely. The 600 is a power user's machine in a portable form factor. The 770 was practically a luggable. A *lot* of 770 users were positively *envious* of the 600 when it came out, and all but the most hard-core "gotta have my big screen" freaks still are. I guarantee you there wouldn't be any envious Corvette owners if an "i-Corvette" came out. The 600 has always been a worthy competitor. From cph Thu Apr 6 15:51:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA20574 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:51:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10573; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:51:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10387; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10370; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:51:16 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id PAA17554; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:51:15 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA24820; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:51:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000406124943.030122d0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 12:49:53 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA20575 At 11:59 AM 04/06/2000 -0700, you wrote: >For those of you who hold to the Corvette and i-Corvette [née Camaro] theory, >I'd like to hear your comments on the 770 vs 600. After all, the 600 was a >more "budget minded" system for the business guys, as opposed to the 770 >series, which was meant to be for "power users". Not even close! The 600 was *not* a "budget" 770. It was a "Thin and Light while not sacrificing major features" laptop. To support that argument, I point to the simple fact that there are *no* 770's currently being marketed by IBM and the 600's are now the "top of the line" available. The 770 had only 3 things over the original 600: (1) Video capability (presumably in or out), which is of limited use to most people, (2) Hardware-assisted MPEG playback (now in current versions of the 600), and (3) the largest 14.1" screen with 1280x1024 resolution (600's have a 13.3" screen at XGA). EVERYTHING else the 770 had or did, the 600 matched quite nicely. More importantly, the 600 did it in a form factor that was nearly 2 lbs. *lighter* and 1 inch thinner. There's a lot of us out there that scramble through airports, must have a machine that does more than the ultra-lights are capable of, and yet didn't want a monster brick like the 770. The 600 filled the bill nicely. The 600 is a power user's machine in a portable form factor. The 770 was practically a luggable. A *lot* of 770 users were positively *envious* of the 600 when it came out, and all but the most hard-core "gotta have my big screen" freaks still are. I guarantee you there wouldn't be any envious Corvette owners if an "i-Corvette" came out. The 600 has always been a worthy competitor. From cph Thu Apr 6 15:58:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA20608 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:58:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11826; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:58:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:57:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11571; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11556; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:57:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:57:10 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id PAA19393; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:57:09 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA27220; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 15:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000406125011.00a9a650@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 12:55:46 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000406140942.00d0e670@pilot.msu.edu> References: <4.2.0.58.20000406105921.03015b20@pop3.iceka1.com> <007d01bf9ddc$6a70b340$9ea1aec7@tp1721> <4.2.0.58.20000402115747.00a9c100@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 02:22 PM 04/06/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Randy, how can you say that an i series machine isn't a TP? Its made by >(or for) or under >the control of IBM. It uses the same ram that other TP's use. It uses >the same hard disks. CD rom drives, floppies. How can you say a Volkswagon isn't a Porsche? The same arguments apply. It just isn't. Compare them side-by-side and you'll see that. The i-series even *feels* chintzy. Its an embarrassment to the ThinkPad line. Its okay if IBM wants to make them and sell them for cheap, just give them a different name to distinguish that fact. Even the plastic casing on the i's reminds me of my kids' toys. >To say that the only similarity is that they're both black is >nonsense. You may not like the >i series--thats a perfectly valid opinion regardless of what I think of >it. But trying to differenciate >IBMs other offerings from the i series just doesn't make sense. Refer to above. Have you compared them--physically--next to each other? No contest. Most owners of a "real" ThinkPad that does so would agree. There's a lot of chintzy cheap laptops out there for me to buy, and the i-series is one of them. Its just sad that they are also called ThinkPads. From cph Thu Apr 6 16:28:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA20818 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:28:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14567; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:27:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14417; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14401; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:27:22 -0400 Received: from dsrv ([216.140.194.66]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29512 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 16:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000406162931.0090c9a0@pop.ziplink.net> X-Sender: drgrant@pop.ziplink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 16:29:31 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Capone Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000406123924.00a9a100@pop3.iceka1.com> References: <38ECDEAB.BA889B8B@ricochet.net> <007d01bf9ddc$6a70b340$9ea1aec7@tp1721> <4.2.0.58.20000402115747.00a9c100@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.3.1.0.20000406140942.00d0e670@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA20819 To be honest, I think the 600 is still a bit of a brick. My 770ED still only "weighs in" at the weight of an average cheapo laptop with a 12.1 in screen, so I'd hardly consider it a luggable, for what it does. A dell I7K is a luggable, nearing around 9 pounds or so. The 600 _is_ lighter, but it's still not a 570 or a 240. Oh, and the 770 with the 1280 x 1024 is 13.7 in, not 14.1, not that it matters much. :) The bottom line is there a lot of us that are p*ssed at IBM for dumping the 770, but oh well, such is life. It's all good anyways, >from the 240 to the 600 to the 770, you got the computer-built-around the best keyboard. That's mainly what I bought my TP for, and I'd probably be happy with any one of them, just because of the keyboard, screen, and hard disk. Everything else is kinda so-so, but the stuff I mentioned outweighs all that by a mile. -Mike At 12:49 PM 4/6/00 -0700, you wrote: >At 11:59 AM 04/06/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>For those of you who hold to the Corvette and i-Corvette [née Camaro] theory, >>I'd like to hear your comments on the 770 vs 600. After all, the 600 was a >>more "budget minded" system for the business guys, as opposed to the 770 >>series, which was meant to be for "power users". > > Not even close! > > The 600 was *not* a "budget" 770. It was a "Thin and Light while >not sacrificing major features" laptop. To support that argument, I point >to the simple fact that there are *no* 770's currently being marketed by >IBM and the 600's are now the "top of the line" available. > > The 770 had only 3 things over the original 600: (1) Video >capability (presumably in or out), which is of limited use to most people, >(2) Hardware-assisted MPEG playback (now in current versions of the 600), >and (3) the largest 14.1" screen with 1280x1024 resolution (600's have a >13.3" screen at XGA). EVERYTHING else the 770 had or did, the 600 matched >quite nicely. > > More importantly, the 600 did it in a form factor that was nearly >2 lbs. *lighter* and 1 inch thinner. There's a lot of us out there that >scramble through airports, must have a machine that does more than the >ultra-lights are capable of, and yet didn't want a monster brick like the >770. The 600 filled the bill nicely. The 600 is a power user's machine in >a portable form factor. The 770 was practically a luggable. > > A *lot* of 770 users were positively *envious* of the 600 when it >came out, and all but the most hard-core "gotta have my big screen" freaks >still are. I guarantee you there wouldn't be any envious Corvette owners >if an "i-Corvette" came out. The 600 has always been a worthy competitor. > > > From cph Thu Apr 6 17:32:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA21409 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:32:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20032; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:31:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19831; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19818; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:31:26 -0400 Received: from Hades ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA18749 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: "'TP List'" Subject: RE: i Series horror stories? Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 17:32:20 -0500 Message-ID: <001101bfa017$f97d65a0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000406125011.00a9a650@pop3.iceka1.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I'll have to agree with Randy on this one. The i-Series feels like those modular laptops where the manufacturer purchases a CPU from list "A" and a hard drive >from list "B" etc. and then the box is assembled. They flex slightly when you lift them up. this doesn't make them a bad box - no more than my Dell Latitude. But a couple of styling cues (black with a track point) don't make a TP. I bought a TP because I honestly believed IBM was taking my (and everyone else's) extra cash and using it to create a technically superior product line. Then one day some corporate whiz kid at IBM had a bright idea: "Everyone wants a TP, so let's leverage that reputation to offer a value line of laptops that look like Thinkpads. We'll have to cut costs to make price point (R&D, service) but market research tells us we'll sell a bunch of them. Waddaya think?" I've been to a couple of corporate meetings like this over the years, and I've heard the marketing pitch. I just want to know who the man or woman is who listened to marketing and said "yes", and if they are also listening to us. After all, it was you and I that tried the product first, and then convinced everyone else the Thinkpads are the best. Mark > >To say that the only similarity is that they're both black is > >nonsense. You may not like the i series--thats a perfectly > >valid opinion regardless of what I think of > >it. But trying to differentiate > >IBMs other offerings from the i series just doesn't make sense. > > Refer to above. Have you compared them--physically--next to each > other? No contest. Most owners of a "real" ThinkPad that does so would agree. From cph Thu Apr 6 19:00:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA22076 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:00:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25843; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:59:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25681; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25662; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:59:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:59:18 -0400 Received: from user-38ld5ft.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld5ft.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.149.253]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA28744; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004062259.SAA28744@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "STeve Andre'" , "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 07:04:09 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000405090916.00d48610@pilot.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Extracting a fix out of IBM for OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: Funny, but IBM has just released FixPak #13 for the supposedly "dead" OS. And it is more robust than ever. I keep hearing rumors that IBM will release a new client version to better match its new server version, but we will have to wait and see. I don't use doze9x except through force, but OS/2 is easily compatible with NT, at least for 3.5 and 4.0. I have no experience with the newer version of NT. Hopefully it is better than the other ones. The free alternatives you mentioned may be cool, but mainly they are for nerds. I don't think the mainstream is ready to support a linux box that has almost no drivers and fewer applications. Cool yes, market ready, no, not even for free. And what non-tech corporation is going to load a "free" server OS with NO tech support? And isn't Red Hat in the GUI versilon growing as bloated as dose? I guess I am satisfied with OS/2. Don't really care that much what happens since it does all I need and much much more and almost never even hiccups, much less crash. When I first loaded Warp4, it was doing VTD on a pentium83, heh, one of those stick-in socket upgrades for a 486 mother board. Allan Ballard On Wed, 05 Apr 2000 09:14:50 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >I'm impressed that you were able to get a fix out of them for OS/2, but >don't expect >it to happen often in the future. As good as it was in its heyday, OS/2 >has no future >whatsoever. Microsoft saw to that when they changed enough ot the internals of >Win 95 such that OS/2 couldn't deal with it. > >I suppose IBM is stuck doing some supporting of OS/2 still, for any government >contracts they have that used it. If I'm not mistaken, they'll have to >support it for >10 years I think, after some point of stopping selling it (or something >like that). > >At this point I wouldn't do anything new with OS/2. There are too many >neat and >free alternatives (OpenBSD, Linux, FreeBSD, NetBSD, ...) which are ultimately >more powerful--and have a greater population of folks who can do things >with it. > >STeve Andre' > >At 03:35 PM 4/5/00 -0500, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > >>heh last time i contacted IBM was to report a bug in the tcpip stack of >>OS/2, and >>they told me to pay them money to get it fixed! >> >>Now is that normal? You ask people to pay you, to fix your own bugs??? >> >>So me and the two other people who were working on some os/2 web servers got >>so pissed off at them, we made about 20 calls and finally got an >>'interview' with >>a few IBM managers via phone. We emailed them the debug code, our custom >>program >>that helped them reporoduce the bug and 24 hours later we got a call from the >>guy who actualy made the OS/2 tcpip port! He fixed the bug in a few hours. >> >>Moral of the story? You have to either know the right people or pay loads >>of money to >>make them do something. >> >> H.I.C. & D.B.S. OS/2 Warp Hellas >> ServerConfig ConfigEdit OS/2 UK UG > From cph Thu Apr 6 19:11:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA22154 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:11:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26674; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:10:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26594; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26576; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004062310.TAA26576@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:10:49 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-f101.otenet.gr [212.205.234.101]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2MB88NGP; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 18:10:21 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 02:10:43 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004062259.SAA28744@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Extracting a fix out of IBM for OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id TAA26674 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA22155 On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 07:04:09 -0400 (EDT), Allan Ballard wrote: >Funny, but IBM has just released FixPak #13 for >the supposedly "dead" OS. And it is more >robust than ever. Yup, and we expect fixpack #1 for WSeB to come out shortly! >I keep hearing rumors that IBM will release a new >client version to better match its new server version, but >we will have to wait and see. Its already in beta test, it should be out some time this year. btw, i see you are using pmmail, there is an updated version to version 2.10.210, you can find it in pmmail's homepage. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Thu Apr 6 22:57:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA23283 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:57:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08071; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:56:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07918; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:56:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07905; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (208.203.130.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:56:01 -0400 Received: from xpool4.acunet.net (xpool4.acunet.net [208.208.7.4]) by acunet.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id WAA07494 for ; Thu, 6 Apr 2000 22:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004070255.WAA07494@acunet.net> From: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 06 Apr 2000 22:53:50 -0500 Reply-To: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Extracting a fix out of IBM for OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 07:04:09 -0400 (EDT), Allan Ballard wrote: >Funny, but IBM has just released FixPak #13 for >the supposedly "dead" OS. And it is more >robust than ever. Yes, I've read that a few people are experiencing minor problems with it, but it seems fairly good by most accounts so far. Some have likened it to more of a version point upgrade than a fixpack, though I think that may a bit of an overstatement. I'll wait a few weeks before I give it a try. I may wait until Indelible Blue incorporates FP13 into their next "Warp Up" CD. > >I keep hearing rumors that IBM will release a new >client version to better match its new server version, but >we will have to wait and see. I am very much looking forward to this. An upgrade is due, even if it is just a refresh which rolls all the various fixes/enhancements into one CD. I run OS/2 Warp 4 on my 770 Thinkpad and love it. About my only complaint is the lack of an OS/2 driver for the internal ACP modem that will support V.90. As is the modem is only good for 33.6. > >I don't use doze9x except through force, but OS/2 is >easily compatible with NT, at least for 3.5 and 4.0. >I have no experience with the newer version of NT. >Hopefully it is better than the other ones. I've got 98 on a cheap Presario that I reserve for windows games and fun with linux. Never would trust it with my real work though. > >The free alternatives you mentioned may be cool, >but mainly they are for nerds. I don't think the mainstream >is ready to support a linux box that has almost no >drivers and fewer applications. Cool yes, market ready, >no, not even for free. I think the driver situation isn't as bad as you state. I loaded SuSE 6.3 on my Presario and it supported everything OK (except the included winmodem that I've since replaced). I can only see the availability of drivers and ease of installation becoming better over time. While it might not be quite ready for most people's desktops I wouldn't be surprised to see that situation change in less than 2 years. I wish IBM would provide linux drivers for my 770. It would be nice if Mwave sound and the internal modem were supported. If anyone ever ported OS/2's Work Place Shell to linux it might be enough to let me switch >from OS/2. > >And what non-tech corporation is going to load a "free" >server OS with NO tech support? Many linux distributors do provide tech support. That's part of what you pay for when you buy a distribution versus downloading the raw form >from the web. Most also have various extended service contracts you can buy. > >And isn't Red Hat in the GUI versilon growing as bloated >as dose? Red Hat (and other linux distributions) come with more than one GUI choice allowing you to use what is best for you. I think Red Hat uses GNOME by default where as SuSE uses KDE. (OS/2 similarly supports various shells...WPShell being the default) I don't see where the linux GUIs are "bloated", especially compared to Windows. There are some desktops like "Enlightenment" that are much more taxing on the system, but then they look very cool too. > >I guess I am satisfied with OS/2. Don't really care that much >what happens since it does all I need and much much more >and almost never even hiccups, much less crash. I agree, 99% of my work is done on my Thinkpad using OS/2. Very stable. >When I first loaded Warp4, it was doing VTD on a pentium83, heh, >one of those stick-in socket upgrades for a 486 mother board. Same here. Old 486 with the chip upgrade slapped in. I found VTD too slow though. The Voice navigation however was pretty snappy. I do wish IBM supported OS/2 on their Thinkpads better. Items like an upgraded driver for the modem would be great. Does IBM even ship OS/2 on any of their Thinkpad line anymore? Jeff From cph Fri Apr 7 02:04:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA24414 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:04:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15633; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:03:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15531; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15517; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.236.244 -> oe24.law7.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:03:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 70595 invoked by uid 65534); 7 Apr 2000 06:03:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000407060318.70594.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.23.26.43] Reply-To: "Eugene Iwasa" From: "Eugene Iwasa" To: "thinkpad" Subject: Any 240 Owners Using Pocket CD-RW? Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:03:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Hello everyone, I've been trying to use the recovery CD for the 240 with an Addonics Pocket CD-RW (PCMCIA version). I spoke to tech support at Addonics, and they sent me drivers to create a DOS bootdisk that didn't work. Does anybody on the list have the correct drivers to create a DOS bootdisk (recovery floppy disk) for the 240 using a Pocket CD-RW? If so, I'd appreciate it if you could send me them via email. The recovery floppy disk that comes with the 240 won't work because the Addonics product is not one of the products supported by IBM. As to why I'm trying to use the recovery CD (after owning the 240 for only a week), my system no longer recognizes the internal Lucent Winmodem (the Winmodem will appear under the Modem icon in Control Panel, but clicking "more info..." under the diagnostics tab results in "cannot detect modem.") I've spoken to IBM tech support and ran through a variety of steps (including booting up in safe mode, removing all recognized modems and ports, and then rebooting in normal mode with the system not recognizing the internal Winmodem) to no avail. Does this sound familiar to anyone and does anybody have an idea of what I can do besides resorting to a clean install? Thank you. Eugene From cph Fri Apr 7 02:39:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA24500 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:39:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16667; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:38:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16575; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16561; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004070638.CAA16561@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:38:24 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-j043.otenet.gr [212.205.245.43]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2MB88NQR; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 01:37:59 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:38:24 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: IBM?! List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id CAA16667 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA24501 I think IBM's customer services may not be as good as it was, and that IBM's software support also lacks from their bug-free solutions that they had in the past, because of price wars. Maybe IBM had to cut costs in many places, to compete with other companies. Everyone knows that IBM has 30% or more bigger prices in almost everything, so maybe thats their way in trying to compete. Atleast from the software point of view, IBM has dropped their zero-bugs tolerance. Remember that their latest line of AS/600 had many system problems, (atleast they did in the UK, were it was even mentioned in computer mags). Same thing for OS/2, in their lates releases IBM seems to write in Java to makeOS/2 programs. Which resoults in slow programs and crappy code. This can be seen in their TCPIP v4.1 package which has a Java configuration utils and DHCP/DDNS runs under java too. VAC4 is so bloaded and filled with bugs that its near unusable. I've never seen one single programmer who uses VAC4 for his development work. Remember that Sun couldn't port the new versions of StarOffice to VAC4, because VAC4 borked in memory usage. In the end Sun won't release SO anyway. I believe software developers don't really care about bugs, and thats Microsoft's fault. Because MS Windoze forced users to accept bugs in their software. An average MS Windoze user doesnt mind a few crashes a week! I can't tolerate a crash at all! þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Fri Apr 7 03:30:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA24578 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:30:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18790; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:29:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18605; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:29:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18592; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004070728.DAA18592@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:28:58 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-j043.otenet.gr [212.205.245.43]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2MB88NSB; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:28:30 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 10:28:54 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: hot-swap List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id DAA18790 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA24579 Thouse who use OS/2 on their TPs may be interested to download the new Danis IDE/ATAPI driver. It supports hot-swap of UltraBay devices, plus hot-swap of the external disk drive. http://hobbes.nmsu.edu (click on /incoming) Thouse who don't know about Danis, its a replacement driver for the ibm1s506.add and the ibmatapi.flt, ibmidecd.flt drivers. It adds support for all possible chipsets, bus mastering, udma33/66 etc. Plus the new support for ThinkPads. (it has been tested with the 600 series) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Fri Apr 7 04:00:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA24641 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 04:00:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20568; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:59:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20485; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20465; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:59:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 03:59:13 -0400 Received: from lorie ([199.179.164.116]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20000407075911.IDXD21786.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@lorie>; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:59:11 -0500 Message-ID: <02a001bfa066$bcf2cb80$1396f2cc@lorie.designcraft.com> From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "TP List" , "Chuck S." Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:56:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: > >This reminds me of 1993, when Chevrolet dropped a slightly de-tuned Corvette >engine in a Z28 for half the price of the Vette. Boy, that really >pissed-off those Vette owners. As an IBM stockholder, I applaud IBM for >competing with the Dell Inspirion. It's a win-win for everyone, especially >the consumer. > >Chuck > Is the i-series a Thinkpad or not? Since Acer makes the i-series, a better analogy is: GM contracts Hyundai to produce Corvette's in Taiwan and sells them in the USA as Corvette jr. Now, every true Vette owner knows a Corvette jr isn't a real Corvette and no one is pissed-off. Except for maybe a Corvette jr buyer who thought they were getting a real Vette, boohoo. Chuck's analogy is correct though in that the marketing model is similar for both IBM and GM. Given: Corvette/Thinkpad are unaffordable to some people. A. Sell more laptops by attracting a new set of buyers with a lower price. B. Utilize "brand name class" of expensive product to sell a cheaper one. I agree Randy, Mercedes would never sell a $10,000 economy car. Mercedes does have a C-class though and it's affordable to many more buyers. Buyers who because of the name/status, really want one. In fact IBM uses the same product naming convention as Mercedes. The cheaper product is still a Mercedes (IBM Thinkpad) but in a sub class (i-series) with its own model number structure. i.e. 1450i or 1750i, C200 or C320 Now, I'm not a mechanic but I think a C-class vehicle has technology passed down to it from the S-class. And that is more than just marketing, that's real value. IBM cost reduced the TP700 series into a great value with the Thinkpad 300 series laptops. My question is: Did the IBM thinkpad group pass any technology (a Vette engine) down to the lower tier i-series? Is the 1721i based on the Thinkpad 390 series? The trackpoint keyboard, IMO, is the best laptop feature since the color display. This is obviously a nice feature passed down to i-series. Does the i-series have a (Lexmark?) keyboard? I know Acer manufactures the i-series to IBM specifications. I've read IBM not Acer is the designer of the i-series. Then Acer is the OEM of 390 like i-series machines. That means IBM handed a prototype to Acer and said, "Build this inexpensive laptop for us"? Or did IBM follow the model of Dell and evaluate a few Taiwanese laptops and rebrand, adding disk, RAM, display, and in IBM's case, a trackpoint keyboard. Is the i-series BIOS and APM written and maintained by the Thinkpad group? Or is there an new engineering group for i-series? What's the status of linux installed on an i-series? Win2k is NOT supported by IBM on these, right? If so, don't count on IBM to support it in the future either. Win98 could be a lonely place when you have the horsepower to run win2k, but no driver support. IBM is schlepping the good Thinkpad name to sell something the Thinkpad wasn't built on; lower price, not as nice. I think IBM wants to offer some sort of laptop to everyone. Using the Thinkpad name on the i-series is questionable if they rebranded an Acer laptop. Did they? I know the i-series is not a real Vette, I'm just trying to find out if it's a Fierro or a Firebird. Aaron Brown From cph Fri Apr 7 07:26:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA25352 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:26:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03808; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:24:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03722; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03704; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (194.164.19.39 -> bradnet.legend.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 07:24:38 -0400 Received: by bradnet.legend.co.uk (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id MAA008.12; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:24:33 +0100 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:24:32 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Extracting a fix out of IBM for OS/2 Message-ID: <20000407122432.G342@bradnet.legend.co.uk> References: <200004062259.SAA28744@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> <200004062310.TAA26576@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: <200004062310.TAA26576@cs.utk.edu>; from sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 02:10:43AM -0500 X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id HAA03808 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id HAA25353 On Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 02:10:43AM -0500, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 07:04:09 -0400 (EDT), Allan Ballard wrote: > > >Funny, but IBM has just released FixPak #13 for > >the supposedly "dead" OS. And it is more > >robust than ever. > > Yup, and we expect fixpack #1 for WSeB to come out shortly! > > >I keep hearing rumors that IBM will release a new > >client version to better match its new server version, but > >we will have to wait and see. > > Its already in beta test, it should be out some time this year. I don't understand this. The Warp 4 client with latest fixpack is already more uptodate at revision level 14.040 than WSeB at 14.039. I was expecting the new client to be simply a manufacturing refresh consisting of the old base code with four years of fixes incorparated. Am I missing something? > btw, i see you are using pmmail, there is an updated version > to version 2.10.210, you can find it in pmmail's homepage. > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > -- John From cph Fri Apr 7 09:15:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA25762 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:15:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13852; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:13:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13704; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13689; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (129.97.140.200 -> plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:13:55 -0400 Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (migod@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22380 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004071313.JAA22380@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu X-url: http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/ X-image-url: http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/migod.jpg Subject: "Too many params" and "cannot find ps2main.exe" Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:13:54 -0400 From: "Michael W. Godfrey" List-Unsubscribe: My sincere thanks to everyone (Bill Morrow, James H. E. Maugham, Mike Lingenfelter, Michael Geary, Adam Quantrill, and anyone else I missed) who made suggestions on how to use the emergency repair disk with my new 18G HDD on my TP600E. After a couple of false starts (hint: the startup CD really likes it if you've actually formatted the new disk already and it should be FAT16 for *a little more than* the first 2Gig), I now have a working TP600E once again. So now ... when I boot up into Win98, I get two messages that worry me, and one more problem. The two messages are: (1) Too many parameters (2) Cannot execute file ps2main.exe File not found Message (1) I have no idea about. As for message (2), I figured out that ps2main is in c:\thinkpad, and my autoexec.bat file looks like this: @ECHO OFF SET PATH=C:\Thinkpad ; SET PS2MSG=C:\THINKPAD\PS2.MSG REM The following line is for hibernation. C:\Thinkpad\Ps2.EXE HFILE C REM The following line is no longer needed. It may be deleted. If Exist C:\MFGBOOTI.REG C:\WINDOWS\REGEDIT C:\MFGBOOTI.REG mode con codepage prepare=((850) c:\windows\COMMAND\ega.cpi) mode con codepage select=850 set PATH=%PATH%;D:\Program Files\vim\vim56 So I don't understand why it can't find ps2main.exe (and I don't understand why my dos shells don't reflect the PATH set up here either. The last line should allow gvim.exe to be found in my path.) Any further enlightenment (he said, gnomishly) greatly appreciated! -- Mike From cph Fri Apr 7 09:20:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA25800 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:20:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14601; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:19:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14357; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:19:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14342; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (129.97.140.200 -> plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:19:52 -0400 Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (migod@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA22588 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 09:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004071319.JAA22588@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu X-url: http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/ X-image-url: http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/migod.jpg Subject: ... and any compelling reason to upgrade TP drivers? Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:19:51 -0400 From: "Michael W. Godfrey" List-Unsubscribe: Now that I have installed win98 on my new 18G HDD of my TP600E with the original drivers (I had upgraded drivers on the older HDD), is there any compelling reason to (or not to) upgrade the official TP drivers? I have heard about new BIOSes causing problems with Linux, which I intend to re-install Real Soon Now, as soon as Win98 installation appears to be stable. -- Mike From cph Fri Apr 7 10:43:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA26599 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:43:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20692; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:40:59 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20412; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:40:58 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id KAA00873 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web207.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16997; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web207.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.107 -> web207.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 02:49:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 10751 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2000 06:49:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000407064911.10750.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.204.73.5] by web207.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 06 Apr 2000 23:49:11 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 23:49:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Pencetera Reply-To: pencetera@yahoo.com Subject: Re: IBM?! To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , thinkpad MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id KAA20692 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA26600 Microsoft and cheap memory are the culprit. I still fondly recall full preemptive, multi-threaded multitasking with a 128k OS on a 1Mb machine and having plenty of speed. My old Amiga did quite well and even GEOS for intel boxes did quite a nice job. Programmers today either don't care about optimized code or simply do not have the time to optimize code. I'd venture a guess a combination of both. Users accept the situation so there is no commercial reason to change. Unfortunate but todays market... --- "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." wrote: > I think IBM's customer services may not be as good > as it was, and > that IBM's software support also lacks from their > bug-free solutions > that they had in the past, because of price wars. > > Maybe IBM had to cut costs in many places, to > compete with other > companies. Everyone knows that IBM has 30% or more > bigger prices > in almost everything, so maybe thats their way in > trying to compete. > > Atleast from the software point of view, IBM has > dropped their zero-bugs > tolerance. Remember that their latest line of AS/600 > had many system problems, > (atleast they did in the UK, were it was even > mentioned in computer mags). > > Same thing for OS/2, in their lates releases IBM > seems to write in Java to > makeOS/2 programs. Which resoults in slow programs > and crappy code. This > can be seen in their TCPIP v4.1 package which has a > Java configuration utils > and DHCP/DDNS runs under java too. VAC4 is so > bloaded and filled with bugs > that its near unusable. I've never seen one single > programmer who uses > VAC4 for his development work. Remember that Sun > couldn't port the new > versions of StarOffice to VAC4, because VAC4 borked > in memory usage. In the end > Sun won't release SO anyway. > > I believe software developers don't really care > about bugs, and thats Microsoft's > fault. Because MS Windoze forced users to accept > bugs in their software. An average > MS Windoze user doesnt mind a few crashes a week! I > can't tolerate a crash at all! > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > > ===== http://www.pencetera.com - Your Source For Inexpensive, High Quality Writing Instruments __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Fri Apr 7 13:24:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA28074 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:24:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02480; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:21:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02189; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02145; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004071721.NAA02145@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:21:27 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-f182.otenet.gr [212.205.234.182]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2MB88NY2; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:20:56 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 20:21:22 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000407122432.G342@bradnet.legend.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Extracting a fix out of IBM for OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id NAA02480 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA28075 On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:24:32 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >I don't understand this. >The Warp 4 client with latest fixpack is already more uptodate at >revision level 14.040 than WSeB at 14.039. Yes thats because the fixpack1 of WSeB has been delayed. It should be out soon, which will bring WSeB to the same level with fp13. Remember that WSeB has two kernels, one is the uni-processor and the SMP one. >I was expecting the new client to be simply a manufacturing refresh >consisting of the old base code with four years of fixes incorparated. >Am I missing something? IBM has merged Warp4 into WSeB code. Its easier to maintain one code rather than three! Remember that warp3 has been dropped. It also brings one major feature, the high memory addressing, which enables you to run things win MS Word under Odin on OS/2. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Fri Apr 7 13:52:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA28290 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:52:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05212; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:51:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05026; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web125.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05013; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web125.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.193 -> web125.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:50:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 27873 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Apr 2000 17:50:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000407175056.27872.qmail@web125.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.225.68] by web125.yahoomail.com; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 10:50:56 PDT Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 10:50:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Any 240 Owners Using Pocket CD-RW? To: Eugene Iwasa Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: If you are using a Dos boot disk to access the CD, I think you will also need to have PCMCIA support software on it. --- Eugene Iwasa wrote: > Hello everyone, > > I've been trying to use the recovery CD for the 240 > with an Addonics Pocket > CD-RW (PCMCIA version). I spoke to tech support at > Addonics, and they sent > me drivers to create a DOS bootdisk that didn't > work. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Fri Apr 7 15:09:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA29029 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:09:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11309; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:08:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11051; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11029; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:08:00 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.214] (helo=139-142-112-214.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 12de6n-0006oP-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 07 Apr 2000 12:07:57 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM?! Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 11:53:02 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <20000407064911.10750.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20000407064911.10750.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Lines: 39 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I'd like to have an efficient OS with all those goodies, plus excellent power management (e.g., the ability to shut down the HD and not have it come on again until you do your next save, or even to turn off the screen and touch-type until you give it a particular key combo) ... for my 486-75 based 701. For a while I ran OS/2 on it, and now run Win95a (thumbs up to both), but still dream about getting 2 hours of battery life while doing something simple like text entry. Let's not forget Concurrent DOS, which also did the full preemptive bit. And very well, I might add. I believe that DR-DOS had the same code in it, but it was disabled by Digital Research (and later Novell), I suppose to support the sales of Concurrent (at $300 or so a throw). DR actually advertised multitasking in DR-DOS, but it was really only a task switcher. Much better than MS-DOS or IBM-DOS of the same epoch, but not leading to anything. >Microsoft and cheap memory are the culprit. I still >fondly recall full preemptive, multi-threaded >multitasking with a 128k OS on a 1Mb machine and >having plenty of speed. My old Amiga did quite well >and even GEOS for intel boxes did quite a nice job. >> >> I believe software developers don't really care >> about bugs, and thats Microsoft's >> fault. Because MS Windoze forced users to accept >> bugs in their software. An average >> MS Windoze user doesnt mind a few crashes a week! I >> can't tolerate a crash at all! >> -- cheers Jonathan http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/hecate.htm Roads vs Rocks & Neighbourhoods From cph Fri Apr 7 15:27:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA29220 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:27:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13514; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:26:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13402; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13359; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (194.164.19.39 -> bradnet.legend.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 15:26:22 -0400 Received: by bradnet.legend.co.uk (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id UAA009.31; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:26:27 +0100 Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:26:26 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Extracting a fix out of IBM for OS/2 Message-ID: <20000407202626.H342@bradnet.legend.co.uk> References: <20000407122432.G342@bradnet.legend.co.uk> <200004071721.NAA02145@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: <200004071721.NAA02145@cs.utk.edu>; from sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. on Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 08:21:22PM -0500 X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id PAA13514 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA29221 On Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 08:21:22PM -0500, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 12:24:32 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > > >I don't understand this. > >The Warp 4 client with latest fixpack is already more uptodate at > >revision level 14.040 than WSeB at 14.039. > > Yes thats because the fixpack1 of WSeB has been delayed. It should > be out soon, which will bring WSeB to the same level with fp13. Remember > that WSeB has two kernels, one is the uni-processor and the SMP one. Yes, I use both of them. > >I was expecting the new client to be simply a manufacturing refresh > >consisting of the old base code with four years of fixes incorparated. > >Am I missing something? > > IBM has merged Warp4 into WSeB code. Its easier to maintain one code > rather than three! Remember that warp3 has been dropped. No it hasn't. IBM are still supporting Warp Server, which is based on Warp 3. However I've never really been sure about the real differences between Warp 3 and Warp 4. I suspect anything in \os2\boot would work fine on Warp 3, as would most of the commands. You can even run cmd.exe from Warp 4 on Warp 3 and it tells you that you are running OS/2 Version 4.0 when you type VER. I would be surprised if there was more than half a dozen files different between the latest fixpacks of the two versions. > It also brings > one major feature, the high memory addressing, which enables you to > run things win MS Word under Odin on OS/2. Is this every likely to work? I've reached my ceiling of about five Win32 apps which work under Odin and have been at this point for months. I can't even get Paintbrush working... And since I don't have a Windows system available, I have to run the Windows SETUP which comes with everything, and this never works. > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -- John From cph Fri Apr 7 16:02:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA29503 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:02:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16821; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:01:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16707; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16694; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie-inet.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:01:30 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p10.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.103]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA15871 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 13:01:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200004072001.NAA15871@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 13:10:37 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: ThinkPad 701 RAM List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know a good place to buy memory for the 701? I'm looking only for a 32MB SO-DIMM. I wish I bought one now when everyone else on the list was talking about them. Also, would anyone also have a TP760ED parts unit they'd like to sell? Thanks, Paul From cph Fri Apr 7 17:24:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA30318 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:24:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22697; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:22:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22371; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22336; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004072122.RAA22336@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:22:33 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-d022.otenet.gr [212.205.239.22]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2MB88N8P; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 16:22:02 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 00:22:27 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000407202626.H342@bradnet.legend.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Extracting a fix out of IBM for OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id RAA22697 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA30319 On Fri, 7 Apr 2000 20:26:26 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >No it hasn't. IBM are still supporting Warp Server, which is based on >Warp 3. I wouldn't call that support, since the fixpacks are controlled to thouse who are registered "IBM Customers" and paid for the support. There was an announcement about this from IBM. >However I've never really been sure about the real differences between >Warp 3 and Warp 4. I suspect anything in \os2\boot would work fine on >Warp 3, as would most of the commands. You can even run cmd.exe from >Warp 4 on Warp 3 and it tells you that you are running OS/2 Version 4.0 >when you type VER. I would be surprised if there was more than half a >dozen files different between the latest fixpacks of the two versions. Yes warp4 and warp3 are very similar in many ways, but the major changes are the interface and the kernel. Plus the networking which was integrated into the WPS a lot more than it was in warp3. >Is this every likely to work? >I've reached my ceiling of about five Win32 apps which work under >Odin and have been at this point for months. I can't even get Paintbrush >working... And since I don't have a Windows system available, I have to >run the Windows SETUP which comes with everything, and this never works. I've seen Word97 to load, but not work correctly. Winamp works and plays music too. You just need to get the 'daily' updates from their ftp site. Latest ones also run Lotus Notes 5 client. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Fri Apr 7 17:25:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA30322 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:25:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22730; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:23:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22524; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22510; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.40 -> mail1.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:23:46 -0400 Received: from 452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000407212345.LGLO4297.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@452366-a>; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 14:23:45 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2000 17:23:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Dock II and accessories for sale Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <38EE1996.21383.A46D9C@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi Jonathan, others Dock II UG is at: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/dockiiug.pdf and HMM at ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/tpvol1.pdf and diskette at ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/dock2100.exe There is no special 701 Dock II expansion kit diskette, but your 701 bios should be the latest, BTUS30 12/15/95, and the diskette download to update this is still available. Tom At 2000 March 28 - Tuesday 8:50, Jonathan Berry spoke about *Dock II and accessories for sale...* saying From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Dock II and accessories for sale Date sent: Tue, 28 Mar 2000 08:50:14 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn > I have a Dock II for sale. Probably the Dock II itself isn't > that interesting for many, but I have a few things that may be > hard to find: > > -- the 701 adaptor > -- the diskette drive cable > -- the internal IDE adaptor cable ! > -- an internal (ISA) IBM wake-up on LAN ethernet card. > -- the unit is complete, with two keys. > > I do not have the docs or the diskettes for the 701 adaptor. > Nor are they available from IBM. > > The reason I am selling this is that I never got it to work > the way I wanted it. I had to turn off all the SCSI BIOS > stuff. Finally, I got it to work with a 701C in my home network, > but even then, after suspending the 701, the only way I could > get back into the network on reawakening was to reboot the 701. > Evidently a bug in the IBM ethernet card. No help from IBM, of > course. > > My more comfortable solution is to use a PCMCIA Ethernet card > in the 701C. I still can't install software from a CD (except > across the home network, for those softwares which allow it), > but the heck with it. For a while I had an SCSI CD-ROM, but it > (barely) didn't fit in the case, so I sold it without trying to > install it. > > I'm in Nanaimo, BC, Canada. > > I'm willing to entertain offers for parts of this unit. If > nothing suits my fancy, I'll put it for sale on ebay. > > I apologize to putting a sale notice on the list, but several > of the accessories have caused salivation in other threads. ------------------------- Tom Trottier, Abacurial IT Consulting ICQ: 57647974 400 Slater St.Suite 415, Ottawa Ontario Canada K1R 7S7 __o _ \< +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 (+)/'(+) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Fri Apr 7 22:04:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA31928 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:04:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05585; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:03:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05434; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:03:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05421; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (203.96.92.15 -> mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:03:19 -0400 Received: from 202-27-181-223.dialup.xtra.co.nz ([202.27.181.223]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <20000408020312.FPEM11259532.mta4-rme@202-27-181-223.dialup.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:03:12 +1200 From: Tom Cole To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: "Too many params" and "cannot find ps2main.exe" Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 14:03:10 +1200 Message-ID: References: <200004071313.JAA22380@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> In-Reply-To: <200004071313.JAA22380@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA31929 On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 09:13:54 -0400, you wrote: > > >My sincere thanks to everyone (Bill Morrow, James H. E. Maugham, Mike >Lingenfelter, Michael Geary, Adam Quantrill, and anyone else I missed) who >made suggestions on how to use the emergency repair disk with my new 18G >HDD on my TP600E. > >After a couple of false starts (hint: the startup CD really likes it if >you've actually formatted the new disk already and it should be FAT16 for >*a little more than* the first 2Gig), I now have a working TP600E once >again. > >So now ... when I boot up into Win98, I get two messages that worry me, and >one more problem. The two messages are: > > (1) Too many parameters > (2) Cannot execute file ps2main.exe > File not found > >Message (1) I have no idea about. As for message (2), I figured out that >ps2main is in c:\thinkpad, and my autoexec.bat file looks like this: > > @ECHO OFF > SET PATH=C:\Thinkpad ; > SET PS2MSG=C:\THINKPAD\PS2.MSG > REM The following line is for hibernation. > C:\Thinkpad\Ps2.EXE HFILE C > REM The following line is no longer needed. It may be deleted. > If Exist C:\MFGBOOTI.REG C:\WINDOWS\REGEDIT C:\MFGBOOTI.REG > mode con codepage prepare=((850) c:\windows\COMMAND\ega.cpi) > mode con codepage select=850 > set PATH=%PATH%;D:\Program Files\vim\vim56 > >So I don't understand why it can't find ps2main.exe (and I don't >understand why my dos shells don't reflect the PATH set up here either. >The last line should allow gvim.exe to be found in my path.) > >Any further enlightenment (he said, gnomishly) greatly appreciated! > >-- Mike You are corrupting PATH in the last statement. You need to change Program Files to progra~1 as long names are not recognised at this stage of the load. HTH -- Tom Cole Lower Hutt New Zealand tcole@xtra.co.nz From cph Fri Apr 7 22:30:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA32041 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:30:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06667; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:30:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06581; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06568; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:30:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:30:36 -0400 Received: from mail.theriver.com (a7.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.167]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 7D5DA25D78; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 19:30:30 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 19:11:14 -0700 To: "Michael W. Godfrey" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200004071313.JAA22380@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> Subject: Re: "Too many params" and "cannot find ps2main.exe" X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 Message-Id: <20000408023030.7D5DA25D78@pantano.theriver.com> List-Unsubscribe: In <200004071313.JAA22380@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca>, on 04/07/00 at 09:13 AM, "Michael W. Godfrey" said: > (1) Too many parameters This might be caused by one of your programs in the config.sys file or by the set PATH=%PATH%;D:\Program Files\vim\vim86 line in the autoexec.bat file. If you want to change this line, you can do the following: Open an MSDOS prompt window from the "start" line. Type in dir or dir /x (one should list both the "short" and "long" file name for all files in the directory. Change drives to the d: drive. Type in the same directory command. Look for the "short" directory name for the directory "Program Files". It should be PROGRA~1 or simular. Write down this file (directory) name. Copy your existing autoexec.bat file (it is in the "root" directory of the C: drive) to a "backup" file. Recommended is autoexec.bak, but you can use any file name. Invoke the notepad editor (any text editor will do, but the following commands are based on you using this editor) from within the command prompt by typing in "notepad c:\autoexec.bat" (without the quotes of course.) Move the cursor until it is over the words Program File. Type in the short name of the directory and using the delete key, remove the word File. Click on the File menu item and then Save. A prompt should appear asking if you want to overwrite the file. Click on the "Yes" button. Exit the program by either clicking on the X. Run the "dir" command with the Pause function (dir /p) and make sure that the file was not renamed to autoexec.bat.txt. If it was use the following command: "ren autoexec.bat.txt autoexec.bat". Exit the MSDOS command session by selecting the box and typing in "exit". Shutdown and restart Windows98. For your information, Windows9X creates MSDOS or short file names from the first six characters of the directory name and the tilde (~) symbol and then a number 1 through 9. If all of the names xxxxxx~1 through xxxxxx~9 are taken then a random generator takes over for the last two file positions. If there are two directories, files or combination of files and directories with the letters 'progra' in them the first found (on the C: drive in this case) would be named PROGRA~1 and the second (on the D: drive in this case) would be named PROGRA~2. > (2) Cannot execute file ps2main.exe > File not found The C:\Thinkpad directory is no longer in your PATH. > set PATH=%PATH%;D:\Program Files\vim\vim56 You need to change this line. The set line sees the following: 'set' 'PATH=%PATH%;D:\Program' 'Files\vim\vim56' Which is one program with two parameters and the set command only can accept one. >So I don't understand why it can't find ps2main.exe (and I don't >understand why my dos shells don't reflect the PATH set up here >either. The last line should allow gvim.exe to be found in my path.) Because the system does not know where it is. The second set command fails and your PATH is set to "". You have some editing to do. James Mckenzie -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From cph Sat Apr 8 00:10:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA32369 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:10:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10727; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:09:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10591; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10577; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.35 -> out5.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:09:01 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([32.101.168.120]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <2000040804083624301sq0m0e>; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:08:37 +0000 From: "David Lee" To: Subject: What is the "pink screen" problem? Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:08:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I heard alot about the "pink screen" problem with Thinkpads. What is it? Does the LCD screen turn pink and is it an obvious defect? How has IBM responsed to this problem? From cph Sat Apr 8 00:45:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA32528 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:45:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12355; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:45:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12256; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12242; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004080445.AAA12242@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 00:45:17 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-e102.otenet.gr [212.205.247.102]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2QF1JM8Q; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 23:44:44 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 07:40:43 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: bios features List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id AAA12355 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id AAA32529 I noticed that in my 600E bios there is an option "Antena" which can be enabled or disabled. I couldn't find any information on the manual since it doesn't even say it exists. Anyone got any info on it? btw, does the TP 600E support CardBus? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Apr 8 02:22:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA00338 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:22:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15217; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:21:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15136; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15123; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:21:15 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-11.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.11]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA13475 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000408022051.00831bb0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:20:51 -0700 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Thinkpad 755 caddy ARGH! In-Reply-To: <003001bf9ddd$286368c0$130e4a0c@701c> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I had a client call me to tell me that he wrecked a HD upgrade for a TP 755c. He went to replace the original 340meg HD with a 1.2gig and the caddy turned out to be a 3rd party model of shoddy construction (Well, that's what he said anyhow). Upon inspection, he ripped the cable away from the HD pin connector. It is pretty much wrecked. I looked around for a replacement caddy, but to no avail. Does anyone have a hybrid/working or partial caddy laying around or a source for a dirt cheap replacement? Personally, I could shoot the DX2/50 755cs he is using, but he's fond of the POS and it's wonderful WFWG 3.11 it runs and its massive 12megs of POWERFUL memory! :) ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Sat Apr 8 02:28:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA00346 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:28:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15716; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:27:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15638; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15625; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:27:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.103 -> pilot003.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:27:55 -0400 Received: from android.msu.edu (pm457-41.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.147]) by pilot003.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA28400; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:27:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000408001547.00d1f540@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 02:27:54 -0400 To: "David Lee" , From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: What is the "pink screen" problem? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Speaking only for me and my trusty 1451i, all of a sudden the screen would be pink in the upper right-hand corner of the screen for the first several seconds after waking up from a sleep. There would be a pink haze across approximately half the screen, which would apprear to evaporate very quickly, much like a window being defrosted. A little later, the screen would come up pink at the power-on password prompt. There wasn't anything wrong with the displaying of characters, just the pinkness. When I talked to EZServe they accepted what I said without hesitation. I have since received word that they changed out the screen for this. Given that they changed out an expensive component--the single most expensive-- it wasn't something easily fixed. I'm surprised, since this seems to happen to lots of different models. Given how expensive this is to fix I'm sure they're working on it. --STeve Andre' At 12:08 AM 4/8/00 -0400, David Lee wrote: >I heard alot about the "pink screen" problem with Thinkpads. What is it? >Does the LCD screen turn pink and is it an obvious defect? How has IBM >responsed to this problem? From cph Sat Apr 8 03:52:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA00500 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 03:52:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20692; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 03:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 03:51:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20524; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 03:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20511; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 03:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243 -> maynard.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 03:51:17 -0400 Received: from tp1721 (user-33qt817.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.160.39]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA25007 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 03:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003a01bfa12f$1da12c60$27a0aec7@tp1721> From: "Chuck S." To: "TP List" References: <4.2.0.58.20000406125011.00a9a650@pop3.iceka1.com> Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 02:50:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: | | There's a lot of chintzy cheap laptops out there for me to buy, | and the i-series is one of them. Its just sad that they are also called | ThinkPads. | This is literally one man's opinion. I've been watching this thread, and there is overwhelming support for the i-Series, which probably explains its success. Chuck From cph Sat Apr 8 04:07:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA00542 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:07:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22289; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:06:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22093; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22080; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:06:43 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id EAA26784; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:06:38 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id EAA12877; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000408005226.02f93f00@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 01:04:04 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? In-Reply-To: <003a01bfa12f$1da12c60$27a0aec7@tp1721> References: <4.2.0.58.20000406125011.00a9a650@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 02:50 AM 04/08/2000 -0500, you wrote: >| >| There's a lot of chintzy cheap laptops out there for me to buy, >| and the i-series is one of them. Its just sad that they are also called >| ThinkPads. > >This is literally one man's opinion. ...echoed by a number of others, as well as further expanded on by them. Or were you too blind to see those? > I've been watching this thread, and >there is overwhelming support for the i-Series, which probably explains its >success. Apparently you're not counting well, as the number of responses I've seen are about even, pro and con. Further differentiation can be found in that the majority of the "pro" opinions for the i-series seem to come from people who haven't owned a "real" ThinkPad before, and therefore have no basis for comparison. While the majority of the "con" opinions come from those who know what owning a real ThinkPad is like, in all its fit-and-finish totality. In summary, the majority of the "pro" opinions on the i-series come from people who haven't really known any better. With all due respect, that's like asking a teenager what they know about love--they think they know a hell of a lot more than they really do, lacking any real perspective or experience in the subject, and in fact they confuse it with cheap sex. Quite frankly, an opinion with little knowledge or experience behind it isn't worth as much as one that has those features. From cph Sat Apr 8 04:35:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA00601 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:35:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24468; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:35:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24373; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24359; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.121 -> pilot021.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:35:01 -0400 Received: from android.msu.edu (pm457-41.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.147]) by pilot021.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA77042 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 04:34:56 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000408042645.00cf82b0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 04:34:58 -0400 To: TP List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000408005226.02f93f00@pop3.iceka1.com> References: <003a01bfa12f$1da12c60$27a0aec7@tp1721> <4.2.0.58.20000406125011.00a9a650@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I am curious Randy, why the tone of this mail and others recently have taken on such a harsh tone? I'm obviously one of the ones who is just about diametrically opposed to some of your statements, but I don't think I've said things with the rigor and tone you have. I'd really hate for this discussion to slide down the path of other religious wars. Saying "Or were you too blind to see" is a good indicator of that. --STeve Andre' At 01:04 AM 4/8/00 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 02:50 AM 04/08/2000 -0500, you wrote: >>| >>| There's a lot of chintzy cheap laptops out there for me to buy, >>| and the i-series is one of them. Its just sad that they are also called >>| ThinkPads. >> >>This is literally one man's opinion. > > ...echoed by a number of others, as well as further expanded on > by them. Or were you too blind to see those? > >> I've been watching this thread, and >>there is overwhelming support for the i-Series, which probably explains its >>success. > > Apparently you're not counting well, as the number of responses > I've seen are about even, pro and con. > > Further differentiation can be found in that the majority of the > "pro" opinions for the i-series seem to come from people who haven't > owned a "real" ThinkPad before, and therefore have no basis for > comparison. While the majority of the "con" opinions come from those who > know what owning a real ThinkPad is like, in all its fit-and-finish totality. > > In summary, the majority of the "pro" opinions on the i-series > come from people who haven't really known any better. With all due > respect, that's like asking a teenager what they know about love--they > think they know a hell of a lot more than they really do, lacking any > real perspective or experience in the subject, and in fact they confuse > it with cheap sex. Quite frankly, an opinion with little knowledge or > experience behind it isn't worth as much as one that has those features. > From cph Sat Apr 8 12:47:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA01783 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:47:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14665; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:44:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14456; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14443; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay.uni-heidelberg.de (129.206.100.212 -> relay.uni-heidelberg.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:44:16 -0400 Received: from ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (mail.urz.uni-heidelberg.de [129.206.119.234]) by relay.uni-heidelberg.de (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29285 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:40:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from bp7@localhost) by ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA22380; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 18:44:14 +0200 Message-Id: <200004081644.SAA22380@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> From: "Andreas Busch" To: "ThinkPad Discussion List" Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 18:44:19 +0200 Reply-To: "Andreas Busch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Problem with TP 760ED, IR port and PPP List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I have a somewhat complicated problem which perhaps somebody has a solution for. The machine in question is a TP 760ED which has so far run without a problem under both OS/2 Warp 4 and SuSE Linux 6.3. It still runs, but I now have problems accessing the internet via dialup and PPP, and have similar symptoms under both operating systems (I have them on two different harddisks which are easily swapped in this model). What did I do? The only thing I can remember is playing around with the ThinkPad Setup application under OS/2 after I had bought my new cellular phone -- which has a modem built in and an IR port. I thought I could get the thing to communicate with the ThinkPad. But to no avail. Of course I do not remember precisely what I did -- because then I could just reverse it. But when, several days later, I returned from a journey and wanted to connect to the internet via modem, it did make a connection, but I couldn't use Netscape properly, because there was apparently a problem with the DNS. I originally thought this was a problem of the university computing center, but when it persisted the next days and I checked with them, it turned out that the problem must be on my side. As I then found out, the same symptoms exist if I use the Linux harddisk. So my question is: does anybody have and idea what might cause that, and how I can solve it? I know this sounds rather vague, but perhaps someone has similar experiences. It seems like something was reconfigured on the ThinkPad hardware level which now adversely affects the running of PPP. Many thanks for any hints, Andreas -- Dr. Andreas Busch Universitaet Heidelberg Tel. (06221) 54-2874 Institut fuer Politische Wissenschaft Fax (06221) 54-2896 Marstallstrasse 6 E-Mail: Andreas.Busch@urz.uni-heidelberg.de 69117 Heidelberg, Germany http://busch.uni-hd.de From cph Sat Apr 8 13:07:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA01830 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:07:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15551; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:05:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15472; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15459; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:05:45 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.13.205]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000408170543.NITK27191.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:05:43 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01bfa17c$b05c0320$cd0d4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Thinkpad 755 Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:02:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. Did he only damage the caddy?. Dirt cheap drives carries caddies for the IBM line. I have a chintzy 3rd party caddy in my 701. I sanded the rails down, there were bits of excess plastic that left rough spots.The 755 needs to have the ribbon cable folded just right or it will hang in the case. Figure on paying around $ 30 + for a used caddy and drive. FRU 39H7040 ASM 29H9484. or around $ 10 for just the caddy. And this is on ebay. I have bought caddys for the 755 in the past, 3 for $ 20 , new in the package. Moral of the story, why swap drives in the caddies?, why not whole caddies?. This makes playing with OSs really easy, and if your new drive dies,,,. From cph Sat Apr 8 13:18:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA01856 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:18:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16166; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:16:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16080; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16067; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:16:33 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.13.205]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000408171632.NLGG27191.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:16:32 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01bfa17e$3306d420$cd0d4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Older computers Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:16:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. Yes some people have older thinkpads. I really like the 701, and the 730 is really reliable, in light of my Z50 that died within a week of use. And that thing was brand new. The point is, perhaps some of the older computers are somwhat of a bore,, when set besides the latest i series, but they are what some people like. And is not that what matters, thinkpad or not?. From cph Sat Apr 8 13:34:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA01888 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:34:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17140; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:32:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17034; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.asiaonline.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17013; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.asiaonline.net (202.85.0.229 -> mx1.asiaonline.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:32:46 -0400 Received: from johnny (ip93-153.asiaonline.net [202.85.93.153]) by mx1.asiaonline.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA24508 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 01:30:01 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <003901bfa180$6f476920$995d55ca@johnny> From: "Johnny Chan" To: Subject: TP600 ACP Modem & PCMCIA Card Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 01:32:31 +0800 Organization: Training Solution (H.K.) Ltd. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I have a TP 600 2645 41C that come with the 56K ACP Modem. I upgraded it to V.90 and the OS to Win 98. However, every time when I input the PCMCIA Ethernet Card into the slot, a Modem status come up, and I can't use the modem again unless I restart the machine. I checked the IRQ of modem and my network card is 3 and 9 respectively, what's wrong? Johnny From cph Sat Apr 8 13:39:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA01907 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:39:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17622; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:37:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17542; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17528; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:37:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004081737.NAA17528@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:37:41 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n044.otenet.gr [212.205.246.44]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2QT79S6A; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 12:37:23 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 20:37:41 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004081644.SAA22380@ix.urz.uni-heidelberg.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Problem with TP 760ED, IR port and PPP List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id NAA17622 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA01908 On Sat, 08 Apr 2000 18:44:19 +0200, Andreas Busch wrote: >I know this sounds rather vague, but perhaps someone has similar >experiences. It seems like something was reconfigured on the ThinkPad >hardware level which now adversely affects the running of PPP. First, make sure the modem connects properly. Try to dial a BBS or some other computer with a modem which has auto-answer on (or manualy typ ATA). Then try to transfer a few files with zmodem. If the modem connects and transfers files without a problem, it has to be something in the software and not the hardware. But thats relative since the modem is part software part hardware. If its a hardware problem, you should check the IRQ/IO settings, so that they don't conflict with any other devices. Try this procedure: 1) Load OS/2, start the ThinkPad configuration program. 2) Disable LPT/COM ports, InfraRed etc. (some of them you may need, but disable them temporarily anyway). This should free up a few IRQs/DMAs/IOs. 3) Go to the modem settings, click on Advanced, and write down all the resources that the modem is using. Make sure that IRQ sharing is disabled. 4) Reboot and retry to connect with your modem and test the connection. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Apr 8 13:44:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA01926 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:44:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18190; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:42:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18109; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18096; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:42:38 -0400 Received: from Hades ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA06122 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: Subject: RE: What is the "pink screen" problem? Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:43:29 -0500 Message-ID: <000701bfa18a$55fa77a0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000408001547.00d1f540@pilot.msu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: David, on my TP600, about one out of 3 times I start the box all the white letters have a pink/static/halo effect. The MS Windows logo looks like a tie-dyed tee shirt, and the main screens icon fonts are streaked with the pink static so as to be unreadable. When I start MSWord, the white sheet of paper is pink. Sometimes the DOS text starts pink, but the problem "cures" itself when the LCD jumps to graphics mode. Moving the screen back and forth (assuming it is a bad ribbon cable) appears to have no effect (I'm gentle). Only a cold boot. My frustration is sometimes it will happen over and over, whilst other times it will go for a couple days without problem. Fortunately, I almost exclusively use a docking station, so my normal monitor & working is unaffected. In System Properties my Display adapter is listed as a NeoMagic MagicGraph 128XD drivers v.4.10.01.0007-Q6.14.00; Monitor is listed as "Plug and Play Monitor". Mark > > At 12:08 AM 4/8/00 -0400, David Lee wrote: > >I heard alot about the "pink screen" problem with Thinkpads. > What is it? > >Does the LCD screen turn pink and is it an obvious > defect? How has IBM > >responsed to this problem? > From cph Sat Apr 8 14:10:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA01987 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:10:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19542; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:08:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19376; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19363; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004081808.OAA19363@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:08:35 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n044.otenet.gr [212.205.246.44]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2QT79S65; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:08:15 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 21:08:32 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: monitor List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA19542 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA01988 This information may already be known to most of you, but i just found out so i thought to share my experience. My win98SE had the IDE controler with a question-mark next to it, and also i couldn't find a suitable monitor definition so i had selected the "Laptop 1280x1024" which seemed to work ok. Accidently after a few searches in IBM's website i found these two products: 1) Windows 98 Supplement File IV - Version 1.00 2) ThinkPad UltraBay Hot/Warm Swap Driver - Version 1.02 The first one has a monitor definition for ThinkPad LCD screens! Plus a color definition driver! (Control Panel->Monitor->Settings->Advanced->Color profile (or something) The second has a hot/warm swap driver which is the correct driver to use on the IDE device that appears with a question mark on most systems. Both these updates dont exist in the Drivers Matrix. Plus there is a cdrom firmware update for some 600's, and a new bios update for some 600E's. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Apr 8 14:20:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA02031 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:20:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20141; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:19:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20064; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:19:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20051; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:19:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (209.15.2.37 -> janus.hosting4u.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:19:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 20264 invoked from network); 8 Apr 2000 18:19:16 -0000 Received: from aries.hosting4u.net (HELO psykolog.nu) (209.15.2.45) by janus.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 8 Apr 2000 18:19:16 -0000 Received: from thinkpad ([212.181.144.82]) by psykolog.nu ; Sat, 08 Apr 2000 13:19:12 -0500 From: "Hi-Young Kim" To: "David Lee" , Subject: RE: What is the "pink screen" problem? Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 20:19:14 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA20141 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA02032 Yes, it should be regarded as a defect. I´ve had 2 Thinkpad 600E with the same problem and IBM replaced them with no fuss. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Lee [mailto:dhlee0@attglobal.net] > Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 6:08 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: What is the "pink screen" problem? > > > I heard alot about the "pink screen" problem with Thinkpads. What is it? > Does the LCD screen turn pink and is it an obvious defect? How has IBM > responsed to this problem? > > > > From cph Sat Apr 8 14:43:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA02092 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:43:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21235; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:42:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:41:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21130; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21117; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004081841.OAA21117@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 14:41:55 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n044.otenet.gr [212.205.246.44]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2QT79S7W; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:41:38 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 21:41:55 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: opps List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA21235 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA02093 I didnt mention where to get those products, so here they are: Windows 98 Supplement File IV: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/w98sfdit.exe (for 770,600E/X) ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/w98sfdit.txt (same one but for other models) ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/w98sfdi.exe (for 600,760,765) ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/w98sfdi.txt ThinkPad UltraBay Hot/Warm Swap Driver: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/uttpswap.exe (for 6xx,7xx) ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/uttpswap.txt CD/DVD-ROM Firmware Update Utility diskette: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/cdfwjan.exe (for 3xx,5xx,6xx,7xx,iseries1400) ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/cdfwjan.txt Make sure you read the .txt files to make sure they are the correct files for your laptop. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Apr 8 17:15:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA02441 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:15:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27247; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:12:57 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27111; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:12:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:12:56 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id RAA25256 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 17:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15907; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:11:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (216.70.64.24 -> mrs-1-fix.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:11:38 -0400 Received: from c454306b (1Cust84.tnt1.bellingham.wa.da.uu.net [63.28.105.84]) by mrs-1.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA44746; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 13:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006901bfa17b$94f81980$54691c3f@c454306b> Reply-To: "peter machule" From: "peter machule" To: , "Mark Bell" References: <3.0.6.32.20000408022051.00831bb0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: Thinkpad 755 caddy ARGH! Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 09:57:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Have a couple of caddies left . $29 and I'll include shipping .(USPS) Also have a bunch of IBM 170MB HD's that were inside these . $19 and I'll include shipping.;-} Peter Machule ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Bell To: Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 2:20 AM Subject: Thinkpad 755 caddy ARGH! > I had a client call me to tell me that he wrecked > a HD upgrade for a TP 755c. He went to replace > the original 340meg HD with a 1.2gig and the > caddy turned out to be a 3rd party model of > shoddy construction (Well, that's what he > said anyhow). Upon inspection, he ripped > the cable away from the HD pin connector. It > is pretty much wrecked. I looked around for > a replacement caddy, but to no avail. Does > anyone have a hybrid/working or partial > caddy laying around or a source for a > dirt cheap replacement? Personally, I > could shoot the DX2/50 755cs he is using, > but he's fond of the POS and it's wonderful > WFWG 3.11 it runs and its massive 12megs of > POWERFUL memory! :) > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- > From cph Sat Apr 8 23:22:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA03329 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:22:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11200; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:19:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10783; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10769; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:19:35 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id XAA17518; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:19:34 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id XAA27839; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 23:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000408201107.00aae320@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 20:15:19 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000408042645.00cf82b0@pilot.msu.edu> References: <4.2.0.58.20000408005226.02f93f00@pop3.iceka1.com> <003a01bfa12f$1da12c60$27a0aec7@tp1721> <4.2.0.58.20000406125011.00a9a650@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 04:34 AM 04/08/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I am curious Randy, why the tone of this mail and others recently have >taken on such >a harsh tone? > >I'm obviously one of the ones who is just about diametrically opposed to >some of your >statements, but I don't think I've said things with the rigor and tone you >have. I'd really >hate for this discussion to slide down the path of other religious >wars. Saying "Or were >you too blind to see" is a good indicator of that. No harsh tone intended, nor is any personalization. What I don't appreciate in any debate is disingenuous-ness or demagoguery. Saying there is "overwhelming support for the i-Series" is *totally* ignorant of the percentage of critical messages on them posted in this forum. >At 01:04 AM 4/8/00 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >>At 02:50 AM 04/08/2000 -0500, you wrote: >>>| >>>| There's a lot of chintzy cheap laptops out there for me to buy, >>>| and the i-series is one of them. Its just sad that they are also called >>>| ThinkPads. >>> >>>This is literally one man's opinion. >> >> ...echoed by a number of others, as well as further expanded on >> by them. Or were you too blind to see those? >> >>> I've been watching this thread, and >>>there is overwhelming support for the i-Series, which probably explains its >>>success. >> >> Apparently you're not counting well, as the number of responses >> I've seen are about even, pro and con. >> >> Further differentiation can be found in that the majority of the >> "pro" opinions for the i-series seem to come from people who haven't >> owned a "real" ThinkPad before, and therefore have no basis for >> comparison. While the majority of the "con" opinions come from those >> who know what owning a real ThinkPad is like, in all its fit-and-finish >> totality. >> >> In summary, the majority of the "pro" opinions on the i-series >> come from people who haven't really known any better. With all due >> respect, that's like asking a teenager what they know about love--they >> think they know a hell of a lot more than they really do, lacking any >> real perspective or experience in the subject, and in fact they confuse >> it with cheap sex. Quite frankly, an opinion with little knowledge or >> experience behind it isn't worth as much as one that has those features. From cph Sun Apr 9 00:28:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA03434 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:28:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14878; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:27:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14746; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usc.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14731; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usc.edu (128.125.253.136 -> usc.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 00:27:07 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (root@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.19.184]) by usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with ESMTP id VAA20193 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:27:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppp.usc.edu (ppp-224-105.usc.edu [128.125.224.105]) by aludra.usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with SMTP id VAA19229 for ; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:27:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:29:14 -0700 Message-ID: <01BFA1A1.7CB4E620.krieger@usc.edu> From: "Martin H. Krieger" Reply-To: "krieger@usc.edu" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: 760XD dies with Small Soldiers Globotech Design Lab--What to do? Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2000 21:28:22 -0700 Organization: USC X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have something called the Small Soliders Design Lab, a CD Rom. It loads fine, and inevitably it dies with a message that in part reads /Cards/CRD2196.ss This must be about the display, I suspect, since it sometimes locks up as well. It uses DirectX version 5.0, and that is provided with the CDRom. It needs a Windows compatible SVGA card, and would prefer a 3dfx compatible card. I know the program can work on other computers, perhaps having more memory or speed, and I know that the machine has the minimum specified requirements to run it. Any hints would be appreciated. Martin krieger@usc.edu From cph Sun Apr 9 02:03:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA03624 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:03:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18127; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:01:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17953; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17940; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004090601.CAA17940@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:01:48 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-e139.otenet.gr [212.205.247.139]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2QT79TB0; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 01:01:28 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 08:57:04 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: new drive? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id CAA18127 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA03625 In the past few days something weird happened. My operating systems have detected a new harddrive in my system! Which ofcourse doesn't exist! Its reported as a 96 meg harddrive. Although i haven't added any new hardware, or changed anything. The only extra is an external USB mouse which was installed before the 'ghost' harddrive appeared. Any ideas? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Apr 9 02:37:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA03690 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:37:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19384; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:37:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19245; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19231; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:37:19 -0400 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA10664; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port34.magma.ca [209.217.123.34]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA13897; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 02:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004090637.CAA13897@mail3.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 02:34:46 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <200004090601.CAA17940@cs.utk.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: new drive? List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 08:57:04 -0500 (GMT), sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >In the past few days something weird happened. My >operating systems have detected a new harddrive in >my system! Which ofcourse doesn't exist! > >Its reported as a 96 meg harddrive. Although i >haven't added any new hardware, or changed anything. >The only extra is an external USB mouse which was >installed before the 'ghost' harddrive appeared. > >Any ideas? Could it have anything to do with a hibernation file? I only think that because of the size -- I have 96Mb of RAM and therefore a hibernation partition of just over 96Mb. andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] - ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPsdk version 1.7.1 (C) 1997-1999 Network Associates, Inc. and its affiliated companies. iQA/AwUBOPAkhmyNWkS9bbCHEQIsLwCeLIX3Pk21DCuUQ8bXV74eyy3X/cAAnjpS 8H0trbHdzvR15bG5RplpxvIQ =9DMr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Sun Apr 9 06:02:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA04023 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 06:02:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03415; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 06:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 06:00:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03245; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 06:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03230; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 06:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004091000.GAA03230@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 06:00:37 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n042.otenet.gr [212.205.246.42]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2QT79T1T; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 05:00:15 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 13:00:34 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004090637.CAA13897@mail3.magma.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: new drive? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id GAA03415 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id GAA04024 On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 02:34:46 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: >Could it have anything to do with a hibernation file? I only think >that because of the size -- I have 96Mb of RAM and therefore a >hibernation partition of just over 96Mb. That can't be, because of two things, first i only have 64megs of ram, second, my harddrive is filled 100% to capacity, so where did thouse 96megs come from? The weird thing is that thouse 96megs are not recognized as extra free space on my 6.4gig harddrive, but as a second harddrive on their own. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Apr 9 06:19:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA04050 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 06:19:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03998; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 06:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 06:19:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03918; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 06:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03905; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 06:19:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004091019.GAA03905@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 06:19:15 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n042.otenet.gr [212.205.246.42]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2QT79T10; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 05:18:56 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 13:19:16 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: warp4 on TP 600E List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id GAA03998 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id GAA04051 I've been trying to install warp4 on my 600E. Currently i've got WSeB installed, and win98 for testing. I downloaded the updated warp4 installation disks for the ThinkPads >from IBMs website (not much difference, they just have updated IDE drivers). I started the first phase of the installation, but when it first boots >from the harddrive, i get "Can not opperate your harddisk", just after the ide driver is loaded (ibm1s506.add). Any ideas? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Apr 9 08:15:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA13647 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 08:15:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06820; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 08:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 08:13:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06703; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 08:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06690; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 08:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 08:13:23 -0400 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.30) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 9 Apr 2000 08:10:17 -0400 Message-ID: <002701bfa21d$1d023b20$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Power bricks for 760ED Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 08:14:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFA1FB.9548C260" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFA1FB.9548C260 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there, I'm wondering if anyone knows of a location that I can purchass a = power brick for my 760ED. The cable has problems righ at the connetor-if = you wiggle it while the system is on, it will toggle between charging or = discharging. Thanks! -Jamie Recieve a free DVD player with 15 referalls-100 times better than that = alladvantage crap! http://www.ikena.com/contest/referral.cfm?refCID=3Dslipnfall ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFA1FB.9548C260 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there,
    I'm wondering if = anyone knows of=20 a location that I can purchass a power brick for my 760ED. The cable has = problems righ at the connetor-if you wiggle it while the system is on, = it will=20 toggle between charging or discharging.
 
Thanks!
-Jamie
Recieve a free DVD player with 15 = referalls-100=20 times better than that alladvantage crap!
htt= p://www.ikena.com/contest/referral.cfm?refCID=3Dslipnfall ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFA1FB.9548C260-- From cph Sun Apr 9 10:17:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA13894 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:17:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10026; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:15:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09865; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09852; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:15:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:15:32 -0400 Received: from tp600 (adsl-141-156-51-193.bellatlantic.net [141.156.51.193]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA29777; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:15:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "Patrick A. Forte" To: "Slip" Cc: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: Power bricks for 760ED Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 11:16:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFA215.1A8B1A40" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <002701bfa21d$1d023b20$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFA215.1A8B1A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My 760ED brick does the exact same thing. Is there any cure other than replace? Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Slip [mailto:slipnfall@planetcable.net] Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 8:14 AM To: Thinkpad List Subject: Power bricks for 760ED Hi there, I'm wondering if anyone knows of a location that I can purchass a power brick for my 760ED. The cable has problems righ at the connetor-if you wiggle it while the system is on, it will toggle between charging or discharging. Thanks! -Jamie Recieve a free DVD player with 15 referalls-100 times better than that alladvantage crap! http://www.ikena.com/contest/referral.cfm?refCID=slipnfall ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFA215.1A8B1A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My 760ED=20 brick does the exact same thing.  Is there any cure other than=20 replace?
 
Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: Slip=20 [mailto:slipnfall@planetcable.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 09, = 2000 8:14=20 AM
To: Thinkpad List
Subject: Power bricks for=20 760ED

Hi there,
    I'm wondering if = anyone knows=20 of a location that I can purchass a power brick for my 760ED. The = cable has=20 problems righ at the connetor-if you wiggle it while the system is on, = it will=20 toggle between charging or discharging.
 
Thanks!
-Jamie
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------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFA215.1A8B1A40-- From cph Sun Apr 9 10:59:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA14016 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:59:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11373; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:58:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11290; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11271; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:58:57 -0400 Received: from denhall (tc2-42.ismi.net [207.51.180.97]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA02515 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008d01bfa23d$8a909860$61b433cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: Subject: ThinkPad 720's -- $30/ea in qty. 3 or more... Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 11:06:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008A_01BFA213.A0E05D00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BFA213.A0E05D00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello... I have a friend needing to move some ThinkPad 720's from his = inventory--FAST. these were part of a larger purchase...and I thought there might be some = interest among the group for a cheap purchase... Units are Mono display, 25 and 50mhz mix... and are missing HD's. = Otherwise OK. $30/ea. in qty 3 or more. Let me know quickly if you'd like any. = Immediately available for shipment. Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan denhall@ismi.net ------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BFA213.A0E05D00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello...
I have a = friend needing to=20 move some ThinkPad 720's from his inventory--FAST.
these were part of a larger purchase...and I thought = there=20 might be some interest among the group for a cheap = purchase...
 
Units are Mono display, 25 and 50mhz mix... and are = missing=20 HD's.  Otherwise OK.
$30/ea. in qty 3 or more.  Let me know quickly = if you'd=20 like any.  Immediately available for shipment.
 
Have a Great Day,
Denis Hall, = Michigan
denhall@ismi.net
------=_NextPart_000_008A_01BFA213.A0E05D00-- From cph Sun Apr 9 13:47:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA14693 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:47:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16803; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:46:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16613; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16600; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.89 -> web116.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:46:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 7389 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Apr 2000 17:46:08 -0000 Message-ID: <20000409174608.7388.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web116.yahoomail.com; Sun, 09 Apr 2000 10:46:08 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 10:46:08 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Older computers To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I still have a 700C and it is really slow but reliable and the keyboard has a very high quality feel and the display is beautiful. I also have a newer 760EL but it sometimes doesn't start, has been repaired twice and the keyboard and display are crap! --- rudolph wratten wrote: > Hello. > > Yes some people have older thinkpads. > I really like the 701, and the 730 is really > reliable, > in light of my Z50 that died within a week of use. > And that thing was brand > new. The point is, perhaps some of the older > computers are somwhat of a > bore,, when set besides the latest > i series, but they are what some people like. And is > not that what matters, > thinkpad or not?. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Sun Apr 9 14:48:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA14915 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:48:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18916; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:47:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18714; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18701; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:47:49 -0400 Received: from default - 63.27.202.204 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 11:47:45 -0700 Message-ID: <000b01bfa253$b460eee0$ccca1b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Computer sources Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 13:44:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Can anyone point me in the direction of some of these sources for older thinkpads? I'd like to get some CHEAP and restore/repair them for the kids in our area that can't afford them. I've been bidding on some 360's, but jeez they seem to go for as much of the pentiums! Any help would be appreciated, this list has been extremely valuable to me in the past and present, thanks!! Brad Burean From cph Sun Apr 9 14:52:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA14938 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:52:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19232; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:52:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19139; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19129; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:52:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.10 -> imo20.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:52:23 -0400 Received: from JWeinst436@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id o.78.3b3fde2 (7879) for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <78.3b3fde2.26222b5d@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:52:13 EDT Subject: 730t question To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 102 List-Unsubscribe: Okay Guys, Maybe you can help me out on this one. I have a 730 T and finally the operating system installed with Win 95 and pen services for Win 95. I went to the setup menu and set up the digitizer. The pen worked fine there, when I restarted it and tried to use the pen--I noticed that the arrow would follow the pen but I could not get it to click on anything, that is---depressing the barrel on the stylus does nothing and tapping the screen repeatedly does not work. What I am left with is a tablet that boots up fine to Windows 95, but i can do nothing after that. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Jay W. From cph Sun Apr 9 15:41:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA15076 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:41:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20905; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:41:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:41:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20809; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20796; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:41:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (207.115.153.20 -> smtppop1.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:41:11 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop1.gte.net with SMTP ; id OAA12317352 Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:40:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004091940.OAA12317352@smtppop1.gte.net> To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:41:05 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: warp4 on TP 600E List-Unsubscribe: Addressed to: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Thinkpad List ** Reply to note from "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Sun, 09 Apr 2000 13:19:16 -0500 (GMT) > I downloaded the updated warp4 installation disks for the ThinkPads > from IBMs website (not much difference, they just have updated IDE > drivers). I started the first phase of the installation, but when it first boots > from the harddrive, i get "Can not opperate your harddisk", just after > the ide driver is loaded (ibm1s506.add). Try using Danis506.add in place of the IBM driver. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/09/00, 14:41:02 From cph Sun Apr 9 16:10:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA15141 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:10:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22464; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:08:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22235; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:08:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22222; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:08:16 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.5.45]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000409200814.HWDJ15559.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@compaq> for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 20:08:14 +0000 Message-ID: <38F0E330.790E@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 16:08:16 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Office Pro 97/MS Word and ThinkPads 755CD Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have found that installing Word 97 on a 755CD (Win95 OSR2) causes suspend/hibernate to fail (locks up), and that the system will lock up when the Battery "beeps" at around 50% Uninstalling Word solves the problems Anyuone got a patch or cure for this? Thanks! From cph Sun Apr 9 16:26:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA15196 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:26:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23267; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:26:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23166; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zrz.tu-berlin.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23152; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zrz.tu-berlin.de (130.149.4.15 -> mail.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:26:09 -0400 Received: from hekk.prz.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.237.34] ident=root) by mail.zrz.tu-berlin.de with esmtp (exim-3.13) id 12eOHW-00050P-00; Sun, 09 Apr 2000 22:26:07 +0200 Received: from localhost (IDENT:michey@localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hekk.prz.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31497; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:26:09 +0200 Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:26:08 +0200 (CEST) From: Michael Eyrich To: Bruce Markowitz cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Office Pro 97/MS Word and ThinkPads 755CD In-Reply-To: <38F0E330.790E@worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Did you try to re-install the thinkpad tools after the word installation? In M$-systems M$-applications tend to change system libraries ... Michael On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Bruce Markowitz wrote: |I have found that installing Word 97 on a 755CD (Win95 OSR2) causes |suspend/hibernate to fail (locks up), and that the system will lock up |when the Battery "beeps" at around 50% |Uninstalling Word solves the problems |Anyuone got a patch or cure for this? |Thanks! | | -- Michael Eyrich, PRZ, TU-Berlin, Germany michey@prz.tu-berlin.de From cph Sun Apr 9 16:54:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA15369 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:54:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24506; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:54:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24427; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.goldengate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24413; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:54:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from main.goldengate.net (206.8.8.3 -> main.goldengate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 16:54:17 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (bigdog-160-98.goldengate.net [216.250.160.98]) by main.goldengate.net (8.8.7/8.7.2) with SMTP id PAA16318 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 15:54:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004092054.PAA16318@main.goldengate.net> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 14:43:55 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 755CD NT4 Install... X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.52 b52 List-Unsubscribe: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The following message is forwarded to you by skunberg@goldengate.net (listed as the From user of this message). The original sender (see the header, below) was Blaine Hufnagle and has been set as the "Reply-To" field of this message. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by main.goldengate.net (8.8.7/8.7.2) with ESMTP id VAA14032 for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 21:42:19 -0500 (CDT) >Received: from shadow-book (tfx-us15-24.ix.netcom.com [207.94.236.24]) > by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA11101 > for ; Fri, 7 Apr 2000 22:42:15 -0400 (EDT) >Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000407213332.01e76a10@popd.ix.netcom.com> >X-Sender: powrlftr@popd.ix.netcom.com >X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) >Date: Fri, 07 Apr 2000 21:33:32 -0500 >To: >From: Blaine Hufnagle >Subject: Thinkpad 755CD NT4 Install... >Mime-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >X-UIDL: 3c278a8a2782cb77defc49acd6ed638a > Hi, I have a 755cd that the floppy drive or the cd drive may be > installed but not both. I got a 1 gig HD with bare DOS 5.0 on it and would > like to install a OEM version of NT 4.0. The OEM version of NT comes with > 3 floppy's, a cd and a second cd with 3.0 service pack. How do I install > this OS without being able to have both drives in? Thank's in advance > for the insight!!! How's this coming? Did you have success? I just finished an NT4 install about a month ago on a 755CD-Pentium, and may be able to help with any probs... The system has been running flawlessly with the exception of my own stupidity. -blaine The Zen Method of Big Rig: Grasshopper, truck will shift itself if you are one with it.- Bill Keith (Cruising the Info-Bahn in a Freightliner dry van :-) DoD #7192 (but no bike) Powerlifting LIFE - The rest is details. http://www.powerbear.com ----------------------------------------------------- -- End of forwarded message ----------------------------------------------------- Thank you for asking, I was at DOS 5 without cd support. Upgraded to 6.2 and added windows 3.1. Only to find that the CD well not read. It spins up and the light flashes then I get a error (CDR101: Not ready readingdrive D Abort, Retry, Fail?) when tring to use a command (dir, ect.). I know the drive worked a few months ago with the old HD (340 meg) with 95 that I traded away for this 1.2 gig HD (blank). So I'm hardware stuck before I can get any further with the software :( Any ideas on my cheapest out to get NT 4 on this old 755cd? Trouble shoot the cd? Replace the CD? Cheap HD with NT4 installed? Other ideas? Many thank's in advance!! -- ----------------------------------------------------------- skunberg@goldengate.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Apr 9 17:35:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA15533 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:35:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26833; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:34:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26678; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26665; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:34:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:34:28 -0400 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([135.145.254.78]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000409213427.NOZK14374.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:34:27 +0000 Received: from [24.4.137.24] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Sun, 09 Apr 2000 21:34:26 +0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600X 2nd IDE Problem Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 21:34:26 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Feb 6 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: isaac.graham@att.net Message-Id: <20000409213427.NOZK14374.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: I have Win98SE loaded on this laptop and yesterday encountered a problem when trying to access a PCMCIA memory card from my Digital camera. When I 1st tried to load this Win98 had a problem "seeing" it. While the PCMCIA slot indicated that the card was detected (the TP600X "beeped" whan I first inserted it) Win98 did not see the drive. The device manager had a exclamation mark over the device driver. On a hunch (a bad one it turned out) I removed the 2nd standard Bus Mastering IDE Hard Drive Controller just to see if this would force the camera memory card to be recognized. It worked but of course now my CD-ROM drive was now gone. I then, after removing the camera memory card rebooted expecting Win98 to "find" the second IDE interface of the TP600X. Much to my chagrine it did not!!! I've tried everthing to bring it back but with no luck! Can someone help me :-(? Thanks. From cph Sun Apr 9 17:41:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA15568 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:41:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27272; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:41:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27196; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27183; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 17:41:10 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA28968; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 11:40:57 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000a01bfa26c$63bf1ca0$e962183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Patrick A. Forte" , "Slip" Cc: "Thinkpad List" References: Subject: Re: Power bricks for 760ED Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 11:41:37 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I just went through this on my 560 power brick a couple of weeks ago (including posting here for help, etc). In my case I had to crack the brick (nontrivial, involved breaking the glue join around the perimeter), and completely remove both the strain relief connector at the end of the power cord - this is a pity, since that relief is *also* a coax to twin lead adapter, so the connection I kludged in its place is nowhere near as pretty. - David R> ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick A. Forte To: Slip Cc: Thinkpad List Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 5:16 AM Subject: RE: Power bricks for 760ED My 760ED brick does the exact same thing. Is there any cure other than replace? Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Slip [mailto:slipnfall@planetcable.net] Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 8:14 AM To: Thinkpad List Subject: Power bricks for 760ED Hi there, I'm wondering if anyone knows of a location that I can purchass a power brick for my 760ED. The cable has problems righ at the connetor-if you wiggle it while the system is on, it will toggle between charging or discharging. Thanks! -Jamie Recieve a free DVD player with 15 referalls-100 times better than that alladvantage crap! http://www.ikena.com/contest/referral.cfm?refCID=slipnfall From cph Sun Apr 9 19:18:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA15908 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:18:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01745; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:15:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01566; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01553; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:15:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:15:36 -0400 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.30) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 9 Apr 2000 19:12:29 -0400 Message-ID: <003a01bfa279$9d85d700$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: , References: <78.3b3fde2.26222b5d@aol.com> Subject: Re: 730t question Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:16:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Jay, What you need to do is set the digitizer sensitivity in the BIOS. Depress the suspend button while powering on the system. Continue to hold the suspend button until you see the copyright data(and amount of RAM). From there it's pretty much self-explainatory. That should do it! -Jamie Maybe you can help me out on this one. I have a 730 T and finally the operating system installed with Win 95 and pen services for Win 95. I went to the setup menu and set up the digitizer. The pen worked fine there, when I restarted it and tried to use the pen--I noticed that the arrow would follow the pen but I could not get it to click on anything, that is---depressing the barrel on the stylus does nothing and tapping the screen repeatedly does not work. What I am left with is a tablet that boots up fine to Windows 95, but i can do nothing after that. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Jay W. From cph Sun Apr 9 19:31:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA15940 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:31:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02558; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:30:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02468; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02453; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:30:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (207.115.153.21 -> smtppop2.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:30:47 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop2.gte.net with SMTP for ; id SAA12686550 Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:31:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004092331.SAA12686550@smtppop2.gte.net> To: Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:30:44 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: 730t question List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "Slip" Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:16:19 -0400 > Depress the suspend button while powering on the system. Continue to hold > the suspend button until you see the copyright data(and amount of RAM). From > there it's pretty much self-explainatory. I've seen this mentioned before and have tried it and it doesn't work on my machine. I have one of the 730T suitcase models. The suspend button suspends the system just fine, but holding it down while powering on the system has no effect unless I hold it down until the "Starting Windows 95" message appears and then it suspends the system. Were these made so no one can mess with the BIOS? Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/09/00, 18:30:42 From cph Sun Apr 9 21:23:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA16239 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:23:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08737; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:21:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08480; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08465; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:21:47 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.219] (helo=139-142-112-219.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 12eSte-00089Q-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:21:46 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 keyboard replacement Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:22:33 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: Lines: 8 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Supposedly the market will be flooded with these Real Soon Now. Anybody know when? I need two. -- cheers Jonathan http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/hecate.htm Roads vs Rocks & Neighbourhoods From cph Sun Apr 9 21:44:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA16296 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:44:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09783; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:44:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09639; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3805.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09625; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3805.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.176 -> web3805.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:44:33 -0400 Message-ID: <20000410014427.15073.qmail@web3805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.15.109.121] by web3805.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 09 Apr 2000 18:44:27 PDT Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 18:44:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: RE: Power bricks for 760ED To: Thinkpad List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I have this same problem with both my IBM power supply for my 760XD and a year old Battery Tech power supply. The problem I belive is these are designed with really cheap cords, and then they really rack you for it. Garrett Kaste. --- "Patrick A. Forte" wrote: > My 760ED brick does the exact same thing. Is there > any cure other than > replace? > > Patrick > -----Original Message----- > From: Slip [mailto:slipnfall@planetcable.net] > Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 8:14 AM > To: Thinkpad List > Subject: Power bricks for 760ED > > > Hi there, > I'm wondering if anyone knows of a location > that I can purchass a > power brick for my 760ED. The cable has problems > righ at the connetor-if you > wiggle it while the system is on, it will toggle > between charging or > discharging. > > Thanks! > -Jamie > Recieve a free DVD player with 15 referalls-100 > times better than that > alladvantage crap! > > http://www.ikena.com/contest/referral.cfm?refCID=slipnfall > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Sun Apr 9 22:04:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA16336 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:04:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10950; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:03:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10848; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10834; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:03:39 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.51.201]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000410020334.BXNE20062.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:03:34 +0000 Message-ID: <38F13674.793C@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 22:03:32 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Eyrich CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Office Pro 97/MS Word and ThinkPads 755CD References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The answer is to download the Service Release 1 (8MB), AND Service Release 2 (24MB!!). That seems to cure all. Michael Eyrich wrote: > > Did you try to re-install the thinkpad tools after the word installation? > In M$-systems M$-applications tend to change system libraries ... > > Michael > > On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > |I have found that installing Word 97 on a 755CD (Win95 OSR2) causes > |suspend/hibernate to fail (locks up), and that the system will lock up > |when the Battery "beeps" at around 50% > |Uninstalling Word solves the problems > |Anyuone got a patch or cure for this? > |Thanks! > | > | > > -- > Michael Eyrich, PRZ, TU-Berlin, Germany > michey@prz.tu-berlin.de From cph Sun Apr 9 22:13:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA16353 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:13:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11746; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:12:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:12:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11645; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11632; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.101 -> pilot001.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:12:42 -0400 Received: from android.msu.edu (pm451-20.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.78]) by pilot001.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA57656 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:12:40 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000409220845.00cfb6e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 22:12:08 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Office Pro 97/MS Word and ThinkPads 755CD In-Reply-To: <38F13674.793C@worldnet.att.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: These are needed for Y2K reasons, too. When applying these, do the SR1 *FIRST*. Failure to do this messes things up and you'll have to reinstall all of office Again. Then install the SR2b patch. Note that there is a SR2a patch out there as well--don't use that one, use SR2b. If you are going to the MS site you likely won't find SR2a anywhere, but if you are getting stuff from some place that did Y2K remediation, make sure they are using SR2b. Lastly, good luck with them. When I was using these last year, every once in a while SR1 would blow up the machine I was working on. --STeve Andre' At 10:03 PM 4/9/00 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >The answer is to download the Service Release 1 (8MB), AND Service >Release 2 (24MB!!). That seems to cure all. > >Michael Eyrich wrote: > > > > Did you try to re-install the thinkpad tools after the word installation? > > In M$-systems M$-applications tend to change system libraries ... > > > > Michael > > > > On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > > > |I have found that installing Word 97 on a 755CD (Win95 OSR2) causes > > |suspend/hibernate to fail (locks up), and that the system will lock up > > |when the Battery "beeps" at around 50% > > |Uninstalling Word solves the problems > > |Anyuone got a patch or cure for this? > > |Thanks! > > | > > | > > > > -- > > Michael Eyrich, PRZ, TU-Berlin, Germany > > michey@prz.tu-berlin.de From cph Sun Apr 9 22:59:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA16466 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:59:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14033; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:58:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13888; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13861; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Apr 2000 22:58:31 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a15.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.175]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AFD025E6B; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 19:58:26 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <38F14353.782868C9@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:58:27 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (OS/2; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garrett Kaste Cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Power bricks for 760ED References: <20000410014427.15073.qmail@web3805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Garrett Kaste wrote: > > I have this same problem with both my IBM power supply > for my 760XD and a year old Battery Tech power supply. > The problem I belive is these are designed with > really cheap cords, and then they really rack you for > it. Mine "broke" at the point where the power supply accepts mains (wall) power. Called IBM Ez-serve and they happily replaced it. If your system is still under warrenty, so is the power supply (three years for most 760 systems). If not look at most of the on-line catalog supply folks. You can safely use ANY of the four wire (two power and two sense that the "brick" is plugged into an appropriate system) power supplies. James Mckenzie From cph Mon Apr 10 02:56:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA17234 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:56:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10782; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:54:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10492; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10478; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004100654.CAA10478@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:54:55 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-d184.otenet.gr [212.205.239.184]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2TTBMJTX; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:54:34 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:55:29 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004091940.OAA12317352@smtppop1.gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: warp4 on TP 600E List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id CAA10782 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA17237 On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:41:05, m.o.davis@gte.net wrote: >> I downloaded the updated warp4 installation disks for the ThinkPads >> from IBMs website (not much difference, they just have updated IDE >> drivers). I started the first phase of the installation, but when it first boots >> from the harddrive, i get "Can not opperate your harddisk", just after >> the ide driver is loaded (ibm1s506.add). > >Try using Danis506.add in place of the IBM driver. i did, it doesn't make any difference, same error. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Apr 10 02:56:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA17240 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:56:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10785; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:55:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10521; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10508; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004100655.CAA10508@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:55:05 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-d184.otenet.gr [212.205.239.184]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2TTBMJTZ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:54:45 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:58:04 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000409213427.NOZK14374.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: TP600X 2nd IDE Problem List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id CAA10785 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA17241 On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 21:34:26 +0000, isaac.graham@att.net wrote: >out) I removed the 2nd standard Bus Mastering IDE Hard >Drive Controller just to see if this would force the >camera memory card to be recognized. It worked but of >course now my CD-ROM drive was now gone. I then, after >removing the camera memory card rebooted expecting Win98 >to "find" the second IDE interface of the TP600X. Much >to my chagrine it did not!!! I've tried everthing to >bring it back but with no luck! Can someone help me :-(? >Thanks. I once accidently disabled my main IDE controller on my 600E which basicaly disabled my harddrive and cdrom. In the end i had to remove the main battery, which fixed the problem. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Apr 10 02:58:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA17248 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:58:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11278; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:58:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11199; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11178; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:58:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004100658.CAA11178@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 02:58:33 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-d184.otenet.gr [212.205.239.184]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2TTBMJ4P; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 01:58:12 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:58:32 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: init string List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id CAA11278 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA17249 I just thought to share this with you, after reading all the documentation on every command of the internal modem that my 600E has, i came up with this init string: AT\Q3Q0V1X3\V1%E2%C0\A4\L0\N7"H3"N2M0W1S6=1S11=80S24=1 After lots of testing that init string gives alteast 3.9kb/s transfer rates, one of the reasons is that it disables compression, since most people download already compressed files anyway. Dunno if it works ok with 56k, since it has only been tested under OS/2 and the OS/2 modem drivers go up to 33.6. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Apr 10 03:19:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA17326 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:19:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12944; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:19:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12837; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12821; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:18:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18188 for ; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:19:06 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:19:06 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ANyone using Windows Millennium Beta? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Greetings TPers: Is there anyone out there using Windows Millennium Beta? Or even on the 770's? Just wanted to know if anyone happens to have the CD since I need the \drivers directory. Thanks. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Mon Apr 10 03:28:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA17341 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:28:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13960; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:28:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:28:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13833; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13820; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 03:28:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18325; Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:28:16 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:28:16 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: init string In-Reply-To: <200004100658.CAA11178@cs.utk.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id DAA13960 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA17342 On Mon, 10 Apr 2000, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: Actually, if the modem is actually the one that uses the ThinkPad DSP, then it is basically licensed code from USRobotics so using the init string from something like QModem would be better. S11=50 would be optimized. I have been using 9600 bps modems since 1987 when there was even a standard yet. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > I just thought to share this with you, after reading all the documentation > on every command of the internal modem that my 600E has, i came > up with this init string: > > AT\Q3Q0V1X3\V1%E2%C0\A4\L0\N7"H3"N2M0W1S6=1S11=80S24=1 > > After lots of testing that init string gives alteast 3.9kb/s transfer rates, one > of the reasons is that it disables compression, since most people download > already compressed files anyway. > > Dunno if it works ok with 56k, since it has only been tested under OS/2 and > the OS/2 modem drivers go up to 33.6. > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > > From cph Mon Apr 10 05:27:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA17752 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 05:27:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26091; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 05:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 05:26:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25939; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 05:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25911; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 05:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (193.52.64.50 -> uhbhic.uhb.fr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 05:25:30 -0400 Received: from tp-770 (cb1343.rec.uhb.fr [172.16.5.13]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.3) with SMTP id LAA09791 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:23:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <008201bfa2cf$306ad160$0d0510ac@tp-770> From: "Sylvestre Meininger" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Li-ion batteries Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 11:28:52 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01BFA2DF.F2BDE080" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Message en plusieurs parties et au format MIME. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BFA2DF.F2BDE080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi there. I know there's been some extensive discussion around batteries recently, = but I don't think this question has been answered. Sorry if it has :) =20 - 770ed & 560z - From what I've read here and on IBM's web site, batteries should = be removed when the machine is connected to AC power. Right ? - BUT, should the battery be fully discharged before being removed = for an extended period of time ? - OR, should it be fully charged and then let to slowly discharge = outside the TP (both 770's and 560's batteries do that) ? Thanks for any help on the subject. sylvestre = meininger ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BFA2DF.F2BDE080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi there.
 
