From cph Mon May 1 00:21:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA12500 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 00:21:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03514; Mon, 1 May 2000 00:20:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 00:19:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03393; Mon, 1 May 2000 00:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03373; Mon, 1 May 2000 00:19:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 00:19:08 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.216.236]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000501041858.FUIU12683.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Mon, 1 May 2000 04:18:58 +0000 Message-ID: <390D05AC.913A989B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 00:18:52 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kate CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: thinkpad 390x References: <003201bfb306$b976a780$0100a8c0@jbdesk> <016a01bfb315$c7183200$1b01010a@ati.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > > I just picked up a thinkpad 390x. The trackpoint seems to freeze for a few > seconds now and again. The win98 device manager doesn't show any device > conflicts. Anyone have any ideas? Take your finger off the track point- it will clear. Birger From cph Mon May 1 09:27:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA14562 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 09:27:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26946; Mon, 1 May 2000 09:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 09:25:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26835; Mon, 1 May 2000 09:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26821; Mon, 1 May 2000 09:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 09:25:45 -0400 Received: by PORKCHOP with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 1 May 2000 08:29:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'kate'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: thinkpad 390x Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 08:29:34 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I would suspect a possible interrupt conflict. Does the same thing happen with an external mouse plugged in? If so, then I would say it's an interrupt. Greg -----Original Message----- From: kate [mailto:kate@bored.lexxdog.com] Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 9:34 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: thinkpad 390x I just picked up a thinkpad 390x. The trackpoint seems to freeze for a few seconds now and again. The win98 device manager doesn't show any device conflicts. Anyone have any ideas? 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Readers in other countries should contact >IBM locally for details. >____________________________________________________ > > > From cph Mon May 1 12:02:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15765 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:02:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10677; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 11:58:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10474; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10459; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (38.8.20.2 -> relay20.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 11:58:39 -0400 Received: from [204.215.186.11] (helo=ntmail.doble.com) by relay20.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 12mIYz-0000rf-00; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:58:34 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:30:39 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Dominique Pivard'" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Trackpoint Keyboards Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 11:30:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Wow it is a small world. Ron Axelrod does the local computer shows in the area and I have seen the keyboards, they are full size and black in color. Look neat. Months ago I bought a white? or ivory? IBM brand keyboard from him for my newly built computer for $25 (I think). It is made by Lexmark for IBM and carries Part # 52G9658 (FRU #92F0332). No Trackpoint but is the same color as my new built system. He was at yesterday's (Sunday) show up in Portsmouth, NH and I almost got another keyboard because I like the keyboard (It makes the keyclick sound without help from the computer sound system). 73 Eric ecottrell@shore.net WB1HBU -----Original Message----- From: Dominique Pivard [mailto:domi@kenavo.fi] Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 3:24 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Trackpoint Keyboards All I know about him is that his name is Ron Axelrod and he's located in Peabody, MA. The phone number and email address are in the original ad Jim reposted. HTH, Dominique From cph Mon May 1 12:07:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15840 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:07:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11318; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 12:06:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11235; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11222; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (207.181.194.97 -> oberon.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 12:06:48 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by oberon.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA81407 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 09:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from think2k (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA16654 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 09:06:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003a01bfb387$66e3df70$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: New ThinkPads are on the IBM site... Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:07:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/moreabout.html Drool...... -- David Taylor From cph Mon May 1 13:05:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA16344 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:05:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16726; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 13:03:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16565; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mickey.ee.pdx.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16551; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mickey.ee.pdx.edu (131.252.208.42 -> mickey.ee.pdx.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 13:03:06 -0400 Received: from apollo.ee.pdx.edu (pitakc@apollo.ee.pdx.edu [131.252.209.43]) by mickey.ee.pdx.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA14101 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:03:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Pitak Chenkosol Received: (from pitakc@localhost) by apollo.ee.pdx.edu (8.8.6/8.8.5) id KAA28673 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 1 May 2000 10:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005011703.KAA28673@apollo.ee.pdx.edu> Subject: Re: New ThinkPads are on the IBM site... To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:03:01 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <003a01bfb387$66e3df70$0311a8c0@detayls.com> from "David W. Taylor" at May 01, 2000 09:07:51 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Which video chipset does IBM use in the new A and T series Thinkpads? Thanks for the info. Pitak > > http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/moreabout.html > > Drool...... > -- > David Taylor > > > From cph Mon May 1 13:37:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA16604 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:37:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19208; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 13:35:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19104; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19068; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 13:35:48 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-25.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.25]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA08109 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 20:35:45 +0300 Message-Id: <200005011735.UAA08109@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 20:35:46 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: New ThinkPads & OS/2? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19 List-Unsubscribe: The Device Driver File Matrix pages for the new ThinkPads don't sound too promising for those of us who are using OS/2: A20: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4JSQHA.html T20: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4JSQHB.html The A20 page specifically lists OS/2 as not supported. The T20 page doesn't say OS/2 isn't supported, but it doesn't list it as supported either. I guess we have to hope the video/audio/PCMCIA hardware used in these machines is not too exotic so that OS/2 support can be added even without IBM's official help. -Dominique From cph Mon May 1 13:42:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA16647 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:42:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19978; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 13:41:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19866; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mur3.odyssey.on.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19839; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:41:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mur3.odyssey.on.ca (209.213.224.2 -> mur3.odyssey.on.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 13:41:10 -0400 Received: from odyssey.on.ca (ts1-8.odyssey.on.ca [209.213.227.8]) by mur3.odyssey.on.ca (8.9.1/Odyssey) with ESMTP id NAA18972; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <390DC12D.2303C280@odyssey.on.ca> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:38:53 -0400 From: Dave X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominique Pivard CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New ThinkPads & OS/2? References: <200005011735.UAA08109@mail.clinet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: What I read in the IBM advanced release was that Warp 3.0 was not supported.... no mention of Warp 4. Dave Dominique Pivard wrote: > The Device Driver File Matrix pages for the new ThinkPads don't sound too > promising for those of us who are using OS/2: > > A20: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4JSQHA.html > > T20: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4JSQHB.html > > The A20 page specifically lists OS/2 as not supported. The T20 page > doesn't say OS/2 isn't supported, but it doesn't list it as supported > either. > > I guess we have to hope the video/audio/PCMCIA hardware used in these > machines is not too exotic so that OS/2 support can be added even without > IBM's official help. > > -Dominique From cph Mon May 1 14:43:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17209 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:43:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28562; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 14:41:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28407; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28375; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 14:41:42 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-42.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.42]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA04937 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000501144257.014296c0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 14:42:57 -0700 To: "ThinkPad List" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: New ThinkPads are on the IBM site... In-Reply-To: <003a01bfb387$66e3df70$0311a8c0@detayls.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:07 AM 05/01/2000 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: >http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/moreabout.html > >Drool...... Whoa.... So far so good when reading about the A series Thinkpads. Finally, IBM offered modem/network functionality built in. I have three concerns: #1. Video chipset? (It does say they have 16megs) I am hoping for S3s 3D chipset since it smacks around the venerable ATI Rage 3D portable chipset. #2. Case design and finish (It looks like the i series) #3. 1400x1050 resolution. I try to match my desktop resolution(s) to my notebook. I kept my desktop @ 1024x768 until I got my 770z and went with 1280x1024. At least IBM is matching Dell right now for resolutions. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon May 1 14:52:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17291 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:52:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29357; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 14:50:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29283; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29259; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:49:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 14:50:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA60679 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 08:49:58 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 08:49:58 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: ThinkPad List Subject: IBM Introduces the ThinkPad A Series and ThinkPad T Series Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: May 1, 2000 09:06 AM Eastern Time RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK, N.C.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--May 1, 2000-- Designed to Simplify and Enhance the Mobile Computing Experience IBM today announced the next generation of ThinkPad(R) notebooks designed to enhance and simplify the mobile computing experience. The innovative IBM ThinkPad A Series and ThinkPad T Series provide extensive improvements >from new Titanium Composite materials to one-touch IBM help and information. "We have raised the bar in mobile computing by creating a simpler experience for users and an easier platform for information technology professionals to manage," said Adalio Sanchez, general manager, IBM Mobile Computing. "When designing these new ThinkPad lines, IBM focused on usability features, like our ThinkPad Button and Access ThinkPad Portal, while still delivering the power and performance our customers have come to expect." The IBM ThinkPad A Series and IBM ThinkPad T Series continue to build on the IBM tradition of innovation and design leadership. The computers incorporate weight-reducing Titanium Composite materials and a host of new ease-of-use features including common swappable components and built-in ports for modem and LAN connections. These new notebooks help keep users connected with a range of options including wireless solutions. Plus, IBM?s renowned service and support are now even more convenient with the new ThinkPad Button, a tool that simplifies access to online and on-system information, resources and help. IBM has simplified its ThinkPad product lineup and changed the naming scheme to connote the experience of the product. The "A" indicates that it is an alternative to a desktop computer, while the "T" indicates it is a 'thin-and-light' notebook. The currently available ThinkPad 390 models are transitioning to the new ThinkPad A20m. Likewise, the ThinkPad 770 models are transitioning to the high-performance ThinkPad A20p, and the ThinkPad 600 is transitioning to the new ThinkPad T20. "IBM continues to provide a leadership role in mobile computing with these next generation products" said Tim Bajarin, president of Creative Strategies. "The commonality of components and the addition wireless technology is greatly desired within the IT community, yet should be of high interest to anyone who wants to buy a next generation laptop." Chubb Computer Services, based in Parsippany, New Jersey, is one of the first large customers to select the new IBM ThinkPads. Chubb Computer Services is transitioning from traditional desktop PCs to the ThinkPads and will use the ThinkPads as part of its education training programs. "We are installing laptop units in all of our curriculum in order to enhance the student experience and chose the IBM ThinkPad A20 because of its engineering and technical merits," said Tom Martin, vice president of shared services of Chubb Computer Services. "In addition to the price/performance selection, IBM also offered us a number of support services resulting in a true partnership to help us with the logistics of managing through 10,000 new laptops per year." The new models offer a broad range of products, for users and businesses of all sizes, and are available directly from IBM via the Internet at http://www.ibm.com/pc/us/thinkpad or via phone at 1-888-SHOP-IBM. The new ThinkPads are also available through IBM Business Partners. Consistent with IBM's EoN (Edge-of-Network) strategy, to simplify the computing experience for end-users and IT managers, ThinkPad continues to lead the way in delivering enhancements, innovations and solutions that have shaped and defined the mobile computing category, including: - Titanium Composite Covers -- Increased strength for protection Titanium has been used for aerospace, orthopedics and sporting equipment because of its high strength and low density. Titanium has natural dampening effect on vibrations and shocks. The new ThinkPad A20p and T20 come with Titanium Composite material as part of its Carbon Fiber Reinforced Plastic cover, adding strength (1). The use of Titanium Composite has helped IBM to create some of the industry's thinnest and lightest systems with large displays (up to 15 inches). - ThinkPad Button -- Easily access information, services and solutions With a touch of the new ThinkPad Button, users can access instant help and support through the Access ThinkPad portal. Access ThinkPad includes an on-system tool with a quick search engine that provides users information on things like optimizing battery life, or an animated tutorial on how to change a Mini PCI card. It also provides access to online information including the new ThinkPad Community Web page, an interactive information center where users can get help by asking an IBM expert or from each other in the user forum. Designed with flexibility, the Access ThinkPad portal can be customized by IT managers to configure the ThinkPad Button to link to their company's intranet or help desk on the online side and the on-system ThinkPad Assistant tool can be customized by adding company information. - Ultrabay (TM) 2000 -- Fast-swap a range of common devices Users can share standard and optional Ultrabay 2000 devices between ThinkPad A Series and T Series notebooks. The Ultrabay 2000 was designed to enable the user to swap devices, without having to move the system. Devices for the new Ultrabay 2000 include CD-Read/Write ($389), DVD-ROM ($299), SuperDisk (LS-120) drive ($195), CD-ROM ($125) second hard drive (requires optional second HDD adapter, starting at $289) or second battery ($189). The new ThinkPad Dock also accepts Ultrabay 2000 devices. - Common Docking Solutions -- Robust, space-saving design IBM introduces a simplified dock and port replication solution for the entire line of ThinkPad A Series and T Series notebooks. The new, sleek line of simplified docking solutions provide robust functionality and save valuable desk space. The new ThinkPad Port Replicator ($149) provides cable management. The new ThinkPad Dock ($499) provides cable management plus expansion capability in a small 12.5" x 7.7" x 2.6 footprint. Both solutions work with the ThinkPad A Series and T Series and come with integrated RJ-45 and RJ-11 ports that allow for one-step pass-through for network and/or modem connectivity from the notebook.(2) - UltraPort (TM) connector -- Location-centric port for multiple uses The UltraPort connector on the ThinkPad T20 and A20p enhances usability of features because its location on the top edge of the display. It is designed to be used with the optional UltraPort Camera ($99) to capture still images or add video to e-mail. To simplify device connectivity and remove the need for cables, IBM is planning to announce a Bluetooth (TM) wireless technology communication solution for the ThinkPad UltraPort connector in the second half of 2000. - Communications Bay -- Versatile connectivity Users can connect easily with built-in RJ-45 and RJ-11 ports and the versatile user-accessible Communications Bay, which accommodates industry-standard Mini PCI cards. Users can enable either the on-board RJ-11 or RJ-45 ports to use at home or in the office. Models are available with either an IBM 10/100 EtherJet Mini PCI adapter with 56K (3) modem or 56K modem Mini PCI card. - Wireless Communications -- Simplified connectivity The new ThinkPad A Series and T Series can work easily with the new optional 802.11b IBM High Rate Wireless LAN PC Card ($179) and Access Point ($999) and future Bluetooth technology options. (This new wireless LAN solution also works with current ThinkPad notebooks.) - Comfort Features ThinkLight (TM) -- Located on the top edge of the display, this tiny LED shines down on the keyboard so users can keep working in low light conditions Individual Volume Control -- push button controls for up, down and mute IBM Keyboard -- The new ThinkPad feature IBM's renowned full-sized, full-stroke keys, ergonomically designed palm rest and IBM's TrackPoint pointing device with Internet Scroll Bar and magnifying functions to help users breeze through spreadsheets and Web pages. Easy Open Cover -- The cover has been re-designed so users can unlatch and open the notebook with one hand. ThinkPad A Series -- The desktop alternative The ThinkPad A Series is comprised of broad range of notebooks from the most affordable to ultimate high-performance models with exceptional graphics features. Prices start at $1,799 (4). With a travel weight starting at 5.9 pounds (5), the easy-to-use entry ThinkPad A20m offers a wide range of affordable models with an Mobile Intel(R) Pentium(R) III processor at 700MHz (6) or 500MHz or a Mobile Intel Celeron (TM) processor at 500MHz, 64MB RAM (upgradable to 512MB), hard drive up to 12GB (7) TFT display up to 15 inches and battery life up to 3.7 hours (8). The high-end ThinkPad A20p incorporates exceptional graphics performance including: the ATI Rage (TM) Mobility 128 video chip, 16MB VRAM, S-video in and out ports for video capture and playback; MGI VideoWave III video editing software; DVI support via docking; an Intel Mobile Pentium III processor at 700MHz featuring Intel Speetep (TM) technology; 128MB RAM (upgradable to 512MB); 18GB hh SXGA Plus (1400x1050) display; all in a 1.5-inch (4) profile. ThinkPad T Series -- The leading thin-and-light offering The 4.6-pound ThinkPad T20 notebook is the lightest(a) notebook with a 14.1-inch display. Prices start at $3,099. With a 1.3-inch thin profile and up to 4-hours of battery life, the ThinkPad T20 is ideal to take on the road. It is powered by an Intel Mobile Pentium III processor at 700MHz or 650MHz featuring SpeedStep technology, with 128MB of RAM (upgradable to 512MB) and 8MB of VRAM. The ThinkPad T20 is available with 14.1-inch or 13.3-inch XGA display, 6GB or 12GB hard disk drive and are available with DVD-ROM or CD-ROM standard. ThinkPad A Series and T Series systems are available preloaded with either Microsoft (R) Windows 98 or Windows 2000, and they support Windows 95, Windows NT 4.0 (9). The ThinkPad T20 also supports OS/2 (R) Warp V4. For more information, please visit http://www.ibm.com/pc/us/thinkpad or call 800-426-7255, ext. 4751. 1) Titanium Composite Carbon Fiber Reinforced Plastic has three times the strength of ABS plastic as tested by IBM using the high flex modules test on 2/28/00. 2) For network connection, modem/LAN combo Mini PCI card must be installed in the notebook's Communication Bay. 3) These 56K modems are desigd to be capable of receiving data up to 56Kbps from compatible service providers, and transmitting data up to about 31.2Kbps. Public networks current limit maximum download speeds to about 53Kbps. Actual speeds depend of many factors and vary and are often less than the maximum. 4) IBM purchase price; does not include tax, shipping and is subject to change without notice. 5) Includes battery and travel bezel option (purchased separately). Weight/thickness may vary due to vendor components, manufacturing process and options. 6) MHz only measures microprocessor internal cloformance. Many factors affect application performance. For Mobile Intel Pentium III processors feaStep technology, this denotes maximum performance mode; battery optimization mode is approximately 80% of maximum performance mode. 7) GB equals one billion bytes when referring to hard disk drive capacity. Accessible capacity may vary. 8) Results based on ZD benchmark test. Battery life will vary based on many factors including screen brightness, applications, features, battery conditioning, power management and other customer preferences. 9) Not all are full feature functionality. (a) Based on comparisons with the following models, as of 4/4/00: Compaq Armada M700, Dell L8100, Hewlett Packard OmniBook 4150, NEC Versa SX, Acer TravelMate 730, Apple PowerBook and Gateway Solo 9300. All prices and terms are for the USA only. IBM and ThinkPad are registered trademarks of International Business Machines. Microsoft, Windows, Windows NT and Windows 2000 are trademarks of Microsoft Corporation. Other company, product and service names may be trademarks or service marks of their respective owners. CONTACT: IBM, New York Lisa Kaslyn, 212/745-3110 From cph Mon May 1 15:00:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17415 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:00:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00370; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 14:59:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00259; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00236; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.241 -> mta5.snfc21.pbi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 14:59:20 -0400 Received: from chuck ([63.198.206.71]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FTW00CSB9ZVLL@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 1 May 2000 11:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 11:57:19 -0700 From: Chuck Blaisdell Subject: "Speakerphone" software To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Message-id: <390D711F.6049.3940292@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal List-Unsubscribe: I always loved the "speakerphone" software that came with my old 701 (a version of FaxWorks?). Anybody know of a free/cheap "speakerphone/answering machine" software that would work with a 600E? TIA Chuck Blaisdell From cph Mon May 1 15:09:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17506 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:09:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01553; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:08:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 15:08:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01462; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01447; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 15:08:11 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-42.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.42]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA23598 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:08:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000501150927.0142ea90@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:09:27 -0700 To: ThinkPad List From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: IBM Introduces the ThinkPad A Series and ThinkPad T Series In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: >IBM has simplified its ThinkPad product lineup and changed the naming >scheme to connote the experience of the product. The "A" indicates that it >is an alternative to a desktop computer, while the "T" indicates it is a >'thin-and-light' notebook. The currently available ThinkPad 390 models are >transitioning to the new ThinkPad A20m. Likewise, the ThinkPad 770 models >are transitioning to the high-performance ThinkPad A20p, and the ThinkPad >600 is transitioning to the new ThinkPad T20. So I guess we can totally say goodbye to the 770 series and get ready to cast off the 600 series? This is our future for IBM selections. I can't wait to order a A20P and play with it, er, um, set one up for a client. :) >The high-end ThinkPad A20p incorporates exceptional graphics performance >including: the ATI Rage (TM) Mobility 128 video chip, 16MB VRAM, S-video >in and out ports for video capture and playback; MGI VideoWave III video >editing software; DVI support via docking; an Intel Mobile Pentium III >processor at 700MHz featuring Intel Speetep (TM) technology; 128MB RAM >(upgradable to 512MB); 18GB hh SXGA Plus (1400x1050) display; all in a >1.5-inch (4) profile. Crap, IBM went with the aging ATI chipset....I would have definitely prefered S3's new chipset used in the Toshiba 8100 series. :( Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon May 1 15:15:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17554 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:15:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02175; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 15:14:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02092; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer3.mail.vanderbilt.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02060; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:14:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer3.mail.vanderbilt.edu (129.59.1.213 -> mailer3.mail.Vanderbilt.Edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 15:14:19 -0400 Received: from ci1001369a (A061132.N1.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.61.132]) by mailer3.mail.vanderbilt.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1/VU-3.0.3+maxmessagesize) with SMTP id OAA13228 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:14:16 -0500 (CDT) From: "Ruby Lestari" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: IBM Introduces the ThinkPad A Series and ThinkPad T Series Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:07:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000501150927.0142ea90@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: >The high-end ThinkPad A20p incorporates exceptional graphics performance >including: the ATI Rage (TM) Mobility 128 video chip, 16MB VRAM, S-video >in and out ports for video capture and playback; MGI VideoWave III video >editing software; DVI support via docking; an Intel Mobile Pentium III >processor at 700MHz featuring Intel Speetep (TM) technology; 128MB RAM >(upgradable to 512MB); 18GB hh SXGA Plus (1400x1050) display; all in a >1.5-inch (4) profile. Crap, IBM went with the aging ATI chipset....I would have definitely prefered S3's new chipset used in the Toshiba 8100 series. :( True.... Boo for IBM for choosing the aging ATI chipset..>!! They should have done better....!! I'm so disappointed. ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon May 1 15:26:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17675 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:26:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03071; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:21:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 15:21:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02972; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02951; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 15:21:36 -0400 Received: by PORKCHOP with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:25:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: New ThinkPad Availability Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 14:25:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Just went looking around on IBM's web site and noted that the A20's (and maybe the T20's) are "In Stock As of 5/1/2000". I find that out of character for IBM. I called IBM and the guy I talked to didn't seem to hardly even know what the A20 was, and after stumbling around said they weren't expecting them for a month. I also noted that none of the accessories are listed yet. Anyone have any ideas? Greg From cph Mon May 1 15:26:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17680 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:26:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02650; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 15:18:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02570; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:18:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02553; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 15:18:23 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id OAA10733 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:18:21 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.185.103]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id OAA10713 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:18:20 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000501151757.014afe20@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:17:57 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: New ThinkPads are on the IBM site... In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000501144257.014296c0@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> References: <003a01bfb387$66e3df70$0311a8c0@detayls.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:42 PM 05/01/2000 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: >#2. Case design and finish (It looks like the i series) > I asked about the case and finish and was told that it would not seem different as they still had the "peachskin" feel. Jane From cph Mon May 1 15:34:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17777 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:34:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03998; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 15:32:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03875; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03851; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 15:32:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA61541; Mon, 1 May 2000 09:32:11 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 09:32:11 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Mark Bell cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: IBM Introduces the ThinkPad A Series and ThinkPad T Series In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000501150927.0142ea90@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 1 May 2000, Mark Bell wrote: > >IBM has simplified its ThinkPad product lineup and changed the naming > >scheme to connote the experience of the product. The "A" indicates that it > >is an alternative to a desktop computer, while the "T" indicates it is a > >'thin-and-light' notebook. The currently available ThinkPad 390 models are > >transitioning to the new ThinkPad A20m. Likewise, the ThinkPad 770 models > >are transitioning to the high-performance ThinkPad A20p, and the ThinkPad > >600 is transitioning to the new ThinkPad T20. > > So I guess we can totally say goodbye to the 770 series and get ready to > cast off the 600 series? This is our future for IBM selections. I can't > wait to order a A20P and play with it, er, um, set one up for a client. :) Heh, actually I like the old numbering scheme betterthan the new one. > >The high-end ThinkPad A20p incorporates exceptional graphics performance > >including: the ATI Rage (TM) Mobility 128 video chip, 16MB VRAM, S-video > >in and out ports for video capture and playback; MGI VideoWave III video > >editing software; DVI support via docking; an Intel Mobile Pentium III > >processor at 700MHz featuring Intel Speetep (TM) technology; 128MB RAM > >(upgradable to 512MB); 18GB hh SXGA Plus (1400x1050) display; all in a > >1.5-inch (4) profile. > > Crap, IBM went with the aging ATI chipset....I would have definitely > prefered S3's new chipset used in the Toshiba 8100 series. :( Hmmm, is the ATI really that bad? I would prefer the Matrox G400 or even the upcoming G450 =) Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Mon May 1 15:39:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17827 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:39:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04589; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 15:36:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04454; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04403; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 15:36:44 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a13.pm3-15.theriver.com [208.164.96.77]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1DF825F87; Mon, 1 May 2000 12:34:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <390DDC17.77B4B0F9@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 12:33:43 -0700 From: Ray Bayles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell Cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: IBM Introduces the ThinkPad A Series and ThinkPad T Series References: <3.0.6.32.20000501150927.0142ea90@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I had been told by an IBM "agent" at ShopIBM that the 600 and the 770 had "...reached the end of their product cycles..." that the 770 would be difficult to get at all... but that the 600 would be around until perhaps September or October. She also said the A and T series would be difficult to get initially because the first orders would go to special departments of the government, and to regular big corporate purchasers who had a long history with IBM... Order now and expect one in three to six weeks, she said... but it will depend on the orders from big customers. Ray From cph Mon May 1 15:39:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17833 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:39:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04571; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:36:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 15:36:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04417; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04380; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 15:36:42 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id OAA20416 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:36:41 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.185.103]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id OAA20412 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 14:36:41 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000501153617.014bbd00@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:36:17 -0400 To: ThinkPad List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: IBM Introduces the ThinkPad A Series and ThinkPad T Series In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000501150927.0142ea90@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:09 PM 05/01/2000 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: >So I guess we can totally say goodbye to the 770 series and get ready to >cast off the 600 series? This is our future for IBM selections. > Yep. The 770 has been gone since December, and the 600 is on its way out. Jane From cph Mon May 1 15:52:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA17935 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:52:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06054; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 15:50:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05885; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05872; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 15:50:19 -0400 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18958 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port72.magma.ca [209.217.123.72]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA01551 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 15:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005011950.PAA01551@mail4.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 15:49:01 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM Introduces the ThinkPad A Series and ThinkPad T Series List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 1 May 2000 08:49:58 -1000 (HST), Vincent Poy wrote: >- Ultrabay (TM) 2000 -- Fast-swap a range of common >devices >Users can share standard and optional Ultrabay 2000 >devices between ThinkPad A Series and T Series >notebooks. The Ultrabay 2000 was designed to enable >the user to swap devices, without having to move >the system. Does this mean any UltraSlimBay devices will be dead weight? Guess I shouldn't invest in any more! >Devices for the new Ultrabay 2000 include >CD-Read/Write ($389), DVD-ROM ($299), SuperDisk >(LS-120) drive ($195), CD-ROM ($125) second hard >drive (requires optional second HDD adapter, starting >at $289) or second battery ($189). Hopefully that's a punctuation error, and it's the second HD that starts at $289, not the adapter! (My 600's adapter was ~C$50). >Users can connect easily with built-in RJ-45 and RJ-11 >ports and the versatile user-accessible Communications >Bay, which accommodates industry-standard Mini PCI cards. >Users can enable either the on-board RJ-11 or RJ-45 ports So built-in network? :) >Models are available with either an IBM 10/100 >EtherJet Mini PCI adapter with 56K (3) modem or >56K modem Mini PCI card. Or maybe not built-in? >Individual Volume Control -- push button controls for up, >down and mute Oh good, I don't have to wait until after the Windows start-up sound to turn down the volume? >ThinkPad T20 is available with 14.1-inch or 13.3-inch XGA >display, 6GB or 12GB hard disk drive and are available >with DVD-ROM or CD-ROM standard. Isn't XGA the 1024x768 that we've got now? And shouldn't the 14.1" display go to 1280x1024? Or at least support higher resolution on an external monitor when the LCD is off! 8Mb VRAM suggests something better! I notice they're much less generous with specs on the T20 than on the A20, I guess because they sound less impressive. andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Mon May 1 16:03:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18054 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:03:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07226; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 16:02:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07153; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07139; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:02:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.107 -> pilot007.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 16:02:20 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port10.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.11]) by pilot007.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA170280 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:02:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000501155520.00d32690@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 16:00:14 -0400 To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: New ThinkPad Availability In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: IBM is being forced to adopt the standards that most of the rest of the industry uses it seems, for announcements. Thats my take on this. Remember when IBM was quiet about everything until the last bit of documentation was ready, and then they made an announcement with fanfare, and nearly immediate product availability? I don't think we'll see much of that any more. I've had the same experience on queries on several IBM products now, where different pieces of the IBM organization just didn't know what the others knew. Worse still, some of these projected availability dates have slipped; an i series machine that a user of mine is waiting for slipped back a week and I still don't know when she'll get her unit. --STeve Andre' At 02:25 PM 5/1/00 -0500, Greg Langham wrote: >Just went looking around on IBM's web site and noted that the A20's (and >maybe the T20's) are "In Stock As of 5/1/2000". I find that out of character >for IBM. I called IBM and the guy I talked to didn't seem to hardly even >know what the A20 was, and after stumbling around said they weren't >expecting them for a month. > >I also noted that none of the accessories are listed yet. Anyone have any >ideas? > >Greg > From cph Mon May 1 16:09:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18131 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:09:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07744; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 16:08:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07669; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mana.pf (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07654; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mana.pf (202.3.225.102 -> smtp.mana.pf) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 16:08:01 -0400 Received: from vaianae (d4-149.sl.mana.pf [202.3.227.149]) by smtp.mana.pf (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA24181 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 21:10:11 -1000 Reply-To: From: "Jimmy E. Chanzi" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: New Thinkpads Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 10:07:42 -1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Yikes...I prefer the 770 look - really don't like the i series look. Also new docking station - well I guess I'll have to dump my 2 Selectadock IIIs. From cph Mon May 1 16:24:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18240 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:24:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08704; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 16:22:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08608; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08595; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 16:22:04 -0400 Received: from default - 63.27.185.243 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:22:02 -0700 Message-ID: <007101bfb3aa$6edf3f80$f3b91b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: Laptop needed Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 15:18:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Need a super cheap color laptop that can run win 95. Not much picky about anything else. Denis Hill if you have anything let me know. Brad PS MUST BE A THINKPAD. From cph Mon May 1 16:31:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18323 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:30:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09511; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 16:29:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09386; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:29:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09369; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 16:29:37 -0400 Received: from denhall (tc7-42.ismi.net [207.51.197.97]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id QAA29085; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <015401bfb3b4$83c871a0$81c533cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "Brad Burean" , "Think" Subject: Re: Laptop needed Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:30:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Brad, it's Denis Hall here to the rescue.... I've got a BUNCH of good cheapies.... sorry I'm slow to reply...been on Holiday... I'm checking inventory now... Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan 810.229.2881 (call me) -----Original Message----- From: Brad Burean To: Think Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:22 PM Subject: Laptop needed >Need a super cheap color laptop that can run >win 95. Not much picky about anything else. > >Denis Hill if you have anything let me know. > >Brad > >PS MUST BE A THINKPAD. > > > > > > > > > From cph Mon May 1 16:30:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18319 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:30:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09515; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 16:29:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09353; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09336; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 16:29:34 -0400 Received: from default (ali-ca5-82.ix.netcom.com [207.93.32.210]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA11046; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01bfb392$44a19320$d2205dcf@default> From: "A.J. Wells" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" , "Jane Loyless" Subject: Re: New ThinkPads are on the IBM site... Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:25:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Yes I've heard that the A20P and the T20 both have the carbon composite casing with Titanium in the lids... the lower end A20's have plastic cases Aj -----Original Message----- From: Jane Loyless To: ThinkPad Mailing List Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:18 PM Subject: Re: New ThinkPads are on the IBM site... >At 02:42 PM 05/01/2000 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: > >>#2. Case design and finish (It looks like the i series) >> > >I asked about the case and finish and was told that it would not seem >different as they still had the "peachskin" feel. > >Jane From cph Mon May 1 16:32:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18351 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:32:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09741; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 16:30:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09654; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09641; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 16:30:32 -0400 Received: from default (ali-ca5-82.ix.netcom.com [207.93.32.210]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA08318; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:30:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301bfb392$61bc7100$d2205dcf@default> From: "A.J. Wells" To: "Greg Langham" , Subject: Re: New ThinkPad Availability Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 13:26:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I just ordered an A20P and they told me middle of the month... I'll keep my fingers crossed Aj -----Original Message----- From: Greg Langham To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 3:21 PM Subject: New ThinkPad Availability >Just went looking around on IBM's web site and noted that the A20's (and >maybe the T20's) are "In Stock As of 5/1/2000". I find that out of character >for IBM. I called IBM and the guy I talked to didn't seem to hardly even >know what the A20 was, and after stumbling around said they weren't >expecting them for a month. > >I also noted that none of the accessories are listed yet. Anyone have any >ideas? > >Greg > > From cph Mon May 1 16:50:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18546 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:50:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11393; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 16:48:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11298; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11276; Mon, 1 May 2000 16:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 16:48:32 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a13.pm3-15.theriver.com [208.164.96.77]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79A7525DDD; Mon, 1 May 2000 13:48:27 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <390DED88.3507FDA1@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 13:48:08 -0700 From: Ray Bayles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: New ThinkPad Availability References: <4.3.1.0.20000501155520.00d32690@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I don't remember that at all... I do remember that when the 701 came out, it was a three month wait... when the 755 came out, it was a 6 week wait... When the 760 came out, it was a four month wait unless you belonged to the CIA or the Navy Seals... When the 770 came out, it was over two months before anybody on this list could get one. IBM hasn't been any better than any other manufacturer in my opinion. Ever! Ray From cph Mon May 1 17:12:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA18777 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:12:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13034; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 17:10:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12896; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:10:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12883; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.112 -> pilot012.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 17:10:20 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port10.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.11]) by pilot012.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA77006 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:10:13 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000501170629.00d7b750@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 17:08:14 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: New ThinkPad Availability In-Reply-To: <390DED88.3507FDA1@theriver.com> References: <4.3.1.0.20000501155520.00d32690@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Well, perhaps I've hit the items that IBM did have everything ready for. In my renumberings, laptops were just one thing. I'll still bet that IBM had a better than average track record in the past, but that its changed, now. STeve Andre' At 01:48 PM 5/1/00 -0700, Ray Bayles wrote: >I don't remember that at all... I do remember that when the 701 came >out, it was a three month wait... when the 755 came out, it was a 6 week >wait... When the 760 came out, it was a four month wait unless you >belonged to the CIA or the Navy Seals... When the 770 came out, it was >over two months before anybody on this list could get one. IBM hasn't >been any better than any other manufacturer in my opinion. Ever! > >Ray From cph Mon May 1 17:44:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA19066 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:44:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14908; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 17:41:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14784; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14771; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 17:41:56 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-12.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.12]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA04038 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 17:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000501174312.0132ab50@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 01 May 2000 17:43:12 -0700 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: New ThinkPad Availability In-Reply-To: <001301bfb392$61bc7100$d2205dcf@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:26 PM 05/01/2000 -0400, A.J. Wells wrote: >I just ordered an A20P and they told me middle of the month... I'll keep my >fingers crossed > >Aj Please make sure to post your review if and when you get it. :) What model do you currently use? What made you decide to order one? What impressed you? Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon May 1 19:56:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA19794 for ; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:56:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21686; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 1 May 2000 19:54:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21590; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21577; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 1 May 2000 19:54:02 -0400 Received: from default (ali-ca77-103.ix.netcom.com [209.110.238.231]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA29131; Mon, 1 May 2000 19:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000801bfb3ae$d5495ea0$e7ee6ed1@default> From: "A.J. Wells" To: , "Mark Bell" Subject: Re: New ThinkPad Availability Date: Mon, 1 May 2000 16:50:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I am currently an IBM PC300 desktop user and also use an old Toshiba Portege on occasion... recently I had a 600x for a month or so and sent it back because of a few bad pixels and a couple of other minor issues... I wanted an all in one design but I wanted the quality of the 600x... I really wanted a 390x with the design and build quality of the 600x and the A20P seems to be that... I actually didnt need the 700 mhz chip and was hoping they would do a version with the 500 mhz chip and the large screen... but I took the plunge anyway... I'm definately at the upper end of what I wanted to pay and am hoping the machine warrants it Aj -----Original Message----- From: Mark Bell To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Monday, May 01, 2000 5:42 PM Subject: Re: New ThinkPad Availability >At 01:26 PM 05/01/2000 -0400, A.J. Wells wrote: >>I just ordered an A20P and they told me middle of the month... I'll keep my >>fingers crossed >> >>Aj > >Please make sure to post your review if and when you get it. :) >What model do you currently use? What made you decide to >order one? What impressed you? > >Mark > > >------------------------------------------------- >Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting >800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 >Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 >Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net >------------------------------------------------- >Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic >RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. >Network and System consultation and installation >-------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue May 2 01:30:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA21677 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 01:30:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05297; Tue, 2 May 2000 01:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 01:28:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05201; Tue, 2 May 2000 01:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05188; Tue, 2 May 2000 01:28:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 01:28:18 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-178.gate.net [207.36.212.178]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA13734; Tue, 2 May 2000 01:28:09 -0400 Message-ID: <390E6778.83F17E49@gate.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:28:25 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jimmy CC: Mark Bell , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: missing operating system References: <3.0.6.32.20000429044800.0083fdd0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <390C5643.C83858B9@gate.net> <001101bfb2f3$633136f0$ea080ccf@jimmyp8uetdmhk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jimmy.. check your add in memory.. run the test in easy setup.. try the recovery with only the system mnemory.. on occasion marginal memory can cause this sort of error.. even otherwise good memory, but from different manufacturers.. :-) jimmy wrote: > Hi Bill > Thanks for your help,i didmake a mistake on the boot sequence.I changed it > back to the correct and it can read the floppy and cdrom,but when it went to > recovery for a while it show error (error while unpacking image)and then > stop.I 've call IBM and they said they eill send me another recovery > disk.Hope the new one will work. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Morrow" > To: "Mark Bell" > Cc: "Jimmy" ; > Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 5:50 AM > Subject: Re: missing operating system > > > The recovery CD might not be bootable.. > > > > try changing the boot sequence to FLOPPY, CD, HDD in that order.. > > > > Mark Bell wrote: > > > > > At 06:48 PM 04/28/2000 -1000, Jimmy wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy To: > > > >thinhpad@cs.utk.edu Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 6:39 PM Subject: > > > >missing operating system > > > > My thinkpad 385XD set crash,i tried to recover the old 95,i > change > > > >the boot sequence to cd rom first then i put in the recovery > disc.After > > > >that nothing boot up everthing gone,the screen came on thinkpan on > > > >,after the thinkpad screen only missing operatingsystem show on the > left > > > >top coner. No matter what i did nothing came on eveni put the > > > >recovery boot cdrom flopp in no luck,then i try to put the recovery cd > in > > > >on and off same thing no luck. Anyone has any idea please help. > > > >Thanks Jimmy > > > > > > > > > > Format a disk on another system with Windows 95 "format a: /s" to make > > > the disk bootable. Copy sys.com to the disk from the c:\windows\command > > > directory. Boot the floppy on the 385XD system. type "sys c:" at the a: > > > prompt. Manually verify that command.com is in the root dir of your > system. > > > Reboot. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > > > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > > > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > > > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > > > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > > > Network and System consultation and installation > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue May 2 01:31:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA21688 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 01:31:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05448; Tue, 2 May 2000 01:31:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 01:30:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05376; Tue, 2 May 2000 01:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05362; Tue, 2 May 2000 01:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 01:30:56 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-178.gate.net [207.36.212.178]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA17734; Tue, 2 May 2000 01:30:45 -0400 Message-ID: <390E6815.8491A2F3@gate.net> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 01:31:01 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kate CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: thinkpad 390x References: <003201bfb306$b976a780$0100a8c0@jbdesk> <016a01bfb315$c7183200$1b01010a@ati.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: doe this happen all the time or only when something is loading..?? if when something is loading, then something might be hogging all the cpu time, if all the time, then the same MIGHT be true, but more likely, some hardware problem.. its all jsut a guess.. :-) kate wrote: > I just picked up a thinkpad 390x. The trackpoint seems to freeze for a few > seconds now and again. The win98 device manager doesn't show any device > conflicts. Anyone have any ideas? > > Kate -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue May 2 02:50:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA22020 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 02:50:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07787; Tue, 2 May 2000 02:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 02:49:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07622; Tue, 2 May 2000 02:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rpi.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07609; Tue, 2 May 2000 02:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rpi.edu (128.113.100.7 -> mail.rpi.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 02:49:25 -0400 Received: from qwertyuiopqwerty (kumara2-1.stu.rpi.edu [128.113.199.139]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA401148 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 02:49:09 -0400 From: "A Kumar" To: "List Thinkpad" Subject: ultrabay 2000 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 02:44:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Anyone know if the ultrabay 2000 is compatible with ultraslimbay? It seems they would be, the T looks like a modified 600. From cph Tue May 2 09:49:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA23659 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 09:49:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01389; Tue, 2 May 2000 09:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 09:46:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01017; Tue, 2 May 2000 09:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00964; Tue, 2 May 2000 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 09:46:30 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax30.vramp.net [198.138.8.93]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA38925 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 09:45:34 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: ultrabay 2000 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 09:51:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: I distinctly remember reading that all Ultraslimbay devices were supported, but I'll be damned if I can remember where it was amongst all of the announcements! Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: A Kumar [mailto:kumara2@rpi.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:45 AM > To: List Thinkpad > Subject: ultrabay 2000 > > > Anyone know if the ultrabay 2000 is compatible with ultraslimbay? It seems > they would be, the T looks like a modified 600. > From cph Tue May 2 10:49:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA24057 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:49:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07419; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:48:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 10:46:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07228; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:46:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07215; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 10:46:45 -0400 Received: from intellistation (vkyr-home.lav.de [194.64.62.36]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA09381 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 16:46:42 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "THINKPAD" Subject: Q: Upgrading TP770e to W2K... Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:45:03 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id KAA07419 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA24058 Hello, I'am thinking of upgrading my Thinkpad 770E (160 MB RAM, DVD with Enhanced Video Adapter, Xircom Realport Cardbus Ethernet/Modem...), which currently still runs Win 95 OSR 2.x, to Windows 2000 Pro and would like to know if this makes sense with only 160MB RAM or not. Further I would like to hear some experiences from the kind people on this list, which might have made this move already successfully with their 770e. Are there any special things to care about, which are not mentioned on the IBM Website? As for example BIOS updates which doesn't work, deinstallation of previous installed TP drivers and tools, installation of special older drivers than the actual ones etc. ? Are the DVD and Enhanced Video Adapter supported by new IBM drivers under Win 2000? And finally, is an update from Win 95 to Win 2000 Pro or a fresh installation of Win 2000 the better way to do it? Thanks in advance for any qualified and helpful comments and hints, Valentino Kyriakides -- ISION Internet AG, Büro Hamburg City, "Elbhof" Tel.: +49 40 65808-0 Steinhöft 9, D-20459 Hamburg, Germany Fax.: +49 40 65808-202 http://www.ision.net/ http://www.lavielle.de/ eMail: vkyr@ision.net From cph Tue May 2 11:45:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA24501 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:45:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13261; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:45:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 11:43:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13008; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bigun.c-gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12991; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bigun.c-gate.net (63.77.17.2 -> mail.c-gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 11:43:44 -0400 Received: from DUAL400CELERON (pm1wayne1-18.c-gate.net [198.79.69.151]) by bigun.c-gate.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA19342 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:42:46 -0500 From: "Eric Giles" To: "'THINKPAD'" Subject: RE: Upgrading TP770e to W2K... Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:31:37 -0500 Message-ID: <000001bfb44c$ab794970$9ac4fea9@DUAL400CELERON> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id LAA13261 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA24502 I recently installed W2K on my 770ED with 128MB RAM in a dual boot configuration with Windows 98 SE. Only thing you need to do is upgrade the BIOS to the latest version before you do the install. W2K also includes all of the drivers needed for operation except the MPEG driver for DVD playback, which can be downloaded from the IBM website. The only other driver that would be needed off the website is the Thinkpad Features program. As far as the DVD player, I use the included one from Microsoft and it works great. I would personally do a clean installation if I could. After using W2K for the past few weeks on my 770ED, I am thinking about removing the Windows 98 installation. W2k, for me, runs so much smoother and faster and is much more stable. It is noticeably quicker than Windows 98, and suspend and resume is much faster also. Eric Giles -----Original Message----- From: Valentino Kyriakides [mailto:vkyr@lavielle.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 9:45 AM To: THINKPAD Subject: Q: Upgrading TP770e to W2K... Hello, I'am thinking of upgrading my Thinkpad 770E (160 MB RAM, DVD with Enhanced Video Adapter, Xircom Realport Cardbus Ethernet/Modem...), which currently still runs Win 95 OSR 2.x, to Windows 2000 Pro and would like to know if this makes sense with only 160MB RAM or not. Further I would like to hear some experiences from the kind people on this list, which might have made this move already successfully with their 770e. Are there any special things to care about, which are not mentioned on the IBM Website? As for example BIOS updates which doesn't work, deinstallation of previous installed TP drivers and tools, installation of special older drivers than the actual ones etc. ? Are the DVD and Enhanced Video Adapter supported by new IBM drivers under Win 2000? And finally, is an update from Win 95 to Win 2000 Pro or a fresh installation of Win 2000 the better way to do it? Thanks in advance for any qualified and helpful comments and hints, Valentino Kyriakides -- ISION Internet AG, Büro Hamburg City, "Elbhof" Tel.: +49 40 65808-0 Steinhöft 9, D-20459 Hamburg, Germany Fax.: +49 40 65808-202 http://www.ision.net/ http://www.lavielle.de/ eMail: vkyr@ision.net From cph Tue May 2 12:00:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA24588 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:00:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14581; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:59:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 11:57:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14420; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14406; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 11:57:03 -0400 Received: from 216-164-227-93.s601.tnt5.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.227.93] helo=richard) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12mf2j-00063o-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:57:02 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000502115304.013eabf8@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 11:56:22 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: richard Subject: WinFax Pro 10 ? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I'm thinking of installing WinFaxPro 10 on my TP 570, running W2K. I've been using version 9, which sometimes behaves a bit oddly, such as the need to reboot in order to get the modem to work. Any positive or negative experiences with version 10? Especially with the Lucent WinModem in the 570. From cph Tue May 2 12:17:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA24725 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:17:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16216; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 12:14:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15688; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15674; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 12:14:09 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2inigmd.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.66.205]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA21513 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:14:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:14:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000502115304.013eabf8@pop.rcn.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Buy it. Don't think twice. The photo resolution fax feature is worth the price alone. Also, it's completely W2K compliant. Can't comment on LUCENT Winmodem compatability. I have it in TP770Z with internal modem and on several desktops with and without modems. No problems anywhere. This is what one can call "mature" software. -----Original Message----- From: richard [mailto:rpritz@rcn.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:56 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: WinFax Pro 10 ? I'm thinking of installing WinFaxPro 10 on my TP 570, running W2K. I've been using version 9, which sometimes behaves a bit oddly, such as the need to reboot in order to get the modem to work. Any positive or negative experiences with version 10? Especially with the Lucent WinModem in the 570. From cph Tue May 2 12:19:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA24738 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:19:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16716; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 12:17:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16332; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16308; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (209.15.2.37 -> janus.hosting4u.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 12:17:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 15801 invoked from network); 2 May 2000 16:17:27 -0000 Received: from aries.hosting4u.net (HELO psykolog.nu) (209.15.2.45) by janus.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 2 May 2000 16:17:27 -0000 Received: from hjt9182xdhe5dt ([212.181.144.82]) by psykolog.nu ; Tue, 02 May 2000 11:17:21 -0500 From: "Hi-Young Kim" To: Subject: SV: WinFax Pro 10 ? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:17:16 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000502115304.013eabf8@pop.rcn.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hmm...why use Winfax when W2K already has a great faxprogram? -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fran: richard [mailto:rpritz@rcn.com] Skickat: den 2 maj 2000 17:56 Till: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Amne: WinFax Pro 10 ? I'm thinking of installing WinFaxPro 10 on my TP 570, running W2K. I've been using version 9, which sometimes behaves a bit oddly, such as the need to reboot in order to get the modem to work. Any positive or negative experiences with version 10? Especially with the Lucent WinModem in the 570. From cph Tue May 2 12:40:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA24979 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:40:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18781; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 12:37:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18551; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18532; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 12:37:52 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2inigmd.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.66.205]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA00249 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:37:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:38:07 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Haven't looked at W2K fax program, but MS' previous attempts have left much to be desired. I find it hard to believe that it's a "great" fax program, but probably adequate for many users. E.g., can you add a signature or markups. How do you do attachments? Can you use Internet Faxing? Send Photo Resolution? Of course, a lot of this depends on what you need to do. -----Original Message----- From: Hi-Young Kim [mailto:hkim@psykolog.nu] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:17 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: SV: WinFax Pro 10 ? Hmm...why use Winfax when W2K already has a great faxprogram? -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fran: richard [mailto:rpritz@rcn.com] Skickat: den 2 maj 2000 17:56 Till: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Amne: WinFax Pro 10 ? I'm thinking of installing WinFaxPro 10 on my TP 570, running W2K. I've been using version 9, which sometimes behaves a bit oddly, such as the need to reboot in order to get the modem to work. Any positive or negative experiences with version 10? Especially with the Lucent WinModem in the 570. From cph Tue May 2 13:41:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA25660 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:41:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23840; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 13:37:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23604; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23570; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 13:37:03 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA19130; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:36:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Ray Bayles" , "STeve Andre'" Cc: Subject: RE: New ThinkPad Availability Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:36:48 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <390DED88.3507FDA1@theriver.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Was I the exception that proves the rule? The 600 was announced on April 28, 1998. I called PC Zone on April 29, figuring they were probably out of stock like everyone else, but I had a pleasant surprise: They had just gotten 15 in! Airborne Express delivered the machine the next day. I was one happy camper. > I don't remember that at all... I do remember that when the 701 came > out, it was a three month wait... when the 755 came out, it was a 6 week > wait... When the 760 came out, it was a four month wait unless you > belonged to the CIA or the Navy Seals... When the 770 came out, it was > over two months before anybody on this list could get one. IBM hasn't > been any better than any other manufacturer in my opinion. Ever! From cph Tue May 2 13:44:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA25676 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:44:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24244; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 13:43:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24161; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24146; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 13:43:33 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA37196 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from think2k (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA82511 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008e01bfb45e$13f51ea0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Just tried to order an a20p from ShopIBM... Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:44:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Last night I went to the ShopIBM web site and placed an order for a ThinkPad a20P - 26296TU and the site happily took my order for the computer, some memory and the fancy new camera. On the face of it this is a fabulous upgrade from my ThinkPad 600 PII/233 that I have loved for the past two years. Huge screen, 3 times bigger drive, more memory, DVD, Win2k and so on. My technolust is in full flood!!!! This morning I got a call from a human asking why my order was blank. Bottom line, the orders are not making it from the web site and when you ask the human to help, they act really confused and don't even know what an A series ThinkPad is. They have no "codes" for them and they cannot place orders for you. Great assurances about staying on top of it are being made but I am fairly skeptical at this point. The ShopIBM site now shows "CALL" instead of "In Stock" for the 26296TU. If you think you have placed an order, you may be sadly mistaken. -- David Taylor From cph Tue May 2 13:47:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA25704 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:47:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24613; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 13:46:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24531; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sherman.ncag.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24517; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sherman.ncag.edu (208.198.8.5 -> sherman.ncag.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 13:46:06 -0400 Received: from FACWJK01 [208.198.8.100] by sherman.ncag.edu with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A5F2162014E; Tue, 02 May 2000 10:52:50 -0700 From: "Waldemar Kowalski" To: Subject: Keypad Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 10:46:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Got a keypad solution rolling with our Thinkpads (600's of various flavors) - use a Belkin F3G117-01 PS2 splitter (currently $17 at buy.com - http://www.us.buy.com/comp/product.asp?sku=10030427) plus a PC Concepts keypad ($13 at http://www.us.buy.com/comp/product.asp?sku=10095783). Works great! Something I haven't tested yet is the Adesso USB keypad - $20 at http://www.us.buy.com/comp/product.asp?sku=10233494. According to http://www.adessoinc.com/skp1805.html it should be PC compatible, and I'm trying to get one to test. waldemar kowalski cio, northwest college From cph Tue May 2 14:01:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA25816 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:01:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25580; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 13:57:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25487; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25472; Tue, 2 May 2000 13:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 13:57:18 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a36.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.244]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C892825D7B; Tue, 2 May 2000 10:57:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <390F16DC.4DDDA937@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 10:56:44 -0700 From: Ray Bayles X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: A Kumar Cc: List Thinkpad Subject: Re: ultrabay 2000 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: It is my understanding that the new A and T units will not fit in the old ultra bays... and vice versa... These new Thinkpads are designed for all the new electronics that are coming available including wireless, DSL, etc and the new ultrabay 2000 is designed for the additional speed and electronics... Particularly important is the planning that is going into making these new series have a market life of two to three years... This is as new a technology as were the 760, 770, 600... I doubt there will be any common fits between the 570, 600, 770 peripherals and the new A and T. We can only hope the new ultrabay 2000 will last through the product life of the A & T as improvement and development occurs. From cph Tue May 2 14:07:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA25857 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:07:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26350; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 14:05:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26253; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26240; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 14:05:24 -0400 Received: from default (ali-ca10-60.ix.netcom.com [209.110.226.124]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA27918; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001a01bfb447$43e015a0$7ce26ed1@default> From: "A.J. Wells" To: "Ray Bayles" , "A Kumar" Cc: "List Thinkpad" Subject: Re: ultrabay 2000 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:01:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: After talking with the IBM sales people, I got several different reports... the first one was that the Ultraslim bay drives WOULD work, then after pressing them, they seemed to be unsure and then finally they decided that they would not work... if you look at the pamphlets, you see that they dont look quite the same and there is no mention of a zip drive at all Aj -----Original Message----- From: Ray Bayles To: A Kumar Cc: List Thinkpad Date: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:57 PM Subject: Re: ultrabay 2000 >It is my understanding that the new A and T units will not fit in the >old ultra bays... and vice versa... These new Thinkpads are designed for >all the new electronics that are coming available including wireless, >DSL, etc and the new ultrabay 2000 is designed for the additional speed >and electronics... Particularly important is the planning that is going >into making these new series have a market life of two to three >years... This is as new a technology as were the 760, 770, 600... I >doubt there will be any common fits between the 570, 600, 770 >peripherals and the new A and T. We can only hope the new ultrabay 2000 >will last through the product life of the A & T as improvement and >development occurs. From cph Tue May 2 15:17:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA26447 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:17:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03900; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 15:14:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03713; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03679; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 15:14:48 -0400 Received: by PORKCHOP with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 2 May 2000 14:18:35 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'David W. Taylor'" , ThinkPad List Subject: RE: Just tried to order an a20p from ShopIBM... Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:18:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Just as I suspected yesterday when I noted that they were all "in-stock". If you notice, the dock isn't even listed (unless I'm simply missing it.) I'll probably wait until CDW or PC Connection have them before attempting an order! Greg -----Original Message----- From: David W. Taylor [mailto:davidt@detayls.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:45 PM To: ThinkPad List Subject: Just tried to order an a20p from ShopIBM... Last night I went to the ShopIBM web site and placed an order for a ThinkPad a20P - 26296TU and the site happily took my order for the computer, some memory and the fancy new camera. On the face of it this is a fabulous upgrade from my ThinkPad 600 PII/233 that I have loved for the past two years. Huge screen, 3 times bigger drive, more memory, DVD, Win2k and so on. My technolust is in full flood!!!! This morning I got a call from a human asking why my order was blank. Bottom line, the orders are not making it from the web site and when you ask the human to help, they act really confused and don't even know what an A series ThinkPad is. They have no "codes" for them and they cannot place orders for you. Great assurances about staying on top of it are being made but I am fairly skeptical at this point. The ShopIBM site now shows "CALL" instead of "In Stock" for the 26296TU. If you think you have placed an order, you may be sadly mistaken. -- David Taylor From cph Tue May 2 17:22:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA27655 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 17:22:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16838; Tue, 2 May 2000 17:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 17:19:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16652; Tue, 2 May 2000 17:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16639; Tue, 2 May 2000 17:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.23.16 -> wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 17:19:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 226 invoked by uid 60001); 2 May 2000 21:19:52 -0000 Message-ID: <20000502211952.225.qmail@wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.16 by wwcst271 for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Tue May 2 21:19:52 GMT 2000 Date: 2 May 00 16:19:52 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Fwd: UBid 733MHz PC Auction Followup X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----NetAddressPart-00--=_BVTz2368S714cef5ee4" List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------NetAddressPart-00--=_BVTz2368S714cef5ee4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For anyone following the recent (and off-topic) thread about cheap 733MHz= PCs on UBid, here is the definitive explanation from UBid. 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The purpose of this letter is to explain the nature of the error that was posted by the listing merchant in Auction #20538338 (resulting in its inability to fulfill winning bids), and to share with you the action uBid.com has taken in response. As you may know, uBid.com is primarily a so-called "business-to-consumer" auction site, offering consumers and businesses close-out and refurbished brand name products acquired from certified vendors. In many of our auctions, uBid itself is the seller of products offered. In these auctions, uBid undertakes responsibility for all aspects of the auction and the auction listing, including product descriptions, identification of quantities, establishment of starting and maximum bid prices, and shipping. 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In this auction, the quantity and opening bid figures were inverted by an Auction Community merchant in the listing of the auction, such that the available quantity figure appeared in the starting bid position, and the starting bid figure appeared in the quantity position. As these figures are entered manually, human error, while infrequent, is possible. Unfortunately, we did not detect the listing error in Auction #20538338 prior to its closing. uBid holds Auction Community merchants to high standards of performance and service. Merchant performance is monitored to ensure that buyers receive the appropriate service levels. It goes without saying that the merchant in Auction #20538338 failed to meet our standards. We have, accordingly, terminated this merchant's privilege to conduct further auctions on our site. Please accept our most sincere apologies for the inconvenience caused to you. While we are unable to fulfill orders under this merchant's erroneous auction listing, we have offered you a coupon for use in a future auction. We hope that you will accept this coupon as an expression of our regret and as a gesture of our appreciation for your understanding. Thank you for your cooperation and for shopping at uBid.com. Very truly yours, Jason MacLean VP, Customer Care uBid.com ------NetAddressPart-00--=_BVTz2368S714cef5ee4-- From cph Tue May 2 17:45:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA27834 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 17:45:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18797; Tue, 2 May 2000 17:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 17:43:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18716; Tue, 2 May 2000 17:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18703; Tue, 2 May 2000 17:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 17:43:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA88637; Tue, 2 May 2000 11:42:54 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 11:42:54 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: William Armstrong cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 2 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > Buy it. Don't think twice. The photo resolution fax feature is worth the > price alone. Also, it's completely W2K compliant. > > Can't comment on LUCENT Winmodem compatability. I have it in TP770Z with > internal modem and on several desktops with and without modems. No problems > anywhere. This is what one can call "mature" software. Speaking about WinFax Pro 10, is that version going to be in TalkWorks Pro? Also, what's the diff between Mobile WinFax Pro and the regular WinFax Pro? Thanks! Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Tue May 2 17:49:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA27863 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 17:49:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19299; Tue, 2 May 2000 17:48:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 17:48:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19211; Tue, 2 May 2000 17:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19188; Tue, 2 May 2000 17:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (194.109.127.49 -> smtp3.xs4all.nl) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 17:48:10 -0400 Received: from netlinq.nl (adsl-240-71.adsl.xs4all.nl [194.109.240.71]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01722 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:48:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <390F4DBC.F380B998@netlinq.nl> Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 23:50:52 +0200 From: Jeroen Elfferich Organization: http://www.netlinq.nl/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: A20p questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, As well as many of you I'm very interested in the new A20p. For me, it will be the successor to my 770X. However, I've got a few questions: * Nobody in the US has actually received one yet, but does anyone know about international planning? I'm in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. I don't mind buying overseas, but most reputable companies like CDW are not allowed to sell IBM to overseas customers and it usually takes 1 - 2 extra months before new models are introduced on this side of the big pond. * What is the difference between the 26296TU and 26296U models? I might overlook something, but to me the only difference seems to be the price ($4099 vs. $3999). * When will the mini network/modem card, the CDRW drive and the docking station be available? * I am a happy Selectadock user. I enjoy the built-in SCSI, but mostly the extra IDE channels (with a bit of hacking you can connect two extra standard IDE harddisks). The smallish new docking solution doesn't seem to have this possibility... Pity! * I guess my 770 power supplies will work? Regards, Jeroen Elfferich NetlinQ From cph Tue May 2 18:03:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA27975 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:03:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20567; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 18:02:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20492; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20479; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 18:02:22 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-48.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.48]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA13498 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 01:02:20 +0300 Message-Id: <200005022202.BAA13498@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 01:02:22 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <390F4DBC.F380B998@netlinq.nl> Subject: Re: A20p questions X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19 List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 02 May 2000 at 11:50 PM you, Jeroen Elfferich , said: >* Nobody in the US has actually received one yet, but does anyone > know about international planning? I'm in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. > I don't mind buying overseas, but most reputable companies > like CDW are not allowed to sell IBM to overseas customers > and it usually takes 1 - 2 extra months before new models are > introduced on this side of the big pond. They are not allowed (by contractual agreement with IBM) to _ship_ overseas, but many will _sell_ to you (= charge your credit card), provided you can provide them with a US shipping address (eg. friend's). This is how I bought my TP701C and my TP560X. -Dominique From cph Tue May 2 18:09:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28022 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:09:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21174; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 18:08:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21085; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21072; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 18:08:30 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2inih86.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.69.6]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA19772; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:08:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:08:41 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, Don't know the difference between WinFax Pro 10 and Mobile WinFax. I beleive TalkWorks has all of WinFax Pro 10 in it, plus the voice features. These are not usable on a ThinkPad. You should be able to find a matrix at the Symantec website outlining the differences between Talkworks and WinFax, maybe Mobile WinFax, too. Cheers to you :-) Bill -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 5:43 PM To: William Armstrong Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? On Tue, 2 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > Buy it. Don't think twice. The photo resolution fax feature is worth the > price alone. Also, it's completely W2K compliant. > > Can't comment on LUCENT Winmodem compatability. I have it in TP770Z with > internal modem and on several desktops with and without modems. No problems > anywhere. This is what one can call "mature" software. Speaking about WinFax Pro 10, is that version going to be in TalkWorks Pro? Also, what's the diff between Mobile WinFax Pro and the regular WinFax Pro? Thanks! Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Tue May 2 18:11:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28038 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:11:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21496; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 18:11:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21408; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21393; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 18:11:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA89321; Tue, 2 May 2000 12:11:24 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:11:24 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: William Armstrong cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 2 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: Really? I thought TalkWorks Pro is only up to WinFax 9.0 and not 10.0? As forthe voice features, I thought the TP 770Z was compatible with that portion. GUess not... Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > Vincent, > > Don't know the difference between WinFax Pro 10 and Mobile WinFax. I beleive > TalkWorks has all of WinFax Pro 10 in it, plus the voice features. These are > not usable on a ThinkPad. You should be able to find a matrix at the > Symantec website outlining the differences between Talkworks and WinFax, > maybe Mobile WinFax, too. > > Cheers to you :-) > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 5:43 PM > To: William Armstrong > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > On Tue, 2 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > > > Buy it. Don't think twice. The photo resolution fax feature is worth the > > price alone. Also, it's completely W2K compliant. > > > > Can't comment on LUCENT Winmodem compatability. I have it in TP770Z with > > internal modem and on several desktops with and without modems. No > problems > > anywhere. This is what one can call "mature" software. > > Speaking about WinFax Pro 10, is that version going to be in > TalkWorks Pro? Also, what's the diff between Mobile WinFax Pro and the > regular WinFax Pro? Thanks! > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > From cph Tue May 2 18:13:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28045 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:13:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21685; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 18:12:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21612; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21598; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 18:12:22 -0400 Received: from dallas (quincy-ip-1-158.dynamic.ziplink.net [206.15.142.158]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA27685 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:12:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:12:26 -0400 Message-ID: <000101bfb483$7f9686b0$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: Did they make it so you can save the faxes as TIFFs? 9 didn't have this feature and it's kind of lame, considering that the cheezy fax programs (cheyenne bit ware) that comes with most cheap modems supports this feature. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: William Armstrong [mailto:warmstrong@waldinc.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:14 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > Buy it. Don't think twice. The photo resolution fax feature is worth the > price alone. Also, it's completely W2K compliant. > > Can't comment on LUCENT Winmodem compatability. I have it in TP770Z with > internal modem and on several desktops with and without modems. > No problems > anywhere. This is what one can call "mature" software. > > -----Original Message----- > From: richard [mailto:rpritz@rcn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:56 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > I'm thinking of installing WinFaxPro 10 on my TP 570, running W2K. I've > been using version 9, which sometimes behaves a bit oddly, such > as the need > to reboot in order to get the modem to work. > > Any positive or negative experiences with version 10? Especially with the > Lucent WinModem in the 570. > > > From cph Tue May 2 18:21:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28085 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:21:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22733; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 18:20:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22571; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22553; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:20:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (207.181.194.95 -> atlas.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 18:20:35 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by atlas.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA88024; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:20:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from think2k (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA06601; Tue, 2 May 2000 15:20:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00e501bfb484$c71702c0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Jeroen Elfferich" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <390F4DBC.F380B998@netlinq.nl> Subject: Re: A20p questions Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:21:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Jeroen, I can answer the difference question. After *much* squinting at the spec sheets last night, I think I have determined the subtle $100 difference between the four 26296 models. There are two Operating Systems offered as preloads, Windows 98 and Windows 2000. That is the obvious difference. The less obvious difference is the Communications Bay component. The more expensive configurations in each case include the IBM 10/100 EtherJet Mini PCI Adapter with 56K Modem. The less expensive gets just the 56K V90 Mini PCI Card. So 2 x 2 configurations seems to suggest: 2629-6TU Windows 2000 EtherNet and Modem US$4,099 2629-62U Windows 2000 Modem Only US$3,999 2629-6SU Windows 98 EtherNet and Modem US$3,999 2629-61U Windows 98 Modem Only US$3,899 As far as the power adapter, I would think so but I don't know for absolute certain. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeroen Elfferich" > > * What is the difference between the 26296TU and 26296U models? > I might overlook something, but to me the only difference > seems to be the price ($4099 vs. $3999). > > > * I guess my 770 power supplies will work? > From cph Tue May 2 18:23:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28109 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:23:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23090; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 18:22:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23008; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22994; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 18:22:35 -0400 Received: from 209-122-243-114.s114.tnt1.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.243.114] helo=ppro) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12ml3p-0002e5-00; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:22:34 -0400 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:22:32 -0400 Message-ID: <003601bfb484$dd624170$0d00a8c0@dec5200> From: "R Briganti" To: "Rob Bell" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <20000502211952.225.qmail@wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: UBid 733MHz PC Auction Followup Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:22:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: Looks to me as a feeble attempt to avoid responsibility for fraudulently obtaining personal information and now trying to "switch" you to some other product. I have asked them several times to delete my information from their records and confirm the deletion. They ignore my requests and continue to send me unwanted email and "coupons." It will be a cold day in hell before I ever consider doing business them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Bell" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 17:19 Subject: Fwd: UBid 733MHz PC Auction Followup For anyone following the recent (and off-topic) thread about cheap 733MHz PCs on UBid, here is the definitive explanation from UBid. While I firmly believe that the actual seller (Computers uR Way) should take some responsibility and attempt to fix the situation, I think the attached e-mail shows that UBid has done their part. They earned a passing grade as far as I'm concerned. Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Tue May 2 18:34:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28199 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:34:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24345; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 18:33:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24267; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24252; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:33:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 18:33:41 -0400 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Jeroen Elfferich" , "Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: A20p questions Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:33:21 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2DBB@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 Thread-Index: Ab+0gDfj/MN6xL3WTgKk9uHaAn+VTgABg/Sw Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: A20p questions List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA28200 EtherJet and modem versus just the modem. The modem seems to be available now, but the EtherJet is delayed a bit (guessing) > * What is the difference between the 26296TU and 26296U models? > I might overlook something, but to me the only difference > seems to be the price ($4099 vs. $3999). > > * When will the mini network/modem card, the CDRW drive and the > docking station be available? From cph Tue May 2 18:43:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28286 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:43:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25087; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 18:43:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24999; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24986; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:43:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 18:43:20 -0400 Received: from user-38ld5ck.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld5ck.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.149.148]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA28807; Tue, 2 May 2000 18:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005022243.SAA28807@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Hi-Young Kim" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 18:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: SV: WinFax Pro 10 ? List-Unsubscribe: Haven't upgraded Winfax since 7.02. One feature I liked was OCR. Does v10.0 have improved OCR? Can't comment on the new dose faxware but to say it could only get better - no way it could have gotten worse. On Tue, 2 May 2000 18:17:16 +0200, Hi-Young Kim wrote: >Hmm...why use Winfax when W2K already has a great faxprogram? > >-----Ursprungligt meddelande----- >Fran: richard [mailto:rpritz@rcn.com] >Skickat: den 2 maj 2000 17:56 >Till: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Amne: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > >I'm thinking of installing WinFaxPro 10 on my TP 570, running W2K. I've >been using version 9, which sometimes behaves a bit oddly, such as the need >to reboot in order to get the modem to work. > >Any positive or negative experiences with version 10? Especially with the >Lucent WinModem in the 570. > > > > From cph Tue May 2 19:05:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA28420 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:05:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26837; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 19:04:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26670; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26657; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 19:04:28 -0400 Received: from wald5 (adsl-141-155-114-139.bellatlantic.net [141.155.114.139]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA04881; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:04:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:04:30 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, Mmmm.... You're right. TalkWorks Pro 3.0 includes WinFax Pro 9.0, not 10.0, and is not compatible with W2K. Must be something about the voice stuff in TalkWorks that makes it difficult to get it to work well with W2K. Oh well. If I remember correctly TalkWorks Pro 3.0 came out before WinFax Pro 10.0. I never thought that TalkWorks worked with the ThinkPad modems. It didn't with earlier ThinkPads, but maybe it did with the 770's. Kinda doubt it. The voice parts of TalkWorks were designed to work with only a small set of voice chipsets (Rockwell, originally, then 3COM), but did not work with a bunch of others. -Bill -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 6:11 PM To: William Armstrong Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? On Tue, 2 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: Really? I thought TalkWorks Pro is only up to WinFax 9.0 and not 10.0? As forthe voice features, I thought the TP 770Z was compatible with that portion. GUess not... Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > Vincent, > > Don't know the difference between WinFax Pro 10 and Mobile WinFax. I beleive > TalkWorks has all of WinFax Pro 10 in it, plus the voice features. These are > not usable on a ThinkPad. You should be able to find a matrix at the > Symantec website outlining the differences between Talkworks and WinFax, > maybe Mobile WinFax, too. > > Cheers to you :-) > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 5:43 PM > To: William Armstrong > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > On Tue, 2 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > > > Buy it. Don't think twice. The photo resolution fax feature is worth the > > price alone. Also, it's completely W2K compliant. > > > > Can't comment on LUCENT Winmodem compatability. I have it in TP770Z with > > internal modem and on several desktops with and without modems. No > problems > > anywhere. This is what one can call "mature" software. > > Speaking about WinFax Pro 10, is that version going to be in > TalkWorks Pro? Also, what's the diff between Mobile WinFax Pro and the > regular WinFax Pro? Thanks! > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > From cph Tue May 2 19:05:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA28425 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:05:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26819; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 19:04:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26712; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26654; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 19:04:32 -0400 Received: from wald5 (adsl-141-155-114-139.bellatlantic.net [141.155.114.139]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA04877; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:04:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Mike Capone" , "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 19:04:29 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000101bfb483$7f9686b0$1b00a8c0@dallas> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: You have always that I can remember export faxes as TIFFs. I've done it for years. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Capone [mailto:drgrant@ziplink.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 6:12 PM To: thinkpads2 Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? Did they make it so you can save the faxes as TIFFs? 9 didn't have this feature and it's kind of lame, considering that the cheezy fax programs (cheyenne bit ware) that comes with most cheap modems supports this feature. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: William Armstrong [mailto:warmstrong@waldinc.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:14 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > Buy it. Don't think twice. The photo resolution fax feature is worth the > price alone. Also, it's completely W2K compliant. > > Can't comment on LUCENT Winmodem compatability. I have it in TP770Z with > internal modem and on several desktops with and without modems. > No problems > anywhere. This is what one can call "mature" software. > > -----Original Message----- > From: richard [mailto:rpritz@rcn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:56 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > I'm thinking of installing WinFaxPro 10 on my TP 570, running W2K. I've > been using version 9, which sometimes behaves a bit oddly, such > as the need > to reboot in order to get the modem to work. > > Any positive or negative experiences with version 10? Especially with the > Lucent WinModem in the 570. > > > From cph Tue May 2 19:21:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA28540 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:21:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28353; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 19:20:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28271; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iquest2.iquest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA28258; Tue, 2 May 2000 19:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iquest2.iquest.net (209.43.20.102 -> iquest2.iquest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 19:20:23 -0400 Received: (qmail 19567 invoked from network); 2 May 2000 23:17:23 -0000 Received: from iquest3.iquest.net (209.43.20.203) by iquest2.iquest.net with SMTP; 2 May 2000 23:17:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 5952 invoked from network); 2 May 2000 23:13:39 -0000 Received: from iq-ind-as007-11.iquest.net (HELO michaelw1.iquest.net) (209.43.57.11) by iquest3.iquest.net with SMTP; 2 May 2000 23:13:39 -0000 Message-ID: <016201bfb48b$e0d9fee0$0b392bd1@iquest.net> Reply-To: "Savage Queenie" From: "Savage Queenie" To: "Steve Hultquist" , "Jeroen Elfferich" , "Thinkpad Mailing List \(E-mail\)" References: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2DBB@houdini.accumedia.com> Subject: Re: A20p questions Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 18:12:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Yes no Ethernet option is available yet and unknown when it will be.... I just ordered modem only version and some of the options... hope to get it around the week of the 23 of May ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Jeroen Elfferich" ; "Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 5:33 PM Subject: RE: A20p questions EtherJet and modem versus just the modem. The modem seems to be available now, but the EtherJet is delayed a bit (guessing) > * What is the difference between the 26296TU and 26296U models? > I might overlook something, but to me the only difference > seems to be the price ($4099 vs. $3999). > > * When will the mini network/modem card, the CDRW drive and the > docking station be available? From cph Tue May 2 20:35:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA29014 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 20:35:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03350; Tue, 2 May 2000 20:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 20:34:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03244; Tue, 2 May 2000 20:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rpi.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03231; Tue, 2 May 2000 20:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rpi.edu (128.113.100.7 -> mail.rpi.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 20:34:37 -0400 Received: from qwertyuiopqwerty (kumara2-1.stu.rpi.edu [128.113.199.139]) by mail.rpi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA381902 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 20:34:32 -0400 From: "A Kumar" To: "List Thinkpad" Subject: RE: ultrabay 2000 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 20:30:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <390F16DC.4DDDA937@theriver.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: All the drives cd/dvd/hd are all standard ide with some extra plastic added by IBM. I'm sure it will be possible to modify a ultraslimbay drive to work in ultrabay 2000. -----Original Message----- From: Ray Bayles [mailto:canyonlands@theriver.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:57 PM To: A Kumar Cc: List Thinkpad Subject: Re: ultrabay 2000 It is my understanding that the new A and T units will not fit in the old ultra bays... and vice versa... These new Thinkpads are designed for all the new electronics that are coming available including wireless, DSL, etc and the new ultrabay 2000 is designed for the additional speed and electronics... Particularly important is the planning that is going into making these new series have a market life of two to three years... This is as new a technology as were the 760, 770, 600... I doubt there will be any common fits between the 570, 600, 770 peripherals and the new A and T. We can only hope the new ultrabay 2000 will last through the product life of the A & T as improvement and development occurs. From cph Tue May 2 21:14:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA29271 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:14:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05522; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 21:13:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05446; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05425; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:13:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 21:13:44 -0400 Received: from wald5 (adsl-141-155-114-139.bellatlantic.net [141.155.114.139]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA22221; Tue, 2 May 2000 21:13:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Mike Capone" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 21:13:49 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000201bfb48d$5ec37740$1b00a8c0@dallas> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Go to File/Export. I find TIFF, BMP, DCX and PCX, as well as the usual WinFax file formats. If I need to archive a multi-page fax in a job file I often use the WinFax multi page format. I use TIFF for email attachments, although I think 10.0 has some other emailing features as well. I use TIFF for editing a faxed image for a new document. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Capone [mailto:drgrant@ziplink.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 7:23 PM To: William Armstrong Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? Where? In the fax viewer it only allows you to save as an .fxr or a .pcx file (which btw is totally incompatible with most viewers...) I looked back in winfax 7.5 and it does the same thing. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: William Armstrong [mailto:warmstrong@waldinc.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 7:04 PM > To: Mike Capone; thinkpads2 > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > You have always that I can remember export faxes as TIFFs. I've > done it for > years. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Capone [mailto:drgrant@ziplink.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 6:12 PM > To: thinkpads2 > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > > > Did they make it so you can save the faxes as TIFFs? 9 didn't > have this feature and it's kind of lame, considering that the > cheezy fax programs (cheyenne bit ware) that comes with most > cheap modems supports this feature. > > -Mike > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: William Armstrong [mailto:warmstrong@waldinc.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:14 PM > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > > > > Buy it. Don't think twice. The photo resolution fax feature is worth the > > price alone. Also, it's completely W2K compliant. > > > > Can't comment on LUCENT Winmodem compatability. I have it in TP770Z with > > internal modem and on several desktops with and without modems. > > No problems > > anywhere. This is what one can call "mature" software. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: richard [mailto:rpritz@rcn.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:56 AM > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > > > > I'm thinking of installing WinFaxPro 10 on my TP 570, running W2K. I've > > been using version 9, which sometimes behaves a bit oddly, such > > as the need > > to reboot in order to get the modem to work. > > > > Any positive or negative experiences with version 10? > Especially with the > > Lucent WinModem in the 570. > > > > > > > > From cph Tue May 2 23:02:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA29837 for ; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:02:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10396; Tue, 2 May 2000 23:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 2 May 2000 22:59:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10222; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10201; Tue, 2 May 2000 22:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 2 May 2000 22:59:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA95149; Tue, 2 May 2000 16:59:46 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:59:46 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: William Armstrong cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 2 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: Bill and all, > Vincent, > > Mmmm.... You're right. TalkWorks Pro 3.0 includes WinFax Pro 9.0, not 10.0, > and is not compatible with W2K. Must be something about the voice stuff in > TalkWorks that makes it difficult to get it to work well with W2K. Oh well. > If I remember correctly TalkWorks Pro 3.0 came out before WinFax Pro 10.0. I actually have TalkWorks Pro 2.0. 3.0 came out like 2 weeks after I bought 2.0. 2.0 has WinFax Pro 9.0 as well. Maybe TalkWorks Pro 4.0 will be available really soon. I noticed that TalkWorks is installed in the WinFax Pro folder and not in it's own folder. > I never thought that TalkWorks worked with the ThinkPad modems. It didn't > with earlier ThinkPads, but maybe it did with the 770's. Kinda doubt it. The > voice parts of TalkWorks were designed to work with only a small set of > voice chipsets (Rockwell, originally, then 3COM), but did not work with a > bunch of others. I don't think it does since I remember someone saying it didn't. I just have a 3Com Combo 10/100 NIC + 56k modem card so it'll work. Unfortunately, for my desktop, my USR COurier v.everything dual standard external modem doesn't have voice capabilities. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 6:11 PM > To: William Armstrong > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > On Tue, 2 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > > Really? I thought TalkWorks Pro is only up to WinFax 9.0 and not > 10.0? As forthe voice features, I thought the TP 770Z was compatible with > that portion. GUess not... > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > > Vincent, > > > > Don't know the difference between WinFax Pro 10 and Mobile WinFax. I > beleive > > TalkWorks has all of WinFax Pro 10 in it, plus the voice features. These > are > > not usable on a ThinkPad. You should be able to find a matrix at the > > Symantec website outlining the differences between Talkworks and WinFax, > > maybe Mobile WinFax, too. > > > > Cheers to you :-) > > > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 5:43 PM > > To: William Armstrong > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > > > > On Tue, 2 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > > > > > Buy it. Don't think twice. The photo resolution fax feature is worth the > > > price alone. Also, it's completely W2K compliant. > > > > > > Can't comment on LUCENT Winmodem compatability. I have it in TP770Z with > > > internal modem and on several desktops with and without modems. No > > problems > > > anywhere. This is what one can call "mature" software. > > > > Speaking about WinFax Pro 10, is that version going to be in > > TalkWorks Pro? Also, what's the diff between Mobile WinFax Pro and the > > regular WinFax Pro? Thanks! > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | > __] ] > > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > > > > > > From cph Wed May 3 04:47:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA31085 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 04:47:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28402; Wed, 3 May 2000 04:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 04:40:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28265; Wed, 3 May 2000 04:40:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28252; Wed, 3 May 2000 04:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.37 -> hnlmail3.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 04:40:51 -0400 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.228.11]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Tue, 2 May 2000 22:40:35 -1000 Message-ID: <011201bfb4db$6b930d20$0be41918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: Cc: "old thinkpad list" Subject: display on IBM 560 Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:41:39 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: --Here's a question for the owners of the thinkpad 560. Is there a big difference between the active matrix display and the DSTN display? Is the DSTN display as hazy and as poorly lit as the older 365 DSTN displays? I'm thinking of picking up a 560 DSTN and 86ing my display dead 701c. Any comments suggestions? --Keith Keith Wong System Admin - Document Imaging Honolulu Police Department - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu From cph Wed May 3 05:26:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA31198 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 05:26:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04470; Wed, 3 May 2000 05:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 05:25:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04391; Wed, 3 May 2000 05:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04376; Wed, 3 May 2000 05:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.161 -> gtei2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 05:25:54 -0400 Received: from wald5 (adsl-141-155-114-139.bellatlantic.net [141.155.114.139]) by gtei2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA06827; Wed, 3 May 2000 05:25:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 05:25:59 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, The SYMANTEC website is still calling TalkWorks 3.0 a new program. There is no indication there that a W2K version is forthcoming or even planned. I wonder why not? I had TalkWorks Pro 2.0, as well, but never really used the voice stuff. When I installed WinFax 10.0 it defaulted into the old TalkWorks folder. -Bill -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:00 PM To: William Armstrong Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? On Tue, 2 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: Bill and all, > Vincent, > > Mmmm.... You're right. TalkWorks Pro 3.0 includes WinFax Pro 9.0, not 10.0, > and is not compatible with W2K. Must be something about the voice stuff in > TalkWorks that makes it difficult to get it to work well with W2K. Oh well. > If I remember correctly TalkWorks Pro 3.0 came out before WinFax Pro 10.0. I actually have TalkWorks Pro 2.0. 3.0 came out like 2 weeks after I bought 2.0. 2.0 has WinFax Pro 9.0 as well. Maybe TalkWorks Pro 4.0 will be available really soon. I noticed that TalkWorks is installed in the WinFax Pro folder and not in it's own folder. > I never thought that TalkWorks worked with the ThinkPad modems. It didn't > with earlier ThinkPads, but maybe it did with the 770's. Kinda doubt it. The > voice parts of TalkWorks were designed to work with only a small set of > voice chipsets (Rockwell, originally, then 3COM), but did not work with a > bunch of others. I don't think it does since I remember someone saying it didn't. I just have a 3Com Combo 10/100 NIC + 56k modem card so it'll work. Unfortunately, for my desktop, my USR COurier v.everything dual standard external modem doesn't have voice capabilities. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 6:11 PM > To: William Armstrong > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > On Tue, 2 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > > Really? I thought TalkWorks Pro is only up to WinFax 9.0 and not > 10.0? As forthe voice features, I thought the TP 770Z was compatible with > that portion. GUess not... > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > > Vincent, > > > > Don't know the difference between WinFax Pro 10 and Mobile WinFax. I > beleive > > TalkWorks has all of WinFax Pro 10 in it, plus the voice features. These > are > > not usable on a ThinkPad. You should be able to find a matrix at the > > Symantec website outlining the differences between Talkworks and WinFax, > > maybe Mobile WinFax, too. > > > > Cheers to you :-) > > > > Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 5:43 PM > > To: William Armstrong > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > > > > On Tue, 2 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > > > > > Buy it. Don't think twice. The photo resolution fax feature is worth the > > > price alone. Also, it's completely W2K compliant. > > > > > > Can't comment on LUCENT Winmodem compatability. I have it in TP770Z with > > > internal modem and on several desktops with and without modems. No > > problems > > > anywhere. This is what one can call "mature" software. > > > > Speaking about WinFax Pro 10, is that version going to be in > > TalkWorks Pro? Also, what's the diff between Mobile WinFax Pro and the > > regular WinFax Pro? Thanks! > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | > __] ] > > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > > > > > > From cph Wed May 3 05:38:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA31226 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 05:38:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04957; Wed, 3 May 2000 05:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 05:37:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04872; Wed, 3 May 2000 05:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04859; Wed, 3 May 2000 05:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 05:37:45 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-30.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.30]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA06251 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 12:37:43 +0300 Message-Id: <200005030937.MAA06251@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 12:37:45 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <011201bfb4db$6b930d20$0be41918@hawaii.rr.com> Subject: Re: display on IBM 560 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19 List-Unsubscribe: I can't compare with the 365 but yes, there's a big difference between the 12.1" TFT and the 11.3" DSTN screens of the TP560. At one time, I had 3 TP560 but I quickly sold the one with the DSTN screen and kept the other two (with the TFT). Sorry, my English must be lacking, as I fail to understand what "86ing a display dead 701c" means. Do you mean you want to use the 560 DSTN as the monitor for your TP701C, at 800x600? I'd be interested to hear more about it ;-) Dominique On Tue, 02 May 2000 at 10:41 PM you, "Keith @ LavaNet" , said: >--Here's a question for the owners of the thinkpad 560. Is there a big >difference between the active matrix display and the DSTN display? Is >the DSTN display as hazy and as poorly lit as the older 365 DSTN >displays? I'm thinking of picking up a 560 DSTN and 86ing my display >dead 701c. Any comments suggestions? > --Keith >Keith Wong >System Admin - Document Imaging >Honolulu Police Department - Records Division >Office: (808) 529-3434 >Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com > pirate@lava.net > kwong@email.uophx.edu From cph Wed May 3 06:59:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA31579 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 06:59:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08174; Wed, 3 May 2000 06:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 06:58:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08088; Wed, 3 May 2000 06:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08075; Wed, 3 May 2000 06:58:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 06:58:16 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.89]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000503105814.LOJR1747.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 10:58:14 +0000 Message-ID: <004d01bfb4ee$9a0ca7c0$590e4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Active vs Passive. 701 vs 560 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 05:58:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. I feel that the 701 is a really nicer, but slower, machine than the 560. An active display is so much better, in fact, I have been asked why I even mess with so old a machine, till I point out the size of the 701 with the full size high quality keyboard and the really bright and clear screen. Battery choice for the 701 is much better also,you can get them on ebay from $ 40 to $ 60 depending on type. Even the small folding prong power supply is a joy to travel with. Rudolph J.R. Wratten P.O. Box 2202 San Antonio, TX 78298-2202 From cph Wed May 3 07:14:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA31623 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 07:14:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08967; Wed, 3 May 2000 07:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 07:14:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08895; Wed, 3 May 2000 07:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08882; Wed, 3 May 2000 07:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 07:14:25 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-27.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.27]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA27422 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:14:23 +0300 Message-Id: <200005031114.OAA27422@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 14:14:25 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <004d01bfb4ee$9a0ca7c0$590e4a0c@701c> Subject: Re: Active vs Passive. 701 vs 560 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19 List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 03 May 2000 at 05:58 AM you, "rudolph wratten" , said: >I feel that the 701 is a really nicer, but slower, machine than the 560. If you mean a 701C (ie. with TFT) is better than a 560 with DTSN, I agree with you. But a 560 with TFT is nicer than a 701C, if only for the higher resolution and better keyboard (the "butterfly" keyboard is nice to show off to friends, but the 560's is more usable). Don't get me wrong, I have both and I still love my 701C ;-) -Dominique From cph Wed May 3 07:41:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA31777 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 07:41:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10306; Wed, 3 May 2000 07:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 07:40:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10229; Wed, 3 May 2000 07:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA10216; Wed, 3 May 2000 07:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 07:40:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA03839; Wed, 3 May 2000 01:40:51 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 01:40:50 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: William Armstrong cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 3 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: Bill and everyone, That's true. I just installed WinFax Pro 10.0 on my desktop over TalkWorks 2.0 and it went back to the TalkWorks folder. I never fax from the ThinkPad and besides, my HD is still in data recovery at the labs. I guess the Symantec product will default to the folder of the first product you installed, whether TalkWorks or WinFax Pro for installation. I just wished there was a TalkWorks 4.0. I still wonder what the difference is in 3.0 versus 2.0 since they both use WinFax Pro 9.0. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > Vincent, > > The SYMANTEC website is still calling TalkWorks 3.0 a new program. There is > no indication there that a W2K version is forthcoming or even planned. I > wonder why not? I had TalkWorks Pro 2.0, as well, but never really used the > voice stuff. When I installed WinFax 10.0 it defaulted into the old > TalkWorks folder. > > -Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:00 PM > To: William Armstrong > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > On Tue, 2 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > > Bill and all, > > > Vincent, > > > > Mmmm.... You're right. TalkWorks Pro 3.0 includes WinFax Pro 9.0, not > 10.0, > > and is not compatible with W2K. Must be something about the voice stuff in > > TalkWorks that makes it difficult to get it to work well with W2K. Oh > well. > > If I remember correctly TalkWorks Pro 3.0 came out before WinFax Pro 10.0. > > I actually have TalkWorks Pro 2.0. 3.0 came out like 2 weeks > after I bought 2.0. 2.0 has WinFax Pro 9.0 as well. Maybe TalkWorks Pro > 4.0 will be available really soon. I noticed that TalkWorks is installed > in the WinFax Pro folder and not in it's own folder. > > > I never thought that TalkWorks worked with the ThinkPad modems. It didn't > > with earlier ThinkPads, but maybe it did with the 770's. Kinda doubt it. > The > > voice parts of TalkWorks were designed to work with only a small set of > > voice chipsets (Rockwell, originally, then 3COM), but did not work with a > > bunch of others. > > I don't think it does since I remember someone saying it > didn't. I just have a 3Com Combo 10/100 NIC + 56k modem card so it'll > work. Unfortunately, for my desktop, my USR COurier v.everything dual > standard external modem doesn't have voice capabilities. From cph Wed May 3 08:49:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA32030 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:49:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14012; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 08:48:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13890; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13877; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.161 -> gtei2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 08:47:59 -0400 Received: from wald5 (adsl-141-155-114-139.bellatlantic.net [141.155.114.139]) by gtei2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA13160; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:47:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 08:48:11 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, I use my laptop for faxing a lot. I have accounts with Concord for Internet faxing and Universal Mail. Internet faxing works great. I've been able to drop the fax line at my office and never have to worry having an analogue line free at home or in a hotel because the faxes just go out over the internet. Universal mail works well, too, although the connection to Concord for downloading can be iffy. You can always see your faxes in a browser, though. Re: TalkWorks 3.0: Probably some refinements in the voice stuff. I remember reading the improvements list, but don't recall there being anything that was particularly compelling. Plus, I had by then stopped using the voice features anyway. -Bill -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:41 AM To: William Armstrong Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? On Wed, 3 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: Bill and everyone, That's true. I just installed WinFax Pro 10.0 on my desktop over TalkWorks 2.0 and it went back to the TalkWorks folder. I never fax from the ThinkPad and besides, my HD is still in data recovery at the labs. I guess the Symantec product will default to the folder of the first product you installed, whether TalkWorks or WinFax Pro for installation. I just wished there was a TalkWorks 4.0. I still wonder what the difference is in 3.0 versus 2.0 since they both use WinFax Pro 9.0. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > Vincent, > > The SYMANTEC website is still calling TalkWorks 3.0 a new program. There is > no indication there that a W2K version is forthcoming or even planned. I > wonder why not? I had TalkWorks Pro 2.0, as well, but never really used the > voice stuff. When I installed WinFax 10.0 it defaulted into the old > TalkWorks folder. > > -Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:00 PM > To: William Armstrong > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > On Tue, 2 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > > Bill and all, > > > Vincent, > > > > Mmmm.... You're right. TalkWorks Pro 3.0 includes WinFax Pro 9.0, not > 10.0, > > and is not compatible with W2K. Must be something about the voice stuff in > > TalkWorks that makes it difficult to get it to work well with W2K. Oh > well. > > If I remember correctly TalkWorks Pro 3.0 came out before WinFax Pro 10.0. > > I actually have TalkWorks Pro 2.0. 3.0 came out like 2 weeks > after I bought 2.0. 2.0 has WinFax Pro 9.0 as well. Maybe TalkWorks Pro > 4.0 will be available really soon. I noticed that TalkWorks is installed > in the WinFax Pro folder and not in it's own folder. > > > I never thought that TalkWorks worked with the ThinkPad modems. It didn't > > with earlier ThinkPads, but maybe it did with the 770's. Kinda doubt it. > The > > voice parts of TalkWorks were designed to work with only a small set of > > voice chipsets (Rockwell, originally, then 3COM), but did not work with a > > bunch of others. > > I don't think it does since I remember someone saying it > didn't. I just have a 3Com Combo 10/100 NIC + 56k modem card so it'll > work. Unfortunately, for my desktop, my USR COurier v.everything dual > standard external modem doesn't have voice capabilities. From cph Wed May 3 08:52:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA32038 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:52:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14357; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 08:51:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14247; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14233; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 08:51:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA05079; Wed, 3 May 2000 02:51:30 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 02:51:30 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: William Armstrong cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 3 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: Bill and all, > Vincent, > > I use my laptop for faxing a lot. I have accounts with Concord for Internet > faxing and Universal Mail. Internet faxing works great. I've been able to > drop the fax line at my office and never have to worry having an analogue > line free at home or in a hotel because the faxes just go out over the > internet. Universal mail works well, too, although the connection to Concord > for downloading can be iffy. You can always see your faxes in a browser, > though. The reason I never used my thinkpad for faxing is because i can't figure out what to fax without a scanner =) Ofcourse, I use efax.com for all incoming faxes. > Re: TalkWorks 3.0: Probably some refinements in the voice stuff. I remember > reading the improvements list, but don't recall there being anything that > was particularly compelling. Plus, I had by then stopped using the voice > features anyway. Yeah, true... I just wonder why Symantec never just made it one product instead of two. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:41 AM > To: William Armstrong > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > On Wed, 3 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > > Bill and everyone, > > That's true. I just installed WinFax Pro 10.0 on my desktop over > TalkWorks 2.0 and it went back to the TalkWorks folder. I never fax from > the ThinkPad and besides, my HD is still in data recovery at the labs. I > guess the Symantec product will default to the folder of the first product > you installed, whether TalkWorks or WinFax Pro for installation. I just > wished there was a TalkWorks 4.0. I still wonder what the difference is > in 3.0 versus 2.0 since they both use WinFax Pro 9.0. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > Vincent, > > > > The SYMANTEC website is still calling TalkWorks 3.0 a new program. There > is > > no indication there that a W2K version is forthcoming or even planned. I > > wonder why not? I had TalkWorks Pro 2.0, as well, but never really used > the > > voice stuff. When I installed WinFax 10.0 it defaulted into the old > > TalkWorks folder. > > > > -Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:00 PM > > To: William Armstrong > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > > > > On Tue, 2 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > > > > Bill and all, > > > > > Vincent, > > > > > > Mmmm.... You're right. TalkWorks Pro 3.0 includes WinFax Pro 9.0, not > > 10.0, > > > and is not compatible with W2K. Must be something about the voice stuff > in > > > TalkWorks that makes it difficult to get it to work well with W2K. Oh > > well. > > > If I remember correctly TalkWorks Pro 3.0 came out before WinFax Pro > 10.0. > > > > I actually have TalkWorks Pro 2.0. 3.0 came out like 2 weeks > > after I bought 2.0. 2.0 has WinFax Pro 9.0 as well. Maybe TalkWorks Pro > > 4.0 will be available really soon. I noticed that TalkWorks is installed > > in the WinFax Pro folder and not in it's own folder. > > > > > I never thought that TalkWorks worked with the ThinkPad modems. It > didn't > > > with earlier ThinkPads, but maybe it did with the 770's. Kinda doubt it. > > The > > > voice parts of TalkWorks were designed to work with only a small set of > > > voice chipsets (Rockwell, originally, then 3COM), but did not work with > a > > > bunch of others. > > > > I don't think it does since I remember someone saying it > > didn't. I just have a 3Com Combo 10/100 NIC + 56k modem card so it'll > > work. Unfortunately, for my desktop, my USR COurier v.everything dual > > standard external modem doesn't have voice capabilities. > > From cph Wed May 3 08:52:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA32042 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:52:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14490; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 08:51:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14374; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14327; Wed, 3 May 2000 08:51:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 08:51:51 -0400 Received: from default - 63.27.184.85 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 3 May 2000 05:51:48 -0700 Message-ID: <003901bfb4fd$ce9d3cc0$55b81b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Keith @ LavaNet" , "Think" References: <011201bfb4db$6b930d20$0be41918@hawaii.rr.com> Subject: Re: display on IBM 560 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:47:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I have a 560 that had a dstn display. I hated the display, the first thing I did was swap out for a TFT. Other than that I really like this model. Thin, big display compared to a 701c (I had one of those too) and LOTS of parts machines show up on ebay. My only gripe? I wish it had stereo speakers on it. My 2 cents. Brad ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith @ LavaNet To: Cc: old thinkpad list Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 3:41 AM Subject: display on IBM 560 > --Here's a question for the owners of the thinkpad 560. Is there a big > difference between the active matrix display and the DSTN display? Is the > DSTN display as hazy and as poorly lit as the older 365 DSTN displays? I'm > thinking of picking up a 560 DSTN and 86ing my display dead 701c. Any > comments suggestions? > > --Keith > > > Keith Wong > System Admin - Document Imaging > Honolulu Police Department - Records Division > Office: (808) 529-3434 > Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com > pirate@lava.net > kwong@email.uophx.edu > From cph Wed May 3 09:38:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA32236 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:38:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17700; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 09:37:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17580; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17565; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 09:37:32 -0400 Received: from wald5 (user-2inij51.dialup.mindspring.com [165.121.76.161]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id JAA11956; Wed, 3 May 2000 09:37:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 09:37:44 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Vincent, If I remember correctly WinFax had the voice stuff at one point, but Symantec being the greedy folks they are probably realized they could charge more for TalkWorks as a stand alone than they could with a WinFax version that included the voice stuff. I suspect a lot of people are like me and have bought TalkWorks because of it's additional functionalilty, but never end up using it, or discover once they have it that their modem does not support the voice capabilities. -Bill -----Original Message----- From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:52 AM To: William Armstrong Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? On Wed, 3 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: Bill and all, > Vincent, > > I use my laptop for faxing a lot. I have accounts with Concord for Internet > faxing and Universal Mail. Internet faxing works great. I've been able to > drop the fax line at my office and never have to worry having an analogue > line free at home or in a hotel because the faxes just go out over the > internet. Universal mail works well, too, although the connection to Concord > for downloading can be iffy. You can always see your faxes in a browser, > though. The reason I never used my thinkpad for faxing is because i can't figure out what to fax without a scanner =) Ofcourse, I use efax.com for all incoming faxes. > Re: TalkWorks 3.0: Probably some refinements in the voice stuff. I remember > reading the improvements list, but don't recall there being anything that > was particularly compelling. Plus, I had by then stopped using the voice > features anyway. Yeah, true... I just wonder why Symantec never just made it one product instead of two. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:41 AM > To: William Armstrong > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > On Wed, 3 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > > Bill and everyone, > > That's true. I just installed WinFax Pro 10.0 on my desktop over > TalkWorks 2.0 and it went back to the TalkWorks folder. I never fax from > the ThinkPad and besides, my HD is still in data recovery at the labs. I > guess the Symantec product will default to the folder of the first product > you installed, whether TalkWorks or WinFax Pro for installation. I just > wished there was a TalkWorks 4.0. I still wonder what the difference is > in 3.0 versus 2.0 since they both use WinFax Pro 9.0. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / [__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > Vincent, > > > > The SYMANTEC website is still calling TalkWorks 3.0 a new program. There > is > > no indication there that a W2K version is forthcoming or even planned. I > > wonder why not? I had TalkWorks Pro 2.0, as well, but never really used > the > > voice stuff. When I installed WinFax 10.0 it defaulted into the old > > TalkWorks folder. > > > > -Bill > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:00 PM > > To: William Armstrong > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > > > > On Tue, 2 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > > > > Bill and all, > > > > > Vincent, > > > > > > Mmmm.... You're right. TalkWorks Pro 3.0 includes WinFax Pro 9.0, not > > 10.0, > > > and is not compatible with W2K. Must be something about the voice stuff > in > > > TalkWorks that makes it difficult to get it to work well with W2K. Oh > > well. > > > If I remember correctly TalkWorks Pro 3.0 came out before WinFax Pro > 10.0. > > > > I actually have TalkWorks Pro 2.0. 3.0 came out like 2 weeks > > after I bought 2.0. 2.0 has WinFax Pro 9.0 as well. Maybe TalkWorks Pro > > 4.0 will be available really soon. I noticed that TalkWorks is installed > > in the WinFax Pro folder and not in it's own folder. > > > > > I never thought that TalkWorks worked with the ThinkPad modems. It > didn't > > > with earlier ThinkPads, but maybe it did with the 770's. Kinda doubt it. > > The > > > voice parts of TalkWorks were designed to work with only a small set of > > > voice chipsets (Rockwell, originally, then 3COM), but did not work with > a > > > bunch of others. > > > > I don't think it does since I remember someone saying it > > didn't. I just have a 3Com Combo 10/100 NIC + 56k modem card so it'll > > work. Unfortunately, for my desktop, my USR COurier v.everything dual > > standard external modem doesn't have voice capabilities. > > From cph Wed May 3 12:01:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA00749 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 12:01:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29333; Wed, 3 May 2000 11:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 11:58:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29127; Wed, 3 May 2000 11:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29117; Wed, 3 May 2000 11:58:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.69 -> imo25.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 11:58:48 -0400 Received: from Bmwm61@aol.com by imo25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id o.c5.4e76d53 (4256) for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 11:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 11:58:43 EDT Subject: Fwd: PCMCIA CARDS To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_c5.4e76d53.2641a6b3_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 List-Unsubscribe: --part1_c5.4e76d53.2641a6b3_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_c5.4e76d53.2641a6b3_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: From: Bmwm61@aol.com Full-name: Bmwm61 Message-ID: <9d.4bed729.263ca923@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Apr 2000 17:07:47 EDT Subject: PCMCIA CARDS To: jack@globalmonitor.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 I think I've finally gotten the pcmcia problem sorted out on my 730T. I installed DISKDRV.SYS (the IBM driver available from the usual sources) and M-Systems driver (emailed to me by M-Systems) and, as a result, can work with the following cards: SRAM, ATA/HARD DRIVE CARDS. The diskdrv.sys software allows both read, write and formatting operations. LINEAR CARDS. M-Systems drivers will allow read/write operations as long as you format the card first with the utility TFORMAT.EXE which comes with the driver package. Linear cards can only be read by diskdrv.sys. TRUE-FFS CARDS. M-Systems drivers will allow read/write and formatting. The diskdrv.sys and M-Systems drivers cover all of different types of cards I've encountered. Unfortunately, they can't be loaded simultaneously -- at least not yet, and I have to "REM" out one or other depending on the type of card I'm using. I'd be happy to share the information with anyone having trouble with flash cards in their 730T's. Jim Staub --part1_c5.4e76d53.2641a6b3_boundary-- From cph Wed May 3 13:26:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA01516 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 13:26:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06508; Wed, 3 May 2000 13:25:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 13:23:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06243; Wed, 3 May 2000 13:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06213; Wed, 3 May 2000 13:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 13:23:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA09179; Wed, 3 May 2000 07:22:59 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 07:22:59 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: William Armstrong cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 3 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: Bill and everyone, > Vincent, > > If I remember correctly WinFax had the voice stuff at one point, but > Symantec being the greedy folks they are probably realized they could charge > more for TalkWorks as a stand alone than they could with a WinFax version > that included the voice stuff. Hmmm, I remember my friend used it when it was under Delrina. When Symantec taken over the product, he said it was way different. > I suspect a lot of people are like me and have bought TalkWorks because of > it's additional functionalilty, but never end up using it, or discover once > they have it that their modem does not support the voice capabilities. True. Probably they should name everything WinFax instead. Like how Microsoft names it's office products or simply sell everything as plug-in modules. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 8:52 AM > To: William Armstrong > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > On Wed, 3 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > > Bill and all, > > > Vincent, > > > > I use my laptop for faxing a lot. I have accounts with Concord for > Internet > > faxing and Universal Mail. Internet faxing works great. I've been able to > > drop the fax line at my office and never have to worry having an analogue > > line free at home or in a hotel because the faxes just go out over the > > internet. Universal mail works well, too, although the connection to > Concord > > for downloading can be iffy. You can always see your faxes in a browser, > > though. > > The reason I never used my thinkpad for faxing is because i can't > figure out what to fax without a scanner =) Ofcourse, I use efax.com for > all incoming faxes. > > > Re: TalkWorks 3.0: Probably some refinements in the voice stuff. I > remember > > reading the improvements list, but don't recall there being anything that > > was particularly compelling. Plus, I had by then stopped using the voice > > features anyway. > > Yeah, true... I just wonder why Symantec never just made it one > product instead of two. > > > Cheers, > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 7:41 AM > > To: William Armstrong > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > > > > On Wed, 3 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > > > > Bill and everyone, > > > > That's true. I just installed WinFax Pro 10.0 on my desktop over > > TalkWorks 2.0 and it went back to the TalkWorks folder. I never fax from > > the ThinkPad and besides, my HD is still in data recovery at the labs. I > > guess the Symantec product will default to the folder of the first product > > you installed, whether TalkWorks or WinFax Pro for installation. I just > > wished there was a TalkWorks 4.0. I still wonder what the difference is > > in 3.0 versus 2.0 since they both use WinFax Pro 9.0. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ > ____ > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / > [__ ] > > WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | > __] ] > > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | > __] ] > > HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] > > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > > > > > Vincent, > > > > > > The SYMANTEC website is still calling TalkWorks 3.0 a new program. There > > is > > > no indication there that a W2K version is forthcoming or even planned. I > > > wonder why not? I had TalkWorks Pro 2.0, as well, but never really used > > the > > > voice stuff. When I installed WinFax 10.0 it defaulted into the old > > > TalkWorks folder. > > > > > > -Bill > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Vincent Poy [mailto:vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET] > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:00 PM > > > To: William Armstrong > > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > Subject: RE: WinFax Pro 10 ? > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 2 May 2000, William Armstrong wrote: > > > > > > Bill and all, > > > > > > > Vincent, > > > > > > > > Mmmm.... You're right. TalkWorks Pro 3.0 includes WinFax Pro 9.0, not > > > 10.0, > > > > and is not compatible with W2K. Must be something about the voice > stuff > > in > > > > TalkWorks that makes it difficult to get it to work well with W2K. Oh > > > well. > > > > If I remember correctly TalkWorks Pro 3.0 came out before WinFax Pro > > 10.0. > > > > > > I actually have TalkWorks Pro 2.0. 3.0 came out like 2 weeks > > > after I bought 2.0. 2.0 has WinFax Pro 9.0 as well. Maybe TalkWorks > Pro > > > 4.0 will be available really soon. I noticed that TalkWorks is > installed > > > in the WinFax Pro folder and not in it's own folder. > > > > > > > I never thought that TalkWorks worked with the ThinkPad modems. It > > didn't > > > > with earlier ThinkPads, but maybe it did with the 770's. Kinda doubt > it. > > > The > > > > voice parts of TalkWorks were designed to work with only a small set > of > > > > voice chipsets (Rockwell, originally, then 3COM), but did not work > with > > a > > > > bunch of others. > > > > > > I don't think it does since I remember someone saying it > > > didn't. I just have a 3Com Combo 10/100 NIC + 56k modem card so it'll > > > work. Unfortunately, for my desktop, my USR COurier v.everything dual > > > standard external modem doesn't have voice capabilities. > > > > > > From cph Wed May 3 13:41:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA01665 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 13:41:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07981; Wed, 3 May 2000 13:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 13:40:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07892; Wed, 3 May 2000 13:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07878; Wed, 3 May 2000 13:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 13:40:31 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA03742; Wed, 3 May 2000 10:40:19 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "David W. Taylor" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: A20p pixel size Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 10:40:14 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <008e01bfb45e$13f51ea0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > On the face of it this is a fabulous upgrade from my ThinkPad 600 PII/233 > that I have loved for the past two years. Huge screen, 3 times bigger > drive, more memory, DVD, Win2k and so on. My technolust is in full > flood!!!! Hi David! You haven't turned your 600 into a FrankenPad? "3 times bigger drive, more memory, DVD, Win2k and so on" are all add-ons. Toshiba 18Gb drives (nicer than IBM) are $357 at sparco.com. But the new screen--that's something else. A lot more pixels, but tiny ones. They are Libretto-size pixels--the same size you get on a 6.9" 640x480 or 11" 1024x768 display. Most fonts you can adjust easily, but those dang Windows MS Sans Serif 8 or Tahoma 8 dialog fonts are going to be kind of small. (Hmm... Tahoma... Does that mean the dialog font is scalable in Win2K?) In any case, the new screen should be very nice! -Mike From cph Wed May 3 13:51:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA01755 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 13:51:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08594; Wed, 3 May 2000 13:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 13:45:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08520; Wed, 3 May 2000 13:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08492; Wed, 3 May 2000 13:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 13:45:42 -0400 Received: by PORKCHOP with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 3 May 2000 12:49:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: ThinkPad List Subject: RE: A20p pixel size Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 12:49:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: The new screen (15" 1400x1050) has a horizontal and vertical dpi of 116. For comparison: A TP 600 with a 13.3" 1024x768 is 96 dpi (bigger pixels) A TP 770 with a 14.1 1024x768 is 91 dpi (even bigger) The 13.7 1280x1024 on the 770Z is 120 dpi (even smaller than the new machine.) My SGI 17.3" flat panel (1600x1024) is 110 dpi. In my opinion, the 770Z screen is a gorgeous screen, but slightly too small even with large fonts and created some eye fatigue. The SGI is perfect. I'm still up in the air on how the new 1400x1050 screen will look, so I'm waiting until someone else gets one before taking the plunge. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Michael Geary [mailto:Mike@Geary.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 03, 2000 12:40 PM To: David W. Taylor; ThinkPad List Subject: A20p pixel size > On the face of it this is a fabulous upgrade from my ThinkPad 600 PII/233 > that I have loved for the past two years. Huge screen, 3 times bigger > drive, more memory, DVD, Win2k and so on. My technolust is in full > flood!!!! Hi David! You haven't turned your 600 into a FrankenPad? "3 times bigger drive, more memory, DVD, Win2k and so on" are all add-ons. Toshiba 18Gb drives (nicer than IBM) are $357 at sparco.com. But the new screen--that's something else. A lot more pixels, but tiny ones. They are Libretto-size pixels--the same size you get on a 6.9" 640x480 or 11" 1024x768 display. Most fonts you can adjust easily, but those dang Windows MS Sans Serif 8 or Tahoma 8 dialog fonts are going to be kind of small. (Hmm... Tahoma... Does that mean the dialog font is scalable in Win2K?) In any case, the new screen should be very nice! -Mike From cph Wed May 3 14:09:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA01898 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:09:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10352; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 14:07:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10278; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaae.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10257; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaae.compuserve.com (149.174.177.154 -> hs-img-5.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 14:07:32 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id OAA00570 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:07:06 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: New Model - other options...?? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200005031407_MC2-A399-5FC9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA01899 Interesting though it is to see the spec for the new A and T models, I can't help but worry that evryone is jumping the gun at buying so soon... I have deliberated for a while about what I would like to see in my next laptop and it comes down to one important (and currently scarce) ingredient -a good graphics chipset/Video Memory. These new models certainly deliver on this front, but at a premium price. I know that in UK, prices will not be as keen as in the US for these models - hell, the 600 is still about (equiv) $4200 + for the entry/base spec (no DVD) model !! On the other hand, Sony, unlike IBM, sells through more independent outlets and the prices for their range is very competitive... the brand new Z600 R is already being discounted on the street... I don't think I can wait 2 years to see the A or T 's being offered at a 'sensible' price - for a non corporate buyer anyway!! Mark From cph Wed May 3 14:13:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA01939 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:13:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10639; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 14:09:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10558; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10536; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 14:09:21 -0400 Received: from 216-164-135-91.s599.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.135.91]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12n3aI-00050h-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:09:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 14:09:17 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <6589.000503@erols.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: tp specs in pdf In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I used to have a pdf file wiht all the thinkpad specs in it, but I cleverly cleaned up my machine and now I can't find it. Anybody know where it is? Thanks. -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Wed May 3 14:34:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA02161 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:33:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12644; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:33:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 14:33:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12572; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12558; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 14:33:16 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id NAA28780 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 13:33:15 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.185.103]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id NAA28757 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 13:33:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000503143249.01439350@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 14:32:49 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: tp specs in pdf In-Reply-To: <6589.000503@erols.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:09 PM 05/03/2000 -0400, Donald MacQueen wrote: >I used to have a pdf file wiht all >the thinkpad specs in it, but I cleverly >cleaned up my machine and now I can't find >it. > >Anybody know where it is? > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf The new models aren't on there yet. From cph Wed May 3 14:34:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA02170 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:34:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12539; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:33:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 14:32:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12354; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12340; Wed, 3 May 2000 14:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vampire.lavielle.com (194.64.21.10 -> vampire.lavielle.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 14:32:24 -0400 Received: from lispworks (lispworks.lavielle.com [194.64.236.80]) by vampire.lavielle.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA25965; Wed, 3 May 2000 20:32:01 +0200 (MET DST) From: "Valentino Kyriakides" To: "Eric Giles" , Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: Upgrading TP770e to W2K... Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:35:01 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <000001bfb44c$ab794970$9ac4fea9@DUAL400CELERON> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA12539 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA02171 First of all, thanks for your comments and hints! I've successfully installed W2K now on my Thinkpad from a clean installation, since my first installation (an upgrade from Win 95) left over too much garbled Win 95 stuff on the main partition, which resulted in undeleteable Win95 things. Here are in short the steps I've took for a fresh installation: 1. I upgraded my TP770E BIOS to the latest available version... 2. I checked if I have to upgrade the firmware of my DVD too (I didn't needed to upgrade) 3. For security reasons I've made/build the 4 W2K setup disks from the W2K CD... 4. I booted with a Win 95 bootfloppy and formated/erased the C: drive completely... 5. I inserted the W2K CD and booted with the previously made W2K setup floppies (however, I think one can also boot directly from the W2K CD if desired by changing the boot order in the TP BIOS) and started the installation process... 6. I've installed the newest W2K supported ThinkPad Configuration utilities... 7. For today I finally left over to install DVDExpress and the W2K update drivers for DVDExpress and also to check if my Xircom Realport cardbus Ethernet/Modem card works without new drivers under W2K... BTW, the following URL http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4EBQAK.html is an updated TP 770E/ED - Microsoft Windows 2000 Support Guide, which lists detailed installation instructions and needed device drivers etc. Greetings Valentino Kyriakides -- ISION Internet AG, Büro Hamburg City, "Elbhof" Tel.: +49 40 65808-0 Steinhöft 9, D-20459 Hamburg, Germany Fax.: +49 40 65808-202 http://www.ision.net/ http://www.lavielle.de/ eMail: vkyr@ision.net From cph Wed May 3 17:48:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA04224 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:48:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02178; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:48:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 17:46:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02044; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02023; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 17:46:50 -0400 Received: from 208-58-198-247.s247.tnt11.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([208.58.198.247]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12n6ym-0000RQ-00; Wed, 3 May 2000 17:46:49 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 17:46:47 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <14740.000503@erols.com> To: Jane Loyless CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re[2]: tp specs in pdf In-reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000503143249.01439350@pop.mindspring.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20000503143249.01439350@pop.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jane, that was exactly what I was looking for. thanks. btw, specs for withdrawn tps are in twbook.pdf. Wednesday, May 03, 2000, 2:32:49 PM, you wrote: > At 02:09 PM 05/03/2000 -0400, Donald MacQueen wrote: >>I used to have a pdf file wiht all >>the thinkpad specs in it, but I cleverly >>cleaned up my machine and now I can't find >>it. >> >>Anybody know where it is? >> > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf > The new models aren't on there yet. -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Wed May 3 20:59:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA05519 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 20:59:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14964; Wed, 3 May 2000 20:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 3 May 2000 20:58:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14843; Wed, 3 May 2000 20:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14830; Wed, 3 May 2000 20:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 3 May 2000 20:58:03 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JOZ4ORZTLS8X01U4@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 3 May 2000 20:01:11 CST Date: Wed, 03 May 2000 20:01:10 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Good news on UBID PIII 733 mhz To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: As of today Ubid finally did the right thing. they are reimbursing the winning bidders with $50 for each bid. Check your email for the ones that bid on this lot. I personally got enough units that i need only add $300 to get a PIII computer from them ! :) From cph Thu May 4 01:50:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA07120 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 01:50:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01944; Thu, 4 May 2000 01:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 01:47:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01809; Thu, 4 May 2000 01:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA01796; Thu, 4 May 2000 01:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 01:47:08 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-22.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.22]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA04354 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 08:47:05 +0300 Message-Id: <200005040547.IAA04354@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 08:43:27 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600E: W98 - Color Management X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19 List-Unsubscribe: When installing the latest (2.13.06Q) video driver for my TP600E, I noticed there's a tab labelled "Color Management" under Display - Advanced (in W98) that lets me select a default color profile for my monitor. For the time being its value is "none". Is there such a color profile (apparently a file with the extension icm or icc) for the TP600E's TFT screen? Is so, where can I get it? Btw, should the value for the "monitor" tab be "Laptop Display Panel (1024x768)" or is there a more specific driver for the TP600E? Thanks, Dominique From cph Thu May 4 02:17:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA07203 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:17:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02941; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 02:15:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02857; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02844; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 02:15:17 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-73.gate.net [199.227.20.136]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA12760; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:15:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3911157F.DC3BFA99@gate.net> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 02:15:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pitak Chenkosol CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New ThinkPads are on the IBM site... References: <200005011703.KAA28673@apollo.ee.pdx.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: ATI Rage in various flavors Pitak Chenkosol wrote: > Which video chipset does IBM use in the new A and T series Thinkpads? > > Thanks for the info. > > Pitak > > > > > http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/moreabout.html > > > > Drool...... > > -- > > David Taylor > > > > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu May 4 02:34:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA07274 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:34:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03470; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:33:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 02:31:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03360; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:31:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03347; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:31:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 02:31:52 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-73.gate.net [199.227.20.136]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA130856; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:31:45 -0400 Message-ID: <3911195F.D2447A4E@gate.net> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 02:31:59 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Keith @ LavaNet" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, old thinkpad list Subject: Re: display on IBM 560 References: <011201bfb4db$6b930d20$0be41918@hawaii.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Keith.. the 560 TFT is nice.. (obviously).. i have not seen a DSTN 650.. the DSTN 701 is not all that much worse that the TFT display.. haveing said that, i would not buy a DSTN machine unless it was really cheap.. IMO, don't deep-six the little 701's corpse.. sell the body parts to others who need them.. :-) "Keith @ LavaNet" wrote: > --Here's a question for the owners of the thinkpad 560. Is there a big > difference between the active matrix display and the DSTN display? Is the > DSTN display as hazy and as poorly lit as the older 365 DSTN displays? I'm > thinking of picking up a 560 DSTN and 86ing my display dead 701c. Any > comments suggestions? > > --Keith > > Keith Wong > System Admin - Document Imaging > Honolulu Police Department - Records Division > Office: (808) 529-3434 > Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com > pirate@lava.net > kwong@email.uophx.edu -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu May 4 02:45:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA07350 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:45:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04003; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 02:43:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03771; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03754; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 02:43:40 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-73.gate.net [199.227.20.136]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA86762; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:43:31 -0400 Message-ID: <39111C21.8CC7D736@gate.net> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 02:43:45 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Langham CC: "'David W. Taylor'" , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Just tried to order an a20p from ShopIBM... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I placed an order for 9 A20p today.. 2629-6SU & 6TU.. with my corporate vendor, whose prices, while not all that great, at least were not as high as my distrobutor, Ingram Micro, who wanted $5k for these new machines.. my corporate vendor said 15-may (or thereabouts) they would get 30 A20p machines in.. (20 w98, 10 w2k).. i sure hope they arrive.. :-) and when they do, i'll let you guys know.. BUT.. in the past, the new hot machine would ship a few dozen units to various vendors, then the supply would dry up for weeks, while the corporate buyers got their fill.. ALSO, in the past, the first batch usually was from japan, rather than mexico.. Greg Langham wrote: > Just as I suspected yesterday when I noted that they were all "in-stock". If > you notice, the dock isn't even listed (unless I'm simply missing it.) > > I'll probably wait until CDW or PC Connection have them before attempting an > order! > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > From: David W. Taylor [mailto:davidt@detayls.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:45 PM > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: Just tried to order an a20p from ShopIBM... > > Last night I went to the ShopIBM web site and placed an order for a ThinkPad > a20P - 26296TU and the site happily took my order for the computer, some > memory and the fancy new camera. > > On the face of it this is a fabulous upgrade from my ThinkPad 600 PII/233 > that I have loved for the past two years. Huge screen, 3 times bigger > drive, more memory, DVD, Win2k and so on. My technolust is in full > flood!!!! > > This morning I got a call from a human asking why my order was blank. > > Bottom line, the orders are not making it from the web site and when you ask > the human to help, they act really confused and don't even know what an A > series ThinkPad is. They have no "codes" for them and they cannot place > orders for you. Great assurances about staying on top of it are being made > but I am fairly skeptical at this point. > > The ShopIBM site now shows "CALL" instead of "In Stock" for the 26296TU. > > If you think you have placed an order, you may be sadly mistaken. > -- > David Taylor > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu May 4 02:57:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA07417 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:57:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04496; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 02:51:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04337; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04324; Thu, 4 May 2000 02:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 02:51:33 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA05277 for ; Wed, 3 May 2000 20:51:29 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000d01bfb595$4f62e8e0$d462183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: [TPnew] Article about IBM Thinkpad plans (UK spin) Date: Wed, 3 May 2000 20:52:24 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Right here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/000503-000004.html - David R. From cph Thu May 4 06:00:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA08139 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 06:00:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17045; Thu, 4 May 2000 06:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 05:57:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16459; Thu, 4 May 2000 05:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16446; Thu, 4 May 2000 05:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 05:57:09 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.13.239]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000504095707.QCAM1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:57:07 +0000 Message-ID: <001901bfb5af$3dacc3e0$ef0d4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: The UK plans. Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 04:57:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. We have video of a 600 that, while sitting on a desk, cracked its screen. The machine was brought in from a very cold place, then turned on, the best guess is that the back-light had heated the glass, thus the failure. EZ serve has gone nuts trying to decide what to do. We simply called the insurance company up, they stated " this is a problem with the 600s ". They feel that it something wrong, but pointed out that this is not covered by insurance, no laptop is in our insurance policy for anything but theft or fire, so if the thinkpad were to burst in flames while someone were stealing it?. From cph Thu May 4 07:35:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA08833 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 07:35:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20808; Thu, 4 May 2000 07:35:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 07:33:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20588; Thu, 4 May 2000 07:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20567; Thu, 4 May 2000 07:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 07:33:11 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA10777 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 12:33:08 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (sehh@pri04.dialup [152.78.68.229]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA10559 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 12:33:01 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005041133.MAA10559@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 12:40:14 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [TP20] New ThinkPad List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id HAA20808 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id HAA08834 Sorry if this has already been mentioned, there is a new ThinkPad that IBM has released in the US, based on the 700mhz PIII and other hardware upgrades. Full story at: http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/usalets&parms=H_100-116 þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ i'm not playing anything.. From cph Thu May 4 08:49:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA09389 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 08:49:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24615; Thu, 4 May 2000 08:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 08:47:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24477; Thu, 4 May 2000 08:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24464; Thu, 4 May 2000 08:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 08:47:39 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([32.100.117.217]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000050412473623902vruk5e>; Thu, 4 May 2000 12:47:37 +0000 From: "David Lee" To: , "Pitak Chenkosol" Cc: Subject: RE: New ThinkPads are on the IBM site... Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:46:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3911157F.DC3BFA99@gate.net> List-Unsubscribe: The T-series uses the S3 Savage IX8 chipset. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 2:15 AM To: Pitak Chenkosol Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New ThinkPads are on the IBM site... ATI Rage in various flavors Pitak Chenkosol wrote: > Which video chipset does IBM use in the new A and T series Thinkpads? > > Thanks for the info. > > Pitak > > > > > http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/moreabout.html > > > > Drool...... > > -- > > David Taylor > > > > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu May 4 10:01:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10041 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:01:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28716; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:53:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 09:52:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28594; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28575; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 09:52:10 -0400 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6 [206.191.0.248]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14274 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port14.magma.ca [209.217.123.14]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA21924 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 09:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005041352.JAA21924@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 09:50:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <001901bfb5af$3dacc3e0$ef0d4a0c@701c> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: The UK plans. List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 4 May 2000 04:57:56 -0500, rudolph wratten wrote: >so if the thinkpad were to burst in flames while someone >were stealing it?. It would depend what the thieves did with the burnt-out hulk. If they took it with them, you'd be covered. If they left it, you wouldn't. ;) andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Thu May 4 10:29:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10268 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:29:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01212; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:20:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 10:20:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01130; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01094; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (206.184.139.15 -> proxy4.ba.best.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 10:20:39 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id HAA16796 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 07:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000504071612.043ac7a0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 07:19:20 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: The UK plans. In-Reply-To: <200005041352.JAA21924@mail6.magma.ca> References: <001901bfb5af$3dacc3e0$ef0d4a0c@701c> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:50 AM 5/4/2000 , you wrote: >On Thu, 4 May 2000 04:57:56 -0500, rudolph wratten wrote: > > >so if the thinkpad were to burst in flames while someone > >were stealing it?. > >It would depend what the thieves did with the burnt-out hulk. If >they took it with them, you'd be covered. If they left it, you >wouldn't. ;) Unfortunately, here in the US, there is a very good chance that the thieves could successfully sue you for the physical and mental pain and suffering as a result of the burning Thinkpad. But PLEASE, let's not get an off topic thread going about how ludicrous the courts and public have gotten in the US over the last 10 years. -- David Goldman From cph Thu May 4 10:34:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10322 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:34:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01752; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 10:25:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01653; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01631; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 10:25:49 -0400 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Just tried to order an a20p from ShopIBM... Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:25:29 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2DE6@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Just tried to order an a20p from ShopIBM... Thread-Index: Ab+1lCSM3VaIhNHeRNWZ/EEPOGbYGAAQHOPA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA10323 Bill, Are you doing any of the T series? ssh > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 12:44 AM > To: Greg Langham > Cc: 'David W. Taylor'; ThinkPad List > Subject: Re: Just tried to order an a20p from ShopIBM... > > > I placed an order for 9 A20p today.. 2629-6SU & 6TU.. > with my corporate vendor, whose prices, while not all that > great, at least were > not as high as my distrobutor, Ingram Micro, who wanted $5k > for these new > machines.. > > my corporate vendor said 15-may (or thereabouts) they would > get 30 A20p machines > in.. (20 w98, 10 w2k).. > > i sure hope they arrive.. :-) > and when they do, i'll let you guys know.. > > BUT.. > > in the past, the new hot machine would ship a few dozen units > to various > vendors, then the supply would dry up for weeks, while the > corporate buyers got > their fill.. > > ALSO, > > in the past, the first batch usually was from japan, rather > than mexico.. > > Greg Langham wrote: > > > Just as I suspected yesterday when I noted that they were > all "in-stock". If > > you notice, the dock isn't even listed (unless I'm simply > missing it.) > > > > I'll probably wait until CDW or PC Connection have them > before attempting an > > order! > > > > Greg > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David W. Taylor [mailto:davidt@detayls.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:45 PM > > To: ThinkPad List > > Subject: Just tried to order an a20p from ShopIBM... > > > > Last night I went to the ShopIBM web site and placed an > order for a ThinkPad > > a20P - 26296TU and the site happily took my order for the > computer, some > > memory and the fancy new camera. > > > > On the face of it this is a fabulous upgrade from my > ThinkPad 600 PII/233 > > that I have loved for the past two years. Huge screen, 3 > times bigger > > drive, more memory, DVD, Win2k and so on. My technolust is in full > > flood!!!! > > > > This morning I got a call from a human asking why my order > was blank. > > > > Bottom line, the orders are not making it from the web site > and when you ask > > the human to help, they act really confused and don't even > know what an A > > series ThinkPad is. They have no "codes" for them and they > cannot place > > orders for you. Great assurances about staying on top of > it are being made > > but I am fairly skeptical at this point. > > > > The ShopIBM site now shows "CALL" instead of "In Stock" for > the 26296TU. > > > > If you think you have placed an order, you may be sadly mistaken. > > -- > > David Taylor > > > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > From cph Thu May 4 10:36:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10343 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:36:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02065; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 10:27:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01983; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01961; Thu, 4 May 2000 10:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 10:27:42 -0400 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: The UK plans. Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 08:27:22 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2DE7@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: The UK plans. Thread-Index: Ab+1rzaJp8kXoBS4ToG7pVcaah3jNQAJYBvA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA10344 Sorry, but I would call that misuse. I even think there's something in the manual about letting it warm up to room temperature before turning it on. It's got nothing to do with the Thinkpad 600, virtually any TFT display would do the same. Heck, a *guitar* will stress crack if you do that to it! ssh > -----Original Message----- > From: rudolph wratten [mailto:cowthief@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 04, 2000 3:58 AM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: The UK plans. > > > Hello. > > We have video of a 600 that, while sitting on a desk, cracked > its screen. > The machine was brought in from a very cold place, then > turned on, the best > guess is that the back-light had heated the glass, thus the failure. > EZ serve has gone nuts trying to decide what to do. > We simply called the insurance company up, they stated " this > is a problem > with the 600s ". > They feel that it something wrong, but pointed out that this > is not covered > by insurance, no laptop is in our insurance policy for > anything but theft or > fire, so if the thinkpad were to burst in flames while > someone were stealing > it?. > > From cph Thu May 4 11:10:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA10653 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:10:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04812; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:01:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 11:00:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04719; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04706; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 11:00:53 -0400 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: EtherJet T series? Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:00:32 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2DEA@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: EtherJet T series? Thread-Index: Ab+12Yi3kp4kex00RJ66+LtSNnk/AQ== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: EtherJet T series?

