From cph Sat Jul 1 09:26:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA13767 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:26:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04195; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:24:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:22:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04025; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04012; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60 -> cpimssmtpu10.smtp.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:22:20 -0400 Received: from burean - 63.27.183.77 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 06:21:53 -0700 From: "burean" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: Problems Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 08:17:48 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <0d5ae5321130170CPIMSSMTPU10@email.msn.com> List-Unsubscribe: I think my old 560 is ready to bite the dust. Last week the thing just died. I thought it was the power supply. Got a new one, and it booted right up. Last night I plugged in the mouse and it died on me again. Unplugged it, couple hours later it booted up. adjusted the screen angle, wham down it went. Now after overnight nothing. I'm beginning to think there is a crack or a short on the motherboard near the mouse port. It has done this in the past, but would always just reboot. anybody got a good MB or I'm gonna just part this sucker out and get another 560. 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X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zf/19zf List-Unsubscribe: I'm leaning towards an A20, but would like to at least get an idea for the keyboard feel and the display (along with the trackpoint action - I saw someone's Tosh last week where the trackpoint was hyperactive and almost unusable)? No go at Staples or Office Max. IBM website doesn't show dealers, and a web search on thinkpad retailer turned up one outfit in San Francisco :-( I'd really rather not travel to NYC but Rochester or Syracuse is doable. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- Murphy's Anachronism: disk failures occur immediately before backing up. From cph Sat Jul 1 16:59:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA15374 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:59:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22209; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:57:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22095; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22082; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Jul 2000 16:56:58 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.12.194]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000701205656.IOFB17650.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:56:56 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01bfe39e$660e14c0$c20c4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Where can I kick some tires - A20 ???? Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 15:53:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. I do not recommend you kick a computer, even if it comes with tires!. I have tried the A20, not a bad machine, in Windsor,Ont,Canada. This was at the IBM centre, not that far from the ambassador bridge. The IBM centers have them, however they are not selling them, they are for the use of the employees, however everybody who had one was willing to let me take it ' around the block '. I have had problems with the video capture. I also am somewhat curious, why no TV tuner card?, this would take very little when you consider the video encoder/decoder and proc-amp are already there. Have fun, and do not run wipe disk, yes it's there. From cph Sat Jul 1 21:19:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA16421 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:19:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29448; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:18:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:14:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29204; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29191; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.226 -> blount.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:14:06 -0400 Received: from WALD7 (user-37kac38.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.48.104]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA04082 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:14:03 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: Subject: RE: Where can I kick some tires - A20 ???? Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:17:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <200007012040.e61Ke6x13623@bean.epix.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Come on, Julian. You either want the form factor of the A20 or not! Are you an IBM person, or not? A TOSHIBA person? Or maybe a DELL person? That's really what its all about. And that's why you will not find these machines at the retail level. No one that buys at this level buys retail any more. BTW, the screen is great (at least on the A20p), and the keyboard is as good as previous TP's (Iv'e owned 5 over the years). JMHO Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Julian Thomas [mailto:jt@epix.net] Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2000 4:37 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Where can I kick some tires - A20 ???? I'm leaning towards an A20, but would like to at least get an idea for the keyboard feel and the display (along with the trackpoint action - I saw someone's Tosh last week where the trackpoint was hyperactive and almost unusable)? No go at Staples or Office Max. IBM website doesn't show dealers, and a web search on thinkpad retailer turned up one outfit in San Francisco :-( I'd really rather not travel to NYC but Rochester or Syracuse is doable. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- Murphy's Anachronism: disk failures occur immediately before backing up. From cph Sat Jul 1 21:53:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA16531 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:53:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00055; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:50:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29953; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29940; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:50:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (199.224.64.57 -> bean.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:50:19 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp102.epix.net [199.224.125.102]) by bean.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000052301/PL) with SMTP id e621oHx06736 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 21:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007020150.e621oHx06736@bean.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 21:49:15 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Where can I kick some tires - A20 ???? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zf/19zf List-Unsubscribe: In , on 07/01/00 at 09:17 PM, "William Armstrong" typed: >Come on, Julian. You either want the form factor of the A20 or not! Are >you an IBM person, or not? A TOSHIBA person? Or maybe a DELL person? Well, my first laptop was an ancient Toshiba with 2 meg/40 meg; I then moved to a TP 755CE which is still sitting here. But with a 486 and 40 meg/540 meg, it's a little bit dated these days (especially with an external backpack par port CD drive). The only Tosh I've seen recently had an adequate screen, but the trackpoint was hyperactive and almost unusable. My only experience with Dell is with a 2300 server. The A20M specs look really nice on paper for the model I saw. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count & those who can't. From cph Sat Jul 1 22:13:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA16584 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:13:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01194; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:12:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:10:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01096; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:10:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01083; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:10:41 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.217.180]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000702021040.JYXP6885.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:10:40 +0000 Message-ID: <395EA424.CA970D2C@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 22:08:36 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Thomas CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Where can I kick some tires - A20 ???? References: <200007012040.e61Ke6x13623@bean.epix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Julian Thomas wrote: > > I'm leaning towards an A20, but would like to at least get an idea for the > keyboard feel and the display (along with the trackpoint action - I saw > someone's Tosh last week where the trackpoint was hyperactive and almost > unusable)? > Trackpoint is adjustible. The display 15" is super and the keyboard is great. Via Voice dictation is a breeze. Great for digital photo work. Detail with 1400x1050 res screen. Best I can do as far as feel. Touch the screen while viewing these pictures http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=684534&a=4985810 Where in the Fingerlakes are you? I was at Cornell over 50 years ago. Birger From cph Sat Jul 1 23:25:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA16762 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 23:25:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03698; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 23:23:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 1 Jul 2000 23:21:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03435; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 23:21:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03422; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 23:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (192.160.13.1 -> bolero.rahul.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 1 Jul 2000 23:21:35 -0400 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA01389 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:21:33 -0700 Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by bolero.rahul.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 8612197005 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 1379 invoked from network); 2 Jul 2000 03:21:31 -0000 Received: from m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com (HELO NewPad) (198.144.205.90) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 2 Jul 2000 03:21:31 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Will Lau" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Ghosting twin HDD on 600x Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 20:21:33 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: You do need to boot DOS to run Ghost, no way around that. I use this solution: A small DOS partition at the beginning of the hard drive, with DOS utilities like Ghost installed on it. The Windows 2000 partition then fills up the rest of the drive. I use System Commander to select DOS or Windows 2000 at boot time. On a large drive, I think the DOS partition has to be at the beginning for it to boot, but I'm not 100% sure about that. I put it at the beginning on mine anyway. It doesn't matter on a smaller drive (less than 8Gb if I recall right). If you move the Windows 2000 partition so it's the second partition instead of the first, you need to edit boot.ini and change "partition(1)" to "partition(2)" each place it occurs, or it won't boot. One good way to do this is to edit the file before you make the conversion, and duplicate the line that resembles this: multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional" /fastdetect In the second copy change partition(1) to partition(2), and also change the name: multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="Microsoft Windows 2000 Professional (2)" /fastdetect This way you can boot Windows 2000 regardless of whether it's on the first or second partition, by selecting one of these two entries at boot time. Once you've got everything converted over and booting, you can take out the original entry on the new disk, and change the default to match. If you forget to do this, you can edit boot.ini on the new drive by installing both drives and booting from the original drive. That's the only real snag you should run into. After you've got the DOS and Windows 2000 partitions set up, you can use System Commander or another boot manager to select them. For testing, you can even boot from floppy and use FDISK to set the active partition. Hope that helps, holler if any questions. -Mike > I just bought Ghost2000, thinking it was WIN2000 compatible (it said > DOS/95/98/2000 on the site). Having never used this app before I was > disappointed to find it's a DOS app and I need to boot to DOS to mirror my > Hard Drive to my backup SlimBay drive. > > I run Win2000 exclusively, on a single NTFS partition. Is there anyway I can > mirror my drives? I dont have enough bays to boot from floppy. I don't take > my external FDD with me - just the slimbay cartridge and the bay already has > the backup HDD in it. > > Actually I tried to boot from DOS and it said I was missing the NTLoader! From cph Sun Jul 2 02:20:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA17334 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:20:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07844; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:16:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07644; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07631; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:16:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (216.70.64.24 -> mrs-1-fix.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:16:18 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (1Cust163.tnt28.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.27.211.163]) by mrs-1.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA57465; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 02:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <395E2217.93A22B27@mail.orion.org> Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2000 11:53:43 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: burean CC: ThinkPad mailing list Subject: Re: Problems References: <0d5ae5321130170CPIMSSMTPU10@email.msn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: burean wrote: > > I think my old 560 is ready to bite the dust. Last week the thing just > died. I thought it was the power supply. Got a new one, and it booted > right up. Last night I plugged in the mouse and it died on me again. > Unplugged it, couple hours later it booted up. > adjusted the screen angle, wham down it went. Now after overnight nothing. > I'm beginning to think there is a crack or a short on the motherboard near > the mouse port. It has done this in the past, but would always just > reboot. > anybody got a good MB or I'm gonna just part this sucker out and get > another 560. I had similar problems with my 560. At first, any time I set the laptop down on the table a little too hard, it would reboot. Then it got worse, to where any time I tapped on it in the wrist-rest area, it would reboot. Eventually, it got to where pressing the keys or even pressing the mouse buttons would cause it to reboot repeatedly. After disassembling it completely, I pulled the motherboard and put it through some rigorous tests consisting of gentle tapping of every single component trying to isolate the cause of the power cycling. I came to the conclusion that it was some broken solder joints on the motherboard side of the DC-DC converter board connector. I pulled out my pencil-tip soldering iron and painstakingly resoldered some of the pins on the connector. Luckily, that fixed the problem! Judging by the amount of flex possible in the 560's case, I would think that puts stress on the DC-DC converter board's connector (especially on the motherboard side). It looked to me like that would be a pretty common with the 560-series. So far it hasn't happened to my 560X though. It wouldn't surprise me at all if you have the same problem. Try a little tapping, if that makes it go down, I'm almost sure that's the problem. You have to have a really fine tip soldering iron, very steady hand, and a good deal of patience to fix it. -- Shawn Lin http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ From cph Sun Jul 2 04:56:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA17815 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 04:56:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13609; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 04:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 04:53:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13442; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 04:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13428; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 04:53:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 04:53:28 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA27685 for ; Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:53:24 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000501bfe403$3073e640$365c1c3f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: [TP701] Cheap hard drive cages spotted Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2000 22:54:50 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: http://www.pcliquidator.com/tp701cage.htm No connection, etc.; in fact, I'd appreciate hearing how these guys are as merchants (I don't have a 701 any more, so won't be buying one of these:-) - David R. From cph Sun Jul 2 05:08:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA17843 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 05:08:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13964; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 05:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 05:05:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13839; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 05:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaae.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13825; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 05:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaae.compuserve.com (149.174.206.138 -> ds-img-5.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 05:04:59 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaae.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id FAA00206 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 05:04:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 05:04:14 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Removing W98 Suspend... Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200007020504_MC2-AAD8-6636@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA17844 One of the most annoying things from moving up from W95 on my 755CX is the time it takes to come out from suspend - sometimes 2/3 mins and often accompanied with an MWave error message... Is there any way to remove it or get back to the older system? I have installed the W98 Patch for this model but to no effect. Cheers Mark From cph Sun Jul 2 09:38:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA27842 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:37:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22679; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:36:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:34:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22536; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from urban.iinet.net.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA22523; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from urban.iinet.net.au (203.59.24.231 -> urban.iinet.net.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:34:19 -0400 Received: from muzak.iinet.net.au (muzak.iinet.net.au [203.59.24.237]) by urban.iinet.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA21973; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 21:34:03 +0800 Received: from snapper3 (reggae-17-174.nv.iinet.net.au [203.59.75.174]) by muzak.iinet.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA14762; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 21:34:01 +0800 From: "Will Lau" To: "Mark Gardiner" <100550.3170@compuserve.com>, "thinkpad" Subject: RE: Removing W98 Suspend... Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 21:34:45 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200007020504_MC2-AAD8-6636@compuserve.com> List-Unsubscribe: Wow that is incredible - wouldn't it be better to shutdown if suspend takes that long? In my experience having PCMCIA cards slotted in slow things down a bit as the OS tries to initiate it (well it did on my old toshiba's). BTW - resume takes 3 secs on my W2000 600x - even with stuff in the slots. -Will > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Gardiner [mailto:100550.3170@compuserve.com] > Sent: Sunday, 2 July 2000 5:04 PM > To: thinkpad > Subject: Removing W98 Suspend... > > > One of the most annoying things from moving up from W95 on my 755CX is the > time it takes to come out from suspend - sometimes 2/3 mins and often > accompanied with an MWave error message... > > Is there any way to remove it or get back to the older system? > > I have installed the W98 Patch for this model but to no effect. > > Cheers > > Mark > From cph Sun Jul 2 11:10:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA28170 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:10:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24732; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:03:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24618; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24605; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:03:39 -0400 Received: from burean - 63.27.183.166 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:03:16 -0700 From: "burean" To: Subject: 560 keyboard Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 09:59:18 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <022e91603150270CPIMSSMTPU08@email.msn.com> List-Unsubscribe: Someone was wanting my 560 keyboard here on the list. I've lost my notes please reply again. Thanks From cph Sun Jul 2 11:29:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA28206 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:29:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25543; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:26:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25449; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:26:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25436; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:26:46 -0400 Received: from burean - 63.27.183.166 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 08:26:23 -0700 From: "burean" To: Subject: 560 parts Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 10:22:24 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <02cf72326150270CPIMSSMTPU08@email.msn.com> List-Unsubscribe: What models of thinkpads can I use my 2.1 gig 560 HD drive in. I've given up on trying to get my old 560 working, so I have a ton of parts on ebay if your needing anything, battery, TFT screen, NEW DS screen, ac adapter, memory, floppy with cable etc. I just need to keep the HD for my next machine. Thanks for the help. Brad From cph Sun Jul 2 14:11:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA28917 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:11:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01290; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:10:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:07:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01079; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01065; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:07:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 14:07:08 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA12808 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 11:07:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <395F8476.ECC36619@stanford.edu> Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 11:05:42 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: Removing W98 Suspend... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: As I understand it, W98 reloads every single driver when you resume. This is supposed to improve stability, at the cost of speed. I tried W98, hated this new "feature" and went back to W95. I have no need for W2K and am too cheap to shell out $$$ for it when I can work without it so I'm still running Win95 (and Office 95). Benjamin Will Lau wrote: > > Wow that is incredible - wouldn't it be better to shutdown if suspend takes > that long? > > In my experience having PCMCIA cards slotted in slow things down a bit as > the OS tries to initiate it (well it did on my old toshiba's). > > BTW - resume takes 3 secs on my W2000 600x - even with stuff in the slots. > > -Will > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Gardiner [mailto:100550.3170@compuserve.com] > > Sent: Sunday, 2 July 2000 5:04 PM > > To: thinkpad > > Subject: Removing W98 Suspend... > > > > > > One of the most annoying things from moving up from W95 on my 755CX is the > > time it takes to come out from suspend - sometimes 2/3 mins and often > > accompanied with an MWave error message... > > > > Is there any way to remove it or get back to the older system? > > > > I have installed the W98 Patch for this model but to no effect. > > > > Cheers > > > > Mark > > -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on a Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Sun Jul 2 17:52:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA29864 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 17:52:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06977; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 17:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 17:49:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06808; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 17:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06795; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 17:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 17:49:24 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.15.69]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000702214922.ZCPR2120.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 21:49:22 +0000 Message-ID: <001101bfe46e$e0d42c00$450f4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Windows suspend 95/98 Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 16:45:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. Windows 95 that has been " upgraded " can do really strange things on suspend. I have a 701 that works great with WIN 3.1.1 FWG and WIN 95, early edition. If I add software that upgrades rundll32, hardware drivers sometimes have upgrades, I have this problem, otherwise 3 seconds for suspend and 5 seconds for hibernate is what I deal with. UNIX/LINUX is much more stable then WIN9x. WIN3.1.1 FWG is somewhat more stable. From cph Sun Jul 2 18:12:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA29914 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:12:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07738; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:10:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07524; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07511; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (209.30.2.14 -> ogopogo.flash.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:10:08 -0400 Received: from tomcollins (216-215-73-212.flash.net [216.215.73.212]) by ogopogo.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA29766; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 17:10:05 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001301bfe47a$f1616c20$d449d7d8@tomcollins> From: "wrench" To: "burean" , Subject: Re: 560 keyboard Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 18:11:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I am looking for a top bezel (cover). The plastic is cracked over my left hinge. The whole top cover is pretty flimsy when removed. I guess a former owner cracked it. -----Original Message----- From: burean To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: July 02, 2000 10:05 AM Subject: 560 keyboard >Someone was wanting my 560 keyboard here on the list. I've lost my notes >please reply again. Thanks > > > From cph Sun Jul 2 22:25:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA30891 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:25:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21744; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:20:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20146; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:20:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20115; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:20:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:20:22 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a207.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.208]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA09338 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007030220.WAA09338@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a207.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.208] 209.198.113.208 Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 20:27:10 -0400 To: In-Reply-To: <001101bfe46e$e0d42c00$450f4a0c@701c> Subject: Re: Windows suspend 95/98 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 (Unregistered) List-Unsubscribe: rudolph wratten" said: >Hello. >Windows 95 that has been " upgraded " can do really strange things on >suspend. >I have a 701 that works great with WIN 3.1.1 FWG and WIN 95, early edition. >If I add software that upgrades rundll32, hardware drivers sometimes have >upgrades, >I have this problem, otherwise 3 seconds for suspend and 5 seconds for >hibernate is >what I deal with. Did you actually time the recovery period for suspend until the you can do something or just until the screen appears normal? -- I'm also amazed at 5 second you find for recovery from hibernate because on my 600E it takes that long just to read the hibernate disk file. ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Jul 2 22:40:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA30992 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:40:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24459; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:36:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24281; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24268; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:36:28 -0400 Received: from zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id e632aQT04922; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:36:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) id e632aQl01673; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: "Will Lau" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Ghosting twin HDD on 600x References: From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 02 Jul 2000 22:36:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Will Lau"'s message of "Sat, 1 Jul 2000 08:54:17 +0800" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: > Is there anyway I can mirror my drives? Howdy- While I personally think Michael's suggestion is better than the one I'm about to make (I do something similar, except I put my DOS partition _after_ my NTFS and ext2 partitions to keep the drive letters a little more straightforward), I can suggest another route: W2k offers software RAID. You may be able to create at least a data partition that is mirrored to the other drive. This doesn't provide a 100% backup (and it is more resource intensive, see the warning in the help files about placing your page file there), but it does directly answer your question. Peace, dNb P.S. No warranty stated or implied--I've never attempted to use W2k's RAID functionality myself. From cph Sun Jul 2 23:01:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA31073 for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 23:01:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28273; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:54:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27772; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from urban.iinet.net.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27718; Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from urban.iinet.net.au (203.59.24.231 -> urban.iinet.net.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:54:26 -0400 Received: from snapper3 (reggae-06-241.nv.iinet.net.au [203.59.83.241]) by urban.iinet.net.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA13431; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:54:04 +0800 From: "Will Lau" To: , "Will Lau" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Ghosting twin HDD on 600x Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:54:48 +0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Thanks, I really dont want to muck around with partitions and booting up with DOS. I would really like to backup in the background while I use the machine. How well would this work... I just use the standard W2000 backup utility to dump a bkf file on my 2nd HDD. Then to restore onto a fresh drive I install W2000 on a clean HDD and click restore. Would I be back where I started from, or would I be missing lots of things like my updated drivers, registry entires, etc. -Will > -----Original Message----- > From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu [mailto:dnb@ccs.neu.edu] > Sent: Monday, 3 July 2000 10:36 AM > To: Will Lau > Cc: ThinkPad List > Subject: Re: Ghosting twin HDD on 600x > > > > Is there anyway I can mirror my drives? > > Howdy- > While I personally think Michael's suggestion is better than the one > I'm about to make (I do something similar, except I put my DOS > partition _after_ my NTFS and ext2 partitions to keep the drive > letters a little more straightforward), I can suggest another route: > > W2k offers software RAID. You may be able to create at least a data > partition that is mirrored to the other drive. This doesn't provide > a 100% backup (and it is more resource intensive, see the warning in > the help files about placing your page file there), but it does > directly answer your question. > > Peace, > dNb > > P.S. No warranty stated or implied--I've never attempted to use W2k's > RAID functionality myself. > From cph Mon Jul 3 01:42:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA31660 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:41:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10692; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:38:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10472; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:38:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collide.evcom.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10459; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collide.evcom.net (216.10.32.7 -> collide.evcom.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:38:23 -0400 Received: from zothommog.evcom.net (root@zothommog.evcom.net [216.10.32.8]) by collide.evcom.net (8.10.2/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e635cLX00770; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:38:21 -0400 Received: from treco.net (mia-tcr7-151.dyn.evcom.net [216.10.44.151]) by zothommog.evcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA14917; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:38:20 -0400 Message-ID: <396026A8.8F50E99D@treco.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 01:37:44 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jzordan@lcvcpa.com, thinkpad list Subject: Re: firewalls References: <000001bfe460$c3a99f10$499c0c18@ZMAN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John.. thinkpad list to subscribe, you must send to a special e-mail address.. i'll get it and send it to you or you can ask at the list and someone will send the appropriate address to you.. (i worked on my well all afternoon and evening.. electrolysis ate a hole in a galvanized pipe!) John Zordan wrote: > Bill, > > Let me know if you find one you like. > > BTW, will you send me info on the ThinkPad "email list" > I know that's not the correct term. I had it long ago, but do not any > longer. > The email where people sent messages or can ask questions and everyone that > subscribes receives it. > > Thanks > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Morrow [mailto:morrow@treco.net] > Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2000 12:07 AM > To: jzordan@lcvcpa.com > Subject: Re: firewalls > > John.. > > i downloaded zonealarm.. > seems ok, but not as configuerable as i had hoped.. > its the free version, so i suppose this is to be expected.. > > looking for one that will report the action of cookies.. > :-) > > thanks for these two additional links.. i'll take a look > right away.. :-) > > John Zordan wrote: > > > Hi Bill,Below are a couple of url's for the products that > > I mentioned are being used in two of our other > > offices:http://wingate.deerfield.com/ http://www.winroute.com/ John > > John Zordan jzordan@lcvcpa.com Lindgren, Callihan PO > > Box 1717 Rockford, IL 61110-0217 (815) 399-7700 > > -- > Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > thinkpads.com Open Forum > http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > E-Mail: bill@thinkpads.com, morrow@treco.net -- Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com thinkpads.com Open Forum http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? E-Mail: bill@thinkpads.com, morrow@treco.net From cph Mon Jul 3 01:58:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA31708 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:58:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11322; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:55:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11194; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:55:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web108.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11181; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:55:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web108.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.75 -> web108.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 01:55:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 20456 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jul 2000 05:55:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000703055530.20455.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web108.yahoomail.com; Sun, 02 Jul 2000 22:55:30 PDT Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2000 22:55:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: [TP701] Cheap hard drive cages spotted To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Terrible as merchants! They will only sell to those using a credit card and they don't take mail orders! --- David Ross wrote: > http://www.pcliquidator.com/tp701cage.htm > > No connection, etc.; in fact, I'd appreciate hearing > how these guys are > as merchants > (I don't have a 701 any more, so won't be buying one > of these:-) > > - David R. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Mon Jul 3 09:46:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA00668 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:46:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00186; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:42:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29980; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:42:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA29967; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:42:46 -0400 Received: from zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id e63DgiT20387; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) id e63Dgi902488; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 09:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: "Will Lau" Cc: , "ThinkPad List" Subject: Re: Ghosting twin HDD on 600x References: From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 03 Jul 2000 09:42:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Will Lau"'s message of "Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:54:48 +0800" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: "Will Lau" writes: > I just use the standard W2000 backup utility to dump a bkf file on my 2nd > HDD. Then to restore onto a fresh drive I install W2000 on a clean HDD and > click restore. > > Would I be back where I started from, or would I be missing lots of things > like my updated drivers, registry entires, etc. I'm afraid I don't know much about how well the builtin w2k backup program works when dealing with things like open registry hives and other open files. I suspect you'd get back all of your user-created data (documents, etc.) minus anything open at the time of backup. The system stuff sounds a bit more dicey to me. Peace, dNb From cph Mon Jul 3 11:23:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA01181 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:23:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05952; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:18:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05719; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05706; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (199.224.64.57 -> bean.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:18:35 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp59.epix.net [199.224.125.59]) by bean.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000052301/PL) with SMTP id e63FIXR19070 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:18:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007031518.e63FIXR19070@bean.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:11:53 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: "recovery" CD X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zf/19zf List-Unsubscribe: Talking to IBM sales - the A20 comes with a W98 "Recovery CD" as opposed to a standard W98 product CD. How well does this coexist with boot manager and a multiple OS setup? And can the recovery CD be used later to install things like printer drivers, etc. that are not part of the initial installation? -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- Switching is a science, radio is an art. Grounding is Black Magic. From cph Mon Jul 3 11:53:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA01382 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:53:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08299; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:48:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07796; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07781; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:48:50 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.249.44]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000703154849.EPIM2120.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 15:48:49 +0000 Message-ID: <3960B56A.417F8AFF@worldnet.att.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 11:46:50 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Thomas CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: "recovery" CD References: <200007031518.e63FIXR19070@bean.epix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Julian Thomas wrote: > > Talking to IBM sales - the A20 comes with a W98 "Recovery CD" as opposed > to a standard W98 product CD. > > How well does this coexist with boot manager and a multiple OS setup? > > And can the recovery CD be used later to install things like printer > drivers, etc. that are not part of the initial installation? The IBM recovery CD includes all the drivers etc to make the ThinkPad just like it was when you got it. Birger From cph Mon Jul 3 12:38:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA01634 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:38:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22335; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:32:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21135; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out.visi.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21121; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:32:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out.visi.com (209.98.98.22 -> kauket.visi.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:32:32 -0400 Received: from deuce (170-229.dynamic.visi.com [209.98.170.229]) by mail-out.visi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 3A74437C0; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:32:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002a01bfe514$c1168b50$e5aa62d1@deuce> From: "Chris Schumann" To: , "Julian Thomas" Cc: References: <3960B56A.417F8AFF@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: "recovery" CD Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:33:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > > Talking to IBM sales - the A20 comes with a W98 "Recovery CD" as opposed > > to a standard W98 product CD. > > > > How well does this coexist with boot manager and a multiple OS setup? > > > > And can the recovery CD be used later to install things like printer > > drivers, etc. that are not part of the initial installation? > > The IBM recovery CD includes all the drivers etc to make the ThinkPad > just like it was when you got it. The 600X I bought last month came with a Win98 recovery CD. It has two options: One is to make the hard drive appear exactly as it was when the device shipped, so it removes all partitions, creates what it likes, copies files and whatever else. The other option is to rebuild the C: drive, so that one will keep your partitions intact. As part of the installation, the Win98 install files are put on the hard drive in \windows\options\cabs. It takes 200MB, but you can delete those if you like and get them from the CD. Chris From cph Mon Jul 3 12:38:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA01638 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:38:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22302; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:35:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:31:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20964; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20921; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 12:31:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19135; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:31:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 11:31:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Julian Thomas cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: "recovery" CD In-Reply-To: <200007031518.e63FIXR19070@bean.epix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Not in the traditional way, no. Instead the recovery CD puts all the .cab files on your hard disk during the install. On my T20-Win98SE, the .cabs occupy 206MB in c:\windows\options\cabs. When I need a driver from the Windows CD I point the installer to this directory. I have been reading bits and pieces that the IBM restore CD installation of Windows is not exactly the same as installing from a regular Microsoft CD. I'm not addressing the IBM specific drivers and programs, but of Windows itself. Some claim that it is best to install from a regular MS Win CD and add the IBM stuff later. I'll be facing this soon enough, since I have loaded up my new toy with all sorts of junk and need a clean install. On Mon, 3 Jul 2000, Julian Thomas wrote: > And can the recovery CD be used later to install things like printer > drivers, etc. that are not part of the initial installation? -- Mitchell Leben Owner of scan@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for film & print scanners. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe scan' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Mon Jul 3 13:31:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA01959 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:31:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26614; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:27:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26271; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:27:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26244; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (204.181.58.56 -> p204.181.58.56.syspac.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 13:27:06 -0400 Received: (from jones@localhost) by box3.pyrrhusoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id KAA02944; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:25:46 -0700 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 10:25:46 -0700 Message-Id: <200007031725.KAA02944@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> From: David Jones To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP240] Linux & NT ok? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Folks: I am about to bite the bullet; get a 240 (the early Celeron 300MHz model) - they are hovering around $1K. Question: I plan on removing W98 and installing Linux and NT. Are there any pitfalls to watch out for? Thanks, David Jones From cph Mon Jul 3 21:32:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA04707 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:32:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23605; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:26:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23291; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23277; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:26:49 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jax9-185.leading.net [216.199.5.185]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA22326; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:25:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396166C5.6AD5@southeast.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:23:33 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: thinkpads@onelist.com Subject: Check Sum Error and other problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello Everyone, I am still working on getting all of my Thinkpad 1420i problems solved. I have all ready sent it back to IBM once to have the USB humm fixed, and now one month later, it looks like it will be going back again soon. If anyone has any info about these problems, or how to fix them, please let me know as soon as possible. 1) Many times when I turn on the unit I see the screen flash "Check Sum Error"... What does this mean? 2) Many times whem I am using the unit, it totally locks up, and the screen goes black. It will not respond to anything other than a hard reset (hold power button for 5 sec.). 3) The hard disk has a sort of "click" sound every few seconds, when not active. I have been told this is to keep the heads moving in different places. ??...?... Thanks for any help on the above. Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Mon Jul 3 22:52:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA05163 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:52:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27542; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:45:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27197; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:45:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27180; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:45:34 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jaxtnt1-1.fdn.com [216.199.4.15]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA24152; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3961793D.188@southeast.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 22:42:21 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: andres@msu.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: thinkpads@onelist.com Subject: Battery Problem-- 1420i Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: One more thing, I can not get the battery to stay charged. I can totally drain the battery, and then charge it. I used the unit for about 10 minutes, then shut it down to go off for the day. -- This afternoon I tried to run the unit from battery power, and it would not even power up. It beeps as if the battery is dead. How is this possible? I really think IBM should exchange this thing for a new unit. Nothing but problems. Thanks, Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Mon Jul 3 23:22:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA05278 for ; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:22:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28835; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:18:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28635; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28619; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:18:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:18:53 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.12.66]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000704031850.XWXV1264.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 03:18:50 +0000 Message-ID: <002a01bfe566$11fecf40$420c4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Windows suspend 95/98 Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2000 22:15:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. Perhaps I should have been clear on the subject. I can recover from hibernate in 5 seconds, in Win3.1.1. Windows 95, takes much longer, windows 98, you just as well re-boot the machine. The new beta windows, that might never see the market, is so big that a 701 cannot create a HIB file large enough. What does everyone think of microsoft becoming 2 companies?. Does anyone think windows will become better,perhaps more streamlined, or simply stripped of some of the useful features?. I wonder if we will see another " bell system breakup ". From cph Tue Jul 4 00:03:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA05430 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 00:03:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00295; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 00:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:59:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00086; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00067; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:59:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:59:27 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-304.gate.net [199.227.131.113]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA49508; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 23:59:23 -0400 Message-ID: <3961612D.A6B55779@gate.net> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 23:59:41 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ajwells@att.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Smart Media adapter for TP? References: <395BBCB6.1F4@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: you have two choices.. that I know about.. a floppy adapter and a pcmcia adapter.. the floppy adapter i use came as an accessory with my olympus camera.. the PCMCIA adapter i use is a viking adapter.. the floppy requires a driver and the PCMCIA one appears as an additional HDD under win9x and w2k.. IMO the PCMCIA is the easiest as long as you're using windows.. ajwells@att.net wrote: > Anyone have any recommendations for PCMCIA Smart Media card readers for > a 600x? I have an 8MB camera card that I would rather throw right into > the computer rather than vai parallel cables from the camera -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Jul 4 00:46:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA05558 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 00:46:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02186; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 00:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 00:42:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01994; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 00:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01980; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 00:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 00:42:35 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a15.pm3-29.theriver.com [206.102.195.79]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E737525D75; Mon, 3 Jul 2000 21:42:20 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <39616C05.B65237CB@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2000 21:45:57 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pctech@southeast.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, thinkpads@onelist.com Subject: Re: Check Sum Error and other problems References: <396166C5.6AD5@southeast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Computer-Guru wrote: > > Hello Everyone, > > I am still working on getting all of my Thinkpad 1420i problems solved. > I have all ready sent it back to IBM once to have the USB humm fixed, > and now one month later, it looks like it will be going back again soon. > > If anyone has any info about these problems, or how to fix them, please > let me know as soon as possible. > > 1) Many times when I turn on the unit I see the screen flash "Check Sum > Error"... What does this mean? Sounds like a BIOS or BIOS battery problem. Looks like another trip to EZServe for the poor thing.... > > 2) Many times whem I am using the unit, it totally locks up, and the > screen goes black. It will not respond to anything other than a hard > reset (hold power button for 5 sec.). Hmmm. Sounds like a system problem. Maybe related to your operating system. > > 3) The hard disk has a sort of "click" sound every few seconds, when not > active. I have been told this is to keep the heads moving in different > places. ??...?... This does not sound right. Usually when a hard drive "spins down" it remains quiet. Maybe your hard drive is not operating correctly. James Mckenzie From cph Tue Jul 4 04:57:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA06304 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 04:57:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11086; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 04:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 04:51:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10910; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 04:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10897; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 04:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 04:51:43 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.15.72]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000704085141.ZDLQ1264.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 08:51:41 +0000 Message-ID: <001501bfe594$91a6a000$480f4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Re: Check Sum Error and other problems Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 03:47:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. A check sum error means just that, you see, IBM uses a bit of math to check the hardware/firmware/software. If you can record the # of the error, tracking the cause of the error is much easier. My guess, there is some problem, not corrected, that is the cause of all of your problems. For example, the power supply could be unstable, this can cause a slight hum, the harddrive to click, and yes, the machine to display check sum errors. There could be another cause, hence the need for the error code. From cph Tue Jul 4 11:03:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA07327 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:03:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25519; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:57:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25268; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25255; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:57:19 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jaxtnt1-168.fdn.com [216.199.4.182]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA05993 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:56:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396224C4.1808@southeast.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 10:54:12 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Check Sum Error and other problems References: <001501bfe594$91a6a000$480f4a0c@701c> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone have more ideas about this problem? -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Tue Jul 4 14:31:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08347 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:31:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02708; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:28:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:25:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02441; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02428; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:25:26 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.12.68]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000704182524.DMRL6885.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:25:24 +0000 Message-ID: <000601bfe5e4$b7ec8ae0$440c4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Check sum errors Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 13:21:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. I looked up the i series, service history is the pits. Perhaps IBM has a string of bad parts, or the design is pushing the envelope. Whatever the case, problems abound, including screens that cloud, hard drives that go clunk/grind in the night, USB that can hum a tune, and lets not forget the 'power plug roasting on a burning wall', . All in all, really great "Thinkpads". And remember, EZ Serve knows about the problems, everybody did get the extended warranty?. From cph Tue Jul 4 15:25:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA08628 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:25:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04447; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:23:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:20:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04219; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out.visi.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04203; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:20:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out.visi.com (209.98.98.22 -> kauket.visi.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:20:45 -0400 Received: from deuce (171-11.dynamic.visi.com [209.98.171.11]) by mail-out.visi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id F03E738D8; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:20:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001b01bfe5f5$64569f90$0bab62d1@deuce> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "rudolph wratten" , References: <002a01bfe566$11fecf40$420c4a0c@701c> Subject: Re: Windows suspend 95/98 Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 14:21:07 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: rudolph wratten To: Sent: Monday, July 3, 2000 9:15 PM Subject: Windows suspend 95/98 > Hello. > > Perhaps I should have been clear on the subject. > I can recover from hibernate in 5 seconds, in Win3.1.1. > Windows 95, takes much longer, windows 98, you just > as well re-boot the machine. My ThinkPad 600X manual states that Win98 takes much longer to resume >from suspend and it's a function of the OS, not the machine. I suspect it has more robust recovery for things like networks and such. Hibernate should function the same as suspend, except for saving and restoring the hibernation file. That file, by the way, is sized according to your RAM only. The operating system has no bearing on that, nor does the OS even know about hibernation. > The new beta windows, that might never see the market, is so big that a 701 > cannot create a HIB file large enough. Huh? Again, the HIB file should be sized according to how much RAM you have. Keep in mind that thinkpad's like FAT filesystems for the hibernation file, and older thinkpad's must have a FAT16 partition. Chris From cph Tue Jul 4 15:28:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA08632 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:27:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04774; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:23:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04477; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:23:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04461; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:23:51 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.54.6]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000704192349.FXXN17650.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 19:23:49 +0000 Message-ID: <39623A19.191C@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 15:25:13 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rudolph wratten CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Check sum errors References: <000601bfe5e4$b7ec8ae0$440c4a0c@701c> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: THat's why true ThinkPad folks don't buy machines made by Acer! rudolph wratten wrote: > > Hello. > > I looked up the i series, service history is the pits. > Perhaps IBM has a string of bad parts, or the design is pushing the > envelope. > Whatever the case, problems abound, including screens that cloud, hard > drives that go clunk/grind in the night, USB that can hum a tune, and lets > not forget the 'power plug roasting on a burning wall', . > All in all, really great "Thinkpads". > And remember, EZ Serve knows about the problems, everybody did get the > extended warranty?. From cph Tue Jul 4 16:02:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA08768 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:02:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06767; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 16:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:57:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06510; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06497; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:57:21 -0400 Received: from tp466 (adsl-207-68-50-6.bellatlantic.net [207.68.50.6]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA24963; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000501bfe5f2$07870a00$6401a8c0@tp466> Reply-To: "Jim Biggerstaff" From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: , "rudolph wratten" Cc: References: <000601bfe5e4$b7ec8ae0$440c4a0c@701c> <39623A19.191C@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Check sum errors Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 15:56:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > THat's why true ThinkPad folks don't buy machines made by Acer! > Ah, nothing like the word "true" to perk me right up. I've had a 360C, a 755C and 755CX, a 701C, and a 560. I remain delighted with my i1480. Please share with us, Markowitz, in some detail: a. What is a "true" Thinkpad folk? and b. Who determines fitness for this lofty status? Eagerly awaiting the determination of my worthiness or lack therof. jim From cph Tue Jul 4 17:37:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA09278 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:37:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10127; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:32:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09914; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09901; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 17:32:53 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.2.149]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000704213251.DMGJ1264.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:32:51 +0000 Message-ID: <39625857.7AFD@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 17:34:15 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Biggerstaff CC: rudolph wratten , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Check sum errors References: <000601bfe5e4$b7ec8ae0$440c4a0c@701c> <39623A19.191C@worldnet.att.net> <000501bfe5f2$07870a00$6401a8c0@tp466> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Some of us stay away from the "one year warranty" machines, like the 1 series made by Acer. They just don't seem to live up to the IBM reputation, and also don't seem tog et the same service treatment. Jim Biggerstaff wrote: > > > THat's why true ThinkPad folks don't buy machines made by Acer! > > > Ah, nothing like the word "true" to perk me right up. > > I've had a 360C, a 755C and 755CX, a 701C, and a 560. I remain delighted > with my i1480. > > Please share with us, Markowitz, in some detail: > > a. What is a "true" Thinkpad folk? > > and > > b. Who determines fitness for this lofty status? > > Eagerly awaiting the determination of my worthiness or lack therof. > > jim From cph Tue Jul 4 18:48:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA09623 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:48:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12555; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:47:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:44:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12251; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12238; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:43:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:43:59 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jaxtnt1-34.fdn.com [216.199.4.48]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA13551; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 18:42:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39629222.657C@southeast.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 18:40:50 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Check sum errors References: <000601bfe5e4$b7ec8ae0$440c4a0c@701c> <39623A19.191C@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If they are made by Acer, They MUST be up to IBM standards, or Ibm would not have a contract letting Acer make them. Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Tue Jul 4 22:04:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA10395 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:04:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17366; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 22:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:59:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17121; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17107; Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com (24.93.67.51 -> fe4.southeast.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:59:49 -0400 Received: from attglobal.net ([24.163.117.238]) by mail4.mgfairfax.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Tue, 4 Jul 2000 21:59:47 -0400 Message-ID: <396295FF.9DC089BF@attglobal.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 21:57:19 -0400 From: David Lee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: Jim Biggerstaff , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Check sum errors References: <000601bfe5e4$b7ec8ae0$440c4a0c@701c> <39623A19.191C@worldnet.att.net> <000501bfe5f2$07870a00$6401a8c0@tp466> <39625857.7AFD@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I'm one of them. Bruce Markowitz wrote: > Some of us stay away from the "one year warranty" machines, like the 1 > series made by Acer. They just don't seem to live up to the IBM > reputation, and also don't seem tog et the same service treatment. > > Jim Biggerstaff wrote: > > > > > THat's why true ThinkPad folks don't buy machines made by Acer! > > > > > Ah, nothing like the word "true" to perk me right up. > > > > I've had a 360C, a 755C and 755CX, a 701C, and a 560. I remain delighted > > with my i1480. > > > > Please share with us, Markowitz, in some detail: > > > > a. What is a "true" Thinkpad folk? > > > > and > > > > b. Who determines fitness for this lofty status? > > > > Eagerly awaiting the determination of my worthiness or lack therof. > > > > jim From cph Wed Jul 5 02:15:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA11111 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 02:15:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA26006; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 02:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 02:04:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25839; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 02:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25826; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 02:04:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 02:04:23 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc2a44.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.173]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA06544 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 02:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007050604.CAA06544@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) sover.net from arc2a44.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.173] 209.198.116.173 Wed, 5 Jul 2000 02:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2000 22:52:51 -0400 To: In-Reply-To: <001b01bfe5f5$64569f90$0bab62d1@deuce> Subject: Re: Windows suspend 95/98 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 (Unregistered) List-Unsubscribe: Chris Schumann" said: >> Perhaps I should have been clear on the subject. >> I can recover from hibernate in 5 seconds, in Win3.1.1. >> Windows 95, takes much longer, windows 98, you just >> as well re-boot the machine. >My ThinkPad 600X manual states that Win98 takes much longer to resume from >suspend and it's a function of the OS, not the machine. I suspect it has more >robust recovery for things like networks and such. >Hibernate should function the same as suspend, except for saving and >restoring the hibernation file. That file, by the way, is sized according to >your RAM only. The operating system has no bearing on that, nor does the OS >even know about hibernation. >> The new beta windows, that might never see the market, is so big that >a 701 >> cannot create a HIB file large enough. >Huh? Again, the HIB file should be sized according to how much RAM you have. >Keep in mind that thinkpad's like FAT filesystems for the hibernation file, >and older thinkpad's must have a FAT16 partition. This must be a limitation of WinX. OS2 can hibernate to HPFS. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Jul 5 10:38:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA13055 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:38:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22265; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:33:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21915; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21900; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:33:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 10:33:16 -0400 Received: from davidreidmob (tnt10-216-180-65-117.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.117]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with SMTP id e65EXE010235 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:33:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <002101bfe68d$f3c95b20$7541b4d8@davidreidmob> From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: MI Hybernation ques. general Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 09:33:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Each time I boot up, I have a message displayed for a few seconds that states: "Hybernation file is already present". Does this indicate a configuration problem or something? Thanks, dave From cph Wed Jul 5 16:33:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA15637 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:33:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22538; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:29:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22087; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:29:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22074; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:29:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 16:29:11 -0400 Received: from default ([12.72.67.31]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000705202909.ZOC2120.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@default> for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 20:29:09 +0000 Message-ID: <39639AD6.7BF6@att.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 13:30:14 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Smart Media adapter for TP? References: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D2943A09E@HARSTONMAIL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well I picked up a Microtech PC Card adapter but it wont work on my 600X... it installs but the adapter doesnt show on my desktop... they told me I needed to contact IBM to find out how to get my 600x to read ATA type flash cards... any ideas on how to do this? From cph Wed Jul 5 17:35:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA16142 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:35:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28361; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:31:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27960; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27943; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:31:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (150.203.2.15 -> leonard.anu.edu.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:31:43 -0400 Received: (from e720084@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15996; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:31:38 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 07:31:37 +1000 (EST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: T20 & A20 cams - questions In-Reply-To: <39639AD6.7BF6@att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: i have not used a videocam before, so some questions: 1. what software runs the ibm T20 and A20 cams? 2. if more than one, any suggestions as to which works best with tps? 3. are there any compatibility issues vis-a-vis the cam/software at the other end, assuming both are pc's? 4. i assume over a modem line at best you get a choppy series of stills. correct? any enlightenment much appreciated. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From cph Wed Jul 5 17:35:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA16147 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:35:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28441; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:32:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28050; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28028; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 17:32:55 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.217.156]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000705213254.BZDU2120.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:32:54 +0000 Message-ID: <3963A90A.5DDE4A50@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 17:30:51 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ajwells@att.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Smart Media adapter for TP? References: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D2943A09E@HARSTONMAIL> <39639AD6.7BF6@att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: ajwells@att.net wrote: > > Well I picked up a Microtech PC Card adapter but it wont work on my > 600X... it installs but the adapter doesnt show on my desktop... they > told me I needed to contact IBM to find out how to get my 600x to read > ATA type flash cards... any ideas on how to do this? Check "My Computer" should be listed there.Or check windows explorer. Installation should be automatic.If you are running W2k, put the card in and then power up. Birger From cph Wed Jul 5 18:12:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA16587 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:12:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01491; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:09:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01167; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from havenap.arl.army.mil (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01141; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:09:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from havenap.arl.army.mil (131.218.32.239 -> havenap.arl.army.mil) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:09:17 -0400 Subject: RE: Hibernation question To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, dwreid@hiwaay.net X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: "Robert Rosen" Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 18:08:33 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on havenap/arl(Release 5.0.3 |March 21, 2000) at 07/05/2000 06:09:16 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: The default autoexec.bat file that comes on the Thinkpad creates a hibernation file. If it is already there, you get that message. Doesn't hurt anything...and if you accidentally wipe out your hibernation file, it will get recreated next time you reboot. From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: MI Hybernation ques. general Each time I boot up, I have a message displayed for a few seconds that states: "Hybernation file is already present". Does this indicate a configuration problem or something? Thanks, dave ________________________ Robert Rosen Army Research Lab From cph Wed Jul 5 19:12:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA17074 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:12:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06080; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:08:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05746; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05732; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:08:32 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.189] (helo=139-142-112-189.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 139yHO-0007RQ-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 16:08:30 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Smart Media adapter for TP? Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 15:08:22 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D2943A09E@HARSTONMAIL> <39639AD6.7BF6@att.net> <3963A90A.5DDE4A50@worldnet.att.net> Lines: 38 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Perhaps lastdrive=Z in config.sys ? The first time I tried it in a 701 under Win95a, nothing seemed to happen (except a miniscreen saying "Windows is installing drivers..." that lasted maybe 2 seconds), so I rebooted. Maybe it was already there and I didn't notice it. Anyway, it has recognized instantly every time since. I use a Kodak Picture Card Adapter, but it shouldn't make any difference. It doesn't have any more "smarts" than an extension cable. In article <3963A90A.5DDE4A50@worldnet.att.net>, Birger Petterson wrote: > > >ajwells@att.net wrote: >> >> Well I picked up a Microtech PC Card adapter but it wont work on my >> 600X... it installs but the adapter doesnt show on my desktop... they >> told me I needed to contact IBM to find out how to get my 600x to read >> ATA type flash cards... any ideas on how to do this? > >Check "My Computer" should be listed there.Or check windows explorer. >Installation should be automatic.If you are running W2k, put the card in >and then power up. > >Birger > > -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Wed Jul 5 21:51:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA17840 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:51:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15604; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:51:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:47:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15183; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15170; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:47:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 21:47:07 -0400 Received: from default ([12.72.0.244]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000706014706.FIFC2120.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@default>; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 01:47:06 +0000 Message-ID: <3963E559.7853@att.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 18:48:09 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Berry CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Smart Media adapter for TP?/No Config.Sys? References: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D2943A09E@HARSTONMAIL> <39639AD6.7BF6@att.net> <3963A90A.5DDE4A50@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jonathan Berry wrote: > > Perhaps > lastdrive=Z > in config.sys ? > > The first time I tried it in a 701 under Win95a, nothing seemed > to happen (except a miniscreen saying "Windows is installing > drivers..." that lasted maybe 2 seconds), so I rebooted. Maybe > it was already there and I didn't notice it. Anyway, it has > recognized instantly every time since. > > I use a Kodak Picture Card Adapter, but it shouldn't make any > difference. It doesn't have any more "smarts" than an > extension cable. Here is a good question for all of you... why do I have NO config.sys file on my 600x? I have an MSDOS.SYS file, but no config.sys file... and I go back to the original installation snapshot and there is nothing in that file either... a puzzlement From cph Wed Jul 5 22:22:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA17961 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:22:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17352; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:19:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17057; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17038; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.120 -> pilot020.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:19:08 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port14.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.15]) by pilot020.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA37822; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:18:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000705220951.0244da50@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:19:16 -0400 To: "rudolph wratten" , From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Check sum errors In-Reply-To: <000601bfe5e4$b7ec8ae0$440c4a0c@701c> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: It's certainly true that the i Series units have their share of problems, but you state some things in a misleading way. Unless there has been a change in the last two weeks, there have been zero (ie, none) incidents of the AC adaptors causing a fire--the company that made them had some OTHER units short out, but no ThinkPads ever have. The disks are the standard units which IBM makes, and all disks have things like infant mortality problems, or noises. My 4G disk in my 1451 makes a noise when spinning, which got worse over time. I got it replaced by IBM, but unforunately the noise is returning. I believe the IBM 14 and 25G disks make this noise, too. My IBM 6G disk in my 1480i doesn't however. I have heard some rumors that IBM has addressed the noise/clunking problems in their 30/32G disks. We'll see if they get ironed out. At any rate, these are IBM disks, not "i Series disks" so while you are right about their characteristics, they aren't specifically about i Series. The USB problem is easily fixed by a software patch, which is downloadable. Aggravating to endure, but the patch works. So I'd ask you to think about the way you say things. Yes, there ARE some problems with the i Series ThinkPads. But speaking as one who now maintains 14 laptops from 6 different manufacturers, I can say that the i Series do *very* well against the others in terms of reliability and service record. I am beholden to no interest--if IBM and Dell didn't do things right I wouldn't use them. STeve Andre' At 01:21 PM 7/4/00 -0500, rudolph wratten wrote: >Hello. > >I looked up the i series, service history is the pits. >Perhaps IBM has a string of bad parts, or the design is pushing the >envelope. >Whatever the case, problems abound, including screens that cloud, hard >drives that go clunk/grind in the night, USB that can hum a tune, and lets >not forget the 'power plug roasting on a burning wall', . >All in all, really great "Thinkpads". >And remember, EZ Serve knows about the problems, everybody did get the >extended warranty?. From cph Wed Jul 5 22:42:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA18071 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:42:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18580; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:39:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18320; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web115.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18283; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web115.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.88 -> web115.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:39:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 15402 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2000 02:39:07 -0000 Message-ID: <20000706023907.15401.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web115.yahoomail.com; Wed, 05 Jul 2000 19:39:07 PDT Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 19:39:07 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Smart Media adapter for TP?/No Config.Sys? To: ajwells@att.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Because you don't need one for Windows? Because you are not using DOS? Because you never made one since it's not needed? --- ajwells@att.net wrote: > Here is a good question for all of you... why do I > have NO config.sys > file on my 600x? I have an MSDOS.SYS file, but no > config.sys file... > and I go back to the original installation snapshot > and there is nothing > in that file either... a puzzlement __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Wed Jul 5 22:56:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA18163 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:56:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19849; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:52:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19425; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19411; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:52:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:52:45 -0400 Received: from tp466 (adsl-207-68-50-6.bellatlantic.net [207.68.50.6]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA03344; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01bfe6f5$3cd60c20$6401a8c0@tp466> Reply-To: "Jim Biggerstaff" From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: Cc: References: <000601bfe5e4$b7ec8ae0$440c4a0c@701c> <39623A19.191C@worldnet.att.net> <000501bfe5f2$07870a00$6401a8c0@tp466> <39625857.7AFD@worldnet.att.net> Subject: "True Thinkpad Folks" (was Re: Check sum errors) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:52:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: That may be so, but I remain unilluminated as to how this makes "some of us" "True Thinkpad Folks". IBM has always produced several price/performance ranges in the lineup. As I recall both my 360C and my 560 were "one year warranty machines" - did the purchase of these machines, which gave great satisfaction, place me and others in the category of "Non-True Thinkpad Folk"? This may require clarification on a priority basis. I understand there are two new lines of modestly priced Thinkpads on the way, the 1200 and 1300 series, and "some of us" will need to determine the "True Thinkpad Folkness" of the owners in order to avoid further confusion. jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "Jim Biggerstaff" Cc: "rudolph wratten" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Check sum errors > Some of us stay away from the "one year warranty" machines, like the 1 > series made by Acer. They just don't seem to live up to the IBM > reputation, and also don't seem tog et the same service treatment. > > Jim Biggerstaff wrote: > > > > > THat's why true ThinkPad folks don't buy machines made by Acer! > > > > > Ah, nothing like the word "true" to perk me right up. > > > > I've had a 360C, a 755C and 755CX, a 701C, and a 560. I remain delighted > > with my i1480. > > > > Please share with us, Markowitz, in some detail: > > > > a. What is a "true" Thinkpad folk? > > > > and > > > > b. Who determines fitness for this lofty status? > > > > Eagerly awaiting the determination of my worthiness or lack therof. > > > > jim > From cph Wed Jul 5 22:57:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA18170 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:57:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20096; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:54:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19552; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:54:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19539; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.117 -> pilot017.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:54:12 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port14.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.15]) by pilot017.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA28926 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 22:54:07 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000705224443.023b4860@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 22:54:26 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Check sum errors In-Reply-To: <39625857.7AFD@worldnet.att.net> References: <000601bfe5e4$b7ec8ae0$440c4a0c@701c> <39623A19.191C@worldnet.att.net> <000501bfe5f2$07870a00$6401a8c0@tp466> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I can't agree that they don't get the same service treatment that the other units do. I've had several in for service now, and they've been repaired at the same speed that the 770s and 600s have been. When I first got my 1451 I wondered if it would be a second class citizen at EZ Serve, but that has not been the case for me. There are however variations in service in EZ Serve itself, I know, but that seems to be related to the indictent at hand, or the service technician, not the product being serviced. Yes, I'd like to have had a three year warranty too, so I got one from GE when I bought my unit. Some day I might need to use it. For the record I have a 1451 and 1480, both being used almost around the clock, and both have been very reliable. The 1451 needed a new screen which was changed out; the 1480 had a loose screw which made for a couple of trips to the factory, but both were fixed rather quickly. I too remain delighted with my 1480, happily running OpenBSD with amazing speed. My 1451 is much slower, but I knew that when I got it, owing to budget constraints. It's still a fantastic screen however, and works quite well for writing, email and web stuff. I have developed the two laptop lifestyle and am happy... Lastly, a ThinkPad is what IBM says is one. I'm very impressed with the service they've given mine, and the ones I ride herd on. STeve Andre' At 05:34 PM 7/4/00 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >Some of us stay away from the "one year warranty" machines, like the 1 >series made by Acer. They just don't seem to live up to the IBM >reputation, and also don't seem tog et the same service treatment. > >Jim Biggerstaff wrote: > > > > > THat's why true ThinkPad folks don't buy machines made by Acer! > > > > > Ah, nothing like the word "true" to perk me right up. > > > > I've had a 360C, a 755C and 755CX, a 701C, and a 560. I remain delighted > > with my i1480. > > > > Please share with us, Markowitz, in some detail: > > > > a. What is a "true" Thinkpad folk? > > > > and > > > > b. Who determines fitness for this lofty status? > > > > Eagerly awaiting the determination of my worthiness or lack therof. > > > > jim From cph Wed Jul 5 23:09:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA18220 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:09:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21231; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:09:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:06:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20745; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:06:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20732; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:06:20 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.0.118]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000706030617.TSLE6885.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 03:06:17 +0000 Message-ID: <3963F7FE.46EE@worldnet.att.net> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 23:07:42 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Biggerstaff CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: "True Thinkpad Folks" (was Re: Check sum errors) References: <000601bfe5e4$b7ec8ae0$440c4a0c@701c> <39623A19.191C@worldnet.att.net> <000501bfe5f2$07870a00$6401a8c0@tp466> <39625857.7AFD@worldnet.att.net> <000d01bfe6f5$3cd60c20$6401a8c0@tp466> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I think we have probably seen enough of this crap. Fact is, the 75X/76X/770 lines are the flagships,the others are consumer models. Most of the affectionados on this list seem to be 76X/770/600 people, who buy the top of the line units, and seem to have very good luck with them. So I trashed your i series, nothing new, folks have been trashing them here and on the newsgroups since they came out. Jim Biggerstaff wrote: > > That may be so, but I remain unilluminated as to how this makes "some of us" > "True Thinkpad Folks". IBM has always produced several price/performance > ranges in the lineup. As I recall both my 360C and my 560 were "one year > warranty machines" - did the purchase of these machines, which gave great > satisfaction, place me and others in the category of "Non-True Thinkpad > Folk"? > > This may require clarification on a priority basis. I understand there are > two new lines of modestly priced Thinkpads on the way, the 1200 and 1300 > series, and "some of us" will need to determine the "True Thinkpad Folkness" > of the owners in order to avoid further confusion. > > jim > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bruce Markowitz" > To: "Jim Biggerstaff" > Cc: "rudolph wratten" ; > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: Check sum errors > > > Some of us stay away from the "one year warranty" machines, like the 1 > > series made by Acer. They just don't seem to live up to the IBM > > reputation, and also don't seem tog et the same service treatment. > > > > Jim Biggerstaff wrote: > > > > > > > THat's why true ThinkPad folks don't buy machines made by Acer! > > > > > > > Ah, nothing like the word "true" to perk me right up. > > > > > > I've had a 360C, a 755C and 755CX, a 701C, and a 560. I remain > delighted > > > with my i1480. > > > > > > Please share with us, Markowitz, in some detail: > > > > > > a. What is a "true" Thinkpad folk? > > > > > > and > > > > > > b. Who determines fitness for this lofty status? > > > > > > Eagerly awaiting the determination of my worthiness or lack therof. > > > > > > jim > > From cph Wed Jul 5 23:09:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA18224 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:09:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21345; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:06:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20852; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:06:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20838; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.101 -> pilot001.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:06:49 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port14.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.15]) by pilot001.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA24682 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:06:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000705230157.023b4440@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 23:07:00 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: "True Thinkpad Folks" (was Re: Check sum errors) In-Reply-To: <000d01bfe6f5$3cd60c20$6401a8c0@tp466> References: <000601bfe5e4$b7ec8ae0$440c4a0c@701c> <39623A19.191C@worldnet.att.net> <000501bfe5f2$07870a00$6401a8c0@tp466> <39625857.7AFD@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: We are all "true ThinkPad folks" if we have one. You are quite correct that there have been variously priced units in the past, just as now. That will be true in the future, as well. I grow tired of what is essentially "digital bigotry". We have more intelligent things to talk about. --STeve Andre' At 10:52 PM 7/5/00 -0400, Jim Biggerstaff wrote: >That may be so, but I remain unilluminated as to how this makes "some of us" >"True Thinkpad Folks". IBM has always produced several price/performance >ranges in the lineup. As I recall both my 360C and my 560 were "one year >warranty machines" - did the purchase of these machines, which gave great >satisfaction, place me and others in the category of "Non-True Thinkpad >Folk"? > >This may require clarification on a priority basis. I understand there are >two new lines of modestly priced Thinkpads on the way, the 1200 and 1300 >series, and "some of us" will need to determine the "True Thinkpad Folkness" >of the owners in order to avoid further confusion. > >jim From cph Thu Jul 6 00:09:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA18551 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:09:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24472; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:05:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24132; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:05:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24119; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:05:28 -0400 Received: from davidreid (tnt10-216-180-65-234.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.234]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with SMTP id e6645RZ22455; Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:05:27 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005101bfe6ff$4ed082c0$ea41b4d8@davidreid> From: "David Reid" To: , "STeve Andre'" References: <000601bfe5e4$b7ec8ae0$440c4a0c@701c><39623A19.191C@worldnet.att.net><000501bfe5f2$07870a00$6401a8c0@tp466><39625857.7AFD@worldnet.att.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000705230157.023b4440@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: "True Thinkpad Folks" (was Re: Check sum errors) Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 23:04:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: From: "STeve Andre'" > I grow tired of what is essentially "digital bigotry". > > We have more intelligent things to talk about. > At the expence of wasting the additional space and time . . . Amen, "Folks" such as myself, subscribed (enphasis on ed) to this List probably cause they were in pusuit of the next level up (from USnet) in technical correspondence, had reviewed some of the archives of this "L", and found that not only did quality information reside here, but a certain amount of dignity as well. Which model to I own? The black one with the pencil eraser in the keyboard, says Thinkpad on it somewhere . . . ts'good enough, let's get back to helpin' one'another. Dave From cph Thu Jul 6 00:40:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA18776 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:40:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25729; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:36:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25500; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:36:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25487; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:36:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (216.70.64.24 -> mrs-1-fix.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:36:10 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (1Cust118.tnt10.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.22.216.118]) by mrs-1.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA44974 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39640CE3.20CBAC58@mail.orion.org> Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2000 23:36:51 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 4-pin connectors Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know where I can get some 4-pin connectors that fit the Thinkpad 755/760 series power supply input? Shawn From cph Thu Jul 6 00:57:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA18874 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:57:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26508; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:54:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26363; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26349; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:54:50 -0400 Received: from tp466 (adsl-207-68-50-6.bellatlantic.net [207.68.50.6]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA29928; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000201bfe706$39b44a00$6401a8c0@tp466> Reply-To: "Jim Biggerstaff" From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: "Jim Biggerstaff" Cc: References: <000601bfe5e4$b7ec8ae0$440c4a0c@701c> <39623A19.191C@worldnet.att.net> <000501bfe5f2$07870a00$6401a8c0@tp466> <39625857.7AFD@worldnet.att.net> <000d01bfe6f5$3cd60c20$6401a8c0@tp466> <3963F7FE.46EE@worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: "True Thinkpad Folks" (was Re: Check sum errors) Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 00:51:59 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bruce Markowitz" To: "Jim Biggerstaff" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 11:07 PM Subject: Re: "True Thinkpad Folks" (was Re: Check sum errors) > I think we have probably seen enough of this crap. The quest for illumination is an iterative process, often augmented by civility. > Fact is, the 75X/76X/770 lines are the flagships,the others are consumer > models. Most of the affectionados on this list seem to be 76X/770/600 > people, who buy the top of the line units, and seem to have very good > luck with them. Ah, I am enlightened. Except for the "seem to" part. "Fact" also appears problematical in this context. But we do seem to be zeroing in on the essense of "True Thinkpad Folkness". If this elevated state results from posession of a current top of the line model, does this imply a transition upon the release of new models? In other words, does the availability of the A series effectuate a fall from grace? If so I can understand a bit of twitchiness! Morphing into a mere "consumer" is quite a let-down. > So I trashed your i series, nothing new, folks have been trashing them > here and on the newsgroups since they came out. Oddly, favorable newsgroup traffic prompted the purchase of mine. Same method used to decide on a 701C and 560 in earlier times. I was blissfully unaware that I would be a "Non-True Thinkpadder" and a consumer as well! I am grateful for the time you have taken. jim > > Jim Biggerstaff wrote: > > > > That may be so, but I remain unilluminated as to how this makes "some of us" > > "True Thinkpad Folks". IBM has always produced several price/performance > > ranges in the lineup. As I recall both my 360C and my 560 were "one year > > warranty machines" - did the purchase of these machines, which gave great > > satisfaction, place me and others in the category of "Non-True Thinkpad > > Folk"? > > > > This may require clarification on a priority basis. I understand there are > > two new lines of modestly priced Thinkpads on the way, the 1200 and 1300 > > series, and "some of us" will need to determine the "True Thinkpad Folkness" > > of the owners in order to avoid further confusion. > > > > jim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bruce Markowitz" > > To: "Jim Biggerstaff" > > Cc: "rudolph wratten" ; > > Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 5:34 PM > > Subject: Re: Check sum errors > > > > > Some of us stay away from the "one year warranty" machines, like the 1 > > > series made by Acer. They just don't seem to live up to the IBM > > > reputation, and also don't seem tog et the same service treatment. > > > > > > Jim Biggerstaff wrote: > > > > > > > > > THat's why true ThinkPad folks don't buy machines made by Acer! > > > > > > > > > Ah, nothing like the word "true" to perk me right up. > > > > > > > > I've had a 360C, a 755C and 755CX, a 701C, and a 560. I remain > > delighted > > > > with my i1480. > > > > > > > > Please share with us, Markowitz, in some detail: > > > > > > > > a. What is a "true" Thinkpad folk? > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > b. Who determines fitness for this lofty status? > > > > > > > > Eagerly awaiting the determination of my worthiness or lack therof. > > > > > > > > jim > > > From cph Thu Jul 6 02:22:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA19082 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:22:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29628; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:22:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:17:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29349; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29336; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (216.70.64.24 -> mrs-1-fix.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:17:28 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (1Cust213.tnt10.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.22.216.213]) by mrs-1.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA55022 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396424C7.BB189FCD@mail.orion.org> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 01:18:47 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760-series parts interchange? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I am thinking about getting a whole bunch of Thinkpad 760-series parts and making one good machine. Can anyone answer the following questions? Will a 760C display (including casing) fit on a 760ED or 760XL? Will a 760L keyboard fit a 760ED or 760XL? Can I fit 760XL innards in a 760L or 760ED bottom casing? If I can get 760XL innards in a 760ED bottom casing, can I replace the ESS soundboard with the 760ED Mwave DSP soundcard & modem? Shawn From cph Thu Jul 6 04:55:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA19509 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 04:55:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06767; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 04:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 04:52:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06518; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 04:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06505; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 04:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 04:52:14 -0400 Received: from uniblab (uniblab [146.88.9.146]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA18204 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:52:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <015901bfe727$73436280$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: References: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D2943A09E@HARSTONMAIL> <39639AD6.7BF6@att.net> Subject: Re: Smart Media adapter for TP? Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 02:52:00 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I had to disable "Warm swap devices" in the TP Configuration utility to get compact flash cards to show up. The machine would whirr for a while when I inserted them in the PCMCIA slot, but the disk drive icon would never show up in My Computer. Bob 600X ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 14:30 Subject: Re: Smart Media adapter for TP? > Well I picked up a Microtech PC Card adapter but it wont work on my > 600X... it installs but the adapter doesnt show on my desktop... they > told me I needed to contact IBM to find out how to get my 600x to read > ATA type flash cards... any ideas on how to do this? > From cph Thu Jul 6 05:42:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA19576 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 05:42:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11309; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 05:42:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 05:39:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11105; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 05:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11092; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 05:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 05:39:05 -0400 Received: from uniblab (uniblab [146.88.9.146]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA19148 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 03:39:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <017701bfe72e$047ee480$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: References: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D2943A09E@HARSTONMAIL> <39639AD6.7BF6@att.net> <015901bfe727$73436280$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> Subject: Re: Smart Media adapter for TP? Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 03:39:00 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Sorry...that's "Warm swap devices" in the Device Bay section of the configuration utility. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Greschke" To: Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 02:52 Subject: Re: Smart Media adapter for TP? > I had to disable "Warm swap devices" in the TP Configuration > utility to get compact flash cards to show up. The machine > would whirr for a while when I inserted them in the PCMCIA > slot, but the disk drive icon would never show up in My > Computer. > > Bob > 600X > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 14:30 > Subject: Re: Smart Media adapter for TP? > > > > Well I picked up a Microtech PC Card adapter but it wont > work on my > > 600X... it installs but the adapter doesnt show on my > desktop... they > > told me I needed to contact IBM to find out how to get my > 600x to read > > ATA type flash cards... any ideas on how to do this? From cph Thu Jul 6 10:14:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA20728 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:14:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26181; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:13:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:09:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25558; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:09:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25540; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:09:30 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jaxtnt1-140.fdn.com [216.199.4.154]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA21411; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:08:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3964BC87.4BD5@southeast.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:06:15 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: rudolph wratten , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Check sum errors References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000705220951.0244da50@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I agree. IBM Uses the same hard disk drives in all of its units, and not just the i-series. Anyone, reguardless of what type or brand of laptop they own, could get a Bad HDD. These days, it is a fact of life that computer parts do go bad. The USB patch does NOT *always* work. In order for my USB problem to be fixed, I had to send it in to the factory for a system board repair. They treated me as if I owned a $6,000.00 unit. They had it back to me within less than a week. If that is not great service, I do not know what is. Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Thu Jul 6 10:42:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA20986 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:42:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28714; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:42:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:40:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28477; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28464; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:40:34 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jaxtnt1-140.fdn.com [216.199.4.154]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA22797; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 10:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3964C3CE.7ABB@southeast.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:37:18 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jim Biggerstaff CC: scosgt@worldnet.att.net, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: "True Thinkpad Folks" (was Re: Check sum errors) References: <000601bfe5e4$b7ec8ae0$440c4a0c@701c> <39623A19.191C@worldnet.att.net> <000501bfe5f2$07870a00$6401a8c0@tp466> <39625857.7AFD@worldnet.att.net> <000d01bfe6f5$3cd60c20$6401a8c0@tp466> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I consider myself just as much a "Thinkpad Folk", as anyone else on this list.. I own two Thinkpads, a 755c, and an 1420i. I will admit, I have had problems with both of them, but that is NORMAL with any computer. {Sure, my 1420i has some problems that need to be fixed by the factory, but that is normal.) Second, IBM has treated me great every time that I have called them, and so far service has been verty fast and efective. The last time I sent my Thinkpad in, I had it back in working condition in less than a week. If that is not great service, I do not know what is. If IBM says it is a thinkpad, it is a thinkpad. Jim -- -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ===================== From cph Thu Jul 6 11:54:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA21529 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:54:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04940; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:52:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04718; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04700; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (199.224.64.56 -> lima.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:52:16 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp50.epix.net [199.224.125.50]) by lima.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000052301/PL) with SMTP id e66Fq6323077 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007061552.e66Fq6323077@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 11:48:17 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: OS2 device driver page went 404 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zf/19zf List-Unsubscribe: From: http://www3.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/index.htm selecting thinkpad USA gives a 404 on this page: The requested URL /os2ddpak/html/systems/ibmcorps/index.htm was not found on this server. Where has this gone? Looking for A20 OS2 drivers. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- Double your drive space! Delete Windows! From cph Thu Jul 6 12:06:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA21667 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:06:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06153; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:05:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05933; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05918; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (207.181.194.97 -> oberon.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:05:25 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by oberon.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA75799; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA69082; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00ca01bfe764$164bde80$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Julian Thomas" , References: <200007061552.e66Fq6323077@lima.epix.net> Subject: Re: OS2 device driver page went 404 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 09:06:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: That is just the IBM way of saying "unsupported." There is a document on the support site that you should read. The start of the document reads: TP A20 - Device Driver File Matrix Applicable Countries Worldwide Service Hints & Tips For information on how to be notified automatically when a new driver for your machine is released, click here . Table legend is located at the bottom of this page. NOTE: Microsoft Windows 3.1, Windows NT 3.51, and IBM OS/2 are NOT supported on the A20 Series therefore there are NO device drivers available for these operating systems. Here is the URL to it:http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4JSQHA.html?lang=en_US&page=brand&br and=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+A20&family=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+A20&doctype=H ints+and+tips&subtype=All David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Thomas" To: Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 8:48 AM Subject: OS2 device driver page went 404 > From: http://www3.software.ibm.com/os2ddpak/html/index.htm > > selecting thinkpad USA gives a 404 on this page: > > > The requested URL /os2ddpak/html/systems/ibmcorps/index.htm was not found > on this server. > > Where has this gone? Looking for A20 OS2 drivers. > > -- > Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt > In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! > Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc > http://www.possi.org > -- -- > Double your drive space! Delete Windows! > > > From cph Thu Jul 6 13:15:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA22160 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:15:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12140; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:11:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11879; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11865; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:11:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:11:14 -0400 Received: from default ([12.72.102.49]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000706171113.MACY2120.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@default>; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 17:11:13 +0000 Message-ID: <3964BDF1.3F93@att.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 10:12:17 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bob Greschke CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Smart Media adapter for TP? References: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D2943A09E@HARSTONMAIL> <39639AD6.7BF6@att.net> <015901bfe727$73436280$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> <017701bfe72e$047ee480$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: BINGO!!! Thanks so much... of course I would rather be able to swap devices now and then, but its nice to have this working Andrew Bob Greschke wrote: > > Sorry...that's "Warm swap devices" in the Device Bay section > of the configuration utility. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bob Greschke" > To: > Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 02:52 > Subject: Re: Smart Media adapter for TP? > > > I had to disable "Warm swap devices" in the TP > Configuration > > utility to get compact flash cards to show up. The > machine > > would whirr for a while when I inserted them in the PCMCIA > > slot, but the disk drive icon would never show up in My > > Computer. > > > > Bob > > 600X > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2000 14:30 > > Subject: Re: Smart Media adapter for TP? > > > > > > > Well I picked up a Microtech PC Card adapter but it wont > > work on my > > > 600X... it installs but the adapter doesnt show on my > > desktop... they > > > told me I needed to contact IBM to find out how to get > my > > 600x to read > > > ATA type flash cards... any ideas on how to do this? From cph Thu Jul 6 13:29:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA22292 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:29:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13822; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:27:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13662; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.fwi.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13646; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.fwi.com (209.84.160.144 -> mail.fwi.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 13:27:41 -0400 Received: from pjaneenm (fw-line-40.fwi.com [209.84.172.45]) by mail.fwi.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA04717 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:33:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003501bfe76f$5d1f9440$2dac54d1@pjaneenm> From: "Janeen" To: References: Subject: Smart Media adaptor Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:26:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: For starters I have Win98 on my 380D, so if you have Win95, disregard.... The main reason I wanted Win98 was because you don't have to mess with card programs etc... just stick the adaptor in the slot the first time, Windows searches, blah, blah and works great after that.... You do have to go to control panel the first time you want to use a card (don't ask me) This worked just this way on the 380D, and my daughter's new Compaq laptop - same same Janeen http://www2.fwi.com/~janeenm/index.html From cph Thu Jul 6 14:31:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA22790 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:31:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19490; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:28:40 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19170; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:28:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:28:35 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id OAA09883 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web119.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02456; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web119.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.120 -> web119.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 11:24:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 5666 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2000 15:24:25 -0000 Message-ID: <20000706152425.5665.qmail@web119.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.225.142] by web119.yahoomail.com; Thu, 06 Jul 2000 08:24:25 PDT Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 08:24:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Thinkpad 4-pin connectors To: "Shawn R. Lin" Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: >From an old TP700 power supply that you find at swap- meets? --- "Shawn R. Lin" wrote: > Does anyone know where I can get some 4-pin > connectors that fit the > Thinkpad 755/760 series power supply input? > > Shawn __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Jul 6 14:45:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA22865 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:45:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20940; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:42:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20609; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20594; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 14:42:49 -0400 Received: from accumedia.com (houdini.accumedia.com [172.16.130.2]) by server.accumedia.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e66IUU930823 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:30:30 -0600 Thread-Topic: T20 vs A20 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 Thread-Index: Ab/nebTPiW+LSkXeR3+Uupzol7rWLw== content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: T20 vs A20 Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2000 12:40:50 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A0177D8@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA22866 Now that they have been out for a while, has anyone had an opportunity to work with both the A20 and the T20? I received a T20 recently, and there are a few things about it that are a bit frustrating (the keyboard isn't as crisp as the 600X, the base gets *much* hotter when I'm using it, the big screen is a waste when the resolution is only 1024x768, etc.). I am wondering if we should focus on the A20s instead of the T20s for our standard. I know they are a bit larger (.5") and a bit heavier (1-2 lbs). What have you found, if you've been near both? I loved the move from the 760 to the 600. I'm not so sure about the T20 over the A20..... ssh From cph Thu Jul 6 20:53:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA25506 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:53:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13990; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:53:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:50:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13776; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:50:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13763; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (199.224.64.57 -> bean.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:50:46 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp94.epix.net [199.224.125.94]) by bean.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000052301/PL) with SMTP id e670oiY03848 for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2000 20:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007070050.e670oiY03848@bean.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 20:50:32 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <00ca01bfe764$164bde80$0311a8c0@detayls.com> Subject: Re: OS2 and A20 (was device driver page went 404 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zf/19zf List-Unsubscribe: In <00ca01bfe764$164bde80$0311a8c0@detayls.com>, on 07/06/00 at 09:06 AM, "David W. Taylor" typed: >That is just the IBM way of saying "unsupported." There is a document on >the support site that you should read. OK, but Bill M seemed to indicate that there were drivers for A20 - I'm looking hard before I buy. I don't care if IBM officially doesn't support; I'm more interested in if everything works with warp 4 (fp12) and an A20. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- Ignorance killed the cat. Curiosity was framed. From cph Fri Jul 7 06:09:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA27904 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:09:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10816; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:05:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10565; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10549; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:05:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:05:40 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc5a224.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.225]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA28893; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007071005.GAA28893@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) sover.net from arc5a224.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.225] 209.198.80.225 Fri, 7 Jul 2000 06:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2000 22:44:31 -0400 To: "Julian Thomas" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200007070050.e670oiY03848@bean.epix.net> Subject: Re: OS2 and A20 (was device driver page went 404 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 (Unregistered) List-Unsubscribe: >>That is just the IBM way of saying "unsupported." There is a document on >>the support site that you should read. >OK, but Bill M seemed to indicate that there were drivers for A20 - I'm >looking hard before I buy. I don't care if IBM officially doesn't support; >I'm more interested in if everything works with warp 4 (fp12) and an A20. Check WWW.OS2SS.com laptop section. Someone may have listed the drivers that work for the A20. -- The same situation existed for the 570 a year ago, but I've heard of people running OS2 on it. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Jul 7 08:09:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA28387 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:09:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16323; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:09:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:07:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16155; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16142; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.177.150 -> hs-img-1.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:07:31 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id IAA09694 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 08:07:16 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: What are the memory options for 701 Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200007070807_MC2-AB6C-2AD9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA28388 Someone has asked for some help with more memory for a 701 - what are the memory options and anyone got any old modules for sale (I'm UK). Thanks All... Mark From cph Fri Jul 7 09:34:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA28729 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:34:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24299; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:34:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:32:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24088; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:32:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24075; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (199.224.64.56 -> lima.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:32:23 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp93.epix.net [199.224.125.93]) by lima.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000052301/PL) with SMTP id e67DWKw01620 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007071332.e67DWKw01620@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:31:33 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200007071005.GAA28893@garnet.sover.net> Subject: Re: OS2 and A20 (was device driver page went 404 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zf/19zf List-Unsubscribe: In <200007071005.GAA28893@garnet.sover.net>, on 07/06/00 at 10:44 PM, typed: >Check WWW.OS2SS.com laptop section. Hasn't been updated since April; nothing on the A or T series. >Someone may have listed the drivers that work for the A20. -- The same >situation existed for the 570 a year ago, but I've heard of people >running OS2 on it. Anyone out there with OS2 on an A20? -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- A truly wise man never plays leapfrog with a unicorn. From cph Fri Jul 7 09:35:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA28749 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:35:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24538; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:35:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:34:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24191; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24170; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (199.224.64.56 -> lima.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:34:04 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp93.epix.net [199.224.125.93]) by lima.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000052301/PL) with SMTP id e67DY0w01953 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:34:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007071334.e67DY0w01953@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 09:33:43 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <00ca01bfe764$164bde80$0311a8c0@detayls.com> Subject: Re: OS2 device driver page went 404 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zf/19zf List-Unsubscribe: In <00ca01bfe764$164bde80$0311a8c0@detayls.com>, on 07/06/00 at 09:06 AM, "David W. Taylor" typed: >That is just the IBM way of saying "unsupported." There is a document on >the support site that you should read. No, this is the page for all thinkpads and it's missing. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- "God made the integers, the rest is the work of man" Kronecker From cph Fri Jul 7 09:55:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA28886 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:55:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26983; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:55:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:53:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26802; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rrds.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26781; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rrds.co.uk (194.128.85.3 -> mail.rdel.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 09:53:35 -0400 Received: from rdel.co.uk (unverified) by mail.rrds.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 07 Jul 2000 14:53:23 +0100 Received: by rdel.co.uk id NAA06104 ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 13:53:10 GMT Received: by ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BFE823.1412D0A0@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk>; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:53:14 +0100 Message-Id: <01BFE823.1412D0A0@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk> From: Darren Kennedy To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Linux on 760CD Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 14:53:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Has anyone out there installed linux on a 760CD especially linux-mandrake (redhat). I have surfed around the various linux on thinkpads sites but would be interested on anyone's experience from here. thanks, Darren Kennedy. (UK). From cph Fri Jul 7 12:32:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA30038 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:32:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10163; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:30:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09947; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09934; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:30:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:30:48 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc2a10.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.139]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA00194; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007071630.MAA00194@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc2a10.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.139] 209.198.116.139 Fri, 7 Jul 2000 12:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 12:29:47 -0400 To: "Julian Thomas" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200007071334.e67DY0w01953@lima.epix.net> Subject: Re: OS2 device driver page went 404 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 (Unregistered) List-Unsubscribe: >No, this is the page for all thinkpads and it's missing. USE: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/ ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Jul 7 16:57:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA32151 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:57:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00535; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:57:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:54:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00366; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00337; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.net (216.254.0.5 -> gonzo.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:54:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 17447 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 20:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grace.speakeasy.org) (216.254.0.2) by gonzo.speakeasy.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2000 20:54:53 -0000 Received: (qmail 21509 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2000 20:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO WALD7) ([216.254.51.19]) (envelope-sender ) by grace.speakeasy.org (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Jul 2000 20:54:52 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Modem update Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 16:57:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFE834.7C9CFDB0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFE834.7C9CFDB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone else have trouble downloading the Lucent modem update for W2K at the IBM website? I get to 99% complete and the download crashes. Just curious. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFE834.7C9CFDB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Anyone else have trouble downloading the Lucent modem update for = W2K at the IBM website? I get to 99% complete and the download = crashes.

 

Just curious.

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01BFE834.7C9CFDB0-- From cph Fri Jul 7 17:18:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA32322 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:18:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02412; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:17:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02296; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02283; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (199.224.64.56 -> lima.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:17:11 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp111.epix.net [199.224.125.111]) by lima.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000052301/PL) with SMTP id e67LH4I07978 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007072117.e67LH4I07978@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 17:15:41 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: The Notebook/2 Site X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zf/19zf List-Unsubscribe: ------------------------------------------------------------------------- The following message is forwarded to you by "Julian Thomas" (listed as the From user of this message). The original sender (see the header, below) was os2user@os2ss.com. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Dr. Martin Senftleben" To: "OS/2 Help" , "mailing list" , "OS/2 mailing list" Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2000 20:11:55 +0100 (MEZ) Subject: The Notebook/2 Site Hi, I am trying to maintain the Notebook/2 site, but I had a lot of problems lately due to the fact that I cannot access my account at the OS/2 SuperSite. This happened basically with the takeover of this server by some other people. My attempts to get the problem solved with the help of Chris B. Wright weren't successful so far. I have therefore decided to upload the Notebook/2 site to a different place. There you'll find many new pages and info which I was unable to upload during the last weeks. So check it out here: http://www.drmartinus.de/notebook2/notebook. htm If you face any problems, please let me know, I'll take care of it. Cheers! Dr. Martinus ------------------------------------------------------------ Dr. Martin Senftleben, Ph.D. DrMartinus@gmx.net ----------------------------------------------------- -- End of forwarded message ----------------------------------------------------- Still doesn't have the A20 or T20 series, however.... -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- He who laughs last is at 300 baud. From cph Fri Jul 7 17:42:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA32539 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:42:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05829; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:40:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05462; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05449; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:40:43 -0400 Received: from matrix ([32.101.173.179]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000070721400025203300vge>; Fri, 7 Jul 2000 21:40:00 +0000 From: "David Lee" To: "William Armstrong" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Modem update Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2000 17:38:14 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFE83A.212233A0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFE83A.212233A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just downloaded and installed the latest update for my 600X. -----Original Message----- From: William Armstrong [mailto:warmstrong@waldinc.com] Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 4:58 PM To: ThinkPad List Subject: Modem update Anyone else have trouble downloading the Lucent modem update for W2K at the IBM website? I get to 99% complete and the download crashes. Just curious. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFE83A.212233A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just = downloaded and=20 installed the latest update for my 600X.
 
-----Original Message-----
From: William Armstrong=20 [mailto:warmstrong@waldinc.com]
Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 = 4:58=20 PM
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Subject: Modem=20 update

Anyone=20 else have trouble downloading the Lucent modem update for W2K at the = IBM=20 website? I get to 99% complete and the download=20 crashes.