I know there's been some extensive discussion around = batteries=20 recently, but I don't think this question has been answered. Sorry if it = has=20 :)
   
    - 770ed & 560z
    - From what I've read here and on = IBM's web=20 site, batteries should be removed when the machine is connected to AC = power.=20 Right ?
    - BUT, should the battery be = fully=20 discharged before being removed for an extended period of time = ?
    - OR, should it be fully charged = and then=20 let to slowly discharge outside the TP (both 770's and 560's batteries = do that)=20 ?
 
Thanks for any help on the subject.
        =    =20             =    =20             =    =20             sylvestre=20 meininger
------=_NextPart_000_007F_01BFA2DF.F2BDE080-- From cph Mon Apr 10 09:17:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA18603 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:17:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07406; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:15:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07218; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07205; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:15:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (207.115.153.21 -> smtppop2.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:15:55 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop2.gte.net with SMTP for ; id IAA12736356 Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:16:23 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004101316.IAA12736356@smtppop2.gte.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:15:53 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: warp4 on TP 600E List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:55:29 -0500 (GMT) > >Try using Danis506.add in place of the IBM driver. > > i did, it doesn't make any difference, same error. Did you put SET COPYFROMFLOPPY=1 in your CONFIG.SYS on the appropriate installation diskette? If you don't, you'll get the original IBM1S506.ADD installed and you will see the symptoms you are seeing. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/10/00, 08:15:23 From cph Mon Apr 10 12:29:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA20019 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:29:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23472; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:27:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23232; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23219; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:27:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (199.224.64.57 -> bean.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:27:45 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp95.epix.net [199.224.125.95]) by bean.epix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/1999100101/PL) with SMTP id MAA29332 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004101627.MAA29332@bean.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:19:22 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Help - 755CE hibernation file X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.1 c10 List-Unsubscribe: I have a venerable but serviceable 755CE to which I am in the process of doing a major software upgrade. It used to be dual boot, warp 3 with IAK and DOS/Win 31. I've attacked it with Partition Magic to: a. remove boot mgr and the DOS partition (and then I expanded the HPFS C partition to fill the space) b. Converted the D partition from FAT to HPFS. This was a BIG TIME mistake - it seems that the hibernation file is written to that partition, and the HPFS file system is currently lacking a root directory (CHKDSK /F:2 is churning away as I type, but I'm not sure that much is going to be recovered). So now (or after I reformat) I will have HPFS C, D, and E. What do I do about a hibernation file in this setup - I have 40 meg of ram? I also have a bunch of updates to the tpad files I pulled off of the IBM site a while back - hopefully this will get the modem and the thinkpad features working again, but wouldn't mind a pointer to something that tells me what file is what. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org WarpTech 2000: May 26-28 in Phoenix - plan NOW to attend! www.warptech.org -- -- ... File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N) From cph Mon Apr 10 12:37:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA20080 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:37:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24437; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:36:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24330; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24296; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:36:36 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA09674; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:36:10 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Sylvestre Meininger" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Li-ion batteries Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:36:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008201bfa2cf$306ad160$0d0510ac@tp-770> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > - From what I've read here and on IBM's web site, batteries > should be removed when the machine is connected to AC power. Right ? It all depends on your priorities. Do you want maximum battery life or maximum data life? If you keep the battery out of the machine, it will last longer. If you keep the battery in the machine, it will protect you from power failures (including the inevitable time when you accidentally pull the power connector out of the ThinkPad). Myself, I vote for #2, so I keep the battery in the machine. But assuming you prefer #1... > - BUT, should the battery be fully discharged before being > removed for an extended period of time ? > - OR, should it be fully charged and then let to slowly > discharge outside the TP (both 770's and 560's batteries do that) ? In terms of battery life, it probably makes no difference. But it's certainly more useful to have a fully charged or partially charged battery on hand than a battery with no charge at all. Bottom line: What's good for *you* is more important than what's good for the battery. -Mike p.s. Recommend you post messages to the list in plain text format instead of HTML if possible. Thanks! From cph Mon Apr 10 13:45:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20578 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:45:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00745; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:44:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:43:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00541; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00531; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:43:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.70 -> imo26.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:43:30 -0400 Received: from Bmwm61@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id o.26.41d0e3f (4598) for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <26.41d0e3f.26236cbb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:43:23 EDT Subject: 730T Boot Disk To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 List-Unsubscribe: How do I create another bootable ATA HDD. When I try with Win3.1, I get an access denied message. When I use DOS,"format /s" turns out to be a bad command. Jim From cph Mon Apr 10 14:07:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20736 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:07:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03068; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:05:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02817; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02802; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004101805.OAA02802@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:05:29 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-d230.otenet.gr [212.205.239.230]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2TTBMJ0B; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:05:04 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:05:23 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004101316.IAA12736356@smtppop2.gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: warp4 on TP 600E List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA03068 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA20737 On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 08:15:53, m.o.davis@gte.net wrote: >Did you put >SET COPYFROMFLOPPY=1 >in your CONFIG.SYS on the appropriate installation diskette? If you don't, >you'll get the original IBM1S506.ADD installed and you will see the symptoms >you are seeing. I've been using OS/2 since version 2.11, trust me, i wouldn't miss that option :) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Apr 10 14:10:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20753 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:10:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03360; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:09:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03265; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:09:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03248; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004101809.OAA03248@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:09:04 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-d230.otenet.gr [212.205.239.230]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2TTBMJ0H; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:08:42 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:09:04 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004101627.MAA29332@bean.epix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Help - 755CE hibernation file List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA03360 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA20754 On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:19:22 -0400, Julian Thomas wrote: >So now (or after I reformat) I will have HPFS C, D, and E. What do I do >about a hibernation file in this setup - I have 40 meg of ram? dont know the answer to that, i've never used hibernation....yet :) >I also have a bunch of updates to the tpad files I pulled off of the IBM >site a while back - hopefully this will get the modem and the thinkpad >features working again, but wouldn't mind a pointer to something that >tells me what file is what. go to www.ibm.com/thinkpad and click on "Services" then click on the model number of your TP and click on "Driver Matrix", it should be somewhere under the "Download" pages. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Apr 10 15:11:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21238 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:11:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09196; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:09:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08986; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08973; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tdl.com (206.180.224.3 -> tdl.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:09:01 -0400 Received: from chuck (pm1i-210.tdl.com [206.180.234.210]) by tdl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA27189 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:09:02 -0700 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:08:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Removing win95 options cab after upgrade Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Message-ID: <38F1C457.28999.91570@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: I've upgraded my ThinkPad 600E to Win98SE. I copied all the cabs off of the Win98SE CD onto a "win98" directory on my c drive and then installed from the drive, rather than the CD. So my question is: Can I delete the the ORIGINAL directory of c:\windows\options\cabs from the hard drive (since I assume anytime that the Windows now needs a file for driver installation, etc,) it will look in c:\win98?? Thanks From cph Mon Apr 10 15:47:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21551 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:47:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12230; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:46:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12120; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12105; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:46:08 -0400 Received: from Hades ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA22889 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:42:54 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: "'TP List'" Subject: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:46:44 -0500 Message-ID: <002801bfa32d$e2916b20$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000408005226.02f93f00@pop3.iceka1.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Folks, I popped for an Andrea ANC-600 Microphone and picked up a copy of IBM ViaVoice Executive to set up my TP600 for voice dictation. Everything works, but I'm having problems with the jack. I plug blue TP adapter plug into the "mic in" on the side of the TP, then plug the jack into the blue adapter. No signal. Then I unplug the headphone jack, and slowly reinsert back into the adapter plug until it just touches but doesn't click. Now it works. I tape the thing together so it doesn't pull back out, and start training. Under Devices, Every Crystal PnP Audio driver is loaded correctly under Sound, video & Game Controllers. No conflicts in Win98, etc. The microphone works properly on another PC. Something's obviously wrong - any ideas? Mark From cph Mon Apr 10 15:51:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21599 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:51:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12739; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:50:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12613; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12600; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.103 -> pilot003.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:50:16 -0400 Received: from android.msu.edu (rohde.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.42]) by pilot003.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA48386; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:50:12 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000410153431.00d00a40@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:50:57 -0400 To: cblaisd@tdl.com, From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Removing win95 options cab after upgrade In-Reply-To: <38F1C457.28999.91570@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Yes, you can delete the original cabs, as long as you're sure that you have upgraded to SE. I'd blast the originals, and then move the SE cabs to windows\options\cabs just like before. STeve Andre' At 12:08 PM 4/10/00 -0700, Chuck Blaisdell wrote: >I've upgraded my ThinkPad 600E to Win98SE. I copied all the cabs off >of the Win98SE CD onto a "win98" directory on my c drive and then >installed from the drive, rather than the CD. > >So my question is: Can I delete the the ORIGINAL directory of >c:\windows\options\cabs from the hard drive (since I assume anytime that >the Windows now needs a file for driver installation, etc,) it will look in >c:\win98?? > >Thanks From cph Mon Apr 10 16:26:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA21904 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:26:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15685; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:24:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15472; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:24:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15453; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:24:42 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id NAA11145 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:22:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000410131955.04b144e0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:22:25 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice In-Reply-To: <002801bfa32d$e2916b20$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> References: <4.2.0.58.20000408005226.02f93f00@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:46 PM 4/10/2000 , you wrote: >Folks, > >I popped for an Andrea ANC-600 Microphone and >picked up a copy of IBM ViaVoice Executive to >set up my TP600 for voice dictation. > >Everything works, but I'm having problems with >the jack. I plug blue TP adapter plug into the >"mic in" on the side of the TP, then plug the >jack into the blue adapter. No signal. Then >I unplug the headphone jack, and slowly reinsert >back into the adapter plug until it just touches >but doesn't click. Now it works. I tape the >thing together so it doesn't pull back out, and >start training. > >Under Devices, Every Crystal PnP Audio driver >is loaded correctly under Sound, video & Game >Controllers. No conflicts in Win98, etc. The >microphone works properly on another PC. > >Something's obviously wrong - any ideas? Just to eliminate the obvious, try using the microphone and the headphones under another program (like the MS .WAV recorder). It shouldn't be a software problem, but this will confirm it one way or another. Another obvious thought is to try another microphone and headphone on the TP600 and see if things work correctly or not. -- David Goldman From cph Mon Apr 10 16:52:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA22160 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:52:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18148; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:51:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18048; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18035; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:51:03 -0400 Received: from ibm ([12.77.216.237]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000410204937.SXBE20062.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@ibm>; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:49:37 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01bfa32e$2d563230$edd84d0c@ibm> From: "Birger Petterson" To: , "'TP List'" References: <002801bfa32d$e2916b20$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> Subject: Re: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:48:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > Folks, > > I popped for an Andrea ANC-600 Microphone and > picked up a copy of IBM ViaVoice Executive to > set up my TP600 for voice dictation. > > Everything works, but I'm having problems with > the jack. I plug blue TP adapter plug into the > "mic in" on the side of the TP, then plug the > jack into the blue adapter. No signal Push it in all the way. > Under Devices, Every Crystal PnP Audio driver > is loaded correctly under Sound, video & Game > Controllers. No conflicts in Win98, etc. The > microphone works properly on another PC. > > Something's obviously wrong - any ideas? In device mgr find something mentioning 401 and inactivate it. Keep in touch. Birger From cph Mon Apr 10 17:46:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA22657 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:46:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22259; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:44:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21918; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orwell.dns-host.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21905; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orwell.dns-host.com (209.235.102.25) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:44:49 -0400 Received: from sod2038 ([137.53.68.115]) by orwell.dns-host.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA15545; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001701bfa336$0cfc8360$73443589@ohsu.edu> Reply-To: "AC Brown" From: "AC Brown" To: "thinkpad" , Subject: Re: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:45:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Date: 2000 Apr 10 To: thinkpad@cs,utk.edu, mlemon@hickseq.com From: AC Brown Subj: Re: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice I have a TP 570, which is suspect is similar to the TP 600 re audio input and output, and encountered the same problem with the microphone/headset, Andrea ANC-600, that I ordered from Speech Controlled Computer Systems. Going by the information in the SCCS and Andrea (www.andreaelectronics.com) web sites, I ordered the Thinkpad Adapter (Andrea T100) along with the headset. However, the Thinkpad Adapter didn't work with the TP 570 because the TP570 doesn't have the metal outer shell power tap present on some earlier TPs. Instead, the TP 570 is "SoundBlaster compatible", which I guess means that the power tap is the tip of the microphone jack. To use this, you need the Andrea P100 Power Plug Adapter (labeled "Converter Plug"), which came free with the ANC-600 that I ordered from SCCS. Using the Converter Plug on the external microphone input, the microphone worked fine. Hope this helps. Arthur Brown From cph Mon Apr 10 18:06:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA22855 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:06:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24064; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:05:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23951; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23938; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:05:11 -0400 Received: from Hades ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA27499; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: "'Birger Petterson'" , "'TP List'" Subject: RE: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:05:50 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bfa341$52031a40$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <000f01bfa32e$2d563230$edd84d0c@ibm> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Birger, 2 good ideas, but neither worked! I remember clicking the box to enable "401" months ago, but it never changed anything. Disabling it again doesn't seemed to have helped either. Also, no signal in into MS Sound Recorder application unless I put the plug partially out as described below. Any other ideas? Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Birger Petterson [mailto:BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 2:49 PM > To: mlemon@hickseq.com; 'TP List' > Subject: Re: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice > > > Folks, > > > > I popped for an Andrea ANC-600 Microphone and > > picked up a copy of IBM ViaVoice Executive to > > set up my TP600 for voice dictation. > > > > Everything works, but I'm having problems with > > the jack. I plug blue TP adapter plug into the > > "mic in" on the side of the TP, then plug the > > jack into the blue adapter. No signal > > Push it in all the way. > > > Under Devices, Every Crystal PnP Audio driver > > is loaded correctly under Sound, video & Game > > Controllers. No conflicts in Win98, etc. The > > microphone works properly on another PC. > > > > Something's obviously wrong - any ideas? > > In device mgr find something mentioning 401 and inactivate it. > > Keep in touch. > > Birger > > From cph Mon Apr 10 18:33:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA23135 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:33:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25912; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:32:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25810; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.crcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25797; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.crcn.net (206.12.129.3 -> access.crcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:32:06 -0400 X-ROUTED: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:30:42 -0800 Received: from [206.12.131.109] by mail.crcn.net with smtp id 0e2e1ed0 ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:30:30 -0800 From: "Pat Presidente" To: , "'Birger Petterson'" , "'TP List'" Subject: RE: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 15:33:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <000001bfa341$52031a40$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> List-Unsubscribe: I'm surprised someone else hasn't responded yet - they are likely still looking for the reference doc on the IBM site that talks about this, as I was and still haven't put up with it. At any rate, I have used TP's for some time now, 755, 380, and now a 570. Without an adapter in each of those systems a regular microphone will not work. I ordered the 3rd party component for it. I have no idea why they don't use a standard input. Incidentally, when you pull the mic jack out half way, you may think it is working but it is merely picking up the onboard mic. I'll post the reference if and when I locate it. Pat ========================================================================= Pat Presidente School District 72 (Campbell River) District Technology Resource Teacher 425 Pinecrest Road Email: pat.presidente@sd72.bc.ca Campbell River, BC V9W 3P2 Ph.(250) 830-2353 Fx.(250) 830-2329 Your door to the future ========================================================================= A bowl of oatmeal tried to stare me down - and won It was 12 o'clock before I realized I was havin' no fun -John Prine ========================================================================= -----Original Message----- From: Mark Lemon [mailto:mlemon@hickseq.com] Sent: April 10, 2000 4:06 PM To: 'Birger Petterson'; 'TP List' Subject: RE: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice Birger, 2 good ideas, but neither worked! I remember clicking the box to enable "401" months ago, but it never changed anything. Disabling it again doesn't seemed to have helped either. Also, no signal in into MS Sound Recorder application unless I put the plug partially out as described below. Any other ideas? Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Birger Petterson [mailto:BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 2:49 PM > To: mlemon@hickseq.com; 'TP List' > Subject: Re: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice > > > Folks, > > > > I popped for an Andrea ANC-600 Microphone and > > picked up a copy of IBM ViaVoice Executive to > > set up my TP600 for voice dictation. > > > > Everything works, but I'm having problems with > > the jack. I plug blue TP adapter plug into the > > "mic in" on the side of the TP, then plug the > > jack into the blue adapter. No signal > > Push it in all the way. > > > Under Devices, Every Crystal PnP Audio driver > > is loaded correctly under Sound, video & Game > > Controllers. No conflicts in Win98, etc. The > > microphone works properly on another PC. > > > > Something's obviously wrong - any ideas? > > In device mgr find something mentioning 401 and inactivate it. > > Keep in touch. > > Birger > > From cph Mon Apr 10 18:39:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA23191 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:39:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26586; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:38:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26506; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26492; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:38:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (207.115.153.22 -> smtppop3.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:38:24 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop3.gte.net with SMTP for ; id RAA13220932 Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:38:09 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004102238.RAA13220932@smtppop3.gte.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 17:38:18 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: Help - 755CE hibernation file List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "Julian Thomas" Mon, 10 Apr 2000 12:19:22 -0400 > What do I do > about a hibernation file in this setup - I have 40 meg of ram? I have a Rexx CMD file that creates a hibernation file on an HPFS drive on TP 701s. Looking at it, it's possible you could modify it to create one for your model if you know what the name of the hibernation file is supposed to be. Let me know if you want it and I'll send it to you. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/10/00, 17:38:15 From cph Mon Apr 10 19:03:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA23344 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:03:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28307; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:02:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28164; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28151; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:02:01 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.16.24]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000410230159.CSKS14374.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@compaq> for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 23:01:59 +0000 Message-ID: <38F25D6B.4D82@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:02:03 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Need 755CD keyboard References: <200004102238.RAA13220932@smtppop3.gte.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone got a good, tested keyboard available forsale? From cph Mon Apr 10 19:25:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA23459 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:25:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29640; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:24:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29530; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29517; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:24:49 -0400 Received: from Hades ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA28948 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: "'TP List'" Subject: RE: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:25:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000201bfa34c$74f330c0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Pat, That's the problem - I'm using the TP adapter that came with the Andrea mic like I read in the TP site. Next step per AC brown is to dump the adapter, drop 2 AAA's in the little box that came with the mic, plug it in, and see what happens. 3v shouldn't fry too much of the motherboard ;-) Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Pat Presidente [mailto:pat.presidente@sd72.bc.ca] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 4:34 PM > To: mlemon@hickseq.com; 'Birger Petterson'; 'TP List' > Subject: RE: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice > > > I'm surprised someone else hasn't responded yet - they are > likely still > looking for the reference doc on the IBM site that talks > about this, as I > was and still haven't put up with it. <> From cph Mon Apr 10 19:35:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA23510 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:35:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00499; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:34:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00350; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orwell.dns-host.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00328; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orwell.dns-host.com (209.235.102.25) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:34:19 -0400 Received: from sod2038 ([137.53.68.115]) by orwell.dns-host.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA10723; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003e01bfa345$5d1e4900$73443589@ohsu.edu> Reply-To: "AC Brown" From: "AC Brown" To: "thinkpad" , Subject: Re: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:34:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Date: 2000 Apr 10 To: thinkpad@cs,utk.edu, mlemon@hickseq.com From: AC Brown Subj: Re: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice Mark, Perhaps I didn't make my suggestion clear. You do need an adapter but not the "Thinkpad Adapter" from Andrea, which only works with the older Thinkpads with the metal shell on the microphone jack. You need the Soundblaster adapter, which in my case, came free with the ANC-600 and was labeled "Converter Plug". AC Brown From cph Mon Apr 10 21:10:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA24088 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:10:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06875; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:09:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06631; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1.tm.net.my (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06613; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop1.tm.net.my (202.188.95.1 -> pop.tm.net.my) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 21:09:20 -0400 Received: from tp390.tm.net.my ([202.188.89.99]) by pop1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <20000411010916.YYJ10711@tp390.tm.net.my> for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:09:16 +0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000410161148.00b094c8@pop.tm.net.my> X-Sender: khokk@pop.tm.net.my (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 16:19:01 +0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Kho Kwang Khoon Subject: TP390 - battery gauge Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I have installed W2K on my TP390 and it is working very well except for the battery gauge. When charging it will increase to 97% and stay at that value no matter how long I leave it connected to the AC supply. Is this normal? Will appreciate any info. Thanks. Kho From cph Mon Apr 10 22:48:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA24618 for ; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:48:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13661; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:46:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13457; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13443; Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:46:38 -0400 Received: from ibm ([12.77.216.144]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000411024635.CTCI15559.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@ibm>; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 02:46:35 +0000 Message-ID: <002101bfa360$0bec0bb0$90d84d0c@ibm> From: "Birger Petterson" To: , "'TP List'" References: <000001bfa341$52031a40$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> Subject: Re: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:45:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > > 2 good ideas, but neither worked! I remember > clicking the box to enable "401" months ago, > but it never changed anything. Disabling it > again doesn't seemed to have helped either. > > Also, no signal in into MS Sound Recorder > application unless I put the plug partially out > as described below. Well I guess for the last resort you should use a battery bias box. I think Andrea APS-100. Vist; http://www.speechcontrol.com Birger From cph Tue Apr 11 01:01:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA25208 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:01:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19354; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:00:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19216; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19202; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 00:59:58 -0400 Received: from oscar ([32.102.121.10]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <20000411045956239026580fe>; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:59:56 +0000 Message-ID: <00c301bfa372$690e3040$0a796620@oscar> Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: <200004102238.RAA13220932@smtppop3.gte.net> <38F25D6B.4D82@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Need 755CD keyboard Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 22:57:15 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I bought one direct from IBM a while back for $50. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Markowitz To: Cc: Thinkpad List Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 5:02 PM Subject: Need 755CD keyboard > Anyone got a good, tested keyboard available forsale? > From cph Tue Apr 11 01:30:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA25328 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:30:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21284; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:29:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21164; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21147; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:29:53 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-364.gate.net [199.227.131.173]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA167192; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:28:29 -0400 Message-ID: <38F2B7FF.4EB762BA@gate.net> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:28:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Patrick A. Forte" CC: Slip , Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Power bricks for 760ED References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E70F6C14B626761D6FB87A9C" List-Unsubscribe: --------------E70F6C14B626761D6FB87A9C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit check the small contacts just inside the rubber plug body.. heat can weaken the tension and with a poor contact, you get more heat, thus a viscous cycle starts.. see if you can squeeze them a bit, if they appear blackened.. otherwise the only solution is a new AC adapter.. "Patrick A. Forte" wrote: > My 760ED brick does the exact same thing. Is there any cure other > than replace?Patrick > > -----Original Message----- > From: Slip [mailto:slipnfall@planetcable.net] > Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 8:14 AM > To: Thinkpad List > Subject: Power bricks for 760ED > > Hi there, I'm wondering if anyone knows of a location > that I can purchass a power brick for my 760ED. The cable > has problems righ at the connetor-if you wiggle it while the > system is on, it will toggle between charging or > discharging. Thanks!-JamieRecieve a free DVD player with 15 > referalls-100 times better than that alladvantage crap! > http://www.ikena.com/contest/referral.cfm?refCID=slipnfall > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net --------------E70F6C14B626761D6FB87A9C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit check the small contacts just inside the rubber plug body..
heat can weaken the tension and with a poor contact, you get more heat, thus a viscous cycle starts..
see if you can squeeze them a bit, if they appear blackened..
otherwise the only solution is a new AC adapter..

"Patrick A. Forte" wrote:

My 760ED brick does the exact same thing.  Is there any cure other than replace?Patrick
-----Original Message-----
From: Slip [mailto:slipnfall@planetcable.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 8:14 AM
To: Thinkpad List
Subject: Power bricks for 760ED
 
Hi there,    I'm wondering if anyone knows of a location that I can purchass a power brick for my 760ED. The cable has problems righ at the connetor-if you wiggle it while the system is on, it will toggle between charging or discharging. Thanks!-JamieRecieve a free DVD player with 15 referalls-100 times better than that alladvantage crap!
http://www.ikena.com/contest/referral.cfm?refCID=slipnfall

--
Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net
  --------------E70F6C14B626761D6FB87A9C-- From cph Tue Apr 11 01:45:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA25396 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:45:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22076; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:45:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21908; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21878; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:45:00 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-364.gate.net [199.227.131.173]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA114742; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:44:30 -0400 Message-ID: <38F2BBDA.2012A42D@gate.net> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:44:59 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Garrett Kaste CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Power bricks for 760ED References: <20000410014427.15073.qmail@web3805.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the cords are (with IBM's older ac adapters anyway) co-ax.. Garrett Kaste wrote: > I have this same problem with both my IBM power supply > for my 760XD and a year old Battery Tech power supply. > The problem I belive is these are designed with > really cheap cords, and then they really rack you for > it. > > Garrett Kaste. > > --- "Patrick A. Forte" wrote: > > My 760ED brick does the exact same thing. Is there > > any cure other than > > replace? > > > > Patrick > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Slip [mailto:slipnfall@planetcable.net] > > Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 8:14 AM > > To: Thinkpad List > > Subject: Power bricks for 760ED > > > > > > Hi there, > > I'm wondering if anyone knows of a location > > that I can purchass a > > power brick for my 760ED. The cable has problems > > righ at the connetor-if you > > wiggle it while the system is on, it will toggle > > between charging or > > discharging. > > > > Thanks! > > -Jamie > > Recieve a free DVD player with 15 referalls-100 > > times better than that > > alladvantage crap! > > > > > http://www.ikena.com/contest/referral.cfm?refCID=slipnfall > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Apr 11 01:49:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA25411 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:49:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22381; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:48:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22266; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22253; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:48:22 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-364.gate.net [199.227.131.173]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA162112; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:47:54 -0400 Message-ID: <38F2BCA6.7B7CC473@gate.net> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:48:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Berry CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701 keyboard replacement References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: about 4000 (if my memory is correct) were put up for bid about 2 months ago.. i don't know who got them.. so i would not be surprised.. in fact, i have been wondering when they would show up.. Jonathan Berry wrote: > Supposedly the market will be flooded with these Real Soon Now. > Anybody know when? I need two. > > -- > cheers > Jonathan > http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/hecate.htm Roads vs Rocks & Neighbourhoods -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Apr 11 01:51:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA25420 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:51:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22754; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:51:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22659; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22646; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:51:00 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-364.gate.net [199.227.131.173]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA162320; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:50:25 -0400 Message-ID: <38F2BD3D.310C0173@gate.net> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:50:53 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sylvestre Meininger CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Li-ion batteries References: <008201bfa2cf$306ad160$0d0510ac@tp-770> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------67BD00E61A2C92A86A582D14" List-Unsubscribe: --------------67BD00E61A2C92A86A582D14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I leave my betteries in all the time.. (i'm not saying this is right, its just what I do.. the charge stops when its fully charged, and on most thinkpads, won't start recharging until the charge level falls below 95%.. :-) Sylvestre Meininger wrote: > Hi there. I know there's been some extensive discussion around > batteries recently, but I don't think this question has been answered. > Sorry if it has :) - 770ed & 560z - From what I've read here > and on IBM's web site, batteries should be removed when the machine is > connected to AC power. Right ? - BUT, should the battery be fully > discharged before being removed for an extended period of time ? - > OR, should it be fully charged and then let to slowly discharge > outside the TP (both 770's and 560's batteries do that) ? Thanks for > any help on the > subject. > sylvestre meininger -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net --------------67BD00E61A2C92A86A582D14 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I leave my betteries in all the time.. (i'm not saying this is right, its just what  I  do..
the charge stops when its fully charged, and on most thinkpads, won't start recharging until the charge level falls below 95%..  :-)

Sylvestre Meininger wrote:

 Hi there. I know there's been some extensive discussion around batteries recently, but I don't think this question has been answered. Sorry if it has :)     - 770ed & 560z    - From what I've read here and on IBM's web site, batteries should be removed when the machine is connected to AC power. Right ?    - BUT, should the battery be fully discharged before being removed for an extended period of time ?    - OR, should it be fully charged and then let to slowly discharge outside the TP (both 770's and 560's batteries do that) ? Thanks for any help on the subject.                                                        sylvestre meininger

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  --------------67BD00E61A2C92A86A582D14-- From cph Tue Apr 11 01:54:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA25424 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:53:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23076; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:53:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:53:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22996; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22982; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:53:31 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-364.gate.net [199.227.131.173]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA79464; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:52:56 -0400 Message-ID: <38F2BDD4.986701AC@gate.net> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:53:24 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: TP600X 2nd IDE Problem References: <200004100655.CAA10508@cs.utk.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id BAA23076 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id BAA25425 rather than remove batteries, try the reset button in a hole on the beveled surface, below the on/off switch.. "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." wrote: > On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 21:34:26 +0000, isaac.graham@att.net wrote: > > >out) I removed the 2nd standard Bus Mastering IDE Hard > >Drive Controller just to see if this would force the > >camera memory card to be recognized. It worked but of > >course now my CD-ROM drive was now gone. I then, after > >removing the camera memory card rebooted expecting Win98 > >to "find" the second IDE interface of the TP600X. Much > >to my chagrine it did not!!! I've tried everthing to > >bring it back but with no luck! Can someone help me :-(? > >Thanks. > > I once accidently disabled my main IDE controller on my 600E > which basicaly disabled my harddrive and cdrom. In the end i had > to remove the main battery, which fixed the problem. > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Apr 11 01:56:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA25429 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:56:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23458; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:55:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23331; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23301; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:55:29 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-364.gate.net [199.227.131.173]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA162168; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:55:00 -0400 Message-ID: <38F2BE50.6C6F5470@gate.net> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:55:28 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Need 755CD keyboard References: <200004102238.RAA13220932@smtppop3.gte.net> <38F25D6B.4D82@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bruce.. 360/750/755 are all the same except for cosmetic differences.. the 755CE/CD had nicer mouse buttons.. Bruce Markowitz wrote: > Anyone got a good, tested keyboard available forsale? -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Apr 11 01:58:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA25433 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:58:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23810; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:57:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23696; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:57:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23682; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:57:32 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-364.gate.net [199.227.131.173]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA162352; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:56:59 -0400 Message-ID: <38F2BEC7.6B3C1332@gate.net> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:57:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: cblaisd@tdl.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Removing win95 options cab after upgrade References: <38F1C457.28999.91570@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: it WILL look in c:/win98 for its stuff, but you can redirect this either in the registry or when it looks and can't find.. but i personally leave them there.. its handy to never need to go looking for that $%^*&$ CD.. :-) Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > I've upgraded my ThinkPad 600E to Win98SE. I copied all the cabs off > of the Win98SE CD onto a "win98" directory on my c drive and then > installed from the drive, rather than the CD. > > So my question is: Can I delete the the ORIGINAL directory of > c:\windows\options\cabs from the hard drive (since I assume anytime that > the Windows now needs a file for driver installation, etc,) it will look in > c:\win98?? > > Thanks -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Apr 11 01:58:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA25437 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:58:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24099; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:58:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23942; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23929; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:58:17 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-364.gate.net [199.227.131.173]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA71078; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:57:46 -0400 Message-ID: <38F2BEF7.1ABBD907@gate.net> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 01:58:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: cblaisd@tdl.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Removing win95 options cab after upgrade References: <4.3.1.0.20000410153431.00d00a40@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: oops.. i see i read the original question too fast.. STeve Andre' wrote: > Yes, you can delete the original cabs, as long as you're sure that you have > upgraded to SE. I'd blast the originals, and then move the SE cabs to > windows\options\cabs just like before. > > STeve Andre' > > At 12:08 PM 4/10/00 -0700, Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > >I've upgraded my ThinkPad 600E to Win98SE. I copied all the cabs off > >of the Win98SE CD onto a "win98" directory on my c drive and then > >installed from the drive, rather than the CD. > > > >So my question is: Can I delete the the ORIGINAL directory of > >c:\windows\options\cabs from the hard drive (since I assume anytime that > >the Windows now needs a file for driver installation, etc,) it will look in > >c:\win98?? > > > >Thanks -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Apr 11 03:47:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA25657 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:47:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28615; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:38:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28407; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28393; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:38:31 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-25.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.25]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA14017 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000411033814.00835510@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:38:14 -0700 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Various good deals on Thinkpad batteries In-Reply-To: <008d01bfa23d$8a909860$61b433cf@denhall> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I saw this on ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=303790269 Current bidding is @ 2.00 for this item. I know list members were extolling the value of their 730T's, so you might want to take a look. Bidding closes in 12hrs, and it has no bids yet ($2.00) and no reserve. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=305374816 IBM Thinkpad 770 series LiOn original batteries from IBM, sealed. They have 20 of 'em @ 69.00/ea, and there are no bids. Auction ends Wednesday. (If people want to stock up/get a 770 battery cheap!). Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Apr 11 03:58:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA25673 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:58:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29762; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:50:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29462; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29447; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004110750.DAA29447@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 03:50:34 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-d081.otenet.gr [212.205.239.81]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2TTBMKH6; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 02:50:11 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:24:04 -0500 (GMT) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: cpu upgrade List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id DAA29762 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA25674 A followup to our discussion about upgrading the cpu... i was browsing IBM's site for any technical information about my TP and came up with a page for IBM technitians on how to upgrade and serive a ThinkPad. The following page is for the 600 series: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/LWIK-3TLHFF.html It has some pretty nice pictures on how to remove the cpu, with detailed instructions how to do it. Plus other documents like to how remove the LCD, or upgrade any other part of the TP. Plus some problem determination tricks to see if there is a hardware problem or how to pinpoint the problem. It also has a complete list of error codes and what to do in each case. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Tue Apr 11 04:32:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA25755 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:32:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02371; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:30:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02212; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02179; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:29:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (193.52.64.50 -> uhbhic.uhb.fr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 04:29:29 -0400 Received: from tp-560 (cb1341-rec.rec.uhb.fr [172.16.5.11]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.3) with SMTP id KAA20307 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:29:13 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <38F2E2FA.C97@uhb.fr> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:31:54 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thanks ! (was : Li-Ion batteries) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thank you everyone for your replies. I apologize for the silly HTML format. It won't happen again. From cph Tue Apr 11 06:55:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA26285 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:55:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12874; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:54:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12675; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12662; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:54:22 -0400 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.30) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 11 Apr 2000 06:51:13 -0400 Message-ID: <000901bfa3a4$58c91380$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: , "Garrett Kaste" Cc: "Thinkpad List" References: <20000410014427.15073.qmail@web3805.mail.yahoo.com> <38F2BBDA.2012A42D@gate.net> Subject: Re: Power bricks for 760ED: web page on repairing them? Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:54:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I havn't had a chance to pop mine open just yet, but I'm off this evening and will let you guys know how it goes. Maybe even put up a page with some pix, etc on how to repair them. Any interest in this from the mailing list? Just bought a digi-cam that I'v been itching to use. :-) -Jamie From cph Tue Apr 11 07:00:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA26296 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:00:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13244; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:00:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13164; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13151; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:00:11 -0400 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.30) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 11 Apr 2000 06:57:03 -0400 Message-ID: <002001bfa3a5$299f4ba0$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: , "Patrick A. Forte" Cc: "Thinkpad List" References: <38F2B7FF.4EB762BA@gate.net> Subject: Re: Power bricks for 760ED Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:00:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: >check the small contacts just inside the rubber plug body.. >heat can weaken the tension and with a poor contact, you get more heat, thus a viscous cycle starts.. >see if you can squeeze them a bit, if they appear blackened.. >otherwise the only solution is a new AC adapter.. Are you talking about the rubber plug which is connected to the thinkpad? The 760 brick is some-what unique in that it does not have a strain relief on the brick itself. If it's in the connector itself, then I'm kinda screwed because it appears to be one solid mold.(no creases or places I can 'crack' it....) Thanks! -Jamie From cph Tue Apr 11 07:09:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA26309 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:09:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13980; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:08:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13815; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13801; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004111108.HAA13801@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 07:08:47 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-r041.otenet.gr [212.205.255.41]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2TTBMKJA; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 06:08:24 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:08:44 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004110024.UAA28182@bean.epix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600e traps, was AMR? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id HAA13980 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id HAA26310 On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:23:23 -0400, Julian Thomas wrote: >Arrrggghhh! I just installed warp4 and am in the process of usng Warpup >to install FP12. This is on thinkpad 755ce. What should I back out and >how? i dont know really, i've disabled suspend on my 600E for now, i'm using both WSeB and warp4+fp13. fp13 works perfectly here. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Tue Apr 11 09:31:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA26750 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:31:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25061; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:29:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24797; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:29:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24783; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:28:56 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax36.vramp.net [198.138.8.99]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA05377; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:28:11 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , Subject: RE: Need 755CD keyboard Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 09:32:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <38F25D6B.4D82@worldnet.att.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hello Bruce, They're available from IBM, Part Number 84G6495, but they're $91.75! Let me know if you find a source for one relatively cheap, I'd love to get this one wounded Pent75 755CD I have back on the road. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Markowitz [mailto:scosgt@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 6:02 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Cc: Thinkpad List > Subject: Need 755CD keyboard > > > Anyone got a good, tested keyboard available forsale? > From cph Tue Apr 11 10:38:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA27180 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:38:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01621; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:37:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01441; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01392; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (194.164.19.39 -> bradnet.legend.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:37:40 -0400 Received: by bradnet.legend.co.uk (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id PAA041.78; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:37:38 +0100 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:37:37 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600e traps, was AMR? Message-ID: <20000411153737.K3196@bradnet.legend.co.uk> References: <200004110024.UAA28182@bean.epix.net> <200004111108.HAA13801@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: <200004111108.HAA13801@cs.utk.edu>; from sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. on Tue, Apr 11, 2000 at 02:08:44PM +0100 X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id KAA01621 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA27181 On Tue, Apr 11, 2000 at 02:08:44PM +0100, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 20:23:23 -0400, Julian Thomas wrote: > > >Arrrggghhh! I just installed warp4 and am in the process of usng Warpup > >to install FP12. This is on thinkpad 755ce. What should I back out and > >how? > > i dont know really, i've disabled suspend on my 600E for now, i'm using > both WSeB and warp4+fp13. fp13 works perfectly here. I take it you've resolved the install problem with Warp 4... I've had similar problems before and never got to the bottom of them, they just disappeared somehow. > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > -- John From cph Tue Apr 11 11:37:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA27693 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:37:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06776; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:36:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06576; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06561; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:36:22 -0400 Received: from Hades ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA15506 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: "'TP List'" Subject: RE: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 11:37:03 -0500 Message-ID: <001001bfa3d4$2b7d7620$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <003e01bfa345$5d1e4900$73443589@ohsu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: AC, I seem to remember a "converter plug", but couldn't find it. However the breakout box with 2 AAA batteries worked. FWIW, Now I can talk to my TP600 and have it type. Cool. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: AC Brown [mailto:acb@acbrown.com] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 5:35 PM > To: thinkpad; mlemon@hickseq.com > Subject: Re: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice > > Date: 2000 Apr 10 > To: thinkpad@cs,utk.edu, mlemon@hickseq.com > From: AC Brown > Subj: Re: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice > > Mark, > > Perhaps I didn't make my suggestion clear. You do need an adapter but > not the "Thinkpad Adapter" from Andrea, which only works with > the older > Thinkpads with the metal shell on the microphone jack. You need the > Soundblaster adapter, which in my case, came free with the ANC-600 > and was labeled "Converter Plug". > > AC Brown > From cph Tue Apr 11 13:17:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA28433 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:17:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15925; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:15:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15742; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15727; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:15:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:15:42 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.246] (helo=139-142-112-246.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 12f4GD-0005wc-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:15:34 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad 720's -- $30/ea in qty. 3 or more... Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 10:08:09 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <008d01bfa23d$8a909860$61b433cf@denhall> In-Reply-To: <008d01bfa23d$8a909860$61b433cf@denhall> Lines: 35 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I thought this was going to be a real cool deal to set up and give away as presents to computer newbies. You know, people like aunts and uncles, kids in the neighbourhood. Unfortunately, the units are missing the AC adaptors, so figure on doubling the price. There's also some question about how big a hard drive (160 MB ?) the units can accept and their availability. TANSTAAFL. Also, HTML should be turned off. >I have a friend needing to move some ThinkPad 720's from his = >inventory--FAST. >these were part of a larger purchase...and I thought there might be some = >interest among the group for a cheap purchase... > >Units are Mono display, 25 and 50mhz mix... and are missing HD's. = >Otherwise OK. >$30/ea. in qty 3 or more. Let me know quickly if you'd like any. = >Immediately available for shipment. > >Have a Great Day, >Denis Hall, Michigan >denhall@ismi.net > > -- cheers Jonathan http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/hecate.htm Roads vs Rocks & Neighbourhoods From cph Tue Apr 11 14:29:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA28791 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:29:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22293; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:26:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21950; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21937; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:26:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.5 -> imo15.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:26:43 -0400 Received: from Bmwm61@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id o.a8.393f826 (4002) for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 14:26:37 EDT Subject: Games To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 101 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone have a source for PC games on floppies for WIn3.1? I would like to load some games on my 730T and CD's are out of the question. I'm looking for card (eg. bridge) and board games not action stuff. Jim From cph Tue Apr 11 16:04:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA29650 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:04:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00785; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:02:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00446; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00383; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 16:02:27 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id NAA19328 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:00:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000411125932.04b4bb50@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 13:00:31 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Games In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:26 AM 4/11/2000 , you wrote: >Does anyone have a source for PC games on floppies for WIn3.1? I would like >to load some games on my 730T and CD's are out of the question. I'm looking >for card (eg. bridge) and board games not action stuff. >Jim www.winfiles.com is usually a good source for downloading of Windows software. They usually have versions for Windows 3.x, 9x and NT. -- David Goldman From cph Tue Apr 11 18:06:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA30624 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:06:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11741; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:04:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11393; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11364; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004112203.SAA11364@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:03:53 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-d200.otenet.gr [212.205.239.200]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2TTBMK4Q; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:03:26 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:03:50 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000411153737.K3196@bradnet.legend.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600e traps, was AMR? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id SAA11741 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA30625 On Tue, 11 Apr 2000 15:37:37 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >I take it you've resolved the install problem with Warp 4... >I've had similar problems before and never got to the bottom of them, >they just disappeared somehow. oh yes i did resolve them, did lots of debugging and came up that warp4 wasnt looking for the correct drive letter, the problem was that WSeB (from a different partition) was assigning warp4 the W: drive letter and when warp4 was booting it messed up. After i changed WSeB to see my warp4 partition as D: (as its the original phisical location) it worked fine. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Tue Apr 11 18:37:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA30776 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:37:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13735; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:35:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13542; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13529; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:35:41 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jaxtnt1-197.fdn.com [216.199.4.211]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA06806 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38F3D1F7.2F83@southeast.net> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:31:35 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Alias and Fraud *Please Read* Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: About a month ago, I ordered an ac adapter for my Thinkpad 755 laptop from Glenn Tranter. When I emailed him to inquire as to the expected shipment, he denied ever having received my money, and refused to ship the adapter as agreed. My letter in which I sent the money had a valid return address, but it has not been returned to me. Followup emails to him have not resolved the dispute, and I am now out of my money as well as the ac adapter. In my personal opinion, I would suggest that you not have any transactions with this man, Glenn Tranter. Please disregard any acts of retaliation on his part, against me. That will be taken care of outside of this list if it happens to become a problem. Thank you, Jimmy Nipper -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Tue Apr 11 18:51:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA30955 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:50:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15164; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:49:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14937; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14921; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:49:13 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax14.vramp.net [198.138.8.77]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA39381; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 17:48:44 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , Subject: RE: Alias and Fraud *Please Read* Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 18:52:59 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <38F3D1F7.2F83@southeast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Computer-Guru [mailto:pctech@southeast.net] wrote: > About a month ago, I ordered an ac adapter for my Thinkpad 755 laptop > from > Glenn Tranter. When I emailed him to inquire as to the expected > shipment, he denied ever having received my money, and refused to ship > the adapter as agreed. My letter in which I sent the money had a valid > return address, but it has not been returned to me. Followup emails to > him have not resolved the dispute, and I am now out of my money as well > as the ac adapter. Did you send cash rather than a check or money order? Perhaps he _really_ didn't receive the letter. > In my personal opinion, I would suggest that you not have any > transactions with this man, Glenn Tranter. Thanks for the heads-up Jimmy, but where does the "Alias" referred to in your subject line enter the picture? Regards, James From cph Tue Apr 11 21:32:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA31595 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:32:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25744; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:30:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25461; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25448; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:30:46 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-107.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.107]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA29790; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000411213034.012eda40@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:30:34 -0700 To: pctech@southeast.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Alias and Fraud *Please Read* In-Reply-To: <38F3D1F7.2F83@southeast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:31 PM 04/11/2000 -0700, Computer-Guru wrote: >About a month ago, I ordered an ac adapter for my Thinkpad 755 laptop >from >Glenn Tranter. When I emailed him to inquire as to the expected >shipment, he denied ever having received my money, and refused to ship >the adapter as agreed. My letter in which I sent the money had a valid >return address, but it has not been returned to me. Followup emails to >him have not resolved the dispute, and I am now out of my money as well >as the ac adapter. > >In my personal opinion, I would suggest that you not have any >transactions with this man, Glenn Tranter. > >Please disregard any acts of retaliation on his part, against me. That >will be taken care of outside of this list if it happens to become a >problem. > >Thank you, >Jimmy Nipper How did you pay? What method did you use to send it? If you sent cash without a certified method, then there really is NO way to prove he is lying. If you sent a MO or check, you can trace it. Hopefully, you sent the funds via a certified source. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Apr 11 21:52:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA31660 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:52:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27490; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:50:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27176; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27163; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:50:13 -0400 Received: from laptop ([32.100.143.12]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000041201501023902lmmnbe>; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 01:50:10 +0000 Message-ID: <007e01bfa421$a081cb40$f4586520@laptop> Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Nameplates Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:51:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: IBM used to send you a nameplate for your machine when you register. Are they still doing this? I know my TP600 has an indentation on the bottom shaped to fit this nameplate. I would like to get a few these to give as gifts for a couple friends with Thinkpads and remember they also gave you a card for ordering more nameplates for a fee. Does anyone have a copy of this card they can send me? From cph Tue Apr 11 22:48:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA31933 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:48:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01083; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:46:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00482; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00468; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (216.100.248.113 -> adsl-216-100-248-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:46:06 -0400 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp4.cinnamon.com [192.0.2.132]) by cinnamon.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id TAA00465 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38F3E31F.9AEE7653@ricochet.net> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:44:48 -0700 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Alias and Fraud *Please Read* References: <3.0.6.32.20000411213034.012eda40@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Aaaaaand, if you used the US Mail in the transaction, it's Mail Fraud. Mark Bell wrote: > At 06:31 PM 04/11/2000 -0700, Computer-Guru wrote: > >About a month ago, I ordered an ac adapter for my Thinkpad 755 laptop > >from > >Glenn Tranter. When I emailed him to inquire as to the expected > >shipment, he denied ever having received my money, and refused to ship > >the adapter as agreed. My letter in which I sent the money had a valid > >return address, but it has not been returned to me. Followup emails to > >him have not resolved the dispute, and I am now out of my money as well > >as the ac adapter. > > > >In my personal opinion, I would suggest that you not have any > >transactions with this man, Glenn Tranter. > > > >Please disregard any acts of retaliation on his part, against me. That > >will be taken care of outside of this list if it happens to become a > >problem. > > > >Thank you, > >Jimmy Nipper > > How did you pay? What method did you use to send it? If you sent > cash without a certified method, then there really is NO way to > prove he is lying. > > If you sent a MO or check, you can trace it. Hopefully, you sent > the funds via a certified source. > > Mark > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Apr 11 22:48:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA31937 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:48:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01080; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:46:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00536; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00522; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:46:24 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id TAA24807 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:45:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000411194245.04a15ef0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:45:32 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Nameplates In-Reply-To: <007e01bfa421$a081cb40$f4586520@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:51 PM 4/11/2000 , you wrote: >IBM used to send you a nameplate for your machine when you register. Are >they still doing this? > >I know my TP600 has an indentation on the bottom shaped to fit this >nameplate. > >I would like to get a few these to give as gifts for a couple friends with >Thinkpads and remember they also gave you a card for ordering more >nameplates for a fee. Does anyone have a copy of this card they can send >me? Don't hold your breath. My TP380Z (purchased new 11/98) came with a card to be returned to IBM to receive the engraved nameplate. I sent it in within days of the purchase and after 17 months, I'm still waiting for mine to arrive. You are more likely to get an engraved nameplate by going to your local mall and purchasing one from the local engraver/jeweler. -- David Goldman From cph Tue Apr 11 22:51:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA31955 for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:51:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01586; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:49:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01167; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.ne.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01154; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.ne.home.com (24.2.4.66 -> ha1.rdc1.ne.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Apr 2000 22:48:57 -0400 Received: from home.com ([24.2.240.166]) by mail.rdc1.ne.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000412024856.PUJO2555.mail.rdc1.ne.home.com@home.com> for ; Tue, 11 Apr 2000 19:48:56 -0700 Message-ID: <38F3E3BA.7F80E998@home.com> Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2000 21:47:22 -0500 From: Jim Schneider X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Nameplates References: <007e01bfa421$a081cb40$f4586520@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I know I have never received the one for my 770E, it has been almost 2 years since I sent in or registered online. Tom Franklin wrote: > IBM used to send you a nameplate for your machine when you register. Are > they still doing this? > > I know my TP600 has an indentation on the bottom shaped to fit this > nameplate. > > I would like to get a few these to give as gifts for a couple friends with > Thinkpads and remember they also gave you a card for ordering more > nameplates for a fee. Does anyone have a copy of this card they can send > me? From cph Wed Apr 12 11:31:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA02883 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:31:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16636; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:27:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16324; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16310; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (199.224.64.56 -> lima.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:27:41 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp17.epix.net [199.224.125.17]) by lima.epix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/1999100101/PL) with SMTP id LAA29051 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004121527.LAA29051@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:24:55 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Need recco - which model? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.1 c10 List-Unsubscribe: I am still running my Tpad 755CE which, as I stated earlier, is venerable but serviceable. My brother has asked me for a recco - and I'd like input on 390 vs. I series. The budget is around $1500. What's good about the 390 is the internal modem (even if it is a winmodem :-( - he will be running W98 so that's not an issue. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org WarpTech 2000: May 26-28 in Phoenix - plan NOW to attend! www.warptech.org -- -- A computer with COBOL and FORTRAN is like a piece of chocolate cake with ketchup and mustard. From cph Wed Apr 12 11:35:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA02937 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:35:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17229; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:35:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17139; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17093; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (208.139.144.3 -> mail.advi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:34:49 -0400 Received: from ecamin (s13354082.advi.net [208.133.54.82]) by mail.advi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA12125; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002001bfa494$32428ac0$523685d0@ecamin> From: "Edwin A Camin" To: "Andrew Scott Beals" , References: <3.0.6.32.20000411213034.012eda40@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <38F3E31F.9AEE7653@ricochet.net> Subject: Re: Alias and Fraud *Please Read* Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:30:41 -0400 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: And if you used USPS it could be lying on the floor behind the automated cancel machine. I heard they pick them off the floor about once a month and remail them. It happened to me once and cost me a big interest on a visa payment. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Scott Beals To: Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 10:44 PM Subject: Re: Alias and Fraud *Please Read* > Aaaaaand, if you used the US Mail in the transaction, it's Mail Fraud. > > Mark Bell wrote: > > > At 06:31 PM 04/11/2000 -0700, Computer-Guru wrote: > > >About a month ago, I ordered an ac adapter for my Thinkpad 755 laptop > > >from > > >Glenn Tranter. When I emailed him to inquire as to the expected > > >shipment, he denied ever having received my money, and refused to ship > > >the adapter as agreed. My letter in which I sent the money had a valid > > >return address, but it has not been returned to me. Followup emails to > > >him have not resolved the dispute, and I am now out of my money as well > > >as the ac adapter. > > > > > >In my personal opinion, I would suggest that you not have any > > >transactions with this man, Glenn Tranter. > > > > > >Please disregard any acts of retaliation on his part, against me. That > > >will be taken care of outside of this list if it happens to become a > > >problem. > > > > > >Thank you, > > >Jimmy Nipper > > > > How did you pay? What method did you use to send it? If you sent > > cash without a certified method, then there really is NO way to > > prove he is lying. > > > > If you sent a MO or check, you can trace it. Hopefully, you sent > > the funds via a certified source. > > > > Mark > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > > Network and System consultation and installation > > -------------------------------------------------- > From cph Wed Apr 12 11:39:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA02971 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:39:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17799; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:38:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17639; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17621; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:38:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (208.139.144.3 -> mail.advi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:38:42 -0400 Received: from ecamin (s13354082.advi.net [208.133.54.82]) by mail.advi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA12896; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002101bfa495$1a80e340$523685d0@ecamin> From: "Edwin A Camin" To: "Jim Schneider" Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: <007e01bfa421$a081cb40$f4586520@laptop> <38F3E3BA.7F80E998@home.com> Subject: Re: Nameplates Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 11:38:06 -0400 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: It's been almost 2 years since I sent mine in on my TP600. I also spent almost a year and many phone calls to get my win98 upgrade of which I was told many times by many IBM that I was eligible. Every time I called I was referred to a different 800 #. I finally got an employee, who lied, and she said I wasn't authorized. I finally gave up. If I was paid for my time, I could have purchased it from MS and have enough left to buy Office. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Schneider Cc: ThinkPad List Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 10:47 PM Subject: Re: Nameplates > > I know I have never received the one for my 770E, it has been almost 2 years > since I sent in or registered online. > > Tom Franklin wrote: > > > IBM used to send you a nameplate for your machine when you register. Are > > they still doing this? > > > > I know my TP600 has an indentation on the bottom shaped to fit this > > nameplate. > > > > I would like to get a few these to give as gifts for a couple friends with > > Thinkpads and remember they also gave you a card for ordering more > > nameplates for a fee. Does anyone have a copy of this card they can send > > me? > From cph Wed Apr 12 12:51:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA03769 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:51:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24015; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:49:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23787; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23774; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:49:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:49:37 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA04886; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:49:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Julian Thomas" , Subject: RE: Need recco - which model? Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:49:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200004121527.LAA29051@lima.epix.net> List-Unsubscribe: > I am still running my Tpad 755CE which, as I stated earlier, is venerable > but serviceable. My brother has asked me for a recco - and I'd like input > on 390 vs. I series. The budget is around $1500. What's good about the > 390 is the internal modem (even if it is a winmodem :-( - he will be > running W98 so that's not an issue. For $1500 or so, you can get a nice 600E if you do a little shopping. PII-366, 6.4Gb, 13.3" TFT. Main thing is getting that 1024x768 XGA display instead of an 800x600 SVGA (12.1"). If the 390 or i series in your price range has the 13.3", they'd be worth considering, but the 600E is a very fine machine. Egghead was auctioning off bunches of these a while back, but today they only have a few listed and the price is up higher. I'd check around at the other auction and surplus sites and see what's available. If you don't find a brand new machine at your price, a machine refurbished by IBM (as opposed to "refurbished" by a third party) can be a really good deal. -Mike From cph Wed Apr 12 15:26:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA04977 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:26:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08549; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:22:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08079; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08066; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:22:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:22:30 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.176] (helo=139-142-112-176.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 12fSib-0007JC-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:22:29 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Nameplates Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 10:59:26 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <007e01bfa421$a081cb40$f4586520@laptop> <38F3E3BA.7F80E998@home.com> <002101bfa495$1a80e340$523685d0@ecamin> In-Reply-To: <002101bfa495$1a80e340$523685d0@ecamin> Lines: 21 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: When I bought my 701 four and a half years ago, part of the deal was Lotus. I sent in the coupon to IBM, I think it was for Lotus Works for OS/2 (on CD-ROM). Never heard a thing. Didn't invest any further time, I guess I should be glad about that. >It's been almost 2 years since I sent mine in on my TP600. I also spent >almost a year and many phone calls to get my win98 upgrade of which I was >told many times by many IBM that I was eligible. Every time I called I was >referred to a different 800 #. I finally got an employee, who lied, and she >said I wasn't authorized. I finally gave up. If I was paid for my time, I >could have purchased it from MS and have enough left to buy Office. > >Ed > -- cheers Jonathan http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/hecate.htm Roads vs Rocks & Neighbourhoods From cph Wed Apr 12 15:53:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA05227 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:53:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11001; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:51:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10758; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10743; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:51:13 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id MAA20470 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:48:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000412124346.04a53a00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 12:48:22 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Nameplates In-Reply-To: References: <002101bfa495$1a80e340$523685d0@ecamin> <007e01bfa421$a081cb40$f4586520@laptop> <38F3E3BA.7F80E998@home.com> <002101bfa495$1a80e340$523685d0@ecamin> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:59 AM 4/12/2000 , Jonathan Berry wrote: >When I bought my 701 four and a half years ago, part of the >deal was Lotus. I sent in the coupon to IBM, I think it was >for Lotus Works for OS/2 (on CD-ROM). Never heard a thing. >Didn't invest any further time, I guess I should be glad about >that. > > >It's been almost 2 years since I sent mine in on my TP600. I also spent > >almost a year and many phone calls to get my win98 upgrade of which I was > >told many times by many IBM that I was eligible. Every time I called I was > >referred to a different 800 #. I finally got an employee, who lied, and she > >said I wasn't authorized. I finally gave up. If I was paid for my time, I > >could have purchased it from MS and have enough left to buy Office. Isn't it sad when a major corporation like IBM angers customers and tarnishes their reputation over a little thing like sending a fulfillment item costing $5-$50 to somebody who has spend $2000-$6000 dollars? Then again, it would seem that this is a common slip-up for IBM to make. Hmmm... Wonder what a class action lawsuit would do for future sales? Isn't this called "breach of contract"??? Bill: Care to add this to your IBM "gripes" page? -- David Goldman From cph Wed Apr 12 18:38:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA06523 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:38:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25833; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:36:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25606; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25587; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:36:11 -0400 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp-171-69-70-176.cisco.com [171.69.70.176]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.8.8+Sun/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id PAA23312; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:35:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38F4F9E9.7AC8837A@ricochet.net> Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 15:34:17 -0700 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter machule CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Peter Findeis Subject: Re: Floppy drives for TP 755 References: <200004042306.TAA05505@mail.bucknell.edu> <028201bf9ea0$2a7aa560$f7691c3f@c454306b> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Just got mine from hitechcafe today. Dropped it into a 46h5749 "flop dock", slapped that on my 730t's docking station and WHOO HOOO! working floppy drive. Such a deal. andy peter machule wrote: > http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/product.asp?dept%5Fid=6&sku=MPF720%2D2%2F21 > > $12 !! > it's worth a phone call ;-} > Picure is correct but I don't recall ever seeing a Sony product inside a 755 /760. > It was always a TEAC . > > As to the price differnce between essentially identical products ... > It's IBM ;-} > Note that many of the earlier 750 drives were 2.88 MB but the drive part you give is the > standard 1.44MB. > > ..peter.. who still can't figure IBM out ... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Findeis > To: > Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 4:06 PM > Subject: Floppy drives for TP 755 > > > Hi all, > > Diskette drive for 760 / 765 series TP is FRU # 29H9230 (IBM price of $80.75), > > BUT for the 355, 360 and 755 TP the diskette drive is FRU # 84G2269 (IBM > > price of $ 168.00) > > Both drives seem to be physically the same, and the cheaper floppy seems to > > work just fine in a 755CS > > Anybody know why the difference? > > -Pete > > > > > > From cph Wed Apr 12 18:52:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA06618 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:52:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27601; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:52:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27519; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27505; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:52:37 -0400 Received: from user-38lc88n.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lc88n.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.33.23]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA20954; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 18:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004122252.SAA20954@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004100658.CAA11178@cs.utk.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: init string List-Unsubscribe: Is that true of the SIO drivers? My antique modem only goes 28.8 so I can't tell, but I at least get that, reliably, using SIO instead of the IBM drivers. I always set compression to 115.x being an optimist. This modem however is capable of twice that given the correct file, and the same modem on the other end. I also use SIO and Vmodem to get to a third virtual port, to check over at Compuserve from time to time while logged onto my ISP. The mouse is on COM1, and the regular modem Com2, and of course the virtual modem is Com3. So, maybe you can have some fun too, at a higher speed. On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:58:32 -0500 (GMT), sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >Dunno if it works ok with 56k, since it has only been tested under OS/2 and >the OS/2 modem drivers go up to 33.6. From cph Wed Apr 12 22:21:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA07892 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:21:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11351; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:20:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11193; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11179; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 22:20:37 -0400 Received: from 701c ([63.24.138.225]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000413022035.LSDN9725.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 02:20:35 +0000 Message-ID: <006301bfa4ee$e3a3d580$e18a183f@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: 730 t/te Battery life, how short it is. Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 21:18:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. I have been bewildered by the short battery life of the 730t. After some probing, I found that most packs are at the end of their life. I decided to try and re-build one. I was quite pleased with the outcome. The packs are nothing more than 6 sub " AA " cells in series. There is also a thermister in the circuit. The rebuild consists of using an exacto knife around the seams, carefully cutting until one has two halves, then cutting the cells from the case and connections. Replacement takes about an hour. Cells cost around $ 20.00 . The life is nearly 1.5 hours per pack. Nearly 3 hours run time from both packs is O.K.. From cph Wed Apr 12 23:40:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA08337 for ; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:40:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16493; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:39:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16250; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16236; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.236.30 -> oe35.law7.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:39:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 92753 invoked by uid 65534); 13 Apr 2000 03:39:14 -0000 Message-ID: <20000413033914.92752.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.23.17.222] Reply-To: "Eugene Iwasa" From: "Eugene Iwasa" To: Subject: Suggestions on backing up system (repost) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2000 20:39:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I'm reposting this since it didn't get mailed back to me as part of the Thinkpad list. I recently purchased a 240 that I'm having serviced for a faulty modem. When I get it back, I'd like to back up the entire system so that I can restore the laptop without using IBM's recovery diskette/CD (my Addonics CD-RW will not work with the IBM recovery software). Can people suggest some options for backing up the entire laptop (6.4 GB)? I've been looking mainly at tape drives, and I'm also wondering if networking my laptop to my desktop for backing up data would be a good solution. I also wonder is it possible to back up my entire system with the CD-RW I already own? I searched through the help section of the Adaptec software that came with the CD-RW, but there is no mention of backing up an entire system, only backing up data that would fit onto a single disk. Any input would be appreciated. Eugene P.S. Thanks to Benjamin Koh and Steve C. for their replies to my recent inquiry on creating a DOS boot diskette. BTW, if anybody owns an Addonics CD-RW and would like a DOS bootup diskette, write me. From cph Thu Apr 13 00:23:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA08595 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:23:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18471; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:22:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18352; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18331; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:22:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004130422.AAA18331@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 00:22:29 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-f029.otenet.gr [212.205.234.29]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2Z6RJ99K; Wed, 12 Apr 2000 23:22:02 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:22:21 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004122252.SAA20954@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: init string List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id AAA18471 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id AAA08596 On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:57:31 -0400 (EDT), Allan Ballard wrote: >Is that true of the SIO drivers? >My antique modem only goes 28.8 so I can't tell, >but I at least get that, reliably, using SIO instead >of the IBM drivers. I always set compression >to 115.x being an optimist. This modem however >is capable of twice that given the correct file, >and the same modem on the other end. The internal modem of my 600E is a winshitsoftware modem, a pathetic excuse of a software modem with even uglier drivers. The software modem under os/2 runs only with speeds of 33.6. SIO wouldn't do anything, they would work ok, but they wouldn't be able to do much since its a software modem. SIO would control some of the communication but its up to the software driver, which sucks. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Thu Apr 13 07:28:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA10091 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:28:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12939; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:27:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12776; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:27:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12735; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:25:51 -0400 Received: from wald5 (adsl-141-155-115-231.bellatlantic.net [141.155.115.231]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA21220 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:25:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Suggestions on backing up system (repost) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:26:04 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Eugene, Doing a simple network is so cheap and easy that I wouldn't think twice. Windows 2000 has a great new feature called Synchronize that allows one to carry a synchronized copy of all your data as stored on your desktop on your laptop. Works much better than Briefcase. Now I realize you may not have W2K on your 240 or your desktop, but it's something to think about. Regards, Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Eugene Iwasa [mailto:acupuncturist@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 11:40 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Suggestions on backing up system (repost) I'm reposting this since it didn't get mailed back to me as part of the Thinkpad list. I recently purchased a 240 that I'm having serviced for a faulty modem. When I get it back, I'd like to back up the entire system so that I can restore the laptop without using IBM's recovery diskette/CD (my Addonics CD-RW will not work with the IBM recovery software). Can people suggest some options for backing up the entire laptop (6.4 GB)? I've been looking mainly at tape drives, and I'm also wondering if networking my laptop to my desktop for backing up data would be a good solution. I also wonder is it possible to back up my entire system with the CD-RW I already own? I searched through the help section of the Adaptec software that came with the CD-RW, but there is no mention of backing up an entire system, only backing up data that would fit onto a single disk. Any input would be appreciated. Eugene P.S. Thanks to Benjamin Koh and Steve C. for their replies to my recent inquiry on creating a DOS boot diskette. BTW, if anybody owns an Addonics CD-RW and would like a DOS bootup diskette, write me. From cph Thu Apr 13 07:51:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA10193 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:51:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15519; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:51:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15439; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15425; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:51:31 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2CDRQ3ZY>; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:48:13 -0400 Message-ID: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1DEC@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: "'rudolph wratten '" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu '" Subject: RE: 730 t/te Battery life, how short it is. Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 07:48:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Rudolf, You have to write a book on the 730 someday! As they say, "Your the Man!" I know what I'll be doing this weekend. Regards, Neil Numerous Thinkpads including two 730ts. -----Original Message----- From: rudolph wratten To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sent: 4/12/00 10:18 PM Subject: 730 t/te Battery life, how short it is. Hello. I have been bewildered by the short battery life of the 730t. After some probing, I found that most packs are at the end of their life. I decided to try and re-build one. I was quite pleased with the outcome. The packs are nothing more than 6 sub " AA " cells in series. There is also a thermister in the circuit. The rebuild consists of using an exacto knife around the seams, carefully cutting until one has two halves, then cutting the cells from the case and connections. Replacement takes about an hour. Cells cost around $ 20.00 . The life is nearly 1.5 hours per pack. Nearly 3 hours run time from both packs is O.K.. From cph Thu Apr 13 12:13:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA11714 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:13:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04267; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:10:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03965; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:10:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0c.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03950; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0c.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.32 -> www0c.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:10:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 17681 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2000 16:07:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20000413160712.17680.qmail@www0c.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.32 by www0c for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Thu Apr 13 16:07:12 GMT 2000 Date: 13 Apr 00 11:07:12 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Using Infrared to Sync ThinkPad and PalmV X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA11715 Hello, Has anyone here successfully used infrared to sync their ThinkPad with a Palm device? I several colleagues with 600E's and Palm Vx's that want to be able to synchronize via infrared. One of them tried getting things set up, but couldn't make it work. After enabling the TP infrared port, the Palm still couldn't communicate. This is also important to me because I am considering getting a Palm Vx or a Compaq Aero 1530 (WinCE device). As a consultant, it would be most convenient to leave the Palm's cradle at home with the home PC and still be able to sync with my 770 laptop at work via infrared(less stuff to drag along and set up). As a slightly off-topic question, does anyone know where to get the best deal on a Palm (V or Vx) or the Compaq Aero 1530? Also, I'd appreciate opinions as to why it would be better to go with the more expensive Palm over the WinCE device. They seem to be on par as far as features go, but I have absolutely no experience with them. Thanks in advance! 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From cph Thu Apr 13 12:28:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA11835 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:28:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06118; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:28:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:27:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06037; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06024; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:27:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.128.1.70 -> ne.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:27:49 -0400 Received: from Laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA21428 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:27:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: RE: suggestions on backing up system Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:27:46 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01bfa565$338509e0$0200a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Eugene, By far the simplest, imho, is to buy Norton Ghost, and backup the entire hard drive of the laptop to a compressed file on the Desktop. (I do vice versa as well, for backups of both systems every several months.) All you need is the program and a Laplink type parallel cable. It takes a while - I do it overnight. When I needed to replace the hard drive in my TP 770Z, twice, I recreated the original drive each time by this method, and it was flawless. Another option is to use Apricorn hardware to recreate the hard drive (EZ something - I forget the name of the relatively inexpensive equipment for this). It didn't work on my TP 770Z for some reason, but Bill Morrow has had good success with it. I still think Ghost is the cheapest option. I assume also that you can take the compressed Ghost file, once created, and back it up onto a CDROM for storage. Best, Jeff From cph Thu Apr 13 12:46:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA11941 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:46:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08231; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:46:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08145; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:46:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08128; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 12:46:35 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18185 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:46:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38F5F9A8.D84CD791@stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:45:28 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: suggestions on backing up system References: <000c01bfa565$338509e0$0200a8c0@Laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Using Ghost sounds like a good idea. I'm too cheap to buy extra software, so what I did was to mimic IBM's method - compress the hard drive into multiple .ZIP volumes, and burn those onto a CD-R. Put the DOS drivers on a boot disk and tweak CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT, and you got your own restore CD that works from DOS. Since I already own a CDRW, the cost was an hour or two and $0.70 for the CD-R. Benjamin Jeffrey Baker wrote: > > Hi Eugene, > > By far the simplest, imho, is to buy Norton Ghost, and backup the entire > hard drive of the laptop to a compressed file on the Desktop. (I do vice > versa as well, for backups of both systems every several months.) All you > need is the program and a Laplink type parallel cable. It takes a while - I > do it overnight. > > When I needed to replace the hard drive in my TP 770Z, twice, I recreated > the original drive each time by this method, and it was flawless. > > Another option is to use Apricorn hardware to recreate the hard drive (EZ > something - I forget the name of the relatively inexpensive equipment for > this). It didn't work on my TP 770Z for some reason, but Bill Morrow has > had good success with it. I still think Ghost is the cheapest option. > > I assume also that you can take the compressed Ghost file, once created, and > back it up onto a CDROM for storage. > > Best, Jeff -- Sign up for ClickDough and get paid to surf the web! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Thu Apr 13 13:08:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12091 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:08:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10250; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:08:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10158; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:08:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10144; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:07:57 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA07121; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:07:13 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "David Goldman" , Subject: RE: Nameplates Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:07:02 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000412124346.04a53a00@127.0.0.1> List-Unsubscribe: > Isn't it sad when a major corporation like IBM angers customers and > tarnishes their reputation over a little thing like sending a fulfillment > item costing $5-$50 to somebody who has spend $2000-$6000 dollars? > > Then again, it would seem that this is a common slip-up for IBM to make. > Hmmm... Wonder what a class action lawsuit would do for future sales? > Isn't this called "breach of contract"??? I'll bet somebody at IBM said, "Hey, we can make an extra five bucks off each ThinkPad owner. All we have to do is *not give them what we promised*." Yeah, they really encourage that. It's a great way to increase future sales and shareholder value. If that was their scheme, maybe a lawsuit would be the right way to approach it. But somehow it sounds to me more likely to be a case of "We're a big company. Sometimes things get a little confused around here. Is this my department?" I don't think I'd want to sue somebody over that without first trying some friendly persuasion. It's a lot more fun and cost-effective. Find the person who gets paid to grow the ThinkPad market and let them know that a lot of people have run into this customer service problem and how it will hurt their reputation and future sales. Or contact the president of IBM. But keep it person-to-person within the company. Why submit to a court system when you don't have to? And is the problem as widespread and persistent as it might sound? After all, how many people post to newsgroups and mailing lists just to say, "My nameplate arrived today." -Mike From cph Thu Apr 13 13:22:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12203 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:22:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11961; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:21:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11817; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11803; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:21:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.28 -> cpimssmtpu07.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:21:17 -0400 Received: from thinkpad600x - 216.160.145.238 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:21:12 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Richard A. Bilancia" To: Subject: RE: Nameplates Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:20:33 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: On a more positive note, over the years I've had 4 ThinkPads and got the nameplates for everyone (albeit one took almost 6 months). The latest was for my ThinkPad 600X that I purchased in January. The nameplate arrived last week. Rich --- Richard A. Bilancia "Adversity is the crucible in which greatness is forged." - Ken Baker From cph Thu Apr 13 13:23:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12223 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:23:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12270; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:23:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12172; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12156; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy2.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:23:22 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id KAA21316 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000413101224.00c0cf00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:20:34 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: RE: Nameplates In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.1.20000412124346.04a53a00@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:07 AM 4/13/2000 , Michael Geary wrote: > > Isn't it sad when a major corporation like IBM angers customers and > > tarnishes their reputation over a little thing like sending a fulfillment > > item costing $5-$50 to somebody who has spend $2000-$6000 dollars? > > > > Then again, it would seem that this is a common slip-up for IBM to make. > > Hmmm... Wonder what a class action lawsuit would do for future sales? > > Isn't this called "breach of contract"??? > >I'll bet somebody at IBM said, "Hey, we can make an extra five bucks off >each ThinkPad owner. All we have to do is *not give them what we promised*." > >Yeah, they really encourage that. It's a great way to increase future sales >and shareholder value. > >If that was their scheme, maybe a lawsuit would be the right way to approach >it. > >But somehow it sounds to me more likely to be a case of "We're a big >company. Sometimes things get a little confused around here. Is this my >department?" The "We're big. Sometimes things get confused around here." excuse seems to be more of a mantra than anything else. I can't tell you the number of calls I had to make to IBM over the course of 3-4 months to try and purchase an extended (three year) warranty for my TP380z. They didn't return calls. They didn't meet commitments. They didn't know which department/person could sell me the extended warranty. They took almost a month to even give me the correct part numbers for the 2 and 3 year extended warranties once I got in contact with the correct person/department. Sheesh! It was like pulling teeth to try and get the right information just so I could spend more money with them. In the end, I was so frustrated that I chose to NOT purchase the extended warranty and instead I'll hope for the best and either pay the repair cost out of my own pocket or purchase a new laptop if/when a repair becomes necessary. So far, I've had mine for almost 18 months without a single problem. >I don't think I'd want to sue somebody over that without first trying some >friendly persuasion. It's a lot more fun and cost-effective. Find the person >who gets paid to grow the ThinkPad market and let them know that a lot of >people have run into this customer service problem and how it will hurt >their reputation and future sales. Or contact the president of IBM. But keep >it person-to-person within the company. Why submit to a court system when >you don't have to? I wasn't serious about suggesting that we look at hiring a lawyer this week but it does seem to be something that has fallen through the cracks more than once. >And is the problem as widespread and persistent as it might sound? After >all, how many people post to newsgroups and mailing lists just to say, "My >nameplate arrived today." I doubt many post to say it did arrive, but even with this small mailing list of dedicated TP owners, we've gotten a few to (when prompted) did say "I DIDN'T get my name plate!" -- David Goldman From cph Thu Apr 13 13:35:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12279 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:35:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13742; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:34:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13642; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:34:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13628; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:34:26 -0400 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp-171-69-70-176.cisco.com [171.69.70.176]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.8.8+Sun/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id KAA27185 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:34:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38F604D5.AF7EA947@ricochet.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:33:09 -0700 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: nameplates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: 770ed, sent in the reg when it was new. No nameplate after two years. No nice place to stick it either, compared to the 755's. From cph Thu Apr 13 13:37:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12291 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:37:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14234; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:37:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14145; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14132; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (128.183.251.102 -> popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:37:23 -0400 Received: from dhelfrich.gsfc.nasa.gov (dhelfrich.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.215.1]) by popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA09451; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <02cd01bfa56f$1fd6ffc0$01d7b780@dhelfrich.gsfc.nasa.gov> From: "Dan Helfrich" To: "Rob Bell" Cc: Subject: Re: Using Infrared to Sync ThinkPad and PalmV Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:38:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Rob, I've used numerous Palm devices (but not the Vx) and all have been IR Sync'd successfully with my Thinkpad600 with varying degrees of setup effort required. For help on installing the right software on the Thinkpad, one can go to www.palm.com and surf through their pages for info, and I think IBM may also offer some help on setting up Palm IR, search with "Workpad." Also, there is more info at www.iscomplete.com I would definitely go with the Palm tool. At least wait patiently for the "PocketPC" debut in a week or two and see what it really brings to the table. Try www.smaller.com for the latest scoop. My reasons for staying with the Palm OS device I own, the Handspring Visor (www.handspring.com) are many: better usability, huge user base, 1000's of third-party apps, longer battery life, among others. On the other hand, if gee whiz is your goal, then playing MP3's on your handheld gets you there pretty fast. Maybe. Dan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Daniel D. Helfrich, Mechanical Systems Manager, EOS Aura Project NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Code 543, Greenbelt, MD, USA 20771 phone: (301)286-8481 fax: (301)286-1744 email: helfrich@gsfc.nasa.gov -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Date: Thursday, April 13, 2000 12:13 PM Subject: Using Infrared to Sync ThinkPad and PalmV Hello, Has anyone here successfully used infrared to sync their ThinkPad with a Palm device? I several colleagues with 600E's and Palm Vx's that want to be able to synchronize via infrared. One of them tried getting things set up, but couldn't make it work. After enabling the TP infrared port, the Palm still couldn't communicate. This is also important to me because I am considering getting a Palm Vx or a Compaq Aero 1530 (WinCE device). As a consultant, it would be most convenient to leave the Palm's cradle at home with the home PC and still be able to sync with my 770 laptop at work via infrared(less stuff to drag along and set up). As a slightly off-topic question, does anyone know where to get the best deal on a Palm (V or Vx) or the Compaq Aero 1530? Also, I'd appreciate opinions as to why it would be better to go with the more expensive Palm over the WinCE device. They seem to be on par as far as features go, but I have absolutely no experience with them. Thanks in advance! Rob rbell1@netscape.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Thu Apr 13 13:48:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12356 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:48:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15573; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:47:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15486; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firefly.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15473; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firefly.cisco.com (171.69.63.22 -> firefly.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 13:47:46 -0400 Received: from tricent (dhcp-171-69-66-184.cisco.com [171.69.66.184]) by firefly.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with SMTP id KAA02456 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:47:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tony Rice" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: mice with scrolling wheels Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:47:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I've got a Logitech mouse (MouseMan Wheel) which I've learned isn't exactly compatible with my Thinkpad 600E. I can get the wheel to work but it involves disabling the trackpoint on the Thinkpad, something I'm not willing to do. What other mice out there with the scrolling wheels (very handy for web browsing and reading long documents), are compatible with Thinkpads? Does any of the Microsoft mice work? From cph Thu Apr 13 14:22:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA12564 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:22:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20333; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:21:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19885; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mi8.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19871; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mi8.com (63.68.243.13 -> mail.mi8.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:21:31 -0400 Received: from nycexbh01.mi8.com (unverified) by mail.mi8.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:17:58 -0400 Received: by nycexbh01.mi8.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <2ZTB4MKH>; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:16:41 -0400 Message-ID: <37E1E2BB9C28D311AB390008C707D2A602E9348B@nycexis01.mi8.com> From: Steve Hultquist To: Rob Bell , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: RE: Using Infrared to Sync ThinkPad and PalmV Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:16:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFA574.6A42602C" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFA574.6A42602C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This works on Win98, but not on Win2k. You need to set infrared on the Palm, then set HotSync to use the COM port that has the infrared adapter. Then, hit HotSync on the Palm and you should be golden. If it doesn't work, drop me a mail. I've had it working on my 600E for months. ssh -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bell [mailto:rbell1@netscape.net] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:07 AM To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Using Infrared to Sync ThinkPad and PalmV Hello, Has anyone here successfully used infrared to sync their ThinkPad with a Palm device? I several colleagues with 600E's and Palm Vx's that want to be able to synchronize via infrared. One of them tried getting things set up, but couldn't make it work. After enabling the TP infrared port, the Palm still couldn't communicate. This is also important to me because I am considering getting a Palm Vx or a Compaq Aero 1530 (WinCE device). As a consultant, it would be most convenient to leave the Palm's cradle at home with the home PC and still be able to sync with my 770 laptop at work via infrared(less stuff to drag along and set up). As a slightly off-topic question, does anyone know where to get the best deal on a Palm (V or Vx) or the Compaq Aero 1530? Also, I'd appreciate opinions as to why it would be better to go with the more expensive Palm over the WinCE device. They seem to be on par as far as features go, but I have absolutely no experience with them. Thanks in advance! Rob rbell1@netscape.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFA574.6A42602C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Using Infrared to Sync ThinkPad and PalmV

This works on Win98, but not on Win2k. You need to = set infrared on the Palm, then set HotSync to use the COM port that has = the infrared adapter. Then, hit HotSync on the Palm and you should be = golden. If it doesn't work, drop me a mail. I've had it working on my = 600E for months.

ssh

-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Bell [mailto:rbell1@netscape.net]
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 10:07 AM
To: ThinkPad Mailing List
Subject: Using Infrared to Sync ThinkPad and = PalmV


Hello,

Has anyone here successfully used infrared to sync = their ThinkPad with a Palm
device?  I several colleagues with 600E's and = Palm Vx's that want to be able
to synchronize via infrared.  One of them tried = getting things set up, but
couldn't make it work.  After enabling the TP = infrared port, the Palm still
couldn't communicate. 

This is also important to me because I am considering = getting a Palm Vx or a
Compaq Aero 1530 (WinCE device).  As a = consultant, it would be most convenient
to leave the Palm's cradle at home with the home PC = and still be able to sync
with my 770 laptop at work via infrared(less stuff = to drag along and set up).


As a slightly off-topic question, does anyone know = where to get the best deal
on a Palm (V or Vx) or the Compaq Aero 1530?  = Also, I'd appreciate opinions as
to why it would be better to go with the more = expensive Palm over the WinCE
device.  They seem to be on par as far as = features go, but I have absolutely
no experience with them.

Thanks in advance!

Rob
rbell1@netscape.net

_______________________________________________________________= _____
Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account = today at http://webmail.netscape.com.

