From cph Fri Sep 1 01:47:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA11104 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:47:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10803; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:43:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10612; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10599; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.neu.edu (129.10.1.80 -> research.neu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:43:21 -0400 Received: from name.name ([129.10.52.127]) by research.neu.edu with ESMTP id BAA10134; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 01:43:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000901014032.02cd8410@free-music.com> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Ken's Useful eMail Suite v5.1 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 01:42:28 -0400 To: Thinkpad list From: Ken Subject: RE: Memory Compatibility - 770 v. 600x-Fast memory OK on slow machine Cc: Greg Langham , Rob Bell In-Reply-To: <20000831185035.13180.qmail@www0d.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: FYI, memory from the 600x will work on a 770. But, as has been said, not the other way around. - Ken kenzo@free-music.com At 01:50 PM 8/31/00 -0500, Rob Bell wrote: >Doh! What was I thinking? That makes a lot of sense. I guess I won't be >getting that extra 64MB after all... > >Thanks for the info! >Rob > >Greg Langham wrote: > > > Rob, > > > > The 600X is a PIII with a 100 Mhz bus, if I'm not mistaken. The 770's (as > > you know) are PII machines with a 66 MHz bus. If you happened to buy 100 >MHz > > memory for your 770, then it might work in the 600X (not sure on this), but > > not vice versa. From cph Fri Sep 1 03:25:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA11367 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 03:25:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15459; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 03:20:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 03:17:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15006; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 03:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14991; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 03:17:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 03:17:38 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-28.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.28]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA04601 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:17:36 +0300 Message-Id: <200009010717.KAA04601@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:17:41 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 72-pin SODIMM (ThinkPad 701) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone knows which other popular brands/models take the 72-pin SODIMM found in the ThinkPad 701? I have a redundant 16 MB I'm trying to get rid off locally and I'd like to advertise compatibility (if any) with other models than the 701. Thanks, Dominique -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Dominique Pivard Kirkkonummi, Finland ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Sep 1 03:28:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA11374 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 03:28:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16058; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 03:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 03:25:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15868; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 03:25:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15854; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 03:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (129.250.36.41 -> dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 03:25:21 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13UlCR-0000vv-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 07:25:19 +0000 Received: from [63.108.55.44] (helo=THINKPAD) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13UlCR-0006ar-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 07:25:19 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 72-pin SODIMM (ThinkPad 701) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 02:23:56 -0500 Message-ID: <3cmuqsonn62dq7n5he0aetbafi9rk5fved@4ax.com> References: <200009010717.KAA04601@mail.clinet.fi> In-Reply-To: <200009010717.KAA04601@mail.clinet.fi> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA11375 On Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:17:41 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >Does anyone knows which other popular brands/models take the 72-pin SODIMM >found in the ThinkPad 701? Can you tell me how much 32mb costs for the 701 and where to purchase? I'm not sure what the memory type SODIMM is ... first time I've seen it. Thanks. -jts From cph Fri Sep 1 04:52:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA11617 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:52:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22305; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:51:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:49:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22146; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA22132; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 04:49:47 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-23.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.23]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA27142 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:49:29 +0300 Message-Id: <200009010849.LAA27142@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:49:35 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3cmuqsonn62dq7n5he0aetbafi9rk5fved@4ax.com> Subject: Re: 72-pin SODIMM (ThinkPad 701) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: >On Fri, 01 Sep 2000 10:17:41 +0300, Dominique Pivard >wrote: >>Does anyone knows which other popular brands/models take the 72-pin SODIMM >>found in the ThinkPad 701? >Can you tell me how much 32mb costs for the 701 and where to purchase? >I'm not sure what the memory type SODIMM is ... first time I've seen it. SODIMM is Small Outline Dual Inline Memory Module. See a picture of it at: http://www.crucial.com/MemType/sodimm.asp?model=ThinkPad+701C I bought my 32MB from www.coastmemory.com. I think I paid about $80 for it. If anyone is interested in a 16MB, I'm selling it real cheap ($15). 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From cph Fri Sep 1 10:47:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA13118 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:47:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18591; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:43:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18413; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:43:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18399; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:43:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:43:27 -0400 Received: from tk-laptop (tk-laptop.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.38]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA09462 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 17:42:35 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009011442.RAA09462@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "Thinkpad" Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 17:43:01 +0300 Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.90.3000) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Windows ME; problems List-Unsubscribe: Hi there. 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I'd appreciate it very much, thanks, -turgut ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Fri Sep 1 11:22:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA13393 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:22:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22182; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:20:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:19:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21939; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:19:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21926; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.147.1.143 -> chmls05.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:18:59 -0400 Received: from laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA25554 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:18:57 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:19:05 -0400 Message-ID: <002101c01427$f773dee0$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I have a friend who is considering buying a 760, primarily for word processing but I'm sure he'll have other uses for it. Is this model, with which I'm unfamiliar, a good one? Are there variations in the 760 line that we should know about - different model letters? They certainly seem to be selling cheaply on ebay, and the money is a serious consideration for him. Thanks very much -- Jeff From cph Fri Sep 1 11:30:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA13488 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:30:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23086; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:26:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22855; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:26:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22842; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fw1.uhc.com (168.183.16.135 -> gw.uhc.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:26:37 -0400 Received: from fw1.uhc.com (root@localhost) by fw1.uhc.com with ESMTP id KAA24548 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:26:36 -0500 (CDT) Received: from dts-jl (DTS_JL.uhc.com [10.145.185.103]) by fw1.uhc.com with SMTP id KAA24532 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:26:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000901112328.0158b2d0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:23:28 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? In-Reply-To: <002101c01427$f773dee0$0200a8c0@laptop> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 11:19 AM 09/01/2000 -0400, Jeffrey Baker wrote: >I have a friend who is considering buying a 760, primarily for word >processing but I'm sure he'll have other uses for it. Is this model, with >which I'm unfamiliar, a good one? Are there variations in the 760 line that >we should know about - different model letters? They certainly seem to be >selling cheaply on ebay, and the money is a serious consideration for him. > There are a number of different models in the 760 series. Without knowing the part number, price and configuration, it's hard to answer your question. From cph Fri Sep 1 11:35:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA13540 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:35:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23948; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:34:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:32:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23634; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:32:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23601; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:32:15 -0400 Received: from denhall (tc2hwl-007.ismi.net [207.51.197.62]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA24566; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006301c0142a$b63e6be0$3ec533cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "Jeffrey Baker" , Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:38:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Jeff, your friend certainly can get a nice affordable ThinkPad to suit his needs.... The following is based entirely on my personal experience with ThinkPads....and I'm sure you'll get other great input from ThinkPad list members... For pure word processing, I find the keyboards on the 700 series ThinkPads to be the best made to date.... they have great feel, are forgiving yet accurate, and the full keyboard size makes no compromises. 760 style keyboards are not as good (feel or accuracy) as the 755 series, and I think finding a good keyboard on 760 series is tougher , since they do wear out much easier than 755's....still, the 760's can be very enjoyable if you have a good one... Another great keyboard is the 560 series, which is also extremely thin and lightweight. Again, finding a GOOD unit is the key here. The combination of lightweight, and the excellent battery life of the 560's is another plus for those who like to do wordprocessing... One big thing the 760 series has going for it is the great availability of parts and upgrades, and the ease of swapping devices. It's a tremendous value.... Feel free to contact me directly if you have specific model questions... because to answer one of your questions, YES -- there are large variations within the 760 series family which I recommend you become familiar with .... I'll stop here and let others keep crankin' with info.... Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Baker To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:21 AM Subject: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? >I have a friend who is considering buying a 760, primarily for word >processing but I'm sure he'll have other uses for it. Is this model, with >which I'm unfamiliar, a good one? Are there variations in the 760 line that >we should know about - different model letters? They certainly seem to be >selling cheaply on ebay, and the money is a serious consideration for him. >Thanks very much -- Jeff > From cph Fri Sep 1 12:02:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA13782 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:02:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27430; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:59:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27151; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ERC.MsState.Edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27124; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ERC.MsState.Edu (130.18.14.12 -> Sniper.ERC.MsState.Edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:59:36 -0400 Received: from tp600e (Dhcp9.ERC.MsState.Edu [130.18.13.158]); by ERC.MsState.Edu (8.9.3/8.9.2/ERC-Mailhost/1.10) with SMTP; id KAA09185 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:59:35 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <018201c0142e$3a2358a0$9e0d1282@tp600e> From: "See-Kit Lam" To: Subject: TP600E: FN+F3 Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 11:03:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_017F_01C01404.5131D960" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_017F_01C01404.5131D960 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi..... FN+F3 to shut off the LCD display is not working in TP600E = with W2K.=20 is there any way to get this function back? thanks. seekit ------=_NextPart_000_017F_01C01404.5131D960 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_017F_01C01404.5131D960-- From cph Fri Sep 1 12:46:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA14101 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:46:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02689; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:42:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02411; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02391; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.1 -> sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:42:25 -0400 Received: (qmail 13547 invoked by alias); 1 Sep 2000 16:42:22 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 13528 invoked by uid 0); 1 Sep 2000 16:42:21 -0000 Received: from dialupw160.sttl.uswest.net (HELO sfupc) (216.160.86.160) by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 1 Sep 2000 16:42:21 -0000 Message-ID: <005c01c014fc$5f7cc360$a056a0d8@triumf.ca> From: "p machule" To: "Jeffrey Baker" , References: <002101c01427$f773dee0$0200a8c0@laptop> Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:39:31 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Go to ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/ grap the file twbook.pdf It list all withdrawn Thinkpads including the 760 series . IBM made over 20 variations on that model and you NEED Rogers wonderful doc to fiure out which one is which . The 760XL' s are very decent and don't suffer from the "Mwave frustration " ;-} Easily found for $500 'ish in good shape. ..peter.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeffrey Baker To: Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 8:19 AM Subject: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? > I have a friend who is considering buying a 760, primarily for word > processing but I'm sure he'll have other uses for it. Is this model, with > which I'm unfamiliar, a good one? Are there variations in the 760 line that > we should know about - different model letters? They certainly seem to be > selling cheaply on ebay, and the money is a serious consideration for him. > Thanks very much -- Jeff > From cph Fri Sep 1 13:50:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14564 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:50:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12602; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:47:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12209; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12184; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 13:47:41 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-113.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.113]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.2) with ESMTP id e81HlaO24491; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 10:47:36 -0700 Message-ID: <39AFEBB2.1CCDC584@mail.orion.org> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:47:30 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeffrey Baker CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? References: <002101c01427$f773dee0$0200a8c0@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jeffrey Baker wrote: > > I have a friend who is considering buying a 760, primarily for word > processing but I'm sure he'll have other uses for it. Is this model, with > which I'm unfamiliar, a good one? Are there variations in the 760 line that > we should know about - different model letters? They certainly seem to be > selling cheaply on ebay, and the money is a serious consideration for him. > Thanks very much -- Jeff I bought a 760ED for $148 on Ebay, they certainly are a good buy. I would recommend one with 12.1 TFT. All the 760-series has the 12.1 except for the 760L. The 760C/CD is usually 120MHz, EL/ED are usually 133MHz, XL/XD are usually 166MHz. Only drawback to them (IMO) is size, weight, and heat. They're big and bulky, the 760ED is almost twice as thick as my 560X. It weighs probably 7 or 8lbs. It also generates enough heat that it can get extremely uncomfortable sitting on my lap. If the ability to add an internal CD-ROM drive or floppy is not important, I would highly recommend looking at one of the 560-series. I love my 560X, it is easy to carry, only a little over 1" thick when closed, and only weighs 4lbs. Only drawback is that it has no internal removable media, the floppy is external. Fortunately I'm tied into a wireless network so I really have no use for removable media. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Sep 1 14:13:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA14750 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:13:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15128; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:10:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14888; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:10:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14869; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (209.187.11.98 -> nyc-28-h-98.nyc.dsl.cerfnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:10:10 -0400 Received: from miles (dhcp67.int.networktest.com [10.0.0.67]) by coppi.networktest.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA03316 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:15:09 -0500 From: "David Newman" To: Subject: 760 keyboards (was: a good used computer?) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:10:30 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <006301c0142a$b63e6be0$3ec533cf@denhall> List-Unsubscribe: > For pure word processing, I find the keyboards on the 700 series ThinkPads > to be the best made to date.... they have great feel, are forgiving yet > accurate, and the full keyboard size makes no compromises. > 760 style keyboards are not as good (feel or accuracy) as the 755 series, > and I think finding a good keyboard on 760 series is tougher , > since they do > wear out much easier than 755's....still, the 760's can be very > enjoyable if > you have a good one... I agree with these comments. My five-year-old 760C still runs great and from the prices I've seen ($400-$700) they're a good value. However, the keyboard *is* a problem -- I can barely move the keys on mine anymore. Anyone have any info on repairing/replacing 760 keyboards? TIA dn From cph Fri Sep 1 14:43:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA14975 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:43:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18582; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:39:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18292; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18274; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:39:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:39:36 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13Uviv-0001Oe-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:39:33 +0000 Received: from [63.64.41.241] (helo=THINKPAD) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13Uviu-0004WP-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 18:39:33 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 72-pin SODIMM (ThinkPad 701) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:38:09 -0500 Message-ID: References: <3cmuqsonn62dq7n5he0aetbafi9rk5fved@4ax.com> <200009010849.LAA27142@mail.clinet.fi> In-Reply-To: <200009010849.LAA27142@mail.clinet.fi> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA14976 On Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:49:35 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >If anyone is interested in a 16MB, I'm selling it real cheap ($15). It >really hurts to remember I paid more than $600 for it back in early '96 >:-) Since pain loves company I paid $900 for a 16mb Toshiba memory card for a T4400SX in '92-3!!! Ouch! -jts From cph Fri Sep 1 15:10:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA15245 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:10:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21722; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:09:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:07:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21409; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:07:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww185.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21396; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:07:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww185.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.85 -> ww185.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:07:19 -0400 Received: (qmail 25270 invoked by uid 60001); 1 Sep 2000 19:07:13 -0000 Message-ID: <20000901190713.25269.qmail@ww185.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.85 by ww185 for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Fri Sep 1 19:07:13 GMT 2000 Date: 1 Sep 00 14:07:13 CDT From: Rob Bell To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA15246 Having been a 760EL user for several years I just have to offer a slight correction. Many other 760 models, such as the 760EL came with the 11.3" screen, not just the 'L'. That was a pretty dim screen compared to the 13.3" and larger active matrix screens on 600s and 770s (and newer). Also, many 760ELs are 120MHz too. While a pretty thick laptop, they are a fair amount smaller in footprint and slightly thinner than a 770. It's a good PC if you're running Win95 and Office 95. I wouldn't think it would be very fun to run Win98 or later on one. With the older software it has reasonable power for web browsing, word processing, etc. I even used one for Cold Fusion web development for a while. Makes a big difference to bump up the RAM. Base models had probably 24MB, but with 96MB it runs a lot better. Rob "Shawn R. Lin" wrote: > > I bought a 760ED for $148 on Ebay, they certainly are a good buy. > I would recommend one with 12.1 TFT. All the 760-series has the 12.1 > except for the 760L. > The 760C/CD is usually 120MHz, EL/ED are usually 133MHz, XL/XD are > usually 166MHz. > > Only drawback to them (IMO) is size, weight, and heat. They're big and > bulky, the 760ED is almost twice as thick as my 560X. It weighs > probably 7 or 8lbs. It also generates enough heat that it can get > extremely uncomfortable sitting on my lap. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Fri Sep 1 15:14:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA15304 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:14:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22486; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:12:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22205; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22192; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oberon.dnai.com (207.181.194.97 -> oberon.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:12:24 -0400 Received: from neptune.dnai.com (neptune.dnai.com [207.181.194.93]) by oberon.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA41635; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BlackBird (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by neptune.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA75830; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000d01c01449$2a6f9de0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "John Small" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <3cmuqsonn62dq7n5he0aetbafi9rk5fved@4ax.com> <200009010849.LAA27142@mail.clinet.fi> Subject: Re: 72-pin SODIMM (ThinkPad 701) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 12:16:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: In the same spirit of "mine is bigger than yours", I was thrilled to pay over $1,000 for a 6 megabyte upgrade to take my Mac II from 2 mb to 8mb in 1989. Awesome! David ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Small" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:38 AM Subject: Re: 72-pin SODIMM (ThinkPad 701) > On Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:49:35 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: > > >If anyone is interested in a 16MB, I'm selling it real cheap ($15). It > >really hurts to remember I paid more than $600 for it back in early '96 > >:-) > > Since pain loves company I paid $900 for a 16mb Toshiba memory card for a > T4400SX in '92-3!!! Ouch! > > -jts > > From cph Fri Sep 1 15:25:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA15464 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:25:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23592; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:23:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23422; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lancaster.goamerica.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23408; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lancaster.goamerica.net (206.138.237.251 -> lancaster.goamerica.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:23:10 -0400 Received: from dragon.goamerica.net (dragon.goamerica.net [206.138.237.234]) by lancaster.goamerica.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA24849 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:22:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ThinkBaby ([209.26.104.215]) by dragon.goamerica.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA25099 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:22:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003c01c01449$fe424d20$6300a8c0@ThinkBaby> From: "Rob White" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <3cmuqsonn62dq7n5he0aetbafi9rk5fved@4ax.com> <200009010849.LAA27142@mail.clinet.fi> <000d01c01449$2a6f9de0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> Subject: Re: 72-pin SODIMM (ThinkPad 701) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:22:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: HA!!!! How about 1987 paying $13,000.00 for a Compaq Portable III lunchbox with 64K of RAM and a 30 meg HD. THEN, $1500.00 to add 192K for a total of 256K and another $1500.00 for a card to display 16 colors onto a composite monitor... If you think that is something, I could tell you about the Digital (DEC) Rainbow in 1983. You would need a seatbelt for that story. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David W. Taylor" To: "John Small" ; "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 3:16 PM Subject: Re: 72-pin SODIMM (ThinkPad 701) > In the same spirit of "mine is bigger than yours", I was thrilled to pay > over $1,000 for a 6 megabyte upgrade to take my Mac II from 2 mb to 8mb in > 1989. > > Awesome! > > David > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Small" > To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" > Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:38 AM > Subject: Re: 72-pin SODIMM (ThinkPad 701) > > > > On Fri, 01 Sep 2000 11:49:35 +0300, Dominique Pivard > wrote: > > > > >If anyone is interested in a 16MB, I'm selling it real cheap ($15). It > > >really hurts to remember I paid more than $600 for it back in early '96 > > >:-) > > > > Since pain loves company I paid $900 for a 16mb Toshiba memory card for a > > T4400SX in '92-3!!! Ouch! > > > > -jts > > > > > > From cph Fri Sep 1 15:40:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA15641 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:40:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAB25271; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:37:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25077; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25060; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iso.net (208.154.252.26 -> mail.iso.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:37:42 -0400 Received: from iso.net ([208.154.252.96]) by mail.iso.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA39610 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:35:42 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from wvantuyl@iso.net) Message-ID: <39B021A4.C5E41B1B@iso.net> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:37:40 -0700 From: William Van Tuyl Reply-To: wvantuyl@iso.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en,pdf MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 72-pin SODIMM (ThinkPad 701) References: <3cmuqsonn62dq7n5he0aetbafi9rk5fved@4ax.com> <200009010849.LAA27142@mail.clinet.fi> <000d01c01449$2a6f9de0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> <003c01c01449$fe424d20$6300a8c0@ThinkBaby> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Oh this is fun! How about paying just over $1200 for a Sanyo MBC-555 in 1984 (when the IBM PC was going for 3-4 times that.) It had MS-DOS "compatibility", 2 - 180K floppy drives, 64K memory, proprietary video, and other limitations. I put in a hard drive with an add-in board that cost over $200. And I modified the heck out of it. Such fun. Then last year I bought a second one on eBay (and actually a slightly better one) for ----- -------- $1.00 ------- just to say that I had. The "new" one joined the old one in a box for my later years when I loose almost all memory of Windows, etc. A play toy for the mentally aged. They are a pretty silver and should keep me riveted. I probably won't notice my drool! Bill From cph Fri Sep 1 16:31:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA16070 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:31:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00204; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:31:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:29:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29926; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:29:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29910; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:29:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 16:29:20 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.164] (helo=139-142-112-164.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13UxQJ-000BFG-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:28:27 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Help! I did a Dumb Thing Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:06:25 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <000701c00e23$565f3c20$8df0163f@oemcomputer> <002501c013ab$9a64b340$b3f67ad1@default> Lines: 19 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: >1) is there a way to transfer my files to another machine WITH long >filenames? DOSLFNBK Version 1.6 is freeware. Version 2.? is shareware. Simtel among many many places should have it. This will back up your long file names on machine A (...) and restore them on machine B. Or restore them after you've transferred back. -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Fri Sep 1 19:06:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA17404 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:06:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14052; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:04:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13773; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13760; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:04:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:04:01 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.0.181]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000901230359.RXEF13787.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:03:59 +0000 Message-ID: <39B03648.412F@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 19:05:44 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? References: <20000901190713.25269.qmail@ww185.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Awright, gotta throw in my two cents on this one... I have an old 760CD P120 that my 9 year old was using. I got a cable modem. I hooked it up to that machine, it was WAT too slow to use with a cable modem, even with 56MB RAM. The old ISA bus machine just does not have the horse power to keep up with taht kind of speed. So, I hooked up a 760EL P133 (which IS a PCI bus. With 48 MB RAM, it works GREAT for browsing. All the P133 and up 760 machines are more than adequate for most tasks, even the 760E P120 is a good one, as it is PCI bus. Rob Bell wrote: > > Having been a 760EL user for several years I just have to offer a slight > correction. Many other 760 models, such as the 760EL came with the 11.3" > screen, not just the 'L'. That was a pretty dim screen compared to the 13.3" > and larger active matrix screens on 600s and 770s (and newer). Also, many > 760ELs are 120MHz too. While a pretty thick laptop, they are a fair amount > smaller in footprint and slightly thinner than a 770. > > It's a good PC if you're running Win95 and Office 95. I wouldn't think it > would be very fun to run Win98 or later on one. With the older software it > has reasonable power for web browsing, word processing, etc. I even used one > for Cold Fusion web development for a while. Makes a big difference to bump > up the RAM. Base models had probably 24MB, but with 96MB it runs a lot > better. > > Rob > > "Shawn R. Lin" wrote: > > > > I bought a 760ED for $148 on Ebay, they certainly are a good buy. > > I would recommend one with 12.1 TFT. All the 760-series has the 12.1 > > except for the 760L. > > The 760C/CD is usually 120MHz, EL/ED are usually 133MHz, XL/XD are > > usually 166MHz. > > > > Only drawback to them (IMO) is size, weight, and heat. They're big and > > bulky, the 760ED is almost twice as thick as my 560X. It weighs > > probably 7 or 8lbs. It also generates enough heat that it can get > > extremely uncomfortable sitting on my lap. > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Fri Sep 1 19:16:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA17466 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:16:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15267; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:14:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14948; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot06.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA14935; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:14:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot06.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.26 -> pilot06.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:14:54 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm451-18.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.76]) by pilot06.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e81NEix148902; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:14:44 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000901190816.01d38d80@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 19:14:38 -0400 To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net, Rob Bell From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <39B03648.412F@worldnet.att.net> References: <20000901190713.25269.qmail@ww185.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Bruce, I don't doubt that it didn't work for you, but I wonder if there was a bottleneck there that might not have been obvious--I don't know, I'm just wondering out loud. I have seen 386 boxes running FreeBSD route tractional T1's (like 768K) without a hitch, so passing packets isn't that much of a task. Your 120MHz Pentium is far more capable, so I wonder if you didn't have a problem with the net connection to the ThinkPad. How did you do it? How fast was/is the net connection? This is a little more than purely academic interest, as I have some faculty with older ThinkPads and I'm sure at least one of them is going to want to do this. I was starting to think of a 760 for my daughter who is laptop crazed right now, but if it can't handle an ethernet, she'll be less interested. Thanks for any input you can give. --STeve Andre' At 07:05 PM 9/1/00 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: >Awright, gotta throw in my two cents on this one... >I have an old 760CD P120 that my 9 year old was using. I got a cable >modem. I hooked it up to that machine, it was WAT too slow to use with a >cable modem, even with 56MB RAM. The old ISA bus machine just does not >have the horse power to keep up with taht kind of speed. >So, I hooked up a 760EL P133 (which IS a PCI bus. With 48 MB RAM, it >works GREAT for browsing. All the P133 and up 760 machines are more than >adequate for most tasks, even the 760E P120 is a good one, as it is PCI >bus. > >Rob Bell wrote: > > > > Having been a 760EL user for several years I just have to offer a slight > > correction. Many other 760 models, such as the 760EL came with the 11.3" > > screen, not just the 'L'. That was a pretty dim screen compared to the > 13.3" > > and larger active matrix screens on 600s and 770s (and newer). Also, many > > 760ELs are 120MHz too. While a pretty thick laptop, they are a fair amount > > smaller in footprint and slightly thinner than a 770. > > > > It's a good PC if you're running Win95 and Office 95. I wouldn't think it > > would be very fun to run Win98 or later on one. With the older software it > > has reasonable power for web browsing, word processing, etc. I even > used one > > for Cold Fusion web development for a while. Makes a big difference to > bump > > up the RAM. Base models had probably 24MB, but with 96MB it runs a lot > > better. > > > > Rob > > > > "Shawn R. Lin" wrote: > > > > > > I bought a 760ED for $148 on Ebay, they certainly are a good buy. > > > I would recommend one with 12.1 TFT. All the 760-series has the 12.1 > > > except for the 760L. > > > The 760C/CD is usually 120MHz, EL/ED are usually 133MHz, XL/XD are > > > usually 166MHz. > > > > > > Only drawback to them (IMO) is size, weight, and heat. They're big and > > > bulky, the 760ED is almost twice as thick as my 560X. It weighs > > > probably 7 or 8lbs. It also generates enough heat that it can get > > > extremely uncomfortable sitting on my lap. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at > http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Fri Sep 1 19:17:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA17479 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:17:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15490; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:15:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15144; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15129; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (24.92.226.81 -> mailout1-0.nyroc.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:15:41 -0400 Received: from dynamocomputers.com (syr-24-169-74-87.twcny.rr.com [24.169.74.87]) by mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA00526 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:12:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39B0396D.EEEF2A00@dynamocomputers.com> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 19:19:09 -0400 From: Pete Hatton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Wireless LAN Entry on 570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I am trying to use a IBM Wireless Lan Entry Card on my 570, but when I try to start the driver windows gives me the Blue screen. after restarting the system the card shows up in the system panel saying it failed while loading and will no longer attempt to load the driver for this card. this is the only system I am having problems making this card work it, it is working fine in a 560, and a desktop system with PCMCIA. From cph Fri Sep 1 19:19:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA17488 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:19:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15948; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:17:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15748; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15722; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:17:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:17:54 -0400 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.27]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000901231753.PNQN15332.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:17:53 +0000 Received: from [24.189.193.217] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Fri, 01 Sep 2000 23:17:51 +0000 To: "STeve Andre'" Cc: scosgt@worldnet.att.net, Rob Bell , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 23:17:51 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: scosgt@att.net Message-Id: <20000901231753.PNQN15332.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: The video on the 760CD was just too slow. The cable modem is around 500KBS or faster, just too much time waiting for the screen to draw, when the data is already on hand. I simply took it off of the Dock 2, which has the ISA ethernet card installed, and replaced it with a 760EL P133 (with less RAM). Works like a charm. The old ISA bus is just too slow video wise. I do think a P120 760E would work fine - the PCI video is MUCH faster. > Bruce, I don't doubt that it didn't work for you, but I wonder if there was a > bottleneck there that might not have been obvious--I don't know, I'm just > wondering out loud. I have seen 386 boxes running FreeBSD route > tractional T1's (like 768K) without a hitch, so passing packets isn't that > much of a task. Your 120MHz Pentium is far more capable, so I wonder > if you didn't have a problem with the net connection to the ThinkPad. > How did you do it? How fast was/is the net connection? > > This is a little more than purely academic interest, as I have some faculty > with older ThinkPads and I'm sure at least one of them is going to want to > do this. I was starting to think of a 760 for my daughter who is laptop > crazed right now, but if it can't handle an ethernet, she'll be less > interested. > > Thanks for any input you can give. > > --STeve Andre' > > At 07:05 PM 9/1/00 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > >Awright, gotta throw in my two cents on this one... > >I have an old 760CD P120 that my 9 year old was using. I got a cable > >modem. I hooked it up to that machine, it was WAT too slow to use with a > >cable modem, even with 56MB RAM. The old ISA bus machine just does not > >have the horse power to keep up with taht kind of speed. > >So, I hooked up a 760EL P133 (which IS a PCI bus. With 48 MB RAM, it > >works GREAT for browsing. All the P133 and up 760 machines are more than > >adequate for most tasks, even the 760E P120 is a good one, as it is PCI > >bus. > > > >Rob Bell wrote: > > > > > > Having been a 760EL user for several years I just have to offer a slight > > > correction. Many other 760 models, such as the 760EL came with the 11.3" > > > screen, not just the 'L'. That was a pretty dim screen compared to the > > 13.3" > > > and larger active matrix screens on 600s and 770s (and newer). Also, many > > > 760ELs are 120MHz too. While a pretty thick laptop, they are a fair amount > > > smaller in footprint and slightly thinner than a 770. > > > > > > It's a good PC if you're running Win95 and Office 95. I wouldn't think it > > > would be very fun to run Win98 or later on one. With the older software it > > > has reasonable power for web browsing, word processing, etc. I even > > used one > > > for Cold Fusion web development for a while. Makes a big difference to > > bump > > > up the RAM. Base models had probably 24MB, but with 96MB it runs a lot > > > better. > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > "Shawn R. Lin" wrote: > > > > > > > > I bought a 760ED for $148 on Ebay, they certainly are a good buy. > > > > I would recommend one with 12.1 TFT. All the 760-series has the 12.1 > > > > except for the 760L. > > > > The 760C/CD is usually 120MHz, EL/ED are usually 133MHz, XL/XD are > > > > usually 166MHz. > > > > > > > > Only drawback to them (IMO) is size, weight, and heat. They're big and > > > > bulky, the 760ED is almost twice as thick as my 560X. It weighs > > > > probably 7 or 8lbs. It also generates enough heat that it can get > > > > extremely uncomfortable sitting on my lap. > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at > > http://home.netscape.com/webmail > From cph Fri Sep 1 19:23:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA17541 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:23:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16933; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:21:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16585; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:21:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16565; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:21:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (24.92.226.146 -> mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:21:32 -0400 Received: from dynamocomputers.com (syr-24-169-74-87.twcny.rr.com [24.169.74.87]) by mailout1-1.nyroc.rr.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA01078 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:18:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39B03ACF.A29C1E19@dynamocomputers.com> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 19:25:03 -0400 From: Pete Hatton X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Wireless LAN Entry on 570 References: <39B0396D.EEEF2A00@dynamocomputers.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Forgot to mention I'm using Windows 98SE Pete Hatton wrote: > > I am trying to use a IBM Wireless Lan Entry Card on my 570, but when I > try to start the driver windows gives me the Blue screen. after > restarting the system the card shows up in the system panel saying it > failed while loading and will no longer attempt to load the driver for > this card. this is the only system I am having problems making this > card work it, it is working fine in a 560, and a desktop system with > PCMCIA. From cph Fri Sep 1 19:23:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA17545 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:23:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA17023; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:23:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:21:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16640; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot05.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16623; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot05.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.25 -> pilot05.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:21:42 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm451-18.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.76]) by pilot05.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e81NLc679084 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 19:21:38 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000901191940.01d37cb0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 19:21:33 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? In-Reply-To: <20000901231753.PNQN15332.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@webmai l.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Ah...... I had not thought of that, at all. Yes the PCI buss would be faster, apparently faster enough to solve that kind of problem. Thanks for that--I'll add it to my knowledge of TP's. I really love this list... --STeve Andre' At 11:17 PM 9/1/00 +0000, scosgt@att.net wrote: >The video on the 760CD was just too slow. The cable >modem is around 500KBS or faster, just too much time >waiting for the screen to draw, when the data is already >on hand. I simply took it off of the Dock 2, which has >the ISA ethernet card installed, and replaced it with a >760EL P133 (with less RAM). Works like a charm. The old >ISA bus is just too slow video wise. >I do think a P120 760E would work fine - the PCI video >is MUCH faster. > > Bruce, I don't doubt that it didn't work for you, but I wonder if there > was a > > bottleneck there that might not have been obvious--I don't know, I'm just > > wondering out loud. I have seen 386 boxes running FreeBSD route > > tractional T1's (like 768K) without a hitch, so passing packets isn't that > > much of a task. Your 120MHz Pentium is far more capable, so I wonder > > if you didn't have a problem with the net connection to the ThinkPad. > > How did you do it? How fast was/is the net connection? > > > > This is a little more than purely academic interest, as I have some faculty > > with older ThinkPads and I'm sure at least one of them is going to want to > > do this. I was starting to think of a 760 for my daughter who is laptop > > crazed right now, but if it can't handle an ethernet, she'll be less > > interested. > > > > Thanks for any input you can give. > > > > --STeve Andre' > > > > At 07:05 PM 9/1/00 -0400, Bruce Markowitz wrote: > > >Awright, gotta throw in my two cents on this one... > > >I have an old 760CD P120 that my 9 year old was using. I got a cable > > >modem. I hooked it up to that machine, it was WAT too slow to use with a > > >cable modem, even with 56MB RAM. The old ISA bus machine just does not > > >have the horse power to keep up with taht kind of speed. > > >So, I hooked up a 760EL P133 (which IS a PCI bus. With 48 MB RAM, it > > >works GREAT for browsing. All the P133 and up 760 machines are more than > > >adequate for most tasks, even the 760E P120 is a good one, as it is PCI > > >bus. > > > > > >Rob Bell wrote: > > > > > > > > Having been a 760EL user for several years I just have to offer a > slight > > > > correction. Many other 760 models, such as the 760EL came with the > 11.3" > > > > screen, not just the 'L'. That was a pretty dim screen compared to > the > > > 13.3" > > > > and larger active matrix screens on 600s and 770s (and > newer). Also, many > > > > 760ELs are 120MHz too. While a pretty thick laptop, they are a > fair amount > > > > smaller in footprint and slightly thinner than a 770. > > > > > > > > It's a good PC if you're running Win95 and Office 95. I wouldn't > think it > > > > would be very fun to run Win98 or later on one. With the older > software it > > > > has reasonable power for web browsing, word processing, etc. I even > > > used one > > > > for Cold Fusion web development for a while. Makes a big > difference to > > > bump > > > > up the RAM. Base models had probably 24MB, but with 96MB it runs a lot > > > > better. > > > > > > > > Rob > > > > > > > > "Shawn R. Lin" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I bought a 760ED for $148 on Ebay, they certainly are a good buy. > > > > > I would recommend one with 12.1 TFT. All the 760-series has the 12.1 > > > > > except for the 760L. > > > > > The 760C/CD is usually 120MHz, EL/ED are usually 133MHz, XL/XD are > > > > > usually 166MHz. > > > > > > > > > > Only drawback to them (IMO) is size, weight, and heat. They're > big and > > > > > bulky, the 760ED is almost twice as thick as my 560X. It weighs > > > > > probably 7 or 8lbs. It also generates enough heat that it can get > > > > > extremely uncomfortable sitting on my lap. > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at > > > http://home.netscape.com/webmail > > From cph Fri Sep 1 21:45:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA18207 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:45:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24431; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:42:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24246; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24233; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:42:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:42:43 -0400 Received: from user-37ka0n3.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37ka0n3.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.2.227]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA25543; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009020142.VAA25543@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Jeffrey Baker" , "Shawn R. Lin" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 21:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <39AFEBB2.1CCDC584@mail.orion.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? List-Unsubscribe: IBM offers a rubber "heat pad" that helps the 760's considerably. On Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:47:30 -0500, Shawn R. Lin wrote: >Only drawback to them (IMO) is size, weight, and heat. They're big and >bulky, the 760ED is almost twice as thick as my 560X. It weighs >probably 7 or 8lbs. It also generates enough heat that it can get >extremely uncomfortable sitting on my lap. From cph Fri Sep 1 21:50:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA18230 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:50:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25081; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:50:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:49:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24863; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:49:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24845; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:49:01 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-106.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.106]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.2) with ESMTP id e821moO14513; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:48:51 -0700 Message-ID: <39B05C67.4DC8D8CD@mail.orion.org> Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 20:48:23 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Allan Ballard CC: Jeffrey Baker , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? References: <200009020142.VAA25543@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Allan Ballard wrote: > > IBM offers a rubber "heat pad" that helps the 760's > considerably. > > On Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:47:30 -0500, Shawn R. Lin wrote: > > >Only drawback to them (IMO) is size, weight, and heat. They're big and > >bulky, the 760ED is almost twice as thick as my 560X. It weighs > >probably 7 or 8lbs. It also generates enough heat that it can get > >extremely uncomfortable sitting on my lap. Yeah, I know, my 760ED *does* have the heat pad and it STILL gets extremely hot! Oh well, I bought it for my girlfriend and she doesn't mind. In comparison, my TP560X barely gets lukewarm - which is good because I often set it on my lap and I also often wear shorts! Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Fri Sep 1 21:59:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA18270 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:59:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25953; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:59:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:57:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25794; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:57:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25778; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:57:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.77 -> pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:57:34 -0400 Received: from chuck (adsl-63-206-212-45.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.212.45]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e821vWp154522 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 21:57:32 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 18:57:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Suddenly phantom printer port Reply-to: chuck@ccncn.org Message-ID: <39AFFC1A.4286.581C715@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: I don't have a clue as to whether this a hardware or Win98Se problem or ??? Computer/OS: Thinkpad600E, 128mb ram, Win98SE  All of a sudden, when I try to print to my HP LaserJet 1100, I get the following error message: "There was an error writing to LPT 1: (for the Printer HP Laser Jet 1100): There was a problem printing to the port. Check to make sure your printer is configured to use a valid port."  As to the obvious question, yes, it is configured for LPT 1. The error occurs whether or not the printer/printer cable (or ANY printer/cable) are attached when attempted to print to that printer. I have re-installed the HP driver software, re-initialized the bios, and run the bios diagnostic check on the port (which says the port is ok).  Any ideas? Thanks much! From cph Fri Sep 1 22:05:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA18317 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:05:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26793; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:04:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26632; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot03.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26618; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:03:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot03.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.23 -> pilot03.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:03:57 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm451-18.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.76]) by pilot03.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8223sd48748 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 22:03:55 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000901220104.01d41670@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 22:03:48 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Suddenly phantom printer port In-Reply-To: <39AFFC1A.4286.581C715@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: The first thing I'd do is hook the printer up to another computer, to see if the printer is OK. The second thing would be to hook up another printer to the suspect computer. Doing those two things will give you a pretty good clue what's wrong. If both work, then you have one of the just wondrous spontaneous Windows mess ups, and I'm not sure what is the best course for that. Off hand, I'd delete every printer in the system--every one-- and then reboot, then add that printer again. If that doesn't work, I'd ask here again and maybe someone will have an answer. ;-) --STeve Andre' At 06:57 PM 9/1/00 -0700, Chuck Blaisdell wrote: >I don't have a clue as to whether this a hardware or Win98Se >problem or ??? >Computer/OS: Thinkpad600E, 128mb ram, Win98SE >All of a sudden, when I try to print to my HP LaserJet 1100, I get the >following error message: "There was an error writing to LPT 1: (for >the >Printer HP Laser Jet 1100): There was a problem printing to the >port. Check >to make sure your printer is configured to use a valid port." >As to the obvious question, yes, it is configured for LPT 1. The error >occurs whether or not the printer/printer cable (or ANY printer/cable) >are >attached when attempted to print to that printer. I have re-installed >the >HP driver software, re-initialized the bios, and run the bios >diagnostic >check on the port (which says the port is ok). >Any ideas? Thanks much! From cph Fri Sep 1 23:48:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA18620 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:47:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02646; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:47:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:45:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02424; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02396; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (129.250.36.43 -> dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:45:02 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13V4En-0006c3-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 03:45:01 +0000 Received: from [206.50.209.108] (helo=A201-44.PPP.FTWO.TX.VERIO.NET) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13V4Em-0004n4-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 03:45:00 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 72-pin SODIMM (ThinkPad 701) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 22:43:57 -0500 Message-ID: <3rt0rs01fflbfu8cnqlcf4t13539r12ftb@4ax.com> References: <3cmuqsonn62dq7n5he0aetbafi9rk5fved@4ax.com> <200009010849.LAA27142@mail.clinet.fi> <000d01c01449$2a6f9de0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> <003c01c01449$fe424d20$6300a8c0@ThinkBaby> In-Reply-To: <003c01c01449$fe424d20$6300a8c0@ThinkBaby> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id XAA18621 On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:22:37 -0400, "Rob White" wrote: >If you think that is something, I could tell you about the >Digital (DEC) Rainbow in 1983. You would need a seatbelt for that story. We were all crazy as loons in those days! -jts From cph Fri Sep 1 23:50:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA18650 for ; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:50:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03415; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:48:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03064; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:48:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03049; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:48:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 23:48:22 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13V4I1-0003Ap-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 03:48:21 +0000 Received: from [206.50.209.108] (helo=A201-44.PPP.FTWO.TX.VERIO.NET) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13V4I0-0004sr-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 03:48:21 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 72-pin SODIMM (ThinkPad 701) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 22:47:16 -0500 Message-ID: <0ut0rsg1jfsajaniq4p30vb652gtqbi483@4ax.com> References: <3cmuqsonn62dq7n5he0aetbafi9rk5fved@4ax.com> <200009010849.LAA27142@mail.clinet.fi> <000d01c01449$2a6f9de0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> <003c01c01449$fe424d20$6300a8c0@ThinkBaby> <39B021A4.C5E41B1B@iso.net> In-Reply-To: <39B021A4.C5E41B1B@iso.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id XAA18651 On Fri, 01 Sep 2000 14:37:40 -0700, William Van Tuyl wrote: >A play toy for the mentally aged. CP/M was an OS we could get our arms round. I was saving my boat anchors for later life too but the wife actually harped until I tossed them. About $12k worth of investiment given over to Salvation Army. Hummm ... something to make this thread relevant. Oh yea, memory for our ThinkPads is a veritable bargain. Get you some! -jts From cph Sat Sep 2 02:41:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA19209 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:41:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10528; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:27:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09925; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:27:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.ls.xz.cn (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09847; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:27:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from public.ls.xz.cn (202.98.224.111 -> public.ls.xz.cn) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 02:27:26 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer.public.ls.xz.cn (ppp170.ls.xz.cn [202.98.225.170]) by public.ls.xz.cn (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA03709 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:25:39 +0800 (CST) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000902142416.00bf0670@public.ls.xz.cn> X-Sender: plateau@public.ls.xz.cn (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 14:26:40 +0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: John McKay Subject: 3.2 gig HDD for sale Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I have a 3.2 gig HDD for sale. It is just the drive. You'll need to get a case and adapter. I used it as a backup drive. It hasn't had much use. $100 + you pay the courier from CA. Regards, John plateau@public.ls.xz.cn From cph Sat Sep 2 03:33:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA19318 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:33:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13600; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:28:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13324; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13302; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:28:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:28:06 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-44.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.44]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA23481 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:27:58 +0300 Message-Id: <200009020727.KAA23481@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 10:27:56 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 128MB for TP560X? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: My ThinkPad 560X currently has 32 + 64 = 96 MB installed. Is there a 128 MB module for it that could be use to replace the 64 MB? Thanks, Dominique From cph Sat Sep 2 03:41:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA19335 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:41:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15018; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:38:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14510; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14495; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:38:29 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-44.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.44]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA24011 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:38:25 +0300 Message-Id: <200009020738.KAA24011@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 10:38:23 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200009011442.RAA09462@home.egenet.com.tr> Subject: Re: Windows ME; problems X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 01 Sep 2000 at 05:43 PM you, "turgut kalfaoglu" , said: >Hi there. I have an A20m; and just "upgraded" to WinME.. >Well, Hibernation stopped working altogether. I asked IBM, >and it seems I need the HIDEHIBE.EXE file.. Does anyone >know where to find this file? I know nothing about WinME, but normally the hibernation file (which is about the size of your RAM) is created via the ThinkPad configuration utility. For your model and your OS (well, it says W98/2000, but I assume it includes ME as well), it can be found at: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3XZMX3.html In the configuration utility, you click on the power management icon, then the hibernation icon and select "enable hibernation", which should create the file. HTH, Dominique From cph Sat Sep 2 03:41:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA19345 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:41:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15249; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:39:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14703; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14689; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:39:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:39:05 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-29.gate.net [207.36.212.29]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA81388; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:38:57 -0400 Message-ID: <39B0AEBE.86812160@gate.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 03:39:42 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Small CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: 72-pin SODIMM (ThinkPad 701) References: <3cmuqsonn62dq7n5he0aetbafi9rk5fved@4ax.com> <200009010849.LAA27142@mail.clinet.fi> <000d01c01449$2a6f9de0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> <003c01c01449$fe424d20$6300a8c0@ThinkBaby> <3rt0rs01fflbfu8cnqlcf4t13539r12ftb@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: you nuts speak for yourselves.. :-) i'm totally sane and i paid $8000 + for a CDC Phoeniz 90meg hard drive.. 75meg fixed, 15meg removeable.. it was the size of a console tv.. about 22 inches wide, 14 inches tall and 36 inches deep.. weight was about 175 pounds.. or $6000 for a CDC Hawk hard drive.. 10megs.. 5meg fixed and 5meg removeable.. abouty the same size as the phoenix drive..! OR $800+ for an 8K (yes 8 kilobytes) static ram board that i hade to assemble..! 64 chips.. and you COULD actually fry eggs on it when running, unless the solder melted first.. :-) John Small wrote: > On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:22:37 -0400, "Rob White" wrote: > > >If you think that is something, I could tell you about the > >Digital (DEC) Rainbow in 1983. You would need a seatbelt for that story. > > We were all crazy as loons in those days! > > -jts -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sat Sep 2 03:50:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA19376 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:50:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16396; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:47:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16170; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16157; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:47:38 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-29.gate.net [207.36.212.29]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA05342; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 03:47:33 -0400 Message-ID: <39B0B0BA.B3F26AC4@gate.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 03:48:10 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dominique Pivard CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 128MB for TP560X? References: <200009020727.KAA23481@mail.clinet.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: nope.. AND, its EDO memory, which has been slowly increasing in price.. Dominique Pivard wrote: > My ThinkPad 560X currently has 32 + 64 = 96 MB installed. Is there a 128 > MB module for it that could be use to replace the 64 MB? > > Thanks, Dominique -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sat Sep 2 05:37:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA19664 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:37:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26320; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:35:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:33:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26129; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26116; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:33:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (129.250.36.43 -> dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:33:56 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13V9gQ-0004CK-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 09:33:54 +0000 Received: from [206.50.209.10] (helo=A200-10.PPP.FTWO.TX.VERIO.NET) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13V9gQ-0005ys-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 09:33:54 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: [TP560] unknown device Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 04:32:52 -0500 Message-ID: <9uh1rs8nceheqniamq5mns2urvju485avd@4ax.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA19665 After installing Win98SE I keep getting a message that I have an unnknown device. This occurs on each resume and is annoying at the least. When I go to system properties > device manager I see there are two uninstalled devices. Unfortunately I see no indication what these devices are. Any suggestions as to what they are so I can either make this go away or provide the required drivers? Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560 & 701C From cph Sat Sep 2 05:53:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA19705 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:53:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27029; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:50:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26904; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA26890; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (129.250.36.44 -> dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:50:26 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13V9wP-0005A1-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 09:50:25 +0000 Received: from [206.50.209.10] (helo=A200-10.PPP.FTWO.TX.VERIO.NET) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13V9wO-0001LC-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 09:50:24 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 72-pin SODIMM (ThinkPad 701) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 04:49:19 -0500 Message-ID: References: <3cmuqsonn62dq7n5he0aetbafi9rk5fved@4ax.com> <200009010849.LAA27142@mail.clinet.fi> <000d01c01449$2a6f9de0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> <003c01c01449$fe424d20$6300a8c0@ThinkBaby> <3rt0rs01fflbfu8cnqlcf4t13539r12ftb@4ax.com> <39B0AEBE.86812160@gate.net> In-Reply-To: <39B0AEBE.86812160@gate.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA19706 On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 03:39:42 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >OR $800+ for an 8K (yes 8 kilobytes) So another card carrying member of Computer Looney Tunes! :^/ This brief thread has done more to heal my 'wounds' than anything I can remember! Awesome. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Sat Sep 2 05:59:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA19738 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:58:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27573; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:56:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27407; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA27394; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:56:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 05:56:11 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-50.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.50]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA30881 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 12:56:09 +0300 Message-Id: <200009020956.MAA30881@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 12:56:06 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9uh1rs8nceheqniamq5mns2urvju485avd@4ax.com> Subject: Re: [TP560] unknown device X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: I installed Win98SE on a 560 I just sold and I found that the install CD contained everything needed except for the ThinkPad configuration utilities. You may want to have a look at the device driver file matrix at http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3RYRAK.html It lists a newer video driver (v6.00.47.11, dated 6-Feb-2000). When I applied it Win98 warned me it wasn't suitable for this machine (or something to the same effect) but when I went on it did install without problems. You must have some external devices (PCMCIA-cards?) connected to your TP560, otherwise everything internal should be recognized correctly. HTH, Dominique On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 at 04:32 AM you, John Small , said: >After installing Win98SE I keep getting a message that I have an unnknown >device. This occurs on each resume and is annoying at the least. When I >go to system properties > device manager I see there are two uninstalled >devices. Unfortunately I see no indication what these devices are. >Any suggestions as to what they are so I can either make this go away or >provide the required drivers? >Thanks. >-jts >ThinkPad 560 & 701C From cph Sat Sep 2 08:26:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA20200 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:26:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03925; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:24:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:23:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03778; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:23:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA03765; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:22:57 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-45.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.45]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA05774 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:22:51 +0300 Message-Id: <200009021222.PAA05774@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 15:21:54 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <39B0B0BA.B3F26AC4@gate.net> Subject: Re: 128MB for TP560X? X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: Too bad. Is there any particular reason why? Several ThinkPad models supports 3rd party RAM in a size that wasn't available when they were first introduced (eg. 32MB in TP701, 64MB in original TP560), which is why I thought there could be 128MB modules for the 560X. Thanks, Dominique On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 at 03:48 AM you, Bill Morrow , said: >nope.. >AND, its EDO memory, which has been slowly increasing in price.. >Dominique Pivard wrote: >> My ThinkPad 560X currently has 32 + 64 = 96 MB installed. Is there a 128 >> MB module for it that could be use to replace the 64 MB? >> >> Thanks, Dominique From cph Sat Sep 2 09:21:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA20312 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:21:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05542; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:16:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05412; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05399; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:16:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:16:52 -0400 Received: from tp1480 (adsl-141-152-142-42.bellatlantic.net [141.152.142.42]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA00856; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001b01c014e0$0e02aca0$6401a8c0@tp1480> From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: "John Small" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <3cmuqsonn62dq7n5he0aetbafi9rk5fved@4ax.com> <200009010849.LAA27142@mail.clinet.fi> <000d01c01449$2a6f9de0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> <003c01c01449$fe424d20$6300a8c0@ThinkBaby> <3rt0rs01fflbfu8cnqlcf4t13539r12ftb@4ax.com> Subject: Re: 72-pin SODIMM (ThinkPad 701) Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:16:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I remember being in Nerdvana when I could buy 16K DRAM for $150, probably $300 in today's dollars. WOW! A few months ago I got a 128MB module for my i1480 for $107. (From www.crucial.com, excellent service and quality) I still have my TRS-80 in a closet upstairs. Still not sure if this fancy graphics stuff will catch on. jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Small" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:43 PM Subject: Re: 72-pin SODIMM (ThinkPad 701) On Fri, 1 Sep 2000 15:22:37 -0400, "Rob White" wrote: >If you think that is something, I could tell you about the >Digital (DEC) Rainbow in 1983. You would need a seatbelt for that story. We were all crazy as loons in those days! -jts From cph Sat Sep 2 10:38:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA20584 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:38:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08543; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:34:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:33:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08406; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08379; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web124.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.192 -> web124.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:32:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 12535 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Sep 2000 14:32:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000902143247.12534.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web124.yahoomail.com; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 07:32:47 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 07:32:47 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Suddenly phantom printer port To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: It's possible that the port might just be bad but it may be that something else is using that port and blocks printing. For instance, if you have recently configured the IR port for wireless communication it can use the printer port as well as the serial port. I ran into that once with IR. The solution is to go into control panel and disable the lpt port for IR communications. If you remove it, windows will just find and install it again next time when you reboot. --- STeve Andre' wrote: > The first thing I'd do is hook the printer up to > another computer, to see > if the printer is OK. The second thing would be to > hook up another > printer to the suspect computer. Doing those two > things will give > you a pretty good clue what's wrong. > > If both work, then you have one of the just wondrous > spontaneous > Windows mess ups, and I'm not sure what is the best > course for > that. Off hand, I'd delete every printer in the > system--every one-- > and then reboot, then add that printer again. > > If that doesn't work, I'd ask here again and maybe > someone will > have an answer. ;-) > > --STeve Andre' > > At 06:57 PM 9/1/00 -0700, Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > >I don't have a clue as to whether this a hardware > or Win98Se > >problem or ??? > >Computer/OS: Thinkpad600E, 128mb ram, Win98SE > >All of a sudden, when I try to print to my HP > LaserJet 1100, I get the > >following error message: "There was an error > writing to LPT 1: (for > >the > >Printer HP Laser Jet 1100): There was a problem > printing to the > >port. Check > >to make sure your printer is configured to use a > valid port." > >As to the obvious question, yes, it is configured > for LPT 1. The error > >occurs whether or not the printer/printer cable (or > ANY printer/cable) > >are > >attached when attempted to print to that printer. I > have re-installed > >the > >HP driver software, re-initialized the bios, and > run the bios > >diagnostic > >check on the port (which says the port is ok). > >Any ideas? Thanks much! > ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Sat Sep 2 11:00:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA20673 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:00:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10009; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:59:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:57:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09846; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web113.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09833; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web113.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.84 -> web113.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:57:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 10783 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Sep 2000 14:57:27 -0000 Message-ID: <20000902145727.10782.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web113.yahoomail.com; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 07:57:27 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 07:57:27 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: When you say that finding a good keyboard on 760 series is tougher that's the understatement of the year. I think they lost the art of making a usable keyboard and viewable displays after making the 700C. The keys on my 760EL are so bad that it's impossible to touch type on them and difficult even to hunt and peck since most of the keys stick. The wide keys won't go down at all unless they are pressed right in the center. After having it replaced under warranty it was worse since they didn't lube any of the moving parts in the new one. The 760EL is not suitable for wordprocessing at all due to the keyboard and the display which is dark and fuzzy, so try it before you buy. --- Denis Hall wrote: > Hi Jeff, > your friend certainly can get a nice affordable > ThinkPad to suit his > needs.... > The following is based entirely on my personal > experience with > ThinkPads....and I'm sure you'll get other great > input from ThinkPad list > members... > > For pure word processing, I find the keyboards on > the 700 series ThinkPads > to be the best made to date.... they have great > feel, are forgiving yet > accurate, and the full keyboard size makes no > compromises. > 760 style keyboards are not as good (feel or > accuracy) as the 755 series, > and I think finding a good keyboard on 760 series is > tougher , since they do > wear out much easier than 755's....still, the 760's > can be very enjoyable if > you have a good one... > Another great keyboard is the 560 series, which is > also extremely thin and > lightweight. Again, finding a GOOD unit is the key > here. The combination > of lightweight, and the excellent battery life of > the 560's is another plus > for those who like to do wordprocessing... > > One big thing the 760 series has going for it is the > great availability of > parts and upgrades, and the ease of swapping > devices. It's a tremendous > value.... > > Feel free to contact me directly if you have > specific model questions... > because to answer one of your questions, YES -- > there are large variations > within the 760 series family which I recommend you > become familiar with .... > > I'll stop here and let others keep crankin' with > info.... > > Have a Great Day, > Denis Hall, Michigan > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Baker > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Date: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:21 AM > Subject: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? > > > >I have a friend who is considering buying a 760, > primarily for word > >processing but I'm sure he'll have other uses for > it. Is this model, with > >which I'm unfamiliar, a good one? Are there > variations in the 760 line > that > >we should know about - different model letters? > They certainly seem to be > >selling cheaply on ebay, and the money is a serious > consideration for him. > >Thanks very much -- Jeff > > > ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Sat Sep 2 11:14:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA20702 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:14:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11081; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:08:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10913; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop2.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10899; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop2.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.2 -> sttlpop2.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:08:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 73002 invoked by alias); 2 Sep 2000 15:08:35 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 72978 invoked by uid 0); 2 Sep 2000 15:08:35 -0000 Received: from sttl6400gw3poola16.sttl.uswest.net (HELO jmcjr) (63.225.173.16) by sttlpop2.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 2 Sep 2000 15:08:35 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000901213946.00936240@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 21:39:46 -0700 To: "Shawn R. Lin" , "Allan Ballard" From: Not Me Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? Cc: "Jeffrey Baker" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" In-Reply-To: <39B05C67.4DC8D8CD@mail.orion.org> References: <200009020142.VAA25543@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I has forgotten about the heat of the 760. I never knew of the rubber pad. In the summer when I wore shorts I would set a towel folded to double thickness on my lap. Without the towel the temperature was somewhat uncomfortable and my legs would begin to sweat. My current laptop computer is a 560X. I've never experienced any heat problems with the 560X. I also have a 600E. No heat problems but I find the 600E a little heavy for extended use as a laptop computer. (The 760E was a lot heavy, but I was younger and stronger then.) At 08:48 PM 9/1/2000 -0500, Shawn R. Lin wrote: >Allan Ballard wrote: >> >> IBM offers a rubber "heat pad" that helps the 760's >> considerably. >> >> On Fri, 01 Sep 2000 12:47:30 -0500, Shawn R. Lin wrote: >> >> >Only drawback to them (IMO) is size, weight, and heat. They're big and >> >bulky, the 760ED is almost twice as thick as my 560X. It weighs >> >probably 7 or 8lbs. It also generates enough heat that it can get >> >extremely uncomfortable sitting on my lap. > >Yeah, I know, my 760ED *does* have the heat pad and it STILL gets >extremely hot! >Oh well, I bought it for my girlfriend and she doesn't mind. In >comparison, my TP560X barely gets lukewarm - which is good because I >often set it on my lap and I also often wear shorts! > >Shawn > > > >________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com > > From cph Sat Sep 2 11:14:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA20706 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:14:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10655; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:05:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10490; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10474; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:05:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.161 -> gtei2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:05:45 -0400 Received: from tp1480 (adsl-141-152-142-42.bellatlantic.net [141.152.142.42]) by gtei2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA07974; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:05:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001f01c014ef$42f81df0$6401a8c0@tp1480> From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: "Jeffrey Baker" , References: <002101c01427$f773dee0$0200a8c0@laptop> Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:05:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I recently got a 760EL (9547-U4S), P120, 32MB, 1.0HD, on Ebay, and I'm delighted with it. There is a certain amount of luck involved when buying a used Thinkpad unseen, and I had a fair amount of good fortune. The exterior was slightly scuffed, the keyboard looked brand new, and the LI-ION battery will run the machine flat out for about 2 hours. No dead pixels on the 12" TFT. It is worthwhile to watch Ebay. A huge number of Thinkpads have been leased over the years to large companies, and when the leases expire there is a veritable flood of units up for sale. The laws of supply and demand apply, and some excellent deals can be had. It came witn Win98 and Office 2000, and ran a bit too sluggishly for my tastes. I installed Win95 OEMSR2, parts of Office 2000 (including MISE5), and there was a big improvement as well as a nice saving in disk space. By current standards this is a slow machine, have no illusions. You won't get the "snap" you experience with a more recent Thinkpad with a much faster video subsystem, etc. Not a machine for heavy multimedia or intensive graphics! My 760EL is an early model, it is my impression that the later models are significantly faster. BUT it runs MSIE5, MSWord2K, MSExcel2K, etc., quite well. I favor the keyboard arrangement on the older Thinkpads, and to me it is a very comfortable machine to use. I can jack into my home LAN and access the Net via DSL and it works fine while setting no speed records. It came with a 1.0GB hard drive. As it happens I had a 2.1GB unit on hand, and put that in. The 760's have a hard drive arrangement that makes swapping drives a breeze. I bought a second 2.1 GB drive onto which I will install Linux, probably the SUSE distribution. This ease of swapping configurations makes these notebooks a lot of fun for a tinkerer. These are fine machines for anyone who needs an "acceptable" level of performance for relatively undemanding applications and is on a budget. jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 11:19 AM Subject: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? > I have a friend who is considering buying a 760, primarily for word > processing but I'm sure he'll have other uses for it. Is this model, with > which I'm unfamiliar, a good one? Are there variations in the 760 line that > we should know about - different model letters? They certainly seem to be > selling cheaply on ebay, and the money is a serious consideration for him. > Thanks very much -- Jeff > From cph Sat Sep 2 11:18:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA20716 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:18:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11824; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:15:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11544; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11527; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:15:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:15:43 -0400 Received: from tk-laptop (dialup7-r7.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.199]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA24370 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 18:14:53 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009021514.SAA24370@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 18:15:18 +0300 Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.90.3000) In-Reply-To: <200009021222.PAA05774@mail.clinet.fi> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Memory upgrade for TP A20m List-Unsubscribe: Hi there. My thinkpad came with 64M of RAM, but I'd like to add another 128M to it.. what kind of RAM do I need for it? Many thanks, -turgut ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Sat Sep 2 11:19:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA20720 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:19:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12102; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:16:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11728; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:16:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web113.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11715; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web113.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.84 -> web113.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:16:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 12243 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Sep 2000 15:16:51 -0000 Message-ID: <20000902151651.12242.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web113.yahoomail.com; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 08:16:51 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:16:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Maxtor 105Mb type3 pcmcia ata weirdness To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I have a Maxtor 131Mb drive and it works OK in my Thinkpad 760EL and Dell Latitude. That's all I have to try it in. When I got it, it was somehow partitioned for 170Mb. I had to FDISK it to get the correct size set to 131Mb again. I thought that was pretty weird. --- Andy Beals wrote: > Ok, now I see that not only do they read in a > 730T/TE, and fail in a 770ED, > they also fail in a CameraMate parallel port > pcmcia{2,3}/cf{1?} adaptor. The > general symptom on the 770 and the CameraMate is the > same -- drive doesn't > spin up, isdn't recognized by the OS - windoze > 95/98. Yes, the 770 and the > CameraMate recognize other hard drives - an IBM > 105Mb and a CallunaCard 520Mb > no problem. > > Anyone else seen similar? > > > ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Sat Sep 2 11:30:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA20773 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:30:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13350; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:28:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:26:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12965; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12952; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:26:49 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.232]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000902152647.QAFO6375.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:26:47 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000902112335.009037b0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 11:23:35 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000901213946.00936240@pop.goamerica.net> References: <39B05C67.4DC8D8CD@mail.orion.org> <200009020142.VAA25543@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:39 PM 09/01/2000 -0700, Not Me wrote: >I has forgotten about the heat of the 760. > >I never knew of the rubber pad. > For the early models at least, IBM would send the pad out to anyone who called and asked for it. The last time I tried to get one, though, the people at the 800 support number didn't know what I was talking about. Our Marketing Specialist was able to chase one down for me as a personal favor, but it took her several weeks (and she was always *very* resourceful about getting things - I really miss her). From cph Sat Sep 2 11:30:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA20777 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:30:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13095; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:26:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12818; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12805; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.77 -> pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:25:58 -0400 Received: from chuck (adsl-63-206-212-45.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.206.212.45]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e82FPvp159806 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 11:25:57 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 08:25:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Suddenly phantom printer port Reply-to: chuck@ccncn.org Message-ID: <39B0B993.32050.1423EA@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <20000902143247.12534.qmail@web124.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: When I go into Control Panel and click on "Infrared", it says that "Infrarded is providing application support on Com 4 and Lpt 3" There is no option to change anything. Disabling Infrared from there doesn't affect the problem. Or have I misunderstood you? Thanks. On 2 Sep 2000, at 7:32, Steve C. wrote: > It's possible that the port might just be bad but it > may be that something else is using that port and > blocks printing. For instance, if you have recently > configured the IR port for wireless communication it > can use the printer port as well as the serial port. > I ran into that once with IR. The solution is to go > into control panel and disable the lpt port for IR > communications. If you remove it, windows will just > find and install it again next time when you reboot. > > --- STeve Andre' wrote: > > The first thing I'd do is hook the printer up to > > another computer, to see > > if the printer is OK. The second thing would be to > > hook up another > > printer to the suspect computer. Doing those two > > things will give > > you a pretty good clue what's wrong. > > > > If both work, then you have one of the just wondrous > > spontaneous > > Windows mess ups, and I'm not sure what is the best > > course for > > that. Off hand, I'd delete every printer in the > > system--every one-- > > and then reboot, then add that printer again. > > > > If that doesn't work, I'd ask here again and maybe > > someone will > > have an answer. ;-) > > > > --STeve Andre' > > > > At 06:57 PM 9/1/00 -0700, Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > > >I don't have a clue as to whether this a hardware > > or Win98Se > > >problem or ??? > > >Computer/OS: Thinkpad600E, 128mb ram, Win98SE > > >All of a sudden, when I try to print to my HP > > LaserJet 1100, I get the > > >following error message: "There was an error > > writing to LPT 1: (for > > >the > > >Printer HP Laser Jet 1100): There was a problem > > printing to the > > >port. Check > > >to make sure your printer is configured to use a > > valid port." > > >As to the obvious question, yes, it is configured > > for LPT 1. The error > > >occurs whether or not the printer/printer cable (or > > ANY printer/cable) > > >are > > >attached when attempted to print to that printer. I > > have re-installed > > >the > > >HP driver software, re-initialized the bios, and > > run the bios > > >diagnostic > > >check on the port (which says the port is ok). > > >Any ideas? Thanks much! > > > > > ===== > Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > From cph Sat Sep 2 13:50:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA21293 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:50:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19983; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:48:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:46:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19826; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:46:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3807.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19812; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:46:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3807.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.175 -> web3804.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 13:46:48 -0400 Message-ID: <20000902174647.23583.qmail@web3807.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.15.109.121] by web3804.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 10:46:47 PDT Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 10:46:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Garrett Kaste Subject: Re: 3.2 gig HDD for sale To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-846930886-967916807=:23038" List-Unsubscribe: --0-846930886-967916807=:23038 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You can buy a 6.4gb for about $20 more, thats new with warrenty. John McKay wrote: I have a 3.2 gig HDD for sale. It is just the drive. You'll need to get a case and adapter. I used it as a backup drive. It hasn't had much use. $100 + you pay the courier from CA. Regards, John plateau@public.ls.xz.cn --------------------------------- Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-846930886-967916807=:23038 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii

You can buy a 6.4gb for about $20 more, thats new with warrenty.

  John McKay <plateau@public.ls.xz.cn> wrote:

I have a 3.2 gig HDD for sale. It is just the drive. You'll need to get a
case and adapter. I used it as a backup drive. It hasn't had much use.

$100 + you pay the courier from CA.

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John
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Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! --0-846930886-967916807=:23038-- From cph Sat Sep 2 14:21:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA21398 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:21:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21863; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:18:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21643; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:18:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21625; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:18:28 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13VHs3-0003Sf-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 18:18:27 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.12] (helo=isdn30-12.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13VHs2-000337-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 18:18:27 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: [TP560] unknown device Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 13:17:24 -0500 Message-ID: References: <9uh1rs8nceheqniamq5mns2urvju485avd@4ax.com> <200009020956.MAA30881@mail.clinet.fi> In-Reply-To: <200009020956.MAA30881@mail.clinet.fi> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA21399 On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 12:56:06 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >You must have some external devices (PCMCIA-cards?) connected to your >TP560, otherwise everything internal should be recognized correctly. Just a megahz lan/modem pcmcia card. And alternately in the other slot a CF card adapter, smartcard adapter and scsi card. They all work fine when I install them. You suspect they have something to do with the 'unknown device' business? Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Sat Sep 2 14:26:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA21417 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:26:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22430; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:22:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22286; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22269; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:22:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (129.250.36.41 -> dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:22:34 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13VHw0-0000d8-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 18:22:32 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.12] (helo=isdn30-12.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13VHw0-0003A5-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 18:22:32 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 72-pin SODIMM (ThinkPad 701) Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 13:21:29 -0500 Message-ID: <33h2rscsit2vffib9o0ss1nrc38cuqo7m6@4ax.com> References: <3cmuqsonn62dq7n5he0aetbafi9rk5fved@4ax.com> <200009010849.LAA27142@mail.clinet.fi> <000d01c01449$2a6f9de0$0311a8c0@detayls.com> <003c01c01449$fe424d20$6300a8c0@ThinkBaby> <3rt0rs01fflbfu8cnqlcf4t13539r12ftb@4ax.com> <001b01c014e0$0e02aca0$6401a8c0@tp1480> In-Reply-To: <001b01c014e0$0e02aca0$6401a8c0@tp1480> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA21418 On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:16:49 -0400, "Jim Biggerstaff" wrote: >A few months ago I got a 128MB module for my i1480 for $107. (From >www.crucial.com, excellent service and quality) As an aside, Crucial was way higher than the $175 I paid last week at CDW for the 64mb I added to the 560. The module I received had IBM stamped all over it and came in an IBM box (76H0268 SODIMM). -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Sat Sep 2 14:40:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA21469 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:40:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23423; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:38:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:37:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23270; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23257; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:37:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 14:37:15 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13VIAD-0003vR-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 18:37:13 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.12] (helo=isdn30-12.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13VIAD-0003W4-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 18:37:13 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: [TP560] unknown device Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 13:36:10 -0500 Message-ID: <50i2rs8mshssh831q703lrakbgvelfml29@4ax.com> References: <9uh1rs8nceheqniamq5mns2urvju485avd@4ax.com> <200009020956.MAA30881@mail.clinet.fi> In-Reply-To: <200009020956.MAA30881@mail.clinet.fi> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA21470 On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 12:56:06 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >You may want to have a look at the device driver file matrix at >http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3RYRAK.html Thanks ... in reviewing the matrix I have those installed. An alternative site specific to Win98 with instructions by IBM is (must be entered all on one line) ... http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/LWIK-3VHHJR.html?lang=en_US&page=brand&brand=root&doctype=&subtype=Cat -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Sat Sep 2 15:30:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA21661 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:30:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26267; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:26:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26131; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26118; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:26:35 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.169] (helo=139-142-112-169.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13VIv8-0000Es-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 12:25:43 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 11:10:58 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <20000902145727.10782.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: In article <20000902145727.10782.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com>, "Steve C." wrote: >When you say that finding a good keyboard on 760 >series is tougher that's the understatement of the >year. Maybe that's where the 12,000 units of 701 keyboards disappeared to: somebody's trying to convert them to put on 760s ??? Incidentally, the 701 keyboard is pretty good. It is a little on the "stiff" side, you have to hit them good and hard. I wouldn't want to be taking "dictation" on this keyboard for more than about 10 minutes. But for writing letters (unless you think faster than I do, which is easily done :-) and other general keyboard tasks, it's just fine. -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Sat Sep 2 15:34:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA21674 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:34:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26832; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:31:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26645; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26632; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:31:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:31:22 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.217.48]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000902193117.XBJR15332.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 19:31:17 +0000 Message-ID: <39B154F7.A94E9E4B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 15:28:55 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Steve C." CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Maxtor 105Mb type3 pcmcia ata weirdness References: <20000902151651.12242.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The Maxtor 131 and the 171 work fine in thinkpads. The 105 is old and may require 12v dc. Birger "Steve C." wrote: > > I have a Maxtor 131Mb drive and it works OK in my > Thinkpad 760EL and Dell Latitude. That's all I have to > try it in. When I got it, it was somehow partitioned > for 170Mb. I had to FDISK it to get the correct size > set to 131Mb again. I thought that was pretty weird. > > --- Andy Beals wrote: > > Ok, now I see that not only do they read in a > > 730T/TE, and fail in a 770ED, > > they also fail in a CameraMate parallel port > > pcmcia{2,3}/cf{1?} adaptor. The > > general symptom on the 770 and the CameraMate is the > > same -- drive doesn't > > spin up, isdn't recognized by the OS - windoze > > 95/98. Yes, the 770 and the > > CameraMate recognize other hard drives - an IBM > > 105Mb and a CallunaCard 520Mb > > no problem. > > > > Anyone else seen similar? > > > > > > > > ===== > Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Sat Sep 2 16:03:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA21791 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:03:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28285; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:59:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28121; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:59:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28106; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:59:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 15:59:51 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13VJSA-00077L-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 19:59:50 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.12] (helo=isdn30-12.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13VJSA-0001tN-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 02 Sep 2000 19:59:50 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 14:58:40 -0500 Message-ID: References: <20000902145727.10782.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA21792 On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 11:10:58 -0800, jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) wrote: >Incidentally, the 701 keyboard is pretty good. It is a little >on the "stiff" side, I agree. My 701C has a good feel, but a little stiff when I get going fast (touch type). However the 560 is near perfect. In fact many of my letters are worn off I have used it so much! Although this may sound odd, the 560 feels about like the early Toshiba keyboards (1000, 2000, 3300, 4400) before they became so cheap and cheesy. It was at that point I converted to ThinkPads. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Sat Sep 2 16:11:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA21822 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:11:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29309; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:08:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29141; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29124; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:08:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (199.224.64.57 -> bean.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:08:26 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp49.epix.net [199.224.125.49]) by bean.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000080901/PL) with SMTP id e82K8O511849 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:08:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009022008.e82K8O511849@bean.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 16:07:48 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200009021514.SAA24370@home.egenet.com.tr> Subject: Re: Memory upgrade for TP A20m X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zk/19zk List-Unsubscribe: In <200009021514.SAA24370@home.egenet.com.tr>, on 09/02/00 at 06:15 PM, "turgut kalfaoglu" typed: >Hi there. My thinkpad came with 64M of RAM, but I'd like to add another >128M to it.. what kind of RAM do I need for it? I sent turgut directly a clip from www.crucial.com - select IBM, then Thinkpad, then A20m for the full story. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- Death to all fanatics! From cph Sat Sep 2 17:36:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA22110 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:36:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04443; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:34:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04181; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:34:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04168; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:34:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 17:34:11 -0400 Received: from mattwinston ([64.108.13.91]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20000902213408.VQLN10246.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@mattwinston>; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:34:08 -0500 Message-ID: <017f01c01525$763a9d60$0201a8c0@ameritech.net> From: "Matt Winston" To: "Dominique Pivard" , References: <200009020956.MAA30881@mail.clinet.fi> Subject: Re: [TP560] unknown device Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:33:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Try re-installing the sound card drivers. That has solved this problem in the past. Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dominique Pivard" To: Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 4:56 AM Subject: Re: [TP560] unknown device > I installed Win98SE on a 560 I just sold and I found that the install CD > contained everything needed except for the ThinkPad configuration > utilities. > > You may want to have a look at the device driver file matrix at > http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3RYRAK.html > > It lists a newer video driver (v6.00.47.11, dated 6-Feb-2000). When I > applied it Win98 warned me it wasn't suitable for this machine (or > something to the same effect) but when I went on it did install without > problems. > > You must have some external devices (PCMCIA-cards?) connected to your > TP560, otherwise everything internal should be recognized correctly. > > HTH, Dominique > > On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 at 04:32 AM you, John Small , > said: > > >After installing Win98SE I keep getting a message that I have an unnknown > >device. This occurs on each resume and is annoying at the least. When I > >go to system properties > device manager I see there are two uninstalled > >devices. Unfortunately I see no indication what these devices are. > > >Any suggestions as to what they are so I can either make this go away or > >provide the required drivers? > > >Thanks. > > >-jts > >ThinkPad 560 & 701C > > From cph Sat Sep 2 19:35:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA22463 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 19:35:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11100; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 19:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 19:32:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10901; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 19:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10888; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 19:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bean.epix.net (199.224.64.57 -> bean.epix.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 2 Sep 2000 19:32:43 -0400 Received: from mohotta (itha-125ppp24.epix.net [199.224.125.24]) by bean.epix.net (8.10.1/8.10.1/2000080901/PL) with SMTP id e82NWf500215 for ; Sat, 2 Sep 2000 19:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009022332.e82NWf500215@bean.epix.net> From: "Julian Thomas" Reply-to: "Julian Thomas" Date: Sat, 02 Sep 2000 19:32:33 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.0.20000901220104.01d41670@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Suddenly phantom printer port X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.19zk/19zk List-Unsubscribe: In <4.3.2.7.0.20000901220104.01d41670@pilot.msu.edu>, on 09/01/00 at 10:03 PM, "STeve Andre'" typed: >The first thing I'd do is hook the printer up to another computer, to see >if the printer is OK. The second thing would be to hook up another >printer to the suspect computer. Doing those two things will give you a >pretty good clue what's wrong. One more thing that may shed some light - boot a dos diskette and see if you can print from DOS. If you can, that tends to eliminate hardware. -- Julian Thomas: jt@epix.net http://home.epix.net/~jt In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New York State! Boardmember of POSSI.org - Phoenix OS/2 Society, Inc http://www.possi.org -- -- "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead From cph Sun Sep 3 03:17:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA23654 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:17:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26860; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:07:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26429; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26416; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (129.250.36.43 -> dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:07:42 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13VTsT-0005Lu-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 07:07:41 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.12] (helo=isdn30-12.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13VTsS-0004SI-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 07:07:40 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: [TP560] unknown device Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 02:06:44 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200009020956.MAA30881@mail.clinet.fi> <017f01c01525$763a9d60$0201a8c0@ameritech.net> In-Reply-To: <017f01c01525$763a9d60$0201a8c0@ameritech.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA23655 On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 16:33:40 -0500, "Matt Winston" wrote: >Try re-installing the sound card drivers. That has solved this problem in >the past. Thanks for the suggestion Matt. That got me looking at the device manager as I recall Win98 does not require separate sound drivers as they are bundled in. But I did notice that there was an ! beside the internet sharing device I had installed. I removed this and on re-boot the driver issue vanished. Now I do want this service eventually but it looks like some research is going to be required to bring it up. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Sun Sep 3 03:17:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA23658 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:17:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27470; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:13:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27319; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:13:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27306; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (129.250.36.44 -> dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 03:13:52 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13VTyQ-0006de-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 07:13:50 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.12] (helo=isdn30-12.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13VTyQ-0007Zz-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 07:13:50 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: protection from digital phone exchange Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 02:12:54 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA23659 What is the best device for this sort of protection? I have seen a very large black box for $120 at Fry's. But it is way too large for travel. Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Sun Sep 3 07:36:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA01617 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 07:36:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14855; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 07:34:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 07:32:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14638; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 07:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA14624; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 07:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 07:32:15 -0400 Received: from slip202-135-85-120.pe.nz.ibm.net ([202.135.85.120]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2000090311310722900q70gpe>; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:31:10 +0000 From: dmhills@attglobal.net (Don Hills) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760 laptop -- a good used computer? Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:39:02 +1200 Message-ID: <2whs5sgaXSXF092yn@attglobal.net> In-Reply-To: <20000902145727.10782.qmail@web113.yahoomail.com> Lines: 22 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.38Beta [OS/2] List-Unsubscribe: 760 systems were notorious for (relatively) rapid keyboard wear. If you've got one with sticky keys, get yourself some "dri-lube" as used for drawer slides etc. Do not use oil based products, they will rot the rubber membrane. Carefully, using 2 small screwdrivers, pry off each keytop. Clean the stems and slides and then lube them with a very small amount of "dri-lube". Clip the keytop back on. If you're lucky, you'll get all the keys done without problems. If not, on pulling one of the keys you'll find that the rubber "dome" of the keyboard membrane has ripped off with the keytop. If this happens, it's new keyboard time. Fortunately, they're cheap (something like US$75, I think). If you're good with your hands you can replace it yourself. Make sure the keys don't stick on the new keyboard before installing it- return it if necessary until you get a good one. "Steve C." wrote: >When you say that finding a good keyboard on 760 >series is tougher that's the understatement of the >year. -- Don Hills (dmhills at attglobaldotnet) Wellington, New Zealand From cph Sun Sep 3 08:06:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA01671 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:06:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15935; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:04:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:03:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15804; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:03:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15794; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:03:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-r11.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.65 -> imo-r11.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:03:04 -0400 Received: from Kernow62@aol.com by imo-r11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id o.dd.93dd442 (4409) for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:03:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:03:01 EDT Subject: 760 a good computer To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 List-Unsubscribe: Was this 760 one of the much touted by the list 3 year machines, or a lowly 1 year machine like my trusty 380ED? If it was a 3 year machine perhaps one ought to consider a 1 year machine. Jim. From cph Sun Sep 3 10:50:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA02091 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:50:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21675; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:47:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21506; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21492; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.19 -> cpimssmtpu03.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 10:47:43 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.183.142 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 07:46:50 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c015b6$411c9fc0$8eb71b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Paint Job on 560 Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:50:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Last update.... (yes I hear the cheers!) It's been over a month, the paint has cured to a real hard finish. For the first few days I could put scratches on it with my fingernail if I put good pressure on it. Now it's pretty resistant to that. No wear from the case at all. Problems Worn thru on the latch, probably because the paint was to thin. Replaced it with a black one and the contrast looks better anyway. A couple minor chips on the bottom from use, but again the paint was thin. Positives The top/sides show no wear, chips, or scratches. Thing I really like is a slightly damp rag removes the finger prints and grime much quicker than before. If I ever get my digital camera back, I'll post the photo's Brad aka Booger Da Vinci From cph Sun Sep 3 12:21:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA02362 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:21:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26164; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:20:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:18:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25998; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:18:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web109.yahoomail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25984; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web109.yahoomail.com (205.180.60.76 -> web109.yahoomail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:18:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 22358 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Sep 2000 16:18:50 -0000 Message-ID: <20000903161850.22357.qmail@web109.yahoomail.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web109.yahoomail.com; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 09:18:50 PDT Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:18:50 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Suddenly phantom printer port To: chuck@ccncn.org Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: You're close. In Control Panel, System, Device Manager, click on Ports and you will find the Infrared ports listed there and you can disable the one using LPT. I had to do that to get my printer to work and it took a lot of searching to find it. --- Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > When I go into Control Panel and click on > "Infrared", it says that > "Infrarded is providing application support on Com 4 > and Lpt 3" > There is no option to change anything. Disabling > Infrared from > there doesn't affect the problem. Or have I > misunderstood you? > > Thanks. > > > On 2 Sep 2000, at 7:32, Steve C. wrote: > > > It's possible that the port might just be bad but > it > > may be that something else is using that port and > > blocks printing. For instance, if you have > recently > > configured the IR port for wireless communication > it > > can use the printer port as well as the serial > port. > > I ran into that once with IR. The solution is to > go > > into control panel and disable the lpt port for IR > > communications. If you remove it, windows will > just > > find and install it again next time when you > reboot. > > > > --- STeve Andre' wrote: > > > The first thing I'd do is hook the printer up to > > > another computer, to see > > > if the printer is OK. The second thing would be > to > > > hook up another > > > printer to the suspect computer. Doing those > two > > > things will give > > > you a pretty good clue what's wrong. > > > > > > If both work, then you have one of the just > wondrous > > > spontaneous > > > Windows mess ups, and I'm not sure what is the > best > > > course for > > > that. Off hand, I'd delete every printer in the > > > system--every one-- > > > and then reboot, then add that printer again. > > > > > > If that doesn't work, I'd ask here again and > maybe > > > someone will > > > have an answer. ;-) > > > > > > --STeve Andre' > > > > > > At 06:57 PM 9/1/00 -0700, Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > > > >I don't have a clue as to whether this a > hardware > > > or Win98Se > > > >problem or ??? > > > >Computer/OS: Thinkpad600E, 128mb ram, Win98SE > > > >All of a sudden, when I try to print to my HP > > > LaserJet 1100, I get the > > > >following error message: "There was an error > > > writing to LPT 1: (for > > > >the > > > >Printer HP Laser Jet 1100): There was a problem > > > printing to the > > > >port. Check > > > >to make sure your printer is configured to use > a > > > valid port." > > > >As to the obvious question, yes, it is > configured > > > for LPT 1. The error > > > >occurs whether or not the printer/printer cable > (or > > > ANY printer/cable) > > > >are > > > >attached when attempted to print to that > printer. I > > > have re-installed > > > >the > > > >HP driver software, re-initialized the bios, > and > > > run the bios > > > >diagnostic > > > >check on the port (which says the port is ok). > > > >Any ideas? Thanks much! > > > > > > > > > ===== > > Speedchoice, hell they should call it > Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they > should call > it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from > anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun Sep 3 12:40:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA02411 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:40:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28170; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:40:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:38:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27758; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27745; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ogopogo.flash.net (209.30.2.14 -> ogopogo.flash.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:38:33 -0400 Received: from tomcollins (216-215-76-166.flash.net [216.215.76.166]) by ogopogo.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA14403; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:38:30 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000a01c015ce$29efc6c0$a64cd7d8@tomcollins> From: "wrench" To: "Brad Burean" , "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Re: Paint Job on 560 Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:41:16 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: Sounds great. I wonder how Imron would look on one? That the paint we use on big rigs. It's super high gloss. Not really a paint though, more of a plastic from what I understand. Btw, got the top bezel and installed yesterday. Looks great and the extra stability is fantastic! When mine was removed, it had three messed up screw lands and the gaping hole out left hinge. I let the old one set outside for five minutes and the 560X emblem even the 'Intel Pentium MMX Inside' and 'Designed for Windows' came off without adhesive loss! Like putting in an oven (109 degrees here)! They are all on the new bezel. Thanks! Tom Collins From cph Sun Sep 3 12:48:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA02446 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:48:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00921; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:46:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00346; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00331; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:46:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 12:46:13 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.251.34 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 09:45:29 -0700 Message-ID: <005401c015c6$d22dd1e0$8eb71b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "wrench" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <000a01c015ce$29efc6c0$a64cd7d8@tomcollins> Subject: Re: Paint Job on 560 Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 11:48:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1257" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Imron would work, I just don't think the gloss finish would look good would show finger prints like crazy. Probably would hold up better than anything though! Glad the new bezel worked. It's hot here too. 105 yesterday, 103 today. 2 days last week Lawrence was the hottest place in the nation! Hotter than death valley. Lawrence is 30 miles from me. Booger ----- Original Message ----- From: wrench To: Brad Burean ; Thinkpad Users Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 12:41 PM Subject: Re: Paint Job on 560 > Sounds great. I wonder how Imron would look on one? That the paint we use on > big rigs. It's super high gloss. Not really a paint though, more of a > plastic from what I understand. > > Btw, got the top bezel and installed yesterday. Looks great and the extra > stability is fantastic! When mine was removed, it had three messed up screw > lands and the gaping hole out left hinge. I let the old one set outside for > five minutes and the 560X emblem even the 'Intel Pentium MMX Inside' and > 'Designed for Windows' came off without adhesive loss! Like putting in an > oven (109 degrees here)! > They are all on the new bezel. > > Thanks! > Tom Collins > > From cph Sun Sep 3 13:14:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA02577 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:14:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08841; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:13:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:11:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08490; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:11:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08477; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:11:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:11:44 -0400 Received: from user-37kac2h.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37kac2h.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.48.81]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA29027; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 13:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009031711.NAA29027@granger.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Kernow62@aol.com" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 13:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760 a good computer List-Unsubscribe: 3 year. I don't understand why IBM dropped down to one year. If anything the warrenty period should go up, not down. Allan -still running 2 760's On Sun, 3 Sep 2000 08:03:01 EDT, Kernow62@aol.com wrote: >Was this 760 one of the much touted by the list 3 year machines, or a lowly 1 >year machine like my trusty 380ED? > >If it was a 3 year machine perhaps one ought to consider a 1 year machine. > >Jim. From cph Sun Sep 3 14:19:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA02803 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:19:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20607; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:16:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20419; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20377; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (129.250.36.43 -> dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 14:16:23 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13VeJZ-0002nJ-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 18:16:21 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.12] (helo=isdn30-12.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13VeJY-0006Qs-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 18:16:21 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 760 a good computer Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 13:15:24 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200009031711.NAA29027@granger.mail.mindspring.net> In-Reply-To: <200009031711.NAA29027@granger.mail.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA02804 On Sun, 03 Sep 2000 13:19:45 -0400 (EDT), "Allan Ballard" wrote: >3 year. I don't understand why IBM dropped down >to one year. Wasn't that one of the low end notebooks made by Acer and sold under the IBM name? -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Sun Sep 3 15:57:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA03141 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:57:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25556; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:57:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:54:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25338; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25323; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:54:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 15:54:16 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.195] (helo=139-142-112-195.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13VfpU-0005Bv-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 12:53:24 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: protection from digital phone exchange Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 11:03:23 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <7Bqs54mipFGU092yn@islandnet.com> References: Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: An IBM Home and Away PCMCIA Ethernet card / 14.4 modem costs less than $30 on ebay and contains a "modem saver" (I presume in the case that attaches to the card). I don't know how well this works against digital or PBX stuff. The Ethernet part works well, but can be a bear to install. In article , John Small wrote: >What is the best device for this sort of protection? I have seen a very large >black box for $120 at Fry's. But it is way too large for travel. > >Thanks. > >-jts >ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C > > -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Sun Sep 3 16:04:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA03175 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:04:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26251; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:03:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26093; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26080; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:03:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net (129.250.36.43 -> dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:03:06 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout3.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13Vfyr-0006Ir-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 20:03:05 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.12] (helo=isdn30-12.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13Vfyr-0000Ql-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 20:03:05 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: 760 a good computer Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 15:02:08 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200009031711.NAA29027@granger.mail.mindspring.net> In-Reply-To: <200009031711.NAA29027@granger.mail.mindspring.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA03176 On Sun, 03 Sep 2000 13:19:45 -0400 (EDT), "Allan Ballard" wrote: >>Was this 760 one of the much touted by the list 3 year machines, or a lowly 1 >>year machine like my trusty 380ED? Regarding my prior post that Acer manufactured the computer ... I was referring to the 380ED that has the 1 yr warrenty, not the 760. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Sun Sep 3 17:07:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA03369 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:07:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29638; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:04:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29428; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29418; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:04:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (205.188.157.37 -> imo-d05.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:04:24 -0400 Received: from Kernow62@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id p.e4.9eeff77 (4546); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:04:19 EDT Subject: Re: 760 a good computer To: jtsmall@onramp.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 List-Unsubscribe: In a message dated 09/03/2000 4:07:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jtsmall@onramp.net writes: > Regarding my prior post that Acer manufactured the computer ... I was > referring > to the 380ED that has the 1 yr warrenty, not the 760. Thanks for clarifying that, perhaps that is why I never see anyone having trouble with a 380. ;-) Seriously though, I needed a 3 spindle machine, and it fits my needs. The keyboard has a fairly good feel at least for my less than perfect typing skills. Maybe I should bugger off to an Acer list, before the insults start. Jim. From cph Sun Sep 3 17:28:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA03440 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:28:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00943; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:26:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00684; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00671; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:26:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 17:26:52 -0400 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.30]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000903212650.JSYX17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 21:26:50 +0000 Received: from [24.189.193.217] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:26:50 +0000 To: Cc: jtsmall@onramp.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760 a good computer Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:26:50 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: scosgt@att.net Message-Id: <20000903212650.JSYX17157.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: The 380 id not a bad machine, but it does not have parts compatibility with the 36X/75X/76X series. I have amply stocks of ac adaptors, floppy drives, CD-ROM drives, batterys and memory to keep these machines running for a long time.They also have more advanced features, such as video capture, MPEG hardware decoding, easily interchangable parts, and lousy keyboards! > In a message dated 09/03/2000 4:07:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jtsmall@onramp.net writes: > > > Regarding my prior post that Acer manufactured the computer ... I was > > referring > > to the 380ED that has the 1 yr warrenty, not the 760. > > Thanks for clarifying that, perhaps that is why I never see anyone having > trouble with a 380. ;-) > > Seriously though, I needed a 3 spindle machine, and it fits my needs. The > keyboard has a fairly good feel at least for my less than perfect typing > skills. > > Maybe I should bugger off to an Acer list, before the insults start. > > Jim. From cph Sun Sep 3 18:28:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA03638 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:28:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03915; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:25:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03733; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03719; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:25:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.aros.net (207.173.16.20 -> mail.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:25:14 -0400 Received: from kalynda (dm6-41.slc.aros.net [207.173.24.41]) by mail.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA73202 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 16:25:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200009032225.QAA73202@mail.aros.net> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 16:18:01 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Newbie with a 760E X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: Greetings to all. I recently got what I consider a pretty good deal on a 760E and the docking station and I am very happy with it so far. It is the model that cannot do a CD, but since I knew nothing of what to look for going in, I am fine with just having the CD in the docking station. The HD is 1.4G and right away I would like to upgrade that so that I can setup boot manager and OS/2, with an eye towards removing the W98 down the road. I will be interested to see what kind of features Warp has for the Thinkpad, as I am impressed with the W98 stuff I am seeing. If I may jump right in and ask a question, I would like to understand the HD upgrade paths. Do laptops share the same footprint for HDs? Is it a fair assumption to go into a store and buy a laptop HD and expect it to fit in a Thinkpad? I have read that there are two different heights to deal with, but other than that, will I find it easy to get a larger, generic style drive? I found a 4gig for about $120, but it is described as just a laptop hard drive, so I don't want to just buy it and get dissapointed. I would prefer a larger drive, but around $120 or so is the limit for my wallet right now. Anyway, I am happy to find this list and look forward to sharing information, as soon as I figure out what I actually have purchased :-) Thanks a lot for any help. Regards from Utah, John From cph Sun Sep 3 19:02:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA03753 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:02:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05608; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:02:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:00:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05476; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:00:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05463; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:00:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:00:36 -0400 Received: from tp1480 (adsl-141-152-140-49.bellatlantic.net [141.152.140.49]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA19884; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001301c015fa$c3987610$6401a8c0@tp1480> From: "Jim Biggerstaff" To: , References: <200009032225.QAA73202@mail.aros.net> Subject: Re: Newbie with a 760E Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 19:00:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Notebook drives have pretty much standardized on what is called a 2.5" form factor, which is actually the diameter of the hard disk platter itself. The actual drive is wider. The critical dimension is the thickness of the drive. This dimension has gotten smaller over time as notebooks have gotten thinner. If you get a ruler and measure the thickness of the drive in its caddy you will be able to tell the thickness of the drive after making an allowance for the thickness of the caddy itself. I have a 760EL but am _not_ going to assume your drive's thickness is the same. Notebook drives frequently require a "caddy" to work, this is an enclosure for the drive. You _can_ generally open the caddy and put in a new drive, and then pop it into your Thinkpad. Older Thinkpads can't generally handle the recent very large capacity drives, but as a general rule can go up to (I think) about 6.4 GB, at least in many cases. It would be best to have someone who knows your model verify a successful installation from experience. Chances are that someone in this list can. Remember, it has to be thin enough to fit in the caddy. Go look at www.thinkpads.com (note the plural). The site owner is a frequent and valued contributor to this list. He has a nice section on drives, their thickness, what fits into what model, etc. Note that you can often put a _thinner_ drive than original into your caddy. I've done it with a little "padding" to take up the extra room under the thinner drive. Call it a "shock mounting" :) My first notebook drive was 170MB, I thought it was so cool. I moved up to drives that were a bit larger, and remember running OS/2 with very good results indeed. Good luck, jim ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 6:18 PM Subject: Newbie with a 760E > Greetings to all. > > I recently got what I consider a pretty good deal on a 760E and the > docking station and I am very happy with it so far. It is the model that > cannot do a CD, but since I knew nothing of what to look for going in, I > am fine with just having the CD in the docking station. > > The HD is 1.4G and right away I would like to upgrade that so that I can > setup boot manager and OS/2, with an eye towards removing the W98 down the > road. I will be interested to see what kind of features Warp has for the > Thinkpad, as I am impressed with the W98 stuff I am seeing. > > If I may jump right in and ask a question, I would like to understand the > HD upgrade paths. Do laptops share the same footprint for HDs? Is it a > fair assumption to go into a store and buy a laptop HD and expect it to > fit in a Thinkpad? I have read that there are two different heights to > deal with, but other than that, will I find it easy to get a larger, > generic style drive? > > I found a 4gig for about $120, but it is described as just a laptop hard > drive, so I don't want to just buy it and get dissapointed. I would prefer > a larger drive, but around $120 or so is the limit for my wallet right > now. > > Anyway, I am happy to find this list and look forward to sharing > information, as soon as I figure out what I actually have purchased :-) > > Thanks a lot for any help. > > Regards from Utah, > > John > > From cph Sun Sep 3 20:16:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA04050 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:16:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08284; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:14:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08112; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08097; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:14:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.aros.net (207.173.16.20 -> mail.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 20:14:41 -0400 Received: from kalynda (dm1-36.slc.aros.net [207.173.25.36]) by mail.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA85953 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 18:14:37 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200009040014.SAA85953@mail.aros.net> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 18:08:27 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <39B2DFE6.3CC73B13@theriver.com> Subject: Re: Newbie with a 760E X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: In <39B2DFE6.3CC73B13@theriver.com>, on 09/03/00 at 06:08 PM, James Mckenzie said: >Which model 760E do you have? There is a "thin" model and it will accept >hard drives (with caddy) up to 12.5 mm high (you probably do not need to >worry about this) and a "thick" model which will accept both the CD and a >hard drive up to 17mm high. However, you are "stuck" with a maximum hard >drive size of 6.4GB. You had better hurry as these are not being >manufactured any more, thus are becoming harder and harder to find. I have the thin, older one that cannot accept the CD player. The device is 9546 U4A and the S/N is 78 (yikes!) I would be ecstatic to get a four or six gig drive. That would prove to be all I would need for a laptop. There are several places that have 4 gigs for 'laptops' that are about $120 or so which I could do. I doubt I would pay several hundred dollars for a laptop that I only paid $200 for in the first place :-) When I look under the keyboard, I see no way for a CD player to go in place of the floppy. I know mine is not the thick machine that will accept them, but how does it ever fit in the width department?? Battery smaller? >Most hard drives for laptops manufactured today are based on a "2 and >1/2" form factor and are Enhanced IDE (EIDE). The problem is that IBMs >early hard drives had the 'drive select' pins in the reverse order of >hard drives manufactured today. Uh, this sounds bad for my older 760E. How can I verify this? I have been around the IBM site, but I haven't seen anything about this interesting tidbit. >BTW, I do have a 2.1 GB Extreme drive for sale. Please contact me for >the particulars. Please email me with what you have. I would like to get bigger, but I am not gonna go broke doing it. Thanks to all for the advice. Regards from Utah, John From cph Sun Sep 3 23:03:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA04698 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:03:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA15079; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:02:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:00:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14888; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14874; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:00:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.aros.net (207.173.16.20 -> mail.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:00:37 -0400 Received: from kalynda (dm4-162.slc.aros.net [207.173.25.162]) by mail.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA06968 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 21:00:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200009040300.VAA06968@mail.aros.net> Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 20:42:01 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <39B2F429.42104B0B@theriver.com> Subject: Re: Newbie with a 760E (Docking Station tips) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: >> >I just noticed that you have a "Docking Station". Which one? The Dock >II has two "slots". >The "smaller" Dock I will only accept the IBM built 2X or 4X CD-ROM or a >hard drive installed in the aformentioned hard drive adapter. It also >has a Future Domain (now Adaptec) 850 8 bit, 50 pin (thus the adapter >designation) adapter. Well, its obvious I just bought it all for fun without a lot of checking :) but I only paid $220, so no way I can lose. The dock station is a type 3547-01 made in 96/10 It has the CD player in it, no idea how fast but your 2X or 4X guess seems reasonable. It has all the ports you mentioned, the slots in the back for PC cards, 1 ISA and 2 PCI slots. I don't have any PCMCIA stuff yet, so I have no idea if the are functional. The seller said everything worked. There is a SCSI port, and the parallel, serial, video stuff that is also on the laptop. I just saw the laptop itself on Ebay at $350 and rising and that is without the dock station. Other than that, its exactly what I have, so I guess I did okay. >I had one of those. The only way you are going to get a CD is either a >parallel or PCMCIA (PC Card) external. I would suggest getting a >Backpack parallel port model. OS/2 will support it. I have a backpack parallel somewhere downstairs. I didn't know OS/2 would support it tho. Are there drivers around somewhere that you know of? I am okay with no CD on the laptop for now, but I was just wondering how something that wide fits in the case in the first place? Your explantion makes sense of that. Thanks. > The problem is that IBMs > >early hard drives had the 'drive select' pins in the reverse order of > >hard drives manufactured today. You have to look for the model specifications. All 760's are restricted to a maximum 6.4 GB unless you use a "drive expansion" software package. I recommend against them because the you have to modify the drive's Master Boot Record. Blow up the MBR and you are out the drive's information.... But what do you know about the above mention of the pins not matching up? Is that back to the old, less than one gig devices, or the new 4 to 6 gig jobs? Do you think I can buy one of those and be safe? I see one on Ebay that has a picture and it looks exactly like mine, so I would assume it fits....... I see no need to exceed 6 gigs on what I intend to use it for. I would just like the space so I could copy a few CDs to it for portability. That's why I want to get as big a drive as I can afford, and not have to go bigger until I get a newer laptop. Again, thanks to all for the advice. >You are welcome. BTW the serial number is all of the digits...i.e. >78-XX33. There might be a date next to it. This is the date the system >was built/refurbished by IBM and if it is less than three years old, you >have a warrenty.... Duh! That makes sense. Mine is a 96er. Much obliged, John From cph Sun Sep 3 23:26:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA04804 for ; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:26:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16415; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:24:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16223; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:24:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16210; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:24:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 3 Sep 2000 23:24:27 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.235]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000904032425.IOSN15332.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 03:24:25 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000903232112.00b25100@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 23:21:12 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Newbie with a 760E (Docking Station tips) In-Reply-To: <200009040300.VAA06968@mail.aros.net> References: <39B2F429.42104B0B@theriver.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:42 PM 09/03/2000 -0600, jbrush@aros.net wrote: >I have a backpack parallel somewhere downstairs. I didn't know OS/2 would >support it tho. Are there drivers around somewhere that you know of? > http://www.micro-solutions.com/software_library/index.html From cph Mon Sep 4 03:39:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA05545 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 03:39:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26959; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 03:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 03:35:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26720; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 03:35:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26706; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 03:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 03:34:59 -0400 Received: from tk-laptop (tk-laptop.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.38]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA21483 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 10:34:14 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009040734.KAA21483@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 03 Sep 2000 09:12:59 +0300 Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.90.3000) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Windows ME: Open GL fails List-Unsubscribe: I have tried various OpenGL/Direct3D games under ME, and they all get stuck 5-10 minutes into the game, requiring a complete power-off to get out of: Quake 3, Soldier Of Fortune and a few others. So, go to IBM's site, download the newer video drivers. Windows ME will NOT let me install the Thinkpad A20m driver I downloaded >from our Thinkpad site. It says "this driver is not certified by Micro$oft, so I will not install it." You can't even bypass that warning! Surprise: Certification is a new trick by the "innovation company" and second surprise, I bet certification is NOT free for those companies. Another ploy by the "innovators" to suck more cash out of all of us. Time to reformat and install Linux... :( -turgut ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Mon Sep 4 04:12:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA05631 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 04:12:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29607; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 04:10:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 04:09:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29460; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 04:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29447; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 04:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 04:09:10 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA06432; Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:09:00 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000f01c01647$63323de0$588d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "turgut kalfaoglu" , References: <200009040734.KAA21483@home.egenet.com.tr> Subject: Re: Windows ME: Open GL fails Date: Sun, 3 Sep 2000 22:08:54 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I'm sure that IBM/ATI will release certified drivers for the machine, faster if there is some pressure. Complain to IBM. (Have you checked www.atitech.com for more information?) Linux isn't going to help your problem with Q3 and SOF! - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 8:12 PM Subject: Windows ME: Open GL fails I have tried various OpenGL/Direct3D games under ME, and they all get stuck 5-10 minutes into the game, requiring a complete power-off to get out of: Quake 3, Soldier Of Fortune and a few others. So, go to IBM's site, download the newer video drivers. Windows ME will NOT let me install the Thinkpad A20m driver I downloaded >from our Thinkpad site. It says "this driver is not certified by Micro$oft, so I will not install it." You can't even bypass that warning! Surprise: Certification is a new trick by the "innovation company" and second surprise, I bet certification is NOT free for those companies. Another ploy by the "innovators" to suck more cash out of all of us. Time to reformat and install Linux... :( -turgut ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Mon Sep 4 05:12:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA05870 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 05:12:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03834; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 05:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 05:06:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03671; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 05:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaac.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA03658; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 05:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaac.compuserve.com (149.174.206.136 -> ds-img-3.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 05:06:31 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaac.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id FAA22434; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 05:06:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 05:06:02 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Maxtor 105Mb type3 pcmcia ata weirdness Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: "INTERNET:BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net" Cc: thinkpad Message-ID: <200009040506_MC2-B211-2E17@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA05871 Yes, I too have a Type III PCMCIA HDD a Viper 170E (170Mb). I actually was given it for nowt as it has 6Kb of Bad sectors, *BUT* works perfectly and requires no special drivers for use in my Thinkpad 755CX or my Toshiba Tecra ! The Thinkpad will boot from it to, when setup in EasySetup to do so. A very useful tool for transfering data between laptops. I have 2 x 10Mb ATA Flash cards that work equally as faultlessly. However, my 2Mb SRAM card will not show up as a drive letter on my ThinkPad, not matter what settings, drivers (DOS and Win) I add...?? A shame, as I have a DOS palmtop that uses the SRAM card and it would be good to be able to tranfer to and from that. Cheers Mark From cph Mon Sep 4 11:08:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA07007 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:08:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22651; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:08:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:05:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22472; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:05:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22454; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:05:42 -0400 Received: from tk-laptop (tk-laptop.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.38]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA14476 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:04:57 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009041504.SAA14476@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 18:05:23 +0300 Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.90.3000) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Thinkpad A20m in cars List-Unsubscribe: Hi there. I noticed that thinkpad a20m requires 16 volts.. Is there a way of connecting it to a car's cigarette lighter? Thanks, -turgut ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Mon Sep 4 12:10:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA07230 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:10:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25768; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:08:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25573; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25559; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:08:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:08:38 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA03456; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:08:37 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA21029; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:08:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000904083444.0283a1a8@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 08:37:04 -0700 To: "turgut kalfaoglu" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Thinkpad A20m in cars In-Reply-To: <200009041504.SAA14476@home.egenet.com.tr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 06:05 PM 9/4/2000 +0300, you wrote: >Hi there. I noticed that thinkpad a20m requires 16 volts.. Is there a way >of connecting it to a car's cigarette lighter? All you need is the appropriate adapter. I have a couple of them that work with various laptops (including my TP600 and T20). All it needs is to have the appropriate voltage output, be able to deliver enough Amps, and have the right physical connector. Cost is typically $80 to $100-ish (or more, if you like to spend $). From cph Mon Sep 4 12:23:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA07327 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:23:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27139; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:21:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26931; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:21:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26915; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:21:47 -0400 Received: from davidreidmob (tnt10-216-180-65-114.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.114]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e84GLi732187 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:21:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <009b01c0168c$289bb720$7241b4d8@davidreidmob> From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: TP - Off topic - Logging onto NT network Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:21:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Anyone know any good reading sites for connecting a Windows 98se machine (Thinkpad) to an NT server? I keep recieving password not recognized and cannot map the NT machine's drive. However, from the NT machine, I can access the 98 machine. My user profile (name, login and password) has been setup on the NT but unknown if it "took". Thanks List From cph Mon Sep 4 12:30:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA07360 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:30:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28083; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:29:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:28:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27706; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:28:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27693; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:28:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (198.144.205.90 -> m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:28:08 -0400 Received: from 172.16.74.1 by NewPad ([172.16.74.1] running VPOP3) with ESMTP; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 09:28:16 -0700 From: "Michael Geary" To: , Subject: RE: Newbie with a 760E Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 09:28:16 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <200009040014.SAA85953@mail.aros.net> X-Server: VPOP3 V1.4.0b - Registered List-Unsubscribe: > When I look under the keyboard, I see no way for a CD player to go in > place of the floppy. I know mine is not the thick machine that will accept > them, but how does it ever fit in the width department?? Battery smaller? The CD-ROM drive has a thick part that is about the same size as the floppy drive and sits down in the floppy bay, plus a thin part at the top that sticks out to the right. This thin part fits above the battery in the "thick" 760's. And that's the thick and the thin of it. -Mike From cph Mon Sep 4 12:58:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA07494 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:58:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00085; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:57:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:56:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29902; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:56:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29889; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:56:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:56:27 -0400 Received: from 701c ([12.73.250.155]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000904165624.OPCP13787.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@701c> for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 16:56:24 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c01690$b1026600$9bfa490c@701c> From: "rudolph wratten" To: Subject: Modem protection Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 11:53:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hello. The most common problem with " Digital " PABX lines is, Reduced resistance from terminating point, and increased loadshare signaling waveform ' stronger signal than norm ' An easy way to fix this is with a set of veristors in series with the loop ' the line '. If one also incorporates a R.F. choke, this will solve most traveling problems. The device CAN be built into a standard telephone jack, indeed, several hotels have 'phones with a protected modem jack, you can also get an old USOC network protector, the latest ones are smaller than the power supply for the 701C/CS. You can also build some protection into the modem itself. ZOOMguard, modemsaver, lineguard, travLgard. all trade names for the same basic idea. I feel that a line protection plan of some sort, above the standard gas discharge protection provided by the telco is a good idea, after all, discharge point is around 200 volts, and rise time is real slow. From cph Mon Sep 4 14:23:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA07997 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:23:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04188; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:20:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04021; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop5.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04008; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop5.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.5 -> pop.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:20:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 23733 invoked by alias); 4 Sep 2000 18:20:34 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 23715 invoked by uid 0); 4 Sep 2000 18:20:34 -0000 Received: from sttl6400gw3poola16.sttl.uswest.net (HELO jmcjr) (63.225.173.16) by pop.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 4 Sep 2000 18:20:34 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000904093907.00931100@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 09:39:07 -0700 To: jbrush@aros.net, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Not Me Subject: Re: Newbie with a 760E In-Reply-To: <200009032225.QAA73202@mail.aros.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I upgraded my 760E thin model to a 6.4GB hard drive a couple of years ago. I used an IBM TravelStar drive that I bought from Egghead/OnSale for just over $200. You need a drive no thicker than 12.5mm. The 17mm thick hard drives will not fit in the "thin" models of the 760 series. I used an Apricorn PCMCIA card and Apricorn software that I had from a previous hard drive installation to format and partition the drive and transfer the operating system and all applications programs and data files to the new hard drive. I then put the drive in my existing caddy and installed it in the 760E. The drives has worked flawlessly. At first I didn't know what to do with all the space, I had just tripled my hard disk capacity. Now, of course, the drive is nearly full. There's a sort of Parkinson's law of disk capacity. At 04:18 PM 9/3/2000 -0600, jbrush@aros.net wrote: >Greetings to all. > >I recently got what I consider a pretty good deal on a 760E and the >docking station and I am very happy with it so far. It is the model that >cannot do a CD, but since I knew nothing of what to look for going in, I >am fine with just having the CD in the docking station. > >The HD is 1.4G and right away I would like to upgrade that so that I can >setup boot manager and OS/2, with an eye towards removing the W98 down the >road. I will be interested to see what kind of features Warp has for the >Thinkpad, as I am impressed with the W98 stuff I am seeing. > >If I may jump right in and ask a question, I would like to understand the >HD upgrade paths. Do laptops share the same footprint for HDs? Is it a >fair assumption to go into a store and buy a laptop HD and expect it to >fit in a Thinkpad? I have read that there are two different heights to >deal with, but other than that, will I find it easy to get a larger, >generic style drive? > >I found a 4gig for about $120, but it is described as just a laptop hard >drive, so I don't want to just buy it and get dissapointed. I would prefer >a larger drive, but around $120 or so is the limit for my wallet right >now. > >Anyway, I am happy to find this list and look forward to sharing >information, as soon as I figure out what I actually have purchased :-) > >Thanks a lot for any help. > >Regards from Utah, > >John > > > > From cph Mon Sep 4 15:58:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA08431 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 15:58:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08606; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 15:58:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 15:56:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08417; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 15:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08404; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 15:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlas.dnai.com (207.181.194.95 -> atlas.dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 15:56:11 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by atlas.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA23942; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BlackBird (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA85492; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 12:56:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004001c016aa$d1830550$0c11a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "David Reid" , "ThinkPad-L" References: <009b01c0168c$289bb720$7241b4d8@davidreidmob> Subject: Re: TP - Off topic - Logging onto NT network Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 13:00:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: There is a hidden trick to this.... (Save this message, you will need it again at some point!) There are two ways to connect a Windows 98 machine to an NT Server: workgroup and domain. The workgroup method is the default, which is problematic as you have discovered. If you have a Windows Domain set up, (and you should, since you have an NT Server), you can switch to using the Domain method. This method is, of course, hidden by the Microsoft User Interface police. Here is the trick: 1. Boot once without logging on. Right-click on the Network Neighborhood icon on the Desktop and choose Properties... You should see a tabbed dialog with three tabs called Configuration, Identification and Access Control. Under Configuration, the default, you should see a list "The following network components are installed:" The list on my computer reads: "Client for Microsoft Networks, 3Com fast...., Dial-Up Adapter, TCP/IP _> 3Com..., TCP/IP -> Dial-Up adapter" If you don't see a list that looks similar, then that was part of your problem and should be fixed. You ONLY care about TCP/IP as a protocol both on here and at the Server. All the other wacky protocols are for strange legacy systems and can be ignored or removed, once everything is cool. 2. Left-Click on Client for Microsoft Networks to select it and then click on the Properties button below. You should see a dialog called Client for Microsoft Networks Properties with a single tab called General. The tab is split in two and the top part is Logon Validation. 3. Click on "Log on to Windows NT Domain" to select it and enter your Windows Domain name in the box below. Leave the default Logon and restore Network connections selected in the lower panel. 4. Click OK and OK and then restart. 5. After restart, you should now see a new three part login Dialog with your User name (remembered), password (blank) and the Domain Name (remembered). 6. Enter your password and be happy. David ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 9:21 AM Subject: TP - Off topic - Logging onto NT network > Anyone know any good reading sites for connecting a Windows 98se machine > (Thinkpad) to an NT server? > > I keep recieving password not recognized and cannot map the NT machine's > drive. However, from the NT machine, I can access the 98 machine. > > My user profile (name, login and password) has been setup on the NT but > unknown if it "took". > > Thanks List > > From cph Mon Sep 4 16:36:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA08613 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 16:36:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10667; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 16:36:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 16:35:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10522; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 16:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10506; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 16:34:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.aros.net (207.173.16.20 -> mail.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 16:34:59 -0400 Received: from kalynda (dm1-1.slc.aros.net [207.173.25.1]) by mail.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA21232 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 14:34:56 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200009042034.OAA21232@mail.aros.net> Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 14:30:35 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000904093907.00931100@pop.goamerica.net> Subject: Newbie with a 760E, again X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: No problems getting the parallel cable to my desktop for sharing files, but I am not succeeding in using the printer on my desktop, from the laptop. I have enable sharing files and printers, but I am not finding the way to tell the laptop to send to the printer on the other end of the parallel cable. The port works okay directly to the printer, but has no idea that there is one on the desktop connection. Is there something obvious I am forgetting to do. Until I get a PCMCIA card for networking, the parallel cable with have to do, if I can get to the printer :) Thanks for any ideas, and for the help with my hard drive. I have asked Bill at Thinkpads.com to let me know which of his 4 to 6 gig devices will work in my 760E 9546 U4A. I know my way around the desktop PC, but laptops are a whole new game. I look forward to learning it. :) Regards from Utah, John From cph Mon Sep 4 18:54:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA09417 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:54:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18082; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:50:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17857; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:50:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17843; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:50:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.161 -> gtei2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:50:30 -0400 Received: from WALD7 (adsl-141-155-114-58.bellatlantic.net [141.155.114.58]) by gtei2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA20068 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:50:13 -0400 (EDT) From: "William Armstrong" To: "TP List" Subject: RE: Thinkpad A20m in cars Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:53:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000904083444.0283a1a8@pop3.iceka.com> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I have a couple of these. TARGUS makes one, as does at least one other company. Nice thing about them is that they generally include an Empower adapter as well. Either the Empower or the Auto adapter can be used on many airplanes (usually First and Business Class, and occasionally Coach). These devices generally will work for most of the major manufacturer's laptops using a collection of end connectors that come in the package. Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@usa.net] Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 11:37 AM To: turgut kalfaoglu; TP List Subject: Re: Thinkpad A20m in cars At 06:05 PM 9/4/2000 +0300, you wrote: >Hi there. I noticed that thinkpad a20m requires 16 volts.. Is there a way >of connecting it to a car's cigarette lighter? All you need is the appropriate adapter. I have a couple of them that work with various laptops (including my TP600 and T20). All it needs is to have the appropriate voltage output, be able to deliver enough Amps, and have the right physical connector. Cost is typically $80 to $100-ish (or more, if you like to spend $). From cph Mon Sep 4 20:16:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA10074 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:16:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22079; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:12:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21902; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:12:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21889; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:12:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (149.174.206.155 -> ds-img-rel-2.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:12:48 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id UAA04104 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Sender: wchaga@compuserve.com Received: from FH6616.compuserve.com (chi-tgn-guw-vty41.as.wcom.net [216.192.139.41]) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA04083 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000904200451.01a44510@pop.compuserve.com> X-Sender: wchaga@pop.compuserve.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:12:31 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "William C. Haga" Subject: Windows 2000 hibernate and standby problems solved Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: The conclusions from my not able to hibernate or standby with my A20p running Windows 2000: 1. Service pack 1 for W2K was not the problem. All's well with SP1. 2. McAfee Antivirus was not the problem, certainly not running version 5.1 which is certified for W2K. 3. The problem was Pretty Good Privacy, an earlier version that came with McAfee Antivirus Deluxe. Once it was removed, standby and hibernate were working again. I have not tried the newest version of Pretty Good Privacy from the McAfee website. It says that it will work with W2K. It's not my top priority to try it. Someday I will. From cph Mon Sep 4 20:28:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA10158 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:28:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22997; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:27:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:26:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22870; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22855; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmraab.compuserve.com (149.174.206.155 -> ds-img-rel-2.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:26:00 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) id UAA06248 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Sender: wchaga@compuserve.com Received: from FH6616.compuserve.com (chi-tgn-guw-vty41.as.wcom.net [216.192.139.41]) by spdmraab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-REL-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA06236 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 20:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000904201237.01a44890@pop.compuserve.com> X-Sender: wchaga@pop.compuserve.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:25:46 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "William C. Haga" Subject: Windows 2000: Dial-up connection passwords not saved Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Windows 2000 with Service Pack 1 installed: Every time I try to save a password on a Dial-up connection, it doesn't save it. Instead, it retrieves this sixteen-character password from somewhere, and presents that as the saved password. Trying to change it under Control Panel -> Internet Options -> Connections doesn't do it, either. That sixteen-character string keeps coming back. Since it's a password, the sixteen-character string just shows up as sixteen asterisks, and I don't know what the string is. I've checked Microsoft's site for insight, and there is quite a history of problems saving passwords in Dial-up connections, ever since W95. For W95 and W98, there's quite a few methods outlined to deal with the problem, >from reinstalling Dial-Up Networking to changing registry data. But for Windows 2000, all I see is "make sure that Client for Microsoft Networks is installed and enabled". I've done that.... at least it shows up in the Properties of the Dial-up connection as installed and checked. I've tried uninstalling and installing the Client. No change. Windows 2000 seems to have changed password handling. There aren't any *.pwl files anymore, as far as I can tell. So.... anybody have any ideas? From cph Mon Sep 4 22:00:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA10708 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:00:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27468; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:57:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27305; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:57:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27292; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:57:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:57:23 -0400 Received: from user-38ld7se.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld7se.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.159.142]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA15626; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 21:57:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009050157.VAA15626@granger.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "William C. Haga" Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 22:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000904201237.01a44890@pop.compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Windows 2000: Dial-up connection passwords not saved List-Unsubscribe: This has been a bug since DUN first replaced RAS by M$. On Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:25:46 -0400, William C. Haga wrote: >Windows 2000 with Service Pack 1 installed: Every time I try to save a >password on a Dial-up connection, it doesn't save it. Instead, it retrieves >this sixteen-character password from somewhere, and presents that as the >saved password. Trying to change it under Control Panel -> Internet Options >-> Connections doesn't do it, either. That sixteen-character string keeps >coming back. Since it's a password, the sixteen-character string just shows >up as sixteen asterisks, and I don't know what the string is. From cph Mon Sep 4 22:08:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA10751 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:08:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28301; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:05:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28109; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0k.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28073; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0k.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.40 -> www0k.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:05:22 -0400 Received: (qmail 22617 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Sep 2000 02:05:20 -0000 Message-ID: <20000905020520.22616.qmail@www0k.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.40 by www0k for [24.163.172.50] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Tue Sep 5 02:05:20 GMT 2000 Date: 4 Sep 00 21:05:20 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "David Reid" , "ThinkPad-L" Subject: Re: TP - Off topic - Logging onto NT network X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA10752 Make sure that you have a local user set up on the NT server that matches the user name that you are logged into Win98 with. Then give the appropriate permissions to that user ID for any NT shares that you want. When you attempt to connect with the Win98 machine, you will need to use the password that you set up on the NT machine. For more info, do a DejaNews (http://www.dejanews.com/usenet) search on microsoft.* newsgroups or try http://support.microsoft.com to search the MS Knowledge Base. HTH, Rob "David Reid" wrote: > Anyone know any good reading sites for connecting a Windows 98se machine > (Thinkpad) to an NT server? > > I keep recieving password not recognized and cannot map the NT machine's > drive. However, from the NT machine, I can access the 98 machine. > > My user profile (name, login and password) has been setup on the NT but > unknown if it "took". > > Thanks List ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Mon Sep 4 22:08:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA10755 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:08:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28305; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:05:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28111; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:05:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28077; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:05:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.212 -> wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 22:05:22 -0400 Received: (qmail 16870 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Sep 2000 02:05:21 -0000 Message-ID: <20000905020521.16869.qmail@wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.212 by wwcst212 for [24.163.172.50] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Tue Sep 5 02:05:21 GMT 2000 Date: 4 Sep 00 21:05:21 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "David Reid" , "ThinkPad-L" Subject: Re: TP - Off topic - Logging onto NT network X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id WAA10756 Make sure that you have a local user set up on the NT server that matches the user name that you are logged into Win98 with. Then give the appropriate permissions to that user ID for any NT shares that you want. When you attempt to connect with the Win98 machine, you will need to use the password that you set up on the NT machine. For more info, do a DejaNews (http://www.dejanews.com/usenet) search on microsoft.* newsgroups or try http://support.microsoft.com to search the MS Knowledge Base. HTH, Rob "David Reid" wrote: > Anyone know any good reading sites for connecting a Windows 98se machine > (Thinkpad) to an NT server? > > I keep recieving password not recognized and cannot map the NT machine's > drive. However, from the NT machine, I can access the 98 machine. > > My user profile (name, login and password) has been setup on the NT but > unknown if it "took". > > Thanks List ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Mon Sep 4 23:07:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA11135 for ; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:07:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02023; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:04:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01854; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01839; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:04:30 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id XAA05076; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:04:28 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id XAA27869; Mon, 4 Sep 2000 23:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000904200139.0285f0c8@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:04:02 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Windows 2000: Dial-up connection passwords not saved In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000904201237.01a44890@pop.compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: After all this...did you bother to just let it be and try dialing up? Works for me. :-) Perhaps you guessed by now that regardless of what your dial-up password is, Win2K will show you 16 asterisks for it. - Randy At 08:25 PM 9/4/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Windows 2000 with Service Pack 1 installed: Every time I try to save a >password on a Dial-up connection, it doesn't save it. Instead, it >retrieves this sixteen-character password from somewhere, and presents >that as the saved password. Trying to change it under Control Panel -> >Internet Options -> Connections doesn't do it, either. That >sixteen-character string keeps coming back. Since it's a password, the >sixteen-character string just shows up as sixteen asterisks, and I don't >know what the string is. > >I've checked Microsoft's site for insight, and there is quite a history of >problems saving passwords in Dial-up connections, ever since W95. For W95 >and W98, there's quite a few methods outlined to deal with the problem, >from reinstalling Dial-Up Networking to changing registry data. But for >Windows 2000, all I see is "make sure that Client for Microsoft Networks >is installed and enabled". I've done that.... at least it shows up in the >Properties of the Dial-up connection as installed and checked. I've tried >uninstalling and installing the Client. No change. > >Windows 2000 seems to have changed password handling. There aren't any >*.pwl files anymore, as far as I can tell. So.... anybody have any ideas? > > From cph Tue Sep 5 11:59:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA15389 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:59:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18851; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:54:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18448; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate.rsb.ro (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18430; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:53:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gate.rsb.ro (194.102.189.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Sep 2000 11:53:55 -0400 Received: from cec.ro (mail.cec.ro [194.102.189.5]) by gate.rsb.ro (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA12248 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 18:50:08 +0300 Received: from [10.52.6.74] (HELO tran) by cec.ro (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.2) with SMTP id 1156371 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 05 Sep 2000 18:48:20 +0300 Message-ID: <035e01c01688$459ffc90$4a06340a@cec.ro> From: "Radu Harabula" To: Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 18:53:29 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_035B_01C016A1.6A1D6170" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro* This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_035B_01C016A1.6A1D6170 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable subscribe ------=_NextPart_000_035B_01C016A1.6A1D6170 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0364_01C016A7.EEB0D650-- From cph Tue Sep 5 17:48:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA18545 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:48:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20860; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:46:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:44:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20360; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20343; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (216.101.175.230 -> smtp.innovisions.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Sep 2000 17:44:04 -0400 Received: by mailsf.innoventry.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:40:35 -0700 Message-ID: <818E2295B394D211BF1B0008C709553E01DCC0FF@mailsf.innoventry.com> From: Mitchell Yee To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: OT: source for a replacement key for my Trackpoint 2 keyboard Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 14:40:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I'm searching for a replacement Q key for my Trackpoint 2 Keyboard (ibm model M025383 or M13). So far, www.pckeyboard.com can't help. Maybe someone in thinkpad land has a pointer? I suppose I could try IBM.... thanks, Mitchell From cph Tue Sep 5 23:41:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA20660 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:41:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13367; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:40:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:37:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13149; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA13135; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:37:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:37:13 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-150.gate.net [199.227.20.213]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA165194 for ; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 23:37:05 -0400 Message-ID: <39B5BC13.E55D5028@gate.net> Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 23:37:55 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: it sure is quiet here, OR there is something amiss..! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Wed Sep 6 01:26:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA21182 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:26:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17637; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:23:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17470; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17456; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:23:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:23:19 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA12085; Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:23:12 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001001c017c2$8ff70a00$ce5b183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "ThinkPad List" References: <39B5BC13.E55D5028@gate.net> Subject: Re: it sure is quiet here, OR there is something amiss..! Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:23:14 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Well, there is definitely something amiss - I just checked prices for the kind of EDO RAM that the 560 family (and many other Thinkpads) uses, and discovered that it is selling for approximately twice what I paid last time I bought a module. (The Viking 64meg module that I bought for $120 around 2 years ago is now well over $240.) If that isn't something amiss, I don't know what is:-) I have a 'new' 560X on its way - I guess it won't be upgraded to 96 meg after all... - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morrow" To: "ThinkPad List" Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:37 PM Subject: it sure is quiet here, OR there is something amiss..! -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Wed Sep 6 01:44:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA21256 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:44:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18583; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:42:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:40:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18413; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18400; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:40:38 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-150.gate.net [199.227.20.213]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA141824; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 01:40:28 -0400 Message-ID: <39B5D8FE.B98A4F75@gate.net> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 01:41:19 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: it sure is quiet here, OR there is something amiss..! References: <39B5BC13.E55D5028@gate.net> <001001c017c2$8ff70a00$ce5b183f@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David.. i have been warning for months that memory was rising in general and was expected to do so until the new year.. and that EDO memory was going up faster.. reason being (EDO only) is that many manufacturers are or have switched to making SDRAM.. lower supply = higher prices.. my last price list from apricorn the 64meg part for a 560 was $219.. nothing amiss, no mischief afoot, merely the marketplace doing what it does.. same forces that acted to bring prices down are now doing the opposite.. :-) David Ross wrote: > Well, there is definitely something amiss - I just checked prices for > the kind of EDO RAM that the 560 > family (and many other Thinkpads) uses, and discovered that it is > selling for approximately twice what I > paid last time I bought a module. (The Viking 64meg module that I > bought for $120 around 2 years > ago is now well over $240.) If that isn't something amiss, I don't know > what is:-) I have a 'new' > 560X on its way - I guess it won't be upgraded to 96 meg after all... > > - David R. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill Morrow" > To: "ThinkPad List" > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:37 PM > Subject: it sure is quiet here, OR there is something amiss..! > > -- > --- > > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > sic transit gloria -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Wed Sep 6 03:41:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA21641 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 03:41:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24676; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 03:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 03:38:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24427; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 03:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA24414; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 03:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (130.133.1.48 -> mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 03:37:58 -0400 Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.zedat.fu-berlin.de (130.133.1.46) with esmtp id ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:37:57 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:37:56 +0200 From: Christoph Eyrich To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP 240 with Crusoe ... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: According to The Register http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/1/13045.html there will be a Crusoe-powered TP 240 by the end of the year. Christoph Eyrich From cph Wed Sep 6 07:41:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA22550 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:41:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08601; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:40:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:38:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08411; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08397; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (129.250.36.41 -> dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:38:07 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13WdWn-00016i-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:38:05 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.16] (helo=isdn30-16.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13WdWn-0002hA-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:38:05 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: it sure is quiet here, OR there is something amiss..! Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 06:36:45 -0500 Message-ID: References: <39B5BC13.E55D5028@gate.net> <001001c017c2$8ff70a00$ce5b183f@math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <001001c017c2$8ff70a00$ce5b183f@math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id HAA22551 On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:23:14 -1000, "David Ross" wrote: >bought for $120 around 2 years >ago is now well over $240.) If the X takes the same module as the 560 ... I purchased 64megs from CDW for $175 last week. It is marked IBM memory. That was the least price I saw from a quick review of the sites I normally check. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Wed Sep 6 09:54:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA23150 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:54:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23787; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:51:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23467; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:51:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from parkergrp.