 

Just=20 curious. =

------=_NextPart_000_0002_01BFE83A.212233A0-- From cph Sat Jul 8 00:21:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA02173 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:21:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26101; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:15:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25684; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:15:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25671; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:15:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:15:19 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-106.gate.net [207.36.212.106]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA155484; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 00:15:11 -0400 Message-ID: <3966AAE3.2CC83310@gate.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 00:15:31 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: What are the memory options for 701 References: <200007070807_MC2-AB6C-2AD9@compuserve.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark.. the 701 will officially support up to ONE 32meg upgrade.. EDO memory is increasing in price.. some have suggested that a similarly designed 64meg part will work.. Mark Gardiner wrote: > Someone has asked for some help with more memory for a 701 - what are the > memory options and anyone got any old modules for sale (I'm UK). > > Thanks All... > > Mark -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Jul 8 01:37:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA02390 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 01:37:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29280; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 01:35:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 01:33:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29167; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 01:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29154; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 01:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.122 -> pilot022.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 01:33:07 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.26]) by pilot022.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA15156 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 01:33:05 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000708012358.022b7d10@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 01:33:07 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: On disk whining noises Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: After about 11 months of nearly non-stop use, my 4G disk on my i1451 started making a whining noise. I know lots of people have talked about it, and I too had the experience of this delightful squeal... I got IBM to replace the disk because of this, but now after about 4 months of use, this new 4G disk has learned how to "speak" too. This one is a little different however, in that it doesn't always seem to make the noise, or perhaps it just fades a little. If it's like my last drive however, it will grow louder as time goes by. My 1480 on the other hand has a SILENT 6G disk. It too works nearly around the clock and has done do since last Christmas. It still has Charlie Chaplinistic characteristics, for which I am grateful. One of my users who has a smaller disk in his ThinkPad needs a bigger disk, and come to think of it, I do, too. A nice 18G disk sounds about right, since I can't find the 32G disks from IBM yet. I'm curious though, if I go to the 18G disk, am I going to be rewarded with "ThinkScreech"? To make this topic more useful, it would be good to hear the experiences of folks with various sized disks. I've heard rumors that the 14G disks made lots of noise after a while--true? So please share your thoughts on this. Perhaps we can ultimately make a "noise chart" for an interesting page on thinkpads.com! --STeve Andre' From cph Sat Jul 8 02:17:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA02496 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 02:17:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00853; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 02:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 02:14:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00723; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 02:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00710; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 02:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 02:14:15 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-106.gate.net [207.36.212.106]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA96822; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 02:14:12 -0400 Message-ID: <3966C6C3.F6034527@gate.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 02:14:27 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Shawn R. Lin" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760-series parts interchange? References: <396424C7.BB189FCD@mail.orion.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Shawn... "Shawn R. Lin" wrote: > I am thinking about getting a whole bunch of Thinkpad 760-series parts > and making one good machine. Can anyone answer the following questions? > > Will a 760C display (including casing) fit on a 760ED Maybe.. depends upon which 760ED.. > or 760XL? > no.. > Will a 760L keyboard fit a 760ED or 760XL? > yes.. > Can I fit 760XL innards in a 760L or 760ED bottom casing? > might be able to do so.. not sure.. check the hardware manuals on the IBM web site.. :-) > If I can get 760XL innards in a 760ED bottom casing, can I replace the > ESS soundboard with the 760ED Mwave DSP soundcard & modem? > > Shawn -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Jul 8 02:20:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA02513 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 02:20:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01246; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 02:18:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 02:17:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01122; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 02:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01109; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 02:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 02:17:05 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-106.gate.net [207.36.212.106]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA10024; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 02:17:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3966C772.BDC68979@gate.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 02:17:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: On disk whining noises References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000708012358.022b7d10@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: STeve... i think i discussed this in another e-mail to you.. toshiba drives seem to be much quieter than the IBM drives.. STeve Andre' wrote: > After about 11 months of nearly non-stop use, my 4G disk on my i1451 > started making a whining noise. I know lots of people have talked about > it, and I too had the experience of this delightful squeal... I got IBM to > replace the disk because of this, but now after about 4 months of use, > this new 4G disk has learned how to "speak" too. This one is a little > different however, in that it doesn't always seem to make the noise, or > perhaps it just fades a little. If it's like my last drive however, it > will grow > louder as time goes by. > > My 1480 on the other hand has a SILENT 6G disk. It too works nearly > around the clock and has done do since last Christmas. It still has Charlie > Chaplinistic characteristics, for which I am grateful. > > One of my users who has a smaller disk in his ThinkPad needs a bigger > disk, and come to think of it, I do, too. A nice 18G disk sounds about right, > since I can't find the 32G disks from IBM yet. > > I'm curious though, if I go to the 18G disk, am I going to be rewarded with > "ThinkScreech"? > > To make this topic more useful, it would be good to hear the experiences > of folks with various sized disks. I've heard rumors that the 14G disks made > lots of noise after a while--true? > > So please share your thoughts on this. Perhaps we can ultimately make a > "noise chart" for an interesting page on thinkpads.com! > > --STeve Andre' -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Jul 8 10:25:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA03682 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:25:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21190; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:22:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21006; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20993; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:22:10 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (IDENT:ilh@ursa-minor-home [18.27.16.2]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26412; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <39673909.E90897A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 10:22:01 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-pre10.1.tp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: penzance@gate.net CC: "STeve Andre'" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: On disk whining noises References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000708012358.022b7d10@pilot.msu.edu> <3966C772.BDC68979@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: How about Hitachi drives? My T20 came with a 12GB Hitachi (DK23AA-12B). It seems as least as quiet as the 6GB Toshiba I had in my 600. --Lee Hetherington From cph Sat Jul 8 11:06:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA03801 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:06:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22811; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:03:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22709; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22693; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60 -> cpimssmtpu10.smtp.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:03:22 -0400 Received: from burean - 63.27.183.152 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 08:02:56 -0700 From: "burean" To: Subject: laptop lists Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 09:58:44 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <01efc5602150870CPIMSSMTPU10@email.msn.com> List-Unsubscribe: Is there a way to find out if my 560's 2.1 gig drive will fit in my NEC Versa 4230? I just purchased the NEC for burning CD's. And all my images are on the 560's hard drive. And of course my 560 crapped out on me completely, before I could order a larger HD. The NEC's hard drive is to small to hold all the images for my CD's. So until I get a newer 560, I'd like to find a way to do this. Any help is appreciated, and since this is 1/2 off topic, any direction to another list too, would be appreciated. Thanks Brad From cph Sat Jul 8 11:39:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA03902 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:39:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24299; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:37:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:35:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24156; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24143; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:35:41 -0400 Received: from 216-164-134-143.s397.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.134.143] helo=localhost.localdomain) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13Awdn-0002Bs-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:35:40 -0400 From: Rusty Lingenfelter Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 16:38:47 GMT Message-ID: <20000708.16384700@localhost.localdomain> Subject: TP 760XD Question To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Mozilla/3.0 (compatible; StarOffice/5.1; Linux) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA03903 I can't tell from reading the information on IBM's site, is the HD on the 760XD removeable? Thanks. Rusty From cph Sat Jul 8 11:46:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA03934 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:46:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24913; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:44:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24668; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web123.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24653; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web123.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.191 -> web123.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:44:06 -0400 Received: (qmail 19600 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Jul 2000 15:44:05 -0000 Message-ID: <20000708154405.19599.qmail@web123.yahoomail.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web123.yahoomail.com; Sat, 08 Jul 2000 08:44:05 PDT Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 08:44:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: laptop lists To: burean Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id LAA24913 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA03935 The easiest way to find out is to stick it in and try it. I am able to swap drives between my laptops without any problems except in the Thinkpad that won't recognize a Toshiba drive. --- burean wrote: > Is there a way to find out if my 560's 2.1 gig drive > will fit in my NEC > Versa > 4230? I just purchased the NEC for burning CD's. > And all my images are on > the > 560's hard drive. And of course my 560 crapped out > on me completely, > before I could order a larger HD. The NEC's hard > drive is to small to hold > all the images for my CD's. > > So until I get a newer 560, I'd like to find a way > to do this. Any help > is appreciated, and since this is 1/2 off topic, any > direction to another > list too, would be appreciated. > > Thanks > Brad > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Sat Jul 8 11:47:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA03938 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:47:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25164; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:44:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24715; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24702; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:44:48 -0400 Received: from user-38ld6pa.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld6pa.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.155.42]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA29215; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007081544.LAA29215@granger.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Rusty Lingenfelter" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 11:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000708.16384700@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP 760XD Question List-Unsubscribe: Don't know -- someone will. But a question for you. Does the XD have the same port configuration as the CD? I have a CD and an XL, and if the screen was the "latest" and the keyboard had a little more snap, I would nominate it/them for the best TP's ever. Allan Ballard On Sat, 08 Jul 2000 16:38:47 GMT, Rusty Lingenfelter wrote: >I can't tell from reading the information on IBM's site, is the HD on >the 760XD removeable? Thanks. > >Rusty > > > From cph Sat Jul 8 11:48:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA03943 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:48:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25424; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:45:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24939; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:45:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24926; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 11:45:48 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.213]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000708154546.UAOF1264.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 15:45:46 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000708114354.01599630@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 11:43:54 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: TP 760XD Question In-Reply-To: <20000708.16384700@localhost.localdomain> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:38 PM 07/08/2000 GMT, Rusty Lingenfelter wrote: >I can't tell from reading the information on IBM's site, is the HD on >the 760XD removeable? Thanks. > Yes. From cph Sat Jul 8 12:35:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA04122 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:35:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28576; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:33:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28455; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:33:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28436; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:33:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (192.160.13.1 -> bolero.rahul.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:33:23 -0400 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA04109 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 09:33:21 -0700 Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by bolero.rahul.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A5B9B97005 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 09:33:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 4099 invoked from network); 8 Jul 2000 16:33:20 -0000 Received: from m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com (HELO NewPad) (198.144.205.90) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 8 Jul 2000 16:33:20 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: "STeve Andre'" , Subject: RE: On disk whining noises Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 09:33:21 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000708012358.022b7d10@pilot.msu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: > I'm curious though, if I go to the 18G disk, am I going to be > rewarded with "ThinkScreech"? Which 18Gb drive? I've got an 18Gb IBM drive and a couple of 18Gb Toshibas. The difference is like night and day. The IBM whines loudly and got that way after a very short time. The Toshibas are much, much quieter. One of the Toshibas did start to become a bit noisier over time, but it's nothing compared to the IBM. One other very significant difference: The IBM 18Gb drive lacks a spindle brake. When it spins down, it takes over ten seconds to come to a stop. The Toshibas stop in less than a second. If I put the 600 on standby with the IBM drive installed, I've got to listen to the machine and wait until the drive stops before I move it. With the Toshiba, as soon as the standby light comes on I know the drive is stopped. Here's a good price on the Toshiba 18Gb: http://www.sparco.com/cgi-bin/wfind2?spn=A444864 -Mike From cph Sat Jul 8 12:42:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA04152 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:42:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29340; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:40:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29144; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29131; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.147.1.143 -> chmls05.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:40:38 -0400 Received: from laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA04096 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:40:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: RE: On disk whining noises Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:40:51 -0400 Message-ID: <001401bfe8fb$46d06100$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Steve - I will reply on list, but I'm on my third 770Z 14.4 gig drive, and yes, each one started out quiet and ended up whiny within weeks or a few months. They seem to settle into a steady, annoying whine - i.e., this last one hasn't gotten infinitely worse. As for me, I give up. I hate this level of background noise, but I also don't see any real alternative to IBM. I like their laptops otherwise, and more important, require the Trackpoint. Maybe a Toshiba down the road, though I've used their Trackpoints briefly on other people's machines and they feel too loosey-goosey to me at least on first impression. Besides I'm not a laptop magnate and can't afford new laptops very often. Nonetheless, I think it's ridiculous that IBM can't pay more attention to the noise issue. I consider myself a reasonably sane person (a psychologist with a framed license enabling me to certify myself so, anyway) and it bothers me that anyone should have to feel like a crank for being bothered by something so unreasonable as an expensive but chronically noisy working companion. -- Jeff From cph Sat Jul 8 13:11:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA04282 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:11:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01898; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:10:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:08:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01580; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01565; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.40 -> mail1.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:08:36 -0400 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000708170835.FKAN416.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a>; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:08:35 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: penzance@gate.net Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:40:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: What are the memory options for 701 Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com CC: thinkpad Message-ID: <3967214F.683.210AC59@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <3966AAE3.2CC83310@gate.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: At 2000 July 8 - Saturday 0:15, Bill Morrow spoke about *Re: What are the memory options for...* saying > Mark.. > the 701 will officially support up to ONE 32meg upgrade.. > EDO memory is increasing in price.. > > some have suggested that a similarly designed 64meg part will work.. Others that it won't. Tom > > Mark Gardiner wrote: > > > Someone has asked for some help with more memory for a 701 - what are the > > memory options and anyone got any old modules for sale (I'm UK). ------------ Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 TomATrottier@home.com <<<>>> 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Sat Jul 8 13:14:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA04305 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:14:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02751; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:12:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02637; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA02623; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:12:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:12:18 -0400 Received: from burean - 63.22.251.254 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:11:52 -0700 From: "burean" To: Subject: removing memory Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:07:42 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <0b3e05211170870CPIMSSMTPU03@email.msn.com> List-Unsubscribe: How the heck do you get the memory chip out of the 560? Got a 32 meg chip sold that I need to remove. Thanks From cph Sat Jul 8 13:17:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA04316 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:17:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03271; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:15:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03105; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fafner.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03092; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fafner.Stanford.EDU (171.65.76.124 -> genome.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:15:07 -0400 Received: from fafner.Stanford.EDU (fafner.Stanford.EDU [172.21.1.12]) by fafner.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA07876; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 10:14:56 -0700 (PDT) From: John Olyarchuk X-Sender: jgo@fafner.Stanford.EDU Reply-To: jgo@genome.Stanford.EDU To: I Lee Hetherington cc: penzance@gate.net, "STeve Andre'" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: On disk whining noises In-Reply-To: <39673909.E90897A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I thought that IBM manufactured laptop hard disks and even OEM'd them to other laptop makers. Am I mistaken? Why are their high-end machines shipping with Toshiba and Hitachi drives? Who makes the new 20GB drive in the t20 and A20? john On Sat, 8 Jul 2000, I Lee Hetherington wrote: > How about Hitachi drives? My T20 came with a 12GB Hitachi > (DK23AA-12B). It seems as least as quiet as the 6GB Toshiba I had in my > 600. > > --Lee Hetherington > > From cph Sat Jul 8 13:46:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA04416 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:46:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06271; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:43:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06034; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06021; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:43:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 13:43:24 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.114]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000708174322.ZNGL17650.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 17:43:22 +0000 Message-ID: <002301bfe903$8550c520$720e4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Re: What are the memory options for 701 Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 12:39:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. The max, per module, is 32 megs. The max in memory is 64 megs total. If you change memory on the planer board, the chips themselves, to 32 megs, you can get 64 megs. The planer board is SMD, this will require both SMD and ESD soldering, not for the faint of heart. From cph Sat Jul 8 21:31:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA05703 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:31:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07260; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:31:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:27:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07056; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA07040; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:27:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:27:41 -0400 Received: from mwl ([32.101.34.203]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <20000709012659252032me8ve>; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:26:59 +0000 Message-ID: <002701bfe943$2fba91a0$cb226520@mwl> To: Subject: WorkPads -- are they useful? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:15:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Sorry for the slightly off-topic post but I thought that I would question the group. I have been asked if I would like to shift my duties at work from Physics teacher to Network Administrator/Technology coordinator since our IT person left and the district for which I work is interested in more closely integrating technology to curriculum since we have a large amount of capacity but little use. My duties will revolve around network maintenance and coordinating technology with software, such as TI's "Interactive!" For those of you that use PDA's, do you find them useful (better than paper 1.0 and pencil 1.3)? Our network is NT 4.0 based with everything from win 3.1 to 98 and (augh) Macs and yes Virgina, they are all networked together. I'm impressed with what MS touts can be done with syncing PDA's and Outlook-but does it work? By the end of the day I'm sure my brain is going to be fried, so I want a way to stay organized. Thoughts? Mike Lingenfelter From cph Sat Jul 8 22:24:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA05789 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:24:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA09047; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:22:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08909; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA08896; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:22:50 -0400 Received: from matrix ([32.101.173.43]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <20000709022207252033003ue>; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 02:22:08 +0000 From: "David Lee" To: , Subject: RE: WorkPads -- are they useful? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:20:18 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002701bfe943$2fba91a0$cb226520@mwl> List-Unsubscribe: For me personally I don't think it will replace paper and pen. I find myself consistently carrying around a notepad to write on even with my Palm pilot. I can't write down stuff fast enough in my PDA. I view my PDA as a glorified day timer nothing more. About syncing your workpad to outlook. I wouldn't know I use the standard Palm Desktop software. From cph Sat Jul 8 23:15:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA05924 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:15:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12322; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:13:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12111; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12097; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:13:33 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.179]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000709031331.DIHR17650.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 03:13:31 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000708231140.01b691f0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:11:40 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: WorkPads -- are they useful? In-Reply-To: <002701bfe943$2fba91a0$cb226520@mwl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:15 PM 07/08/2000 -0400, mlingen@attglobal.net wrote: >For those of you that use PDA's, do you find them useful (better than paper >1.0 and pencil 1.3)? > For the most part, yes. First, I had a paper daytimer, then a Sharp Wizard. When the Wizard died a few months ago, I went back to a paper planner, and it was very painful. Now I have a Palm IIIc, and I love it. It makes it very easy to keep my calendar, address book, to-do list, etc up to date, and I carry it with me everywhere. In addition to the above functions, it's also a very handy place to store all those odd bits and pieces of information that we all collect. Mine has everything in it from IDs and passwords to Frequent Flyer numbers to software serial numbers to the part number for the fluorescent tube that goes over my kitchen sink. Everything easily available as well as safely synced/backed up to my TP600 (obligatory TP content). I have no information about how well or poorly it works with Outlook since I'm syncing to Lotus Notes using MobileConnect and to the Palm Desktop software. I saw David's response, and I also still use a notepad where I jot down names, phone numbers and notes when I'm on the phone and that I carry with me (along with the Palm) to meetings. Graffiti is easy to learn and use, but I don't like taking extensive notes using it - too slow and error-prone when I'm in a hurry and scribbling. If there's something from meeting notes that I need to transfer to my Palm, it's easy enough to key it into the Palm Desktop and then sync it to the Palm. I use the Palm for portable, centralized information. In the near future, I'm supposed to be getting wireless access to our network using the Palm and a CE device. I'll probably use it more then for e-mail when I'm away from the office. Glorified daytimer on steroids, perhaps. One of my favorite applications is a freeware app called HandyShopper (find it at PalmGear). While I like it for how simple it makes putting a grocery list together, it's also useful for managing any type of repetitive checklist like packing, tasks, projects, errands etc. I do feel a little geeky carrying it around in the grocery store, though. People give me odd looks and try to see what I'm doing. The current WorkPad c3 is IBM's OEM version of the Palm Vx, and it's a very nice, small, lightweight unit. The reason I got the Palm IIIc for my own use is because I could see the color screen better than I could see the reflective screen on the c3/Vx. It would be nice if Palm came out with a color screen on a device the size and weight of the c3/Vx - the Sony version that was pre-announced at PC Expo looks promising. So far, I haven't tried one of the new WinCE Pocket PCs. I'm supposed to be eval'ing the Compaq iPaq, but it hasn't shown up yet. Hope this helps! Uncharacteristically untersely, Jane From cph Sat Jul 8 23:25:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA05986 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:25:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12832; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:25:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:24:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12730; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12715; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (216.70.64.24 -> mrs-1-fix.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:24:17 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (1Cust235.tnt28.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.27.211.235]) by mrs-1.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA94331; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3967F091.65932972@mail.orion.org> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 22:25:05 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mlingen@attglobal.net CC: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WorkPads -- are they useful? References: <002701bfe943$2fba91a0$cb226520@mwl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: mlingen@attglobal.net wrote: > > Sorry for the slightly off-topic post but I thought that I would question > the group. > > I have been asked if I would like to shift my duties at work from Physics > teacher to Network Administrator/Technology coordinator since our IT person > left and the district for which I work is interested in more closely > integrating technology to curriculum since we have a large amount of > capacity but little use. My duties will revolve around network maintenance > and coordinating technology with software, such as TI's "Interactive!" For > those of you that use PDA's, do you find them useful (better than paper 1.0 > and pencil 1.3)? > > Our network is NT 4.0 based with everything from win 3.1 to 98 and (augh) > Macs and yes Virgina, they are all networked together. I'm impressed with > what MS touts can be done with syncing PDA's and Outlook-but does it work? > By the end of the day I'm sure my brain is going to be fried, so I want a > way to stay organized. Yes, they are very useful. Makes for an excellent substitute brain, but then I am very VERY forgetful and the PDA helps a lot. It has relieved a lot of stress and frustration I had when I would forget lots of things. I have a Palm IIIe which is similar to the Palm OS Workpads. Sometimes it's still quicker to jot notes down on paper, but it's easier to organize notes in the Palm (paper notes get tossed around and misplaced). Syncing to the desktop works well, although I have never tried syncing to Outlook as I don't have the conduit software to do that. I've heard the Palm can also sync to MS Money, but I haven't tried the conduit for that yet. You mention MS and PDA's. If you're talking about WinCE, I have played around with a WinCE handheld before. The WinCE machines have more memory and more toys (color screens, built-in soundcards, ability to play MP3's, etc), but they operate more like a PC than an organizer. They require all that memory just for the apps. Apps load relatively slowly with an hourglass just like a PC. IMO, WinCE is not as practical as PalmOS. Palm devices are FAST, apps are SMALL, and operation is very simple. Push the button for the app, and instantly it is running. Now hourglass, no waiting. The simplicity of PalmOS devices is what has allowed them to increase in marketshare while more advanced PDA's have come and gone. Shawn From cph Sat Jul 8 23:32:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA06019 for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:32:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13394; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:32:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:30:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13230; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13217; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:30:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:30:33 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id XAA11889; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:30:32 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id XAA22894; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 23:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000708202941.0160ec48@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 20:30:04 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: On disk whining noises In-Reply-To: References: <39673909.E90897A@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 10:14 AM 7/8/2000 -0700, you wrote: >I thought that IBM manufactured laptop hard disks and even OEM'd them to >other laptop makers. Am I mistaken? Why are their high-end machines >shipping with Toshiba and Hitachi drives? Who makes the new 20GB drive in >the t20 and A20? There's a new 20 GB drive? From cph Sun Jul 9 00:09:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA06214 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 00:09:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15685; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 00:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 00:08:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15566; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 00:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15553; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 00:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 00:08:01 -0400 Received: from accumedia.com (houdini.accumedia.com [172.16.130.2]) by server.accumedia.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e693tF902934; Sat, 8 Jul 2000 21:55:16 -0600 Thread-Topic: WorkPads -- are they useful? X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 Thread-Index: Ab/pRO0tEs4gHtVASu2gM7X2Pw1FEgAFUG6A content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: , Subject: RE: WorkPads -- are they useful? Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2000 22:06:03 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A0B5110@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id AAA06215 Well, I actually have a Workpad c3 (aka Palm V with a black IBM skin) and sync it to Outlook/Exchange (Windows 2k, not that it matters). It works flawlessly. I also use Franklin's planner software for both the Workpad and Outlook. That has worked a little less than flawlessly, but has nothing to do with either the PDA or Outlook. I have looked at the Windows PDAs in the past, and, frankly, find them way too slow. When I hit a button, I want to be in the app NOW, and be working or checking schedules. I can't imagine a "Start" button on my PDA -- or a boot process, for that matter. I carry my Workpad exclusively, including for taking notes at meetings (here the Frankly add-on comes in handy, since it is a daily record of events, not a memo file folder like the standard PalmOS app). I'm not really fast with Graffiti, but fast enough, I guess. I have been using a PalmOS PDA for years (since about 3 months after the 1000 came out years ago). I used to have a paper DayTimer. I wrote in it religiously. Problem was that it never told me that I was going to be late for a meeting, and I lost track of time constantly. I bought a Sharp (pre-Wizard), which helped a lot. The problem is that there was no backup for its data, and no PC app. The PalmPilot fixed that problem. One database, multiple locations. I have used one with the Palm Desktop, Outlook as an Internet mail app, with Netscape, with Lotus Notes, and now with Outlook as an Exchange client. It has worked without a hitch in every one of those environments. The add-ons are great (PalmGear is a great place to start -- I have the aluminum stylus and the Palm hard case). My only current complaint is that Palm has taken its sweet time getting the infrared working on Win2k. It was slick when I was running 98 on my Thinkpad! Now, syncing on the road doesn't happen. ssh -----Original Message----- From: mlingen@attglobal.net [mailto:mlingen@attglobal.net] Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 19:16 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: WorkPads -- are they useful? Sorry for the slightly off-topic post but I thought that I would question the group. I have been asked if I would like to shift my duties at work from Physics teacher to Network Administrator/Technology coordinator since our IT person left and the district for which I work is interested in more closely integrating technology to curriculum since we have a large amount of capacity but little use. My duties will revolve around network maintenance and coordinating technology with software, such as TI's "Interactive!" For those of you that use PDA's, do you find them useful (better than paper 1.0 and pencil 1.3)? Our network is NT 4.0 based with everything from win 3.1 to 98 and (augh) Macs and yes Virgina, they are all networked together. I'm impressed with what MS touts can be done with syncing PDA's and Outlook-but does it work? By the end of the day I'm sure my brain is going to be fried, so I want a way to stay organized. Thoughts? Mike Lingenfelter From cph Sun Jul 9 01:17:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA06436 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:17:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20620; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:15:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20424; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front3m.grolier.fr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20411; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:15:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front3m.grolier.fr (195.36.216.53 -> front3m.grolier.fr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:15:14 -0400 Received: from TP600X (ppp-107-209.villette.club-internet.fr [194.158.107.209]) by front3m.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id HAA13481 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 07:15:11 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001201bfe96d$173fafa0$d16b9ec2@TP600X> From: "Yves Soussi" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 07:15:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01BFE975.78A57CE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BFE975.78A57CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable unsubscribe ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BFE975.78A57CE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_000F_01BFE975.78A57CE0-- From cph Sun Jul 9 01:48:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA06522 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:48:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21514; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:48:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:46:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21421; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21408; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 01:46:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id AAA20857; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 00:46:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 00:46:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: mlingen@attglobal.net cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WorkPads -- are they useful? In-Reply-To: <002701bfe943$2fba91a0$cb226520@mwl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: 3M mourns the loss of Post-It Note sales to this Palm Pilot user! I used to have a mess on my desk, in my pockets and wallet. Those slips of paper were everywhere, often with important information on them. I never know when something worth remembering will come across, and the large daily planners are never handy. The Pilot solved it all for me, I can't imagine getting by without it. I sync a Palm III to my T20 with a notebook serial cable (no cradle). Try as I did, I could not get the IR to function properly. The Palm Desktop software is a but clunky, I enter nearly all the data directly into the Palm. Some people swear by their PDAs, as I do. Some see little use for them. It depends on the way you work, and what you are doing. In your new job it sounds like you will have to maintain a wide variety of equipment, and a PDA will put the information you need at your finger tips. A laptop is too large, heavy, and slow to use as an organizer. Need another IP address? What are the dial up access numbers? What is the password for that router? I can't remember the name of... What is the tech support number for Dell? The list goes on and on. Get a Pilot, you will not regret it. BTW 2 megabytes goes a loooong way. You can eat up RAM quickly with dictionaries and Avantgo, but the basic tools create very small data files. I am a heavy daily user, and run much of my business from my Palm III with 2MB. If I delete the games and toys (No, I NEED a tricorder!), there is still over 500K free. That's my sales pitch. -Mitch On Sat, 8 Jul 2000 mlingen@attglobal.net wrote: > those of you that use PDA's, do you find them useful (better than paper 1.0 > and pencil 1.3)? -- Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Sun Jul 9 02:54:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA06638 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 02:54:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23591; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 02:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 02:52:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23452; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 02:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltdpop4.ptld.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23439; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 02:51:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pltdpop4.ptld.uswest.net (198.36.160.4 -> ptldpop4.ptld.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 02:51:59 -0400 Received: (qmail 17625 invoked by alias); 9 Jul 2000 06:51:57 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 17615 invoked by uid 0); 9 Jul 2000 06:51:56 -0000 Received: from dialupp254.ptld.uswest.net (HELO uswest.net) (216.161.85.254) by ptldpop4.ptld.uswest.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2000 06:51:56 -0000 Message-ID: <39681FCB.38929ED@uswest.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2000 23:46:35 -0700 From: Patrick West Reply-To: patrickwest@uswest.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mlingen@attglobal.net CC: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WorkPads -- are they useful? References: <002701bfe943$2fba91a0$cb226520@mwl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Depends on what you want to do with them. I am a big fan of the hp 200lx (dos palmtop PC) and also The PalmOS. My wife, one daughter and son in law use the Palm III and the other daughter and I use HPs (I'm limping upon two opinions as I also have a Palm pilot Pro). My son uses a Velo (WinCE) machine. If all you want is a PIM with some bells and whistles the palm OS is very nice. For many things the Older DOS HP 200LX is unbeatable. However as a Network Adm of a winNT based network, some WinCE machines will allow true network connections that allow you to do real work. There is even a Windows Terminal Server Client for the WinCE OS. Battery life WinCE machines poor Palm III very good Hp 200LX good -- Patrick West pgp 2.6.2 key fingerprint = 33 1B 3D EC 69 69 3A D4 7F 9A 4D 35 5B D5 0E 41 From cph Sun Jul 9 12:26:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA17288 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:26:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11537; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:23:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11329; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11316; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:23:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (192.160.13.1 -> bolero.rahul.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:23:18 -0400 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA00389 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:23:17 -0700 Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by bolero.rahul.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 40DFC97004 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:23:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 377 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2000 16:23:15 -0000 Received: from m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com (HELO NewPad) (198.144.205.90) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 9 Jul 2000 16:23:15 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: Cc: Subject: RE: On disk whining noises Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:23:17 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: > I thought that IBM manufactured laptop hard disks and even OEM'd them to > other laptop makers. Am I mistaken? Why are their high-end machines > shipping with Toshiba and Hitachi drives? Who makes the new 20GB drive in > the t20 and A20? Yes, IBM manufactures hard drives and sells them to other notebook makers. They also buy drives from other manufacturers for their own notebooks. It's a pretty standard business practice these days: One division of the company doesn't get to be the exclusive supplier for other divisions; they have to compete with other suppliers. -Mike From cph Sun Jul 9 12:31:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA17328 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:31:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11941; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:30:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11812; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11799; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:30:02 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA18639; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 09:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000709092901.04d40ce0@houdini.dgoldman.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 09:29:48 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: How to unsubscribe from the Thinkpads mailing list (was Re: unsubscribe) In-Reply-To: <001201bfe96d$173fafa0$d16b9ec2@TP600X> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:15 PM 7/8/2000 , "Yves Soussi" wrote: >unsubscribe To unsubscribe, you must not only send a message with the subject being 'unsubscribe' (without the quotes), but you must also send it to the proper address (which is DIFFERENT from the normal address used for messages. So, either send a message as follows: TO: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu SUBJECT: unsubscribe or click on the link below: List-Unsubscribe: ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:50:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28814; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:50:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:48:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28692; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:48:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fafner.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28679; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fafner.Stanford.EDU (171.65.76.124 -> genome.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 15:48:54 -0400 Received: from fafner.Stanford.EDU (fafner.Stanford.EDU [172.21.1.12]) by fafner.Stanford.EDU (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA21336; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:48:52 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 12:48:51 -0700 (PDT) From: John Olyarchuk X-Sender: jgo@fafner.Stanford.EDU Reply-To: jgo@genome.Stanford.EDU To: Michael Geary cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: On disk whining noises In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Interesting. So the mfr/bus units are individual cost-centers. I have a strong preference for IBM's 3.5 inch ATA drives particularly because they are quiet. I don't know much about the laptop drives, although it sounds like Toshiba's may be better. For some components, such as the LCD panel, I have read that IBM has the best quality and I would hope to get that when buying a thinkpad. Maybe not...? John On Sun, 9 Jul 2000, Michael Geary wrote: > > I thought that IBM manufactured laptop hard disks and even OEM'd them to > > other laptop makers. Am I mistaken? Why are their high-end machines > > shipping with Toshiba and Hitachi drives? Who makes the new 20GB drive in > > the t20 and A20? > > Yes, IBM manufactures hard drives and sells them to other notebook makers. > They also buy drives from other manufacturers for their own notebooks. It's > a pretty standard business practice these days: One division of the company > doesn't get to be the exclusive supplier for other divisions; they have to > compete with other suppliers. > > -Mike > From cph Sun Jul 9 17:55:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA18418 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 17:55:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02511; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 17:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 17:54:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02387; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 17:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02374; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 17:54:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.40 -> mail1.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 17:54:00 -0400 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000709215358.MBOK416.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a>; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 14:53:58 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: , Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 17:53:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: WorkPads -- are they useful? Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <3968BC2D.4271.396F2C@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi Mike, Well, I have an HP OmniGo rather than a PalmPilot/WorkPad, and I gather it works more slowly than PalmPilot. But I did especially find it useful for schedules, because I can just cut and paste information from the emails, Web pages, etc. into the schedule. I also find that the entry of repetitive appointments is much easier with the device than paper. Searching for names or bits of information is also much easier, and even faster despite my impatient thumb twiddling while I wait. It seems faster when you're actually fingering through papers because you're doing something. Graffiti, though, is slower than handwriting, and the screen is small, especially compared to an 8 1/2 by 11 notebook. So I often take my 701 along to meetings. Tom At 2000 July 8 - Saturday 21:15, spoke about *WorkPads -- are they useful?...* saying > Sorry for the slightly off-topic post but I thought that I would question > the group. > > I have been asked if I would like to shift my duties at work from Physics > teacher to Network Administrator/Technology coordinator since our IT person > left and the district for which I work is interested in more closely > integrating technology to curriculum since we have a large amount of > capacity but little use. My duties will revolve around network maintenance > and coordinating technology with software, such as TI's "Interactive!" For > those of you that use PDA's, do you find them useful (better than paper 1.0 > and pencil 1.3)? > > Our network is NT 4.0 based with everything from win 3.1 to 98 and (augh) > Macs and yes Virgina, they are all networked together. I'm impressed with > what MS touts can be done with syncing PDA's and Outlook-but does it work? > By the end of the day I'm sure my brain is going to be fried, so I want a > way to stay organized. > > Thoughts? > > > Mike Lingenfelter ------------ Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 TomATrottier@home.com <<<>>> 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Sun Jul 9 18:37:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18500 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:37:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04246; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:35:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04135; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04122; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (199.224.64.56 -> lima.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:35:44 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp98.epix.net [199.224.125.98]) by lima.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000052301/PL) with SMTP id e69MZgG25852 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 18:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007092235.e69MZgG25852@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 18:34:50 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200007092142.e69LgZG19490@lima.epix.net> Subject: Re: Thinkpad A20 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zf/19zf List-Unsubscribe: Earlier, I asked on a couple of other lists: >Is anyone running Warp on this beastie? I like the specs on the 262831U >(64 meg/12 gig 15" 1024*768; CD) but IBM doesn't support the A20 (altho >they do support the pricier T20 and the older 600 line). >I'd like to know what drivers are needed, and what functionality is >missing. Answering my own question somewhat - comparing the W9x driver situation between the A20m and the T20 (which also has OS2 drivers) I find that audio, utility, hibarnation are the same, so it would be a good guess that the T20 drivers for OS2 would work on the A20. Video is different (not surprising, since the A20 uses ATI Rage Mobility M1 and the T20 SAVAGE IX8). SDD claims support for Rage Mobility (not sure if the M1 is important or not). And I'm not sure what's needed for PCMCIA on the A20 - there's no PCMCIA driver shown for the T20 but there is for A20. Also, there's no OS2 support shown for any of the T20 modem options. Again, is anyone running Warp on an A20? -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- Madness takes its toll. Please have exact change. From cph Sun Jul 9 20:28:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA18846 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:28:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08304; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:28:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:25:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08173; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08160; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (206.191.0.250 -> mx2.magma.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:25:47 -0400 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20022 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:25:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port60.magma.ca [209.217.123.60]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA24934 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:25:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007100025.UAA24934@mail3.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:25:44 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: OT: Desktop: Ambra 1034E? List-Unsubscribe: Hello! A friend has an Ambra 1034E and would like to get another one (same model). Since it's more than six months old, it's not on the IBM site (Canada or US). But is it possible it would be available through a liquidator or clearance outlet? IBM stores and phone are no help. Thanks! andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sun Jul 9 20:51:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA18927 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:51:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09669; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:50:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09478; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09458; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (199.224.64.56 -> lima.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:50:12 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp52.epix.net [199.224.125.52]) by lima.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000052301/PL) with SMTP id e6A0oAG14719 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007100050.e6A0oAG14719@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:50:05 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200007100025.UAA24934@mail3.magma.ca> Subject: Re: OT: Desktop: Ambra 1034E? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zf/19zf List-Unsubscribe: In <200007100025.UAA24934@mail3.magma.ca>, on 07/09/00 at 08:25 PM, "Andrew Webber" typed: >Hello! A friend has an Ambra 1034E and would like to get another one >(same model). Never heard of these, but a google search on ibm ambra turned up an IBM Canada site for "vintage PC's" which lead to: http://www.can.ibm.com/helpware/ambndx.html but the model number you mention doesn't turn up there. Can you give us more particulars about the machine - it might be very similar to a US model that could be found somewhere. However, I see also a 1994 announcement that IBM was abandoning its Ambra Subsidiary, so finding one at this point in time is probably going to be an interesting challenge. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- We do precision guesswork. From cph Sun Jul 9 20:56:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA18954 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:56:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10196; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:55:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09966; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09953; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:54:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx2.magma.ca (206.191.0.250 -> mx2.magma.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:54:59 -0400 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.magma.ca [206.191.0.221]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21219 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew (hs-port60.magma.ca [209.217.123.60]) by mail3.magma.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA27346 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 20:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007100054.UAA27346@mail3.magma.ca> From: "Andrew Webber" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:54:52 -0400 Reply-To: "Andrew Webber" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 95 (4.0.1212) In-Reply-To: <200007100050.e6A0oAG14719@lima.epix.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OT: Desktop: Ambra 1034E? List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:50:05 -0400, Julian Thomas wrote: >In <200007100025.UAA24934@mail3.magma.ca>, on 07/09/00 > at 08:25 PM, "Andrew Webber" typed: > >>Hello! A friend has an Ambra 1034E and would like to >>get another one (same model). > >Never heard of these, but a google search on ibm ambra >turned up an IBM Canada site for "vintage PC's" which >lead to: >http://www.can.ibm.com/helpware/ambndx.html > >but the model number you mention doesn't turn up there. > >Can you give us more particulars about the machine - it >might be very similar to a US model that could be found >somewhere. > >However, I see also a 1994 announcement that IBM was >abandoning its Ambra Subsidiary, so finding one at this >point in time is probably going to be an interesting >challenge. Thanks for the quick answer! I don't have any specs on it right now (not very helpful, I know). As you say, this particular model isn't listed, but it was purchased in the last year although I can't say for certain how old it actually is. I'll get more info if I can, but if anyone has heard of this model or can suggest where more would be found, I'd appreciate it (why not a newer model with the same or better spec? I'm not certain :( ). Thanks again! andrew [awebber@wwwebbers.com] ------ for PGP public key, send email with "send public key" as subject current local weather: http://cnn.com/WEATHER/html/OttawaOntario.html From cph Sun Jul 9 22:30:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA19285 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:30:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14525; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:26:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14280; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:26:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14267; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.106 -> pimout7-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:26:39 -0400 Received: from chuck (adsl-63-198-207-118.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.207.118]) by pimout7-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA67198 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:26:37 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 19:26:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Using UltraSlimBay HDD adapter Reply-to: chuck@ccncn.org Message-ID: <3968D1E2.5477.59321DF@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: I have a spare laptop drive. Is all I need to add it as a second drive to my 600E the UltraSlimBay HDD adapter that Egghead and IBM Direct are selling for $29.95? Or am I missing something here? Thanks. From cph Sun Jul 9 23:08:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19405 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:08:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16913; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:08:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:04:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16659; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:04:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16646; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:04:52 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id XAA29277; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:04:51 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id XAA23304; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000709195903.023ceb30@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2000 20:00:18 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Using UltraSlimBay HDD adapter In-Reply-To: <3968D1E2.5477.59321DF@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 07:26 PM 7/9/2000 -0700, you wrote: >I have a spare laptop drive. Is all I need to add it as a second drive to my >600E the UltraSlimBay HDD adapter that Egghead and IBM Direct are >selling for $29.95? > >Or am I missing something here? Nope. Its as simple as that (assuming your drive is a standard EIDE). From cph Sun Jul 9 23:38:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19510 for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:38:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18159; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:36:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17982; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:36:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17969; Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.32 -> smtp.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 9 Jul 2000 23:36:05 -0400 Received: from dsl-216-227-92-125.telocity.com (HELO bertha) (216.227.92.125) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jul 2000 03:32:08 -0000 X-Apparently-From: Reply-To: From: "dennis pantazis" To: , Subject: RE: WorkPads -- are they useful? Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2000 22:34:46 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002701bfe943$2fba91a0$cb226520@mwl> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: yes yes! (do the palm thing, go into IT, make sure you pay increases too) as with any technology, it will be as usefull as you make it. its propably the best $300 i spent, ever! go with the palm. forget 'wince.' i like the black ibm better than the palm grey. i also believe in dissimilar ion exchange, like german sparkplugs in a german car, japanese in japanese cars. wierd karma happens when you start to mix ethnicities. ergo, you are good with a workpad. thinkpad-workpad, workpad-thinkpad (get it?). workpad/palm is obligatory if you will be doing any sys/net admin work. (i used to maitain a fleet of 20 palms as well as a 150+ node network) get the oreilly palm book, it has a flying squirrel on the cover. its a must read. the sw, that comes with the palm device is the chapura sync for ms outlook. i have used it w/outlook 97-98-2000 flawlessly. it can also do netscape and such. other sw of repute is the puma intellisync. its good too. the intellesync will aslo allow a central terminal to hotsync any user to their exchange account, based on the pda, not the login! chapura sw was/is finnickey with nt, you used to have to set user to admin priviledges to install the sw, then remove admin rights. don;t ask, its an nt thing. the sync sw is a conduit to outlook. it maps the proper palm fields to the outlook fields. it also lets you custom define some of the user feilds. thing is, it will currently only sync to one contacts folder, so if you want deparmental/enterprise contacts, you have to import them into your own contacts. with a bit of creative exporting, csv-excel and text editing, you can customize and organize a few hundred contacts in a short ammount of time. the biggest thing i did found use for was for keeping faq and readmes handy: cable pinouts, ip numbers, subnetting calculator, config files, vi codes, calculator, etc... learn how to make docs, freeware app to convert text file to palm file. you can even add a terminal emulator and dial into a term server! other nice things are rpn calculator, tealpoint software extras, pocket quicken, and of course, pocket euchre and blackjack to pass the time while nt reboots! good luck dennis __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Mon Jul 10 12:01:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA22530 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:01:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01563; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:00:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:57:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01304; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:57:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01290; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:57:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (209.228.14.208 -> c008-h019.c008.sfo.cp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:57:54 -0400 Received: (cpmta 7490 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2000 08:57:53 -0700 Received: from okc2A-hfc-0251-d8d857bd.ok.coxatwork.com (HELO concentric.net) (216.216.87.189) by smtp.okc.coxatwork.com (209.228.14.208) with SMTP; 10 Jul 2000 08:57:53 -0700 X-Sent: 10 Jul 2000 15:57:53 GMT Message-ID: <3969F28A.A45DDEDD@concentric.net> Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:58:02 -0500 From: "Robert D. Baron" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Upgrade HD Q's: TP600 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've probably been nodding off lately and missed a discussion of this, so forgive me and let me ask it again: I've got an almost 2 year old TP600 (2645-45U) running the factory installed Win98 with a 5.1GB hard drive; what are my options for replacing that hard drive with a larger one? What sizes are available, who makes them, where can I find them, and what do they cost? (I'm thinking I would like one in the 7-8GB range but am open to suggestions.) How do I go about moving the contents of my old hard drive to the new one? Thanks very much for putting up with my very occasional inquiries with such good spirit and help. From cph Mon Jul 10 12:29:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA22915 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:29:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04183; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:23:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03863; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:23:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03850; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:23:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:23:54 -0400 Received: from 216-164-134-119.s373.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.134.119]) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #3) id 13BgLZ-0001jZ-00; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:23:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:24:14 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.44) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <54228306891.20000710122414@erols.com> To: "Robert D. Baron" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Upgrade HD Q's: TP600 In-reply-To: <3969F28A.A45DDEDD@concentric.net> References: <3969F28A.A45DDEDD@concentric.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Robert, Monday, July 10, 2000, 11:58:02 AM, you wrote: > I've probably been nodding off lately and missed a discussion of this, > so forgive me and let me ask it again: I've got an almost 2 year old > TP600 (2645-45U) running the factory installed Win98 with a 5.1GB hard > drive; what are my options for replacing that hard drive with a larger > one? > How do I go about moving the contents of my old hard drive to the new > one? I moved my stuff from a 560 to my 600 by buying a tp to ide connector at my local computer shop. THis lets you plug in your original drive, which you have carefully removed, into a desktop machine. I then used DriveCopy to make a disk image onto a desktop drive. Then I used DC to copy from there to my new tp drive using the connector, and reinstalled both tp drives. > Thanks very much for putting up with my very occasional inquiries with > such good spirit and help. -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Mon Jul 10 12:36:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA22976 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:36:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05233; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:33:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05072; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05057; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:33:05 -0400 Received: from matrix ([32.100.117.172]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000071016330323901plc07e>; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 16:33:03 +0000 From: "David Lee" To: "Robert D. Baron" , Subject: RE: Upgrade HD Q's: TP600 Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:30:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3969F28A.A45DDEDD@concentric.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: you can get an IBM travelstar 12Gig drive for $190. check cnet.com And search for travelstar -----Original Message----- From: Robert D. Baron [mailto:rbaron@concentric.net] Sent: Monday, July 10, 2000 11:58 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Upgrade HD Q's: TP600 I've probably been nodding off lately and missed a discussion of this, so forgive me and let me ask it again: I've got an almost 2 year old TP600 (2645-45U) running the factory installed Win98 with a 5.1GB hard drive; what are my options for replacing that hard drive with a larger one? What sizes are available, who makes them, where can I find them, and what do they cost? (I'm thinking I would like one in the 7-8GB range but am open to suggestions.) How do I go about moving the contents of my old hard drive to the new one? Thanks very much for putting up with my very occasional inquiries with such good spirit and help. From cph Mon Jul 10 12:38:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA23008 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:38:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05611; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:36:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:35:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05373; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05318; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.4 -> mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:34:59 -0400 Received: (qmail 14800 invoked by alias); 10 Jul 2000 16:34:56 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 14716 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jul 2000 16:34:54 -0000 Received: from dialupff118.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.15.118) by mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 10 Jul 2000 16:34:53 -0000 Message-ID: <003201bfea8c$ebb8efb0$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: , References: <002701bfe943$2fba91a0$cb226520@mwl> Subject: Re: WorkPads -- are they useful? Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 11:35:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: There are other options. I have a Rex PC Companion. It's great for access to contacts, events and to-do items. It's acceptable for access to text files. It's useless for data entry, taking notes and cannot run any other software, but it is seriously tiny and relatively inexpensive ($75 or so for the 512K version). You can download free software to install a synchronize button in Outlook. I synchronize with Outlook 2000, now that I have it set up the way I want. It works flawlessly. It stores thousands of events or contacts. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 8:15 PM Subject: WorkPads -- are they useful? > Sorry for the slightly off-topic post but I thought that I would question > the group. > > I have been asked if I would like to shift my duties at work from Physics > teacher to Network Administrator/Technology coordinator since our IT person > left and the district for which I work is interested in more closely > integrating technology to curriculum since we have a large amount of > capacity but little use. My duties will revolve around network maintenance > and coordinating technology with software, such as TI's "Interactive!" For > those of you that use PDA's, do you find them useful (better than paper 1.0 > and pencil 1.3)? > > Our network is NT 4.0 based with everything from win 3.1 to 98 and (augh) > Macs and yes Virgina, they are all networked together. I'm impressed with > what MS touts can be done with syncing PDA's and Outlook-but does it work? > By the end of the day I'm sure my brain is going to be fried, so I want a > way to stay organized. > > Thoughts? > > > Mike Lingenfelter > > From cph Mon Jul 10 12:57:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA23209 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:57:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07870; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:54:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07686; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07672; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (195.170.0.2 -> ns1.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Jul 2000 12:54:44 -0400 Received: from athe530-n151.otenet.gr (athe530-f153.otenet.gr [212.205.234.153]) by ns1.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6AGsfU29226 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:54:42 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007101654.e6AGsfU29226@ns1.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 19:53:38 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [DVD] DVD on TP? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id MAA07870 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA23210 Many TPs have DVDs now, and i was wondering if they also have the digital output connection to connect to a 5.1/7.1 Dolby Digital Home Theater or equivalent. Since digital surround sound is one of the good things about DVD, is it possible to hear it from a TP? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Jul 10 13:51:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA23679 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:51:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12287; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:48:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12002; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11989; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (192.160.13.1 -> bolero.rahul.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 10 Jul 2000 13:48:10 -0400 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA08155 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:48:09 -0700 Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by bolero.rahul.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A835997004 for ; Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 8148 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2000 17:48:08 -0000 Received: from adsl-63-195-163-251.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net (HELO NewPad) (63.195.163.251) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 10 Jul 2000 17:48:08 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: , Subject: RE: Using UltraSlimBay HDD adapter Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2000 10:48:07 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <3968D1E2.5477.59321DF@localhost> List-Unsubscribe: You should also get an extra TP600 hard drive tray from Bill Morrow at www.thinkpads.com. You don't *need* it, but without it, the hard drive is a very loose fit inside the 2nd HDD adapter, and the first time you pull the HDD adapter out of the machine upside down, the hard drive will fall out of it. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Blaisdell [mailto:cblaisd@tdl.com] > Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 7:26 PM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Using UltraSlimBay HDD adapter > > > I have a spare laptop drive. Is all I need to add it as a second > drive to my > 600E the UltraSlimBay HDD adapter that Egghead and IBM Direct are > selling for $29.95? > > Or am I missing something here? > > Thanks. > > From cph Tue Jul 11 13:15:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA32298 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:15:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10582; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:11:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10183; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10170; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (192.160.13.1 -> bolero.rahul.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:11:35 -0400 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA03302 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:11:35 -0700 Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by bolero.rahul.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 3D8D197007 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:11:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3242 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 17:11:28 -0000 Received: from m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com (HELO NewPad) (198.144.205.90) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 17:11:28 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Donald MacQueen" , "Robert D. Baron" Cc: Subject: RE: Upgrade HD Q's: TP600 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:11:26 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <54228306891.20000710122414@erols.com> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > > How do I go about moving the contents of my old hard drive to the new > > one? > > I moved my stuff from a 560 to my 600 by buying a tp to ide connector > at my local computer shop. THis lets you plug in your original drive, > which you have carefully removed, into a desktop machine. I then > used DriveCopy to make a disk image onto a desktop drive. Then I used > DC to copy from there to my new tp drive using the connector, and > reinstalled both tp drives. That works fine, but you don't need to use a desktop machine when you have a TP600. All you need is the UltraslimBay 2nd HDD Adapter--one of the most useful gadgets you can get for a 600. Then you can use DriveCopy or Ghost or whatever you like, right on the 600 itself. It's also a good idea to get an extra TP600 drive mounting tray from Bill Morrow (www.thinkpads.com). You can get by without it--a bare drive will fit in the 2nd HDD Adapter--but it's a loose fit. The tray makes a nice snug fit in the adapter so it won't fall out. Bill also sells the 2nd HDD Adapters and all kinds of drives too. -Mike From cph Tue Jul 11 13:38:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA32493 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:38:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12564; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:37:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12389; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:37:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12370; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.teleport.com (192.108.254.43 -> mail2.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:37:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 18252 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2000 17:37:10 -0000 Received: from i48-10-22.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.4.86) by mail2.teleport.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2000 17:37:10 -0000 Message-ID: <396B5BF3.6D7545FF@teleport.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 10:40:05 -0700 From: Bryan Daum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: Donald MacQueen , "Robert D. Baron" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Upgrade HD Q's: TP600 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My 600 being new I haven't thought too much about additional drives but I recall a recent thread that a toshiba drive was quieter....I have no idea whether the thread was about a 600 compatible drive but I recall thinking that at drive replacement time I would look into this. Bryan Michael Geary wrote: > > > How do I go about moving the contents of my old hard drive to the new > > > one? > > > > I moved my stuff from a 560 to my 600 by buying a tp to ide connector > > at my local computer shop. THis lets you plug in your original drive, > > which you have carefully removed, into a desktop machine. I then > > used DriveCopy to make a disk image onto a desktop drive. Then I used > > DC to copy from there to my new tp drive using the connector, and > > reinstalled both tp drives. > > That works fine, but you don't need to use a desktop machine when you have a > TP600. All you need is the UltraslimBay 2nd HDD Adapter--one of the most > useful gadgets you can get for a 600. Then you can use DriveCopy or Ghost or > whatever you like, right on the 600 itself. > > It's also a good idea to get an extra TP600 drive mounting tray from Bill > Morrow (www.thinkpads.com). You can get by without it--a bare drive will fit > in the 2nd HDD Adapter--but it's a loose fit. The tray makes a nice snug fit > in the adapter so it won't fall out. Bill also sells the 2nd HDD Adapters > and all kinds of drives too. > > -Mike From cph Tue Jul 11 16:10:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA01210 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:10:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28714; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:07:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28410; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:07:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28397; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:06:58 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-370.gate.net [199.227.173.116]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA39592; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:06:38 -0400 Message-ID: <396B7E64.D6546A3@gate.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:07:00 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Daum CC: Michael Geary , Donald MacQueen , "Robert D. Baron" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Upgrade HD Q's: TP600 References: <396B5BF3.6D7545FF@teleport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: toshiba drives are generally quieter than the IBM drives.. the IBM drives being prone to spindle noise more so than some other manufacturers.. that having been said.. :-) i have a couple of toshiba 18gig drives i will sell on a special.. but before anyone jumps, the IBM 30gig drives are shipping and i should get some wednesday.. then i'll test one on my 770Z and A20p.. Bryan Daum wrote: > My 600 being new I haven't thought too much about additional drives but I recall > a recent thread that a toshiba drive was quieter....I have no idea whether the > thread was about a 600 compatible drive but I recall thinking that at drive > replacement time I would look into this. > > Bryan > > Michael Geary wrote: > > > > > How do I go about moving the contents of my old hard drive to the new > > > > one? > > > > > > I moved my stuff from a 560 to my 600 by buying a tp to ide connector > > > at my local computer shop. THis lets you plug in your original drive, > > > which you have carefully removed, into a desktop machine. I then > > > used DriveCopy to make a disk image onto a desktop drive. Then I used > > > DC to copy from there to my new tp drive using the connector, and > > > reinstalled both tp drives. > > > > That works fine, but you don't need to use a desktop machine when you have a > > TP600. All you need is the UltraslimBay 2nd HDD Adapter--one of the most > > useful gadgets you can get for a 600. Then you can use DriveCopy or Ghost or > > whatever you like, right on the 600 itself. > > > > It's also a good idea to get an extra TP600 drive mounting tray from Bill > > Morrow (www.thinkpads.com). You can get by without it--a bare drive will fit > > in the 2nd HDD Adapter--but it's a loose fit. The tray makes a nice snug fit > > in the adapter so it won't fall out. Bill also sells the 2nd HDD Adapters > > and all kinds of drives too. > > > > -Mike -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Jul 11 16:18:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA01265 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:18:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29523; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:18:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:15:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29214; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:15:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29197; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.109 -> pilot009.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:15:07 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cc313-pc-17.cl.msu.edu [35.8.4.137]) by pilot009.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA51964 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:15:07 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000711161412.022b4c90@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:15:08 -0400 To: thINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Upgrade HD Q's: TP600 In-Reply-To: <396B7E64.D6546A3@gate.net> References: <396B5BF3.6D7545FF@teleport.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: WOW! You are the *first* source I've heard for the 30G disks. How much for the 30 and 32G disks?? --STeve Andre' At 04:07 PM 7/11/00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >toshiba drives are generally quieter than the IBM drives.. >the IBM drives being prone to spindle noise more so than some other >manufacturers.. > >that having been said.. :-) >i have a couple of toshiba 18gig drives i will sell on a special.. >but before anyone jumps, the IBM 30gig drives are shipping and i should >get some >wednesday.. >then i'll test one on my 770Z and A20p.. > >Bryan Daum wrote: > > > My 600 being new I haven't thought too much about additional drives but > I recall > > a recent thread that a toshiba drive was quieter....I have no idea > whether the > > thread was about a 600 compatible drive but I recall thinking that at drive > > replacement time I would look into this. > > > > Bryan > > > > Michael Geary wrote: > > > > > > > How do I go about moving the contents of my old hard drive to the new > > > > > one? > > > > > > > > I moved my stuff from a 560 to my 600 by buying a tp to ide connector > > > > at my local computer shop. THis lets you plug in your original drive, > > > > which you have carefully removed, into a desktop machine. I then > > > > used DriveCopy to make a disk image onto a desktop drive. Then I used > > > > DC to copy from there to my new tp drive using the connector, and > > > > reinstalled both tp drives. > > > > > > That works fine, but you don't need to use a desktop machine when you > have a > > > TP600. All you need is the UltraslimBay 2nd HDD Adapter--one of the most > > > useful gadgets you can get for a 600. Then you can use DriveCopy or > Ghost or > > > whatever you like, right on the 600 itself. > > > > > > It's also a good idea to get an extra TP600 drive mounting tray from Bill > > > Morrow (www.thinkpads.com). You can get by without it--a bare drive > will fit > > > in the 2nd HDD Adapter--but it's a loose fit. The tray makes a nice > snug fit > > > in the adapter so it won't fall out. Bill also sells the 2nd HDD Adapters > > > and all kinds of drives too. > > > > > > -Mike > >-- >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Jul 11 16:56:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA01474 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:56:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02744; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:53:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02377; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02363; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.cisco.com (171.68.225.9 -> mailman.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 16:53:07 -0400 Received: from tricent (ssh.cisco.com [171.69.10.34]) by mailman.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA12189 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:53:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tony Rice" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: 600E Bios Config? Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 13:53:00 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: How do you get into a TP 600E's Bios? I've tried F1 & F10 with both Alt & Ctrl on boot up without success. From cph Tue Jul 11 22:27:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA03371 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:27:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21418; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:24:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21186; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21173; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (24.4.0.67 -> ha2.rdc1.tx.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 22:24:10 -0400 Received: from concentric.net ([24.6.24.98]) by lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.02.00 201-229-116) with ESMTP id <20000712022411.VBPU13510.lh2.rdc1.tx.home.com@concentric.net>; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 19:24:11 -0700 Message-ID: <396BD6C8.CB1B5F04@concentric.net> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 21:24:09 -0500 From: "Robert D. Baron" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Geary CC: Donald MacQueen , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Upgrade HD Q's: TP600 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > > > How do I go about moving the contents of my old hard drive to the new > > > one? > All you need is the UltraslimBay 2nd HDD Adapter--one of the most > useful gadgets you can get for a 600. Then you can use DriveCopy or Ghost or > whatever you like, right on the 600 itself. > So what you are saying, is that I can put the new drive into the UltraSlimBay, use DriveCopy or Ghost to copy the contents of the existing Hard Drive to the new drive, then remove the existing drive, put the new drive in its place, and all will work fine and I'll have all this new space? (I need to keep the UltraSlimBay open for my VST Tech Zip drive....) From cph Tue Jul 11 23:19:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA03616 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:19:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24029; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:19:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:16:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23829; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:16:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23816; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:16:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (192.160.13.1 -> bolero.rahul.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:16:40 -0400 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA24586 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:16:40 -0700 Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by bolero.rahul.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6571697004 for ; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 24570 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2000 03:16:38 -0000 Received: from m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com (HELO NewPad) (198.144.205.90) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2000 03:16:38 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Robert D. Baron" Cc: Subject: RE: Upgrade HD Q's: TP600 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:16:39 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <396BD6C8.CB1B5F04@concentric.net> Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > So what you are saying, is that I can put the new drive into the > UltraSlimBay, use DriveCopy or Ghost to copy the contents of the > existing Hard Drive to the new drive, then remove the existing drive, > put the new drive in its place, and all will work fine and I'll have all > this new space? > > (I need to keep the UltraSlimBay open for my VST Tech Zip drive....) You got it exactly right. Well, let's say all *should* work fine. I've had the best luck with Ghost lately. I had trouble copying a Windows 2000 drive with DriveCopy and Partition Magic--they would copy the data but the disk wouldn't boot. So I got Ghost and it's been working 100% for me, and it's faster too. -Mike From cph Wed Jul 12 01:30:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA04354 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:30:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28777; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:26:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28394; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28379; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:26:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:26:29 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-311.gate.net [199.227.131.120]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA102020; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:26:28 -0400 Message-ID: <396BFE70.58CABE7@gate.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:13:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: burean CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: removing memory References: <0b3e05211170870CPIMSSMTPU03@email.msn.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Brad... unscrew the little memory door on the bottom and spread the two clips that hold the DIMM in place.. it should "pop" up to about a 20 degree angle.. then just pull it out.. :-) burean wrote: > How the heck do you get the memory chip out of the > 560? Got a 32 meg chip sold that I need to remove. > > Thanks -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed Jul 12 01:31:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA04362 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:31:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28924; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:31:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:28:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28527; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28514; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:28:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:28:32 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-311.gate.net [199.227.131.120]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA61914; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:28:30 -0400 Message-ID: <396C0214.7BF79620@gate.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 01:28:52 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tony Rice CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: 600E Bios Config? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: hold the F1 key down whiole you power the machine on.. keep holding it down until the memory count has appeared in the upper left corner of the display.. Tony Rice wrote: > How do you get into a TP 600E's Bios? I've tried F1 & F10 with both Alt & > Ctrl on boot up without success. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed Jul 12 06:35:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA05588 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:35:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA13401; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:30:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12794; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12768; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:30:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 26729 invoked by uid 66); 12 Jul 2000 10:31:20 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Wed Jul 12 10:31:20 2000 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id 71441ECD6; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:33:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: OpenLinux on T20 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu References: <000501bfdfb4$833d6750$1000a8c0@cschumann> <39580626.5E1F4ACF@theriver.com> Organization: X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Message-Id: <20000712093324.71441ECD6@seneca.muc.de> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:33:24 +0200 (CEST) Sender: hm@seneca.muc.de List-Unsubscribe: James Mckenzie wrote: > However, if we bought a few of these, maybe IBM would realize that there > is a real Linux market and give those of use with MWave modems and > soundcards "drivers" for them. AFAIK IBM is still dealing with 3rd party rights on the MWave code. It's not that they won't, it's that they currently _can't_. -- Klein bottle for sale ... inquire within. From cph Wed Jul 12 06:35:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA05592 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:35:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA13469; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:30:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12788; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA12767; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from slarti.muc.de (193.149.48.10 -> slarti.muc.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 06:30:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 26720 invoked by uid 66); 12 Jul 2000 10:31:19 -0000 Received: from seneca by slarti with UUCP; Wed Jul 12 10:31:19 2000 -0000 Received: by seneca.muc.de (Postfix, from userid 0) id 4D1A0ECD6; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:31:27 +0200 (CEST) From: Harald Milz Subject: Re: linux and A20Ps To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu References: Organization: X-Pgp-Public-Key: http://www.muc.de/~hm/pgp.asc or finger hm [at] muc.de X-Nospam: I do not want to receive unsolicited advertising! X-Reply-To: Replies to the From address will go to /dev/null. Use Reply-To. X-no-archive: yes Reply-To: h.milz@seneca.muc.de Message-Id: <20000712093127.4D1A0ECD6@seneca.muc.de> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:31:27 +0200 (CEST) Sender: hm@seneca.muc.de List-Unsubscribe: Michelle Klein-Hass wrote: >>"IBM to sell laptops with Linux OS" >>http://www.sjmercury.com/svtech/news/breaking/ap/docs/86226l.htm > The distribution that IBM will be using is Caldera OpenLinux eDesktop 2.4. Right but IBM does not provide own X servers etc but takes what it gets >from XFree86.org, like Caldera. If there's an X server for newer models, XFree86.org will come up with it, possibly with the help of Precision Insight, Inc., and SuSE are likely to provide binary packages first - the VP of XFree86.org is the SuSE CTO after all ... -- YOW!! Everybody out of the GENETIC POOL!" From cph Wed Jul 12 07:40:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA05780 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:40:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16602; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:35:40 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16045; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:35:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:35:39 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id HAA08140 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 07:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web213.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24343; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web213.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.113 -> web213.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 11 Jul 2000 23:24:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 5027 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2000 03:24:57 -0000 Message-ID: <20000712032457.5026.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [209.76.55.205] by web213.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:24:57 PDT Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2000 20:24:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Pencetera Reply-To: pencetera@yahoo.com Subject: Dim display on a 770 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id HAA16602 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id HAA05781 Hi Everyone, The display on my 770 (13.3" XGA) has gotten rather dim lately. Is this a problem with the backlighting or something different? I'd like to get it back bright like it used to be. Thanks, Mike B. ===== http://www.pencetera.com - "For those who want to do things write" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Wed Jul 12 12:26:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07862 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:26:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06520; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:26:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:24:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06261; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:24:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06239; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.2 -> mail.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:24:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 88376 invoked by alias); 12 Jul 2000 16:24:02 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 88297 invoked by uid 0); 12 Jul 2000 16:24:00 -0000 Received: from dialupe207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (207.225.144.207) by mail.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 12 Jul 2000 16:24:00 -0000 Message-ID: <005b01bfec1d$bbf5fb50$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: , "Bryan Daum" Cc: "Michael Geary" , "Donald MacQueen" , "Robert D. Baron" , References: <396B7E64.D6546A3@gate.net> Subject: Re: Upgrade HD Q's: TP600 (and TP in general) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:25:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Do the Toshiba drives have the same password protection the orginial drives have? Come to think of it, do other IBM drives like the TravelStar have this capability? I have a big concern about my laptop being stolen and the drive being read. I'm confident reading the original IBM drive with a password will not be easy, even if the machine is sold for parts. If the Toshiba drives can do that too, then I have more upgrade options to be comforatble about. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Morrow To: Bryan Daum Cc: Michael Geary ; Donald MacQueen ; Robert D. Baron ; Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2000 3:07 PM Subject: Re: Upgrade HD Q's: TP600 > toshiba drives are generally quieter than the IBM drives.. > the IBM drives being prone to spindle noise more so than some other manufacturers.. > > that having been said.. :-) > i have a couple of toshiba 18gig drives i will sell on a special.. > but before anyone jumps, the IBM 30gig drives are shipping and i should get some > wednesday.. > then i'll test one on my 770Z and A20p.. From cph Wed Jul 12 13:26:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08457 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:26:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12107; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:22:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11762; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11702; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (216.70.64.26 -> mrs-2-fix.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:22:36 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (2Cust46.tnt28.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.27.210.174]) by mrs-2.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA25329 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:22:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396CA818.FC8B90FF@mail.orion.org> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 12:17:12 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 760C memory "problem" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I just received a ThinkPad 760C that I bought for parts on Ebay, supposedly DOA, but turns out it seems to work fine. However, it has one strange issue... there is no DIMM card, so the computer thinks it only has 4MB, although the BIOS says there is 8MB installed. My 760L does not have this "problem". Only thing I can think of, is that maybe the Mwave DSP is reserving 4MB to itself, but I didn't get any manuals with this laptop so I don't know if that's normal or not. Anyone know for sure? Thanks. Shawn From cph Wed Jul 12 13:36:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08575 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:36:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13138; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:36:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:34:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12936; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:34:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12922; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (216.100.248.113 -> adsl-216-100-248-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:34:12 -0400 Received: (from bandy@localhost) by cinnamon.com (8.10.2/8.6.12) id e6CHZx214973 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:35:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Andy Beals Message-Id: <200007121735.e6CHZx214973@cinnamon.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 730t and palm pilot? List-Unsubscribe: I've tried to get my palm pilot syncing to my 730t ... no luck. Every time I install the s/w, it kills the pen interface. Every time I try to fire up hotsync, it kills the pen. I've changed the serial port from com1 to com2. No luck. Still hangs the pen - had to plug in a keyboard [yuck!] to rescue myself. Has anyone else been able to do this successfully? thanks andy ps. If you have a 730te you'd like to sell.... From cph Wed Jul 12 13:45:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA08654 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:45:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14056; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:43:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13850; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13837; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cinnamon.com (216.100.248.113 -> adsl-216-100-248-113.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 13:43:10 -0400 Received: from cinnamon.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cinnamon.com (8.10.2/8.6.12) with ESMTP id e6CHiZA15082; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007121744.e6CHiZA15082@cinnamon.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.0 09/18/1999 To: "Paul Khoury" cc: "Bmwm61@aol.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 730T Games In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:07:41 PDT." <200006282107.OAA24546@gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:44:34 -0700 From: Andy Beals List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:07:41 -0700, "Paul Khoury" wrote: > On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:56:17 EDT, Bmwm61@aol.com wrote: > > >How can I configure my 730T to run games that require a color monitor? Some > >work without a problem, e.g. Chessmaster 4000, but others refuse to load and > >I don't know what the difference is. > > Jim - you need to set this in the BIOS. > There is an option in Easy Setup to have it act as if it's using a color or > mono monitor. > > To enter setup, upon powering up, touch the stylus on the suspend button, > and keep the power button depressed until you see the IBM copyright notice. There's also the issue of color depth. Some games will play ONLY in 256-color mode. You can set your lcd to this, but I think it's faked in the driver. It does, however, seem as if the external display has an 8-bit depth when you do this. andy From cph Wed Jul 12 14:17:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08965 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:17:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17470; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:16:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:15:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17274; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:15:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17261; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:15:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (24.2.8.66 -> ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:15:17 -0400 Received: from cx792194b ([24.1.143.198]) by mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000712181519.FRDD8031.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx792194b> for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:15:19 -0700 Message-ID: <004101bfec2d$4789cd40$c68f0118@msnv1.occa.home.com> From: "Joe Strauss" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: TP770 - Win98 to Win95 Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:16:19 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: The person who owned my TP before me changed it from Win95 to Win98. I now want to change it back to Win95. I was under the impression that I could to this with the "Product Recovery CD-ROM" that I have. I am having no luck with this. I changed the boot up sequence, but that did not work either. What do I need to do to revert back to Win95 (please be specific)? Thanks. From cph Wed Jul 12 14:53:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA09283 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:53:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21462; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:48:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20885; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web108.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20656; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web108.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.75 -> web108.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 14:47:30 -0400 Received: (qmail 21047 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Jul 2000 18:47:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000712184731.21046.qmail@web108.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web108.yahoomail.com; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:47:31 PDT Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 11:47:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: TP770 - Win98 to Win95 To: Joe Strauss Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA21462 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA09284 Delete Win98 by removing the \Windows directory and reinstall from the Windows 95 CD. Before deleting Win98, put in the Win95 CD and copy the \win95 folder from the CD to the hard drive. Then run Setup from the hard drive to install it. --- Joe Strauss wrote: > The person who owned my TP before me changed it > from Win95 to Win98. I now > want to change it back to Win95. I was under the > impression that I could to > this with the "Product Recovery CD-ROM" that I have. > I am having no luck > with this. I changed the boot up sequence, but that > did not work either. > What do I need to do to revert back to Win95 (please > be specific)? > > Thanks. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Wed Jul 12 18:51:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA11191 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:51:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09836; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:49:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09391; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09378; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (199.224.64.57 -> bean.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:49:08 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp110.epix.net [199.224.125.110]) by bean.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000052301/PL) with SMTP id e6CMn7C16292 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007122249.e6CMn7C16292@bean.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 18:46:26 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zf/19zf List-Unsubscribe: Any comparisons would be much appreciated - they seem to be about comparable in price for 64 meg/10 to 12 gig machines in the 366 to 500 mhz range. I'm more interested in look and feel and ruggedness than raw processor speed (anything is going to be blindingly fast after the 755CE !!!!). -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- Windows95 -- Pandora's Box of the 90's. From cph Wed Jul 12 20:28:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA11711 for ; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:28:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15325; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:28:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:26:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15120; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15105; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:26:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 12 Jul 2000 20:26:17 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (206-97-58-187.ip.theriver.com [206.97.58.187]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA47725D3A; Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:26:08 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <396D0D7E.1A9BFDCC@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2000 17:29:50 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: penzance@gate.net Cc: Tony Rice , Thinkpad Subject: Re: 600E Bios Config? References: <396C0214.7BF79620@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill Morrow wrote: > hold the F1 key down whiole you power the machine on.. > keep holding it down until the memory count has appeared in the upper left > corner of the display.. > > Tony Rice wrote: > > > How do you get into a TP 600E's Bios? I've tried F1 & F10 with both Alt & > > Ctrl on boot up without success. > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net I hold down the F1 key until the screen with all of the "Thinkpads" on it appears. Sometimes the EZ config utility will "miss" if you stop after the memory count appears. James Mckenzie From cph Thu Jul 13 00:43:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA12894 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:43:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27949; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:40:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27748; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27735; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:40:05 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-2.gate.net [207.36.212.2]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA19422; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:39:52 -0400 Message-ID: <396D482E.5B85B250@gate.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:40:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pencetera@yahoo.com CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Dim display on a 770 References: <20000712032457.5026.qmail@web213.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id AAA27949 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id AAA12895 Mike.. i hope that there is some remaining warranty on that machine.. its sure to be a problem with the backlight or the high voltage power supply or the inverter or the like.. something for easy serve.. Pencetera wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > The display on my 770 (13.3" XGA) has gotten rather > dim lately. Is this a problem with the backlighting or > something different? I'd like to get it back bright > like it used to be. > > Thanks, > Mike B. > > ===== > http://www.pencetera.com - "For those who want to do things write" > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Jul 13 00:47:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA12900 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:47:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28686; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:44:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28102; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28089; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:44:26 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-2.gate.net [207.36.212.2]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA18734; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:44:27 -0400 Message-ID: <396D4941.E21679C3@gate.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:44:49 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Thomas CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input References: <200007122249.e6CMn7C16292@bean.epix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Julian.. the 600E and 600X are terrific thinkpads.. IBM sold over 2 million of the things.. that many thinkpad users can't be wrong.. FWIW, if it were me, i would go for the T series over the 600 for the newer technology and perhaps a larger display.. also consider warranty.. a used 600E might have less warranty than a new T series.. Julian Thomas wrote: > Any comparisons would be much appreciated - they seem to be about > comparable in price for 64 meg/10 to 12 gig machines in the 366 to 500 mhz > range. I'm more interested in look and feel and ruggedness than raw > processor speed (anything is going to be blindingly fast after the 755CE > !!!!). > > > -- > Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt > In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! > Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc > http://www.possi.org > -- -- > Windows95 -- Pandora's Box of the 90's. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Jul 13 00:56:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA12973 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:56:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29262; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:56:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:55:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29131; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA29118; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:55:04 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-170.gate.net [199.227.20.233]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA46720; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:55:03 -0400 Message-ID: <396D4BBD.8EE28150@gate.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:55:26 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Thomas CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input References: <200007122249.e6CMn7C16292@bean.epix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: also to consider is resale value.. the T series ll have more than the 600E.. Julian Thomas wrote: > Any comparisons would be much appreciated - they seem to be about > comparable in price for 64 meg/10 to 12 gig machines in the 366 to 500 mhz > range. I'm more interested in look and feel and ruggedness than raw > processor speed (anything is going to be blindingly fast after the 755CE > !!!!). > > > -- > Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt > In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! > Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc > http://www.possi.org > -- -- > Windows95 -- Pandora's Box of the 90's. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Jul 13 06:40:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA14404 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:40:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14368; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:35:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14034; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14012; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (192.189.54.17 -> yarrina.connect.com.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:35:19 -0400 Received: from snapper3 (acc10-ppp14.mel.roaming.connect.com.au [210.9.209.14]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D24611514 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:35:19 +1000 (EST) From: "Will Lau" To: Subject: 600x and FDD Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:36:02 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: I've just noticed recently my system shows up 2 floppy drives A: B: Up to recently only A: was available. Is it because: [1] A: is the external and B: is when I slot it in the slimbay? [2] I foolishly pulled out the slimbay cartridge and later slotted in the FDD into the slimbay without disabling the bay first? [3] something funny happening in Win2000 -Will From cph Thu Jul 13 06:40:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA14410 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:40:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14372; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:35:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14033; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA14002; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (192.189.54.17 -> yarrina.connect.com.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:35:17 -0400 Received: from snapper3 (acc10-ppp14.mel.roaming.connect.com.au [210.9.209.14]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 6337C11511 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:35:17 +1000 (EST) From: "Will Lau" To: Subject: RE: WorkPads -- are they useful? Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 20:36:00 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <39681FCB.38929ED@uswest.net> List-Unsubscribe: TP600x - PalmVx user here. I once used a Palm for 6 months straight averaging 4 hrs per day as my only computer (I was travelling). The answer has to be YES. They a damn right useful. When I travel now, even if I take a laptop, I need to take the PDA. It's a lot easier to jot down a note, write email, etc on a Palm than booting up a Laptop. Especially in places like... a cafe, the bus stop, on the subway, in a airport departure lounge. Oh and if anyone says you can't graffiti fast enough to write on a Palm - try the FITALY keypad. Most people can get 40-50 words per minute after a bit of practice. I think the record is 75wpm+ From cph Thu Jul 13 07:23:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA14533 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:23:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA16097; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:20:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15887; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15874; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (204.60.6.55 -> smtp.snet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:20:47 -0400 Received: from snet.net (nrwc-sh1-port21.snet.net [204.60.28.21]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with ESMTP id HAA08320 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396DA60D.60B18F3F@snet.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 07:20:45 -0400 From: Marc Swanson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: 760CD processor card upgrade---? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello all, I will soon have a TP 760CD--Pentium 90 model. I have seen in my auction site travels a Pentium 120 processor card that supposedly will work with the -760CD (I guess it replaces the P90 onboard?). My question is--is this a doable upgrade? Can the average TP user do this himself? I glanced at the tech manual for the 760CD, and it looks possible, but what are the ramifications, if any? Does anything need to be reset after it's done? For the record, the IBM part # for this card is 29H9297. Thanks, Marc S. From cph Thu Jul 13 08:41:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA14831 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:41:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20439; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:40:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:37:29 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20152; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:37:28 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id IAA29712 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web204.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03846; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web204.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.104 -> web204.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 03:00:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 2042 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Jul 2000 07:00:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000713070010.2041.qmail@web204.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.205.197.165] by web204.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:00:10 PDT Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 00:00:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Pencetera Reply-To: pencetera@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Dim display on a 770 To: penzance@gate.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA20439 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA14832 Hi Bill, Yes, just got off the phone with IBM. They are sending out a call tag via airborne for it tomorrow. Thanks for the help. Cheers, Mike B. --- Bill Morrow wrote: > Mike.. > > i hope that there is some remaining warranty on that > machine.. > its sure to be a problem with the backlight or the > high voltage power > supply or the inverter or the like.. > something for easy serve.. > > Pencetera wrote: > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > The display on my 770 (13.3" XGA) has gotten > rather > > dim lately. Is this a problem with the > backlighting or > > something different? I'd like to get it back > bright > > like it used to be. > > > > Thanks, > > Mike B. > > > > ===== > > http://www.pencetera.com - "For those who want to > do things write" > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get Yahoo! 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Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Jul 13 09:00:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA14946 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:00:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21985; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:57:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21500; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA21487; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:57:18 -0400 Received: from accumedia.com (houdini.accumedia.com [172.16.130.2]) by server.accumedia.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6DChg911860; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:43:42 -0600 Thread-Topic: 600x and FDD X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 Thread-Index: Ab/stfCZwBwx6p0jRYqLu+O0K0bm2AAE1NEw content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Will Lau" , Subject: RE: 600x and FDD Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 06:55:21 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A12DFBE@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA14947 It's [2]. Win2k assigns information by location, and the slimbay is a different location than the jack on the back, so it thinks you may have two. I *think* that this also happens if you put a PC Card in a different slot (but I could be wrong about that, that might have been Win98). ssh -----Original Message----- From: Will Lau [mailto:contact@snappersolutions.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 04:36 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600x and FDD I've just noticed recently my system shows up 2 floppy drives A: B: Up to recently only A: was available. Is it because: [1] A: is the external and B: is when I slot it in the slimbay? [2] I foolishly pulled out the slimbay cartridge and later slotted in the FDD into the slimbay without disabling the bay first? [3] something funny happening in Win2000 -Will From cph Thu Jul 13 09:20:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA15074 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:20:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24000; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:17:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23662; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23648; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:17:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:17:50 -0400 Received: by porkchop.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:23:16 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'Will Lau'" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: 600x and FDD Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 08:23:05 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFECCD.803F570E" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFECCD.803F570E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I believe this is a feature of Windows 2000. By giving the external floppy connector a drive letter, you can hot plug it and it immediately is available. So, in essence, Windows 2000 always believes the external floppy is connected. So when you put the floppy in the ultraslimbay, to Win 2000 thinks its the second floppy, so it gives it B:. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Will Lau [mailto:contact@snappersolutions.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:36 AM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600x and FDD I've just noticed recently my system shows up 2 floppy drives A: B: Up to recently only A: was available. Is it because: [1] A: is the external and B: is when I slot it in the slimbay? [2] I foolishly pulled out the slimbay cartridge and later slotted in the FDD into the slimbay without disabling the bay first? [3] something funny happening in Win2000 -Will ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFECCD.803F570E Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: 600x and FDD

I believe this is a feature of Windows 2000.

By giving the external floppy connector a drive = letter, you can hot plug it and it immediately is available. So, in = essence, Windows 2000 always believes the external floppy is = connected.

So when you put the floppy in the ultraslimbay, to = Win 2000 thinks its the second floppy, so it gives it B:.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Lau [mailto:contact@snappersolut= ions.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:36 AM
To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Subject: 600x and FDD


I've just noticed recently my system shows up 2 = floppy drives

A:
B:

Up to recently only A: was available.

Is it because:

[1] A: is the external and B: is when I slot it in = the slimbay?
[2] I foolishly pulled out the slimbay cartridge and = later slotted in the
FDD into the slimbay without disabling the bay = first?
[3] something funny happening in Win2000

-Will

------_=_NextPart_001_01BFECCD.803F570E-- From cph Thu Jul 13 11:12:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA15750 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:12:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03274; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:10:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02836; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02787; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (199.224.64.57 -> bean.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:10:14 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp102.epix.net [199.224.125.102]) by bean.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000052301/PL) with SMTP id e6DFAGs18590 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007131510.e6DFAGs18590@bean.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:10:07 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <396D4941.E21679C3@gate.net> Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zf/19zf List-Unsubscribe: In <396D4941.E21679C3@gate.net>, on 07/13/00 at 12:44 AM, Bill Morrow typed: >FWIW, if it were me, i would go for the T series over the 600 for the >newer technology and perhaps a larger display.. >also consider warranty.. a used 600E might have less warranty than a new >T series.. I was looking at a new 600e (with 3 yr warranty) vs a new A20m - one year warranty. I agree the A20 in the model I want has a larger display (and might be slightly faster); I guess the convenience of not having to fiddle with an external diskette drive (or swap it with the CD) is worth something also. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- Windows95 -- Pandora's Box of the 90's. From cph Thu Jul 13 11:57:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA16126 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:57:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06793; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:56:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06635; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06621; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:56:12 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-6.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.159]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA82858; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:53:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Greg Langham" , "'Will Lau'" , Subject: RE: 600x and FDD Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:04:43 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Thinkpads reserve the A: drive for the _internal_ floppy drive solely. If you attach your floppy with any of the external options, it will be assigned the B: drive designation _regardless_ of whether or not the internal floppy is installed. Regards, James -----Original Message----- From: Greg Langham [mailto:greg@psnet.net] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:23 AM To: 'Will Lau'; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: 600x and FDD I believe this is a feature of Windows 2000. By giving the external floppy connector a drive letter, you can hot plug it and it immediately is available. So, in essence, Windows 2000 always believes the external floppy is connected. So when you put the floppy in the ultraslimbay, to Win 2000 thinks its the second floppy, so it gives it B:. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Will Lau [mailto:contact@snappersolutions.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:36 AM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600x and FDD I've just noticed recently my system shows up 2 floppy drives A: B: Up to recently only A: was available. Is it because: [1] A: is the external and B: is when I slot it in the slimbay? [2] I foolishly pulled out the slimbay cartridge and later slotted in the FDD into the slimbay without disabling the bay first? [3] something funny happening in Win2000 -Will From cph Thu Jul 13 12:42:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA16479 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:42:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10810; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:39:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10493; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10474; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:39:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:39:27 -0400 Received: by porkchop.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:44:53 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: 600x and FDD Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 11:44:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BFECE9.AB1FCC8A" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFECE9.AB1FCC8A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" James, You are right; I had the letters reversed. It's actually a neat feature if you ask me. Greg -----Original Message----- From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 12:05 PM To: Greg Langham; 'Will Lau'; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: 600x and FDD Thinkpads reserve the A: drive for the _internal_ floppy drive solely. If you attach your floppy with any of the external options, it will be assigned the B: drive designation _regardless_ of whether or not the internal floppy is installed. Regards, James -----Original Message----- From: Greg Langham [mailto:greg@psnet.net] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:23 AM To: 'Will Lau'; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: 600x and FDD I believe this is a feature of Windows 2000. By giving the external floppy connector a drive letter, you can hot plug it and it immediately is available. So, in essence, Windows 2000 always believes the external floppy is connected. So when you put the floppy in the ultraslimbay, to Win 2000 thinks its the second floppy, so it gives it B:. Greg -----Original Message----- From: Will Lau [mailto:contact@snappersolutions.com] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:36 AM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 600x and FDD I've just noticed recently my system shows up 2 floppy drives A: B: Up to recently only A: was available. Is it because: [1] A: is the external and B: is when I slot it in the slimbay? [2] I foolishly pulled out the slimbay cartridge and later slotted in the FDD into the slimbay without disabling the bay first? [3] something funny happening in Win2000 -Will ------_=_NextPart_001_01BFECE9.AB1FCC8A Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" RE: 600x and FDD

James,

You are right; I had the letters reversed. It's actually a neat feature if you ask me.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 12:05 PM
To: Greg Langham; 'Will Lau'; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Subject: RE: 600x and FDD


Thinkpads reserve the A: drive for the _internal_ floppy drive solely. If you
attach your floppy with any of the external options, it will be assigned the B:
drive designation _regardless_ of whether or not the internal floppy is
installed.