------_=_NextPart_001_01BFA574.6A42602C-- From cph Thu Apr 13 14:44:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA12687 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:44:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23395; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:43:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23313; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23292; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:43:16 -0400 Received: from 209-122-243-44.s44.tnt1.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.243.44] helo=ppro) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12foaE-0000sp-00; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:43:18 -0400 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:42:09 -0400 Message-ID: <02fc01bfa577$efdcf5f0$0d00a8c0@dec5200> From: "R Briganti" To: "Tony Rice" Cc: "Thinkpad List" References: Subject: Re: mice with scrolling wheels Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:41:53 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: Have you tried AutoDisable in the ThinkPad setup? It's the only way I got my Trackman Wheel to work with my 600. The Trackpoint is disabled only if the external device is detected. You will have to reboot to get back the Trackpoint. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Rice" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" <> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 13:47 Subject: mice with scrolling wheels > I've got a Logitech mouse (MouseMan Wheel) which I've learned isn't exactly > compatible with my Thinkpad 600E. I can get the wheel to work but it > involves disabling the trackpoint on the Thinkpad, something I'm not willing > to do. > > What other mice out there with the scrolling wheels (very handy for web > browsing and reading long documents), are compatible with Thinkpads? Does > any of the Microsoft mice work? > > From cph Thu Apr 13 14:53:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA12746 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:53:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24856; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:53:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24778; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24764; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:53:20 -0400 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03460 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port87.magma.ca [209.217.123.87]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA14274 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004131853.OAA14274@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 14:50:22 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Palm sync (?) problem List-Unsubscribe: Since we're talking about Palms right now, I'm having a problem with mine and am not sure how best to solve it. Configuration: TP600 Palm Vx serial connection Lotus Organizer v6 HotSync (built in to Organizer) It worked fine until recently, but the sync'ing stops at the contact list. The Palm shows a "Fatal Error" and I think I have to use the button on the back to reset. I've discovered that after doing that, when I start the Palm and hit the "contacts" button (telephone), I get a Fatal Error and have to reboot, so I don't think it's the sync'ing that's the problem. Might have caused it though. The only solution I can find from the manual is to do a Hard Reset. Don't think I'll lose much from the Palm but that's all I can think of. If I do that, do I have to do something with the Palm Desktop, or can I go straight to Lotus? The manual only talks about PD. Thanks! (BTW, here's an edited version of the log, dates are MM/DD/YY at start of each, DD/MM/YY at end. Any ideas will be appreciated!) HotSync operation started 04/11/00 12:36:50 Mail - sync configured to Do Nothing Organizer: 0 Added, 0 Repeat Added, 0 Modified, 40 Deleted Pilot: 0 Added, 0 Modified, 0 Deleted OK Organizer Dates Organizer Contacts synchronization failed HotSync Error: Connection is lost (6410) HotSync operation complete 11/04/00 12:38:05 PM HotSync operation started 04/09/00 15:36:21 Mail - sync configured to Do Nothing -- Organizer Dates - The following record was modified on both Pilot and the Desktop: VISA due, 4/6/2000, Untimed This record will be duplicated on each platform. Delete the unwanted record and HotSync again. Organizer: 0 Added, 0 Repeat Added, 0 Modified, 0 Deleted Pilot: 1 Added, 80 Modified, 0 Deleted OK Organizer Dates with 1 message(s) Organizer Contacts synchronization failed HotSync Error: Connection is lost (6410) HotSync operation complete 09/04/00 04:04:25 PM HotSync operation started 04/07/00 17:59:06 Mail - sync configured to Do Nothing -- Organizer Dates - The following record was modified on both Pilot and the Desktop: [...], 3/31/2000, 4:00pm This record will be duplicated on each platform. Delete the unwanted record and HotSync again. - The following record was modified on both Pilot and the Desktop: [...], 4/14/2000, 4:00pm This record will be duplicated on each platform. Delete the unwanted record and HotSync again. [this goes on and on until 3/14/2003, 4:00pm] This record will be duplicated on each platform. Delete the unwanted record and HotSync again. Organizer: 1 Added, 0 Repeat Added, 0 Modified, 0 Deleted Pilot: 79 Added, 3 Modified, 0 Deleted OK Organizer Dates with 78 message(s) Organizer Contacts synchronization failed HotSync Error: Connection is lost (6410) HotSync operation complete 07/04/00 06:00:23 PM HotSync operation started 03/31/00 10:18:01 Mail - sync configured to Do Nothing Organizer: 0 Added, 0 Repeat Added, 0 Modified, 0 Deleted Pilot: 3 Added, 1 Modified, 2 Deleted OK Organizer Dates Organizer: 0 Added, 0 Repeat Added, 0 Modified, 0 Deleted Pilot: 0 Added, 1 Modified, 0 Deleted OK Organizer Contacts Organizer: 0 Added, 0 Repeat Added, 0 Modified, 0 Deleted Pilot: 0 Added, 44 Modified, 0 Deleted OK Organizer To Do Organizer: 0 Added, 0 Repeat Added, 0 Modified, 0 Deleted Pilot: 0 Added, 0 Modified, 0 Deleted OK Organizer Notepad OK Expense OK Mobile Application Link -- Backing up db LauncherDB to file d:\programfiles\Palm\WebberA\Backup\LauncherDB.PDB OK System HotSync operation complete 31/03/00 10:19:44 AM andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Thu Apr 13 15:27:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA12966 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:27:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28842; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:24:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28513; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28500; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:24:51 -0400 Received: from Hades ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA03411 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: "'TP List'" Subject: RE: mice with scrolling wheels Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:25:14 -0500 Message-ID: <001801bfa586$60a833e0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Tony, I've got a small black IBM mouse model 12JK3619 with a purple scrollpointer in the center - when you press it, it gives you the wheel icon. You move the mouse above or below the icon to get the scroll. Alternatively, if you install the MSOffice drivers, it linked to and scrolled the elevator, but I uninstalled it - I hate superfluous resource-sucking tasks. (no flames as to what I'm still doing with Windoz) BTW: Purchased directly from IBM. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Rice [mailto:trice@cisco.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:48 AM > To: Thinkpad Mailing List > Subject: mice with scrolling wheels > > > I've got a Logitech mouse (MouseMan Wheel) which I've learned > isn't exactly > compatible with my Thinkpad 600E. I can get the wheel to work but it > involves disabling the trackpoint on the Thinkpad, something > I'm not willing > to do. > > What other mice out there with the scrolling wheels (very > handy for web > browsing and reading long documents), are compatible with > Thinkpads? Does > any of the Microsoft mice work? > From cph Thu Apr 13 16:23:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA13523 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:23:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04648; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:23:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04521; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04492; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 16:23:09 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA03788 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 15:21:48 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <200004132021.PAA03788@europa.veggie.com> Subject: [TP560x] can use other TP power supplies? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:21:48 +0000 () Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hiya, I'm curious, every once in a while I end up stranded somewhere with my TP560x without the power brick/supply and then occasionally start running out of battery .. _just_ when it gets important of course :-) I have a friend who frequently totes his TP powersupply with him (I'm not sure about his model, but it's the one - old - with the funky butterfly keboard). My question, can I plug my TP560x into his power supply to charge up my batteries or is this risky for some incompatibility reasons? More generally, can all TPs be plugged into any other TPs' power supply? Thanks, Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Thu Apr 13 18:10:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA14281 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:10:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14775; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:08:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14493; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.sivco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14472; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:08:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.sivco.com (209.91.123.78 -> h-209-91-123-78.gen.cadvision.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:08:25 -0400 Subject: Re: Suggestions on backing up system (repost) To: "Eugene Iwasa" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:08:09 -0600 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on tigger/Sivco(Release 5.0.1a|August 17, 1999) at 04/13/2000 04:09:12 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA14282 I have a Plextor 8/20 CD writer (with Adapec PCMCIA SCSI) which let you create image backups from your system. It will create BOOTABLE CD-ROM images for restoring. Works with FAT16/FAT32/NTFS/HPFS and Linux drives. During restore you even can re-size the partition. Works fine in our workgroup for everyone. (We are using it on Thinkpad 760CD, 810M 2.1G 3G, 5.1G, 8G 14.1G on Thinkpad 770 series) Geza Geza Szivos mailto:Geza.Szivos@SIVCO.com System Analyst/eDBA Certified VisualAge for C++ Object Oriented Developer, Certified WebSphere, DB2 and VisualAge Java Associate Developer, VisualWarehouse Specialist, Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, Certified Warp Server Engineer SIVCO Inc. «Calgary, AB» «Buffalo, NY» «Olympia, WA» Visit our web page http://www.sivco.com Head office: 118 Arbour Summit Close NW Calgary, Alberta Canada T3G 3W2 Toll Free Call: (877) 700-2600 Toll Free Fax: (877) 547-4741 In Calgary call (403) 208-2600 Cellular (360) 481-2828 "Eugene Iwasa" tmail.com> cc: Subject: Suggestions on backing up system (repost) 04/12/00 09:39 PM Please respond to "Eugene Iwasa" I'm reposting this since it didn't get mailed back to me as part of the Thinkpad list. I recently purchased a 240 that I'm having serviced for a faulty modem. When I get it back, I'd like to back up the entire system so that I can restore the laptop without using IBM's recovery diskette/CD (my Addonics CD-RW will not work with the IBM recovery software). Can people suggest some options for backing up the entire laptop (6.4 GB)? I've been looking mainly at tape drives, and I'm also wondering if networking my laptop to my desktop for backing up data would be a good solution. I also wonder is it possible to back up my entire system with the CD-RW I already own? I searched through the help section of the Adaptec software that came with the CD-RW, but there is no mention of backing up an entire system, only backing up data that would fit onto a single disk. Any input would be appreciated. Eugene P.S. Thanks to Benjamin Koh and Steve C. for their replies to my recent inquiry on creating a DOS boot diskette. BTW, if anybody owns an Addonics CD-RW and would like a DOS bootup diskette, write me. From cph Thu Apr 13 19:46:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA14903 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:46:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06278; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:38:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03535; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03490; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:38:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:38:18 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc3a14.bf.sover.net [209.198.115.15]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA22355 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004132338.TAA22355@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) sover.net from arc3a14.bf.sover.net [209.198.115.15] 209.198.115.15 Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:10:56 -0400 To: "thinkpad" In-Reply-To: <200004130422.AAA18331@cs.utk.edu> Subject: Re: init string X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 List-Unsubscribe: sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." said: >On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 07:57:31 -0400 (EDT), Allan Ballard wrote: >>Is that true of the SIO drivers? >>My antique modem only goes 28.8 so I can't tell, >>but I at least get that, reliably, using SIO instead >>of the IBM drivers. I always set compression >>to 115.x being an optimist. This modem however >>is capable of twice that given the correct file, >>and the same modem on the other end. >The internal modem of my 600E is a winshitsoftware modem, a pathetic excuse >of a software modem with even uglier drivers. The software modem under os/2 >runs only with speeds of 33.6. It is not a WinModem. It is a variant of the MWave. -- I suspect the reason for the 33.6 drivers has more to do with M$ threats on the driver vendor, then anything else. This might change with the next version of OS2, but its just a guess on my part. _____________ Ed Letourneau From cph Thu Apr 13 21:22:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA15420 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:22:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12647; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:22:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:21:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12474; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12438; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:21:23 -0400 Received: from 208-58-198-112.s112.tnt11.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.198.112] helo=bilbobag) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12funW-00001G-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:21:26 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:19:15 -0400 Message-ID: <01BFA58D.EBECCE00.lingenfr@erols.com> From: Bilbo Baggins To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: New Screen (and some parts) for a 701CS Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:58:16 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I would like to get a screen for my 701CS (mine is smashed). If I got a complete lid, that would be OK. If possible, I would also like to get one of the rubber boots that cover the parallel port and one (or two) of the plastic pieces that cover the PCMCIA slots. These parts for are for my second (until recently third) 701, so I am not in a hurry and am not going to spend too much. I you know where I can find these, point me in the right direction. I have been watching the auction sites and have not seen any recently. Rusty From cph Thu Apr 13 21:33:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA15488 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:33:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13552; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:32:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13455; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13420; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.107 -> pilot007.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:32:49 -0400 Received: from android.msu.edu (pm452-17.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.123]) by pilot007.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA66992 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:32:46 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000413213221.00d45330@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:33:44 -0400 To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: New Screen (and some parts) for a 701CS In-Reply-To: <01BFA58D.EBECCE00.lingenfr@erols.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Take a look at http://bluestarusa.com -- they have original IBM parts. I don't know if they have anything that old, but its worth a shot. --STeve Andre' At 08:58 PM 4/13/00 -0400, Bilbo Baggins wrote: >Hi, > >I would like to get a screen for my 701CS (mine is smashed). If I got a >complete lid, that would be OK. If possible, I would also like to get one >of the rubber boots that cover the parallel port and one (or two) of the >plastic pieces that cover the PCMCIA slots. These parts for are for my >second (until recently third) 701, so I am not in a hurry and am not going >to spend too much. I you know where I can find these, point me in the right >direction. I have been watching the auction sites and have not seen any >recently. > >Rusty From cph Thu Apr 13 21:40:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA15552 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:40:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14272; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:39:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14195; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14185; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:39:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.3 -> imo13.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:39:53 -0400 Received: from JuanT2@aol.com by imo13.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id o.e4.3a4e8e9 (3872) for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:39:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:39:46 EDT Subject: How to Unsubscribe......?? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 List-Unsubscribe: Sorry for the wasted bandwidth but since the list doesn't offer any footers describing the method of unsubscribing and I don't have the original subscription e-mail I must ask......How do I unsubscibe to this list? Thanks in advance. Juan From cph Thu Apr 13 22:25:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA15789 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:25:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17577; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:25:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:24:05 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17349; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:24:04 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id WAA28258 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 22:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13753; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 21:34:09 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a43.pm3-15.theriver.com [208.164.96.107]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9329E25FAB; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 18:33:49 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <38F66BD7.70301572@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:53:25 -0700 From: Ray Bayles Organization: Canyonlands Publishing, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 32 G-Byte Hard Drive for Thinkpads Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: >From CNN.com April 13, 2000 Posted at 12:11 p.m. EDT by Terho Uimonen (IDG) - IBM's storage technology division this week introduced a video-savvy, 32 G-byte hard drive for notebook PCs. Billed as teh industry's higheste-capacity notebook hard drive to date, teh Travelstar 32GH is also designed to deliver smoother audio and video playback, IBM said in a statement. Performance is also boosted by the drive's four disk platters spinning at 5,411 rotations per minute (rpm), some 1,200 rpm faster than the average notebook drive on the market today, according to IBM. Scheduled to ship in limited quantities by June and in volume by August, the 32 GH is capable of storing up to eight DVD (digital versatile disc)-quality movies, 32,000 high-resolution digital photographs or the equivalent of 49 music CDs (compact discs) IBM said. The 12.5-millimeter high drive weighs in at 5.43 ounces (155 grams), and other features include a 12 millisecond average read seek time and 66.6M-byte per second Ultra DMA mode-4 interface. In addition, IBM announced that in May it will start supplying in volume two new 20G-byte and 30-Gbyte Travelstar hard drives to major notebook vendors, including Compaq, Dell, Gateway and teh IBM Personal Systems Group. The 9.5 millimeter high 20G-byte Travelstar 20GN is aimed at ultra-portables, while the 12.5-millimeter 30GT model is aimed at mainstream notebooks, IBM said. Pricing information for the new Travelstar drives was not available. The new drives are the first IBM notebook hard drives. - 0 - End of dupe. From cph Thu Apr 13 23:49:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA16243 for ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:49:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22269; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:48:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22118; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22104; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy2.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:48:31 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id UAA21386; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000413204501.04dc3690@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 20:46:50 -0700 To: , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: How to Unsubscribe......?? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:39 PM 4/13/2000 , JuanT2@aol.com wrote: >Sorry for the wasted bandwidth but since the list doesn't offer any footers >describing the method of unsubscribing and I don't have the original >subscription e-mail I must ask......How do I unsubscibe to this list? Thanks >in advance. The information you seek was not in a "footer" but rather in the header information of EVERY e-mail sent via this list. To unsubscribe, you must not only send a message with the subject being 'unsubscribe' (without the quotes), but you must also send it to the proper address (which is DIFFERENT from the normal address used for messages. So, either send a message as follows: TO: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu SUBJECT: unsubscribe or click on the link below: List-Unsubscribe: The door to return is always open. Just re-join the list the same way you did originally. Good luck -- David Goldman From cph Fri Apr 14 00:50:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA16419 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:50:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25640; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:50:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25480; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25467; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004140450.AAA25467@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:50:00 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-f191.otenet.gr [212.205.234.191]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2Z6RJ0RD; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:49:37 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:49:59 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: Nameplates List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id AAA25640 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id AAA16420 On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:07:02 -0700, Michael Geary wrote: >Yeah, they really encourage that. It's a great way to increase future sales >and shareholder value. >If that was their scheme, maybe a lawsuit would be the right way to approach >it. >But somehow it sounds to me more likely to be a case of "We're a big >company. Sometimes things get a little confused around here. Is this my >department?" There is also one more possibility, that IBM withdrew the service of nameplates a long time ago and we don't know about it. Usualy IBM makes some public announcement via their website and thats all you'll get. Since not many people sit all day looking at new announcements in ibm's website they are not noticed. i think IBM publishes their announcements in www.ibmlink.ibm.com or something. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Fri Apr 14 00:56:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA16453 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:56:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26236; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:55:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26156; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26084; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:55:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004140455.AAA26084@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:55:45 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-f191.otenet.gr [212.205.234.191]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2Z6RJ0RJ; Thu, 13 Apr 2000 23:55:20 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 07:55:35 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: mice with scrolling wheels List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id AAA26236 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id AAA16454 On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:47:41 -0700, Tony Rice wrote: >I've got a Logitech mouse (MouseMan Wheel) which I've learned isn't exactly >compatible with my Thinkpad 600E. I can get the wheel to work but it >involves disabling the trackpoint on the Thinkpad, something I'm not willing >to do. >What other mice out there with the scrolling wheels (very handy for web >browsing and reading long documents), are compatible with Thinkpads? Does >any of the Microsoft mice work? i think the trackpoint will always affect your external mouse unless you disable it by either choosing the 'disabled' option or the 'auto-disable' from the TP config. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Fri Apr 14 01:01:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA16479 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:01:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26789; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:00:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26687; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26670; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004140500.BAA26670@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:00:29 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-f191.otenet.gr [212.205.234.191]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2Z6RJ0RN; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:00:05 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:00:20 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004132338.TAA22355@garnet.sover.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: init string List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id BAA26789 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id BAA16480 On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 19:10:56 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >It is not a WinModem. It is a variant of the MWave. -- I suspect the reason >for the 33.6 drivers has more to do with M$ threats on the driver vendor, then >anything else. This might change with the next version of OS2, but its just a >guess on my part. i dont think ibm will bother to update the drivers, i've seen this tactic before, when they release something newer they give all their support to that, so since newer laptops use a Lucent (?) modem, they wont bother with the MWave. Actualy i'd do the same thing, why spend money+time+resources of programmers on a task that you can get away with? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Fri Apr 14 01:03:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA16504 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:03:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27215; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:02:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:02:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27139; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27120; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004140502.BAA27120@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:02:36 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-f191.otenet.gr [212.205.234.191]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2Z6RJ0RQ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 00:02:12 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:02:27 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <38F66BD7.70301572@theriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: 32 G-Byte Hard Drive for Thinkpads List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id BAA27215 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id BAA16505 On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 17:53:25 -0700, Ray Bayles wrote: >Scheduled to ship in limited quantities by June and in volume by >August, the 32 GH is capable of storing up to eight DVD (digital >versatile disc)-quality movies, 32,000 high-resolution digital >photographs or the equivalent of 49 music CDs (compact discs) IBM said. 32gigs will also get you about 15.000 mp3 files.. now how many CD's is that? :) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Fri Apr 14 02:18:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA16803 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:18:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01051; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:17:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00896; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00883; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004140617.CAA00883@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:17:42 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-f191.otenet.gr [212.205.234.191]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2Z6RJ0SW; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:17:16 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:17:37 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: password? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id CAA01051 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA16804 I found an interesting pages that explains how to disable the passwords of a thinkpad by doing something under the dimm cover: http://servicepac.mainz.ibm.com/eprmhtml/epr2e/f6404.htm þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Fri Apr 14 02:23:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA16825 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:23:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01536; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:23:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01457; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01444; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004140623.CAA01444@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 02:23:10 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-f191.otenet.gr [212.205.234.191]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2Z6RJ0TG; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 01:22:48 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:23:11 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: low level format List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id CAA01536 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA16826 Another interesting page, explains how to enter a 'secret' menu in the BIOS which allows you to do a low level format of the harddrive. http://servicepac.mainz.ibm.com/eprmhtml/epr2d/h6019.htm þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Fri Apr 14 09:03:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA18282 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:03:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24611; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:01:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24250; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24236; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:01:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id JAA15716; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:01:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:01:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: JuanT2@aol.com cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How to Unsubscribe......?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 JuanT2@aol.com wrote: > Sorry for the wasted bandwidth but since the list doesn't offer any footers > describing the method of unsubscribing and I don't have the original > subscription e-mail I must ask......How do I unsubscibe to this list? Thanks > in advance. > In order to List-Unsubscribe: mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Have a nice day, Bruce Komar From cph Fri Apr 14 09:39:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA18487 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:39:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29832; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:39:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29671; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29657; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:39:16 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA04569; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 08:38:04 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <200004141338.IAA04569@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: [TP560x] can use other TP power supplies? To: bandy@ricochet.net (Andrew Scott Beals) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:38:03 +0000 () Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <38F65251.92498177@ricochet.net> from "Andrew Scott Beals" at Apr 13, 2000 04:03:46 PM Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Andrew Scott Beals writes: > > If his supply has [a] the same connector and is [b] of equal or higher > capacity, then go for it! Equal or higher capacity as measured in amps? I got one message saying that if I had lower amps, I could still use it to charge my battery though it might not be enought to power my system. What do you think? Esmail ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Fri Apr 14 11:13:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA19235 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:13:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08737; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:10:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08207; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08194; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:10:51 -0400 Received: from 701c ([63.20.181.123]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000414151049.BCQS9725.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:10:49 +0000 Message-ID: <001401bfa623$a9ba7aa0$7bb5143f@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Re: [TP560x] can use other TP power supplies? Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:11:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. Yes. The 560 COULD CHARGE from a 701 power supply, however, the 701 supply is not rated for the full load of a 560. I would recommend a cheap 15.5 volt, at least 2.5 amp power supply. This can be done cheaply by getting a 3 amp rated 12 volt ( 13.6v ) power supply that is used, for example, to run a automotive C.B. radio. This will have some regulation adjust. Set this for 15.5, and get the correct 'barrel' connection. Tip is positive +. Radio Shack in the U.S. has a size selector and carries the correct barrel. The other alternative is to get a generic 15.5 volt supply of the correct current rating. It MUST be regulated, a switching supply is always regulated. The generic supply I have can power the 560, 701 and the 730 with the correct " tip ". The empower can power thinkpads directly. -----Original Message----- From: Esmail Bonakdarian To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, April 13, 2000 3:23 PM Subject: [TP560x] can use other TP power supplies? >Hiya, > >I'm curious, every once in a while I end up stranded somewhere with my >TP560x without the power brick/supply and then occasionally start >running out of battery .. _just_ when it gets important of course :-) > >I have a friend who frequently totes his TP powersupply with him (I'm >not sure about his model, but it's the one - old - with the funky >butterfly keboard). > >My question, can I plug my TP560x into his power supply to charge up >my batteries or is this risky for some incompatibility reasons? > >More generally, can all TPs be plugged into any other TPs' power >supply? > >Thanks, >Esmail >---- >Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Fri Apr 14 12:40:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA19935 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:40:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16202; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:40:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16057; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16044; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:40:02 -0400 Received: from ix.netcom.com (sji-ca2-48.ix.netcom.com [205.186.212.48]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA25743; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38F74A40.6A41F74@ix.netcom.com> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 09:41:36 -0700 From: Kenneth Rosenblatt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Recommendation for Ethernet Network Interface Card to use with 560E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm planning to sign up for Mindspring's recently announced DSL service, which requires that I have either a USB port (no such luck on my 560E) or a "10 BASE-T Ethernet Network Interface Card (NIC)" available. I guess I'm in the market for the latter. I suppose I can also use it in some of the hotels which have recently added high-speed access; I stayed in one recently which required an Ethernet card. I won't be using the Ethernet card for any other purpose. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Ken Rosenblatt From cph Fri Apr 14 13:29:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20334 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:29:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19636; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:24:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19482; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19469; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (199.224.64.57 -> bean.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:24:24 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp74.epix.net [199.224.125.74]) by bean.epix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/1999100101/PL) with SMTP id NAA02540 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004141724.NAA02540@bean.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:17:24 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755CE - PC Card problems - OS2 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.1 c10 List-Unsubscribe: I have a 755CE that I recently updated to warp 4 with FP 12, and I've installed the thinkpad stuff from the thinkpad web site. I'd never bothered with PC card stuff until now, since I never had anything to plug into the slot. Now I have a digital camera with CF memory and a PCMCIA adapter for the memory card. I installed the PCMCIA stuff (which made a hash of config.sys and required that I revert from SIO to COM.SYS) and it seems to be OK - no nasty messages from bootup, but when I plug in the memory card, it correctly identifies it as a 64meg memory card - disk - but also has a "not ready" symbol. Same thing happens with another CF card, except the ID is all messed up. When I installed, it seems to have backlevelled some of the stuff that FP12 updated - maybe I should reapply the fixpack? Any other ideas? -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org WarpTech 2000: May 26-28 in Phoenix - plan NOW to attend! www.warptech.org -- -- Death to all fanatics! From cph Fri Apr 14 13:45:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20454 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:45:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21622; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:44:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21286; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21264; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy2.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:44:07 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id KAA28930 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000414103731.04d94a80@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:41:36 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Recommendation for Ethernet Network Interface Card to use with 560E In-Reply-To: <38F74A40.6A41F74@ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:41 AM 4/14/2000 , you wrote: >I'm planning to sign up for Mindspring's recently announced DSL service, >which requires that I have either a USB port (no such luck on my 560E) >or a "10 BASE-T Ethernet Network Interface Card (NIC)" available. I >guess I'm in the market for the latter. I suppose I can also use it in >some of the hotels which have recently added high-speed access; I stayed >in one recently which required an Ethernet card. > >I won't be using the Ethernet card for any other purpose. Any >recommendations would be appreciated. Expensive but working well for me (OS/2 and NT) on my TP380z as well as others is the Xircom Real-Port series of cards. They have ethernet, modem and combo (10-Base-T & 56K Modem) cards in 16 and 32 bit cardbus versions. The good thing about these cards is that they require **NO** dongles/adapter cables. The normal cables just plug directly into the PCMCIA card. The trade-off is that they are thick and therefore occupy both PCMCIA slots when installed. www.xircom.com for detailed technical information. -- David Goldman From cph Fri Apr 14 13:48:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20473 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:48:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22083; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:47:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21984; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web123.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21935; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web123.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.191 -> web123.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:47:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 15436 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2000 17:47:41 -0000 Message-ID: <20000414174741.15435.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Received: from [4.54.169.236] by web123.yahoomail.com; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:47:41 PDT Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:47:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Recommendation for Ethernet Network Interface To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: You probably better wait until you find out if you can REALLY GET DSL, although it couldn't hurt to get a network card anyway! Lots of companies advertise DSL but they can't deliver in most areas. It's only REALLY available in certain cities and then you have to be within 15K feet of the C.O., no amps or equalizers or your line, etc. Everyone advertises it being available in my area in Arizona but when I try to sign up, they can't provide it. My only hope seems to bet a microwave link from Speedchoice. It also requires an ethernet card and I have found that 3-Com models work well. >>I'm planning to sign up for Mindspring's recently announced DSL service, which requires that I have either a USB port (no such luck on my 560E) or a "10 BASE-T Ethernet Network Interface Card (NIC)" available. I guess I'm in the market for the latter. I suppose I can also use it in some of the hotels which have recently added high-speed access; I stayed in one recently which required an Ethernet card. I won't be using the Ethernet card for any other purpose. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Ken Rosenblatt __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From cph Fri Apr 14 13:55:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20527 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:55:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22991; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:54:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22904; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22530; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243 -> maynard.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:51:06 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2inihgd.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.70.13]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04778 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:51:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Subject: RE: Recommendation for Ethernet Network Interface Card to use with 560E Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:51:22 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <38F74A40.6A41F74@ix.netcom.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: IMHO, the XIRCOM RealPort 2 is absolutely the best. It takes up both PC card slots, but requires no dongle or attachment. I always either lose or break these attachments. You can use a second RealPort 2 PC card in the other slot (modem, etc.). It's a clever ergonomic design. -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Rosenblatt [mailto:krosen@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 12:42 PM To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Recommendation for Ethernet Network Interface Card to use with 560E I'm planning to sign up for Mindspring's recently announced DSL service, which requires that I have either a USB port (no such luck on my 560E) or a "10 BASE-T Ethernet Network Interface Card (NIC)" available. I guess I'm in the market for the latter. I suppose I can also use it in some of the hotels which have recently added high-speed access; I stayed in one recently which required an Ethernet card. I won't be using the Ethernet card for any other purpose. Any recommendations would be appreciated. Ken Rosenblatt From cph Fri Apr 14 14:03:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20598 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:03:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24478; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:02:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24325; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24194; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:02:10 -0400 Received: from lorie ([199.179.167.103]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20000414180158.JEJE2133.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@lorie>; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:01:58 -0500 Message-ID: <00f001bfa638$f8d2b0c0$1396f2cc@lorie.designcraft.com> From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "Kenneth Rosenblatt" , "Thinkpad mailing list" Subject: Re: Recommendation for Ethernet Network Interface Card to use with 560E Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:43:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: The 560 is not Cardbus, right? Make sure you get a 10mbps (16 bit) PCMCIA card. I recommend the 3COM "xjack" models because there is no dongle to: -break (they're typically fragile) -get unplugged from the card while using (network connections disconnect/reset, and in some cases/cards this requires reboot) -forget to bring along Good luck, Aaron Brown. P.S. to IBM: notebooks should be built with 10/100 ethernet built in. This might add $20.00 to production cost. IRQ shortage is the only issue. Please fix that too :) Ken Rosenblatt wrote: >I'm planning to sign up for Mindspring's recently announced DSL service, >which requires that I have either a USB port (no such luck on my 560E) >or a "10 BASE-T Ethernet Network Interface Card (NIC)" available. I >guess I'm in the market for the latter. > >(snipped) From cph Fri Apr 14 14:37:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20825 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:37:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27060; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:30:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26604; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26579; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:30:23 -0400 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp-171-69-70-176.cisco.com [171.69.70.176]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.8.8+Sun/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id LAA07144 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:30:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38F7636D.85BB7AAE@ricochet.net> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:29:01 -0700 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Recommendation for Ethernet Network Interface Card to use with 560E References: <00f001bfa638$f8d2b0c0$1396f2cc@lorie.designcraft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'd have to echo the previous opinions. Not only can the dongle get broken, but the RJ45 connector can break resulting in a cable that slips out of the ether hub, or kipple can get within the connector path between the dongle and the card resulting in something that looks like card failure. However, I would stick with a Type II card [thin] just because I like to plug other cards into my slots. Yes, you'll pay a premium, but believe me, it's worth it. /signed/ I hate to buy a "competitor's" product, but-- One broken dongle [pops out] One broken RJ45 [taped into hub now] One mysteriously failed $15.00 card [cruft in the connector path?] & Not Enough PCMCIA slots to go around ps. I agree 100% on having ethernet built-in. To me, it's more important than having an integral modem. "Aaron W. Brown" wrote: > The 560 is not Cardbus, right? Make sure you get a 10mbps (16 bit) > PCMCIA card. I recommend the 3COM "xjack" models because there > is no dongle to: > > -break (they're typically fragile) > -get unplugged from the card while using (network connections > disconnect/reset, > and in some cases/cards this requires reboot) > -forget to bring along > > Good luck, > Aaron Brown. > > P.S. to IBM: notebooks should be built with 10/100 ethernet built in. This > might > add $20.00 to production cost. IRQ shortage is the only issue. Please fix > that too :) > > Ken Rosenblatt wrote: > >I'm planning to sign up for Mindspring's recently announced DSL service, > >which requires that I have either a USB port (no such luck on my 560E) > >or a "10 BASE-T Ethernet Network Interface Card (NIC)" available. I > >guess I'm in the market for the latter. > > > >(snipped) From cph Fri Apr 14 14:38:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20829 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:38:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27231; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:37:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27030; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixon2.insource.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27010; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vixon2.insource.com (206.97.180.101 -> mx1.insource.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:36:56 -0400 Received: by mx1.insource.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <2GZTLJ9T>; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:35:58 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Black, David" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FW: Nameplates Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:35:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: My company has been standardized on ThinkPad's for several years. We solved the problem by dealing directly with IBM's vendor. When we hire a new employee, one of the details is to automatically order the nameplate from the vendor: All Star Engraving 1917 W. Copans Road Pompano Beach Fl. 33064 800-330-4809 Fax: 954-972-8836 The nameplates cost 5.50 each, but to us it's worth it to not have the frustration and delays -- plus, the company's service has always been prompt and good. Hope this helps, David Black ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard A. Bilancia" > To: > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 12:20 PM Subject: RE: Nameplates > On a more positive note, over the years I've had 4 ThinkPads and got the > nameplates for everyone (albeit one took almost 6 months). > > The latest was for my ThinkPad 600X that I purchased in January. The > nameplate arrived last week. > > Rich > --- > Richard A. Bilancia > "Adversity is the crucible in which greatness is forged." - Ken Baker > > > > From cph Fri Apr 14 14:40:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20850 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:40:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27598; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:40:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27445; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26975; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:36:16 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2inigsd.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.67.141]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA02025 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:36:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Subject: RE: Recommendation for Ethernet Network Interface Card to use with 560E Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:36:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <00f001bfa638$f8d2b0c0$1396f2cc@lorie.designcraft.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: IMHO, the x-jacks are too fragile. All you need to do is forget to push in the little connector and then put your laptop in a bag and your toast. Done it, so I know. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron W. Brown [mailto:aaron@designcraft.com] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 1:44 PM To: Kenneth Rosenblatt; Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: Recommendation for Ethernet Network Interface Card to use with 560E The 560 is not Cardbus, right? Make sure you get a 10mbps (16 bit) PCMCIA card. I recommend the 3COM "xjack" models because there is no dongle to: -break (they're typically fragile) -get unplugged from the card while using (network connections disconnect/reset, and in some cases/cards this requires reboot) -forget to bring along Good luck, Aaron Brown. P.S. to IBM: notebooks should be built with 10/100 ethernet built in. This might add $20.00 to production cost. IRQ shortage is the only issue. Please fix that too :) Ken Rosenblatt wrote: >I'm planning to sign up for Mindspring's recently announced DSL service, >which requires that I have either a USB port (no such luck on my 560E) >or a "10 BASE-T Ethernet Network Interface Card (NIC)" available. I >guess I'm in the market for the latter. > >(snipped) From cph Fri Apr 14 14:46:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20882 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:46:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28482; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:45:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28121; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0c.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28108; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0c.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.32 -> www0c.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:45:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 342 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2000 18:41:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000414184132.340.qmail@www0c.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.32 by www0c for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Fri Apr 14 18:41:32 GMT 2000 Date: 14 Apr 00 13:41:32 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Kenneth Rosenblatt , Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: Recommendation for Ethernet Network Interface Card to use with 560E X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA20883 Check out eBay. I was recently looking for a particular Xircom 10/100 card and found that there are just tons of 3Com, Xircom, etc. cards (10 and 10/100) available for $20-$40. Rob Kenneth Rosenblatt wrote: > I'm planning to sign up for Mindspring's recently announced DSL service, > which requires that I have either a USB port (no such luck on my 560E) > or a "10 BASE-T Ethernet Network Interface Card (NIC)" available. I > guess I'm in the market for the latter. I suppose I can also use it in > some of the hotels which have recently added high-speed access; I stayed > in one recently which required an Ethernet card. > > I won't be using the Ethernet card for any other purpose. Any > recommendations would be appreciated. > > > Ken Rosenblatt ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Fri Apr 14 14:47:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20894 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:47:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28832; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:46:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28618; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kitts.u.arizona.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28604; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kitts.u.arizona.edu (128.196.137.17 -> kitts.U.Arizona.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:46:51 -0400 Received: (from mcquaid@localhost) by kitts.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA48858 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:46:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:46:48 -0700 From: Mick McQuaid To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: 770X: HD Rotation Speed Message-ID: <20000414114647.A41760@U.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i List-Unsubscribe: Sorry if this is a FAQ but I can't seem to find the rotation speed for the 8.1G HD of the 770X nor for the 14.1G replacement disk. Can you tell me or point me to the appropriate archive? -- Mick McQuaid, mmcquaid@u.arizona.edu 520-621-4074 office / voice mail From cph Fri Apr 14 14:55:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA20959 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:55:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29735; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:54:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29592; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kitts.u.arizona.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29579; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kitts.u.arizona.edu (128.196.137.17 -> kitts.U.Arizona.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 14:54:17 -0400 Received: (from mcquaid@localhost) by kitts.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA46664 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:54:15 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 11:54:15 -0700 From: Mick McQuaid To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: Oops! 770X: HD Rotation Speed Message-ID: <20000414115414.A41354@U.Arizona.EDU> References: <20000414114647.A41760@U.Arizona.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20000414114647.A41760@U.Arizona.EDU>; from Mick McQuaid on Fri, Apr 14, 2000 at 11:46:48AM -0700 List-Unsubscribe: Oops! Sorry for wasted bandwidth. I found it at http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-44BU57.html and http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/TJEK-3TCJHY.html where both are listed as 4902RPM. ... regarding a message from Mick McQuaid on Apr 14: > Sorry if this is a FAQ but I can't seem to find the rotation > speed for the 8.1G HD of the 770X nor for the 14.1G > replacement disk. Can you tell me or point me to the > appropriate archive? > > -- > Mick McQuaid, mmcquaid@u.arizona.edu > 520-621-4074 office / voice mail -- Mick McQuaid, mmcquaid@u.arizona.edu 520-621-4074 office / voice mail From cph Fri Apr 14 15:44:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21325 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:44:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03579; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:42:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03328; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03315; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.74 -> falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:42:17 -0400 Received: from miles (sdn-ar-001njhackP299.dialsprint.net [168.191.59.165]) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA07260 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:42:00 -0700 (PDT) From: "David Newman" To: Subject: volume control bars on 600E Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:42:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I recently upgraded a TP600E (2645-8AU) to Windows 2000 and then rolled back to NT4W -- Sniffer Pro won't run on W2K : Using IBM's NT4 recovery disk worked fine. BUT I no longer have the volume control bars that pop up when I increase/decrease the sound. I've tried BIOS releases INET29WW and INET30WW, and neither solved the problem. I am pretty sure this feature is an IBM one, not something done by NT. Is there a button somewhere to enable/disable the volume bar display? Thanks in advance. dn From cph Fri Apr 14 15:49:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21362 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:49:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04284; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:48:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04110; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04097; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:48:45 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15281; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <38F77611.24A60591@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:48:33 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13-sls i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Newman CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: volume control bars on 600E References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The bars are by W2K. I triple boot W2K, W98, and Linux, and only W2K draws the bars. --Lee Hetherington From cph Fri Apr 14 16:47:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA21741 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:47:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10034; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:45:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09647; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09633; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:45:54 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA18862 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:45:51 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002f01bfa652$872bffc0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" References: <20000414184132.340.qmail@www0c.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: Recommendation for Ethernet Network Interface Card to use with 560E Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 10:46:36 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Since he will only use this at home, probably thinks like travelworthiness of the card are not critically important. SInce he will only use this for DSL - which while fast is not hugely taxing - the card's performance specs are not critically important. In his shoes I would go for the cheapest card out there. - David R. From cph Fri Apr 14 17:09:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA21940 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:09:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11766; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:08:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11673; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11659; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:08:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:08:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (jeffj1@localhost) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e3EL8sh27265 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:08:54 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:08:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Jackowski To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Nameplates In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000411194245.04a15ef0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 11 Apr 2000, David Goldman wrote: > At 06:51 PM 4/11/2000 , you wrote: > >IBM used to send you a nameplate for your machine when you register. Are > >they still doing this? > > > >I know my TP600 has an indentation on the bottom shaped to fit this > >nameplate. > > > >I would like to get a few these to give as gifts for a couple friends with > >Thinkpads and remember they also gave you a card for ordering more > >nameplates for a fee. Does anyone have a copy of this card they can send > >me? > > Don't hold your breath. My TP380Z (purchased new 11/98) came with a card > to be returned to IBM to receive the engraved nameplate. I sent it in > within days of the purchase and after 17 months, I'm still waiting for > mine to arrive. I waited a few months after I sent the little slip in to IBM after getting my 765D. Then I called up IBM support one night. I was told they had someone else doing it -- it did seem like another company. I was given their number and called this other bunch directly the next day. I got the name plate 2 weeks later. More than a month latter, I got the one I asked for on the little slip I mailed. I'm not sure who screwed up, but it seems that the bunch actually making the name plates can deliver them in a somewhat timely manner. I may still have some contact info on them at home. Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph Fri Apr 14 19:49:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA23091 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:49:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21757; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:48:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21598; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21584; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:47:58 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.199] (helo=139-142-112-199.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 12gFoa-0001DX-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:47:56 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Recommendation for Ethernet Network Interface Card to use with 560E Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 16:28:55 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <20000414184132.340.qmail@www0c.netaddress.usa.net> Lines: 31 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I have an IBM Home and Away Ethernet / 14.4 K combo card which I think typically goes for under $20. The ethernet works flawlessly. You can disable the modem. With the 701, I am unable to have this card running at the same time as the pcmcia modem because the butterfly keyboard gets in the way. However, under Win95a, the cards are hot-swappable. You don't have to "stop" them either. Just take out card, wait for beep, then insert other card, wait for second beep, and away you go. You have to wait longer for the ethernet to beep. With regard to connectors (dongles, X-Jacks etc) which slip out, there IS a greater danger. I took my 701 on holiday, forgot that I had the pcmcia modem cable connected across a doorway, walked through the doorway. The computer fell 3 feet onto a hard tile floor. "Luckily" it still works, but the fall did a number on the screen hinge so I now leave the thing open all the time. I am also in the market for a new 701 keyboard because of damage to that component in the fall. I would have welcomed a connector that came out easily at that moment. -- cheers Jonathan http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/hecate.htm Roads vs Rocks & Neighbourhoods https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=jberry%40islandnet.com From cph Fri Apr 14 20:29:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA23289 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:29:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23772; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:29:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23684; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23655; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (208.203.130.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:28:53 -0400 Received: from xpool90.acunet.net (xpool90.acunet.net [208.208.7.90]) by acunet.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id UAA22867 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004150028.UAA22867@acunet.net> From: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:26:18 -0500 Reply-To: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Can LCDs suffer from screen burn in? List-Unsubscribe: I've got a Thinkpad 770 running OS/2 Warp 4 and I've noticed recently what looks to be minor burn in of the LCD. I thought these displays were immune from burn in, but I'm clearly seeing the ghostly images of my default icon items in the Warp Center tray as I change trays. I also can see the Warp Center image if I hide the warp center. It looks just as it might if you left it burning into a CRT display. I'm only seeing this ghost image with Warp Center which inhabits the top of my screen. The regular Control Center is at the bottom my screen and I don't see ghost images of it if I hide the Center. This is most likely due to the settings I have chosen for both; Warp Center can not be covered by other windows while the Control Center can. Hence there is more "screen time" for the warp center. I did a high res screen capture of the display and did not see the ghost images, which fits in with it being display burn in and not a video issue. If this is screen burn in can someone provide a technical explanation? I understand how burn in occurs on CRTs, but honestly thought LCDs were immune to this problem. Thanks. Jeff From cph Fri Apr 14 20:37:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA23352 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:37:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24389; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:37:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24310; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24297; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (24.1.227.2 -> cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:36:57 -0400 Received: (from rutledge@localhost) by electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id RAA07813; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:36:35 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 17:36:34 -0700 From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" To: Jeffrey D Grinnell Cc: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Can LCDs suffer from screen burn in? Message-ID: <20000414173633.C5849@electron.kb7pwd.ampr.org> References: <200004150028.UAA22867@acunet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <200004150028.UAA22867@acunet.net>; from Jeffrey D Grinnell on Fri, Apr 14, 2000 at 08:26:18PM -0500 List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, Apr 14, 2000 at 08:26:18PM -0500, Jeffrey D Grinnell wrote: > I've got a Thinkpad 770 running OS/2 Warp 4 and I've noticed recently > what looks to be minor burn in of the LCD. I thought these displays > were immune from burn in, but I'm clearly seeing the ghostly images of Nope, not quite immune. It's less of a problem than with CRT's though. I imagine it's caused by a physical change occurring in the liquid crystal material. If kept "twisted" for a long period of time it develops a hysteresis or something like that. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 From cph Fri Apr 14 22:43:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA23891 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:43:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29472; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:42:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29275; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29262; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:42:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.12 -> harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:42:12 -0400 Received: from miles (ip50.an11-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.22.50]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA27610; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 19:42:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "David Newman" To: Cc: Subject: RE: volume control bars on 600E Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 22:42:08 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <38F77611.24A60591@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > The bars are by W2K. I triple boot W2K, W98, and Linux, and only W2K > draws the bars. Not my experience. I had the bars with NT4W but not with W2K and now not with NT4W again. Then again, I don't have the bars in Linux, so maybe it is something done by an NT or W2K driver. Any pointers to said driver/knob/registry hack much appreciated. dn From cph Fri Apr 14 23:39:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA24113 for ; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:39:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02079; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:38:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01988; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01975; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Apr 2000 23:38:51 -0400 Received: from pine.az.com (pine.az.com [216.145.8.251]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA08764; Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:40:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:17:11 -0700 (PDT) From: LightSide To: Kenneth Rosenblatt cc: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: Recommendation for Ethernet Network Interface Card to use with 560E In-Reply-To: <38F74A40.6A41F74@ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 14 Apr 2000, Kenneth Rosenblatt wrote: > I'm planning to sign up for Mindspring's recently announced DSL service, > which requires that I have either a USB port (no such luck on my 560E) > or a "10 BASE-T Ethernet Network Interface Card (NIC)" available. I > guess I'm in the market for the latter. I suppose I can also use it in > some of the hotels which have recently added high-speed access; I stayed > in one recently which required an Ethernet card. I don't have a recommendation, but more of an avoidance. As those who follow this list regularly know, I have had problems with my PCMCIA card. By the way 3com has treated me with my nic/modem combo card,I wouldn't (and won't) buy another one. Robert From cph Sat Apr 15 03:21:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA24701 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:21:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09716; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:20:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09609; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09596; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004150720.DAA09596@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:20:49 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-r124.otenet.gr [212.205.255.124]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2Z6RKAF8; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 02:20:22 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:20:46 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004141724.NAA02540@bean.epix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: 755CE - PC Card problems - OS2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id DAA09716 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA24702 On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 13:17:24 -0400, Julian Thomas wrote: >I'd never bothered with PC card stuff until now, since I never had >anything to plug into the slot. Now I have a digital camera with CF >memory and a PCMCIA adapter for the memory card. I installed the PCMCIA >stuff (which made a hash of config.sys and required that I revert from SIO >to COM.SYS) and it seems to be OK - no nasty messages from bootup, but >when I plug in the memory card, it correctly identifies it as a 64meg >memory card - disk - but also has a "not ready" symbol. Same thing >happens with another CF card, except the ID is all messed up. >When I installed, it seems to have backlevelled some of the stuff that >FP12 updated - maybe I should reapply the fixpack? What exactly did you install when you installed the PCMCIA card? I dont see why it doesn't work with SIO. All you should have installed is the PC Card Director version 4.12. It adds a bunch of drivers in the config.sys which ofcourse most people don't need and must rem'out. For example, PC Card Director installed the following: rem PC Card Director 4.12 (pcmcia support) BASEDEV=PCMCIA.SYS BASEDEV=IBM2SS14.SYS BASEDEV=AUTODRV2.SYS rem DEVICE=D:\THINKPAD\VPCMCIA.SYS rem DEVICE=D:\THINKPAD\PCMSSDIF.SYS rem DEVICE=D:\THINKPAD\PCM2SRAM.SYS rem DEVICE=D:\THINKPAD\FLSH2MTD.SYS rem DEVICE=D:\THINKPAD\PCM2FLSH.SYS rem BASEDEV=PCM2ATA.ADD /S:2 /!DM /NOBEEP rem BASEDEV=OS2PCARD.DMD DEVICE=D:\THINKPAD\$ICPMOS2.SYS /G As you can see i've rem'ed most of the drivers since they are for devices that i don't have. You have a memory card, so you should NOT rem out some of them! You'll have to play around and see which one is the one that you want. The ones that i haven't remed out are required so dont touch them. (for example the PCM2ATA and OS2PCARD are for harddrives etc) (VPCMCIA is for dos support, i use PROTECTONLY=YES so i dont need it) (the PCM2SRAM is for SRAM cards, and PCM2FLSH is for FLASH cards) Now go to the PC Card Director folder, and double click on "Auto Configuration Utility" which should give you two lists of pcmcia cards. Remove the default ones which are for modems only. See if you can find your own in the list, if it exists add it. I hope this helps. PS: make sure all these drivers are at the bottom of the config.sys to avoid any conflicts,maybe that could solve the prolem with SIO. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Apr 15 03:25:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA24712 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:25:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10202; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:25:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10109; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10094; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004150725.DAA10094@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:25:27 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-r124.otenet.gr [212.205.255.124]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2Z6RKAGA; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 02:25:03 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:25:27 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: volume control bars on 600E List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id DAA10202 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA24713 On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:42:00 -0700, David Newman wrote: >Using IBM's NT4 recovery disk worked fine. BUT I no longer have the volume >control bars that pop up when I increase/decrease the sound. I've tried BIOS >releases INET29WW and INET30WW, and neither solved the problem. I am pretty >sure this feature is an IBM one, not something done by NT. >Is there a button somewhere to enable/disable the volume bar display? The volume bar comes with the latest VIDEO drivers, and most possibly the recovery CD doesn't have them, you'll need to go to ibm's website and get them. The updated drivers for win98 have the sound volume bar, but the default in the recovery CD don't. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Apr 15 03:26:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA24716 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:26:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10391; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:25:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10299; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10285; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004150725.DAA10285@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:25:52 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-r124.otenet.gr [212.205.255.124]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2Z6RKAGC; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 02:25:29 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:25:52 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <38F77611.24A60591@sls.lcs.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: volume control bars on 600E List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id DAA10391 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA24717 On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 15:48:33 -0400, I Lee Hetherington wrote: >The bars are by W2K. I triple boot W2K, W98, and Linux, and only W2K >draws the bars. You'll have to upgrade to the latest version of the display drivers for win98. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Apr 15 03:28:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA24726 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:28:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11045; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:28:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10961; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10932; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004150728.DAA10932@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:28:35 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-r124.otenet.gr [212.205.255.124]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 2Z6RKAGG; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 02:28:11 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:28:35 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004150028.UAA22867@acunet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Can LCDs suffer from screen burn in? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id DAA11045 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA24727 On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 20:26:18 -0500, Jeffrey D Grinnell wrote: >I've got a Thinkpad 770 running OS/2 Warp 4 and I've noticed recently >what looks to be minor burn in of the LCD. I thought these displays >were immune from burn in, but I'm clearly seeing the ghostly images of >my default icon items in the Warp Center tray as I change trays. Have you tryed to enable the lockup feature so that when you dont use your machine it will blank the screen? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Apr 15 03:32:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA24741 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:32:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11719; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:32:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11610; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pc236.loxinfo.co.th (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA11596; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pc236.loxinfo.co.th (203.146.30.236 -> pc236.loxinfo.co.th) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 03:32:33 -0400 Received: from TP600E (p7-pktHS2.S.loxinfo.net.th [203.146.23.87]) by pc236.loxinfo.co.th (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA19234 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 14:32:09 +0700 Message-Id: <200004150732.OAA19234@pc236.loxinfo.co.th> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 09:18:23 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200004141724.NAA02540@bean.epix.net> Subject: Re: 755CE - PC Card problems - OS2 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.09c c09c List-Unsubscribe: I have a similar setup (PCMCIA adapter for SmartMedia cards). It took me some time to get it to find the right combination and the right order for the drivers, but it now works fine. You may find the following URL of help: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/uguide/600/c79ehm24.htm Fyi, I'm using the SIO drivers and they didn't interfere in the PCMCIA setup in any way. One thing you should be aware of is that you have to "mount" the drive before you're able to access it. This is done with the Mount Utility (ATAMNT2.EXE) that should be found in the PC Card Director folder. But since you have the "not ready" symbol, you may not be able to mount the drive. I can send you a copy of the critical CONFIG.SYS statements that work for me, if you want. Dominique On Fri, 14 Apr 2000 at 01:17 PM you, "Julian Thomas" , said: >I have a 755CE that I recently updated to warp 4 with FP 12, and I've >installed the thinkpad stuff from the thinkpad web site. >I'd never bothered with PC card stuff until now, since I never had >anything to plug into the slot. Now I have a digital camera with CF >memory and a PCMCIA adapter for the memory card. I installed the PCMCIA >stuff (which made a hash of config.sys and required that I revert from >SIO to COM.SYS) and it seems to be OK - no nasty messages from bootup, >but when I plug in the memory card, it correctly identifies it as a 64meg >memory card - disk - but also has a "not ready" symbol. Same thing >happens with another CF card, except the ID is all messed up. >When I installed, it seems to have backlevelled some of the stuff that >FP12 updated - maybe I should reapply the fixpack? >Any other ideas? From cph Sat Apr 15 11:11:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA26060 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:11:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00926; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:11:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:09:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00580; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00565; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:09:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (207.115.153.22 -> smtppop3.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:09:39 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop3.gte.net with SMTP for ; id KAA14997663 Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:09:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004151509.KAA14997663@smtppop3.gte.net> To: "Thinkpad mailing list" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:09:38 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: Recommendation for Ethernet Network Interface Card to use with 560E List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "Aaron W. Brown" Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:43:39 -0500 > The 560 is not Cardbus, right? Make sure you get a 10mbps (16 bit) > PCMCIA card. I have a 16-bit Intel 10/100 PC card. Works fine here. IOW, a 32-bit slot is not a prerequisite for 100 mb/s speed. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/15/00, 10:09:36 From cph Sat Apr 15 11:24:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA26080 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:24:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01609; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:22:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01470; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01457; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:22:33 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-26.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.26]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA19448 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000415112252.012f68c0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:22:52 -0700 To: "Thinkpad mailing list" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Recommendation for Ethernet Network Interface Card to use with 560E In-Reply-To: <200004151509.KAA14997663@smtppop3.gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:09 AM 04/15/2000, m.o.davis@gte.net wrote: >** Reply to note from "Aaron W. Brown" Fri, 14 Apr 2000 12:43:39 -0500 > > >> The 560 is not Cardbus, right? Make sure you get a 10mbps (16 bit) >> PCMCIA card. > >I have a 16-bit Intel 10/100 PC card. Works fine here. IOW, a 32-bit slot is >not a prerequisite for 100 mb/s speed. If you have a cardbus capable machine (32-bit PCI spec for mobile machines) and your network needs are 100mb/sec (100megabits per second = 12.5megabytes per second), then go with 32-bit. The PCMCIA (PC Card) 16-bit spec is based on the ISA spec and maxes out @ 16Mbytes/sec transfer rate (8mhz @ 2bytes), with clock cycling issues, actually provides performance that tops out around 8Mbytes/sec and can be lower than that in many instances. With a 16-bit PC Card, you will be limiting yourself in the maximum bandwidth you can receive from your connect. The 32-bit Cardbus PCI spec offers up to 132Mbytes/sec transfer rate (33mhz @ 4bytes). If any mobile user is going to use high bandwidth devices (Network, SCSI, etc..) and can, definitely use cardbus devices. If your system only supports 16-bit PC Card devices, well, it's better than nothing but expect a potential performance hit. 10 megabits per second = 1.25Mbytes/sec, so 16-bit PC Card spec can handle it fairly easily. The same applies to modems. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Sat Apr 15 12:55:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26396 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:55:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06039; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:52:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05825; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05812; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:52:45 -0400 Received: from tp1721 (user-33qt863.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.160.195]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA23511; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 12:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00d601bfa6fa$e5bbfb00$c3a0aec7@tp1721> From: "Chuck S." To: , "Eugene Iwasa" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Suggestions on backing up system (repost) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 11:51:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id MAA06039 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA26397 Hi Eugene, As an IT professional for 25 years, a backup has always been a "tape-backup". But I am intrigued by the disk-to-disk and disk-to-CD suggestions. Laptops aren't UNIX servers, so there is no reason to expect they should be backed-up the same way. But if my gray hairs have taught me anything, it's I want to be to the right of Patrick Buchanan on this issue. This is no time to be innovative. I want the simplest, most reliable solution - a single purpose tape backup device. I bought a Iomega 10 MB (5 uncompressed) parallel port Dittomax just before Iomega's tape backup division was bought out by Tecmar. It's surprisingly fast, and the backup software is very good. I paid $110 for the unit - the tapes are about $30. Because it's an external device, it's portable and can be used on other systems. Tecmar now sells the unit under their label. If you are willing to spend a few more bucks, www.Onstream.com has the best price/performance tape backup devices. I'm using model DI30 EIDE 30 GB compressed internal drive on an Athlon 550 w/ 20 GB 7200 RPM hard disk. Backup throughput is between 45-60 MB per minute, and the included backup software is excellent. For example, the software maintains a database wich allows you to recover a single file or your entire system to a particular point-in-time. This feature can be very useful for "check-pointing" your system after you install new software. I make a fast differential backup before and after installing software. Then, if there is a problem, I can restore the system to just before or after the software was installed by entering the time & date to rollback to. Tape backup devices usually include good backup software or can be used with good 3rd party backup software. Disk-to-disk and disk-to-CD fall short. Street price for the Onstream EIDE unit is about $240, tapes are $30. I highly recommend this product. Onstream also makes an external USB and a parallel port version that can be used with laptops and desktops, but these cost more and are not as fast. You'll sleep better if you get a tape backup device. Pleasant dreams, Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Eugene Iwasa" Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Suggestions on backing up system (repost) I have a Plextor 8/20 CD writer (with Adapec PCMCIA SCSI) which let you create image backups from your system. It will create BOOTABLE CD-ROM images for restoring. Works with FAT16/FAT32/NTFS/HPFS and Linux drives. During restore you even can re-size the partition. Works fine in our workgroup for everyone. (We are using it on Thinkpad 760CD, 810M 2.1G 3G, 5.1G, 8G 14.1G on Thinkpad 770 series) Geza Geza Szivos mailto:Geza.Szivos@SIVCO.com System Analyst/eDBA Certified VisualAge for C++ Object Oriented Developer, Certified WebSphere, DB2 and VisualAge Java Associate Developer, VisualWarehouse Specialist, Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, Certified Warp Server Engineer SIVCO Inc. «Calgary, AB» «Buffalo, NY» «Olympia, WA» Visit our web page http://www.sivco.com Head office: 118 Arbour Summit Close NW Calgary, Alberta Canada T3G 3W2 Toll Free Call: (877) 700-2600 Toll Free Fax: (877) 547-4741 In Calgary call (403) 208-2600 Cellular (360) 481-2828 "Eugene Iwasa" tmail.com> cc: Subject: Suggestions on backing up system (repost) 04/12/00 09:39 PM Please respond to "Eugene Iwasa" I'm reposting this since it didn't get mailed back to me as part of the Thinkpad list. I recently purchased a 240 that I'm having serviced for a faulty modem. When I get it back, I'd like to back up the entire system so that I can restore the laptop without using IBM's recovery diskette/CD (my Addonics CD-RW will not work with the IBM recovery software). Can people suggest some options for backing up the entire laptop (6.4 GB)? I've been looking mainly at tape drives, and I'm also wondering if networking my laptop to my desktop for backing up data would be a good solution. I also wonder is it possible to back up my entire system with the CD-RW I already own? I searched through the help section of the Adaptec software that came with the CD-RW, but there is no mention of backing up an entire system, only backing up data that would fit onto a single disk. Any input would be appreciated. Eugene P.S. Thanks to Benjamin Koh and Steve C. for their replies to my recent inquiry on creating a DOS boot diskette. BTW, if anybody owns an Addonics CD-RW and would like a DOS bootup diskette, write me. From cph Sat Apr 15 16:32:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA27525 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:32:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15925; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:30:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15599; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15586; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:30:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.12 -> harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:30:17 -0400 Received: from miles (ip162.an11-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.22.162]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA17813 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 13:30:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "David Newman" To: Subject: RE: volume control bars on 600E Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 16:30:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200004150725.DAA10094@cs.utk.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > > The volume bar comes with the latest VIDEO drivers, and most possibly thanks to all who repsonded. the bars didn't come up when I loaded new video drivers, but then I loaded the lastest config utility and -- presto! audio display bars. the config utils readme refers to these as an "on-screen display." dn From cph Sat Apr 15 20:24:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA28385 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:24:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26694; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:23:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26540; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from qmail.cableregina.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26524; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from qmail.cableregina.com (204.83.142.82 -> qmail.cableregina.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 20:23:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 12614 invoked from network); 16 Apr 2000 00:23:32 -0000 Received: from ip115.net247217.cr.sk.ca (HELO lords.com) (24.72.17.115) by qmail.cableregina.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2000 00:23:32 -0000 Message-ID: <38F90805.6D8382D8@lords.com> Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 18:23:33 -0600 From: krymm Reply-To: krymm@lords.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: cmos start-up screen for IBM thinkpad 760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I need to bypass the cmos start-up screen on an IBM thinkpad 760, can anyone help me out?? From cph Sat Apr 15 21:33:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA28651 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:33:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29474; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:32:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29327; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:32:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29314; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.32 -> smtp.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:31:59 -0400 Received: from s3212.south-green.ohiou.edu (HELO daveb) (132.235.155.212) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Apr 2000 18:31:57 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Dave B." To: Subject: RE: cmos start-up screen for IBM thinkpad 760 Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:31:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <38F90805.6D8382D8@lords.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: You can turn off the graphical "IBM ThinkPad" logo using the DOS-mode PS2.exe program that should be installed as part of the Windows ThinkPad utilities. At a command prompt in the folder where PS2.exe is located, type: "ps2 start disable" Don't type the quotes, of course. This is a useful utility with a ton of options. Type "ps2 ?" for a list. I like "ps2 turn off" :-) Hope that's what you were talking about and that this helped. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: krymm [mailto:krymm@lords.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 08:24 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: cmos start-up screen for IBM thinkpad 760 > > > Hi, I need to bypass the cmos start-up screen on an IBM thinkpad 760, > can anyone help me out?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Sun Apr 16 00:55:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA02174 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:55:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08351; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:54:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08132; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:54:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muse.calarts.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08117; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muse.calarts.edu (156.3.140.68 -> muse.calarts.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:54:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (knowlton@localhost) by muse.calarts.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id VAA00178 for ; Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:55:16 -0700 From: Jeff Knowlton To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: OS/2 on 730t In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000415112252.012f68c0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I was wanting to install OS/2 on my 730t and am facing a few problems. 1. No OS loaded on the hard drive. 2. My OS is on CDROM and while I have the floppy drive I don't have a CDROM drive. I was told that I should be able to install off a CDROM installed on the parallel port. Will this work? I thought I had read that the removable hard drives for this machine were treated as IDE drives. Can I install from a PCMCIA CDROM, or is it a chicken and egg situation because the machine doesn't have the PCMCIA drivers loaded? I'll be installing OS/2 warp 3 on the 486/33mhz model. Any help will be appreciated. thanks jeff knowlton From cph Sun Apr 16 04:08:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA02741 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:08:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17794; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:07:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17545; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:07:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17531; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:07:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004160807.EAA17531@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:07:06 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-j219.otenet.gr [212.205.245.219]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 20ZFN374; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 03:06:44 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 17:09:10 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: sound List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id EAA17794 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA02742 I'm using a ThinkPad 600E under OS/2 (both Warp4 and WSeB) and apparently i'm having a lot of problems with the sound, which its the cause of traps when i'm also using the modem. It seems the sound chipset is from Crystal (SoundFusion CS4610/11), and i've been using the sound drivers that IBM offers in their website (Version 2.07 January 28, 1998) has anyone had similar problems? Which drivers do you use? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Apr 16 04:16:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA02763 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:16:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18610; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:16:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18516; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from meddle.altered.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18469; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004160816.EAA18469@cs.utk.edu> Received: from meddle.altered.com (38.216.12.2 -> altered.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 04:16:39 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-j219.otenet.gr [212.205.245.219]) by meddle.altered.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id 20ZFN37Y; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 03:16:20 -0500 From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 11:16:39 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: OS/2 on 730t List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id EAA18610 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA02764 On Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:55:16 -0700, Jeff Knowlton wrote: >I was wanting to install OS/2 on my 730t and am facing a few problems. >1. No OS loaded on the hard drive. >2. My OS is on CDROM and while I have the floppy drive I don't have a >CDROM drive. Can this machine connect to a network? Since you can install OS/2 over a network in a very easy way.. although you require another OS/2 system on the same network. >I was told that I should be able to install off a CDROM installed on the >parallel port. Will this work? never tryed it... >I thought I had read that the removable hard drives for this machine >were treated as IDE drives. Can I install from a PCMCIA CDROM, or is it >a chicken and egg situation because the machine doesn't have the PCMCIA >drivers loaded? I don't see why pcmcia wouldn't work, since the drivers for the pcmcia can be loaded from the config.sys of the Installation Disk 1. >I'll be installing OS/2 warp 3 on the 486/33mhz model. You can try mshell which is a light-weight GUI replacement for the WPS, which has very low requirements and will work nicely on a 486. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Apr 16 06:07:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA03017 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 06:06:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27018; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 06:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 06:06:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26854; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 06:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26841; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 06:06:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 06:06:10 -0400 Received: from 207-172-216-134.s134.tnt1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.216.134] helo=pentium) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12glve-0007cr-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 06:05:23 -0400 Message-ID: <036001bfa78b$6242c920$a8f7a4d8@pentium> From: "John Premack" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 23:17:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_035B_01BFA730.B4273380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_035B_01BFA730.B4273380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_000_035B_01BFA730.B4273380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
------=_NextPart_000_035B_01BFA730.B4273380-- From cph Sun Apr 16 09:29:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA12860 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:29:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02307; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:28:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02120; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02107; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.1.7 -> wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:28:41 -0400 Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.2.12]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/uniwue-MM-1.01) with ESMTP id PAA14470 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:28:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.47); 16 Apr 00 15:28:38 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.47); 16 Apr 00 15:28:24 +0200 Received: from mail.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.94) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.47); 16 Apr 00 15:28:10 +0200 Received: from babylon5 (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2] ) by mail.stelarcom.de (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:03:54 -0100 Message-Id: <200004161303.5437541.6@mail.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:03:44 +0200 (MST) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <200004160816.EAA18469@cs.utk.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS/2 on 730t List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 16 Apr 2000 11:16:39 +0100 (BST), sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: Hi! >Can this machine connect to a network? Since you can install OS/2 over >a network in a very easy way.. although you require another OS/2 system >on the same network. This is only an option for WarpConnect and up. Not for Warp 3 as he tries to install. It would be the easiest way though. >>I'll be installing OS/2 warp 3 on the 486/33mhz model. > >You can try mshell which is a light-weight GUI replacement for the WPS, which >has very low requirements and will work nicely on a 486. Well, MShell is an option, even better would probably be ProgrammCommander (very nice!) or FileBar. But normally on Warp3 you can run the WPS without trouble on a 486/33 especially on Warp3 "without anything". More or less a matter of memory. I wouldn't run the WPS below 8MB. (And I wouldn't try to run StarOffice (any versin) on the 486/33.) But frankly the WPS is _the_ reason to run OS/2, isn't it? ;) -- CU/2 (( In the beginning was The Word. Alexander Wagner )) And The Word was Content-type: text/plain Team OS/2 Franken (( -=[ Team OS/2 Germany #294 ]=- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or A.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for replies, even if some other addresses may appear. Thanks! --> Get my PGP-key with Subject: Request for PGP-Keys <-- From cph Sun Apr 16 10:03:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA12972 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:03:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03691; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:03:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03615; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03602; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:03:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (207.115.153.20 -> smtppop1.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:03:40 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop1.gte.net with SMTP ; id JAA14282147 Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:02:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004161402.JAA14282147@smtppop1.gte.net> To: Jeff Knowlton , Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 09:03:37 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: OS/2 on 730t List-Unsubscribe: Addressed to: Jeff Knowlton Thinkpad List ** Reply to note from Jeff Knowlton Sat, 15 Apr 2000 21:55:16 -0700 > I was told that I should be able to install off a CDROM installed on the > parallel port. Will this work? I have installed Warp 3 from a CD drive connected to a parallel to SCSI adapter. Be sure you put the device driver for the drive in the CONFIG.SYS file on the installation floppies and put SET COPYFROMFLOPPY=1 at the top of the CONFIG.SYS or your driver won't be loaded onto the hard disk and you won't be able to access the CD drive during the second phase of the installation. > I thought I had read that the removable hard drives for this machine > were treated as IDE drives. Can I install from a PCMCIA CDROM, or is it > a chicken and egg situation because the machine doesn't have the PCMCIA > drivers loaded? You would need to load your PCMCIA drivers from the installation diskettes. There was a great article on how to do this on the defunct Warped Thinkpad web site. Check out the Notebook/2 site at http://www.os2ss.com/users/DrMartinus/notebook.htm. He may have some info there you can adapt to the 730t. Unfortunately, www.os2ss.com seems to be down this morning. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/16/00, 09:03:35 From cph Sun Apr 16 10:51:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA13085 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:51:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05798; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:50:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05588; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05575; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:50:39 -0400 Received: from 209-122-203-1.s255.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.203.1] helo=localhost.localdomain) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12gqMx-0005Xj-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:49:52 -0400 From: Rusty Lingenfelter Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:49:42 GMT Message-ID: <20000416.15494200@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Cardbus Support To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; StarOffice/5.1; Linux) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA13086 I am in the market for another Thinkpad (can you imagine :>) ). I am going to buy a P133/P166 model, but I want to make sure that PCMCIA supports Cardbus so that I can put in a PCMCIA USB port if necessary. Any input appreciated. Thanks. Rusty From cph Sun Apr 16 13:45:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13646 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:45:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12546; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:44:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12325; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12312; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaab.compuserve.com (149.174.206.135 -> ds-img-2.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:44:18 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id NAA21922 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 13:43:57 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Thoughts on 390 400Mhz...? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200004161344_MC2-A16C-97C1@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA13647 In UK IBM have a special promo deal on a 390 Tpad 400Mhz Celeron 64Mb 4.8Gb 12.1 TFT etc for ukpounds 1290.00 inc taxes ~$2051.00 If I sell my existing bits and bobs accumulated for my current Tpad, it will cost me about 600.00 in new investment which seems quite attractive for a new IBM machine. I have been struggling on with my 755CX P75 for a while and my MP3 fascination is being hampered now...! However, I really wanted to see what machines would come through with at least 4Mb SGRAM... pref 8Mb. It seems that 2.5Mb is standard for the last crop (inc Sony even though ease of video editing is a usp!).. I assume the 390 is on its way out too then? Comments from any 390 owners past/present... Thanks Mark From cph Sun Apr 16 14:32:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA13819 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:32:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14691; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:32:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14586; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web207.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14573; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web207.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.107 -> web207.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:32:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 10954 invoked by uid 60001); 16 Apr 2000 18:32:02 -0000 Message-ID: <20000416183202.10953.qmail@web207.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.204.72.179] by web207.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 11:32:02 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 11:32:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Pencetera Reply-To: pencetera@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Cardbus Support To: Rusty Lingenfelter , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Not sure how much you have to spend but it might be a better choice to get a 1st generation 770. I have one, 233Mhz MMX and it has usb built in. I see them go around the $750 (13.3", 32Mb, 4Gb, CD) up to $1000 (14.1", 64Mb, 5.1Gb, DVD) on ebay. Mine has the 13.3" (meaning it didn't come equipped with the mpeg decoder card) TFT screen and 128Mb of ram. I paid $800. --- Rusty Lingenfelter wrote: > I am in the market for another Thinkpad (can you > imagine :>) ). I am > going to buy a P133/P166 model, but I want to make > sure that PCMCIA > supports Cardbus so that I can put in a PCMCIA USB > port if necessary. > Any input appreciated. Thanks. > > Rusty > > > > ===== http://www.pencetera.com - Your Source For Inexpensive, High Quality Writing Instruments __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From cph Sun Apr 16 15:32:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14171 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:32:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17665; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:31:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17461; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grove.iup.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17447; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grove.iup.edu (144.80.128.6 -> maple.grove.iup.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:31:15 -0400 Received: from grove.iup.edu by grove.iup.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #30978) id <01JOB3UJ6UWW8WW7GS@grove.iup.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:30:57 EDT Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:24:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark J Strawcutter Subject: 755CD power connector To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01JOB4AVJMJS8WW7GS@grove.iup.edu> Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Bound to happen sooner or later - the power connector on my trusty 755CD got bumped the wrong way and broke. At the end of the cord is a 2in x 0.5in x 0.5in "terminator" with two contacts in one end in a square female socket. Into that snaps a male-mail dual ended adaper plug - this is the piece that has broken. An autopsy reveals that end that mates with the thinkpad has 4 contacts. On is unused, another is connected to one of the power supply leads, the other two are connected/jumpered to the remaining power supply lead. Probably too much to ask, but is this small part available by itself? If so, what's a good source? Or do I need to spring for an entire new power supply? ---------- Mark J Strawcutter Email: mjstraw@grove.iup.edu Technology Services Center Voice: (724) 357-4007 Indiana University of Pennsylvania From cph Sun Apr 16 15:39:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14199 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:39:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18156; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:39:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:39:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18076; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grove.iup.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18057; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grove.iup.edu (144.80.128.6 -> maple.grove.iup.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:39:24 -0400 Received: from grove.iup.edu by grove.iup.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #30978) id <01JOB4J4WA0G8WW7GS@grove.iup.edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:39:13 EDT Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:37:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark J Strawcutter Subject: Re: 755CD power connector In-reply-to: "Your message dated Sun, 16 Apr 2000 15:24:19 -0400 (EDT)" <01JOB4AVJMJS8WW7GS@grove.iup.edu> To: Mark J Strawcutter Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <01JOB4L4LEJQ8WW7GS@grove.iup.edu> Organization: Indiana University of Pennsylvania MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: >Bound to happen sooner or later - the power connector on my trusty 755CD >got bumped the wrong way and broke. ... Forgot to mention - AC Adapter is P/N 85G6670 FRU P/N 85G4952 ---------- Mark J Strawcutter Email: mjstraw@grove.iup.edu Technology Services Center Voice: (724) 357-4007 Indiana University of Pennsylvania From cph Sun Apr 16 16:25:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA14397 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:25:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20484; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:25:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20396; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20380; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:25:12 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jax9-199.leading.net [216.199.5.199]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA08357 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38FA4ACE.5D9E@southeast.net> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 16:20:46 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Needed: Adapter for TP 755c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I am still looking for an adapter for my IBM Thinkpad 755c laptop computer. I had worked out a deal with Glenn Tranter but, he decided not to send the adapter even though I sent money. I was taken on that one. So, if anyone has an adapter for a good price, please let me know!! I am in the U.S. Thanks you all. Jimmy -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Sun Apr 16 17:54:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA14638 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:54:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24308; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:52:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24085; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muse.calarts.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24071; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from muse.calarts.edu (156.3.140.68 -> muse.calarts.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:52:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (knowlton@localhost) by muse.calarts.edu (980427.SGI.8.8.8/980728.SGI.AUTOCF) via ESMTP id OAA29862 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:53:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 14:53:35 -0700 From: Jeff Knowlton To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: OS/2 on 730t Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to all for the many insightful suggestions and installation tips. I should have mentioned that this is my only intel based machine so installing from another machine is out. I will probably try the parallel to SCSI connector first. I have an SGI, a NeXTStation, and a Mac that dual boots Linux so I'm swimming in SCSI devices. I'm sure I'll run into some hiccups along the way, so you may get another plea for help. Until then... Thanks again jeff knowlton From cph Sun Apr 16 18:11:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA14681 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:11:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25236; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:10:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25133; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uni02mr.unity.ncsu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25120; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uni02mr.unity.ncsu.edu (152.1.1.165 -> uni02mr.unity.ncsu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:10:57 -0400 Received: from unity.ncsu.edu (amgoldst@Sull-03-164.rh.ncsu.edu [152.7.59.164]) by uni02mr.unity.ncsu.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/UR01Feb99) with ESMTP id SAA07702 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Sender: amgoldst@unity.ncsu.edu Message-ID: <38FA3A71.661E88A6@unity.ncsu.edu> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:10:57 -0400 From: andy goldstein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Which model should I buy? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I'm looking to spend between $500 and $1000 for an older Thinkpad which I will use primarily for word processing when I am not using my main desktop machine. I have found a refurbished i1412 that is just out of my price range ($1050) but looking at the specs it seems really good. Is this a good model in terms of everyday useability, viewing the screen, typing on it, etc? I am also considering the 760 and 770 series, but I am interested in running Linux and have read that the MWave sound card/modem is a pain to use in anything but Windows. (I don't really care about the modem, but sound is a definite plus.) Speed isn't really an issue, since I basically need to be able to use Microsoft Word or the equivalent. Does anyone have any suggestions about which models are good and which ones to avoid? I'd appreciate any input on the subject. Thanks, Andy Goldstein amgoldst@unity.ncsu.edu From cph Sun Apr 16 19:42:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA15190 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:42:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01964; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:42:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01580; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01548; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:42:03 -0400 Received: from 216-164-133-193.s193.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.133.193] helo=num106) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12gyg1-0002XV-00; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:42:06 -0400 X-Sender: ricker@pop.erols.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Andrew Webber" From: ricker@erols.com (Rick Rodman) Subject: Re: Palm sync (?) problem Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 19:42:06 -0400 List-Unsubscribe: >Since we're talking about Palms right now, I'm having a problem >with mine and am not sure how best to solve it. > >Configuration: >TP600 >Palm Vx >serial connection >Lotus Organizer v6 >HotSync (built in to Organizer) > >It worked fine until recently, but the sync'ing stops at the >contact list. The Palm shows a "Fatal Error" and I think I have to >use the button on the back to reset. I've discovered that after >doing that, when I start the Palm and hit the "contacts" button >(telephone), I get a Fatal Error and have to reboot, so I don't >think it's the sync'ing that's the problem. Might have caused it >though. > >The only solution I can find from the manual is to do a Hard Reset. > Don't think I'll lose much from the Palm but that's all I can >think of. If I do that, do I have to do something with the Palm >Desktop, or can I go straight to Lotus? The manual only talks >about PD. > >Thanks! I was having frequent lockups of my Palm III which required paperclip reset and lost all data, until I realized that it always happened after I had sync'd with two different computers. Since I started syncing with one computer only, those problems have disappeared. The problem has to be attributed to a software bug in the PalmOS inside the device. The PalmOS software is **extremely** sensitive to data inconsistencies in the data files, which the sync process transfers between machines with almost no checking. You may have some kind of small error in the data files on the PC, in which case you may never be able to recover the data. Around 1/1/2000, a sync process changed the due date of a bunch of my to-do items from blank to 1/1/32 (32 AD). I had to very carefully change the dates one at a time in Palm Desktop. Doing the wrong thing caused Palm Desktop to crash with a GPF. Because Palm Desktop doesn't save to disk until you exit, I lost several changes as a result. It's a shame software quality is so poor these days. I thought object-oriented programming was supposed to lead to greater reliability. Instead, it seems to have lead to greater fragility. As a programmer for over twenty years, some of my principles are: Any GPF in an application is inexcusable. All data coming from any external source must be considered garbage until proven otherwise. Rick Rodman (ricker@erols.com) From cph Sun Apr 16 20:09:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA15330 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:09:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09405; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:09:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09299; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09286; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.192 -> web124.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:09:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 1246 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Apr 2000 00:09:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000417000905.1245.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.112.59] by web124.yahoomail.com; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:09:05 PDT Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 17:09:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Which model should I buy? To: andy goldstein Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I have a 760 and can't really recommend it. The keyboard feel is not too good and it's been replaced once already because the keys stick. Also, the standard screen is not very clear or bright, not nearly as good as a 700C but they are fairly cheap. --- andy goldstein wrote: > Hi, I'm looking to spend between $500 and $1000 for > an older Thinkpad I am also considering the 760 and > 770 series. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From cph Sun Apr 16 20:36:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA15388 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:36:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13735; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:35:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13622; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13609; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:35:49 -0400 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.28) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 16 Apr 2000 20:32:41 -0400 Message-ID: <019001bfa805$0923b0a0$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" Cc: References: <20000417000905.1245.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Which model should I buy? Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:36:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Personally I very much favor my 760ED. I can't say that I would enjoy having one of the lower-scale models, because the XGA(1024x768) screen is hard to find in this processor line(133Mhz). I'v had no problems with keys sticking or the likes and the reclining KB makes it very comfortable to type. I find the screen to be very crisp and clear on the TFT model; the model was not mentioned on the article below...I picked up my 760ED(2.1G, 32mb) for $560 a good 6-7months ago. Just my $.05, and as you can see opinions varry-doesn't make it a cut and dry good/bad system... -Jamie I have a 760 and can't really recommend it. The keyboard feel is not too good and it's been replaced once already because the keys stick. Also, the standard screen is not very clear or bright, not nearly as good as a 700C but they are fairly cheap. From cph Sun Apr 16 20:59:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA15437 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:59:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20638; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:59:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:59:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20442; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20412; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:58:59 -0400 Received: from ix.netcom.com (user-38lcf4o.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.60.152]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA24412; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 20:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <38F9C845.A434533A@ix.netcom.com> Date: Sun, 16 Apr 2000 10:03:50 -0400 From: Allan Ballard X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (OS/2; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steve C." CC: andy goldstein , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Which model should I buy? References: <20000417000905.1245.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a 760CD and a 760XL. Not unhappy with either so far. Win2000 may change all that, if my office goes to it and I should need more power to push the increased bloatware. In the 760 line, I would prefer the 760XD so as to gain all the built in ports. But if entry level 770's are going for about the same as end of the line 760's, well, methinks I would think long and hard about options, cpu, etc. Personally I don't like size of the 770's, but do appreciate their increased power. "Steve C." wrote: > I have a 760 and can't really recommend it. The > keyboard feel is not too good and it's been replaced > once already because the keys stick. Also, the > standard screen is not very clear or bright, not > nearly as good as a 700C but they are fairly cheap. > > --- andy goldstein wrote: > > Hi, I'm looking to spend between $500 and $1000 for > > an older Thinkpad I am also considering the 760 and > > 770 series. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com From cph Sun Apr 16 22:35:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA15751 for ; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:35:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25613; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:34:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25463; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25450; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europa.veggie.com (24.4.167.204 -> c7183-a.iowact1.ia.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Apr 2000 22:34:20 -0400 Received: (from bonak@localhost) by europa.veggie.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA01356; Sun, 16 Apr 2000 21:34:17 -0500 From: Esmail Bonakdarian Message-Id: <200004170234.VAA01356@europa.veggie.com> Subject: Re: [TP560x] can use other TP power supplies? To: cowthief@worldnet.att.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:34:17 +0000 () Reply-To: Esmail Bonakdarian X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Thanks for the info. I wasn't really looking for an additional power supply but rather only wanted to know if I could get away with using my friend's powersupply every once in a while if I was stuck with low power. Cheers, Esmail -----Original Message----- Yes. The 560 COULD CHARGE from a 701 power supply, however, the 701 supply is not rated for the full load of a 560. I would recommend a cheap 15.5 volt, at least 2.5 amp power supply. This can be done cheaply by getting a 3 amp rated 12 volt ( 13.6v ) power supply that is used, for example, to run a automotive C.B. radio. This will have some regulation adjust. Set this for 15.5, and get the correct 'barrel' connection. Tip is positive +. Radio Shack in the U.S. has a size selector and carries the correct barrel. The other alternative is to get a generic 15.5 volt supply of the correct current rating. It MUST be regulated, a switching supply is always regulated. The generic supply I have can power the 560, 701 and the 730 with the correct " tip ". The empower can power thinkpads directly. ---- Esmail Bonakdarian - esmail@uiowa.edu - http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~bonak From cph Mon Apr 17 02:17:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA16583 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:17:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04973; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:16:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04864; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04851; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:16:09 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.79.1.253]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000417061608.EFGW9725.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer> for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 06:16:08 +0000 Message-ID: <38FAAAF1.62EC@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:10:57 -0400 From: Simon Bryquer Reply-To: sbryquer@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: CABLE Modem for ThinkPads? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Can anyone recommend a Cable Modem for a ThinkPad 380XD. 240 & 600. Pros and cons of one brand over the other. I ask because cable is coming to NYC in September - but I got an invite to try it out now. I know they can supply a modem but you can bring your own making the whole thing cheaper. It has to be DOCSIS and etc. Thanks SCB From cph Mon Apr 17 02:31:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA16646 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:31:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05689; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:31:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05602; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05589; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:31:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.32 -> smtp.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:31:22 -0400 Received: from s3212.south-green.ohiou.edu (HELO daveb) (132.235.155.212) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Apr 2000 23:31:20 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Dave B." To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: CABLE Modem for ThinkPads? Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:31:21 -0400 Keywords: Miscellaneous Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <38FAAAF1.62EC@worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: Generally, cables modems connect to the host computer via an Ethernet interface. As long as you have a network device of some sort (most likely a PC Card), you should be able to use most of the cable modems that are available. Toshiba has a model or two that are fairly common and are used by Time-Warner's RoadRunner service is many places. They are DOCSIS compliant. See http://www.toshiba.com/taisnpd/ for details. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Bryquer [mailto:sbryquer@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 02:11 AM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: CABLE Modem for ThinkPads? > > > Can anyone recommend a Cable Modem for a ThinkPad 380XD. > 240 & 600. Pros and cons of one brand over the other. > > I ask because cable is coming to NYC in September - but > I got an invite to try it out now. I know they can > supply a modem but you can bring your own making the > whole thing cheaper. It has to be DOCSIS and etc. > > Thanks > > > SCB __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Mon Apr 17 12:42:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA19515 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:42:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19022; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:41:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18851; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18837; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de (134.100.96.1 -> plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Apr 2000 12:41:30 -0400 Received: from uke.uni-hamburg.de (maxwell.uke.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.96.153]) by plexus.uke.uni-hamburg.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA10583; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:44:12 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <38FB3EA9.41206A71@uke.uni-hamburg.de> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:41:13 +0200 From: "Dr. K. Thorsten Jaekel" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [de] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US,de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: inexpensive 560X battery source (German, European, international) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id MAA19022 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA19516 Hello everybody, particularly German or European mailing list subscribers, does anyone know a good source for IBM TP 560X battery packs? Requirements: Inexpensive (or reasonably priced at the least), secure credit card transaction, SHIPPING TO GERMANY (many US vendors don´t accept international orders, won´t extend their special offers to international customers, or they have incredible s&h charges, sometimes effectively doubling the price), preferably from within the EU (in order to avoid customs duties on top of s&h and sales tax). Thorsten Jaekel From cph Mon Apr 17 13:43:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA19989 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:43:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25303; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:42:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25092; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25073; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:42:22 -0400 Received: from user-37ka2o8.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37ka2o8.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.11.8]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA32617; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 13:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004171742.NAA32617@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "David Goldman" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 02:47:18 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000410131955.04b144e0@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP, Microphone, and ViaVoice List-Unsubscribe: My Andrea mic requires a little extra jack that has something to do with powering the mic. It sticks onto the green plug, and the other end sticks into the computer. Without the extra plug, the Mic is really weird. On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:22:25 -0700, David Goldman wrote: >At 01:46 PM 4/10/2000 , you wrote: >>Folks, >> >>I popped for an Andrea ANC-600 Microphone and >>picked up a copy of IBM ViaVoice Executive to >>set up my TP600 for voice dictation. >> >>Everything works, but I'm having problems with >>the jack. I plug blue TP adapter plug into the >>"mic in" on the side of the TP, then plug the >>jack into the blue adapter. No signal. Then >>I unplug the headphone jack, and slowly reinsert >>back into the adapter plug until it just touches >>but doesn't click. Now it works. I tape the >>thing together so it doesn't pull back out, and >>start training. >> >>Under Devices, Every Crystal PnP Audio driver >>is loaded correctly under Sound, video & Game >>Controllers. No conflicts in Win98, etc. The >>microphone works properly on another PC. >> >>Something's obviously wrong - any ideas? > > >Just to eliminate the obvious, try using the microphone >and the headphones under another program (like the MS >.WAV recorder). It shouldn't be a software problem, but >this will confirm it one way or another. > >Another obvious thought is to try another microphone and >headphone on the TP600 and see if things work correctly or >not. > >-- >David Goldman > From cph Mon Apr 17 18:38:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA22581 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:38:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17929; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:35:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17610; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17597; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.1.7 -> wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:35:55 -0400 Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.2.12]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/uniwue-MM-1.01) with ESMTP id AAA17760 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 00:35:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.47); 18 Apr 00 00:35:52 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.47); 18 Apr 00 00:35:28 +0200 Received: from mail.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.98) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.47); 18 Apr 00 00:35:19 +0200 Received: from babylon5 (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2] ) by mail.stelarcom.de (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:26:28 -0100 Message-Id: <200004172126.2832469.6@mail.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 21:26:22 +0200 (MST) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RedHat Linux on a 760XD List-Unsubscribe: Hi! I've had to install a RedHat Linux to a 760XD. Works pritty well so far, but I still have some trouble with sound. (Not that I ever got Linux to make any sound on any other machine till now...) modprobe for sb.o loads the basic devices but itself doesn't load at all but only tells me that the ressources are in use. Well I checked the interrupts and found that Linux likes to configure my 3COM Etherlink to IRQ5. Before I started to dig out how to tell Linux it should use any other interrupt I simply removed it (even upon startup) but sb.o still tells me IRQ 5 is in use. How could I get this working? SB16-emulation for MWave is ON and configured to the default ressources SB16 allocates. Next point: I found that for whatever reason RedHat initializes eth0 before loading the PCMCIA-modules. Well this can't work, so I get a [failed] upon startup. Then PCMCIA services are started and the network card is initialized and it's module loads. I'd consider this "strange" and I'd like to change the order to "first PCMCIA then the cards attached to it". Unfortunately the docs are very elaborated about this issue. (Not a single line.) Now my next problem (and the last one for now) is more software concerned. Actually I got SAMBA to work (oh well OS/2 is soooooo much easier) but I'd search a tool to sync two directories. Simply check which files are newer in either dir and copy it appropriatly and replacing the older ones. Like IBM's nsync on OS/2. Does anybody know if such a tool exists? My next target will be IR and stuff. So if anybody has a good link on the web where I could find an "easy to use" setup-guide. It took a bit long some time ago as we fiddlet out simlar things on SuSE. (Yes, I know vim ;) -- CU/2 (( In the beginning was The Word. Alexander Wagner )) And The Word was Content-type: text/plain Team OS/2 Franken (( -=[ Team OS/2 Germany #294 ]=- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or A.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for replies, even if some other addresses may appear. Thanks! --> Get my PGP-key with Subject: Request for PGP-Keys <-- From cph Mon Apr 17 18:59:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA22778 for ; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:59:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19385; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:59:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:58:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19291; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19278; Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:58:41 -0400 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.28) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 17 Apr 2000 18:55:24 -0400 Message-ID: <005a01bfa8c0$9180fc80$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: "Alexander Wagner" , "ThinkPad Mailinglist" References: <200004172126.2832469.6@mail.stelarcom.de> Subject: Re: RedHat Linux on a 760XD Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:59:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Hi, From my research on the 760(own a 760ED with RH), the sounds/modem is a DSP single-chip card, which basicly means that it can not be used in linux. The HSP(host signal processing) requires drivers, etc that only windows provides. So AFAIK, sound nor the modem will work. If you succede, please let me know! Also wondering if you could pass me your /etc/smb.conf file-I wasn't able to get SAMBA working. (did you use password encryption, or enable plain-text on the other systems?) Thanks! -Jamie From cph Tue Apr 18 01:44:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA24962 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:44:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12459; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:37:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12258; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12245; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.35 -> hnlmail2.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 01:36:57 -0400 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.252.247]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:36:52 -1000 Message-ID: <002101bfa8f8$409c3cc0$f7fc1918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith Wong" From: "Keith Wong" To: Subject: 701 display connectors came loose Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 19:37:53 -1000 Organization: University of Phoenix MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: --Arrgh! I left my laptop on the ground and accidentally kicked it a few inches on the ground. There was no physical damage, and I immediately booted it up to check for damages. Nothing, everything was O.K. A few days later I get my new battery in the mail and when I turn on my laptop there is no image on the screen, just a lightly glowing screen. Plugging it into an external monitor shows an O.K. image, but I think I may have kicked loose the screen connectors. I have downloaded and printed the large manual, but I am virgin at operating on laptops. Any suggestions? I am off to pick up a torx set of screwdrivers right now. I plan on taking it apart and reseating the connectors. Any help or suggestions would be great. Please let me know of anything that is a "trick to" getting off, or of easily breakable parts. Hope I don't get electrocuted. This feels all too much like laptop E.R. =( Wish me luck. Thanks in advance for your help. --Keith Keith Wong System Admin - Document Imaging Honolulu Police Department - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu From cph Tue Apr 18 07:49:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA26040 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:49:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03718; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:47:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03553; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03538; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 07:47:08 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (sehh@athe530-d089.otenet.gr [212.205.239.89]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA10791; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:46:40 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004181146.OAA10791@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "hardware@os2ss.com" , "os2user@os2ss.com" , "thinkpad" Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:48:36 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: thinkpad + sound List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id HAA03718 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id HAA26041 Hey/2 I'm using an IBM ThinkPad 600E, which has an MWave internal modem and a sound chipset that seems to be the Crystal SoundFusion CS4610/11. It seems that the modem and the sound use the same DSP chipset, although i'm not sure. I'm using the default drivers from IBM's website. My problem is that OS/2 (both WSeB and Warp4) crash with a trap D on the sound driver. The machine never gets more than a few days uptime. If i remove the sound driver the system works without sound but never crashes. Any help would be appriciated. PS: I was once told to remove IBM's crappy driver and use some other one, but i wasn't told any details on that. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Tue Apr 18 09:23:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA26437 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:23:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09421; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:23:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:22:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09237; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09222; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:22:42 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA11132; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <38FC6197.1B2624E3@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:22:31 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13-sls i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." CC: "hardware@os2ss.com" , "os2user@os2ss.com" , thinkpad Subject: Re: thinkpad + sound References: <200004181146.OAA10791@athserv.otenet.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I don't believe the DSP is used by the sound chipset at all. It has a real audio chipset. On my 600, I can get the audio working in Linux using the commercial OSS drivers, whereas there is no hope of getting the Mwave modem to work. --Lee Hetherington From cph Tue Apr 18 14:39:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA29156 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:39:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10231; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:37:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09763; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09746; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:36:56 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.120.77]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000418183637.ZEMX9725.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 18:36:37 +0000 Message-ID: <000901bfa965$194c8720$4d784a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: 701 connec-o-rama Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 13:36:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. The 701 is quite a challenge to take apart if you have never taken a laptop apart before. You will need a torx t-1 for the four front screws. If you only suspect the display, remove the four front screws, they are a more easily found size, then, GENTLY pry the bottom right corner, this will free up the right section. The idea is to gently work the inside part that is a frame, from the outside. Once it is loose, you can pull the top, ( the area with the 2 latches ) apart, being careful as the latches have springs and like to go airborne, once this is done you will find a microphone that is simply held in place, make a note of it and the position of it and the plastic brackets, this MUST go back together as it came apart, no room for error here. The display is connected by 2 flat cables, one has a plug connection, the other one is soldered, conversly, the planer board " motherboard" has the inverse. Please remember ESD. Static straps are very cheap insurance. From cph Tue Apr 18 16:02:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA29860 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:02:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18257; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:59:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17967; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:59:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17933; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:59:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20173; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:59:07 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:59:06 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." cc: "hardware@os2ss.com" , "os2user@os2ss.com" , thinkpad Subject: Re: thinkpad + sound In-Reply-To: <200004181146.OAA10791@athserv.otenet.gr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Speaking about the ThinkPad and sound. Is there supposed to be in Win98, only one wave device for modem or is there supposed to be one for each modem? Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Tue Apr 18 16:37:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA30127 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:37:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21702; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:36:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21545; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mochi.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21526; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mochi.lava.net (199.222.42.11 -> mochi.lava.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 16:36:12 -0400 Received: from HPDDB(naupaka035.lava.net[207.26.195.82]) (3024 bytes) by mochi.lava.net via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:35:53 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Dec-7) Message-ID: <003101bfa976$242c95c0$fcf71eac@PDIMAGE> From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: References: <000901bfa965$194c8720$4d784a0c@701c> Subject: Re: 701 connec-o-rama Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:39:04 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: --Thanks to Rudolph and "Slip" for their advice. I got as far as taking apart the LCD screen assembly last night, but I could not take apart the base cover as my new torx kit was only size T6 to T9. I'm gonna pick up a T1 today. You guys are right, the hinge and keyboard cam assemblies are tricky to work on, but I managed to take everything apart up there and put it back together again. The laptop does boot up and will show video to an external monitor. The onboard LCD screen just shows an out of sync picture that looks like when you put in an incompatible video card in a desktop. Question to the list. Does anyone repair these LCd displays on the list? If so would a loose connector show this type of out of sync image, or would it not show anything at all? What does a shot LCD look like? Anyone want to offer me repair prices for repairing the LCD. Just fishing for info. Thank guys and gals. --Keith Keith Wong System Administrator - IKON Business Information Systems Honolulu Police Department site - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Pager:(808) 290-0888 Home:(808) 949-0345 E-mails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: rudolph wratten To: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 8:36 AM Subject: 701 connec-o-rama > Hello. > > The 701 is quite a challenge to take apart if you have never taken a laptop > apart before. > You will need a torx t-1 for the four front screws. > If you only suspect the display, remove the four front screws, they are a > more easily found size, then, GENTLY pry the bottom right corner, this will > free up the right section. The idea is to gently work the inside part that > is a frame, from the outside. Once it is loose, you can pull the top, the > area with the 2 latches ) apart, being careful as the latches have springs > and like to go airborne, once this is done you will find a microphone that > is simply held in place, make a note of it and the position of it and the > plastic brackets, this MUST go back together as it came apart, no room for > error here. The display is connected by 2 flat cables, one has a plug > connection, the other one is soldered, conversly, the planer board " > motherboard" has the inverse. Please remember ESD. Static straps are very > cheap insurance. > From cph Tue Apr 18 21:11:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA32174 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:11:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07905; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:08:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07575; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07561; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:08:10 -0400 Received: from 208-58-198-169.s169.tnt11.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.198.169] helo=desktop) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12hixb-0005Cn-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:07:20 -0400 Message-ID: <00a001bfa99b$ddfe0360$0101a8c0@desktop> From: "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" To: Subject: Cheap 600Es on Yahoo today Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:09:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: It is now too late for this to be good news for anybody else, BUT ... Today on Yahoo I bought a TP 600E 26454AU PII 366 with all the goodies for $800. http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/23317486 Anybody in the market should for such a beast should keep an eye on Yahoo. The guy had 15 today, with a start price of $90, and a buy price of $800. He sold 15 last week for $925. The IBM page for this machine says, Bus type/architecture: PCI Expansion bus type: PCI PCMCIA support: 2 Type II or 1 Type III Card Bus (Zoomed Video support) UltraBay: Yes (UltraslimBay) Does this mean that any Type III PCMCIA card *must* be CardBus? Thanks. Donald --- Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] ---------------------------------------- I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! ---------------------------------------- From cph Tue Apr 18 21:48:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA32419 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:48:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09884; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:48:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09797; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA09784; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:48:10 -0400 Received: from 208-58-198-169.s169.tnt11.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.198.169] helo=desktop) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12hjaJ-00013i-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:47:19 -0400 Message-ID: <010001bfa9a1$7451a600$0101a8c0@desktop> From: "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" To: Subject: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:49:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00FD_01BFA97F.EBE11240" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01BFA97F.EBE11240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Before I sent my money off to Canada, I did some checking. I sent the = following to eBay customer support: I won auction 23317486. It is for an IBM ThinkPad 600e laptop. I got it = for the ridiculously low price of $800. The seller (playin586) last week sold 15 of these for $925. All nine = buyers left feed back for him within 1 hour of each other. The feedback = left for each of them on their auctions comes from one of the other = eight people in the group of nine. The seller wants only money orders or cashier's checks made out to CASH = sent to Canada. This sounds fishy to me. I have emailed the seller and asked him for the = email=20 address of one of last week's buyers. I will send the money only then. Please check this out. Also consider alerting firework21_kr who won 14 = units before he sends his money off to a possible never-never-land. I will let you know what I hear back from user Playin586. Thanks. Donald --- Donald M. MacQueen=20 Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] ---------------------------------------- I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! ---------------------------------------- ------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01BFA97F.EBE11240 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Before I sent my money off to Canada, I did some = checking. I=20 sent the following to eBay customer support:
 
I won auction 23317486. It is for an IBM = ThinkPad 600e=20 laptop. I got it for the ridiculously low price of = $800.
 