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA23453; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:51:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from parkergrp.com (207.228.85.19) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:51:02 -0400 Received: from baler.parkergrp.com ([192.168.50.201]) by gateway.parkergrp.com with ESMTP id <119041>; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:51:22 -0600 Received: by BALER with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:49:45 -0600 Message-ID: <6B1B49AEF4DBD311B06800508B8FABF10EE7A2@BALER> From: "Kubik, Richard" To: "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: TP 755 battery Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 07:49:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I just bought a used type 9545, which runs fine on AC, but the fuel panel says "no battery installed", even though ther is one in there. Checvked the manual and confirmed presence of battery. Does this mean it's dead or needs replacing, or is it just not installed/charged properly? Thanks in advance from a no-knowledge desktop-drivin' newbie. From cph Wed Sep 6 10:00:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA23193 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:00:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24585; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:58:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24405; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:58:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA24392; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:58:44 -0400 Received: from denhall (hi1hwl2-161.ismi.net [207.51.181.94]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id JAA29030; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 09:58:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004601c0180a$feea9560$6eb433cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "Kubik, Richard" , "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: Re: TP 755 battery Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:01:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Richard, >I just bought a used type 9545, which runs fine on AC, but the fuel panel >says "no battery installed", even though ther is one in there. Checvked the >manual and confirmed presence of battery. Does this mean it's dead or needs >replacing, or is it just not installed/charged properly? it's a bad battery. You can usually get an idea age by finding the date code....it's on the side that faces up when in the laptop, just above the upper right border of printer sticker that's on battery. Embossed into the plastic is the date of production, usually... I have some Hypercharger/Conditioners available that can sometimes recover life from those batteries... but not in most cases. I'd be willing to try it for you if you'd like to ship me the battery and give it a "shot"..... Have a Great Day, Denis Hall, Michigan From cph Wed Sep 6 10:46:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA23600 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:46:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00048; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:45:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:43:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29790; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29764; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 10:43:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (turgut@localhost) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA07499; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:42:16 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:42:16 +0300 (EET DST) From: Turgut Kalfaoglu To: Denis Hall cc: "Kubik, Richard" , "'THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU'" Subject: Re: TP 755 battery In-Reply-To: <004601c0180a$feea9560$6eb433cf@denhall> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: If you are electronically inclined, you can take apart a battery (using an xacto knife or something), and replace the individual cells. I think they are made by panasonic.. -turgut ----- Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Wed Sep 6 12:54:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA24595 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:54:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12617; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:46:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12115; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12095; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.13 -> mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:46:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 62341 invoked by alias); 6 Sep 2000 16:46:45 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 62293 invoked by uid 0); 6 Sep 2000 16:46:44 -0000 Received: from zdialup84.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (216.160.11.85) by mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 6 Sep 2000 16:46:44 -0000 Message-ID: <003901c01822$228d63a0$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "David Ross" , , "ThinkPad List" References: <001001c017c2$8ff70a00$ce5b183f@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: RAM prices (was Re: it sure is quiet here, OR there is something amiss..!) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 11:47:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Some prices from Crucial.com's web site: 560/560E/560X/560Z 32MB:$89.99 64MB:$227.69 (ouch!) 600X 32MB:$47.69 64MB:$77.39 128MB:$149.39 256MB:$386.99 How odd that the prices are so different. Crucial is owned by Micron and is a RAM OEM for many companies. I have purchased memory from them before (but not for a ThinkPad), and found their products and service to be very good. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ross" > Well, there is definitely something amiss - I just checked prices for > the kind of EDO RAM that the 560 > family (and many other Thinkpads) uses, and discovered that it is > selling for approximately twice what I > paid last time I bought a module. (The Viking 64meg module that I > bought for $120 around 2 years > ago is now well over $240.) If that isn't something amiss, I don't know > what is:-) I have a 'new' > 560X on its way - I guess it won't be upgraded to 96 meg after all... > > - David R. From cph Wed Sep 6 12:58:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA24625 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:58:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13153; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:52:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12575; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:52:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12562; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:52:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:52:30 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-292.gate.net [199.227.173.38]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28250; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:52:08 -0400 Message-ID: <39B67664.3C7F23E8@gate.net> Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 12:52:52 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: David Ross , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: RAM prices (was Re: it sure is quiet here, OR there is something amiss..!) References: <001001c017c2$8ff70a00$ce5b183f@math.hawaii.edu> <003901c01822$228d63a0$1000a8c0@cschumann> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well, ok.. for now, until the old stock gets sold, i can sell 64meg EDO for $165.. Chris Schumann wrote: > Some prices from Crucial.com's web site: > 560/560E/560X/560Z 32MB:$89.99 64MB:$227.69 (ouch!) > 600X 32MB:$47.69 64MB:$77.39 128MB:$149.39 256MB:$386.99 > > How odd that the prices are so different. > > Crucial is owned by Micron and is a RAM OEM for many companies. > > I have purchased memory from them before (but not for a ThinkPad), > and found their products and service to be very good. > > Chris > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Ross" > > > Well, there is definitely something amiss - I just checked prices for > > the kind of EDO RAM that the 560 > > family (and many other Thinkpads) uses, and discovered that it is > > selling for approximately twice what I > > paid last time I bought a module. (The Viking 64meg module that I > > bought for $120 around 2 years > > ago is now well over $240.) If that isn't something amiss, I don't know > > what is:-) I have a 'new' > > 560X on its way - I guess it won't be upgraded to 96 meg after all... > > > > - David R. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Wed Sep 6 14:39:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA25533 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:39:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23174; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:35:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:28:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22292; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:28:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22272; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:28:39 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA13667 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:28:35 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001f01c01830$475c44e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad List" References: <001001c017c2$8ff70a00$ce5b183f@math.hawaii.edu> <003901c01822$228d63a0$1000a8c0@cschumann> Subject: Re: RAM prices (was Re: it sure is quiet here, OR there is something amiss..!) Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 08:28:39 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks all for the pointers; I did in fact know that a 64MB module could be had for less than the $200+ I'd mentioned for the Viking, I mainly just wanted to remark on how much more memory is now. (When I bought my last module, generic ones could be had for under $100). What I think I will do (if/when the new machine arives) is swap chips with my other one, creating a 96MB 560X and a 40MB 560, the latter to be only used for email and basic WP for my wife while she is on the road. Then - if it doesn't run satisfactorily, or my wife decides she wants NT on the machine - I'll more seriously consider the memory upgrade. - David R. From cph Wed Sep 6 15:06:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA25790 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:06:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26013; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:01:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25561; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:01:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scribe.pobox.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25548; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scribe.pobox.com (208.210.124.35 -> scribe.pobox.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:01:46 -0400 Received: from compulsion (cr502370-a.rchmd1.bc.wave.home.com [24.113.42.62]) by scribe.pobox.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 067F73258B for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006a01c01834$df7ab1e0$1500a8c0@rchmd1.bc.wave.home.com> From: "Jeff Macht" To: References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000904200451.01a44510@pop.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Windows 2000 hibernate and standby problems solved Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 12:01:30 -0700 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: ----- Original Message ----- From: "William C. Haga" > > I have not tried the newest version of Pretty Good Privacy from the McAfee > website. It says that it will work with W2K. It's not my top priority to > try it. Someday I will. > > Don't bother until version seven; 6.5.x still doesn't work. If you don't need PGPDisk, you can just install the other bits and it should work fine, though, as that component is the cause of the problem. Jeff. From cph Wed Sep 6 15:37:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA26121 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:37:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28988; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:36:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:31:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28496; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28483; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.212 -> wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 15:31:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 9078 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Sep 2000 19:31:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000906193147.9077.qmail@wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.212 by wwcst212 for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Wed Sep 6 19:31:47 GMT 2000 Date: 6 Sep 00 14:31:47 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Questions on 600X and Win2000 X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA26122 I recently acquired a 600X, which I promptly set up with Windows 2000. Overall the installation and setup was very easy. I have a couple of questions about things that don't seem right. If anyone has Win2K and 600X experience I would appreciate feedback: - When Win2K is running and I close the lid, when I open it later sometimes the network connection doesn't work. The network connection is TCP/IP via an older Xircom 10Mbs CreditCard Ethernet PC-card. I have to 'disable' then 'enable' the connection for it to come back. Is 'standby' causing this driver problem? - Using Fn-F3 does not work to turn off the screen. - [for those of you that might use Seti@Home] What's the best way to set up a ThinkPad for running Seti@Home so I can close the lid and still keep processing (but still have the LCD go off)? Thanks in advance! Rob rbell1 _at_ netscape.net ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Wed Sep 6 17:24:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA27055 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:24:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07516; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:24:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:17:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06982; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06964; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:17:56 -0400 Received: from machine3 ([12.78.195.49]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000906211754.ZBMH13787.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@machine3> for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:17:54 +0000 Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000906165501.02e0ef00@free-music.com> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Ken's Useful eMail Suite v5.1 Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 17:13:32 -0400 To: Thinkpad list From: Ken Subject: [TP770ED] Modem (IFSMGR) keeps crashing, Win95 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Hi - I'm running Win95 OSR2 on a Thinkpad 770ED. I have a persistent problem when connected to the internet via Dial Up Networking. At some point during my session (maybe after a couple of hours, maybe within the first 2 minutes), when an application makes an attempt to connect to something (maybe for the first time, maybe for the 90th time), I'll get a blue screen, with the following error: "An exception 0E has occurred at 0028: C0027092 in VxD IFSMGR(01)+000038FE. This was called from 0028:c10435c0 in VxD PPPMAC(01)+00004610. It may be possible to continue working." From that point on, no application can access the modem until I reboot the machine. Sometimes the application that made the attempt immediately closes. PPPMAC.VXD: Version 4.00.953, 8/24/96 IFSMGR.VXD: Version 4.00.1111 8/24/96 Does anyone know where to start tracking down the source of this problem? Would I benefit from updating these drivers from somewhere? I'm not sure if it's related, but I've been having a problem on startup lately: I get "Starting Windows 95", the audio driver loads, "Hibernation file already present," and then, within a few seconds, the screen goes completely blank and the computer restarts. I have to try a few times until this doesn't happen, and the OS loads completely without a sudden restart. Any thoughts on this one? Thanks infinitely! - Ken kenzo@free-music.com From cph Wed Sep 6 20:33:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA28531 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:33:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20090; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:25:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19663; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad1 (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19649; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad1 (12.79.57.243 -> 243.morristown-15-20rs.nj.dial-access.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:25:50 -0400 Message-ID: <000701c01862$57754a20$f3394f0c@thinkpad1> From: "Donald Mak" To: References: <200009040734.KAA21483@home.egenet.com.tr> Subject: Re: Windows ME: Open GL fails Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 20:27:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Speaking of Linux... has anyone ordered a thinkpad with Linux? I'd be curiuos to know how the sytem is setup i.e. is the modem internal (MWave) or a PCMCIA card... and what Xwindows env are they running? Donald ----- Original Message ----- From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 2:12 AM Subject: Windows ME: Open GL fails > I have tried various OpenGL/Direct3D games under ME, and they all get stuck > 5-10 minutes into the game, requiring a complete power-off to get out of: Quake 3, > Soldier Of Fortune and a few others. > > So, go to IBM's site, download the newer video drivers. > > Windows ME will NOT let me install the Thinkpad A20m driver I downloaded > from our Thinkpad site. It says "this driver is not certified by Micro$oft, so I will > not install it." You can't even bypass that warning! > > Surprise: Certification is a new trick by the "innovation company" > and second surprise, I bet certification is NOT free for those companies. > Another ploy by the "innovators" to suck more cash out of all of us. > > Time to reformat and install Linux... :( > > -turgut > > > ------------ > EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr > Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr > > From cph Wed Sep 6 21:44:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA28934 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:44:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24636; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:44:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:39:35 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24234; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:39:31 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id VAA15811 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 21:39:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17313; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:32:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (206.127.32.130 -> amanda.dorsai.org) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:32:00 -0400 Received: (from higgins@localhost) by amanda.dorsai.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id OAA25729 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:31:47 -0400 (EDT) From: John Higgins Message-Id: <200009011831.OAA25729@amanda.dorsai.org> Subject: IBM Drive Kit To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad List) Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 14:31:47 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Someone here recently posted a reference to an ultra cheap drive upgrade kit, but I lost the pointer. Got anything??? I'm thinking about upgrading my 560e.... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins higgins@dorsai.org v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From cph Thu Sep 7 00:05:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA29955 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 00:05:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02938; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 00:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 00:00:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02616; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 00:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02596; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 00:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 00:00:18 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-3.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.3]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA10988 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 07:00:16 +0300 Message-Id: <200009070400.HAA10988@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 07:00:15 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <20000906193147.9077.qmail@wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: Re: Questions on 600X and Win2000 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 06 Sep 2000 at 02:31 PM you, Rob Bell , said: > - [for those of you that might use Seti@Home] What's the best way to set >up a ThinkPad for running Seti@Home so I can close the lid and still keep >processing (but still have the LCD go off)? I don't run Seti@Home, but I guess you should check the "Will not suspend even if LCD is closed" box (Suspend/Resume options) and set the "Screen off timer" and "HDD stop timer" to values to your liking (Power mode settings). This is done in the ThinkPad Configuration utility. HTH, Dominique From cph Thu Sep 7 00:25:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA30064 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 00:25:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04302; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 00:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 00:21:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03967; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 00:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03953; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 00:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 00:21:11 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-m094.otenet.gr [212.205.248.94]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e870VQ418071 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 03:31:26 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009070031.e870VQ418071@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 03:30:07 -0100 (EET) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20000906193147.9077.qmail@wwcst212.netaddress.usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Questions on 600X and Win2000 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id AAA04302 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id AAA30065 On 6 Sep 00 14:31:47 CDT, Rob Bell wrote: > - When Win2K is running and I close the lid, when I open it later sometimes >the network connection doesn't work. The network connection is TCP/IP via an >older Xircom 10Mbs CreditCard Ethernet PC-card. I have to 'disable' then >'enable' the connection for it to come back. Is 'standby' causing this driver >problem? I'm having the same problem under OS/2 with a newer Xircom card. (Xircom RealPort ethernet 10/100+modem 56k) I dont know if its the drivers or a hardware related problem, but if it also happens under different systems, then it could be hardware. Or the driver guys at xircom suck. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Thu Sep 7 01:10:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA30295 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:10:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06580; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:04:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06327; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:04:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06313; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:04:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 01:04:35 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA15831 for ; Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:04:31 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001101c01889$1e5a6280$ad8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: <200009070400.HAA10988@mail.clinet.fi> Subject: Re: Questions on 600X and Win2000 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:04:31 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 06 Sep 2000 at 02:31 PM you, Rob Bell , said: > - [for those of you that might use Seti@Home] What's the best way to set >up a ThinkPad for running Seti@Home so I can close the lid and still keep >processing (but still have the LCD go off)? I *think* that the the LCD on the 600 will always shut off when the case is closed, whatever the other settings are - just like an icebox. This is certainly true for every laptop I have ever owned, including ThinkPads (though I haven't tried a 600). - David R. From cph Thu Sep 7 02:07:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA30586 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:07:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09168; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:01:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08833; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08820; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009070601.CAA08820@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:01:28 -0400 Received: from slip202-135-81-168.bg.th.ibm.net ([202.135.81.168]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000090706002225202fdei1e>; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 06:00:25 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Thu, 07 Sep 00 13:00:03 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Netiquette List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 03:30:07 -0100 (EET), Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis wrote: >Or the driver guys at xircom suck. In observance of netiquette, and in consideration of others not yet coarsened (like my daughters), could we please avoid obscene language on this list? Jeffrey Race From cph Thu Sep 7 02:22:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA30641 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:22:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA10199; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:16:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09918; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09905; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:16:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:16:22 -0400 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-46.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.46]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id CAA27378 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:16:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000907022249.016b8100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 02:22:49 -0700 To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Netiquette In-Reply-To: <200009070601.CAA08820@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:00 PM 09/07/2000 +0700, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote: >On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 03:30:07 -0100 (EET), Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis >wrote: >>Or the driver guys at xircom suck. > >In observance of netiquette, and in consideration of others not yet >coarsened (like my daughters), could we please avoid obscene >language on this list? Odd, I do not associate the word, "suck," with other much more colorful words normally associated with cursing and obscene word choices. Of course coupled with other choice words, the word, "suck," could take on a whole new meaning. Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Thu Sep 7 02:51:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA30721 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:51:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11725; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:46:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11467; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11453; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:46:04 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-173.gate.net [199.227.20.236]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA39150; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:45:56 -0400 Message-ID: <39B739D1.4DF802FE@gate.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 02:46:41 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Questions on 600X and Win2000 References: <200009070400.HAA10988@mail.clinet.fi> <001101c01889$1e5a6280$ad8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Fn-F# and leave it open.. :-) i have had thinkpads that the LCD did NOT turn off when the lid was closed.. David Ross wrote: > On Wed, 06 Sep 2000 at 02:31 PM you, Rob Bell , > said: > > > - [for those of you that might use Seti@Home] What's the best way to > set > >up a ThinkPad for running Seti@Home so I can close the lid and still > keep > >processing (but still have the LCD go off)? > > I *think* that the the LCD on the 600 will always shut off when the case > is closed, whatever > the other settings are - just like an icebox. This is certainly true > for every laptop I have ever owned, including ThinkPads (though I > haven't tried a 600). > > - David R. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Thu Sep 7 02:55:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA30732 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:55:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12126; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:53:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:49:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11613; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11600; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:49:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (199.185.220.236 -> fepout1.telus.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 02:49:31 -0400 Received: from defiant ([209.53.9.7]) by priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.11 201-229-116-111) with SMTP id <20000907064929.SUVM569.priv-edtnes03-hme0.telusplanet.net@defiant>; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 00:49:29 -0600 From: "Ryan Hung" To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" , "thinkpad" Subject: RE: Questions on 600X and Win2000 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 23:50:06 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: <200009070031.e870VQ418071@athserv.otenet.gr> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've had similar problems on my TP600 with Win2000 Pro. My network card occasionally stops functioning, but usually only after multiple suspend/hibernates and resumes. I have a 3Com 10/100BaseT X-Jack Cardbus NIC. As for the lid issue, there was a discussion a few weeks back about the TP600 series not turning off the screen when the lid is shut in Win2000. I can confirm that I have the same problem here. I have tried all the power management settings to no avail. Sorry, no real answers to the problems, but rest assured you're not the only one experiencing them. Ryan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis [mailto:sehh@altered.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:30 PM > To: thinkpad > Subject: Re: Questions on 600X and Win2000 > > > On 6 Sep 00 14:31:47 CDT, Rob Bell wrote: > > > - When Win2K is running and I close the lid, when I open it > later sometimes > >the network connection doesn't work. The network connection is > TCP/IP via an > >older Xircom 10Mbs CreditCard Ethernet PC-card. I have to > >'disable' then 'enable' the connection for it to come back. Is > >'standby' > causing this driver > >problem? > > I'm having the same problem under OS/2 with a newer Xircom card. > (Xircom RealPort ethernet 10/100+modem 56k) > > I dont know if its the drivers or a hardware related problem, but > if it also > happens under different systems, then it could be hardware. > > Or the driver guys at xircom suck. > > ~ H.I.C. & D.B.S. ~ OS/2 Warp ~ Hellas ~ > ~ ServerConfig ~ ConfigEdit ~ OS/2 UK UG ~ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBObc6DAWlozyTIQ4YEQK+kwCdGsSU1DgsUKBEAMpy4H+fxPLzdwEAnjsg tq2tUWsi6k6yf5tn7m3GLLCq =9kuE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Thu Sep 7 04:11:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA30989 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:11:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16707; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:05:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16266; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:05:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aristoteles.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16251; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:05:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aristoteles.otenet.gr (195.170.2.2 -> aristoteles.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:05:57 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-k161.otenet.gr [195.167.106.161]) by aristoteles.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8785se01239 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:05:54 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009070805.e8785se01239@aristoteles.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:04:37 -0100 (EET) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200009070601.CAA08820@cs.utk.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Netiquette List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id EAA16707 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA30990 On Thu, 07 Sep 00 13:00:03 +0700, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote: >In observance of netiquette, and in consideration of others not yet >coarsened (like my daughters), could we please avoid obscene >language on this list? Sorry, i didn't mean to be very rude, or cause any problems, i was just trying to expres in my feelings about Xircom. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Thu Sep 7 04:11:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA30993 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:11:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16694; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:10:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:03:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16053; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:03:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aristoteles.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA16040; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:02:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aristoteles.otenet.gr (195.170.2.2 -> aristoteles.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:03:00 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-k161.otenet.gr [195.167.106.161]) by aristoteles.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8782ue00941 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:02:56 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009070802.e8782ue00941@aristoteles.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:01:37 -0100 (EET) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <001101c01889$1e5a6280$ad8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Questions on 600X and Win2000 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id EAA16694 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA30994 On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:04:31 -1000, David Ross wrote: >I *think* that the the LCD on the 600 will always shut off when the case >is closed, whatever >the other settings are - just like an icebox. This is certainly true >for every laptop I have ever owned, including ThinkPads (though I >haven't tried a 600). I have enabled the "Dont suspend when LCD is closed" under OS/2 on my 600E and it works fine. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Thu Sep 7 04:40:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA31090 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:40:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19515; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:39:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:35:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19203; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19189; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:35:10 -0400 Received: from user-38lcils.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcils.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.74.188]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA20300; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 04:35:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009070835.EAA20300@granger.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "David Ross" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 04:43:10 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <001101c01889$1e5a6280$ad8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Questions on 600X and Win2000 List-Unsubscribe: Can you toggle off the LCD and toggle on a monitor (which is turned off or not connected) ? On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 19:04:31 -1000, David Ross wrote: >On Wed, 06 Sep 2000 at 02:31 PM you, Rob Bell , >said: > >> - [for those of you that might use Seti@Home] What's the best way to >set >>up a ThinkPad for running Seti@Home so I can close the lid and still >keep >>processing (but still have the LCD go off)? > >I *think* that the the LCD on the 600 will always shut off when the case >is closed, whatever >the other settings are - just like an icebox. This is certainly true >for every laptop I have ever owned, including ThinkPads (though I >haven't tried a 600). > >- David R. > > From cph Thu Sep 7 08:52:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA31997 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:52:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05945; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:45:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05457; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:45:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot05.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA05444; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot05.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.25 -> pilot05.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:45:56 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm452-30.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.136]) by pilot05.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e87Cjp6149930 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:45:52 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000907083734.01d76bd0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:46:40 -0400 To: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Netiquette In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000907022249.016b8100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> References: <200009070601.CAA08820@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I'd have to say that the word in question doesn't carry an obscene meaning with me, either. I see it very similar to "reek". It might be in the hacker's dictionary--I don't know--but the origin of suck as I understand it in this context was that which a bilge pump does, sucking up unpleasant things. I'm sorry you feel that way Jeffrey. --STeve Andre' At 02:22 AM 9/7/00 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: >At 01:00 PM 09/07/2000 +0700, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote: > >On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 03:30:07 -0100 (EET), Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis > >wrote: > >>Or the driver guys at xircom suck. > > > >In observance of netiquette, and in consideration of others not yet > >coarsened (like my daughters), could we please avoid obscene > >language on this list? > > >Odd, I do not associate the word, "suck," with other much more colorful >words normally associated with cursing and obscene word choices. Of course >coupled with other choice words, the word, "suck," could take on a whole >new meaning. > >Mark ... From cph Thu Sep 7 09:04:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA32034 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:04:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07021; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:03:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:59:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06745; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:59:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA06731; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:59:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (128.183.251.180 -> popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:59:05 -0400 Received: from popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (popd-f.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.251.102]) by popout-f.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA21590; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dhelfrich2 (dhelfrich2.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.212.122]) by popd.gsfc.nasa.gov (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA16399; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:59:05 -0400 (EDT) From: "Daniel Helfrich" To: "Ryan Hung" , "thinkpad" Subject: RE: Questions on 600X and Win2000 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:01:38 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I've been using Win2K on my 650 MHz TP600X and my setting in power management is: Lid Close ---> Standby Fn-F3 stopped having an effect, while Fn-F4 hibernates ( much faster in Win2K!) In all cases, standby & hibernate shut down the NIC and turn off the LCD, and in all cases, they resume just fine on wake-up. (And much "cleaner" than Win 95 was.) I'm using the Linksys Etherfast 10/100 card and it's much faster on this box than it ever was on my 266Mhz TP600 running Win 95 (no surprise there!) Dan -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Hung [mailto:rwhung@interchange.ubc.ca] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 2:50 AM To: Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis; thinkpad Subject: RE: Questions on 600X and Win2000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've had similar problems on my TP600 with Win2000 Pro. My network card occasionally stops functioning, but usually only after multiple suspend/hibernates and resumes. I have a 3Com 10/100BaseT X-Jack Cardbus NIC. As for the lid issue, there was a discussion a few weeks back about the TP600 series not turning off the screen when the lid is shut in Win2000. I can confirm that I have the same problem here. I have tried all the power management settings to no avail. Sorry, no real answers to the problems, but rest assured you're not the only one experiencing them. Ryan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis [mailto:sehh@altered.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 9:30 PM > To: thinkpad > Subject: Re: Questions on 600X and Win2000 > > > On 6 Sep 00 14:31:47 CDT, Rob Bell wrote: > > > - When Win2K is running and I close the lid, when I open it > later sometimes > >the network connection doesn't work. The network connection is > TCP/IP via an > >older Xircom 10Mbs CreditCard Ethernet PC-card. I have to > >'disable' then 'enable' the connection for it to come back. Is > >'standby' > causing this driver > >problem? > > I'm having the same problem under OS/2 with a newer Xircom card. > (Xircom RealPort ethernet 10/100+modem 56k) > > I dont know if its the drivers or a hardware related problem, but > if it also > happens under different systems, then it could be hardware. > > Or the driver guys at xircom suck. > > ~ H.I.C. & D.B.S. ~ OS/2 Warp ~ Hellas ~ > ~ ServerConfig ~ ConfigEdit ~ OS/2 UK UG ~ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 6.5.2 for non-commercial use iQA/AwUBObc6DAWlozyTIQ4YEQK+kwCdGsSU1DgsUKBEAMpy4H+fxPLzdwEAnjsg tq2tUWsi6k6yf5tn7m3GLLCq =9kuE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Thu Sep 7 09:07:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA32046 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:07:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07546; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:01:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06860; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06846; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:01:44 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.61.220]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000907130142.BLDZ4085.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:01:42 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000907085827.01759220@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 08:58:27 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Netiquette In-Reply-To: <200009070601.CAA08820@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:00 PM 09/07/2000 +0700, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote: >In observance of netiquette, and in consideration of others not yet >coarsened (like my daughters), could we please avoid obscene >language on this list? > Even I don't think the word "suck" is obscene. Better hold onto your hat when the next "I-sent-my-baby-to-EZServ-and-it-came-back-(fill in the blank)" thread starts (and I won't even mention the OS wars). Jane TP List Den Mother From cph Thu Sep 7 09:22:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA32118 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:22:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08982; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:17:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08567; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA08542; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:16:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (130.133.1.48 -> mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:16:51 -0400 Received: by Mail.ZEDAT.FU-Berlin.DE (Smail3.2.0.98) from komma.zedat.fu-berlin.de (130.133.1.46) with esmtp id ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:16:49 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:16:48 +0200 From: Christoph Eyrich To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Netiquette In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000907085827.01759220@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Jane Loyless wrote: > Even I don't think the word "suck" is obscene. Better hold onto your hat > when the next "I-sent-my-baby-to-EZServ-and-it-came-back-(fill in the > blank)" thread starts (and I won't even mention the OS wars). Sorry, but I can't resist. A few days ago, I saw the following signature file playing with the two meanings of suck: `the only thing microsoft will ever make that won't suck will be a vacuum cleaner'. I don't want to start a war :-) From cph Thu Sep 7 09:27:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA32136 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:27:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09824; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:26:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:22:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09281; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09268; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:22:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:22:10 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-13.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.118]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA04650; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:22:06 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Jane Loyless" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Cc: Subject: RE: Netiquette Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:25:11 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000907085827.01759220@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: Jane Loyless [mailto:jloyless@netbox.com] wrote: > Jane > TP List Den Mother LOL!!! And boy don't we often need one!!! As to Dr. Jeff's request, if he would share with us all the commonly used words he finds prurient or obscene, we could attempt to remove them from our conversations here. ;-) Seriously Doc, lighten up! As the father of three I can guarantee that if your daughter is old enough to read and understand the conversations on this list, she's heard (and frequently uses) a LOT worse words than "sucks". Regards, James From cph Thu Sep 7 09:37:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA32163 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:37:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11082; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:32:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10409; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0n.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10396; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0n.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.43 -> www0n.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:32:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 15527 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2000 13:32:06 -0000 Message-ID: <20000907133206.15526.qmail@www0n.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.43 by www0n for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Thu Sep 7 13:32:06 GMT 2000 Date: 7 Sep 00 08:32:06 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "David Ross" , Subject: Re: Questions on 600X and Win2000 X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA32164 As someone else mentioned, this isn't always true for ThinkPads. I have a 770 that will sometimes keep the screen on when shut, resulting in a very warm keyboard! I've gotten in the habit of hitting Fn-F3 before shutting the lid on the 770. I wish Fn-F3 worked on my 600X! Thanks, Rob "David Ross" wrote: > I *think* that the the LCD on the 600 will always shut off when the case > is closed, whatever > the other settings are - just like an icebox. This is certainly true > for every laptop I have ever owned, including ThinkPads (though I > haven't tried a 600). > > - David R. > ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Thu Sep 7 09:40:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA32184 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:40:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11634; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:39:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:35:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10955; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10942; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.23.13 -> wwcst268.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:35:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 21385 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2000 13:35:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000907133547.21384.qmail@nwcst268.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.13 by wwcst268 for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Thu Sep 7 13:35:47 GMT 2000 Date: 7 Sep 00 08:35:47 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "Allan Ballard" , Subject: Re: Questions on 600X and Win2000 X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA32185 Yep, that functionality works (Fn-F7). Still trying to figure out why Fn-F3 does nothing... Thanks, Rob "Allan Ballard" wrote: > Can you toggle off the LCD and toggle on a monitor > (which is turned off or not connected) ? ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Thu Sep 7 09:48:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA32234 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:48:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12761; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:47:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:43:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12217; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12196; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (216.254.0.17 -> eve.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 09:43:08 -0400 Received: from speakeasy.net (c05-125.071.popsite.net [64.24.140.125]) by eve.speakeasy.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87DfWp04270; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 06:41:33 -0700 Message-ID: <39B79B52.7635D4B7@speakeasy.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 09:42:42 -0400 From: RWM Organization: R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad User Group Subject: Re: Questions on 600X and Win2000 References: <20000907133206.15526.qmail@www0n.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Are not "suspend on LCD/case close", and HD and screen suspend timing configurable via either Thinkpad Configuration utilities and/or Power Management? This is the case on my 560s and 510s... Of course, Fn-F3 also works to blank the LCD on the 560s.... - Bob Mann Rob Bell wrote: > > As someone else mentioned, this isn't always true for ThinkPads. I have a 770 > that will sometimes keep the screen on when shut, resulting in a very warm > keyboard! I've gotten in the habit of hitting Fn-F3 before shutting the lid > on the 770. I wish Fn-F3 worked on my 600X! > > Thanks, > Rob > > "David Ross" wrote: > > I *think* that the the LCD on the 600 will always shut off when the case > > is closed, whatever > > the other settings are - just like an icebox. This is certainly true > > for every laptop I have ever owned, including ThinkPads (though I > > haven't tried a 600). > > > > - David R. > > > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail -- - R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. >> Airline Industry Analysis Port Washington, NY 11050 >> tel 516-944-0900, fax -7280 mailto:RWM@RWMann.com >> URL http://www.RWMann.com/ From cph Thu Sep 7 10:13:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA32371 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:13:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15548; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:06:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14773; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:06:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14760; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:06:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.23.17 -> wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:06:49 -0400 Received: (qmail 2833 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2000 14:06:47 -0000 Message-ID: <20000907140647.2832.qmail@wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.23.17 by wwcst272 for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Thu Sep 7 14:06:47 GMT 2000 Date: 7 Sep 00 09:06:47 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Thinkpad User Group Subject: Re: Questions on 600X and Win2000 X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA32372 I found the answer to the Fn-F3 problem. IBM has a tech tip about it (http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4GZRRF.html): "On existing IBM Thinkpad notebook computers running under the Microsoft Windows 2000 operating system, the following keystroke combinations are not supported because the OS handles power management: Keystroke Function FN-F2 Battery Status FN-F3 LCD screen blanking FN-F11 Power management mode switching FN-F12 Hibernate " Bah! Rob Bell wrote: > > As someone else mentioned, this isn't always true for ThinkPads. I have a 770 > that will sometimes keep the screen on when shut, resulting in a very warm > keyboard! I've gotten in the habit of hitting Fn-F3 before shutting the lid > on the 770. I wish Fn-F3 worked on my 600X! > > Thanks, > Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Thu Sep 7 10:25:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA32437 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:25:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16792; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:24:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:19:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16079; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:19:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16066; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:19:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:19:12 -0400 Received: from 216-164-222-225.s479.tnt4.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.222.225] helo=richard) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13X2WF-0007At-00; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:19:11 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000907101606.00a9b5b8@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:17:47 -0400 To: Rob Bell From: richard Subject: Re: Questions on 600X and Win2000 Cc: Thinkpad User Group In-Reply-To: <20000907140647.2832.qmail@wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: How odd. FN-F12 hibernates my 570 running win2000. At 09:06 AM 9/7/2000 -0500, Rob Bell wrote: >I found the answer to the Fn-F3 problem. IBM has a tech tip about it >(http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4GZRRF.html): > >"On existing IBM Thinkpad notebook computers running under the Microsoft >Windows 2000 operating system, the following keystroke combinations are not >supported because the OS handles power management: > >Keystroke Function >FN-F2 Battery Status >FN-F3 LCD screen blanking >FN-F11 Power management mode switching >FN-F12 Hibernate " > >Bah! From cph Thu Sep 7 10:29:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA32473 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:29:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17749; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:28:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:22:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16398; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16382; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (216.254.0.17 -> eve.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:22:39 -0400 Received: from speakeasy.net (c05-125.071.popsite.net [64.24.140.125]) by eve.speakeasy.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e87EL1p10576; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 07:21:01 -0700 Message-ID: <39B7A490.7D1D2C97@speakeasy.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:22:08 -0400 From: RWM Organization: R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.74 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rob Bell CC: Thinkpad User Group Subject: Re: Questions on 600X and Win2000 References: <20000907140647.2832.qmail@wwcst272.netaddress.usa.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Alas, another case of "Gates knows best"... Rob Bell wrote: > > I found the answer to the Fn-F3 problem. IBM has a tech tip about it > (http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4GZRRF.html): > > "On existing IBM Thinkpad notebook computers running under the Microsoft > Windows 2000 operating system, the following keystroke combinations are not > supported because the OS handles power management: > > Keystroke Function > FN-F2 Battery Status > FN-F3 LCD screen blanking > FN-F11 Power management mode switching > FN-F12 Hibernate " > > Bah! > > Rob Bell wrote: > > > > As someone else mentioned, this isn't always true for ThinkPads. I have a > 770 > > that will sometimes keep the screen on when shut, resulting in a very warm > > keyboard! I've gotten in the habit of hitting Fn-F3 before shutting the > lid > > on the 770. I wish Fn-F3 worked on my 600X! > > > > Thanks, > > Rob > > ____________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail -- - R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. >> Airline Industry Analysis Port Washington, NY 11050 >> tel 516-944-0900, fax -7280 mailto:RWM@RWMann.com >> URL http://www.RWMann.com/ From cph Thu Sep 7 10:30:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA32489 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:30:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18107; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:24:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16693; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16599; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:24:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:24:00 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id KAA20307; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:22:21 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id KAA10831; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:14:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000907071134.01277ad8@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 07:13:26 -0700 To: Mark Bell , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Netiquette In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000907022249.016b8100@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> References: <200009070601.CAA08820@cs.utk.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 02:22 AM 9/7/2000 -0700, you wrote: >At 01:00 PM 09/07/2000 +0700, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote: > >On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 03:30:07 -0100 (EET), Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis > >wrote: > >>Or the driver guys at xircom suck. > > > >In observance of netiquette, and in consideration of others not yet > >coarsened (like my daughters), could we please avoid obscene > >language on this list? > >Odd, I do not associate the word, "suck," with other much more colorful >words normally associated with cursing and obscene word choices. Of course >coupled with other choice words, the word, "suck," could take on a whole >new meaning. I'm still trying to figure out where his daughters fit into the picture. Do they subscribe to the list too? I for one, while agreeing in general with the sentiment, also believe people need to make a choice not to be easily offended. A word like "suck" isn't something anyone should get concerned over. From cph Thu Sep 7 11:03:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA32759 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:03:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21310; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:57:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20858; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:57:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20834; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:57:38 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-m042.otenet.gr [212.205.248.42]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e87Etw426404 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:55:59 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009071455.e87Etw426404@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:54:40 -0100 (EET) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Netiquette List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id LAA21310 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA32760 On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:16:48 +0200, Christoph Eyrich wrote: >Sorry, but I can't resist. A few days ago, I saw the following signature >file playing with the two meanings of suck: `the only thing microsoft will >ever make that won't suck will be a vacuum cleaner'. hahaha that was a nice one :) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Thu Sep 7 12:07:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA00829 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:07:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27356; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:05:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:01:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26786; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:01:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x-mailer.polytechnique.fr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26750; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:01:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x-mailer.polytechnique.fr (129.104.35.1 -> x-mailer.polytechnique.fr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:01:16 -0400 Received: from daphne.math.polytechnique.fr (IDENT:root@daphne.math.polytechnique.fr [129.104.3.3]) by x-mailer.polytechnique.fr (x.y.z/x.y.z) with ESMTP id TAA15408 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:00:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from (planchon@localhost) by daphne.math.polytechnique.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id SAA32012 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:01:05 +0200 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:01:05 +0200 From: Fabrice Planchon To: Thinkpad List Subject: buying power cord in NYC Message-ID: <20000907180105.A30324@math.polytechnique.fr> Reply-To: fabrice@math.princeton.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.1i Organization: Ecole Polytechnique List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I am travelling in hte States and I stupidly lost my thinkpad 560X power cord yesterday (I still have the adapter, just missing the last cable to the plug). I need one by tomorrow, anybody knows a place in Manhattan where I can walk in and out with a cable ? I know it's just not a standard socket between the cable and the adapter (it's smaller than the usual one), so I somehow doubt I can just walk in any computer shop... Thanks, F. From cph Thu Sep 7 12:17:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA00913 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:17:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29194; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:13:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28571; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28551; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:12:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (207.69.200.148 -> granger.mail.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:12:57 -0400 Received: from user-38lcils.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcils.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.74.188]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA17734; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009071612.MAA17734@granger.mail.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Christoph Eyrich" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:20:58 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Netiquette List-Unsubscribe: Sounds like just another truism to me. On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:16:48 +0200, Christoph Eyrich wrote: >Sorry, but I can't resist. A few days ago, I saw the following signature >file playing with the two meanings of suck: `the only thing microsoft will >ever make that won't suck will be a vacuum cleaner'. From cph Thu Sep 7 12:20:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA00960 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:20:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29962; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:19:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:16:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29133; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29113; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:16:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:16:28 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.217.233]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000907161626.EMCK17935.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:16:26 +0000 Message-ID: <39B7BED2.32436E54@worldnet.att.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 12:14:10 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: fabrice@math.princeton.edu CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: buying power cord in NYC References: <20000907180105.A30324@math.polytechnique.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Try J&R , I think its photo-J&R Photo- not sure. B&H Photo may be able to steer you. Birger From cph Thu Sep 7 12:22:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA00976 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:22:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00599; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:17:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29602; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:17:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from willamette.cbn.net.id (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29505; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from willamette.cbn.net.id (202.158.3.6 -> willamette.cbn.net.id) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:17:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 54807 invoked by uid 1016); 7 Sep 2000 23:19:57 +0700 Received: from unknown (HELO usa.net) (202.158.58.195) by willamette.cbn.net.id with SMTP; 7 Sep 2000 23:19:57 +0700 Message-ID: <39B7C0B4.350B5447@usa.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 23:22:13 +0700 From: Benny Sabini X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: penzance@gate.net, scosgt@att.net, thinkpad Subject: Re: ThinkPad T20-2647-44U Dead LCD ??-- Help ! References: <39A9E494.D3325AAF@usa.net> <39A9F1DA.CF7BC345@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi all, some of you might this topic. Here's how the problem was solved. I was in Singapore for a business trip when my LCD went dead. I took it to the local IBM Repair Center and two days later they called me saying it was ready. The problem was loose LCD connector only. Whew !!. Now that I am back again. It made me wonder how long will it take if I had sent it to Ezyserve ? Thanks to those who responded. > Benny... > > sure sounds like hardware to me.. > get thee to easy serve.. > call 800-772-2227 and get a shipping box on the way to you.. > > Benny Sabini wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Sorry if this topic was posted before but I need some advice. > > I've been using T-20 -2647-44U ( PIII-700, 12 GB, 256 MB, DVD, 56k + > > 10/100, > > 14 in & Win98 SE) for fewer than a week, until yesterday suddenly > > the LCD washed out.. Just like that !. > > > > The screen was blanketed with grayish color > > and I couldn't see a thing. But I knew there were some activities > > judging by the hard > > drive icon. Then I tried to hook it up to the external monitor which was > > OK!!. > > Next I tried the FN-F7 key to alternate between LCD, CRT and both. Only > > the CRT > > was functioned. > > Then I used the Recovery CD and reformat & reinstall everything from > > scratch...still > > could not get the LCD going. > > > > I had not even play around with the BIOS setup nor installing any > > program yet, since > > I wanted to "familiarize" myself first with the machine for a few days. > > I went to the IBM site tried to look for relevant info but no luck. They > > have the latest > > BIOS ver 1.07 ( ....43WW ??), will this help ?? I hope its not hardware > > problem. > > Your advices or inputs are appreciated guys !! > > > > -- > > Benny S. ( a very anxious T20 owner, currently own a 701C ) > > -- > --- > > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > sic transit gloria -- The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended solely for the addressee. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or any action taken or omitted to be taken in reliance on it, is prohibited and may be unlawful. From cph Thu Sep 7 12:45:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA01224 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:45:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03347; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:42:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:39:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02875; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02858; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (24.131.172.171 -> el10-24-131-172-171.ce.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:39:38 -0400 Received: from uic.edu ([172.16.172.99] [172.16.172.99] ) by yanos.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:39:15 -0600 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 11:39:15 -0500 (CDT) From: George Yanos Reply-To: George Yanos To: Randal Whittle cc: Mark Bell , TP List Subject: Re: Netiquette In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000907071134.01277ad8@pop3.iceka.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: gyanos@tigger.cc.uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 02:22 AM 9/7/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>At 01:00 PM 09/07/2000 +0700, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote: >> >On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 03:30:07 -0100 (EET), Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis >> >wrote: >> >>Or the driver guys at xircom suck. >> > >> >In observance of netiquette, and in consideration of others not yet >> >coarsened (like my daughters), could we please avoid obscene >> >language on this list? >> >>Odd, I do not associate the word, "suck," with other much more colorful >>words normally associated with cursing and obscene word choices. Of course >>coupled with other choice words, the word, "suck," could take on a whole >>new meaning. > > I'm still trying to figure out where his daughters fit into the >picture. Do they subscribe to the list too? > > I for one, while agreeing in general with the sentiment, also >believe people need to make a choice not to be easily offended. A word >like "suck" isn't something anyone should get concerned over. Real offense requires, I think, an intent on the part of the offender. That is, offense isn't something to be taken but rather to be given. I'm sure the Xircom Critic (Dimitris?) meant no offense to anybody save Xircom. Having a recently adolescent daughter myself, Dr Race is likely out of touch with his daughters' sensibilities, or at the very least with the sensibilities of nearly all of his daughters' peers. ********************************************************************* * George Yanos * Urban Sprawl Symposium * * UTC at UIC * Urban Transportation Center and * * 312-413-0059(w) * Metropolitan Transportation Support Initative * * 708-848-4221(h) * Circle Center, 750 South Halsted, Chicago * * * September 8, 2000 8:30am to 5:00pm * * gyanos@uic.edu * Registration: 312-996-4820 / stauffer@uic.edu * ********************************************************************* From cph Thu Sep 7 13:35:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA01728 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:35:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08335; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:30:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07772; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:30:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07758; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:30:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (198.144.205.90 -> m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:30:25 -0400 Received: from 172.16.74.1 by NewPad ([172.16.74.1] running VPOP3) with ESMTP; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:30:41 -0700 From: "Michael Geary" To: "David Ross" , Subject: RE: Questions on 600X and Win2000 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 10:30:41 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001101c01889$1e5a6280$ad8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.4.0b - Registered List-Unsubscribe: > I *think* that the the LCD on the 600 will always shut off when the case > is closed, whatever > the other settings are - just like an icebox. This is certainly true > for every laptop I have ever owned, including ThinkPads (though I > haven't tried a 600). Windows 2000 has a bug here. Closing the lid on an original vintage TP600 does *not* turn off the backlight. It may eventually go off according to your power management settings, but just closing the lid doesn't do a thing. I haven't installed SP1 to see if it fixes this bug. The TP600E behaves correctly under Windows 2000. When you close the lid, the backlight goes off immediately. I would be curious to know what a TP600X does. All this assumes, of course, that you have set the power options so that closing the lid doesn't put the computer on standby. -Mike From cph Thu Sep 7 14:20:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA02119 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:20:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12934; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:15:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12637; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12621; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:15:42 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-6.gate.net [207.36.212.6]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA27338; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:15:31 -0400 Message-ID: <39B7DB70.CE1F31C1@gate.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:16:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net CC: fabrice@math.princeton.edu, Thinkpad List Subject: Re: buying power cord in NYC References: <20000907180105.A30324@math.polytechnique.fr> <39B7BED2.32436E54@worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: ALSO.. is it the oval two prong end (as used on the 560 and early 600 series or the three round bundled prong end cable as used on the late 770 series.. ?? if the former, radio shack, if the latter, maybe radio shack again.. if it is the square very common three blade end, most anyplace will have one like that.. but best would be, again, a radio shack.. J&R Photo may be more easily found than a radio shack in downtowm manhattan.. :-) Birger Petterson wrote: > Try J&R , I think its photo-J&R Photo- not sure. > B&H Photo may be able to steer you. > > Birger -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Thu Sep 7 14:29:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA02184 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:29:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14150; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:29:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:26:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13643; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13629; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:26:01 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-6.gate.net [207.36.212.6]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA56270; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:25:57 -0400 Message-ID: <39B7DDE1.6721E489@gate.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 14:26:41 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Netiquette - PC to the Nth degree..? References: <3.0.6.32.20000907022249.016b8100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i think this whole thing is un-neccessary.. AND, exists in the "eye of the beholder" more than a listing of "bad" words.. if "suck" is a bad word, then perhaps i should not eat a lollipop or use a straw with a cold beverage.. let us not fall victim to political correctness taken to an unreasonable extreme.. and, in keeping with PC (political correct) thought, i hope i have not offended anyone in any way with any words used above.. :-) Mark Bell wrote: > At 01:00 PM 09/07/2000 +0700, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote: > >On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 03:30:07 -0100 (EET), Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis > >wrote: > >>Or the driver guys at xircom suck. > > > >In observance of netiquette, and in consideration of others not yet > >coarsened (like my daughters), could we please avoid obscene > >language on this list? > > Odd, I do not associate the word, "suck," with other much more colorful > words normally associated with cursing and obscene word choices. Of course > coupled with other choice words, the word, "suck," could take on a whole > new meaning. > > Mark > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Thu Sep 7 14:38:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA02274 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:38:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15500; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:34:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15083; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:34:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bunyip.flash.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15059; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:34:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bunyip.flash.net (209.30.2.15 -> bunyip.flash.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:34:30 -0400 Received: from tomcollins (216-215-76-199.flash.net [216.215.76.199]) by bunyip.flash.net (8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03532; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:34:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000601c01903$06874ae0$c74cd7d8@tomcollins> From: "wrench" To: , "Mark Bell" Cc: Subject: Re: Netiquette - PC to the Nth degree..? 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------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C018BE.2BBAF720-- From cph Thu Sep 7 14:57:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA02451 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:57:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18059; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:55:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:52:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17558; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17543; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:52:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:52:33 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA17876; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:52:27 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <005501c018fc$c891d6c0$9e62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "Thinkpad List" References: <20000907180105.A30324@math.polytechnique.fr> Subject: Re: buying power cord in NYC Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:52:31 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: In addition to the other sources mentioned, you might look for an appliance repair/shaver parts shops; even if it doesn't have precisely the right part in stock, they should be able to modify an in-stock cord to fit. Most towns of any size in the US have such shops. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fabrice Planchon" To: "Thinkpad List" Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 6:01 AM Subject: buying power cord in NYC Hi, I am travelling in hte States and I stupidly lost my thinkpad 560X power cord yesterday (I still have the adapter, just missing the last cable to the plug). I need one by tomorrow, anybody knows a place in Manhattan where I can walk in and out with a cable ? I know it's just not a standard socket between the cable and the adapter (it's smaller than the usual one), so I somehow doubt I can just walk in any computer shop... Thanks, F. From cph Thu Sep 7 15:01:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA02474 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:01:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18872; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:59:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:57:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18572; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18550; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:57:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:57:50 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA17944 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:57:46 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <007701c018fd$86a61e00$9e62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: <200009070400.HAA10988@mail.clinet.fi> <001101c01889$1e5a6280$ad8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> <39B739D1.4DF802FE@gate.net> Subject: Re: Questions on 600X and Win2000 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 08:57:50 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "i have had thinkpads that the LCD did NOT turn off when the lid was closed.." How could you tell?-) Seriously, this seems like a hardware flaw to me - there is no reason for a screen to be on with the case closed. I have a laptop doing time as a 24/7 server in my office, and closing the lit while running is a necessity, to protect the screen and keyboard from the huge quantity of ambient dust. - David R. From cph Thu Sep 7 15:06:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA02549 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:06:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20610; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:05:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:03:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19726; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19704; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:03:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:03:49 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-6.gate.net [207.36.212.6]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA67814; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:03:38 -0400 Message-ID: <39B7E6B7.7A924973@gate.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:04:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wrench CC: Mark Bell , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Netiquette - PC to the Nth degree..? even more drivel.. References: <000601c01903$06874ae0$c74cd7d8@tomcollins> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: me too, but in the spirit of openness and candor and due to the fact that even some curse words can exceed the three or four letter size... uhhh... now what WAS the point..? :-) wrench wrote: > I am offended by the term: political correctness > > ;-) > > Tom > > >let us not fall victim to political correctness taken to an unreasonable > >extreme.. > > > >and, in keeping with PC (political correct) thought, i hope i have not > >offended anyone in any way with any words used above.. :-) -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Thu Sep 7 15:10:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA02568 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:10:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21668; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:06:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21300; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21273; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:06:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:06:46 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-6.gate.net [207.36.212.6]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA28090; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:06:37 -0400 Message-ID: <39B7E76A.21AC6F0B@gate.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:07:22 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: fabrice@math.princeton.edu, Thinkpad List Subject: Re: buying power cord in NYC References: <20000907180105.A30324@math.polytechnique.fr> <005501c018fc$c891d6c0$9e62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: we are speaking of MANHATTAN here.. not Mystic.. :-) AND, FWIW, there is no radio shack or appliance repair shop in greater metropolitan downtown Mystic.. BUT, there IS a Piggly Wiggly SuperMarket there.. (or there WAS one there).. :-)) David Ross wrote: > In addition to the other sources mentioned, you might look for an > appliance repair/shaver parts shops; > even if it doesn't have precisely the right part in stock, they should > be able to modify an in-stock cord to > fit. Most towns of any size in the US have such shops. > > - David R. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fabrice Planchon" > To: "Thinkpad List" > Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 6:01 AM > Subject: buying power cord in NYC > > Hi, > I am travelling in hte States and I stupidly lost my thinkpad 560X power > cord yesterday (I still have the adapter, just missing the last cable to > the plug). I need one by tomorrow, anybody knows a place in Manhattan > where I can walk in and out with a cable ? I know it's just not a > standard socket between the cable and the adapter (it's smaller than the > usual one), so I somehow doubt I can just walk in any computer shop... > Thanks, > > F. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Thu Sep 7 15:13:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA02618 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:13:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22875; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:11:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22376; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:11:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22363; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:11:18 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-6.gate.net [207.36.212.6]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA43808; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:11:03 -0400 Message-ID: <39B7E874.46EBDF9C@gate.net> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 15:11:48 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Yanos CC: Randal Whittle , Mark Bell , TP List Subject: Re: Netiquette and chicken wings References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: GOOD POINT..! additionally, my birds are offended everytime i cook chicken wings for dinner... they all grumble about "poor cousin cluck" and just how horrible i am being to their sensibilities.. and the older birds also tend to want to shield the young girlbird, the baby 2 year old umbrella cockatoo.. George Yanos wrote: > On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Randal Whittle wrote: > >At 02:22 AM 9/7/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >>At 01:00 PM 09/07/2000 +0700, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote: > >> >On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 03:30:07 -0100 (EET), Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis > >> >wrote: > >> >>Or the driver guys at xircom suck. > >> > > >> >In observance of netiquette, and in consideration of others not yet > >> >coarsened (like my daughters), could we please avoid obscene > >> >language on this list? > >> > >>Odd, I do not associate the word, "suck," with other much more colorful > >>words normally associated with cursing and obscene word choices. Of course > >>coupled with other choice words, the word, "suck," could take on a whole > >>new meaning. > > > > I'm still trying to figure out where his daughters fit into the > >picture. Do they subscribe to the list too? > > > > I for one, while agreeing in general with the sentiment, also > >believe people need to make a choice not to be easily offended. A word > >like "suck" isn't something anyone should get concerned over. > > Real offense requires, I think, an intent on the part of the offender. > That is, offense isn't something to be taken but rather to be given. > I'm sure the Xircom Critic (Dimitris?) meant no offense to anybody save > Xircom. > > Having a recently adolescent daughter myself, Dr Race is likely out of > touch with his daughters' sensibilities, or at the very least with the > sensibilities of nearly all of his daughters' peers. > > ********************************************************************* > * George Yanos * Urban Sprawl Symposium * > * UTC at UIC * Urban Transportation Center and * > * 312-413-0059(w) * Metropolitan Transportation Support Initative * > * 708-848-4221(h) * Circle Center, 750 South Halsted, Chicago * > * * September 8, 2000 8:30am to 5:00pm * > * gyanos@uic.edu * Registration: 312-996-4820 / stauffer@uic.edu * > ********************************************************************* -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Thu Sep 7 15:15:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA02670 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:15:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23281; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:13:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:12:12 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22548; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:12:02 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id PAA25987 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:12:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04562; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:56:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amanda.dorsai.org (206.127.32.130 -> amanda.dorsai.org) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:56:23 -0400 Received: (from higgins@localhost) by amanda.dorsai.org (8.9.1/8.9.1) id MAA08835; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:56:06 -0400 (EDT) From: John Higgins Message-Id: <200009071656.MAA08835@amanda.dorsai.org> Subject: Re: buying power cord in NYC To: fabrice@math.princeton.edu Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 12:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (Thinkpad List) In-Reply-To: <20000907180105.A30324@math.polytechnique.fr> from "Fabrice Planchon" at Sep 07, 2000 06:01:05 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Best bets: Datavision or RCS in Midtown. Also, call IBM for a repair shop rather than a PC dealer ( though both Datavision and RCS are repair places.) Finally, just mail order one and have it fedexed. I'll follow up with some phone numbers... -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- John M. Higgins higgins@dorsai.org v)212-337-7024/f)212-337-7028 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From cph Thu Sep 7 15:50:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA02978 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:50:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28446; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:46:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28176; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28162; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:46:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uhura.concentric.net (206.173.118.93 -> uhura.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:46:56 -0400 Received: from marconi.concentric.net (marconi.concentric.net [206.173.118.71]) by uhura.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id PAA15900; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:46:53 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by marconi.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id NAA02171; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:30:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000907102737.0285de00@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 10:30:28 -0700 To: fabrice@math.princeton.edu, TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: buying power cord in NYC In-Reply-To: <20000907180105.A30324@math.polytechnique.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 06:01 PM 9/7/2000 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, >I am travelling in hte States and I stupidly lost my thinkpad 560X power >cord yesterday (I still have the adapter, just missing the last cable to >the plug). I need one by tomorrow, anybody knows a place in Manhattan >where I can walk in and out with a cable ? I know it's just not a >standard socket between the cable and the adapter (it's smaller than the >usual one), so I somehow doubt I can just walk in any computer shop... >Thanks, Do you want a spare? If so, you can just go to the local CompUSA and buy a whole spare power adapter for about $100. I bought one (I think its made by Targus--its a wide but thin thing with a plug on one end and a 8 or 10 foot cord attached to it) for about that over there. And its *perfect* for me because I leave my"regular" adapter plugged in at home and keep the "travel adapter" in my travel case--so its always with me and I don't have to constantly pack up my "regular" one. If that's a course you think is reasonable, then you can get one and then worry about getting a replacement cord for your original one after you get home & can settle in to order one. - Randy From cph Thu Sep 7 15:55:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA03022 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:55:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29276; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:52:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29072; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.paceindustries.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29038; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.paceindustries.com (208.228.112.131 -> paceindustries.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 15:52:02 -0400 Received: FROM lpag1.paceind.com BY www.paceindustries.com ; Thu Sep 07 14:33:26 2000 -0500 Received: by LPAG1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:51:56 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ken Whelan To: TP List Subject: Eject PC on Start Menu Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:51:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Okay folks, I am going to show my ignorance. Does anyone know how to get rid of the Eject PC option that is above the Shutdown and Below the Run line on the Start Menu I am sick of accidentially hitting it when I am going to Start Run. This tends to put this thing in a state of unrecoverable shock. BTW this is one of the new A20P's Thanks Ken From cph Thu Sep 7 16:21:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA03239 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:21:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03217; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:19:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02385; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01598; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:15:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.147.1.143 -> chmls05.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:15:33 -0400 Received: from laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA10724 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:15:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: RE: Questions on 600X and Win2000 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:15:32 -0400 Message-ID: <002401c01908$5fed3db0$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: I don't know much about these things, Ryan, but I solved a Linksys network card dysfunction similar to what you describe by going into Local Area Connection Properties, Configure PC Card, under PC Card Properties Advanced Tab, and changing "Autosense" to 100 Mbps (or 10 Mbps as the case may be for you). -- Jeff > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ryan Hung [mailto:rwhung@interchange.ubc.ca] >Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 2:50 AM >To: Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis; thinkpad >Subject: RE: Questions on 600X and Win2000 > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >I've had similar problems on my TP600 with Win2000 Pro. My network >card occasionally stops functioning, but usually only after multiple >suspend/hibernates and resumes. I have a 3Com 10/100BaseT X-Jack >Cardbus NIC. As for the lid issue, there was a discussion a few >weeks back about the TP600 series not turning off the screen when the >lid is shut in Win2000. I can confirm that I have the same problem >here. I have tried all the power management settings to no avail. >Sorry, no real answers to the problems, but rest assured you're not >the only one experiencing them. > > Ryan. >> From cph Thu Sep 7 16:21:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA03247 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:21:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03222; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:19:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02311; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:18:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02274; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:18:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:18:56 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-46.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.199]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA06283; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:18:53 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Western Computer" , Subject: RE: www.western-computers.com - Notebook Deals in Canada Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:22:03 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001c01c018f8$daeb8cc0$7e8f42d8@kcmd> List-Unsubscribe: Commercial advertising on this mail list is neither appreciated nor desired. Unlike newgroups, mailling lists are privately operated and subscribers are subject to removal for failing to follow common netiquette. If you have something helpful to share with regard to Thinkpads, please do so. But please don't attempt to turn the list into your private advertising agency. James -----Original Message----- From: Western Computer [mailto:wes-comp@look.ca] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:24 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: www.western-computers.com - Notebook Deals in Canada Canada's Best Notebook Deals. We are a Notebook Liquidator located in Vancouver, B.C. Canada. Please check our Website for Notebook Liquidation Prices. Notebooks advertised are "In Stock" and "Ready to Ship. Call for Details - Quantities are Limited!!! Notebooks Specials Website: http://www.western-computers.com/index.html PS: See our Newspaper Ads every Thursday in the "Net Works" Section of the Vancouver Sun Newspaper. From cph Thu Sep 7 16:58:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA03592 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:58:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07828; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:55:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07603; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:55:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0s.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07589; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:55:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0s.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.48 -> www0s.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:55:06 -0400 Received: (qmail 10767 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Sep 2000 20:55:04 -0000 Message-ID: <20000907205504.10766.qmail@www0s.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.48 by www0s for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Thu Sep 7 20:55:04 GMT 2000 Date: 7 Sep 00 15:55:04 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "Western Computer" Subject: Commercial Postings (was Re: Western Computers...) CC: X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id QAA03593 I believe the ThinkPad list rules state that a one-time announcement of ThinkPad-related commercial info is OK. This Western Computers annoucement has been here before. Please don't continue posting similar commercial messages. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Thu Sep 7 17:00:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA03610 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:00:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07830; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:54:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07545; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:54:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07532; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:54:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (24.30.163.11 -> laxmls02.socal.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 16:54:47 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (sc-24-24-233-88.socal.rr.com [24.24.233.88]) by laxmls02.socal.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e87KruS20932 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:53:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: mikeford@pop-server.socal.rr.com Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:54:46 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: [365XD] upgrading HD and ram? List-Unsubscribe: I haven't been on the list in a LONG time, just putting along with my 365XD 24/810 with even the IBM Home and Away 14.4k modem/ethernet card working just fine. Time has come, upgrade or die. Ram I think is sorted out, buy a 32 MB SO Dimm 3.3v EDO 42H2769 or better a Kingston KTM760ELD32, and sell the 16 MB thats in it. Hard Drive has me a bit confused, IBM is telling me only the original options should be used, ie 810 mb (what I have now) and 1.08 GB. That stinks if true, as several local places have TravelStar 4.3 GB drives for less than $90. What looks most tempting at about $45 is IBM Travelstar 2110MB (2.1GB) IDE Hard Drive Model # DCRA-22110. The higher capacity Travelstar is 9.5 mm, the smaller is 17 mm. Neither have IBM carriers, but I am guessing I can reuse my old one. Can I be sure its going to fit/work before installing it? What is a good way to back up my hard drive? I have a working 10bt ethernet network at home, right now all Mac, but soon to have a couple PCs (W95 various *nix) on it. Ideally I would like to backup over the network and burn a CDR so I could just pop the CDR into the 365XD and restore. I also have the little adapter that converts a laptop drive into a normal IDE that can plug into a desktop PC. One store suggested I use that and a program called "drivecopy". Thanks for any help. From cph Thu Sep 7 17:52:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA04019 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:52:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12392; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:49:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:48:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12191; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12173; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:47:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:47:42 -0400 Received: from sdwntsrv ([129.37.157.128]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <20000907214452239022d0j6e>; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:44:53 +0000 Message-ID: <002b01c01914$687d0d00$6e002409@sdwntsrv> Reply-To: "Philippe Hamelin" From: "Philippe Hamelin" To: "ThinkPad" Subject: MPEG-2 Decoder for Win 2000 for 770 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:41:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C018F2.E1624540" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C018F2.E1624540 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0028_01C018F2.E1624540" ------=_NextPart_001_0028_01C018F2.E1624540 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please help. I need the diskette for the hardware decoder support in = order to play DVDs under Windows 2000 on my ThinkPad 770ED. The Enhanced = Video Adapter that I have does only have the support for 95/98. It does = not appear to be on the IBM support site. The name is MPEG-2 decoder for = Windows 2000. The attached PDF file from IBM describes very well what = needs to be done and the disquette is essential. Thanks in advance. Philippe Hamelin ------=_NextPart_001_0028_01C018F2.E1624540 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Please help. I need the diskette for the hardware = decoder=20 support in order to play DVDs under Windows 2000 on my ThinkPad 770ED. = The=20 Enhanced Video Adapter that I have does only have the support for 95/98. = It does=20 not appear to be on the IBM support site. The name is MPEG-2 = decoder for=20 Windows 2000. The attached PDF file from IBM = describes=20 very well what needs to be done and the disquette is = essential.
 