Regards,

James

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Langham [mailto:greg@psnet.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:23 AM
To: 'Will Lau'; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Subject: RE: 600x and FDD


I believe this is a feature of Windows 2000.
By giving the external floppy connector a drive letter, you can hot plug it and
it immediately is available. So, in essence, Windows 2000 always believes the
external floppy is connected.
So when you put the floppy in the ultraslimbay, to Win 2000 thinks its the
second floppy, so it gives it B:.
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: Will Lau [mailto:contact@snappersolutions.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:36 AM
To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Subject: 600x and FDD


I've just noticed recently my system shows up 2 floppy drives
A:
B:
Up to recently only A: was available.
Is it because:
[1] A: is the external and B: is when I slot it in the slimbay?
[2] I foolishly pulled out the slimbay cartridge and later slotted in the
FDD into the slimbay without disabling the bay first?
[3] something funny happening in Win2000
-Will

------_=_NextPart_001_01BFECE9.AB1FCC8A-- From cph Thu Jul 13 12:44:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA16504 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:44:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11428; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:42:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11006; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:42:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10966; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:42:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:42:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA31689; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:44:11 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:44:11 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com To: Julian Thomas cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input In-Reply-To: <200007131510.e6DFAGs18590@bean.epix.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 13 Jul 2000, Julian Thomas wrote: > I was looking at a new 600e (with 3 yr warranty) vs a new A20m - one year > warranty. I agree the A20 in the model I want has a larger display (and > might be slightly faster); I guess the convenience of not having to fiddle > with an external diskette drive (or swap it with the CD) is worth > something also. Just one more personal opinion, but I used to own a laptop that required me to swap out the CD for the floppy drive. Then I switched to my current TP380z which has "triple-spindle" (HD, CD & floppy all at the same time). I would **NEVER** consider going back to a laptop that doesn't offer all three drives at the same time, EVER!!! There are certain things I wanted to do (like install OS/2) that required the CD and Floppy be available at the same time. You just couldn't do it if you had to swap back and forth. -- David Goldman From cph Thu Jul 13 12:46:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA16514 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:46:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11949; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:46:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:44:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11333; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11284; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-0.ziplink.net (206.15.168.49 -> relay-0.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:44:15 -0400 Received: from dallas (quincy-ip-14-64.dynamic.ziplink.net [209.206.1.64]) by relay-0.ziplink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA28695 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:44:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: 600x and FDD Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:44:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bfece9$a1cff9c0$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: To make such a blanket statement is wrong. I have a TP770ED/9549 and the floppy will show up as A: wether it is connected internally via the ultrabay or plugged in via the external floppy cable. Chances are what we're seeing here is either a Nuance of the TP600X, but more likely a nuance of Windows 2000. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 1:05 PM > To: Greg Langham; 'Will Lau'; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: 600x and FDD > > > Thinkpads reserve the A: drive for the _internal_ floppy drive > solely. If you > attach your floppy with any of the external options, it will be > assigned the B: > drive designation _regardless_ of whether or not the internal floppy is > installed. > > Regards, > > James > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Langham [mailto:greg@psnet.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:23 AM > To: 'Will Lau'; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: 600x and FDD > > > I believe this is a feature of Windows 2000. > By giving the external floppy connector a drive letter, you can > hot plug it and > it immediately is available. So, in essence, Windows 2000 always > believes the > external floppy is connected. > So when you put the floppy in the ultraslimbay, to Win 2000 thinks its the > second floppy, so it gives it B:. > Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Lau [mailto:contact@snappersolutions.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:36 AM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: 600x and FDD > > > I've just noticed recently my system shows up 2 floppy drives > A: > B: > Up to recently only A: was available. > Is it because: > [1] A: is the external and B: is when I slot it in the slimbay? > [2] I foolishly pulled out the slimbay cartridge and later slotted in the > FDD into the slimbay without disabling the bay first? > [3] something funny happening in Win2000 > -Will > > From cph Thu Jul 13 12:47:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA16529 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:47:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12279; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:47:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:45:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11697; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:45:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11559; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (209.235.102.26) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:45:04 -0400 Received: from OHSUYKXRD2386K ([137.53.68.115]) by asimov.dns-host.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA26262; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:44:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01bfece9$8a0dd280$73443589@OHSUYKXRD2386K> From: "AC Brown" To: "James H. E. Maugham" , "Greg Langham" , "'Will Lau'" , References: Subject: Re: 600x and FDD Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:14:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: On my computer, a Thinkpad T20 with an external floppy running Windows 2000, the external floppy is assigned to drive A:. So it is not the case that A: is reserved for the internal floppy drive only. Arthur Brown ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Greg Langham" ; "'Will Lau'" ; Sent: 2000-07-13 Thu 10:04 Subject: RE: 600x and FDD Thinkpads reserve the A: drive for the _internal_ floppy drive solely. If you attach your floppy with any of the external options, it will be assigned the B: drive designation _regardless_ of whether or not the internal floppy is installed. Regards, James From cph Thu Jul 13 12:53:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA16605 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:53:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13556; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:53:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:52:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13310; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13297; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:52:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:52:09 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.159]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000713165212.TTT2023.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:52:12 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000713125014.01405da0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:50:14 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: 600x and FDD In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 12:04 PM 07/13/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Thinkpads reserve the A: drive for the _internal_ floppy drive solely. If you >attach your floppy with any of the external options, it will be assigned the B: >drive designation _regardless_ of whether or not the internal floppy is >installed. > FWIW, my FDD has not been in my TP600's internal bay since I took it out of the box, and it's very definitely Drive A:. Jane From cph Thu Jul 13 12:55:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA16615 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:55:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13781; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:53:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13446; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:53:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13427; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:53:25 -0400 Received: from matrix ([32.100.255.72]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <20000713165245252035v0v7e>; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 16:52:45 +0000 From: "David Lee" To: "Mike Capone" , "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: 600x and FDD Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 12:50:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <000501bfece9$a1cff9c0$1b00a8c0@dallas> List-Unsubscribe: My 600x running win98 lists the floppy drive as A: whether it is mounted in the Ultrabay or attached externally. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Capone [mailto:drgrant@ziplink.net] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 12:45 PM To: thinkpads2 Subject: RE: 600x and FDD To make such a blanket statement is wrong. I have a TP770ED/9549 and the floppy will show up as A: wether it is connected internally via the ultrabay or plugged in via the external floppy cable. Chances are what we're seeing here is either a Nuance of the TP600X, but more likely a nuance of Windows 2000. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 1:05 PM > To: Greg Langham; 'Will Lau'; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: 600x and FDD > > > Thinkpads reserve the A: drive for the _internal_ floppy drive > solely. If you > attach your floppy with any of the external options, it will be > assigned the B: > drive designation _regardless_ of whether or not the internal floppy is > installed. > > Regards, > > James > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Langham [mailto:greg@psnet.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:23 AM > To: 'Will Lau'; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: 600x and FDD > > > I believe this is a feature of Windows 2000. > By giving the external floppy connector a drive letter, you can > hot plug it and > it immediately is available. So, in essence, Windows 2000 always > believes the > external floppy is connected. > So when you put the floppy in the ultraslimbay, to Win 2000 thinks its the > second floppy, so it gives it B:. > Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Lau [mailto:contact@snappersolutions.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:36 AM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: 600x and FDD > > > I've just noticed recently my system shows up 2 floppy drives > A: > B: > Up to recently only A: was available. > Is it because: > [1] A: is the external and B: is when I slot it in the slimbay? > [2] I foolishly pulled out the slimbay cartridge and later slotted in the > FDD into the slimbay without disabling the bay first? > [3] something funny happening in Win2000 > -Will > > From cph Thu Jul 13 13:48:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA17017 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:48:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19266; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:44:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18529; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:44:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18507; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:44:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:44:53 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-6.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.159]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA88411; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:41:51 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "AC Brown" , "Greg Langham" , "'Will Lau'" , Subject: RE: 600x and FDD Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:52:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: WHOOPS!!! Got the drive letters reversed! A: is reserved for the EXTERNAL drive and vice versa! Sorry folks, brain fart! You can also check the IBM website for this at http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4LRM3F.html and you'll see: "All ThinkPads with removable floppy drives prior to A20 and T20 systems will have the internal bay floppy drive labeled "Drive B:\" and the floppy drive on the external floppy drive connector as "Drive A:\". This applies to the systems like the ThinkPad 600's, 770's, and 570's. The ThinkPad T20 system floppy drive will be "Drive A:\" whether the floppy drive is inserted into the UltraBay 2000 bay or on the external floppy drive connector. This is designed to work in this manner." Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 12:05 PM > To: Greg Langham; 'Will Lau'; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: 600x and FDD > > > Thinkpads reserve the A: drive for the _internal_ floppy drive solely. If you > attach your floppy with any of the external options, it will be > assigned the B: > drive designation _regardless_ of whether or not the internal floppy is > installed. > > Regards, > > James > > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg Langham [mailto:greg@psnet.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:23 AM > To: 'Will Lau'; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: 600x and FDD > > > I believe this is a feature of Windows 2000. > By giving the external floppy connector a drive letter, you can hot > plug it and > it immediately is available. So, in essence, Windows 2000 always believes the > external floppy is connected. > So when you put the floppy in the ultraslimbay, to Win 2000 thinks its the > second floppy, so it gives it B:. > Greg > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Lau [mailto:contact@snappersolutions.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:36 AM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: 600x and FDD > > > I've just noticed recently my system shows up 2 floppy drives > A: > B: > Up to recently only A: was available. > Is it because: > [1] A: is the external and B: is when I slot it in the slimbay? > [2] I foolishly pulled out the slimbay cartridge and later slotted in the > FDD into the slimbay without disabling the bay first? > [3] something funny happening in Win2000 > -Will > From cph Thu Jul 13 13:48:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA17021 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:48:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19253; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:43:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18398; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18378; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:43:38 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-6.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.159]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA88423; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:41:59 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Mike Capone" , "thinkpads2" Subject: RE: 600x and FDD Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:52:44 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000501bfece9$a1cff9c0$1b00a8c0@dallas> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Not according to IBM Mike. Could you perhaps be wrong? E.g., when you have the floppy installed it comes up as the B: drive? This _should_ be independent of the OS. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Capone [mailto:drgrant@ziplink.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 11:45 AM > To: thinkpads2 > Subject: RE: 600x and FDD > > > > To make such a blanket statement is wrong. I have a TP770ED/9549 > and the floppy will show up as A: wether it is connected > internally via the ultrabay or plugged in via the external > floppy cable. Chances are what we're seeing here is either > a Nuance of the TP600X, but more likely a > nuance of Windows 2000. > > -Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com] > > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 1:05 PM > > To: Greg Langham; 'Will Lau'; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: RE: 600x and FDD > > > > > > Thinkpads reserve the A: drive for the _internal_ floppy drive > > solely. If you > > attach your floppy with any of the external options, it will be > > assigned the B: > > drive designation _regardless_ of whether or not the internal floppy is > > installed. > > > > Regards, > > > > James > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Greg Langham [mailto:greg@psnet.net] > > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 8:23 AM > > To: 'Will Lau'; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: RE: 600x and FDD > > > > > > I believe this is a feature of Windows 2000. > > By giving the external floppy connector a drive letter, you can > > hot plug it and > > it immediately is available. So, in essence, Windows 2000 always > > believes the > > external floppy is connected. > > So when you put the floppy in the ultraslimbay, to Win 2000 thinks its the > > second floppy, so it gives it B:. > > Greg > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Will Lau [mailto:contact@snappersolutions.com] > > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2000 5:36 AM > > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: 600x and FDD > > > > > > I've just noticed recently my system shows up 2 floppy drives > > A: > > B: > > Up to recently only A: was available. > > Is it because: > > [1] A: is the external and B: is when I slot it in the slimbay? > > [2] I foolishly pulled out the slimbay cartridge and later slotted in the > > FDD into the slimbay without disabling the bay first? > > [3] something funny happening in Win2000 > > -Will > > > > > From cph Thu Jul 13 14:23:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17264 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:23:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22514; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:21:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22216; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:21:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22170; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (216.70.64.26 -> mrs-2-fix.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:21:18 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (2Cust46.tnt28.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.27.210.174]) by mrs-2.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA91776; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 15:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396E0827.3FD03434@mail.orion.org> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 13:19:19 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Marc Swanson CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 760CD processor card upgrade---? References: <396DA60D.60B18F3F@snet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Marc Swanson wrote: > > Hello all, > I will soon have a TP 760CD--Pentium 90 model. I have seen in my > auction site travels a Pentium 120 processor card that supposedly will > work with the -760CD (I guess it replaces the P90 onboard?). My question > is--is this a doable upgrade? Can the average TP user do this himself? > I glanced at the tech manual for the 760CD, and it looks possible, but > what are the ramifications, if any? Does anything need to be reset after > it's done? For the record, the IBM part # for this card is 29H9297. Yes, this is not a very difficult upgrade. The most difficult part is remembering which screw went where when reassembling the computer, and also remembering to put it back together in order! I've often put the computer back together and then realized that I left something out and have to take it apart again. Let me know if you need details on pulling out the 760 guts. The processor card sticks to the bottom shield via some kind of adhesive double sided tape, so you will need to remove the old one very carefully as they are thin and fragile. My TP760C which is a P120 also seems to have a different card than the picture that I've seen of one on Ebay. The card itself looks the same, but the one I've seen on Ebay has several empty spaces for chips. My card is fully populated. It might be those chips are just L2 cache and some have them and some don't, but I really don't know. I think the computer will reset by itself. Just disconnecting the keyboard clears the CMOS. BIOS is the same. Shawn From cph Thu Jul 13 14:36:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA17358 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:36:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24015; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:35:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23766; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23745; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:35:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:35:13 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME (arc3a307.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.245]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA17826 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007131835.OAA17826@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) MYHOSTNAME from arc3a307.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.245] 209.198.116.245 Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:35:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 14:35:17 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: 600x and FDD X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 (Unregistered) List-Unsubscribe: James H. E. Maugham" said: >Thinkpads reserve the A: drive for the _internal_ floppy drive solely. If you >attach your floppy with any of the external options, it will be assigned the >B: drive designation _regardless_ of whether or not the internal floppy is >installed. If you're speaking of a floppy on the cable, then I think you're seeing something that W2K is doing. Thinkpads (the 560 and 600E) running OS2 certainly don't care if the floppy is hanging off the cable or are in the bay. If there is just one it is drive A. If W2K shows an A and B drive by default, then M$ probably just borrowed another good idea. OS2 (and for all I know other OS) has always shown both drives. It makes it easier to drop and drag data to copy floppies when there is only one drive and you want use the . E.g., drag the data from A icon, drop on B icon and presto, when its ready to write to drive B, you stick the nee disk in drive A. The command line is faster, but some like to mouse around. ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Jul 13 17:46:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA18942 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:46:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09055; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:45:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:42:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08598; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:42:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08585; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:42:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (194.109.127.131 -> smtp1.xs4all.nl) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 13 Jul 2000 17:42:04 -0400 Received: from netlinq.nl (strak.xs4all.nl [194.109.240.71]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA23250 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:42:06 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <396E3874.5F1039FF@netlinq.nl> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2000 23:45:24 +0200 From: Jeroen Elfferich Organization: http://www.netlinq.nl/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: A20p troubles in Europe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I ordered my first A20p (NIC, W2K) at personalware, an IBM retailer in The Netherlands, about 7 weeks ago. They promised a two week delivery, but after three weeks of waiting they said it would be delayed until August (!). I decided to change to another supplier, they quoted me a two week delivery for an A20p without the NIC. I ordered it three weeks ago and heard today, after series of one-day delays, it was shipped back to IBM due to motherboard problems. They will send me an A20m to keep my keyboard lit up in the mean while, but still, I'm far >from happy (and due to their (lack of) service this company just missed a 50 laptop order my company is going to make later this year). I was hoping to avoid the shipping trouble other A20p purveyors have experienced... Does anyone have similar experiences in Europe? I believe these units are manufactured in Scotland. Why is the mini-PCI NIC so incredibly difficult to put in a laptop like this? They are standard components, aren't they? Cheers, Jeroen From cph Fri Jul 14 00:44:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA21129 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:44:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01774; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:41:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01548; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:41:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01533; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:41:43 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-233.gate.net [199.227.131.42]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA62816; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:41:44 -0400 Message-ID: <396E9A1E.D73C2D29@gate.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 00:42:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeroen Elfferich CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: A20p troubles in Europe References: <396E3874.5F1039FF@netlinq.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jeroen.. not wanting to self promote here, BUT, i have delivered about 18 A20p machines to customers.. maybe 20.. in germany, italy, and the USA.. in the last batch of seven i had, TWO that went unpurchased.. the volitile nature of the market for thinkpads makes it fiscally DUMB to actually own more than the one I use.. so TWO of the last SEVEN went back to my supplier and went to other buyers.. there are plenty of A20m's and T20's around, but only a few A20p's.. why..?? i have absolutely no idea.. also i have absolutely no idea why the combo card A20p is so difficult to get, yet available in the T series.. also, there are NO combo cards available, yet, as an upgrade.. Jeroen Elfferich wrote: > Hi, > > I ordered my first A20p (NIC, W2K) at personalware, an IBM > retailer in The Netherlands, about 7 weeks ago. They promised > a two week delivery, but after three weeks of waiting they said > it would be delayed until August (!). I decided to change to > another supplier, they quoted me a two week delivery for an > A20p without the NIC. I ordered it three weeks ago and heard > today, after series of one-day delays, it was shipped back to > IBM due to motherboard problems. They will send me an A20m to > keep my keyboard lit up in the mean while, but still, I'm far > from happy (and due to their (lack of) service this company > just missed a 50 laptop order my company is going to make > later this year). > > I was hoping to avoid the shipping trouble other A20p > purveyors have experienced... Does anyone have similar > experiences in Europe? I believe these units are manufactured > in Scotland. Why is the mini-PCI NIC so incredibly difficult > to put in a laptop like this? They are standard components, > aren't they? > > Cheers, > > Jeroen -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Fri Jul 14 03:33:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA21976 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:33:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08948; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:31:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08705; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08692; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (192.189.54.17 -> yarrina.connect.com.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 03:31:12 -0400 Received: from snapper3 (acc10-ppp62.mel.roaming.connect.com.au [210.9.209.62]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 8AD4210880 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:31:13 +1000 (EST) From: "Will Lau" To: Subject: RE: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 17:31:56 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: 2 spindles rock! I get the 3rd spindle plugged in externally if I need all 3 at once. -Will __ Will Lau Snapper Solutions, Web Design and Palm User Interface Specialists http://www.snappersolutions.com > -----Original Message----- > From: David Goldman [mailto:David@dgoldman.com] > Sent: Friday, 14 July 2000 2:44 AM > To: Julian Thomas > Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input > > Just one more personal opinion, but I used to own a laptop that required > me to swap out the CD for the floppy drive. Then I switched to my current > TP380z which has "triple-spindle" (HD, CD & floppy all at the same time). > > I would **NEVER** consider going back to a laptop that doesn't offer all > three drives at the same time, EVER!!! > > There are certain things I wanted to do (like install OS/2) that required > the CD and Floppy be available at the same time. You just couldn't do it > if you had to swap back and forth. > > -- > David Goldman From cph Fri Jul 14 04:52:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA22223 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:52:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13415; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:50:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13237; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA13224; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:50:44 -0400 Received: from user-38ld3lu.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld3lu.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.142.190]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA00067; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007140850.EAA00067@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "David Goldman" , "Julian Thomas" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 04:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input List-Unsubscribe: I certainly agree on the convenience of having all three perhipherals internal. But one can easily load OS/2 with floppy and a CD one of them being external. On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:44:11 -0700 (PDT), David Goldman wrote: >There are certain things I wanted to do (like install OS/2) that required >the CD and Floppy be available at the same time. You just couldn't do it >if you had to swap back and forth. From cph Fri Jul 14 10:33:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA24001 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:33:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06120; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:30:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05762; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05748; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:30:21 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA34185; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000714072752.00cd04e0@houdini.dgoldman.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:30:39 -0700 To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" From: David Goldman Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input In-Reply-To: <200007140850.EAA00067@smtp6.mindspring.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I agree 100% with Allan's comment, *IF* I had been able to configure one of the devices externally. If you read my message carefully, I stated that OS/2 required BOTH AT THE SAME TIME. Unfortunately, the previous laptop was not a ThinkPad and could not run either the floppy or CD externally. And as I said, it wasn't possible if you had to switch back and forth, swapping the two drives. At 01:58 AM 7/14/2000 , Allan Ballard wrote: >I certainly agree on the convenience of having >all three perhipherals internal. But one can >easily load OS/2 with floppy and a CD one of >them being external. > >On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:44:11 -0700 (PDT), David Goldman wrote: > > >There are certain things I wanted to do (like install OS/2) that required > >the CD and Floppy be available at the same time. You just couldn't do it > >if you had to swap back and forth. From cph Fri Jul 14 10:40:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA24083 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:40:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07514; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:38:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07153; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07132; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (192.108.254.26 -> mail1.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:38:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 12077 invoked from network); 14 Jul 2000 14:38:39 -0000 Received: from i48-14-29.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.5.93) by mail1.teleport.com with SMTP; 14 Jul 2000 14:38:39 -0000 Message-ID: <396F26C6.A116884A@teleport.com> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 07:42:15 -0700 From: Bryan Daum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard CC: David Goldman , Julian Thomas , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input References: <200007140850.EAA00067@smtp6.mindspring.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My biggest concerns are the quality of the machine generally (*especially the keyboard feel*), the weight, AND the 3 year warranty. I just bought the 600e (w/ dvd!) and love it. Though I have not even seen the A20m, I would not invest in a machine with a one year warranty when a very similar machine was available for the same or less money with the three year warranty. Remember: The 600 is a first class machine. At the current prices it is a steal. Bryan Allan Ballard wrote: > I certainly agree on the convenience of having > all three perhipherals internal. But one can > easily load OS/2 with floppy and a CD one of > them being external. > > On Thu, 13 Jul 2000 09:44:11 -0700 (PDT), David Goldman wrote: > > >There are certain things I wanted to do (like install OS/2) that required > >the CD and Floppy be available at the same time. You just couldn't do it > >if you had to swap back and forth. From cph Fri Jul 14 13:03:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA25269 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:03:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20521; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:00:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20155; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 13:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20114; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.13 -> mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:59:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 17332 invoked by alias); 14 Jul 2000 17:00:00 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 17288 invoked by uid 0); 14 Jul 2000 16:59:59 -0000 Received: from dialupv120.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (209.180.31.120) by mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Jul 2000 16:59:59 -0000 Message-ID: <006701bfedb5$1829f690$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "Bryan Daum" , "Allan Ballard" Cc: "David Goldman" , "Julian Thomas" , References: <396F26C6.A116884A@teleport.com> Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 12:01:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Remember also that you can buy an A20m and immediately upgrade its warranty to three years, at least from IBM. PCConnection also sells warranty upgrades when you buy from them. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Daum To: Allan Ballard Cc: David Goldman ; Julian Thomas ; Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 9:42 AM Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input > > My biggest concerns are the quality of the machine generally (*especially the > keyboard feel*), the weight, AND the 3 year warranty. > > I just bought the 600e (w/ dvd!) and love it. Though I have not even seen the > A20m, I would not invest in a machine with a one year warranty when a very > similar machine was available for the same or less money with the three year > warranty. > > Remember: The 600 is a first class machine. At the current prices it is a > steal. > > Bryan From cph Fri Jul 14 14:57:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA26283 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:57:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01686; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:53:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01239; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01226; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:53:54 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.163] (helo=139-142-112-163.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13DAaz-0007NO-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 11:53:57 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 10:17:21 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Lines: 37 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: So does one spindle (701C) rock, and I can use it in an airplane where CD-ROM machines are verboten (or at least, reportedly, in *some* airplanes. In my recent experience, I bring out the 701 and flight attendants don't bother me. Maybe it is no longer an issue). So do zero spindle (PDA) machines rock, according to many postings here. What you get with the extra spindles can often be made up for by connecting to a LAN or installing the offending software to a HD in another computer and then transplanting it to its final recipient. As always, YMMV. There is a tradoff between spindles and weight. >2 spindles rock! I get the 3rd spindle plugged in externally if I need all 3 >at once. > >Will Lau >Snapper Solutions, >> I would **NEVER** consider going back to a laptop that doesn't offer all >> three drives at the same time, EVER!!! >> >> -- >> David Goldman > -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Fri Jul 14 15:06:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA26350 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:06:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03183; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:05:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02730; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02711; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (216.70.64.24 -> mrs-1-fix.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:05:01 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (1Cust113.tnt28.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.27.211.113]) by mrs-1.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA00603; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396F6460.7B53917E@mail.orion.org> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 14:05:04 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Berry CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jonathan Berry wrote: > > What you get with the extra spindles can often be made up for > by connecting to a LAN or installing the offending software to > a HD in another computer and then transplanting it to its final > recipient. > > As always, YMMV. There is a tradoff between spindles and > weight. Right on! I have a 1 spindle machine (TP 560X) and at only 4.1 lbs including battery, I can't complain. It's also only 1.2" thick. It's easy to carry and is my favorite. I have a 760C (2-spindle) and it's way too thick and heavy to be to my liking. I gave it to my girlfriend. Installing software is easy via network cards connected to the PC via crossover cable anyway. I have a DOS network boot disk that allows me to install Win98 off of my desktop machine. I also have wireless networking that would allow me to install software (slowly) off of my desktop machine, but at 1mbps it's more suitable for printer and internet sharing. I can't wait till 802.11b wireless cards come down in price. Shawn From cph Fri Jul 14 18:17:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA27951 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:17:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20593; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:15:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20462; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20449; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:15:44 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jax7-077.leading.net [216.199.5.77]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA00154 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:14:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396FBACA.70F2@southeast.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:13:46 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: IBM Thinkpad 510Cs Mini Color Notebook Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello All, does anyone know anything about the above laptop???? Does it have an internal floppy? Please reply ASAP!! I have a chance to buy one if I hurry. From cph Fri Jul 14 18:47:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA28144 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:47:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23657; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:46:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23379; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:46:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23361; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.106 -> pimout7-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:45:53 -0400 Received: from chuck (adsl-63-201-80-95.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.201.80.95]) by pimout7-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA252598 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:45:57 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 15:45:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 510Cs Mini Color Notebook Reply-to: chuck@ccncn.org Message-ID: <396F35A7.23801.A046F18@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <396FBACA.70F2@southeast.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: On 14 Jul 2000, at 18:13, Computer-Guru wrote: > does anyone know anything about the above laptop???? If memory serves (I had the 500 model), it's a 486/50. Don't remember the RAM. What speedy for its day. One pcmcia slot. External floppy. The 500 is the mono and the 510 the color. Came with Windows 3.1 Batteries were/are very hard to find. From cph Fri Jul 14 19:19:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA28347 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:19:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26381; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:17:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26031; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:17:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-3.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26017; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-3.smartworld.net (216.70.64.34 -> mrs-3.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:17:14 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (2Cust52.tnt28.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.27.210.180]) by mrs-3.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA52443; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 19:17:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <396F9FA5.52A82C1D@mail.orion.org> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 18:17:57 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chuck@ccncn.org CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 510Cs Mini Color Notebook References: <396F35A7.23801.A046F18@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > > On 14 Jul 2000, at 18:13, Computer-Guru wrote: > > > does anyone know anything about the above laptop???? > > If memory serves (I had the 500 model), it's a 486/50. Don't remember the RAM. What speedy for its day. One pcmcia slot. External floppy. The 500 is the mono and the 510 the color. Came with Windows 3.1 Batteries were/are very hard to find. Is there a picture of it somewhere on the web? How "mini" was it, anywhere near as small as the IBM PC110? It's apparently too old to have a picture and specs on the IBM website. Shawn From cph Fri Jul 14 22:14:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA29375 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:14:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05099; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:14:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:12:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04852; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04832; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (146.88.1.4 -> zia.aoc.nrao.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 22:12:28 -0400 Received: from uniblab (uniblab [146.88.9.146]) by zia.aoc.NRAO.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA24794 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:12:28 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001301bfee02$187613c0$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: Subject: ~OT: 600X and Palm pilot (IR stuff) Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 20:12:14 -0600 Organization: Nat'l Radio Astronomy Observatory - Socorro, NM USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Well, with all of the positive talk about PDAs (et. al.) I decided to not be left behind and I bought a TRGPro (Palm-alike). Very nice. But (and you knew this was coming) I can't get the IR HotSync'ing to work (surprise :-). When I enable checking for a device every 3 seconds, and hit the sync button on the TRGPro, the Win98 IR Monitor shows an available device trying to connect using IrCOMM, but then the connection goes down, then it comes back, then it goes down -- several times until the TRGPro finally gives up. If I don't tell the IR port to look for devices (like I think it is supposed to be set to) then nothing happens. The IR adapter is bound to the Fast IR Protocol in the Network Neighborhood. Does it need to be the Slow IR Protocol? :-) Syncing through the cradle works fine. I completely uninstalled all of the IR stuff in the device manager and reinstalled it all, but I still get this same thing. I've got the Palm Desktop 3.0.3, with the HotSync Manager 3.0.4. Thanks! Bob From cph Fri Jul 14 23:52:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA29788 for ; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:52:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09209; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:50:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09035; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09022; Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (192.189.54.17 -> yarrina.connect.com.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 14 Jul 2000 23:50:03 -0400 Received: from snapper3 (acc12-ppp116.mel.roaming.connect.com.au [210.9.211.116]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 213F6106AF; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:50:06 +1000 (EST) From: "Will Lau" To: "William Armstrong" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Modem update Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:50:49 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: I downloaded it okay, but I cant get it to work on my Win2000 600x! Starting the extracted Setup file starts a query "update modem driver", YES -> a little progress bar starts and then the apps disappears! Anyone had more luck or can offer some insight? -----Original Message----- From: William Armstrong [mailto:warmstrong@waldinc.com] Sent: Saturday, 8 July 2000 6:58 AM To: ThinkPad List Subject: Modem update Anyone else have trouble downloading the Lucent modem update for W2K at the IBM website? I get to 99% complete and the download crashes. Just curious. From cph Sat Jul 15 00:06:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA29853 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:06:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10353; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:05:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10031; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10005; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:05:05 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA29709; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:05:10 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA15510; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000714210229.02412770@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:03:34 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input In-Reply-To: <200007131510.e6DFAGs18590@bean.epix.net> References: <396D4941.E21679C3@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:10 AM 7/13/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I was looking at a new 600e (with 3 yr warranty) vs a new A20m - one year >warranty. I agree the A20 in the model I want has a larger display (and >might be slightly faster); I guess the convenience of not having to fiddle >with an external diskette drive (or swap it with the CD) is worth >something also. When's the last time you touched a diskette? I haven't used a diskette in months... - Randy Whittle From cph Sat Jul 15 00:06:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA29857 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:06:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10360; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:05:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10054; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10009; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:05:05 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA29713; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:05:11 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA15514; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000714210346.0241a460@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:04:35 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: 600x and FDD In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 12:04 PM 7/13/2000 -0500, you wrote: >Thinkpads reserve the A: drive for the _internal_ floppy drive solely. If you >attach your floppy with any of the external options, it will be assigned >the B: >drive designation _regardless_ of whether or not the internal floppy is >installed. That was never the case with either my TP560 or my TP600. Floppy was always A:, whether internal or external. - Randy Whittle From cph Sat Jul 15 00:09:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA29864 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:09:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11003; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:07:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10778; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:07:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10748; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:07:54 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA29993; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:08:00 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA15982; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:07:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000714210518.0242dec0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:07:24 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input In-Reply-To: References: <200007131510.e6DFAGs18590@bean.epix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 09:44 AM 7/13/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Just one more personal opinion, but I used to own a laptop that required >me to swap out the CD for the floppy drive. Then I switched to my current >TP380z which has "triple-spindle" (HD, CD & floppy all at the same time). > >I would **NEVER** consider going back to a laptop that doesn't offer all >three drives at the same time, EVER!!! > >There are certain things I wanted to do (like install OS/2) that required >the CD and Floppy be available at the same time. You just couldn't do it >if you had to swap back and forth. Point #1: OS/2 is weird. Its just plain silly that it requires both a floppy & a CD for an installation. Point #2: Ever hear of an external connecting cable? (It came with my TP600, but they dropped the ball when they didn't include one with the T20.) Point #3: How the heck often do you install an OS anyway? From cph Sat Jul 15 00:13:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA29882 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:13:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11465; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:11:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11316; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11303; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:11:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:11:47 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-278.gate.net [199.227.131.87]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA153408; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:11:51 -0400 Message-ID: <396FE49F.E15CC1E2@gate.net> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:12:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pctech@southeast.net CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 510Cs Mini Color Notebook References: <396FBACA.70F2@southeast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: take a look at the hardware manuals on the IBM web site.. Computer-Guru wrote: > Hello All, > > does anyone know anything about the above laptop???? > Does it have an internal floppy? > > Please reply ASAP!! I have a chance to buy one if I hurry. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Jul 15 00:45:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA30044 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:45:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13535; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:43:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13353; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13340; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:43:55 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA03067; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:44:01 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA22243; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:44:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000714214133.0244bdd8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2000 21:42:46 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 10:17 AM 7/14/2000 -0800, you wrote: >So does one spindle (701C) rock, and I can use it in an >airplane where CD-ROM machines are verboten (or at least, >reportedly, in *some* airplanes. In my recent experience, I >bring out the 701 and flight attendants don't bother me. Maybe >it is no longer an issue). I fly 3 to 4 round-trips a month, and have done so for the last couple of years, without so much as a peep about the CD (now DVD) in my laptop. - Randy Whittle From cph Sat Jul 15 03:21:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA30712 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:21:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19709; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:19:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19607; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19594; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.teleport.com (192.108.254.43 -> mail2.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:19:47 -0400 Received: (qmail 9641 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2000 07:19:51 -0000 Received: from i48-09-35.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.4.35) by mail2.teleport.com with SMTP; 15 Jul 2000 07:19:51 -0000 Message-ID: <39701181.34163990@teleport.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 00:23:46 -0700 From: Bryan Daum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input References: <396F26C6.A116884A@teleport.com> <006701bfedb5$1829f690$1000a8c0@cschumann> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Yes, I am aware that warranty extensions are available -at additional cost. That additional cost then increases the total cost, of course. So, if like me, you are on a tight budget, want the light weight, want the dvd and want the three year warranty then you just add them all up in your comparison and, viola!, you see what a great deal these 600Es are... Heck, if I had had the extra bucks I would have still bought a 600 but gone for the X model -but, for me, that speed increase just wasn't worth another grand (that I didn't have anyway). Bryan Chris Schumann wrote: > Remember also that you can buy an A20m and immediately upgrade its warranty > to three years, at least from IBM. PCConnection also sells warranty upgrades > when you buy from them. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bryan Daum > To: Allan Ballard > Cc: David Goldman ; Julian Thomas ; > > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input > > > > > My biggest concerns are the quality of the machine generally (*especially > the > > keyboard feel*), the weight, AND the 3 year warranty. > > > > I just bought the 600e (w/ dvd!) and love it. Though I have not even seen > the > > A20m, I would not invest in a machine with a one year warranty when a very > > similar machine was available for the same or less money with the three > year > > warranty. > > > > Remember: The 600 is a first class machine. At the current prices it is > a > > steal. > > > > Bryan From cph Sat Jul 15 07:08:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA31559 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:08:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00552; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:06:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00424; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00411; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.net (216.254.0.5 -> gonzo.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:06:24 -0400 Received: (qmail 19538 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2000 11:06:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grace.speakeasy.org) (216.254.0.2) by gonzo.speakeasy.net with SMTP; 15 Jul 2000 11:06:29 -0000 Received: (qmail 12461 invoked from network); 15 Jul 2000 11:06:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO WALD7) ([141.155.114.140]) (envelope-sender ) by grace.speakeasy.org (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 15 Jul 2000 11:06:27 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: "Will Lau" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Modem update Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 07:09:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Will, This sounds similar to what happens when I try to install the same file. I also cannot download the file properly into my A20p machine. The file downloads to 99%, then stalls and knocks out my network connection completely. Strange, eh? I have supposedly downloaded the file successfully to a different machine that is not running W2K, but never to the A20p. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Will Lau [mailto:contact@snappersolutions.com] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 11:51 PM To: William Armstrong; ThinkPad List Subject: RE: Modem update I downloaded it okay, but I cant get it to work on my Win2000 600x! Starting the extracted Setup file starts a query "update modem driver", YES -> a little progress bar starts and then the apps disappears! Anyone had more luck or can offer some insight? -----Original Message----- From: William Armstrong [mailto:warmstrong@waldinc.com] Sent: Saturday, 8 July 2000 6:58 AM To: ThinkPad List Subject: Modem update Anyone else have trouble downloading the Lucent modem update for W2K at the IBM website? I get to 99% complete and the download crashes. Just curious. From cph Sat Jul 15 12:08:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA32516 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:08:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26673; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:06:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26322; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:06:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26299; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Resent-From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:06:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (arc5a38.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.39]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA23201 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200007151606.MAA23201@pike.sover.net> Message-Id: <200007151606.MAA23201@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) localhost from arc5a38.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.39] 209.198.80.39 Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:06:35 -0400 (EDT) From: letoured@sover.net Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:02:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000714210229.02412770@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:06:37 -0400 Resent-To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Originally-To: Randal Whittle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 (Unregistered) List-Unsubscribe: Randal Whittle said: >At 11:10 AM 7/13/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>I was looking at a new 600e (with 3 yr warranty) vs a new A20m - one year >>warranty. I agree the A20 in the model I want has a larger display (and >>might be slightly faster); I guess the convenience of not having to fiddle >>with an external diskette drive (or swap it with the CD) is worth >>something also. > When's the last time you touched a diskette? > I haven't used a diskette in months... That is you with WinX. With OS2 I sometimes use the floppy drive to boot into an old version of DOS so I can run an old program for some specific reason, or to load old software that came on floppies. -- You see OS2 users didn't have to go out and buy everything new to keep the functionality they had before the current version of OS2. Some of us also still run the old stuff because years of data were saved with the old programs and there is no rational reason to spend time and money converting it to the latest whatever stuff. -- Its really quite simple and no big deal because once upon a time IBM promised a better DOS then dos, and a better Windows then windows -- and they delivered it. ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Sat Jul 15 12:08:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA32517 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:08:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26671; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:06:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26341; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26309; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Resent-From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:06:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (arc5a38.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.39]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA23209 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200007151606.MAA23209@pike.sover.net> Message-Id: <200007151606.MAA23209@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) localhost from arc5a38.bf.sover.net [209.198.80.39] 209.198.80.39 Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:06:37 -0400 (EDT) From: letoured@sover.net Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 03:06:33 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000714210518.0242dec0@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 12:06:39 -0400 Resent-To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Originally-To: Randal Whittle To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 (Unregistered) List-Unsubscribe: Randal Whittle said: >At 09:44 AM 7/13/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>Just one more personal opinion, but I used to own a laptop that required >>me to swap out the CD for the floppy drive. Then I switched to my current >>TP380z which has "triple-spindle" (HD, CD & floppy all at the same time). >> >>I would **NEVER** consider going back to a laptop that doesn't offer all >>three drives at the same time, EVER!!! >> >>There are certain things I wanted to do (like install OS/2) that required >>the CD and Floppy be available at the same time. You just couldn't do it >>if you had to swap back and forth. > Point #1: OS/2 is weird. Its just plain silly that it requires >both a floppy & a CD for an installation. Actually its a good plan. -- If one thinks of the ever increasing hard drive sizes we've seen in the past few year and which required new drivers as the drives evolved -- leaving the boot to start the install on a floppy -- that can be upgraded -- means that you don't have to pay for a new OS version to install it -- as people do with windows. > Point #2: Ever hear of an external connecting cable? (It came >with my TP600, but they dropped the ball when they didn't include one with >the T20.) I don't understand the to-do about this either. Its a non-issue since one can install OS2 from a remote machine that has a CD ROM. > Point #3: How the heck often do you install an OS anyway? That depends on the stability of the OS, and how much you do with it. I know people who have to reinstall WinX every six months to keep it functioning correctly. I've had to do that on company machines. On my machines with OS2, I usually only reinstall OS2 when I want to change a partition its installed on. (We're not stuck using drive C). ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Sat Jul 15 13:49:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA00449 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:49:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01786; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:47:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01544; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01520; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:47:00 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA10392; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:47:07 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA16788; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000715091746.02434c10@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:34:41 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: OS Wars again... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) In-Reply-To: <200007150708.DAA18593@pike.sover.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20000714210229.02412770@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 03:02 AM 7/15/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Randal Whittle said: > > >At 11:10 AM 7/13/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >>I was looking at a new 600e (with 3 yr warranty) vs a new A20m - one year > >>warranty. I agree the A20 in the model I want has a larger display (and > >>might be slightly faster); I guess the convenience of not having to fiddle > >>with an external diskette drive (or swap it with the CD) is worth > >>something also. > > > When's the last time you touched a diskette? > > > I haven't used a diskette in months... > >That is you with WinX. With OS2 I sometimes use the floppy drive to boot into >an old version of DOS so I can run an old program for some specific reason, or >to load old software that came on floppies. -- You see OS2 users didn't have >to go out and buy everything new to keep the functionality they had before the >current version of OS2. Some of us also still run the old stuff because >years of data were saved with the old programs and there is no rational reason >to spend time and money converting it to the latest whatever stuff. -- Its >really quite simple and no big deal because once upon a time IBM promised a >better DOS then dos, and a better Windows then windows -- and they delivered >it. "A better DOS than dos" wouldn't require you to whip out a boot diskette every time you wanted to run DOS. No OS is an island--device drivers, software support, and a host of other things are what make it useful. A "better Windows than windows" would require all these things--and OS/2, while technically very competent, never had all the support it needed to be successful. OS/2 is barely hanging on by the skin of its teeth, thanks in no small part to Microsoft-hating die-hard users like yourself. Otherwise, it is dead and unsupported. Its slow death began the day IBM pulled support for Team OS/2. Deal with the facts. For what its worth, you can run multiple OS's (like "real" DOS) with System Commander and never have to pull out a DOS Boot Diskette. That should make life easier on you, but being an OS/2 holdout, I'm guessing you're quite used to jumping through hoops. From cph Sat Jul 15 13:49:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA00452 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:49:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01806; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:47:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01570; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:47:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01531; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:47:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:47:02 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA10398; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:47:08 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA16798; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 13:47:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000715103423.0244eab8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:41:03 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: More OS's... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) In-Reply-To: <200007150708.DAA18596@pike.sover.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20000714210518.0242dec0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 03:06 AM 7/15/2000 -0400, you wrote: > > Point #1: OS/2 is weird. Its just plain silly that it requires > >both a floppy & a CD for an installation. > >Actually its a good plan. -- If one thinks of the ever increasing hard drive >sizes we've seen in the past few year and which required new drivers as the >drives evolved -- leaving the boot to start the install on a floppy -- that >can be upgraded -- means that you don't have to pay for a new OS version to >install it -- as people do with windows. There is no technical advantage to doing so. That's all in your mind, which is apparently..."Warped" in more ways than one. And people do not have to pay for a new version of Windows to use a bigger drive. > > Point #3: How the heck often do you install an OS anyway? >I usually only reinstall OS2 when I want to change a partition its installed >on. (We're not stuck using drive C). ...Nor are Windows users. If you're going to Lord your imagined "superiority" over Windows, it might help to at least get your facts straight. From cph Sat Jul 15 16:46:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA01258 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:46:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07770; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:46:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:40:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07213; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.acunet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07198; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.acunet.net (208.208.5.101) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:40:02 -0400 Received: from xpool127.acunet.net (xpool127.acunet.net [208.208.7.127]) by mail.acunet.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA06314 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:45:00 -0400 Message-Id: <200007152045.QAA06314@mail.acunet.net> From: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" To: "TP List" Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:39:35 -0400 Reply-To: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS Wars again... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:34:41 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > "A better DOS than dos" wouldn't require you to whip out a boot >diskette every time you wanted to run DOS. This comment shows you have no concept of the VDM within OS/2. Nor do you understand the ability to boot to various versions of DOS within each VDM as necessary. >No OS is an island--device >drivers, software support, and a host of other things are what make it >useful. A "better Windows than windows" would require all these >things--and OS/2, while technically very competent, never had all the >support it needed to be successful. OS/2 *IS* very successful. It is not something I would jump to recommend to the average desktop user as many users want to play games and the vast majority of those are for Windows. I use OS/2 on my Thinkpad 770 as my primary OS. With it I email, browse and program. When I want to play games I boot to Win95 on my Thinkpad or boot Win98 on my desktop. > OS/2 is barely hanging on by the skin of its teeth, thanks in no >small part to Microsoft-hating die-hard users like yourself. Otherwise, it >is dead and unsupported. Its slow death began the day IBM pulled support >for Team OS/2. Deal with the facts. Sounds like you are the one who needs to "deal with the facts" Letoured was correct in what he wrote regarding OS/2. It is still very much alive in the business sector and IBM has promised their continued support for it. Claiming that Letoured is "Microsoft-hating user" is just a sad attempt at a personal attack. Why should you get so upset over his obvious happiness with OS/2. Sounds like some kind of defense mechanism to me. There's more to the world than MS OSs and some of us like myself and Letoured happen to like OS/2. > > For what its worth, you can run multiple OS's (like "real" DOS) >with System Commander and never have to pull out a DOS Boot Diskette. That >should make life easier on you, but being an OS/2 holdout, I'm guessing >you're quite used to jumping through hoops. Again, you seem to attack OS/2 users. Did an OS/2 user run over your pet or something to generate this kind of anger towards us? You are correct in the use of System Commander. It very nice and you can boot multiple OSs from it. However, OS/2 comes with Boot Manager which does the same thing. No need to purchase System Commander unless you want the added bells and whistles. Using Boot manager I easily boot OS/2 or Win95 (when I want to play a windows game) on my Thinkpad. For the record, I've never had to use a floppy boot disk when using OS/2 after the initial installation. Letoured is correct that this is a good way of doing things during the install because IBM can issue upgrades to the initial boot/driver floppy disk to accomodate new hardware as necessary. Using this I have installed OS/2 on systems with huge disks that didn't even exist when my OS/2 Warp 4 CD was pressed. If I was forced to only boot and install from the CD then how would the OS see the new larger HD? Most Windows users never have to face this as they automatically "upgrade" whenever they buy a new system with the latest Windows OS preinstalled. So, what do you say we drop this OS war stuff and get back to the Thinkpad again. Why should you or I care what OS the other guy runs so long as it runs on a Thinkpad? Jeff From cph Sat Jul 15 16:52:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA01274 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:52:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA08308; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:47:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07882; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:47:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.acunet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07816; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.acunet.net (208.208.5.101 -> mail.acunet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:46:56 -0400 Received: from xpool127.acunet.net (xpool127.acunet.net [208.208.7.127]) by mail.acunet.net (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA06420 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:51:59 -0400 Message-Id: <200007152051.QAA06420@mail.acunet.net> From: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" To: "TP List" Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:46:34 -0400 Reply-To: "Jeffrey D Grinnell" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.96a For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: More OS's... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:41:03 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 03:06 AM 7/15/2000 -0400, you wrote: >> > Point #1: OS/2 is weird. Its just plain silly that it requires >> >both a floppy & a CD for an installation. >> >>Actually its a good plan. -- If one thinks of the ever increasing hard drive >>sizes we've seen in the past few year and which required new drivers as the >>drives evolved -- leaving the boot to start the install on a floppy -- that >>can be upgraded -- means that you don't have to pay for a new OS version to >>install it -- as people do with windows. > > There is no technical advantage to doing so. That's all in your >mind, which is apparently..."Warped" in more ways than one. And people do >not have to pay for a new version of Windows to use a bigger drive. Again...more personal attacks on a user who likes OS/2. What is with you Randal? Also, please explain why there is "no technical advantage" by having the install start from the floppy which can be upgraded? You never said. You only said there wasn't and then made a personal attack. Tell us your reasoning please. > >> > Point #3: How the heck often do you install an OS anyway? > >>I usually only reinstall OS2 when I want to change a partition its installed >>on. (We're not stuck using drive C). > ...Nor are Windows users. > > If you're going to Lord your imagined "superiority" over Windows, >it might help to at least get your facts straight. This all depends on what version of Windows you are speaking of. Some, as you are aware, must be installed on the disks primary partition. OS/2 can happily exist on an extended partion. Jeff From cph Sat Jul 15 17:21:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA01391 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:21:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09428; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:21:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:17:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09219; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09206; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:17:00 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (206-97-58-181.ip.theriver.com [206.97.58.181]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5530E25F10; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:17:05 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <3970D5B8.35F4A0C1@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 14:20:56 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeffrey D Grinnell Cc: TP List Subject: Re: More OS's... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) References: <200007152051.QAA06420@mail.acunet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jeffrey D Grinnell wrote: > > > >> > Point #3: How the heck often do you install an OS anyway? > > > >>I usually only reinstall OS2 when I want to change a partition its installed > >>on. (We're not stuck using drive C). > > > ...Nor are Windows users. > > > > If you're going to Lord your imagined "superiority" over Windows, > >it might help to at least get your facts straight. > > This all depends on what version of Windows you are speaking of. > Some, as you are aware, must be installed on the disks primary > partition. OS/2 can happily exist on an extended partion. > WindowsNT also requires a FAT C: partition in order to install. Yes, you can CONVERT it to NTFS AFTER the installation is complete. OS/2 and Linux can be installed to ANY partion on your hard drive, even a second or third drive (if hardware supported upon bootup.) So, which OS is the best? Whatever you are happy using and works for you. Just because I use Linux and am a former long-time OS/2 user, does not mean that WindowsXX cannot work for others. I learnt that the OS must meet the requirements of the user and not just mine. 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Cordially, Carlos de la Puente From cph Sat Jul 15 18:52:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA01815 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:52:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12883; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:50:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12738; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:50:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12725; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 18:50:36 -0400 Received: from burean - 63.27.183.134 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 15:50:07 -0700 From: "burean" To: Subject: unsubcribe remove Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 17:45:44 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <0427d0750220f70CPIMSSMTPU10@email.msn.com> List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe remove From cph Sat Jul 15 19:18:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA01926 for ; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:18:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14229; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:18:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:16:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14105; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14092; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 15 Jul 2000 19:16:18 -0400 Received: from dgoldman (adsl-216-101-170-226.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.101.170.226]) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA39364; Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <4.2.1.20000715161541.00da2100@houdini.dgoldman.com> X-Sender: dgoldman@shell9.ba.best.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.1 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:16:45 -0700 To: "burean" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: David Goldman Subject: How to unsubscribe from the Thinkpads mailing list (was Re: unsubcribe remove) In-Reply-To: <0427d0750220f70CPIMSSMTPU10@email.msn.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:45 PM 7/15/2000 , "burean" wrote: >unsubscribe remove To unsubscribe, you must not only send a message with the subject being 'unsubscribe' (without the quotes), but you must also send it to the proper address (which is DIFFERENT from the normal address used for messages. So, either send a message as follows: TO: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu SUBJECT: unsubscribe or click on the link below: List-Unsubscribe: ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:16:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26763; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:13:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25672; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25659; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:13:18 -0400 Received: from user-37ka2lu.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37ka2lu.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.10.190]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA03055; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:13:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007160413.AAA03055@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "tp750@cs.utk.edu" , "Jeffrey D Grinnell" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:21:16 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200007152051.QAA06420@mail.acunet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: More OS's... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) List-Unsubscribe: There is every advantage to using floppy installs. The floppies can be updated to reflect changing technology. Maybe that can be done with CD's nowadays, I don't know. I do know that the OS/2 install floppies out-of-the-box can be updated to support some technological advances, such as huge hard drives. Win 95 needs to boot into something that will recognize a CD player. I always thought that meant a DOS disk, as in boot to dos, then run the CD. Not too much differences there, except no updates at the get-go. And you have to remember how to recognize your CD player in DOS. MY TP Win95 OSR2 requires its own boot disk, prior to running the CD. Never noticed what it does. NT 4 requires install disks, same as OS/2. Don't know if they are updatable, though. My main reason for running OS/2 is its stability. NT seems to be fairly game, but Win95 just plain s*cks. It will go down on its own if you leave it running alone for a few months. The advantage of Win9x products is a more ready supply of drivers. This is more of a niceity than a necessity, though. So far I have the ability to run all I need in OS/2. Allan Ballard primary pc - homemade, booting to DOS, Win3.11, NT 4.0, Warp 4.0. and probably Linux whenever I get around to it. On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:46:34 -0400, Jeffrey D Grinnell wrote: > >Also, please explain why there is "no technical advantage" by having >the install start from the floppy which can be upgraded? You never >said. You only said there wasn't and then made a personal attack. >Tell us your reasoning please. From cph Sun Jul 16 01:05:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA03378 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:05:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28876; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:03:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28730; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28717; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:03:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:03:20 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-19.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.19]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id BAA24202 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000716010613.016cd100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 01:06:13 -0700 To: TP List From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: More OS's... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) In-Reply-To: <3970D5B8.35F4A0C1@theriver.com> References: <200007152051.QAA06420@mail.acunet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:20 PM 07/15/2000 -0700, James Mckenzie wrote: >So, which OS is the best? Whatever you are happy using and works for you. Just >because I use Linux and am a former long-time OS/2 user, does not mean that >WindowsXX cannot work for others. I learnt that the OS must meet the >requirements of the user and not just mine. Amen! Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Jul 16 02:24:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA03660 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 02:24:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03090; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 02:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 02:22:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02883; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 02:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02870; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 02:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 02:22:14 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id CAA24479; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 02:22:17 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id CAA08900; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 02:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000715224701.02429948@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:04:55 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: OS Wars again... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) Cc: "Prince, Greg" In-Reply-To: <200007152045.QAA06314@mail.acunet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 04:39 PM 7/15/2000 -0400, you wrote: >On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:34:41 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > > > "A better DOS than dos" wouldn't require you to whip out a boot > >diskette every time you wanted to run DOS. > >This comment shows you have no concept of the VDM within OS/2. Nor do >you understand the ability to boot to various versions of DOS within >each VDM as necessary. Actually I know all about it--I've used 3 different versions of OS/2 on machines through the years and each time decided it lacked what was really needed. I go back far enough with OS/2 to remember when they had the "DOS Compatibility Box" (which wasn't so compatible). The previous poster didn't specify the VDM booting until later. Not that it matters. The name escapes me at the moment, but there is software out there that will run multiple OS's in memory and switch between them at will (including Linux). OS/2 does it with...oh yeah, DOS. Nothing else? Well...Win 3.x I guess... > >No OS is an island--device > >drivers, software support, and a host of other things are what make it > >useful. A "better Windows than windows" would require all these > >things--and OS/2, while technically very competent, never had all the > >support it needed to be successful. > >OS/2 *IS* very successful. Byt what standard? Its on life support. Name something new that has been released on that platform in the last...oh, 3 years. E-mailing and browsing can be done from a $99 I-opener box (it can be done from a Palm Pilot, for crying out loud!), and coding can be done in any text editor. There's nothing to brag about here. > > OS/2 is barely hanging on by the skin of its teeth, thanks in no > >small part to Microsoft-hating die-hard users like yourself. Otherwise, it > >is dead and unsupported. Its slow death began the day IBM pulled support > >for Team OS/2. Deal with the facts. > >Sounds like you are the one who needs to "deal with the facts" >Letoured was correct in what he wrote regarding OS/2. It is still very >much alive in the business sector Banking. That's the only business sector that still uses it to *any* degree at all, and largely due to holdover baggage. I have a friend that works in IT at U.S. Bank in Minneapolis/St. Paul that thinks it was a big mistake too (and believe me, he's not Windoze lover--not by a longshot). He can't wait for it to go away. >and IBM has promised their continued >support for it. What's to support? Can you buy a single scanner today that can be run in OS/2? A digital camera with OS/2 drivers? You act as though these things don't matter, but lets be honest here...OS/2 is an island, and islands have a way of being very, very isolated. > Claiming that Letoured is "Microsoft-hating user" is >just a sad attempt at a personal attack. Why should you get so upset >over his obvious happiness with OS/2. Sounds like some kind of defense >mechanism to me. There's more to the world than MS OSs and some of us >like myself and Letoured happen to like OS/2. It was he that fired the first volley. I merely responded. I've had my bumps with Windows, and have been really quite impressed with Win2K since I've made it the primary OS on my main working machine. Unlike OS/2's total lack of driver--and largely software--support that came only years after the war had been lost. From cph Sun Jul 16 07:28:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA14136 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:28:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA21147; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:25:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20995; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:25:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA20982; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:25:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (194.164.53.205) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 07:25:32 -0400 Received: by mailtest.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.04/2.0) id MAA510.03; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:24:01 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:24:00 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: OS Wars again... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) Message-ID: <20000716122400.Y31692@eyup.org> References: <200007152045.QAA06314@mail.acunet.net> <4.2.0.58.20000715224701.02429948@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000715224701.02429948@127.0.0.1>; from Randal Whittle on Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 11:04:55PM -0700 X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 11:04:55PM -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > Byt what standard? Its on life support. Name something new that > has been released on that platform in the last...oh, 3 years. LVM JFS.IFS UDFS.IFS USB support Odin Enlightenment Flash SciTech Display Doctor DB2 v7 (free) Incidentally, OS/2 is now being re-marketed as eComStation by a third party who are commited to making it succesfull. IBM realised along time ago it could make far more money with little effort off the fat of Microsoft products than pushing OS/2. -- John From cph Sun Jul 16 08:17:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA14316 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:17:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25080; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:15:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24505; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24422; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:15:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:15:38 -0400 Received: from athe530-m034.otenet.gr (athe530-m034.otenet.gr [212.205.248.34]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6GCF6O26549 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:15:12 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007161215.e6GCF6O26549@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:26:42 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000715091746.02434c10@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: OS Wars again... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA25080 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA14317 On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:34:41 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > OS/2 is barely hanging on by the skin of its teeth, thanks in no >small part to Microsoft-hating die-hard users like yourself. Otherwise, it >is dead and unsupported. Its slow death began the day IBM pulled support >for Team OS/2. Deal with the facts. Thats not true. OS/2 is indeed underdeveloped from the user and SOHO field, but not >from the industry side. Yes, M$ put its hand into OS/2's death on the user and SOHO market, but M$ is nowhere near OS/2 or Unix in the industry strength server market. Not even win2k is used for any important work, PC's themselfs are not considered as reliable hardware anyway, even OS/2 has a disadvantage on that side too. OS/2 is not dead, its just specific on its use and users. IBM is releasing the convinience packs on september which is warp4+all updates to a new version. Plus we get updates like the DVD filesystem driver (UDF) and the USB drivers. OS/2 is not dead, but OS/2 applications are dead, IBM and Sun have joined forces to move all IBM applications to Java. AIX applications are dead too, and AIX also has a short future since IBM has sided with Linux and they are about to kill AIX for Linux. The future is Java (ontop of any operating system) + Mozilla + Webshere, so that gives IBM the independence of software platforms. OS/2 is one of those platforms. Considering WSODv2, it will be a java platform along with legacy stuff (DOS/Win/OS2 apps). Ofcourse IBM is looking far into the future, since Java is still crap from the users side of view. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Jul 16 08:31:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA14368 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:31:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25639; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:29:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25472; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25446; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:29:34 -0400 Received: from athe530-m034.otenet.gr (athe530-m034.otenet.gr [212.205.248.34]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6GCSNO10763 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:28:24 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007161228.e6GCSNO10763@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:27:17 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200007152045.QAA06314@mail.acunet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: OS Wars again... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA25639 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA14369 On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:39:35 -0400, Jeffrey D Grinnell wrote: > If I was forced to only boot and install from the CD then >how would the OS see the new larger HD? If you have a CD-R you can burn a copy of your original WarpServer for e-b and update the disk images your self with whatever updates you want. You can also make custom automatic installations, boot the CD and let it install with default options. Useful if you are in a client/server environment. You can also make a warp4 bootable CD with recovery programs :) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Jul 16 08:31:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA14372 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:31:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25686; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:29:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25473; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25447; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:29:34 -0400 Received: from athe530-m034.otenet.gr (athe530-m034.otenet.gr [212.205.248.34]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6GCSQO10818 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:28:26 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007161228.e6GCSQO10818@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:27:17 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200007152045.QAA06314@mail.acunet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: OS Wars again... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA25686 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA14373 On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 16:39:35 -0400, Jeffrey D Grinnell wrote: > If I was forced to only boot and install from the CD then >how would the OS see the new larger HD? If you have a CD-R you can burn a copy of your original WarpServer for e-b and update the disk images your self with whatever updates you want. You can also make custom automatic installations, boot the CD and let it install with default options. Useful if you are in a client/server environment. You can also make a warp4 bootable CD with recovery programs :) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Jul 16 08:35:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA14389 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:35:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26058; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:33:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25907; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:33:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25894; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:33:35 -0400 Received: from athe530-m034.otenet.gr (athe530-m034.otenet.gr [212.205.248.34]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6GCXQO16098 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:33:26 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007161233.e6GCXQO16098@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:32:19 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200007160413.AAA03055@smtp6.mindspring.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: More OS's... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA26058 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA14390 On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 00:21:16 -0400 (EDT), Allan Ballard wrote: >Maybe that can be done with CD's nowadays, I don't >know. I do know that the OS/2 install floppies out-of-the-box >can be updated to support some technological advances, >such as huge hard drives. Yes you can create a new set of boot disks, then create images of them and burn a new bootable CD with the new disk images, works great with WSeB. >NT 4 requires install disks, same as OS/2. Don't know if they >are updatable, though. OS/2 doesn't require them since WSeB came out, which installs >from the CD without a problem. Not to mention the fact that OS/2 can install via network! kick ass :) Not to mention the CID servers which automaticaly install software on your newly installed OS/2 system via a network so you don't bother installing applications. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Jul 16 08:38:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA14400 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:38:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26430; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:38:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:37:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26251; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26241; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:37:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-r20.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.162 -> imo-r20.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:37:03 -0400 Received: from Kernow62@aol.com by imo-r20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id o.9b.7cec358 (2619) for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:37:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9b.7cec358.26a30671@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:37:05 EDT Subject: IBM wireless phone connection To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (thinkpad) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 109 List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, Does anyone use one of these? What are peoples opinion on the product? I am primarily interested in using it for staying connected to the web with reasonable safety during our all too frequent lightening storms here in Central Florida. Other alternatives or ideas would be very welcome. Anyone have a source for this product? http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/products.nsf/$wwwpartnumlookup/_04K0064#details Cheers, Jim Thompson. From cph Sun Jul 16 08:39:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA14405 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:39:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26617; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:37:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26335; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26321; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:37:37 -0400 Received: from athe530-m034.otenet.gr (athe530-m034.otenet.gr [212.205.248.34]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6GCaGO19382 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:36:16 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007161236.e6GCaGO19382@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:35:10 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000715224701.02429948@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: OS Wars again... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA26617 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA14406 On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:04:55 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > Not that it matters. The name escapes me at the moment, but there >is software out there that will run multiple OS's in memory and switch >between them at will (including Linux). OS/2 does it with...oh yeah, >DOS. Nothing else? Well...Win 3.x I guess... Again you are wrong. Bochs emulator is what runs different operating systems by emulating a computer on the host operating system. Bochs for OS/2 exists and works great, i've used Linux running under OS/2 like that. Not to mention that OS/2 can run win32 apps via a Citrix server, or use Desktop-On-Call which allows you to use a computer via a network (like VNC but better). þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Jul 16 10:06:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA14747 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:06:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01569; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:04:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01412; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01398; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:04:32 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.245]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000716140440.QIGJ14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:04:40 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000716100234.009418b0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:02:34 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: OS Wars again... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) In-Reply-To: <200007161236.e6GCaGO19382@athserv.otenet.gr> References: <4.2.0.58.20000715224701.02429948@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Guys! ThinkPads - not OS Wars! Take it to private e-mail or an advocacy newsgroup, please. From cph Sun Jul 16 11:33:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA15243 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:33:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07815; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:30:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07629; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07616; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:30:32 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.175] (helo=139-142-112-175.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13DqNH-0000YT-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:30:36 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: OS Wars again... Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:13:42 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <28dc54mipNcZ092yn@islandnet.com> References: <200007161236.e6GCaGO19382@athserv.otenet.gr> In-Reply-To: <200007161236.e6GCaGO19382@athserv.otenet.gr> Lines: 41 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Forgive me for mentioning something off-topic, but >Not to mention that OS/2 can run win32 apps via a Citrix server, or use >Desktop-On-Call which allows you to use a computer via a network That's something I've been looking for. Something that will allow you to run an app on another computer in the (SOHO) network. It *should* be easy! >(like VNC but better). Speaking purely as a SOHO user... FWIW, I used OS/2 Warp 3 for a few months on my 701. I thought it worked pretty well. I later switched to Win95a (which I am still using!) for compatibility reasons. After installing all the various service packs to Win95a (and there are a lot of them. I wonder, has anybody put together a batch file that will do this (including the obligatory system reboots) in an unattended fashion?), I have a system that no longer needs to be reinstalled every couple of months. That is a relief. However, I find that I need to reboot every few days. It gets gummy in there. I have found that Win95 runs more DOS apps better than OS/2 does. That is important for me because I run a lot of old DOS apps. Typing is more efficient than mousing, if you know what it is you want to do. GUI is very good for applications that I don't use very often, but for the core stuff, I still use DOS. Oh yes, and bitmapped fixed fonts are generally easier to read than proportional fonts. I've even downloaded Verdana, and other special high-visibility fonts that Microsoft gives away, but I prefer the fixed. -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Sun Jul 16 13:40:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15794 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:40:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17737; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17366; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17339; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:40 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA28951; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:48 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA15091; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000716100024.02491058@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:08:22 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: More OS's... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) In-Reply-To: <200007161233.e6GCXQO16098@athserv.otenet.gr> References: <200007160413.AAA03055@smtp6.mindspring.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 03:32 PM 7/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: > >Maybe that can be done with CD's nowadays, I don't > >know. I do know that the OS/2 install floppies out-of-the-box > >can be updated to support some technological advances, > >such as huge hard drives. > >Yes you can create a new set of boot disks, then create images >of them and burn a new bootable CD There should be no reason that huge HD support would require being installed via floppy vs. any other media--this is not some techno advantage. Does not the current version of OS/2 come on a bootable CD? > >NT 4 requires install disks, same as OS/2. Don't know if they > >are updatable, though. > >OS/2 doesn't require them since WSeB came out, which installs >from the CD without a problem. Win2K installs from a bootable CD. >Not to mention the fact that OS/2 can install via network! kick ass :) Let me see, that matters because...why again? Gee...wouldn't you need some kind of OS/Networking support on the machine to begin with, in order to *access* the network to do this install? And this is better/less complicated than putting in a CD for the install? And a local CD drive is a hell of a lot faster than a network connection. From cph Sun Jul 16 13:40:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15795 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:40:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17742; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17399; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17341; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:40 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA28958; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:48 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA15097; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000716101740.024ae878@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:22:10 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Booting DOS (Was: OS Wars again...) In-Reply-To: <28dc54mipNcZ092yn@islandnet.com> References: <200007161236.e6GCaGO19382@athserv.otenet.gr> <200007161236.e6GCaGO19382@athserv.otenet.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:13 AM 7/16/2000 -0800, you wrote: >reboots) in an unattended fashion?), I have a system that no >longer needs to be reinstalled every couple of months. That is >a relief. However, I find that I need to reboot every few >days. It gets gummy in there. Perhaps consider Win2K. But with a 701 and presumably limited memory...that may not be a good idea. But you say you run a lot of DOS apps, and having not run much of any kind of DOS apps in years, I don't know whether or not Win2K's "Dos" capabilities would suffice. But you could still multi-boot into DOS when necessary (which is also true if you chose to use OS/2 or just about anything else that suits your whims). From cph Sun Jul 16 13:40:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15801 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:40:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17734; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:39:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17367; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17328; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:39 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id NAA28946; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:47 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA15087; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000716095043.02490310@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 09:53:41 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: OS Wars again... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) In-Reply-To: <200007161215.e6GCF6O26549@athserv.otenet.gr> References: <4.2.0.58.20000715091746.02434c10@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 12:26 AM 7/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: >OS/2 is not dead, but OS/2 applications are dead, Since when could any OS survive without application support? >The future is Java (ontop of any operating system) + Mozilla + Webshere, >so that gives IBM the independence of software platforms. That line has been spouted for years, and Sun would like it to be true more than anybody, but the reality is it is far more complicated than they want to admit. That's why it hasn't happened. And it may not ever. Kind of like fractal compression technology in graphic file formats--it just never materialized. >Ofcourse IBM is looking far into the future, since Java is still crap from >the users side of view. "Crap" maybe isn't the best word for it, but "oversold" would be. From cph Sun Jul 16 14:29:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA15986 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:29:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23820; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:27:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23702; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:27:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmail3.pacificnet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23684; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:27:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outmail3.pacificnet.net (207.171.0.14 -> outmail3.pacificnet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:27:44 -0400 Received: from AST01 (vpop2-246.pacificnet.net [209.204.33.246]) by outmail3.pacificnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA18085 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:29:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007161829.LAA18085@outmail3.pacificnet.net> From: "Lee Laniear" To: "TP List" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:28:30 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: "Lee Laniear" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.1999 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: More OS's... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) List-Unsubscribe: Any chance of getting this discussion either moved to a more appropriate site or returning to the original point of the A20, 600 comparision. Some of us are intersted in that, plus any comments about the T20. Perhaps wishful thinking on my part. Lee On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:08:22 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 03:32 PM 7/16/2000 +0100, you wrote: >> >Maybe that can be done with CD's nowadays, I don't >> >know. I do know that the OS/2 install floppies out-of-the-box >> >can be updated to support some technological advances, >> >such as huge hard drives. >> >>Yes you can create a new set of boot disks, then create images >>of them and burn a new bootable CD > > > There should be no reason that huge HD support would require being >installed via floppy vs. any other media--this is not some techno advantage. > > Does not the current version of OS/2 come on a bootable CD? > >> >NT 4 requires install disks, same as OS/2. Don't know if they >> >are updatable, though. >> >>OS/2 doesn't require them since WSeB came out, which installs >>from the CD without a problem. > > Win2K installs from a bootable CD. > >>Not to mention the fact that OS/2 can install via network! kick ass :) > > Let me see, that matters because...why again? Gee...wouldn't you >need some kind of OS/Networking support on the machine to begin with, in >order to *access* the network to do this install? And this is better/less >complicated than putting in a CD for the install? > > And a local CD drive is a hell of a lot faster than a network >connection. > > From cph Sun Jul 16 14:49:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA16064 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:49:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26321; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:47:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26176; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:47:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26163; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (195.170.0.2 -> ns1.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:47:30 -0400 Received: from athe530-i138.otenet.gr (athe530-i138.otenet.gr [195.167.111.138]) by ns1.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6GIlaZ04414 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:47:37 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007161847.e6GIlaZ04414@ns1.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:46:31 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000716095043.02490310@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: OS Wars again... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA26321 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA16065 On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 09:53:41 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > Since when could any OS survive without application support? IBM is thinking that Java will 'take over the world' or something, so OS/2 will survive since it will be able to run java stuff. > That line has been spouted for years, and Sun would like it to be >true more than anybody, but the reality is it is far more complicated than >they want to admit. That's why it hasn't happened. And it may not >ever. Kind of like fractal compression technology in graphic file >formats--it just never materialized. You don't know that yet, java is already one of the best programming languages, from the programers point of view ofcourse. > "Crap" maybe isn't the best word for it, but "oversold" would be. Trust me, its crap :) Maybe version 1.3 will be a little better, but from native C/C++/ADA applications java is far behind. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Jul 16 14:52:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA16084 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:52:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26615; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:51:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26472; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26458; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (195.170.0.2 -> ns1.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:51:04 -0400 Received: from athe530-i138.otenet.gr (athe530-i138.otenet.gr [195.167.111.138]) by ns1.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6GIpBZ04460 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:51:11 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007161851.e6GIpBZ04460@ns1.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:50:05 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <28dc54mipNcZ092yn@islandnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: OS Wars again... List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA26615 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA16085 On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:13:42 -0800, Jonathan Berry wrote: >That's something I've been looking for. Something that will >allow you to run an app on another computer in the (SOHO) >network. It *should* be easy! A Citrix server will cost you lots of money, since the company was taken over by M$ (who else?), and their product has been included in what is called WindowsNT Terminal Server, which is a piece of shit, since i've used it here. Ofcourse you could find the older Citrix server before M$ took over them. btw, OS/2 has Odin, which is an API to API matching technique like WINE for Linux but better. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Jul 16 14:56:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA16118 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:56:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26897; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:55:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26774; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:55:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26753; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (195.170.0.2 -> ns1.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:55:03 -0400 Received: from athe530-i138.otenet.gr (athe530-i138.otenet.gr [195.167.111.138]) by ns1.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6GIt9Z04550 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:55:10 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007161855.e6GIt9Z04550@ns1.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:54:03 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000716100024.02491058@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: More OS's... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA26897 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA16119 On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 10:08:22 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > Does not the current version of OS/2 come on a bootable CD? Yes and no, since there are two current versions of OS/2, WSeB supports it, but Warp4 doesn't. >>Not to mention the fact that OS/2 can install via network! kick ass :) > Let me see, that matters because...why again? Gee...wouldn't you >need some kind of OS/Networking support on the machine to begin with, in >order to *access* the network to do this install? And this is better/less >complicated than putting in a CD for the install? > And a local CD drive is a hell of a lot faster than a network >connection. You just don't get it do you? What happens when you have 2000 computers on a large building? Do you go pocking your CD on every machine? Ofcourse considering how shit your Windoze installation is, it will take you a few years to install windoze on all 2000 computers. Ofcourse with EPROM based network cards you can just boot the computer from the network without a boot disk. The EPROM software on the network card uses DHCP to get a hostname/IP and then installs OS/2 and whatever software you want from a server. Good luck on your windoze installation :) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Jul 16 14:59:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA16124 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:59:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27320; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:57:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27030; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27016; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:57:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (195.170.0.2 -> ns1.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:57:16 -0400 Received: from athe530-i138.otenet.gr (athe530-i138.otenet.gr [195.167.111.138]) by ns1.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6GIvMZ04564 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:57:22 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007161857.e6GIvMZ04564@ns1.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:56:16 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200007161829.LAA18085@outmail3.pacificnet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: More OS's... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA27320 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA16125 On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 11:28:30 -0700 (PDT), Lee Laniear wrote: >Any chance of getting this discussion either moved to a more appropriate site or >returning to the original point of the A20, 600 comparision. Some of us are intersted in >that, plus any comments about the T20. >Perhaps wishful thinking on my part. Yes that may be a good idea. I'm using a TP600E right now, 366mhz, 64megs ram, 6.4gig hd, 13.3 TFT, 24x cdrom. Its more than i actualy need, i run WSeB on it, and i've been doing all my programming work on it. I'd say its a superb computer. Although i can't really compare it with other ThinkPads since this is my first ThinkPad. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Jul 16 15:31:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16256 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:31:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28940; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:28:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28690; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28675; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:28:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (216.70.64.24 -> mrs-1-fix.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:28:43 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (2Cust40.tnt28.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.27.210.168]) by mrs-1.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA45727; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39720D22.80008EDE@mail.orion.org> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:29:38 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kernow62@aol.com CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: IBM wireless phone connection References: <9b.7cec358.26a30671@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Kernow62@aol.com wrote: > > Does anyone use one of these? What are peoples opinion on the product? Where can you get it at? I've looked all over for it. Found 2 mail order places that listed it for $40, but they were out of stock. I found one place that occasionally sells them on Ebay, but their price is $80 (yikes!!!). All I've heard is the actual manufacturer may be Panasonic and it uses Panasonic rechargeable batteries. > I am primarily interested in using it for staying connected to the web with > reasonable safety during our all too frequent lightening storms here in > Central Florida. I wanted it because I hate cords, they're a hazard and easy to trip over, so totally wireless freedom would be nice, but I could never find the wireless phone connection. > Other alternatives or ideas would be very welcome. Anyone have a source for > this product? No source, but I did find an alternative. However, my alternative requires you to own a desktop PC. I use Diamond Multimedia's HomeFree Wireless Network. It is an extra long PCMCIA card that plugs into the laptop and sticks out about an inch. On the PC end, I have a PCI HomeFree card (although the HomeFree Wireless Combo Pac usually comes one PCMCIA and one ISA). I am able to get on the Internet via my desktop PC's modem totally wirelessly. I can also access any drives and the printer hooked up to my desktop machine. HomeFree wireless uses 2.4GHz for 1mbps transfer rate which is plenty good enough for printer sharing and sharing the desktop's 56k modem. However, it's a bit slow for transferring files back and forth. I got the HomeFree Wireless Combo Pac which includes 1 PCMCIA and 1 PCI card for $47 on Diamond Multimedia's auction site brand new (it normally runs $80 on Ebay and retails for $179). Anyway, it works great and you can add additional wireless machines to the network. I plan to get another ThinkPad networked so my girlfriend and I can use the internet simultaneously without wires. There is better wireless cards that use the 802.11b (11mbps) wireless standard, but those cards run $200-250 PER MACHINE so it'll be awhile before I upgrade. Shawn From cph Sun Jul 16 15:34:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA16287 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:34:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29223; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:31:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28815; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:31:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28802; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 15:30:59 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA14159 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA27049 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:31:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <019601bfef5c$bc7001b0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "thinkpad" References: <200007161855.e6GIt9Z04550@ns1.otenet.gr> Subject: Gross childishness and stupidity... Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:33:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Folks, We all have our preferences and no doubt mine would make some you puke. Quit all of the stupid OS/Language wars right now, before I get out my big leather belt and come to tha back of the class and give a couple of you a good leathering! Enough!!!!!!! From cph Sun Jul 16 16:40:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA16565 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:40:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07556; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:39:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:35:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07008; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aristoteles.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06993; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:35:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aristoteles.otenet.gr (195.170.2.2 -> aristoteles.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:35:42 -0400 Received: from athe530-i138.otenet.gr (athe530-k046.otenet.gr [195.167.106.46]) by aristoteles.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6GKZPO02496 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:35:26 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007162035.e6GKZPO02496@aristoteles.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:34:40 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <019601bfef5c$bc7001b0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Gross childishness and stupidity... List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id QAA07556 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA16566 On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:33:36 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: >Folks, > >We all have our preferences and no doubt mine would make some you puke. > >Quit all of the stupid OS/Language wars right now, before I get out my big >leather belt and come to tha back of the class and give a couple of you a >good leathering! > >Enough!!!!!!! > hehe are you a teacher by profession? :) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Jul 16 16:49:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA16613 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:49:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10006; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:43:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07814; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:43:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07801; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (207.181.194.97 -> oberon.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:43:21 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by oberon.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA74671; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA84534; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01a401bfef66$d6610b50$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" , "thinkpad" References: <200007162035.e6GKZPO02496@aristoteles.otenet.gr> Subject: Re: Gross childishness and stupidity... Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:45:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id QAA10006 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA16614 No, but I did have a teacher like that! He made the Scottish teacher in Pink Floyd's "The Wall" look like a pussy. I just felt like yelling. It was good. I get soooooo sick and tired of all the petty little "my wiener is bigger than your wiener...." threads. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 3:34 PM Subject: Re: Gross childishness and stupidity... > On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:33:36 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: > > >Folks, > > > >We all have our preferences and no doubt mine would make some you puke. > > > >Quit all of the stupid OS/Language wars right now, before I get out my big > >leather belt and come to tha back of the class and give a couple of you a > >good leathering! > > > >Enough!!!!!!! > > > > hehe are you a teacher by profession? :) > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > > From cph Sun Jul 16 16:53:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA16650 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:53:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10370; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:53:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:49:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09986; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aristoteles.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09968; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aristoteles.otenet.gr (195.170.2.2 -> aristoteles.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 16:48:57 -0400 Received: from athe530-i138.otenet.gr (athe530-k046.otenet.gr [195.167.106.46]) by aristoteles.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6GKmdO02597 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:48:43 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007162048.e6GKmdO02597@aristoteles.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:47:53 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <01a401bfef66$d6610b50$0311a8c0@detayls.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Gross childishness and stupidity... List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id QAA10370 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA16651 On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 13:45:54 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: >No, but I did have a teacher like that! >He made the Scottish teacher in Pink Floyd's "The Wall" look like a pussy. >I just felt like yelling. It was good. >I get soooooo sick and tired of all the petty little "my wiener is bigger >than your wiener...." threads. heh nice. well, we try to avoid them but sometimes we can't hold our selfs. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Jul 16 17:08:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA16711 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:08:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11065; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:03:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10768; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10755; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from water.vramp.net (199.171.193.1 -> water.vramp.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:03:28 -0400 Received: from jamesmau (pm3-13-14.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.167]) by water.vramp.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA38847; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:02:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from CaptJHEM@waterw.com) From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Cc: "Thinkpad@Cs. Utk. Edu" Subject: RE: Gross childishness and stupidity... Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:02:36 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <200007162035.e6GKZPO02496@aristoteles.otenet.gr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis [mailto:sehh@altered.com] wrote: > On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:33:36 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: > > >Folks, > > > >We all have our preferences and no doubt mine would make some you puke. > > > >Quit all of the stupid OS/Language wars right now, before I get > >out my big leather belt and come to tha back of the class and give > >a couple of you a good leathering! > > > >Enough!!!!!!! > > > > hehe are you a teacher by profession? :) Dominatrix?? ;-) James From cph Sun Jul 16 17:41:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA16909 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:41:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12884; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:41:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:36:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12596; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12583; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:36:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:36:52 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA59340; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA85678; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <01db01bfef6e$521d82d0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "James H. E. Maugham" , "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Cc: "Thinkpad@Cs. Utk. Edu" References: Subject: Re: Gross childishness and stupidity... Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 14:39:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: More likely dominator! Dominatrix is a female term. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Cc: "Thinkpad@Cs. Utk. Edu" Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 2:02 PM Subject: RE: Gross childishness and stupidity... > Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis [mailto:sehh@altered.com] wrote: > > > On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:33:36 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: > > > > >Folks, > > > > > >We all have our preferences and no doubt mine would make some you puke. > > > > > >Quit all of the stupid OS/Language wars right now, before I get > > >out my big leather belt and come to tha back of the class and give > > >a couple of you a good leathering! > > > > > >Enough!!!!!!! > > > > > > > hehe are you a teacher by profession? :) > > Dominatrix?? ;-) > > James > > From cph Sun Jul 16 18:06:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA17175 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:06:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11229; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:05:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:58:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10574; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10561; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:58:22 -0400 Received: from user-38ld5cb.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld5cb.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.149.139]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA00261; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 17:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007162155.RAA00261@granger.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "John Poltorak" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000716122400.Y31692@eyup.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS Wars again... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) List-Unsubscribe: Does WSeB offer a new file system? Journaling File System or somesuch? On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:24:00 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >On Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 11:04:55PM -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >> Byt what standard? Its on life support. Name something new that >> has been released on that platform in the last...oh, 3 years. > >LVM >JFS.IFS >UDFS.IFS >USB support >Odin >Enlightenment >Flash >SciTech Display Doctor >DB2 v7 (free) > >Incidentally, OS/2 is now being re-marketed as eComStation by a >third party who are commited to making it succesfull. IBM realised >along time ago it could make far more money with little effort off >the fat of Microsoft products than pushing OS/2. > >-- >John > > From cph Sun Jul 16 18:28:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA17279 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:28:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12068; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:28:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:24:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11862; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:24:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11802; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (194.164.53.205) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:23:11 -0400 Received: by mailtest.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.04/2.0) id XAA581.94; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:18:39 +0100 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:18:18 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: OS Wars again... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) Message-ID: <20000716231818.M31692@eyup.org> References: <20000716122400.Y31692@eyup.org> <200007162155.RAA00261@granger.mail.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: <200007162155.RAA00261@granger.mail.mindspring.net>; from Allan Ballard on Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 06:03:40PM -0400 X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 06:03:40PM -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: > Does WSeB offer a new file system? Journaling > File System or somesuch? Yes, that's JFS.IFS mentioned below. A more recent addition is UDFS.IFS, available through Software Choice, which provides support for DVD-RAM. OS/2 is actually pretty good at providing filesystem support. The last time I counted, there were around 20 different IFS's available. > On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:24:00 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: > > >On Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 11:04:55PM -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > >> Byt what standard? Its on life support. Name something new that > >> has been released on that platform in the last...oh, 3 years. > > > >LVM > >JFS.IFS > >UDFS.IFS > >USB support > >Odin > >Enlightenment > >Flash > >SciTech Display Doctor > >DB2 v7 (free) > > > >Incidentally, OS/2 is now being re-marketed as eComStation by a > >third party who are commited to making it succesfull. IBM realised > >along time ago it could make far more money with little effort off > >the fat of Microsoft products than pushing OS/2. -- John From cph Sun Jul 16 18:34:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA17316 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:34:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12548; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:29:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12249; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aristoteles.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12236; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aristoteles.otenet.gr (195.170.2.2 -> aristoteles.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:29:25 -0400 Received: from athe530-i138.otenet.gr (athe530-k046.otenet.gr [195.167.106.46]) by aristoteles.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6GMSoO03152 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 01:28:54 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007162228.e6GMSoO03152@aristoteles.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 01:28:05 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200007162155.RAA00261@granger.mail.mindspring.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: OS Wars again... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id SAA12548 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA17317 On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:03:40 -0400 (EDT), Allan Ballard wrote: >Does WSeB offer a new file system? Journaling >File System or somesuch? Yes, JFS. Its a 64bit file system made for industry strength systems. Uses as Journaling system (as its name implies) and has other features like spawning along multiple harddrives to create single partitions, unlimited cache, and other such things. Its quite good actualy. Although it has one problem, WSeB has to be installed on HPFS, not JFS. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Jul 16 21:50:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA18174 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:50:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19151; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:46:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18912; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charon.amdahl.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18890; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from charon.amdahl.com (159.199.101.1 -> charon.amdahl.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:46:11 -0400 Received: from charon.amdahl.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by charon.amdahl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA25556 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from minerva.amdahl.com (minerva.amdahl.com [129.212.33.25]) by charon.amdahl.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA25547; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:46:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cliffy.eng.amdahl.com by minerva.amdahl.com with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1 #9) id m13Dzyy-000E77C; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:46 PDT Received: from ladybug.M2_BLDG by cliffy.eng.amdahl.com (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id SAA28155; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from czs00@localhost) by ladybug.M2_BLDG (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id SAA22358; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <20000716185701.03125@eng.amdahl.com> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:57:01 -0700 From: Serenella Ciongoli To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Cc: thinkpad Subject: Running applications on other computers References: <28dc54mipNcZ092yn@islandnet.com> <200007161851.e6GIpBZ04460@ns1.otenet.gr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.88e In-Reply-To: <200007161851.e6GIpBZ04460@ns1.otenet.gr>; from Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis on Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 09:50:05PM +0100 List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 09:50:05PM +0100, Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis wrote: > On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 08:13:42 -0800, Jonathan Berry wrote: > > >That's something I've been looking for. Something that will > >allow you to run an app on another computer in the (SOHO) > >network. It *should* be easy! Have a look at http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc. VNC is a public domain application that allows you to have a "remote console" on another computer. Both client and server run on multiple platforms, as in MsWindows, Linux, Solaris etc. There is even an OS/2 client. I have been running it for about 6 months and find it very useful, at a reasonable cost. :-} Serenella Ciongoli From cph Sun Jul 16 22:01:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA18214 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:01:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19694; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 22:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:58:33 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19493; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:58:22 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id VAA03764 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15896; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:04:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:04:42 -0400 Received: from user-38ld5cb.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld5cb.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.149.139]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA20574; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007170004.UAA20574@granger.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "John Poltorak" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:12:28 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000716231818.M31692@eyup.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS Wars again... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) List-Unsubscribe: Somewhere I read that JFS would support partitions and files to 10(?) gig and span disks? Could that be true? And what would one do with such? Put big web files on it maybe? On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:18:18 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >On Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 06:03:40PM -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >> Does WSeB offer a new file system? Journaling >> File System or somesuch? > >Yes, that's JFS.IFS mentioned below. A more recent addition is >UDFS.IFS, available through Software Choice, which provides support >for DVD-RAM. OS/2 is actually pretty good at providing filesystem >support. The last time I counted, there were around 20 different >IFS's available. > >> On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 12:24:00 +0100, John Poltorak wrote: >> >> >On Sat, Jul 15, 2000 at 11:04:55PM -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >> >> Byt what standard? Its on life support. Name something new that >> >> has been released on that platform in the last...oh, 3 years. >> > >> >LVM >> >JFS.IFS >> >UDFS.IFS >> >USB support >> >Odin >> >Enlightenment >> >Flash >> >SciTech Display Doctor >> >DB2 v7 (free) >> > >> >Incidentally, OS/2 is now being re-marketed as eComStation by a >> >third party who are commited to making it succesfull. IBM realised >> >along time ago it could make far more money with little effort off >> >the fat of Microsoft products than pushing OS/2. > >-- >John > From cph Sun Jul 16 23:47:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA18925 for ; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:47:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23251; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:43:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:40:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23029; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23016; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.131.47 -> mill.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:40:35 -0400 Received: from kend-linux.cisco.com (kend@kend-linux.cisco.com [161.44.130.32]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id XAA04699; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:39:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:39:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: Serenella Ciongoli cc: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" , thinkpad Subject: Re: Running applications on other computers In-Reply-To: <20000716185701.03125@eng.amdahl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > Have a look at http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc. > > VNC is a public domain application that allows you to have a "remote > console" on another computer. Both client and server run on multiple > platforms, as in MsWindows, Linux, Solaris etc. There is even an OS/2 > client. VNC, simply put, is the SysAdmin's Godsend. And one *very* valuable point is that, while the client is, indeed, available for multiple computer platforms, it's also available for Java-enabled browsers. Which means that you don't even /need/ the client; just walk up to someone's desk, kick off Netscape, point it at (by default) hostname:5800 (5801 by default for Unix servers, as 5800 is the equiv of :0, or the default extant X session). Bottom line: VNC rules, and AT&T should be worshipped for funding it. Ken D'Ambrosio SysAdmin, Cisco Systems, Inc. From cph Mon Jul 17 00:14:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA19060 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:14:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24916; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:12:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24754; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24737; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:12:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:12:22 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.189] (helo=139-142-112-189.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13E2GS-0003Ci-00 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 16 Jul 2000 21:12:20 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Booting DOS Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:45:00 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <200007161236.e6GCaGO19382@athserv.otenet.gr> <200007161236.e6GCaGO19382@athserv.otenet.gr> <4.2.0.58.20000716101740.024ae878@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000716101740.024ae878@127.0.0.1> Lines: 58 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: On my 701 (obligatory Thinkpad content), I never have to boot into DOS. All the DOS apps I have run fine as windows under Win95. Even Ventura Publisher 3 (over GEM over DOS over Win95 over DOS), and it runs speedily on this 486/75. Reboot every few days is way better than running an even more bloated OS. I've seen Win98 booting on 400 MHz Celeron class machines. It's way slower than my 701. What the heck is going on inside? >>I have a system that no >>longer needs to be reinstalled every couple of months. That is >>a relief. However, I find that I need to reboot every few >>days. It gets gummy in there. > > Perhaps consider Win2K. But with a 701 and presumably limited >memory... Tops out at 40 Meg. Win95a runs fine with 16 Meg. >that may not be a good idea. But you say you run a lot of DOS >apps, and having not run much of any kind of DOS apps in years, I don't >know whether or not Win2K's "Dos" capabilities would suffice. > >But you could still multi-boot into DOS when necessary Never has been necessary yet under Win95. A bit trickier under OS/2. The only problem with Win95a (with all fixpacks) is that after a while it gets gummed up (different thing every time) and after a few days rebooting cures all the gumminess. Oh yes, another problem I have is that I can't reboot the computer: it loops at the "wait" screen. I have to turn off the 701. Desktop reboots fine. >(which is >also true if you chose to use OS/2 or just about anything else that suits >your whims). > The "deeper" thinkpad content of this message is that the 701C can be a legit machine: fabulous screen, good stability, excellent suspend behaviour (even with PCMCIA cards in the slots), good keyboard (MMV), great BIOS and setup access, good sound, runs basic apps (email, browser, file manager, editor) plenty fast, can even do RealAudio (get older version 4, don't even think about version 6 or beyond), 6.4 GB hd and 40 MB RAM capacity. Just don't promote it to its level of incompetence (the Peter Principle). So, my wiener is smaller than yours but it is still a good wiener. -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Mon Jul 17 00:53:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA19231 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:53:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26603; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:52:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:50:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26422; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:50:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26409; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:50:43 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-440.gate.net [199.227.173.186]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA109368; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:50:32 -0400 Message-ID: <397290A2.C3411C3@gate.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:50:42 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jonathan Berry CC: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Booting DOS - three cheers for the 701C :-) References: <200007161236.e6GCaGO19382@athserv.otenet.gr> <200007161236.e6GCaGO19382@athserv.otenet.gr> <4.2.0.58.20000716101740.024ae878@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jonathan Berry wrote: > On my 701 (obligatory Thinkpad content), I never have to boot > into DOS. All the DOS apps I have run fine as windows under > Win95. Even Ventura Publisher 3 (over GEM over DOS over Win95 > over DOS), and it runs speedily on this 486/75. > > Reboot every few days is way better than running an even more > bloated OS. I've seen Win98 booting on 400 MHz Celeron class > machines. It's way slower than my 701. What the heck is going > on inside? > > >>I have a system that no > >>longer needs to be reinstalled every couple of months. That is > >>a relief. However, I find that I need to reboot every few > >>days. It gets gummy in there. > > > > Perhaps consider Win2K. But with a 701 and presumably limited > >memory... > > Tops out at 40 Meg. Win95a runs fine with 16 Meg. > > >that may not be a good idea. But you say you run a lot of DOS > >apps, and having not run much of any kind of DOS apps in years, I don't > >know whether or not Win2K's "Dos" capabilities would suffice. > > > >But you could still multi-boot into DOS when necessary > > Never has been necessary yet under Win95. A bit trickier under > OS/2. The only problem with Win95a (with all fixpacks) is that > after a while it gets gummed up (different thing every time) > and after a few days rebooting cures all the gumminess. > > Oh yes, another problem I have is that I can't reboot the > computer: it loops at the "wait" screen. I have to turn off > the 701. Desktop reboots fine. > > >(which is > >also true if you chose to use OS/2 or just about anything else that suits > >your whims). > > > > The "deeper" thinkpad content of this message is that the 701C > can be a legit machine: fabulous screen, good stability, > excellent suspend behaviour (even with PCMCIA cards in the > slots), good keyboard (MMV), great BIOS and setup access, good > sound, runs basic apps (email, browser, file manager, editor) > plenty fast, can even do RealAudio (get older version 4, don't > even think about version 6 or beyond), 6.4 GB hd and 40 MB RAM > capacity. Just don't promote it to its level of incompetence > (the Peter Principle). > > So, my wiener is smaller than yours but it is still a good > wiener. > > -- > cheers > Jonathan Berry > http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jul 17 01:00:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA19285 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 01:00:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA27127; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 01:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:59:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26937; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26916; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-2.smartworld.net (216.70.64.26 -> mrs-2-fix.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 00:58:55 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (2Cust59.tnt28.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.27.210.187]) by mrs-2.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA86593 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 01:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <397292C1.606EFAD2@mail.orion.org> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:59:45 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: correction References: <9b.7cec358.26a30671@aol.com> <39720D22.80008EDE@mail.orion.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > for transferring files back and forth. I got the HomeFree Wireless > Combo Pac which includes 1 PCMCIA and 1 PCI card for $47 on Diamond > Multimedia's auction site brand new (it normally runs $80 on Ebay and > retails for $179). Anyway, it works great and you can add additional Oops, I mistakenly said the Diamond HomeFree Wireless Combo Pac includes 1 PCMCIA and 1 PCI card. It does NOT, it includes 1 PCMCIA and 1 ISA. ISA is just fine for 1mbps transfer speeds, but come on, Diamond, most new PC's hardly have any ISA slots anymore! I am out of ISA slots so I had to buy the Combo Pac to get the PCMCIA card in my ThinkPad, and the Desktop Pac to get the PCI card for my desktop. Then I sold the 2 ISA cards on Ebay. However, a combo pac is all you'd need if you have ISA slots free in the desktop machine. BTW, the Diamond auction site is http://eauction.diamondmm.com BTW, thanks guys for the discussion on VNC. I downloaded it, and it is truly amazing! It even shows it when the screensaver kicks on on the desktop machine. Unfortunately, HomeFree Wireless is too slow to work well with VNC, but it does work and is sitll cool nonetheless. Shawn From cph Mon Jul 17 02:34:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA19746 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 02:34:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00110; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 02:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 02:31:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29945; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 02:31:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29932; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 02:31:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-1.smartworld.net (216.70.64.24 -> mrs-1-fix.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 02:31:30 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (2Cust59.tnt28.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.27.210.187]) by mrs-1.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA94114 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 02:31:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3972A872.DA8016A@mail.orion.org> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 01:32:18 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: Upgrading CPU in 760-series??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Is there any remote chance that the CPU module in the 760-series is a fully compliant Intel Mobile Module (first version)? I noticed the connectors look VERY similar. If this is the case, according to the Intel website, it would be possible to upgrade a 760-series to 266MHz with MMX. BTW, I also noticed the 755 series uses a similar looking connector on the CPU module as well. I'm tempted to experiment putting a 760 CPU module in a 755, but there are so many screws, I haven't bothered to try. Shawn From cph Mon Jul 17 03:59:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA20037 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 03:59:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03082; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 03:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 03:55:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02916; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 03:55:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-3.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02903; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 03:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-3.smartworld.net (216.70.64.34 -> mrs-3.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 03:55:11 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (2Cust59.tnt28.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.27.210.187]) by mrs-3.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA50028 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 03:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3972BC11.43D64348@mail.orion.org> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 02:56:01 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: Re: Upgrading CPU in 760-series??? References: <3972A872.DA8016A@mail.orion.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: "Shawn R. Lin" wrote: > > Is there any remote chance that the CPU module in the 760-series is a > fully compliant Intel Mobile Module (first version)? I noticed the > connectors look VERY similar. > > If this is the case, according to the Intel website, it would be > possible to upgrade a 760-series to 266MHz with MMX. Darn. Well, I spent the night disassembling and reassembling my 760C and it definitely is NOT compliant with the Intel Mobile Module. The connector looks similar, but is only 180-pins. The Intel Mobile Module has 280-pins. Oh well. Shawn From cph Mon Jul 17 05:34:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA20338 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 05:34:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09552; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 05:32:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 05:29:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09349; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 05:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA09336; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 05:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 05:29:52 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.73.247.120]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000717092948.YFTG14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:29:48 +0000 Message-ID: <003001bfefd1$173c62e0$78f7490c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Re: Booting DOS - three cheers for the 701C :-) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 04:26:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow To: Jonathan Berry Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Sunday, July 16, 2000 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Booting DOS - three cheers for the 701C :-) The 701 C/CS is quite a machine, even today. The max in memory, however, can be 64 Megs, the max in drive can be 13 Gigs, try EZ Drive/ EZ BIOS. Besides the few little quirks, it is still a viable option, faster than a Z50 in the internet. However one caution, some machines can not have the harddrive interchanged with others. I have swapped drives wih 701s before, to be greeted with grind,crunch,crackle,silence, not breakfast cereal but high-tech object ala junk. > > >Jonathan Berry wrote: > >> On my 701 (obligatory Thinkpad content), I never have to boot >> into DOS. All the DOS apps I have run fine as windows under >> Win95. Even Ventura Publisher 3 (over GEM over DOS over Win95 >> over DOS), and it runs speedily on this 486/75. >> >> Reboot every few days is way better than running an even more >> bloated OS. I've seen Win98 booting on 400 MHz Celeron class >> machines. It's way slower than my 701. What the heck is going >> on inside? >> >> >>I have a system that no >> >>longer needs to be reinstalled every couple of months. That is >> >>a relief. However, I find that I need to reboot every few >> >>days. It gets gummy in there. >> > >> > Perhaps consider Win2K. But with a 701 and presumably limited >> >memory... >> >> Tops out at 40 Meg. Win95a runs fine with 16 Meg. >> >> >that may not be a good idea. But you say you run a lot of DOS >> >apps, and having not run much of any kind of DOS apps in years, I don't >> >know whether or not Win2K's "Dos" capabilities would suffice. >> > >> >But you could still multi-boot into DOS when necessary >> >> Never has been necessary yet under Win95. A bit trickier under >> OS/2. The only problem with Win95a (with all fixpacks) is that >> after a while it gets gummed up (different thing every time) >> and after a few days rebooting cures all the gumminess. >> >> Oh yes, another problem I have is that I can't reboot the >> computer: it loops at the "wait" screen. I have to turn off >> the 701. Desktop reboots fine. >> >> >(which is >> >also true if you chose to use OS/2 or just about anything else that suits >> >your whims). >> > >> >> The "deeper" thinkpad content of this message is that the 701C >> can be a legit machine: fabulous screen, good stability, >> excellent suspend behaviour (even with PCMCIA cards in the >> slots), good keyboard (MMV), great BIOS and setup access, good >> sound, runs basic apps (email, browser, file manager, editor) >> plenty fast, can even do RealAudio (get older version 4, don't >> even think about version 6 or beyond), 6.4 GB hd and 40 MB RAM >> capacity. Just don't promote it to its level of incompetence >> (the Peter Principle). >> >> So, my wiener is smaller than yours but it is still a good >> wiener. >> >> -- >> cheers >> Jonathan Berry >> http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want > >-- >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > From cph Mon Jul 17 06:39:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA20670 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 06:39:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11654; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 06:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 06:34:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11412; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 06:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA11399; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 06:34:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 06:34:38 -0400 Received: from mwl ([32.101.34.207]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000071710335325200jce1ue>; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:33:53 +0000 Message-ID: <001401bfefda$924d1f20$cf226520@mwl> To: References: <3972A872.DA8016A@mail.orion.org> Subject: Re: Upgrading CPU in 760-series??? Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 06:34:20 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I believe on the 755 machines, such as a 755cd, changing the processor also requires changing the DC/DC board. I would imagine that most all TP's would require upgrading to a suitable internal power supply to meet the needs of the new processor. This is relevant to changing from DX4/100 to the P75 processor. However, if you are suggesting a change to a faster processor in the same "family" it sounds reasonable. Just a but expensive if you are wrong. I have contemplated upgrading my E24 Aptiva to a 300MHz/K1 but the thought of changing the jumpers to get the right internal chip voltage tends to limit this to only a thought. The present 200MHz/K1 is faster than 0MHz any day :-) From cph Mon Jul 17 08:08:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA21073 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:08:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16014; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:04:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15588; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15575; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:04:16 -0400 Received: from athe530-n154.otenet.gr (athe530-n154.otenet.gr [212.205.246.154]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6HC32O27783 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:03:02 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007171203.e6HC32O27783@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:01:57 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Running applications on other computers List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA16014 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA21074 On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 23:39:52 -0400 (EDT), Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: >VNC, simply put, is the SysAdmin's Godsend. And one *very* valuable >point is that, while the client is, indeed, available for multiple >computer platforms, it's also available for Java-enabled browsers. Which >means that you don't even /need/ the client; just walk up to someone's >desk, kick off Netscape, point it at (by default) hostname:5800 (5801 by >default for Unix servers, as 5800 is the equiv of :0, or the default >extant X session). Some additional features that Desktop On-Call has over VNC is the file transfer, since it can display the remove system file structure and you can download/upload files. Take a look at DTOC, it has more features than VNC, although its a commercial product. http://www.ibm.co.jp/pspjinfo/javadesk þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Jul 17 08:08:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA21081 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:08:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15945; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:02:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15395; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:02:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15382; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:02:14 -0400 Received: from athe530-n154.otenet.gr (athe530-n154.otenet.gr [212.205.246.154]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6HC0hO22373 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:00:43 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007171200.e6HC0hO22373@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:59:38 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200007170004.UAA20574@granger.mail.mindspring.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: OS Wars again... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA15945 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA21082 On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 20:12:28 -0400 (EDT), Allan Ballard wrote: >Somewhere I read that JFS would support partitions and files >to 10(?) gig and span disks? Could that be true? And what would one do with >such? Put big web files on it maybe? haha no thats not true. actualy JFS supports partitions that span over multiple harddrives upto 2T (yes you read well, TERABYTE :) And it can contain files of up to 2T max size too. Here is a short comparison between HPFS/HPFS386/JFS: Max volume size: JFS: 2T HPFS386: 64GB HPFS: 64GB Max file size: JFS: 2T HPFS386: 2GB HPFS: 2GB þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Jul 17 08:08:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA21085 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:08:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15933; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:03:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15454; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA15202; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 07:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 07:58:21 -0400 Received: from athe530-n154.otenet.gr (athe530-n154.otenet.gr [212.205.246.154]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6HBvZO14261 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:57:51 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007171157.e6HBvZO14261@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:56:29 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000716185701.03125@eng.amdahl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Desktop On-Call List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA15933 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA21086 On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:57:01 -0700, Serenella Ciongoli wrote: >> >That's something I've been looking for. Something that will >> >allow you to run an app on another computer in the (SOHO) >> >network. It *should* be easy! >Have a look at http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc. >VNC is a public domain application that allows you to have a "remote >console" on another computer. Both client and server run on multiple >platforms, as in MsWindows, Linux, Solaris etc. There is even an OS/2 >client. There is another program, like vnc but ten times better. Its called Desktop On-Call, latest version is 4 and can be found in http://www.ibm.co.jp/pspjinfo/javadesk. Although its a commercial product and vnc is free, but DTOC doesn't need a client to exist on the remove operating system because it uses your browser. So you can manage a remote system from almost anywhere. It comes for OS/2 and Windoze. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Jul 17 08:18:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA21180 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:18:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17199; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:15:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17066; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA17049; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.131.47 -> mill.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:15:39 -0400 Received: from kend-linux.cisco.com (kend@kend-linux.cisco.com [161.44.130.32]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA20883; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:15:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:15:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: Desktop On-Call In-Reply-To: <200007171157.e6HBvZO14261@athserv.otenet.gr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from QUOTED-PRINTABLE to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA21181 On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis wrote: > On Sun, 16 Jul 2000 18:57:01 -0700, Serenella Ciongoli wrote: > > There is another program, like vnc but ten times better. > > Its called Desktop On-Call, latest version is 4 and can be > found in http://www.ibm.co.jp/pspjinfo/javadesk. > Although its a commercial product and vnc is free, but DTOC > doesn't need a client to exist on the remove operating system > because it uses your browser. So you can manage a remote > system from almost anywhere. Ummm. No. For two reasons: 1) VNC (as I stated in my other e-mail) does support a Java-enabled browser. 2) VNC is free. When you install VNC on /every/ notebook, desktop and server across /all/ of Cisco, this feature cannot be overstated. The bottom line is, are there better products? Sure -- PC Anywhere, Timbuktu, the one you mention, etc., all have superior features (file transfers, faster screen updates, etc.) And, if I were doing nothing but remote-controlling a machine all day long, maybe I'd care. But, for going in to a server from home, and saving me having to drive in to troubleshoot, VNC rules. The same goes for the desktop support staff who don't have to go to folk's desktops when they can troubleshoot it from theirs, instead. In summary, while there are certainly better products, there aren't better /free/ products, and the differences between VNC and its commercial breathren aren't nearly large enough that they can't be worked around. VNC just wins, and it wins big. -Ken > It comes for OS/2 and Windoze. > > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ > > > From cph Mon Jul 17 08:41:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA21299 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:41:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19380; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:41:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:39:38 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19182; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:39:37 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id IAA02068 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16348; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:08:10 -0400 Received: from athe530-n154.otenet.gr (athe530-n154.otenet.gr [212.205.246.154]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6HC7dO08617 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:07:39 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007171207.e6HC7dO08617@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:06:34 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: oops List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id IAA19380 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA21300 sorry, my last email was not supposed to go in here :( þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Jul 17 11:49:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA22618 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:49:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06039; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:45:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05718; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05703; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (38.8.22.2 -> relay21.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:45:35 -0400 Received: from ntmail.doble.com ([204.215.186.11]) by relay21.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13ED5J-0004kw-00; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:45:33 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:24:05 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'chuck@ccncn.org'" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: IBM Thinkpad 510Cs Mini Color Notebook Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:24:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Blaisdell [mailto:cblaisd@tdl.com] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 5:46 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 510Cs Mini Color Notebook On 14 Jul 2000, at 18:13, Computer-Guru wrote: > does anyone know anything about the above laptop???? If memory serves (I had the 500 model), it's a 486/50. Don't remember the RAM. What speedy for its day. One pcmcia slot. External floppy. The 500 is the mono and the 510 the color. Came with Windows 3.1 Batteries were/are very hard to find. Hello, Did it have a pen option? I was at the MIT fleamarket last Sunday and someone was selling pens for either a 510 or a 710, I forgot exactly what model. I did not notice any batteries. I noticed that some of the older accessories like battery chargers and docking stations are starting to show up at ham radio fleamarkets (also some computer shows). They seem mostly for the real old stuff like the 701, 700, etc. Those 730T in a suitcase w/ printer are $50 dollars now and it is tempting. I am watching for a good deal on a 600 or later 700 series. Mostly I see people getting rid of 760EL units. I also seen some 760C. I would like to get something that has a 233MMX or better processor with a DVD. I guess it is about time to hit the data sheets and see which models to watch out for. It will replace a 365ED. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From cph Mon Jul 17 12:56:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA23173 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:56:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11400; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:54:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:51:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10957; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10944; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:50:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.40 -> mail1.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:50:59 -0400 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000717165058.HDVK316.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a> for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 09:50:58 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:50:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: OS Wars again... (Was: A20m vs. 600E - looking for input) Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <39730132.27295.1E16A40@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <200007161236.e6GCaGO19382@athserv.otenet.gr> References: <4.2.0.58.20000715224701.02429948@127.0.0.1> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: See http://www.vmware.com/products/productfaq.html Tom On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 23:04:55 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > Not that it matters. The name escapes me at the moment, but > there >is software out there that will run multiple OS's in memory and >switch between them at will (including Linux). OS/2 does it >with...oh yeah, DOS. Nothing else? Well...Win 3.x I guess... ------------ Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 Abacurial Information Technology Consulting 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Mon Jul 17 14:23:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA24514 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:23:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20334; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:22:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:20:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19996; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19980; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:20:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:20:38 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.197] (helo=139-142-112-197.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13EFVM-0008KZ-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:20:36 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Booting DOS - three cheers for the 701C :-) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:09:47 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <003001bfefd1$173c62e0$78f7490c@701c> In-Reply-To: <003001bfefd1$173c62e0$78f7490c@701c> Lines: 20 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: >However one caution, some machines can not have the harddrive interchanged >with others. >I have swapped drives wih 701s before, to be greeted with >grind,crunch,crackle,silence, not breakfast cereal but high-tech object ala >junk. You swapped a drive, that was running fine in one 701, and it died in another 701 ? Yikes. Any idea of the circumstances that might have given rise to the incompatibility? I have merrily swapped (IBM) drives between 701s with nary a care. I power off, and there is no disk management software on the HDs, but I don't take any precautions (assuming that precautions other than not doing it are possible). -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Mon Jul 17 14:26:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA24571 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:26:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20247; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:20:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20027; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20001; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:20:40 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.197] (helo=139-142-112-197.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13EFVN-0008KZ-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:20:38 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: OS Wars again... Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 10:34:17 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <200007171200.e6HC0hO22373@athserv.otenet.gr> In-Reply-To: <200007171200.e6HC0hO22373@athserv.otenet.gr> Lines: 37 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: >>Somewhere I read that JFS would support partitions and files >>to 10(?) gig and span disks? Could that be true? And what would one do with >>such? Put big web files on it maybe? > >haha no thats not true. > >actualy JFS supports partitions that span over multiple >harddrives upto 2T (yes you read well, TERABYTE :) > Estimated download time: 10 years, 7 months, 11 days, 15 hours, 27 minutes and 32 seconds. We hope that your FTP software supports resumption. OurRock Insurance Corporation offers both comprehensive Life/Medical, and Download Insurance at Competitive Rates. With a T-23 line from MegaBackbone Corp, you could complete this download in 45 seconds. Thinkpad users! Tired of toting the 100 DVDs that hold this file? 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Just pop in the tape, and your data query will be answered before you return from that wildlife safari in Africa. ... -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Mon Jul 17 14:54:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA24870 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:54:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23709; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:46:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23455; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23440; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:46:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:46:54 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA19378 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:46:50 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000f01bff01f$86bdc7a0$a862183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "thinkpad" References: <200007171157.e6HBvZO14261@athserv.otenet.gr> Subject: Re: Desktop On-Call Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:47:55 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: As much as I hate to contribute to a somewhat OT discussion... "There is another program, like vnc but ten times better. [...] It comes for OS/2 and Windoze." One nice feature of VNC is that if the server is on a Unix box running X, then rather than serving the client running X console (whatever that would mean on a multiuser/tasking system), it opens up a new X session on the client. In other words, it lets you use your laptop (or whatever client) as an X-windows terminal. Until the proggy you mention can do this, it is useless for the many of us who use a laptop for home stuff and a Unix network at the office. - David R. From cph Mon Jul 17 15:57:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA25548 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:57:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29076; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:51:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:49:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28753; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28731; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (209.235.102.26) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:49:35 -0400 Received: from OHSUYKXRD2386K ([137.53.68.115]) by asimov.dns-host.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA23028 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 15:49:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003401bff027$ff91f6d0$73443589@OHSUYKXRD2386K> From: "AC Brown" To: Subject: T20 Evaluation: Keyboard Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 12:47:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Date: 2000 Jul 17 To: From: AC Brown Subj: T20 Evaluation: Keyboard There are have been a number of questions on this board concerning the new IBM A20 and T20 computers, especially compared to previous models. I'm a long time Thinkpad user (750C, 755CD, 560, and 570), and I've had experience with Toshiba, Compaq, and Powerbook notebooks. I recently acquired a new T20 (2647-84U, Windows 2000), so I thought I'd post my impressions after almost three weeks of use. I plan several postings on the various aspects of the T20, especially compared with my previous Thinkpads. KEYBOARD Layout: The T20 keyboard layout is identical to previous Thinkpads. I consider this layout the best of any notebook computer and is one of the reasons I remain a Thinkpad loyalist. Feel: The keyboard feel, while good, initially did not seem up to the standard of the 570. The touch was a bit stiffer with less of the positive detent of the 570 and most other previous TPs. I felt I made more mistakes when typing rapidly on the T20 keyboard. However, either the keyboard is getting less stiff with use or I'm getting accustomed to its feel as my accuracy seems to be improving. Trackpoint: The Trackpoint joystick is the same as the 570, including the left and right buttons and the customizable center button, which can be used as either a web browser scroller or a magnifying glass or can be disabled. Extra keys: There are five extra keys. One is the power off-on switch, which is now located on the keyboard rather on the side of the computer. This switch also serves a reset button when held down for several seconds, an improvement over the 570's recessed switch activated by poking a bent paper clip through a hole in the case. Three of the extra buttons control the sound volume: increase, decrease, and mute. Pressing any of the sound buttons displays briefly a bar segment graph on the screen similar to the volume level display on a television set. The keys work well enough, but I don't find them better than the thumbwheel volume control on the TP 560 though they are superior to the Fn-PgUp/PgDn on the 570. The final extra key is labeled "Thinkpad"; when pressed, it brings up a Thinkpad help display and optionally connects to IBM's support web site for the user's particular model. This is convenient but could as well have been accomplished by shortcuts on the Windows desktop. I'll discuss the documentation and support in a later posting. Fn key commands: Using the Fn key in combination with the regular F keys permits blanking the screen (Fn-F3), selecting the display (internal, external, or both, Fn-F7), suspending (Fn-F4), and hibernating (Fn-F12). The Fn-F combinations are the same as on the 570, except that battery status (Fn-F2) and CPU speed (Fn-F11) are no longer present. Fn-Home/End adjusts the display brightness, again displayed as a bar segment graph on the screen, rather than the slider brightness control on the 570. Also, Fn-PgUp toggles the keyboard light. In sum, in my opinion the T20 keyboard is well designed and consistent with previous Thinkpads. Initially I was disappointed with the keyboard feel, but several weeks of use has either improved the feel or improved my skills. So overall, I'm satisfied with the T20 keyboard. From cph Mon Jul 17 16:16:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA25705 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:16:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01016; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:10:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00779; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from havenap.arl.army.mil (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00685; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:09:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from havenap.arl.army.mil (131.218.32.239 -> havenap.arl.army.mil) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:09:27 -0400 Subject: RE: Lucent Modem Update To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: contact@snappersolutions.com, warmstrong@waldinc.com X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.4 June 8, 2000 Message-ID: From: "Robert Rosen" Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:08:00 -0400 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on havenap/arl(Release 5.0.3 |March 21, 2000) at 07/17/2000 04:09:27 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Downloaded it with no problem. Installed it with no problem. TP570/W98 ________________________ Robert Rosen Army Research Lab -----Original Message----- From: Will Lau [mailto:contact@snappersolutions.com] Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 11:51 PM Subject: RE: Modem update I downloaded it okay, but I cant get it to work on my Win2000 600x! Starting the extracted Setup file starts a query "update modem driver", YES -> a little progress bar starts and then the apps disappears! Anyone had more luck or can offer some insight? -----Original Message----- From: William Armstrong [mailto:warmstrong@waldinc.com] Sent: Saturday, 8 July 2000 6:58 AM To: ThinkPad List Subject: Modem update Anyone else have trouble downloading the Lucent modem update for W2K at the IBM website? I get to 99% complete and the download crashes. Just curious. From cph Mon Jul 17 16:33:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA25836 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:33:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02652; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:28:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:25:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02358; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02344; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:25:55 -0400 Received: from jnipper.fdn.com (jax10-223.leading.net [216.199.5.223]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04250 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3973956B.9FB@southeast.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:23:23 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Tech Support Problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi All, Just got off of the phone with IBM Tech Support. The Tech refused to admit that I got a defective battery when I bought my unit. I have only had my 1420i for less than 2 months, and the battery only holds a one hour charge. Plus, it looses all of its charge within a week of no use. The man said, "This is normal with the type of battery that came with your unit". (Ni-Mh) So, I really don't know where to go from here. He said that I will need to reformat and re-install Windows 98 before they will fix any of my other problems, that are in my opinion, HardWare Related. Anyone else had problems with Tech Support?? Thanks, Jim Ps- Looks like I will be going with a Dell Laptop, the next time. From cph Mon Jul 17 17:02:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA26041 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:02:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06532; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:58:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05999; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:58:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05986; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:58:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:58:54 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-129.gate.net [199.227.20.192]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA45036; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:58:51 -0400 Message-ID: <397373A4.6278E382@gate.net> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:59:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: pctech@southeast.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Tech Support Problems References: <3973956B.9FB@southeast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jim.. ask for an escalation to a supervisor.. don't be confrontational, just be sweet and nice and firm.. :-) Computer-Guru wrote: > Hi All, > > Just got off of the phone with IBM Tech Support. > > The Tech refused to admit that I got a defective battery when I bought > my unit. I have only had my 1420i for less than 2 months, and the > battery only holds a one hour charge. Plus, it looses all of its charge > within a week of no use. The man said, "This is normal with the type of > battery that came with your unit". (Ni-Mh) > > So, I really don't know where to go from here. He said that I will need > to reformat and re-install Windows 98 before they will fix any of my > other problems, that are in my opinion, HardWare Related. > > Anyone else had problems with Tech Support?? > > Thanks, > Jim > Ps- Looks like I will be going with a Dell Laptop, the next time. -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jul 17 17:06:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA26074 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:05:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06488; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:01:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:58:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05867; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front1.grolier.fr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05849; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from front1.grolier.fr (194.158.96.51 -> front1.grolier.fr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:58:01 -0400 Received: from TP600X (ppp-170-115.villette.club-internet.fr [195.36.170.115]) by front1.grolier.fr (8.9.3/No_Relay+No_Spam_MGC990224) with SMTP id WAA17854 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:57:53 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001101bff03a$1db89a30$13010185@TP600X> From: "Yves Soussi" To: Subject: A20P in Europe Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:58:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFF042.7F139200" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFF042.7F139200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I ordered an A20P last week and delivery time is end end of august Best regards Yves Soussi ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFF042.7F139200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I ordered an A20P last week and = delivery time is=20 end end of august
 