So I sent the 2647-84U information to = our Controller to have it ordered. He clicked on the Web page I sent = him, and it's *GONE*! I just called ShopIBM and they don't know what's = going on with it, either.

My guess: "Oops. We don't actually = have any of the mini-PCI EtherJet stuff, yet!" Anyone know if I can = add the EtherJet card to one of the other machines later?

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From cph Thu May 4 11:42:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA11040 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:42:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07547; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 11:33:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07445; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07431; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 11:33:34 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.152]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000504153332.THCP1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 15:33:32 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01bfb5dd$c490ff60$980e4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Cracked screen Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 10:30:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. To require a laptop to warm up to room temp' best done when in its case, is correct. I simply followed up on the comments from "TPnew". I guess that, as screens have gotten larger, they have gotten more fragile, the 600 being quite fragile. The U.K. story also pointed out that new thinkpads have a metal frame around the display, perhaps nothing to do with this at all, the story itself is at http://www.theregister.co.uk/000503-000004.html however, my 701/730/ Apple Newton and a host of others have been given the same treatment, perhaps because of the smaller screen, there is less stress, thus no damage. From cph Thu May 4 11:57:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA11210 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:57:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08964; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 11:46:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08882; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.sivco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08852; Thu, 4 May 2000 11:46:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.sivco.com (209.91.123.78 -> h-209-91-123-78.gen.cadvision.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 11:46:04 -0400 Subject: 256M Memory for the new Thinkpad To: penzance@gate.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 09:46:44 -0600 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on tigger/Sivco(Release 5.0.1a|August 17, 1999) at 05/04/2000 09:46:53 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA11212 I was looking for the 256M memory modules for the new thinkpads, but could not find in the IBM site. Does anyone knows when it will be available? There is no point to buy 128M RAM and throw it out later. Geza Geza Szivos mailto:Geza.Szivos@SIVCO.com System Analyst/eDBA Certified VisualAge for C++ Object Oriented Developer, Certified WebSphere, DB2 and VisualAge Java Associate Developer, VisualWarehouse Specialist, Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, Certified Warp Server Engineer SIVCO Inc. «Calgary, AB» «Buffalo, NY» «Olympia, WA» Visit our web page http://www.sivco.com Head office: 118 Arbour Summit Close NW Calgary, Alberta Canada T3G 3W2 Toll Free Call: (877) 700-2600 Toll Free Fax: (877) 547-4741 In Calgary call (403) 208-2600 Cellular (360) 481-2828 From cph Thu May 4 13:27:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12215 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 13:27:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17377; Thu, 4 May 2000 13:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 13:21:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17167; Thu, 4 May 2000 13:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mana.pf (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17153; Thu, 4 May 2000 13:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mana.pf (202.3.225.102 -> smtp.mana.pf) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 13:21:49 -0400 Received: from vaianae (d4-025.sl.mana.pf [202.3.227.25]) by smtp.mana.pf (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA30072 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 18:23:54 -1000 Reply-To: From: "Jimmy E. Chanzi" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: New Thinkpads Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 07:21:29 -1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: New BIOS Update and Video Drivers for A20 already in support section... From cph Thu May 4 19:24:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA15378 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 19:24:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15351; Thu, 4 May 2000 19:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 19:19:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15127; Thu, 4 May 2000 19:19:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collide.evcom.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15114; Thu, 4 May 2000 19:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collide.evcom.net (216.10.32.7 -> collide.evcom.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 19:19:45 -0400 Received: from zothommog.evcom.net (root@zothommog.evcom.net [216.10.32.8]) by collide.evcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA04745 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 19:19:38 -0400 Received: from treco.net (mia-tcr7-229.dyn.evcom.net [216.10.44.229]) by zothommog.evcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA10873 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 19:19:37 -0400 Message-ID: <39120514.F9607E07@treco.net> Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 19:17:40 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad list Subject: the new thinkpads - SHIPPING - Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi guys 'n dolls.. (and the "dolls" know who they are) FWIW: I spoke to IBM today (the dealer part) and i learned that the warehouse is closed until 15-may, and THIS is why nothing is shipping until then.. -- Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com thinkpads.com Open Forum http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? E-Mail: bill@thinkpads.com, morrow@treco.net From cph Thu May 4 23:14:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA16879 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:14:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29420; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 23:08:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29251; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomts1-srv.bellnexxia.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29234; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tomts1-srv.bellnexxia.net (209.226.175.139 -> tomts1.bellnexxia.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 23:08:33 -0400 Received: from mpro1 ([216.209.95.81]) by tomts1-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with SMTP id <20000505030821.IEVX28912.tomts1-srv.bellnexxia.net@mpro1>; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:08:21 -0400 Message-ID: <001401bfb63f$102888b0$515fd1d8@mpro1> From: "Carlos de la Puente" To: Subject: I LOVE YOU Virus - Please read Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 23:07:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Greetings: If anyone you know needs to fix their PC from today's virus ( I LOVE YOU), have them go to this site: http://www.europe.datafellows.com/v-descs/love.htm More info about the virus at: http://www.gfi.com/press/newvirus.htm Best regards, Carlos de la Puente From cph Thu May 4 23:34:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA16997 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:34:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00744; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 23:33:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00647; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00631; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 23:33:26 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JP0OEF038G8X08J5@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 4 May 2000 22:36:18 CST Date: Thu, 04 May 2000 22:36:17 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Free IBM HDD fitness prog To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/welcome.htm From cph Thu May 4 23:44:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA17051 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:44:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01190; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 23:42:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01096; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01083; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 23:42:45 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.15.76]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000505034243.DNGN1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 03:42:43 +0000 Message-ID: <001001bfb643$5fdf5880$4c0f4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Drive fitness Date: Thu, 4 May 2000 22:38:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. I tried to give my drive a fitness test. I simply cannot get it off the couch long enough!. As always, have fun. From cph Thu May 4 23:48:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA17093 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:48:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01585; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 23:46:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01509; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01493; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 23:46:42 -0400 Received: from zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id e453kaP00823; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) id e453kae23550; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: "Keith @ LavaNet" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? References: <20000420021634.19734.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> <001501bfaa72$f06afbc0$f7fc1918@hawaii.rr.com> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 04 May 2000 23:46:36 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Keith's message of "Wed, 19 Apr 2000 16:48:40 -1000" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: "Keith @ LavaNet" writes: > --Have any of guys or gals tested win 2K? Yup, just installed in on my 570 a week and a half ago. So far, I am *really* pleased with it. It's like NT (which this machine previously ran) with many of the laptop-friendly features of 95/98 built in. The install, on the whole, was pretty darn easy. Peace, dNb From cph Thu May 4 23:57:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA17154 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:56:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02114; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 23:55:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02029; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02009; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 23:55:09 -0400 Received: from zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id e453snP01096; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) id e453snj23555; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: Cc: "'James'" , "'TP List'" Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? References: <000301bfaa81$8d60d5e0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 04 May 2000 23:54:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Mark Lemon"'s message of "Wed, 19 Apr 2000 23:33:17 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: "Mark Lemon" writes: > What are your steps for the install? I bought a second hard drive (hi, Bill!) and cloned my exisiting system to it via ghost. With this backup, I proceeded to wipe my NT partition (leaving the others intact) and do a clean install to it. > I only ask because in NT it made a difference. Any "gotchas?" The big one is the one that James ran into (though there is a way around it, but I had to dredge the knowledgebase to find it). The key gotcha is never let another drive show up on a system which displaces the original install drive in the drive letter order (i.e. so that the new drive appears as C: and the install drive suddenly becomes D:). If you do this, and then reboot with that other drive gone, you will get the paging file errors (and others, like the admin utils will not initialize, and norton anti-virus will conk out, etc...). In my case, I encountered this by booting my system with its new w2k drive while my old drive contents was in the 570 ultradock. If this should happen to you, there is a series of steps you can take to fix it, Let me know if you into this and I can dig up my notes on how I got myself out of this jam. Peace, dNb From cph Thu May 4 23:59:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA17162 for ; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:59:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02388; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:57:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 4 May 2000 23:57:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02286; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02264; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 4 May 2000 23:56:55 -0400 Received: from zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id e453ugP01180; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) id e453ufr23559; Thu, 4 May 2000 23:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Cc: "thinkpad" Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? References: <200004221309.QAA08939@athserv.otenet.gr> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 04 May 2000 23:56:41 -0400 In-Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S."'s message of "Sat, 22 Apr 2000 16:09:40 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." writes: > An IBMer told me that win2k is officialy banned from IBM sites, > since it breaks existing applications and systems, one example is > that you can't use many boot managers with win2k because win2k on > bootup will remove them, that happens with IBM's BootManager and > some versions of SystemCommander and others. (i think there is a > fixed version of SystemCommander) Interesting. I did not see this with System commander 3.6.10, which I believe is a fairly old version. That's what I'm using now. Peace, dNb From cph Fri May 5 05:17:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA18425 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 05:17:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08782; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 02:53:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08708; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:53:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08695; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 02:53:30 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-153.gate.net [199.227.20.216]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA333642; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:53:25 -0400 Message-ID: <39126FF5.E89B7523@gate.net> Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 02:53:42 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: JChanzi@AttGlobal.net CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: New Thinkpads References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: see: "warehouse closed until 15-may" post.. :-)) "Jimmy E. Chanzi" wrote: > New BIOS Update and Video Drivers for A20 already in support section... -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri May 5 05:18:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA18429 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 05:17:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10695; Fri, 5 May 2000 03:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 03:22:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10593; Fri, 5 May 2000 03:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10579; Fri, 5 May 2000 03:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 03:22:58 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-44.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.44]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA13116 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 03:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000505032419.01436100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 03:24:19 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: The UK plans. In-Reply-To: <3912658B.37DC92D3@gate.net> References: <001901bfb5af$3dacc3e0$ef0d4a0c@701c> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:09 AM 05/05/2000 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >there is an insurance policy that can be had for about $300 that covers >everythjing, even aunt bertha feeding the laptop to an elephant at the zoo.. >:-) Ugh, who would want to do THAT data recovery. >;-P ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri May 5 05:18:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA18433 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 05:18:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08981; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 02:55:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08908; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:55:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08895; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 02:55:24 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-153.gate.net [199.227.20.216]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA173040; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:55:18 -0400 Message-ID: <39127067.E16A8F93@gate.net> Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 02:55:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Geza.Szivos@sivco.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 256M Memory for the new Thinkpad References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id CAA08981 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA18434 the 256meg DIMM's are available.. but i think you might not like todays price of $825.. when i can sell a 128meg for $199.. give it a few months (or maybe less) for the price to become reasonable.. Geza.Szivos@sivco.com wrote: > I was looking for the 256M memory modules for the new thinkpads, but could > not find in the IBM site. Does anyone knows when it will be available? > There is no point to buy 128M RAM and throw it out later. > Geza > > Geza Szivos > mailto:Geza.Szivos@SIVCO.com > System Analyst/eDBA > > Certified VisualAge for C++ Object Oriented Developer, > Certified WebSphere, DB2 and VisualAge Java Associate Developer, > VisualWarehouse Specialist, Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, Certified Warp > Server Engineer > > SIVCO Inc. > «Calgary, AB» «Buffalo, NY» «Olympia, WA» > Visit our web page > http://www.sivco.com > Head office: > 118 Arbour Summit Close NW > Calgary, Alberta Canada > T3G 3W2 > > Toll Free Call: (877) 700-2600 > Toll Free Fax: (877) 547-4741 > In Calgary call (403) 208-2600 > Cellular (360) 481-2828 -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri May 5 05:19:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA18441 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 05:19:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07494; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 02:09:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07337; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07324; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 02:09:18 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-153.gate.net [199.227.20.216]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA182590; Fri, 5 May 2000 02:09:07 -0400 Message-ID: <3912658B.37DC92D3@gate.net> Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 02:09:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rudolph wratten CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: The UK plans. References: <001901bfb5af$3dacc3e0$ef0d4a0c@701c> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: there is an insurance policy that can be had for about $300 that covers everythjing, even aunt bertha feeding the laptop to an elephant at the zoo.. :-) rudolph wratten wrote: > Hello. > > We have video of a 600 that, while sitting on a desk, cracked its screen. > The machine was brought in from a very cold place, then turned on, the best > guess is that the back-light had heated the glass, thus the failure. > EZ serve has gone nuts trying to decide what to do. > We simply called the insurance company up, they stated " this is a problem > with the 600s ". > They feel that it something wrong, but pointed out that this is not covered > by insurance, no laptop is in our insurance policy for anything but theft or > fire, so if the thinkpad were to burst in flames while someone were stealing > it?. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri May 5 08:46:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA19429 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 08:46:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00793; Fri, 5 May 2000 08:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 08:44:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29779; Fri, 5 May 2000 08:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww156.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29673; Fri, 5 May 2000 08:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww156.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.56 -> ww156.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 08:44:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 2856 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2000 12:44:53 -0000 Message-ID: <20000505124453.2855.qmail@ww156.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.56 by ww156 for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Fri May 5 12:44:53 GMT 2000 Date: 5 May 00 07:44:53 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA19430 > > I only ask because in NT it made a difference. Any "gotchas?" One big 'gotcha' is NTFS5. Be aware that installing Win2K on a system with existing NTFS4 partitions will automatically 'migrate' them to NTFS5. This is a major problem if that NTFS4 partition contains NT system/program files. I got bit with this when I installed a beta of Win2K on a second HD in my 770. My original NTFS D: drive could not be seen by my NT4 afterwards. Win2K does this 'migration' automatically and does not give you the option to skip it. Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Fri May 5 09:30:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA19716 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 09:30:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04784; Fri, 5 May 2000 09:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 09:29:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04671; Fri, 5 May 2000 09:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04650; Fri, 5 May 2000 09:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 09:29:10 -0400 Received: by PORKCHOP with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 5 May 2000 08:33:02 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: New ThinkPads with EtherJet included Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 08:32:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I think I heard or read somewhere that the A20's with the built in ethernet are delayed for a bit. Does anyone have any details on this? I just ordered an A20p (6TU model, which includes the ethernet) from PC Connection and my rep swears to a 16 May ship date, but I'm suspicious. Thanks. Greg From cph Fri May 5 10:07:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA20065 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 10:07:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07575; Fri, 5 May 2000 10:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 10:04:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07391; Fri, 5 May 2000 10:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07378; Fri, 5 May 2000 10:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 10:04:49 -0400 Received: from default - 63.27.183.16 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 5 May 2000 07:04:43 -0700 Message-ID: <004c01bfb69a$4fb14660$32b81b3f@default> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Subject: AC adapter Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:00:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Anyone know of a source for a barrel type ac adapter, 18V 50-60hz 1.7A? I got a Toshiba T4850ct real cheap and it doesn't have one. I want to make it complete and sell it on ebay and use that money for a THINKPAD! If anybody has one that will work let me know, thanks! Brad From cph Fri May 5 12:43:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21526 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:43:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22061; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 12:41:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21941; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:41:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21928; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:41:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (24.128.1.71 -> chmls06.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 12:41:34 -0400 Received: from desktop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA19062 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:41:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005c01bfb6b0$c61aaec0$e8ca9318@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: References: Subject: Internet problem with W2K client, W98 host Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 12:41:33 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I did a clean install of W2000 on my client laptop and it went fine. I had it install the "typical" network settings, then went back into network properties and entered the IP information necessary for my setup per Windows 98 which I had working previously on the networked laptop and remains on the desktop. (I have cable Internet coming into the Desktop, then Sygate there enables Internet sharing by the Laptop and I use NetBEUI on both computers for file sharing). What I get is this: The laptop LAN indicator shows that I am on the network. I can ping the desktop from the laptop and I get the desktop's files in the laptop's Windows Explorer, and I can ping the Internet server's IP address from the laptop, so it is sharing, and presumably it is on the Internet as well. However, I can't get anything with the browser or my email program -- browser tells me it "cannot find server or DNS error," mail program "can't find pop.ne.mediaone.net." I did mess with the DNS tab and Security tab settings, but wasn't aware of permanently changing them. I've encountered one other person with this problem -- I wonder if anyone knows the answer? Thanks. -- Jeff From cph Fri May 5 12:50:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21573 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:50:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23052; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 12:48:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22964; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22949; Fri, 5 May 2000 12:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 12:48:33 -0400 Received: by PORKCHOP with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 5 May 2000 11:52:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'Jeffrey Baker'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Internet problem with W2K client, W98 host Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:52:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: What happens if you try a tracert by ip address to a machine on the internet? Tracert shows every hop that your packet takes and you can see where the routing is failing. Get the IP address of your mail server or something similar, then go to a DOS prompt and do: tracert (i.e. tracert 216.98.165.1) You will be able to see if the packet gets passed the desktop machine or if it's failing there. Also, are you using a reserved IP address for your laptop or a true internet IP? Greg -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Baker [mailto:plumbush2@mediaone.net] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 11:42 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Internet problem with W2K client, W98 host I did a clean install of W2000 on my client laptop and it went fine. I had it install the "typical" network settings, then went back into network properties and entered the IP information necessary for my setup per Windows 98 which I had working previously on the networked laptop and remains on the desktop. (I have cable Internet coming into the Desktop, then Sygate there enables Internet sharing by the Laptop and I use NetBEUI on both computers for file sharing). What I get is this: The laptop LAN indicator shows that I am on the network. I can ping the desktop from the laptop and I get the desktop's files in the laptop's Windows Explorer, and I can ping the Internet server's IP address from the laptop, so it is sharing, and presumably it is on the Internet as well. However, I can't get anything with the browser or my email program -- browser tells me it "cannot find server or DNS error," mail program "can't find pop.ne.mediaone.net." I did mess with the DNS tab and Security tab settings, but wasn't aware of permanently changing them. I've encountered one other person with this problem -- I wonder if anyone knows the answer? Thanks. -- Jeff From cph Fri May 5 15:01:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA22717 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:01:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05048; Fri, 5 May 2000 14:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 14:56:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04819; Fri, 5 May 2000 14:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04806; Fri, 5 May 2000 14:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 14:56:56 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.180] (helo=139-142-112-180.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 12nnHH-0005dj-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 05 May 2000 11:56:44 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: The UK plans. Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 01:53:58 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <2opE54mip9hM092yn@islandnet.com> References: <001901bfb5af$3dacc3e0$ef0d4a0c@701c> <3.0.6.32.20000505032419.01436100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Lines: 18 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: In article <3.0.6.32.20000505032419.01436100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net>, Mark Bell wrote: >At 02:09 AM 05/05/2000 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >>there is an insurance policy that can be had for about $300 that covers >>everythjing, even aunt bertha feeding the laptop to an elephant at the zoo.. >>:-) > >Ugh, who would want to do THAT data recovery. >;-P > GIGO I do believe it, I do believe it's true. -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/hecate.htm Roads vs Rocks & Neighbourhoods From cph Fri May 5 15:19:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA22883 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:19:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06860; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 15:16:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06758; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06724; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 15:16:33 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA10461; Fri, 5 May 2000 09:16:29 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001901bfb6c6$8bb5f1c0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Brad Burean" , "Think" References: <004c01bfb69a$4fb14660$32b81b3f@default> Subject: Re: AC adapter Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 09:17:24 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: You might do better with this on the Usenet laptops newsgroup, where more people own/have owned Toshibas. Targus makes a nifty "universal" adapter that will work on Toshibas, but you are unlikely to find it anywhere for less than $80 or so; the same adapter is also marketed under the "Port" name. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Burean" To: "Think" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 4:00 AM Subject: AC adapter Anyone know of a source for a barrel type ac adapter, 18V 50-60hz 1.7A? I got a Toshiba T4850ct real cheap and it doesn't have one. I want to make it complete and sell it on ebay and use that money for a THINKPAD! If anybody has one that will work let me know, thanks! Brad From cph Fri May 5 15:48:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA23113 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:48:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09655; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 15:42:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09554; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09540; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:42:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.121 -> pilot021.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 15:42:17 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm457-46.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.152]) by pilot021.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA35716 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:39:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000505152410.00d7b6e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 15:37:36 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Different "color" TFT displays In-Reply-To: <001901bfb6c6$8bb5f1c0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> References: <004c01bfb69a$4fb14660$32b81b3f@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: A couple of weeks ago I got the screen on my i 1451 replaced due to the pink screen problem. The new display is very nice, absolutely perfect pixels and such, but something has finally dawned on me just now, perhaps because I've been up about 28 hours dealing with the love bug-- That is, this i 1451's display now seems to be more blue than before. Putting my i 1480 next to it, it seems more.... well I'm not sure quite how to say it: perhaps more mellow, meaning more red? I have problems/arguments with people about colors at times so its hard for me to describe this. Have folks noticed effects like this? I wonder how much variance there is between screens. Or perhaps, the size of the screen matters, or the kind of backlighting used? If anyone has any links to places that talk about the building of TFT displays I've love to read about them. Thanks, STeve Andre' From cph Fri May 5 15:50:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA23123 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:50:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10151; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 15:45:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10071; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10057; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.109 -> pilot009.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 15:45:49 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm457-11.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.117]) by pilot009.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA70990 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:45:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000505152410.00d7b6e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 15:37:36 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Different "color" TFT displays In-Reply-To: <001901bfb6c6$8bb5f1c0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> References: <004c01bfb69a$4fb14660$32b81b3f@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: A couple of weeks ago I got the screen on my i 1451 replaced due to the pink screen problem. The new display is very nice, absolutely perfect pixels and such, but something has finally dawned on me just now, perhaps because I've been up about 28 hours dealing with the love bug-- That is, this i 1451's display now seems to be more blue than before. Putting my i 1480 next to it, it seems more.... well I'm not sure quite how to say it: perhaps more mellow, meaning more red? I have problems/arguments with people about colors at times so its hard for me to describe this. Have folks noticed effects like this? I wonder how much variance there is between screens. Or perhaps, the size of the screen matters, or the kind of backlighting used? If anyone has any links to places that talk about the building of TFT displays I've love to read about them. Thanks, STeve Andre' From cph Fri May 5 15:57:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA23227 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:57:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11317; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 15:55:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11207; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0e.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11186; Fri, 5 May 2000 15:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0e.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.34 -> www0e.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 15:55:05 -0400 Received: (qmail 26509 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2000 19:54:59 -0000 Message-ID: <20000505195459.26508.qmail@www0e.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.34 by www0e for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Fri May 5 19:54:59 GMT 2000 Date: 5 May 00 14:54:59 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "Jeffrey Baker" Subject: Re: Internet problem with W2K client, W98 host CC: ThinkPad Mailing List X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA23228 Does your Sygate on the desktop do NAT or is it a proxy server? If it's a proxy server then maybe you need some additional proxy configuration in your Internet clients (browser and POP mail). If it's doing NAT, then check to make sure your network card has the IP address you expect it does (because that's the only thing your NAT server will work with). In Win98 checking the IP was done via WINIPCFG. In NT is was with IPCONFIG. I don't remember what Win2K uses. When you mention a successful ping to the 'Internet server', are you referring to a server on the web or to your cable modem? Try pinging an IP address somewhere on the Internet (like www.thinkpads.com = 198.243.126.105) to see if you can actually talk to an external computer. Lastly, you aren't running some type of software firewall (like BlackICE) on your network, are you? Maybe it needs to be told to trust the new PC in order to allow a connection through. HTH, Rob Bell ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Fri May 5 16:21:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA23486 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 16:21:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14090; Fri, 5 May 2000 16:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 16:17:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13969; Fri, 5 May 2000 16:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0u.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13956; Fri, 5 May 2000 16:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0u.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.50 -> www0u.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 16:17:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 9469 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2000 20:17:37 -0000 Message-ID: <20000505201737.9468.qmail@www0u.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.50 by www0u for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Fri May 5 20:17:37 GMT 2000 Date: 5 May 00 15:17:37 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Different color TFT displays X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA23487 You should be able to tell pretty easily if there's a problem. Open a blank Word document (white background) and hold a piece of white paper next to the screen. The screen might not be as bright as the paper, but it shouldn't be any more blue or red than the paper. If it is then it sounds like you have a problem. I've seen desktop monitors do this before when they've had bad connections or if they were going bad. If it's irritating you enough then you should send it back to be fixed. Rob "STeve Andre'" wrote: > A couple of weeks ago I got the screen on my i 1451 replaced due to the > pink screen > problem. The new display is very nice, absolutely perfect pixels and such, > but something > has finally dawned on me just now, perhaps because I've been up about 28 > hours dealing > with the love bug-- > > That is, this i 1451's display now seems to be more blue than > before. Putting my i 1480 > next to it, it seems more.... well I'm not sure quite how to say it: > perhaps more mellow, > meaning more red? I have problems/arguments with people about colors at > times so > its hard for me to describe this. > > Have folks noticed effects like this? I wonder how much variance there is > between > screens. Or perhaps, the size of the screen matters, or the kind of > backlighting used? > If anyone has any links to places that talk about the building of TFT > displays I've love > to read about them. > > Thanks, STeve Andre' ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Fri May 5 17:01:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA23985 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:01:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17440; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 17:00:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17348; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17329; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (24.128.1.71 -> chmls06.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 17:00:14 -0400 Received: from desktop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA18081 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002701bfb6d4$e8f426a0$e8ca9318@ne.mediaone.net> From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: References: Subject: Re: Internet problem with W2K client, W98 host Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:00:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: The problem was not W2000, it was that I needed a Sygate internet connection sharing software upgrade from 3.0 to 3.11, plus a few DNS numbers in the DNS tab as instructed by that upgrade. Simple, now!, and I should have seen it. I received several informed and thoughtful replies from this list, even before the digest is to go out tomorrow, and I thank all of you very much indeed for your help. I'm looking forward to seeing how W2K works out on the TP770Z -- reports from others have certainly been positive. Best, Jeff From cph Fri May 5 17:11:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA24116 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:11:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18260; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 17:10:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18186; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18173; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 17:10:23 -0400 Received: by PORKCHOP with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 5 May 2000 16:14:19 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'STeve Andre''" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Different "color" TFT displays Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:14:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Steve - I have noticed the same thing while having literally seven laptops on our config bench here side by side. Typically I find that the 14.1" IBM's are bluer, while the 13.7" IBM's are "mellower" like you describe. I just purchased two TP 600X's. What I noticed here was that one was somewhat "whiter" than the other - not necessarily brighter, just a whiter white. When you don't have them side by side, it's hard to see the difference. My guess is it has something to due with who manufactured the particular TFT as well as the particular light they put in the unit. Greg -----Original Message----- From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 2:38 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Different "color" TFT displays A couple of weeks ago I got the screen on my i 1451 replaced due to the pink screen problem. The new display is very nice, absolutely perfect pixels and such, but something has finally dawned on me just now, perhaps because I've been up about 28 hours dealing with the love bug-- That is, this i 1451's display now seems to be more blue than before. Putting my i 1480 next to it, it seems more.... well I'm not sure quite how to say it: perhaps more mellow, meaning more red? I have problems/arguments with people about colors at times so its hard for me to describe this. Have folks noticed effects like this? I wonder how much variance there is between screens. Or perhaps, the size of the screen matters, or the kind of backlighting used? If anyone has any links to places that talk about the building of TFT displays I've love to read about them. Thanks, STeve Andre' From cph Fri May 5 17:15:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA24170 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:15:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18751; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 17:14:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18660; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18647; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.109 -> pilot009.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 17:14:24 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm457-11.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.117]) by pilot009.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA48456 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:14:21 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000505171153.00d3eb90@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 17:15:06 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Different color TFT displays In-Reply-To: <20000505201737.9468.qmail@www0u.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Rob--but I'm not so sure that this is as much of a defect, as it is an artifact of the TFT screen itself. Both 1451 and 1480 screens are *nice*. It's just that when I look at the two together I can see a difference. I think ultimately, the "warmer" color of the 1480 is better than the "blue" of the 1451, but not by a lot. What I'm most curious about is if others have seen this. Next week I plan on gathering some of works laptops and putting them all together and seeing what they all look like. --STeve Andre' At 03:17 PM 5/5/00 -0500, Rob Bell wrote: >You should be able to tell pretty easily if there's a problem. Open a blank >Word document (white background) and hold a piece of white paper next to the >screen. The screen might not be as bright as the paper, but it shouldn't be >any more blue or red than the paper. If it is then it sounds like you have a >problem. I've seen desktop monitors do this before when they've had bad >connections or if they were going bad. If it's irritating you enough then you >should send it back to be fixed. > >Rob > >"STeve Andre'" wrote: > > A couple of weeks ago I got the screen on my i 1451 replaced due to the > > > pink screen > > problem. The new display is very nice, absolutely perfect pixels and such, > > > but something > > has finally dawned on me just now, perhaps because I've been up about 28 > > hours dealing > > with the love bug-- > > > > That is, this i 1451's display now seems to be more blue than > > before. Putting my i 1480 > > next to it, it seems more.... well I'm not sure quite how to say it: > > perhaps more mellow, > > meaning more red? I have problems/arguments with people about colors at > > times so > > its hard for me to describe this. > > > > Have folks noticed effects like this? I wonder how much variance there is > > between > > screens. Or perhaps, the size of the screen matters, or the kind of > > backlighting used? > > If anyone has any links to places that talk about the building of TFT > > displays I've love > > to read about them. > > > > Thanks, STeve Andre' > > >____________________________________________________________________ >Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at >http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Fri May 5 17:18:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA24189 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:18:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19082; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 17:16:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18938; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18925; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 17:16:51 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA11053; Fri, 5 May 2000 11:16:48 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002901bfb6d7$5ad81e00$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "STeve Andre'" References: <004c01bfb69a$4fb14660$32b81b3f@default> <4.3.1.0.20000505152410.00d7b6e0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Different "color" TFT displays Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 11:17:43 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I remember a striking difference between the colors on otherwise-identical 701 TFT screens, but I think that's because they used different manufacturers for different runs - the screens might have even had different FRU numbers. - David R. From cph Fri May 5 17:22:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA24219 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:22:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19393; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 17:18:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19253; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19240; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.109 -> pilot009.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 17:18:42 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm457-11.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.117]) by pilot009.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA44384 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:18:37 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000505171718.00d3fc50@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 17:19:22 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: Different "color" TFT displays In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Huh. Thanks for the data. So now I wonder if the flourscent display behind the units can differ somehow. Not knowing how that part is built, it seems logical that that would be the differing item--I wouldn't think the LCDs themselves would have this variance? --STeve Andre' At 04:14 PM 5/5/00 -0500, Greg Langham wrote: >Steve - > >I have noticed the same thing while having literally seven laptops on our >config bench here side by side. Typically I find that the 14.1" IBM's are >bluer, while the 13.7" IBM's are "mellower" like you describe. > >I just purchased two TP 600X's. What I noticed here was that one was >somewhat "whiter" than the other - not necessarily brighter, just a whiter >white. When you don't have them side by side, it's hard to see the >difference. > >My guess is it has something to due with who manufactured the particular TFT >as well as the particular light they put in the unit. > >Greg > >-----Original Message----- >From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] >Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 2:38 PM >To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Different "color" TFT displays > > > A couple of weeks ago I got the screen on my i 1451 replaced due to the >pink screen >problem. The new display is very nice, absolutely perfect pixels and such, >but something >has finally dawned on me just now, perhaps because I've been up about 28 >hours dealing >with the love bug-- > >That is, this i 1451's display now seems to be more blue than >before. Putting my i 1480 >next to it, it seems more.... well I'm not sure quite how to say it: >perhaps more mellow, >meaning more red? I have problems/arguments with people about colors at >times so >its hard for me to describe this. > >Have folks noticed effects like this? I wonder how much variance there is >between >screens. Or perhaps, the size of the screen matters, or the kind of >backlighting used? >If anyone has any links to places that talk about the building of TFT >displays I've love >to read about them. > >Thanks, STeve Andre' From cph Fri May 5 17:23:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA24224 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:23:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19760; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:22:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 17:21:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19611; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19583; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 17:21:32 -0400 Received: by PORKCHOP with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 5 May 2000 16:25:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'STeve Andre''" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Different "color" TFT displays Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 16:25:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I think you may be right. I know regular fluorescent lights can have slightly different warmths to them even though they are supposed to be the same. Also, you will find that these types of lights change color over time. I would say that the 770's we have here have yellowed somewhat over the past year compared to when they were new. They have been used a lot so the screens have been on for many hours. Greg -----Original Message----- From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 4:19 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Different "color" TFT displays Huh. Thanks for the data. So now I wonder if the flourscent display behind the units can differ somehow. Not knowing how that part is built, it seems logical that that would be the differing item--I wouldn't think the LCDs themselves would have this variance? --STeve Andre' At 04:14 PM 5/5/00 -0500, Greg Langham wrote: >Steve - > >I have noticed the same thing while having literally seven laptops on our >config bench here side by side. Typically I find that the 14.1" IBM's are >bluer, while the 13.7" IBM's are "mellower" like you describe. > >I just purchased two TP 600X's. What I noticed here was that one was >somewhat "whiter" than the other - not necessarily brighter, just a whiter >white. When you don't have them side by side, it's hard to see the >difference. > >My guess is it has something to due with who manufactured the particular TFT >as well as the particular light they put in the unit. > >Greg > >-----Original Message----- >From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] >Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 2:38 PM >To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Different "color" TFT displays > > > A couple of weeks ago I got the screen on my i 1451 replaced due to the >pink screen >problem. The new display is very nice, absolutely perfect pixels and such, >but something >has finally dawned on me just now, perhaps because I've been up about 28 >hours dealing >with the love bug-- > >That is, this i 1451's display now seems to be more blue than >before. Putting my i 1480 >next to it, it seems more.... well I'm not sure quite how to say it: >perhaps more mellow, >meaning more red? I have problems/arguments with people about colors at >times so >its hard for me to describe this. > >Have folks noticed effects like this? I wonder how much variance there is >between >screens. Or perhaps, the size of the screen matters, or the kind of >backlighting used? >If anyone has any links to places that talk about the building of TFT >displays I've love >to read about them. > >Thanks, STeve Andre' From cph Fri May 5 21:40:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA25705 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 21:40:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01947; Fri, 5 May 2000 21:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 21:37:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01796; Fri, 5 May 2000 21:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01783; Fri, 5 May 2000 21:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 21:37:56 -0400 Received: from user-38lcf5a.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcf5a.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.60.170]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA12367; Fri, 5 May 2000 21:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005060137.VAA12367@granger.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Dominique Pivard" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 21:45:27 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200005011735.UAA08109@mail.clinet.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: New ThinkPads & OS/2? List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 01 May 2000 20:35:46 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >I guess we have to hope the video/audio/PCMCIA hardware used in these >machines is not too exotic so that OS/2 support can be added even without >IBM's official help. Isn't IBM opening its subscriber device driver list in the near term? Not sure what all is in there, as I don't subscribe. But in the best case it should mean a considerable opening of options. From cph Fri May 5 22:58:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA25993 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 22:58:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07135; Fri, 5 May 2000 22:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 22:56:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07023; Fri, 5 May 2000 22:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07009; Fri, 5 May 2000 22:56:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 22:56:44 -0400 Received: from mail.theriver.com (a1.pm3-53.theriver.com [208.164.100.65]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9A9F926078; Fri, 5 May 2000 19:56:28 -0700 (MST) Date: Fri, 05 May 2000 19:48:09 -0700 To: "Allan Ballard" , "letoured@sover.net" , "thinkpad" In-Reply-To: <200004041959.PAA04403@smtp6.mindspring.com> Subject: RE: Is Memory Just Memory? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 Message-Id: <20000506025629.9A9F926078@pantano.theriver.com> List-Unsubscribe: In <200004041959.PAA04403@smtp6.mindspring.com>, on 04/04/00 at 04:04 AM, "Allan Ballard" said: >Voice Type Dictation is not just an exception. It is a whopper >exception. You ain't joking! And StarOffice is another. I have 96MB in my Dell box (and 40MB in my Thinkpad). Can run a few applications without "hitting" the Swap file. Open Staroffice on either machine and the swap file "grows". I had a 96MB swap file here tonight.... >I run this OS/2 Warp box with 64Mb and seldom do I go to the swapper >file. When I used VTD, well, different story. >But for the usual day, say, using Lotus, checking the mail, browsing >newsgroups, spinning a tune on the CD and hitting a few www sites, >64Mb is just fine. Yep. You can do those things, but I'm staying away from Lotus for now. >I had to take Warp off the TP in order to use their email, much to my >chagrin. > Whose? James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From cph Fri May 5 23:03:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA26028 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:03:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07555; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:01:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 23:01:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07482; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07469; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 23:01:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA68503; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:01:27 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:01:27 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: os2support@theriver.com cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Introduces the ThinkPad A Series and ThinkPad T Series In-Reply-To: <20000506025617.ABCE22600D@pantano.theriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 5 May 2000 os2support@theriver.com wrote: > In , on > 05/01/00 > at 09:32 AM, Vincent Poy said: > > > >> >The high-end ThinkPad A20p incorporates exceptional graphics performance > >> >including: the ATI Rage (TM) Mobility 128 video chip, 16MB VRAM, S-video > >> >in and out ports for video capture and playback; MGI VideoWave III video > >> >editing software; DVI support via docking; an Intel Mobile Pentium III > >> >processor at 700MHz featuring Intel Speetep (TM) technology; 128MB RAM > >> >(upgradable to 512MB); 18GB hh SXGA Plus (1400x1050) display; all in a > >> >1.5-inch (4) profile. > >> > >> Crap, IBM went with the aging ATI chipset....I would have definitely > >> prefered S3's new chipset used in the Toshiba 8100 series. :( > > > Hmmm, is the ATI really that bad? I would prefer the Matrox G400 or > >even the upcoming G450 =) > > Got an RagePro in my Dell box and it is quite speedy (except WinOS/2 > and that is the GRADD drivers fault.) > > There was a "bad batch" of M64 chips and they caused all sorts of > problems.... > > And ATI had a serious problem with getting good OS/2 drivers, but they > "smartly" contracted out the work. Hmmm, ATI is supposed to be the most stable chipset even though it isn't the fastest. S3 is good too... It seems like the T20 series use S3 chips while the A20 use ATI chips. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Fri May 5 23:03:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA26032 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:03:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07710; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 23:02:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07637; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07606; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 23:01:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA68535; Fri, 5 May 2000 17:02:11 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 17:02:11 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: os2support@theriver.com cc: Allan Ballard , "letoured@sover.net" , thinkpad Subject: RE: Is Memory Just Memory? In-Reply-To: <20000506025629.9A9F926078@pantano.theriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 5 May 2000 os2support@theriver.com wrote: > In <200004041959.PAA04403@smtp6.mindspring.com>, on 04/04/00 > at 04:04 AM, "Allan Ballard" said: > > >Voice Type Dictation is not just an exception. It is a whopper > >exception. > > You ain't joking! And StarOffice is another. I have 96MB in my Dell > box (and 40MB in my Thinkpad). Can run a few applications without > "hitting" the Swap file. Open Staroffice on either machine and the > swap file "grows". I had a 96MB swap file here tonight.... Speaking about resources, does StarOffice take more Windows resources or does Microsoft Office 2000? Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Fri May 5 23:40:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA26233 for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:40:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10050; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 5 May 2000 23:39:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09977; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09964; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.net (199.185.220.111 -> edtnes11.telus.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 5 May 2000 23:38:57 -0400 Received: from defiant ([209.53.9.13]) by priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.11 201-229-116-111) with SMTP id <20000506033852.KQDG20085.priv-edtnes11-hme0.telusplanet.net@defiant> for ; Fri, 5 May 2000 21:38:52 -0600 From: "Ryan Hung" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: EZServ this week Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 20:39:12 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000426122613.009bd3e0@pop.mindspring.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I know this is a rather late followup on the thread, but do people know what exactly is the official policy for EZServ on getting things like the rubber flaps over the floppy and USB ports fixed? When I had my TP600 in for servicing (intermittent screen flicker-out) with IBM Canada's EZServ a few weeks ago, I asked the customer service rep on the phone whether I could have the rubber flaps fixed (the floppy one had fallen off, while the one covering the ports at the back is starting to get loose). He responded that these were only cosmetic issues and not covered by the warranty. I didn't press it, but now hearing this, I wonder if I should have? Needless to say, I got my TP600 back with a beautiful new LCD (2 dead pixels that I've found so far), but with my own piece of tape still stuck over the floppy port. Ryan. - -----Original Message----- From: Jane Loyless [mailto:jloyless@netbox.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 9:26 AM To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: EZServ this week Well, I continue to lead a charmed life as far as EZServ is concerned. The keyboard on my TP600 was having intermittent problems over the last week or so, and the doors over the USB and floppy ports were tearing loose. Over the weekend, the keyboard problem got worse, and I called for service on Monday. When they called me back around 5PM EDT to verify the address for shipping the fancy box, I told them I had a box (one of the old sling boxes) and just needed the shipping info and tracking number and that I really, really, really, really needed it back before my teammate got back in the office on Friday (using her 600 with my drive). They said that while they couldn't promise it would be back by then, it looked feasible since it was a simple repair. They gave me the shipping info (still shipped me the fancy box Just In Case) and faxed me an inventory form to send with it so that I could ship it out on Monday. I dropped the box off at Airborne around 6:30PM, and it was in Memphis by 3:30AM on Tuesday. Got it back first thing this morning (Wednesday) with a new keyboard and new port doors. Seems to be in perfect working order so far thanks to Zakery (IBM Certified Repair Technician) and Robert Day (Inspector). Needless to say, I followed my own advice and removed everything that wasn't nailed down before shipping it. EZServ just got an empty shell with keyboard and screen. The guy that had called me originally got quite a chuckle when, in answer to a query about my data being backed up, he got a tart "You're not getting my drive!". As always, YMMV. Jane -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBOROTjwWlozyTIQ4YEQJPRACggGjzliiaS4BG5ONHpf1b0K3UdqAAoNQ9 QRrBthmbO5uvDsiJMIlwVkXt =B7Wk -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Sat May 6 01:51:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA26811 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 01:51:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14366; Sat, 6 May 2000 01:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 01:48:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14212; Sat, 6 May 2000 01:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14199; Sat, 6 May 2000 01:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 01:48:43 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-50.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.50]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA16289 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 08:48:41 +0300 Message-Id: <200005060548.IAA16289@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 08:48:45 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200005060137.VAA12367@granger.mail.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: New ThinkPads & OS/2? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19za/19za List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id BAA14366 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id BAA26812 On Fri, 05 May 2000 at 09:45 PM you, "Allan Ballard" , said: >>I guess we have to hope the video/audio/PCMCIA hardware used in these >>machines is not too exotic so that OS/2 support can be added even without >>IBM's official help. >Isn't IBM opening its subscriber device driver list in the near term? Not >sure what all is in there, as I don't subscribe. But in the best case it >should mean a considerable opening of options. Actually, based on an annoncement (http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/usalets&parms=H_100-116) mentioned by a fellow list member a few days ago, it appears at least the T20 supports OS/2: Software Requirements: The following operating systems support the ThinkPad T20: OS/2® Warp Version 4 (with FixPack 11, or later) OS/2 Warp Version 4, Japanese (with FixPack FX05005, or later) Windows  98 Second Edition Windows 98 Windows 95 Windows NT  Workstation 4.011 Windows NT Workstation 4.0 Japanese11 Windows 2000 Note: Previous versions of these operating systems are not supported: PC DOS 7.0 Windows 3.0 MS-DOS 6.0 OS/2 Version 3.0 Windows NT 3.51 -Dominique From cph Sat May 6 02:02:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA26837 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:02:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14920; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 02:00:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14839; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:00:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14826; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.109 -> pilot009.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 02:00:35 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port39.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.40]) by pilot009.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA03454 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:00:31 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000506015304.00d3eaf0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 02:00:47 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Dead pixels? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Seeing a comment not too long ago about a replacement display with two bad pixels makes me wonder how often displays have imperfections these days. In the last six ThinkPad's I've gotten I've had nothing but perfect displays. In thinking about it, I'm not sure I have had *any* bad pixels on any ThinkPad in the time I've been at my current job. This is over i Series, 390 units, 600's and a 770. Am I blessed in this regard, or are perfect displays almost common now? --STeve Andre' From cph Sat May 6 02:05:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA26863 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:05:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15738; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 02:04:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15616; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15600; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 02:04:18 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-117.gate.net [207.36.212.117]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA24498; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:04:13 -0400 Message-ID: <3913B5EC.EF4F0266@gate.net> Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 02:04:28 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Hung CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: EZServ this week References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: A good case can be made for replacing these parts.. i would try either: 1. plead with the tech, to "oh, please, PLEASE replace those little flaps so my aging grandmother can type without the lose flaps hurting her knee (insert any part of the anatomy here).. :-) or 2. DEMAND to speak to a supervisor, point out that these parts are obviously wearing out before the warranty is up, and that they are NOT cosmetic, they serve to keep dust and dirt from fouling the plug or socket or whatever is hiding behind the little door #3.. :-) in short, DEMAND or plead.. :-) Ryan Hung wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I know this is a rather late followup on the thread, but do people > know what exactly is the official policy for EZServ on getting things > like the rubber flaps over the floppy and USB ports fixed? When I > had my TP600 in for servicing (intermittent screen flicker-out) with > IBM Canada's EZServ a few weeks ago, I asked the customer service rep > on the phone whether I could have the rubber flaps fixed (the floppy > one had fallen off, while the one covering the ports at the back is > starting to get loose). He responded that these were only cosmetic > issues and not covered by the warranty. I didn't press it, but now > hearing this, I wonder if I should have? Needless to say, I got my > TP600 back with a beautiful new LCD (2 dead pixels that I've found so > far), but with my own piece of tape still stuck over the floppy port. > > Ryan. > > - -----Original Message----- > From: Jane Loyless [mailto:jloyless@netbox.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 9:26 AM > To: ThinkPad Mailing List > Subject: EZServ this week > > Well, I continue to lead a charmed life as far as EZServ is > concerned. > > The keyboard on my TP600 was having intermittent problems over the > last > week or so, and the doors over the USB and floppy ports were tearing > loose. > Over the weekend, the keyboard problem got worse, and I called for > service > on Monday. > > When they called me back around 5PM EDT to verify the address for > shipping > the fancy box, I told them I had a box (one of the old sling boxes) > and > just needed the shipping info and tracking number and that I really, > really, really, really needed it back before my teammate got back in > the > office on Friday (using her 600 with my drive). They said that while > they > couldn't promise it would be back by then, it looked feasible since > it was > a simple repair. > > They gave me the shipping info (still shipped me the fancy box Just > In > Case) and faxed me an inventory form to send with it so that I could > ship > it out on Monday. I dropped the box off at Airborne around 6:30PM, > and it > was in Memphis by 3:30AM on Tuesday. > > Got it back first thing this morning (Wednesday) with a new keyboard > and > new port doors. Seems to be in perfect working order so far thanks > to > Zakery (IBM Certified Repair Technician) and Robert Day (Inspector). > > Needless to say, I followed my own advice and removed everything that > wasn't nailed down before shipping it. EZServ just got an empty > shell with > keyboard and screen. The guy that had called me originally got quite > a > chuckle when, in answer to a query about my data being backed up, he > got a > tart "You're not getting my drive!". > > As always, YMMV. > > Jane > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use > > iQA/AwUBOROTjwWlozyTIQ4YEQJPRACggGjzliiaS4BG5ONHpf1b0K3UdqAAoNQ9 > QRrBthmbO5uvDsiJMIlwVkXt > =B7Wk > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat May 6 02:18:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA26900 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:18:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17108; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 02:17:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17024; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17010; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 02:17:49 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-117.gate.net [207.36.212.117]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA26016; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:17:46 -0400 Message-ID: <3913B918.3F1657DE@gate.net> Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 02:18:00 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Dead pixels? References: <4.3.1.0.20000506015304.00d3eaf0@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: perfect displays seem to be the rule rather than the exception.. more pixels, fewer stuck on pixels.. STeve Andre' wrote: > Seeing a comment not too long ago about a replacement display with two bad > pixels makes me wonder how often displays have imperfections these days. > > In the last six ThinkPad's I've gotten I've had nothing but perfect > displays. In > thinking about it, I'm not sure I have had *any* bad pixels on any ThinkPad > in the time I've been at my current job. This is over i Series, 390 units, > 600's > and a 770. > > Am I blessed in this regard, or are perfect displays almost common now? > > --STeve Andre' -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat May 6 02:19:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA26906 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:19:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17291; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 02:18:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17218; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:18:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17205; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:18:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 02:18:45 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.248]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000506061843.NNRR4781.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 06:18:43 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000506021813.00a4c990@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 02:18:13 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: EZServ this week In-Reply-To: <3913B5EC.EF4F0266@gate.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:04 AM 05/06/2000 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >1. plead with the tech, to "oh, please, PLEASE replace those little flaps so my aging >grandmother can type without the lose flaps hurting her knee (insert any part of the >anatomy here).. :-) > A female voice with a heavy Southern accent is a great advantage! Jane From cph Sat May 6 02:34:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA26955 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:34:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17992; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 02:34:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17919; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:34:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17906; Sat, 6 May 2000 02:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (207.181.194.97 -> oberon.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 02:34:01 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by oberon.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA88067; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:33:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from think2k (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA72469; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:33:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000f01bfb725$25358280$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" , "Jane Loyless" References: <3.0.1.32.20000506021813.00a4c990@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: EZServ this week Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:34:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Speak for yourself, Jane. I'm definitely a boy and I was raised in Scotland for the first 16 years of my life. Works wonders. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Loyless" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 11:18 PM Subject: Re: EZServ this week > At 02:04 AM 05/06/2000 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > > >1. plead with the tech, to "oh, please, PLEASE replace those little flaps > so my aging > >grandmother can type without the lose flaps hurting her knee (insert any > part of the > >anatomy here).. :-) > > > > A female voice with a heavy Southern accent is a great advantage! > > Jane > > From cph Sat May 6 04:07:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA27210 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 04:07:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22691; Sat, 6 May 2000 04:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 04:05:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22469; Sat, 6 May 2000 04:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22438; Sat, 6 May 2000 04:05:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 04:05:27 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA12893; Fri, 5 May 2000 22:05:21 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000d01bfb731$f543b940$2b62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Vincent Poy" Cc: References: Subject: [TPnew] Re: IBM Introduces the ThinkPad A Series and ThinkPad T Series Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:06:15 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: ATI has several things in their favor: (1) good 2-D performance, with very good text display quality; (2) a conservative approach to drivers; (3) they're not going anywhere - the shakeout in the video board industry shows no sign of abating, and ATI is a pretty good bet to survive. - David R. From cph Sat May 6 04:11:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA27222 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 04:11:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23112; Sat, 6 May 2000 04:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 04:10:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23033; Sat, 6 May 2000 04:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23020; Sat, 6 May 2000 04:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 04:10:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA73308; Fri, 5 May 2000 22:10:56 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 22:10:55 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: David Ross cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TPnew] Re: IBM Introduces the ThinkPad A Series and ThinkPad T Series In-Reply-To: <000d01bfb731$f543b940$2b62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 5 May 2000, David Ross wrote: > ATI has several things in their favor: (1) good 2-D performance, with > very good text display quality; > (2) a conservative approach to drivers; (3) they're not going anywhere - > the shakeout in the video > board industry shows no sign of abating, and ATI is a pretty good bet to > survive. True since it seems like ATI, Matrox is probably the only ones who makes their own boards as well as the chips. S3 was more outsourced until they bought Diamond Multimedia. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Sat May 6 04:33:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA27306 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 04:33:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24118; Sat, 6 May 2000 04:29:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 04:29:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24045; Sat, 6 May 2000 04:29:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from microvst.dircon.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24031; Sat, 6 May 2000 04:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from microvst.dircon.co.uk (194.112.47.223 -> microvst.dircon.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 04:29:25 -0400 Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 09:14:25 +0100 BST From: tgold@panix.com (Anthony R. Gold) Reply-To: tgold@panix.com Message-Id: <2001782@panix.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Products X-Mailer: PCElm 1.12 beta 3 Lines: 18 List-Unsubscribe: Right now Egghead/Onsale is selling UltraslimBay Zip 100 drives. It's an auction of seven pieces and the current bid price is $36: http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00049167/02826579.htm They're also selling the PCMCIA Travelstar 8E which is a portable PCMCIA 8GB drive powered from the supplied PC Card, again it's being auctioned, also seven pieces with a current bid price of $148: http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00049178/02851445.htm I recall someone once bemoaning the fact that the IBM TP600 line cord was only around 3ft long. An alternative is to get a Compaq Armada 1500 line cord which is 10ft long. It's sold by CDW. Regards, -- Tony - G3SKR / W2TG email: tgold@panix.com From cph Sat May 6 05:05:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA27409 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 05:05:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25487; Sat, 6 May 2000 05:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 05:04:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25414; Sat, 6 May 2000 05:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25401; Sat, 6 May 2000 05:04:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 05:04:23 -0400 Received: from user-38lcfdc.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcfdc.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.61.172]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA18897; Sat, 6 May 2000 05:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005060903.FAA18897@granger.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "letoured@sover.net" , "os2support@theriver.com" , "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 05:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000506025629.9A9F926078@pantano.theriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Is Memory Just Memory? List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 05 May 2000 19:48:09 -0700, os2support@theriver.com wrote: > >>I had to take Warp off the TP in order to use their email, much to my >>chagrin. > > >Whose? MS Exchange From cph Sat May 6 05:08:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA27422 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 05:08:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25832; Sat, 6 May 2000 05:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 05:05:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25667; Sat, 6 May 2000 05:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25596; Sat, 6 May 2000 05:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 05:05:16 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA13040; Fri, 5 May 2000 23:05:03 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003e01bfb73a$4c79cc60$2b62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , References: <2001782@panix.com> Subject: [TPall] AC line cords (was: Re: Products) Date: Fri, 5 May 2000 23:05:57 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Anthony Gold wrote: "I recall someone once bemoaning the fact that the IBM TP600 line cord was only around 3ft long." I don't understand the evolution of the TP power supplies. I just bought a new adapter to supplement the one from my older 560. The new part (02K6543) is in many ways a step backwards: thicker and longer (though not as wide), and a short nonstandard three-connection line cord instead of the 2-prong C8 'teakettle' cord which has become a convenient standard. - David R. From cph Sat May 6 05:09:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA27426 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 05:09:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25951; Sat, 6 May 2000 05:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 05:06:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25731; Sat, 6 May 2000 05:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25718; Sat, 6 May 2000 05:06:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 05:06:55 -0400 Received: from user-38lcfdc.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcfdc.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.61.172]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA00991; Sat, 6 May 2000 05:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005060906.FAA00991@granger.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "os2support@theriver.com" , "Vincent Poy" Cc: "letoured@sover.net" , "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 05:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Is Memory Just Memory? List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 5 May 2000 17:02:11 -1000 (HST), Vincent Poy wrote: > Speaking about resources, does StarOffice take more Windows >resources or does Microsoft Office 2000? I am not currently using StarOffice, but don't recall a problem. I prefer Lotus. In my view Off2000 would likely provide a better suite, but comes with the usual OS problems. From cph Sat May 6 08:25:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA28037 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 08:25:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06814; Sat, 6 May 2000 08:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 08:23:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06706; Sat, 6 May 2000 08:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06693; Sat, 6 May 2000 08:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 08:23:41 -0400 Received: from tp466 ([12.79.39.73]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000506122339.ATO27191.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@tp466>; Sat, 6 May 2000 12:23:39 +0000 Message-ID: <003601bfb76f$197034a0$49274f0c@tp466> From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: , "STeve Andre'" References: <4.3.1.0.20000506015304.00d3eaf0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Dead pixels? Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 08:23:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: My 701C and 560C both had a couple of bad pixels. My i1480 came with a perfect screen, no bad pixels. After several weeks, one red pixel appeard. I applied light pressure to it (not recommended for the faint hearted) and it joined the ranks of the un-dead. jim ----- Original Message ----- From: STeve Andre' To: Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 11:00 PM Subject: Dead pixels? > Seeing a comment not too long ago about a replacement display with two bad > pixels makes me wonder how often displays have imperfections these days. > > In the last six ThinkPad's I've gotten I've had nothing but perfect > displays. In > thinking about it, I'm not sure I have had *any* bad pixels on any ThinkPad > in the time I've been at my current job. This is over i Series, 390 units, > 600's > and a 770. > > Am I blessed in this regard, or are perfect displays almost common now? > > --STeve Andre' > From cph Sat May 6 11:06:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA28541 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:06:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11432; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 11:05:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11239; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11226; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:05:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.58 -> mail8.wlv.netzero.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 11:05:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 7306 invoked by uid 0); 6 May 2000 15:05:28 -0000 Received: from ip19.tucson14.az.pub-ip.psi.net (HELO netzero.net) (38.29.181.19) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 6 May 2000 15:05:28 -0000 Message-ID: <39143499.45BBA7C2@netzero.net> Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 08:04:57 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EZServ this week Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill's suggestions are *always* great but before calling, check the IBM hardware manual for your TP [if you can't locate it online, ask the list and Jane will step in with a terse URL quotation ;-) ]. Before I called for peeling paint I checked in the TP770 manual for what was defined as cosmetic. I remember that it mentioned "cosmetic" re "scratches" but I don't remember if it mentioned "plastic parts". Anyhow, don't tell the tech what the manual says. S/he should know it. Just use the info if the tech tells you something contradicting it. Lack of precise definition of an alleged *covered benefit* seems to have been the idea of HMOs that don't tell you how do they define if a given procedure is "medically needed". I think that Bill also said it some other time: be nice before showing them you're angry. Sometimes they *do* things as a *courtesy* rather than *by the book* (as per one of the techs in IBM's phone help line). Bill Morrow wrote: > > A good case can be made for replacing these parts.. > i would try either: > 1. plead with the tech, to "oh, please, PLEASE replace those little flaps so my aging > grandmother can type without the lose flaps hurting her knee (insert any part of the > anatomy here).. :-) > or > 2. DEMAND to speak to a supervisor, point out that these parts are obviously wearing out > before the warranty is up, and that they are NOT cosmetic, they serve to keep dust and > dirt from fouling the plug or socket or whatever is hiding behind the little door #3.. > :-) > > in short, DEMAND or plead.. :-) > > Ryan Hung wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I know this is a rather late followup on the thread, but do people > > know what exactly is the official policy for EZServ on getting things > > like the rubber flaps over the floppy and USB ports fixed? When I > > had my TP600 in for servicing (intermittent screen flicker-out) with > > IBM Canada's EZServ a few weeks ago, I asked the customer service rep > > on the phone whether I could have the rubber flaps fixed (the floppy > > one had fallen off, while the one covering the ports at the back is > > starting to get loose). He responded that these were only cosmetic > > issues and not covered by the warranty. I didn't press it, but now > > hearing this, I wonder if I should have? Needless to say, I got my > > TP600 back with a beautiful new LCD (2 dead pixels that I've found so > > far), but with my own piece of tape still stuck over the floppy port. > > > > Ryan. > > > > - -----Original Message----- > > From: Jane Loyless [mailto:jloyless@netbox.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 9:26 AM > > To: ThinkPad Mailing List > > Subject: EZServ this week > > > > Well, I continue to lead a charmed life as far as EZServ is > > concerned. > > > > The keyboard on my TP600 was having intermittent problems over the > > last > > week or so, and the doors over the USB and floppy ports were tearing > > loose. > > Over the weekend, the keyboard problem got worse, and I called for > > service > > on Monday. > > > > When they called me back around 5PM EDT to verify the address for > > shipping > > the fancy box, I told them I had a box (one of the old sling boxes) > > and > > just needed the shipping info and tracking number and that I really, > > really, really, really needed it back before my teammate got back in > > the > > office on Friday (using her 600 with my drive). They said that while > > they > > couldn't promise it would be back by then, it looked feasible since > > it was > > a simple repair. > > > > They gave me the shipping info (still shipped me the fancy box Just > > In > > Case) and faxed me an inventory form to send with it so that I could > > ship > > it out on Monday. I dropped the box off at Airborne around 6:30PM, > > and it > > was in Memphis by 3:30AM on Tuesday. > > > > Got it back first thing this morning (Wednesday) with a new keyboard > > and > > new port doors. Seems to be in perfect working order so far thanks > > to > > Zakery (IBM Certified Repair Technician) and Robert Day (Inspector). > > > > Needless to say, I followed my own advice and removed everything that > > wasn't nailed down before shipping it. EZServ just got an empty > > shell with > > keyboard and screen. The guy that had called me originally got quite > > a > > chuckle when, in answer to a query about my data being backed up, he > > got a > > tart "You're not getting my drive!". > > > > As always, YMMV. > > > > Jane > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use > > > > iQA/AwUBOROTjwWlozyTIQ4YEQJPRACggGjzliiaS4BG5ONHpf1b0K3UdqAAoNQ9 > > QRrBthmbO5uvDsiJMIlwVkXt > > =B7Wk > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Sat May 6 11:19:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA28606 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:19:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11850; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 11:18:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11777; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11764; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 11:18:24 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.58.102]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000506151822.PVAJ4781.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 15:18:22 +0000 Message-ID: <000201bfb76d$afa7ef00$663a4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: AC adapter Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 10:04:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. Here in TEXAS, there is a place called Tanner electronics. They sell laptop adapters for around $ 10.00 brand new surplus stock. The voltage and current ratings are what you want although the barrel may be the wrong size. With this in mind, you may try other surplus electronics outlets in your area or I can hunt the phone number for tanners down and you can give them a call, also, there are several mail order firms dealing in this type of thing, perhaps this or ebay might be the route to go. As always, have fun. From cph Sat May 6 11:44:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA28717 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:44:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12770; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 11:42:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12691; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12678; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.110 -> pilot010.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 11:42:56 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port06.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.7]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA64960 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:42:52 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000506113923.00d6e6e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 11:42:41 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [TPall] AC line cords (was: Re: Products) In-Reply-To: <003e01bfb73a$4c79cc60$2b62183f@math.hawaii.edu> References: <2001782@panix.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I would assume that the change to the three connection line cord is because of increased safety concerns over grounding problems. I've seen other smallish consumer items switch over to grounded outlets recently. --STeve Andre' At 11:05 PM 5/5/00 -1000, David Ross wrote: >Anthony Gold wrote: > >"I recall someone once bemoaning the fact that the IBM TP600 line >cord was only around 3ft long." > >I don't understand the evolution of the TP power supplies. I just >bought a new adapter to >supplement the one from my older 560. The new part (02K6543) is in many >ways a step backwards: >thicker and longer (though not as wide), and a short nonstandard >three-connection line cord >instead of the 2-prong C8 'teakettle' cord which has become a convenient >standard. > >- David R. > > From cph Sat May 6 11:56:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA28760 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:56:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13301; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 11:55:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13219; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13205; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.103 -> pilot003.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 11:55:01 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port06.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.7]) by pilot003.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA34070; Sat, 6 May 2000 11:54:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000506115123.00db18f0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 11:54:44 -0400 To: "Jim Biggerstaff" , From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Dead pixels? In-Reply-To: <003601bfb76f$197034a0$49274f0c@tp466> References: <4.3.1.0.20000506015304.00d3eaf0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Pressure fixed a dead pixel?!? Yikes! I'll think about trying that if I encounter a bad one sometime. I wouldn't expect that it would be a permanent solution though. Imagine, moving some peice of microscopically small metal around... --STeve Andre' At 08:23 AM 5/6/00 -0700, Jim Biggerstaff wrote: >My 701C and 560C both had a couple of bad pixels. > >My i1480 came with a perfect screen, no bad pixels. After several weeks, >one red pixel appeard. > >I applied light pressure to it (not recommended for the faint hearted) and >it joined the ranks of the un-dead. > >jim From cph Sat May 6 13:38:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA29091 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 13:38:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19967; Sat, 6 May 2000 13:36:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 13:36:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19866; Sat, 6 May 2000 13:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19853; Sat, 6 May 2000 13:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 13:35:59 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA24936; Sat, 6 May 2000 10:35:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "STeve Andre'" , Subject: RE: Different "color" TFT displays Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 10:35:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000505171718.00d3fc50@pilot.msu.edu> X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > Huh. Thanks for the data. So now I wonder if the flourscent display behind the > units can differ somehow. Not knowing how that part is built, it seems logical > that that would be the differing item--I wouldn't think the LCDs themselves > would have this variance? I think you're right: Different fluorescent tubes have different color balance. Consider that you can buy "kitchen/bath" fluorescent tubes that have a reddish cast compared to the greenish cast of typical fluorescent tubes. I have two TP600s with very different color balances--one is much bluer than the other. -Mike From cph Sat May 6 16:37:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA29651 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 16:37:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27251; Sat, 6 May 2000 16:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 16:35:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27101; Sat, 6 May 2000 16:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27086; Sat, 6 May 2000 16:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 16:35:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA87052; Sat, 6 May 2000 10:36:00 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 10:36:00 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Allan Ballard cc: "os2support@theriver.com" , "letoured@sover.net" , thinkpad Subject: RE: Is Memory Just Memory? In-Reply-To: <200005060906.FAA00991@granger.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 6 May 2000, Allan Ballard wrote: > On Fri, 5 May 2000 17:02:11 -1000 (HST), Vincent Poy wrote: > > > Speaking about resources, does StarOffice take more Windows > >resources or does Microsoft Office 2000? > > I am not currently using StarOffice, but don't recall a problem. I prefer > Lotus. In my view Off2000 would likely provide a better suite, but > comes with the usual OS problems. I tried StarOffice 5.2 Beta under both Win98SE and ME Beta and the problem seems to be it drains resources as soon as I open the program. I'm just wondering if Office2K would be any better in resource management. As for Lotus, do they still use AMI Pro? Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Sat May 6 16:43:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA29690 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 16:43:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27735; Sat, 6 May 2000 16:43:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 16:43:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27652; Sat, 6 May 2000 16:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27639; Sat, 6 May 2000 16:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 16:43:16 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.12.22]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000506204312.IFZV12683.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 20:43:12 +0000 Message-ID: <001001bfb79b$0f82afa0$160c4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Screen color Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 15:38:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. I have, replaced the cold-cathode lamp before. It is recommended that if there is more than one, they be replaced all at once. I had been given a package that had one broken tube, they had another package, also with one broken tube. I put both tubes in one display, I now have a display that is somewhat red on top and a bit blue on the bottom. I have no reason to change it, the tubes were given to me, but it does look a little strange. From cph Sat May 6 20:33:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA30546 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 20:33:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05169; Sat, 6 May 2000 20:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 20:31:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05003; Sat, 6 May 2000 20:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04977; Sat, 6 May 2000 20:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 20:31:37 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA14535; Sat, 6 May 2000 14:31:27 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001301bfb7bb$b8b1f160$bd62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "STeve Andre'" References: <2001782@panix.com> <4.3.1.0.20000506113923.00d6e6e0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: [TPall] AC line cords (was: Re: Products) Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 14:32:21 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "I would assume that the change to the three connection line cord is because of increased safety concerns over grounding problems. " Possibly, though I find it hard to believe that my little ThinkPad is more of a fire hazard than those honking great 240 volt European immersion-element electric teakettles that usually use the 2-wire cords. - David From cph Sat May 6 20:40:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA30568 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 20:40:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05676; Sat, 6 May 2000 20:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 20:40:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05602; Sat, 6 May 2000 20:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05587; Sat, 6 May 2000 20:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 20:39:53 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial38.auto-net.com [208.154.252.87]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA55101 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 19:27:06 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <3914D787.940701A2@iso.net> Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 19:40:07 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: AC adapter References: <000201bfb76d$afa7ef00$663a4a0c@701c> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Try Bill rudolph wratten wrote: > Hello. > > Here in TEXAS, there is a place called Tanner electronics. > They sell laptop adapters for around $ 10.00 brand new surplus stock. > The voltage and current ratings are what you want although the barrel may be > the wrong size. > With this in mind, you may try other surplus electronics outlets in your > area or I can hunt the phone number for tanners down and you can give them a > call, also, there are several mail order firms dealing in this type of > thing, perhaps this or ebay might be the route to go. > > As always, have fun. From cph Sat May 6 20:55:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA30603 for ; Sat, 6 May 2000 20:55:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06432; Sat, 6 May 2000 20:54:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 20:54:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06355; Sat, 6 May 2000 20:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06342; Sat, 6 May 2000 20:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.122 -> pilot022.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 20:54:10 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port17.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.18]) by pilot022.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA23902; Sat, 6 May 2000 20:54:05 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000506203726.00d3e8d0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 06 May 2000 20:53:20 -0400 To: "David Ross" , From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [TPall] AC line cords (was: Re: Products) In-Reply-To: <001301bfb7bb$b8b1f160$bd62183f@math.hawaii.edu> References: <2001782@panix.com> <4.3.1.0.20000506113923.00d6e6e0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Well, yes, I FULLY agree with that, but have now had enough run-ins with city and federal electrical laws that common sense *does not* enter into the equation at all. One of my latest examples is where I work, plug-strips were banned for a while--you had to get permission to use them, first. For some reason this changed, and now I can get them again. The other possibility is that some country now demands three-prong cords for every- thing, and companies default to using them everywhere now? Given all the complexities of international power (all the different regulations) I can see trying to make things as simple as possible. --STeve Andre' At 02:32 PM 5/6/00 -1000, David Ross wrote: >"I would assume that the change to the three connection line cord is >because of increased safety concerns over grounding problems. " > >Possibly, though I find it hard to believe that my little ThinkPad is >more of a fire hazard than >those honking great 240 volt European immersion-element electric >teakettles that usually >use the 2-wire cords. > >- David From cph Sun May 7 00:00:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA31293 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 00:00:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12108; Sat, 6 May 2000 23:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 6 May 2000 23:56:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11893; Sat, 6 May 2000 23:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11880; Sat, 6 May 2000 23:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 6 May 2000 23:56:43 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.12.21]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000507035642.FUMU27191.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 03:56:42 +0000 Message-ID: <001501bfb7d7$9e6da260$150c4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Re: Products Date: Sat, 6 May 2000 22:51:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. I remember when OSHA fined a company for an IBM selectric typewriter that did not have a grounding cord, never mind the fact that it is " double insulated " an as such, is not required of it. That was not so bad, OSHA reg's required grounding of ALL typewriters, when one case went to court we found out how strange things really were, you see OSHA fined someone for not grounding a MANUAL typewriter. Also remember, the power supply for thinkpads is also " double insulated ", and as such, it is very safe indeed, but if laws made any sense. From cph Sun May 7 03:55:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA31894 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 03:55:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20439; Sun, 7 May 2000 03:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 May 2000 03:52:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20098; Sun, 7 May 2000 03:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20055; Sun, 7 May 2000 03:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (199.185.220.103 -> edtnes03.telus.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 7 May 2000 03:52:14 -0400 Received: from defiant ([209.53.9.13]) by priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.11 201-229-116-111) with SMTP id <20000507075210.TFVL9188.priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net@defiant> for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 01:52:10 -0600 From: "Ryan Hung" To: Subject: RE: EZServ this week Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 00:52:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39143499.45BBA7C2@netzero.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hmm, where abouts in the manual did you find where it defined "cosmetic"? I checked in the warranty statement of the User's Reference (Appendix B), and it doesn't use the term "cosmetic" anywhere in the text. Anyways, I'll probably try Bill's approach in a few weeks time when I can spare to send in my TP600 for a few days. Ryan. - - -----Original Message----- From: Juan-Carlos Lerman [mailto:jclerman@netzero.net] Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 8:05 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: EZServ this week Bill's suggestions are *always* great but before calling, check the IBM hardware manual for your TP [if you can't locate it online, ask the list and Jane will step in with a terse URL quotation ;-) ]. Before I called for peeling paint I checked in the TP770 manual for what was defined as cosmetic. I remember that it mentioned "cosmetic" re "scratches" but I don't remember if it mentioned "plastic parts". Anyhow, don't tell the tech what the manual says. S/he should know it. Just use the info if the tech tells you something contradicting it. Lack of precise definition of an alleged *covered benefit* seems to have been the idea of HMOs that don't tell you how do they define if a given procedure is "medically needed". I think that Bill also said it some other time: be nice before showing them you're angry. Sometimes they *do* things as a *courtesy* rather than *by the book* (as per one of the techs in IBM's phone help line). Bill Morrow wrote: > > A good case can be made for replacing these parts.. > i would try either: > 1. plead with the tech, to "oh, please, PLEASE replace those little > flaps so my aging grandmother can type without the lose flaps > hurting her knee (insert any part of the anatomy here).. :-) > or > 2. DEMAND to speak to a supervisor, point out that these parts are > obviously wearing out before the warranty is up, and that they are > NOT cosmetic, they serve to keep dust and dirt from fouling the > plug or socket or whatever is hiding behind the little door #3.. > :-) > > in short, DEMAND or plead.. :-) > > Ryan Hung wrote: > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > > Hash: SHA1 > > > > I know this is a rather late followup on the thread, but do > > people know what exactly is the official policy for EZServ on > > getting things like the rubber flaps over the floppy and USB > > ports fixed? When I had my TP600 in for servicing (intermittent > > screen flicker-out) with IBM Canada's EZServ a few weeks ago, I > > asked the customer service rep on the phone whether I could have > > the rubber flaps fixed (the floppy one had fallen off, while the > > one covering the ports at the back is starting to get loose). He > > responded that these were only cosmetic issues and not covered by > > the warranty. I didn't press it, but now hearing this, I wonder > > if I should have? Needless to say, I got my TP600 back with a > > beautiful new LCD (2 dead pixels that I've found so far), but > > with my own piece of tape still stuck over the floppy port. > > > > > > Ryan. > > > > - -----Original Message----- > > From: Jane Loyless [mailto:jloyless@netbox.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 9:26 AM > > To: ThinkPad Mailing List > > Subject: EZServ this week > > > > Well, I continue to lead a charmed life as far as EZServ is > > concerned. > > > > The keyboard on my TP600 was having intermittent problems over > > the last > > week or so, and the doors over the USB and floppy ports were > > tearing loose. > > Over the weekend, the keyboard problem got worse, and I called > > for service > > on Monday. > > > > When they called me back around 5PM EDT to verify the address for > > shipping > > the fancy box, I told them I had a box (one of the old sling > > boxes) and > > just needed the shipping info and tracking number and that I > > really, really, really, really needed it back before my teammate > > got back in the > > office on Friday (using her 600 with my drive). They said that > > while they > > couldn't promise it would be back by then, it looked feasible > > since it was > > a simple repair. > > > > They gave me the shipping info (still shipped me the fancy box > > Just In > > Case) and faxed me an inventory form to send with it so that I > > could ship > > it out on Monday. I dropped the box off at Airborne around > > 6:30PM, and it > > was in Memphis by 3:30AM on Tuesday. > > > > Got it back first thing this morning (Wednesday) with a new > > keyboard and > > new port doors. Seems to be in perfect working order so far > > thanks to > > Zakery (IBM Certified Repair Technician) and Robert Day > > (Inspector). > > > > Needless to say, I followed my own advice and removed everything > > that wasn't nailed down before shipping it. EZServ just got an > > empty shell with > > keyboard and screen. The guy that had called me originally got > > quite a > > chuckle when, in answer to a query about my data being backed up, > > he got a > > tart "You're not getting my drive!". > > > > As always, YMMV. > > > > Jane > > > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > > Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use > > > > > > iQA/AwUBOROTjwWlozyTIQ4YEQJPRACggGjzliiaS4BG5ONHpf1b0K3UdqAAoNQ9 > > QRrBthmbO5uvDsiJMIlwVkXt > > =B7Wk > > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBORUf/gWlozyTIQ4YEQIZkgCdFUi8Za9IjwvLlBP77V8ZbsUws/kAni8k 4AEolxkqxZgq1ORfVqnyCkw/ =SMl+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Sun May 7 05:45:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA32174 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 05:45:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28936; Sun, 7 May 2000 05:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 May 2000 05:39:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28719; Sun, 7 May 2000 05:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28706; Sun, 7 May 2000 05:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.58 -> mail8.wlv.netzero.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 7 May 2000 05:39:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 25259 invoked by uid 0); 7 May 2000 09:39:44 -0000 Received: from pppa31-resaletucson1-2r7081.saturn.bbn.com (HELO netzero.net) (4.4.162.156) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 7 May 2000 09:39:44 -0000 Message-ID: <391539C4.FC1D2682@netzero.net> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 02:39:16 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ryan Hung , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Hardware Warranty [was: EZServ this week] References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm not a lawyer, I don't work for IBM, I'm not a "TP abuser"... I just found interesting the following paragraphs about cosmetics and user abuse of TP parts, as extracted verbatim from: (a) HMM (Hardware Maintenance Manual) for TP770/E/ED (Apr 98, Page 21-22) and, (b) HMM for TP770/E/ED/X/Z (Jan 99, Page 18): ---------------------------------------------------- Note for Warranty During the warranty period, the customer may be responsible for repair costs if the computer damage was caused by misuse, accident, modification, unsuitable physical or operating environment, or improper maintenance by the customer. The following list provides some common items that are not covered under warranty and some symptoms that may indicate that the system was subjected to stress beyond normal use. The following is not covered under warranty: . LCD panel cracked from the application of excessive force or from being dropped . Scratched (cosmetic) parts . Cracked or broken plastic parts, broken latches, broken pins, or broken connectors caused by excessive force . Damage caused by liquid spilled into the system . Damage caused by the improper insertion of a PC Card or the installation of an incompatible card . Damage caused by foreign material in the FDD . Diskette drive damage caused by the diskette drive cover being pressed or by the insertion of a diskette with multiple labels . Damaged or bent diskette eject button . Fuses blown by attachment of a nonsupported device . Forgotten computer password (making the computer unusable) The following symptoms might indicate damage caused by nonwarranted activities: . Missing parts might be a symptom of unauthorized service or modification. . HDD spindles can become noisy from being subjected to excessive force or from being dropped. . I9990303 errors can be caused by exposure to strong magnetic fields. ----------------------------------------------- Ryan Hung wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hmm, where abouts in the manual did you find where it defined > "cosmetic"? I checked in the warranty statement of the User's > Reference (Appendix B), and it doesn't use the term "cosmetic" Hardware Maintenance Manual (see below underlined with *********) > anywhere in the text. Anyways, I'll probably try Bill's approach in > a few weeks time when I can spare to send in my TP600 for a few days. Ryan. > - - -----Original Message----- > From: Juan-Carlos Lerman [mailto:jclerman@netzero.net] > Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2000 8:05 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: EZServ this week > > Bill's suggestions are *always* great but before calling, check > the IBM hardware manual for your TP ************************************* == _____________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Click here for FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Sun May 7 09:59:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA09666 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 09:59:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04945; Sun, 7 May 2000 09:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 May 2000 09:58:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04842; Sun, 7 May 2000 09:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04828; Sun, 7 May 2000 09:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.37 -> hnlmail3.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 7 May 2000 09:58:23 -0400 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.251.155]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Sun, 7 May 2000 03:58:21 -1000 Message-ID: <013401bfb82c$76e73940$9bfb1918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: Subject: new 701 and other Queries Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 03:59:29 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: --Thanks to everyone who helped me choose between vintage a 701c and the newer fangled 560 series. I have just recently purchased another 701c, and may be selling my Dock II with 701C adapter quite soon as my new machine set comes with one already. I also may be selling two 540mb hard drives as well. If anyone would like to make some offers I'll consider them before I put it out on Ebay. Also due to a new job I have just recently picked up, I may be delving into the world of new laptops. Anyone have any suggestions? The I series are tempting because they are soooo cheap, but how are they in the reliability arena? Is the 570 just as flexible as the up and coming T series? Now here comes the big stir... how are the Sony Vaios compared to the current crop of Thinkpads? That XG19 looks pretty tough and it comes with a DVD and a CD burner too. Any experience in the Sony arena here? As usual you guys are tops when it comes to any Thinkpad info. Thanks in advance. --Keith Keith Wong System Admin - Document Imaging Honolulu Police Department - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu From cph Sun May 7 15:15:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA10844 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:15:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14629; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 May 2000 15:12:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14393; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web108.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14370; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:12:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web108.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.75 -> web108.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 7 May 2000 15:12:33 -0400 Received: (qmail 23348 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2000 19:12:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000507191231.23347.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web108.yahoomail.com; Sun, 07 May 2000 12:12:31 PDT Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 12:12:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Free IBM HDD fitness prog To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Anyone trying this program should do so at their own risk! It actually caused a failure on my WDC drive. I tried it on my desk computer to see if the SMART function was working, thinking that it should work on any kind of drive since it is from Micro House. It did work OK with only one drive. Then I added a second one with known bad spots as the slave and the first one as master. EZSmart said that the second one did not support SMART but there was a failure on the first one. Now there is no way to clear the failure even with only the original drive installed. Also Scandisk won't run in Windows with EZSmart installed so be careful. --- Jon wrote: > http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/welcome.htm > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun May 7 16:24:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA11093 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:24:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17859; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 May 2000 16:23:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17706; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17693; Sun, 7 May 2000 16:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 7 May 2000 16:23:27 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.58.112]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000507202325.POQG12683.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@701c>; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:23:25 +0000 Message-ID: <001201bfb861$778051e0$703a4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Cc: Subject: IBM HDD fitness program Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 15:18:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. What can happen is that the drive becomes misdirected, it can be fixed, sometimes. What happens with EZDrive, EZBios and EZSmart is that there is a partition that prevents the computer from having a size problem, however the computer can, and will do strange things to the drive. The drive should have a command that sets everything back to factory defaults. When this command is issued, the drive will format itself. Western digital has one 'program' on the web, but it only works for WD drives. Have fun. From cph Sun May 7 18:13:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA11906 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:13:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22017; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 May 2000 18:12:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21934; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21915; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 7 May 2000 18:12:22 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.78.192.218]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000507221220.DWG4781.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer> for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 22:12:20 +0000 Message-ID: <004501bfb871$9ac85a20$dac04e0c@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Simon Bryquer" From: "Simon Bryquer" To: "THINKPAD LIST" Subject: TP 240: No beep going into SUSPEND Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 18:13:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003D_01BFB84F.F8F69520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BFB84F.F8F69520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been meaning to ask about this for a while: no beep when my TP240 = goes into Suspend mode. Not that this bothers me but I was just wondering if that is the default = of this laptop. If not how can I change this or is this missing beep = something to be concerned about. BTW the sound works on all other = functions. All my other ThinkPads beep upon going into Suspend.=20 Thanks one and all=20 Simon Bryquer ------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BFB84F.F8F69520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been meaning to ask about = this for a=20 while: no beep when my TP240 goes into Suspend mode.
 
Not that this bothers me but I was = just=20 wondering if that is the default of this laptop.  If not how can I = change=20 this  or is this missing beep something to be concerned = about.  BTW=20 the sound works on  all other functions.
 
All my other ThinkPads beep upon = going into=20 Suspend.
 
 
Thanks one and all
 
 
Simon = Bryquer
------=_NextPart_000_003D_01BFB84F.F8F69520-- From cph Sun May 7 18:32:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA11995 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:32:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22875; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 May 2000 18:32:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22788; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22775; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 7 May 2000 18:32:06 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA16825; Sun, 7 May 2000 12:31:59 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001501bfb874$31a9ec40$ce62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Keith @ LavaNet" , References: <013401bfb82c$76e73940$9bfb1918@hawaii.rr.com> Subject: Re: new 701 and other Queries Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 12:32:54 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "comes the big stir... how are the Sony Vaios compared to the current crop of Thinkpads?" Former TP list regular Emanuel Brown (who now runs the Sony 505 mailing list) can probably give some sage advice: http://home.att.net/~epbrown01, http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/sony505.html - David R. From cph Sun May 7 18:49:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA12055 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:49:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23558; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 May 2000 18:48:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23486; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23473; Sun, 7 May 2000 18:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 7 May 2000 18:48:28 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-18.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.18]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA15075 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 01:48:26 +0300 Message-Id: <200005072248.BAA15075@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 01:48:31 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <004501bfb871$9ac85a20$dac04e0c@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: TP 240: No beep going into SUSPEND X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19za/19za List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 07 May 2000 at 06:13 PM you, "Simon Bryquer" , said: >All my other ThinkPads beep upon going into Suspend. My TP560X doesn't beep when going into Suspend. FWIW, there's a "Power control beep" setting under Audio - Advanced - Alarm of the ThinkPad configuration utility (mine is v. 4.14a for OS/2). The setting for my machine is "disabled", which may be the reason why it doesn't beep. HTH, Dominique From cph Sun May 7 20:29:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA12455 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:29:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27154; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:28:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 May 2000 20:28:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27049; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27033; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 7 May 2000 20:27:57 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-292.gate.net [199.227.131.101]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA38270; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:27:48 -0400 Message-ID: <39160A14.766ED1B3@gate.net> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 20:28:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: tgold@panix.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TPall] AC line cords (was: Re: Products) References: <2001782@panix.com> <003e01bfb73a$4c79cc60$2b62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: who did you get it from.. ? David Ross wrote: > Anthony Gold wrote: > > "I recall someone once bemoaning the fact that the IBM TP600 line > cord was only around 3ft long." > > I don't understand the evolution of the TP power supplies. I just > bought a new adapter to > supplement the one from my older 560. The new part (02K6543) is in many > ways a step backwards: > thicker and longer (though not as wide), and a short nonstandard > three-connection line cord > instead of the 2-prong C8 'teakettle' cord which has become a convenient > standard. > > - David R. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun May 7 20:41:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA12493 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:41:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27867; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 May 2000 20:40:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27784; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27770; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:40:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 7 May 2000 20:40:21 -0400 Received: from mail.theriver.com (a3.pm3-32.theriver.com [206.102.192.67]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FEF225E7C for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 17:40:15 -0700 (MST) Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 17:39:21 -0700 To: thinkpad In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Is Memory Just Memory? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 Message-Id: <20000508004015.9FEF225E7C@pantano.theriver.com> List-Unsubscribe: In , on 05/06/00 at 10:36 AM, Vincent Poy said: > I tried StarOffice 5.2 Beta under both Win98SE and ME Beta and the >problem seems to be it drains resources as soon as I open the >program. I'm just wondering if Office2K would be any better in >resource management. As for Lotus, do they still use AMI Pro? That sounds like somewhat of an answer. I've used Lotus for a few years and like the package. You cannot beat the price for StarOffice, free.... James -- -------------------------------------------- James Mckenzie, Team OS/2, Team Lora Still supporting OS/2 from version 2.0 NEW ADDRESS: os2support@theriver.com New rates for unsolicited e-mails: Any unsolicited e-mails will be charged $3000/KB, $5000 min. -------------------------------------------- From cph Sun May 7 20:44:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA12505 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:44:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28265; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 May 2000 20:43:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28192; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28172; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 7 May 2000 20:43:49 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-292.gate.net [199.227.131.101]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25166; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:43:46 -0400 Message-ID: <39160DD2.4312450C@gate.net> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 20:44:02 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Biggerstaff CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Dead pixels? References: <4.3.1.0.20000506015304.00d3eaf0@pilot.msu.edu> <003601bfb76f$197034a0$49274f0c@tp466> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On one of my IBM 9516 TFT displays, before i sent it in for another problem, had a similar situation.. i red pixel that would go away if i press lightly.. ! interesting phenomena.. Jim Biggerstaff wrote: > My 701C and 560C both had a couple of bad pixels. > > My i1480 came with a perfect screen, no bad pixels. After several weeks, > one red pixel appeard. > > I applied light pressure to it (not recommended for the faint hearted) and > it joined the ranks of the un-dead. > > jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: STeve Andre' > To: > Sent: Friday, May 05, 2000 11:00 PM > Subject: Dead pixels? > > > Seeing a comment not too long ago about a replacement display with two bad > > pixels makes me wonder how often displays have imperfections these days. > > > > In the last six ThinkPad's I've gotten I've had nothing but perfect > > displays. In > > thinking about it, I'm not sure I have had *any* bad pixels on any > ThinkPad > > in the time I've been at my current job. This is over i Series, 390 > units, > > 600's > > and a 770. > > > > Am I blessed in this regard, or are perfect displays almost common now? > > > > --STeve Andre' > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun May 7 20:47:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA12516 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:47:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28812; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 May 2000 20:47:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28722; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28708; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 7 May 2000 20:47:11 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-292.gate.net [199.227.131.101]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA45066; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:46:48 -0400 Message-ID: <39160E88.3EBA0C7B@gate.net> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 20:47:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: "STeve Andre'" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Different "color" TFT displays References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: those kitchen/bath flourescent tubes are done that way intentionally.. i used to use growlux tubes for marine tropical fish lighting.. the pinker hue emulates outdoor light.. cool white tubes are more like cold terrible tubes.. makes everything appear like a bus station.. Michael Geary wrote: > > Huh. Thanks for the data. So now I wonder if the flourscent display > behind the > > units can differ somehow. Not knowing how that part is built, it seems > logical > > that that would be the differing item--I wouldn't think the LCDs > themselves > > would have this variance? > > I think you're right: Different fluorescent tubes have different color > balance. Consider that you can buy "kitchen/bath" fluorescent tubes that > have a reddish cast compared to the greenish cast of typical fluorescent > tubes. > > I have two TP600s with very different color balances--one is much bluer than > the other. > > -Mike -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun May 7 20:53:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA12532 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:53:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29220; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 May 2000 20:52:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29148; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29134; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 7 May 2000 20:52:54 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-292.gate.net [199.227.131.101]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA45262; Sun, 7 May 2000 20:52:47 -0400 Message-ID: <39160FEF.837078EE@gate.net> Date: Sun, 07 May 2000 20:53:03 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Keith @ LavaNet" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: new 701 and other Queries References: <013401bfb82c$76e73940$9bfb1918@hawaii.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Keith.. "Keith @ LavaNet" wrote: > --Thanks to everyone who helped me choose between vintage a 701c and the > newer fangled 560 series. I have just recently purchased another 701c, and > may be selling my Dock II with 701C adapter quite soon as my new machine set > comes with one already. I also may be selling two 540mb hard drives as > well. If anyone would like to make some offers I'll consider them before I > put it out on Ebay. > > Also due to a new job I have just recently picked up, I may be delving into > the world of new laptops. Anyone have any suggestions? The I series are > tempting because they are soooo cheap, but how are they in the reliability > arena? 1 year warranty.. big and heavy.. > Is the 570 just as flexible as the up and coming T series? i think the 570 will merge into the new "X" series.. "T", "A", "X" & "I".. :-) no really, thats what i was told today, sunday..!! > Now here > comes the big stir... how are the Sony Vaios compared to the current crop of > Thinkpads? Keith.. so, now you ask the choir how good the devil is.. ? :-)) > That XG19 looks pretty tough and it comes with a DVD and a CD > burner too. Any experience in the Sony arena here? As usual you guys are > tops when it comes to any Thinkpad info. Thanks in advance. > > --Keith > > Keith Wong > System Admin - Document Imaging > Honolulu Police Department - Records Division > Office: (808) 529-3434 > Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com > pirate@lava.net > kwong@email.uophx.edu -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun May 7 21:45:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA12710 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:45:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01345; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 May 2000 21:43:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01193; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01180; Sun, 7 May 2000 21:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 7 May 2000 21:43:23 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA17162; Sun, 7 May 2000 15:43:17 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000701bfb88e$eadbbf80$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: Cc: References: <2001782@panix.com> <003e01bfb73a$4c79cc60$2b62183f@math.hawaii.edu> <39160A14.766ED1B3@gate.net> Subject: Re: [TPall] AC line cords (was: Re: Products) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 15:44:13 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Onvia.com. IBM direct was actually $1 cheaper, but they wanted $20 shipping to Honolulu. Onvia usually has the cheapest shipping here, in this case $5. - David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morrow" To: "David Ross" Cc: ; Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [TPall] AC line cords (was: Re: Products) who did you get it from.. ? David Ross wrote: > Anthony Gold wrote: > > "I recall someone once bemoaning the fact that the IBM TP600 line > cord was only around 3ft long." > > I don't understand the evolution of the TP power supplies. I just > bought a new adapter to > supplement the one from my older 560. The new part (02K6543) is in many > ways a step backwards: > thicker and longer (though not as wide), and a short nonstandard > three-connection line cord > instead of the 2-prong C8 'teakettle' cord which has become a convenient > standard. > > - David R. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun May 7 23:52:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA13256 for ; Sun, 7 May 2000 23:52:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05916; Sun, 7 May 2000 23:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 7 May 2000 23:51:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05816; Sun, 7 May 2000 23:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mana.pf (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05802; Sun, 7 May 2000 23:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mana.pf (202.3.225.102 -> smtp.mana.pf) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 7 May 2000 23:51:19 -0400 Received: from vaianae (d4-223.sl.mana.pf [202.3.227.223]) by smtp.mana.pf (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA19737 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 04:53:26 -1000 Reply-To: From: "Jimmy E. Chanzi" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: Dead Pixels Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 17:49:47 -1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I also have a a red pixel that would not go away on one of my 9516 TFT displays; I tried pressing lightly on it and no luck... Jimmy Chanzi From cph Mon May 8 00:02:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA13304 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:02:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06595; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:01:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 May 2000 00:00:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06368; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot018.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06349; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot018.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.118 -> pilot018.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 8 May 2000 00:00:51 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port33.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.172]) by pilot018.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA96912 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 00:00:48 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000507235531.00d43af0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 00:00:30 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Dead Pixels: most common color? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: After reading the comments about dead pixels from others, I'm now wondering if 1) pixels most commonly get stuck in the on state; 2) red is the color that has the most defects. I just found my notes on my ThinkPad 700C. The hinges were horrid, and I would up having my screen changed out five times(!). Twice it was for a series of red pixels and three times for hinge failure. Upon reading things like comp.sys.laptop I get the feeling that red is still the most common color to go. Does that make sense? Or is it just an artifact that a red blown pixel is lots more visible than a blue or green one? I know, I'm just full of strange TFT questions.... --STeve Andre' From cph Mon May 8 01:37:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA13648 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 01:37:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09627; Mon, 8 May 2000 01:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 May 2000 01:35:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09480; Mon, 8 May 2000 01:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09467; Mon, 8 May 2000 01:35:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 8 May 2000 01:35:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA12887; Sun, 7 May 2000 19:36:15 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Sun, 7 May 2000 19:36:15 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: os2support@theriver.com cc: thinkpad Subject: RE: Is Memory Just Memory? In-Reply-To: <20000508004015.9FEF225E7C@pantano.theriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 7 May 2000 os2support@theriver.com wrote: > In , on > 05/06/00 > at 10:36 AM, Vincent Poy said: > > > I tried StarOffice 5.2 Beta under both Win98SE and ME Beta and the > >problem seems to be it drains resources as soon as I open the > >program. I'm just wondering if Office2K would be any better in > >resource management. As for Lotus, do they still use AMI Pro? > > That sounds like somewhat of an answer. I've used Lotus for a few > years and like the package. You cannot beat the price for StarOffice, > free.... StarOffice is free except 5.2's impression is it tries to be the Windows Desktop and that alone is irritating. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Mon May 8 04:22:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA14052 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 04:22:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16488; Mon, 8 May 2000 04:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 May 2000 04:21:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16389; Mon, 8 May 2000 04:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16376; Mon, 8 May 2000 04:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhbhic.uhb.fr (193.52.64.50 -> uhbhic.uhb.fr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 8 May 2000 04:21:34 -0400 Received: from tp-770 (cb1342-rec.rec.uhb.fr [172.16.5.12]) by uhbhic.uhb.fr (8.9.1a/jtpda-5.3.3) with SMTP id KAA11974 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 10:21:22 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001901bfb8c7$3d9f0e60$0c0510ac@tp-770> From: "Sylvestre Meininger" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Buy & Sell... in France Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:27:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi everyone, Here's what I have to sell : 770ed, PII-266, 128Mb, 8Gb, 14.1" TFT, DVD, Mpeg-2, 56k Modem, Win 95 osr2. 560z, PII-233, 32Mb, 4Gb, 12.1 TFT, 56k PC Card Modem, Win 98 Here's what I'm looking for : PC Card memory (Compact Flash standard) 32, 48 or 64Mb capacity, including the Type II Adapter. And guess what, I'd like a reasonable price. I'm quite ready to buy from someone outside of France. Heck ! Even outside Europe ! Mail me directly if your interested : sylvestre.meininger@uhb.fr sylvestre meininger From cph Mon May 8 08:02:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA14980 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 08:02:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28770; Mon, 8 May 2000 08:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 May 2000 08:01:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28648; Mon, 8 May 2000 08:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout8-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA28635; Mon, 8 May 2000 08:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout8-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.111 -> pimout8-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 8 May 2000 08:01:02 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer (KGTNB102-06.splitrock.net [209.253.201.6]) by pimout8-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA130260 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 08:01:00 -0400 Message-ID: <001f01bfb8e5$39ccae00$06c9fdd1@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Russ Knorr" From: "Russ Knorr" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Subscribe Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 08:02:03 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Please subscribe rpknorr@prodigy.net From cph Mon May 8 08:17:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA15087 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 08:17:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29655; Mon, 8 May 2000 08:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 May 2000 08:17:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29579; Mon, 8 May 2000 08:17:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29566; Mon, 8 May 2000 08:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 8 May 2000 08:17:13 -0400 Received: from 216-164-131-202.s202.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.131.202]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12omTD-0002cU-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 8 May 2000 08:17:07 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 08:17:08 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <3345.000508@erols.com> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 765D? In-reply-To: <000d01bfb731$f543b940$2b62183f@math.hawaii.edu> References: <000d01bfb731$f543b940$2b62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I am thinking of replacing my lovely light 560 with a 765D to get the CD and the 13" screen (my eyes are going). Anyone want to share their experience with this machine, and/or recommend a place to get one? Thanks. -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Mon May 8 13:18:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA17161 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:18:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06370; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 May 2000 13:07:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06196; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:07:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06183; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 8 May 2000 13:07:09 -0400 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: FS: ThinkPad Enhanced Port Replicator with Advanced EtherJet Feature (380Z and 560Z) Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:06:44 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2E3D@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FS: ThinkPad Enhanced Port Replicator with Advanced EtherJet Feature (380Z and 560Z) Thread-Index: Ab+5D8lrex0akSatTwaQpdv04dJG2A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: FS: ThinkPad Enhanced Port Replicator with Advanced EtherJet = Feature (380Z and 560Z)

Gang,

I have one of the subject "docking = stations". It will fit the Thinkpad 380Z and 560Z only. If you have = one of these two models and would be interested in this device, please = give me an offer. We can't use it, and, although it's been opened, it's = never been out of the box.

Lemme know. Not being an auction = aficionado, I am inclined to sell it to one of the hard-corp folks = here...

Best,
ssh

From cph Mon May 8 13:46:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA17382 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:46:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09351; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 May 2000 13:36:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09250; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:36:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09235; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 8 May 2000 13:36:22 -0400 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: ThinkPad Enhanced Port Replicator with Advanced EtherJet Feature (380Z and 560Z) -- and 390 series Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:36:02 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2E40@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: FS: ThinkPad Enhanced Port Replicator with Advanced EtherJet Feature (380Z and 560Z) Thread-Index: Ab+5D8lrex0akSatTwaQpdv04dJG2AABAWUg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: FS: ThinkPad Enhanced Port Replicator with Advanced EtherJet = Feature (380Z and 560Z)
BTW,=20 it looks like it fits the 390, too: http:/= /www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=3D132016.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hultquist=20
Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 11:07 AM
To: Thinkpad = Mailing=20 List (E-mail)
Subject: FS: ThinkPad Enhanced Port Replicator = with=20 Advanced EtherJet Feature (380Z and 560Z)

Gang,

I have one of the subject "docking = stations". It=20 will fit the Thinkpad 380Z and 560Z only. If you have one of these two = models=20 and would be interested in this device, please give me an offer. We = can't use=20 it, and, although it's been opened, it's never been out of the = box.

Lemme know. Not being an auction = aficionado, I am=20 inclined to sell it to one of the hard-corp folks here...

Best,
ssh=20

From cph Mon May 8 13:58:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA17479 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:58:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10835; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 May 2000 13:48:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10757; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10743; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 8 May 2000 13:48:40 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA23859; Mon, 8 May 2000 10:48:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "STeve Andre'" , Subject: RE: Dead Pixels: most common color? Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 10:48:23 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000507235531.00d43af0@pilot.msu.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > After reading the comments about dead pixels from others, I'm now > wondering if > > 1) [sub]pixels most commonly get stuck in the on state; I think so. I've never seen one stuck off, but I've seen plenty stuck on. > 2) red is the color that has the most defects. I've got as many blue as red, but now that you mention it I don't recall ever seeing a green stuck pixel. I've also seen some partially-stuck pixels. On the 600E I'm using right now, there is a pixel that displays black OK and white OK, but if it supposed to be a medium blue (i.e. the default Windows 200 desktop color), it displays light blue instead. My original 600 has a blue subpixel that sticks on only when there's a certain combination of adjacent colors. I haven't looked at these with the magnifying glass to see exactly what's going on--it would be interesting to try to figure out what is shorted to what. More importantly, neither one is something you'd ever be bothered by in real life, if you even noticed it. -Mike From cph Mon May 8 14:02:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17526 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 14:02:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11190; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:50:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 May 2000 13:50:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11095; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11079; Mon, 8 May 2000 13:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 8 May 2000 13:50:34 -0400 From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Michael Geary" , "STeve Andre'" , Subject: RE: Dead Pixels: most common color? Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 11:50:13 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2E43@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Dead Pixels: most common color? Thread-Index: Ab+5FbxKwkoGcNN0S2ehSFuMXre+2wAAAm8Q X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA17527 > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Geary [mailto:Mike@Geary.com] > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 11:48 AM > To: STeve Andre'; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: Dead Pixels: most common color? > > > > After reading the comments about dead pixels from others, I'm now > > wondering if > > > > 1) [sub]pixels most commonly get stuck in the on state; > > I think so. I've never seen one stuck off, but I've seen > plenty stuck on. Me, too... > > 2) red is the color that has the most defects. > > I've got as many blue as red, but now that you mention it I > don't recall > ever seeing a green stuck pixel. I have. Red and Green. ssh From cph Mon May 8 16:42:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18801 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:42:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25106; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 May 2000 16:38:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24945; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24922; Mon, 8 May 2000 16:38:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 8 May 2000 16:38:20 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA18414 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:38:17 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (pri18.dialup [152.78.68.243]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA20080 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 21:38:16 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005082038.VAA20080@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 20:40:20 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [TP600E] TFT display blackout List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id QAA25106 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA18802 For the past two weeks a small problem has appeared in my TP600E. When i open the display (either when the machine is turned on or off), it doesn't display anything and remains black. So i close it and open it again and most of the times it turns on as normal. Any ideas whats causing this? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon May 8 18:47:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA19567 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:47:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03284; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 May 2000 18:46:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03152; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03137; Mon, 8 May 2000 18:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (128.196.137.197 -> trifid.U.Arizona.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 8 May 2000 18:45:58 -0400 Received: from e770 (cx-p.opt-sci.arizona.edu [150.135.52.53]) by trifid.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA13054; Mon, 8 May 2000 15:45:48 -0700 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000508153943.00a94430@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 08 May 2000 15:45:19 -0700 To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." From: "Stuart F. Biggar" Subject: Re: [TP600E] TFT display blackout Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200005082038.VAA20080@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA19568 At 08:40 PM 5/8/00 +0100, you wrote: >For the past two weeks a small problem has appeared in my TP600E. When i >open the display (either when the machine is turned on or off), it doesn't >display >anything and remains black. So i close it and open it again and most of the >times it turns on as normal. > >Any ideas whats causing this? > >þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ >þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ Several possibilities: The small switch that senses lid open/close is stuck in the closed position (had this happen with an older ThinkPad 755CX- blew out the switch area with compressed air and things started working right. The switch might also be going bad ... The inverter board is on its last legs. I have had them fail on both a 765D and a 770E - using Fn-F4 or open/closing sometimes turned the inverter on - getting an image. If this is the problem, the machine is actually running and there is stuff on the display but you can't see it as the backlight is off. Shine a VERY bright light onto the screen to see if there is anything there (mouse pointer in Windows for example). If the mouse moves, or you can see text with the bright light, your inverter board needs replacing. Easy Serv fixed our two machines - so far so good. There may be many other things that would cause your problem but I have had the above two happen. Stuart From cph Mon May 8 19:41:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA19963 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:41:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06627; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 May 2000 19:39:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06458; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:39:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.sivco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06442; Mon, 8 May 2000 19:39:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.sivco.com (209.91.123.78 -> h-209-91-123-78.gen.cadvision.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 8 May 2000 19:39:47 -0400 Subject: Can W2K play DVD movies? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 17:38:39 -0600 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on tigger/Sivco(Release 5.0.1a|August 17, 1999) at 05/08/2000 05:40:37 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA19964 Can W2K play DVD movies on the TP 770 / 770X / Thinkpad A line? Geza Geza Szivos mailto:Geza.Szivos@SIVCO.com System Analyst/eDBA Certified VisualAge for C++ Object Oriented Developer, Certified WebSphere, DB2 and VisualAge Java Associate Developer, VisualWarehouse Specialist, Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, Certified Warp Server Engineer SIVCO Inc. «Calgary, AB» «Buffalo, NY» «Olympia, WA» Visit our web page http://www.sivco.com Head office: 118 Arbour Summit Close NW Calgary, Alberta Canada T3G 3W2 Toll Free Call: (877) 700-2600 Toll Free Fax: (877) 547-4741 In Calgary call (403) 208-2600 Cellular (360) 481-2828 From cph Mon May 8 22:32:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA20985 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:32:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14043; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 May 2000 22:30:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13931; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:30:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from area54.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13917; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:30:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from area54.net (205.177.191.50 -> mercury.mcummings.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 8 May 2000 22:30:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (michael@localhost) by area54.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA32715; Mon, 8 May 2000 22:30:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 22:30:17 -0400 (EDT) To: Steve Hultquist cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: ThinkPad Enhanced Port Replicator with Advanced EtherJet Feature (380Z and 560Z) -- and 390 series In-Reply-To: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2E40@houdini.accumedia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Well if it fits the 390 then it also fits the 1720/1721's. What are you looking to get for it?? On Mon, 8 May 2000, Steve Hultquist wrote: > BTW, it looks like it fits the 390, too: http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=132016. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Hultquist > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2000 11:07 AM > To: Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail) > Subject: FS: ThinkPad Enhanced Port Replicator with Advanced EtherJet Feature (380Z and 560Z) > > Gang, > > I have one of the subject "docking stations". It will fit the Thinkpad 380Z and 560Z only. If > you have one of these two models and would be interested in this device, please give me an > offer. We can't use it, and, although it's been opened, it's never been out of the box. > > Lemme know. Not being an auction aficionado, I am inclined to sell it to one of the hard-corp > folks here... > > Best, > ssh > > > From cph Mon May 8 23:52:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA21381 for ; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:52:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17190; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 8 May 2000 23:50:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17103; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17090; Mon, 8 May 2000 23:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 8 May 2000 23:50:12 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.79.11.209]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000509035010.TMEY3646.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer> for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 03:50:10 +0000 Message-ID: <001701bfb969$f63905a0$d10b4f0c@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Simon Bryquer" From: "Simon Bryquer" To: "THINKPAD LIST" Subject: TP 600E & 600X BATTERIES CONFUSION Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 23:51:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01BFB948.659969C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BFB948.659969C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings all -- A little while back I posted asking how much battery life one should get = with the 600E because I had a brand new laptops and was only getting = 11/2 hr max. After recycling the battery numerous times and not getting better = results I decided to call EZserve and they send me a new battery - but = in the process I became all confused as to what is the correct battery = FRU number for my model 2645 5AU. The battery that came with the laptop is the 10L2158 but a spec search = on the IBM web site says this number is for the 600X models. The specs for 2845 5AU model indicate that the battery is FRU 02K 6506 Then again - under IBM Options they say the battery for my model is = 12J2464 Now they are sending me the FRU 02K 6505 -- which is fine. My question is: Are the batteries for the 600E series the same (or compatible with) as = the 600x. The reason for the last question is that I have a few friend that bought = the same model 600E as myself and they also got the 10L2158 batteries . = Now these were IBM factory sealed boxes and because it happened = numerous times I can't believe IBM made a supposed mistake over and over = again -- or did they? Or -- perhaps Bill Morrow might know = specifically-- is the 10L2158 battery designed for the 600x OK for 600E. Please excuse this lenghty query -- but you do understand I wouldn't = want the wrong battery in my laptop for the potential damage this might = cause in the long run -- perhaps not major but annoying and it is always = the small annoying issues that often prove to be the most problematic. TIA Simon Bryquer ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BFB948.659969C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings all --
 
A little while back I posted asking = how much=20 battery life one should get with the 600E because I had a brand new = laptops and=20 was only getting 11/2 hr max.
 
 
After recycling the battery  = numerous times=20 and not getting better results I decided to call EZserve and they send = me a new=20 battery - but in the process I became all confused as to what is the = correct=20 battery FRU number for my model 2645 5AU.
 
The battery that came with the = laptop is the=20 10L2158 but a spec search on the IBM web site says this number  is = for the=20 600X models.
 
The specs for 2845 5AU model = indicate that the=20 battery is FRU 02K 6506
 
Then again - under IBM Options they = say the=20 battery for my model is 12J2464
 
Now they are sending me the FRU 02K = 6505 --=20 which is fine.
 
My question is:
 
Are the batteries for the 600E = series the same=20 (or compatible with) as the 600x.
 
The reason for the last question is = that I have=20 a few friend that bought the same model 600E as myself  and they = also got=20 the 10L2158 batteries .  Now these were IBM factory sealed boxes = and=20 because it happened numerous times I can't believe IBM made a supposed = mistake=20 over and over again -- or did they?  Or -- perhaps Bill Morrow = might know=20 specifically-- is the 10L2158 battery designed for the 600x OK for=20 600E.
 
 
Please excuse this lenghty query -- but you do = understand I=20 wouldn't want the wrong battery in my laptop for the potential damage = this might=20 cause in the long run -- perhaps not major but annoying and it is always = the=20 small annoying issues that often prove to be the most = problematic.
 
TIA
 
 
Simon Bryquer
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0012_01BFB948.659969C0-- From cph Tue May 9 00:54:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA21733 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 00:54:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19590; Tue, 9 May 2000 00:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 00:50:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19354; Tue, 9 May 2000 00:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19341; Tue, 9 May 2000 00:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 00:50:48 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-73.gate.net [207.36.212.73]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA53870; Tue, 9 May 2000 00:50:45 -0400 Message-ID: <39179935.124574B3@gate.net> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 00:51:01 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald MacQueen CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 765D? References: <000d01bfb731$f543b940$2b62183f@math.hawaii.edu> <3345.000508@erols.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: good machine.. crappy keyboard.. (fast wearing, poor feel) Donald MacQueen wrote: > I am thinking of replacing my lovely > light 560 with a 765D to get the CD and > the 13" screen (my eyes are going). > > Anyone want to share their experience > with this machine, and/or recommend > a place to get one? > > Thanks. > > -- > Donald > > Donald M. MacQueen > Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue May 9 00:54:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA21737 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 00:54:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19586; Tue, 9 May 2000 00:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 00:51:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19412; Tue, 9 May 2000 00:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19399; Tue, 9 May 2000 00:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 00:51:45 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-73.gate.net [207.36.212.73]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA34258; Tue, 9 May 2000 00:51:41 -0400 Message-ID: <3917996D.3099544@gate.net> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 00:51:57 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Geza.Szivos@sivco.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Can W2K play DVD movies? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id AAA19586 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id AAA21738 w2k can play movies with its native DVD player on my 770Z with the EVA card.. Geza.Szivos@sivco.com wrote: > Can W2K play DVD movies on the TP 770 / 770X / Thinkpad A line? > Geza > > Geza Szivos > mailto:Geza.Szivos@SIVCO.com > System Analyst/eDBA > > Certified VisualAge for C++ Object Oriented Developer, > Certified WebSphere, DB2 and VisualAge Java Associate Developer, > VisualWarehouse Specialist, Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, Certified Warp > Server Engineer > > SIVCO Inc. > «Calgary, AB» «Buffalo, NY» «Olympia, WA» > Visit our web page > http://www.sivco.com > Head office: > 118 Arbour Summit Close NW > Calgary, Alberta Canada > T3G 3W2 > > Toll Free Call: (877) 700-2600 > Toll Free Fax: (877) 547-4741 > In Calgary call (403) 208-2600 > Cellular (360) 481-2828 -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue May 9 01:38:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA21956 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:38:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21005; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 01:36:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20927; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20914; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:36:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 01:36:50 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-73.gate.net [207.36.212.73]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA28294; Tue, 9 May 2000 01:36:45 -0400 Message-ID: <3917A3FC.391347F2@gate.net> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 01:37:00 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simon Bryquer CC: THINKPAD LIST Subject: Re: TP 600E & 600X BATTERIES CONFUSION References: <001701bfb969$f63905a0$d10b4f0c@oemcomputer> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F8286226A3D502EE3220F0A1" List-Unsubscribe: --------------F8286226A3D502EE3220F0A1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Simon.. i recently sold my most recent 600E, so i have nothing to myopically peer at for the FRU on the battery.. BUT, FWIW, IMO the battery will work.. my guess is as the models change, the batteries are updated so that they work with the newest machines, yet remain backward compatible.. such things as firmware could change and generate a different p/n or fru #, yet the battery remains functionally the same.. Simon Bryquer wrote: > Greetings all -- A little while back I posted asking how much battery > life one should get with the 600E because I had a brand new laptops > and was only getting 11/2 hr max. After recycling the battery > numerous times and not getting better results I decided to call > EZserve and they send me a new battery - but in the process I became > all confused as to what is the correct battery FRU number for my model > 2645 5AU. The battery that came with the laptop is the 10L2158 but a > spec search on the IBM web site says this number is for the 600X > models. The specs for 2845 5AU model indicate that the battery is FRU > 02K 6506 Then again - under IBM Options they say the battery for my > model is 12J2464 Now they are sending me the FRU 02K 6505 -- which is > fine. My question is: Are the batteries for the 600E series the same > (or compatible with) as the 600x. The reason for the last question is > that I have a few friend that bought the same model 600E as myself > and they also got the 10L2158 batteries . Now these were IBM factory > sealed boxes and because it happened numerous times I can't believe > IBM made a supposed mistake over and over again -- or did they? Or -- > perhaps Bill Morrow might know specifically-- is the 10L2158 battery > designed for the 600x OK for 600E. Please excuse this lenghty query > -- but you do understand I wouldn't want the wrong battery in my > laptop for the potential damage this might cause in the long run -- > perhaps not major but annoying and it is always the small annoying > issues that often prove to be the most problematic. TIA Simon > Bryquer -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net --------------F8286226A3D502EE3220F0A1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Simon..

i recently sold my most recent 600E, so i have nothing to myopically peer at for the FRU on the battery..

BUT, FWIW, IMO the battery will work..
my guess is as the models change, the batteries are updated so that they work with the newest machines, yet remain backward compatible..
such things as firmware could change and generate a different p/n or fru #, yet the battery remains functionally the same..

Simon Bryquer wrote:

 Greetings all -- A little while back I posted asking how much battery life one should get with the 600E because I had a brand new laptops and was only getting 11/2 hr max.  After recycling the battery  numerous times and not getting better results I decided to call EZserve and they send me a new battery - but in the process I became all confused as to what is the correct battery FRU number for my model 2645 5AU. The battery that came with the laptop is the 10L2158 but a spec search on the IBM web site says this number  is for the 600X models. The specs for 2845 5AU model indicate that the battery is FRU 02K 6506 Then again - under IBM Options they say the battery for my model is 12J2464 Now they are sending me the FRU 02K 6505 -- which is fine. My question is: Are the batteries for the 600E series the same (or compatible with) as the 600x. The reason for the last question is that I have a few friend that bought the same model 600E as myself  and they also got the 10L2158 batteries .  Now these were IBM factory sealed boxes and because it happened numerous times I can't believe IBM made a supposed mistake over and over again -- or did they?  Or -- perhaps Bill Morrow might know specifically-- is the 10L2158 battery designed for the 600x OK for 600E.  Please excuse this lenghty query -- but you do understand I wouldn't want the wrong battery in my laptop for the potential damage this might cause in the long run -- perhaps not major but annoying and it is always the small annoying issues that often prove to be the most problematic. TIA  Simon Bryquer   

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  --------------F8286226A3D502EE3220F0A1-- From cph Tue May 9 05:57:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA22734 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 05:57:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05985; Tue, 9 May 2000 05:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 05:55:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05879; Tue, 9 May 2000 05:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05862; Tue, 9 May 2000 05:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 05:54:53 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA29068 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:54:43 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (pri07.dialup [152.78.68.232]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA26701 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:54:42 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005090954.KAA26701@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 11:02:06 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000508153943.00a94430@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [TP600E] TFT display blackout List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id FAA05985 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA22735 On Mon, 08 May 2000 15:45:19 -0700, Stuart F. Biggar wrote: >The small switch that senses lid open/close is stuck in the >closed position (had this happen with an older ThinkPad 755CX- >blew out the switch area with compressed air and things started >working right. The switch might also be going bad ... ok i'll try to blow some air into it and see if that helps. >The inverter board is on its last legs. I have had them fail on >both a 765D and a 770E - using Fn-F4 or open/closing sometimes >turned the inverter on - getting an image. If this is the >problem, the machine is actually running and there is stuff >on the display but you can't see it as the backlight is off. >Shine a VERY bright light onto the screen to see if there is >anything there (mouse pointer in Windows for example). If >the mouse moves, or you can see text with the bright light, >your inverter board needs replacing. Easy Serv fixed our >two machines - so far so good. >There may be many other things that would cause your problem >but I have had the above two happen. hmm its just 2 months old, so i was hoping that i wouldn't get these sort of problems... oh well... i'll see what happens in the next few weeks and if the problem appears more often i'll have it sent to ibm. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Tue May 9 10:09:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA24168 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:09:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18984; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 10:08:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18872; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18837; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:07:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 10:07:49 -0400 Received: from zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id e49E7ML09967; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) id e49E7LE06652; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: Rob Bell Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? References: <20000505124453.2855.qmail@ww156.netaddress.usa.net> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 09 May 2000 10:07:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: Rob Bell's message of "5 May 00 07:44:53 CDT" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: > One big 'gotcha' is NTFS5. Be aware that installing Win2K on a > system with existing NTFS4 partitions will automatically 'migrate' > them to NTFS5. This is a major problem if that NTFS4 partition > contains NT system/program files. I got bit with this when I > installed a beta of Win2K on a second HD in my 770. My original > NTFS D: drive could not be seen by my NT4 afterwards. Win2K does > this 'migration' automatically and does not give you the option to > skip it. Hmm, did you have NT4SP4 or higher? I think SP4 or SP5 introduced an NT4 NTFS driver upgrade which could read NTFS5. Peace, dNb From cph Tue May 9 10:35:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA24378 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:35:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23028; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:35:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 10:35:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22915; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22902; Tue, 9 May 2000 10:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 10:34:56 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JP6WKUD56O8X0NS5@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 9 May 2000 09:35:19 CST Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 09:35:17 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: PIII 733: UBID sued & on the news now To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-1841243.html?tag=st.ne.1007-203-1841243..n I dont know wht the outcome is going to be. hehehh :) From cph Tue May 9 11:56:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA24958 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:56:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00795; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 11:54:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00662; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0e.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00649; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0e.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.34 -> www0e.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 11:54:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 4107 invoked by uid 60001); 9 May 2000 15:54:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000509155451.4106.qmail@www0e.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.34 by www0e for [208.16.87.2] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Tue May 9 15:54:51 GMT 2000 Date: 9 May 00 10:54:51 CDT From: Rob Bell To: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? CC: ThinkPad Mailing List X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA24959 dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) wrote: > > One big 'gotcha' is NTFS5. Be aware that installing Win2K on a > > system with existing NTFS4 partitions will automatically 'migrate' > > them to NTFS5. This is a major problem if that NTFS4 partition > > contains NT system/program files. I got bit with this when I > > installed a beta of Win2K on a second HD in my 770. My original > > NTFS D: drive could not be seen by my NT4 afterwards. Win2K does > > this 'migration' automatically and does not give you the option to > > skip it. > > Hmm, did you have NT4SP4 or higher? I think SP4 or SP5 introduced an > NT4 NTFS driver upgrade which could read NTFS5. > Peace, > dNb I was on SP3 at the time. However, SP4 or 5 would not have helped to the level I needed. They do (I think) provide the ability to read NTFS5 partitions, but disk-level utilities are not supported. That means no disk maintenance (via Disk Administrator) or defragmenting. I wasn't willing to live with that limitation on my main business laptop. As far as I could tell >from MS, even the latest service pack (SP6a?) cannot fully access/administer an NTFS5 partition. Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Tue May 9 14:01:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA26166 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:01:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11414; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 13:58:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11319; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.sisna.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11303; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.sisna.com (216.126.204.54 -> mail.sisna.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 13:58:41 -0400 Received: from n7jau [207.170.236.216] by mail.sisna.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id AFE1BB20062; Tue, 09 May 2000 11:50:25 -0600 Message-ID: <005e01bfb9e1$2e5d2660$d8ecaacf@n7jau> Reply-To: "DELAR MESSMORE" From: "DELAR MESSMORE" To: Subject: Im new, old thinkpads Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:05:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005B_01BFB9A6.81028940" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BFB9A6.81028940 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hope this is the appropriate site. I have what was a 360c, (upgraded to = 586 133) an original 360c (486 133) and a similar "pen" 360Pxx notebook. = I have none of the original docs or install stuff for them, all got = used. I found the Ibm site, but all I found for manuals was evidently = in "pdf" format, and evidently the demo version of Acrobat I have will = not let me save these files.=20 Can anyone offer help? I would even pay for a hard copy of someone's = manuals. What I really need is how toconfig these things to get the = pcmcia and so on working, both in 3.1, or 3.11 and W95.. I dont think I = want W98 on these things, someone might convince me one way or t'other.=20 One (586) has 810 mb hd, 20 mb ram, the 486 has 120mb/810 mb hd and = 12 mb ram Also the upgraded board, apparently from a 7xx series (now in the 360) = has a sound card. 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Hope this is the appropriate = site.  I have=20 what was a 360c, (upgraded to 586 133) an original 360c (486 133) and a = similar=20 "pen" 360Pxx notebook.  I have none of the original docs or install = stuff=20 for them, all got used.  I found the Ibm site, but all I found for = manuals=20 was evidently in "pdf" format, and evidently the demo version of Acrobat = I have=20 will not let me save these files.
 