Thanks in advance.
 
Philippe Hamelin
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18:02:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13529; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:59:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13355; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:59:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darkstar.qx.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13338; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:59:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from darkstar.qx.net (208.235.88.101 -> darkstar.qx.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:59:35 -0400 Received: from mail2.qx.net (mail.qx.net [208.235.88.233]) by darkstar.qx.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA05082 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:59:33 -0400 Received: from mail.qx.net ([208.235.88.43]) by mail2.qx.net (Netscape Messaging Server 3.6) with SMTP id AAAED8; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 17:57:09 -0400 To: Mike Ford CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [365XD] upgrading HD and ram? Date: Thu, Sep 7 2000 17:59:32 GMT-0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <7736F661164D.AAAED8@mail2.qx.net> List-Unsubscribe: I have a 365X. Memory maxed out at 40MB. IBM 4.6GB hard drive, dual booting Win98 and SuSE Linux 6.4. I used the old drive carrier. The 4 side screws mount the carrier to the drive, and the 1 corner tab still screws to the mainboard. The 2 screws that hold the foil shield in place can not be used since there is no longer a place to anchor them in to. Other that that, the 365X recognizes the drive fine, and Win98 has no problems with it. On Linux though, I do have to set the linear option in LILO to allow Linux to used the drive. This configuration worked fine for over 1.5 years. Had to replace the drive last month, (under warrenty), because the Win98 partition crashed, and I was unable to reformat or partition. Linux partition continued to run fine though. (Until I kept playing w/it until the whole drive stopped working) Took the drive back to the point of purchase, and had a new drive in about 2 weeks. Don Klapper Computer Systems / Electronics Technician American Greetings, Corp. Danville, KY ============================================================ From: Mike Ford Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 13:54:46 -0800 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [365XD] upgrading HD and ram? I haven't been on the list in a LONG time, just putting along with my 365XD 24/810 with even the IBM Home and Away 14.4k modem/ethernet card working just fine. Time has come, upgrade or die. Ram I think is sorted out, buy a 32 MB SO Dimm 3.3v EDO 42H2769 or better a Kingston KTM760ELD32, and sell the 16 MB thats in it. Hard Drive has me a bit confused, IBM is telling me only the original options should be used, ie 810 mb (what I have now) and 1.08 GB. That stinks if true, as several local places have TravelStar 4.3 GB drives for less than $90. What looks most tempting at about $45 is IBM Travelstar 2110MB (2.1GB) IDE Hard Drive Model # DCRA-22110. The higher capacity Travelstar is 9.5 mm, the smaller is 17 mm. Neither have IBM carriers, but I am guessing I can reuse my old one. Can I be sure its going to fit/work before installing it? What is a good way to back up my hard drive? I have a working 10bt ethernet network at home, right now all Mac, but soon to have a couple PCs (W95 various *nix) on it. Ideally I would like to backup over the network and burn a CDR so I could just pop the CDR into the 365XD and restore. I also have the little adapter that converts a laptop drive into a normal IDE that can plug into a desktop PC. One store suggested I use that and a program called "drivecopy". Thanks for any help. From cph Thu Sep 7 18:35:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA04388 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:35:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16631; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:33:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16392; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lolita.speakeasy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16340; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:33:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lolita.speakeasy.net (216.254.0.13 -> lolita.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:33:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 7040 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2000 22:34:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gonzo.speakeasy.net) (192.168.0.5) by 192.168.0.13 with SMTP; 7 Sep 2000 22:34:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 549 invoked from network); 7 Sep 2000 22:33:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO WALD7) (216.254.51.110) by gonzo.speakeasy.net with SMTP; 7 Sep 2000 22:33:32 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: , "Thinkpad List" Subject: RE: buying power cord in NYC Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:36:20 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20000907180105.A30324@math.polytechnique.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Fabrice, If you are still desperate let me know. I'm in Manhattan and can help you out one way or the other. Email me direct and I can give you a phone number to call. Bill Armstrong -----Original Message----- From: Fabrice Planchon [mailto:planchon@math.polytechnique.fr] Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 12:01 PM To: Thinkpad List Subject: buying power cord in NYC Hi, I am travelling in hte States and I stupidly lost my thinkpad 560X power cord yesterday (I still have the adapter, just missing the last cable to the plug). I need one by tomorrow, anybody knows a place in Manhattan where I can walk in and out with a cable ? I know it's just not a standard socket between the cable and the adapter (it's smaller than the usual one), so I somehow doubt I can just walk in any computer shop... Thanks, F. From cph Thu Sep 7 20:09:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA05111 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:09:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23540; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:06:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22863; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22849; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:06:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:06:10 -0400 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.28]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000908000609.KKKJ8992.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:06:09 +0000 Received: from [141.152.140.9] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:06:05 +0000 To: penzance@gate.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Netiquette - PC to the Nth degree..? Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:06:05 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: duh@att.net Message-Id: <20000908000609.KKKJ8992.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: One of the many interesting things about the evolution of the net is the ad hoc adoption of commonly used terms. "Suck" has become one of these. If you are unhappy with a particular product and want to display your unhappiness, it's almost required that you do so in the form of an "Unofficial Product X Sucks Page". Quite recently slashdot.org ran an article about a new game that was disappointing. The headline said "It's Official, Daikatana Sucks". It is very common for objectionable words to evolve into common usage. In grade school I mentioned to a teacher that something "bugged" me. The teacher told me I should never use that phrase, and suggested that I look up the verb "bug" in a dictionary. Ouch! From cph Thu Sep 7 20:11:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA05132 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:11:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23795; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:10:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:07:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22980; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:07:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22967; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:07:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:07:18 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA19224; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:07:10 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000a01c01928$bf30b340$7462183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: [TPnone] Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 14:07:13 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Attaching a huge non-ASCII file to a post on this list is an evil, evil thing to do. We still have members who connect at 14.4K, and some mail programs - notably Outlook Express - hold one's computer hostage while attachments like this download. - David R. From cph Thu Sep 7 20:21:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA05246 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:21:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24938; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:20:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:17:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24502; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:17:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24468; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:17:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 20:17:39 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.165] (helo=139-142-112-165.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13XBqa-000EB7-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:16:49 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [701] 701 32-MB RAM upgrade Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 17:02:50 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <6qDu54mipB7O092yn@islandnet.com> References: <39A5FD17.3F37192@gate.net> In-Reply-To: <39A5FD17.3F37192@gate.net> Lines: 58 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: >YES, generic memory should work in the 701.. In looking for "deals" on 701 RAM, I'm wondering how generic I can get. For example, is there RAM from any other Thinkpad which will run in the 701 ? IBM is not very forthcoming about this. For the TP760, for example, IBM doesn't even state how many pins the memory has. In the SO-DIMM world, "generic" seems now to mean 144-pin, SD-RAM ... but 701 is 72-pin EDO, 3.3 volt. > >NO, 360, 750/755 etc. memory will not work in a 701.. > >you left out goldenram 32meg memory for the 701, which i sell for $109 (lifetime >warranty for those still concerned about warranty issues).. > >Jonathan Berry wrote: > >> I have been looking to upgrade the "backup" 701 to 40 MB of >> RAM, meaning a 32 MB SO-DIMM. >> >> IBM has evidently discontinued this item, but earlier it was >> FRU 92G7284 , or part number 92G7281 >> >> Some other manufacturers give equivalents: >> Piiceon 907-7132 >> Kingston KTM-TP701/32 >> Southland SMM 32MB-TP701 >> Transcend TS32MTP701 >> Viking I7281 >> >> (the best page I found on these numbers was a commerce site: >> http://www. >> streetprices.com/Electronics/Computer_Hardware_PC/Memory/Proprietary/IBM/32MB/ >> ) >> >> A price search found prices between $65 and $167.27 (I'm not >> kidding) for this part or its equivalent. I'm not sure if the >> $65 was legit, in which case the lowest price would be $78.44 >> for the Kingston equivalent. >> >> I'm wondering if anybody has tried using something more >> generic, and has it worked? I vaguely recall some discussion >> to that effect here. >> >> IBM's description states: >> 70 ns / non-parity / 3.3 volt. >> >> IBM also states "360, 750, 755 family ... memory ... NOT >> compatible in the ... 701 family" >> -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Thu Sep 7 22:22:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA05891 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:22:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA03000; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:20:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:17:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02406; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02393; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (142.90.106.106 -> andrew1.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:17:09 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e882GsZ14976 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu.AVP; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:16:55 -0700 Received: from sfupc (ppp08.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.86]) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e882GoO14968; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:16:50 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c0193a$ba241ba0$03785a8e@triumf.ca> From: "peter machule" To: "Philippe Hamelin" Cc: "thinkpad" References: <002b01c01914$687d0d00$6e002409@sdwntsrv> Subject: Re: MPEG-2 Decoder for Win 2000 for 770 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 19:15:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Please DO NOT send attachments to this mailing list !! Especially ones that are 230KB in size !! ..peter.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Philippe Hamelin To: ThinkPad Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 2:41 PM Subject: MPEG-2 Decoder for Win 2000 for 770 Please help. I need the diskette for the hardware decoder support in order to play DVDs under Windows 2000 on my ThinkPad 770ED. The Enhanced Video Adapter that I have does only have the support for 95/98. It does not appear to be on the IBM support site. The name is MPEG-2 decoder for Windows 2000. The attached PDF file from IBM describes very well what needs to be done and the disquette is essential. Thanks in advance. Philippe Hamelin From cph Thu Sep 7 22:41:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA05987 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:41:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04759; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:38:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04405; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA04392; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:38:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:38:13 -0400 Received: from mattwinston ([64.108.15.32]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20000908023811.FKCJ6643.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@mattwinston> for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:38:11 -0500 Message-ID: <011301c0193d$e8a4fc80$0201a8c0@ameritech.net> From: "Matt Winston" To: Subject: Pen for OS/2 Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:38:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0110_01C01913.FDAE3760" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C01913.FDAE3760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've installed Warp Connect 3 on a 730T, loaded the pen device driver = and gotten the system to recognize the pen as a mouse, its selects and = drags fine. I need help figuring out how to access any type of = handwriting recognition program or calibration settings. There is no = desktop icon for the pen, or device folder that I can find. Any hints or = tips will be appreciated.=20 Matt Winston mattwinston@ameritech.net ------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C01913.FDAE3760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've installed Warp Connect 3 on a 730T, loaded = the pen=20 device driver and gotten the system to recognize the pen as a mouse, its = selects=20 and drags fine. I need help figuring out how to access any type of = handwriting=20 recognition program or calibration settings. There is no desktop icon = for the=20 pen, or device folder that I can find. Any hints or tips will be=20 appreciated.
Matt Winston
mattwinston@ameritech.net
 
------=_NextPart_000_0110_01C01913.FDAE3760-- From cph Thu Sep 7 22:49:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA06022 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:49:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05565; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:46:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05205; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:46:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05191; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:46:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:46:17 -0400 Received: from dwreid (tnt10-216-180-65-182.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.182]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e882kE709167 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:46:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <00e101c0193e$e6d29100$b641b4d8@dwreid> From: "David Reid" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000907022249.016b8100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <39B7DDE1.6721E489@gate.net> Subject: Re: Netiquette - PC to the Nth degree..? Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:41:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Ok, ok, to offer a "pc" approach at the delema so we can continue to troubleshoot our Thinkpads, Dimitris should retract his terminology : "Or the driver guys at xircom (explicative according to some)" and amend it to say . . . "Or the driver guys at xircom draw a vacum" Boy, trying to be politically correct really sucks huh? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morrow" To: "Mark Bell" Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 1:26 PM Subject: Re: Netiquette - PC to the Nth degree..? > i think this whole thing is un-neccessary.. > AND, exists in the "eye of the beholder" more than a listing of "bad" words.. > if "suck" is a bad word, then perhaps i should not eat a lollipop or use a > straw with a cold beverage.. > > let us not fall victim to political correctness taken to an unreasonable > extreme.. > > and, in keeping with PC (political correct) thought, i hope i have not > offended anyone in any way with any words used above.. :-) > > Mark Bell wrote: > > > At 01:00 PM 09/07/2000 +0700, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote: > > >On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 03:30:07 -0100 (EET), Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis > > >wrote: > > >>Or the driver guys at xircom suck. > > > > > >In observance of netiquette, and in consideration of others not yet > > >coarsened (like my daughters), could we please avoid obscene > > >language on this list? > > > > Odd, I do not associate the word, "suck," with other much more colorful > > words normally associated with cursing and obscene word choices. Of course > > coupled with other choice words, the word, "suck," could take on a whole > > new meaning. > > > > Mark > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > > ------------------------------------------------- > > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > > Network and System consultation and installation > > -------------------------------------------------- > > -- > --- > > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > sic transit gloria > > From cph Thu Sep 7 22:53:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA06054 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:53:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06156; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:49:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05667; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:49:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05653; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:49:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:49:48 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id WAA06344; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:49:45 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id WAA20795; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:49:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000907194712.0401fde8@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 19:49:10 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) In-Reply-To: <000a01c01928$bf30b340$7462183f@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 02:07 PM 9/7/2000 -1000, you wrote: >Attaching a huge non-ASCII file to a post on this list is an evil, evil >thing to do. >We still have members who connect at 14.4K, and some mail programs - >notably Outlook Express - >hold one's computer hostage while attachments like this download. > >- David R. So quit using stupid software like Outlook Express. If software has glaring, unlivable flaws, the ultimate one to blame is the user that continues to use it. That said, its certainly bad netiquette to send big attachments to a mailing list. A lot worse than saying "sucks", that's for sure. ;-) From cph Fri Sep 8 00:13:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA06519 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:13:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10264; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:12:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:09:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09782; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09769; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:09:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:09:04 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a310.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.120]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA11275; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009080409.AAA11275@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a310.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.120] 209.198.116.120 Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:09:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:05:25 -0400 To: "Matt Winston" , In-Reply-To: <011301c0193d$e8a4fc80$0201a8c0@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: Pen for OS/2 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 List-Unsubscribe: Matt Winston" said: >I've installed Warp Connect 3 on a 730T, loaded the pen device driver and >gotten the system to recognize the pen as a mouse, its selects and drags >fine. I need help figuring out how to access any type of handwriting >recognition program or calibration settings. There is no desktop icon for the >pen, or device folder that I can find. Any hints or tips will be appreciated. > Matt Winston >mattwinston@ameritech.net Do you have just the drivers or the entire Pen for OS2 package? There are two disks in version 1.03, and (I'm assuming) two in the earlier versions. The drivers alone have been available for sometime for free so people could Walcom tablets and others - but there is more to Pen for OS2 itself. ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Sep 8 00:26:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA06601 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:26:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11349; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:22:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10895; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10882; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:22:05 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA19947; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:22:00 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000901c0194c$595c3d40$4f8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" References: <4.2.0.58.20000907194712.0401fde8@pop3.iceka.com> Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:22:02 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Me: >We still have members who connect at 14.4K, and some mail programs - >notably Outlook Express - >hold one's computer hostage while attachments like this download. Randal: " So quit using stupid software like Outlook Express. If software has glaring, unlivable flaws, the ultimate one to blame is the user that continues to use it." I wasn't thinking only of me - as it happens, for myself I've hacked a 'quick kill' button for OE for just this purpose. However, when I ran across the post in question I'd just seen a post from someone who mentioned that he was still using a 14.4 H&A modem... Things might have changed very recently, but the last time I auditioned email software OE was the only one I could get working just the way I wanted with fairly difficult email feed setups (including an IMAP4 account through a proxy and 2 firewalls). In fact, other than the lack of quick kill, and a very bad choice of option defaults (the main cause of OE security problems), OE is really quite a good piece of software for email. As far as I'm concerned, the only real contender is The Bat from RitLabs, and I can't make up my mind whether the marginal improvement is worth the cost and hassle of switching. - David R. From cph Fri Sep 8 00:34:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA06629 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:34:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA12342; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:33:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:30:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11739; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:30:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11725; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:30:31 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.64] (helo=dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13XFo6-00076o-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 04:30:30 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.52] (helo=isdn30-52.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp4.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13XFo5-0002S2-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 04:30:29 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: [560] Cardbus Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 23:29:37 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id AAA06633 Is this the same as a pcmcia slot? The card looks the same. I want USB on my 560 so I picked up a pcally CardBus USB from Fry's. PnP with Win98, which I am running. The card was hard to put in the pcmcia slot due to some bumps on the top of the end that connects. The pins look the same. Nonetherless Win98 would not pick it up. So I manually put in the generic USB driver (which is what the manual shows this card uses) and still no go. What am I doing wrong? Maybe the CardBus is different than pcmcia (pc card)? Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Fri Sep 8 00:58:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA06769 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:58:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13820; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:58:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:55:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13460; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:55:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rabacal.direct.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13446; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:55:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from rabacal.direct.ca (199.60.229.8 -> rabacal.direct.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 00:55:15 -0400 Received: from bc-van-wwd-a53-01-67.look.ca ([216.66.143.163] helo=direct.ca) by rabacal.direct.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 13XGBv-0004II-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 21:55:07 -0700 Message-ID: <39B86EFB.F900AE09@direct.ca> Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 21:45:47 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph Fri Sep 8 01:04:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA06797 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:04:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14412; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:00:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13996; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13982; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:00:21 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-178.gate.net [207.36.212.178]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA138730; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:00:09 -0400 Message-ID: <39B8728C.C870F621@gate.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 01:01:01 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Ford CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [365XD] upgrading HD and ram? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: 365X series will support a 64meg memory upgrade.. expensive.. about $200.. HDD..? up to 6.4gig, as long as it is 12.5mm thick or less.. most are now 9mm.. cost varies.. Mike Ford wrote: > I haven't been on the list in a LONG time, just putting along with my 365XD > 24/810 with even the IBM Home and Away 14.4k modem/ethernet card working > just fine. Time has come, upgrade or die. > > Ram I think is sorted out, buy a 32 MB SO Dimm 3.3v EDO 42H2769 or better a > Kingston KTM760ELD32, and sell the 16 MB thats in it. > > Hard Drive has me a bit confused, IBM is telling me only the original > options should be used, ie 810 mb (what I have now) and 1.08 GB. That > stinks if true, as several local places have TravelStar 4.3 GB drives for > less than $90. What looks most tempting at about $45 is IBM Travelstar > 2110MB (2.1GB) IDE Hard Drive Model # DCRA-22110. The higher capacity > Travelstar is 9.5 mm, the smaller is 17 mm. Neither have IBM carriers, but > I am guessing I can reuse my old one. Can I be sure its going to fit/work > before installing it? > > What is a good way to back up my hard drive? I have a working 10bt ethernet > network at home, right now all Mac, but soon to have a couple PCs (W95 > various *nix) on it. Ideally I would like to backup over the network and > burn a CDR so I could just pop the CDR into the 365XD and restore. I also > have the little adapter that converts a laptop drive into a normal IDE that > can plug into a desktop PC. One store suggested I use that and a program > called "drivecopy". Thanks for any help. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Sep 8 01:09:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA06828 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:09:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14691; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:03:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14330; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA14295; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:03:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:03:03 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-178.gate.net [207.36.212.178]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA15906; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:02:59 -0400 Message-ID: <39B87330.84FA30A0@gate.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 01:03:44 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Ford CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [365XD] upgrading HD and ram? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: 365X series will support a 64meg memory upgrade.. expensive.. about $200.. HDD..? up to 6.4gig, as long as it is 12.5mm thick or less.. most are now 9mm.. cost varies.. drive copy is OK.. its SUPPOSED to work over a LAN, but i have not been successful.. Apricorn has a product that will copy from one HDD to a second HDD connected to a PCMCIA card.. works very well... there are other drive to drive solutions available.. Mike Ford wrote: > I haven't been on the list in a LONG time, just putting along with my 365XD > 24/810 with even the IBM Home and Away 14.4k modem/ethernet card working > just fine. Time has come, upgrade or die. > > Ram I think is sorted out, buy a 32 MB SO Dimm 3.3v EDO 42H2769 or better a > Kingston KTM760ELD32, and sell the 16 MB thats in it. > > Hard Drive has me a bit confused, IBM is telling me only the original > options should be used, ie 810 mb (what I have now) and 1.08 GB. That > stinks if true, as several local places have TravelStar 4.3 GB drives for > less than $90. What looks most tempting at about $45 is IBM Travelstar > 2110MB (2.1GB) IDE Hard Drive Model # DCRA-22110. The higher capacity > Travelstar is 9.5 mm, the smaller is 17 mm. Neither have IBM carriers, but > I am guessing I can reuse my old one. Can I be sure its going to fit/work > before installing it? > > What is a good way to back up my hard drive? I have a working 10bt ethernet > network at home, right now all Mac, but soon to have a couple PCs (W95 > various *nix) on it. Ideally I would like to backup over the network and > burn a CDR so I could just pop the CDR into the 365XD and restore. I also > have the little adapter that converts a laptop drive into a normal IDE that > can plug into a desktop PC. One store suggested I use that and a program > called "drivecopy". Thanks for any help. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Sep 8 01:14:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA06886 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:14:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15520; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:13:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:11:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15199; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:11:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot13.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15185; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:11:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot13.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.33 -> pilot13.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:11:37 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm454-19.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.221]) by pilot13.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e885BXD96212 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 01:11:33 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000908010629.01d08b00@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 01:11:29 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [365XD] upgrading HD and ram? In-Reply-To: <39B8728C.C870F621@gate.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Bill, When you say that a unit like the 365 can only handle a 6.4G disk, are you in essence referring to the largest disk that the bios knows about in terms of disk geometries, etc? The reason I ask, is a friend wants to try some version of Linux, and wants to use a larger disk than the common wisdom says you can. If its a matter of dealing with disk geometries, then I would think that as long as the Linux partition (or whatever) starts within a boundary that the bios can deal with, once the op system is going it wouldn't have to use bios geometries at all, and might work on a larger disk. Or, are there other reasons why so many of the older TP's max out at 6.4G? Thanks! --STeve Andre' At 01:01 AM 9/8/00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >365X series will support a 64meg memory upgrade.. >expensive.. about $200.. > >HDD..? up to 6.4gig, as long as it is 12.5mm thick or less.. >most are now 9mm.. cost varies.. > >Mike Ford wrote: > > > I haven't been on the list in a LONG time, just putting along with my 365XD > > 24/810 with even the IBM Home and Away 14.4k modem/ethernet card working > > just fine. Time has come, upgrade or die. > > > > Ram I think is sorted out, buy a 32 MB SO Dimm 3.3v EDO 42H2769 or better a > > Kingston KTM760ELD32, and sell the 16 MB thats in it. > > > > Hard Drive has me a bit confused, IBM is telling me only the original > > options should be used, ie 810 mb (what I have now) and 1.08 GB. That > > stinks if true, as several local places have TravelStar 4.3 GB drives for > > less than $90. What looks most tempting at about $45 is IBM Travelstar > > 2110MB (2.1GB) IDE Hard Drive Model # DCRA-22110. The higher capacity > > Travelstar is 9.5 mm, the smaller is 17 mm. Neither have IBM carriers, but > > I am guessing I can reuse my old one. Can I be sure its going to fit/work > > before installing it? > > > > What is a good way to back up my hard drive? I have a working 10bt ethernet > > network at home, right now all Mac, but soon to have a couple PCs (W95 > > various *nix) on it. Ideally I would like to backup over the network and > > burn a CDR so I could just pop the CDR into the 365XD and restore. I also > > have the little adapter that converts a laptop drive into a normal IDE that > > can plug into a desktop PC. One store suggested I use that and a program > > called "drivecopy". Thanks for any help. > >-- >--- > >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net >open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? >sic transit gloria From cph Fri Sep 8 02:10:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA07121 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 02:10:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18326; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 02:10:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 02:08:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18165; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 02:08:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18143; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 02:08:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (142.90.106.106 -> andrew1.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 02:08:06 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e8867oj15127 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu.AVP; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:07:50 -0700 Received: from sfupc (ppp08.Triumf.CA [142.90.100.86]) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8867lO15123; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:07:47 -0700 Message-ID: <007a01c0195a$fe88c0a0$03785a8e@triumf.ca> From: "peter machule" To: , "STeve Andre'" References: <4.3.2.7.0.20000908010629.01d08b00@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: [365XD] upgrading HD and ram? Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:06:55 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: IBM has a real problem with BIOS support of larger HD's . This is NOT only a Thinkpad problem but also includes their Engineering Workstations . We have Intellistations that do not support HD's larger than 8.4GB's !! They have updated the Bios on this model ~20 times, with the last update a few weeks ago. You'd think the idiots could figure out how to add the ext. int13h Code for large HD support to a slightly older BIOS. It is soooo trivial . I had this esculated to 2nd level and even had IBM's Cust Service call me to apologize . Nothing so far after 3 weeks of waiting . Thanks for letting me rant . ;-} ..peter.. And yes the 6.4Gb problem is a BIOS issue. Hmmm shouldn't that be a 8.4GB ? I wonder if the idiots are using a simple lookup table . ie. fixed disk geometries, LOL ----- Original Message ----- From: STeve Andre' To: Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2000 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [365XD] upgrading HD and ram? > Bill, When you say that a unit like the 365 can only handle a 6.4G disk, > are you in essence referring to the largest disk that the bios knows about > in terms of disk geometries, etc? > > The reason I ask, is a friend wants to try some version of Linux, and wants > to use a larger disk than the common wisdom says you can. If its a matter > of dealing with disk geometries, then I would think that as long as the > Linux partition (or whatever) starts within a boundary that the bios can > deal with, once the op system is going it wouldn't have to use bios > geometries at all, and might work on a larger disk. > > Or, are there other reasons why so many of the older TP's max out at > 6.4G? > From cph Fri Sep 8 03:38:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA07445 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 03:38:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21728; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 03:27:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 03:25:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21470; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 03:25:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA21457; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 03:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 03:25:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (turgut@localhost) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00456 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:24:28 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:24:28 +0300 (EET DST) From: Turgut Kalfaoglu To: thinkpad discussion list Subject: Win ME and Hibernation Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Hibernation does not seem possible under WinME, no matter what I load. I have re-re-loaded utilities, and even the latest 'TP General - Windows ME Installation Supplement Pack' , and still my A20m will not show a Hibernate page on power settings. Typical scenario: Click on Thinkpad Configuration, go into Power Management->Battery Maximizer Wizard, click on ENABLE HIBERNATION. Click on Create Now button of the hibernation file details. It instantly says, successful. Click on Close. Note with dismay that the button still says 'ENABLE HIBERNATION' (not Disable Hibernation). Sigh.. -turgut ----- Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Fri Sep 8 04:10:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA07546 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:10:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24827; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:10:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:08:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24658; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:08:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA24643; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:08:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:08:27 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-178.gate.net [207.36.212.178]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA47574; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:08:17 -0400 Message-ID: <39B89E9E.6FBD3F37@gate.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 04:09:02 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Turgut Kalfaoglu CC: thinkpad discussion list Subject: Re: Win ME and Hibernation References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: A customer has been using WinME, the release version and the recent beta releases on his 770X and A20p.. he has not mentioned any difficulty with hibernation or anything at all with WinME.. Turgut Kalfaoglu wrote: > Hibernation does not seem possible under WinME, no matter what I load. > I have re-re-loaded utilities, and even the latest 'TP General - Windows > ME Installation Supplement Pack' , and still my A20m will not show a > Hibernate page on power settings. > > Typical scenario: > Click on Thinkpad Configuration, go into Power Management->Battery > Maximizer Wizard, click on ENABLE HIBERNATION. Click on Create Now button > of the hibernation file details. It instantly says, successful. Click on > Close. Note with dismay that the button still says 'ENABLE HIBERNATION' > (not Disable Hibernation). > > Sigh.. -turgut > > ----- > Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr > All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Sep 8 04:24:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA07608 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:23:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25855; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:22:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25632; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA25619; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:22:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (turgut@localhost) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA03449; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:20:16 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:20:16 +0300 (EET DST) From: Turgut Kalfaoglu To: Randal Whittle cc: thinkpad discussion list Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000907194712.0401fde8@pop3.iceka.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Can I seriously recommend PMMAIL? It's an EXCELLENT email program, with built-in PGP, folders, filters, multi-accounts, etc. I have been using it for years; and they keep coming up with updates every few months. It's available both for Win and OS/2. The link is: http://www.blueprintsoftwareworks.com -turgut ----- Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Fri Sep 8 04:29:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA07624 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:29:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27239; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:27:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26190; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:27:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA26174; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:27:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:27:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (turgut@localhost) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA03782; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:26:27 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:26:26 +0300 (EET DST) From: Turgut Kalfaoglu To: Bill Morrow cc: thinkpad discussion list Subject: Re: Win ME and Hibernation In-Reply-To: <39B89E9E.6FBD3F37@gate.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Bill Morrow wrote: > A customer has been using WinME, the release version and the recent beta > releases on his 770X and A20p.. Thanks, I'll keep trying then, it must be possible to get it to work, somehow.. -turgut ----- Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Fri Sep 8 04:36:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA07648 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:36:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28033; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:34:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27728; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:34:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27715; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:34:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:34:37 -0400 Received: from user-38ld7do.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld7do.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.157.184]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA16417; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009080834.EAA16417@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "letoured@sover.net" , "Matt Winston" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 04:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200009080409.AAA11275@pike.sover.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Pen for OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: If you hit a brick wall, you can build an Icon in OS/2. On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 00:05:25 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >There is no desktop icon for the >>pen, or device folder that I can find. Any hints or tips will be appreciated. From cph Fri Sep 8 04:36:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA07652 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:36:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28168; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:35:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27783; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:35:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27679; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:33:43 -0400 Received: from user-38ld7do.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld7do.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.157.184]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA00488; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009080833.EAA00488@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "David Ross" , "Randal Whittle" , "TP List" Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 04:41:14 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <000901c0194c$595c3d40$4f8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) List-Unsubscribe: Exchange client, and it's new brother full Outlook, make OE look good by comparison. If you want to live at a snail's pace, try any of the three over RAS or DUN. On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:22:02 -1000, David Ross wrote: >>We still have members who connect at 14.4K, and some mail programs - >>notably Outlook Express - >>hold one's computer hostage while attachments like this download. From cph Fri Sep 8 04:40:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA07660 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:40:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28841; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:38:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28605; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28581; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:38:22 -0400 Received: from slip202-135-85-223.pe.nz.ibm.net ([202.135.85.223]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <200009080837152520095kbte>; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:37:16 +0000 From: dmhills@attglobal.net (Don Hills) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Netiquette Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 23:19:06 +1200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <200009070601.CAA08820@cs.utk.edu> Lines: 15 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.38Beta [OS/2] List-Unsubscribe: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" wrote: >On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 03:30:07 -0100 (EET), Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis >wrote: >>Or the driver guys at xircom suck. > >In observance of netiquette, and in consideration of others not yet >coarsened (like my daughters), could we please avoid obscene >language on this list? I also have 2 young daughters. Like you, I don't wish to expose them to words such as "Xircom". But I would like to know, if you are so protective of their innocence, why are your daughters reading this list? -- Don Hills (dmhills at attglobaldotnet) Wellington, New Zealand From cph Fri Sep 8 04:42:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA07679 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:42:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA29225; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:40:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28864; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA28580; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:38:22 -0400 Received: from user-38ld7do.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld7do.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.157.184]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA04779; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009080837.EAA04779@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Randal Whittle" , "Turgut Kalfaoglu" Cc: "thinkpad discussion list" Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 04:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) List-Unsubscribe: I use PMMail on both my Win95 TP760XL for office use, and at home on my OS/2 desktop. It's address books work in both, so I can keep them in sync. Messages are cross platform as well. On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:20:16 +0300 (EET DST), Turgut Kalfaoglu wrote: >Can I seriously recommend PMMAIL? It's an EXCELLENT email program, >with built-in PGP, folders, filters, multi-accounts, etc. >I have been using it for years; and they keep coming up with updates >every few months. It's available both for Win and OS/2. From cph Fri Sep 8 04:53:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA07710 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:53:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA00578; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:53:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:51:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA00211; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA00196; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:51:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 04:51:39 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA20670 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:51:32 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <007101c01972$0216f900$f462183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "TP List" References: <200009080833.EAA00488@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:51:33 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Allen: "Exchange client, and it's new brother full Outlook, make OE look good by comparison. If you want to live at a snail's pace, try any of the three over RAS or DUN." I'm using OE over DUN right now, but this is v. 5 on W95; is the newer version of OE worse? Turgut: "Can I seriously recommend PMMAIL? It's an EXCELLENT email program, with built-in PGP, folders, filters, multi-accounts, etc." I cannot use PMMAIL, as it does not support IMAP. The other features are all included in both OE and The Bat (and other clients to greater or lesser extent). - David R. From cph Fri Sep 8 05:12:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA07794 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:12:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01706; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:10:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01550; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:10:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01537; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:10:41 -0400 Received: from user-38ld7do.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld7do.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.157.184]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA12612; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:10:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009080910.FAA12612@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "David Ross" , "TP List" Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 05:18:43 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <007101c01972$0216f900$f462183f@math.hawaii.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) List-Unsubscribe: I am still using Exchange client over DUN, and it has taken over 20 minutes to logon and partially pull up the Inbox. Outlook is just the same. I probably should retract any reference to OE, as experience with it over a remote connection is limited. Sorry for any reference to OE. But I would "guess" that it is much the same as the other two regarding speed of sending/receiving remotely, and probably completely takes over the machine when a msg arrives as do the other two. DO try the PMMail though, if only for the demo period. I think you will be pleasantly suprised. Thu, 7 Sep 2000 22:51:33 -1000, David Ross wrote: >Allen: > >"Exchange client, and it's new brother full Outlook, make >OE look good by comparison. If you want to live at >a snail's pace, try any of the three over RAS or DUN." > >I'm using OE over DUN right now, but this is v. 5 on W95; is the newer >version of OE worse? > >Turgut: > >"Can I seriously recommend PMMAIL? It's an EXCELLENT email program, >with built-in PGP, folders, filters, multi-accounts, etc." > >I cannot use PMMAIL, as it does not support IMAP. The other features >are all >included in both OE and The Bat (and other clients to greater or lesser >extent). > >- David R. > > From cph Fri Sep 8 05:15:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA07801 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:15:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02109; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:14:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:13:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01850; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01837; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:13:12 -0400 Received: from user-38ld7do.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld7do.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.157.184]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA11487; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009080913.FAA11487@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Don Hills" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 05:21:13 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Netiquette List-Unsubscribe: I don't have any children, but as for my self, I am greatly upset at the word "Microsoft." I would ask everyone to not use that word nor allow its use in the schools or public places. I want to protect my nieces and nephews. On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 23:19:06 +1200, Don Hills wrote: >"Dr. Jeffrey Race" wrote: >>On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 03:30:07 -0100 (EET), Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis >>wrote: >>>Or the driver guys at xircom suck. >> >>In observance of netiquette, and in consideration of others not yet >>coarsened (like my daughters), could we please avoid obscene >>language on this list? > >I also have 2 young daughters. Like you, I don't wish to expose them to >words such as "Xircom". But I would like to know, if you are so protective >of their innocence, why are your daughters reading this list? > >-- >Don Hills (dmhills at attglobaldotnet) Wellington, New Zealand From cph Fri Sep 8 05:26:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA07838 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:26:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA07003; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:24:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06747; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA06733; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:24:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 05:24:22 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA20751 for ; Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:24:17 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <007f01c01976$940d2a60$f462183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "TP List" References: <200009080910.FAA12612@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2000 23:24:22 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "should retract any reference to OE, as experience with it over a remote connection is limited. Sorry for any reference to OE." No need to apologize to *me*; despite my posts in this thread I am no OE-rooter (Ozzie listers: no pun intended). That is why I try a whole bunch of alternate clients for comparison every year or so. "probably completely takes over the machine when a msg arrives as do the other two." In theory it is fully 32 bit multi-threaded, so shouldn't, and in fact it doesn't, though the implementation is flawed and in practice it does slow things down a lot. This is one area where The Bat is supposed to excel. "DO try the PMMail though, if only for the demo period. I think you will be pleasantly suprised." I can't, since my main server is IMAP4 and PMMail doesn't support IMAP (btw, their web site is remarkably uninformative on features; one has to root around on the web through reviews to discover the lack of IMAP support). I could give up IMAP and use POP instead, but this is such a huge step backwards in functionality that I won't even consider it. - David R. From cph Fri Sep 8 10:25:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA09286 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:25:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28164; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:22:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27839; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:22:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27826; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:22:27 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13XP2v-00017H-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:22:25 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.52] (helo=isdn30-52.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13XP2u-0005sh-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:22:24 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:21:09 -0500 Message-ID: References: <4.2.0.58.20000907194712.0401fde8@pop3.iceka.com> <000901c0194c$595c3d40$4f8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <000901c0194c$595c3d40$4f8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA09287 On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:22:02 -1000, "David Ross" wrote: >As far as I'm concerned, the only real contender is The Bat from >RitLabs How does Agent compare, if you've used it? Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Fri Sep 8 10:31:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA09346 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:31:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29380; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:29:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29070; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29056; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (129.250.36.41 -> dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 10:29:25 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13XP9e-00012X-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:29:22 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.52] (helo=isdn30-52.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13XP9e-0006Ms-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:29:22 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: [560] Cardbus Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:28:07 -0500 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA09347 On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 23:29:37 -0500, John Small wrote: >Is this the same as a pcmcia slot? The card looks the same. Couple of guys wrote to tell me CardBus is a 32 bit implementation of the original 16 bit pcmcia slot. The bumps on the card prevent a 16 bit slot from being used. I have never heard of CardBus before now. Is there anything that will provide USB on my 560? Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Fri Sep 8 11:40:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA10071 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:40:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06396; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:37:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06094; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06060; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:37:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:37:33 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.199] (helo=139-142-112-199.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13XQCo-000KPM-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 08:36:43 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 07:59:21 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <200009080910.FAA12612@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> <007f01c01976$940d2a60$f462183f@math.hawaii.edu> Lines: 40 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: For mail and news I use YARN, another OS/2 program that has been ported to Win95, and like it very well. It is freeware. The developer has stopped working on it, but won't release the source code. Lots of people want to port it to *nix. His reason evidently is that the code is an embarrassment and he wants to tidy it up before releasing it. Been wanting to tidy for about 5 years. Anyway YARN, with VSOUP, works. Concerning OE: I installed OE along with MS IE 5.01 Service Pack 1 on a friend's computer (Compaq Presario 2200, 180 MHz Pentium-equivalent with 30 MB RAM [I think the video grabs 2 MB]). I hate to say it, but I am impressed with its performance. It dials, polls your POP mailbox [pulls in the mail, if there is any], and hangs up almost before you know it, at 28.8. And IE 5.01 isn't bad, either. What is the world coming to, Microsoft producing not bad software. I'm almost tempted to install IE 5.01 on this 40 MB 486/75 701. Almost. I'd be interested to hear about performance from any 486'er who has. I'm still using Netscape 3.04, but am attracted by the superior offline browsing features of IE 5.01. > >"probably >completely takes over the machine when a msg arrives as do the >other two." > That could well be (though not as much as SCSI scanners do, I bet!). My friend just does personal email, so no big files, it isn't an issue. -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Fri Sep 8 12:08:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10402 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:08:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09658; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:06:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09446; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09417; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:06:29 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13XQfa-0006z1-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:06:26 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.52] (helo=isdn30-52.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13XQfY-0001M4-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:06:24 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:05:07 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200009080910.FAA12612@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> <007f01c01976$940d2a60$f462183f@math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA10403 On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 07:59:21 -0800, jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) wrote: >I'm almost tempted to install IE 5.01 on this 40 MB 486/75 701. >Almost. I'd be interested to hear about performance from >any 486'er who has. I'm still using Netscape 3.04, but am >attracted by the superior offline browsing features of IE 5.01. I put IE 5 on the 701c (24mb ram, DX4/75) with the mainstay Netscape 3.01 being there already. I think IE is faster (it was on my 560 P120 40mb as well). I too was shocked that this M$ software was faster and had a more pleasing interface (once I customized it to my liking) than Netscape. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Fri Sep 8 12:11:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10438 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:11:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10237; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:11:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:09:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10033; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10018; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (216.101.175.230 -> smtp.innovisions.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:09:30 -0400 Received: by mailsf.innoventry.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:05:45 -0700 Message-ID: <818E2295B394D211BF1B0008C709553E0212FFDE@mailsf.innoventry.com> From: Mitchell Yee To: "'Allan Ballard'" , David Ross , Randal Whittle , TP List Subject: Mail Clients, was: Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:05:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I can't resist: I'm stuck at an office that is beholden to the MS credo, which means I'm reading this list with Outlook. I've been using email since ... (well, a long time), and Outlook is by far the worst mail client I have had the displeasure to use. Exchange server will crash about once a month - there are times when I can type faster than the client will throw characters up on the screen, blah blah blah. Stay away from it. Outlook definitely makes it's cousin, Outlook Express look great in comparison. Of course, you've gotta love those VB macros plug-ins!!!! And I'm not using RAS or DUN - LAN-T1 connection. And, to compound the farce, I'm working at a start-up. Pegasus and Eudora haven't shown up in this totally non-Thinkpad related thread. Pegasus isn't bad. Mitchell -----Original Message----- From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 1:41 AM To: David Ross; Randal Whittle; TP List Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) Exchange client, and it's new brother full Outlook, make OE look good by comparison. If you want to live at a snail's pace, try any of the three over RAS or DUN. On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:22:02 -1000, David Ross wrote: >>We still have members who connect at 14.4K, and some mail programs - >>notably Outlook Express - >>hold one's computer hostage while attachments like this download. From cph Fri Sep 8 12:18:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10513 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:18:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10852; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:13:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10643; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:13:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot04.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA10628; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:13:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot04.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.24 -> pilot04.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:13:19 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cherryholmes.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.41]) by pilot04.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e88GDG299134 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:13:16 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000908121108.01d074f0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 12:13:30 -0400 To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments In-Reply-To: References: <200009080910.FAA12612@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> <007f01c01976$940d2a60$f462183f@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: (a small voice in the wilderness can be herd calling out:) "Try Opera. It works wonderfully on older slower machines, and takes a fraction of the memory / disk that Netscape/IE does (www.opera.com)" (and fades away) At 11:05 AM 9/8/00 -0500, John Small wrote: >On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 07:59:21 -0800, jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) >wrote: > > >I'm almost tempted to install IE 5.01 on this 40 MB 486/75 701. > >Almost. I'd be interested to hear about performance from > >any 486'er who has. I'm still using Netscape 3.04, but am > >attracted by the superior offline browsing features of IE 5.01. > >I put IE 5 on the 701c (24mb ram, DX4/75) with the mainstay Netscape 3.01 >being >there already. I think IE is faster (it was on my 560 P120 40mb as well). > >I too was shocked that this M$ software was faster and had a more pleasing >interface (once I customized it to my liking) than Netscape. > >-jts >ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Fri Sep 8 12:22:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10539 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:22:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11853; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:18:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:16:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11539; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11526; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:16:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from porkchop.ubh.com (216.98.165.6) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:16:37 -0400 Received: by porkchop.ubh.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:18:36 -0500 Message-ID: From: Greg Langham To: "'Mitchell Yee'" , TP List Subject: RE: Mail Clients, was: Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:18:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C019B0.706821E8" List-Unsubscribe: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C019B0.706821E8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sounds like you have a poor network, admin, or server. Exchange Server with Outlook is very stable, and very good, IMHO. We run 18 locations and multiple servers with Exchange Server 5.5 and it works very well. The Outlook 2000 client runs well on my ThinkPad. (There, now it's not too off topic) :-) Greg -----Original Message----- From: Mitchell Yee [mailto:myee@innoventry.com] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 11:06 AM To: 'Allan Ballard'; David Ross; Randal Whittle; TP List Subject: Mail Clients, was: Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) I can't resist: I'm stuck at an office that is beholden to the MS credo, which means I'm reading this list with Outlook. I've been using email since ... (well, a long time), and Outlook is by far the worst mail client I have had the displeasure to use. Exchange server will crash about once a month - there are times when I can type faster than the client will throw characters up on the screen, blah blah blah. Stay away from it. Outlook definitely makes it's cousin, Outlook Express look great in comparison. Of course, you've gotta love those VB macros plug-ins!!!! And I'm not using RAS or DUN - LAN-T1 connection. And, to compound the farce, I'm working at a start-up. Pegasus and Eudora haven't shown up in this totally non-Thinkpad related thread. Pegasus isn't bad. Mitchell -----Original Message----- From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 1:41 AM To: David Ross; Randal Whittle; TP List Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) Exchange client, and it's new brother full Outlook, make OE look good by comparison. If you want to live at a snail's pace, try any of the three over RAS or DUN. On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:22:02 -1000, David Ross wrote: >>We still have members who connect at 14.4K, and some mail programs - >>notably Outlook Express - >>hold one's computer hostage while attachments like this download. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C019B0.706821E8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: Mail Clients, was: Attachments (was: MPEG-2 = Decoder...)