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BFF042.7F139200-- From cph Mon Jul 17 17:07:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA26086 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:07:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07444; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:04:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06998; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06980; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (209.235.102.26) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:04:21 -0400 Received: from OHSUYKXRD2386K ([137.53.68.115]) by asimov.dns-host.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA24044 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004201bff032$7562e630$73443589@OHSUYKXRD2386K> From: "AC Brown" To: Subject: T20 Evaluation: Case Temperature Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:03:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Date: 2000 Jul 17 To: From: AC Brown Subj: T20 Evaluation: Case Temperature There are have been a number of questions on this board concerning the new IBM A20 and T20 computers, especially compared to previous models. I'm a long time Thinkpad user (750C, 755CD, 560, and 570), and I've had experience with Toshiba, Compaq, and Powerbook notebooks. I recently acquired a new T20 (2647-84U, Windows 2000), so I thought I'd post my impressions after almost three weeks of use. I plan several postings on the various aspects of the T20, especially compared with my previous Thinkpads. THERMAL CHARACTERISTICS I measured the temperature at the hottest location on the bottom of the T20 case using a small disk thermistor taped to the case with "Magic" transparent tape and connected to a thermistor thermometer (Omega Engineering 700C). For these tests, the computer was running on AC power. Most of the measurements were made with the computer mounted on the T20/A20 port extender. When the computer is first powered on, the case temperature rises at about 1 C per minute until it reaches about 40 C, when the fan speeds up and maintains the temperature at 40 +/- 1 C most of the time. The fan is very quiet. However, once in a while, perhaps every 30-90 minutes, the temperature rises rapidly for a few minutes to 46 C or so before the fan brings the case down to the 40 C range. I consider these temperature spikes a defect for two reasons. First, rapid temperature cycling of 5-6 C and the resulting thermal expansion/contraction cannot be good for the electronics. Second, 45 C is the approximate threshold for causing cutaneous pain and injury. I contacted the IBM Help Center (800-772-2227) and asked about the temperature specifications for the T20 case but they had no information on the subject. I said that if the case normally got to 45 C or higher, a notice should accompany the computer warning against placement on bare skin because of possible injury. They suggested I return my computer for service but I've not done so yet. I'm interested in whether these temperature spikes are the result of a design defect or a problem with the thermal control system only in my computer. Has anyone else had problems with excessive heat? If the case becomes painful to touch, it's too hot! Also, I measured the internal temperature near the case hot spot by taping the thermistor probe to the middle of a PCCard (an Adaptec 1480A scsi controller) in the computer's top PCCard slot; the bottom slot was empty. The PCCard peaked at 52.9 C and showed rapid swings of 10 C in 7-10 minutes. The high temperature and thermal excursions seems to me to be likely to lead to problems, but I've no hard data on the matter. Any responses on T20/A20 case temperatures would be appreciated. AC Brown From cph Mon Jul 17 17:10:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA26119 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:10:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07983; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:06:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07316; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07303; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:06:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.117 -> pilot017.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:06:47 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.26]) by pilot017.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA27828 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:06:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000717165107.00e36a60@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:06:43 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Tech Support Problems In-Reply-To: <3973956B.9FB@southeast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Call IBM up again and ask to talk with a supervisor and explain the situation to them. The person you talked to does NOT know what they are talking about. In the PDF titled 'tibook.PDF' the complete specs for your 1420i is listed. Your non intelligent NiMH battery is rated for 2 hours of life; the intelligent Li-LON in the 1460 and my 1480 is supposed to last 3 hours. Given that you are at 50% of life after two months strongly suggests to me that the battery is not, and likely never was really good. I had something like this happen with my 1451i, for which I got a new battery, no questions asked. Something to remember when dealing with IBM is that when you get a response >from them that you don't think is right, ask to speak with a supervisor, and go over your problem completely with them, and see if that doesn't help things. Like many many other places, I get the feeling that IBM has the lower experiecnced people on the phones, with more advanced folks being 2nd and 3rd level support. You should definitely get a new battery. Don't be nasty, but do be insistent and if the first supervisor doesn't agree, polietly start walking up the chain of command. --STeve Andre' At 04:23 PM 7/17/00 -0700, Computer-Guru wrote: >Hi All, > >Just got off of the phone with IBM Tech Support. > >The Tech refused to admit that I got a defective battery when I bought >my unit. I have only had my 1420i for less than 2 months, and the >battery only holds a one hour charge. Plus, it looses all of its charge >within a week of no use. The man said, "This is normal with the type of >battery that came with your unit". (Ni-Mh) > >So, I really don't know where to go from here. He said that I will need >to reformat and re-install Windows 98 before they will fix any of my >other problems, that are in my opinion, HardWare Related. > > >Anyone else had problems with Tech Support?? > >Thanks, >Jim >Ps- Looks like I will be going with a Dell Laptop, the next time. From cph Mon Jul 17 17:57:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA26477 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:57:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11746; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:52:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:49:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11432; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11419; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:49:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:49:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA23014; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:47:50 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:47:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: AC Brown cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Evaluation: Case Temperature In-Reply-To: <004201bff032$7562e630$73443589@OHSUYKXRD2386K> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Though I have no temperature readings, I can confirm that the Adaptec 1480A gets very very hot in my T20. It gets so hot, I am surprised it still works. The heat is so extreme that I only pop in the card when I need it. On my previous laptop (Winbook XL2) I left it in all the time. On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, AC Brown wrote: > Also, I measured the internal temperature near the case hot spot by > taping the thermistor probe to the middle of a PCCard (an Adaptec 1480A > scsi controller) in the computer's top PCCard slot; the bottom slot was > empty. The PCCard peaked at 52.9 C and showed rapid swings of 10 C in > 7-10 minutes. The high temperature and thermal excursions seems to me > to be likely to lead to problems, but I've no hard data on the matter. -- Mitchell Leben Owner of digicam@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Digital Cameras. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe digicam' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Mon Jul 17 19:04:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA26965 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:04:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17144; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:57:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16428; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16399; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (150.203.2.15 -> leonard.anu.edu.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:56:58 -0400 Received: (from e720084@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA05502; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:56:43 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:56:42 +1000 (EST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Tech Support Problems -'defective battery' - T20 In-Reply-To: <3973956B.9FB@southeast.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > Just got off of the phone with IBM Tech Support. > > The Tech refused to admit that I got a defective battery when I bought > my unit. I have only had my 1420i for less than 2 months, and the > battery only holds a one hour charge. Plus, it looses all of its charge > within a week of no use. The man said, "This is normal with the type of > battery that came with your unit". (Ni-Mh) > i understand that the T20 model does not come with a battery compartment cover, for use when the battery is taken out and the machine run on AC. if so, and if such a cover is not purchasable, this would mean a choice of running the machine on AC without the battery with a big hole in the bottom, or running it on AC with the battery in all the time. if the latter would not this tend to shorten the battery life considerably? ... the drops in charge that would invariably occur if one forgot to plug in to AC before turning the machine on, then did so later, followed by the re-charge from partially empty to full. i am not sure what the memory characterisitics are of the Li-ion batteries, but they would seem to have some memory as full discharging and recharging are recommended in the relevant User's References. and there is the weight issue ... if one is just carrying one of these machines back-and-forth between home and work, from one AC outlet to another, why not leave the battery behind ... except that one would be left with a gaping hole in the underbelly of the machine. for my 755 and 760 i only charge the batteries prior to travelling, then fully discharged them before taking them out for storage and connecting the machine to AC. both batteries are still going strong. comments/suggestions welcomed. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From cph Mon Jul 17 19:09:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA27004 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:09:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17722; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:03:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17223; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:03:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17202; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:03:36 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA13378; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39738F7F.D44F90F3@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:58:07 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mitchell Leben CC: AC Brown , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Evaluation: Case Temperature References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a Cabletron 802.11DS wireless card that gets really, really hot in my T20. Still, it seems to work OK. It definitely gets hotter in the T20 than it did in my 300MHz 600. The bottom of the T20 definitely gets hotter than my 600, but I haven't found it unbearable on my lap, even wearing shorts. I typically run Linux and keep the CPU at full speed. (I get about 3h out of the battery.) --Lee Hetherington From cph Mon Jul 17 19:20:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA27064 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:20:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18772; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:19:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:15:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18379; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18354; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 19:15:04 -0400 Received: from accumedia.com (houdini.accumedia.com [172.16.0.4]) by server.accumedia.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6HMZkg02837; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 16:35:46 -0600 Thread-Index: Ab/wMredWPL5yLb1RESMQQdbXtJH5QAEfm3w content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "AC Brown" , Subject: RE: T20 Evaluation: Case Temperature Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 17:14:55 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A086E9C@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: T20 Evaluation: Case Temperature X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA27065 If I had access to the measurement equipment, I would try to measure mine. My guess is that your findings are typical, since the heat is enough to cause discomfort through khakis. I haven't noticed the cycling, but I haven't been looking for it, either. ssh From cph Mon Jul 17 21:07:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA27639 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:07:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25369; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:03:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24895; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:03:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24882; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:03:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA45168; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:05:15 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Tech Support Problems -'defective battery' - T20 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Alden S Klovdahl wrote: > and there is the weight issue ... if one is just carrying one of these > machines back-and-forth between home and work, from one AC outlet to > another, why not leave the battery behind ... except that one would be > left with a gaping hole in the underbelly of the machine. > > comments/suggestions welcomed. Some things to think about: If you leave the battery installed, you have the following benefits: 1) A built-in UPS for those unexpected power outages 2) The ability to use the machine on battery if desired (but previously unexpected and unplanned for) 3) Improved health (the extra exercise is good for your muscles and heart) -- David Goldman From cph Mon Jul 17 21:07:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA27643 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:07:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25362; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:03:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24831; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24818; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (195.170.0.2 -> ns1.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 21:03:05 -0400 Received: from athe530-n154.otenet.gr (athe530-e096.otenet.gr [212.205.247.96]) by ns1.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6I132Z15762 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:03:03 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007180103.e6I132Z15762@ns1.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 04:01:57 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <004201bff032$7562e630$73443589@OHSUYKXRD2386K> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: T20 Evaluation: Case Temperature List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id VAA25362 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id VAA27644 On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:03:18 -0700, AC Brown wrote: >Also, I measured the internal temperature near the case hot spot by >taping the thermistor probe to the middle of a PCCard (an Adaptec 1480A >scsi controller) in the computer's top PCCard slot; the bottom slot was >empty. The PCCard peaked at 52.9 C and showed rapid swings of 10 C in >7-10 minutes. The high temperature and thermal excursions seems to me >to be likely to lead to problems, but I've no hard data on the matter. >Any responses on T20/A20 case temperatures would be appreciated. I have a TP600E, and i live in two countries, in Greece and in England. Right now i'm in Greece, with a temperatur of 42C under shadow, and a lot more under the sun. My 600E never heated to extreme levels in England where the weather is cold and the temperature inside the house is faily cool. Right now in Greece it gets rather hot, but never hot enough to be painful on my skin, or to cause problems in any other way. I'm running RC5 24/7 on it, and its turned on all the time. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Jul 17 22:06:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA27918 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:06:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01668; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:02:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01331; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:02:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01317; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:02:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:02:51 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id WAA13701; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:02:49 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id WAA14885; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000717184810.02472ef8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 18:54:31 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Tech Support Problems -'defective battery' - T20 In-Reply-To: References: <3973956B.9FB@southeast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:56 AM 7/18/2000 +1000, you wrote: > > my unit. I have only had my 1420i for less than 2 months, and the > > battery only holds a one hour charge. Plus, it looses all of its charge > > within a week of no use. The man said, "This is normal with the type of > > battery that came with your unit". (Ni-Mh) >if so, and if such a cover is not purchasable, this would mean a choice of >running the machine on AC without the battery with a big hole in the bottom, >or running it on AC with the battery in all the time. if the latter would >not this tend to shorten the battery life considerably? ... the drops in >charge that would invariably occur if one forgot to plug in to AC before >turning the machine on, then did so later, followed by the re-charge from >partially empty to full. It was indeed a problem on the earlier TP's (I really burned up a battery on the TP 750C by leaving it plugged in all the time. It would drain slowly to something under 100%, then charge back up, drain slowly again...etc.) The good news is (a) Li-Ion batteries don't discharge themselves as readily as NiMH batts do, (b) The "Memory Effect" is significantly diminished over NiMH batts, and (c) the charging circuitry is smarter now than it was earlier. In a nutshell, I haven't had any "kill the battery" problems since...oh, barring a few odd issues with the 701, since that 750. That means my 560, 600, and now 1-month old T20, didn't seem to have that problem. From cph Mon Jul 17 23:49:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA28309 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:49:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06431; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:44:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06036; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06014; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:44:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 17 Jul 2000 23:44:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA01027; Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:43:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 22:43:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: I Lee Hetherington cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Evaluation: Case Temperature In-Reply-To: <39738F7F.D44F90F3@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Oooh, can you tell me more about your Linux setup? Which distribution? Do you have support for video, network, and sound? I am a RedHat fan, and would like to dual boot with Win98SE. Does Linux have greater control over CPU speed on the T20 than SpeedStep? On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, I Lee Hetherington wrote: > found it unbearable on my lap, even wearing shorts. I typically run > Linux and keep the CPU at full speed. (I get about 3h out of the > battery.) -Mitch --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mitchell Leben Owner of epson-inkjet@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for all Epson Inkjet Printers. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe epson-inkjet' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Tue Jul 18 03:00:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA29053 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:00:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13439; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 03:00:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:56:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13145; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA13131; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:56:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:56:43 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-36.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.36]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA01483 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000718025947.015d5c10@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 02:59:47 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Tech Support Problems In-Reply-To: <397373A4.6278E382@gate.net> References: <3973956B.9FB@southeast.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:59 PM 07/17/2000 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >Jim.. > >ask for an escalation to a supervisor.. >don't be confrontational, just be sweet and nice and firm.. :-) ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >Computer-Guru wrote: > >> Hi All, >> >> Just got off of the phone with IBM Tech Support. >> >> The Tech refused to admit that I got a defective battery when I bought >> my unit. I have only had my 1420i for less than 2 months, and the >> battery only holds a one hour charge. Plus, it looses all of its charge >> within a week of no use. The man said, "This is normal with the type of >> battery that came with your unit". (Ni-Mh) >> Anyone else had problems with Tech Support?? Er, what is he, a melon? >;-P Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Jul 18 07:53:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA29862 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:53:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29417; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:48:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29091; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:48:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA29078; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:48:11 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA16669; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <397443E1.AA274500@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 07:47:45 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mitchell Leben CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Evaluation: Case Temperature References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I am running Red Hat 6.1 but build my own kernels (currently 2.2.17-pre11 with APM enabled, but I have also had luck with some of the 2.4.0-tests). X is running great at 32-bit (or is it 24-bit? -- can't remember) color, but I had to upgrade my RPMS to XFree 3.3.6 and then install the X server from www.s3p.co.uk to get full support out of the S3 Savage IX. The built-in networking works great using the eepro driver. I haven't tried sound yet, but it appears that there might be kernel support and/or ALSA support. I haven't tried to do anything with the built-in modem, but I am not terribly hopeful as it must be a winmodem. --Lee Hetherington From cph Tue Jul 18 09:44:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA30377 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:44:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10259; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:43:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:41:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09991; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:41:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09978; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 09:41:29 -0400 Received: from davidreidmob (tnt10-216-180-65-235.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.235]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0.Beta3/8.11.0.Beta3) with SMTP id e6IDfRZ04583 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:41:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001801bff0bd$e2ba2b40$eb41b4d8@davidreidmob> From: "David Reid" To: References: <3973956B.9FB@southeast.net> <3.0.6.32.20000718025947.015d5c10@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: Tech Support Problems Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 08:41:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: OOoooo we should'a saw that one coming . . . . > . . . just be sweet and nice and firm.. :-) > Er, what is he, a melon? >;-P From cph Tue Jul 18 15:30:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA00324 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:30:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13318; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:29:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:27:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13015; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12668; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:24:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (209.235.102.26) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:24:26 -0400 Received: from OHSUYKXRD2386K ([137.53.68.115]) by asimov.dns-host.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA17801; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002801bff0ed$ac13fe10$73443589@OHSUYKXRD2386K> From: "AC Brown" To: , "Paul" Subject: Re: T20 Evaluation: Keyboard Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:23:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Date: 2000 Jul 18 To: , From: AC Brown Subj: Re: T20 Evaluation: Keyboard Confirmed; there is no way to power on the computer when the display lid is closed, with the exception of when the T20 is attached to the port extender. The port extender has a separate power switch, so it is possible to power on the T20 with the lid open or closed (I just tried and it works). Of course, the computer must be connected to the port extender for this to be useful. When the computer is turned on with the lid closed using the port extender switch, the screen remains off and stays off even if the lid is later opened, although the screen can be turned on using the display toggle (Fn-F7). In contrast, if the computer is powered on using the keyboard switch, the screen goes off when the lid is closed but turns on automatically when the lid is reopened. Note that I'm running Windows 2000, but I assume the above holds for other operating systems, also. AC Brown ============================================================================ = Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:03:24 -0700 From: Paul Subject: Re: T20 Evaluation: Keyboard To: AC Brown Thanks for the great report. It appears from your description that there is no longer a way to power on the computer when the display lid is closed. This would seem to be a step backward for people that frequently use their machines with an external display, perhaps when docked. Can you please confirm this? Paul From cph Tue Jul 18 15:36:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA00368 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:36:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14012; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:34:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13772; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:34:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13758; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:34:14 -0400 Received: from matrix ([32.100.117.30]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000071819332725200g1av5e>; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:33:28 +0000 From: "David Lee" To: Subject: How happy are you with the thinkpad T20? Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:31:12 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002801bff0ed$ac13fe10$73443589@OHSUYKXRD2386K> List-Unsubscribe: In the next few weeks I have to return my IBM thinkpad 600x back to my company. So I'm thinking about getting a personal T20 since I really liked the 600x. Are there any weird quirks with the T20 and overall how happy are you with the T20? From cph Tue Jul 18 16:48:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA00926 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:48:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20991; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:43:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20542; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:43:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20515; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:43:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (195.170.0.2 -> ns1.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:43:35 -0400 Received: from athe530-e165.otenet.gr (athe530-e022.otenet.gr [212.205.247.22]) by ns1.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6IKhWZ15390 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:43:32 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007182043.e6IKhWZ15390@ns1.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 23:42:24 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <002801bff0ed$ac13fe10$73443589@OHSUYKXRD2386K> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: T20 Evaluation: Keyboard List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id QAA20991 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA00927 On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:23:25 -0700, AC Brown wrote: >Confirmed; there is no way to power on the computer when the display >lid is closed, with the exception of when the T20 is attached to the >port extender. Is that a limitation of the T20 only? since i can powerup/powerdown my 600E with the display lid closed. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Tue Jul 18 16:55:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA01023 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:55:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21810; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:52:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21612; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21588; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 16:52:29 -0400 Received: from accumedia.com (houdini.accumedia.com [172.16.0.4]) by server.accumedia.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6IKCsg05242; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:12:59 -0600 Thread-Index: Ab/w+QXVQPm6/+VMSfCCBnfwnkWUoQAABQ4w content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" , "thinkpad" Subject: RE: T20 Evaluation: Keyboard Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 14:46:38 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A086EC5@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: T20 Evaluation: Keyboard X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA01024 Yes. The T20 power switch is on the keyboard at the top, under the display when the lid is closed. No power switch on the outside of the machine. The thing that is a bother to me is that I can't dock/undock and have the monitor switch easily. Instead, I have to doc, unsuspend, and hit Fn-F7 until the monitor comes live. Bother. ssh -----Original Message----- From: Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis [mailto:sehh@altered.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 16:42 To: thinkpad Subject: Re: T20 Evaluation: Keyboard On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:23:25 -0700, AC Brown wrote: >Confirmed; there is no way to power on the computer when the display >lid is closed, with the exception of when the T20 is attached to the >port extender. Is that a limitation of the T20 only? since i can powerup/powerdown my 600E with the display lid closed. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Tue Jul 18 18:24:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA01645 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:23:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28591; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:20:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28252; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28238; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:20:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.240 -> mta6.snfc21.pbi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:20:26 -0400 Received: from portege.rahul.net ([216.100.33.146]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FXW00LYUZ8CB0@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:17:07 -0700 From: Paul Subject: RE: T20 Evaluation: Keyboard In-reply-to: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A086EC5@houdini.accumedia.c om> X-Sender: mercer@pop.rahul.net To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000718151101.03389090@pop.rahul.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA01646 Does the Thinkpad have a utility to allow the mapping of FN keys to another modifier? This is important for switching the monitor output device when used in a docked environment and the display lid is closed. Toshiba includes such a feature in it's BIOS and I have left shift-alt emulating the FN key. The 600 series didn't have the power on problem since they had a power switch on the side of the machine, accessible when the lid is closed. Also, does the T20 still have the slightly disturbing BIOS from the 600 series (and possibly most of their laptops from that era) which uses the trackpoint and include goofy cursors like a bird with flapping wings? Not what you'd expected in a $3K+ sleek black machine. Toshiba also has a very ugly to look at and use BIOS. Paul At 02:46 PM 7/18/2000 -0600, you wrote: >Yes. The T20 power switch is on the keyboard at the top, under the >display when the lid is closed. No power switch on the outside of the >machine. > >The thing that is a bother to me is that I can't dock/undock and have >the monitor switch easily. Instead, I have to doc, unsuspend, and hit >Fn-F7 until the monitor comes live. Bother. > >ssh > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis [mailto:sehh@altered.com] >Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2000 16:42 >To: thinkpad >Subject: Re: T20 Evaluation: Keyboard > > >On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 12:23:25 -0700, AC Brown wrote: > > >Confirmed; there is no way to power on the computer when the display > >lid is closed, with the exception of when the T20 is attached to the > >port extender. > >Is that a limitation of the T20 only? since i can powerup/powerdown >my 600E with the display lid closed. > >þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ >þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Tue Jul 18 18:24:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA01650 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:24:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28743; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:22:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28367; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28353; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.240 -> mta6.snfc21.pbi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 18:22:01 -0400 Received: from portege.rahul.net ([216.100.33.146]) by mta6.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0FXW00L8RZ2IBE@mta6.snfc21.pbi.net> for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:13:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 15:13:43 -0700 From: Paul Subject: Re: T20 Evaluation: Keyboard X-Sender: mercer@pop.rahul.net To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000718151339.0522d820@pop.rahul.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the thorough followup! These operational details are never in the specs or reviews and Thinkpads are hard to find for hands on eval so fellow users are the best source of info. The hard to access power switch is a pain though it is mitigated slightly by the port replicator. From your report, they appear to have most of the other lid/screen interaction details correct. I am a big fan of the sub 3 lbs laptop segment and have owned 3 models of the Sony 505. I decided to skip the latest generation (SR7K) because their attention to this type of detail is terrible. They also moved their previous excellent slider power switch from the side of the machine to below the keyboard. There apparently is no way to wake the Sony up without opening the lid. My new hope is the new Portege 3480CT. Also regarding your report on heat -- I gather you are using Linux. I currently use Win2K on a Portege 7140CT and it has ACPI so the CPU is sleeping when no tasks are scheduled. Paul At 12:23 PM 7/18/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Date: 2000 Jul 18 >To: , >From: AC Brown >Subj: Re: T20 Evaluation: Keyboard > >Confirmed; there is no way to power on the computer when the display >lid is closed, with the exception of when the T20 is attached to the >port extender. > >The port extender has a separate power switch, so it is possible to >power on the T20 with the lid open or closed (I just tried and it >works). Of course, the computer must be connected to the port extender >for this to be useful. > >When the computer is turned on with the lid closed using the port >extender switch, the screen remains off and stays off even if the lid is >later opened, although the screen can be turned on using the display >toggle (Fn-F7). In contrast, if the computer is powered on using the >keyboard switch, the screen goes off when the lid is closed but turns on >automatically when the lid is reopened. > >Note that I'm running Windows 2000, but I assume the above holds for other >operating systems, also. > >AC Brown > >============================================================================ >= > >Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 14:03:24 -0700 >From: Paul >Subject: Re: T20 Evaluation: Keyboard >To: AC Brown > >Thanks for the great report. > >It appears from your description that there is no longer a way to power on >the computer when the display lid is closed. This would seem to be a step >backward for people that frequently use their machines with an external >display, perhaps when docked. Can you please confirm this? > >Paul From cph Tue Jul 18 19:07:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA01886 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:07:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01591; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:02:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01326; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:02:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01313; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail7.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.57 -> mail7.wlv.netzero.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:02:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 28943 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2000 23:02:52 -0000 Received: from dialup-209.244.211.91.washington2.level3.net (HELO hz2) (209.244.211.91) by mail7.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 18 Jul 2000 23:02:52 -0000 From: "Oscar G. Farah" To: Subject: RE: IBM wireless phone connection Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:04:44 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bff10c$8fb700e0$5bd3f4d1@hz2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4029.2901 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39720D22.80008EDE@mail.orion.org> List-Unsubscribe: The one I have is made by Panasonic. It still won't work for you: although the part that hooks to your laptop is rechargeable-battery operated, the part that connect to the telephone line and that also serves as a charger is connected to the AC line (no batteries). As for my unit, when I ordered it I had a lot of plans for it but when it finally arrived (it was back ordered), I had lost interest. I have yet to use it!!! Oscar > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn R. Lin [mailto:slin01@mail.orion.org] > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2000 3:30 PM > To: Kernow62@aol.com > Cc: thinkpad > Subject: Re: IBM wireless phone connection > > > Kernow62@aol.com wrote: > > > > Does anyone use one of these? What are peoples opinion on the product? > > Where can you get it at? I've looked all over for it. Found 2 mail > order places that listed it for $40, but they were out of stock. I > found one place that occasionally sells them on Ebay, but their price is > $80 (yikes!!!). All I've heard is the actual manufacturer may be > Panasonic and it uses Panasonic rechargeable batteries. > > > I am primarily interested in using it for staying connected to > the web with > > reasonable safety during our all too frequent lightening storms here in > > Central Florida. > > I wanted it because I hate cords, they're a hazard and easy to trip > over, so totally wireless freedom would be nice, but I could never find > the wireless phone connection. > > > Other alternatives or ideas would be very welcome. Anyone have > a source for > > this product? > > No source, but I did find an alternative. However, my alternative > requires you to own a desktop PC. I use Diamond Multimedia's HomeFree > Wireless Network. It is an extra long PCMCIA card that plugs into the > laptop and sticks out about an inch. On the PC end, I have a PCI > HomeFree card (although the HomeFree Wireless Combo Pac usually comes > one PCMCIA and one ISA). I am able to get on the Internet via my > desktop PC's modem totally wirelessly. I can also access any drives and > the printer hooked up to my desktop machine. HomeFree wireless uses > 2.4GHz for 1mbps transfer rate which is plenty good enough for printer > sharing and sharing the desktop's 56k modem. However, it's a bit slow > for transferring files back and forth. I got the HomeFree Wireless > Combo Pac which includes 1 PCMCIA and 1 PCI card for $47 on Diamond > Multimedia's auction site brand new (it normally runs $80 on Ebay and > retails for $179). Anyway, it works great and you can add additional > wireless machines to the network. I plan to get another ThinkPad > networked so my girlfriend and I can use the internet simultaneously > without wires. There is better wireless cards that use the 802.11b > (11mbps) wireless standard, but those cards run $200-250 PER MACHINE so > it'll be awhile before I upgrade. > > Shawn > ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________ From cph Tue Jul 18 19:37:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA02135 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:37:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03963; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:34:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03700; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03684; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:34:50 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA23590; Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:34:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3974E990.A79D64B1@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:34:40 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Evaluation: Keyboard References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000718151339.0522d820@pop.rahul.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: In Linux the processor sleeps when no tasks are running by using the HLT instruction (which I believe sleeps until an interrupt arrives). In my experience, with a 600, I would get battery life with Linux at least as long as Windows 98/2000. --Lee Hetherington From cph Wed Jul 19 00:05:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA03478 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:05:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18095; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:04:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:02:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17844; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17830; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 00:02:24 -0400 Received: from laptop ([32.102.121.59]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000071904022123903duep4e>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:02:22 +0000 Message-ID: <000501bff136$0569a1c0$3b796620@laptop> Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: Win ME on a Thinkpad 600E Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2000 22:01:28 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I have tried a fresh install of Windows Millenium Edition on my 600E, but can't get the mwave modem to work. Upon boot-up I get an error "MWME0001: Modem Internal Error". Anyone else experimenting with Win ME get it working on this model? From cph Wed Jul 19 05:22:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA04568 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:22:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04402; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:21:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:17:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04088; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:17:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04075; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:17:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (150.203.2.15 -> leonard.anu.edu.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:17:34 -0400 Received: (from e720084@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04404; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:17:25 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:17:24 +1000 (EST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Tech Support Problems -'defective battery' - T20 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: thanks for your suggestions but i'd prefer to be able to leave the battery out. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, David Goldman wrote: > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000, Alden S Klovdahl wrote: > > and there is the weight issue ... if one is just carrying one of these > > machines back-and-forth between home and work, from one AC outlet to > > another, why not leave the battery behind ... except that one would be > > left with a gaping hole in the underbelly of the machine. > > > > comments/suggestions welcomed. > > Some things to think about: > If you leave the battery installed, you have the following benefits: > 1) A built-in UPS for those unexpected power outages > 2) The ability to use the machine on battery if desired (but previously > unexpected and unplanned for) > 3) Improved health (the extra exercise is good for your muscles and heart) > > -- > David Goldman > > Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From cph Wed Jul 19 05:35:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA04611 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:35:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04969; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:33:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04859; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA04845; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (150.203.2.15 -> leonard.anu.edu.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 05:32:49 -0400 Received: (from e720084@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA04639; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:31:49 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:31:48 +1000 (EST) To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List Subject: Re: Tech Support Problems -'defective battery' - T20 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000717184810.02472ef8@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: the T20 manual reads as follows: "Extending the life of your computer's battery .... The following tips can help you to extend the life of your battery: . Do not recharge the battery pack until all of its power is used. Recharging a battery pack that is not completely discharged can shorten battery life. . Once you start charging the battery pack, do not use it until it is fully charged. ...." so, if you keep your battery in, because of the absence of a battery compartment cover, you invariably reduce the life of your battery. if you take your battery out to extend its life, because of the absence of a battery cover you risk damage to T20's 'underbelly'? that doesn't strike me as an ideal choice. looking at a T20 battery, it seems it would be fairly straighforward either to take the cover (before its 'glued' to the battery itself) and provide that as a battery compartment cover, or alternatively, glue this cover to a plastic 'waffle/eggcrate' piece (for greater strength) and provide this as a battery compartment cover. unbundle it and sell it, fine, but make it available for anyone who wants it. regards, al > > > my unit. I have only had my 1420i for less than 2 months, and the > > > battery only holds a one hour charge. Plus, it looses all of its charge > > > within a week of no use. The man said, "This is normal with the type of > > > battery that came with your unit". (Ni-Mh) > > > >if so, and if such a cover is not purchasable, this would mean a choice of > >running the machine on AC without the battery with a big hole in the bottom, > >or running it on AC with the battery in all the time. if the latter would > >not this tend to shorten the battery life considerably? ... the drops in > >charge that would invariably occur if one forgot to plug in to AC before > >turning the machine on, then did so later, followed by the re-charge from > >partially empty to full. > > It was indeed a problem on the earlier TP's (I really burned up a > battery on the TP 750C by leaving it plugged in all the time. It would > drain slowly to something under 100%, then charge back up, drain slowly > again...etc.) > > The good news is (a) Li-Ion batteries don't discharge themselves > as readily as NiMH batts do, (b) The "Memory Effect" is significantly > diminished over NiMH batts, and (c) the charging circuitry is smarter now > than it was earlier. > > In a nutshell, I haven't had any "kill the battery" problems > since...oh, barring a few odd issues with the 701, since that 750. That > means my 560, 600, and now 1-month old T20, didn't seem to have that problem. > Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From cph Wed Jul 19 09:07:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA05512 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:07:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14560; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:03:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14244; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout.bashan.co.il (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14225; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout.bashan.co.il (207.232.58.5 -> bashan-1.ser.netvision.net.il) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:03:07 -0400 Received: by mail.local with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:02:27 +0200 Message-ID: <30D3BE0D35E6D01199AA00805FA1B8F149F81B@bashanaf.local> From: Eliezer Birinbom To: "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: Reusing memory Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 16:02:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01BFF189.F8792E90" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01BFF189.F8792E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="WINDOWS-1255" Hi, I have a TP770x with 256m of memory. Can I reuse all or some of the memory on a new TP600 computer ? Thanks, Eliezer Birinbom Bashan Systems Tel: +972 (03) 9386914 Fax: +972 (03) 9023645 Mobile: +972 (053) 465781 mailto:eliezerb@bashan.co.il <> ------_=_NextPart_000_01BFF189.F8792E90 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Eliezer Birinbom.vcf" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Eliezer Birinbom.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Birinbom;Eliezer FN:Eliezer Birinbom ORG: ;IGT TITLE:Lab Manager NOTE: TEL;WORK;VOICE:(03) 9386914 TEL;WORK;VOICE: TEL;HOME;VOICE: TEL;CELL;VOICE:(053) 465781 TEL;PAGER;VOICE: TEL;HOME: ADR;WORK:;Afek; ; ; ; ; LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:Afek=0D=0A =0D=0A , =0D=0A EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:eliezerb@bashan.co.il REV:20000112T171555Z END:VCARD ------_=_NextPart_000_01BFF189.F8792E90-- From cph Wed Jul 19 11:57:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA06748 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:56:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27976; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:54:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27686; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27672; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:54:25 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA14231; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:54:23 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA02882; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:54:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000719084427.02485e30@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 08:53:43 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Tech Support Problems -'defective battery' - T20 In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000717184810.02472ef8@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 07:31 PM 7/19/2000 +1000, you wrote: >the T20 manual reads as follows: > >"Extending the life of your computer's battery > .... > The following tips can help you to extend the life of your battery: > > . Do not recharge the battery pack until all of its power is used. > Recharging a battery pack that is not completely discharged can > shorten battery life. > > . Once you start charging the battery pack, do not use it until it > is fully charged. > > ...." > >so, if you keep your battery in, because of the absence of a battery >compartment cover, you invariably reduce the life of your battery. That's not true--you're reading too much into the manual's statement. What it *says* is that (a) its best not to re-charge the battery until you've emptied it, and (b) if the battery is only partially charged, its best to fully charge it before using it (on battery). Keeping the battery in the machine doesn't affect either of these options in and of itself. Rather, it is your usage pattern of the battery that affects it. Something I've noticed in my own T20 is that it takes weeks for the battery to in any way "self-dischage" (Li-Ions are much better at holding their charge compared to Ni-MH batteries). Furthermore, the battery charging mechanism doesn't kick in unless the battery is significantly discharged (I've sat there and watched my battery hold at 93%--obviously partially discharged to a small extent--without the charging mechanism kicking in to bring it back up to 100%. In summary, unlike the 750C I once had, the T20 (for that matter, the 560 and 600) does not "bounce charge" (and therefore *kill*) the battery. >if you take your battery out to extend its life, because of the absence >of a battery cover you risk damage to T20's 'underbelly'? Again, you *don't* have to take the battery out to extend its life. >looking at a T20 battery, it seems it would be fairly straighforward >either to take the cover (before its 'glued' to the battery itself) >and provide that as a battery compartment cover, or alternatively, >glue this cover to a plastic 'waffle/eggcrate' piece (for greater >strength) and provide this as a battery compartment cover. They have simple waffle-type spacers for use in the Ultrabay. You're right--it should be a simple matter to make a "spacer" for use in the battery compartment. But it doesn't need to be there to save the battery--just to lighten the load for those who don't need one. From cph Wed Jul 19 12:45:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07104 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:45:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02597; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:43:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02328; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02315; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:42:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.tsoft.com (198.144.192.5 -> shell.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:42:59 -0400 Received: from NewPad (m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com [198.144.205.90]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA16550; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:41:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Michael Geary" To: "AC Brown" , , "Paul" Subject: RE: T20 power switch, display, and top Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 09:41:42 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002801bff0ed$ac13fe10$73443589@OHSUYKXRD2386K> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: > Note that I'm running Windows 2000, but I assume the above holds for other > operating systems, also. Don't count on it. Each OS has its own drivers for this power and display management, and each one may have its own quirks. For example, on my 600, closing the lid with Win95/98/NT4 always turns off the backlight immediately as it should. Windows 2000 has a major bug: The backlight stays on when you close the lid--it doesn't go off until there have been enough idle minutes, just as if the lid were open. Oddly enough, Windows 2000 does work correctly on my 600E--the backlight does go off when you close the lid. -Mike From cph Wed Jul 19 12:47:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07116 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:47:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03125; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:44:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02550; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.internal (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02446; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:44:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.internal (209.166.154.244 -> isdn244.vocollect.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:44:31 -0400 Received: from brianb (brianb.internal [172.31.6.12]) by mail.internal (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA29167 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:45:58 -0400 From: "Brian Bender" To: "Thinkpads list \(E-mail\)" Subject: RE: Tech Support Problems -'defective battery' - T20 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:45:01 -0400 Message-ID: <004901bff1a0$aef338e0$1427a8c0@brianb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: A question to you guys who like to leave the batteries out: Do you then plug the AC adapter into a proper UPS? If not, why the heck are you defeating one of the great unsung features of a notebook PC (the built-in UPS)? Is the work you're doing that unimportant? Or are you just used to your OS locking up all the time and hoping the disk is clean or repairable when it reboots anyway? (KIDDING! I was KIDDING!!!! I'm just poking fun at the flame-war threads with that last comment! If anyone was offended: grow a sense of humor already...) Seriously, though, _I_ wouldn't spend any significant time on _any_ machine without a UPS. - Brian Bender Pittsburgh, PA, USA TP600: 10GB HDD, 224MB RAM, WinNT5 / Slack7 Linux dual-booting nicely. One battery or the other _always_ installed. -----Original Message----- From: Alden S Klovdahl [mailto:Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 5:32 AM To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP List Subject: Re: Tech Support Problems -'defective battery' - T20 the T20 manual reads as follows: "Extending the life of your computer's battery .... The following tips can help you to extend the life of your battery: . Do not recharge the battery pack until all of its power is used. Recharging a battery pack that is not completely discharged can shorten battery life. . Once you start charging the battery pack, do not use it until it is fully charged. ...." so, if you keep your battery in, because of the absence of a battery compartment cover, you invariably reduce the life of your battery. if you take your battery out to extend its life, because of the absence of a battery cover you risk damage to T20's 'underbelly'? that doesn't strike me as an ideal choice. looking at a T20 battery, it seems it would be fairly straighforward either to take the cover (before its 'glued' to the battery itself) and provide that as a battery compartment cover, or alternatively, glue this cover to a plastic 'waffle/eggcrate' piece (for greater strength) and provide this as a battery compartment cover. unbundle it and sell it, fine, but make it available for anyone who wants it. regards, al > > > my unit. I have only had my 1420i for less than 2 months, and the > > > battery only holds a one hour charge. Plus, it looses all of its charge > > > within a week of no use. The man said, "This is normal with the type of > > > battery that came with your unit". (Ni-Mh) > > > >if so, and if such a cover is not purchasable, this would mean a choice of > >running the machine on AC without the battery with a big hole in the bottom, > >or running it on AC with the battery in all the time. if the latter would > >not this tend to shorten the battery life considerably? ... the drops in > >charge that would invariably occur if one forgot to plug in to AC before > >turning the machine on, then did so later, followed by the re-charge from > >partially empty to full. > > It was indeed a problem on the earlier TP's (I really burned up a > battery on the TP 750C by leaving it plugged in all the time. It would > drain slowly to something under 100%, then charge back up, drain slowly > again...etc.) > > The good news is (a) Li-Ion batteries don't discharge themselves > as readily as NiMH batts do, (b) The "Memory Effect" is significantly > diminished over NiMH batts, and (c) the charging circuitry is smarter now > than it was earlier. > > In a nutshell, I haven't had any "kill the battery" problems > since...oh, barring a few odd issues with the 701, since that 750. That > means my 560, 600, and now 1-month old T20, didn't seem to have that problem. > Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From cph Wed Jul 19 12:55:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA07198 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:55:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04151; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:52:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03973; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:52:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03946; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:52:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.14 -> mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:52:23 -0400 Received: (qmail 93966 invoked by alias); 19 Jul 2000 16:52:21 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 93924 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 2000 16:52:20 -0000 Received: from dialupjj207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.35.207) by mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 19 Jul 2000 16:52:20 -0000 Message-ID: <007901bff1a1$de2b46b0$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000718151101.03389090@pop.rahul.net> Subject: BIOS boot menu query (was T20 keyboard) Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:53:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: But Paul, at least you can change the color scheme... Anyway, my 600X has an F12 boot menu feature that can be disabled in the BIOS. When booting, pressing F12 brings up a menu of devices, presumably so you can select which device to boot. There is no mention of this feature in my manual. The only possible use of this I can imagine is to allow users to select the boot device without giving them access to the supervisor password. Have any of you actually used this feature? When did it debut? Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Also, does the T20 still have the slightly disturbing BIOS from the 600 series (and possibly most of their laptops from that era) which uses the trackpoint and include goofy cursors like a bird with flapping wings? Not what you'd expected in a $3K+ sleek black machine. Toshiba also has a very ugly to look at and use BIOS. From cph Wed Jul 19 13:06:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07306 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:06:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05347; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:03:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05115; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05101; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:03:06 -0400 Received: from accumedia.com (houdini.accumedia.com [172.16.0.4]) by server.accumedia.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6JGNKg07603; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:23:21 -0600 Thread-Index: Ab/xoKp+3OScaCtlQDqFd9bbRNYJ/wAAnb6g content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Michael Geary" , "AC Brown" , , "Paul" Subject: RE: T20 power switch, display, and top Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:02:50 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A14057C@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: T20 power switch, display, and top X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA07307 Actually, my T20 turns off when I close the lid with Win2k. ssh -----Original Message----- From: Michael Geary [mailto:Mike@Geary.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 10:42 To: AC Brown; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Paul Subject: RE: T20 power switch, display, and top > Note that I'm running Windows 2000, but I assume the above holds for other > operating systems, also. Don't count on it. Each OS has its own drivers for this power and display management, and each one may have its own quirks. For example, on my 600, closing the lid with Win95/98/NT4 always turns off the backlight immediately as it should. Windows 2000 has a major bug: The backlight stays on when you close the lid--it doesn't go off until there have been enough idle minutes, just as if the lid were open. Oddly enough, Windows 2000 does work correctly on my 600E--the backlight does go off when you close the lid. -Mike From cph Wed Jul 19 13:22:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07447 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:22:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07186; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:19:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06892; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:19:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06827; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:19:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (207.181.194.95 -> atlas.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:19:30 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by atlas.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA34314; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:19:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA70146; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003101bff1a5$dcee3600$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Steve Hultquist" , "Michael Geary" , "AC Brown" , , "Paul" References: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A14057C@houdini.accumedia.com> Subject: Re: T20 power switch, display, and top Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 10:22:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Steve, This is often very confusing. Windows 2000, and I presume Windows 98, allow the user to choose what happens, when the lid is closed. This is offered via the Advanced Tab on the Power Options control panel. This is probably only for ACPI capable notebooks, which includes all 600 series, A and T series. Older APM models may have BIOS settings for this, since the OS will not see some of these events. The choices are none (no action), standby, hibernate and power off. This last is what you are seeing, and this is what I choose as well. What Michael is referring to here, is what happens when you have the "none" choice set. As he says the hardware (BIOS) should be smart enough to switch off the backlight, but it apparently does not on the 600. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Michael Geary" ; "AC Brown" ; ; "Paul" Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 10:02 AM Subject: RE: T20 power switch, display, and top > Actually, my T20 turns off when I close the lid with Win2k. > > ssh > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Geary [mailto:Mike@Geary.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 10:42 > To: AC Brown; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Paul > Subject: RE: T20 power switch, display, and top > > > > Note that I'm running Windows 2000, but I assume the above holds for > other > > operating systems, also. > > Don't count on it. Each OS has its own drivers for this power and > display > management, and each one may have its own quirks. > > For example, on my 600, closing the lid with Win95/98/NT4 always turns > off > the backlight immediately as it should. Windows 2000 has a major bug: > The > backlight stays on when you close the lid--it doesn't go off until there > have been enough idle minutes, just as if the lid were open. Oddly > enough, > Windows 2000 does work correctly on my 600E--the backlight does go off > when > you close the lid. > > -Mike > > From cph Wed Jul 19 13:42:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07628 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:42:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09262; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:39:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08959; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08937; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:39:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:39:38 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-497.gate.net [199.227.173.243]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA63704; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:39:03 -0400 Message-ID: <3975E7C9.C36D761A@gate.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:39:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Franklin CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: Win ME on a Thinkpad 600E References: <000501bff136$0569a1c0$3b796620@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Tom.. i've had no such problems on eiter my 770Z or A20p.. in the case of the A20p, i loaded winME RC-1 over the W98SE preload.. same, i think, for the 770Z, but this was a while ago, sooo.... :-) which version are you loading..?? Tom Franklin wrote: > I have tried a fresh install of Windows Millenium Edition on my 600E, but > can't get the mwave modem to work. Upon boot-up I get an error "MWME0001: > Modem Internal Error". > > Anyone else experimenting with Win ME get it working on this model? -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed Jul 19 13:44:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07656 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:44:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09817; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:41:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09384; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:41:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09320; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:41:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:41:39 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-497.gate.net [199.227.173.243]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA81120 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:41:26 -0400 Message-ID: <3975E856.4D83AC27@gate.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:41:43 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: 30gig works fine with: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the IBM 30gig works fine with: 770Z, A20p, PQ Magic ver. 5 -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed Jul 19 13:51:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA07710 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:51:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11073; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:49:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10907; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10892; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot001.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.101 -> pilot001.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:49:34 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.26]) by pilot001.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA41866 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:49:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000719134853.00df1180@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:49:44 -0400 To: ThinkPad List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 30gig works fine with: In-Reply-To: <3975E856.4D83AC27@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: So how much are they, he asks with lust in his eyes... (and what about the 32G disks?) --STeve Andre' At 01:41 PM 7/19/00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >the IBM 30gig works fine with: >770Z, >A20p, >PQ Magic ver. 5 > >-- >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Wed Jul 19 14:38:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA08084 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:38:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14577; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:32:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14358; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:32:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.accumedia.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14342; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from server.accumedia.com (204.144.133.110 -> gw.accumedia.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 14:32:22 -0400 Received: from accumedia.com (houdini.accumedia.com [172.16.0.4]) by server.accumedia.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6JHqgg07871; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 11:52:42 -0600 Thread-Index: Ab/xpaCemlQ7iC+xT9iBa6jb2oKRHwACfwEA content-class: urn:content-classes:message From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "David W. Taylor" , "Michael Geary" , "AC Brown" , , "Paul" Subject: RE: T20 power switch, display, and top Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 12:32:13 -0600 Message-ID: <9AAE2FFFB985DB40B5441D725FA9157A140585@houdini.accumedia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: T20 power switch, display, and top X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.4208.0 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA08085 Actually, I have "none" set. I leave it in the replicator with the top closed all day. Like now. ssh -----Original Message----- From: David W. Taylor [mailto:davidt@detayls.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 11:22 To: Steve Hultquist; Michael Geary; AC Brown; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Paul Subject: Re: T20 power switch, display, and top Steve, This is often very confusing. Windows 2000, and I presume Windows 98, allow the user to choose what happens, when the lid is closed. This is offered via the Advanced Tab on the Power Options control panel. This is probably only for ACPI capable notebooks, which includes all 600 series, A and T series. Older APM models may have BIOS settings for this, since the OS will not see some of these events. The choices are none (no action), standby, hibernate and power off. This last is what you are seeing, and this is what I choose as well. What Michael is referring to here, is what happens when you have the "none" choice set. As he says the hardware (BIOS) should be smart enough to switch off the backlight, but it apparently does not on the 600. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Hultquist" To: "Michael Geary" ; "AC Brown" ; ; "Paul" Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 10:02 AM Subject: RE: T20 power switch, display, and top > Actually, my T20 turns off when I close the lid with Win2k. > > ssh > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Geary [mailto:Mike@Geary.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 10:42 > To: AC Brown; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Paul > Subject: RE: T20 power switch, display, and top > > > > Note that I'm running Windows 2000, but I assume the above holds for > other > > operating systems, also. > > Don't count on it. Each OS has its own drivers for this power and > display > management, and each one may have its own quirks. > > For example, on my 600, closing the lid with Win95/98/NT4 always turns > off > the backlight immediately as it should. Windows 2000 has a major bug: > The > backlight stays on when you close the lid--it doesn't go off until there > have been enough idle minutes, just as if the lid were open. Oddly > enough, > Windows 2000 does work correctly on my 600E--the backlight does go off > when > you close the lid. > > -Mike > > From cph Wed Jul 19 15:12:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA08385 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:12:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17683; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:12:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:10:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17482; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17468; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 15:10:29 -0400 Received: from laptop ([32.100.143.97]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <20000719190942229008skhpe>; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:09:43 +0000 Message-ID: <003901bff1b4$e0790ca0$618f6420@laptop> Reply-To: "Tom Franklin" From: "Tom Franklin" To: Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: <000501bff136$0569a1c0$3b796620@laptop> <3975E7C9.C36D761A@gate.net> Subject: Re: Win ME on a Thinkpad 600E Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 13:09:31 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Bill, I am loading the Final RTM build 4.90.3000 which should be the same as what shows up as the OEM version. I installed it fresh on a blank drive. I would guess the upgrade would work, but would like a fresh install. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morrow" To: "Tom Franklin" Cc: "ThinkPad List" Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 11:39 AM Subject: Re: Win ME on a Thinkpad 600E > Tom.. > > i've had no such problems on eiter my 770Z or A20p.. > in the case of the A20p, i loaded winME RC-1 over the W98SE preload.. > > same, i think, for the 770Z, but this was a while ago, sooo.... :-) > > which version are you loading..?? > > Tom Franklin wrote: > > > I have tried a fresh install of Windows Millenium Edition on my 600E, but > > can't get the mwave modem to work. Upon boot-up I get an error "MWME0001: > > Modem Internal Error". > > > > Anyone else experimenting with Win ME get it working on this model? > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > From cph Wed Jul 19 18:40:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10344 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:40:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07954; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:25:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:23:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06839; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04232; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (150.203.2.15 -> leonard.anu.edu.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:01:43 -0400 Received: (from e720084@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15716; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:59:25 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:59:23 +1000 (EST) To: Brian Bender cc: "Thinkpads list (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Tech Support Problems -'defective battery' - T20 In-Reply-To: <004901bff1a0$aef338e0$1427a8c0@brianb> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: good points. personally, i have never had need of power failures to give me my share of lock-ups with any thinkpad i've had. : - ) regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Brian Bender wrote: > A question to you guys who like to leave the batteries out: > > Do you then plug the AC adapter into a proper UPS? > If not, why the heck are you defeating one of the great unsung features > of a notebook PC (the built-in UPS)? Is the work you're doing that > unimportant? Or are you just used to your OS locking up all the > time and hoping the disk is clean or repairable when it reboots > anyway? > > (KIDDING! I was KIDDING!!!! I'm just poking fun at the flame-war > threads with that last comment! If anyone was offended: grow a sense of > humor already...) > > Seriously, though, _I_ wouldn't spend any significant time on _any_ > machine without a UPS. > > > - Brian Bender > Pittsburgh, PA, USA > TP600: 10GB HDD, 224MB RAM, WinNT5 / Slack7 Linux dual-booting > nicely. > One battery or the other _always_ installed. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Alden S Klovdahl [mailto:Alden.Klovdahl@anu.edu.au] > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 5:32 AM > To: Randal Whittle > Cc: TP List > Subject: Re: Tech Support Problems -'defective battery' - T20 > > > the T20 manual reads as follows: > > "Extending the life of your computer's battery > .... > The following tips can help you to extend the life of your battery: > > . Do not recharge the battery pack until all of its power is used. > Recharging a battery pack that is not completely discharged can > shorten battery life. > > . Once you start charging the battery pack, do not use it until it > is fully charged. > > ...." > > so, if you keep your battery in, because of the absence of a battery > compartment cover, you invariably reduce the life of your battery. > > if you take your battery out to extend its life, because of the absence > of a battery cover you risk damage to T20's 'underbelly'? > > that doesn't strike me as an ideal choice. > > looking at a T20 battery, it seems it would be fairly straighforward > either to take the cover (before its 'glued' to the battery itself) > and provide that as a battery compartment cover, or alternatively, > glue this cover to a plastic 'waffle/eggcrate' piece (for greater > strength) and provide this as a battery compartment cover. > > unbundle it and sell it, fine, but make it available for anyone > who wants it. > > regards, al > > > > > my unit. I have only had my 1420i for less than 2 months, and the > > > > battery only holds a one hour charge. Plus, it looses all of its > charge > > > > within a week of no use. The man said, "This is normal with the > type of > > > > battery that came with your unit". (Ni-Mh) > > > > > > >if so, and if such a cover is not purchasable, this would mean a > choice of > > >running the machine on AC without the battery with a big hole in the > bottom, > > >or running it on AC with the battery in all the time. if the latter > would > > >not this tend to shorten the battery life considerably? ... the > drops in > > >charge that would invariably occur if one forgot to plug in to AC > before > > >turning the machine on, then did so later, followed by the re-charge > from > > >partially empty to full. > > > > It was indeed a problem on the earlier TP's (I really burned > up a > > battery on the TP 750C by leaving it plugged in all the time. It > would > > drain slowly to something under 100%, then charge back up, drain > slowly > > again...etc.) > > > > The good news is (a) Li-Ion batteries don't discharge > themselves > > as readily as NiMH batts do, (b) The "Memory Effect" is significantly > > diminished over NiMH batts, and (c) the charging circuitry is smarter > now > > than it was earlier. > > > > In a nutshell, I haven't had any "kill the battery" problems > > since...oh, barring a few odd issues with the 701, since that 750. > That > > means my 560, 600, and now 1-month old T20, didn't seem to have that > problem. > > > Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 > 25 > Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT > Australia 0200 > From cph Wed Jul 19 18:40:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA10348 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:40:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07782; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 18:24:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:54:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01390; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01242; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:54:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (150.203.2.15 -> leonard.anu.edu.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 17:54:40 -0400 Received: (from e720084@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA15647; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:54:29 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:54:28 +1000 (EST) To: Randal Whittle cc: TP List Subject: Re: Tech Support Problems -'defective battery' - T20 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000719084427.02485e30@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 19 Jul 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > > >looking at a T20 battery, it seems it would be fairly straighforward > >either to take the cover (before its 'glued' to the battery itself) > >and provide that as a battery compartment cover, or alternatively, > >glue this cover to a plastic 'waffle/eggcrate' piece (for greater > >strength) and provide this as a battery compartment cover. > > They have simple waffle-type spacers for use in the > Ultrabay. You're right--it should be a simple matter to make a "spacer" > for use in the battery compartment. But it doesn't need to be there to > save the battery--just to lighten the load for those who don't need one. > that is what i would like to see. to the extent that thinkpads are used as transportable desktops much of the time, back and forth between office AC and home AC, i would think there would be some interest in this. thanks for your comments, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From cph Wed Jul 19 19:55:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA10823 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:55:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13870; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:53:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:50:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13569; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:50:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13556; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:50:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.106 -> pimout7-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:50:50 -0400 Received: from rpk (KGTNA010-0707.splitrock.net [63.254.20.199]) by pimout7-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA48260 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:50:49 -0400 Message-ID: <006901bff1dc$886235a0$c714fe3f@rpk> From: "RPKnorr" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2000 19:53:25 -0400 Organization: Prodigy Internet MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe rpknorr@prodigy.net From cph Thu Jul 20 03:44:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA12873 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:44:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05637; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:42:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05282; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-3.smartworld.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05265; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mrs-3.smartworld.net (216.70.64.34 -> mrs-3.smartworld.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:42:28 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (1Cust21.tnt10.dfw5.da.uu.net [63.22.216.21]) by mrs-3.smartworld.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id DAA59245 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 03:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3976AD8C.56EB6167@mail.orion.org> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 02:43:08 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760C/760L memory??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I bought a DIMM adapter card on Ebay that has 8MB on it, and was sold as working on a 760EL. I assumed (perhaps mistakenly) that the card would also work on a TP760C and 760L. Unfortunately the card doesn't work in either. The 760C will boot once, but won't show the additional memory. The computer won't turn on a second time until I pull the plug. The LCD screen won't turn on, but the computer will give one long beep and show both drives lit on the LCD status display. Then it will give an additional short beep and nothing happens. It does this on the 760L, but the 760L won't even turn on the first time. Is this a bad card, or does the 760C/760L require FPM memory or something? I know for a fact this DIMM adapter has EDO chips on it. Shawn From cph Thu Jul 20 04:23:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA12981 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:23:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08531; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:22:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:20:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08262; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collide.evcom.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08249; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from collide.evcom.net (216.10.32.7 -> collide.evcom.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:20:48 -0400 Received: from zothommog.evcom.net (root@zothommog.evcom.net [216.10.32.8]) by collide.evcom.net (8.10.2/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6K8KUH30841; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:20:30 -0400 Received: from treco.net (mia-tcr7-229.dyn.evcom.net [216.10.44.229]) by zothommog.evcom.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA17981; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:20:29 -0400 Message-ID: <3976B605.D85B73A5@treco.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:19:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Organization: Bill Morrow X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad list , slin01@mail.orion.org Subject: 760 memory Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: the 760C and 760E series are not compatible with each other, memory wise.. -- Live long and prosper, Happy Trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com thinkpads.com Open Forum http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? E-Mail: bill@thinkpads.com, morrow@treco.net From cph Thu Jul 20 08:57:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA13817 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:57:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23553; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:56:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:54:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23229; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23216; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (199.224.64.57 -> bean.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:54:32 -0400 Received: from out.epix.net (clsmcld-126ppp48.epix.net [199.224.126.48]) by bean.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000052301/PL) with SMTP id e6KCsSm12873 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:54:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007201254.e6KCsSm12873@bean.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:37:15 +0100 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zf/19zf List-Unsubscribe: I have a 755CE in excellent shape - 40 meg; 540 meg; external backpack PP CD available. I have a friend who is interested if he can reasonably run W95 on this machine - mail, netscape (and IE) and not a lot else and don't currently have any info on how much space a w95 installation requires. His Toshiba (which is in the process of being preempted by his wife) is currently using about 1 gig of a 2 gig drive; looks like getting rid of the cab files alone would clear up a goodly amount of space, and a minimal install should get rid of some fluff, but I have no idea what is required for a reasonable setup. Another question - what's a fair price for this machine? Thanks. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Julian Thomas" http://home.epix.net/~jt On the road, but normally in the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine country of New York. ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Jul 20 09:58:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA14026 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:58:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28659; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:55:50 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28397; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:55:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:55:39 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id JAA02339 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:55:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rrds.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25630; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:25:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rrds.co.uk (194.128.85.3 -> mail.rdel.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:25:10 -0400 Received: from rdel.co.uk (unverified) by mail.rrds.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:25:10 +0100 Received: by rdel.co.uk id OAA02892 ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:24:58 +0100 (BST) Received: by ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BFF256.4A2AC750@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:25:01 +0100 Message-Id: <01BFF256.4A2AC750@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk> From: Darren Kennedy To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:25:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA14027 >From personal experience a minimum win95 installation is in the order of 270Mb. This was for win95 osr2, using fat32 FS. As for the win95 distribution ie cab files etc, these are about 70Mb. I would recommend either an earlier IE version or netscape 4.x as IE5 will steal lots of your precious disk space. Not sure about outlook etc. You will also need [finger in air] ~80Mb swap space. I reckon you can do it. I'd certainly give it a go. No idea on prices although I paid £180 for my 760CD from a work colleague. He was given it from his last employer and it had hardly been used. Even the mouse nipple looked new and clean. Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: Julian Thomas [SMTP:jt@epix.net] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 8:37 AM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? I have a 755CE in excellent shape - 40 meg; 540 meg; external backpack PP CD available. I have a friend who is interested if he can reasonably run W95 on this machine - mail, netscape (and IE) and not a lot else and don't currently have any info on how much space a w95 installation requires. His Toshiba (which is in the process of being preempted by his wife) is currently using about 1 gig of a 2 gig drive; looks like getting rid of the cab files alone would clear up a goodly amount of space, and a minimal install should get rid of some fluff, but I have no idea what is required for a reasonable setup. Another question - what's a fair price for this machine? Thanks. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- "Julian Thomas" http://home.epix.net/~jt On the road, but normally in the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine country of New York. ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Jul 20 11:28:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA14734 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:28:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07491; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:27:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:23:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07018; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:23:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07003; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (204.181.58.248 -> p204.181.58.248.syspac.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:23:21 -0400 Received: (from jones@localhost) by box3.pyrrhusoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id IAA05073; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:21:57 -0700 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 08:21:57 -0700 Message-Id: <200007201521.IAA05073@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> From: David Jones To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TPAll] 16-bit PC cards & CardBus List-Unsubscribe: Hello: Does anyone know if the older 16-bit PC cards are supported by the ThinkPads' CardBus adapter? I am specifically thinking about a TP240 and an EtherJet PC card though I suspect the answer should apply across the entire ThinkPad line equiped with CardBus adapters. (I know there is a newer model of the EtherJet - 08L3147 - which is CardBus). Thanks, David Jones From cph Thu Jul 20 11:48:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA14923 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:48:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09403; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:44:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08804; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08790; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:44:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:44:18 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.7.131]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000720154416.QKJW9297.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@compaq> for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:44:16 +0000 Message-ID: <39771EB7.5211@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 11:46:00 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: For Sale - 760/755 hard drive caddys Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have some universal caddys for the 760/755 series. They accept ANY 12.5 mm laptop drive. Have used a 64.gig IBM in a 760ED in one of these. $25.00 plus shipping ($5.00 Priority Mail) Thanks From cph Thu Jul 20 12:40:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA15462 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:40:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13960; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:38:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:34:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13559; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13545; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (24.2.8.66 -> ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:34:57 -0400 Received: from cx792194b ([24.1.143.198]) by mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20000720163456.WJXU24297.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@cx792194b> for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:34:56 -0700 Message-ID: <001601bff268$97f50100$c68f0118@msnv1.occa.home.com> From: "Joe Strauss" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: TP770 - video out to TV Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 09:36:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I've been struggling with this for a long time. I'm trying to watch DVD movies from my TP on my TV. Using the following: Windows 98 DVD and enhanced Video Adapter Video Out Cable (plugged into DVD Video adapter, then S-Video cable to TV) SoftDVD When I go into TP configuration program and Enable the Video-Out to TV port, nothing happens. Please reply if you have the same setup and are able to watch DVD movies on your TV. Thanks. From cph Thu Jul 20 13:03:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA15684 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:03:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16743; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:03:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:00:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16421; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16391; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:00:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.14 -> mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:00:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 61242 invoked by alias); 20 Jul 2000 17:00:15 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 61110 invoked by uid 0); 20 Jul 2000 17:00:11 -0000 Received: from dialupjj207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.35.207) by mplspop4.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 20 Jul 2000 17:00:11 -0000 Message-ID: <005d01bff26c$22dcd1f0$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "David Jones" , References: <200007201521.IAA05073@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> Subject: Re: [TPAll] 16-bit PC cards & CardBus Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 12:01:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: 16-bit PC cards are supposed to work in all 32-bit CardBus slots. I know my IBM Home&Away NIC/modem 16-bit card works in my 600X's cardbus slot, and I have tested no other 16-bit cards. I also know that my LinkSys CardBus 100Mbps NIC will not fit in my 750P's 16-bit slot. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: David Jones To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 10:21 AM Subject: [TPAll] 16-bit PC cards & CardBus > Hello: > > Does anyone know if the older 16-bit PC cards are supported by > the ThinkPads' CardBus adapter? I am specifically thinking about a > TP240 and an EtherJet PC card though I suspect the answer should apply > across the entire ThinkPad line equiped with CardBus adapters. (I > know there is a newer model of the EtherJet - 08L3147 - which is > CardBus). > > Thanks, > David Jones > From cph Thu Jul 20 13:49:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA16147 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:49:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21148; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:46:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20912; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20885; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:46:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:46:42 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-25.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.25]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA20672 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:46:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000720134951.015ddb40@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:49:51 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? In-Reply-To: <200007201254.e6KCsSm12873@bean.epix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:37 AM 07/20/2000 +0100, Julian Thomas wrote: >I have a 755CE in excellent shape - 40 meg; 540 meg; external backpack PP >CD available. I have a friend who is interested if he can reasonably run >W95 on this machine - mail, netscape (and IE) and not a lot else and don't >currently have any info on how much space a w95 installation requires. >His Toshiba (which is in the process of being preempted by his wife) is >currently using about 1 gig of a 2 gig drive; looks like getting rid of >the cab files alone would clear up a goodly amount of space, and a minimal >install should get rid of some fluff, but I have no idea what is required >for a reasonable setup I don't think you will run into to many problems. I've run Win95b on systems with 340meg and greater HDs. Best approach to conserve space is to copy over the cabs to the HD, install from there, and delete all files except the cabs afterwards. Then, remove the, "online services," folder in program files to get rid of promo stuff and save even more space. If space becomes a priority later on, then delete the cabs and do updates via the Backpack. >Another question - what's a fair price for this machine? 755CE? 486DX4/100? Decent machine. I would say ~$175.00 - $250.00 without the backpack CD IMHO. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Jul 20 16:57:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17693 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:57:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11568; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:55:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11020; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10996; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:54:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:54:58 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-328.gate.net [199.227.173.74]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA71388; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:54:53 -0400 Message-ID: <39773151.E7E09A6F@gate.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 13:05:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darren Kennedy CC: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? References: <01BFF256.4A2AC750@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id QAA11568 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA17694 Darren, et al., large HDD's are cheap.. used 3 or 4 gig drives should be readily available.. installing in the existing HDD shell will take sume trace cutting on the little cable/plug assembly, but its not all that complex.. Darren Kennedy wrote: > >From personal experience a minimum win95 installation is in the order of > 270Mb. This was for win95 osr2, using fat32 FS. As for the win95 distribution > ie cab files etc, these are about 70Mb. > > I would recommend either an earlier IE version or netscape 4.x as IE5 will > steal lots of your precious disk space. Not sure about outlook etc. > > You will also need [finger in air] ~80Mb swap space. > > I reckon you can do it. I'd certainly give it a go. > > No idea on prices although I paid £180 for my 760CD from a work > colleague. He was given it from his last employer and it had hardly > been used. Even the mouse nipple looked new and clean. > > Hope this helps. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Julian Thomas [SMTP:jt@epix.net] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 8:37 AM > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? > > I have a 755CE in excellent shape - 40 meg; 540 meg; external backpack PP > CD available. I have a friend who is interested if he can reasonably run > W95 on this machine - mail, netscape (and IE) and not a lot else and don't > currently have any info on how much space a w95 installation requires. > His Toshiba (which is in the process of being preempted by his wife) is > currently using about 1 gig of a 2 gig drive; looks like getting rid of > the cab files alone would clear up a goodly amount of space, and a minimal > install should get rid of some fluff, but I have no idea what is required > for a reasonable setup. > > Another question - what's a fair price for this machine? > > Thanks. > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > "Julian Thomas" http://home.epix.net/~jt > On the road, but normally in the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine country of New York. > ----------------------------------------------------------- -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Jul 20 16:57:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17697 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:57:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11620; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:57:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:54:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10978; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10965; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:54:54 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-328.gate.net [199.227.173.74]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA71386; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:54:49 -0400 Message-ID: <3976B2A0.6C74283A@gate.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 04:04:48 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Shawn R. Lin" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760C/760L memory??? References: <3976AD8C.56EB6167@mail.orion.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Shawn.. the 760C and 760E series are entirely different where it comes to the DIMM carrier.. what you have is good only in the 760E series.. "Shawn R. Lin" wrote: > I bought a DIMM adapter card on Ebay that has 8MB on it, and was sold as > working on a 760EL. I assumed (perhaps mistakenly) that the card would > also work on a TP760C and 760L. Unfortunately the card doesn't work in > either. The 760C will boot once, but won't show the additional memory. > The computer won't turn on a second time until I pull the plug. The LCD > screen won't turn on, but the computer will give one long beep and show > both drives lit on the LCD status display. Then it will give an > additional short beep and nothing happens. It does this on the 760L, > but the 760L won't even turn on the first time. > > Is this a bad card, or does the 760C/760L require FPM memory or > something? I know for a fact this DIMM adapter has EDO chips on it. > > Shawn -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Jul 20 16:58:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA17707 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:58:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11907; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:58:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:57:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11490; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11474; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:56:59 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-328.gate.net [199.227.173.74]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA84698; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:56:53 -0400 Message-ID: <397767B0.6A8F777D@gate.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 16:57:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: For Sale - 760/755 hard drive caddys References: <39771EB7.5211@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bruce.. i'll take one of those 64.gig IBM drives.. :-) Bruce Markowitz wrote: > I have some universal caddys for the 760/755 series. They accept ANY > 12.5 mm laptop drive. Have used a 64.gig IBM in a 760ED in one of these. > $25.00 plus shipping ($5.00 Priority Mail) > Thanks -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Thu Jul 20 17:15:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA17850 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:15:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13394; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:13:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13160; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13145; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:13:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:13:19 -0400 Received: from p3-600 (client-151-204-210-25.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.25]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA29607 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:13:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000720171641.015deba0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:16:41 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: For Sale - 760/755 hard drive caddys In-Reply-To: <39771EB7.5211@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:46 AM 07/20/2000 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >I have some universal caddys for the 760/755 series. They accept ANY >12.5 mm laptop drive. Have used a 64.gig IBM in a 760ED in one of these. >$25.00 plus shipping ($5.00 Priority Mail) >Thanks > FYI, I have purchased numerous caddys from this gent who ALWAYS seems to be selling them on ebay and it's easy to get multiples @ $12.50 from him: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=384398065 or email him directly at: sales@chrosmack.com Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Jul 20 17:24:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA17902 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:24:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14217; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:23:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14058; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14045; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asimov.dns-host.com (209.235.102.26) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:23:02 -0400 Received: from OHSUYKXRD2386K ([137.53.68.115]) by asimov.dns-host.