Can anyone offer help? I would even pay = for a hard=20 copy of someone's manuals. What I really need is how toconfig these = things to=20 get the pcmcia and so on working, both in 3.1, or 3.11 and W95.. I dont = think I=20 want W98 on these things, someone might convince me one way or t'other.=20
 
One  (586) has 810 mb hd, 20 = mb=20 ram,  the 486 has 120mb/810 mb hd and 12 mb ram
 
Also the upgraded board, apparently = >from a 7xx=20 series (now in the 360) has a sound card.
 
Also I'm interested in old dos stuff, = what have=20 you?  especially looking for laplink pro ver 4 (for = dos)
 
Thanks, = Delar
------=_NextPart_000_005B_01BFB9A6.81028940-- From cph Tue May 9 14:05:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA26222 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:05:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11953; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 14:03:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11863; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11846; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 14:03:31 -0400 Received: by PORKCHOP with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:07:31 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'DELAR MESSMORE'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Im new, old thinkpads Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:07:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFB9E1.718AC244" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFB9E1.718AC244 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" A full version of the Adobe Acrobat reader is available at adobe's website ( www.adobe.com ). Hope that helps you out. Greg -----Original Message----- From: DELAR MESSMORE [mailto:n7jau@sisna.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 1:06 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Im new, old thinkpads Hope this is the appropriate site. I have what was a 360c, (upgraded to 586 133) an original 360c (486 133) and a similar "pen" 360Pxx notebook. I have none of the original docs or install stuff for them, all got used. I found the Ibm site, but all I found for manuals was evidently in "pdf" format, and evidently the demo version of Acrobat I have will not let me save these files. Can anyone offer help? I would even pay for a hard copy of someone's manuals. What I really need is how toconfig these things to get the pcmcia and so on working, both in 3.1, or 3.11 and W95.. I dont think I want W98 on these things, someone might convince me one way or t'other. One (586) has 810 mb hd, 20 mb ram, the 486 has 120mb/810 mb hd and 12 mb ram Also the upgraded board, apparently from a 7xx series (now in the 360) has a sound card. Also I'm interested in old dos stuff, what have you? especially looking for laplink pro ver 4 (for dos) Thanks, Delar ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFB9E1.718AC244 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
A full version of the Adobe Acrobat reader is available at adobe's website (www.adobe.com).
 
Hope that helps you out.
 
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: DELAR MESSMORE [mailto:n7jau@sisna.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 1:06 PM
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Im new, old thinkpads

Hope this is the appropriate site.  I have what was a 360c, (upgraded to 586 133) an original 360c (486 133) and a similar "pen" 360Pxx notebook.  I have none of the original docs or install stuff for them, all got used.  I found the Ibm site, but all I found for manuals was evidently in "pdf" format, and evidently the demo version of Acrobat I have will not let me save these files.
 
Can anyone offer help? I would even pay for a hard copy of someone's manuals. What I really need is how toconfig these things to get the pcmcia and so on working, both in 3.1, or 3.11 and W95.. I dont think I want W98 on these things, someone might convince me one way or t'other.
 
One  (586) has 810 mb hd, 20 mb ram,  the 486 has 120mb/810 mb hd and 12 mb ram
 
Also the upgraded board, apparently from a 7xx series (now in the 360) has a sound card.
 
Also I'm interested in old dos stuff, what have you?  especially looking for laplink pro ver 4 (for dos)
 
Thanks, Delar
------_=_NextPart_001_01BFB9E1.718AC244-- From cph Tue May 9 14:22:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA26354 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:22:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13168; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:19:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 14:19:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13080; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13066; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:19:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (208.203.130.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 14:19:01 -0400 Received: from xpool84.acunet.net (xpool84.acunet.net [208.208.7.84]) by acunet.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id OAA07552 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:19:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005091819.OAA07552@acunet.net> From: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 14:17:25 -0500 Reply-To: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Im new, old thinkpads List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 9 May 2000 11:05:36 -0700, DELAR MESSMORE wrote: >Hope this is the appropriate site. I have what was a 360c, (upgraded to 586 133) an original 360c (486 133) and a similar "pen" 360Pxx notebook. I have none of the original docs or install stuff for them, all got used. I found the Ibm site, but all I found for manuals was evidently in "pdf" format, and evidently the demo version of Acrobat I have will not let me save these files. Under OS/2 I found the pdf files in my /tcpip/tmp directory. I simply opened that directory and saved the files elsewhere so I could have them for later reference. If you are running windows you may find a similar tactic will work for you. Jeff From cph Tue May 9 14:43:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA26545 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:42:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15169; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 14:40:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15043; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15020; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:40:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 14:40:13 -0400 Received: from 209-122-212-64.s572.tnt6.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.212.64]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12pEvT-0004Ia-00; Tue, 9 May 2000 14:40:12 -0400 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 14:40:14 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <18611.000509@erols.com> To: "DELAR MESSMORE" CC: Subject: Re: Im new, old thinkpads In-reply-To: <005e01bfb9e1$2e5d2660$d8ecaacf@n7jau> References: <005e01bfb9e1$2e5d2660$d8ecaacf@n7jau> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: DELAR, Tuesday, May 09, 2000, 2:05:36 PM, you wrote: > Hope this is the appropriate site. I have what was a 360c, (upgraded to 586 133) an original 360c (486 133) and a similar "pen" 360Pxx notebook. I have none of the original docs or install stuff > for them, all got used. I found the Ibm site, but all I found for manuals was evidently in "pdf" format, and evidently the demo version of Acrobat I have will not let me save these files. Yes, if you open the .pdf file with Acrobat, you can't save them. But put the mouse cursor on the link, then right click, then select "save target as" and the entire pdf file will be downloaded as a viewable file. -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Tue May 9 15:13:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA26787 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:12:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17710; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:10:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 15:10:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17550; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from castor.ipac.caltech.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17537; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:10:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from castor.ipac.caltech.edu (134.4.10.10 -> castor.ipac.caltech.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 15:10:07 -0400 Received: from chaney.ipac.caltech.edu (chaney.ipac.caltech.edu [134.4.30.117]) by castor.ipac.caltech.edu (8.8.8/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA07704 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:10:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: (gene@localhost) by chaney.ipac.caltech.edu (8.8.5/8.6.4) id MAA02128 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 9 May 2000 12:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005091903.MAA02128@chaney.ipac.caltech.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: dead TEAC cd drive List-Unsubscribe: Hello Thinkpad Gurus, I have a Thinkpad 385cd with a Teac CD-38E which seems to be dead. When I try to access a cd in the drive (any cd, music or data) I get: device is not ready And the drive doesn't seem to be spinning up. In "My computer/properties" -> this device is working properly Bios diagnostics check out OK but no joy. The computer is almost 3 years old, & out of warrantee. Can I fix this myself (replace drive?) or what is the best alternative to fix it. In the first case, where to get replacement drive. thanks, Gene Kopan From cph Tue May 9 15:16:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA26812 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:16:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18273; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 15:13:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18189; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.span.ch (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18176; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.span.ch (144.85.10.50 -> mail.span.ch) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 15:13:48 -0400 Received: from mp2-c85-p22.span.ch (mp2-c85-p22.span.ch [195.15.85.22]) by mail.span.ch (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA28550; Tue, 9 May 2000 21:13:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by mp2-c85-p22.span.ch with Microsoft Mail id <01BFB9FB.98DFD900@mp2-c85-p22.span.ch>; Tue, 9 May 2000 21:14:44 +-200 Message-ID: <01BFB9FB.98DFD900@mp2-c85-p22.span.ch> From: Jean-Christian Chevalier To: "'STeve Andre''" Cc: "'THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: Different "color" TFT displays Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:14:04 +-200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA26813 Hi Steve, The color temperature of an LCD display can be modified by the backlight. For example the SGI 1600SW Flat Panel Monitor can have its colour temperature adjusted by software, and this is actually achieved by changing the colour temperature of the backlight. This is explained, as well as lots of details on the building of this TFT display, in a White paper from SGI. You can find it at http://www.sgi.com/peripherals/flatpanel/datasheets.html (it's the document "Flat Panel LCD Display White Paper", in PDF format). This one should answer a lot of your questions about LCD displays. Jean-Christian Chevalier > A couple of weeks ago I got the screen on my i 1451 replaced due to the > pink screen > problem. The new display is very nice, absolutely perfect pixels and such, > but something > has finally dawned on me just now, perhaps because I've been up about 28 > hours dealing > with the love bug-- > > That is, this i 1451's display now seems to be more blue than > before. Putting my i 1480 > next to it, it seems more.... well I'm not sure quite how to say it: > perhaps more mellow, > meaning more red? I have problems/arguments with people about colors at > times so > its hard for me to describe this. > > Have folks noticed effects like this? I wonder how much variance there is > between > screens. Or perhaps, the size of the screen matters, or the kind of > backlighting used? > If anyone has any links to places that talk about the building of TFT > displays I've love > to read about them. > > Thanks, STeve Andre' > From cph Tue May 9 15:54:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA27229 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:54:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21466; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 15:50:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21313; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3803.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21286; Tue, 9 May 2000 15:50:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3803.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.174 -> web3803.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 15:50:53 -0400 Message-ID: <20000509195051.2033.qmail@web3803.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.15.109.121] by web3803.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 May 2000 12:50:51 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 12:50:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: Re: 4.8GB HDD for sale To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know what the largest hard drive a 760XD can take. I was hoping to upgrade to a 6.4 gb drive I saw for about $190. Thanks Garrett Kaste. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Tue May 9 16:08:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA27367 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:08:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24733; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 16:05:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24659; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24644; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 16:05:04 -0400 Received: from zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id e49K52L07285; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) id e49K52907463; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: Rob Bell Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? References: <20000509155451.4106.qmail@www0e.netaddress.usa.net> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 09 May 2000 16:05:02 -0400 In-Reply-To: Rob Bell's message of "9 May 00 10:54:51 CDT" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: Rob Bell writes: > I was on SP3 at the time. However, SP4 or 5 would not have helped > to the level I needed. They do (I think) provide the ability to > read NTFS5 partitions, but disk-level utilities are not > supported. ...I wasn't willing to live with that limitation on my > main business laptop. As far as I could tell from MS, even the > latest service pack (SP6a?) cannot fully access/administer an NTFS5 > partition. Yes, you're absolutely correct. Peace, dNb From cph Tue May 9 16:25:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA27586 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:25:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26484; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 16:23:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26374; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26361; Tue, 9 May 2000 16:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (140.142.77.10 -> jason03.u.washington.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 16:23:39 -0400 Received: from dante15.u.washington.edu (williams@dante15.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.84]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id NAA20846 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:23:36 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante15.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.09/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id NAA98592 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 13:23:32 -0700 Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 13:23:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar In-Reply-To: <200005091819.OAA07552@acunet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I'm about ready to buy a CD-RW for my 770ED. I have an Adaptec 1480a (cardbus). I also have the new 25G Travelstar in it as well as the standard 8G. What maximum writing speeds can I expect see with this configuration (with either drive)? Also, the 25G drive seems quite a bit louder than the standard 8G. Is this normal? (Some times like a clunking sound) Finally, when doing Digital Audio Extraction (DAE) with the internal DVD I keep getting errors at 20 minutes 37 seconds. Is this common and is there any way to correct this? I'm thinking about getting a Plextor since they have a good reputation for DAE. Any opinions? Thanks, John From cph Tue May 9 17:22:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28106 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:22:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01970; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 17:20:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01882; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haupia.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01858; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:20:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haupia.lava.net (199.222.42.44 -> haupia.lava.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 17:20:16 -0400 Received: from HPDDB(naupaka054.lava.net[207.26.195.101]) (1588 bytes) by haupia.lava.net via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 11:20:13 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Dec-7) Message-ID: <002101bfb9fc$ea82c8c0$fcf71eac@PDIMAGE> From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: "thinkpad" References: <20000509195051.2033.qmail@web3803.mail.yahoo.com> Subject: Re: 4.8GB HDD for sale Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 11:24:08 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: --Garret I just picked up a 6.4 IBM notebook drive from www.123cdc.com for about $146. And it's brand new with a 3 year warranty. just FYI. --Keith Keith Wong System Administrator - IKON Business Information Systems Honolulu Police Department site - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Pager:(808) 290-0888 Home:(808) 949-0345 E-mails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: Garrett Kaste To: Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 9:50 AM Subject: Re: 4.8GB HDD for sale > Does anyone know what the largest hard drive a 760XD > can take. I was hoping to upgrade to a 6.4 gb drive I > saw for about $190. > > Thanks > Garrett Kaste. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > From cph Tue May 9 18:33:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28690 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:33:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07176; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 18:31:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07031; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07018; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 18:31:46 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-27.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.27]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA09970 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000509183331.0133f790@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:33:31 -0700 To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar In-Reply-To: References: <200005091819.OAA07552@acunet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: With a 1480a cardbus, the CD-RW will give out for Xfers long before the 1480a does. :) If you get an 8x, expect 8x write speeds with certified material. For CD-ROM devices, each multiple is 150kB/sec, so expect 150kB x8 = 1200kB/sec which is 1.2megs/sec A 74min CD will burn in ~9minutes 15seconds +/- 15 seconds at 8x. An 80min CD will burn ~10minutes. Double all those times for 4x. I had a friend who burned CD's a few years back with a 1460a on a Toshiba 720CDT with no problems (Pentium 133 w/ 80 megs). I suspect your rig will vastly eclipse that! :) The 14 and 25gig drives I've used in various 770's were louder than the 8gig drives, but then again, I found the 8gig drives very quiet compared to a lot of other drives out there. I've never had problems extracting with the 24x CD-ROM drive, but I never tried it with the internal DVD. Mark At 01:23 PM 05/09/2000 -0700, J. Williams wrote: >Hi, > >I'm about ready to buy a CD-RW for my 770ED. I have an Adaptec 1480a >(cardbus). I also have the new 25G Travelstar in it as well as the >standard 8G. > >What maximum writing speeds can I expect see with this >configuration (with either drive)? > >Also, the 25G drive seems quite a bit louder than the standard 8G. Is this >normal? (Some times like a clunking sound) > >Finally, when doing Digital Audio Extraction (DAE) with the internal DVD I >keep getting errors at 20 minutes 37 seconds. Is this common and is >there any way to correct this? I'm thinking about getting a Plextor since >they have a good reputation for DAE. Any opinions? > >Thanks, John > > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue May 9 18:57:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28844 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:57:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08712; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 18:56:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08615; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:56:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08601; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.111 -> pilot011.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 18:56:11 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (symposium.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.43]) by pilot011.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA18602 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 18:56:08 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000509185450.00d8fc40@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 18:56:43 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Im new, old thinkpads In-Reply-To: <18611.000509@erols.com> References: <005e01bfb9e1$2e5d2660$d8ecaacf@n7jau> <005e01bfb9e1$2e5d2660$d8ecaacf@n7jau> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: You can also go into your browers cache, and root around for .PDF files. Find the nice fat one who's date corresponds to the download of it, and copy that file to some permanent name. If its locked you might have to exit adobe before doing the copy. --STeve Andre' At 02:40 PM 5/9/00 -0400, Donald MacQueen wrote: >DELAR, > >Tuesday, May 09, 2000, 2:05:36 PM, you wrote: > > > Hope this is the appropriate site. I have what was a 360c, (upgraded > to 586 133) an original 360c (486 133) and a similar "pen" 360Pxx > notebook. I have none of the original docs or install stuff > > for them, all got used. I found the Ibm site, but all I found for > manuals was evidently in "pdf" format, and evidently the demo version of > Acrobat I have will not let me save these files. > >Yes, if you open the .pdf file with Acrobat, you >can't save them. But put the mouse cursor on the link, >then right click, then select "save target as" >and the entire pdf file will be downloaded as a >viewable file. > > > >-- >Donald > >Donald M. MacQueen >Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Tue May 9 20:43:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA29576 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 20:43:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13841; Tue, 9 May 2000 20:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 20:41:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13755; Tue, 9 May 2000 20:41:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13742; Tue, 9 May 2000 20:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 20:41:54 -0400 Received: from [216.59.0.202] (216.59.0.202) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.024) id 390F045000133254 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 9 May 2000 17:41:17 -0700 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 17:41:29 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: From Internet World Daily newsletter...about UBid... List-Unsubscribe: >Sloppy Typing Leads to Lawsuit Against uBid > >By Brian Caulfield > >Some online deals really are too good to be true. A group of >uBid ( http://www.ubid.com ) customers filed a >lawsuit Friday, claiming the online auctioneer defrauded them >by canceling their low bids on some fancy computers. uBid >blamed the cancellations on a mistake by one of the vendors >it works with, and said it can't be held responsible. > >According to the lawsuit filed in Cook County Illinois >Circuit Court, in April more than 300 people bid on 959 >Pentium III 733-MHz computers offered for sale at uBid, of >Elk Grove Village, Ill. The winning bids ranged from $53 and >$353, according to the suit. The bidders claim uBid e-mailed >them and said the orders had been sent to a supplier for >shipping, but shortly thereafter, it sent another e-mail and >canceled the orders, offering a $50 coupon instead. uBid did >not charge the credit cards of any bidder. > >Nevenka Todorovic, manager of corporate communications at >uBid, said the problem was caused by a mistake made by a >third party vendor. In some auctions, uBid offers its own >goods, in others, goods are offered by outside vendors. The >auction that caused the lawsuit was one in which a third >party offered its goods for sale at uBid, she said, and that >outside company mistakenly listed that it had 959 computers >for sale, with minimum bids of $3 dollars each. In fact, >Todorovic said, it meant to list 3 computers for sale at $959 >each. By the time the company reported its error to uBid, and >uBid was able to close down the auction, it had already been >completed, Todorovic said. > >The vendor has since been yanked from uBid's site, Todorovic >said. "We believe it's a frivolous lawsuit, because we >did everything we could to correct the matter," she >said. "They used our site to auction off the item, [but] >it's not a uBid auction." > >The lawyer representing the bidders, Brian Murphy, of Murray >Murphy Moul & Basil, in Columbus, Ohio, rejected that >argument. "They sent out the winning bid e-mails, they >were processing the credit cards," Murphy said. >"Any user that participates in uBid auctions believes >they are dealing with one party and one party alone, and that >is uBid.com." > >The case will likely turn on the terms of the contract uBid >asks users to agree to before participating in its auctions, >said Tony Lupo, a Washington, D.C., lawyer with the firm >Arent Fox. Lupo noted that such "clickware" >contracts, which many Internet and software businesses ask >users to agree to, have been enforceable and can give a >company a great deal of legal protection. > >In placing bids, uBid's Web site tells users they agree to >abide by its "House Rules." Among those rules is >one stating that users cannot cancel their bids once they are >submitted. Vendors who auction their goods through uBid are >also asked to agree to a list of rules and conditions, which >includes an agreement to honor all sales to winning bidders >"regardless of the amount of the final auction." >------------------------------------------------------------ Michelle Klein-Hass -- Rescuing orphaned computers from the dumpster! "Trent" B&W G3 350 192/6GB/DVD SSW 8.5.1 -- "Dexter" K5-166 Windows95 OEM SR2.1 "SodyPop" Performa 460 36/1GB FPU 16 bit Video SSW 7.5.3 (Unity) "Samurai Penguin" K6-2 300 64MB/3.5GB/8MB VRAM Caldera OpenLinux eDesktop 2.4 "Amy" IBM Thinkpad 365X Pentium 133, 40MB RAM, 4.3GB HD, W95a + service packs "Dilputer" Celeron 433 PC, 128MB ECC RAM, 8.4GB and 25GB IBM HDs w/W98SE Now living at a friend's house: "Jimmy" Classic II 10/250 SSW 7.1.3 In need of restoration: Classic II (nds drives) SE/30 (nds HD), "Brittany" Classic 4/80 SSW 7.1.3 (Analog Board prob), "Felix" 5x86-133 (nds CD-ROM and HD) From cph Tue May 9 22:18:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA30202 for ; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:18:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17379; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 9 May 2000 22:17:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17262; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17249; Tue, 9 May 2000 22:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 9 May 2000 22:17:07 -0400 Received: from [216.59.0.202] (216.59.0.202) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.024) id 390F045000136ACB; Tue, 9 May 2000 19:16:04 -0700 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3918EA69.400B@southeast.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 19:16:16 -0700 To: pctech@southeast.net From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: Re: From Internet World Daily newsletter...about UBid... Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: >What do you mean by this message? So type of joke?? > >Michelle Klein-Hass wrote: >> >> >Sloppy Typing Leads to Lawsuit Against uBid >> > >> >By Brian Caulfield Nope, this appeared in the Internet World Daily newsletter today. No joke. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! When a Windows PC says "I love you," you know it MEANS it. Go Linux/FreeBSD! Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Wed May 10 00:14:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA30885 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 00:14:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21930; Wed, 10 May 2000 00:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 00:13:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21779; Wed, 10 May 2000 00:13:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA21691; Wed, 10 May 2000 00:11:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.99 -> web3604.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 00:11:20 -0400 Message-ID: <20000510040928.8464.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [128.91.16.117] by web3604.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 09 May 2000 21:09:28 PDT Date: Tue, 9 May 2000 21:09:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Ma Subject: Where to get trackpoint caps and how to clean it? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Hi, My TP came with one spare tarckpoint cap. I am wondering that where can I get more caps besides compu-lock? Can I get colored ones? Although I wash my hands before I touch my TP, I still have to clean my cap by scrapping with a knife about every two weeks to get rid of the dark surface. What is the best way to clean the cap? Thanks for any info. -Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Wed May 10 01:40:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA31365 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 01:40:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24897; Wed, 10 May 2000 01:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 01:36:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24688; Wed, 10 May 2000 01:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24675; Wed, 10 May 2000 01:36:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.2 -> ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 01:36:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 29555 invoked by alias); 10 May 2000 05:36:16 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 29515 invoked by uid 0); 10 May 2000 05:36:13 -0000 Received: from dialuph148.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.88.148) by ptldpop2.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 10 May 2000 05:36:13 -0000 Message-ID: <3918F47C.3DECE957@uswest.net> Date: Tue, 09 May 2000 22:32:44 -0700 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: DELAR MESSMORE , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Im new, old thinkpads References: <005e01bfb9e1$2e5d2660$d8ecaacf@n7jau> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: DELAR MESSMORE wrote: > What I really need is how toconfig these things to get the pcmcia and so on working, > both in 3.1, or 3.11 and W95.. I dont think I want W98 on these things, someone might > convince me one way or t'other. In DOS & Win3.1 I've found it best to upgrade to IBM PCDOS 7.0 (now PCDOS 2000). It includes pcmcia support that works well on my 360cse. -- Patrick West pgp 2.6.2 key fingerprint = 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Wed May 10 04:13:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA31938 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 04:13:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01964; Wed, 10 May 2000 04:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 04:11:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01858; Wed, 10 May 2000 04:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bettina.informatik.uni-bremen.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01845; Wed, 10 May 2000 04:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bettina.informatik.uni-bremen.de (134.102.224.3 -> bettina.informatik.uni-bremen.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 04:11:23 -0400 Received: from henker-1.home.informatik.uni-bremen.de (waigel.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.224.4]) by bettina.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.10.1/8.8.7) with ESMTP id e4A8BJ121134 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:11:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by henker-1.home.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 769B676817 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:09:54 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:09:54 +0200 (MET DST) From: Steffan Henke X-Sender: henker@henker-1.home.informatik.uni-bremen.de To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Where to get trackpoint caps and how to clean it? In-Reply-To: <20000510040928.8464.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 9 May 2000, Alex Ma wrote: > My TP came with one spare tarckpoint cap. > I am wondering that where can I get more caps besides > compu-lock? You should be able to get them directly from IBM. Other suppliers were mentioned on this list a while ago. I ordered mine from a German company, http://www.vebis.de > Can I get colored ones? IIRC, they are available in blue and red. Regards, Steffan -- ... Our continuing mission: To seek out knowledge of C, to explore strange UNIX commands, and to boldly code where no one has man page 4. From cph Wed May 10 08:16:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA00634 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:16:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15338; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 08:14:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15211; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:14:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15198; Wed, 10 May 2000 08:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 08:14:02 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial47.auto-net.com [208.154.252.96]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA50255 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 07:01:53 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <39196EAE.6F10562A@iso.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:14:06 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Where to get trackpoint caps and how to clean it? References: <20000510040928.8464.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Alex, If you use eBay click on "Nudemike" usually has them. I got 5 for $10. Bill Alex Ma wrote: > Hi, > > My TP came with one spare tarckpoint cap. > I am wondering that where can I get more caps besides > compu-lock? > Can I get colored ones? > > Although I wash my hands before I touch my TP, I still > have to clean my cap by scrapping with a knife about > every two weeks to get rid of the dark surface. What > is the best way to clean the cap? > > Thanks for any info. > -Alex > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Wed May 10 10:20:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA01484 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:20:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22049; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 10:19:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21918; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clio.webcombo.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21904; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clio.webcombo.net (207.250.9.20 -> mail.webcombo.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 10:19:19 -0400 Received: from server (atlanta-ip-1-130.dynamic.ziplink.net [209.206.51.130]) by clio.webcombo.net (8.9.3/[.92 webCOMBO - ALL UCE PROHIBITED]) with SMTP id JAA30438; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:17:51 -0500 Message-ID: <003a01bfba8b$0a444510$01010a0a@BPD.home> From: "Richard Chalk" To: "Rob Bell" , "David N. Blank-Edelman" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <20000509155451.4106.qmail@www0e.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Upgrading from NT4 to 2000 problem (was: Win 2000: OEM or retail) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:21:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Since you guys have obviously had considerable experience with NT4 and Win2K, I wonder if you can help me with an upgrade proble, I have a ThinkPad 770Z, on which NT4 was completely configured, SR-5, with all drivers, and networking with a 3-Com Cardbus PCMCIA card. In trying to keep the SID intact, I attempted to do an upgrade to Windows 2000 Pro, by removing as many drivers as I could find, and then running the upgrade. Everything goes fine, the upgrade completes, including the requisite re-boots, until the very end. When the installation is complete, the computer reboots, but won't start. It shows the initial startup, with the white bar at the bottom, then switches to the Starting Windows 2000 splash screen. At this point, it proceeds until the graphic bar at the bottom is about 2/3 of the way to the right, and then the machine locks up, so tight that I have to use the reset button to restart it. The same computer, with a clean install of Win2K, works perfectly, so it must be something left over from 4.0, but I can't tell what. The lockup occurs before it begins a boot log. The same thing happens in safe mode, so it is not possible to read anything about the problem. Can anyone offer a solution? Thanks, Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "David N. Blank-Edelman" To: "Rob Bell" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 4:05 PM Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? > Rob Bell writes: > > > I was on SP3 at the time. However, SP4 or 5 would not have helped > > to the level I needed. They do (I think) provide the ability to > > read NTFS5 partitions, but disk-level utilities are not > > supported. ...I wasn't willing to live with that limitation on my > > main business laptop. As far as I could tell from MS, even the > > latest service pack (SP6a?) cannot fully access/administer an NTFS5 > > partition. > > Yes, you're absolutely correct. > Peace, > dNb > From cph Wed May 10 10:26:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA01550 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:26:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22667; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 10:25:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22547; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22529; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 10:25:50 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA51945; Wed, 10 May 2000 07:25:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from think2k (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA46944; Wed, 10 May 2000 07:25:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001f01bfba8b$c822d650$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Richard Chalk" , "Rob Bell" , "David N. Blank-Edelman" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <20000509155451.4106.qmail@www0e.netaddress.usa.net> <003a01bfba8b$0a444510$01010a0a@BPD.home> Subject: Re: Upgrading from NT4 to 2000 problem (was: Win 2000: OEM or retail) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 07:26:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Have you updated to the latest BIOS from the IBM web site? David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Chalk" To: "Rob Bell" ; "David N. Blank-Edelman" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 7:21 AM Subject: Upgrading from NT4 to 2000 problem (was: Win 2000: OEM or retail) > Since you guys have obviously had considerable experience with NT4 and > Win2K, I wonder if you can help me with an upgrade proble, > > I have a ThinkPad 770Z, on which NT4 was completely configured, SR-5, with > all drivers, and networking with a 3-Com Cardbus PCMCIA card. > > In trying to keep the SID intact, I attempted to do an upgrade to Windows > 2000 Pro, by removing as many drivers as I could find, and then running the > upgrade. Everything goes fine, the upgrade completes, including the > requisite re-boots, until the very end. When the installation is complete, > the computer reboots, but won't start. It shows the initial startup, with > the white bar at the bottom, then switches to the Starting Windows 2000 > splash screen. At this point, it proceeds until the graphic bar at the > bottom is about 2/3 of the way to the right, and then the machine locks up, > so tight that I have to use the reset button to restart it. > > The same computer, with a clean install of Win2K, works perfectly, so it > must be something left over from 4.0, but I can't tell what. The lockup > occurs before it begins a boot log. The same thing happens in safe mode, so > it is not possible to read anything about the problem. > > Can anyone offer a solution? > > Thanks, > Richard > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David N. Blank-Edelman" > To: "Rob Bell" > Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2000 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: Win 2000: OEM or retail? > > > > Rob Bell writes: > > > > > I was on SP3 at the time. However, SP4 or 5 would not have helped > > > to the level I needed. They do (I think) provide the ability to > > > read NTFS5 partitions, but disk-level utilities are not > > > supported. ...I wasn't willing to live with that limitation on my > > > main business laptop. As far as I could tell from MS, even the > > > latest service pack (SP6a?) cannot fully access/administer an NTFS5 > > > partition. > > > > Yes, you're absolutely correct. > > Peace, > > dNb > > > > From cph Wed May 10 10:54:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA01844 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:54:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24893; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 10:53:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24800; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0d.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24787; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0d.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.33 -> www0d.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 10:53:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 19142 invoked by uid 60001); 10 May 2000 14:22:03 -0000 Message-ID: <20000510142203.19141.qmail@www0d.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.33 by www0d for [208.16.87.2] via web-mailer(M3.3.1.96) on Wed May 10 14:22:03 GMT 2000 Date: 10 May 00 09:22:03 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "Richard Chalk" Subject: Re: Upgrading from NT4 to 2000 problem (was: Win 2000: OEM or retail) CC: ThinkPad Mailing List X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (M3.3.1.96) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA01845 I have a lot of NT experience and some Win2K, but not much migrating between the two. My installs of Win2K (or any other new OS) almost exclusively involve starting with a freshly formatted disk. I saw the problems with Win3.1 to Win95 upgrades years ago and decided it wasn't worth it to upgrade between OSes. I keep data files segregated and have access to all the program install files I need, so I just start from scratch and build a new system when I need to change OS. That said, my advice would be to focus on existing drivers from the NT4 installation. Things like CardWizard, modem drivers, network cards, anti-virus, disk utilities, etc. can cause these types of problems with NT (and likely Win2K) at bootup. With NT, one could boot a parallel install (easy with a laptop and a second HD), then edit the problem system's registry hive containing service info to disable suspect drivers. This saved my butt at least once when an install of UUNet DUN software caused my NT4 system to blue-screen at boot time. Win2K may have a similar feature. Try posting your problem to an appropriate MS newsgroup (news://msnews.microsoft.com) for other ideas. Good luck, Rob p.s. I don't know if Win2K has the equivalent of booting in 'Safe Mode', but you may want to explore that. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Wed May 10 11:41:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA02303 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:41:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27619; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 11:39:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27532; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.sisna.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27519; Wed, 10 May 2000 11:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.sisna.com (216.126.204.54 -> mail.sisna.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 11:39:27 -0400 Received: from n7jau [207.170.236.194] by mail.sisna.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id A0BD10C60112; Wed, 10 May 2000 09:31:09 -0600 Message-ID: <004401bfba96$e6b5d440$e1ecaacf@n7jau> Reply-To: "DELAR MESSMORE" From: "DELAR MESSMORE" To: Subject: more on Im new. old thinkpads Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 08:46:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0041_01BFBA5C.39213B60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BFBA5C.39213B60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all the help so far. Especially Don MacQueen, who got the = trick on saving pdf.. For some reason, the version of Acrobat reader I = have (and had) will not "save" when you use the "file" icon--you get to = the save window, hit the key, and it just "blinks" once and sits there. = What he says, and it works,--right click on the "link" then use "save = target"--you are not even using Acrobat at this point--then later you = can load it into Acrobat offline. The thing is, Acrobat has a "save" = icon/funtion in the program, it just doesnt work, at least for me--and = it says its ver 4xx So he got me straight on that. I found and printed a whole bunch of = stuff from ibm, and believe I got all the discs and files from their = site. =20 I still would like to find a copy of the original docs for the 360 = series, and have not found it there at ibm---yet. Anyway, let me digest all this for a few days, thanks again Delar N7JAU ------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BFBA5C.39213B60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for all the help so far.  = Especially=20 Don MacQueen, who got the trick on saving pdf.. For some reason, the = version of=20 Acrobat reader I have (and had) will not "save" when you use the "file"=20 icon--you get to the save window, hit the key, and it just "blinks" once = and=20 sits there.  What he says, and it works,--right click on the "link" = then=20 use "save target"--you are not even using Acrobat at this point--then = later you=20 can load it into Acrobat offline.  The thing is, Acrobat has a = "save"=20 icon/funtion in the program, it just doesnt work, at least for me--and = it says=20 its ver 4xx
 
So he got me straight on that. I found = and printed=20 a whole bunch of stuff from ibm, and believe I got all the discs and = files from=20 their site. 
 
I still would like to find a copy of = the original=20 docs for the 360 series, and have not found it there at = ibm---yet.
 
Anyway, let me digest all this for a = few days,=20 thanks again
 
Delar N7JAU
------=_NextPart_000_0041_01BFBA5C.39213B60-- From cph Wed May 10 13:10:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA03155 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 13:10:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04112; Wed, 10 May 2000 13:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 13:08:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03913; Wed, 10 May 2000 13:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03898; Wed, 10 May 2000 13:08:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 13:08:22 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA00801; Wed, 10 May 2000 10:07:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Richard Chalk" , "Rob Bell" , "David N. Blank-Edelman" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: Upgrading from NT4 to 2000 problem (was: Win 2000: OEM or retail) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 10:07:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003a01bfba8b$0a444510$01010a0a@BPD.home> List-Unsubscribe: > The same computer, with a clean install of Win2K, works perfectly, so it > must be something left over from 4.0, but I can't tell what. The lockup > occurs before it begins a boot log. The same thing happens in safe mode, so > it is not possible to read anything about the problem. Your working clean install can access the files in the upgraded NT4 directory, is that right? One thing you could do would be to look at the old \winnt\system32 and \winnt\system32\drivers directories, sorted by date. Go through the files that are older than the Windows 2000 files, and move some or all of them to an Outtakes folder. I was going to suggest trying something like this in a CMD.EXE shell: dir /on /s \win2000 >win2000.dir dir /on /s \winnt >winnt.dir fc win2000.dir winnt.dir >diff.txt notepad diff.txt But the output from the FC program isn't very easy to work with. If you have any other kind of file compare tool it might be worthwhile. Sometimes I just do a "visual compare" by loading two files into maximized Notepad windows and Alt-Tabbing back and forth between them. -Mike From cph Wed May 10 14:46:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA04430 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 14:46:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13027; Wed, 10 May 2000 14:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 14:43:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12910; Wed, 10 May 2000 14:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12897; Wed, 10 May 2000 14:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 14:43:37 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-327.gate.net [199.227.131.136]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA97990; Wed, 10 May 2000 14:43:32 -0400 Message-ID: <3919ADE5.EDE66CED@gate.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 14:43:49 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "J. Williams" CC: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: FWIW, there are USB CD-RW's available.. Sony makes one.. i got one to experiment with, but have not had time.. and i sold my 600E.. which leaves my 770Z.. the sony does not support w2k.. yet.. "J. Williams" wrote: > Hi, > > I'm about ready to buy a CD-RW for my 770ED. I have an Adaptec 1480a > (cardbus). I also have the new 25G Travelstar in it as well as the > standard 8G. > > What maximum writing speeds can I expect see with this > configuration (with either drive)? > > Also, the 25G drive seems quite a bit louder than the standard 8G. Is this > normal? (Some times like a clunking sound) > > Finally, when doing Digital Audio Extraction (DAE) with the internal DVD I > keep getting errors at 20 minutes 37 seconds. Is this common and is > there any way to correct this? I'm thinking about getting a Plextor since > they have a good reputation for DAE. Any opinions? > > Thanks, John -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed May 10 15:08:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA04775 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 15:08:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15491; Wed, 10 May 2000 15:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 15:04:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15231; Wed, 10 May 2000 15:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15216; Wed, 10 May 2000 15:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 15:04:52 -0400 Received: from 209-122-243-114.s114.tnt1.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.243.114] helo=ppro) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12pbms-0007gM-00; Wed, 10 May 2000 15:04:51 -0400 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Wed, 10 May 2000 15:04:28 -0400 Message-ID: <03a501bfbab2$85251c10$0d00a8c0@dec5200> From: "R Briganti" To: , "J. Williams" Cc: References: <3919ADE5.EDE66CED@gate.net> Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 15:04:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: Bill - Do the USB CDRs get their power from the USB? Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morrow" To: "J. Williams" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 14:43 Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar > FWIW, there are USB CD-RW's available.. > Sony makes one.. i got one to experiment with, but have not had time.. > and i sold my 600E.. > which leaves my 770Z.. > the sony does not support w2k.. yet.. > > "J. Williams" wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm about ready to buy a CD-RW for my 770ED. I have an Adaptec 1480a > > (cardbus). I also have the new 25G Travelstar in it as well as the > > standard 8G. > > > > What maximum writing speeds can I expect see with this > > configuration (with either drive)? > > > > Also, the 25G drive seems quite a bit louder than the standard 8G. Is this > > normal? (Some times like a clunking sound) > > > > Finally, when doing Digital Audio Extraction (DAE) with the internal DVD I > > keep getting errors at 20 minutes 37 seconds. Is this common and is > > there any way to correct this? I'm thinking about getting a Plextor since > > they have a good reputation for DAE. Any opinions? > > > > Thanks, John > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > From cph Wed May 10 16:11:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA05566 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 16:11:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20487; Wed, 10 May 2000 16:09:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 16:06:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20140; Wed, 10 May 2000 16:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20116; Wed, 10 May 2000 16:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 16:06:13 -0400 Received: from ice2000 ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA02720 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 16:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: "'TP List'" Subject: TP600 and EasyServ Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:02:52 -0500 Message-ID: <001001bfbac3$1bd22850$9200a8c0@ice2000> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Folks, Had the pink screen problem on my 2 yr old TP600. Here's how it went... I called David Chong @ IBM Service 1-800-772-2227 on Wed May 3 in the AM. After describing the problem, he asked me several thoughful questions and then gave me an RMA via Airborn. Mr. Chong was absolutely the most courteous, charming service tech I've ever had the pleasure to deal with. The padded Airborn box arrived that evening with clear shipping instructions, and even a 6" long piece of tape. I removed the extra 64Mb RAM, the HD, the battery, and the CD ROM. I spent Thursday setting up a desktop unit to work on, and Friday AM I called 1-800-Airborn (247-2676) for pickup. They arrived sometime Fri May 5 to pick the TP up. The return box shipped from Memphis Tues May 9, and I received it on the morning of Wed May 10th. It came with an easy to read and detailed form >from Keri Seibert, who not only replaced the LCD, but thoughfully upgraded the bios (I was only one version behind). The note said that she had repaired the unit Mon May 8, and it was inspected by Chris Mansfield. I also enclosed a docking bay door that had snapped off, but she explained in a hand written note that per my instructions it was not repaired since it would be a billable, and I had requested warranty service only. Not a single dead pixel, and everything works perfectly. Bless you "Big Blue" for hiring good people and making me glad that I spent the extra bucks to purchase a Thinkpad. Note that this is the second time I've sent in my TP, and the first experience was absolutely identical (different people, of course) to this one. Mark Lemon From cph Wed May 10 18:27:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA07054 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 18:27:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28380; Wed, 10 May 2000 18:26:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 18:25:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28248; Wed, 10 May 2000 18:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28227; Wed, 10 May 2000 18:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 18:25:42 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-327.gate.net [199.227.131.136]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24652; Wed, 10 May 2000 17:35:48 -0400 Message-ID: <3919D645.63CBF97B@gate.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:36:05 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: R Briganti CC: "J. Williams" , ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar References: <3919ADE5.EDE66CED@gate.net> <03a501bfbab2$85251c10$0d00a8c0@dec5200> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: not the one i have.. i wonder if the power in the USB cable is capable of supporting a CD-RW..? R Briganti wrote: > Bill - > > Do the USB CDRs get their power from the USB? > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Morrow" > To: "J. Williams" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 14:43 > Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar > > > FWIW, there are USB CD-RW's available.. > > Sony makes one.. i got one to experiment with, but have not had time.. > > and i sold my 600E.. > > which leaves my 770Z.. > > the sony does not support w2k.. yet.. > > > > "J. Williams" wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm about ready to buy a CD-RW for my 770ED. I have an Adaptec 1480a > > > (cardbus). I also have the new 25G Travelstar in it as well as the > > > standard 8G. > > > > > > What maximum writing speeds can I expect see with this > > > configuration (with either drive)? > > > > > > Also, the 25G drive seems quite a bit louder than the standard 8G. Is > this > > > normal? (Some times like a clunking sound) > > > > > > Finally, when doing Digital Audio Extraction (DAE) with the internal DVD > I > > > keep getting errors at 20 minutes 37 seconds. Is this common and is > > > there any way to correct this? I'm thinking about getting a Plextor > since > > > they have a good reputation for DAE. Any opinions? > > > > > > Thanks, John > > > > -- > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed May 10 19:38:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA07452 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 19:37:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01575; Wed, 10 May 2000 19:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 19:29:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01464; Wed, 10 May 2000 19:29:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01242; Wed, 10 May 2000 19:25:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.200.11 -> mill.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 19:25:42 -0400 Received: from mill.cisco.com (mill.cisco.com [161.44.200.11]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id TAA17689; Wed, 10 May 2000 19:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 19:24:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: Bill Morrow cc: R Briganti , "J. Williams" , ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar In-Reply-To: <3919D645.63CBF97B@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I find it *very* unlikely that there's any power (as such) going down any of the USB wires -- it just ain't supposed to do that. I grant that neither is a parallel port, and some things manage to scrounge some voltage out of there, but what with USB being new and all, I doubt that there're any electrons to spare... Just my semi-informed $.02 worth. -Ken On Wed, 10 May 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:36:05 -0400 > From: Bill Morrow > To: R Briganti > Cc: J. Williams , ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar > > not the one i have.. > i wonder if the power in the USB cable is capable of supporting a CD-RW..? > > R Briganti wrote: > > > Bill - > > > > Do the USB CDRs get their power from the USB? > > > > Bob > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill Morrow" > > To: "J. Williams" > > Cc: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 14:43 > > Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar > > > > > FWIW, there are USB CD-RW's available.. > > > Sony makes one.. i got one to experiment with, but have not had time.. > > > and i sold my 600E.. > > > which leaves my 770Z.. > > > the sony does not support w2k.. yet.. > > > > > > "J. Williams" wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I'm about ready to buy a CD-RW for my 770ED. I have an Adaptec 1480a > > > > (cardbus). I also have the new 25G Travelstar in it as well as the > > > > standard 8G. > > > > > > > > What maximum writing speeds can I expect see with this > > > > configuration (with either drive)? > > > > > > > > Also, the 25G drive seems quite a bit louder than the standard 8G. Is > > this > > > > normal? (Some times like a clunking sound) > > > > > > > > Finally, when doing Digital Audio Extraction (DAE) with the internal DVD > > I > > > > keep getting errors at 20 minutes 37 seconds. Is this common and is > > > > there any way to correct this? I'm thinking about getting a Plextor > > since > > > > they have a good reputation for DAE. Any opinions? > > > > > > > > Thanks, John > > > > > > -- > > > Happy trails... > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > From cph Wed May 10 21:02:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA08057 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:02:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05515; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:01:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 21:00:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05396; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05383; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 21:00:51 -0400 Received: from user-38ld7ph.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld7ph.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.159.49]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA02290; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005110100.VAA02290@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "os2support@theriver.com" , "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000508004015.9FEF225E7C@pantano.theriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Is Memory Just Memory? List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 07 May 2000 17:39:21 -0700, os2support@theriver.com wrote: > As for Lotus, do they still use AMI Pro? Now they use WordPro. It is a behomouth that is capable of doing most anything. Ami Pro was really great and I would pick up a copy if it jumped in front of me. I still have a copy of Lotus Write, which was a scaled down version of Ami Pro, and it is fine for letters and such. From cph Wed May 10 21:03:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA08075 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:03:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05752; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 21:02:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05678; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05665; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 21:02:56 -0400 Received: from user-38ld7ph.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld7ph.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.159.49]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA06914; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005110102.VAA06914@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Steve C." , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000507191231.23347.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Free IBM HDD fitness prog List-Unsubscribe: I downloaded the file, but it appears to be a 'dose9x exe file. Warp wouldn't touch it. Does it work under NT 4.0? Sun, 7 May 2000 12:12:31 -0700 (PDT), Steve C. wrote: >Anyone trying this program should do so at their own >risk! It actually caused a failure on my WDC drive. From cph Wed May 10 21:46:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA08318 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:46:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07820; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 21:45:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07737; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:45:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07724; Wed, 10 May 2000 21:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 21:45:21 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.2.106]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000511014519.FYEE27191.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Thu, 11 May 2000 01:45:19 +0000 Message-ID: <391A10C9.7296@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 21:45:45 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard CC: "os2support@theriver.com" , thinkpad Subject: Re: Is Memory Just Memory? References: <200005110100.VAA02290@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I still use AMI Pro One nice thing, you don't really need to install it - you can copy the directory, copy the ini files into C:\windows, and it works fine. Allan Ballard wrote: > > On Sun, 07 May 2000 17:39:21 -0700, os2support@theriver.com wrote: > > > As for Lotus, do they still use AMI Pro? > > Now they use WordPro. It is a behomouth that > is capable of doing most anything. > > Ami Pro was really great and I would pick up a copy > if it jumped in front of me. I still have a copy of Lotus > Write, which was a scaled down version of Ami Pro, > and it is fine for letters and such. From cph Wed May 10 22:48:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA08515 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 22:48:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10890; Wed, 10 May 2000 22:47:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 22:46:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10780; Wed, 10 May 2000 22:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haupia.lava.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10757; Wed, 10 May 2000 22:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from haupia.lava.net (199.222.42.44 -> haupia.lava.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 22:46:47 -0400 Received: from HPDDB(naupaka005.lava.net[207.26.195.52]) (1251 bytes) by haupia.lava.net via sendmail with P:smtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 16:46:44 -1000 (HST) (Smail-3.2.0.106 1999-Mar-31 #2 built 1999-Dec-7) Message-ID: <00a301bfbaf3$91c9bd40$fcf71eac@PDIMAGE> From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: "thinkpad" Subject: LCD screen fixers? Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 16:49:46 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: --Okay IBM claimed it would cost me 1 grand to replace my 701C LCD. Are there any other laptop servicers out there that could do better? Someone had mentioned that one place guaranteed they could fix any laptop screen for $200. Does anyone remember the name of that business? I'd sure appreciate that reference. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks one and all. --Keith Keith Wong System Administrator - IKON Business Information Systems Honolulu Police Department site - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Pager:(808) 290-0888 Home:(808) 949-0345 E-mails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu From cph Wed May 10 23:35:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA08724 for ; Wed, 10 May 2000 23:35:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12938; Wed, 10 May 2000 23:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 10 May 2000 23:28:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12828; Wed, 10 May 2000 23:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12815; Wed, 10 May 2000 23:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 10 May 2000 23:28:13 -0400 Received: from 209-122-243-13.s13.tnt1.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.243.13] helo=ppro) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12pjdz-0000Kw-00 for ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 10 May 2000 23:28:11 -0400 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Wed, 10 May 2000 23:26:56 -0400 Message-ID: <044c01bfbaf8$b9faa450$0d00a8c0@dec5200> From: "R Briganti" To: References: Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 23:26:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: My Wacom Graphire tablet gets its power from the USB and so does my Canon flatbed scanner and my Telex microphone USB pod. So there is some power but I don't know how much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: "Bill Morrow" Cc: "R Briganti" ; "J. Williams" ; Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 19:24 Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar > I find it *very* unlikely that there's any power (as such) going down any > of the USB wires -- it just ain't supposed to do that. I grant that > neither is a parallel port, and some things manage to scrounge some > voltage out of there, but what with USB being new and all, I doubt that > there're any electrons to spare... > > Just my semi-informed $.02 worth. > > -Ken > > On Wed, 10 May 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > > > Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 17:36:05 -0400 > > From: Bill Morrow > > To: R Briganti > > Cc: J. Williams , ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar > > > > not the one i have.. > > i wonder if the power in the USB cable is capable of supporting a CD-RW..? > > > > R Briganti wrote: > > > > > Bill - > > > > > > Do the USB CDRs get their power from the USB? > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bill Morrow" > > > To: "J. Williams" > > > Cc: > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 14:43 > > > Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar > > > > > > > FWIW, there are USB CD-RW's available.. > > > > Sony makes one.. i got one to experiment with, but have not had time.. > > > > and i sold my 600E.. > > > > which leaves my 770Z.. > > > > the sony does not support w2k.. yet.. > > > > > > > > "J. Williams" wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > > > I'm about ready to buy a CD-RW for my 770ED. I have an Adaptec 1480a > > > > > (cardbus). I also have the new 25G Travelstar in it as well as the > > > > > standard 8G. > > > > > > > > > > What maximum writing speeds can I expect see with this > > > > > configuration (with either drive)? > > > > > > > > > > Also, the 25G drive seems quite a bit louder than the standard 8G. Is > > > this > > > > > normal? (Some times like a clunking sound) > > > > > > > > > > Finally, when doing Digital Audio Extraction (DAE) with the internal DVD > > > I > > > > > keep getting errors at 20 minutes 37 seconds. Is this common and is > > > > > there any way to correct this? I'm thinking about getting a Plextor > > > since > > > > > they have a good reputation for DAE. Any opinions? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, John > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Happy trails... > > > > > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > > > > > From cph Thu May 11 00:43:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA08987 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 00:43:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16314; Thu, 11 May 2000 00:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 00:41:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16188; Thu, 11 May 2000 00:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mana.pf (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16172; Thu, 11 May 2000 00:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mana.pf (202.3.225.102 -> smtp.mana.pf) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 00:41:50 -0400 Received: from vaianae (d4-126.sl.mana.pf [202.3.227.126]) by smtp.mana.pf (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA08350 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 05:43:47 -1000 Reply-To: From: "Jimmy E. Chanzi" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: LCD Screen Date: Wed, 10 May 2000 18:41:28 -1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Keith, A grand to replace a 701C LCD display! Better off buying a used 701C from eBay and use the display...Have seen some for sale, one listed right now, but don't know if it's a 701C - if you look at picture it says 701C. Item# 326837176 Jimmy From cph Thu May 11 03:18:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA09575 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 03:18:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21098; Thu, 11 May 2000 03:16:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 03:14:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20750; Thu, 11 May 2000 03:12:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA20737; Thu, 11 May 2000 03:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.35 -> out5.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 03:12:29 -0400 Received: from bsp-gmbh.com ([195.75.201.50]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <2000051107114624303iq43qe>; Thu, 11 May 2000 07:11:46 +0000 Message-ID: <391A5CED.E9689776@bsp-gmbh.com> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:10:37 +0200 From: Volker Bandke Organization: BSP GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TPA20] TP770 HD Compatible Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello Everyone, I have a TP 770 with an additional 15GB HD. I am planning to buy a TP A20p. My question - will I be able to put the TP770 HD into the A20p? I would hate to have to transfer that much of data..... With kind regards Volker Bandke (BSP GmbH) From cph Thu May 11 05:43:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA10018 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 05:43:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01998; Thu, 11 May 2000 05:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 05:34:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01892; Thu, 11 May 2000 05:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01861; Thu, 11 May 2000 05:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 05:34:05 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-60.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.60]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA11861 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 12:34:03 +0300 Message-Id: <200005110934.MAA11861@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:34:11 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <391A10C9.7296@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Is Memory Just Memory? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zc List-Unsubscribe: Me too (under OS/2), and it's great. MS has a filter that will let Word 6 convert documents between the AmiPro format and the Word 6/97 format that works surprisingly well. AmiPro included spell checking for a variety of languages out of the box, something you have to pay big bucks for in Word. And I remember AmiPro happily ran on a 386 with 4MB of RAM, which means you don't have to upgrade your hardware just for the sake of watching some silly dancing paperclip. -Dominique On Wed, 10 May 2000 at 09:45 PM you, Bruce Markowitz , said: >I still use AMI Pro >One nice thing, you don't really need to install it - you can copy the >directory, copy the ini files into C:\windows, and it works fine. From cph Thu May 11 07:55:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA10592 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 07:55:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07899; Thu, 11 May 2000 07:51:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 07:50:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07806; Thu, 11 May 2000 07:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floyd.qis.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07792; Thu, 11 May 2000 07:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from floyd.qis.net (209.150.96.22 -> floyd.qis.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 07:50:22 -0400 Received: from nimitz (pm4-balt-207.qis.net [209.150.97.207]) by floyd.qis.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id HAA06722 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 07:50:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jack Berndt" To: Subject: Battery life on the i1420 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 07:50:57 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.3825.400 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Howdy; Can someone tell me if I have a problem. I purchased a Tp i1420 and followed the instructions exactly to charge the new battery. Charging and discharging 3 times and all that. But, I can only get about 1 hour battery life. I DL'd and used the HD utility that is supposed to extend battery time but it does not seem to help. Also, is these a power cost for leaving a PCMCIA card installed all the time? Thanks Jack Berndt Program Manager Optimetrics Inc. 1 Newport Drive Suite H Forest Hill, MD 21050 Phone 410.893.9714 ext 119, FAX 410.893.9717 jberndt@postmark.net http://www.omi.com From cph Thu May 11 09:28:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA11102 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 09:28:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12653; Thu, 11 May 2000 09:24:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 09:23:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12458; Thu, 11 May 2000 09:23:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12445; Thu, 11 May 2000 09:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.111 -> pilot011.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 09:23:15 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (symposium.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.43]) by pilot011.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA30714 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 09:23:12 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000511092011.00d77800@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 09:23:43 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Battery life on the i1420 In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: One hour sounds awfully paltry to me for a 1420; my 1480 can get about 2 hours. When testing, did you turn the brightness down on the screen? I think that would be the biggest savings you can do for battery life. Yes, PCMCIA cards suck up power. Take it out after its been on for a bit and you'll feel the heat--heat that was power in the battery before the PCMCIA card used it. ;-) You might want to try several more cycles on it and see if it doesn't improve. If it doesn't, I'd call IBM. --STeve Andre' At 07:50 AM 5/11/00 -0400, Jack Berndt wrote: >Howdy; >Can someone tell me if I have a problem. I purchased a Tp i1420 and >followed the instructions exactly to charge the new battery. Charging and >discharging 3 times and all that. But, I can only get about 1 hour battery >life. I DL'd and used the HD utility that is supposed to extend battery >time but it does not seem to help. Also, is these a power cost for leaving >a PCMCIA card installed all the time? > >Thanks > > >Jack Berndt >Program Manager >Optimetrics Inc. >1 Newport Drive Suite H >Forest Hill, MD 21050 >Phone 410.893.9714 ext 119, FAX 410.893.9717 >jberndt@postmark.net >http://www.omi.com From cph Thu May 11 11:33:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12105 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 11:33:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23178; Thu, 11 May 2000 11:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 11:30:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23072; Thu, 11 May 2000 11:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23054; Thu, 11 May 2000 11:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (38.8.20.2 -> relay20.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 11:30:43 -0400 Received: from [204.215.186.11] (helo=ntmail.doble.com) by relay20.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 12puus-0004ER-00; Thu, 11 May 2000 11:30:23 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 11 May 2000 11:15:21 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'penzance@gate.net'" , R Briganti Cc: "J. Williams" , ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:15:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, USB was designed from the outset to power devices. There are pins defined to supply power. The device indicates the current it requires from the USB bus. There are power control mechanisms (like over-current protection) built into hubs. I have a modem that is powered off of the USB bus. A USB device can also be powered by a separate supply or both from the USB and separate supply. If you go to http://www.usb.org you can get copies of the USB specification. The specifications should indicate the power available. It could be the spindle motor and the write laser present too much of a load for the USB bus and a separate supply is needed. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 4:36 PM To: R Briganti Cc: J. Williams; ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar not the one i have.. i wonder if the power in the USB cable is capable of supporting a CD-RW..? R Briganti wrote: > Bill - > > Do the USB CDRs get their power from the USB? > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Morrow" > To: "J. Williams" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2000 14:43 > Subject: Re: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar > > > FWIW, there are USB CD-RW's available.. > > Sony makes one.. i got one to experiment with, but have not had time.. > > and i sold my 600E.. > > which leaves my 770Z.. > > the sony does not support w2k.. yet.. > > > > "J. Williams" wrote: > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > I'm about ready to buy a CD-RW for my 770ED. I have an Adaptec 1480a > > > (cardbus). I also have the new 25G Travelstar in it as well as the > > > standard 8G. > > > > > > What maximum writing speeds can I expect see with this > > > configuration (with either drive)? > > > > > > Also, the 25G drive seems quite a bit louder than the standard 8G. Is > this > > > normal? (Some times like a clunking sound) > > > > > > Finally, when doing Digital Audio Extraction (DAE) with the internal DVD > I > > > keep getting errors at 20 minutes 37 seconds. Is this common and is > > > there any way to correct this? I'm thinking about getting a Plextor > since > > > they have a good reputation for DAE. Any opinions? > > > > > > Thanks, John > > > > -- > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu May 11 12:04:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA12468 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 12:04:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25572; Thu, 11 May 2000 11:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 11:58:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25437; Thu, 11 May 2000 11:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25112; Thu, 11 May 2000 11:54:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (194.164.53.193) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 11:54:38 -0400 Received: by mail.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id QAA088.32; Thu, 11 May 2000 16:48:49 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:48:49 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: GPS PCMCIA card Message-ID: <20000511164849.A8821@bradnet.legend.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone here ever used a GPS PCMCIA card? Can you give details of what is available or pointers to good suppliers? -- John From cph Thu May 11 13:44:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA13385 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:44:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05860; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 13:41:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05719; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05697; Thu, 11 May 2000 13:40:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 13:40:59 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-14.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.14]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA22694 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 20:40:55 +0300 Message-Id: <200005111740.UAA22694@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:40:59 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <20000511164849.A8821@bradnet.legend.co.uk> Subject: Re: GPS PCMCIA card X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zc List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 11 May 2000 at 04:48 PM you, John Poltorak , said: >Has anyone here ever used a GPS PCMCIA card? >Can you give details of what is available or pointers to good suppliers? No, but if you're interested in a GSM phone with GPS, you may want to have a look at the Benefon Esc! (Benefon is the lesser known Finnish mobile phone manufacturer): http://www.benefon.com/TG/html/frameset/frameset.asp?Esc -Dominique From cph Thu May 11 14:06:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA13539 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:06:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07787; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 14:04:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07665; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07639; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:04:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 14:04:49 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA01914 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:04:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (pri17.dialup [152.78.68.242]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA14176 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:04:41 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005111804.TAA14176@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:11:47 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000511164849.A8821@bradnet.legend.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: GPS PCMCIA card List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA07787 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA13540 On Thu, 11 May 2000 16:48:49 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >Has anyone here ever used a GPS PCMCIA card? >Can you give details of what is available or pointers to good >suppliers? are there ANY GPS pcmcia cards? i've never seen any of them and i've only heard of GPS devices that hook to a laptop. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Thu May 11 14:06:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA13546 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:06:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07739; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 14:04:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07595; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:04:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07580; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 14:04:42 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA01910 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:04:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (pri17.dialup [152.78.68.242]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA14172 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:04:38 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005111804.TAA14172@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:11:47 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000511164849.A8821@bradnet.legend.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: GPS PCMCIA card List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA07739 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA13547 On Thu, 11 May 2000 16:48:49 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >Has anyone here ever used a GPS PCMCIA card? >Can you give details of what is available or pointers to good >suppliers? are there ANY GPS pcmcia cards? i've never seen any of them and i've only heard of GPS devices that hook to a laptop. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Thu May 11 14:24:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA13667 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:23:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09256; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 14:20:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09159; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09141; Thu, 11 May 2000 14:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU (128.196.206.226 -> exchange.optics.arizona.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 14:20:49 -0400 Received: from spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu ([150.135.52.9]) by exchange.optics.Arizona.EDU with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id KV1Z3QZ2; Thu, 11 May 2000 11:20:47 -0700 Received: from europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU [150.135.52.30]) by spectra.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA29047; Thu, 11 May 2000 11:20:46 -0700 (MST) Received: (from stu@localhost) by europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id LAA14401; Thu, 11 May 2000 11:20:45 -0700 (MST) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 11:20:45 -0700 (MST) From: Stuart Biggar Message-Id: <200005111820.LAA14401@europa.opt-sci.Arizona.EDU> To: sehh@altered.com Subject: Re: GPS PCMCIA card Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > On Thu, 11 May 2000 16:48:49 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > > >Has anyone here ever used a GPS PCMCIA card? > >Can you give details of what is available or pointers to good > >suppliers? > > are there ANY GPS pcmcia cards? i've never seen any of them and > i've only heard of GPS devices that hook to a laptop. > (I'm no expert on GPS but have used one with a notebook) Many years ago we bought a PCMCIA interfaced GPS reciever. Basically it was a Socket IO PCMCIA serial card that had a short, permanent cable to a GPS reciever. The antenna had about a 3-m cable which connected to the reciever. The reciever was from trimble or magellan (I can't remember and the card is in the field - we still use it at times). It came with a "software development kit" - basically library calls to interface with the GPS over the serial port. It also came with a Windows 3.1 (I said many years ago) program that would log position as a function of time and also set the DOS clock from the GPS. There was also a DOS version of the program Some wires broke in the PCMCIA card which we have fixed. It still works. It however is a real power pig and the software is ancient (but works fine on older notebooks we use for logging data in the field). The software also ran well under OS/2 (Warp). On an old Toshiba (386SL), the PCMCIA GPS cut battery operation time from about 2 hours to about 1! I have seen info on newer devices that include the reciever on the PCMCIA card. The antenna is on a part of the card that sticks out past the card slot(s). I have no idea how well they work or if they are also power hungry. Stuart ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Stuart F. Biggar Phone: (520) 621-8168 Remote Sensing Group FAX: (520) 621-8292 Optical Sciences Center University of Arizona Meinel Building PO Box 210094 Tucson, AZ 85721-0094 Internet: Stuart.Biggar@opt-sci.arizona.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu May 11 15:14:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA14229 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 15:14:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14372; Thu, 11 May 2000 15:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 15:12:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14272; Thu, 11 May 2000 15:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14247; Thu, 11 May 2000 15:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 15:12:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA30175; Thu, 11 May 2000 12:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 12:21:31 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: GPS PCMCIA card In-Reply-To: <200005111804.TAA14176@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA14230 DeLorme has very good mapping software for the PC and also sells/supports a GPS device that can be hooked up to a laptop. (Then again, does it make ANY sense to hook a GPS up to a non-mobile desktop computer???) I believe the URL is: http://www.delorme.com -- David Goldman On Thu, 11 May 2000, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:11:47 +0100 (BST) > From: sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. > To: thinkpad > Subject: Re: GPS PCMCIA card > > On Thu, 11 May 2000 16:48:49 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > > >Has anyone here ever used a GPS PCMCIA card? > >Can you give details of what is available or pointers to good > >suppliers? > > are there ANY GPS pcmcia cards? i've never seen any of them and > i've only heard of GPS devices that hook to a laptop. > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > > From cph Thu May 11 17:06:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA15224 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 17:06:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22644; Thu, 11 May 2000 17:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 16:59:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22514; Thu, 11 May 2000 16:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22334; Thu, 11 May 2000 16:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bradnet.legend.co.uk (194.164.53.193) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 16:55:37 -0400 Received: by mail.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.03/2.0) id VAA091.74; Thu, 11 May 2000 21:52:06 +0100 Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:52:06 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: GPS PCMCIA card Message-ID: <20000511215206.B8821@bradnet.legend.co.uk> References: <20000511164849.A8821@bradnet.legend.co.uk> <200005111804.TAA14172@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: <200005111804.TAA14172@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk>; from sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. on Thu, May 11, 2000 at 07:11:47PM +0100 X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id RAA22644 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA15225 On Thu, May 11, 2000 at 07:11:47PM +0100, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > On Thu, 11 May 2000 16:48:49 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > > >Has anyone here ever used a GPS PCMCIA card? > >Can you give details of what is available or pointers to good > >suppliers? > > are there ANY GPS pcmcia cards? i've never seen any of them and > i've only heard of GPS devices that hook to a laptop. I have spent all day looking for them and there seem to be quite a few... Among those I tracked down are the Marco Polo, Fugawi Crux, Trimble Pathfinder. A search on google.com for gps & pcmcia found over 4000 hits! Unfortunately I have yet to come across anything which explicitly mentions OS/2 drivers... but I'm wondering whether any DOS drivers would work under OS/2, or even if the generic pcmcia serial card drivers include with OS/2 might work with one of these as they attempt to work like a coms port. Have you ever attempted writing an OS/2 PCMCIA driver? > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > -- John From cph Thu May 11 17:52:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA15571 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 17:52:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25837; Thu, 11 May 2000 17:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 17:50:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25742; Thu, 11 May 2000 17:50:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25725; Thu, 11 May 2000 17:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 17:50:46 -0400 Received: from dallas (quincy-ip-8-71.dynamic.ziplink.net [209.206.35.71]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA20206 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 17:50:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: GPS PCMCIA card Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:50:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfbb92$f91908d0$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id RAA25837 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA15572 Actually, it makes a lot of sense for certain applications. You can keep the clock on your computer very accurate without need of an internet connection. :) Some industrial computers I've dealt with hook up to an external port which plugs into a GPS unit, from which timing is derived. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: David Goldman [mailto:dgoldman@dgoldman.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 3:22 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: GPS PCMCIA card > > > DeLorme has very good mapping software for the PC and also sells/supports > a GPS device that can be hooked up to a laptop. (Then again, does it make > ANY sense to hook a GPS up to a non-mobile desktop computer???) > > I believe the URL is: http://www.delorme.com > > -- > David Goldman > > > On Thu, 11 May 2000, sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > > > Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:11:47 +0100 (BST) > > From: sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. > > To: thinkpad > > Subject: Re: GPS PCMCIA card > > > > On Thu, 11 May 2000 16:48:49 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > > > > >Has anyone here ever used a GPS PCMCIA card? > > >Can you give details of what is available or pointers to good > > >suppliers? > > > > are there ANY GPS pcmcia cards? i've never seen any of them and > > i've only heard of GPS devices that hook to a laptop. > > > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > > > > > > From cph Thu May 11 18:03:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA15633 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:03:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26565; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 18:00:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26427; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26411; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 18:00:36 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA05937 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:00:34 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (sehh@pri07.dialup [152.78.68.232]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA16838 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:00:32 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005112200.XAA16838@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:08:02 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000511215206.B8821@bradnet.legend.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: GPS PCMCIA card List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id SAA26565 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA15634 On Thu, 11 May 2000 21:52:06 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >I have spent all day looking for them and there seem to be quite a few... >Among those I tracked down are the Marco Polo, Fugawi Crux, Trimble >Pathfinder. >A search on google.com for gps & pcmcia found over 4000 hits! I tryed google, and also the http://www.delorme.com which David mentioned, but i'd only buy something thats 'pcmcia' only, and not some bulky external device. (or atleast something very small that connects to pcmcia) I'll have a look around.. maybe i can find something... >Unfortunately I have yet to come across anything which explicitly >mentions OS/2 drivers... but I'm wondering whether any DOS drivers >would work under OS/2, or even if the generic pcmcia serial card >drivers include with OS/2 might work with one of these as they >attempt to work like a coms port. >Have you ever attempted writing an OS/2 PCMCIA driver? OS/2 drivers would be the first thing to check. I've taken a look at www.premierelect.co.uk who have a PCMCIA GPS card (no external device), and since they are based in the UK i'll email them and ask if they have OS/2 drivers, or if the base PCMCIA ones can do the job. To tell the truth, i'm not interested in the GPS to do my job, but actualy to play :] þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Thu May 11 18:23:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA15779 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:23:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27867; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 18:21:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27776; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:21:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27761; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 18:21:48 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA06282 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:21:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (sehh@pri07.dialup [152.78.68.232]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA17052 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:21:45 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005112221.XAA17052@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:29:16 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: PCMCIA GPS List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id SAA27867 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA15780 Apparently all the PCMCIA GPS cards that i found support the GPS NMEA 0183 protocol for communication. So theoreticaly all software that support this protocol should work with all those cards. If we could find Linux software i can try to port it to OS/2, should be easier than writting from scratch. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Thu May 11 18:36:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA15860 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:36:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28915; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 18:35:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28840; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28827; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 18:35:18 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA06427 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:35:16 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (sehh@pri07.dialup [152.78.68.232]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA17160 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:35:15 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005112235.XAA17160@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 23:42:46 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: GPS alternative List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id SAA28915 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA15861 well i'm having second thoughts, the prices of the PCMCIA GPS cards are around the $600 range.. since i'd like one of those for fun to play with, its not something that i'd buy. but, a nice alternative would be a small GPS device that connects to the serial port of the laptop! I've found the Garmin GPS 35 reciever which has Java and plain C code to communicate with! (plus a linux daemon that can be ported to OS/2). PS: Garmin devices are sold from: http://www.lowe.co.uk þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Thu May 11 19:08:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA16071 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:08:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00886; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 19:07:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00801; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00787; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (216.100.248.113 -> adsl-216-100-248-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 19:07:16 -0400 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp4.cinnamon.com [192.0.2.132]) by cinnamon.com (8.8.8/8.6.12) with ESMTP id QAA20370 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 16:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <391B3CE1.51E9D312@ricochet.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:06:09 -0700 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: Re: GPS PCMCIA card References: <200005112200.XAA16838@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a DeLorme Earthmate, a little yellow jobbie about the size of a palm pilot. Nice and small. Connects to the serial port.... It has a long cable so that you can put the reciever in a place where it can better see the satellites... I'd guess that a PCMCIA device would need an antenna sticking up.... andy From cph Thu May 11 19:38:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA16237 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:38:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02817; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 19:36:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02724; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:36:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02703; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:36:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 19:36:37 -0400 Received: from uniblab (uniblab [146.88.9.146]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA11122 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 17:36:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001701bfbba1$bac71040$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: "thinkpad" References: <200005112200.XAA16838@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: GPS PCMCIA card Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:36:27 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: A fully internal PCMCIA unit might be tricky. The internal clock oscillator has to be adjusted for temperature, and the temperature of PCMCIA slots can vary quite a bit. Cards in my Toshiba used to run quite hot, but in this ThinkPad they stay pretty cool. Bob From cph Thu May 11 19:40:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA16271 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:40:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03040; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 19:39:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02967; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02954; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 19:39:04 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.2.194]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000511233858.RUFS27191.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:38:58 +0000 Message-ID: <391B44AD.7AE5@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:39:25 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: GPS alternative References: <200005112235.XAA17160@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id TAA03040 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA16272 The Tripmate by DeLorme costs $150 with the software, plugs into the serial port, and works very very well! sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > > well i'm having second thoughts, the prices of the PCMCIA GPS cards > are around the $600 range.. since i'd like one of those for fun to play with, > its not something that i'd buy. > > but, a nice alternative would be a small GPS device that connects to the > serial port of the laptop! I've found the Garmin GPS 35 reciever which > has Java and plain C code to communicate with! (plus a linux daemon > that can be ported to OS/2). > > PS: > Garmin devices are sold from: http://www.lowe.co.uk > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Thu May 11 19:44:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA16307 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:44:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03425; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 19:43:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03352; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03339; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 19:43:01 -0400 Received: from uniblab (uniblab [146.88.9.146]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA12071 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 17:42:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002d01bfbba2$a63a5500$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: "thinkpad" References: <200005112235.XAA17160@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: GPS alternative Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 17:43:03 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id TAA03425 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA16308 A good site for all things GPS is at http://joe.mehaffey.com/ There are a lot of programs for talking to GPS's. Garmin's are good stuff. The 12XL models are pretty popular. I have a 12CX. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 16:42 Subject: GPS alternative > well i'm having second thoughts, the prices of the PCMCIA GPS cards > are around the $600 range.. since i'd like one of those for fun to play with, > its not something that i'd buy. > > but, a nice alternative would be a small GPS device that connects to the > serial port of the laptop! I've found the Garmin GPS 35 reciever which > has Java and plain C code to communicate with! (plus a linux daemon > that can be ported to OS/2). > > PS: > Garmin devices are sold from: http://www.lowe.co.uk > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > > From cph Thu May 11 20:51:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA16739 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 20:51:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07566; Thu, 11 May 2000 20:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 20:49:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07399; Thu, 11 May 2000 20:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07385; Thu, 11 May 2000 20:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 20:49:36 -0400 Received: from tricent (ssh.cisco.com [171.69.10.34]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA23089 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 17:49:34 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tony Rice" To: "thinkpad" Subject: RE: GPS alternative Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 20:49:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <391B44AD.7AE5@worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id UAA07566 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id UAA16740 I use the Earthmate, the updated version of the Tripmate, which runs about the same price. It pretty impressive for $150 but the Streets and Trips software is very unimpressive. It comes up with some of the most bizzare routes when but this can be overcome by setting some "via"'s manually. The voice navigation is very nice too, it announces turns as you are coming up to them. The only downside to the unit itself is that it eats batteries (be sure to disconnect it from your COM port when not in use) and from what I understand, it uses a proprietary protocol so it wont work with any other software. Still a very good product for $150. Sony also has something out in the $300 with far better software. Now if I can just find a good way to strap my TP into the passenger seat so it doesn't slide about. > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Markowitz [mailto:scosgt@worldnet.att.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 7:39 PM > To: sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. > Cc: thinkpad > Subject: Re: GPS alternative > > > The Tripmate by DeLorme costs $150 with the software, plugs into the > serial port, and works very very well! > > sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: > > > > well i'm having second thoughts, the prices of the PCMCIA GPS cards > > are around the $600 range.. since i'd like one of those for fun > to play with, > > its not something that i'd buy. > > > > but, a nice alternative would be a small GPS device that connects to the > > serial port of the laptop! I've found the Garmin GPS 35 reciever which > > has Java and plain C code to communicate with! (plus a linux daemon > > that can be ported to OS/2). > > > > PS: > > Garmin devices are sold from: http://www.lowe.co.uk > > > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > > From cph Thu May 11 21:12:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA16856 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 21:12:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08913; Thu, 11 May 2000 21:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 21:10:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08820; Thu, 11 May 2000 21:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08791; Thu, 11 May 2000 21:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.241.17 -> f17.law8.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 21:10:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 19795 invoked by uid 0); 12 May 2000 01:10:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20000512011027.19794.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 12.77.27.44 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 11 May 2000 18:10:27 PDT X-Originating-IP: [12.77.27.44] From: "Geoff Waters" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Please remind me how to unsubscribe from this list Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:10:27 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: See title. Thanks /Geoff ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From cph Thu May 11 21:42:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA17084 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 21:42:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10798; Thu, 11 May 2000 21:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 21:40:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10717; Thu, 11 May 2000 21:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10704; Thu, 11 May 2000 21:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 21:40:15 -0400 Received: from tp466 ([12.79.42.205]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000512014013.NZTS4781.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@tp466>; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:40:13 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01bfbbcc$38090160$cd2a4f0c@tp466> From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" References: <200005112235.XAA17160@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: Re: GPS alternative Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:40:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id VAA10798 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id VAA17085 I've used the Delorme Tripmate (their older unit) that connects to the notebook via a serial port. When used with Street Atlas it made for a nice combination. Note that the newer Earthmate has a non standard output. BUT, it's a bit awkward to use a notebook in an auto, unless you have a lot of room in the cabin, and a co-pilot. If you get a medium price standalone GPS with a data out, you can connect it to the notebook serial port when you want, and have a nice standalone GPS when you don't. You can prepare routes and waypoints using Street Atlas and download them to the Garmin. I have a Garmin GPS II Plus, an older model. Monochrome display, and no built in maps, but otherwise full-featured. I made a homemade mount that goes on top of the dashboard, right behind the steering wheel, and directly in my line of sight while driving. It is so functional that I have not connected the unit to my laptop in quite some time. The mount uses thick foam padding material and the GPS is "sandwiched" between the padding and is held in by friction. Would not work in rough off road conditions! Have yet to hit the bump that will knock it loose. I also have a magnetic mount external antenna, highly recommended! This is a Garmin "mount it inside the windshield with suction cups" antenna, modified for magnetic mount. The mod was fun - I got self adhesive velcro strips, and the magnetic strip material used for magnetic business cards. Put velcro on the antenna, and velcro on the magnetic material. Velcroed the magnet to the antenna, and had a magnetic mount. If I want to mount the antenna in some other way I can prepare a velcro base for it and just stick it where I want it. Finally, civilian GPS has historically had intentional reduced accuracy, called Selective Availability, or SA. This has recently been eliminated, and our GPS's are quite noticeably more accurate! jim ----- Original Message ----- From: sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. To: thinkpad Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 3:42 PM Subject: GPS alternative well i'm having second thoughts, the prices of the PCMCIA GPS cards are around the $600 range.. since i'd like one of those for fun to play with, its not something that i'd buy. but, a nice alternative would be a small GPS device that connects to the serial port of the laptop! I've found the Garmin GPS 35 reciever which has Java and plain C code to communicate with! (plus a linux daemon that can be ported to OS/2). PS: Garmin devices are sold from: http://www.lowe.co.uk þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ ----- Original Message ----- From: sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. To: thinkpad Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 3:42 PM Subject: GPS alternative well i'm having second thoughts, the prices of the PCMCIA GPS cards are around the $600 range.. since i'd like one of those for fun to play with, its not something that i'd buy. but, a nice alternative would be a small GPS device that connects to the serial port of the laptop! I've found the Garmin GPS 35 reciever which has Java and plain C code to communicate with! (plus a linux daemon that can be ported to OS/2). PS: Garmin devices are sold from: http://www.lowe.co.uk þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Thu May 11 22:28:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA17413 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:28:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13183; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:27:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 22:26:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13057; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13037; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 22:26:22 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA08702 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 03:26:20 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (pri19.dialup [152.78.68.244]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA18816 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 03:26:19 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005120226.DAA18816@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 03:22:41 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: GPS alternative List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id WAA13183 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA17414 On Thu, 11 May 2000 20:49:34 -0400, Tony Rice wrote: >Now if I can just find a good way to strap my TP into the passenger seat so >it doesn't slide about. Actualy there is a laptop base with a mechanic 'arm', which grabs the laptop and holds it for you, it mounts on any sourface. I've seen it used and also advertised in some magazines but i've no idea where you can buy it. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Thu May 11 22:33:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA17436 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:33:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13696; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 22:31:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13622; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:31:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13609; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:31:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (207.181.194.95 -> atlas.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 22:31:55 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by atlas.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA22830 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from think2k (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA20591 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:31:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01d701bfbbba$63487f70$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Enough on GPS!!!! Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 19:32:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Please stop this GPS thread. Now! This is a ThinkPad list and there was a tenuous connection at the start but no longer. Thanks. David -- David Taylor, Detayls From cph Thu May 11 22:41:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA17489 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:41:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14296; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 22:39:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14208; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:39:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14194; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 22:39:27 -0400 Received: from tp466 ([12.79.42.205]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000512023926.RXLP9011.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@tp466>; Fri, 12 May 2000 02:39:26 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01bfbbd4$7d821080$cd2a4f0c@tp466> From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: "David W. Taylor" , "ThinkPad List" References: <01d701bfbbba$63487f70$0311a8c0@detayls.com> Subject: Re: Enough on GPS!!!! Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 22:39:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Go change your knickers, Taylor, and lighten up. ----- Original Message ----- From: David W. Taylor To: ThinkPad List Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 7:32 PM Subject: Enough on GPS!!!! > Please stop this GPS thread. Now! > > This is a ThinkPad list and there was a tenuous connection at the start but > no longer. > > Thanks. > > David > -- > David Taylor, Detayls > > > From cph Thu May 11 22:54:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA17556 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:54:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15387; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 22:52:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15303; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europe.std.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15265; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europe.std.com (199.172.62.20 -> europe.std.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 22:52:51 -0400 Received: from world.std.com (root@world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA21951 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ieee.org (ppp0a120.std.com [208.192.100.120]) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA02192 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:51:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391B71E0.44A5C44@ieee.org> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 22:52:16 -0400 From: Don Markuson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: A20/T20 Modem / Modem+Ether and linux References: <200005112235.XAA17160@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <000e01bfbbcc$38090160$cd2a4f0c@tp466> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone know if the modem or modem+ether (Etherjet or 3Com) mini-PCI cards offered on the new A20/T20 stand a chance of Linux support? The MWAVE modems in IBM's previous models were certainly a disappointment in this department. Is the modem on these cards a "software"-driven modem (i.e. WinModem) or the "real thing" not requiring special proprietary software? ..DMM From cph Thu May 11 23:34:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA17704 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:34:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17539; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 23:32:27 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17424; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 23:32:27 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id XAA04719 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01081; Thu, 11 May 2000 19:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.121 -> web120.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 19:09:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 26687 invoked by uid 60001); 11 May 2000 23:09:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000511230924.26686.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.225.68] by web120.yahoomail.com; Thu, 11 May 2000 16:09:24 PDT Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 16:09:24 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: GPS PCMCIA card To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I have one of the DeLorme external units, the yellow one that connects to the laptop with a serial cable. It works pretty well but life of the 9 volt battery is not very long so it isn't good on long trips without the external power adapter. Also it won't receive through my glass sunroof, I have to put it on top of the car when going on trips. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu May 11 23:51:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA17786 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:51:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18553; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 11 May 2000 23:48:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18476; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.goldengate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18461; Thu, 11 May 2000 23:48:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from main.goldengate.net (206.8.8.3 -> main.goldengate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 11 May 2000 23:48:38 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (bigdog-162-21.goldengate.net [216.250.162.21]) by main.goldengate.net (8.8.7/8.7.2) with SMTP id WAA03652 for ; Thu, 11 May 2000 22:48:36 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200005120348.WAA03652@main.goldengate.net> Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 21:47:31 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01d701bfbbba$63487f70$0311a8c0@detayls.com> Subject: Re: Enough on GPS!!!! X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.52 b52 List-Unsubscribe: In <01d701bfbbba$63487f70$0311a8c0@detayls.com>, on 05/11/00 at 09:47 PM, "David W. Taylor" said: >Please stop this GPS thread. Now! >This is a ThinkPad list and there was a tenuous connection at the start >but no longer. >Thanks. >David >-- >David Taylor, Detayls > It all seems to be related to using and buying a GPS for use with a thinkpad. A subject of interest to me and at least a few others. First thread I've followed with great interest in awhile. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- skunberg@goldengate.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri May 12 01:39:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA18300 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:39:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23427; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 01:35:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23228; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraac.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23215; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraac.compuserve.com (149.174.206.154 -> ds-img-rel-3.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 01:35:28 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id BAA17526 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-gbz-vty10.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-gbz-vty10.as.wcom.net [216.192.159.10]) by spdmraac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA17510 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 11 May 2000 14:30:30 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.42c) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <3518235627.20000511143030@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: With the original Win95 preload and an Adaptec 1460A, I was able to burn CD-Rs at 4X with my Yamaha 4x4x?? CR-R/CD-RW/CD-ROM drive. Now, I've got Win98SE installed, and I can reliably create coasters at 4X and have to drop back to 2X. It's looking like something grabs the machine every now and then for several seconds. Long enough to be slightly irritating as I work. Long enough to run out of buffer space in the Yamaha at 4X speed. Looking at WINTOP, I see MSDTCW.EXE that I don't recall having seen before. The version information claims that it is the "Microsoft Distributed Transaction Coordinator" at Product Version 02.00.00.543 and File Version 1998.01.543.0. Any ideas on how I can get 4X to work reliably again? Thanks! Ron. From cph Fri May 12 01:58:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA18386 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:58:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24340; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 01:56:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24265; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraac.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA24251; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:56:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraac.compuserve.com (149.174.206.154 -> ds-img-rel-3.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 01:56:42 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id BAA20062 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-gur-vty6.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-gur-vty6.as.wcom.net [216.192.139.6]) by spdmraac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA20048 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 01:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 00:56:18 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.42c) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <401621935.20000512005618@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: GPS alternative In-reply-To: <391B44AD.7AE5@worldnet.att.net> References: <200005112235.XAA17160@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <391B44AD.7AE5@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thursday, May 11, 2000, 6:39:25 PM, Bruce wrote: > The Tripmate by DeLorme costs $150 with the software, plugs into the > serial port, and works very very well! Rand McNally has a similar unit. With SteetFinder Deluxe software, it's retail price is under $100. It puts out standard NMEA records to an RS-232 port on the PC. Make sure that whatever unit you buy puts out standard data format. The Rand unit is available in their stores, on their Web site, and (I think) at Best Buy stores. I think you can get *just* the GPS unit without StreetFinder for under $80, for those who "already have StreetFinder". BTW, the unit also works with Rand's TripMaker software. The unit gets its power from the mouse port on the PC. I've used it with my ThinkPad on trips from Chicago to Detroit using the TripMaker software, and around Chicago using the StreetFinder software. Way cool. I've also looked at the NMEA data records. They are ASCII text, and the really useful stuff is fairly easy to figure out. It's only the relatively obscure stuff (like how many satellites are in view, which ones, and what's their signal strength) that is difficult to figure out. Just start up something like Kermit and capture the data coming into the PC serial port. If I recall correctly, it's a 4800 bps data stream. I believe that each record is CR/LF terminated. Have fun! Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. iQA/AwUBORuc528pw+2/9pUJEQIS9QCfd6Nvyqlo0ZkLz9V/YfT2w68KyRYAoJ79 tqGRKvFLy8iGeJkOe0xpyKO6 =++Hx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Fri May 12 08:51:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA20147 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:51:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19443; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 08:47:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19267; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19254; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.51.39 -> mosquito.ny.ans.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 08:47:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (bkomar@localhost) by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.8.5/8.8.3) with ESMTP id IAA01203; Fri, 12 May 2000 08:47:44 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 08:47:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: Geoff Waters cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Please remind me how to unsubscribe from this list In-Reply-To: <20000512011027.19794.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 11 May 2000, Geoff Waters wrote: > See title. Thanks /Geoff > In order to List-Unsubscribe: mailto:thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu Subject=unsubscribe Have a nice day, Brucd Komar From cph Fri May 12 09:31:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA20348 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:31:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24384; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 09:29:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24147; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:29:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24125; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 09:29:21 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA22052 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:29:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (pri09.dialup [152.78.68.234]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA27712 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:29:18 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005121329.OAA27712@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:36:50 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <391B71E0.44A5C44@ieee.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: A20/T20 Modem / Modem+Ether and linux List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id JAA24384 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA20349 On Thu, 11 May 2000 22:52:16 -0400, Don Markuson wrote: >Anyone know if the modem or modem+ether (Etherjet or 3Com) mini-PCI >cards offered on the new A20/T20 stand a chance of Linux support? >The MWAVE modems in IBM's previous models were certainly a >disappointment in this department. yes i agree with that.. mwave was a total disapointment... >Is the modem on these cards a "software"-driven modem (i.e. WinModem) >or the "real thing" not requiring special proprietary software? i think a PCMCIA card which is a modem will work on any operating system, since they use a universal protocol and work everywhere. A combo modem+ethernet would be a good choice too. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Fri May 12 09:31:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA20355 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:31:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24391; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:29:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 09:29:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24188; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24163; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:29:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 09:29:30 -0400 Received: from tricent (ssh.cisco.com [171.69.10.34]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA19112 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 06:29:28 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tony Rice" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: GPS PCMCIA card Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:29:28 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000511230924.26686.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: DeLorme also sells a cable that allows you to pull power for the GPS off your keyboard port. Anyone used one of these with a TP? I'd be curious to see what it does to your TP battery life. > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve C. [mailto:stevec50@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 7:09 PM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: GPS PCMCIA card > > > I have one of the DeLorme external units, the yellow > one that connects to the laptop with a serial cable. > It works pretty well but life of the 9 volt battery is > not very long so it isn't good on long trips without > the external power adapter. Also it won't receive > through my glass sunroof, I have to put it on top of > the car when going on trips. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > From cph Fri May 12 09:41:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA20387 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:41:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25353; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 09:39:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25264; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25250; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (147.160.207.10 -> tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 09:39:08 -0400 Received: from mwl [10.1.2.71] by tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (SMTPD32-6.00) id A892B4EF0122; Fri, 12 May 2000 09:35:14 -0400 Message-ID: <018901bfbc30$50370b60$4702010a@blwd.k12.pa.us> From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: "ThinkPad" Subject: Microdrive and the 730T Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:37:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I was wondering if the 340mb Microdrive from IBM would be compatible with the 730T/TE? I have this quirky idea to use the 730 with a car docking station, portable zip drive and Delorme GPS. Any thoughts? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Progress is man's ability to complicate simplicity Mike Lingenfelter Bellwood-Antis School District Science Department Chairperson work # 814-742-2280 x-4209 home# 814-941-0141 personal email mlingen@attglobal.net personal web http://pws.prserv.net/usinet.mlingen/usinet.mlingen From cph Fri May 12 10:19:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA20668 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:19:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00821; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 10:17:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00689; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00660; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 10:17:06 -0400 Received: from 209-122-243-13.s13.tnt1.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.243.13] helo=ppro) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qGFT-0003gr-00; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:17:04 -0400 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:09:25 -0400 Message-ID: <060601bfbc1b$a533fd90$0d00a8c0@dec5200> From: "R Briganti" To: "Tony Rice" , "Thinkpad" References: Subject: Re: GPS PCMCIA card Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 10:09:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: I've used the power adapter with several 7xx series ThinkPads and it works quite well. I've only used it while drawing power from a 12v adapter so I can't say what it does to battery life, but since it also runs off a 9v dry cell I can't imagine that the draw is substantial. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Rice" To: "Thinkpad" Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 09:29 Subject: RE: GPS PCMCIA card > DeLorme also sells a cable that allows you to pull power for the GPS off > your keyboard port. Anyone used one of these with a TP? I'd be curious to > see what it does to your TP battery life. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve C. [mailto:stevec50@yahoo.com] > > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 7:09 PM > > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: GPS PCMCIA card > > > > > > I have one of the DeLorme external units, the yellow > > one that connects to the laptop with a serial cable. > > It works pretty well but life of the 9 volt battery is > > not very long so it isn't good on long trips without > > the external power adapter. Also it won't receive > > through my glass sunroof, I have to put it on top of > > the car when going on trips. > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. > > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > > > > > From cph Fri May 12 10:26:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA20738 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:26:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01521; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 10:24:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01430; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01413; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.141 -> mta3.snfc21.pbi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 10:24:38 -0400 Received: from dan ([206.171.36.72]) by mta3.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with SMTP id <0FUG00F86AN9D7@mta3.snfc21.pbi.net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 12 May 2000 07:23:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:23:17 -0700 From: Dan Galender Subject: Low Battery Indicator To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) List-Unsubscribe: When I got my 770Z with Windows 98 pre-loaded on it, it would warn me when I had only around 5 minutes of battery life left. I recently loaded Windows 98 Second Edition into a empty partition, and the app that put out the warning is no longer running on the system. Anyone know of a way to get it back (short of reloading the recovery CD)? Thanks in advance. -Dan Galender From cph Fri May 12 10:49:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA20886 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:49:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04460; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 10:47:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04387; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04374; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:47:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.teleport.com (192.108.254.43 -> mail2.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 10:47:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 7885 invoked from network); 12 May 2000 14:47:48 -0000 Received: from i48-14-24.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.5.88) by mail2.teleport.com with SMTP; 12 May 2000 14:47:48 -0000 Message-ID: <391C19F1.5083D9F4@teleport.com> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:49:21 -0700 From: Bryan Daum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Keith @ LavaNet" CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: LCD screen fixers? References: <00a301bfbaf3$91c9bd40$fcf71eac@PDIMAGE> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have been watching Ebay and have found 701C's going for $350 or less. Parts machines go for less than a hundred....lcd's themselves often listed and sold -for about a hundred, as I recall. Bryan 701C -now a little desktop with a broken hinge. From cph Fri May 12 10:53:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA20936 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:53:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04915; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 10:52:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04841; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04823; Fri, 12 May 2000 10:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 10:52:01 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA76605; Fri, 12 May 2000 07:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from think2k (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA31725; Fri, 12 May 2000 07:51:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003401bfbc21$c56b4ef0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Dan Galender" , References: Subject: Re: Low Battery Indicator Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 07:53:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Dan, You need to reload the ThinkPad Utilities for Windows 98 and possibly update your BIOS. Go to the IBM ThinkPad web site and get all the software you need. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan Galender" To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 7:23 AM Subject: Low Battery Indicator > When I got my 770Z with Windows 98 pre-loaded on it, it would warn me when I > had only around 5 minutes of battery life left. > > I recently loaded Windows 98 Second Edition into a empty partition, and the > app that put out the warning is no longer running on the system. Anyone > know of a way to get it back (short of reloading the recovery CD)? > > Thanks in advance. > > > -Dan Galender > > From cph Fri May 12 12:12:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21762 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:12:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11417; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 12:11:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11344; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11331; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (38.8.20.2 -> relay20.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 12:11:14 -0400 Received: from [204.215.186.11] (helo=ntmail.doble.com) by relay20.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 12qI1s-0002B9-00; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:11:10 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:12:32 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad and GPS (Garmin, Tripmate, Earthmate, etc). Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:12:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I have and used several GPS units with my Thinkpad 365ED. I have to use the seatbelt to hold it in place. Delorme sells a Jotto Desk which is a laptop platform that appears to attach to the floor (or side) on the passenger side and holds the laptop. I wonder if it is illegal in some states to have a laptop installed like that. Another good GPS web site is: http://vancouver-webpages.com/pub/peter/index.html I did buy a 5 channel PCMCIA card receiver several years ago. The problem is I had to use the cable and magnetic mount to get a fix as the laptop was too noisy or blocked the signal. The card emulates a serial port. In general the newer 12 channel units are alot better than the old 5 or 8 channel units. The Tripmate ( http://vancouver-webpages.com/pub/peter/tripmate.faq ) will output NMEA but you need a little trick to get it to output NMEA. It is really meant to work with Delorme products. So to really prevent people using it with other products Delorme went to the Earthmate which outputs Rockwell binary code. They both use the Rockwell Zodiac chipset. I think the Rand McNally one uses the Zodiac chipset as well. I got the laptop power kit but have not used it yet. I tend to use the Garmin 12xl these days as it has a display and I use it out of the car as well. I had it several years and there are newer units out with more features like built-in and/or downloadable maps. While the PCMCIA solution looks neat I would go with a external unit with a serial cable. It is more flexible. I bought the PCMCIA one because it was neat and cheap. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU From cph Fri May 12 12:14:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21787 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:14:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11715; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 12:13:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11642; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11629; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 12:13:57 -0400 Received: from 207-172-211-141.s141.tnt3.nrf.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.211.141] helo=donpc.baydesign.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qI4Z-0001kx-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:13:56 -0400 Received: by donpc.baydesign.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BFBC0A.DBC9E600@donpc.baydesign.com>; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:09:01 -0400 Message-ID: <01BFBC0A.DBC9E600@donpc.baydesign.com> From: "Don D'Amato" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: help me decide. T20 vs. a20p? Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:08:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA21788 i've placed an order for the t20 (expected ship date 5/26) but i am still debating. any input would be most appreciated. do you think the a20p's higher screen res and 16-meg video is worth lugging around the larger footprint and an extra 2.5 pounds? anyone have experience with the 1400x1024 resolution? does it make text too small for comfortable reading? will images look substantially better? for everyday business applications, internet clients, and occasional games and image processing stuff, will i really notice an improvement over 1024x768? how about the build quality of both machines? the t20 is the replacement for the 600 series which was very well-constructed - but is it safe to assume the t20 will equal the fit and feel of the 600x? the a20p seems a little clunky from what i've seen/read of it. thanks in advance. From cph Fri May 12 12:50:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA22155 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:50:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14952; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 12:48:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14830; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14817; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 12:48:28 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA20042; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:48:27 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA09338; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000512094111.00bed6b0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:43:40 -0700 To: "Cottrell, Eric" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Thinkpad and GPS (Garmin, Tripmate, Earthmate, etc). In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 12:12 PM 05/12/2000 -0400, you wrote: >In general the newer 12 channel units are alot better than >the old 5 or 8 channel units. More importantly is the ability for the newer units to track these satellites simultaneously in parallel (12 at a time--which is all that is visible at any given time), rather than multiplexing serially through a limited number of others. My Garmin GPS III has been invaluable with all the travelling I do, and hooked to my TP with Street Atlas USA, it has saved my bacon a number of times. - Randy From cph Fri May 12 14:17:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA22966 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:17:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22573; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 14:13:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22429; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22402; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 14:13:45 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA00631 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:13:42 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (pri18.dialup [152.78.68.243]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA02469 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:13:41 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005121813.TAA02469@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 19:21:15 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Xricom and OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA22573 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA22967 I bought a nice Xircom Realport PCMCIA card from Mark Gardiner (Thanks!), which is a modem 56k, a 10/100 ethernet and supports mobile phone connection and ISDN. I installed it and OS/2 detected it fine! Both modem and ethernet work great (at both 10 and 100 speeds). Just wanted to say how nice this Xircom card is :] þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Fri May 12 14:21:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA22983 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:21:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23215; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 14:19:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23138; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from u2.farm.idt.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23123; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from u2.farm.idt.net (169.132.8.11 -> u2.farm.idt.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 14:19:52 -0400 Received: from Thinkpad (ppp-17.ts-3-bay.hck.idt.net [169.132.56.113]) by u2.farm.idt.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA01336 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 14:19:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "A Kumar" To: "List Thinkpad" Subject: RE: Thinkpad and GPS (Garmin, Tripmate, Earthmate, etc). Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:15:38 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000512094111.00bed6b0@pop3.iceka1.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Which GPS software is the best. I was looking for something that does route recalculation if you get lost and supports NMEA. From what I can tell the best program is co-pilot 2000, but doesn't seem like it supports NMEA recivers (please tell me I'm wrong). Does Street Atlas or SteetFinder Deluxe do route recalculation? -----Original Message----- From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 12:44 PM To: Cottrell, Eric; TP List Subject: Re: Thinkpad and GPS (Garmin, Tripmate, Earthmate, etc). At 12:12 PM 05/12/2000 -0400, you wrote: >In general the newer 12 channel units are alot better than >the old 5 or 8 channel units. More importantly is the ability for the newer units to track these satellites simultaneously in parallel (12 at a time--which is all that is visible at any given time), rather than multiplexing serially through a limited number of others. My Garmin GPS III has been invaluable with all the travelling I do, and hooked to my TP with Street Atlas USA, it has saved my bacon a number of times. - Randy From cph Fri May 12 15:15:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA23520 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:15:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28350; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 15:13:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28269; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28251; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 15:13:26 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id PAA03732; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:13:24 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA02380; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000512120717.00be57c0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:08:49 -0700 To: "A Kumar" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: Thinkpad and GPS (Garmin, Tripmate, Earthmate, etc). In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000512094111.00bed6b0@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 02:15 PM 05/12/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Which GPS software is the best. I was looking for something that does route >recalculation if you get lost and supports NMEA. From what I can tell the >best program is co-pilot 2000, but doesn't seem like it supports NMEA >recivers (please tell me I'm wrong). Does Street Atlas or SteetFinder >Deluxe do route recalculation? Street Atlas allows you to pick start & finish points and it calculates fastest, shortest, and scenic routes. I tried Street Finder and didn't like it much. - Randy From cph Fri May 12 15:31:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA23636 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:31:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29685; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 15:29:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29591; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29564; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.33 -> hnlmail1.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 15:28:48 -0400 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.228.143]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Fri, 12 May 2000 09:28:44 -1000 Message-ID: <002101bfbc48$746c8740$8fe41918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: References: <01BFBC0A.DBC9E600@donpc.baydesign.com> Subject: Re: help me decide. T20 vs. a20p? Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 09:29:54 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: --Hi there Don, it sounds to me that you're looking for a lightweight mobile system and not a secondary/mobile workstation. I think if you're going to be doing mostly word processing and using general business applications then the T20 is more than fine. If you're going to be doing graphic and design work then the A20 is probably a better choice as it can rival some desktops for video performance. I believe the T20 has an ultrabay that can accomodate any CDROM or floppy disk drives that you may need, so it has just about everything the A20 has (but not at the same time) except for the higher screen resolution. What is your trade or usage for this machine? If we know that then we could probably help you more. Just my 2 cents. Hope I've helped. --Keith Keith Wong System Admin - Document Imaging Honolulu Police Department - Records Division Office: (808) 529-3434 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: Don D'Amato To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 6:08 AM Subject: help me decide. T20 vs. a20p? i've placed an order for the t20 (expected ship date 5/26) but i am still debating. any input would be most appreciated. do you think the a20p's higher screen res and 16-meg video is worth lugging around the larger footprint and an extra 2.5 pounds? anyone have experience with the 1400x1024 resolution? does it make text too small for comfortable reading? will images look substantially better? for everyday business applications, internet clients, and occasional games and image processing stuff, will i really notice an improvement over 1024x768? how about the build quality of both machines? the t20 is the replacement for the 600 series which was very well-constructed - but is it safe to assume the t20 will equal the fit and feel of the 600x? the a20p seems a little clunky from what i've seen/read of it. thanks in advance. From cph Fri May 12 15:49:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA23849 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:49:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01420; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 15:47:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01326; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01312; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 15:47:05 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-42.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.42]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA19911 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000512154854.013428c0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:48:54 -0700 To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: help me decide. T20 vs. a20p? In-Reply-To: <01BFBC0A.DBC9E600@donpc.baydesign.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:08 PM 05/12/2000 -0400, Don D'Amato wrote: >i've placed an order for the t20 (expected ship date 5/26) but i am still debating. any input would be most appreciated. > >do you think the a20p's higher screen res and 16-meg video is worth lugging around the larger footprint and an extra 2.5 pounds? anyone have experience with the 1400x1024 resolution? does it make text too small for comfortable reading? will images look substantially better? for everyday business applications, internet clients, and occasional games and image processing stuff, will i really notice an improvement over 1024x768? > >how about the build quality of both machines? the t20 is the replacement for the 600 series which was very well-constructed - but is it safe to assume the t20 will equal the fit and feel of the 600x? the a20p seems a little clunky from what i've seen/read of it. I expect the build quality to be top notch for both machines. As for lugging them around, I am a firm believer that it is different for each person. I could care less lugging around 7-10lbs. But then again, I'm 6'4" 240lbs and bench 350 and curl 145, so 7-10lbs is nothing to me. It fits easily on my large lap and I have no problems with it. On the flip side, a fellow consultant is 5'6", can barely bench 80lbs and is very lean. He whines about the 600 series about not only its weight but its dimensions and won't even touch the 770z I take with me from site to site. Another friend is 5'8" but benches 405 and whips around with a 770x like it's nothing. But would prefer a smaller form factor. If the machine feels "heavy," to you, then it is probably too big. If the form factor feels to large for you, then, again, it is probably too big for you. I recommend going to a local computer store and finding a like form factor laptop and picking it up (No, don't run out of the store with it....) and walking around and determining it's usability. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri May 12 15:56:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA23917 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:56:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02274; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 15:55:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02193; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02176; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:55:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 15:55:41 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:51:53 -0400 Message-ID: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1E19@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: "'TP List '" Subject: RE: Thinkpad and GPS (Garmin, Tripmate, Earthmate, etc). Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:51:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Greeting, I have to admit that I'm enjoying this thread too. Beats hearing one more time about the poor mWave support of Linux, etc. I've got the earthmate by DeLorme. It works well with my 600 and 770 (I'm going to try it with a 730t this summer, as well). The software that ships with the unit is good for making up custom "Triptiks". In the car, the notebook is kind of a loser, however. It's a battery hog. It washes out in sunlight. And it is big! If you don't have a passenger to care for the Thinkpad, I think you're asking for trouble. Either it's going to get damaged or you're going to get distracted and get yourself/your car damaged. My solution was to plot routes in the Thinkpad and then download them to my Palm V via a Delorme program called Solus Pro. Delorme even sells an adapter for the Palm. The Palm display works well and it is more readable in direct sunlight. Also, the Palm will go all day on a single charge. Finally, the long cord allows you to position the unit itself where it will have a clear view of the sky. No, the maps on the Palm aren't very detailed, but I print up detailed maps via the Thinkpad. Also, I noticed on one of the links mentioned in another post, the government has turned off selective availability! Accuracy should be outstanding now! Regards, Neil Numerous Thinkpads, also a Sony PictureBook -----Original Message----- From: Randal Whittle To: Cottrell, Eric; TP List Sent: 5/12/00 12:43 PM Subject: Re: Thinkpad and GPS (Garmin, Tripmate, Earthmate, etc). At 12:12 PM 05/12/2000 -0400, you wrote: >In general the newer 12 channel units are alot better than >the old 5 or 8 channel units. More importantly is the ability for the newer units to track these satellites simultaneously in parallel (12 at a time--which is all that is visible at any given time), rather than multiplexing serially through a limited number of others. My Garmin GPS III has been invaluable with all the travelling I do, and hooked to my TP with Street Atlas USA, it has saved my bacon a number of times. - Randy From cph Fri May 12 16:15:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA24098 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:15:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03520; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 16:15:18 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03446; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 16:15:17 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id QAA28539 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3805.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00911; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3805.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.176 -> web3805.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 15:42:57 -0400 Message-ID: <20000512194246.13880.qmail@web3805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.15.109.121] by web3805.mail.yahoo.com; Fri, 12 May 2000 12:42:46 PDT Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 12:42:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: Swap files on secondary hard drive To: ThinkPad MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I know that having a second hard drive to dedicate to windows swap files can speed up your system, and it works well on my p3. I have a 340mb PCMCIA hard drive that I could use with my 760xd laptop. Does anyone know if PCMCIA will be too slow to do this or anything. I have 104mb ram, and I dont recall how much you should have dedicated per meg of ram. If any one knows that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Garrett Kaste. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Fri May 12 18:53:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA25173 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 18:53:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10945; Fri, 12 May 2000 18:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 18:52:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10805; Fri, 12 May 2000 18:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10792; Fri, 12 May 2000 18:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 18:52:49 -0400 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp-171-69-70-208.cisco.com [171.69.70.208]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA28885; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:52:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <391C8AFD.5ADCCA0C@ricochet.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:51:42 -0700 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Lingenfelter CC: ThinkPad Subject: Re: Microdrive and the 730T References: <018901bfbc30$50370b60$4702010a@blwd.k12.pa.us> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Interesting idea, one that I've had as well. I have a 220Mb ata flash card that it works well. I also have a 520Mb (499 formatted) type 3 drive that its bios refuses to recognize. )-: I wonder where the break-it point is? Mike Lingenfelter wrote: > I was wondering if the 340mb Microdrive from IBM would be compatible with > the 730T/TE? I have this quirky idea to use the 730 with a car docking > station, portable zip drive and Delorme GPS. > > Any thoughts? > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Progress is man's ability to complicate simplicity > > Mike Lingenfelter > Bellwood-Antis School District > Science Department Chairperson > work # 814-742-2280 x-4209 > home# 814-941-0141 > > personal email mlingen@attglobal.net > personal web http://pws.prserv.net/usinet.mlingen/usinet.mlingen From cph Fri May 12 18:55:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA25185 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 18:55:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11178; Fri, 12 May 2000 18:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 18:54:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11058; Fri, 12 May 2000 18:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11044; Fri, 12 May 2000 18:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 18:54:47 -0400 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp-171-69-70-208.cisco.com [171.69.70.208]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA29453 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 15:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <391C8B75.D78DA364@ricochet.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 15:53:42 -0700 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: gps clock setting software Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Speaking of GPS, anyone know of a little program that I could run to set the clock on my thinkpad? I'm pretty sure that Street Atlas USA does NOT do that, which is totally dumb. thanks andy 770ed, earthmate From cph Fri May 12 19:24:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA25394 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:24:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12227; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:23:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 19:23:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12150; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12137; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 19:23:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA52816; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:32:33 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: gps clock setting software In-Reply-To: <391C8B75.D78DA364@ricochet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 12 May 2000, Andrew Scott Beals wrote: > Speaking of GPS, anyone know of a little program that I could run to set > the clock on my thinkpad? I'm pretty sure that Street Atlas USA does > NOT do that, which is totally dumb. Two suggestions: 1) Since you've got a wireless modem (as evidenced by your e-mail address) why not go to www.winfiles.com and download one of the Internet clock setting shareware packages (like Atomic Time)? 2) Be part of the solution instead of part of the problem... write to Delorme and suggest the feature as an improvement for the next version. -- David Goldman From cph Fri May 12 19:30:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA25434 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:30:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12668; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 19:29:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12566; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:29:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12553; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 19:29:12 -0400 Received: from ricochet.net (dhcp-171-69-70-208.cisco.com [171.69.70.208]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA08042; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <391C930E.6487654E@ricochet.net> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:26:06 -0700 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Goldman CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: gps clock setting software References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David Goldman wrote: > On Fri, 12 May 2000, Andrew Scott Beals wrote: > > Speaking of GPS, anyone know of a little program that I could run to set > > the clock on my thinkpad? I'm pretty sure that Street Atlas USA does > > NOT do that, which is totally dumb. > > Two suggestions: > > 1) Since you've got a wireless modem (as evidenced by your e-mail address) > why not go to www.winfiles.com and download one of the Internet clock > setting shareware packages (like Atomic Time)? Yes, thank you. > > > 2) Be part of the solution instead of part of the problem... write to > Delorme and suggest the feature as an improvement for the next > version. Tried to find an email address and they don't publish one! I signed up to be on their "evaluate new features" list, but haven't heard jack from them. I also want the same functionality on my Pilot. Maybe it's time to revert to paper and pencil.... andy ps. Or ther other solution would be to hack the protocol and write a clock-setter..their advantage is that they know lat/lon so could calculate time zones [&dst] automatically! > > > -- > David Goldman From cph Fri May 12 19:37:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA25467 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:37:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13076; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 19:36:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13003; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12990; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (198.4.92.1 -> drawbridge.ascend.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 19:36:06 -0400 Received: from fw-ext.ascend.com (fw-ext [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA14088; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from russet.ascend.com by fw-ext.ascend.com via smtpd (for drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) with SMTP; 12 May 2000 23:36:04 UT Received: from spud.ascend.com (spud [192.207.23.51]) by russet.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA18206; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:36:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amalis.mail.com ([152.148.173.131]) by spud.ascend.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA03329; Fri, 12 May 2000 16:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000512131117.02c7baa0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 13:17:48 -0400 To: "Don D'Amato" From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: Re: help me decide. T20 vs. a20p? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BFBC0A.DBC9E600@donpc.baydesign.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Don, I had the same choice to make. I went with the T20 because I've been using a TP 600 for the last few years and I didn't want anything much larger or heavier, although I would have liked the superior screen and video HW. Never having seen either unit in the flesh, as it were, I have no particular knowledge of quality, fit and feel, etc. Note that you cannot currently order the Ethernet/modem combo, just the modem. I'm hoping they have it available by the time my T20 ships. Cheers, Andy ------- At 5/12/00 12:08 PM -0400, Don D'Amato wrote: >i've placed an order for the t20 (expected ship date 5/26) but i am still >debating. any input would be most appreciated. > >do you think the a20p's higher screen res and 16-meg video is worth >lugging around the larger footprint and an extra 2.5 pounds? anyone have >experience with the 1400x1024 resolution? does it make text too small for >comfortable reading? will images look substantially better? for everyday >business applications, internet clients, and occasional games and image >processing stuff, will i really notice an improvement over 1024x768? > >how about the build quality of both machines? the t20 is the replacement >for the 600 series which was very well-constructed - but is it safe to >assume the t20 will equal the fit and feel of the 600x? the a20p seems a >little clunky from what i've seen/read of it. > >thanks in advance. From cph Fri May 12 19:47:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA25546 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:47:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13608; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 19:46:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13495; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13480; Fri, 12 May 2000 19:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 19:46:26 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Andrew G. Malis" , "Don D'Amato" Cc: Subject: RE: help me decide. T20 vs. a20p? Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:45:46 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2EBD@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: help me decide. T20 vs. a20p? Thread-Index: Ab+8atvhd7DUsxdTSv+8vTaElHRfsAAAUYgA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA25547 Starting today you can order the ethernet/modem combo with the same availability as everything else. ssh > Note that you cannot currently order the Ethernet/modem > combo, just the > modem. I'm hoping they have it available by the time my T20 ships. From cph Fri May 12 20:09:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA25643 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 20:09:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14867; Fri, 12 May 2000 20:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 20:08:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14725; Fri, 12 May 2000 20:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mana.pf (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14704; Fri, 12 May 2000 20:08:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mana.pf (202.3.225.102 -> smtp.mana.pf) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 20:08:07 -0400 Received: from vaianae (d4-051.sl.mana.pf [202.3.227.51]) by smtp.mana.pf (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA29209 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 01:10:06 -1000 Reply-To: From: "Jimmy E. Chanzi" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: 770ED/G200 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:07:49 -1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Gregory, It works just fine. I have the G200 MMS card (G2+ Dual/P) in a Dock III with a 770ED, W98SE and 2 9516 displays...just the usual installation (with the possibility of IRQ conflicts etc...) The 9516 only accepts 1280 x 1024 res and 60Hz, the 770ED doesn't accepts it, so when I powered up the computer with everything hooked up, the displays would not work, I had to connect a regular CRT monitor, let W98 configure the card then configure the new res. So when I powered up with the 9516 displays, everything was OK. Jimmy P.S: Greg my email to your ibm.net address came back Undeliverable. -----Original Message----- From: Gregory Harris [mailto:greg025@ibm.net] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 1:18 PM To: JChanzi@AttGlobal.net Subject: 770ED/G200 Hi Jimmy, just wondering how the combination is looking. I was just about to buy a G200/PCI to put in my Dock/III + 770X. Any comments are appreciated, Thanks, From cph Fri May 12 20:18:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA25735 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 20:18:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15462; Fri, 12 May 2000 20:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 20:17:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15389; Fri, 12 May 2000 20:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15369; Fri, 12 May 2000 20:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 20:17:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA53559; Fri, 12 May 2000 17:26:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 17:26:49 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: gps clock setting software (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: According to their web site on their support page http://www.delorme.com/support/ they list a link to "E-Mail our suggestion department" which gives us: suggest@delorme.com -- David Goldman ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:26:06 -0700 From: Andrew Scott Beals To: David Goldman Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: gps clock setting software David Goldman wrote: > On Fri, 12 May 2000, Andrew Scott Beals wrote: > > Speaking of GPS, anyone know of a little program that I could run to set > > the clock on my thinkpad? I'm pretty sure that Street Atlas USA does > > NOT do that, which is totally dumb. > > Two suggestions: > > 1) Since you've got a wireless modem (as evidenced by your e-mail address) > why not go to www.winfiles.com and download one of the Internet clock > setting shareware packages (like Atomic Time)? Yes, thank you. > > > 2) Be part of the solution instead of part of the problem... write to > Delorme and suggest the feature as an improvement for the next > version. Tried to find an email address and they don't publish one! I signed up to be on their "evaluate new features" list, but haven't heard jack from them. I also want the same functionality on my Pilot. Maybe it's time to revert to paper and pencil.... andy ps. Or ther other solution would be to hack the protocol and write a clock-setter..their advantage is that they know lat/lon so could calculate time zones [&dst] automatically! > > > -- > David Goldman From cph Fri May 12 20:31:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA25852 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 20:31:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16162; Fri, 12 May 2000 20:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 20:30:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16085; Fri, 12 May 2000 20:30:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mana.pf (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16072; Fri, 12 May 2000 20:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mana.pf (202.3.225.102 -> smtp.mana.pf) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 20:30:27 -0400 Received: from vaianae (d4-051.sl.mana.pf [202.3.227.51]) by smtp.mana.pf (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA31332 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 01:32:32 -1000 Reply-To: From: "Jimmy E. Chanzi" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: New T series Thinkpad Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 14:30:15 -1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Brand new T series thinkpad on sale over at eBay...item# 325866677. Listed at $1,775.00 righgt now. 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I have a 220Mb ata flash card that it works well. I also have a 520Mb (499 formatted) type 3 drive that its bios refuses to recognize. )-: I wonder where the break-it point is? Hrmmm... did you initialize it before you formatted it? I ran into problems like that with my 4 IBM 105MB until I "initialized" them using a utility specifically made for the card. You might want to check up on what initialization thing for your ATA disk card, use it on the drive then format it. From cph Fri May 12 21:07:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA26027 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:07:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18210; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 21:05:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18133; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18120; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 21:05:19 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA08914; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391CAA2E.AD761379@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:04:46 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Hultquist CC: "Andrew G. Malis" , "Don D'Amato" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: help me decide. T20 vs. a20p? References: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2EBD@houdini.accumedia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steve Hultquist wrote: > Starting today you can order the ethernet/modem combo with the same > availability as everything else. Meaning not available yet? ;-) From cph Fri May 12 21:31:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA26187 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:31:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19248; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 21:27:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19063; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19050; Fri, 12 May 2000 21:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (207.181.194.95 -> atlas.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 21:27:14 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by atlas.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA67613; Fri, 12 May 2000 18:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from think2k (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA97776; Fri, 12 May 2000 18:27:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005401bfbc7a$878b5270$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Don D'Amato" , "Andrew G. Malis" Cc: References: <4.3.1.2.20000512131117.02c7baa0@mail.mac.com> Subject: Re: help me decide. T20 vs. a20p? and PC Ether performance... Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 18:28:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: I ordered an a20p (2629-62U) from ShopIBM with an extra 128mb of memory. Their availability wasn't quite as "hopeful" as others but the price was as advertised and the 30-money back guarantee won the day. Like you I have been using a ThinkPad 600 (PII-233) for the last two years. It has been wonderful and has been very reliable. It is one of the "Made in Japan" models. -- In the end the 1400x1050 screen was what hooked me. I only travel about one day in five and so the desk takes the strain for the other four days. Some stats: Two years ago I paid nearly as much for the 600 as I will for the a20p. The a20p will have: * 1/3 more pixels in both dimensions * 2 x the bit depth * 8 x times the VRAM * 2 x the number of pixels * 6 x the disk capacity * 4 x the standard memory (32 to 128) * 3 x the processor speed * 1.5 x the bus speed * DVD instead of CD * built-in floppy, instead of outboard (three spindle design) and will weigh 1.5 times as much. Every time my shoulders hurt, my eyes will tell them to quit whining! Isn't Moore's Law++ wonderful. Damn what a country! Since I purchased the 600, I have purchased a 6 gb from Bill Morrow (great service!), another 128mb of RAM from IBM, an extra A/C adapter and 10mbps PC card for leaving at clients. -- Now a question... I have to wonder, whether I should change the order to the (2629-6TU) with the EtherNet adapter. Does anyone have any feedback either way? I run a 100mbps EtherNet and use the 3Com 3C575-TX 10/100 PC Card. It seems to work fine. Very vaguely I remember Mike Geary giving some reasons why this card wasn't the best. Later cards probably give better throughput. Is there any way that I can benchmark the card on my net and tell if the performance is optimal? I am running Win2K Professional on the ThinkPad and Win2k Server on my trusty PII-266 home-built server. (Intel motherboard) A test could be run between the two and compared to someone else's comparable setup. Anyone? Thanks anyway. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew G. Malis" To: "Don D'Amato" Cc: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 10:17 AM Subject: Re: help me decide. T20 vs. a20p? > Don, > > I had the same choice to make. I went with the T20 because I've been using > a TP 600 for the last few years and I didn't want anything much larger or > heavier, although I would have liked the superior screen and video > HW. Never having seen either unit in the flesh, as it were, I have no > particular knowledge of quality, fit and feel, etc. > > Note that you cannot currently order the Ethernet/modem combo, just the > modem. I'm hoping they have it available by the time my T20 ships. > > Cheers, > Andy > > ------- > > At 5/12/00 12:08 PM -0400, Don D'Amato wrote: > >i've placed an order for the t20 (expected ship date 5/26) but i am still > >debating. any input would be most appreciated. > > > >do you think the a20p's higher screen res and 16-meg video is worth > >lugging around the larger footprint and an extra 2.5 pounds? anyone have > >experience with the 1400x1024 resolution? does it make text too small for > >comfortable reading? will images look substantially better? for everyday > >business applications, internet clients, and occasional games and image > >processing stuff, will i really notice an improvement over 1024x768? > > > >how about the build quality of both machines? the t20 is the replacement > >for the 600 series which was very well-constructed - but is it safe to > >assume the t20 will equal the fit and feel of the 600x? the a20p seems a > >little clunky from what i've seen/read of it. > > > >thanks in advance. > > From cph Fri May 12 23:59:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA26694 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:59:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22772; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 12 May 2000 23:56:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22655; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22641; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (130.17.4.254 -> samsara.csustan.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 12 May 2000 23:56:44 -0400 Received: (from steven@localhost) by samsara.csustan.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA09410; Sat, 13 May 2000 04:00:54 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.4 on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <01BFBC0A.DBC9E600@donpc.baydesign.com> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 04:00:54 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Steven Filling Sender: steven@samsara.csustan.edu From: Steven Filling To: "Don D'Amato" Subject: RE: help me decide. T20 vs. a20p? Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id XAA26695 On 12-May-2000 Don D'Amato extemporized: > I've placed an order for the t20 (expected ship date 5/26) but i am still > debating. any input would be most appreciated. May not be much of an issue - IBM's site no longer has any mention of the a series. The support docs are still there - maybe they've just sold enough? ;^)) cheers S. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Steven Filling Date: 13-May-2000 Time: 03:53:16 ---------------------------------- From cph Sat May 13 00:16:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA26757 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:16:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23612; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 00:14:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23530; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23515; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:14:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.240.114 -> oe10.law8.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 00:14:34 -0400 Received: (qmail 35497 invoked by uid 65534); 13 May 2000 04:14:32 -0000 Message-ID: <20000513041432.35496.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.63.188.240] From: "ben armstrong" To: "ThinkPad" Subject: re: microdrive and the 730t Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 21:57:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I'm using a callunacard 520mb works great after being iniatialized with a maxtor init program. I 've had better luck with the maxtor program then ibm's pc init. the 520 mb has a scaled down win95 and a scaled down From cph Sat May 13 00:30:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA26823 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:30:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24294; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 00:28:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24219; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24206; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 00:28:38 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA05802; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:28:37 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA05894; Sat, 13 May 2000 00:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000512202549.00bf8c20@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 20:26:59 -0700 To: "Andrew G. Malis" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: help me decide. T20 vs. a20p? In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000512131117.02c7baa0@mail.mac.com> References: <01BFBC0A.DBC9E600@donpc.baydesign.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: As a fellow TP600 owner, perhaps interested in the T20, I'd like to get your impressions of it when it arrives. Thanks! At 01:17 PM 05/12/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I had the same choice to make. I went with the T20 because I've been >using a TP 600 for the last few years and I didn't want anything much >larger or heavier, although I would have From cph Sat May 13 01:04:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA26946 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 01:04:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25394; Sat, 13 May 2000 01:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 01:01:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25263; Sat, 13 May 2000 01:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA25250; Sat, 13 May 2000 01:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 01:01:24 -0400 Received: from uniblab (uniblab [146.88.9.146]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA26073 for ; Fri, 12 May 2000 23:01:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000701bfbc98$48514600$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: Subject: Yet another Linux-ThinkPad question Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 23:01:21 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: OK. I'm going to get Linux on this machine even if it kills me. I know UNIX, so everything I read that has to do with running Linux makes sense. But this installation stuff... I have a 600X with a 12GB drive. I want Win98 on the C/D drive and Linux on what's left over: It is split into a 2GB C: partition, and a ~9GB D: partition. I've run Partition Resizer and shrunk the D: partition down to 5.5GB (and all of my stuff is still there! :-). When I look at the properties for D it is now 5.5GB. Now what? I can't quite seem to glean out of everything I've read what exactly it is that I'm supposed to do. If it is run (MSDOS) fdisk, then I don't see (i.e. it doesn't slap me in the face) what I'm supposed to do with it. The empty space doesn't seem to show up anywhere. It says that the extended DOS partition is ~9GB, and D: is 5.5GB, but I don't want to create a DOS drive, do I? ???? This will be the next pump in the road. Now, I tried running the Redhat 6.2 installer once or twice (before I got around to resizing partitions or anything like that), and I noticed right off the bat that there is a video card problem. If I chose the graphical install it looks like the installer is using all 1024x768 pixels, but I only get to see the center 640x480. The rest of the screen is black, and the mouse won't move out of the 640x480 square. Can that be fixed, or should I just stick with the text version of the installation? HELP! :-) Thanks! Bob (I know I want to do this for SOME reason -- I just gotta think of one :-) From cph Sat May 13 01:44:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA27086 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 01:44:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26596; Sat, 13 May 2000 01:43:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 01:43:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26503; Sat, 13 May 2000 01:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26490; Sat, 13 May 2000 01:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 01:43:11 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.234]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000513054309.XQVY1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 05:43:09 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000513014230.0140f980@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 01:42:30 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: They started a new book for the new TPs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf From cph Sat May 13 08:29:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA28373 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 08:29:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12931; Sat, 13 May 2000 08:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 08:22:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12785; Sat, 13 May 2000 08:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12772; Sat, 13 May 2000 08:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 08:22:21 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA11663 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:22:19 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (pri01.dialup [152.78.68.226]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA10933 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:22:18 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005131222.NAA10933@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:29:52 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <000701bfbc98$48514600$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Yet another Linux-ThinkPad question List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA12931 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA28374 On Fri, 12 May 2000 23:01:21 -0600, Bob Greschke wrote: >Now what? I can't quite seem to glean out of everything I've read what its simple, you put your Linux cdrom on the cdrom drive and boot your machine, then start the linux installation and it should come up with the partition manager to install linux on the freespace. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat May 13 08:42:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA28399 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 08:42:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13458; Sat, 13 May 2000 08:37:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 08:35:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13304; Sat, 13 May 2000 08:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13291; Sat, 13 May 2000 08:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 08:35:43 -0400 Received: from 216-164-137-27.s281.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.137.27] helo=desktop) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qb8v-0006rl-00; Sat, 13 May 2000 08:35:41 -0400 Message-ID: <006e01bfbcd7$ff8d3ce0$0101a8c0@desktop> From: "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" To: "Andrew Scott Beals" , References: <391C8B75.D78DA364@ricochet.net> Subject: Re: gps clock setting software Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 08:37:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: There is a shareware program called Atom Time that will sync you up with the USGS clock in Boulder. Donald --- Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] ---------------------------------------- I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! ---------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Scott Beals To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 6:53 PM Subject: gps clock setting software > Speaking of GPS, anyone know of a little program that I could run to set > the clock on my thinkpad? I'm pretty sure that Street Atlas USA does > NOT do that, which is totally dumb. > > thanks > andy > 770ed, earthmate > > > From cph Sat May 13 08:46:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA28411 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 08:46:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13796; Sat, 13 May 2000 08:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 08:40:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13693; Sat, 13 May 2000 08:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13679; Sat, 13 May 2000 08:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr22.engin.umich.edu (141.213.75.21 -> srvr22.engin.umich.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 08:40:10 -0400 Received: from azure.engin.umich.edu (root@azure.engin.umich.edu [141.213.74.24]) by srvr22.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA27252; Sat, 13 May 2000 08:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (arteitle@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by azure.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA02293; Sat, 13 May 2000 08:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 08:40:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" To: Andrew Scott Beals cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: gps clock setting software In-Reply-To: <391C8B75.D78DA364@ricochet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 12 May 2000, Andrew Scott Beals wrote: > Speaking of GPS, anyone know of a little program that I could run to set > the clock on my thinkpad? I'm pretty sure that Street Atlas USA does > NOT do that, which is totally dumb. I know of two programs that will do this, but I'm not sure they'll work with GPSs that don't output NMEA sentences (which, correct me if I'm wrong, the Earthmate does NOT). Check the Tucows software archive for an Internet clock setting program called "Tardis", and use your favorite search engine to look for a GPS program called "SA Watch". Aaron Teitlebaum arteitle@engin.umich.edu From cph Sat May 13 10:48:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA28747 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:48:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16717; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 10:44:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16559; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16545; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (208.139.144.3 -> mail.advi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 10:44:49 -0400 Received: from ecamin (s13354061.advi.net [208.133.54.61]) by mail.advi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA03006; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002701bfbce9$744760e0$3d3685d0@ecamin> From: "Edwin A Camin" To: "David Goldman" , "ThinkPad List" References: Subject: Re: gps clock setting software (fwd) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 10:42:21 -0400 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFBCC7.EAC11760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFBCC7.EAC11760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Atomtime.exe was a freebee from ZD several yrs ago. It works just fine. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: David Goldman To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 8:26 PM Subject: Re: gps clock setting software (fwd) > According to their web site on their support page > > http://www.delorme.com/support/ > > they list a link to "E-Mail our suggestion department" which gives us: > > suggest@delorme.com > > -- > David Goldman > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:26:06 -0700 > From: Andrew Scott Beals > To: David Goldman > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: gps clock setting software > > > > David Goldman wrote: > > > On Fri, 12 May 2000, Andrew Scott Beals wrote: > > > Speaking of GPS, anyone know of a little program that I could run to set > > > the clock on my thinkpad? I'm pretty sure that Street Atlas USA does > > > NOT do that, which is totally dumb. > > > > Two suggestions: > > > > 1) Since you've got a wireless modem (as evidenced by your e-mail address) > > why not go to www.winfiles.com and download one of the Internet clock > > setting shareware packages (like Atomic Time)? > > Yes, thank you. > > > > > > > 2) Be part of the solution instead of part of the problem... write to > > Delorme and suggest the feature as an improvement for the next > > version. > > Tried to find an email address and they don't publish one! I signed up to be > on their "evaluate new features" list, but haven't heard jack from them. I > also want the same functionality on my Pilot. > > Maybe it's time to revert to paper and pencil.... > > andy > > ps. 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA= ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01BFBCC7.EAC11760-- From cph Sat May 13 10:48:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA28750 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:48:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16500; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 10:43:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16404; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16380; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (208.139.144.3 -> mail.advi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 10:43:18 -0400 Received: from ecamin (s13354061.advi.net [208.133.54.61]) by mail.advi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA02899; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:41:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001801bfbce9$3ca7e060$3d3685d0@ecamin> From: "Edwin A Camin" To: "David Goldman" , References: Subject: Re: gps clock setting software (fwd) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 10:40:48 -0400 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFBCC7.B35B92A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFBCC7.B35B92A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This was a freebee from ZD several yrs ago. It works just fine. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: David Goldman To: Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 8:26 PM Subject: Re: gps clock setting software (fwd) > According to their web site on their support page > > http://www.delorme.com/support/ > > they list a link to "E-Mail our suggestion department" which gives us: > > suggest@delorme.com > > -- > David Goldman > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Fri, 12 May 2000 16:26:06 -0700 > From: Andrew Scott Beals > To: David Goldman > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: gps clock setting software > > > > David Goldman wrote: > > > On Fri, 12 May 2000, Andrew Scott Beals wrote: > > > Speaking of GPS, anyone know of a little program that I could run to set > > > the clock on my thinkpad? I'm pretty sure that Street Atlas USA does > > > NOT do that, which is totally dumb. > > > > Two suggestions: > > > > 1) Since you've got a wireless modem (as evidenced by your e-mail address) > > why not go to www.winfiles.com and download one of the Internet clock > > setting shareware packages (like Atomic Time)? > > Yes, thank you. > > > > > > > 2) Be part of the solution instead of part of the problem... write to > > Delorme and suggest the feature as an improvement for the next > > version. > > Tried to find an email address and they don't publish one! I signed up to be > on their "evaluate new features" list, but haven't heard jack from them. I > also want the same functionality on my Pilot. > > Maybe it's time to revert to paper and pencil.... > > andy > > ps. 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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA= ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BFBCC7.B35B92A0-- From cph Sat May 13 10:50:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA28759 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:50:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17074; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 10:48:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16998; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16985; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (208.139.144.3 -> mail.advi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 10:48:54 -0400 Received: from ecamin (s13354061.advi.net [208.133.54.61]) by mail.advi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id KAA03363; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006301bfbcea$2eb8dee0$3d3685d0@ecamin> From: "Edwin A Camin" To: "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" , "Andrew Scott Beals" , References: <391C8B75.D78DA364@ricochet.net> <006e01bfbcd7$ff8d3ce0$0101a8c0@desktop> Subject: Re: gps clock setting software Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 10:47:35 -0400 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: I've been using Atomtime for several years. It was free from PC Mag (ZD). Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Malcolm MacQueen To: Andrew Scott Beals ; Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 8:37 AM Subject: Re: gps clock setting software > There is a shareware program called > Atom Time that will sync you up > with the USGS clock in Boulder. > > Donald > > --- > Donald M. MacQueen > Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] > ---------------------------------------- > I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! > ---------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andrew Scott Beals > To: > Sent: Friday, May 12, 2000 6:53 PM > Subject: gps clock setting software > > > > Speaking of GPS, anyone know of a little program that I > could run to set > > the clock on my thinkpad? I'm pretty sure that Street > Atlas USA does > > NOT do that, which is totally dumb. > > > > thanks > > andy > > 770ed, earthmate > > > > > > > From cph Sat May 13 13:26:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA29175 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:26:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22406; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:24:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 13:23:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22263; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noc.neumedia.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22250; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from noc.neumedia.net (208.192.16.2 -> noc.neumedia.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 13:23:00 -0400 Received: from neumedia.net (p195.elkins.neumedia.net [208.192.18.245]) by noc.neumedia.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA24959 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <391D8E87.5B1B03B5@neumedia.net> Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 13:19:04 -0400 From: "James D. Meader" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Atomtime.exe References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: With all the "stuff" going around in email currently, I for one would rather not be mailed unsolicited things like this, buried in the digest. Why not either just give the URL where it could be found, or mail it directly to the person it was intended for? From cph Sat May 13 13:36:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA29202 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:36:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22936; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 13:33:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22854; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:33:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22841; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (24.0.2.66 -> ha1.rdc1.wa.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 13:33:08 -0400 Received: from c454306b.frndl1.wa.home.com ([24.12.247.64]) by mail.rdc1.wa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000513173301.VIO5659.mail.rdc1.wa.home.com@c454306b.frndl1.wa.home.com>; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:33:01 -0700 Message-ID: <006901bfbd00$ef75fd00$40f70c18@frndl1.wa.home.com> From: "Peter Machule" To: "Edwin A Camin" Cc: "thinkpad" References: <001801bfbce9$3ca7e060$3d3685d0@ecamin> Subject: Re: Atomtime.exe !!!!!! Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 10:30:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: EDWIN !!!! NEVER Do that again !!! You do NOT send an unsoliceted 150K exe file to a mailing list . And then to do it twice ?????? ..peter From cph Sat May 13 13:46:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA29230 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:46:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23347; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:44:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 13:43:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23227; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23214; Sat, 13 May 2000 13:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (207.181.194.97 -> oberon.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 13:43:18 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by oberon.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA73096; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from think2k (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11459; Sat, 13 May 2000 10:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000d01bfbd02$b8355370$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Peter Machule" , "Edwin A Camin" Cc: "thinkpad" References: <001801bfbce9$3ca7e060$3d3685d0@ecamin> <006901bfbd00$ef75fd00$40f70c18@frndl1.wa.home.com> Subject: Re: Atomtime.exe !!!!!! Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 10:43:16 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Twice!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Machule" To: "Edwin A Camin" Cc: "thinkpad" Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 10:30 AM Subject: Re: Atomtime.exe !!!!!! > EDWIN !!!! > > NEVER Do that again !!! > You do NOT send an unsoliceted 150K exe file to a mailing list . > And then to do it twice ?????? > > ..peter > > > > From cph Sat May 13 15:49:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA29656 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 15:49:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27254; Sat, 13 May 2000 15:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 15:47:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27147; Sat, 13 May 2000 15:47:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from graf.cc.emory.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27134; Sat, 13 May 2000 15:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from graf.cc.emory.edu (170.140.1.44 -> graf.cc.emory.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 15:47:45 -0400 Received: from rbright (anx56-52.dialup.emory.edu [170.140.251.52]) by graf.cc.emory.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA29921; Sat, 13 May 2000 15:47:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rick A. Bright" To: "Steven Filling" , "Don D'Amato" Cc: Subject: RE: help me decide. T20 vs. a20p? Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 15:46:56 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I have no trouble of finding the A20p listed on the IBM site. It is not on their main screen with the rest, but if you click on the A20 at the top of the screen of laptops, it tells you everything and goes to the order screen, and places the order. So many people quit too early. Just LOOK around, it may not always be right where you expect it.... nothing in life ever is... -----Original Message----- From: Steven Filling [mailto:steven@samsara.csustan.edu] Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 7:01 AM To: Don D'Amato Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: help me decide. T20 vs. a20p? On 12-May-2000 Don D'Amato extemporized: > I've placed an order for the t20 (expected ship date 5/26) but i am still > debating. any input would be most appreciated. May not be much of an issue - IBM's site no longer has any mention of the a series. The support docs are still there - maybe they've just sold enough? ;^)) cheers S. --------------------------------- E-Mail: Steven Filling Date: 13-May-2000 Time: 03:53:16 --------------------------------- From cph Sat May 13 16:01:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA29710 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:01:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27859; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 16:00:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27707; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27693; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.net (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 16:00:13 -0400 Received: from Atreyu.the-strategis (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA02806 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 14:36:19 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from heiby@falkor.chi.il.us) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 14:36:11 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.42c) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1971529953.20000513143611@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[3]: Thinkpad 770ED and CD-RW/ DAE / Travelstar In-reply-To: <3518235627.20000511143030@falkor.chi.il.us> References: <3518235627.20000511143030@falkor.chi.il.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thursday, May 11, 2000, 2:30:30 PM, I wrote: > Any ideas on how I can get 4X to work reliably again? Thanks! I now have *one* data point that may be an indication that my problem is solved. By that, I mean that I have attempted to burn one CD-R at 4X, and that attempt was successful. It was the first successful attempt since I installed Win98SE. What changed? Well, I disabled my Ir port. I've been meaning to do that for quite a while, since it's been my experience that ThinkPad Ir ports are nothing but trouble. Time will tell if I'm right! Ron. From cph Sat May 13 16:01:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA29714 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:01:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27899; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 16:00:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27745; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27696; Sat, 13 May 2000 16:00:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.net (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 16:00:13 -0400 Received: from Atreyu.the-strategis (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03228 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 14:41:56 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from heiby@falkor.chi.il.us) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 14:41:48 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.42c) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1561867065.20000513144148@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Yet another Linux-ThinkPad question In-reply-To: <1881336208.20000513143258@falkor.chi.il.us> References: <000701bfbc98$48514600$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> <1881336208.20000513143258@falkor.chi.il.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------FB1AF7319F77AF5" List-Unsubscribe: ------------FB1AF7319F77AF5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Saturday, May 13, 2000, 2:32:58 PM, I wrote: > I'll attach it to this Email. Oops! 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X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, lornew@powerup.com.au Subject: Re: Thinkpad and GPS (Garmin, Tripmate, Earthmate, etc). Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a Garmin GPS III a TP 770 and a Palm IIIc. The PC software i use is called OziExplorer ind it is fantastic. The moving map component is fast and easy to see via the "intensity setting" (there is also a night vision setting!!). Just about every map datum is supported and there are importers for many existing mapsets. This is an australian product and we have a damn big country to get lost in!! ;-) I have purchased a few mapping programs for my palm but either they just plain dont work or i cant get maps for australia. quo vadis and gps atlas are about the best i have seen so far. But for in-car use a big screen is preferred. And yes a 12 channel parallel reciever is essential. Now that the US has removed SA (thanks) i am a very happy camper (pun intended) c. From cph Sat May 13 20:47:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA30559 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 20:47:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06603; Sat, 13 May 2000 20:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 20:45:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06508; Sat, 13 May 2000 20:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06495; Sat, 13 May 2000 20:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 20:45:05 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA19243 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 01:45:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (sehh@pri03.dialup [152.78.68.228]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA17256 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 01:45:01 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005140045.BAA17256@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 01:52:38 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: new Personalization Features Pacakge List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id UAA06603 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id UAA30560 There is a new Personalization Features Package for OS/2 at: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-45LN57.html?lang=en_US&page=brand&brand=IBM+Thi nkPad%7CThinkPad+600E%7C2645%7C8A0&family=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+600E&machi neType=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+600E%7C2645&model=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+60 0E%7C2645%7C8A0&doctype=Downloadable+files&subtype=OS%2F2 (its the program that allows changing of the bootup bitmap/message when you have a password set) Supports: - ThinkPad 365X, 365XD - ThinkPad 380, 380D, 380E, 380ED, 380XD, 380Z - ThinkPad 385D, 385ED, 385XD - ThinkPad 560, 5 60E, 560X, 560Z - ThinkPad 600, 600E, 600X - ThinkPad 760C, 760CD, 760L, 760LD - ThinkPad 760E, 760ED, 760EL, 760ELD - ThinkPad 760XD, 760XL - ThinkPad 765D, 765L - ThinkPad 770, 770E, 770ED, 770X, 770Z Version 4.15 Release Date 2000-05-01 þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat May 13 20:58:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA30585 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 20:58:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07250; Sat, 13 May 2000 20:56:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 20:56:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07175; Sat, 13 May 2000 20:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.cs.nyu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07162; Sat, 13 May 2000 20:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slinky.cs.nyu.edu (128.122.20.14 -> SLINKY.CS.NYU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 20:56:37 -0400 Received: (from schwarz@localhost) by slinky.cs.nyu.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA15258 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 13 May 2000 20:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 20:56:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Marc Schwarz Message-Id: <200005140056.UAA15258@slinky.cs.nyu.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: FIX YOUR MAJORDOMO List-Unsubscribe: I've sent 5 unsubscribe requests using the unsubscribe tag information that's in the header of each note. PLEASE FIX THIS MECHANISM SO THAT PEOPLE WHO NO LONGER WISH TO RECEIVE YOUR MAILINGS CAN UNSUBSCRIBE. thank you. M.- From cph Sat May 13 21:07:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA30618 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:07:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07880; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 21:06:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07806; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07793; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 21:06:20 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA19314 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 02:06:18 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (sehh@pri03.dialup [152.78.68.228]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA17403 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 02:06:17 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005140106.CAA17403@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 02:13:54 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Battery List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id VAA07880 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id VAA30619 While browsing the IBM site, i came to a document which lists TP models and their maximum battery operation. URL at: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/PFAN-3QNQJN.html It seems my 600E should run 3hours.. when at 100% the battery meter gives an estimated of 2 hours and 10 minutes... hmm. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat May 13 21:27:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA30670 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:27:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08820; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 21:25:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08738; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08725; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 21:25:20 -0400 Received: from 216-164-128-128.s128.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.128.128] helo=desktop) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12qn9i-000318-00 for ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 13 May 2000 21:25:19 -0400 Message-ID: <006d01bfbd43$884efe40$0101a8c0@desktop> From: "Donald Malcolm MacQueen" To: References: <3518235627.20000511143030@falkor.chi.il.us> <1971529953.20000513143611@falkor.chi.il.us> Subject: are tp warranties transferrable? Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:27:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I'm still cruising EBay looking to upgrade my 560. Some ads say their machine has a warranty that extends until 6/2001 (or something). Are these warranties indeed transferrable? How? Anybody done this? Thanks. Donald --- Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] ---------------------------------------- I've tried the rest, now I use the best -- Smalltalk! ---------------------------------------- From cph Sat May 13 22:20:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA30887 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:20:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10600; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 22:17:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10433; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10420; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:17:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 22:17:18 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.155]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000514021716.GNMC3646.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 02:17:16 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000513221636.0147b9a0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:16:36 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: are tp warranties transferrable? In-Reply-To: <006d01bfbd43$884efe40$0101a8c0@desktop> References: <3518235627.20000511143030@falkor.chi.il.us> <1971529953.20000513143611@falkor.chi.il.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:27 PM 05/13/2000 -0400, Donald Malcolm MacQueen wrote: >Some ads say their machine has a warranty >that extends until 6/2001 (or something). > >Are these warranties indeed transferrable? >How? Anybody done this? > I've purchased a used system that still had warranty left and used the warranty. I didn't have to do anything to transfer it. I just called in for service, and they obliged. YMMV. Jane From cph Sat May 13 22:50:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA31007 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:50:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11845; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 22:48:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11768; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11755; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 22:48:56 -0400 Received: from 452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000514024855.RKRC413.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@452366-a>; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:48:55 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:48:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Elephant (was Re: The UK plans.) Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <391DDBD7.19479.2378ABD@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <2opE54mip9hM092yn@islandnet.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi Jonathan, Tilley advertises the strength of their floppy hats. Apparently one belonging to an elephant zookeeper has gone thru an elephant a few times with no serious effects. See http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/wolffiles49.html Clean-up is probably easier than with a laptop... Tom At 2000 May 5 - Friday 1:53, Jonathan Berry spoke about *Re: The UK plans....* saying > In article <3.0.6.32.20000505032419.01436100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net>, > Mark Bell wrote: > >At 02:09 AM 05/05/2000 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >>there is an insurance policy that can be had for about $300 that covers > >>everythjing, even aunt bertha feeding the laptop to an elephant at the zoo.. > >>:-) > > > >Ugh, who would want to do THAT data recovery. >;-P ------------------------- Tom Trottier, Abacurial IT Consulting ICQ: 57647974 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa Ontario Canada K1R 7S7 __o TomATrottier@home.com _ \< +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 (+)/'(+) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Sat May 13 22:58:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA31023 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:58:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12346; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 22:56:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12267; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12252; Sat, 13 May 2000 22:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 22:56:52 -0400 Received: from 452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000514025651.RLHZ413.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@452366-a>; Sat, 13 May 2000 19:56:51 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: Bill Morrow , penzance@gate.net, "'Andrew Webber'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "Cottrell, Eric" Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:56:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Reverse lookups by address, phone Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com CC: "'Andrew Webber'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <391DDDB2.23733.23ECD3E@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3902A332.1A02E7EC@gate.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: There is a cdn business reverse lookup: http://www.yellow.ca/ For more yellow directories, see: http://www.bestyellow.com/services/yellow100/index.html Tom At 2000 April 23 - Sunday 3:16, Bill Morrow spoke about *Re: Reverse lookups by address, pho...* saying > I've kept out of this.. until now.. > those who expect a free lunch, get poisoned.. :-) > okok, no metaphor, but the idea is plain.. > > MY 2 cents (canadian!) is call the police in thornhill.. > have a chat with them.. :-) > > "Cottrell, Eric" wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I did the search and found a few people there. The correct > > spelling is Steeles. It is one of the main streets in > > Thornhill. > > > > I noticed there was no business reverse search. I searched > > for post offices and mailbox places with out any hits however I > > did get some hits for other types of stores. So it looks like > > 800 has some businesses but nothing under post office or > > mailbox rental. > > > > 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Andrew Webber [mailto:awebber@wwwebbers.com] > > Sent: Friday, April 21, 2000 12:47 PM > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Reverse lookups by address, phone > > > > On Fri, 21 Apr 2000 11:08:55 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: > > > > >Unfortunely you cannot put > > >in an address and find out what is there. ------------------------- Tom Trottier, Abacurial IT Consulting ICQ: 57647974 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa Ontario Canada K1R 7S7 __o TomATrottier@home.com _ \< +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 (+)/'(+) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Sat May 13 23:20:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA31075 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:20:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13302; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 23:18:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13186; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:18:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13173; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:18:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 23:18:05 -0400 Received: from 452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000514031804.RNON413.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@452366-a>; Sat, 13 May 2000 20:18:04 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: "Edwin A Camin" , "David Goldman" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 23:18:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: gps clock setting software (fwd) Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <391DE2AB.8825.2523A3F@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <002701bfbce9$744760e0$3d3685d0@ecamin> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: A smarter program, freeware, is D4. But I think both programs look over the net rather than at a GPS. The GPS is probably more accurate, avoiding net delays or expense. See http://www.seismicnet.com/sdrdocs/gps.htm for some info... And gee, I didn't know we could send programs over the list! Tom At 2000 May 13 - Saturday 10:42, Edwin A Camin spoke about *Re: gps clock setting software (fwd...* saying > Atomtime.exe was a freebee from ZD several yrs ago. It works just fine. > > Ed ... > > David Goldman wrote: > > > > > On Fri, 12 May 2000, Andrew Scott Beals wrote: > > > > Speaking of GPS, anyone know of a little program that I could run to > set > > > > the clock on my thinkpad? I'm pretty sure that Street Atlas USA does > > > > NOT do that, which is totally dumb. > > > > > > Two suggestions: > > > > > > 1) Since you've got a wireless modem (as evidenced by your e-mail > address) > > > why not go to www.winfiles.com and download one of the Internet clock > > > setting shareware packages (like Atomic Time)? ... ------------------------- Tom Trottier, Abacurial IT Consulting ICQ: 57647974 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa Ontario Canada K1R 7S7 __o TomATrottier@home.com _ \< +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 (+)/'(+) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Sat May 13 23:24:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA31094 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:24:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13676; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 23:23:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13603; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13584; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 23:23:22 -0400 Received: from 452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000514032321.RNWR413.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@452366-a>; Sat, 13 May 2000 20:23:21 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: "James H. E. Maugham" , Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 23:23:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Floppy Cable for Dock II Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <391DE3E9.31700.25713E7@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <38CD221F.A93D8FA@gate.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi James, 701 & Dock II connector is small too. Tom At 2000 March 13 - Monday 13:18, James H. E. Maugham spoke about *RE: Floppy Cable for Dock II...* saying > Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] wrote: > > > BTW: the external floppy works on many thinkpads.. 365, 701, 760, 770, > > 560.. but not the 600 AFAIK for some reason.. > > (the 560 cable fits but does not work) > > Vastly different connecter Bill, at least on my 600s. It's literally half the > size of the Centronics connecter on the 7XXs. > > BTW, I've got an outboard FDD (Model PA8380A) from my old Toshiba that has the > right connecter but isn't accessible when I attach it to any of my units or the > Dock II. The TP loads both a floppy A and a floppy B, but neither can be read. > I'll have to open it up one of these days and see if it's a settings problem > internally. ------------------------- Tom Trottier, Abacurial IT Consulting ICQ: 57647974 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa Ontario Canada K1R 7S7 __o TomATrottier@home.com _ \< +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 (+)/'(+) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Sat May 13 23:29:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA31099 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:29:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14102; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 23:27:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14028; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:27:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14015; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:27:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 23:27:52 -0400 Received: from 452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000514032751.ROEE413.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@452366-a>; Sat, 13 May 2000 20:27:51 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 23:27:51 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: EZServe, Then & Now Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <391DE4F7.13543.25B3367@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: There are a variety of IBM sites available. NZ & Germany come to mind. Sometimes it's better to search with Google or other search engine. Tom At 2000 April 2 - Sunday 12:53, Jonathan Berry spoke about *Re: EZServe, Then & Now...* saying > IBM also pull drivers and docs off the net. There are no docs > or drivers for the 701-to-Dock II adaptor, for example. > > The documentation for drivers is often woefully inadequate. For > example, some drivers and their docs were apparently written in > the days of DOS. Even though the web site often shows that the > docs were updated a month ago, they often neglect to state > which operating system the driver is intended for or, to put it > another way, they neglect to tell you that the device requires > no drivers when run under Win95. > > Drivers are often hard to find at IBM's website, too. > > The organization of IBM's website, and its forums, are nothing > to brag about, either. ... ------------------------- Tom Trottier, Abacurial IT Consulting ICQ: 57647974 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa Ontario Canada K1R 7S7 __o TomATrottier@home.com _ \< +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 (+)/'(+) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Sat May 13 23:49:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA31171 for ; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:49:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14760; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:48:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 13 May 2000 23:48:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14687; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14674; Sat, 13 May 2000 23:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 23:48:25 -0400 Received: from 452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000514034824.RPSK413.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@452366-a>; Sat, 13 May 2000 20:48:24 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "Cottrell, Eric" Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 23:48:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Thinkpad and GPS (Garmin, Tripmate, Earthmate, etc). Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <391DE9C8.12681.26E02C7@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: To set the time on an NT PC from a GPS, See: http://www.bytefusion.com/presentensesvrnt.html or TimeServ in the NT resource kit. See details at http://www.niceties.com/TimeServ.html For refs on time service software, see http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~ntp/software.html ------------------------- Tom Trottier, Abacurial IT Consulting ICQ: 57647974 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa Ontario Canada K1R 7S7 __o TomATrottier@home.com _ \< +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 (+)/'(+) Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Sun May 14 00:07:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA31248 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 00:07:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15401; Sun, 14 May 2000 00:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 May 2000 00:05:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15327; Sun, 14 May 2000 00:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loomis.vermontel.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15314; Sun, 14 May 2000 00:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loomis.vermontel.net (204.164.106.19 -> loomis.vermontel.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 14 May 2000 00:05:35 -0400 Received: from netzero (whit1-161.vermontel.net [206.102.230.165]) by loomis.vermontel.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA66148 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 00:04:50 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pete@vermontel.net) From: "Pete Ferrand" To: Subject: TP Parallel Port Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 00:06:44 -0400 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <391DE4F7.13543.25B3367@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: There's some kind of oddity involving adding parallel port ethernet adaptors to TP's, in this case a 760ED. I've tried a Lancast ENC-4107 and a Xircom PE3 and they're both working but the TP running Windows 98SE won't load their drivers so they don't work with this machine. I'm running the newest drivers. I recall reading something about how to get this to work, but not enough to find it again. Thanks. -Pete Plainfield, NH From cph Sun May 14 01:14:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA31551 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 01:14:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17216; Sun, 14 May 2000 01:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 May 2000 01:12:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17071; Sun, 14 May 2000 01:12:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17052; Sun, 14 May 2000 01:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 14 May 2000 01:12:02 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-215.gate.net [199.227.131.24]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA49152; Sun, 14 May 2000 01:11:56 -0400 Message-ID: <391E35B0.77D1EBCC@gate.net> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 01:12:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Pete Ferrand CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Parallel Port References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Pete.. FWIW, i'm running a 3-com on my 760ED, with great reliability.. i think i had some trouble with a xircom, so i just switched.. both these are pcmcia cards.. Pete Ferrand wrote: > There's some kind of oddity involving adding parallel port > ethernet adaptors to TP's, in this case a 760ED. > > I've tried a Lancast ENC-4107 and a Xircom PE3 and they're both > working but the TP running Windows 98SE won't load their drivers > so they don't work with this machine. I'm running the newest > drivers. > > I recall reading something about how to get this to work, but not > enough to find it again. > > Thanks. > > -Pete > Plainfield, NH -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun May 14 01:35:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA31608 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 01:35:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17971; Sun, 14 May 2000 01:34:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 May 2000 01:33:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17896; Sun, 14 May 2000 01:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17883; Sun, 14 May 2000 01:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 14 May 2000 01:33:42 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-215.gate.net [199.227.131.24]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA19862; Sun, 14 May 2000 01:33:37 -0400 Message-ID: <391E3AC5.4383FD19@gate.net> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 01:33:57 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad and GPS (Garmin, Tripmate, Earthmate, etc). References: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1E19@exch1.smh.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: OK, guys.. gird your loins for yet another morrow tale.. :-) about 3 or 4 months before the gulf war, i got one of the first Trimble GPS receivers for my boat.. (cost $6000!!!).. it worked SO WELL (before SA was turned on) i could position myself within half the length of the boat (65ft.).. about 35 feet error.. i used it to travel to mystic from miami beach and only had trouble when the government just turned the thing off for a few days (still no 24hour coverage yet) while i was in beaufort, NC.. i used that same GPS to output (NMEA 0183) to a (non thinkpad) notebook and it kept track of where i was.. (lat/long) it was also connected to the autopilot and did such a great job, i learned very quickly NOT to use a bouy as a waypoint in the chesapeake bay.. (after THAT close call, i set waypoints at least 50 to 100 feet to one side of the charted position of a bouy).. AND it was connected to a chart plotter.. a few years ago (boat sold, now landed gentry) i got an ETAK pcmcia GPS and their mapping stuff.. worked very well in my 770-1AU.. now i use it on either a 600E (recently sold) and my 770Z (soon to be sold) with street atlas 6.. (set to NMEA 0183) output.. still works fine.. at the end of the month, a friend will deliver a boat to virginia using her 770E and a GPS for nav.. someday soon, i'll put the whole thing on one of my 701C's and see how that works.. (small footprint and it opens up flat) moral..? GPS is good stuff and works well on thinkpads, for a variety of jobs.. personally, i don't like the earthmate.. too big and yellow and the one i have (someplace) requires batteries or an accessory cable for power.. i don't like batteries and refuse to pay ($35~) for a power cable that should come with the unit.. "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" wrote: > Greeting, > > I have to admit that I'm enjoying this thread too. Beats hearing one more > time about the poor mWave support of Linux, etc. > > I've got the earthmate by DeLorme. It works well with my 600 and 770 (I'm > going to try it with a 730t this summer, as well). The software that ships > with the unit is good for making up custom "Triptiks". In the car, the > notebook is kind of a loser, however. It's a battery hog. It washes out in > sunlight. And it is big! If you don't have a passenger to care for the > Thinkpad, I think you're asking for trouble. Either it's going to get > damaged or you're going to get distracted and get yourself/your car damaged. > > My solution was to plot routes in the Thinkpad and then download them to my > Palm V via a Delorme program called Solus Pro. Delorme even sells an > adapter for the Palm. The Palm display works well and it is more readable > in direct sunlight. Also, the Palm will go all day on a single charge. > Finally, the long cord allows you to position the unit itself where it will > have a clear view of the sky. No, the maps on the Palm aren't very detailed, > but I print up detailed maps via the Thinkpad. > > Also, I noticed on one of the links mentioned in another post, the > government has turned off selective availability! Accuracy should be > outstanding now! > > Regards, > > Neil > > Numerous Thinkpads, > also a Sony PictureBook > > -----Original Message----- > From: Randal Whittle > To: Cottrell, Eric; TP List > Sent: 5/12/00 12:43 PM > Subject: Re: Thinkpad and GPS (Garmin, Tripmate, Earthmate, etc). > > At 12:12 PM 05/12/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >In general the newer 12 channel units are alot better than > >the old 5 or 8 channel units. > > More importantly is the ability for the newer units to track > these > satellites simultaneously in parallel (12 at a time--which is all that > is > visible at any given time), rather than multiplexing serially through a > limited number of others. > > My Garmin GPS III has been invaluable with all the travelling I > > do, and hooked to my TP with Street Atlas USA, it has saved my bacon a > number of times. > > - Randy -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun May 14 03:09:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA31942 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 03:09:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19811; Sun, 14 May 2000 03:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 May 2000 03:07:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19715; Sun, 14 May 2000 03:07:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19702; Sun, 14 May 2000 03:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.240 -> mta6.snfc21.pbi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 14 May 2000 03:07:20 -0400 Received: from chuck ([63.198.206.253]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FUJ00AAEFS164@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 14 May 2000 00:07:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 00:06:45 -0700 From: Chuck Blaisdell Subject: Microphone settings on 600E To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Message-id: <391DEE15.120.10B8F88@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal List-Unsubscribe: I'm trying to get a microphone to work on my 600E. I've tried 2 different microphones and get no input to sound recorder. It's hard for me to believe that either both microphones could be bad or that the mic jack on the 600E is bad. It seems more likely that I have the settings wrong in the Crystal Fusion control panels (the app you get when clicking on the tray speaker). Anybody care to share the settings for the control panels that work? Thanks From cph Sun May 14 04:23:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA32185 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 04:23:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24094; Sun, 14 May 2000 04:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 May 2000 04:20:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23873; Sun, 14 May 2000 04:20:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23846; Sun, 14 May 2000 04:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 14 May 2000 04:20:09 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA81347; Sun, 14 May 2000 01:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000514011341.0449ba00@houdini.dgoldman.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 01:19:30 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Microphone settings on 600E In-Reply-To: <391DEE15.120.10B8F88@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:06 AM 5/14/2000 , Chuck Blaisdell wrote: >I'm trying to get a microphone to work on my 600E. I've tried 2 different >microphones and get no input to sound recorder. It's hard for me to >believe that either both microphones could be bad or that the mic jack on >the 600E is bad. It seems more likely that I have the settings wrong in the >Crystal Fusion control panels (the app you get when clicking on the tray >speaker). > >Anybody care to share the settings for the control panels that work? On 11/7/98, I wrote the following to this very list: >I've got a brand new ThinkPad 380Z (PII-300, 96MB) that I've had for >less than 2 full weeks. Today I tried doing some audio recording using >the mike and speaker jacks on the side. The speaker jack works fine, >but the mike jack seems to be slightly out of wack. > >If I insert the mike jack all the way (just like I do for the speaker jack), >then the external mike is TOTALLY DEAF! However, if I put the mike >jack in all but the last 1/16" (or so), then the external microphone seems >to work just fine. Unfortunately, I have to fiddle with the jack until I get it >just right before I can start recording. > >Does anybody else have this problem on a 380Z? How about on other >ThinkPad models? I can't afford to lose the machine for a week while >I send it in for repair. Is there any alternative (other than live with the >problem)? Lucky for me, Mr. Birger Petterson responded almost immediately: >You need ThinkPad Adapter Converter or Bias Battery Box. >Go to www.speechcontrol.com to see photos and read article on mikes. >Nothing wrong with your ThinkPad. I tend to think the same is true for you. I purchased and installed one of the ThinkPad Adapter Converters and my problem went away, never to return. PS. Thanks again Birger. -- David Goldman From cph Sun May 14 07:41:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA09670 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 07:41:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03800; Sun, 14 May 2000 07:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 May 2000 07:35:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03664; Sun, 14 May 2000 07:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loomis.vermontel.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03650; Sun, 14 May 2000 07:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loomis.vermontel.net (204.164.106.19 -> loomis.vermontel.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 14 May 2000 07:35:46 -0400 Received: from netzero (whit1-136.vermontel.net [206.102.230.140]) by loomis.vermontel.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA90981; Sun, 14 May 2000 07:34:58 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pete@vermontel.net) From: "Pete Ferrand" To: Cc: Subject: RE: TP Parallel Port Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 07:36:53 -0400 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <391E35B0.77D1EBCC@gate.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > Pete.. > FWIW, i'm running a 3-com on my 760ED, with great reliability.. > i think i had some trouble with a xircom, so i just switched.. > > both these are pcmcia cards.. Good of you to respond, but that would be a real nuisance. Why plug and unplug a network pcmcia card every time I had the machine here, when I can just set the machine down on the SelectDock I and have the network come up thru the parallel port, to which the adaptor could be connected? No, I don't want to use a network card in the dock's slot. The parallel port adaptors work, the TP works, and I'd like to use them as they were intended. -Pete Plainfield, NH From cph Sun May 14 07:55:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA09713 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 07:55:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04319; Sun, 14 May 2000 07:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 May 2000 07:50:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04245; Sun, 14 May 2000 07:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04232; Sun, 14 May 2000 07:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 14 May 2000 07:50:15 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA24303 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 12:50:13 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (pri08.dialup [152.78.68.233]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA21846 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 12:50:12 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005141150.MAA21846@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 12:57:48 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000514011341.0449ba00@houdini.dgoldman.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Microphone settings on 600E List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id HAA04319 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id HAA09714 On Sun, 14 May 2000 01:19:30 -0700, David Goldman wrote: >>If I insert the mike jack all the way (just like I do for the speaker jack), >>then the external mike is TOTALLY DEAF! However, if I put the mike >>jack in all but the last 1/16" (or so), then the external microphone seems >>to work just fine. Unfortunately, I have to fiddle with the jack until I get it >>just right before I can start recording. If you have this 'effect', that you have to possition your jack in some way so that it works, then its because either the jack or the 'plug' is mono and the other is in stereo! Yes there are mono and stereo plugs & jacks. For example the old Sun Sparc microphones. So there isn't any problem with your hardware! PS: to see if a jack is mono or stereo then you need to look for one/two black strips. If it has two then its split in a two way channel which is for stereo else its mono. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun May 14 13:32:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA11165 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 13:32:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14285; Sun, 14 May 2000 13:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 May 2000 13:28:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14041; Sun, 14 May 2000 13:28:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14028; Sun, 14 May 2000 13:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 14 May 2000 13:28:49 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA88874; Sun, 14 May 2000 10:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000514102108.00cf89d0@houdini.dgoldman.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 10:28:16 -0700 To: "thinkpad" From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Microphone settings on 600E In-Reply-To: <200005141150.MAA21846@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <4.2.1.20000514011341.0449ba00@houdini.dgoldman.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:57 AM 5/14/2000 , sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S. wrote: >On Sun, 14 May 2000 01:19:30 -0700, David Goldman wrote: > > >>If I insert the mike jack all the way (just like I do for the speaker jack), > >>then the external mike is TOTALLY DEAF! However, if I put the mike > >>jack in all but the last 1/16" (or so), then the external microphone seems > >>to work just fine. Unfortunately, I have to fiddle with the jack until I get it > >>just right before I can start recording. > >If you have this 'effect', that you have to possition your jack in some way >so that it works, then its because either the jack or the 'plug' is mono >and the other is in stereo! > >Yes there are mono and stereo plugs & jacks. For example the >old Sun Sparc microphones. > >So there isn't any problem with your hardware! > >PS: >to see if a jack is mono or stereo then you >need to look for one/two black strips. If it has >two then its split in a two way channel which is >for stereo else its mono. I had tried a number of MONO mikes before posting. They all had the same problem. A mono mike should work on one channel in a stereo jack (IIRC). Once I got the Thinkpad mike adapter, my problems went away. According to David Ross : >This is probably still your internal microphone; the external mic needs extra >voltage. Get the ThinkPad mic adapter from www.speechcontrol.com . PS. I never isolated the fault or placed blame on any piece of equipment. All I know is that I've seen this problem discussed on this list before and, at least for me, once I started using the Thinkpad mike adapter, the problem went away. From cph Sun May 14 15:09:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA11725 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 15:09:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22583; Sun, 14 May 2000 15:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 May 2000 15:07:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22172; Sun, 14 May 2000 15:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22159; Sun, 14 May 2000 15:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 14 May 2000 15:07:13 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.249.116]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000514190712.HQZD1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net> for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 19:07:12 +0000 Message-ID: <391EF910.4280846F@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 15:05:52 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: External Microphones on Thinkpads. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id PAA22583 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA11726 This question pops up quite often. So I'll post this info. Microphone connections for electret type of microphones used on IBM PC compatible computers for voice recognition. The majority of the above microphones terminate with a 1/8 inch stereo phono plug. It is also known as a 3.5 mm stereo phono plug. The tip accepts a bias voltage, which is a positive DC voltage. This voltage can range from 3 to 9 volts DC. The middle connector is generally not connected to anything. The third connector is generally the ground or shield connection. Some soundcards on desktops provide a positive D.C. voltage on the third connector. Andrea furnishes a black connector, which reverses the connection of the tip and the third connector. The Shure 505 microphone requires a positive D.C. voltage on the middle connector. To get around this problem you can use a headphone adapter which you can obtain from Radio Shack number 274-368 a. If your desktop sound card has an amplifier that is too powerful, then you can use the gray plug that Andrea furnishes. This cuts down on the microphone input. On a IBM ThinkPads which have a stereo microphone input, but which does not provide a positive DC voltage to the tip of the microphone plug, has a outer ring which looks silver in color. This outer ring is supplied with a positive 5.0 DC voltage through a 2.7 k ohm resistor. You can use a ThinkPad adapter converter available from Andrea which will provide bias voltage for your microphone. Andrea also furnishes a bias battery box which furnishes DC voltage for your microphone. There are some desktop soundcards which supplies a positive DC voltage to the tip of the electret microphone which is not adequate. The use of a bias battery box in this situation will help the microphone to work properly. The mini phono plug is even smaller than the 1/8 inch or 3.5 mm phono plug that I have been discussing. If you are using a Jabra ear microphone with your cellular phone, then you will know what the mini phono plug is. There are other types of microphones which are used for voice recognition which I have not discussed. If you wish to know more about microphones from a layman's point of view, you can read an article that I wrote for http://www.speechcontrol.com Adapters, Battery bias boxes, microphones etc can be obtained at the above. Please note that microphone makers sometimes change their features and specifications without notice. Also; Dynamic microphones do not require bias voltage. Some Condenser microphone have a battery included for its power requirements. The ThinkPad Manual does state– well you look for it. Birger I do not sell anything. 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun May 14 18:21:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA12440 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 18:21:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09577; Sun, 14 May 2000 18:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 May 2000 18:20:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09463; Sun, 14 May 2000 18:20:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09450; Sun, 14 May 2000 18:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 14 May 2000 18:20:10 -0400 Received: from 216-164-136-84.s84.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.136.84] helo=localhost.localdomain) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12r6k5-00034N-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 14 May 2000 18:20:09 -0400 From: Rusty Lingenfelter Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 23:22:08 GMT Message-ID: <20000514.23220800@localhost.localdomain> Subject: RE: Floppy Cable for Dock II To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; StarOffice/5.1; Linux) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA12441 Hi, I have a drive that has the connector that fits the Dock II. It is FRU P/N 46H5749. It is an external floppy enclosure for some model of TP. Don't know which one. It seems to work OK with mine. The cable is not detachable. I looked for a cable only and could not find one that fit. Good luck. Rusty From cph Sun May 14 18:34:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA12504 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 18:34:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10213; Sun, 14 May 2000 18:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 May 2000 18:34:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10134; Sun, 14 May 2000 18:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10116; Sun, 14 May 2000 18:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 14 May 2000 18:33:58 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.3.220]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000514223357.LUMB3646.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Sun, 14 May 2000 22:33:57 +0000 Message-ID: <391F29F3.18C7@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 18:34:28 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rusty Lingenfelter CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Floppy Cable for Dock II References: <20000514.23220800@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The standard 755/760 external floppy drive box fits the DOck 2. I sell these on ebay for $35.00 - you do need to add a760 style floppy drive. Rusty Lingenfelter wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a drive that has the connector that fits the Dock II. It is FRU > P/N 46H5749. It is an external floppy enclosure for some model of TP. > Don't know which one. It seems to work OK with mine. The cable is not > detachable. I looked for a cable only and could not find one that fit. > Good luck. > > Rusty From cph Sun May 14 20:14:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA12813 for ; Sun, 14 May 2000 20:14:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13396; Sun, 14 May 2000 20:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 14 May 2000 20:13:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13254; Sun, 14 May 2000 20:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13241; Sun, 14 May 2000 20:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 14 May 2000 20:13:01 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a26.pm3-45.theriver.com [206.102.195.234]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF4D25CBB; Sun, 14 May 2000 17:12:58 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <391F410B.72B4B70F@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 17:12:59 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rusty Lingenfelter Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Floppy Cable for Dock II References: <20000514.23220800@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Rusty Lingenfelter wrote: > > Hi, > > I have a drive that has the connector that fits the Dock II. It is FRU > P/N 46H5749. It is an external floppy enclosure for some model of TP. > Don't know which one. It seems to work OK with mine. The cable is not > detachable. I looked for a cable only and could not find one that fit. > Good luck. Sprry for the double replies: It is an external floppy drive enclosure for the TP755/TP760's that came with an internal CD drive. I have one for my TP760ED. It will work with the Dock II's external floppy port as long as you use one of the IBM Thinkpad internal floppy drives. Both the 2.88 and 1.44 drives work in these enclosures. James Mckenzie From cph Mon May 15 00:23:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA13583 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 00:22:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20464; Mon, 15 May 2000 00:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 00:20:47 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA20275; Mon, 15 May 2000 00:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 00:20:46 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id AAA17465 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 15 May 2000 00:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03512; Sat, 13 May 2000 05:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 13 May 2000 05:03:53 -0400 Received: from user-38lcpmi.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcpmi.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.102.210]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA20932; Sat, 13 May 2000 05:03:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005130903.FAA20932@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Garrett Kaste" , "ThinkPad" Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 05:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000512194246.13880.qmail@web3805.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Swap files on secondary hard drive List-Unsubscribe: >From what I have read, putting the swapper file on the least used drive is generaly sound advice. On my Warp system, the swapper file is on drive 2, as well as on a Windose95 system. On the dos95 system I let the OS manage the size. On the Warp system, I set it to what it uses, plus a spare amount. If you set it too small, the system may crash. OTOH setting it to one size speeds things up a little. On my 760XL 104Mb system, the swapper is on the primary drive, but it is set to a size based on trial and error. On Fri, 12 May 2000 12:42:46 -0700 (PDT), Garrett Kaste wrote: >I know that having a second hard drive to dedicate to >windows swap files can speed up your system, and it >works well on my p3. I have a 340mb PCMCIA hard drive >that I could use with my 760xd laptop. Does anyone >know if PCMCIA will be too slow to do this or >anything. I have 104mb ram, and I dont recall how >much you should have dedicated per meg of ram. If any >one knows that would be greatly appreciated. > >Thanks >Garrett Kaste. > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Mon May 15 01:49:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA13922 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 01:49:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23151; Mon, 15 May 2000 01:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 01:47:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23043; Mon, 15 May 2000 01:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23030; Mon, 15 May 2000 01:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.32 -> smtp.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 01:47:25 -0400 Received: from s3212.south-green.ohiou.edu (HELO daveb) (132.235.155.212) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2000 22:47:22 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Dave B." To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: Swap files on secondary hard drive Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 01:47:15 -0400 Keywords: Miscellaneous Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200005130903.FAA20932@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: If you were placing the swap file on an internal drive connected directly to the IDE controller, I'd say yes, you could do it without a major loss in performance. However, you're wanting to put it on a hard drive with a PC Card interface. I wouldn't suggest this for two reasons: 1.) The standard 16-bit PC Card interface can't transfer data fast enough. Swap files, aka virtual memory, are slow enough as it is; putting one on an external bus in a manner of speaking, it slowing it down more. 2.) This forces you to carry along your external drive at all times. I don't know what Windows does if/when it can't find its swap drive, but I'd bet it isn't pretty. :-) I've found the best way to keep Windows running fast and reliably is to turn off every feature you can find that you aren't using, defrag regularly--at least once a month--and keep at least a few hundred MB free on your hard drive. Dave > -----Original Message----- > >I know that having a second hard drive to dedicate to > >windows swap files can speed up your system, and it > >works well on my p3. I have a 340mb PCMCIA hard drive > >that I could use with my 760xd laptop. Does anyone > >know if PCMCIA will be too slow to do this or > >anything. I have 104mb ram, and I dont recall how > >much you should have dedicated per meg of ram. If any > >one knows that would be greatly appreciated. > > > >Thanks > >Garrett Kaste. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Mon May 15 01:50:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA13926 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 01:50:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23401; Mon, 15 May 2000 01:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 01:48:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23328; Mon, 15 May 2000 01:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23315; Mon, 15 May 2000 01:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.240 -> mta6.snfc21.pbi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 01:48:49 -0400 Received: from chuck ([63.201.80.17]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FUL006NQ6QSE5@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 14 May 2000 22:47:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 14 May 2000 22:46:36 -0700 From: Chuck Blaisdell Subject: OFF Topic: Toshiba Laptop Memory wanted To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Message-id: <391F2CCC.4771.5E8B79D@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal List-Unsubscribe: Excuse the off-topic post; but enough of you seem to be multi-brand that I'll ask anyway (and only once): WTB: 16 or 32mb memory for a Toshiba 430CDT TIA From cph Mon May 15 07:01:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA15077 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 07:01:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08782; Mon, 15 May 2000 06:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 06:58:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08649; Mon, 15 May 2000 06:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08636; Mon, 15 May 2000 06:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 06:58:35 -0400 Received: from wald5 (adsl-141-155-115-40.bellatlantic.net [141.155.115.40]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA06080 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 06:58:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: A20p review Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 06:58:46 -0400 Keywords: Miscellaneous Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Here is PC Magazine's glowing review for the A20p. http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2567753,00.html Best regards, Bill Armstrong From cph Mon May 15 09:42:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA15851 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:42:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16042; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 09:41:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15958; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15945; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 09:41:21 -0400 Received: from 216-164-132-242.s496.tnt2.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.132.242]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12rL7X-0004TF-00; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:41:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:41:27 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <17403.000515@erols.com> To: Jane Loyless CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re[2]: are tp warranties transferrable? In-reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000513221636.0147b9a0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> References: <3.0.1.32.20000513221636.0147b9a0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Two more questions on transferring warranties: 1) is there a URL where I can check a machine's serial number to see what warranty is left BEFORE I buy it? 2) can i purchase an extended warranty on a used machine? Thanks to all who replied. BTW, there appears to be a new scammer on Yahoo; see the feedback for this "seller" who is now also operating as "coollaptops". http://page.auctions.yahoo.com/auction/24961945 -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Mon May 15 10:35:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA16173 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:35:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19492; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 10:34:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19409; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19395; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 10:34:14 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id JAA02540 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:34:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.185.103]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id JAA02524 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:34:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000515103333.0144c520@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:33:33 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Re[2]: are tp warranties transferrable? In-Reply-To: <17403.000515@erols.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20000513221636.0147b9a0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <3.0.1.32.20000513221636.0147b9a0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:41 AM 05/15/2000 -0400, Donald MacQueen wrote: >1) is there a URL where I can check a machine's serial >number to see what warranty is left BEFORE I buy it? > Don't know of any web site, but what I have done is call the help line at 800.772.2227 and ask them. They'll look up the serial number and tell you how much is left. >2) can i purchase an extended warranty on a used machine? > Don't know. From cph Mon May 15 10:53:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA16372 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:53:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20542; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 10:52:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20430; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inwave.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20415; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inwave.com (206.101.238.8 -> iria.inwave.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 10:52:06 -0400 Received: from carolp [209.83.110.190] by inwave.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A00F3E80298; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:56:15 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Carol Pease" To: "William Armstrong" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: A20p review Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:53:49 -0500 Keywords: Miscellaneous Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: OHHHH! I ordered one! Can't wait to get my hands on it! My hubby is dying for my cast-off 770X. Thanks for posting the review. I can't wait!!! Carol ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ROCKFORD'S TOP PRODUCING ON-LINE AGENT! -------------------------------------------- Carol Pease, ABR Office: 815-395-6873 Whitehead, Inc Realtors|Home: 815-282-8721 5100 E State St | Toll Free: 888-478-4910 Rockford, IL 61108 Fax: 815-229-0320 mailto:Carol@carolpease.com http://www.carolpease.com ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Licensed in the state of Illinois From cph Mon May 15 11:14:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA16620 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:14:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22247; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 11:12:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22155; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firefly.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22142; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firefly.cisco.com (171.69.63.22 -> firefly.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 11:12:26 -0400 Received: from tricent (dhcp-171-69-66-157.cisco.com [171.69.66.157]) by firefly.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with SMTP id IAA24173 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 08:12:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tony Rice" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: Delorme Street Atlas 7.0 & Earthmate GPS screen snapshots Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 08:12:25 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1E19@exch1.smh.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Also, I noticed on one of the links mentioned in another post, the > government has turned off selective availability! Accuracy should be > outstanding now! This explains why I was getting 8' accuracy last week. I used my Earthmate GPS all day yesterday, in the air and on the ground. I finally tried it out on a plane. It had some trouble getting a good fix sitting on the seat next to me, once I put it up to the window it locked in and gave wonderful results. It's thin enough to fit between the window and the draw down shade, which is where it stayed from Detroit until my laptop battery ran out south of Sioux Falls, SD. A screen snapshot is available at: http://tonyrice.home.mindspring.com/gps_screen.gif (128k) For those of you who already have Street Atlas 7.0 (whether or not you have a GPS), you can download the log file and play it back. http://tonyrice.home.mindspring.com/flight_IAD-SJC.gpl (356k) I visited some friends in Sacramento last night and my TP600E was along for the ride in the passenger seat of the rental car, strapped in nice and tight. The voice navigation feature is very nice and keeps you from constantly looking at the screen. The back on track feature is a life saver. I took a wrong exit and it got me back where I needed to be (all with voice navigation, within minutes.) Again it takes a lot longer to find a fix than the more expensive GPS's and the software has it's quirks but for the money you cant beat it. From cph Mon May 15 11:22:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA16698 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:22:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23045; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 11:21:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22955; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22938; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (208.139.144.3 -> mail.advi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 11:21:16 -0400 Received: from ecamin (s13354086.advi.net [208.133.54.86]) by mail.advi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA05824; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001501bfbe80$fe86c640$563685d0@ecamin> From: "Edwin A Camin" To: "Peter Machule" Cc: "thinkpad" References: <001801bfbce9$3ca7e060$3d3685d0@ecamin> <006901bfbd00$ef75fd00$40f70c18@frndl1.wa.home.com> Subject: Re: Atomtime.exe !!!!!! Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:19:38 -0400 Organization: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Sorry. I didn't think it went. So stupidly I sent it again. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Machule To: Edwin A Camin Cc: thinkpad Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2000 1:30 PM Subject: Re: Atomtime.exe !!!!!! > EDWIN !!!! > > NEVER Do that again !!! > You do NOT send an unsoliceted 150K exe file to a mailing list . > And then to do it twice ?????? > > ..peter > > > From cph Mon May 15 11:29:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA16781 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:29:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23690; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:28:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 11:28:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23603; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23590; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (129.97.140.200 -> plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 11:28:36 -0400 Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (migod@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA17806 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005151528.LAA17806@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-url: http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/ X-image-url: http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/migod.jpg Subject: elephants and hats Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:28:35 -0400 From: "Michael W. Godfrey" List-Unsubscribe: I bought one of those hats when I did a student research term at (drum roll) ... IBM. The IBM Toronto lab, where they do a lot of development on VisualAge and DB/2, is right next to the plaza with the original Tilley store. I love the hat. Rhetorical question: Are the new thinkpads named Model-T and Model-A because they only come in black? > Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 22:48:55 -0400 > From: "Tom Trottier" > To: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Elephant (was Re: The UK plans.) > > (text/plain) > Hi Jonathan, > > Tilley advertises the strength of their floppy hats. Apparently one > belonging to an elephant zookeeper has gone thru an elephant a few > times with no serious effects. > See http://www.abcnews.go.com/sections/us/DailyNews/wolffiles49.html > > Clean-up is probably easier than with a laptop... > > Tom From cph Mon May 15 11:44:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA16926 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:44:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24716; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 11:42:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24617; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:42:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24603; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 11:42:25 -0400 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA29277 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port78.magma.ca [209.217.123.78]) by mail4.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA24711 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005151542.LAA24711@mail4.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:41:01 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Question re: monitor List-Unsubscribe: Hello! I've been looking at desktop monitors to replace my dead one. One that is highly rated in a ZD review is the IBM P92, now replaced by the P96. It's a 19" FD Triniton. Surprisingly they were down on the Mitsubishi 900u. Most of these monitors seem to have a choice of DB15 or 5xBNC inputs. But the specs on the IBM monitor imply the cable is hard-wired to the monitor. Is anyone familiar with this monitor? Is it hard-wired? If so, am I correct in thinking it's hard-wired in a good way, equivalent to the 5xBNC? (It's about C$50 more than the Mitsubishi, but a BNC monitor cable costs ~C$40). (BTW, I know this is total overkill for my TP600's resolution, but I'm getting a desktop machine that will drive it acceptably). Thanks! andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Mon May 15 12:58:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA17598 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:58:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00078; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:57:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 12:56:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29980; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.sisna.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29967; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.sisna.com (216.126.204.54 -> mail.sisna.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 12:56:55 -0400 Received: from n7jau [207.170.236.198] by mail.sisna.com (SMTPD32-6.00) id AA621D73011E; Mon, 15 May 2000 10:48:34 -0600 Message-ID: <005201bfbe8f$989a19e0$c6ecaacf@n7jau> Reply-To: "DELAR MESSMORE" From: "DELAR MESSMORE" To: Subject: RTFM ? Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:04:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004F_01BFBE54.EB1DEB00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01BFBE54.EB1DEB00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You all know what RTFM is, right? ( Read the xxxxxxx manual).. Well, I = don't HAVE the manual, and worse, it gets complicated. Started out with a thinkpad 360 c, 486-33, 810 mb/ 20 mb, W9x, worked = for awhile and DIED. Stupid-bought 360 PE (misrepresented by mail) used board to resurrect = above Not Stupid--paid way less for 750-755?? 586-133 with sound card, put IT = into 360 c Ok OK --paid little for 360c, no fd, hd, bat or AC for my dos/w31, = put 360 pe fd into it So now I have a "360" running at 133? with Win9x, but sound card wont = work I have a 360 33 Dos/w31, works = fine BUT I dont have, never had the manual(s) for the 360 or the 75x? that I = now have in the one machine. Confused? metoo. I DID find a bunch of stuff at ibm, and downloaded it, but some of it is = confusing. Apparently some of the stuff is updates for original stuff = and replaces earlier, but this is hard to sort out. What I really need = is to get back to "original" and start from there. I did get pcmcia to = work in both machines,=20 I do know that there used to be an "online" manual in my original = thinkpad, but seems to have disappeared. Hope this is not all too confusing, but if its any help, I am further = along now that I was a few months ago, when I had a dead 360 and about = $1000.00 dollars invested into it later, and thanks, Delar ------=_NextPart_000_004F_01BFBE54.EB1DEB00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You all know what RTFM is, right? ( = Read the=20 xxxxxxx manual).. Well, I don't HAVE the manual, and worse, it gets=20 complicated.
 