Sounds like you have a poor network, admin, or = server. Exchange Server with Outlook is very stable, and very good, = IMHO. We run 18 locations and multiple servers with Exchange Server 5.5 = and it works very well.

The Outlook 2000 client runs well on my ThinkPad. = (There, now it's not too off topic) :-)

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Mitchell Yee [mailto:myee@innoventry.com]
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 11:06 AM
To: 'Allan Ballard'; David Ross; Randal Whittle; TP = List
Subject: Mail Clients, was: Attachments (was: MPEG-2 = Decoder...)


I can't resist:  I'm stuck at an office = that
is beholden to the MS credo, which means I'm = reading
this list with Outlook.

I've been using email since ... (well, a long = time),
and Outlook is by far the worst mail client I = have
had the displeasure to use.  Exchange server = will
crash about once a month - there are times when = I
can type faster than the client will throw = characters
up on the screen, blah blah blah.  Stay away = from
it.  Outlook definitely makes it's cousin, = Outlook Express
look great in comparison.  Of course, you've = gotta love
those VB macros plug-ins!!!!  And I'm not using = RAS
or DUN - LAN-T1 connection.  And, to compound = the farce,
I'm working at a start-up.

Pegasus and Eudora haven't shown up in this = totally
non-Thinkpad related thread.  Pegasus isn't = bad.

Mitchell

-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Ballard [mailto:aballard@ix.netcom.com= ]
Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 1:41 AM
To: David Ross; Randal Whittle; TP List
Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments (was: MPEG-2 = Decoder...)


Exchange client, and it's new brother full Outlook, = make
OE look good by comparison. If you want to live = at
a snail's pace, try any of the three over RAS or = DUN.

On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:22:02 -1000, David Ross = wrote:

>>We still have members who connect at 14.4K, = and some mail programs -
>>notably Outlook Express -
>>hold one's computer hostage while = attachments like this download.