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA18941 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004601bff290$88232400$73443589@OHSUYKXRD2386K> From: "AC Brown" To: Subject: T20 Evaluation: Ultrabay 2000 Peripherals and Compatibility Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:21:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Date: 2000 Jul 20 To: From: AC Brown Subj: T20 Evaluation: Ultrabay 2000 Peripherals and Compatibility There are have been a number of questions on this board concerning the new IBM A20 and T20 computers, especially compared to previous models. I'm a long time Thinkpad user (750C, 755CD, 560, and 570), and I've had experience with Toshiba, Compaq, and Powerbook notebooks. I recently acquired a new T20 (2647-84U, Windows 2000), so I thought I'd post my impressions after almost three weeks of use. I plan several postings on the various aspects of the T20, especially compared with my previous Thinkpads. ULTRABAY 2000 PERIPHERALS The T20 comes with a floppy diskette drive and either a CD-ROM or DVD drive. All fit in the Ultrabay 2000 on the right side of the computer. Only one drive can be used at a time in the T20. The drives can be changed by pressing a small lever at the right rear of the case which releases an Ultrabay 2000 ejection lever which in turn ejects the drive. Hot swapping is supported, at least under Windows 2000. The IBM web site lists the following Ultrabay 2000 devices: CD-R/W drive, SuperDisk (LS-120) drive, ZIP drive (250 MB), second hard drive adapter, an Ultrabay 2000 battery, as well as the CD-ROM and DVD drives. The T20 docking station contains an Ultrabay 2000 slot, permitting two drives to be used simultaneously. Also, a special cable is available (but not furnished with the T20) allowing connection of the diskette drive to the T20's parallel port (blocking use of a parallel printer); the cable also permits connecting the diskette drive to the floppy connector (not the parallel port) of the port replicator. COMPATIBILITY Ultrabay 2000 devices are the same shape and size and otherwise appear identical with the UltraslimBay units for the TP 600 and the TP 570 Ultrabase. Also, they use the same connectors. However, the connectors on the Ultrabase 2000 units are offset several millimeters from those for the UltraslimBay; therefore, they are not interchangeable. Whether this is meant to prevent insertion of electrically incompatible units or is a result of some technical design imperative or is a marketing ploy to force T20 users to buy new peripherals or is simply an oversight is not clear to me. If it's for one of the latter reasons, shame on IBM! As a sop to TP 570/600 users, the IBM web site does list a portable drive bay that connects to a PCCard and permits UltraslimBay units to be used with the T20. While not documented, the external diskette drives from the TP 570 and the TP 560 can be used with T20. The diskette connector on the rear of the Port Replicator mates with that on the diskette cable that came with the TP 560/570. I've tried using the TP 570 diskette with the T20 in this way and it works fine. Also, the cable that IBM sells for using the T20 diskette externally consists of two parts, a parallel port adapter and a cable. From the illustrations, it appears the adapter that attaches to the parallel port will take a TP 560/570 cable. In summary, the available peripherals seem to cover most of needs of T20 owners, but in my opinion, IBM did a disservice to loyal users by not designing their A20 and T20 computers to be compatible with TP 570/600 peripherals! From cph Thu Jul 20 18:13:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18227 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:13:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17761; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:07:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17353; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17339; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:07:45 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.187] (helo=139-142-112-187.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13FOTd-00009g-00 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 15:07:33 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 14:53:47 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <7L4d54mipJkb092yn@islandnet.com> References: <01BFF256.4A2AC750@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <01BFF256.4A2AC750@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk> Lines: 39 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: In article <01BFF256.4A2AC750@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk>, you wrote: >>From personal experience a minimum win95 installation is in the order of >270Mb. This was for win95 osr2, using fat32 FS. As for the win95 distribution >ie cab files etc, these are about 70Mb. Cab files for Win95a are only about 23 MB. Then there are a bunch of updates you need to install (and store) to get a reasonably stable system. That's what I use on the 701C (486/75). > >I would recommend either an earlier IE version or netscape 4.x as IE5 will >steal lots of your precious disk space. Not sure about outlook etc. I have been using Netscape 3.04 ("the last stable version") except it isn't really all that stable, and there is an increasingly annoying number of sites which require a higher number. Fortunately, those are never the crucial sites! 3.04 works quite quickly. My *perceived* surfing speed on well-designed sites is as good with 3.04, Win95a, 486/75, IBM 33.6 PCMCIA modem is as fast as friends using IE or NE 4.? or 5.?, Win98, Pentium II, and cable. If there are a lot of images, yes, they do appear faster. >I reckon you can do it. I'd certainly give it a go. I think so, too. And if he wants to have more space, it isn't hugely expensive. >> >> I have a 755CE in excellent shape - 40 meg; 540 meg; external backpack PP >> CD available. I have a friend who is interested if he can reasonably run >> W95 on this machine - mail, netscape (and IE) and not a lot else and don't >> currently have any info on how much space a w95 installation requires. -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Thu Jul 20 18:40:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18524 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:40:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20232; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:39:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:35:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19454; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19438; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:35:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:35:02 -0400 Received: from tp466 (adsl-207-68-49-148.bellatlantic.net [207.68.49.148]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA17606 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004e01bff29a$ba183fe0$6401a8c0@tp466> Reply-To: "Jim Biggerstaff" From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: References: <200007201254.e6KCsSm12873@bean.epix.net> Subject: Re: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:34:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: You can fit a nice setup with all the essentials in the 540 MB drive, and Win95 will run "OK" while setting no speed records. Also room to shoehorn in a minimal install of an older version of MS Office, I've done it on a 755C using a 540MB drive. If memory serves I partitioned the drive and devoted ~150MB to drive D and compressed it. Older versions of Word and Excel run pretty well, the biggest perfomance problem is the browser - try to use MSIE version 4, not 5. I'm tempted to suggest that you try the latest version of the Opera browser. I tried it, didn't like it, your opinion might well differ. Good luck, jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Julian Thomas" To: Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 3:37 AM Subject: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? > I have a 755CE in excellent shape - 40 meg; 540 meg; external backpack PP > CD available. I have a friend who is interested if he can reasonably run > W95 on this machine - mail, netscape (and IE) and not a lot else and don't > currently have any info on how much space a w95 installation requires. > His Toshiba (which is in the process of being preempted by his wife) is > currently using about 1 gig of a 2 gig drive; looks like getting rid of > the cab files alone would clear up a goodly amount of space, and a minimal > install should get rid of some fluff, but I have no idea what is required > for a reasonable setup. > > Another question - what's a fair price for this machine? > > Thanks. > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > "Julian Thomas" http://home.epix.net/~jt > On the road, but normally in the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine country of New York. > ----------------------------------------------------------- > From cph Thu Jul 20 18:44:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA18558 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:44:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20828; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:43:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:39:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20173; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20139; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (150.203.2.15 -> leonard.anu.edu.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:39:11 -0400 Received: (from e720084@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA19002; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:38:09 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 08:38:08 +1000 (EST) To: AC Brown cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Evaluation: Ultrabay 2000 - Superdisk/Zip? In-Reply-To: <004601bff290$88232400$73443589@OHSUYKXRD2386K> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: very useful comments. i am wondering if the Superdisk LS-120 or Zip drives are still worthwhile options. i was in Microcenter a few weeks ago, one in houston and one in the d.c. area, and had trouble finding blank 120 or zip disks. ... it was all CD-R or CD-RW. even if someone has a lot of data on these already, there are probably faster/cheaper ways of transferring to a T20 or A20 than an ultra drive. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, AC Brown wrote: > Date: 2000 Jul 20 > To: > From: AC Brown > Subj: T20 Evaluation: Ultrabay 2000 Peripherals and Compatibility > > There are have been a number of questions on this board concerning the > new IBM A20 and T20 computers, especially compared to previous models. > I'm a long time Thinkpad user (750C, 755CD, 560, and 570), and I've had > experience with Toshiba, Compaq, and Powerbook notebooks. I recently > acquired a new T20 (2647-84U, Windows 2000), so I thought I'd post my > impressions after almost three weeks of use. I plan several postings on > the various aspects of the T20, especially compared with my previous > Thinkpads. > > ULTRABAY 2000 PERIPHERALS > > The T20 comes with a floppy diskette drive and either a CD-ROM or DVD > drive. All fit in the Ultrabay 2000 on the right side of the computer. > Only one drive can be used at a time in the T20. The drives can be > changed by pressing a small lever at the right rear of the case which > releases an Ultrabay 2000 ejection lever which in turn ejects the drive. > Hot swapping is supported, at least under Windows 2000. > > The IBM web site lists the following Ultrabay 2000 devices: CD-R/W > drive, SuperDisk (LS-120) drive, ZIP drive (250 MB), second hard drive > adapter, an Ultrabay 2000 battery, as well as the CD-ROM and DVD drives. > > The T20 docking station contains an Ultrabay 2000 slot, permitting two > drives to be used simultaneously. Also, a special cable is available > (but not furnished with the T20) allowing connection of the diskette > drive to the T20's parallel port (blocking use of a parallel printer); > the cable also permits connecting the diskette drive to the floppy > connector (not the parallel port) of the port replicator. > > COMPATIBILITY > > Ultrabay 2000 devices are the same shape and size and otherwise appear > identical with the UltraslimBay units for the TP 600 and the TP 570 > Ultrabase. Also, they use the same connectors. However, the connectors > on the Ultrabase 2000 units are offset several millimeters from those > for the UltraslimBay; therefore, they are not interchangeable. Whether > this is meant to prevent insertion of electrically incompatible units or > is a result of some technical design imperative or is a marketing ploy > to force T20 users to buy new peripherals or is simply an oversight is not > clear to me. If it's for one of the latter reasons, shame on IBM! > > As a sop to TP 570/600 users, the IBM web site does list a portable > drive bay that connects to a PCCard and permits UltraslimBay units to > be used with the T20. > > While not documented, the external diskette drives from the TP 570 and > the TP 560 can be used with T20. The diskette connector on the rear of > the Port Replicator mates with that on the diskette cable that came with > the TP 560/570. I've tried using the TP 570 diskette with the T20 in > this way and it works fine. Also, the cable that IBM sells for using > the T20 diskette externally consists of two parts, a parallel port > adapter and a cable. From the illustrations, it appears the adapter > that attaches to the parallel port will take a TP 560/570 cable. > > In summary, the available peripherals seem to cover most of needs of T20 > owners, but in my opinion, IBM did a disservice to loyal users by not > designing their A20 and T20 computers to be compatible with TP 570/600 > peripherals! > > From cph Thu Jul 20 20:05:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA18976 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:05:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26654; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:00:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26310; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web217.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA26289; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:00:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web217.mail.yahoo.com (128.11.68.117 -> web217.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:00:14 -0400 Received: (qmail 23485 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jul 2000 00:00:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000721000013.23484.qmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.204.74.121] by web217.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:00:13 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:00:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Pencetera Reply-To: pencetera@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Re[2]: Dim display on a 770 To: Donald MacQueen Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id UAA26654 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id UAA18977 Hi Don, Just to let you know, I really wish *ALL* of my warranty problems worked out like this. Airborne picked up the laptop Monday (17 July) at 2:45pm. It arrived today at 9:45 am, works great. They updated the bios while they had it. The screen is so bright now that I have to set the control to minimum. IBM gets the maximum marks from me, courteous, efficient and thorough. Cheers, Mike B. --- Donald MacQueen wrote: > Mike, > > Thursday, July 13, 2000, 3:00:10 AM, you wrote: > > > Hi Bill, > > > Yes, just got off the phone with IBM. They are > sending > > out a call tag via airborne for it tomorrow. > Thanks > > for the help. > > > Cheers, > > Mike B. > > > --- Bill Morrow wrote: > >> Mike.. > >> > >> i hope that there is some remaining warranty on > that > >> machine.. > >> its sure to be a problem with the backlight or > the > >> high voltage power > >> supply or the inverter or the like.. > >> something for easy serve.. > >> > > Let me know how this works out please. I have a 600 > that I think has > the same problem. It's under warranty, but I've > never dealt wiht IBM, > and I'm intereseted in how fast and good there > service is before I > dive in. > > Thanks. > > -- > Donald > > Donald M. MacQueen > Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] > > ===== http://www.pencetera.com - "For those who want to do things write" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Thu Jul 20 20:27:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA19075 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:27:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28584; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:24:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28392; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28378; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:24:21 -0400 Received: from user-38ld7kc.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld7kc.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.158.140]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA19758; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007210023.UAA19758@granger.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Oscar G. Farah" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <000001bff10c$8fb700e0$5bd3f4d1@hz2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: IBM wireless phone connection List-Unsubscribe: Cool. I had never thought of hooking a wireless phone to a laptop. How would it work (if it did work)? One end to the wall and an electrical plug, the other end to...? On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:04:44 -0400, Oscar G. Farah wrote: >The one I have is made by Panasonic. It still won't work for you: although >the part that hooks to your laptop is rechargeable-battery operated, the >part that connect to the telephone line and that also serves as a charger is >connected to the AC line (no batteries). From cph Thu Jul 20 20:30:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA19090 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:30:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29034; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:28:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28876; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28863; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:28:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:28:06 -0400 Received: from default ([12.72.0.125]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000721002804.YRPG14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@default> for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 00:28:04 +0000 Message-ID: <39779942.5FB4@att.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 17:28:50 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Disabled Warm Swap on 600x References: <20000721000013.23484.qmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ok... so I had to disable the warm swap on my 600x to get it to read Smart Media card images via the PCMCIA slots... but how do you work things if you want to swap the drives now that you have changed the settings? If I shut the machine down and then swap a zip drive for the CD drive, when I start it back up I get a black screen saying that it is looking for the program... and I have to shut it down, put the CD back in and restart for it to work... How do others work with a disabled warm swap drive bay? From cph Thu Jul 20 21:02:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA19207 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:02:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00725; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:59:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00539; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00525; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.58 -> mail8.wlv.netzero.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 20:59:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 28505 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2000 00:59:54 -0000 Received: from dialup-209.244.228.240.washington1.level3.net (HELO hz2) (209.244.228.240) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 21 Jul 2000 00:59:54 -0000 From: "Oscar G. Farah" To: "Allan Ballard" , Subject: RE: IBM wireless phone connection Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:01:49 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bff2af$3ff9d740$d47c3004@hz2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200007210023.UAA19758@granger.mail.mindspring.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4132.2800 List-Unsubscribe: The other end to the Modem, obviously! > -----Original Message----- > From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 8:32 PM > To: Oscar G. Farah; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: IBM wireless phone connection > > > Cool. I had never thought of hooking a > wireless phone to a laptop. > > How would it work (if it did work)? > > One end to the wall and an electrical plug, > the other end to...? > > On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:04:44 -0400, Oscar G. Farah wrote: > > >The one I have is made by Panasonic. It still won't work for > you: although > >the part that hooks to your laptop is rechargeable-battery operated, the > >part that connect to the telephone line and that also serves as > a charger is > >connected to the AC line (no batteries). > > _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Thu Jul 20 22:01:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA19579 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:01:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04563; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:58:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04390; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:58:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04376; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:58:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.40 -> mail1.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:58:00 -0400 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000721015758.JLXK316.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a>; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 18:57:58 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: Alden S Klovdahl Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:57:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: T20 Evaluation: Ultrabay 2000 - Superdisk/Zip? Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <397775E6.583.5FCC0D@localhost> Priority: normal References: <004601bff290$88232400$73443589@OHSUYKXRD2386K> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi Alden, At 2000 July 21 - Friday 8:38, Alden S Klovdahl spoke about *Re: T20 Evaluation: Ultrabay 2000 - Superdisk/Zip...* saying > very useful comments. > > i am wondering if the Superdisk LS-120 or Zip drives are still > worthwhile options. i was in Microcenter a few weeks ago, one in > houston and one in the d.c. area, and had trouble finding blank > 120 or zip disks. But is that due to lack of demand or excess demand? > > ... it was all CD-R or CD-RW. ------------ Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 Abacurial Information Technology Consulting 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Thu Jul 20 22:21:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA19664 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:21:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05766; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:18:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05610; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05598; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:18:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-Id: <200007210218.WAA05598@cs.utk.edu> Received: from imo-d01.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.33 -> imo-d01.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:18:58 -0400 Received: from ReveilleX@aol.com by imo-d01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id o.57.8b6f65e (15699) for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web50.aolmail.aol.com (web50.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.11]) by air-id05.mx.aol.com (v75_b1.4) with ESMTP; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:18:55 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:18:54 EDT Subject: 560 vs. 560E? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown List-Unsubscribe: i've been looking for a laptop for college for some time now, as bill morrow can attest. i originally wanted a 701c, but decided on something a little newer after being told about their dismal battery life. performance was not really an issue; howerver, a realistic college-type budget was. as such, i think a 560-series machine will fit the bill. all i really need it for is typing, and maybe a few other office docs. after doing all the research i could through the web, i found that an independent test of the 560 with the 120 mhz non-mmx cpu yielded 3 hours and 38 minutes, which i could definitely live with. then i found a review in the pc magazine archives that stated that its battery test got a time of two hours and nine minutes- and "is right in line with the original ThinkPad 560 (impressive, given its MMX CPU)." what gives? how can they be so similar and yet so obviously not? if anyone can give me any technical data on current draw of the two different series, or the real-l! ! ife battery life you guys get with your machines, please let me know. are they different processors entirely, or is the latter just upgraded with l2 cache and mmx extensions? i searched the ibm site, and nothing really solid came up. any links to this info would be appreciated just as much. thanks. i think i can scrounge up the extra money to snag the 166 mhz model, but not at the expense of battery life! From cph Thu Jul 20 23:44:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA19998 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:44:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09635; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:42:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09437; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09422; Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (150.203.2.15 -> leonard.anu.edu.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 20 Jul 2000 23:42:21 -0400 Received: (from e720084@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00999; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:42:06 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:42:04 +1000 (EST) To: Tom Trottier cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Evaluation: Ultrabay 2000 - Superdisk/Zip? In-Reply-To: <397775E6.583.5FCC0D@localhost> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: good point. i assumed is was low demand given it is now so inexpensive to read and write 640MB with CD-R/Ws. by the same token , i don't recall seeing any empty slots where these had been sold out (though i did not look to closely at all the labels i must confess). regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, Tom Trottier wrote: > Hi Alden, > > At 2000 July 21 - Friday 8:38, Alden S Klovdahl > spoke about *Re: T20 Evaluation: Ultrabay 2000 - Superdisk/Zip...* saying > > > very useful comments. > > > > i am wondering if the Superdisk LS-120 or Zip drives are still > > worthwhile options. i was in Microcenter a few weeks ago, one in > > houston and one in the d.c. area, and had trouble finding blank > > 120 or zip disks. > > But is that due to lack of demand or excess demand? > > > > ... it was all CD-R or CD-RW. > > ------------ > Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 > Abacurial Information Technology Consulting > 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 > __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 > _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at > (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera > From cph Fri Jul 21 06:22:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA21592 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:22:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05629; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:21:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:18:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05461; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05448; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:18:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:18:33 -0400 Received: from mwl ([32.101.34.20]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000072110183023903e0oqce>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:18:31 +0000 Message-ID: <001601bff2fd$0eaf9960$14226520@mwl> To: Subject: Thanks to everyone who responded to the WorkPad/PDA question I asked. N/M * Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:18:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: From cph Fri Jul 21 06:33:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA21808 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:33:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06158; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:32:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:31:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06034; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rrds.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA06021; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:31:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rrds.co.uk (194.128.85.3 -> mail.rdel.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:31:15 -0400 Received: from rdel.co.uk (unverified) by mail.rrds.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:31:06 +0100 Received: by rdel.co.uk id LAA19594 Received: by ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BFF307.236B52E0@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:30:57 +0100 Message-Id: <01BFF307.236B52E0@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk> From: Darren Kennedy To: Darren Kennedy Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:30:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id GAA21809 Point taken. Anyone know a cheap source in the uk ? Also does anyone know where I can get a) an external floppy cable for my 760CD and b) the bezel for the front of a floppy drive when its in the ultrabay. I bought a new floppy drive which cost me £80 from IBM (eek) and they didn't even supply the bezel. Delivery was quick though - ordered at 4pm, arrived 11am next day. Darren K. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow [SMTP:penzance@gate.net] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 6:05 PM To: Darren Kennedy Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? Darren, et al., large HDD's are cheap.. used 3 or 4 gig drives should be readily available.. installing in the existing HDD shell will take sume trace cutting on the little cable/plug assembly, but its not all that complex.. From cph Fri Jul 21 06:53:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA21855 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:53:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07816; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:50:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07695; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA07681; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 06:50:25 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22993; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:50:23 +0100 (BST) Received: from harstonmail.generics.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16253; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:50:22 +0100 (BST) Received: by HARSTONMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:50:30 +0100 Message-ID: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D2943A0FA@HARSTONMAIL> From: "Quantrill, Adam" To: "'Darren Kennedy'" Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:50:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id GAA21856 Best to shop around - especially on whether they are in stock or not! Don't forget that with the Travelstar disks you may have to bend the drive/cable select pins on the drive connector if at first it doesn't work. -----Original Message----- From: Darren Kennedy [mailto:darren.kennedy@rdel.co.uk] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 11:31 AM To: Darren Kennedy Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? Point taken. Anyone know a cheap source in the uk ? Also does anyone know where I can get a) an external floppy cable for my 760CD and b) the bezel for the front of a floppy drive when its in the ultrabay. I bought a new floppy drive which cost me £80 from IBM (eek) and they didn't even supply the bezel. Delivery was quick though - ordered at 4pm, arrived 11am next day. Darren K. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Morrow [SMTP:penzance@gate.net] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 6:05 PM To: Darren Kennedy Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? Darren, et al., large HDD's are cheap.. used 3 or 4 gig drives should be readily available.. installing in the existing HDD shell will take sume trace cutting on the little cable/plug assembly, but its not all that complex.. From cph Fri Jul 21 12:39:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA23768 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:39:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05724; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:36:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05462; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:36:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05431; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.13 -> mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:36:14 -0400 Received: (qmail 7768 invoked by alias); 21 Jul 2000 16:36:13 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 7675 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jul 2000 16:36:12 -0000 Received: from dialupjj207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.35.207) by mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 21 Jul 2000 16:36:11 -0000 Message-ID: <005701bff331$f2588da0$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Hard Drive Passwords Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:37:22 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: (Having no response once before, he asks again) Good folken of the ThinkPad mailing list, I would like to know if the third party hard drives you have accept passwords from the ThinkPad BIOS. If you have one, please try to set the password and ensure the drive cannot be accessed without entering the password again. Also, if you have an IBM drive that's not specifically for a ThinkPad, give that a try, too. Please let me know what you find out, since information can easily be worth much more than the whole computer. I'd be happy to summarize results. Chris (And hey, I could even try it with my own Toshiba drives. :) From cph Fri Jul 21 12:52:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA23893 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:52:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06784; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:49:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06604; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06585; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.13 -> mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:49:02 -0400 Received: (qmail 30557 invoked by alias); 21 Jul 2000 16:49:01 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 30528 invoked by uid 0); 21 Jul 2000 16:49:00 -0000 Received: from dialupjj207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.35.207) by mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 21 Jul 2000 16:49:00 -0000 Message-ID: <005d01bff333$bcb28140$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Wireless networking Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 11:50:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: (inspired by wireless phone connection) Since ThinkPad's are portable, wireless networking would seem a logical application, but it seems none of us actually do it. If you do, let us know how you do it and what you think of it. I'm sure we'd all like to know. There are several options I know about: (please correct me if I'm wacked) - Infrared - Range: three feet or so - Rate: 4mbps - Price: ThinkPad: Free, Station: ~$500? - BlueTooth - Range: 2 miles? - Rate: 11mbps - Price: ThinkPad: $159, Station: $1100 - 900/2400MHz - Range: 150ft - Rate: 1.6mbps - Price: ThinkPad: $129, Station: $399/Ethernet, $119/Desktop, $249/Modem - Cell phone - Range: just about anywhere - Rate: ? - Price: ? I'm seriously considering the third option. Proxim seems to make a pretty complete line and it has received good reviews. Can any of you comment on it? Thanks, Chris From cph Fri Jul 21 13:15:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA24075 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:15:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08451; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:11:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08312; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:11:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08296; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (24.1.227.2 -> cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:11:55 -0400 Received: (from rutledge@localhost) by cx47646-a.phnx1.az.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) id KAA00601 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:11:53 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:11:53 -0700 From: "Shawn T. Rutledge" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Wireless networking Message-ID: <20000721101152.B32710@electron.quantum.int> References: <005d01bff333$bcb28140$1000a8c0@cschumann> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <005d01bff333$bcb28140$1000a8c0@cschumann>; from Chris Schumann on Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 11:50:11AM -0500 List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, Jul 21, 2000 at 11:50:11AM -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > There are several options I know about: > (please correct me if I'm wacked) > > - Infrared > - Range: three feet or so > - Rate: 4mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: Free, Station: ~$500? > > - BlueTooth > - Range: 2 miles? That's "wacked"... more like a few meters I think > - Rate: 11mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: $159, Station: $1100 I think peer-to-peer connections are OK and you should be able to get a cheaper card for your desktop machine. Check out http://www.brainboxes.com/bluetooth/index.html Where did you find the $159 card? > > - 900/2400MHz > - Range: 150ft > - Rate: 1.6mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: $129, Station: $399/Ethernet, $119/Desktop, > $249/Modem > > - Cell phone > - Range: just about anywhere > - Rate: ? > - Price: ? > > I'm seriously considering the third option. Proxim seems to make a > pretty complete line and it has received good reviews. Can any of you > comment on it? I think it sounds pretty good too. I like it because there are Linux drivers, and it seems to be the solution of choice for hams to soup up with better antennas and amplifiers. -- _______ Shawn T. Rutledge / KB7PWD ecloud@bigfoot.com (_ | |_) http://www.bigfoot.com/~ecloud kb7pwd@kb7pwd.ampr.org __) | | \________________________________________________________________ Get money for spare CPU cycles at http://www.ProcessTree.com/?sponsor=5903 From cph Fri Jul 21 13:16:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA24084 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:16:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08825; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:13:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08527; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:13:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08498; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:13:46 -0400 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000721171345.BFRS15084.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a>; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 10:13:45 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: "Chris Schumann" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:13:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wireless networking Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <39784C8C.10080.2709AFC@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <005d01bff333$bcb28140$1000a8c0@cschumann> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi Chris, At 2000 July 21 - Friday 11:50, Chris Schumann spoke about *Wireless networking...* saying > (inspired by wireless phone connection) > > Since ThinkPad's are portable, wireless networking would seem > a logical application, but it seems none of us actually do it. > > If you do, let us know how you do it and what you think of it. > I'm sure we'd all like to know. > > There are several options I know about: > (please correct me if I'm wacked) > > - Infrared > - Range: three feet or so > - Rate: 4mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: Free, Station: ~$500? > > - BlueTooth > - Range: 2 miles? I think 10 metres -see http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6573081217.html > - Rate: 11mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: $159, Station: $1100 > > - 900/2400MHz > - Range: 150ft > - Rate: 1.6mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: $129, Station: $399/Ethernet, $119/Desktop, > $249/Modem > > - Cell phone > - Range: just about anywhere > - Rate: ? > - Price: ? > > I'm seriously considering the third option. Proxim seems to make a > pretty complete line and it has received good reviews. Can any of you > comment on it? Depends on the application. There are some cellular data packet networks that might be cheaper. Some cell phone providers & manufacturers can provide 32 or 64 Kbit interfaces to PCS cell systems, otherwise analog connections are mostly 9600 bps. Tom ------------ Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 Abacurial Information Technology Consulting 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Fri Jul 21 13:48:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA24315 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:48:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12481; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:47:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:45:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12094; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw3.njit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12081; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw3.njit.edu (128.235.251.11 -> mail-gw3.njit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:45:37 -0400 Received: from homer.njit.edu (homer.njit.edu [128.235.35.70]) by mail-gw3.njit.edu (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e6LHjMN24039; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:45:22 -0400 Received: from random.njit.edu (random [128.235.35.107]) by homer.njit.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA29121; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:47:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (marvin@localhost) by random.njit.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA05282; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:43:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Marvin Nakayama To: Chris Schumann cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Wireless networking In-Reply-To: <005d01bff333$bcb28140$1000a8c0@cschumann> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Chris, I have the Proxim Symphony setup at home, and for the most part, I like it a lot. My setup is as follows: 1. one laptop (and no desktop) 2. 2 printers (one hooked up through parallel port, and the other Ethernet) 3. DSL service (640 Kbps download, 128 Kbps uplink) 4. Proxim Ethernet Bridge, Proxim PC Card 5. Ethernet Hub 6. Assorted accessories The way things I have things set up is that the hub is plugged into the DSL modem (router), and then the Ethernet Bridge is hooked into the hub, along with one of my printers. The main reason I originally got the Proxim hardware was that I originally had a wired ethernet card (Xircom), but I almost broke off the dongle, which I thought is ridiculously fragile. So I wanted something that I wouldn't have to worry about. As I said before, for the most part, I like the wireless Ethernet a lot. It allows me to roam around my (very small, NYC) apartment without any wires. As I recall, the advertised transmission rate of the Proxim Symphony is 1.6 Mbps, but I think that PC Magazine did some tests and found that the real rate was about 500-600 Kbps. Although my DSL service theoretically tops out at 640 Kbps, I don't think I ever get more than 500 Kbps when I use a wired ethernet card (and most of the time I get about 300-400 Kbps). Thus, I didn't see the Proxim system as being a bottleneck. Also, the roaming range is supposed to be a couple hundred feet (I think), but I haven't tested this since my apartment is so small (~500 sf). The furthest I am ever away from the base (the ethernet bridge) is about 20 feet (through several walls), and most of the time, the laptop is on a desk that the ethernet bridge is also on. Throughout my apartment, I've never had any problems with connections or noticed any slowdown in the transmission. I guess I could try walking down the street or sit on the stoop outside my apartment, but I haven't tried this. I've also had some problems with the Proxim system, but these might be more due to my ignorance rather than any inherent problems with the Proxim hardware. I had a hard time setting up the Proxim stuff with my DSL modem, but then once it started working, there are no problems. Also, I had to re-install my operating system a couple of times, and each time, I had to struggle getting my Proxim/DSL working again. (I think I now figured it out, so the next time I have to re-install Windows, I'm set.) I also have had problems using my printer through ethernet, but this is probably a network problem, not a Proxim problem. Marvin On Fri, 21 Jul 2000, Chris Schumann wrote: > (inspired by wireless phone connection) > > Since ThinkPad's are portable, wireless networking would seem > a logical application, but it seems none of us actually do it. > > If you do, let us know how you do it and what you think of it. > I'm sure we'd all like to know. > > There are several options I know about: > (please correct me if I'm wacked) > > - Infrared > - Range: three feet or so > - Rate: 4mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: Free, Station: ~$500? > > - BlueTooth > - Range: 2 miles? > - Rate: 11mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: $159, Station: $1100 > > - 900/2400MHz > - Range: 150ft > - Rate: 1.6mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: $129, Station: $399/Ethernet, $119/Desktop, > $249/Modem > > - Cell phone > - Range: just about anywhere > - Rate: ? > - Price: ? > > I'm seriously considering the third option. Proxim seems to make a > pretty complete line and it has received good reviews. Can any of you > comment on it? > > Thanks, > Chris > > > From cph Fri Jul 21 15:01:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA24824 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:01:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19870; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:58:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19470; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19460; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:58:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-d06.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.38 -> imo-d06.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:58:57 -0400 Received: from ReveilleX@aol.com by imo-d06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id o.61.5975c28 (4317) for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <61.5975c28.26a9f76b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:58:51 EDT Subject: Re: 560 vs. 560E? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 112 List-Unsubscribe: the information i've gotten so far has been pretty helpful. how about the passive screen? for just taking notes, it seems like it might not be that bad, and the lower desirability might result in lower prices on ebay. or is it really that horrid? i've never had to live with a laptop (yet) and i dont know how tiresome it would get in the long run. does the passive screen use less juice because it has so many fewer resistors to power? and yes, the library does have outlets, but i will have a few classes in a row (as many as 3 on some days) and i want it to last, without taking an extra batery. so my basic question boils down to this: is the lower price and (possible) lessened battery consumption totally offest by the crappy refresh rate in standard applications? must be unbearable for games... also, off topic, but hoping for help anyway: i ordered a board from motherboards.com, and have waited over one month for it to come! what are my rights in this situation? i have just found a neighborhood vendor that can beat their price, and i can get it in under a week. can i cancel the order? what if it's already shipped? pardon the seemingly silly question, but i don't have much e-commerce experience! From cph Fri Jul 21 15:04:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA24849 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:04:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20326; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:03:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20128; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pc104.ncdc.noaa.gov (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20113; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pc104.ncdc.noaa.gov (192.153.129.134 -> pc104.ncdc.noaa.gov) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:03:03 -0400 Received: from unity.ncsu.edu (pc104.ncdc.noaa.gov [192.153.129.134]) by pc104.ncdc.noaa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA05205; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:06:46 -0400 Sender: agoldste@pc104.ncdc.noaa.gov Message-ID: <39789F46.4611A7B4@unity.ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:06:46 -0400 From: Andy Goldstein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ReveilleX@aol.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 vs. 560E? References: <61.5975c28.26a9f76b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Regarding passive screens....I used a Toshiba Satellite for a couple of days (don't remember the model, but it was a couple years old) that had a passive screen and I had a lot of trouble seeing things on the screen. Anytime I moved the mouse I couldn't see the cursor because of the passive screen. I had to turn on mouse pointer trails, but even that didn't help all that much. I have a Thinkpad 760XL right now and love it. Andy ReveilleX@aol.com wrote: > the information i've gotten so far has been pretty helpful. how about the > passive screen? for just taking notes, it seems like it might not be that > bad, and the lower desirability might result in lower prices on ebay. or is > it really that horrid? i've never had to live with a laptop (yet) and i dont > know how tiresome it would get in the long run. does the passive screen use > less juice because it has so many fewer resistors to power? and yes, the > library does have outlets, but i will have a few classes in a row (as many as > 3 on some days) and i want it to last, without taking an extra batery. so my > basic question boils down to this: is the lower price and (possible) lessened > battery consumption totally offest by the crappy refresh rate in standard > applications? must be unbearable for games... > > also, off topic, but hoping for help anyway: i ordered a board from > motherboards.com, and have waited over one month for it to come! what are my > rights in this situation? i have just found a neighborhood vendor that can > beat their price, and i can get it in under a week. can i cancel the order? > what if it's already shipped? pardon the seemingly silly question, but i > don't have much e-commerce experience! From cph Fri Jul 21 15:13:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA24915 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:13:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21381; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:11:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21155; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:11:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21141; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:11:31 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id OAA13148 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:11:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.185.103]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id OAA13144 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:11:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000721150919.013203c0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:09:19 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 560 vs. 560E? In-Reply-To: <61.5975c28.26a9f76b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 02:58 PM 07/21/2000 EDT, ReveilleX@aol.com wrote: >the information i've gotten so far has been pretty helpful. how about the >passive screen? for just taking notes, it seems like it might not be that >bad, and the lower desirability might result in lower prices on ebay. or is >it really that horrid? i've never had to live with a laptop (yet) and i dont >know how tiresome it would get in the long run. > Yes, it's that horrid, and it's very tiresome even in the short run. Jane From cph Fri Jul 21 15:48:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA25154 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:48:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25123; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:45:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24994; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24972; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:45:37 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (SPFDA010-0200.splitrock.net [209.156.166.200]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA07254; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:44:26 -0700 Message-ID: <3978A808.AD3306AE@mail.orion.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:44:08 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ReveilleX@aol.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 vs. 560E? References: <61.5975c28.26a9f76b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: ReveilleX@aol.com wrote: > > the information i've gotten so far has been pretty helpful. how about the > passive screen? for just taking notes, it seems like it might not be that > bad, and the lower desirability might result in lower prices on ebay. or is > it really that horrid? i've never had to live with a laptop (yet) and i dont > know how tiresome it would get in the long run. does the passive screen use > less juice because it has so many fewer resistors to power? and yes, the > library does have outlets, but i will have a few classes in a row (as many as > 3 on some days) and i want it to last, without taking an extra batery. so my > basic question boils down to this: is the lower price and (possible) lessened > battery consumption totally offest by the crappy refresh rate in standard > applications? must be unbearable for games... Yuck, don't buy passive. I had an IBM PC110 palmtop with a passive LCD, and it only looked good from dead-on. From even a slight angle, the image would start to wash out and then disappear completely. TFT is well worth it, and a much brighter and more vibrant image. > also, off topic, but hoping for help anyway: i ordered a board from > motherboards.com, and have waited over one month for it to come! what are my > rights in this situation? i have just found a neighborhood vendor that can > beat their price, and i can get it in under a week. can i cancel the order? > what if it's already shipped? pardon the seemingly silly question, but i > don't have much e-commerce experience! You should be able to cancel the order without any charges if it has not shipped. If you paid with a credit card, be sure they didn't already charge your card. If they did, it might be more difficult to cancel the order. If not, it should be no trouble. If it has already shipped, then you'd have to return it. Most places require you to call and get an RMA. I'm sure you will have to pay return shipping at your expense, and most places charge at least 15% restocking fee on all non-defective returns. For mail ordering computer stuff, I always look for best prices at: http://www.pricewatch.com http://www.shopper.com Then to make sure the place is legit, I always check: http://www.resellerratings.com That's a great site where people post about their experiences with a company. If a mail order place has a good rating, I usually go ahead and place an order. If their rating is terrible and lots of people complain, I find some other place. I've had excellent luck this way so far. -- Shawn Lin http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Jul 21 15:54:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA25201 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:54:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26003; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:52:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25802; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25788; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:51:53 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (SPFDA010-0200.splitrock.net [209.156.166.200]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA08076; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 12:51:49 -0700 Message-ID: <3978A9C3.B79063D@mail.orion.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:51:31 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Julian Thomas CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? References: <200007201254.e6KCsSm12873@bean.epix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Julian Thomas wrote: > > I have a 755CE in excellent shape - 40 meg; 540 meg; external backpack PP > CD available. I have a friend who is interested if he can reasonably run > W95 on this machine - mail, netscape (and IE) and not a lot else and don't > currently have any info on how much space a w95 installation requires. > His Toshiba (which is in the process of being preempted by his wife) is > currently using about 1 gig of a 2 gig drive; looks like getting rid of > the cab files alone would clear up a goodly amount of space, and a minimal > install should get rid of some fluff, but I have no idea what is required > for a reasonable setup. I'm actually running Win98 on a 755CE with 16MB and 360MB hard drive! A minimal install fits just fine, as well as IE 4 and all the win98 install files. I think I had 60MB free, but if I removed the win98 install files, that would free up another 100MB for small apps. It's slow, I should have used Win95, but I don't have it. I think Win95's install files were only 60MB, and a typical install around 100MB. That would leave room for mail, netscape, and IE 3. My IBM PC110 palmtop had a 340MB hard drive, and I had win95, IE3, Outlook97 (for mail), and Netscape Navigator on it. > Another question - what's a fair price for this machine? I bought a 755CE 10.4TFT, 16MB RAM, 360MB HD, 33.6 Mwave, P75 upgrade, power supply, but no battery for $86 on Ebay. -- Shawn Lin http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Jul 21 16:10:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA25322 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:10:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27368; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:07:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27070; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27027; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:07:31 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (SPFDA010-0200.splitrock.net [209.156.166.200]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA09539; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:06:41 -0700 Message-ID: <3978AD3F.B9CA6465@mail.orion.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:06:23 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Wireless networking References: <005d01bff333$bcb28140$1000a8c0@cschumann> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Chris Schumann wrote: > > (inspired by wireless phone connection) > > Since ThinkPad's are portable, wireless networking would seem > a logical application, but it seems none of us actually do it. > > If you do, let us know how you do it and what you think of it. > I'm sure we'd all like to know. Sure, I do it wireless at 2.4GHz using Diamond Multimedia's HomeFree Wireless. It's the cheapest, especially if you have an ISA slot in your desktop machine. Slow, since it's just 1mbps, but it's plenty fast enough for my 56k internet connection (via internet sharing) and plenty fast enough for printer sharing. A bit slow for copying large files or running install files from the desktop machine though. A "Combo Pac" which includes 1 PCMCIA card for your laptop, and 1 ISA card for your desktop PC retails for $179, but I bought the Combo Pac for $47 on Diamond's online auction (http://eauction.diamondmm.com). Last time it went for $55. At any rate, for less than $100 for a total solution, I think the price can't be beat. I had no ISA slots free, so I had to buy a Combo Pac and a Desktop Pac (which I've seen go for $39 on Diamond's auction). The Desktop Pac includes 1 PCI and 1 ISA cards. I ended up selling both ISA cards for $48 on Ebay to recoup some costs. HomeFree is pretty much peer-to-peer, except one machine must be designated the internet server if you want internet sharing. It shares via a NAT, so you don't need to change the config on the laptop or mess with proxy settings. There are ONLY Win95/98 drivers for HomeFree Wireless, so if you run a different OS, don't bother with HomeFree. > There are several options I know about: > (please correct me if I'm wacked) > > - Infrared > - Range: three feet or so > - Rate: 4mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: Free, Station: ~$500? This would be pretty handy. By "Station" you mean the desktop PC end, right? A cost of ~$500??? I know my PC has an IrDA connector, but the IR transceiver to plug into it costs ~$500? > - BlueTooth > - Range: 2 miles? > - Rate: 11mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: $159, Station: $1100 Is this 802.11b compliant? I think you could probably set it up for peer to peer, couldn't you? Using two PCMCIA cards and one of those PCMCIA adapters on the desktop end. > - 900/2400MHz > - Range: 150ft > - Rate: 1.6mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: $129, Station: $399/Ethernet, $119/Desktop, > $249/Modem > > - Cell phone > - Range: just about anywhere > - Rate: ? > - Price: ? > > I'm seriously considering the third option. Proxim seems to make a > pretty complete line and it has received good reviews. Can any of you > comment on it? Sort of pricey for just 1.6mbps. Since it also operates at 2.4ghz, I can't imagine it being significantly faster than the much cheaper HomeFree Wireless. Although if you are running a different OS, it might be your least expensive solution. -- Shawn Lin http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Jul 21 16:38:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA25571 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:38:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00010; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:37:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:36:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29597; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zebra.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29572; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:36:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zebra.net (209.12.13.2 -> mail.zebra.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:36:19 -0400 Received: from PROXIM ([209.12.153.245]) by mail.zebra.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id net for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 15:31:25 -0500 Message-ID: <002b01bff342$89db3960$050a0a0a@PROXIM> From: "Bryan Jones" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <005d01bff333$bcb28140$1000a8c0@cschumann> Subject: Re: Wireless networking Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:36:07 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I use the Proxim Symphony system and have been very satisfied. At home: 2 Thinkpads with PC-Cards 1 desktop with PCI card 1 Symphony cordless modem At work: 1 desktop with ISA card Cordless ethernet bridge At home all computers access the cordless modem for internet access. The desktop computer shares its printer with the laptops. At work the desktop computer accesses the wired ethernet via the bridge. This computer is in a remote place with no place to easily run a standard ethernet cable. The laptops can also access the network at work via the cordless bridge. Proxim says this will not work, but you can make it work by adjusting the bridges settings. Never had any problems with Proxim. Works great in my old house (1915), 3500 square feet. Haven't found any places in the house that I can't access. Bryan Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Schumann To: ThinkPad Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 11:50 AM Subject: Wireless networking > (inspired by wireless phone connection) > > Since ThinkPad's are portable, wireless networking would seem > a logical application, but it seems none of us actually do it. > > If you do, let us know how you do it and what you think of it. > I'm sure we'd all like to know. > > There are several options I know about: > (please correct me if I'm wacked) > > - Infrared > - Range: three feet or so > - Rate: 4mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: Free, Station: ~$500? > > - BlueTooth > - Range: 2 miles? > - Rate: 11mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: $159, Station: $1100 > > - 900/2400MHz > - Range: 150ft > - Rate: 1.6mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: $129, Station: $399/Ethernet, $119/Desktop, > $249/Modem > > - Cell phone > - Range: just about anywhere > - Rate: ? > - Price: ? > > I'm seriously considering the third option. Proxim seems to make a > pretty complete line and it has received good reviews. Can any of you > comment on it? > > Thanks, > Chris > > > From cph Fri Jul 21 16:52:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA25705 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:52:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01395; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:52:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:50:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01150; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:50:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01128; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:50:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.163.11 -> sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:50:23 -0400 Received: from mira-sjcm-1.cisco.com (mira-sjcm-1.cisco.com [171.69.2.212]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA13441 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tricent (ssh.cisco.com [171.69.10.34]) by mira-sjcm-1.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AIK19621; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:50:20 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tony Rice" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: Wireless networking Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:49:41 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <002b01bff342$89db3960$050a0a0a@PROXIM> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: What's the minimum required to get a laptop talking to a hub? The Symphony Ethernet Bridge and a Symphony PC card? What does a setup like this cost? -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Jones [mailto:bwjones@zebra.net] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 2:36 PM To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Wireless networking Importance: Low I use the Proxim Symphony system and have been very satisfied. At home: 2 Thinkpads with PC-Cards 1 desktop with PCI card 1 Symphony cordless modem At work: 1 desktop with ISA card Cordless ethernet bridge At home all computers access the cordless modem for internet access. The desktop computer shares its printer with the laptops. At work the desktop computer accesses the wired ethernet via the bridge. This computer is in a remote place with no place to easily run a standard ethernet cable. The laptops can also access the network at work via the cordless bridge. Proxim says this will not work, but you can make it work by adjusting the bridges settings. Never had any problems with Proxim. Works great in my old house (1915), 3500 square feet. Haven't found any places in the house that I can't access. Bryan Jones ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Schumann To: ThinkPad Mailing List Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 11:50 AM Subject: Wireless networking > (inspired by wireless phone connection) > > Since ThinkPad's are portable, wireless networking would seem > a logical application, but it seems none of us actually do it. > > If you do, let us know how you do it and what you think of it. > I'm sure we'd all like to know. > > There are several options I know about: > (please correct me if I'm wacked) > > - Infrared > - Range: three feet or so > - Rate: 4mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: Free, Station: ~$500? > > - BlueTooth > - Range: 2 miles? > - Rate: 11mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: $159, Station: $1100 > > - 900/2400MHz > - Range: 150ft > - Rate: 1.6mbps > - Price: ThinkPad: $129, Station: $399/Ethernet, $119/Desktop, > $249/Modem > > - Cell phone > - Range: just about anywhere > - Rate: ? > - Price: ? > > I'm seriously considering the third option. Proxim seems to make a > pretty complete line and it has received good reviews. Can any of you > comment on it? > > Thanks, > Chris > > > From cph Fri Jul 21 16:53:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA25721 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:53:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01594; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:52:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:51:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01260; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01232; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:51:22 -0400 Received: from [216.59.0.202] (216.59.0.202) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.039) id 397621EC00064033 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:49:50 -0700 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3978A9C3.B79063D@mail.orion.org> References: <200007201254.e6KCsSm12873@bean.epix.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 13:51:05 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: Re: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? List-Unsubscribe: >I bought a 755CE 10.4TFT, 16MB RAM, 360MB HD, 33.6 Mwave, P75 upgrade, >power supply, but no battery for $86 on Ebay. That was a prize, dude! You totally lucked out. I just bought a PowerBook 150 for $107 on eBay and I thought I was getting a real deal. If only the Mwave modem/sound system would work with Linux...then I'd say forget Windows and go Linux. Command-line Linux or Linux XFree86 plus a basic windows manager like fwvm or fwvm95 would run well on something like that. Unfortunately the Mwave is extremely proprietary hardware, and Linux wouldn't have a clue how to deal with it. Take care, --.\\<-H-- Michelle Klein-Hass -- Rescuing orphaned computers from the dumpster! "Trent" B&W G3 350 192/6GB/DVD SSW 8.5.1 -- "Dexter" K5-166 Windows95 OEM SR2.1 "SodyPop" Performa 460 36/1GB FPU 16 bit Video SSW 7.5.3 (Unity) "Samurai Penguin" K6-2 300 128MB/3.5GB/8MB VRAM Caldera OpenLinux eDesktop 2.4 "Amy" IBM Thinkpad 365X Pentium 133, 40MB RAM, 4.3GB HD, W95a + service packs "Dilputer" Celeron 433 PC, 128MB ECC RAM, 8.4GB and 25GB IBM HDs w/W98SE "Red5" PowerBook 150, 8MB RAM (for now) 500MB HD to install, 100MB HD now. With friends: "Jimmy" Classic II 10/250 SSW 7.1.3 and "Catbox" 5x86-133 16/2.5GB Currently down: Classic II (nds drives) SE/30 (nds HD), "Brittany" Classic 4/80 From cph Fri Jul 21 17:09:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA25818 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:09:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03028; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:07:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02868; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zebra.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02855; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.zebra.net (209.12.13.2 -> mail.zebra.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:07:47 -0400 Received: from PROXIM ([209.12.153.245]) by mail.zebra.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 0-12345L500S10000V35) with SMTP id net for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 16:02:56 -0500 Message-ID: <000701bff346$ef6cabc0$050a0a0a@PROXIM> From: "Bryan Jones" To: "Thinkpad" References: Subject: Re: Wireless networking Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:07:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Try PC Connection. You can buy directly from Proxim, but PC Connection gives overnight shipping as standard. The PC cards are about $130, the ethernet bridge are about $400. ----- Original Message ----- From: Tony Rice To: Thinkpad Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 3:49 PM Subject: RE: Wireless networking > What's the minimum required to get a laptop talking to a hub? The Symphony > Ethernet Bridge and a Symphony PC card? What does a setup like this cost? From cph Fri Jul 21 20:04:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA26963 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:04:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11262; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:00:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11025; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.va.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11005; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:00:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc1.va.home.com (24.2.32.66 -> ha1.rdc1.va.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:00:43 -0400 Received: from unity.ncsu.edu ([24.10.242.86]) by mail.rdc1.va.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000722000042.JVCT21409.mail.rdc1.va.home.com@unity.ncsu.edu> for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 17:00:42 -0700 Sender: amgoldst@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <3978E429.C35704B1@unity.ncsu.edu> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:00:41 -0400 From: andy goldstein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Carrying case for Thinkpad? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've been looking at carrying cases for my 760XL recently and have been trying to figure out what will best suit my needs (and price range). I'm a college student, so a backpack style case would probably be best for me (or a sleeve insert of some sort). I've looked at various models, including L.L. Bean's Campus Computer Oranizer and Jansport's Laptop Transit. Can anyone make any recommendations? I don't plan to take my laptop around all that much, just to the library when I need to get out of my dorm room so I can get some work accomplished. Any opinions/thoughts/suggestions would be appreciated! Thanks, Andy From cph Fri Jul 21 20:10:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA27038 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:10:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12023; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:08:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11678; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11656; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:08:37 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA05074 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:08:32 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001301bff370$fa3dbce0$e95c1c3f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <3.0.1.32.20000721150919.013203c0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: 560 vs. 560E? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 14:08:32 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "Yes, it's that horrid, and it's very tiresome even in the short run." Well, some passive is better than others. The machine on which I do most of my word processing is a passive matrix TP560; I prefer this to both my much faster desktops (one of which has a nice 20" monitor) and my other laptop (an active matrix Micron), because I find the advantage of the small/light form factor outweighs the display disadvantage. That doesn't mean that I wouldn't happily trade it for an active matrix version, simply that it is adequate for regular work, despite my own not-insignificant eye problems (severe myopia, astigmatism, and presbyopia). - David R. From cph Fri Jul 21 20:39:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA27183 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:39:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14312; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:37:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14124; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14111; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:37:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.113 -> pilot013.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:37:47 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port23.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.24]) by pilot013.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA24414; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:37:42 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000721203306.00e7db30@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:37:08 -0400 To: andy goldstein , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Carrying case for Thinkpad? In-Reply-To: <3978E429.C35704B1@unity.ncsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I live out of my laptop, and use the Targus backpack unit. It's lasted me more than a year so far, and I use it every day. The way the unit is stored is fairly reasonable--I've never dropped it, but if I did I think it would be OK. I was looking at the critical parts like where the straps are sewen on, and they all look fine. I got this for about $69 at Circuit City last year. --STeve Andre' At 08:00 PM 7/21/00 -0400, andy goldstein wrote: >I've been looking at carrying cases for my 760XL recently and have been >trying to figure out what will best suit my needs (and price range). >I'm a college student, so a backpack style case would probably be best >for me (or a sleeve insert of some sort). I've looked at various >models, including L.L. Bean's Campus Computer Oranizer and Jansport's >Laptop Transit. Can anyone make any recommendations? I don't plan to >take my laptop around all that much, just to the library when I need to >get out of my dorm room so I can get some work accomplished. Any >opinions/thoughts/suggestions would be appreciated! > >Thanks, > >Andy From cph Fri Jul 21 22:21:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA27564 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:21:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18242; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:15:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17954; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:15:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from passcal.passcal.nmt.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17940; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:15:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from passcal.passcal.nmt.edu (129.138.26.245 -> passcal.passcal.nmt.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:15:56 -0400 Received: from uniblab (dialin3.passcal.nmt.edu [129.138.26.203]) by passcal.passcal.nmt.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id UAA27542 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:15:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001001bff382$bd00af60$cb1a8a81@passcal.nmt.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: References: <3978E429.C35704B1@unity.ncsu.edu> Subject: Re: Carrying case for Thinkpad? Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 20:15:41 -0600 Organization: IRIS/PASSCAL - Socorro, New Mexico USA MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: You might want to just get a regular backpack and then checkout www.thepouch.com. Real nice people, and their pouches ain't bad either. :-) Bob 600X ----- Original Message ----- From: "andy goldstein" To: Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 18:00 Subject: Carrying case for Thinkpad? > I've been looking at carrying cases for my 760XL recently and have been > trying to figure out what will best suit my needs (and price range). > I'm a college student, so a backpack style case would probably be best > for me (or a sleeve insert of some sort). I've looked at various > models, including L.L. Bean's Campus Computer Oranizer and Jansport's > Laptop Transit. Can anyone make any recommendations? I don't plan to > take my laptop around all that much, just to the library when I need to > get out of my dorm room so I can get some work accomplished. Any > opinions/thoughts/suggestions would be appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Andy > From cph Fri Jul 21 22:28:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA27584 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:28:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18769; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:24:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18521; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18508; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (192.189.54.17 -> yarrina.connect.com.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:24:30 -0400 Received: from snapper3 (acc7-ppp129.syd.dialup.connect.net.au [210.10.163.129]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id BB357109BD; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:24:25 +1000 (EST) From: "Will Lau" To: "William Armstrong" , "Will Lau" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: Modem update Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:25:08 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: I figured it out Bill. You probably downloaded the Win98/NT driver - there's a Win2000 driver that was posted 1 day later... Try it - I'm downloading it now... > -----Original Message----- > From: William Armstrong [mailto:warmstrong@waldinc.com] > Sent: Saturday, 15 July 2000 9:09 PM > To: Will Lau; ThinkPad List > Subject: RE: Modem update > > > Will, > > This sounds similar to what happens when I try to install the same file. I > also cannot download the file properly into my A20p machine. The file > downloads to 99%, then stalls and knocks out my network connection > completely. Strange, eh? I have supposedly downloaded the file > successfully > to a different machine that is not running W2K, but never to the A20p. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Lau [mailto:contact@snappersolutions.com] > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 11:51 PM > To: William Armstrong; ThinkPad List > Subject: RE: Modem update > > I downloaded it okay, but I cant get it to work on my Win2000 600x! > > Starting the extracted Setup file starts a query "update modem driver", > YES -> a little progress bar starts and then the apps disappears! > > Anyone had more luck or can offer some insight? > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Armstrong [mailto:warmstrong@waldinc.com] > Sent: Saturday, 8 July 2000 6:58 AM > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: Modem update > > > Anyone else have trouble downloading the Lucent modem update for > W2K at the > IBM website? I get to 99% complete and the download crashes. > > Just curious. > > From cph Fri Jul 21 22:47:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA27652 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:47:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19760; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:43:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:40:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19471; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA19458; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:40:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (24.163.250.14 -> el10-24-163-250-14.ce.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 22:40:28 -0400 Received: from uic.edu (yorktown [172.16.172.99] ) by yanos.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:40:21 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:40:20 -0500 (CDT) From: George Yanos To: andy goldstein cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Carrying case for Thinkpad? In-Reply-To: <3978E429.C35704B1@unity.ncsu.edu> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: gyanos@tigger.cc.uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: LL Bean has, or had, a very nice backpack with an extra, padded, section for the laptop. I like it because it doesn't look at all like a computer bag so there is no special reason for anybody to steal it. ******************************************************************* George Yanos 312-413-0059(w) 708-848-4221(h) ******************************************************************* From cph Fri Jul 21 23:48:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA27890 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:48:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21927; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:40:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21742; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21729; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:40:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.120 -> pilot020.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:40:25 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port23.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.24]) by pilot020.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA31712 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:40:19 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000721233645.0208cce0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:39:36 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Carrying case for Thinkpad? In-Reply-To: <3978E429.C35704B1@unity.ncsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Since we are talking about carrying a laptop, I will use this thread to ask if anyone knows of a backpack to carry two laptops. I... I have developed the two laptop lifestyle. I get stares at coffee shops now in Ann Arbor: a person with a laptop is fine but one with *two* laptops is a geek. At least if I had one backpack in which to hold them I would look closer to a normal person... Thanks! --STeve Andre' At 08:00 PM 7/21/00 -0400, andy goldstein wrote: >I've been looking at carrying cases for my 760XL recently and have been >trying to figure out what will best suit my needs (and price range). >I'm a college student, so a backpack style case would probably be best >for me (or a sleeve insert of some sort). I've looked at various >models, including L.L. Bean's Campus Computer Oranizer and Jansport's >Laptop Transit. Can anyone make any recommendations? I don't plan to >take my laptop around all that much, just to the library when I need to >get out of my dorm room so I can get some work accomplished. Any >opinions/thoughts/suggestions would be appreciated! > >Thanks, > >Andy From cph Fri Jul 21 23:52:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA27902 for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:52:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22375; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:45:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22103; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22093; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:45:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-Id: <200007220345.XAA22093@cs.utk.edu> Received: from imo-d08.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.40 -> imo-d08.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:45:07 -0400 Received: from ReveilleX@aol.com by imo-d08.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id o.7b.72ad752 (15886) for ; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web50.aolmail.aol.com (web50.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.11]) by air-id08.mx.aol.com (v75_b1.4) with ESMTP; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:45:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:44:56 EDT Subject: Re: 560 vs. 560E? To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown List-Unsubscribe: thanks everyone, your responses are much appreciated, most notable those from benjamin. one last question, i swear (for now, at least)! i finally took a look at the acrobat files i've heard so much about from ibm. it states that the 120 mhz and 150 mhz models of the 560 and 560E had 60 mhz busses. is the performance hit that noticable? how does this affect battery life? sorry about the obsession over battery life, most of you guys have thinkpads and dont discuss it nearly as much. maybe my curiosity will die down once i get one and pick up a spare battery! and why does the newer "improved" model have a slower bus speed than the 133 mhz model? are the 120 and 150 actually closer in relation than to the others in their family? then again, they have different voltages, so i just don't know (obviously). anyone have any thoughts, please respond, or just tell me to shut up! From cph Sat Jul 22 00:39:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA28095 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:39:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24085; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:33:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23905; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:33:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23892; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:33:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 00:33:36 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (SPFDA010-0257.splitrock.net [209.156.177.3]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id VAA24745; Fri, 21 Jul 2000 21:33:33 -0700 Message-ID: <3979241C.E2ED7BD@mail.orion.org> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2000 23:33:32 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ReveilleX@aol.com CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 560 vs. 560E? References: <200007220345.XAA22093@cs.utk.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: ReveilleX@aol.com wrote: > > thanks everyone, your responses are much appreciated, most notable those from benjamin. one last question, i swear (for now, at least)! i finally took a look at the acrobat files i've heard so much about from ibm. it states that the 120 mhz and 150 mhz models of the 560 and 560E had 60 mhz busses. is the performance hit that noticable? how does this affect battery life? sorry about the obsession over battery life, most of you guys have thinkpads and dont discuss it nearly as much. maybe my curiosity will die down once i get one and pick up a spare battery! and why does the newer "improved" model have a slower bus speed than the 133 mhz model? are the 120 and 150 actually closer in relation than to the others in their family? then again, they have different voltages, so i just don't know (obviously). anyone have any thoughts, please respond, or just tell me to shut up! Hey, your email is not line wrapping (the whole thing is on one continuous line). Yes, 120MHz and 150MHz are on 60MHz busses. It's the same way with desktop systems as well. Internal CPU multipliers are always whole numbers or half numbers, I've never seen any other fraction. So to get 120 and 150MHz, they had to go down to a 60MHz bus. The P120 has a multiplier of 2, 2*60=120. The P150 has a multiplier of 2.5, 2.5*60=150. 100, 133, 166, and 233MHz chips use a 66MHz bus (actually 66.6666-repeating). P100 multiplier is 1.5, P133 multiplier is 2, and P166 multiplier is 2.5, and P233 multiplier is 3.5. Back when these CPUs were popular, it was common practice to take a P150 and overclock it by increasing the bus speed to 66MHz, thus forcing the P150 to run at 166MHz. The same method would cause a P120 to run at 133, or a P75 to run at 100. So in a way, a 120 and 150 ARE in the same 60MHz bus family (as are the original P60 and P90). For what it's worth, I don't notice much (if any) difference in battery life between my TP560 (P133) and my TP560X (P233MMX). There's a lot you can do to increase battery life too, in the power management, you can have the CPU speed reduce when under battery power. -- Shawn Lin http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Sat Jul 22 01:58:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA28553 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 01:58:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26708; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 01:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 01:52:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26616; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 01:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA26603; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 01:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (203.96.92.15 -> mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 01:52:22 -0400 Received: from amlaptop ([210.55.86.23]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail vM.4.01.02.17 201-229-119) with SMTP id <20000722055425.IHDU798.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@amlaptop> for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 17:54:25 +1200 Message-ID: <004901bff3a1$07dbe900$01f2a8c0@amlaptop> From: "Andreas Michaelides" To: References: <001601bff268$97f50100$c68f0118@msnv1.occa.home.com> Subject: Re: TP770 - video out to TV Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 17:52:27 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I've got the same computer, had this feature running over the years with all the evolutions of OS, Win 95, Win 98 and now Win 2000. The feature you are trying to enable so you can see your desktop on a TV screen. This also works well. To view a dvd, just play it, and the DVD picture will automatically be poped out the middle hole on the side of the EVA. Just make sure that the EVA is OK in the device manager. It's normally on IRQ 11 shared with lotsa other devices on that IRQ. The trick is to make sure there isn't an unknown multimedia device in device manager, that means you have to get the drivers in there correctly. HTH, Andreas!! :-) > I've been struggling with this for a long time. I'm trying to watch DVD > movies from my TP on my TV. > Using the following: > Windows 98 > DVD and enhanced Video Adapter > Video Out Cable (plugged into DVD Video adapter, then S-Video cable to TV) > SoftDVD > > When I go into TP configuration program and Enable the Video-Out to TV port, > nothing happens. > > Please reply if you have the same setup and are able to watch DVD movies on > your TV. > > Thanks. > > From cph Sat Jul 22 03:30:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA29059 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 03:30:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00208; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 03:26:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 03:22:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00036; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 03:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00023; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 03:22:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 03:22:56 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-117.gate.net [199.227.20.180]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA181190; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 03:22:37 -0400 Message-ID: <39794BD8.240D2704@gate.net> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 03:23:04 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: Hard Drive Passwords References: <005701bff331$f2588da0$1000a8c0@cschumann> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Chris.. i just tried setting the HDD password on my A20p, using a toshiba 12gig drive with w98SE preload.. it worked fine.. i.e. the toshiba takes and retains the password.. Chris Schumann wrote: > (Having no response once before, he asks again) > > Good folken of the ThinkPad mailing list, I would like to know if > the third party hard drives you have accept passwords from the > ThinkPad BIOS. > > If you have one, please try to set the password and ensure the > drive cannot be accessed without entering the password again. > > Also, if you have an IBM drive that's not specifically for a > ThinkPad, give that a try, too. > > Please let me know what you find out, since information can easily > be worth much more than the whole computer. > > I'd be happy to summarize results. > > Chris > > (And hey, I could even try it with my own Toshiba drives. :) -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sat Jul 22 04:17:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA29254 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:17:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02693; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:09:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02529; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA02516; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tisch.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.157 -> tisch.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:09:41 -0400 Received: from user-38ld59r.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld59r.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.149.59]) by tisch.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA28925; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007220809.EAA28925@tisch.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Oscar G. Farah" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 04:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <000401bff2af$3ff9d740$d47c3004@hz2> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: IBM wireless phone connection List-Unsubscribe: I was thinking of the Mwave modem. On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 21:01:49 -0400, Oscar G. Farah wrote: >The other end to the Modem, obviously! > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] >> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 8:32 PM >> To: Oscar G. Farah; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >> Subject: RE: IBM wireless phone connection >> >> >> Cool. I had never thought of hooking a >> wireless phone to a laptop. >> >> How would it work (if it did work)? >> >> One end to the wall and an electrical plug, >> the other end to...? >> >> On Tue, 18 Jul 2000 19:04:44 -0400, Oscar G. Farah wrote: >> >> >The one I have is made by Panasonic. It still won't work for >> you: although >> >the part that hooks to your laptop is rechargeable-battery operated, the >> >part that connect to the telephone line and that also serves as >> a charger is >> >connected to the AC line (no batteries). >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Why pay for something you could get for free? >NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email >http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Sat Jul 22 08:05:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA29864 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:05:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12554; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:01:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 07:57:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12383; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 07:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA12369; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 07:57:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gonzo.speakeasy.net (216.254.0.5 -> gonzo.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 07:57:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 9813 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2000 11:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO grace.speakeasy.org) (192.168.0.2) by 192.168.0.5 with SMTP; 22 Jul 2000 11:57:54 -0000 Received: (qmail 27764 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2000 11:57:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO WALD7) (141.155.114.19) by grace.speakeasy.org with SMTP; 22 Jul 2000 11:57:54 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: "STeve Andre'" , Subject: RE: Carrying case for Thinkpad? Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:00:51 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000721233645.0208cce0@pilot.msu.edu> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Steve (and Andy Goldstein), Take a look at Tom Bihn's backpacks and sleeves. You can find them at www.tombihn.com. IMHO, this is the best stuff out there, and I've tried many of them. The Brain Bag will fit two laptops in Tom's Lapdog sleeves: one in the rear compartment and one in the front. Tom even puts snaps in both compartments to fasten the sleeves down so they don't move about. I have carried an A20p and a 770Z this way when I was transitioning for the older machine to the newer one. It's a heavy load! These are premium bags so they are not cheap. The Brain costs $120, the Lapdog $45, but they are we worth it. I've traveled with this bag all over the world, and also use it daily to commute on my bike to and from my nearby office or to meetings here in New York City. Steve, say hello to Ann Arbor for me. Spent my undergraduate years there almost 25 years ago. Yikes! --Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 11:40 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Carrying case for Thinkpad? Since we are talking about carrying a laptop, I will use this thread to ask if anyone knows of a backpack to carry two laptops. I... I have developed the two laptop lifestyle. I get stares at coffee shops now in Ann Arbor: a person with a laptop is fine but one with *two* laptops is a geek. At least if I had one backpack in which to hold them I would look closer to a normal person... Thanks! --STeve Andre' At 08:00 PM 7/21/00 -0400, andy goldstein wrote: >I've been looking at carrying cases for my 760XL recently and have been >trying to figure out what will best suit my needs (and price range). >I'm a college student, so a backpack style case would probably be best >for me (or a sleeve insert of some sort). I've looked at various >models, including L.L. Bean's Campus Computer Oranizer and Jansport's >Laptop Transit. Can anyone make any recommendations? I don't plan to >take my laptop around all that much, just to the library when I need to >get out of my dorm room so I can get some work accomplished. Any >opinions/thoughts/suggestions would be appreciated! > >Thanks, > >Andy From cph Sat Jul 22 10:55:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA30269 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:55:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16717; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:51:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:48:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16564; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:47:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16554; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:47:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Message-Id: <200007221447.KAA16554@cs.utk.edu> Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.35 -> imo-d03.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:47:58 -0400 Received: from ReveilleX@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id o.74.1630c3f (15876) for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web44.aolmail.aol.com (web44.aolmail.aol.com [205.188.161.5]) by air-id07.mx.aol.com (v75_b1.4) with ESMTP; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:47:51 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:47:50 EDT Subject: 560 port replicator To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Unknown List-Unsubscribe: now that i've figured out what to buy, i figured on also needing a docking station/port replicator for it. i have seen a few on ebay with usb capabilities, and some say it will work with older models, while still others say it will work only with the 560x. who is right? oh, one more thing: how can i load an OS onto a blank machine without a pcmcia cd drive? i suppose i could look around and find one to borrow, but i'm hoping there's a less painful (but probably more time-consuming) way to do it. thanks again everyone. oh, and about the word wrap, i'm writing with aol's browser mail, because i'm away from home right now and logging in as a guest disables web browsing ability. if you're without aol, it probably doesn't make much sense, so i'll sum it up for you: don't ever consider aol. ever. From cph Sat Jul 22 11:00:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30288 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:00:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17166; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:56:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:53:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16901; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:53:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16884; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (192.108.254.26 -> mail1.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:53:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 2212 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2000 14:53:32 -0000 Received: from i48-07-26.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.3.154) by mail1.teleport.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2000 14:53:32 -0000 Message-ID: <3979B669.D4BE362B@teleport.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 07:57:46 -0700 From: Bryan Daum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Jones CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: Wireless networking References: <000701bff346$ef6cabc0$050a0a0a@PROXIM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: There was an IBM wireless connection a couple of years back as I recall but I never saved a record of it. Anyone else recall? I think it was a cordless phone type connection. Bryan Bryan Jones wrote: > Try PC Connection. You can buy directly from Proxim, but PC Connection gives > overnight shipping as standard. The PC cards are about $130, the ethernet > bridge are about $400. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Tony Rice > To: Thinkpad > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 3:49 PM > Subject: RE: Wireless networking > > > What's the minimum required to get a laptop talking to a hub? The > Symphony > > Ethernet Bridge and a Symphony PC card? What does a setup like this cost? From cph Sat Jul 22 11:05:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA30316 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:05:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17554; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:01:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:58:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17346; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:58:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17333; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:58:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.teleport.com (192.108.254.26 -> mail1.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 10:58:28 -0400 Received: (qmail 2897 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2000 14:58:26 -0000 Received: from i48-07-26.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.3.154) by mail1.teleport.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2000 14:58:26 -0000 Message-ID: <3979B790.CC8FF966@teleport.com> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 08:02:41 -0700 From: Bryan Daum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bryan Jones , Thinkpad Subject: Re: Wireless networking References: <000701bff346$ef6cabc0$050a0a0a@PROXIM> <3979B669.D4BE362B@teleport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Oops. sounds like that I missed the begining of the thread that may have been about this very device. Bryan From cph Sat Jul 22 12:29:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA30625 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:29:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21318; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:22:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21102; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:22:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsguy.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21078; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsguy.com (209.155.56.71 -> smtp.newsguy.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:22:37 -0400 Received: from cx417385-a (cx417385-a.okcnw1.ok.home.com [24.4.101.35]) by newsguy.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA70509 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 09:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007221622.JAA70509@newsguy.com> From: "Bill Fayssoux" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 11:22:44 -0500 Reply-To: "Bill Fayssoux" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Standard (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FS IBM 560E with upgrades List-Unsubscribe: This 560E is truly in excellent condition and includes 80 MB of memory 6.4GB IBM drive, the original AC power supply, IBM PMICA 56K modem, PCMICA Network card and a port replicator. I have an additional AC power supply and port replicator that I would include. Asking $750.00 for everything listed above, I bought this machine NEW in Sept. 1999. There are no dead pixels on the screen and no scratches or marks on the case. I will be glad to answer any questions you have, The only reason for selling the 560E is because I bought a T20. bill From cph Sat Jul 22 13:02:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA30706 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 13:02:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22656; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:51:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22451; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.pa.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22438; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:51:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rdc2.pa.home.com (24.12.106.194 -> ha1.rdc2.pa.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:51:03 -0400 Received: from unity.ncsu.edu ([24.10.242.86]) by mail.rdc2.pa.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000722165102.PWIP12354.mail.rdc2.pa.home.com@unity.ncsu.edu> for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 09:51:02 -0700 Sender: amgoldst@cs.utk.edu Message-ID: <3979D0F6.C9DE8C00@unity.ncsu.edu> Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 12:51:02 -0400 From: andy goldstein X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.14-15mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Carrying case for Thinkpad? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for everyone's input so far. I had looked at the Brain Bag and Lapdog before, but had forgotten about them. I already have a backpack that I use for school, so I think I'm going to go with the Lapdog and just put that in my current backpack. Thanks again, Andy William Armstrong wrote: > Steve (and Andy Goldstein), > > Take a look at Tom Bihn's backpacks and sleeves. You can find them at > www.tombihn.com. IMHO, this is the best stuff out there, and I've tried many > of them. The Brain Bag will fit two laptops in Tom's Lapdog sleeves: one in > the rear compartment and one in the front. Tom even puts snaps in both > compartments to fasten the sleeves down so they don't move about. I have > carried an A20p and a 770Z this way when I was transitioning for the older > machine to the newer one. It's a heavy load! These are premium bags so they > are not cheap. The Brain costs $120, the Lapdog $45, but they are we worth > it. I've traveled with this bag all over the world, and also use it daily to > commute on my bike to and from my nearby office or to meetings here in New > York City. > > Steve, say hello to Ann Arbor for me. Spent my undergraduate years there > almost 25 years ago. Yikes! From cph Sat Jul 22 15:05:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA31131 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 15:05:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26908; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 15:01:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:57:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26614; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:57:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26601; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 14:57:34 -0400 Received: from mlw ([64.108.196.87]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20000722185731.LAEX965.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@mlw>; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 13:57:31 -0500 Message-ID: <003101bff40e$c97d1300$0201a8c0@mlw> From: "Matt Winston" To: , References: <200007221447.KAA16554@cs.utk.edu> Subject: Re: 560 port replicator Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 13:58:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01BFF3E4.DEEB0320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BFF3E4.DEEB0320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The Thinkpad 560 won't work with the enhanced 560x port replicator. No = external USB/pcmcia support on the 560. You'll need a cdrom or network connection for your install. You have to = get those setup files onto the hard drive. Matt ----- Original Message -----=20 From: ReveilleX@aol.com=20 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu=20 Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 9:47 AM Subject: 560 port replicator now that i've figured out what to buy, i figured on also needing a = docking station/port replicator for it. i have seen a few on ebay with = usb capabilities, and some say it will work with older models, while = still others say it will work only with the 560x. who is right? oh, one = more thing: how can i load an OS onto a blank machine without a pcmcia = cd drive? i suppose i could look around and find one to borrow, but i'm = hoping there's a less painful (but probably more time-consuming) way to = do it. thanks again everyone. oh, and about the word wrap, i'm writing = with aol's browser mail, because i'm away from home right now and = logging in as a guest disables web browsing ability. if you're without = aol, it probably doesn't make much sense, so i'll sum it up for you: = don't ever consider aol. ever. ------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BFF3E4.DEEB0320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Thinkpad 560 = won't work with=20 the enhanced 560x port replicator. No external USB/pcmcia support on the = 560.
You'll need a cdrom = or network=20 connection for your install. You have to get those setup files onto the = hard=20 drive.
Matt
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Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 = 9:47=20 AM
Subject: 560 port = replicator