Started out with a thinkpad  360 = c, 486-33,=20 810 mb/ 20 mb, W9x, worked for awhile and DIED.
 
Stupid-bought 360 PE (misrepresented by = mail) used=20 board to resurrect above
 
Not Stupid--paid way less for 750-755?? = 586-133=20 with sound card, put IT into 360 c
 
Ok OK     --paid = little for=20 360c, no fd, hd, bat or AC for my dos/w31, put 360 pe fd into = it
 
So now I have a "360" running at = 133?  with=20 Win9x, but sound card wont work
 
          &nbs= p; I have=20 a=20 360           &nbs= p;        =20 33       Dos/w31, works fine
 
BUT I dont have, never had the = manual(s) for the=20 360 or the 75x? that I now have in the one machine.  Confused?=20 metoo.
 
I DID find a bunch of stuff at ibm, and = downloaded=20 it, but some of it is confusing.  Apparently some of the stuff is = updates=20 for original stuff and replaces earlier, but this is hard to sort = out. =20 What I really need is to get back to "original" and start from = there.  I=20 did get pcmcia to work in both machines,
 
I do know that there used to be an = "online" manual=20 in my original thinkpad, but seems to have disappeared.
 
Hope this is not all too confusing, but = if its any=20 help, I am further along now that  I was a few months ago, when I = had a=20 dead 360 and about $1000.00 dollars invested into it   later, = and=20 thanks, Delar
------=_NextPart_000_004F_01BFBE54.EB1DEB00-- From cph Mon May 15 13:00:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA17628 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 13:00:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00389; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:59:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 12:58:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00303; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:58:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00281; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 12:58:51 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a27.pm3-15.theriver.com [208.164.96.91]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE40A25CE0; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:58:44 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3920299C.16AE356C@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 09:45:16 -0700 From: Steve Canyon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andrew Webber Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Question re: monitor References: <200005151542.LAA24711@mail4.magma.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: We have owned several IBM's in 17, 19, and 20 inch... which are just Black Sony Trinitron's as near as I could tell... very good flat screens, good color, straight lines, no pin cushion, etc... but not nearly as reliable as the ViewSonics and Cornerstones... and they cost a LOT more... I would look at all the top 10 monitors... you won't find much difference between them, look at warrantees, because the warrantee makes a big difference if they replace rather than repair... and if they are proud enough of their stuff to have a long long warrantee... We have had excellent luck with Princetons, Panasonic's, Cornerstones, and others which were as much as $300 less expensive than the IBM... and fit the 600 just as well Steve From cph Mon May 15 14:30:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA18323 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:30:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06657; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 14:25:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06385; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06330; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay20.smtp.psi.net (38.8.20.2 -> relay20.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 14:25:16 -0400 Received: from [204.215.186.11] (helo=ntmail.doble.com) by relay20.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 12rPY8-0004Md-00; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:25:05 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:26:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: List Info? Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 14:26:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I want to send email giving information about this list to a person that just bought a Thinkpad 730T. I cannot seem to find information on how to subscribe. In fact I tried to get the unsubscribe information >from the headers and I cannot figure out how to do it in Outlook 2000. I would appeciate the info. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From cph Mon May 15 14:38:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA18387 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:38:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07438; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:36:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 14:36:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07357; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07344; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:36:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 14:36:37 -0400 Received: from default ([12.72.0.126]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000515183632.CONT9011.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@default> for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:36:32 +0000 Message-ID: <39201882.7E2E@att.net> Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:32:18 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600X Fan question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm the new owner of a 600x PIII500 which I am happy with... but I'm wondering if the fan is operating properly... it comes on after about 30 minutes of use and generally stays on until the computer is shut down or put into hibernation... its not loud or anything, but I'm just curious if it should be shutting down periodically when the interior of the computer is cooled, or if the temperature stays at a point where it is needed all the time after a period of use Thanks for any advice From cph Mon May 15 14:51:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA18505 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:51:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08459; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:48:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 14:48:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08373; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08351; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:48:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (24.1.227.2 -> cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 14:48:25 -0400 Received: (from rutledge@localhost) by cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id LAA32500; Mon, 15 May 2000 11:48:20 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 11:48:19 -0700 From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" To: "Cottrell, Eric" Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: List Info? Message-ID: <20000515114819.B32428@electron.quantum.int> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Cottrell, Eric on Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:26:20PM -0400 List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:26:20PM -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: > I want to send email giving information about this list to a person that > just bought a Thinkpad 730T. Excellent, somebody else to maybe help figure out how to get Linux working with it. > I cannot seem to find information on how to subscribe. In fact I tried to > get the unsubscribe information thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu apparently. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 From cph Mon May 15 15:04:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA18619 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 15:04:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09628; Mon, 15 May 2000 15:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 15:02:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09525; Mon, 15 May 2000 15:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09511; Mon, 15 May 2000 15:02:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 15:02:29 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id OAA20836 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:02:28 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.185.103]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id OAA20829 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 14:02:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000515150147.0144c320@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: jloyless@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 15:01:47 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: List Info? In-Reply-To: <20000515114819.B32428@electron.quantum.int> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:48 AM 05/15/2000 -0700, Shawn T. Rutledge wrote: >Excellent, somebody else to maybe help figure out how to get Linux working >with it. > I thought there was a separate list just for getting Linux working on ThinkPads. Did it die out? From cph Mon May 15 15:28:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA18834 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 15:28:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11528; Mon, 15 May 2000 15:27:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 15:26:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11428; Mon, 15 May 2000 15:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11413; Mon, 15 May 2000 15:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (204.181.58.66 -> p204.181.58.66.syspac.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 15:26:35 -0400 Received: (from jones@localhost) by box3.pyrrhusoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id MAA07228; Mon, 15 May 2000 12:25:34 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 12:25:34 -0700 Message-Id: <200005151925.MAA07228@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> From: David Jones To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: List Info? List-Unsubscribe: To subscribe to the "Linux on ThinkPad" list send a message body containing: subscribe linux-thinkpad to: majordomo@bm-soft.com From cph Mon May 15 16:02:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA19208 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:01:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13510; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 15:59:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13357; Mon, 15 May 2000 15:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13341; Mon, 15 May 2000 15:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 15:59:53 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA13329; Mon, 15 May 2000 09:59:42 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002d01bfbea8$3f3cde00$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Steve Canyon" , "Andrew Webber" Cc: References: <200005151542.LAA24711@mail4.magma.ca> <3920299C.16AE356C@theriver.com> Subject: [TO- OT] Re: Question re: monitor Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 10:00:40 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "We have owned several IBM's in 17, 19, and 20 inch... which are just Black Sony Trinitron's as near as I could tell... very good flat screens, good color, straight lines, no pin cushion, etc... but not nearly as reliable as the ViewSonics and Cornerstones... and they cost a LOT more..." The G series tends to be Invar shadow mask (like the Cornerstone's Hitachi tubes), the P series Trinitron. The usual rule of thumb - blurring with improved technology - is that shadow mask is better for pure text, trinitron is better for geometry and color accuracy. IBM does a lot of value-adding on their monitors, especially the P series, and have largely different electronic innards than the comparable Sonys - just the same picture tubes. W/r to the cabling, it is not uncommon for high-end monitors to come with both BNC and DB15; the same signals are there until the very end, BNC is considered a less noisy connection, but the DB15 is plug and play. (Or so I gleaned while lurking on the Usenet's comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video newsgroup a couple of months ago prefatory to buying a new monitor - a useful exercise, BTW, there are some pretty savvy people there.) - David R. From cph Mon May 15 18:07:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA20379 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:07:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21724; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 18:05:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21498; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21481; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (206.191.0.250 -> mx2.magma.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 18:05:56 -0400 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6.magma.ca [206.191.0.248]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA20618 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port78.magma.ca [209.217.123.78]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA20275 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:05:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005152205.SAA20275@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:04:30 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <002d01bfbea8$3f3cde00$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TO- OT] Question re: monitor List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 15 May 2000 10:00:40 -1000, David Ross wrote: >The usual rule of thumb - blurring with improved >technology - is that shadow mask is better for pure >text, trinitron is better for geometry and color >accuracy. And FD Trinitron (or other really-flat) is better for avoiding reflection and glare. I really need the sharper text more than colour accuracy, but I really want the flatness. :( Although I just have an old 20" Toshiba TV, I love walking through TV stores (e.g. GoodGuys in Long Beach CA) and trying to pick out the Sony Wega (FD Trinitron). It's usually quite easy, it's the only one without any glare, even from across the store/warehouse. >W/r to the cabling, it is not uncommon for high-end >monitors to come with both BNC and DB15; the same >signals are there until the very end, BNC is considered >a less noisy connection, but the DB15 is plug and play. I didn't think of plug&play, but at a former employer, we had a 20" monitor on a machine with a Matrox EISA card (7MB RAM on the card, ~C$2000!) and I think a proprietary connector. When we later upgraded the machine, we tried a DB15 cable with a new ATI card, and the sharpness was quite poor. Switched to a BNC video cable and it was much better. Which is why I'm surprised the P96 seems to be hard-wired, and why I was hoping it was equivalent to the BNC. >(Or so I gleaned while lurking on the Usenet's >comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.video newsgroup a couple of >months ago prefatory to buying a new monitor - a >useful exercise, BTW, there are some pretty savvy >people there.) Thanks for the pointer! andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Mon May 15 19:31:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA20910 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:31:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26027; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 19:30:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25896; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25883; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 19:30:02 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.174.58]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:30:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id TAA26374 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:29:36 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 19:29:35 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [730T]: Specs for touchscreen driver? Linux support? In-Reply-To: <200005152306.TAA24845@cs.utk.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi, My name is George, I recently got a nice deal on a Thinkpad 730 with batteries and all, so now I'm trying to put together a Linux installation on it. I figure I can probably get Linux itself on there pretty easily, just need another Linux system with PCMCIA support - the problem is to really take advantage of this computer I'm gonna need to use the digitizer, and I can't seem to find any information on how to write such a driver, much less one already written. So, I have to go fishing - anyone know if there's a driver, or any bits of technical information that might be useful in writing a new one? ---GEC Projects page: http://tetsujin.sourceforge.net/ GAIM/AOL IM: Tetsujin0 - Message anytime -- ICQ: 46909656 - I never use it From cph Mon May 15 19:49:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA21031 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:49:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26896; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 19:47:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26823; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26809; Mon, 15 May 2000 19:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (24.1.227.2 -> cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 19:47:21 -0400 Received: (from rutledge@localhost) by cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id QAA01131 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 15 May 2000 16:47:19 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 16:47:19 -0700 From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 730T hard drive Message-ID: <20000515164719.F594@electron.quantum.int> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i List-Unsubscribe: I guess I've been on this list, and it's just been quiet... I forgot I was on it. Anyway my ongoing problem with my 730T is the problems with the PCMCIA hard drive... it hangs when the kernel first tries to find out about its geometry on bootup, and also anytime I try to use fdisk. It eventually times out and continues, but with errors. Does anybody actually have Linux booting from a PCMCIA hard disk? -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 From cph Mon May 15 20:10:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA21135 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:10:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28175; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 20:08:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28102; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28089; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 20:08:31 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.174.58]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:08:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id UAA26523; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:08:05 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:08:05 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: "Shawn T. Rutledge" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 730T hard drive In-Reply-To: <20000515164719.F594@electron.quantum.int> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 15 May 2000, Shawn T. Rutledge wrote: > Anyway my ongoing problem with my 730T is the problems with the PCMCIA > hard drive... it hangs when the kernel first tries to find out about > its geometry on bootup, and also anytime I try to use fdisk. It eventually > times out and continues, but with errors. > > Does anybody actually have Linux booting from a PCMCIA hard disk? I haven't gotten quite that far myself. Looking through some list archives I did see someone saying they'd done it, but there's no way I could confirm that. Perhaps the IBM BIOS doesn't report the geometry in a very linux-friendly way - if you're booting from LILO or another bootloader that lets you specify kernel parameters, you can set the geometry yourself (the hdparm switch, I think). What kernel are you trying to boot? ---GEC Projects page: http://tetsujin.sourceforge.net/ GAIM/AOL IM: Tetsujin0 - Message anytime -- ICQ: 46909656 - I never use it From cph Mon May 15 20:30:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA21268 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:30:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29175; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:28:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 20:28:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29086; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28898; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (24.1.227.2 -> cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 20:26:06 -0400 Received: (from rutledge@localhost) by cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id RAA01450 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 15 May 2000 17:19:21 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 17:19:21 -0700 From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 730T hard drive Message-ID: <20000515171920.G594@electron.quantum.int> References: <20000515164719.F594@electron.quantum.int> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from George Caswell on Mon, May 15, 2000 at 08:08:05PM -0400 List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 08:08:05PM -0400, George Caswell wrote: > I haven't gotten quite that far myself. Looking through some list archives > I did see someone saying they'd done it, but there's no way I could confirm > that. Hmmm. > > Perhaps the IBM BIOS doesn't report the geometry in a very linux-friendly > way - if you're booting from LILO or another bootloader that lets you specify > kernel parameters, you can set the geometry yourself (the hdparm switch, I > think). That's an idea but the kernel messages led me to believe it had detected the geometry correctly... actually it was when it checks the partitions, not the geometry, that it hung for a while and eventually timed out. > > What kernel are you trying to boot? Several. I tried the latest Slackware kernels, and tried compiling my own (2.2.14 probably) so that I could use the "old disk-only driver". I think I tried with a really old one too, 1.2.? or something like that. I forget, it's been a couple months. Anyway I got the same results with all the "normal" kernels, and it was even worse with the "old driver" versions - I think it didn't recognize the disk at all, or something like that. BTW the Slashdot article prompted me to set up a web page, which I've done very little with so far; but I'm now trying to get ZWiki running so we can collect ideas and experiences. http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud/730T/ -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 From cph Mon May 15 21:19:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA21603 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:19:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01305; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 21:17:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01124; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01101; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:17:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 21:17:32 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.174.58]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:14:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id VAA26818; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:13:19 -0400 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:13:19 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: "Shawn T. Rutledge" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 730T hard drive In-Reply-To: <20000515171920.G594@electron.quantum.int> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 15 May 2000, Shawn T. Rutledge wrote: > On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 08:08:05PM -0400, George Caswell wrote: > > I haven't gotten quite that far myself. Looking through some list archives > > I did see someone saying they'd done it, but there's no way I could confirm > > that. > > Hmmm. Yeah, not a fantastically useful revelation, is it? :) > > > > What kernel are you trying to boot? > > Several. I tried the latest Slackware kernels, and tried compiling my > own (2.2.14 probably) so that I could use the "old disk-only driver". > I think I tried with a really old one too, 1.2.? or something like that. > I forget, it's been a couple months. Anyway I got the same results > with all the "normal" kernels, and it was even worse with the "old driver" > versions - I think it didn't recognize the disk at all, or something > like that. > Maybe you should try one of the 2.3.99 kernels - PCMCIA support is integrated in, maybe that will help matters. ---GEC Projects page: http://tetsujin.sourceforge.net/ GAIM/AOL IM: Tetsujin0 - Message anytime -- ICQ: 46909656 - I never use it From cph Mon May 15 21:35:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA21765 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:35:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02322; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 21:33:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02241; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:33:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02227; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (24.1.227.2 -> cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 21:33:29 -0400 Received: (from rutledge@localhost) by cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id SAA01930; Mon, 15 May 2000 18:33:28 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 18:33:28 -0700 From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" To: "Shawn T. Rutledge" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 730T hard drive Message-ID: <20000515183328.D1883@electron.quantum.int> References: <20000515164719.F594@electron.quantum.int> <20000515171920.G594@electron.quantum.int> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <20000515171920.G594@electron.quantum.int>; from Shawn T. Rutledge on Mon, May 15, 2000 at 05:19:21PM -0700 List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 05:19:21PM -0700, Shawn T. Rutledge wrote: > http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud/730T/ The Wiki is there now. If anyone has any data to contribute, please post it and let's turn this into a real community resource. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 From cph Mon May 15 21:47:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA21855 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:47:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02928; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:46:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 21:46:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02850; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02828; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 21:46:18 -0400 Received: from tp1721 (user-33qt8tl.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.163.181]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA16051; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004601bfbed8$5622d540$b5a3aec7@tp1721> From: "Chuck S." To: "William Armstrong" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: A20p review Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:44:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone seen an A20? What's up with this communications bay that accepts Mini PCI cards. Is it dedicated for communications only? Thanks, Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 5:58 AM Subject: A20p review | Here is PC Magazine's glowing review for the A20p. | | http://www.zdnet.com/pcmag/stories/reviews/0,6755,2567753,00.html | | Best regards, | Bill Armstrong | | From cph Mon May 15 22:28:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA22128 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:28:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04439; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 22:26:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04310; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04297; Mon, 15 May 2000 22:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 22:26:14 -0400 Received: from uniblab (uniblab [146.88.9.146]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA20219 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 20:26:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00a101bfbede$1aab14e0$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: References: <39201882.7E2E@att.net> Subject: Re: 600X Fan question Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 20:26:11 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I have the same thing, but mine comes on after just a few minutes. It seems to speed up and slow down depending on how hard I'm driving it. I have 320MB of RAM, so I'm guessing that that is why it comes on after only a few minutes, instead of 30 like yours. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 09:32 Subject: 600X Fan question > I'm the new owner of a 600x PIII500 which I am happy with... but I'm > wondering if the fan is operating properly... it comes on after about 30 > minutes of use and generally stays on until the computer is shut down or > put into hibernation... its not loud or anything, but I'm just curious > if it should be shutting down periodically when the interior of the > computer is cooled, or if the temperature stays at a point where it is > needed all the time after a period of use > > Thanks for any advice > From cph Mon May 15 23:59:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA22540 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 23:59:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07373; Mon, 15 May 2000 23:58:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 15 May 2000 23:58:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07244; Mon, 15 May 2000 23:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA07227; Mon, 15 May 2000 23:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.240.93 -> oe36.law8.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 15 May 2000 23:58:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 97511 invoked by uid 65534); 16 May 2000 03:57:58 -0000 Message-ID: <20000516035758.97510.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [216.63.188.240] From: "ben armstrong" To: "ThinkPad" , Subject: 730t misc. goodies Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 22:54:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: fellow 730t folks, not really a linux guy but it seems like a good choice for these things , if somebody can figure out how to get it to leave the internal pcmcia support alone on the booting pcmcia drive. seems like the problem I have with any os is that the tablet has some kind of internal pcmcia support (in bios?) that allows it to boot before loading os's pcmcia drivers. booting off a floppy might work but then you loose some of your portablity which is a lot of the attraction of the tablet format. I'm running win3.11 cause the pen support is nice and quick. being a starving artist I want to use this thing as a digital sketch pad as well as a high powered pda. paintbrush leaves a little to be desired, anybody know of a decent drawing app for win3.x ? don't need much (monochrome) just a good airbrush feature and the ability to save as jpg and/or gif. Also, anybody know about switching out the screen from a 360pe? or upgrading the processor from some other tp maybe a 75mhz? unix handwriting recognition http://hwr.nici.kun.nl/pen-computing/index.html#miscellaneous pen drivers for thinkpad 360pe (wacom based) might be helpful http://hwr.nici.kun.nl/pen-computing/index.html#miscellaneous os/2 win3.x and 95 and others http://www.tagwerks.com/pencomputing/ 730t y2k compatibility- go into the bios, click on date, change year to 2000, all there is to it. cheers, ben j armstrong in art there is only one thing of value, that which cannot be explained. -George Braque From cph Tue May 16 00:38:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA22766 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 00:38:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08847; Tue, 16 May 2000 00:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 00:37:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08752; Tue, 16 May 2000 00:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08738; Tue, 16 May 2000 00:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason03.u.washington.edu (140.142.77.10 -> jason03.u.washington.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 00:37:11 -0400 Received: from dante13.u.washington.edu (williams@dante13.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.23]) by jason03.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id VAA32462 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:37:09 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante13.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id VAA98426 for ; Mon, 15 May 2000 21:37:09 -0700 Date: Mon, 15 May 2000 21:37:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Digital Audio Tape and 770ED Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: HI, I was wondering if any one has experience with DAT. I am thinking about getting a Portable Sony (PCM-M1). Can the Data be transfered easily to my Thinkpad? Has USB, SCSI, and Ethernet as well as the standard connections. What do I need to do this? I would like to make CDs from the recordings. Any other equipment needed besides a cable and CD recorder? How about using Data tapes (DDS) versus Audio Tapes? I userstand that the Data tapes are certified for better data integrity but what about more wear on tape heads? I'm already getting a Plextor CD-RW so I would like to use it instead of a dedicated Audio CD-RW. Any comments or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, John From cph Tue May 16 09:12:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA24827 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:12:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02852; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 09:10:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02594; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaac.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02580; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaac.compuserve.com (149.174.177.148 -> hs-img-3.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 09:09:58 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id JAA12529 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:09:35 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Thinkpad 53E5 (Japan only) Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200005160909_MC2-A520-E2F6@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA24828 I have had someone ask if I can help them with their *Japan only* 535E Thinkpad. They are desperate to replace the dead Li-ion battery, but IBM UK will not help as it is a non export Japan only model?? Apparently it is a sub,sub notebook form... I know nothing of this and wondered if anyone could advise or, enquire and quote for a replacement battery from US if available. The FRU is 46H6583 P/N 46H6570 Cheers if you can help/shed any light. Mark UK From cph Tue May 16 09:12:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA24831 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:12:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02856; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 09:10:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02680; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02667; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:10:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.153 -> ds-img-7.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 09:10:28 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id JAA25380 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:09:37 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Digital Cameras... Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200005160909_MC2-A520-E2F8@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA24832 OK, Not Tpad related sorry, but thought it a good place to ask generally and particularly you guys in US, what deals are around on lower spec digital cameras...? XOOM are offering a Polaroid PhotoMAX Digital 320 for $59.95 it has following spec: * 24-bit color * 320 x 240 pixel resolution * Focal range: 3 feet - infinity * Automatic power saving ("sleep") mode * Automatic 15-second self-timer * Serial port download * 500K internal memory (camera holds up to 18 images) * Tripod mountable * Automatic picture counter * Camera uses one 9-volt battery Is this a competitive offer or have you seen better? I was always expecting to take the plunge on a megapixel job at some stage when I felt prices were in line with a good SLR, but in the meantime for mucking around with, this seems interesting...? Thanks for any advice/comments Mark UK From cph Tue May 16 11:09:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA25678 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:09:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12304; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:08:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 11:08:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12128; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12115; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 11:08:11 -0400 Received: from 207-172-209-160.s160.tnt1.nrf.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.209.160] helo=Don) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12rix6-0005dA-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:08:08 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:09:54 -0400 Message-ID: <01BFBF27.439C26C0.d.damato@bay-design.com> From: "Don D'Amato" Reply-To: "d.damato@bay-design.com" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: This message was created on a T20. Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:09:54 -0400 Organization: Bay Design X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 15 TEXT List-Unsubscribe: just got my new T20 from microwarehouse.com. i have the one with the 14" XGA screen, PIII-700, 128 meg/12 meg HD, and the mini-pci combo lan/modem card. for all of you wondering whether these new thinkpads live up to their hype, you can stop worrying. this is the most amazing machine i've ever used. perfect keyboard (as expected), great screen (ok, so it's not SXGA+...it's clear and bright and very easy on the eyes), very solid case design (feels stiff and expensive), very thin and lightweight, very fast, and best of all, it's got that cool "thinklight"! i had a toshiba tecra 8100 (PIII-650) for a while but returned it to buy the thinkpad. this machine has it ALL OVER the tecra and everything else i've used. while i can't give a very thorough review yet, i'm thusfar very satisfied. email me with specific questions. Don From cph Tue May 16 12:05:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26120 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:05:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17036; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 12:03:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16947; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firefly.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16934; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from firefly.cisco.com (171.69.63.22 -> firefly.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 12:03:29 -0400 Received: from tricent (dhcp-171-69-66-157.cisco.com [171.69.66.157]) by firefly.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with SMTP id JAA09031 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:03:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tony Rice" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: replacement doors Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:03:29 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I'm forever having to dig through my laptop bag to find the little annoying plastic doors for the floppy port or the serial port. I usually find it and pop it back on. Not this time. Where can I get replacements? I'm assuming they are somewhere on the IBM web site but I've haven't found the right path in that maze yet. From cph Tue May 16 12:41:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26508 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:41:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20540; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 12:39:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20391; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20375; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 12:39:07 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JPGT0Q73Y88X1A7W@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 16 May 2000 11:41:29 CST Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:41:28 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Cheap & Amazing 3com pcmcia Hurry Up ! To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: This card does it all 10/100 LAN 56k v90 GSM ISDN (with upgrade) Now for the cool thing, the x-jack connector changes color with the different type of connections ! BEST OF ALL FOR A LIMITED TIME EVALUATION OFFER, $99 direct from 3COM !! Unlike the Xircom realport $300 ++ This card only takes up one slot !! Just ordered 2 this morning :) http://www.3com.com/promotions/smartxjack/index.html From cph Tue May 16 12:45:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26533 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:44:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21004; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 12:43:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20931; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20913; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 12:43:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA92472; Tue, 16 May 2000 06:42:59 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 06:42:59 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Jon cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cheap & Amazing 3com pcmcia Hurry Up ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 16 May 2000, Jon wrote: Only thing bad about this card is that it only has one XJack connector so the connector can't be used for both the AN and the modem at the same time like the dongle 3CCFEM656B can. Ofcoursde, if you connect the phone line to the Xjack, then you can use a dongle to connect the LAN. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > This card does it all > > 10/100 LAN > 56k v90 > GSM > ISDN (with upgrade) > > Now for the cool thing, the x-jack connector changes color with the > different type of connections ! > > BEST OF ALL FOR A LIMITED TIME EVALUATION OFFER, $99 direct from 3COM !! > Unlike the Xircom realport $300 ++ This card only takes up one slot !! > > Just ordered 2 this morning :) > > http://www.3com.com/promotions/smartxjack/index.html > > From cph Tue May 16 12:53:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26618 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:53:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21873; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 12:52:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21796; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:52:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21782; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 12:52:21 -0400 Received: from [216.59.0.202] (216.59.0.202) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.024) id 39207C060002187C for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 16 May 2000 09:51:35 -0700 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 09:51:29 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: Re: Cheap & Amazing 3com pcmcia Hurry Up ! List-Unsubscribe: >This card does it all > >10/100 LAN >56k v90 >GSM >ISDN (with upgrade) > >Now for the cool thing, the x-jack connector changes color with the >different type of connections ! > >BEST OF ALL FOR A LIMITED TIME EVALUATION OFFER, $99 direct from 3COM !! >Unlike the Xircom realport $300 ++ This card only takes up one slot !! > >Just ordered 2 this morning :) > >http://www.3com.com/promotions/smartxjack/index.html Those with older Thinkpads should beware: this is a Cardbus card which is not compatible with earlier versions of the PCMCIA slots. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! When a Windows PC says "I love you," you know it MEANS it. Go Linux/FreeBSD! Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Tue May 16 13:52:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27037 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:52:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26816; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 13:49:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26684; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26671; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 13:49:42 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA22596; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:49:36 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA11880; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000516104656.00c0fe90@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:49:19 -0700 To: Vincent Poy , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Cheap & Amazing 3com pcmcia Hurry Up ! In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 06:42 AM 05/16/2000 -1000, you wrote: >On Tue, 16 May 2000, Jon wrote: > > Only thing bad about this card is that it only has one XJack >connector so the connector can't be used for both the AN and the modem at >the same time like the dongle 3CCFEM656B can. Ofcoursde, if you connect >the phone line to the Xjack, then you can use a dongle to connect the LAN. Actually, I'm glad 3Com thought of this. Why take up the space of both slots (like the Xircom card does) if you're highly unlikely to *need* both modem & LAN at the same time? I for one have almost never needed both simultaneously, even more so now than before, since I got a DSL line in my home (which is also my workplace, when I'm not travelling). So the only time I have any use for modem is when I'm on the road. Back at my home/office, my LAN connects me to the other computer, the internet, etc. I have no need for a modem at home/office. - Randy From cph Tue May 16 13:52:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27041 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:52:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26916; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 13:50:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26841; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26768; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 13:50:26 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: , Subject: RE: This message was created on a T20. Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:49:50 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2F0D@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: This message was created on a T20. Thread-Index: Ab+/SJd+wV+ac3nGT5SIXMTgZ8lOoQAFlMIA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA27042 Wow! Very cool! I assume that the LAN works fine. How does the OS handle it when there's nothing plugged in? I know how Win2k tends to handle it if you're running that, but I'm curious about how they do it with Win98 -- with other LAN cards, they keep the IP stack loaded which added spurious routes (like default!) that can really hose the works. ssh > -----Original Message----- > From: Don D'Amato [mailto:d.damato@bay-design.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 9:10 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: This message was created on a T20. > > > just got my new T20 from microwarehouse.com. i have the one > with the 14" > XGA screen, PIII-700, 128 meg/12 meg HD, and the mini-pci > combo lan/modem > card. for all of you wondering whether these new thinkpads > live up to > their hype, you can stop worrying. this is the most amazing > machine i've > ever used. perfect keyboard (as expected), great screen (ok, > so it's not > SXGA+...it's clear and bright and very easy on the eyes), > very solid case > design (feels stiff and expensive), very thin and > lightweight, very fast, > and best of all, it's got that cool "thinklight"! i had a > toshiba tecra > 8100 (PIII-650) for a while but returned it to buy the > thinkpad. this > machine has it ALL OVER the tecra and everything else i've > used. while i > can't give a very thorough review yet, i'm thusfar very > satisfied. email > me with specific questions. > > > Don > From cph Tue May 16 13:56:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27073 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:56:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27556; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 13:53:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27483; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:53:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27468; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 13:53:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA56782; Tue, 16 May 2000 07:53:44 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 07:53:44 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List Subject: Re: Cheap & Amazing 3com pcmcia Hurry Up ! In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000516104656.00c0fe90@pop3.iceka1.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 16 May 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 06:42 AM 05/16/2000 -1000, you wrote: > >On Tue, 16 May 2000, Jon wrote: > > > > Only thing bad about this card is that it only has one XJack > >connector so the connector can't be used for both the AN and the modem at > >the same time like the dongle 3CCFEM656B can. Ofcoursde, if you connect > >the phone line to the Xjack, then you can use a dongle to connect the LAN. > > Actually, I'm glad 3Com thought of this. Why take up the space of > both slots (like the Xircom card does) if you're highly unlikely to *need* > both modem & LAN at the same time? That's true but you can actually use both at the same time, except the LAN side gets the dongle while the XJack is for the modem. I noticed that it seems like every other company besides 3Com has lights that shows the activity for the LAN while all 3Com has is 10Mbps/10Mbps leds. > I for one have almost never needed both simultaneously, even more > so now than before, since I got a DSL line in my home (which is also my > workplace, when I'm not travelling). So the only time I have any use for > modem is when I'm on the road. Back at my home/office, my LAN connects me > to the other computer, the internet, etc. I have no need for a modem at > home/office. The only reason is that sometimes one may need to fax or something. I have DSL as well so it's connected to the LAN but sometimes there are connections that still require modems that are not connected on the internet. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin From cph Tue May 16 13:59:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27111 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:59:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28151; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 13:57:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28077; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28060; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 13:57:54 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Randal Whittle" , "Vincent Poy" , "TP List" Subject: RE: Cheap & Amazing 3com pcmcia Hurry Up ! Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 11:57:14 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2F10@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Cheap & Amazing 3com pcmcia Hurry Up ! Thread-Index: Ab+/Xyd6qk4oOUC/SumRL24LNThCcAAAIR8A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA27112 The Zircom is a better design (my opinion!) because there is nothing to break off, and nothing that sticks up. I like being able to effectively plug the RJ45 into the side of the machine (and yes, I'm really looking forward to my new T20!). I can understand why folks like the new 3Com. However, I bought the RealPort2 knowing that I can add stuff later as needed. YMMV, of course. ssh > -----Original Message----- > From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 11:49 AM > To: Vincent Poy; TP List > Subject: Re: Cheap & Amazing 3com pcmcia Hurry Up ! > > > At 06:42 AM 05/16/2000 -1000, you wrote: > >On Tue, 16 May 2000, Jon wrote: > > > > Only thing bad about this card is that it only has one XJack > >connector so the connector can't be used for both the AN and > the modem at > >the same time like the dongle 3CCFEM656B can. Ofcoursde, if > you connect > >the phone line to the Xjack, then you can use a dongle to > connect the LAN. > > Actually, I'm glad 3Com thought of this. Why take > up the space of > both slots (like the Xircom card does) if you're highly > unlikely to *need* > both modem & LAN at the same time? > > I for one have almost never needed both > simultaneously, even more > so now than before, since I got a DSL line in my home (which > is also my > workplace, when I'm not travelling). So the only time I have > any use for > modem is when I'm on the road. Back at my home/office, my > LAN connects me > to the other computer, the internet, etc. I have no need for > a modem at > home/office. > > - Randy > From cph Tue May 16 14:02:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA27140 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:02:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28650; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 14:00:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28577; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:00:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28563; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 14:00:24 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11318; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:59:40 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <39218C8C.ADF044C5@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:59:40 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Hultquist CC: d.damato@bay-design.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: This message was created on a T20. References: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2F0D@houdini.accumedia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steve Hultquist wrote: > Wow! Very cool! > > I assume that the LAN works fine. How does the OS handle it when there's > nothing plugged in? I know how Win2k tends to handle it if you're > running that, but I'm curious about how they do it with Win98 -- with > other LAN cards, they keep the IP stack loaded which added spurious > routes (like default!) that can really hose the works. I too am interested in exactly this issue. I have been leaning toward the modem-only T20 because I am concerned about what happens to a disconnected NIC. I'm used to PC NICs that I can simply eject when I am not using them. Besides, I will often be using a PC 802.11b wireless card, and having the built-in ethernet disconnected could cause trouble. --Lee Hetherington From cph Tue May 16 14:07:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA27173 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:07:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29235; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 14:03:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29122; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:03:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29092; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pele.WURLDLINK.NET (208.164.68.2 -> pele.WURLDLINK.NET) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 14:03:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (vince@localhost) by pele.WURLDLINK.NET (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA46526; Tue, 16 May 2000 08:03:33 -1000 (HST) (envelope-from vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET) Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 08:03:33 -1000 (HST) From: Vincent Poy To: Steve Hultquist cc: Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: RE: Cheap & Amazing 3com pcmcia Hurry Up ! In-Reply-To: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2F10@houdini.accumedia.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 16 May 2000, Steve Hultquist wrote: Actually, I have the 3CCFEM656B which is the same card as the new 3Com except the XJack is a modem dongle. All the new 3Com did was replace the modem dongle with a XJack connector that can work with both LAN/modem while if you do need to use both, you have to use the doingle for the LAN and the Xjack for the modem. I'm not sure of the design but I can say that on the 3CCFEM656B and even the 3CCFEM556 which is the non-cardbus version, they both worked fine for the modem side at max speeds on my ThinkPad 385ED but on my 770Z, the modem will never be faster than 40kbps while the built in modem gets 45.3kbps. One thing I noticed with 3Com cards versus any other brands is that 3Com doesn't have any Led's except for one light for 10Mbps and one for 100Mbps, it doesn't have any leds to show link activity. I hope the new 3com card would have that feature. Cheers, Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President ________ __ ____ Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / | / |[__ ] WurldLink Corporation / / / / | / | __] ] San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong / / / / / |/ / | __] ] HongKong Stars/Gravis UltraSound Mailing Lists Admin /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____] Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin > The Zircom is a better design (my opinion!) because there is nothing to > break off, and nothing that sticks up. I like being able to effectively > plug the RJ45 into the side of the machine (and yes, I'm really looking > forward to my new T20!). I can understand why folks like the new 3Com. > However, I bought the RealPort2 knowing that I can add stuff later as > needed. > > YMMV, of course. > > ssh > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 11:49 AM > > To: Vincent Poy; TP List > > Subject: Re: Cheap & Amazing 3com pcmcia Hurry Up ! > > > > > > At 06:42 AM 05/16/2000 -1000, you wrote: > > >On Tue, 16 May 2000, Jon wrote: > > > > > > Only thing bad about this card is that it only has one XJack > > >connector so the connector can't be used for both the AN and > > the modem at > > >the same time like the dongle 3CCFEM656B can. Ofcoursde, if > > you connect > > >the phone line to the Xjack, then you can use a dongle to > > connect the LAN. > > > > Actually, I'm glad 3Com thought of this. Why take > > up the space of > > both slots (like the Xircom card does) if you're highly > > unlikely to *need* > > both modem & LAN at the same time? > > > > I for one have almost never needed both > > simultaneously, even more > > so now than before, since I got a DSL line in my home (which > > is also my > > workplace, when I'm not travelling). So the only time I have > > any use for > > modem is when I'm on the road. Back at my home/office, my > > LAN connects me > > to the other computer, the internet, etc. I have no need for > > a modem at > > home/office. > > > > - Randy > > > From cph Tue May 16 15:11:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA27784 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:11:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04292; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 15:07:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04096; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04082; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 15:07:54 -0400 Received: from 207-172-209-160.s160.tnt1.nrf.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.209.160] helo=Don) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12rmh5-00011B-00; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:07:52 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:09:37 -0400 Message-ID: <01BFBF48.C05AF440.d.damato@bay-design.com> From: "Don D'Amato" Reply-To: "d.damato@bay-design.com" To: "'Steve Hultquist'" Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: This message was created on a T20. Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:09:36 -0400 Organization: Bay Design X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 62 TEXT List-Unsubscribe: steve et al., i'm not a LAN wizard or anything but i have had no problems thusfar whether i'm connected to our network or not. the LAN card has worked flawlessly for me. if you tell me specifically how to determine what you're asking, i'll do my best. oh, and as i guess you inferred from earlier mssgs., i am running win98se. don -----Original Message----- From: Steve Hultquist [SMTP:ssh@accumedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 1:50 PM To: d.damato@bay-design.com; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: This message was created on a T20 Wow! Very cool! I assume that the LAN works fine. How does the OS handle it when there's nothing plugged in? I know how Win2k tends to handle it if you're running that, but I'm curious about how they do it with Win98 -- with other LAN cards, they keep the IP stack loaded which added spurious routes (like default!) that can really hose the works. ssh > -----Original Message----- > From: Don D'Amato [mailto:d.damato@bay-design.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 9:10 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: This message was created on a T20. > > > just got my new T20 from microwarehouse.com. i have the one > with the 14" > XGA screen, PIII-700, 128 meg/12 meg HD, and the mini-pci > combo lan/modem > card. for all of you wondering whether these new thinkpads > live up to > their hype, you can stop worrying. this is the most amazing > machine i've > ever used. perfect keyboard (as expected), great screen (ok, > so it's not > SXGA+...it's clear and bright and very easy on the eyes), > very solid case > design (feels stiff and expensive), very thin and > lightweight, very fast, > and best of all, it's got that cool "thinklight"! i had a > toshiba tecra > 8100 (PIII-650) for a while but returned it to buy the > thinkpad. this > machine has it ALL OVER the tecra and everything else i've > used. while i > can't give a very thorough review yet, i'm thusfar very > satisfied. email > me with specific questions. > > > Don > From cph Tue May 16 15:21:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA27885 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:21:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05223; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 15:20:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05149; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05135; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:20:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 15:20:07 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA12547; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <39219F45.B59AD8E2@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:19:33 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "d.damato@bay-design.com" CC: "'Steve Hultquist'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: This message was created on a T20. References: <01BFBF48.C05AF440.d.damato@bay-design.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Don, Does this mean you have a 2647-44U? Do you happen to have a PCMCIA network card around? If so, I wonder what happens if you try to use this instead of the mini-PCI modem/ethernet card. And then, if you eject the PCMCIA card and connect the network to the min-PCI card. Basically, I am very curious how easily you can switch around between the built-in ethernet and a PCMCIA network device. I am about to order a T20 and trying to figure out if I want the modem or modem/ethernet model. Thanks! --Lee Hetherington From cph Tue May 16 15:23:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA27905 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:23:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05564; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 15:21:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05488; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05475; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 15:21:43 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00415 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:21:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39219F72.F094FD82@stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:20:18 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Need 560x keyboard help References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Dear fellow TP owners, My 560x keyboard is on the blink again. It's been working intermittently, and now the (period/greater than) key has gone out. I've been reduced to keeping a period in the clipboard just to type proper sentences. It's getting annoying and I'm afraid more keys will start to go. Does anyone have any idea if more than the keyboard is at fault? This is the second time the keyboard is messing up - first time it was fixed by EZserv. The warranty is long over though. I would appreciate it if someone could point me to an affordable source for a replacement keyboard. Also, does anyone have the link for the technical take-apart manual? I'd prefer to do the replacement myself as this is my main machine and sending it in for repairs will deprive me of it for too long. I recall some time ago that IBM has them somewhere on its site, but IBM doesn't make its technical manuals easy to find :-( Thanks in advance, Benjamin -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a 68k Mac or PC without installing IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Tue May 16 15:24:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA27920 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:24:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05877; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 15:22:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05804; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05790; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 15:22:48 -0400 Received: from uniblab (equate3 [146.88.1.23]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA10649 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:22:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <006301bfbf6c$1d55d200$17015892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: "thinkpad" References: <200005160909_MC2-A520-E2F8@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Digital Cameras... Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 13:14:09 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Mark! Ahhhhh...errrrr...ummmm...I got that xoom email, too. I don't know anything about this camera, but I would suspect that the picture quality might just be bad enough as to turn you off to digital cameras for quite some time. :-) I wouldn't go with anything less than 640x480 pixels. That way you could at least have pictures that you can fiddle with in a photo editor, stick on web pages, and stuff like that. I would think that 320x240 would be too grainy to work with -- that's webcam pixel counts. I have a Canon A50 that I bought a couple of months ago and I really like it. It's 1280x960 (1.3M pixels) and it does a really nice job. I would look at something like the Kodak DC215 to start out with. It's 1.3M pixels, takes pretty decent pictures for a fixed-focus camera (reasonably clear and really good color), uses (common) AA batteries, compact flash memory, and is about US$299. Initially I was going to buy one of these (the Millennium edition which comes with a larger memory card and a card reader), but they were so popular that they were backordered everywhere. THINKPAD CONTENT: Think twice about buying a digital camera! My Canon cost $379, but I've spent over $4200 in "accessories" for it including this 600X. Digital cameras are evil! :-) > OK, Not Tpad related sorry, but thought it a good place to ask generally > and particularly you guys in US, what deals are around on lower spec > digital cameras...? > > XOOM are offering a Polaroid PhotoMAX Digital 320 for $59.95 it has > following spec: > > * 24-bit color > * 320 x 240 pixel resolution > * Focal range: 3 feet - infinity > * Automatic power saving ("sleep") mode > * Automatic 15-second self-timer > * Serial port download > * 500K internal memory (camera holds up to 18 images) > * Tripod mountable > * Automatic picture counter > * Camera uses one 9-volt battery > > Is this a competitive offer or have you seen better? > > I was always expecting to take the plunge on a megapixel job at some stage > when I felt prices were in line with a good SLR, but in the meantime for > mucking around with, this seems interesting...? > > Thanks for any advice/comments > > Mark > UK From cph Tue May 16 15:26:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA27959 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:26:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06211; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:24:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 15:24:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06136; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06120; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 15:24:22 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p36.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.129]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA78148; Tue, 16 May 2000 12:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005161924.MAA78148@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ben armstrong" , "ecloud@bigfoot.com" , "ThinkPad" Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 12:26:11 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 730t misc. goodies List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 15 May 2000 22:54:06 -0500, ben armstrong wrote: > Also, anybody know about switching out the screen from a 360pe? Good question. Probably not likely, even though the chipset in the 730T is the Western Digital 90C24 (I took my unit apart once, so I know more about it). The digitizer is Wacom I believe, but it's probably not likely you could use a color screen on it. Plus, I believe the RAM is only 512K, vs. 1MB on the 360PE. or >upgrading the processor from some other tp maybe a 75mhz? > There is the 730TE, which is the same unit, but with a 486DX4-75. I'm hoping to upgrade to one of those, and put in the 220MB FLASH card I have in my HP 200LX > >730t y2k compatibility- go into the bios, click on date, change year to >2000, >all there is to it. I noticed there's no BIOS upgrades, but supposedly it works fine past Y2K. I'm using mine as a reference machine for a specific app, but when I upgrade to a 730T, I plan on using it for a GPS system (have a 32MB DRAM card on the way). Paul From cph Tue May 16 15:28:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA28002 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:28:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06643; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 15:27:36 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06564; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 15:27:35 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id PAA09102 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26382; Tue, 16 May 2000 13:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.89 -> web116.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 13:45:38 -0400 Received: (qmail 8582 invoked by uid 60001); 16 May 2000 17:45:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000516174536.8581.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.206.220.197] by web116.yahoomail.com; Tue, 16 May 2000 10:45:36 PDT Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 10:45:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Digital Cameras... To: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I've tried several inexpensive cameras with resolutions up to 640 by 480 but not that one. The problems with most of them is the limited resolution, low number of pictures, no macro or close up capability and lack of focusing. --- Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> wrote: > OK, Not Tpad related sorry, but thought it a good > place to ask generally > and particularly you guys in US, what deals are > around on lower spec > digital cameras...? > > XOOM are offering a Polaroid PhotoMAX Digital 320 > for $59.95 it has > following spec: > > * 24-bit color > * 320 x 240 pixel resolution > * Focal range: 3 feet - infinity > * Automatic power saving ("sleep") mode > * Automatic 15-second self-timer > * Serial port download > * 500K internal memory (camera holds up to 18 > images) > * Tripod mountable > * Automatic picture counter > * Camera uses one 9-volt battery > > Is this a competitive offer or have you seen better? > > I was always expecting to take the plunge on a > megapixel job at some stage > when I felt prices were in line with a good SLR, but > in the meantime for > mucking around with, this seems interesting...? > > Thanks for any advice/comments > > Mark > UK __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Tue May 16 15:36:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA28094 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:36:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07301; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 15:34:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07225; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07212; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.111 -> pilot011.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 15:34:45 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (symposium.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.43]) by pilot011.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA73376 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:34:41 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000516153151.00d57870@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 15:34:49 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Digital Cameras... In-Reply-To: <20000516174536.8581.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Speaking as someone who's been playing with the higher end Sony FD-91 (and now -93) units for the last year or so, this little xoom camera isn't going to do that much for you, except that at $60 this is almost a throw-away thing, and if you are at all interested in digital cameras, this is a GREAT way to see if you want to dabble more in the future. --STeve Andre' At 10:45 AM 5/16/00 -0700, you wrote: >I've tried several inexpensive cameras with >resolutions up to 640 by 480 but not that one. The >problems with most of them is the limited resolution, >low number of pictures, no macro or close up >capability >and lack of focusing. >--- Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> wrote: > > OK, Not Tpad related sorry, but thought it a good > > place to ask generally > > and particularly you guys in US, what deals are > > around on lower spec > > digital cameras...? > > > > XOOM are offering a Polaroid PhotoMAX Digital 320 > > for $59.95 it has > > following spec: > > > > * 24-bit color > > * 320 x 240 pixel resolution > > * Focal range: 3 feet - infinity > > * Automatic power saving ("sleep") mode > > * Automatic 15-second self-timer > > * Serial port download > > * 500K internal memory (camera holds up to 18 > > images) > > * Tripod mountable > > * Automatic picture counter > > * Camera uses one 9-volt battery > > > > Is this a competitive offer or have you seen better? > > > > I was always expecting to take the plunge on a > > megapixel job at some stage > > when I felt prices were in line with a good SLR, but > > in the meantime for > > mucking around with, this seems interesting...? > > > > Thanks for any advice/comments > > > > Mark > > UK > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Tue May 16 15:41:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA28155 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:41:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07915; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 15:40:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07820; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07807; Tue, 16 May 2000 15:40:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 15:40:01 -0400 Received: by porkchop.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 16 May 2000 14:44:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'I Lee Hetherington'" , d.damato@bay-design.com Cc: "'Steve Hultquist'" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: This message was created on a T20. Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 14:44:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I definitely understand the need to run a particular operating system, so I'm not proposing that everyone change, but... Windows 2000 handles a NIC being present in a system without a network connection. In fact it handles it so well that you can log on w/o a network connection and plug in the cable later and never miss a beat. I currently run a 600X with a Xircom realport PC-Card and I always leave it in the machine. When I'm in the office I connect to a selectabase III with a 3COM 905BTX PCI card. So I have both in the machine at everything works very well. I definitely couldn't say the same about 98 or NT 4.0. With NT 4.0, I had to create various profiles and disable drivers based on the profile. Greg -----Original Message----- From: I Lee Hetherington [mailto:ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 2:20 PM To: d.damato@bay-design.com Cc: 'Steve Hultquist'; 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' Subject: Re: This message was created on a T20. Don, Does this mean you have a 2647-44U? Do you happen to have a PCMCIA network card around? If so, I wonder what happens if you try to use this instead of the mini-PCI modem/ethernet card. And then, if you eject the PCMCIA card and connect the network to the min-PCI card. Basically, I am very curious how easily you can switch around between the built-in ethernet and a PCMCIA network device. I am about to order a T20 and trying to figure out if I want the modem or modem/ethernet model. Thanks! --Lee Hetherington From cph Tue May 16 16:17:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA28532 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 16:17:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10691; Tue, 16 May 2000 16:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 16:15:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10547; Tue, 16 May 2000 16:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10534; Tue, 16 May 2000 16:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (147.160.207.10 -> tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 16:15:53 -0400 Received: from mwl [10.1.2.71] by tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (SMTPD32-6.00) id AB7E90EB0124; Tue, 16 May 2000 16:11:42 -0400 Message-ID: <02a201bfbf8c$68c60dc0$4702010a@blwd.k12.pa.us> From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: "ThinkPad" Subject: Misc. TP needs Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 16:13:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I have a 755CD that will freeze whenever it is slightly jarred. Does anybody know what causes this? Would anyone have a new or used working 360PE display. I've swapped out all of the parts but it and guess what?! That's the broken part. Also I have a working 710 or 700T ThinkPad (notepad style) with a fully functioning battery but no flash file card or HDD that I would like to sell cheap. If I can't get the 360PE to work, I would like to sell it and all of the extra parts. The 360 PE does work through a monitor and the digitizer still functions but the LCD is toast. Also, would anyone have a line on a relatively cheap 755CDV with the accessory fan and a 2.1 GB or larger drive? Email me if any of this interests you ----------------------------------------------------------------- Progress is man's ability to complicate simplicity Mike Lingenfelter Bellwood-Antis School District Science Department Chairperson work # 814-742-2280 x-4209 home# 814-941-0141 personal email mlingen@attglobal.net personal web http://pws.prserv.net/usinet.mlingen/usinet.mlingen From cph Tue May 16 19:42:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA30249 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:42:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21306; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 19:42:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21221; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:42:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21204; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 19:42:18 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: Cc: Subject: RE: This message was created on a T20. Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:41:43 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2F22@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: This message was created on a T20. Thread-Index: Ab+/afhfxdVrORlaTRyzBPW7/LBCqwAJj/ig X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA30250 Open a DOS command box and type "netstat -nr". Then unplug and wait a minute and do it again. Thanks! ssh > -----Original Message----- > From: Don D'Amato [mailto:d.damato@bay-design.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 1:10 PM > To: Steve Hultquist > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: This message was created on a T20. > > > > steve et al., > > i'm not a LAN wizard or anything but i have had no problems > thusfar whether > i'm connected to our network or not. the LAN card has worked > flawlessly > for me. if you tell me specifically how to determine what > you're asking, > i'll do my best. oh, and as i guess you inferred from > earlier mssgs., i am > running win98se. > > don > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Hultquist [SMTP:ssh@accumedia.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 1:50 PM > To: d.damato@bay-design.com; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: This message was created on a T20 > > Wow! Very cool! > > I assume that the LAN works fine. How does the OS handle it > when there's > nothing plugged in? I know how Win2k tends to handle it if you're > running that, but I'm curious about how they do it with Win98 -- with > other LAN cards, they keep the IP stack loaded which added spurious > routes (like default!) that can really hose the works. > > ssh > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Don D'Amato [mailto:d.damato@bay-design.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 9:10 AM > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: This message was created on a T20. > > > > > > just got my new T20 from microwarehouse.com. i have the one > > with the 14" > > XGA screen, PIII-700, 128 meg/12 meg HD, and the mini-pci > > combo lan/modem > > card. for all of you wondering whether these new thinkpads > > live up to > > their hype, you can stop worrying. this is the most amazing > > machine i've > > ever used. perfect keyboard (as expected), great screen (ok, > > so it's not > > SXGA+...it's clear and bright and very easy on the eyes), > > very solid case > > design (feels stiff and expensive), very thin and > > lightweight, very fast, > > and best of all, it's got that cool "thinklight"! i had a > > toshiba tecra > > 8100 (PIII-650) for a while but returned it to buy the > > thinkpad. this > > machine has it ALL OVER the tecra and everything else i've > > used. while i > > can't give a very thorough review yet, i'm thusfar very > > satisfied. email > > me with specific questions. > > > > > > Don > > > From cph Tue May 16 19:42:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA30253 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:42:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21225; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 19:41:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21104; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21091; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:41:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 19:41:36 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "I Lee Hetherington" Cc: , Subject: RE: This message was created on a T20. Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 17:41:00 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2F21@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: This message was created on a T20. Thread-Index: Ab+/YH5nDqrjRD+uSS6VHIRnxjvO4wAL59AA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA30254 Lee, Just to be clear, it will work fine with Win2k (which I *highly* recommend -- I've been running it on my 600s since last November). ssh > -----Original Message----- > From: I Lee Hetherington [mailto:ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 12:00 PM > To: Steve Hultquist > Cc: d.damato@bay-design.com; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: This message was created on a T20. > > > Steve Hultquist wrote: > > > Wow! Very cool! > > > > I assume that the LAN works fine. How does the OS handle it > when there's > > nothing plugged in? I know how Win2k tends to handle it if you're > > running that, but I'm curious about how they do it with > Win98 -- with > > other LAN cards, they keep the IP stack loaded which added spurious > > routes (like default!) that can really hose the works. > > I too am interested in exactly this issue. I have been > leaning toward the > modem-only T20 because I am concerned about what happens to a > disconnected NIC. I'm used to PC NICs that I can simply > eject when I am > not using them. Besides, I will often be using a PC 802.11b > wireless card, > and having the built-in ethernet disconnected could cause trouble. > > --Lee Hetherington > > From cph Tue May 16 19:57:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA30309 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:57:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22127; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:56:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 19:56:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22054; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22040; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 19:56:43 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15212; Tue, 16 May 2000 19:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3921E029.5DCF5520@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 19:56:26 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Hultquist CC: d.damato@bay-design.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: This message was created on a T20. References: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2F21@houdini.accumedia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steve Hultquist wrote: > Lee, > > Just to be clear, it will work fine with Win2k (which I *highly* > recommend -- I've been running it on my 600s since last November). Thanks. I've been running Win2K about the same time and had never tried it. I just tried it with two PC cards, ethernet and wireless. It all worked rather seamlessly. Win2K is far superior to Win98 and WinNT in my experience. I suppose in Linux I could do it with some scripts to bring the built-in ethernet up and down on command. I wonder if the device is supported by Linux. I would guess it might be since it sounds like it is based on Intel's 10/100 chips supported by the eepro driver (I think). --Lee From cph Tue May 16 21:39:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA30868 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:39:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26011; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 21:38:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25906; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25893; Tue, 16 May 2000 21:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 21:38:17 -0400 Received: by porkchop.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 16 May 2000 20:42:28 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad A20 Ship Date Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 20:42:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: My A20p that was promised to be shipped on on May 16 has now slipped to June 9. Has anyone had any luck getting a firm ship date on an A20p? Thanks, Greg From cph Tue May 16 22:15:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA31084 for ; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:15:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27456; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 16 May 2000 22:14:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27379; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:14:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27366; Tue, 16 May 2000 22:14:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.212 -> wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 16 May 2000 22:14:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 1799 invoked by uid 60001); 17 May 2000 02:14:24 -0000 Message-ID: <20000517021424.1798.qmail@wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.212 by wwcst212 for [24.25.115.5] via web-mailer(34FM1.4.02C) on Wed May 17 02:14:24 GMT 2000 Date: 16 May 00 21:14:24 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: This message was created on a T20. X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM1.4.02C) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA31085 Greg Langham wrote: [snip] > I definitely couldn't say the same about 98 or NT 4.0. With NT 4.0, I had to > create various profiles and disable drivers based on the profile. I've had a very different set of experiences with LAN cards in ThinkPads Running Win95, Win98, and, mainly, WinNT4. I've never had a problem booting the system with an Ethernet card inserted when I'm not on the network. I've also not had O/S or driver problems when unplugging the PC from the network. Token ring cards are another story, but Ethernet is not picky at all. Certain _applications_ have problems when they are started while connected to a network and then the network connection is removed (MS Outlook, for one), but that's not a NIC problem. Maybe it's just that I've mostly used 3Com NICs and they (and their drivers) are very tolerant??? Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Wed May 17 00:13:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA31591 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:13:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02174; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:12:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 00:12:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02024; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02010; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 00:12:06 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.174.58]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:12:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id AAA32722; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:11:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:11:39 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: ben armstrong cc: ThinkPad , ecloud@bigfoot.com Subject: Re: 730t misc. goodies In-Reply-To: <20000516035758.97510.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 15 May 2000, ben armstrong wrote: > I'm running win3.11 cause the pen support is nice and quick. being a > starving artist I want to use this thing as a digital sketch pad as well as > a high powered pda. paintbrush leaves a little to be desired, anybody know > of a decent drawing app for win3.x ? don't need much (monochrome) just a > good airbrush feature and the ability to save as jpg and/or gif. I'm curious - I've never seen the 730 actually running any pen-aware OSes - does the pen driver list any useful information about the tablet, like what IRQ and I/O ports it uses? Also, I don't have a manual with mine - can anyone tell me about the buttons along the left edge of the screen, what they do, etc.? And is the screen a regular pressure-activated device or was there something special inside the stylus? ---GEC Projects page: http://tetsujin.sourceforge.net/ GAIM/AOL IM: Tetsujin0 - Message anytime -- ICQ: 46909656 - I never use it From cph Wed May 17 00:18:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA31611 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:18:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02667; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 00:17:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02583; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02570; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:17:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 00:17:54 -0400 Received: from Hades ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA05794 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: Subject: RE: Question re: monitor Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:17:39 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01bfbfbf$390ee740$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3920299C.16AE356C@theriver.com> List-Unsubscribe: Andrew: I'm going to agree with Steve. Since we use monitors for soft-proofing digital images, we needed complete color control. We were shipping systems with the Sony GDM-F400 - a great monitor, but is being discontinued. The corporate line Sony CPD-G400 only allows preset color temps, so I went on a search. Bottom line...after much testing, the Viewsonic 79x models have the best price/performance ratio we found. The flat screen 19" AG model with the Trinitron tube should give you many years of happy viewing, and will do WYSIWYG with your next generation color printers. This isn't to start any wars...I just spent 2 weeks testing monitors. YRMV. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Canyon [mailto:canyonlands@theriver.com] > Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 10:45 AM > To: Andrew Webber > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Question re: monitor > > > We have owned several IBM's in 17, 19, and 20 inch... which are just > Black Sony Trinitron's as near as I could tell... very good flat > screens, good color, straight lines, no pin cushion, etc... but not > nearly as reliable as the ViewSonics and Cornerstones... and they cost > a LOT more... > > I would look at all the top 10 monitors... you won't find much > difference between them, look at warrantees, because the warrantee > makes a big difference if they replace rather than repair... and if > they are proud enough of their stuff to have a long long warrantee... > > We have had excellent luck with Princetons, Panasonic's, Cornerstones, > and others which were as much as $300 less expensive than the IBM... > and fit the 600 just as well > > Steve > From cph Wed May 17 00:29:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA31685 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:29:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03343; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 00:29:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03270; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03257; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:29:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.actionwebs.net (216.5.9.4 -> apollo.actionwebs.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 00:29:00 -0400 Received: from Hades ([216.5.9.162]) by smtp.actionwebs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA06002; Wed, 17 May 2000 00:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Mark Lemon" To: "'Mark Gardiner'" <100550.3170@compuserve.com>, "'thinkpad'" Subject: RE: Digital Cameras... Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 00:28:42 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01bfbfc0$c40bd8c0$7700a8c0@Hades.Olympus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200005160909_MC2-A520-E2F8@compuserve.com> List-Unsubscribe: Mark, Buy the darn thing. For $59 bucks you can't go wrong, and you'll find yourself having a ton of fun with it. My Kodak DC20 has the same specs. It's a piece of junk compared to the new digital cameras, but it's the best toy I've ever owned...except for my ThinkPad ;-) Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Gardiner [mailto:100550.3170@compuserve.com] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 7:10 AM > To: thinkpad > Subject: Digital Cameras... > > > OK, Not Tpad related sorry, but thought it a good place to > ask generally > and particularly you guys in US, what deals are around on lower spec > digital cameras...? > > XOOM are offering a Polaroid PhotoMAX Digital 320 for $59.95 it has > following spec: > > * 24-bit color > * 320 x 240 pixel resolution > * Focal range: 3 feet - infinity > * Automatic power saving ("sleep") mode > * Automatic 15-second self-timer > * Serial port download > * 500K internal memory (camera holds up to 18 images) > * Tripod mountable > * Automatic picture counter > * Camera uses one 9-volt battery > > Is this a competitive offer or have you seen better? > > I was always expecting to take the plunge on a megapixel job > at some stage > when I felt prices were in line with a good SLR, but in the > meantime for > mucking around with, this seems interesting...? > > Thanks for any advice/comments > > Mark > UK > From cph Wed May 17 01:20:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA31932 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 01:20:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05558; Wed, 17 May 2000 01:19:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 01:18:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05430; Wed, 17 May 2000 01:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05417; Wed, 17 May 2000 01:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 01:18:31 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Rob Bell" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: This message was created on a T20. Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:17:53 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A2F27@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: This message was created on a T20. Thread-Index: Ab+/pZ28wXoDJmg2Q/S7A3TU/jhIvQAGWJBQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id BAA31933 The problem usually shows up when something tries to use the network. The OS doesn't realize the network isn't actually there anymore, and tries to send traffic to it. Also, if you dial up while you have an unplugged Ethernet card, you'll have two default routes to the Internet ("netstat -nr" will show you what I mean). If you don't try to use the network while you're unplugged, you'll be fine. Win2k actually unloads the IP stack when you unplug the network cable. Brilliant! How many of you know that Win95 *could* do that, but MS chose not to? If you merely stop your PC Card, unplug it, then plug it back in, the stack will be completely dropped and re-loaded, so any network settings can be changed without a reboot. With Win2k, of course, none of this is necessary. ssh > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Bell [mailto:rbell1@netscape.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 8:14 PM > To: ThinkPad Mailing List > Subject: Re: This message was created on a T20. > > > Greg Langham wrote: > [snip] > > I definitely couldn't say the same about 98 or NT 4.0. With > NT 4.0, I had > to > > create various profiles and disable drivers based on the profile. > > I've had a very different set of experiences with LAN cards > in ThinkPads > Running Win95, Win98, and, mainly, WinNT4. I've never had a > problem booting > the system with an Ethernet card inserted when I'm not on the > network. I've > also not had O/S or driver problems when unplugging the PC > from the network. > Token ring cards are another story, but Ethernet is not picky > at all. Certain > _applications_ have problems when they are started while > connected to a > network and then the network connection is removed (MS > Outlook, for one), but > that's not a NIC problem. Maybe it's just that I've mostly > used 3Com NICs and > they (and their drivers) are very tolerant??? > > Rob > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Wed May 17 05:33:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA00303 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 05:33:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22304; Wed, 17 May 2000 05:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 05:31:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22126; Wed, 17 May 2000 05:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22113; Wed, 17 May 2000 05:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.35 -> hnlmail2.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 05:31:21 -0400 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.229.106]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Tue, 16 May 2000 23:31:14 -1000 Message-ID: <000801bfbfe2$d0db2480$6ae51918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: Subject: Linksys ether/modem? Date: Tue, 16 May 2000 23:14:52 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: --Does anyone have the Linksys PCMLM56 - EtherFast 10/100 + 56K Modem PC Card? I've been eyeing that little card for nearly a year now, but no one has said anything about it. It claims to work in 16 bit and 32 bit cardbus slots. I'm interested in Linksys because they are compatible with more Operating Systems and I want to learn Solaris and Linux. Please let me know if you have any input on it. Thanks one and all. --Keith Keith Wong Systems Support Specialist Starr Seigle Communications Office: (808) 524-5080 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu From cph Wed May 17 08:03:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA01083 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 08:03:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02326; Wed, 17 May 2000 08:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 08:02:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02228; Wed, 17 May 2000 08:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA02214; Wed, 17 May 2000 08:02:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 08:02:33 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.174.58]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Wed, 17 May 2000 08:02:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id IAA03235; Wed, 17 May 2000 08:02:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:02:06 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: "Shawn T. Rutledge" cc: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 730t misc. goodies In-Reply-To: <20000516222059.F5340@electron.quantum.int> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 16 May 2000, Shawn T. Rutledge wrote: > On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 12:11:39AM -0400, George Caswell wrote: > > Also, I don't have a manual with mine - can anyone tell me about the > > buttons along the left edge of the screen, what they do, etc.? And is the > > I'm not looking at mine right now (I'm at work) but the icons were fairly > self-explanatory I think - backlight control, sleep, contrast and maybe > something else. > Right. "Something else" would be one of the ones that I don't know what it's supposed to do. > > screen a regular pressure-activated device or was there something special > > inside the stylus? > > AFAIK the stylus contains a passive RF transponder. It senses radio waves > not pressure. > Great. Any idea where to get one of those? ---GEC Projects page: http://tetsujin.sourceforge.net/ GAIM/AOL IM: Tetsujin0 - Message anytime -- ICQ: 46909656 - I never use it From cph Wed May 17 09:32:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA01709 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 09:32:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10114; Wed, 17 May 2000 09:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 09:31:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09953; Wed, 17 May 2000 09:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09922; Wed, 17 May 2000 09:30:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 09:30:59 -0400 Received: by porkchop.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 17 May 2000 08:35:10 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'Rob Bell'" , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: RE: This message was created on a T20. Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 08:35:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I really can't say I've had problems with NT when a NIC is installed and I'm not on the network. But I always considered it a pain because my laptop is a part of a domain and logging on with the NIC in the machine would take f-o-r-e-v-e-r because NT was looking for the domain controller because it wasn't aware the cable wasn't plugged in. If I took the card out, the login was fast because it immediately failed in contacting the domain controller and logged my on with cached resources. Since 2000 detects the media state, this isn't an issue. Thanks for the post. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bell [mailto:rbell1@netscape.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 9:14 PM To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: This message was created on a T20. Greg Langham wrote: [snip] > I definitely couldn't say the same about 98 or NT 4.0. With NT 4.0, I had to > create various profiles and disable drivers based on the profile. I've had a very different set of experiences with LAN cards in ThinkPads Running Win95, Win98, and, mainly, WinNT4. I've never had a problem booting the system with an Ethernet card inserted when I'm not on the network. I've also not had O/S or driver problems when unplugging the PC from the network. Token ring cards are another story, but Ethernet is not picky at all. Certain _applications_ have problems when they are started while connected to a network and then the network connection is removed (MS Outlook, for one), but that's not a NIC problem. Maybe it's just that I've mostly used 3Com NICs and they (and their drivers) are very tolerant??? Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Wed May 17 11:05:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA02308 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:05:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17163; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 11:03:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16860; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16847; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 11:03:00 -0400 Received: from zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id e4HF2wv01898; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) id e4HF2wi29099; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: Jon Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cheap & Amazing 3com pcmcia Hurry Up ! References: From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 17 May 2000 11:02:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: Jon's message of "Tue, 16 May 2000 11:41:28 -0600 (CST)" Message-ID: Lines: 27 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: Howdy- Just another datapoint. I own both this card and a realport (the original). Two problems with this card: 1) when placed in the bottom slot of a TP570, the machine actually rests on the top of the net cable. Here's what I mean: / / | ---- <- net cable | | | |-------) <- XJack connector |__| --------- <- table I hope my bad artwork conveys what I am trying to say. I've never been very happy about the whole thing resting on the cable itself. 2) If your net cable has a weak tab, or is not in properly, it has a tendency to fall out. I have found this to be less of a problem than the realport design. These concerns aside, it is a decent card with good support both under Linux and Winx. Peace, dNb From cph Wed May 17 11:39:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA02535 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:39:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19888; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 11:37:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19789; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19776; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 11:37:30 -0400 Received: from zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id e4HFbTv03899; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:37:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) id e4HFbSb29274; Wed, 17 May 2000 11:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: Jon Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cheap & Amazing 3com pcmcia Hurry Up ! References: From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 17 May 2000 11:37:28 -0400 In-Reply-To: Jon's message of "Tue, 16 May 2000 11:41:28 -0600 (CST)" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: Whoops, my mistake, folks. I have a different card this this particular one, so take my "works well" comments with a grain of salt (though my criticism's of the XJack I think are still valid). In particular, the Linux support I mentioned does not exist. Looking at: http://pcmcia.sourceforge.org/ftp/SUPPORTED.CARDS I see: [3c575_cb driver] [x86] [ ethernet only: the modem is a WinModem! ] 3Com 3CCFEM656B, 3CCFEM656C, 3CXFEM656C which is not good news for Linux users. Sorry to get people's hopes up. Peace, dNb From cph Wed May 17 12:33:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA02945 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:33:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24316; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 12:32:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24190; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24177; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:32:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 12:32:28 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA27563; Wed, 17 May 2000 09:31:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "I Lee Hetherington" , Cc: "'Steve Hultquist'" , Subject: Two network cards in a T20 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 09:31:58 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39219F45.B59AD8E2@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: It ought to work just the same as any other two network cards (e.g. two PCMCIA cards). Nothing special about that; you just plug in two cards and configure them however you like. You can use them both at once or one at a time. I run machines with two cards in them quite often, and Windows and Linux both handle it pretty easily. What exactly is it you want to do with the two network cards? > -----Original Message----- > From: I Lee Hetherington [mailto:ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 12:20 PM > To: d.damato@bay-design.com > Cc: 'Steve Hultquist'; 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' > Subject: Re: This message was created on a T20. > > > Don, > > Does this mean you have a 2647-44U? > > Do you happen to have a PCMCIA network card around? If so, I wonder > what happens if you try to use this instead of the mini-PCI > modem/ethernet card. And then, if you eject the PCMCIA card and connect > the network to the min-PCI card. > > Basically, I am very curious how easily you can switch around between > the built-in ethernet and a PCMCIA network device. I am about to order > a T20 and trying to figure out if I want the modem or modem/ethernet > model. > > Thanks! > > --Lee Hetherington > > > From cph Wed May 17 13:57:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA03540 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:57:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01374; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 13:56:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01210; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01193; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:56:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 13:56:08 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA22414 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 13:56:07 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <3922DD37.E6609AAD@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 13:56:07 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Two network cards in a T20 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Michael Geary wrote: > It ought to work just the same as any other two network cards (e.g. two > PCMCIA cards). Nothing special about that; you just plug in two cards and > configure them however you like. You can use them both at once or one at a > time. I run machines with two cards in them quite often, and Windows and > Linux both handle it pretty easily. > > What exactly is it you want to do with the two network cards? One would be the builtin mini-PCI modem/ethernet card, the other would be a PCMCIA wireless card. When I go wireless I don't want the ethernet card to interfere. Obviously I can't eject the builtin card, so when I am wireless I would have two network "cards" in at the same time. I have tried this with a PCMCIA ethernet card and PCMCIA wireless card in my 600 running Windows 2000. This worked OK. I don't know for sure that the builtin ethernet card would behave the same as my 3com PCMCIA card in terms of tolerating no cable, etc. I guess we'll see. --Lee From cph Wed May 17 15:24:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA04226 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:24:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09675; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 15:22:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09462; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09444; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:22:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.10 -> imo20.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 15:22:43 -0400 Received: from Bmwm61@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v26.7.) id o.4a.5854a67 (8477) for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4a.5854a67.26544b78@aol.com> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:22:32 EDT Subject: 730t Batteries To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 105 List-Unsubscribe: I was able to pry the plastic cover off a 730t battery and found each contains six AA-like batteries. Ther're slightly shorter and bigger in diameter than normal AA's. Does anyone have a commericial source for these sub-AA batteries? Jim (one more problem to solve) From cph Wed May 17 15:33:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA04280 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:33:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11390; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 15:32:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11287; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11272; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 15:32:33 -0400 Received: from whistler.az.com (ip-216.145.8.254.az.com [216.145.8.254]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA10768 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:33:52 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Received: from Buck ([10.66.46.182]) by whistler.az.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA47532 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 12:37:21 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <200005171937.MAA47532@whistler.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 12:45:35 +0000 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Cheap & Amazing 3com pcmcia Hurry Up ! List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 16 May 2000 09:51:29 -0700, Michelle Klein-Hass wrote: >>This card does it all >> >>10/100 LAN >>56k v90 >>GSM >>ISDN (with upgrade) > >Those with older Thinkpads should beware: this is a Cardbus card which is >not compatible with earlier versions of the PCMCIA slots. Yeah. I knew it was too good to be true. hehe. But for now my TP 365XD is still useful. I do appreciate people posting their own PC card results to the list. I'm looking at replacing my combo card (long story. E-mail me if you really gotta hear it). Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Wed May 17 16:21:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA04646 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:21:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15898; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 16:20:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15776; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15741; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 16:20:15 -0400 Received: from halveyc (halveyc.smh.com [204.5.140.154]) by exch1.smh.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id KLA4AKHH; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:16:21 -0400 From: "Cornelius Halvey, MD" To: Subject: RE: 730t Batteries Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:24:28 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfc03d$e7893450$9a8c05cc@smh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4a.5854a67.26544b78@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Greetings, I believe they're called "sub-c" cells and are available from Radio Shack (NiCd). Neil -----Original Message----- From: Bmwm61@aol.com [mailto:Bmwm61@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 3:23 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 730t Batteries I was able to pry the plastic cover off a 730t battery and found each contains six AA-like batteries. Ther're slightly shorter and bigger in diameter than normal AA's. Does anyone have a commericial source for these sub-AA batteries? Jim (one more problem to solve) From cph Wed May 17 16:56:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA04955 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:56:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19052; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:55:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 16:55:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18933; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18918; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 16:55:02 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-457.gate.net [199.227.173.203]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA74700; Wed, 17 May 2000 16:54:54 -0400 Message-ID: <39230733.1FF4B61E@gate.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 16:55:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Langham CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ThinkPad A20 Ship Date References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i heard some GOSSIP that some had shipped from microwarehouse, but a call there proved the gossip to be just baffelgab.. they have none, know not when any will arrive and have HAD none, yet.. Greg Langham wrote: > My A20p that was promised to be shipped on on May 16 has now slipped to June > 9. Has anyone had any luck getting a firm ship date on an A20p? > > Thanks, > > Greg -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed May 17 17:02:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA05013 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:02:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19809; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 17:01:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19686; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19672; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 17:01:25 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-457.gate.net [199.227.173.203]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA45714; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:01:18 -0400 Message-ID: <392308B4.9FBD1F64@gate.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:01:40 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Rice CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: replacement doors References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Tony.. IF these doors are avaiolable anywhere besides the used market, it would be at the boulder parts operation.. 800-388-7080 they also have a web site.. Tony Rice wrote: > I'm forever having to dig through my laptop bag to find the little annoying > plastic doors for the floppy port or the serial port. I usually find it and > pop it back on. Not this time. > > Where can I get replacements? I'm assuming they are somewhere on the IBM > web site but I've haven't found the right path in that maze yet. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed May 17 17:13:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA05084 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:13:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20580; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:13:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 17:13:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20505; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20490; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 17:13:20 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-457.gate.net [199.227.173.203]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA26506; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:13:07 -0400 Message-ID: <39230B79.49A62F5E@gate.net> Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:13:29 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Koh CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Need 560x keyboard help References: <39219F72.F094FD82@stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: call boulder parts, 800-388-7080.. new keyboard should not cost more than $75.. easy to swap out.. hardware pages/manuals http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/cdt/hmm.html (hand typed!) Benjamin Koh wrote: > Dear fellow TP owners, > > My 560x keyboard is on the blink again. It's been working > intermittently, and now the (period/greater than) key has gone out. I've > been reduced to keeping a period in the clipboard just to type proper > sentences. It's getting annoying and I'm afraid more keys will start to > go. Does anyone have any idea if more than the keyboard is at fault? > This is the second time the keyboard is messing up - first time it was > fixed by EZserv. The warranty is long over though. > I would appreciate it if someone could point me to an affordable source > for a replacement keyboard. Also, does anyone have the link for the > technical take-apart manual? I'd prefer to do the replacement myself as > this is my main machine and sending it in for repairs will deprive me of > it for too long. I recall some time ago that IBM has them somewhere on > its site, but IBM doesn't make its technical manuals easy to find :-( > > Thanks in advance, > Benjamin > -- > Clickdough - Paid surfing on a 68k Mac or PC without installing IE 4! > > https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh > Instant $5 cash for signing up! > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com > Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: > http://www.thehungersite.com/ -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed May 17 17:15:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA05094 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:15:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20864; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 17:14:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20780; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20767; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot015.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.115 -> pilot015.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 17:14:29 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (symposium.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.43]) by pilot015.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA39228 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 17:14:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000517171227.00d65a60@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 17:14:28 -0400 To: Thinkpad From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: replacement doors In-Reply-To: <392308B4.9FBD1F64@gate.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: You might also want to try looking at http://bluestarusa.com; they might have what you want? I don't know, but remember they're saying that they carry a huge number of real IBM parts, too. --STeve Andre' At 05:01 PM 5/17/00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Tony.. >IF these doors are avaiolable anywhere besides the used market, it would be at >the boulder parts operation.. >800-388-7080 > >they also have a web site.. > >Tony Rice wrote: > > > I'm forever having to dig through my laptop bag to find the little annoying > > plastic doors for the floppy port or the serial port. I usually find > it and > > pop it back on. Not this time. > > > > Where can I get replacements? I'm assuming they are somewhere on the IBM > > web site but I've haven't found the right path in that maze yet. > >-- >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed May 17 19:11:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA05898 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:11:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27947; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:10:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 19:09:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27755; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27742; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 19:09:26 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.174.58]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:09:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id TAA04761; Wed, 17 May 2000 19:08:58 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 19:08:58 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: Bmwm61@aol.com cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 730t Batteries In-Reply-To: <4a.5854a67.26544b78@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 17 May 2000 Bmwm61@aol.com wrote: > I was able to pry the plastic cover off a 730t battery and found each > contains six AA-like batteries. Ther're slightly shorter and bigger in > diameter than normal AA's. > Does anyone have a commericial source for these sub-AA batteries? > It sounds as though they might be the so-called "3/4 AA" cells. I think All Electronics carries them (www.allcorp.com)... Err, wait... if they're bigger around, too, they're probably not 3/4 AA's... N cells maybe? (Don't remember their dimensions) > Jim (one more problem to solve) > Good luck - knowing that I have a working stylus gives me one less problem, which is encouraging. ---GEC Projects page: http://tetsujin.sourceforge.net/ GAIM/AOL IM: Tetsujin0 - Message anytime -- ICQ: 46909656 - I never use it From cph Wed May 17 21:50:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA06966 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:50:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04211; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:49:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 21:48:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04093; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04080; Wed, 17 May 2000 21:48:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 21:48:48 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA23389 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 15:48:44 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001f01bfc06b$586dfca0$0862183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: [TP770] some deals spotted Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 15:49:43 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Batteries ($139) and 20x internal CD ($79) for TP770 spotted at http://www.centrix-intl.com/ (click on 'Notebook parts'. - David R. From cph Wed May 17 23:35:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA07706 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:35:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10718; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 17 May 2000 23:33:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10548; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10533; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 17 May 2000 23:33:55 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.174.58]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:34:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id XAA05850 for ; Wed, 17 May 2000 23:33:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 17 May 2000 23:33:27 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 730T hard drive In-Reply-To: <20000515164719.F594@electron.quantum.int> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 15 May 2000, Shawn T. Rutledge wrote: > Anyway my ongoing problem with my 730T is the problems with the PCMCIA > hard drive... it hangs when the kernel first tries to find out about > its geometry on bootup, and also anytime I try to use fdisk. It eventually > times out and continues, but with errors. > I assume the fdisk thing is when booting from floppy? (I gotta get me one o them.) > Does anybody actually have Linux booting from a PCMCIA hard disk? OK, this isn't exactly success - but I've got it going as far as booting the kernel. It can't access the hard drive (fails to read the partition info, gets interrupt timeouts, etc.) but as far as "have Linux booting", that's done. It kernel panics since it can't mount the drive but in theory I could mount something else - NFS probably, since I don't have anything else mountable. This is with kernel 2.3.99-pre8 with PCMCIA support compiled in. VGA16 framebuffer as well- lovely penguin boot logo. :) I'll probably start poking around in the kernel sources to see if I can make it ignore what BIOS says about the drives and just treat the drive as a PCMCIA unit. Maybe I could even do that with a kernel command switch - hdparm=0 or something. I'll let you know if I make any astounding breakthroughs. I'll also be very happy. Oh yes. Very, very happy. I'll be one step closer to my ultimate goal, of loading the Palm OS emulator onto the unit at triple scale and pitching it at circuses around the nation as the WorkPad that time forgot. ---GEC Projects page: http://tetsujin.sourceforge.net/ GAIM/AOL IM: Tetsujin0 - Message anytime -- ICQ: 46909656 - I never use it From cph Thu May 18 01:02:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA08091 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 01:02:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16932; Thu, 18 May 2000 01:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 01:00:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16777; Thu, 18 May 2000 01:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16609; Thu, 18 May 2000 00:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acunet.net (208.203.130.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 00:59:44 -0400 Received: from xpool79.acunet.net (xpool79.acunet.net [208.208.7.79]) by acunet.net (8.8.7/8.8.4) with SMTP id AAA13590 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 00:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005180459.AAA13590@acunet.net> From: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 00:57:49 -0400 Reply-To: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP770] some deals spotted List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 17 May 2000 15:49:43 -1000, David Ross wrote: >Batteries ($139) and 20x internal CD ($79) for TP770 spotted at >http://www.centrix-intl.com/ (click on >'Notebook parts'. I just purchased a 770 Li-ion battery from Centrix. Very fast service and the price was great. I found them through pricewatch.com. Now if I can only find a cheap ultrabay jazz drive for my 770. Jeff From cph Thu May 18 08:14:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA09767 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:14:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14194; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 08:13:14 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14055; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 08:13:13 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id IAA10647 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 18 May 2000 08:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3807.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12771; Thu, 18 May 2000 07:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3807.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.175 -> web3804.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 07:40:41 -0400 Message-ID: <20000518114041.18255.qmail@web3807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.4.253.3] by web3804.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 18 May 2000 04:40:40 PDT Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 04:40:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: Re: Two network cards in a T20 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Good luck on all that. I have configured many multi-nic systesm and my only sudjestion would be to switch over to windows NT. If you can get it to work with your existing operating system that is great, but NT has almost always run 2 or more nics without flaws. Garrett. --- I Lee Hetherington wrote: > Michael Geary wrote: > > > It ought to work just the same as any other two > network cards (e.g. two > > PCMCIA cards). Nothing special about that; you > just plug in two cards and > > configure them however you like. You can use them > both at once or one at a > > time. I run machines with two cards in them quite > often, and Windows and > > Linux both handle it pretty easily. > > > > What exactly is it you want to do with the two > network cards? > > One would be the builtin mini-PCI modem/ethernet > card, the other would be a > PCMCIA wireless card. When I go wireless I don't > want the ethernet card to > interfere. Obviously I can't eject the builtin > card, so when I am wireless > I would have two network "cards" in at the same > time. > > I have tried this with a PCMCIA ethernet card and > PCMCIA wireless card in my > 600 running Windows 2000. This worked OK. I don't > know for sure that the > builtin ethernet card would behave the same as my > 3com PCMCIA card in terms > of tolerating no cable, etc. I guess we'll see. > > --Lee > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu May 18 10:01:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10427 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:01:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22230; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 10:00:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22052; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22039; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Kitten.mcs.net (192.160.127.90 -> Kitten.mcs.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 10:00:37 -0400 Received: from Atreyu.the-strategis (heiby.pr.mcs.net [204.95.55.134]) by Kitten.mcs.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA10661 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 09:00:35 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from heiby@falkor.chi.il.us) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 08:59:58 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.42c) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <8230362257.20000518085958@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: Cheap & Amazing 3com pcmcia Hurry Up ! In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Wednesday, May 17, 2000, 10:02:58 AM, David wrote: > These concerns aside, it is a decent card with good support both > under Linux and Winx. I just got off the phone with 3Com. They categorically stated that it would not work under Linux. Has anyone actually tried it and found differently? David's statement certainly implies that he has. Is the Linux support pretty much built in to reasonably current distributions (like Red Hat 6.1 or 6.2)? Or, is there some place where additional software (drivers?) need to be downloaded? Thanks! Ron. From cph Thu May 18 10:09:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10465 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:09:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22997; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 10:08:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22910; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from convex.cs.unb.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22897; Thu, 18 May 2000 10:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from convex.cs.unb.ca (131.202.33.93 -> convex.cs.unb.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 10:08:39 -0400 Received: (from bremner@localhost) by convex.cs.unb.ca (8.10.0/8.10.0) id e4IECAZ22325; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:12:10 -0300 From: David Bremner MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14627.64058.524010.890202@convex.cs.unb.ca> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:12:10 -0300 (ADT) To: "Ronald W. Heiby" Cc: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: Cheap & Amazing 3com pcmcia Hurry Up ! In-Reply-To: <8230362257.20000518085958@falkor.chi.il.us> References: <8230362257.20000518085958@falkor.chi.il.us> X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 8) "Bryce Canyon" XEmacs Lucid List-Unsubscribe: Ronald W. Heiby writes: > Wednesday, May 17, 2000, 10:02:58 AM, David wrote: > I just got off the phone with 3Com. They categorically stated that it > would not work under Linux. Has anyone actually tried it and found > differently? David's statement certainly implies that he has. Is the > Linux support pretty much built in to reasonably current distributions > (like Red Hat 6.1 or 6.2)? Or, is there some place where additional > software (drivers?) need to be downloaded? The authoriative answer (which I believe was already posted to this list, namely ethernet yes, modem no) can be found at http://pcmcia.sourceforge.org/ftp/SUPPORTED.CARDS This is for the latest PCMCIA drivers for linux. I don't know what distributions include what versions of the drivers, but you can certainly download updated PCMCIA drivers from http://pcmcia.sourceforge.org db From cph Thu May 18 11:10:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA10853 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:10:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27910; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 11:08:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27774; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27754; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.magmacom.com (206.191.0.217 -> mx1.magmacom.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 11:08:28 -0400 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA15342 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:08:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port91.magma.ca [209.217.123.91]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA17925 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 11:08:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005181508.LAA17925@mail3.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 11:06:42 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Linksys 10/100+56k: like RealPort but different? List-Unsubscribe: I just got my Linksys KVM kit, I had to get the slightly more expensive one that supports AT keyboards because I couldn't find the cheaper PS2-only one in stock anywhere. I haven't tried it yet, but I think this is an incredible buy if it works -- cheaper than a manual switch and 6 cables! www.linksys.com and the parts are PS2KVMSK and KVM100SK. I wanted the former but bought the latter. If it had been available, the PS2 one would have cost about C$100 (; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:25:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17876; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 14:22:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17562; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17548; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 14:22:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA24187 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:26:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 12:26:11 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: My T20 - First Impressions Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: The T20 arrived yesterday from Microwarehouse. Here are some first impressions: Solid, much more so than my Winbook Xl2. It says Thinkpad on it! Ah, I always wanted that! So far I am quite impressed with both the suspend features and the hot swap bay. Just using the defaults I closed the lid while logged into an NT network and had an open telnet session. An hour later I opened the lid and kept right on working, using the built in Ethernet. Screen is clear and bright, no bad pixels. I don't have time for a full review right now, too busy working on the machine being productive with it. If anyone has particular questions post here and I'll try to answer. Overall I am totally impressed with this machine, everything from the keyboard to the box it shipped in. BTW I have snapped a few photos, and will post a URL soon. The Thinklight is cool! I do miss the Windows key, quite used to it for pulling up Explorer, Run, and Minimize all. Any suggestions on how to best replace those key features? -Mitch -- Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Thu May 18 15:56:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA13253 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:56:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26722; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 15:53:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26583; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26570; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (198.4.92.1 -> drawbridge.ascend.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 15:53:16 -0400 Received: from fw-ext.ascend.com (fw-ext [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA13212; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:46:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from russet.ascend.com by fw-ext.ascend.com via smtpd (for drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) with SMTP; 18 May 2000 19:53:12 UT Received: from porky (porky.ascend.com [192.207.23.83]) by russet.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA26679; Thu, 18 May 2000 12:53:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ascend.com by ascend.com Message-Id: <4.3.1.2.20000518154602.0284c6a0@mail.mac.com> X-Sender: amalis@mail.mac.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:52:45 -0400 To: Mitchell Leben From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: Re: My T20 - First Impressions Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I'm waiting for my T20 to arrive from IBM - maybe I should have ordered >from Microwarehouse? :-) ... I just updated my order on Monday to include the combo card, which hadn't been available from IBM until the weekend. It would be helpful in the future if people specified whether they are running Win2K or Win98SE, since things like network support, suspend features, etc. may be different for each OS. I'm upgrading from NT on a TP 600 so I ordered Win2K on mine. Thanks, Andy ------- At 5/18/00 12:26 PM -0500, Mitchell Leben wrote: >The T20 arrived yesterday from Microwarehouse. Here are some first >impressions: > >Solid, much more so than my Winbook Xl2. >It says Thinkpad on it! Ah, I always wanted that! > >So far I am quite impressed with both the suspend features and the hot >swap bay. Just using the defaults I closed the lid while logged into an NT >network and had an open telnet session. An hour later I opened the lid and >kept right on working, using the built in Ethernet. > >Screen is clear and bright, no bad pixels. > >I don't have time for a full review right now, too busy working on the >machine being productive with it. If anyone has particular questions post >here and I'll try to answer. > >Overall I am totally impressed with this machine, everything from the >keyboard to the box it shipped in. BTW I have snapped a few photos, and >will post a URL soon. > >The Thinklight is cool! > >I do miss the Windows key, quite used to it for pulling up Explorer, Run, >and Minimize all. Any suggestions on how to best replace those key >features? > >-Mitch > >-- >Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing >mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send >http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Thu May 18 15:58:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA13271 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:58:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27208; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:56:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 15:56:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27134; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27121; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 15:56:33 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-59.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.59]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA01161 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 22:56:31 +0300 Message-Id: <200005181956.WAA01161@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:56:31 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: question about TP600 13.3" TFT X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zc List-Unsubscribe: I just noticed there's a TP600 13.3" TFT screen for auction at eBay for a mere $24.95 (and no bidder yet): http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=335399640 I've bought two (ThinkPad-related) items from these folks before and have been most happy with both the service and the products. I was wondering whether it would be a good idea to get one of those for my TP600E, as a preventive measure. Of course there's still more than two years of warranty left, but I'm pretty sure that if the TFT dies on me after that, IBM will probably want a lot more for that part. Is it easy to replace a dead TP600 TFT on your own? What do you think, would such a purchase make sense? Thanks, Dominique From cph Thu May 18 16:14:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA13473 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:14:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28422; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 16:12:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28338; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28324; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.105 -> pilot005.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 16:12:37 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port43.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.182]) by pilot005.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA68280 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:12:32 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000518161018.00ba5780@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:12:24 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: question about TP600 13.3" TFT In-Reply-To: <200005181956.WAA01161@mail.clinet.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: $25 for a TFT screen is an *incredible* price. I'd have a hard time believing you could get it for 10 times that. If you can get it that cheaply, I'd sure do it. As a hedge against the machine breaking in two years, thats an excellent idea. Best of luck on this one! --STeve Andre' At 10:56 PM 5/18/00 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >I just noticed there's a TP600 13.3" TFT screen for auction at eBay for a >mere $24.95 (and no bidder yet): > >http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=335399640 > >I've bought two (ThinkPad-related) items from these folks before and have >been most happy with both the service and the products. > >I was wondering whether it would be a good idea to get one of those for my >TP600E, as a preventive measure. Of course there's still more than two >years of warranty left, but I'm pretty sure that if the TFT dies on me >after that, IBM will probably want a lot more for that part. > >Is it easy to replace a dead TP600 TFT on your own? What do you think, >would such a purchase make sense? > >Thanks, Dominique From cph Thu May 18 16:45:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA13766 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:45:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00952; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 16:44:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00863; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00839; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 16:44:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA27102; Thu, 18 May 2000 14:47:41 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 14:47:41 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: "Andrew G. Malis" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: My T20 - First Impressions In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000518154602.0284c6a0@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Andy, I placed my order on Sunday, had it on Wednesday. No tax BTW. Should have said, I am running Win98SE with the combo modem/nic. I have used the T20 quite heavily today, all on AC. So far only 2 cycles on the battery, as recorded by the Battery Information utility. This utility gives battery temperature, number of cycles, capacity in Watt hours, remaining time and percentage. When on battery it shows remaining time, in addition to Current, Voltage, and Wattage. These are displayed in real time, so dimming the screen shows a corresponding decrease in current draw and increase in remaining time. All in all, so far *very* nice power features. The main reason I opted for the T instead of A series was its lighter weight, since I intend to use it alot on battery. I'll post further data as I continue to learn. Ah, one more nice feature. The Battery Information tool tells you how long is left to fully charge the battery. A few notes on the built in audio. The speakers are on the bottom of the front of the case, below the wrist rests. They face down and forward, sort of into the desk in between the leading edge of the case and my chest. Sounds is crisp without distortion, even at the highest volume setting. I just popped in a CDR with some old Queen. My feet are tappin! Much better sound than the XL2, my previous machine. Max volume is quite loud, enough even in this noisy server room. When I get a chance I'll pop in a DVD. Note on the keys, there is a bit of flex on the top left of the keyboard. Nothing to bother me (yet), but not as stiff as the center keys. G H B T have no give at all, completely solid feel. Is it hot? The bottom of the case is warm in two spots, both on the left side. The right side is completely cool (the side under the Enter key). There is some warm air blowing from the vent on the left, cannot comment on the sound level. I do not feel any heat radiating upwards through the keyboard. I think the fan kicked in because I am running SETI@home and playing a CD, in addition to having lots of other apps going. Ah, just used the built in volume keys, nice touch. They are located above the F4 key. No function key required, and a display pops up on the screen to show the volume level. There is also a mute button, one touch mute. Looking forward to using an Adaptec 1480 SCSI card and hooking into an external monitor. -Mitch On Thu, 18 May 2000, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > I'm waiting for my T20 to arrive from IBM - maybe I should have ordered > from Microwarehouse? :-) ... > > I just updated my order on Monday to include the combo card, which hadn't > been available from IBM until the weekend. > > It would be helpful in the future if people specified whether they are > running Win2K or Win98SE, since things like network support, suspend > features, etc. may be different for each OS. I'm upgrading from NT on a TP > 600 so I ordered Win2K on mine. > > Thanks, > Andy > > ------- > > At 5/18/00 12:26 PM -0500, Mitchell Leben wrote: > >The T20 arrived yesterday from Microwarehouse. Here are some first > >impressions: > > > >Solid, much more so than my Winbook Xl2. > >It says Thinkpad on it! Ah, I always wanted that! > > > >So far I am quite impressed with both the suspend features and the hot > >swap bay. Just using the defaults I closed the lid while logged into an NT > >network and had an open telnet session. An hour later I opened the lid and > >kept right on working, using the built in Ethernet. > > > >Screen is clear and bright, no bad pixels. > > > >I don't have time for a full review right now, too busy working on the > >machine being productive with it. If anyone has particular questions post > >here and I'll try to answer. > > > >Overall I am totally impressed with this machine, everything from the > >keyboard to the box it shipped in. BTW I have snapped a few photos, and > >will post a URL soon. > > > >The Thinklight is cool! > > > >I do miss the Windows key, quite used to it for pulling up Explorer, Run, > >and Minimize all. Any suggestions on how to best replace those key > >features? > > > >-Mitch > > > >-- > >Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing > >mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send > >http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com > -- Mitchell Leben Owner of wine@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for talk on fine wines. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe wine' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Thu May 18 18:02:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA14411 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:02:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06603; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 18:00:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06481; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06468; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:00:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 18:00:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA64568; Thu, 18 May 2000 15:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 15:09:42 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM recalls 320,000 AC adapters In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.2.20000518154602.0284c6a0@mail.mac.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: IBM recalls 320,000 AC adapters that may pose fire hazards. The defective adapters were sold with certain ThinkPad 310 and ThinkPad iSeries notebooks and with the WorkPad z50, IBM's Windows CE subnotebook. About 220,000 adapters were sold in the United States, according to the company. For the full story, check: http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20000518/tc/ibm_replaces_faulty_ac_adapters_2.html -- David Goldman From cph Thu May 18 18:54:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA14684 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:54:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09442; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:54:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 18:54:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09367; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09353; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot006.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.106 -> pilot006.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 18:54:12 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port43.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.182]) by pilot006.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA16368 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 18:54:09 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000518184818.00d5bba0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:53:59 -0400 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: IBM recalls 320,000 AC adapters In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.1.2.20000518154602.0284c6a0@mail.mac.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Dave, I do indeed have one of the suspect units on my i 1451. ...I've only left it plugged in all night, every night for the last 14 months. Ah well, another free repair! --STeve Andre' At 03:09 PM 5/18/00 -0700, David Goldman wrote: >IBM recalls 320,000 AC adapters that may pose fire hazards. >The defective adapters were sold with certain ThinkPad 310 and ThinkPad >iSeries notebooks and with the WorkPad z50, IBM's Windows CE subnotebook. >About 220,000 adapters were sold in the United States, according to the >company. > >For the full story, check: > >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20000518/tc/ibm_replaces_faulty_ac_adapters_2.html > >-- >David Goldman From cph Thu May 18 19:06:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA14769 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:06:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10099; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 19:04:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09989; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09969; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 19:04:53 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jax7-074.leading.net [216.199.5.74]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA00431 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3924A002.FAC@southeast.net> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 18:59:30 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: I'm Interested in getting a New Thinkpad. Which one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello Everyone, I am interested in buying a new laptop computer, and have been very impressed with my 755c. Can you all please tell me about which units you own, and which one is the best? What if I get a unit with a dead or stuck pixil, can I return it and get a diff. one? If you have any comments, please do. Thanks, Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Thu May 18 19:29:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA14964 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:29:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11628; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 19:28:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11535; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11522; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:28:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 19:28:39 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port43.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.182]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA51026 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:28:36 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000518192209.00d6f960@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 19:28:26 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: I'm Interested in getting a New Thinkpad. Which one? In-Reply-To: <3924A002.FAC@southeast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Now that's a loaded question if I ever heard one. ;-) You'll get lots of different opinions, and some folks here really hate others choices on things. Myself, I have two "i Series" units, a 1451 and 1480 and have been happy with them overall, but there are others on this list who detest them and call them unworthy of the IBM logo. I disagree, but also acknowledge that they aren't as high-power as 600's for example. The i Series units out now are in the $1400 to $2600 range, so its possible to get a lower-end unit in the $1500 range, which is certainly less money than a top-of-the-line model A20, which is about $4300 with a few extra goodies loaded. Perhaps if you said the kinds of things you wanted to do with it, others could come up with more specific recommendations. --STeve Andre' At 06:59 PM 5/18/00 -0700, Computer-Guru wrote: >Hello Everyone, > >I am interested in buying a new laptop computer, and have been very >impressed with my 755c. Can you all please tell me about which units you >own, and which one is the best? What if I get a unit with a dead or >stuck pixil, can I return it and get a diff. one? > >If you have any comments, please do. > >Thanks, >Jim >-- > >Regards, > >Computer-Guru >pctech@southeast.net >===================== From cph Thu May 18 19:41:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA15033 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:41:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12754; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:41:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 19:40:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12679; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12666; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.240 -> mta6.snfc21.pbi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 19:40:55 -0400 Received: from chuck ([63.198.207.8]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FUS0023C44BCG@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 18 May 2000 16:33:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 16:33:23 -0700 From: Chuck Blaisdell Subject: Uncommanded standby/suspend To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Message-id: <39241B53.1032.103D1C@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal List-Unsubscribe: Three times in the last half an hour, my Win98SE 600E has gone into standby/suspend all of a sudden w/no warning. Anybody know what this means or how to fix? Is it the sign of an impending failure? I've not changed anything..... TIA From cph Thu May 18 20:14:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA15230 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 20:14:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14671; Thu, 18 May 2000 20:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 20:13:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14590; Thu, 18 May 2000 20:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14576; Thu, 18 May 2000 20:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 20:13:36 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA01083 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 17:13:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <392486DA.41250EAE@stanford.edu> Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 17:12:11 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: I'm Interested in getting a New Thinkpad. Which one? References: <3924A002.FAC@southeast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm a big fan of trailing edge technology, but that's also because my needs are generally modest (word processing, surfing, MP3 jukebox and the occasional game). The only things, to me, that require bleeding-edge technology are digital audio/video editing/rendering/sequencing. If you don't do any of those, chances are good that you will be happy with something that's been on the market for a year or more. It will save you a lot of money compared to current top-end models, and won't be much slower. Also, software support is likely to be better. If you can still find a TP600 series machine, I think those are a great deal. They were top-of-the-line when introduced, very well built and plenty fast. For TFT screens, if there only a few dead/stuck pixels, far apart, you can't return the unit. All manufacturers have their own guidelines on accepting "defective" screens, and you usually need 10+ stuck pixels or a cluster of them within a small distance for the screen to be considered defective. In any case perfect screens are becoming more common now, and you're not likely to notice 5 or 6 stuck pixels out of the 700,000 on your screen. That's less than 0.001% of defects. Pretty amazing if you put it into perspective. I own a 560x, and have been very happy with it, except that the keyboard is starting to go. Given a choice I would buy IBM again, but I'd buy one with a 3 year warranty... Benjamin Computer-Guru wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > I am interested in buying a new laptop computer, and have been very > impressed with my 755c. Can you all please tell me about which units you > own, and which one is the best? What if I get a unit with a dead or > stuck pixil, can I return it and get a diff. one? > > If you have any comments, please do. > > Thanks, > Jim > -- > > Regards, > > Computer-Guru > pctech@southeast.net > ===================== -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a 68k Mac or PC without installing IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Thu May 18 22:31:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA15889 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 22:31:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21201; Thu, 18 May 2000 22:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 22:30:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21087; Thu, 18 May 2000 22:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21074; Thu, 18 May 2000 22:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 22:30:27 -0400 Received: from 452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000519023025.VHRU413.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@452366-a>; Thu, 18 May 2000 19:30:25 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: "Shawn T. Rutledge" Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 22:30:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: List Info? Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <39246F01.22073.FD6483@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20000515114819.B32428@electron.quantum.int> References: ; from Cottrell, Eric on Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:26:20PM -0400 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi Shawn, to unsubscribe: Tom At 2000 May 15 - Monday 11:48, Shawn T. Rutledge spoke about *Re: List Info?...* saying > On Mon, May 15, 2000 at 02:26:20PM -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: > > I want to send email giving information about this list to a person that > > just bought a Thinkpad 730T. > > Excellent, somebody else to maybe help figure out how to get Linux working > with it. > > > I cannot seem to find information on how to subscribe. In fact I tried to > > get the unsubscribe information > > thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu apparently. > > -- > _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com > (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org > __) | | \________________________________________________________________ > Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 > ------------ /no spam please/ Tom Trottier, ICQ: 57647974 TomATrottier@home.com <<<>>> 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Thu May 18 23:33:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA16227 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 23:33:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24498; Thu, 18 May 2000 23:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Thu, 18 May 2000 23:32:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24334; Thu, 18 May 2000 23:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24321; Thu, 18 May 2000 23:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 18 May 2000 23:32:10 -0400 Received: from dallas (ip173.bedford16.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.90.173]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA05015 for ; Thu, 18 May 2000 23:31:45 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: I'm Interested in getting a New Thinkpad. Which one? Date: Thu, 18 May 2000 23:31:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfc142$c40b9940$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-reply-to: <392486DA.41250EAE@stanford.edu> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 List-Unsubscribe: The problem with "trailing edge technology" is the window for it is typically very small- and it takes some luck and hunting to find exactly what you want. I got extremely lucky with my TP770ED/95495AU.... It's a P266, which is not fast or slow by any means, but it is adequate for what I want to do with it. I bought it in July of 99 for $2400, which wasn't bad considering retail wrapped units at the time were still up over 4K, even for a laptop that had "1998" in it's blood, so to speak. I got lucky because I was the first to respond to a newsgroup post >from a gentleman that got his hands on a couple of open box specials. Other than this one case, the only other place I'd seen open box deals was on ebay, and if the unit I got landed on ebay, it would have cost a hell of a lot more than $2400 to get my hands on it. Although, even on pricewatch right now, there seems to be a bit of IBM notebooks hanging around that are unsold- tons of TP240s and others. As far as the dead pixels are concerned- it all depends on the screen density- The SXGA+ screen has a much higher probability of having a dead pixel, but if there is one it is less likely to be noticed. For an IBM product, especially a new one, there should be only 1 or 2 dead pixels tops, anything more than this is unnaceptable. (Remember, when you buy IBM the extra 800 bux or whatever it is is for the perfect screen and keyboard) It appears that as screens get larger and larger, the "younger brother" of the currently largest availiable screen, will have almost no dead pixels... so the good thing is we will hopefully see mostly flawless 13.3s ending up in notebooks from now on. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Benjamin Koh [mailto:benkoh@stanford.edu] > Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2000 8:12 PM > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: I'm Interested in getting a New Thinkpad. Which one? > > > I'm a big fan of trailing edge technology, but that's also because my > needs are generally modest (word processing, surfing, MP3 jukebox and > the occasional game). The only things, to me, that require bleeding-edge > technology are digital audio/video editing/rendering/sequencing. If you > don't do any of those, chances are good that you will be happy with > something that's been on the market for a year or more. It will save you > a lot of money compared to current top-end models, and won't be much > slower. Also, software support is likely to be better. If you can still > find a TP600 series machine, I think those are a great deal. They were > top-of-the-line when introduced, very well built and plenty fast. > > For TFT screens, if there only a few dead/stuck pixels, far apart, you > can't return the unit. All manufacturers have their own guidelines on > accepting "defective" screens, and you usually need 10+ stuck pixels or > a cluster of them within a small distance for the screen to be > considered defective. In any case perfect screens are becoming more > common now, and you're not likely to notice 5 or 6 stuck pixels out of > the 700,000 on your screen. That's less than 0.001% of defects. Pretty > amazing if you put it into perspective. > > I own a 560x, and have been very happy with it, except that the keyboard > is starting to go. Given a choice I would buy IBM again, but I'd buy one > with a 3 year warranty... > > Benjamin > > Computer-Guru wrote: > > > > Hello Everyone, > > > > I am interested in buying a new laptop computer, and have been very > > impressed with my 755c. Can you all please tell me about which units you > > own, and which one is the best? What if I get a unit with a dead or > > stuck pixil, can I return it and get a diff. one? > > > > If you have any comments, please do. > > > > Thanks, > > Jim > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Computer-Guru > > pctech@southeast.net > > ===================== > > -- > Clickdough - Paid surfing on a 68k Mac or PC without installing IE 4! > > https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh > Instant $5 cash for signing up! > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com > Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: > http://www.thehungersite.com/ > From cph Fri May 19 12:47:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA20843 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:47:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16108; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:46:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 May 2000 12:43:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15732; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:43:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.twp-llc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15714; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alpha.twp-llc.com (206.144.148.220) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 19 May 2000 12:43:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (chris@localhost) by alpha.twp-llc.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA08382; Fri, 19 May 2000 11:43:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:43:09 -0500 (CDT) From: Chris Schumann To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu cc: mitch@leben.com Subject: Re: T20 impressions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > I do miss the Windows key, quite used to it for pulling up Explorer, > Run, and Minimize all. Any suggestions on how to best replace those > key features? Try control-escape, Mitch. Chris (who likes the sound of the T20, but lusts after the a20p) From cph Fri May 19 14:14:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA21659 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 14:14:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21501; Fri, 19 May 2000 14:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 May 2000 14:10:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21312; Fri, 19 May 2000 14:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21286; Fri, 19 May 2000 14:09:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 19 May 2000 14:10:05 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA18286 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 19:09:56 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (pri16.dialup [152.78.68.241]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA19169 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 19:09:55 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005191809.TAA19169@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "Dimitris Michelinakis (sehh)" To: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 19:17:45 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris Michelinakis (sehh)" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: IBM recalls AC adapters List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA21501 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA21660 (sorry if this has been posted before) IBM recalls AC adapters for laptops NEW YORK (AP) - International Business Machines Corp. recalled 320,000 AC adapters Thursday for it popular ThinkPad line of laptop computers and a smaller portable computer. IBM had received nine reports of adapters overheating, the company said. In one case, an adapter caused a small fire, but there were no reports of injuries. The worldwide recall affects some Thinkpads in the 310 and "i" series and the WorkPad z50 subnotebook. All were sold more than a year ago. Armonk, N.Y.