The seller (playin586) last week sold 15 of = these for=20 $925. All nine buyers left feed back for him within 1 hour of each = other. The=20 feedback left for each of them on their auctions comes from one of the = other=20 eight people in the group of nine.
 
The seller wants only money orders or cashier's = checks=20 made out to CASH sent to Canada.
 
This sounds fishy to me. I have emailed the = seller and=20 asked him for the email
address of one of last week's buyers. I will = send=20 the money only then.
 
Please check this out. Also consider alerting=20 firework21_kr who won 14 units
before he sends his money off to a = possible=20 never-never-land.
 
I will let you know what I hear back from user = Playin586.=20 Thanks.
Donald
 
---
Donald M. MacQueen
Registered Smalltalk = Bigot,=20 [Esq.]
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I've tried the = rest, now I=20 use the best --=20 Smalltalk!
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------=_NextPart_000_00FD_01BFA97F.EBE11240-- From cph Tue Apr 18 22:06:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA32548 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:06:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11095; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:06:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10998; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10984; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:06:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:06:13 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.2.95]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000419020611.ZXCO1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 02:06:11 +0000 Message-ID: <38FD149E.4BAF@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:06:22 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Malcolm MacQueen CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo References: <010001bfa9a1$7451a600$0101a8c0@desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Seems like an obvious scam. Donald Malcolm MacQueen wrote: > > Before I sent my money off to Canada, I did some checking. I sent the > following to eBay customer support: > > I won auction 23317486. It is for an IBM ThinkPad 600e laptop. I got > it for the ridiculously low price of $800. > > The seller (playin586) last week sold 15 of these for $925. All nine > buyers left feed back for him within 1 hour of each other. The > feedback left for each of them on their auctions comes from one of the > other eight people in the group of nine. > > The seller wants only money orders or cashier's checks made out to > CASH sent to Canada. > > This sounds fishy to me. I have emailed the seller and asked him for > the email > address of one of last week's buyers. I will send the money only then. > > Please check this out. Also consider alerting firework21_kr who won 14 > units > before he sends his money off to a possible never-never-land. > > I will let you know what I hear back from user Playin586. Thanks. > Donald > > --- > Donald M. MacQueen > Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] > ---------------------------------------- > I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! > ---------------------------------------- From cph Tue Apr 18 22:07:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA32552 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:07:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11259; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:06:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11161; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11146; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:06:53 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA27423 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:06:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <38FD1478.63E448F8@stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:05:44 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo References: <010001bfa9a1$7451a600$0101a8c0@desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Don't you mean Yahoo customer support? I'd think eBay couldn't care less what happens on a Yahoo auction. Anyway, IMHO this sounds suspiciously like a con job. The fact that the 9 feedbacks came within 1 hour of each other is BAD NEWS. Circular feedback is BAD NEWS. Certified funds made out to CASH is BAD NEWS. Dude, hold on to your money. I will be amazed if you ever get that laptop and it's legal and in working condition. Anyone with 15 brand name laptops to sell is very unlikely to be stupid enough to sell them for $800 each. Good deals can sometimes be had from owners of single units. But 15 laptops? We're talking a fleet of machines here. You (and anyone else considering such a transaction) would do well to be afraid. Be very afraid. For myself, I'd stay away from high-value transactions with people without a long history of feedback. It's hard on Yahoo, but I have seen people with feedback in the 50+ range. And on eBay there are sellers who are practically bulletproof - 1000+. I'd rather pay a small premium (or use escrow) for big dollar items. Remember that if something is too good to be true, it usually is. Caveat Emptor! Benjamin > Donald Malcolm MacQueen wrote: > > Before I sent my money off to Canada, I did some checking. I sent the > following to eBay customer support: > > I won auction 23317486. It is for an IBM ThinkPad 600e laptop. I got > it for the ridiculously low price of $800. > > The seller (playin586) last week sold 15 of these for $925. All nine > buyers left feed back for him within 1 hour of each other. The > feedback left for each of them on their auctions comes from one of the > other eight people in the group of nine. > > The seller wants only money orders or cashier's checks made out to > CASH sent to Canada. > > This sounds fishy to me. I have emailed the seller and asked him for > the email > address of one of last week's buyers. I will send the money only then. > > Please check this out. Also consider alerting firework21_kr who won 14 > units > before he sends his money off to a possible never-never-land. > > I will let you know what I hear back from user Playin586. Thanks. > Donald > > --- > Donald M. MacQueen > Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] > ---------------------------------------- > I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! > ---------------------------------------- -- Clickdough - Paid surfing without installing IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Tue Apr 18 22:09:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA32568 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:09:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11754; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:09:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11673; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11645; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:09:26 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA18664 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:09:25 -0700 Message-ID: <015f01bfa9a6$3fb428a0$03785a8e@pmachule> From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: References: <010001bfa9a1$7451a600$0101a8c0@desktop> Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:23:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "The seller wants only money orders or cashier's checks made out to CASH sent to Canada." Yikes ! The made out to cash is a no go !!! Do NOT do that . If You do use a money order make sure it's a US Postal one . At the $800 level they'll follow-up on it . I assume you meant you contacted Yahoo ..not Ebay . BTW The circle scam was used a couple times recently on ebay i.e. references were all from each other, to each other . ..peter.. I wish you good luck with your purchase . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 6:49 PM Subject: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo Before I sent my money off to Canada, I did some checking. I sent the following to eBay customer support: I won auction 23317486. It is for an IBM ThinkPad 600e laptop. I got it for the ridiculously low price of $800. The seller (playin586) last week sold 15 of these for $925. All nine buyers left feed back for him within 1 hour of each other. The feedback left for each of them on their auctions comes from one of the other eight people in the group of nine. The seller wants only money orders or cashier's checks made out to CASH sent to Canada. This sounds fishy to me. I have emailed the seller and asked him for the email address of one of last week's buyers. I will send the money only then. Please check this out. Also consider alerting firework21_kr who won 14 units before he sends his money off to a possible never-never-land. I will let you know what I hear back from user Playin586. Thanks. Donald --- Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] ---------------------------------------- I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! ---------------------------------------- From cph Tue Apr 18 22:20:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA32682 for ; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:20:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12636; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:20:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12519; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12504; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:20:11 -0400 Received: from denhall (hi5-105.ismi.net [207.51.181.134]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA01749; Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00c801bfa9ae$54148da0$86b533cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" , Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo-SCAM FOR SURE... Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 22:21:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: ABSOLUTELY A SCAM_SCAM_SCAM--- >"The seller wants only money orders or cashier's checks made out to CASH >sent to Canada." >Yikes ! >The made out to cash is a no go !!! >Do NOT do that . > >If You do use a money order make sure it's a US Postal one . >At the $800 level they'll follow-up on it . > >I assume you meant you contacted Yahoo ..not Ebay . > >BTW The circle scam was used a couple times recently on ebay >i.e. references were all from each other, to each other . > >..peter.. > >I wish you good luck with your purchase . > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 6:49 PM >Subject: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo > > >Before I sent my money off to Canada, I did some checking. I sent the >following to eBay customer support: > >I won auction 23317486. It is for an IBM ThinkPad 600e laptop. I got it for >the ridiculously low price of $800. > >The seller (playin586) last week sold 15 of these for $925. All nine buyers >left feed back for him within 1 hour of each other. The feedback left for >each of them on their auctions comes from one of the other eight people in >the group of nine. > >The seller wants only money orders or cashier's checks made out to CASH sent >to Canada. > >This sounds fishy to me. I have emailed the seller and asked him for the >email >address of one of last week's buyers. I will send the money only then. > >Please check this out. Also consider alerting firework21_kr who won 14 units >before he sends his money off to a possible never-never-land. > >I will let you know what I hear back from user Playin586. Thanks. > >Donald > >--- >Donald M. MacQueen >Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] >---------------------------------------- >I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! >---------------------------------------- > > > From cph Wed Apr 19 07:17:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA02545 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:17:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09404; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:14:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09149; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA09117; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:14:43 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-e126.otenet.gr [212.205.247.126]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA08369 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:14:36 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004191114.OAA08369@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:14:41 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <015f01bfa9a6$3fb428a0$03785a8e@pmachule> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id HAA09404 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id HAA02546 On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 19:23:28 -0700, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: >BTW The circle scam was used a couple times recently on ebay >i.e. references were all from each other, to each other . could you please explain what is this 'circle' scam and how it works? and how to detect such a thing? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 19 09:04:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA02942 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:04:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15000; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:03:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14882; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14862; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mail.gol.com (203.216.5.12 -> smtp02.mail.gol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:03:51 -0400 Received: from tc-1-190.nagoya.gol.ne.jp (tc-1-190.nagoya.gol.ne.jp [203.216.106.190]) by smtp02.mail.gol.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E4D815772; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:03:40 +0900 (JST) From: "Stephen A. Carter" To: "POSSI Discussion list" , "ThinkPad list" Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:10:07 +0900 (JST) Reply-To: "Stephen A. Carter" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [TP535E] Fun with MWave Message-Id: <20000419130340.6E4D815772@smtp02.mail.gol.com> List-Unsubscribe: I've just installed OS/2 Warp 4J, no fixpacks, on a Japan-market ThinkPad 535E, wich has a 150 MHz MMX Pentium CPU and 72 MB of RAM. When installing the OS I was careful to install base Multimedia support. After making sure the OS was installed and working correctly, I installed the ThinkPad System Management Driver, then MWave for OS/2 (no MIDI). The MWave installation seemed to complete correctly, and at bootup I see the message from the MWAVEDD.SYS driver as it's loaded, then the brief MWave copyright splash screen right after the desktop appears. Here are the problems. - System sounds are apparently enabled, but there's no sound. - When the MWave modem has been started (by double-clicking the modem icon in the MWave folder), then anything that generates a system sound crashes the desktop and displays a SYS3175 error. Any thoughts on how to start looking for a solution? -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. mailto:scarter@hticn.com Nagoya, Japan http://www.geekynetstuff.com PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD From cph Wed Apr 19 09:16:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA02966 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:15:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16071; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:15:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15983; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.panix.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15964; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.panix.com (166.84.0.212 -> mail1.panix.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:15:24 -0400 Received: from panix.com (mail1.panix.com [166.84.0.212]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA0F830ED3 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from microvst.demon.co.uk (microvst.demon.co.uk [158.152.56.133]) by panix.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582D011709 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 09:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:00:33 +0100 BST From: tgold@panix.com (Anthony R. Gold) Reply-To: tgold@panix.com Message-Id: <2001587@panix.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo X-Mailer: PCElm 1.12 beta 3 Lines: 39 List-Unsubscribe: In message <010001bfa9a1$7451a600$0101a8c0@desktop> "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" writes: > Before I sent my money off to Canada, I did some checking. I sent the = > following to eBay customer support: > > I won auction 23317486. It is for an IBM ThinkPad 600e laptop. I got it = > for the ridiculously low price of $800. > > The seller (playin586) last week sold 15 of these for $925. All nine = > buyers left feed back for him within 1 hour of each other. The feedback = > left for each of them on their auctions comes from one of the other = > eight people in the group of nine. > > The seller wants only money orders or cashier's checks made out to CASH = > sent to Canada. > > This sounds fishy to me. I have emailed the seller and asked him for the = > email=20 > address of one of last week's buyers. I will send the money only then. > > Please check this out. Also consider alerting firework21_kr who won 14 = > units > before he sends his money off to a possible never-never-land. > > I will let you know what I hear back from user Playin586. Thanks. I admit that I just don't get it. But what facts changed from those you knew, or which you ought to have known, when you placed your bid in the first place? Did the seller change the payment terms? What is your excuse for bidding and now not honoring your bid after it won the auction? At this point it appears to me that you are the only one who is not living up to their promise. But, as I said before, maybe it just looks that way to me because I simply don't get it. Regards, -- Tony - G3SKR / W2TG email: tgold@panix.com From cph Wed Apr 19 10:48:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA03652 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:48:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24799; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:45:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24540; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24527; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:45:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:45:03 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc4a205.bf.sover.net [209.198.114.143]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA06618; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004191444.KAA06618@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) sover.net from arc4a205.bf.sover.net [209.198.114.143] 209.198.114.143 Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:44:19 -0400 To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200004191110.OAA29852@athserv.otenet.gr> Subject: Re: thinkpad + sound X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 (Unregistered) List-Unsubscribe: sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." said: >>>If i remove the sound driver the system works without sound but never >>>crashes. >> >>The are different chips and the sound works fine on my 600E. >My 600E has a Crystal CS4610/11 SoundFusion chipset. It only crashes when >i've been using the modem for some reason, maybe the DSP chip interferes with >the sound chipset :( This is a guess, but have you been booting between WinX and OS2? Because something is changing the settings -- IOW, you cannot install the software incorrectly, because the TP utilities will not permit conflicting settings. So something is changing them after they are set. _____________ Ed Letourneau From cph Wed Apr 19 11:47:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA04110 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:47:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00681; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:45:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00532; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00490; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:45:45 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n137.otenet.gr [212.205.246.137]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA01737 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:45:37 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004191545.SAA01737@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:45:40 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004191444.KAA06618@garnet.sover.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: thinkpad + sound List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id LAA00681 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA04111 On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 10:44:19 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >This is a guess, but have you been booting between WinX and OS2? Because >something is changing the settings -- IOW, you cannot install the software >incorrectly, because the TP utilities will not permit conflicting settings. So >something is changing them after they are set. No i'm not using Windoze, only WSeB (c: partition) and Warp4 (d: partition). The settings haven't changed in any way that i can detect, and modem and sound use different IRQ/DMA/IO settings so there doesn't seem to be a conflict. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 19 11:50:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA04140 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:50:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01082; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:49:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00997; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00982; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:49:34 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n137.otenet.gr [212.205.246.137]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA10316 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:49:30 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004191549.SAA10316@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:49:36 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000419130340.6E4D815772@smtp02.mail.gol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [TP535E] Fun with MWave List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id LAA01082 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA04141 On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:10:07 +0900 (JST), Stephen A. Carter wrote: >- System sounds are apparently enabled, but there's no sound. Same problem with Mwave on my 600E with WSeB. Apparently i fixed it, it was a conflict with a DMA. >- When the MWave modem has been started (by double-clicking the modem >icon in the MWave folder), then anything that generates a system >sound crashes the desktop and displays a SYS3175 error. Use the TP Utility to disable some devices that you don't use to free some resources, like the parallel port, serial port, or whatever you don't use. Then use the TP Utility to make sure all working devices use individual IRQ/DMA/IO and are not conflicting with anything. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 19 11:55:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA04187 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:55:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01847; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:54:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01734; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01717; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 11:54:27 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-n137.otenet.gr [212.205.246.137]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA21076 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:54:24 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004191554.SAA21076@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:54:30 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <38FC6197.1B2624E3@sls.lcs.mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: thinkpad + sound List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id LAA01847 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA04188 On Tue, 18 Apr 2000 09:22:31 -0400, I Lee Hetherington wrote: >I don't believe the DSP is used by the sound chipset at all. It has a >real audio chipset. On my 600, I can get the audio working in Linux >using the commercial OSS drivers, whereas there is no hope of getting >the Mwave modem to work. I don't quite understand how the sound on my 600E works, but it seems that every time i connect with my internal modem to the internet, my system will TRAP if i use the sound. So i can only conclude that the sound driver is conflicting with the modem software in some way. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 19 13:19:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA04748 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:19:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09523; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:18:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09325; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09300; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:17:56 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24795; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <38FDEA3F.EACBD4CE@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 13:17:51 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13-sls i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: thinkpad + sound References: <200004191554.SAA21076@athserv.otenet.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Or they are incorrectly using the same interrupt or something like that. --Lee Hetherington From cph Wed Apr 19 14:23:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA05329 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:23:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14050; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:20:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13833; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13820; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:20:42 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-2.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.2]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA27394; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000419142057.01307690@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:20:57 -0700 To: tgold@panix.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo In-Reply-To: <2001587@panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:00 PM 04/19/2000 BST, Anthony R. Gold wrote: >In message <010001bfa9a1$7451a600$0101a8c0@desktop> "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" writes: > >> Before I sent my money off to Canada, I did some checking. I sent the = >> following to eBay customer support: >> >> I won auction 23317486. It is for an IBM ThinkPad 600e laptop. I got it = >> for the ridiculously low price of $800. >> >> The seller (playin586) last week sold 15 of these for $925. All nine = >> buyers left feed back for him within 1 hour of each other. The feedback = >> left for each of them on their auctions comes from one of the other = >> eight people in the group of nine. >> >> The seller wants only money orders or cashier's checks made out to CASH = >> sent to Canada. >> >> This sounds fishy to me. I have emailed the seller and asked him for the = >> email=20 >> address of one of last week's buyers. I will send the money only then. >> >> Please check this out. Also consider alerting firework21_kr who won 14 = >> units >> before he sends his money off to a possible never-never-land. >> >> I will let you know what I hear back from user Playin586. Thanks. > >I admit that I just don't get it. But what facts changed from those >you knew, or which you ought to have known, when you placed your bid >in the first place? Did the seller change the payment terms? What >is your excuse for bidding and now not honoring your bid after it won >the auction? > >At this point it appears to me that you are the only one who is not >living up to their promise. But, as I said before, maybe it just >looks that way to me because I simply don't get it. What's there not to get? It is, "caveat emptor," in it's most extreme form. The buyer and seller need some type of insurance, and what looks too good to be true usually ends up being that way. Without assurances or past references and shady feedback, only a fool or idiot would blindly send $800-$1000 off to another country with the MO or cashier's check (assured funds, no turning back) made out to, "cash." As a potential buyer of a TP600E that seemed a bit shady and was out of country, I would request full contact info (physical address, work and home #s), serial #s from the units for verification and a few references to protect myself. The buyer is not saying he won't honor his bid. He is simply protecting himself before sending off what amounts to a, "no way out," method of payment. Once sent, it is gone. You have to realize the buyer is in a totally defenseless position on this one. The potential bidder is protecting himself by asking for references and checking out the seller before sending money. Any sane person would do this. I've won auctions before and asked the seller for references. If they were unable to provide them or seemed shady, I requested alternative payment methods. I don't care if I won or not. I'm not suddenly going to throw caution to the wind and blindly send funds when something seems fishy. The few times I did this, I had one seller refuse any other method, so I backed out. Another time, he wanted cash up front. I realized I lived ~2.5hrs from him, so I told him I would meet them to purchase the equipment. They fell off of the face of the earth and stopped responding to my emails. The other times, the sellers were very accomodating based upon my own feedback profile and list of references and extensive contact info. 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Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Apr 19 14:52:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA05524 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:52:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16358; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:50:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16233; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:50:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from microvst.dircon.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16220; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from microvst.dircon.co.uk (194.112.47.223 -> microvst.dircon.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:50:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:46:30 +0100 BST From: tgold@panix.com (Anthony R. Gold) Reply-To: tgold@panix.com Message-Id: <2001593@panix.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo X-Mailer: PCElm 1.12 beta 3 Lines: 23 List-Unsubscribe: In message <3.0.6.32.20000419142057.01307690@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mark Bell writes: > At 02:00 PM 04/19/2000 BST, Anthony R. Gold wrote: > >In message <010001bfa9a1$7451a600$0101a8c0@desktop> "Donald Malcolm > MacQueen" writes: > > > >I admit that I just don't get it. But what facts changed from those > >you knew, or which you ought to have known, when you placed your bid > >in the first place? Did the seller change the payment terms? What > >is your excuse for bidding and now not honoring your bid after it won > >the auction? > > What's there not to get? It is, "caveat emptor," in it's most extreme > form. The buyer and seller need some type of insurance, and what looks > too good to be true usually ends up being that way. That may be the very best reason not to bid in the first place, but I don't see how it's a reason to bid but not to pay. But then, as I said, I didn't get it. Regards, -- Tony - G3SKR / W2TG email: tgold@panix.com From cph Wed Apr 19 15:21:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA05761 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:21:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18684; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:20:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18604; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18590; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:20:38 -0400 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04471 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port65.magma.ca [209.217.123.65]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA08944 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004191920.PAA08944@mail3.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:19:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Port replicator through USB / PCI expansion List-Unsubscribe: I saw this at Computer City. www.mobilityelectronics.com (model 200). It seems to be a univeral port replicator that works through the USB port. What's nice about this physically is that it doesn't have to be right under/behind the notebook, it can be (well, _is_) connected with a USB cable. Also, although it's got a series of idiot lights up the "front" (the curved side shown on the site), it could easily be placed with all the connectors showing. Comes with parallel, serial, keyboard, PS/2 mouse, 5 USBs, and an optional ethernet connection. (I think that's it, but the PDF datasheet link is dead). Any thoughts on this? Surely there is a hit on the ethernet connection, but apart >from that (or not using that), is this a good solution. Price is U$150 for what I think is the non-ethernet version. Also seen on this site is the model 2000 (no price, "coming soon") which looks like a mini-tower computer. No a port replicator, it's got 4 drive bays, 3 full-length PCI slots, and a couple of USB ports. Connects to the notebook using a CardBus slot. This sounds interesting, but I wonder if the same thing couldn be accomplished by networking a second computer, at least wrt additional drive capacity. The model 3000 is a combination: all the ports of the 200, but only 2 half-length PCI slots and only 2 bays. Without knowing the cost of the 2000 and 3000, do these things make any sense? And what about that model 200? Thanks! From cph Wed Apr 19 15:27:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA05799 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:27:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19449; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:25:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19304; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19290; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:25:50 -0400 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA06497 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port65.magma.ca [209.217.123.65]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA09940 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004191925.PAA09940@mail3.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "Thinkpad Maillist (E-mail)" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:23:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <38EC21C7.657E532F@gate.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: External HDadapters List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 06 Apr 2000 01:33:59 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Apricorn (and others) have pcmcia IDE ports.. >Apricorn even ships a case for an external HDD.. Thanks Bill! I'm still worried about tying up one of my PCMCIA slots for this. I've got a network card and a SCSI card already in use. Which is why I keep thinking, either use a SCSI interface, or put the drive in a networked PC. ;) andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Wed Apr 19 16:03:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA06029 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:02:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25142; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:02:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:01:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24939; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:01:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24926; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:01:51 -0400 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21125 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port65.magma.ca [209.217.123.65]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA17356 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:01:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004192001.QAA17356@mail3.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:45:19 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: External keyboard adapter cable List-Unsubscribe: This was discussed a couple of weeks ago. Recall that IBM's adapter is ~U$39 on their site, or C$38 (~U$26) at the local IBM store. Someone suggested that Belkin or others make a cable that should work. I've heard that before, but could never track one down, and figured the savings might not be that great anyway. (I bought mine from the IBM store 18 months ago). Well, I'm happy to report that I saw one in a local computer store. It's made by StarTech (www.startech.com or www.startechcomp.com). I see these guys' display in practically every computer store in Ottawa these days! Just for fun, I bought the cable to try. It's labelled: 6 Inch IBM Keyboard Y Splitter Cable Allows Notebook PCs touse external PS/2 mouse and keyboard Designed for IBM Notebooks Model: KYC1MF The price? C$6.99 (~U$5.00) !! I've been using it for over a week, and if you can read this, it's still working. ;) andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Wed Apr 19 16:58:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA06533 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:58:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00328; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:56:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00135; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00052; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov (128.183.50.20 -> wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:55:54 -0400 Received: from dhelfrich.gsfc.nasa.gov (dhelfrich.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.215.1]) by wheelo.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04950 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <013801bfaa41$d3d1c740$01d7b780@dhelfrich.gsfc.nasa.gov> From: "Dan Helfrich" To: Subject: Migration alternatives Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:56:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0135_01BFAA20.3AB6D800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0135_01BFAA20.3AB6D800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings dear listmembers, For upgrading Thinkpad users from Win 9x to Win 2K on the Thinkpad 600X, = my local system adminstrator Joel recommends alternative B, vs. the = simpler(?) approach A: A: Install Office2K and other required apps compatible with Win NT/2K = on the new machine fresh and then manually copy user data files over the = network using a shared disk drive on the Win2K machine. Don't mess with = apps not Win2K compatible. B: Install Win98SE over Win2K on the new machine. Don't bother with = the many custom IBM drivers. Manually copy all "non-system" files = including user files and applications onto the new machine. Re-install = Win2K on the new machine overtop of Win 98SE. The benefit of B: There's no need to re-install all the applications = software with approach B. =20 I'm not ready to buy into Joel's approach. Any comments? PS. What makes this really interesting is the high likelihood that = the first user to undergo this upgrade process in my org besides me is = one of my project managers who in the past has relied on me for Thinkpad = advice... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Daniel D. 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Greetings dear listmembers,
 
For upgrading Thinkpad users from Win 9x to Win 2K on the Thinkpad = 600X, my=20 local system adminstrator Joel recommends alternative B, vs. the = simpler(?)=20 approach A:
 
A:  Install Office2K and other required apps compatible with = Win NT/2K=20 on the new machine fresh and then manually copy user data files over the = network=20 using a shared disk drive on the Win2K machine.  Don't mess with = apps not=20 Win2K compatible.
 
B:  Install Win98SE over Win2K on the new machine.  Don't = bother=20 with the many custom IBM drivers.  Manually copy all "non-system" = files=20 including user files and applications onto the new machine.  = Re-install=20 Win2K on the new machine overtop of Win 98SE.
 
The benefit of B:  There's no need to re-install all the = applications=20 software with approach B. 
 
I'm not ready to buy into Joel's approach.  Any = comments?
 
PS.    What makes this really interesting is the high = likelihood=20 that the first user to undergo this upgrade process in my org besides me = is one=20 of my project managers who in the past has relied on me for Thinkpad=20 advice...
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Daniel=20 D. Helfrich,  Mechanical Systems Manager,  EOS Aura = Project
NASA=20 Goddard Space Flight Center, Code 543, Greenbelt, MD, USA = 20771
phone:=20 (301)286-8481  fax: (301)286-1744 email: helfrich@gsfc.nasa.gov
------=_NextPart_000_0135_01BFAA20.3AB6D800-- From cph Wed Apr 19 18:09:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA06961 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:09:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05022; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:06:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04862; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04849; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:06:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (207.115.153.22 -> smtppop3.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:06:43 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop3.gte.net with SMTP for ; id RAA14546472 Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:06:25 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004192206.RAA14546472@smtppop3.gte.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:06:37 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from tgold@panix.com (Anthony R. Gold) Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:00:33 +0100 BST > I admit that I just don't get it. But what facts changed from those > you knew, or which you ought to have known, when you placed your bid > in the first place? Did the seller change the payment terms? What > is your excuse for bidding and now not honoring your bid after it won > the auction? You haven't checked it out. I'm looking at the auction page now and it says "Payment must be received within 7 days of close of auction via Cashiers Check, Business or Personal Check, or Money Order." He also has another auction that has ended, #22974097, where he lists an address and phone and fax numbers in Pueblo, Colorado. So why does he need to receive the money in Canada? All of his "happy customers" have buyer's feedback posted by him and by each of the other customers. If this is not a scam, I will eat my TP 701c. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/19/00, 17:06:35 From cph Wed Apr 19 18:14:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07014 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:14:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05537; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:13:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05434; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mi8.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05411; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mi8.com (63.68.243.13 -> mail.mi8.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:13:21 -0400 Received: from nycexbh01.mi8.com (unverified) by mail.mi8.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with ESMTP id ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:09:47 -0400 Received: by nycexbh01.mi8.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:08:27 -0400 Message-ID: <37E1E2BB9C28D311AB390008C707D2A6030F0DD2@nycexis01.mi8.com> From: Steve Hultquist To: Dan Helfrich , Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Migration alternatives Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:08:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFAA4B.C817D55C" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFAA4B.C817D55C Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I'm confused about what you're trying to do. What I've done is: 1) Install Win2k 2) Install Win2k apps 3) Copy app files over from old machine using FTP or CIFS (Windows networking) Worked like a charm. ssh -----Original Message----- From: Dan Helfrich [mailto:dan.helfrich@gsfc.nasa.gov] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:57 PM To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Migration alternatives Greetings dear listmembers, For upgrading Thinkpad users from Win 9x to Win 2K on the Thinkpad 600X, my local system adminstrator Joel recommends alternative B, vs. the simpler(?) approach A: A: Install Office2K and other required apps compatible with Win NT/2K on the new machine fresh and then manually copy user data files over the network using a shared disk drive on the Win2K machine. Don't mess with apps not Win2K compatible. B: Install Win98SE over Win2K on the new machine. Don't bother with the many custom IBM drivers. Manually copy all "non-system" files including user files and applications onto the new machine. Re-install Win2K on the new machine overtop of Win 98SE. The benefit of B: There's no need to re-install all the applications software with approach B. I'm not ready to buy into Joel's approach. Any comments? PS. What makes this really interesting is the high likelihood that the first user to undergo this upgrade process in my org besides me is one of my project managers who in the past has relied on me for Thinkpad advice... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Daniel D. Helfrich, Mechanical Systems Manager, EOS Aura Project NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Code 543, Greenbelt, MD, USA 20771 phone: (301)286-8481 fax: (301)286-1744 email: helfrich@gsfc.nasa.gov ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFAA4B.C817D55C Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
I'm confused about what you're trying to do. What I've done is:
 
1) Install Win2k
2) Install Win2k apps
3) Copy app files over from old machine using FTP or CIFS (Windows networking)
 
Worked like a charm.
 
ssh
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Helfrich [mailto:dan.helfrich@gsfc.nasa.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:57 PM
To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Migration alternatives

Greetings dear listmembers,
 
For upgrading Thinkpad users from Win 9x to Win 2K on the Thinkpad 600X, my local system adminstrator Joel recommends alternative B, vs. the simpler(?) approach A:
 
A:  Install Office2K and other required apps compatible with Win NT/2K on the new machine fresh and then manually copy user data files over the network using a shared disk drive on the Win2K machine.  Don't mess with apps not Win2K compatible.
 
B:  Install Win98SE over Win2K on the new machine.  Don't bother with the many custom IBM drivers.  Manually copy all "non-system" files including user files and applications onto the new machine.  Re-install Win2K on the new machine overtop of Win 98SE.
 
The benefit of B:  There's no need to re-install all the applications software with approach B. 
 
I'm not ready to buy into Joel's approach.  Any comments?
 
PS.    What makes this really interesting is the high likelihood that the first user to undergo this upgrade process in my org besides me is one of my project managers who in the past has relied on me for Thinkpad advice...
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Daniel D. Helfrich,  Mechanical Systems Manager,  EOS Aura Project
NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Code 543, Greenbelt, MD, USA 20771
phone: (301)286-8481  fax: (301)286-1744 email: helfrich@gsfc.nasa.gov
------_=_NextPart_001_01BFAA4B.C817D55C-- From cph Wed Apr 19 18:21:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07068 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:21:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06325; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:21:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06240; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06209; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:21:00 -0400 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA08204 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port65.magma.ca [209.217.123.65]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA02781 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004192220.SAA02781@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:20:01 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Win 2000: OEM or retail? List-Unsubscribe: I've checked some local dealers and there are two main prices for Windows 2000 (Professional, upgrade from Win95). The boxed version is consistently C$299 (U$200) although one mail-order place wants C$279+shipping. I found a few sources of the OEM version for about 30% less (C$205-C$215). This is the CD only, possibly with a small "user guide". I have to assume this is legal if they're offering on their websites. Would this be a reasonable way to go? Does anyone know what else is in the box that I'd lose out on? Thanks! andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Wed Apr 19 18:40:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07190 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:40:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07373; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:39:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07285; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07272; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243 -> maynard.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:39:31 -0400 Received: from user-38lcdfj.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcdfj.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.53.243]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA22288; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004192239.SAA22288@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Dan Helfrich" , "Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <013801bfaa41$d3d1c740$01d7b780@dhelfrich.gsfc.nasa.gov> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Migration alternatives List-Unsubscribe: I don't think this makes sense to me but then again, I stay away from Win as much as I can. Why not just format the drive, install the apps, and then bring over the data and any special files or whatnot? On Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:56:38 -0400, Dan Helfrich wrote: >Greetings dear listmembers, > >For upgrading Thinkpad users from Win 9x to Win 2K on the Thinkpad 600X, my local system adminstrator Joel recommends alternative B, vs. the simpler(?) approach A: > >A: Install Office2K and other required apps compatible with Win NT/2K on the new machine fresh and then manually copy user data files over the network using a shared disk drive on the Win2K machine. Don't mess with apps not Win2K compatible. > >B: Install Win98SE over Win2K on the new machine. Don't bother with the many custom IBM drivers. Manually copy all "non-system" files including user files and applications onto the new machine. Re-install Win2K on the new machine overtop of Win 98SE. > >The benefit of B: There's no need to re-install all the applications software with approach B. > >I'm not ready to buy into Joel's approach. Any comments? > >PS. What makes this really interesting is the high likelihood that the first user to undergo this upgrade process in my org besides me is one of my project managers who in the past has relied on me for Thinkpad advice... >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Daniel D. Helfrich, Mechanical Systems Manager, EOS Aura Project >NASA Goddard Space Flight Center, Code 543, Greenbelt, MD, USA 20771 >phone: (301)286-8481 fax: (301)286-1744 email: helfrich@gsfc.nasa.gov > > From cph Wed Apr 19 18:45:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07236 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:45:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08167; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:44:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08091; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08072; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:44:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:44:48 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA13346 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:44:46 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003101bfaa50$f9eb0d60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: <2001593@panix.com> Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 12:45:34 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Tony wrote: "That may be the very best reason not to bid in the first place, but I don't see how it's a reason to bid but not to pay." I'm inclined to agree. While this is almost certainly a scam, the time to do homework on something like this is *before* bidding. If Donald backs out now - even if he uncovers compelling evidence that the auction is a scam - he is open to some attack, possibly even litigation. (Of course, this doesn't mean that he *should* send the money if he's sure it is a scam, merely that he is now in a situation of having to weigh the risk of being scammed against the risk of being hassled.) I hesitate to express an opinion about online auctions - last time I did so on this list, I was slammed personally - but if I *were* to offer an opinion, I would say that this is another problem with the things. Unlike a live auction - where you have probably checked the auction house's bona fides before entering the door, and in any event have the merchandise in front of you, with ebay and Yahoo and their ilk the gravitas of the hosting site can lull you into a false sense of security w/r to the actual seller, and you are liable to bid while your brain is powered down into websurf mode, which as we all know is a state not dissimilar to sleep:-) I'm sure we all wish Donald good luck in extricating himself gracefully (and legally) from this one. - David R. From cph Wed Apr 19 18:46:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07267 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:46:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08393; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:45:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08273; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08233; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243 -> maynard.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:45:08 -0400 Received: from user-38lcdfj.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcdfj.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.53.243]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA12453; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004192244.SAA12453@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "POSSI Discussion list" , "Stephen A. Carter" , "ThinkPad list" Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 07:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000419130340.6E4D815772@smtp02.mail.gol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP535E] Fun with MWave List-Unsubscribe: Somewhere deep in the bowels of the IBM web site there is a FAQ guiding the installation of OS/2 on Thinkpads. I used it on my 760CD and no problem. I had to take off OS/2 and use the dreaded 'doze for office work's sake, but if you find that faq, you likely will find the exact steps to use, which may well be different than what you have done. Good luck! On Wed, 19 Apr 200 0 22:10:07 +0900 (JST), Stephen A. Carter wrote: >I've just installed OS/2 Warp 4J, no fixpacks, on a Japan-market >ThinkPad 535E, wich has a 150 MHz MMX Pentium CPU and 72 MB of RAM. > >When installing the OS I was careful to install base Multimedia >support. After making sure the OS was installed and working >correctly, I installed the ThinkPad System Management Driver, then >MWave for OS/2 (no MIDI). The MWave installation seemed to complete >correctly, and at bootup I see the message from the MWAVEDD.SYS >driver as it's loaded, then the brief MWave copyright splash screen >right after the desktop appears. > >Here are the problems. > >- System sounds are apparently enabled, but there's no sound. >- When the MWave modem has been started (by double-clicking the modem >icon in the MWave folder), then anything that generates a system >sound crashes the desktop and displays a SYS3175 error. > >Any thoughts on how to start looking for a solution? > > >-- >Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. >mailto:scarter@hticn.com Nagoya, Japan >http://www.geekynetstuff.com PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD > > From cph Wed Apr 19 18:51:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07308 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:51:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09101; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:50:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09018; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09005; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:50:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (207.115.153.22 -> smtppop3.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 18:50:18 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop3.gte.net with SMTP for ; id RAA17529808 Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:50:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004192250.RAA17529808@smtppop3.gte.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:50:17 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Wed, 19 Apr 2000 14:14:41 +0100 (BST) > what is this 'circle' scam In this case, it appears that there are 10 user IDs involved. They may all be the same person. What I suspect is that a bogus auction was set up for each user involving multiples of an item. For each auction, the 9 other users bid high enough to win at least one item from the auction, then posted positive feedback about the seller. So each of the 10 users has positive feedback from each of the other 9 users, giving them a feedback rating of 9 (actually, 4 of them only have ratings of 8). Now one of the users sets up another auction of multiple items, but the other 9 don't bid. You now have a seller who has been rated highly by 8 or 9 other people, so you are supposed to feel comfortable about sending cash to Canada. Looking at the auctions that were won by the participants in this suspicious deal, it is interesting to note that all of them started between 7:52 PM and 8:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time on April 14. Most of them ended within 90 minutes or less. All feedback for all auctions was posted 2 days later. I have bought many things on ebay; the fastest I ever received any item was one week >from the close of the auction. Everything about this deal says "scam". The circular part is the posting of positive feedback by all the users involved regarding the character of all the other users involved _as sellers_. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/19/00, 17:50:15 From cph Wed Apr 19 19:14:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA07482 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:14:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10770; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:13:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10596; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10583; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:13:19 -0400 Received: from whistler.az.com (ip-216.145.8.254.az.com [216.145.8.254]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA24988 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:14:54 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Received: from Buck ([10.66.45.236]) by whistler.az.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA93135 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:16:07 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <200004192316.QAA93135@whistler.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 00 16:25:57 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP 365XD Problem List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Just recently I was at my parents place fixing up my mom's printer problem and updating her recovery CD. And I noticed that my Thinkpad won't go into suspend or hibernation (either OS/2 or Windows 95B). I have tried fixing the problem in windows first. When I press Fn -F12 or Fn- F4, the light that indicated suspend starts to blink (like it normally would) but then never stops. Just sits there blinking endlessly. The only way to stop it is to power off at the switch. It is very annoying since it is quite nice to suspend, go get something to eat or whatever I need to do, and then open Twiki back up and continue where I left off. I have gone into power management to remove and then re-create hibernate file. Nothing. I have disabled all power management, rebooted, enabled power mangement and then rebooted again (hoping to clear any gremlins) but alas that didn't work at all. While typing this e-mail I just thought about the matrix (driver page, not the movie) and wondered if there might be a new APM out. Anyways, any other ideas/thoughts and laughter would be greatly appreciated. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Wed Apr 19 19:20:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA07558 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:20:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11332; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:20:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11237; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11223; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:19:59 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id TAA02561; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:19:58 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id TAA03325; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000419160622.009e7e20@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:15:32 -0700 To: m.o.davis@gte.net, TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo In-Reply-To: <200004192250.RAA17529808@smtppop3.gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 05:50 PM 04/19/2000 +0000, you wrote: >Looking at the auctions that were won by the participants in this suspicious >deal, it is interesting to note that all of them started between 7:52 PM and >8:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time on April 14. Most of them ended within 90 >minutes or less. All feedback for all auctions was posted 2 days later. I have >bought many things on ebay; the fastest I ever received any item was one week >from the close of the auction. While I agree with your suspicions, speed alone isn't a suspiscious factor. As a matter of fact, I sell software on eBay all the time and one of my hallmarks has been the speed of my shipping. I get paid--I ship immediately via U.S. Priority (which is typically 2-day delivery). Its entirely possible (and it has happened frequently) that a buyer could win, pay ASAP via PayPal, and I might ship as early as the same day--meaning he'd have it within 2 days. I've got a list of feedbacks that marvel at my speed of shipping. :-) For what its worth, even after years of successful on-line transactions, even I fell for one scam job just a couple of months ago. I got suckered in on a good deal for a portable DVD player and allowed a wire transfer of funds. It was too late when I realized what happened (and suddenly the negative feedbacks on this guy started coming in)--he already had my money. In my case, I was lucky-- was able to get the transaction reversed based on fraud (my argument being that I never authorized the transfer--that the account number was given only to verify funds availability, and the fake "check" document that cleared my bank did *not* have my signature on it, making it invalid. Thankfully, I was successful in recovering my $870. It did serve as a reality check for me though. I had gotten too complacent. There's no question--it was a scam job. And Dave...there is no realistic worry of legal action, even if the seller *is* legit. Bottom line? If it smells bad, get the hell out--even if it means a negative feedback (because realistically, that's the greatest penalty it will cost you). From cph Wed Apr 19 21:56:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA08590 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:56:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18555; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:52:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18259; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18246; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:52:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (207.115.153.22 -> smtppop3.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 21:52:30 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop3.gte.net with SMTP for ; id UAA14073340 Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:52:17 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004200152.UAA14073340@smtppop3.gte.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:52:29 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from Randal Whittle Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:15:32 -0700 > Its entirely possible (and it has happened frequently) that a > buyer could win, pay ASAP via PayPal, and I might ship as early as the same > day--meaning he'd have it within 2 days. I like PayPal, but that was not one of the payment options listed in any of these auctions. You are technically correct that 2-day shipping is not impossible with internet auctions. I feel that it is highly unlikely and, with the other evidence that exists in this case, highly suspicious. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/19/00, 20:52:27 From cph Wed Apr 19 22:17:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA08831 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:17:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19963; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:16:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19883; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:16:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww187.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19870; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww187.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.87 -> ww187.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:16:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 19735 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Apr 2000 02:16:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20000420021634.19734.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.87 by ww187 for [24.25.116.180] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Thu Apr 20 02:16:34 GMT 2000 Date: 19 Apr 00 21:16:34 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "Andrew Webber" Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? CC: ThinkPad Mailing List X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA08832 "Andrew Webber" wrote: > I found a few sources of the OEM version for about 30% less > (C$205-C$215). This is the CD only, possibly with a small "user > guide". I have to assume this is legal if they're offering on > their websites. Would this be a reasonable way to go? Does anyone > know what else is in the box that I'd lose out on? > > Thanks! Well, by definition, OEM software is supposed to only be delivered with a new PC, not sold separately. I doubt that the OEM version is missing anything particularly valuable that the retail version has, but YMMV. Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Wed Apr 19 22:41:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA09008 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:41:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21616; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:40:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:40:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21537; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21524; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:40:15 -0400 Received: from thinkpad ([12.79.29.39]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000420024012.ZOSA6491.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@thinkpad> for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:40:12 +0000 Message-ID: <000001be8ad7$0202eb20$271d4f0c@thinkpad> From: "Melanie Mak" To: Subject: RingCentral Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 23:51:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE89F6.6A16ECC0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE89F6.6A16ECC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Do the Thinkpads that come preinstalled with WinNT have a version of = RingCentral or some other phone/Fax software installed? I would like to get rid of Win98 and stay with Win2K but RingCentral = doesn't seem to=20 work with Win2k and a decent phone/fax program is important.=20 Don ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE89F6.6A16ECC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Do the Thinkpads that come preinstalled = with WinNT=20 have a version of RingCentral
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I would like to get rid of Win98 and = stay with=20 Win2K but RingCentral doesn't seem to
work with Win2k and a decent phone/fax = program is=20 important.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01BE89F6.6A16ECC0-- From cph Wed Apr 19 22:48:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA09044 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:48:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22539; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:47:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22448; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22420; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.37 -> hnlmail3.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:47:42 -0400 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.252.247]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:47:38 -1000 Message-ID: <001501bfaa72$f06afbc0$f7fc1918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <20000420021634.19734.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:48:40 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: --Have any of guys or gals tested win 2K? An associate of mine tested the beta, and said it was horrible. He said it was really unstable and still needed a lot of work. Some of the local computer instructors on my island have shown us the numerous security holes that it has built into it. Which can really be dangerous if you're on a cable or DSL modem. I dunno, I'm waiting until they release the second edition version. Just my 2 cents. --Keith Keith Wong System Admin - Document Imaging Honolulu Police Department - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Bell To: Andrew Webber Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:16 PM Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? "Andrew Webber" wrote: > I found a few sources of the OEM version for about 30% less > (C$205-C$215). This is the CD only, possibly with a small "user > guide". I have to assume this is legal if they're offering on > their websites. Would this be a reasonable way to go? Does anyone > know what else is in the box that I'd lose out on? > > Thanks! Well, by definition, OEM software is supposed to only be delivered with a new PC, not sold separately. I doubt that the OEM version is missing anything particularly valuable that the retail version has, but YMMV. Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Wed Apr 19 22:56:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA09074 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:56:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23267; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:55:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23091; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23078; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.32 -> smtp.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 22:55:35 -0400 Received: from 1cust30.tnt8.lax3.da.uu.net (HELO tp600e) (63.23.75.30) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Apr 2000 19:55:31 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Message-ID: <001501bfaa74$1c1045e0$0200a8c0@tp600e> Reply-To: "James" From: "James" To: "Keith @ LavaNet" Cc: "Thinkpad" References: <20000420021634.19734.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> <001501bfaa72$f06afbc0$f7fc1918@hawaii.rr.com> Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:57:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Keith, I have been using Win2K since beta 2 and found it very stable, even comparing to my Linux server ( kernal 2.2.15) . For workstations, I set them up to dual boot into Win98 and one the same hardware, Win2k is significantly more stable and faster. Simple task such as copying files from the network to a local drive and copying another file two a zip drive, Win98SE is very slow and I can barely netvigate but on Win2k, I can continue to do other stuff. The only time when I found Win2k to be unstable is when I setup TP with NFST and install the second hard drive in the ultraslim slots and take it out - it crashed the system. Apparently Win2k couldn't find the paging file for some strange reason. However this problem didn't show up with Fat32. James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 7:48 PM Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? > --Have any of guys or gals tested win 2K? An associate of mine tested the > beta, and said it was horrible. He said it was really unstable and still > needed a lot of work. Some of the local computer instructors on my island > have shown us the numerous security holes that it has built into it. Which > can really be dangerous if you're on a cable or DSL modem. I dunno, I'm > waiting until they release the second edition version. Just my 2 cents. > > --Keith > > > Keith Wong > System Admin - Document Imaging > Honolulu Police Department - Records Division > Office: (808) 529-3434 > Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com > pirate@lava.net > kwong@email.uophx.edu > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rob Bell > To: Andrew Webber > Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? > > > "Andrew Webber" wrote: > > I found a few sources of the OEM version for about 30% less > > (C$205-C$215). This is the CD only, possibly with a small "user > > guide". I have to assume this is legal if they're offering on > > their websites. Would this be a reasonable way to go? Does anyone > > know what else is in the box that I'd lose out on? > > > > Thanks! > > Well, by definition, OEM software is supposed to only be delivered with a > new > PC, not sold separately. > > I doubt that the OEM version is missing anything particularly valuable that > the retail version has, but YMMV. > > Rob > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Wed Apr 19 23:37:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA09311 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:37:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25219; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:36:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25142; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25129; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:36:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:36:46 -0400 Received: from Hades ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA12660; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: "'James'" , "'TP List'" Subject: RE: Win 2000: OEM or retail? Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:33:17 -0500 Message-ID: <000301bfaa81$8d60d5e0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001501bfaa74$1c1045e0$0200a8c0@tp600e> List-Unsubscribe: James, What are your steps for the install? For example, are you installing W2K first, then W98, or vice versa? Are you starting from a fresh machine? I only ask because in NT it made a difference. Any "gotchas?" Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: James [mailto:jamesclai@yahoo.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 8:57 PM > To: Keith @ LavaNet > Cc: Thinkpad > Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? > > > Keith, > I have been using Win2K since beta 2 and found it very stable, even > comparing to my Linux server ( kernal 2.2.15) . For > workstations, I set them > up to dual boot into Win98 and one the same hardware, Win2k > is significantly From cph Thu Apr 20 00:36:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA09713 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:36:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28317; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:35:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:33:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28182; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28169; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.101 -> pilot001.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:33:56 -0400 Received: from android.msu.edu (port20.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.21]) by pilot001.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA14206 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:33:52 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000420002647.00d12100@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 00:34:16 -0400 To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? In-Reply-To: <001501bfaa72$f06afbc0$f7fc1918@hawaii.rr.com> References: <20000420021634.19734.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: W2K is *not* secure, but is probably better than any previous version of NT. I looked at an early beta and after determining its self crashing abilities, I put it down. Subsequent testing by friends proved that it got much better, and other people here on this list have confirmed this. However, it isn't secure. Just how many holes there are no one yet knows, but I don't think this software is going to be any different than anything else MS has come out with, so I wouldn't use it on the net for critical things--I use OpenBSD instead (http://www.openbsd.org). I'm curious about Windows Millennium myself--its supposed to be the replacement for Win98. I'd like that to be real but I'm not holding my breath. STeve Andre' At 04:48 PM 4/19/00 -1000, Keith @ LavaNet wrote: >--Have any of guys or gals tested win 2K? An associate of mine tested the >beta, and said it was horrible. He said it was really unstable and still >needed a lot of work. Some of the local computer instructors on my island >have shown us the numerous security holes that it has built into it. Which >can really be dangerous if you're on a cable or DSL modem. I dunno, I'm >waiting until they release the second edition version. Just my 2 cents. > > --Keith > > >Keith Wong >System Admin - Document Imaging >Honolulu Police Department - Records Division >Office: (808) 529-3434 >Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com > pirate@lava.net > kwong@email.uophx.edu >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rob Bell >To: Andrew Webber >Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List >Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:16 PM >Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? > > >"Andrew Webber" wrote: > > I found a few sources of the OEM version for about 30% less > > (C$205-C$215). This is the CD only, possibly with a small "user > > guide". I have to assume this is legal if they're offering on > > their websites. Would this be a reasonable way to go? Does anyone > > know what else is in the box that I'd lose out on? > > > > Thanks! > >Well, by definition, OEM software is supposed to only be delivered with a >new >PC, not sold separately. > >I doubt that the OEM version is missing anything particularly valuable that >the retail version has, but YMMV. > >Rob > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at >http://webmail.netscape.com. > From cph Thu Apr 20 02:36:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA10110 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:36:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02316; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:36:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:33:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01998; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01984; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 02:33:41 -0400 Received: from whistler.az.com (ip-216.145.8.254.az.com [216.145.8.254]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA08639 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:34:58 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Received: from Buck ([10.66.49.226]) by whistler.az.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA11444 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:35:55 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <200004200635.XAA11444@whistler.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 00 23:45:41 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Which model should I buy? List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 16 Apr 2000 18:10:57 -0400, andy goldstein wrote: >screen, typing on it, etc? I am also considering the 760 and 770 >series, but I am interested in running Linux and have read that the >MWave sound card/modem is a pain to use in anything but Windows. (I >don't really care about the modem, but sound is a definite plus.) Speed >isn't really an issue, since I basically need to be able to use >Microsoft Word or the equivalent. Does anyone have any suggestions >about which models are good and which ones to avoid? I'd appreciate any >input on the subject. Overall, I can't complain about my TP 365XD. It's been a very good laptop for school and now joining my home network. The only real buggar about it is that the wrist rests aren't very big compared to other TP's. So my only input would be make sure you get the TFT (active matrix) screen. My $0.02 Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Thu Apr 20 06:22:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA10752 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:22:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17503; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:20:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17307; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaae.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17294; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaae.compuserve.com (149.174.177.154 -> hs-img-5.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:20:09 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id GAA11404 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:20:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:19:31 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Modem/Telephony cables...? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200004200619_MC2-A1EC-A07C@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id GAA10753 I am looking for the modem/telephony cables (Connnectivity kit) for the 755CD Thinkpad model Can anyone help? Many thanks Mark UK From cph Thu Apr 20 07:01:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA11029 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:01:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18640; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:55:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18513; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18492; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 06:55:26 -0400 Received: from lorie ([199.179.168.173]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20000420062055.ENX29677.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@lorie>; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 01:20:55 -0500 Message-ID: <001101bfaa8e$b7d794a0$1396f2cc@lorie.designcraft.com> From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "Dan Helfrich" , Subject: Re: Migration alternatives Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 01:07:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFAA64.CE0D68A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFAA64.CE0D68A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dan, =20 Option B sounds pretty sloppy. Worse than that it may not get all the apps running as it doesn't bring over registry data. Did you know you can do an inplace upgrade of win9x to win2k? I like to do clean installs as much as the next guy, but you may want to consider this as option C. I would definitely put IBM = Win2k/NT and remove the IBM win9x that's there now. You might find this downloadable program useful for determining hardware/app readiness in advance of upgrading: =20 http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/upgrade/compat/ready.asp =20 =20 Good luck, Aaron Brown =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFAA64.CE0D68A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Dan,
 
  Option B sounds pretty = sloppy. =20 Worse than that it may not get all
  Did you know you can do = an inplace=20 upgrade of win9x to win2k?
I like to=20 do clean installs as much as the next guy, but you may
want to consider this as = option C.  I=20 would definitely put IBM Win2k/NT
and remove the IBM win9x that's = there=20 now.
  You=20 might find this downloadable program useful for = determining
hardware/app readiness in = advance of upgrading:
 
ht= tp://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/upgrade/compat/ready.asp
 
 
Good luck,
Aaron Brown
 
------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFAA64.CE0D68A0-- From cph Thu Apr 20 07:27:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA11072 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:27:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19685; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:21:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19530; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19514; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.35 -> hnlmail2.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 07:21:25 -0400 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.228.105]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 01:21:21 -1000 Message-ID: <001401bfaaba$b4fece20$69e41918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: "thinkpad" References: <200004200619_MC2-A1EC-A07C@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Modem/Telephony cables...? Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 01:22:26 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: --Mark take a look at www.mobileplanet.com. They've got some pretty cool modem cable kits. I think I saw one there were it's a small little handheld, and you press a button and it winds up the cable for you. I'll email you the product name if I come across it again. I want one for my upcoming trip. =) --Keith Keith Wong System Admin - Document Imaging Honolulu Police Department - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 12:19 AM Subject: Modem/Telephony cables...? I am looking for the modem/telephony cables (Connnectivity kit) for the 755CD Thinkpad model Can anyone help? Many thanks Mark UK From cph Thu Apr 20 09:32:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA11798 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:32:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27925; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:31:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:29:56 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27653; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:29:55 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id JAA08652 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25454; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:08:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (193.52.64.50 -> uhbhic.uhb.fr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 09:08:50 -0400 Received: from tp-560 (cb1343-rec.rec.uhb.fr [172.16.5.13]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.3) with SMTP id PAA12224 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:08:08 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <38FE3D40.6C46@uhb.fr> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:10:54 +0200 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04Gold (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: What HD can a 560z take ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I know this has been brought up before, but things are far from clear to me... I have a 560z (PII-233, 32Mb, 4Gb) and I'd like to upgrade the HD. Considering the fact that a 560 can take 9mm and 12.5mm HDs (I know this >from Mr. Bill Morrow), the new hardrive could be as big as Toshiba's 12Gb (1Mb Cache !) or IBM's 18Gb. But I've read somewhere that a 560 can only take up to 6.4Gb. Furthermore, Bill Morrow's most excellent hard drive page seems to indicate the same... Does this limitation apply to the whole 560 line, or only to old models ? Is it a BIOS thing ? Did anyone try to put a bigger than 6.4Gb HD into a 560(z) ? If this is possible, is it easy ? Where do I find instructions ? AAAAAAAAARRRRGHHH !!! To many questions. Please, anyone, help ! From cph Thu Apr 20 10:25:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA12132 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:25:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01903; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:24:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01810; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mi8.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01797; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mi8.com (63.68.243.13 -> mail.mi8.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:24:35 -0400 Received: from nycexbh01.mi8.com (unverified) by mail.mi8.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.1.2) with ESMTP id ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:21:01 -0400 Received: by nycexbh01.mi8.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:19:38 -0400 Message-ID: <37E1E2BB9C28D311AB390008C707D2A6030F0F85@nycexis01.mi8.com> From: Steve Hultquist To: "Keith @ LavaNet" , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: RE: Win 2000: OEM or retail? Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:19:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFAAD3.753812F6" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFAAD3.753812F6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" That's interesting. I have been running Win2k since beta 3 and it has been the most stable Microsoft OS by far. It's on a par with Linux, in my opinion. The security is reasonably tight, as well, depending on how you configure it, of course. If you're using any version of Windows, my recommendation is you run, not walk, to get Win2k on your machine. If you're running Linux, don't bother unless you need native Windows for some reason. ssh -----Original Message----- From: Keith @ LavaNet [mailto:pirate@lava.net] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 8:49 PM To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? --Have any of guys or gals tested win 2K? An associate of mine tested the beta, and said it was horrible. He said it was really unstable and still needed a lot of work. Some of the local computer instructors on my island have shown us the numerous security holes that it has built into it. Which can really be dangerous if you're on a cable or DSL modem. I dunno, I'm waiting until they release the second edition version. Just my 2 cents. --Keith Keith Wong System Admin - Document Imaging Honolulu Police Department - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Bell To: Andrew Webber Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:16 PM Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? "Andrew Webber" wrote: > I found a few sources of the OEM version for about 30% less > (C$205-C$215). This is the CD only, possibly with a small "user > guide". I have to assume this is legal if they're offering on > their websites. Would this be a reasonable way to go? Does anyone > know what else is in the box that I'd lose out on? > > Thanks! Well, by definition, OEM software is supposed to only be delivered with a new PC, not sold separately. I doubt that the OEM version is missing anything particularly valuable that the retail version has, but YMMV. Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFAAD3.753812F6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Win 2000: OEM or retail?

That's interesting. I have been running Win2k since = beta 3 and it has been the most stable Microsoft OS by far. It's on a = par with Linux, in my opinion. The security is reasonably tight, as = well, depending on how you configure it, of course. If you're using any = version of Windows, my recommendation is you run, not walk, to get = Win2k on your machine. If you're running Linux, don't bother unless you = need native Windows for some reason.

ssh

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith @ LavaNet [mailto:pirate@lava.net]
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 8:49 PM
To: ThinkPad Mailing List
Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail?


--Have any of guys or gals tested win 2K?  An = associate of mine tested the
beta, and said it was horrible.  He said it was = really unstable and still
needed a lot of work.  Some of the local = computer instructors on my island
have shown us the numerous security holes that it = has built into it.  Which
can really be dangerous if you're on a cable or DSL = modem.  I dunno, I'm
waiting until they release the second edition = version.  Just my 2 cents.

    --Keith


Keith Wong
System Admin - Document Imaging
Honolulu Police Department - Records Division
Office:   (808) 529-3434
Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com
          &nb= sp;     pirate@lava.net
          &nb= sp;     kwong@email.uophx.edu
----- Original Message -----
From: Rob Bell <rbell1@netscape.net>
To: Andrew Webber = <awebber@wwwebbers.com>
Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List = <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail?


"Andrew Webber" = <awebber@wwwebbers.com> wrote:
> I found a few sources of the OEM version for = about 30% less
> (C$205-C$215).  This is the CD only, = possibly with a small "user
> guide".  I have to assume this is = legal if they're offering on
> their websites.  Would this be a = reasonable way to go?  Does anyone
> know what else is in the box that I'd lose out = on?
>
> Thanks!

Well, by definition, OEM software is supposed to only = be delivered with a
new
PC, not sold separately.

I doubt that the OEM version is missing anything = particularly valuable that
the retail version has, but YMMV.