now that i've figured out what to buy, i figured on = also=20 needing a docking station/port replicator for it. i have seen a few on = ebay=20 with usb capabilities, and some say it will work with older models, = while=20 still others say it will work only with the 560x. who is right? oh, = one more=20 thing: how can i load an OS onto a blank machine without a pcmcia cd = drive? i=20 suppose i could look around and find one to borrow, but i'm hoping = there's a=20 less painful (but probably more time-consuming) way to do it. thanks = again=20 everyone. oh, and about the word wrap, i'm writing with aol's browser = mail,=20 because i'm away from home right now and logging in as a guest = disables web=20 browsing ability. if you're without aol, it probably doesn't make much = sense,=20 so i'll sum it up for you: don't ever consider aol.=20 ever.
------=_NextPart_000_002E_01BFF3E4.DEEB0320-- From cph Sat Jul 22 22:22:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA32308 for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:22:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11311; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:16:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10892; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10879; Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (192.189.54.17 -> yarrina.connect.com.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 22 Jul 2000 22:16:18 -0400 Received: from snapper3 (acc2-ppp207.syd.dialup.connect.net.au [210.10.160.207]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id 26F31106F2; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:15:36 +1000 (EST) From: "Will Lau" To: "George Yanos" , "andy goldstein" Cc: Subject: RE: Carrying case for Thinkpad? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:16:18 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: OK here's a tip for the do-it-yourselfer... Go into a store and buy some neopreme foam 9-12mm and some duct-tape. Cut out a rectangular pattern to hug you thinkpad and ducttape it together (not the thinkpad :) - duct tape is perfect for seamsealing the butted joints. Now throw it into you bag of choice. I've been traveling with my 600x for 3 weeks now and carry it in a backpack/rucsack 10 hrs a day - no problems. You can also buy a designer sports bag and line the *bag* with the foam to make a nice looking slimline bag that doesn't say "computer inside - please steal me". That's what I do when I'm carrying it in the city back at home. > -----Original Message----- > From: George Yanos [mailto:gyanos@uic.edu] > Sent: Saturday, 22 July 2000 12:40 PM > To: andy goldstein > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Carrying case for Thinkpad? > > > LL Bean has, or had, a very nice backpack with an extra, padded, section > for the laptop. I like it because it doesn't look at all like a > computer bag so there is no special reason for anybody to steal it. > > ******************************************************************* > George Yanos > 312-413-0059(w) > 708-848-4221(h) > ******************************************************************* > > > From cph Sun Jul 23 03:16:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA00598 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:16:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21491; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:16:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:13:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21187; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21174; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:13:12 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-232.gate.net [199.227.131.41]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA32670; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:12:58 -0400 Message-ID: <397A9B15.C8F1628A@gate.net> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:13:25 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Bill Fayssoux CC: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: FS IBM 560E with upgrades References: <200007221622.JAA70509@newsguy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Bill.. please feel free to post this machine on the thinkpads.com open forum.. :-) Bill Fayssoux wrote: > This 560E is truly in excellent condition and includes 80 MB > of memory 6.4GB IBM drive, the original AC power supply, IBM PMICA 56K modem, PCMICA Network card and a port > replicator. I have an additional AC power supply and port replicator that I would include. Asking $750.00 for everything listed > above, I bought this machine NEW in Sept. 1999. There are no dead pixels on the screen and no scratches or marks on the > case. > > I will be glad to answer any questions you have, > > The only reason for selling the 560E is because I bought a T20. > bill -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Jul 23 06:50:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA10402 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 06:50:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00946; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 06:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 06:45:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00799; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 06:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA00786; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 06:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 06:45:42 -0400 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000723104541.NELE15084.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a>; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 03:45:41 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: "Will Lau" Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 06:45:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Carrying case for Thinkpad? Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com CC: Message-ID: <397A9495.14778.13147CA@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: At 2000 July 23 - Sunday 12:16, Will Lau spoke about *RE: Carrying case for Thinkpad?...* saying > OK here's a tip for the do-it-yourselfer... > > Go into a store and buy some neopreme foam 9-12mm and some duct-tape. Cut > out a rectangular pattern to hug you thinkpad and ducttape it together (not > the thinkpad :) - duct tape is perfect for seamsealing the butted joints. > Now throw it into you bag of choice. Or the blue foam backpackers use to sleep on. > > I've been traveling with my 600x for 3 weeks now and carry it in a > backpack/rucsack 10 hrs a day - no problems. > > You can also buy a designer sports bag and line the *bag* with the foam to > make a nice looking slimline bag that doesn't say "computer inside - please > steal me". That's what I do when I'm carrying it in the city back at home. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George Yanos [mailto:gyanos@uic.edu] > > LL Bean has, or had, a very nice backpack with an extra, padded, section > > for the laptop. I like it because it doesn't look at all like a > > computer bag so there is no special reason for anybody to steal it. ------------ Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 Abacurial Information Technology Consulting 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Sun Jul 23 09:27:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA10690 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:27:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04416; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:22:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04214; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europe.std.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04201; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:22:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from europe.std.com (192.74.137.10 -> europe-e.std.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:22:46 -0400 Received: from world.std.com (root@world-f.std.com [199.172.62.5]) by europe.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA28924; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from world.std.com (ppp0a108.std.com [208.192.100.108]) by world.std.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA05620; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <397AF266.C33AB734@world.std.com> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:25:58 -0400 From: dmm X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Strauss CC: Thinkpad Subject: Re: TP770 - video out to TV References: <001601bff268$97f50100$c68f0118@msnv1.occa.home.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Joe Strauss wrote: > When I go into TP configuration program and Enable the Video-Out to TV port, > nothing happens. Does the TV video out port work at all? I know there was a problem endemic of TP755CD's where the DIP connector on the video board for the video in/out would lift off its surface-mount solder pads due to heat and torque from the stiff flat ribbon cable lead to the connectors. Of three TP755CD's I've had experience with, all three suffered from this manufacturing quality problem within a year, one twice. What was interesting was that the problem didn't affect video-in, just video-out, because the DIP connector would lift on only one side -- the video-out side apparently. Perhaps this design/manufacturing weakness carried into the TP770 line as well. If this is your problem, then fixing it is, unfortunately, an EasyServ or qualified technician job. BTW, my experiences with EasyServ w.r.t. to this problem were difficult -- they didn't seem knowledgable about TV Video Out vs. VGA Video Out, plus the problem seems likely to return. Apparently few people use the TV out feature. Good luck! ..Don Markuson From cph Sun Jul 23 10:04:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA10796 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:04:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06016; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:00:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05760; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05746; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:00:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.99 -> web118.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 10:00:30 -0400 Received: (qmail 8171 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jul 2000 14:00:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000723140021.8170.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web118.yahoomail.com; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:00:21 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 07:00:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Delorme GPS fixed! To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id KAA06016 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA10797 I got my Delorme GPS fixed, no thanks to Delorme. Actually the GPS itself wasn't bad at all, the Street Atlas program wasn't Y2K compliant even though Delorme says it is on their website, lying bastards! I was trying to run the program and noticed that it was using a date of 1995! That won't work because when it sends the time & date to the GPS to reference it's almanac (so it knows where to find the satellites) it wasn't able to find the ones it was looking for. I downloaded the two updates to the program that are supposed to add support for more GPS receivers and it also fixed the date problem. The update also adds a utility that can monitor receiver operation and it shows the strength of received signals. I removed the worthless passive antenna (that consists of only a 2" square piece of pc board material stuck to the metal case with double sided tape) and added a BNC connector for an external antenna. Reception is much better with an active antenna connected. I compared the signal strength of the active antenna compared to the passive antenna. The passive antenna, when connected with a 6' piece of coax cable couldn't get a fix because only one satellite was strong enough to use since the receiver requires at least a 30 db signal. With the active antenna connected, all the satellites in view would lock in right away and signal strength was 40 to 48db. Any active antenna from Rockwell, Trimble, etc. that runs on 5 volts seems to work OK. I modified the receiver to put out 5 volts on the antenna connection to power the antenna. The modification is easy to do if you are comfortable soldering to small surface mount components. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun Jul 23 12:25:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA11279 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:25:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11436; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:21:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11221; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:21:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11207; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:21:50 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA01002; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:21:49 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA20378; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:21:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000723091429.024f68b8@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 09:16:30 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Delorme GPS fixed! In-Reply-To: <20000723140021.8170.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 07:00 AM 7/23/2000 -0700, you wrote: >I got my Delorme GPS fixed, no thanks to Delorme. >Actually the GPS itself wasn't bad at all, the Street >Atlas program wasn't Y2K compliant even though Delorme >says it is on their website, lying bastards! I was What version of Street Atlas USA were you using? I was using one as old as v. 5.0 (which I think came around in 1997) that worked fine with my Garmin GPS III. From cph Sun Jul 23 15:21:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA11841 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:21:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05861; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:20:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:16:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05634; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web111.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05620; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web111.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.81 -> web111.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:16:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 29655 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jul 2000 19:16:36 -0000 Message-ID: <20000723191636.29654.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web111.yahoomail.com; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:16:36 PDT Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 12:16:36 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Delorme GPS fixed! To: tp750@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id PAA05861 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA11842 It's version 5.0. That's what came with the Tripmate. It had not occurred to me before that it didn't work after 1/1/2000! That's the only program I actually had a problem with. --- Randal Whittle wrote: > At 07:00 AM 7/23/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >I got my Delorme GPS fixed, no thanks to Delorme. > >Actually the GPS itself wasn't bad at all, the > Street > >Atlas program wasn't Y2K compliant even though > Delorme > >says it is on their website, lying bastards! I was > > What version of Street Atlas USA were you > using? > > I was using one as old as v. 5.0 (which I > think came around in > 1997) that worked fine with my Garmin GPS III. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun Jul 23 16:49:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA12178 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:49:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09622; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:49:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:45:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09471; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.panix.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09448; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:45:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail1.panix.com (166.84.0.212 -> mail1.panix.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:45:49 -0400 Received: from aSqueakSystem (broccole.dialup.access.net [166.84.249.114]) by mail1.panix.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AAD330FB3 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:45:46 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: Celeste 2.0 Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2000 16:46:07 Subject: Re: wireless networking To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <20000723204546.9AAD330FB3@mail1.panix.com> List-Unsubscribe: Hi, If you happen to run OS/2 there is are some very nice wireless LAN PCMCIA cards and cards for base stations that can be had cheaply via auction sites and a few other sources. This is discontinued stuff from a couple of years ago when IBM decided to get out of the wireless networking hardware business. I've got two laptops (a 701c and a 560e) that can roam anywhere in the apartment (1300 sq ft with lots of walls) and be connected to the rest of the LAN. All totaled I have about $100 invested in the setup (two PCMCIA cards and an ISA card at a base station - the PCMCIA cards can be configured as a base station so there is no need for a wired network). As far as I can tell there are no drivers for any windows version past win3.11. The OS/2 drivers work fine with Warp 3 or 4 (including TCPIP 4.1). Michael Cole broccole@panix.com From cph Sun Jul 23 17:46:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA12348 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:46:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11678; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:42:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11468; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:42:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11455; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:42:51 -0400 Received: from davidreidmob (tnt10-216-180-65-5.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.5]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e6NLgnP11278 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:42:49 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <003c01bff4ee$f6b34200$0541b4d8@davidreidmob> From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: TP Modem update again <770z> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 16:42:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I missed out on a good bit of discussion regarding this modem udate issue so sorry this is probably redundant. My new 770 has a bunch of dead links for updates particularly, the one for the modem update: http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/popsys.html Anyone familiar with the correct link for the 770z modem update URL? Thanks dave From cph Sun Jul 23 18:12:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA12528 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:12:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13123; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:07:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12853; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12840; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:07:41 -0400 Received: from cliff.concentric.net (cliff.concentric.net [206.173.118.90]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id SAA15558; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:07:38 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by cliff.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id SAA00631; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000723145652.02613700@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 15:03:28 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Delorme GPS fixed! In-Reply-To: <20000723191636.29654.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 12:16 PM 7/23/2000 -0700, you wrote: >It's version 5.0. That's what came with the Tripmate. >It had not occurred to me before that it didn't work >after 1/1/2000! That's the only program I actually >had a problem with. In that case, your problem *wasn't* the software. I used v. 5 just fine for many months this year. Again, you are being far too hard on DeLorme. I don't know what the problem was, but it has nothing to do with Y2K compliancy, because the same version of the software worked flawlessly for me, in conjunction with my GPS, right up through last month--and I use the combination far more than most, given that I travel 3 to 4 round-trips per month. > > At 07:00 AM 7/23/2000 -0700, you wrote: > > >I got my Delorme GPS fixed, no thanks to Delorme. > > >Actually the GPS itself wasn't bad at all, the > > Street > > >Atlas program wasn't Y2K compliant even though > > Delorme > > >says it is on their website, lying bastards! I was From cph Sun Jul 23 20:09:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA12798 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:09:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17950; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:05:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17735; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17722; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:05:43 -0400 Received: from default - 63.22.251.166 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 17:05:14 -0700 From: "Booger" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 19:07:55 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <013781405001870CPIMSSMTPU09@email.msn.com> List-Unsubscribe: join subscribe From cph Sun Jul 23 21:37:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA13089 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:37:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21593; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:37:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:32:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21390; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21377; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:32:41 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (SPFDA010-0127.splitrock.net [209.156.166.127]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA21029 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 18:32:29 -0700 Message-ID: <397B9CA7.79AC304E@mail.orion.org> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:32:23 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: floppy cable? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Is there a floppy drive cable that will let me use the floppy drive from my 560X on a 760ED? The laptop end of the floppy cable is too small. -- Shawn Lin http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Sun Jul 23 21:59:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA13166 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:59:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22568; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:58:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:55:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22401; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22386; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from leonard.anu.edu.au (150.203.2.15 -> leonard.anu.edu.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 23 Jul 2000 21:54:55 -0400 Received: (from e720084@localhost) by leonard.anu.edu.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA06796; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:54:46 +1000 (EST) From: Alden S Klovdahl Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 11:54:45 +1000 (EST) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: t20/a20 & speech In-Reply-To: <20000723204546.9AAD330FB3@mail1.panix.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: does dragon naturally speaking preferred work with the new T20s and A20s? ... anyone actually know from experience? comments appreciated. regards, al Alden S Klovdahl / alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au / fax: +61 2 62 49 05 25 Sociology Arts / Australian National University / Canberra ACT Australia 0200 From cph Mon Jul 24 00:40:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA13756 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:40:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28265; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:35:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28067; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28054; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:35:47 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-351.gate.net [199.227.131.160]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA104688; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:35:41 -0400 Message-ID: <397BC432.9F1D5F43@gate.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:21:06 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Shawn R. Lin" CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: floppy cable? References: <397B9CA7.79AC304E@mail.orion.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Shawn.. yes, there is.. or was.. they have not been available for so long, i no longer even have the part number... i have ONE, in my collection.. you might look on e-bay for these, or the external floppy drive "box" that was supplied with the 760ED-U9A.. it uses the internal floppy in an external box.. i also have one of these in my collection.. the FRU P/N is 66G5069 "Shawn R. Lin" wrote: > Is there a floppy drive cable that will let me use the floppy drive from > my 560X on a 760ED? > The laptop end of the floppy cable is too small. > > -- > Shawn Lin > http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ > > ________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jul 24 01:06:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA13812 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:06:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29347; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:02:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29150; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-1.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29137; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:02:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-1.ziplink.net (206.15.170.62 -> relay-1.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:02:11 -0400 Received: from dallas (quincy-ip-5-50.dynamic.ziplink.net [206.15.147.50]) by relay-1.ziplink.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e6O529906019 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:02:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Subject: "External" DVD player source for TP770ED ? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:02:41 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bff52c$6534d2b0$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Hello all- I own a Thinkpad 770ED / 95495AU with the EVA adaptor, and I'm looking for a DVD player program that will work with the DVD rom drive and the decoder card. I don't have the restore CD, so I don't have a clue on where to start, and I really don't feel like buying another CD from IBM. (I got this unit as an open box special and the restore CD was missing) Is there a way out of this perdicament? I was just going to install win2K and use the DVD player with that, but I really don't want to mess up my current configuration. The unit is currently dual booting 98SE and Windows NT 4.0. If I could get a DVD player app that worked in either one of these, that would be great. Thanks in advance... -Mike From cph Mon Jul 24 01:25:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id BAA13852 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:25:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00134; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:25:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:22:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA00007; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29988; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:22:48 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-351.gate.net [199.227.131.160]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA50712; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:22:43 -0400 Message-ID: <397BD2C0.F68838D7@gate.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 01:23:12 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Capone CC: thinkpads2 Subject: Re: "External" DVD player source for TP770ED ? References: <000001bff52c$6534d2b0$1b00a8c0@dallas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mike.. 1. NT does not have DVD drivers.. at least not when that machine was current.. or ever AFAIK.. 2. Win98SE is not the originally supplied OS.. with all this in mind, i'm sure that a recovery CD can be found.. i'm just trying to recall if the DVD applet is seperate or part of the recovery only.. i'm also trying to think if i have a 770ED recovery copy here.. Mike Capone wrote: > Hello all- > > I own a Thinkpad 770ED / 95495AU with the EVA adaptor, and > I'm looking for a DVD player program that will work with > the DVD rom drive and the decoder card. I don't have the restore > CD, so I don't have a clue on where to start, and I really don't feel like > buying another CD from IBM. (I got this unit as an open box special and > the restore CD was missing) Is there a way out of this perdicament? I was > just going to install win2K and use the DVD player with that, but I really > don't want to mess up my current configuration. The unit is currently dual > booting > 98SE and Windows NT 4.0. If I could get a DVD player app that worked in > either > one of these, that would be great. > > Thanks in advance... > > -Mike -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Mon Jul 24 02:14:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA14058 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:14:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01994; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:09:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01747; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:09:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA01734; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:09:27 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA03408; Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:09:19 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000b01bff535$b5cac5a0$ef5d1c3f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Mike Capone" Cc: "ThinkPad mailing list" References: <000001bff52c$6534d2b0$1b00a8c0@dallas> Subject: Re: "External" DVD player source for TP770ED ? Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2000 20:09:18 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: You might start at www.7thzone.com , www.digital-digest.com , and www.inmatrix.com These will all give lots of information on software-only dvd solutions. If you have a hardware decoder in your machine, best is to get the software that goes with that. The W2K player does *not* do dvd *decoding*, you will still need a decoding engine for that (preferably the one that goes with your card). - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Capone" To: "thinkpads2" Sent: Sunday, July 23, 2000 7:02 PM Subject: "External" DVD player source for TP770ED ? Hello all- I own a Thinkpad 770ED / 95495AU with the EVA adaptor, and I'm looking for a DVD player program that will work with the DVD rom drive and the decoder card. I don't have the restore CD, so I don't have a clue on where to start, and I really don't feel like buying another CD from IBM. (I got this unit as an open box special and the restore CD was missing) Is there a way out of this perdicament? I was just going to install win2K and use the DVD player with that, but I really don't want to mess up my current configuration. The unit is currently dual booting 98SE and Windows NT 4.0. If I could get a DVD player app that worked in either one of these, that would be great. Thanks in advance... -Mike From cph Mon Jul 24 03:07:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA14294 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:07:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03753; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:02:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03434; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:02:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailcore1.oh.voyager.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03421; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailcore1.oh.voyager.net (207.0.229.19 -> mailcore1.oh.voyager.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:02:32 -0400 Received: from daveb (d300.as0.clmb.oh.voyager.net [216.127.3.172]) by mailcore1.oh.voyager.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA65367 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: From: "Dave B." To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: Carrying case for Thinkpad? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:02:29 -0400 Keywords: Miscellaneous Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: I've made a similar case insert for a standard laptop case. Mine is a Sony PictureBook, so it's not directly related to this particular list, but shows what can be done with duct tape, foam, and too much spare time. The foam came from the shipping carton from IBM which I shipped a ThinkPad 760XL in for service. (That was my obligatory ThinkPad reference to make this message relevant to this list.) :-) The case I use is one of the newer CaseLogic Koskin (read: "pleather") cases, the KNL-2 http://www.casedirect.com/cgi-bin/sgin0101.exe?UID=2000072323034471&T1=12 +KNL+2&GEN0=top_blend_comp.jpg&UREQA=2&FNM=00 ). Sorry for the long URL; I didn't design their database. :-) Since the main compartment was too large to securely hold such a small notebook computer, I had to improvise. I needed to design something that would both prevent it from sliding inside the case and keep it protected >from crush hazards like textbooks in the back compartment. The photos on my page don't really give the amount of detail I'd like, but they'll do the trick. The foam is encased in the back by corrugated cardboard. The corrugation goes both horizontally and vertically on alternating layers. This was done to (help) prevent the cardboard from flexing since the alternating layers support each other. The resulting insert even adds another accessory pocket once inside the case. The whole thing adds just a tiny amount of weight to the bag and improves its protection of my laptop by a rather large degree. Photos can be seen at http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~daveb/misc/case/ . Dave > -----Original Message----- > From: Will Lau [mailto:contact@snappersolutions.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 10:16 PM > To: George Yanos; andy goldstein > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: Carrying case for Thinkpad? > > > OK here's a tip for the do-it-yourselfer... > > Go into a store and buy some neopreme foam 9-12mm and some > duct-tape. Cut > out a rectangular pattern to hug you thinkpad and ducttape it > together (not > the thinkpad :) - duct tape is perfect for seamsealing the > butted joints. > Now throw it into you bag of choice. > > I've been traveling with my 600x for 3 weeks now and carry it in a > backpack/rucsack 10 hrs a day - no problems. > > You can also buy a designer sports bag and line the *bag* with > the foam to > make a nice looking slimline bag that doesn't say "computer > inside - please > steal me". That's what I do when I'm carrying it in the city > back at home. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: George Yanos [mailto:gyanos@uic.edu] > > Sent: Saturday, 22 July 2000 12:40 PM > > To: andy goldstein > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: Carrying case for Thinkpad? > > > > > > LL Bean has, or had, a very nice backpack with an extra, > padded, section > > for the laptop. I like it because it doesn't look at all like a > > computer bag so there is no special reason for anybody to steal it. > > > > ******************************************************************* > > George Yanos > > 312-413-0059(w) > > 708-848-4221(h) > > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > From cph Mon Jul 24 03:16:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA14342 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:16:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04346; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:15:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:11:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03977; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03962; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:11:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:11:18 -0400 Received: from default ([12.72.64.68]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000724071116.DTID14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@default> for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 07:11:16 +0000 Message-ID: <397BEC3A.58E3@att.net> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 00:11:54 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04C (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Carrying case for Thinkpad? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I realize this shows no ingenuity whatsoever, and no duct tape is involved, but 600x owners should know that the Coach laptop sleeve fits like it was designed just for it... a perfect fit From cph Mon Jul 24 03:27:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id DAA14370 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:27:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05066; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:22:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04655; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ra.MsState.Edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04641; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ra.MsState.Edu (130.18.80.10 -> Ra.MsState.Edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:22:51 -0400 Received: from tp765l (Dhcp94.ERC.MsState.Edu [130.18.13.243]); by Ra.MsState.Edu (8.10.2/8.10.2/ra_1.18) with SMTP; id e6O7Mo500296 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:22:50 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <013201bff540$3f7c5c50$f30d1282@tp765l> From: "See-Kit Lam" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: Carrying case for Thinkpad? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 02:24:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4131.1600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4131.1600 List-Unsubscribe: about the laptop case that Dave was refering, CaseLogic is having a special discount price for it.... around $25.... the original price is $50. however, i can't find the special offer from CaseLogic web site. hope this is useful to those seeking a laptop case. anyway, i'm using a Sumdex case... also made of koskin, very slim and perfect for my 765L... like it alot. seekit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave B." To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 2:02 AM Subject: RE: Carrying case for Thinkpad? > I've made a similar case insert for a standard laptop case. Mine is a > Sony PictureBook, so it's not directly related to this particular list, > but shows what can be done with duct tape, foam, and too much spare time. > The foam came from the shipping carton from IBM which I shipped a > ThinkPad 760XL in for service. (That was my obligatory ThinkPad > reference to make this message relevant to this list.) :-) > > The case I use is one of the newer CaseLogic Koskin (read: "pleather") > cases, the KNL-2 > > http://www.casedirect.com/cgi-bin/sgin0101.exe?UID=2000072323034471&T1=12 > +KNL+2&GEN0=top_blend_comp.jpg&UREQA=2&FNM=00 ). Sorry for the long URL; > I didn't design their database. :-) > > Since the main compartment was too large to securely hold such a small > notebook computer, I had to improvise. I needed to design something that > would both prevent it from sliding inside the case and keep it protected > from crush hazards like textbooks in the back compartment. > > The photos on my page don't really give the amount of detail I'd like, > but they'll do the trick. The foam is encased in the back by corrugated > cardboard. The corrugation goes both horizontally and vertically on > alternating layers. This was done to (help) prevent the cardboard from > flexing since the alternating layers support each other. > > The resulting insert even adds another accessory pocket once inside the > case. The whole thing adds just a tiny amount of weight to the bag and > improves its protection of my laptop by a rather large degree. Photos > can be seen at http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~daveb/misc/case/ . > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Will Lau [mailto:contact@snappersolutions.com] > > Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 10:16 PM > > To: George Yanos; andy goldstein > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: RE: Carrying case for Thinkpad? > > > > > > OK here's a tip for the do-it-yourselfer... > > > > Go into a store and buy some neopreme foam 9-12mm and some > > duct-tape. Cut > > out a rectangular pattern to hug you thinkpad and ducttape it > > together (not > > the thinkpad :) - duct tape is perfect for seamsealing the > > butted joints. > > Now throw it into you bag of choice. > > > > I've been traveling with my 600x for 3 weeks now and carry it in a > > backpack/rucsack 10 hrs a day - no problems. > > > > You can also buy a designer sports bag and line the *bag* with > > the foam to > > make a nice looking slimline bag that doesn't say "computer > > inside - please > > steal me". That's what I do when I'm carrying it in the city > > back at home. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: George Yanos [mailto:gyanos@uic.edu] > > > Sent: Saturday, 22 July 2000 12:40 PM > > > To: andy goldstein > > > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > Subject: Re: Carrying case for Thinkpad? > > > > > > > > > LL Bean has, or had, a very nice backpack with an extra, > > padded, section > > > for the laptop. I like it because it doesn't look at all like a > > > computer bag so there is no special reason for anybody to steal it. > > > > > > ******************************************************************* > > > George Yanos > > > 312-413-0059(w) > > > 708-848-4221(h) > > > ******************************************************************* > > > > > > > > > From cph Mon Jul 24 04:01:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA14430 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:01:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06579; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:56:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06358; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:56:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rrds.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA06345; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rrds.co.uk (194.128.85.3 -> mail.rdel.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 03:56:19 -0400 Received: from rdel.co.uk (unverified) by mail.rrds.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:56:16 +0100 Received: by rdel.co.uk id IAA10738 ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:56:08 +0100 (BST) Received: by ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BFF54D.01D0A0C0@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk>; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:56:08 +0100 Message-Id: <01BFF54D.01D0A0C0@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk> From: Darren Kennedy To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:56:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: re: linux and mwave, there is a guide on how to get this working on www.linux-thinkpad.org . I haven't tried this myself yet however as it requires dos and I'm totally linux on my 760 now. regards, Darren Kennedy. -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Klein-Hass [SMTP:bosslady@msgeek.com] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2000 9:51 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755CE - win95 in 540meg ?? >I bought a 755CE 10.4TFT, 16MB RAM, 360MB HD, 33.6 Mwave, P75 upgrade, >power supply, but no battery for $86 on Ebay. That was a prize, dude! You totally lucked out. I just bought a PowerBook 150 for $107 on eBay and I thought I was getting a real deal. If only the Mwave modem/sound system would work with Linux...then I'd say forget Windows and go Linux. Command-line Linux or Linux XFree86 plus a basic windows manager like fwvm or fwvm95 would run well on something like that. Unfortunately the Mwave is extremely proprietary hardware, and Linux wouldn't have a clue how to deal with it. Take care, --.\\<-H-- Michelle Klein-Hass -- Rescuing orphaned computers from the dumpster! "Trent" B&W G3 350 192/6GB/DVD SSW 8.5.1 -- "Dexter" K5-166 Windows95 OEM SR2.1 "SodyPop" Performa 460 36/1GB FPU 16 bit Video SSW 7.5.3 (Unity) "Samurai Penguin" K6-2 300 128MB/3.5GB/8MB VRAM Caldera OpenLinux eDesktop 2.4 "Amy" IBM Thinkpad 365X Pentium 133, 40MB RAM, 4.3GB HD, W95a + service packs "Dilputer" Celeron 433 PC, 128MB ECC RAM, 8.4GB and 25GB IBM HDs w/W98SE "Red5" PowerBook 150, 8MB RAM (for now) 500MB HD to install, 100MB HD now. With friends: "Jimmy" Classic II 10/250 SSW 7.1.3 and "Catbox" 5x86-133 16/2.5GB Currently down: Classic II (nds drives) SE/30 (nds HD), "Brittany" Classic 4/80 From cph Mon Jul 24 04:15:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA14507 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:15:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07642; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:14:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:11:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07533; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07520; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007240811.EAA07520@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 04:11:10 -0400 Received: from slip202-135-81-209.bg.th.ibm.net ([202.135.81.209]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000072408110423902sk8kse>; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 08:11:07 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "penzance@gate.net" , "Shawn R. Lin" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 24 Jul 00 12:10:09 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: floppy cable? List-Unsubscribe: Try which is a Thinkpad chopshop Jeffrey Race From cph Mon Jul 24 10:44:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA16135 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:44:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29500; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:40:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29134; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29118; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:40:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:40:08 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-27.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.180]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA10685; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:39:55 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" , , "Shawn R. Lin" Cc: Subject: RE: floppy cable? Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 10:50:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <200007240811.EAA07520@cs.utk.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: That's http://www.bluestarusa.com/ Jeff. The other URL is for Tarot and crystal lovers. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Dr. Jeffrey Race [mailto:jrace@attglobal.net] > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 12:10 AM > To: penzance@gate.net; Shawn R. Lin > Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: floppy cable? > > > Try which is a Thinkpad chopshop > > Jeffrey Race From cph Mon Jul 24 15:23:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA18291 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:23:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23818; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:18:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23310; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ra.MsState.Edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23295; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:18:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ra.MsState.Edu (130.18.80.10 -> Ra.MsState.Edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:18:55 -0400 Received: from tp765l (ws139-64.simrall.msstate.edu [130.18.64.139]); by Ra.MsState.Edu (8.10.2/8.10.2/ra_1.18) with SMTP; id e6OJIr521117 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:18:53 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001401bff5a4$48701590$8b401282@tp765l> From: "See-Kit Lam" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: TP765L : TI Cardbus Slot Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 14:20:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFF57A.5F39C520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4131.1600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4131.1600 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFF57A.5F39C520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi.... i just got an ibm 10/100 etherjet cardbus and was trying = to use it in my 765L. w2k reports that "the firmware of my system is not = supporting cardbus and only supports 16-bit card" ...when i insert the = card. so what's the deal here? i can't use a cardbus ethernet in 765L? = is there a way to enable it? thanks. seekit =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFF57A.5F39C520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BFF57A.5F39C520-- From cph Mon Jul 24 16:05:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18564 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:05:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27346; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:01:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26981; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:01:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26959; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:01:18 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-27.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.180]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA18537; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 20:00:00 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "See-Kit Lam" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: TP765L : TI Cardbus Slot Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:10:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <001401bff5a4$48701590$8b401282@tp765l> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: The 765L is certainly Cardbus compatible so I can't see why W2K didn't load the correct drivers. Check out: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3SBNHE.html for the W95 and NT4 PCMCIA Cardbus drivers and perhaps one of those might correct the situation. HTH, James -----Original Message----- From: See-Kit Lam [mailto:skl2@ra.msstate.edu] Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 2:21 PM To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: TP765L : TI Cardbus Slot hi.... i just got an ibm 10/100 etherjet cardbus and was trying to use it in my 765L. w2k reports that "the firmware of my system is not supporting cardbus and only supports 16-bit card" ...when i insert the card. so what's the deal here? i can't use a cardbus ethernet in 765L? is there a way to enable it? thanks. seekit From cph Mon Jul 24 16:14:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18623 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:14:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28350; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:10:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27981; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:10:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27964; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:10:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (jeffj1@localhost) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e6OKAtc05978; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:10:55 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:10:54 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Jackowski To: See-Kit Lam cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: TP765L : TI Cardbus Slot In-Reply-To: <001401bff5a4$48701590$8b401282@tp765l> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, See-Kit Lam wrote: > hi.... i just got an ibm 10/100 etherjet cardbus and was > trying to use it in my 765L. w2k reports that "the firmware of my > system is not supporting cardbus and only supports 16-bit card" > ...when i insert the card. > so what's the deal here? i can't use a cardbus ethernet in > 765L? is there a way to enable it? The ThinkPad config software has an option to enable and disable Cardbus support on the PC Card slots. The GUI should be easy to figure out. With the command line PS2 program, investigate the options for the PC Card slots starting with "PS2 ?" which will give the general help. > thanks. Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph Mon Jul 24 16:53:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18900 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:53:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02442; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:48:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02086; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:48:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02068; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:48:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.4 -> mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:48:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 16298 invoked by alias); 24 Jul 2000 20:46:42 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 14369 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jul 2000 20:45:34 -0000 Received: from dialupjj207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.35.207) by mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 24 Jul 2000 20:45:34 -0000 Message-ID: <008701bff5b0$4b0c9bf0$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: WinModem CPU use Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:46:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Many thanks to those who have so far responded to my questions about disk drive passwords and wireless networking. I've got a 600X and I'm concerned about CPU use. I would appreciate it if those of you with built-in modems would run this experiment. Start your machine. Start the CPU load monitor (Performance Monitor on NT and Win2K, System Monitor on Win9x). Record CPU use. Make the modem dial (with dial-up networking or Hyperterminal), but do not let it connect. Close the application and record CPU use again. On my system, I get 5 or 6 percent before using the modem and 80 to 100% use after starting the modem. If the modem connects, CPU use goes back down until I disconnect. This could be a serious problem with the modem driver and has a large impact on battery life. Could any of you point me to some kind of "top" program for Windows98 that shows which processes are using CPU? Thanks, Chris From cph Mon Jul 24 16:55:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA18915 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:55:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02825; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:54:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:51:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02359; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ra.MsState.Edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02346; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:51:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Ra.MsState.Edu (130.18.80.10 -> Ra.MsState.Edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:51:22 -0400 Received: from tp765l (ws139-64.simrall.msstate.edu [130.18.64.139]); by Ra.MsState.Edu (8.10.2/8.10.2/ra_1.18) with SMTP; id e6OKoT528904 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:50:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000c01bff5b1$145d2b50$8b401282@tp765l> From: "See-Kit Lam" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: TP765L : TI cardbus slot (followup) Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 15:52:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BFF587.2B361D20" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4131.1600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4131.1600 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BFF587.2B361D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi.... after receiving replies from David, James and and Jeff, i've = enabled cardbus in Thinkpad Config Utility, but w2k is still refusses to = use the cardbus etherjet. i'm kinda hesitate installing NT 4.0 pcmcia driver since w2k = officially support cardbus (got this from ms w2k support web site).... = so i suspect something to do with my 765L. anyone using cardbus with = their 760/765 series under w2k? thanks. seekit ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BFF587.2B361D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
    hi.... after = receiving replies=20 >from David, James and and Jeff, i've enabled cardbus in Thinkpad Config = Utility,=20 but w2k is still refusses to use the cardbus etherjet.
 