------_=_NextPart_001_01C019B0.706821E8-- From cph Fri Sep 8 12:29:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10607 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:29:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13441; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:26:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13171; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13157; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:26:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (129.250.36.41 -> dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 12:26:49 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13XQzG-00047s-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:26:46 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.52] (helo=isdn30-52.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13XQzF-0006tY-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 16:26:45 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Mail Clients, was: Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 11:25:27 -0500 Message-ID: <7i4irs46p9478m70u0k7pe04fchrv9kr9d@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA10608 On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 11:18:35 -0500 , Greg Langham wrote: >The Outlook 2000 client runs well on my ThinkPad. (There, now it's not too >off topic) :-) Not at all ... I've been debating whether to put it on or not (I have an iPAQ PDA that came with it). I don't want to as Agent works fine for me and when I used Outlook (or whatever its predecessor was called) with Win95 initially I thought it the most ridiculously convoluted piece of software I'd ever used (been using software since '65). If I do decided to use it on my TP560, any suggestions on how to get up to speed with it? Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Fri Sep 8 13:29:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA11075 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:29:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19878; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:25:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19679; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:25:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0m.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19666; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:25:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0m.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.42 -> www0m.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:25:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 20614 invoked by uid 60001); 8 Sep 2000 17:25:34 -0000 Message-ID: <20000908172534.20613.qmail@www0m.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.42 by www0m for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Fri Sep 8 17:25:34 GMT 2000 Date: 8 Sep 00 12:25:34 CDT From: Rob Bell To: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: TrackPoint Problems on 600X w/Win2K X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA11076 I'm probably missing something obvious here, so please set me straight: On my 600X running Win2000 the TrackPoint functions differently than it does on my 770. On the 770 I used to be able to plug in a mouse at any time and have both the mouse and TP active at the same time. This meant that I could unplug the mouse and the TP would still work. On the 600X it seems to only allow one to work (either the TP or mouse, not both). And when I unplug the mouse the TP does not start working. What do I need to do to at least have the TP come to life when the mouse is removed, but preferrably allow both to work together all the time? Thanks! Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Fri Sep 8 13:47:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA11279 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:47:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21228; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:35:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20888; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.internal (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20866; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.internal (209.166.154.244 -> isdn244.vocollect.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:35:24 -0400 Received: from brianb (brianb.internal [172.31.6.12]) by mail.internal (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA11214 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:36:34 -0400 From: "Brian Bender" To: "'TP List'" Subject: RE: Mail Clients, was: Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:34:15 -0400 Message-ID: <007b01c019bb$031a7c20$1427a8c0@brianb> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 In-Reply-To: <818E2295B394D211BF1B0008C709553E0212FFDE@mailsf.innoventry.com> List-Unsubscribe: I'll definitely second the vote for Pegasus (http://www.pmail.com) -- it's very flexible (though, like Mitchell, I'm MS-bound at work, I use Pegasus for my own account on my own PC when it's booted NT5). About the only thing missing is the gaggle of vulnerabilities that come from having a scripting language embedded in your _mail client_ . Eudora, I found, wasn't great at managing more than one email account. Pegasus is super in that sense. And Pegasus is free (as in beer ). - Brian Bender Pittsburgh, PA, USA TP600: 10GB HDD, 224MB RAM, WinNT5 / Slack7 Linux dual-booting nicely. -----Original Message----- From: Mitchell Yee [mailto:myee@innoventry.com] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 12:06 PM To: 'Allan Ballard'; David Ross; Randal Whittle; TP List Subject: Mail Clients, was: Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) I can't resist: I'm stuck at an office that is beholden to the MS credo, which means I'm reading this list with Outlook. Pegasus and Eudora haven't shown up in this totally non-Thinkpad related thread. Pegasus isn't bad. Mitchell From cph Fri Sep 8 14:04:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA11426 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:04:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24380; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:03:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:02:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24182; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x-mailer.polytechnique.fr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24143; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x-mailer.polytechnique.fr (129.104.35.1 -> x-mailer.polytechnique.fr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:02:05 -0400 Received: from daphne.math.polytechnique.fr (IDENT:root@daphne.math.polytechnique.fr [129.104.3.3]) by x-mailer.polytechnique.fr (x.y.z/x.y.z) with ESMTP id VAA14911 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:01:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from (planchon@localhost) by daphne.math.polytechnique.fr (8.9.3/jtpda-5.3.1) id UAA02455 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 20:01:58 +0200 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 20:01:58 +0200 From: Fabrice Planchon To: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: buying power cord in NYC Message-ID: <20000908200158.A1299@math.polytechnique.fr> References: <005501c018fc$c891d6c0$9e62183f@math.hawaii.edu> <20000907180105.A30324@math.polytechnique.fr> <4.2.0.58.20000907102737.0285de00@pop3.iceka.com> <20000907180105.A30324@math.polytechnique.fr> <200009071656.MAA08835@amanda.dorsai.org> <20000907180105.A30324@math.polytechnique.fr> <39B7BED2.32436E54@worldnet.att.net> <39B7DB70.CE1F31C1@gate.net> <20000907180105.A30324@math.polytechnique.fr> <39B7BED2.32436E54@worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.1i In-Reply-To: <39B7BED2.32436E54@worldnet.att.net>; from BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net on Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 12:14:10PM -0400 Organization: Ecole Polytechnique List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to all for your answers, I got a new powercord ! On Thu Sep 07 2000 at 12:14:10PM -0400, Birger Petterson wrote: > Try J&R , I think its photo-J&R Photo- not sure. couldn't find them in the Yellow Pages... On Thu Sep 07 2000 at 02:16:16PM -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > but best would be, again, a radio shack.. actually, RS was helpless. The guy looked at me like I was ET or something and suggested Circuit City... > J&R Photo may be more easily found than a radio shack in downtowm well, there are actually Radio Shacks every 10 blocks or so on 5th Av ! On Thu Sep 07 2000 at 12:56:06PM -0400, John Higgins wrote: > Best bets: Datavision or RCS in Midtown. Also, call IBM for a repair shop Datavision did it ! $20 though, given the $-Euro exchange rate, I feel a bit ripped off.. oh well... RCS is gone, the place is empty and you could barely see the erased name on the windows, F. From cph Fri Sep 8 14:15:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA11561 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:15:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25708; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:15:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:13:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25483; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:13:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25452; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.147.1.143 -> chmls05.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:13:22 -0400 Received: from laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA06827 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:13:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: Used or refurb 600 reliable source? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:13:21 -0400 Message-ID: <006901c019c0$78c44dc0$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Is there a reliable source for a used or refurbished TP 600? We're looking for one at a fair price. Thanks -- Jeff From cph Fri Sep 8 14:34:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA11716 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:34:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27810; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:33:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:31:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27535; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27521; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:31:28 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA21776; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:31:18 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002501c019c2$fdc882a0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Jeffrey Baker" , References: <006901c019c0$78c44dc0$0200a8c0@laptop> Subject: Re: Used or refurb 600 reliable source? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:31:22 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: IBM nearly always has the 600 for sale refurbed at their outlet store; daily stock and prices are at http://commerce-03.www.ibm.com/icc/retail.PDF Their prices are usually not the best out there, but at least you're buying from a reputable company:-) Other dealers who always show up when I'm looking for refurbed or clearance ThinkPads are starlex.com and intellesale.com; I can't vouch for either. You can also ask Bill Morrow. Recently someone on this list (Mark Bell?) asked if anyone had tried the recent IBM Canada deal on the 600; did he get a response? - David R ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 8:13 AM Subject: Used or refurb 600 reliable source? Is there a reliable source for a used or refurbished TP 600? We're looking for one at a fair price. Thanks -- Jeff From cph Fri Sep 8 15:01:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA12068 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:01:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01388; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:00:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:59:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00880; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:59:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00859; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:58:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:58:59 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA21895; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:58:54 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003701c019c6$d8ce6d80$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "John Small" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <4.2.0.58.20000907194712.0401fde8@pop3.iceka.com> <000901c0194c$595c3d40$4f8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 08:58:59 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: There is nothing better than Agent for Usenet, but (as with PMMMail) I have not used it for incoming email because of the lack of IMAP4 support. BTW, for those who asked (off-line) about IMAP4, have a look at http://www.idgnet.com/crd_imap4_5091.html (which however inexplicably does not discuss the 4 most popular IMAP4-compliant clients, namely Pine, OE, Eudora, and Netscape Mail, and so is less enthusiastic about the protocol than it ought to be). There is a huge advantage in the system when one accesses the same email account with multiple clients, as many of us do on this list (laptop at home, desktop at work or vice versa). - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Small" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 4:21 AM Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) On Thu, 7 Sep 2000 18:22:02 -1000, "David Ross" wrote: >As far as I'm concerned, the only real contender is The Bat from >RitLabs How does Agent compare, if you've used it? Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Fri Sep 8 15:02:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA12076 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:02:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01843; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:02:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:00:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01086; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01046; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:00:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (38.8.22.2 -> relay21.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:00:22 -0400 Received: from ntmail.doble.com ([204.215.186.11]) by relay21.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13XTNl-0006Nv-00; Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:00:13 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:52:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'David Ross'" , Jeffrey Baker , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: Used or refurb 600 reliable source? Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:52:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, Thanks for the great information as I was thinking of buying a 600 or 770 (so I can do the DVD thing). It is interesting about the prices on the IBM site not being the best as I have seen some of these models at higher prices at other sites. It may be old stock rather than refub. I do not mind refubs if it is done properly. One of my favorite computer store activities is to go through the returns at microcenter and see if there are any deals. Newness is not a high priority 8->. There is someone at computer shows selling 760ED?(120 or 133 pentiums). But I want the 770 or 600. I basically went through the withdrawn TP list and listed out the models that can take a DVD and that have drivers for my three most favored Op Systems (1st OS/2, 2nd Linux, 3rd Win98se). A few months ago the list was more limited as Linux did not support some of the video chips. 73 Eric eac@shore.net WB1HBU -----Original Message----- From: David Ross [mailto:ross@math.hawaii.edu] Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 1:31 PM To: Jeffrey Baker; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Used or refurb 600 reliable source? IBM nearly always has the 600 for sale refurbed at their outlet store; daily stock and prices are at http://commerce-03.www.ibm.com/icc/retail.PDF Their prices are usually not the best out there, but at least you're buying from a reputable company:-) Other dealers who always show up when I'm looking for refurbed or clearance ThinkPads are starlex.com and intellesale.com; I can't vouch for either. You can also ask Bill Morrow. From cph Fri Sep 8 15:25:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA12297 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:25:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04628; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:22:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04356; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:22:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04341; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:22:13 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA22008 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:22:10 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <005201c019ca$19126ce0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Subject: Fw: Thinkpad 600 - Liquidation Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 09:22:15 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: "Canada's Best Notebook Deals." Though buying from IBM directly seems to be cheaper:-) - David R. From cph Fri Sep 8 17:03:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA13390 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:03:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16998; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:03:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:00:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16048; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:00:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16033; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:00:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.aros.net (207.173.16.20 -> mail.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:00:50 -0400 Received: from kalynda (dm7-64.slc.aros.net [207.173.24.64]) by mail.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA83005 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:00:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200009082100.PAA83005@mail.aros.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:49:10 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: Mail Clients, was: Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: In , on 09/08/00 at 02:49 PM, Greg Langham said: >Sounds like you have a poor network, admin, or server. Exchange Server >with Outlook is very stable, and very good, IMHO. We run 18 locations and >multiple servers with Exchange Server 5.5 and it works very well. Okay, I stayed out of the obscenity thread, but I can't abide this :) It is way wrong to simply accuse the admin of being no good when the software is questionable at best. As a former adminstrator, I take exception to having us take the hit for what is Microsoft's problem. You see, the biggest problem microsoft has is not the "microsoft s.... ooops, almost said it!" but the fact that their software is soooo dang hardware fussy it can drive you to drink. You are doubtless speaking the truth when you say your server and outlook are stable, but others are not lying when they tell you that its very unstable. It is NOT an administrator problem, it is a Microsoft software problem. Don't wait for them to fix it any time soon, as they are not motivated to do so. Remember, M$ is the one who is always touting standards, yet their software is not hardware friendly at all. The fact that it says "designed for Windows*"does not mean it will run windows, it means someone paid M$ for the right to the sticker. I love my Thinkpad! Regards, John From cph Fri Sep 8 17:08:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA13420 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:08:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18183; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:08:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:06:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17975; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:06:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17916; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:06:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.aros.net (207.173.16.20 -> mail.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:06:49 -0400 Received: from kalynda (dm7-64.slc.aros.net [207.173.24.64]) by mail.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA84470 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:06:46 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200009082106.PAA84470@mail.aros.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:01:02 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Reinstalling W98 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: I have 98 on my thinkpad,and since its only a small drive, I would like to copy the whole drive onto my desktop via the parallel port (no network yet) and burn a CD in the event of a failure, or if I do get a larger drive. I know how to do it in OS/2 and Linux, but how does one copy everything necessary to reinstall in Windows. I refer to the system files and whatever else is needed so that I could copy everything to the other PC, install a new, properly formatted drive, and just copy everything back. I have heard that xcopy doesn't pick up all the system and hidden files. Is it possible to this from explorer? Thanks much, John From cph Fri Sep 8 17:17:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA13500 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:17:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19672; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:15:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19424; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19406; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:15:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.aros.net (207.173.16.20 -> mail.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:15:08 -0400 Received: from kalynda (dm3-117.slc.aros.net [207.173.25.117]) by mail.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA86749 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 15:14:59 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200009082114.PAA86749@mail.aros.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 15:12:58 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [TPnone] Attachments X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: >I too was shocked that this M$ software was faster and had a more >pleasing interface (once I customized it to my liking) than Netscape. That should not come as much of a surprise as M$ of course was privvy to th API data, whereas Netscape and the rest of the world have to reverse engineer and doing a lot of guessing to make their software work in the Windows environment. That is a big cause for instability in third party sofware, whereas native M$ apps tend to run pretty well. Sorry, OT. I will repent. John From cph Fri Sep 8 18:00:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA13787 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:00:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27006; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:00:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:58:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26761; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:58:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA26748; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (142.90.106.106 -> andrew1.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:58:15 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e88Lviw15725 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu.AVP; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:57:44 -0700 Received: from sfupc (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e88LveO15717; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:57:41 -0700 Message-ID: <006001c019df$af2c6ea0$03785a8e@triumf.ca> From: "peter machule" To: Cc: "thinkpad" References: <200009082106.PAA84470@mail.aros.net> Subject: Re: Reinstalling W98 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 14:56:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Do a google search for xcopy32 . It will copy everything with the right switches . Explorer will NOT work for this . BUT your plan of using the parallel port will not let you copy anything back unless you have Win already installed on the new HD in the laptop . A 2.5HD to 3.5HD adapter is the easiest solution we have found . ...peter.. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 2:01 PM Subject: Reinstalling W98 > I have 98 on my thinkpad,and since its only a small drive, I would like to > copy the whole drive onto my desktop via the parallel port (no network > yet) and burn a CD in the event of a failure, or if I do get a larger > drive. > > I know how to do it in OS/2 and Linux, but how does one copy everything > necessary to reinstall in Windows. I refer to the system files and > whatever else is needed so that I could copy everything to the other PC, > install a new, properly formatted drive, and just copy everything back. I > have heard that xcopy doesn't pick up all the system and hidden files. Is > it possible to this from explorer? > > Thanks much, > > John > From cph Fri Sep 8 18:56:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA14225 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:56:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04003; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:55:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:53:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03889; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:53:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03875; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:53:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:53:56 -0400 Received: from ATREYU ([64.108.11.173]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with ESMTP id <20000908225345.IHVJ6643.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@ATREYU> for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:53:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:53:32 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <10428350597.20000908175332@falkor.chi.il.us> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Reinstalling W98 In-reply-To: <200009082106.PAA84470@mail.aros.net> References: <200009082106.PAA84470@mail.aros.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Friday, September 08, 2000, 4:01:02 PM, jbrush wrote: > I have 98 on my thinkpad,and since its only a small drive, I would > like to copy the whole drive onto my desktop via the parallel port > (no network yet) and burn a CD in the event of a failure, or if I do > get a larger drive. I don't know what kind of ThinkPad you have, but I assume you are involving the desktop unit just because that's where the CD-R / CD-RW drive lives. I don't know whether what I do will be possible for you, but here goes. I use a really nifty program called Drive Image, from PowerQuest (the folks who also put out Partition Magic. I have my drive divided into (mostly) "bite sized" chunks of about 2 Gig. Pretty much all of my software lives on C: and D:. My "home directory" containing files that I work with and create (rather than install) live on E:. F: has mostly just temporary stuff (TEMP directory, Internet Explorer Cache, SWP file, stuff downloaded from the Internet, and a bunch of empty space). Using Drive Image, I create a backup of C: and D: together, telling it to put no more than 650 million bytes in each chunk. Right now, this gives me two chunks. I can ship those over to my desktop via Ethernet if I want. But, I find it easier to just burn them onto CD from an Adaptec 1460A PCMCIA SCSI card plugged into my 770ED. For E:, "depending on my mood", I either use WinZip to create an easily used and transported backup of my home directory tree, or I use Drive Image. Either way, I burn the results onto CD-R. Most of the stuff on F: does not need to get backed up, so it doesn't. All backups I do wind up (temporarily) on F: and are burned to CD-R from there. Since the stuff I "install" onto C:/D: changes less often than the stuff I work with every day on E:, E: gets backed up more frequently. I think Drive Image only runs in DOS mode, and I think that the destination for its backup files needs to look like a file system location when it runs, so this might be a problem for you. I assume that you at least have a CD-ROM drive on your ThinkPad, so you don't need to worry about getting communication established with your desktop before you do the restore operation. You probably just need a boot floppy with software sufficient to Format and FDISK your hard drive, perhaps a simple text editor, driver software to provide access to your backup media, and your backup restoration software. (Be sure to test your boot floppy and backup media before you need them!) I think I just read about an updated version of Drive Image that knows enough about Linux partitions to do a smarter job of backing them up than the version I have. The idea there is that rather than just doing a full sector by sector image backup, it backs up just the sectors that have something actually allocated to them. This is the case with various DOS/Win file system types with the version of Drive Image I currently have. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. iQA/AwUBOblty28pw+2/9pUJEQLt3wCgjR6q2oxIxiIfaMfMxanfpvL8b6QAnjhJ jwXyZJ81+t6/33C/vkPTooqG =fqC3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Fri Sep 8 19:22:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA14390 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:22:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05809; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:21:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05607; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05594; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:20:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:20:56 -0400 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-46.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.46]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA05975 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000908192738.016cda10@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:27:38 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Reinstalling W98 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: The command to clone a drive within Windows 9x is: xcopy32 c:\*.* d:\*.* /c/h/e/r/y I use it all the time to move HDs between systems. (notice the switches spell, "chery" :) ). Mark At 02:56 PM 09/08/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Do a google search for xcopy32 . >It will copy everything with the right switches . >Explorer will NOT work for this . > >BUT your plan of using the parallel port will not let you copy anything back > unless you have Win already installed on the new HD in the laptop . >A 2.5HD to 3.5HD adapter is the easiest solution we have found . > >...peter.. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 2:01 PM >Subject: Reinstalling W98 > > >> I have 98 on my thinkpad,and since its only a small drive, I would like to >> copy the whole drive onto my desktop via the parallel port (no network >> yet) and burn a CD in the event of a failure, or if I do get a larger >> drive. >> >> I know how to do it in OS/2 and Linux, but how does one copy everything >> necessary to reinstall in Windows. I refer to the system files and >> whatever else is needed so that I could copy everything to the other PC, >> install a new, properly formatted drive, and just copy everything back. I >> have heard that xcopy doesn't pick up all the system and hidden files. Is >> it possible to this from explorer? >> >> Thanks much, >> >> John >> > > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Sep 8 19:30:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA14460 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:30:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06371; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:25:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06215; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:25:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06202; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:25:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:25:23 -0400 Received: from user-38ld5dv.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld5dv.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.149.191]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA13708; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009082325.TAA13708@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Ronald W. Heiby" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <10428350597.20000908175332@falkor.chi.il.us> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Reinstalling W98 List-Unsubscribe: In the olden days, we copied a W95 to a different drive on the same pc via DOS. I still have the switches around here somewhere. It had to run from a W95 DOS window, and worked very well. On Fri, 8 Sep 2000 17:53:32 -0500, Ronald W. Heiby wrote: >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > >Friday, September 08, 2000, 4:01:02 PM, jbrush wrote: >> I have 98 on my thinkpad,and since its only a small drive, I would >> like to copy the whole drive onto my desktop via the parallel port >> (no network yet) and burn a CD in the event of a failure, or if I do >> get a larger drive. > >I don't know what kind of ThinkPad you have, but I assume you are >involving the desktop unit just because that's where the CD-R / CD-RW >drive lives. I don't know whether what I do will be possible for you, >but here goes. > >I use a really nifty program called Drive Image, from PowerQuest (the >folks who also put out Partition Magic. I have my drive divided into >(mostly) "bite sized" chunks of about 2 Gig. Pretty much all of my >software lives on C: and D:. My "home directory" containing files that >I work with and create (rather than install) live on E:. F: has mostly >just temporary stuff (TEMP directory, Internet Explorer Cache, SWP >file, stuff downloaded from the Internet, and a bunch of empty space). > >Using Drive Image, I create a backup of C: and D: together, telling it >to put no more than 650 million bytes in each chunk. Right now, this >gives me two chunks. I can ship those over to my desktop via Ethernet >if I want. But, I find it easier to just burn them onto CD from an >Adaptec 1460A PCMCIA SCSI card plugged into my 770ED. For E:, >"depending on my mood", I either use WinZip to create an easily used >and transported backup of my home directory tree, or I use Drive >Image. Either way, I burn the results onto CD-R. Most of the stuff on >F: does not need to get backed up, so it doesn't. All backups I do >wind up (temporarily) on F: and are burned to CD-R from there. Since >the stuff I "install" onto C:/D: changes less often than the stuff I >work with every day on E:, E: gets backed up more frequently. > >I think Drive Image only runs in DOS mode, and I think that the >destination for its backup files needs to look like a file system >location when it runs, so this might be a problem for you. > >I assume that you at least have a CD-ROM drive on your ThinkPad, so >you don't need to worry about getting communication established with >your desktop before you do the restore operation. You probably just >need a boot floppy with software sufficient to Format and FDISK your >hard drive, perhaps a simple text editor, driver software to provide >access to your backup media, and your backup restoration software. (Be >sure to test your boot floppy and backup media before you need them!) > >I think I just read about an updated version of Drive Image that knows >enough about Linux partitions to do a smarter job of backing them up >than the version I have. The idea there is that rather than just doing >a full sector by sector image backup, it backs up just the sectors >that have something actually allocated to them. This is the case with >various DOS/Win file system types with the version of Drive Image I >currently have. > >Ron. > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 >Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. > >iQA/AwUBOblty28pw+2/9pUJEQLt3wCgjR6q2oxIxiIfaMfMxanfpvL8b6QAnjhJ >jwXyZJ81+t6/33C/vkPTooqG >=fqC3 >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > From cph Fri Sep 8 19:40:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA14602 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:40:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07692; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:38:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07545; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:38:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07532; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:38:56 -0400 Received: from user-38ld5dv.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld5dv.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.149.191]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA14937; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:38:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009082338.TAA14937@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "John Small" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [560] Cardbus List-Unsubscribe: I bought the Intel digital microscope to play with even though it says it needs W98. I use W95 OS2, with the USB supplement installed. The 'scope comes with a pcmcia USB port. So, there is a way. Too bad there is no driver to be found (so far) to make the 'scope work with W95 OS2. Not long ago a digital microscope of this capability would cost a lot. Now they are only about 60 bucks. On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 09:28:07 -0500, John Small wrote: >On Thu, 07 Sep 2000 23:29:37 -0500, John Small wrote: > >>Is this the same as a pcmcia slot? The card looks the same. > >Couple of guys wrote to tell me CardBus is a 32 bit implementation of the >original 16 bit pcmcia slot. The bumps on the card prevent a 16 bit slot from >being used. I have never heard of CardBus before now. > >Is there anything that will provide USB on my 560? > >Thanks. > >-jts >ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Fri Sep 8 19:42:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA14614 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:42:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08143; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:40:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07733; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07702; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:40:33 -0400 Received: from sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA23129 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:40:30 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: [TP560] Which OS for 560X? (MS only, alas/please:-) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 13:40:36 -1000 Organization: Not to a very advanced degree MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Hi, A new (to me) 560X just landed on my doorstep, sans OS, and I have to decide pronto which OS to install. Unfortunately, until a couple of my everyday programs will run on Wine under Linux, I have to use an OS from MS. Is there any big advantage (or disadvantage) to NT or 98 on this machine over 95? I have 95 and NT on my shelf, can run out and buy 98 tonight if useful. I guess my inclination is to just install '95, then upgrade to 98ME when it comes out if I need to use the USB, though I am very open to an argument as to why I should just install 98 2nd Ed from the beginning. Thanks, David R. From cph Fri Sep 8 21:07:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA15105 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:07:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12551; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:05:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12392; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12339; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (24.69.152.109 -> 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:04:57 -0400 Received: from bored.lexxdog.com ([10.1.1.27]) by 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA29542 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:27:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kate@bored.lexxdog.com) Message-ID: <39B9B683.3B06CD25@bored.lexxdog.com> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 21:03:15 -0700 From: Kate Ross X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: 701 question References: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I just recently aquired a gorgeous 701cs, the unit looks almost brand new and seems to function great except for one issue, the KB is working abit oddly, for instance hitting L gives me LS, as does hitting just S. It would appear to be a KB or controller issue. Anyone have any suggestions for these units ? Should I look for a repleacement KB, or maybe try dissasembling this one and cleaning all the connectors ? thanx, kate From cph Fri Sep 8 21:17:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA15152 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:17:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13335; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:15:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13138; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13124; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:15:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:15:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA77232; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 18:19:32 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 question In-Reply-To: <39B9B683.3B06CD25@bored.lexxdog.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Kate: If the problem is between the L and S, it is very unlikely to be a problem with the contacts. Instead, it is more likely a problem with the keyboard PCB or the controller than anything else. Wait for more input from other users but I'm guessing that cleaning the contacts won't do much good. On Fri, 8 Sep 2000, Kate Ross wrote: > Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 21:03:15 -0700 > From: Kate Ross > To: ThinkPad List > Subject: 701 question > > I just recently aquired a gorgeous 701cs, the unit looks almost brand > new and seems to function great except for one issue, the KB is working > abit oddly, for instance hitting L gives me LS, as does hitting just S. > It would appear to be a KB or controller issue. Anyone have any > suggestions for these units ? Should I look for a repleacement KB, or > maybe try dissasembling this one and cleaning all the connectors ? > > thanx, > > kate > From cph Fri Sep 8 21:52:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA15316 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:52:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15312; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:51:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:50:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15166; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:50:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15140; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:49:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.aros.net (207.173.16.20 -> mail.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 21:49:59 -0400 Received: from kalynda (dm8-133.slc.aros.net [207.173.24.133]) by mail.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA44665 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:49:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200009090149.TAA44665@mail.aros.net> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:44:45 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <200009082325.TAA13708@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: Re: Reinstalling W98 X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: Wow, you guys are great. Thanks for the quick replies. I am just not a native to Windows, so I don't know all the ins and outs yet. Now that I know how to xcopy32, I have to ask if anyone has actually done this to an entire partition, as its obvious to me that when it hits the swap file, it drops out with the error. :( I thought I could move the swap file out to the root directory so I could just copy all the subdirectories, but I am learning that Windows won't let me remap the location of the swap file, except to another partition, which I don't have. Any ideas? Thanks, John From cph Fri Sep 8 22:05:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA15383 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:05:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16328; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:04:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16157; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16144; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (24.69.152.109 -> 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:04:00 -0400 Received: from bored.lexxdog.com ([10.1.1.27]) by 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA29794 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:26:45 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kate@bored.lexxdog.com) Message-ID: <39B9C45E.B71CAD91@bored.lexxdog.com> Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 22:02:22 -0700 From: Kate Ross X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 question References: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <39B9B683.3B06CD25@bored.lexxdog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Quick update an external KB works fine. kate Kate Ross wrote: > > I just recently aquired a gorgeous 701cs, the unit looks almost brand > new and seems to function great except for one issue, the KB is working > abit oddly, for instance hitting L gives me LS, as does hitting just S. > It would appear to be a KB or controller issue. Anyone have any > suggestions for these units ? Should I look for a repleacement KB, or > maybe try dissasembling this one and cleaning all the connectors ? > > thanx, > > kate From cph Fri Sep 8 22:17:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA15437 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:17:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17292; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:15:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17118; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17105; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:15:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:15:07 -0400 Received: from markbell (client-151-204-210-39.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.39]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA05050; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 22:14:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000908222143.017cdb10@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 22:21:43 -0700 To: , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Reinstalling W98 In-Reply-To: <200009090149.TAA44665@mail.aros.net> References: <200009082325.TAA13708@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:44 PM 09/08/2000 -0600, jbrush@aros.net wrote: >Wow, you guys are great. Thanks for the quick replies. I am just not a >native to Windows, so I don't know all the ins and outs yet. > >Now that I know how to xcopy32, I have to ask if anyone has actually done >this to an entire partition, as its obvious to me that when it hits the >swap file, it drops out with the error. :( > >I thought I could move the swap file out to the root directory so I could >just copy all the subdirectories, but I am learning that Windows won't let >me remap the location of the swap file, except to another partition, which >I don't have. It won't. That's the beauty of it. It will skip over it and just keep copying the files to your new HD/partition. The /c directive will cause it to keep copying even if an error occurs. This is literally an automated process and the swapfile is a non-issue. I use it all the time. 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Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Sep 8 23:51:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA15813 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:51:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21667; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:51:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:49:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21455; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot19.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21442; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot19.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.39 -> pilot19.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:49:26 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm454-32.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.234]) by pilot19.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e893nN955958 for ; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:49:23 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000908234729.01d59230@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 23:49:34 -0400 To: ThinkPad List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 701 question In-Reply-To: <39B9B683.3B06CD25@bored.lexxdog.com> References: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I would think that if the keyboard logic was getting messed up in the wiring because of conductive dirt (something I've always wondered about, but have seen), you'd find more keys that did strange stuff like that. At least, thats been my experience with such keyboard failures in the past, albeit on non-ThinkPads. --STeve Andre' At 09:03 PM 9/8/00 -0700, Kate Ross wrote: >I just recently aquired a gorgeous 701cs, the unit looks almost brand >new and seems to function great except for one issue, the KB is working >abit oddly, for instance hitting L gives me LS, as does hitting just S. >It would appear to be a KB or controller issue. Anyone have any >suggestions for these units ? Should I look for a repleacement KB, or >maybe try dissasembling this one and cleaning all the connectors ? > >thanx, > >kate From cph Sat Sep 9 00:31:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA15963 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:31:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23708; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:29:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23564; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:29:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23549; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:29:07 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-107.gate.net [199.227.20.170]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA185668; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:28:51 -0400 Message-ID: <39B9BCB6.E9569039@gate.net> Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 00:29:42 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kate Ross CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 question References: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <39B9B683.3B06CD25@bored.lexxdog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Kate.. the 701 keyboard is composed of two "membranes" (one for each half) and its rather easy to get into it and clean the "contacts".. BUT, these "contacts" are little more than printed wiring.. go into easy setup (hold down the F1 key while powering the 701 on.. select the test icon, then hit Ctrl-A, then Ctrl-K.. you will be presented with a keyboard layout.. depress each key and the related point in the display kbd will turn on or off.. try it.. works with most thinkpads.. Kate Ross wrote: > I just recently aquired a gorgeous 701cs, the unit looks almost brand > new and seems to function great except for one issue, the KB is working > abit oddly, for instance hitting L gives me LS, as does hitting just S. > It would appear to be a KB or controller issue. Anyone have any > suggestions for these units ? Should I look for a repleacement KB, or > maybe try dissasembling this one and cleaning all the connectors ? > > thanx, > > kate -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sat Sep 9 00:49:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA16051 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:49:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24772; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:49:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:48:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24589; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:48:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24558; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:47:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (24.69.152.109 -> 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 00:47:46 -0400 Received: from bored.lexxdog.com ([10.1.1.27]) by 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA00306; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 01:10:37 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kate@bored.lexxdog.com) Message-ID: <39B9EAC9.B0E85547@bored.lexxdog.com> Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 00:46:17 -0700 From: Kate Ross X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: penzance@gate.net CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 question References: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <39B9B683.3B06CD25@bored.lexxdog.com> <39B9BCB6.E9569039@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well from the looks of the KB test looks like one of the row/colum select lines are sharter as the doubled keys repeast ina patter, ie: s or l pressed both present sl w or o pressed both present wo caps or f7 pressed both present caps+f7 f1 or f8 --> f1+f8 . or x --> x+. 2 or 9 --> 2+9 all other keys seem to be ok. Anyone have any dissasembly advice for theese units ? kate Bill Morrow wrote: > > Kate.. > > the 701 keyboard is composed of two "membranes" (one for each half) and its > rather easy to get into it and clean the "contacts".. > BUT, these "contacts" are little more than printed wiring.. > > go into easy setup (hold down the F1 key while powering the 701 on.. > select the test icon, then hit Ctrl-A, then Ctrl-K.. > you will be presented with a keyboard layout.. > depress each key and the related point in the display kbd will turn on or > off.. > > try it.. > > works with most thinkpads.. > > Kate Ross wrote: > > > I just recently aquired a gorgeous 701cs, the unit looks almost brand > > new and seems to function great except for one issue, the KB is working > > abit oddly, for instance hitting L gives me LS, as does hitting just S. > > It would appear to be a KB or controller issue. Anyone have any > > suggestions for these units ? Should I look for a repleacement KB, or > > maybe try dissasembling this one and cleaning all the connectors ? > > > > thanx, > > > > kate > > -- > --- > > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > sic transit gloria From cph Sat Sep 9 02:13:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA16356 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 02:13:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28115; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 02:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 02:10:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27959; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 02:10:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA27944; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 02:10:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 02:10:33 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-107.gate.net [199.227.20.170]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA43142; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 02:10:24 -0400 Message-ID: <39B9D47D.DCA4CA7A@gate.net> Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 02:11:09 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kate Ross CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 question References: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <39B9B683.3B06CD25@bored.lexxdog.com> <39B9BCB6.E9569039@gate.net> <39B9EAC9.B0E85547@bored.lexxdog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: if my memory is accurate, all that is needed is to remove all the keytops and then the rubber sheet which comprises the "srping" cones.. (all in one sheet per kbd half).. then the contact membrane will be revealed.. i would strongly advise against cleaning with anything stronger than contact cleaning spray.. but, i suppose, at this point, there is little to lose.. the problem could lie with the cable but this is less likely than the keyboard itself.. Kate Ross wrote: > Well from the looks of the KB test looks like one of the row/colum > select lines are sharter as the doubled keys repeast ina patter, ie: > > s or l pressed both present sl > w or o pressed both present wo > caps or f7 pressed both present caps+f7 > f1 or f8 --> f1+f8 > . or x --> x+. > 2 or 9 --> 2+9 > > all other keys seem to be ok. > > Anyone have any dissasembly advice for theese units ? > > kate > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Kate.. > > > > the 701 keyboard is composed of two "membranes" (one for each half) and its > > rather easy to get into it and clean the "contacts".. > > BUT, these "contacts" are little more than printed wiring.. > > > > go into easy setup (hold down the F1 key while powering the 701 on.. > > select the test icon, then hit Ctrl-A, then Ctrl-K.. > > you will be presented with a keyboard layout.. > > depress each key and the related point in the display kbd will turn on or > > off.. > > > > try it.. > > > > works with most thinkpads.. > > > > Kate Ross wrote: > > > > > I just recently aquired a gorgeous 701cs, the unit looks almost brand > > > new and seems to function great except for one issue, the KB is working > > > abit oddly, for instance hitting L gives me LS, as does hitting just S. > > > It would appear to be a KB or controller issue. Anyone have any > > > suggestions for these units ? Should I look for a repleacement KB, or > > > maybe try dissasembling this one and cleaning all the connectors ? > > > > > > thanx, > > > > > > kate > > > > -- > > --- > > > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > > sic transit gloria -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sat Sep 9 08:08:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA17278 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:08:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18181; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:05:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18035; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18022; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:05:48 -0400 Received: from mwl ([32.101.34.144]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2000090912054322900qvm4ee>; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:05:43 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c01a56$2fe1a300$90226520@mwl> Reply-To: "Mike Lingenfelter" From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: Subject: excceding supported memory Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:05:02 -0400 Organization: Personal Email MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Just recently I purchased a 64MB ram chip for my Aptiva e24 which is rated for only 64MB of memory and I left in the 32MB chip. I was greeted with a machine that recognized all 96MB. Can I do the same to my 755CD/CDV machines that are "maxed" with 40MB? Has anybody experimented with this and where can I get the memory adapter for the 755 machines? What is the true memory barrier? All of my machines are running WIN98. Mike Lingenfelter @HOME From cph Sat Sep 9 08:39:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA17378 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:39:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19556; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:37:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19380; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19367; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:37:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:37:33 -0400 Received: from denhall (hi1hwl1-093.ismi.net [207.51.180.98]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA12388; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000c01c01a5b$2c784700$62b433cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: "Mike Lingenfelter" , Subject: Re: excceding supported memory Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 08:40:44 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: Hi Mike, I have some of the DIMM memory carriers for 755's -- but I'm pretty sure you can't do more than the 40mb that is supported. You'll certainly get a few more informed responses from the group, as I'm sure someone has tried going over Max... Have a Nice Weekend, Denis Hall, Michigan >Just recently I purchased a 64MB ram chip for my Aptiva e24 which is rated >for only 64MB of memory and I left in the 32MB chip. I was greeted with a >machine that recognized all 96MB. Can I do the same to my 755CD/CDV >machines that are "maxed" with 40MB? Has anybody experimented with this and >where can I get the memory adapter for the 755 machines? What is the true >memory barrier? All of my machines are running WIN98. > > >Mike Lingenfelter @HOME > > From cph Sat Sep 9 12:09:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18015 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:09:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27272; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:09:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:07:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27122; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27109; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:07:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:07:41 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-23.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.128]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA22231; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 16:07:37 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Mike Lingenfelter" , Subject: RE: excceding supported memory Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:11:17 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002501c01a56$2fe1a300$90226520@mwl> List-Unsubscribe: Mike Lingenfelter [mailto:mlingen@attglobal.net] wrote: > Just recently I purchased a 64MB ram chip for my Aptiva e24 which is rated > for only 64MB of memory and I left in the 32MB chip. I was greeted with a > machine that recognized all 96MB. Can I do the same to my 755CD/CDV > machines that are "maxed" with 40MB? Has anybody experimented with this and > where can I get the memory adapter for the 755 machines? What is the true > memory barrier? All of my machines are running WIN98. Been there, tried that Mike. The 40MB max on the 755CD's appears to be inherent and fixed, regardless of whether you use "credit card" memory or the SODIMM adapter. I've tried many, MANY combinations of SODIMMs in an attempt to break the limit, all without success. If you check the machine's original specs in the twbook.pdf file from IBM, you'll see that the 755CD's were all actually maxed out at 24MB, based on the fact that the 16MB credit card was the largest produced at the time of manufacture. The release of the 32MB card provided the means to breach that maximum limit, but that's as far as you can get, 8MB on the 755CD motherboard and the 32MB card give you a max of 40MB. While there are some 64MB credit cards around, they're as rare as hen's teeth and I've never had my hands on one in order to try it, but my gut feeling is that they wouldn't work. I would love to be proven wrong about this, as an ability to raise the memory in my venerable Pentium 755CD's to just 64MB would breathe new life into them, especially running WIN2K! ;-) FWIW, all 755's are maxed out with 6.4GB hard drives also and won't even recognize a larger drive. Or, at least they wouldn't recognize a 12GB Toshiba I experimented with before it went into my TP600. Nor was it a case of loading ONTRACK or similar overlay software, as the drive must be recognized as _something_ (e.g. 6.4GB, 5.1GB, etc.) before you can load same. In this case, the drive wasn't recognized at all. (And YES, before the question is asked, it was in a new style drive shell!) HTH, James From cph Sat Sep 9 12:20:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA18060 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:20:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28612; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:20:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:18:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28410; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28364; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:18:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.1 -> sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 12:18:40 -0400 Received: (qmail 14628 invoked by alias); 9 Sep 2000 16:18:38 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 14539 invoked by uid 0); 9 Sep 2000 16:18:33 -0000 Received: from dialupw202.sttl.uswest.net (HELO sfupc) (216.160.86.202) by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 9 Sep 2000 16:18:33 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c01a79$6e37f5a0$ca56a0d8@triumf.ca> From: "p machule" To: Cc: "thinkpad" References: <200009090101.TAA36606@mail.aros.net> Subject: Re: Reinstalling W98 Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2000 23:05:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Ah , You have a docking station . You don't really need the adapter then . The adapter I'm refering to makes a 2.5" laptop HD look like a 3.5" desktop HD. They are semi universal ( most should work with all HD's ) and are less than $10. My current one is a little plastic connector looking thing with 2 wires coming out to a standard power connector. You plug it into the laptop HD and then plug a standard Desktop IDE cable into it . Thats it. I bought mine locally , most cable and laptop HD Vendors should have something . ..peter... ----- Original Message ----- From: To: peter machule Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Reinstalling W98 > > >BUT your plan of using the parallel port will not let you copy anything > >back > > unless you have Win already installed on the new HD in the laptop . A > >2.5HD to 3.5HD adapter is the easiest solution we have found . > > Well, being un-versed in the world of laptops, I have a faint idea of what > you are saying :) What I will have to do for now is xcopy thru the > parallel port to the desktop, burn the CD and then if I have to do a > reinstall, I can put the laptop in the docking station and use that CD > player to put it all back. I dislike having to reinstall from scratch and > trying to get everything back to where it is now. I am not looking for > a day to day backup method, just disaster recovery. > > Please explain the adapter you refer to? Where do I get one, are the > universal or product specific, and how do I use it? Is it one that could > let me use the laptop drive in my desktop, and vice versa? > > Thank you for the assist. > > Regards, > > John > From cph Sat Sep 9 21:54:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA20551 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:54:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23245; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:50:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23004; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22987; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:50:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (24.69.152.109 -> 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 21:50:29 -0400 Received: from bored.lexxdog.com ([10.1.1.27]) by 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA03771; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:13:30 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kate@bored.lexxdog.com) Message-ID: <39BB128B.111C8186@bored.lexxdog.com> Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 21:48:11 -0700 From: Kate Ross X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: penzance@gate.net, ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 question References: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <39B9B683.3B06CD25@bored.lexxdog.com> <39B9BCB6.E9569039@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ok apears that the issue is likely with the KB controller itself. I pulled the unit apart and with just the right side oof te kb attached all the keys work great. With the left side only attached you get ghost keys appaering the the right side. I would suspect that from what i know this means I have a bad system board :( I was really haoping to be able to use this system whe i am in the hostital in a few month's time so I would like to work this out. Should i even consider such and old unit for service ? thanx, kate Bill Morrow wrote: > > Kate.. > > the 701 keyboard is composed of two "membranes" (one for each half) and its > rather easy to get into it and clean the "contacts".. > BUT, these "contacts" are little more than printed wiring.. > > go into easy setup (hold down the F1 key while powering the 701 on.. > select the test icon, then hit Ctrl-A, then Ctrl-K.. > you will be presented with a keyboard layout.. > depress each key and the related point in the display kbd will turn on or > off.. > > try it.. > > works with most thinkpads.. > > Kate Ross wrote: > > > I just recently aquired a gorgeous 701cs, the unit looks almost brand > > new and seems to function great except for one issue, the KB is working > > abit oddly, for instance hitting L gives me LS, as does hitting just S. > > It would appear to be a KB or controller issue. Anyone have any > > suggestions for these units ? Should I look for a repleacement KB, or > > maybe try dissasembling this one and cleaning all the connectors ? > > > > thanx, > > > > kate > > -- > --- > Well from the looks of the KB test looks like one of the row/colum > select lines are sharter as the doubled keys repeast ina patter, ie: > > s or l pressed both present sl > w or o pressed both present wo > caps or f7 pressed both present caps+f7 > f1 or f8 --> f1+f8 > . or x --> x+. > 2 or 9 --> 2+9 > > all other keys seem to be ok. > > Anyone have any dissasembly advice for theese units ? > > kate From cph Sat Sep 9 22:41:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA20677 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:41:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24940; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:41:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:39:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24829; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot08.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24816; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot08.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.28 -> pilot08.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:39:42 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm659-01.dialip.mich.net [198.110.17.107]) by pilot08.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8A2dHX67494 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:39:17 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000909222812.01d59d00@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 22:39:29 -0400 To: ThinkPad List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: 701 question In-Reply-To: <39BB128B.111C8186@bored.lexxdog.com> References: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <39B9B683.3B06CD25@bored.lexxdog.com> <39B9BCB6.E9569039@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Given the fact that you aren't afraid to dig into the unit (yay!), once you know that the system board is indeed where the keyboard controller is, you might want to find out what a newish system board costs. That, or find a 701 with a dead screen or something like that, then take its system board out and put it in your new unit. I really doubt that IBM would do it for a reasonable price. --STeve Andre' At 09:48 PM 9/9/00 -0700, Kate Ross wrote: >Ok apears that the issue is likely with the KB controller itself. I >pulled the unit apart and with just the right side oof te kb attached >all the keys work great. With the left side only attached you get ghost >keys appaering the the right side. I would suspect that from what i know >this means I have a bad system board :( I was really haoping to be able >to use this system whe i am in the hostital in a few month's time so I >would like to work this out. Should i even consider such and old unit >for service ? > >thanx, > >kate > > >Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Kate.. > > > > the 701 keyboard is composed of two "membranes" (one for each half) and its > > rather easy to get into it and clean the "contacts".. > > BUT, these "contacts" are little more than printed wiring.. > > > > go into easy setup (hold down the F1 key while powering the 701 on.. > > select the test icon, then hit Ctrl-A, then Ctrl-K.. > > you will be presented with a keyboard layout.. > > depress each key and the related point in the display kbd will turn on or > > off.. > > > > try it.. > > > > works with most thinkpads.. > > > > Kate Ross wrote: > > > > > I just recently aquired a gorgeous 701cs, the unit looks almost brand > > > new and seems to function great except for one issue, the KB is working > > > abit oddly, for instance hitting L gives me LS, as does hitting just S. > > > It would appear to be a KB or controller issue. Anyone have any > > > suggestions for these units ? Should I look for a repleacement KB, or > > > maybe try dissasembling this one and cleaning all the connectors ? > > > > > > thanx, > > > > > > kate > > > > -- > > --- > > Well from the looks of the KB test looks like one of the row/colum > > select lines are sharter as the doubled keys repeast ina patter, ie: > > > > s or l pressed both present sl > > w or o pressed both present wo > > caps or f7 pressed both present caps+f7 > > f1 or f8 --> f1+f8 > > . or x --> x+. > > 2 or 9 --> 2+9 > > > > all other keys seem to be ok. > > > > Anyone have any dissasembly advice for theese units ? > > > > kate From cph Sat Sep 9 22:53:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA20718 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:53:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25890; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:51:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25796; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25783; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:51:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:51:26 -0400 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.57]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000910025125.OCDP6605.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:51:25 +0000 Received: from [24.189.193.217] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:51:24 +0000 To: Kate Ross Cc: penzance@gate.net, ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 question Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:51:24 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: scosgt@att.net Message-Id: <20000910025125.OCDP6605.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: Kate, if an external keyboard works properly, you simply have a bad keyboard. It is easy to find a dead unit on ebay for a few dollars and replace the keyboard. If the system board was bad, an external would not work REPEAT, BAD IS BAD, AN EXTERNAL WOULD NOT WORK> It is the SAME keybaord controller, it is a siungle chip. > Ok apears that the issue is likely with the KB controller itself. I > pulled the unit apart and with just the right side oof te kb attached > all the keys work great. With the left side only attached you get ghost > keys appaering the the right side. I would suspect that from what i know > this means I have a bad system board :( I was really haoping to be able > to use this system whe i am in the hostital in a few month's time so I > would like to work this out. Should i even consider such and old unit > for service ? > > thanx, > > kate > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Kate.. > > > > the 701 keyboard is composed of two "membranes" (one for each half) and its > > rather easy to get into it and clean the "contacts".. > > BUT, these "contacts" are little more than printed wiring.. > > > > go into easy setup (hold down the F1 key while powering the 701 on.. > > select the test icon, then hit Ctrl-A, then Ctrl-K.. > > you will be presented with a keyboard layout.. > > depress each key and the related point in the display kbd will turn on or > > off.. > > > > try it.. > > > > works with most thinkpads.. > > > > Kate Ross wrote: > > > > > I just recently aquired a gorgeous 701cs, the unit looks almost brand > > > new and seems to function great except for one issue, the KB is working > > > abit oddly, for instance hitting L gives me LS, as does hitting just S. > > > It would appear to be a KB or controller issue. Anyone have any > > > suggestions for these units ? Should I look for a repleacement KB, or > > > maybe try dissasembling this one and cleaning all the connectors ? > > > > > > thanx, > > > > > > kate > > > > -- > > --- > > Well from the looks of the KB test looks like one of the row/colum > > select lines are sharter as the doubled keys repeast ina patter, ie: > > > > s or l pressed both present sl > > w or o pressed both present wo > > caps or f7 pressed both present caps+f7 > > f1 or f8 --> f1+f8 > > . or x --> x+. > > 2 or 9 --> 2+9 > > > > all other keys seem to be ok. > > > > Anyone have any dissasembly advice for theese units ? > > > > kate From cph Sat Sep 9 23:52:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA20950 for ; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:52:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27771; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:50:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27593; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:50:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from connect.iconnect.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27576; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from connect.iconnect.net (207.112.164.1 -> connect.iconnect.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:50:12 -0400 Received: from mattwinston (ts2-02.iconnect.net [207.112.165.155]) by connect.iconnect.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA29450; Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:49:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <025c01c01ada$3cbd3740$0201a8c0@ameritech.net> From: "Matt Winston" To: , References: <200009090149.TAA44665@mail.aros.net> Subject: Re: Reinstalling W98 Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 22:50:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I've used Norton Ghost with great results. It lets you make, store and restore an entire drive's contents between machines or on the same unit. Even works with pcmcia laptop drives in an adapter on your desktop. Don't worry about the swap file copying using Ghost. It works great. BTW I remember copying a drive image the way you are trying, and when I deselected the swap file, everything worked fine. When I bought Ghost, I was able to download it from Norton's site and not have to visit the local computer store. There's also a couple of versions of WinImage available free on the web. That may work as well as Ghost. Matt mattwinston@ameritech.net ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 8:44 PM Subject: Re: Reinstalling W98 > Wow, you guys are great. Thanks for the quick replies. I am just not a > native to Windows, so I don't know all the ins and outs yet. > > Now that I know how to xcopy32, I have to ask if anyone has actually done > this to an entire partition, as its obvious to me that when it hits the > swap file, it drops out with the error. :( > > I thought I could move the swap file out to the root directory so I could > just copy all the subdirectories, but I am learning that Windows won't let > me remap the location of the swap file, except to another partition, which > I don't have. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > John > > From cph Sun Sep 10 02:42:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA21459 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:42:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03139; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:41:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:39:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA03004; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:39:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02991; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shasta.gate.net (216.219.246.6 -> shasta.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:39:46 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-277.gate.net [199.227.131.86]) by shasta.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA18616; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:39:40 -0400 Message-ID: <39BB2CD8.27D4DB09@gate.net> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 02:40:24 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kate Ross CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 question References: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <39B9B683.3B06CD25@bored.lexxdog.com> <39B9BCB6.E9569039@gate.net> <39BB128B.111C8186@bored.lexxdog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Kate.. i'm not entirely sure i agree with your conclusion.. did you not say earlier that you attached an external keyboard and that it worked..?! the 701's are still serviceable.. Kate Ross wrote: > Ok apears that the issue is likely with the KB controller itself. I > pulled the unit apart and with just the right side oof te kb attached > all the keys work great. With the left side only attached you get ghost > keys appaering the the right side. I would suspect that from what i know > this means I have a bad system board :( I was really haoping to be able > to use this system whe i am in the hostital in a few month's time so I > would like to work this out. Should i even consider such and old unit > for service ? > > thanx, > > kate > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Kate.. > > > > the 701 keyboard is composed of two "membranes" (one for each half) and its > > rather easy to get into it and clean the "contacts".. > > BUT, these "contacts" are little more than printed wiring.. > > > > go into easy setup (hold down the F1 key while powering the 701 on.. > > select the test icon, then hit Ctrl-A, then Ctrl-K.. > > you will be presented with a keyboard layout.. > > depress each key and the related point in the display kbd will turn on or > > off.. > > > > try it.. > > > > works with most thinkpads.. > > > > Kate Ross wrote: > > > > > I just recently aquired a gorgeous 701cs, the unit looks almost brand > > > new and seems to function great except for one issue, the KB is working > > > abit oddly, for instance hitting L gives me LS, as does hitting just S. > > > It would appear to be a KB or controller issue. Anyone have any > > > suggestions for these units ? Should I look for a repleacement KB, or > > > maybe try dissasembling this one and cleaning all the connectors ? > > > > > > thanx, > > > > > > kate > > > > -- > > --- > > Well from the looks of the KB test looks like one of the row/colum > > select lines are sharter as the doubled keys repeast ina patter, ie: > > > > s or l pressed both present sl > > w or o pressed both present wo > > caps or f7 pressed both present caps+f7 > > f1 or f8 --> f1+f8 > > . or x --> x+. > > 2 or 9 --> 2+9 > > > > all other keys seem to be ok. > > > > Anyone have any dissasembly advice for theese units ? > > > > kate -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sun Sep 10 04:53:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA21779 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 04:53:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11809; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 04:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 04:51:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11624; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 04:51:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11611; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 04:51:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 04:51:28 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-3.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.3]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA15871 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:51:20 +0300 Message-Id: <200009100851.LAA15871@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:51:15 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TP560] Which OS for 560X? (MS only, alas/please:-) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: You didn't mention how much RAM there's in your new TP560X. To me it's the most decisive factor when choosing between W95/98 and NT/2000. IMO, the only real advantage of W98 over W95 is FAT32 (which you can get in the second version of W95), otherwise W95 is much leaner than W98. Why don't you install one of W95/W98, and one of NT/2000, each on its own partition (if disk space permits)? I have done so (using W2K, but not on my 560X) using FAT32 as the common denominator (NT4 couldn't see FAT32 without 3rd party utilities) in order to minimize disk space overhead. -Dominique On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 at 01:40 PM you, "David Ross" , said: >Hi, >A new (to me) 560X just landed on my doorstep, sans OS, and I have to >decide >pronto which OS to install. Unfortunately, until a couple of my everyday >programs will >run on Wine under Linux, I have to use an OS from MS. Is there any big >advantage >(or disadvantage) to NT or 98 on this machine over 95? I have 95 and NT >on my shelf, >can run out and buy 98 tonight if useful. I guess my inclination is to >just install '95, then >upgrade to 98ME when it comes out if I need to use the USB, though I am >very open to >an argument as to why I should just install 98 2nd Ed from the beginning. >Thanks, >David R. From cph Sun Sep 10 08:57:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA32271 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:57:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24572; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:55:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24407; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:55:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from conn.mc.mpls.visi.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24394; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:55:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from conn.mc.mpls.visi.com (208.42.156.2 -> conn.mc.mpls.visi.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:55:15 -0400 Received: from zippy (171-145.dynamic.visi.com [209.98.171.145]) by conn.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 87825810E; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 07:54:26 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chris Schumann" To: "David Ross" , "Jeffrey Baker" , Subject: RE: Used or refurb 600 reliable source? Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 07:53:35 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <002501c019c2$fdc882a0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> List-Unsubscribe: I have purchased from Intellesale before they changed their name. I found their products to be NO more than advertised, and sometimes barely that. I had to hound their service department for weeks, including writing an actual letter that went unanswered. They will probably deliver on their promises, but you may have to keep them honest. If you want specific features, be sure to get an exact model number and check the item thoroughly once it arrives (but that makes sense for any purchase). > but at least you're buying from a reputable company:-) Other dealers > who always show up when > I'm looking for refurbed or clearance ThinkPads are starlex.com and > intellesale.com; I can't vouch for > either. You can also ask Bill Morrow. From cph Sun Sep 10 09:07:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA32305 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:07:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25169; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:07:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:05:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25052; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from corb.mc.mpls.visi.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25038; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from corb.mc.mpls.visi.com (208.42.156.1 -> corb.mc.mpls.visi.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:05:40 -0400 Received: from zippy (171-145.dynamic.visi.com [209.98.171.145]) by corb.mc.mpls.visi.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 01F618159; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:05:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Chris Schumann" To: "David Ross" , "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: [TP560] Which OS for 560X? (MS only, alas/please:-) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:04:05 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> List-Unsubscribe: Choosing an OS should depend on what you plan to do with the machine. Let's start with Win95; it uses fewer resources and runs faster. If you need or want USB support (now or soon), skip right to Win98SE. If you want a robust somewhat secure environment, use NT4. If you want secure AND USB, use W2K. Personally, I do not like OS upgrades. I feel it leaves too much chaff around, so I like to format my drive and start over. With Win9x, I pretty much have to do that once a year or so anyway, just to get it to behave well. > A new (to me) 560X just landed on my doorstep, sans OS, and I have to > decide > pronto which OS to install. Unfortunately, until a couple of my > everyday programs will > run on Wine under Linux, I have to use an OS from MS. Is > there any big > advantage > (or disadvantage) to NT or 98 on this machine over 95? I From cph Sun Sep 10 10:47:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA32702 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:47:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28120; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:46:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:44:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27976; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:44:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot07.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27963; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:44:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot07.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.27 -> pilot07.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:44:36 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (port42.annarbor01.tir.com [216.40.148.181]) by pilot07.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8AEiUG45760 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:44:31 -0400 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.0.20000910103922.01d75480@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:44:31 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: Used or refurb 600 reliable source? In-Reply-To: References: <002501c019c2$fdc882a0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: A warning about Intellesale or whatever they call themselves now. I'm not sure they can deal with paperwork very well. I bought two IBM Aptiva's for my kids last November, paid upfront. We got the units, but on had a dead disk so they couldn't have tested them as they said they did. That was fixed at the local repair center. They've been running just fine for about eight months, and then we get a bill for the units, saying "LATE -- OVERDUE". To their credit, the woman in the accounting department did figure it out, and did send me an updated sales sheet saying we'd paid in full, but I did have to force them to look at things. They clearly forgot they'd ever received money for me. With an experience like that, I'm note sure I can recommend them to others. --STeve Andre' At 07:53 AM 9/10/00 -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: >I have purchased from Intellesale before they changed their name. >I found their products to be NO more than advertised, and sometimes >barely that. I had to hound their service department for weeks, >including writing an actual letter that went unanswered. > >They will probably deliver on their promises, but you may have to >keep them honest. If you want specific features, be sure to get an >exact model number and check the item thoroughly once it arrives >(but that makes sense for any purchase). > > > but at least you're buying from a reputable company:-) Other dealers > > who always show up when > > I'm looking for refurbed or clearance ThinkPads are starlex.com and > > intellesale.com; I can't vouch for > > either. You can also ask Bill Morrow. From cph Sun Sep 10 10:52:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA32725 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:52:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28759; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:50:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28540; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:50:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28521; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (24.69.152.109 -> 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:50:14 -0400 Received: from bored.lexxdog.com ([10.1.1.27]) by 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA04866; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:14:28 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kate@bored.lexxdog.com) Message-ID: <39BBC96E.7B36BD3B@bored.lexxdog.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:48:30 -0700 From: Kate Ross X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: penzance@gate.net CC: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 question References: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <39B9B683.3B06CD25@bored.lexxdog.com> <39B9BCB6.E9569039@gate.net> <39BB128B.111C8186@bored.lexxdog.com> <39BB2CD8.27D4DB09@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: So my question for the list now is does anyone have a spare KB or dead unit with a good KB that thay they want to part with for a reasonable price ? kate Bill Morrow wrote: > > Kate.. > > i'm not entirely sure i agree with your conclusion.. > > did you not say earlier that you attached an external keyboard and that it > worked..?! > > the 701's are still serviceable.. > > Kate Ross wrote: > > > Ok apears that the issue is likely with the KB controller itself. I > > pulled the unit apart and with just the right side oof te kb attached > > all the keys work great. With the left side only attached you get ghost > > keys appaering the the right side. I would suspect that from what i know > > this means I have a bad system board :( I was really haoping to be able > > to use this system whe i am in the hostital in a few month's time so I > > would like to work this out. Should i even consider such and old unit > > for service ? > > > > thanx, > > > > kate > > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > Kate.. > > > > > > the 701 keyboard is composed of two "membranes" (one for each half) and its > > > rather easy to get into it and clean the "contacts".. > > > BUT, these "contacts" are little more than printed wiring.. > > > > > > go into easy setup (hold down the F1 key while powering the 701 on.. > > > select the test icon, then hit Ctrl-A, then Ctrl-K.. > > > you will be presented with a keyboard layout.. > > > depress each key and the related point in the display kbd will turn on or > > > off.. > > > > > > try it.. > > > > > > works with most thinkpads.. > > > > > > Kate Ross wrote: > > > > > > > I just recently aquired a gorgeous 701cs, the unit looks almost brand > > > > new and seems to function great except for one issue, the KB is working > > > > abit oddly, for instance hitting L gives me LS, as does hitting just S. > > > > It would appear to be a KB or controller issue. Anyone have any > > > > suggestions for these units ? Should I look for a repleacement KB, or > > > > maybe try dissasembling this one and cleaning all the connectors ? > > > > > > > > thanx, > > > > > > > > kate > > > > > > -- > > > --- > > > Well from the looks of the KB test looks like one of the row/colum > > > select lines are sharter as the doubled keys repeast ina patter, ie: > > > > > > s or l pressed both present sl > > > w or o pressed both present wo > > > caps or f7 pressed both present caps+f7 > > > f1 or f8 --> f1+f8 > > > . or x --> x+. > > > 2 or 9 --> 2+9 > > > > > > all other keys seem to be ok. > > > > > > Anyone have any dissasembly advice for theese units ? > > > > > > kate From cph Sun Sep 10 10:53:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA32729 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:53:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA29078; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:51:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28645; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ficus.frogspace.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28631; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ficus.frogspace.net (64.6.237.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:51:16 -0400 Received: from [209.105.53.213] (helo=yar) by ficus.frogspace.net with smtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 13Y8Rk-0000i5-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 10:51:05 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c01b35$f39f64a0$0109790a@yar> From: "Code0 Networks" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: [TP730T] Anyone have the DOS pen drivers? Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:46:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I recently removed Win95 from my 730T and installed OpenDOS 7.01/Win3.1 w/pen (BIG improvement and with no floppy drive!). Anyway, I do not have a copy of the DOS pen drivers and was wondering if anyone out there could send them to me. TIA. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Jonathan C. Bailey Webmaster, Code0 Networks http://www.code0.net/ jbailey@smig.net jonathan@code0.net I B M U B M We all B M For I B M!!!! - H.A.R.L.I.E. Knowledge may be a sword, but it is double-edged. The delivery mechanisms for knowledge are today in the hands of fewer and fewer people. - Bytes for All Today is a very important day. 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From cph Sun Sep 10 11:20:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA00421 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:20:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00503; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:18:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00340; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:18:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00326; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from main.ismi.net (206.31.56.7 -> main.ismi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:18:52 -0400 Received: from denhall (hi1hwl1-022.ismi.net [207.51.180.27]) by main.ismi.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id LAA29849 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:18:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004301c01b3a$e4f9c080$1bb433cf@denhall> From: "Denis Hall" To: Subject: Re: Used or refurb 600 reliable source?Not Intellesale/DataPath Technologies/Flavor of the Month... Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:22:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3612.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3612.1700 List-Unsubscribe: I believe Intellesale was also known as DataPath Technologies recently -- and they are a very questionable source for reliable equipment from my experiences....you can do better... -Denis Hall, Michigan >A warning about Intellesale or whatever they call themselves now. > >I'm not sure they can deal with paperwork very well. I bought two IBM >Aptiva's for my kids last November, paid upfront. We got the units, >but on had a dead disk so they couldn't have tested them as they >said they did. That was fixed at the local repair center. > >They've been running just fine for about eight months, and then we >get a bill for the units, saying "LATE -- OVERDUE". To their credit, >the woman in the accounting department did figure it out, and did >send me an updated sales sheet saying we'd paid in full, but I did >have to force them to look at things. They clearly forgot they'd >ever received money for me. > >With an experience like that, I'm note sure I can recommend them >to others. > >--STeve Andre' > >At 07:53 AM 9/10/00 -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: >>I have purchased from Intellesale before they changed their name. >>I found their products to be NO more than advertised, and sometimes >>barely that. I had to hound their service department for weeks, >>including writing an actual letter that went unanswered. >> >>They will probably deliver on their promises, but you may have to >>keep them honest. If you want specific features, be sure to get an >>exact model number and check the item thoroughly once it arrives >>(but that makes sense for any purchase). >> >> > but at least you're buying from a reputable company:-) Other dealers >> > who always show up when >> > I'm looking for refurbed or clearance ThinkPads are starlex.com and >> > intellesale.com; I can't vouch for >> > either. You can also ask Bill Morrow. > From cph Sun Sep 10 11:36:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA00493 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:36:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01483; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:34:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01342; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA01328; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:34:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.1 -> sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 11:34:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 24310 invoked by alias); 10 Sep 2000 15:34:48 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 24278 invoked by uid 0); 10 Sep 2000 15:34:46 -0000 Received: from dialupw242.sttl.uswest.net (HELO sfupc) (216.160.86.242) by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 10 Sep 2000 15:34:46 -0000 Message-ID: <004901c01b3c$78474be0$f256a0d8@triumf.ca> From: "p machule" To: "Kate Ross" , Cc: "ThinkPad List" References: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <39B9B683.3B06CD25@bored.lexxdog.com> <39B9BCB6.E9569039@gate.net> <39BB128B.111C8186@bored.lexxdog.com> <39BB2CD8.27D4DB09@gate.net> <39BBC96E.7B36BD3B@bored.lexxdog.com> Subject: Re: 701 question Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 08:33:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Wait a minute ! The fact that the unit works with an external keyboard does NOT prove that the keyboard controller is fine. This is a laptop ...not a desktop . It has 2 ( sort off ) keyboard controller(s). Part one translates the row and columm stuff , part two is what we normally see on standard motherboards . It takes standard keyboard signals ,plays with them , and and sends them to the chipset. I'm sure that on most laptops this chip is one chip and resides on the motherboard. Good luck ;-} ...peter.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kate Ross To: Cc: ThinkPad List Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:48 AM Subject: Re: 701 question > So my question for the list now is does anyone have a spare KB or dead > unit with a good KB that thay they want to part with for a reasonable > price ? > > kate > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > Kate.. > > > > i'm not entirely sure i agree with your conclusion.. > > > > did you not say earlier that you attached an external keyboard and that it > > worked..?! > > > > the 701's are still serviceable.. > > > > Kate Ross wrote: > > > > > Ok apears that the issue is likely with the KB controller itself. I > > > pulled the unit apart and with just the right side oof te kb attached > > > all the keys work great. With the left side only attached you get ghost > > > keys appaering the the right side. I would suspect that from what i know > > > this means I have a bad system board :( I was really haoping to be able > > > to use this system whe i am in the hostital in a few month's time so I > > > would like to work this out. Should i even consider such and old unit > > > for service ? > > > > > > thanx, > > > > > > kate > > > > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > > Kate.. > > > > > > > > the 701 keyboard is composed of two "membranes" (one for each half) and its > > > > rather easy to get into it and clean the "contacts".. > > > > BUT, these "contacts" are little more than printed wiring.. > > > > > > > > go into easy setup (hold down the F1 key while powering the 701 on.. > > > > select the test icon, then hit Ctrl-A, then Ctrl-K.. > > > > you will be presented with a keyboard layout.. > > > > depress each key and the related point in the display kbd will turn on or > > > > off.. > > > > > > > > try it.. > > > > > > > > works with most thinkpads.. > > > > > > > > Kate Ross wrote: > > > > > > > > > I just recently aquired a gorgeous 701cs, the unit looks almost brand > > > > > new and seems to function great except for one issue, the KB is working > > > > > abit oddly, for instance hitting L gives me LS, as does hitting just S. > > > > > It would appear to be a KB or controller issue. Anyone have any > > > > > suggestions for these units ? Should I look for a repleacement KB, or > > > > > maybe try dissasembling this one and cleaning all the connectors ? > > > > > > > > > > thanx, > > > > > > > > > > kate > > > > > > > > -- > > > > --- > > > > Well from the looks of the KB test looks like one of the row/colum > > > > select lines are sharter as the doubled keys repeast ina patter, ie: > > > > > > > > s or l pressed both present sl > > > > w or o pressed both present wo > > > > caps or f7 pressed both present caps+f7 > > > > f1 or f8 --> f1+f8 > > > > . or x --> x+. > > > > 2 or 9 --> 2+9 > > > > > > > > all other keys seem to be ok. > > > > > > > > Anyone have any dissasembly advice for theese units ? > > > > > > > > kate > From cph Sun Sep 10 13:19:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA01000 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:19:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06148; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:18:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:16:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05971; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05956; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:16:23 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-425.gate.net [199.227.173.171]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA31100; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:14:12 -0400 Message-ID: <39BBC190.23720EB2@gate.net> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:14:56 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: p machule CC: Kate Ross , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 question References: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <39B9B683.3B06CD25@bored.lexxdog.com> <39B9BCB6.E9569039@gate.net> <39BB128B.111C8186@bored.lexxdog.com> <39BB2CD8.27D4DB09@gate.net> <39BBC96E.7B36BD3B@bored.lexxdog.com> <004901c01b3c$78474be0$f256a0d8@triumf.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: OK, the minute is up.. my bet is the keyboard... it is the part most prone to failure, the failure is only with a few keys and not the entire keyboard... AND, i'm sure someone will correct me on THIS assertion, i'm not entirely sure there ARE two keyboard controllers on a laptop.. (please use fresh fruit when throwing things) p machule wrote: > Wait a minute ! > The fact that the unit works with an external keyboard does NOT prove that the keyboard controller is fine. > This is a laptop ...not a desktop . > It has 2 ( sort off ) keyboard controller(s). > Part one translates the row and columm stuff , part two is what we normally see on standard motherboards . > It takes standard keyboard signals ,plays with them , and and sends them to the chipset. > I'm sure that on most laptops this chip is one chip and resides on the motherboard. > > Good luck ;-} > > ...peter.. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kate Ross > To: > Cc: ThinkPad List > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:48 AM > Subject: Re: 701 question > > > So my question for the list now is does anyone have a spare KB or dead > > unit with a good KB that thay they want to part with for a reasonable > > price ? > > > > kate > > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > Kate.. > > > > > > i'm not entirely sure i agree with your conclusion.. > > > > > > did you not say earlier that you attached an external keyboard and that it > > > worked..?! > > > > > > the 701's are still serviceable.. > > > > > > Kate Ross wrote: > > > > > > > Ok apears that the issue is likely with the KB controller itself. I > > > > pulled the unit apart and with just the right side oof te kb attached > > > > all the keys work great. With the left side only attached you get ghost > > > > keys appaering the the right side. I would suspect that from what i know > > > > this means I have a bad system board :( I was really haoping to be able > > > > to use this system whe i am in the hostital in a few month's time so I > > > > would like to work this out. Should i even consider such and old unit > > > > for service ? > > > > > > > > thanx, > > > > > > > > kate > > > > > > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kate.. > > > > > > > > > > the 701 keyboard is composed of two "membranes" (one for each half) and its > > > > > rather easy to get into it and clean the "contacts".. > > > > > BUT, these "contacts" are little more than printed wiring.. > > > > > > > > > > go into easy setup (hold down the F1 key while powering the 701 on.. > > > > > select the test icon, then hit Ctrl-A, then Ctrl-K.. > > > > > you will be presented with a keyboard layout.. > > > > > depress each key and the related point in the display kbd will turn on or > > > > > off.. > > > > > > > > > > try it.. > > > > > > > > > > works with most thinkpads.. > > > > > > > > > > Kate Ross wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I just recently aquired a gorgeous 701cs, the unit looks almost brand > > > > > > new and seems to function great except for one issue, the KB is working > > > > > > abit oddly, for instance hitting L gives me LS, as does hitting just S. > > > > > > It would appear to be a KB or controller issue. Anyone have any > > > > > > suggestions for these units ? Should I look for a repleacement KB, or > > > > > > maybe try dissasembling this one and cleaning all the connectors ? > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx, > > > > > > > > > > > > kate > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > --- > > > > > Well from the looks of the KB test looks like one of the row/colum > > > > > select lines are sharter as the doubled keys repeast ina patter, ie: > > > > > > > > > > s or l pressed both present sl > > > > > w or o pressed both present wo > > > > > caps or f7 pressed both present caps+f7 > > > > > f1 or f8 --> f1+f8 > > > > > . or x --> x+. > > > > > 2 or 9 --> 2+9 > > > > > > > > > > all other keys seem to be ok. > > > > > > > > > > Anyone have any dissasembly advice for theese units ? > > > > > > > > > > kate > > -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sun Sep 10 13:32:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA01073 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:32:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07045; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:28:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:26:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06855; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA06841; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:26:43 -0400 Received: from mattwinston ([64.108.198.89]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20000910172641.QPJ889.