Rob

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------_=_NextPart_001_01BFAAD3.753812F6-- From cph Thu Apr 20 10:44:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA12261 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:44:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03495; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:43:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03357; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03343; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.200.11 -> mill.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:43:20 -0400 Received: from mill.cisco.com (mill.cisco.com [161.44.200.11]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id KAA09272; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:42:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: Steve Hultquist cc: "Keith @ LavaNet" , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: RE: Win 2000: OEM or retail? In-Reply-To: <37E1E2BB9C28D311AB390008C707D2A6030F0F85@nycexis01.mi8.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, Steve Hultquist wrote: > That's interesting. I have been running Win2k since beta 3 and it has been > the most stable Microsoft OS by far. It's on a par with Linux, in my > opinion. The security is reasonably tight, as well, depending on how you > configure it, of course. If you're using any version of Windows, my > recommendation is you run, not walk, to get Win2k on your machine. If you're > running Linux, don't bother unless you need native Windows for some reason. Speaking as a Linux devotee, it hurts me to say it, but I largely agree. W2K *does* still have some rough edges, and annoys me a lot in the ways that Windows annoys me, but it's also a whole lot better at h/w detection, installation, and stability than previous versions. Lord knows it'll never become my primary platform, but I do use it from time to time, whereas I *NEVER* installed NT or '9x on a home computer. (Of course, I also installed it 'cause I needed it for Turbo Tax, but I won't go there.) I've also been on the Cisco W2K rollout team, and have been generally impressed with it. If W2K had been released as NT 4.0, Linux would never have been able to get the groundswell of support it's gotten. As it stands, Linux *finally* has something from Microsoft worthy of being called competition. [So now it's time for kernel rev. 2.4 to kick its fanny! ;-) ] Ken D'Ambrosio SysAdmin, Cisco Systems, Inc. > > ssh > > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith @ LavaNet [mailto:pirate@lava.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 8:49 PM > To: ThinkPad Mailing List > Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? > > > --Have any of guys or gals tested win 2K? An associate of mine tested the > beta, and said it was horrible. He said it was really unstable and still > needed a lot of work. Some of the local computer instructors on my island > have shown us the numerous security holes that it has built into it. Which > can really be dangerous if you're on a cable or DSL modem. I dunno, I'm > waiting until they release the second edition version. Just my 2 cents. > > --Keith > > > Keith Wong > System Admin - Document Imaging > Honolulu Police Department - Records Division > Office: (808) 529-3434 > Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com > pirate@lava.net > kwong@email.uophx.edu > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Rob Bell > To: Andrew Webber > Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List > Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? > > > "Andrew Webber" wrote: > > I found a few sources of the OEM version for about 30% less > > (C$205-C$215). This is the CD only, possibly with a small "user > > guide". I have to assume this is legal if they're offering on > > their websites. Would this be a reasonable way to go? Does anyone > > know what else is in the box that I'd lose out on? > > > > Thanks! > > Well, by definition, OEM software is supposed to only be delivered with a > new > PC, not sold separately. > > I doubt that the OEM version is missing anything particularly valuable that > the retail version has, but YMMV. > > Rob > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com. > > From cph Thu Apr 20 11:14:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12525 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:14:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06008; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:14:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:13:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05903; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05889; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:13:35 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax22.vramp.net [198.138.8.85]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA09043; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:12:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: What HD can a 560z take ? Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:17:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <38FE3D40.6C46@uhb.fr> List-Unsubscribe: Sylvestre, Check the IBM support site for your latest BIOS: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3QYK7L.html and also make sure you have the latest display drivers: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/BBOD-3HHRYY.html A quick reading of the BIOS update description doesn't appear to support HDs larger than 6.4GB, sorry. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: sylvestre.meininger@Uhb.Fr [mailto:sylvestre.meininger@Uhb.Fr] > Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 8:11 AM > To: ThinkPad Mailing List > Subject: What HD can a 560z take ? > > > I know this has been brought up before, but things are far from clear to > me... > > I have a 560z (PII-233, 32Mb, 4Gb) and I'd like to upgrade the HD. > > Considering the fact that a 560 can take 9mm and 12.5mm HDs (I know this > from Mr. Bill Morrow), the new hardrive could be as big as Toshiba's > 12Gb (1Mb Cache !) or IBM's 18Gb. > But I've read somewhere that a 560 can only take up to 6.4Gb. > Furthermore, Bill Morrow's most excellent hard drive page seems to > indicate the same... > > Does this limitation apply to the whole 560 line, or only to old models > ? > Is it a BIOS thing ? Did anyone try to put a bigger than 6.4Gb HD into a > 560(z) ? If this is possible, is it easy ? Where do I find instructions > ? > > AAAAAAAAARRRRGHHH !!! > > To many questions. Please, anyone, help ! > From cph Thu Apr 20 11:32:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12622 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:32:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09655; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:32:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09553; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09539; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 11:32:08 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JOGF4KVUO08WYSUY@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:35:12 CST Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:35:12 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: My contribution to this list To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I have always received much help from this list but i seldom give back. well, this is my chance. http://www.microsoft.com/directaccess/training/sales/hotkit/win2000.asp For only $129 you get 1) Windows 2000 Professional 2) Windows 2000 Advanced Server Enjoy :) BTW, this is not spam, if you guys dont like to see these kind of discount stuff please let me know and i wont post it. From cph Thu Apr 20 13:35:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13434 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:35:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21881; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:34:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21691; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21644; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (192.160.13.1 -> bolero.rahul.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:34:27 -0400 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA13892 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:34:25 -0700 Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by bolero.rahul.net (Postfix) with SMTP id D11159700A for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 13879 invoked from network); 20 Apr 2000 17:34:22 -0000 Received: from m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com (HELO NewPad) (198.144.205.90) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 20 Apr 2000 17:34:22 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: , "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Subject: RE: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:34:22 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000419160622.009e7e20@pop3.iceka1.com> List-Unsubscribe: > There's no question--it was a scam job. And Dave...there is no > realistic worry of legal action, even if the seller *is* legit. Bottom > line? If it smells bad, get the hell out--even if it means a negative > feedback (because realistically, that's the greatest penalty it > will cost you). This is not just a blatant scam, but a hilarious one. Look at those user names! All in the exact same style. Donald, I'm with Randal on this--I'd save a copy of that happy little feedback circle for evidence and politely tell the scammer you're backing out because of his feedback fraud. And let Yahoo know about it--especially if he does hit you with negative feedback. I would think they take this kind of deceptive feedback seriously. -Mike p.s. For late arrivals to the thread, the auction is at: http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/23317486 From cph Thu Apr 20 13:51:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13523 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23588; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23420; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaad.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23406; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaad.compuserve.com (149.174.206.137 -> ds-img-4.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:19 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id NAA00134 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:01 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Port replicator through USB / PCI expansion Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200004201351_MC2-A201-7989@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA13524 Also, Look at the Xircom Portsaton range which offers same in modular add-on format. I have the office starter kit less the power supply! (ex promo model) It is 15V 2.43A regulated if anyone can advise a good place UK to get a similar AC unit??!! ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: "Andrew Webber", INTERNET:awebber@wwwebbers.com TO: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu", INTERNET:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu DATE: 19/04/2000 20:20 RE: Port replicator through USB / PCI expansion I saw this at Computer City. www.mobilityelectronics.com (model 200). It seems to be a univeral port replicator that works through the USB port. What's nice about this physically is that it doesn't have to be right under/behind the notebook, it can be (well, _is_) connected with a USB cable. Also, although it's got a series of idiot lights up the "front" (the curved side shown on the site), it could easily be placed with all the connectors showing. Comes with parallel, serial, keyboard, PS/2 mouse, 5 USBs, and an optional ethernet connection. (I think that's it, but the PDF datasheet link is dead). Any thoughts on this? Surely there is a hit on the ethernet connection, but apart >from that (or not using that), is this a good solution. Price is U$150 for what I think is the non-ethernet version. Also seen on this site is the model 2000 (no price, "coming soon") which looks like a mini-tower computer. No a port replicator, it's got 4 drive bays, 3 full-length PCI slots, and a couple of USB ports. Connects to the notebook using a CardBus slot. This sounds interesting, but I wonder if the same thing couldn be accomplished by networking a second computer, at least wrt additional drive capacity. The model 3000 is a combination: all the ports of the 200, but only 2 half-length PCI slots and only 2 bays. Without knowing the cost of the 2000 and 3000, do these things make any sense? And what about that model 200? Thanks! ----------------------- Internet Header -------------------------------- Sender: owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by sphmgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) with ESMTP id PAA29777 for <100550.3170@compuserve.com>; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18638; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:20:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18604; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18590; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:20:38 -0400 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA04471 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port65.magma.ca [209.217.123.65]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA08944 for ; Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004191920.PAA08944@mail3.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 15:19:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Port replicator through USB / PCI expansion List-Unsubscribe: From cph Thu Apr 20 13:51:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13527 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23611; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23506; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaac.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23461; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaac.compuserve.com (149.174.177.148 -> hs-img-3.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:24 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id NAA11525 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:50:59 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200004201351_MC2-A201-7987@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA13528 ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: INTERNET:m.o.davis@gte.net, INTERNET:m.o.davis@gte.net TO: Thinkpad List, INTERNET:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu DATE: 19/04/2000 23:07 RE: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo >..." He also has another auction that has ended, #22974097, where he lists an address and phone and fax numbers in Pueblo, Colorado. So why does he need to receive the money in Canada? All of his "happy customers" have buyer's feedback posted by him and by each of the other customers. Answer - Tax evasion...? From cph Thu Apr 20 13:52:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13535 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:52:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23844; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23748; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23729; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.177.150 -> hs-img-1.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:51 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id NAA27915 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:50:58 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Option on AC connector blocks... Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200004201351_MC2-A201-7986@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA13536 Following the recent thread on the problems with repairing the weak/strained cable on the AC adapter at the PC connector end... I took a look at the cables in the Thinkpad Travel charger kits I am selling. These come with a cable that provides a passthrough from the charger to the laptop and has both the three pin and 4 pin connector blocks - one at each end! These could be simply employed by cutting the *cable* and just rejoing the cable with the appropriate end?? If anyone is interested, I sell the Travel kits for ukpounds 37.50 so, this might be a cheaper solution than a new AC block in total?? I have a scan if anyone would like to mail me... Mark UK From cph Thu Apr 20 14:06:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA13675 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:06:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25719; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:05:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25637; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25624; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:05:49 -0400 Received: from 207-172-49-73.s73.tnt7.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.49.73]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iLJx-0000mG-00; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:04:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:05:48 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <13587.000420@erols.com> To: "Michael Geary" CC: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Subject: Re[2]: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Michael, Thursday, April 20, 2000, 1:34:22 PM, you wrote: >> There's no question--it was a scam job. And Dave...there is no >> realistic worry of legal action, even if the seller *is* legit. Bottom >> line? If it smells bad, get the hell out--even if it means a negative >> feedback (because realistically, that's the greatest penalty it >> will cost you). > This is not just a blatant scam, but a hilarious one. Look at those user > names! All in the exact same style. Donald, I'm with Randal on this--I'd > save a copy of that happy little feedback circle for evidence and politely > tell the scammer you're backing out because of his feedback fraud. And let > Yahoo know about it--especially if he does hit you with negative feedback. I > would think they take this kind of deceptive feedback seriously. > -Mike > p.s. For late arrivals to the thread, the auction is at: > http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/23317486 I emailed the guy (sales@itsmycomputer.com) whose Colorado address is listed in Playin586's first aution (http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/22974097 ) and here is his reply: "Hi, I looked at the auction in reference. It is a cheap copy of our ad. But we are in no way affiliated with playin586. If you're interested in our laptops, look for items by greatlaptops. Best Regards, Jeremiah MyComputer" playin586 did send me this message in reply to my request for the address of someone who bought from his previous auction. He does love those someName123@hotmail.com accounts. "for what reason. i will but dont tell them i gave it to you. bobbydigital87@hotmail.com. thanks" Sorry to get everyone so riled up about this. I thought I was sharing a 'good' deal on a 600. Then I realized that $800 for a 600e was too good to be true. Things that appear to be too good to be true usually are. I will pursue this with Yahoo. BTW, he wanted the CASH sent to D Herrera in Thornhill, Ontario. -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Thu Apr 20 15:30:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14359 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:30:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03821; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:29:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03618; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03603; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:29:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (207.115.153.20 -> smtppop1.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:29:30 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop1.gte.net with SMTP for ; id OAA18155878 Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:28:39 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004201928.OAA18155878@smtppop1.gte.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:29:28 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: Re[2]: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from Donald MacQueen Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:05:48 -0400 > Sorry to get everyone so riled up about this. I'm not riled up, I'm having fun! This just keeps getting better. Now we find that he just copied the text from another auction, leaving the email and smail addresses and the phone and fax numbers intact. What a maroon! I know it's technically off topic, but unless there are strong objections from other members I would like for you to keep the list informed about what happens to this guy. It's been very entertaining so far. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/20/00, 14:29:26 From cph Thu Apr 20 15:39:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14416 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:39:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04820; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:38:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04738; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04725; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 15:38:40 -0400 Received: from [216.59.0.202] (216.59.0.202) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.012) id 38FD5B1800051991 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:38:23 -0700 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200004201928.OAA18155878@smtppop1.gte.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 12:38:37 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: Re: Re[2]: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo List-Unsubscribe: >but unless there are strong objections from other >members I would like for you to keep the list informed about what happens to >this guy. It's been very entertaining so far. Keep on updating us! This is fun. I love seeing jerks get their due. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! Micros~1 engineers are weenies! Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Thu Apr 20 16:43:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA14875 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:43:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10652; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:40:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10269; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10235; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:40:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA02254; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:40:44 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:40:43 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: "STeve Andre'" cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000420002647.00d12100@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, STeve Andre' wrote: > W2K is *not* secure, but is probably better than any previous version of NT. > I looked at an early beta and after determining its self crashing abilities, I > put it down. Subsequent testing by friends proved that it got much better, > and other people here on this list have confirmed this. It's probably the best NT yet. =) > However, it isn't secure. Just how many holes there are no one yet knows, > but I don't think this software is going to be any different than anything else > MS has come out with, so I wouldn't use it on the net for critical > things--I use > OpenBSD instead (http://www.openbsd.org). or FreeBSD (http://www.FreeBSD.ORG). > I'm curious about Windows Millennium myself--its supposed to be the > replacement for Win98. I'd like that to be real but I'm not holding > my breath. I'm running Win ME Beta 3 Build 2509 on my 770Z 9549-8AU and everything seems to be working fine except I had to use PowerDVD instead of Microsoft ME DVDPlayer or DVD Express since both would hang the machine solid. ANother thing of interest is that it seems like even thoug Device Manager looks correct, if I had my 3Com 3CCFEM656B 10/100 NIC + 56k modem CardBus 32bit PCMCIA Card installed but the 3Com modem is enabled, then the TP modem would keep saying the port is already open. The only way for the TP modem to work is to disable the device. If the TP Modem was enabled, the 3Com would give a blue screen of death when trying to do diagnostics. If I turned the TP Modem off, the 3Com modem works fine so I think it may be a problem with the 3Com card hunting for resources while it worked fine in Win98SE since the 3Com drivers are voer a year old. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Thu Apr 20 17:21:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA15119 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:21:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14207; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:20:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14131; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14118; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:20:32 -0400 Received: from default - 63.27.203.58 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 14:20:29 -0700 Message-ID: <002901bfab0d$d3f470c0$3acb1b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: 560 Battery charger Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 16:17:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Anyone needing a almost new 560 battery charger... http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=313746369 From cph Thu Apr 20 17:30:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA15180 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:30:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15131; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:29:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14987; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14936; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (208.203.130.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:29:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (grinnell@localhost) by acunet.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id RAA04905 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:29:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeffrey D Grinnell To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, Michelle Klein-Hass wrote: > >but unless there are strong objections from other > >members I would like for you to keep the list informed about what happens to > >this guy. It's been very entertaining so far. > > Keep on updating us! This is fun. I love seeing jerks get their due. > I agree. The spirit of uncovering the evidence against this guy is a lot like the group effort in open source projects. It's much harder for the bad guys to screw over people when we have more eyes watching each others backs. Maybe we'll see larger community operations to shut down spammers next. Jeff From cph Thu Apr 20 17:33:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA15188 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:33:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15522; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:33:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15445; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15432; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:33:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:33:15 -0400 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07330 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port65.magma.ca [209.217.123.65]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA27312 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004202133.RAA27312@mail3.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:32:05 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <200004201351_MC2-A201-7987@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:50:59 -0400, Mark Gardiner wrote: >>..." He also has another auction that has ended, #22974097, >>where he lists an address and phone and fax numbers in >>Pueblo, Colorado. So why does he need to receive the money >>in Canada? > >Answer - Tax evasion...? Or possibly to muddy the waters of jurisidiction? andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Thu Apr 20 18:20:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA15499 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:20:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18759; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:19:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18634; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18621; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:19:23 -0400 Received: from 216-164-139-7.s261.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.139.7] helo=desktop) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12iPID-000795-00; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:19:25 -0400 Message-ID: <022701bfab16$b05d54c0$0101a8c0@desktop> From: "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" To: "Andrew Webber" Cc: References: <200004202133.RAA27312@mail3.magma.ca> Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:20:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Muddying the waters of jurisdiction and tax evasion. What am I gonna do after I send $840 CASH to what is probably a mail drop in Canada after I don't get my stuff? Complain to the Post Office? Complain to hotmail that some moron is abusing their service? The paragraphs below were part of the winning notice sent by Yahoo. Their misspellings and general illiteracy were what made me suspicious. How does a guy who writes like a drug-addled 14 year-old have the wherewithal to have 14 600e machines, even if they are hot? That and the realization that if he quickly sold 15 last week at $925, why are these same machines now priced at $800? "You can contact the seller by going to the auction page: http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/23317486 The seller has included the following message: thank you for placing a winning bid on the tiem at the auction. you have won someting great at an even greater price. i hope that you will want more than what you have already won. please check out my other auctions. it would also be a great thing for my busienss if you told your friends about my deals. if you can get me more than 4 sales i will reduce your price by 20%. to recieve the item please send a money order to: D.Herrera 800 steels ave west Unit B-10 249 thornhill ontario L4J 7L2 i will accept money orders only made out to CASH. anything else, cashiers for example,that is sent there will be a 25 business day hold placed on it by the bank, im sure of it. they have done it before. I do not do escrow services or accept personal checks because of past experiences of counterfiet checks sent. thanks and i hope we can complete this tranaction quickly. " Donald --- Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] ---------------------------------------- I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! ---------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Webber To: thinkpad Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 5:32 PM Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo > On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:50:59 -0400, Mark Gardiner wrote: > > >>..." He also has another auction that has ended, #22974097, > >>where he lists an address and phone and fax numbers in > >>Pueblo, Colorado. So why does he need to receive the money > >>in Canada? > > > >Answer - Tax evasion...? > > Or possibly to muddy the waters of jurisidiction? > > > andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] > ------ > for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html > > From cph Thu Apr 20 19:15:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA15835 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:15:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22374; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:15:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:15:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22271; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22254; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:15:05 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA18015; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:14:59 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001b01bfab1e$5e75a4c0$4962183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" Cc: References: <200004202133.RAA27312@mail3.magma.ca> <022701bfab16$b05d54c0$0101a8c0@desktop> Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 13:15:48 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "D.Herrera 800 steels ave west Unit B-10 249 thornhill ontario L4J 7L2" Maybe one of the Canadian listers is close enough to pick this up in person for you:-) - David R. From cph Thu Apr 20 23:16:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA17389 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:16:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03711; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:05:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03524; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03508; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:05:35 -0400 Received: from tp1721 (user-33qt89v.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.161.63]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA30731 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00a801bfab3e$547c0840$3fa1aec7@tp1721> From: "Chuck S." To: References: Subject: IBM Revamps Thinkpads Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:04:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-1717317.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From cph Thu Apr 20 23:18:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA17410 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:18:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04044; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:10:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:10:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03967; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03948; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:10:01 -0400 Received: from lorie ([199.179.168.173]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20000421030959.CGQE823.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@lorie>; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:09:59 -0500 Message-ID: <002801bfab3d$234459e0$1396f2cc@lorie.designcraft.com> From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:56:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Vince said: >I'm running Win ME Beta 3 Build 2509 on my 770Z 9549-8AU........ > If I turned the TP Modem off, the 3Com modem works fine so I >think it may be a problem with the 3Com card hunting for resources while >it worked fine in Win98SE since the 3Com drivers are over a year old. > I think your right, Vince. The 3com I/O port probe causes a serial port hang of the TP modem. This supports TP FAQ 5.2 - Internal Thinkpad modems should be disabled; waiting for that inevitable day you forget/break your pc card dongle or smash your xjack;) Can you turn off the 3com probe feature by unchecking "Use automatic settings" in Device Man? Aaron Brown From cph Thu Apr 20 23:46:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA17568 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:46:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05633; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:38:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05556; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05543; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:38:04 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a2.pm3-26.theriver.com [208.164.102.66]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF2DD25CF9; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:37:53 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3A406713.B770E447@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2000 01:00:48 -0700 From: Ramon Solarzano Organization: Canyonlands Publishing, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Keith @ LavaNet" Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? References: <20000420021634.19734.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> <001501bfaa72$f06afbc0$f7fc1918@hawaii.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: We have tested it quite thoroughly on 2100 computers at 138 locations at a group of Government facilities I am not allowed to name. We are finding it amazingly stable... certainly more so than any other version. It is also easier to use, easier to install, easier for the MIS staff to manage... But it does not work properly with a lot of older versions of application software... I don't think this is a problem for the system, but serious users will have to upgrade some of their applications. We are ecstatic that this new version is available... A year from now nearly every smart site will be using it. I can understand the caution, but I think it is unwarranted. Costs to upgrade will be high. Staff training costs will be high. Works great on my thinkpad From cph Thu Apr 20 23:50:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA17583 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:50:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06199; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:42:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06118; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web705.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06105; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web705.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.23.25 -> web705.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:42:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 12939 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2000 03:42:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20000421034216.12938.qmail@web705.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.16.54.126] by web705.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:42:16 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 20:42:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Shahram Javey To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: subscribe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From cph Thu Apr 20 23:53:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA17594 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:53:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06695; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:45:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06619; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06609; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:45:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.4 -> imo14.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:45:11 -0400 Received: from Btmoony@aol.com by imo14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v25.3.) id o.3f.3ab74fe (3946) for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3f.3ab74fe.263128bc@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:45:00 EDT Subject: remove me To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 104 List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe me or tell me what message to send to get me unsubscribed to this mailing. I read the intro letter with those instructions on another computer -- my mistake. thanks From cph Fri Apr 21 00:46:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA17795 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:46:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09225; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:44:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08941; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:44:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08928; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:44:48 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (dgoldman.vip.best.com [204.156.137.147]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id VAA17248 for ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:43:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000420214204.04da8740@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 21:42:35 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: How to unsubscribe from the Thinkpads mailing list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: To unsubscribe, you must not only send a message with the subject being 'unsubscribe' (without the quotes), but you must also send it to the proper address (which is DIFFERENT from the normal address used for messages. So, either send a message as follows: TO: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu SUBJECT: unsubscribe or click on the link below: List-Unsubscribe: ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:14:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10205; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:13:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10116; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10100; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 01:13:18 -0400 Received: from lorie ([199.179.168.173]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20000421051316.CMCV823.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@lorie>; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 00:13:16 -0500 Message-ID: <005601bfab4e$599fb1e0$1396f2cc@lorie.designcraft.com> From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: "David Ross" , "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" Cc: Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 23:59:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: >"D.Herrera >800 steels ave west >Unit B-10 249 >thornhill ontario >L4J 7L2" > >Maybe one of the Canadian listers is close enough to pick this up in >person for you:-) > The address probably isn't the scammer residence. It's probably an apartment mailbox the scammer scammed an extra key for. If I lived up eh, I wouldn't visit, I'd send the Mounties in. Aaron Brown. From cph Fri Apr 21 04:10:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA18397 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:10:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18198; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:09:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18067; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18054; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:09:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13783; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:09:22 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 22:09:22 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: "Aaron W. Brown" cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? In-Reply-To: <002801bfab3d$234459e0$1396f2cc@lorie.designcraft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 20 Apr 2000, Aaron W. Brown wrote: > Vince said: > > >I'm running Win ME Beta 3 Build 2509 on my 770Z 9549-8AU........ > > > If I turned the TP Modem off, the 3Com modem works fine so I > >think it may be a problem with the 3Com card hunting for resources while > >it worked fine in Win98SE since the 3Com drivers are over a year old. > > I think your right, Vince. The 3com I/O port probe causes a serial > port hang of the TP modem. This supports TP FAQ 5.2 - Internal > Thinkpad modems should be disabled; waiting for that inevitable day > you forget/break your pc card dongle or smash your xjack;) Hmmm, this only seems to happen with WinME and not Win98 1st Ed and 2nd Ed though. Ofcourse, with WinME, I had to update the TP Modem drivers to 2.60 from the previous 2.51 so I don't really know. Actually, 3Com came out with a XJack version of my card except it only has one XJack so you can't use both the modem and the NIC at the same time which is bad. http://buydirect.3com.com/iom_dcms/b2c/catalog/detail.html?SKU=3CXFEM656C > Can you turn off the 3com probe feature by unchecking "Use automatic > settings" in Device Man? I think I can but haven't really tried it. Also, is each modem on the TP supposed to have it's own Wave Device for the sound support since I think with WinME when I uninstalled the TP Modem drivers and deleted the Modem from 3Com card, it seems Win will only readd the ThinkPad Wave Device after reinstalling the TP drivers but when I readded the 3Com drivers, it didn't add anything before like it used to. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Fri Apr 21 04:48:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA18490 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:48:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19581; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:47:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19504; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:47:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19489; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:47:01 -0400 Received: from user-38lcagm.dsl.mindspring.com (user-38lcagm.dsl.mindspring.com [209.86.42.22]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA25827; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 04:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004210846.EAA25827@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Ken D'Ambrosio" , "Steve Hultquist" Cc: "Keith @ LavaNet" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 17:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Win 2000: OEM or retail? List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:42:51 -0400 (EDT), Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: >As it stands, Linux *finally* has something from Microsoft worthy of >being called competition. [So now it's time for kernel rev. 2.4 to kick >its fanny! ;-) ] Maybe that's why IBM updated the Warp4 kernel to the service level of a server and rolled out annual refreshes of device drivers, etc... From cph Fri Apr 21 07:36:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA19066 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:36:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00297; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:35:02 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29299; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:34:56 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id HAA01726 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 07:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12736; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (38.8.20.2 -> relay20.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:53:50 -0400 Received: from [204.215.186.11] (helo=ntmail.doble.com) by relay20.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 12iXJy-0000s2-00; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 02:53:46 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:34:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Donald Malcolm MacQueen'" , Andrew Webber Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 19:34:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I think you should contact either the RCMP or the OPP with the information that you have. Seems the RCMP is going after computer crime these days. 73 Eric ecottrell@shore.net -----Original Message----- i will reduce your price by 20%. to recieve the item please send a money order to: D.Herrera 800 steels ave west Unit B-10 249 thornhill ontario L4J 7L2 i will accept money orders only made out to CASH. anything else, cashiers for example,that is sent there will be a 25 business day hold placed on it by the bank, im sure of it. they have done it before. I do not do escrow services or accept personal checks because of past experiences of counterfiet checks sent. thanks and i hope we can complete this tranaction quickly. " From cph Fri Apr 21 09:45:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA19527 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:45:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05248; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:44:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05083; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05069; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (149.174.206.155 -> ds-img-rel-2.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:44:03 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id JAA27044 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-gvt-vty41.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-gvt-vty41.as.wcom.net [216.192.154.41]) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id JAA27008 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 09:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Apr 2000 18:47:23 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <15782.000420@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: i Series horror stories? In-reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000406123924.00a9a100@pop3.iceka1.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20000406123924.00a9a100@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, April 06, 2000, 2:49:29 PM, Randal wrote: RW> The 770 had only 3 things over the original 600: RW> (1) Video capability (presumably in or out), ... RW> (2) Hardware-assisted MPEG playback ... RW> (3) the largest 14.1" screen with 1280x1024 resolution ... RW> EVERYTHING else the 770 had or did, the 600 matched quite nicely. Cool! I didn't know that I could put two 25Gig HDs into a 600 series, or even ONE 25Gig HD. Which model is it that has this capability, so I can consider it for replacing my 770ED? Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. iQA/AwUBOP+XBG8pw+2/9pUJEQK91wCg8j52uUFYzV5UKU/T3V5YtbJLfnsAni7n Dr+Xsq14r14rtpNkwI2KLbCh =UCTE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Fri Apr 21 10:34:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA19768 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:34:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07536; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:34:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07392; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07379; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (24.128.1.71 -> chmls06.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:34:08 -0400 Received: from Laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA19046 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:34:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: W2K key switching limitation -- call for help Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 10:33:41 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01bfab9e$973245e0$0200a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I'm about to put Windows 2000 on a 770Z, but have just learned that key remap utilities - which I use to swap Ctrl and CapsLock keys for all my work - will not run under W2K. The reason the remapping is so important to me is that I rely very much on an excellent WordStar keyboard command add-in (http://www.petrie.u-net.com/computing/wordstar/emulators/word8/pages/wordst ar.htm) to enable a touch-typing based WordStar command set in Outlook and MS Word. I, and a surprising number of others with intensive word processing requirements, have traditionally used the Keyboard Remapping Utility in the W95 Kernel Toys Set (http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/contents/WUToys/W95KernelToy/D efault.asp) or the ZDNet Key Remap Utility (http://hotfiles.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?fcode=000O JB&b=) to switch Ctrl and CapsLock keys for this purpose. I was hoping that list members' familiarity with NT and now W2K might produce a remedy here. Does anyone know how these two keys can be remapped under these programs, or whether it may be possible at all? Many thanks - Jeff plumbush2@mediaone.net From cph Fri Apr 21 11:16:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA19953 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:16:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09859; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:14:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09652; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09630; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (38.8.20.2 -> relay20.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:14:48 -0400 Received: from [204.215.186.11] (helo=ntmail.doble.com) by relay20.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 12if8D-0005Cj-00; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:14:09 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:08:55 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Aaron W. Brown'" , David Ross , Donald Malcolm MacQueen Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:08:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, The Unit B-10 stuff sounds like an industrial park and the 249 is likely the box in the mailbox, etc type place in the industrial park. I tried the Canada411 web site and do not get a listing for a Herrera in Thornhill. Unfortunely you cannot put in an address and find out what is there. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com -----Original Message----- From: Aaron W. Brown [mailto:aaron@designcraft.com] Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 11:59 PM To: David Ross; Donald Malcolm MacQueen Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: More on cheap 600s on Yahoo >"D.Herrera >800 steels ave west >Unit B-10 249 >thornhill ontario >L4J 7L2" > >Maybe one of the Canadian listers is close enough to pick this up in >person for you:-) > The address probably isn't the scammer residence. It's probably an apartment mailbox the scammer scammed an extra key for. If I lived up eh, I wouldn't visit, I'd send the Mounties in. Aaron Brown. From cph Fri Apr 21 12:03:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA20250 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:03:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13370; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:02:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13256; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13235; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:02:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:02:32 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-r114.otenet.gr [212.205.255.114]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA27144 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:02:27 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004211602.TAA27144@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:02:31 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004192316.QAA93135@whistler.az.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: TP 365XD Problem List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id MAA13370 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA20251 On Wed, 19 Apr 00 16:25:57 -0800, LightSide wrote: >noticed that my Thinkpad won't go into suspend or hibernation (either OS/2 or Windows 95B). I have tried fixing the >problem in windows first. If the problem happens on both windoze and os/2 then it could be a hardware problem or a BIOS problem. First i'd install the latest BIOS (reinstall it even if you already have the latest one). If that doesn't fix the problem, maybe a call to IBM tech support would help. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Fri Apr 21 12:07:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA20283 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:07:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14070; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:06:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:06:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13993; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13979; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:06:27 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-r114.otenet.gr [212.205.255.114]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA05224 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:06:24 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004211606.TAA05224@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:06:29 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: My contribution to this list List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id MAA14070 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA20284 On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:35:12 -0600 (CST), Jon wrote: >I have always received much help from this list but i seldom give back. >well, this is my chance. >http://www.microsoft.com/directaccess/training/sales/hotkit/win2000.asp >For only $129 >you get >1) Windows 2000 Professional >2) Windows 2000 Advanced Server You mean you would actualy PAY money to get windoze? I don't believe this, i'd rather put my employer to pay for that, than spend my personal money of a rather sad excuse of an operating system (even if it has good hardware detection). þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Fri Apr 21 12:57:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA20680 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:57:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17799; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:56:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17589; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17576; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:56:10 -0400 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA12406 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port55.magma.ca [209.217.123.55]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA19079 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004211656.MAA19079@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:55:09 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <200004211606.TAA05224@athserv.otenet.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: My contribution to this list List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:06:29 +0100 (BST), sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >i'd rather put my employer to pay for that, than spend my >personal money of a rather sad excuse of an operating >system (even if it has good hardware detection). Where does it say one's employer can't reimburse for it? I for one am thrilled with the information that Jon posted! (And I'm my own employer so it's either U$129 for this deal, or ~U$190 for an upgrade package from a local retailer). andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Fri Apr 21 13:09:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20732 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:09:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18551; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:08:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18459; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:08:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18444; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:08:54 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JOHWSRI2RK8WYXPT@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:11:52 CST Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:11:51 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: windoze 2000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Microsoft always got attacked by people about how unstable their windows os and how they are a monopoly ..bla bla if you think about it the thing is not that linux, unix, BeOs, OS 2 , Apple are bad os but they just do not have the wide acceptance like windows have. One can only imagine if Apple didint make the wrong decision to keep their OS a propriety in the 80's we could all be running the G4 now sure, i hate my windows 95/98 with all those blue screens of death ..etc. but to best suit my needs, windows platform has the most software and hardware compaitability in the market today. MIcrosoft has the market and the developers can only aim at the market that has the most consumer/demands (windows platform) in order to make money. for large corporations, most average companies would be scared of UNIX complexity. unless they can spend $$$$ to hire a specialist IT personnels. This is where WIN NT fits in with the familliarity of win x platform. I think MIcrosoft is growing to support the market and the market is also responsible for the growth of windows os just my 2 cent From cph Fri Apr 21 13:14:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20775 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:14:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19100; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:13:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19012; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18999; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:13:41 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax60.vramp.net [198.138.8.123]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA43140; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:13:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Andrew Webber" , "thinkpad" Subject: RE: My contribution to this list Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:18:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <200004211656.MAA19079@mail6.magma.ca> List-Unsubscribe: And it's an even better value if you actually take advantage of the online training at www.Scholars.com that's included with the purchase! That alone was worth the price of admission. While it was old news to many on the list, I also applaud Jon's sharing it with us. And for sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S., how about actually appending a name to one of your messages? Or are we supposed to continue to guess the hidden meaning? I'll vote for Silly, Empty, Humorless, Hyperbole. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Webber [mailto:awebber@wwwebbers.com] > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 11:55 AM > To: thinkpad > Subject: Re: My contribution to this list > > > On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:06:29 +0100 (BST), sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. > wrote: > > >i'd rather put my employer to pay for that, than spend my > >personal money of a rather sad excuse of an operating > >system (even if it has good hardware detection). > > Where does it say one's employer can't reimburse for it? I for one > am thrilled with the information that Jon posted! (And I'm my own > employer so it's either U$129 for this deal, or ~U$190 for an > upgrade package from a local retailer). > > > andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] > ------ > for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html > > From cph Fri Apr 21 13:31:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20877 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:31:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20594; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:30:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20486; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:30:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20472; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:30:22 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id MAA15446 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:30:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.185.103]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id MAA15442 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:30:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000421133006.01326640@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:30:06 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: My contribution to this list In-Reply-To: <200004211656.MAA19079@mail6.magma.ca> References: <200004211606.TAA05224@athserv.otenet.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:55 PM 04/21/2000 -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: >I for one am thrilled with the information that Jon posted! > So am I. Jane From cph Fri Apr 21 13:49:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA20997 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:49:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21987; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:47:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21831; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21818; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:47:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:47:42 -0400 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24249 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port64.magma.ca [209.217.123.64]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA15098 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004211747.NAA15098@mail4.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:46:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Reverse lookups by address, phone List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:08:55 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >Unfortunely you cannot put >in an address and find out what is there. Although it's not very current (at least two months behind), reverse lookups by phone and by address are available at http://www.infospace.com/canada/reverse_ca.htm where there's also a link to the same for the U.S. I think it's based on Bell's phone books, so if the info isn't in Bell's directory, it isn't available here. andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Fri Apr 21 15:29:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA21818 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:29:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27889; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:27:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27558; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27539; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:27:19 -0400 Received: from whistler.az.com (ip-216.145.8.254.az.com [216.145.8.254]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA09748 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:28:00 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Received: from Buck ([10.66.47.31]) by whistler.az.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA03573 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:11:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <200004211811.LAA03573@whistler.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 00 11:20:59 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 365XD Problem -- Solved List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:02:31 +0100 (BST), sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >On Wed, 19 Apr 00 16:25:57 -0800, LightSide wrote: > >>noticed that my Thinkpad won't go into suspend or hibernation (either OS/2 or Windows 95B). I >have tried fixing the >>problem in windows first. > >If the problem happens on both windoze and os/2 then it could be a hardware problem >or a BIOS problem. First i'd install the latest BIOS (reinstall it even if you already have the >latest one). As someone in the list pointed out (via private e-mail or publically. I don't remember which), if I have my PCMCIA card in place, it won't hibernate or anything. I will play with it a little more such as stopping the card and see if I can leave it in the machine but in a stopped state. When I removed the card it did suspend and hibernation did perform properly. Interesting quirk if you ask me. But I guess in some ways it does make sense. Thanks again. Another reason why this list is so valuable to me. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Fri Apr 21 16:02:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA22085 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:02:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29196; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:52:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28925; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28906; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:52:26 -0400 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.27) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 21 Apr 2000 15:49:10 -0400 Message-ID: <000f01bfabcb$3e03a400$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: [760ED] Audio/Video recording techniques... Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:53:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Hi there, I know this question was asked before, but I have somewhat of a different question. First and foremost is what software *can* be used with the 760ED to record? The one or two programs that I have tried lock the system up when i attempt to record. I can *view* the incoming video fine, but no recording. This system is not retail so I do not have any original software disks/cd's from IBM. Second questions is how do you record audio with the video? The video cable obviously does not have provisions for recording the audio at the same time. I could take a Left/Right-to-35mm cable from my TV, but will the software be able to record the audio at the same time? This all seems posible, but is the 760ED fast enough to keep up with it? I'm running Win98 on a 3.2G HDD, 32mb Ram, and in 1024x768. The video input on the 760ED does not seem worth anything IMHO if you can not record the sounds which it is sync'd to... Any ideas/suggestions? Thanks! -Jamie Recieve a free DVD player with 15 referalls-100 times better than that alladvantage crap! http://www.ikena.com/contest/referral.cfm?refCID=slipnfall From cph Fri Apr 21 16:55:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA22633 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:55:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03090; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:53:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02827; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02813; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:53:22 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-107.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.107]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA21182 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000421153852.01408ac0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 15:38:52 -0700 To: "thinkpad" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: My contribution to this list In-Reply-To: <200004211606.TAA05224@athserv.otenet.gr> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:06 PM 04/21/2000 +0100, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:35:12 -0600 (CST), Jon wrote: > >>I have always received much help from this list but i seldom give back. >>well, this is my chance. >>http://www.microsoft.com/directaccess/training/sales/hotkit/win2000.asp >>For only $129 >>you get >>1) Windows 2000 Professional >>2) Windows 2000 Advanced Server > >You mean you would actualy PAY money to get windoze? I don't believe this, >i'd rather put my employer to pay for that, than spend my personal money >of a rather sad excuse of an operating system (even if it has good hardware detection). Honestly, OSwars or snipes of the same nature thereof have no place on the list as all they contribute is noise of no meaningful content. Some people like WinX, OS/2, *nix variants or even BeOS. As long as they all run on TPs to some extent, they're ALL welcomed. It just happens that the WinX flavors massively dominate the market. So, surprisingly, they are usually the topic of discussion on this list. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Apr 21 17:31:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA22935 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:31:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05338; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:29:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05186; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww183.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05173; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww183.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.83 -> ww183.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:29:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 23697 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Apr 2000 21:29:49 -0000 Message-ID: <20000421212949.23696.qmail@ww183.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.83 by ww183 for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Fri Apr 21 21:29:49 GMT 2000 Date: 21 Apr 00 16:29:49 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: My contribution to this list X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA22936 Mark Bell wrote: > At 07:06 PM 04/21/2000 +0100, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > >On Thu, 20 Apr 2000 10:35:12 -0600 (CST), Jon wrote: > > > >>I have always received much help from this list but i seldom give back. > >>well, this is my chance. > >>http://www.microsoft.com/directaccess/training/sales/hotkit/win2000.asp > >>For only $129 > >>you get > >>1) Windows 2000 Professional > >>2) Windows 2000 Advanced Server > > > >You mean you would actualy PAY money to get windoze? I don't believe this, > >i'd rather put my employer to pay for that, than spend my personal money > >of a rather sad excuse of an operating system (even if it has good > hardware detection). > > Honestly, OSwars or snipes of the same nature thereof have no place on the > list as all they contribute is noise of no meaningful content. Some people > like WinX, OS/2, *nix variants or even BeOS. As long as they all > run on TPs to some extent, they're ALL welcomed. It just happens that the > WinX flavors massively dominate the market. So, surprisingly, they are > usually the topic > of discussion on this list. Even the minor slams like "windoze' that occur frequently aren't needed. There's nothing constructive or mature about them. We're all adults here (I can't imagine a lot of kids have a need for or can afford a ThinkPad), so let's keep things professional. I don't necessarily love Microsoft or Windows, but it permeates the marketplace (every one of my clients has used Windows), so I accept it. Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Fri Apr 21 17:50:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA23065 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:50:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06602; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:48:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06410; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06397; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:48:50 -0400 Received: from dsrv ([216.140.194.66]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA16315 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000421175102.00984a20@pop.ziplink.net> X-Sender: drgrant@pop.ziplink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:51:02 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Capone Subject: Re: My contribution to this list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I agree, there is no point to going around and "breaking windows" and pissing on what someone else chooses to run for an operating system. I don't understand how he can get away with saying that, when he's asking every five minutes "why is this or that" broken under OS/2. The bottom line is every OS has flaws. Most people know that they have to choose a compromise, it's merely a matter of what is or is not important to the user that counts, and everyones needs/wants are different. -Mike >>You mean you would actualy PAY money to get windoze? I don't believe this, >>i'd rather put my employer to pay for that, than spend my personal money >>of a rather sad excuse of an operating system (even if it has good >hardware detection). > >Honestly, OSwars or snipes of the same nature thereof have no place on the >list as all they contribute is noise of no meaningful content. Some people >like WinX, OS/2, *nix variants or even BeOS. As long as they all >run on TPs to some extent, they're ALL welcomed. It just happens that the >WinX flavors massively dominate the market. So, surprisingly, they are >usually the topic >of discussion on this list. > > >------------------------------------------------- >Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 >Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >------------------------------------------------- >Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >Network and System consultation and installation >-------------------------------------------------- > > From cph Fri Apr 21 17:51:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA23073 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:51:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06901; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:49:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06502; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from microvst.demon.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06488; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from microvst.demon.co.uk (158.152.56.133 -> microvst.demon.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:49:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:35:10 +0100 BST From: tgold@panix.com (Anthony R. Gold) Reply-To: tgold@panix.com Message-Id: <2001605@panix.com> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: i Series horror stories? X-Mailer: PCElm 1.12 beta 3 Lines: 23 List-Unsubscribe: In message <15782.000420@falkor.chi.il.us> "Ronald W. Heiby" writes: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Thursday, April 06, 2000, 2:49:29 PM, Randal wrote: > RW> The 770 had only 3 things over the original 600: > RW> (1) Video capability (presumably in or out), ... > RW> (2) Hardware-assisted MPEG playback ... > RW> (3) the largest 14.1" screen with 1280x1024 resolution ... > RW> EVERYTHING else the 770 had or did, the 600 matched quite nicely. > > Cool! I didn't know that I could put two 25Gig HDs into a 600 series, > or even ONE 25Gig HD. Which model is it that has this capability, so I > can consider it for replacing my 770ED? Check out http://www.storage.ibm.com/press/hdd/20000412.htm for info on the 30GT, a 12.5mm 30GB 4,200rpm drive which should allow 60GB in any 600 series thinkpad, when using both main and slimbay; volume are shipments promised in May. Regards, -- Tony - G3SKR / W2TG email: tgold@panix.com From cph Fri Apr 21 18:40:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA23410 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:40:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10141; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:40:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:38:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09964; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haupia.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09948; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haupia.lava.net (199.222.42.44 -> haupia.lava.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 18:38:18 -0400 Received: from HPDDB(anunu011.lava.net[207.26.192.42]) (3166 bytes) by haupia.lava.net via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:38:15 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Dec-7) Message-ID: <006e01bfabe2$bee4fda0$fcf71eac@PDIMAGE> From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: "thinkpad" References: <20000421212949.23696.qmail@ww183.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: My contribution to this list Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:41:32 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: >----- Original Message ----- >From: Rob Bell >To: ThinkPad Mailing List >Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 11:29 AM >Subject: Re: My contribution to this list > >Even the minor slams like "windoze' that occur frequently aren't needed. >There's nothing constructive or mature about them. We're all adults here (I >can't imagine a lot of kids have a need for or can afford a ThinkPad), so >let's keep things professional. I don't necessarily love Microsoft or >Windows, but it permeates the marketplace (every one of my clients has used >Windows), so I accept it. > >Rob --Um I dunno about everyone else here, but I digress Rob. I'm here because I love the product (IBM thinkpads) and love tinkering with them and all other computers. While this list has been really helpful to me for my work, I thought this list was for the sharing of knowledge and general enjoyment of the Thinkpad experience. Sure we may all be adults, but it's the kid inside of us all who loves to tinker and play with our laptops in different ways. I don't believe we need to keep anything "professional" on this list, just friendly. If the list feels like bashing microsoft, let's bash microsoft. Through our bellyaching one our more talented members may find a solution to our problems. Sure we accept microsofts products, and the ones of us who don't simply use Linux, or Beos instead. In essence I'd say it's all good. Everyone of our comments are great so long as they don't hurt anyones feelings (sans Mr. Bill Gates-his feelings don't matter here.). The most recent charlitan hunt that went on to expose the phony TP 600 sellers on Ebay is a good example of the spirit of this group. It wasn't professional but it was great to see a bunch of guys and gals watch out for eachother and for prospective TP owners as well. So if Jon wants to bash MS, fine. Just don't bash eachother, we're all on the same side right? Maybe Jon knows of an ideal OS for a certain TP model. Jon? On the Internet we've still got a right to our own opinions and freedom of speech right? Let's use it for something nifty! That's it, just my 2cents and a billion in change. =) Play on! --Keith Keith Wong System Administrator - IKON Business Information Systems Honolulu Police Department site - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Pager:(808) 290-0888 Home:(808) 949-0345 E-mails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu From cph Fri Apr 21 19:18:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA23638 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:18:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12168; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:16:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12026; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12013; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:16:17 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-43.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.43]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA11688 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:16:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000421191647.0140a100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:16:47 -0700 To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Re[2]: i Series horror stories? In-Reply-To: <2001605@panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:35 PM 04/21/2000 BST, Anthony R. Gold wrote: >In message <15782.000420@falkor.chi.il.us> "Ronald W. Heiby" writes: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> Thursday, April 06, 2000, 2:49:29 PM, Randal wrote: >> RW> The 770 had only 3 things over the original 600: >> RW> (1) Video capability (presumably in or out), ... >> RW> (2) Hardware-assisted MPEG playback ... >> RW> (3) the largest 14.1" screen with 1280x1024 resolution ... >> RW> EVERYTHING else the 770 had or did, the 600 matched quite nicely. >> >> Cool! I didn't know that I could put two 25Gig HDs into a 600 series, >> or even ONE 25Gig HD. Which model is it that has this capability, so I >> can consider it for replacing my 770ED? > >Check out http://www.storage.ibm.com/press/hdd/20000412.htm for info >on the 30GT, a 12.5mm 30GB 4,200rpm drive which should allow 60GB in >any 600 series thinkpad, when using both main and slimbay; volume are >shipments promised in May. > The point is when technology pushes new HD capacities, they initially come out in >12.5mm sizes on a frequent basis and these drives have larger capacities and sometimes faster rpm rates. In time, similar capacity devices are offered in smaller form factor(s) as technology affords it. The 770 series can accomodate larger physically sized HDs (>12.5mm). The 600 series can not. This was the case with the 25gb drive, and I suspect it will happen again in the future with other drives, manufacturers and capacities as they push the envelope for speed and capacity. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Apr 21 19:29:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA23710 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:29:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13033; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:29:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:27:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12888; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot018.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12875; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot018.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.118 -> pilot018.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:27:41 -0400 Received: from android.msu.edu (andres-52.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.100]) by pilot018.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA12034 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:27:39 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000421192354.00d878f0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:27:44 -0400 To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Big Fat Disks (was: i Series horror stories?) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000421191647.0140a100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> References: <2001605@panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I think I remember reading a paper on new disk technologies which said that 12.5mm was going to be a standard for the next while, and 17mm wouldn't be needed. IBM has gotten up to around 17 billion bits per square inch now in data density and I got the impression thats only going to improve, so the new disks won't be as tall as before. Witness the 32 and 30G IBM disks at 12.mm. Also, consider that smaller notebooks could use the smaller disks. Now if only I could remember the site where I was reading about all this... STeve Andre' At 07:16 PM 4/21/00 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: >At 10:35 PM 04/21/2000 BST, Anthony R. Gold wrote: > >In message <15782.000420@falkor.chi.il.us> "Ronald W. Heiby" writes: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Thursday, April 06, 2000, 2:49:29 PM, Randal wrote: > >> RW> The 770 had only 3 things over the original 600: > >> RW> (1) Video capability (presumably in or out), ... > >> RW> (2) Hardware-assisted MPEG playback ... > >> RW> (3) the largest 14.1" screen with 1280x1024 resolution ... > >> RW> EVERYTHING else the 770 had or did, the 600 matched quite nicely. > >> > >> Cool! I didn't know that I could put two 25Gig HDs into a 600 series, > >> or even ONE 25Gig HD. Which model is it that has this capability, so I > >> can consider it for replacing my 770ED? > > > >Check out http://www.storage.ibm.com/press/hdd/20000412.htm for info > >on the 30GT, a 12.5mm 30GB 4,200rpm drive which should allow 60GB in > >any 600 series thinkpad, when using both main and slimbay; volume are > >shipments promised in May. > > > >The point is when technology pushes new HD capacities, they initially >come out in >12.5mm sizes on a frequent basis and these drives have >larger capacities and sometimes faster rpm rates. In time, similar >capacity devices are offered in smaller form factor(s) as technology >affords it. The 770 series can accomodate larger physically sized >HDs (>12.5mm). The 600 series can not. This was the case with the >25gb drive, and I suspect it will happen again in the future with >other drives, manufacturers and capacities as they push the envelope >for speed and capacity. > >Mark > > >------------------------------------------------- >Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 >Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >------------------------------------------------- >Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >Network and System consultation and installation >-------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Apr 21 19:38:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA23766 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:38:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13835; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:36:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13702; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13689; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:36:13 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-43.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.43]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA28192 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000421193639.0140ca80@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:36:39 -0700 To: "thinkpad" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: My contribution to this list In-Reply-To: <006e01bfabe2$bee4fda0$fcf71eac@PDIMAGE> References: <20000421212949.23696.qmail@ww183.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:41 PM 04/21/2000 -1000, Keith @ LavaNet wrote: >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Rob Bell >>To: ThinkPad Mailing List >>Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 11:29 AM >>Subject: Re: My contribution to this list >> > >>Even the minor slams like "windoze' that occur frequently aren't needed. >>There's nothing constructive or mature about them. We're all adults here >(I >>can't imagine a lot of kids have a need for or can afford a ThinkPad), so >>let's keep things professional. I don't necessarily love Microsoft or >>Windows, but it permeates the marketplace (every one of my clients has used >>Windows), so I accept it. >> >>Rob > >--Um I dunno about everyone else here, but I digress Rob. I'm here because >I love the product (IBM thinkpads) and love tinkering with them and all >other computers. While this list has been really helpful to me for my work, >I thought this list was for the sharing of knowledge and general enjoyment >of the Thinkpad experience. Sure we may all be adults, but it's the kid >inside of us all who loves to tinker and play with our laptops in different >ways. I don't believe we need to keep anything "professional" on this list, >just friendly. If the list feels like bashing microsoft, let's bash >microsoft. Through our bellyaching one our more talented members may find a >solution to our problems. Sure we accept microsofts products, and the ones >of us who don't simply use Linux, or Beos instead. In essence I'd say it's >all good. Everyone of our comments are great so long as they don't hurt >anyones feelings (sans Mr. Bill Gates-his feelings don't matter here.). The >most recent charlitan hunt that went on to expose the phony TP 600 sellers >on Ebay is a good example of the spirit of this group. It wasn't >professional but it was great to see a bunch of guys and gals watch out for >eachother and for prospective TP owners as well. So if Jon wants to bash >MS, fine. Just don't bash eachother, we're all on the same side right? >Maybe Jon knows of an ideal OS for a certain TP model. Jon? On the >Internet we've still got a right to our own opinions and freedom of speech >right? Let's use it for something nifty! That's it, just my 2cents and a >billion in change. =) Play on! That's the difference. The ebay/yahoo issue was informative, helpful, and factual. Bashing another OS is not helpful. It IS opinionated and rarely informative. A lot of people do not like having their OS of choice chided or ridiculed. You may not believe it, but OSes are sensitive spot to some users. They're not going to switch because someone else bashes it. Instead, they're going to get irritated. "OS/2 is better than Windoze!" "Linux is better than OhULoseTwo!" "Windows is better than Crappix" and it gets worse. :) It is a lose/lose proposition. What positive, helpful content comes out of: "You mean you would actualy PAY money to get windoze? I don't believe this, i'd rather put my employer to pay for that, than spend my personal money of a rather sad excuse of an operating system (even if it has good hardware detection)." In the usenet groups and other lists, OSwars breed hostility and negativity and when it comes down to it, it will offer nothing to this list. We're not on this list to debate OSes. We're here to discuss Thinkpads and their products. I've been involved and witnessed enough OSwars and OSbashing to realize no side ever wins and it really does breed resentment along with the other things I mentioned above. Like one netzien said, "Three things you never debate: Operating Systems, Religion and Politics.....IN THAT ORDER!" :) If comments or messages like the quote above started popping up in other lists and usenet groups, most of the readers would assign it, "TROLL," status. >:-P Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Apr 21 19:46:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA23822 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:46:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14567; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:44:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14363; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:44:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14348; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:44:41 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-43.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.43]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA29513 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000421194510.014053d0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:45:10 -0700 To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks (was: i Series horror stories?) In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000421192354.00d878f0@pilot.msu.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.20000421191647.0140a100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <2001605@panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I would be interested in that paper or web site. To push the envelope, I can't see companies waiting until their technology can be sized into a 12.5mm form factor. IBM isn't the only one making HDs either. In addition, the 770 series will allow a user access to their old data if needed (or anyone needing to work with a larger form factor laptop HD for whatever reason) or save $$$ by buying a HD in the larger form factor when the smaller becomes available. There is zero disadvantage of the HD bay on the 770, and it is an advantage over the 600 series. I agree that density is only going to improve (as it has for years ), but coupled with a larger form factor, they can stuff even more capacity in that puppy. Of course at what point is, "enough is enough." >:-) Heck, I don't even use all the capacity of the stock 14.1gb drive in my 770z! At 07:27 PM 04/21/2000 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >I think I remember reading a paper on new disk technologies which said that >12.5mm was going to be a standard for the next while, and 17mm wouldn't >be needed. IBM has gotten up to around 17 billion bits per square inch now >in data density and I got the impression thats only going to improve, so the >new disks won't be as tall as before. > >Witness the 32 and 30G IBM disks at 12.mm. Also, consider that smaller >notebooks could use the smaller disks. > >Now if only I could remember the site where I was reading about all this... > >STeve Andre' > >At 07:16 PM 4/21/00 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: >>At 10:35 PM 04/21/2000 BST, Anthony R. Gold wrote: >> >In message <15782.000420@falkor.chi.il.us> "Ronald W. Heiby" writes: >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> >> Thursday, April 06, 2000, 2:49:29 PM, Randal wrote: >> >> RW> The 770 had only 3 things over the original 600: >> >> RW> (1) Video capability (presumably in or out), ... >> >> RW> (2) Hardware-assisted MPEG playback ... >> >> RW> (3) the largest 14.1" screen with 1280x1024 resolution ... >> >> RW> EVERYTHING else the 770 had or did, the 600 matched quite nicely. >> >> >> >> Cool! I didn't know that I could put two 25Gig HDs into a 600 series, >> >> or even ONE 25Gig HD. Which model is it that has this capability, so I >> >> can consider it for replacing my 770ED? >> > >> >Check out http://www.storage.ibm.com/press/hdd/20000412.htm for info >> >on the 30GT, a 12.5mm 30GB 4,200rpm drive which should allow 60GB in >> >any 600 series thinkpad, when using both main and slimbay; volume are >> >shipments promised in May. >> > >> >>The point is when technology pushes new HD capacities, they initially >>come out in >12.5mm sizes on a frequent basis and these drives have >>larger capacities and sometimes faster rpm rates. In time, similar >>capacity devices are offered in smaller form factor(s) as technology >>affords it. The 770 series can accomodate larger physically sized >>HDs (>12.5mm). The 600 series can not. This was the case with the >>25gb drive, and I suspect it will happen again in the future with >>other drives, manufacturers and capacities as they push the envelope >>for speed and capacity. >> >>Mark >> >> >>------------------------------------------------- >>Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >>800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >>Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 >>Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >>------------------------------------------------- >>Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >>RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >>Network and System consultation and installation >>-------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Apr 21 19:56:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA23877 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:56:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15293; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:54:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15134; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15114; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:54:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243 -> maynard.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:54:30 -0400 Received: from user-38ld6q3.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld6q3.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.155.67]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA21416 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004212354.TAA21416@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <006e01bfabe2$bee4fda0$fcf71eac@PDIMAGE> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: My contribution to this list List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 12:41:32 -1000, Keith @ LavaNet wrote: > Sure we accept microsofts products, and the ones >of us who don't simply use Linux, or Beos instead. Eh let us not forget OS/2 . We Warp users have bashed Windose longer than those other products have been around . Still, I am thinking of putting at least Red Hat on a drive to see what all the fuss is about. My 760CD originally sold with OS/2 on it, and dual booted into DOS/Sin, eh Win3.1 Worked great then, and does now. That model finally went over to Win95, but it is not so easy to load, and crashes a lot, takes more memory to make it go, and generally is a PITB. I would give a pretty penny for one of the elusive OS/2 recovery CD's for the 760CD. I only use Win95 OSR2 on my TP760XL so as to be able to easily communicate with the NT servers at work. (By the way, those servers have to be taken down for maintenance Every Week!) If I could figure a way to do the NetBui thing in Warp, I'd go back in a blink. Particularly now that it's kernel is newly brought up to the moment. As it is , I content myself with a Warp desktop as my main home machine. Generally, I find these discussions on the various OS's of interest, as I enjoy tinkering with my TP's and different software. From cph Fri Apr 21 19:59:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA23889 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:59:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15694; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:57:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15525; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15511; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.111 -> pilot011.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:57:17 -0400 Received: from android.msu.edu (andres-52.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.100]) by pilot011.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA42052 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:57:15 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000421194902.00d83b10@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:57:20 -0400 To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks (was: i Series horror stories?) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000421194510.014053d0@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> References: <4.3.1.0.20000421192354.00d878f0@pilot.msu.edu> <3.0.6.32.20000421191647.0140a100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <2001605@panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: If and when I get the name of the site again I will let everyone know. It was an interesting mix of technical stuff. I HATE it when my system crashes, and I haven't saved the site I'm at into a bookmark. At any rate, I think that the space squeeze inside laptops, coupled with the increasing bit densities involved are going to make for thinner disks. Look at what IBM has done with its current models, from the lowly i Series to 600's; they all handle 12.5, not 17mm drives. To me that says that they aren't going to go about using the older larger size any more. It will be very interesting to see what disk size the new A20's and T20's can handle. If the higher end units can't take 17mm disks then I think that will be significant. I know already that there are some interested 7mm disks in Japan in the 8 or 9G range, with really good shock handling characteristics. As an aside, a hardware type friend of mine has speculated that we may be on the cusp of another leap in disk drive capacities soon. He reads things that the disks folks write and understands the subtle nuances of magnetic theory and says this. 'Twill be interesting to see if he's right. --STeve Andre' At 07:45 PM 4/21/00 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: >I would be interested in that paper or web site. To push the >envelope, I can't see companies waiting until their technology >can be sized into a 12.5mm form factor. IBM isn't the only one >making HDs either. In addition, the 770 series will allow a user >access to their old data if needed (or anyone needing to work with >a larger form factor laptop HD for whatever reason) or save $$$ by buying a HD >in the larger form factor when the smaller becomes available. >There is zero disadvantage of the HD bay on the 770, and it is >an advantage over the 600 series. I agree that density is only going >to improve (as it has for years ), but coupled with a larger >form factor, they can stuff even more capacity in that puppy. Of course >at what point is, "enough is enough." >:-) Heck, I don't even use >all the capacity of the stock 14.1gb drive in my 770z! > >At 07:27 PM 04/21/2000 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > >I think I remember reading a paper on new disk technologies which said that > >12.5mm was going to be a standard for the next while, and 17mm wouldn't > >be needed. IBM has gotten up to around 17 billion bits per square inch now > >in data density and I got the impression thats only going to improve, so the > >new disks won't be as tall as before. > > > >Witness the 32 and 30G IBM disks at 12.mm. Also, consider that smaller > >notebooks could use the smaller disks. > > > >Now if only I could remember the site where I was reading about all this... > > > >STeve Andre' > > > >At 07:16 PM 4/21/00 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: > >>At 10:35 PM 04/21/2000 BST, Anthony R. Gold wrote: > >> >In message <15782.000420@falkor.chi.il.us> "Ronald W. Heiby" writes: > >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> >> Hash: SHA1 > >> >> > >> >> Thursday, April 06, 2000, 2:49:29 PM, Randal wrote: > >> >> RW> The 770 had only 3 things over the original 600: > >> >> RW> (1) Video capability (presumably in or out), ... > >> >> RW> (2) Hardware-assisted MPEG playback ... > >> >> RW> (3) the largest 14.1" screen with 1280x1024 resolution ... > >> >> RW> EVERYTHING else the 770 had or did, the 600 matched quite nicely. > >> >> > >> >> Cool! I didn't know that I could put two 25Gig HDs into a 600 series, > >> >> or even ONE 25Gig HD. Which model is it that has this capability, so I > >> >> can consider it for replacing my 770ED? > >> > > >> >Check out http://www.storage.ibm.com/press/hdd/20000412.htm for info > >> >on the 30GT, a 12.5mm 30GB 4,200rpm drive which should allow 60GB in > >> >any 600 series thinkpad, when using both main and slimbay; volume are > >> >shipments promised in May. > >> > > >> > >>The point is when technology pushes new HD capacities, they initially > >>come out in >12.5mm sizes on a frequent basis and these drives have > >>larger capacities and sometimes faster rpm rates. In time, similar > >>capacity devices are offered in smaller form factor(s) as technology > >>affords it. The 770 series can accomodate larger physically sized > >>HDs (>12.5mm). The 600 series can not. This was the case with the > >>25gb drive, and I suspect it will happen again in the future with > >>other drives, manufacturers and capacities as they push the envelope > >>for speed and capacity. > >> > >>Mark > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------- > >>Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > >>800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > >>Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > >>Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > >>------------------------------------------------- > >>Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > >>RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > >>Network and System consultation and installation > >>-------------------------------------------------- > > > > >------------------------------------------------- >Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 >Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >------------------------------------------------- >Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >Network and System consultation and installation >-------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Apr 21 20:35:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA24090 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:35:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17537; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:33:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17380; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17366; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:33:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (207.115.153.22 -> smtppop3.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:33:48 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop3.gte.net with SMTP ; id TAA13544778 Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:33:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004220033.TAA13544778@smtppop3.gte.net> To: "Allan Ballard" , Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:33:46 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: My contribution to this list List-Unsubscribe: Addressed to: "Allan Ballard" Thinkpad List ** Reply to note from "Allan Ballard" Fri, 21 Apr 2000 08:59:29 -0400 (EDT) > If I could figure a way to do the NetBui thing > in Warp, I'd go back in a blink. Warp 3 or Warp 4? I have Warp 4 machines running here on a peer network with Win98 machines. Not much to it if drivers exist for your NIC. You can even run Samba on Linux to make it look like a NETBEUI/NETBIOS peer to other machines on the network. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/21/00, 19:33:43 From cph Fri Apr 21 20:41:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA24126 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:41:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18053; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:40:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17894; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mur3.odyssey.on.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17881; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mur3.odyssey.on.ca (209.213.224.2 -> mur3.odyssey.on.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:40:09 -0400 Received: from odyssey.on.ca (ts8-33.odyssey.on.ca [209.213.229.233]) by mur3.odyssey.on.ca (8.9.1/Odyssey) with ESMTP id UAA10706; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3900F47A.34229709@odyssey.on.ca> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 20:38:18 -0400 From: Dave X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: My contribution ..the right machine!! (tongue-in-cheek) References: <20000421212949.23696.qmail@ww183.netaddress.usa.net> <3.0.6.32.20000421193639.0140ca80@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi Mark.. For What It's Worth...... I am currently running: DOS-all versions 1.1 thru 7.0... Win 3.1...Win 3.11...Win95a...Win95b...Win98...Win98SE...NT4.0.. plus a whole bunch of service upgrades...Windows 2000, OS/2 ( Red and Blue Spine ) Ver 3, OS/2 Warp Advanced Server, Linux ( 6 different distributions, all using the latest kernel) and BEos........... All O/S's are ported to run on my Commodore 64.... Plays one hell of a game of Pacman......... Regards !!! Dave Sims Mark Bell wrote: > At 12:41 PM 04/21/2000 -1000, Keith @ LavaNet wrote: > >>----- Original Message ----- > >>From: Rob Bell > >>To: ThinkPad Mailing List > >>Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 11:29 AM > >>Subject: Re: My contribution to this list > >> > > > >>Even the minor slams like "windoze' that occur frequently aren't needed. > >>There's nothing constructive or mature about them. We're all adults here > >(I > >>can't imagine a lot of kids have a need for or can afford a ThinkPad), so > >>let's keep things professional. I don't necessarily love Microsoft or > >>Windows, but it permeates the marketplace (every one of my clients has used > >>Windows), so I accept it. > >> > >>Rob > > > >--Um I dunno about everyone else here, but I digress Rob. I'm here because > >I love the product (IBM thinkpads) and love tinkering with them and all > >other computers. While this list has been really helpful to me for my work, > >I thought this list was for the sharing of knowledge and general enjoyment > >of the Thinkpad experience. Sure we may all be adults, but it's the kid > >inside of us all who loves to tinker and play with our laptops in different > >ways. I don't believe we need to keep anything "professional" on this list, > >just friendly. If the list feels like bashing microsoft, let's bash > >microsoft. Through our bellyaching one our more talented members may find a > >solution to our problems. Sure we accept microsofts products, and the ones > >of us who don't simply use Linux, or Beos instead. In essence I'd say it's > >all good. Everyone of our comments are great so long as they don't hurt > >anyones feelings (sans Mr. Bill Gates-his feelings don't matter here.). The > >most recent charlitan hunt that went on to expose the phony TP 600 sellers > >on Ebay is a good example of the spirit of this group. It wasn't > >professional but it was great to see a bunch of guys and gals watch out for > >eachother and for prospective TP owners as well. So if Jon wants to bash > >MS, fine. Just don't bash eachother, we're all on the same side right? > >Maybe Jon knows of an ideal OS for a certain TP model. Jon? On the > >Internet we've still got a right to our own opinions and freedom of speech > >right? Let's use it for something nifty! That's it, just my 2cents and a > >billion in change. =) Play on! > > That's the difference. The ebay/yahoo issue was informative, helpful, and > factual. > Bashing another OS is not helpful. It IS opinionated and rarely > informative. A lot > of people do not like having their OS of choice chided or ridiculed. You > may not believe > it, but OSes are sensitive spot to some users. They're not going to switch > because someone > else bashes it. Instead, they're going to get irritated. "OS/2 is better than > Windoze!" "Linux is better than OhULoseTwo!" "Windows is better than Crappix" > and it gets worse. :) It is a lose/lose proposition. What positive, helpful > content comes out of: > > "You mean you would actualy PAY money to get windoze? I don't believe this, > i'd rather put my employer to pay for that, than spend my personal money > of a rather sad excuse of an operating system (even if it has good hardware > detection)." > > In the usenet groups and other lists, OSwars breed hostility and negativity > and when > it comes down to it, it will offer nothing to this list. We're not on this > list to > debate OSes. We're here to discuss Thinkpads and their products. I've been > involved > and witnessed enough OSwars and OSbashing to realize no side ever wins and > it really > does breed resentment along with the other things I mentioned above. Like one > netzien said, "Three things you never debate: Operating Systems, Religion and > Politics.....IN THAT ORDER!" :) If comments or messages like the quote above > started popping up in other lists and usenet groups, most of the readers would > assign it, "TROLL," status. >:-P > > Mark > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Apr 21 22:42:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA24729 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:42:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22397; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:40:09 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22244; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:40:09 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id WAA05044 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 22:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11640; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (38.8.20.2 -> relay20.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:08:29 -0400 Received: from [204.215.186.11] (helo=ntmail.doble.com) by relay20.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 12ijo5-0005cY-00; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:13:41 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:15:35 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Andrew Webber'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Reverse lookups by address, phone Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 16:15:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I did the search and found a few people there. The correct spelling is Steeles. It is one of the main streets in Thornhill. I noticed there was no business reverse search. I searched for post offices and mailbox places with out any hits however I did get some hits for other types of stores. So it looks like 800 has some businesses but nothing under post office or mailbox rental. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Webber [mailto:awebber@wwwebbers.com] Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 12:47 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Reverse lookups by address, phone On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:08:55 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >Unfortunely you cannot put >in an address and find out what is there. Although it's not very current (at least two months behind), reverse lookups by phone and by address are available at http://www.infospace.com/canada/reverse_ca.htm where there's also a link to the same for the U.S. I think it's based on Bell's phone books, so if the info isn't in Bell's directory, it isn't available here. andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Fri Apr 21 23:44:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA24917 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:43:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24344; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:40:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24154; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loomis.vermontel.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24141; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loomis.vermontel.net (204.164.106.19 -> loomis.vermontel.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:40:28 -0400 Received: from netzero (whit1-164.vermontel.net [206.102.230.168]) by loomis.vermontel.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA13860 for ; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:40:17 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pete@vermontel.net) From: "Pete Ferrand" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: key click? Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 23:40:21 -0400 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <200004220033.TAA13544778@smtppop3.gte.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I'm very happy with my new-to-me 760EL but considering it's IBM I am disappointed the keys don't click like my IBM desktop keyboard. Unless I've missed the setting in the manual I don't see it anywhere. There were some ancient utilities to do this in software I vaguely recall but I wonder if anyone has added this attribute more-or-less recently. I'm using Win95, will upgrade to 98 eventually, more quickly if I can find a 20X or better CD-ROM for the Ultrabay or the IDE adapter for the Dock Station I. Thanks. -Pete Plainfield, NH From cph Sat Apr 22 03:33:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA25379 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:33:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA01462; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:30:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA01179; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA01164; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:30:45 -0400 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.27) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 22 Apr 2000 03:27:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000701bfac2c$d0dc4be0$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" Cc: "Thinkpad List" References: <20000422043242.7431.qmail@web3803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [760ED] Audio/Video recording techniques... Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 03:31:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Garrett, I couldn't find that exe on the Win98SE cd, however it was on the Win95 OSR2.5 cd. I ran the program, selected my video source, and played around a bit. It seems I'm still having the same trouble as I did with the other programs-I set it up to record a 15fps video, 10seconds long. When it asked me for the space to allocate for the video, I put in 50mb...The status bar at the bottom said it was setting up for capture, the HDD was spinning, however the system was locked after that. For the entire time I'v had my 760, the 'IBM MPEG PCI Bridge' device under DeviceManager->Sound, Video, game controllers has had a yellow 'X' over it. When I go to the properties, it tells me "The MMDEVLDR.VXD device loader(s) for this device could not load the device driver (code 2). It is sitting on IRQ 11, which is setup in the IBM setup program. It is not conflicting with any other device as far as I know. This is the device listed on IRQ 11: 'Trident 9685/9680/9682/9385/9382/9385-1 PCI, which is my display IRQ. These *should* be the same IRQ, right? (trident video display and capture device?) -Thanks! -Jamie Recieve a free DVD player with 15 referalls-100 times better than that alladvantage crap! http://www.ikena.com/contest/referral.cfm?refCID=slipnfall ----- Original Message ----- From: Garrett Kaste To: Slip Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [760ED] Audio/Video recording techniques... Hello there Jamie This is killdamac I have the 760xd as you know, and I have used this a lot. On the windows 95 cd, mabey win98 too, havent checked, there is a file called vidcap32.exe. This will work with the TPs features. I dont know if it works with the 3.55 line though. But you do not need it either. You can use the s-vid jack for recording video and then the composite for audio. If you do not have an s-vid jack, like myself, you can get a cable to adapt that, or build one, like I did. Here is a wiring link: http://www.hut.fi/Misc/Electronics/circuits/svideo2cvideo.html Also, your 760 should be fine recording speed wize. My 760xd is a 166 with 104mb, and it records without flaws, even meanwhile I have a IE window open or something. I am looking into finding software that is Linux compatable. I have not yet looked at any of the included software with Mandrake Red Hat 7, which I will install soon. If you have any other questions please email back. If you wish to chat sometime I use Aol IM, and I will get ICQ once I get back to my cable modem(on the road now) BTW..did you mail that pcmcia tester card, I have not recived it yet Garrett Kaste --- Slip wrote: > Hi there, > I know this question was asked before, but I > have somewhat of a > different question. First and foremost is what > software *can* be used with > the 760ED to record? The one or two programs that I > have tried lock the > system up when i attempt to record. I can *view* the > incoming video fine, > but no recording. This system is not retail so I do > not have any original > software disks/cd's from IBM. > > Second questions is how do you record audio with > the video? The video > cable obviously does not have provisions for > recording the audio at the same > time. I could take a Left/Right-to-35mm cable from > my TV, but will the > software be able to record the audio at the same > time? This all seems > posible, but is the 760ED fast enough to keep up > with it? I'm running Win98 > on a 3.2G HDD, 32mb Ram, and in 1024x768. > > The video input on the 760ED does not seem worth > anything IMHO if you > can not record the sounds which it is sync'd to... > > Any ideas/suggestions? Thanks! > > -Jamie > > Recieve a free DVD player with 15 referalls-100 > times better than that > alladvantage crap! > http://www.ikena.com/contest/referral.cfm?refCID=slipnfall > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From cph Sat Apr 22 04:41:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA25529 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:41:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04847; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:39:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04747; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA04734; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243 -> maynard.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:39:16 -0400 Received: from user-38lcacn.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcacn.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.41.151]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA10631; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:39:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004220839.EAA10631@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "m.o.davis@gte.net" , "Thinkpad List" Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004220033.TAA13544778@smtppop3.gte.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: My contribution to this list List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 19:33:46, m.o.davis@gte.net wrote: >Warp 3 or Warp 4? I have Warp 4 machines running here on a peer network with >Win98 machines. Not much to it if drivers exist for your NIC. Warp 4. I thought that NT clients had to use NetBeui, if that protocol was established on the server? I am talking about dialing in to an NT RAS email server, not using a NIC. So I can't do the peer to peer setup, as I use my laptop in part to collect email while on the road. From cph Sat Apr 22 05:33:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA25608 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 05:33:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10902; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 05:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 05:32:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10821; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 05:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10807; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 05:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 05:32:29 -0400 Received: from lorie ([199.179.174.118]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20000422093228.EQHP823.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@lorie>; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:32:28 -0500 Message-ID: <017c01bfac3b$0d36b400$1396f2cc@lorie.designcraft.com> From: "Aaron W. Brown" To: , "Mark Bell" Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks (was: i Series horror stories?) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 04:13:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: > >The point is when technology pushes new HD capacities, they initially >come out in >12.5mm sizes on a frequent basis and these drives have >larger capacities and sometimes faster rpm rates. In time, similar >capacity devices are offered in smaller form factor(s) as technology >affords it. The 770 series can accomodate larger physically sized >HDs (>12.5mm). The 600 series can not. This was the case with the >25gb drive, and I suspect it will happen again in the future with >other drives, manufacturers and capacities as they push the envelope >for speed and capacity. > >Mark A fatter drive by definition has a capacity and performance increase over a thinner drive of equal media density and rpm. Because a 17mm drive has more platters/heads, data is read/written faster when compared to a 12.5 (or thinner) drive. A 17mm drive could have 5 platters, so 10 heads. Whereas a 12.5mm would have only 3 platters and 6 heads. 10 heads handles more data that 6. 40% more. That's a lot of real performance where it counts. The thick drive stores 40% more data too. For the same reason, (more media/heads) the fatter drives cost more to make than the thinner drives. The lower cost allows the thin drive to be the new defacto standard. The fat drive is faster and stores more so it hangs on. When thin get close in capacity to thick the writing is on the wall. Aaron Brown From cph Sat Apr 22 08:02:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA26008 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:02:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14521; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:01:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14439; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14426; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:01:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.120.18 -> goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:01:30 -0400 Received: from miles (ip69.an11-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.22.69]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA15274; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 05:01:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "David Newman" To: "Jon" , Subject: Good deal?! (was: RE: My contribution to this list/OS wars) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:01:27 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > For only $129 > > you get > > 1) Windows 2000 Professional > 2) Windows 2000 Advanced Server Has anyone yet gone for this? If so, how many users are licensed with W2KAS? Another good deal for developers is MS Developers Network, which for 700-2000 bucks includes ALL the MS products and a year of updates. The catch is that the servers have something like a 2-user license. dn From cph Sat Apr 22 08:15:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA26078 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:15:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14879; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:15:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14780; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14767; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:15:03 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-e089.otenet.gr [212.205.247.89]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01604 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:15:00 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004221215.PAA01604@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:15:05 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: NeoMagic is out... List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA14879 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA26080 Just in case no one has mentioned it before... NeoMagic the makers of the graphics chipsets of many ThinkPads has moved to wireless communications and dropped their video chipsets. http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20000420S0013 þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Apr 22 08:26:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA26115 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:26:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15247; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:26:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15162; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15147; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:26:01 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-e089.otenet.gr [212.205.247.89]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA15208 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:25:58 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004221225.PAA15208@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:26:03 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: My contribution to this list List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA15247 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA26116 On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 13:18:13 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >And for sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S., how about actually appending a name to one of >your messages? Or are we supposed to continue to guess the hidden meaning? I'll >vote for Silly, Empty, Humorless, Hyperbole. i'm stuck with 'sehh' because thats my nickname since my old days in Fidonet back in 89... so its not easy to change that when people know me by sehh and not by my real name. Although i've already created an email with my real name (dimitris@michelinakis.gr) but i haven't had the time to convert all the mailing lists from this email to the new one. sorry for this its not my intention to remain 'hidden', but most people know me by sehh also because of my freeware programs for OS/2. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Apr 22 08:48:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA26175 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:48:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15774; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:48:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15671; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15658; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:47:58 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-e089.otenet.gr [212.205.247.89]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA11979 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:47:54 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004221247.PAA11979@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:47:58 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004220839.EAA10631@maynard.mail.mindspring.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: My contribution to this list List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA15774 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA26176 On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:44:13 -0400 (EDT), Allan Ballard wrote: >Warp 4. I thought that NT clients had to use NetBeui, if >that protocol was established on the server? I am >talking about dialing in to an NT RAS email server, not using >a NIC. >So I can't do the peer to peer setup, as I use my laptop >in part to collect email while on the road. NetBIOS is the protocol and NetBEUI is the 'transportation'. When using NetBIOS, you have a choice of either 'over NetBEUI' or 'over TCPIP'. OS/2 and Windoze support both ways, but Samba (unix etc) supports only 'over TCPIP'. The main difference is that 'over TCPIP' it can span over networks and be routed. 'over NetBEUI' can't be routed, unless you use special software. If you want to access NetBIOS resources over a dialup when you are on the road, then you should use "NetBIOS over TCPIP". Ofcourse the resources must also be shared 'over tcpip' by the server. My local intranet server shares the resources over NetBEUI and over TCPIP at the same time, running OS/2 Warp Server for e-b. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Apr 22 08:53:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA26185 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:53:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15938; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:53:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15851; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15837; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:53:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:53:28 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-e089.otenet.gr [212.205.247.89]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA19339 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:53:25 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004221253.PAA19339@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:53:31 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: thanks List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA15938 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA26186 Thank you all for your detailed feedback on my question what is the circle scam, i've never used any internet auction sites, but if i do i'll be very caerful. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Apr 22 09:10:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA26217 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:10:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16422; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:09:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16332; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16318; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:09:39 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-e089.otenet.gr [212.205.247.89]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA08939 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 16:09:35 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004221309.QAA08939@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 16:09:40 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <3A406713.B770E447@theriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id JAA16422 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA26218 On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 01:00:48 -0700, Ramon Solarzano wrote: >We have tested it quite thoroughly on 2100 computers at 138 locations >at a group of Government facilities I am not allowed to name. We are >finding it amazingly stable... certainly more so than any other >version. It is also easier to use, easier to install, easier for the >MIS staff to manage... But it does not work properly with a lot of >older versions of application software... I don't think this is a >problem for the system, but serious users will have to upgrade some of >their applications. Because you can run it on 2100 computer at 138 locations doesn't mean windoze2k is a good operating system. It all depends on the applications that run on it too, and as you said some applications don't run under it. And thats very important for many people who use old software. An IBMer told me that win2k is officialy banned from IBM sites, since it breaks existing applications and systems, one example is that you can't use many boot managers with win2k because win2k on bootup will remove them, that happens with IBM's BootManager and some versions of SystemCommander and others. (i think there is a fixed version of SystemCommander) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Apr 22 09:19:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA26256 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:19:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16756; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:19:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16676; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:19:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16663; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:19:37 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-e089.otenet.gr [212.205.247.89]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA21084 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 16:19:34 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004221319.QAA21084@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 16:19:39 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: OSwars List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id JAA16756 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA26257 I've got to say one last thing about OSwars and specificly on windoze. Windoze as an operating system is in many ways good for us, because it has huge ammounts of hardware requirements, so more people will buy more powerful systems and so prices will drop and new hardware will be invented to support more crappy/demanding software (win2k). Also windoze is good in one more way, its easy to learn and to teach to others, because of all the 'visual' help that new users get to understand windoze, unlike other operating systems which are quite hard to teach/learn. So why do we bash on M$ and windoze? Because M$ is forcing us into a monopoly. Most people don't have a choice, because M$ forces the standards to be M$ Office, M$ FrontPage, M$ PowerPoint and whatever other 'invention' they come up with. And ontop of that, the prices of these products are very high, especially when their software has so many bugs. I hope i've explained why me and many others may not be very friendly when talking about M$ and M$ software. PS: those who have been in the software business know that M$ didn't even do many inventions, most of their technology came by M$ taking over some other company or by plain copying others. M$ has a long history with the law, since the 1991 they've been sued for many things including the DRDOS scum. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Apr 22 10:33:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA26441 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:33:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18062; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:32:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17953; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17940; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:32:38 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.13.118]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000422143232.YXMN9725.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 14:32:32 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01bfac67$aeec6480$083a4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: z50 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:29:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. As you all may already know, microsoft has introduced a new OS. This is to compete with the "Palm" OS. One of the issues that most people did not like was that "Old" (windows CE) OS was much like windows itself. The new OS is simpler, faster, and works ( almost a copy ) like the Palm OS. The thing I would like to know is, can the z50 and other devices like it run the new OS,? or are we stuck in the CE zone forever?. From cph Sat Apr 22 11:27:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA26624 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:27:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19171; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:27:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19090; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:27:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fama.webcombo.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19075; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fama.webcombo.net (207.250.9.22 -> mail.webcombo.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 11:27:22 -0400 Received: from pentium350 (3Cust199.tnt22.atl2.da.uu.net [63.36.159.199]) by fama.webcombo.net (8.9.3/[.92 webCOMBO - ALL UCE PROHIBITED]) with SMTP id KAA25299; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:24:16 -0500 Message-ID: <006c01bfac67$01c28f00$c79f243f@pentium350> From: "Richard Chalk" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" References: <200004221309.QAA08939@athserv.otenet.gr> Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 10:28:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id LAA19171 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA26625 Works fine with PowerQuest BootMagic. I have a 770Z set up with 98SE, 2000 Pro, and Millennium, all on different primary partitions, and it is flawless. Our company is not converting to 2000 yet, because we have thousands of computers, dozens, if not hundreds of servers, and they want to conduct a proper evaluation first. It is just normal caution on the part of our IT department. Also, it's expensive... Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. To: thinkpad Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 11:09 AM Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 01:00:48 -0700, Ramon Solarzano wrote: >We have tested it quite thoroughly on 2100 computers at 138 locations >at a group of Government facilities I am not allowed to name. We are >finding it amazingly stable... certainly more so than any other >version. It is also easier to use, easier to install, easier for the >MIS staff to manage... But it does not work properly with a lot of >older versions of application software... I don't think this is a >problem for the system, but serious users will have to upgrade some of >their applications. Because you can run it on 2100 computer at 138 locations doesn't mean windoze2k is a good operating system. It all depends on the applications that run on it too, and as you said some applications don't run under it. And thats very important for many people who use old software. An IBMer told me that win2k is officialy banned from IBM sites, since it breaks existing applications and systems, one example is that you can't use many boot managers with win2k because win2k on bootup will remove them, that happens with IBM's BootManager and some versions of SystemCommander and others. (i think there is a fixed version of SystemCommander) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Apr 22 12:02:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26749 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:02:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20391; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:02:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:01:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20302; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20289; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:01:33 -0400 Received: from tp600e (lvx-nv34-120.ix.netcom.com [205.184.241.120]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09631; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008b01bfac74$3d758900$8bf1b8cd@tp600e> Reply-To: "James" From: "James" To: "thinkpad" Cc: "Long Tran" , "Alec Wong" , "Ellie" References: <200004221319.QAA21084@athserv.otenet.gr> Subject: Re: OSwars Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:02:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id MAA20391 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA26750 It is really interesting to see so many people bashing Win2k and MS. Two issues comes to mind - 1) Win2k is "not stable and etc...." and 2) MS is a monoploy. 1) I personally use Windows and Linux on a daily basis. I work at a US National lab where nuclear test data are collected and analyzed. Since large amount of data are being processed on a daily basis by our database Orcacle2000 ), I can really tell the performance difference between varies OS. What is interesting is that there are a large number of people believe Win2K is not stable and performance is terrible. Both from my experience is untrue. Our database is faster running on Win2K server than on Linux ( with X-windows ) on the same hardware - IBM, Dell and Compaq servers. Our Win2k severs have never crashed. On the otherhand, linux didn't crashed completely but it did crashed our apps a few times. 2) Monopoly. I agree MS has the intention to capture market but that is what running a business is all about. MS is not a non-profit organization and should be evaluated based on business objectives. Futhermore, no one has ever accused Cisco for that even through it acquired over 10 companies last year and plan to acquire another 18 this year ( Fortune Mag ). In fact John Cambers is famed for acquiring companies and is praised for that among corporate CEO and Wall St. I don't think people are forced to use Word or other MS products. At the federal facility where I work, we use Lotus Notes, Suites and WordPerfect softwares and have never run into major problem for not using MS products. All this means is that one can choose to use non-MS products if one wills to do so. In conclusion, my positions is netural and don't wish to engage in the offense nor defensive side of MS. The irony is that it may have some monopolistic power but it has it only because MS made some softwares that is relatively easy to use which appeal to the public at large. Adam Smith's invisiable hand is at work! ----- Original Message ----- From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 8:19 AM Subject: OSwars I've got to say one last thing about OSwars and specificly on windoze. Windoze as an operating system is in many ways good for us, because it has huge ammounts of hardware requirements, so more people will buy more powerful systems and so prices will drop and new hardware will be invented to support more crappy/demanding software (win2k). Also windoze is good in one more way, its easy to learn and to teach to others, because of all the 'visual' help that new users get to understand windoze, unlike other operating systems which are quite hard to teach/learn. So why do we bash on M$ and windoze? Because M$ is forcing us into a monopoly. Most people don't have a choice, because M$ forces the standards to be M$ Office, M$ FrontPage, M$ PowerPoint and whatever other 'invention' they come up with. And ontop of that, the prices of these products are very high, especially when their software has so many bugs. I hope i've explained why me and many others may not be very friendly when talking about M$ and M$ software. PS: those who have been in the software business know that M$ didn't even do many inventions, most of their technology came by M$ taking over some other company or by plain copying others. M$ has a long history with the law, since the 1991 they've been sued for many things including the DRDOS scum. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Apr 22 12:36:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26879 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:36:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21467; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:35:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21383; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:35:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21366; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (207.181.194.95 -> atlas.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:35:55 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by atlas.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA04434 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from think2k (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA04848 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:35:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006f01bfac78$f0dad730$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "thinkpad" References: <200004221319.QAA21084@athserv.otenet.gr> <008b01bfac74$3d758900$8bf1b8cd@tp600e> Subject: Re: OSwars Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:36:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Please take the OS Wars to some other list. It's a pointless exercise and only inflames people. Thanks. David W. Taylor, Detayls. From cph Sat Apr 22 12:47:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26938 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:47:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21951; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:47:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21862; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21849; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (192.160.13.1 -> bolero.rahul.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:47:33 -0400 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA20290 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:47:31 -0700 Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by bolero.rahul.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 00C9D97006 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 20273 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2000 16:47:29 -0000 Received: from m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com (HELO NewPad) (198.144.205.90) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 22 Apr 2000 16:47:29 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" Subject: RE: OSwars Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:47:30 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200004221319.QAA21084@athserv.otenet.gr> List-Unsubscribe: > I hope i've explained why me and many others may not be very friendly when > talking about M$ and M$ software. Yes, you have. No offense intended, but everybody has heard those arguments a few times already. Please let it rest, OK? Besides, what if my ThinkPad is running Windows 2000 and Linux at the same time (using VMware)? Man, the fight could turn ugly! -Mike From cph Sat Apr 22 12:48:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26945 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:48:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22087; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:48:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22002; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21985; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.40 -> mail1.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:48:26 -0400 Received: from 452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000422164825.VPOD15824.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@452366-a>; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:48:25 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: "Mark Lemon" Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:48:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: What is the "pink screen" problem? Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com CC: Message-ID: <39019F99.14944.4730B8D@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <000701bfa18a$55fa77a0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> References: <4.3.1.0.20000408001547.00d1f540@pilot.msu.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi Mark, Is there any correlation with low temps? Could be electrical, or LCD related. Tom At 2000 April 8 - Saturday 13:43, Mark Lemon spoke about *RE: What is the "pink screen" probl...* saying > on my TP600, about one out of 3 times I start the box all > the white letters have a pink/static/halo effect. The MS > Windows logo looks like a tie-dyed tee shirt, and the main > screens icon fonts are streaked with the pink static so as > to be unreadable. When I start MSWord, the white sheet of > paper is pink. > > Sometimes the DOS text starts pink, but the problem "cures" > itself when the LCD jumps to graphics mode. Moving the > screen back and forth (assuming it is a bad ribbon cable) > appears to have no effect (I'm gentle). Only a cold boot. > > My frustration is sometimes it will happen over and over, > whilst other times it will go for a couple days without > problem. Fortunately, I almost exclusively use a docking > station, so my normal monitor & working is unaffected. > ... ------------------------- Tom Trottier, Abacurial IT Consulting ICQ: 57647974 400 Slater St.Suite 415, Ottawa Ontario Canada K1R 7S7 __o _ \< +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 (+)/'(+) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Sat Apr 22 12:54:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26976 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:54:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22392; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:54:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22311; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22298; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:54:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (192.160.13.1 -> bolero.rahul.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:54:29 -0400 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA21443 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:54:27 -0700 Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by bolero.rahul.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 25B9697006 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:54:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 21427 invoked from network); 22 Apr 2000 16:54:25 -0000 Received: from m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com (HELO NewPad) (198.144.205.90) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 22 Apr 2000 16:54:25 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Aaron W. Brown" , , "Mark Bell" Subject: RE: Big Fat Disks (was: i Series horror stories?) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:54:27 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <017c01bfac3b$0d36b400$1396f2cc@lorie.designcraft.com> List-Unsubscribe: > A fatter drive by definition has a capacity and performance increase > over a thinner drive of equal media density and rpm. Because a 17mm > drive has more platters/heads, data is read/written faster when > compared to a 12.5 (or thinner) drive. A 17mm drive could have 5 platters, > so 10 heads. Whereas a 12.5mm would have only 3 platters and 6 heads. 10 > heads handles more data that 6. 40% more. That's a lot of real performance > where it counts. The thick drive stores 40% more data too. Do they read/write using multiple heads in parallel? I thought they used one head at a time, which would mean there's no speed advantage to having more platters. (And perhaps a slight speed disadvantage because the head assembly has more mass to move around.) Of course, I could be mistaken about this... -Mike From cph Sat Apr 22 13:18:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27076 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:18:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23248; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:18:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:17:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23138; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23125; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.117 -> pilot017.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:17:49 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm457-08.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.114]) by pilot017.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA41618 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:17:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000422131135.00e04ee0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:17:46 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: What is the "pink screen" problem? In-Reply-To: <39019F99.14944.4730B8D@localhost> References: <000701bfa18a$55fa77a0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> <4.3.1.0.20000408001547.00d1f540@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Before I got my i 1451 fixed for this problem, I noticed that in colder temperatures, or when the unit had been off for a while, the pink effect was worse--sometimes very much so. For me, it always cleared after 20 seconds or so. So whatever this is, I think temperature affects it. --STeve Andre' At 12:48 PM 4/22/00 -0400, Tom Trottier wrote: >Hi Mark, > >Is there any correlation with low temps? Could be electrical, or LCD >related. > >Tom > >At 2000 April 8 - Saturday 13:43, Mark Lemon >spoke about *RE: What is the "pink screen" probl...* saying > > > on my TP600, about one out of 3 times I start the box all > > the white letters have a pink/static/halo effect. The MS > > Windows logo looks like a tie-dyed tee shirt, and the main > > screens icon fonts are streaked with the pink static so as > > to be unreadable. When I start MSWord, the white sheet of > > paper is pink. > > > > Sometimes the DOS text starts pink, but the problem "cures" > > itself when the LCD jumps to graphics mode. Moving the > > screen back and forth (assuming it is a bad ribbon cable) > > appears to have no effect (I'm gentle). Only a cold boot. > > > > My frustration is sometimes it will happen over and over, > > whilst other times it will go for a couple days without > > problem. Fortunately, I almost exclusively use a docking > > station, so my normal monitor & working is unaffected. > > >... >------------------------- >Tom Trottier, Abacurial IT Consulting ICQ: 57647974 >400 Slater St.Suite 415, Ottawa Ontario Canada K1R 7S7 > __o > _ \< +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 >(+)/'(+) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at > http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Sat Apr 22 13:37:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27145 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:37:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23868; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:37:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23782; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaae.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23769; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaae.compuserve.com (149.174.177.154 -> hs-img-5.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:37:28 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id NAA02516 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:37:04 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: $$ Refund from Microsoft !! Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200004221337_MC2-A22C-431A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA27146 Following recent threads on the idea of spending YOUR personal money on a Windows OS... don't forget that if you purchase a new PC with Win x OEM preinstalled, you can apply to MS for a refund as long as you don't boot the machine from MS software in any way! So, if you are only going to use Linux, have a Linux boot disk and boot the system from that and install your OS removing Win. I know the Linux groups will have more on the finer detailing on this... Mark From cph Sat Apr 22 13:55:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27210 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:55:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24417; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:55:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24333; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24320; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:55:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:55:31 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc2a51.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.180]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA27916 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004221755.NAA27916@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc2a51.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.180] 209.198.116.180 Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:55:56 -0400 To: thinkpad In-Reply-To: <200004221337_MC2-A22C-431A@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: $$ Refund from Microsoft !! X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 List-Unsubscribe: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> said: >Following recent threads on the idea of spending YOUR personal money on a >Windows OS... don't forget that if you purchase a new PC with Win x OEM >preinstalled, you can apply to MS for a refund as long as you don't boot the >machine from MS software in any way! >So, if you are only going to use Linux, have a Linux boot disk and boot the >system from that and install your OS removing Win. I know the Linux groups >will have more on the finer detailing on this... Do you know anyone who actually got a refund? _____________ Ed Letourneau From cph Sat Apr 22 15:21:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA27479 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:21:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26766; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:20:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26669; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26656; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:20:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (216.100.248.113 -> adsl-216-100-248-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:20:01 -0400 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcpA.cinnamon.com [192.0.2.138]) by cinnamon.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA13748; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3901FAFA.BCBE001D@ricochet.net> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:18:18 -0700 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: "Aaron W. Brown" , ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu, Mark Bell Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks (was: i Series horror stories?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: But the head assembly has less moving to do as well. You pays your money, you takes your chances. It's nice that we finally got faster access to RAM, but disk i/o is just so slow compared to what it was years and years ago, relative to processor speed. Michael Geary wrote: > > A fatter drive by definition has a capacity and performance increase > > over a thinner drive of equal media density and rpm. Because a 17mm > > drive has more platters/heads, data is read/written faster when > > compared to a 12.5 (or thinner) drive. A 17mm drive could have 5 > platters, > > so 10 heads. Whereas a 12.5mm would have only 3 platters and 6 heads. 10 > > heads handles more data that 6. 40% more. That's a lot of real > performance > > where it counts. The thick drive stores 40% more data too. > > Do they read/write using multiple heads in parallel? I thought they used one > head at a time, which would mean there's no speed advantage to having more > platters. (And perhaps a slight speed disadvantage because the head assembly > has more mass to move around.) Of course, I could be mistaken about this... > > -Mike From cph Sat Apr 22 15:41:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA27528 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:41:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27459; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:40:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27377; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27362; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 15:40:31 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA01404 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3901FFEC.CFD0ACB7@stanford.edu> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 12:39:24 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad Subject: Microsoft, monopolies and dirty tricks References: <200004221319.QAA21084@athserv.otenet.gr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > those who have been in the software business know that M$ didn't even > do many inventions, most of their technology came by M$ taking over > some other company or by plain copying others. M$ has a long history > with the law, since the 1991 they've been sued for many things including > the DRDOS scum. > Longtime DOS heads may also remember the Stacker debacle. Stac Electronics made outstanding realtime compression software that (in its last version) gave actual 2:1 or better ratios. They also had a hardware ISA version, but discontinued it when 386/486 machines showed no significant speed penalty using just software. Stac made the mistake of entering licensing talks with Microsoft. When the talks broke down, Microsoft reused the code Stac had shared to create Drivespace and packaged it with MS-DOS 6. This was illegal, but by the time the courts declared Stac the winner of the lawsuit, it was game over for Stac - too many people had already discovered that an inferior (but usable) product is infinitely better in a cost/benefit analysis when the cost is zero. Benjamin -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a 68k Mac or PC without installing IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Sat Apr 22 18:01:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28076 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:01:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08960; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:59:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08735; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08722; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:59:56 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <27SSJ2JS>; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:56:29 -0400 Message-ID: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1DFA@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: "'thinkpad '" Subject: RE: Microsoft, monopolies and dirty tricks Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:56:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Unfortunately this thread has very little to do with Thinkpads. Can we PLEASE get back on topic? Also, most of us post rather infrequently. A few of us post constantly. I think too often. Is there any interest in having a limit (informal or otherwise) to the number of messages any one subscriber to the list would post in any 24 hr perio? As they say, "just my two cents". Regards, Neil -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Koh Cc: thinkpad Sent: 4/22/00 3:39 PM Subject: Microsoft, monopolies and dirty tricks > those who have been in the software business know that M$ didn't even > do many inventions, most of their technology came by M$ taking over > some other company or by plain copying others. M$ has a long history > with the law, since the 1991 they've been sued for many things including > the DRDOS scum. > Longtime DOS heads may also remember the Stacker debacle. Stac Electronics made outstanding realtime compression software that (in its last version) gave actual 2:1 or better ratios. They also had a hardware ISA version, but discontinued it when 386/486 machines showed no significant speed penalty using just software. Stac made the mistake of entering licensing talks with Microsoft. When the talks broke down, Microsoft reused the code Stac had shared to create Drivespace and packaged it with MS-DOS 6. This was illegal, but by the time the courts declared Stac the winner of the lawsuit, it was game over for Stac - too many people had already discovered that an inferior (but usable) product is infinitely better in a cost/benefit analysis when the cost is zero. Benjamin -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a 68k Mac or PC without installing IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Sat Apr 22 18:09:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28104 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:09:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09369; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:09:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09292; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09271; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:09:22 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.13.187]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000422220920.VVKQ1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:09:20 +0000 Message-ID: <000701bfaca7$0e9c3f60$bb0d4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Windows CE Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:06:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. Just when you thought,,,,,,,,,, Some people out there are changing the OS in, what was, windows CE machines. This is done by re-write of the ROM, or replacement of the chips on the ROM carrier. This was done because " We wanted a choice " said one of the programmers. There is no plan to make ROMs available, " I could have bought a new computer ) for what I have in this ( program ) ". I do not see the people involved going into business anytime soon,,,,, After all, what do kids 10 to 15 years old know?. From cph Sat Apr 22 18:14:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28120 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:14:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09760; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:13:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09669; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09656; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:13:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:13:41 -0400 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12775 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port69.magma.ca [209.217.123.69]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09682 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004222213.SAA09682@mail3.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:08:43 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <200004221755.NAA27916@pike.sover.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: $$ Refund from Microsoft !! List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:55:56 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> said: > >>So, if you are only going to use Linux, have a Linux boot disk and boot the >>system from that and install your OS removing Win. I know the Linux groups >>will have more on the finer detailing on this... > >Do you know anyone who actually got a refund? There have been some, although it isn't from Microsoft, it's from the OEM. See http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2209072,00.html andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sat Apr 22 18:28:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28172 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:28:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10941; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:28:16 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10757; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:28:12 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id SAA01312 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19628; Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:15:41 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.207]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000422011538.ZUED6491.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 01:15:38 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000421211509.00a1cd70@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2000 21:15:09 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: My contribution to this list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:36 PM 04/21/2000 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: >Like one netzien said, "Three things you never debate: Operating Systems, Religion and >Politics.....IN THAT ORDER!" :) > >From what I've seen in comp.lang.cobol, I think you can add Editors and the eternal C vs COBOL debate to that list. From cph Sat Apr 22 18:54:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28258 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:54:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11956; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:54:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:53:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11857; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11844; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (129.250.36.41 -> dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:53:48 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12j8mT-0006sA-00 for ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:53:41 +0000 Received: from [205.212.2.41] (helo=laptop) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12j8mS-000624-00 for ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:53:40 +0000 Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Sandra Rozhon" To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:53:48 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: 365XD upgrade possiblity? Reply-to: srozhon@oh.verio.com Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3901FAFA.BCBE001D@ricochet.