-based IBM is offering a free replacement adapter. Tim Blair at IBM said the faulty adapters were manufactured by Delta Electronics in China, which is assuming the cost of the replacements. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Fri May 19 16:03:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA22543 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:03:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03012; Fri, 19 May 2000 16:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 May 2000 15:59:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02862; Fri, 19 May 2000 15:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02849; Fri, 19 May 2000 15:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.177.156 -> hs-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 19 May 2000 15:59:51 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id PAA01790 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 19 May 2000 15:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from chi-tgn-gog-vty41.as.wcom.net (chi-tgn-gog-vty41.as.wcom.net [216.192.157.41]) by sphmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id PAA01779 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 15:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:59:13 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.42c) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <7119191928.20000519145913@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Uncommanded standby/suspend In-reply-To: <39241B53.1032.103D1C@localhost> References: <39241B53.1032.103D1C@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thursday, May 18, 2000, 6:33:23 PM, Chuck wrote: > Three times in the last half an hour, my Win98SE 600E has gone into > standby/suspend all of a sudden w/no warning. Man, I only wish I could get Win98SE to just standby/suspend without warning. Usually, it just locks up totally without warning. :-) :-( > Anybody know what this means or how to fix? Is it the sign of an > impending failure? Your usage of the word "impending" implies that you give it a different meaning than I do. I'd be on the phone to IBM support to find out the procedure for getting it fixed. Ron. From cph Fri May 19 17:35:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA23492 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:35:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08418; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 May 2000 17:34:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08289; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08276; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 19 May 2000 17:34:45 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA29387 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 11:34:41 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002501bfc1da$2faa8980$4662183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: [TP560 (or any)] Disappearing keyboard Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 11:35:41 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Every so often while I am online the system stops responding to keystrokes, as if the keyboard was suddenly unplugged. Mouse still works, so I can gracefully log off and reboot, but inevitably I've just been composing an email or Usenet message when this happens, which as you can imagine is very irritating. Any suggestions as to what might be wrong, or what I can do to recover the keyboard w/out rebooting? I've already tried everything obvious to me, e.g. making sure scroll lock et al haven't been accidentally activated, checking hardware in the control panel, etc. BTW, this is a TP560 running W95. Thanks, David R. From cph Fri May 19 17:49:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA23624 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:49:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09235; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 May 2000 17:48:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09156; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09143; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 19 May 2000 17:48:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA68677; Fri, 19 May 2000 14:58:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 14:58:13 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com To: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: Re: [TP560 (or any)] Disappearing keyboard In-Reply-To: <002501bfc1da$2faa8980$4662183f@math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 19 May 2000, David Ross wrote: > Every so often while I am online the system stops responding to > keystrokes, as if the keyboard was suddenly unplugged. Mouse still > works, so I can gracefully log off and reboot, but inevitably I've just > been composing an email or Usenet message when this happens, which as > you can imagine is very irritating. Any suggestions as to what might be > wrong, or what I can do to recover the keyboard > w/out rebooting? I've already tried everything obvious to me, e.g. > making sure scroll lock et al haven't been accidentally activated, > checking hardware in the control panel, etc. If it ONLY happens while you're on-line, then I'd question the remote system and if your modem is retraining or the server is busy servicing other callers. If this is happening while on-line via a LAN, then this idea isn't very useful. One other standard test when a system seems to be "locked-up" is to press or (depending on the system and your keyboard) to see if any indicator lights are changing. If the caps lock light is turning on/off, then the problem isn't your keyboard but rather the remote system or the communications between your system and the server. Also, be patient. Give the system 2-3 minutes to recover and see if that makes any difference. If things resume as normal, then the problem is probably intermittent AND transient. If the problem doesn't go away, then the source of the problem is most likely someplace other than where I've suggested. -- David Goldman From cph Fri May 19 18:09:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA23732 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 18:09:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10322; Fri, 19 May 2000 18:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 May 2000 18:08:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10248; Fri, 19 May 2000 18:08:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10234; Fri, 19 May 2000 18:08:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 19 May 2000 18:08:14 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA29548 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 12:08:10 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002d01bfc1de$dccd3640$4662183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" References: Subject: Re: [TP560 (or any)] Disappearing keyboard Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 12:09:09 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I should add to my last post that the keystroke problem is *not* just for online activity. When I log off and close all net apps the keyboard remains dead, and does not recover no matter how long I leave the machine to rest. Answering Ray's questions, I am usually running Outlook Express and/or Internet Explorer. - David R. From cph Fri May 19 18:37:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA23892 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 18:37:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11829; Fri, 19 May 2000 18:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 May 2000 18:36:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11715; Fri, 19 May 2000 18:36:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11702; Fri, 19 May 2000 18:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from grace.speakeasy.org (216.254.0.2 -> grace.speakeasy.org) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 19 May 2000 18:36:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 11150 invoked from network); 19 May 2000 22:36:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO wald5) (216.254.51.114) by grace.speakeasy.org with SMTP; 19 May 2000 22:36:01 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: "thinkpad" Subject: RE: IBM recalls AC adapters Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 18:36:10 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200005191809.TAA19169@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: There's a website that one can use to find out if your model is affected. >From there you can also fill out a form as well. The site address is: http://www.ibm.com/adapterrecall Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Dimitris Michelinakis (sehh) [mailto:dimitris@michelinakis.gr] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 2:18 PM To: thinkpad Subject: IBM recalls AC adapters (sorry if this has been posted before) IBM recalls AC adapters for laptops NEW YORK (AP) - International Business Machines Corp. recalled 320,000 AC adapters Thursday for it popular ThinkPad line of laptop computers and a smaller portable computer. IBM had received nine reports of adapters overheating, the company said. In one case, an adapter caused a small fire, but there were no reports of injuries. The worldwide recall affects some Thinkpads in the 310 and "i" series and the WorkPad z50 subnotebook. All were sold more than a year ago. Armonk, N.Y.-based IBM is offering a free replacement adapter. Tim Blair at IBM said the faulty adapters were manufactured by Delta Electronics in China, which is assuming the cost of the replacements. ~ H.I.C. & D.B.S. ~ OS/2 Warp ~ Hellas ~ ~ ServerConfig ~ ConfigEdit ~ OS/2 UK UG ~ From cph Fri May 19 19:20:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA24144 for ; Fri, 19 May 2000 19:20:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13771; Fri, 19 May 2000 19:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Fri, 19 May 2000 19:18:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13675; Fri, 19 May 2000 19:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13659; Fri, 19 May 2000 19:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 19 May 2000 19:18:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA17965; Fri, 19 May 2000 17:21:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:21:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Chris Schumann cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 impressions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Chris. A couple of people have given the same response. I know it will pull up the start menu, but then I have to poke around to actually launch Explorer. I liked having a two key solution, Windows|E, Windows|F, Windows|R. Not a huge problem, just something to adjust to. I had the T20 out in the field today, did not bother to carry the AC adapter. After a day on and off with suspend, there is still 1:20 run time left. On Fri, 19 May 2000, Chris Schumann wrote: > > I do miss the Windows key, quite used to it for pulling up Explorer, > > Run, and Minimize all. Any suggestions on how to best replace those > > key features? > > Try control-escape, Mitch. > > Chris (who likes the sound of the T20, but lusts after the a20p) > -- Mitchell Leben Owner of scan@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for film & print scanners. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe scan' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Sat May 20 03:24:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA25863 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 03:24:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28727; Sat, 20 May 2000 03:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 03:20:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28553; Sat, 20 May 2000 03:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA28540; Sat, 20 May 2000 03:20:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 03:20:13 -0400 Received: from user-1054ota.dsl.mindspring.com (user-1054ota.dsl.mindspring.com [64.82.99.170]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA19563 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 03:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005200720.DAA19563@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <001801bfbce9$3ca7e060$3d3685d0@ecamin> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Old tunes and a 760CD List-Unsubscribe: I am trying to find a way to move some tunes off an old 33 1/3 album and onto the hard drive of my 760CD. Looking at the ports, I see a line in port. Looking at the antique stereo player, I see two inputs that go into the back of a receiver. How to get the two inputs merged down to the one line-in jack? Allan Ballard From cph Sat May 20 03:54:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA25933 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 03:54:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00720; Sat, 20 May 2000 03:53:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 03:52:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00644; Sat, 20 May 2000 03:52:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00631; Sat, 20 May 2000 03:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 03:52:48 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA01229; Fri, 19 May 2000 21:52:43 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000801bfc230$8517a000$ab62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Allan Ballard" , References: <200005200720.DAA19563@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: Old tunes and a 760CD Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 21:53:37 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "Looking at the ports, I see a line in port. Looking at the antique stereo player, I see two inputs that go into the back of a receiver. How to get the two inputs merged down to the one line-in jack?" Banana plugs or RCA jacks? If the latter, you can find appropriate patch cords in any electronics or computer store. If the former, then find someone with a newer turntable to borrow. - David R. From cph Sat May 20 04:01:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA25958 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 04:01:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01189; Sat, 20 May 2000 04:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 04:00:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01097; Sat, 20 May 2000 04:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newton.uucp (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA01064; Sat, 20 May 2000 04:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newton.uucp (63.224.105.166) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 04:00:22 -0400 Received: (from perfekt@localhost) by newton.uucp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA07709; Sat, 20 May 2000 02:02:03 -0600 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.4 on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <200005200720.DAA19563@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 02:02:02 -0600 (MDT) Reply-To: Aron Hsiao Sender: perfekt@uswest.net From: Aron Hsiao To: Allan Ballard Subject: RE: Old tunes and a 760CD Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" List-Unsubscribe: On 19-May-2000 Allan Ballard wrote: > I am trying to find a way to move some tunes off > an old 33 1/3 album and onto the hard drive of > my 760CD. > > Looking at the ports, I see a line in port. Looking > at the antique stereo player, I see two inputs > that go into the back of a receiver. > > How to get the two inputs merged down to the one > line-in jack? > > Allan Ballard If the two inputs are RF-type (sort of like the audio/video on the back of a VCR), just head down to Radio Shack and describe what you need to them. The dual-RF-to-mini-phones-plug cable is pretty common. -- Aron Hsiao, Interesting But Fuzzy Memory http://www.users.uswest.net/~aronhsiao/ aronhsiao@uswest.net Home: (801) 973-2614 Car: (801) 694-1464 Venus: 1-800-EAT-ZEUS Ext. 12 From cph Sat May 20 05:40:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA26176 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 05:40:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08725; Sat, 20 May 2000 05:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 05:38:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08625; Sat, 20 May 2000 05:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA08612; Sat, 20 May 2000 05:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 05:38:30 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-28.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.28]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id FAA12323 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 05:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000520053835.014581e0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 05:38:35 -0700 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Old tunes and a 760CD In-Reply-To: <200005200720.DAA19563@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> References: <001801bfbce9$3ca7e060$3d3685d0@ecamin> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:00 PM 05/19/2000 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >I am trying to find a way to move some tunes off >an old 33 1/3 album and onto the hard drive of >my 760CD. > >Looking at the ports, I see a line in port. Looking >at the antique stereo player, I see two inputs >that go into the back of a receiver. > >How to get the two inputs merged down to the one >line-in jack? > >Allan Ballard > > The below options are listed from best case to worst case scenarios (with pricing increasing with each level of difficulty!). :) Radio Shack L/R RCA Phono Plugs to 1/8" Stereo plug adapter. You will also need two RCA Phone Plug patch cables to hook your stereo L/R (one should be red, the other white) to the adapter. Radio Shack sells an all in one adapter with 6' of cabling and RCA plugs included: 42-2481 (It is a 1/8" Stereo jack (goes in your 760CD) to left and right RCA Phono plugs with wiring included. All you need is this cable to get your two devices interfaced if your stereo has standard RCA phono jacks which it probably does looking at your description. It's $4.99. If the back of your stereo doesn't have RCA jacks (phono plugs), but has bare terminals instead (you connect bare wire to screws. Two screws per channel), then you need: 274-883 (Dual RCA Phono Jacks to 1/8" Stereo Adapter), and 42-2457 x2 (Phono Cables that will plug into the 274-883 and then wire to the back of your stereo) If your stereo has banana plugs, toss the damn thing (J/K). If it has these, then get the above PLUS get a set of 278-307's which will connect the banana plugs to the 42-2457 bare wiring which in turn plug into the 274-883 adapter which then plugs into your 760CD. Plus, your local Radio Shack salesperson will thank you for giving them a force feed ticket with a little bit of commission on top of it. >;-P At least get the last package so their lines per ticket is decent and they won't get reamed out during the weekly sales meeting. 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I'm a new subscirber to the list and am trying to set up a message rule to move Thinkpad List messages to a designated folder in MSIE 5. Have a great weekend ______________ David Reid dwreid@hiwaay.net From cph Sat May 20 12:01:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA27218 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:01:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19220; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 11:59:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19107; Sat, 20 May 2000 11:59:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19094; Sat, 20 May 2000 11:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 11:59:53 -0400 Received: from user-1054jpe.dsl.mindspring.com (user-1054jpe.dsl.mindspring.com [64.82.79.46]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA22409; Sat, 20 May 2000 11:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005201559.LAA22409@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Aron Hsiao" Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 12:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Old tunes and a 760CD List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to both you and David. Radio Shack fixed me up for under 5 bucks, American. Now using Windose95 I can record off the turntable to the hard drive. There is one BIG limitation. The recording application, "Recorder" is only good for 60 seconds. Is there a workaround? Or is it necessary to find a 3rd party application? Allan Ballard On Sat, 20 May 2000 02:02:02 -0600 (MDT), Aron Hsiao wrote: > >On 19-May-2000 Allan Ballard wrote: >> I am trying to find a way to move some tunes off >> an old 33 1/3 album and onto the hard drive of >> my 760CD. >> >> Looking at the ports, I see a line in port. Looking >> at the antique stereo player, I see two inputs >> that go into the back of a receiver. >> >> How to get the two inputs merged down to the one >> line-in jack? >> >> Allan Ballard > >If the two inputs are RF-type (sort of like the >audio/video on the back of a VCR), just head down to >Radio Shack and describe what you need to them. The >dual-RF-to-mini-phones-plug cable is pretty common. > > >-- >Aron Hsiao, Interesting But Fuzzy Memory >http://www.users.uswest.net/~aronhsiao/ >aronhsiao@uswest.net >Home: (801) 973-2614 Car: (801) 694-1464 >Venus: 1-800-EAT-ZEUS Ext. 12 From cph Sat May 20 12:14:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA27258 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:14:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19780; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:12:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19704; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19691; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:12:41 -0400 Received: from oscar ([32.101.226.235]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2000052016121422902igsu8e>; Sat, 20 May 2000 16:12:14 +0000 Message-ID: <001301bfc275$7b7cc580$ebe26520@oscar> Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Ripping MP3s on Thinpad 600E DVD Drive Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 10:07:21 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I am using the MusicMatch software to rip my CD collection onto my new 12 GB drive. I have a TP 600E 300 MHz w/DVD. Even though I can rip fine on my desktop machine, the Thinkpad always messes up track 1 of the disk during digital extraction of the music. Track 1 on any disk has skips without fail. When I do the extraction, I am running windoze '98 w/o any other applications running. Do I have a bad DVD drive or are all the drives for TP 600Es not capable of this? From cph Sat May 20 12:25:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA27290 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:25:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20714; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:23:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:23:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20610; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:23:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20597; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (209.15.2.37 -> janus.hosting4u.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:23:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 32010 invoked from network); 20 May 2000 16:23:30 -0000 Received: from aries.hosting4u.net (HELO psykolog.nu) (209.15.2.45) by janus.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 20 May 2000 16:23:30 -0000 Received: from foo ([212.181.144.82]) by psykolog.nu ; Sat, 20 May 2000 11:23:27 -0500 From: "Hi-Young Kim" To: Subject: Unsubscribe Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:27:16 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: How do i unsubscribe? I tried to follow description from the header but I still get new messages? From cph Sat May 20 12:36:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA27308 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:36:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21320; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:34:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21146; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21133; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:34:31 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Tom Franklin" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Ripping MP3s on Thinpad 600E DVD Drive Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 10:33:46 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A086B4D@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Ripping MP3s on Thinpad 600E DVD Drive Thread-Index: Ab/Cdlj3uI0WfXqqRsexRPGMG6UqywAAtjJQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA27309 I do not have this problem with Real Jukebox on any disk on either a 600E or a 600X. ssh > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Franklin [mailto:tdf@attglobal.net] > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 10:07 AM > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: Ripping MP3s on Thinpad 600E DVD Drive > > > I am using the MusicMatch software to rip my CD collection > onto my new 12 GB > drive. I have a TP 600E 300 MHz w/DVD. Even though I can > rip fine on my > desktop machine, the Thinkpad always messes up track 1 of the > disk during > digital extraction of the music. Track 1 on any disk has > skips without > fail. > > When I do the extraction, I am running windoze '98 w/o any other > applications running. > > Do I have a bad DVD drive or are all the drives for TP 600Es > not capable of > this? > > From cph Sat May 20 12:38:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA27316 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:38:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21577; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:36:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21498; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21485; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:36:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:36:52 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Hi-Young Kim" Cc: "Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Unsubscribe Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 10:36:16 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A086B4F@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Unsubscribe Thread-Index: Ab/Cd8QqgvEpM7MxTxOIQMg5xKrxvwAAaPZA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA27318 Sometimes it takes a while for all the queued messages to stop coming to you. If you get this twice, it didn't take. Did you get a response to your request? ssh > -----Original Message----- > From: Hi-Young Kim [mailto:hkim@psykolog.nu] > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 10:27 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Unsubscribe > > > How do i unsubscribe? I tried to follow description from the > header but I > still get new messages? > > > From cph Sat May 20 12:43:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA27342 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:43:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22107; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:41:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:41:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21987; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21974; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:41:23 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA22364; Sat, 20 May 2000 09:41:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "Mitchell Leben" , "Chris Schumann" Cc: Subject: Windows Start menu (RE: T20 impressions) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:41:11 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > > > I do miss the Windows key, quite used to it for pulling up Explorer, > > > Run, and Minimize all. Any suggestions on how to best replace those > > > key features? > > Try control-escape, Mitch. > Thanks Chris. A couple of people have given the same response. I know it > will pull up the start menu, but then I have to poke around to actually > launch Explorer. I liked having a two key solution, Windows|E, Windows|F, > Windows|R. Not a huge problem, just something to adjust to. Mitch, Ctrl+Esc is exactly the same as the Windows Start Menu key. It doesn't matter which way you open the Start menu; any keyboard shortcut that works with one will work with the other. If you're finding some of your favorite keyboard shortcuts don't work, that's because the shortcuts in the Start menu are themselves different. For example, in Windows 2000, the Windows Explorer shortcut has been moved from Start/Programs to Start/Programs/Accessories. You can always rearrange the Start menu to your liking, and use the "&" character in a shortcut name to explicitly assign its keyboard shortcut key. You can also assign hotkey combinations to your favorite shortcuts, giving you direct access to them from wherever you are--no opening the Start menu at all. I find Ctrl+Alt+letter combinations to work well for this without conflicting much with keyboard shortcuts used inside applications. For example, I have Ctrl+Alt+E assigned to Windows Explorer, Ctrl+Alt+C assigned to a command shell (actually 4NT on my system, not CMD.EXE), etc. Just open the Properties for a shortcut in the Start menu and you can assign the hotkey there. While we're talking about keyboard equivalents for the Windows keys, the other one is Shift+F10 for the Context Menu key. For the Minimize All Windows function, to me the handiest way to get that is to slam the mouse to either the lower left or lower right corner and right-click there. (Actually anywhere on the bottom edge of the screen will work.) -Mike From cph Sat May 20 12:43:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA27346 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:43:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22386; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:42:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22310; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22297; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (209.15.2.37 -> janus.hosting4u.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:42:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 12542 invoked from network); 20 May 2000 16:42:16 -0000 Received: from aries.hosting4u.net (HELO psykolog.nu) (209.15.2.45) by janus.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 20 May 2000 16:42:16 -0000 Received: from foo ([212.181.144.82]) by psykolog.nu ; Sat, 20 May 2000 11:42:12 -0500 From: "Hi-Young Kim" To: "Steve Hultquist" Cc: Subject: SV: Unsubscribe Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 18:46:01 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A086B4F@houdini.accumedia.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: No, I did not get a response on my request. Did I get this right: 1. Mail a message to: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu 2. At the subject line: unsubscribe 3. Of course, using the registered mail address From cph Sat May 20 12:46:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA27354 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:46:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22966; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:45:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22892; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:45:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22879; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:45:19 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Hi-Young Kim" Cc: Subject: RE: Unsubscribe Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 10:44:44 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A086B53@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Unsubscribe Thread-Index: Ab/CelmQ8jFjRbKpSIa7PbSDjfDdRwAAGC8g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA27355 Yep. That should work. As I mentioned offline, perhaps mail to thinkpad-owner is appropriate at this point? ssh > -----Original Message----- > From: Hi-Young Kim [mailto:hkim@psykolog.nu] > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 10:46 AM > To: Steve Hultquist > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: SV: Unsubscribe > > > No, I did not get a response on my request. > > Did I get this right: > > 1. Mail a message to: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu > 2. At the subject line: unsubscribe > 3. Of course, using the registered mail address > > > From cph Sat May 20 12:49:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA27370 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:49:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23481; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:47:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23369; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23356; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:47:32 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA73862; Sat, 20 May 2000 09:56:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000520094704.05251890@houdini.dgoldman.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:47:21 -0700 To: "Hi-Young Kim" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: How to unsubscribe from the Thinkpads mailing list (was Re: Unsubscribe) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:27 AM 5/20/2000 , you wrote: >How do i unsubscribe? I tried to follow description from the header but I >still get new messages? > To unsubscribe, you must not only send a message with the subject being 'unsubscribe' (without the quotes), but you must also send it to the proper address (which is DIFFERENT from the normal address used for messages. So, either send a message as follows: TO: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu SUBJECT: unsubscribe or click on the link below: List-Unsubscribe: ; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:51:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23832; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:50:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23757; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23735; Sat, 20 May 2000 12:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 12:50:13 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA73881; Sat, 20 May 2000 09:59:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000520094739.05254980@houdini.dgoldman.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 09:50:08 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: RE: Old tunes and a 760CD In-Reply-To: <200005201559.LAA22409@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:07 AM 5/20/2000 , Allan Ballard wrote: >Thanks to both you and David. > >Radio Shack fixed me up for under 5 bucks, American. > >Now using Windose95 I can record off the turntable to >the hard drive. > >There is one BIG limitation. > >The recording application, "Recorder" is only good for >60 seconds. > >Is there a workaround? Or is it necessary to find a 3rd party >application? Go to www.winfiles.com and look for a third party software package called "Cool Edit". The free edition should do what you want without the 60 second limitation. Let me know if you have additional problems. -- David Goldman From cph Sat May 20 13:12:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27429 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:12:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24718; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 13:11:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24637; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24624; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 13:11:13 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p37.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.130]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA58194; Sat, 20 May 2000 10:11:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005201711.KAA58194@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Bmwm61@aol.com" Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 10:13:33 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 730t Batteries List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 17 May 2000 15:22:32 EDT, Bmwm61@aol.com wrote: >I was able to pry the plastic cover off a 730t battery and found each >contains six AA-like batteries. Ther're slightly shorter and bigger in >diameter than normal AA's. >Does anyone have a commericial source for these sub-AA batteries? I know www.allelectronics.com (a local surplus store) sells NiMH AA batteries, but they might be too big for the battery. I believe they're 3 bucks each. Paul From cph Sat May 20 13:24:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27482 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:24:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25382; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 13:23:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25307; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25294; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:23:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 13:23:16 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p37.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.130]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA58923 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 10:23:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005201723.KAA58923@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 10:25:39 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 730T BIOS List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone come across any BIOS updates for the 730T/TE, or do they really not exist? From cph Sat May 20 13:26:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27496 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:26:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25673; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 13:24:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25596; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:24:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25582; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 13:24:39 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p37.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.130]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA59014 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 10:24:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005201724.KAA59014@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 10:27:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 730T 32MB RAM card? List-Unsubscribe: I recently accquired a Viking Tech 32MB RAM card, but my ThinkPad doesn't detect it. I ended up swapping it with the 20MB in my TP750, so now both detect the correct amount of memory. Is this card just not supported, or is there a BIOS upgrade? Thanks, Paul From cph Sat May 20 14:09:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA27620 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:09:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27205; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 14:07:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27089; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:07:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27076; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from janus.hosting4u.net (209.15.2.37 -> janus.hosting4u.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 14:07:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 31162 invoked from network); 20 May 2000 18:07:25 -0000 Received: from aries.hosting4u.net (HELO psykolog.nu) (209.15.2.45) by janus.hosting4u.net with SMTP; 20 May 2000 18:07:25 -0000 Received: from foo ([212.181.144.82]) by psykolog.nu ; Sat, 20 May 2000 13:07:22 -0500 From: "Hi-Young Kim" To: "David Goldman" Cc: Subject: RE: How to unsubscribe from the Thinkpads mailing list (was Re: Unsubscribe) Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:11:12 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000520094704.05251890@houdini.dgoldman.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hi, David! I have already tried that. No result. No response from the mailrobot and still getting messages from the list. Who is the administrator of the list? -----Original Message----- From: David Goldman [mailto:David@dgoldman.com] Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 6:47 PM To: Hi-Young Kim; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: How to unsubscribe from the Thinkpads mailing list (was Re: Unsubscribe) At 09:27 AM 5/20/2000 , you wrote: >How do i unsubscribe? I tried to follow description from the header but I >still get new messages? > To unsubscribe, you must not only send a message with the subject being 'unsubscribe' (without the quotes), but you must also send it to the proper address (which is DIFFERENT from the normal address used for messages. So, either send a message as follows: TO: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu SUBJECT: unsubscribe or click on the link below: List-Unsubscribe: ; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:21:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27701; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:19:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 14:19:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27626; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:19:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27613; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 14:19:33 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA22189; Sat, 20 May 2000 14:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3926D731.6CE92552@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 14:19:29 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Franklin CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Ripping MP3s on Thinpad 600E DVD Drive References: <001301bfc275$7b7cc580$ebe26520@oscar> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have no trouble ripping CDs on my TP600 with CD-ROM. I wonder if there is a problem using a DVD drive. I too use MusicMatch. --Lee Hetherington From cph Sat May 20 15:16:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA27877 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 15:16:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29808; Sat, 20 May 2000 15:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 15:14:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29636; Sat, 20 May 2000 15:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29593; Sat, 20 May 2000 15:14:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 15:14:24 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sat, 20 May 2000 15:10:28 -0400 Message-ID: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1E2D@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: Cc: "'ThinkPad List '" Subject: RE: Ripping MP3s on Thinpad 600E DVD Drive Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 15:10:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: I've got both a 770ED and 600 with both cd and dvd drives. I've had little success ripping CDs with the DVD drive. On the other hand, the CD drive worked perfectly. YMMV Neil -----Original Message----- From: I Lee Hetherington To: Tom Franklin Cc: ThinkPad List Sent: 5/20/00 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Ripping MP3s on Thinpad 600E DVD Drive I have no trouble ripping CDs on my TP600 with CD-ROM. I wonder if there is a problem using a DVD drive. I too use MusicMatch. --Lee Hetherington From cph Sat May 20 16:48:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA28169 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 16:48:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04130; Sat, 20 May 2000 16:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 16:42:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03859; Sat, 20 May 2000 16:42:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03846; Sat, 20 May 2000 16:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 16:42:55 -0400 Received: from oscar ([32.100.144.185]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000052020425223901mvu1ke>; Sat, 20 May 2000 20:42:53 +0000 Message-ID: <001301bfc29b$3c25e8a0$b9906420@oscar> Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" Cc: "'ThinkPad List '" References: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1E2D@exch1.smh.com> Subject: Re: Ripping MP3s on Thinpad 600E DVD Drive Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 14:37:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Did it usually have skips in the first track? I've tried a few times with some disks and still can't get a good rip. ----- Original Message ----- > I've got both a 770ED and 600 with both cd and dvd drives. I've had little > success ripping CDs with the DVD drive. On the other hand, the CD drive > worked perfectly. From cph Sat May 20 17:06:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28243 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:06:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04908; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:06:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 17:06:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04824; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04811; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 17:06:12 -0400 Received: from user-1054qj3.dsl.mindspring.com (user-1054qj3.dsl.mindspring.com [64.82.106.99]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA12299; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005202106.RAA12299@granger.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "David Goldman" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000520094739.05254980@houdini.dgoldman.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Old tunes and a 760CD List-Unsubscribe: Thanks. Cool Edit 2000 is what I found, but no free edition. I see a "Pro" for big bucks, and the homeboy edition for 69 bucks. It does appear to be one of the best out there. Would be better yet if the cost was zero . Allan Ballard On Sat, 20 May 2000 09:50:08 -0700, David Goldman wrote: >At 09:07 AM 5/20/2000 , Allan Ballard wrote: >>Thanks to both you and David. >> >>Radio Shack fixed me up for under 5 bucks, American. >> >>Now using Windose95 I can record off the turntable to >>the hard drive. >> >>There is one BIG limitation. >> >>The recording application, "Recorder" is only good for >>60 seconds. >> >>Is there a workaround? Or is it necessary to find a 3rd party >>application? > >Go to www.winfiles.com and look for a third party software >package called "Cool Edit". The free edition should do what >you want without the 60 second limitation. Let me know if >you have additional problems. > >-- >David Goldman > From cph Sat May 20 17:42:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28361 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:42:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05976; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:41:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 17:40:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05880; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05867; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:40:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 17:40:53 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA02303; Sat, 20 May 2000 11:40:47 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001501bfc2a4$3436e0a0$8962183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Allan Ballard" , , "Aron Hsiao" References: <200005201559.LAA22409@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: Old tunes and a 760CD Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:41:44 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Iomega has a freebie program called RecordIt that (I think) can do what you want. (Obviously designed for ZIP disk, but HD should work too.) Check nonags.com for download. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Ballard" To: ; "Aron Hsiao" Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 6:07 AM Subject: RE: Old tunes and a 760CD Thanks to both you and David. Radio Shack fixed me up for under 5 bucks, American. Now using Windose95 I can record off the turntable to the hard drive. There is one BIG limitation. The recording application, "Recorder" is only good for 60 seconds. Is there a workaround? Or is it necessary to find a 3rd party application? Allan Ballard On Sat, 20 May 2000 02:02:02 -0600 (MDT), Aron Hsiao wrote: > >On 19-May-2000 Allan Ballard wrote: >> I am trying to find a way to move some tunes off >> an old 33 1/3 album and onto the hard drive of >> my 760CD. >> >> Looking at the ports, I see a line in port. Looking >> at the antique stereo player, I see two inputs >> that go into the back of a receiver. >> >> How to get the two inputs merged down to the one >> line-in jack? >> >> Allan Ballard > >If the two inputs are RF-type (sort of like the >audio/video on the back of a VCR), just head down to >Radio Shack and describe what you need to them. The >dual-RF-to-mini-phones-plug cable is pretty common. > > >-- >Aron Hsiao, Interesting But Fuzzy Memory >http://www.users.uswest.net/~aronhsiao/ >aronhsiao@uswest.net >Home: (801) 973-2614 Car: (801) 694-1464 >Venus: 1-800-EAT-ZEUS Ext. 12 From cph Sat May 20 17:47:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28382 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:47:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06412; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:46:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 17:46:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06293; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06277; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 17:46:15 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:42:19 -0400 Message-ID: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1E2F@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: Cc: "''ThinkPad List ' '" Subject: RE: Ripping MP3s on Thinpad 600E DVD Drive Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:42:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I never got that far. As I recall, it would lock up with the DVD drive. When I popped in the CD drive, no problem. Neil Thinkpad 770ED Thinkpad 600 PII/266 -----Original Message----- From: Tom Franklin To: Dr. Cornelius Halvey Cc: 'ThinkPad List ' Sent: 5/20/00 4:37 PM Subject: Re: Ripping MP3s on Thinpad 600E DVD Drive Did it usually have skips in the first track? I've tried a few times with some disks and still can't get a good rip. ----- Original Message ----- > I've got both a 770ED and 600 with both cd and dvd drives. I've had little > success ripping CDs with the DVD drive. On the other hand, the CD drive > worked perfectly. From cph Sat May 20 17:49:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28396 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:49:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06681; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 17:48:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06607; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot004.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06593; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot004.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.104 -> pilot004.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 17:48:32 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm456-05.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.63]) by pilot004.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA48304 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:48:25 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000520174242.00d61c10@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:48:16 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Old tunes and a 760CD In-Reply-To: <001501bfc2a4$3436e0a0$8962183f@math.hawaii.edu> References: <200005201559.LAA22409@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Someting to think about is the fact that while hooking things up, you might be interfacing things with different impedances, which can result in distorted sounds and possibly damage either the stereo or ThinkPad. Impeadance is measured in Ohms, which is often listed on jacks and things using the Greek Omega symbol. You should look at the impedance of the two and see if they match. If they don't, you won't get good results. Most likely you won't hurt anything, but you could. I just don't know what the TP's are like under an impedance mismatch, so I guess I'd be cautious about this. Transformers exist to interface difference impedance devices. --STeve Andre' At 11:41 AM 5/20/00 -1000, David Ross wrote: >Iomega has a freebie program called RecordIt that (I think) can do what >you want. (Obviously designed for ZIP disk, but HD should work too.) >Check nonags.com for download. > >- David R. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Allan Ballard" >To: ; "Aron Hsiao" >Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 6:07 AM >Subject: RE: Old tunes and a 760CD > > >Thanks to both you and David. > >Radio Shack fixed me up for under 5 bucks, American. > >Now using Windose95 I can record off the turntable to >the hard drive. > >There is one BIG limitation. > >The recording application, "Recorder" is only good for >60 seconds. > >Is there a workaround? Or is it necessary to find a 3rd party >application? > >Allan Ballard > >On Sat, 20 May 2000 02:02:02 -0600 (MDT), Aron Hsiao wrote: > > > > >On 19-May-2000 Allan Ballard wrote: > >> I am trying to find a way to move some tunes off > >> an old 33 1/3 album and onto the hard drive of > >> my 760CD. > >> > >> Looking at the ports, I see a line in port. Looking > >> at the antique stereo player, I see two inputs > >> that go into the back of a receiver. > >> > >> How to get the two inputs merged down to the one > >> line-in jack? > >> > >> Allan Ballard > > > >If the two inputs are RF-type (sort of like the > >audio/video on the back of a VCR), just head down to > >Radio Shack and describe what you need to them. The > >dual-RF-to-mini-phones-plug cable is pretty common. > > > > > >-- > >Aron Hsiao, Interesting But Fuzzy Memory > >http://www.users.uswest.net/~aronhsiao/ > >aronhsiao@uswest.net > >Home: (801) 973-2614 Car: (801) 694-1464 > >Venus: 1-800-EAT-ZEUS Ext. 12 > > From cph Sat May 20 17:50:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28404 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:50:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06959; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 17:49:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06885; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06872; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:49:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.23.16 -> wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 17:49:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 19173 invoked by uid 60001); 20 May 2000 21:49:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20000520214950.19172.qmail@wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.16 by wwcst271 for [24.25.113.211] via web-mailer(34FM1.4.02C) on Sat May 20 21:49:50 GMT 2000 Date: 20 May 00 16:49:50 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Unsubscribe CC: hkim@psykolog.nu X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM1.4.02C) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA28405 The method for unsubcribing to the ThinkPad mailing list is not automated. Unsubscribe messages sent to 'thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu' are handled manually by one of the list administrators. As such, there are often delays between the time someone sends an unsubscribe message and when they take you off the list (especially on weekends). Just be patient... they'll get to it soon. Rob "Steve Hultquist" wrote: > Yep. That should work. As I mentioned offline, perhaps mail to > thinkpad-owner is appropriate at this point? > > ssh > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Hi-Young Kim [mailto:hkim@psykolog.nu] > > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 10:46 AM > > To: Steve Hultquist > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: SV: Unsubscribe > > > > > > No, I did not get a response on my request. > > > > Did I get this right: > > > > 1. Mail a message to: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu > > 2. At the subject line: unsubscribe > > 3. Of course, using the registered mail address > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Sat May 20 17:52:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28420 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:52:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07267; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 17:52:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07193; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07179; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 17:52:00 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA02337; Sat, 20 May 2000 11:51:56 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <004a01bfc2a5$c271e620$8962183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "STeve Andre'" References: <200005201559.LAA22409@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> <4.3.1.0.20000520174242.00d61c10@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Old tunes and a 760CD Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:52:53 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "Someting to think about is the fact that while hooking things up, you might be interfacing things with different impedances, which can result in distorted sounds and possibly damage either the stereo or ThinkPad." If his turntable has RCA line-level output (i.e., is post-Cretaceous) then it should work fine on the TP. - David R. From cph Sat May 20 17:58:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28439 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:58:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07675; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 17:57:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07597; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07584; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.112 -> pilot012.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 17:57:55 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm456-05.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.63]) by pilot012.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA39088 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 17:57:46 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000520175453.00d6f980@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 17:57:37 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Old tunes and a 760CD In-Reply-To: <004a01bfc2a5$c271e620$8962183f@math.hawaii.edu> References: <200005201559.LAA22409@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> <4.3.1.0.20000520174242.00d61c10@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I dunno about that. I have seen stereo outputs which have had 4, 8, 16, 32 and 2K ohm impedances. Whats the standard? 8 ohms? I forget. But I know I've seen strange things from cheap import stereos which were made from what seems an economic decision rather than sound technical thought. --STeve Andre' At 11:52 AM 5/20/00 -1000, David Ross wrote: >"Someting to think about is the fact that while hooking things up, you >might >be interfacing things with different impedances, which can result in >distorted >sounds and possibly damage either the stereo or ThinkPad." > >If his turntable has RCA line-level output (i.e., is post-Cretaceous) >then it should work >fine on the TP. > >- David R. From cph Sat May 20 18:24:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28532 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 18:24:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08510; Sat, 20 May 2000 18:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 18:23:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08405; Sat, 20 May 2000 18:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08392; Sat, 20 May 2000 18:23:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 18:23:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA03505; Sat, 20 May 2000 16:26:20 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 16:26:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Michael Geary cc: Chris Schumann , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Windows Start menu (RE: T20 impressions) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: First, thanks to several members who offered suggestions on the shortcut keys. Since I relied on the Windows key, I never learned that any shortcut can be assigned a keyboard shortcut by right clicking and selecting properties. There is a bit of inconsistency in this behaviour though, it seems to matter where on the system the shortcut is. For now I'm adding these shortcuts to the top level of the Start menu and the keyboard shorts work great. On Sat, 20 May 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > You can always rearrange the Start menu to your liking, and use the "&" > character in a shortcut name to explicitly assign its keyboard shortcut key. Can you explain a bit more how using the "&" key works? > While we're talking about keyboard equivalents for the Windows keys, the > other one is Shift+F10 for the Context Menu key. Nice tip, thanks. I also discovered that F3 brings up the Find command. > For the Minimize All Windows function, to me the handiest way to get that is > to slam the mouse to either the lower left or lower right corner and > right-click there. (Actually anywhere on the bottom edge of the screen will > work.) To create a Minimize All keyboard shortcut, I mapped Ctrl + Alt + M to "C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\Show Desktop.scf". Type it again to bring everything back to restored position. -Mitch --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Sat May 20 18:49:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28630 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 18:49:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09562; Sat, 20 May 2000 18:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 18:47:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09395; Sat, 20 May 2000 18:47:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09377; Sat, 20 May 2000 18:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 18:47:13 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA74870; Sat, 20 May 2000 15:56:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000520154138.05257100@houdini.dgoldman.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 15:47:06 -0700 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: David Goldman Subject: RE: Old tunes and a 760CD In-Reply-To: <200005202106.RAA12299@granger.mail.mindspring.net> References: <4.2.1.20000520094739.05254980@houdini.dgoldman.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:13 PM 5/20/2000 , Allan Ballard wrote: >Thanks. Cool Edit 2000 is what I found, but no free edition. >I see a "Pro" for big bucks, and the homeboy edition for >69 bucks. > >It does appear to be one of the best out there. Would be >better yet if the cost was zero . I believe that Cool Edit 2000 has an "unregistered" mode where certain features are unavailable. Under the previous version (called "Cool Edit 96"), the unregistered mode consisted of a nag screen plus a "choice" of which features would be available during the current execution. That is, features 1-40 would always be available plus your choice of features 41-45 or 45-50 or 51-55, etc. It was enough to do long recordings and simple editing without registering the software. If you actually want to spend money for sound recording software, the best package out there is called Sound Forge 4.5 from Sonic Foundry (www.sonicfoundry.com). They have a "light" version which is much less expensive called Sound Forge 4.5 XP which is worth the $$$ for recording and editing of audio files. Other people are likely to have their own suggestions, but the above two packages are mine. -- David Goldman From cph Sat May 20 19:56:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA28818 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 19:56:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11145; Sat, 20 May 2000 19:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 19:53:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10987; Sat, 20 May 2000 19:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10974; Sat, 20 May 2000 19:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp (210.173.76.3 -> mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 19:53:20 -0400 Received: from ycxfssto (ppp0091.ky.xaxon.ne.jp [210.173.76.91]) by mail1.ky.xaxon.ne.jp (8.8.8/3.6W) with ESMTP id IAA26899 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 08:53:13 +0900 (JST) From: "John Goodman" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 08:53:26 +0900 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: TP Windows key Reply-to: jgood@well.com Message-ID: <3927A406.12553.A20A35@localhost> Priority: normal References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Chris Schumann wrote: >> I do miss the Windows key, quite used to it for pulling up Explorer, >> Run, and Minimize all. Any suggestions on how to best replace those >> key features? Instal "keyremap". I don't remember if it's included in the PowerToys suite or available separately, but a search for "keyremap.exe" on Download, ZDNet, or your favorite Win source should turn it up (it's only ~21Kb). (Or I could send it to you as an attachment, if you're trusting...) Installing it will put a "Remap" tab on the Keyboard control panel where you can remap the functions of a few keys. I have the right Alt key on my trusty TP acting as a dedicated Windows key, and right Ctrl as Menu (which really comes in handy for certain context menus). If you don't mind giving up the original functions, these remaps work perfectly (try Windows + Pause(Break) to bring up System Properties lickety- split). HTH John Goodman From cph Sat May 20 22:12:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA29275 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:12:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14152; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 22:09:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14041; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14028; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 22:09:39 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a31.pm3-33.theriver.com [206.30.150.95]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6ADC25F25 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 19:09:36 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <3927451D.3F5347A5@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 19:08:30 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: Re: What are you using Linux for?? References: <200003220020.TAA03073@CS.UTK.EDU> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: This addressed to the entire list. I installed both OpenLinux 2.2 and 2.3. I cannot get decent sound out of my TP 760ED. I used the "MWave Hack" and even installed "Real IBM DOS" and the Drivers recommended by the Hack. BTW, I'm moving from OS/2 which has good sound... Any ideas? James Mckenze "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." wrote: > On Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:08:40 -0500, Mark Gardiner wrote: > > >If I setup a Disk for an install, what can I sensibly use Linux for that I > >can't get under W9x on my P75 Thinkpad??? > > Many others have answered to your question with sensible responces, > so i am not going to say anything new. > > If you install Linux, you get a REAL operating system, unlike Win****. I agree. I have to reboot my system at work which uses WindowsNT 4.0 SP5 and it "lasts" about seven or so days. > > > What do i mean by REAL operating system? well you'll have to use it > to see for your self. I've been running OS/2 and Linux systems for many > years and there is no way to describe how a real operating system is like. > > To give you one example, 3 months of uptime is a bare minimum for > an average OS/2 or Linux system. Something that you dont see with Winshit > very often. > My system was up for over 100 days. I had to reboot it because one of the processes failed and there was no way to restart it without rebooting. James From cph Sat May 20 22:30:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA29313 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:30:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14686; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:29:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 22:28:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14588; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14575; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.1 -> ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 22:27:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 1671 invoked by alias); 21 May 2000 02:27:55 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 1646 invoked by uid 0); 21 May 2000 02:27:54 -0000 Received: from cdialup94.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.65.94) by ptldpop1.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 21 May 2000 02:27:54 -0000 Message-ID: <392748D7.1C4AF969@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 19:24:23 -0700 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760E References: <200005201559.LAA22409@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> <4.3.1.0.20000520174242.00d61c10@pilot.msu.edu> <4.3.1.0.20000520175453.00d6f980@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Folks, Work just obtained a TP 760 e for use of some line staff. I need to set it up reinstalling Window95. Any gotyas I need to be aware of? -- Patrick West pgp 2.6.2 key fingerprint = 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Sat May 20 22:41:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA29358 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:41:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15107; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 22:39:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15011; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loomis.vermontel.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14998; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loomis.vermontel.net (204.164.106.19 -> loomis.vermontel.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 22:39:06 -0400 Received: from netzero (whit1-168.vermontel.net [206.102.230.172]) by loomis.vermontel.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA86195; Sat, 20 May 2000 22:38:54 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from pete@vermontel.net) From: "Pete Ferrand" To: , Subject: RE: 760E Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 22:40:33 -0400 Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <392748D7.1C4AF969@uswest.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Just to get the bios update and all the other updates from the ibm site. -Pete Plainfield, NH > > Folks, > > Work just obtained a TP 760 e for use of some line staff. I > need to set it up reinstalling Window95. > > Any gotyas I need to be aware of? > > > -- > Patrick West pgp 2.6.2 key > fingerprint = 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E > 41 > From cph Sat May 20 23:30:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA29479 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 23:30:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16451; Sat, 20 May 2000 23:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 23:27:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16338; Sat, 20 May 2000 23:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16325; Sat, 20 May 2000 23:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 23:27:38 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a25.pm3-14.theriver.com [208.164.96.41]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CCFB25FB9; Sat, 20 May 2000 20:27:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39275474.22C4EA20@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 20:13:56 -0700 From: Steve Canyon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Old tunes and a 760CD References: <200005201559.LAA22409@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> <4.3.1.0.20000520174242.00d61c10@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Actually, any impedance mismatch on cables and wiring of those short lengths, or in the range of connectors available would be unlikely to contribute to the problem described. Steve Canyon Audio and Broadcast Engineer From cph Sat May 20 23:37:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA29502 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 23:37:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16802; Sat, 20 May 2000 23:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sat, 20 May 2000 23:35:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16723; Sat, 20 May 2000 23:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16710; Sat, 20 May 2000 23:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.103 -> pilot003.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 20 May 2000 23:35:15 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm454-37.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.239]) by pilot003.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA30920 for ; Sat, 20 May 2000 23:35:10 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000520233201.00d63f00@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 23:35:06 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Old tunes and a 760CD In-Reply-To: <39275474.22C4EA20@theriver.com> References: <200005201559.LAA22409@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> <4.3.1.0.20000520174242.00d61c10@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Well, I've done hookups like this in the past disregarding impedance differences, and have gotten lousy audio, which cleared up once I fixed it. I've always suspected it took really bad engineering to have that happen, though. --STeve Andre' At 08:13 PM 5/20/00 -0700, you wrote: >Actually, any impedance mismatch on cables and wiring of those short >lengths, or in the range of connectors available would be unlikely to >contribute to the problem described. > >Steve Canyon >Audio and Broadcast Engineer From cph Sun May 21 00:08:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA29600 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 00:08:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17756; Sun, 21 May 2000 00:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 May 2000 00:06:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17665; Sun, 21 May 2000 00:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17652; Sun, 21 May 2000 00:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 21 May 2000 00:05:58 -0400 Received: from zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id e4L45rL10837; Sun, 21 May 2000 00:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) id e4L45rf06279; Sun, 21 May 2000 00:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: "Ronald W. Heiby" Cc: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re[2]: Cheap & Amazing 3com pcmcia Hurry Up ! References: <8230362257.20000518085958@falkor.chi.il.us> From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 21 May 2000 00:05:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby"'s message of "Thu, 18 May 2000 08:59:58 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: "Ronald W. Heiby" writes: > David's statement certainly implies that he has. Sorry, if this is me, please see my subsequent followup where I apologized for blowing it. I have a different 3com (non-combo) card which works well. The one in question here has an icky non-Linux-friendly winmodem built in. Peace, dNb From cph Sun May 21 02:28:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA29984 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 02:28:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21526; Sun, 21 May 2000 02:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 May 2000 02:24:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21410; Sun, 21 May 2000 02:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21396; Sun, 21 May 2000 02:23:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (203.96.92.15 -> mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 21 May 2000 02:23:58 -0400 Received: from amlaptop ([210.55.148.138]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with SMTP id <20000521062352.MLG18042811.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@amlaptop> for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:23:52 +1200 Message-ID: <002f01bfc2ed$07115f80$8a9437d2@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: References: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1E2D@exch1.smh.com> <001301bfc29b$3c25e8a0$b9906420@oscar> Subject: Re: Ripping MP3s on Thinpad 600E DVD Drive Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:23:04 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: The trick (at least using Audiocatalyst) is to ensure that the "spin up disk first" option is selected, otherwise it turns into a gamble where you get a good track or not. With the spin up option it always works. YMMV Andreas!! :-) > Did it usually have skips in the first track? I've tried a few times with > some disks and still can't get a good rip. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > I've got both a 770ED and 600 with both cd and dvd drives. I've had > little > > success ripping CDs with the DVD drive. On the other hand, the CD drive > > worked perfectly. > > From cph Sun May 21 03:39:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA30177 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 03:39:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24556; Sun, 21 May 2000 03:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 May 2000 03:36:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24350; Sun, 21 May 2000 03:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24337; Sun, 21 May 2000 03:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 21 May 2000 03:36:37 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-43.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.43]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id DAA13432 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 03:36:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000521033648.008499a0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 03:36:48 -0700 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Max HD size for 755cx? In-Reply-To: <000801bfc230$8517a000$ab62183f@math.hawaii.edu> References: <200005200720.DAA19563@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I'm looking over a work order to put 6.4gig HDs in 5 755cx units and a few 701c's (DX/75). Before I go take the time to track the answer down, let me ask here. What is the max size HD 755cx's and 701c's support? Thanks! Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun May 21 05:58:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA30555 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 05:58:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03666; Sun, 21 May 2000 05:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 May 2000 05:54:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03542; Sun, 21 May 2000 05:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03529; Sun, 21 May 2000 05:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 21 May 2000 05:54:47 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p27.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.42]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA12990; Sun, 21 May 2000 02:54:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005210954.CAA12990@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Mark Bell" Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 02:57:08 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Max HD size for 755cx? List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 21 May 2000 03:36:48 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: >I'm looking over a work order to put 6.4gig HDs in >5 755cx units and a few 701c's (DX/75). Before I go >take the time to track the answer down, let me ask >here. What is the max size HD 755cx's and 701c's >support? Thanks! Not sure of the max sizes, but this machine (again, my original 701) has a 5.1GB, and my TP750 (close enough to the 755) has a 3.2GB drive in it, no problems. I wasn't able to get the 5.1GB to work in the 750, but I didn't spend that much time on it either. The 701 won't show the correct capacity in the BIOS (shows 822MB now), but it'll still work fine. Paul From cph Sun May 21 08:05:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA07730 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 08:05:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07271; Sun, 21 May 2000 08:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 May 2000 08:02:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07134; Sun, 21 May 2000 08:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07112; Sun, 21 May 2000 08:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 21 May 2000 08:02:28 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax27.vramp.net [198.138.8.90]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA37359; Sun, 21 May 2000 08:01:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Mark Bell" , Subject: RE: Max HD size for 755cx? Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 08:08:02 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000521033648.008499a0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Mark, Provided the BIOS has been upgraded to the latest release, it's been my experience that the 755 series will max out at 6.4MB. I've got 6.4MB drives in 2 755CDs and a 755Cs. Sorry I can't help you with the 701, I'm still looking for my first one! Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Bell [mailto:bytehead@bellatlantic.net] > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 5:37 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Max HD size for 755cx? > > > I'm looking over a work order to put 6.4gig HDs in > 5 755cx units and a few 701c's (DX/75). Before I go > take the time to track the answer down, let me ask > here. What is the max size HD 755cx's and 701c's > support? Thanks! > > Mark From cph Sun May 21 08:23:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA07780 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 08:23:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07951; Sun, 21 May 2000 08:22:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 May 2000 08:20:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07751; Sun, 21 May 2000 08:20:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07738; Sun, 21 May 2000 08:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta1.tm.net.my (202.188.0.145 -> mta1.tm.net.my) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 21 May 2000 08:20:03 -0400 Received: from tp390.tm.net.my ([203.106.117.154]) by mta1.tm.net.my (InterMail v03.02.05 118 121 101) with ESMTP id <20000521121953.FQWN7134@tp390.tm.net.my>; Sun, 21 May 2000 20:19:53 +0800 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000521200435.00b09140@pop.tm.net.my> X-Sender: khokk@pop.tm.net.my X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 20:19:40 +0800 To: "Allan Ballard" From: Kho Kwang Khoon Subject: RE: Old tunes and a 760CD Cc: "Thinkpad List" In-Reply-To: <200005202106.RAA12299@granger.mail.mindspring.net> References: <4.2.1.20000520094739.05254980@houdini.dgoldman.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 05:13 PM 5/20/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks. Cool Edit 2000 is what I found, but no free edition. >I see a "Pro" for big bucks, and the homeboy edition for >69 bucks. > >It does appear to be one of the best out there. Would be >better yet if the cost was zero . > >Allan Ballard > >On Sat, 20 May 2000 09:50:08 -0700, David Goldman wrote: > > >At 09:07 AM 5/20/2000 , Allan Ballard wrote: > >>Thanks to both you and David. > >> > >>Radio Shack fixed me up for under 5 bucks, American. > >> > >>Now using Windose95 I can record off the turntable to > >>the hard drive. > >> > >>There is one BIG limitation. > >> > >>The recording application, "Recorder" is only good for > >>60 seconds. > >> > >>Is there a workaround? Or is it necessary to find a 3rd party > >>application? > > > >Go to www.winfiles.com and look for a third party software > >package called "Cool Edit". The free edition should do what > >you want without the 60 second limitation. Let me know if > >you have additional problems. > > > >-- > >David Goldman Below is an article from Toshiba Support Bulletin which will enable you to workaround the 60 sec. limitation in Windows sound recorder. I find strategy #2 the easiest to use. SUMMARY: The Sound Recorder utility included with Microsoft Windows 95 has a default maximum recording time of 60 seconds. To work around this limitation and increase the recording time, here are two strategies: Strategy #1 1. Start the Sound Recorder: Start \ Programs \ Accessories \ Multimedia \ Sound Recorder 2. Click the Record button (red dot) and let it run for 60 seconds. 3. When Progress bar reaches the far right stop, the Recorder will stop and the Record button will redisplay back to a red dot. 4. Click the Record button again: the Progress bar will reset to the mid-point and record till it reaches the far right stop again. 5. Repeat this process till the desired time length is reported. Then Rewind (double left arrow) back to the begining and record for the full length. Strategy #2 1. Start Sound Recorder. Start \ Programs \ Accessories \ Multimedia \ Sound Recorder 2. Choose the Record button (red dot) and let Recorder run for 60 seconds. 3. After Recorder has stopped, from File choose Save As, and name the file BLANK.WAV. 4. To increase the recording size, from Edit choose Insert File, and select BLANK.WAV. This increases the maximum recording time of Sound Recorder by 60 seconds. 5. Repeat step 4 once for each additional minute desired. For example, for a 5-minute recording time, insert BLANK.WAV four times. Then Rewind (double left arrow) back to the begining and record for the full length. From cph Sun May 21 12:34:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA08347 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 12:34:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13693; Sun, 21 May 2000 12:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 May 2000 12:31:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13508; Sun, 21 May 2000 12:31:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13494; Sun, 21 May 2000 12:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 21 May 2000 12:31:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 25613 invoked by uid 66); 21 May 2000 16:34:58 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Sun May 21 16:34:58 2000 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id A21F1E80C; Sun, 21 May 2000 07:55:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: BATTERY DURATION ON NEW TP 600E ????? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu References: <4.2.0.58.20000428220614.00b755a0@pop3.iceka1.com> Organization: X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Message-Id: <20000521055545.A21F1E80C@seneca.muc.de> Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 07:55:45 +0200 (CEST) Sender: hm@seneca.muc.de List-Unsubscribe: Randal Whittle wrote: > Cycle it a few more times to be sure, but yes--1 1/2 hrs is very > short. You should be getting at least 2 1/2 hrs. slightly more than 3 w/ Linux kernel 2.2.14 & APM. -- If Jesus Christ were to come today, people would not even crucify him. They would ask him to dinner, and hear what he had to say, and make fun of it. -- Thomas Carlyle From cph Sun May 21 17:19:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA09423 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 17:19:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08641; Sun, 21 May 2000 17:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 May 2000 17:15:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08449; Sun, 21 May 2000 17:15:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08436; Sun, 21 May 2000 17:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.37 -> hnlmail3.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 21 May 2000 17:15:48 -0400 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.229.248]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Sun, 21 May 2000 11:15:44 -1000 Message-ID: <001301bfc369$e460e140$f8e51918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: Subject: loading win95/98 on TP 701C Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 11:16:53 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: --Hey guys and gals, just wondering if there is a flash utility I need to run on my 701C before I load an OS like Win 95 or 98. I've reloaded my system three times now and it keeps crashing during the install. I've flashed the BIOS with the latest BIOS revision of 12/95, but it still won't go. I remember something that needed to be done or run before Win 95 or 98 could be run but I can't find the file or TP list message that discussed it. Any information would be much appreciated. I've run diagnostics and it claims that the mainboard and RAM are OK. Can anyone help? Thanks one and all. --Keith Keith Wong Systems Support Specialist Starr Seigle Communications Office: (808) 524-5080 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu From cph Sun May 21 18:33:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA09690 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:33:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10951; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 May 2000 18:30:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10768; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:30:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10755; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 21 May 2000 18:30:36 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:26:39 -0400 Message-ID: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1E33@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: "'Keith @ LavaNet '" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu '" Subject: RE: loading win95/98 on TP 701C Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 18:26:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Keith, I've loaded Win 95a and 95b on to my 701c (DX2/50) numerous times on to newly formatted hard drives. I don't remember there being any problems. I seem to remember the latest BIOS being a 1996 offering, however. You might try running the install with the RAM removed. Windows doesn't like dubious RAM. Good luck Neil -----Original Message----- From: Keith @ LavaNet To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sent: 5/21/00 5:16 PM Subject: loading win95/98 on TP 701C --Hey guys and gals, just wondering if there is a flash utility I need to run on my 701C before I load an OS like Win 95 or 98. I've reloaded my system three times now and it keeps crashing during the install. I've flashed the BIOS with the latest BIOS revision of 12/95, but it still won't go. I remember something that needed to be done or run before Win 95 or 98 could be run but I can't find the file or TP list message that discussed it. Any information would be much appreciated. I've run diagnostics and it claims that the mainboard and RAM are OK. Can anyone help? Thanks one and all. --Keith Keith Wong Systems Support Specialist Starr Seigle Communications Office: (808) 524-5080 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu From cph Sun May 21 18:43:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA09706 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:43:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11591; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:42:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 May 2000 18:41:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11463; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11449; Sun, 21 May 2000 18:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 21 May 2000 18:41:14 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA20073 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 23:41:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (pri06.dialup [152.78.68.231]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA07481 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 23:41:11 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005212241.XAA07481@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:49:07 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [LCD] List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id SAA11591 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA09707 What is the best way to clean the LCD screen of my TP? It has some 'dirt' on it which won't go away with a plain dry cloth, and i'm afraid to push it too hard. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun May 21 22:26:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA10665 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:26:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19858; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 May 2000 22:22:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19666; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19653; Sun, 21 May 2000 22:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 21 May 2000 22:22:55 -0400 Received: from davidreid (tnt10-216-180-66-177.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.66.177]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with SMTP id e4M2Mlr01843; Sun, 21 May 2000 21:22:51 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000e01bfc394$8d720820$b142b4d8@davidreid> From: "David Reid" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" References: <200005212241.XAA07481@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Subject: TP Re: [LCD] Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 21:19:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id WAA19858 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA10666 A baby diaper! The real kind, cotton cloth, clean with no poop in'em :) Dampen a spot on the diaper or other soft fabric with plain water and wipe the screen down gently. "Damp" not wet! If you have stubborn spots, blot them first with the damp diaper as to moisten that area to try and break up the dirt. Then blot, not wipe the area. You probably would want to do this to a overly dusty screen as well (blot not wipe) Diapers are great as their soft, made of cotton, far less lint than other cloths or rags. A towel "terri cloth" type on the other hand, can harber foreign objects in the tustles thus cause scratches to your LCD. ----- Original Message ----- From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 5:49 PM Subject: [LCD] > What is the best way to clean the LCD screen of my TP? > > It has some 'dirt' on it which won't go away with a plain dry cloth, and i'm > afraid to push it too hard. > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > From cph Sun May 21 23:26:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA10919 for ; Sun, 21 May 2000 23:26:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22048; Sun, 21 May 2000 23:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Sun, 21 May 2000 23:24:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21891; Sun, 21 May 2000 23:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21877; Sun, 21 May 2000 23:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.32 -> smtp.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 21 May 2000 23:24:51 -0400 Received: from s3212.south-green.ohiou.edu (HELO daveb) (132.235.155.212) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2000 20:24:47 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Dave B." To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: Linksys ether/modem? Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:24:46 -0400 Keywords: Miscellaneous Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000801bfbfe2$d0db2480$6ae51918@hawaii.rr.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Keith, I used that card with my Libretto 50 and when I first got my PictureBook. (It was later replaced with a 3Com CardBus adapter with XJack, but that's not the point.) The card worked very well. The modem consistently connected at (relatively) high speeds compared to some mobile modems (50 Kbps and above), and the LAN half of the card was very nice, as well. The integrated connectors were nice because it means no dongles. (I hate dongles.) The LAN part is capable of half and full duplex operation at 10 Mbps, but only half duplex at 100 Mbps. This isn't much of an issue unless you're connected to a switch instead of a hub. Besides, due to the architecture of 16-bit PC Cards, you won't really see "real" 100 Mbps anyway--the only way you're going to approach that is with a CardBus card. Yes, the card will work in either 16-bit PC Card slots or 32-bit CardBus slots as the latter are backward-compatible with the former. If you have CardBus slots, though, I've really got to recommend a CardBus card. They run MUCH cooler, consume less power, and are capable of higher speeds than any standard PC Card. As far as I can tell, 3Com is still selling a modem/LAN combo card that lists for $269 for only $99. The down side, since you mentioned Linux, is that the modem is a Winmodem, not a true hardware modem. As such, you're not going to get much use out of the modem portion of the card when using Linux, but reports claim the LAN half works like a charm. Hope this helped. Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Keith @ LavaNet [mailto:pirate@lava.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 05:15 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Linksys ether/modem? > > --Does anyone have the Linksys PCMLM56 - EtherFast 10/100 + > 56K Modem PC Card? I've been eyeing that little card for nearly > a year now, but no one has said anything about it. It claims to > work in 16 bit and 32 bit cardbus slots. I'm interested in > Linksys because they are compatible with more Operating Systems > and I want to learn Solaris and Linux. Please let me know if you > have any input on it. Thanks one and all. > [snip] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Mon May 22 02:58:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA11685 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 02:58:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29250; Mon, 22 May 2000 02:57:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 02:56:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29109; Mon, 22 May 2000 02:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loki.imaginet.fr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29077; Mon, 22 May 2000 02:56:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loki.imaginet.fr (195.68.86.5 -> loki.imaginet.fr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 02:56:54 -0400 Received: from miles ([195.68.118.222]) by loki.imaginet.fr (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA24399; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:53:16 +0200 (MET DST) From: "David Newman" To: "David Goldman" , Subject: RE: Old tunes and a 760CD Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 02:56:37 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000520154138.05257100@houdini.dgoldman.com> List-Unsubscribe: see also Goldwave (www.goldwave.com), an amazingly good shareware audio-editing package dn > -----Original Message----- > From: David Goldman [mailto:David@dgoldman.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2000 6:47 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: Old tunes and a 760CD > > > At 02:13 PM 5/20/2000 , Allan Ballard wrote: > >Thanks. Cool Edit 2000 is what I found, but no free edition. > >I see a "Pro" for big bucks, and the homeboy edition for > >69 bucks. > > > >It does appear to be one of the best out there. Would be > >better yet if the cost was zero . > > I believe that Cool Edit 2000 has an "unregistered" mode where > certain features are unavailable. Under the previous version > (called "Cool Edit 96"), the unregistered mode consisted of a > nag screen plus a "choice" of which features would be available > during the current execution. That is, features 1-40 would always > be available plus your choice of features 41-45 or 45-50 or 51-55, > etc. It was enough to do long recordings and simple editing without > registering the software. If you actually want to spend money for > sound recording software, the best package out there is called > Sound Forge 4.5 from Sonic Foundry (www.sonicfoundry.com). They > have a "light" version which is much less expensive called Sound > Forge 4.5 XP which is worth the $$$ for recording and editing of > audio files. > > Other people are likely to have their own suggestions, but the above > two packages are mine. > > -- > David Goldman > > From cph Mon May 22 04:07:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA11916 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 04:07:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03177; Mon, 22 May 2000 04:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 04:04:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02773; Mon, 22 May 2000 04:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loki.imaginet.fr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02760; Mon, 22 May 2000 04:04:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from loki.imaginet.fr (195.68.86.5 -> loki.imaginet.fr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 04:04:40 -0400 Received: from miles ([195.68.118.222]) by loki.imaginet.fr (8.9.3/8.8.8) with SMTP id KAA25567; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:01:11 +0200 (MET DST) From: "David Newman" To: "David Reid" , "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" Subject: RE: TP Re: [LCD] Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 04:04:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000e01bfc394$8d720820$b142b4d8@davidreid> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: > A towel "terri cloth" type on the other hand, can harber foreign > objects in the tustles thus cause scratches to your LCD. I've also heard that the factory washes the screens in rubbing alcohol (isopropyl). I've used a little rubbing alcohol with a lint-free cloth for years, with no ill effects. dn From cph Mon May 22 05:26:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA12213 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 05:26:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10890; Mon, 22 May 2000 05:25:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 05:23:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10776; Mon, 22 May 2000 05:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10755; Mon, 22 May 2000 05:23:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.33 -> hnlmail1.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 05:23:09 -0400 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.229.248]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Sun, 21 May 2000 23:23:03 -1000 Message-ID: <001301bfc3cf$800c4e80$f8e51918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: References: Subject: Re: Linksys ether/modem? Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 23:24:14 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Dave, yeah any bit of input is great! =) I may pick up that card but it may be a ways off as I have been informed that my Sprint PCS phone may be able to reach 128kbps later in the year. Still... I wonder who the heck would be able to service a 128kbps modem call other than ADSL or ISDN? Well I guess if my little Startac could reach 56kbps later in the year I would be thrilled. They promise all of this with the phone acting as a modem and it connected to a laptop through a serial port. Weird huh? Well as I said they "promised" and we all know that hardware can be vaporware as well. Cheers everyone and thanks for all the previous input on the Linksys ether/modem card. --Keith Keith Wong Chief Systems Engineer Omega Tech Consulting Office: (808) 524-5080 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave B. To: ThinkPad Mailing List Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 5:24 PM Subject: RE: Linksys ether/modem? > Keith, > > I used that card with my Libretto 50 and when I first got my > PictureBook. (It was later replaced with a 3Com CardBus adapter with > XJack, but that's not the point.) The card worked very well. The modem > consistently connected at (relatively) high speeds compared to some > mobile modems (50 Kbps and above), and the LAN half of the card was very > nice, as well. The integrated connectors were nice because it means no > dongles. (I hate dongles.) > > The LAN part is capable of half and full duplex operation at 10 Mbps, > but only half duplex at 100 Mbps. This isn't much of an issue unless > you're connected to a switch instead of a hub. Besides, due to the > architecture of 16-bit PC Cards, you won't really see "real" 100 Mbps > anyway--the only way you're going to approach that is with a CardBus > card. > > Yes, the card will work in either 16-bit PC Card slots or 32-bit CardBus > slots as the latter are backward-compatible with the former. If you > have CardBus slots, though, I've really got to recommend a CardBus card. > They run MUCH cooler, consume less power, and are capable of higher > speeds than any standard PC Card. As far as I can tell, 3Com is still > selling a modem/LAN combo card that lists for $269 for only $99. The > down side, since you mentioned Linux, is that the modem is a Winmodem, > not a true hardware modem. As such, you're not going to get much use > out of the modem portion of the card when using Linux, but reports claim > the LAN half works like a charm. > > Hope this helped. > > Dave > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Keith @ LavaNet [mailto:pirate@lava.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 05:15 AM > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Linksys ether/modem? > > > > --Does anyone have the Linksys PCMLM56 - EtherFast 10/100 + > > 56K Modem PC Card? I've been eyeing that little card for nearly > > a year now, but no one has said anything about it. It claims to > > work in 16 bit and 32 bit cardbus slots. I'm interested in > > Linksys because they are compatible with more Operating Systems > > and I want to learn Solaris and Linux. Please let me know if you > > have any input on it. Thanks one and all. > > [snip] > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > From cph Mon May 22 08:06:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA13019 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:06:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15796; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:05:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 08:04:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15691; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:04:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15678; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 08:04:04 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA00192 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:04:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (pri10.dialup [152.78.68.235]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA12035 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:03:58 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005221203.NAA12035@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:11:55 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [LCD] List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA15796 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA13020 Thank you all for your comments on the LCD cleaning, i'll try them today. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon May 22 09:36:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA13439 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:36:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19689; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 09:33:48 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19384; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 09:33:47 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id JAA23496 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:33:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mana.pf (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26849; Mon, 22 May 2000 01:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mana.pf (202.3.225.102 -> smtp.mana.pf) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 01:52:43 -0400 Received: from vaianae (d3-177.sl.mana.pf [202.3.226.177]) by smtp.mana.pf (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA09757 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 06:54:18 -1000 Reply-To: From: "Jimmy E. Chanzi" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: LCD Date: Sun, 21 May 2000 19:52:07 -1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I use Klear Screen Laptop and Computer screen cleaner. Spray it on, wipe it off - real nice. >From the bottle: "Recommended for the Macinstosh Powerbook, Duo, Newton, IBM Thinkpad and all laptop, touchscreen and Pen based computers" Phone: 1-800-50-KLEAR, Danville, CA Jimmy From cph Mon May 22 10:16:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA13771 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:16:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22021; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 10:14:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21865; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21850; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 10:14:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05323 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 08:17:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 08:17:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Thinkpad List Subject: IR Palm Pilot Hotsync - T20 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I have exhausted 3com's tech support on this matter, perhaps someone here can shed some light. IR is working fine on the T20 between laptops. IR is working fine on the Palm III between two Palms. The laptop sees the Palm when it comes near, but I am having problems with the HotSync software to recognize the proper serial port. The IR control panel indicates Com5 support. With 3com's help I edited the registry to force the HotSync program to use Com5, but it rejects it as a non valid port. They pointed me to a document for older Thinkpads, I have not tried these yet: http://www.palm.com/support/helpnotes/desktop/thinkpad.html Next stop is IBM directly, but I thought I'd stop in here first. Thanks. -Mitch --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Mon May 22 10:41:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA13994 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:41:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23729; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:40:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 10:39:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23622; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0k.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23608; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:39:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0k.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.40 -> www0k.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 10:39:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 19741 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2000 14:39:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000522143928.19740.qmail@www0k.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.40 by www0k for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(34FM1.4.02C) on Mon May 22 14:39:28 GMT 2000 Date: 22 May 00 09:39:28 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Mitchell Leben , Thinkpad List Subject: Re: IR Palm Pilot Hotsync - T20 X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM1.4.02C) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA13995 Mitch, Can you use the ThinkPad Configuration program to set the IR port to another COM port? I have mine working on a 770 with NT4 as COM2. Having just set up my Palm Vx over the weekend, I can say that most of the info from Palm seems to indicate that they like to use COM1 through COM3 most. Strangely enough, IR is the only thing I could get to work on this machine. For some reason I just can't get the serial connection set up right. One last thing... You're not using Windows 2000, are you? There are known problems preventing Palm-to-PC IR under Win2K at all. See the Palm web site for more info. As an off-topic side note, I'd be greatful if anyone could tell me how to make my Palm Vx sync with Outlook 98 instead of the Palm Desktop? I know I had a choice at the time I installed the Desktop software to choose Outlook, but I'd really rather not uninstall and re-install now that I have IR working. HTH, Rob Mitchell Leben wrote: > I have exhausted 3com's tech support on this matter, perhaps someone here > can shed some light. > > IR is working fine on the T20 between laptops. IR is working fine on the > Palm III between two Palms. The laptop sees the Palm when it comes near, > but I am having problems with the HotSync software to recognize the proper > serial port. > > The IR control panel indicates Com5 support. With 3com's help I edited the > registry to force the HotSync program to use Com5, but it rejects it as a > non valid port. They pointed me to a document for older Thinkpads, I have > not tried these yet: > > http://www.palm.com/support/helpnotes/desktop/thinkpad.html > > Next stop is IBM directly, but I thought I'd stop in here first. > > Thanks. > > -Mitch > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing > mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send > http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Mon May 22 11:13:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA14268 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:13:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25929; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:12:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 11:10:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25765; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25750; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 11:10:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06438; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:14:12 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:14:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Rob Bell cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: IR Palm Pilot Hotsync - T20 In-Reply-To: <20000522143928.19740.qmail@www0k.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Sorry, I keep forgetting to mention OS. Win98SE. I am looking through the Thinkpad Configuration utility but cannot find where to change the IR COM port. Can you give me the clicks to get there? Can't help with your sync question, I only know how to do that by reinstalling. On 22 May 2000, Rob Bell wrote: > Mitch, > > Can you use the ThinkPad Configuration program to set the IR port to another > COM port? I have mine working on a 770 with NT4 as COM2. Having just set up > my Palm Vx over the weekend, I can say that most of the info from Palm seems > to indicate that they like to use COM1 through COM3 most. Strangely enough, > IR is the only thing I could get to work on this machine. For some reason I > just can't get the serial connection set up right. > > As an off-topic side note, I'd be greatful if anyone could tell me how to make > my Palm Vx sync with Outlook 98 instead of the Palm Desktop? I know I had a > choice at the time I installed the Desktop software to choose Outlook, but I'd > really rather not uninstall and re-install now that I have IR working. 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Subject: Re: Linksys ether/modem? To: "Keith @ LavaNet" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: That sounds great, IF you can believe any of Sprint's promises! I just got Speedchoice installed last month, that's Sprint Broadband two way microwave. They promise 5Mbps and "up to 100 times faster than a modem" on their web site but don't believe it. It has gone down almost everyday and the speed runs at a crawl. Usually my phone modem is faster! When it is working OK it only gets 100-200Kbps but there is 30-40% packet loss making it hard to do anything on Internet. They have almost given up trying to fix it. --- "Keith @ LavaNet" wrote: > Thanks Dave, yeah any bit of input is great! =) I > may pick up that card but > it may be a ways off as I have been informed that my > Sprint PCS phone may be > able to reach 128kbps later in the year. Still... I > wonder who the heck > would be able to service a 128kbps modem call other > than ADSL or ISDN? Well > I guess if my little Startac could reach 56kbps > later in the year I would be > thrilled. They promise all of this with the phone > acting as a modem and it > connected to a laptop through a serial port. Weird > huh? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Mon May 22 12:08:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA14750 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:08:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00713; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:07:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 12:07:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00632; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:07:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww184.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00619; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww184.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.84 -> ww184.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 12:07:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 12243 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2000 16:07:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000522160706.12242.qmail@ww184.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.84 by ww184 for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(34FM1.4.02C) on Mon May 22 16:07:06 GMT 2000 Date: 22 May 00 11:07:06 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Mitchell Leben Subject: Re: IR Palm Pilot Hotsync - T20 CC: Thinkpad List X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM1.4.02C) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA14751 On my ThinkPad Configuration screen (for NT on a 770), the IR icon is fourth down on the left side. If I click on it I get a dialog where I can enable or disable it and choose front, rear, or both. That dialog also has an 'Advanced' button, which is where I can specify the COM port and the DMA info. Once you change a COM port you'll need to reboot. HTH, Rob Mitchell Leben wrote: > Sorry, I keep forgetting to mention OS. Win98SE. > > I am looking through the Thinkpad Configuration utility but cannot find > where to change the IR COM port. Can you give me the clicks to get there? > > Can't help with your sync question, I only know how to do that by > reinstalling. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Mon May 22 12:34:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA14925 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:34:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03019; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 12:32:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02857; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:32:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02842; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 12:32:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA08276; Mon, 22 May 2000 10:35:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 10:35:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Rob Bell cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: IR Palm Pilot Hotsync - T20 Win98SE In-Reply-To: <20000522160706.12242.qmail@ww184.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Unfortunately the 'Advanced' button does not exist on this machine. I can find no setting to specify which COM port to use. I just got off the phone with IBM. In short they claim it is a 3com software issue, and the Thinkpad is working fine. We reinstalled the Palm Desktop and Hotsync a couple of times to no avail. My contention is that the Virtual COM5 is not working properly. IBM says that some other device will work with COM5, just that something is wrong with the Palm software. I want to change it to COM4, but the tech at IBM could not tell me how to do so. Evidently the options in the Thinkpad Configuration Utility are different on the T20. So I can sync with the serial cable, still no IR. IR users beware the T20, at least for now. BTW the IR does work fine between laptops. On 22 May 2000, Rob Bell wrote: > On my ThinkPad Configuration screen (for NT on a 770), the IR icon is fourth > down on the left side. If I click on it I get a dialog where I can enable or > disable it and choose front, rear, or both. That dialog also has an > 'Advanced' button, which is where I can specify the COM port and the DMA info. > Once you change a COM port you'll need to reboot. From cph Mon May 22 12:44:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15004 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:44:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03978; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 12:43:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03877; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:43:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03833; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:42:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 12:42:57 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA07315; Mon, 22 May 2000 09:42:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." , "thinkpad" Subject: RE: [LCD] Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 09:42:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200005221203.NAA12035@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > Thank you all for your comments on the LCD cleaning, i'll > try them today. Here's one more--and this all applies to the ThinkPad case as well as the LCD. Don't use straight isopropyl/rubbing alcohol--dilute it 50-50 with water (filtered or distilled is good, regular tap water is OK). I keep a bottle pre-diluted ready to use. Be sure it's isopropyl and not some other kind of alcohol--I've heard that "rubbing alcohol" may not be isopropyl in some countries. If you don't have cotton baby diapers handy, a 100% cotton dishtowel is fine (I agree about not using terrycloth). You don't need to buy diapers just for this. Sometimes a stubborn oily spot will not clean off with the alcohol. When that happens, I rub my finger on a wet bar of soap and then gently apply that to the oily spot, then clean off the soap with the alcohol solution and wipe dry. If you use any kind of spray solution, *never* spray it directly on the LCD. Too much chance of it seeping past the edges of the screen. Same goes for CRTs and mirrors. You've probably seen car rearview mirrors damaged by direct spraying: They get a spotty corrosion around the edges. 50-50 isopropyl/water is a lot cheaper than any kind of specialized spray anyway, and it's just as effective. -Mike From cph Mon May 22 13:21:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15337 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:21:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06987; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 13:17:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06686; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0r.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06673; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0r.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.47 -> www0r.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 13:17:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 22564 invoked by uid 60001); 22 May 2000 17:17:18 -0000 Message-ID: <20000522171718.22563.qmail@www0r.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.47 by www0r for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(34FM1.4.02C) on Mon May 22 17:17:18 GMT 2000 Date: 22 May 00 12:17:18 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Mitchell Leben Subject: Re: IR Palm Pilot Hotsync - T20 Win98SE CC: Thinkpad List X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM1.4.02C) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA15338 Since you're running Win98, is there an 'Infrared' icon in your ThinkPad's Control Panel that might contain the COM port settings? Or maybe check under Device Manager? Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Mon May 22 13:30:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15409 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:30:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07764; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:29:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 13:27:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07555; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:27:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07542; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 13:27:39 -0400 Received: from uniblab (uniblab [146.88.9.146]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA23093 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 11:27:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002701bfc412$f6d9fd80$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: "Thinkpad List" References: Subject: Re: IR Palm Pilot Hotsync - T20 Win98SE Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 11:27:11 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I have a 600X with Win98SE. If I go to the device manager and look around in the infrared device stuff I can't see a place to change the IRQ either. But If I look at Network Adapters and select IBM ThinkPad Fast Infrared Port (which my installation just set up bound with TCP/IP by default) I can change the IRQ there. I don't know if this helps. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitchell Leben" To: "Rob Bell" Cc: "Thinkpad List" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 09:35 Subject: Re: IR Palm Pilot Hotsync - T20 Win98SE > Unfortunately the 'Advanced' button does not exist on this machine. I can > find no setting to specify which COM port to use. > > I just got off the phone with IBM. In short they claim it is a 3com > software issue, and the Thinkpad is working fine. We reinstalled the Palm > Desktop and Hotsync a couple of times to no avail. > > My contention is that the Virtual COM5 is not working properly. IBM says > that some other device will work with COM5, just that something is wrong > with the Palm software. I want to change it to COM4, but the tech at IBM > could not tell me how to do so. Evidently the options in the Thinkpad > Configuration Utility are different on the T20. > > So I can sync with the serial cable, still no IR. > > IR users beware the T20, at least for now. BTW the IR does work fine > between laptops. > > On 22 May 2000, Rob Bell wrote: > > > On my ThinkPad Configuration screen (for NT on a 770), the IR icon is fourth > > down on the left side. If I click on it I get a dialog where I can enable or > > disable it and choose front, rear, or both. That dialog also has an > > 'Advanced' button, which is where I can specify the COM port and the DMA info. > > Once you change a COM port you'll need to reboot. > > From cph Mon May 22 13:37:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15455 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:37:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08471; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 13:35:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08382; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:35:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.com.uy (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08369; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from netgate.com.uy (207.3.118.253 -> smtp.netgate.com.uy) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 13:35:27 -0400 Received: from uyn-1-112.netgate.com.uy (uyn-1-112.netgate.com.uy [200.40.7.112]) by netgate.com.uy (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA03313 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:35:21 -0300 Received: by uyn-1-112.netgate.com.uy with Microsoft Mail id <01BFC3FA.FC15F140@uyn-1-112.netgate.com.uy>; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:35:32 -0300 Message-ID: <01BFC3FA.FC15F140@uyn-1-112.netgate.com.uy> From: Harry Teszler To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: ERROR 188 in 770ED. HEEEELP! Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 14:26:51 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA15456 This Weekend my 770ED started showing Error 188 at booting. After showing memory size at booting it shows 188. Then 2 beeps. Later a screen (like in the Setup) comes showing error 188. I can only do OK. I press it and the screen shows error 188 showing me to check the manuals. The manual says nothing about Error 188. Checking the Internet I found it could be related to ROM. I will bring it to Service tomorrow. Does anybody have an idea of what it could be ? Thanks in adavance. From cph Mon May 22 14:36:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA15973 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:36:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12614; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 14:30:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12286; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12265; Mon, 22 May 2000 14:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 14:30:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id MAA11096; Mon, 22 May 2000 12:33:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 12:33:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Rob Bell cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: IR Palm Pilot Hotsync - T20 Win98SE In-Reply-To: <20000522171718.22563.qmail@www0r.netaddress.usa.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Checked every obvious place to no avail. I did check Device Manager. Of note, IBM had me remove the IR device from the Device Manager and reboot. The device never came back, even after multiple refreshes/reboots. The IR icon is still on the task bar, and it *is* working, though the device is not listed as present in the DM. So I can do IR transfers between laptops, still no HotSync. This problem stumped me, 3com, and IBM. If I have to work this hard to get the IR functioning, then I would never be able to trust it. I had hoped to leave the serial cable at home and just sync with IR. I did buy a light laptop, so why carry extra cables when I don't have to? On 22 May 2000, Rob Bell wrote: > Since you're running Win98, is there an 'Infrared' icon in your ThinkPad's > Control Panel that might contain the COM port settings? Or maybe check under > Device Manager? > > Rob > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. > -- Mitchell Leben Owner of scan@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for film & print scanners. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe scan' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Mon May 22 15:12:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16229 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 15:12:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15592; Mon, 22 May 2000 15:10:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 15:09:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15474; Mon, 22 May 2000 15:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15460; Mon, 22 May 2000 15:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 15:09:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA12156; Mon, 22 May 2000 13:13:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 13:13:14 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Bob Greschke cc: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: IR Palm Pilot Hotsync - T20 Win98SE In-Reply-To: <002701bfc412$f6d9fd80$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Bob, great information, thanks. I had not thought to look in the network components. The only binding I have is Fast Infrared Protocol -> IBM ThinkPad Fast Infrared Port I do not see any options to change IRQ or COM port, but under the Advanced button I have some options. Listed is 1) IR Transceiver A, and 2) IR Tranceiver B. Since the T20 has a single IR port, I assume that Tranceiver B is a non issue. For Transceiver A I have 6 options, *=current setting. HP HDSL-1100/2100 HP HSDL-2300 IBM 31T1100* Plug and Play Sharp RY5Hd01 Temic TFDS-6000 This means very little to me, all though the Plug and Play option would sure be nice! I realize the T20 is a new machine, I guess I'll sync with the serial cable for now and see if the issues are ironed out. When lots of people complain, then something will be done. On Mon, 22 May 2000, Bob Greschke wrote: > I have a 600X with Win98SE. > > If I go to the device manager and look around in the infrared device stuff I > can't see a place to change the IRQ either. But If I look at Network > Adapters and select IBM ThinkPad Fast Infrared Port (which my installation > just set up bound with TCP/IP by default) I can change the IRQ there. > > I don't know if this helps. > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mitchell Leben" > To: "Rob Bell" > Cc: "Thinkpad List" > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 09:35 > Subject: Re: IR Palm Pilot Hotsync - T20 Win98SE > > > > Unfortunately the 'Advanced' button does not exist on this machine. I can > > find no setting to specify which COM port to use. > > > > I just got off the phone with IBM. In short they claim it is a 3com > > software issue, and the Thinkpad is working fine. We reinstalled the Palm > > Desktop and Hotsync a couple of times to no avail. > > > > My contention is that the Virtual COM5 is not working properly. IBM says > > that some other device will work with COM5, just that something is wrong > > with the Palm software. I want to change it to COM4, but the tech at IBM > > could not tell me how to do so. Evidently the options in the Thinkpad > > Configuration Utility are different on the T20. > > > > So I can sync with the serial cable, still no IR. > > > > IR users beware the T20, at least for now. BTW the IR does work fine > > between laptops. > > > > On 22 May 2000, Rob Bell wrote: > > > > > On my ThinkPad Configuration screen (for NT on a 770), the IR icon is > fourth > > > down on the left side. If I click on it I get a dialog where I can > enable or > > > disable it and choose front, rear, or both. That dialog also has an > > > 'Advanced' button, which is where I can specify the COM port and the DMA > info. > > > Once you change a COM port you'll need to reboot. > > > > > -- Mitchell Leben Owner of wine@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for talk on fine wines. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe wine' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Mon May 22 15:57:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16573 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 15:57:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19342; Mon, 22 May 2000 15:56:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 15:55:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19239; Mon, 22 May 2000 15:55:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19226; Mon, 22 May 2000 15:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (204.60.6.55 -> smtp.snet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 15:55:38 -0400 Received: from snet.net (nrwc-sh10-port151.snet.net [204.60.52.151]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with ESMTP id PAA12795; Mon, 22 May 2000 15:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392990DD.99C34439@snet.net> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:56:13 -0400 From: Marc Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Canyon CC: "STeve Andre'" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Old tunes and a 760CD References: <200005201559.LAA22409@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> <4.3.1.0.20000520174242.00d61c10@pilot.msu.edu> <39275474.22C4EA20@theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I had thought that you had to run the Turntable (or a cassette deck, for that matter) through some sort of equalizing device (preamp?), then connect the preamp outputs to the sound card in order for the levels to be recordable---maybe not? From cph Mon May 22 18:20:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA17893 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:20:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28864; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 18:09:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28137; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28119; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:09:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 18:09:08 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id SAA17577; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:09:06 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id SAA26905; Mon, 22 May 2000 18:09:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000522150601.00c65980@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 15:08:43 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: T20 Port Coverings? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I can't be the only one that opened his new T20 only to find out that all the ports on the back of the machine completely unprotected with any kind of port door/cover? Did I miss something? Do I need to install it from somewhere? Did they decide that port doors were unnecessary (if so, I disagree!). My TP600 has seem neat little rubber-hinged port doors, some of which wore through and required replacing, but they serve their function. I'd hate to think IBM got lazy and failed to design such a thing onto the T20. Comments? Any other T20 owners that *have* port covers? - Randy Whittle From cph Mon May 22 19:03:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA18164 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:03:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02503; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:02:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 19:02:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02413; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02399; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:02:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 19:02:07 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA09140; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3929BC65.7874A099@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:01:57 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: T20 Port Coverings? References: <4.2.0.58.20000522150601.00c65980@pop3.iceka1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The 570 also doesn't have port covers on the back. How else do you think they made the machines so light ;-) --Lee Hetherington From cph Mon May 22 19:13:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA18222 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:13:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03308; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:11:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 19:11:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03159; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03146; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:11:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 19:11:27 -0400 Received: from dallas (ip15.bedford9.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.79.15]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA24399 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:11:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: T20 Port Coverings? Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 19:11:35 -0400 Message-ID: <000301bfc443$134cb3b0$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000522150601.00c65980@pop3.iceka1.com> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 List-Unsubscribe: 10 bucks says they just omitted them. They get broken off and lost on typical corporate computers anyways. At the place where I work, most of the winbooks are missing their port covers. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 6:09 PM > To: TP List > Subject: T20 Port Coverings? > > > > I can't be the only one that opened his new T20 only to find out that all > the ports on the back of the machine completely unprotected with any kind > of port door/cover? > > Did I miss something? Do I need to install it from somewhere? Did they > decide that port doors were unnecessary (if so, I disagree!). > > My TP600 has seem neat little rubber-hinged port doors, some of > which wore > through and required replacing, but they serve their function. > I'd hate to > think IBM got lazy and failed to design such a thing onto the T20. > > Comments? Any other T20 owners that *have* port covers? > > - Randy Whittle > > From cph Mon May 22 19:56:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA18538 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:56:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06342; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:51:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 19:50:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06236; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06222; Mon, 22 May 2000 19:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 19:50:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA18322; Mon, 22 May 2000 17:53:47 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 17:53:47 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List Subject: Re: T20 Port Coverings? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000522150601.00c65980@pop3.iceka1.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: No cover on my T20 either. I too would rather some type of cover to take the random hits away from the pins. Perhaps someone manufactures push on rubber protectors for the various connectors? I do have a metal set of port savers, but they extend ~1/2" out the back. Good for a day of constant port use, but not as a general cover. On Mon, 22 May 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > > I can't be the only one that opened his new T20 only to find out that all > the ports on the back of the machine completely unprotected with any kind > of port door/cover? > -- Mitchell Leben Owner of scan@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for film & print scanners. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe scan' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Mon May 22 20:38:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA18781 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 20:38:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08942; Mon, 22 May 2000 20:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Mon, 22 May 2000 20:36:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08842; Mon, 22 May 2000 20:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08829; Mon, 22 May 2000 20:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls06.mediaone.net (24.128.1.71 -> chmls06.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 22 May 2000 20:36:47 -0400 Received: from laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls06.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA28419 for ; Mon, 22 May 2000 20:36:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: IBM keyboards with trackpoin -- where purchaset? Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:36:44 -0400 Message-ID: <003701bfc44e$f8481530$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: There were postings not long ago regarding where one could purchase these - I think the seller was in Peabody, MA? I'd appreciate it if someone could tell me how to contact that seller. Thanks -- Jeff From cph Tue May 23 01:49:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA20465 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 01:49:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20971; Tue, 23 May 2000 01:49:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 01:48:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20817; Tue, 23 May 2000 01:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20800; Tue, 23 May 2000 01:48:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 01:48:32 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-207.gate.net [199.227.131.16]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA152188; Tue, 23 May 2000 01:48:24 -0400 Message-ID: <392A1BC0.7A3692E7@gate.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 01:48:49 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Keith @ LavaNet" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: loading win95/98 on TP 701C References: <001301bfc369$e460e140$f8e51918@hawaii.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Keith.. ubdate the bios is all.. if it keeps crashing, there is something else wrong.. HOW are you treing to do this.. i suggest that you load the cab files on the HDD and load win95 or win98 or win2000 direct from the HDD.. i have done them alla nd they ALL work.. also, you should have at least 40meg of memory.. "Keith @ LavaNet" wrote: > --Hey guys and gals, just wondering if there is a flash utility I need to > run on my 701C before I load an OS like Win 95 or 98. I've reloaded my > system three times now and it keeps crashing during the install. I've > flashed the BIOS with the latest BIOS revision of 12/95, but it still won't > go. I remember something that needed to be done or run before Win 95 or 98 > could be run but I can't find the file or TP list message that discussed it. > Any information would be much appreciated. I've run diagnostics and it > claims that the mainboard and RAM are OK. Can anyone help? Thanks one and > all. > > --Keith > > Keith Wong > Systems Support Specialist > Starr Seigle Communications > Office: (808) 524-5080 > Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com > pirate@lava.net > kwong@email.uophx.edu -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue May 23 01:51:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA20477 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 01:51:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21207; Tue, 23 May 2000 01:50:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 01:50:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21109; Tue, 23 May 2000 01:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21096; Tue, 23 May 2000 01:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 01:50:15 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-207.gate.net [199.227.131.16]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA152214; Tue, 23 May 2000 01:50:11 -0400 Message-ID: <392A1C2C.938EABCB@gate.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 01:50:36 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James H. E. Maugham" CC: Mark Bell , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Max HD size for 755cx? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi guys.. 6.4gig is the max, but i think there may be a bios overlay that will allow a larger drive on both the 701 and 755.. "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > Mark, > > Provided the BIOS has been upgraded to the latest release, it's been my > experience that the 755 series will max out at 6.4MB. I've got 6.4MB drives in 2 > 755CDs and a 755Cs. > > Sorry I can't help you with the 701, I'm still looking for my first one! > > Regards, > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Bell [mailto:bytehead@bellatlantic.net] > > Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 5:37 AM > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Max HD size for 755cx? > > > > > > I'm looking over a work order to put 6.4gig HDs in > > 5 755cx units and a few 701c's (DX/75). Before I go > > take the time to track the answer down, let me ask > > here. What is the max size HD 755cx's and 701c's > > support? Thanks! > > > > Mark -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue May 23 02:15:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA20537 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 02:15:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22205; Tue, 23 May 2000 02:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 02:14:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22119; Tue, 23 May 2000 02:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22104; Tue, 23 May 2000 02:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.37 -> hnlmail3.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 02:14:34 -0400 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.229.230]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Mon, 22 May 2000 20:14:28 -1000 Message-ID: <001101bfc47e$525e5320$e6e51918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: References: <001301bfc369$e460e140$f8e51918@hawaii.rr.com> <392A1BC0.7A3692E7@gate.net> Subject: Re: loading win95/98 on TP 701C Date: Mon, 22 May 2000 20:15:39 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: --Hey there Bill, yes I have tried copying the entire setup CD onto the new 6.4gb hard drive I have, and installing it from the HD. Both Win95/ and 98 killed themselves during installation. I get rundll erros and page fault errors both during the install and during the initial restart setup. I basically end up with a crippled Win98 or Win95. I thought it was the system RAM, so I popped out the additional 16mb Viking chip and Win95 could not install with only 8mb of RAM. I tried swapping the RAM with my trusty old IBM 8mb chip but the same install errors happened. Diagnostics claim that everything is peachy keen on both the mainboard and on the memory. I have used the Onstart Data Advisor from the IBM site, and the onboard test utilities. Both tell me my hardware is O.K. The only thing I can think is wrong is the CD ROM player that I'm using. I'm using an old black SCSI CDrom on a DOCK II. That is the only link that I can think of that could be killing me. Tonight I'm going to setup a simple Interserv network between my desktop and my new butterfly to copy the files over and if that doesn't work I may opt for a system board swap because my old 701C installed Win98 no sweat. My new one is making me sweat. Two questions though. For those of you who have the 701C with a gigabyte or more on the hard drives, does your BIOS recognize the correct size of your drive? Or does it show 44mb like mines does? I think this maybe part of the problem. Also is the latest BIOS revision 12/95? I know the files I download are listed created on 6/96, but after the flash utility my bios only came up to 12/95. Please let me know. Thanks Bill and all you other butterfly lovers. --Keith Keith Wong Chief Systems Engineer Omega Tech Consulting Office: (808) 524-5080 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morrow To: Keith @ LavaNet Cc: Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 7:48 PM Subject: Re: loading win95/98 on TP 701C > Keith.. > > ubdate the bios is all.. > if it keeps crashing, there is something else wrong.. > > HOW are you treing to do this.. > i suggest that you load the cab files on the HDD and load win95 or win98 or > win2000 direct from the HDD.. > i have done them alla nd they ALL work.. > > also, you should have at least 40meg of memory.. > > > "Keith @ LavaNet" wrote: > > > --Hey guys and gals, just wondering if there is a flash utility I need to > > run on my 701C before I load an OS like Win 95 or 98. I've reloaded my > > system three times now and it keeps crashing during the install. I've > > flashed the BIOS with the latest BIOS revision of 12/95, but it still won't > > go. I remember something that needed to be done or run before Win 95 or 98 > > could be run but I can't find the file or TP list message that discussed it. > > Any information would be much appreciated. I've run diagnostics and it > > claims that the mainboard and RAM are OK. Can anyone help? Thanks one and > > all. > > > > --Keith > > > > Keith Wong > > Systems Support Specialist > > Starr Seigle Communications > > Office: (808) 524-5080 > > Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com > > pirate@lava.net > > kwong@email.uophx.edu > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > From cph Tue May 23 02:53:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA20662 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 02:53:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23415; Tue, 23 May 2000 02:52:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 02:51:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23259; Tue, 23 May 2000 02:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23246; Tue, 23 May 2000 02:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 02:51:50 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-207.gate.net [199.227.131.16]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA57768; Tue, 23 May 2000 02:51:41 -0400 Message-ID: <392A2A95.A0DC8137@gate.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 02:52:05 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Keith @ LavaNet" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: loading win95/98 on TP 701C References: <001301bfc369$e460e140$f8e51918@hawaii.rr.com> <392A1BC0.7A3692E7@gate.net> <001101bfc47e$525e5320$e6e51918@hawaii.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Keith.. 1. the HDD size is not reported correctly because they never anticipated a gig+ HDD in the 701, so all you can see is the change over the multi-gig level.. thus a 2.1gig drive will show .1gig.. no matter though, it DOES see it and use all that is there.. 2. the bios is the latest AFAIK.. 3. what I do to copy files to the 701 HDD is pop the drive out of the 701 shell and into a 760 0r 770 HDD shell, then put it in the ultrabay of my 770Z and do a direct copy.. just the load files, not the entire CD.. in the case of w2k, i just copied the i386 directory and contents.. FWIW: i have win2000 running on a 701C.. very few minor problems.. i did it to use the machine as a printer server.. "Keith @ LavaNet" wrote: > --Hey there Bill, yes I have tried copying the entire setup CD onto the new > 6.4gb hard drive I have, and installing it from the HD. Both Win95/ and 98 > killed themselves during installation. I get rundll erros and page fault > errors both during the install and during the initial restart setup. I > basically end up with a crippled Win98 or Win95. I thought it was the > system RAM, so I popped out the additional 16mb Viking chip and Win95 could > not install with only 8mb of RAM. I tried swapping the RAM with my trusty > old IBM 8mb chip but the same install errors happened. Diagnostics claim > that everything is peachy keen on both the mainboard and on the memory. I > have used the Onstart Data Advisor from the IBM site, and the onboard test > utilities. Both tell me my hardware is O.K. The only thing I can think is > wrong is the CD ROM player that I'm using. I'm using an old black SCSI > CDrom on a DOCK II. That is the only link that I can think of that could be > killing me. Tonight I'm going to setup a simple Interserv network between > my desktop and my new butterfly to copy the files over and if that doesn't > work I may opt for a system board swap because my old 701C installed Win98 > no sweat. My new one is making me sweat. Two questions though. > > For those of you who have the 701C with a gigabyte or more on the hard > drives, does your BIOS recognize the correct size of your drive? Or does it > show 44mb like mines does? I think this maybe part of the problem. Also is > the latest BIOS revision 12/95? I know the files I download are listed > created on 6/96, but after the flash utility my bios only came up to 12/95. > Please let me know. Thanks Bill and all you other butterfly lovers. > > --Keith > > Keith Wong > Chief Systems Engineer > Omega Tech Consulting > Office: (808) 524-5080 > Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com > pirate@lava.net > kwong@email.uophx.edu > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Morrow > To: Keith @ LavaNet > Cc: > Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 7:48 PM > Subject: Re: loading win95/98 on TP 701C > > > Keith.. > > > > ubdate the bios is all.. > > if it keeps crashing, there is something else wrong.. > > > > HOW are you treing to do this.. > > i suggest that you load the cab files on the HDD and load win95 or win98 > or > > win2000 direct from the HDD.. > > i have done them alla nd they ALL work.. > > > > also, you should have at least 40meg of memory.. > > > > > > "Keith @ LavaNet" wrote: > > > > > --Hey guys and gals, just wondering if there is a flash utility I need > to > > > run on my 701C before I load an OS like Win 95 or 98. I've reloaded my > > > system three times now and it keeps crashing during the install. I've > > > flashed the BIOS with the latest BIOS revision of 12/95, but it still > won't > > > go. I remember something that needed to be done or run before Win 95 or > 98 > > > could be run but I can't find the file or TP list message that discussed > it. > > > Any information would be much appreciated. I've run diagnostics and it > > > claims that the mainboard and RAM are OK. Can anyone help? Thanks one > and > > > all. > > > > > > --Keith > > > > > > Keith Wong > > > Systems Support Specialist > > > Starr Seigle Communications > > > Office: (808) 524-5080 > > > Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com > > > pirate@lava.net > > > kwong@email.uophx.edu > > > > -- > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue May 23 03:07:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA20725 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 03:07:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24299; Tue, 23 May 2000 03:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 03:06:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24225; Tue, 23 May 2000 03:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24212; Tue, 23 May 2000 03:06:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 03:06:01 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.174.58]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Tue, 23 May 2000 03:05:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id CAA05324; Tue, 23 May 2000 02:57:37 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 02:57:37 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: "Shawn T. Rutledge" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [730T]: More fun w/ Linux In-Reply-To: <20000515164719.F594@electron.quantum.int> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 15 May 2000, Shawn T. Rutledge wrote: > Does anybody actually have Linux booting from a PCMCIA hard disk? Hee hee.. Nope. Still chewing on it. However, I think I have learned a few things. 1: (I could be wrong here, but) Don't statically link the PCMCIA-IDE driver into the kernel. I'm still new to PCMCIA on Linux but apparently Card Services is required to actually make that device show up as a /dev/hd? node - and Card Services doesn't like not being able to load the module. 2: LILO on the boot drive doesn't seem to work. I'd love to hear if anyone has LILO working to boot a 730. But it seems the Thinkpad BIOS support for PCMCIA drives just doesn't extend into the world of free software for some reason. So I'm thinking my next attempts are gonna be along these lines - super-streamlined kernel, everything in modules except for the vitals - initrd and the filesystems. initrd image will run card services (which will hopefully find the drive, install the module, and allow me to boot) - from there, a regular root volume setup. For a bootloader, one version of DOS or another calling straight into loadlin. Since on startup the kernel image and initrd image will have to be in memory at the same time keeping it all small enough for the 8MB is key. I'd love to hear if anybody has any useful input on this - and also whether BSD might be better equipped to run on this neat little machine. ---GEC Projects page: http://tetsujin.sourceforge.net/ GAIM/AOL IM: Tetsujin0 - Message anytime -- ICQ: 46909656 - I never use it From cph Tue May 23 09:15:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA22196 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:15:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18608; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 09:13:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18368; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exton3.bentley.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18353; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exton3.bentley.com (207.254.153.70 -> exton3.bentley.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 09:13:11 -0400 Received: by exton3.bentley.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:13:06 -0400 Message-ID: <93C0BE6A6D6AD211BC7400A0C9D8FE870195B4A8@exton1.bentley.com> From: Frank Conforti To: "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: [700c] Suggestions for loading newer OS on TP 700c? Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 09:12:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I have a couple of 700c thinkpads I'd like to use as home automation terminals. Currently, they have only WFW 3.11 installed on them. I would like to upgrade to a more current OS like W95/W98 or Linux. The problem is I have not found any video drivers that provide more than 16 colors for these units. If anyone's tackled this particular type of installation or know of more current drivers I would appreciate any feedback. Because I plan to use them for only terminal type of environment with, maybe, some web surfing thrown in for good measure (connected via ethernet 10bT to server services) the 128MB drive should be plenty, right? TIA Frank Conforti ( frank.conforti@bentley.com ) From cph Tue May 23 09:55:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA22421 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:55:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21192; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 09:53:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21079; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21065; Tue, 23 May 2000 09:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (204.181.58.110 -> p204.181.58.110.syspac.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 09:53:34 -0400 Received: (from jones@localhost) by box3.pyrrhusoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id GAA03761; Tue, 23 May 2000 06:33:39 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 06:33:39 -0700 Message-Id: <200005231333.GAA03761@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> From: David Jones To: pirate@lava.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: loading win95/98 on TP 701C List-Unsubscribe: Page 4 of my Butterfly configuration utility shows: BIOS Revision 12/15/95 (BUTUS30) Diagnostics Revision 11/22/95 (BFDUS1G) Hard Disk 28 MB (This one has a 3+ GB HDD. A second Butterfly shows 7 MB where the actual HDD is 1+ GB). The BIOS and Diagnostics revisions I have listed *are* the latest. David Jones From cph Tue May 23 12:35:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA23535 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:35:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02908; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 12:33:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02705; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:33:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02690; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailer2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (129.59.1.212 -> mailer2.mail.Vanderbilt.Edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 12:33:28 -0400 Received: from lruby (58echo547.singnet.com.sg [165.21.221.121]) by mailer2.mail.vanderbilt.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1/VU-3.0.2) with SMTP id LAA09947 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:33:23 -0500 (CDT) From: "Ruby Lestari" To: Subject: Floppy disk drive Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:27:51 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <003701bfc44e$f8481530$0200a8c0@laptop> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: I wonder if anybody know where to get cheap floppy disk drive for my ThinkPad 760ED...?? Mine is broken. Thank You In Dharma, Ruby Lestari Department of Mechanical Engineering School of Engineering - Vanderbilt University --------------------------------------------- This message transmitted using 100% recycled electrons. From cph Tue May 23 12:38:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA23578 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:38:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03347; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 12:38:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03255; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03237; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:38:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 12:38:19 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JPQL25HQ9S8X1W78@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 23 May 2000 11:41:29 CST Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 11:41:29 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: for ibm z50 owners To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: before 5/31 go to: http://www.brandsforless.com/Forms/bflmemorial/ shop at computers4sure store. ref http://www.computers4sure.com/Product.ASP?ProductID=66024&Affid=3441000 32 meg kingston memory for Z50: $83.99 after brandsforless rebate = $83.99 - $25.00 = $58.99 + shipping !!! :) I know all the deals that i post may not sound like a BIG DEAL to most of the working people on this list but to a struggling jobless college students such as me $10 is another pizza money :) From cph Tue May 23 12:45:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA23612 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:45:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04136; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 12:44:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04061; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04048; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:44:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot016.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.116 -> pilot016.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 12:44:39 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port22.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.23]) by pilot016.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA79884 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 12:44:35 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000523124054.00baa7a0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 12:44:29 -0400 To: "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [700c] Suggestions for loading newer OS on TP 700c? In-Reply-To: <93C0BE6A6D6AD211BC7400A0C9D8FE870195B4A8@exton1.bentley.co m> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Boy, this brings back memories--I had one of those when they first came out... Someone on the net has a page on putting Linux on a 700C and was happy with it. I'm not sure they got 256 colors, but I know IBM had an upgrade for it under Windows 3.1. It was messy, but there. Linux could do a lot of stuff in 12M. I don't think you could do too much in X without swapping, but as a terminal it should work wonderfully. --STeve Andre' At 09:12 AM 5/23/00 -0400, Frank Conforti wrote: >I have a couple of 700c thinkpads I'd like to use as home automation >terminals. Currently, they have only WFW 3.11 installed on them. I would >like to upgrade to a more current OS like W95/W98 or Linux. The problem is >I have not found any video drivers that provide more than 16 colors for >these units. If anyone's tackled this particular type of installation or >know of more current drivers I would appreciate any feedback. > >Because I plan to use them for only terminal type of environment with, >maybe, some web surfing thrown in for good measure (connected via ethernet >10bT to server services) the 128MB drive should be plenty, right? > >TIA > >Frank Conforti ( frank.conforti@bentley.com ) From cph Tue May 23 13:09:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23829 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:09:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06272; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:07:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 13:06:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06186; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06172; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 13:06:43 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-377.gate.net [199.227.173.123]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31144; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:06:37 -0400 Message-ID: <392ABAB4.CF0F3E1A@gate.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:07:01 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Conforti CC: "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: Re: [700c] Suggestions for loading newer OS on TP 700c? References: <93C0BE6A6D6AD211BC7400A0C9D8FE870195B4A8@exton1.bentley.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IMO you're pushing the hardware trying to load more than what you now have.. i do know that some have successfully loaded win95 on a 700/720 series thinkpad, but i don't have one here to experiment with, sooooo.... :-) and I have W2k running on a 701C with 40megs and the 486/75 cpu.. its slooow, but it runs quite well, considering.. and, amazingly, it loaded (though very slowly - took all night!) without complaining, at all, about the cpu speed or minimal memory space.. for what you want to do, i suggest a 755CE or CD as the minimal machine.. or a 701C 486/75.. the 700 series uses an older ESDI tyope HDD and these are tough to find now.. also, i don't believe that you can easily interface one with an IDE based computer, so as to copy load files to the HDD, and i wonder if it would be possible to do that with a 120meg drive anyway, and still have space for the OS.. what i suggest that you consider is using DOS and all the nice little apps that run under DOM.. you should be able to write some decent control apps that will talk to the parallel port, line by line, and thus actively control what it is you want to control.. as far as the internet is concerned, i wonder if it would not be easier to either use the old DOS based "browser" apps or just not use the machine for internet.. i really have not thought that aspect thorugh, so i might be off base here.. the 700 series will only take up to two 8meg memory cards, which will yeild a max or 20megs.. the 386/25 or 386/50 cpu is going to be really slow, IMO.. WFWG 3.11 sounds like the best i would hope for ob that machine.. i hope this helps.. BTW: i still have many nice Win3.1 apps here, on old floppy disc's.. :-) that 700 series thinkpad was a big advance at the time.. good luck... Frank Conforti wrote: > I have a couple of 700c thinkpads I'd like to use as home automation > terminals. Currently, they have only WFW 3.11 installed on them. I would > like to upgrade to a more current OS like W95/W98 or Linux. The problem is > I have not found any video drivers that provide more than 16 colors for > these units. If anyone's tackled this particular type of installation or > know of more current drivers I would appreciate any feedback. > > Because I plan to use them for only terminal type of environment with, > maybe, some web surfing thrown in for good measure (connected via ethernet > 10bT to server services) the 128MB drive should be plenty, right? > > TIA > > Frank Conforti ( frank.conforti@bentley.com ) -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue May 23 13:13:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23863 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:13:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06849; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 13:12:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06773; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:12:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06757; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:12:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 13:12:40 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-377.gate.net [199.227.173.123]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA69394; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:12:03 -0400 Message-ID: <392ABBFB.9F84AB30@gate.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:12:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Jones CC: pirate@lava.