    i'm kinda hesitate = installing NT=20 4.0 pcmcia driver since w2k officially support cardbus (got this from ms = w2k=20 support web site).... so i suspect something to do with my 765L. anyone = using=20 cardbus with their 760/765 series under w2k?
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BFF587.2B361D20-- From cph Mon Jul 24 17:05:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA19003 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:05:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03889; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:02:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03587; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:02:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03573; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:02:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 17:02:03 -0400 Received: from matrix ([32.100.255.228]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000072421020223902vaigae>; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 21:02:02 +0000 From: "David Lee" To: Subject: Winmodem CPU Usage. Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:58:35 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I have Norton Utilities 200 System Doctor running. When I log in it pegs the CPU usage at 100%, but when i finally connect the CPU usage drops back to normal, around 3% when idle. From cph Mon Jul 24 18:24:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA19562 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:24:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09689; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:23:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:19:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09336; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:19:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09322; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:19:37 -0400 Received: from user-38ld3om.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld3om.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.143.22]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA17681; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007242219.SAA17681@granger.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "David Lee" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 18:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Winmodem CPU Usage. List-Unsubscribe: It's the modem; not sure what it does up front to produce this. On Mon, 24 Jul 2000 16:58:35 -0400, David Lee wrote: >I have Norton Utilities 200 System Doctor running. When I log in it pegs the >CPU usage at 100%, but when i finally connect the CPU usage drops back to >normal, around 3% when idle. From cph Mon Jul 24 23:40:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA21559 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:40:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26703; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:35:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26431; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out.visi.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26418; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out.visi.com (209.98.98.22 -> kauket.visi.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 24 Jul 2000 23:35:20 -0400 Received: from zippy (171-85.dynamic.visi.com [209.98.171.85]) by mail-out.visi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 8B7C737C9 for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:35:18 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chris Schumann" Cc: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: Wireless networking Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2000 22:35:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: In summary of all the helpful responses to my wireless networking query, here is what I think we (as a pretty sharp group) have been using. Nobody actually uses IR networking, except for device synchronization. If adding hardware to other machines is acceptable, you can save a pile of cash by making one PC a bridge between the wireless and wired networks. This is supported by device makers on Win9x, but can be done with some effort on NT and Linux as well. If adding PC hardware is impossible or not desired, the requirements of distance, speed and price come into play. Bluetooth is much faster at up to 11mbps, costs more and has a short range of about a room. 900/2400MHz is slower at up to 1.6mbps, costs less and has a much longer range. If I lived in a tech-savvy neighborhood, I'd want a packet sniffer on my wireless net, especially if the surrounding homes could pick up my signal. Anyway, thanks for the replies. Chris Schumann From cph Tue Jul 25 04:28:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA22953 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:28:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09652; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:25:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09330; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA09311; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:25:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:25:13 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl3-61.du.gate.net [199.227.136.61]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA135944; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:24:54 -0400 Message-ID: <397D4EF3.601DAFA@gate.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 04:25:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: WinModem CPU use References: <008701bff5b0$4b0c9bf0$1000a8c0@cschumann> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: wintop will give you cpu useage as well as which app is doing the using.. :-) if you can't find it on the MS web site, ask, i have it here someplace and i'll send it.. Chris Schumann wrote: > Many thanks to those who have so far responded to my questions > about disk drive passwords and wireless networking. > > I've got a 600X and I'm concerned about CPU use. I would appreciate > it if those of you with built-in modems would run this experiment. > > Start your machine. Start the CPU load monitor (Performance Monitor > on NT and Win2K, System Monitor on Win9x). Record CPU use. > > Make the modem dial (with dial-up networking or Hyperterminal), but > do not let it connect. Close the application and record CPU use > again. > > On my system, I get 5 or 6 percent before using the modem and > 80 to 100% use after starting the modem. If the modem connects, > CPU use goes back down until I disconnect. > > This could be a serious problem with the modem driver and has a > large impact on battery life. > > Could any of you point me to some kind of "top" program for > Windows98 that shows which processes are using CPU? > > Thanks, > > Chris -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Tue Jul 25 07:24:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA23762 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:24:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19445; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:21:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19347; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19334; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:20:52 -0400 Received: from csi (athe530-m073.otenet.gr [212.205.248.73]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e6PBKKV15739 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:20:21 +0300 (EET DST) From: "Costas S. Iliopoulos" Organization: King's College London To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:19:47 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Difference between TA04XUK and A2041UK Reply-to: csi@dcs.kcl.ac.uk Message-ID: <397DA203.32324.4E72D3E@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Are the A20s on a diet? The TA04XUK is a new model and it's weight is 2.8kg but the A2041UK model appears to be identical to TA04XUK but it's weight is 3kg. Does anybody know of any other differences or what's going on? The Glasgow based IBM-UK gave me the usual moronic answers: "it's a new model, we do not know much about it, aye, ..... " Cheers Costas From cph Tue Jul 25 10:37:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA24803 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:37:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03877; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:37:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:35:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03649; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03613; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail3.teleport.com (192.108.254.31 -> mail3.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:34:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 9879 invoked from network); 25 Jul 2000 14:31:44 -0000 Received: from i48-02-34.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.2.98) by mail3.teleport.com with SMTP; 25 Jul 2000 14:31:44 -0000 Message-ID: <397DA501.3D98975@teleport.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 07:32:33 -0700 From: Bryan Daum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Wireless networking References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: What is a packet sniffer, if you don't mind. I have been surptised that there was not more chatter about cellular. I have been meaning to go looking for one of those expensive cords that link the Nokia phone to the computer (my new 600e). Some cities have Ricochet 28.8 wireless available...not yet here in Portland. I'd also like to know whether there is a site with IR utilities for the TP. Bryan Chris Schumann wrote: > In summary of all the helpful responses to my wireless networking query, > here is what I think we (as a pretty sharp group) have been using. > > Nobody actually uses IR networking, except for device synchronization. > > If adding hardware to other machines is acceptable, you can save a pile > of cash by making one PC a bridge between the wireless and wired networks. > This is supported by device makers on Win9x, but can be done with some > effort on NT and Linux as well. > > If adding PC hardware is impossible or not desired, the requirements of > distance, speed and price come into play. > > Bluetooth is much faster at up to 11mbps, costs more and has a short > range of about a room. > > 900/2400MHz is slower at up to 1.6mbps, costs less and has a much > longer range. > > If I lived in a tech-savvy neighborhood, I'd want a packet sniffer on > my wireless net, especially if the surrounding homes could pick up my > signal. > > Anyway, thanks for the replies. > > Chris Schumann From cph Tue Jul 25 11:16:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA25173 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:16:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07994; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:15:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:14:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07701; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:14:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07688; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:14:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (209.187.11.98 -> nyc-28-h-98.nyc.dsl.cerfnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:14:17 -0400 Received: from bartali (dhcp64.int.networktest.com [10.0.0.64]) by coppi.networktest.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA28596; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:17:25 -0500 From: "David Newman" To: "Bryan Daum" , "Chris Schumann" , Subject: RE: Wireless networking Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:17:11 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <397DA501.3D98975@teleport.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > > What is a packet sniffer, if you don't mind. A sniffer* is a software and/or hardware tool that listens to the transmission medium for any traffic going by, captures it, and decodes the traffic for later analysis. Usually the medium is copper wire, or fiber optic cabling, but it doesn't have to be -- there are also sniffers for wireless networks that pick signals out of the air. > If I lived in a tech-savvy neighborhood, I'd want a packet sniffer on > my wireless net, especially if the surrounding homes could pick up my > signal. not sure how sniffer would be of any help as a defensive measure. One major security issue with sniffers is that they're passive devices and it's difficult if not impossible to tell when other folks are using them to capture your traffic. Regards, David Newman Network Test *Sniffer with a capital S is a trademark for a widely used commercial protocol analyzer. It was developed by Network General Corp., which was later acquired by Network Associates Inc. From cph Tue Jul 25 11:33:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA25271 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:33:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09374; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:31:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09180; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rrds.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09167; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.rrds.co.uk (194.128.85.3 -> mail.rdel.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:31:15 -0400 Received: from rdel.co.uk (unverified) by mail.rrds.co.uk (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:31:18 +0100 Received: by rdel.co.uk id QAA14670 ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:31:05 +0100 (BST) Received: by ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk with Microsoft Mail id <01BFF655.BCFE2AD0@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk>; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:31:09 +0100 Message-Id: <01BFF655.BCFE2AD0@ntwc0613.int.rdel.co.uk> From: Darren Kennedy To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Wireless networking Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:31:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Maybe he was thinking more of sniffing his neighbours amex details. -----Original Message----- From: David Newman [SMTP:dnewman@networktest.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 4:17 PM To: Bryan Daum; Chris Schumann; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Wireless networking << File: ATT00002.txt; charset = Windows-1252 >> From cph Tue Jul 25 11:50:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA25378 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:50:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11786; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:47:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11536; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11523; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.226 -> blount.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:47:55 -0400 Received: from user-38ld40o.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld40o.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.144.24]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA03163; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007251547.LAA03163@blount.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Bryan Daum" , "Chris Schumann" , "David Newman" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:55:00 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Wireless networking List-Unsubscribe: can a 'sniffer' be used to capture selective email -- or just all email headed to or from someone or a business? On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:17:11 -0400, David Newman wrote: >> >> What is a packet sniffer, if you don't mind. > >A sniffer* is a software and/or hardware tool that listens to the >transmission medium for any traffic going by, captures it, and decodes the >traffic for later analysis. Usually the medium is copper wire, or fiber >optic cabling, but it doesn't have to be -- there are also sniffers for >wireless networks that pick signals out of the air. > >> If I lived in a tech-savvy neighborhood, I'd want a packet sniffer on >> my wireless net, especially if the surrounding homes could pick up my >> signal. > >not sure how sniffer would be of any help as a defensive measure. One major >security issue with sniffers is that they're passive devices and it's >difficult if not impossible to tell when other folks are using them to >capture your traffic. > >Regards, >David Newman >Network Test > >*Sniffer with a capital S is a trademark for a widely used commercial >protocol analyzer. It was developed by Network General Corp., which was >later acquired by Network Associates Inc. > From cph Tue Jul 25 11:57:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA25448 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:57:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12539; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:55:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12390; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:55:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12377; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:55:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.122 -> pilot022.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:55:01 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm451-08.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.66]) by pilot022.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA31900 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:54:57 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000725115219.00e388e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:55:11 -0400 To: ThinkPad List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: Wireless networking In-Reply-To: <200007251547.LAA03163@blount.mail.mindspring.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Typically a sniffers job is to sniff out what is on the wire. After logging/catching the data, something else winds up looking at the data stream and does whatever is desired. So, yes, a sniffer/analyzer system could be used to ferret out data intended for a specific user, a group (like a particular domain name), or all email. This is why encrypting anything you don't want others to see is important. --STeve Andre' At 11:55 AM 7/25/00 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >can a 'sniffer' be used to capture selective >email -- or just all email headed to or from >someone or a business? > >On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:17:11 -0400, David Newman wrote: > > >> > >> What is a packet sniffer, if you don't mind. > > > >A sniffer* is a software and/or hardware tool that listens to the > >transmission medium for any traffic going by, captures it, and decodes the > >traffic for later analysis. Usually the medium is copper wire, or fiber > >optic cabling, but it doesn't have to be -- there are also sniffers for > >wireless networks that pick signals out of the air. > > > >> If I lived in a tech-savvy neighborhood, I'd want a packet sniffer on > >> my wireless net, especially if the surrounding homes could pick up my > >> signal. > > > >not sure how sniffer would be of any help as a defensive measure. One major > >security issue with sniffers is that they're passive devices and it's > >difficult if not impossible to tell when other folks are using them to > >capture your traffic. > > > >Regards, > >David Newman > >Network Test > > > >*Sniffer with a capital S is a trademark for a widely used commercial > >protocol analyzer. It was developed by Network General Corp., which was > >later acquired by Network Associates Inc. > > From cph Tue Jul 25 12:14:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA25562 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:14:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14266; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:11:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14041; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14028; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:11:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.131.47 -> mill.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:11:33 -0400 Received: from kend-linux.cisco.com (kend@kend-linux.cisco.com [161.44.130.32]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA27874; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:09:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:09:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: Allan Ballard cc: Bryan Daum , Chris Schumann , David Newman , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Wireless networking In-Reply-To: <200007251547.LAA03163@blount.mail.mindspring.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: > can a 'sniffer' be used to capture selective > email -- or just all email headed to or from > someone or a business? General rule: a sniffer catches /all/ traffic on a given (ethernet) segment. Note that good sniffers can allow you to set up rules (eg. watch for "string" or "IP address", etc.), so, to answer you question, yes/no. ;-) -Ken > On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:17:11 -0400, David Newman wrote: > > >> > >> What is a packet sniffer, if you don't mind. > > > >A sniffer* is a software and/or hardware tool that listens to the > >transmission medium for any traffic going by, captures it, and decodes the > >traffic for later analysis. Usually the medium is copper wire, or fiber > >optic cabling, but it doesn't have to be -- there are also sniffers for > >wireless networks that pick signals out of the air. > > > >> If I lived in a tech-savvy neighborhood, I'd want a packet sniffer on > >> my wireless net, especially if the surrounding homes could pick up my > >> signal. > > > >not sure how sniffer would be of any help as a defensive measure. One major > >security issue with sniffers is that they're passive devices and it's > >difficult if not impossible to tell when other folks are using them to > >capture your traffic. > > > >Regards, > >David Newman > >Network Test > > > >*Sniffer with a capital S is a trademark for a widely used commercial > >protocol analyzer. It was developed by Network General Corp., which was > >later acquired by Network Associates Inc. > > > > > > From cph Tue Jul 25 12:35:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA25715 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:35:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17059; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:35:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:33:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16807; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:33:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16769; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:32:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (38.8.22.2 -> relay21.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:32:53 -0400 Received: from ntmail.doble.com ([204.215.186.11]) by relay21.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13H7d4-0004Nq-00; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:32:37 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:04:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'David Newman'" , Bryan Daum , Chris Schumann , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Wireless networking Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:04:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" List-Unsubscribe: -----Original Message----- From: David Newman [mailto:dnewman@networktest.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 10:17 AM To: Bryan Daum; Chris Schumann; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Wireless networking > > What is a packet sniffer, if you don't mind. A sniffer* is a software and/or hardware tool that listens to the transmission medium for any traffic going by, captures it, and decodes the traffic for later analysis. Usually the medium is copper wire, or fiber optic cabling, but it doesn't have to be -- there are also sniffers for wireless networks that pick signals out of the air. > If I lived in a tech-savvy neighborhood, I'd want a packet sniffer on > my wireless net, especially if the surrounding homes could pick up my > signal. not sure how sniffer would be of any help as a defensive measure. One major security issue with sniffers is that they're passive devices and it's difficult if not impossible to tell when other folks are using them to capture your traffic. Hello, Yeah the FBI is in alittle hot water over their sniffer, Carnivore. I doubt anyone would take a sniffer as a defensive measure. The only reason would be to check the neighbor's computer to see if they have anything on me. This does not sound reasonable. I personally do not like the use of wireless networks for fixed-only applications. Mainly because it is a waste of resources. RF spectrum is limited. Laptop use is okay. The security issues extend to any RF emitting device that is unencrypted. The Congress passed laws about monitoring celluar and other technologies, but I find it amazing that there are few (if any) people taken to court. Look at the people who recorded cellular phone conversations down florida of the former speaker of the house. That is illegal but nothing happened. It seems the laws were passed so the cellular phone people could say that cellular phones are secure because it is illegal to listen. I do not do credit card transactions over a wireless or cellular phone. It is also possible to take the unintentional RF emmissions of a computer and figure out what is on the screen. The government takes this seriously and has a big program codenamed Tempest that shields computers, rooms, buildings, etc. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com From cph Tue Jul 25 12:54:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA25883 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:54:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19379; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:51:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19125; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:51:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19112; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.226 -> blount.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:51:15 -0400 Received: from user-38ld76i.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld76i.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.156.210]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA27678; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007251650.MAA27678@blount.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Ken D'Ambrosio" Cc: "Bryan Daum" , "Chris Schumann" , "David Newman" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:58:26 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Wireless networking List-Unsubscribe: Thanks. I guess I was thinking of servers on the internet, though. It hadn't occurred to me to think of a LAN. On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:09:54 -0400 (EDT), Ken D'Ambrosio wrote: >> can a 'sniffer' be used to capture selective >> email -- or just all email headed to or from >> someone or a business? > >General rule: a sniffer catches /all/ traffic on a given (ethernet) >segment. Note that good sniffers can allow you to set up rules >(eg. watch for "string" or "IP address", etc.), so, to answer you >question, yes/no. ;-) > >-Ken > >> On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:17:11 -0400, David Newman wrote: >> >> >> >> >> What is a packet sniffer, if you don't mind. >> > >> >A sniffer* is a software and/or hardware tool that listens to the >> >transmission medium for any traffic going by, captures it, and decodes the >> >traffic for later analysis. Usually the medium is copper wire, or fiber >> >optic cabling, but it doesn't have to be -- there are also sniffers for >> >wireless networks that pick signals out of the air. >> > >> >> If I lived in a tech-savvy neighborhood, I'd want a packet sniffer on >> >> my wireless net, especially if the surrounding homes could pick up my >> >> signal. >> > >> >not sure how sniffer would be of any help as a defensive measure. One major >> >security issue with sniffers is that they're passive devices and it's >> >difficult if not impossible to tell when other folks are using them to >> >capture your traffic. >> > >> >Regards, >> >David Newman >> >Network Test >> > >> >*Sniffer with a capital S is a trademark for a widely used commercial >> >protocol analyzer. It was developed by Network General Corp., which was >> >later acquired by Network Associates Inc. >> > >> >> >> >> > From cph Tue Jul 25 12:58:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA25929 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:58:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20237; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:58:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:56:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20042; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web115.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20029; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:56:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web115.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.88 -> web115.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:56:38 -0400 Received: (qmail 10876 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Jul 2000 16:56:31 -0000 Message-ID: <20000725165631.10875.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web115.yahoomail.com; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:56:31 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 09:56:31 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: RE: Wireless networking To: Allan Ballard Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id MAA20237 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA25930 There is also a version for the internet called WebXRay from Cinco Networks. Sometimes for sale on ebay. --- Allan Ballard wrote: > Thanks. > > I guess I was thinking of servers on the internet, > though. > It hadn't occurred to me to think of a LAN. > > On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:09:54 -0400 (EDT), Ken > D'Ambrosio wrote: > > >> can a 'sniffer' be used to capture selective > >> email -- or just all email headed to or from > >> someone or a business? > > > >General rule: a sniffer catches /all/ traffic on a > given (ethernet) > >segment. Note that good sniffers can allow you to > set up rules > >(eg. watch for "string" or "IP address", etc.), so, > to answer you > >question, yes/no. ;-) > > > >-Ken __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Tue Jul 25 13:05:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA26048 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:05:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21077; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:04:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20908; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p0016c23.us.kpmg.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20893; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p0016c23.us.kpmg.com (199.207.255.23 -> p0016c23.us.kpmg.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:04:05 -0400 Received: from p0016c56.kweb.us.kpmg.com by p0016c23.us.kpmg.com(Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA23622 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from p0016c22.kweb.us.kpmg.com by p0016c56.kweb.us.kpmg.com via smtpd (for p0016c23.us.kpmg.com [199.207.255.23]) with SMTP; 25 Jul 2000 17:04:03 UT Received: from usnssexc19.kweb.us.kpmg.com by kpmg.com(Pro-8.9.2/Pro-8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA20668 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from usnssexc19.kweb.us.kpmg.com (unverified) by usnssexc19.kweb.us.kpmg.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with ESMTP id for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:03:52 -0400 Received: by usnssexc19.kweb.us.kpmg.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:03:52 -0400 Message-Id: <4B667A39C449D211A50E00805FA7959008794187@USDALEXC03> From: "Egbert, Scott K" To: "Thinkpad (E-mail)" Subject: [TP 600] Boot problems Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:55:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" List-Unsubscribe: One of my TP600s has been having trouble starting up lately. When I start it up, it makes a series of very soft beeps (well, not really beeps, more like soft thuds), and halts. When I pull the CMOS battery, and put it back in, I have to change the time and date, restart, and it boots fine. However, when I try to enter the Easy Setup (to run the diagnostic tests) by holding F1 when I boot, it halts. The on/off switch does not work, and I have to unplug it and remove the battery to get it to restart. Then the process starts all over again. Any ideas? Should I try re-installing the BIOS? Thanks in advance. Scott Egbert ***************************************************************************** The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in the governing KPMG client engagement letter. ***************************************************************************** From cph Tue Jul 25 13:48:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA26393 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:48:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25376; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:47:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:45:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24867; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:45:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24833; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (207.181.194.95 -> atlas.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:45:18 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by atlas.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31275; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA11008; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00dc01bff660$5ceccf60$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "Egbert, Scott K" , "Thinkpad \(E-mail\)" References: <4B667A39C449D211A50E00805FA7959008794187@USDALEXC03> Subject: Re: [TP 600] Boot problems Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 10:47:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: No, you should pick up the phone and call IBM. You either have a defective CMOS battery or a dying ThinkPad. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Egbert, Scott K" To: "Thinkpad (E-mail)" Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 9:55 AM Subject: [TP 600] Boot problems > One of my TP600s has been having trouble starting up lately. When I start > it up, it makes a series of very soft beeps (well, not really beeps, more > like soft thuds), and halts. When I pull the CMOS battery, and put it back > in, I have to change the time and date, restart, and it boots fine. > However, when I try to enter the Easy Setup (to run the diagnostic tests) by > holding F1 when I boot, it halts. The on/off switch does not work, and I > have to unplug it and remove the battery to get it to restart. Then the > process starts all over again. Any ideas? Should I try re-installing the > BIOS? Thanks in advance. > > Scott Egbert > > **************************************************************************** * > The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. > It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else > is unauthorized. > > If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution > or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited > and may be unlawful. When addressed to our clients any opinions or advice > contained in this email are subject to the terms and conditions expressed in > the governing KPMG client engagement letter. > **************************************************************************** * > > From cph Tue Jul 25 14:07:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA26560 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:07:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27566; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:07:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:05:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27303; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:05:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27270; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:05:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:05:18 -0400 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000725180517.GIQL15084.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a>; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:05:17 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: Chris Schumann Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:05:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: WinModem CPU use Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Message-ID: <397D9E9D.19370.2A8986@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <397D4EF3.601DAFA@gate.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Or TaskInfo from http://www.iarsn.com - lots of details, files open, ..... Shareware. Tom At 2000 July 25 - Tuesday 4:25, Bill Morrow spoke about *Re: WinModem CPU use...* saying > wintop will give you cpu useage as well as which app is doing the > using.. :-) > if you can't find it on the MS web site, ask, i have it here someplace > and i'll send it.. > > Chris Schumann wrote: > > > Many thanks to those who have so far responded to my questions > > about disk drive passwords and wireless networking. > > > > I've got a 600X and I'm concerned about CPU use. I would appreciate > > it if those of you with built-in modems would run this experiment. > > > > Start your machine. Start the CPU load monitor (Performance Monitor > > on NT and Win2K, System Monitor on Win9x). Record CPU use. > > > > Make the modem dial (with dial-up networking or Hyperterminal), but > > do not let it connect. Close the application and record CPU use > > again. > > > > On my system, I get 5 or 6 percent before using the modem and > > 80 to 100% use after starting the modem. If the modem connects, > > CPU use goes back down until I disconnect. > > > > This could be a serious problem with the modem driver and has a > > large impact on battery life. > > > > Could any of you point me to some kind of "top" program for > > Windows98 that shows which processes are using CPU? ------------ Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 Abacurial Information Technology Consulting 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Tue Jul 25 14:11:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA26608 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:11:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28159; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:09:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27937; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27924; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:09:44 -0400 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000725180943.GJLJ15084.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a> for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:09:43 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: ThinkPad Mailing List Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:09:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Wireless networking Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <397D9FA7.17352.2E97D0@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <397DA501.3D98975@teleport.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: OptOut.exe from grc.com lets you protect yourself both from outside attacks and from talky programs inside your computer. But other people could still listen to your communications. So use PGP on your email, at least. Tom At 2000 July 25 - Tuesday 11:17, David Newman spoke about *RE: Wireless networking...* saying > > > > What is a packet sniffer, if you don't mind. > > A sniffer* is a software and/or hardware tool that listens to the > transmission medium for any traffic going by, captures it, and decodes the > traffic for later analysis. Usually the medium is copper wire, or fiber > optic cabling, but it doesn't have to be -- there are also sniffers for > wireless networks that pick signals out of the air. > > > If I lived in a tech-savvy neighborhood, I'd want a packet sniffer on > > my wireless net, especially if the surrounding homes could pick up my > > signal. > > not sure how sniffer would be of any help as a defensive measure. One major > security issue with sniffers is that they're passive devices and it's > difficult if not impossible to tell when other folks are using them to > capture your traffic. ------------ Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 Abacurial Information Technology Consulting 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Tue Jul 25 14:22:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA26699 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:22:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29207; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:20:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29021; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29008; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.41 -> mail2.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:20:29 -0400 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail2.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000725182028.GKYK15084.mail2.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a>; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 11:20:28 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: "Cottrell, Eric" , ThinkPad Mailing List Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:20:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Wireless networking Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com Message-ID: <397DA22C.2162.38701E@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi Eric, At 2000 July 25 - Tuesday 12:04, Cottrell, Eric spoke about *RE: Wireless networking...* saying ... > > If I lived in a tech-savvy neighbourhood, I'd want a packet sniffer > > on my wireless net, especially if the surrounding homes could pick > > up my signal. > > not sure how sniffer would be of any help as a defensive measure. One > major security issue with sniffers is that they're passive devices and > it's difficult if not impossible to tell when other folks are using > them to capture your traffic. > > Hello, > > Yeah the FBI is in alittle hot water over their sniffer, Carnivore. > > I doubt anyone would take a sniffer as a defensive measure. The only > reason would be to check the neighbor's computer to see if they have > anything on me. This does not sound reasonable. > > I personally do not like the use of wireless networks for fixed-only > applications. Mainly because it is a waste of resources. RF spectrum > is limited. Laptop use is okay. > > The security issues extend to any RF emitting device that is > unencrypted. The Congress passed laws about monitoring celluar and > other technologies, but I find it amazing that there are few (if any) > people taken to court. Look at the people who recorded cellular phone > conversations down florida of the former speaker of the house. That is > illegal but nothing happened. It seems the laws were passed so the > cellular phone people could say that cellular phones are secure > because it is illegal to listen. I do not do credit card transactions > over a wireless or cellular phone. The digital PCS cellphones are fairly secure, GSM cellphones even more so. Phones and wireless networks which use spread-spectrum are also pretty secure as well as resistant to interference. > > It is also possible to take the unintentional RF emmissions of a > computer and figure out what is on the screen. The government takes > this seriously and has a big program codenamed Tempest that shields > computers, rooms, buildings, etc. A certain degree of paranoia is justified - there are lots of curious hackers out there, as well as jilted lovers, spouses, employees, rivals, .... Besides, it makes oneself feel important when you spend time & effort securing stuff. As well as avoiding feeling stupid afterwards. Tom ------------ Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 Abacurial Information Technology Consulting 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Tue Jul 25 14:39:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA26868 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:39:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01143; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:38:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00986; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00968; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.153 -> ds-img-7.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:37:58 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id OAA03501 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:36:24 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: UK A20 lower spec? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200007251436_MC2-AD7A-D8F@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA26869 In IBM dierect sales ads, here in UK in this month's PC press, the spec for the A20 reads: 64Mb SDRAM 6Gb PIII 500 4Mb graphics 24 x CD W98se £ 1563.00 inc VAT/del is this comprable to US?? Cheers Mark From cph Tue Jul 25 15:00:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA27054 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:00:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04064; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:57:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03621; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:57:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03592; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:57:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (199.224.64.56 -> lima.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:57:01 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp103.epix.net [199.224.125.103]) by lima.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000052301/PL) with SMTP id e6PIuj124509; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007251856.e6PIuj124509@lima.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:56:32 -0400 To: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com>, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200007251436_MC2-AD7A-D8F@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: UK A20 lower spec? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zf/19zf List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id OAA04064 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA27055 In <200007251436_MC2-AD7A-D8F@compuserve.com>, on 07/25/00 at 02:36 PM, Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> typed: >In IBM dierect sales ads, here in UK in this month's PC press, the spec >for the A20 reads: >64Mb SDRAM >6Gb >PIII 500 >4Mb graphics >24 x CD >W98se >£ 1563.00 inc VAT/del For US prices there are 2 sites to check out: www.thinkpad.com (redirects you inside the maze of IBM sites) and you can then find model specifics and prices). Either www.cdw.com or www.warehouse.com (forget which one) had a full listing of A20 models with details and prices. You need to watch the display size also; there are 3 different sizes used in the A20 line. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- Uncle Ed's Rule of Thumb: Never use your thumb for a rule. You'll either hit it with a hammer or get a splinter in it. From cph Tue Jul 25 15:24:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA27258 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:24:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06907; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:20:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06560; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06546; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (209.187.11.98 -> nyc-28-h-98.nyc.dsl.cerfnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:20:05 -0400 Received: from bartali (dhcp64.int.networktest.com [10.0.0.64]) by coppi.networktest.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA29236; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:23:25 -0500 From: "David Newman" To: "Steve C." , "Allan Ballard" Cc: Subject: RE: Wireless networking Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:23:09 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <20000725165631.10875.qmail@web115.yahoomail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id PAA06907 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA27259 actually, it was called *NetXRay*, and Network General bought Cinco Networks before NAI bought Network General. About the only thing that survives from NetXRay is the GUI in the current versions of Sniffer. BTW, if you have a copy of NetXRay hang on to it. Even though its decodes aren't anywhere near as comprehensive/complete as Sniffer's, it will run on Windows 2000 and Sniffer won't. dn > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve C. [mailto:stevec50@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 12:57 PM > To: Allan Ballard > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: RE: Wireless networking > > > There is also a version for the internet called > WebXRay from Cinco Networks. Sometimes for sale on > ebay. > --- Allan Ballard wrote: > > Thanks. > > > > I guess I was thinking of servers on the internet, > > though. > > It hadn't occurred to me to think of a LAN. > > > > On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 12:09:54 -0400 (EDT), Ken > > D'Ambrosio wrote: > > > > >> can a 'sniffer' be used to capture selective > > >> email -- or just all email headed to or from > > >> someone or a business? > > > > > >General rule: a sniffer catches /all/ traffic on a > > given (ethernet) > > >segment. Note that good sniffers can allow you to > > set up rules > > >(eg. watch for "string" or "IP address", etc.), so, > > to answer you > > >question, yes/no. ;-) > > > > > >-Ken > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail – Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From cph Tue Jul 25 16:36:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA27825 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:36:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13203; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:33:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12983; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12969; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:33:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:33:22 -0400 Received: from default - 63.27.203.81 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 13:32:48 -0700 From: "Booger" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 15:36:21 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <0bf784832201970CPIMSSMTPU02@email.msn.com> List-Unsubscribe: subscribe join please send info thanks From cph Tue Jul 25 17:25:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA28167 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:25:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17668; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:23:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17529; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17515; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (24.2.9.40 -> mail1.rdc3.on.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:23:30 -0400 Received: from cr452366-a ([24.114.126.73]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with ESMTP id <20000725212329.UNMZ316.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@cr452366-a>; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 14:23:29 -0700 From: "Tom Trottier" Organization: +1 613 594-5412 Abacurial IT Consulting To: "David Ross" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:23:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Wireless networking Reply-to: TomATrottier@home.com CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Message-ID: <397DCD10.29570.E000D7@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <001701bff677$2f028a60$6b5d1c3f@math.hawaii.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Hi David, At 2000 July 25 - Tuesday 10:30, David Ross spoke about *Re: Wireless networking...* saying > You're confusing optout with zonealarm. All optout will do is disable > commercial 'spyware' apps that sometimes get installed alongside some > windows apps (e.g., gozilla). Zonealarm (not from grc.com, though > they recommend it) is a decent basic firewall to protect from many > outside attacks. That's right, Zonealarm... must have zoned out... > > Since the transmission bottleneck is communication speed and not > processor power, it seems to me that it would be a no-downside > triviality to add an encryption layer to packet transmission; this > should be done by all makers of wireless networking solutions. The main problem with encryption/decryption is key management - very fiddly. Local stuff should be pretty easy when you can go around and punch the key into each device, and you don't have thousands of users sitting on their hands getting mad at you. Tom ------------ Tom Trottier ICQ: 57647974 Abacurial Information Technology Consulting 400 Slater St. Suite 415, Ottawa ON Canada K1R 7S7 __o +1 613 291-1168 fax:594-5412 (877)247-8796 _ \< Vote for your favourite Olympus camera at (+)/'(+) http://www.freevote.com/booth/fav_camera From cph Tue Jul 25 19:40:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA29011 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:40:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27753; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:40:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:38:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27578; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27565; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 19:38:07 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.183.55 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 16:37:35 -0700 Message-ID: <001a01bff691$d0c622c0$c7b71b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: Subject: We are back Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 18:40:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Jeez I missed you guys. My 560 just died on me a few weeks ago and I was forced to use my son's Toshiba 4850 CT. Runs at a scalding 75Mhz. Then I bought a NEC 4230 from Egghead, worst keyboard I have ever seen. The whole thing gives when you type on it. But at least I was back to pentium speed. I made around $450 just parting my broken 560 out on eBay. I ran across another 560 for $200 which I got for that amount. Here's the wild thing, it was BRAND new. The top was scratched to beat the band, but when I opened it, it was obvious that it had never been used. Even had the original thinkpad software, and backgrounds. So to say the least, the NEC is on ebay, and I dumped my old 2.1 gig drive into the 560 and we are back in business. This has the brightest TFT I have ever seen. Brad From cph Tue Jul 25 20:41:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA29369 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:41:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01904; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:38:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01705; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:38:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from valis.olywa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01692; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from valis.olywa.net (216.173.192.2 -> valis.olywa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 25 Jul 2000 20:38:07 -0400 Received: from psynet.net ([208.1.200.140]) by valis.olywa.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-56662U5000L500S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:38:02 -0700 Message-ID: <397E3390.6966B10E@psynet.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:40:49 -0700 From: jaems Organization: ~*~ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: greetins & my 765D audio Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Back to the list after a year. Hope everyone is well. having three days left on my 3yr warrantee, I wantd to make sure Im ok before the big blue ship leaves. Called support just to get a case#, so i guess im ok for a bit, with the issues i raised with them. Their suggest was to down the latest drivers and bios. did that, no change. Here is the problem: audio out to tape deck carries a low rumble and all kinds of little kwink noises, ei when i move the mouse-- independent >from volume of output. i can not make a decent recording, as every quite passage reveals this noise beneath. SO, is this endemic to all 765s? thinkpads? laptops? or can it be fixed? any experiences with this? why oh why is their no line out? if that would solve it. thanks for now, jaems From cph Wed Jul 26 02:13:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA31262 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:13:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16712; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:11:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16616; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16603; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:11:16 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (SPFDA010-0146.splitrock.net [209.156.166.146]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id XAA06582 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:11:03 -0700 Message-ID: <397E7985.7AB25C7@mail.orion.org> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:39:17 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RealVideo Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My Thinkpad 560X has no trouble with RealVideo, but it runs at 233MHz. Does anyone know if a P133 ThinkPad will handle RealVideo without slowing down too badly? More specifically, a 760ED. Thanks. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Wed Jul 26 02:24:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA31311 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:24:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17259; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:22:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17173; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17160; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:22:52 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a30.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.190]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7C1825DA3; Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:22:13 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <397E8482.875CAD9F@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2000 23:26:10 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Shawn R. Lin" Cc: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: RealVideo References: <397E7985.7AB25C7@mail.orion.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: "Shawn R. Lin" wrote: > My Thinkpad 560X has no trouble with RealVideo, but it runs at 233MHz. > Does anyone know if a P133 ThinkPad will handle RealVideo without > slowing down too badly? More specifically, a 760ED. Thanks. > > There is a significant drop in the "playability" with a P133 processor as that is the slowest processor speed recommended by Real Networks. However, you can play them on a 760ED (I did.) James Mckenzie From cph Wed Jul 26 04:54:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA31909 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:54:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23506; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:50:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23329; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23316; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:50:26 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA05042 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:50:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <397EA5FE.2F149CFE@stanford.edu> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 01:49:02 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: Win 95 -> Win 98lite? References: <200007171157.e6HBvZO14261@athserv.otenet.gr> <000f01bff01f$86bdc7a0$a862183f@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: OK, so I stupidly bought a Handspring Visor (Palm clone) without realizing its USB cradle needs a full USB implementation to work. Win 95 OSR 2.1 (what my 560X runs) only gives a partial implementation that doesn't work. So I'm probably going to try moving to Win98lite (strip out IE 4 and Web features). However, the main reason I tried Win98 and went back to Win95 over a year ago was the slow resume that Win98 uses; does anyone know how to get around it? Benjamin -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on Sun (yes!), Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Wed Jul 26 05:09:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA31970 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 05:09:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24519; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 05:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 05:07:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24339; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 05:07:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24326; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 05:07:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 05:07:31 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (SPFDA010-0056.splitrock.net [209.156.166.56]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id CAA17501; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 02:07:26 -0700 Message-ID: <397EAA2F.A578FCF@mail.orion.org> Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 04:06:55 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Koh CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: Win 95 -> Win 98lite? References: <200007171157.e6HBvZO14261@athserv.otenet.gr> <000f01bff01f$86bdc7a0$a862183f@math.hawaii.edu> <397EA5FE.2F149CFE@stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Benjamin Koh wrote: > > OK, so I stupidly bought a Handspring Visor (Palm clone) without > realizing its USB cradle needs a full USB implementation to work. Win 95 > OSR 2.1 (what my 560X runs) only gives a partial implementation that > doesn't work. So I'm probably going to try moving to Win98lite (strip > out IE 4 and Web features). However, the main reason I tried Win98 and > went back to Win95 over a year ago was the slow resume that Win98 uses; > does anyone know how to get around it? I've heard you can speed up resume a little bit by making sure "Reset Display on Suspend/Resume" is UNCHECKED. I think this is in Display Properties under Monitor. Other than that, I don't believe that Win98 has any other resume-related options that would affect resume speed. At least I haven't found any, and I've checked! -- Shawn Lin http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Wed Jul 26 07:12:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA32582 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 07:12:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04289; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 07:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 07:08:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04023; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 07:08:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04013; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 07:08:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.10 -> imo-r10.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 07:08:49 -0400 Received: from Kernow62@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v27.12.) id o.f3.1323514 (3980) for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 07:08:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 07:08:41 EDT Subject: Re: RealVideo To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu (THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 List-Unsubscribe: Shawn, Not sure about the 760ED, but my 380ED at 166Mhz does quite well, in fact the video looks no different from on my desktop running 566Mhz. I don't know if the MMX actually means anything, but the 380ED is so designated. I believe the appearance of the video is actually more affected my your Internet connection, assuming you are watching streaming media. I have 80 meg of RAM, but it doesn't have any effect either, at least not that I can see. I hook my laptop to my TV using an adapter to watch the BBC every evening. It is of adequate quality for this, as long as I don't mind the occasional stop action. ;-) Wondering if a cable modem might work better? Jim. From cph Wed Jul 26 12:33:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA01965 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:33:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28714; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:30:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28382; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:30:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28369; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:30:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:30:23 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.183.94 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:29:52 -0700 Message-ID: <005901bff71f$38d9ade0$5eb71b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: Subject: 560 top cover needed. Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 11:33:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Need a REAL nice top cover for my 560. Must fit the TFT screen, dual scans are different. Let me know and thanks. Brad From cph Wed Jul 26 13:01:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA02220 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:01:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01879; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:59:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01705; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01692; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:59:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web116.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.89 -> web116.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 12:59:16 -0400 Received: (qmail 27200 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2000 16:59:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000726165911.27199.qmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web116.yahoomail.com; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:59:11 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 09:59:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Win 95 -> Win 98lite? To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Sure, don't use Suspend! Mine starts up fast after being asleep in Windows 98 SE, but suspend is not enabled. --- Benjamin Koh wrote: > OK, so I stupidly bought a Handspring Visor (Palm > clone) without > realizing its USB cradle needs a full USB > implementation to work. Win 95 > OSR 2.1 (what my 560X runs) only gives a partial > implementation that > doesn't work. So I'm probably going to try moving to > Win98lite (strip > out IE 4 and Web features). However, the main reason > I tried Win98 and > went back to Win95 over a year ago was the slow > resume that Win98 uses; > does anyone know how to get around it? > > Benjamin > -- > Clickdough - Paid surfing on Sun (yes!), Mac > (68k/PPC) or PC without IE > 4! > > https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh > Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash > for signing up! > > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com > Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one > mouseclick: > http://www.thehungersite.com/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Wed Jul 26 13:33:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA02524 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:33:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05171; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:30:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05027; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05010; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.192 -> web124.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:30:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 14927 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Jul 2000 17:30:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20000726173045.14926.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web124.yahoomail.com; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:30:45 PDT Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:30:45 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: greetins & my 765D audio To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: If you turn up the recording gain high enough you are always going to hear noises. Try turning up the output >from the TP and reduce the recording gain so it doesn't hear the noises or use a high level input, not the mic input. --- jaems wrote: > Back to the list after a year. Hope everyone is > well. > > having three days left on my 3yr warrantee, I wantd > to make sure Im ok > before the big blue ship leaves. Called support > just to get a case#, so > i guess im ok for a bit, with the issues i raised > with them. Their > suggest was to down the latest drivers and bios. did > that, no change. > Here is the problem: audio out to tape deck carries > a low rumble and all > kinds of little kwink noises, ei when i move the > mouse-- independent > from volume of output. > i can not make a decent recording, as every quite > passage reveals this > noise beneath. > SO, is this endemic to all 765s? thinkpads? laptops? > or can it be > fixed? any experiences with this? > > why oh why is their no line out? if that would > solve it. > > thanks for now, > jaems > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Wed Jul 26 13:43:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA02634 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:43:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06664; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:41:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06198; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06122; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (38.8.14.2 -> relay1.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:41:20 -0400 Received: from [206.5.165.109] (helo=GREGORYZEQXR4X) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id 13HVBG-0001ti-00; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:41:18 -0400 From: "Gregory Harris" To: Subject: Selectadock III Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:41:39 -0400 Message-ID: <000001bff728$c148cef0$6da505ce@valuespeed.clom> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Hi everybody, if anybody is interested in buying a Selectadock III for their 770/600, there is an ebay auction on at the moment http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390559332 which claims to be selling 200xSelectadock III new items. The initial price is $75 and for that I think it's a good deal! I don't know the seller but they do have a lot of feedback so I'm hoping/expecting the product should be as described... Greg Harris From cph Wed Jul 26 13:52:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA02683 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:52:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08165; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:51:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:50:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07915; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07902; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.snet.net (204.60.6.55 -> smtp.snet.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:50:12 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (nwhn-sh9-port171.snet.net [204.60.16.171]) by smtp.snet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/SNET-bmx-1.3/D-1.7/O-1.6) with SMTP id NAA04723; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:49:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002801bff729$c08f4d80$ab103ccc@thinkpad> From: "Marc Swanson" To: "Gregory Harris" , References: <000001bff728$c148cef0$6da505ce@valuespeed.clom> Subject: Re: Selectadock III Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 13:48:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, I've bought from this guy before, and he is good to deal with--ships fast, too! Marc S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gregory Harris" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2000 1:41 PM Subject: Selectadock III > Hi everybody, > > if anybody is interested in buying a Selectadock III for their 770/600, > there is an ebay auction on at the moment > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390559332 > which claims to be selling 200xSelectadock III new items. > > The initial price is $75 and for that I think it's a good deal! I don't > know the seller but they do have a lot of feedback so I'm hoping/expecting > the product should be as described... > > Greg Harris > From cph Wed Jul 26 14:53:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA03145 for ; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:53:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13535; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:49:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13290; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13277; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:49:45 -0400 Received: from user-38lc69d.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lc69d.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.25.45]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA08296; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:49:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007261849.OAA08296@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Shawn R. Lin" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 14:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: (Demonstration) PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <397E7985.7AB25C7@mail.orion.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: RealVideo List-Unsubscribe: I've used it with an AMD133 (P75 to P90 equivalent) with48Mb RAM and 1MB L1 cache. Works fine on that home-made desktop. On Wed, 26 Jul 2000 00:39:17 -0500, Shawn R. Lin wrote: >My Thinkpad 560X has no trouble with RealVideo, but it runs at 233MHz. >Does anyone know if a P133 ThinkPad will handle RealVideo without >slowing down too badly? More specifically, a 760ED. Thanks. > >Shawn > > > > > >________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Thu Jul 27 00:09:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA07168 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:09:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA26048; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:06:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25797; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25764; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:06:07 -0400 Received: from matrix ([32.101.173.208]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000072704051725201ojca1e>; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 04:05:18 +0000 From: "David Lee" To: Subject: New Thinkpad user Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:02:24 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I just replaced my Thinkpad 765L with a new Thinkpad 600X. My Thinkpad 600X: Pentium III-500Mhz 320M RAM 12Gig HD 3Com 10/100 Ethernet card. Port Replicator From cph Thu Jul 27 00:28:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA07230 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:28:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27196; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:26:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27070; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chupacabras.flash.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27057; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:26:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chupacabras.flash.net (209.30.2.16 -> chupacabras.flash.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:26:42 -0400 Received: from tomcollins (216-215-73-211.flash.net [216.215.73.211]) by chupacabras.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA18282; Wed, 26 Jul 2000 23:26:31 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00f901bff78b$8a7c9b00$d349d7d8@tomcollins> From: "wrench" To: "Brad Burean" , Subject: Re: 560 top cover needed. Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 00:28:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I have one........Just bought it and it was broken in the same place as my original. Tom -----Original Message----- From: Brad Burean To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: July 26, 2000 11:32 AM Subject: 560 top cover needed. >Need a REAL nice top cover for my 560. Must fit the TFT screen, dual scans >are different. Let me know and thanks. > >Brad > > > From cph Thu Jul 27 08:03:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA08607 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:03:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18167; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 08:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:57:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17897; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:57:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17883; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vasquez.zip.com.au (203.12.97.41 -> vasquez.zip.com.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 07:57:42 -0400 Received: from CNSATwentyM.zip.com.au (kenny79.zip.com.au [61.8.18.207]) by vasquez.zip.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA12099 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:57:32 +1000 (EST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000727215342.00b26de8@pop.zip.com.au> X-Sender: cnscott@pop.zip.com.au X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:57:30 +1000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Chris Scott Subject: dvd region fix for a20m on win2k In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Ive just upgraded(?) my 770 for a new a20m with dvd. I had the 770 region hack previously but i assume this will not work on the a20?? does anyone know of a similar fix? i am willing to do some "investigations" comparing dlls/registry settings >from a20's in different regions. thanks c. From cph Thu Jul 27 11:38:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA09732 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:38:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06611; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:36:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:34:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06407; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06394; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (38.8.22.2 -> relay21.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:34:24 -0400 Received: from ntmail.doble.com ([204.215.186.11]) by relay21.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13HpeZ-0001CE-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:34:23 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:31:38 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Wireless networking Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:31:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I guess I misunderstood this. I thought the sniffer was to sniff other peoples networks to see if they have anything on you. This is a problem with wireless networks. Someone nearby can monitor the traffic and reconstruct data on your system unless the wireless network implements an encryption scheme. I think it is more likely that if you have a fast internet connection that someone would tap into the wireless network and piggyback on your connection. A packet sniffer would just overwhelm you with data and it would not help with any passive listening as mentioned. It would be more effective to take steps to encrypt the signal. A log of connections that most firewalls seem to provide would be more useful as you can look for unknown ip addresses on your subnet. My understanding of firewalls is you can set up rules to reject any unknown IP addresses on your subnet. Basically you are going from a home-based model where all the hosts in the subnet are trusted to a business-based model where you not only protect the network from the internet but from employees doing mischief as well. IMHO the best way to protect you wireless network is to get one with encryption and authentication at the node level. It is important to remember to turn it on 8->. 73 Eric ecottrell@doble.com WB1HBU -----Original Message----- From: David Newman [mailto:dnewman@networktest.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2000 10:17 AM To: Bryan Daum; Chris Schumann; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Wireless networking > > What is a packet sniffer, if you don't mind. A sniffer* is a software and/or hardware tool that listens to the transmission medium for any traffic going by, captures it, and decodes the traffic for later analysis. Usually the medium is copper wire, or fiber optic cabling, but it doesn't have to be -- there are also sniffers for wireless networks that pick signals out of the air. > If I lived in a tech-savvy neighborhood, I'd want a packet sniffer on > my wireless net, especially if the surrounding homes could pick up my > signal. not sure how sniffer would be of any help as a defensive measure. One major security issue with sniffers is that they're passive devices and it's difficult if not impossible to tell when other folks are using them to capture your traffic. From cph Thu Jul 27 11:50:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA09867 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:50:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08056; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:47:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07836; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07353; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (209.187.11.98 -> nyc-28-h-98.nyc.dsl.cerfnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:43:15 -0400 Received: from miles ([192.168.1.2]) by coppi.networktest.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA04326; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:46:42 -0500 From: "David Newman" To: "Cottrell, Eric" , Subject: RE: Wireless networking Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:43:14 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > I guess I misunderstood this. I thought the sniffer was to sniff > other peoples networks to see if they have anything on you. > > This is a problem with wireless networks. Someone nearby can > monitor the traffic and reconstruct data on your system But how would you be able to tell? Again, sniffers are passive -- you generally can't tell whether someone is listening in on you, and others can't tell if you're listening in on them. Yes, strong encryption is a good thing. Regards, David Newman Network Test From cph Thu Jul 27 14:57:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA11299 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:57:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24094; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:53:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:51:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23836; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:51:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from valis.olywa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23821; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from valis.olywa.net (216.173.192.2 -> valis.olywa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 14:51:10 -0400 Received: from psynet.net ([208.1.200.140]) by valis.olywa.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-56662U5000L500S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:51:05 -0700 Message-ID: <3980853E.945CDC55@psynet.net> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 11:53:50 -0700 From: jaems Organization: ~*~ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en,ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: which models DV in/out? References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000727215342.00b26de8@pop.zip.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, trying to find out which new models, or last years models have video abilities, ie. video capture, DV editing, In/out. my 765D has capture, but it is minimally useful due to p166 and other things. do i have to spend 4k to get the goods? anyone have the scoop on these? thanks! jaems ps. thanks Steve C. for your audio help. From cph Thu Jul 27 15:46:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA11676 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:46:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28511; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:43:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28264; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28250; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (194.164.53.205) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 15:43:16 -0400 Received: by mailtest.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.04/2.0) id UAA023.72; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:40:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:40:22 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ThinkPad 235 Message-ID: <20000727204022.F597@eyup.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone ever come across a ThinkPad 235? If you have can you tell me where I can get some info on it? -- John From cph Thu Jul 27 16:32:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA12086 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:32:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03677; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:28:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03049; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03036; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:28:02 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.78.194.199]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000727202757.SLUB1468.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer>; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 20:27:57 +0000 Message-ID: <008c01bff809$402abcc0$c7c24e0c@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Simon Bryquer" From: "Simon Bryquer" To: "John Poltorak" , Subject: Re: ThinkPad 235 Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 16:26:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Go to: http://www.dynamism.com/index.shtml They don't have it listed now -- but they use to sell it and certainly know all about it. SCB -----Original Message----- From: John Poltorak To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, July 27, 2000 3:46 PM Subject: ThinkPad 235 > >Has anyone ever come across a ThinkPad 235? > >If you have can you tell me where I can get some info on it? > >-- >John > > > From cph Thu Jul 27 19:13:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA13452 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:13:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21527; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:11:16 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21218; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:11:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:11:15 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id TAA26049 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 19:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chupacabras.flash.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19647; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:57:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chupacabras.flash.net (209.30.2.16 -> chupacabras.flash.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:57:04 -0400 Received: from tomcollins (216-215-75-115.flash.net [216.215.75.115]) by chupacabras.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA06600; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 12:56:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001a01bff7fc$b67fa0a0$734bd7d8@tomcollins> From: "wrench" To: "wrench" , "Brad Burean" , Subject: Re: 560 top cover needed. Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 13:58:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Sorry, I though it was the cover around the keyboard being discussed. My point is.....the bezel I just bought FROM you is cracked. And the brass lug and stem where the screw goes into just below the crack is destroyed. Not from shipping either. It was clearly broken when shipped. It was described as 'no cracks or chips at all'. I guess this is my $23 lesson this month. >From the email: >I have one, what would you give for it. In real good condition. No >cracks, or chips at all. >Brad >---------- > From: wrench > To: burean ; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: 560 keyboard > Date: Sunday, July 02, 2000 4:11 PM -----Original Message----- From: wrench To: Brad Burean ; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: July 26, 2000 11:28 PM Subject: Re: 560 top cover needed. >I have one........Just bought it and it was broken in the same place as my >original. > >Tom > >-----Original Message----- >From: Brad Burean >To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >Date: July 26, 2000 11:32 AM >Subject: 560 top cover needed. > > >>Need a REAL nice top cover for my 560. Must fit the TFT screen, dual scans >>are different. Let me know and thanks. >> >>Brad >> >> >> > > From cph Fri Jul 28 00:59:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA15077 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:59:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10932; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:54:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:52:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10775; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10762; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 00:52:05 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (206-97-58-103.ip.theriver.com [206.97.58.103]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E432C25DD1; Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:52:01 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <39811258.9B3AB6C8@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 21:55:53 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Newman Cc: "Cottrell, Eric" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Wireless networking References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David Newman wrote: > > I guess I misunderstood this. I thought the sniffer was to sniff > > other peoples networks to see if they have anything on you. > > > > This is a problem with wireless networks. Someone nearby can > > monitor the traffic and reconstruct data on your system > > But how would you be able to tell? Again, sniffers are passive -- you > generally can't tell whether someone is listening in on you, and others > can't tell if you're listening in on them. > When the person monitoring you "Opens their big mouth" and starts to tell you or others what you are up to. It makes things interesting when you tell them that they have violated a Federal statue. > > Yes, strong encryption is a good thing. > If you can use it, use it. James Mckenzie From cph Fri Jul 28 04:55:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA15795 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:55:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20562; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:48:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20415; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:48:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20402; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:48:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 04:48:27 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (SPFDA010-0049.splitrock.net [209.156.166.49]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id BAA02210 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:48:09 -0700 Message-ID: <398148A7.1D84CD66@mail.orion.org> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 03:47:35 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: PCMCIA slots HOT? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: If I put a PCMCIA card in my ThinkPad 760ED, it gets REALLY HOT when I pull it out. When I put my finger in the slot, I can feel that the bottom of the slot is VERY HOT. Not hot enough to burn, but it feels extremely hot. When I eject PCMCIA cards from my 560X, they feel just slightly lukewarm. Normal, or not? The computer seems okay. This is also under AC power (no battery). -- Shawn Lin http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Jul 28 05:07:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA15815 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:07:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21207; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:00:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21078; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:00:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21065; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:00:54 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA21847 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 02:00:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39814B72.1044BBFB@stanford.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:59:30 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad Subject: Re: Win 95 -> Win 98lite? UPDATE References: <200007171157.e6HBvZO14261@athserv.otenet.gr> <000f01bff01f$86bdc7a0$a862183f@math.hawaii.edu> <397EA5FE.2F149CFE@stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I downloaded a fix that lets me HotSync via IR. So I'm still using Windows 95 :-) Thanks anyway to those who replied. Benjamin Benjamin Koh wrote: > > OK, so I stupidly bought a Handspring Visor (Palm clone) without > realizing its USB cradle needs a full USB implementation to work. Win 95 > OSR 2.1 (what my 560X runs) only gives a partial implementation that > doesn't work. So I'm probably going to try moving to Win98lite (strip > out IE 4 and Web features). However, the main reason I tried Win98 and > went back to Win95 over a year ago was the slow resume that Win98 uses; > does anyone know how to get around it? > > Benjamin -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on Sun (yes!), Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Fri Jul 28 05:12:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA15833 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:12:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21824; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:06:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21643; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21630; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blount.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.226 -> blount.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:06:15 -0400 Received: from MYHOSTNAME ([209.86.147.242]) by blount.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA17171; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007280906.FAA17171@blount.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Benjamin Koh" , "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <39814B72.1044BBFB@stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Win 95 -> Win 98lite? UPDATE List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:59:30 -0700, Benjamin Koh wrote: . Win 95 >> OSR 2.1 (what my 560X runs) only gives a partial implementation that >> doesn't work. Partial? In what way is it partial? Did you install the supplement? From cph Fri Jul 28 05:23:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id FAA15859 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:23:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25701; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:17:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25580; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA25567; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.Stanford.EDU (171.64.14.23 -> smtp.Stanford.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 05:16:54 -0400 Received: from stanford.edu (banquo.Stanford.EDU [171.66.3.116]) by smtp.Stanford.EDU (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA22194 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 02:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <39814F2D.73F0A602@stanford.edu> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 02:15:25 -0700 From: Benjamin Koh X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: Win 95 -> Win 98lite? UPDATE References: <200007280906.FAA17171@blount.mail.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Allan Ballard wrote: > > On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:59:30 -0700, Benjamin Koh wrote: > . Win 95 > >> OSR 2.1 (what my 560X runs) only gives a partial implementation that > >> doesn't work. > > Partial? In what way is it partial? Did you install the supplement? The USB supplement is installed, but full USB compliance is still not provided - that comes in Windows 98. Handspring tech support indicates that the Visor needs full USB support, which is not available in Windows 95. Most things work with the partial services provided in Windows 95, but the Visor needs some support only provided in Windows 98 and later. As I just posted in the update, the issue is now moot since I now HotSync via IR (serial port setting). Benjamin -- Clickdough - Paid surfing on Sun (yes!), Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE 4! https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Fri Jul 28 07:33:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA16259 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:33:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00635; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:27:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00497; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA00484; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (209.187.11.98 -> nyc-28-h-98.nyc.dsl.cerfnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:27:29 -0400 Received: from miles ([192.168.1.2]) by coppi.networktest.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA07659; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:28:52 -0500 From: "David Newman" To: "James Mckenzie" Cc: "Cottrell, Eric" , Subject: RE: Wireless networking Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 07:25:23 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <39811258.9B3AB6C8@theriver.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: James Mckenzie wrote: > > > This is a problem with wireless networks. Someone nearby can > > > monitor the traffic and reconstruct data on your system > > > > But how would you be able to tell? Again, sniffers are passive -- you > > generally can't tell whether someone is listening in on you, and others > > can't tell if you're listening in on them. > > > > When the person monitoring you "Opens their big mouth" and starts to tell > you or others what you are up to. It makes things interesting when you > tell them that they have violated a Federal statue. A sniffer is not a very efficient tool for this. Sniffers capture packets, one at a time. An interloper would have to capture and then sift through gigabytes (terabytes?) of uninteresting data before hitting paydirt -- and then would have to reassemble a fair number of packets (assuming the payloads aren't encrytped) to make sense out of a conversation. There are folks doing this -- the FBI's Carnivore is only the most recent example -- but it requires excellent pattern-matching skills, not just sniffing. dn From cph Fri Jul 28 09:46:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA16696 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:46:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09899; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:43:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09404; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web122.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09391; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:43:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web122.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.57 -> web122.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:43:40 -0400 Received: (qmail 11400 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jul 2000 13:43:39 -0000 Message-ID: <20000728134339.11399.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web122.yahoomail.com; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 06:43:39 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 06:43:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: RE: Wireless networking To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Actually there isn't any "pattern matching" or skill required since they can be configured to capture data >from a specific IP or MAC address after first monitoring all the traffic to find ones of interest. > A sniffer is not a very efficient tool for this. > Sniffers capture packets, > one at a time. An interloper would have to capture > and then sift through > gigabytes (terabytes?) of uninteresting data before > hitting paydirt -- and > then would have to reassemble a fair number of > packets (assuming the > payloads aren't encrytped) to make sense out of a > conversation. > > There are folks doing this -- the FBI's Carnivore is > only the most recent > example -- but it requires excellent > pattern-matching skills, not just > sniffing. > > dn > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Fri Jul 28 10:19:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA16967 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:19:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12260; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:17:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12023; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12010; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (209.187.11.98 -> nyc-28-h-98.nyc.dsl.cerfnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:17:40 -0400 Received: from miles (dhcp67.int.networktest.com [10.0.0.67]) by coppi.networktest.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA08061; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:21:07 -0500 From: "David Newman" To: "Steve C." , Subject: RE: Wireless networking Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 10:17:38 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20000728134339.11399.qmail@web122.yahoomail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Actually there isn't any "pattern matching" or skill > required since they can be configured to capture data > from a specific IP or MAC address after first > monitoring all the traffic to find ones of interest. > and the skill required for finding that specific IP or MAC address is ... pattern matching! And once that's done finding the relevant packets of interest in the bitstream requires ... pattern matching! My point was simply that sniffing alone isn't enough to determine what other people have on you; sophisticated filtering is needed as well. You need only to look at the rise in sales of network-based intrusion detection systems over the past couple of years to verify this. We're getting very far afield from Thinkpads. This is my final post on this thread. Regards, David Newman Network Test From cph Fri Jul 28 11:58:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA17793 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:58:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22677; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:55:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22418; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:55:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot014.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22405; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot014.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.114 -> pilot014.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:55:31 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm451-17.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.75]) by pilot014.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA24600 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:55:29 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000728114817.00e60e80@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 11:55:53 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: PCMCIA slots HOT? In-Reply-To: <398148A7.1D84CD66@mail.orion.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: The heat given off by different pcmcia cards varies tremendously. I have a Xircom cardbus card that doesn't get hot at all, and an older Xircom CEM33 card which I think I could actually fry eggs with, after its been on for an hour. As far as I know, the pcmcia system was designed for this. After many hours of use the older card, everything seems fine. It seems that cardbus cards are in general cooler, but things still do work with the older miniature roasters. --STeve Andre' At 03:47 AM 7/28/00 -0500, Shawn R. Lin wrote: >If I put a PCMCIA card in my ThinkPad 760ED, it gets REALLY HOT when I >pull it out. When I put my finger in the slot, I can feel that the >bottom of the slot is VERY HOT. Not hot enough to burn, but it feels >extremely hot. When I eject PCMCIA cards from my 560X, they feel just >slightly lukewarm. >Normal, or not? The computer seems okay. This is also under AC power >(no battery). > >-- >Shawn Lin >http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ From cph Fri Jul 28 12:19:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA18001 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:19:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25022; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:17:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24738; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24724; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:17:10 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.51.3]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000728161708.NWHI14052.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:17:08 +0000 Message-ID: <3981B271.5D3E@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:18:58 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Shawn R. Lin" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PCMCIA slots HOT? References: <398148A7.1D84CD66@mail.orion.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The 760ED is KNOWN for that. Some cards will work properly, others, like some of the Megahertz 28.8 cards, overheat and cut out the connection. Shawn R. Lin wrote: > > If I put a PCMCIA card in my ThinkPad 760ED, it gets REALLY HOT when I > pull it out. When I put my finger in the slot, I can feel that the > bottom of the slot is VERY HOT. Not hot enough to burn, but it feels > extremely hot. When I eject PCMCIA cards from my 560X, they feel just > slightly lukewarm. > Normal, or not? The computer seems okay. This is also under AC power > (no battery). > > -- > Shawn Lin > http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ > > ________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Jul 28 12:59:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA18402 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:59:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28659; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:55:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28426; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:55:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28413; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:55:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bolero-x.rahul.net (192.160.13.1 -> bolero.rahul.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 12:55:51 -0400 Received: from bolero.rahul.net by bolero-x.rahul.net with SMTP id AA10133 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:55:48 -0700 Received: from q.bolero.rahul.net (bolero.rahul.net [192.160.13.1]) by bolero.rahul.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 7712897006 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:55:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 10117 invoked from network); 28 Jul 2000 16:55:46 -0000 Received: from m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com (HELO NewPad) (198.144.205.90) by bolero.rahul.net with SMTP; 28 Jul 2000 16:55:46 -0000 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Shawn R. Lin" , Subject: RE: PCMCIA slots HOT? Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 09:55:46 -0700 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <398148A7.1D84CD66@mail.orion.org> List-Unsubscribe: The 760E/ED are hot-running machines, so the cards in them get hotter. It's quite normal, and I've never seen it hurt a card in my 760E. CardBus cards should run cooler, but I haven't had any luck running any CardBus network or SCSI cards (3Com, Xircom, LinkSys, Adaptec) in the 760E under Win98. The same cards work fine on the 600/600E under Win98 or Win2000. I'm guessing it's some driver issue, but I haven't bothered troubleshooting it since 16-bit PCMCIA cards work fine in that machine and they're good enough for what I'm using it for. > If I put a PCMCIA card in my ThinkPad 760ED, it gets REALLY HOT when I > pull it out. When I put my finger in the slot, I can feel that the > bottom of the slot is VERY HOT. Not hot enough to burn, but it feels > extremely hot. When I eject PCMCIA cards from my 560X, they feel just > slightly lukewarm. > Normal, or not? The computer seems okay. This is also under AC power > (no battery). From cph Fri Jul 28 14:23:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA19084 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:23:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05465; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:20:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05204; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05183; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:20:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop5.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.2 -> mail.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 14:20:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 80793 invoked by alias); 28 Jul 2000 18:20:18 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 80729 invoked by uid 0); 28 Jul 2000 18:20:17 -0000 Received: from dialupjj207.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.35.207) by mail.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 28 Jul 2000 18:20:17 -0000 Message-ID: <002601bff8c0$a9796de0$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "Shawn R. Lin" , References: <398148A7.1D84CD66@mail.orion.org> Subject: Re: PCMCIA slots HOT? Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 13:21:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: IBM has articles on their site about the 760 series (I have a 760L) about the PCMCIA cards getting hot. They recommend NIC's and other cards that get hot should go in the top slot. I'll guess this is to keep the boards under the slots cooler. I know some cards are 5V and some run at 3V, but each card should behave the same in all machines (I would think). Unless the 760xx have a PC card controller that does not allow them to run at low power when not in use. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn R. Lin To: Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 3:47 AM Subject: PCMCIA slots HOT? > If I put a PCMCIA card in my ThinkPad 760ED, it gets REALLY HOT when I > pull it out. When I put my finger in the slot, I can feel that the > bottom of the slot is VERY HOT. Not hot enough to burn, but it feels > extremely hot. When I eject PCMCIA cards from my 560X, they feel just > slightly lukewarm. > Normal, or not? The computer seems okay. This is also under AC power > (no battery). > > -- > Shawn Lin > http://www2.cybercities.com/g/gmwbodycars/ > > > > ________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com > From cph Fri Jul 28 16:33:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA20334 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:33:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15796; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:30:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15433; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:30:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15414; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:30:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:30:53 -0400 Received: from user-38ld3rk.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld3rk.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.143.116]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAB15920; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:30:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007282030.QAB15920@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Benjamin Koh" Cc: "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 16:38:43 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <39814F2D.73F0A602@stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Win 95 -> Win 98lite? UPDATE List-Unsubscribe: Thanks. My problem with WinOSR2 USB has been that USB products don't come with Win95 drivers! I bought a USB microscope to use with my USB card, even though it specifically stated Win98 was required. Well, they didn't lie. The install CD won't even run past a screen chiding me for not having Win98. Bah! On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 02:15:25 -0700, Benjamin Koh wrote: >Allan Ballard wrote: >> >> On Fri, 28 Jul 2000 01:59:30 -0700, Benjamin Koh wrote: >> . Win 95 >> >> OSR 2.1 (what my 560X runs) only gives a partial implementation that >> >> doesn't work. >> >> Partial? In what way is it partial? Did you install the supplement? > >The USB supplement is installed, but full USB compliance is still not >provided - that comes in Windows 98. Handspring tech support indicates >that the Visor needs full USB support, which is not available in Windows >95. Most things work with the partial services provided in Windows 95, >but the Visor needs some support only provided in Windows 98 and later. >As I just posted in the update, the issue is now moot since I now >HotSync via IR (serial port setting). > >Benjamin >-- > Clickdough - Paid surfing on Sun (yes!), Mac (68k/PPC) or PC without IE >4! > >https://secure.clickdough.com/servlets/cr/CRSignup.po?referral_id=benkoh > Pay or be paid via credit card - instant $5 cash for signing up! > https://secure.paypal.com/refer/pal=koh_benjamin%40hotmail.com > Help the UN fight hunger by donating just one mouseclick: > http://www.thehungersite.com/ From cph Fri Jul 28 18:09:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA21024 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:09:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23232; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:08:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:06:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23036; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23003; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (204.181.58.42 -> p204.181.58.42.syspac.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 18:05:53 -0400 Received: (from jones@localhost) by box3.pyrrhusoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id PAA09310; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:04:29 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 15:04:29 -0700 Message-Id: <200007282204.PAA09310@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> From: David Jones To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP240] Recovery CD? List-Unsubscribe: Help! My wife has just received an "open box" TP240 (on my recommendation - I'll never live this one down). Apparently it will not boot - "no operating system". I am guessing I will have to load the recovery CD. I probably have sufficient hardware to attempt this: LAN, miscellaneous 701s running a mixture of W95, Linux, and NT, SCSI CD-ROM drives, etc. First question: What external CD-ROM drives are supported? What exactly is on the recovery CD? Is it simply a disk image? Any suggestions? Cheers, David Jones From cph Fri Jul 28 23:35:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA22616 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:34:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11148; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:31:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10969; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10956; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:31:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:31:13 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 207.94.232.243 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 20:30:41 -0700 Message-ID: <000701bff90d$e1b21a20$f3e85ecf@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Part numbers Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 22:34:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: What was the site that someone emailed me a few weeks ago to look up IBM partnumbers? Bluestar? I can't seem to locate it..Thanks Brad From cph Fri Jul 28 23:45:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA22651 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:44:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11751; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:43:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:42:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11569; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:42:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11555; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:42:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot013.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.113 -> pilot013.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:42:00 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm452-46.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.152]) by pilot013.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA52026 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:41:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000728234140.00e75240@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 23:42:03 -0400 To: "Thinkpad Users" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Part numbers In-Reply-To: <000701bff90d$e1b21a20$f3e85ecf@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Ah, try www.bluestarusa.com --STeve Andre' At 10:34 PM 7/28/00 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >What was the site that someone emailed me a few weeks ago to look up IBM >partnumbers? Bluestar? I can't seem to locate it..Thanks > >Brad From cph Sat Jul 29 00:36:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA22799 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:36:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14588; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:33:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14452; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14439; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web118.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.99 -> web118.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:33:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 10583 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2000 04:33:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000729043311.10582.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web118.yahoomail.com; Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:33:11 PDT Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 21:33:11 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: RE: Wireless networking To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: No, sorry still no pattern matching, whatever that is, required! Obviously you havent't used any good packet sniffers lately. All you have to do is run it for a while in capture mode then check the logs to see who is sending information and where they are sending it and you can set it just to capture information from that one source. --- David Newman wrote: > and the skill required for finding that specific IP > or MAC address is ... > pattern matching! And once that's done finding the > relevant packets of > interest in the bitstream requires ... pattern > matching! > ===== Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Sat Jul 29 00:43:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA22825 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:43:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15109; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:42:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:41:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14965; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:41:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14951; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot019.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.119 -> pilot019.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:41:04 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm452-46.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.152]) by pilot019.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA13108 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:41:00 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000729003639.00e298d0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 00:41:02 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: Wireless networking In-Reply-To: <20000729043311.10582.qmail@web118.yahoomail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Pattern matching most certainly is needed. ...What do you think is in the software you've used, which came up with the logs of what was what? The best sniffers I've used are dumb. They do nothing at all but capture what goes out over the wire and saves it to disk. Thats all they do. Other software comes along and scoops the data up and parses it, looking for whatever. This is more the UNIX approach to things: have a program that does one thing, but have it linked with several others to do the task at hand. There are "sniffers" which do everything, which reminds me of a device which does many things, but perhaps none of them well. I've seen that on Windows platforms a lot. So yes, sniffers do use pattern matching--you just don't see it if using a package deal. --STeve Andre' At 09:33 PM 7/28/00 -0700, Steve C. wrote: >No, sorry still no pattern matching, whatever that is, >required! Obviously you havent't used any good packet >sniffers lately. All you have to do is run it for a >while in capture mode then check the logs to see who >is sending information and where they are sending it >and you can set it just to capture information from >that one source. > >--- David Newman wrote: > > and the skill required for finding that specific IP > > or MAC address is ... > > pattern matching! And once that's done finding the > > relevant packets of > > interest in the bitstream requires ... pattern > > matching! > > > > >===== >Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. >http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Sat Jul 29 16:30:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA25416 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:30:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23374; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:29:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:25:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23118; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:25:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23091; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (204.181.58.160 -> p204.181.58.160.syspac.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:24:46 -0400 Received: (from jones@localhost) by box3.pyrrhusoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA11328; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:23:20 -0700 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 13:23:20 -0700 Message-Id: <200007292023.NAA11328@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> From: David Jones To: wwgraves@uga.edu CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New 240 and recovery disk irritation List-Unsubscribe: Way back when, almost a year ago, you commented about the problems of using the recovery CD. Well I am now in that boat. I just got on "open box" 240 and I need to recover the HDD. In theory, one should be able to modify the boot recovery disk to contain the appropriate drivers for one's CD-ROM drive and be off and running. Did you find out anything more about the whole process? Cheers, David Jones From cph Sat Jul 29 16:48:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA25542 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:48:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24294; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:44:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24053; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24040; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (205.152.115.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:44:20 -0400 Received: from jnipper.m-y.net (line140.m-y.net [216.77.88.70]) by my1.m-y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA13866; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 15:42:05 -0400 Message-Id: <200007291942.PAA13866@my1.m-y.net> From: "Computer Guru" To: "David Jones" , Cc: Subject: Re: New 240 and recovery disk irritation Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:46:59 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: It was my understanding that this cd could be had from IBM. Why don't you give them a call and see if they will give/sell you one. Jim -- Reguards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ------------------------------------- ---------- > From: David Jones > To: wwgraves@uga.edu > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: New 240 and recovery disk irritation > Date: Saturday, July 29, 2000 4:23 PM > > Way back when, almost a year ago, you commented about the problems of > using the recovery CD. Well I am now in that boat. I just got on > "open box" 240 and I need to recover the HDD. In theory, one should > be able to modify the boot recovery disk to contain the appropriate > drivers for one's CD-ROM drive and be off and running. Did you find > out anything more about the whole process? > > Cheers, > David Jones From cph Sat Jul 29 17:04:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA25572 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:04:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25297; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:03:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:00:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25134; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:00:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh02.softhouse.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25121; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:00:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sh02.softhouse.com (198.110.248.4 -> sh02.softhouse.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:00:46 -0400 Received: from madspc (dialup191.softhouse.com [207.74.44.191]) by sh02.softhouse.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA31175 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:26:21 -0400 From: "Mark Andrew" To: Subject: 755CE missing "c" key and rubber springy's Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:02:23 -0400 Message-ID: <001a01bff9a0$55f89020$8c2c4acf@madspc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id RAA25297 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id RAA25573 My 1 year-old decided to dance on the 755CE laptop keyboard, and pick it apart. Now I'm missing the "c" key, the spacebar is partly broken, and worse, I think he ate two of the little rubber springy things. Anyone out there have keys and springs for sale? Thanks, Mark   From cph Sat Jul 29 17:21:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA25612 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:21:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26128; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:17:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26005; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25992; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:17:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:17:48 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.0.219]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000729211745.KUGS6710.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:17:45 +0000 Message-ID: <39834A67.1189@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 17:19:35 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Andrew CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755CE missing "c" key and rubber springy's References: <001a01bff9a0$55f89020$8c2c4acf@madspc> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: You just need to replace the kleyboard. Any keyboard from a 75X/360 series will work. Usually cheaper to buy a junked machine and just salvage the keyboard. Mark Andrew wrote: > > My 1 year-old decided to dance on the 755CE laptop keyboard, and pick it > apart. Now I'm missing the "c" key, the spacebar is partly broken, and > worse, I think he ate two of the little rubber springy things. Anyone out > there have keys and springs for sale? > Thanks, > Mark > > From cph Sat Jul 29 19:02:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA25976 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:02:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29588; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:01:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:59:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29463; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29450; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:59:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:59:50 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.78.242.211]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000729225948.EIJS17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer>; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:59:48 +0000 Message-ID: <002801bff9b0$ccdf2680$d3f24e0c@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Simon Bryquer" From: "Simon Bryquer" To: "David Jones" , Cc: Subject: Re: New 240 and recovery disk irritation Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:33:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: If this 240 is still under warrantee you might just call IBM EZServe and tell them to recover your HDD (of course you'll send it in --I don't know if I'd go into the open box purchase etc - might just complicate matters) because you don't have the CD drive or any other means (LAN)that will allow you to recover the system at this moment. I myself , unlike Emanuel Brown whose uses an Addonics, I bought one from EXP Products : http://www.expnet.com/product.nsf/CD-ROM The 6x one w/PCMCIA it is color coordinated in Black even with a IBM blue open release button. Easy to install P+P in Win X or NT -- but for extra precaution I even created a DOS floppy that makes it bootable in case your Window OS is not accessible. It reads the recovery CD under both situation and the system can be reestablished. Now if your missing the recov CD and you're still under warrantee IBM will send you one for free in a one time deal. Today I would've have bought the 24x CD USB. I have many of their HDD PCMCIA Travelers series and it's a good company with excellent products and very attentive CS. I always bought directly from them on the web, simply because their prices are better than CDW, Micro and the like and offer of course more complete selection. Good luck -----Original Message----- From: David Jones To: wwgraves@uga.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, July 29, 2000 4:29 PM Subject: Re: New 240 and recovery disk irritation >Way back when, almost a year ago, you commented about the problems of >using the recovery CD. Well I am now in that boat. I just got on >"open box" 240 and I need to recover the HDD. In theory, one should >be able to modify the boot recovery disk to contain the appropriate >drivers for one's CD-ROM drive and be off and running. Did you find >out anything more about the whole process? > >Cheers, >David Jones > From cph Sat Jul 29 19:16:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA26011 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:16:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00740; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:14:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00576; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:14:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00563; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:14:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot017.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.117 -> pilot017.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:14:06 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port25.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.26]) by pilot017.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA24388 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:14:01 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000729190459.00e6cb90@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:14:13 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: USB CD drive speed limits In-Reply-To: <002801bff9b0$ccdf2680$d3f24e0c@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: One comment on a 24X USB type CD drive: if I remember correctly, USB ports run in two speeds, one at about 1.5 Mbit/s, and the "high" speed at about 12 Mbit/s. A 24 speed CD should deliver data at 150KB x 24, or 3.6MB/sec which is faster than USB can deal with--I'll bet that USB tops out at about 1.5M bytes/s. What this means is beware of claims of "speedy" things on the USB bus. A 24X CD will do things like seeking faster than a 6X drive will, and I suppose that under the condition of a lot of random seeks to the drive the 24X would appear faster, but for straight pulling data off the drive, I think it would only be about 35% faster than the 6X drive. --STeve Andre' At 06:33 PM 7/29/00 -0400, Simon Bryquer wrote: >If this 240 is still under warrantee you might just call IBM EZServe and >tell them to recover your HDD (of course you'll send it in --I don't know if >I'd go into the open box purchase etc - might just complicate matters) >because you don't have the CD drive or any other means (LAN)that will allow >you to recover the system at this moment. > >I myself , unlike Emanuel Brown whose uses an Addonics, I bought one from >EXP Products : > >http://www.expnet.com/product.nsf/CD-ROM > > >The 6x one w/PCMCIA it is color coordinated in Black even with a IBM blue >open release button. Easy to install P+P in Win X or NT -- but for extra >precaution I even created a DOS floppy that makes it bootable in case your >Window OS is not accessible. It reads the recovery CD under both situation >and the system can be reestablished. > >Now if your missing the recov CD and you're still under warrantee IBM will >send you one for free in a one time deal. > > >Today I would've have bought the 24x CD USB. I have many of their HDD >PCMCIA Travelers series and it's a good company with excellent products and >very attentive CS. I always bought directly from them on the web, simply >because their prices are better than CDW, Micro and the like and offer of >course more complete selection. > > >Good luck > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Jones >To: wwgraves@uga.edu >Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Date: Saturday, July 29, 2000 4:29 PM >Subject: Re: New 240 and recovery disk irritation > > > >Way back when, almost a year ago, you commented about the problems of > >using the recovery CD. Well I am now in that boat. I just got on > >"open box" 240 and I need to recover the HDD. In theory, one should > >be able to modify the boot recovery disk to contain the appropriate > >drivers for one's CD-ROM drive and be off and running. Did you find > >out anything more about the whole process? > > > >Cheers, > >David Jones > > From cph Sat Jul 29 19:50:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA26096 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:50:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02661; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:49:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02441; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web111.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02427; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web111.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.81 -> web111.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 19:49:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 19164 invoked by uid 60001); 29 Jul 2000 23:48:55 -0000 Message-ID: <20000729234855.19163.qmail@web111.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web111.yahoomail.com; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:48:55 PDT Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 16:48:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: New 240 and recovery disk irritation To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Why would you need to recover the hard drive on a new machine? That doesn't make much sense, just install an operating system and go from there. --- David Jones wrote: > Way back when, almost a year ago, you commented > about the problems of > using the recovery CD. Well I am now in that boat. > I just got on > "open box" 240 and I need to recover the HDD. In > theory, one should > be able to modify the boot recovery disk to contain > the appropriate > drivers for one's CD-ROM drive and be off and > running. Did you find > out anything more about the whole process? > > Cheers, > David Jones ===== Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks! Don't waste your money! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/ From cph Sat Jul 29 21:00:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA26309 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:00:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05004; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:00:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:58:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04870; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04857; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:58:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:58:22 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.78.242.211]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000730005820.FABV17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer>; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:58:20 +0000 Message-ID: <006001bff9c1$45becdc0$d3f24e0c@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Simon Bryquer" From: "Simon Bryquer" To: , "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: USB CD drive speed limits Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:55:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Very good point. Thanks for the info, something I simply overlooked and on second thought would not be any greater advantage -- except in terms of dealings with address/comm port conflicts - which for me seems an issue with the tech advances made in this area to be for the most part unresolved. Specially these days with the advent of wireless appliances and etc one is always put in a position to reconfigure your settings -- losing some to gain others. This is an area that is definitely not P+P. SCB -----Original Message----- From: STeve Andre' To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Saturday, July 29, 2000 7:15 PM Subject: USB CD drive speed limits >One comment on a 24X USB type CD drive: if I remember correctly, USB >ports run in two speeds, one at about 1.5 Mbit/s, and the "high" speed at >about 12 Mbit/s. A 24 speed CD should deliver data at 150KB x 24, or >3.6MB/sec which is faster than USB can deal with--I'll bet that USB tops >out at about 1.5M bytes/s. > >What this means is beware of claims of "speedy" things on the USB bus. >A 24X CD will do things like seeking faster than a 6X drive will, and I suppose >that under the condition of a lot of random seeks to the drive the 24X would >appear faster, but for straight pulling data off the drive, I think it >would only >be about 35% faster than the 6X drive. > >--STeve Andre' > >At 06:33 PM 7/29/00 -0400, Simon Bryquer wrote: >>If this 240 is still under warrantee you might just call IBM EZServe and >>tell them to recover your HDD (of course you'll send it in --I don't know if >>I'd go into the open box purchase etc - might just complicate matters) >>because you don't have the CD drive or any other means (LAN)that will allow >>you to recover the system at this moment. >> >>I myself , unlike Emanuel Brown whose uses an Addonics, I bought one from >>EXP Products : >> >>http://www.expnet.com/product.nsf/CD-ROM >> >> >>The 6x one w/PCMCIA it is color coordinated in Black even with a IBM blue >>open release button. Easy to install P+P in Win X or NT -- but for extra >>precaution I even created a DOS floppy that makes it bootable in case your >>Window OS is not accessible. It reads the recovery CD under both situation >>and the system can be reestablished. >> >>Now if your missing the recov CD and you're still under warrantee IBM will >>send you one for free in a one time deal. >> >> >>Today I would've have bought the 24x CD USB. I have many of their HDD >>PCMCIA Travelers series and it's a good company with excellent products and >>very attentive CS. I always bought directly from them on the web, simply >>because their prices are better than CDW, Micro and the like and offer of >>course more complete selection. >> >> >>Good luck >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: David Jones >>To: wwgraves@uga.edu >>Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >>Date: Saturday, July 29, 2000 4:29 PM >>Subject: Re: New 240 and recovery disk irritation >> >> >> >Way back when, almost a year ago, you commented about the problems of >> >using the recovery CD. Well I am now in that boat. I just got on >> >"open box" 240 and I need to recover the HDD. In theory, one should >> >be able to modify the boot recovery disk to contain the appropriate >> >drivers for one's CD-ROM drive and be off and running. Did you find >> >out anything more about the whole process? >> > >> >Cheers, >> >David Jones >> > > > From cph Sat Jul 29 21:03:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA26318 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:03:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05359; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:02:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:01:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05233; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05186; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:01:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (192.189.54.17 -> yarrina.connect.com.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:01:03 -0400 Received: from snapper3 (cor1-ppp73.cai.dialup.connect.net.au [210.10.242.201]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id B866110B6E for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:00:57 +1000 (EST) From: "Will Lau" To: Subject: T20 Battery life? Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:01:40 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000729003639.00e298d0@pilot.msu.edu> List-Unsubscribe: You guy's with the new swish T20s, how long do you get on your batteries in real life? IBM says 4 hrs. I luv my 600x but at 2:30 hrs per battery it's the only down side. IBM said it's a 3hr battery. From cph Sat Jul 29 21:28:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA26414 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:28:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06172; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:19:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06041; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:19:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsguy.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06028; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:19:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from newsguy.com (209.155.56.71 -> smtp.newsguy.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:19:03 -0400 Received: from cx417385-a (cx417385-a.okcnw1.ok.home.com [24.4.101.35]) by newsguy.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA46718; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 18:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007300118.SAA46718@newsguy.com> From: "Bill Fayssoux" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Will Lau" Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 20:19:05 -0500 Reply-To: "Bill Fayssoux" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Standard (2.10.2010) For Windows 2000 (5.0.2195) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: T20 Battery life? List-Unsubscribe: Depends on what you are doing, I have seen close to 4.0 hr with all the power saving features enabled. But if you are doing real work or using the DVD the time will be shorter, most of the time if I am using the battery I will see 3-3.5 hr. The battery management system is MUCH improved from my 560E. ymmv bill On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:01:40 +1000, Will Lau wrote: >You guy's with the new swish T20s, how long do you get on your batteries in >real life? > >IBM says 4 hrs. > >I luv my 600x but at 2:30 hrs per battery it's the only down side. IBM said >it's a 3hr battery. > From cph Sat Jul 29 21:38:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA26436 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:38:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06872; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:34:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06685; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beast.toad.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06671; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:34:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from beast.toad.net (205.197.182.102 -> members.toad.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:34:44 -0400 Received: from towerone (core10d22.dynamic-dialup.toad.net [209.150.114.22]) by beast.toad.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA27528 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:34:38 -0400 From: "Lee Wulff" To: Subject: Rolling LCD Display Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:36:22 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: All, I am trying to fix an IBM Thinkpad 701C. The problem; the LCD display rolls! This starts immiditly on bootup, before any part of windows loads. I connected one of my old multisync monitors to the thinkpad, and the monitor display did not roll like the LCD display. Has anyone else had this problem? And if so, how did you solve it? I appriciate any help I can get on this. Lee Wulff lewulff@toad.net Bowie MD USA From cph Sat Jul 29 23:49:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA26673 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:49:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10918; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:48:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:47:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10791; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10778; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (24.163.250.14 -> el10-24-163-250-14.ce.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 29 Jul 2000 23:46:59 -0400 Received: from uic.edu (yorktown [172.16.172.99] ) by yanos.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:46:57 -0600 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 22:46:57 -0500 (CDT) From: George Yanos To: Will Lau cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Battery life? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-X-Sender: gyanos@tigger.cc.uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: The 600x has a second battery that fits in the ultraslim bay. It extendes the lifetime to 5 or 6 hours at the cost of several extra ounces and a missing cd drive. ******************************************************************* George Yanos 312-413-0059(w) 708-848-4221(h) ******************************************************************* From cph Sun Jul 30 00:11:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA26738 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:11:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12014; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:08:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11897; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:08:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11881; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:08:52 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA20454; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:08:51 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA24381; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 00:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000729210154.02813bf0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:08:08 -0700 To: "Will Lau" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: T20 Battery life? In-Reply-To: References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000729003639.00e298d0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:01 AM 7/30/2000 +1000, you wrote: >You guy's with the new swish T20s, how long do you get on your batteries in >real life? > >IBM says 4 hrs. > >I luv my 600x but at 2:30 hrs per battery it's the only down side. IBM said >it's a 3hr battery. On my T20, I realistically get a full 3 1/2 hours of actual work done on a single battery. If I sit and use it as a DVD Movie player--which I often do when on airplanes--2 1/2 hours is more of the actual average (which is pretty darn good, considering it is spinning the DVD drive non-stop for that duration). That actually helps me make a point: I got a 2nd *main* battery, in part for this reason: What goes does a 2nd Auxiliary battery do you if you need the bay for the CD/DVD, as you would when watching a movie (or running something off the DVD drive, as I frequently do with "XMap" software)? Like you, my TP600 would only realistically last 2 1/2 hours on a battery, with "normal" use (spreadsheet, word processing, e-mail, etc). I'm rather happy that 3 1/2 can be relied upon for these same uses on the T20--which means 7 for me, given usage of the 2nd battery. From cph Sun Jul 30 06:45:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA27772 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:45:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27314; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:40:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27084; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27068; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:40:41 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p28.hwts17.loop.net [207.211.63.73]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA89924; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 03:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007301040.DAA89924@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 03:42:27 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS Wars again... List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 15 Jul 2000 10:34:41 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > "A better DOS than dos" wouldn't require you to whip out a boot >diskette every time you wanted to run DOS. No OS is an island--device >drivers, software support, and a host of other things are what make it >useful. A "better Windows than windows" would require all these >things--and OS/2, while technically very competent, never had all the >support it needed to be successful. > > OS/2 is barely hanging on by the skin of its teeth, thanks in no >small part to Microsoft-hating die-hard users like yourself. Otherwise, it >is dead and unsupported. Its slow death began the day IBM pulled support >for Team OS/2. Deal with the facts. > Which is a shame - computers and OSes, with all things seem to be this way. It's not the technical superiority or robustness that makes a product do well, it's the popularity and number of apps for it. I pretty much stopped using OS/2, except for 2 apps, and otherwise wouldn't use it any longer. PenPoint on the 730T/TE was a really cool OS, but support for that died, and nobody made apps for it - too bad, since it's pen support is so much better than Pen for Windows 95. > For what its worth, you can run multiple OS's (like "real" DOS) >with System Commander and never have to pull out a DOS Boot Diskette. That >should make life easier on you, but being an OS/2 holdout, I'm guessing >you're quite used to jumping through hoops. > Or in my case, use seperate HDs for different OSes. Since the nice thing about most ThinkPads is the ability of swapping drivers/peripherals Paul From cph Sun Jul 30 06:52:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA04570 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:52:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27817; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:48:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27554; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA27541; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:48:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:48:18 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p28.hwts17.loop.net [207.211.63.73]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA89833; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 03:35:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007301035.DAA89833@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "chuck@ccncn.org" , "Cottrell, Eric" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 03:37:39 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: IBM Thinkpad 510Cs Mini Color Notebook List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 17 Jul 2000 11:24:04 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >-----Original Message----- >From: Chuck Blaisdell [mailto:cblaisd@tdl.com] >Sent: Friday, July 14, 2000 5:46 PM >To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Re: IBM Thinkpad 510Cs Mini Color Notebook > > >On 14 Jul 2000, at 18:13, Computer-Guru wrote: > >> does anyone know anything about the above laptop???? > >If memory serves (I had the 500 model), it's a 486/50. I believe the 500 is a 486SLC-25, and the 510CS is a 486BL2-50. The BL2 was supposed to be the Blue Lightning, and better than the lowly SLC (386SX that thinks it's a 486), as I believe it has 16K of L1 cache. Don't remember the >RAM. Think both machines were 4MB standard. What speedy for its day. One pcmcia slot. External floppy. I believe it was either the floppy or the AC adapter was the same as the 701. Pretty sure it was the floppy. In fact, I think the 701 was the replacement for the 510CS. I always thought the 510CS was a pretty cool machine. The 500 >is the mono and the 510 the color. Came with Windows 3.1 Batteries >were/are very hard to find. And I think it was for the 500, that batteries were originally Sealed Lead Acid, believe it or not - cost and weight led them to go back to NiMH. > >Hello, > >Did it have a pen option? I was at the MIT fleamarket last Sunday and >someone was selling pens for >either a 510 or a 710, I forgot exactly what model. I did not notice any >batteries. Couldn't be a 510. Only ThinkPad pen models were the 700T, 710T, 730T/TE, 360P/PE, and 750P. > >I noticed that some of the older accessories like battery chargers and >docking stations are >starting to show up at ham radio fleamarkets (also some computer shows). >They seem mostly >for the real old stuff like the 701, 700, etc. Those 730T in a suitcase w/ >printer are >$50 dollars now and it is tempting. For $50, if they come with the HD, go for it. You could always install PenPoint (as I have the install disks), and sell it for more on eBay (which is what I did after I upgraded to a 730TE). > >I am watching for a good deal on a 600 or later 700 series. Mostly I see >people getting >rid of 760EL units. I also seen some 760C. I would like to get something >that has a 233MMX >or better processor with a DVD. I guess it is about time to hit the data >sheets and see which >models to watch out for. It will replace a 365ED. > That would probably be a low end 770 you'd be looking for. Paul From cph Sun Jul 30 06:59:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id GAA04584 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:59:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28229; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:55:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28031; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA28018; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:55:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ritchie.loop.com (207.211.60.70 -> ritchie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 06:55:24 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p28.hwts17.loop.net [207.211.63.73]) by ritchie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA90115; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 03:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200007301053.DAA90115@ritchie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Andy Beals" Cc: "Bmwm61@aol.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 03:54:52 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 730T Games List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 10:44:34 -0700, Andy Beals wrote: >On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:07:41 -0700, "Paul Khoury" wrote: >> On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 10:56:17 EDT, Bmwm61@aol.com wrote: >> >> >How can I configure my 730T to run games that require a color monitor? Some >> >work without a problem, e.g. Chessmaster 4000, but others refuse to load and >> >I don't know what the difference is. >> >> Jim - you need to set this in the BIOS. >> There is an option in Easy Setup to have it act as if it's using a color or >> mono monitor. >> >> To enter setup, upon powering up, touch the stylus on the suspend button, >> and keep the power button depressed until you see the IBM copyright notice. > >There's also the issue of color depth. Some games will play ONLY in 256-color mode. You can set your lcd to this, but I think it's faked in the driver. It does, however, seem as if the external display has an 8-bit depth when you do this. > I noticed it says it can go up to 24 bit. Yeah, right. =) I think the video RAM is either 512KB or 1MB, but I'm pretty sure it's 1MB in my TE. I believe the max the LCD can do is 64 gray shades anyways. Paul From cph Sun Jul 30 08:25:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA04770 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:25:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00526; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:25:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:23:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00381; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cwcom.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00367; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cwcom.net (195.44.0.153 -> email.cwcom.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:23:29 -0400 Received: from cwcom.net ([195.44.13.241]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.387.38); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:23:25 +0100 Message-ID: <39841553.230E2292@cwcom.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:45:23 +0100 From: Terry Filby Reply-To: m02we400@cwcom.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: All info on TP360E appreciated! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: As a new member of a 2nd-hand TP360E and also of this group, perhaps an introduction is in order. I'm a pensioner about a couple of weeks away from my 67th birthday. Before I retired I was an IT Technician in a local High School. I have been 'nuts' about computers since I bought my son a ZX81 many moons ago, I was hooked, but girls and cars etc were much more his interest then, but since then he's married, got two children and a computer! I also have a desktop computer Packard Bell Executive. Months ago I joined a bookclub and bought a book about Linux, specifically Caldera, I could install it, but couldn't install Lilo, so couldn't boot into Linux. Since then I've tried over 10 different distro's but couldn't boot to any of them. I went to the local ALUG and a helpful bod installed Debian for me, not without trouble, but he was experienced so he knew what to do, unlike Newbie me. Anyhow after a few months I tried to update it and only succeeded in rubbishing it. I very much like Linux so I sent about 15 e-mails to firms asking for a cheap laptop with Linux installed - I got two replies - the one I accepted and got a few days ago was a TP360E 150MHz, 48 Mb Ram, 2.1Gb HD and external floppy drive. The distro installed was Mandrake 7.0 which, funnily enough, I already had on my desktop, but not on its own partition, but on my windows partition Lnx4Win - at least I had Linux running, but of course, its much better on its own partition. Anyhow, back to the Thinkpad, I downloaded the 560 manual from IBM's website and at least it gave me some much needed info, including how to access the Easy-setup progs. I looked in Linux FDisk and the whole disk is set to Linux in various partitions, as I asked. There are no cards in the external card depository, and, so far, I haven't tried to use the external floppy drive, which, hopefully works, because I was also sent a floppy boot disk if needed. I would mainly like to get sound working, if possible, it 'beeps', but that's all, is there usually a built-in soundcard or do you need a card? The X display is working, and to have a modem and soundcard and even my Iomega Zip Drive would be nice to also have working, but, as they all work on my desktop it's not really necessary. My Printer is a Citizen Swift 90 9-pin Dot Matrix Printer and I also occasionally use my Olivetti JP192 Ink-Jet Printer. I have been unable to get the ideal setting from the printer list in Mandrake 7.0 for either of these printers - they both print, after a fashion, but perhaps there is a setting there that is better, if anyone has info on this or any other Thinkpad issues that I don't know I would be very grateful. Thanks Very Much Terry Beccles, Suffolk U.K. From cph Sun Jul 30 08:46:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA04829 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:46:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01214; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:43:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01117; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01104; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:43:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (149.174.206.155 -> ds-img-rel-2.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:43:57 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id IAA18340 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:43:53 -0400 (EDT) Sender: wchaga@compuserve.com Received: from fh6616.compuserve.com (chi-tgn-gvt-vty9.as.wcom.net [216.192.154.9]) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id IAA18298 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:43:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.20000730084125.00ff3590@pop.compuserve.com> X-Sender: wchaga@pop.compuserve.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 08:43:38 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "William C. Haga" Subject: Doesn't A20p have a USB port? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: The list of features for the T20 has USB port listed, but not on the A20p. Is it really missing a USB port?? I assumed it did... I have an A20p on order, along with the port replicator. From cph Sun Jul 30 09:28:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id JAA04931 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:28:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02684; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:27:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:26:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02588; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02572; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:26:03 -0400 Received: from 209-122-243-124.s124.tnt1.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.243.124] helo=ppro) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13It6Q-0002hs-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:26:02 -0400 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:25:38 -0400 Message-ID: <028a01bffa29$980d6100$0d00a8c0@dec5200> From: "R Briganti" To: References: <39841553.230E2292@cwcom.net> Subject: User manual Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:25:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: I want to download the user manuals for my ThinkPads but can't find the url. Could someone please post the url to the list? If it matters, I prefer Adobe Acrobat format. Thanks. Bob From cph Sun Jul 30 11:49:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA05246 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:49:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06348; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:48:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:47:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06248; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:47:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06234; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:46:56 -0400 Received: from user-38lciga.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lciga.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.74.10]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA00374; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007301546.LAA00374@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Paul Khoury" , "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200007301040.DAA89924@ritchie.loop.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS Wars again... List-Unsubscribe: For a "dead" OS, OS/2 Warp is kicking. Yesterday, I downloaded and installed Fixpak 14 -- hardly something IBM would prepare and release for an orphan. The only thing "dead" about Warp is that so many application writers had to flee to windose in order to sell more inventory. So, we get a lot of windose apps, for an OS that s*cks - and less for an OS that keeps on keeping on. I am not too demanding, but can't think of anything in the 'dose world that isn't available in the OS/2 world. Multimedia, office suites, graphics, communications, networking, emulation, what more do I need? On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 03:42:27 -0700, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> OS/2 is barely hanging on by the skin of its teeth, thanks in no >>small part to Microsoft-hating die-hard users like yourself. Otherwise, it >>is dead and unsupported. Its slow death began the day IBM pulled support >>for Team OS/2. Deal with the facts. >> >Which is a shame - computers and OSes, with all things seem to be this way. >It's not the technical superiority or robustness that makes a product do well, >it's the popularity and number of apps for it. I pretty much stopped using OS/2, >except for 2 apps, and otherwise wouldn't use it any longer. From cph Sun Jul 30 11:55:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA05267 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:55:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06979; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:53:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06854; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:53:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cwcom.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06837; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cwcom.net (195.44.0.104 -> email.cwcom.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 11:53:40 -0400 Received: from cwcom.net ([195.44.15.247]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.387.38); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:53:35 +0100 Message-ID: <398452BE.F16FA45E@cwcom.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 17:07:27 +0100 From: Terry Filby Reply-To: m02we400@cwcom.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Query blue line? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Further to my earlier e-mail, I was just using the Thinkpad and a blue line appeared about half-an-inch from the left side of the screen and running about half way down the screen. I haven't seen this before and I was unable to get rid of it. What has caused it and is it detrimental and can I get rid of it and if so, how? Thanks Terry Filby From cph Sun Jul 30 12:15:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA05354 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:15:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07904; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:13:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07793; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:13:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07780; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mill.cisco.com (161.44.131.47 -> mill.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:13:02 -0400 Received: from kend-linux.cisco.com (kend-linux.cisco.com [161.44.130.32]) by mill.cisco.com (8.8.5-Cisco.1/8.6.5) with ESMTP id MAA10145; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:12:23 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:12:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ken D'Ambrosio" To: Allan Ballard cc: Paul Khoury , Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: Re: OS Wars again... In-Reply-To: <200007301546.LAA00374@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Bad news, folks -- OS wars are dumb. They've been going on since the early 80's, and there's no reason that we'll figure anything out now that hasn't already been hashed over. So, before I go and buy a PowerBook (where I can have an entirely different set of OS wars), let's just drop the thread, huh? -Ken On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, Allan Ballard wrote: > For a "dead" OS, OS/2 Warp is kicking. > > Yesterday, I downloaded and installed > Fixpak 14 -- hardly something IBM would > prepare and release for an orphan. > > The only thing "dead" about Warp is that > so many application writers had to flee > to windose in order to sell more inventory. > > So, we get a lot of windose apps, for an OS > that s*cks - and less for an OS that keeps on > keeping on. > > I am not too demanding, but can't think of > anything in the 'dose world that isn't available > in the OS/2 world. Multimedia, office suites, > graphics, communications, networking, > emulation, what more do I need? > > > > > On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 03:42:27 -0700, Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > >> OS/2 is barely hanging on by the skin of its teeth, thanks in no > >>small part to Microsoft-hating die-hard users like yourself. Otherwise, it > >>is dead and unsupported. Its slow death began the day IBM pulled support > >>for Team OS/2. Deal with the facts. > >> > >Which is a shame - computers and OSes, with all things seem to be this way. > >It's not the technical superiority or robustness that makes a product do well, > >it's the popularity and number of apps for it. I pretty much stopped using OS/2, > >except for 2 apps, and otherwise wouldn't use it any longer. > > > > From cph Sun Jul 30 12:21:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA05411 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:21:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09012; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:21:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:19:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08843; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08826; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from box3.pyrrhusoft.com (204.181.58.174 -> p204.181.58.174.syspac.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:19:17 -0400 Received: (from jones@localhost) by box3.pyrrhusoft.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id JAA13074; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:17:49 -0700 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:17:49 -0700 Message-Id: <200007301617.JAA13074@box3.pyrrhusoft.com> From: David Jones To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu CC: jwerner@jwdp.com Subject: Re: New 240 and recovery disk irritation List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to everyone who replied regarding my query on how to load the recovery CD for the TP240 . Jan Werner pointed out something interesting, the boot recovery disk is DR-DOS not MS or PC. By the way, I looked at the recovery CD. As has been pointed out in the past, all those *.IMZ files are apparently zip files. In answer to Steve C. who said "why do you need to recover the HD on a new machine... why not just install an operating system and go from there": Steve, it was the pressure of time. I needed a working machine which I could then load with additional software from my wife's 701. As it turned out I did not have enough time, so the 240 will sit around till we get back and I can work on it. Man, I like the geometry and weight of the 240. I would have loved for us to take this baby on the road instead of the 701. Thanks, David Jones From cph Sun Jul 30 12:26:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA05435 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:26:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09572; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:24:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09418; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.sivco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09405; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:24:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.sivco.com (209.91.123.78 -> h-209-91-123-78.gen.cadvision.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:24:33 -0400 Subject: Re: OS Wars again... To: "Allan Ballard" Cc: pkhoury@loop.com, rwhittle@usa.net, tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.1a August 17, 1999 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:25:34 -0600 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on tigger/Sivco(Release 5.0.1a|August 17, 1999) at 07/30/2000 10:25:41 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA05436 >>The only thing "dead" about Warp is that so many application writers had to flee to windose in order to sell more inventory. -->flee Most of us are writing Java/WebSphere\e-commerce applications, going for the M$-API would be too much. Geza Geza Szivos mailto:Geza.Szivos@SIVCO.com System Analyst/eDBA Certified VisualAge for C++ Object Oriented Developer, Certified WebSphere, DB2 and VisualAge Java Associate Developer, VisualWarehouse Specialist, Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, Certified Warp Server Engineer SIVCO Inc. «Calgary, AB» «Buffalo, NY» «Olympia, WA» Visit our web page http://www.sivco.com Head office: 118 Arbour Summit Close NW Calgary, Alberta Canada T3G 3W2 Toll Free Call: (877) 700-2600 Toll Free Fax: (877) 547-4741 In Calgary call (403) 208-2600 Cellular (360) 481-2828 "Allan Ballard" To: "Paul Khoury" , "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" etcom.com> cc: Subject: Re: OS Wars again... 07/30/00 09:54 AM Please respond to "Allan Ballard" For a "dead" OS, OS/2 Warp is kicking. Yesterday, I downloaded and installed Fixpak 14 -- hardly something IBM would prepare and release for an orphan. The only thing "dead" about Warp is that so many application writers had to flee to windose in order to sell more inventory. So, we get a lot of windose apps, for an OS that s*cks - and less for an OS that keeps on keeping on. I am not too demanding, but can't think of anything in the 'dose world that isn't available in the OS/2 world. Multimedia, office suites, graphics, communications, networking, emulation, what more do I need? On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 03:42:27 -0700, Paul Khoury wrote: > >> OS/2 is barely hanging on by the skin of its teeth, thanks in no >>small part to Microsoft-hating die-hard users like yourself. Otherwise, it >>is dead and unsupported. Its slow death began the day IBM pulled support >>for Team OS/2. Deal with the facts. >> >Which is a shame - computers and OSes, with all things seem to be this way. >It's not the technical superiority or robustness that makes a product do well, >it's the popularity and number of apps for it. I pretty much stopped using OS/2, >except for 2 apps, and otherwise wouldn't use it any longer. From cph Sun Jul 30 12:32:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA05462 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:32:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10093; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:30:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09918; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:30:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09905; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:30:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:30:08 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.235]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000730163006.IQCN17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:30:06 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000730122743.0147a780@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:27:43 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Doesn't A20p have a USB port? In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20000730084125.00ff3590@pop.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:43 AM 07/30/2000 -0400, William C. Haga wrote: >The list of features for the T20 has USB port listed, but not on the A20p. >Is it really missing a USB port?? I assumed it did... I have an A20p on >order, along with the port replicator. > ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf From cph Sun Jul 30 12:33:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA05466 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:33:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10255; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:30:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09978; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:30:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09964; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:30:44 -0400 Received: from newman.concentric.net (newman.concentric.net [207.155.198.71]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA02398; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:30:42 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by newman.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA03656; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:30:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000730092058.027d91a0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:29:59 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: OS Wars again... In-Reply-To: References: <200007301546.LAA00374@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 12:12 PM 7/30/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Bad news, folks -- OS wars are dumb. They've been going on since the >early 80's, and there's no reason that we'll figure anything out now that War? Nah...just a few pot shots fired from the ones that lost. You're right--that war was over many years ago. From cph Sun Jul 30 12:55:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id MAA05571 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:55:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11442; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:55:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:53:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11302; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:53:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phnxpop3.phnx.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11280; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phnxpop3.phnx.uswest.net (206.80.192.3 -> phnxpop3.phnx.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:53:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 38048 invoked by alias); 30 Jul 2000 16:53:19 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 38018 invoked by uid 0); 30 Jul 2000 16:53:18 -0000 Received: from jdialup167.phnx.uswest.net (209.180.135.167) by phnxpop3.