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.53/R1) Message-Id: List-Unsubscribe: I have a Thinkpad 365XD 133mhz with 16MB of RAM and a 1GB harddrive. What is the feasibility of upgrading RAM and the harddrive? What is the maximum memory for a machine of this type? What sort of harddrive should I be looking for? Is there a specific thickness and capacity that I need to look for? Thanks, Sandy From cph Sat Apr 22 19:08:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA28295 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 19:08:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12711; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 19:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 19:07:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12571; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 19:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12558; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 19:07:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (207.115.153.21 -> smtppop2.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 19:07:19 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop2.gte.net with SMTP ; id SAA18198507 Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:07:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004222307.SAA18198507@smtppop2.gte.net> To: "Allan Ballard" , Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:07:16 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: My contribution to this list List-Unsubscribe: Addressed to: "Allan Ballard" Thinkpad List ** Reply to note from "Allan Ballard" Fri, 21 Apr 2000 17:44:13 -0400 (EDT) > Warp 4. I thought that NT clients had to use NetBeui, if > that protocol was established on the server? I am > talking about dialing in to an NT RAS email server, not using > a NIC. Go to http://www.exit109.com/~jeremy/news/deja.html and search comp.os.os2.networking using "os/2 nt ras" without quotes as your search keywords. I found a few articles that could be of some help. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/22/00, 18:07:14 From cph Sat Apr 22 20:45:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA28613 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:45:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16272; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:43:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16137; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16110; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:43:51 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm453-39.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.193]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA44292 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:43:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000422202621.00de4d50@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:43:53 -0400 To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks In-Reply-To: <3901FAFA.BCBE001D@ricochet.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Heh... We have better disks--they're called Ultra SCSI 160 which can transfer 160M/s, which is about 2.4 times faster than the "new improved" 66M IDE disks. Why SCSI disks don't exist in the form factor for notebooks is something I have never understood. There is nothing in the SCSI hardware that couldn't be put into the size of the small disks that ThinkPad's use, so I guess it boils down to economics. Spending an extra $50 (although I can't imagine it would be that much) for a faster disk/controller on a laptop just seems to be beyond people. Price rules in the laptop world, just like it does in the desktop arena. --STeve Andre' At 12:18 PM 4/22/00 -0700, Andrew Scott Beals wrote: >But the head assembly has less moving to do as well. You pays your money, you >takes your chances. > >It's nice that we finally got faster access to RAM, but disk i/o is just >so slow >compared to what it was years and years ago, relative to processor speed. > >Michael Geary wrote: > > > > A fatter drive by definition has a capacity and performance increase > > > over a thinner drive of equal media density and rpm. Because a 17mm > > > drive has more platters/heads, data is read/written faster when > > > compared to a 12.5 (or thinner) drive. A 17mm drive could have 5 > > platters, > > > so 10 heads. Whereas a 12.5mm would have only 3 platters and 6 > heads. 10 > > > heads handles more data that 6. 40% more. That's a lot of real > > performance > > > where it counts. The thick drive stores 40% more data too. > > > > Do they read/write using multiple heads in parallel? I thought they > used one > > head at a time, which would mean there's no speed advantage to having more > > platters. (And perhaps a slight speed disadvantage because the head > assembly > > has more mass to move around.) Of course, I could be mistaken about this... > > > > -Mike From cph Sat Apr 22 20:58:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA28664 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:58:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17178; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:58:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17087; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17074; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:58:03 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.13.4]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000423005801.PNAN27191.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:58:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01bfacbf$1025b1a0$040d4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Big, Fat, Disks Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 19:58:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. The problem with SCSI is that, unlike IDE, it really is not universal, this is to say, you can not connect just anyones drive and any controller and have good service. Indeed, early on, there were SCSI controllers for just that brand of harddrive or even just a series within a companys line. IDE, on the other hand, because the controller is really on the drive, is most portable. Apple computer, a long supporter of SCSI, is now putting IDE in its machines. And, let's not forget, PCMCIA is nothing more than an extension of IDE. From cph Sat Apr 22 21:25:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA28782 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:25:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19357; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:25:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:25:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19278; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19265; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:25:15 -0400 Received: from dallas (ip38.bedford2.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.10.38]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA19318 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:25:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: Big, Fat, Disks Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:25:17 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfacc2$c8790330$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <000f01bfacbf$1025b1a0$040d4a0c@701c> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Thats all old wives tales now. Anything that doesn't work with an Adaptec or Symbios chipset gets thrown in the trash, so there are no more compatibility problems. All SCSI amounts to now is another little chip stuck on the motherboard, like ethernet or anything else. I personally would like to see high end thinkpads or other notebooks in the desktop replacement class, come with SCSI instead, merely because this would eliminate the waste of a cardbus slot and would facilitate easier use of CDR burners, scanners, etc. Apple, is putting IDE in their machines because they've been dumbed down to "competing with the PC" instead of making their own product unique. Its a matter of cost cutting more than anything else to increase the money they make on cheap boxes like the iMAC. All any mac is now, from an imac to a G4, is ALMOST a PC with a different chip in it and a funny looking case. (looks awfully like ATX to me, yet another cost cutting trick) If they used SCSI hdds in the imacs and sold them for the same price range, they would make almost nothing on the computer.... SCSI disks cost more intentionally, as this is what the drive companies use to stay in business. (hard to believe but IDE-factor equivalent SCSI devices cost LESS to make than the IDE versions... its only by a dollar or two, but its true) They make very little on IDE devices. (due to cutthroat competition in this arena) -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: rudolph wratten [mailto:cowthief@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 8:58 PM > To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Big, Fat, Disks > > > Hello. > > The problem with SCSI is that, unlike IDE, it really is not > universal, this > is to say, you can not connect just anyones drive and any controller and > have good service. > Indeed, early on, there were SCSI controllers for just that brand of > harddrive or even just a series within a companys line. > IDE, on the other hand, because the controller is really on the drive, is > most portable. > Apple computer, a long supporter of SCSI, is now putting IDE in its > machines. > And, let's not forget, PCMCIA is nothing more than an extension of IDE. > > From cph Sat Apr 22 21:35:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA28814 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:35:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20055; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:35:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19929; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:35:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19916; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:35:23 -0400 Received: from dallas (ip38.bedford2.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.10.38]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA20383 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:35:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: Big Fat Disks Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:35:25 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bfacc4$33116a10$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000422202621.00de4d50@pilot.msu.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Please.... Don't fight lies with lies. Ultra 160 is B*llshit for anything but the largest disk arrays. (even then its hard pressed to find a home because FC/AL has been there forever and will stay for awhile) UDMA 66 is B*llshit except in exotic, weird disk setups. (using those promise controllers) The one main difference is in scsi you can buy singular devices that will actually saturate their "basic" interface. For IDE this is the old PIO4/DMA2 spec of 16.6M/second, for SCSI this is Fast/10 or Ultra/20. I can't buy any IDE devices that can saturate DMA2, but I can think of at least 10 SCSI harddisks that can saturate Ultra/20. My point being that even though both of the "high" standards are full of fluff and marketing BS, SCSI is bs'ing people quite a bit less. And please, I don't want to hear someone posting UDMA 66 or Ultra 160 HDTach results either...... anyone can fling data from the disk cache to the system memory relatively fast. (HDTach is a horrible indicator of REAL disk performance) The only good disk utility was CHECKHD .099, which accurately shows maximum factual disk transfer rates on hard disks. Alternatively one can use ZdBOP tests as a decent substitute. (I.E. winbench, pcbench, etc.) The sad part about this though, is you will never find a 10K rpm scsi drive in a thinkpad, as any of those 10 disks would MELT the case of the notebook. To power+cool one properly would turn your 6 pound TP600 into a 20 pound luggable. Actually, if you go to www.tyan.com they sell these portable workstations (somewhere in the back alley of their website) that have such beasts in them.... 18" LCD monitors, 10K rpm harddisks, DUAL processors.... now that is what I call a "desktop replacement". :) Probably at least 5 grand though... and you cant unfold it on the plane. -Mike > > Heh... We have better disks--they're called Ultra SCSI 160 which > can transfer > 160M/s, which is about 2.4 times faster than the "new improved" > 66M IDE disks. > > Why SCSI disks don't exist in the form factor for notebooks is > something I have > never understood. There is nothing in the SCSI hardware that couldn't be > put into > the size of the small disks that ThinkPad's use, so I guess it > boils down to > economics. Spending an extra $50 (although I can't imagine it would be > that much) > for a faster disk/controller on a laptop just seems to be beyond > people. Price rules > in the laptop world, just like it does in the desktop arena. > > --STeve Andre' > > At 12:18 PM 4/22/00 -0700, Andrew Scott Beals wrote: > >But the head assembly has less moving to do as well. You pays > your money, you > >takes your chances. > > > >It's nice that we finally got faster access to RAM, but disk i/o is just > >so slow > >compared to what it was years and years ago, relative to processor speed. > > > >Michael Geary wrote: > > > > > > A fatter drive by definition has a capacity and > performance increase > > > > over a thinner drive of equal media density and rpm. Because a 17mm > > > > drive has more platters/heads, data is read/written faster when > > > > compared to a 12.5 (or thinner) drive. A 17mm drive could have 5 > > > platters, > > > > so 10 heads. Whereas a 12.5mm would have only 3 platters and 6 > > heads. 10 > > > > heads handles more data that 6. 40% more. That's a lot of real > > > performance > > > > where it counts. The thick drive stores 40% more data too. > > > > > > Do they read/write using multiple heads in parallel? I thought they > > used one > > > head at a time, which would mean there's no speed advantage > to having more > > > platters. (And perhaps a slight speed disadvantage because the head > > assembly > > > has more mass to move around.) Of course, I could be mistaken > about this... > > > > > > -Mike > > From cph Sat Apr 22 21:44:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA28832 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:44:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20821; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:44:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20712; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:44:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20699; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.108 -> pilot008.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:44:06 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm453-39.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.193]) by pilot008.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA67528 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:44:04 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000422205700.00ddf4c0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:44:08 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Off topic discussion (was Microsoft, monopolies and dirty tricks) In-Reply-To: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1DFA@exch1.smh.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I would seriously consider dropping off this list if it ever had a limit on the number of postings allowed. While I can to some extent appreciate not drifting off topic, I'm not sure how you control it, what constitutes being off topic, or how much lenience there should be before people squawk about an occurrence of it. Certainly limiting the number of responses is not a good thing, because any limit that would stop huge amounts of off-topic drift from someone would also prevent legitimate submissions to the list. I don't think that this list has had an excessive amount of drift on it, but thats my take on the situation. I've been a long time user of email and mailing lists, and have seen far worse. I also have to ask if it really matters so much these days, either. I don't think there are many people who pay for email directly (ie, a charge per K received), and I don't think there are many who retrieve mail at speeds of less than 33.6Kbps, either. That, coupled with better email software that lets the user delete masses of emails based on their title means that when I find threads in an email list thats boring I can zap the whole thing just by selecting those items and deleting. Given that, I don't know where the boundaries are. --STeve Andre' At 05:56 PM 4/22/00 -0400, Dr. Cornelius Halvey wrote: > Unfortunately this thread has very little to do with Thinkpads. Can we >PLEASE get back on topic? > > Also, most of us post rather infrequently. A few of us post constantly. I >think too often. Is there any interest in having a limit (informal or >otherwise) to the number of messages any one subscriber to the list would >post in any 24 hr perio? > >As they say, "just my two cents". > >Regards, > >Neil > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Benjamin Koh >Cc: thinkpad >Sent: 4/22/00 3:39 PM >Subject: Microsoft, monopolies and dirty tricks > > > > those who have been in the software business know that M$ didn't even > > do many inventions, most of their technology came by M$ taking over > > some other company or by plain copying others. M$ has a long history > > with the law, since the 1991 they've been sued for many things >including > > the DRDOS scum. > > > >Longtime DOS heads may also remember the Stacker debacle. Stac >Electronics made outstanding realtime compression software that (in its >last version) gave actual 2:1 or better ratios. They also had a hardware >ISA version, but discontinued it when 386/486 machines showed no >significant speed penalty using just software. Stac made the mistake of >entering licensing talks with Microsoft. When the talks broke down, >Microsoft reused the code Stac had shared to create Drivespace and >packaged it with MS-DOS 6. This was illegal, but by the time the courts >declared Stac the winner of the lawsuit, it was game over for Stac - too >many people had already discovered that an inferior (but usable) product >is infinitely better in a cost/benefit analysis when the cost is zero. > >Benjamin >-- >Clickdough - Paid surfing on a 68k Mac or PC without installing IE 4! > >https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh >Instant $5 cash for signing up! > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com >Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: > http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Sat Apr 22 21:52:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA28853 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:52:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21630; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:52:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:52:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21465; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21452; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.106 -> pilot006.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:52:14 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm453-39.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.193]) by pilot006.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA56808 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:52:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000422215020.00e25870@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:52:15 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Big, Fat, Disks In-Reply-To: <000f01bfacbf$1025b1a0$040d4a0c@701c> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Can you show me an example of that on any of the modern SCSI disks and controllers of today? I will agree that that was the case back when SASI was turning into SCSI--boy I remember that one well (Ugh!). But these days I can't imagine such a mis-match happening. If you know of one I'd like to hear it off list. --STeve Andre' At 07:58 PM 4/22/00 -0500, rudolph wratten wrote: >Hello. > >The problem with SCSI is that, unlike IDE, it really is not universal, this >is to say, you can not connect just anyones drive and any controller and >have good service. >Indeed, early on, there were SCSI controllers for just that brand of >harddrive or even just a series within a companys line. >IDE, on the other hand, because the controller is really on the drive, is >most portable. >Apple computer, a long supporter of SCSI, is now putting IDE in its >machines. >And, let's not forget, PCMCIA is nothing more than an extension of IDE From cph Sat Apr 22 22:01:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA28888 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:01:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22152; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:00:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22062; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22049; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.109 -> pilot009.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:00:57 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm453-39.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.193]) by pilot009.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA90176 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:00:52 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000422215355.00def2f0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:00:56 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: Big Fat Disks In-Reply-To: <000101bfacc4$33116a10$1b00a8c0@dallas> References: <4.3.1.0.20000422202621.00de4d50@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Well Mike, All I can say is that you and I have had difference experiences. The systems I've used with Ultra 160 SCSI disks have been wonderfully fast compared with IDE disks. I'm sorry I don't have access to it anymore so I could come up with figures as to how much faster it was, but it was significant. These were two Linux machines in which one had Ultra 160 and the other kept its original IDE disks. The difference was very noticeable. Sigh. Now we're drifting away from ThinkPad's again. --STeve Andre' At 09:35 PM 4/22/00 -0400, Mike Capone wrote: >Please.... Don't fight lies with lies. > >Ultra 160 is B*llshit for anything but the largest >disk arrays. (even then its hard pressed to find a home >because FC/AL has been there forever and will stay for awhile) > >UDMA 66 is B*llshit except in exotic, weird >disk setups. (using those promise controllers) The one main >difference is in scsi you can buy singular devices that will actually >saturate their "basic" interface. For IDE this is the old PIO4/DMA2 spec of >16.6M/second, for SCSI this is Fast/10 or Ultra/20. I can't buy >any IDE devices that can saturate DMA2, but I can think of at least >10 SCSI harddisks that can saturate Ultra/20. My point being >that even though both of the "high" standards are full of fluff >and marketing BS, SCSI is bs'ing people quite a bit less. And please, >I don't want to hear someone posting UDMA 66 or Ultra 160 HDTach results >either...... anyone >can fling data from the disk cache to the system memory relatively >fast. (HDTach is a horrible indicator of REAL disk performance) > >The only good disk utility was CHECKHD .099, which accurately >shows maximum factual disk transfer rates on hard disks. Alternatively >one can use ZdBOP tests as a decent substitute. (I.E. winbench, pcbench, >etc.) > > >The sad part about this though, is you will never find a 10K rpm scsi >drive in a thinkpad, as any of those 10 disks would MELT the case of >the notebook. To power+cool one properly would turn your 6 pound TP600 into >a 20 pound luggable. > >Actually, if you go to www.tyan.com they sell these portable >workstations (somewhere in the back alley of their >website) that have such beasts in them.... 18" LCD monitors, 10K >rpm harddisks, DUAL processors.... now that is what I call >a "desktop replacement". :) Probably at least 5 grand >though... and you cant unfold it on the plane. > > >-Mike > > > > > > Heh... We have better disks--they're called Ultra SCSI 160 which > > can transfer > > 160M/s, which is about 2.4 times faster than the "new improved" > > 66M IDE disks. > > > > Why SCSI disks don't exist in the form factor for notebooks is > > something I have > > never understood. There is nothing in the SCSI hardware that couldn't be > > put into > > the size of the small disks that ThinkPad's use, so I guess it > > boils down to > > economics. Spending an extra $50 (although I can't imagine it would be > > that much) > > for a faster disk/controller on a laptop just seems to be beyond > > people. Price rules > > in the laptop world, just like it does in the desktop arena. > > > > --STeve Andre' > > > > At 12:18 PM 4/22/00 -0700, Andrew Scott Beals wrote: > > >But the head assembly has less moving to do as well. You pays > > your money, you > > >takes your chances. > > > > > >It's nice that we finally got faster access to RAM, but disk i/o is just > > >so slow > > >compared to what it was years and years ago, relative to processor speed. > > > > > >Michael Geary wrote: > > > > > > > > A fatter drive by definition has a capacity and > > performance increase > > > > > over a thinner drive of equal media density and rpm. Because a 17mm > > > > > drive has more platters/heads, data is read/written faster when > > > > > compared to a 12.5 (or thinner) drive. A 17mm drive could have 5 > > > > platters, > > > > > so 10 heads. Whereas a 12.5mm would have only 3 platters and 6 > > > heads. 10 > > > > > heads handles more data that 6. 40% more. That's a lot of real > > > > performance > > > > > where it counts. The thick drive stores 40% more data too. > > > > > > > > Do they read/write using multiple heads in parallel? I thought they > > > used one > > > > head at a time, which would mean there's no speed advantage > > to having more > > > > platters. (And perhaps a slight speed disadvantage because the head > > > assembly > > > > has more mass to move around.) Of course, I could be mistaken > > about this... > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > From cph Sat Apr 22 22:10:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA28924 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:10:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22821; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:10:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22670; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:10:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22656; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:10:02 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.13.4]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000423021001.QAHS27191.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:10:01 +0000 Message-ID: <002a01bfacc7$f5c597e0$040d4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Big, Fat, Disks Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:01:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. Sorry, I can not reply off list, no valid return path. There are SCSI flavors out there, be it adaptec or whomever, but IDE is generic, and cheap. I agree, SCSI is much better, now, but as far as connecting just anything, there are 3 types of SCSI, they are not wholly interchangeable. IDE, on the other hand, will run at the lowest common mode. This, of course means that you can slow things down by connecting your 40 meg harddrive on the same channel as your latest supergig+, but, it can be done. From cph Sat Apr 22 22:19:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA28942 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:19:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23484; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:19:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23372; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23358; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:19:02 -0400 Received: from dallas (ip38.bedford2.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.10.38]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA25362; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:18:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Capone" To: "STeve Andre'" , "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: Big Fat Disks Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:19:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bfacca$4b12ae70$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000422215355.00def2f0@pilot.msu.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Well, I'm sorry if I worded it the wrong way but chances are the speed benefit you are seeing is not from the Ultra160 protocol in and of itself, but it is from the fact that most Ultra160 disks have very high spindle speeds, media rates, and low access times. These factors are far more important than the interface rate is itself. Even if you take these devices and throttle the pipe to 10M/second maximum rate, they will still operate blazingly fast. I will agree with that. My old P200 with SCSI 7200 rpm barracudas in it running at Uscsi/20 has faster disk rates than my PII-400 with UDMA drives in it... I just get annoyed when people try to compare disks on terms of interface rates alone- interface rate parading is a scheme developed by the marketdroids of all the storage companies, to make dumb consumers buy new harddisks. I remember the month when UDMA came out. All the manufacturers were selling UDMA harddisks with the exact same mechanical specifications as their non UDMA disks, and guess what happened... a bunch of "joe retards" were lined up at the computer store trading out same size UDMA drives for their old PIO4/DMA 2 drives... I think the storage industry did this to breathe some life into the upgrade segment of their sales, and get some quick cash out of it. Funny part is UDMA provides almost no benefit to most users of IDE... That may change if they improve the media rates/seek times on IDE devices, but I dont see this happening as the companies would just be killing their SCSI sales off. (the only part of their business that makes money!) -Mike Anyhow... back to Thinkpads. Anyone know if the A20 will have hardware DVD? (or an option for an EVA like the TP770) > > Well Mike, > > All I can say is that you and I have had difference experiences. The > systems I've > used with Ultra 160 SCSI disks have been wonderfully fast > compared with IDE > disks. I'm sorry I don't have access to it anymore so I could > come up with > figures as to how much faster it was, but it was significant. > These were two > Linux machines in which one had Ultra 160 and the other kept its original > IDE disks. The difference was very noticeable. > > Sigh. Now we're drifting away from ThinkPad's again. > > --STeve Andre' > > At 09:35 PM 4/22/00 -0400, Mike Capone wrote: > > >Please.... Don't fight lies with lies. > > > >Ultra 160 is B*llshit for anything but the largest > >disk arrays. (even then its hard pressed to find a home > >because FC/AL has been there forever and will stay for awhile) > > > >UDMA 66 is B*llshit except in exotic, weird > >disk setups. (using those promise controllers) The one main > >difference is in scsi you can buy singular devices that will actually > >saturate their "basic" interface. For IDE this is the old > PIO4/DMA2 spec of > >16.6M/second, for SCSI this is Fast/10 or Ultra/20. I can't buy > >any IDE devices that can saturate DMA2, but I can think of at least > >10 SCSI harddisks that can saturate Ultra/20. My point being > >that even though both of the "high" standards are full of fluff > >and marketing BS, SCSI is bs'ing people quite a bit less. And please, > >I don't want to hear someone posting UDMA 66 or Ultra 160 HDTach results > >either...... anyone > >can fling data from the disk cache to the system memory relatively > >fast. (HDTach is a horrible indicator of REAL disk performance) > > > >The only good disk utility was CHECKHD .099, which accurately > >shows maximum factual disk transfer rates on hard disks. Alternatively > >one can use ZdBOP tests as a decent substitute. (I.E. winbench, pcbench, > >etc.) > > > > > >The sad part about this though, is you will never find a 10K rpm scsi > >drive in a thinkpad, as any of those 10 disks would MELT the case of > >the notebook. To power+cool one properly would turn your 6 > pound TP600 into > >a 20 pound luggable. > > > >Actually, if you go to www.tyan.com they sell these portable > >workstations (somewhere in the back alley of their > >website) that have such beasts in them.... 18" LCD monitors, 10K > >rpm harddisks, DUAL processors.... now that is what I call > >a "desktop replacement". :) Probably at least 5 grand > >though... and you cant unfold it on the plane. > > > > > >-Mike > > > > > > > > > > Heh... We have better disks--they're called Ultra SCSI 160 which > > > can transfer > > > 160M/s, which is about 2.4 times faster than the "new improved" > > > 66M IDE disks. > > > > > > Why SCSI disks don't exist in the form factor for notebooks is > > > something I have > > > never understood. There is nothing in the SCSI hardware that > couldn't be > > > put into > > > the size of the small disks that ThinkPad's use, so I guess it > > > boils down to > > > economics. Spending an extra $50 (although I can't imagine > it would be > > > that much) > > > for a faster disk/controller on a laptop just seems to be beyond > > > people. Price rules > > > in the laptop world, just like it does in the desktop arena. > > > > > > --STeve Andre' > > > > > > At 12:18 PM 4/22/00 -0700, Andrew Scott Beals wrote: > > > >But the head assembly has less moving to do as well. You pays > > > your money, you > > > >takes your chances. > > > > > > > >It's nice that we finally got faster access to RAM, but disk > i/o is just > > > >so slow > > > >compared to what it was years and years ago, relative to > processor speed. > > > > > > > >Michael Geary wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A fatter drive by definition has a capacity and > > > performance increase > > > > > > over a thinner drive of equal media density and rpm. > Because a 17mm > > > > > > drive has more platters/heads, data is read/written faster when > > > > > > compared to a 12.5 (or thinner) drive. A 17mm drive > could have 5 > > > > > platters, > > > > > > so 10 heads. Whereas a 12.5mm would have only 3 platters and 6 > > > > heads. 10 > > > > > > heads handles more data that 6. 40% more. That's a lot of real > > > > > performance > > > > > > where it counts. The thick drive stores 40% more data too. > > > > > > > > > > Do they read/write using multiple heads in parallel? I > thought they > > > > used one > > > > > head at a time, which would mean there's no speed advantage > > > to having more > > > > > platters. (And perhaps a slight speed disadvantage > because the head > > > > assembly > > > > > has more mass to move around.) Of course, I could be mistaken > > > about this... > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > From cph Sat Apr 22 22:20:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA28956 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:20:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23934; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:20:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23856; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23843; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:20:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (207.115.153.22 -> smtppop3.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:20:35 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop3.gte.net with SMTP for ; id VAA18916951 Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:20:21 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004230220.VAA18916951@smtppop3.gte.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:20:33 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: RE: Microsoft, monopolies and dirty tricks List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:56:29 -0400 > Is there any interest in having a limit (informal or > otherwise) to the number of messages any one subscriber to the list would > post in any 24 hr perio? Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/22/00, 21:20:31 From cph Sat Apr 22 22:23:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA28963 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:23:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24382; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:23:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24304; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24291; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:23:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (207.115.153.20 -> smtppop1.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:23:38 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop1.gte.net with SMTP for ; id VAA18977811 Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:22:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004230222.VAA18977811@smtppop1.gte.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:23:36 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: RE: Microsoft, monopolies and dirty tricks List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:56:29 -0400 > Is there any interest in having a limit (informal or > otherwise) to the number of messages any one subscriber to the list would > post in any 24 hr perio? No. If you feel that one individual has nothing worthwhile to say, then set up a filter in your mail client to delete his or her messages from your mail server without downloading them to your machine. Excuse the previous blank message, I was trying to click somewhere else and I caught the Send button. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/22/00, 21:23:34 From cph Sat Apr 22 22:29:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA28979 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:29:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24981; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:29:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:29:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24904; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24891; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:29:33 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jaxtnt1-70.fdn.com [216.199.4.84]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA20167 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39028922.16BF@southeast.net> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:24:50 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: List for OLD Thinkpads?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Does anyone here know of a list that the main topic is Old thinkPads, low end pentium, and all of the 486 and below models?? This list is great, but it covers a lot more new stuff that I have no interest in. My only thinkpad is a 755 (which I still need an adapter for). THANKS! Jim From cph Sat Apr 22 22:58:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA29034 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:58:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26238; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:57:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26053; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26037; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.2 -> ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 22:57:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 28985 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 02:57:23 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 28976 invoked by uid 0); 23 Apr 2000 02:57:22 -0000 Received: from cdialup166.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.65.166) by ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 23 Apr 2000 02:57:22 -0000 Message-ID: <390265F2.37CDF41D@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 19:54:42 -0700 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pctech@southeast.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: List for OLD Thinkpads?? References: <39028922.16BF@southeast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: We could wander over to onelist.com and create one. Lets tally up the interest. Send a message to patrickwest@uswest.net and we can set up a list if there is a good deal of interest. Computer-Guru wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone here know of a list that the main topic is Old thinkPads, > low end pentium, and all of the 486 and below models?? > > This list is great, but it covers a lot more new stuff that I have no > interest in. My only thinkpad is a 755 (which I still need an adapter > for). > > THANKS! > > Jim -- Patrick West pgp 2.6.2 key fingerprint = 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Sat Apr 22 23:06:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA29060 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:06:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26819; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:06:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26738; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26724; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:06:12 -0400 Received: from whistler.az.com (ip-216.145.8.254.az.com [216.145.8.254]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA25342 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:06:42 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Received: from Buck ([10.66.46.182]) by whistler.az.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA82198 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:08:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <200004230308.UAA82198@whistler.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sat, 22 Apr 00 20:18:18 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 365XD upgrade possiblity? List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:53:48 +0500, Sandra Rozhon wrote: >I have a Thinkpad 365XD 133mhz with 16MB of RAM and a 1GB harddrive. >What is the feasibility of upgrading RAM and the harddrive? Got money? If so you can get memory and harddrives. ;) hehe >What is the maximum memory for a machine of this type? 40 Megs is the offical account although there have been reports and test that it could take up to 72megs with a certain FRU and a bio upgrade. I have a copy of this message >from the ThinkPad list on that. I don't know about the maxium harddrive size. I have a 2.1 gig drive that works for me. >What sort of harddrive should I be looking for? Is there a specific >thickness and capacity that I need to look for? Good question. I used to know the answer for that question. Bill Morrow probably has it memorized. :) Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Sat Apr 22 23:16:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA29083 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:16:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27700; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:15:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27553; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27533; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.2 -> ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:15:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 7557 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 03:15:36 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 7534 invoked by uid 0); 23 Apr 2000 03:15:35 -0000 Received: from cdialup166.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.65.166) by ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 23 Apr 2000 03:15:35 -0000 Message-ID: <39026A38.4BEC7AE2@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:12:56 -0700 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pctech@southeast.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: List for OLD Thinkpads?? 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Here's how to find your group: Group name: Thinkpads-older Main Page URL: http://www.egroups.com/group/Thinkpads-older Posting address: Thinkpads-older@egroups.com -- Patrick West pgp 2.6.2 key fingerprint = 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Sat Apr 22 23:27:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA29129 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:27:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28266; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:27:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28151; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28138; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:27:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.37 -> hnlmail3.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:27:21 -0400 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.228.165]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:19:10 -1000 Message-ID: <003501bfacd2$d93804e0$a5e41918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: "thinkpads2" References: <000101bfacc4$33116a10$1b00a8c0@dallas> Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:20:15 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Capone > > Please.... Don't fight lies with lies. > > Ultra 160 is B*llshit for anything but the largest > disk arrays. (even then its hard pressed to find a home > because FC/AL has been there forever and will stay for awhile) > > UDMA 66 is B*llshit except in exotic, weird > disk setups. (using those promise controllers) The one main > difference is in scsi you can buy singular devices that will actually > saturate their "basic" interface. For IDE this is the old PIO4/DMA2 spec of > 16.6M/second, for SCSI this is Fast/10 or Ultra/20. I can't buy > any IDE devices that can saturate DMA2, but I can think of at least --I think we've got to look at hard drive specs IDE and SCSI alike the same way we look at all computer specs. For instance our network cards are rated at 100mbps but our actual thoroughput is really somewhere between 30 to 80mbps. The reason why manufacturers advertise 100mbps is because they were able hit those peak performances every once in a while during testing. Just as my UltraDMA 33 controller is much faster than previous ide controllers it won't really ever hit the advertised 33mbps. The marketing strategy is really very similar to car stereo advertising. They'll say you have a 100 watt stereo, but sometimes that is only at "peak" performance, and your stereo is actually only putting out 50 watts at RMS. As for the controller card, yeah you've got to have an ultra dma 66 or a scsi 160 controller to even hope to have a shot at these phantom outputs. The newer desktop motherboards are all coming out with ultra dma 66 controllers now, and I don't see anything but 160 LVD controllers from adaptec nowadays. It's a little unethical the way the marketing guys advertise for computer products, but they get away with it by putting in the little fine print at the data sheets in advertisements which say you must use this hardware and this software, and be operating at this temperature to obtain these outputs. Whenever I see something that looks too good to be true, I go talk to my marketing counterparts in the IT industry to get the real info on new products first before I buy anything. --Keith Keith Wong System Admin - Document Imaging Honolulu Police Department - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu From cph Sat Apr 22 23:29:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA29137 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:29:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28711; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:28:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28595; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:28:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28025; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.37 -> hnlmail3.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:25:36 -0400 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.228.165]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:21:17 -1000 Message-ID: <003901bfacd3$247b4ac0$a5e41918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: References: <39028922.16BF@southeast.net> <390265F2.37CDF41D@uswest.net> Subject: Re: List for OLD Thinkpads?? Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 17:22:23 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: --I'm all for a vintage thinkpad list. My TP 701 has the same support an extinct dinosaur has. Any computer paleontologists around? --Keith Keith Wong System Admin - Document Imaging Honolulu Police Department - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: Patrick West To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 4:54 PM Subject: Re: List for OLD Thinkpads?? > We could wander over to onelist.com and create one. > > Lets tally up the interest. Send a message to > patrickwest@uswest.net and we can set up a list if there is > a good deal of interest. > > Computer-Guru wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Does anyone here know of a list that the main topic is Old thinkPads, > > low end pentium, and all of the 486 and below models?? > > > > This list is great, but it covers a lot more new stuff that I have no > > interest in. My only thinkpad is a 755 (which I still need an adapter > > for). > > > > THANKS! > > > > Jim > > -- > Patrick West pgp 2.6.2 key > fingerprint = 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E > 41 > From cph Sat Apr 22 23:34:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA29172 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:34:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29381; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:34:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29251; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29237; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (216.100.248.113 -> adsl-216-100-248-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Apr 2000 23:34:32 -0400 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcpA.cinnamon.com [192.0.2.138]) by cinnamon.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id UAA18300 for ; Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39026EFC.E4B5C1D5@ricochet.net> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 20:33:16 -0700 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Revamps Thinkpads References: <00a801bfab3e$547c0840$3fa1aec7@tp1721> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: "up to 1400 by 1050 pixels" OOH! 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"Chuck S." wrote: > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-1717317.html > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- From cph Sun Apr 23 00:37:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA29401 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:37:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01522; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:35:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01391; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop5.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01378; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop5.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.5) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:35:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 7445 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 04:35:00 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 7425 invoked by uid 0); 23 Apr 2000 04:34:59 -0000 Received: from dialupp126.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.85.126) by 198.36.160.5 with SMTP; 23 Apr 2000 04:34:59 -0000 Message-ID: <39027CD2.2950120F@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:32:18 -0700 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Older Thinkpads Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------2D3B6E11ECA5023B795F5D72" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2D3B6E11ECA5023B795F5D72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thinkpads-older list.html --------------2D3B6E11ECA5023B795F5D72 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="Thinkpads-older list.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Thinkpads-older list.html" Older Thinkpads Mailing List
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--------------2D3B6E11ECA5023B795F5D72-- From cph Sun Apr 23 00:39:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA29409 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:39:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01664; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:39:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01588; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01575; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:39:35 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA09662; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:39:34 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA21021; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000422211843.00b4c310@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:35:24 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000422202621.00de4d50@pilot.msu.edu> References: <3901FAFA.BCBE001D@ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:43 PM 04/22/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Heh... We have better disks--they're called Ultra SCSI 160 which can transfer >160M/s, which is about 2.4 times faster than the "new improved" 66M IDE disks. Its also a phantom number that only matters in burst mode between SCSI devices on the same data bus--and its *very* rare. Hey, I like SCSI as much as the next guy, largely because of the lower CPU overhead necessary to run it, but the fact of the matter is that the most important performance figure of any drive, perhaps aside from the access time, is the sustained transfer rate. When it comes to the sustained transfer rate, only the very best 10K RPM SCSI drives (like the Seagate Cheetah) are any better than the best EIDE drives, and then not because the HD itself is so inherently superior, but because they put SCSI as the interface for that high-performance HD (instead of EIDE) because its final destination is most likely a network server, where multiple-HD's are the norm, and where SCSI prevails. At any rate, if you look at the sustained transfer rate of the very best EIDE drives (say, Maxtor's DiamondPlus series) and compared that to the best SCSI HD's, you'd see they are almost the same. The extra bandwidth available on the SCSI bus is only useful when multiple devices on the same bus are moving data around. The peak drive transfer rate is the peak for that drive, and any extra bandwidth isn't necessarily going to do a darn bit of good. Hence, for the most part (except for some side-benefits of SCSI, like lower CPU overhead), having a single HD on a SCSI bus isn't necessarily "faster" than a single EIDE HD. >Why SCSI disks don't exist in the form factor for notebooks is something I >have >never understood. There is nothing in the SCSI hardware that couldn't be >put into >the size of the small disks that ThinkPad's use, so I guess it boils down to >economics. Spending an extra $50 (although I can't imagine it would be >that much) >for a faster disk/controller on a laptop just seems to be beyond >people. Price rules >in the laptop world, just like it does in the desktop arena. I agree--SCSI would be nice. On the other hand, unless there's a need for it, its just extra cost. For the most part, in a notebook, its just extra cost. NB drives are inherently slower anyway, and as such, not really capable of taking advantage of any extra bandwidth SCSI offers over EIDE anyway. I use SCSI on my desktop, but except for my high-bandwidth-sucking video-capture needs, it wouldn't even be necessary. A good EIDE drive could still do the job, but the interface sucks up more CPU overhead and in general, servo-embedded HD's (to prevent the need for recalibration--in the middle of video playback or capture), are pretty much only SCSI. They don't *have* to be, but they just are. Nevertheless, a lot of people in the video-editing area have had excellent results using a plain 'ol EIDE drive, though the caveat is that they need to have a separate drive from the one that runs the OS, to avoid having the drive seek for various OS pieces it needs. From cph Sun Apr 23 00:51:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA29445 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:51:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02078; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:51:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01998; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01984; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:51:31 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA10923; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:51:30 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA23252; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000422213537.00b30ef0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2000 21:47:14 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Big, Fat, Disks In-Reply-To: <000f01bfacbf$1025b1a0$040d4a0c@701c> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 07:58 PM 04/22/2000 -0500, you wrote: >The problem with SCSI is that, unlike IDE, it really is not universal, this >is to say, you can not connect just anyones drive and any controller and >have good service. Baloney. SCSI incompatibility is ancient history. Virtually every good SCSI device (including host adapters) today conforms to the ASPI protocol. It has been that way for at least 7, perhaps as much as 10 years. >Indeed, early on, there were SCSI controllers for just that brand of >harddrive or even just a series within a companys line. Again, ancient history. And certainly not exclusive to SCSI. 9 years ago I was upgrading a HD on an HP Vectra PC only to find out that the ESDI controller I was trying to add an additional HD to wouldn't play nice with any other ESDI HD. That had nothing to do with SCSI. It had to do with the old days--lots of proprietary crap going on. >IDE, on the other hand, because the controller is really on the drive, is >most portable. ...and because the "controller" is on the HD, that also caused incompatibilities with other HD's. Frequently, different Mfgrs' HD's wouldn't Master-Slave properly, and sometimes even incompatibilities within the *same* Mfgr., but different models. Never had that problem with SCSI. The only time a problem arose (again, ancient history) was when cheap, off-brand Host Adapters were used (or non-ASPI-compliant HA's). >Apple computer, a long supporter of SCSI, is now putting IDE in its >machines. ...mainly so their machines could have access to less-expensive HD upgrades from a larger market of NB-sized IDE drives out there. The only lesson Apple has learned has been that their proprietary strategy has nearly killed them. NB-sized SCSI HD's were pretty much a proprietary thing for them--and raised the cost of their machines significantly. One need only look at the desktop HD market to see you can get a 40 GB HD for less than $300, but that same $300 will get you less than 1/2 that capacity in SCSI. >And, let's not forget, PCMCIA is nothing more than an extension of IDE. Not at all. Its an extension of the 16-bit ISA bus. Apparently you don't know what you're talking about. From cph Sun Apr 23 02:45:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA29843 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:45:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04828; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:44:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04717; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04704; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:44:21 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-413.gate.net [199.227.131.222]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA111556; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:44:17 -0400 Message-ID: <39029BCB.3D912EE@gate.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:44:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeffrey Baker CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: W2K key switching limitation -- call for help References: <003c01bfab9e$973245e0$0200a8c0@Laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jeffrey... have you ever thought about doing a custom code parg for wordstar..?? or, maybe, one already exists.. ?? Jeffrey Baker wrote: > I'm about to put Windows 2000 on a 770Z, but have just learned that key > remap utilities - which I use to swap Ctrl and CapsLock keys for all my > work - will not run under W2K. The reason the remapping is so important to > me is that I rely very much on an excellent WordStar keyboard command > add-in > (http://www.petrie.u-net.com/computing/wordstar/emulators/word8/pages/wordst > ar.htm) to enable a touch-typing based WordStar command set in Outlook and > MS Word. I, and a surprising number of others with intensive word > processing requirements, have traditionally used the Keyboard Remapping > Utility in the W95 Kernel Toys Set > (http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/contents/WUToys/W95KernelToy/D > efault.asp) or the ZDNet Key Remap Utility > (http://hotfiles.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?fcode=000O > JB&b=) to switch Ctrl and CapsLock keys for this purpose. > > I was hoping that list members' familiarity with NT and now W2K might > produce a remedy here. Does anyone know how these two keys can be remapped > under these programs, or whether it may be possible at all? > > Many thanks - Jeff plumbush2@mediaone.net -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 23 02:50:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA29848 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:50:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05037; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:50:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04961; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04948; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:50:18 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-413.gate.net [199.227.131.222]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA64920; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:50:15 -0400 Message-ID: <39029D31.D908FF74@gate.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:50:25 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rudolph wratten CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: z50 References: <002c01bfac67$aeec6480$083a4a0c@701c> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well, "stuck" may not be the correct word here.. personally, i like the Win9x/CE similarity.. :-) BUT, that having been said, it would be nice to run the palm OS on the workpad z50... rudolph wratten wrote: > Hello. > > As you all may already know, microsoft has introduced a new OS. > This is to compete with the "Palm" OS. > One of the issues that most people did not like was that "Old" (windows CE) > OS > was much like windows itself. > The new OS is simpler, faster, and works ( almost a copy ) like the Palm OS. > The thing I would like to know is, can the z50 and other devices like it run > the > new OS,? or are we stuck in the CE zone forever?. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 23 02:55:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA29861 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:55:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05247; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:55:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:55:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05166; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA05153; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.101 -> pilot001.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:55:35 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm452-11.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.117]) by pilot001.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA31752; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:55:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000423023925.00d6c550@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:55:34 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: List for OLD Thinkpads?? Cc: Thinkpads-older@egroups.com In-Reply-To: <390265F2.37CDF41D@uswest.net> References: <39028922.16BF@southeast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Fragmentation of mailing lists is a really bad idea. Let me explain why. First, you don't have any good definition of what an "older" ThinkPad is. Where does one draw the line? I suppose the 486/Pentium boundary is reasonable, but only for now. Given time lots of the P/PII systems are going to look kind of old... Two--and more importantly--the folks who primarily deal with these older machines aren't going to be here as much (or at all), and people like me will likely miss out on the discussion. I deal with a lot of different kinds of computers in my job and such, and deal with older machines as well as brand new ones. I have a TP 760 on my desk at the moment, sick, which I'm working on. Perhaps I should join this new list just so I can keep up on them, but I shouldn't have to. The TP list can accomodate all comers. If a thred doesn't interest you, don't read it--kill it off and move on. *Why* is it that people feel the need to split off, just because they don't currently use the newer machines? Why do we all have to be so specialized? There IS VALUE in seeing data on other machines. For one thing, its a form of cross-pollenization of ideas and experience, such that what one person says about working on some older machine may well be useful on a new one. Certainly that is the case with software--I've learned things about Windows here from folks who use "older" machines. The more I think about this the more I dislike the idea of a separate list. Obviously I can't stop anyone from doing this, but the software issue makes "older" machines much closer to the "newer" ones, doesn't it. If these lists only talked of hardware then there might be more merit to it, but still, talk of things like PCMCIA cards and the like are still often applicable to both old and new machines. This move is ill-advised. In the 23 years I have used the Internet (once called ARPANet) I have seen this reconfiguration of groups over and over again, until things have gotten incredibly fragmented. We will all miss out by not being in the same boat. I'll only point out once that issues like how IBM treats its customers, etc, cross over between platforms, etc. Ah well--I've spoken my piece. I wish the members of the older TP's luck in their endevours. --STeve Andre' From cph Sun Apr 23 03:16:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA29904 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:16:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06415; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:16:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06301; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06288; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:15:58 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-413.gate.net [199.227.131.222]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA128996; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:15:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3902A332.1A02E7EC@gate.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:16:03 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Cottrell, Eric" CC: "'Andrew Webber'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Reverse lookups by address, phone References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've kept out of this.. until now.. those who expect a free lunch, get poisoned.. :-) okok, no metaphor, but the idea is plain.. MY 2 cents (canadian!) is call the police in thornhill.. have a chat with them.. :-) "Cottrell, Eric" wrote: > Hello, > > I did the search and found a few people there. The correct > spelling is Steeles. It is one of the main streets in > Thornhill. > > I noticed there was no business reverse search. I searched > for post offices and mailbox places with out any hits however I > did get some hits for other types of stores. So it looks like > 800 has some businesses but nothing under post office or > mailbox rental. > > 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Webber [mailto:awebber@wwwebbers.com] > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 12:47 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Reverse lookups by address, phone > > On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:08:55 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: > > >Unfortunely you cannot put > >in an address and find out what is there. > > Although it's not very current (at least two months behind), > reverse lookups by phone and by address are available at > > http://www.infospace.com/canada/reverse_ca.htm > > where there's also a link to the same for the U.S. > > I think it's based on Bell's phone books, so if the info isn't in > Bell's directory, it isn't available here. > > andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] > ------ > for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 23 03:19:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA29909 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:19:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06780; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:19:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06703; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06690; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:19:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:19:23 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-413.gate.net [199.227.131.222]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA177942; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:19:19 -0400 Message-ID: <3902A401.26B3AF70@gate.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:19:29 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tgold@panix.com CC: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? References: <2001605@panix.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I read the announcements for the new HDD's and if my memory is correct, whenever volume is promised for, the flow will be to DELL, et al., not users.. the 25gig took a long time to filter down and i suspect so will the newer drives.. ALSO, there was talk (last century) of a 43gig drive, in a 17mm formfactor.. "Anthony R. Gold" wrote: > In message <15782.000420@falkor.chi.il.us> "Ronald W. Heiby" writes: > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > Thursday, April 06, 2000, 2:49:29 PM, Randal wrote: > > RW> The 770 had only 3 things over the original 600: > > RW> (1) Video capability (presumably in or out), ... > > RW> (2) Hardware-assisted MPEG playback ... > > RW> (3) the largest 14.1" screen with 1280x1024 resolution ... > > RW> EVERYTHING else the 770 had or did, the 600 matched quite nicely. > > > > Cool! I didn't know that I could put two 25Gig HDs into a 600 series, > > or even ONE 25Gig HD. Which model is it that has this capability, so I > > can consider it for replacing my 770ED? > > Check out http://www.storage.ibm.com/press/hdd/20000412.htm for info > on the 30GT, a 12.5mm 30GB 4,200rpm drive which should allow 60GB in > any 600 series thinkpad, when using both main and slimbay; volume are > shipments promised in May. > > Regards, > -- > Tony - G3SKR / W2TG email: tgold@panix.com -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 23 03:23:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA29937 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:23:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06977; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:23:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06874; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06861; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:23:30 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-413.gate.net [199.227.131.222]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA57348; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:23:25 -0400 Message-ID: <3902A4F7.382F11BD@gate.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:23:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks (was: i Series horror stories?) References: <4.3.1.0.20000421192354.00d878f0@pilot.msu.edu> <3.0.6.32.20000421191647.0140a100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <2001605@panix.com> <4.3.1.0.20000421194902.00d83b10@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the A20p has an 18gig drive.. which points to 12.5mm.. the T20 (51U) has an 18gig, the T20 41U has a 12gig.. and, in spite of my earlier 43gig comment, how many users really need 2 x 25gig or, even 2 x 18gig on any one laptop.. ?! STeve Andre' wrote: > If and when I get the name of the site again I will let everyone know. It > was an interesting mix of technical stuff. I HATE it when my system > crashes, and I haven't saved the site I'm at into a bookmark. > > At any rate, I think that the space squeeze inside laptops, coupled with > the increasing bit densities involved are going to make for thinner disks. > Look at what IBM has done with its current models, from the lowly i > Series to 600's; they all handle 12.5, not 17mm drives. To me that says > that they aren't going to go about using the older larger size any more. > > It will be very interesting to see what disk size the new A20's and T20's > can handle. If the higher end units can't take 17mm disks then I think > that will be significant. I know already that there are some interested > 7mm disks in Japan in the 8 or 9G range, with really good shock > handling characteristics. > > As an aside, a hardware type friend of mine has speculated that we may > be on the cusp of another leap in disk drive capacities soon. He reads > things that the disks folks write and understands the subtle nuances of > magnetic theory and says this. 'Twill be interesting to see if he's right. > > --STeve Andre' > > At 07:45 PM 4/21/00 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: > >I would be interested in that paper or web site. To push the > >envelope, I can't see companies waiting until their technology > >can be sized into a 12.5mm form factor. IBM isn't the only one > >making HDs either. In addition, the 770 series will allow a user > >access to their old data if needed (or anyone needing to work with > >a larger form factor laptop HD for whatever reason) or save $$$ by buying a HD > >in the larger form factor when the smaller becomes available. > >There is zero disadvantage of the HD bay on the 770, and it is > >an advantage over the 600 series. I agree that density is only going > >to improve (as it has for years ), but coupled with a larger > >form factor, they can stuff even more capacity in that puppy. Of course > >at what point is, "enough is enough." >:-) Heck, I don't even use > >all the capacity of the stock 14.1gb drive in my 770z! > > > >At 07:27 PM 04/21/2000 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > > >I think I remember reading a paper on new disk technologies which said that > > >12.5mm was going to be a standard for the next while, and 17mm wouldn't > > >be needed. IBM has gotten up to around 17 billion bits per square inch now > > >in data density and I got the impression thats only going to improve, so the > > >new disks won't be as tall as before. > > > > > >Witness the 32 and 30G IBM disks at 12.mm. Also, consider that smaller > > >notebooks could use the smaller disks. > > > > > >Now if only I could remember the site where I was reading about all this... > > > > > >STeve Andre' > > > > > >At 07:16 PM 4/21/00 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: > > >>At 10:35 PM 04/21/2000 BST, Anthony R. Gold wrote: > > >> >In message <15782.000420@falkor.chi.il.us> "Ronald W. Heiby" writes: > > >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > >> >> Hash: SHA1 > > >> >> > > >> >> Thursday, April 06, 2000, 2:49:29 PM, Randal wrote: > > >> >> RW> The 770 had only 3 things over the original 600: > > >> >> RW> (1) Video capability (presumably in or out), ... > > >> >> RW> (2) Hardware-assisted MPEG playback ... > > >> >> RW> (3) the largest 14.1" screen with 1280x1024 resolution ... > > >> >> RW> EVERYTHING else the 770 had or did, the 600 matched quite nicely. > > >> >> > > >> >> Cool! I didn't know that I could put two 25Gig HDs into a 600 series, > > >> >> or even ONE 25Gig HD. Which model is it that has this capability, so I > > >> >> can consider it for replacing my 770ED? > > >> > > > >> >Check out http://www.storage.ibm.com/press/hdd/20000412.htm for info > > >> >on the 30GT, a 12.5mm 30GB 4,200rpm drive which should allow 60GB in > > >> >any 600 series thinkpad, when using both main and slimbay; volume are > > >> >shipments promised in May. > > >> > > > >> > > >>The point is when technology pushes new HD capacities, they initially > > >>come out in >12.5mm sizes on a frequent basis and these drives have > > >>larger capacities and sometimes faster rpm rates. In time, similar > > >>capacity devices are offered in smaller form factor(s) as technology > > >>affords it. The 770 series can accomodate larger physically sized > > >>HDs (>12.5mm). The 600 series can not. This was the case with the > > >>25gb drive, and I suspect it will happen again in the future with > > >>other drives, manufacturers and capacities as they push the envelope > > >>for speed and capacity. > > >> > > >>Mark > > >> > > >> > > >>------------------------------------------------- > > >>Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > > >>800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > > >>Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > > >>Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > > >>------------------------------------------------- > > >>Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > > >>RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > > >>Network and System consultation and installation > > >>-------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------- > >Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > >800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > >Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > >Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > >------------------------------------------------- > >Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > >RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > >Network and System consultation and installation > >-------------------------------------------------- -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 23 03:27:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA29953 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:27:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07248; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:27:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:26:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07141; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07128; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:26:38 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-413.gate.net [199.227.131.222]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA151756; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:26:35 -0400 Message-ID: <3902A5B5.F44BD308@gate.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:26:45 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: i Series horror stories? References: <3.0.6.32.20000421191647.0140a100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: in this HDD capacity debate, the 17mm drives all spin at 4900 & 5400 RPM, the 12mm drives all spin at 4200 RPM.. also to be considered is that toshiba has 1meg buffers and IBM still has 500~k buffers... how much the buffer size relates to data throughput is a topic for others.. :-) Mark Bell wrote: > At 10:35 PM 04/21/2000 BST, Anthony R. Gold wrote: > >In message <15782.000420@falkor.chi.il.us> "Ronald W. Heiby" writes: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> Hash: SHA1 > >> > >> Thursday, April 06, 2000, 2:49:29 PM, Randal wrote: > >> RW> The 770 had only 3 things over the original 600: > >> RW> (1) Video capability (presumably in or out), ... > >> RW> (2) Hardware-assisted MPEG playback ... > >> RW> (3) the largest 14.1" screen with 1280x1024 resolution ... > >> RW> EVERYTHING else the 770 had or did, the 600 matched quite nicely. > >> > >> Cool! I didn't know that I could put two 25Gig HDs into a 600 series, > >> or even ONE 25Gig HD. Which model is it that has this capability, so I > >> can consider it for replacing my 770ED? > > > >Check out http://www.storage.ibm.com/press/hdd/20000412.htm for info > >on the 30GT, a 12.5mm 30GB 4,200rpm drive which should allow 60GB in > >any 600 series thinkpad, when using both main and slimbay; volume are > >shipments promised in May. > > > > The point is when technology pushes new HD capacities, they initially > come out in >12.5mm sizes on a frequent basis and these drives have > larger capacities and sometimes faster rpm rates. In time, similar > capacity devices are offered in smaller form factor(s) as technology > affords it. The 770 series can accomodate larger physically sized > HDs (>12.5mm). The 600 series can not. This was the case with the > 25gb drive, and I suspect it will happen again in the future with > other drives, manufacturers and capacities as they push the envelope > for speed and capacity. > > Mark > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 23 03:30:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA29961 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:30:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07419; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:30:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07339; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07326; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:30:44 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-413.gate.net [199.227.131.222]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA23100; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:30:40 -0400 Message-ID: <3902A6AA.AA290FF4@gate.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:30:50 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks (was: i Series horror stories?) References: <3.0.6.32.20000421191647.0140a100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <2001605@panix.com> <3.0.6.32.20000421194510.014053d0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: HEY, Guys.. :-) one more point to consider in the OS Wars/HDD Size wars, etc., etc., ad inf, ad nauseum is the fact that the 770Z running W2K can hot swap the HDD in the ultrabay.. :-) just another 2 cents (canadian) worth.. Mark Bell wrote: > I would be interested in that paper or web site. To push the > envelope, I can't see companies waiting until their technology > can be sized into a 12.5mm form factor. IBM isn't the only one > making HDs either. In addition, the 770 series will allow a user > access to their old data if needed (or anyone needing to work with > a larger form factor laptop HD for whatever reason) or save $$$ by buying a HD > in the larger form factor when the smaller becomes available. > There is zero disadvantage of the HD bay on the 770, and it is > an advantage over the 600 series. I agree that density is only going > to improve (as it has for years ), but coupled with a larger > form factor, they can stuff even more capacity in that puppy. Of course > at what point is, "enough is enough." >:-) Heck, I don't even use > all the capacity of the stock 14.1gb drive in my 770z! > > At 07:27 PM 04/21/2000 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > >I think I remember reading a paper on new disk technologies which said that > >12.5mm was going to be a standard for the next while, and 17mm wouldn't > >be needed. IBM has gotten up to around 17 billion bits per square inch now > >in data density and I got the impression thats only going to improve, so the > >new disks won't be as tall as before. > > > >Witness the 32 and 30G IBM disks at 12.mm. Also, consider that smaller > >notebooks could use the smaller disks. > > > >Now if only I could remember the site where I was reading about all this... > > > >STeve Andre' > > > >At 07:16 PM 4/21/00 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: > >>At 10:35 PM 04/21/2000 BST, Anthony R. Gold wrote: > >> >In message <15782.000420@falkor.chi.il.us> "Ronald W. Heiby" writes: > >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >> >> Hash: SHA1 > >> >> > >> >> Thursday, April 06, 2000, 2:49:29 PM, Randal wrote: > >> >> RW> The 770 had only 3 things over the original 600: > >> >> RW> (1) Video capability (presumably in or out), ... > >> >> RW> (2) Hardware-assisted MPEG playback ... > >> >> RW> (3) the largest 14.1" screen with 1280x1024 resolution ... > >> >> RW> EVERYTHING else the 770 had or did, the 600 matched quite nicely. > >> >> > >> >> Cool! I didn't know that I could put two 25Gig HDs into a 600 series, > >> >> or even ONE 25Gig HD. Which model is it that has this capability, so I > >> >> can consider it for replacing my 770ED? > >> > > >> >Check out http://www.storage.ibm.com/press/hdd/20000412.htm for info > >> >on the 30GT, a 12.5mm 30GB 4,200rpm drive which should allow 60GB in > >> >any 600 series thinkpad, when using both main and slimbay; volume are > >> >shipments promised in May. > >> > > >> > >>The point is when technology pushes new HD capacities, they initially > >>come out in >12.5mm sizes on a frequent basis and these drives have > >>larger capacities and sometimes faster rpm rates. In time, similar > >>capacity devices are offered in smaller form factor(s) as technology > >>affords it. The 770 series can accomodate larger physically sized > >>HDs (>12.5mm). The 600 series can not. This was the case with the > >>25gb drive, and I suspect it will happen again in the future with > >>other drives, manufacturers and capacities as they push the envelope > >>for speed and capacity. > >> > >>Mark > >> > >> > >>------------------------------------------------- > >>Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > >>800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > >>Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > >>Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > >>------------------------------------------------- > >>Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > >>RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > >>Network and System consultation and installation > >>-------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 23 03:34:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA29975 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:34:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07723; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:34:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07630; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA07617; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:34:16 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-413.gate.net [199.227.131.222]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA178064; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:34:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3902A77E.639C7710@gate.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:34:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pete Ferrand CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: key click? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steve... ICQ has a very nice TTY sound when typing into an ICQ instant message.. :-) the 760 series keyboard was the worst IBM ever had attached to any thinkpad or other machine.. they wore out quickly and had a mushy feel.. even when not in the raised position.. (though you do become accustomed to it, and i DID like the mechanism to raise the keyboard)... Pete Ferrand wrote: > I'm very happy with my new-to-me 760EL but considering it's IBM I > am disappointed the keys don't click like my IBM desktop keyboard. > > Unless I've missed the setting in the manual I don't see it > anywhere. > > There were some ancient utilities to do this in software I vaguely > recall but I wonder if anyone has added this attribute > more-or-less recently. > > I'm using Win95, will upgrade to 98 eventually, more quickly if I > can find a 20X or better CD-ROM for the Ultrabay or the IDE > adapter for the Dock Station I. > > Thanks. > > -Pete > Plainfield, NH -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 23 03:41:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA30014 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:41:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08214; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:41:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:41:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08111; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08098; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:41:31 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-413.gate.net [199.227.131.222]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA18710; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:41:22 -0400 Message-ID: <3902A92C.405B7049@gate.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:41:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TomATrottier@home.com CC: Mark Lemon , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: What is the "pink screen" problem? References: <4.3.1.0.20000408001547.00d1f540@pilot.msu.edu> <39019F99.14944.4730B8D@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Send that thinkpad in for service.. its a hardware problem.. i have seen this on other thinkpads (usually older) and on my philips flat panel display, which also has the worst colors between the h/p and IBM TFT displays.. IBM being the best color of all.. Tom Trottier wrote: > Hi Mark, > > Is there any correlation with low temps? Could be electrical, or LCD > related. > > Tom > > At 2000 April 8 - Saturday 13:43, Mark Lemon > spoke about *RE: What is the "pink screen" probl...* saying > > > on my TP600, about one out of 3 times I start the box all > > the white letters have a pink/static/halo effect. The MS > > Windows logo looks like a tie-dyed tee shirt, and the main > > screens icon fonts are streaked with the pink static so as > > to be unreadable. When I start MSWord, the white sheet of > > paper is pink. > > > > Sometimes the DOS text starts pink, but the problem "cures" > > itself when the LCD jumps to graphics mode. Moving the > > screen back and forth (assuming it is a bad ribbon cable) > > appears to have no effect (I'm gentle). Only a cold boot. > > > > My frustration is sometimes it will happen over and over, > > whilst other times it will go for a couple days without > > problem. Fortunately, I almost exclusively use a docking > > station, so my normal monitor & working is unaffected. > > > ... > ------------------------- > Tom Trottier, Abacurial IT Consulting ICQ: 57647974 > 400 Slater St.Suite 415, Ottawa Ontario Canada K1R 7S7 > __o > _ \< +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 > (+)/'(+) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at > http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 23 03:43:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA30021 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:43:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08479; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:43:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08364; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08351; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:43:21 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.12.72]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000423074318.JXN1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 07:43:18 +0000 Message-ID: <003b01bfacf7$ae24a540$480c4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Big, Fat,,,,,, Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 02:43:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. Yes, IDE is an extension of ISA. PCMCIA is a somewhat strange extension of IDE, the PC card standard is so close to IDE that there are connect-a-harddrive things that allow a IDE drive to be used on PC card busses, and yes it is true there are things like this for the printer port. From cph Sun Apr 23 03:43:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA30025 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:43:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08556; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:43:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08425; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08392; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:43:26 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-413.gate.net [199.227.131.222]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA80036; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:42:59 -0400 Message-ID: <3902A98C.BC9D4BA6@gate.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:43:08 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: "Aaron W. Brown" , ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu, Mark Bell Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks (was: i Series horror stories?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: AFAIK one head at a time.. but, as mentioned in another thread, 17mm are 4900 or 5400 RPM and 12mm are 4200 RPM.. Michael Geary wrote: > > A fatter drive by definition has a capacity and performance increase > > over a thinner drive of equal media density and rpm. Because a 17mm > > drive has more platters/heads, data is read/written faster when > > compared to a 12.5 (or thinner) drive. A 17mm drive could have 5 > platters, > > so 10 heads. Whereas a 12.5mm would have only 3 platters and 6 heads. 10 > > heads handles more data that 6. 40% more. That's a lot of real > performance > > where it counts. The thick drive stores 40% more data too. > > Do they read/write using multiple heads in parallel? I thought they used one > head at a time, which would mean there's no speed advantage to having more > platters. (And perhaps a slight speed disadvantage because the head assembly > has more mass to move around.) Of course, I could be mistaken about this... > > -Mike -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 23 03:51:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA30030 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:51:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09048; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:50:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08935; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08922; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:50:25 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-413.gate.net [199.227.131.222]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA128944; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:50:21 -0400 Message-ID: <3902AB46.3EF6051A@gate.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:50:30 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LightSide CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: 365XD upgrade possiblity? References: <200004230308.UAA82198@whistler.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the 365X will support a 64meg memory upgrade.. the same as used in the 560.. take a look at the price list on my site, it has the 365X there for the 64meg part.. the 365 will also support up to a 12.6mm, 6.4gig HDD.. and, maybe, a larger capacity drive.. but i'm getting old and i forget what i have sent to who, or is that who is on second.. ? :-) LightSide wrote: > On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 18:53:48 +0500, Sandra Rozhon wrote: > > >I have a Thinkpad 365XD 133mhz with 16MB of RAM and a 1GB harddrive. > >What is the feasibility of upgrading RAM and the harddrive? > > Got money? If so you can get memory and harddrives. ;) hehe > > >What is the maximum memory for a machine of this type? > > 40 Megs is the offical account although there have been reports and test that it could > take up to 72megs with a certain FRU and a bio upgrade. I have a copy of this message > from the ThinkPad list on that. > I don't know about the maxium harddrive size. I have a 2.1 gig drive that works for me. > > >What sort of harddrive should I be looking for? Is there a specific > >thickness and capacity that I need to look for? > > Good question. I used to know the answer for that question. Bill Morrow probably has it > memorized. :) > Robert Mears > Certified Key and Button Pusher > robertm@az.com > OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 23 03:52:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA30037 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:52:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09235; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:51:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09140; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09127; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:51:57 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-413.gate.net [199.227.131.222]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA103398; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:51:53 -0400 Message-ID: <3902ABA3.2E4EFF4D@gate.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:52:03 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Scott Beals CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Revamps Thinkpads References: <00a801bfab3e$547c0840$3fa1aec7@tp1721> <39026EFC.E4B5C1D5@ricochet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: AND, blue tooth AND P-III 700 AND 10/100 ethernet AND street price of $4500, AND AND AND.. BUT 18gig max.. :-( Andrew Scott Beals wrote: > "up to 1400 by 1050 pixels" > > OOH! OOOH! OOOH! OOH! > > "Chuck S." wrote: > > > http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-1717317.html > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ---- -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 23 03:53:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA30043 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:53:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09379; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:53:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09297; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09283; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:53:19 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-413.gate.net [199.227.131.222]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA18908; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 03:53:15 -0400 Message-ID: <38F572A3.2F2FB228@gate.net> Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 03:09:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Slip CC: "Patrick A. Forte" , Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Power bricks for 760ED References: <38F2B7FF.4EB762BA@gate.net> <002001bfa3a5$299f4ba0$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: never mind.. the one i'm looking at now is not flexible enough.. looks like its time for a new one.. Slip wrote: > >check the small contacts just inside the rubber plug body.. > >heat can weaken the tension and with a poor contact, you get more heat, > thus a viscous cycle starts.. > >see if you can squeeze them a bit, if they appear blackened.. > >otherwise the only solution is a new AC adapter.. > > Are you talking about the rubber plug which is connected to the thinkpad? > The 760 brick is some-what unique in that it does not have a strain relief > on the brick itself. If it's in the connector itself, then I'm kinda screwed > because it appears to be one solid mold.(no creases or places I can 'crack' > it....) > > Thanks! > -Jamie -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 23 04:07:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA30089 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 04:07:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10542; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 04:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 04:07:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10458; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 04:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10445; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 04:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.119 -> pilot019.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 04:06:58 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm452-11.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.117]) by pilot019.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA75624; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 04:06:53 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000423035746.00c85eb0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 04:06:55 -0400 To: penzance@gate.net From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks (was: i Series horror stories?) Cc: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3902A4F7.382F11BD@gate.net> References: <4.3.1.0.20000421192354.00d878f0@pilot.msu.edu> <3.0.6.32.20000421191647.0140a100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <2001605@panix.com> <4.3.1.0.20000421194902.00d83b10@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I suspect lots, Bill. For me, I've made the transition to laptops as my permanent computing platform. This XGA display I'm using on this i 1451 is just so marvelous that it really hurts my eyes to have to stare at a fuzzy old Trinitron monitor any more. I really mean that. My headaches have gone down tremendously having used TFT displays for all my computers now. Then there is the mobility issue, such that I can write, or work on code wherever I am. I even have the advantage of having a built in UPS on my ThinkPad, something that I wound up appreciating at work about two weeks ago when the power glitched for two seconds. Everyone else's computers rebooted but mine... So I think that more and more people are going to be demanding large disk drives. Personally, I could use 300G of disk on my laptop. I've always wanted to have everything I've ever done with computers near me, and huge drive on my laptop would literally let me carry a large part of my life with me at all times. Not a bad thing. Lastly, I'll point out that data like audio files and soon video files will capture folks imaginations, such that many gigs will be consumed that way. If IBM comes out with the 30 or 32G disks for us folks this summer, I'll upgrade my i 1480 to it. If they don't, then I'll get an 18G disk and fill that within a week. I really could use 300G. I know I'm not alone. --STeve Andre' At 03:23 AM 4/23/00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >the A20p has an 18gig drive.. which points to 12.5mm.. >the T20 (51U) has an 18gig, the T20 41U has a 12gig.. > >and, in spite of my earlier 43gig comment, how many users really need 2 x >25gig or, >even 2 x 18gig on any one laptop.. ?! > >STeve Andre' wrote: > > > If and when I get the name of the site again I will let everyone know. It > > was an interesting mix of technical stuff. I HATE it when my system > > crashes, and I haven't saved the site I'm at into a bookmark. > > > > At any rate, I think that the space squeeze inside laptops, coupled with > > the increasing bit densities involved are going to make for thinner disks. > > Look at what IBM has done with its current models, from the lowly i > > Series to 600's; they all handle 12.5, not 17mm drives. To me that says > > that they aren't going to go about using the older larger size any more. > > > > It will be very interesting to see what disk size the new A20's and T20's > > can handle. If the higher end units can't take 17mm disks then I think > > that will be significant. I know already that there are some interested > > 7mm disks in Japan in the 8 or 9G range, with really good shock > > handling characteristics. > > > > As an aside, a hardware type friend of mine has speculated that we may > > be on the cusp of another leap in disk drive capacities soon. He reads > > things that the disks folks write and understands the subtle nuances of > > magnetic theory and says this. 'Twill be interesting to see if he's right. > > > > --STeve Andre' > > > > At 07:45 PM 4/21/00 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: > > >I would be interested in that paper or web site. To push the > > >envelope, I can't see companies waiting until their technology > > >can be sized into a 12.5mm form factor. IBM isn't the only one > > >making HDs either. In addition, the 770 series will allow a user > > >access to their old data if needed (or anyone needing to work with > > >a larger form factor laptop HD for whatever reason) or save $$$ by > buying a HD > > >in the larger form factor when the smaller becomes available. > > >There is zero disadvantage of the HD bay on the 770, and it is > > >an advantage over the 600 series. I agree that density is only going > > >to improve (as it has for years ), but coupled with a larger > > >form factor, they can stuff even more capacity in that puppy. Of course > > >at what point is, "enough is enough." >:-) Heck, I don't even use > > >all the capacity of the stock 14.1gb drive in my 770z! > > > > > >At 07:27 PM 04/21/2000 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > > > >I think I remember reading a paper on new disk technologies which > said that > > > >12.5mm was going to be a standard for the next while, and 17mm wouldn't > > > >be needed. IBM has gotten up to around 17 billion bits per square > inch now > > > >in data density and I got the impression thats only going to > improve, so the > > > >new disks won't be as tall as before. > > > > > > > >Witness the 32 and 30G IBM disks at 12.mm. Also, consider that smaller > > > >notebooks could use the smaller disks. > > > > > > > >Now if only I could remember the site where I was reading about all > this... > > > > > > > >STeve Andre' > > > > > > > >At 07:16 PM 4/21/00 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: > > > >>At 10:35 PM 04/21/2000 BST, Anthony R. Gold wrote: > > > >> >In message <15782.000420@falkor.chi.il.us> "Ronald W. Heiby" writes: > > > >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > > >> >> Hash: SHA1 > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Thursday, April 06, 2000, 2:49:29 PM, Randal wrote: > > > >> >> RW> The 770 had only 3 things over the original 600: > > > >> >> RW> (1) Video capability (presumably in or out), ... > > > >> >> RW> (2) Hardware-assisted MPEG playback ... > > > >> >> RW> (3) the largest 14.1" screen with 1280x1024 resolution ... > > > >> >> RW> EVERYTHING else the 770 had or did, the 600 matched quite > nicely. > > > >> >> > > > >> >> Cool! I didn't know that I could put two 25Gig HDs into a 600 > series, > > > >> >> or even ONE 25Gig HD. Which model is it that has this > capability, so I > > > >> >> can consider it for replacing my 770ED? > > > >> > > > > >> >Check out http://www.storage.ibm.com/press/hdd/20000412.htm for info > > > >> >on the 30GT, a 12.5mm 30GB 4,200rpm drive which should allow 60GB in > > > >> >any 600 series thinkpad, when using both main and slimbay; volume are > > > >> >shipments promised in May. > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >>The point is when technology pushes new HD capacities, they initially > > > >>come out in >12.5mm sizes on a frequent basis and these drives have > > > >>larger capacities and sometimes faster rpm rates. In time, similar > > > >>capacity devices are offered in smaller form factor(s) as technology > > > >>affords it. The 770 series can accomodate larger physically sized > > > >>HDs (>12.5mm). The 600 series can not. This was the case with the > > > >>25gb drive, and I suspect it will happen again in the future with > > > >>other drives, manufacturers and capacities as they push the envelope > > > >>for speed and capacity. > > > >> > > > >>Mark > > > >> > > > >> > > > >>------------------------------------------------- > > > >>Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > > > >>800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > > > >>Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > > > >>Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > > > >>------------------------------------------------- > > > >>Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > > > >>RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > > > >>Network and System consultation and installation > > > >>-------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------------------------- > > >Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > > >800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > > >Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > > >Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > > >------------------------------------------------- > > >Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > > >RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > > >Network and System consultation and installation > > >-------------------------------------------------- > >-- >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > From cph Sun Apr 23 06:11:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA30341 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:11:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17884; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:10:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17768; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17755; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:10:07 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.58]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000423101005.QZB1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 10:10:05 +0000 Message-ID: <005b01bfad0c$2ddf87a0$480c4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Big, Fat,,,,, Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 05:10:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. That is the whole point, whatever 'monster' sized drive you get, will never be big enough, the bad thing is, if you wait, you will wait forever, because the race for faster, bigger cheaper is on, I just wish quality would not suffer, look at the i series, you will understand, that is, if you own a " real " thinkpad. From cph Sun Apr 23 06:25:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA30591 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:25:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18190; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:25:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18109; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18095; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:25:29 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA24427; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:25:24 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <004201bfad0e$5c817a80$4362183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "STeve Andre'" Cc: References: <39028922.16BF@southeast.net> <4.3.1.0.20000423023925.00d6c550@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: [TPall] Re: List for OLD Thinkpads?? Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:26:14 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I agree 100% with Steve. In addition to his good arguments: many owners of newer Thinkpads are former owners of older models, and generally quite happy to answer questions about their former machines, while many owners of older machines eventually decide to get a newer one, and benefit from having been exposed to some discussion of the newer models (even just seeing the subject lines long enough to hit the key can be useful in the long run). Once a couple of years ago I proposed prepending subject lines with boxed tags indicating the scope of the post, e.g. the one above for posts like this, [TP701] for the 701, [TP7xx] for any 700-series, [OT] for off-topic posts, etc. Every so often listers start doing this for a while, then we all (myself included) get lazy and stop. Maybe we should all be more careful to specify models in the subject line, to make deletion easier. While having a uniform convention for this specification - especially the one I suggested - is not strictly necessary, it *would* perhaps be useful for us to agree on a few to make killfiles easier. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "STeve Andre'" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 8:55 PM Subject: Re: List for OLD Thinkpads?? Fragmentation of mailing lists is a really bad idea. Let me explain why. First, you don't have any good definition of what an "older" ThinkPad is. Where does one draw the line? I suppose the 486/Pentium boundary is reasonable, but only for now. Given time lots of the P/PII systems are going to look kind of old... Two--and more importantly--the folks who primarily deal with these older machines aren't going to be here as much (or at all), and people like me will likely miss out on the discussion. I deal with a lot of different kinds of computers in my job and such, and deal with older machines as well as brand new ones. I have a TP 760 on my desk at the moment, sick, which I'm working on. Perhaps I should join this new list just so I can keep up on them, but I shouldn't have to. The TP list can accomodate all comers. If a thred doesn't interest you, don't read it--kill it off and move on. *Why* is it that people feel the need to split off, just because they don't currently use the newer machines? Why do we all have to be so specialized? There IS VALUE in seeing data on other machines. For one thing, its a form of cross-pollenization of ideas and experience, such that what one person says about working on some older machine may well be useful on a new one. Certainly that is the case with software--I've learned things about Windows here from folks who use "older" machines. The more I think about this the more I dislike the idea of a separate list. Obviously I can't stop anyone from doing this, but the software issue makes "older" machines much closer to the "newer" ones, doesn't it. If these lists only talked of hardware then there might be more merit to it, but still, talk of things like PCMCIA cards and the like are still often applicable to both old and new machines. This move is ill-advised. In the 23 years I have used the Internet (once called ARPANet) I have seen this reconfiguration of groups over and over again, until things have gotten incredibly fragmented. We will all miss out by not being in the same boat. I'll only point out once that issues like how IBM treats its customers, etc, cross over between platforms, etc. Ah well--I've spoken my piece. I wish the members of the older TP's luck in their endevours. --STeve Andre' From cph Sun Apr 23 06:56:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA07432 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:56:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18663; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:55:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18565; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loomis.vermontel.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18552; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loomis.vermontel.net (204.164.106.19 -> loomis.vermontel.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:55:41 -0400 Received: from netzero (whit1-129.vermontel.net [206.102.230.133]) by loomis.vermontel.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA86576; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:55:22 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pete@vermontel.net) From: "Pete Ferrand" To: Cc: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: key click? Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 06:55:33 -0400 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3902A77E.639C7710@gate.net> List-Unsubscribe: Hey Bill et al: Took too bloody long for you guys to respond so a half hour with a search engine produced two key click programs, both from the same freeware author: http://www.primesoft.force9.co.uk/ Kclick and Ksound are little programs that offer a configurable sound when the keys are hit. I wound up using Kclick which has built-in sounds but it shouldn't be too hard to get the Ksound program to emulate the ICQ noises, but I didn't want to go overboard. I don't think the keyboard all that bad but it doesn't have the snap when it gets to the bottom like all the other IBMs. That's nice if you have to use the machine in a quiet environment where tapping away may not be appreciated, so a software solution is preferable. But because it's so different than my other keyboards I found myself not pushing it far enough down to register, so the Kclick software really helps. Now, Bill...who is Steve and what's his contribution to this??? -Pete Plainfield, NH > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] > Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 3:34 AM > To: Pete Ferrand > Cc: Thinkpad List > Subject: Re: key click? > > > Steve... > > ICQ has a very nice TTY sound when typing into an ICQ > instant message.. > :-) > > the 760 series keyboard was the worst IBM ever had > attached to any > thinkpad or other machine.. > they wore out quickly and had a mushy feel.. even when > not in the raised > position.. > (though you do become accustomed to it, and i DID like > the mechanism to > raise the keyboard)... > > Pete Ferrand wrote: > > > I'm very happy with my new-to-me 760EL but > considering it's IBM I > > am disappointed the keys don't click like my IBM > desktop keyboard. > > > > Unless I've missed the setting in the manual I don't see it > > anywhere. > > > > There were some ancient utilities to do this in > software I vaguely > > recall but I wonder if anyone has added this attribute > > more-or-less recently. > > > > I'm using Win95, will upgrade to 98 eventually, more > quickly if I > > can find a 20X or better CD-ROM for the Ultrabay or the IDE > > adapter for the Dock Station I. > > > > Thanks. > > > > -Pete > > Plainfield, NH > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > From cph Sun Apr 23 10:11:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA07803 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 10:11:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21951; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 10:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 10:10:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21842; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 10:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21829; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 10:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 10:10:14 -0400 Received: from default - 63.27.183.232 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 07:10:13 -0700 Message-ID: <006b01bfad2d$341b4840$e8b71b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Screen rolling on 701c Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:07:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: What would cause that? Screen or the controller. It stops if the display is wiggled abit. Any ideas? Thanks Brad From cph Sun Apr 23 11:01:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA07899 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:01:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23086; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:01:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:01:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23005; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22992; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:01:33 -0400 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.27) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 23 Apr 2000 10:58:25 -0400 Message-ID: <010701bfad34$fea20980$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Glimse of hope for Linux users and Mwave sound! Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:02:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Hello all, I stumbled across this link a few mins ago and thought the fellow linux users may be interested in reading up. It's basicly a project started to develope kernel patches, drivers, etc to support sound via Mwave. I personally have a 760ED and would *very* much like to get sound working in KDE. I havn't had a chance to check out all the links, but it looks promising! -Jamie -730T : Win95 -701C : Slack3.6 -760ED: Slack7 Recieve a free DVD player with 15 referalls-100 times better than that alladvantage crap! http://www.ikena.com/contest/referral.cfm?refCID=slipnfall From cph Sun Apr 23 11:02:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA07904 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:02:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23208; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:02:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23128; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:02:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23115; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy2.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:02:36 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id IAA13367 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 08:02:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000423075935.04ba8850@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 08:01:47 -0700 To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks (was: i Series horror stories?) In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000423035746.00c85eb0@pilot.msu.edu> References: <3902A4F7.382F11BD@gate.net> <4.3.1.0.20000421192354.00d878f0@pilot.msu.edu> <3.0.6.32.20000421191647.0140a100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <2001605@panix.com> <4.3.1.0.20000421194902.00d83b10@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:06 AM 4/23/2000 , STeve Andre' wrote: [SNIP] >So I think that more and more people are going to be demanding large disk drives. >Personally, I could use 300G of disk on my laptop. I've always wanted to have >everything I've ever done with computers near me, and huge drive on my laptop >would literally let me carry a large part of my life with me at all times. Not a bad >thing. Just a suggestion, but why don't you burn all that 300G of data to a collection of 5 CD-Rs and solve your problem for much less cost and weight than 300G of HD in a laptop? -- David Goldman From cph Sun Apr 23 11:18:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA07924 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:18:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23573; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:18:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23481; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23468; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:18:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from orion.planetcable.net (24.137.12.3) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:18:08 -0400 Received: from cel400 (24.137.23.27) by orion.planetcable.net (Worldmail 1.3.167) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; 23 Apr 2000 11:15:00 -0400 Message-ID: <012501bfad37$4f0fb820$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> From: "Slip" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: Re: MWave + Thinkpads -- here's the link... Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:19:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Heh, sorry about that, forgot to post the link... http://www.flexion.org/mwave/ Doh! -Jamie Recieve a free DVD player with 15 referalls-100 times better than that alladvantage crap! http://www.ikena.com/contest/referral.cfm?refCID=slipnfall From cph Sun Apr 23 11:27:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA07951 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:27:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23852; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:26:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23758; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltdpop4.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23745; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltdpop4.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.4 -> ptldpop4.ptld.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:26:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 90947 invoked by alias); 23 Apr 2000 15:26:42 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 90937 invoked by uid 0); 23 Apr 2000 15:26:41 -0000 Received: from dialupo149.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.84.149) by ptldpop4.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 23 Apr 2000 15:26:41 -0000 Message-ID: <3903174F.FACBBC8B@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 08:31:27 -0700 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: List for OLD Thinkpads?? References: <39028922.16BF@southeast.net> <4.3.1.0.20000423023925.00d6c550@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steve makes some good points. However most of his points would suggest that we should all be part of a "laptop" mailing list rather than a "Thinkpad" list. STeve Andre' wrote: > > Fragmentation of mailing lists is a really bad idea. Let me explain why. > > First, you don't have any good definition of what an "older" ThinkPad is. true, > Two....If a thred doesn't interest you, don't read it--kill it off and > move on. True, but why sort through 40+ messages for the one or two I am interested in reading. > *Why* is it that people feel the need to split off, just because they don't > currently use the newer machines? To encourage freeness of speech. If most of the discussion is about newer machines those of us with older machines are often hesitate and don't speak up. Either to ask or answer questions. > the software issue makes "older" machines much closer to the "newer" ones, doesn't it. No, If that were the case we could all sit on a "Software" list. > talk of things like PCMCIA cards and the like are still often applicable > to both old and new machines. Yes, but not cardbus. > I'll only point out once that issues like how IBM treats > its customers, etc, cross over between platforms, etc. This is a point in favour of a list for older thinkpads. My machine was purchased used and I have no customer relationship, as a Thinkpad owner, with IBM. Steve, I think some of us use lists for different purposes. I am a member of some very specialized lists. For example the OS/2 Word Processing list. The list will be quiet for weeks or even months than a subject will arise and a discussion will run for a while. User of that list mostly use it as a place to shout "Hey, something isn't working with....." Knowing that the list members use the same tools so may have a solution. Same thing with the OS2-NT mailing list. Or the OS2-Linux list. Many of us are not "into" the discussion aspect of mailing lists but the problem solving aspect. -- Patrick West pgpkey 2.6.2 fingerprint is 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Sun Apr 23 12:28:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA08195 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:28:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25619; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:28:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:27:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25516; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25503; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (128.196.137.197 -> trifid.U.Arizona.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:27:56 -0400 Received: from e770 (cx-p.opt-sci.arizona.edu [150.135.52.53]) by trifid.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA13212; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:27:47 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000423091647.00a8de00@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:27:42 -0700 To: "STeve Andre'" From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000422202621.00de4d50@pilot.msu.edu> References: <3901FAFA.BCBE001D@ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:43 PM 4/22/00 -0400, you wrote: >Heh... We have better disks--they're called Ultra SCSI 160 which can transfer >160M/s, which is about 2.4 times faster than the "new improved" 66M IDE disks. > >Why SCSI disks don't exist in the form factor for notebooks is something I >have >never understood. There is nothing in the SCSI hardware that couldn't be >put into >the size of the small disks that ThinkPad's use, so I guess it boils down to >economics. Spending an extra $50 (although I can't imagine it would be >that much) >for a faster disk/controller on a laptop just seems to be beyond >people. Price rules >in the laptop world, just like it does in the desktop arena. Steve, If I remember correctly, the original PowerPC notebooks from IBM (8XX series I think), had SCSI HDs in sizes similar to what was in the then current ThinkPads (7XX machines). I don't remember sizes but I think that they were comparable to the IDE drives. They may have shipped with a version of AIX? I would much rather have a SCSI adapter in a notebook rather than IDE - you could attach various devices without having to fiddle with PCMCIA SCSI cards or a docking station (I've used both for SCSI tape drives, CD-ROMs, HDs, etc). Good SCSI drives have command tagged queueing so they can rearrange IO requests, disconnect/connect, etc. SCSI is a MUCH better connection for IO in OSs like Solaris, especially when you have multiple disks. Also, with the limited number of interrupts available on Intel, using 2 or 3 interrupts for multiple IDE channels is a waste when a good ultra wide SCSI adapter can work as well with multiple devices and use a single interrupt. Stuart >--STeve Andre' > >At 12:18 PM 4/22/00 -0700, Andrew Scott Beals wrote: >>But the head assembly has less moving to do as well. You pays your >>money, you >>takes your chances. >> >>It's nice that we finally got faster access to RAM, but disk i/o is just >>so slow >>compared to what it was years and years ago, relative to processor speed. >> >>Michael Geary wrote: >> >> > > A fatter drive by definition has a capacity and performance increase >> > > over a thinner drive of equal media density and rpm. Because a 17mm >> > > drive has more platters/heads, data is read/written faster when >> > > compared to a 12.5 (or thinner) drive. A 17mm drive could have 5 >> > platters, >> > > so 10 heads. Whereas a 12.5mm would have only 3 platters and 6 >> heads. 10 >> > > heads handles more data that 6. 40% more. That's a lot of real >> > performance >> > > where it counts. The thick drive stores 40% more data too. >> >> > Do they read/write using multiple heads in parallel? I thought they >> used one >> > head at a time, which would mean there's no speed advantage to having more >> > platters. (And perhaps a slight speed disadvantage because the head >> assembly >> > has more mass to move around.) Of course, I could be mistaken about >> this... >> > >> > -Mike > From cph Sun Apr 23 12:43:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA08297 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:43:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26047; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:42:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25956; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25943; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:42:21 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA26749; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:42:20 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA27477; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000423093512.00b39a30@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:37:59 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks (was: i Series horror stories?) In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000423075935.04ba8850@127.0.0.1> References: <4.3.1.0.20000423035746.00c85eb0@pilot.msu.edu> <3902A4F7.382F11BD@gate.net> <4.3.1.0.20000421192354.00d878f0@pilot.msu.edu> <3.0.6.32.20000421191647.0140a100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <2001605@panix.com> <4.3.1.0.20000421194902.00d83b10@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:01 AM 04/23/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >So I think that more and more people are going to be demanding large > disk drives. > >Personally, I could use 300G of disk on my laptop. I've always wanted > to have > >everything I've ever done with computers near me, and huge drive on my > laptop > >would literally let me carry a large part of my life with me at all > times. Not a bad > >thing. > >Just a suggestion, but why don't you burn all that 300G of data to a >collection of >5 CD-Rs and solve your problem for much less cost and weight than 300G of >HD in a >laptop? Perhaps because 5 CD-R's would give him a little over 3 GB--not 300 GB. From cph Sun Apr 23 12:54:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA08498 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:54:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26513; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:54:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:54:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26435; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26422; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:54:21 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA28128; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:54:20 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA29779; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000423093952.00b3b280@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 09:48:15 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Big, Fat,,,,,, In-Reply-To: <003b01bfacf7$ae24a540$480c4a0c@701c> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 02:43 AM 04/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Yes, IDE is an extension of ISA. No more so than MFM, ESDI, or any other HD interface was. Only SCSI is truly a bus in and of itself, which is why you see SCSI cards referred to as "Host Adapters"--they're just a way for the SCSI bus to communicate with the ISA or PCI bus in the motherboard. But SCSI is independently a bus of its own. >PCMCIA is a somewhat strange extension of IDE, the PC card standard is so >close to IDE that there are connect-a-harddrive things that allow a IDE >drive to be used on PC card busses, and yes it is true there are things like >this for the printer port. That just might be the most faulty (okay, I'll just say it: Stupid) logic I've ever seen. Gee, I can plug a SCSI PCMCIA card in and run a SCSI HD off of that too. Does that mean PCMCIA is a "somewhat strange extension of" SCSI too? PCMCIA is nothing more than an adaptation of the standard ISA/PCI bus that is already in the motherboard of the laptop. Cardbus PCMCIA is an attempt to make that adaptation 32-bit. It has *nothing* whatsoever to do with IDE, SCSI, or any other type of card you can plug into it (they have USB and Firewire cards too--are you going to argue that PCMCIA is an extension of USB or Firewire now?). From cph Sun Apr 23 12:55:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA08504 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:55:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26693; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:55:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26592; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26579; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.110 -> pilot010.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:55:35 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm453-30.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.184]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA15742 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:55:25 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000423123120.00d86ee0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:55:05 -0400 To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks (was: i Series horror stories?) In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000423075935.04ba8850@127.0.0.1> References: <4.3.1.0.20000423035746.00c85eb0@pilot.msu.edu> <3902A4F7.382F11BD@gate.net> <4.3.1.0.20000421192354.00d878f0@pilot.msu.edu> <3.0.6.32.20000421191647.0140a100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <2001605@panix.com> <4.3.1.0.20000421194902.00d83b10@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: ...Because 5 CD's is about 3G. Actually, I have a lot of CD's already, and thats part of the problem--do I take them with me everywhere? Or do I take some and then find out that I needed more? See my problem? Even with DVD's at 4G each its quite a few of them. I suppose double layer double sided DVD's at 17G each means I'd be carrying more than a dozen with me--but even then I wouldn't have access to them all at once. I'll stop whining now. ;-) --STeve Andre' At 08:01 AM 4/23/00 -0700, David Goldman wrote: >At 01:06 AM 4/23/2000 , STeve Andre' wrote: > >[SNIP] > > >So I think that more and more people are going to be demanding large > disk drives. > >Personally, I could use 300G of disk on my laptop. I've always wanted > to have > >everything I've ever done with computers near me, and huge drive on my > laptop > >would literally let me carry a large part of my life with me at all > times. Not a bad > >thing. > >Just a suggestion, but why don't you burn all that 300G of data to a >collection of >5 CD-Rs and solve your problem for much less cost and weight than 300G of >HD in a >laptop? > >David Goldman From cph Sun Apr 23 13:24:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08595 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:24:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27504; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:24:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27422; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27409; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:24:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:24:06 -0400 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA27398 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port21.magma.ca [209.217.123.21]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA05807 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004231724.NAA05807@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:23:06 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000423123120.00d86ee0@pilot.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks (was: i Series horror stories?) List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:55:05 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >Actually, I have a lot of CD's already, and thats >part of the problem--do I take them with me everywhere? >Or do I take some and then find out that I needed more? > >>for much less cost and weight than 300G of HD in a >>laptop? I'm in the same category as STeve, I want everything with me all the time (as Bill Morrow can probably testify). I even stopped hauling the CD drive with me for a while (but I needed it once so I started taking it again, but never using it). Remember too, the assumption here is that the 300G won't weigh any more than my current 16Gb, i.e. two drives. As it is, I can now carry 36Gb at the same weight (two, 12.7mm drives). When there's a 150Gb 12.7mm drive (or I think, 17mm in STeve's machine), there will be no weight penalty. Right now I'm trying hard not to buy one of the new Walkman-size CD-RW drives (I have Yamaha 4416) in hopes a small DVD-RW (or at least -R) drive will become available. andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sun Apr 23 13:29:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08616 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:29:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27759; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:28:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27651; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27638; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:28:39 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.114]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000423172834.TPQU27191.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 17:28:34 +0000 Message-ID: <004301bfad49$71bb9580$ca0c4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Big , Fat,,,,,, Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:28:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. That is the point, the adapt-a-thing shares its logic with the 3.5 to 2.5 hard drive adapter, there is none, that's right, this thing allows a 2.5 "harddrive to connect to PCMCIA, without any active electronics whatsoever, it is nothing more that a box with a small PC board, 4 RF chokes and 3 caps in it. The actual published specs for PCMCIA show, quite clearly, that, with the exception of the addition of some pins for audio and support toggle management, it is really close to IDE. The toggle management is to allow the card be identified and permit warm/hot boot. The e-machines eone computer uses 2 of the same chips, one for the IDE interface and the other as the PC card bridge. There is one line on the chip that if brought to vdd+ is a PCMCIA bridge, and if brought to vdd common, is a IDE interface, the next generation, common on the Dell and some other laptops, is one package that allows for 4 ports, to be toggled by firmware, the only problem with that is that it does not support legacy IRQ in it's normal mode, this is why some other brands of laptops can not run DOS. This is in the training manual for Dell computer, research drive, Austin, TX From cph Sun Apr 23 13:39:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08685 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:39:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28379; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:39:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28299; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28286; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.106 -> pilot006.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:39:21 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm453-30.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.184]) by pilot006.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA57642; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:39:18 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000423125824.00d74960@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:39:15 -0400 To: patrickwest@uswest.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: List for OLD Thinkpads?? In-Reply-To: <3903174F.FACBBC8B@uswest.net> References: <39028922.16BF@southeast.net> <4.3.1.0.20000423023925.00d6c550@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At some point you have to decide how to break up the vast flow of information on the net. Having a mailing list for *all* laptops would be this never ending maelstrom of data. That wouldn't be practical. My philosophy is to make mailing lists as broad as possible. ThinkPads can be covered in one mailing list--all laptops couldn't. --STeve Andre' At 08:31 AM 4/23/00 -0700, Patrick West wrote: >Steve makes some good points. However most of his points would suggest >that we should all be part of a "laptop" mailing list rather than a >"Thinkpad" list. From cph Sun Apr 23 13:48:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08714 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:48:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28740; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:48:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28657; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28644; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:48:31 -0400 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01943 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port21.magma.ca [209.217.123.21]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA07241 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:48:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004231748.NAA07241@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:47:29 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Good deal?! (was: RE: My contribution to this list/OS wars) List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 08:01:27 -0400, David Newman wrote: > >> For only $129 you get >> >> 1) Windows 2000 Professional >> 2) Windows 2000 Advanced Server > >Has anyone yet gone for this? If so, how many users are >licensed with W2KAS? > >Another good deal for developers is MS Developers Network, >which for 700-2000 bucks includes ALL the MS products and >a year of updates. The catch is that the servers have >something like a 2-user license. I think the MSDN limit is 10 connections (based only on reading the site, not on any actual knowledge :) I can't find anything about that in relation to the HOT kit, but I ordered one anyway and will see what it says. (I got it for two reasons: (1) it's cheaper than any boxed upgrade version I've found, and cheaper than an OEM workstation CD from a local store, and (2) for the training resources). BTW, I ordered on Thursday (20/4) some time in the afternoon (EDT). Just checked my order status and it left Kent WA at 6:18pm on Thursday and was released for delivery by Customs in Hamilton Ontario at 10:41am on Saturday! I expected it to take 2-3 weeks as promised/threatened but in fact it might be here tomorrow! (That's next-business-day in Canada since Friday was a statutory holiday). andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sun Apr 23 13:53:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08740 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:53:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29025; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:53:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28931; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28917; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:53:18 -0400 Received: from default - 63.22.251.86 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 10:53:16 -0700 Message-ID: <001901bfad4c$5cb8d500$56fb163f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Still looking Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:50:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: For a REAL cheap laptop for my son. Must be capable of running Win95, and have a color screen Thanks From cph Sun Apr 23 14:13:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08844 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:13:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29830; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:13:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29727; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29714; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:13:26 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.136]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000423181323.MYWK6491.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:13:23 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000423141301.013fa8f0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:13:01 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Still looking In-Reply-To: <001901bfad4c$5cb8d500$56fb163f@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:50 PM 04/23/2000 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >For a REAL cheap laptop for my son. Must be capable of running Win95, and >have a color screen > Denis Hall may be along shortly, but in case he's not, check with him at denhall@ismi.net and see what he has available. Jane From cph Sun Apr 23 14:25:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08923 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:25:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00310; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:25:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00207; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00193; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:25:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:25:33 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.136]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000423182528.NBFE6491.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:25:28 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000423142503.009b4930@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 14:25:03 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: List for OLD Thinkpads?? In-Reply-To: <39026A38.4BEC7AE2@uswest.net> References: <39028922.16BF@southeast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:12 PM 04/22/2000 -0700, Patrick West wrote: >Your new email group has been created. Here's how to find >your group: > >Group name: Thinkpads-older >Main Page URL: http://www.egroups.com/group/Thinkpads-older >Posting address: Thinkpads-older@egroups.com > I really think it's a bad idea to splinter this group for all the reasons that others have stated. Many of us have been here on this list for a long time, have used (and in some cases, still own and use) the older TPs and can answer questions or make suggestions. But if you feel a need to have a separate list for older TPs, why not just use the Thinkpad list that was already on OneList/eGroups as no one else seems to be using it? Why create yet another list? Jane From cph Sun Apr 23 16:29:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09530 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:29:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17670; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:27:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17533; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17514; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vip.psychonet.net (24.113.61.37 -> cr634166-a.rct1.bc.wave.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:27:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (devel@localhost) by vip.psychonet.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with SMTP id e3NKRZb06611; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:27:35 -0700 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:27:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Steve To: Slip cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: Glimse of hope for Linux users and Mwave sound! In-Reply-To: <010701bfad34$fea20980$020aa8c0@TECHGAP.NET> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Its been possible to have sound under linux with the 760ed for a few years now, it just requires loading the mwave drivers under dos and then doing a warm boot (using loadlin) to get into linux which leaves the mwave drivers loaded. Not the nicest solution but one that worked for me just fine. If you do some searching you should be able to locate the website which explains how its done in detail. Steve On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, Slip wrote: > Hello all, > I stumbled across this link a few mins ago and thought the fellow linux > users may be interested in reading up. It's basicly a project started to > develope kernel patches, drivers, etc to support sound via Mwave. I > personally have a 760ED and would *very* much like to get sound working in > KDE. I havn't had a chance to check out all the links, but it looks > promising! > > -Jamie > > -730T : Win95 > -701C : Slack3.6 > -760ED: Slack7 > > Recieve a free DVD player with 15 referalls-100 times better than that > alladvantage crap! > http://www.ikena.com/contest/referral.cfm?refCID=slipnfall > From cph Sun Apr 23 16:59:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA09628 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:59:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18613; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:58:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18538; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18525; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004232058.QAA18525@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.35 -> out5.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 16:58:13 -0400 Received: from AST01 ([32.101.105.205]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <2000042320574824303fggv3e>; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:57:49 +0000 From: "Lee Laniear" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: "Lee Laniear" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.1999 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Large hard drive for a 701C List-Unsubscribe: I have a friend who is looking for a large (greater than 1 GB) hard drive for his 701C. Any suggestions as to sources? Thanks in advance. Lee From cph Sun Apr 23 18:20:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10035 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:20:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21409; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:18:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21229; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21215; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.35 -> hnlmail2.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:18:53 -0400 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.228.165]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:18:50 -1000 Message-ID: <002d01bfad72$0e3fc340$a5e41918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: References: <200004232058.QAA18525@cs.utk.edu> Subject: Re: Large hard drive for a 701C Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:19:56 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: Lee Laniear > I have a friend who is looking for a large (greater than 1 GB) hard drive for his 701C. Any > suggestions as to sources? > Thanks in advance. > Lee --Check out www.pricewatch.com , www.123cdc.com , or ebay for IBM travelstar drives. There are some really great deals on the auctions but make sure the seller has a good reputation before bidding. You don't want to bid on an auction who has seller with a "shady" reputation or none at all. Bill Morrow on our list also sells many of the IBM travelstar drives as well, and he is a great source for hardware compatability. Just to get you started. --Keith Keith Wong System Admin - Document Imaging Honolulu Police Department - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu From cph Sun Apr 23 18:21:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10039 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:21:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21645; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:20:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21548; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21534; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.140 -> ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:20:38 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id SAA26189 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-gbw-vty36.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-gbw-vty36.as.wcom.net [216.192.133.36]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA26181 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 17:20:17 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <8722.000423@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: List for OLD Thinkpads?? In-reply-To: <39028922.16BF@southeast.net> References: <39028922.16BF@southeast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sunday, April 23, 2000, 12:24:50 AM, Computer-Guru wrote: CG> My only thinkpad is a 755 (which I still need an adapter for). I'm just guessing, but I suspect that C-G would not still need an adapter if he were willing to pay more than it would cost someone to box up and ship one. Ron. From cph Sun Apr 23 18:30:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10070 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:30:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22168; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:29:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22058; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:29:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22040; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.35 -> hnlmail2.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:29:37 -0400 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.228.165]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:29:34 -1000 Message-ID: <006701bfad73$8e439020$a5e41918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: "Brad Burean" , "Think" References: <006b01bfad2d$341b4840$e8b71b3f@default> Subject: Re: Screen rolling on 701c Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:30:40 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: Brad Burean > What would cause that? Screen or the controller. It stops if the display > is wiggled abit. > Any ideas? > Thanks > Brad --Hey Brad, if you have a multiport, try attaching an external monitor to your laptop and see if that image is rolling too. If your external monitor doesn't roll, then it is more likely to be your screen or the cable that goes between the two. I'm experiencing screen problems with my 701 too. I just recently spoke to IBM and they said that they would pick up my laptop, troubleshoot it and call me with a free estimate. If I didn't like the price they would ship it back to me all for free. Hope I've helped. --Keith Keith Wong System Admin - Document Imaging Honolulu Police Department - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu > > > > > > > > From cph Sun Apr 23 18:35:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10086 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:35:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22572; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:34:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:34:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22478; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22465; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:34:09 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial42.auto-net.com [208.154.252.91]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA48242 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 17:19:00 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <3903961C.1198986B@iso.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 17:32:29 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: List for OLD Thinkpads?? References: <39028922.16BF@southeast.net> <8722.000423@falkor.chi.il.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: And we would all be driving Rolls Royces if we only willing to pay the price. HA! The point is that there are certain items that the demand for drives the price to ridiculous levels. Thinkpad adapters go for around $50. I only paid $70 for my 755C. It is simply supply and demand. So by increasing the supply sources the price usually goes down. There are other adapters that can be used. But then I guess you have money falling out of your pockets. Not all of us do. Bill (Oh, does this start a sharp exchange?) "Ronald W. Heiby" wrote: > Sunday, April 23, 2000, 12:24:50 AM, Computer-Guru wrote: > CG> My only thinkpad is a 755 (which I still need an adapter for). > > I'm just guessing, but I suspect that C-G would not still need an > adapter if he were willing to pay more than it would cost someone to > box up and ship one. > > Ron. From cph Sun Apr 23 18:54:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10146 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:54:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23614; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:53:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23539; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23525; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:53:34 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-440.gate.net [199.227.173.186]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA154316; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:52:46 -0400 Message-ID: <39037EF3.727FEA4D@gate.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:53:39 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks (was: i Series horror stories?) References: <4.3.1.0.20000421192354.00d878f0@pilot.msu.edu> <3.0.6.32.20000421191647.0140a100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <2001605@panix.com> <4.3.1.0.20000421194902.00d83b10@pilot.msu.edu> <4.3.1.0.20000423035746.00c85eb0@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steve... touche' :-) you're probably correct.. make it and we'll fill it up.. :-) and then fulminate because theres not MORE capacity.. :-)) when i typed that, i was playing some music i had downloaded in the last few hours.. (the only McGuire Sisters song i could find on the 'net) its, 3megs..! STeve Andre' wrote: > I suspect lots, Bill. > > For me, I've made the transition to laptops as my permanent computing platform. > This XGA display I'm using on this i 1451 is just so marvelous that it > really hurts > my eyes to have to stare at a fuzzy old Trinitron monitor any more. I > really mean > that. My headaches have gone down tremendously having used TFT displays for > all my computers now. Then there is the mobility issue, such that I can > write, or > work on code wherever I am. I even have the advantage of having a built in UPS > on my ThinkPad, something that I wound up appreciating at work about two weeks > ago when the power glitched for two seconds. Everyone else's computers > rebooted > but mine... > > So I think that more and more people are going to be demanding large disk > drives. > Personally, I could use 300G of disk on my laptop. I've always wanted to have > everything I've ever done with computers near me, and huge drive on my laptop > would literally let me carry a large part of my life with me at all > times. Not a bad > thing. > > Lastly, I'll point out that data like audio files and soon video files will > capture folks > imaginations, such that many gigs will be consumed that way. > > If IBM comes out with the 30 or 32G disks for us folks this summer, I'll > upgrade my > i 1480 to it. If they don't, then I'll get an 18G disk and fill that > within a week. > > I really could use 300G. I know I'm not alone. > > --STeve Andre' > > At 03:23 AM 4/23/00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >the A20p has an 18gig drive.. which points to 12.5mm.. > >the T20 (51U) has an 18gig, the T20 41U has a 12gig.. > > > >and, in spite of my earlier 43gig comment, how many users really need 2 x > >25gig or, > >even 2 x 18gig on any one laptop.. ?! > > ***SNIP*** -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 23 19:01:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA10187 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:01:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24037; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:00:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23962; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23940; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:00:51 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-440.gate.net [199.227.173.186]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA80536; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:00:03 -0400 Message-ID: <390380A8.75E97011@gate.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:00:57 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pete Ferrand CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: key click? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Pete... thanks for the URL.. i personally LOVE the ICQ noises.. makes me think i'm typing on a REAL computer terminal.. one with gears and cams and the dred "copperoptus", all with a slight oily odor of a nice TTY.. :-) the problems with the 760 keyboard was under heavy use, it would wear and become difficult to depress some of the more used keys.. i think this might be what you're experiencing now and thus your need for the keyclick applet.. mushy bottoming and stiff action = a need for audible feedback.. Pete Ferrand wrote: > Hey Bill et al: > > Took too bloody long for you guys to respond so a half hour with a > search engine produced two key click programs, both from the same > freeware author: > > http://www.primesoft.force9.co.uk/ > > Kclick and Ksound are little programs that offer a configurable > sound when the keys are hit. I wound up using Kclick which has > built-in sounds but it shouldn't be too hard to get the Ksound > program to emulate the ICQ noises, but I didn't want to go > overboard. > > I don't think the keyboard all that bad but it doesn't have the > snap when it gets to the bottom like all the other IBMs. That's > nice if you have to use the machine in a quiet environment where > tapping away may not be appreciated, so a software solution is > preferable. But because it's so different than my other keyboards > I found myself not pushing it far enough down to register, so the > Kclick software really helps. > > Now, Bill...who is Steve and what's his contribution to this??? > > -Pete > Plainfield, NH > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] > > Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 3:34 AM > > To: Pete Ferrand > > Cc: Thinkpad List > > Subject: Re: key click? > > > > > > Steve... > > > > ICQ has a very nice TTY sound when typing into an ICQ > > instant message.. > > :-) > > > > the 760 series keyboard was the worst IBM ever had > > attached to any > > thinkpad or other machine.. > > they wore out quickly and had a mushy feel.. even when > > not in the raised > > position.. > > (though you do become accustomed to it, and i DID like > > the mechanism to > > raise the keyboard)... > > > > Pete Ferrand wrote: > > > > > I'm very happy with my new-to-me 760EL but > > considering it's IBM I > > > am disappointed the keys don't click like my IBM > > desktop keyboard. > > > > > > Unless I've missed the setting in the manual I don't see it > > > anywhere. > > > > > > There were some ancient utilities to do this in > > software I vaguely > > > recall but I wonder if anyone has added this attribute > > > more-or-less recently. > > > > > > I'm using Win95, will upgrade to 98 eventually, more > > quickly if I > > > can find a 20X or better CD-ROM for the Ultrabay or the IDE > > > adapter for the Dock Station I. > > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > -Pete > > > Plainfield, NH > > > > -- > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 23 19:15:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA10280 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:15:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24626; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:14:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24551; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24537; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:14:18 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-440.gate.net [199.227.173.186]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA165646; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:14:03 -0400 Message-ID: <390383C4.B094B87D@gate.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:14:13 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Goldman CC: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Big Fat Disks (was: i Series horror stories?) References: <3902A4F7.382F11BD@gate.net> <4.3.1.0.20000421192354.00d878f0@pilot.msu.edu> <3.0.6.32.20000421191647.0140a100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <2001605@panix.com> <4.3.1.0.20000421194902.00d83b10@pilot.msu.edu> <4.2.1.20000423075935.04ba8850@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i suppose that would be a good idea when there are 5 or 6 CD JukeBox drivers in thinkpads.. :-) or, let us pray, for a DVD DR-RW to write all that data and more to ONE CD.. :-)) David Goldman wrote: > At 01:06 AM 4/23/2000 , STeve Andre' wrote: > > [SNIP] > > >So I think that more and more people are going to be demanding large disk drives. > >Personally, I could use 300G of disk on my laptop. I've always wanted to have > >everything I've ever done with computers near me, and huge drive on my laptop > >would literally let me carry a large part of my life with me at all times. Not a bad > >thing. > > Just a suggestion, but why don't you burn all that 300G of data to a collection of > 5 CD-Rs and solve your problem for much less cost and weight than 300G of HD in a > laptop? > > -- > David Goldman -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 23 19:31:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA10353 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:31:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26565; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:29:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26386; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26373; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:29:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.177.156 -> hs-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:29:56 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id TAA15981 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-gbw-vty36.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-gbw-vty36.as.wcom.net [216.192.133.36]) by sphmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id TAA15974 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:29:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 18:29:41 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <3770.000423@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: List for OLD Thinkpads?? In-reply-To: <3903961C.1198986B@iso.net> References: <3903961C.1198986B@iso.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sunday, April 23, 2000, 7:32:29 PM, William wrote: WVT> The point is that there are certain items that the demand WVT> for drives the price to ridiculous levels. I do not understand your use of the word "ridiculous". One of the key aspects of a free market is that the price of goods rises and falls according to the supply and demand. If there are three power adapters available and fifty people who want them, then (in a perfect market) the three of those fifty people who wanted the adapter the most (by virtue of being willing to pay the most) would get them at the "ridiculous" prices. WVT> Thinkpad adapters go for around $50. I only paid $70 for my 755C. Non sequitor. It doesn't matter what you or anyone else paid for your computer when it comes to how much you might need to spend on a power adapter. WVT> It is simply supply and demand. Yes, exactly. WVT> So by increasing the supply sources the price usually goes WVT> down. There are other adapters that can be used. Sounds good. Of course, if the knowledge of those "other adapters that can be used" is kept tightly held by just a few, then it has no real impact on the market. Even if (for example) you were to tell everyone on this list what other adapters can be used, and where they can be found, and for what price(s), you still will find that there is a floor to the price of a given item. Let's take an example. Let's say that I have a 16Meg memory card that works perfectly well in the 750C and 755CE ThinkPads. Let's say that you would like to have it, but since you paid only $70 for your whole TP, you are reluctant to spend more than (say) $10 on the memory card. Well, even if I count my time as being totally valueless, the cost of a box, some tape, some packing material, and shipping will come awfully close to that $10. So, where's the incentive to me to go to all the trouble to box the thing up and send it to you, take a chance that your check might not be good, and take a chance that you won't be willing to set your BIOS properly to use it and send it back, asking for your $10 back plus your return postage? Frankly, I'd rather toss it in the trash. Same goes for the spare power adapter that I have for the 75x family, except that since I still have the 755CE, there is *some* value in actually having the spare on hand. So, to think that parts and accessories drop in price by the same percentage as the base system is "ridiculous" thinking. One may as well expect the seller of such a power adapter to pay *you* for the honor of taking it off his hands. I know someone who bought a car built in the 1950s. I am certain that the amount he has paid for all of the various components required to get it running again have far exceeded the amount he paid for the entire car to begin with. This did not surprise him. It goes with the territory. WVT> But then I guess you have money falling out of your pockets. WVT> Not all of us do. Not often. And when it happens, I bend over and pick it up. However, I would not make the mistake of devoting my entire computer acquisition budget to a major (though incomplete) component. I would seek to understand what costs would be involved in acquiring the missing pieces to complete the system. Ron. From cph Sun Apr 23 19:35:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA10372 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:35:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26836; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:34:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26763; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26750; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:34:05 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-440.gate.net [199.227.173.186]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA228090; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:33:42 -0400 Message-ID: <39038873.36A955F4@gate.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:34:11 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lee Laniear CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Large hard drive for a 701C References: <200004232058.QAA18525@cs.utk.