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: loading win95/98 on TP 701C References: <200005231333.GAA03761@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: and what it WOULD show, if there was a big enough data area to hold it all, is 3028 MB.. note: 3.1gig is not 3.1 x 1,024,000,000 but 3.1 x 1,000,000,000 (gee, i HOPE i got all the zeros and enough zeros and all the commas in the right places) David Jones wrote: > Page 4 of my Butterfly configuration utility shows: > > BIOS Revision 12/15/95 (BUTUS30) > Diagnostics Revision 11/22/95 (BFDUS1G) > > Hard Disk 28 MB > > (This one has a 3+ GB HDD. A second Butterfly shows 7 MB where the > actual HDD is 1+ GB). The BIOS and Diagnostics revisions I have > listed *are* the latest. > > David Jones -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue May 23 13:16:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23891 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:16:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07232; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 13:14:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07158; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07143; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 13:14:40 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-377.gate.net [199.227.173.123]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA19434; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:14:36 -0400 Message-ID: <392ABC94.A3CBB28D@gate.net> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:15:00 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Frank Conforti CC: "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: Re: [700c] Suggestions for loading newer OS on TP 700c? References: <93C0BE6A6D6AD211BC7400A0C9D8FE870195B4A8@exton1.bentley.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i should have added that linus (basic) should run wonderfully on a 700 series thinkpad, AND i would sure settle for 16 colors.. :-) Frank Conforti wrote: > I have a couple of 700c thinkpads I'd like to use as home automation > terminals. Currently, they have only WFW 3.11 installed on them. I would > like to upgrade to a more current OS like W95/W98 or Linux. The problem is > I have not found any video drivers that provide more than 16 colors for > these units. If anyone's tackled this particular type of installation or > know of more current drivers I would appreciate any feedback. > > Because I plan to use them for only terminal type of environment with, > maybe, some web surfing thrown in for good measure (connected via ethernet > 10bT to server services) the 128MB drive should be plenty, right? > > TIA > > Frank Conforti ( frank.conforti@bentley.com ) -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue May 23 13:31:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA24032 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:31:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08796; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 13:30:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08707; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:30:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08694; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.120 -> pilot020.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 13:30:33 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port22.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.23]) by pilot020.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA61144 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 13:30:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000523131537.00ba9e50@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 13:30:19 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [700c] Suggestions for loading newer OS on TP 700c? In-Reply-To: <392ABAB4.CF0F3E1A@gate.net> References: <93C0BE6A6D6AD211BC7400A0C9D8FE870195B4A8@exton1.bentley.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Ah.... Bill, isn't the 700C a 486 based machine? I remember it being slow, but not quite as slow as a 386... If Frank put Linux on that 700C he'd have more horsepower for what he wants to do, as opposed to giving more of it to the OS. Lunix and friends (including the *BSD variants) all use fewer resources than Windows does--makes some of the old hardware usable again! Somewhere either on the net or Computer Shopper, I recently saw a source of the ESDI drives that the 700 uses. I think they had 120, 240, and 350(?) disks. Probably a google search would find them. --STeve Andre' At 01:07 PM 5/23/00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >IMO you're pushing the hardware trying to load more than what you now have.. >i do know that some have successfully loaded win95 on a 700/720 series >thinkpad, but i don't have one here to experiment with, sooooo.... :-) >and I have W2k running on a 701C with 40megs and the 486/75 cpu.. >its slooow, but it runs quite well, considering.. and, amazingly, it loaded >(though very slowly - took all night!) without complaining, at all, about the >cpu speed or minimal memory space.. > >for what you want to do, i suggest a 755CE or CD as the minimal machine.. >or a 701C 486/75.. >the 700 series uses an older ESDI tyope HDD and these are tough to find now.. >also, i don't believe that you can easily interface one with an IDE based >computer, so as to copy load files to the HDD, and i wonder if it would be >possible to do that with a 120meg drive anyway, and still have space for the >OS.. > >what i suggest that you consider is using DOS and all the nice little apps >that >run under DOM.. >you should be able to write some decent control apps that will talk to the >parallel port, line by line, and thus actively control what it is you want to >control.. > >as far as the internet is concerned, i wonder if it would not be easier to >either use the old DOS based "browser" apps or just not use the machine for >internet.. >i really have not thought that aspect thorugh, so i might be off base here.. > >the 700 series will only take up to two 8meg memory cards, which will yeild a >max or 20megs.. >the 386/25 or 386/50 cpu is going to be really slow, IMO.. >WFWG 3.11 sounds like the best i would hope for ob that machine.. > >i hope this helps.. >BTW: i still have many nice Win3.1 apps here, on old floppy disc's.. :-) >that 700 series thinkpad was a big advance at the time.. > >good luck... > >Frank Conforti wrote: > > > I have a couple of 700c thinkpads I'd like to use as home automation > > terminals. Currently, they have only WFW 3.11 installed on them. I would > > like to upgrade to a more current OS like W95/W98 or Linux. The problem is > > I have not found any video drivers that provide more than 16 colors for > > these units. If anyone's tackled this particular type of installation or > > know of more current drivers I would appreciate any feedback. > > > > Because I plan to use them for only terminal type of environment with, > > maybe, some web surfing thrown in for good measure (connected via ethernet > > 10bT to server services) the 128MB drive should be plenty, right? > > > > TIA > > > > Frank Conforti ( frank.conforti@bentley.com ) > >-- >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue May 23 15:52:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA25302 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:52:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25435; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 15:49:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25283; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25269; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 15:49:48 -0400 Received: from 216-164-134-65.s319.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.134.65]) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12uKgU-0002ws-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 23 May 2000 15:49:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 15:49:42 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.41) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1659.000523@erols.com> To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Need info on TravelStart drives In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anybody know how to find out what TPs this drive will fit? 21L9590 10.0GB EIDE ATA-4 2.5LP Travelstar 4200 RPM 12.5mm Thanks. -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Tue May 23 18:54:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA26841 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 18:54:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10724; Tue, 23 May 2000 18:53:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 18:52:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10545; Tue, 23 May 2000 18:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10531; Tue, 23 May 2000 18:52:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 18:52:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA10978 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 16:55:33 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:55:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: T20 Owners, common problems? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: The T20 is my first Thinkpad. Perhaps I thought too much of the brand, but I am having problems with this machine that I would not expect at this price point. I just opened the lid and logged on, and was shocked that the space bar would not press in at all. No mechanical action, no insertion of a space character. Looking more closely I realize the space key is somehow stuck in the depressed position?! I had to pry it up, now working fine. I banged away on my Winbook for many moons and never had a stuck key. Hmmm. I am also troubleshooting issues with the IR port and waking from suspend. In addition, last time I tried my external keyboard it would not work at all. The cursor jumped all over the screen, but no text input. I tried a second keyboard (yes, switched during power off) with the same result. So, I wonder what is next. I was hoping that if I bought the best (that was my consumer opinion) I would save time and money down the road. Other T20 owners care to toss in their experiences so far? Did I get a lemon? Am I a paying beta tester? Are my expectations too high? Also, if anyone knows of a more appropriate mailing list for T20 issues please let me know. Thanks. -Mitch --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue May 23 19:25:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA27008 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:25:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12037; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 19:24:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11964; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11950; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 19:24:16 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06825; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <392B1317.9E9D93AA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:24:08 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mitchell Leben CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Did you use the Y adaptor (splitter) to connect your keyboard to the T20? I believe the port on the back is for a mouse, but if you want to connect an external keyboard you need the adaptor. That would explain why your cursor was going crazy; it was interpreting the keyboard as a mouse. This adaptor is about $25-$30 for the IBM part, but there are likely generic parts that are a lot less. --Lee Hetherington From cph Tue May 23 19:33:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA27064 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:33:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12834; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 19:32:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12752; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12739; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.111 -> pilot011.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 19:32:34 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (symposium.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.43]) by pilot011.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA98218 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:32:31 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000523192342.00d6db00@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:32:33 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: This is a fine place to talk of T20's Mitchell. I've ordered an A20p for someone and am awaiting it, and expect I'll be getting more in time. Certainly all things computerish have problems from time to time. That your space key was weird doesn't surprise me much: they are fragile, and have an incredible about of mechanical complexity in them. You say it worked once you pried it up, so I'd say thats an OK thing. The IR port is more troublesome. I will hope that all your problems ultimately stem from software, such that you'll be able to download some stuff to fix it. For me, your comments are just another data point for my theory that ALL computers are being less well built these days, and that cut-throat competition for market share has done this. No company is immune to this it seems. I still think that IBM and Dell do a better job overall than most though. Please keep us informed on what happens. I'll let people know about the A20 that should be entering my life in the next month or so... --STeve Andre' At 04:55 PM 5/23/00 -0500, Mitchell Leben wrote: >The T20 is my first Thinkpad. Perhaps I thought too much of the brand, but >I am having problems with this machine that I would not expect at this >price point. > >I just opened the lid and logged on, and was shocked that the space bar >would not press in at all. No mechanical action, no insertion of a space >character. Looking more closely I realize the space key is somehow stuck >in the depressed position?! I had to pry it up, now working fine. I banged >away on my Winbook for many moons and never had a stuck key. Hmmm. > >I am also troubleshooting issues with the IR port and waking from suspend. >In addition, last time I tried my external keyboard it would not work at >all. The cursor jumped all over the screen, but no text input. I tried a >second keyboard (yes, switched during power off) with the same result. > >So, I wonder what is next. I was hoping that if I bought the best (that >was my consumer opinion) I would save time and money down the road. > >Other T20 owners care to toss in their experiences so far? Did I get a >lemon? Am I a paying beta tester? Are my expectations too high? > >Also, if anyone knows of a more appropriate mailing list for T20 issues >please let me know. > >Thanks. > >-Mitch >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing >mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send >http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue May 23 19:35:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA27099 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:35:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13337; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 19:34:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13242; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13223; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 19:34:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA11870; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:37:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:37:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: I Lee Hetherington cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? In-Reply-To: <392B1317.9E9D93AA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Lee. Yes I was plugged directly into the port. I raised my eyebrow a bit at the mouse icon on the port, but assumed it was just a PS/2 port for either device. I'll contact IBM for the correct part. BTW I am working off battery tonight. I choose very aggressive battery friendly settings, which the Battery Information tool predicts will give me ~4:20. CPU is on slowest setting, PCMCIA cards out, screen on next to dimmest setting, etc. To me four hours is fantastic in a package this light. Thanks again for the tip. On Tue, 23 May 2000, I Lee Hetherington wrote: > Did you use the Y adaptor (splitter) to connect your keyboard to the > T20? I believe the port on the back is for a mouse, but if you want to -Mitch --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue May 23 19:38:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA27127 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:38:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13733; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 19:38:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13660; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13647; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 19:38:13 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id TAA24978; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:38:11 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id TAA07567; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000523163042.00c5bbf0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 16:37:45 -0700 To: Mitchell Leben , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 04:55 PM 05/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Other T20 owners care to toss in their experiences so far? Did I get a >lemon? Am I a paying beta tester? Are my expectations too high? I've only had one for about 24 hours, and am still configuring things to my liking (and installing software, etc.), but thus far I think its a great machine. Speaking as a ThinkPad owner on his 5th one now...as a matter of fact, looking at the glowing review you gave and then noting that your previous experience was with a Winbook with no ThinkPad experience, I had thought you were overly impressed--that is, compared to a Winbook, even a TP i-Series would look incredible. At any rate, based on what you described, I'm inclinded to think that perhaps you got a lemon. Or even one that was somehow damaged in shipping or somesuch. Sticking keys aren't the kind of thing the TP's are known for. Regarding your IR difficulties...as I recall, those were specific to the PalmPilot stuff. I wouldn't blame the ThinkPad for that one...I'd go as far as to blame Microsoft, since I've had the same problems when I upgraded to Win98. 95's IR worked great with my Palm, but when I moved to 98, I never could get it to work right. I haven't put in the effort to see if I could get it to work any better with the T20 (and Win98). From cph Tue May 23 20:11:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA27350 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:11:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15543; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 20:10:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15463; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15449; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (24.1.227.2 -> cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 20:10:32 -0400 Received: (from rutledge@localhost) by cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id RAA09439; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:10:29 -0700 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:10:29 -0700 From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net Cc: "Shawn T. Rutledge" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [730T]: More fun w/ Linux Message-ID: <20000523171029.D8235@electron.quantum.int> References: <20000515164719.F594@electron.quantum.int> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from George Caswell on Tue, May 23, 2000 at 02:57:37AM -0400 List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 02:57:37AM -0400, George Caswell wrote: > 1: (I could be wrong here, but) Don't statically link the PCMCIA-IDE driver > into the kernel. I'm still new to PCMCIA on Linux but apparently Card > Services is required to actually make that device show up as a /dev/hd? node - > and Card Services doesn't like not being able to load the module. Makes sense I guess. > 2: LILO on the boot drive doesn't seem to work. I'd love to hear if anyone > has LILO working to boot a 730. But it seems the Thinkpad BIOS support for > PCMCIA drives just doesn't extend into the world of free software for some > reason. Well I don't have any problem with a DOS based loader... it might even be a good idea on that kind of machine so I can run a few (gasp) DOS programs too. And I've heard that those disks aren't straightforward to get a FAT filesystem installed from scratch either. It might be better to use fips to shrink the existing partition to make room for an EXT2 partition. But that's a hunch at this point. My attempts to date have been with the kind of Linux distro that just runs off a FAT partition, not because that's particularly good but because I didn't want to push my luck just yet. > > So I'm thinking my next attempts are gonna be along these lines - > super-streamlined kernel, everything in modules except for the vitals - initrd > and the filesystems. initrd image will run card services (which will > hopefully find the drive, install the module, and allow me to boot) - from > there, a regular root volume setup. Yikes how do you even switch the root filesystem from the RAM disk to the hard disk? Can that be done? If you keep the RAM disk and try to mount the hard disk on top of it, you'd have a whole bunch of mount points for the directories under root, right? Unless you can find the kind of filesystem that allows you to transparently overlay one filesystem on top of another. I think that has been done; saw an old 1.2 (?) kernel patch for that. It was intended for cases when most of the filesystem is on read-only media, but you still want to allow changes; the diffs could be written to a writeable medium. > For a bootloader, one version of DOS or another calling straight into > loadlin. Since on startup the kernel image and initrd image will have to be > in memory at the same time keeping it all small enough for the 8MB is key. Well you can upgrade the memory. 8 meg and larger 5V DRAM cards show up on ebay now and then. I got a couple of them. > > I'd love to hear if anybody has any useful input on this - and also whether > BSD might be better equipped to run on this neat little machine. That's a very good point; maybe its IDE driver is more universal. BTW I would be most grateful if you help flesh out the Wiki at http://cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com:9673/zwiki/SlateComputers/ThinkPad%20730T (which is reachable by clicking the link at http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud/730T/ ) -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 From cph Tue May 23 20:42:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA27540 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:42:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16946; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 20:41:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16856; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:41:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16841; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:41:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 20:41:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA13482; Tue, 23 May 2000 18:44:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:44:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000523163042.00c5bbf0@pop3.iceka1.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 23 May 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > I've only had one for about 24 hours, and am still configuring > things to my liking (and installing software, etc.), but thus far I think > its a great machine. Speaking as a ThinkPad owner on his 5th one now...as > a matter of fact, looking at the glowing review you gave and then noting > that your previous experience was with a Winbook with no ThinkPad > experience, I had thought you were overly impressed--that is, compared to a > Winbook, even a TP i-Series would look incredible. Grrr. Office 2K dumped while I was replying to your letter (trying to sell my fish tank), had to reboot. That is what makes it so hard to evaluate the machine, hardware or software issues? The Winbook XL2 is not the best built machine, but I had very little trouble with it during very heavy use. I plugged everything under the sun into it, and it kept on going. I can tell that mechanically the T20 is superior, and I really was very excited right out of the box. The problems came when I loaded everything on. For example yesterday I installed an Epson 1270 inkjet printer, using the parallel interface (it supports USB as well). Load the driver, reboot, and nothing. POST, a few clicks of the drive, then back to POST, etc. So off I go into Safe Mode to uninstall the driver. Back in Windows I confirm I have the latest driver and search for known issues. Currently I have the printer installed, but the T20 will not boot if it is attached. I can hook it up after boot and print jut fine. Epson has not heard of this problem. Hmm. Then I tried to read the Sandisk Compact Flash cards that I have moved many gigabytes through in the past. Push in the PCMCIA adapter and it is recognized, but no drive mapping. Reboot, still no drive letter. After a few minutes I moved on and used a USB card reader, which was able to read the CF card perfectly. Could it be that Win98SE is causing these problems? Previously I ran plane Jane Win98. Not to be all gloom: The Adaptec 1480 SCSI card works great with a Yamaha 4260 CDRW. Built in Ethernet is a thing of beauty. LCD very easy on the eyes, no bad pixels. Built in speakers are great (XL2's were terrible), overall build quality is quite high, very solid. Thinklight very practical. Video performance with external 21" Sony is wonderful. I can even watch DVD on one screen and type in the other. OK, would you mind testing this one for me? Run on battery, and select the 'Super Power Saver' option from the Battery Information tool on the task bar. This power scheme has the LCD Brightness set to Level 0 (low). When I select it, however, the screen jumps to life at the *brightest* setting. I have to manually reduce the screen brightness if I want to save the battery. If I cannot trust it to reduce the screen brightness, how do I know it is slowing down the CPU? > > At any rate, based on what you described, I'm inclinded to think > that perhaps you got a lemon. Or even one that was somehow damaged in > shipping or somesuch. Sticking keys aren't the kind of thing the TP's are > known for. Regarding your IR difficulties...as I recall, those were > specific to the PalmPilot stuff. I wouldn't blame the ThinkPad for that > one...I'd go as far as to blame Microsoft, since I've had the same problems > when I upgraded to Win98. 95's IR worked great with my Palm, but when I > moved to 98, I never could get it to work right. I haven't put in the > effort to see if I could get it to work any better with the T20 (and Win98). I hope it is a lemon. I really want to love this computer, but it keeps jabbing me in the side. The size and weight are great, and with the docking station I intend to discard with a desktop machine completely. BTW any sage advice on dealing with IBM on these matters? How many calls until someone says oops, you have a dud there? I don't want to whine, all I want to do is buy their great stuff and put it to work. BTW now running on battery for 2:15 reading 1:43 left. 4 hours is right on target. -- Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue May 23 20:52:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA27595 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:52:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17628; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 20:51:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17555; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17533; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 20:51:42 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a0.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.208]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E628125E06; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:51:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <392B2441.13BF6318@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:37:21 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: I Lee Hetherington Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? References: <392B1317.9E9D93AA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The adapter is $39.95 and with shipping and taxes, $51.00, and I haven't found a reliable alternate supply... except Insight whose total is $53.95 From cph Tue May 23 20:53:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA27605 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:53:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17893; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:52:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 20:52:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17819; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17806; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 20:52:44 -0400 Received: from uniblab (uniblab [146.88.9.146]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA06646 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 18:52:42 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <013701bfc51a$51227ee0$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: References: Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:52:19 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: > Then I tried to read the Sandisk Compact Flash cards that I have moved > many gigabytes through in the past. Push in the PCMCIA adapter and it is > recognized, but no drive mapping. Reboot, still no drive letter. After a > few minutes I moved on and used a USB card reader, which was able to read > the CF card perfectly. On my 600X I have to turn off/disable the "warm swap devices" in the device bay section of the configuration utility to get CF cards to work correctly. They do the same thing as you describe if I don't. Bob From cph Tue May 23 20:56:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA27621 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:56:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18425; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 20:55:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18337; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18324; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:55:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 20:55:47 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id UAA16000; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:55:46 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id UAA03061; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000523163752.00c57e20@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:55:20 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: T20 Impressions from a ThinkPad Old Timer Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I've only had the machine for 24 hours, so this should at best be considered preliminary... As I mentioned, this is my 5th Thinkpad in...oh, I guess its been at least 6, perhaps as many as 7 years since I got my first (a ThinkPad 750c--I was one of the very first participants in this list). I owned a Sharp notebook before that ThinkPad, and briefly owned an NEC notebook in between my TP560 and the TP600 (which I'm writing this on as I get the T20 configured). I am perhaps the biggest fan of ThinkPads, and yet IBM's largest critic when when they blow it (whether in support, hardware, or marketing). So a few observations: (1) Case does seem more rigid than my TP600, and certainly much more than my (much thinner) TP560 was. But it doesn't seem to be incredibly hardened. The reports of Titanium and whatnot seem to me to be a bit overblown. Maybe there's Titanium tin foil in there or something... (2) Dimensions: I've generally loved my TP600 for the 2 years I've had it. This is slightly bigger in both directions (by 1/4 to 1/2"), but slightly thinner (by 0.1") and lighter (about 0.1 lb). It pretty much seems to be the same as my TP600, except when you lay one on top of the other (or next to it) to compare directly, then the T20 definitely seems larger. (3) Screen: 14.1" vs. the TP600's 13.3", while both are XGA. The screen definitely seems brighter (are they just putting brighter tubes in these things?). The screen does seem larger...and that's nice...but given the choice between the larger vs. a smaller machine, assuming the screen is the limiting factor, I'd take the smaller (and probably even lighter) machine that might have been possible with the T20 if it had a 13.3" screen. Its just not a big deal to make a bigger screen unless there is correspondingly higher resolution to go with it. And yet, I'm not convinced that 1280x1024 is a good fit in a 14.1" screen space (too high, in too small a space). But for that tiny little VGA screen, in some ways I still miss the 701C Butterfly I once had. (4) Fit & finish appears to be quite up there with IBM ThinkPad standards. The T20 is actually nicer in this department than the 600 is. The LED indicators are much nicer--rather than a symbol next to an LED Bulb, the symbol is *on* the LED bulb. Its much cleaner and more attractive in that sense. Also, I must have been confused--I thought I read in an IBM press release that they were making these with one-thumb lid opening (a single hook). Maybe that was just the A series, because the T20 has two release hooks, located on the front (the 600's were on the side, near the front). (5) Speed: Honestly, I couldn't tell you, as I haven't tested it much. I think its reasonable to expect that a P-III at 700 MHz is going to be pretty good. :-) That's actually the reason I bought it--I use my notebook PC as a presentation tool and I show video clips on it. My TP600's P-II 233 tended to really have some difficulty getting through larger-resolution (i.e., MPEG-2) video clips, and that was a little embarrassing in front of an audience. (6) Misc Tools & Utilities. This is one of the most unique parts of buying a ThinkPad vs. the other brands available (and when you buy a non-TP, you *really* notice it). I have a love-hate relationship with the battery utility though. I liked the shortcut-key access to the old "Fuel" software on earlier ThinkPads (and the 701 had it built into the BIOS!). But I also like the new method on the T20, which is a little software utility (with much more customization available, integrating in with the Intel SpeedStep features) that integrates itself into the Windows toolbar. So no FN-F2 is necessary to pop up the Fuel software, but you can see it right there easily available in the Win toolbar. But that also takes up valuable toolbar space. I guess I still like it. (7) Speakers: The TP600's speakers were right on the wrist rest, whereas the T20's are on the angled front of the case. They seem to sound a bit better (the 600's are really "tinny"), but I don't buy PC's just for the speakers anyway. (8) Ports & Stuff: I *really* like the built-in Ethernet (and modem), and it works great. Would you believe that tiny little RJ45 port *also* has LED indicators for link & usage (on either side of the tab/clip for the connector)? You don't even see them there until you plug in and use it. A *very* nice, thoughtful little thing, that early on (before I saw them) I thought was an unfortunate missing item--but its there! The S-Video is a great thing too--too bad they don't have it so it can be used for Video *IN* (for video capture) too. I still wish someone would wake up and offer (at least as an option), built-in SCSI too. Is Apple the only company that does this? But its nice to know I really don't even have to use, or remember to carry with me, my (power-drawing) PC cards (except perhaps for the SCSI) any more. There have been a few times I wished I had my Ethernet card with me--now I won't have to worry about it, since its built right in. (9) Missing Pieces: Here's where IBM *really* dropped the ball, compared to my experience with them in the past: (a) included a floppy drive, but no external floppy connector. I guess you can buy (i.e., its *not* included) a cable that hooks to the parallel port and enables the floppy drive to be used externally, but they did *not* include it. CHINTZY! The 600 came with an external connection method for the floppy, enabling you to use it while you had the CD inserted into the drive bay simultaneously--no extra purchase necessary. (b) What if you want to travel as light as possible? You pull the CD (and/or floppy) drive out of the Ultrabay and you go "empty" to minimize your weight. What? You mean you want to plug the hole? With the 600, that's no problem--you just plug in the plastic "spacer" that it came with and your machine is still nice & light. The T20 does *not* come with such a thing--a simple piece of plastic! Again....CHINTZY not to include such an inexpensive item! A big SCREW-UP by IBM. It would also be nice if a small carrying case were included to carry the drive not being used in the machine (either CD or floppy), but neither the TP600 or the T20 came with such a thing. (10) Accessory Availability: Nonexistent. I suppose this is due to IBM's planning--that is, they wanted to make sure they directed resources toward putting the actual *notebooks* into the market channels, which meant things like extra batteries, Ultrabay HD adapters, & etc. unavailable. I just wish I didn't have to wait until late June (or July) to get a 2nd battery & etc. But c'est la vie. ;-) Overall, while its a neato machine--with little extras like a special port (for video camera) on top of the lid and a little light to shine onto the keyboard (now *that* is cool, and I guarantee there are instances when I could have used that in the past!), its really an awful lot like the TP600 I already own--except with a faster CPU. For the most part, if you liked the TP600, you'll probably like the T20--its very close to the same thing. Since I *really* have enjoyed my TP600, it works for me. ;-) I wouldn't have even upgraded to a new machine (the 600 works just fine), except for the need for the faster CPU (well...my wife was also pestering me for a notebook PC, so now she'll have one). --- Randal Whittle rwhittle@iceka1.com 818-552-2065 Iceka Consulting -- Marketspace Strategy Consultants New Economy - New Rules - New Strategies From cph Tue May 23 21:03:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA27662 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:03:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21159; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 21:03:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20422; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20244; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:03:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 21:03:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA13792; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:06:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:06:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: "STeve Andre'" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000523192342.00d6db00@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Steve. I am quite new to this list and was starting to feel like I barged in on a community. Comp.sys.laptops is not my cup of tea, and this list came highly recommended. While speaking of the list, I tried the FAQ links in the welcome letter and they are both down. Is there much of a FAQ for this list. I also tried the archive links and came up with zero. I'll mix my comments with your's below... On Tue, 23 May 2000, STeve Andre' wrote: > This is a fine place to talk of T20's Mitchell. I've ordered an A20p for > someone > and am awaiting it, and expect I'll be getting more in time. Ah, the A20p is where my Thinkpad journey began. I really wanted the 1400x1050 display, and simply am not a fan of Dell laptops. The delays for the A20p kept getting longer, and the appeal of a lighter laptop gave me the bug. I figured a docking station and nice monitor would take care of the resolution requirements (I work in Photoshop quite a bit), so I decided on the T20. Please share your opinions of the A20p when you have some time on it. > Certainly all things computerish have problems from time to time. That your > space key was weird doesn't surprise me much: they are fragile, and have an > incredible about of mechanical complexity in them. You say it worked once > you pried it up, so I'd say thats an OK thing. Sure, could happen to anything. But, already it happened again tonight :( It seems to dip beneath the XCVBNM keys and stay there. > The IR port is more troublesome. I will hope that all your problems > ultimately stem from software, such that you'll be able to download > some stuff to fix it. You are probably right, just a Windows SNAFU. I'd be in heaven to just install Linux and be done with it. Only problem is my clients insist on running Microsoft products... The IR does work between laptops, so I know the hardware is good. > For me, your comments are just another data point for my theory that > ALL computers are being less well built these days, and that > cut-throat competition for market share has done this. No company is > immune to this it seems. I still think that IBM and Dell do a better > job overall than most though. You are quite correct. Today I opened up a recent Compaq desktop model to temporarily copy files from a slave hard drive. To save a few pennies Compaq does not offer a second connector on its ribbon cables. So instead of just adding on the second drive I am off in search of a 2 connector cable. Oh, and how about the clone case I opened today that had no screws, just a plastic clip that cracked when I pulled up on it? > Please keep us informed on what happens. I'll let people know about the A20 > that should be entering my life in the next month or so... Deal. Perhpas if the T20 poops out I'll go for the A20p and a 240? Nah, I just want the T20 to work out, it is quite a nice package. -Mitch --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitchell Leben Owner of scan@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for film & print scanners. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe scan' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue May 23 21:39:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA27855 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:39:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22973; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:38:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 21:38:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22851; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22837; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 21:38:10 -0400 Received: from davidreid (tnt10-216-180-65-64.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.64]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with SMTP id e4O1c1G22635; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:38:01 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00d601bfc520$b03434e0$4041b4d8@davidreid> From: "David Reid" To: "Ray Bay" , "I Lee Hetherington" Cc: "ThinkPad-L" References: <392B1317.9E9D93AA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> <392B2441.13BF6318@theriver.com> Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:37:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I think this thread is regarding the "Y" mouse/keyboard adapter? If not, my apologies. If so, you can find them on eBay from time to time. I just got one for 12.00. Original IBM cable, new in the box and tucked inside the bubble bag. Some guy had a small (5 item) lot of them to sell. pcConnection also had a Y adapter. Seems like it was in the $20.s range. Good luck. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Bay" To: "I Lee Hetherington" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 7:37 PM Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? > The adapter is $39.95 and with shipping and taxes, $51.00, and I > haven't found a reliable alternate supply... except Insight whose > total is $53.95 > From cph Tue May 23 21:43:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA27882 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:43:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23315; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:42:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 21:41:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23231; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23218; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 21:41:44 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id VAA26489; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:41:43 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptop1 (w066.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.66]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id VAA17923; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:41:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000523175906.00c5ad90@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:41:13 -0700 To: Mitchell Leben , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000523163042.00c5bbf0@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 06:44 PM 05/23/2000 -0500, you wrote: > > a matter of fact, looking at the glowing review you gave and then noting > > that your previous experience was with a Winbook with no ThinkPad > > experience, I had thought you were overly impressed--that is, compared > to a > > Winbook, even a TP i-Series would look incredible. >my fish tank), had to reboot. That is what makes it so hard to evaluate >the machine, hardware or software issues? > >I can tell that mechanically the T20 is superior, and I really was very >excited right out of the box. The problems came when I loaded everything >on. Stop and look at what you read...it should tell you something! Let me put it this way: I have System Commander installed on my Desktop PC (its a utility that allows you to boot multiple different operating systems). Do I use it to boot a variety of OS's? Nope (though I did recently put Linux on it). I use it to boot up multiple different Win 98 installations. I have 3 of them--one is for "General Usage", one is for "Video Editing", and the other I call "Win Clean". Why do I do this? Simple--the desktop PC gets used by everyone, not the least of which is my 5-year old son, with all his stupid little games. Those damn things have installation routines that wreak *havoc* with the system in general. Is it the hardware? Not at all. Its Windows--and all the little chunks and pieces and drivers and .DLL's and....you get the idea. By having a *clean* version of Windows to boot into, with only the necessary stuff I need (MS Office, internet access, and a limited array of other tools), then I know that even when some kid's game royally screws up the general purpose install of Win98, I can still boot to a "clean" one and get work done (and worry about fixing his "general" Windows later). I don't know what you're doing--what you're installing on your T20--but it sounds like you're creating a bit of a mess, and where all those software doo-dads do things, they do awful things to the performance and stability of your machine. >For example yesterday I installed an Epson 1270 inkjet printer, using >the parallel interface (it supports USB as well). Load the driver, reboot, >and nothing. POST, a few clicks of the drive, then back to POST, etc. So >off I go into Safe Mode to uninstall the driver. Back in Windows I confirm >I have the latest driver and search for known issues. Currently I have the >printer installed, but the T20 will not boot if it is attached. I can hook >it up after boot and print jut fine. Epson has not heard of this problem. >Hmm. Its possible there's something it doesn't like about the T20, but there's no question in my mind that Epson's driver is doing something they didn't expect. >Then I tried to read the Sandisk Compact Flash cards that I have moved >many gigabytes through in the past. Push in the PCMCIA adapter and it is >recognized, but no drive mapping. Reboot, still no drive letter. After a >few minutes I moved on and used a USB card reader, which was able to read >the CF card perfectly. > >Could it be that Win98SE is causing these problems? Previously I ran plane >Jane Win98. SE is a known problem. For all the fixes it introduced, it also introduced new bugs. MS doesn't want to talk about it, but if you read the stuff that's out there, you'll find a lot of bad reports. Many people will avoid SE altogether and they try to get an older "original" Win98 to install. >Not to be all gloom: The Adaptec 1480 SCSI card works great with a Yamaha >4260 CDRW. Built in Ethernet is a thing of beauty. LCD very easy on the >eyes, no bad pixels. Built in speakers are great (XL2's were terrible), >overall build quality is quite high, very solid. Thinklight very >practical. Video performance with external 21" Sony is wonderful. I can >even watch DVD on one screen and type in the other. I concur. I like the Savage (ATI?) video in here. Finally it seems like we have more "standardized" video chipsets in these notebook PC's, instead of weird little proprietary things. That means (I hope) better drivers & support. >OK, would you mind testing this one for me? Run on battery, and select the >'Super Power Saver' option from the Battery Information tool on the task >bar. This power scheme has the LCD Brightness set to Level 0 (low). When I >select it, however, the screen jumps to life at the *brightest* setting. >I have to manually reduce the screen brightness if I want to save the >battery. If I cannot trust it to reduce the screen brightness, how do >I know it is slowing down the CPU? I'm sure there's something we're missing here...I just tried it and have the same result. For what its worth, when I created a *new* power scheme--virtually identical to the "Super Power Saver" scheme (but named something else), it *did* set the screen brightness appropriately. So it does work...but why the pre-set doesn't work properly, I do not know. >BTW any sage advice on dealing with IBM on these matters? How many calls >until someone says oops, you have a dud there? I don't want to whine, all >I want to do is buy their great stuff and put it to work. Just keep good notes of names, times, specific stuff discussed...etc. And be persistent. But thus far, I don't quite think you have a real reason to call. The spacebar sounds like it was a little thing that was easily fixed, and the IR doesn't to me sound like a hardware issue at all. Your other issues...likely software again. >BTW now running on battery for 2:15 reading 1:43 left. 4 hours is right on >target. I'd like to see if it actually makes it to 4. :-) - Randy From cph Tue May 23 21:46:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA27915 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:46:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23772; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 21:45:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23685; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23672; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 21:45:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA15116; Tue, 23 May 2000 19:49:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:49:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Randal Whittle cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Impressions from a ThinkPad Old Timer In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000523163752.00c57e20@pop3.iceka1.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Randal, nice to hear the opinion of my elders ;) Your write up helps to place the T20 in the TP lineup. BTW this is only my second laptop, so I am quite a newbie. On Tue, 23 May 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > hardened. The reports of Titanium and whatnot seem to me to be a bit > overblown. Maybe there's Titanium tin foil in there or something... You made me laugh with that one! I was expecting something special too, but figured I misread and it was only for the A machines. > (5) Speed: Honestly, I couldn't tell you, as I haven't tested > it much. I think its reasonable to expect that a P-III at 700 MHz is > going to be pretty good. :-) That's actually the reason I bought > it--I use my notebook PC as a presentation tool and I show video clips > on it. My TP600's P-II 233 tended to really have some difficulty > getting through larger-resolution (i.e., MPEG-2) video clips, and that > was a little embarrassing in front of an audience. I have not performed any benchmarks, but did notice a surprising impact on my work. I regularly open jpg files across a 100BaseT network, and always figured that the time required to open them was due to disk/network. The first time I opened one on the T20 is snapped up much quicker! It was the PII300 causing the bottleneck after all. Nice. Photoshop also feels quicker, but the real proof will be when I add more RAM (128 currently). > > battery utility though. I liked the shortcut-key access to the old "Fuel" > software on earlier ThinkPads (and the 701 had it built into the > BIOS!). But I also like the new method on the T20, which is a little > software utility (with much more customization available, integrating in > with the Intel SpeedStep features) that integrates itself into the Windows > toolbar. So no FN-F2 is necessary to pop up the Fuel software, but you can > see it right there easily available in the Win toolbar. But that also > takes up valuable toolbar space. I guess I still like it. I'll add that when opened, the Battery Information tool is HUGE. There is no reason why so many pixels are requred to show this data, especially for something that would be handy to keep open in a corner to keep an eye on. I find it useful to watch the real time display of the Current/Voltage/Wattage so I can learn the impact of my activities. Also as far as I can tell, there is no option for a compacted display. For now I'll just push it off screen and show the parts I want. > (at least as an option), built-in SCSI too. Is Apple the only company that > does this? But its nice to know I really don't even have to use, or I think that the G3 Powerbooks have dropped SCSI for Firewire. No more serial or SCSI in the Mac world, all USB and Firewire now. Speaking of USB, two ports on board the T20 would not be too much to ask for, would it? > (9) Missing Pieces: Here's where IBM *really* dropped the ball, compared > to my experience with them in the past: (a) included a floppy drive, but > no external floppy connector. I guess you can buy (i.e., its *not* Ah see, I didn't know what I was missing! Somewhere I saw such a cable listed for sale. > you go "empty" to minimize your weight. What? You mean you want to plug > the hole? With the 600, that's no problem--you just plug in the plastic > "spacer" that it came with and your machine is still nice & light. The T20 > does *not* come with such a thing--a simple piece of > plastic! Again....CHINTZY not to include such an inexpensive item! A big Yep, agreed. Maybe I can put a sandwich in there or something. It would also be a neat place to store a few CDs, but with nothing to play them on... > SCREW-UP by IBM. It would also be nice if a small carrying case were > included to carry the drive not being used in the machine (either CD or > floppy), but neither the TP600 or the T20 came with such a thing. Zip lock to the rescue. Now, where is my lunch???? Battery update ------------------- Run time: 3:16 Time left: 0:41 % left: 17% -Mitch From cph Tue May 23 21:47:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA27921 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:47:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24085; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 21:47:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23991; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23978; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 21:46:59 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA23408 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 18:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <392B3437.90B5224C@stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 18:45:27 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Y cable for mouse/keyboard References: <392B1317.9E9D93AA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> <392B2441.13BF6318@theriver.com> <00d601bfc520$b03434e0$4041b4d8@davidreid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Methinks this needs to go into an FAQ of some sort, along with the simultaneous IR/serial question. Generic Y cables often work - I got mine at Fry's for the grand price of $6.95. Unless you need to have IBM stamped on everything you use, I say buy the cheapest one you find. If it doesn't work, return it! :-) Benjamin -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a 68k Mac or PC without installing IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Tue May 23 22:00:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA27980 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 22:00:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24811; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 21:58:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24700; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:58:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24687; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 21:58:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA15417; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:02:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:02:10 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: David Reid cc: Ray Bay , I Lee Hetherington , ThinkPad-L Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? In-Reply-To: <00d601bfc520$b03434e0$4041b4d8@davidreid> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I have never seen one of these before. Is this a molded adapter or a cable? I found one listed at buy.com: http://www.us.buy.com/comp/product.asp?sku=10030427 1FT IBM THINKPAD LAPTOP Y PS2 DIN6M/2-DIN6F SPLITTER KEYB/MOUSE Belkin, $18. Another is also listed, $45 http://www.us.buy.com/comp/product.asp?sku=10087073 A third, $12 http://www.us.buy.com/comp/product.asp?sku=10248766 Help, newbie needs help. On Tue, 23 May 2000, David Reid wrote: > I think this thread is regarding the "Y" mouse/keyboard adapter? If > not, my apologies. > > If so, you can find them on eBay from time to time. I just got one > for 12.00. Original IBM cable, new in the box and tucked inside the > bubble bag. Some guy had a small (5 item) lot of them to sell. > > pcConnection also had a Y adapter. Seems like it was in the $20.s > range. > > Good luck. -- Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue May 23 22:17:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA28044 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 22:17:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25792; Tue, 23 May 2000 22:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 22:16:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25714; Tue, 23 May 2000 22:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25700; Tue, 23 May 2000 22:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 22:16:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA15828; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:19:48 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:19:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000523175906.00c5ad90@pop3.iceka1.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: OK, I just chickened out at 5% left. Elapsed battery time was 3:38 minutes. Indicated time left was 10 minutes. So I probably could have hit 3:45 before it dropped into suspend. This battery is quite new, only 4 cycles on it. I don't know if it is capable of delivering full capacity as shipped, or if it needs to go through a few cycles first. Of course it matters how I was using the machine during the last few hours. Basically: No CD or floppy access. Most of the time spend typing in a telnet window, using the built in Ethernet. I did have a copy of Netscape open, looked at perhaps a dozen pages. I selected the 'Super Power Saver' option and then manually reduced the screen brightness to two clicks above zero. Fired up Word2000 once, so I had to reboot. Also the fan was on a fair amount, not sure why. BTW the 'Charge Completion Time' is about two hours, now 1:53 since I have been typing this email. Question: Is tp750@cs.utk.edu the same as thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, or are they separate lists? Thanks. On Tue, 23 May 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > >BTW now running on battery for 2:15 reading 1:43 left. 4 hours is right on > >target. > > I'd like to see if it actually makes it to 4. :-) > From cph Tue May 23 23:02:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA28262 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:02:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27785; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:01:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27697; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27684; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:01:45 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a0.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.208]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8410725E1D; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:01:42 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <392B42DE.67834E63@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:47:58 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Koh Subject: Re: Y cable for mouse/keyboard References: <392B1317.9E9D93AA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> <392B2441.13BF6318@theriver.com> <00d601bfc520$b03434e0$4041b4d8@davidreid> <392B3437.90B5224C@stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: When I talked to Fry's they said they were only intermittently available and only at certain Fry's stores... and they didn't have any they could find in any of their stores in April... They said it was pot luck and only to those who came into the store. From cph Tue May 23 23:08:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA28287 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:08:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28220; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:07:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28145; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28127; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:07:47 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a0.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.208]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51C0C25E04; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:06:43 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <392B440A.80ED7C03@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 19:52:58 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Subject: Re: T20 Impressions from a ThinkPad Old Timer References: <4.2.0.58.20000523163752.00c57e20@pop3.iceka1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: That parallel port connector cable for the floppy drive is $49 plus tax plus a hefty shipping charge... nearly $63 total... just for the cable From cph Tue May 23 23:14:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA28324 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:14:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28788; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:13:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:13:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28668; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28655; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:13:46 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA87629; Tue, 23 May 2000 20:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000523201044.00dd48c0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:13:56 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: What is going on with the list? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: When I signed up for this list, I signed up for the list with an address of "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" and for years, all was well. Recently (within the last few weeks), I've begun to notice a number of messages addressed to "tp750@cs.utk.edu". Since I never signed up for the "tp750" list, I'm at a loss to understand why I'm getting these messages. And unfortunately, the filtering rules I set up work fine for those messages addressed to "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" but not at all for the other "TP" lists. Does anybody know if something changed recently with the mailing list? -- David Goldman From cph Tue May 23 23:18:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA28364 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:18:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29130; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:17:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:17:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29041; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29028; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243 -> maynard.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:17:46 -0400 Received: from tp1721 (user-33qt835.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.160.101]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA11248 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003601bfc52e$71531120$65a0aec7@tp1721> From: "Chuck S." To: "TP List" References: <4.2.0.58.20000522150601.00c65980@pop3.iceka1.com> Subject: Re: T20 Port Coverings? Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:16:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Given all the complaints about EZ-Server not replacing these covers under the warranty, the elimination of these covers seems like a win-win for everyone. INHP, the covers were more cosmetic than functional. Apparently IBM agrees. Recessing the ports protects the connectors while making them more accessible and less problematic. The T20 may be the most expensive laptop available, and given all the improvements (both large and small), I doesn't make sense that IBM would forget to include a few plastic pieces. Just my opinion. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randal Whittle" To: "TP List" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 5:08 PM Subject: T20 Port Coverings? | | I can't be the only one that opened his new T20 only to find out that all | the ports on the back of the machine completely unprotected with any kind | of port door/cover? | | Did I miss something? Do I need to install it from somewhere? Did they | decide that port doors were unnecessary (if so, I disagree!). | | My TP600 has seem neat little rubber-hinged port doors, some of which wore | through and required replacing, but they serve their function. I'd hate to | think IBM got lazy and failed to design such a thing onto the T20. | | Comments? Any other T20 owners that *have* port covers? | | - Randy Whittle | | From cph Tue May 23 23:19:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA28372 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:19:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29398; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:18:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29278; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29225; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:18:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:18:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17022; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:21:45 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:21:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000523175906.00c5ad90@pop3.iceka1.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 23 May 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: <> > >I can tell that mechanically the T20 is superior, and I really was very > >excited right out of the box. The problems came when I loaded everything > >on. > > > Stop and look at what you read...it should tell you something! Yes I load a lot of programs on a laptop. Is this unusual? Perhaps the T20 and I got off on the wrong foot, I should wipe it clean and start again. > I don't know what you're doing--what you're installing on your > T20--but it sounds like you're creating a bit of a mess, and where all > those software doo-dads do things, they do awful things to the performance > and stability of your machine. I am a self employed consultant, and I work on Win/NT/Mac/UNIX networks and computers. I also do a fair amount of graphics in Photoshop/Quark/Illustrator, and some light web design. Factor in all the little apps I need for various clients (this type of firewall here, this backup client there), and it *is* a mess. I am constantly changing networks, print drivers, you name it. So, since I was getting along fairly well with a Winbook XL2, I figured the T20 should be up to the task. If this machine is NOT a lemon, then I guess I just hit on the wrong combination of installs. Usually I have a feel for these things (No, don't install more than 7 things before you reboot!) I moved machines very quickly, since I sold the XL2 to fund the T20. I didn't have much time to just explore, instead I dumped and installed and hit the road. > SE is a known problem. For all the fixes it introduced, it also > introduced new bugs. MS doesn't want to talk about it, but if you read the > stuff that's out there, you'll find a lot of bad reports. Many people will > avoid SE altogether and they try to get an older "original" Win98 to install. Hmmm. Would IBM stand behind me if I did that? When I told them I followed 3com's advice and changed a registry entry they winced, so my guess is a new OS would make them quite unwilling to provide support. > >battery. If I cannot trust it to reduce the screen brightness, how do > >I know it is slowing down the CPU? > > I'm sure there's something we're missing here...I just tried it > and have the same result. Aha, I'll be sure to mention this to IBM with my growing list. > I'd like to see if it actually makes it to 4. :-) Well about 3:45 give or take. I am also watching the charge time, quite nice at about two hours. With 50 minutes left to charge, most of the bottom of the case is quite warm. The coolest part is the battery. The whole deal is sitting on my lap, and it is warm enough that I wish it were not. -- Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue May 23 23:23:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA28405 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:23:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29931; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:22:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29855; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29841; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:22:43 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA11969 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:22:38 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002c01bfc52f$75b69ce0$c95b183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" References: <392B1317.9E9D93AA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> <392B2441.13BF6318@theriver.com> <00d601bfc520$b03434e0$4041b4d8@davidreid> <392B3437.90B5224C@stanford.edu> <392B42DE.67834E63@theriver.com> Subject: Re: Y cable for mouse/keyboard Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:23:39 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: onvia.com has the Y cable in stock for under $9, and I think shipping is free this month. I don't know if this is the IBM part, but usually they sell genuine IBM. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Bay" To: "Benjamin Koh" Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2000 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Y cable for mouse/keyboard When I talked to Fry's they said they were only intermittently available and only at certain Fry's stores... and they didn't have any they could find in any of their stores in April... They said it was pot luck and only to those who came into the store. From cph Tue May 23 23:23:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA28409 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:23:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29834; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:22:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29760; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29747; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:22:34 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.174]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000524032232.XEIR2120.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 03:22:32 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000523232140.00943290@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 23:21:40 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: What is going on with the list? In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000523201044.00dd48c0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:13 PM 05/23/2000 -0700, David Goldman wrote: >When I signed up for this list, I signed up for the list with an >address of "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" and for years, all was well. >Recently (within the last few weeks), I've begun to notice a number >of messages addressed to "tp750@cs.utk.edu". > >Since I never signed up for the "tp750" list, I'm at a loss to >understand why I'm getting these messages. And unfortunately, the >filtering rules I set up work fine for those messages addressed to >"thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" but not at all for the other "TP" lists. > IIRC, tp750@cs.utk.edu was the original address for this list. It was changed to thinkpad@cs.utk.edu a while back. Both of them work. From cph Tue May 23 23:36:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA28476 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:36:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00822; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:35:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00732; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00719; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maynard.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.243 -> maynard.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:35:05 -0400 Received: from tp1721 (user-33qt835.dialup.mindspring.com [199.174.160.101]) by maynard.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA28259 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004f01bfc530$daf5b0e0$65a0aec7@tp1721> From: "Chuck S." To: "TP List" References: Subject: Re: T20 Port Coverings? Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:33:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I'm not familiar with the back of the T20, but a 390 only has one male connector for a DB-9 serial port. The other ports are female, so there are no pins to damage. IMHP, the DB-9 is also pretty safe. The engineers don't always get it right, but I think there on solid ground here. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitchell Leben" To: "Randal Whittle" Cc: "TP List" Sent: Monday, May 22, 2000 5:53 PM Subject: Re: T20 Port Coverings? | No cover on my T20 either. I too would rather some type of cover to take | the random hits away from the pins. Perhaps someone manufactures push on | rubber protectors for the various connectors? | | I do have a metal set of port savers, but they extend ~1/2" out the back. | Good for a day of constant port use, but not as a general cover. | | On Mon, 22 May 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: | | > | > I can't be the only one that opened his new T20 only to find out that all | > the ports on the back of the machine completely unprotected with any kind | > of port door/cover? | > | | -- | Mitchell Leben Owner of scan@leben.com mailing | mitch@leben.com list for film & print scanners. Send | http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe scan' to majordomo@leben.com | | From cph Tue May 23 23:40:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA28513 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:40:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01178; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:39:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01102; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:39:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01089; Tue, 23 May 2000 23:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 23 May 2000 23:39:13 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA12020 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 17:39:06 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <005601bfc531$c375a640$c95b183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "TP List" References: Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 17:40:06 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: We should remember that this machine has been out for almost no time at all, running a relatively new OS and with a fair number of hardware improvements. Your Winbook XL was a minor update of an older model (newer processor, but as I recall the same video and sound hardware as the previous model), and you probably bought it with the relatively robust W95 OSR2. Do by all means pass your complaints on to IBM - they will probably *want* to hear them, if civilly expressed! - but I think you'll find that things will get better quite soon as new drivers, BIOS, etc. get released. BTW, If you are using printer drivers for W98 on a W98SE machine: *should* work, but when W95 became W95b, several of the older printer drivers (e.g., for Lexmark laser printers) became nonfunctional or even dangerous, so this is where I would get suspicious. IMHO 3:45 on a battery rated at 4:20 is fabulous, well within the industry norm for hyperbole. - David R. From cph Wed May 24 00:16:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA28768 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 00:16:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03094; Wed, 24 May 2000 00:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 May 2000 00:14:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02947; Wed, 24 May 2000 00:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02925; Wed, 24 May 2000 00:14:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 00:14:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA18264; Tue, 23 May 2000 22:17:42 -0500 Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:17:42 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: David Ross cc: TP List Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? In-Reply-To: <005601bfc531$c375a640$c95b183f@math.hawaii.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 23 May 2000, David Ross wrote: > We should remember that this machine has been out for almost no time at > all, running a relatively new OS and with a fair number of hardware > improvements. Your Winbook XL was a minor update of an older model > (newer processor, but as I recall the same video and sound hardware as > the previous model), and you probably bought it with the relatively > robust W95 OSR2. Bleeding edge syndrome, I know. I took my chances, still not sure of the outcome. > > Do by all means pass your complaints on to IBM - they will probably > *want* to hear them, if civilly expressed! - but I think you'll find > that things will get better quite soon as new drivers, BIOS, etc. get > released. I am counting on it. Winbook was very slow on driver updates, I expect better from IBM. > IMHO 3:45 on a battery rated at 4:20 is fabulous, well within the > industry norm for hyperbole. Yep, I'm quite pleased. Now we will have to wait and see for how many charges the battery can maintain this level of performance. Intersting to me that batteries from IBM are cheaper than from Winbook. See, I knew I was saving money by switching! -- Mitchell Leben Owner of scan@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for film & print scanners. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe scan' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Wed May 24 00:26:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA28807 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 00:26:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03725; Wed, 24 May 2000 00:26:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 May 2000 00:25:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03643; Wed, 24 May 2000 00:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03630; Wed, 24 May 2000 00:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 00:25:51 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.198] (helo=139-142-112-198.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 12uSjt-0006m1-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:25:49 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 20:49:14 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Some historic data points: The 701C, now over 4 years old, running Win95a, recognizes (kodak) Compact Flash cards, with drive mapping, instantly. > >Then I tried to read the Sandisk Compact Flash cards that I have moved >many gigabytes through in the past. Push in the PCMCIA adapter and it is >recognized, but no drive mapping. Reboot, still no drive letter. After a >few minutes I moved on and used a USB card reader, which was able to read >the CF card perfectly. > >Could it be that Win98SE is causing these problems? Previously I ran plane >Jane Win98. Also, somebody else was having LAN problems. I recently ran my 701C with an IBM Home and Away Ether/Modem PCMCIA card (14.4K modem disabled), probably costs less than $20 on ebay, on a university LAN network under TCP/IP, then suspended, ran standalone with the PCMCIA card installed but no cable, disconnected and ran standalone, connected to a different LAN under IPX/SPX (to use that LAN's printer), and ran again standalone, no problems whatsoever, all without having to reboot, or even type in a password. -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/hecate.htm Roads vs Neighbourhoods From cph Wed May 24 01:29:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA29022 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 01:29:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05649; Wed, 24 May 2000 01:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 May 2000 01:28:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05541; Wed, 24 May 2000 01:28:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05528; Wed, 24 May 2000 01:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 01:28:39 -0400 Received: from [12.73.5.69] by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000524052836.EGDQ9011.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@[12.73.5.69]> for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 05:28:36 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express for Macintosh - 4.01 (295) Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:28:34 +0100 Subject: Question about power management From: "Jerry T. Ciaramello" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000524052836.EGDQ9011.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@[12.73.5.69]> List-Unsubscribe: Hi, My name is Amy Frank. I just purchased an IBM Thinkpad I series 1540, Type 2651 with a 400mgh celeron processor, 4 gig hard drive, 64 mg, CD player, 12 in display. I recently updated my BIOS because the computer would freeze when the battery ran out of power. Now when the battery runs out, the screen goes dark and the computer beeps three times. My question is-does anyone know if I am supposed to also get a WRITTEN MESSAGE when the battery power is low?? I now have two conflicting stories from IBM TECH Support as to whether or not the alarm is only sound and not text or both. According to the power management icon under the control panel-there is tab marked Alarm Notice- and it gives you the option of choosing both sound and text for when the battery runs out. My previous laptop (Toshiba) had this simple feature and I have a hard time believing that IBM does not. Thank you in advance for any help. My e-mail address is: jerry.amy@att.net. From cph Wed May 24 03:38:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA29527 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 03:38:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10251; Wed, 24 May 2000 03:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 May 2000 03:37:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10139; Wed, 24 May 2000 03:37:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10126; Wed, 24 May 2000 03:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 03:37:00 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA12397 for ; Tue, 23 May 2000 21:36:56 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <005301bfc552$fc13a800$bc62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: [TPnone] New IBM laptop peripheral? Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 21:37:53 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Just saw this on the real true genuine IBM patents site: http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?patent_number=5501650 I guess that competition in the laptop field is forcing the manufacturers to look for radically new peripherals. - David R. From cph Wed May 24 04:08:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA29647 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 04:08:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12028; Wed, 24 May 2000 04:07:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 May 2000 04:07:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11934; Wed, 24 May 2000 04:07:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11921; Wed, 24 May 2000 04:07:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 04:07:01 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15531 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 01:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <392B8D49.2D0461B9@stanford.edu> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 01:05:29 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: Re: [TPnone] New IBM laptop peripheral? References: <005301bfc552$fc13a800$bc62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Dunno whether the email was sent as a joke, but the IBM patents site is merely an archive - it has no relation to IBM's commercial ventures and keeps track of all patents, IBM or not. In any case manufacturers of such toys would certainly want to protect their intellectual property rights too, and a patent is the smart way to do it. benjamin David Ross wrote: > > Just saw this on the real true genuine IBM patents site: > > http://www.patents.ibm.com/details?patent_number=5501650 > > I guess that competition in the laptop field is forcing the > manufacturers to > look for radically new peripherals. > > - David R. -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a 68k Mac or PC without installing IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Wed May 24 04:54:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA29830 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 04:54:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13731; Wed, 24 May 2000 04:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 May 2000 04:52:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13610; Wed, 24 May 2000 04:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13597; Wed, 24 May 2000 04:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 04:52:11 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA12579; Tue, 23 May 2000 22:52:00 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <005d01bfc55d$797c8fa0$bc62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Benjamin Koh" , "ThinkPad mailing list" References: <005301bfc552$fc13a800$bc62183f@math.hawaii.edu> <392B8D49.2D0461B9@stanford.edu> Subject: Re: [TPnone] New IBM laptop peripheral? Date: Tue, 23 May 2000 22:52:57 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "Dunno whether the email was sent as a joke" You mean my email? Certainly I hoped my post would be entertaining, but if you mean was I trying to put one over on anyone, the answer is no. "but the IBM patents site is merely an archive - it has no relation to IBM's commercial ventures" I was not aware of that - certainly nothing on that web page mentions this, just describes the device under the banner "IBM Intellectual property network." BTW, I was directed to this site by an article in an online news service, which speculated that IBM would pull the site when they learned of it - the implication being that, like me, they assumed that it was an IBM site. Had I known otherwise, I would not have made the post, since as a mere joke it is rather weak; I apologize to all for passing this on. - David R. From cph Wed May 24 08:46:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA31635 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:46:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29985; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 May 2000 08:44:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29764; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA29751; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (206.191.0.250 -> mx2.magma.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 08:44:24 -0400 Received: from mail6.magma.ca (mail6.magma.ca [206.191.0.248]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA02101 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port86.magma.ca [209.217.123.86]) by mail6.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA15933 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005241244.IAA15933@mail6.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:42:54 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <392B42DE.67834E63@theriver.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Y cable for mouse/keyboard List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 23 May 2000 19:47:58 -0700, Ray Bay wrote: >When I talked to Fry's they said they were only >intermittently available and only at certain >Fry's stores... and they didn't have any they >could find in any of their stores in April... >They said it was pot luck and only to those >who came into the store. I'm still using the Startech (www.startech.com) cable I bought for C$7. I've seen it elsewhere for C$15 (~U$10) so it may have been mispriced. Startech racks seem to be in just about every computer store in Ottawa, but not all inlcude the Y-cable. But look around for Startech. andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Wed May 24 10:22:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA32562 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:22:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08376; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:22:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 May 2000 10:21:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08190; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08177; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 10:21:28 -0400 Received: from uniblab (uniblab [146.88.9.146]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA06548 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 08:21:25 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <005601bfc58b$49198b00$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: References: <93C0BE6A6D6AD211BC7400A0C9D8FE870195B4A8@exton1.bentley.com> <4.3.1.0.20000523131537.00ba9e50@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: WTB: ThinkPad CD-ROM case Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 08:20:58 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: ...or maybe it's a DVD case. I bought the internal DVD for my 600X and it came with a simple pouch for carrying CDs or DVDs. It's thick enough for about 5 of them and has "ThinkPad" stamped into the flap. Does anyone have one that they want to sell? I didn't find them on the IBM site, so I don't know how much they are worth. Name your price (having said that, no, I'm not going to pay $100. :-). Thanks! Bob in New Mexico (USA :-) From cph Wed May 24 10:49:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA00367 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:49:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12472; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 May 2000 10:47:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12384; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12369; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 10:47:51 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA11590; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <392BEB8F.8333D45B@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:47:43 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle CC: TP List Subject: Re: T20 Impressions from a ThinkPad Old Timer References: <4.2.0.58.20000523163752.00c57e20@pop3.iceka1.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I too am shocked that they make you pay for the travel bezel accessory (to plug an empty ultrabay) and external floppy cable. These both came with the 600. IBM quoted me $61 for the external floppy cable. Outrageous! --Lee Hetherington From cph Wed May 24 10:53:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA00412 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:53:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12992; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 May 2000 10:52:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12915; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww181.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12902; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:52:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww181.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.81 -> ww181.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 10:52:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 4413 invoked by uid 60001); 24 May 2000 14:52:19 -0000 Message-ID: <20000524145219.4412.qmail@ww181.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.81 by ww181 for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(34FM1.4.02C) on Wed May 24 14:52:19 GMT 2000 Date: 24 May 00 09:52:19 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "Bob Greschke" , Subject: Re: WTB: ThinkPad CD-ROM case X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM1.4.02C) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA00413 Isn't that actually the case for carrying around your CD/DVD drive when it's not in the computer? I might be thinking of something else, but your description sounds an awful lot like the CD drive case that came with my wife's 600E. Not that it matters, of course. If you would rather use it for the actual CD/DVD media then good for you. CaseLogic also makes a similar case for CDs that holds about 10 in its own plastic sleeve insert, or you can remove that and put 3-4 CD jewel cases in it. Rob "Bob Greschke" wrote: > ...or maybe it's a DVD case. > > I bought the internal DVD for my 600X and it came with a simple pouch for > carrying CDs or DVDs. It's thick enough for about 5 of them and has > "ThinkPad" stamped into the flap. > > Does anyone have one that they want to sell? I didn't find them on the IBM > site, so I don't know how much they are worth. Name your price (having said > that, no, I'm not going to pay $100. :-). > > Thanks! > > Bob > in New Mexico (USA :-) > ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Wed May 24 11:58:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA01197 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 11:58:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17737; Wed, 24 May 2000 11:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 May 2000 11:57:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17602; Wed, 24 May 2000 11:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17570; Wed, 24 May 2000 11:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 11:57:07 -0400 Received: from uniblab (uniblab [146.88.9.146]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA15530 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 09:57:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000901bfc598$a5ade0c0$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: References: <20000524145219.4412.qmail@ww181.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: WTB: ThinkPad CD-ROM case Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 09:56:36 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: That's what I thought it was too, but the removed drive won't fit. At least not on the one that I have. So then I thought it must be for CDs in their jewel cases...nope. They don't fit either. About the only things that do are CDs in sleeves. I've got several of the CaseLogic cases...in fact I think I own half of the items that CaseLogic has ever produced! :-) Hmmm. Maybe I have a "reject". Anyway, none of this is what I want to use it for. My drive stays in my laptop. I want to use it for storing cables and connectors and stuff. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rob Bell" To: "Bob Greschke" ; Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 08:52 Subject: Re: WTB: ThinkPad CD-ROM case > Isn't that actually the case for carrying around your CD/DVD drive when it's > not in the computer? I might be thinking of something else, but your > description sounds an awful lot like the CD drive case that came with my > wife's 600E. Not that it matters, of course. If you would rather use it for > the actual CD/DVD media then good for you. CaseLogic also makes a similar > case for CDs that holds about 10 in its own plastic sleeve insert, or you can > remove that and put 3-4 CD jewel cases in it. > > Rob From cph Wed May 24 14:44:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA05395 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:44:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02200; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:42:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 May 2000 14:41:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01998; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p0016c23.us.kpmg.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01978; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p0016c23.us.kpmg.com (199.207.255.23 -> p0016c23.us.kpmg.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 14:41:51 -0400 Received: from p0016c52.kweb.us.kpmg.com by p0016c23.us.kpmg.com(Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA03224 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p0016c22.kweb.us.kpmg.com by p0016c52.kweb.us.kpmg.com via smtpd (for p0016c23.us.kpmg.com [199.207.255.23]) with SMTP; 24 May 2000 18:41:49 UT Received: from usnssexc11.kweb.us.kpmg.com by kpmg.com(Pro-8.9.2/Pro-8.9.2) with ESMTP id OAA26058 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usnssexc11.kweb.us.kpmg.com (unverified) by usnssexc11.kweb.us.kpmg.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:41:38 -0400 Received: by usnssexc11.kweb.us.kpmg.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:41:38 -0400 Message-Id: <211A728F180ED311B01F0008C75F54CF2C218D@usdalexc05.kweb.us.kpmg.com> From: "Egbert, Scott K" To: "Thinkpad (E-mail)" Subject: TP600 - Constant dinging on resume Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:41:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" List-Unsubscribe: I have a 600 (2645-45U), and have been having some trouble lately after I go into Standby and try to resume. The laptop constantly dings, and won't respond. I have to turn it off and turn it back on again to get it to work again. I have recently upgraded to the latest BIOS (ibet46ww, 4-25 release date), TrackPoint driver (2.00), and ThinkPad Configuration Utility (1.15). Before I revert back to the old versions, I thought I'd see if anyone else has had this problem, and if they have a solution that I might try. Thanks in advance! - Scott Egbert segbert@kpmg.com ***************************************************************************** The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. ***************************************************************************** From cph Wed May 24 14:52:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA05564 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:52:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03204; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 May 2000 14:50:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03116; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03103; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 14:50:55 -0400 Received: from halveyc (halveyc.smh.com [204.5.140.154]) by exch1.smh.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id KLA4A7QD; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:46:51 -0400 From: "Cornelius Halvey, MD" To: "'Egbert, Scott K'" , "Thinkpad \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: TP600 - Constant dinging on resume Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:55:08 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfc5b1$95804d00$9a8c05cc@smh.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <211A728F180ED311B01F0008C75F54CF2C218D@usdalexc05.kweb.us.kpmg.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: I've had this problem with Win98 as well on my 600. What worked for me was putting it back in standby and then waking it up again. Usually the dinging stopped the second time. Another reason to think about upgrading to Win2000 which is working great on my machine (2645-51u, 128mB RAM). Regards, Neil -----Original Message----- From: Egbert, Scott K [mailto:segbert@kpmg.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 2:42 PM To: Thinkpad (E-mail) Subject: TP600 - Constant dinging on resume I have a 600 (2645-45U), and have been having some trouble lately after I go into Standby and try to resume. The laptop constantly dings, and won't respond. I have to turn it off and turn it back on again to get it to work again. I have recently upgraded to the latest BIOS (ibet46ww, 4-25 release date), TrackPoint driver (2.00), and ThinkPad Configuration Utility (1.15). Before I revert back to the old versions, I thought I'd see if anyone else has had this problem, and if they have a solution that I might try. Thanks in advance! - Scott Egbert segbert@kpmg.com **************************************************************************** * The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. **************************************************************************** * From cph Wed May 24 15:10:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA05971 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:10:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04678; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.12); Wed, 24 May 2000 15:08:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04584; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04565; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 15:08:36 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.216.20]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000524190834.ERUE1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Wed, 24 May 2000 19:08:34 +0000 Message-ID: <392C28A2.9B5348F3@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:08:18 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Greschke CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WTB: ThinkPad CD-ROM case References: <20000524145219.4412.qmail@ww181.netaddress.usa.net> <000901bfc598$a5ade0c0$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Gee , I just use a Zip Lock bag. Birger From cph Wed May 24 15:57:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA06810 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:57:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10067; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 24 May 2000 15:54:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09934; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09891; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 15:53:53 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a0.pm3-26.theriver.com [208.164.102.64]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 849AA25D12; Wed, 24 May 2000 12:52:36 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <392C2FCE.E2CF235C@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 12:38:54 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: I Lee Hetherington Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? References: <392B1317.9E9D93AA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> <392B2441.13BF6318@theriver.com> <392BBBAE.FD3656A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: When I bought mine, I went to every single vendor listed on shopper.com. None had it in stock, nor could tell when they would have it in stock... except for IBM and Insight. I spent a day on this, calling all around... Even the places listed in Canada... and I shop nearly daily with NECX as I prefer their service and delivery... went to the Fry's store in Phoenix I ordered one each from IBM and Insight. IBM canceled their order unless I would like to postpone it for 45 days... Insight shipped in two days... both IBM and Insight had the same list price... Insight listed $6.00 shipping and charged me $9.95... IBM listed $9.95 shipping then posted only $4.05 on the completed order they later canceled. A very unusual experience for a non urgent item. Placing orders for Thinkpad accessories shouldn't be this difficult or time consuming... There were a lot of great ideas on this list, many who described great experiences, but very few of them panned out. Now trying to find a source of AC Adapters and batteries for an old 760... having the same kind of problem... either outrageous prices or if the prices is right, the item is unavailable. From cph Wed May 24 16:06:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA07009 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:06:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11038; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 24 May 2000 16:05:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10922; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10905; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 16:05:47 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA13917; Wed, 24 May 2000 10:05:36 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003401bfc5bb$92bd50e0$c262183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Ray Bay" , "ThinkPad mailing list" References: <392B1317.9E9D93AA@sls.lcs.mit.edu> <392B2441.13BF6318@theriver.com> <392BBBAE.FD3656A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> <392C2FCE.E2CF235C@theriver.com> Subject: [TPall] Accessories (was: Re: T20 Owners, common problems?) Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 10:06:36 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: As with the Y-adapter, let me recommend onvia.com for the AC Adapter. I just bought one from them for my 560; when shipping was factored in they undercut everyone else I looked at, and I got the thing very quickly (unusual, given my location). Unlike many vendors, their online inventory seems to be correct. Their selection of IBM accessories looks pretty complete, though one sometimes has to be clever in choice of search terms. No connection, etc. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Bay" To: "I Lee Hetherington" Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 9:38 AM Subject: Re: T20 Owners, common problems? When I bought mine, I went to every single vendor listed on shopper.com. None had it in stock, nor could tell when they would have it in stock... except for IBM and Insight. I spent a day on this, calling all around... Even the places listed in Canada... and I shop nearly daily with NECX as I prefer their service and delivery... went to the Fry's store in Phoenix I ordered one each from IBM and Insight. IBM canceled their order unless I would like to postpone it for 45 days... Insight shipped in two days... both IBM and Insight had the same list price... Insight listed $6.00 shipping and charged me $9.95... IBM listed $9.95 shipping then posted only $4.05 on the completed order they later canceled. A very unusual experience for a non urgent item. Placing orders for Thinkpad accessories shouldn't be this difficult or time consuming... There were a lot of great ideas on this list, many who described great experiences, but very few of them panned out. Now trying to find a source of AC Adapters and batteries for an old 760... having the same kind of problem... either outrageous prices or if the prices is right, the item is unavailable. From cph Wed May 24 16:30:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA07484 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:30:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15806; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 24 May 2000 16:29:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15710; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15697; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 16:29:23 -0400 Received: from uniblab (uniblab [146.88.9.146]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA00212; Wed, 24 May 2000 14:29:14 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <009801bfc5be$aa889880$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: Cc: References: <20000524145219.4412.qmail@ww181.netaddress.usa.net> <000901bfc598$a5ade0c0$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> <392C28A2.9B5348F3@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: WTB: ThinkPad CD-ROM case Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 14:28:45 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: You have Zip Lock bags stamped with "IBM" and/or "ThinkPad"!!?? Where did you get them??? ;-) This little pouch works much better than a plastic bag (that's what I was using, too), because the stuff you put inside can't shift around and ball up in the bottom of the bag. They are rigid enough that they keep everything (especially bulky/stiff SCSI cables and things like that) in line without having to tie everything up with twisties. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Birger Petterson" To: "Bob Greschke" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 13:08 Subject: Re: WTB: ThinkPad CD-ROM case > > Gee , I just use a Zip Lock bag. > > Birger > From cph Wed May 24 16:41:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA07716 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:41:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16659; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:40:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 24 May 2000 16:40:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16543; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16522; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 16:40:26 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id QAA15498; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:40:24 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id QAA19513; Wed, 24 May 2000 16:40:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000524133309.00a4cc70@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 13:40:20 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: T20 Screen--One more comment from the TP old timer... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: For anyone who cared to read my little "review" of the T20 yesterday, I have one more thing to add today: The T20 screen, compared to my TP600's screen (2 years old): Unquestionably, this T20's screen is brighter and has more contrast. It seemed brighter the whole time, but I just couldn't believe it was, so I declined a final comment. But now that I've started using it more, I just went to eBay and at the area where you log in, I noticed--quite clearly--some very subtle lines around a box where I never realized there *were* any. I went to the same page on the TP600 and what do you know...they were only there after some *real* squinting and angle-adjustments to the screen. So much so that after *months* of going to that web page almost daily, I had *never* noticed the lines before! But they literally popped out at me on the T20. For what its worth, both machines are set at their maximum brightness. I suppose the technology for TFT screens has simply improved in the last 2 years. - Randy From cph Wed May 24 17:24:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA08619 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 17:24:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21862; Wed, 24 May 2000 17:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 24 May 2000 17:22:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21728; Wed, 24 May 2000 17:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21711; Wed, 24 May 2000 17:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 17:22:54 -0400 Received: from 207-172-211-6.s6.tnt3.nrf.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.211.6] helo=Don) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12uic8-0006Ld-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 24 May 2000 17:22:52 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 24 May 2000 17:24:38 -0400 Message-ID: <01BFC5A4.F01B69A0.d.damato@bay-design.com> From: "Don D'Amato" Reply-To: "d.damato@bay-design.com" To: "'ThinkPad mailing list'" Subject: RE: T20 Screen--One more comment from the TP old timer... Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 17:24:38 -0400 Organization: Bay Design X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 52 TEXT List-Unsubscribe: the screen on my T20 is superior to any i've seen at any size or resolution by any manufacturer. like you, i've discerned new low-contrast details in pictures and web sites that i've seen many times before on other machines. i've had my T20 for over a week now and i'm still amazed by the screen's brightness, sharpness, and color balance. for reference, this screen set at brightness level 3 or 4 (of 7!) is just as bright as that of my former Toshiba Tecra (8100) at its brightest setting. i also prefer the T20's screen to any of the CRT's we have at the office. on a related note, DVD movies are a pleasure to watch on the T20. on my last business trip, i rented a couple movies to watch on the plane and i was VERY impressed by the picture quality. i've tried watching DVD's on other notebooks but the picture is usually so dim and unfocused that it's hardly worth the effort. not so with the T20 on which even flesh tones look good. on an unrelated note, i just spoke to IBM tech support about the poor battery life i've gotten thus far (1:50 max.), and they quickly agreed to send a replacement at their own expense, complete with pre-paid return shipping labels for the old battery. can't beat that service. -----Original Message----- From: Randal Whittle [SMTP:rwhittle@usa.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 4:40 PM To: TP List Subject: T20 Screen--One more comment from the TP old timer... For anyone who cared to read my little "review" of the T20 yesterday, I have one more thing to add today: The T20 screen, compared to my TP600's screen (2 years old): Unquestionably, this T20's screen is brighter and has more contrast. It seemed brighter the whole time, but I just couldn't believe it was, so I declined a final comment. But now that I've started using it more, I just went to eBay and at the area where you log in, I noticed--quite clearly--some very subtle lines around a box where I never realized there *were* any. I went to the same page on the TP600 and what do you know...they were only there after some *real* squinting and angle-adjustments to the screen. So much so that after *months* of going to that web page almost daily, I had *never* noticed the lines before! But they literally popped out at me on the T20. For what its worth, both machines are set at their maximum brightness. I suppose the technology for TFT screens has simply improved in the last 2 years. - Randy From cph Wed May 24 21:07:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11144 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:07:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03992; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 24 May 2000 20:53:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03612; Wed, 24 May 2000 20:53:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA03581; Wed, 24 May 2000 20:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 20:51:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA06410 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:54:58 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 18:54:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [T20] More battery results Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Spent the afternoon at a coffee shop, ran for 3:15 with 8% left at the end. I used the 'Super Power Saver' profile and then set the screen to the second brightness level. Spent about two hours in Word2K (no crashes!), even left the winking wire running. Very light disk access during this time. The last hour I fired up Winamp with some MP3 files and plugged in headphones. While listening I put in the IBM Software Selections CD, explored a bit, and made a copy of it to the hard drive. I spent the remainder of the time poking around the system, checking out Config Safe, etc. So my very brief experience suggests that 4 hours is possible, but 3:30 is more reasonable with moderate use. I'll watch it again while working in Photoshop and report back. BTW I was reading a manual and thought I'd blank the screen to buy some time. Fn-F3 would blank the screen *and* stop Winamp. Since I really wanted to listen, I just let the screen burn. Any ideas on why this would happen? -- Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Wed May 24 21:14:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11182 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:14:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05239; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:12:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 24 May 2000 21:12:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05160; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05106; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.32 -> smtp.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 21:11:22 -0400 Received: from dsl-216-227-92-125.telocity.com (HELO bertha) (216.227.92.125) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2000 17:33:35 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "dennis pantazis" To: "TP List" Cc: "Randal Whittle" , "Mitchell Leben" Subject: RE: T20 Impressions from a ThinkPad Old Timer Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:35:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000523163752.00c57e20@pop3.iceka1.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: call me a heretic, but my generic "QVS" ps/2 keyboard/mouse splitter was like $7.00 from CDW, i think shipping was $4. i think i have seen the same brand at microcenter too. cheap is good (esp when you are saving up bread for a new tp)! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Wed May 24 21:17:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11223 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:17:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05789; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 24 May 2000 21:16:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05596; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:16:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05564; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (206.191.0.250 -> mx2.magma.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 21:16:17 -0400 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09241 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port45.magma.ca [209.217.123.45]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA24675 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005250116.VAA24675@mail3.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:13:52 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <009801bfc5be$aa889880$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WTB: ThinkPad CD-ROM case List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 24 May 2000 14:28:45 -0600, Bob Greschke wrote: >You have Zip Lock bags stamped with "IBM" and/or >"ThinkPad"!!?? Where did you get them??? ;-) Probably from IBM, $12 each plus shipping. ;) andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Wed May 24 21:31:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11290 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:31:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07143; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 24 May 2000 21:30:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07061; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07038; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:30:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 21:30:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA07013 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 19:33:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 19:33:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [T20] Where/How to fax? Win98SE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: This one should be easy ;) What is the best way to fax from the T20? I looked in the Add/Remove Software Control Panel under Communications, no fax driver option. Searched Windows and IBM's help files, tried the TP Configuration tool, nada. I am trying to fax from Word. Many thanks! -- Mitchell Leben Owner of scan@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for film & print scanners. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe scan' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Wed May 24 21:46:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11372 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:46:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08146; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 24 May 2000 21:45:20 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08062; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 21:45:20 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id VAA23502 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3805.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25929; Wed, 24 May 2000 18:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3805.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.176 -> web3805.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 18:43:11 -0400 Message-ID: <20000524224310.29804.qmail@web3805.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.4.253.3] by web3805.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 24 May 2000 15:43:10 PDT Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 15:43:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: Re: WTB: ThinkPad CD-ROM case To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I keep my external floppy in a case I picked up at Office Max for $5. It is actually a case for a zip drive, but holds a TP cdrom just fine. Garrett. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Wed May 24 21:46:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA11376 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:46:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08239; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 24 May 2000 21:45:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08152; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:45:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08127; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.120 -> pilot020.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 24 May 2000 21:45:30 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (symposium.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.43]) by pilot020.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA71994 for ; Wed, 24 May 2000 21:45:28 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000524214331.00d6cdd0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:45:43 -0400 To: "TP List" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: T20 Impressions from a ThinkPad Old Timer In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000523163752.00c57e20@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Hear, hear! I've been *amazed* to hear the prices some people have been quoting for this idiot adaptor. Reminds me why I've made a lot of my own over the years (ham radio teaches one to do this). Unless there is a manufacturing defect in it, I'll bet its just as good as the more expensive versions. Thanks for saying where you got this; I'll remember that next time someone wants one of these. --STeve Andre' At 07:35 PM 5/24/00 -0500, dennis pantazis wrote: >call me a heretic, but my generic "QVS" ps/2 keyboard/mouse splitter was >like $7.00 from CDW, i think shipping was $4. i think i have seen the same >brand at microcenter too. cheap is good (esp when you are saving up bread >for a new tp)! From cph Thu May 25 00:52:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA12386 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:52:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01602; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 00:48:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01417; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01404; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 00:48:28 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA11499; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:48:27 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA24770; Thu, 25 May 2000 00:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000524213957.00c6b5c0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 21:42:39 -0700 To: Mitchell Leben , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [T20] Where/How to fax? Win98SE In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 07:33 PM 5/24/00 -0500, you wrote: >What is the best way to fax from the T20? I looked in the Add/Remove >Software Control Panel under Communications, no fax driver option. >Searched Windows and IBM's help files, tried the TP Configuration tool, >nada. I am trying to fax from Word. Interesting question--is the T20 modem (or for that matter, previous built-in ThinkPad modems) also fax-capable? Short answer (for me, anyway): I use eFax. Negates the need to have a faxmodem, only requiring an internet connection (or whatever kind). Works great for me. :-) - Randy From cph Thu May 25 01:11:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA12489 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 01:11:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02312; Thu, 25 May 2000 01:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 01:09:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02226; Thu, 25 May 2000 01:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA02213; Thu, 25 May 2000 01:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from houdini.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 01:09:46 -0400 content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Randal Whittle" , "Mitchell Leben" , "TP List" Subject: RE: [T20] Where/How to fax? Win98SE Date: Wed, 24 May 2000 23:09:11 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A01A369@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [T20] Where/How to fax? Win98SE Thread-Index: Ab/GBHfnkgB6+OFiRfea3LhOejgzdwAAtcFQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id BAA12490 Yep, the modem is a fax modem. Any fax software should work. ssh > -----Original Message----- > From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 10:43 PM > To: Mitchell Leben; TP List > Subject: Re: [T20] Where/How to fax? Win98SE > > > At 07:33 PM 5/24/00 -0500, you wrote: > >What is the best way to fax from the T20? I looked in the Add/Remove > >Software Control Panel under Communications, no fax driver option. > >Searched Windows and IBM's help files, tried the TP > Configuration tool, > >nada. I am trying to fax from Word. > > Interesting question--is the T20 modem (or for that matter, > previous built-in ThinkPad modems) also fax-capable? > > Short answer (for me, anyway): I use eFax. Negates > the need to > have a faxmodem, only requiring an internet connection (or whatever > kind). Works great for me. :-) > > - Randy > > > From cph Thu May 25 02:06:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA12738 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 02:06:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04217; Thu, 25 May 2000 02:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 02:04:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04111; Thu, 25 May 2000 02:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04098; Thu, 25 May 2000 02:04:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 02:04:40 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.174.216]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Thu, 25 May 2000 02:05:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id BAA04192; Thu, 25 May 2000 01:48:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 01:48:27 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: "Shawn T. Rutledge" cc: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [730T]: More fun w/ Linux In-Reply-To: <20000523171029.D8235@electron.quantum.int> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 23 May 2000, Shawn T. Rutledge wrote: > Well I don't have any problem with a DOS based loader... it might > even be a good idea on that kind of machine so I can run a few > (gasp) DOS programs too. And I've heard that those disks aren't > straightforward to get a FAT filesystem installed from scratch either. > It might be better to use fips to shrink the existing partition to > make room for an EXT2 partition. But that's a hunch at this point. > My attempts to date have been with the kind of Linux distro that just > runs off a FAT partition, not because that's particularly good but > because I didn't want to push my luck just yet. It's actually not all that hard to start from scratch if the drive filesystems or partitions get messed up. Under Linux, you just insert the drive, fdisk and mkfs as necessary. Getting a PCMCIA drive bootable (with a DOS bootsector and OS) can be a bit more of a challenge. Usually what I do is either install the drive into a working MS-Windows machine and run sys from there, or access the partition in DOSEMU. The hardest challenge I've come across as far as putting data on the drive was re-installing a DOS master boot record after my ill-fated attempt to run LILO from the drive. Windows wouldn't do it for me, don't know how to do it directly from Linux - ultimately had to get an older version of DOSEMU (0.66 or so - supporting "wholedisk"), boot DOSEMU from a floppy/floppy image, and fdisk/mbr that way. For some reason, tho, the DOSEMU folks took wholedisk support out of DOSEMU 1.0... But as for distros - I'm still not that far along yet. I'm really stuck on this bootup thing. If I can at least get cardmgr to run and beep at me, so I know it found the hard drive, then the rest of the installation is easy. I hope the Thinkpad doesn't do something stupid like hide the PCMCIA device that it's masquerading as a regular IDE controller. > > So I'm thinking my next attempts are gonna be along these lines - > > super-streamlined kernel, everything in modules except for the vitals - initrd > > and the filesystems. initrd image will run card services (which will > > hopefully find the drive, install the module, and allow me to boot) - from > > there, a regular root volume setup. > > Yikes how do you even switch the root filesystem from the RAM disk to > the hard disk? Can that be done? If you keep the RAM disk and try > to mount the hard disk on top of it, you'd have a whole bunch of mount > points for the directories under root, right? Unless you can find the The technique is called initrd - the driver is included probably at least as far back as 2.0. It's just an automated mechanism for taking a filesystem in RAM (loaded by the bootloader) and running a program there - when that program is done, the real root partition is mounted and the ram disk is remounted to /initrd. You just make a filesystem with the drivers and programs you need, put it into your bootloader, and the initrd driver automates the rest. At least, that's how it's supposed to work. Like I said, I haven't been able to get one to run. On the other hand, I've gotten lots of them to fail to run. But the mechanism is there, intended for various situations where essential drivers had to be loaded in before root got mounted - SCSI drivers, PCMCIA, etc. Actually to be more precise, I believe I have gotten one initrd rootdisk to run, it just didn't do much. I seem to be having no luck even getting a shell going. > > For a bootloader, one version of DOS or another calling straight into > > loadlin. Since on startup the kernel image and initrd image will have to be > > in memory at the same time keeping it all small enough for the 8MB is key. > > Well you can upgrade the memory. 8 meg and larger 5V DRAM cards show > up on ebay now and then. I got a couple of them. Hee hee... I think I spend far too much money on EBay already. :) As for the other stuff, it turns out DOS makes a pretty decent bootloader - and main memory isn't such a huge problem as I thought, if you really strip it down even a 2.3.99 can fit under a half meg zImage... the initrd is more of a problem space wise... > > I'd love to hear if anybody has any useful input on this - and also whether > > BSD might be better equipped to run on this neat little machine. > > That's a very good point; maybe its IDE driver is more universal. > It's also possible their PCMCIA support is better. At least that's what I'm hoping. This would be so much easier if I had my school Linux club to turn to for help. > BTW I would be most grateful if you help flesh out the Wiki at > http://cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com:9673/zwiki/SlateComputers/ThinkPad%20730T > (which is reachable by clicking the link at > http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud/730T/ ) > The link doesn't seem to work. It just hangs. ---GEC Projects page: http://tetsujin.sourceforge.net/ GAIM/AOL IM: Tetsujin0 - Message anytime -- ICQ: 46909656 - I never use it From cph Thu May 25 09:28:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA14763 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:28:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28733; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 09:25:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28523; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28502; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 09:25:30 -0400 Received: from jz2q77qjkfu543 (mmax38.vramp.net [198.138.8.101]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA00597; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:23:55 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Mitchell Leben" , Subject: RE: [T20] Where/How to fax? Win98SE Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:24:12 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Mitch, First, let me say how envious I am of your new T20. I hope it continues to serve you well and you keep us all informed as you test drive it. W2K automatically loads the Fax driver elements when first installed, provided it finds a suitable fax/modem device. The W2K Help file has the following to say about faxing: "To fax a document In any Windows-based program that contains a Print command, click File, and then click Print to open the Print dialog box. Select the fax printer, and then click Print to open the Send Fax wizard. If this is your first time faxing a document and your user information in Fax Control Panel is not complete, a message appears asking whether you want to fill out the information now or later. Click the Open Fax Control Panel button if you want to open the Fax Properties dialog box to complete the user information. Click the Take No Action button to open the Send Fax wizard without completing the user information." I use the W2K fax function often on my 600s and find it useful enough that I haven't bothered to load Winfax on them. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Mitchell Leben [mailto:mitch@leben.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 8:34 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: [T20] Where/How to fax? Win98SE > > > This one should be easy ;) > > What is the best way to fax from the T20? I looked in the Add/Remove > Software Control Panel under Communications, no fax driver option. > Searched Windows and IBM's help files, tried the TP Configuration tool, > nada. I am trying to fax from Word. > > Many thanks! > > -- > Mitchell Leben Owner of scan@leben.com mailing > mitch@leben.com list for film & print scanners. 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It won't go back into suspend mode. Any other ideas? - Scott K. Egbert segbert@kpmg.com -----Original Message----- From: Cornelius Halvey, MD [mailto:cornelius-halvey@smh.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 12:55 PM To: 'Egbert, Scott K'; Thinkpad (E-mail) Subject: RE: TP600 - Constant dinging on resume I've had this problem with Win98 as well on my 600. What worked for me was putting it back in standby and then waking it up again. Usually the dinging stopped the second time. Another reason to think about upgrading to Win2000 which is working great on my machine (2645-51u, 128mB RAM). Regards, Neil -----Original Message----- From: Egbert, Scott K [mailto:segbert@kpmg.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 2:42 PM To: Thinkpad (E-mail) Subject: TP600 - Constant dinging on resume I have a 600 (2645-45U), and have been having some trouble lately after I go into Standby and try to resume. The laptop constantly dings, and won't respond. I have to turn it off and turn it back on again to get it to work again. I have recently upgraded to the latest BIOS (ibet46ww, 4-25 release date), TrackPoint driver (2.00), and ThinkPad Configuration Utility (1.15). Before I revert back to the old versions, I thought I'd see if anyone else has had this problem, and if they have a solution that I might try. Thanks in advance! - Scott Egbert segbert@kpmg.com **************************************************************************** * The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. 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This can be reinstalled with something like "dd if=/boot/boot.0300 of=/dev/hda bs=512 count=1". Be careful though, you're playing with raw disk blocks. I recently did this to restore Win98's MBR when I had been playing around with Linux and it worked fine. --Lee Hetherington From cph Thu May 25 10:33:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA15266 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:33:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03340; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 10:31:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03201; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:31:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03181; Thu, 25 May 2000 10:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 10:31:22 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-14.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.14]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA15092 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:31:18 +0300 Message-Id: <200005251431.RAA15092@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:12:58 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP600E: UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zc List-Unsubscribe: I'm trying to use an UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter with my TP600E. I installed a TravelStar 5GS (DADA-25120) into the adapter, but when I insert the whole thing into the TP600E and boot, I'm asked for a password (although my system isn't using any password). I thought this maybe because the system views the 2nd drive as master, but I can't figure out how to configure it as slave: if one puts a jumper on the interface connector, the drive won't fit into the UltraSlimBay adapter. Anyway, IBM has probably designed the system so that the original drive is master and the drive in the UltraSlimBay adapter is slave. I do have the latest BIOS applied. Any other suggestions? Thanks, Dominique From cph Thu May 25 11:09:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA15533 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:09:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06097; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 11:08:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05959; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05946; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 11:08:41 -0400 Received: from 207-172-210-168.s168.tnt2.nrf.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.210.168] helo=Don) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 12uzFX-0003yx-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:08:40 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:10:25 -0400 Message-ID: <01BFC639.D36DFEE0.d.damato@bay-design.com> From: "Don D'Amato" Reply-To: "d.damato@bay-design.com" To: "'ThinkPad mailing list'" Subject: IBM's high prices put in perspective. Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:10:24 -0400 Organization: Bay Design X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Encoding: 13 TEXT List-Unsubscribe: i recently paid over $4000 for a new T20 thinkpad when comparably spec'ed notebooks from other manufacturers were as much as $1000 less. why? for me, two reasons: quality and service. as regards the former, i can't say anything you don't know...IBM makes the best notebooks, bar none. but, i just had my first opportunity to test their service. the battery life on my T20 was poor despite repeated attempts to condition the new battery. so, i called tech support yesterday (no hold time whatsoever) and they quickly agreed to send a replacement battery in "3-5 days". well, guess what...i got it today! complete with pre-paid labels for returning the old battery. i am frankly amazed. it makes that 4 grand a lot easier to swallow. don From cph Thu May 25 11:23:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA15634 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:23:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07169; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 11:21:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07096; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07076; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (192.108.254.26 -> mail1.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 11:21:34 -0400 Received: (qmail 3838 invoked from network); 25 May 2000 15:21:31 -0000 Received: from i48-13-02.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.5.2) by mail1.teleport.com with SMTP; 25 May 2000 15:21:31 -0000 Message-ID: <392D455A.8C4C48A5@teleport.com> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 08:23:07 -0700 From: Bryan Daum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600e dvd? References: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A01A369@houdini.accumedia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: As the 600E 366 w/DVD has dropped in price to $1900 (!) the question is how well will the DVD movies work with this processor? Will additional memory be required or be helpful for DVD? Bryan 701C From cph Thu May 25 11:39:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA15746 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:39:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08433; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 11:37:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08333; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08319; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 11:37:32 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22666; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <392D48B1.DB54574C@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:37:21 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominique Pivard CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600E: UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter References: <200005251431.RAA15092@mail.clinet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: It sounds like the TravelStar has a password. I doubt it matters whether it is master or slave; the BIOS is insisting on the password either way. Was this a new drive? I can certainly insert drives in my 600's ultrabay without being prompted for a password. --Lee Hetherington From cph Thu May 25 11:57:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA15867 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:57:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09754; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:55:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 11:55:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09660; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:55:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw3.njit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09647; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw3.njit.edu (128.235.251.11 -> mail-gw3.njit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 11:55:19 -0400 Received: from homer.njit.edu (homer.njit.edu [128.235.35.70]) by mail-gw3.njit.edu (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4PFtFr01722 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:55:15 -0400 Received: from random.njit.edu (random [128.235.35.107]) by homer.njit.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA05998 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (marvin@localhost) by random.njit.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA20202 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:53:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Marvin Nakayama To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: off-topic: outlook express Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Sorry, this is post is a bit off topic, but I can't figure out how to solve my problem. I had to re-install Win98SE on my Thinkpad 770 (so this post has something to do with thinkpads :) ). Before I did the reinstall, I copied my entire C: partition to my D: partition and then reformatted my C: drive. After the re-install of Win98, I now want to set up Outlook Express 5 so that it's just like before, i.e., I want all of my old e-mails, newsgroups, address book, etc. I assume that all of this information is somewhere in my backed-up C: drive, but I can't find it. Does anyone know how I can do this? Thanks a lot. Marvin From cph Thu May 25 12:23:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA16103 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:23:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11854; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:21:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 12:21:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11779; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11759; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (207.181.194.95 -> atlas.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 12:21:37 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by atlas.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA43784; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from think2k (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA79107; Thu, 25 May 2000 09:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008e01bfc665$4d379cb0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Marvin Nakayama" , References: Subject: Re: off-topic: outlook express Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:21:37 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Marvin, This is tricky. The files are stored in a standard place by user. I use Windows 2000 Professional, so mine are in: C:\Documents and Settings\David Taylor\Local Settings\Application Data\Identities\{41811C3E-7A55-41DA-??????????}\Microsoft\Outlook Express (??? inserted for paranoia) The files that you are looking for are of type *.DBX The trick is that you have to turn on viewing of Hidden and System files in the Windows Explorer. These files are all invisible otherwise. Under Win98SE (why oh why are you hurting yourself?? Hint, switch to W2K!) you will probably find them somewhere slightly different. The good news is that once you have copied them to your hard drive from your backup, you can actually store them anywhere. The path is set within OE under Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder. Next you need the address book, which for me is: C:\Documents and Settings\David Taylor\Application Data\Microsoft\Address Book\David Taylor.wab. Finally you need your Rules. This is hard. The rules are stored in registry under [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\{41811C3E-7A55-41DA-??????????}\Software\Micro soft\Outlook Express\5.0\Rules\Mail] (??? more paranoia) You have lost your rules this time, because you did not use RegEdit to dump this key before you blew away your drive. The Registry is stored in a file called System.dat (I think.), but there is no easy way that I know of to open that now. Some other guru may know that. (Mike Geary, feel free to pipe up!) Aren't you glad you asked? David -- David Taylor, Detayls ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marvin Nakayama" To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 8:53 AM Subject: off-topic: outlook express > Sorry, this is post is a bit off topic, but I can't > figure out how to solve my problem. I had to re-install > Win98SE on my Thinkpad 770 (so this post has something > to do with thinkpads :) ). > Before I did the reinstall, I copied my entire C: partition > to my D: partition and then reformatted my C: drive. After > the re-install of Win98, I now want to set up Outlook Express 5 > so that it's just like before, i.e., I want all of my > old e-mails, newsgroups, address book, etc. > I assume that all of this information is somewhere > in my backed-up C: drive, but I can't find it. > Does anyone know how I can do this? > Thanks a lot. > > Marvin > > From cph Thu May 25 12:40:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA16259 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:40:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13281; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 12:38:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13082; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13072; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:37:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.1 -> imo11.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 12:37:59 -0400 Received: from Kielar1@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id o.ce.5d700ed (4198) for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:37:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:37:52 EDT Subject: A20/T20 and Windows 2000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 70 List-Unsubscribe: Can anyone who ordered a T20 with w2k installed confirm if there is a recovery cd included? Or is it necessary to backup the hard drive in order to recover? The pdf docs for the A20/T20 say they come with a windows nt and windows 2000 recovery cd, and the fine print says that there is only a windows nt recovery cd. From cph Thu May 25 12:42:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA16280 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:42:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13601; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 12:42:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13523; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-2.core.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13509; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:42:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-Id: <200005251642.MAA13509@cs.utk.edu> Received: from smtp-2.core.com (208.40.40.41 -> mx2.core.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 12:42:06 -0400 Received: from 192.168.0.1 ([209.81.176.176]) by smtp-2.core.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id FV4JME00.T9J for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:39:50 -0400 Reply-To: Charles Monett To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: Subject: RE: IBM's high prices put in perspective. Date: 25 May 2000 12:37:14 -0500 X-Mailer: NeoPlanet Version: 5.1.0.1471 X-ID: 193F7000185D11D4A63A00805FEABF78 List-Unsubscribe: > > i recently paid over $4000 for a new T20 thinkpad when comparably spec'ed > notebooks from other manufacturers were as much as $1000 less. why? for > me, two reasons: quality and service. as regards the former, i can't say > anything you don't know...IBM makes the best notebooks, bar none. but, i > just had my first opportunity to test their service. the battery life on > my T20 was poor despite repeated attempts to condition the new battery. > so, i called tech support yesterday (no hold time whatsoever) and they > quickly agreed to send a replacement battery in "3-5 days". well, guess > what...i got it today! complete with pre-paid labels for returning the old > battery. i am frankly amazed. it makes that 4 grand a lot easier to > swallow. > > don But what about their $1300 offerings? Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com From cph Thu May 25 12:59:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA16431 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:59:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15157; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 12:58:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15073; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15060; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 12:58:03 -0400 Received: from cjsibm (ftw-tx28-41.ix.netcom.com [205.187.95.169]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA12218 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:58:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Charles J Schultz SR" To: "Thinkpad@Cs. Utk. Edu" Subject: Second drive for 770Z Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:56:32 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Hi I am wanting to install a second hard drive in my 770Z. I purchased the ultra bay second hard drive adapter and was wondering if I could get a adapter to use the IBM 25 gig drive in this unit. I priced a 14.1 drive which is apparently a drop-in but its 1100.00 from IBM. I can purchase the 25 gig IBM drive for around 550.00. Any help or ideas on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Chuck From cph Thu May 25 13:00:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA16451 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:00:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15453; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 12:59:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15355; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15335; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.101 -> pilot001.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 12:59:39 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (symposium.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.43]) by pilot001.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA59248 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:59:37 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000525125806.00d87540@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:59:53 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: IBM's high prices put in perspective. In-Reply-To: <200005251642.MAA13509@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Well, I've never bought one of IBM's $1300 laptops, but a $1800 and a $2200 i Series 1451 and 1480, and I can attest to the same fast service for problems, like a bad battery. --STeve Andre' At 12:37 PM 5/25/00 -0500, you wrote: > > i recently paid over $4000 for a new T20 thinkpad when comparably spec'ed > > notebooks from other manufacturers were as much as $1000 less. why? for > > me, two reasons: quality and service. as regards the former, i can't say > > anything you don't know...IBM makes the best notebooks, bar none. but, i > > just had my first opportunity to test their service. the battery life on > > my T20 was poor despite repeated attempts to condition the new battery. > > so, i called tech support yesterday (no hold time whatsoever) and they > > quickly agreed to send a replacement battery in "3-5 days". well, guess > > what...i got it today! complete with pre-paid labels for returning the > old > > battery. i am frankly amazed. it makes that 4 grand a lot easier to > > swallow. > > > > don > >But what about their $1300 offerings? From cph Thu May 25 13:14:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA16605 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:14:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16758; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:13:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 13:13:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16661; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16643; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 13:13:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19720; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:16:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:16:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: "James H. E. Maugham" cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: [T20] Where/How to fax? Win98SE In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi James, I am using Win98SE, and it seems there is no built in fax support. There is a fax portion of Windows Messanging Services called AFW or some such that I used to install to fix the fax driver on my old machine. Too busy to even turn on the T20 today, so I'll try it later. I am surprised though that IBM ships the T20 with no fax support (that I can find). When I try it out I'll post the results. Aside - Last night I started a CD burning with Adaptec CD Creator before going to bed. Once I saw it start I hit Fn-F3 to blank the screen. After a few seconds it popped back up. I played this game for a while and gave up. Any ideas on why the screen would not stay blanked? No other programs were running. On Thu, 25 May 2000, James H. E. Maugham wrote: > Mitch, > > First, let me say how envious I am of your new T20. I hope it continues to > serve you well and you keep us all informed as you test drive it. > > W2K automatically loads the Fax driver elements when first installed, > provided it finds a suitable fax/modem device. > > The W2K Help file has the following to say about faxing: From cph Thu May 25 13:29:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA16760 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:29:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18359; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 13:28:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18256; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:28:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18242; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:28:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (151.164.30.29 -> mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 13:28:26 -0400 Received: from chuck ([206.170.4.141]) by mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FV400KLVLUT9G@mta5.rcsntx.swbell.net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:28:11 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 10:27:41 -0700 From: Chuck Blaisdell Subject: RE: [T20] Where/How to fax? Win98SE In-reply-to: To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Message-id: <392D001D.21654.2F4B45@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Priority: normal References: List-Unsubscribe: On 25 May 2000, at 11:16, Mitchell Leben wrote: > > Hi James, > > I am using Win98SE, and it seems there is no built in fax support. ... This same topic was raised on one of the newsgroups. Someone pointed folks to http://home.epix.net/~bwatt/msfax.htm for the answer. I've not tried the procedure mentioned there yet. From cph Thu May 25 13:47:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA16958 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:47:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19888; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 13:45:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19761; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.psnet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19748; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.psnet.net (216.98.165.1 -> psnet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 13:45:55 -0400 Received: from MYCROFT ([216.98.165.92]) by ns1.psnet.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id LS41GLXV; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:29:45 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Robert W. King" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:45:14 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi folks! I recently acquired a Kodak DC240 digital camera. I've been quite pleased with it. However, I have come up with a question that I can't seem to answer that relates to ThinkPad PCMCIA usage. The camera normally uses a USB or serial port cable to interface with the laptop (or any other PC). However, the camera uses CompactFlash 'digital film' memory cards to record its images. I have acquired a SanDisk CompactFlash PC card adapter into which you plug the memory card and then plug it into the laptop's PCMCIA card slot. The card is recognized by Windows 98 running on my 770ED and the IDE/ESDI driver is installed for it. I fully expected that I would then be able to access the card as a very small (8 megabyte) HD device. My principal reason for bothering was the possibility of being able to leave the cable at home. However, all is not well. The Control Panel/System information reports that the device is not functioning properly and recommends I update the driver. No new driver seems to be available that cures the problem. Stooging around in the ThinkPad support area web site, I came across some information (PCMCIA ATA devices) to the effect that the problem is that the CompactFlash cards run at 3.5 volts and the normal voltage provided by the PCMCIA slot is five volts. Nevertheless, they had a driver (IBMCSS01.VXD) that was supposed to cure this problem if installed in a Windows 95 setting. This information was in a page dated in 1997. After much further digging around in the web site, I have not been able to find the aforementioned driver. In any case, its use seemed to all wrapped up with the old IBM PC Card support stuff that was superceded when Windows 98 came along. Can anybody tell me whether or not I can actually use this PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash cards with my Windows 98 ThinkPad 770ED? If so, what driver(s) do I need and where do I acquire it? -- Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086 InterNet: robert@wildweasel.net http://www.wildweasel.net From cph Thu May 25 13:54:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA17022 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:54:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20602; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 13:53:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20527; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20514; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 13:53:15 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA23767; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <392D6884.7BD5C668@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:53:08 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: robert@wildweasel.net CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have done this many times with a CompactFlash card on a TP600 running Windows 98 and 2000. It worked just as you would hope: it appears as a little hard disk with its own drive letter. I don't recall what brand adaptor we used or if we had to use a special driver. I do know that I did not need a special driver for 2000. Now that I think about, I think a generic Windows driver is what showed up in Device Manager. I would poke around SanDisk's web pages to see if they have specific drivers. --Lee From cph Thu May 25 13:57:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA17056 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:57:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21050; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 13:57:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20959; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20867; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.200.11 -> mill.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 13:56:06 -0400 Received: from mill.cisco.com (mill.cisco.com [161.44.200.11]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id NAA06959; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:55:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: "Robert W. King" cc: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 25 May 2000, Robert W. King wrote: > Hi folks! > > I recently acquired a Kodak DC240 digital camera. I've been quite pleased [...] > Can anybody tell me whether or not I can actually use this PCMCIA adapter > for CompactFlash cards with my Windows 98 ThinkPad 770ED? If so, what > driver(s) do I need and where do I acquire it? I can't speak entirely authoratatively, but: - I have a DC280, with probably the same FLASH and PCMCIA adapter - I run Linux, not '98 However, "It Just Works". I also know that it works under 2000 on my friend's Toshiba. I rather doubt that '98 is actually lacking the functionality; it's probably just a matter of getting the right drivers, as you thought. I might go and poke around on dejanews.com and see if you get any hits from searching newsgroups. Lastly, as per some stuff I've seen on the Linux kernel mailing list (which I'm assuming extends to PCMCIA/Cardbus in gen'l, though I suppose I could be off-base) the voltages can differ, but the socket is capable of taking advantage of either, so long as it figures out which it is. You're not in risk of damaging anything if the voltage is wrong, as there's a regulator (or somesuch) on the 3.3 volt cards to keep 'em from getting fried at higher voltages. In other words, just keep plugging -- IMHO, it's probably just a driver issue, and once you find the right guy, you'll be happy as a clam. (And yes, it really does work pretty darn well, though FLASH cards are, shall we say, not exactly zippy.) -Ken From cph Thu May 25 14:09:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17220 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:09:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22195; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 14:08:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22116; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh02.softhouse.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22085; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh02.softhouse.com (198.110.248.4 -> sh02.softhouse.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 14:08:51 -0400 Received: from markspc (dialup127.softhouse.com [207.74.44.127]) by sh02.softhouse.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA01653 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:08:35 -0400 From: "Mark Andrew" To: Subject: 755CE win95 sound problems Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:07:39 -0400 Message-ID: <008f01bfc65b$36c88de0$0e2c4acf@markspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I have a 755CE that I've had since new. For a while now I've had sound problems with the kids' games. The sound breaks up, and sounds choppy. The 755CE has 24meg memory and is hooked up to a SCSI 6X external drive. The games used to work without the broken sound, but somewhere along the way the sound began to be choppy. The games are pretty standard old win 95 games. I have installed the "Mwave DSP Features Diskette v 2.25a for win 95/98" and the Mwave MIDI features MIDI samples for win95 v 2.30 Has anyone else experienced this problem and successfully fixed it? Here's some diagnostic info: Under Control Panel Multimedia Audio(TAB) Playback Mwave Wave Audio Driver MIDI(TAB) Single Instrument MIDI for IBM Mwave MidiSynth Device Advanced(TAB) Multimedia Drivers Audio Devices Audio for IBM Mwave WAVE Device Audio for KAVSND.DRV MIDI Devices and Instruments MIDI for IBM Mwave MidiSynth Device Audio Compression CODECs Microsoft IMA ADPCM CODEC Microsoft ADPCM CODEC Microsoft GSM 6.10 Audio CODEC Microsoft CCITT G.711 A-Law and u-Law CODEC DSP Group TrueSpeech(TM) Software CODEC Microsoft PCM Converter System Device Manager Sound Video and Game controllers IBM Mwave Audio Device IBM Mwave SoundBlaster Compatible Device Resources(TAB) I/O range 0220-0223 I/O range 0388-038B IRQ 05 DMA 01 (automatic settings) Under Thinkpad Setup DSP Mwave DSP DSP Device Enabled I/O Address 4E30h IRQ 10 DMA 7 Thanks, Mark http://users.softhouse.com/andrew From cph Thu May 25 14:10:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17244 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:10:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22394; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 14:09:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22300; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22285; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 14:09:54 -0400 Received: from uniblab (uniblab [146.88.9.146]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA02760; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:09:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <006601bfc674$4737abc0$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: , "ThinkPad List" References: Subject: Re: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:08:48 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: How you think it should work is correct. They should show up as hard drive icons in My Computer. If the icon is not showing up, and if this is applicable to 770ED's (I have a 600X), use the ThinkPad Configuration utility and disable "warm swap devices" in the device bay section. Then try reinstalling the card in the slot and see what happens. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert W. King" To: "ThinkPad List" Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:45 Subject: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory > Hi folks! > > I recently acquired a Kodak DC240 digital camera. I've been quite pleased > with it. However, I have come up with a question that I can't seem to answer > that relates to ThinkPad PCMCIA usage. The camera normally uses a USB or > serial port cable to interface with the laptop (or any other PC). However, > the camera uses CompactFlash 'digital film' memory cards to record its > images. I have acquired a SanDisk CompactFlash PC card adapter into which > you plug the memory card and then plug it into the laptop's PCMCIA card > slot. The card is recognized by Windows 98 running on my 770ED and the > IDE/ESDI driver is installed for it. I fully expected that I would then be > able to access the card as a very small (8 megabyte) HD device. My principal > reason for bothering was the possibility of being able to leave the cable at > home. > > However, all is not well. The Control Panel/System information reports that > the device is not functioning properly and recommends I update the driver. > No new driver seems to be available that cures the problem. > > Stooging around in the ThinkPad support area web site, I came across some > information (PCMCIA ATA devices) to the effect that the problem is that the > CompactFlash cards run at 3.5 volts and the normal voltage provided by the > PCMCIA slot is five volts. Nevertheless, they had a driver (IBMCSS01.VXD) > that was supposed to cure this problem if installed in a Windows 95 setting. > This information was in a page dated in 1997. After much further digging > around in the web site, I have not been able to find the aforementioned > driver. In any case, its use seemed to all wrapped up with the old IBM PC > Card support stuff that was superceded when Windows 98 came along. > > Can anybody tell me whether or not I can actually use this PCMCIA adapter > for CompactFlash cards with my Windows 98 ThinkPad 770ED? If so, what > driver(s) do I need and where do I acquire it? > > -- > Robert W. King > I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! > SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 > BellNet: 501-634-2086 > InterNet: robert@wildweasel.net > http://www.wildweasel.net > > From cph Thu May 25 14:11:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17252 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:11:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22625; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 14:10:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22534; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:10:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22511; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 14:10:47 -0400 Received: by porkchop.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 25 May 2000 13:15:00 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'Charles J Schultz SR'" , "Thinkpad@Cs. Utk. Edu" Subject: RE: Second drive for 770Z Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 13:14:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFC675.238C3E10" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFC675.238C3E10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" What you are needing is the tray/enclosure for the bare drive. Bill Morrow sells these and they are fairly inexpensive. Bill? Greg -----Original Message----- From: Charles J Schultz SR [mailto:cjssr@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:57 AM To: Thinkpad@Cs. Utk. Edu Subject: Second drive for 770Z Hi I am wanting to install a second hard drive in my 770Z. I purchased the ultra bay second hard drive adapter and was wondering if I could get a adapter to use the IBM 25 gig drive in this unit. I priced a 14.1 drive which is apparently a drop-in but its 1100.00 from IBM. I can purchase the 25 gig IBM drive for around 550.00. Any help or ideas on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Chuck ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFC675.238C3E10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Second drive for 770Z