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 30 Jul 2000 16:53:18 -0000 From: Ted Wiseman To: "Lee Wulff" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Rolling LCD Display Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:53:17 -0700 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA05572 On Sat, 29 Jul 2000 21:36:22 -0400, you wrote: >All, > >I am trying to fix an IBM Thinkpad 701C. The problem; the LCD display rolls! >This starts immiditly on bootup, before any part of windows loads. I >connected one of my old multisync monitors to the thinkpad, and the monitor >display did not roll like the LCD display. > >Has anyone else had this problem? And if so, how did you solve it? > >I appriciate any help I can get on this. > >Lee Wulff >lewulff@toad.net >Bowie MD USA > Yes, I had that problem on my 701, and the result was that EazyServ replaced the ribbon cable running to the LCD. So my guess would be that the cable on your unit has a short or a faulty connection. From cph Sun Jul 30 13:00:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA05602 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:00:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12374; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:57:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12066; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:57:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12053; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:57:52 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 207.94.232.56 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:57:20 -0700 Message-ID: <001501bffa47$bcef88e0$38e85ecf@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Paint Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:00:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I've been asked to put a custom finish on a IBM thinkpad. Anyone know of a super durable finish that wouln'd scuff up in a case etc? Basically there will be art work applie to the top, then a cleat coat. The clearcoat is the durable finish that I need. Thanks Brad From cph Sun Jul 30 13:06:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA05633 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:06:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13091; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:03:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12831; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:03:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12817; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:03:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:03:39 -0400 Received: from user-38lciga.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lciga.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.74.10]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA27684; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007301703.NAA27684@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Brad Burean" , "Thinkpad Users" Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <001501bffa47$bcef88e0$38e85ecf@oemcomputer> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Paint List-Unsubscribe: Touch base with your local speed shop to find out who is putting the clear finish over the paint on top cars these days. Then apply many coats. Then there is plain old poly, found on most kitchen floors. On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:00:58 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >I've been asked to put a custom finish on a IBM thinkpad. Anyone know of a >super durable finish that wouln'd scuff up in a case etc? Basically there >will be art work applie to the top, then a cleat coat. The clearcoat is the >durable finish that I need. From cph Sun Jul 30 13:06:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA05637 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:06:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13358; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:06:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:04:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12987; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12972; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:04:33 -0400 Received: from user-38lciga.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lciga.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.74.10]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA13058; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007301704.NAA13058@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000730092058.027d91a0@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS Wars again... List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:29:59 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 12:12 PM 7/30/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>Bad news, folks -- OS wars are dumb. They've been going on since the >>early 80's, and there's no reason that we'll figure anything out now that > > > War? Nah...just a few pot shots fired from the ones that >lost. You're right--that war was over many years ago. > In your dreams. From cph Sun Jul 30 13:10:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA05654 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:10:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13896; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:08:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13785; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13772; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:08:29 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 207.94.232.56 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:07:56 -0700 Message-ID: <002901bffa49$385def20$38e85ecf@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Allan Ballard" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <200007301703.NAA27684@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: Paint Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:11:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Yeah I had thought of that. But I really need something aersol can based. Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: Allan Ballard To: Brad Burean ; Thinkpad Users Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 12:11 PM Subject: Re: Paint > Touch base with your local speed shop to > find out who is putting the clear finish over the > paint on top cars these days. Then apply many > coats. Then there is plain old poly, found on > most kitchen floors. > > On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 12:00:58 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: > > >I've been asked to put a custom finish on a IBM thinkpad. Anyone know of a > >super durable finish that wouln'd scuff up in a case etc? Basically there > >will be art work applie to the top, then a cleat coat. The clearcoat is the > >durable finish that I need. > From cph Sun Jul 30 13:17:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA05666 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:17:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14528; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:15:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14364; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:15:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14351; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:15:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:15:14 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.235]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000730171513.IZTC17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 17:15:13 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000730131251.01768100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:12:51 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: OS Wars again... In-Reply-To: <200007301704.NAA13058@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20000730092058.027d91a0@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Stop it. Now. This is not an OS advocacy list. Take it to private e-mail or the proper newsgroup. From cph Sun Jul 30 13:51:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA05847 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:51:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16749; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:48:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16445; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16431; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:48:30 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA26432; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:48:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA43870; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:48:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <02bb01bffa4e$adb64560$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , "William C. Haga" References: <4.3.2.20000730084125.00ff3590@pop.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Doesn't A20p have a USB port? Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:50:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Yes, of course, it has a USB port. I am typing this on one and I have just stared at it. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "William C. Haga" To: Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 5:43 AM Subject: Doesn't A20p have a USB port? > The list of features for the T20 has USB port listed, but not on the A20p. > Is it really missing a USB port?? I assumed it did... I have an A20p on > order, along with the port replicator. > > From cph Sun Jul 30 13:53:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA05862 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:53:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17191; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:52:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:51:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17052; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17039; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:51:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:51:07 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA27078; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA43919; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:50:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <02db01bffa4e$fa66afd0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" , "Jane Loyless" References: <4.2.0.58.20000730092058.027d91a0@127.0.0.1> <3.0.1.32.20000730131251.01768100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: OS Wars again... Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 10:52:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I agree, Jane. Stop it now, or I will send out the big, bad Scottish teacher again to rap your knuckles!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Loyless" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 10:12 AM Subject: Re: OS Wars again... > Stop it. Now. This is not an OS advocacy list. Take it to private e-mail or > the proper newsgroup. > > From cph Sun Jul 30 13:56:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA05883 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:56:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17612; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:55:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:53:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17410; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17397; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.110 -> pilot010.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:53:50 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port21.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.22]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA43480 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:53:45 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000730133334.00bfbbc0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:53:52 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: OS Wars again... In-Reply-To: <200007301546.LAA00374@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> References: <200007301040.DAA89924@ritchie.loop.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Alan, I don't want to start a flamefest over this, but it seems to me that you are missing the essential fact of why IBM is still coming out with updates for OS/2. They have to. The government uses OS/2 in many applications, and they always demand support for some long period of time after the product's life cycle is over. As an example I know that Oracle had to provide support for its products on SunOS 4.1.x for 10 years. So it is with OS/2, though I have no idea what the timeframe is, but I suspect 10 years from the official announcement of IBM's stopping support for Team OS/2? At any rate, the US government is the driving force behind the continued sets of updates for OS/2. Once that contract is finished, you will see support for OS/2 completely evaporate, unless some other entity comes forward and pays for it. OS/2 was/is a neat system, but it has absolutely no future. I'm sorry for that, but that's life. --STeve Andre' At 11:54 AM 7/30/00 -0400, Allan Ballard wrote: >For a "dead" OS, OS/2 Warp is kicking. > >Yesterday, I downloaded and installed >Fixpak 14 -- hardly something IBM would >prepare and release for an orphan. > >The only thing "dead" about Warp is that >so many application writers had to flee >to windose in order to sell more inventory. > >So, we get a lot of windose apps, for an OS >that s*cks - and less for an OS that keeps on >keeping on. > >I am not too demanding, but can't think of >anything in the 'dose world that isn't available >in the OS/2 world. Multimedia, office suites, >graphics, communications, networking, >emulation, what more do I need? > >On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 03:42:27 -0700, Paul Khoury wrote: > > > > >> OS/2 is barely hanging on by the skin of its teeth, thanks in no > >>small part to Microsoft-hating die-hard users like > yourself. Otherwise, it > >>is dead and unsupported. Its slow death began the day IBM pulled support > >>for Team OS/2. Deal with the facts. > >> > >Which is a shame - computers and OSes, with all things seem to be this way. > >It's not the technical superiority or robustness that makes a product do > well, > >it's the popularity and number of apps for it. I pretty much stopped > using OS/2, > >except for 2 apps, and otherwise wouldn't use it any longer. From cph Sun Jul 30 14:03:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA05900 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:03:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18252; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:00:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18119; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:00:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18106; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.1.7 -> wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:00:39 -0400 Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.2.12]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/uniwue-MM-1.01) with ESMTP id UAA31343 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:00:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.48); 30 Jul 00 20:00:37 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.48); 30 Jul 00 20:00:20 +0200 Received: from mail.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.118) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.48); 30 Jul 00 20:00:02 +0200 Received: from babylon5 (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2] ) by mail.stelarcom.de (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:59:10 -0100 Message-Id: <200007301959.1039285.6@mail.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" , "Randal Whittle" Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:58:57 +0200 (MST) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000730092058.027d91a0@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: No OS Wars again... List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:29:59 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: Hi! >At 12:12 PM 7/30/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>Bad news, folks -- OS wars are dumb. They've been going on since the >>early 80's, and there's no reason that we'll figure anything out now that > > War? Nah...just a few pot shots fired from the ones that >lost. Wouldn't say that I've lost at all. I run a very stable reliable network with very good apps for my daily work and save a lot of trouble you allways will have. Everything arround I need. Most of these apps (>>95%) run on my OS/2 machine, some run on our Alphas and HP's delivered directly to my desktop via OS/2. And I'm pritty shure I will stay on Warp speed quite a bit beyond Itanium. Then, well, we'll see again. But if M$ doesn't employ some real programmers and write working software till then, well, then they've lost. (Me as customer ;) I'm pritty shure they lost me allready but don't really know it. Notice that this could be dangerous. If I'm asked about and if I've a choice, and in most cases I have, I kick out Windows. (We've aircondition, eh?) To loose, well to me that looks a bit the other way round. It's more or less only a "Think Diffrent" without some fruits on your desktop. And you know: "We love you all!" -- CU/2 (( In the beginning was The Word. Alexander Wagner )) And The Word was Content-type: text/plain Team OS/2 Franken (( -=[ Team OS/2 Germany #294 ]=- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or A.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for replies, even if some other addresses may appear. Thanks! --> Get my PGP-key with Subject: Request for PGP-Keys <-- From cph Sun Jul 30 14:08:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA05921 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:08:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18790; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:06:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18690; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:06:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18677; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:06:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:06:14 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (hetherington.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.16.3]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA14686; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39846E92.27EB2CE7@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:06:10 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Will Lau CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: T20 Battery life? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I get around 3h on my T20 leaving the CPU at full speed and leaving the LCD at full brightness. Compared to my previous 600 with similar usage, I would say the T20 battery life is not quite as good. --Lee Hetherington From cph Sun Jul 30 14:47:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA06027 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:47:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20540; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:45:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20168; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20155; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:45:12 -0400 Received: from costello (user-2ive6p9.dialup.mindspring.com [165.247.27.41]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA04799 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:45:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101bffa56$3b97d180$291bf7a5@costello> From: "Thomas Costello" To: References: Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Sun, 30 Jul 2000 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 14:44:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Sorry I missed your call. Had the phone in the other room, set to the "courtroom" setting, so it only vibrated and didn't ring, and I didn't hear it. Did you finish all the light fixtures yet? Are you ever going to tell me the title of that Shania Twain song again? I love you!! T ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 12:15 PM Subject: thinkpad digest for Sun, 30 Jul 2000 > Submissions for the thinkpad list should be sent to thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > (When replying, please edit your Subject line so that it doesn't say: > "Re: thinkpad digest for...") > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, send mail to thinkpad-REQUEST@cs.utk.edu > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > Today's topics: > > Re: New 240 and recovery disk irritation (David Jones) > Re: New 240 and recovery disk irritation (Computer Guru) > 755CE missing "c" key and rubber springy's (Mark Andrew) > Re: 755CE missing "c" key and rubber springy's (Bruce Markowitz) > Re: New 240 and recovery disk irritation (Simon Bryquer) > USB CD drive speed limits (STeve Andre') > Re: New 240 and recovery disk irritation (Steve C.) > Re: USB CD drive speed limits (Simon Bryquer) > T20 Battery life? (Will Lau) > Re: T20 Battery life? (Bill Fayssoux) > Rolling LCD Display (Lee Wulff) > Re: T20 Battery life? (George Yanos) > Re: T20 Battery life? (Randal Whittle) > Re: OS Wars again... (Paul Khoury) > RE: IBM Thinkpad 510Cs Mini Color Notebook (Paul Khoury) > Re: 730T Games (Paul Khoury) > All info on TP360E appreciated! (Terry Filby) > Doesn't A20p have a USB port? (William C. Haga) > User manual (R Briganti) > Re: OS Wars again... (Allan Ballard) > Query blue line? (Terry Filby) > Re: OS Wars again... (Ken D'Ambrosio) > From cph Sun Jul 30 16:11:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA06164 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:11:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24104; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:08:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23843; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:08:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23830; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:08:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:08:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (arc4a215.bf.sover.net [209.198.114.153]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA16748 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007302008.QAA16748@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) localhost from arc4a215.bf.sover.net [209.198.114.153] 209.198.114.153 Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:08:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 15:57:27 -0400 To: "Thinkpad Users" In-Reply-To: <001501bffa47$bcef88e0$38e85ecf@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: Paint X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 (Unregistered) List-Unsubscribe: Brad Burean" said: >I've been asked to put a custom finish on a IBM thinkpad. Anyone know of a >super durable finish that wouln'd scuff up in a case etc? Basically there >will be art work applie to the top, then a cleat coat. The clearcoat is the >durable finish that I need. I think you need to start with the composition of the TP paint to find out if applying something to it will be problem in the first place. --- Frankly, considering the cost of a TP, I would not want to make the finish into one that made it easier to lose a grip and drop. ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Jul 30 16:11:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA06168 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:11:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24086; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:08:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23876; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23859; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:08:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:08:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (arc4a215.bf.sover.net [209.198.114.153]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA16758 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007302008.QAA16758@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) localhost from arc4a215.bf.sover.net [209.198.114.153] 209.198.114.153 Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:06:58 -0400 To: In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000730133334.00bfbbc0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: OS Wars again... X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 (Unregistered) List-Unsubscribe: In <4.3.2.7.0.20000730133334.00bfbbc0@pilot.msu.edu>, on 07/30/00 at 01:53 PM, "STeve Andre'" said: >Alan, I don't want to start a flamefest over this, but it seems to me that >you are missing the essential fact of why IBM is still coming out with >updates for OS/2. >They have to. >The government uses OS/2 in many applications, and they always demand support >for some long period of time after the product's life cycle is over. As >an example I know that Oracle had to provide support for its products on >SunOS 4.1.x for 10 years. So it is with OS/2, though I have no idea what the >timeframe is, but I suspect 10 years from the official announcement of IBM's >stopping support for Team OS/2? >At any rate, the US government is the driving force behind the continued sets >of updates for OS/2. Once that contract is finished, you will see support >for OS/2 completely evaporate, unless some other entity comes forward and >pays for it. >OS/2 was/is a neat system, but it has absolutely no future. I'm sorry for >that, >but that's life. I was going to stay out of this, but you do not know what you are talking about. We are not getting maintenance mode fixpacks, as you suggest, but new features everytime one is released. In one instance I loaded a version of Photoshop that never ran on OS2 and IBM siad it never would because of the cost of fixing the M$ W32 trick that kept it from running -- and it now runs just fine. So what we are seeing is some pretty strange corporate behavior, if what you claim had any substance. Now it is true that the criminal acts of M$ cut off the supply of applications >from the large vendors, but there is nothing that I'm missing in my work. You and the other Winusers need to comprehend that we are doing things with OS2 that you cannot and never will be able to that are too valuable to give up for a system that offers less. -- That isn't a sign Win users should switch, but rather to shut up until you know what is actually going on. You Winonly guys also miss the point that OS2 users, after being exposed to real multi-tasking and learning what it means to productivity, really don't want the single-threaded stuff see in WinX software. It may be fine for you and most people -- but when you've seen better you don't step backwards without good reason. There isn't one anywhere in sight. ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Jul 30 16:17:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA06192 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:17:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24893; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:16:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:14:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24779; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24766; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:14:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:14:42 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (SPFDA010-0262.splitrock.net [209.156.177.8]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id NAA23689; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:14:39 -0700 Message-ID: <39848C8A.1D0BD934@mail.orion.org> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 15:14:02 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Burean CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Paint References: <001501bffa47$bcef88e0$38e85ecf@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Brad Burean wrote: > > I've been asked to put a custom finish on a IBM thinkpad. Anyone know of a > super durable finish that wouln'd scuff up in a case etc? Basically there > will be art work applie to the top, then a cleat coat. The clearcoat is the > durable finish that I need. If this is a ThinkPad with a rubberized coating, paint will never stick to it (at least not well). You'll probably have to sand it down to the plastic first. No small job. Automotive clearcoat from a paint store is the most durable, but it's typically only available in high gloss. I think a glossy finish would be a bit too slippery for a laptop, might make it easier to drop. However, Wal-Mart has aerosol clear enamel for what it's worth. I've used it on some car parts and it seems to hold up to the weather okay. Enamel will be more durable than lacquer. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Sun Jul 30 16:25:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA06213 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:25:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25529; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:22:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25392; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25373; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:22:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:22:48 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 207.94.232.181 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 13:22:15 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01bffa64$5ba9ee00$b5e85ecf@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Shawn R. Lin" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <001501bffa47$bcef88e0$38e85ecf@oemcomputer> <39848C8A.1D0BD934@mail.orion.org> Subject: Re: Paint Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 15:25:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: No it's plastic. High gloss wouldn't work. Satin or a semi-gloss. Just don't want it to show wear from the case. This TP will set on a display desk most of the time. I'm putting the company logo on the cover. Must be enamel, I think it's much stronger. I think Krylon makes a good paint. Thanks for all the input. Brad ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn R. Lin To: Brad Burean Cc: Thinkpad Users Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 3:14 PM Subject: Re: Paint > Brad Burean wrote: > > > > I've been asked to put a custom finish on a IBM thinkpad. Anyone know of a > > super durable finish that wouln'd scuff up in a case etc? Basically there > > will be art work applie to the top, then a cleat coat. The clearcoat is the > > durable finish that I need. > > If this is a ThinkPad with a rubberized coating, paint will never stick > to it (at least not well). > You'll probably have to sand it down to the plastic first. No small > job. > Automotive clearcoat from a paint store is the most durable, but it's > typically only available in high gloss. I think a glossy finish would > be a bit too slippery for a laptop, might make it easier to drop. > > However, Wal-Mart has aerosol clear enamel for what it's worth. I've > used it on some car parts and it seems to hold up to the weather okay. > Enamel will be more durable than lacquer. > > Shawn > > > > ________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Sun Jul 30 16:42:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA06299 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:42:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26299; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:39:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26098; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:39:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26085; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:39:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot011.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.111 -> pilot011.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:39:02 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port21.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.22]) by pilot011.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA38300 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:38:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000730161732.02902220@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:39:00 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: OS Wars again... In-Reply-To: <200007302008.QAA16758@pike.sover.net> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000730133334.00bfbbc0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Sigh. I've researched this, which is how I came to my conclusions. I've also talked to IBM. You might want to do the same. Look, I'm really sorry that OS/2 is dead--I truly am. The reason why IBM is working on things at the moment is that they are *obligated* to do this. When their contract with the government runs out, you are going to hear the giant rushing sound of a vacuum being created--it will be the cessation of further work from them, unless other entities provide funding. OS/2 is *Dead*. The market has spoken, and no matter how much it might be sad (or horrid, since I personally detest windows and use OpenBSD for real things), but that's the way it is. I do comprehend what OS/2 can do. I certainly appreciate it, despite it's not being my favorite, UNIX. But I also comprehend the fact that the user base is shrinking. Again, that's sad but true. I have an idea, since you say I don't have the slightest idea what I'm talking about: make a copy of this email on paper, and lets go over it again one year from now (or say the end of July, one day from now). Let's review things then and see what the state of affairs is. Anyone else who is interested is welcome to do this too. If I am wrong and there is more activity then compared to now, I shall humbly apologize to all. I stand behind what I have said. OS/2 use is only going to diminish with time and at some point in the future IBM will stop working on it. There is ONE interesting scenario which might change this however, which is if IBM releases the code to OS/2 and makes it an Open Source project. I don't know if that's possible given the historical work that Microsoft did with it, but if IBM could do this, then OS/2 would be a viable platform for as long as there were users doing things with it, which could be some very long period of time. I fully recognize that OS/2 does a lot of things very well, and that ability could propel it's use into the far future if the user base were able to maintain it. Failing that, OS/2 will fade. Sorry to have gotten this so far off track from ThinkPads. Please direct more comments to me directly and we may talk of this more if people want. --STeve Andre' (andres@msu.edu) At 04:06 PM 7/30/00 -0400, you wrote: >In <4.3.2.7.0.20000730133334.00bfbbc0@pilot.msu.edu>, on 07/30/00 > at 01:53 PM, "STeve Andre'" said: > > >Alan, I don't want to start a flamefest over this, but it seems to me that > >you are missing the essential fact of why IBM is still coming out with > >updates for OS/2. > > >They have to. > > >The government uses OS/2 in many applications, and they always demand > support > >for some long period of time after the product's life cycle is over. As > >an example I know that Oracle had to provide support for its products on > >SunOS 4.1.x for 10 years. So it is with OS/2, though I have no idea > what the > >timeframe is, but I suspect 10 years from the official announcement of IBM's > >stopping support for Team OS/2? > > >At any rate, the US government is the driving force behind the continued > sets > >of updates for OS/2. Once that contract is finished, you will see support > >for OS/2 completely evaporate, unless some other entity comes forward and > >pays for it. > > >OS/2 was/is a neat system, but it has absolutely no future. I'm sorry for > >that, > >but that's life. > >I was going to stay out of this, but you do not know what you are talking >about. We are not getting maintenance mode fixpacks, as you suggest, but new >features everytime one is released. In one instance I loaded a version of >Photoshop that never ran on OS2 and IBM siad it never would because of the >cost of fixing the M$ W32 trick that kept it from running -- and it now runs >just fine. So what we are seeing is some pretty strange corporate behavior, >if what you claim had any substance. > >Now it is true that the criminal acts of M$ cut off the supply of applications >from the large vendors, but there is nothing that I'm missing in my work. You >and the other Winusers need to comprehend that we are doing things with OS2 >that you cannot and never will be able to that are too valuable to give up for >a system that offers less. -- That isn't a sign Win users should switch, but >rather to shut up until you know what is actually going on. > >You Winonly guys also miss the point that OS2 users, after being exposed to >real multi-tasking and learning what it means to productivity, really don't >want the single-threaded stuff see in WinX software. It may be fine for you >and most people -- but when you've seen better you don't step backwards >without good reason. There isn't one anywhere in sight. > > >----------------------------------------------------------- >letoured@sover.net >----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Jul 30 16:47:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA06319 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:47:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26928; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:44:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26677; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26664; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot022.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.122 -> pilot022.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:44:41 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port21.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.22]) by pilot022.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA15446 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:44:35 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000730163923.0290c860@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 16:44:07 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Paint In-Reply-To: <39848C8A.1D0BD934@mail.orion.org> References: <001501bffa47$bcef88e0$38e85ecf@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Paints are a really complex subject; I have a friend who can talk my ear off about them. One thing I've learned from him is that unless you know the chemical composition of the paint, and KNOW that your additional paint is compatible, you may well have problems in time, even if it looks good initially. I would suggest calling IBM and seeing what they say. Given the amount of corporate sales they have, I can't imagine that no other company has ever wanted to put some kind of logo on a ThinkPad before. If they aren't helpful and you really wanted to do this I'd get several spare covers, if I were you, and conduct tests on small areas, 'till I found something that worked. Good luck. --STeve Andre' At 03:14 PM 7/30/00 -0500, Shawn R. Lin wrote: >Brad Burean wrote: > > > > I've been asked to put a custom finish on a IBM thinkpad. Anyone know of a > > super durable finish that wouln'd scuff up in a case etc? Basically there > > will be art work applie to the top, then a cleat coat. The clearcoat > is the > > durable finish that I need. > >If this is a ThinkPad with a rubberized coating, paint will never stick >to it (at least not well). >You'll probably have to sand it down to the plastic first. No small >job. >Automotive clearcoat from a paint store is the most durable, but it's >typically only available in high gloss. I think a glossy finish would >be a bit too slippery for a laptop, might make it easier to drop. > >However, Wal-Mart has aerosol clear enamel for what it's worth. I've >used it on some car parts and it seems to hold up to the weather okay. >Enamel will be more durable than lacquer. > >Shawn From cph Sun Jul 30 19:00:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA06724 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:00:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02989; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:56:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02876; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02863; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:56:48 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-131.gate.net [199.227.20.194]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA35208; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:56:41 -0400 Message-ID: <3984B2C8.8EB05784@gate.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:57:12 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Burean CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Paint References: <001501bffa47$bcef88e0$38e85ecf@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Brad.. try an auto paint shop.. i have had the same ideas.. midnight blue rather than black.. called BIG Blue, and Dusky Rose, and more.. the guy at the shop i spoke to said it would not be a big problem achieving the satin finish.. but then i did not have a thinkpad in hand to show him.. apparently, the paint used on these new rubber bumpers on cars is the material he thought would do the job.. Brad Burean wrote: > I've been asked to put a custom finish on a IBM thinkpad. Anyone know of a > super durable finish that wouln'd scuff up in a case etc? Basically there > will be art work applie to the top, then a cleat coat. The clearcoat is the > durable finish that I need. > > Thanks > Brad -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Jul 30 19:40:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA06826 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:40:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05709; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:37:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05025; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:37:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05012; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:37:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:37:26 -0400 Received: from user-38lcims.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcims.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.74.220]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA31794; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:37:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007302337.TAA31794@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Alexander Wagner" , "Alexander Wagner" , "Randal Whittle" , "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200007301959.1039285.6@mail.stelarcom.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: No OS Wars again... List-Unsubscribe: I don't know much about networking. But I do know that we use NT at work. Once a week they have to take it down cold for "maintenance" for an hour. Why is this? I haven't seen this on OS/2 networks. On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:58:57 +0200 (MST), Alexander Wagner wrote: >On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 09:29:59 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > >Hi! > >>At 12:12 PM 7/30/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>>Bad news, folks -- OS wars are dumb. They've been going on since the >>>early 80's, and there's no reason that we'll figure anything out now >that >> >> War? Nah...just a few pot shots fired from the ones that >>lost. > >Wouldn't say that I've lost at all. I run a very stable reliable >network with very good apps for my daily work and save a lot of trouble >you allways will have. Everything arround I need. Most of these apps >(>>95%) run on my OS/2 machine, some run on our Alphas and HP's >delivered directly to my desktop via OS/2. And I'm pritty shure I will >stay on Warp speed quite a bit beyond Itanium. Then, well, we'll see >again. But if M$ doesn't employ some real programmers and write working >software till then, well, then they've lost. (Me as customer ;) I'm >pritty shure they lost me allready but don't really know it. Notice >that this could be dangerous. If I'm asked about and if I've a choice, >and in most cases I have, I kick out Windows. (We've aircondition, eh?) > >To loose, well to me that looks a bit the other way round. It's more or >less only a "Think Diffrent" without some fruits on your desktop. And >you know: "We love you all!" > > > >-- > >CU/2 (( In the beginning was The Word. >Alexander Wagner )) And The Word was Content-type: text/plain >Team OS/2 Franken (( -=[ Team OS/2 Germany #294 ]=- >----------------------------------------------------------------- > Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or A.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for > replies, even if some other addresses may appear. Thanks! > --> Get my PGP-key with Subject: Request for PGP-Keys <-- > > From cph Sun Jul 30 19:47:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id TAA06851 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:47:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08549; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:45:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:44:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07508; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from puerco.nm.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07408; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007302343.TAA07408@cs.utk.edu> Received: from puerco.nm.org (129.121.1.22 -> puerco.nm.org) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:43:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 48156 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2000 23:43:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (198.59.120.83) by puerco.nm.org with SMTP; 30 Jul 2000 23:43:53 -0000 From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: "Thinkpad List" Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 17:39:27 -0600 (MDT) Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP600X and OS/2 Warp 4 List-Unsubscribe: Any suggestions how to setup or configure drivers for Lucent internal modem on TP600X and OS/2 Warp? What sources are there for suggestions to install and to tweak OS/2 Warp on TP? Thanks for any assistance. -- Warmest Regards. Mike J. Michael Stolp, Managing Partner Registered Investment Advisor Xelan Arizona-New Mexico P.O. Box 91567, 8809 Washington NE Ste 150, Albuquerque, NM 87199 8360 E. Via De Ventura, Suite L-200, Scottsdale, AZ 85258 Email mstolp@xelan.com * Homepage http://www.taxsavings.com Abq 505/856-1100 * Phx 480/998-5100 * Fax 505/856-1197 From cph Sun Jul 30 20:26:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA06984 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:26:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19029; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:22:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18675; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:22:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18657; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:22:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (194.164.53.205) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:22:54 -0400 Received: by mailtest.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.04/2.0) id BAA050.39; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 01:18:52 +0100 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 01:18:51 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: OS Wars again... Message-ID: <20000731011851.J597@eyup.org> References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000730133334.00bfbbc0@pilot.msu.edu> <200007302008.QAA16758@pike.sover.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000730161732.02902220@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000730161732.02902220@pilot.msu.edu>; from STeve Andre' on Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 04:39:00PM -0400 X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 04:39:00PM -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > Sigh. > > I've researched this, which is how I came to my conclusions. > > I've also talked to IBM. You might want to do the same. IBM is not one person. It is a huge company. It has a huge turnover - greater than most of the countries in the world. There are very few people within IBM who understand, let alone speak for IBM. > Look, I'm really sorry that OS/2 is dead--I truly am. In the last two days I have been installed FixPak 14 for OS/2 Warp 4, tried out the latest test version of the Mozilla (the next version of Netscape) for OS/2, tested a new release of Odin - a Win32 converter for OS/2 and checked out another release of some tools being released for producing a Posix subsytem for OS/2 (Posix/2). With these tools you can take source code written for *BSD and it will compile as a native OS/2 app. This means that before too long OS/2 will provide a platform for not only running OS/2 apps, but also Win32 and Unix apps, without any requirement for anyone to port those apps to OS/2. Just to remind you, Warp 4 came out almost four years ago, and it included a Voice Navigation subsystem. Now Bill Gates is trying to sell the 'innovative' idea of voice control as a feature of a future version of Windows. Maybe someone who is familiar with Windows can tell me how many different versions of Windows they will have to buy before IBM stops producing *free* Fixpaks for Warp4 ? > The reason why IBM is > working on things at the moment is that they are *obligated* to do this. IBM has some large commercial organisations using OS/2. You may have heard of HSBC - the worlds largest bank. They want support for OS/2 for at least another six years. > When > their contract with the government runs out, you are going to hear the giant > rushing sound of a vacuum being created--it will be the cessation of further > work from them, unless other entities provide funding. > > OS/2 is *Dead*. There is a new version of OS/2 under the brand name eComStation. This is an OEM version being vigorously marketed by a company called Serenity Systems for use in specific environments. > The market has spoken, The 'monopoly' has decreed... > and no matter how much it might > be sad (or horrid, since I personally detest windows and use OpenBSD for > real things), but that's the way it is. > > I do comprehend what OS/2 can do. I certainly appreciate it, despite it's not > being my favorite, UNIX. But I also comprehend the fact that the user base > is shrinking. Again, that's sad but true. > > I have an idea, since you say I don't have the slightest idea what I'm talking > about: make a copy of this email on paper, and lets go over it again one > year from now (or say the end of July, one day from now). Let's review things > then and see what the state of affairs is. Anyone else who is interested is > welcome to do this too. If I am wrong and there is more activity then compared > to now, I shall humbly apologize to all. > > I stand behind what I have said. OS/2 use is only going to diminish with > time and > at some point in the future IBM will stop working on it. > > There is ONE interesting scenario which might change this however, which is > if IBM > releases the code to OS/2 and makes it an Open Source project. I don't > know if > that's possible given the historical work that Microsoft did with it, but > if IBM could do > this, then OS/2 would be a viable platform for as long as there were users > doing > things with it, which could be some very long period of time. I fully > recognize that > OS/2 does a lot of things very well, and that ability could propel it's use > into the far > future if the user base were able to maintain it. Failing that, OS/2 will fade. In all this talk about OS/2, there is little mention of Microsoft's trial which has lasted two years and which has shown them to be a monopoly company. Sooner or later, this monopoly situation will end. Maybe people are fed up of getting email viruses which destroy their machines. Some day these people may wake up and discover that using a machine with Windows on it is just asking for trouble and not worth the hassle it causes. The world's media have yet to fathom that a machine can run with alternative OS's, since whenever there is a 'Melissa' or 'I love You' bug in the news, the fact that it only ever effects Windows users is somehow overlooked. > --STeve Andre' (andres@msu.edu) > > At 04:06 PM 7/30/00 -0400, you wrote: > >In <4.3.2.7.0.20000730133334.00bfbbc0@pilot.msu.edu>, on 07/30/00 > > at 01:53 PM, "STeve Andre'" said: -- John From cph Sun Jul 30 21:12:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA07141 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:12:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27896; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:10:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:09:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27775; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-1.ziplink.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27750; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay-1.ziplink.net (206.15.170.62 -> relay-1.ziplink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:09:13 -0400 Received: from dallas (quincy-ip-13-89.dynamic.ziplink.net [209.206.0.89]) by relay-1.ziplink.net (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e6V197T09512 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:09:07 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mike Capone" To: Subject: RE: OS Wars again... PLEASE END THIS S*IT! Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:09:36 -0400 Message-ID: <000501bffa8b$feae57e0$1b00a8c0@dallas> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2377.0 In-Reply-To: <20000731011851.J597@eyup.org> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2120.0 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Who cares? this crap is off topic! Take it off the reflector. This has nothing to do with installing OS/2 on a thinkpad, so what is it doing on here? It's worsening the signal/noise ratio. Theres enough posts on here to look at without having to deal with braindead "os jock" retards that get stuck in the endless loop battle of battling over which OS is better? Who really gives a flying f*ck? People are going to use whatever OS they want, irregardless of anyones opinion... Wether its windows or OS/2 or BSD or DOS, etc, etc, ad nauseum. You people must realize that these "battles" are fruitless and result in ABSOLUTELY NOTHING being accomplished. The bottom line is this "war" has ALMOST NOTHING to do with IBM thinkpads. If you want to waste time arguing about operating systems, then take it to private email, or an advocacy group on usenet, or another place built for the purpose. -Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: John Poltorak [mailto:jp@eyup.org] > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 8:19 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: OS Wars again... > > > On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 04:39:00PM -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > > Sigh. > > > > I've researched this, which is how I came to my conclusions. > > > > I've also talked to IBM. You might want to do the same. > > IBM is not one person. > > It is a huge company. It has a huge turnover - greater than most of > the countries in the world. There are very few people within IBM who > understand, let alone speak for IBM. > > > Look, I'm really sorry that OS/2 is dead--I truly am. > > In the last two days I have been installed FixPak 14 for OS/2 Warp 4, > tried out the latest test version of the Mozilla (the next version of > Netscape) for OS/2, tested a new release of Odin - a Win32 converter > for OS/2 and checked out another release of some tools being released > for producing a Posix subsytem for OS/2 (Posix/2). With these tools > you can take source code written for *BSD and it will compile as a > native OS/2 app. This means that before too long OS/2 will provide > a platform for not only running OS/2 apps, but also Win32 and Unix > apps, without any requirement for anyone to port those apps to OS/2. > > Just to remind you, Warp 4 came out almost four years ago, and it > included a Voice Navigation subsystem. Now Bill Gates is trying to > sell the 'innovative' idea of voice control as a feature of a future > version of Windows. > > Maybe someone who is familiar with Windows can tell me how many different > versions of Windows they will have to buy before IBM stops > producing *free* > Fixpaks for Warp4 ? > > > The reason why IBM is > > working on things at the moment is that they are *obligated* to do this. > > IBM has some large commercial organisations using OS/2. You may have > heard of HSBC - the worlds largest bank. They want support for OS/2 for > at least another six years. > > > When > > their contract with the government runs out, you are going to > hear the giant > > rushing sound of a vacuum being created--it will be the > cessation of further > > work from them, unless other entities provide funding. > > > > OS/2 is *Dead*. > > There is a new version of OS/2 under the brand name eComStation. > This is an OEM version being vigorously marketed by a company called > Serenity Systems for use in specific environments. > > > The market has spoken, > > The 'monopoly' has decreed... > > > and no matter how much it might > > be sad (or horrid, since I personally detest windows and use OpenBSD for > > real things), but that's the way it is. > > > > I do comprehend what OS/2 can do. I certainly appreciate it, > despite it's not > > being my favorite, UNIX. But I also comprehend the fact that > the user base > > is shrinking. Again, that's sad but true. > > > > I have an idea, since you say I don't have the slightest idea > what I'm talking > > about: make a copy of this email on paper, and lets go over it again one > > year from now (or say the end of July, one day from now). > Let's review things > > then and see what the state of affairs is. Anyone else who is > interested is > > welcome to do this too. If I am wrong and there is more > activity then compared > > to now, I shall humbly apologize to all. > > > > I stand behind what I have said. OS/2 use is only going to diminish with > > time and > > at some point in the future IBM will stop working on it. > > > > There is ONE interesting scenario which might change this > however, which is > > if IBM > > releases the code to OS/2 and makes it an Open Source project. I don't > > know if > > that's possible given the historical work that Microsoft did > with it, but > > if IBM could do > > this, then OS/2 would be a viable platform for as long as there > were users > > doing > > things with it, which could be some very long period of time. I fully > > recognize that > > OS/2 does a lot of things very well, and that ability could > propel it's use > > into the far > > future if the user base were able to maintain it. Failing that, > OS/2 will fade. > > In all this talk about OS/2, there is little mention of Microsoft's > trial which has lasted two years and which has shown them to be a monopoly > company. Sooner or later, this monopoly situation will end. > > Maybe people are fed up of getting email viruses which destroy their > machines. Some day these people may wake up and discover that using > a machine with Windows on it is just asking for trouble and not worth > the hassle it causes. The world's media have yet to fathom that a > machine can run with alternative OS's, since whenever there is a > 'Melissa' or 'I love You' bug in the news, the fact that it only ever > effects Windows users is somehow overlooked. > > > --STeve Andre' (andres@msu.edu) > > > > At 04:06 PM 7/30/00 -0400, you wrote: > > >In <4.3.2.7.0.20000730133334.00bfbbc0@pilot.msu.edu>, on 07/30/00 > > > at 01:53 PM, "STeve Andre'" said: > > -- > John > > > > From cph Sun Jul 30 21:27:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA07186 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:27:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28842; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:24:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28710; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:24:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28678; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:24:14 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-131.gate.net [199.227.20.194]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA70582; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:23:57 -0400 Message-ID: <3984D542.F9656855@gate.net> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:24:18 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Capone CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: OS Wars and a small alarm (which is ON TOPIC!)... :-) References: <000501bffa8b$feae57e0$1b00a8c0@dallas> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Speaking of OS Wars (???).. a few observations.. :-) i like windoze because its pretty standard, i would like to have a version of OS/2 but it only exists at banks and other large commercial sites these days.. Linux is nice but still a long way from the convienence of Windoze.. NOW, a small alarm for the NT users out there who might put an NTFS HDD in as a second HDD with a w2k OS running the show.. DON'T..!! apparently, W2k will redo the NTFS on the NT HDD to the w2k version of NTFS and Viola!! some apps on the NT HDD won't work..! OK, if you guys want to have a battle, i'll make a seperate topic on my thinkpads.com open forum.. you can swear and fulminate as much as anyonw wants.. i'll not interfere.. :-)) Mike Capone wrote: > Who cares? this crap is off topic! Take it off the > reflector. This has nothing to do with installing OS/2 on > a thinkpad, so what is it doing on here? It's worsening > the signal/noise ratio. Theres enough posts on here to look > at without having to deal with braindead "os jock" retards > that get stuck in the endless loop battle of battling over which > OS is better? Who really gives a flying f*ck? People are going > to use whatever OS they want, irregardless of anyones opinion... > Wether its windows or OS/2 or BSD or DOS, etc, etc, ad nauseum. You > people must realize that these "battles" are fruitless and > result in ABSOLUTELY NOTHING being accomplished. > > The bottom line is this "war" has ALMOST NOTHING to do with > IBM thinkpads. > > If you want to waste time arguing about operating systems, then take > it to private email, or an advocacy group on usenet, or another place > built for the purpose. > > -Mike > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Poltorak [mailto:jp@eyup.org] > > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 8:19 PM > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: Re: OS Wars again... > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 04:39:00PM -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > > > Sigh. > > > > > > I've researched this, which is how I came to my conclusions. > > > > > > I've also talked to IBM. You might want to do the same. > > > > IBM is not one person. > > > > It is a huge company. It has a huge turnover - greater than most of > > the countries in the world. There are very few people within IBM who > > understand, let alone speak for IBM. > > > > > Look, I'm really sorry that OS/2 is dead--I truly am. > > > > In the last two days I have been installed FixPak 14 for OS/2 Warp 4, > > tried out the latest test version of the Mozilla (the next version of > > Netscape) for OS/2, tested a new release of Odin - a Win32 converter > > for OS/2 and checked out another release of some tools being released > > for producing a Posix subsytem for OS/2 (Posix/2). With these tools > > you can take source code written for *BSD and it will compile as a > > native OS/2 app. This means that before too long OS/2 will provide > > a platform for not only running OS/2 apps, but also Win32 and Unix > > apps, without any requirement for anyone to port those apps to OS/2. > > > > Just to remind you, Warp 4 came out almost four years ago, and it > > included a Voice Navigation subsystem. Now Bill Gates is trying to > > sell the 'innovative' idea of voice control as a feature of a future > > version of Windows. > > > > Maybe someone who is familiar with Windows can tell me how many different > > versions of Windows they will have to buy before IBM stops > > producing *free* > > Fixpaks for Warp4 ? > > > > > The reason why IBM is > > > working on things at the moment is that they are *obligated* to do this. > > > > IBM has some large commercial organisations using OS/2. You may have > > heard of HSBC - the worlds largest bank. They want support for OS/2 for > > at least another six years. > > > > > When > > > their contract with the government runs out, you are going to > > hear the giant > > > rushing sound of a vacuum being created--it will be the > > cessation of further > > > work from them, unless other entities provide funding. > > > > > > OS/2 is *Dead*. > > > > There is a new version of OS/2 under the brand name eComStation. > > This is an OEM version being vigorously marketed by a company called > > Serenity Systems for use in specific environments. > > > > > The market has spoken, > > > > The 'monopoly' has decreed... > > > > > and no matter how much it might > > > be sad (or horrid, since I personally detest windows and use OpenBSD for > > > real things), but that's the way it is. > > > > > > I do comprehend what OS/2 can do. I certainly appreciate it, > > despite it's not > > > being my favorite, UNIX. But I also comprehend the fact that > > the user base > > > is shrinking. Again, that's sad but true. > > > > > > I have an idea, since you say I don't have the slightest idea > > what I'm talking > > > about: make a copy of this email on paper, and lets go over it again one > > > year from now (or say the end of July, one day from now). > > Let's review things > > > then and see what the state of affairs is. Anyone else who is > > interested is > > > welcome to do this too. If I am wrong and there is more > > activity then compared > > > to now, I shall humbly apologize to all. > > > > > > I stand behind what I have said. OS/2 use is only going to diminish with > > > time and > > > at some point in the future IBM will stop working on it. > > > > > > There is ONE interesting scenario which might change this > > however, which is > > > if IBM > > > releases the code to OS/2 and makes it an Open Source project. I don't > > > know if > > > that's possible given the historical work that Microsoft did > > with it, but > > > if IBM could do > > > this, then OS/2 would be a viable platform for as long as there > > were users > > > doing > > > things with it, which could be some very long period of time. I fully > > > recognize that > > > OS/2 does a lot of things very well, and that ability could > > propel it's use > > > into the far > > > future if the user base were able to maintain it. Failing that, > > OS/2 will fade. > > > > In all this talk about OS/2, there is little mention of Microsoft's > > trial which has lasted two years and which has shown them to be a monopoly > > company. Sooner or later, this monopoly situation will end. > > > > Maybe people are fed up of getting email viruses which destroy their > > machines. Some day these people may wake up and discover that using > > a machine with Windows on it is just asking for trouble and not worth > > the hassle it causes. The world's media have yet to fathom that a > > machine can run with alternative OS's, since whenever there is a > > 'Melissa' or 'I love You' bug in the news, the fact that it only ever > > effects Windows users is somehow overlooked. > > > > > --STeve Andre' (andres@msu.edu) > > > > > > At 04:06 PM 7/30/00 -0400, you wrote: > > > >In <4.3.2.7.0.20000730133334.00bfbbc0@pilot.msu.edu>, on 07/30/00 > > > > at 01:53 PM, "STeve Andre'" said: > > > > -- > > John > > > > > > > > -- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net From cph Sun Jul 30 21:30:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA07195 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:29:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29239; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:28:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:27:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29141; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29128; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 21:27:17 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (206-97-58-248.ip.theriver.com [206.97.58.248]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC3A825CBD; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:26:55 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <3984D6BF.36BF5A53@theriver.com> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 18:30:39 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard Cc: Alexander Wagner , Randal Whittle , ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Re: No OS Wars again... References: <200007302337.TAA31794@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Allan Ballard wrote: > > I don't know much about networking. > But I do know that we use NT at work. We use a combination of NT and various "flavors" of Unix. > > Once a week they have to take it down cold > for "maintenance" for an hour. Don't know. Something about keeping the systems 'clean'. > > Why is this? I haven't seen this on OS/2 networks. Never seen it on Unix one's either. The server I have to work on daily has not been rebooted in the last four months and that was because we had to do work on it that required bringing it down. James Mckenzie From cph Sun Jul 30 22:40:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA07505 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:40:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02864; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:38:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:36:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02734; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02720; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot020.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.120 -> pilot020.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:36:53 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port05.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.6]) by pilot020.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA54352 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:36:49 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000730223429.00e78780@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:36:53 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: No OS Wars again... In-Reply-To: <3984D6BF.36BF5A53@theriver.com> References: <200007302337.TAA31794@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Not being a fan of NT, even I can't think of a reason for it to have to be stroked for an hour each week. NT reeks, but crashes at entirely random intervals, usually when needed most. ;-) I would bet that the hour of downtime is to do something like make sure a really critical database is properly in sync, which can only be done with a quiescent system, perhaps? --STeve Andre' At 06:30 PM 7/30/00 -0700, James Mckenzie wrote: >Allan Ballard wrote: > > > > I don't know much about networking. > > But I do know that we use NT at work. > >We use a combination of NT and various "flavors" of Unix. > > > > > Once a week they have to take it down cold > > for "maintenance" for an hour. > >Don't know. Something about keeping the systems 'clean'. > > > > Why is this? I haven't seen this on OS/2 networks. > >Never seen it on Unix one's either. The server I have to work on daily >has not been rebooted in the last four months and that was because we >had to do work on it that required bringing it down. > >James Mckenzie From cph Sun Jul 30 22:50:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA07557 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:50:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04000; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:47:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03901; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:47:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03887; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:47:34 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA29601; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:47:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA55011; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:47:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <031801bffa99$fe3e9dc0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "John Poltorak" , References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000730133334.00bfbbc0@pilot.msu.edu> <200007302008.QAA16758@pike.sover.net> <4.3.2.7.0.20000730161732.02902220@pilot.msu.edu> <20000731011851.J597@eyup.org> Subject: Re: OS Wars again... Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:49:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Yawn. John. Nobody cares. Get a life! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Poltorak" To: Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 5:18 PM Subject: Re: OS Wars again... > On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 04:39:00PM -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > > Sigh. > > > > I've researched this, which is how I came to my conclusions. > > > > I've also talked to IBM. You might want to do the same. > > IBM is not one person. > > It is a huge company. It has a huge turnover - greater than most of > the countries in the world. There are very few people within IBM who > understand, let alone speak for IBM. > > > Look, I'm really sorry that OS/2 is dead--I truly am. > > In the last two days I have been installed FixPak 14 for OS/2 Warp 4, > tried out the latest test version of the Mozilla (the next version of > Netscape) for OS/2, tested a new release of Odin - a Win32 converter > for OS/2 and checked out another release of some tools being released > for producing a Posix subsytem for OS/2 (Posix/2). With these tools > you can take source code written for *BSD and it will compile as a > native OS/2 app. This means that before too long OS/2 will provide > a platform for not only running OS/2 apps, but also Win32 and Unix > apps, without any requirement for anyone to port those apps to OS/2. > > Just to remind you, Warp 4 came out almost four years ago, and it > included a Voice Navigation subsystem. Now Bill Gates is trying to > sell the 'innovative' idea of voice control as a feature of a future > version of Windows. > > Maybe someone who is familiar with Windows can tell me how many different > versions of Windows they will have to buy before IBM stops producing *free* > Fixpaks for Warp4 ? > > > The reason why IBM is > > working on things at the moment is that they are *obligated* to do this. > > IBM has some large commercial organisations using OS/2. You may have > heard of HSBC - the worlds largest bank. They want support for OS/2 for > at least another six years. > > > When > > their contract with the government runs out, you are going to hear the giant > > rushing sound of a vacuum being created--it will be the cessation of further > > work from them, unless other entities provide funding. > > > > OS/2 is *Dead*. > > There is a new version of OS/2 under the brand name eComStation. > This is an OEM version being vigorously marketed by a company called > Serenity Systems for use in specific environments. > > > The market has spoken, > > The 'monopoly' has decreed... > > > and no matter how much it might > > be sad (or horrid, since I personally detest windows and use OpenBSD for > > real things), but that's the way it is. > > > > I do comprehend what OS/2 can do. I certainly appreciate it, despite it's not > > being my favorite, UNIX. But I also comprehend the fact that the user base > > is shrinking. Again, that's sad but true. > > > > I have an idea, since you say I don't have the slightest idea what I'm talking > > about: make a copy of this email on paper, and lets go over it again one > > year from now (or say the end of July, one day from now). Let's review things > > then and see what the state of affairs is. Anyone else who is interested is > > welcome to do this too. If I am wrong and there is more activity then compared > > to now, I shall humbly apologize to all. > > > > I stand behind what I have said. OS/2 use is only going to diminish with > > time and > > at some point in the future IBM will stop working on it. > > > > There is ONE interesting scenario which might change this however, which is > > if IBM > > releases the code to OS/2 and makes it an Open Source project. I don't > > know if > > that's possible given the historical work that Microsoft did with it, but > > if IBM could do > > this, then OS/2 would be a viable platform for as long as there were users > > doing > > things with it, which could be some very long period of time. I fully > > recognize that > > OS/2 does a lot of things very well, and that ability could propel it's use > > into the far > > future if the user base were able to maintain it. Failing that, OS/2 will fade. > > In all this talk about OS/2, there is little mention of Microsoft's > trial which has lasted two years and which has shown them to be a monopoly > company. Sooner or later, this monopoly situation will end. > > Maybe people are fed up of getting email viruses which destroy their > machines. Some day these people may wake up and discover that using > a machine with Windows on it is just asking for trouble and not worth > the hassle it causes. The world's media have yet to fathom that a > machine can run with alternative OS's, since whenever there is a > 'Melissa' or 'I love You' bug in the news, the fact that it only ever > effects Windows users is somehow overlooked. > > > --STeve Andre' (andres@msu.edu) > > > > At 04:06 PM 7/30/00 -0400, you wrote: > > >In <4.3.2.7.0.20000730133334.00bfbbc0@pilot.msu.edu>, on 07/30/00 > > > at 01:53 PM, "STeve Andre'" said: > > -- > John > > > > From cph Sun Jul 30 22:53:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA07569 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:53:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04545; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:51:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:50:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04372; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04337; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:50:16 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30466; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA53191; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <032201bffa9a$5e694c90$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , "Mike Capone" Cc: References: <000501bffa8b$feae57e0$1b00a8c0@dallas> <3984D542.F9656855@gate.net> Subject: Re: OS Wars and a small alarm (which is ON TOPIC!)... :-) Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:52:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Simply install the latest NT 4 Service Pack (currently SP 6a) "BEFORE" doing any of this and NT will not care about the new NTFS. The fix for the new NTFS5 has been available via Service Pack since SP4 or so. Not a problem. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morrow" To: "Mike Capone" Cc: Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 6:24 PM Subject: Re: OS Wars and a small alarm (which is ON TOPIC!)... :-) > Speaking of OS Wars (???).. > a few observations.. :-) > i like windoze because its pretty standard, i would like to have a version of > OS/2 but it only exists at banks and other large commercial sites these days.. > Linux is nice but still a long way from the convienence of Windoze.. > > NOW, a small alarm for the NT users out there who might put an NTFS HDD in as a > second HDD with a w2k OS running the show.. > DON'T..!! > apparently, W2k will redo the NTFS on the NT HDD to the w2k version of NTFS and > Viola!! some apps on the NT HDD won't work..! > > OK, if you guys want to have a battle, i'll make a seperate topic on my > thinkpads.com open forum.. > you can swear and fulminate as much as anyonw wants.. i'll not interfere.. :-)) > > Mike Capone wrote: > > > Who cares? this crap is off topic! Take it off the > > reflector. This has nothing to do with installing OS/2 on > > a thinkpad, so what is it doing on here? It's worsening > > the signal/noise ratio. Theres enough posts on here to look > > at without having to deal with braindead "os jock" retards > > that get stuck in the endless loop battle of battling over which > > OS is better? Who really gives a flying f*ck? People are going > > to use whatever OS they want, irregardless of anyones opinion... > > Wether its windows or OS/2 or BSD or DOS, etc, etc, ad nauseum. You > > people must realize that these "battles" are fruitless and > > result in ABSOLUTELY NOTHING being accomplished. > > > > The bottom line is this "war" has ALMOST NOTHING to do with > > IBM thinkpads. > > > > If you want to waste time arguing about operating systems, then take > > it to private email, or an advocacy group on usenet, or another place > > built for the purpose. > > > > -Mike > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: John Poltorak [mailto:jp@eyup.org] > > > Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2000 8:19 PM > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > Subject: Re: OS Wars again... > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Jul 30, 2000 at 04:39:00PM -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > > > > Sigh. > > > > > > > > I've researched this, which is how I came to my conclusions. > > > > > > > > I've also talked to IBM. You might want to do the same. > > > > > > IBM is not one person. > > > > > > It is a huge company. It has a huge turnover - greater than most of > > > the countries in the world. There are very few people within IBM who > > > understand, let alone speak for IBM. > > > > > > > Look, I'm really sorry that OS/2 is dead--I truly am. > > > > > > In the last two days I have been installed FixPak 14 for OS/2 Warp 4, > > > tried out the latest test version of the Mozilla (the next version of > > > Netscape) for OS/2, tested a new release of Odin - a Win32 converter > > > for OS/2 and checked out another release of some tools being released > > > for producing a Posix subsytem for OS/2 (Posix/2). With these tools > > > you can take source code written for *BSD and it will compile as a > > > native OS/2 app. This means that before too long OS/2 will provide > > > a platform for not only running OS/2 apps, but also Win32 and Unix > > > apps, without any requirement for anyone to port those apps to OS/2. > > > > > > Just to remind you, Warp 4 came out almost four years ago, and it > > > included a Voice Navigation subsystem. Now Bill Gates is trying to > > > sell the 'innovative' idea of voice control as a feature of a future > > > version of Windows. > > > > > > Maybe someone who is familiar with Windows can tell me how many different > > > versions of Windows they will have to buy before IBM stops > > > producing *free* > > > Fixpaks for Warp4 ? > > > > > > > The reason why IBM is > > > > working on things at the moment is that they are *obligated* to do this. > > > > > > IBM has some large commercial organisations using OS/2. You may have > > > heard of HSBC - the worlds largest bank. They want support for OS/2 for > > > at least another six years. > > > > > > > When > > > > their contract with the government runs out, you are going to > > > hear the giant > > > > rushing sound of a vacuum being created--it will be the > > > cessation of further > > > > work from them, unless other entities provide funding. > > > > > > > > OS/2 is *Dead*. > > > > > > There is a new version of OS/2 under the brand name eComStation. > > > This is an OEM version being vigorously marketed by a company called > > > Serenity Systems for use in specific environments. > > > > > > > The market has spoken, > > > > > > The 'monopoly' has decreed... > > > > > > > and no matter how much it might > > > > be sad (or horrid, since I personally detest windows and use OpenBSD for > > > > real things), but that's the way it is. > > > > > > > > I do comprehend what OS/2 can do. I certainly appreciate it, > > > despite it's not > > > > being my favorite, UNIX. But I also comprehend the fact that > > > the user base > > > > is shrinking. Again, that's sad but true. > > > > > > > > I have an idea, since you say I don't have the slightest idea > > > what I'm talking > > > > about: make a copy of this email on paper, and lets go over it again one > > > > year from now (or say the end of July, one day from now). > > > Let's review things > > > > then and see what the state of affairs is. Anyone else who is > > > interested is > > > > welcome to do this too. If I am wrong and there is more > > > activity then compared > > > > to now, I shall humbly apologize to all. > > > > > > > > I stand behind what I have said. OS/2 use is only going to diminish with > > > > time and > > > > at some point in the future IBM will stop working on it. > > > > > > > > There is ONE interesting scenario which might change this > > > however, which is > > > > if IBM > > > > releases the code to OS/2 and makes it an Open Source project. I don't > > > > know if > > > > that's possible given the historical work that Microsoft did > > > with it, but > > > > if IBM could do > > > > this, then OS/2 would be a viable platform for as long as there > > > were users > > > > doing > > > > things with it, which could be some very long period of time. I fully > > > > recognize that > > > > OS/2 does a lot of things very well, and that ability could > > > propel it's use > > > > into the far > > > > future if the user base were able to maintain it. Failing that, > > > OS/2 will fade. > > > > > > In all this talk about OS/2, there is little mention of Microsoft's > > > trial which has lasted two years and which has shown them to be a monopoly > > > company. Sooner or later, this monopoly situation will end. > > > > > > Maybe people are fed up of getting email viruses which destroy their > > > machines. Some day these people may wake up and discover that using > > > a machine with Windows on it is just asking for trouble and not worth > > > the hassle it causes. The world's media have yet to fathom that a > > > machine can run with alternative OS's, since whenever there is a > > > 'Melissa' or 'I love You' bug in the news, the fact that it only ever > > > effects Windows users is somehow overlooked. > > > > > > > --STeve Andre' (andres@msu.edu) > > > > > > > > At 04:06 PM 7/30/00 -0400, you wrote: > > > > >In <4.3.2.7.0.20000730133334.00bfbbc0@pilot.msu.edu>, on 07/30/00 > > > > > at 01:53 PM, "STeve Andre'" said: > > > > > > -- > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > > From cph Sun Jul 30 23:27:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA07700 for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:27:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06046; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:24:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05923; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA05906; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:24:37 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (SPFDA010-0237.splitrock.net [209.156.166.237]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA32407; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 20:24:24 -0700 Message-ID: <3984F145.42A0FCE@mail.orion.org> Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 22:23:49 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brad Burean CC: Thinkpad Users Subject: Re: Paint References: <001501bffa47$bcef88e0$38e85ecf@oemcomputer> <39848C8A.1D0BD934@mail.orion.org> <000d01bffa64$5ba9ee00$b5e85ecf@oemcomputer> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Brad Burean wrote: > > No it's plastic. High gloss wouldn't work. Satin or a semi-gloss. Just > don't want it to show wear from the case. This TP will set on a display > desk most of the time. I'm putting the company logo on the cover. Must be > enamel, I think it's much stronger. I think Krylon makes a good paint. > Thanks for all the input. For what it's worth, Wal-Mart does have a satin finish clearcoat enamel in an aerosol can. BTW, the best and most durable paints are urethane. It's stronger than enamel, but I think urethane likes to be heat cured. I've never seen urethane in an aerosol can though, but it goes by the trade name Dupont Imron. I think enamel will be fine for a laptop. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Mon Jul 31 00:06:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id AAA07998 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 00:06:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08346; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 00:05:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 00:02:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08190; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 00:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08177; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 00:02:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 00:02:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA10407; Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:00:37 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2000 23:00:37 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: Will Lau cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: T20 Battery life? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: 4 hours on a really good day with a full moon! This is with the screen dimmed, little hard drive access and no CD access, sound muted, no PC cards, etc. When I don't care how long the battery lasts, I generally see ~ 3:15 or so. With heavy use and the screen brightness turned all the way up, 2:30 is a more honest expectation. In general I can count on three hours, which can be stretched to four with a bit of thought. On Sun, 30 Jul 2000, Will Lau wrote: > You guy's with the new swish T20s, how long do you get on your batteries in > real life? -- Mitchell Leben Owner of scan@leben.com mailing mitch@leben.com list for film & print scanners. Send http://www.leben.com/lists 'subscribe scan' to majordomo@leben.com From cph Mon Jul 31 02:25:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA08452 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:25:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16613; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:24:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:22:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16479; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16462; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (195.170.0.2 -> ns1.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:22:22 -0400 Received: from athe530-n099.otenet.gr (athe530-n099.otenet.gr [212.205.246.99]) by ns1.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6V6M9a07064 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:22:10 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007310622.e6V6M9a07064@ns1.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:20:59 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: TP600X and OS/2 Warp 4 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id CAA16613 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA08453 On Sun, 30 Jul 2000 17:39:27 -0600 (MDT), J. Michael Stolp wrote: >Any suggestions how to setup or configure drivers for Lucent internal >modem on TP600X and OS/2 Warp? The modem driver and the instructions to install it can be found in this page: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4EU223.html You might also want to take a look at the 600 series download matrix. >What sources are there for suggestions to install and to tweak OS/2 >Warp on TP? Go to the 600 series download matrix page, and download everything for OS/2. There is a TrackPoint driver, the video driver, sound card driver, the PC Card Director 4.12 (for pcmcia) and some other stuff. After you download them, install them all :) btw you may want to take a look at SDD, a 3rd party video driver licensed by IBM. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Jul 31 02:29:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id CAA08457 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:29:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA17099; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:27:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:26:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16886; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16873; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:26:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:26:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (arc1a189.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.190]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA25071 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007310626.CAA25071@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) localhost from arc1a189.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.190] 209.198.113.190 Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 02:22:27 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000730161732.02902220@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: OS Wars again... X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 (Unregistered) List-Unsubscribe: In <4.3.2.7.0.20000730161732.02902220@pilot.msu.edu>, on 07/30/00 at 04:39 PM, "STeve Andre'" said: >Sigh. >I've researched this, which is how I came to my conclusions. >I've also talked to IBM. You might want to do the same. What you say does not agree with the ***published position*** of IBM on OS2. In a news group, you would be a troll. BTW, The market didn't speak, as you put it. -- but the fact that you post in this context -- in light of the anti-trust trial and what we now know, tells me that you have your own narrow and wrong views with no intention of listening to the truth. BTW, you completely missed the POINT! OS2 does for me what no other OS can. That means I could care less about what you say. Go away and stay away on the subject; e.g., you don't have any information worth listening to. >Look, I'm really sorry that OS/2 is dead--I truly am. The reason why IBM is >working on things at the moment is that they are *obligated* to do this. >When their contract with the government runs out, you are going to hear the >giant rushing sound of a vacuum being created--it will be the cessation of >further work from them, unless other entities provide funding. >OS/2 is *Dead*. The market has spoken, and no matter how much it might be >sad (or horrid, since I personally detest windows and use OpenBSD for real >things), but that's the way it is. >I do comprehend what OS/2 can do. I certainly appreciate it, despite it's >not being my favorite, UNIX. But I also comprehend the fact that the user >base is shrinking. Again, that's sad but true. >I have an idea, since you say I don't have the slightest idea what I'm >talking about: make a copy of this email on paper, and lets go over it again >one year from now (or say the end of July, one day from now). Let's review >things then and see what the state of affairs is. Anyone else who is >interested is welcome to do this too. If I am wrong and there is more >activity then compared to now, I shall humbly apologize to all. >I stand behind what I have said. OS/2 use is only going to diminish with >time and >at some point in the future IBM will stop working on it. >There is ONE interesting scenario which might change this however, which is >if IBM >releases the code to OS/2 and makes it an Open Source project. I don't know >if >that's possible given the historical work that Microsoft did with it, but if >IBM could do >this, then OS/2 would be a viable platform for as long as there were users >doing >things with it, which could be some very long period of time. I fully >recognize that >OS/2 does a lot of things very well, and that ability could propel it's use >into the far >future if the user base were able to maintain it. Failing that, OS/2 will >fade. >Sorry to have gotten this so far off track from ThinkPads. Please direct >more comments >to me directly and we may talk of this more if people want. >--STeve Andre' (andres@msu.edu) >At 04:06 PM 7/30/00 -0400, you wrote: >>In <4.3.2.7.0.20000730133334.00bfbbc0@pilot.msu.edu>, on 07/30/00 >> at 01:53 PM, "STeve Andre'" said: >> >> >Alan, I don't want to start a flamefest over this, but it seems to me that >> >you are missing the essential fact of why IBM is still coming out with >> >updates for OS/2. >> >> >They have to. >> >> >The government uses OS/2 in many applications, and they always demand >> support >> >for some long period of time after the product's life cycle is over. As >> >an example I know that Oracle had to provide support for its products on >> >SunOS 4.1.x for 10 years. So it is with OS/2, though I have no idea >> what the >> >timeframe is, but I suspect 10 years from the official announcement of IBM's >> >stopping support for Team OS/2? >> >> >At any rate, the US government is the driving force behind the continued >> sets >> >of updates for OS/2. Once that contract is finished, you will see support >> >for OS/2 completely evaporate, unless some other entity comes forward and >> >pays for it. >> >> >OS/2 was/is a neat system, but it has absolutely no future. I'm sorry for >> >that, >> >but that's life. >> >>I was going to stay out of this, but you do not know what you are talking >>about. We are not getting maintenance mode fixpacks, as you suggest, but new >>features everytime one is released. In one instance I loaded a version of >>Photoshop that never ran on OS2 and IBM siad it never would because of the >>cost of fixing the M$ W32 trick that kept it from running -- and it now runs >>just fine. So what we are seeing is some pretty strange corporate behavior, >>if what you claim had any substance. >> >>Now it is true that the criminal acts of M$ cut off the supply of applications >>from the large vendors, but there is nothing that I'm missing in my work. You >>and the other Winusers need to comprehend that we are doing things with OS2 >>that you cannot and never will be able to that are too valuable to give up for >>a system that offers less. -- That isn't a sign Win users should switch, but >>rather to shut up until you know what is actually going on. >> >>You Winonly guys also miss the point that OS2 users, after being exposed to >>real multi-tasking and learning what it means to productivity, really don't >>want the single-threaded stuff see in WinX software. It may be fine for you >>and most people -- but when you've seen better you don't step backwards >>without good reason. There isn't one anywhere in sight. >> >> >>----------------------------------------------------------- >>letoured@sover.net >>----------------------------------------------------------- -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Jul 31 04:54:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id EAA08752 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:54:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23595; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:53:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:50:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23474; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.teleport.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA23444; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.teleport.com (192.108.254.43 -> mail2.teleport.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 04:50:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 1183 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2000 08:49:57 -0000 Received: from i48-04-40.pdx.du.teleport.com (HELO teleport.com) (216.26.2.232) by mail2.teleport.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2000 08:49:57 -0000 Message-ID: <39853D0B.D21DDC6F@teleport.com> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 01:47:07 -0700 From: Bryan Daum X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Recovery CD question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Should the recovery cd on my new 600E give a complete reload (of the original pre-load)? If it is, or should be, should I test it? I just had an attempt at recovery that didn't take -and that tech support couldn't make work either- which resulted in a very quick turn around EZ Serv re-image even though all system tests tested as ok.. All is now ok. I kind of want to test the new cd they agreed to send when I called back and said that I had no confidence in the original recovery disk....but with the three year warranty maybe I should just file the new cd....? Any thoughts? BTW: IBM tech support service and the EZ Serve turn around were great. Bryan From cph Mon Jul 31 07:53:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id HAA09282 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 07:53:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05222; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 07:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 07:50:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05083; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 07:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cochiti.nm.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05056; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 07:49:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007311149.HAA05056@cs.utk.edu> Received: from cochiti.nm.org (129.121.1.13 -> cochiti.nm.org) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 07:50:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 74500 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2000 11:49:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) (198.59.120.83) by cochiti.nm.org with SMTP; 31 Jul 2000 11:49:57 -0000 From: "J. Michael Stolp" To: "Thinkpad List" , "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 05:32:23 -0600 (MDT) Reply-To: "J. Michael Stolp" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200007310622.e6V6M9a07064@ns1.otenet.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP600X and OS/2 Warp 4 List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 09:20:59 +0100 (BST), Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis wrote: >>Any suggestions how to setup or configure drivers for Lucent internal >>modem on TP600X and OS/2 Warp? > >The modem driver and the instructions to install it can be found >in this page: > >http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4EU223.html > >You might also want to take a look at the 600 series download matrix. Dimitris, Unfortunately, I have been there, done that. The software appears to install, however, the modem seem to initialize. The dialer cannot find the modem, or it sometimes reports that the COM port is in use. I have reviewed the settings in Thinkpad setup, and do not see an apparent conflict there. I have booted to Easy Setup, and reinitialized there. Any other suggestions as to what may be going on? Thanks. -- Warmest Regards. Mike From cph Mon Jul 31 10:32:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id KAA09912 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:32:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16013; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:29:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15792; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15777; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (195.170.0.2 -> ns1.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:29:03 -0400 Received: from athe530-n099.otenet.gr (athe530-e118.otenet.gr [212.205.247.118]) by ns1.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e6VESxa24364; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:28:59 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200007311428.e6VESxa24364@ns1.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" , "J. Michael Stolp" Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:27:46 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: TP600X and OS/2 Warp 4 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id KAA16013 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA09913 On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 05:32:23 -0600 (MDT), J. Michael Stolp wrote: >Unfortunately, I have been there, done that. >The software appears to install, however, the modem seem to initialize. The dialer >cannot find the modem, or it sometimes reports that the COM port is in use. I have >reviewed the settings in Thinkpad setup, and do not see an apparent conflict there. I >have booted to Easy Setup, and reinitialized there. >Any other suggestions as to what may be going on? don't know really, i'm using a 600E and not the internal modem but one that comes in a pcmcia card. This sounds like a conflict, did you try the modem under another operating system? if it works elsewhere then its not a hardware problem but a conflict of programs within OS/2. You could try the SIO driver instead of com.sys, its much better. (i think it can be found in hobbes) the 'rmview' command may also tell you if there is any conflict, you could also try the hardware manager. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Jul 31 11:13:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA10176 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:13:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21386; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:10:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21099; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21056; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:10:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:10:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (jeffj1@localhost) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id e6VFA1K09229 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:10:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:10:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeff Jackowski To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP600X and OS/2 Warp 4 In-Reply-To: <200007311428.e6VESxa24364@ns1.otenet.gr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis wrote: > On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 05:32:23 -0600 (MDT), J. Michael Stolp wrote: > > >Unfortunately, I have been there, done that. > >The software appears to install, however, the modem seem to initialize. The dialer > >cannot find the modem, or it sometimes reports that the COM port is in use. I have > >reviewed the settings in Thinkpad setup, and do not see an apparent conflict there. I > >have booted to Easy Setup, and reinitialized there. > >Any other suggestions as to what may be going on? > > don't know really, i'm using a 600E and not the internal modem > but one that comes in a pcmcia card. > > This sounds like a conflict, did you try the modem under another > operating system? if it works elsewhere then its not a hardware problem > but a conflict of programs within OS/2. > > You could try the SIO driver instead of com.sys, its much better. > (i think it can be found in hobbes) > > the 'rmview' command may also tell you if there is any conflict, you > could also try the hardware manager. With the ThinkPad DOS utilities, I think, you can use PS2 to view the hardware IRQ and DMA setups in a nice table. It runs from an OS/2 prompt just fine. I think the commands to give are "ps2 ? irq" and "ps2 ? dma". Of course, the ThinkPads don't seem to accept invalid hardware configurations (at least my 765D doesn't), so it would more likely be a hardware to software configuration mismatch. Maybe some non-standard serial port setup, for instance. In that particular case, the SIO driver is unlikely to help. Jeff Jackowski http://ro.com/~jeffj/ From cph Mon Jul 31 11:52:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA10425 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:52:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27192; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:50:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:49:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26949; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:48:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26933; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot009.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.109 -> pilot009.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:48:57 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port44.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.45]) by pilot009.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA28148 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:48:53 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000731114456.00bfc680@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:48:48 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Recovery CD question In-Reply-To: <39853D0B.D21DDC6F@teleport.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: As far as I know, all the recovery CD's for ThinkPads should restore the unit to its EXACT state as it left the factory. That way you always have a known base line from which to go from in case of disaster, etc. If you are at a point where you could test this new CD, I would. If you all of a sudden needed to restore things two years from now and found out that you couldn't, you might be in a bad position 'till you could contact IBM. --STeve Andre' At 01:47 AM 7/31/00 -0700, Bryan Daum wrote: >Should the recovery cd on my new 600E give a complete reload (of the >original pre-load)? If it is, or should be, should I test it? > >I just had an attempt at recovery that didn't take -and that tech >support couldn't make work either- which resulted in a very quick turn >around EZ Serv re-image even though all system tests tested as ok.. All >is now ok. > >I kind of want to test the new cd they agreed to send when I called back >and said >that I had no confidence in the original recovery disk....but with the >three year warranty maybe I should just file the new cd....? > >Any thoughts? > >BTW: IBM tech support service and the EZ Serve turn around were great. > >Bryan From cph Mon Jul 31 13:05:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA10904 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:05:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04855; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:02:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04442; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:02:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04428; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:02:06 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 207.94.232.122 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 10:01:31 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01bffb11$7d8be840$f4e85ecf@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Ibm logos Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:04:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Anybody know where I can get some repacement IBM logos for the 560? Looks like they are just a stick-on deal. I've decided to try to paint my 560 since the outside looks so bad. Can't decide on a color though, for a true blue by Krylon that matches the IBM logo blue. Any suggestions on a good color? Have a old top off of some thinkpad and bezel frame, experimenting with krylon now. If your interested how it turns out let me know. Brad From cph Mon Jul 31 13:11:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA10936 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:11:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05454; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:07:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05264; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05249; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:07:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot003.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.103 -> pilot003.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:07:36 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port44.annarbor02.tir.com [216.40.151.45]) by pilot003.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA24648 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:07:34 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000731130626.023a8290@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:07:19 -0400 To: "Thinkpad Users" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Ibm logos In-Reply-To: <000d01bffb11$7d8be840$f4e85ecf@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Definitely post your final results. It will be interesting to see if this can be done. Thanks, STeve Andre' At 12:04 PM 7/31/00 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >Anybody know where I can get some repacement IBM logos for the 560? Looks >like they are just a stick-on deal. I've decided to try to paint my 560 >since the outside looks so bad. Can't decide on a color though, for a true >blue by Krylon that matches the IBM logo blue. Any suggestions on a good >color? > >Have a old top off of some thinkpad and bezel frame, experimenting with >krylon now. If your interested how it turns out let me know. > >Brad From cph Mon Jul 31 13:47:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id NAA11220 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:47:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09795; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:44:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08822; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:44:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08799; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:44:33 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.74.14.116]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000731174430.BJOZ6710.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:44:30 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01bffb16$926666a0$740e4a0c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: RE: OS Wars again... PLEASE END THIS S*IT! Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 12:41:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. I agree, OSs are very subjective, I use OS2 and windows 3.1 / DOS 6.1.1 / 95/98 and linux / unix, plus CE. Each one has its place, be it because it's the only thing that will fit on a 730T, or because it works well on a 730C/CE, or perhaps it is what came came with your workpad Z50. Besides helping someone with getting whatever flavor of OS going, there is no point. Who cares? this crap is off topic! Take it off the reflector. This has nothing to do with installing OS/2 on a thinkpad, so what is it doing on here? It's worsening the signal/noise ratio. Theres enough posts on here to look at without having to deal with braindead "os jock" retards that get stuck in the endless loop battle of battling over which OS is better? Who really gives a flying f*ck? People are going to use whatever OS they want, irregardless of anyones opinion... Wether its windows or OS/2 or BSD or DOS, etc, etc, ad nauseum. You people must realize that these "battles" are fruitless and result in ABSOLUTELY NOTHING being accomplished. The bottom line is this "war" has ALMOST NOTHING to do with IBM thinkpads. If you want to waste time arguing about operating systems, then take it to private email, or an advocacy group on usenet, or another place built for the purpose. -Mike From cph Mon Jul 31 14:09:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA11380 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:09:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12137; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:06:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11920; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11906; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:06:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:06:03 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 207.94.232.63 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:05:30 -0700 Message-ID: <002e01bffb1a$6d8de340$f4e85ecf@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Painting update. Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 13:09:09 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: While letting my paint dry I called IBM, at least for the Thinkpad 560 new stick-on logos are not available. Brad From cph Mon Jul 31 15:33:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id PAA11927 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:33:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20675; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:30:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20422; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0f.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20392; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0f.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.35 -> www0f.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:30:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 18224 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Jul 2000 19:29:54 -0000 Message-ID: <20000731192954.18223.qmail@www0f.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.35 by www0f for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Mon Jul 31 19:29:53 GMT 2000 Date: 31 Jul 00 14:29:53 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: FS: 760EL X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA11928 I have the ability to sell a couple of used 760EL ThinkPads if anyone is interested. 760EL 133Mhz Pentium Processor 40 MB RAM 1.4 GB Hard Drive 33.6 PCMCIA Modem Win95 installed (to demonstrate that machine works - no license) $325 plus shipping Rob rbell1@netscape.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. From cph Mon Jul 31 16:14:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA12285 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:14:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25099; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:10:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24926; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:10:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24913; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:10:55 -0400 Received: from IBM390X (adsl-151-202-18-129.bellatlantic.net [151.202.18.129]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA01341; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200007312010.QAA01341@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> From: "Philip R. Mann" To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" , "J. Michael Stolp" , "Thinkpad List" Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:10:35 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Philip R. Mann" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <200007311149.HAA05056@cs.utk.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: TP600X and OS/2 Warp 4 List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 05:32:23 -0600 (MDT), J. Michael Stolp wrote: > The dialer cannot find the modem, or it sometimes reports that the COM port is in use. Check your BIOS settings for the port that the modem uses "for legacy applications" and use that in the dialer. ----- PRM ----- From cph Mon Jul 31 17:26:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA12949 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:26:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01969; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:21:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01574; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01560; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:21:40 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 207.94.232.127 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 14:21:04 -0700 Message-ID: <000201bffb35$c00ed820$7fe85ecf@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Paint update II Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 16:16:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Got the final coat (total of 5) on the the Thinkpad display bezel and backing. WOW! The Krylon gives a great finish! I'm not kidding, visually it looks factory. I put on the first 3 coats thin, the great thing about the krylon was it dried in about 15 minutes. Between every coat I wiped down the surface with a automotive tack rag. Very satin finish and the brightness icon is very sharp, not filled with paint. Now the test is how durable will it be? I'm going to let this cure outside, it hot here in Kansas (90 degrees) for a week, then I'll bang it around and see how it looks. I might tape off 1/2 and clear coat it and see what happens. Brad From cph Mon Jul 31 17:40:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id RAA13078 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:40:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02978; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:38:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02845; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02832; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot010.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.110 -> pilot010.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:38:00 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (andres-53.user.msu.edu [35.10.64.26]) by pilot010.cl.msu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA52254 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:37:58 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000731173736.02290610@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:38:34 -0400 To: "Thinkpad Users" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Paint update II In-Reply-To: <000201bffb35$c00ed820$7fe85ecf@oemcomputer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Can you give more detailed info here on how you did this? This sounds really cool. If you have a digital camera, I'm sure there are those who'd like to see this. --STeve Andre' At 04:16 PM 7/31/00 -0500, Brad Burean wrote: >Got the final coat (total of 5) on the the Thinkpad display bezel and >backing. WOW! The Krylon gives a great finish! I'm not kidding, visually >it looks factory. I put on the first 3 coats thin, the great thing about >the krylon was it dried in about 15 minutes. Between every coat I wiped >down the surface with a automotive tack rag. Very satin finish and the >brightness icon is very sharp, not filled with paint. > >Now the test is how durable will it be? I'm going to let this cure outside, >it hot here in Kansas (90 degrees) for a week, then I'll bang it around and >see how it looks. I might tape off 1/2 and clear coat it and see what >happens. > >Brad From cph Mon Jul 31 18:27:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA13517 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:27:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06948; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:26:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:24:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06760; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06747; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:24:27 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 207.94.232.61 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 15:23:52 -0700 Message-ID: <001501bffb3e$8512a900$7fe85ecf@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "STeve Andre'" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000731173736.02290610@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Paint update II Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:27:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Ok Steve; Well first you have to completely disassemble the computer, and make sure all parts are off that you don't want painted. I removed the display adjustment sliders, and the little plastic dots. (you can paint the dots too, just stick'em on something) 1. Clean the complete surface to be painted with paint thinner to remove dirt, grease oils etc. And let dry completely DON'T USE Laquer thinner! 2. Place the item on a stand or something so when you spray it gets the edges, etc. Put your first coat on extremely light, and let it dry. I waited about 20-30 minutes, and wiped it down with a tack cloth and gave it another thin coat, paying attention to the angles and edges of the bezel. 3. Give it another thin coat, wiping down between each coat and let it dry about 40 minutes after the third coat. I really looked it over before giving it the final 2 coats, seeing where the paint was covering and where it wasn't. That black will stand out like a sore thumb if you miss a place! 4. I put on the last two coats, about 30 minutes apart, Came out perfect. Key to painting is, do it early before the bugs are out. If a bug does land in your paint, leave him there until it dries. And take you time. I've painted 10-15 cars in my life and if you rush it, you'll mess it up. If you have a old computer to practice on, go that way. 5. Let it dry as long as you can live without the machine. I've already dry fitted the pieces back together, but on my 560 I'll wait at least 48 hours before I touch them. If the paint is at all tacky let it go another 24hours. 6. The only problems I can see doing this is those damn logo's. You could try to mask them off, or just paint them and then highlight them with another color, you would need a very fine brush and a steady hand here. On the inside, if you painted the palm rest like my 560 has, I wonder how long it would look good. And if you do foul up, and decide to remove all the paint, well you're going to have one hell of a mess. If the Krylon holds up to scuffs and scrapes as well as it looks now, I'm going shopping for my 560's paint! Hope this helps, BTW my neighbor came over while I was painting and asked if I could paint a laptop for his son Pokemon yellow, this make the wheels turn for ebay around the holidays! From cph Mon Jul 31 20:04:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA14189 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:04:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16402; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:00:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16017; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15994; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au (192.189.54.17 -> yarrina.connect.com.au) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:00:31 -0400 Received: from snapper3 (cor1-ppp1.cai.dialup.connect.net.au [210.10.242.129]) by yarrina.connect.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id D64F911568 for ; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:00:24 +1000 (EST) From: "Will Lau" To: Subject: RE: T20 Battery life? Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 10:01:07 +1000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Gee and I thought it would cots me a couple hundred dollars :) I have a second primary battery which takes me out to 5hrs on a plane, but my old AMD Toshiba used to get 4-5 hrs on one battery giving me a very useful 8-10hrs on a long flight. If anyone has a good spare slimbay battery going cheap I'd be interested :) -Will > The 600x has a second battery that fits in the ultraslim bay. It > extendes the lifetime to 5 or 6 hours at the cost of several extra > ounces and a missing cd drive. From cph Mon Jul 31 20:44:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA14369 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:44:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19462; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:43:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:41:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19275; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19258; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:41:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (205.152.115.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:41:53 -0400 Received: from jnipper.m-y.net (line180.m-y.net [216.77.88.110]) by my1.m-y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA20801 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:40:17 -0400 Message-Id: <200007312340.TAA20801@my1.m-y.net> From: "Computer Guru" To: Subject: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:45:24 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: HI Everyone, I am still having tons of problems with my Thinkpad 1420i laptop. Just got it back from EZ Serv on Friday, and they had replaced the HDD and the floppy drive for me. Now that I have the unit back, I still have had tons of lock-ups and problems with it. The tech had said that it was all "software related", obviously this is not the case since it still acts up with factory loaded software, installed by Ez serv. Also,I have had a screen problem with it for the last few days. My question is: I am seriously considering the option of getting a replacement computer from IBM. I am told that sometimes they are willing to do this for people that have "Major problem units". When they are willing to exchange a unit, do they always give the you the SAME MODEL, or an upgraded model? I ask this because the 1420i is a known problem model in my book, and I am not sure if getting another one would solve the problem. They all seem to have the known "USB Humm", and a replacement system board is the only real way to have that fixed. Also the "Stock" drive that they ship with (4.8 gig), are known problem drives. Any Ideas?? Please let me know ASAP. Thanks, Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ------------------------------------- From cph Mon Jul 31 20:53:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA14428 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:53:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21232; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:52:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21016; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20996; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:51:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (194.164.53.205) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:51:57 -0400 Received: by mailtest.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.04/2.0) id BAA059.29; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:48:30 +0100 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 01:48:30 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! Message-ID: <20000801014830.E597@eyup.org> References: <200007312340.TAA20801@my1.m-y.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: <200007312340.TAA20801@my1.m-y.net>; from Computer Guru on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 08:45:24PM -0400 X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 08:45:24PM -0400, Computer Guru wrote: > HI Everyone, > > I am still having tons of problems with my Thinkpad 1420i laptop. Just got > it back from EZ Serv on Friday, and they had replaced the HDD and the > floppy drive for me. > > Now that I have the unit back, I still have had tons of lock-ups and > problems with it. The tech had said that it was all "software related", This is what Windows users put up with day after day after day. Just live with it. This is normal. > Any Ideas?? Please let me know ASAP. > > Thanks, > Jim > > > -- > Regards, > Computer-Guru > pctech@southeast.net > ------------------------------------- -- John From cph Mon Jul 31 20:55:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA14440 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:55:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21544; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:55:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:54:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21372; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:54:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21338; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (205.152.115.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:53:57 -0400 Received: from jnipper.m-y.net (line180.m-y.net [216.77.88.110]) by my1.m-y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21535 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:52:16 -0400 Message-Id: <200007312352.TAA21535@my1.m-y.net> From: "Computer Guru" To: Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! Correction Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:57:24 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: That should have said: They replaced the HDD and the Battery, not the floppy drive. Thanks. -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ------------------------------------- ---------- > From: Computer Guru > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! > Date: Monday, July 31, 2000 8:45 PM > > HI Everyone, > > I am still having tons of problems with my Thinkpad 1420i laptop. Just got > it back from EZ Serv on Friday, and they had replaced the HDD and the > floppy drive for me. > > Now that I have the unit back, I still have had tons of lock-ups and > problems with it. The tech had said that it was all "software related", > obviously this is not the case since it still acts up with factory loaded > software, installed by Ez serv. > > Also,I have had a screen problem with it for the last few days. > > My question is: I am seriously considering the option of getting a > replacement computer from IBM. I am told that sometimes they are willing to > do this for people that have "Major problem units". When they are willing > to exchange a unit, do they always give the you the SAME MODEL, or an > upgraded model? I ask this because the 1420i is a known problem model in my > book, and I am not sure if getting another one would solve the problem. > They all seem to have the known "USB Humm", and a replacement system board > is the only real way to have that fixed. Also the "Stock" drive that they > ship with (4.8 gig), are known problem drives. > > > > Any Ideas?? Please let me know ASAP. > > Thanks, > Jim > > > -- > Regards, > Computer-Guru > pctech@southeast.net > ------------------------------------- From cph Mon Jul 31 20:59:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id UAA14472 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:59:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22008; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:58:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:57:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21812; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21790; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:57:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from my1.m-y.net (205.152.115.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:57:20 -0400 Received: from jnipper.m-y.net (line180.m-y.net [216.77.88.110]) by my1.m-y.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA21764; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:55:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200007312355.TAA21764@my1.m-y.net> From: "Computer Guru" To: "John Poltorak" , Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:00:31 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Priority: 1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: But see, It could not be software related as it is a fresh copy of the OS. It had only been up and running for 10 minutes, no software added. I don't care what OS you run, this type of crash is not normal. It IS hardware related. Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net ------------------------------------- ---------- > From: John Poltorak > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! > Date: Monday, July 31, 2000 8:48 PM > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 08:45:24PM -0400, Computer Guru wrote: > > HI Everyone, > > > > I am still having tons of problems with my Thinkpad 1420i laptop. Just got > > it back from EZ Serv on Friday, and they had replaced the HDD and the > > floppy drive for me. > > > > Now that I have the unit back, I still have had tons of lock-ups and > > problems with it. The tech had said that it was all "software related", > > This is what Windows users put up with day after day after day. > > Just live with it. This is normal. > > > Any Ideas?? Please let me know ASAP. > > > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Computer-Guru > > pctech@southeast.net > > ------------------------------------- > > -- > John > From cph Mon Jul 31 21:11:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA14564 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:11:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23100; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:11:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:09:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22772; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22758; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:09:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:09:24 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id VAA17193; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:09:23 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id VAA03913; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000731180615.028a6040@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:09:20 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! In-Reply-To: <20000801014830.E597@eyup.org> References: <200007312340.TAA20801@my1.m-y.net> <200007312340.TAA20801@my1.m-y.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 01:48 AM 8/1/2000 +0100, you wrote: > > I am still having tons of problems with my Thinkpad 1420i laptop. > Just got > > it back from EZ Serv on Friday, and they had replaced the HDD and the > > floppy drive for me. > > > > Now that I have the unit back, I still have had tons of lock-ups and > > problems with it. The tech had said that it was all "software related", > >This is what Windows users put up with day after day after day. > >Just live with it. This is normal. Not true. But this comment does show that you just can't let it go. From cph Mon Jul 31 21:11:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA14569 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:11:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23176; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:11:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:09:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22868; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:09:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22854; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:09:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:09:50 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (SPFDA010-0182.splitrock.net [209.156.166.182]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id SAA27915 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:09:43 -0700 Message-ID: <39862330.93E50106@mail.orion.org> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:09:04 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: FA: Several ThinkPad 755CE/760-series items Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I put all the last of my spare ThinkPad 755CE and 760-series items on Ebay. If you're interested, please check this link: http://cgi6.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=slin01%40mail.orion.org&include=0&since=-1&sort=2&rows=25 Thanks. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Mon Jul 31 21:32:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA14721 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:32:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25131; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:30:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24942; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:30:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24929; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:29:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (194.164.53.205) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:29:58 -0400 Received: by mailtest.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.04/2.0) id CAA059.54; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:27:18 +0100 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:27:18 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! Message-ID: <20000801022718.G597@eyup.org> References: <200007312340.TAA20801@my1.m-y.net> <200007312340.TAA20801@my1.m-y.net> <20000801014830.E597@eyup.org> <4.2.0.58.20000731180615.028a6040@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000731180615.028a6040@127.0.0.1>; from Randal Whittle on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 06:09:20PM -0700 X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 06:09:20PM -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: > At 01:48 AM 8/1/2000 +0100, you wrote: > > > I am still having tons of problems with my Thinkpad 1420i laptop. > > Just got > > > it back from EZ Serv on Friday, and they had replaced the HDD and the > > > floppy drive for me. > > > > > > Now that I have the unit back, I still have had tons of lock-ups and > > > problems with it. The tech had said that it was all "software related", > > > >This is what Windows users put up with day after day after day. > > > >Just live with it. This is normal. > > Not true. Oh, but it is. My TP 600 often runs continuously for weeks without any problems at all. > But this comment does show that you just can't let it go. I am pointing out that Windows is error prone and millions of users re-boot it several times a day without even thinking twice about it. ThinkPads are quality laptops and are worth the added premium and I would always recommend buying one. I would be very surprised if there was any problems with the hardware, especially if it has been checked out by a trained techinician who states that the hardware is sound. -- John From cph Mon Jul 31 21:36:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA14764 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:36:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25700; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:36:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:34:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25470; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25457; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:34:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (207.181.194.95 -> atlas.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:34:41 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by atlas.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA68781; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA08859; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00db01bffb58$fd8b93a0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "John Poltorak" , References: <200007312340.TAA20801@my1.m-y.net> <20000801014830.E597@eyup.org> Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 18:37:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Shut up, John! That statement is prejudiced in the extreme. I use Windows 2000 day in and day out and it is very stable, no crashes. You are making one basic error. You are stuck in time. You formed an opinion about a version of Windows that was clearly some time ago. Windows is fine for a lot of people. It is stable and doesn't crash. Get over it and stop being a royal pain in the $SS. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Poltorak" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! > On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 08:45:24PM -0400, Computer Guru wrote: > > HI Everyone, > > > > I am still having tons of problems with my Thinkpad 1420i laptop. Just got > > it back from EZ Serv on Friday, and they had replaced the HDD and the > > floppy drive for me. > > > > Now that I have the unit back, I still have had tons of lock-ups and > > problems with it. The tech had said that it was all "software related", > > This is what Windows users put up with day after day after day. > > Just live with it. This is normal. > > > Any Ideas?? Please let me know ASAP. > > > > Thanks, > > Jim > > > > > > -- > > Regards, > > Computer-Guru > > pctech@southeast.net > > ------------------------------------- > > -- > John > > > From cph Mon Jul 31 21:39:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA14787 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:39:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26146; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:39:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:37:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25949; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25928; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:37:30 -0400 Received: from davidreidmob (tnt10-216-180-65-253.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.253]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e711bSj04332 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:37:28 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <005b01bffb59$06c68d80$fd41b4d8@davidreidmob> From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: TP Network cards Recomendations? Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:36:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I need to get a NIC for my TP but not sure what to get I'm looking a the following here in a pcConnection catalog but don't understand the differences. Linksys with integrated RJ45 port EtherFast 10/100 Integrated PC Card 16bit EtherFast 10/100 Integrated CardBus PC Card EtherFast 10/100 PCMCIA PC Card 16bit EtherFast 10/100 CardBus PC Card 32bit Perhaps the last two simply don't have the integrated connection for the RJ45. Anyway, which card is desireable? I don't have a network at home yet, but have a couple of work locations that I need to be able to "hook up" to. Standard MS Windows networks. Thanks dave From cph Mon Jul 31 21:48:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id VAA14872 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:48:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28128; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:47:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:46:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27338; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27325; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailtest.eyup.org (194.164.53.205) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:45:58 -0400 Received: by mailtest.eyup.org (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 2.04/2.0) id CAA059.65; Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:42:23 +0100 Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 02:42:23 +0100 From: John Poltorak To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! Message-ID: <20000801024222.H597@eyup.org> References: <200007312340.TAA20801@my1.m-y.net> <20000801014830.E597@eyup.org> <00db01bffb58$fd8b93a0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.94.15i In-Reply-To: <00db01bffb58$fd8b93a0$0311a8c0@detayls.com>; from David W. Taylor on Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 06:37:01PM -0700 X-Operating-System: OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 06:37:01PM -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: > That statement is prejudiced in the extreme. I use Windows 2000 day in and > day out and it is very stable, no crashes. > > You are making one basic error. You are stuck in time. > > You formed an opinion about a version of Windows that was clearly some time > ago. > > Windows is fine for a lot of people. It is stable and doesn't crash. You are saying Windows 2000 is stable and doesn't crash, yet the vast majority of Windows users are not using Windows 2000 so your comment is not relevant to the vast majority of Windows users for whom daily crashes are the norm. > David > -- John From cph Mon Jul 31 22:05:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA14956 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:05:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29984; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:04:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:02:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29825; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29809; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:02:27 -0400 Received: from davidreidmob (tnt10-216-180-65-253.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.253]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e7122Mj00784; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:02:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00a101bffb5c$8172a340$fd41b4d8@davidreidmob> From: "David Reid" To: "Shawn R. Lin" Cc: "ThinkPad-L" References: <005b01bffb59$06c68d80$fd41b4d8@davidreidmob> <39862AA6.9B6ED437@mail.orion.org> Subject: Re: TP Network cards Recomendations? Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:59:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks Shawn for the info. Yes, the "integrated" refers to the method by which this particular card is connected and thus the reason I like this one. Instead of dongles or an X-Jack type connection, it has a large housing at the back of the card which accepts the RJ 45. By the looks of it, it be preferred in the upper PCMCIA slot as the housing may block the upper slot if inserted in the lower. Thanks again dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shawn R. Lin" To: "David Reid" Cc: "ThinkPad-L" Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 8:40 PM Subject: Re: TP Network cards Recomendations? > David Reid wrote: > > > > I need to get a NIC for my TP but not sure what to get I'm looking a the > > following here in a pcConnection catalog but don't understand the > > differences. > > > > Linksys with integrated RJ45 port > > > > EtherFast 10/100 Integrated PC Card 16bit > > EtherFast 10/100 Integrated CardBus PC Card > > EtherFast 10/100 PCMCIA PC Card 16bit > > EtherFast 10/100 CardBus PC Card 32bit > > > > Perhaps the last two simply don't have the integrated connection for the > > RJ45. Anyway, which card is desireable? I don't have a network at home > > yet, but have a couple of work locations that I need to be able to "hook up" > > to. Standard MS Windows networks. > > >From my understanding, there are 2 standards of PCMCIA. One is 16-bit, > the other is 32-bit which is newer and is called "CardBus". They fit > into the same PCMCIA slots, but older laptops don't support the 32-bit > Cardbus cards. I don't know what the integrated means, but the CardBus > is preferable, so whichever one is Cardbus is the one I'd get. > Integrated might mean it has a popout RJ45 port instead of a dongle. > > Shawn > > > > ________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com > From cph Mon Jul 31 22:31:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA15033 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:31:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02181; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:28:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02013; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02000; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:28:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:28:15 -0400 Received: from tp1480 (adsl-207-68-49-34.bellatlantic.net [207.68.49.34]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA24926; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:28:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004701bffb60$26836240$6401a8c0@tp1480> From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: "David Reid" , "ThinkPad-L" References: <005b01bffb59$06c68d80$fd41b4d8@davidreidmob> Subject: Re: TP Network cards Recomendations? Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:28:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 List-Unsubscribe: You don't mention what model Thinkpad you are using. More recent Thinkpads have Cardbus slots, older models have "plain" PCMCIA (also called PC-CARD) slots. Your manual should tell you what you have. Let me second the motion for a card with the integrated RJ-45 connector (not Xjack). A very desirable feature. jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 9:36 PM Subject: TP Network cards Recomendations? > I need to get a NIC for my TP but not sure what to get I'm looking a the > following here in a pcConnection catalog but don't understand the > differences. > > Linksys with integrated RJ45 port > > EtherFast 10/100 Integrated PC Card 16bit > EtherFast 10/100 Integrated CardBus PC Card > EtherFast 10/100 PCMCIA PC Card 16bit > EtherFast 10/100 CardBus PC Card 32bit > > Perhaps the last two simply don't have the integrated connection for the > RJ45. Anyway, which card is desireable? I don't have a network at home > yet, but have a couple of work locations that I need to be able to "hook up" > to. Standard MS Windows networks. > > Thanks > > dave > From cph Mon Jul 31 22:34:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA15046 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:34:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02596; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:33:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:31:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02451; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:31:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02438; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:31:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:31:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (arc1a273.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.83]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA13918 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008010231.WAA13918@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) localhost from arc1a273.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.83] 209.198.116.83 Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:31:53 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 21:48:44 -0400 To: In-Reply-To: <00db01bffb58$fd8b93a0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 (Unregistered) List-Unsubscribe: In <00db01bffb58$fd8b93a0$0311a8c0@detayls.com>, on 07/31/00 at 06:37 PM, "David W. Taylor" said: >Shut up, John! >That statement is prejudiced in the extreme. I use Windows 2000 day in and >day out and it is very stable, no crashes. Does W2000 come on the 14xx series? It is a distant cousin to W95/98 and from everything you fellows say is much better then W95/98 -- but many of us have days when we do boot W95/97 several times a day -- and it is normal. Its the error recovery method used by Win. >You are making one basic error. You are stuck in time. >You formed an opinion about a version of Windows that was clearly some time >ago. >Windows is fine for a lot of people. It is stable and doesn't crash. >Get over it and stop being a royal pain in the $SS. >David >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Poltorak" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 5:48 PM >Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! >> On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 08:45:24PM -0400, Computer Guru wrote: >> > HI Everyone, >> > >> > I am still having tons of problems with my Thinkpad 1420i laptop. >Just got >> > it back from EZ Serv on Friday, and they had replaced the HDD and the >> > floppy drive for me. >> > >> > Now that I have the unit back, I still have had tons of lock-ups and >> > problems with it. The tech had said that it was all "software related", >> >> This is what Windows users put up with day after day after day. >> >> Just live with it. This is normal. >> >> > Any Ideas?? Please let me know ASAP. >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Jim >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Regards, >> > Computer-Guru >> > pctech@southeast.net >> > ------------------------------------- >> >> -- >> John >> >> >> -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Jul 31 22:44:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id WAA15088 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:44:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03295; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:41:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03122; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03108; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:41:48 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id WAA12929; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:41:46 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id WAA10620; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:41:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000731192717.011e7a00@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka1.com/pop3.iceka1.com@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:37:15 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! In-Reply-To: <20000801022718.G597@eyup.org> References: <4.2.0.58.20000731180615.028a6040@127.0.0.1> <200007312340.TAA20801@my1.m-y.net> <200007312340.TAA20801@my1.m-y.net> <20000801014830.E597@eyup.org> <4.2.0.58.20000731180615.028a6040@127.0.0.1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 02:27 AM 8/1/2000 +0100, you wrote: > > >This is what Windows users put up with day after day after day. > > > > > >Just live with it. This is normal. > > > > Not true. > >Oh, but it is. > >My TP 600 often runs continuously for weeks without any problems at all. So does my T20--and my TP600 before that. You're just too busy tossing rocks. > > But this comment does show that you just can't let it go. > >I am pointing out that Windows is error prone and millions of >users re-boot it several times a day without even thinking twice >about it. Not as stable as OS/2, perhaps. But then again, Windows has other things going for it that OS/2 simply can't touch. Like apps and device support. > > Windows is fine for a lot of people. It is stable and doesn't crash. > >You are saying Windows 2000 is stable and doesn't crash, yet the vast >majority of Windows users are not using Windows 2000 so your comment >is not relevant to the vast majority of Windows users for whom daily >crashes are the norm. If he's guilty of using a current version of Windows as an example, then you are even more guilty of using an old version--probably Win 3.x--as your standard of comparison. Your comment was unnecessary and stupid, particularly after the vast majority of list users made it clear that they weren't interested in continued OS wars. But you just couldn't let it go now, could you?! > ThinkPads are quality laptops and are worth the added >premium and I would always recommend buying one. I would be very >surprised if there was any problems with the hardware, especially >if it has been checked out by a trained techinician who states >that the hardware is sound. You were far too quick to judge, and completely removed from the situation, giving you insufficient data to judge. You were all too eager to jump in and make an asshole-ish remark about the OS you just happen to hate in a situation where it just wasn't even relevant. Get a life already. From cph Mon Jul 31 23:00:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA15167 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:00:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06469; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:58:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:57:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06263; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06244; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:57:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:57:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (arc1a305.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.115]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA12772 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008010257.WAA12772@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) localhost from arc1a305.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.115] 209.198.116.115 Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:57:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:57:10 -0400 To: TP List In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000731192717.011e7a00@127.0.0.1> Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.10a c10 (Unregistered) List-Unsubscribe: In <4.2.0.58.20000731192717.011e7a00@127.0.0.1>, on 07/31/00 at 07:37 PM, Randal Whittle said: Randal, Why must you show up here flaming everytime someone says anything you don't agree with? >At 02:27 AM 8/1/2000 +0100, you wrote: >> > >This is what Windows users put up with day after day after day. >> > > >> > >Just live with it. This is normal. >> > >> > Not true. >> >>Oh, but it is. >> >>My TP 600 often runs continuously for weeks without any problems at all. > So does my T20--and my TP600 before that. You're just too busy >tossing rocks. >> > But this comment does show that you just can't let it go. >> >>I am pointing out that Windows is error prone and millions of >>users re-boot it several times a day without even thinking twice >>about it. > Not as stable as OS/2, perhaps. But then again, Windows has other >things going for it that OS/2 simply can't touch. Like apps and device >support. >> > Windows is fine for a lot of people. It is stable and doesn't crash. >> >>You are saying Windows 2000 is stable and doesn't crash, yet the vast >>majority of Windows users are not using Windows 2000 so your comment >>is not relevant to the vast majority of Windows users for whom daily >>crashes are the norm. > If he's guilty of using a current version of Windows as an example, >then you are even more guilty of using an old version--probably Win 3.x--as >your standard of comparison. > Your comment was unnecessary and stupid, particularly after the >vast majority of list users made it clear that they weren't interested in >continued OS wars. But you just couldn't let it go now, could you?! >> ThinkPads are quality laptops and are worth the added >>premium and I would always recommend buying one. I would be very >>surprised if there was any problems with the hardware, especially >>if it has been checked out by a trained techinician who states >>that the hardware is sound. > You were far too quick to judge, and completely removed from the >situation, giving you insufficient data to judge. You were all too eager to >jump in and make an asshole-ish remark about the OS you just happen to hate >in a situation where it just wasn't even relevant. > Get a life already. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Jul 31 23:00:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA15175 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:00:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06628; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:58:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06353; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:58:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06339; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from trifid.u.arizona.edu (128.196.137.197 -> trifid.U.Arizona.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:58:05 -0400 Received: from cdt660.opt-sci.arizona.edu (uofa719.dakotacom.arizona.edu [150.135.118.211]) by trifid.u.arizona.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA13594 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:58:02 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000731185416.00b21a20@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> X-Sender: stu@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 19:56:41 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Stuart Biggar Subject: Off Topic - was Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! In-Reply-To: <00db01bffb58$fd8b93a0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> References: <200007312340.TAA20801@my1.m-y.net> <20000801014830.E597@eyup.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: It appears that many hold their opinions strongly. I have run various OSs on notebooks (and other machines): DOS of various vintages (from MS and IBM) Windows 3.X OS/2 2.X and Warp 3/4 Windows NT 4 (now with SP6a and various updates) Windows 2000 (with all "updates" short of service pack 1) Linux (Red Hat) 6.? Solaris x86 (Sun), versions 2.5.1, 2.6, 7, and 8 for Intel All have failed at various points on various notebooks, including Windows 2000 and Solaris. Probably depends on drivers mainly if the OS is carefully done. For me, Sun Solaris has been the most reliable but it has very limited hardware support and software support availability for office apps isn't there compared to Windows. However, f you write your own special purpose software, Solaris is a useful OS, even on notebooks, especially if you like reliability. IBM has provided various buggy hardware drivers for my 770E (especially various revs of the video driver for NT4 for the 9397 4 MB chipset). With the flawed driver, the machine crashed hard (only the reset button would work). The current video rev seems OK but I never know what app will tickle a bug (Adobe Acrobat 4 did as did an X-server for NT with the older drivers). Window2 2000 bluescreened on initial install on a newly partitioned (all NTFS 5) hard drive and has blue screened several times since. When it bluescreened, it wasn't responsive to network inputs. I have not installed much of anything other than MS software on Win2000 so I can't blame the crashes on third party software. Win 2000 is on a HD by itself so there isn't any multi-boot nonsense causing the problems. Sun Solaris hasn't really crashed although I have had the console video crash (but networking and remote logins worked fine). I'm not sure there is any "crashproof" OS for your ThinkPad. Nobody seems to build really high quality software including really GOOD hardware drivers. My best first hand experience so far is Sun Solaris on expensive Sun hardware with Sun provided disks (Sun specific firmware so tagged command queueing works right), etc - uptimes usually depend on how long the UPS/AC power system allow or bringing the machine down for new hardware additions/maintenance. Many other big machines are reliable too but notebooks aren't designed for reliability (RAM doesn't even have parity let alone ECC). My experience is that notebook hardware devices and the drivers provided for even mainstream "robust" OSs are not really reliable - things change too fast and the drivers for todays hardware (outdated in a few months) are pushed out the door before they are reliable. Just look at how many revs of the BIOS and video drivers, etc are issued. Something in the bios for my 770E (or Win 2000) is amiss - the HD indicator in my SelectaDock3 doesn't work in Win2000 but does with NT4, Sun Solaris, and PC-DOS 7. It is NOT important but it doesn't work in a configuration that is supposed to work with Windows 2000. Who overlooked something, IBM or MS? Do either care enough to fix it? Probably not. Do I care about the indicator. Not really. However I would like for OSs and the drivers for the OSs to work well enough that I don't have crashes where I lose data when I'm using my computer to run an experiment in the lab or in the field. I haven't found many operating systems meet that reliability goal and support a wide variety of hardware including special interfaces like IEEE-488 (GPIB). Solaris on SPARC hardware does but I haven't found anything on Intel yet (notebook or regular PC). Stuart At 06:37 PM 7/31/00 -0700, you wrote: >Shut up, John! > >That statement is prejudiced in the extreme. I use Windows 2000 day in and >day out and it is very stable, no crashes. > >You are making one basic error. You are stuck in time. > >You formed an opinion about a version of Windows that was clearly some time >ago. > >Windows is fine for a lot of people. It is stable and doesn't crash. > >Get over it and stop being a royal pain in the $SS. > >David > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Poltorak" >To: >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 5:48 PM >Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! > > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 08:45:24PM -0400, Computer Guru wrote: > > > HI Everyone, > > > > > > I am still having tons of problems with my Thinkpad 1420i laptop. >Just got > > > it back from EZ Serv on Friday, and they had replaced the HDD and the > > > floppy drive for me. > > > > > > Now that I have the unit back, I still have had tons of lock-ups and > > > problems with it. The tech had said that it was all "software related", > > > > This is what Windows users put up with day after day after day. > > > > Just live with it. This is normal. > > > > > Any Ideas?? Please let me know ASAP. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > Computer-Guru > > > pctech@southeast.net > > > ------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > John > > > > > > From cph Mon Jul 31 23:23:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA15261 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:23:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08810; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:20:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08641; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:20:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08628; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:20:40 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21914; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA11848; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:20:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00eb01bffb67$cbc71b50$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "John Poltorak" , References: <200007312340.TAA20801@my1.m-y.net> <20000801014830.E597@eyup.org> <00db01bffb58$fd8b93a0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> <20000801024222.H597@eyup.org> Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:23:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Everyone has control of their own destiny. You persist in religious zealotry around an ugly, unloved, unsupported by developers, piece of history. Windows 2000 is available for any and all comers and is a superb piece of software. Get over it and choose an OS for the twenty-first century. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Poltorak" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 6:42 PM Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! > On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 06:37:01PM -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: > > > That statement is prejudiced in the extreme. I use Windows 2000 day in and > > day out and it is very stable, no crashes. > > > > You are making one basic error. You are stuck in time. > > > > You formed an opinion about a version of Windows that was clearly some time > > ago. > > > > Windows is fine for a lot of people. It is stable and doesn't crash. > > You are saying Windows 2000 is stable and doesn't crash, yet the vast > majority of Windows users are not using Windows 2000 so your comment > is not relevant to the vast majority of Windows users for whom daily > crashes are the norm. > > > David > > > > -- > John > > > From cph Mon Jul 31 23:27:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA15275 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:27:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09216; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:25:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:22:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08862; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA08849; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:22:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:22:33 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22756; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA17255; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00f501bffb68$0fb27f30$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , References: <200008010231.WAA13918@pike.sover.net> Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:24:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Probably not but you can upgrade any Win95, Win98 or NT system. MS did a shitty job of explaining to the public what Windows 200 is for. It is a replacement for NT, and Windows on any laptop and 98 on most machines. David ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 6:48 PM Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! > In <00db01bffb58$fd8b93a0$0311a8c0@detayls.com>, on 07/31/00 > at 06:37 PM, "David W. Taylor" said: > > >Shut up, John! > > >That statement is prejudiced in the extreme. I use Windows 2000 day in and > >day out and it is very stable, no crashes. > > Does W2000 come on the 14xx series? It is a distant cousin to W95/98 and from > everything you fellows say is much better then W95/98 -- but many of us have > days when we do boot W95/97 several times a day -- and it is normal. Its the > error recovery method used by Win. > > > >You are making one basic error. You are stuck in time. > > >You formed an opinion about a version of Windows that was clearly some time > >ago. > > >Windows is fine for a lot of people. It is stable and doesn't crash. > > >Get over it and stop being a royal pain in the $SS. > > >David > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "John Poltorak" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 5:48 PM > >Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! > > > >> On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 08:45:24PM -0400, Computer Guru wrote: > >> > HI Everyone, > >> > > >> > I am still having tons of problems with my Thinkpad 1420i laptop. > >Just got > >> > it back from EZ Serv on Friday, and they had replaced the HDD and the > >> > floppy drive for me. > >> > > >> > Now that I have the unit back, I still have had tons of lock-ups and > >> > problems with it. The tech had said that it was all "software related", > >> > >> This is what Windows users put up with day after day after day. > >> > >> Just live with it. This is normal. > >> > >> > Any Ideas?? Please let me know ASAP. > >> > > >> > Thanks, > >> > Jim > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Regards, > >> > Computer-Guru > >> > pctech@southeast.net > >> > ------------------------------------- > >> > >> -- > >> John > >> > >> > >> > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > letoured@sover.net > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > From cph Mon Jul 31 23:29:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA15283 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:29:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09655; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:26:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09474; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:26:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09461; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (207.181.194.95 -> atlas.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:26:54 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by atlas.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07161; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:26:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLACKBIRD (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA12058; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00ff01bffb68$a7e645c0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: , "Stuart Biggar" References: <200007312340.TAA20801@my1.m-y.net> <20000801014830.E597@eyup.org> <4.3.2.7.2.20000731185416.00b21a20@spectra.opt-sci.arizona.edu> Subject: Re: Off Topic - was Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:29:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Did you update to the latest BIOS, when you installed Win2000? It sounds like you have a hardware issue otherwise. There are likely to be more issues with an Upgrade install but you say that you did a clean install. My TP 600, which is a close cousin of the 770 installs using only the stock Windows 2000 CD. All the drivers are on the CD, none are required from IBM. Check your hardware. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stuart Biggar" To: Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 7:56 PM Subject: Off Topic - was Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! > It appears that many hold their opinions strongly. > > I have run various OSs on notebooks (and other machines): > > DOS of various vintages (from MS and IBM) > Windows 3.X > OS/2 2.X and Warp 3/4 > Windows NT 4 (now with SP6a and various updates) > Windows 2000 (with all "updates" short of service pack 1) > Linux (Red Hat) 6.? > Solaris x86 (Sun), versions 2.5.1, 2.6, 7, and 8 for Intel > > All have failed at various points on various notebooks, including > Windows 2000 and Solaris. Probably depends on drivers mainly > if the OS is carefully done. For me, Sun Solaris has been the > most reliable but it has very limited hardware support and software > support availability for office apps isn't there compared to Windows. > However, f you write your own special purpose software, Solaris > is a useful OS, even on notebooks, especially if you like reliability. > > IBM has provided various buggy hardware drivers for my 770E > (especially various revs of the video driver for NT4 for the 9397 > 4 MB chipset). With the flawed driver, the machine crashed > hard (only the reset button would work). The current video rev > seems OK but I never know what app will tickle a bug (Adobe > Acrobat 4 did as did an X-server for NT with the older drivers). > > Window2 2000 bluescreened on initial install on a newly partitioned > (all NTFS 5) hard drive and has blue screened several times since. > When it bluescreened, it wasn't responsive to network inputs. I > have not installed much of anything other than MS software on > Win2000 so I can't blame the crashes on third party software. > Win 2000 is on a HD by itself so there isn't any multi-boot > nonsense causing the problems. > > Sun Solaris hasn't really crashed although I have had the console > video crash (but networking and remote logins worked fine). > > I'm not sure there is any "crashproof" OS for your ThinkPad. Nobody > seems to build really high quality software including really GOOD hardware > drivers. My best first hand experience so far is Sun Solaris on expensive > Sun hardware with Sun provided disks (Sun specific firmware so tagged > command queueing works right), etc - uptimes usually depend on how long > the UPS/AC power system allow or bringing the machine down for new > hardware additions/maintenance. > > Many other big machines are reliable too but notebooks aren't > designed for reliability (RAM doesn't even have parity let alone > ECC). My experience is that notebook hardware devices > and the drivers provided for even mainstream "robust" OSs > are not really reliable - things change too fast and the drivers > for todays hardware (outdated in a few months) are pushed out > the door before they are reliable. Just look at how many revs > of the BIOS and video drivers, etc are issued. Something in > the bios for my 770E (or Win 2000) is amiss - the HD indicator > in my SelectaDock3 doesn't work in Win2000 but does with > NT4, Sun Solaris, and PC-DOS 7. It is NOT important but > it doesn't work in a configuration that is supposed to work with > Windows 2000. Who overlooked something, IBM or MS? > > Do either care enough to fix it? Probably not. Do I care > about the indicator. Not really. However I would like for > OSs and the drivers for the OSs to work well enough that > I don't have crashes where I lose data when I'm using my > computer to run an experiment in the lab or in the field. I > haven't found many operating systems meet that reliability > goal and support a wide variety of hardware including > special interfaces like IEEE-488 (GPIB). Solaris on SPARC > hardware does but I haven't found anything on Intel yet > (notebook or regular PC). > > Stuart > > At 06:37 PM 7/31/00 -0700, you wrote: > >Shut up, John! > > > >That statement is prejudiced in the extreme. I use Windows 2000 day in and > >day out and it is very stable, no crashes. > > > >You are making one basic error. You are stuck in time. > > > >You formed an opinion about a version of Windows that was clearly some time > >ago. > > > >Windows is fine for a lot of people. It is stable and doesn't crash. > > > >Get over it and stop being a royal pain in the $SS. > > > >David > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "John Poltorak" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 5:48 PM > >Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 08:45:24PM -0400, Computer Guru wrote: > > > > HI Everyone, > > > > > > > > I am still having tons of problems with my Thinkpad 1420i laptop. > >Just got > > > > it back from EZ Serv on Friday, and they had replaced the HDD and the > > > > floppy drive for me. > > > > > > > > Now that I have the unit back, I still have had tons of lock-ups and > > > > problems with it. The tech had said that it was all "software related", > > > > > > This is what Windows users put up with day after day after day. > > > > > > Just live with it. This is normal. > > > > > > > Any Ideas?? Please let me know ASAP. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Regards, > > > > Computer-Guru > > > > pctech@southeast.net > > > > ------------------------------------- > > > > > > -- > > > John > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Mon Jul 31 23:55:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id XAA15395 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:55:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12343; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:52:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12188; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:52:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12171; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:52:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:52:19 -0400 Received: from IBM390X (adsl-151-202-18-129.bellatlantic.net [151.202.18.129]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA23330; Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:52:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200008010352.XAA23330@smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net> From: "Philip R. Mann" To: "David W. Taylor" , "John Poltorak" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 23:52:11 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Philip R. Mann" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <00eb01bffb67$cbc71b50$0311a8c0@detayls.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Thinkpad Replacement ASAP!! List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 20:23:00 -0700, David W. Taylor wrote: >Windows 2000 is available for any and all comers If you have the required hardware which is considerably more than most laptops currently in use. ----- PRM -----