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@mattwinston>; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:26:41 -0500 Message-ID: <030901c01b4c$4d806b20$0201a8c0@ameritech.net> From: "Matt Winston" To: , "Code0 Networks" References: <000b01c01b35$f39f64a0$0109790a@yar> Subject: Re: [TP730T] DOS pen drivers Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:26:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: The 730T/TE digitizer drivers are on both of IBM's Pc-Dos 6.3 and 7.0 disks. You can (at Dos Prompt) use the command setup /e to use selective install. There is also an upgrade, PenDos 2.21 that works well, but if you have memory restrictions you may have to tweak the EMM.386 a bit. Email if you have install questions. I've done many pen setups and would be happy to share the experience. BTW, why OpenDos? What advantage does it give you? Regards, Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Code0 Networks" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 9:46 AM Subject: [TP730T] Anyone have the DOS pen drivers? > I recently removed Win95 from my 730T and installed OpenDOS 7.01/Win3.1 > w/pen (BIG improvement and with no floppy drive!). Anyway, I do not have a > copy of the DOS pen drivers and was wondering if anyone out there could send > them to me. > TIA. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- > -------- > Jonathan C. Bailey > Webmaster, Code0 Networks > http://www.code0.net/ > jbailey@smig.net > jonathan@code0.net > > I B M U B M We all B M For I B M!!!! - H.A.R.L.I.E. > > Knowledge may be a sword, but it is double-edged. The delivery mechanisms > for knowledge are today in the hands of fewer and fewer people. - Bytes for > All > > Today is a very important day. You are exchanging today for a day of your > life. > You can waste it - or you can use it for good. > When tomorrow comes, today will be gone forever, leaving in its place for > what you have traded it. > Use it for gain not loss; for good not evil; for right not wrong; for > success not failure. > Use it for the best that is in you so that you will never regret the price > you have paid for this day. > > From cph Sun Sep 10 13:37:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA01085 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:37:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07776; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:34:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:32:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07590; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:32:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07577; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:32:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:32:43 -0400 Received: from 216-164-133-251.s251.tnt3.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.133.251] helo=bilbobag) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13YAy9-0006uS-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:32:42 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:32:31 -0400 Message-ID: <01C01B2B.924F7B40.lingenfr@erols.com> From: Bilbo Baggins To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: DVD card w/ 600 and 600E? Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:32:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Like a dummy, I bought a 600 and a DVD drive before reading that you need an MPEG decoder to make it work properly. I imagine that I will upgrade to a 600E in the near future. With this in mind, I am wondering if it is worthwhile to get one of the Margi DVD-to-Go cards or not. Is the performance of the 600E so much better that the card is completely unnecessary or is the card still worthwhile. If the 600E is completely capable of good playback, I would thing that the only other advantage of the card would be the possibility of DVD in a window while still doing other tasks. Any experience is of interest. Thanks. Rusty From cph Sun Sep 10 13:42:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA01126 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:42:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08354; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:38:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:37:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08157; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08144; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:37:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:37:23 -0400 Received: from mattwinston ([64.108.198.89]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20000910173721.RAN889.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@mattwinston>; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:37:21 -0500 Message-ID: <034101c01b4d$cad592c0$0201a8c0@ameritech.net> From: "Matt Winston" To: "David Ross" , "ThinkPad List" References: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TP560] Which OS for 560X? (MS only, alas/please:-) Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 12:37:29 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Hi David, If you have W95 OSR2 with USB support, use it. Runs great on my 560x with 64k Ram. W98SE takes up more space and why spend the money if you don't have to. Regards, Matt ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad List" Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 6:40 PM Subject: [TP560] Which OS for 560X? (MS only, alas/please:-) > Hi, > > A new (to me) 560X just landed on my doorstep, sans OS, and I have to > decide > pronto which OS to install. Unfortunately, until a couple of my > everyday programs will > run on Wine under Linux, I have to use an OS from MS. Is there any big > advantage > (or disadvantage) to NT or 98 on this machine over 95? I have 95 and NT > on my shelf, > can run out and buy 98 tonight if useful. I guess my inclination is to > just install '95, then > upgrade to 98ME when it comes out if I need to use the USB, though I am > very open to > an argument as to why I should just install 98 2nd Ed from the > beginning. > > Thanks, > David R. > > From cph Sun Sep 10 14:21:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA01312 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:21:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10069; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:21:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:19:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09865; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09852; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (129.250.36.41 -> dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:19:09 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13YBh2-0001hK-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:19:04 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.52] (helo=isdn30-52.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13YBh1-0001ZX-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:19:04 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: [TP560] How to provide USB services Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 13:08:31 -0500 Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA01313 Is there anything that will provide USB on my 560? I am looking for a pcmcia solution. Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Sun Sep 10 14:36:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA01388 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:36:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11161; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:36:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:35:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11002; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:35:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10978; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (24.69.152.109 -> 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:35:07 -0400 Received: from bored.lexxdog.com ([10.1.1.27]) by 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA05364; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:59:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kate@bored.lexxdog.com) Message-ID: <39BBFE28.E770D56@bored.lexxdog.com> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 14:33:28 -0700 From: Kate Ross X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: penzance@gate.net CC: p machule , ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 question References: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <39B9B683.3B06CD25@bored.lexxdog.com> <39B9BCB6.E9569039@gate.net> <39BB128B.111C8186@bored.lexxdog.com> <39BB2CD8.27D4DB09@gate.net> <39BBC96E.7B36BD3B@bored.lexxdog.com> <004901c01b3c$78474be0$f256a0d8@triumf.ca> <39BBC190.23720EB2@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ok lets consider the tp701 butterfly kb. Pulling the unit off you see that there are no electronics on the KB, just the two foil patterns to form the matrix. If I unplug both KB sides, left and right the trackpoint work s fine. With just the right hand side plugged in all the keys fiction correctly. Everything appears fine. With JUST the left side plugged in there are a number of keys such as caps lock, s, x that produce a phantom keystroke of keys that exist only on the right hand portion of the KB. Since that KB section is totally unplugged from the laptop system board this would appear to indicate that the issue is with the KB decoding logic in the system board itself not the KB. After all at this point eh lines to produce say a . when the x is pressed are physically disconnected from the system board ? Does this make sense ? Someone on the list has offered me a system with dead sound for a good price so I could likely use that system board, I didn't look when i had the KB off mine, is the sound board a seperate subsystem or am I just replacing one problem for another ? To be honest I'm currently un-employed and can't really afford to just through away the system but would really like to be able to make a working system without too much investment as I purchased the system as working. Shoulf I just try for a refund from the purchaser ? The system was advertsed as in working condition when i bought it, and thre seller says it was working fine when they shipped it. Am I juust out of luck here? A very frustrated, kate Bill Morrow wrote: > > OK, the minute is up.. > my bet is the keyboard... > it is the part most prone to failure, the failure is only with a few keys and not the entire keyboard... > AND, i'm sure someone will correct me on THIS assertion, i'm not entirely sure there ARE two keyboard > controllers on a laptop.. > (please use fresh fruit when throwing things) > > p machule wrote: > > > Wait a minute ! > > The fact that the unit works with an external keyboard does NOT prove that the keyboard controller is fine. > > This is a laptop ...not a desktop . > > It has 2 ( sort off ) keyboard controller(s). > > Part one translates the row and columm stuff , part two is what we normally see on standard motherboards . > > It takes standard keyboard signals ,plays with them , and and sends them to the chipset. > > I'm sure that on most laptops this chip is one chip and resides on the motherboard. > > > > Good luck ;-} > > > > ...peter.. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Kate Ross > > To: > > Cc: ThinkPad List > > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:48 AM > > Subject: Re: 701 question > > > > > So my question for the list now is does anyone have a spare KB or dead > > > unit with a good KB that thay they want to part with for a reasonable > > > price ? > > > > > > kate > > > > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > > Kate.. > > > > > > > > i'm not entirely sure i agree with your conclusion.. > > > > > > > > did you not say earlier that you attached an external keyboard and that it > > > > worked..?! > > > > > > > > the 701's are still serviceable.. > > > > > > > > Kate Ross wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ok apears that the issue is likely with the KB controller itself. I > > > > > pulled the unit apart and with just the right side oof te kb attached > > > > > all the keys work great. With the left side only attached you get ghost > > > > > keys appaering the the right side. I would suspect that from what i know > > > > > this means I have a bad system board :( I was really haoping to be able > > > > > to use this system whe i am in the hostital in a few month's time so I > > > > > would like to work this out. Should i even consider such and old unit > > > > > for service ? > > > > > > > > > > thanx, > > > > > > > > > > kate > > > > > > > > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate.. > > > > > > > > > > > > the 701 keyboard is composed of two "membranes" (one for each half) and its > > > > > > rather easy to get into it and clean the "contacts".. > > > > > > BUT, these "contacts" are little more than printed wiring.. > > > > > > > > > > > > go into easy setup (hold down the F1 key while powering the 701 on.. > > > > > > select the test icon, then hit Ctrl-A, then Ctrl-K.. > > > > > > you will be presented with a keyboard layout.. > > > > > > depress each key and the related point in the display kbd will turn on or > > > > > > off.. > > > > > > > > > > > > try it.. > > > > > > > > > > > > works with most thinkpads.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Ross wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just recently aquired a gorgeous 701cs, the unit looks almost brand > > > > > > > new and seems to function great except for one issue, the KB is working > > > > > > > abit oddly, for instance hitting L gives me LS, as does hitting just S. > > > > > > > It would appear to be a KB or controller issue. Anyone have any > > > > > > > suggestions for these units ? Should I look for a repleacement KB, or > > > > > > > maybe try dissasembling this one and cleaning all the connectors ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kate > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Well from the looks of the KB test looks like one of the row/colum > > > > > > select lines are sharter as the doubled keys repeast ina patter, ie: > > > > > > > > > > > > s or l pressed both present sl > > > > > > w or o pressed both present wo > > > > > > caps or f7 pressed both present caps+f7 > > > > > > f1 or f8 --> f1+f8 > > > > > > . or x --> x+. > > > > > > 2 or 9 --> 2+9 > > > > > > > > > > > > all other keys seem to be ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone have any dissasembly advice for theese units ? > > > > > > > > > > > > kate > > > > > -- > --- > > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > sic transit gloria From cph Sun Sep 10 17:35:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA02100 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:35:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18352; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:34:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:32:43 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18105; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:32:42 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id RAA29914 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07093; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:32:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:32:20 -0400 Received: from user-38ld5dv.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38ld5dv.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.149.191]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA14944; Fri, 8 Sep 2000 19:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009082332.TAA14944@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "jbrush@aros.net" , "THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu" Date: Fri, 08 Sep 2000 19:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200009082100.PAA83005@mail.aros.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Mail Clients, was: Attachments (was: MPEG-2 Decoder...) List-Unsubscribe: Well, Exchange Server with Exchange Client will halt the client totally when a msg arrives. It may be stable but what kind of stability does that to the end user of a "multitasking" OS? OVer DUN, that little problem is maddening. I see the same thing now that the office has "upgraded" to full Outlook. I have decided to leave Exchange client on the laptop, and just forget Outlook. I can't understand why I can run some two dozen apps on this desktop, including several internet apps, and have no discernable way to notice an email has arrived except for a sound I set to let me know in PMMail, and can't even do one thing when an email arrives via Exchange client or Outlook via DUN or the office desktop. But then I am just an end user and not a software engineer who would know better. On Fri, 08 Sep 2000 14:49:10 -0600, jbrush@aros.net wrote: >In , on 09/08/00 >at 02:49 PM, > Greg Langham said: > > >>Sounds like you have a poor network, admin, or server. Exchange Server >>with Outlook is very stable, and very good, IMHO. We run 18 locations and >>multiple servers with Exchange Server 5.5 and it works very well. > >Okay, I stayed out of the obscenity thread, but I can't abide this :) > >It is way wrong to simply accuse the admin of being no good when the >software is questionable at best. As a former adminstrator, I take >exception to having us take the hit for what is Microsoft's problem. You >see, the biggest problem microsoft has is not the "microsoft s.... ooops, >almost said it!" but the fact that their software is soooo dang hardware >fussy it can drive you to drink. You are doubtless speaking the truth when >you say your server and outlook are stable, but others are not lying when >they tell you that its very unstable. It is NOT an administrator problem, >it is a Microsoft software problem. Don't wait for them to fix it any time >soon, as they are not motivated to do so. > >Remember, M$ is the one who is always touting standards, yet their >software is not hardware friendly at all. The fact that it says "designed >for Windows*"does not mean it will run windows, it means someone paid M$ >for the right to the sticker. > >I love my Thinkpad! > >Regards, > >John From cph Sun Sep 10 18:33:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA02405 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:33:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20902; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:31:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20716; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:31:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from email1.smig.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20702; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:31:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from email1.smig.net (206.9.120.247 -> email1.smig.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:31:01 -0400 Received: from yar (dalb128.smig.net [209.105.53.128]) by email1.smig.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA01434; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:32:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <001201c01b76$278cbe80$0109790a@yar> From: "Jonathan Bailey" To: "Matt Winston" , Subject: Re: [TP730T] DOS pen drivers Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:26:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: OpenDOS helped me because I didn't have a floppy drive. And MS-DOS wants to install from a disk, and I didn't want to spend more money then I had to. :-) What I'm looking for is the files, as my ThinkPad was loaded with Win95 and not PC-DOS and whatever like when it was new. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Winston To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu ; Code0 Networks Date: Sunday, September 10, 2000 12:28 PM Subject: Re: [TP730T] DOS pen drivers >The 730T/TE digitizer drivers are on both of IBM's Pc-Dos 6.3 and 7.0 disks. >You can (at Dos Prompt) use the command setup /e to use selective install. >There is also an upgrade, PenDos 2.21 that works well, but if you have >memory restrictions you may have to tweak the EMM.386 a bit. Email if you >have install questions. I've done many pen setups and would be happy to >share the experience. BTW, why OpenDos? What advantage does it give you? > >Regards, >Matt > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Code0 Networks" >To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" >Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 9:46 AM >Subject: [TP730T] Anyone have the DOS pen drivers? > > >> I recently removed Win95 from my 730T and installed OpenDOS 7.01/Win3.1 >> w/pen (BIG improvement and with no floppy drive!). Anyway, I do not have a >> copy of the DOS pen drivers and was wondering if anyone out there could >send >> them to me. >> TIA. >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ - >-- >> -------- >> Jonathan C. Bailey >> Webmaster, Code0 Networks >> http://www.code0.net/ >> jbailey@smig.net >> jonathan@code0.net >> >> I B M U B M We all B M For I B M!!!! - H.A.R.L.I.E. >> >> Knowledge may be a sword, but it is double-edged. The delivery mechanisms >> for knowledge are today in the hands of fewer and fewer people. - Bytes >for >> All >> >> Today is a very important day. You are exchanging today for a day of your >> life. >> You can waste it - or you can use it for good. >> When tomorrow comes, today will be gone forever, leaving in its place for >> what you have traded it. >> Use it for gain not loss; for good not evil; for right not wrong; for >> success not failure. >> Use it for the best that is in you so that you will never regret the price >> you have paid for this day. >> >> > From cph Sun Sep 10 18:41:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA02438 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:41:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21515; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:38:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21358; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21343; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.147.1.143 -> chmls05.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:38:55 -0400 Received: from laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA02445 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:38:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: RE: reinstalling W98 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:38:55 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c01b77$e6f22160$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I couldn't agree more, Matt, about Norton Ghost. I had tried (and returned) PQ Drive Image because it required having a second hard drive to back up on, or a Jaz drive, or some other similar, expensive alternative. With Ghost, running W98 on both my laptop and my desktop, I could use a cheap LapLink cord to back up each computer on the other. When I replaced noisy hard drives in my 770z (twice) I used Ghost and replicated the original hd flawlessly on the new hds. I think now one can even get a USB LapLink cable for about $40 (?) which may work much faster - the parallel cable is slow and the job has to be done overnight, basically. Now that I've put W2K with NTFS partitioning on my laptop, but not on my desktop, I don't think I have a Norton Ghost that will backup in both directions. There may be ways to do it, but it's been too hard for me to get my head around so far using information from messages on the W2K Microsoft newsgroups. -- Jeff > >-----Original Message----- >From: Matt Winston [mailto:mattwinston@iconnect.net] >Sent: Saturday, September 09, 2000 11:50 PM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; jbrush@aros.net >Subject: Re: Reinstalling W98 > >I've used Norton Ghost with great results. It lets you make, store and >restore an entire drive's contents between machines or on the same unit. >Even works with pcmcia laptop drives in an adapter on your desktop. Don't >worry about the swap file copying using Ghost. It works great. BTW I >remember copying a drive image the way you are trying, and when I deselected >the swap file, everything worked fine. When I bought Ghost, I was able to >download it from Norton's site and not have to visit the local computer >store. There's also a couple of versions of WinImage available free on the >web. That may work as well as Ghost. > >Matt From cph Sun Sep 10 19:09:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA02549 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:09:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23030; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:07:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22866; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22853; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:07:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.31 -> cpimssmtpu09.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:07:35 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.251.22 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:06:44 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c01b7c$42ed0c60$16fb163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: speakers on 760el Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:10:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Are the speakers on my in-laws 760el stereo? On boot with my 560 I great great sound with stereo. On the 760el same wav file, I get sound just thru the left speaker.... Any ideas? Booger From cph Sun Sep 10 19:44:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA02744 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:44:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24748; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:42:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24574; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24561; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:42:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:42:21 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-28.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.181]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA10690; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:42:18 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Brad Burean" , "Thinkpad Users" Subject: RE: speakers on 760el Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:45:19 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001501c01b7c$42ed0c60$16fb163f@oemcomputer> List-Unsubscribe: Yes they are. It's common for one of the speaker connecters to come loose, and it's a Royal PITA to reseat them! You have to take off the top cover (between the keyboard and the display). Have forceps or tweezers handy, the plugs are smegging tiny. HTH, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Brad Burean [mailto:Burean@email.msn.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 6:10 PM > To: Thinkpad Users > Subject: speakers on 760el > > > Are the speakers on my in-laws 760el stereo? On boot with my 560 I great > great sound with stereo. On the 760el same wav file, I get sound just thru > the left speaker.... Any ideas? > > Booger > > From cph Sun Sep 10 19:46:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA02760 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:46:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25192; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:45:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:44:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24739; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24722; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:44:05 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-28.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.181]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA10960; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:44:02 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "John Small" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RE: [TP560] How to provide USB services Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:47:04 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: Serial to USB (ergo serial to serial) would be better/faster John. There are many adapters available for this John. Search the web. HTH, James > -----Original Message----- > From: John Small [mailto:jtsmall@onramp.net] > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 1:09 PM > To: ThinkPad Mailing List > Subject: [TP560] How to provide USB services > > > Is there anything that will provide USB on my 560? I am looking for a pcmcia > solution. > > Thanks. > > -jts > ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Sun Sep 10 19:50:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA02785 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:50:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25810; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:50:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:48:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25602; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25589; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.30 -> cpimssmtpu08.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:48:50 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.251.22 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 16:47:59 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c01b82$06028220$16fb163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "James H. E. Maugham" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: Subject: Re: speakers on 760el Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 18:51:20 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Heck with it. They can't hear anyway. Booger ----- Original Message ----- From: James H. E. Maugham To: Brad Burean ; Thinkpad Users Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 7:45 PM Subject: RE: speakers on 760el > Yes they are. It's common for one of the speaker connecters to come loose, and > it's a Royal PITA to reseat them! You have to take off the top cover (between > the keyboard and the display). > > Have forceps or tweezers handy, the plugs are smegging tiny. > > HTH, > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Brad Burean [mailto:Burean@email.msn.com] > > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 6:10 PM > > To: Thinkpad Users > > Subject: speakers on 760el > > > > > > Are the speakers on my in-laws 760el stereo? On boot with my 560 I great > > great sound with stereo. On the 760el same wav file, I get sound just thru > > the left speaker.... Any ideas? > > > > Booger > > > > > From cph Sun Sep 10 19:55:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA02821 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:55:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26549; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:55:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:53:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26262; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26249; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:53:33 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-28.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.181]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA12745; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:53:31 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Bilbo Baggins" , Subject: RE: DVD card w/ 600 and 600E? Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:56:33 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <01C01B2B.924F7B40.lingenfr@erols.com> List-Unsubscribe: You need the Margi card for the 600 if you want trouble free playback. A PII 300 seems to be about the minimum processor that will play a DVD under software only. My PI266/MMX 600 falls on it's face without the Margi card, but sings with it. My PII300 600E will play a movie just fine without the Margi card, but don't even think about doing anything else while the movie is running. Even just moving the mouse will cause skips and dropouts. With the card, I can multi-task easily (within reason). HTH, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Bilbo Baggins [mailto:lingenfr@erols.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 12:32 PM > To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu' > Subject: DVD card w/ 600 and 600E? > > > Hi, > > Like a dummy, I bought a 600 and a DVD drive before reading that you need > an MPEG decoder to make it work properly. I imagine that I will upgrade to > a 600E in the near future. With this in mind, I am wondering if it is > worthwhile to get one of the Margi DVD-to-Go cards or not. Is the > performance of the 600E so much better that the card is completely > unnecessary or is the card still worthwhile. If the 600E is completely > capable of good playback, I would thing that the only other advantage of > the card would be the possibility of DVD in a window while still doing > other tasks. Any experience is of interest. Thanks. > > Rusty From cph Sun Sep 10 20:10:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA02876 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:10:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27961; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:07:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27750; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:07:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA27737; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (195.170.0.2 -> ns1.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:07:48 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-f209.otenet.gr [212.205.234.209]) by ns1.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8B07ja08315 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 03:07:45 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009110007.e8B07ja08315@ns1.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 03:06:26 -0100 (EET) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: DVD card w/ 600 and 600E? List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id UAA27961 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id UAA02877 On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 19:56:33 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >My PII300 600E will play a movie just fine without the Margi card, but don't >even think about doing anything else while the movie is running. Even just >moving the mouse will cause skips and dropouts. With the card, I can multi-task >easily (within reason). I've got a 600E which has a PII 366, since a PII300 is the minimum, i suppose that i wont have a problem playing DVD's. Are there any considerations when playing DVD's on ThinkPads under operating systems other than windoze? þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sun Sep 10 20:24:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA02961 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:24:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29155; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:24:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:22:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28941; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28908; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:22:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:22:32 -0400 Received: from 209-122-243-59.s59.tnt1.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.243.59] helo=ppro) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13YHMk-0006ks-00; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:22:31 -0400 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:22:02 -0400 Message-ID: <00ca01c01b86$3f4136e0$0d00a8c0@dec5200> From: "R Briganti" To: "Bilbo Baggins" , References: <01C01B2B.924F7B40.lingenfr@erols.com> Subject: Re: DVD card w/ 600 and 600E? Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:21:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: If you need a DVD decoder card, centrix http://www.centrix-intl.com/ has the MARGI full retail boxed card for $128. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bilbo Baggins" To: Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 13:32 Subject: DVD card w/ 600 and 600E? > Hi, > > Like a dummy, I bought a 600 and a DVD drive before reading that you need > an MPEG decoder to make it work properly. I imagine that I will upgrade to > a 600E in the near future. With this in mind, I am wondering if it is > worthwhile to get one of the Margi DVD-to-Go cards or not. Is the > performance of the 600E so much better that the card is completely > unnecessary or is the card still worthwhile. If the 600E is completely > capable of good playback, I would thing that the only other advantage of > the card would be the possibility of DVD in a window while still doing > other tasks. Any experience is of interest. Thanks. > > Rusty > > From cph Sun Sep 10 20:36:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA03066 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:36:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA00106; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:36:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:34:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29944; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:34:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29931; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:34:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.103 -> pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:34:32 -0400 Received: from CHUCK (adsl-63-198-207-46.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.207.46]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8B0YVZ139606 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 20:34:31 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:34:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: tp600 Battery deal Reply-to: chuck@ccncn.org Message-ID: <39BBC609.16405.4D035BD@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Egghead has new ThinkPad 600 batteries for $89 http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00000325/03269353.htm Just bought one.... From cph Sun Sep 10 21:27:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA03400 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:27:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02611; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:25:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:23:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02428; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:23:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02411; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:23:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:23:48 -0400 Received: from 560x (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA27959; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:23:39 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002b01c01c58$16715600$c362183f@560x> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Denis Hall" , References: <004301c01b3a$e4f9c080$1bb433cf@denhall> Subject: Re: Used or refurb 600 reliable source?Not Intellesale/DataPath Technologies/Flavor of the Month... Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:23:38 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Sorry that I brought up Intellesale... I think they were *not* DataPath, as a few years ago (before Intellesale changed its name) I comsidered both for a machine (and had strong recommendations against DataPath, lukewarm for the company preceding Intellesale). Alas, I cannot find their previous name in my files... I think it was former TP lister Emanual Brown who suggested that Intellesale sells machines before they get them in... - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Denis Hall To: Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 5:22 AM Subject: Re: Used or refurb 600 reliable source?Not Intellesale/DataPath Technologies/Flavor of the Month... > I believe Intellesale was also known as DataPath Technologies recently -- > and they are a very questionable source for reliable equipment from my > experiences....you can do better... > > -Denis Hall, Michigan > > > >A warning about Intellesale or whatever they call themselves now. > > > >I'm not sure they can deal with paperwork very well. I bought two IBM > >Aptiva's for my kids last November, paid upfront. We got the units, > >but on had a dead disk so they couldn't have tested them as they > >said they did. That was fixed at the local repair center. > > > >They've been running just fine for about eight months, and then we > >get a bill for the units, saying "LATE -- OVERDUE". To their credit, > >the woman in the accounting department did figure it out, and did > >send me an updated sales sheet saying we'd paid in full, but I did > >have to force them to look at things. They clearly forgot they'd > >ever received money for me. > > > >With an experience like that, I'm note sure I can recommend them > >to others. > > > >--STeve Andre' > > > >At 07:53 AM 9/10/00 -0500, Chris Schumann wrote: > >>I have purchased from Intellesale before they changed their name. > >>I found their products to be NO more than advertised, and sometimes > >>barely that. I had to hound their service department for weeks, > >>including writing an actual letter that went unanswered. > >> > >>They will probably deliver on their promises, but you may have to > >>keep them honest. If you want specific features, be sure to get an > >>exact model number and check the item thoroughly once it arrives > >>(but that makes sense for any purchase). > >> > >> > but at least you're buying from a reputable company:-) Other dealers > >> > who always show up when > >> > I'm looking for refurbed or clearance ThinkPads are starlex.com and > >> > intellesale.com; I can't vouch for > >> > either. You can also ask Bill Morrow. > > > > From cph Sun Sep 10 21:31:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA03430 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:31:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03213; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:30:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:29:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03043; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:29:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03030; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:29:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:29:11 -0400 Received: from 560x (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA27982; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:29:06 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003f01c01c58$d7f60be0$c362183f@560x> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Bilbo Baggins" , References: <01C01B2B.924F7B40.lingenfr@erols.com> Subject: Re: DVD card w/ 600 and 600E? Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:29:01 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Whether you need a cad or not depends on (a) processor speed, (b) video chipset, and (c) software used. The ATI chipset has some hardware acceleration built in, and with the right software (e.g., any of the packages built on the cinemaster engine) it can play fine even with a 250mhz processor. For other video chipsets that IBM uses you will need much more computing power, or a decoder card (which, unfortunately, locks you into one choice for software). - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bilbo Baggins To: Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 7:32 AM Subject: DVD card w/ 600 and 600E? > Hi, > > Like a dummy, I bought a 600 and a DVD drive before reading that you need > an MPEG decoder to make it work properly. I imagine that I will upgrade to > a 600E in the near future. With this in mind, I am wondering if it is > worthwhile to get one of the Margi DVD-to-Go cards or not. Is the > performance of the 600E so much better that the card is completely > unnecessary or is the card still worthwhile. If the 600E is completely > capable of good playback, I would thing that the only other advantage of > the card would be the possibility of DVD in a window while still doing > other tasks. Any experience is of interest. Thanks. > > Rusty > > From cph Sun Sep 10 21:52:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA03549 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:52:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04501; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:51:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:50:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04360; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:50:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04347; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:50:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:50:05 -0400 Received: from 560x (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA28126 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 15:50:02 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <005101c01c5b$c4523f20$c362183f@560x> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad List" References: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <034101c01b4d$cad592c0$0201a8c0@ameritech.net> Subject: Re: [TP560] Which OS for 560X? (MS only, alas/please:-) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:49:56 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to all for the advice. I was of course well aware of the *general* pros and cons between the operating systems (stability for NT etc), I was hoping for some specific advice (for example, how good/annoying the drivers for the different OSes are on this machine). In the event, I decided to put on W95 OSR2, since this is the system I know best (I have it on 2 other machines), even though I know from experience that even with the USB supplement installed the USB port won't work on many/most devices. Perhaps after ME is out for a while I will upgrade. Ran into some interesting hitches on installation; for example, cardbus/pcmcia and the USB port wouldn't install correctly; turns out I needed special patches from IBM (*before* one installs W95 for the cardbus part). I also couldn't get direct cable connection to work on the new machine until I could monkey with the ports with TP utilities - no problem, except that to install TP utilities I needed to get the installation file (which is too big for a floppy) from my old machine to the new. IBM should really think about distributing driver and utility files like this in floppy-sized chunks! (Fortunately, I have a pcmcia external HD, with which I could transfer big files - once I got the pcmcia port working, that is:-) The best thing about the whole experience is that I've now learned how to use the IBM pcmcia CD-ROM on a ThinkPad under DOS, something I was never able to figure out before. Necessity begets invention and all that. Anyway, all is working for the nonce. I'd like to put in a plug for the guy that sold me this machine: sei.inc@techhead2.com , who does business as GDGS Inc. It cost $450 (this was on ebay), the machine came shrink-wrapped in like-new condition, and it was sent the day I paid him. Thanks again, David R. From cph Sun Sep 10 22:52:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA03899 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:52:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16374; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:49:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16033; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:49:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15421; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:44:29 -0400 Received: from user-38lcpmo.dialup.mindspring.com (user-38lcpmo.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.102.216]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA09429; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:44:20 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009110244.WAA09429@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "David Ross" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:52:26 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <005101c01c5b$c4523f20$c362183f@560x> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP560] Which OS for 560X? (MS only, alas/please:-) List-Unsubscribe: PKzip will span diskettes. On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:49:56 -1000, David Ross wrote: >(Fortunately, I have a pcmcia external HD, with which I could transfer big >files - once I got the pcmcia port working, that is:-) From cph Sun Sep 10 23:44:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA04181 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:44:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27516; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:44:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:42:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27227; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27213; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:42:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:42:14 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-44.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.197]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id DAA24263; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 03:42:09 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "David Ross" , "Bilbo Baggins" , Subject: RE: DVD card w/ 600 and 600E? Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:45:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003f01c01c58$d7f60be0$c362183f@560x> List-Unsubscribe: Hence the need for the Margi card in the 600 and it's utility in the 600E, they are all built on the Neomagic graphic chipset. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: David Ross [mailto:ross@math.hawaii.edu] > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 8:29 PM > To: Bilbo Baggins; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: DVD card w/ 600 and 600E? > > > Whether you need a cad or not depends on (a) processor speed, (b) video > chipset, and (c) software used. The ATI chipset > has some hardware acceleration built in, and with the right software (e.g., > any of the packages built on the cinemaster engine) it can play fine even > with a 250mhz processor. For other video chipsets that IBM uses you will > need much more computing power, or a decoder card (which, unfortunately, > locks you into one choice for software). > > - David R. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bilbo Baggins > To: > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 7:32 AM > Subject: DVD card w/ 600 and 600E? > > > > Hi, > > > > Like a dummy, I bought a 600 and a DVD drive before reading that you need > > an MPEG decoder to make it work properly. I imagine that I will upgrade to > > a 600E in the near future. With this in mind, I am wondering if it is > > worthwhile to get one of the Margi DVD-to-Go cards or not. Is the > > performance of the 600E so much better that the card is completely > > unnecessary or is the card still worthwhile. If the 600E is completely > > capable of good playback, I would thing that the only other advantage of > > the card would be the possibility of DVD in a window while still doing > > other tasks. Any experience is of interest. Thanks. > > > > Rusty > > > > From cph Mon Sep 11 00:00:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA04266 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:00:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29504; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:59:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:56:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28931; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:56:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28918; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:55:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:55:57 -0400 Received: from 560x (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA28442 for ; Sun, 10 Sep 2000 17:55:52 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002201c01c6d$580c7bc0$168d273f@560x> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad List" References: <200009110244.WAA09429@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> Subject: [TPall] IBM's driver distrubutions (was: Re: [TP560] Which OS for 560X? (MS only, alas/please:-)) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:55:47 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 List-Unsubscribe: Me: "IBM should really think about distributing driver and utility files like this in floppy-sized chunks!" Allan: "PKzip will span diskettes." (Somebody - thanks JT! - also emailed me to suggest IBM's chopper.exe utility, which I did in fact later run across.) True enough, but rather than have every single owner go through the process of splitting like this, surely it makes sense to do it *once* at IBM's end (especially for files which need to be on the installation drive *before* W95's installation begins). What if they were downloaded on a Mac or a Sun? Then neither chopper nor pkzip can be used. They could offer it in both forms on the web page. Just my 2 cents. - David R. From cph Mon Sep 11 00:12:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA04372 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:12:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00708; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:10:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00546; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:10:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00531; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (209.187.11.98 -> nyc-28-h-98.nyc.dsl.cerfnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:10:31 -0400 Received: from miles ([192.168.1.2]) by coppi.networktest.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA32399; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:15:47 -0500 From: "David Newman" To: , Subject: RE: tp600 Battery deal Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 23:51:41 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <39BBC609.16405.4D035BD@localhost> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: > Egghead has new ThinkPad 600 batteries for $89 > http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00000325/03269353.htm > > Just bought one.... The battery pictured there is NOT for the 600. Then again, it may be a placeholder. Please let us know what they send you. Thanks. dn From cph Mon Sep 11 00:24:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA04451 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:24:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01813; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:23:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:22:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01570; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA01557; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.102 -> pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:21:57 -0400 Received: from CHUCK (adsl-63-198-207-46.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.207.46]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8B4Ltj117800 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:21:55 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 21:21:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: tp600 Battery deal Reply-to: chuck@ccncn.org Message-ID: <39BBFB70.17168.197272@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <39BBC609.16405.4D035BD@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: On 10 Sep 2000, at 23:51, David Newman wrote: > > > Egghead has new ThinkPad 600 batteries for $89 > > http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00000325/03269353.htm > > > > Just bought one.... > > The battery pictured there is NOT for the 600. Then again, it may be a > placeholder. Please let us know what they send you. You're right, but the part number on Egghead matched the part number on IBM's website. So I hope it's a placeholder too! Chuck Blaisdell From cph Mon Sep 11 00:26:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA04462 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:26:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02282; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:24:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02127; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:24:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02097; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:24:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:24:24 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-44.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.197]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id EAA31637; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:24:21 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , Subject: RE: tp600 Battery deal Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 00:27:26 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39BBC609.16405.4D035BD@localhost> List-Unsubscribe: I hate to be the one to tell you this Chuck, but that battery shown at the URL you gave us doesn't look ANYTHING like any of my TP600 batteries! I hope it's just a case of not having the correct picture available. The part number they list for it (12J246) is ALMOST the right number of 12J2464. Still, it overcomes all of the caveats normally encountered when dealing with Egghead. The units are new and the warranty is 1 year from IBM, not some unknown wholesaler. Very tempting. The $9.80 in shipping is an ouch though. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Chuck Blaisdell [mailto:cblaisd@tdl.com] > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 7:34 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: tp600 Battery deal > > > Egghead has new ThinkPad 600 batteries for $89 > http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00000325/03269353.htm > > Just bought one.... From cph Mon Sep 11 01:21:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA04771 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:21:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA05391; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:17:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04927; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:17:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04914; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:17:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout1-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.77 -> pimout1-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:17:29 -0400 Received: from CHUCK (adsl-63-198-207-46.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.207.46]) by pimout1-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8B5HRp106934 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 01:17:28 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:17:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: tp600 Battery deal Reply-to: chuck@ccncn.org Message-ID: <39BC0875.23836.4C4D82@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: References: <39BBC609.16405.4D035BD@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: On 11 Sep 2000, at 0:27, James H. E. Maugham wrote: > I hate to be the one to tell you this Chuck, but that battery shown at the URL > you gave us doesn't look ANYTHING like any of my TP600 batteries! I know I assumed it was Egghead's usual attention to graphics. > > I hope it's just a case of not having the correct picture available. The part > number they list for it (12J246) is ALMOST the right number of 12J2464. Yup. > > Still, it overcomes all of the caveats normally encountered when dealing with > Egghead. That was what I thought, since most of 600 batts seem to be over $200. > The units are new and the warranty is 1 year from IBM, not some >unknown > wholesaler. Agreed. > > Very tempting. The $9.80 in shipping is an ouch though. FYI, if you put in the code FUSA1 in the coupon/code area, you can get 5% off. I'll let folks know what actually shows up.... Chuck Blaisdell From cph Mon Sep 11 04:20:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA05513 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:20:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14782; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:17:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14642; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA14629; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 04:17:56 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA27046; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:17:53 +0100 (BST) Received: from harstonmail.generics.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA06055; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:17:52 +0100 (BST) Received: by HARSTONMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:19:53 +0100 Message-ID: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D29E8657D@HARSTONMAIL> From: "Quantrill, Adam" To: "'David Ross'" , ThinkPad List Subject: RE: [TPall] IBM's driver distrubutions (was: Re: [TP560] Which OS for 560X? (MS only, alas/please:-)) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:19:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: If you were on a Sun you could use 'dd' to do the chopping. - Adam -----Original Message----- From: David Ross [mailto:ross@math.hawaii.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:56 AM To: ThinkPad List Subject: [TPall] IBM's driver distrubutions (was: Re: [TP560] Which OS for 560X? (MS only, alas/please:-)) Me: "IBM should really think about distributing driver and utility files like this in floppy-sized chunks!" Allan: "PKzip will span diskettes." (Somebody - thanks JT! - also emailed me to suggest IBM's chopper.exe utility, which I did in fact later run across.) True enough, but rather than have every single owner go through the process of splitting like this, surely it makes sense to do it *once* at IBM's end (especially for files which need to be on the installation drive *before* W95's installation begins). What if they were downloaded on a Mac or a Sun? Then neither chopper nor pkzip can be used. They could offer it in both forms on the web page. Just my 2 cents. - David R. From cph Mon Sep 11 05:34:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA05790 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:34:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22956; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:31:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22795; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22782; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:31:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (149.174.206.139 -> ds-img-6.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:31:48 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaaf.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id FAA18197 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 05:30:56 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: IBM PCMCIA CD units? Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200009110531_MC2-B2DF-70DB@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA05791 Does anyone have one for sale or know where those IBM PCMCIA CD units can be picked up inexpensively right now? There have been threads on these in the past... Thanks Mark From cph Mon Sep 11 06:21:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA05951 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:21:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26568; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:17:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26339; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26326; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.60 -> smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:17:57 -0400 Received: from 216-164-128-39.s39.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.128.39] helo=bilbobag) by smtp01.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13YQey-0003t5-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:17:56 -0400 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:15:16 -0400 Message-ID: <01C01BB7.A7843B40.lingenfr@erols.com> From: Bilbo Baggins To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Thinkpad Stuff FS on Ebay Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 06:15:08 -0400 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: In order to fund more TP600 toys, I am auctioning off some of my old toys to the highest bidder. Help fund my habit and get some pieces you need. I will list a few more pieces next week and then get back into purchase mode. Thanks. Rusty Thinkpad 701 Users Guide http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=430961759 Thinkpad 701 Modem Guide http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=430968902 Parallel cable for Thinkpad 701 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=430987914 Multiport II for Thinkpad 701 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=431001471 IBM Dock II with IBM CD, Display Shelf and 701 Adapter http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=431023451 IBM floppy for 360/750/755/760/765 and Dock II http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=431048455 IBM Thinkpad 701CS, 133Mhz, 40MB, 1GB **LOADED** http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=434724950 IBM Thinkpad 701C, 75Mhz, 16MB for parts or repair http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=434741012 Hypercharger for IBM Thinkpad 701 C/CS Batteries http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=434753457 From cph Mon Sep 11 09:06:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA06923 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:06:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05028; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:03:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04865; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cssun.mathcs.emory.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04849; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cssun.mathcs.emory.edu (170.140.150.1 -> cssun.mathcs.emory.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:03:53 -0400 Received: (from vss@localhost) by cssun.mathcs.emory.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) id JAA19211 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:03:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Vaidy Sunderam Message-Id: <200009111303.JAA19211@cssun.mathcs.emory.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Very slow 600x boot List-Unsubscribe: I noticed that my 600X (600Mhz, 192MB) boots very very slowly. It takes about 70 seconds for the Lilo prompt (which I presume is all the Bios stuff) to come up. If I boot into W98SE, of course that OS takes an extra 2 minutes or so. Is this normal? I seem to recall my 560 and 760's booting faster. Thanks for any comments. Vaidy Sunderam From cph Mon Sep 11 09:11:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA06953 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:11:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05778; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:09:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05488; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:09:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05472; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:09:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:09:32 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-28.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.28]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA29588 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:09:29 +0300 Message-Id: <200009111309.QAA29588@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:09:27 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP570 floppy cable X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: Hi, Does the 570 use the same floppy cable as the 560/600/770? If anyone has an extra floppy cable for the 560/600, I'd be interested to buy it. I can also trade it against any of the following: 1) TP701 floppy cable, 2) TP701 power supply, 3) ThinkPad bare external floppy drive (works with 701/560/600 and probably many others), I have several of these and only need one. Cheers, Dominique From cph Mon Sep 11 09:13:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA06968 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:13:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06344; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:12:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:11:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05867; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA05834; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtppop2.gte.net (206.46.170.21 -> smtppop2pub.gte.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:11:23 -0400 Received: from w2000 (cable15-175.gte.net [24.96.44.175]) by smtppop2.gte.net with SMTP for ; id IAA23204024 Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:09:10 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: From: "Bob Flowers" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: 760XL-Load from CD Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:11:25 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: 760XL, need to either boot from CD, or floppy to load cd (hot swap) to load new software, (Milennium, W2000, Linux), do not have EXTERNAL floppy, only internal. Ideas?? From cph Mon Sep 11 09:28:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA07087 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:28:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07830; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:26:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07642; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07629; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mosquito.ny.ans.net (147.225.174.39 -> dhcp29.ntaa.aa.ans.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:26:01 -0400 Received: from localhost by mosquito.ny.ans.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA01035 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:25:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: mosquito.ny.ans.net: bkomar owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:25:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Komar X-Sender: bkomar@mosquito.ny.ans.net To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Modem for 365XD In-Reply-To: <20000908200158.A1299@math.polytechnique.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: My son just got a 365XD with a 14.4 modem. He'd like to get a faster one. Does anyone have any suggestions where he might find reasonable prices on something faster? Thanks, Bruce Komar From cph Mon Sep 11 09:45:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA07251 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:45:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09929; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:41:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09405; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:41:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09392; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:41:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:41:29 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-23.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.128]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA06502; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:41:26 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: 760XL-Load from CD Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:44:37 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: The original boot diskette that came with the 760XL recovery CD allows for hot swapping the floppy and CD. The disk image should be on the recovery CD if you still have it or on the 760XL driver site http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3SBNHE.html If you can't find it anywhere I could send you a copy of the bootdisk. You can also check www.bootdisk.com for generic bootdisks that allow hot/warm swapping. HTH, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Flowers [mailto:Guru.Uno@gte.net] > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 8:11 AM > To: Thinkpad > Subject: 760XL-Load from CD > > > 760XL, need to either boot from CD, or floppy to load cd (hot swap) to load > new software, (Milennium, W2000, Linux), do not have EXTERNAL floppy, only > internal. Ideas?? From cph Mon Sep 11 09:46:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA07255 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:46:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10360; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:43:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09612; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09557; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:43:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:43:07 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-23.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.128]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA07103; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:43:03 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Bruce Komar" , Subject: RE: Modem for 365XD Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:46:14 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: 56K V90 PCMCIA modems are widely available for less than $40. Check eBay or similar. HTH, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruce Komar [mailto:bkomar@ans.net] > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 8:25 AM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Modem for 365XD > > > My son just got a 365XD with a 14.4 modem. He'd like to get a faster one. > Does anyone have any suggestions where he might find reasonable prices > on something faster? > > Thanks, > Bruce Komar > > > From cph Mon Sep 11 10:29:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA07612 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:29:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14920; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:26:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14637; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:26:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14549; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:26:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (195.170.0.2 -> ns1.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 10:26:26 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-e211.otenet.gr [212.205.247.211]) by ns1.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8BEQAa05568 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:26:11 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009111426.e8BEQAa05568@ns1.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 17:24:50 -0100 (EET) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <200009111303.JAA19211@cssun.mathcs.emory.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: Very slow 600x boot List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id KAA14920 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA07613 On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:03:52 -0400 (EDT), Vaidy Sunderam wrote: >I noticed that my 600X (600Mhz, 192MB) boots very very slowly. It >takes about 70 seconds for the Lilo prompt (which I presume is >all the Bios stuff) to come up. If I boot into W98SE, of course >that OS takes an extra 2 minutes or so. I haven't used a 600X, but my 600E (366mhz, 64mb) reaches the bootmanager in about 10 to 15 seconds. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Mon Sep 11 11:32:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA08157 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:32:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21273; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:29:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20864; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:29:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0v.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20850; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:29:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0v.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.51 -> www0v.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 11:29:18 -0400 Received: (qmail 22421 invoked by uid 60001); 11 Sep 2000 15:29:16 -0000 Message-ID: <20000911152916.22420.qmail@www0v.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.51 by www0v for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Mon Sep 11 15:29:16 GMT 2000 Date: 11 Sep 00 10:29:16 CDT From: Rob Bell To: "thinkpad" Subject: Re: Very slow 600x boot X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA08158 I have a very similar machine (600X with 192MB, 500MHz) and it doesn't take very long with either Windows 2000 or Windows 98 to boot up. The full bootup time for Windows 2000 is maybe a minute and a half, but the desktop appears after just over a minute (I have a lot of stuff loading at startup). The IBM logo page that shows up right after powering transitions to Windows 2000 boot screen in about 15 sec. Try removing any additional hardware (PC Cards, docking station, mouse, etc.) and see if the time shrinks. If that doesn't change anything, then pop out your extra RAM and try that. Maybe you have a bad RAM chip? HTH, Rob "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" wrote: > On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:03:52 -0400 (EDT), Vaidy Sunderam wrote: > > >I noticed that my 600X (600Mhz, 192MB) boots very very slowly. It > >takes about 70 seconds for the Lilo prompt (which I presume is > >all the Bios stuff) to come up. If I boot into W98SE, of course > >that OS takes an extra 2 minutes or so. > > I haven't used a 600X, but my 600E (366mhz, 64mb) reaches the bootmanager > in about 10 to 15 seconds. ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Mon Sep 11 12:29:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA08705 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:29:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27598; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:26:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:24:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27405; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27389; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.236.116 -> oe12.law7.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:24:31 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:24:30 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.148.73.220] From: "Mark" To: "Rob Bell" , "thinkpad" References: <20000911152916.22420.qmail@www0v.netaddress.usa.net> Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:23:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2000 16:24:30.0158 (UTC) FILETIME=[C2E88EE0:01C01C0C] List-Unsubscribe: UNSUBSCRIBE From cph Mon Sep 11 12:45:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA08880 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:45:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00073; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:43:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:41:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29585; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29565; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 12:41:14 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.201] (helo=139-142-112-201.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13YWd6-000NmA-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:40:24 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TPall] IBM's driver distrubutions Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:49:04 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D29E8657D@HARSTONMAIL> In-Reply-To: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D29E8657D@HARSTONMAIL> Lines: 40 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: The archiving program ARJ has always supported spanning volumes. The free PC Mag utility SLICE will span volumes. It writes a tiny utility SPLICE onto the first object diskette so that the whole thing is, er, self-extracting. Both of those go back over a decade. It wasn't so long ago that IBM distributed all (well, it seemed like all) of their drivers as executable files which would (slowly) create a driver diskette, track by track, all 80 tracks, no matter how tiny the drivers were. I bet they got the odd complaint about that, too! >If you were on a Sun you could use 'dd' to do the chopping. > > - Adam > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Ross [mailto:ross@math.hawaii.edu] >Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:56 AM > >Me: >"IBM should really think about distributing driver and utility files like >this in >floppy-sized chunks!" > >Allan: >"PKzip will span diskettes." > >(Somebody - thanks JT! - also emailed me to suggest IBM's chopper.exe >utility, which I did in fact later run across.) > -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Mon Sep 11 15:52:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA10828 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:52:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17886; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:48:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17621; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17604; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:48:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.clinet.fi (194.100.0.7 -> mail.clinet.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 15:48:44 -0400 Received: from TP560X (255-38.dyn.clinet.fi [194.100.255.38]) by mail.clinet.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA15554 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:48:41 +0300 Message-Id: <200009111948.WAA15554@mail.clinet.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:48:39 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: new ThinkPad X series (ultraportable) X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: Announcement at http://www.ibm.com/news/2000/09/11.phtml From cph Mon Sep 11 16:14:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA11046 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:14:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19961; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:11:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19758; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19745; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:11:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:11:15 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.207]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000911201112.LGNJ8992.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:11:12 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000911160753.00ac5cd0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:07:53 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: new ThinkPad X series (ultraportable) In-Reply-To: <200009111948.WAA15554@mail.clinet.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:48 PM 09/11/2000 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >Announcement at http://www.ibm.com/news/2000/09/11.phtml > I have one inhouse for eval. *Very* nice unit - has the look and feel of a ThinkPad. Head and shoulders above the 240. From cph Mon Sep 11 16:17:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA11122 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:17:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20665; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:14:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20432; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20399; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (216.101.175.230 -> smtp.innovisions.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:14:37 -0400 Received: by mailsf.innoventry.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:10:50 -0700 Message-ID: <818E2295B394D211BF1B0008C709553E0212FFF8@mailsf.innoventry.com> From: Mitchell Yee To: "'Jane Loyless'" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: new ThinkPad X series (ultraportable) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 13:10:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Is it comparable to a 570 or a separate category? -----Original Message----- From: Jane Loyless [mailto:jloyless@netbox.com] Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 1:08 PM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: new ThinkPad X series (ultraportable) At 10:48 PM 09/11/2000 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: >Announcement at http://www.ibm.com/news/2000/09/11.phtml > I have one inhouse for eval. *Very* nice unit - has the look and feel of a ThinkPad. Head and shoulders above the 240. From cph Mon Sep 11 16:35:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA11573 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:35:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22980; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:34:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:32:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22688; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22675; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:32:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:32:50 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.207]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000911203248.LPXK8992.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:32:48 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000911162930.00b5cad0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:29:30 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: new ThinkPad X series (ultraportable) In-Reply-To: <818E2295B394D211BF1B0008C709553E0212FFF8@mailsf.innoventry .com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:10 PM 09/11/2000 -0700, Mitchell Yee wrote: >Is it comparable to a 570 or a separate category? > It's the follow-on product for the 570 and 240 series (my chart shows a solid line from the 570 to the X20 and a dotted line to the T20, so I guess that means It Depends). It's about the size of the 240 and can use an (optional, I think) UltraBase like the 570 tray thing. It will also use the same docking solutions as the A and T series whether it's in the UltraBase or naked. Typical TP keyboard, bright screen although 12.1" feels a little small compared to my TP600's 13.3". Very sturdy feel - I always thought the 240 had a cheap feel to it. The peachskin paint is back on the palm rest. 128MB. The one I have has an 18GB HDD, but it's a pre-production unit. I see that the specs say 20GB for the higher-end production units. I like it. Haven't loaded NT40 on it yet to see how it likes it yet unless my co-worker got to it today (I'm out of the office). Do I like it enough to swap my 600 for it? Hard to say. I've *really* loved my 600, but the lighter weight would be nice. Verbosely, Jane From cph Mon Sep 11 16:38:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA11604 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:38:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23567; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:36:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23337; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:36:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23308; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:36:00 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.207]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000911203558.LRCL8992.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:35:58 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000911163240.00996c80@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:32:40 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: TABook Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: By the way, it looks like the X20 has already been added to tabook according to the web site. ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf From cph Mon Sep 11 16:45:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA11758 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:45:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24626; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:42:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24397; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24384; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:42:22 -0400 Received: from 209-122-224-225.s479.tnt3.nyw.ny.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.224.225] helo=richard) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13YaPF-0000ED-00; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:42:21 -0400 Message-Id: <4.2.2.20000911164000.01324670@pop.rcn.com> X-Sender: rpritz@pop.rcn.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.2 Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:40:54 -0400 To: Jane Loyless From: richard Subject: Re: new ThinkPad X series (ultraportable) Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000911160753.00ac5cd0@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> References: <200009111948.WAA15554@mail.clinet.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: What resolution is the display? How does the display compare to the 13" on a 600 or 570? At 04:07 PM 9/11/2000 -0400, Jane Loyless wrote: >At 10:48 PM 09/11/2000 +0300, Dominique Pivard wrote: > > >Announcement at http://www.ibm.com/news/2000/09/11.phtml > > > >I have one inhouse for eval. *Very* nice unit - has the look and feel of a >ThinkPad. Head and shoulders above the 240. From cph Mon Sep 11 16:51:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA11847 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:51:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25968; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:48:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25449; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:48:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25430; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:48:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:48:47 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.207]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000911204845.LWVZ8992.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 20:48:45 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000911164527.00ab2eb0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:45:27 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: new ThinkPad X series (ultraportable) In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20000911164000.01324670@pop.rcn.com> References: <3.0.1.32.20000911160753.00ac5cd0@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> <200009111948.WAA15554@mail.clinet.fi> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 04:40 PM 09/11/2000 -0400, richard wrote: >What resolution is the display? How does the display compare to the 13" on >a 600 or 570? > 1024x768 - it's very bright and sharp, but the 12.1" feels a little small compared to my current 13.3" on my 600. I could probably get used to it. From cph Mon Sep 11 18:12:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA13028 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:12:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03096; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:10:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02868; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02855; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:10:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay21.smtp.psi.net (38.8.22.2 -> relay21.smtp.psi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:10:06 -0400 Received: from ntmail.doble.com ([204.215.186.11]) by relay21.smtp.psi.net with esmtp (Exim 3.13 #3) id 13Ybm8-0003Ch-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:10:05 -0400 Received: by NTMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:09:26 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Cottrell, Eric" To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Used IBM Thinkpads Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 18:09:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Hello, I want to replace my 365ED. I am looking at Thinkpads because I know them better and know that I can get drivers, etc. off the web site. I feel comfortable dealing with a Thinkpad. So when I go to the local computer shows I usually see what several vendors get for Thinkpads. As I look at this area it is getting more interesting as the price range between series seems to collapse to almost no difference between models with like processors or actually invert. It seems to be due to the higher series being older machines compared to lower series with similar processors. I noticed several people selling 385XD for about $800 to $900 or 600e for $1300 to $1500. Looking at the models it seems the 770 series is what I want. I do not travel that much so weight and size is not too much of a facter. A laptop with a 233MMX processor seems to be fast enough. I also want to upgrade from a CD to a DVD. It would be nice to get DVD versions of mapping software and eliminate all the CDs. No doubt the faster processor and PCI video will improve the performance of my map software over a 365ED. Plus I would like to be able to encode realaudio or MP3 stream with it for some remote work comming up. One problem is that I do not know how bigger the 770 series is compared to the 365ED. I have seen a 760EL and 760ED, is the 770 as big or bigger? I am starting to save my pennies and maybe I can get a 770e or later. I suppose the longer I wait the cheaper they will get. 73 Eric eac@shore.net WB1HBU From cph Mon Sep 11 19:17:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA13601 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:17:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07368; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:16:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:14:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07144; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07131; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.236.245 -> oe25.law7.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:14:09 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:14:07 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [209.148.73.119] From: "Mark" To: "Cottrell, Eric" , References: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:11:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Sep 2000 23:14:07.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[FC4A68F0:01C01C45] List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph Mon Sep 11 19:39:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA13752 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:39:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09125; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:38:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:36:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08920; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:36:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA08907; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:36:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:36:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA91677; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:40:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 16:40:51 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com To: Mark cc: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Mark: Not only do you need to send a message with the correct subject in order to unsubscribe from this list but you must also send it to the correct e-mail address. Try: TO: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu SUBJECT: unsubscribe -- David Goldman ] On Mon, 11 Sep 2000, Mark wrote: > Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 19:11:57 -0400 > From: Mark > To: "Cottrell, Eric" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: unsubscribe > > unsubscribe > From cph Mon Sep 11 21:50:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA14765 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:50:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17700; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:49:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:46:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17420; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:46:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17407; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:46:30 -0400 Received: from user-37kae0h.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37kae0h.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.56.17]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA12247; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009120146.VAA12247@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Jonathan Berry" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:54:32 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TPall] IBM's driver distrubutions List-Unsubscribe: ziptoexe will turn a *.zip file into an executable. On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 08:49:04 -0800, Jonathan Berry wrote: >The archiving program ARJ has always supported spanning >volumes. > >The free PC Mag utility SLICE will span volumes. It writes a >tiny utility SPLICE onto the first object diskette so that the >whole thing is, er, self-extracting. > >Both of those go back over a decade. > >It wasn't so long ago that IBM distributed all (well, it seemed >like all) of their drivers as executable files which would >(slowly) create a driver diskette, track by track, all 80 >tracks, no matter how tiny the drivers were. I bet they >got the odd complaint about that, too! > >>If you were on a Sun you could use 'dd' to do the chopping. >> >> - Adam >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: David Ross [mailto:ross@math.hawaii.edu] >>Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 4:56 AM >> >>Me: >>"IBM should really think about distributing driver and utility files like >>this in >>floppy-sized chunks!" >> >>Allan: >>"PKzip will span diskettes." >> >>(Somebody - thanks JT! - also emailed me to suggest IBM's chopper.exe >>utility, which I did in fact later run across.) >> > >-- >cheers >Jonathan Berry >http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want > From cph Mon Sep 11 21:53:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA14800 for ; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:53:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17991; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:49:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17676; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:49:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17659; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (207.69.200.110 -> smtp6.mindspring.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:49:09 -0400 Received: from user-37kae0h.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37kae0h.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.56.17]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA17074; Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009120148.VAA17074@smtp6.mindspring.com> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "Guru.Uno@gte.net" , "Thinkpad" Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 21:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 760XL-Load from CD List-Unsubscribe: Is that a recovery CD? If so, is an OS/2 - Win3.1 - DOS CD? I would very much like to find one of those. Mine is the Win95OSR2. On Mon, 11 Sep 2000 09:11:25 -0400, Bob Flowers wrote: >760XL, need to either boot from CD, or floppy to load cd (hot swap) to load >new software, (Milennium, W2000, Linux), do not have EXTERNAL floppy, only >internal. Ideas?? > From cph Tue Sep 12 03:54:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA16490 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:54:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05359; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:48:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04632; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:48:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04619; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (195.170.0.2 -> ns1.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:48:07 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-f177.otenet.gr [212.205.234.177]) by ns1.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8C7m3a10783 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:48:04 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009120748.e8C7m3a10783@ns1.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 05:22:44 -0100 (EET) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: GPS PCMCIA under OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id DAA05359 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA16491 Some time ago there was a dicussion about GPS PCMCIA cards and external GPS devices connected via serial on ThinkPads. The PC Card Socket Services 5.0 for OS/2 lists these GPS PCMCIA cards as tested by IBM. GPS Rockwell Telecommunications NavCard(**) GPS Receiver Socket Communications.Inc PCMCIA Global Positioning System þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Tue Sep 12 03:56:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA16503 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:56:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05754; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:53:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05216; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05203; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:53:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (195.170.0.2 -> ns1.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 03:53:31 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-f177.otenet.gr [212.205.234.177]) by ns1.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8C7rSa11373 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:53:29 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009120753.e8C7rSa11373@ns1.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:52:10 -0100 (EET) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: BeOS List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id DAA05754 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA16504 Has anyone managed to install BeOS on a ThinkPad? I have 4.5 here and it wont then boot from the boot disk or CD to install. When booting, there is a '602' error number on the screen and the boot process move on to boot my OS/2. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Tue Sep 12 04:17:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA16587 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:17:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07618; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:11:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:09:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07392; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:09:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07378; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:09:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.fields.gol.com (203.216.5.132 -> smtp02.fields.gol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:09:54 -0400 Received: from tc-1-139.nagoya.gol.ne.jp ([203.216.106.139]) by smtp02.fields.gol.com with smtp (Magnetic Fields) id 13Yl8P-0006Jk-00; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:09:42 +0900 From: "Stephen A. Carter" To: "ThinkPad list" Cc: "Stephen A. Carter" , "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:15:07 +0900 (JST) Reply-To: "Stephen A. Carter" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 In-Reply-To: <200009120753.e8C7rSa11373@ns1.otenet.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: BeOS Message-Id: List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:52:10 -0100 (EET), Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis wrote: >Has anyone managed to install BeOS on a ThinkPad? > >I have 4.5 here and it wont then boot from the boot disk or CD to install. I had BeOS R4 on a Japanese-market 380XD (2635-8AJ). Sound worked, but not USB or PCMCIA. Haven't tried BeOS R4.5. Specs: 233MHx Pentium MMX CPU (512kB L2 cache) Intel 430TX chipset 96 MB EDO RAM 3.5" 3-mode floppy disk drive 24x bootable internal CD-ROM (IDE) NeoMagic MagicGraph 128XD video chip (2 MB of video RAM) SVGA display (800x600) CS4237B audio chip (SoundBlaster Pro compatible sound system) -- Stephen A. Carter High-Tech Information Center Nagoya, Ltd. mailto:scarter@hticn.com Nagoya, Japan http://www.geekynetstuff.com PGP key ID: 0x59B4F7AD From cph Tue Sep 12 04:18:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA16593 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:18:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08593; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:16:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08266; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:16:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08253; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns1.otenet.gr (195.170.0.2 -> ns1.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 04:16:39 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-f177.otenet.gr [212.205.234.177]) by ns1.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8C8GZa13690 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:16:36 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009120816.e8C8GZa13690@ns1.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 11:15:16 -0100 (EET) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: BeOS List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id EAA08593 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA16594 On Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:15:07 +0900 (JST), Stephen A. Carter wrote: >I had BeOS R4 on a Japanese-market 380XD (2635-8AJ). Sound worked, >but not USB or PCMCIA. Haven't tried BeOS R4.5. ok thanks, i guess it must be some incompatibility with 4.5 and my laptop. þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Tue Sep 12 10:13:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA18213 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:13:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04118; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:06:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03825; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:06:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alto.i-cable.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03798; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:06:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alto.i-cable.com (210.80.60.4 -> alto.i-cable.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:06:25 -0400 Received: from johnnychan (120cm77.hkcable.com.hk [61.10.120.77]) by alto.i-cable.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA01675 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:04:25 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <001a01c01cc2$cc6e7cc0$4d780a3d@icable.com> From: "Johnny Chan" To: Subject: External Microphone Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:07:33 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Which microphone is suitable for my TP 600? I buy a cheap condensor microphone but no response. The IBM website said that I need some microphone with external power, what is it? Johnny From cph Tue Sep 12 10:44:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA18452 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:44:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07210; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:42:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07009; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:41:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06993; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:41:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:41:58 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([12.77.218.236]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000912144156.XJOC2687.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@worldnet.att.net>; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:41:56 +0000 Message-ID: <39BE402A.2229908C@worldnet.att.net> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:39:38 -0400 From: Birger Petterson Reply-To: BirgerPetterson@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-WNS5.0 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnny Chan CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: External Microphone References: <001a01c01cc2$cc6e7cc0$4d780a3d@icable.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Suggest you check out for you info. http://www.speechcontrol.com Birger From cph Tue Sep 12 13:10:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA19765 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:10:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24278; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:06:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23849; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop3.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23833; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:06:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop3.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.3 -> mail.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 13:06:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 11671 invoked by alias); 12 Sep 2000 17:06:44 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 11012 invoked by uid 0); 12 Sep 2000 17:06:33 -0000 Received: from sttl6400gw3poola16.sttl.uswest.net (HELO jmcjr) (63.225.173.16) by mail.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 12 Sep 2000 17:06:33 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000911220745.00916100@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2000 22:07:45 -0700 To: "Cottrell, Eric" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: Not Me Subject: Re: Used IBM Thinkpads In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:09 PM 9/11/2000 -0400, Cottrell, Eric wrote: >Hello, > >I want to replace my 365ED. I am looking at Thinkpads because I know them >better and know >that I can get drivers, etc. off the web site. I feel comfortable dealing >with a Thinkpad. > >So when I go to the local computer shows I usually see what several vendors >get for Thinkpads. >As I look at this area it is getting more interesting as the price range >between series seems >to collapse to almost no difference between models with like processors or >actually invert. >It seems to be due to the higher series being older machines compared to >lower series with >similar processors. I noticed several people selling 385XD for about $800 >to $900 or >600e for $1300 to $1500. The 600E is a really nice machine. I have one. > >Looking at the models it seems the 770 series is what I want. I do not >travel that much >so weight and size is not too much of a facter. A laptop with a 233MMX >processor seems >to be fast enough. I also want to upgrade from a CD to a DVD. It would be >nice to get >DVD versions of mapping software and eliminate all the CDs. There's an even better approach with mapping software. Put everything on your hard drive. Granted you will need a big hard drives but hard drive are getting cheaper each day. I have all of my mapping software on the hard drives on both my 600E and 560X. Very convenient. Very fast. No swapping CDs. This requires just a bit over 4GB of free hard drive space. Street Atlas 7 and Phone Search are on 5 CD-ROMs. AAA Map 'n' Go is 1 CD-ROM. Rand McNalley TripMaker is 1 CD-ROM. You need to allow about 600K for each CD-ROM. Some unconventional installation procedure are required for this set-up to work. If you want to set up your mapping software on a hard drive, post query here and I'll provide detailed instructions. No doubt the >faster processor >and PCI video will improve the performance of my map software over a 365ED. >Plus I would >like to be able to encode realaudio or MP3 stream with it for some remote >work comming up. > >One problem is that I do not know how bigger the 770 series is compared to >the 365ED. >I have seen a 760EL and 760ED, is the 770 as big or bigger? > >I am starting to save my pennies and maybe I can get a 770e or later. I >suppose the longer >I wait the cheaper they will get. > >73 Eric eac@shore.net WB1HBU > > From cph Tue Sep 12 14:53:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA20506 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:53:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04073; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:51:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:48:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03472; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03438; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:48:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:48:00 -0400 Received: from sdwntsrv ([129.37.157.233]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000091218475723903fv02qe>; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 18:47:58 +0000 Message-ID: <009001c01cea$b10d7cb0$6e0a2409@sdwntsrv> Reply-To: "Philippe Hamelin" From: "Philippe Hamelin" To: "ThinkPad" Subject: RE: MPEG-2 decoder for Windows 2000 for 770 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:53:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_008D_01C01CC9.29FBDCB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 List-Unsubscribe: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C01CC9.29FBDCB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To Richard Chalk,=20 Thank you very much. I will try the new drivers as soon as possible. Philippe Hamelin > Philippe, copy ALL the attached files to a floppy, or a suitable = directory on your Hard Drive, and install from there. =20 > See README.TXT. =20 > Regards, > Richard ------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C01CC9.29FBDCB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Thank you very much. I will try the = new drivers=20 as soon as possible.
 