What you are needing is the tray/enclosure for the = bare drive. Bill Morrow sells these and they are fairly inexpensive. = Bill?

Greg

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From: Charles J Schultz SR [mailto:cjssr@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:57 AM
To: Thinkpad@Cs. Utk. Edu
Subject: Second drive for 770Z


Hi

I am wanting to install a second hard drive in my = 770Z. I purchased the
ultra bay second hard drive adapter and was = wondering if I could get a
adapter to use the IBM 25 gig drive in this unit. I = priced a 14.1 drive
which is apparently a drop-in but its 1100.00 from = IBM. I can purchase the
25 gig IBM drive for around 550.00. Any help or = ideas on this would be
greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Chuck

------_=_NextPart_001_01BFC675.238C3E10-- From cph Thu May 25 14:16:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17300 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:16:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23204; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:16:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 14:15:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23103; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23090; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 14:15:53 -0400 Received: from uniblab (uniblab [146.88.9.146]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA03149; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:15:40 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <006f01bfc675$275f6620$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: "Ken D'Ambrosio" , "Robert W. King" Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: Subject: Re: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:15:04 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: > However, "It Just Works". I also know that it works under 2000 on my > friend's Toshiba. I rather doubt that '98 is actually lacking the > functionality; it's probably just a matter of getting the right drivers, > as you thought. It just worked on my old Toshiba too, but I had to disable the warm swapping stuff for the device bay to get it to work on this 600X/Win98SE. I don't know what they have to do with each other. > the > voltages can differ, but the socket is capable of taking advantage of > either, so long as it figures out which it is. You're not in risk of > damaging anything if the voltage is wrong, as there's a regulator (or > somesuch) on the 3.3 volt cards to keep 'em from getting fried at higher > voltages. I think I heard that it has something to do with pin lengths too. But either way I think everything it covered...especially all of our butts. :-) > In other words, just keep plugging -- IMHO, it's probably just a driver > issue, and once you find the right guy, you'll be happy as a clam. (And > yes, it really does work pretty darn well, though FLASH cards are, shall > we say, not exactly zippy.) Ditto. Bob From cph Thu May 25 14:24:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17404 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:24:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24146; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 14:23:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24043; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:23:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web111.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23987; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web111.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.81 -> web111.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 14:23:23 -0400 Received: (qmail 5410 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2000 18:23:12 -0000 Message-ID: <20000525182312.5409.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.225.68] by web111.yahoomail.com; Thu, 25 May 2000 11:23:12 PDT Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 11:23:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory To: robert@wildweasel.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I've been wondering about that myself. Didn't the Sandisk CompactFlash PC card adapter come with any drivers? It seems to me that Sandisk would have to supply the drivers to make it work or it would be worthless. Have you tried contacting them to see if any are available? --- "Robert W. King" wrote: > Hi folks! > > I recently acquired a Kodak DC240 digital camera. > I've been quite pleased > with it. However, I have come up with a question > that I can't seem to answer > that relates to ThinkPad PCMCIA usage. The camera > normally uses a USB or > serial port cable to interface with the laptop (or > any other PC). However, > the camera uses CompactFlash 'digital film' memory > cards to record its > images. I have acquired a SanDisk CompactFlash PC > card adapter into which > you plug the memory card and then plug it into the > laptop's PCMCIA card > slot. The card is recognized by Windows 98 running > on my 770ED and the > IDE/ESDI driver is installed for it. I fully > expected that I would then be > able to access the card as a very small (8 megabyte) > HD device. My principal > reason for bothering was the possibility of being > able to leave the cable at > home. > > However, all is not well. The Control Panel/System > information reports that > the device is not functioning properly and > recommends I update the driver. > No new driver seems to be available that cures the > problem. > > Stooging around in the ThinkPad support area web > site, I came across some > information (PCMCIA ATA devices) to the effect that > the problem is that the > CompactFlash cards run at 3.5 volts and the normal > voltage provided by the > PCMCIA slot is five volts. Nevertheless, they had a > driver (IBMCSS01.VXD) > that was supposed to cure this problem if installed > in a Windows 95 setting. > This information was in a page dated in 1997. After > much further digging > around in the web site, I have not been able to find > the aforementioned > driver. In any case, its use seemed to all wrapped > up with the old IBM PC > Card support stuff that was superceded when Windows > 98 came along. > > Can anybody tell me whether or not I can actually > use this PCMCIA adapter > for CompactFlash cards with my Windows 98 ThinkPad > 770ED? If so, what > driver(s) do I need and where do I acquire it? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu May 25 14:59:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17799 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:59:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27413; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 14:55:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27195; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27174; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 14:55:01 -0400 Received: from uniblab (uniblab [146.88.9.146]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA06069; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:54:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00a501bfc67a$88ccdbe0$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: "Steve C." , Cc: References: <20000525182312.5409.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:53:36 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: The adapters for CF cards are really just connectors. There's no electronics in them. They just map the pins from the x number of pins in PCMCIA to the y number of pins on CF cards (I can't remember how many pins there are...and besides, I can't count that high anyway :-). Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve C." To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:23 Subject: Re: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory > I've been wondering about that myself. > Didn't the Sandisk CompactFlash PC card adapter > come with any drivers? It seems to me that Sandisk > would have to supply the drivers to make it work or it > would be worthless. Have you tried contacting them to > see if any are available? > > --- "Robert W. King" wrote: > > Hi folks! > > > > I recently acquired a Kodak DC240 digital camera. > > I've been quite pleased > > with it. However, I have come up with a question > > that I can't seem to answer > > that relates to ThinkPad PCMCIA usage. The camera > > normally uses a USB or > > serial port cable to interface with the laptop (or > > any other PC). However, > > the camera uses CompactFlash 'digital film' memory > > cards to record its > > images. I have acquired a SanDisk CompactFlash PC > > card adapter into which > > you plug the memory card and then plug it into the > > laptop's PCMCIA card > > slot. The card is recognized by Windows 98 running > > on my 770ED and the > > IDE/ESDI driver is installed for it. I fully > > expected that I would then be > > able to access the card as a very small (8 megabyte) > > HD device. My principal > > reason for bothering was the possibility of being > > able to leave the cable at > > home. > > > > However, all is not well. The Control Panel/System > > information reports that > > the device is not functioning properly and > > recommends I update the driver. > > No new driver seems to be available that cures the > > problem. > > > > Stooging around in the ThinkPad support area web > > site, I came across some > > information (PCMCIA ATA devices) to the effect that > > the problem is that the > > CompactFlash cards run at 3.5 volts and the normal > > voltage provided by the > > PCMCIA slot is five volts. Nevertheless, they had a > > driver (IBMCSS01.VXD) > > that was supposed to cure this problem if installed > > in a Windows 95 setting. > > This information was in a page dated in 1997. After > > much further digging > > around in the web site, I have not been able to find > > the aforementioned > > driver. In any case, its use seemed to all wrapped > > up with the old IBM PC > > Card support stuff that was superceded when Windows > > 98 came along. > > > > Can anybody tell me whether or not I can actually > > use this PCMCIA adapter > > for CompactFlash cards with my Windows 98 ThinkPad > > 770ED? If so, what > > driver(s) do I need and where do I acquire it? > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > From cph Thu May 25 15:29:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA18109 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:29:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00099; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 15:26:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29930; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.psnet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29916; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.psnet.net (216.98.165.1 -> psnet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 15:26:53 -0400 Received: from MYCROFT ([216.98.165.92]) by ns1.psnet.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id LS41GL89; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:10:46 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Robert W. King" To: "Bob Greschke" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:26:16 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <006601bfc674$4737abc0$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi Folks! I must have struck a nerve. I can't recall seeing so many replies so quickly on a subject in this mailing list before. For what its worth - Bob's reply below was right on the money. Disabling 'warm swap devices' and rebooting (you have to anyway) brought the system up with the card accessed and readable. I'm still not sure why enabling/disabling UltraBay warm swapping has anything to do with PC Card devices, but apparently it does. -- Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086 InterNet: robert@wildweasel.net http://www.wildweasel.net -----Original Message----- From: Bob Greschke [mailto:bob@greschke.com] Sent: Thursday, 25 May 2000 12:09 To: robert@wildweasel.net; ThinkPad List Subject: Re: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory How you think it should work is correct. They should show up as hard drive icons in My Computer. If the icon is not showing up, and if this is applicable to 770ED's (I have a 600X), use the ThinkPad Configuration utility and disable "warm swap devices" in the device bay section. Then try reinstalling the card in the slot and see what happens. Bob From cph Thu May 25 15:30:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA18121 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:30:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00102; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 15:26:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29973; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.psnet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29944; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.psnet.net (216.98.165.1 -> psnet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 15:26:56 -0400 Received: from MYCROFT ([216.98.165.92]) by ns1.psnet.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id LS41GL9A; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:10:48 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Robert W. King" To: "Steve C." Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:26:19 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <20000525182312.5409.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi Steve! Nope, the SanDisk adapter came in little plastic bag all by itself - no software, no poop sheet, nothing. When I got on their site, they had drivers for their USB, parallel port interfaces but nothing for the PC Card interface. -- Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086 InterNet: robert@wildweasel.net http://www.wildweasel.net -----Original Message----- From: Steve C. [mailto:stevec50@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, 25 May 2000 12:23 To: robert@wildweasel.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory I've been wondering about that myself. Didn't the Sandisk CompactFlash PC card adapter come with any drivers? It seems to me that Sandisk would have to supply the drivers to make it work or it would be worthless. Have you tried contacting them to see if any are available? From cph Thu May 25 16:00:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18455 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:00:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03018; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 15:58:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02866; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:58:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02853; Thu, 25 May 2000 15:58:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 15:58:42 -0400 Received: from ricochet.net (ricochet-1.cisco.com [171.68.11.193]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA20501; Thu, 25 May 2000 12:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <392D85E1.93388D2D@ricochet.net> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:58:25 -0700 From: Andrew Scott Beals X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Greschke CC: robert@wildweasel.net, ThinkPad List Subject: Re: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory References: <006601bfc674$4737abc0$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Is this to make it work in slot 1? I have seen problems with a ATA flash card where it won't work in slot 1 [bottom slot] most all of the time, but will work all of the time in slot 2 on my 770ed. I've also seen flakiness with 105Mb type 3 disks, perhaps it's related -- can't slap 'em in slot 2 after all.. thanks andy Bob Greschke wrote: > How you think it should work is correct. They should show up as hard drive > icons in My Computer. If the icon is not showing up, and if this is > applicable to 770ED's (I have a 600X), use the ThinkPad Configuration > utility and disable "warm swap devices" in the device bay section. Then try > reinstalling the card in the slot and see what happens. > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert W. King" > To: "ThinkPad List" > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:45 > Subject: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory > > > Hi folks! > > > > I recently acquired a Kodak DC240 digital camera. I've been quite pleased > > with it. However, I have come up with a question that I can't seem to > answer > > that relates to ThinkPad PCMCIA usage. The camera normally uses a USB or > > serial port cable to interface with the laptop (or any other PC). However, > > the camera uses CompactFlash 'digital film' memory cards to record its > > images. I have acquired a SanDisk CompactFlash PC card adapter into which > > you plug the memory card and then plug it into the laptop's PCMCIA card > > slot. The card is recognized by Windows 98 running on my 770ED and the > > IDE/ESDI driver is installed for it. I fully expected that I would then be > > able to access the card as a very small (8 megabyte) HD device. My > principal > > reason for bothering was the possibility of being able to leave the cable > at > > home. > > > > However, all is not well. The Control Panel/System information reports > that > > the device is not functioning properly and recommends I update the driver. > > No new driver seems to be available that cures the problem. > > > > Stooging around in the ThinkPad support area web site, I came across some > > information (PCMCIA ATA devices) to the effect that the problem is that > the > > CompactFlash cards run at 3.5 volts and the normal voltage provided by the > > PCMCIA slot is five volts. Nevertheless, they had a driver (IBMCSS01.VXD) > > that was supposed to cure this problem if installed in a Windows 95 > setting. > > This information was in a page dated in 1997. After much further digging > > around in the web site, I have not been able to find the aforementioned > > driver. In any case, its use seemed to all wrapped up with the old IBM PC > > Card support stuff that was superceded when Windows 98 came along. > > > > Can anybody tell me whether or not I can actually use this PCMCIA adapter > > for CompactFlash cards with my Windows 98 ThinkPad 770ED? If so, what > > driver(s) do I need and where do I acquire it? > > > > -- > > Robert W. King > > I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! > > SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 > > BellNet: 501-634-2086 > > InterNet: robert@wildweasel.net > > http://www.wildweasel.net > > > > From cph Thu May 25 16:16:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18608 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:16:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04525; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 16:15:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04414; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hol.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA04401; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hol.gr (194.30.192.21 -> mail.hol.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 16:15:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 18227 invoked from network); 25 May 2000 20:14:55 -0000 Received: from vdp084.ath05.cas.hol.gr (HELO wald5) (195.97.67.85) by mail.hol.gr with SMTP; 25 May 2000 20:14:55 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: "Charles J Schultz SR" , "Thinkpad@Cs. Utk. Edu" Subject: RE: Second drive for 770Z Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:15:08 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Talk to Bill Morrow. I got a 14gb drive from him some time ago for much less. I think the 25gb drives are hard to come by. -----Original Message----- From: Charles J Schultz SR [mailto:cjssr@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:57 PM To: Thinkpad@Cs. Utk. Edu Subject: Second drive for 770Z Hi I am wanting to install a second hard drive in my 770Z. I purchased the ultra bay second hard drive adapter and was wondering if I could get a adapter to use the IBM 25 gig drive in this unit. I priced a 14.1 drive which is apparently a drop-in but its 1100.00 from IBM. I can purchase the 25 gig IBM drive for around 550.00. Any help or ideas on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Chuck From cph Thu May 25 16:24:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18657 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:24:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05299; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 16:22:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05190; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05177; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 16:22:11 -0400 Received: from uniblab (uniblab [146.88.9.146]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA13120; Thu, 25 May 2000 14:22:03 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00d301bfc686$cef14960$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: "Andrew Scott Beals" Cc: , "ThinkPad List" References: <006601bfc674$4737abc0$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> <392D85E1.93388D2D@ricochet.net> Subject: Re: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 14:21:27 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Mine works in both on my 600X, but I think I've heard something about them only working in one slot or another on different machines in the digital camera newsgroup. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Scott Beals" To: "Bob Greschke" Cc: ; "ThinkPad List" Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 13:58 Subject: Re: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory > Is this to make it work in slot 1? I have seen problems with a ATA flash card > where it won't work in slot 1 [bottom slot] most all of the time, but will work > all of the time in slot 2 on my 770ed. > > I've also seen flakiness with 105Mb type 3 disks, perhaps it's related -- can't > slap 'em in slot 2 after all.. > > thanks > andy > > > Bob Greschke wrote: > > > How you think it should work is correct. They should show up as hard drive > > icons in My Computer. If the icon is not showing up, and if this is > > applicable to 770ED's (I have a 600X), use the ThinkPad Configuration > > utility and disable "warm swap devices" in the device bay section. Then try > > reinstalling the card in the slot and see what happens. > > > > Bob > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Robert W. King" > > To: "ThinkPad List" > > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 12:45 > > Subject: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory > > > > > Hi folks! > > > > > > I recently acquired a Kodak DC240 digital camera. I've been quite pleased > > > with it. However, I have come up with a question that I can't seem to > > answer > > > that relates to ThinkPad PCMCIA usage. The camera normally uses a USB or > > > serial port cable to interface with the laptop (or any other PC). However, > > > the camera uses CompactFlash 'digital film' memory cards to record its > > > images. I have acquired a SanDisk CompactFlash PC card adapter into which > > > you plug the memory card and then plug it into the laptop's PCMCIA card > > > slot. The card is recognized by Windows 98 running on my 770ED and the > > > IDE/ESDI driver is installed for it. I fully expected that I would then be > > > able to access the card as a very small (8 megabyte) HD device. My > > principal > > > reason for bothering was the possibility of being able to leave the cable > > at > > > home. > > > > > > However, all is not well. The Control Panel/System information reports > > that > > > the device is not functioning properly and recommends I update the driver. > > > No new driver seems to be available that cures the problem. > > > > > > Stooging around in the ThinkPad support area web site, I came across some > > > information (PCMCIA ATA devices) to the effect that the problem is that > > the > > > CompactFlash cards run at 3.5 volts and the normal voltage provided by the > > > PCMCIA slot is five volts. Nevertheless, they had a driver (IBMCSS01.VXD) > > > that was supposed to cure this problem if installed in a Windows 95 > > setting. > > > This information was in a page dated in 1997. After much further digging > > > around in the web site, I have not been able to find the aforementioned > > > driver. In any case, its use seemed to all wrapped up with the old IBM PC > > > Card support stuff that was superceded when Windows 98 came along. > > > > > > Can anybody tell me whether or not I can actually use this PCMCIA adapter > > > for CompactFlash cards with my Windows 98 ThinkPad 770ED? If so, what > > > driver(s) do I need and where do I acquire it? > > > > > > -- > > > Robert W. King > > > I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! > > > SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 > > > BellNet: 501-634-2086 > > > InterNet: robert@wildweasel.net > > > http://www.wildweasel.net > > > > > > > > From cph Thu May 25 16:57:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18930 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:57:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07827; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 16:56:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07749; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw3.njit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07736; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw3.njit.edu (128.235.251.11 -> mail-gw3.njit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 16:56:23 -0400 Received: from homer.njit.edu (homer.njit.edu [128.235.35.70]) by mail-gw3.njit.edu (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e4PKuMr23930 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:56:22 -0400 Received: from random.njit.edu (random [128.235.35.107]) by homer.njit.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA13645 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (marvin@localhost) by random.njit.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA20304 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:54:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Marvin Nakayama To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: off-topic: outlook express (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to all who responded, especially David Taylor, for his detailed (or is it "detayled"?) explanation. I was able to recover my old Inbox and Sent Mail. However, I wasn't able to get back my address book, but that wasn't so bad since I could reconstruct it fairly easily >from my Inbox and Sent Mail. Marvin ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 09:21:37 -0700 From: David W. Taylor To: Marvin Nakayama , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: off-topic: outlook express Marvin, This is tricky. The files are stored in a standard place by user. I use Windows 2000 Professional, so mine are in: C:\Documents and Settings\David Taylor\Local Settings\Application Data\Identities\{41811C3E-7A55-41DA-??????????}\Microsoft\Outlook Express (??? inserted for paranoia) The files that you are looking for are of type *.DBX The trick is that you have to turn on viewing of Hidden and System files in the Windows Explorer. These files are all invisible otherwise. Under Win98SE (why oh why are you hurting yourself?? Hint, switch to W2K!) you will probably find them somewhere slightly different. The good news is that once you have copied them to your hard drive from your backup, you can actually store them anywhere. The path is set within OE under Tools | Options | Maintenance | Store Folder. Next you need the address book, which for me is: C:\Documents and Settings\David Taylor\Application Data\Microsoft\Address Book\David Taylor.wab. Finally you need your Rules. This is hard. The rules are stored in registry under [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Identities\{41811C3E-7A55-41DA-??????????}\Software\Micro soft\Outlook Express\5.0\Rules\Mail] (??? more paranoia) You have lost your rules this time, because you did not use RegEdit to dump this key before you blew away your drive. The Registry is stored in a file called System.dat (I think.), but there is no easy way that I know of to open that now. Some other guru may know that. (Mike Geary, feel free to pipe up!) Aren't you glad you asked? David -- David Taylor, Detayls ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marvin Nakayama" To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 8:53 AM Subject: off-topic: outlook express > Sorry, this is post is a bit off topic, but I can't > figure out how to solve my problem. I had to re-install > Win98SE on my Thinkpad 770 (so this post has something > to do with thinkpads :) ). > Before I did the reinstall, I copied my entire C: partition > to my D: partition and then reformatted my C: drive. After > the re-install of Win98, I now want to set up Outlook Express 5 > so that it's just like before, i.e., I want all of my > old e-mails, newsgroups, address book, etc. > I assume that all of this information is somewhere > in my backed-up C: drive, but I can't find it. > Does anyone know how I can do this? > Thanks a lot. > > Marvin > > From cph Thu May 25 17:11:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA19062 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:11:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08755; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 17:06:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08548; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:06:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08520; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:06:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 17:06:41 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax16.vramp.net [198.138.8.79]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA30772; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:05:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Dominique Pivard" , Subject: RE: TP600E: UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 17:12:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200005251431.RAA15092@mail.clinet.fi> List-Unsubscribe: Bonjour Dominique, You must have a used drive that is password protected. I have the same setup as you and have no problems swapping my extra drives in the adapter. However, when I put in the drive from my wife's or daughter's machines (which are password protected) I am prompted for the password for the drive before the machine will finish booting, and regardless of whether the drive is the master or the slave. HTH, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Dominique Pivard [mailto:domi@kenavo.fi] > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 9:13 AM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: TP600E: UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter > > > I'm trying to use an UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter with my TP600E. I > installed a TravelStar 5GS (DADA-25120) into the adapter, but when I > insert the whole thing into the TP600E and boot, I'm asked for a password > (although my system isn't using any password). > > I thought this maybe because the system views the 2nd drive as master, but > I can't figure out how to configure it as slave: if one puts a jumper on > the interface connector, the drive won't fit into the UltraSlimBay > adapter. Anyway, IBM has probably designed the system so that the original > drive is master and the drive in the UltraSlimBay adapter is slave. > > I do have the latest BIOS applied. Any other suggestions? > > Thanks, Dominique > From cph Thu May 25 17:41:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA19347 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:41:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10835; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 17:40:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10761; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:40:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.psnet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10748; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.psnet.net (216.98.165.1 -> psnet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 17:40:13 -0400 Received: from mycroft (216.98.165.92 [216.98.165.92]) by ns1.psnet.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id LS41GMG4; Thu, 25 May 2000 16:21:41 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Robert W. King" To: "Andrew Scott Beals" , "Bob Greschke" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 16:37:12 -0600 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 In-Reply-To: <392D85E1.93388D2D@ricochet.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hi guys! Well, a quick experiment seems to indicate that for my ThinkPad 770ED, the choice of slot is a 'don't care.' I just swapped the CompactFlash card and my Xircom LAN card to the opposite slots, rebooted and everything worked without any commentary upon completion of the boot up. I'm not saying that in other machines and other places this will be true. But in my case it was. -- Robert W. King I'm an ingenieur, NOT a bloody locomotive driver! SnailNet: 19023 TV Tower Rd, Winslow, Arkansas 72959 BellNet: 501-634-2086 InterNet: robert@wildweasel.net http://www.wildweasel.net -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Scott Beals [mailto:bandy@ricochet.net] Sent: Thursday, 25 May 2000 13:58 To: Bob Greschke Cc: robert@wildweasel.net; ThinkPad List Subject: Re: PCMCIA adapter for CompactFlash memory Is this to make it work in slot 1? I have seen problems with a ATA flash card where it won't work in slot 1 [bottom slot] most all of the time, but will work all of the time in slot 2 on my 770ed. I've also seen flakiness with 105Mb type 3 disks, perhaps it's related -- can't slap 'em in slot 2 after all.. thanks andy From cph Thu May 25 18:00:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA19500 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:00:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12120; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 17:59:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12045; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:59:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12032; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 17:59:29 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax16.vramp.net [198.138.8.79]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA33506; Thu, 25 May 2000 17:58:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Mitchell Leben" Cc: Subject: RE: [T20] Where/How to fax? Win98SE Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 18:05:16 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Mitch, I apologize for thinking you were running W2K. Please write my brain-fart off to the fact that I was trying to catch up on several days worth of messages last night while very fatiqued after a 5 hour drive from RI home to NJ. I've always used Winfax Pro on my W98 machines. There's a Fax component on the W98 CD under Windows Messaging that isn't apparent on the W98SE CD. Try the work-around that Chuck mentioned. It certainly appears that it would work and I'm going to try it on one of my W98SE machines. Don't know why your LCD keeps "waking up". Perhaps the disk burning operation is refreshing it? Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Mitchell Leben [mailto:mitch@leben.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 11:17 AM > To: James H. E. Maugham > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: [T20] Where/How to fax? Win98SE > > > > Hi James, > > I am using Win98SE, and it seems there is no built in fax support. There > is a fax portion of Windows Messanging Services called AFW or some such > that I used to install to fix the fax driver on my old machine. Too busy > to even turn on the T20 today, so I'll try it later. I am surprised though > that IBM ships the T20 with no fax support (that I can find). > > When I try it out I'll post the results. > > Aside - Last night I started a CD burning with Adaptec CD Creator before > going to bed. Once I saw it start I hit Fn-F3 to blank the screen. After a > few seconds it popped back up. I played this game for a while and gave up. > > Any ideas on why the screen would not stay blanked? No other programs were > running. > > > > On Thu, 25 May 2000, James H. E. Maugham wrote: > > > Mitch, > > > > First, let me say how envious I am of your new T20. I hope it continues to > > serve you well and you keep us all informed as you test drive it. > > > > W2K automatically loads the Fax driver elements when first installed, > > provided it finds a suitable fax/modem device. > > > > The W2K Help file has the following to say about faxing: > From cph Thu May 25 18:38:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA19819 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:38:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14084; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 18:37:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13976; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13963; Thu, 25 May 2000 18:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.37 -> hnlmail3.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 18:37:13 -0400 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.229.156]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Thu, 25 May 2000 12:37:09 -1000 Message-ID: <000f01bfc699$ef76cee0$9ce51918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: Subject: Inacom service day 1 Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 12:38:22 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: --Well I did it. I sent my two Thinkpad 701C's in to have their mainboards swapped. The tests were conclusive. Swapping RAM, Hard drives and differing OS's made no difference. My perfect screen system always choked on any OS. My older 701 had a dead screen but ran win98 like a pentium machine. BIOS was updated on both machines. I took them into Inacom. I've heard some bad things about them in the past but corporate techies have been telling me they're scrambling now to improve their image. They promised me the job would be done by Wednesday. If it isn't I'm gonna run out and buy a new i-series locally. Man Inacom is the ONLY IBM qualified service department in Hawaii. All I would need to take the darn thing apart is a Torx T-1 screwdrive. No shop on this island has that either. I hate living on an island sometimes. The cost will be $135. If it turns out they can't do it, I'll offer to sell them on this list which would include the two butterflies, two dock II's and two dock II adapters before I offer them on Ebay. This will be my last attempt to save the little butterflys. Anyone know of any good deals for I-series machines? I'm looking at spending a little more than a grand. Looking for active matrix screen and a celeron processor is OK. Thanks one and all for all of your help. --Keith Keith Wong Chief Systems Engineer Omega Tech Consulting Home: (808) 949-0345 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu From cph Thu May 25 19:43:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA20227 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:43:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16750; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 19:41:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16598; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16588; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:41:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.6 -> imo16.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 19:41:44 -0400 Received: from Bmwm61@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.9.) id o.c9.52adba2 (3848) for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:41:39 EDT Subject: 730T Batteries To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 102 List-Unsubscribe: Update on 730T batteries: the batteries in each pack are called "4/5A" and are 17mm in diameter and 43mm long. I'm still looking for sources. Jim (one more problem to solve) From cph Thu May 25 19:51:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA20282 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:51:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17392; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:50:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 19:50:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17319; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17306; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.103 -> pilot003.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 19:50:46 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (symposium.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.43]) by pilot003.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA90258 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 19:50:44 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000525194953.00ddfac0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:50:54 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 730T Batteries In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Not sure how good these prices are, but you should take a look at http://www2.towerhobbies.com/listings/listbatt.html. They at least have them. Good luck in this. I hope you post your final results here. --STeve Andre' At 07:41 PM 5/25/00 -0400, Bmwm61@aol.com wrote: >Update on 730T batteries: the batteries in each pack are called "4/5A" and >are 17mm in diameter and 43mm long. I'm still looking for sources. >Jim (one more problem to solve) From cph Thu May 25 20:40:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA20626 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 20:40:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19528; Thu, 25 May 2000 20:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 20:38:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19400; Thu, 25 May 2000 20:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c000.sfo.cp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19380; Thu, 25 May 2000 20:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c000.sfo.cp.net (209.228.14.61 -> c000-h000.c000.sfo.cp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 20:38:53 -0400 Received: (cpmta 7454 invoked from network); 25 May 2000 17:38:51 -0700 Received: from slip-32-100-63-45.oh.us.prserv.net (HELO rchalkbcd) (32.100.63.45) by smtp.worldspy.net with SMTP; 25 May 2000 17:38:51 -0700 X-Sent: 26 May 2000 00:38:51 GMT Message-ID: <000201bfc6aa$c48edc20$2d3f6420@rchalkbcd> From: "Richard Chalk" To: , References: Subject: Re: 730T Batteries Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 20:37:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: go to: http://www.batteriesamerica.com/newpage3.htm Regards, Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2000 7:41 PM Subject: 730T Batteries > Update on 730T batteries: the batteries in each pack are called "4/5A" and > are 17mm in diameter and 43mm long. I'm still looking for sources. > Jim (one more problem to solve) > From cph Thu May 25 22:35:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA21283 for ; Thu, 25 May 2000 22:35:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24831; Thu, 25 May 2000 22:33:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 25 May 2000 22:31:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24622; Thu, 25 May 2000 22:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24609; Thu, 25 May 2000 22:31:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 25 May 2000 22:31:55 -0400 Received: from default ([12.72.102.38]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000526023153.JLWF1605.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@default> for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 02:31:53 +0000 Message-ID: <392DB6E7.6510@att.net> Date: Thu, 25 May 2000 19:27:35 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600x zip drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone have an idea as to why my UltraSlim Bay Zip drive doesnt sit all the way into the bay? It fits in (tightly), but it wont lock into place because it gets fully seated before the lock drops... it works and its not in danger of falling out, but it should lock... I got one of these that are being sold as "reconditioned" although I'm guessing with all of them popping up on Ebay now that they might be grey market or something... the part number is 37L1506 and I notice that the current IBM part number for this is 37L1507... are there minor differences in these drives that would make one fit all the way into the bay and not the other? From cph Fri May 26 07:21:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA22932 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:21:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22283; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 26 May 2000 07:19:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22085; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22072; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (147.160.207.10 -> tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 26 May 2000 07:19:31 -0400 Received: from mwl [10.1.2.71] by tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (SMTPD32-6.00) id ACC9EF0140; Fri, 26 May 2000 07:15:21 -0400 Message-ID: <051a01bfc71d$29fa1ee0$4702010a@blwd.k12.pa.us> From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: "ThinkPad" Subject: 755CD/CE needs a new lcd Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 07:17:46 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I was wondering if anyone had a cheap parts machine 755CD or CE. I let my girlfriend take mine to her place of work and "somebody" knocked it off the desk. It still functions except for the broken TFT LCD. (I can't believe that part of the screen partially works. It looks so cool except for the fact that it is MINE!) If anyone can help out please let me know. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Progress is man's ability to complicate simplicity Mike Lingenfelter Bellwood-Antis School District Science Department Chairperson work # 814-742-2280 x-4209 home# 814-941-0141 personal email mlingen@attglobal.net personal web http://pws.prserv.net/usinet.mlingen/usinet.mlingen From cph Fri May 26 13:02:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA24796 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 13:02:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15965; Fri, 26 May 2000 13:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 26 May 2000 13:00:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15851; Fri, 26 May 2000 13:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15838; Fri, 26 May 2000 13:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 26 May 2000 13:00:35 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p11.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.104]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA21751; Fri, 26 May 2000 09:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005261659.JAA21751@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Edwin A Camin" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 09:59:43 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Atomtime.exe !!!!!! List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 15 May 2000 11:19:38 -0400, Edwin A Camin wrote: >Sorry. I didn't think it went. So stupidly I sent it again. > The bottom line is on a mailing list, you: A) Don't send large attachments, or preferably any attachments B) Especially not twice From cph Fri May 26 15:03:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA25751 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 15:03:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26305; Fri, 26 May 2000 15:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 26 May 2000 15:00:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26082; Fri, 26 May 2000 15:00:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26069; Fri, 26 May 2000 15:00:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 26 May 2000 15:00:46 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id PAA11781; Fri, 26 May 2000 15:00:44 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id PAA18595; Fri, 26 May 2000 15:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000526115716.00c7ade0@pop3.iceka1.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com@pop3.iceka1.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 12:00:39 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: T20--a bit more commentary... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: As I make further use of this T20 for another day, another thing made me think to come back and make further commentary... The sound on the T20, compared to that of the TP600, is really much better! OK, its still relatively "tinny" compared to a good stereo system (what can you expect?), but nevertheless, I realized today when I went to a web site that plays some music in the background--and its one that I check with some regularity (and frankly, the music bugs the hell out of me), so I'm familiar with the tunes it plays...it sounded *dramatically* better on the T20 vs. what I've been accustomed to hearing on the TP600 for the last couple years! Clearer--more distinct. Really an improvement. For what its worth... - Randy Whittle From cph Fri May 26 15:45:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA26050 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 15:45:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29829; Fri, 26 May 2000 15:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 26 May 2000 15:44:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29754; Fri, 26 May 2000 15:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29740; Fri, 26 May 2000 15:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 26 May 2000 15:43:59 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.135.40]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000526194356.DJEC6885.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 19:43:56 +0000 Message-ID: <002201bfc74a$2f632fc0$28874a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Re: 730T Batteries Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 14:39:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. The cells in the 730t battery pack are indeed called 4/5 A. I have rebuilt several, the easy way to get the pack open, use an "exacto" knife, score the edges, this is to say, go over and over again, the seams. This will thin the plastic, soon you will be able to pull the pack in 2 parts, without prying, you will have no major surface damage this way. You will find the cells are connected to the one half in series. You will also find a thermister, little silver thing with 2 wires. make a note of all of the wires and how they route in the case. Because the cells that were in the case from the factory were spot welded, the cells have no "tabs", your replacements most likely will, this means you might need to whittle away some plastic, but be careful, you only want to remove a small amount. One easy way to get the cells to stay in position is with hot glue, this allows the cells position to be adjusted so they fit the case and will allow one to solder them together without excess movement. The rebuilt packs I have done give good service, and shopping for surplus cells will allow for some bargains to be had. As always. have fun. From cph Fri May 26 16:06:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA26212 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 16:06:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01785; Fri, 26 May 2000 16:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 26 May 2000 16:05:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01666; Fri, 26 May 2000 16:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01652; Fri, 26 May 2000 16:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 26 May 2000 16:05:05 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA14544 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 13:05:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <392ED898.10D903C0@stanford.edu> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 13:03:36 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 730T Batteries References: <002201bfc74a$2f632fc0$28874a0c@701c> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: rudolph wratten wrote: > Because the cells that were in the case from the factory were > spot welded, the cells have no "tabs", your replacements most > likely will, this means you might need to whittle away some > plastic, but be careful, you only want to remove a small amount. Batteries are often available with and without the "button tops". Chances are good that if the place you're buying from stocks such a weird size, they'll have them in "topless" version too. 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Subject: 4.8 Gb drive in TP760? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know if a 4.8Gb Travelstar 6GN drive can be made to work in a TP760EL? I just got one and when I put it in place of the 2Gb drive the TP doesn't even recognize it. Does it need another BIOS update to make it work or is 2Gb the limit? I put it in my Dell Latitude XPiCD and it works fine. It even works as a second drive in the TP's ultrabay when in a hard drive adapter. I could partition and format the drive and copy files to it but was not able to boot from it. Seems strange that the drive will work in the ultrabay but not in the primary bay. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Fri May 26 17:55:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA27255 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 17:55:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09162; Fri, 26 May 2000 17:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 26 May 2000 17:53:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09042; Fri, 26 May 2000 17:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09028; Fri, 26 May 2000 17:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 26 May 2000 17:53:47 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-31.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.31]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA24624 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 00:53:39 +0300 Message-Id: <200005262153.AAA24624@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 00:34:50 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: hard disk protection (TP600/TP600E) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zc List-Unsubscribe: My TP600/TP600E hard disk saga goes on ;-) I have a TP600E with a 6.4 GB Travelstar and a TP600 with a 5.1 GB Travelstar. Both machines are second-hand. My initial problem was related to putting the 5.1 GB in an UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter and inserting the whole lot in my TP600E: I was asked for a password upon booting (although I can boot the 5.1 GB drive in the TP600 without being asked for a password). Now I found out that I'm also asked for a password when I insert the 6.4 GB drive in the TP600 (although no password is asked when the drive is in the TP600E). So if I understand things correctly, both drives have been password-protected (by a previous owner), the password seems to be linked to the machine hosting the drive when it was created and the password is requested only when the drive is not in its original host. Does it make sense? Now the next question is: is there a way to get rid of these passwords so that I can use my UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter? Thanks, Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Kirkkonummi, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri May 26 21:18:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA28193 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 21:18:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16848; Fri, 26 May 2000 21:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 26 May 2000 21:17:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16697; Fri, 26 May 2000 21:17:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16684; Fri, 26 May 2000 21:17:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 26 May 2000 21:17:27 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc5a243.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.244]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA21604 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 21:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005270117.VAA21604@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc5a243.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.244] 209.198.80.244 Fri, 26 May 2000 21:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 20:21:06 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Recovery CD question X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 List-Unsubscribe: Is it true that the TP recovery CDs don't work with a larger hard drive then one that shipped with the machine? -- I've never heard of this here, and ran into the claim. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri May 26 21:24:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA28244 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 21:24:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17308; Fri, 26 May 2000 21:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 26 May 2000 21:24:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17231; Fri, 26 May 2000 21:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17218; Fri, 26 May 2000 21:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 26 May 2000 21:24:22 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.51.18]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000527012421.RCAP9011.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Sat, 27 May 2000 01:24:21 +0000 Message-ID: <392F23F2.34C9@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:25:06 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: letoured@sover.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Recovery CD question References: <200005270117.VAA21604@pike.sover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: NOPE I just did one on a 14.1 gig on a 770E letoured@sover.net wrote: > > Is it true that the TP recovery CDs don't work with a larger hard drive then > one that shipped with the machine? -- I've never heard of this here, and ran > into the claim. > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > letoured@sover.net > ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri May 26 21:31:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA28269 for ; Fri, 26 May 2000 21:31:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17725; Fri, 26 May 2000 21:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 26 May 2000 21:31:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17642; Fri, 26 May 2000 21:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17625; Fri, 26 May 2000 21:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.101 -> pilot001.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 26 May 2000 21:31:14 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm659-37.dialip.mich.net [198.110.17.143]) by pilot001.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA35614; Fri, 26 May 2000 21:31:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000526212837.00d81cf0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Fri, 26 May 2000 21:31:25 -0400 To: , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Recovery CD question In-Reply-To: <200005270117.VAA21604@pike.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I've heard that too, but have narrowed it down to "consumer" grade Aptiva's it seems. From what I have read twice now on usenet, some (large?) class of Aptiva's won't restore to anything other than their original disks. As far as I know, this is not a problem with ThinkPads. I'm still not 100% sure of all this, but when I called IBM, the person couldn't answer this. *sigh* --STeve Andre' At 08:21 PM 5/26/00 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >Is it true that the TP recovery CDs don't work with a larger hard drive then >one that shipped with the machine? -- I've never heard of this here, and ran >into the claim. From cph Sat May 27 12:53:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA31054 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 12:53:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00027; Sat, 27 May 2000 12:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 27 May 2000 12:51:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29812; Sat, 27 May 2000 12:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29799; Sat, 27 May 2000 12:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 27 May 2000 12:51:45 -0400 Received: from cjsibm (ftw-tx29-31.ix.netcom.com [204.30.108.31]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA06661 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 12:51:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Charles J Schultz SR" To: "Thinkpad@Cs. Utk. Edu" Subject: Adding drive to 770Z-A NOTE OF THANKS TO ALL WHO REPLIED Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 11:50:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: HI Just a note of thanks for all the info on adding a drive to my 770Z. I found the caddy and 25Gig drive available at dirtcheapdrives and a 18 gig and caddy available at Megahaus. Thanks again, Chuck From cph Sat May 27 13:05:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA31093 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 13:05:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00495; Sat, 27 May 2000 13:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 27 May 2000 13:05:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00393; Sat, 27 May 2000 13:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00380; Sat, 27 May 2000 13:05:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 27 May 2000 13:05:14 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA06641 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:05:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (pri08.dialup [152.78.68.233]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA08485 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:05:11 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005271705.SAA08485@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:13:22 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: new feature List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id NAA00495 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA31094 Please take a look at this new feature that is a must for every ThinkPad: http://www.michelinakis.gr/Dimitris/keyboard.jpg Comments would be appriciated :) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat May 27 16:36:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA31829 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 16:36:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07524; Sat, 27 May 2000 16:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 27 May 2000 16:34:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07382; Sat, 27 May 2000 16:34:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acme.sb.west.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07368; Sat, 27 May 2000 16:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from acme.sb.west.net (205.254.224.2 -> acme.sb.west.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 27 May 2000 16:34:14 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.2] (term6-45.vta.west.net [205.254.241.237]) by acme.sb.west.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 053DB249C4 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 13:34:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Thinkpad 1450i LCD cable trouble Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 13:35:04 -0800 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: Jack Van Olst To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <20000527203406.053DB249C4@acme.sb.west.net> List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA31830 Twice during warranty the LCD showed only the backlight - no video signal. Each time, IBM fixed it and said they had to reseat or even silicone glue a "poorly designed connector" back in place. Now the warranty has expired but the problem is still here. I have disassembled the LCD and the laptop, reseated the connectors at both ends, and sometimes get video and sometimes not. I was sure I had the problem isolated to the LCD end of the cable, and found lots of tape there that IBM had used to secure the connector. I reseated and retaped, and it worked for a couple of days, then no video again. I can¹t tell for sure if my reseating is having any effect or if the problem is just intermittent caused by some other problem. A new HD and clean W98 install changed nothing, so I don¹t think it¹s software-related. Has anyone had similar troubles and understands more exactly where the problem is and what IBM is trying to do with tape, glue, etc.? Thanks, Jon From cph Sat May 27 18:05:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA32122 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:05:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09771; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 27 May 2000 18:05:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09634; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:05:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09621; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot007.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.107 -> pilot007.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 27 May 2000 18:05:02 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm455-19.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.29]) by pilot007.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA64382 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:04:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000527174118.00d734f0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 18:05:08 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 1450i LCD cable trouble In-Reply-To: <20000527203406.053DB249C4@acme.sb.west.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA32123 It certainly sounds like they were trying to keep that connector tightly bound to its mating part. If they said 'poorly designed connector', I'd believe them, and shudder. Sounds like its a permanent problem and will possibly get worse with time if the connectors pins deform, etc. I would clean both parts of that connector, and inspect for wear on the pins, if you can see them (I have no idea what the connector looks like). I don't know how you use your ThinkPad, but if you make this fix again and then keep it stationary and have it work fine for a week or so, then find that it dies once again when its mobile, I'd sure say the problem is where you think it is. I realize that a stationary laptop can be a real pain. Given that lots of connectors aren't designed for many reseatings, you might want to find out if that cable isn't too much and get a new one. With some luck perhaps the problems with the connection are on the cable side, as opposed to the connector on the PC board. If the cable was less than $25 I think I'd definitely try that. After getting it I'd glue it down, too. The connector doesn't seat right, and their tape/glue tricks were to try and keep a tight connection. Of course, there is another option you have, too, which is to call IBM and bitch *loudly*. You've sent it in twice now for help, and twice now its died. I think you could make the claim that they never fixed it, not really. You might want to see what IBM says--it seems pretty clear to me that they didn't design this particular part right, and since I have a 1451i that has never had this problem (and know of three other happy 1451 owners) I'll bet they fixed this on other models. Actually, I don't think I know of any i unit that has this problem, at least of the 1451, 1472, 1721, 1460, 1480 and 1442 models I know of. It's a free call to IBM and it might work? I really hate interconnects in electronics. I have spent too many hours fighting exactly this kind of crud on radios and other electronics! Ugh! Good luck. --STeve Andre' At 01:35 PM 5/27/00 -0800, Jack Van Olst wrote: >Twice during warranty the LCD showed only the backlight - no video >signal. Each time, IBM fixed it and said they had to reseat or even >silicone glue a "poorly designed connector" back in place. Now the >warranty has expired but the problem is still here. I have disassembled >the LCD and the laptop, reseated the connectors at both ends, and >sometimes get video and sometimes not. I was sure I had the problem >isolated to the LCD end of the cable, and found lots of tape there that >IBM had used to secure the connector. I reseated and retaped, and it >worked for a couple of days, then no video again. I can¹t tell for sure >if my reseating is having any effect or if the problem is just >intermittent caused by some other problem. A new HD and clean W98 >install changed nothing, so I don¹t think it¹s software-related. > >Has anyone had similar troubles and understands more exactly where the >problem is and what IBM is trying to do with tape, glue, etc.? > >Thanks, Jon From cph Sat May 27 18:41:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA32244 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:41:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10831; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:40:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 27 May 2000 18:40:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10749; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA10736; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.33 -> hnlmail1.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 27 May 2000 18:40:31 -0400 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.229.156]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Sat, 27 May 2000 12:40:23 -1000 Message-ID: <000d01bfc82c$b8836bc0$9ce51918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: Subject: TP 390E for cheap Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 12:41:36 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: --Hello everyone, I've found a great deal in New York, and since I can't afford to pick up a new Thinkpad just yet, I thought I'd pass it on to all of you who are looking for a new system. At www.mypc21.com they are selling a Thinkpad 390E COU model for $1299. That model is currently retailing for $2299 everywhere else. It's got a 13.3 Active matrix screen, a 24X CDROM, a 3.2gb Hard Drive, a 56K modem, and 32mb of RAM. While the RAM and HD are a little skimpy, the system is pretty hot considering it's running a Pentium II 300PE processor. Not a celeron. I guess everyone is dumping their non A or T series laptops for the next generation of Thinkpads. This particular system is really hot though. I wish I had the funds to pick one up, but being unemployed I've got to keep a buffer of cash for rent and necessities. If there are any millionares out there who want to show their appreciation to me for finding this deal for them, feel free to buy me one of these systems. Just a suggestion. =) Haha. Happy shopping everyone. Have a fun and safe Memorial weekend. --Keith Keith Wong Chief Systems Engineer Omega Tech Consulting Home: (808) 949-0345 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu From cph Sat May 27 18:51:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA32290 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:51:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11365; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 27 May 2000 18:50:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11292; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11279; Sat, 27 May 2000 18:50:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 27 May 2000 18:50:20 -0400 Received: from default ([12.72.1.199]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000527225019.MPWF6885.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@default>; Sat, 27 May 2000 22:50:19 +0000 Message-ID: <393025E1.A67@att.net> Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 15:45:37 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Keith @ LavaNet" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 390E for cheap References: <000d01bfc82c$b8836bc0$9ce51918@hawaii.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Keith @ LavaNet wrote: > > --Hello everyone, I've found a great deal in New York, and since I can't > afford to pick up a new Thinkpad just yet, I thought I'd pass it on to all > of you who are looking for a new system. At www.mypc21.com they are selling > a Thinkpad 390E COU model for $1299. That model is currently retailing for > $2299 everywhere else. It's got a 13.3 Active matrix screen, a 24X CDROM, a > 3.2gb Hard Drive, a 56K modem, and 32mb of RAM. While the RAM and HD are a > little skimpy, the system is pretty hot considering it's running a Pentium > II 300PE processor. Not a celeron. I guess everyone is dumping their non A > or T series laptops for the next generation of Thinkpads. This particular > system is really hot though. I wish I had the funds to pick one up, but > being unemployed I've got to keep a buffer of cash for rent and necessities. > > If there are any millionares out there who want to show their appreciation > to me for finding this deal for them, feel free to buy me one of these > systems. Just a suggestion. =) Haha. Happy shopping everyone. Have a > fun and safe Memorial weekend. > > --Keith > > Keith Wong > Chief Systems Engineer > Omega Tech Consulting > Home: (808) 949-0345 > Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com > pirate@lava.net > kwong@email.uophx.edu I'd be careful when dealing with that company... I tried ordering a 600x >from them and got calls around 4 AM in the morning West coast time trying to confirm my order and most of it was wrong... then they called me two days later at 4 AM and told me that they couldnt ship it for two weeks... at which point I cancelled my order... they might be fine, but caveat emptor From cph Sat May 27 19:05:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA32327 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 19:05:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11917; Sat, 27 May 2000 19:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 27 May 2000 19:04:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11836; Sat, 27 May 2000 19:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11823; Sat, 27 May 2000 19:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 27 May 2000 19:04:52 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA10329 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 16:04:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3930543B.B1E9F56D@stanford.edu> Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 16:03:23 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP 390E for cheap References: <000d01bfc82c$b8836bc0$9ce51918@hawaii.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: NY joints are infamous for bait/switch tactics and lousy service with regards to electronic goods, especially digital cameras. My first instinct would be to check Dejanews. 100% of the time so far, all the good prices I've seen have come from shops that have had angry Dejanews members writing about getting ripped off. I got my 560x from Mark at www.interactiveportables.com. No links - just a satisfied customer. That's the first place I'd check for a good deal. BTW, the performance difference between a Celeron (128K cache @ full speed) and PII PE (256K cache @full speed) in a _portable_ is IMHO neglegible. Vote with your wallet. If you need more speed, then your wallet shouldn't be the issue. Benjamin "Keith @ LavaNet" wrote: > > --Hello everyone, I've found a great deal in New York, and since I can't > afford to pick up a new Thinkpad just yet, I thought I'd pass it on to all > of you who are looking for a new system. At www.mypc21.com they are selling > a Thinkpad 390E COU model for $1299. That model is currently retailing for > $2299 everywhere else. It's got a 13.3 Active matrix screen, a 24X CDROM, a > 3.2gb Hard Drive, a 56K modem, and 32mb of RAM. While the RAM and HD are a > little skimpy, the system is pretty hot considering it's running a Pentium > II 300PE processor. Not a celeron. I guess everyone is dumping their non A > or T series laptops for the next generation of Thinkpads. This particular > system is really hot though. I wish I had the funds to pick one up, but > being unemployed I've got to keep a buffer of cash for rent and necessities. > > If there are any millionares out there who want to show their appreciation > to me for finding this deal for them, feel free to buy me one of these > systems. Just a suggestion. =) Haha. Happy shopping everyone. Have a > fun and safe Memorial weekend. > > --Keith > > Keith Wong > Chief Systems Engineer > Omega Tech Consulting > Home: (808) 949-0345 > Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com > pirate@lava.net > kwong@email.uophx.edu -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (even 68k) or PC without installing IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Pay or be paid via credit card, plus instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Sat May 27 21:41:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA00490 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 21:41:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15708; Sat, 27 May 2000 21:40:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 27 May 2000 21:39:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15571; Sat, 27 May 2000 21:39:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15558; Sat, 27 May 2000 21:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hawaii.rr.com (24.25.227.33 -> hnlmail1.hawaii.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 27 May 2000 21:39:22 -0400 Received: from dpk.hawaii.rr.com ([24.25.229.156]) by hawaii.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.447.44); Sat, 27 May 2000 15:39:16 -1000 Message-ID: <002301bfc845$b5c5c900$9ce51918@hawaii.rr.com> Reply-To: "Keith @ LavaNet" From: "Keith @ LavaNet" To: References: <000d01bfc82c$b8836bc0$9ce51918@hawaii.rr.com> <3930543B.B1E9F56D@stanford.edu> Subject: Re: TP 390E for cheap Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 15:40:29 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: --Thanks for the tips AJ and Benjamin. Yeah I didn't think the difference between a 300PE and a Celeron would be that big in performance. But at $1299 if this deal is legit, then the PII is a better deal than other Celeron systems, especially considering the screen size. Most Celeron systems for that price only have the 12.1 HPA screen which is an enhanced dual scan. No, this deal is definitely for us lower wage earning stiffs only, or for college people. If performance is your goal, then the A and T series are the machines to get definitely. I think you can order one of those machines base configurations for $1799 or $1999 too. THAT is a deal too. Of course it's all relative to what you need, and what you can afford. =) --Keith Keith Wong Chief Systems Engineer Omega Tech Consulting Home: (808) 949-0345 Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com pirate@lava.net kwong@email.uophx.edu ----- Original Message ----- From: Benjamin Koh To: Sent: Saturday, May 27, 2000 1:03 PM Subject: Re: TP 390E for cheap > NY joints are infamous for bait/switch tactics and lousy service with > regards to electronic goods, especially digital cameras. My first > instinct would be to check Dejanews. 100% of the time so far, all the > good prices I've seen have come from shops that have had angry Dejanews > members writing about getting ripped off. > > I got my 560x from Mark at www.interactiveportables.com. No links - just > a satisfied customer. That's the first place I'd check for a good deal. > > BTW, the performance difference between a Celeron (128K cache @ full > speed) and PII PE (256K cache @full speed) in a _portable_ is IMHO > neglegible. Vote with your wallet. If you need more speed, then your > wallet shouldn't be the issue. > > Benjamin > > "Keith @ LavaNet" wrote: > > > > --Hello everyone, I've found a great deal in New York, and since I can't > > afford to pick up a new Thinkpad just yet, I thought I'd pass it on to all > > of you who are looking for a new system. At www.mypc21.com they are selling > > a Thinkpad 390E COU model for $1299. That model is currently retailing for > > $2299 everywhere else. It's got a 13.3 Active matrix screen, a 24X CDROM, a > > 3.2gb Hard Drive, a 56K modem, and 32mb of RAM. While the RAM and HD are a > > little skimpy, the system is pretty hot considering it's running a Pentium > > II 300PE processor. Not a celeron. I guess everyone is dumping their non A > > or T series laptops for the next generation of Thinkpads. This particular > > system is really hot though. I wish I had the funds to pick one up, but > > being unemployed I've got to keep a buffer of cash for rent and necessities. > > > > If there are any millionares out there who want to show their appreciation > > to me for finding this deal for them, feel free to buy me one of these > > systems. Just a suggestion. =) Haha. Happy shopping everyone. Have a > > fun and safe Memorial weekend. > > > > --Keith > > > > Keith Wong > > Chief Systems Engineer > > Omega Tech Consulting > > Home: (808) 949-0345 > > Emails: wongk007@hawaii.rr.com > > pirate@lava.net > > kwong@email.uophx.edu > > -- > Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (even 68k) or PC without installing > IE 4! > > https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh > Pay or be paid via credit card, plus instant $5 cash for signing up! > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com > Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: > http://www.thehungersite.com/ > From cph Sat May 27 22:19:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA00560 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 22:19:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16851; Sat, 27 May 2000 22:17:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 27 May 2000 22:17:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16775; Sat, 27 May 2000 22:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16762; Sat, 27 May 2000 22:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (64.4.8.120 -> oe16.law9.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 27 May 2000 22:17:44 -0400 Received: (qmail 94310 invoked by uid 65534); 28 May 2000 02:17:43 -0000 Message-ID: <20000528021743.94309.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Originating-IP: [63.23.26.196] Reply-To: "Eugene Iwasa" From: "Eugene Iwasa" To: Subject: flickering screen Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 10:17:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Hi everyone, I've noticed on my 2-month old TP240 (300 Celeron) that when I'm on battery power (but never on AC power), the screen will occasionally flicker quite dramatically for several seconds at a time. It does not appear to be related to anything I am doing on the computer at that particular moment. It almost appears as if there is not enough power being delivered to the screen, but I've never let the battery go below say 20% before recharging it. I was wondering if anybody had any ideas on why this might be happening. While I am on the topic of screens, can anybody suggest what settings to use in the BIOS or other places to make the screen a little more bright while on battery power yet be marginally power efficient? I haven't fiddled with the screen brightness setting so it's at the factory default currently, which on battery power is quite dim. Thanks for your input. Eugene From cph Sat May 27 22:47:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA00615 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 22:47:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17680; Sat, 27 May 2000 22:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 27 May 2000 22:45:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17570; Sat, 27 May 2000 22:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17542; Sat, 27 May 2000 22:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 27 May 2000 22:45:01 -0400 Received: from jnipper (jaxtnt1-175.fdn.com [216.199.4.189]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA02020 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 22:44:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000a01bfc8cd$4af3b640$bd04c7d8@fdn.com> From: "Computer-Guru" To: References: <000d01bfc82c$b8836bc0$9ce51918@hawaii.rr.com> <3930543B.B1E9F56D@stanford.edu> <002301bfc845$b5c5c900$9ce51918@hawaii.rr.com> Subject: My New Thinkpad!!! Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 10:51:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Hello All, It has been a while since I have posted to this list! I bought my new Thinkpad laptop computer today, it is from the "i-series" line, model 1420. My local Circuit city store has a close out deal on this model, and I was able to pick it up for $949.00... Did I get a deal? Here are the specs of the unit: Intel Celeron 433 CPU 32 Megs Ram 4.8 GIG HDD 24x CD 1.44 floppy Sound 13' Inch XGA Screen windows 98SE Price: $949.00. Deal?? I would REALLY LIKE to hear any comments about this laptop computer!! Have a few questions also: 1) Where can I get a memory upgrade? 32 megs is just not enough for what I want to do with the unit. 2) What does an extra battery cost? Thanks, Jim From cph Sat May 27 22:47:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA00619 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 22:47:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17910; Sat, 27 May 2000 22:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 27 May 2000 22:46:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17818; Sat, 27 May 2000 22:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17802; Sat, 27 May 2000 22:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot002.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.102 -> pilot002.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 27 May 2000 22:46:01 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm455-02.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.12]) by pilot002.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA54850 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 22:45:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000527223523.00bb2ef0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 22:46:04 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: flickering screen In-Reply-To: <20000528021743.94309.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: The dimmer you make the screen, the bigger the win is for power. My suggestion would be to make it as dim as you can stand it, and go from there. You can then time how long the battery lasts. If its anything like my two ThinkPads, you'll notice a definite increase in battery life by leaving the brightness all the way down. If you do things that don't require the disk to be on much, then have the disks turn off after two or three minutes. As for your flickering problem, I'm not sure whats going on there. If there were two different circuits for power to the display (ac and battery) then the battery circuit might have a flakey voltage regulator or something, but that doesn't make much sense to me. I think I'd call IBM and have it go in to the shop. Lastly, I'd let the battery completely die every once in a while, rather than start the recharge at 20% all the time. --STeve Andre' At 10:17 AM 5/27/00 -0700, Eugene Iwasa wrote: >Hi everyone, > >I've noticed on my 2-month old TP240 (300 Celeron) that when I'm on battery >power (but never on AC power), the screen will occasionally flicker quite >dramatically for several seconds at a time. It does not appear to be related >to anything I am doing on the computer at that particular moment. It almost >appears as if there is not enough power being delivered to the screen, but >I've never let the battery go below say 20% before recharging it. I was >wondering if anybody had any ideas on why this might be happening. > >While I am on the topic of screens, can anybody suggest what settings to use >in the BIOS or other places to make the screen a little more bright while on >battery power yet be marginally power efficient? I haven't fiddled with the >screen brightness setting so it's at the factory default currently, which on >battery power is quite dim. > >Thanks for your input. > >Eugene From cph Sat May 27 23:16:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA00713 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 23:16:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18845; Sat, 27 May 2000 23:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 27 May 2000 23:14:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18739; Sat, 27 May 2000 23:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot004.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18720; Sat, 27 May 2000 23:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot004.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.104 -> pilot004.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 27 May 2000 23:14:54 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm455-02.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.12]) by pilot004.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA67406 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 23:14:50 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000527225712.00d74380@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 23:14:56 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: My New Thinkpad!!! In-Reply-To: <000a01bfc8cd$4af3b640$bd04c7d8@fdn.com> References: <000d01bfc82c$b8836bc0$9ce51918@hawaii.rr.com> <3930543B.B1E9F56D@stanford.edu> <002301bfc845$b5c5c900$9ce51918@hawaii.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: $949 sounds like a good deal to me. I have the big brother to yours, the 1480 which I got around Christmas time last year. You have 33Mhz less CPU, 1.2G less disk, 32M less ram, .7 in less screen and a CD rather than a DVD that my 1480 has, but I paid a little more than twice that. All in all, I think thats a reasonable deal. Memory can be had from many sources. I've gotten several things from crucial.com now, and have had zero problems to date. Probably you can get 32M more for $60ish, and a 64M sodimm for $120 or so. Batteries I can't comment on. You have probably read some of the flames that some of list participants have generated when talking about i Series machines, but I like them--enough to have bought one out of my own pocket, and after 16 months with them I have no regrets. Yes, I would rather have an A20, but I don't have the funds for that at the moment. I think the i Series is a good compromise between power and cost, and *know* that they rank very highly against other laptops. I maintain more than 80 computers as a part of my job among other things, and favor my ThinkPads over the Toshiba's, older Dell's, CTX's, and some older ThinkPads even. So, all in all I think you got a reasonable deal. Did you get the lowest price? Who knows-- the market is so volatile these days that you can't be sure, so don't worry about it. One thing to remember: after you've cycled the battery a dozen times or so (I prefer that over the 3 times IBM says), you should remember that keeping the battery in the unit at all times when you use AC a lot will kill the life of the battery. If you keep the battery out (or unplugged, but still in the unit) you'll see a definite increase in battery life. If you get unplugged from the AC however, you'll die, so beware! ;-) My last thoughts are to try to use it a lot right now, and leave it powered up at night. I always do this with new computers, to try and bring out any infant mortality problems right away. You have a one year clock on your warranty, so its good to flush out any problems as soon as you can. Its a sad fact of life these days that laptop problems are common (I'm estimating about 30%), so figuring out what they are early in the warranty cycle means you'll be better off later. Have fun with your new ThinkPad! --STeve Andre' At 10:51 AM 5/28/00 -0700, Computer-Guru wrote: >Hello All, > > It has been a while since I have posted to this list! I bought my new >Thinkpad laptop >computer today, it is from the "i-series" line, model 1420. My local Circuit >city store has a >close out deal on this model, and I was able to pick it up for $949.00... >Did I get a deal? > >Here are the specs of the unit: >Intel Celeron 433 CPU >32 Megs Ram >4.8 GIG HDD >24x CD >1.44 floppy >Sound >13' Inch XGA Screen >windows 98SE >Price: $949.00. Deal?? > >I would REALLY LIKE to hear any comments about this laptop computer!! > >Have a few questions also: > >1) Where can I get a memory upgrade? 32 megs is just not enough for what I >want to do >with the unit. > >2) What does an extra battery cost? > >Thanks, >Jim From cph Sat May 27 23:27:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA00745 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 23:27:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19485; Sat, 27 May 2000 23:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 27 May 2000 23:26:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19399; Sat, 27 May 2000 23:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19386; Sat, 27 May 2000 23:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web120.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.121 -> web120.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 27 May 2000 23:26:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 1680 invoked by uid 60001); 28 May 2000 03:26:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000528032604.1679.qmail@web120.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web120.yahoomail.com; Sat, 27 May 2000 20:26:04 PDT Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 20:26:04 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: new feature To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I hope that key doesn't stick like all the other Thinkpad keys! --- "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." wrote: > Please take a look at this new feature that is a > must for every ThinkPad: > http://www.michelinakis.gr/Dimitris/keyboard.jpg > > Comments would be appriciated :) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun May 28 02:17:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA01216 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 02:17:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23464; Sun, 28 May 2000 02:15:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 02:14:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23289; Sun, 28 May 2000 02:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23276; Sun, 28 May 2000 02:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.az.com (216.145.8.233 -> ip-216.145.8.233.az.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 02:14:53 -0400 Received: from whistler.az.com (ip-216.145.8.254.az.com [216.145.8.254]) by www.az.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA08910 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 23:15:57 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Received: from Buck ([10.66.44.19]) by whistler.az.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA75872 for ; Sat, 27 May 2000 23:21:03 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from robertm@az.com) Message-Id: <200005280621.XAA75872@whistler.az.com> From: "LightSide" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Date: Sat, 27 May 2000 23:22:15 +0000 Reply-To: "LightSide" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: flickering screen List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 27 May 2000 22:46:04 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >As for your flickering problem, I'm not sure whats going on there. If >there were >two different circuits for power to the display (ac and battery) then the >battery >circuit might have a flakey voltage regulator or something, but that >doesn't make >much sense to me. I think I'd call IBM and have it go in to the shop. I have this problem on my TP365XD. If I'm in Word, it's very noticable with the all white background. I am trying to just ignore it. I'm in the waiting phase to see if I get this new job (trading two for one) and if I do I'll start saving up for one of those new T model TP's. I think the A series are kinda cool but they don't support all the OS's I want on it and the T model does. Robert Robert Mears Certified Key and Button Pusher robertm@az.com OS/2 Warp v4: Because you deserve more than an os designed for games From cph Sun May 28 03:29:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA01405 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 03:29:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26446; Sun, 28 May 2000 03:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 03:26:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26080; Sun, 28 May 2000 03:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26066; Sun, 28 May 2000 03:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 03:26:03 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-99.gate.net [199.227.20.162]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA135676; Sun, 28 May 2000 03:25:55 -0400 Message-ID: <3930C908.E61F68DC@gate.net> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 03:21:44 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: letoured@sover.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Recovery CD question References: <200005270117.VAA21604@pike.sover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: sounds like bul... uhh.. baffelgab to me.. :-) no such thing is true.. the recovery CD will work on any HDD large enough to hold the preload.. letoured@sover.net wrote: > Is it true that the TP recovery CDs don't work with a larger hard drive then > one that shipped with the machine? -- I've never heard of this here, and ran > into the claim. > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > letoured@sover.net > ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun May 28 03:29:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA01403 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 03:29:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26424; Sun, 28 May 2000 03:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 03:25:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26005; Sun, 28 May 2000 03:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25991; Sun, 28 May 2000 03:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 03:25:53 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-99.gate.net [199.227.20.162]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA48942; Sun, 28 May 2000 03:25:49 -0400 Message-ID: <3930C834.C0C927CB@gate.net> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 03:18:12 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steve C." CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 4.8 Gb drive in TP760? References: <20000526201350.20390.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Steve.. 760 will recognise up to 6.4gig, and maybe more if a bios overlay is used... (more on this some other post) your problem with the 4gig is the same old addressing thing.. the machine is telling the HDD that its a slave.. when it should be the master drive.. you're trying to reuse the original 760 HDD shell.. it either needs surgery, or the 4 addressing jumpers need surgery or you need one of my generic 760 HDD shells.. "Steve C." wrote: > Does anyone know if a 4.8Gb Travelstar 6GN drive can > be made to work in a TP760EL? I just got one and when > I put it in place of the 2Gb drive the TP doesn't even > recognize it. Does it need another BIOS update to make > it work or is 2Gb the limit? I put it in my Dell > Latitude XPiCD and it works fine. It even works as a > second drive in the TP's ultrabay when in a hard drive > adapter. I could partition and format the drive and > copy files to it but was not able to boot from it. > Seems strange that the drive will work in the ultrabay > but not in the primary bay. > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun May 28 03:29:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA01404 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 03:29:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26416; Sun, 28 May 2000 03:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 03:26:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26042; Sun, 28 May 2000 03:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26029; Sun, 28 May 2000 03:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 03:25:59 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-99.gate.net [199.227.20.162]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA48944; Sun, 28 May 2000 03:25:52 -0400 Message-ID: <3930C8C5.1196F7AB@gate.net> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 03:20:38 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominique Pivard CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: hard disk protection (TP600/TP600E) References: <200005262153.AAA24624@mail.clinet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Dominique.. i think something else is going on.. the HDD password is SUPPOSED to work on ANY machine.. not only on the original machine that it was in when the password was set.. otherwise, a HDD password would be worthless.. Dominique Pivard wrote: > My TP600/TP600E hard disk saga goes on ;-) > > I have a TP600E with a 6.4 GB Travelstar and a TP600 with a 5.1 GB > Travelstar. Both machines are second-hand. My initial problem was related > to putting the 5.1 GB in an UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter and inserting the > whole lot in my TP600E: I was asked for a password upon booting (although > I can boot the 5.1 GB drive in the TP600 without being asked for a > password). > > Now I found out that I'm also asked for a password when I insert the 6.4 > GB drive in the TP600 (although no password is asked when the drive is in > the TP600E). > > So if I understand things correctly, both drives have been > password-protected (by a previous owner), the password seems to be linked > to the machine hosting the drive when it was created and the password is > requested only when the drive is not in its original host. Does it make > sense? > > Now the next question is: is there a way to get rid of these passwords so > that I can use my UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter? > > Thanks, Dominique > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Dominique Pivard > Kirkkonummi, Finland > ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun May 28 05:13:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA01604 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 05:13:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00521; Sun, 28 May 2000 05:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 05:07:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00321; Sun, 28 May 2000 05:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA00308; Sun, 28 May 2000 05:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (130.133.1.48 -> mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 05:07:47 -0400 Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.zedat.fu-berlin.de (130.133.1.46) with esmtp id ; Sun, 28 May 2000 11:07:44 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 11:07:44 +0200 From: Christoph Eyrich To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New TPs - keyboard temperature? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Just wondering: How warm do the keyboards of the new TPs (T20, A20) get? A few days ago, I saw one of those Sonys: unusable unless you like working on a stove ... Regards, Christoph Eyrich From cph Sun May 28 05:44:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA01666 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 05:44:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04806; Sun, 28 May 2000 05:43:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 05:43:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04731; Sun, 28 May 2000 05:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phnxpop2.phnx.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04717; Sun, 28 May 2000 05:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phnxpop2.phnx.uswest.net (206.80.192.2 -> phnxpop2.phnx.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 05:43:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 3160 invoked by alias); 28 May 2000 09:43:26 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 3148 invoked by uid 0); 28 May 2000 09:43:25 -0000 Received: from aldialup116.phnx.uswest.net (63.225.201.116) by phnxpop2.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 May 2000 09:43:25 -0000 From: Ted Wiseman To: "Eugene Iwasa" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: flickering screen (TP 240) Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 02:43:26 -0700 Message-ID: References: <20000528021743.94309.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20000528021743.94309.qmail@hotmail.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA01667 I have the same model, and have noticed something similar. The flickering is more subtle than dramatic, and happens sporadically, but it's noticeable enough to be annoying. I haven't specifically noticed it only on battery power, but will watch to see if that's the case. My first reaction upong noticing it was that there was a problem with the ribbon cable powering the screen. (Maybe because I originally bought two of these units, and the screen on the other one was DOA. EasyServ diagnosed it as a bad ribbon cable.) But who knows? If it continues this unit will be going in for service too. BTW, the 240's brightness control is on the keyboard. The Fn key + F5 turns it down, Fn + F6 turns it up. >Hi everyone, > >I've noticed on my 2-month old TP240 (300 Celeron) that when I'm on battery >power (but never on AC power), the screen will occasionally flicker quite >dramatically for several seconds at a time. It does not appear to be related >to anything I am doing on the computer at that particular moment. It almost >appears as if there is not enough power being delivered to the screen, but >I've never let the battery go below say 20% before recharging it. I was >wondering if anybody had any ideas on why this might be happening. > >While I am on the topic of screens, can anybody suggest what settings to use >in the BIOS or other places to make the screen a little more bright while on >battery power yet be marginally power efficient? I haven't fiddled with the >screen brightness setting so it's at the factory default currently, which on >battery power is quite dim. > >Thanks for your input. > >Eugene From cph Sun May 28 08:36:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA11452 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 08:36:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13863; Sun, 28 May 2000 08:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 08:34:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13721; Sun, 28 May 2000 08:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13708; Sun, 28 May 2000 08:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot005.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.105 -> pilot005.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 08:34:49 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm455-02.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.12]) by pilot005.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA31576 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 08:34:46 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000528083111.00da0b50@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:34:35 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: flickering screen In-Reply-To: <20000528103904.B15929@mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de> References: <4.3.1.0.20000527223523.00bb2ef0@pilot.msu.edu> <20000528021743.94309.qmail@hotmail.com> <4.3.1.0.20000527223523.00bb2ef0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Well, if you are doing something that's going to require the disk much I would agree with you. But if you are in a word processor or file viewer, you can sit there without touching the disk for a fair period of time. You just have to remember to turn off any auto-save features of the word processor. I do this a lot when writing, and it works well. I agree that if you are actively using the disks that constant power ups are a bad thing. --STeve Andre' At 10:39 AM 5/28/00 +0200, Michael Eyrich wrote: >On Sat, May 27, 2000 at 10:46:04PM -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > >| do things that don't require the disk to be on much, then have the disks >| turn off after two or three minutes. > >AFAIK, this is not really recommended unless the disk keeps off for >more than 15 minutes. The power necessary to start up the disk is >quite high and each start stresses the disk (look at the drive specs >for the max number of start/stop cycles). ... From cph Sun May 28 09:19:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA11571 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 09:19:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14934; Sun, 28 May 2000 09:18:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 09:18:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14861; Sun, 28 May 2000 09:18:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14848; Sun, 28 May 2000 09:18:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (216.70.64.27 -> mrs-2.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 09:18:24 -0400 Received: from c454306b (1Cust194.tnt1.bellingham.wa.da.uu.net [63.28.105.194]) by mrs-2.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA60213; Sun, 28 May 2000 09:18:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003301bfc8a7$38b5dec0$c2691c3f@c454306b> Reply-To: "peter machule" From: "peter machule" To: "Steve C." Cc: References: <20000526201350.20390.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> <3930C834.C0C927CB@gate.net> Subject: Re: 4.8 Gb drive in TP760? Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 06:18:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Bill , I think your'e wrong on this one . ;-} Or maybe not ....what actual caddy was this drive put in ? The 2.1GB was in a "modern" shell so its flex cable should not need surgery. BTW only the last two pins need to be isolated on the " old" shells , not all 4. Since the drive and caddy work in the ultrabay this one is a puzzler . ie. It's not a bios thing , bad drive , bad cabling thing. By " the TP doesn't even recognize it" are you saying that in the BIOS the Drive Icon is greyed out ? Or it simply will not boot.? Have you checked your Bios version .....just because ;-} Also tell the bios to "initialize " and also check the Boot order, though again since you can boot with your other drive this should be a non issue. I only mention this because I was on the phone once with Tech support about a non booting drive in a Thinkpad 760E and the darn thing suddenly started working after we did all these things . I had already done them before phoning ...several times, but doing it again in a different order fixed things . BTW the 4GN 4.3GB work fine in the 760's . ..peter.. Using FDISK , the boot partion shows "A " for active ...right ? ...peter... > Steve.. > 760 will recognise up to 6.4gig, and maybe more if a bios overlay is > used... > (more on this some other post) > your problem with the 4gig is the same old addressing thing.. > the machine is telling the HDD that its a slave.. when it should be the > master drive.. > > you're trying to reuse the original 760 HDD shell.. it either needs > surgery, or the 4 addressing jumpers need surgery or you need one of my > generic 760 HDD shells.. > > > "Steve C." wrote: > > > Does anyone know if a 4.8Gb Travelstar 6GN drive can > > be made to work in a TP760EL? I just got one and when > > I put it in place of the 2Gb drive the TP doesn't even > > recognize it. Does it need another BIOS update to make > > it work or is 2Gb the limit? I put it in my Dell > > Latitude XPiCD and it works fine. It even works as a > > second drive in the TP's ultrabay when in a hard drive > > adapter. I could partition and format the drive and > > copy files to it but was not able to boot from it. > > Seems strange that the drive will work in the ultrabay > > but not in the primary bay. > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > > From cph Sun May 28 09:54:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA11665 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 09:54:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16078; Sun, 28 May 2000 09:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 09:52:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15950; Sun, 28 May 2000 09:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15937; Sun, 28 May 2000 09:52:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (206.161.15.5 -> radagast.wizard.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 09:52:10 -0400 Received: from saruman.wizard.net (saruman.wizard.net [206.161.15.4]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA16708; Sun, 28 May 2000 09:52:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (jonathan@localhost) by saruman.wizard.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA29277; Sun, 28 May 2000 09:52:15 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 09:52:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonathan To: Eugene Iwasa cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: flickering screen In-Reply-To: <20000528021743.94309.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 27 May 2000, Eugene Iwasa wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I've noticed on my 2-month old TP240 (300 Celeron) that when I'm on battery > power (but never on AC power), the screen will occasionally flicker quite > dramatically for several seconds at a time. It does not appear to be related > to anything I am doing on the computer at that particular moment. It almost > appears as if there is not enough power being delivered to the screen, but > I've never let the battery go below say 20% before recharging it. I was > wondering if anybody had any ideas on why this might be happening. > > While I am on the topic of screens, can anybody suggest what settings to use > in the BIOS or other places to make the screen a little more bright while on > battery power yet be marginally power efficient? I haven't fiddled with the > screen brightness setting so it's at the factory default currently, which on > battery power is quite dim. > > Thanks for your input. > > Eugene My 240 does the same. If I turn the brightness all the way up and then back down again, it seems to stop. If anyone gets to the bottom of this I certainly hope they will let us know. Yours, Jonathan From cph Sun May 28 11:23:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12041 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 11:23:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18355; Sun, 28 May 2000 11:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 11:21:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18247; Sun, 28 May 2000 11:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltdpop4.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18232; Sun, 28 May 2000 11:21:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltdpop4.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.4 -> ptldpop4.ptld.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 11:21:30 -0400 Received: (qmail 57456 invoked by alias); 28 May 2000 15:21:29 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 57446 invoked by uid 0); 28 May 2000 15:21:28 -0000 Received: from dialupg199.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (207.225.87.199) by ptldpop4.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 May 2000 15:21:28 -0000 Message-ID: <393139B6.2235F5A4@uswest.net> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 08:22:30 -0700 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Mailing list Subject: 760e freezes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Folks, I picked up a 760E with 16 meg of RAM and a 1.2g drive on ebay recently. I hooked it up to my dock one and Norton found a virus (stoned.bunny.a or something like that.) Cleaned it but I decided to repartition and reformat anyway. Win95 installed fine and so did Office97. I removed it >from the dock and finished setup on a desk using the AC adapter. Took it to work and plugged it in and the system froze. Won't even boot. Took it home and it booted fine. At work again nothing. My 360CSE works fine both places. Any ideas? -- Patrick West pgpkey 2.6.2 fingerprint is 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Sun May 28 11:58:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA12212 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 11:58:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19288; Sun, 28 May 2000 11:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 11:57:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19205; Sun, 28 May 2000 11:57:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19190; Sun, 28 May 2000 11:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 11:57:05 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.78.196.243]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000528155700.SUZF1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Sun, 28 May 2000 15:57:00 +0000 Message-ID: <393141FA.2D94@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 11:57:47 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: patrickwest@uswest.net CC: Thinkpad Mailing list Subject: Re: 760e freezes References: <393139B6.2235F5A4@uswest.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm not sure, but I think it is a mistake to install W95 while docked. You may need to do it all over again. Patrick West wrote: > > Folks, > > I picked up a 760E with 16 meg of RAM and a 1.2g drive on ebay recently. > > I hooked it up to my dock one and Norton found a virus (stoned.bunny.a > or something like that.) Cleaned it but I decided to repartition and > reformat anyway. Win95 installed fine and so did Office97. I removed it > from the dock and finished setup on a desk using the AC adapter. > > Took it to work and plugged it in and the system froze. Won't even boot. > Took it home and it booted fine. At work again nothing. My 360CSE works > fine both places. Any ideas? > > -- > Patrick West pgpkey 2.6.2 fingerprint > is 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Sun May 28 12:32:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA12417 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 12:32:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20786; Sun, 28 May 2000 12:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 12:30:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20636; Sun, 28 May 2000 12:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gabriel.cc.emory.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20623; Sun, 28 May 2000 12:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gabriel.cc.emory.edu (170.140.1.30 -> gabriel.cc.emory.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 12:30:52 -0400 Received: from LFinfer (anx1-47.dialup.emory.edu [170.140.252.103]) by gabriel.cc.emory.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id MAA17791 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 12:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008e01bfc8c2$87bec3e0$67fc8caa@equant.com> From: "Rick A. Bright" To: Subject: A20p delayed again Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 12:33:54 -0400 Organization: Emory University MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008B_01BFC8A0.FC4A17E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BFC8A0.FC4A17E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just heard from my IBM rep that the A20p with the combo card has again = been delayed, this time until the first of July. I don't know the = problem as there are T20 models out with the combo cards and it is not a = difference in W2K and W98 either. I have decided to cancel my order as by the time they come out, the = 750mhz processor will be available in a different A20 model at a lower = price than the 700 A20p I have on order. =20 IBM blamed the delay on "the worldwide shortage of Pentium III chips." = I think that is BS. Anyone else hear any news on these machines? ------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BFC8A0.FC4A17E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I just heard from my IBM rep that the A20p with the = combo card=20 has again been delayed, this time until the first of July.  I don't = know=20 the problem as there are T20 models out with the combo cards and it is = not a=20 difference in W2K and W98 either.
 
I have decided to cancel my order as by the time = they come=20 out, the 750mhz processor will be available in a different A20 model at = a lower=20 price than the 700 A20p I have on order. 
 
IBM blamed the delay on "the worldwide shortage of = Pentium III=20 chips."  I think that is BS.
 