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: largest HDD the 701 will support is 6.4gigs.. also, do not use a new toshiba 6.4gig as it will not work in the 701, but will work fine in other thinkpads.. (there have been some who say they sell larger HDD's than this for all older thinkpads, but i have yet to see one and thus can't comment) the newer and larger HDD's will require a bit of tinkering since the screw holes do not match up, but for those pragmatic users, just shove the drive (with 701 caddy) into the drive bay, since there is little that can happen to it in there.. :-) Lee Laniear wrote: > I have a friend who is looking for a large (greater than 1 GB) hard drive for his 701C. Any > suggestions as to sources? > > Thanks in advance. > > Lee -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 23 20:36:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA10657 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:36:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00194; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:34:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00066; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00053; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:33:59 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jaxtnt1-7.fdn.com [216.199.4.21]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA05875; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3903BF8C.3F37@southeast.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:29:16 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpads-older@egroups.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: thinkpads@onelist.com Subject: 2nd New Thinkpad List (For Buy, Sell, Trade) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: A place to buy, sell, trade, all thinkpads and parts. Members can post want adds and things that they have forsale. Please go to the following link to subscribe to my new list: http://www.egroups.com/group/thinkpads_buy_sell_trade OR: Subscribe: thinkpads_buy_sell_trade-subscribe@egroups.com Unsubscribe: thinkpads_buy_sell_trade-unsubscribe@egroups.com List owner: thinkpads_buy_sell_trade-owner@egroups.com -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Sun Apr 23 21:31:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA10854 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:31:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12442; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:31:10 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12318; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:31:08 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id VAA02297 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27452; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:47:08 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jaxtnt1-7.fdn.com [216.199.4.21]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA04820; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3903B48C.2D44@southeast.net> Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 19:42:20 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpads-older@egroups.com, "Ronald W. Heiby" CC: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: List for OLD Thinkpads?? References: <3903961C.1198986B@iso.net> <3770.000423@falkor.chi.il.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You know what Ron, I am starting to get tired of your messages. I could care less what market value is for an adapter, I know what it is worth to me. RON:Well, even if I count my time as being totally valueless, the cost From what I can tell so far, you just like to act like a smart ass. Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Sun Apr 23 22:21:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA11064 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:21:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21994; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:19:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21859; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.infoave.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21845; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:19:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.infoave.net (165.166.0.26 -> smtp01.infoave.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:19:50 -0400 Received: from dial-47.r6.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net ("port 1055"@[207.144.129.189]) by SMTP00.InfoAve.Net (PMDF V5.2-33 #38708) with SMTP id <01JOLAGKF8988WW490@SMTP00.InfoAve.Net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:15:17 EDT Received: by dial-47.r6.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net with Microsoft Mail id <01BFAD71.99435660@dial-47.r6.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net>; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:16:40 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:03:24 -0400 From: Stan Jacobs Subject: RE: List for OLD Thinkpads?? To: pctechsoutheastnet Cc: thinkpadcsutkedu Message-id: <01BFAD71.99435660@dial-47.r6.ncelrb.InfoAve.Net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA11065 Just keep the list like it is. Even some of the OS wars stuff is interesting. And if it isn't your interest, the delete button is just a click away. I would rather delete a bunch of stuff each time than to have to belong to three or four list to keep up with stuff. Stan Jacobs ---------- From: Patrick West[SMTP:patrickwest@uswest.net] Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 10:54 PM To: pctech@southeast.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: List for OLD Thinkpads?? We could wander over to onelist.com and create one. Lets tally up the interest. Send a message to patrickwest@uswest.net and we can set up a list if there is a good deal of interest. Computer-Guru wrote: > > Hi, > > Does anyone here know of a list that the main topic is Old thinkPads, > low end pentium, and all of the 486 and below models?? > > This list is great, but it covers a lot more new stuff that I have no > interest in. My only thinkpad is a 755 (which I still need an adapter > for). > > THANKS! > > Jim -- Patrick West pgp 2.6.2 key fingerprint = 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Sun Apr 23 22:34:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA11153 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:34:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23020; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:33:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22937; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA22921; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:33:19 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JOL939ZLGW8WYYIR@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:36:19 CST Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:36:18 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: $53 for PIII 733mhz computer To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: piii 733 mhz 96 mb 17.2 gig hdd comes with win 98 with ms office 2000 premium edition follow this link http://community.ubid.com/actn/opn/20538338_1.htm current average bid $53 ! again, i do not work for ubid and i do not work with microsoft. i got 0 cent to gain or lose if you buy it or not. From cph Sun Apr 23 22:41:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA11197 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:41:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23644; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:40:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:40:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23567; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA23554; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:40:39 -0400 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA13588 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port22.magma.ca [209.217.123.22]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA10034 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004240240.WAA10034@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:39:39 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <3903BF8C.3F37@southeast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 2nd New Thinkpad List (For Buy, Sell, Trade) List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:29:16 -0700, Computer-Guru wrote: >A place to buy, sell, trade, all thinkpads and parts. > >Members can post want adds and things that they have forsale. > >Please go to the following link to subscribe to my new list: >http://www.egroups.com/group/thinkpads_buy_sell_trade What is this sudden fascination with new ThinkPads lists? We're not flooded with for-sale items and I don't remember the list being spammed either! I'm not in the market to buy a ThinkPad so I'm not about to subscribe to another list, but it's interesting to see the occasional reference to what things cost, both new and used. andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sun Apr 23 23:01:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA11282 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:01:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24711; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:59:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24632; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24619; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:59:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:59:08 -0400 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18601 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port22.magma.ca [209.217.123.22]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA12439 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004240259.WAA12439@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:58:05 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Yamaha 4416 + ThinkPad 600: problem with audio CDs List-Unsubscribe: Hello! I'm sure I didn't have this problem until the last few days. Suddenly I can't _play_ audio CDs. Or to be precise, I get no sound, and the time counter increases. This happens with RealJukebox and the Win95 CD Player. Sound on my PC (ThinkPad 600) still works, and I can get sound from mp3s on the HD or on a CD-R in RealJukebox. What's _really_ strange is that if I _record_ the CD using RealJukebox, (and I have it configured to play at the same time), I get the sound. Although RJB seems to lock up at some point in the track, but I suppose that could be the CD. --I thought it might be RJB, but CD Player also plays in silence. --I thought it might be the Yamaha, but sound comes out when I record an audio CD at the same time as playing it, and I can play mp3s from a CD-R with no problem --I thought it might be the computer, but sound works when playing mp3s from the HD or from a CD-R in the Yamaha, and when recording+playing an audio CD. Help! Thanks! andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sun Apr 23 23:09:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA11327 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:09:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25185; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:07:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25109; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25090; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (24.1.227.2 -> cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:07:49 -0400 Received: (from rutledge@localhost) by cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id UAA18319 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:07:47 -0700 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:07:47 -0700 From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: One list! Please! Message-ID: <20000423200747.G1455@cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com> References: <3903BF8C.3F37@southeast.net> <200004240240.WAA10034@mail6.magma.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <200004240240.WAA10034@mail6.magma.ca>; from Andrew Webber on Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 10:39:39PM -0400 List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, Apr 23, 2000 at 10:39:39PM -0400, Andrew Webber wrote: > On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:29:16 -0700, Computer-Guru wrote: > > >A place to buy, sell, trade, all thinkpads and parts. > > > >Members can post want adds and things that they have forsale. > > > >Please go to the following link to subscribe to my new list: > >http://www.egroups.com/group/thinkpads_buy_sell_trade > > What is this sudden fascination with new ThinkPads lists? We're > not flooded with for-sale items and I don't remember the list being > spammed either! I'm not in the market to buy a ThinkPad so I'm not > about to subscribe to another list, but it's interesting to see the > occasional reference to what things cost, both new and used. I agree. This is stupid. In the end, those of us who want to learn the most, will have to subscribe to 3 lists now, increasing the amount of email we receive and increasing the brittleness of the solution (what if my mail account disappears for a few hours? will the bounces require me to re-subscribe to all 3?) And all this discussion should be on a newsgroup anyway; it's more standardized, you don't have to remember where to subscribe or unsubscribe, there are archives at deja.com, and you can go read and search on demand rather than having to read all the time just to clear your mailbox. Mailing lists are such an awful kludge anyway, the last thing we need is more of them. Can I ask a favor? If anyone on this list has anything at all to say about a 730T, will they please cross-post it here as well as whatever list-of-the-day has the popularity? -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 From cph Sun Apr 23 23:38:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA11444 for ; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:38:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27282; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:37:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27181; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27168; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:37:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (206.161.15.5 -> radagast.wizard.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:37:12 -0400 Received: from saruman.wizard.net (saruman.wizard.net [206.161.15.4]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA14452; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:37:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (jonathan@localhost) by saruman.wizard.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27526; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:37:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 23:37:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonathan To: Lee Laniear cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Large hard drive for a 701C In-Reply-To: <200004232058.QAA18525@cs.utk.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, Lee Laniear wrote: > > I have a friend who is looking for a large (greater than 1 GB) hard > drive for his 701C. Any suggestions as to sources? > Hey there, Early last year I had my 701CS (486DX-75, 740 KB disk) upgraded to a AMD K5-133 and a 2 GB disk. At the time, it cost about $400. It was done by Maximum Upgrades (http://www.maxup.com). I do not know if they are still in business, but I was inpressed with the job they did (added another year of life to my computer - would've kept it even longer if the $1100.00 close-out-priced Thinkpad 240 hadn't come along). Yours, Jonathan PS FWIW, I think the above message demonstrates the folly of splitting off an older thinkpad list. I'm sure I am not the only one here who has gone >from an older Thinkpad to a new one. From cph Mon Apr 24 00:23:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA11667 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:23:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29614; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:22:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29541; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web106.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29528; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web106.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.73 -> web106.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:22:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 8574 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2000 04:22:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000424042245.8573.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.112.59] by web106.yahoomail.com; Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:22:45 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 21:22:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: $53 for PIII 733mhz computer To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: What kind of scam is that? It says that current bid needed to win is $103.00 but it's two hours after it's supposed to close. I know they are not going to sell P-III computers for $103. Something crooked is going on here but what, they take your money if you are stupid enough to send it in? --- Jon wrote: > piii 733 mhz > 96 mb > 17.2 gig hdd > comes with win 98 with ms office 2000 premium > edition > > > follow this link > > http://community.ubid.com/actn/opn/20538338_1.htm > > current average bid $53 ! > > again, i do not work for ubid and i do not work with > microsoft. i got 0 > cent to gain or lose if you buy it or not. > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From cph Mon Apr 24 01:38:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA11931 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:38:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02478; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:35:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02359; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02344; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:35:32 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-102.gate.net [199.227.20.165]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA203128; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:35:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3903DD29.6ABE11A1@gate.net> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:35:37 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steve C." CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: $53 for PIII 733mhz computer References: <20000424042245.8573.qmail@web106.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Apparently they take CC, so the is little to lose.. "Steve C." wrote: > What kind of scam is that? It says that current bid > needed to win is $103.00 but it's two hours after it's > supposed to close. I know they are not going to sell > P-III computers for $103. Something crooked is going > on here but what, they take your money if you are > stupid enough to send it in? > > --- Jon wrote: > > piii 733 mhz > > 96 mb > > 17.2 gig hdd > > comes with win 98 with ms office 2000 premium > > edition > > > > > > follow this link > > > > http://community.ubid.com/actn/opn/20538338_1.htm > > > > current average bid $53 ! > > > > again, i do not work for ubid and i do not work with > > microsoft. i got 0 > > cent to gain or lose if you buy it or not. > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Apr 24 01:43:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA11959 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:43:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02692; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:43:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02613; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02597; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:43:13 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JOLFPV0KF48WZ5NS@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:46:19 CST Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 00:46:19 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Piii 700mhz To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: if you are not familliar with ubid bidding policy please refer to the faq. ubid is a big national company i have dealt with them before. From cph Mon Apr 24 01:51:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA11978 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:51:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03064; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:51:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:51:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02985; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:51:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02972; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:51:11 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-102.gate.net [199.227.20.165]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA82384; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:50:46 -0400 Message-ID: <3903E0D3.D56DED71@gate.net> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 01:51:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Piii 700mhz References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: AFAIK Ubid is part of creative computers.. Jon wrote: > if you are not familliar with ubid bidding policy please refer to the faq. > ubid is a big national company i have dealt with them before. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Apr 24 02:49:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA12154 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:49:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04451; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:48:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04370; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04357; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:48:24 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-10.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.10]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA18399 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000424024913.01415100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:49:13 -0700 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: Mark Bell Subject: Splitting the list In-Reply-To: <200004240240.WAA10034@mail6.magma.ca> References: <3903BF8C.3F37@southeast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I think splitting off this list or creating sub lists based upon Thinkpads is a bad idea. When a list becomes so large that the traffic is huge and noticable, it is then that patrons on the list start to notice. I've seen buy/sell messages sporatically and a small trickle of older Thinkpad messages. Some days, the traffic generated by this list is very small. Even on ultra heavy days, it is well below 100 messages. I am comforted by the idea that there is one well known, long running list that has maintained a well kept air of decorum, respect and information exchange with brief moments of light hearted humor and camradere amongst its participants. Couple this established air along with average traffic and a consolidated base and I think this is a nice list that doesn't require other lists to address similar topics which can and most likely have been covered by this list in the past and will probably will be addressed in the future as well. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Apr 24 02:54:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA12163 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:54:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04625; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:53:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04543; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:53:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04529; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:53:36 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-10.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.10]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA20502 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000424025426.01416b70@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:54:26 -0700 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Large hard drive for a 701C In-Reply-To: References: <200004232058.QAA18525@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:37 PM 04/23/2000 -0400, Jonathan wrote: >On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, Lee Laniear wrote: >> >> I have a friend who is looking for a large (greater than 1 GB) hard >> drive for his 701C. Any suggestions as to sources? >> > >Hey there, > >Early last year I had my 701CS (486DX-75, 740 KB disk) upgraded to a >AMD K5-133 and a 2 GB disk. At the time, it cost about $400. > >It was done by Maximum Upgrades (http://www.maxup.com). > >I do not know if they are still in business, but I was inpressed with the >job they did (added another year of life to my computer - would've kept >it even longer if the $1100.00 close-out-priced Thinkpad 240 hadn't come >along). Yep, they are still kickin' The upgrade is ~500.00, and it will upgrade a large quantity of TPs (all the way up to 755's) with the K5133 and 2gb HD. Interested parties should check here: http://www.maxup.com/ibm.htm to see if their unit is upgradable via them. If your TP is a 486 class machine, it stands a good chance of being CPU and HD upgraded in one quick job. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Apr 24 03:02:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA12188 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:02:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05368; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:01:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05286; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05273; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.140 -> ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:01:57 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id DAA27921 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-gvr-vty7.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-gvr-vty7.as.wcom.net [216.192.152.7]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id DAA27916 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 03:01:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 02:01:49 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1684.000424@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: List for OLD Thinkpads?? In-reply-To: <3903B48C.2D44@southeast.net> References: <3903B48C.2D44@southeast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Sunday, April 23, 2000, 9:42:20 PM, Computer-Guru wrote: CG> You know what Ron, I am starting to get tired of your messages. That's fine. Nothing forces you to read my messages. That's one of the beauties of Email. CG> I could care less what market value is for an adapter, I know what CG> it is worth to me. As long as the market value of an adapter is higher than what it is worth to you, you should not be surprised that you still lack one. CG> Have you ever just done something nice for anyone?? When I see someone CG> needing a manual or help with something, I help them. I have sent my old CG> manuals to people for free, they did not even pay for shipping. Oops. Sorry. I didn't understand that your postings looking for various items were along the lines of looking for a handout. I thought (at first) that you were actually trying to purchase items. I do nice things for people all the time. Why don't you give me a good story as to why I should go out of my way to do something nice for you? Are you a student somewhere? Studying what? Is there some other reason? Or, are you just a jerk? Hard to tell, having nothing to go on but the Email to date. CG> On another note, Your prices are crazy! Your the same guy that tried to CG> sell me a 2 gig Thinkpad drive a few months ago for $150.00 At the time, I asked you what you thought a fair price would be for a new, factory sealed box with the drive. I suggested that 75% of whatever the new price was from somewhere like Computer Discount Warehouse would be reasonable. You said that you wouldn't pay more than $50 and could get a 3Gig for less than $200. I said, "OK, that's cool. Good luck!". No hard feelings. You just weren't willing to pay me enough to make me want to sell. 1000 people could each offer me $50 and I still wouldn't sell to any of them. However, the first person to offer 75% of CDW's price can have it. If you want charity, say so and say why you deserve it. CG> From what I can tell so far, you just like to act like a smart ass. Nope. Just smart, and it's no act. Even if I were, it's better than acting like a dumb ass. :-) Ron. From cph Mon Apr 24 05:00:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA12517 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 05:00:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10235; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 05:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:58:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10057; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10044; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:58:17 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-10.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.10]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA00370 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000424045904.014141a0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 04:59:04 -0700 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Big , Fat,,,,,, In-Reply-To: <004301bfad49$71bb9580$ca0c4a0c@701c> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:28 PM 04/23/2000 -0500, rudolph wratten wrote: >>At 02:43 AM 04/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: >>>Yes, IDE is an extension of ISA. >> >> No more so than MFM, ESDI, or any other HD interface was. >> >> Only SCSI is truly a bus in and of itself, which is why you see >>SCSI cards referred to as "Host Adapters"--they're just a way for the SCSI >>bus to communicate with the ISA or PCI bus in the motherboard. But SCSI is >>independently a bus of its own. >> >>>PCMCIA is a somewhat strange extension of IDE, the PC card standard is so >>>close to IDE that there are connect-a-harddrive things that allow a IDE >>>drive to be used on PC card busses, and yes it is true there are things like >>>this for the printer port. >> >> That just might be the most faulty (okay, I'll just say >>it: Stupid) logic I've ever seen. Gee, I can plug a SCSI PCMCIA card in >>and run a SCSI HD off of that too. Does that mean PCMCIA is a "somewhat >>strange extension of" SCSI too? >> >> PCMCIA is nothing more than an adaptation of the standard ISA/PCI >>bus that is already in the motherboard of the laptop. Cardbus PCMCIA is an >>attempt to make that adaptation 32-bit. It has *nothing* whatsoever to do >>with IDE, SCSI, or any other type of card you can plug into it (they have >>USB and Firewire cards too--are you going to argue that PCMCIA is an >>extension of USB or Firewire now?). >> >Hello. > >That is the point, the adapt-a-thing shares its logic with the 3.5 to 2.5 >hard drive adapter, there is none, that's right, this thing allows a 2.5 >"harddrive to connect to PCMCIA, without any active electronics whatsoever, >it is nothing more that a box with a small PC board, 4 RF chokes and 3 caps >in it. The actual published specs for PCMCIA show, quite clearly, that, with >the exception of the addition of some pins for audio and support toggle >management, it is really close to IDE. The toggle management is to allow the >card be identified and permit warm/hot boot. The e-machines eone computer >uses 2 of the same chips, one for the IDE interface and the other as the PC >card bridge. There is one line on the chip that if brought to vdd+ is a >PCMCIA bridge, and if brought to vdd common, is a IDE interface, the next >generation, common on the Dell and some other laptops, is one package that >allows for 4 ports, to be toggled by firmware, the only problem with that is >that it does not support legacy IRQ in it's normal mode, this is why some >other brands of laptops can not run DOS. >This is in the training manual for Dell computer, research drive, Austin, TX IDE = Integrated Device Electronics. It basically put the brains and controller logic on the HD itself. When someone purchases an IDE controller (especially back in the 'old' days), the controller was essentially a dumb pass through controller type. Controllers could be bought for the ISA bus back then (when the industry was transitioning from MFM/RLL ESDI drives to IDE) and PCI was a dream. :) To hook up an IDE HD, you needed a 16-bit ISA controller (which really wasn't even a controller in the MFM/RLL and ESDI sense. More like a passthrough card to the ISA expansion slot). To hook up an MFM/RLL or ESDI drive, you needed a similar controller card to interface these HDs to the ISA bus. The core difference in these drives was that the controller logic was located on the controller card itself for MFM/RLL and ESDI vs. the actual HD physical device itself like IDE. All these devices were 16-bit ISA in nature. IDE was initially a Hard Drive technology. It took awhile before even CD-ROMs become IDE compliant and you needed an expansion card to hook a CD-ROM to your system. IDE was not natively available in the systems originally, but the point is when all was said and done, the device had to interface properly to the ISA bus and later on PCI bus. Modern day MBs that have IDE integrated are based upon the PCI spec, not the ISA spec and they use an IDE controller (which is connected to the PCI BUS) to interface to the bus technology properly doing away with the need for an actual, physical PCI IDE controller card. PCMCIA (or PC Card which is its now know moniker), is based upon the ISA spec as an expansion bus for notebooks and interfaces to the ISA bus (or PCI bus for newer notebooks). PC Cards and Cardbus use controller chips to connect to the system's core bus technology (ISA or PCI) itself. Newer notebooks use the 32-bit cardbus spec for expansion which is based upon the PCI spec. In essence, IDE is a connected interface technology spec like PC Card or Cardbus which connects to the core PCI (or ISA) bus, but that is where it ends. IDE is not ISA. IDE is not PCCard/Cardbus. It does embrace a lot of the same principles for interfacing to the PCI bus, but it is not the same and they are not cross compatible. A modern notebook (and desktop to some extent minus the cardbus controller) usually looks like this: Cardbus Compliant Devices | | Cardbus Memory Controller | | | | | | CPU---CoreLogic----PCI bus--Slots--Devices (TX/LX/BX/820,etc) | | |---IDE Controller-->IDE(ATAPI) | | compliant | | devices | | AGP PCI->ISA Brige | ISA devices & Parallel/Serial+PS/2 ports If you are refering to an older notebook, then replace PCI bus with ISA bus and remove the PCI->ISA bridge and replace Cardbus with PCMCIA/PC Card. I don't care how, "really close PCMCIA is to IDE," Randy is right in what he was saying (who would have know Randy was so durn smart...huh huh). It isn't IDE. And heaven knows it sure isn't an extension of IDE! It connects to the PCI bus *LIKE* IDE, but it isn't IDE. Besides all the similarities (and why wouldn't there be for associated bridged or controller devices sitting on the PCI bus trying to talk to it), the point is PCMCIA WAS created as a portable spec based upon the ISA spec, NOT the IDE spec which really wasn't created as a traditional system bus spec, but became a standard and was integrated into MBs and devices for smart storage and its associated controller chip to interface it to the system PCI or ISA bus and do away with the need for a physical controller card. Want to use PC Cards on your desktop? Get an ISA PC Card expansion card, plop it in an open ISA slot and viola! Watch Win9x detect it, add the appropriate PCMCIA controller card to your System->devices profile and bingo! You can now use PC Card devices on your desktop. I expect similar PCI cardbus expansion cards to appear for desktops (if they haven't already), so users can use their Cardbus devices on their desktops too if they want. Your answer was just wrong. It happens to all of us. I make it a habit to wrong on a daily basis. It keeps me spry and perky whilst learning new things! :) Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Apr 24 08:43:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA13204 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:43:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21510; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:40:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21333; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web111.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21320; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web111.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.81 -> web111.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:40:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 3659 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2000 12:40:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20000424124034.3658.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web111.yahoomail.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 05:40:34 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 05:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Piii 700mhz To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: So,how many Pentium III, 700Mhz computers have you purchased for $103.00? --- Jon wrote: > if you are not familliar with ubid bidding policy > please refer to the faq. > ubid is a big national company i have dealt with > them before. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com From cph Mon Apr 24 08:50:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA13232 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:50:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23430; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:49:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23283; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23256; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:49:05 -0400 Received: from jz2q77qjkfu543 (mmax21.vramp.net [198.138.8.84]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA56776; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:48:24 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Andrew Webber" , Subject: RE: Good deal?! (was: RE: My contribution to this list/OS wars) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:48:00 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <200004231748.NAA07241@mail6.magma.ca> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Andrew Webber [mailto:awebber@wwwebbers.com] wrote > I think the MSDN limit is 10 connections (based only on reading the > site, not on any actual knowledge :) Both the MSDN and HOTKIT CDs are limited to 10 stations. Another possible downside for some is that the software is Not For Release licensed and is _not_ upgradable. BTW, you get W2K Professional, W2K Server and W2K Advanced Server with the W2K Hotkit. > I can't find anything about that in relation to the HOT kit, but I > ordered one anyway and will see what it says. (I got it for two > reasons: (1) it's cheaper than any boxed upgrade version I've > found, and cheaper than an OEM workstation CD from a local store, > and (2) for the training resources). I think you'll be happy with the kit if you take advantage of the training. Both the Scholars.com site as well as the training CD included with the kit were very helpful to me. > BTW, I ordered on Thursday (20/4) some time in the afternoon (EDT). > Just checked my order status and it left Kent WA at 6:18pm on > Thursday and was released for delivery by Customs in Hamilton > Ontario at 10:41am on Saturday! I expected it to take 2-3 weeks as > promised/threatened but in fact it might be here tomorrow! (That's > next-business-day in Canada since Friday was a statutory holiday). My kit arrived within just days of ordering it. The W2K kit arrived last year with the Beta 2 release, but I received full release NFR CDs within days of the 2/17/2K official release. I also received all of the Beta and Pre-Release CDs. I also took advantage of the offer of a HOTKIT for Office2K. Again, the training was worth _every_ penny and I consider it a true value. Regards, James From cph Mon Apr 24 08:51:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA13236 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:51:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23425; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:49:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:49:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23280; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23255; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:49:05 -0400 Received: from jz2q77qjkfu543 (mmax21.vramp.net [198.138.8.84]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA56780; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:48:26 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Ronald W. Heiby" , Subject: RE: List for OLD Thinkpads?? Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:48:02 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <8722.000423@falkor.chi.il.us> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Ron Helby [mailto:heiby@falkor.chi.il.us] wrote: >> Sunday, April 23, 2000, 12:24:50 AM, Computer-Guru wrote: >> CG> My only thinkpad is a 755 (which I still need an adapter for). > > I'm just guessing, but I suspect that C-G would not still need an > adapter if he were willing to pay more than it would cost someone to > box up and ship one. Well, as long as you're willing to send it at NO cost to him, he's willing to acccept it, albeit probably grudgingly. Oh! And you have to be willing to be castigated and generally have your intelligence and ancestry questioned for having had the temerity to ask to be paid it's worth. I can't imagine why he hasn't been inundated with free adapters! Regards, James From cph Mon Apr 24 08:58:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA13262 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:58:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26041; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:56:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25941; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25928; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:56:00 -0400 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA10677 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port22.magma.ca [209.217.123.22]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA08711 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004241255.IAA08711@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:54:56 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Good deal?! (was: RE: My contribution to this list/OS wars) List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:48:00 -0400, James H. E. Maugham wrote: Thanks for posting your hands-on experience! >Andrew Webber [mailto:awebber@wwwebbers.com] wrote > >> I think the MSDN limit is 10 connections (based only on >> reading the site, not on any actual knowledge :) > >Both the MSDN and HOTKIT CDs are limited to 10 stations. >Another possible downside for some is that the software >is Not For Release licensed and is _not_ upgradable. >BTW, you get W2K Professional, W2K Server and W2K Advanced >Server with the W2K Hotkit. They've dropped Advanced Server from the W2K Hotkit as of 17/2/00 (release date of Win2K I think), according to the site. They do specifically mention that people who bought earlier Hotkits get all three. I believe NFR is "Not For Resale", not "Not For Release" (at least as of 17/2/00). I used to get Corel software that way through their Partners program. I guess it doesn't actually stop one from selling it, but as you say there's no support, no upgrade, and if caught theoretically no more Hotkits. >I think you'll be happy with the kit if you take advantage of >the training. Both the Scholars.com site as well as the >training CD included with the kit were very helpful to me. That's good to know! andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Mon Apr 24 09:10:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA13333 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:10:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26727; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:01:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:01:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26633; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww183.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26620; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:01:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww183.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.83 -> ww183.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:01:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 20153 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2000 13:01:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000424130109.20152.qmail@ww183.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.83 by ww183 for [208.16.87.2] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Mon Apr 24 13:01:09 GMT 2000 Date: 24 Apr 00 08:01:09 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "Steve C." , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Piii 700mhz X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA13334 "Steve C." wrote: > So,how many Pentium III, 700Mhz computers have you > purchased for $103.00? Well, as of last night, one. And it's actually a 733MHz, with 133MHz FSB! I figured it couldn't be too big of a risk, considering I can pay with CC. I would never have taken a chance like this with check or MO, but with CC at least I'm protected financially and the most I'll be out is some time and frustration yelling at people if it doesn't pan out. If it does, then I'll happily accept the giveaway PC! Later, "Risk-taking" Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Mon Apr 24 09:13:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA13346 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:13:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27387; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:11:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27313; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27299; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:11:25 -0400 Received: from oscar ([32.100.144.2]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2000042413110122900b68phe>; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:11:02 +0000 Message-ID: <001d01bfadee$1ca8a7e0$02906420@oscar> Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Jon" , References: Subject: Re: $53 for PIII 733mhz computer Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 07:07:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the hot tip. I got one for $103 plus $50 shipping. ----- Original Message ----- > piii 733 mhz > 96 mb > 17.2 gig hdd > comes with win 98 with ms office 2000 premium edition From cph Mon Apr 24 09:27:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA13429 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:27:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28891; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:23:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28803; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28789; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:23:40 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JOLVSIOWO08WZ4F4@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:26:37 CST Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:26:35 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Re:$53 for PIII 733mhz computer To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I, too got the computer at that price $103 + $50 shipping. too many bids going on last night at the site. Since the best price for a 733mhz P III cpu alone is $450, i am not complaining :) maybe after i got the computer i will start a web site that list all of the "almost stealing" deals. what do oyu guys think ? any other good ideas to venture on the web now ?? willing to listen to ideas,suggestions ...etc :) From cph Mon Apr 24 09:31:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA13440 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:31:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29642; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:29:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29544; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29531; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60 -> cpimssmtpu10.smtp.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:29:24 -0400 Received: from default - 63.22.251.249 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 06:29:20 -0700 Message-ID: <005c01bfadf0$a915d5c0$f9fb163f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Tom Franklin" , "Think" References: <001d01bfadee$1ca8a7e0$02906420@oscar> Subject: Re: $53 for PIII 733mhz computer Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:26:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Looks like the auction is still going. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Franklin To: Jon ; Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 8:07 AM Subject: Re: $53 for PIII 733mhz computer > Thanks for the hot tip. I got one for $103 plus $50 shipping. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > piii 733 mhz > > 96 mb > > 17.2 gig hdd > > comes with win 98 with ms office 2000 premium edition > > From cph Mon Apr 24 09:39:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA13495 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:39:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00626; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:37:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00505; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00491; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:37:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:37:08 -0400 Received: from default - 63.22.251.249 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 06:37:02 -0700 Message-ID: <006c01bfadf1$bb4d6b80$f9fb163f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Jon" , "Think" References: Subject: Re: Re:$53 for PIII 733mhz computer Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:33:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: NOW THAT IS A GOOD IDEA! AND A GOOD LIST/EMAIL IDEA. > > maybe after i got the computer i will start a web site that list all of > the "almost stealing" deals. what do oyu guys think ? > > any other good ideas to venture on the web now ?? willing to listen to > ideas,suggestions ...etc :) > From cph Mon Apr 24 09:55:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA13625 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:55:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01957; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:53:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01807; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01794; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:53:05 -0400 Received: from jz2q77qjkfu543 (mmax3.vramp.net [198.138.8.66]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA60562; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:52:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Andrew Webber" , Subject: RE: Good deal?! (was: RE: My contribution to this list/OS wars) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:52:17 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <200004241255.IAA08711@mail6.magma.ca> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Andrew Webber [mailto:awebber@wwwebbers.com] wrote: > Thanks for posting your hands-on experience! Consider it a very minor payback for all the times you folks have responded charitably to my pleas for assistance. Regards, James From cph Mon Apr 24 09:56:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA13646 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:56:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02281; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:54:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02149; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:54:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02136; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:54:50 -0400 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28809 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port22.magma.ca [209.217.123.22]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA15898 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004241354.JAA15898@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "Think" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 09:53:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <005c01bfadf0$a915d5c0$f9fb163f@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: $53 for PIII 733mhz computer List-Unsubscribe: I know this is a stupid question, but where are you all finding this item? IE blows up if I follow the original link, and I can't find it by browsing the site. Thanks! On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:26:11 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >Looks like the auction is still going. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Tom Franklin >To: Jon ; >Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 8:07 AM >Subject: Re: $53 for PIII 733mhz computer > > >> Thanks for the hot tip. I got one for $103 plus $50 shipping. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> > piii 733 mhz >> > 96 mb >> > 17.2 gig hdd >> > comes with win 98 with ms office 2000 premium edition >> >> > > > andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Mon Apr 24 10:05:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA13722 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:05:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02981; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:04:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:03:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02903; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02879; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:03:42 -0400 Received: from jz2q77qjkfu543 (mmax3.vramp.net [198.138.8.66]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA61201; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:03:18 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Andrew Webber" , "Think" Subject: RE: $53 for PIII 733mhz computer Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:02:54 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <200004241354.JAA15898@mail6.magma.ca> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Andy, Try: http://community.ubid.com/actn/opn/20538338.asp but the auction is closed. Damn! Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Webber [mailto:awebber@wwwebbers.com] > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 9:54 AM > To: Think > Subject: Re: $53 for PIII 733mhz computer > > > I know this is a stupid question, but where are you all finding > this item? IE blows up if I follow the original link, and I can't > find it by browsing the site. > > Thanks! > > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:26:11 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: > > >Looks like the auction is still going. > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Tom Franklin > >To: Jon ; > >Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 8:07 AM > >Subject: Re: $53 for PIII 733mhz computer > > > > > >> Thanks for the hot tip. I got one for $103 plus $50 shipping. > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> > piii 733 mhz > >> > 96 mb > >> > 17.2 gig hdd > >> > comes with win 98 with ms office 2000 premium edition > >> > >> > > > > > > > > andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] > ------ > for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject > current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html > > From cph Mon Apr 24 11:11:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA14110 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:11:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07488; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:08:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07365; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.internal (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07352; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.internal (209.166.154.244 -> isdn244.vocollect.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:08:36 -0400 Received: from brianb (brianb.internal [172.31.6.12]) by mail.internal (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA27367; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:03:50 -0400 From: "Brian Bender" To: "'Jeffrey Baker'" , Subject: RE: W2K key switching limitation -- call for help Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:08:53 -0400 Message-ID: <001101bfadff$015d9840$0c061fac@brianb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003c01bfab9e$973245e0$0200a8c0@Laptop> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: There's a keymapper utility that works at the HAL level in the NT5 resource kit. I like CTL and CAPSLOCK where they are, but I use it to turn my @#$&* right-side "Windows" keys into extensions of CTL and ALT (each is now double-wide). Say all you want about OS wars, monopolies, etc., but I really, really, REALLY despise Microsoft's moving onto the "standard" keyboard. It's bad enough on desktop keyboards, but on notebooks, especially, where they're already hiding keys in unnatural places (backslash somewhere else, CTL & ALT only on left side of the space bar, etc.) because of size considerations, 3 more keys is a killer!. Ugh... That's one of the things that keeps me from even _looking_ at anything other than a Thinkpad: screwey keyboard layouts. - Brian Bender Pittsburgh, PA, USA TP600: 10GB HDD, 224MB RAM, WinNT5 / Slack7 Linux dual-booting nicely. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Baker [mailto:plumbush2@mediaone.net] > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 10:34 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: W2K key switching limitation -- call for help > > > I'm about to put Windows 2000 on a 770Z, but have just > learned that key > remap utilities - which I use to swap Ctrl and CapsLock keys > for all my > work - will not run under W2K. The reason the remapping is > so important to > me is that I rely very much on an excellent WordStar keyboard command > add-in > (http://www.petrie.u-net.com/computing/wordstar/emulators/word > 8/pages/wordst > ar.htm) to enable a touch-typing based WordStar command set > in Outlook and > MS Word. I, and a surprising number of others with intensive word > processing requirements, have traditionally used the Keyboard > Remapping > Utility in the W95 Kernel Toys Set > (http://www.microsoft.com/windows95/downloads/contents/WUToys/ > W95KernelToy/D > efault.asp) or the ZDNet Key Remap Utility > (http://hotfiles.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.h > tml?fcode=000O > JB&b=) to switch Ctrl and CapsLock keys for this purpose. > > I was hoping that list members' familiarity with NT and now W2K might > produce a remedy here. Does anyone know how these two keys > can be remapped > under these programs, or whether it may be possible at all? > > Many thanks - Jeff plumbush2@mediaone.net > > > > From cph Mon Apr 24 11:26:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA14285 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:26:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08741; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:24:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08656; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08635; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:24:29 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA01240; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:24:27 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA10363; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000424081107.00b479e0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:12:30 -0700 To: Jon , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Let us know how ti goes...(Re:$53 for PIII 733mhz computer) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:26 AM 04/24/2000 -0600, you wrote: >I, too got the computer at that price $103 + $50 shipping. too many bids >going on last night at the site. Since the best price for a 733mhz P III >cpu alone is $450, i am not complaining :) > >maybe after i got the computer i will start a web site that list all of >the "almost stealing" deals. what do oyu guys think ? I'd like to know what everyone's final result is on this. If you get a decent machine delivered for that price, I'm very happy for you! Please keep us informed... From cph Mon Apr 24 12:05:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA14674 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:05:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11836; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:03:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11747; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11734; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (208.139.144.3 -> mail.advi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:03:02 -0400 Received: from ecamin (s13354226.advi.net [208.133.54.226]) by mail.advi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA16148; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001d01bfae06$55146520$e23685d0@ecamin> From: "Edwin A Camin" To: , , Cc: References: <3903BF8C.3F37@southeast.net> Subject: Re: 2nd New Thinkpad List (For Buy, Sell, Trade) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:01:16 -0400 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I tried to join the C-G group but it says I need parental approval. And I am 69. The date I gave was Feb 28, 1931. My parents are dead! What do I do? You must have a bug in your page. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Computer-Guru To: ; Cc: Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 11:29 PM Subject: 2nd New Thinkpad List (For Buy, Sell, Trade) > A place to buy, sell, trade, all thinkpads and parts. > > Members can post want adds and things that they have forsale. > > Please go to the following link to subscribe to my new list: > http://www.egroups.com/group/thinkpads_buy_sell_trade > > OR: > Subscribe: thinkpads_buy_sell_trade-subscribe@egroups.com > Unsubscribe: thinkpads_buy_sell_trade-unsubscribe@egroups.com > List owner: > thinkpads_buy_sell_trade-owner@egroups.com > > -- > Regards, > > Computer-Guru > pctech@southeast.net > ===================== > From cph Mon Apr 24 12:30:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15053 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:30:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14682; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:28:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:28:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14561; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14529; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 12:28:19 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JOM29JV5408WZ7EX@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:31:21 CST Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:31:20 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: PIII 733 mhz Cancelation To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: For those that ordered or won the bid for this item, there might be a very big chance that this bid would be canceled. Just got an email form the company telling that the bid was placed by mistake. I think it is just a publicity stunt. 934 computers placed on bid, mistake ?? If a B&M (brick and mortal) store makes a pricing error, it is forced to uphold it. Why shouldnt internet store adhere to the same business policy ? Oh an UBID already charged or place a hold on my credit card. Any class action for angry 934 buyers might do here ?? :) From cph Mon Apr 24 13:10:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15349 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:10:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17655; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:08:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17573; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17560; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:08:10 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA13744; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:08:09 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA26306; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:08:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000424100122.00b4cdc0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:03:50 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: PIII 733 mhz Cancelation In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:31 AM 04/24/2000 -0600, you wrote: >For those that ordered or won the bid for this item, there might be a very >big chance that this bid would be canceled. Just got an email form the >company telling that the bid was placed by mistake. I think it is just a >publicity stunt. 934 computers placed on bid, mistake ?? > >If a B&M (brick and mortal) store makes a pricing error, it is forced to >uphold it. Why shouldnt internet store adhere to the same business policy >? > >Oh an UBID already charged or place a hold on my credit card. Any class >action for angry 934 buyers might do here ?? :) Well, I have to admit that when everyone was saying, "Yeah, I got one too!" I was a little jealous, but the fact that I did *not* place a bid on it was my suspicion that something just smelled funny. And I've learned to trust my instincts. Bottom line: There are good deals and then there are impossible deals. *This* was an *impossible* deal and everyone should have known that. From cph Mon Apr 24 13:11:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15360 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:11:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17966; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:09:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17799; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17759; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (149.174.206.139 -> ds-img-6.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:09:15 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id NAA16319 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:08:57 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Mail list loyalty Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200004241309_MC2-A250-35D9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA15361 HI, Being a user of an older Tpad -755CX - I value contact with everyone here for all sorts of help/advice/trade. Although my model line is rarely discussed, I nonetheless expect to upgrade at some point and being able to have a handle on who is familiar with what is a great source of referrence. I recently enquired to the UK offers from IBM's On-line sale outfit and had an interesting conversation with the rep, who showed great interest in the existence of this list, so I gave him the contact details... I for one will keep coming here... Mark From cph Mon Apr 24 13:12:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15377 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:12:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17930; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:09:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17780; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17760; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (149.174.206.139 -> ds-img-6.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:09:15 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id NAA16317 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:08:55 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Upgrades701C - 755's see www.portables.com Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200004241309_MC2-A250-35D8@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA15378 ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- From: Mark Bell, INTERNET:bytehead@bellatlantic.net TO: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu", INTERNET:thinkpad@cs.utk.edu DATE: 24/04/2000 07:54 RE: Re: Large hard drive for a 701C At 11:37 PM 04/23/2000 -0400, Jonathan wrote: >On Sun, 23 Apr 2000, Lee Laniear wrote: >> >> I have a friend who is looking for a large (greater than 1 GB) hard >> drive for his 701C. Any suggestions as to sources? >> > >Hey there, > >Early last year I had my 701CS (486DX-75, 740 KB disk) upgraded to a >AMD K5-133 and a 2 GB disk. At the time, it cost about $400. > >It was done by Maximum Upgrades (http://www.maxup.com). > >I do not know if they are still in business, but I was inpressed with the >job they did (added another year of life to my computer - would've kept >it even longer if the $1100.00 close-out-priced Thinkpad 240 hadn't come >along). >Yep, they are still kickin' The upgrade is ~500.00, and it will upgrade >a large quantity of TPs (all the way up to 755's) with the K5133 and >2gb HD. Interested parties should check here: http://www.maxup.com/ibm.htm >to see if their unit is upgradable via them. If your TP is a 486 class >machine, it stands a good chance of being CPU and HD upgraded in >one quick job. >Mark ___________________________________________________________________________________ ... www.portables.com will even upgrade (overclock) the P75 equipped 755CX for $99.00 Sadly, I am UK and this makes it impossible for me to go for... Mark Gardiner UK From cph Mon Apr 24 13:19:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15414 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:19:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18853; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:16:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18754; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fafner.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18739; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:16:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fafner.Stanford.EDU (171.65.76.124 -> genome.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:16:09 -0400 Received: from fafner.Stanford.EDU (fafner.Stanford.EDU [172.21.1.12]) by fafner.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA13198; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:16:06 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:16:06 -0700 (PDT) From: John Olyarchuk X-Sender: jgo@fafner.Stanford.EDU Reply-To: John Olyarchuk To: Mark Bell cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Use informative subject lines!!! (was Re: Splitting the list) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000424024913.01415100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I agree and would add that the most important thing list members can do to improve signal/noise is to always use complete and informative subject lines. I cannot emphasize this enough!!!! For handling the large volume of messages, I would recommend either the digest format or using the header filter feature available in most mail applications. John -------------------------- John G. Olyarchuk, MD Chief Technology Officer Vertical Asia Holdings Ltd On Mon, 24 Apr 2000, Mark Bell wrote: > I think splitting off this list or creating sub lists > based upon Thinkpads is a bad idea. When a list > becomes so large that the traffic is huge and > noticable, it is then that patrons on the list > start to notice. I've seen buy/sell messages > sporatically and a small trickle of older > Thinkpad messages. Some days, the traffic > generated by this list is very small. Even on > ultra heavy days, it is well below 100 messages. > > I am comforted by the idea that there is one > well known, long running list that has maintained > a well kept air of decorum, respect and information > exchange with brief moments of light hearted humor > and camradere amongst its participants. > > Couple this established air along with average > traffic and a consolidated base and I think this > is a nice list that doesn't require other lists > to address similar topics which can and most likely > have been covered by this list in the past and will > probably will be addressed in the future as well. > > Mark > > > ------------------------------------------------ > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------ > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > ------------------------------------------------- > From cph Mon Apr 24 13:35:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15533 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:34:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20548; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:32:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20421; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:32:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from microvst.demon.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20397; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from microvst.demon.co.uk (158.152.56.133 -> microvst.demon.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:31:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:16:48 +0100 BST From: tgold@panix.com (Anthony R. Gold) Reply-To: tgold@panix.com Message-Id: <2001627@panix.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 100MB UltraslimBay Zip drives at Egghead now X-Mailer: PCElm 1.12 beta 3 Lines: 22 List-Unsubscribe: Egghead/Onsale is auctioning 20 of Zip 100 UltraslimBay drives. These are new but without documentation or saftware and should work with any 600 series computer. The current bid prices are $29 to $36. This is the original 100MB Zip drive and not the newer 250MB format. http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00049167/02805417.htm This auction set to finish in around one hour. I bought a couple of these the last time they were offered by Egghead and they work very well, like 100MB floppies. The media goes for around $7 to $10 per piece and Egghead sells the gig-a-pak 10 disk packs on their store (i.e. non auction) site below Iomega's list price. I paid $165.98 for two of the gig-a-packs including shipping. Regards, -- Tony - G3SKR / W2TG email: tgold@panix.com From cph Mon Apr 24 13:47:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15670 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:47:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21490; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:40:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21353; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21340; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:40:16 -0400 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA09744 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port22.magma.ca [209.217.123.22]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA18774 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004241740.NAA18774@mail3.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:39:12 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <2001627@panix.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 100MB UltraslimBay Zip drives at Egghead now List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:16:48 +0100 BST, Anthony R. Gold wrote: >Egghead/Onsale is auctioning 20 of Zip 100 UltraslimBay drives. > >These are new but without documentation or saftware and should work >with any 600 series computer. The current bid prices are $29 to $36. Thanks for posting! That's a great price. Unfortunately shipping is U$15 to the US, U$60 to Canada. I'll have to pass. andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Mon Apr 24 15:25:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16473 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:25:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29030; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:21:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28926; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28913; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.106 -> pilot006.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:21:20 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.68]) by pilot006.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA75154 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:21:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000424151922.00d8c8d0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:22:00 -0400 To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: TP 760E question In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000423075935.04ba8850@127.0.0.1> References: <4.3.1.0.20000423035746.00c85eb0@pilot.msu.edu> <3902A4F7.382F11BD@gate.net> <4.3.1.0.20000421192354.00d878f0@pilot.msu.edu> <3.0.6.32.20000421191647.0140a100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <2001605@panix.com> <4.3.1.0.20000421194902.00d83b10@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I have a sick TP 760e which really needs to get on the net to fix some problems. I have a Cardbus card made by xircom; will this work? I get the feeling, looking at this beast (its awfully close to my 700c in size) that this predates Cardbus by some time and I'll have to use a 16 bit card instead. If thats right, has anyone had experience with the Xircom 33.6K modem/ethernet card (CEM33?)? Thanks, STeve Andre' From cph Mon Apr 24 15:42:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16605 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:42:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00786; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:39:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00699; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00680; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.111 -> pilot011.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:39:26 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.68]) by pilot011.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA27132 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:39:22 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000424153709.00d8ab70@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:40:06 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TP 760E question In-Reply-To: <20000424193457.21985.qmail@web219.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I didn't mean to imply size made acceptance of CardBus or not, just that the 760 looks very much like my old 700C did, which indicated to me the age of this beast, likely predating Cardbus, but you said it does work. Huh. Well, I'm having a heck of a time getting the cardbus Xircom to work. Thanks for the info, STeve Andre' At 12:34 PM 4/24/00 -0700, Pencetera wrote: >The size of the machine indicates little, my 770 is >physically larger than most but handles cardbus >nicely, as does the 760e, it's what my 770 replaced. > >--- STeve Andre' wrote: > > I have a sick TP 760e which really needs to get on > > the net to fix some > > problems. > > I have a Cardbus card made by xircom; will this > > work? I get the feeling, > > looking > > at this beast (its awfully close to my 700c in size) > > that this predates > > Cardbus by > > some time and I'll have to use a 16 bit card > > instead. If thats right, has > > anyone had > > experience with the Xircom 33.6K modem/ethernet card > > (CEM33?)? > > > > Thanks, STeve Andre' > > > > > >===== >http://www.pencetera.com - Your Source For Inexpensive, High Quality >Writing Instruments > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com From cph Mon Apr 24 16:14:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA16880 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:14:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03392; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:13:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03307; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03291; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (216.70.64.26 -> mrs-2-fix.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:13:07 -0400 Received: from c454306b (1Cust218.tnt1.bellingham.wa.da.uu.net [63.28.105.218]) by mrs-2.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA21782; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:12:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <022601bfae29$66aa6b40$3c691c3f@c454306b> Reply-To: "peter machule" From: "peter machule" To: , "STeve Andre'" References: <4.3.1.0.20000423035746.00c85eb0@pilot.msu.edu><3902A4F7.382F11BD@gate.net><4.3.1.0.20000421192354.00d878f0@pilot.msu.edu><3.0.6.32.20000421191647.0140a100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net><2001605@panix.com><4.3.1.0.20000421194902.00d83b10@pilot.msu.edu> <4.3.1.0.20000424151922.00d8c8d0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: TP 760E question Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:12:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: CardBus works on the 760E . you must have Win 95b ie OSR2.x Or Win 98 /2000 Or a third party Card and Socket Services that handle CardBus. Didn't IBM ship a 3rd party C&SS in the earliest TP760E ?? There are addional problems with dual function cards . Again, most of those issues were addressed by OSR2 ,Win98 /2000 The CEM33 is CardBus ? Why ;-} i.e. 33k and 10Mb is easy for standard PCMCIA . Yeah, I'm getting of topic here ....... Good luck ..peter.. ----- Original Message ----- From: STeve Andre' To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 12:22 PM Subject: TP 760E question > I have a sick TP 760e which really needs to get on the net to fix some > problems. > I have a Cardbus card made by xircom; will this work? I get the feeling, > looking > at this beast (its awfully close to my 700c in size) that this predates > Cardbus by > some time and I'll have to use a 16 bit card instead. If thats right, has > anyone had > experience with the Xircom 33.6K modem/ethernet card (CEM33?)? > > Thanks, STeve Andre' > From cph Mon Apr 24 16:25:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17011 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:25:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04449; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:23:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04285; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04272; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:23:04 -0400 Received: from user-37ka7s2.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37ka7s2.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.31.130]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22658; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004242022.QAA22658@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "STeve Andre'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 05:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000424153709.00d8ab70@pilot.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 760E question List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:40:06 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >I didn't mean to imply size made acceptance of CardBus or not, just that >the 760 looks very much like my old 700C did, which indicated to me the >age of this beast, likely predating Cardbus, A trivia question for the qurus. When was the last year of the 760 series? That would have been the 760XD, I think about 1997 or 1998? From cph Mon Apr 24 16:55:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17251 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:55:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07225; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:52:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07125; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07099; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:52:42 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JOMBG6XPWG8WZ5N9@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:54:50 CST Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:54:47 -0600 (CST) From: Jon To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: FREE Subscription to Jave Development Journal for you bean heads out there :) http://www.sys-con.com/jdjrequal.html June 27 -29 NYC IT/PC EXPO goto www.pcexpo.com click through the registration links, use source code DMPB For those that are going GET ME SOME FREE T SHIRTS PLEASE :) ----------------------------------------------- Again, I dont benefit 1 cent from this. If this is troubling the list please let me know and i will stop. if only i have enough $$ to start a web server ;) From cph Mon Apr 24 16:57:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17270 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:57:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07432; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:53:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07323; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web209.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07307; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web209.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.109 -> web209.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 16:53:34 -0400 Received: (qmail 9974 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Apr 2000 20:53:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000424205332.9973.qmail@web209.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.88.232.67] by web209.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:53:32 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:53:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Pencetera Reply-To: pencetera@yahoo.com Subject: Re: TP 760E question To: "STeve Andre'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Steve, I simply meant that size does not indicate cardbus compatibility (or not) and used my 770 as an example. As for your current situation, you need the most current version of win95 or, preferably, win98 to assure cardbus compatability. The SVGA model was withdrawn in Jan 1997, the XGA version in October 1997. Cheers, Mike B. --- STeve Andre' wrote: > I didn't mean to imply size made acceptance of > CardBus or not, just that > the 760 looks very much like my old 700C did, which > indicated to me the > age of this beast, likely predating Cardbus, but you > said it does work. Huh. > Well, I'm having a heck of a time getting the > cardbus Xircom to work. Thanks > for the info, STeve Andre' > > At 12:34 PM 4/24/00 -0700, Pencetera wrote: > >The size of the machine indicates little, my 770 is > >physically larger than most but handles cardbus > >nicely, as does the 760e, it's what my 770 > replaced. > > > >--- STeve Andre' wrote: > > > I have a sick TP 760e which really needs to get > on > > > the net to fix some > > > problems. > > > I have a Cardbus card made by xircom; will this > > > work? I get the feeling, > > > looking > > > at this beast (its awfully close to my 700c in > size) > > > that this predates > > > Cardbus by > > > some time and I'll have to use a 16 bit card > > > instead. If thats right, has > > > anyone had > > > experience with the Xircom 33.6K modem/ethernet > card > > > (CEM33?)? > > > > > > Thanks, STeve Andre' > > > > > > > > > >===== > >http://www.pencetera.com - Your Source For > Inexpensive, High Quality > >Writing Instruments > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. > >http://invites.yahoo.com > > ===== http://www.pencetera.com - Your Source For Inexpensive, High Quality Writing Instruments __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! 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Sorry for the delay. -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Mon Apr 24 18:50:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18498 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:50:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16533; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:48:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16382; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16369; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:47:58 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax43.vramp.net [198.138.8.106]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09899; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:43:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "STeve Andre'" , Subject: RE: TP 760E question Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:48:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <4.3.1.0.20000424151922.00d8c8d0@pilot.msu.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Steve, Go here: http://www.xircom.com/dl/detail/0,1306,1_84Z1_20-20Z,00.html for all the info you want on your CEM33 card. I used to have several of these and they worked just fine in my 760XL, 755CD and 755Cs. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] > Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 2:22 PM > To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: TP 760E question > > > I have a sick TP 760e which really needs to get on the net to fix some > problems. > I have a Cardbus card made by xircom; will this work? I get the feeling, > looking > at this beast (its awfully close to my 700c in size) that this predates > Cardbus by > some time and I'll have to use a 16 bit card instead. If thats right, has > anyone had > experience with the Xircom 33.6K modem/ethernet card (CEM33?)? > > Thanks, STeve Andre' > From cph Mon Apr 24 18:58:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18571 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:58:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17221; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:56:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16989; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:56:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16970; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:55:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:55:59 -0400 Received: from 216-164-137-144.s398.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.137.144] helo=desktop) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12jrkv-00041g-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:55:06 -0400 Message-ID: <003601bfae40$4994ed20$0101a8c0@desktop> From: "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" To: References: <20000424124034.3658.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Piii 700mhz Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 18:56:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Selling my 560 on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=31640 4648 Don't need it anymore, since my $800 PIII-366 is *sure* to arrive from Canada real soon now. ;-) Donald --- Donald M. 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From cph Mon Apr 24 20:20:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA19323 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:20:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24554; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:15:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:13:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24389; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24376; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.101 -> pilot001.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:13:26 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm457-00.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.106]) by pilot001.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA43328 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:13:25 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000424201134.00d65e70@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:14:06 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: first $10,000,000 on ebay In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: This *really* doesn't belong on the list. ...Perhaps we can all agree to keep our off-topic entries to something computer related? ;-) --STeve Andre' At 06:42 PM 4/24/00 -0600, Jon wrote: >http://www.whattheheck.com/ebay/iconclast.html > >there are 9 more days till the bid is over. From cph Mon Apr 24 21:01:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA19619 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:01:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27292; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:57:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27045; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web123.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27030; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web123.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.191 -> web123.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:57:22 -0400 Received: (qmail 13716 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Apr 2000 00:57:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000425005707.13715.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.112.59] by web123.yahoomail.com; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:57:07 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 17:57:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: first $10,000,000 on ebay To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Jon, Are you one of the bidders? You have a better chance here than you did of getting a $103 P-III computer! :-) --- Jon wrote: > http://www.whattheheck.com/ebay/iconclast.html > > there are 9 more days till the bid is over. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! 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So, either send a message as follows: TO: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu SUBJECT: unsubscribe or click on the link below: List-Unsubscribe: ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:46:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02745; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:44:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02454; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02441; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from f04n07.cac.psu.edu (128.118.141.35 -> f04s07.cac.psu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:44:16 -0400 Received: from dell-xps-t500 (access-isdn2-42.hbg.psu.edu [146.186.228.219]) by f04n07.cac.psu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA234948 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:44:13 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000424223454.00aa3860@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rfm/mail.psu.edu@127.0.0.1 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 22:40:56 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bob Munzenrider Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Mon, 24 Apr 2000 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Maximin Upgrades ("Douglas Hirsch, Maximum Upgrades" sells 4 and 6 Gig hard drives that will work in a 701. They souped up my 701 back last December, including an AMD 133 MHZ CPU, and it's still running strong. Sure wish I could stuff more than 40 megs of RAM in it, tho! Bob Munzenrider Penn State Harrisburg >Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 13:58:04 -0700 >From: "Lee Laniear" >Reply-To: "Lee Laniear" >To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" >Subject: Large hard drive for a 701C >Message-Id: <200004232058.QAA18525@cs.utk.edu> > >I have a friend who is looking for a large (greater than 1 GB) hard drive >for his 701C. Any >suggestions as to sources? > >Thanks in advance. > >Lee From cph Tue Apr 25 02:47:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA21622 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:47:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11666; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:40:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11440; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11427; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:40:35 -0400 Received: from whistler.az.com (ip-216.145.8.254.az.com [216.145.8.254]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA16831 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:41:12 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Received: from Buck ([10.66.47.31]) by whistler.az.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA12577 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 23:43:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <200004250643.XAA12577@whistler.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Mon, 24 Apr 00 23:53:20 -0800 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: List for OLD Thinkpads?? List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:03:24 -0400, Stan Jacobs wrote: >Just keep the list like it is. Even some of the OS wars stuff is interesting. And if it isn't your interest, the delete button is >just a click away. I would rather delete a bunch of stuff each time than to have to belong to three or four list to keep up >with stuff. I've been following this thread for a while and I think I'll add my $0.02 worth in. I've never had problems with getting information on my old TP (ok agingly old. It's still a P-133). Like others have stated, the newer TP discussions have given me ideas on how to troubleshoot my TP. It also has given me ideas on what TP I'll buy next when Twiki gasps for it's final electronic breath. OS wars...As long as it doesn't force anyone off the list, I will remain a sideliner. Filters! I love my filters. I can't live without them. I have my TP folder divided. Anything that is 365 series gets placed in my personal in box. Then I have a set of filters that looks for 600 series, 700 series and such and tries to divide them into seperate subfolders. Some times a message or two gets pass, but generally it works nicely. Again, just my thoughts on the matter... Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Tue Apr 25 02:52:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA21637 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:52:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11953; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:52:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11856; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11843; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 02:52:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA12636 for ; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:52:38 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 20:52:38 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Greetings everyone, Last night, I was defragmenting the 14 GIG HDD on the 770Z 9549-8AU using Norton Utilities Speedisk 2000 when it was 98% done, the machine just froze so I turned it off. Upon turning it back on, I get a error code 174 which means that something didn't past POST so I went into the diagnostics and the only thing that failed is the HDD since it says Dev 017 Error Code 01 FRU 6010 which means either the HDD or System Board is dead. So I did the advanced diagnostics and it seems like the controller on the HDD fails. So I took the HDD and connected it to a 2.5" to desktop adapter and it says Primary HDD failure. Any suggestions on what I can do since I didn't back up any of the data and really need the data recovered. Got any places you would recommend? Thanks. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Tue Apr 25 03:14:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA21692 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:14:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12738; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:11:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12666; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12653; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:11:25 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-191.gate.net [199.227.20.254]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA55416; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:11:14 -0400 Message-ID: <39054428.9D8CAE8B@gate.net> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:07:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ohhh, S#$@%^..!!! uhh.. do a search on the web.. i did some business with a data recovery guy in connecticut last year.. sold him a hard to find HDD for parts.. but first, get drive fitness test from the IBM travelstar web site and run it with that HDD in the machine.. then go the data recovery route.. Vincent Poy wrote: > Greetings everyone, > > Last night, I was defragmenting the 14 GIG HDD on the 770Z > 9549-8AU using Norton Utilities Speedisk 2000 when it was 98% done, the > machine just froze so I turned it off. Upon turning it back on, I get a > error code 174 which means that something didn't past POST so I went into > the diagnostics and the only thing that failed is the HDD since it says > Dev 017 Error Code 01 FRU 6010 which means either the HDD or System Board > is dead. So I did the advanced diagnostics and it seems like the > controller on the HDD fails. So I took the HDD and connected it to a 2.5" > to desktop adapter and it says Primary HDD failure. Any suggestions on > what I can do since I didn't back up any of the data and really need the > data recovered. Got any places you would recommend? Thanks. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Apr 25 03:28:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA21712 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:28:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14022; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:27:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:27:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13941; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13926; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 03:27:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13155; Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:27:43 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 21:27:43 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? In-Reply-To: <39054428.9D8CAE8B@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > Ohhh, S#$@%^..!!! > uhh.. > do a search on the web.. > i did some business with a data recovery guy in connecticut last year.. > sold him a hard to find HDD for parts.. I did but it seems like I don't know which ones are good and do it for a fair price since it seems like everyone is saying they are better than the rest and I don't know how much it'll cost or who to use that won't void the warranty. > but first, get drive fitness test from the IBM travelstar web site and > run it with that HDD in the machine.. then go the data recovery > route.. I tried DFT but it seems like since the machine didn't like autodetect the drive because it failed POST, DFT doesn't see anything in the machine except the DVD Drive. When I hooked it to the desktop, in Award Bios, it says Primary HDD failed during the autodetect and DFT didn't see it either. Kinda weird that I only learned to use DFT a few days ago on my DeskStar 34 gig drive, it had a few bad sectors but DFT said Defective Device. Excessive Shock so IBM is shipping me a advanced replacement. I wonder is there anyway to get a advance replacement of the TP Drive though. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > Greetings everyone, > > > > Last night, I was defragmenting the 14 GIG HDD on the 770Z > > 9549-8AU using Norton Utilities Speedisk 2000 when it was 98% done, the > > machine just froze so I turned it off. Upon turning it back on, I get a > > error code 174 which means that something didn't past POST so I went into > > the diagnostics and the only thing that failed is the HDD since it says > > Dev 017 Error Code 01 FRU 6010 which means either the HDD or System Board > > is dead. So I did the advanced diagnostics and it seems like the > > controller on the HDD fails. So I took the HDD and connected it to a 2.5" > > to desktop adapter and it says Primary HDD failure. Any suggestions on > > what I can do since I didn't back up any of the data and really need the > > data recovered. Got any places you would recommend? Thanks. > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > From cph Tue Apr 25 08:57:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA23126 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:57:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01148; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:56:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01041; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01028; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:56:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA23934; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:55:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 08:55:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Geoff Waters cc: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Unsubscribing In-Reply-To: <20000424230928.98359.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 Apr 2000, Geoff Waters wrote: > Please remind me how to withdraw from this list. > In order to List-Unsubscribe: mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Have a nice day, Bruce Komar From cph Tue Apr 25 10:31:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA23761 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:31:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09228; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:30:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09080; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09058; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:29:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (204.181.58.65 -> p204.181.58.65.syspac.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:29:56 -0400 Received: (from jones@localhost) by box3.pyrrhusoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id HAA06834; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:28:39 -0700 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:28:39 -0700 Message-Id: <200004251428.HAA06834@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> From: David Jones To: vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? List-Unsubscribe: My commiserations; I had a hard drive crash in my desktop last year. In my case the situation was more straightforward. I could tell what was wrong. The drive would not spin up to the correct speed in the allotted time. In other words the problem was mechanical (probably the bearing going). This also made the solution obvious. The data recovery people would, in a clean room, disassemble my drive, removing the platters, and reassemble them in a new casing with a new motor. It is also expensive, starting off around $900. Your situation may be completely different. It is odd that it happened during the defragmenting process and, close to the finish. What, by the way, does IBM recommend, apart from the drive fitness test? Best of luck, David Jones From cph Tue Apr 25 10:45:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA23866 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:45:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10456; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:44:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10383; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10366; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (129.97.140.200 -> plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:44:36 -0400 Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (migod@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA28314 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004251444.KAA28314@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: "thinkpad" X-url: http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/ X-image-url: http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/migod.jpg Subject: 600 fraud in Thornhill Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 10:44:35 -0400 From: "Michael W. Godfrey" List-Unsubscribe: Some background from a local. I grew up in the adjacent town of Unionville. Thornhill is just north of the city of Toronto. There is a lot of tech there, large and small (including ATI world headquarters), lots of low-rise tech shops like you see in Silicon Valley. I was just visiting Sun Microsystems Canada there yesterday. Steeles is the northern boundary of Toronto proper, so this place is just on the the other side of the street. The local police is York Regional Police, tho I would also try contacting the RCMP as they are concerned about fraud. There has been a large increase in cross-border fraud in recent years, as it is that much harder prosecute when you have to cross the border (this principle works in both directions, and we are always warned about ordering >from US companies unless you know they have a good reputation). There have been a lot of phone scams (of US residents) based in Canada too. That's where the money is, as they say (the populace is 10 times bigger, plus it has a deeply instilled desire to "win"). -- Mike From cph Tue Apr 25 11:12:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA24017 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:12:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13274; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:10:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13188; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13173; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:10:17 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA01559; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:10:16 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA07211; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000425074554.00b5acf0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 07:47:49 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? In-Reply-To: References: <39054428.9D8CAE8B@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: If you're just trying to get the data off the drive, I had some good results with a $50-ish product from Powerquest called "Lost & Found". It does a good job of scrubbing a disk and getting the data out of it, provided that the disk is still spinning. Saved a good portion of data that I'd have rather not lost last year on a desktop SCSI drive. From cph Tue Apr 25 11:43:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA24305 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:43:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15896; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:42:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15741; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15719; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:42:01 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax45.vramp.net [198.138.8.108]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA55253; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:41:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Subject: RE: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 11:45:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <4.2.0.58.20000425074554.00b5acf0@pop3.iceka1.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: I've had good results with Lost & Found also Randy, but IIRC the drive has to be recognized by the BIOS which appears to not be the case here. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 9:48 AM > To: TP List > Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? > > > If you're just trying to get the data off the drive, I had some good > results with a $50-ish product from Powerquest called "Lost & Found". It > does a good job of scrubbing a disk and getting the data out of it, > provided that the disk is still spinning. > > Saved a good portion of data that I'd have rather not lost last year on a > desktop SCSI drive. > From cph Tue Apr 25 13:42:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA25068 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:42:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25329; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:40:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25170; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaad.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25156; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaad.compuserve.com (149.174.177.149 -> hs-img-4.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:40:04 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaad.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id NAA09620 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:38:54 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: PCMCIA Flash card help...? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200004251339_MC2-A283-FFDC@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA25069 I recently purchased a 10Mb 3SDP3B Sandisk FLASH memory card (essentially an OEM - HP badged) and have had a lot of trouble getting it to work correctly under W95v2b on a Thinkpad 755Cx and a Sharp PC3100 XT palmtop device. Now, I have been the happy useer of their SDP5A 10Mb Flash card for 4 years and have no trouble with it with either device and nor any problems swapping in and out with data transfers. BUT, this SDP3A *compatible* card will not function at all... NOW!! Initally, it showed up in W95 drives list on the Tpad and was able to be formatted and read/write data, but it will not function in the Sharp PC3100 device. I have the special DIPSSDP.SYS dirve for the card on the Sharp and both the SDISK.exe and SFormat.exe utils but it just throws up a General Device Error. BUT, pressing A or R (Abort or Retry) will see it listed in the drives list and small .txt files will read/write to it (.exe files will not execute on coppying however). The files will not transfer to the Thinkpad though, and on the last attempt, the drive letter did not reappear under the W95 drives list although W95 sets the Sandisk ATA driver on insertion??... Of course, the other card works immediately..! The PC3100 bios cannot format it either returning format error?? >From reading Sandisk''s technical notes, I wonder if the card has inadvertently become reconfigured from true IDE mode to ATA?? If so, I am unclear how to quote 'Power Cycle'it back (Ref:TRG.pdf and R5_3B.pdf) and there is mention of 'Revitalising' the card?? Does anyone know of any utilities for this process?? As I say, I am confident that my Card and Socket .sys files are in order as the SDP5A is working perfectly under the same systems. I would at least like to get it functioning under W95 otherwise it is useless for any purpose... Many thanks anyone, Mark Gardiner UK From cph Tue Apr 25 15:02:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA26046 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:02:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03894; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:00:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03655; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03642; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:00:29 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA06529; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:00:05 -0700 Message-ID: <002601bfaeea$837dc020$03785a8e@pmachule> From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: References: Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 12:14:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Yes they have done so for me . I did take a second phone call but we had it in a ~day . >I wonder is there anyway to get a advance replacement of the >TP Drive though. Have you tested this adapter with a 1GB plus HD? We had some adapters that were fine with 170Mb ,340MB etc. but when we stuck a bigger HD on them, they would not work. >>So I took the HDD and connected it to a 2.5" > > desktop adapter and it says Primary HDD failure. ..peter GOOD LUCK ! From cph Tue Apr 25 15:24:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA26404 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:24:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05611; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:23:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05524; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05509; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:23:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23527; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:23:27 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:23:27 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: David Jones cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? In-Reply-To: <200004251428.HAA06834@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, David Jones wrote: > My commiserations; I had a hard drive crash in my desktop last year. > In my case the situation was more straightforward. I could tell what > was wrong. The drive would not spin up to the correct speed in the > allotted time. In other words the problem was mechanical (probably > the bearing going). This also made the solution obvious. The data > recovery people would, in a clean room, disassemble my drive, removing > the platters, and reassemble them in a new casing with a new motor. > It is also expensive, starting off around $900. Interesting. How big was the drive though since it seems like the larger the capacity, the more it would cost. > Your situation may be completely different. It is odd that it > happened during the defragmenting process and, close to the finish. > What, by the way, does IBM recommend, apart from the drive fitness > test? Send the entire ThinkPad to EZ-Serve since the system board or other things may be bad but they will not do data recovery. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Tue Apr 25 15:28:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA26428 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:28:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06217; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:27:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06118; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06105; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:27:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23616; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:27:14 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:27:14 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000425074554.00b5acf0@pop3.iceka1.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > If you're just trying to get the data off the drive, I had some good > results with a $50-ish product from Powerquest called "Lost & Found". It > does a good job of scrubbing a disk and getting the data out of it, > provided that the disk is still spinning. > > Saved a good portion of data that I'd have rather not lost last year on a > desktop SCSI drive. I have Lost & Found but I doubt it'll work since I think any of the bootable utilities will only work if the BIOS sees the drive but in all cases, the BIOS will report the HDD failed and even IBM's Drive Fitness Test would not see the drive. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Tue Apr 25 15:36:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA26484 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:36:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07355; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:34:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07266; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07252; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:34:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA23824; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:34:21 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:34:21 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: "James H. E. Maugham" cc: Randal Whittle , TP List , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, James H. E. Maugham wrote: > I've had good results with Lost & Found also Randy, but IIRC the drive has to be > recognized by the BIOS which appears to not be the case here. Actually, I think that's the case with all utilities. The drive has to be recognized and detected by the bios. It seems like with my case, the bios sees the drive and tries to talk to it and then it responds and then fails. On a Desktop, I had everything set on autodetect and it says None for Primary Master. I don't even have a slave drive. And I tried manually entering the parameters for the drive and it seems to only show 8 gigs in the BIOS since that's what 16383 Cylinders/15 hds/63 sectors per track translates to. So maybe I had the parameters wrong? Since my DeskStar 34GXP is hooked up on the 3 IDE UDMA66 controller. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 9:48 AM > > To: TP List > > Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? > > > > > > If you're just trying to get the data off the drive, I had some good > > results with a $50-ish product from Powerquest called "Lost & Found". It > > does a good job of scrubbing a disk and getting the data out of it, > > provided that the disk is still spinning. > > > > Saved a good portion of data that I'd have rather not lost last year on a > > desktop SCSI drive. > > > > From cph Tue Apr 25 15:54:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA26645 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:54:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09166; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:53:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09079; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09064; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:53:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:53:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA24241; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:53:51 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 09:53:51 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? In-Reply-To: <002601bfaeea$837dc020$03785a8e@pmachule> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > Yes they have done so for me . > I did take a second phone call but we had it in a ~day . I asked and they kept telling me to take the entire machine to a servicer or EZ-Serve since it can be something else that failed and not the HD. > >I wonder is there anyway to get a advance replacement of the > >TP Drive though. > > Have you tested this adapter with a 1GB plus HD? > We had some adapters that were fine with 170Mb ,340MB etc. but when we > stuck a > bigger HD on them, they would not work. Nope, since the only 2.5" HDD I have is the 14 gig travelstar that comes with my 770Z. And I'm not sure if the Award BIOS is supposed to autodetect this drive or not but autodetect shows none while I tried using the 16383cyl/15 hds/63 sec in user define which translates to 8 gigs and the primary drive still fails. I wonder what the correct settings for LBA is supposed to be. > >>So I took the HDD and connected it to a 2.5" > > > desktop adapter and it says Primary HDD failure. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Tue Apr 25 16:22:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA26855 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:22:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11459; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:21:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:21:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11310; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11297; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:21:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:21:15 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA08843; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:21:09 -0700 Message-ID: <009601bfaef5$d74e0ba0$03785a8e@pmachule> From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: References: Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 13:35:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Yeah, they do want the whole thing. In my case , they know me ;-} And I had a drive from a similar machine that did not have the problem. So it was not a big deal to send me an Advanced Replacement Drive . Entering parameters only works up to 8GB as you found . Beyond that, it's INT13 time which seems to only work with the newer ~2years ) Bios and only when they are in Auto mode . ..peter.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vincent Poy" To: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 12:53 PM Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? > On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > > > Yes they have done so for me . > > I did take a second phone call but we had it in a ~day . > > I asked and they kept telling me to take the entire machine to a > servicer or EZ-Serve since it can be something else that failed and not > the HD. > > > >I wonder is there anyway to get a advance replacement of the > > >TP Drive though. > > > > Have you tested this adapter with a 1GB plus HD? > > We had some adapters that were fine with 170Mb ,340MB etc. but when we > > stuck a > > bigger HD on them, they would not work. > > Nope, since the only 2.5" HDD I have is the 14 gig travelstar that > comes with my 770Z. And I'm not sure if the Award BIOS is supposed to > autodetect this drive or not but autodetect shows none while I tried using > the 16383cyl/15 hds/63 sec in user define which translates to 8 gigs and > the primary drive still fails. I wonder what the correct settings for LBA > is supposed to be. > > > >>So I took the HDD and connected it to a 2.5" > > > > desktop adapter and it says Primary HDD failure. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > From cph Tue Apr 25 16:27:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA26898 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:27:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11937; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:25:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11843; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inwave.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11813; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inwave.com (206.101.238.8 -> iria.inwave.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:25:46 -0400 Received: from ibmbna1362 [206.190.10.171] by inwave.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id AFEA1F9B018E; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:28:26 -0500 Message-ID: <001601bfaef4$99ec0ba0$ab0abece@ibmbna1362> Reply-To: "Carol Pease" From: "Carol Pease" To: Subject: WTB Thinkpad 770Z Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 15:26:54 -0500 Organization: Whitehead, Inc. 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In-Reply-To: <009601bfaef5$d74e0ba0$03785a8e@pmachule> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > Yeah, they do want the whole thing. > In my case , they know me ;-} Heh, just as I suspected. ;-) > And I had a drive from a similar machine that did not have the problem. > So it was not a big deal to send me an Advanced Replacement Drive . Ah, okay. I'm just wondering why it is so difficult to get a Advanced Replacement since it seems easy on the DeskStar drives. I would rather lose a week of time than lose all the data. > Entering parameters only works up to 8GB as you found . > Beyond that, it's INT13 time which seems to only work with the newer > ~2years ) > Bios and only when they are in Auto mode . Really? It seems like with other drives, in the BIOS, you can enter the parameters and then put it in either CHS mode or LBA Mode and it would show the total capacity. I'm still wondering if the converter is the problem since atleast on the ThinkPad, the Advanced Diagnostics just can't get past the controller when testing HDD-1. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Vincent Poy" > To: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 12:53 PM > Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? > > > > On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > > > > > Yes they have done so for me . > > > I did take a second phone call but we had it in a ~day . > > > > I asked and they kept telling me to take the entire machine to a > > servicer or EZ-Serve since it can be something else that failed and not > > the HD. > > > > > >I wonder is there anyway to get a advance replacement of the > > > >TP Drive though. > > > > > > Have you tested this adapter with a 1GB plus HD? > > > We had some adapters that were fine with 170Mb ,340MB etc. but when we > > > stuck a > > > bigger HD on them, they would not work. > > > > Nope, since the only 2.5" HDD I have is the 14 gig travelstar that > > comes with my 770Z. And I'm not sure if the Award BIOS is supposed to > > autodetect this drive or not but autodetect shows none while I tried using > > the 16383cyl/15 hds/63 sec in user define which translates to 8 gigs and > > the primary drive still fails. I wonder what the correct settings for LBA > > is supposed to be. > > > > > >>So I took the HDD and connected it to a 2.5" > > > > > desktop adapter and it says Primary HDD failure. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | > __] ] > > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > > > > From cph Tue Apr 25 21:58:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA30663 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:58:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02914; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:52:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02772; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:52:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02755; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:52:52 -0400 Received: from Hades ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA02251 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: Subject: RE: What is the "pink screen" problem? Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:52:47 -0500 Message-ID: <003401bfaf2a$81c4aa60$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <39019F99.14944.4730B8D@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Tom, I've found no correlation's, which really ticks me off. The worst computer problems are the ones you can't reproduce. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Trottier [mailto:TomATrottier@home.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 10:48 AM > To: Mark Lemon > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: What is the "pink screen" problem? > > > Hi Mark, > > Is there any correlation with low temps? Could be electrical, or LCD > related. > > Tom > > At 2000 April 8 - Saturday 13:43, Mark Lemon > spoke about *RE: What is the "pink screen" probl...* saying > > > on my TP600, about one out of 3 times I start the box all > > the white letters have a pink/static/halo effect. The MS > > Windows logo looks like a tie-dyed tee shirt, and the main > > screens icon fonts are streaked with the pink static so as > > to be unreadable. When I start MSWord, the white sheet of > > paper is pink. > > > > Sometimes the DOS text starts pink, but the problem "cures" > > itself when the LCD jumps to graphics mode. Moving the > > screen back and forth (assuming it is a bad ribbon cable) > > appears to have no effect (I'm gentle). Only a cold boot. > > > > My frustration is sometimes it will happen over and over, > > whilst other times it will go for a couple days without > > problem. Fortunately, I almost exclusively use a docking > > station, so my normal monitor & working is unaffected. > > > ... > ------------------------- > Tom Trottier, Abacurial IT Consulting ICQ: 57647974 > 400 Slater St.Suite 415, Ottawa Ontario Canada K1R 7S7 > __o > _ \< +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 > (+)/'(+) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at > http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera > From cph Tue Apr 25 22:10:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA30762 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:10:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03633; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:08:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03544; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:08:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0i.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03525; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0i.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.38 -> www0i.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:08:23 -0400 Received: (qmail 8259 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Apr 2000 02:08:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000426020818.8258.qmail@www0i.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.38 by www0i for [24.25.116.183] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Wed Apr 26 02:08:18 GMT 2000 Date: 25 Apr 00 21:08:18 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: What is the pink screen problem? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA30763 I have a co-worker with a 600E that has a pink screen every time she opens the lid. The longer the lid is closed the more pink the screen is and the longer it takes to go away. Normally, after .5 - 1 hour closed it takes about 30 sec to 1 min to go away. She hasn't had the ability to part with the laptop long enough to send it back to IBM yet. Rob "Mark Lemon" wrote: > Tom, > > I've found no correlation's, which really ticks me off. > The worst computer problems are the ones you can't > reproduce. > > Mark ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Tue Apr 25 22:13:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA30788 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:13:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03962; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:12:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03876; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:12:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03862; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:12:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA31807; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:12:09 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:12:08 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? In-Reply-To: <002601bfaeea$837dc020$03785a8e@pmachule> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > Have you tested this adapter with a 1GB plus HD? > We had some adapters that were fine with 170Mb ,340MB etc. but when we > stuck a > bigger HD on them, they would not work. I dropped my drive off at a local Data Recovery Shop - Lazarus that has been advertising in Ziff-Davis magazines PC Magazine/Computer Shopper for atleast 10 years for a free diagnosis since they can tell me if the drive works or not. As for the 2.5" to Desktop HDD adapter, I thought all the adapters did was map the 3.5" IDE and power cable to 2.5" so is there really a difference in adapters since I thought they were all connected identically with the same pins. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Tue Apr 25 22:44:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA30977 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:44:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05863; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:43:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05777; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05762; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:43:00 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial17.auto-net.com [208.154.252.66]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA24121; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:27:45 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <3906733C.50328ED0@iso.net> Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:40:29 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Vincent Poy CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: See for the pinouts Bill Vincent Poy wrote: > On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > > > Have you tested this adapter with a 1GB plus HD? > > We had some adapters that were fine with 170Mb ,340MB etc. but when we > > stuck a > > bigger HD on them, they would not work. > > I dropped my drive off at a local Data Recovery Shop - Lazarus > that has been advertising in Ziff-Davis magazines PC Magazine/Computer > Shopper for atleast 10 years for a free diagnosis since they can tell me > if the drive works or not. As for the 2.5" to Desktop HDD adapter, I > thought all the adapters did was map the 3.5" IDE and power cable to > 2.5" so is there really a difference in adapters since I thought they were > all connected identically with the same pins. > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Tue Apr 25 22:54:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA31024 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:54:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06520; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:52:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06439; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06414; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:52:14 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([32.101.173.127]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000042602515425200c4qf2e>; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:51:54 +0000 From: "David Lee" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: What is the pink screen problem? Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:51:14 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20000426020818.8258.qmail@www0i.netaddress.usa.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: My 600x recently turned dark pink for a while, then when I was about to call IBM for service, the screen is now a very light pink. I have a feeling that if I send it in for repair in this condition it will probably be sent back without any repair work done. I was hoping that it would happen again and stay dark pink.. but no luck! I'm planning to send it in only if the problem is very obvious since EasyServ's favorite response seems to be, we can't find anything wrong with the LCD. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bell [mailto:rbell1@netscape.net] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 10:08 PM To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: What is the pink screen problem? I have a co-worker with a 600E that has a pink screen every time she opens the lid. The longer the lid is closed the more pink the screen is and the longer it takes to go away. Normally, after .5 - 1 hour closed it takes about 30 sec to 1 min to go away. She hasn't had the ability to part with the laptop long enough to send it back to IBM yet. Rob "Mark Lemon" wrote: > Tom, > > I've found no correlation's, which really ticks me off. > The worst computer problems are the ones you can't > reproduce. > > Mark ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Tue Apr 25 22:54:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA31028 for ; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:54:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06653; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:53:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:53:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06562; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:53:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06532; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Apr 2000 22:53:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA32762; Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:53:03 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 16:53:03 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: William Van Tuyl cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad Hard Drive Crash - Recovery Options? In-Reply-To: <3906733C.50328ED0@iso.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, William Van Tuyl wrote: Thanks for the information Bill. On mines, it seems like there are all 40 pins from the IDE connected and then 2 pins from the 4 pin power connected to the 44 pin connector so 2 pins are not connected. It's on a circuit board so I don't know how the PCB traces. What I'm trying to figure out is that Peter mentioned that some adapters don't work with drives over a certain capacity, is there a reason for this if the pinouts are connected exactly the same? Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > See for the pinouts > > Vincent Poy wrote: > > > On Tue, 25 Apr 2000, peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > > > > > Have you tested this adapter with a 1GB plus HD? > > > We had some adapters that were fine with 170Mb ,340MB etc. but when we > > > stuck a > > > bigger HD on them, they would not work. > > > > I dropped my drive off at a local Data Recovery Shop - Lazarus > > that has been advertising in Ziff-Davis magazines PC Magazine/Computer > > Shopper for atleast 10 years for a free diagnosis since they can tell me > > if the drive works or not. As for the 2.5" to Desktop HDD adapter, I > > thought all the adapters did was map the 3.5" IDE and power cable to > > 2.5" so is there really a difference in adapters since I thought they were > > all connected identically with the same pins. From cph Wed Apr 26 02:11:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA32260 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:11:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14680; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:09:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14585; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14571; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.105 -> pilot005.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:09:54 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm456-19.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.77]) by pilot005.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA32160 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:09:50 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000426020721.00d37aa0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 02:10:46 -0400 To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: What is the pink screen problem? In-Reply-To: References: <20000426020818.8258.qmail@www0i.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: David, if your screen is at all pink, you ought to call IBM about it. When I called them about this problem on my 1451i, they took it with no complaints and I now have a new screen, which is "different"--it seems bluer, if that makes sense, perhaps because it was too red before? At any rate, IBM or the TFT screen manufacturer has some sort of a problem here and it feels like IBM knows about it. If you call them about this I'll bet you won't get hassles for it. --STeve Andre' At 10:51 PM 4/25/00 -0400, David Lee wrote: >My 600x recently turned dark pink for a while, then when I was about to call >IBM for service, the screen is now a very light pink. I have a feeling that >if I send it in for repair in this condition it will probably be sent back >without any repair work done. I was hoping that it would happen again and >stay dark pink.. but no luck! I'm planning to send it in only if the problem >is very obvious since EasyServ's favorite response seems to be, we can't >find anything wrong with the LCD. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Rob Bell [mailto:rbell1@netscape.net] >Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 10:08 PM >To: ThinkPad Mailing List >Subject: Re: What is the pink screen problem? > >I have a co-worker with a 600E that has a pink screen every time she opens >the >lid. The longer the lid is closed the more pink the screen is and the >longer >it takes to go away. Normally, after .5 - 1 hour closed it takes about 30 >sec >to 1 min to go away. She hasn't had the ability to part with the laptop >long >enough to send it back to IBM yet. > >Rob > >"Mark Lemon" wrote: > > Tom, > > > > I've found no correlation's, which really ticks me off. > > The worst computer problems are the ones you can't > > reproduce. > > > > Mark From cph Wed Apr 26 10:19:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA02695 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:19:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10317; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:19:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:16:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10089; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10068; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 10:16:48 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (sehh@athe530-r173.otenet.gr [212.205.255.173]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA02280 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:16:25 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004261416.RAA02280@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 17:16:21 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200004221337_MC2-A22C-431A@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: $$ Refund from Microsoft !! List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id KAA10317 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA02696 On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 13:37:04 -0400, Mark Gardiner wrote: >Following recent threads on the idea of spending YOUR personal money on a >Windows OS... don't forget that if you purchase a new PC with Win x OEM >preinstalled, you can apply to MS for a refund as long as you don't boot >the machine from MS software in any way! when i got my TP600E i opened the box, got the WindozeNT package out and gave it back to the sales guy and asked for a reduced price, he accepted my offer :) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 26 11:11:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA03128 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:11:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14377; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:10:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:10:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14266; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14253; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:10:28 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (sehh@athe530-r173.otenet.gr [212.205.255.173]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA26962 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:10:25 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004261510.SAA26962@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:10:29 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <004201bfad0e$5c817a80$4362183f@math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [TPall] Re: List for OLD Thinkpads?? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id LAA14377 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA03129 On Sun, 23 Apr 2000 00:26:14 -1000, David Ross wrote: >the scope of the post, e.g. the one above for posts like this, [TP701] >for the 701, [TP7xx] for any >700-series, [OT] for off-topic posts, etc. Every so often listers start I dont know the software of the list server, but it may be possible to search the emails for TPxxx and automaticaly append it as [TPxxx] on the subject line. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 26 11:41:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA03406 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:41:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16617; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:39:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16509; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16468; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:39:45 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (sehh@athe530-r173.otenet.gr [212.205.255.173]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA24465 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:39:41 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004261539.SAA24465@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:39:44 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <001101bfadff$015d9840$0c061fac@brianb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: W2K key switching limitation -- call for help List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id LAA16617 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA03408 On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:08:53 -0400, Brian Bender wrote: >Say all you want about OS wars, monopolies, etc., but I really, really, >REALLY despise Microsoft's moving onto the "standard" keyboard. It's bad >enough on desktop keyboards, but on notebooks, especially, where they're >already hiding keys in unnatural places (backslash somewhere else, CTL & ALT >only on left side of the space bar, etc.) because of size considerations, 3 >more keys is a killer!. Ugh... That's one of the things that keeps me from >even _looking_ at anything other than a Thinkpad: screwey keyboard layouts. Have you considered re-mapping the keys? Most operating systems allow you to create your own layout. Ofcourse you need to remember where each key is, since the printed letters/symbols on the keys wont help. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 26 11:42:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA03422 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:42:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17032; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:42:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16953; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16911; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:42:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:42:07 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (sehh@athe530-r173.otenet.gr [212.205.255.173]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA29113 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:42:04 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200004261542.SAA29113@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 18:42:07 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: PIII 733 mhz Cancelation List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id LAA17032 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA03423 On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:31:20 -0600 (CST), Jon wrote: >For those that ordered or won the bid for this item, there might be a very >big chance that this bid would be canceled. Just got an email form the >company telling that the bid was placed by mistake. I think it is just a >publicity stunt. 934 computers placed on bid, mistake ?? >If a B&M (brick and mortal) store makes a pricing error, it is forced to >uphold it. Why shouldnt internet store adhere to the same business policy >? The same happened in the UK when Dixons was selling TVs for $4 or something, ofcourse they refused to uphold it and they got sued. I dont know what happened after that. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Apr 26 11:50:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA03489 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:50:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17774; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:48:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17697; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17684; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:48:40 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA18024; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:48:37 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA17682; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 08:44:18 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- call for help) In-Reply-To: <200004261539.SAA24465@athserv.otenet.gr> References: <001101bfadff$015d9840$0c061fac@brianb> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 06:39 PM 04/26/2000 +0100, you wrote: >On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:08:53 -0400, Brian Bender wrote: > > >Say all you want about OS wars, monopolies, etc., but I really, really, > >REALLY despise Microsoft's moving onto the "standard" keyboard. It's bad > >enough on desktop keyboards, but on notebooks, especially, where they're > >already hiding keys in unnatural places (backslash somewhere else, CTL & ALT > >only on left side of the space bar, etc.) because of size considerations, 3 > >more keys is a killer!. Ugh... That's one of the things that keeps me from > >even _looking_ at anything other than a Thinkpad: screwey keyboard layouts. One of the small reasons I've "stayed" with the ThinkPads is because (apparently) they have stuck to a standard, high-quality keyboard & layout: (1) Not changing the location of keys. (2) Not inserting that silly "Windows" key (and taking up space) (3) Keeping big keys big, and small keys small--i.e., the "Enter" key is the large, full size that it should be, the "Shift" keys also, etc. Even the cursor keys are exactly as they should be--the inverted "T". *This* is how a keyboard should be, and anything other than this is inherently inferior. Toshiba screwed this up on a lot of their machines, as has just about everyone else. IBM has screwed a lot of things up (including some complaints about keyboard quality & "feel" in a few cases), but one thing they've still gotten right is the keyboard layout. That's a subtle, but huge selling point for me (along with the trackpoint--I detest touchpads). From cph Wed Apr 26 12:06:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA03686 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:06:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19295; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:05:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19204; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19191; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:05:31 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA31822; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:05:27 -0700 Message-ID: <001501bfaf9b$4bb04c60$03785a8e@pmachule> From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Cc: References: <200004261542.SAA29113@athserv.otenet.gr> Subject: Re: PIII 733 mhz Cancelation Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 09:20:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id MAA19295 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA03687 Go to Anantech forums you will have a lot of company ;-} It's a fascinating read so far ... http://anandforums.gisystech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=40&threadid=158336 and http://anandforums.gisystech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=40&threadid=157953 over 200 messages ...peter... ----- Original Message ----- From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 10:42 AM Subject: Re: PIII 733 mhz Cancelation > On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:31:20 -0600 (CST), Jon wrote: > > >For those that ordered or won the bid for this item, there might be a very > >big chance that this bid would be canceled. Just got an email form the > >company telling that the bid was placed by mistake. I think it is just a > >publicity stunt. 934 computers placed on bid, mistake ?? > >If a B&M (brick and mortal) store makes a pricing error, it is forced to > >uphold it. Why shouldnt internet store adhere to the same business policy > >? > > The same happened in the UK when Dixons was selling TVs for $4 or something, > ofcourse they refused to uphold it and they got sued. I dont know what happened after that. > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > From cph Wed Apr 26 12:28:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA03899 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:28:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21295; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:26:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21213; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21191; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:26:34 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id LAA11828 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:26:32 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.185.103]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id LAA11822 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 11:26:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000426122613.009bd3e0@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:26:13 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: EZServ this week Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Well, I continue to lead a charmed life as far as EZServ is concerned. The keyboard on my TP600 was having intermittent problems over the last week or so, and the doors over the USB and floppy ports were tearing loose. Over the weekend, the keyboard problem got worse, and I called for service on Monday. When they called me back around 5PM EDT to verify the address for shipping the fancy box, I told them I had a box (one of the old sling boxes) and just needed the shipping info and tracking number and that I really, really, really, really needed it back before my teammate got back in the office on Friday (using her 600 with my drive). They said that while they couldn't promise it would be back by then, it looked feasible since it was a simple repair. They gave me the shipping info (still shipped me the fancy box Just In Case) and faxed me an inventory form to send with it so that I could ship it out on Monday. I dropped the box off at Airborne around 6:30PM, and it was in Memphis by 3:30AM on Tuesday. Got it back first thing this morning (Wednesday) with a new keyboard and new port doors. Seems to be in perfect working order so far thanks to Zakery (IBM Certified Repair Technician) and Robert Day (Inspector). Needless to say, I followed my own advice and removed everything that wasn't nailed down before shipping it. EZServ just got an empty shell with keyboard and screen. The guy that had called me originally got quite a chuckle when, in answer to a query about my data being backed up, he got a tart "You're not getting my drive!". As always, YMMV. Jane From cph Wed Apr 26 12:39:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA03975 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:39:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22093; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:38:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22012; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:38:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw.cc.uga.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21997; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgw.cc.uga.edu (128.192.1.101 -> mailgw.cc.uga.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:38:36 -0400 Received: from arch7.cc.uga.edu by mailgw.cc.uga.edu (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <0.01CB0308@mailgw.cc.uga.edu>; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:34:33 -0400 Received: from archa13.cc.uga.edu (arch13.cc.uga.edu [128.192.95.113]) by arch7.cc.uga.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24700 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:37:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (wwgraves@localhost) by archa13.cc.uga.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA139546 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:37:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: archa13.cc.uga.edu: wwgraves owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:37:35 -0400 (EDT) From: William Graves X-Sender: wwgraves@archa13.cc.uga.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EZServ this week In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000426122613.009bd3e0@pop.mindspring.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I also had a very good experience with the Memphis EZserv last week. (770ed, replaced LCD and inverter card due to intermittent problems with the backlight) Shipped out on wed and back on monday. Bill On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Jane Loyless wrote: > Well, I continue to lead a charmed life as far as EZServ is concerned. > > The keyboard on my TP600 was having intermittent problems over the last > week or so, and the doors over the USB and floppy ports were tearing loose. > Over the weekend, the keyboard problem got worse, and I called for service > on Monday. > > When they called me back around 5PM EDT to verify the address for shipping > the fancy box, I told them I had a box (one of the old sling boxes) and > just needed the shipping info and tracking number and that I really, > really, really, really needed it back before my teammate got back in the > office on Friday (using her 600 with my drive). They said that while they > couldn't promise it would be back by then, it looked feasible since it was > a simple repair. > > They gave me the shipping info (still shipped me the fancy box Just In > Case) and faxed me an inventory form to send with it so that I could ship > it out on Monday. I dropped the box off at Airborne around 6:30PM, and it > was in Memphis by 3:30AM on Tuesday. > > Got it back first thing this morning (Wednesday) with a new keyboard and > new port doors. Seems to be in perfect working order so far thanks to > Zakery (IBM Certified Repair Technician) and Robert Day (Inspector). > > Needless to say, I followed my own advice and removed everything that > wasn't nailed down before shipping it. EZServ just got an empty shell with > keyboard and screen. The guy that had called me originally got quite a > chuckle when, in answer to a query about my data being backed up, he got a > tart "You're not getting my drive!". > > As always, YMMV. > > Jane > From cph Wed Apr 26 12:49:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA04041 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:49:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23160; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:47:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23025; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23003; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (206.161.15.5 -> radagast.wizard.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:47:45 -0400 Received: from saruman.wizard.net (saruman.wizard.net [206.161.15.4]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA02283 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:47:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (jonathan@localhost) by saruman.wizard.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA24978 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:47:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:47:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonathan To: TP List Subject: Re: Keyboards (TP240) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > > IBM has screwed a lot of things up (including some complaints > about keyboard quality & "feel" in a few cases), but one thing they've > still gotten right is the keyboard layout. That's a subtle, but huge > selling point for me (along with the trackpoint--I detest touchpads). Actually, on of my few gripes about the TP240 is that there is no gap between the top row of keys (function keys) and the next row, as there is on the TP701C keyboard. The result is that I keep hitting DEL instead of BACKSPACE. A small flaw in what is otherwise a first-rate product. Jonathan From cph Wed Apr 26 13:17:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA04324 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:17:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25428; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:16:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25335; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25322; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 13:16:14 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial35.auto-net.com [208.154.252.84]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA43302 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:01:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <3907400A.6A9A1B96@iso.net> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:14:19 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: TP List Subject: Re: Keyboards (TP240) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jonathan, You shouldn't berate yourself that way. One small flaw in your fine motor skills is hardly that thing that makes you less than first-rate. Bill {;-) Jonathan wrote: > On Wed, 26 Apr 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > > IBM has screwed a lot of things up (including some complaints > > about keyboard quality & "feel" in a few cases), but one thing they've > > still gotten right is the keyboard layout. That's a subtle, but huge > > selling point for me (along with the trackpoint--I detest touchpads). > > Actually, on of my few gripes about the TP240 is that there is no gap > between the top row of keys (function keys) and the next row, as there is > on the TP701C keyboard. The result is that I keep hitting DEL instead of > BACKSPACE. A small flaw in what is otherwise a first-rate product. > > Jonathan From cph Wed Apr 26 14:59:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA05168 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:59:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05027; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:57:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04890; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04876; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:57:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:57:14 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JOP01UZF008WZABX@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:00:15 CST Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 14:00:14 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: PIII 733 frm ubid (free $50 gc) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: guess thjose that won the bid will get $50 gift certificatge from UBID for free. NOt bad, free $50 bucks for that :) From cph Wed Apr 26 15:24:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA05347 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:23:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07143; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:22:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07045; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07026; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Apr 2000 15:22:40 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA05030; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:22:27 -0700 Message-ID: <008901bfafb6$d1a01060$03785a8e@pmachule> From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: "Jon" Cc: References: Subject: Re: PIII 733 frm ubid (free $50 gc) Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 12:37:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: UBid Cancels HP 9300i CD Writer http://anandforums.gisystech.com/messageview.cfm?start=21&catid=40&threadid= 158723 Ubids at it again ;-} ..peter.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 1:00 PM Subject: PIII 733 frm ubid (free $50 gc) > guess thjose that won the bid will get $50 gift certificatge from UBID for > free. NOt bad, free $50 bucks for that :) > From cph Thu Apr 27 00:37:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA09619 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:37:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08690; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:35:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08594; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08579; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:35:12 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA03396; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:35:07 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA00881; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 00:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000426212251.00b84eb0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 21:29:57 -0700 To: "Ronald W. Heiby" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- call for help) In-Reply-To: <12975.000426@falkor.chi.il.us> References: <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:24 PM 04/26/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Wednesday, April 26, 2000, 10:44:18 AM, Randal wrote: >RW> IBM has screwed a lot of things up (including some complaints >RW> about keyboard quality & "feel" in a few cases), but one thing they've >RW> still gotten right is the keyboard layout. That's a subtle, but huge >RW> selling point for me (along with the trackpoint--I detest touchpads). > >Except, of course, that they continue to promulgate their ancient >error of putting the Caps Lock key where Ctrl should be -- hence the >need for keyboard remapping software! I don't know what country you're from (or maybe you're using one of those cheap i-series machines), but on my TP600, the Caps Lock key is right where its supposed to be and has been since the Dvorak keyboard was invented, and the control key down below the shift key where it belongs. That's how its been on every good desktop keyboard I've used over the last 10 - 15 years, and where it was (except there was no Control key) on the standard-setting IBM Selectric Typewriter I learned to type on nearly 20 years ago. The Caps Lock has always been above the Shift key. Why do you want the Control key there? From cph Thu Apr 27 01:22:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA09795 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:22:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10003; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:21:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:21:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09929; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09916; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:21:29 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-332.gate.net [199.227.173.78]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA06738; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:21:08 -0400 Message-ID: <3907CE50.FA70BC03@gate.net> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:21:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP CC: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PIII 733 mhz Cancelation References: <200004261542.SAA29113@athserv.otenet.gr> <001501bfaf9b$4bb04c60$03785a8e@pmachule> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------42FAF998513DCD094D6A52CC" List-Unsubscribe: --------------42FAF998513DCD094D6A52CC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id BAA10003 I can't BELIEVE that any of you guys actually believed that you would GET= the machine specified for the dollar amount that you bid..! :-) its one of the universal rules of life, no free lunch.. what a bunch of gullible uhh.. folks... that having been said, i am a foo= l, since i too bid on the impossible dream.. :-) i got four e-mails stating that the order was in and on and at the wareho= use.. (some warehouse!) then just this evening i got another e-mail, apologetic this time, saying= sorry charlie (read fool), due to an error your order is cancelled.. (my my, what a surprise) BUT, since we want to retain you as a customer, = we'll give you up to $50 off on your next bid.. >from reading some of the angry posts at the below indicated links, it app= ears that someone might be responsible for fulfilling those successful bids.. (HAH, i won't hold my breath, and anyway, by the time they DO fulfill, th= e hardware will be antique) the term "class action" has been used by some of the posters, and it migh= t be interesting to see if suce a cause of action exists.. now all we need do is find a lawyer who has electronic commerace and clas= s action lawsuits as areas of practice.. if such a case exists, THIS fool is for it.. :-) at best this is some error, at worst, it is a ploy to harvest personal da= ta for some reason.. sale to a spammer, for future fraud..? along with the $50 and some sort of legal attack, i think that all trace = of my personal information must be erased from all data retrieval systems conne= cted in any way with ubid, the seller and anyone else connected with them.. **rant is now over** peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote: > Go to Anantech forums you will have a lot of company ;-} > It's a fascinating read so far ... > > http://anandforums.gisystech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=3D40&threadid=3D= 158336 > > and > http://anandforums.gisystech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=3D40&threadid=3D= 157953 > > over 200 messages > > ...peter... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." > To: "thinkpad" > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 10:42 AM > Subject: Re: PIII 733 mhz Cancelation > > > On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:31:20 -0600 (CST), Jon wrote: > > > > >For those that ordered or won the bid for this item, there might be = a > very > > >big chance that this bid would be canceled. Just got an email form t= he > > >company telling that the bid was placed by mistake. I think it is ju= st a > > >publicity stunt. 934 computers placed on bid, mistake ?? > > >If a B&M (brick and mortal) store makes a pricing error, it is force= d to > > >uphold it. Why shouldnt internet store adhere to the same business p= olicy > > >? > > > > The same happened in the UK when Dixons was selling TVs for $4 or > something, > > ofcourse they refused to uphold it and they got sued. I dont know wha= t > happened after that. > > > > =FE H.I.C. & D.B.S. =FE OS/2 Warp =FE Hellas =FE > > =FE ServerConfig =FE ConfigEdit =FE OS/2 UK UG =FE > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net --------------42FAF998513DCD094D6A52CC Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I can't BELIEVE that any of you guys actually believed that you would GET the machine specified for the dollar amount that you bid..!  :-)
its one of the universal rules of life, no free lunch..
what a bunch of gullible uhh.. folks... that having been said, i am a fool, since i too bid on the impossible dream..  :-)
i got four e-mails stating that the order was in and on and at the warehouse..
(some warehouse!)