Anyone else hear any news on these = machines?
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_008B_01BFC8A0.FC4A17E0-- From cph Sun May 28 13:56:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA12841 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 13:56:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23319; Sun, 28 May 2000 13:55:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 13:52:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23040; Sun, 28 May 2000 13:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23027; Sun, 28 May 2000 13:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason04.u.washington.edu (140.142.78.5 -> jason04.u.washington.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 13:52:42 -0400 Received: from dante32.u.washington.edu (williams@dante32.u.washington.edu [140.142.15.214]) by jason04.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW00.01) with ESMTP id KAA26890; Sun, 28 May 2000 10:52:40 -0700 Received: from localhost (williams@localhost) by dante32.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW00.05/8.9.3+UW99.09) with ESMTP id KAA50780; Sun, 28 May 2000 10:52:40 -0700 Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 10:52:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "J. Williams" To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List Subject: Re: T20--a bit more commentary... In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000526115716.00c7ade0@pop3.iceka1.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hi Seems likes you said that all Laptops speakers suck before. The 600 suck so the 770 must also. Changed your mind now? ;) John On Fri, 26 May 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > As I make further use of this T20 for another day, another thing made me > think to come back and make further commentary... > > The sound on the T20, compared to that of the TP600, is really much > better! OK, its still relatively "tinny" compared to a good stereo system > (what can you expect?), but nevertheless, I realized today when I went to a > web site that plays some music in the background--and its one that I check > with some regularity (and frankly, the music bugs the hell out of me), so > I'm familiar with the tunes it plays...it sounded *dramatically* better on > the T20 vs. what I've been accustomed to hearing on the TP600 for the last > couple years! > > Clearer--more distinct. Really an improvement. > > For what its worth... > > - Randy Whittle > From cph Sun May 28 16:28:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA13431 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 16:28:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27305; Sun, 28 May 2000 16:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 16:26:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27003; Sun, 28 May 2000 16:26:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26968; Sun, 28 May 2000 16:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 16:26:26 -0400 Received: from jnipper (jaxtnt1-21.fdn.com [216.199.4.35]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA18522 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 16:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3932E12C.1E7F@southeast.net> Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:29:17 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Name Plate for New Thinkpad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello All, I just bought my new Thinkpad laptop computer yesterday, so far I am very happy with it! I remember a while back some people on this list were talking about IBM and the personalized name plates on the bottom of the unit. My Question: How can I have a name plate made for my unit? What is involved in getting it done? Any cost? Thanks so much, Jim -- -------------------- Reguards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net From cph Sun May 28 16:28:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA13435 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 16:28:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27307; Sun, 28 May 2000 16:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 16:26:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26981; Sun, 28 May 2000 16:26:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26958; Sun, 28 May 2000 16:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 16:26:25 -0400 Received: from jnipper (jaxtnt1-21.fdn.com [216.199.4.35]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA18518 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 16:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3932D77E.4E15@southeast.net> Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 13:47:58 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: flickering screen References: <200005280621.XAA75872@whistler.az.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Huh.. I have no idea what might be the cause. I have the same problem with an old sub-notebook of mine, which I use every once in a while.. (Don't want to break this new i-series 1420 of mine!) Jim From cph Sun May 28 19:25:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA13890 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 19:25:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11755; Sun, 28 May 2000 19:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 19:24:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11640; Sun, 28 May 2000 19:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.accessus.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11627; Sun, 28 May 2000 19:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.accessus.net (209.145.150.75 -> postal.accessus.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 19:24:16 -0400 Received: from DrB (way1-138.dialup.accessus.net [207.206.183.138]) by mail1.accessus.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 02BFF7281F for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 18:24:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003e01bfc8fc$2e4ee760$fabececf@accessus.net> From: "Stan Blank" To: References: <200005280621.XAA75872@whistler.az.com> <3932D77E.4E15@southeast.net> Subject: Re: flickering screen Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 18:26:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: This may not work, but I have 3 different laptops (TP701c, Winbook XL, Dell Inspiron 7500)... I have noticed sporadic screen flickering on each; especially the Winbook when running X Windows. The fix? Make sure the monitor toggle is set to LCD only rather than LCD/CRT. I don't remember the exact keystrokes to toggle this option on a Thinkpad 701c, but on my Dell it's Fn+F8. > Huh.. I have no idea what might be the cause. I have the same problem > with an old sub-notebook of mine, which I use every once in a while.. > (Don't want to break this new i-series 1420 of mine!) > > Jim > > From cph Sun May 28 23:06:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14476 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:06:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25585; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 23:05:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25471; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25458; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 23:05:09 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.174.216]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:05:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id XAA03633 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:03:27 -0400 Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:03:27 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 730T and Linux: A minor victory In-Reply-To: <000201bfc6aa$c48edc20$2d3f6420@rchalkbcd> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: For the fellow tablet-heads trying to boot Linux: I'm happy to announce that I'm now very close to booting a full-featured Linux system from the drive. This is on an 8MB configuration, too, so there's no worries of it not working on a particular 730 configuration. Here's the scoop - 730 boots DOS off my PCMCIA hard drive, which runs loadlin, which loads a kernel image and initrd RAM disk into memory. At the shell prompt, I can mount /proc, then run cardmgr. (Cardmgr's probe causes the screen to blank - but if you switch VC's you can get your display back). Once cardmgr runs, it detects the hard drive, loads the appropriate modules, and the drive will exist as /dev/hda. The one serious issue I've seen so far is that after cardmgr finds the drive, you can't shut off the computer without ejecting the drive. If you push the power button, the hard drive light lights dim until you pop the card. But for all of us who have been trying to get Linux on a 730, I think this is quite a step. Next I'm going to try to nail down that screen blanking problem and automate the process, so the system will go on autopilot all the way to a Debian system. I don't think it'll be much of a challenge at this point. If anyone wants the kernel configuration or the initrd I used, E-mail me and I can send you a copy as a binary attachment. ---GEC Projects page: http://tetsujin.sourceforge.net/ GAIM/AOL IM: Tetsujin0 - Message anytime -- ICQ: 46909656 - I never use it From cph Sun May 28 23:27:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14535 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:27:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26519; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 23:26:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26434; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26413; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.192 -> web124.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 23:26:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 17491 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2000 03:25:56 -0000 Message-ID: <20000529032556.17490.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web124.yahoomail.com; Sun, 28 May 2000 20:25:56 PDT Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 20:25:56 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: GPS warning, DeLorme sucks! To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Just a warning. There was a thread about using GPS receivers on Thinkpads about a week ago. Someone mentioned the Delorme Tripmate. If anyone is thinking about getting one from Delorme, DON'T DO IT! When they break they can't be repaired! Mine never did work very well but now doesn't receive anything at all. I contacted Delorme and they said that they don't fix them! I told them to go to hell and haven't heard anything else from them so I guess it's just a worthless piece of crap. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun May 28 23:35:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14556 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:35:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27012; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:33:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 23:33:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26919; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26906; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.117 -> pilot017.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 23:33:38 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm455-20.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.30]) by pilot017.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA62266 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:33:35 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000528233121.00d76be0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:33:05 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: GPS warning, DeLorme sucks! In-Reply-To: <20000529032556.17490.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I don't doubt they're a piece of crap, but remember: they are legally obligated to repair/replace these things for some period of time. Despite what they may say, there IS an obligatory warranty there; something about being fit for purchase/use. You might remind them of this if you got it new. If its used, all bets are off. --STeve Andre' At 08:25 PM 5/28/00 -0700, Steve C. wrote: >Just a warning. There was a thread about using GPS >receivers on Thinkpads about a week ago. Someone >mentioned the Delorme Tripmate. If anyone is thinking >about getting one from Delorme, DON'T DO IT! When >they break they can't be repaired! Mine never did >work very well but now doesn't receive anything at >all. I contacted Delorme and they said that they >don't fix them! I told them to go to hell and haven't >heard anything else from them so I guess it's just a >worthless piece of crap. From cph Sun May 28 23:39:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14575 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:39:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27438; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 23:38:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27341; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27328; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:38:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.192 -> web124.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 23:38:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 18537 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2000 03:38:09 -0000 Message-ID: <20000529033809.18536.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web124.yahoomail.com; Sun, 28 May 2000 20:38:09 PDT Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 20:38:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Anyone know of "theteam"? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Did someone once say that they have done business with "theteam" as far as buying Thinkpad parts? How can I get hold of them? They have a number of items for sale on ebay. I tried to email them but they don't have a valid email address listed, just the one for some automated operation that collects money from the bids. They also have a number of negative comments listed which tends to make me cautious about bidding. What are your experiences with this outfit? Thanks. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun May 28 23:49:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14609 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:49:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28211; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 23:48:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28104; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28068; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.112 -> pilot012.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 23:48:26 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm455-20.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.30]) by pilot012.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA57412 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:48:22 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000528234249.00d819e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 23:47:51 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Anyone know of "theteam"? In-Reply-To: <20000529033809.18536.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: If you can't get ahold of them, *and* they have negative feedback, then I'd simply drop them. I have never experienced dealings with a recalcitrant, hard-to-contact vendor that has proved positive. Ever. People who keep in the less lighted regions of the world generally have reason to--and should be ignored. Ebay simply speeds this process up and lets the cyberslime ooze out for all to see. Might I suggest looking at http://bluestarusa.com? They might have what you are looking for, and they're real. --STeve Andre' At 08:38 PM 5/28/00 -0700, Steve C. wrote: >Did someone once say that they have done business with >"theteam" as far as buying Thinkpad parts? How can I >get hold of them? They have a number of items for >sale on ebay. I tried to email them but they don't >have a valid email address listed, just the one for >some automated operation that collects money from the >bids. They also have a number of negative comments >listed which tends to make me cautious about bidding. >What are your experiences with this outfit? Thanks. From cph Sun May 28 23:50:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA14617 for ; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:50:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28458; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 28 May 2000 23:49:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28382; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:49:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28369; Sun, 28 May 2000 23:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.192 -> web124.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 23:49:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 19453 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2000 03:49:26 -0000 Message-ID: <20000529034926.19452.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web124.yahoomail.com; Sun, 28 May 2000 20:49:26 PDT Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 20:49:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: GPS warning, DeLorme sucks! To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I did buy it new but it's now out of warranty and they say that they don't repair broken ones! --- STeve Andre' wrote: > I don't doubt they're a piece of crap, but remember: > they are legally > obligated to repair/replace these things for some > period of time. > Despite what they may say, there IS an obligatory > warranty there; > something about being fit for purchase/use. You > might remind them > of this if you got it new. If its used, all bets > are off. > > --STeve Andre' > > At 08:25 PM 5/28/00 -0700, Steve C. wrote: > >Just a warning. There was a thread about using GPS > >receivers on Thinkpads about a week ago. Someone > >mentioned the Delorme Tripmate. If anyone is > thinking > >about getting one from Delorme, DON'T DO IT! When > >they break they can't be repaired! Mine never did > >work very well but now doesn't receive anything at > >all. I contacted Delorme and they said that they > >don't fix them! I told them to go to hell and > haven't > >heard anything else from them so I guess it's just > a > >worthless piece of crap. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Mon May 29 00:12:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA14696 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:12:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29526; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:11:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 00:10:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29391; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29378; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 00:10:18 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA17816; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:10:16 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA27958; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000528171541.00c7dc40@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 17:18:09 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: T20--a bit more commentary... In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000526115716.00c7ade0@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 10:52 AM 5/28/00 -0700, you wrote: >Seems likes you said that all Laptops speakers suck before. The 600 suck >so the 770 must also. Changed your mind now? ;) No. All laptop speakers *still* suck, at least compared to good "real" speakers. Some just sound better than others. The T20's sound better than the 600's, but that doesn't mean I'd choose it over my Bose radio for listening to music. - Randy From cph Mon May 29 00:15:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA14704 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:15:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29771; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 00:13:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29698; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29685; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 00:13:52 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.174.216]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:13:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id AAA03936; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:12:06 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 00:12:06 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: "Steve C." cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: GPS warning, DeLorme sucks! In-Reply-To: <20000529032556.17490.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 28 May 2000, Steve C. wrote: > Just a warning. There was a thread about using GPS > receivers on Thinkpads about a week ago. Someone > mentioned the Delorme Tripmate. If anyone is thinking > about getting one from Delorme, DON'T DO IT! When > they break they can't be repaired! Mine never did > work very well but now doesn't receive anything at > all. I contacted Delorme and they said that they > don't fix them! I told them to go to hell and haven't > heard anything else from them so I guess it's just a > worthless piece of crap. > I happen to disagree with you, and not just because I work at DeLorme. The Earthmate is a small unit with an accessible protocol, very well suited to embedded applications or to navigation with computer mapping software IMO. Somehow I doubt it's economically feasible to repair the Earthmate GPS - it's small enough that the circuitry is almost certainly very integrated - a repair would (I imagine) mean replacing the 2 or 3 most expensive components, with labor cost much higher than assembling a unit in the first place. I seriously don't expect it's any different with other GPS brands, or for that matter other hardware. A lot of electronics gear isn't repaired these days - it's just not as practical as it was 10 years ago, when prices were higher and the manufacturing processes made it less difficult for someone with a soldering iron to swap parts out. Also, I don't think your attitude accomplishes much. Really, from a practical standpoint, it's fruitless - "Catch more flies with honey" and all that. Anyway, I wish you luck resolving your problem. ---GEC Projects page: http://tetsujin.sourceforge.net/ GAIM/AOL IM: Tetsujin0 - Message anytime -- ICQ: 46909656 - I never use it (My opinions are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my employer) From cph Mon May 29 00:32:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA14821 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:32:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00618; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 00:31:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00541; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00527; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.108 -> pilot008.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 00:31:05 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm455-20.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.30]) by pilot008.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA12920 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:31:01 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000529002725.00d76500@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 00:30:29 -0400 To: TP List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: T20--a bit more commentary... In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000528171541.00c7dc40@127.0.0.1> References: <4.2.0.58.20000526115716.00c7ade0@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Heh. The better ones simply suck less, thats all. ;-) And, the sounds differ from machine to machine. I know you don't like 'em Randy, but if you can, listen to the sound on the 1451i some time. I think its better than any other ThinkPad I have access to, and the owners of those units agreed. I'll be interested to see what the A20 I ordered will sound like. (Part of the reason I think the 1451i sounds so good is that it the speakers live on the sides of the screen, which helps place the sound better). --STeve Andre' At 05:18 PM 5/28/00 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 10:52 AM 5/28/00 -0700, you wrote: >>Seems likes you said that all Laptops speakers suck before. The 600 suck >>so the 770 must also. Changed your mind now? ;) > > No. All laptop speakers *still* suck, at least compared to good > "real" speakers. Some just sound better than others. The T20's sound > better than the 600's, but that doesn't mean I'd choose it over my Bose > radio for listening to music. > >- Randy From cph Mon May 29 00:43:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA14853 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:43:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01087; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 00:42:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01013; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web119.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01000; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:42:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web119.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.120 -> web119.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 00:42:31 -0400 Received: (qmail 5423 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2000 04:42:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000529044230.5422.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web119.yahoomail.com; Sun, 28 May 2000 21:42:30 PDT Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 21:42:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: GPS warning, DeLorme sucks! To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: George, you work at Delorme? I don't know about the Earthmate, that's a newer model than the Tripmate. Do you know if it's possible to get a schematic diagram or chip pinouts? I was trying to figure out what's wrong with it but I don't have specs on most of the Rockwell chips. The serial interface seems to work, returns some text but no coordinates, like the receiver is dead. The circuit board looks well made but I wasn't too impressed with the antenna, which is just a square of pc board material. No wonder it wasn't able to pick up anything on the dash of my car! Does the Earthmate have a real antenna that works? Concerning Delorme, what do they expect their customers to do anytime one breaks, throw it out and spend another $150 for a new one? I don't think so, I'll buy a better one from someone else next time. It's not very good customer relations to say that they can't be fixed. Wait till I see them again at the CES show in Las Vegas, I'm really going to give them a piece of my mind! They should take lessions from Magnavox. I had a VCR with a bad TV tuner and they couldn't get a new tuner module so they replaced the whole thing with a new one! Sure makes Delorme look bad. > I happen to disagree with you, and not just > because I work at DeLorme. The > Earthmate is a small unit with an accessible > protocol, very well suited to > embedded applications or to navigation with computer > mapping software IMO. > Somehow I doubt it's economically feasible to repair > the Earthmate GPS - it's > small enough that the circuitry is almost certainly > very integrated - a repair > would (I imagine) mean replacing the 2 or 3 most > expensive components, with > labor cost much higher than assembling a unit in the > first place. I seriously > don't expect it's any different with other GPS > brands, or for that matter > other hardware. A lot of electronics gear isn't > repaired these days - it's > just not as practical as it was 10 years ago, when > prices were higher and the > manufacturing processes made it less difficult for > someone with a soldering > iron to swap parts out. Also, I don't think your > attitude accomplishes much. > Really, from a practical standpoint, it's fruitless > - "Catch more flies with > honey" and all that. Anyway, I wish you luck > resolving your problem. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Mon May 29 00:45:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA14857 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:45:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01310; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 00:43:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01234; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01221; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 00:43:51 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA20468; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:43:50 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA03364; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000528213745.00c7fcb0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 21:43:45 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: T20--a bit more commentary... In-Reply-To: <4.3.1.0.20000529002725.00d76500@pilot.msu.edu> References: <4.2.0.58.20000528171541.00c7dc40@127.0.0.1> <4.2.0.58.20000526115716.00c7ade0@pop3.iceka1.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 12:30 AM 5/29/00 -0400, you wrote: >Heh. The better ones simply suck less, thats all. ;-) My point exactly. :-) >And, the sounds differ from machine to machine. I know you don't like 'em >Randy, >but if you can, listen to the sound on the 1451i some time. I think its >better than >any other ThinkPad I have access to, and the owners of those units >agreed. I'll >be interested to see what the A20 I ordered will sound like. Believe it or not, I wouldn't argue with that (though I have not yet tested it myself). One of the selling points of the i-series was the ability to play CD's without having the whole PC booted up. They were apparently trying to reach people who were using their PC's for more..."recreational" purposes than the typical hardcore Thinkpadder who is usually only concerned with business needs--and maybe never even puts a music CD in his CD-ROM drive. At any rate, it stands to reason that they might pay more attention to putting better quality speakers on the i's. >(Part of the reason I think the 1451i sounds so good is that it the >speakers live on >the sides of the screen, which helps place the sound better). Placement makes a difference. I think one of the reasons the T20 sounds better than the 600 is the T20 speakers are placed at the front, leading edge of the casing. This creates almost a sub-woofer kind of placement, providing for more rich sound (along with the placement inside the casing there...hard to explain, but if you're familiar with how Bose creates good bass in their products, its a little like that). Still, it doesn't hold a candle to good speakers or even headphones. Nevertheless, I've made it clear that nobody buys a laptop just to get good speakers. ;-) - Randy From cph Mon May 29 00:46:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA14866 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:46:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01447; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 00:44:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01360; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01347; Mon, 29 May 2000 00:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 00:44:07 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.164] (helo=139-142-112-164.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 12wHPI-0002pD-01 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 28 May 2000 21:44:05 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: flickering screen Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 19:25:15 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <200005280621.XAA75872@whistler.az.com> <3932D77E.4E15@southeast.net> <003e01bfc8fc$2e4ee760$fabececf@accessus.net> Lines: 17 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: In article <003e01bfc8fc$2e4ee760$fabececf@accessus.net>, "Stan Blank" wrote: >This may not work, but I have 3 different laptops (TP701c, Winbook XL, Dell >Inspiron 7500)... I have noticed sporadic screen flickering on each; >especially the Winbook when running X Windows. The fix? Make sure the >monitor toggle is set to LCD only rather than LCD/CRT. I don't remember the >exact keystrokes to toggle this option on a Thinkpad 701c, Fn-F7 and you can check the current status with Fn-F1. It's on the top line of page 2. -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/hecate.htm Roads vs Neighbourhoods From cph Mon May 29 01:32:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA15047 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 01:32:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03236; Mon, 29 May 2000 01:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 01:30:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03109; Mon, 29 May 2000 01:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03096; Mon, 29 May 2000 01:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.maine.rr.com (204.210.65.65 -> mail.maine.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 01:30:48 -0400 Received: from adamant.homeworlds.net ([24.25.174.216]) by mail.maine.rr.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-59787U250000L250000S0V35) with ESMTP id com; Mon, 29 May 2000 01:31:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (tetsujin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by adamant.homeworlds.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) with SMTP id BAA04397; Mon, 29 May 2000 01:29:26 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 01:29:26 -0400 (EDT) From: George Caswell X-Sender: tetsujin@adamant.homeworlds.net Reply-To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net To: "Steve C." cc: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [OT] Re: GPS warning, DeLorme sucks! In-Reply-To: <20000529044230.5422.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 28 May 2000, Steve C. wrote: > George, you work at Delorme? Yup. That's how I can afford my glamorous lifestyle. Eating, for example. > than the Tripmate. Do you know if it's possible to > get a schematic diagram or chip pinouts? I was trying > to figure out what's wrong with it but I don't have > specs on most of the Rockwell chips. The serial > board looks well made but I wasn't too impressed with > the antenna, which is just a square of pc board Well, all the Earthmates I've worked with have performed as well as any other GPS I've seen. As for the antenna - most GPS's use active antennas - I don't think the Delorme GPS antennas are anything unusual these days. I'm afraid I don't have access to the technical details of the GPS hardware, tho - not sure if I'd be able to give it out if I did. Might Rockwell be able to provide specs on their chips? The Earthmate is quite a bit smaller than the Tripmate (Earthmate is a little smaller than a Palm Pilot) and the antenna is internal - so I don't think the antenna's gonna be any more visually satisfying. Then again, I've never opened a Delorme GPS up, so I don't know. > Concerning Delorme, what do they expect their > customers to do anytime one breaks, throw it out and > spend another $150 for a new one? I don't think so, For a device out of warranty, that's exactly what you'll get from every manufacturer out there. My previous job was customer service at Circuit City - a lot of stuff just isn't repaired anymore, it's not worth it. No one's gonna repair a Diamond Rio, for instance - even a CD walkman has pieces that can be aligned, mechanical assemblies that can be replaced, substantial components other than the main controller board which can be swapped out. When the main controller board is the entire unit of a portable item, there's not much repair that isn't replacement. Something like that would most likely go to the manufacturer (if under warranty or service plan) - otherwise, yeah, the poor slobs working customer service get to say "Sorry, we can't send this out to be fixed." Then they get to call the manager, who will say the same thing. This is why the retail stores try to get people to buy their service plans. But the reason that such devices are impractical to repair is the same reason they're small, and cheap, and don't require so much power as the monsters you'd see 10-15 years ago. Tripmate's pretty large by today's standard, maybe it is serviceable if you find someone who knows the hardware - but that kind of work runs at least $25 per hour for labor. Between that and parts you're very quickly looking at the price of a new unit. ---GEC Projects page: http://tetsujin.sourceforge.net/ GAIM/AOL IM: Tetsujin0 - Message anytime -- ICQ: 46909656 - I never use it (My opinions are my own, and not necessarily those of my employer) From cph Mon May 29 02:02:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA15127 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 02:02:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA04061; Mon, 29 May 2000 02:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 02:00:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03978; Mon, 29 May 2000 02:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03961; Mon, 29 May 2000 02:00:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 02:00:56 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-42.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.42]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA06065 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:00:53 +0300 Message-Id: <200005290600.JAA06065@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:00:51 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <20000529033809.18536.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Anyone know of "theteam"? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zc List-Unsubscribe: I've bought a couple of items from them (SelectaDock III, UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter) and had no problem with them. I've found the lady (Mary Perry, theteam@4techteam.com) more friendly and responsive than the guy (Rob Perry, rob@4techteam.com). They are high-volume sellers, which may be the reason why they are hard to get in touch with. Based on my experience with them, I'd say they are a serious outfit and you can safely place a bid. Btw, the SelectaDock III is a good deal IMO, at $150 for a brand-new unit. -Dominique On Sun, 28 May 2000 at 08:38 PM you, "Steve C." , said: >Did someone once say that they have done business with >"theteam" as far as buying Thinkpad parts? How can I >get hold of them? They have a number of items for >sale on ebay. I tried to email them but they don't >have a valid email address listed, just the one for >some automated operation that collects money from the >bids. They also have a number of negative comments >listed which tends to make me cautious about bidding. >What are your experiences with this outfit? Thanks. From cph Mon May 29 05:57:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA15716 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 05:57:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18005; Mon, 29 May 2000 05:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 05:55:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17891; Mon, 29 May 2000 05:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA17878; Mon, 29 May 2000 05:55:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.177.150 -> hs-img-1.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 05:55:14 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id FAA19383; Mon, 29 May 2000 05:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 05:54:31 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: flickering screen Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: "LightSide" Cc: thinkpad Message-ID: <200005290554_MC2-A6BA-AFF2@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA15717 The only time my 755CX momentarily (and quite sporadically) flickers, is when inserting / removing a floppy disk from the internal floppy drive. This has led me to deduce that there must be some flexing of the circuit connection adjacent to the LCD cabling/connector. Do your screens flicker when the machine is not being touched at all, or whilst using the keyboard etc??? Mark From cph Mon May 29 09:07:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA16236 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:07:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29894; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 09:05:29 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29531; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 09:05:28 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id JAA03416 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web119.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16561; Sun, 28 May 2000 10:08:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web119.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.120 -> web119.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 28 May 2000 10:08:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 777 invoked by uid 60001); 28 May 2000 14:08:42 -0000 Message-ID: <20000528140842.776.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web119.yahoomail.com; Sun, 28 May 2000 07:08:42 PDT Date: Sun, 28 May 2000 07:08:42 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: 4.8 Gb drive in TP760? To: peter machule Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: The problem seems to be that IBM is not consistant with their jumper settings. I looked up the pinout for the connector and they are different for the 4gb drive than the 2gb drive. One requires the jumper be on for Master, the other off for Master which causes them to not be interchangeable in the same shell. --- peter machule wrote: > Bill , I think your'e wrong on this one . ;-} > Or maybe not ....what actual caddy was this drive > put in ? > > The 2.1GB was in a "modern" shell so its flex cable > should not need surgery. > BTW only the last two pins need to be isolated on > the " old" shells , not all 4. > Since the drive and caddy work in the ultrabay this > one is a puzzler . > ie. It's not a bios thing , bad drive , bad cabling > thing. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Mon May 29 09:24:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA16280 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:24:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00770; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 09:21:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00695; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:21:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00682; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 09:21:31 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05988 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 14:21:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from harstonmail.generics.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13423 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 14:21:27 +0100 (BST) Received: by HARSTONMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 29 May 2000 14:23:37 +0100 Message-ID: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D2943A000@HARSTONMAIL> From: "Quantrill, Adam" To: Cc: thinkpad Subject: [755C] all white screen Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:23:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I've got a 755C screen where all the pixels are stuck 'on'. I've pretty much dismantled the screen but can't see any physical damage apart from a small amount of gunge on the circuit boards that I've cleaned off with Trich. The illuminator lamp works OK and I suspect that the LCD panel is also OK as it transmits white. Any ideas on this, or I'll just keep it for spare parts. - Adam From cph Mon May 29 09:33:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA16294 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:33:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01467; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:32:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 09:32:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01394; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01380; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 09:32:33 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA06097; Mon, 29 May 2000 14:32:31 +0100 (BST) Received: from harstonmail.generics.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA13598; Mon, 29 May 2000 14:32:27 +0100 (BST) Received: by HARSTONMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 29 May 2000 14:34:37 +0100 Message-ID: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D2943A001@HARSTONMAIL> From: "Quantrill, Adam" To: "'penzance@gate.net'" , Dominique Pivard Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: hard disk protection (TP600/TP600E) Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:34:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: With the proviso that if the HDD password is the same as the machine password, you don't have to enter the same string twice. So, if the 600E below has a machine password set up, you don't get asked for the disk password, but if the 600 has no passwords set up, you will get asked for the disk password. - Adam -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 8:21 AM To: Dominique Pivard Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: hard disk protection (TP600/TP600E) Dominique.. i think something else is going on.. the HDD password is SUPPOSED to work on ANY machine.. not only on the original machine that it was in when the password was set.. otherwise, a HDD password would be worthless.. Dominique Pivard wrote: > My TP600/TP600E hard disk saga goes on ;-) > > I have a TP600E with a 6.4 GB Travelstar and a TP600 with a 5.1 GB > Travelstar. Both machines are second-hand. My initial problem was related > to putting the 5.1 GB in an UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter and inserting the > whole lot in my TP600E: I was asked for a password upon booting (although > I can boot the 5.1 GB drive in the TP600 without being asked for a > password). > > Now I found out that I'm also asked for a password when I insert the 6.4 > GB drive in the TP600 (although no password is asked when the drive is in > the TP600E). > > So if I understand things correctly, both drives have been > password-protected (by a previous owner), the password seems to be linked > to the machine hosting the drive when it was created and the password is > requested only when the drive is not in its original host. Does it make > sense? > > Now the next question is: is there a way to get rid of these passwords so > that I can use my UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter? > > Thanks, Dominique > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Dominique Pivard > Kirkkonummi, Finland > ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon May 29 09:39:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA16307 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:39:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01946; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:38:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 09:38:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01873; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01744; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 09:34:57 -0400 Received: from tricent (ssh.cisco.com [171.69.10.34]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA07690 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 06:34:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tony Rice" To: Subject: RE: [OT] Re: GPS warning, DeLorme sucks! Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:34:52 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > > Concerning Delorme, what do they expect their > > customers to do anytime one breaks, throw it out and > > spend another $150 for a new one? I don't think so, Welcome to the new economy, the old rules don't apply. It's not a lawnmower or blender where it makes economic sense to fix. The availability of gizmos for the consumer is going up, the cost is going down. The complexity of these gizmos size of this gizmos is going down. All the while, the cost of labor, especially labor skilled and experienced enough to crack into these things is going up, way up. If it will cost more to repair something than replace it. It's not going to get repaired. Today electronics companies generally honor their warranties by sending out another unit. They take in returns and fix only the most obvious problems with them (loose solder points, damaged circuit boards, etc), test them out and call them refurbished and either use them to honor warranties or sell them to liquidators like Damark (anyone else get tons of those catalogues). I bought an Earthmate, used it for a week and it went bad on me. DeLorme didn't bat an eyelash before sending me a new one. It was in warranty though. If it goes bad out of warranty, I guess I'll buy a different model. This is the risk you take when you buy something that sophisticated for $150. From cph Mon May 29 09:40:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA16314 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:40:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02179; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 09:39:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02103; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02070; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 09:39:16 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (mmax6.vramp.net [198.138.8.69]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA08014; Mon, 29 May 2000 09:38:21 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Steve C." , "peter machule" Cc: Subject: RE: 4.8 Gb drive in TP760? Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 09:45:25 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000528140842.776.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Steve C. [mailto:stevec50@yahoo.com] wrote: > The problem seems to be that IBM is not consistant > with their jumper settings. I looked up the pinout > for the connector and they are different for the 4gb > drive than the 2gb drive. One requires the jumper be > on for Master, the other off for Master which causes > them to not be interchangeable in the same shell. IBM didn't change Steve, the Standard did. All drive manufacturers changed the Master/Slave jumpers between the time your 2GB drive and 4GB drives were built. Hence the problem with getting newer drives to work in "old" Thinkpad drive shells and the necessity to perform surgery on the pins. Regards, James From cph Mon May 29 10:36:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA16454 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 10:36:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04679; Mon, 29 May 2000 10:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 10:35:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04595; Mon, 29 May 2000 10:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04582; Mon, 29 May 2000 10:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from radagast.wizard.net (206.161.15.5 -> radagast.wizard.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 10:35:41 -0400 Received: from saruman.wizard.net (saruman.wizard.net [206.161.15.4]) by radagast.wizard.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA15950; Mon, 29 May 2000 10:35:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (jonathan@localhost) by saruman.wizard.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA03005; Mon, 29 May 2000 10:35:44 -0400 Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:35:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Jonathan To: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> cc: LightSide , thinkpad Subject: Re: flickering screen In-Reply-To: <200005290554_MC2-A6BA-AFF2@compuserve.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 29 May 2000, Mark Gardiner wrote: > > The only time my 755CX momentarily (and quite sporadically) flickers, is > when inserting / removing a floppy disk from the internal floppy drive. > > This has led me to deduce that there must be some flexing of the circuit > connection adjacent to the LCD cabling/connector. Do your screens flicker > when the machine is not being touched at all, or whilst using the keyboard > etc??? My 240 flickers when it isn't being touched. Some 240s (including mine) make a noise when the lid is opened - like some part in/near the hinge is being pushed out of place and then snaps back into place as the hinge moves. Related? Jonathan From cph Mon May 29 13:12:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA17062 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 13:12:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12310; Mon, 29 May 2000 13:11:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 13:10:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12166; Mon, 29 May 2000 13:10:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12152; Mon, 29 May 2000 13:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 13:10:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA27760; Mon, 29 May 2000 11:13:53 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 11:13:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Christoph Eyrich cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New TPs - keyboard temperature? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Christoph, I have a T20 for a couple of weeks. The keyboard does not pass much heat at all, except for while charging the battery. This is a welcome change >from an XL2, which radiated heat through the keys. On the subject, I am having some problems witht he T20 keyboard. Space bar has gotten stuck three times. There is also something odd going on where the pad of my fingers gets stuck *under* a key. I am keeping notes on this before I contact IBM. On Sun, 28 May 2000, Christoph Eyrich wrote: > Just wondering: How warm do the keyboards of the new TPs (T20, A20) get? > A few days ago, I saw one of those Sonys: unusable unless you like working > on a stove ... > > Regards, > > Christoph Eyrich > -- Mitchell Leben Owner of scan@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for film & print scanners. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe scan' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Mon May 29 13:25:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA17131 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 13:25:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13211; Mon, 29 May 2000 13:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 13:24:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13129; Mon, 29 May 2000 13:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13116; Mon, 29 May 2000 13:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 13:24:14 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA20472 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 10:24:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3932A766.CD46770A@stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 10:22:46 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: keyboard temperature (was New TPs - keyboard temperature?) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Older TPs get warm too. At least, my 560x gets a little warm around the keyboard, and especially at the panel directly over the hard drive (duh). I wish the 560x had better cooling - my keyboard is refusing to work properly, and I'm pretty sure it's a heat thing (it runs 24/7). Thank goodness for external keyboards. Otherwise I'd never be able to start my machine - my screen saver password used one of the keys that is currently not working. Last time it was worse - the power-on password couldn't be entered. But I digress. Benjamin P.S. Anyone got a 560 type keyboard for parts? Mitchell Leben wrote: > > Christoph, > > I have a T20 for a couple of weeks. The keyboard does not pass much heat > at all, except for while charging the battery. This is a welcome change > from an XL2, which radiated heat through the keys. > > On the subject, I am having some problems witht he T20 keyboard. Space bar > has gotten stuck three times. There is also something odd going on where > the pad of my fingers gets stuck *under* a key. I am keeping notes on this > before I contact IBM. > > On Sun, 28 May 2000, Christoph Eyrich wrote: > > > Just wondering: How warm do the keyboards of the new TPs (T20, A20) get? > > A few days ago, I saw one of those Sonys: unusable unless you like working > > on a stove ... > > > > Regards, > > > > Christoph Eyrich > > > > -- > Mitchell Leben Owner of scan@leben.com mailing > mitch@leben.com list for film & print scanners. Send > http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe scan' to majordomo@leben.com -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (even 68k) or PC without installing IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Pay or be paid via credit card, plus instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Mon May 29 13:53:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA17240 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 13:53:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14545; Mon, 29 May 2000 13:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 13:51:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14469; Mon, 29 May 2000 13:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14456; Mon, 29 May 2000 13:51:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 13:51:38 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-9.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.9]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA07752 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 20:51:36 +0300 Message-Id: <200005291751.UAA07752@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:51:43 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3930C8C5.1196F7AB@gate.net> Subject: Re: hard disk protection (TP600/TP600E) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zc List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Bill. I think you're right, something else must be going on. I just can't see why a password would be prompted by the insertion of a drive in one machine, but not in another (especially since neither machine is password-protected). I hope the 18GB Toshiba drive I just bought won't exhibit the same problem. Cheers, Dominique On Sun, 28 May 2000 at 03:20 AM you, Bill Morrow , said: >Dominique.. >i think something else is going on.. >the HDD password is SUPPOSED to work on ANY machine.. >not only on the original machine that it was in when the password was >set.. otherwise, a HDD password would be worthless.. From cph Mon May 29 14:01:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17279 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 14:01:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15170; Mon, 29 May 2000 14:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 13:59:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15015; Mon, 29 May 2000 13:59:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14999; Mon, 29 May 2000 13:59:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 13:59:19 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-9.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.9]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA08491 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 20:59:17 +0300 Message-Id: <200005291759.UAA08491@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:59:24 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D2943A001@HARSTONMAIL> Subject: RE: hard disk protection (TP600/TP600E) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zc List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for your comments. The problem is that neither machine is password protected: I have been able to boot, partition the disk, install a couple of operating systems (Win98, OS/2) on either machine. Passwords are being requested only when I swap the drives, or insert one of the drives in the other machine, using the UltraSlimBay 2nd HDD adapter. This is really weird. Let's hope the virgin Toshiba 18GB I just bought won't exhibit the same behaviour. -Dominique On Mon, 29 May 2000 at 02:34 PM you, "Quantrill, Adam" , said: >With the proviso that if the HDD password is the same as the machine >password, you don't have to enter the same string twice. >So, if the 600E below has a machine password set up, you don't get asked >for the disk password, but if the 600 has no passwords set up, you will >get asked for the disk password. > - Adam From cph Mon May 29 14:38:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17415 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 14:38:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17181; Mon, 29 May 2000 14:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 14:37:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16993; Mon, 29 May 2000 14:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zrz.tu-berlin.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16980; Mon, 29 May 2000 14:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zrz.tu-berlin.de (130.149.4.15 -> mail.zrz.TU-Berlin.DE) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 14:37:51 -0400 Received: from mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de ([130.149.237.33] ident=root) by mail.zrz.tu-berlin.de with esmtp (exim-3.14) for id 12wUQ8-0002Eq-00; Mon, 29 May 2000 20:37:48 +0200 Received: (from michey@localhost) by mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA19941 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 29 May 2000 20:36:41 +0200 Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:36:40 +0200 From: Michael Eyrich To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: keyboard temperature (was New TPs - keyboard temperature?) Message-ID: <20000529203640.A19932@mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de> References: <3932A766.CD46770A@stanford.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c" X-Mailer: Mutt 1.0.1i In-Reply-To: <3932A766.CD46770A@stanford.edu>; from benkoh@stanford.edu on Mon, May 29, 2000 at 10:22:46AM -0700 X-Operating-System: Linux mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de 2.2.13-v6-idle-fb-raid-epst Organization: FSP-PV/PRZ, TU Berlin, Germany List-Unsubscribe: --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, May 29, 2000 at 10:22:46AM -0700, Benjamin Koh wrote: | Older TPs get warm too. At least, my 560x gets a little warm around the | keyboard, and especially at the panel directly over the hard drive | (duh). I wish the 560x had better cooling - my keyboard is refusing to | work properly, and I'm pretty sure it's a heat thing (it runs 24/7). | Thank goodness for external keyboards. Otherwise I'd never be able to | start my machine - my screen saver password used one of the keys that is | currently not working. Last time it was worse - the power-on password | couldn't be entered. But I digress. I've found that it is often helpful to put something under the back of the machine to allow for circulation under the machine. Besides that I am more comfortable with the resulting angle of the keyboard ... Michael --=20 Michael Eyrich PRZ, TU-Berlin michey@prz.tu-berlin.de meyrich@acm.org Fingerprint: 4FAE 80C2 A8D2 9752 023A EABA 6FB4 EB7E 6D08 C25C --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.1 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE5Mri4b7Trfm0IwlwRAUoHAKCObrrpJL2FWPnmru39avI8FW8T5wCgiose Dr6tUsr+cFnXqq0dxJq0WPU= =EnTF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --sm4nu43k4a2Rpi4c-- From cph Mon May 29 17:30:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA18106 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 17:30:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26000; Mon, 29 May 2000 17:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 17:28:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25914; Mon, 29 May 2000 17:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25901; Mon, 29 May 2000 17:28:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 17:28:50 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA18667 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 14:28:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3932E0BB.3DCFA9AB@stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 14:27:23 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: keyboard temperature (was New TPs - keyboard temperature?) References: <3932A766.CD46770A@stanford.edu> <20000529203640.A19932@mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes, the heat circulation and keyboard angle were the main reasons I got my 560x a port replicator - not the huge Extended systems one either, but the tiny IBM one that leaves an air space under the machine. Typing is easier with the resulting incline, but the heat thing doesn't seem to have changed much - the table underneath still gets plenty warm, and my keyboard is still acting up. Benjamin Michael Eyrich wrote: > > I've found that it is often helpful to put something under the back > of the machine to allow for circulation under the machine. Besides > that I am more comfortable with the resulting angle of the keyboard ... > > Michael > > -- > Michael Eyrich PRZ, TU-Berlin > michey@prz.tu-berlin.de meyrich@acm.org > Fingerprint: 4FAE 80C2 A8D2 9752 023A EABA 6FB4 EB7E 6D08 C25C > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (even 68k) or PC without installing IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Pay or be paid via credit card, plus instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Mon May 29 17:53:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA18229 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 17:53:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26769; Mon, 29 May 2000 17:52:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 17:52:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26687; Mon, 29 May 2000 17:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demai05.mw.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26674; Mon, 29 May 2000 17:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from demai05.mw.mediaone.net (24.131.1.56 -> demai05.mw.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 17:52:02 -0400 Received: from windows (nic-30-c92-210.mw.mediaone.net [24.30.92.210]) by demai05.mw.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA00860 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 17:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003801bfc9b8$52009ac0$d25c1e18@mw.mediaone.net> From: "Starr" To: Subject: Auto DC adapter TP600/T20 Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 17:53:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: The new T20 does not list a 12v DC Automobile adapter as an accessory. I used the DC adapter with my TP600 - worked fine. Has anyone tried to use a TP600 DC adapter with a new T20? From what I can tell, the T20 input voltage is the same as TP600. Shouldn't it be able to work on the T20? Another solution is to go with a non-IBM DC adapter for the T20. Does anyone know where I could get one? Thanks. AFS From cph Mon May 29 18:18:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18335 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 18:18:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27869; Mon, 29 May 2000 18:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 18:17:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27794; Mon, 29 May 2000 18:17:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27772; Mon, 29 May 2000 18:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.110 -> pilot010.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 18:17:42 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm454-28.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.230]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA74788 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 18:17:39 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000529181453.00e05380@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:17:49 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Auto DC adapter TP600/T20 In-Reply-To: <003801bfc9b8$52009ac0$d25c1e18@mw.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: You should look at the AC adaptor you have for your T20, and see what the voltage and current ratings are. If it works, then the voltage is likely OK (though you should still check it), but you want to make sure that the current that the T20 wants isn't in excess of of what the DC adaptor is rated for. I've over stressed DC supplies before, sometimes with OK results and once with the unit smoking. --STeve Andre' At 05:53 PM 5/29/00 -0400, Starr wrote: >The new T20 does not list a 12v DC Automobile adapter as an accessory. I >used the DC adapter with my TP600 - worked fine. Has anyone tried to use a >TP600 DC adapter with a new T20? From what I can tell, the T20 input >voltage is the same as TP600. Shouldn't it be able to work on the T20? > >Another solution is to go with a non-IBM DC adapter for the T20. Does >anyone know where I could get one? > >Thanks. AFS From cph Mon May 29 20:21:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA18802 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 20:21:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01818; Mon, 29 May 2000 20:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 20:19:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01707; Mon, 29 May 2000 20:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01693; Mon, 29 May 2000 20:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mayn.de (194.145.150.13 -> airbus.mayn.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 20:19:53 -0400 Received: (qmail 29990 invoked from network); 30 May 2000 00:19:51 -0000 Received: from wuff.mayn.de (qmailr@194.145.150.17) by airbus.mayn.de with SMTP; 30 May 2000 00:19:51 -0000 Received: (qmail 13339 invoked by uid 5); 30 May 2000 00:14:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000530001425.13338.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Received: from fred by bedrock.mayn.de (UUPC/extended 1.13b) with SMTP for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:43:22 +0100 From: "Rainer Feuerstein" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:43:22 +0100 (MEZ) Reply-To: "Rainer Feuerstein" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.00.1500 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: NT4 Server on 760ED XGA List-Unsubscribe: I recently installed NT4 Server on my 760ED XGA, but neither my PCMCIA (Xircom CEM56-100) nor my CardBus (IBM EtherJet 10/100) Ethernet NIC did work. Of course I did install the PC Card Director, but after logging in, NT says the PCMCIA card was removed out of Socket 0 (or 1). The LEDs state that there is a 100 MBit connection, but I can't use it. Now I attached my Xircom Pocket Ethernet Adapter (Parallel port) - it works, but it is slooow... I know that NT *Server* is not supported on Thinkpads, but that can't be the reason why my cards are not working. Is there anybody out there who runs a similar configuration and can tell me the ressource settings (IRQ, I/O Port, ...)? Thanks for any help in advance! --- Kind regards, Rainer@Feuerstein.com From cph Mon May 29 21:17:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA19026 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:17:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03883; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 21:16:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03808; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:16:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03793; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:15:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 21:15:59 -0400 Received: from default - 63.27.134.107 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 29 May 2000 18:15:46 -0700 Message-ID: <003801bfc9d5$7522dfa0$6b861b3f@default> From: "D_R_Mohr" To: "Steve C." Cc: References: <20000529033809.18536.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Subject: Re: Anyone know of "theteam"? Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:21:56 -0500 Organization: Microsoft Corporation X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I've purchased numerous Thinkpad parts, batteries,etc. form Mary Perry and the group at "The Team" with good results. Their name is "Tech Team Computing" Address: 2065 Vestal Parkway west Vestal, NY.13850 607-785-8324 Hope this is helpful. Dave Mohr (Glow in the Dark-- Nuclear Power) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve C." To: Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 22:38 Subject: Anyone know of "theteam"? > Did someone once say that they have done business with > "theteam" as far as buying Thinkpad parts? How can I > get hold of them? They have a number of items for > sale on ebay. I tried to email them but they don't > have a valid email address listed, just the one for > some automated operation that collects money from the > bids. They also have a number of negative comments > listed which tends to make me cautious about bidding. > What are your experiences with this outfit? Thanks. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/ > From cph Mon May 29 21:22:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA19050 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:22:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04361; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 21:21:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04246; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04233; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:21:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net (192.48.96.19 -> wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 21:21:13 -0400 Received: from cheatriver.com by wodc7mr3.ffx.ops.us.uu.net with ESMTP (peer crosschecked as: 1Cust199.tnt3.morristown2.nj.da.uu.net [63.16.212.199]) id QQirir02045; Tue, 30 May 2000 01:21:01 GMT Message-ID: <393317ED.C4407324@cheatriver.com> Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:22:53 -0400 From: Kathe Robin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rainer Feuerstein CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: NT4 Server on 760ED XGA References: <20000530001425.13338.qmail@wuff.mayn.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm also running a 760ED (w/XGA) w/NT Server installed. The IBM PCMCIA Ethernet card from 5 - 6 years ago (not Cardbus) is recognized and installed automatically. A whole range of modem cards including brand new Cardbus 56K of varying protocol also have installed and worked correctly. The only IRQ problem I've seen is with the Infrared Ports, which I always disable anyway, and the fact that the XGA uses the memory address usually reserved for COM4. Max ------------------------------------------------------- email: m_robin@cheatriver.com smail: Max S. Robin, P.E. Cheat River Engineering Inc. 23 Richwood Place / P. O. Box 289 Denville, NJ 07834 - 0289 voice: 973 - 627 - 5895 fax: 973 - 627 - 5460 ------------------------------------------------------ From cph Mon May 29 21:35:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA19099 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:35:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05030; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 21:34:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04931; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04917; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 21:34:16 -0400 Received: from davidreid (tnt10-216-180-65-211.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.211]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta1/8.11.0.Beta1) with SMTP id e4U1YFG25130 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 20:34:15 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <010001bfc9d7$1d0ff580$d341b4d8@davidreid> From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: TP 770z images available? Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:33:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Evening List, I am reluctant to ask the following question as it may sound pointless to some but can anyone point me to a site which shows some more informative, pictorial information about the 770z? I spent all weekend of the long weekend, searching Nashville Tn for an IBM Thinkpad for which I could put my hands and eyeballs on prior to purchase. I merely found two, both were discontinued "i" series of very limited resources (ram/hdd etc). It's time for me to *$!+ or get off the pot . . . I'm mail ordering this week as bad as I hate to, however, before I just hand over a couple grand to a mail order house, I sure would like to see what I'll be getting. I mean besides the little 150p x 150p front view of the 770z, that is common on mail order websites. I checked the IBM site as well, no luck, even the 770 documents merely show line drawings. Thanks for your help, ______________ David Reid dwreid@hiwaay.net From cph Mon May 29 21:50:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA19162 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:50:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05945; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 21:49:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05870; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:49:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05857; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.101 -> pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 21:49:29 -0400 Received: from prodigy.net (ALBQA010-0612.splitrock.net [209.254.243.104]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA17382 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:49:27 -0400 Message-ID: <3933027C.98ECB3C5@prodigy.net> Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 19:51:26 -0400 From: Norris Smith X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (OS/2; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 730T floppy drives Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Can anyone provide the IBM part #'s or FRU #'s for the floppy drive and/or cable for the 730T ? The model #'s for other Thinkpads that use the same drive would also be helpful. Thanks Norris From cph Mon May 29 21:55:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA19175 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:55:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06345; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 21:54:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06261; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:54:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06248; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (207.181.194.97 -> oberon.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 21:54:24 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by oberon.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA70158; Mon, 29 May 2000 18:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from think2k (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA09304; Mon, 29 May 2000 18:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <005a01bfc9d9$f25b7730$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "David Reid" , "ThinkPad-L" References: <010001bfc9d7$1d0ff580$d341b4d8@davidreid> Subject: Re: TP 770z images available? Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 18:54:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: David, Despite your good intentions, you should probably consider the new A20m or A20p series ThinkPads, before paying out good $$$ for an obsolete 770 machine. Check out the IBM support site. There is also a new T series, which is targeted at the ThinkPad 600 audience. The new A series models are starting to trickle out of IBM and the A20m's do seem to be available. The A20p models seem to be late. Some are due to be delivered soon but most will not appear until July. Whatever you do, don't buy a 770 and then find out about the A series. You would definitely kick yourself. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 6:33 PM Subject: TP 770z images available? > Evening List, > > I am reluctant to ask the following question as it may sound > pointless to some but can anyone point me to a site which shows some > more informative, pictorial information about the 770z? > > I spent all weekend of the long weekend, searching Nashville Tn for > an IBM Thinkpad for which I could put my hands and eyeballs on prior > to purchase. I merely found two, both were discontinued "i" series > of very limited resources (ram/hdd etc). > > It's time for me to *$!+ or get off the pot . . . I'm mail ordering > this week as bad as I hate to, however, before I just hand over a > couple grand to a mail order house, I sure would like to see what > I'll be getting. I mean besides the little 150p x 150p front view of > the 770z, that is common on mail order websites. I checked the IBM > site as well, no luck, even the 770 documents merely show line > drawings. > > Thanks for your help, > ______________ > David Reid > dwreid@hiwaay.net > > > From cph Mon May 29 21:56:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA19179 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:56:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06569; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 21:55:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06478; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06465; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.113 -> pilot013.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 21:55:16 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm457-11.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.117]) by pilot013.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA77584 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:55:12 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000529215317.00d94b70@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:55:18 -0400 To: "ThinkPad-L" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TP 770z images available? In-Reply-To: <010001bfc9d7$1d0ff580$d341b4d8@davidreid> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: David, just playing Devil's Advocate for a minute, why do you want a 770 series unit over some of the newer ones? I'm not an expert on 770's at all so I simply don't know whats what. But given the fact that these are now discontinued units, I wonder why you want one? --STeve Andre' At 08:33 PM 5/29/00 -0500, David Reid wrote: >Evening List, > >I am reluctant to ask the following question as it may sound >pointless to some but can anyone point me to a site which shows some >more informative, pictorial information about the 770z? > >I spent all weekend of the long weekend, searching Nashville Tn for >an IBM Thinkpad for which I could put my hands and eyeballs on prior >to purchase. I merely found two, both were discontinued "i" series >of very limited resources (ram/hdd etc). > >It's time for me to *$!+ or get off the pot . . . I'm mail ordering >this week as bad as I hate to, however, before I just hand over a >couple grand to a mail order house, I sure would like to see what >I'll be getting. I mean besides the little 150p x 150p front view of >the 770z, that is common on mail order websites. I checked the IBM >site as well, no luck, even the 770 documents merely show line >drawings. > >Thanks for your help, >______________ >David Reid >dwreid@hiwaay.net From cph Mon May 29 22:01:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA19203 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 22:01:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07090; Mon, 29 May 2000 22:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 22:00:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07004; Mon, 29 May 2000 22:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06990; Mon, 29 May 2000 22:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 22:00:34 -0400 Received: from dallas (ip249.bedford2.ma.pub-ip.psi.net [38.32.10.249]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA18094 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 22:00:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: TP 770z images available? Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:00:43 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bfc9da$dcb387f0$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 In-Reply-To: <005a01bfc9d9$f25b7730$0311a8c0@detayls.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Since when is a TP770 ED/X/Z obsolete if you can get a new one at a good price? It's rare, but it does happen, and I'm still telling folks to get ED/X/Zs if they can get their hands on them, as I still consider them a high quality, proven unit. (at the right price, and having the money around, I would not hesitate to acquire another 770ED) The new A20 is nice, but guess what... it's also vapourware, and for the folks that needed one months ago "keep waiting" is probably starting to wear thin. And since they're not even "on the floor" yet the pricing hasn't even had a chance to stabilize. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: David W. Taylor [mailto:davidt@detayls.com] > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 9:54 PM > To: David Reid; ThinkPad-L > Subject: Re: TP 770z images available? > > > David, > > Despite your good intentions, you should probably consider the new A20m or > A20p series ThinkPads, before paying out good $$$ for an obsolete 770 > machine. > > Check out the IBM support site. There is also a new T series, which is > targeted at the ThinkPad 600 audience. The new A series models > are starting > to trickle out of IBM and the A20m's do seem to be available. The A20p > models seem to be late. Some are due to be delivered soon but > most will not > appear until July. > > Whatever you do, don't buy a 770 and then find out about the A > series. You > would definitely kick yourself. > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Reid" > To: "ThinkPad-L" > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 6:33 PM > Subject: TP 770z images available? > > > > Evening List, > > > > I am reluctant to ask the following question as it may sound > > pointless to some but can anyone point me to a site which shows some > > more informative, pictorial information about the 770z? > > > > I spent all weekend of the long weekend, searching Nashville Tn for > > an IBM Thinkpad for which I could put my hands and eyeballs on prior > > to purchase. I merely found two, both were discontinued "i" series > > of very limited resources (ram/hdd etc). > > > > It's time for me to *$!+ or get off the pot . . . I'm mail ordering > > this week as bad as I hate to, however, before I just hand over a > > couple grand to a mail order house, I sure would like to see what > > I'll be getting. I mean besides the little 150p x 150p front view of > > the 770z, that is common on mail order websites. I checked the IBM > > site as well, no luck, even the 770 documents merely show line > > drawings. > > > > Thanks for your help, > > ______________ > > David Reid > > dwreid@hiwaay.net > > > > > > > > From cph Mon May 29 22:01:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA19207 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 22:01:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07244; Mon, 29 May 2000 22:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 22:00:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07168; Mon, 29 May 2000 22:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA07119; Mon, 29 May 2000 22:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (204.60.6.55 -> smtp.snet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 22:00:57 -0400 Received: from snet.net (nrwc-sh10-port209.snet.net [204.60.52.209]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with ESMTP id WAA27742; Mon, 29 May 2000 22:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39332102.FBE8C4BA@snet.net> Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:01:38 -0400 From: Marc Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Norris Smith CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 730T floppy drives References: <3933027C.98ECB3C5@prodigy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello, The unit I have (one piece drive & cable) has an IBM part # of 79F6423 and an EC # of C72387 Hope this helps you out-- Marc S. From cph Mon May 29 23:04:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19369 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:04:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10305; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 23:03:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10211; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10197; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 23:03:28 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id XAA12708; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:03:26 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id XAA25303; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000529200152.00c84100@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:03:22 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: keyboard temperature (was New TPs - keyboard temperature?) In-Reply-To: <3932E0BB.3DCFA9AB@stanford.edu> References: <3932A766.CD46770A@stanford.edu> <20000529203640.A19932@mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 02:27 PM 5/29/00 -0700, you wrote: >Yes, the heat circulation and keyboard angle were the main reasons I got >my 560x a port replicator - not the huge Extended systems one either, >but the tiny IBM one that leaves an air space under the machine. Typing >is easier with the resulting incline, but the heat thing doesn't seem to >have changed much - the table underneath still gets plenty warm, and my >keyboard is still acting up. What you fail to understand is that hot underside is *meant* to be that way to act as a heat sink. Putting that air underneath there instead of allowing that heat transference to take place is interfering with that process, and unduly heating your machine's insides. From cph Mon May 29 23:16:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19420 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:16:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11024; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:15:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 23:15:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10946; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10933; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 23:15:16 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id XAA14738; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:15:15 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id XAA28364; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000529200340.00c7ea30@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:08:47 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Auto DC adapter TP600/T20 In-Reply-To: <003801bfc9b8$52009ac0$d25c1e18@mw.mediaone.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 05:53 PM 5/29/00 -0400, you wrote: >The new T20 does not list a 12v DC Automobile adapter as an accessory. I >used the DC adapter with my TP600 - worked fine. Has anyone tried to use a >TP600 DC adapter with a new T20? From what I can tell, the T20 input >voltage is the same as TP600. Shouldn't it be able to work on the T20? As long as the voltage delivery is 16V (which is true for most IBM machines, including the T20 and the TP600), that's the primary issue. The next item is whether the device can deliver the sufficient amperage that machine requires. This is somewhere around 3 amps--I suspect somewhat more so with the T20, based on the higher amperage rating of the power unit, as compared to the TP600's, but not certain. All I now is that my travel A/C adapter that I used with the TP600 (made by Targus) also works with (and charges the battery on) the T20. I'm betting the same will be the case with my DC travel charger. >Another solution is to go with a non-IBM DC adapter for the T20. Does >anyone know where I could get one? Just about anywhere from the web to Radio Shack to Fry's Electronics. I like the multi-brand ones that allow adjustment so you can use it with multiple devices (or a different laptop if you should buy a different one in the future). Make sure you can change Voltage in some manner and then make sure it can deliver sufficient Amps as required by the device you intend to use it with. The Voltage is critical (too many V's, and you blow up the machine), and the Amps are important enough just to say that if your charger can't deliver enough of them, then your machine won't work on it. - Randy From cph Mon May 29 23:35:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19490 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:35:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12253; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 23:34:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12154; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12141; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 23:34:57 -0400 Received: from netscape.net (a25.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.233]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FB425D97; Mon, 29 May 2000 20:34:54 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <393333A2.238D8FD@netscape.net> Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:21:06 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: keyboard temperature (was New TPs - keyboard temperature?) References: <3932A766.CD46770A@stanford.edu> <20000529203640.A19932@mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de> <4.2.0.58.20000529200152.00c84100@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: IBM doesn't state this anywhere I can find... and I don't think it makes a lot of sense when you study heat dispersion... The air movement should be a better way of moving heat away from the unit. We have done a lot of engineering studies in heat dispersion... only if it were a true heat sink would your statement be true. I hope you can provide additional evidence to back up your belief. From cph Mon May 29 23:39:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19501 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:39:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12779; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 23:39:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12683; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12602; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:39:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 23:39:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA05283 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:42:20 -0500 Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:42:20 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [T20 Win98SE] Getting Better All the Time Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Despite my early problems with the T20, my experience with the computer is much better with time. I now have everything I want working, with a couple of exceptions. My Logitech USB mouse will not work if plugged in before boot. A quick unplug and plug after boot and it works fine. Still no IR Hotsync with the Palm III, not sure if this is a 3com or IBM issue. Compact flash cards are now easily read with either the USB Imagemate or PCMCIA adapter. Previously I could not map a drive letter to the card, suddenly it works every time. Adaptec 1480 SCSI card works great with a Yamaha CDRW and Fujitsu MO drive hooked up. I can burn CDs in the background with no apparent slowdown to the system. CDR performance is great from the HD or built in DVD, DAE on the DVD is flawless so far. Still evaluating DVD playback performance. Most DVDs play back smoothly, some are jerky. It might be a battery/AC issue, will have to try it a few more times to be certain. The suspend feature is now working great. Now the machine wakes up when I want it to (I had earlier problems with the screen not comming back). Sometimes I can stay logged into an NT domain, sometimes I must reboot - log out does not work. TCP/IP appears to work fine after a suspend. Screen blanking is still a bit odd, it kills the sound and will not stay blank (keeps popping back up). Video performance is wonderful :) I can hook into an external 21" and run the desktop across both screens. 1280x1024, 16 bit color, 85 Hz on the external is rock solid. Photoshop 5.0 is quite snappy, as long as file size is kept reasonable. 128M is OK for now, but I really hate to use the swap file if I don't have to. Crucial memory upgrade to follow. So all in all I am quite happy with the new machine. Yes a few quirks, but in general a fine computer. -- Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Mon May 29 23:49:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19541 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:49:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13774; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 23:49:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13625; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13611; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 23:49:00 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id XAA19596; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:48:59 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id XAA06119; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:48:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000529203739.00a3ecc0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:43:05 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: keyboard temperature (was New TPs - keyboard temperature?) In-Reply-To: <39333218.5B22E9BA@stanford.edu> References: <3932A766.CD46770A@stanford.edu> <20000529203640.A19932@mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de> <4.2.0.58.20000529200152.00c84100@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:14 PM 5/29/00 -0700, you wrote: > In such a case, what would you recommend doing? I'm sure IBM > tested the >560 series with their port replicators... I don't have any big metal >plates lying around I could use as a sink for the 560x underside. Any >suggestions? I'm fairly sure using it flat on a desktop was what caused >the heat buildup that caused the first keyboard to die. Or I may be just >unlucky to get 2 bad keyboards. I don't know :-( Its possible that if you get good airflow underneath, that it would still do the job. But the ideal is the get good thermal *contact* and wick away the heat that way (of course, that also means a reasonably good thermal conductor to transfer the heat away. I owned a 560 (original version) and yes, it did indeed get pretty hot under there. But I question whether your efforts to elevate the base will solve the problem--or make it even worse (internally) by interfering with a design that I believe was meant to act as a heat sink. From cph Mon May 29 23:50:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19545 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:50:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13794; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 29 May 2000 23:49:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13671; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:49:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13631; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 29 May 2000 23:49:02 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id XAA19600; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:49:00 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id XAA06125; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000529204322.00c94220@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:48:26 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: keyboard temperature (was New TPs - keyboard temperature?) In-Reply-To: <393333A2.238D8FD@netscape.net> References: <3932A766.CD46770A@stanford.edu> <20000529203640.A19932@mekk.prz.tu-berlin.de> <4.2.0.58.20000529200152.00c84100@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:21 PM 5/29/00 -0700, you wrote: >IBM doesn't state this anywhere I can find... Not meaning to be a nitpicker, but there are all *sorts* of things IBM doesn't state. > and I don't think it >makes a lot of sense when you study heat dispersion... The air >movement should be a better way of moving heat away from the unit. Air *movement* being the key point here. > We >have done a lot of engineering studies in heat dispersion... only if >it were a true heat sink would your statement be true. I hope you can >provide additional evidence to back up your belief. I can't. But unless your airspace underneath is backed up by actual air *flow*, then on its face it is obvious from your basic thermodynamics that contact is a better heat transferring mechanism than stale air is (stale air being a pretty darn good heat insulator). So put a fan underneath there, otherwise its just making the problem worse. From cph Tue May 30 01:19:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA20020 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 01:19:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18406; Tue, 30 May 2000 01:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 01:17:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18243; Tue, 30 May 2000 01:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18230; Tue, 30 May 2000 01:17:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 01:17:01 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id BAA29476; Tue, 30 May 2000 01:17:00 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id BAA23117; Tue, 30 May 2000 01:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000529221023.00a3b690@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 22:16:51 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: T20: Battery Run Time Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Well now that I've had the chance to run a couple of cycles on a battery, I feel quite confident in telling people that under reasonable circumstances, you can expect at *least* 3 1/2 hours on a single battery, and perhaps more. One the first try, I got just a little under 3 1/2 with a *lot* of drive access--I installed Norton System Works software and then ran various diagnostics & disk-instensive stuff. Installing required a *lot* of DVD access, and then running the software required using a *lot* more HD access than I usually do (like defragging). On the second try, I got fully 3:35+, mainly just doing e-mail (offline for 1 hour, then on-line for the balance, using the built-in NIC card), Excel, and my ACT database, along with some web access. Pretty much full power-saving modes (screen brightness all the way down, etc.). I never expected 4 hours as is claimed (its just not reasonable to expect the full time--I learned that years ago), but in excess of 3 1/2 hours...that's pretty impressive. Fully 1 more hour (and change) than I could get with the slower (and less-bright screen) on the TP600. - Randy From cph Tue May 30 02:27:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA20328 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 02:27:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21133; Tue, 30 May 2000 02:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 02:24:52 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20989; Tue, 30 May 2000 02:24:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 02:24:51 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id CAA14033 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 30 May 2000 02:24:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16353; Tue, 30 May 2000 00:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (207.181.194.97 -> oberon.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 00:31:15 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by oberon.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA12229; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from think2k (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA12198; Mon, 29 May 2000 21:31:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007c01bfc9ef$dbdf1460$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Mike Capone" , "thinkpads2" References: <000001bfc9da$dcb387f0$1b00a8c0@dallas> Subject: Re: TP 770z images available? Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 21:31:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: What particular syllable of the word "obsolete" is causing the problem? The 770 series is already obsolete. A 770 would still provide use for certain applications bit would, frankly, be terrible value for money. If there is one rule in this business, it is " buy the best that you can afford at the time that you are buying technology. Anything that was designed more than 24 months ago is already ancient history." >From a resale value point of view the entire 600/770 line is kaput. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 7:00 PM Subject: RE: TP 770z images available? > > Since when is a TP770 ED/X/Z obsolete if you > can get a new one at a good price? > > It's rare, but it does happen, and I'm still telling folks > to get ED/X/Zs if they can get their hands on them, as I still > consider them a high quality, proven unit. (at the right price, and > having the money around, I would not hesitate to acquire another > 770ED) > > The new A20 is nice, but guess what... it's also vapourware, and > for the folks that needed one months ago "keep waiting" is probably > starting to wear thin. And since they're not even "on the floor" yet > the pricing hasn't even had a chance to stabilize. > > -Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David W. Taylor [mailto:davidt@detayls.com] > > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 9:54 PM > > To: David Reid; ThinkPad-L > > Subject: Re: TP 770z images available? > > > > > > David, > > > > Despite your good intentions, you should probably consider the new A20m or > > A20p series ThinkPads, before paying out good $$$ for an obsolete 770 > > machine. > > > > Check out the IBM support site. There is also a new T series, which is > > targeted at the ThinkPad 600 audience. The new A series models > > are starting > > to trickle out of IBM and the A20m's do seem to be available. The A20p > > models seem to be late. Some are due to be delivered soon but > > most will not > > appear until July. > > > > Whatever you do, don't buy a 770 and then find out about the A > > series. You > > would definitely kick yourself. > > > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Reid" > > To: "ThinkPad-L" > > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 6:33 PM > > Subject: TP 770z images available? > > > > > > > Evening List, > > > > > > I am reluctant to ask the following question as it may sound > > > pointless to some but can anyone point me to a site which shows some > > > more informative, pictorial information about the 770z? > > > > > > I spent all weekend of the long weekend, searching Nashville Tn for > > > an IBM Thinkpad for which I could put my hands and eyeballs on prior > > > to purchase. I merely found two, both were discontinued "i" series > > > of very limited resources (ram/hdd etc). > > > > > > It's time for me to *$!+ or get off the pot . . . I'm mail ordering > > > this week as bad as I hate to, however, before I just hand over a > > > couple grand to a mail order house, I sure would like to see what > > > I'll be getting. I mean besides the little 150p x 150p front view of > > > the 770z, that is common on mail order websites. I checked the IBM > > > site as well, no luck, even the 770 documents merely show line > > > drawings. > > > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > ______________ > > > David Reid > > > dwreid@hiwaay.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Tue May 30 02:28:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA20332 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 02:28:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21449; Tue, 30 May 2000 02:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 02:28:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21376; Tue, 30 May 2000 02:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21363; Tue, 30 May 2000 02:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 02:28:14 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23765 for ; Mon, 29 May 2000 23:28:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39335F26.9D525A9E@stanford.edu> Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 23:26:46 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TP List Subject: Re: Battery run times (was T20: Battery Run Time) References: <4.2.0.58.20000529221023.00a3b690@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've found that one good way to gauge "real" battery life, at least on my 560x, is to play MP3s nonstop. With 200-300 songs, the battery will run out long before the playlist does. When I first got my 560x I got 1:45 (with all power saving disabled) every single time. I'm sure the battery life has decreased since then, but haven't bothered to measure it. It does last quite a bit longer at 1/2 speed though - never measured it, but over 3 hours. So I have a worst case scenario, and basically work on that, but use the power saving features to "borrow" working time. Benjamin Randal Whittle wrote: > > Well now that I've had the chance to run a couple of cycles on a battery, > I feel quite confident in telling people that under reasonable > circumstances, you can expect at *least* 3 1/2 hours on a single battery, > and perhaps more. > > One the first try, I got just a little under 3 1/2 with a *lot* of drive > access--I installed Norton System Works software and then ran various > diagnostics & disk-instensive stuff. Installing required a *lot* of DVD > access, and then running the software required using a *lot* more HD access > than I usually do (like defragging). > > On the second try, I got fully 3:35+, mainly just doing e-mail (offline > for 1 hour, then on-line for the balance, using the built-in NIC card), > Excel, and my ACT database, along with some web access. Pretty much full > power-saving modes (screen brightness all the way down, etc.). > > I never expected 4 hours as is claimed (its just not reasonable to expect > the full time--I learned that years ago), but in excess of 3 1/2 > hours...that's pretty impressive. Fully 1 more hour (and change) than I > could get with the slower (and less-bright screen) on the TP600. > > - Randy -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (even 68k) or PC without installing IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Pay or be paid via credit card, plus instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Tue May 30 05:47:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA20909 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 05:47:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA05127; Tue, 30 May 2000 05:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 05:44:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04916; Tue, 30 May 2000 05:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04899; Tue, 30 May 2000 05:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 05:44:54 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA10874 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 10:44:46 +0100 (BST) Received: from harstonmail.generics.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26628 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 10:44:46 +0100 (BST) Received: by HARSTONMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 30 May 2000 10:46:58 +0100 Message-ID: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D2943A004@HARSTONMAIL> From: "Quantrill, Adam" To: thinkpad Subject: RE: [755CX] unreliable k/b mouse button - suggestions? Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:46:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I've got a 755CX where the left mouse button works about 50% of the time - which is really irritating. Has anyone taken one of these keyboards apart? Presumably there is a small 'dimple' style switch under the button - if I could either clean it or swap left and right then I'd be OK. Alternatively, would a keyboard remap program allow me to use a couple of the keyboard buttons with the Fn key, for example? Another possibility is to use my old 755C keyboard in the CX, they look fairly similar right doen to the ribbon cables. - Adam From cph Tue May 30 06:23:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA21141 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 06:23:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11507; Tue, 30 May 2000 06:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 06:21:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11407; Tue, 30 May 2000 06:21:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11394; Tue, 30 May 2000 06:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.32 -> smtp.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 06:21:36 -0400 Received: from s3212.south-green.ohiou.edu (HELO daveb) (132.235.155.212) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2000 03:20:52 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Dave B." To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Short portable computing survey Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 06:20:50 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Please excuse this spam, especially those who are on both the ThinkPad and PictureBook lists. I would normally never bother such a large group of people with this, but you're my "target market," so to speak. For one of my marketing classes, I'm trying to gather some very general information on mobile computing. To this end, I've made a little Web-based survey form which should take about a minute of your time to complete. Your name, e-mail address, and other personal information is in no way linked to this survey -- in fact, I don't even ask for that information. I have no way of obtaining any information or data other than what you provide on the form. The survey can be found at: http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~db108494/portable.html . Please do not bother filling this out after about 11:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time today, 30 May, 2000, as it will be of no use to me after that time. (Nothing like waiting until the last minute, eh?) If you must, you may send flames about this spam directly to me instead of cluttering the list. (Or even better, if you are not interested, please simply delete this message and forgive my temporary lapse in netiquette.) Thank you very much for your time and help! Dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Tue May 30 07:05:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA21902 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 07:05:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13178; Tue, 30 May 2000 07:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 07:03:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13035; Tue, 30 May 2000 07:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA13009; Tue, 30 May 2000 07:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.134 -> ds-img-1.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 07:03:47 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id HAA22373 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 30 May 2000 07:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 07:03:29 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: LIst of FRU's ??? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200005300703_MC2-A6D0-66E0@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id HAA21903 Does anyone have a list or know of site for downloading a list of the FRU's or Part Numbers for IBM Thinkpad stuff? It would be helpful in identifying compatibility of components... Cheers Mark From cph Tue May 30 10:11:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA24503 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 10:11:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24085; Tue, 30 May 2000 10:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 10:09:03 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA23935; Tue, 30 May 2000 10:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 10:09:03 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id KAA07220 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 30 May 2000 10:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04862; Tue, 30 May 2000 05:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 05:44:27 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p05.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.98]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA02195 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 02:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 02:44:25 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200005300944.CAA02195@ritchie.loop.com> Message-Id: <200005300944.CAA02195@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" Resent-From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" X-Original-To: "Marvin Nakayama" Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 02:44:12 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: off-topic: outlook express List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 25 May 2000 11:53:49 -0400 (EDT), Marvin Nakayama wrote: >Sorry, this is post is a bit off topic, but I can't >figure out how to solve my problem. I had to re-install >Win98SE on my Thinkpad 770 (so this post has something >to do with thinkpads :) ). >Before I did the reinstall, I copied my entire C: partition >to my D: partition and then reformatted my C: drive. After >the re-install of Win98, I now want to set up Outlook Express 5 >so that it's just like before, i.e., I want all of my >old e-mails, newsgroups, address book, etc. >I assume that all of this information is somewhere >in my backed-up C: drive, but I can't find it. >Does anyone know how I can do this? >From what it looks like in Win98, the data should be in c:\windows\application data\microsoft\outlook express I don't know if you need anything from the registry to restore; I doubt it. Being that I work in tech support for Earthlink, I come across this stuff every day. Paul From cph Tue May 30 10:40:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA24938 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 10:40:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26457; Tue, 30 May 2000 10:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 10:39:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26370; Tue, 30 May 2000 10:39:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26350; Tue, 30 May 2000 10:39:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from smtppop1.gte.net (206.46.170.20 -> smtppop1pub.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 10:39:15 -0400 Received: from smtp.gte.net (dfiatx99-133.dsl.gtei.net [4.3.99.133]) by smtppop1.gte.net with SMTP ; id JAA34819222 Tue, 30 May 2000 09:37:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <200005301437.JAA34819222@smtppop1.gte.net> To: Norris Smith , Thinkpad List Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer for OS/2 (Green Edition Ver 3.0) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 09:38:43 Reply-To: m.o.davis@gte.net Subject: 730T floppy drives List-Unsubscribe: Addressed to: Norris Smith Thinkpad List ** Reply to note from Norris Smith Mon, 29 May 2000 19:51:26 -0400 > Can anyone provide the IBM part #'s or FRU #'s for the floppy drive > and/or cable for the 730T ? I have a pdf file here that lists the floppy drive as 48G8263. I recently purchased a cable from IBM Parts (800-388-7080) that is listed on the invoice as part #25H4879. I use it with the floppy drive that came with my 701C. Mark in San Angelo m.o.davis@gte.net 05/30/00, 09:38:40 From cph Tue May 30 11:48:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA25976 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 11:48:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02933; Tue, 30 May 2000 11:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 11:46:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02810; Tue, 30 May 2000 11:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinmx1.bpd.harris.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02796; Tue, 30 May 2000 11:46:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinmx1.bpd.harris.com (137.237.241.19 -> cinmx1.bpd.harris.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 11:46:02 -0400 Received: by cinmx1.bpd.harris.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 30 May 2000 11:45:51 -0400 Message-ID: <075B619E4C6FD2118A4800A0C9E1D0A10101E60C@cinmx1.bpd.harris.com> From: "Chalk, Richard" To: "'David W. Taylor'" , "'Mike Capone'" , "'thinkpads2'" Subject: RE: TP 770z images available? Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:45:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: This is an intersting, but perhaps narrow, point of view. My understanding is that the top-of-the-line machine costs about $4500 or so. Historically, in one year it will have depreciated to about $2500-3000, making the first year cost-of-ownership $1500-2000. You can buy a 770Z, with the SXGA screen, slightly used for about $2500, and in one year it will probably bring about $1500-1800, so the cost of ownership is about 50% of the cost of the new one. I have a 770Z, and the only difference I can see is that the new one is a little faster, has a slightly larger screen, and a larger HardDrive. I find that Windows 2000 loads flawlessly, all hardware is found and set up, with only one driver from IBM required. Furthermore, it has built-in Hardware MPEG decoding for DVDs, Video Capture, NTSC Video Out, and Dolby Digital out, all included. One definition of "Obsolete" is "no longer in use - discarded" Another is "superceded - replaced with something newer" It all depends on your point of view, I guess... Richard -----Original Message----- From: David W. Taylor [mailto:davidt@detayls.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 12:31 AM To: Mike Capone; thinkpads2 Subject: Re: TP 770z images available? What particular syllable of the word "obsolete" is causing the problem? The 770 series is already obsolete. A 770 would still provide use for certain applications bit would, frankly, be terrible value for money. If there is one rule in this business, it is " buy the best that you can afford at the time that you are buying technology. Anything that was designed more than 24 months ago is already ancient history." >From a resale value point of view the entire 600/770 line is kaput. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 7:00 PM Subject: RE: TP 770z images available? > > Since when is a TP770 ED/X/Z obsolete if you > can get a new one at a good price? > > It's rare, but it does happen, and I'm still telling folks > to get ED/X/Zs if they can get their hands on them, as I still > consider them a high quality, proven unit. (at the right price, and > having the money around, I would not hesitate to acquire another > 770ED) > > The new A20 is nice, but guess what... it's also vapourware, and > for the folks that needed one months ago "keep waiting" is probably > starting to wear thin. And since they're not even "on the floor" yet > the pricing hasn't even had a chance to stabilize. > > -Mike > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David W. Taylor [mailto:davidt@detayls.com] > > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 9:54 PM > > To: David Reid; ThinkPad-L > > Subject: Re: TP 770z images available? > > > > > > David, > > > > Despite your good intentions, you should probably consider the new A20m or > > A20p series ThinkPads, before paying out good $$$ for an obsolete 770 > > machine. > > > > Check out the IBM support site. There is also a new T series, which is > > targeted at the ThinkPad 600 audience. The new A series models > > are starting > > to trickle out of IBM and the A20m's do seem to be available. The A20p > > models seem to be late. Some are due to be delivered soon but > > most will not > > appear until July. > > > > Whatever you do, don't buy a 770 and then find out about the A > > series. You > > would definitely kick yourself. > > > > David > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "David Reid" > > To: "ThinkPad-L" > > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 6:33 PM > > Subject: TP 770z images available? > > > > > > > Evening List, > > > > > > I am reluctant to ask the following question as it may sound > > > pointless to some but can anyone point me to a site which shows some > > > more informative, pictorial information about the 770z? > > > > > > I spent all weekend of the long weekend, searching Nashville Tn for > > > an IBM Thinkpad for which I could put my hands and eyeballs on prior > > > to purchase. I merely found two, both were discontinued "i" series > > > of very limited resources (ram/hdd etc). > > > > > > It's time for me to *$!+ or get off the pot . . . I'm mail ordering > > > this week as bad as I hate to, however, before I just hand over a > > > couple grand to a mail order house, I sure would like to see what > > > I'll be getting. I mean besides the little 150p x 150p front view of > > > the 770z, that is common on mail order websites. I checked the IBM > > > site as well, no luck, even the 770 documents merely show line > > > drawings. > > > > > > Thanks for your help, > > > ______________ > > > David Reid > > > dwreid@hiwaay.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Tue May 30 12:08:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26242 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:08:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04946; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 12:07:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04845; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04831; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:07:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 12:07:15 -0400 Received: from iso.net (dial32.auto-net.com [208.154.252.81]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA91583 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 10:58:47 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <3934034C.8520B64F@iso.net> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:07:08 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 730T floppy drives References: <3933027C.98ECB3C5@prodigy.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I am using an external drive on my 730T that was meant for the 750/755/760/765 series. The #s are: FRU - 46H5749; P/N - 46H5748. It has an intergral cable. Works fine. Bill Norris Smith wrote: > Can anyone provide the IBM part #'s or FRU #'s for the floppy drive > and/or cable for the 730T ? The model #'s for other Thinkpads that use > the same drive would also be helpful. > > Thanks Norris From cph Tue May 30 12:56:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA26780 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:56:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10021; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 12:54:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09905; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:54:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09892; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (129.250.36.41 -> dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 12:54:17 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12wpHQ-0003I9-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:54:12 +0000 Received: from [209.107.90.90] (helo=STL) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 12wpHO-0003wJ-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:54:11 +0000 Message-ID: <012501bfca59$21de9a80$0a00a8c0@wwa.com> Reply-To: "Matt Winston" From: "Matt Winston" To: References: Subject: Re: TP730T floppy drive Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:04:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I'm using the external floppy for a ThinkPad 760, bought inexpensively on ebay. Works just fine, The key is to get a floppy cable connector that has the same size mini connectors on each end. The connector on the external floppy drive is the same size as the TP730T docking station. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 11:15 AM Subject: thinkpad digest for Tue, 30 May 2000 > Submissions for the thinkpad list should be sent to thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > (When replying, please edit your Subject line so that it doesn't say: > "Re: thinkpad digest for...") > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Today's topics: > > Re: New TPs - keyboard temperature? (Mitchell Leben) > Re: keyboard temperature (was New TPs - keyboard temperature?) (Benjamin Koh) > Re: hard disk protection (TP600/TP600E) (Dominique Pivard) > RE: hard disk protection (TP600/TP600E) (Dominique Pivard) > Re: keyboard temperature (was New TPs - keyboard temperature?) (Michael Eyrich) > Re: keyboard temperature (was New TPs - keyboard temperature?) (Benjamin Koh) > Auto DC adapter TP600/T20 (Starr) > Re: Auto DC adapter TP600/T20 (STeve Andre') > NT4 Server on 760ED XGA (Rainer Feuerstein) > Re: Anyone know of "theteam"? (D_R_Mohr) > Re: NT4 Server on 760ED XGA (Kathe Robin) > TP 770z images available? (David Reid) > 730T floppy drives (Norris Smith) > Re: TP 770z images available? (David W. Taylor) > Re: TP 770z images available? (STeve Andre') > RE: TP 770z images available? (Mike Capone) > Re: 730T floppy drives (Marc Swanson) > Re: keyboard temperature (was New TPs - keyboard temperature?) (Randal Whittle) > Re: Auto DC adapter TP600/T20 (Randal Whittle) > Re: keyboard temperature (was New TPs - keyboard temperature?) (Ray Bay) > [T20 Win98SE] Getting Better All the Time (Mitchell Leben) > Re: keyboard temperature (was New TPs - keyboard temperature?) (Randal Whittle) > Re: keyboard temperature (was New TPs - keyboard temperature?) (Randal Whittle) > T20: Battery Run Time (Randal Whittle) > Re: TP 770z images available? (David W. Taylor) > Re: Battery run times (was T20: Battery Run Time) (Benjamin Koh) > RE: [755CX] unreliable k/b mouse button - suggestions? (Quantrill, Adam) > Short portable computing survey (Dave B.) > LIst of FRU's ??? (Mark Gardiner) > Re: off-topic: outlook express (Paul Khoury) > 730T floppy drives (m.o.davis@gte.net) > RE: TP 770z images available? (Chalk, Richard) > Re: 730T floppy drives (William Van Tuyl) > From cph Tue May 30 13:18:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA27123 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 13:18:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17469; Tue, 30 May 2000 13:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 13:13:26 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16939; Tue, 30 May 2000 13:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 13:13:24 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id NAA09130 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 30 May 2000 13:13:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28727; Tue, 30 May 2000 11:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (38.8.22.2 -> relay21.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 11:03:46 -0400 Received: from [204.215.186.11] (helo=ntmail.doble.com) by relay21.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 1.90 #1) id 12wnY1-0006ae-00; Tue, 30 May 2000 11:03:14 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 30 May 2000 10:45:52 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'Steve C.'" , tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: GPS warning, DeLorme sucks! Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 10:45:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Read my FAQ on the Tripmate. http://vancouver-webpages.com/pub/peter/tripmate.faq Basically when you hook it up it will spit out an "ASTRAL" text string. You need send the string back to the unit to get it spitting out NMEA sentences. The unit uses the two chip Zodiac chipset so there is not much additional on the board other than antenna, power regulator, and rs-232. The earthmate uses a non-nmea binary protocol. The frequencies involved are in the 1500 MHz region so the patch antenna used is correct. You need something with wide coverage of the sky. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU -----Original Message----- From: Steve C. [mailto:stevec50@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 11:43 PM To: tetsujin@users.sourceforge.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: GPS warning, DeLorme sucks! George, you work at Delorme? I don't know about the Earthmate, that's a newer model than the Tripmate. Do you know if it's possible to get a schematic diagram or chip pinouts? I was trying to figure out what's wrong with it but I don't have specs on most of the Rockwell chips. The serial interface seems to work, returns some text but no coordinates, like the receiver is dead. The circuit board looks well made but I wasn't too impressed with the antenna, which is just a square of pc board material. No wonder it wasn't able to pick up anything on the dash of my car! Does the Earthmate have a real antenna that works? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Tue May 30 14:36:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA28483 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:36:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28492; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 14:33:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28182; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28169; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.122 -> pilot022.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 14:33:03 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (symposium.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.43]) by pilot022.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA12956 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:32:59 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000530143038.00dfbd10@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:33:47 -0400 To: thiNKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: How standard are floppy drives on ThinkPads? In-Reply-To: <003801bfc9d5$7522dfa0$6b861b3f@default> References: <20000529033809.18536.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: As somehing a little more than idle curiosity, I am wondering if it's at all likely that I could change the 1.44M floppy in my i Series 1480 for a 2.88M drive. Are the disk drives generally physically compatible with each other? I don't see any listing in the bios for floppies; indeed all I see is a display that I have a 1.44 with no choice. If I were to find a 2.88 drive, I wonder if I'd be able to talk with it. Any guesses? Thanks! --STeve Andre' From cph Tue May 30 14:47:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA28678 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:47:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29887; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:46:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 14:46:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29812; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:46:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29799; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 14:46:09 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-67.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.67]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA15276 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:45:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000530144643.01479b80@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 14:46:43 -0700 To: From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: TP 770z images available? In-Reply-To: <007c01bfc9ef$dbdf1460$0311a8c0@detayls.com> References: <000001bfc9da$dcb387f0$1b00a8c0@dallas> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: The word, "obsolete," is subjective when determining the usability and viability of a computer system for a user. It is known that as soon as you buy a unit, it is already obsolete and yesterday's news in the fast changing world of computers. Trying to stay cutting edge is an exercise in futility. What is important is usability requirements for a user. Many users still use and are fully functional with 770, 765, 760 and 755 series units. I have a friend who uses his 701c with Win95b for everything on the go with 40 megs of memory and a 2.1gig HD. He always buys technology a few cycles behind and everything runs just fine for him. Most of my friends still push Pentiums and lower end P2's and are more than content. My brother is running a Celeron 333a and my other brother is using a Celeron 366a. Instead of jumping on the technological bandwagon, users need to see exactly what they want and need and routinely evaluate their equipment. Really ask, "why am I upgrading. What part of my system's performance is lacking? Is this a waste of money?" Doing this will save them a bundle. If a 770 or 600 series machine (new or used out there), will readily meet their needs (and in some cases is overkill), save them $2000+, and offer them a viable platform for years, why not do it? Win2k runs really nice on 770's and 600's. I am sure Windows Millenium will run just as well. Now, if a user looks at the A or T series units and sees a viable reason to them to upgrade or go with the current, then by all means they should. But you can't just deem a series outdated when there are many other issues to contemplate for determining a system's worth to a user. Mark At 09:31 PM 05/29/2000 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: >What particular syllable of the word "obsolete" is causing the problem? > >The 770 series is already obsolete. A 770 would still provide use for >certain applications bit would, frankly, be terrible value for money. > >If there is one rule in this business, it is " buy the best that you can >afford at the time that you are buying technology. Anything that was >designed more than 24 months ago is already ancient history." > >From a resale value point of view the entire 600/770 line is kaput. > >David > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mike Capone" >To: "thinkpads2" >Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 7:00 PM >Subject: RE: TP 770z images available? > > >> >> Since when is a TP770 ED/X/Z obsolete if you >> can get a new one at a good price? >> >> It's rare, but it does happen, and I'm still telling folks >> to get ED/X/Zs if they can get their hands on them, as I still >> consider them a high quality, proven unit. (at the right price, and >> having the money around, I would not hesitate to acquire another >> 770ED) >> >> The new A20 is nice, but guess what... it's also vapourware, and >> for the folks that needed one months ago "keep waiting" is probably >> starting to wear thin. And since they're not even "on the floor" yet >> the pricing hasn't even had a chance to stabilize. >> >> -Mike >> >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: David W. Taylor [mailto:davidt@detayls.com] >> > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 9:54 PM >> > To: David Reid; ThinkPad-L >> > Subject: Re: TP 770z images available? >> > >> > >> > David, >> > >> > Despite your good intentions, you should probably consider the new A20m >or >> > A20p series ThinkPads, before paying out good $$$ for an obsolete 770 >> > machine. >> > >> > Check out the IBM support site. There is also a new T series, which is >> > targeted at the ThinkPad 600 audience. The new A series models >> > are starting >> > to trickle out of IBM and the A20m's do seem to be available. The A20p >> > models seem to be late. Some are due to be delivered soon but >> > most will not >> > appear until July. >> > >> > Whatever you do, don't buy a 770 and then find out about the A >> > series. You >> > would definitely kick yourself. >> > >> > David >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "David Reid" >> > To: "ThinkPad-L" >> > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 6:33 PM >> > Subject: TP 770z images available? >> > >> > >> > > Evening List, >> > > >> > > I am reluctant to ask the following question as it may sound >> > > pointless to some but can anyone point me to a site which shows some >> > > more informative, pictorial information about the 770z? >> > > >> > > I spent all weekend of the long weekend, searching Nashville Tn for >> > > an IBM Thinkpad for which I could put my hands and eyeballs on prior >> > > to purchase. I merely found two, both were discontinued "i" series >> > > of very limited resources (ram/hdd etc). >> > > >> > > It's time for me to *$!+ or get off the pot . . . I'm mail ordering >> > > this week as bad as I hate to, however, before I just hand over a >> > > couple grand to a mail order house, I sure would like to see what >> > > I'll be getting. I mean besides the little 150p x 150p front view of >> > > the 770z, that is common on mail order websites. I checked the IBM >> > > site as well, no luck, even the 770 documents merely show line >> > > drawings. >> > > >> > > Thanks for your help, >> > > ______________ >> > > David Reid >> > > dwreid@hiwaay.net >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue May 30 15:00:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA28874 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 15:00:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01416; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:59:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 14:58:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01336; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3504.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01322; Tue, 30 May 2000 14:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3504.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.71 -> web3504.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 14:58:53 -0400 Message-ID: <20000530185851.26855.qmail@web3504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [157.252.142.213] by web3504.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 30 May 2000 11:58:51 PDT Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 11:58:51 -0700 (PDT) From: David Howery Subject: Hello Again Fellow ThinkPaders To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Hello: I am back after about a six month absence from the list. Many of you may not remember me since I didn't write much...mostly lurked. I have a new ThinkPad 9549-8BU. For those of you who don't read "IBM Speak" that's a ThinkPad 770Z with 14 Gig. HD, Hi-Res 13.7" TFT running NT. My only options are maxed out memory at 320 Meg, a SelecaBase 770 (port replicator) and a 3Com 10/100 LAN CardBus PC Card. And for those of you who do remember me - yes I still have my trusty old TP 701 "Butterfly." I simply couldn't bear to part with it. It's a DX 75 with two 7.20 meg Hds one running OS/2 the other Win 95. Its running 24/7 processing work units for the SETI@home project; about one work unit every 6 and a half days vs. the TP 770Z at one every 14 hours. ===== David Howery Granby, Connecticut USA eMail - davidhowery@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Tue May 30 15:08:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA28977 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 15:08:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02395; Tue, 30 May 2000 15:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 15:06:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02285; Tue, 30 May 2000 15:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02272; Tue, 30 May 2000 15:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 15:06:48 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA51133; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:06:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from think2k (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA45576; Tue, 30 May 2000 12:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001b01bfca6a$34f3a4b0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , "Mark Bell" References: <000001bfc9da$dcb387f0$1b00a8c0@dallas> <3.0.6.32.20000530144643.01479b80@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: TP 770z images available? Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 12:06:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: OK, let's try this "obsolete" thing another way. On May 1 2000 IBM announced a new set of ThinkPad models. They also stated quite clearly that the A series would be the replacement for the 770 line and the T series would be the replacement for the 600 line. Clearly, a month later, 770's and 600's all over the globe are still functioning happily and their users are computing their little hearts out. The thing that changed was that these computers were *instantly* worth a lot less money to everyone involved in buying and selling them. There is always a time lag between the market catching up with this change, because the units are still in inventory in warehouses and sitting on people's desks. Slowly vendors will flush out this inventory and will need to charge their customers less to do that. Some customers will be more than happy to make do with these units at "attractive" prices. The fact remains however that as of the announcement, the price that anyone selling one of these models can command is considerably reduced. Be careful not to get caught unawares and pay more than you have to. Also be aware, that the price of used units has dropped as well. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Bell" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 2:46 PM Subject: Re: TP 770z images available? > The word, "obsolete," is subjective when determining the usability and > viability of a computer system for a user. It is known that as soon as > you buy a unit, it is already obsolete and yesterday's news in the fast > changing world of computers. Trying to stay cutting edge is an exercise > in futility. > > What is important is usability requirements for a user. Many users still > use and > are fully functional with 770, 765, 760 and 755 series units. I have a > friend who uses his 701c with Win95b for everything on the go with 40 > megs of memory and a 2.1gig HD. He always buys technology a few cycles behind > and everything runs just fine for him. Most of my friends still push Pentiums > and lower end P2's and are more than content. My brother is running a > Celeron 333a > and my other brother is using a Celeron 366a. Instead of jumping on the > technological > bandwagon, users need to see exactly what they want and need and routinely > evaluate their equipment. Really ask, "why am I upgrading. What part of my > system's performance is lacking? Is this a waste of money?" Doing this > will save them a bundle. If a 770 or 600 series machine (new or used out > there), will readily meet their needs (and in some cases is overkill), save > them $2000+, and offer them a viable platform for years, why not do it? Win2k > runs really nice on 770's and 600's. I am sure Windows Millenium will run > just > as well. > > Now, if a user looks at the A or T series units and sees a viable reason to > them to upgrade or go with the current, then by all means they should. But > you can't just deem a series outdated when there are many other issues to > contemplate for determining a system's worth to a user. > > Mark > > At 09:31 PM 05/29/2000 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: > >What particular syllable of the word "obsolete" is causing the problem? > > > >The 770 series is already obsolete. A 770 would still provide use for > >certain applications bit would, frankly, be terrible value for money. > > > >If there is one rule in this business, it is " buy the best that you can > >afford at the time that you are buying technology. Anything that was > >designed more than 24 months ago is already ancient history." > > > >From a resale value point of view the entire 600/770 line is kaput. > > > >David > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Mike Capone" > >To: "thinkpads2" > >Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 7:00 PM > >Subject: RE: TP 770z images available? > > > > > >> > >> Since when is a TP770 ED/X/Z obsolete if you > >> can get a new one at a good price? > >> > >> It's rare, but it does happen, and I'm still telling folks > >> to get ED/X/Zs if they can get their hands on them, as I still > >> consider them a high quality, proven unit. (at the right price, and > >> having the money around, I would not hesitate to acquire another > >> 770ED) > >> > >> The new A20 is nice, but guess what... it's also vapourware, and > >> for the folks that needed one months ago "keep waiting" is probably > >> starting to wear thin. And since they're not even "on the floor" yet > >> the pricing hasn't even had a chance to stabilize. > >> > >> -Mike > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- > >> > From: David W. Taylor [mailto:davidt@detayls.com] > >> > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 9:54 PM > >> > To: David Reid; ThinkPad-L > >> > Subject: Re: TP 770z images available? > >> > > >> > > >> > David, > >> > > >> > Despite your good intentions, you should probably consider the new A20m > >or > >> > A20p series ThinkPads, before paying out good $$$ for an obsolete 770 > >> > machine. > >> > > >> > Check out the IBM support site. There is also a new T series, which is > >> > targeted at the ThinkPad 600 audience. The new A series models > >> > are starting > >> > to trickle out of IBM and the A20m's do seem to be available. The A20p > >> > models seem to be late. Some are due to be delivered soon but > >> > most will not > >> > appear until July. > >> > > >> > Whatever you do, don't buy a 770 and then find out about the A > >> > series. You > >> > would definitely kick yourself. > >> > > >> > David > >> > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "David Reid" > >> > To: "ThinkPad-L" > >> > Sent: Monday, May 29, 2000 6:33 PM > >> > Subject: TP 770z images available? > >> > > >> > > >> > > Evening List, > >> > > > >> > > I am reluctant to ask the following question as it may sound > >> > > pointless to some but can anyone point me to a site which shows some > >> > > more informative, pictorial information about the 770z? > >> > > > >> > > I spent all weekend of the long weekend, searching Nashville Tn for > >> > > an IBM Thinkpad for which I could put my hands and eyeballs on prior > >> > > to purchase. I merely found two, both were discontinued "i" series > >> > > of very limited resources (ram/hdd etc). > >> > > > >> > > It's time for me to *$!+ or get off the pot . . . I'm mail ordering > >> > > this week as bad as I hate to, however, before I just hand over a > >> > > couple grand to a mail order house, I sure would like to see what > >> > > I'll be getting. I mean besides the little 150p x 150p front view of > >> > > the 770z, that is common on mail order websites. I checked the IBM > >> > > site as well, no luck, even the 770 documents merely show line > >> > > drawings. > >> > > > >> > > Thanks for your help, > >> > > ______________ > >> > > David Reid > >> > > dwreid@hiwaay.net > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- > > From cph Tue May 30 16:11:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA29768 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:11:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09191; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 16:09:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09060; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.office.netlinq.nl (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09023; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx.office.netlinq.nl (195.108.57.218 -> mx.office.netlinq.nl) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 16:09:38 -0400 Received: from netlinq.nl ([192.168.0.92]) by mx.office.netlinq.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA12660 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 23:19:39 +0200 Message-ID: <393420AC.574E9FBA@netlinq.nl> Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 22:12:28 +0200 From: Jeroen Elfferich Organization: http://www.netlinq.nl/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: A20p in Holland & docking question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Finally the Dutch IBM website is featuring the new A and T series Thinkpads. I was already thinking of ordering an A20p in the USA, but am glad I didn't. The pricing for the units is very competitive for IBM standards - usually we have to pay a 30% premium over the standard dollar exchange rate compared to US prices. The price I got this time however is exactly at the exchange rate, so importing it myself would actually have been more expensive! Furthermore, they told me it would take two weeks to receive the unit, also less than I expected. This is for the 700Mhz/Win2000 model with built in NIC/modem combo and 128 MB extra RAM. It will come from the United Kingdom or Ireland, so apparantly they're building them in more factories now. I'm also considering to order the dock. Has anyone actually seen/used the docking solution for the A or T series? It's priced at the Selectadock III level, but offers less functionality (I want a standard IDE connector for plain desktop HD's!). Jeroen From cph Tue May 30 16:30:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA30019 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:30:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10598; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 16:28:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10521; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww187.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10508; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww187.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.87 -> ww187.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 16:28:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 3384 invoked by uid 60001); 30 May 2000 20:28:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000530202855.3383.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.87 by ww187 for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(34FM1.4.02C) on Tue May 30 20:28:55 GMT 2000 Date: 30 May 00 15:28:55 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "STeve Andre" , thiNKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: How standard are floppy drives on ThinkPads? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM1.4.02C) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA30020 I can't speak for newer machines, but in the 755Cs that I used to use (and still have around here someplace), I could change from the 1.44MB to the 2.88MB without any Win95 issues. It didn't attempt to recognize new hardware or anything. It just worked. (I'm referring to a cold swap, of course.) HTH, Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Tue May 30 16:37:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA30148 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:37:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11160; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:35:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 16:35:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11063; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11039; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 16:35:22 -0400 Received: from user-38ld42e.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld42e.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.144.78]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA20931; Tue, 30 May 2000 16:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005302032.QAA20931@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Marc Swanson" , "Steve Canyon" Cc: "STeve Andre'" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:40:09 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <392990DD.99C34439@snet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Old tunes and a 760CD List-Unsubscribe: I don't think so. I have the turntable ported to the TP, which is cabled to the BackPack CD burner. The software will copy directly to the CD, or write it to a hard drive. The only problem is that I have no sound while recording. Somehow, the 760CD's sound does nada when running the turntable through it. On Mon, 22 May 2000 15:56:13 -0400, Marc Swanson wrote: >I had thought that you had to run the Turntable (or a cassette deck, for >that matter) through some sort of equalizing device (preamp?), then >connect the preamp outputs to the sound card in order for the levels to >be recordable---maybe not? From cph Tue May 30 17:49:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA31197 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 17:49:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16035; Tue, 30 May 2000 17:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 17:48:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15954; Tue, 30 May 2000 17:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA15926; Tue, 30 May 2000 17:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 17:48:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA22044; Tue, 30 May 2000 15:51:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 15:51:23 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: David Howery cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Hello Again Fellow ThinkPaders In-Reply-To: <20000530185851.26855.qmail@web3504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: 8 hours on a T20 - 128M. On Tue, 30 May 2000, David Howery wrote: > running 24/7 processing work units for the SETI@home > project; about one work unit every 6 and a half days > vs. the TP 770Z at one every 14 hours. > -- Mitchell Leben Owner of scan@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for film & print scanners. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe scan' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue May 30 19:37:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA32461 for ; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:37:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23066; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:36:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 30 May 2000 19:35:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22955; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22939; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 30 May 2000 19:35:41 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id TAA10786; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:35:16 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id TAA14537; Tue, 30 May 2000 19:35:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000530154834.00a0c6c0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 30 May 2000 16:00:42 -0700 To: "Allan Starr" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Auto DC adapter TP600/T20 In-Reply-To: <003a01bfc9ac$c38e3d20$07dedfcf@oemcomputer> References: <4.2.0.58.20000529200340.00c7ea30@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 04:30 PM 5/29/00 -0400, you wrote: >Thanks for the info. I don't have a T20 yet, but strongly considering one. >The AC power supply for the TP600 is rated at 56W which I believe is >3.5A@16V - DC should put out the same. So the TP600 draws upt to 3.5 A. My TP600's adapter says 3.36 A at 16V. And keep in mind that what the device *asks* for is one thing, while what the AC Adapter can deliver is another. As long as what is asked for isn't greater than what the adapter can deliver (and the Voltage is appropriate--not too high or too low), then you're fine. So the question is really "What does my laptop ask for?" before you do any worrying about what the AC Adapter can deliver. Right now we're just guessing that the TP600 asks for the 3.36 A that its AC Adapter can deliver, and its not necessarily true that it really asks for that much. Fortunately, the T20 gives me more information in its Battery applet. I'll get to that in a moment. >While I haven't actually seen it, the TP20 power supply is a 72 watt unit - >so if it is a 16 volt one, then that would translate to 4.5A@16V. Bingo. That's what it says on my T20's adapter. >Therefore, it looks like the T20 draws 1 amp more than the TP600 - which >theoretically means I would burn up the DC adapter, right? Theoretically, I suppose. But I've successfully run my T20--and charged its battery (while operating it)--using the adapter from the TP600 and a 3rd party adapter (which I used with the TP600 while travelling). IMO, the extra amps are there just to charge the battery faster, but not really to run the system. The T20 has a little software applet for power/battery which shows the current coming into the machine (so it can predict charge time). The native T20 AC adaptor shows current coming in at around 2.0 to 2.15 Amps. The 3rd Party adapter I have shows it coming in at 1.85 to 1.95 Amps (and a few minutes longer on the predicted charge time). Now that's for charging the battery *while* operating the PC. I should not that while operating on battery power with the screen dimmed, that same battery applet indicates that the PC is drawing less than 1 Amp (typically between 0.65 and 0.85, depending on what activity is going on. I suspect you won't have a problem--it appears the PC is only asking for--at most--a couple of Amps anyway, so these AC Adapters are...over-rated. :-) And if that battery applet is accurate, then operation only requires about 1 Amp or even less (though that may not be enough to charge the battery while operating, but probably enough to charge while not in operation). >Think it would? Or better to look at Radio Shack / Fry's for an adjustable >volt one that puts out 4.5A? Obviously, more is better. :-) Its always nice to have a margin for error. The key on the adjustable devices is to be able to adjust the Voltage so it doesn't blow up your device. Of secondary importance is whether it can deliver the Amp load. - Randy Whittle From cph Wed May 31 03:47:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA02865 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 03:47:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16410; Wed, 31 May 2000 03:46:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 03:45:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16110; Wed, 31 May 2000 03:45:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from e2-p10.tece2.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16097; Wed, 31 May 2000 03:45:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from e2-p10.tece2.com (194.153.80.130) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 03:45:43 -0400 Received: from miles ([10.254.0.50]) by e2-p10.tece2.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAA17A0; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 09:48:08 +0100 From: "David Newman" To: "Rob Bell" , "STeve Andre" , Subject: RE: How standard are floppy drives on ThinkPads? Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 03:45:44 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000530202855.3383.qmail@ww187.netaddress.usa.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Ditto with a 2.88-Mbyte floppy drive (which BTW were called ED drives, for extra density) out of a 750 into a 760. The drive did NOT work with a 770 because the form factor was different -- but I suspect it would have worked if I'd wired it to the 770. dn > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Bell [mailto:rbell1@netscape.net] > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 4:29 PM > To: STeve Andre; thiNKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: How standard are floppy drives on ThinkPads? > > > I can't speak for newer machines, but in the 755Cs that I used to use (and > still have around here someplace), I could change from the 1.44MB to the > 2.88MB without any Win95 issues. It didn't attempt to recognize > new hardware > or anything. It just worked. (I'm referring to a cold swap, of course.) > > HTH, > Rob > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com. > From cph Wed May 31 07:38:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA03672 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 07:38:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03598; Wed, 31 May 2000 07:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 07:37:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03458; Wed, 31 May 2000 07:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03440; Wed, 31 May 2000 07:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (147.160.207.10 -> tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 07:37:28 -0400 Received: from mwl [10.1.2.71] by tuckahoe.blwd.k12.pa.us (SMTPD32-6.00) id A872DC4100F0; Wed, 31 May 2000 07:33:06 -0400 Message-ID: <004b01bfcb0d$6d8af5a0$4702010a@blwd.k12.pa.us> From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: "ThinkPad" Subject: Can obsolete Thinkpads be used as a firewall for cable internet? Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 07:35:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Forgive me if I appear stupid to those of you who are knowledgeable about these things--I am, and not too proud to admit it. In my local area we will be able to have 2 way internet via cable 24/7(Charter Communications). As a safety precaution I would like some sort of firewall between my primary machine (E series Aptiva) and the internet. I have a 360PE ThinkPad (50Mhz/20mb ram, network card and dock 1) The display is blown but otherwise fully functional, even the digitizer works! Could this machine be configured as firewall protection? More so, would it be practical? If not, I probably will purchase a newer Aptiva (350Mhz or faster from Ebay) and make my existing 200Mhz machine the firewall. Viva trailing edge technology! In my science lab I have 12 PS/2 model 35SX 386 machines that are 11 years old (networked no less) that continually start up every time. These are used to download data from Texas Instruments graphing calculators and to analyze data. I luv those old tanks. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Progress is man's ability to complicate simplicity Mike Lingenfelter Bellwood-Antis School District Science Department Chairperson work # 814-742-2280 x-4209 home# 814-941-0141 personal email mlingen@attglobal.net personal web http://pws.prserv.net/usinet.mlingen/usinet.mlingen From cph Wed May 31 08:04:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA03754 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:04:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04962; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:04:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 08:03:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04870; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04855; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:03:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 08:03:55 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id FAA19336; Wed, 31 May 2000 05:13:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000531045328.00d0e1b0@houdini.dgoldman.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 05:04:38 -0700 To: "ThinkPad" From: David Goldman Subject: Re: Can obsolete Thinkpads be used as a firewall for cable internet? In-Reply-To: <004b01bfcb0d$6d8af5a0$4702010a@blwd.k12.pa.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:35 AM 5/31/2000 , Mike Lingenfelter wrote: >Forgive me if I appear stupid to those of you who are knowledgeable about >these things--I am, and not too proud to admit it. > >In my local area we will be able to have 2 way internet via cable >24/7(Charter Communications). As a safety precaution I would like some sort >of firewall between my primary machine (E series Aptiva) and the internet. > >I have a 360PE ThinkPad (50Mhz/20mb ram, network card and dock 1) The >display is blown but otherwise fully functional, even the digitizer works! >Could this machine be configured as firewall protection? More so, would it >be practical? > >If not, I probably will purchase a newer Aptiva (350Mhz or faster from Ebay) >and make my existing 200Mhz machine the firewall. Mike: There are more options out there, depending on your budget and abilities. One choice is to run a software firewall on your existing TP 360. This is obviously the least expensive option in terms of cash outlay. However, it is the most expensive option in terms of time and effort. Another choice is to purchase a new machine (such as the Aptiva) and make your existing 200MHz machine the firewall. This option is more expensive than the previous option (because you are buying a brand new machine) and yet still has all the cost of time and effort as the previous option! A third option is to run a commercial software firewall on your existing system in addition to all your normal day-to-day software. While this is not very expensive in terms of time and effort, many people (myself included) believe a software firewall isn't as safe an option as a dedicated hardware firewall. Your final option is to purchase a dedicated hardware firewall. These are less expensive than a new computer (such as the Aptiva) and were designed >from the ground up to act as a firewall and protect your network. Some of these can be purchased ($US street) for as little as $150-$400. A very good starting point for anybody who is using a full time Internet connection (DSL or cable modem) is: http://navasgrp.home.att.net/tech/cable_dsl.htm This site talks about security, hardware, software, configuration issues and much more. It also has links to various firewall manufacturers sites. -- David Goldman From cph Wed May 31 08:18:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA03798 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:18:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05633; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 08:17:36 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05559; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 08:17:35 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id IAA10380 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:17:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18883; Wed, 31 May 2000 04:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.32 -> smtp.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 04:33:20 -0400 Received: from s3212.south-green.ohiou.edu (HELO daveb) (132.235.155.212) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2000 01:33:07 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Dave B." To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" , "PictureBook Mailing List" Subject: Thank you! (Re: Survey) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 04:33:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Thank you to all who responded to my survey. If I'd had more time, I would have rephrased a couple of the questions. Because of poor wording on my part, many people misinterpreted one of the questions, which significantly reduced the accuracy of the overall results. For example, one question asked what products you currently use, while the next asked which you plan to use in the future. What I was looking for was everything you thought you'd use, *including* the type of products you currently have. Many people interpreted that correctly, but there were also quite a few who put a laptop and cell phone down for the "currently used" items, while listing only a Palm device for the future. While I suppose that's possible, I doubt too many people would be giving up cell phones and laptops for a Palm device. Sorry for a poorly-worded question. Oh well, I got sixty-seven responses in less than twenty-four hours, which was very surprising. Because of this, I have enough rough data to draw some general conclusions for my project. The majority of laptop owners are male, age 31 or above, with a large percentage of those falling within the "40 and above" category. 68% of all respondents currently own a cell phone. The overwhelming majority of folks are in computer or other technology-related fields, but there are also several in some form of medical profession, as well as an assortment of engineers. Three people listed their occupation as "Geek." :-) For my own curiosity, it would be interesting to know which list the respondents came from. Please take no offense from this, but if I had to guess, I'd say that the "older" members (please don't beat me) of the surveyed population came from the ThinkPad list rather than the PictureBook list. Once again, thank you all for your help; it's most appreciated! Dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Wed May 31 08:39:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA03886 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:39:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06983; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 08:38:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06768; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06755; Wed, 31 May 2000 08:38:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 08:38:32 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.75.128.131]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000531123828.VWVE1339.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:38:28 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000531083719.00951b70@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 08:37:19 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Hello Again Fellow ThinkPaders In-Reply-To: References: <20000530185851.26855.qmail@web3504.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 03:51 PM 05/30/2000 -0500, Mitchell Leben wrote: >8 hours on a T20 - 128M. > 730 WU 11hr 45min Avg CPU Time/WU TP600 w/ 128MB running the command line version on NT40 From cph Wed May 31 09:58:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA04427 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:58:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13619; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 09:57:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13314; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:57:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13257; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 09:56:59 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id JAA18080; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:56:58 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id JAA24304; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000531065410.009dd3e0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 06:54:41 -0700 To: Jane Loyless , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Hello Again Fellow ThinkPaders In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000531083719.00951b70@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> References: <20000530185851.26855.qmail@web3504.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:37 AM 5/31/00 -0400, you wrote: >At 03:51 PM 05/30/2000 -0500, Mitchell Leben wrote: > > >8 hours on a T20 - 128M. > > > >730 WU > >11hr 45min Avg CPU Time/WU > >TP600 w/ 128MB running the command line version on NT40 You people are *not* talking about continuous usage, are you? From cph Wed May 31 09:58:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA04426 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:58:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13616; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 09:57:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13276; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:57:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13247; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 09:56:58 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id JAA18074; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:56:57 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id JAA24299; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000531064927.009db610@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 06:52:18 -0700 To: David Goldman , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Can obsolete Thinkpads be used as a firewall for cable internet? In-Reply-To: <4.2.1.20000531045328.00d0e1b0@houdini.dgoldman.com> References: <004b01bfcb0d$6d8af5a0$4702010a@blwd.k12.pa.us> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 05:04 AM 5/31/00 -0700, you wrote: >Your final option is to purchase a dedicated hardware firewall. These are >less expensive than a new computer (such as the Aptiva) and were designed >from the ground up to act as a firewall and protect your network. Some of >these can be purchased ($US street) for as little as $150-$400. For what its worth, this was my choice, and for $300+, I bought one called the "SonicWall". I've been very happy with it. Its the size of a small ethernet hub, very easy to configure & manage (and it runs on its own the rest of the time), much cheaper than a PC, smaller (I have little or no space), and no software overhead on my PC's connected to the net (that is, no need for a software firewall). It even employs stateful packet inspection, like Cisco routers do. It was the right choice for me. I highly recommend it. From cph Wed May 31 10:59:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA04848 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:59:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19740; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:59:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 10:58:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19621; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:58:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19585; Wed, 31 May 2000 10:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 10:58:08 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id JAA27137 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:58:06 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl ([10.85.86.40]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id JAA27133 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:58:06 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000531105707.00bf1650@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:57:07 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Hello Again Fellow ThinkPaders In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000531065410.009dd3e0@127.0.0.1> References: <3.0.1.32.20000531083719.00951b70@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> <20000530185851.26855.qmail@web3504.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:54 AM 05/31/2000 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >You people are *not* talking about continuous usage, are you? > Pretty much so. Why not? The only times I ever turned it off even before Seti@home was when I was traveling (either back and forth to work or traveling on business). During the weekday at work, it's always on in a port replicator, and at night and weekends, it's just sitting turned on waiting wherever I happen to be. Once Seti@home came along, I just put it to work running that in the background instead of leaving it sitting around running idly. If I'm at home and know I'm not going to be actively using it for a few hours, I prop it up with a block of lead under it so that it has both air circulation and something to act as a heat sink. I've been running the Seti software ever since it went public last May. It may go out today, but after 18 months of fairly continuous use, so far, so good. From cph Wed May 31 11:06:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA04909 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:06:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20648; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 11:05:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20539; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20523; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:05:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (152.78.71.4 -> rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 11:05:35 -0400 Received: from heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (heron [152.78.71.5]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA01742 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 16:05:32 +0100 (BST) Received: from hicdbs (pri06.dialup [152.78.68.231]) by heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA12313 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 16:05:31 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200005311505.QAA12313@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> From: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:13:52 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "sehh of H.I.C. & D.B.S." Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000531105707.00bf1650@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Hello Again Fellow ThinkPaders List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id LAA20648 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA04910 On Wed, 31 May 2000 10:57:07 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >>You people are *not* talking about continuous usage, are you? >Pretty much so. Why not? > >since it went public last May. It may go out today, but after 18 months of >fairly continuous use, so far, so good. Same here, all my systems are running 24/7. I don't like waiting for a system to bootup. My TP600E doesn't seem to have a problem, max continuous uptime that i've done on it was 1.5 months (during the easter holiday). It does get a little hot but thats because it always runs the RC5 cracking client. Ofcourse i shutdown RC5 when i'm on battery. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed May 31 11:13:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA04943 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:13:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21414; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:12:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 11:11:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21318; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21305; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:11:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot012.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.112 -> pilot012.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 11:11:57 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm456-21.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.79]) by pilot012.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA54712 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:11:53 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000531110139.00d9b7e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:11:40 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Hello Again Fellow ThinkPaders In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000531105707.00bf1650@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> References: <4.2.0.58.20000531065410.009dd3e0@127.0.0.1> <3.0.1.32.20000531083719.00951b70@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> <20000530185851.26855.qmail@web3504.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Heh! Our usage patterns pretty much match. I've had this 1451i on pretty much all the time since April 22nd 1999, the day I got it. Commute time excepted. I don't think there is anything wrong with this--really, what is worse would be powering the unit up and down several times a day. Once the ThinkPad is on and hot, unless you have thermal problems the unit is going to sit there and be happy. In hot weather you have to make sure the poor little things get enough air so as to not cook themselves, but as long as you do that, you'll be OK. In general, electronics are happy at running at their rated temperatures for a long time. Going beyond that (a hot day in the sun) and its different, but I always make sure that isn't the case. I even have some muffin fans for my ThinkPads on hot days. Probably the most important thing to do is to make sure the screen blanks out after some period of non use. I don't know what the life on the back lighting system is, but I'll wager that they'll go before most of the electronics does. I know of a 700C that has been running for *seven years* straight. Several 750/760 type units that have been running for at least two years, and others which have run continuously longer than I've known them. It all comes down to temperature. Keep them happy and they'll last a long time. Raise that temperature and you'll shorten the life considerably. --STeve Andre' At 10:57 AM 5/31/00 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >At 06:54 AM 05/31/2000 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > > >You people are *not* talking about continuous usage, are you? > > > >Pretty much so. Why not? > >The only times I ever turned it off even before Seti@home was when I was >traveling (either back and forth to work or traveling on business). During >the weekday at work, it's always on in a port replicator, and at night and >weekends, it's just sitting turned on waiting wherever I happen to be. >Once Seti@home came along, I just put it to work running that in the >background instead of leaving it sitting around running idly. If I'm at >home and know I'm not going to be actively using it for a few hours, I prop >it up with a block of lead under it so that it has both air circulation and >something to act as a heat sink. I've been running the Seti software ever >since it went public last May. It may go out today, but after 18 months of >fairly continuous use, so far, so good. From cph Wed May 31 11:22:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA05065 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:22:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22607; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 11:21:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22517; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22504; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (206.191.0.250 -> mx2.magma.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 11:21:35 -0400 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13590; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port98.magma.ca [209.217.123.98]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA09488; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005311521.LAA09488@mail3.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "davewb0@yahoo.com" , "PictureBook Mailing List" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:19:52 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thank you! (Re: Survey) List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 31 May 2000 04:33:05 -0400, Dave B. wrote: >The majority of laptop owners are male, age 31 or above, >with a large percentage of those falling within the >"40 and above" category. You don't really mean "the majority of laptop owners", do you? You hardly got a random sample of laptop owners, at best you got a random sample of some laptop (Thinkpad or Picturebook) owners who also are online (or were online during the period the survey was available) and respond to surveys! Your next sentence started, "the majority of respondents" which is correct. andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Wed May 31 11:29:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA05100 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:29:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23313; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 11:28:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23238; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23208; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:28:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 11:28:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA06916; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:31:53 -0500 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:31:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Randal Whittle cc: Jane Loyless , TP List Subject: Re: Hello Again Fellow ThinkPaders In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000531065410.009dd3e0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: This is elapsed time. Seti@home can be set to run all the time, or when the machine is idle (like a screen saver). On Wed, 31 May 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > You people are *not* talking about continuous usage, are you? -Mitch --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Wed May 31 11:50:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA05297 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:50:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26199; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 11:50:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26126; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26112; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.advi.net (208.139.144.3 -> mail.advi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 11:50:23 -0400 Received: from ecamin.advi.Net (s13354028.advi.net [208.133.54.28]) by mail.advi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id LAA03750; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.1.0.20000531113243.00aa4c70@mail.advi.net> X-Sender: ecamin@mail.advi.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.1 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:49:39 -0400 To: Randal Whittle , "Allan Starr" , TP List From: EDWIN A CAMIN Subject: Re: Auto DC adapter TP600/T20 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000530154834.00a0c6c0@127.0.0.1> References: <003a01bfc9ac$c38e3d20$07dedfcf@oemcomputer> <4.2.0.58.20000529200340.00c7ea30@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: The only way you can be sure is to measure it. Before I retired I was a Product Safety Eng'r responsible for obtaining UL/CSA/TUV, etc approvals. Our rule of thumb was to measure the actual current reading, then double it for the product label. For power supplies we would load them down until they failed or shut down. We would create many possible failure modes. The supply was not allowed to sustain a fire. The labeled wattage did not exceed the maximum operating load. The current labels are inflated to be sure that the user didn't unknowingly overload their wall outlets. Ed At 04:00 PM 5/30/00 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 04:30 PM 5/29/00 -0400, you wrote: >>Thanks for the info. I don't have a T20 yet, but strongly considering one. >>The AC power supply for the TP600 is rated at 56W which I believe is >>3.5A@16V - DC should put out the same. So the TP600 draws upt to 3.5 A. > > My TP600's adapter says 3.36 A at 16V. And keep in mind that > what the device *asks* for is one thing, while what the AC Adapter can > deliver is another. As long as what is asked for isn't greater than what > the adapter can deliver (and the Voltage is appropriate--not too high or > too low), then you're fine. > > So the question is really "What does my laptop ask for?" before > you do any worrying about what the AC Adapter can deliver. Right now > we're just guessing that the TP600 asks for the 3.36 A that its AC > Adapter can deliver, and its not necessarily true that it really asks for > that much. > > Fortunately, the T20 gives me more information in its Battery > applet. I'll get to that in a moment. > >>While I haven't actually seen it, the TP20 power supply is a 72 watt unit - >>so if it is a 16 volt one, then that would translate to 4.5A@16V. > > Bingo. That's what it says on my T20's adapter. > >>Therefore, it looks like the T20 draws 1 amp more than the TP600 - which >>theoretically means I would burn up the DC adapter, right? > > Theoretically, I suppose. But I've successfully run my T20--and > charged its battery (while operating it)--using the adapter from the > TP600 and a 3rd party adapter (which I used with the TP600 while travelling). > > IMO, the extra amps are there just to charge the battery faster, > but not really to run the system. > > The T20 has a little software applet for power/battery which > shows the current coming into the machine (so it can predict charge > time). The native T20 AC adaptor shows current coming in at around 2.0 > to 2.15 Amps. The 3rd Party adapter I have shows it coming in at 1.85 to > 1.95 Amps (and a few minutes longer on the predicted charge time). > > Now that's for charging the battery *while* operating the PC. I > should not that while operating on battery power with the screen dimmed, > that same battery applet indicates that the PC is drawing less than 1 Amp > (typically between 0.65 and 0.85, depending on what activity is going on. > > I suspect you won't have a problem--it appears the PC is only > asking for--at most--a couple of Amps anyway, so these AC Adapters > are...over-rated. :-) And if that battery applet is accurate, then > operation only requires about 1 Amp or even less (though that may not be > enough to charge the battery while operating, but probably enough to > charge while not in operation). > >>Think it would? Or better to look at Radio Shack / Fry's for an adjustable >>volt one that puts out 4.5A? > > Obviously, more is better. :-) Its always nice to have a margin > for error. > > The key on the adjustable devices is to be able to adjust the > Voltage so it doesn't blow up your device. Of secondary importance is > whether it can deliver the Amp load. > >- Randy Whittle From cph Wed May 31 12:06:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA05372 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:06:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27872; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:06:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 12:05:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27701; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bucknell.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27681; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.bucknell.edu (134.82.9.1 -> marge.bucknell.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 12:05:42 -0400 Received: from pfindeis.bucknell.edu (findeis.bucknell.edu [134.82.59.44]) by mail.bucknell.edu (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e4VG5eW06137 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200005311605.e4VG5eW06137@mail.bucknell.edu> X-Sender: findeis@mail.bucknell.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Peter Findeis Subject: theteam -- List-Unsubscribe: Add me to the list of happy " The Team" customers. -Pete Findeis ----- Original Message ----- Date: Mon, 29 May 2000 20:21:56 -0500 From: "D_R_Mohr" To: "Steve C." CC: Subject: Re: Anyone know of "theteam"? Message-Id: <003801bfc9d5$7522dfa0$6b861b3f@default> MIME-Version: 1.0 Hello, I've purchased numerous Thinkpad parts, batteries,etc. form Mary Perry and the group at "The Team" with good results. Their name is "Tech Team Computing" Address: 2065 Vestal Parkway west Vestal, NY.13850 607-785-8324 Hope this is helpful. Dave Mohr (Glow in the Dark-- Nuclear Power) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve C." To: Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2000 22:38 Subject: Anyone know of "theteam"? > Did someone once say that they have done business with > "theteam" as far as buying Thinkpad parts? How can I > get hold of them? They have a number of items for > sale on ebay. I tried to email them but they don't > have a valid email address listed, just the one for > some automated operation that collects money from the > bids. They also have a number of negative comments > listed which tends to make me cautious about bidding. > What are your experiences with this outfit? Thanks. From cph Wed May 31 12:09:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA05399 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:09:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28384; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:08:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 12:08:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28294; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28281; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 12:08:35 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id LAA09315 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:08:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.85.86.40] (may be forged)) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id LAA09311 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 11:08:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000531120734.01410100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:07:34 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Hello Again Fellow ThinkPaders In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000531065410.009dd3e0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:31 AM 05/31/2000 -0500, Mitchell Leben wrote: >This is elapsed time. Seti@home can be set to run all the time, or when >the machine is idle (like a screen saver). > I'm not running the screensaver version. The command line version runs in the background all the time. From cph Wed May 31 12:35:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA05616 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:35:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01107; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:35:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 12:35:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01010; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00997; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 12:34:57 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p47.hwts21.loop.net [207.211.65.62]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA24215; Wed, 31 May 2000 09:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005311634.JAA24215@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "davewb0@yahoo.com" Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 09:34:53 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thank you! (Re: Survey) List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 31 May 2000 04:33:05 -0400, Dave B. wrote: >The majority of laptop owners are male, age 31 or above, with a large >percentage of those falling within the "40 and above" category. 68% of >all respondents currently own a cell phone. The overwhelming majority of >folks are in computer or other technology-related fields, but there are >also several in some form of medical profession, as well as an assortment >of engineers. Three people listed their occupation as "Geek." :-) =) That or sys admin... > >For my own curiosity, it would be interesting to know which list the >respondents came from. Please take no offense from this, but if I had to >guess, I'd say that the "older" members (please don't beat me) of the >surveyed population came from the ThinkPad list rather than the >PictureBook list. > Hmmm, I'm only 20, and I just got my 6th ThinkPad yesterday (a 730TE, faster than my 730T). And I've been using ThinkPads for about the last 5 years! I'm still surprised, not that many people in the 18-24 range? Paul From cph Wed May 31 13:42:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA05997 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:42:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06759; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 13:40:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06625; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06612; Wed, 31 May 2000 13:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.23.16 -> wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 13:40:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 16066 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2000 17:40:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000531174039.16065.qmail@wwcst271.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.16 by wwcst271 for [4.17.135.26] via web-mailer(34FM1.4.02C) on Wed May 31 17:40:39 GMT 2000 Date: 31 May 00 12:40:39 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "Mike Lingenfelter" , "ThinkPad" Subject: Re: Can obsolete Thinkpads be used as a firewall for cable internet? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34FM1.4.02C) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA05998 I think your 360 should work fine as a firewall and Internet connection sharing device. The processor and memory demands for that stuff are pretty low. What I would do is configure it with Win95 and third-party products for connection sharing and firewall. BlackICE is a well-known and respected firewall product. It watches for possible intrusions across all ports (see www.networkice.com). I use a product called WinNAT Gold for connection sharing. It works great and allows me to share my single cable modem connection (and single IP) across as many other PCs connected to my network as I want. Only problem is that I don't know if WinNAT is available to the public anymore (they started selling it to ISP-type companies). If you feel brave, you could use Win98 instead of Win95 and use its built-in Internet connection sharing features. If you do this I would recommend disabling all unneeded Win98 features or else it will be a real pig on that 486. One other thing to consider is that you will need two network cards in the 360 if you want to use it like this. HTH, Rob "Mike Lingenfelter" wrote: > Forgive me if I appear stupid to those of you who are knowledgeable about > these things--I am, and not too proud to admit it. > > In my local area we will be able to have 2 way internet via cable > 24/7(Charter Communications). As a safety precaution I would like some sort > of firewall between my primary machine (E series Aptiva) and the internet. > > I have a 360PE ThinkPad (50Mhz/20mb ram, network card and dock 1) The > display is blown but otherwise fully functional, even the digitizer works! > Could this machine be configured as firewall protection? More so, would it > be practical? > > If not, I probably will purchase a newer Aptiva (350Mhz or faster from Ebay) > and make my existing 200Mhz machine the firewall. > > Viva trailing edge technology! In my science lab I have 12 PS/2 model 35SX > 386 machines that are 11 years old (networked no less) that continually > start up every time. These are used to download data from Texas Instruments > graphing calculators and to analyze data. I luv those old tanks. > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Progress is man's ability to complicate simplicity > > Mike Lingenfelter > Bellwood-Antis School District > Science Department Chairperson > work # 814-742-2280 x-4209 > home# 814-941-0141 > > personal email mlingen@attglobal.net > personal web http://pws.prserv.net/usinet.mlingen/usinet.mlingen > ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Wed May 31 14:04:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA06193 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:04:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08931; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 14:03:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08835; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:03:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08806; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 14:03:31 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA20667; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:03:28 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from RJWLaptopT20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA03777; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000531103515.009f0ad0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 10:35:55 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Hello Again Fellow ThinkPaders In-Reply-To: <200005311505.QAA12313@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> References: <3.0.1.32.20000531105707.00bf1650@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 04:13 PM 5/31/00 +0100, you wrote: >On Wed, 31 May 2000 10:57:07 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: > > >>You people are *not* talking about continuous usage, are you? > >Pretty much so. Why not? > > > >since it went public last May. It may go out today, but after 18 months of > >fairly continuous use, so far, so good. > >Same here, all my systems are running 24/7. I don't like waiting for a system >to bootup. Ack! I feel like a dork. I thought you were talking about running on battery... From cph Wed May 31 14:06:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA06217 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:06:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09273; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 14:05:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09190; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:05:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09176; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot008.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.108 -> pilot008.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 14:05:48 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm454-19.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.221]) by pilot008.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA49884; Wed, 31 May 2000 14:05:38 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000531140546.00da7450@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 14:06:22 -0400 To: Randal Whittle , TP List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Hello Again Fellow ThinkPaders In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000531103515.009f0ad0@127.0.0.1> References: <200005311505.QAA12313@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.20000531105707.00bf1650@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Randal, show me the battery that could do this and I will buy one for you, too! STeve At 10:35 AM 5/31/00 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 04:13 PM 5/31/00 +0100, you wrote: >>On Wed, 31 May 2000 10:57:07 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >> >> >>You people are *not* talking about continuous usage, are you? >> >Pretty much so. Why not? >> > >> >since it went public last May. It may go out today, but after 18 months of >> >fairly continuous use, so far, so good. >> >>Same here, all my systems are running 24/7. I don't like waiting for a system >>to bootup. > > Ack! I feel like a dork. I thought you were talking about > running on battery... From cph Wed May 31 15:33:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA06913 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 15:33:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15687; Wed, 31 May 2000 15:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 15:30:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15415; Wed, 31 May 2000 15:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15402; Wed, 31 May 2000 15:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 15:30:43 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA00705 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <3935680B.4E5ADE7C@stanford.edu> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 12:29:15 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TP List Subject: High capacity batteries (was Re: Hello Again Fellow ThinkPaders) References: <200005311505.QAA12313@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.20000531105707.00bf1650@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000531140546.00da7450@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: As a matter of fact, one can find many pages on the web devoted to building super longlife batteries for laptops, digital cameras and camcorders. Most involve purchasing a (heavy) lead-acid battery of some sort. They are available in a "slab" format that will fit under your laptop, or if you like you can also buy the traditional type that goes in a car. What's needed is basically a converter. You can: a) use an inverter to generate AC and plug the TP's AC unit into it. b) use a voltage regulator and plug the TP directly into it. Most of the batteries seem to be available in capacities up to 7000 mAh, maybe more. Given that most TP batteries store around 3000 mAh, you're looking at double time, perhaps 1.5 to 1.75 times if you discount for inefficiencies in conversion. Advantages: super long life, very high cycle duty, cheap (compared to Li-Ion) Disadvantages: size, weight, some assembly required Benjamin STeve Andre' wrote: > > Randal, show me the battery that could do this and I will buy one for you, too! > > STeve > > At 10:35 AM 5/31/00 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > >At 04:13 PM 5/31/00 +0100, you wrote: > >>On Wed, 31 May 2000 10:57:07 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: > >> > >> >>You people are *not* talking about continuous usage, are you? > >> >Pretty much so. Why not? > >> > > >> >since it went public last May. It may go out today, but after 18 months of > >> >fairly continuous use, so far, so good. > >> > >>Same here, all my systems are running 24/7. I don't like waiting for a system > >>to bootup. > > > > Ack! I feel like a dork. I thought you were talking about > > running on battery... -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Wed May 31 15:53:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA07111 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 15:53:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17854; Wed, 31 May 2000 15:53:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 15:53:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17727; Wed, 31 May 2000 15:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17711; Wed, 31 May 2000 15:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 15:53:05 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p37.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.130]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA43378 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005311952.MAA43378@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:37:19 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 730T/TE and 32MB memory card? List-Unsubscribe: Just to let everyone know, I finally got my 730TE, which is marginally faster than my 730T, but enough to show a noticeable difference. Anyways, I was hoping my 32MB memory card would work, but it appears that the limit is still 20-24MB of RAM (using a 16MB IC DRAM card). So if anyone plans on going to 40MB, don't bother, because it won't work. Paul From cph Wed May 31 15:53:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA07117 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 15:53:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17903; Wed, 31 May 2000 15:53:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 15:53:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17798; Wed, 31 May 2000 15:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17763; Wed, 31 May 2000 15:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 15:53:11 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p37.hwts18.loop.net [207.211.63.130]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA43394; Wed, 31 May 2000 12:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200005311953.MAA43394@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "JWeinst436@aol.com" Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 11:41:20 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 730t question List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 9 Apr 2000 14:52:13 EDT, JWeinst436@aol.com wrote: >Okay Guys, > >Maybe you can help me out on this one. I have a 730 T and finally the >operating system installed with Win 95 and pen services for Win 95. I went >to the setup menu and set up the digitizer. The pen worked fine there, when >I restarted it and tried to use the pen--I noticed that the arrow would >follow the pen but I could not get it to click on anything, that >is---depressing the barrel on the stylus does nothing and tapping the screen >repeatedly does not work. What I am left with is a tablet that boots up fine >to Windows 95, but i can do nothing after that. Any suggestions would be >appreciated. What it sounds like is you need to recalibrate the stylus in Easy Setup. I had this happen once when I was fooling around in Easy Setup. What you do is after having the machine completely off, press and hold the power switch, while putting the stylus on the suspend button (you might have to hold down the button). Release both when you see the copyright/memory count screen. Then select the digitizer option from Easy Setup. Press lightly on the cross on the screen. If you press really hard, it will be almost impossible to click on anything. Hope this helps, Paul From cph Wed May 31 17:55:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA08055 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 17:55:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28032; Wed, 31 May 2000 17:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 17:52:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27852; Wed, 31 May 2000 17:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27839; Wed, 31 May 2000 17:52:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot021.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.121 -> pilot021.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 17:52:53 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (symposium.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.43]) by pilot021.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA61454 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 17:52:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000531175115.00e09940@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 17:52:52 -0400 To: TP List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: High capacity batteries (was Re: Hello Again Fellow ThinkPaders) In-Reply-To: <3935680B.4E5ADE7C@stanford.edu> References: <200005311505.QAA12313@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.20000531105707.00bf1650@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000531140546.00da7450@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for this, Ben. I haven't kept up with batteries for about 4 years now and don't know that the newest technology can offer. But can you get these newer high-capacity batteries in the currently used form factors, such that they could be used in today's existing ThinkPads? STeve At 12:29 PM 5/31/00 -0700, Benjamin Koh wrote: >As a matter of fact, one can find many pages on the web devoted to >building super longlife batteries for laptops, digital cameras and >camcorders. Most involve purchasing a (heavy) lead-acid battery of some >sort. They are available in a "slab" format that will fit under your >laptop, or if you like you can also buy the traditional type that goes >in a car. What's needed is basically a converter. You can: > >a) use an inverter to generate AC and plug the TP's AC unit into it. >b) use a voltage regulator and plug the TP directly into it. > >Most of the batteries seem to be available in capacities up to 7000 mAh, >maybe more. Given that most TP batteries store around 3000 mAh, you're >looking at double time, perhaps 1.5 to 1.75 times if you discount for >inefficiencies in conversion. > >Advantages: super long life, very high cycle duty, cheap (compared to >Li-Ion) >Disadvantages: size, weight, some assembly required > >Benjamin > >STeve Andre' wrote: > > > > Randal, show me the battery that could do this and I will buy one for > you, too! > > > > STeve > > > > At 10:35 AM 5/31/00 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > > >At 04:13 PM 5/31/00 +0100, you wrote: > > >>On Wed, 31 May 2000 10:57:07 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: > > >> > > >> >>You people are *not* talking about continuous usage, are you? > > >> >Pretty much so. Why not? > > >> > > > >> >since it went public last May. It may go out today, but after 18 > months of > > >> >fairly continuous use, so far, so good. > > >> > > >>Same here, all my systems are running 24/7. I don't like waiting for > a system > > >>to bootup. > > > > > > Ack! I feel like a dork. I thought you were talking about > > > running on battery... > >-- >Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE 4! > >https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh >Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com >Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: > http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Wed May 31 19:01:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA08404 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:01:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03435; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:00:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 19:00:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03298; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03283; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:00:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (130.17.4.254 -> samsara.csustan.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 19:00:07 -0400 Received: (from steven@localhost) by samsara.csustan.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA06557 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:05:07 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.4 on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <008e01bfc8c2$87bec3e0$67fc8caa@equant.com> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 23:05:07 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Steven Filling Sender: steven@samsara.csustan.edu From: Steven Filling To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: A20p delayed again List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA08405 On 28-May-2000 Rick A. Bright extemporized: > I just heard from my IBM rep that the A20p with the combo card has again > been > delayed, this time until the first of July. I just talked with the nice folks at shop IBM, and they tell me that [surprise surprise] the May 26 shipment of A20p's with and without combo cards "didn't arrive". They don't confess to any knowledge as to when the darn things might actually show up. Are we "early adopters" feeling stupid or what ;^) cheers S. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Steven Filling Date: 31-May-2000 Time: 23:02:46 ---------------------------------- From cph Wed May 31 19:15:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA08583 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:15:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04889; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:14:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 19:14:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04812; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA04791; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 19:14:38 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA21387 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 16:14:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39359C87.922E48C9@stanford.edu> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:13:11 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: TP List Subject: Re: High capacity batteries (was Re: Hello Again FellowThinkPaders) References: <200005311505.QAA12313@heron.ecs.soton.ac.uk> <3.0.1.32.20000531105707.00bf1650@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000531140546.00da7450@pilot.msu.edu> <4.3.2.7.0.20000531175115.00e09940@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I guess I wasn't clear enough. These high-capacity batteries I am talking about are DIY affairs. They are not new technology - lead-acid batteries have been around a long time. They will most certainly not fit into a TP battery bay. TP batteries are fairly small and contain on-board electronics to accurately determine remaining charge. Lead-acid batteries are neither small (their low energy density precludes this) nor "smart" - your car can't tell when the battery is low - it either starts the car or it doesn't. Ditto for any such rig you make yourself. These battery rigs essentially tell your TP not to use the onboard battery because there is an external power source. The batteries can be bought in a "slab" form factor and fit under the TP. My university computer store has the commercial versions of these that plug straight into specific Apple Powerbooks. So you can be assured that the principle is sound. In fact I remember reading a press release online not too long ago about a commercial version for TPs. Apparently they were able to double a 560x runtime before the TP switched to its own battery, or something like that. Search on Google :-) Again, these were in the form of slabs that fit under the TP. Benjamin STeve Andre' wrote: > > Thanks for this, Ben. I haven't kept up with batteries for about 4 years > now and don't know that the newest technology can offer. > > But can you get these newer high-capacity batteries in the currently used > form factors, such that they could be used in today's existing ThinkPads? > > STeve > > At 12:29 PM 5/31/00 -0700, Benjamin Koh wrote: > >As a matter of fact, one can find many pages on the web devoted to > >building super longlife batteries for laptops, digital cameras and > >camcorders. Most involve purchasing a (heavy) lead-acid battery of some > >sort. They are available in a "slab" format that will fit under your > >laptop, or if you like you can also buy the traditional type that goes > >in a car. What's needed is basically a converter. You can: > > > >a) use an inverter to generate AC and plug the TP's AC unit into it. > >b) use a voltage regulator and plug the TP directly into it. > > > >Most of the batteries seem to be available in capacities up to 7000 mAh, > >maybe more. Given that most TP batteries store around 3000 mAh, you're > >looking at double time, perhaps 1.5 to 1.75 times if you discount for > >inefficiencies in conversion. > > > >Advantages: super long life, very high cycle duty, cheap (compared to > >Li-Ion) > >Disadvantages: size, weight, some assembly required > > > >Benjamin > > > >STeve Andre' wrote: > > > > > > Randal, show me the battery that could do this and I will buy one for > > you, too! > > > > > > STeve > > > > > > At 10:35 AM 5/31/00 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > >At 04:13 PM 5/31/00 +0100, you wrote: > > > >>On Wed, 31 May 2000 10:57:07 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: > > > >> > > > >> >>You people are *not* talking about continuous usage, are you? > > > >> >Pretty much so. Why not? > > > >> > > > > >> >since it went public last May. It may go out today, but after 18 > > months of > > > >> >fairly continuous use, so far, so good. > > > >> > > > >>Same here, all my systems are running 24/7. I don't like waiting for > > a system > > > >>to bootup. > > > > > > > > Ack! I feel like a dork. I thought you were talking about > > > > running on battery... > > > >-- > >Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE 4! > > > >https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh > >Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! > > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com > >Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: > > http://www.thehungersite.com/ -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Wed May 31 20:01:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA08861 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 20:01:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08747; Wed, 31 May 2000 20:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 20:00:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08601; Wed, 31 May 2000 20:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08584; Wed, 31 May 2000 20:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exch1.smh.com (4.21.209.242 -> exch1.smh.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 20:00:38 -0400 Received: by exch1.smh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 31 May 2000 19:56:30 -0400 Message-ID: <587C9ED8EF99D3118DCD00508B115FF22A1E46@exch1.smh.com> From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" To: "'Steven Filling '" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu '" Subject: RE: A20p delayed again Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 19:56:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: Unfortunately the earlier adapters are going to be looking at upgraded A20s before too long. Their machines aren't going to be top of the heap for long. Intel like to keep pushng the MHz. I bet in September. Neil -----Original Message----- From: Steven Filling To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sent: 6/1/00 2:05 AM Subject: RE: A20p delayed again On 28-May-2000 Rick A. Bright extemporized: > I just heard from my IBM rep that the A20p with the combo card has again > been > delayed, this time until the first of July. I just talked with the nice folks at shop IBM, and they tell me that [surprise surprise] the May 26 shipment of A20p's with and without combo cards "didn't arrive". They don't confess to any knowledge as to when the darn things might actually show up. Are we "early adopters" feeling stupid or what ;^) cheers S. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Steven Filling Date: 31-May-2000 Time: 23:02:46 ---------------------------------- From cph Wed May 31 21:38:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA09475 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 21:38:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15578; Wed, 31 May 2000 21:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 21:37:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15492; Wed, 31 May 2000 21:37:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15477; Wed, 31 May 2000 21:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (204.60.6.55 -> smtp.snet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 21:37:30 -0400 Received: from snet.net (nrwc-sh6-port215.snet.net [204.60.43.215]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with ESMTP id VAA23055 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 21:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3935BE56.4682EAB4@snet.net> Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:37:26 -0400 From: Marc Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Thinkpad 755Cs.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Good evening all! After tinkering with a TP 730T for the last six months or so, I decided to add another model to my line-up...the 755Cs (the price was right!) Not wanting to beat a dead horse (since I know this model has at one time or another been discussed here), but at the same time, wanting to have some idea of what this machine can or cannot do, I'll ask for any past or present experience, both good or not-so, that anyone has had with this machine. If you don't wish to clog up the list with replies (if I get any :), you can email directly to me-- Thank you in advance!! Marc S. From cph Wed May 31 21:58:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA09589 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 21:58:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17066; Wed, 31 May 2000 21:58:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 21:58:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16994; Wed, 31 May 2000 21:58:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA16956; Wed, 31 May 2000 21:58:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.32 -> smtp.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 21:58:23 -0400 Received: from s3212.south-green.ohiou.edu (HELO daveb) (132.235.155.212) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 May 2000 18:58:21 -0700 X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "Dave B." To: "Andrew Webber" , "PictureBook Mailing List" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: Thank you! (Re: Survey) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 21:58:17 -0400 Keywords: Miscellaneous Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200005311521.LAA09488@mail3.magma.ca> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > You don't really mean "the majority of laptop owners", do you? Certainly not; I meant the majority of those who responded to the survey. It's clearly not appropriate to draw any far-reaching conclusions based on this little survey, nor was that my intent. This was thrown together in about an hour to get some quick information for a paper and presentation which were due today. Had I had more time to think it through, it might have been more accurate. The point of posting a couple results was just in case anyone cared. Dave __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com From cph Wed May 31 23:27:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA10009 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:27:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23091; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 23:26:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23016; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23003; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.140 -> ds-img-rel-1.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 23:26:16 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id XAA23704 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Sender: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us Received: from atl-tgn-yah-vty42.as.wcom.net (atl-tgn-yah-vty42.as.wcom.net [216.192.199.42]) by spdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA23697 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:25:52 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.44) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <6020693840.20000531222552@falkor.chi.il.us> To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re[2]: How standard are floppy drives on ThinkPads? In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Wednesday, May 31, 2000, 2:45:44 AM, David wrote: > but I suspect it would have worked if I'd wired it to the 770. It would be useful if someone could give a more definative indication. It seems to me that what is required is someone with a small phillips screwdriver, a small slotted screwdriver, and a willingness to void their warranty on their floppy drive, and the time to fool around with it. Such a person might remove the drives from their respective enclosures and switch them, ending up with a 1.44 floppy for the 75x series and a 2.88 floppy in a cute black box ready to slide into a 770 series. Ron. From cph Wed May 31 23:40:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA10058 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:40:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24028; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 23:39:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23955; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23942; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:39:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 23:39:55 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.13.239]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000601033945.FFNQ6885.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 03:39:45 +0000 Message-ID: <006901bfcb7a$70761a20$ef0d4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: IBM 730T/TE/ Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:34:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. I have 2 730s. I have found something of a cheap battery re-build. One really easy way is to remove the cells and thermister from the pack a retrofit the thing with 4 battery packs that are intended for 9 volt service, what you are looking for are the 7.5 volt, 6 cell, NI-CAD batterys. This will allow one to fit the " cells " in with the least of work, the connections are simple soldering, the thermister is easy to place between the " cells ", and, the can be done on the cheap, I bought the " 9 volt 7.5 volt ) units for $ 1.50 surplus. The rebuild packs have a run-time of under an hour but cost less than $ 10.00 . The " correct " re-build packs have a good 30+ minutes longer life but are more expensive and require more work. Also, if you score the seams to the point that the pack is easy to split apart and sand the seams a little bit before putting things back together you will have a much nicer looking pack. The other thing you can do is build an outboard supply, the thing needs 7.5 volts and so anything that can supply correct voltage and current will work, including the power supplies intended for the motorola " brick " cell phone. The chip in the motorola supplies is the LM7807.5 . From cph Wed May 31 23:43:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA10089 for ; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:43:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24418; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 31 May 2000 23:43:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24311; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24297; Wed, 31 May 2000 23:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 31 May 2000 23:43:13 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.13.239]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000601034311.FGNT6885.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2000 03:43:11 +0000 Message-ID: <008101bfcb7a$eb655ac0$ef0d4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Re[2]: How standard are floppy drives on ThinkPads? Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 22:38:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. The 701 will use a 2.88 meg drive in the dock, no problem.