then just this evening i got another e-mail, apologetic this time, saying sorry charlie (read fool), due to an error your order is cancelled..
(my my, what a surprise) BUT, since we want to retain you as a customer, we'll give you up to $50 off on your next bid..

from reading some of the angry posts at the below indicated links, it appears that someone might be responsible for fulfilling those successful bids..
(HAH, i won't hold my breath, and anyway, by the time they DO fulfill, the hardware will be antique)

the term "class action" has been used by some of the posters, and it might be interesting to see if suce a cause of action exists..
now all we need do is find a lawyer who has electronic commerace and class action lawsuits as areas of practice..

if such a case exists, THIS fool is for it..  :-)

at best this is some error, at worst, it is a ploy to harvest personal data for some reason.. sale to a spammer, for future fraud..?
along with the $50 and some sort of legal attack, i think that all trace of my personal information must be erased from all data retrieval systems connected in any way with ubid, the seller and anyone else connected with them..

**rant is now over**

peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP wrote:

Go  to Anantech forums   you will have a lot of company ;-}
It's a fascinating read so far ...

http://anandforums.gisystech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=40&threadid=158336

and
http://anandforums.gisystech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=40&threadid=157953

over 200 messages

...peter...

----- Original Message -----
From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." <sehh@altered.com>
To: "thinkpad" <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: PIII 733 mhz Cancelation

> On Mon, 24 Apr 2000 11:31:20 -0600 (CST), Jon wrote:
>
> >For those that ordered or won the bid for this item, there might be a
very
> >big chance that this bid would be canceled. Just got an email form the
> >company telling that the bid was placed by mistake. I think it is just a
> >publicity stunt. 934 computers placed on bid, mistake ??
> >If a B&M (brick and mortal) store makes a pricing error, it is forced to
> >uphold it. Why shouldnt internet store adhere to the same business policy
> >?
>
> The same happened in the UK when Dixons was selling TVs for $4 or
something,
> ofcourse they refused to uphold it and they got sued. I dont know what
happened after that.
>
> þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ
> þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ
>

--
Happy trails...

** Bill Morrow **   :-)
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net
  --------------42FAF998513DCD094D6A52CC-- From cph Thu Apr 27 01:24:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA09800 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:24:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10176; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:23:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10102; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10086; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:23:54 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-332.gate.net [199.227.173.78]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA146262; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:23:47 -0400 Message-ID: <3907CEEF.4AA08695@gate.net> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 01:23:59 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PIII 733 frm ubid (free $50 gc) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: its not a free $50, its $50 off your next purchase.. if the next purchase is under $50 and if its not similarly cancelled.. :-) Jon wrote: > guess thjose that won the bid will get $50 gift certificatge from UBID for > free. NOt bad, free $50 bucks for that :) -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Apr 27 02:41:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA10069 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:41:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12718; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:40:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12635; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12622; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:40:26 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA05427 for ; Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3907E091.F976EEC8@stanford.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:39:13 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PIII 733 frm ubid (free $50 gc) References: <3907CEEF.4AA08695@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I looked at the $35 gift certificate for the CD writer, and it's only valid for the next 90 days, so I'd guess the $50 one for the PIII-733 is similarly crippled. Although one wonders... is it worth the aggravation of dealing with uBid again just to get $50 off on something with a not-so-nice price? Final price may not be better than eBay anyway... and eBay feedback seems to be a better guarantee of service. Benjamin Bill Morrow wrote: > > its not a free $50, its $50 off your next purchase.. > if the next purchase is under $50 and if its not similarly cancelled.. :-) > > Jon wrote: > > > guess thjose that won the bid will get $50 gift certificatge from UBID for > > free. NOt bad, free $50 bucks for that :) > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a 68k Mac or PC without installing IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Thu Apr 27 05:42:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA10713 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 05:42:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24343; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 05:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 05:26:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24249; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 05:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charon.amdahl.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24236; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 05:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charon.amdahl.com (159.199.101.1 -> charon.amdahl.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 05:26:11 -0400 Received: from charon.amdahl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by charon.amdahl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA29118 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:26:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com (minerva.amdahl.com [129.212.33.25]) by charon.amdahl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA29110; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #9) id m12kkYI-0003jaC; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:25 PDT Received: from ladybug.M2_BLDG by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id CAA15554; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:26:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from czs00@localhost) by ladybug.M2_BLDG (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id CAA01533; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20000427023442.65340@eng.amdahl.com> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:34:42 -0700 From: Serenella Ciongoli To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- call for help) References: <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> <12975.000426@falkor.chi.il.us> <4.2.0.58.20000426212251.00b84eb0@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000426212251.00b84eb0@pop3.iceka1.com>; from Randal Whittle on Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 09:29:57PM -0700 List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, Apr 26, 2000 at 09:29:57PM -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 11:24 PM 04/26/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >Wednesday, April 26, 2000, 10:44:18 AM, Randal wrote: > >RW> IBM has screwed a lot of things up (including some complaints > >RW> about keyboard quality & "feel" in a few cases), but one thing they've > >RW> still gotten right is the keyboard layout. That's a subtle, but huge > >RW> selling point for me (along with the trackpoint--I detest touchpads). > > > >Except, of course, that they continue to promulgate their ancient > >error of putting the Caps Lock key where Ctrl should be -- hence the > >need for keyboard remapping software! > > I don't know what country you're from (or maybe you're using one > of those cheap i-series machines), but on my TP600, the Caps Lock key is > right where its supposed to be and has been since the Dvorak keyboard was > invented, and the control key down below the shift key where it belongs. > > That's how its been on every good desktop keyboard I've used over > the last 10 - 15 years, and where it was (except there was no Control key) > on the standard-setting IBM Selectric Typewriter I learned to type on > nearly 20 years ago. > > The Caps Lock has always been above the Shift key. Why do you > want the Control key there? Because there are tools both in the Windows and in the Unix (Linux) environment where the Control Key is used very frequently, much, much more frequently than the Caps Lock key. Word keyboard shortcuts, Qedit, Emacs are examples of such tools. Having the Control below the Shift key stresses my hand much more than having it in place of the Caps Lock key. Sun keyboards (and IBM ones when shipped with AIX servers) reverse the position of Caps lock and Control keys. Serenella Ciongoli From cph Thu Apr 27 08:16:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA11413 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:16:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29603; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:06:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:04:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29416; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:04:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29400; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:04:37 -0400 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA22183 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port7.magma.ca [209.217.123.7]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA01085 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004271204.IAA01085@mail3.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "TP List" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 08:03:24 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <20000427023442.65340@eng.amdahl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- call for help) List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 02:34:42 -0700, Serenella Ciongoli wrote: >Because there are tools both in the Windows and in the Unix (Linux) >environment where the Control Key is used very frequently, much, much more >frequently than the Caps Lock key. Word keyboard shortcuts, Qedit, Emacs are >examples of such tools. > >Having the Control below the Shift key stresses my hand much more than >having it in place of the Caps Lock key. > >Sun keyboards (and IBM ones when shipped with AIX servers) reverse the >position of Caps lock and Control keys. The early PC keyboard had that too. It meant that Control, Alt, and Shift were stacked above one another (Fn is where ALT should be by that standard, on my TP600). With the 10 function keys in two columns down the left side, there were something like 60 function key and extended function key combinations that could be done with the left hand, without stretching (and with a little practice, without looking). I believe WordPerfect was the first major application to take advantage of that, and it was one of the ways it pushed WordStar aside (unlimited toll-free support was also a factor :). My old Northgate keyboard (with the double set of function keys, both down and across) actually came with an extra CTRL and an extra CAPSLOCK key, so that if I swapped them (through a DIP switch I believe, could also also replace the keycaps. Randal's right, though. He said 10-15 years, which would be back as far as 1985, by which time the AT keyboard with the function keys across the top, had been introduced. andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Thu Apr 27 09:59:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA11968 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:59:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04672; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:53:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04560; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04547; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy2.ba.best.com (206.184.139.14 -> proxy2.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:53:45 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy2.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id GAA10755 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 06:52:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000427064252.00c17ee0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 06:51:34 -0700 To: From: David Goldman Subject: RE: Good deal?! (was: RE: My contribution to this list/OS wars) In-Reply-To: References: <200004231748.NAA07241@mail6.magma.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:48 AM 4/24/2000 , James H. E. Maugham wrote: >Andrew Webber [mailto:awebber@wwwebbers.com] wrote > > > I think the MSDN limit is 10 connections (based only on reading the > > site, not on any actual knowledge :) > >Both the MSDN and HOTKIT CDs are limited to 10 stations. Another possible >downside for some is that the software is Not For Release licensed and is >_not_ upgradable. BTW, you get W2K Professional, W2K Server and W2K Advanced >Server with the W2K Hotkit. I ordered the W2K and Office 2000 HOTKITs on Sunday, 4/23/00. The W2K HOTKIT was delivered Wednesday 4/26/00. The Office 2000 HOTKIT is currently back ordered with no indication of when it will ship. The W2K HOTKIT includes W2K Professional and W2K Advanced Server. There is no "W2K Server" product available from Microsoft. There will be a "W2K Enterprise Server" product that has not yet been released. It will be shipped to people who ordered the W2K HOTKIT a while back. Currently, the web site indicates that Microsoft is no longer including the "W2K Enterprise Server" product in the HOTKITs that they are now accepting orders for. The W2K HOTKIT does specify a 10 client limit. >I also took advantage of the offer of a HOTKIT for Office2K. Again, the >training was worth _every_ penny and I consider it a true value. I agree. For somebody who can live with the NFR restrictions and plans to take advantage of the training. I expect that BOTH HOTKITS are excellent values. -- David Goldman From cph Thu Apr 27 11:11:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12563 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:11:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12658; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:08:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12450; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:08:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12429; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:08:48 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA27004; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:08:46 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA08633; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000427073442.00a0d4a0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 07:43:29 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- call forhelp) In-Reply-To: <3907DF52.DA543C43@stanford.edu> References: <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000426212251.00b84eb0@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:33 PM 04/26/2000 -0700, you wrote: > I believe Ronald has used PCs from the time of the XT keyboards, when >Ctrl was where Caps Locks is today, and Alt was where Left Ctrl is now. >Caps Lock was located at today's Right Ctrl position. Ahhh yes, I vaguely remember that now. Then what Ronald is complaining about is that IBM didn't continue the *flawed* keyboard in the original PC/XT design, because that Ctrl key had no business supplanting the position where the Caps Lock key had been--as a standard--for decades already. In other words, the XT keyboard was the weirdo--it changed the keyboard design to something it wasn't. >This made Ctrl-key >combinations easy as you could hold down Ctrl with your little finger >and press most of the other keys without moving your hand too much. I fail to see the problem then, as I have no difficulty doing the same with the Ctrl key(s) in their present position. >Today you need to move your hands from the "home" position to press >Ctrl-key combinations, Huh? Why? Its right below the Shift key--easy to access, easy to reach...it doesn't require me to move my hands all over the place. >and if the software you use frequently makes >extensive use of them, the old key positions are more convenient. The >current keyboard layout dates from the AT, but if you learned to type on >the XT, as I did, the new layout took getting used to. I was quite >annoyed when I first switched. I can understand if you (or Ronald) learned on the XT and it annoyed you to go back to the standard, just understand that the XT is the oddball here--it was very much non-standard to begin with. It broke ranks with the standard layout of the Dvorak keyboards used for decades. Understandably, "new" keys had to be added for computer-specific use (Ctrl, Alt, F-Keys, Cursor keys, etc.), but supplanting the existing layout by moving things like the Tab or the Caps-Lock key isn't the way to go. From cph Thu Apr 27 11:33:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12808 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:33:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14343; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:32:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14242; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14227; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:32:26 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20029 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:32:19 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <39085D83.FB286C9C@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:32:19 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.13-sls i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TP List Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- callforhelp) References: <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000426212251.00b84eb0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000427073442.00a0d4a0@pop3.iceka1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: A couple years ago I transitioned from Sun keyboards to PC keyboards, and it definitely did put a strain on my hands to use the PC ctrl key, which as others have said before is heavily used in Unix and Emacs. I probably use the capslock key once a day at most, and the control key thousands of times. (I am using Linux.) I guess the situation could be reversed for those in the Windows world. Still, when I do use Windows, I use ctrl often in Netscape, and the caps lock only rarely. Why does it have such a valuable location? At least they didn't put the stupid Windows key right in the middle of the home row. --Lee From cph Thu Apr 27 11:54:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12981 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:54:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16238; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:53:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:53:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16151; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16138; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:53:26 -0400 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "I Lee Hetherington" , "TP List" Subject: RE: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- callforhelp) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:53:23 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2D4D@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- callforhelp) Thread-Index: Ab+wXgozBfZab6EDR3ixcUkeaAouhAAAlznQ List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA12982 I'm in exactly the opposite situation. I started on Unix with AIX in 1987 or so. At that time, the PC-RT (and later the RS6000) has standard PC keyboards with the caps lock key above the shift key. As a hard-core Emacs guy, I also use Ctrl sequences a lot. I just got used to Ctrl in the lower-left corner. I still have a difficult time with standard Sun keyboards, and usually order the special PC-style Sun keyboards (which are available as an option). I think that IBM also offers both styles for the RS6000. ssh > -----Original Message----- > From: I Lee Hetherington [mailto:ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu] > Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:32 AM > To: TP List > Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- > callforhelp) > > > A couple years ago I transitioned from Sun keyboards to PC keyboards, > and it definitely did put a strain on my hands to use the PC ctrl key, > which as others have said before is heavily used in Unix and Emacs. > I probably use the capslock key once a day at most, and the > control key > thousands of times. (I am using Linux.) I guess the > situation could be > reversed for those in the Windows world. Still, when I do > use Windows, > I use ctrl often in Netscape, and the caps lock only rarely. Why does > it have such a valuable location? > > At least they didn't put the stupid Windows key right in the middle of > the home row. > > --Lee > From cph Thu Apr 27 12:00:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA13040 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:00:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16823; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:59:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16690; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:59:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.cais.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16669; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.cais.net (205.252.14.8 -> shell.cais.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:59:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by shell.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA22492; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:56:21 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- call forhelp) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000427073442.00a0d4a0@pop3.iceka1.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > Then what Ronald is complaining about is that IBM didn't continue > the *flawed* keyboard in the original PC/XT design, because that Ctrl key > had no business supplanting the position where the Caps Lock key had I have no intention to start a religious OS war but the placement of the Ctrl key is only flawed to users limited to MS Windows/DOS OS's. For other OS's, viz., Unix and the various varients the Ctrl key is best placed in the position that the cap lock key now typically resides. Regards,rj From cph Thu Apr 27 12:14:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA13126 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:14:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18014; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:12:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17876; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17862; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:12:52 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA20898; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:12:50 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA04234; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000427090033.00b65810@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:03:32 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- call forhelp) In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000427073442.00a0d4a0@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:56 AM 04/27/2000 -0400, you wrote: >On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > Then what Ronald is complaining about is that IBM didn't continue > > the *flawed* keyboard in the original PC/XT design, because that Ctrl key > > had no business supplanting the position where the Caps Lock key had > >I have no intention to start a religious OS war but the placement of the >Ctrl key is only flawed to users limited to MS Windows/DOS OS's. For other >OS's, viz., Unix and the various varients the Ctrl key is best placed in >the position that the cap lock key now typically resides. >Regards,rj By "Flawed" I meant only that the other flavors of computer keyboards broke ranks with the standard Dvorak layout (which had already been in pace for decades) by moving already established keys around. The current PC keyboard keeps the keys where they always were, adding space for computer-specific F-keys, Ctrl, etc. The Suns, etc. monkeyed with the original--they are the ones that broke ranks, and even among all of them, the keyboard layouts vary somewhat (I remember all too well the DEC VT-100's keyboard). From cph Thu Apr 27 12:22:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA13222 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:22:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18810; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:21:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18738; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18725; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:21:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.103 -> pilot003.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:21:27 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm457-15.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.121]) by pilot003.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA45860 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:21:25 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000427121637.00d623b0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:21:34 -0400 To: TP List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- call forhelp) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000427090033.00b65810@pop3.iceka1.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20000427073442.00a0d4a0@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Oh My! Keyboard religious wars! I'd forgotten how much fun they were. I shall only say that having the crtl key where shift-lock normally is was/is great, if you are a programmer/command line type of person. For those people, hitting a control-char is a lot more frequent than needing to go into a shifted mode. What I'd love to see is a keyboard which could do either--have a little switch on the bottom and an extra set of keys to change out so us could have what we wanted. Sigh. --STeve Andre' At 09:03 AM 4/27/00 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 11:56 AM 04/27/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>On Thu, 27 Apr 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: >> >> > Then what Ronald is complaining about is that IBM didn't continue >> > the *flawed* keyboard in the original PC/XT design, because that Ctrl key >> > had no business supplanting the position where the Caps Lock key had >> >>I have no intention to start a religious OS war but the placement of the >>Ctrl key is only flawed to users limited to MS Windows/DOS OS's. For other >>OS's, viz., Unix and the various varients the Ctrl key is best placed in >>the position that the cap lock key now typically resides. >>Regards,rj > > By "Flawed" I meant only that the other flavors of computer > keyboards broke ranks with the standard Dvorak layout (which had already > been in pace for decades) by moving already established keys around. > > The current PC keyboard keeps the keys where they always were, > adding space for computer-specific F-keys, Ctrl, etc. > > The Suns, etc. monkeyed with the original--they are the ones that > broke ranks, and even among all of them, the keyboard layouts vary > somewhat (I remember all too well the DEC VT-100's keyboard). From cph Thu Apr 27 12:35:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA13325 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:35:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20140; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:33:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20051; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20038; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:33:19 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA27543; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:33:18 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA12133; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 12:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000427092739.00a08c10@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 09:28:56 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- call forhelp) In-Reply-To: <000101bfb064$c60110c0$1b00a8c0@dallas> References: <4.2.0.58.20000427090033.00b65810@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 12:22 PM 04/27/2000 -0400, you wrote: >All I have to add is WHY ARE THERE WINDOWS keys? (and anyone >else here would love to be rid of them too??) I'm glad they're >not on my 770ED... I totally agree (and I'm glad its not on the Thinkpads). It is totally *useless* and a waste of space in an already crowded area. Even if you use Windows. From cph Thu Apr 27 13:45:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA14005 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:45:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25568; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:43:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25460; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25318; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (208.203.130.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:43:20 -0400 Received: from xpool77.acunet.net (xpool77.acunet.net [208.208.7.77]) by acunet.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id NAA11681 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004271743.NAA11681@acunet.net> From: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" To: "TP List" Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:41:02 -0500 Reply-To: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- callforhelp) List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 11:32:19 -0400, I Lee Hetherington wrote: >A couple years ago I transitioned from Sun keyboards to PC keyboards, >and it definitely did put a strain on my hands to use the PC ctrl key, >which as others have said before is heavily used in Unix and Emacs. >I probably use the capslock key once a day at most, and the control key >thousands of times. (I am using Linux.) I'd be happy if they moved the Caps Lock key up to the function key row. Then I wouldn't accidently hit it and FIND A LINE OF TEXT IN ALL CAPS. :) Jeff From cph Thu Apr 27 15:01:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14810 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:01:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01151; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:00:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01028; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01014; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (24.128.1.71 -> chmls06.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:00:10 -0400 Received: from Laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA21779 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:00:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: RE: Keyboards Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 15:00:07 -0400 Message-ID: <006201bfb07a$cda67480$0200a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- >From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] >Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 12:30 AM >To: Ronald W. Heiby; TP List >Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- call for help) > > > I don't know what country you're from (or maybe you're using one >of those cheap i-series machines), but on my TP600, the Caps Lock key is >right where its supposed to be and has been since the Dvorak keyboard was >invented, and the control key down below the shift key where it belongs. > > That's how its been on every good desktop keyboard I've used over >the last 10 - 15 years, and where it was (except there was no Control key) >on the standard-setting IBM Selectric Typewriter I learned to type on >nearly 20 years ago. > > The Caps Lock has always been above the Shift key. Why do you >want the Control key there? Hi Randal, I myself wasn't complaining about this in my original message, but for information's sake: 18 years ago, when I bought my first computer and learned the word processing program WordStar, the Ctrl key was the extra wide key to the left of "A" and the Caps Lock was lower, below Shift and to the left of Alt. This enabled one to do word processing with embedded keyboard commands (none of this function key and alt-shift stuff which takes your hands off the keyboard and makes no sense in the head anyhow). Even now, when few use WordStar, it is unfortunate that on modern keyboards the much used Ctrl key is much more cumbersome to reach than the little used Caps Lock. Now, a lot of people still use WordStar - many companies have retained it, and a lot of touch typists find it efficient and pleasurable to use. For Word users like myself who are touch typists and remember the speed and intuitiveness of WordStar, there is a Wordstar key command set add-in for word available from http://www.petrie.u-net.com/computing/wordstar/wordstar.htm (I had the pleasure of beta testing it). Best, Jeff From cph Thu Apr 27 17:26:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA16371 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:26:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13285; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:15:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13131; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13117; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 17:15:39 -0400 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp-171-69-70-208.cisco.com [171.69.70.208]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.8.8+Sun/CISCO.SERVER.1.2) with ESMTP id OAA12653; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3908ADB1.BDF9F3DC@ricochet.net> Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 14:14:26 -0700 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- callforhelp) References: <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000426212251.00b84eb0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000427073442.00a0d4a0@pop3.iceka1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Time to go grab your security blanket, Randal. Randal Whittle wrote: > At 11:33 PM 04/26/2000 -0700, you wrote: > > I believe Ronald has used PCs from the time of the XT keyboards, when > >Ctrl was where Caps Locks is today, and Alt was where Left Ctrl is now. > >Caps Lock was located at today's Right Ctrl position. > > Ahhh yes, I vaguely remember that now. > > Then what Ronald is complaining about is that IBM didn't continue > the *flawed* keyboard in the original PC/XT design, because that Ctrl key > had no business supplanting the position where the Caps Lock key had > been--as a standard--for decades already. Au contraire, mon frere, the "original" pc design simply copied what computer terminal keyboards had been doing for "generations" [in computer terms], since the ASR-33 [now nearly 40 years young], if not earlier. The '33 was the first ascii printing terminal, so it is likely be the progenitor of the keyboards we know and love. > >This made Ctrl-key > >combinations easy as you could hold down Ctrl with your little finger > >and press most of the other keys without moving your hand too much. > > I fail to see the problem then, as I have no difficulty doing the > same with the Ctrl key(s) in their present position. The key element here is "without moving your hand too much". Very small reach -- 1cm keytop to keytop -- a->ctl on a real keyboard, giant reach on today's "standard" pc keyboard -- 2.5cm on my 770ED. And the caps lock key has a top that is much smaller than the area the key takes up. WHY? Because it's freaking useless, that's why. Only B1FF!! and his like have need of it. Any decent word processor has a "case-region-upper" command or its equivalent if you really have the need to SHOUT. > > > >Today you need to move your hands from the "home" position to press > >Ctrl-key combinations, > > Huh? Why? Its right below the Shift key--easy to access, easy to > reach...it doesn't require me to move my hands all over the place. Nice for you, youngster. Be thankful you don't use the control characters a lot, or you will end up with RSI down the road. I personally blame DEC's ultra-lousy VT220 keyboard which moved the control key even further away for my RSI, and I know of at least one court case wherein that very same keyboard was found to be the cause of the complaintant's disability. > > > >and if the software you use frequently makes > >extensive use of them, the old key positions are more convenient. The > >current keyboard layout dates from the AT, but if you learned to type on > >the XT, as I did, the new layout took getting used to. I was quite > >annoyed when I first switched. > > I can understand if you (or Ronald) learned on the XT and it > annoyed you to go back to the standard, just understand that the XT is the > oddball here--it was very much non-standard to begin with. It broke ranks > with the standard layout of the Dvorak keyboards used for > decades. C'mon, Randal, I know you have some very useful things to say, but this sort of argument paints you in a bad light. > Understandably, "new" keys had to be added for computer-specific > use (Ctrl, Alt, F-Keys, Cursor keys, etc.), but supplanting the existing > layout by moving things like the Tab or the Caps-Lock key isn't the way to go. And don't get me started on where the ESC key is supposed to go, damnit. I've pretty much given up on touch-typing it and switched to ctl-[ instead. My all-time favorite keyboard, aside from the keyboard+terminal combo of the ADM3A which could run at full 19.2k speed with no data loss, unlike those piece of manure vt52 et seq. things, was the sumptuous Cherry keyboard on Tek's 4015 storage-tube graphics terminal. That was a pleasure to stroke as it had perfect spacing, perfect profile and perfect feel in addition to the most pleasant sound I've ever heard a keyboard make. Andy "I remember when modems were illegal" Beals From cph Thu Apr 27 19:49:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA17513 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:49:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22104; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:45:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21567; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21552; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:45:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:45:25 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id TAA01721; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:45:23 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id TAA00471; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000427163602.00b62e80@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 16:40:47 -0700 To: Andrew Scott Beals , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- callforhelp) In-Reply-To: <3908ADB1.BDF9F3DC@ricochet.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000426212251.00b84eb0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000427073442.00a0d4a0@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 02:14 PM 04/27/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Time to go grab your security blanket, Randal. > > I can understand if you (or Ronald) learned on the XT and it > > annoyed you to go back to the standard, just understand that the XT is the > > oddball here--it was very much non-standard to begin with. It broke ranks > > with the standard layout of the Dvorak keyboards used for > > decades. > >C'mon, Randal, I know you have some very useful things to say, but this >sort of >argument paints you in a bad light. I don't see how. Typewriters were around far longer than computers ever were, using the Dvorak keyboard. Then a computer comes along and changes the layout, and people think the new layout is the standard? I'll completely concede that the Caps Lock key is all but useless, and that putting the Ctrl key there might well be an improvement, but the standard *is* and always has been right above the Shift key. Anything that departs from that is the oddball (though perhaps an improvement nonetheless). From cph Thu Apr 27 21:08:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA18084 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:08:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26218; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:08:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:06:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26057; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26044; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.110 -> pilot010.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:06:51 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm452-24.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.130]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA42054 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:06:47 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000427204830.00d31660@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:06:55 -0400 To: TP List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- callforhelp) In-Reply-To: <3908ADB1.BDF9F3DC@ricochet.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000426212251.00b84eb0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000427073442.00a0d4a0@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Oohhh! I am wiggling with agreement here--the Tektronix terminals were GREAT. I believe that the 4015 (and my personal all-time favorite, then 4023) used Keytronix keyboards, not Cherry. I have two Tek 4023's in storage just for the keyboards; I have no idea how I'll interface to them, but I haven't thrown them away! Thanks also to the person who told me about the northgate keyboard that was ctrl/shift key switchable. Now, to try and bring this back to thinkpad discussions, can people tell me about the (ibm?) keyboard that has a trackpoint on it? I have a user who would very much like to have such an external keyboard, now that I've co-opted her into using a ThinkPad. I looked around some but I haven't found it. Where can I get one and how well do they work? Thanks all --STeve Andre' At 02:14 PM 4/27/00 -0700, Andrew Scott Beals wrote: [snip] >My all-time favorite keyboard, aside from the keyboard+terminal combo of >the ADM3A >which could run at full 19.2k speed with no data loss, unlike those piece >of manure >vt52 et seq. things, was the sumptuous Cherry keyboard on Tek's 4015 >storage-tube >graphics terminal. That was a pleasure to stroke as it had perfect spacing, >perfect profile and perfect feel in addition to the most pleasant sound >I've ever >heard a keyboard make. From cph Thu Apr 27 21:13:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA18125 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:13:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26656; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:12:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26557; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26511; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trmail.triumf.ca (142.90.100.150 -> trmail.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:12:20 -0400 Received: from pmachule (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by trmail.triumf.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11111 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:12:19 -0700 Message-ID: <01ad01bfb0b0$de8d5440$03785a8e@pmachule> From: "peter machule TRIUMF TISOL GROUP" To: References: <3907CEEF.4AA08695@gate.net> Subject: Re: PIII 733 frm ubid (free $50 gc) Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:24:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: The natives are getting restless ;-} This thing just might not go away . ..peter.. who's had a few nasty deals with ubid .... http://anandforums.gisystech.com/messageview.cfm?catid=40&threadid=159869 From cph Thu Apr 27 21:55:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA18348 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:54:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29206; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:53:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29101; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29042; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:53:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:53:11 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id VAA09808; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:53:06 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id VAA13967; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000427184558.00b6fb70@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 18:48:11 -0700 To: "Julian Thomas" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- callforhelp) In-Reply-To: <200004280042.UAA14037@lima.epix.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20000427163602.00b62e80@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:36 PM 04/27/2000 -0400, you wrote: >In <4.2.0.58.20000427163602.00b62e80@pop3.iceka1.com>, on 04/27/00 > at 04:40 PM, Randal Whittle typed: > > > I don't see how. Typewriters were around far longer than > >computers ever were, using the Dvorak keyboard. > >I'm surprised that this thread has gone on as long as it has with this >misconception being perpetrated. The qwerty keyboard is NOT Dvorak - I ACK!!! You are absolutely *Correct*!!! This entire time, I've been meaning to say "Qwerty", not Dvorak. My (big) mistake! Brain freeze... >FWIW the old typewriters had a Shift lock (not a caps lock) Close enough to the same thing. Certainly not worth a quibble. From cph Thu Apr 27 22:37:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA18585 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:37:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01248; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:34:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01011; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nevis.u.arizona.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA00998; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nevis.u.arizona.edu (128.196.137.19 -> nevis.U.Arizona.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 22:34:00 -0400 Received: (from mcquaid@localhost) by nevis.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA15050; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:33:57 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 19:33:57 -0700 From: Mick McQuaid To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- call forhelp) Message-ID: <20000427193356.A26500@U.Arizona.EDU> References: <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000426212251.00b84eb0@pop3.iceka1.com> <3907DF52.DA543C43@stanford.edu> <4.2.0.58.20000427073442.00a0d4a0@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000427073442.00a0d4a0@pop3.iceka1.com>; from Randal Whittle on Thu, Apr 27, 2000 at 07:43:29AM -0700 List-Unsubscribe: ... regarding a message from Randal Whittle on Apr 27: > ... [much clueless garbage omitted] > ... > Ahhh yes, I vaguely remember ... > ... > I fail to see the problem ... > ... just understand that the XT is the > oddball here--it was very much non-standard to begin with. It broke ranks > with the standard layout of the Dvorak keyboards used for > decades. Understandably, "new" keys had to be added for computer-specific > use (Ctrl, Alt, F-Keys, Cursor keys, etc.), but supplanting the existing > layout by moving things like the Tab or the Caps-Lock key isn't the way to go. > ... [what is he talking about?] The profusion of key remapping tools that follow each new MS release indicate that Whittle is just being provocative and clueless. Plenty of people specifically want the ability to swap Ctrl and CapsLock. When NT 4.0 came out, people said it couldn't be done due to security features in NT that prevented direct access to hardware. Similar things happened with earlier MS systems and eventually multiple utilities to do this have always appeared. It will be available soon and no wacko ranting will stop it! -- Mick McQuaid, mmcquaid@u.arizona.edu 520-621-4074 office / voice mail From cph Thu Apr 27 23:50:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19114 for ; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:50:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06096; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:48:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05968; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05955; Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:48:56 -0400 Received: from tp466 ([12.79.42.76]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000428034854.HIER1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@tp466>; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 03:48:54 +0000 Message-ID: <000901bfb0dd$d98b28a0$4c2a4f0c@tp466> From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: "TP List" , "STeve Andre'" References: <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com><4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com><4.2.0.58.20000426212251.00b84eb0@pop3.iceka1.com><4.2.0.58.20000427073442.00a0d4a0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.3.1.0.20000427204830.00d31660@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Trackpoint Keyboards Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2000 23:49:05 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: > Now, to try and bring this back to thinkpad discussions, can people tell me > about the > (ibm?) keyboard that has a trackpoint on it? (snip) > I looked around some but I haven't found it. Where can I get one and how > well do they > work? > This fella was advertising these in the laptop newsgroup about six weeks ago, and I purchased a keyboard from him which I am very happy with. YMMV, of course. His email address is axxxion@gis.net. I don't know if he still has any available. The ad follows, but first a piece of pure devilment. I think I have composed the ultimate flame war igniter: "Can anyone recommend a Win98 keyboard remapper utility for my i Series Thinkpad I got on Ubid?" Enough with the nonsense, here's the ad: ========================================================================= These are genuine IBM Trackpoint ll keyboards in retail boxes. These are the ones with the little eraser(comes with 3 spares) like head in between the G_H on the keyboard, which is the mouse control, and the left and right push buttons are just below the space bar. I have seen these for sale anywhere from $112-$224 EA. These have 101 keys and a 6 foot cable for the keyboard and mouse each utilising 6 pin mini-DIN(PS/2 style) connectors. Built-in 17-key numeric keypad. They are completely mechanical(Buckling-spring technology) with ergonomic tactile and audio feedback as well as adjustable feet. You can feel the quality of this keyboard as soon as you press a key. They also come with a gender extension adapter for use with an IBM thinkpad. These are IBM part#13H6705. The retail white box weighs 6 LBS. $35.00EA shipping extra... Thankyou, Ron(978)-532-3337 From cph Fri Apr 28 00:04:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA19178 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:04:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07082; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:03:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07001; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:03:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06980; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:03:02 -0400 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA11628 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port3.magma.ca [209.217.123.3]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA24183 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200004280403.AAA24183@mail4.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "TP List" Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:01:45 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000427204830.00d31660@pilot.msu.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- callforhelp) List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:06:55 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >Thanks also to the person who told me about the northgate keyboard >that was ctrl/shift key switchable. You're welcome, and I don't think it was the only one that did it. I dug through my old emails (January 1998!) and found the reference to the guys who make "new" Northgate-style keyboards. I believe these have a feel like the later Northgates, which was not quite as nice (totally subjective on my part) as the earlier ones (I had two NGs). But still nice. http://www.cvtinc.com/kybdfeatures.htm They have two, a 12- and a 24-fn-key version. Keycaps are interchangeable (ctrl, alt, on right, and ctrl, alt, capslock on left -- and it looks like they include replacement ctrl and capslock for the left!). These things are not cheap by today's standards for keyboards, but if they're build like the old Northgates, they're probably worth it. For now I'll stick with my off-brand knockoff of the MS Natural, with the "6" on the proper (right) hand. The difference between reaching for a function key at the top, and down the side, is that the latter is close to being a comfortable extension of the home row (and I could reach most or all left-side Fn keys with my pinky, with my ring finger on a ctrl or shift, and my index finger still on "f", without looking. Which is still can't do (not looking) consistently across the top. andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Fri Apr 28 00:17:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA19225 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:17:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07848; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:16:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07757; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07744; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.111 -> pilot011.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:16:29 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm453-36.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.190]) by pilot011.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA117792 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:16:24 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000428001454.00d26570@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 00:16:33 -0400 To: "TP List" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Trackpoint Keyboards In-Reply-To: <000901bfb0dd$d98b28a0$4c2a4f0c@tp466> References: <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000426212251.00b84eb0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.2.0.58.20000427073442.00a0d4a0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.3.1.0.20000427204830.00d31660@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Hahahaha... Excellent piece of flamebait, Jim! Thank you for this info. I shall relay this onto my user. --STeve Andre' At 11:49 PM 4/27/00 -0700, Jim Biggerstaff wrote: > > Now, to try and bring this back to thinkpad discussions, can people tell >me > > about the > > (ibm?) keyboard that has a trackpoint on it? >(snip) > > I looked around some but I haven't found it. Where can I get one and how > > well do they > > work? > > >This fella was advertising these in the laptop newsgroup about six weeks >ago, and I purchased a keyboard from him which I am very happy with. YMMV, >of course. His email address is axxxion@gis.net. I don't know if he still >has any available. > >The ad follows, but first a piece of pure devilment. I think I have >composed the ultimate flame war igniter: > > "Can anyone recommend a Win98 keyboard remapper utility for my i Series >Thinkpad I got on Ubid?" > >Enough with the nonsense, here's the ad: > >========================================================================= > >These are genuine IBM Trackpoint ll keyboards in retail boxes. These >are the ones with the little eraser(comes with 3 spares) like head in >between the G_H on the keyboard, which is the mouse control, and the >left and right push buttons are just below the space bar. I have seen >these for sale anywhere from $112-$224 EA. These have 101 keys and a 6 >foot cable for the keyboard and mouse each utilising 6 pin >mini-DIN(PS/2 style) connectors. Built-in 17-key numeric keypad. They >are completely mechanical(Buckling-spring technology) with ergonomic >tactile and audio feedback as well as adjustable feet. You can feel >the quality of this keyboard as soon as you press a key. They also >come with a gender extension adapter for use with an IBM thinkpad. >These are IBM part#13H6705. The retail white box weighs 6 LBS. > >$35.00EA shipping extra... > >Thankyou, > >Ron(978)-532-3337 > From cph Fri Apr 28 04:57:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA20008 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:57:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19514; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:56:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19407; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19394; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:56:14 -0400 Received: from tp600 (user-2iveo0b.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.96.11]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA29064; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:56:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Patrick A. Forte" To: "Thinkpad List" , "Jim Biggerstaff" Subject: RE: Trackpoint Keyboards Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:57:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000901bfb0dd$d98b28a0$4c2a4f0c@tp466> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Jim: He has more - many more. I bought another 4 last week. They are GREAT keyboards. I bought extras for when they are no longer available. Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Jim Biggerstaff [mailto:duh@att.net] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 2:49 AM To: TP List; STeve Andre' Subject: Trackpoint Keyboards > Now, to try and bring this back to thinkpad discussions, can people tell me > about the > (ibm?) keyboard that has a trackpoint on it? (snip) > I looked around some but I haven't found it. Where can I get one and how > well do they > work? > This fella was advertising these in the laptop newsgroup about six weeks ago, and I purchased a keyboard from him which I am very happy with. YMMV, of course. His email address is axxxion@gis.net. I don't know if he still has any available. The ad follows, but first a piece of pure devilment. I think I have composed the ultimate flame war igniter: "Can anyone recommend a Win98 keyboard remapper utility for my i Series Thinkpad I got on Ubid?" Enough with the nonsense, here's the ad: ========================================================================= These are genuine IBM Trackpoint ll keyboards in retail boxes. These are the ones with the little eraser(comes with 3 spares) like head in between the G_H on the keyboard, which is the mouse control, and the left and right push buttons are just below the space bar. I have seen these for sale anywhere from $112-$224 EA. These have 101 keys and a 6 foot cable for the keyboard and mouse each utilising 6 pin mini-DIN(PS/2 style) connectors. Built-in 17-key numeric keypad. They are completely mechanical(Buckling-spring technology) with ergonomic tactile and audio feedback as well as adjustable feet. You can feel the quality of this keyboard as soon as you press a key. They also come with a gender extension adapter for use with an IBM thinkpad. These are IBM part#13H6705. The retail white box weighs 6 LBS. $35.00EA shipping extra... Thankyou, Ron(978)-532-3337 From cph Fri Apr 28 09:16:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA21150 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:16:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06141; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:15:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:15:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05381; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05314; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.140 -> ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:14:59 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id JAA17049 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-goh-vty20.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-goh-vty20.as.wcom.net [216.192.158.20]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id JAA17012 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:13:09 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1342.000428@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- callforhelp) In-reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000427163602.00b62e80@pop3.iceka1.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20000427163602.00b62e80@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thursday, April 27, 2000, 6:40:47 PM, Randal wrote: RW> I don't see how. Typewriters were around far longer than RW> computers ever were, using the Dvorak keyboard. Then a computer RW> comes along and changes the layout, and people think the new RW> layout is the standard? Horse and Buggy was around for centuries before the automobile ever was. Then an automobile comes along and changes the entire human interface, and people think that having an accellerator pedal is the standard? RW> I'll completely concede that the Caps Lock key is all but useless, RW> and that putting the Ctrl key there might well be an improvement, RW> but the standard *is* and always has been right above the Shift RW> key. Anything that departs from that is the oddball (though RW> perhaps an improvement nonetheless). I'll completely concede that the buggy whip is all but useless and that putting a side mirror there might well be an improvement, but the standard *is* and always has been to have a buggy whip right next to the driver, where he can reach it easily. Anything that departs from that is the oddball (though perhaps an improvement, since there's no longer an actual horse). In this age of "icons", I'm surprised that some car company doesn't put an icon of a horse on the accellerator pedal. BTW, the "standard" for non-computerized keyboards was not Caps Lock, but Shift Lock. Randall seems to think that they are pretty close to the same thing. Maybe they are close, but they are not the same. Caps Lock does not shift any non-alphabetic characters. Caps Lock is not cancelled by pressing the Shift key. Substituting a "close to the same function" key can be worse for congnitive dissonance than substituting a key with a completely different function. So, they were wrong on that score, too. Tick off the programmers. Tick off the typists. Who's left? Ron (who used an ASR-33 TTY in ~1971, which had CTRL where it should be, on a DEC PDP8/S with Core Memory, programmed in Focal or Fortran). From cph Fri Apr 28 10:12:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA21481 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:12:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13552; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:12:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13461; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13447; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:12:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop3.gte.net (207.115.153.22 -> smtppop3.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:12:02 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop3.gte.net with SMTP for ; id JAA21743101 Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:11:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200004281411.JAA21743101@smtppop3.gte.net> To: Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 09:12:00 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: Re: Keyboards (Was: W2K key switching limitation -- List-Unsubscribe: ** Reply to note from "STeve Andre'" Thu, 27 Apr 2000 21:06:55 -0400 > can people tell me > about the > (ibm?) keyboard that has a trackpoint on it? Look at http://www.pckeyboard.com/onthestk.htm. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 04/28/00, 09:11:57 From cph Fri Apr 28 10:35:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA21629 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:35:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14956; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:33:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14698; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:33:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14684; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 10:32:49 -0400 Received: from laptop ([32.101.185.195]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000042814323423902lji2ue>; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 14:32:35 +0000 Message-ID: <005601bfb11e$c3d7d3a0$ede36520@laptop> Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Jim Biggerstaff" , "TP List" , "STeve Andre'" References: <4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com><4.2.0.58.20000426083921.00b5bdd0@pop3.iceka1.com><4.2.0.58.20000426212251.00b84eb0@pop3.iceka1.com><4.2.0.58.20000427073442.00a0d4a0@pop3.iceka1.com> <4.3.1.0.20000427204830.00d31660@pilot.msu.edu> <000901bfb0dd$d98b28a0$4c2a4f0c@tp466> Subject: Re: Trackpoint Keyboards Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 08:33:43 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: You can also buy from the present manufacturer, but not as cheaply. http://www.pckeyboard.com/ > This fella was advertising these in the laptop newsgroup about six weeks > ago, and I purchased a keyboard from him which I am very happy with. YMMV, > of course. His email address is axxxion@gis.net. I don't know if he still > has any available. > > The ad follows, but first a piece of pure devilment. I think I have > composed the ultimate flame war igniter: > > "Can anyone recommend a Win98 keyboard remapper utility for my i Series > Thinkpad I got on Ubid?" > > Enough with the nonsense, here's the ad: > > ========================================================================= > > These are genuine IBM Trackpoint ll keyboards in retail boxes. These > are the ones with the little eraser(comes with 3 spares) like head in > between the G_H on the keyboard, which is the mouse control, and the > left and right push buttons are just below the space bar. I have seen > these for sale anywhere from $112-$224 EA. These have 101 keys and a 6 > foot cable for the keyboard and mouse each utilising 6 pin > mini-DIN(PS/2 style) connectors. Built-in 17-key numeric keypad. They > are completely mechanical(Buckling-spring technology) with ergonomic > tactile and audio feedback as well as adjustable feet. You can feel > the quality of this keyboard as soon as you press a key. They also > come with a gender extension adapter for use with an IBM thinkpad. > These are IBM part#13H6705. The retail white box weighs 6 LBS. > > $35.00EA shipping extra... > > Thankyou, > > Ron(978)-532-3337 > > > From cph Fri Apr 28 22:14:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA26896 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:14:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28472; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:09:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28157; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28143; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.241.205 -> f205.law8.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:09:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 37603 invoked by uid 0); 29 Apr 2000 02:09:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000429020909.37602.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 202.180.83.73 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 19:09:08 PDT X-Originating-IP: [202.180.83.73] From: "Jake Holmen" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Battery Repacking: 760 CD Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 02:09:08 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Hi all. I recall a while ago that someone was talking about re-packing their battery packs. I have the following problem. In my Thinkpad 760CD - I have a Ni-MH battery pack that is SUPPOSED to give over two hours continuous use when fully charged. (yeah right) It discharges normally till about 54 % and then it beeps high low high low (warning Will Robinson!) and the display shows 0%. I opened it up, carefully peeling the yellow sticker off the top, and I see that there is 14 cells (1.2 V 1800mA hour) and they are parallelled to give 8.4 V and 3.5AH . Does anyone know where to get these cells (1.8 AH or better?) and where's the cheapest place to get 'em. I can re-pack the unit myself (I suspect one or more of the cells is short circuit) if I can get a hold of some new cells cheaply. Here's all the details I could see on the battery cells themselves: 14 Cells Ni-MH type 1.2 Volts Nominal (1800mA Hours) Number Toshiba TH-1800A 17mm wide x 42mm long <-17mm-> _____ | | ^ | | | | | | | | 42mm | | | | | | |_____| V Another number on the actual cell is 17D903AUT Any help is appreciated. Cheers J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Fri Apr 28 23:20:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA27088 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:20:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00826; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:18:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00647; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00634; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:18:40 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA18444; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:18:31 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <004901bfb189$bae3f240$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Jake Holmen" , References: <20000429020909.37602.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Battery Repacking: 760 CD Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 17:19:27 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Try www.batteryterminal.com, www.batteryproducts.com, and www.resource800.com The guys at batteryterminal in particular are very friendly and helpful. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake Holmen" To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 4:09 PM Subject: Battery Repacking: 760 CD Hi all. I recall a while ago that someone was talking about re-packing their battery packs. I have the following problem. In my Thinkpad 760CD - I have a Ni-MH battery pack that is SUPPOSED to give over two hours continuous use when fully charged. (yeah right) It discharges normally till about 54 % and then it beeps high low high low (warning Will Robinson!) and the display shows 0%. I opened it up, carefully peeling the yellow sticker off the top, and I see that there is 14 cells (1.2 V 1800mA hour) and they are parallelled to give 8.4 V and 3.5AH . Does anyone know where to get these cells (1.8 AH or better?) and where's the cheapest place to get 'em. I can re-pack the unit myself (I suspect one or more of the cells is short circuit) if I can get a hold of some new cells cheaply. Here's all the details I could see on the battery cells themselves: 14 Cells Ni-MH type 1.2 Volts Nominal (1800mA Hours) Number Toshiba TH-1800A 17mm wide x 42mm long <-17mm-> _____ | | ^ | | | | | | | | 42mm | | | | | | |_____| V Another number on the actual cell is 17D903AUT Any help is appreciated. Cheers J ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Fri Apr 28 23:30:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA27113 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:30:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01390; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:30:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01295; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:30:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01281; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:30:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:30:16 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.78.193.166]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000429033010.EOQQ27191.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer> for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 03:30:10 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01bfb18b$9abb4d40$a6c14e0c@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Simon Bryquer" From: "Simon Bryquer" To: "THINKPAD LIST" Subject: BATTERY DURATION ON NEW TP 600E ????? Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 23:32:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFB16A.056C5A20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFB16A.056C5A20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I jus got a brand new TP 600E. I 'm breaking in the battery by running = in down to zero and I'm on the third cycle. But the most running time = I'm getting is 1 1/2 hrs. Now this is in straight word processing not = using with the modem which I know uses more power and etc. =20 My question -- isn't this a bit short lived for a brand new battery? Now I know the specs say 3 hrs - I 'm realistic to know I would not get = this -- but one and half hours seems a bit too short and odd. Let me know your experience -- before I call IBM and get a replacement. Thanks=20 Simon Bryquer ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFB16A.056C5A20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I jus got a brand new TP 600E.  I 'm breaking = in the=20 battery by running in down to zero and I'm on the third cycle.  But = the=20 most running time I'm getting is 1 1/2 hrs.  Now this is in = straight word=20 processing  not using with the modem which I know uses more power = and=20 etc. 
 
My question -- isn't this a bit short lived for a = brand new=20 battery?
 
Now I know the specs say 3 hrs - I 'm  = realistic to know=20 I would not get this -- but one and half hours seems a bit too short and = odd.
 
Let me know = your experience=20 -- before I call IBM and get a replacement.
 
 
Thanks
 
Simon Bryquer
 
------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFB16A.056C5A20-- From cph Sat Apr 29 00:49:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA27367 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:49:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03973; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:47:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03875; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flex.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03859; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flex.com (206.126.0.13 -> flex.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 00:47:55 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (dialup027.virtualwebsites.com [206.126.0.101]) by flex.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA04598 for ; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:47:48 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <006f01bfb196$2650bf20$65007ece@oemcomputer> From: "Jimmy" To: Subject: Re: missing operating system Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 18:48:22 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006C_01BFB142.5405FE20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01BFB142.5405FE20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Jimmy=20 To: thinhpad@cs.utk.edu=20 Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 6:39 PM Subject: missing operating system My thinkpad 385XD set crash,i tried to recover the old 95,i change the = boot sequence to cd rom first then i put in the recovery disc.After that = nothing boot up everthing gone,the screen came on thinkpan on ,after the = thinkpad screen only missing operatingsystem show on the left top coner. No matter what i did nothing came on eveni put the recovery boot cdrom = flopp in no luck,then i try to put the recovery cd in on and off same = thing no luck. Anyone has any idea please help. Thanks Jimmy ------=_NextPart_000_006C_01BFB142.5405FE20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Jimmy =
Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 = 6:39=20 PM
Subject: missing operating = system

My thinkpad 385XD set crash,i tried to recover = the old=20 95,i change the boot sequence to cd rom first then i put in the = recovery=20 disc.After that nothing boot up everthing gone,the screen came on = thinkpan on=20 ,after the thinkpad screen only missing operatingsystem show on the = left top=20 coner.
No matter what i did nothing came on eveni put = the=20 recovery boot cdrom flopp in no luck,then i try to put the recovery cd = in on=20 and off same thing no luck.
Anyone has any idea please help.
Thanks = Jimmy
------=_NextPart_000_006C_01BFB142.5405FE20-- From cph Sat Apr 29 01:17:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA27444 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:17:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04778; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:17:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04703; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04690; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (207.217.121.85 -> gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:16:52 -0400 Received: from miles (ip160.an11-new-york4.ny.pub-ip.psi.net [38.26.22.160]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA06807; Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:16:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "David Newman" To: "Tom Franklin" , "Jim Biggerstaff" , "TP List" , "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: Trackpoint Keyboards Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:16:47 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <005601bfb11e$c3d7d3a0$ede36520@laptop> List-Unsubscribe: Are the ones that Ron is selling from these guys, or are they from IBM? dn > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Franklin [mailto:tdf@attglobal.net] > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 10:34 AM > To: Jim Biggerstaff; TP List; STeve Andre' > Subject: Re: Trackpoint Keyboards > > > You can also buy from the present manufacturer, but not as cheaply. > > http://www.pckeyboard.com/ > > > > This fella was advertising these in the laptop newsgroup about six weeks > > ago, and I purchased a keyboard from him which I am very happy > with. YMMV, > > of course. His email address is axxxion@gis.net. I don't know if he > still > > has any available. > > > > The ad follows, but first a piece of pure devilment. I think I have > > composed the ultimate flame war igniter: > > > > "Can anyone recommend a Win98 keyboard remapper utility for my i > Series > > Thinkpad I got on Ubid?" > > > > Enough with the nonsense, here's the ad: > > > > > ========================================================================= > > > > These are genuine IBM Trackpoint ll keyboards in retail boxes. These > > are the ones with the little eraser(comes with 3 spares) like head in > > between the G_H on the keyboard, which is the mouse control, and the > > left and right push buttons are just below the space bar. I have seen > > these for sale anywhere from $112-$224 EA. These have 101 keys and a 6 > > foot cable for the keyboard and mouse each utilising 6 pin > > mini-DIN(PS/2 style) connectors. Built-in 17-key numeric keypad. They > > are completely mechanical(Buckling-spring technology) with ergonomic > > tactile and audio feedback as well as adjustable feet. You can feel > > the quality of this keyboard as soon as you press a key. They also > > come with a gender extension adapter for use with an IBM thinkpad. > > These are IBM part#13H6705. The retail white box weighs 6 LBS. > > > > $35.00EA shipping extra... > > > > Thankyou, > > > > Ron(978)-532-3337 > > > > > > > > From cph Sat Apr 29 01:26:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA27478 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:26:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05102; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:25:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05030; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05017; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:25:46 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id BAA12564; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:25:45 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id BAA16860; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 01:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000428220614.00b755a0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 22:07:20 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: BATTERY DURATION ON NEW TP 600E ????? In-Reply-To: <000b01bfb18b$9abb4d40$a6c14e0c@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:32 PM 04/28/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I jus got a brand new TP 600E. I 'm breaking in the battery by running in >down to zero and I'm on the third cycle. But the most running time I'm >getting is 1 1/2 hrs. Now this is in straight word processing not using >with the modem which I know uses more power and etc. > >My question -- isn't this a bit short lived for a brand new battery? > >Now I know the specs say 3 hrs - I 'm realistic to know I would not get >this -- but one and half hours seems a bit too short and odd. > Cycle it a few more times to be sure, but yes--1 1/2 hrs is very short. You should be getting at least 2 1/2 hrs. From cph Sat Apr 29 04:47:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA27905 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:47:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12478; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:46:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12384; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12371; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:46:43 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-20.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.20]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA02877; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:46:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000429044800.0083fdd0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:48:00 -0700 To: "Jimmy" , From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: missing operating system In-Reply-To: <006f01bfb196$2650bf20$65007ece@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:48 PM 04/28/2000 -1000, Jimmy wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy To: >thinhpad@cs.utk.edu Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 6:39 PM Subject: >missing operating system > My thinkpad 385XD set crash,i tried to recover the old 95,i change >the boot sequence to cd rom first then i put in the recovery disc.After >that nothing boot up everthing gone,the screen came on thinkpan on >,after the thinkpad screen only missing operatingsystem show on the left >top coner. No matter what i did nothing came on eveni put the >recovery boot cdrom flopp in no luck,then i try to put the recovery cd in >on and off same thing no luck. Anyone has any idea please help. >Thanks Jimmy > Format a disk on another system with Windows 95 "format a: /s" to make the disk bootable. Copy sys.com to the disk from the c:\windows\command directory. Boot the floppy on the 385XD system. type "sys c:" at the a: prompt. Manually verify that command.com is in the root dir of your system. Reboot. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Sat Apr 29 06:00:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA28044 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 06:00:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18915; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 06:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 05:59:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18525; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 05:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18512; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 05:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 05:59:14 -0400 Received: from tp466 ([12.79.41.251]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000429095912.PJZP12683.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@tp466>; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 09:59:12 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01bfb1c1$9aab1110$fb294f0c@tp466> From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: "David Newman" , "Tom Franklin" , "TP List" , "STeve Andre'" References: Subject: Re: Trackpoint Keyboards Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 05:59:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Ron's are IBM branded/retail boxed. -jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Newman" To: "Tom Franklin" ; "Jim Biggerstaff" ; "TP List" ; "STeve Andre'" Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 1:16 AM Subject: RE: Trackpoint Keyboards > > Are the ones that Ron is selling from these guys, or are they from IBM? > > dn > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Franklin [mailto:tdf@attglobal.net] > > Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 10:34 AM > > To: Jim Biggerstaff; TP List; STeve Andre' > > Subject: Re: Trackpoint Keyboards > > > > > > You can also buy from the present manufacturer, but not as cheaply. > > > > http://www.pckeyboard.com/ > > > > > > > This fella was advertising these in the laptop newsgroup about six weeks > > > ago, and I purchased a keyboard from him which I am very happy > > with. YMMV, > > > of course. His email address is axxxion@gis.net. I don't know if he > > still > > > has any available. > > > > > > The ad follows, but first a piece of pure devilment. I think I have > > > composed the ultimate flame war igniter: > > > > > > "Can anyone recommend a Win98 keyboard remapper utility for my i > > Series > > > Thinkpad I got on Ubid?" > > > > > > Enough with the nonsense, here's the ad: > > > > > > > > ========================================================================= > > > > > > These are genuine IBM Trackpoint ll keyboards in retail boxes. These > > > are the ones with the little eraser(comes with 3 spares) like head in > > > between the G_H on the keyboard, which is the mouse control, and the > > > left and right push buttons are just below the space bar. I have seen > > > these for sale anywhere from $112-$224 EA. These have 101 keys and a 6 > > > foot cable for the keyboard and mouse each utilising 6 pin > > > mini-DIN(PS/2 style) connectors. Built-in 17-key numeric keypad. They > > > are completely mechanical(Buckling-spring technology) with ergonomic > > > tactile and audio feedback as well as adjustable feet. You can feel > > > the quality of this keyboard as soon as you press a key. They also > > > come with a gender extension adapter for use with an IBM thinkpad. > > > These are IBM part#13H6705. The retail white box weighs 6 LBS. > > > > > > $35.00EA shipping extra... > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > > > > Ron(978)-532-3337 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Sat Apr 29 07:24:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA28386 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 07:24:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20752; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 07:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 07:19:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20667; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 07:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20653; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 07:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 07:19:46 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-53.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.53]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA18502 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:19:44 +0300 Message-Id: <200004291119.OAA18502@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:19:45 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <000b01bfb1c1$9aab1110$fb294f0c@tp466> Subject: Re: Trackpoint Keyboards X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19 List-Unsubscribe: When I asked Ron one month ago, he told me they are manufactured by Maxiswitch. Are they however IBM-branded? That would seem surprising, given the extremely attractive price. -Dominique On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 at 05:59 AM you, "Jim Biggerstaff" , said: >Ron's are IBM branded/retail boxed. >-jim From cph Sat Apr 29 17:45:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA30091 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 17:45:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07497; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 17:45:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 17:44:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07389; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 17:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07371; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 17:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60 -> cpimssmtpu10.smtp.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 17:44:07 -0400 Received: from default - 63.22.252.5 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 14:44:05 -0700 Message-ID: <002301bfb223$957167a0$05fc163f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Help yet again. Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:40:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I can't remeber how to configure MSN to get news groups. Can someone let me know, I know it's ????.msn.com, I tried news but that don't work Thanks again Brad Boogerware Inc. From cph Sat Apr 29 18:15:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA30172 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:15:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10556; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:15:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10481; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10468; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from secure.smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.28 -> cpimssmtpu07.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:15:17 -0400 Received: from thinkpad600x - 216.160.143.182 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 15:15:15 -0700 Reply-To: From: "Richard A. Bilancia" To: "'Think'" Subject: RE: Help yet again. Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:15:08 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: msnews.microsoft.com netnews.msn.com Rich Bilancia > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Burean [mailto:Burean@email.msn.com] > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 3:41 PM > To: Think > Subject: Help yet again. > > > I can't remeber how to configure MSN to get news > groups. Can someone let me know, I know it's > ????.msn.com, I tried news but that don't work > > Thanks again > > Brad > Boogerware Inc. > > > > > > > > > > From cph Sat Apr 29 19:06:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA30334 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:06:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12138; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:05:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11974; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11961; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:05:09 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA19779; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:05:03 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000901bfb22f$7dbe6520$5162183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Brad Burean" Cc: "ThinkPad mailing list" References: <002301bfb223$957167a0$05fc163f@default> Subject: [Way OT] Re: Help yet again. Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 13:06:00 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: try netnews.msn.com Why ask here instead of emailing the MSN tech people, whom you have already paid for this help service? - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 11:40 AM Subject: Help yet again. I can't remeber how to configure MSN to get news groups. Can someone let me know, I know it's ????.msn.com, I tried news but that don't work Thanks again Brad Boogerware Inc. From cph Sat Apr 29 19:28:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA30413 for ; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:28:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13036; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:28:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12958; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12943; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Apr 2000 19:28:01 -0400 Received: from default - 63.22.252.5 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 29 Apr 2000 16:27:53 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01bfb232$16809e20$05fc163f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "David Ross" Cc: "Think" References: <002301bfb223$957167a0$05fc163f@default> <000901bfb22f$7dbe6520$5162183f@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [Way OT] Re: Help yet again. Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 18:24:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Well because I'll know here within a couple of hours, and the guys on the list know what they are thinking about. If you have ever called the nimrods at MSn you know what I'm talking about. Thanks Brad ----- Original Message ----- From: David Ross To: Brad Burean Cc: ThinkPad mailing list Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 6:06 PM Subject: [Way OT] Re: Help yet again. > try netnews.msn.com > > Why ask here instead of emailing the MSN tech people, whom you have > already paid for this > help service? > > - David R. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brad Burean" > To: "Think" > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 11:40 AM > Subject: Help yet again. > > > I can't remeber how to configure MSN to get news > groups. Can someone let me know, I know it's > ????.msn.com, I tried news but that don't work > > Thanks again > > Brad > Boogerware Inc. > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Sun Apr 30 11:34:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA09442 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:34:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17662; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:31:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17422; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17409; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:31:07 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-391.gate.net [199.227.131.200]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA06256 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:30:10 -0400 Message-ID: <390C51C6.B9A52526@gate.net> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:31:18 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: the new thinkpads.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Last evening, I posted a picture from a friend of what i believe to be the new A20P and a "T" series thinkpad.. be patient, its a big file.. (beware the birds.. they are all lawyers!) -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 30 11:47:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA09479 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:47:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18797; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:47:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18703; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18684; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:47:29 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-391.gate.net [199.227.131.200]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA112782; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:46:28 -0400 Message-ID: <390C5598.DE5B003F@gate.net> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:47:36 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: Brad Burean , ThinkPad mailing list Subject: Re: [Way OT] Re: Help yet again. (off topic) References: <002301bfb223$957167a0$05fc163f@default> <000901bfb22f$7dbe6520$5162183f@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David.. brad probably wants a fast and intelligent answer.. :-) but as we all know, this list is a great resource.. David Ross wrote: > try netnews.msn.com > > Why ask here instead of emailing the MSN tech people, whom you have > already paid for this > help service? > > - David R. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brad Burean" > To: "Think" > Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 11:40 AM > Subject: Help yet again. > > I can't remeber how to configure MSN to get news > groups. Can someone let me know, I know it's > ????.msn.com, I tried news but that don't work > > Thanks again > > Brad > Boogerware Inc. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 30 11:50:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA09487 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:50:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19738; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:50:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19605; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19588; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:50:21 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-391.gate.net [199.227.131.200]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA59190; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:49:19 -0400 Message-ID: <390C5643.C83858B9@gate.net> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:50:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: Jimmy , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: missing operating system References: <3.0.6.32.20000429044800.0083fdd0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The recovery CD might not be bootable.. try changing the boot sequence to FLOPPY, CD, HDD in that order.. Mark Bell wrote: > At 06:48 PM 04/28/2000 -1000, Jimmy wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy To: > >thinhpad@cs.utk.edu Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 6:39 PM Subject: > >missing operating system > > My thinkpad 385XD set crash,i tried to recover the old 95,i change > >the boot sequence to cd rom first then i put in the recovery disc.After > >that nothing boot up everthing gone,the screen came on thinkpan on > >,after the thinkpad screen only missing operatingsystem show on the left > >top coner. No matter what i did nothing came on eveni put the > >recovery boot cdrom flopp in no luck,then i try to put the recovery cd in > >on and off same thing no luck. Anyone has any idea please help. > >Thanks Jimmy > > > > Format a disk on another system with Windows 95 "format a: /s" to make > the disk bootable. Copy sys.com to the disk from the c:\windows\command > directory. Boot the floppy on the 385XD system. type "sys c:" at the a: > prompt. Manually verify that command.com is in the root dir of your system. > Reboot. > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 30 11:53:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA09505 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:53:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20718; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:53:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:53:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20628; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20595; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:53:36 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-391.gate.net [199.227.131.200]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA121656; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:52:32 -0400 Message-ID: <390C5703.5AE84919@gate.net> Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:53:39 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominique Pivard CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint Keyboards References: <200004291119.OAA18502@mail.clinet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I HAVE one of those kjeyboards.. (its not the keyboards fault that i can't type!) it is EXCELLENT..! the only problem is its a bit too big for my personal taste.. i prefer the mini keyboard.. but both this one and the mini keyboard have a mouse port in the back of the keyboard.. :-) in fact, i would love to get another of these.. who/where is this guy who is selling them..?? Dominique Pivard wrote: > When I asked Ron one month ago, he told me they are manufactured by > Maxiswitch. Are they however IBM-branded? That would seem surprising, > given the extremely attractive price. > > -Dominique > > On Sat, 29 Apr 2000 at 05:59 AM you, "Jim Biggerstaff" , > said: > > >Ron's are IBM branded/retail boxed. > > >-jim -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Apr 30 13:07:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA09763 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:07:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07765; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:06:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07634; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:06:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07597; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:06:38 -0400 Received: from tp466 ([12.79.40.51]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000430170636.SOMA27191.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@tp466> for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 17:06:36 +0000 Message-ID: <001701bfb2c6$7964a150$33284f0c@tp466> From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: References: <200004291119.OAA18502@mail.clinet.fi> <390C5703.5AE84919@gate.net> Subject: Re: Trackpoint Keyboards Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 13:06:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > > who/where is this guy who is selling them..?? > > > This fella was advertising these in the laptop newsgroup about six weeks > > ago, and I purchased a keyboard from him which I am very happy > with. YMMV, > > of course. His email address is axxxion@gis.net. I don't know if he > still > > has any available. --jim > > > > > > > > Here's the ad that was posted to comp.sys.laptops: > > > > > ========================================================================= > > > > These are genuine IBM Trackpoint ll keyboards in retail boxes. These > > are the ones with the little eraser(comes with 3 spares) like head in > > between the G_H on the keyboard, which is the mouse control, and the > > left and right push buttons are just below the space bar. I have seen > > these for sale anywhere from $112-$224 EA. These have 101 keys and a 6 > > foot cable for the keyboard and mouse each utilising 6 pin > > mini-DIN(PS/2 style) connectors. Built-in 17-key numeric keypad. They > > are completely mechanical(Buckling-spring technology) with ergonomic > > tactile and audio feedback as well as adjustable feet. You can feel > > the quality of this keyboard as soon as you press a key. They also > > come with a gender extension adapter for use with an IBM thinkpad. > > These are IBM part#13H6705. The retail white box weighs 6 LBS. > > > > $35.00EA shipping extra... > > > > Thankyou, > > > > Ron(978)-532-3337 From cph Sun Apr 30 16:26:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA10370 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 16:26:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15827; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 16:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 16:24:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15632; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 16:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15611; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 16:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 16:24:20 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-4.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.4]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA04480 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:24:17 +0300 Message-Id: <200004302024.XAA04480@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 23:24:18 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <390C5703.5AE84919@gate.net> Subject: Re: Trackpoint Keyboards X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19 List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 at 11:53 AM you, Bill Morrow , said: >it is EXCELLENT..! >the only problem is its a bit too big for my personal taste.. i prefer >the mini keyboard.. >but both this one and the mini keyboard have a mouse port in the back of >the keyboard.. :-) OK, it's only now I realize there are two trackpoint keyboards, normal and mini. I thought the one being offered was the mini, but apparently it's not the case. I bought the Unicomp model (it's definitely mini) and it's really great (but cost three times as much ...) >in fact, i would love to get another of these.. >who/where is this guy who is selling them..?? All I know about him is that his name is Ron Axelrod and he's located in Peabody, MA. The phone number and email address are in the original ad Jim reposted. HTH, Dominique From cph Sun Apr 30 18:27:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10914 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:27:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20061; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:26:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19959; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flex.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19943; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flex.com (206.126.0.13 -> flex.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 18:26:21 -0400 Received: from jimmyp8uetdmhk (cvx-234.flex.com [207.12.8.234]) by flex.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA03768; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:26:14 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001101bfb2f3$633136f0$ea080ccf@jimmyp8uetdmhk> From: "jimmy" To: , "Mark Bell" Cc: References: <3.0.6.32.20000429044800.0083fdd0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <390C5643.C83858B9@gate.net> Subject: Re: missing operating system Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 12:28:17 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi Bill Thanks for your help,i didmake a mistake on the boot sequence.I changed it back to the correct and it can read the floppy and cdrom,but when it went to recovery for a while it show error (error while unpacking image)and then stop.I 've call IBM and they said they eill send me another recovery disk.Hope the new one will work. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morrow" To: "Mark Bell" Cc: "Jimmy" ; Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 5:50 AM Subject: Re: missing operating system > The recovery CD might not be bootable.. > > try changing the boot sequence to FLOPPY, CD, HDD in that order.. > > Mark Bell wrote: > > > At 06:48 PM 04/28/2000 -1000, Jimmy wrote: > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy To: > > >thinhpad@cs.utk.edu Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 6:39 PM Subject: > > >missing operating system > > > My thinkpad 385XD set crash,i tried to recover the old 95,i change > > >the boot sequence to cd rom first then i put in the recovery disc.After > > >that nothing boot up everthing gone,the screen came on thinkpan on > > >,after the thinkpad screen only missing operatingsystem show on the left > > >top coner. No matter what i did nothing came on eveni put the > > >recovery boot cdrom flopp in no luck,then i try to put the recovery cd in > > >on and off same thing no luck. Anyone has any idea please help. > > >Thanks Jimmy > > > > > > > Format a disk on another system with Windows 95 "format a: /s" to make > > the disk bootable. Copy sys.com to the disk from the c:\windows\command > > directory. Boot the floppy on the 385XD system. type "sys c:" at the a: > > prompt. Manually verify that command.com is in the root dir of your system. > > Reboot. > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > > Network and System consultation and installation > > -------------------------------------------------- > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > From cph Sun Apr 30 20:48:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA11409 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:48:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25450; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:47:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25339; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA25326; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.airmail.net (206.66.12.40 -> mail.airmail.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:47:50 -0400 Received: from jbdesk from [207.136.60.75] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.438) with smtp for sender: id ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:47:48 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003201bfb306$b976a780$0100a8c0@jbdesk> Reply-To: "John Black @ airmail.net" From: "John Black @ airmail.net" To: Subject: TP760CD & Dock II Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:46:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01BFB2DC.CF8C7060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BFB2DC.CF8C7060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone ever have any success in using a 760CD with a Dock II and a ISA = Etherjet adapter, at one point I did have it up and running with win95b, = but now I am trying to get at it with NT4sp3. I can go out to the ThinkPad Configuration menu and see that the Dock is = not tagged, just selecting it will not tag it. The ThinkPad utility = does not seem to recognize that the dock is there, I suspect because = something is not quite straight up with the hardware configuration = within NT. Any help would be appreciated. TIA John=20 mailto:jblack1@airmail.net ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BFB2DC.CF8C7060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Anyone ever have any success in using a 760CD with a = Dock II=20 and a ISA Etherjet adapter, at one point I did have it up and running = with=20 win95b, but now I am trying to get at it with NT4sp3.
 
I can go out to the ThinkPad Configuration menu and = see that=20 the Dock is not tagged,  just selecting it will not tag it.  = The=20 ThinkPad utility does not seem to recognize that the dock is there, I = suspect=20 because something is not quite straight up with the hardware = configuration=20 within NT.
 
Any help would be appreciated.
TIA
John
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------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BFB2DC.CF8C7060-- From cph Sun Apr 30 22:37:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA12085 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:37:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29736; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:34:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29532; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.69.128.247.on.wave.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29514; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.69.128.247.on.wave.home.com (24.69.128.247 -> 24.69.128.247.on.wave.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:34:52 -0400 Received: from ratross ([10.1.1.27]) by 24.69.128.247.on.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA01026 for ; Sun, 30 Apr 2000 20:47:56 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kate@bored.lexxdog.com) Message-ID: <016a01bfb315$c7183200$1b01010a@ati.com> From: "kate" To: References: <003201bfb306$b976a780$0100a8c0@jbdesk> Subject: thinkpad 390x Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 22:34:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I just picked up a thinkpad 390x. The trackpoint seems to freeze for a few seconds now and again. The win98 device manager doesn't show any device conflicts. Anyone have any ideas? Kate
 the apps running = as it doesn't bring over registry = data.