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> Philippe, copy ALL the attached = files to a=20 floppy, or a suitable directory on your Hard Drive, and install from=20 there.
 
> See README.TXT.
 
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------=_NextPart_000_008D_01C01CC9.29FBDCB0-- From cph Tue Sep 12 17:51:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA22072 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:51:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21126; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:46:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:43:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20786; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:43:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9504.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA20758; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9504.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.129.134 -> web9504.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:43:27 -0400 Message-ID: <20000912214325.58626.qmail@web9504.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.104.224.226] by web9504.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:43:25 PDT Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:43:25 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Used IBM Thinkpads To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: There is a program called CD Copier Pro (for windows) >from IMSI that creates virtual CD Rom drives on the hard drive, then lets the image of a CD be stored in them to fool programs that expect to see a real CD. It also has a compression feature to save disk space. I've used it in Windows 98 to create a copy of the Delorme US map CD and on NT4 to store copies of Office 2000 for installation on workstations without any problems. By that I mean no problems with the CD Copier virtual CD's, I can't say the same about Office 2000! --- Not Me wrote: > There's an even better approach with mapping > software. Put everything > on your hard drive. Granted you will need a big hard > drives but hard > drive are getting cheaper each day. > > I have all of my mapping software on the hard drives > on both my 600E > and 560X. Very convenient. Very fast. No swapping > CDs. > > This requires just a bit over 4GB of free hard drive > space. Street > Atlas 7 and Phone Search are on 5 CD-ROMs. AAA Map > 'n' Go is 1 > CD-ROM. Rand McNalley TripMaker is 1 CD-ROM. You > need to allow about > 600K for each CD-ROM. > > Some unconventional installation procedure are > required for this > set-up to work. > > If you want to set up your mapping software on a > hard drive, post > query here and I'll provide detailed instructions. ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ From cph Tue Sep 12 21:22:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA23533 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:22:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06597; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:21:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:18:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06338; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:18:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA06323; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:18:42 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc3a78.bf.sover.net [209.198.115.79]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA28802; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009130118.VAA28802@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc3a78.bf.sover.net [209.198.115.79] 209.198.115.79 Tue, 12 Sep 2000 21:18:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 19:47:05 -0400 To: "Johnny Chan" , In-Reply-To: <001a01c01cc2$cc6e7cc0$4d780a3d@icable.com> Subject: Re: External Microphone X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 List-Unsubscribe: Johnny Chan" said: >Which microphone is suitable for my TP 600? I buy a cheap condensor >microphone but no response. The IBM website said that I need some microphone >with external power, what is it? Some companies such as Andrea make a battery power supply for their microphones. All Thinkpads need external power for microphones. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Sep 12 22:38:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA23931 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:38:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11541; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:34:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11243; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA11225; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:33:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:33:57 -0400 Received: from 209-122-243-59.s59.tnt1.hlb.nj.dialup.rcn.com ([209.122.243.59] helo=ppro) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13Z2Mn-0001xR-00; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:33:41 -0400 Received: by ppro (VPOP3) with SMTP; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:32:42 -0400 Message-ID: <052301c01d2a$d4d42a00$0d00a8c0@dec5200> From: "R Briganti" To: , "Johnny Chan" , References: <200009130118.VAA28802@pike.sover.net> Subject: Re: External Microphone Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:32:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Server: VPOP3 V1.2.0b - Registered to: Belle Mead Claims List-Unsubscribe: Or use a USB pod, which I find the best way to use a microphone with a ThinkPad for voice recognition. Plug the microphone into the pod, the pod into the USB bus and voilla! great VR. If all you want to do is sing-a-long, then the power supply is enough. The pod is ~$50 for a full duplex (mike and earphone) version. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: "Johnny Chan" ; Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 19:47 Subject: Re: External Microphone > Johnny Chan" said: > > >Which microphone is suitable for my TP 600? I buy a cheap condensor > >microphone but no response. The IBM website said that I need some microphone > >with external power, what is it? > > Some companies such as Andrea make a battery power supply for their > microphones. All Thinkpads need external power for microphones. > > > > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > letoured@sover.net > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > From cph Tue Sep 12 22:49:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA23998 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:49:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12656; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:47:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12513; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12500; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:47:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:47:01 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a293.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.103]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA05042 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009130246.WAA05042@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a293.bf.sover.net [209.198.116.103] 209.198.116.103 Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:46:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 22:44:07 -0400 To: In-Reply-To: <052301c01d2a$d4d42a00$0d00a8c0@dec5200> Subject: Re: External Microphone X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 List-Unsubscribe: In <052301c01d2a$d4d42a00$0d00a8c0@dec5200>, on 09/12/00 at 10:32 PM, "R Briganti" said: >Or use a USB pod, which I find the best way to use a microphone with a >ThinkPad for voice recognition. Plug the microphone into the pod, the pod >into the USB bus and voilla! great VR. If all you want to do is sing-a-long, >then the power supply is enough. >The pod is ~$50 for a full duplex (mike and earphone) version. That depends on the operating system and other user considerations. One is simply that the battery box cost ranges from free to the asking to $10. >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: "Johnny Chan" ; Sent: >Tuesday, September 12, 2000 19:47 >Subject: Re: External Microphone >> Johnny Chan" said: >> >> >Which microphone is suitable for my TP 600? I buy a cheap condensor >> >microphone but no response. The IBM website said that I need some >microphone >> >with external power, what is it? >> >> Some companies such as Andrea make a battery power supply for their >> microphones. All Thinkpads need external power for microphones. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> letoured@sover.net >> ----------------------------------------------------------- >> >> -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Sep 12 23:20:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA24180 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:20:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14930; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:19:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:18:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14769; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:18:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14756; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:18:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from research.neu.edu (129.10.1.80 -> research.neu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:18:02 -0400 Received: from host ([129.10.52.127]) by research.neu.edu with ESMTP id XAA21137 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:17:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000912142710.020d2460@free-music.com> X-Sender: X-Mailer: Ken's Useful eMail Suite v5.1 Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:29:30 -0400 To: Thinkpad list From: Ken Subject: Re: [TP770ED] Modem (IFSMGR) keeps crashing, Win95-Resolved In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000906165501.02e0ef00@free-music.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Probable resolution: I upgraded my system to Winsock2 (obtained from Microsoft's site) about 6 days ago, and I haven't had either error come back, so far. - Ken At 05:13 PM 9/6/00 -0400, Ken wrote: >I'm running Win95 OSR2 on a Thinkpad 770ED. > >I have a persistent problem when connected to the internet via Dial Up Networking. At some point during my session (maybe after a couple of hours, maybe within the first 2 minutes), when an application makes an attempt to connect to something (maybe for the first time, maybe for the 90th time), I'll get a blue screen, with the following error: > >"An exception 0E has occurred at 0028: C0027092 in VxD IFSMGR(01)+000038FE. This was called from 0028:c10435c0 in VxD PPPMAC(01)+00004610. It may be possible to continue working." > > From that point on, no application can access the modem until I reboot the machine. Sometimes the application that made the attempt immediately closes. > >PPPMAC.VXD: Version 4.00.953, 8/24/96 >IFSMGR.VXD: Version 4.00.1111 8/24/96 > >Does anyone know where to start tracking down the source of this problem? Would I benefit from updating these drivers from somewhere? > >I'm not sure if it's related, but I've been having a problem on startup lately: I get "Starting Windows 95", the audio driver loads, "Hibernation file already present," and then, within a few seconds, the screen goes completely blank and the computer restarts. I have to try a few times until this doesn't happen, and the OS loads completely without a sudden restart. From cph Tue Sep 12 23:45:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA24322 for ; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:45:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16622; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:43:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16395; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA16381; Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:43:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.58 -> mail8.wlv.netzero.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 12 Sep 2000 23:43:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 14764 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2000 03:42:48 -0000 Received: from ip221.tucson14.az.pub-ip.psi.net (HELO netzero.net) (38.29.181.221) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 13 Sep 2000 03:42:48 -0000 Message-ID: <39BEF5DD.98CC90B@netzero.net> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 20:34:53 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: letoured@sover.net CC: Johnny Chan , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: External Microphone References: <200009130118.VAA28802@pike.sover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Andrea Electronics also sells the adapter T-100 that allows to power their microphones without an external battery, but using the internal power supply of those Thinkpad models whose microphone jack has a metallic ring. Such arrangement works fine with the TP770. letoured@sover.net wrote: > > Johnny Chan" said: > > >Which microphone is suitable for my TP 600? I buy a cheap condensor > >microphone but no response. The IBM website said that I need some microphone > >with external power, what is it? > > Some companies such as Andrea make a battery power supply for their > microphones. All Thinkpads need external power for microphones. > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > letoured@sover.net > ----------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Wed Sep 13 03:22:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA25417 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:22:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA26115; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:19:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:17:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25817; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:17:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alto.i-cable.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25798; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:17:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alto.i-cable.com (210.80.60.4 -> alto.i-cable.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 03:17:07 -0400 Received: from johnnychan (120cm77.hkcable.com.hk [61.10.120.77]) by alto.i-cable.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA00426; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:14:35 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <001f01c01d52$b6fe0b40$4d780a3d@icable.com> From: "Johnny Chan" To: , Cc: References: <200009130118.VAA28802@pike.sover.net> <39BEF5DD.98CC90B@netzero.net> Subject: Re: External Microphone Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:17:40 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Thank you very much. Now I know it is nothing wrong to my microphone. I check from the http://www.speechcontrol.com and their ThinkPad Adapter is what I need, and I know the microphone jack on my ThinkPad 600 has a metallic ring as well. Do you think this kind of adapter is difficult to find? I live in Hong Kong and I will check my local store to see if they have this kind of adapter first. ----- Original Message ----- From: Juan-Carlos Lerman To: Cc: Johnny Chan ; Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:34 AM Subject: Re: External Microphone > Andrea Electronics also sells the adapter T-100 that > allows to power their microphones without an external > battery, but using the internal power supply of those > Thinkpad models whose microphone jack has a metallic > ring. Such arrangement works fine with the TP770. > > letoured@sover.net wrote: > > > > Johnny Chan" said: > > > > >Which microphone is suitable for my TP 600? I buy a cheap condensor > > >microphone but no response. The IBM website said that I need some microphone > > >with external power, what is it? > > > > Some companies such as Andrea make a battery power supply for their > > microphones. All Thinkpads need external power for microphones. > > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > letoured@sover.net > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Why pay for something you could get for free? > NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > From cph Wed Sep 13 10:12:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA27499 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:12:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03451; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:07:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02872; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:07:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02858; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.241 -> mta5.snfc21.pbi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:07:50 -0400 Received: from postoffice.pacbell.net ([216.101.191.49]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G0T0025YWJVFN@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:06:01 -0700 From: Gerry Subject: Re: Used IBM Thinkpads To: Not Me Cc: "Cottrell, Eric" , "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" , "Socco Gerry (ABS-CBNI)" Reply-to: gerka@pacbell.net Message-id: <39BF89C9.96098792@postoffice.pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-PBI-NC404 (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <3.0.5.32.20000911220745.00916100@pop.goamerica.net> List-Unsubscribe: I have a TP 600 loaded with Win 2000. I'd like to uninstall win2000 and install win 98. Unfortunately, I cannot find my TP 600 Recovery disk and floppy (due to a move!). However, I still have my TP 385 Recovery cd & floppy. Can I use this instead? Is there another way of doing it? gerry sf From cph Wed Sep 13 10:27:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA27608 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:27:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05782; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:24:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05178; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05140; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:24:20 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-35.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.188]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA05699; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:24:11 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: Cc: Subject: RE: Used IBM Thinkpads Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:27:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <39BF89C9.96098792@postoffice.pacbell.net> List-Unsubscribe: Call IBM and they'll send you another CD and boot disk provided your machine came with W98 originally. Do NOT use the 385 recovery CD. Regards, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Gerry [mailto:gerka@pacbell.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 9:06 AM > To: Not Me > Cc: Cottrell, Eric; 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'; Socco Gerry (ABS-CBNI) > Subject: Re: Used IBM Thinkpads > > > I have a TP 600 loaded with Win 2000. I'd like to uninstall win2000 and > install win 98. Unfortunately, I cannot find my TP 600 Recovery disk and > floppy (due to a move!). > > However, I still have my TP 385 Recovery cd & floppy. Can I use this > instead? Is there another way of doing it? > > gerry > sf From cph Wed Sep 13 10:27:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA27604 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:27:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05683; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:26:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:24:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05109; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:24:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05093; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from athserv.otenet.gr (195.170.0.1 -> athserv.otenet.gr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:24:12 -0400 Received: from thinkpad (athe530-e067.otenet.gr [212.205.247.67]) by athserv.otenet.gr (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8DEMR012058 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:22:28 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009131422.e8DEMR012058@athserv.otenet.gr> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:21:07 -0100 (EET) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: new video driver for OS/2 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id KAA05683 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id KAA27605 Hey/2 There is a new video driver for OS/2: ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/vftpros2.exe ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/vftpros2.txt Supported chipsets: - ThinkPad 380, 380D, 380XD, 380Z - ThinkPad 385XD - ThinkPad 560X, 560Z - ThinkPad 600, 600E, 600X þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Wed Sep 13 10:47:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA27808 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:47:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08746; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:46:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:44:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08501; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:44:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08470; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:44:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail8.wlv.netzero.net (209.247.163.58 -> mail8.wlv.netzero.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 10:44:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 17620 invoked from network); 13 Sep 2000 14:44:40 -0000 Received: from ip36.tucson14.az.pub-ip.psi.net (HELO netzero.net) (38.29.181.36) by mail8.wlv.netzero.net with SMTP; 13 Sep 2000 14:44:40 -0000 Message-ID: <39BF910B.E78E1F8E@netzero.net> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 07:36:59 -0700 From: Juan-Carlos Lerman Reply-To: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnny Chan CC: jclerm@aztec.asu.edu, letoured@sover.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: External Microphone References: <200009130118.VAA28802@pike.sover.net> <39BEF5DD.98CC90B@netzero.net> <001f01c01d52$b6fe0b40$4d780a3d@icable.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I ordered it a few days ago from Andrea Electronics using their toll free phone number for about $(US) 6, including S&H by mail in the USA. The price on their web store, including S&H was about $(US) 16 and their shopping cart had a bug. Johnny Chan wrote: > > Thank you very much. Now I know it is nothing wrong to my microphone. > > I check from the http://www.speechcontrol.com and their ThinkPad Adapter is > what I need, and I know the microphone jack on my ThinkPad 600 has a > metallic ring as well. > > Do you think this kind of adapter is difficult to find? I live in Hong Kong > and I will check my local store to see if they have this kind of adapter > first. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Juan-Carlos Lerman > To: > Cc: Johnny Chan ; > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:34 AM > Subject: Re: External Microphone > > > Andrea Electronics also sells the adapter T-100 that > > allows to power their microphones without an external > > battery, but using the internal power supply of those > > Thinkpad models whose microphone jack has a metallic > > ring. Such arrangement works fine with the TP770. > > > > letoured@sover.net wrote: > > > > > > Johnny Chan" said: > > > > > > >Which microphone is suitable for my TP 600? I buy a cheap condensor > > > >microphone but no response. The IBM website said that I need some > microphone > > > >with external power, what is it? > > > > > > Some companies such as Andrea make a battery power supply for their > > > microphones. All Thinkpads need external power for microphones. > > > > > > -- > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > > letoured@sover.net > > > ----------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > > Why pay for something you could get for free? > > NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email > > http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html > > > > _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html From cph Wed Sep 13 14:51:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA29948 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:51:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00567; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:42:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00284; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:42:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00266; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:42:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:42:29 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JU4KCEIU688WX1N9@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:45:53 CST Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 13:45:52 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Amazing prices ! To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: ibm thinkpad 1400i 366mhz 12.1 tft $1149 ibm thinkpad 1400i 366 mhz 14.1" tft $1299 ibm thinkpad 1420 433mhz 13" hpa $929 Amazing sharp mobilion tripad PV-6000 WIn ce device reg:$1190 now $399 9.4" 640 x 480 VGA ! too bad already got the deal for IBM z50 last time ! better hurry up :) From cph Wed Sep 13 15:25:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA30290 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:25:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04295; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:23:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:22:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04133; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:22:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww181.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04120; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:22:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ww181.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.81 -> ww181.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 15:22:12 -0400 Received: (qmail 2721 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Sep 2000 19:22:11 -0000 Message-ID: <20000913192211.2720.qmail@ww181.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.81 by ww181 for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Wed Sep 13 19:22:11 GMT 2000 Date: 13 Sep 00 14:22:11 CDT From: Rob Bell To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Amazing prices ! X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA30291 Prices from where? IBM direct? Jon wrote: > ibm thinkpad 1400i 366mhz 12.1 tft $1149 > ibm thinkpad 1400i 366 mhz 14.1" tft $1299 > ibm thinkpad 1420 433mhz 13" hpa $929 > > Amazing sharp mobilion tripad PV-6000 WIn ce device reg:$1190 now $399 > 9.4" 640 x 480 VGA ! too bad already got the deal for IBM z50 last time ! > > better hurry up :) ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Wed Sep 13 16:23:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA30772 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:23:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09932; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:19:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09665; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:19:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot08.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA09646; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:19:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot08.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.28 -> pilot08.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:19:56 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cherryholmes.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.41]) by pilot08.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8DKJrX104630 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:19:53 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000913161852.02730850@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 16:20:05 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Amazing prices ! In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: This is the most amazingly incompetent piece of spam I have yet seen. At least it's author could have told us WHERE these prices are...! --STeve Andre' At 01:45 PM 9/13/00 -0600, Jon wrote: >ibm thinkpad 1400i 366mhz 12.1 tft $1149 >ibm thinkpad 1400i 366 mhz 14.1" tft $1299 >ibm thinkpad 1420 433mhz 13" hpa $929 > >Amazing sharp mobilion tripad PV-6000 WIn ce device reg:$1190 now $399 >9.4" 640 x 480 VGA ! too bad already got the deal for IBM z50 last time ! > >better hurry up :) From cph Wed Sep 13 17:37:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31463 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:37:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05353; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:30:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04653; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:30:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04639; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:30:39 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA10652; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 11:30:35 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002f01c01e93$03f6b6e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "STeve Andre'" References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000913161852.02730850@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Amazing prices ! Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:30:33 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I don't think this is an entirely reasonable reaction; if I'm thinking of the right person, Jon has in the past posted deals he has stumbled across at various places. His choice of subject line - a favorite of spammers - was unfortunate, and his neglect of "where" was at best a serious goof, but I don't think he is actually selling anything himself. I think he should be thanked - not excoriated - for trying to share with this list any genuine laptop deals he finds, though perhaps a bit less enthusiasm and a bit more information would be appropriate. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "STeve Andre'" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:20 AM Subject: Re: Amazing prices ! > This is the most amazingly incompetent piece of spam I have yet seen. At > least it's author could have told us WHERE these prices are...! > > --STeve Andre' > > At 01:45 PM 9/13/00 -0600, Jon wrote: > >ibm thinkpad 1400i 366mhz 12.1 tft $1149 > >ibm thinkpad 1400i 366 mhz 14.1" tft $1299 > >ibm thinkpad 1420 433mhz 13" hpa $929 > > > >Amazing sharp mobilion tripad PV-6000 WIn ce device reg:$1190 now $399 > >9.4" 640 x 480 VGA ! too bad already got the deal for IBM z50 last time ! > > > >better hurry up :) > > From cph Wed Sep 13 17:40:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31496 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:40:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06099; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:37:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05374; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05356; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:37:00 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a15.pm3-15.theriver.com [208.164.96.79]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AEF326E63; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:05:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39BFEC33.97B4526B@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:05:55 -0700 From: Ray Bay Reply-To: raybay@broadcast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Subscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Subscribe From cph Wed Sep 13 17:43:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31519 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:43:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06888; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:42:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:39:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06040; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot16.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06027; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:39:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot16.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.36 -> pilot16.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:39:46 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cherryholmes.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.41]) by pilot16.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8DLdhB94410 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:39:44 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000913173820.02750e00@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:39:55 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Amazing prices ! In-Reply-To: <002f01c01e93$03f6b6e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000913161852.02730850@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Well, if this was meant as an introduction to a place where deals abound, then I shall humbly apologize. But the "amazing prices!" is just soooooooo spam like. STeve Andre' At 11:30 AM 9/14/00 -1000, David Ross wrote: >I don't think this is an entirely reasonable reaction; if I'm thinking of >the right person, Jon has in the past posted deals he has >stumbled across at various places. His choice of subject line - a favorite >of spammers - was unfortunate, >and his neglect of "where" was at best a serious goof, but I don't think he >is actually selling anything himself. >I think he should be thanked - not excoriated - for trying to share with >this list any genuine laptop deals he finds, >though perhaps a bit less enthusiasm and a bit more information would be >appropriate. > >- David R. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "STeve Andre'" >To: >Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 10:20 AM >Subject: Re: Amazing prices ! > > > > This is the most amazingly incompetent piece of spam I have yet seen. At > > least it's author could have told us WHERE these prices are...! > > > > --STeve Andre' > > > > At 01:45 PM 9/13/00 -0600, Jon wrote: > > >ibm thinkpad 1400i 366mhz 12.1 tft $1149 > > >ibm thinkpad 1400i 366 mhz 14.1" tft $1299 > > >ibm thinkpad 1420 433mhz 13" hpa $929 > > > > > >Amazing sharp mobilion tripad PV-6000 WIn ce device reg:$1190 now $399 > > >9.4" 640 x 480 VGA ! too bad already got the deal for IBM z50 last time >! > > > > > >better hurry up :) > > > > From cph Wed Sep 13 17:56:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA31647 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:56:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08435; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:52:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08063; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08050; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (142.90.106.106 -> andrew1.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:52:05 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e8DLphC22634 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu.AVP; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:51:43 -0700 Received: from sfupc (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8DLpdO22630; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:51:39 -0700 Message-ID: <00b501c01dcb$5d1381e0$03785a8e@triumf.ca> From: "peter machule" To: , "STeve Andre'" References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000913161852.02730850@pilot.msu.edu> <5.0.0.25.0.20000913173820.02750e00@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: Amazing prices and where to find them ;-} Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 14:41:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi Type thinkpad in the search engine ;-] ...peter.. There are $20 off coupons available through www.techbargains.com From cph Wed Sep 13 18:14:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA31784 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:14:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11062; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:11:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09896; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:11:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09874; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:11:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:11:31 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JU4RMMPMUA8WX27A@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:14:57 CST Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:14:56 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Amazing prices / spam ??? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: sorry i couldnt write any better as i ma not an english major :) also i forgot ot put in the link" www.overstock.com !!! Actually i was too busy ordering some of the thinkpad and typing in the email at the same time !! :p As ya all know, i dont spam as iam not a dealer or anything. From cph Wed Sep 13 18:28:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA31915 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:28:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12716; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:27:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:24:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12451; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:24:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12437; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:24:41 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA11039 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 12:24:38 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <004a01c01e9a$90e50960$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000913161852.02730850@pilot.msu.edu> <5.0.0.25.0.20000913173820.02750e00@pilot.msu.edu> <00b501c01dcb$5d1381e0$03785a8e@triumf.ca> Subject: [TPnone] Overstock warning (was:Re: Amazing prices and where to find them ;-} Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:24:36 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: A quick warning about overstock.com: if you are *not* from the continental US, then you cannot find out until actually giving them all kinds of information (including credit card number) that they will not ship to you at any price. They were not interested in the suggestion that this information could properly be appended to their shipping information page. Moreover, in my case, once they had this information it was really hard to get them to stop sending me notices of deals, despite their shipping policy and my entirely reasonable request that I be expunged from their records. (Hopefully this is better now!) - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "peter machule" To: ; "STeve Andre'" Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 11:41 AM Subject: Re: Amazing prices and where to find them ;-} > http://www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi > > Type thinkpad in the search engine > ;-] > > ...peter.. > > There are $20 off coupons available through > www.techbargains.com > > > > From cph Wed Sep 13 18:33:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA31943 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:33:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13415; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:29:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13016; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:29:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12998; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:29:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:29:30 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JU4S9W7I6O8WWXLZ@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:32:55 CST Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 17:32:55 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: coupon for the amazing prices spam To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?cid=3619 and save extra $ 20. not much but $20 is $20 There was another deal the other day for 17 units of PIII 700 SOny vaio for $1700 after rebate but i was too late ! :( From cph Wed Sep 13 18:49:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA32061 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:49:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14900; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:45:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14667; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:45:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot25.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14632; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot25.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.45 -> pilot25.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:45:14 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cherryholmes.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.41]) by pilot25.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8DMj4l141908; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:45:04 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000913184300.01eebeb0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 18:45:16 -0400 To: Jon , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Amazing prices / spam ??? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Well Jon, I owe you an apology for thinking you were a spammer, so I electronically govel before you... Lately however I have been at the receiving end of an incredible amount of spam, all about non-technical things, and MOST of them horridly written *and* often devoid of useful data about the product. I took this announcement of cheap prices to be another one of them... Sorry! --STeve Andre' At 05:14 PM 9/13/00 -0600, Jon wrote: >sorry i couldnt write any better as i ma not an english major :) >also i forgot ot put in the link" www.overstock.com !!! Actually i was too >busy ordering some of the thinkpad and typing in the email at the same >time !! :p > >As ya all know, i dont spam as iam not a dealer or anything. From cph Wed Sep 13 19:34:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA32328 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:34:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18861; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:30:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18686; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:30:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18673; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:30:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:30:53 -0400 Received: from [208.58.101.147] (helo=pavilion) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13ZLzQ-0004yH-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:30:52 -0400 Message-ID: <001d01c01ddb$dd24e580$93653ad0@atw.pa.cable.rcn.com> Reply-To: "Grace Nall" From: "Grace Nall" To: References: Subject: Re: coupon for the amazing prices spam Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 19:39:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Be careful with overstock.com! I recently paid about $220 (using this coupon) for a Creative Labs internal DVD-RAM drive and they sent me an old OEM internal 2x SCSI CD-ROM drive instead! Thank God I used Amex. Grace ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 7:32 PM Subject: coupon for the amazing prices spam > www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?cid=3619 > > and save extra $ 20. not much but $20 is $20 > > There was another deal the other day for 17 units of PIII 700 SOny vaio > for $1700 after rebate but i was too late ! :( > > From cph Wed Sep 13 20:05:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA32552 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:05:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20946; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:00:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20546; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:00:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20527; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:00:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.62 -> smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:00:52 -0400 Received: from [208.58.101.147] (helo=pavilion) by smtp03.mrf.mail.rcn.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13ZMSM-0007RC-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:00:46 -0400 Message-ID: <006201c01de0$0aeda480$93653ad0@atw.pa.cable.rcn.com> Reply-To: "Grace Nall" From: "Grace Nall" To: References: <001d01c01ddb$dd24e580$93653ad0@atw.pa.cable.rcn.com> <00f001c01ddb$4208f320$03785a8e@triumf.ca> Subject: Re: coupon for the amazing prices spam Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:09:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Peter, They keep very limited stock on many items, so asking for a replacement isn't always possible - they're sold out. The drive was supposed to be a boxed kit and they sent me a bare drive in bubble wrap with some jumpers in a little plastic bag. Their policy says that you have to notify them in 5 days or else you can't return computer equipment, and if it wasn't in as-new condition that they would charge a 15% restocking fee. Although they did issue me an RMA for a refund (I just sent it back yesterday so I'm admittedly still in the process), I initiated a chargeback as a precautionary measure. I was afraid they might claim upon receipt that the bare drive wasn't packaged as sent and try to hit me up for the restocking fee, plus I have had a few bad experiences of late with other retailers who claimed they'd give a refund for defective/incorrect merchandise and instead locked me into store credits (buyitnow.com), or took their sweet time in processing the credit for my card account (onvia.com). Your mileage may vary, Grace > It was not an honest mistake ?? > You needed to do a chargeback ?? > You never got a DVD-RAM in the end ? > > ..peter.. > > Please reply to the list as more of us would be interested . > > Thank You > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Grace Nall > To: > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 4:39 PM > Subject: Re: coupon for the amazing prices spam > > > > Be careful with overstock.com! I recently paid about $220 (using this > > coupon) for a Creative Labs internal DVD-RAM drive and they sent me an old > > OEM internal 2x SCSI CD-ROM drive instead! Thank God I used Amex. > > > > Grace > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jon" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 7:32 PM > > Subject: coupon for the amazing prices spam > > > > > > > www.overstock.com/cgi-bin/d2.cgi?cid=3619 > > > > > > and save extra $ 20. not much but $20 is $20 > > > > > > There was another deal the other day for 17 units of PIII 700 SOny vaio > > > for $1700 after rebate but i was too late ! :( > > > > > > > > > > From cph Wed Sep 13 21:45:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA00940 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:45:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27143; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:45:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:41:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26787; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:41:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26774; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 13 Sep 2000 21:41:52 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JU4YZFM3NQ8WX2TR@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:45:18 CST Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 20:45:18 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Re: Amazing prices / spam ??? In-reply-to: <5.0.0.25.0.20000913184300.01eebeb0@pilot.msu.edu> To: "STeve Andre'" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: NO problem dude. As others have pointed out, I never ever did spam this wonderful list. I am merely doing my part to keep this list interesting with all aspect of computing. OK, how to get unreal bargains from the web cool dude. On Wed, 13 Sep 2000, STeve Andre' wrote: > Well Jon, I owe you an apology for thinking you were a spammer, so I > electronically govel before you... > > Lately however I have been at the receiving end of an incredible amount > of spam, all about non-technical things, and MOST of them horridly written > *and* often devoid of useful data about the product. I took this announcement > of cheap prices to be another one of them... > > Sorry! > > --STeve Andre' > > At 05:14 PM 9/13/00 -0600, Jon wrote: > >sorry i couldnt write any better as i ma not an english major :) > >also i forgot ot put in the link" www.overstock.com !!! Actually i was too > >busy ordering some of the thinkpad and typing in the email at the same > >time !! :p > > > >As ya all know, i dont spam as iam not a dealer or anything. > > From cph Thu Sep 14 01:23:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA02642 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:23:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07581; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:22:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:20:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07318; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:20:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07305; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:20:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:20:52 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-64.gate.net [207.36.212.64]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA162294; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:20:36 -0400 Message-ID: <39C06051.4F8C4165@gate.net> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:21:21 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James H. E. Maugham" CC: gerka@pacbell.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Used IBM Thinkpads References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: which model 600..?? "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > Call IBM and they'll send you another CD and boot disk provided your machine > came with W98 originally. > > Do NOT use the 385 recovery CD. > > Regards, > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Gerry [mailto:gerka@pacbell.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 9:06 AM > > To: Not Me > > Cc: Cottrell, Eric; 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'; Socco Gerry (ABS-CBNI) > > Subject: Re: Used IBM Thinkpads > > > > > > I have a TP 600 loaded with Win 2000. I'd like to uninstall win2000 and > > install win 98. Unfortunately, I cannot find my TP 600 Recovery disk and > > floppy (due to a move!). > > > > However, I still have my TP 385 Recovery cd & floppy. Can I use this > > instead? Is there another way of doing it? > > > > gerry > > sf -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Thu Sep 14 01:58:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA02908 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:58:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09054; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:57:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:55:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08876; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:55:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08863; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.eskimo.com (204.122.16.48 -> mx1.eskimo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 01:55:32 -0400 Received: from eskimo.com (aaronb@eskimo.com [204.122.16.13]) by mx1.eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA15426 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:55:31 -0700 Received: from localhost (aaronb@localhost) by eskimo.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA25211 for ; Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:55:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: eskimo.com: aaronb owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:55:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Aaron Burt To: TP List Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000117195914.00a5b820@pop3.iceka1.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe tp750 From cph Thu Sep 14 04:45:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA03438 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:45:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17612; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:40:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17404; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17259; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:37:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (134.100.9.61 -> rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:37:01 -0400 Received: from kogs1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (root@kogs1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.12.111]) by rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8E8awK07755 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:36:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.12.145]) by kogs1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8E8au625593 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:36:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e8E8arM16739 for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:36:53 +0200 (MET DST) From: Sven Utcke Message-Id: <200009140836.e8E8arM16739@kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de> Subject: [TP360PE] Maximum size HDD (Linux) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:36:52 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I recently bought a TP360PE (keyboard _and_ pen, the display swivel down onto the keyboard, neat device). However, the approx. 500MB HDD is just too small to do anything really useful. So I wonder: What is the maximum HDD size this computer would take? Also, what is the maximum height? Will 12.5mm (1/2") fit, or does it have to be 9.5mm (3/8")? Any advice appreciated. Sven -- _ __ The Cognitive Systems Group | |/ /___ __ _ ___ University of Hamburg | ' ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:58:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18179; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:50:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:48:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18038; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:48:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA17733; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (134.100.9.61 -> rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 04:44:52 -0400 Received: from kogs1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (root@kogs1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.12.111]) by rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8E8ipK08158 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.12.145]) by kogs1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8E8in625680 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:44:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e8E8ikU16755 for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:44:46 +0200 (MET DST) From: Sven Utcke Message-Id: <200009140844.e8E8ikU16755@kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de> Subject: [TP701C] Maximum size HDD and RAM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:44:44 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi, I might want to upgrade my trusted TP701C. Does anybody know what the maximum HDD size is (under Linux)? I'm currently using 3.2GB, and I know that 6.4GB is supposed to work. Anything above? I currently have a reasonable offer for 10GB, would that work? Also, what is the maximum amount of RAM this computer would take? I know it is supposed to be 40MB, but there have been some rumours about 72MB (8+64) lately, unfortunately I missed the conclusion (i.e. somebody posting: this particular number chip will work). Any advice appreciated Sven -- _ __ The Cognitive Systems Group | |/ /___ __ _ ___ University of Hamburg | ' ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:17:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19089; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:03:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:01:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18868; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18852; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:01:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from generics.co.uk (194.216.39.130 -> mailgate.generics.co.uk) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 05:01:29 -0400 Received: from scigen.co.uk (pluto [172.20.2.1]) by generics.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA29331; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:01:24 +0100 (BST) Received: from harstonmail.generics.co.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by scigen.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24367; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:01:23 +0100 (BST) Received: by HARSTONMAIL with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:03:31 +0100 Message-ID: <554F5FFF12D4D311B04700508B5A9D29E86588@HARSTONMAIL> From: "Quantrill, Adam" To: "'Sven Utcke'" , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: [TP701C] Maximum size HDD and RAM Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 10:03:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: I use a 4.8 gig with Linux on one partition. Don't see why you can't max out at 6.4 gig. The linux partition is under a gig though, and most of the data files are on a large dos-formatted partition (so I can also access them from windoze) This is on a 755C and a 755CX. I can't go larger as the BIOS won't recognise the drive. - Adam -----Original Message----- From: Sven Utcke [mailto:utcke@kogs1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de] Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 9:45 AM To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP701C] Maximum size HDD and RAM Hi, I might want to upgrade my trusted TP701C. Does anybody know what the maximum HDD size is (under Linux)? I'm currently using 3.2GB, and I know that 6.4GB is supposed to work. Anything above? I currently have a reasonable offer for 10GB, would that work? Also, what is the maximum amount of RAM this computer would take? I know it is supposed to be 40MB, but there have been some rumours about 72MB (8+64) lately, unfortunately I missed the conclusion (i.e. somebody posting: this particular number chip will work). Any advice appreciated Sven -- _ __ The Cognitive Systems Group | |/ /___ __ _ ___ University of Hamburg | ' ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:29:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01624; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:26:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01330; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:26:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA01184; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (134.100.9.61 -> rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 07:22:24 -0400 Received: from kogs1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (root@kogs1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.12.111]) by rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8EBMLK15038; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:22:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.12.145]) by kogs1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8EBMI627057; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:22:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e8EBMGv16906; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:22:16 +0200 (MET DST) From: Sven Utcke Message-Id: <200009141122.e8EBMGv16906@kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de> Subject: Re: Yet another Linux-ThinkPad question To: bob@greschke.com (Bob Greschke) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:22:16 +0200 (MET DST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <000701bfbc98$48514600$92095892@aoc.nrao.edu> from "Bob Greschke" at May 12, 2000 11:01:21 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hi Bob, > OK. I'm going to get Linux on this machine even if it kills me. Nah, it's (reasonable) easy... > I have a 600X with a 12GB drive. [...] > It is split into a 2GB C: partition, [...] > When I look at the properties for D it is now 5.5GB. Good. So now you have two primary partitions at 2GB and 5.5GB, and the rest is free? I assume the hibernation goes to C:? > Now what? I can't quite seem to glean out of everything I've read what > exactly it is that I'm supposed to do. If it is run (MSDOS) fdisk, then I > don't see (i.e. it doesn't slap me in the face) what I'm supposed to do with > it. Nothing. > The empty space doesn't seem to show up anywhere. Unless you have an LBA-Problem (i.e. DOS fdisk not working) it should show as the difference between the currently used size and the maximum size. > It says that the extended DOS partition is ~9GB, and D: is 5.5GB, > but I don't want to create a DOS drive, do I? ???? Ah, here we go. So you do _not_ have two primary partitions, but one primary (C:) and one extended (the 9GB) containing another DOS-partition (D:) and some 3.5 GB space. Where is the remaining 1GB hiding? Anyway, simply running the Redhat install should ask you whether you would want to use that empty space, and you simply say yes. Although live might be easier later on with at least a tiny bit of Linux on a primary partition --- setting up LILO can get mightily complicated otherwise... > This will be the next pump in the road. Now, I tried running the Redhat 6.2 > installer once or twice (before I got around to resizing partitions or > anything like that), and I noticed right off the bat that there is a video > card problem. If I chose the graphical install it looks like the installer > is using all 1024x768 pixels, but I only get to see the center 640x480. The > rest of the screen is black, and the mouse won't move out of the 640x480 > square. Very likely this is your Laptops VGA-emulation. The installer is running in VGA-mode (640x480x16) until it knows what mode to use, which will be reasonably late in the installation. > Can that be fixed, Don't think so. It will go away once you finished the installation. > or should I just stick with the text version of the installation? That's what I would do, although the graphical install might be more fool-prove. Sven -- _ __ The Cognitive Systems Group | |/ /___ __ _ ___ University of Hamburg | ' ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:42:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09363; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:39:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:37:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09119; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:37:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09100; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:37:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (206.13.28.241 -> mta5.snfc21.pbi.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 09:37:34 -0400 Received: from postoffice.pacbell.net ([216.101.189.180]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.2000.01.05.12.18.p9) with ESMTP id <0G0V00C31PRMJ4@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:35:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 06:34:39 -0700 From: Gerry Subject: Re: Used IBM Thinkpads To: penzance@gate.net Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" , gerka@pacbell.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Reply-to: gerka@pacbell.net Message-id: <39C0D3EF.99707AF@postoffice.pacbell.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en]C-PBI-NC404 (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Accept-Language: en References: <39C06051.4F8C4165@gate.net> List-Unsubscribe: PII-266mhz, 128 megs ram, dock III... thanks, Gerry Bill Morrow wrote: > which model 600..?? > > "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > > > Call IBM and they'll send you another CD and boot disk provided your machine > > came with W98 originally. > > > > Do NOT use the 385 recovery CD. > > > > Regards, > > > > James > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Gerry [mailto:gerka@pacbell.net] > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 9:06 AM > > > To: Not Me > > > Cc: Cottrell, Eric; 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'; Socco Gerry (ABS-CBNI) > > > Subject: Re: Used IBM Thinkpads > > > > > > > > > I have a TP 600 loaded with Win 2000. I'd like to uninstall win2000 and > > > install win 98. Unfortunately, I cannot find my TP 600 Recovery disk and > > > floppy (due to a move!). > > > > > > However, I still have my TP 385 Recovery cd & floppy. Can I use this > > > instead? Is there another way of doing it? > > > > > > gerry > > > sf > > -- > --- > > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > sic transit gloria From cph Thu Sep 14 11:13:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA05877 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:13:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17746; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:11:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:10:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17594; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:10:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17580; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:10:09 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-35.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.140]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA27077; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:09:50 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , Cc: Subject: RE: Used IBM Thinkpads Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:13:52 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39C0D3EF.99707AF@postoffice.pacbell.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Gerry [mailto:gerka@pacbell.net] wrote: > PII-266mhz, 128 megs ram, dock III... That's the same 600 that I have Gerry, 2645-51U, and normally I'd be glad to lend you the recovery CD, but my unit came with NT4, although I'm running W2K on it now. The recovery CD for my 600E is W98, but I'd be hesitant to use that on my 600 as the drivers are fairly different, at least according to the driver matrix. IMHO, get a copy of W98SE (if you don't have one) from a friend and use that to install W98. Make sure you've got all of the drivers downloaded from: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/DSHY-3TLQ2L.html particularly the BIOS, utility, trackpoint, video and supplemental disk for W98. Simply install from the CD after selecting it as a boot device in EZSetup. You're going to get sick of rebooting, so don't forget the trick of holding the shift key down for the slow count of three when you click on restart. This will restart windows rather than completely restarting the unit. You could try using your 385 recovery CD, but there are few shared drivers between it and the 600 under W98 and I'd be hesitant to do that either. Don't forget that the original setup for the 600's HD was C:=1.99GB FAT16, D:=FAT32 of remaining space to get around hibernation problems. HTH, James From cph Thu Sep 14 13:41:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA06972 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:41:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00980; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:38:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:36:44 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00658; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:36:40 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id NAA07492 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 13:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA25994; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:45:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.13 -> mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:45:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 37481 invoked by alias); 14 Sep 2000 16:45:53 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 37377 invoked by uid 0); 14 Sep 2000 16:45:51 -0000 Received: from dialupu92.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (207.109.17.92) by mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 14 Sep 2000 16:45:51 -0000 Message-ID: <007c01c01e6b$58dd0e70$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "Sven Utcke" , "Bob Greschke" Cc: References: <200009141122.e8EBMGv16906@kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de> Subject: Re: Yet another Linux-ThinkPad question Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 11:46:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: I have installed RedHat 6.2 on my 600X. You are indeed stuck to using 640x480 during the installation. It won't take so very long. However, you should be aware of the video expansion key (Fn-F8). Use it to expand text or graphics to use almost the entire screen. On my 600X, X Window System will not start if video expansion is enabled. Just press Fn-F8 and try again. Enjoy! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sven Utcke" To: "Bob Greschke" Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 6:22 AM Subject: Re: Yet another Linux-ThinkPad question > Hi Bob, > > > OK. I'm going to get Linux on this machine even if it kills me. > > Nah, it's (reasonable) easy... > > > I have a 600X with a 12GB drive. > [...] > > It is split into a 2GB C: partition, > [...] > > When I look at the properties for D it is now 5.5GB. > > Good. So now you have two primary partitions at 2GB and 5.5GB, and > the rest is free? I assume the hibernation goes to C:? > > > Now what? I can't quite seem to glean out of everything I've read what > > exactly it is that I'm supposed to do. If it is run (MSDOS) fdisk, then I > > don't see (i.e. it doesn't slap me in the face) what I'm supposed to do with > > it. > > Nothing. > > > The empty space doesn't seem to show up anywhere. > > Unless you have an LBA-Problem (i.e. DOS fdisk not working) it should > show as the difference between the currently used size and the maximum > size. > > > It says that the extended DOS partition is ~9GB, and D: is 5.5GB, > > but I don't want to create a DOS drive, do I? ???? > > Ah, here we go. So you do _not_ have two primary partitions, but one > primary (C:) and one extended (the 9GB) containing another > DOS-partition (D:) and some 3.5 GB space. Where is the remaining 1GB > hiding? > > Anyway, simply running the Redhat install should ask you whether you > would want to use that empty space, and you simply say yes. Although > live might be easier later on with at least a tiny bit of Linux on a > primary partition --- setting up LILO can get mightily complicated > otherwise... > > > > This will be the next pump in the road. Now, I tried running the Redhat 6.2 > > installer once or twice (before I got around to resizing partitions or > > anything like that), and I noticed right off the bat that there is a video > > card problem. If I chose the graphical install it looks like the installer > > is using all 1024x768 pixels, but I only get to see the center 640x480. The > > rest of the screen is black, and the mouse won't move out of the 640x480 > > square. > > Very likely this is your Laptops VGA-emulation. The installer is > running in VGA-mode (640x480x16) until it knows what mode to use, > which will be reasonably late in the installation. > > > Can that be fixed, > > Don't think so. It will go away once you finished the installation. > > > or should I just stick with the text version of the installation? > > That's what I would do, although the graphical install might be more > fool-prove. > > Sven > -- > _ __ The Cognitive Systems Group > | |/ /___ __ _ ___ University of Hamburg > | ' |_|\_\___/\__, /__/ fax : +49 (0)40 42883-2572 D-22527 Hamburg > |___/ http://kogs-www.informatik.uni-hamburg.de/~utcke/home.html > From cph Thu Sep 14 15:17:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA07797 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:17:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10459; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:16:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:14:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10199; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10181; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 15:14:05 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.183.180 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:13:12 -0700 Message-ID: <001101c01e80$4ea5a6a0$b4b71b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Thinkpad Screensavers Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:16:37 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Ran across 2 on a old 560, pretty cool. Email me if you want them! Booger From cph Thu Sep 14 17:43:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA09234 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:43:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24641; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:38:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24312; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24298; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:38:23 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.202.13 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 14:37:32 -0700 Message-ID: <000001c01e94$78cbf740$0dca1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: IR Transfer Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 16:29:42 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I have 2 560's. Both with working IR ports. How can I get a web browser transfered from my machine to my son's? For some reason it doesn't have IE on it. Any help would be appreciated. From cph Thu Sep 14 18:31:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA09646 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:31:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28765; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:27:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28544; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:27:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28530; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:27:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 18:27:06 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA01394; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 12:27:00 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000701c01f64$11808580$3262183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Brad Burean" , "Thinkpad Users" References: <000001c01e94$78cbf740$0dca1b3f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: IR Transfer Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:26:56 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > I have 2 560's. Both with working IR ports. How can I get a web browser > transfered from my machine to my son's? For some reason it doesn't have IE > on it. Any help would be appreciated. IE is so huge that the best way to get it on a machine is with a CD. Even if you get a connection to your other machine running, you can't just transfer IE over. Virtually any MS software CD has some version of IE there somewhere; once you have it on your son's machine, you can then upgrade to 5.5 by downloading it to his machine (don't do this on a slow connection!) Or, go somewhere like www.nonags.com to find the smallest alternative browser you can some are quite small!), then use this to download IE. However, it is useful anyway to get IR working. Assuming you are running W9x, you need to install the windows IR drivers on each machine. Thios will give you "virtual" com/lpt ports, across which you can run DCC or a program like TranXit or LapLink. If you add a "virtual modem" driver and have the Dial-Up Server installed (included with recent releases of the dial-up networking package, free from MS) then you can do genuine MS networking across the IR. Works well. - David R. From cph Thu Sep 14 20:06:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA10261 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:06:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05127; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:01:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04703; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04677; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:00:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (149.174.206.153 -> ds-img-7.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:00:54 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmbaaa.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id UAA00400 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:00:32 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: 755 and 760 AC Adapters confusion Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200009142000_MC2-B367-C599@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id UAA10262 I have some IBM AC adapters with the FRU's 12J1448, 85G6701and 85G6689 They are all 16 -10V 2.2 -3.2A but I am little confused as the FRU correspond to different models depending which webpage you call up on IBM's site. As they seem to be the standard rating, will they be OK in a 760EL for example as well as the later 755xx series do you think?? They are all 'D' 4 pin Thanks for any help/clarification Mark UK From cph Thu Sep 14 20:18:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA10339 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:18:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06442; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:15:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06205; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:15:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06192; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:15:04 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.156]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000915001500.SKMN17935.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 00:15:00 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000914201138.01450920@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:11:38 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: 755 and 760 AC Adapters confusion In-Reply-To: <200009142000_MC2-B367-C599@compuserve.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 08:00 PM 09/14/2000 -0400, Mark Gardiner wrote: >As they seem to be the standard rating, will they be OK in a 760EL for >example as well as the later 755xx series do you think?? They are all 'D' 4 >pin > The rule of thumb with the ThinkPad AC Adapters is that if the plug fits, it will be OK. From cph Thu Sep 14 20:27:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA10382 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:27:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07770; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:24:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:23:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07385; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:23:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07366; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:22:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:22:44 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.184.22 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:21:51 -0700 Message-ID: <000701c01eab$6cf7e480$16b81b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "David Ross" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <000001c01e94$78cbf740$0dca1b3f@oemcomputer> <000701c01f64$11808580$3262183f@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: IR Transfer Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:25:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Already figured it out thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: David Ross To: Brad Burean ; Thinkpad Users Sent: Friday, September 15, 2000 5:26 PM Subject: Re: IR Transfer > > I have 2 560's. Both with working IR ports. How can I get a web browser > > transfered from my machine to my son's? For some reason it doesn't have > IE > > on it. Any help would be appreciated. > > IE is so huge that the best way to get it on a machine is with a CD. Even > if you get a connection to your other machine running, you can't just > transfer IE over. Virtually any MS software CD has some version of IE there > somewhere; > once you have it on your son's machine, you can then upgrade to 5.5 by > downloading it to his machine (don't do this on a slow connection!) Or, go > somewhere like www.nonags.com to find the smallest alternative browser you > can some are quite small!), then use this to download IE. > > However, it is useful anyway to get IR working. Assuming you are running > W9x, you need to install the windows IR drivers > on each machine. Thios will give you "virtual" com/lpt ports, across which > you can run DCC or a program like TranXit or LapLink. If you add a "virtual > modem" driver and have the Dial-Up Server installed (included with recent > releases of the dial-up networking package, free from MS) then you can do > genuine MS networking across the IR. Works well. > > - David R. > From cph Thu Sep 14 20:44:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA10509 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:44:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09419; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:42:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:41:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09218; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09194; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:41:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (216.227.56.41 -> mail-1.sjc.telocity.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:41:18 -0400 Received: from dsl-216-227-14-85.chi.interchangedsl.com (dsl-216-227-14-85.chi.interchangedsl.com [216.227.14.85]) by mail-1.sjc.telocity.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA18945 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 17:40:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Stan Mocek To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: tp600 Battery deal Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:43:30 -0500 Reply-To: mocek@azb.com Message-ID: References: <39BBC609.16405.4D035BD@localhost> <39BC0875.23836.4C4D82@localhost> In-Reply-To: <39BC0875.23836.4C4D82@localhost> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 22:17:25 -0700, Chuck Blaisdell wrote: >On 11 Sep 2000, at 0:27, James H. E. Maugham wrote: > >> I hate to be the one to tell you this Chuck, but that battery shown at the URL >> you gave us doesn't look ANYTHING like any of my TP600 batteries! > >I know I assumed it was Egghead's usual attention to graphics. >> >> I hope it's just a case of not having the correct picture available. The part >> number they list for it (12J246) is ALMOST the right number of 12J2464. > >Yup. >> >> Still, it overcomes all of the caveats normally encountered when dealing with >> Egghead. > >That was what I thought, since most of 600 batts seem to be over >$200. > >> The units are new and the warranty is 1 year from IBM, not some >>unknown >> wholesaler. > >Agreed. >> >> Very tempting. The $9.80 in shipping is an ouch though. > >FYI, if you put in the code FUSA1 in the coupon/code area, you can get 5% off. > >I'll let folks know what actually shows up.... I don't know if Chuck received his battery yet, but since I have a 560 and 560X in addition to the 600E. I decided to take a chance and buy one. I figured I couldn't lose. ;-) The battery arrived today, and it is, in fact, for the ThinkPad 600 models. Arrived in a brand new sealed IBM box. It's charging up as I write this. Once it finishes charging, I'll run it through it's paces to see how well it holds up. -- Stan Mocek mocek@azb.com From cph Thu Sep 14 20:59:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA10585 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:59:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA11091; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:56:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10866; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ficus.frogspace.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10845; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:56:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ficus.frogspace.net (64.6.237.2) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:56:28 -0400 Received: from [209.105.53.200] (helo=yar) by ficus.frogspace.net with smtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 13Zjnb-0001A9-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:56:16 -0400 Message-ID: <000b01c01eaf$9b4e8ba0$0109790a@yar> From: "Code0 Networks" To: "Thinkpad Mailing List" Subject: [TP730T] Need Pen To Work In DOS Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 19:54:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 List-Unsubscribe: I recently posted a letter to the list regarding getting PenDOS for the 730T. What I wanted to get out of it was the ability to use the pen as a mouse in dos without buying PC-DOS. Can anyone either send the files I would or send me a URL to a site which has them? TIA. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Jonathan C. Bailey Webmaster, Code0 Networks http://www.code0.net/ jbailey@smig.net jonathan@code0.net I B M U B M We all B M For I B M!!!! - H.A.R.L.I.E. Knowledge may be a sword, but it is double-edged. The delivery mechanisms for knowledge are today in the hands of fewer and fewer people. - Bytes for All Today is a very important day. You are exchanging today for a day of your life. You can waste it - or you can use it for good. When tomorrow comes, today will be gone forever, leaving in its place for what you have traded it. Use it for gain not loss; for good not evil; for right not wrong; for success not failure. Use it for the best that is in you so that you will never regret the price you have paid for this day. From cph Thu Sep 14 23:24:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA11404 for ; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:24:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20207; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:22:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:20:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19774; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cheddar.direct.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19761; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:20:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from cheddar.direct.ca (199.60.229.16 -> cheddar.direct.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 14 Sep 2000 23:20:43 -0400 Received: from bc-van-wwd-a53-01-67.look.ca ([216.66.143.163] helo=direct.ca) by cheddar.direct.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #6) id 13ZluG-0004E6-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:11:16 -0700 Message-ID: <39C19303.FA2E033B@direct.ca> Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 20:09:55 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Unsubscribe Can anyone tell me how to get off this list? Thx From cph Fri Sep 15 02:37:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA12477 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:37:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA29094; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:33:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28934; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:33:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA28921; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:33:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:33:07 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-260.gate.net [199.227.173.6]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA192470; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:32:30 -0400 Message-ID: <39C1C2AB.F94B272F@gate.net> Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 02:33:15 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gerka@pacbell.net CC: "James H. E. Maugham" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Used IBM Thinkpads References: <39C06051.4F8C4165@gate.net> <39C0D3EF.99707AF@postoffice.pacbell.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: i have a copy of a set of recovery CD's for an early 600 i had.. its w95.. recovery CD and customization CD.. Gerry wrote: > PII-266mhz, 128 megs ram, dock III... > > thanks, > Gerry > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > which model 600..?? > > > > "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > > > > > Call IBM and they'll send you another CD and boot disk provided your machine > > > came with W98 originally. > > > > > > Do NOT use the 385 recovery CD. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > James > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Gerry [mailto:gerka@pacbell.net] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2000 9:06 AM > > > > To: Not Me > > > > Cc: Cottrell, Eric; 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'; Socco Gerry (ABS-CBNI) > > > > Subject: Re: Used IBM Thinkpads > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a TP 600 loaded with Win 2000. I'd like to uninstall win2000 and > > > > install win 98. Unfortunately, I cannot find my TP 600 Recovery disk and > > > > floppy (due to a move!). > > > > > > > > However, I still have my TP 385 Recovery cd & floppy. Can I use this > > > > instead? Is there another way of doing it? > > > > > > > > gerry > > > > sf > > > > -- > > --- > > > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > > sic transit gloria -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Sep 15 13:11:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA15724 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:11:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13380; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:09:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:06:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13053; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13039; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:06:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 15 Sep 2000 13:06:35 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.22.251.131 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 10:05:22 -0700 Message-ID: <002901c01f37$9dff7200$83fb163f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: Sceensavers Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 12:08:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: To everyone that requested these, I'll email them Sunday evening. The zip file will have 2 screensavers and 2 new backgrounds that I ran across. Booger From cph Fri Sep 15 15:35:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA16918 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:35:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27231; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:32:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26942; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaab.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA26929; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spdmgaab.compuserve.com (149.174.206.135 -> ds-img-2.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:32:06 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by spdmgaab.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id PAA27659 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 15:31:32 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: New 365X DSTN screens Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200009151531_MC2-B38B-22FA@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA16919 Hi For my sins, I picked up some new LCD 10.4" DSTN screens with lid assemblies for 365X models if anyone needs one... I want to move them, so on offer cheaply. Mark From cph Fri Sep 15 22:27:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA19358 for ; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:27:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21642; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:26:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:22:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21133; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:22:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21120; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.1 -> sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 15 Sep 2000 22:21:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 23926 invoked by alias); 16 Sep 2000 02:21:52 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 23898 invoked by uid 0); 16 Sep 2000 02:21:49 -0000 Received: from dialupv89.sttl.uswest.net (HELO sfupc) (216.160.85.89) by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 16 Sep 2000 02:21:49 -0000 Message-ID: <003101c01f84$9dfcabe0$5955a0d8@triumf.ca> From: "p machule" To: "thinkpad" Subject: Ext floppy for thinkpad 760...... $25 !! from Hitechcafe Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 19:19:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/inproduct.asp?dept_id=6&sku=EXT+FDD 1.44 EXT FLOPPY FOR THNKPD 760 BLK W/CBL - $25.00 Good Deal ! ..peter.. From cph Sat Sep 16 09:11:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA21246 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:11:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19585; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:10:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:07:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19322; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19308; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:07:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:07:46 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.202.162 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 06:06:57 -0700 Message-ID: <001701c01fdf$7a7aa540$a2ca1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Shawn Poirier" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: Subject: Re: re screen savers. Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 08:10:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Yeah, I got to figure out what file they need. I'll email that to you when I find it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Shawn Poirier To: Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 1:24 AM Subject: re screen savers. > Thanks. I could not get the screen savers to work, but I did like the > backgrounds. > Shawn. > From cph Sat Sep 16 09:52:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA21344 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:52:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21297; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:47:02 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21166; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:47:01 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id JAA28505 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 09:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23801; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:14:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (207.69.200.246 -> smtp10.atl.mindspring.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:14:19 -0400 Received: from user-37ka7d0.dialup.mindspring.com (user-37ka7d0.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.29.160]) by smtp10.atl.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA01736; Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:14:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009160314.XAA01736@smtp10.atl.mindspring.net> From: "Allan Ballard" To: "p machule" , "thinkpad" Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2000 23:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: "Allan Ballard" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <003101c01f84$9dfcabe0$5955a0d8@triumf.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Ext floppy for thinkpad 760...... $25 !! from Hitechcafe List-Unsubscribe: What I need is an external CD for a 760, 8x or better. On Fri, 15 Sep 2000 19:19:59 -0700, p machule wrote: >http://www.hitechcafe.com/eshop/inproduct.asp?dept_id=6&sku=EXT+FDD > > 1.44 EXT FLOPPY FOR THNKPD 760 BLK W/CBL - $25.00 > >Good Deal ! >..peter.. > From cph Sat Sep 16 16:37:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA22506 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:37:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07194; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:26:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07040; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:26:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad1 (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07026; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:26:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad1 (12.79.57.192 -> 192.morristown-15-20rs.nj.dial-access.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:26:06 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01c0201c$868944d0$c0394f0c@thinkpad1> From: "Donald Mak" To: "thinkpad" References: <003101c01f84$9dfcabe0$5955a0d8@triumf.ca> Subject: EZ Serve... Yet again Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 16:27:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Here's another easy serve for all of you... IBM replaced my battery a few months ago but its lasting less then 1/2 hour and the screen is flickering...yet again as well. I called IBM about two weeks ago and they said they would schedule and EZ Serve pick-up and get it fixed. Well needless to say two weeks go by and no box... I call IBM and they look up the case and apparently EZ Serve rejected the 'service request'. Now.... how can EZ Serve reject a request for service? IBM didn't have an answer but did put the request in again. One would think that it's not up to EZ Serve to deny a request by IBM... Guess these @#$'s are getting pretty arrogant and it's time for IBM to find a new shop.... Donald Mak From cph Sat Sep 16 17:47:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA22707 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:47:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10051; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:39:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:38:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09912; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09899; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:38:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout2-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.101 -> pimout2-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:38:03 -0400 Received: from CHUCK (adsl-63-198-206-202.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.206.202]) by pimout2-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8GLc1g20684 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 17:38:01 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 14:37:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Drive in UltraSlimBay in 600E Reply-to: chuck@ccncn.org Message-ID: <39C385C7.21011.2B1ECD@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Somebody more knowledgeable than I.... Will this drive http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00049171/03366145.htm fit in the UltraSlimBay HD adapter in the 600E Thanks. From cph Sat Sep 16 20:35:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA23212 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:35:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15990; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:31:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15824; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15810; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:31:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.147.1.143 -> chmls05.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:31:18 -0400 Received: from laptop (h008019357f7a.ne.mediaone.net [24.147.202.232]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA19377 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:31:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jeffrey Baker" To: Subject: laptop clipholder? Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 20:31:20 -0400 Message-ID: <000801c0203e$99c43dd0$0200a8c0@laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I own a nifty clipholder that uses no glue or velcro - it clamps harmlessly onto the side of a laptop and holds up a piece of paper. It really doesn't even clamp but just stays in place without pressure by its own weight. It also comes with a glue on base to put on the side of a desktop monitor, and it slides into that if one wishes, too. Problem is, I want to give a couple as gifts and can't identify this one or remember where I bought it. It wasn't IGo, who sell some excellent laptop accessories. Does anyone know the source? It's entirely likely that I heard about it here. Thanks -- Jeff From cph Sat Sep 16 23:44:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA23874 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:44:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25516; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:39:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25195; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from garnet.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA25182; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:39:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from garnet.sover.net (209.198.87.53 -> garnet.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:39:44 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a182.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.183]) by garnet.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA22842 for ; Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009170339.XAA22842@garnet.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on garnet.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a182.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.183] 209.198.113.183 Sat, 16 Sep 2000 23:39:38 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 16 Sep 2000 19:29:34 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Need TP 560 Battery X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 List-Unsubscribe: Has any one seen any good deals on TP 560 batteries? The going price seems to be around $200 which is seems pretty steep since the machine isn't worth much more then that. ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Sun Sep 17 07:37:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA02404 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:37:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17805; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:33:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17570; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.cais.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17557; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:33:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.cais.net (205.252.14.8 -> shell.cais.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:33:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by shell.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA00321 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 07:28:30 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: ThinkPad List Subject: Anyone actually use the new X Thinkpad? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: From cph Sun Sep 17 14:32:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA04004 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:32:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21304; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:31:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:29:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21102; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:29:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop5.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21088; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:28:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop5.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.5 -> pop.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:28:59 -0400 Received: (qmail 28190 invoked by alias); 17 Sep 2000 18:28:58 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 28168 invoked by uid 0); 17 Sep 2000 18:28:57 -0000 Received: from sttl6400gw3poola16.sttl.uswest.net (HELO jmcjr) (63.225.173.16) by pop.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 17 Sep 2000 18:28:57 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000917112927.0096cc60@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 11:29:27 -0700 To: letoured@sover.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Not Me Subject: Re: Need TP 560 Battery In-Reply-To: <200009170339.XAA22842@garnet.sover.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:29 PM 9/16/2000 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >Has any one seen any good deals on TP 560 batteries? The going price seems >to be around $200 which is seems pretty steep since the machine isn't worth >much more then that. Look on ebay. Search on "thinkpad 560 battery" You'll find a lot of choices well under $100. ------ I'll take the blame. When they ask, "Who did it?" Just say, "No Me." From cph Sun Sep 17 14:46:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA04060 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:46:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22131; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:43:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21980; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:43:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21967; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:43:14 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-462.gate.net [199.227.173.208]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA203774; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:43:10 -0400 Message-ID: <39C510EA.8D8DC2E9@gate.net> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 14:43:54 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Donald Mak CC: thinkpad Subject: Re: EZ Serve... Yet again References: <003101c01f84$9dfcabe0$5955a0d8@triumf.ca> <000a01c0201c$868944d0$c0394f0c@thinkpad1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Donald.. i had a long dissertation to explain whats going on.. then i decided its not fit for public perusal.. if you would like to add this to a collection i am starting, please e-mail it to me.. dates and case #.. i will collect a few more then forward them on to someone within ibm.. Donald Mak wrote: > Here's another easy serve for all of you... > > IBM replaced my battery a few months ago but its lasting less then 1/2 hour > and the screen > is flickering...yet again as well. > > I called IBM about two weeks ago and they said they would schedule and EZ > Serve pick-up and get it > fixed. > > Well needless to say two weeks go by and no box... I call IBM and they look > up the case and > apparently EZ Serve rejected the 'service request'. > > Now.... how can EZ Serve reject a request for service? IBM didn't have an > answer but did put the request in again. > > One would think that it's not up to EZ Serve to deny a request by IBM... > Guess these @#$'s are getting > pretty arrogant and it's time for IBM to find a new shop.... > > Donald Mak -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sun Sep 17 15:07:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA04186 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:07:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23490; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:05:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:04:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23338; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23321; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:04:03 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-462.gate.net [199.227.173.208]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA18820; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:03:50 -0400 Message-ID: <39C515BF.EE1CA892@gate.net> Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:04:32 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chuck@ccncn.org CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Drive in UltraSlimBay in 600E References: <39C385C7.21011.2B1ECD@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: after the egghead site crashed TWO of my desktype boxes (probably because i would not allow cookies and other stuff to be run on my boxes), i read the line on the close program box.. it says something about a toshiba 19mm hard drive.. a drive that thick won't fit the ultraslimbay.. period.. toshiba has not made a 19mm drive for years AFAIK.. i don't trust or like egghead.. in fact, way too many online merchants use and misuse the data they harvest when you go to their web sites.. i'm not saying egghead does this, but why did two boxes crash when i did not accept their cookies and other 'implants'..?! Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > Somebody more knowledgeable than I.... > > Will this drive > http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00049171/03366145.htm > > fit in the UltraSlimBay HD adapter in the 600E > > Thanks. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sun Sep 17 15:14:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA04210 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:14:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24231; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:11:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23990; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot24.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23977; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:11:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot24.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.44 -> pilot24.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:11:40 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm456-02.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.60]) by pilot24.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8HJBYK49666 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:11:34 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000917150842.01f022d0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:11:46 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Drive in UltraSlimBay in 600E In-Reply-To: <39C515BF.EE1CA892@gate.net> References: <39C385C7.21011.2B1ECD@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: In my quest for cheap hard disks, I have found all sorts of errors on web sites with regards to the details on disks. Everything from rpm rates to size, thickness, weight and capacity. Basically, I've seen every possible parameter be wrong on one site or another. These days it REALLY pays to know what you are looking for exactly. Know the model number and basic relevant data on the item, because talking to a person at one of these sites will likely result in mis-information given to you, because they use the info they posted on their web sites and treat it as gospel... --STeve Andre' At 03:04 PM 9/17/00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >after the egghead site crashed TWO of my desktype boxes (probably >because i would not allow cookies and other stuff to be run on my >boxes), >i read the line on the close program box.. >it says something about a toshiba 19mm hard drive.. >a drive that thick won't fit the ultraslimbay.. period.. >toshiba has not made a 19mm drive for years AFAIK.. > >i don't trust or like egghead.. >in fact, way too many online merchants use and misuse the data they >harvest when you go to their web sites.. >i'm not saying egghead does this, but why did two boxes crash when i did >not accept their cookies and other 'implants'..?! > >Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > > > Somebody more knowledgeable than I.... > > > > Will this drive > > http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00049171/03366145.htm > > > > fit in the UltraSlimBay HD adapter in the 600E > > > > Thanks. > >-- >--- > >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net >open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? >sic transit gloria From cph Sun Sep 17 18:07:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA04895 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:07:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03920; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:04:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03731; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:04:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03717; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:04:05 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA10931; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:03:58 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000d01c020f3$2f31aba0$e28d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "Not Me" References: <3.0.5.32.20000917112927.0096cc60@pop.goamerica.net> Subject: Re: Need TP 560 Battery Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:03:46 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Used batteries are a bit of a crapshoot, especially Lithium Ion. (With NiMH or NiCad you can get a sense of the condition by using it once or twice; lithium ion are rated for some number of charges, say 500, and usually work well until just before complete failure). - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Not Me" To: ; Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 8:29 AM Subject: Re: Need TP 560 Battery > At 07:29 PM 9/16/2000 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: > >Has any one seen any good deals on TP 560 batteries? The going > price seems > >to be around $200 which is seems pretty steep since the machine > isn't worth > >much more then that. > > Look on ebay. > > Search on "thinkpad 560 battery" > > You'll find a lot of choices well under $100. > > > > ------ > I'll take the blame. > When they ask, "Who did it?" > Just say, "No Me." > From cph Sun Sep 17 18:16:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA04924 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:16:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04694; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:13:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04489; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04448; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:13:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:13:03 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA10972; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:12:52 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001901c020f4$6e86a200$e28d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , Cc: References: <39C385C7.21011.2B1ECD@localhost> <39C515BF.EE1CA892@gate.net> Subject: Re: Drive in UltraSlimBay in 600E Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 12:12:50 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > after the egghead site crashed TWO of my desktype boxes (probably > because i would not allow cookies and other stuff to be run on my > boxes), [...] > why did two boxes crash when i did > not accept their cookies and other 'implants'..?! Probably time to reinstall your browser. I'm on full security maximum (cookie blocking software + script blocking software + anonymizer + firewall + working through a proxy server) and rarely have problems with Egghead's site. However, their reliability as a merchant really depends on whether you're actually buying >from them, or through one of their in-house merchants. I've had bad luck with egghead-as-merchant, some terrible luck with some of their "superstores" (e.g., Royal), and great luck with others (notably IBM, whose auctions through egghead are often a great deal). - David R. From cph Sun Sep 17 18:47:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA05109 for ; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:47:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA06271; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:44:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05995; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:44:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05981; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:44:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail0.mailsender.net (209.132.1.30 -> mail0.mailsender.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 18:44:32 -0400 Received: from [216.126.181.50] (216.126.181.50) by mail0.mailsender.net (5.1.039) id 39C268630005E4D8; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:42:05 -0700 X-Sender: bosslady%msgeek.com@mail.msgeek.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <39C515BF.EE1CA892@gate.net> References: <39C385C7.21011.2B1ECD@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 15:44:14 -0700 To: penzance@gate.net, chuck@ccncn.org From: Michelle Klein-Hass Subject: Re: Drive in UltraSlimBay in 600E Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: >i don't trust or like egghead.. I don't trust them either. They misrepresented a Thinkpad 365X as a 365XD, then only offered $75 towards getting me my needed CD-ROM drive. I took the money since I absolutely fell in love with the little machine and didn't want to send it back, but I will NEVER buy anything from Egghead again. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 -- bosslady@msgeek.com Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! Coming soon: MsGeek.Org -- At last, a geek news site FOR US! Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Mon Sep 18 00:02:18 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA06394 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:02:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22323; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:00:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:54:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21574; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:54:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21553; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 17 Sep 2000 23:54:02 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUAOROJK4G8WXH29@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:57:29 CST Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:57:29 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: get free external zip 250 drive To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: when you buy any intel based pc (desktop or thinkpad) 1) call 1-800-shop-ibm 2) mention code 7708 expires sept 30 2000 From cph Mon Sep 18 06:07:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA07729 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:07:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20966; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:04:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20758; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:04:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20745; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:04:19 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA12481 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:04:14 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <013f01c02157$ca3339c0$0662183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: [TPall, mainly 560] Laptop case suggestions Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 00:04:07 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I need a new case for our new 560X. While I have been using Silicon Sports Wetsuits for years, including on our other 560, I'm not happy with the protection along the edges, where the 560 is quite vulnerable. On the other hand, I love the light weight (1/2 pound or so) of the wetsuits, and don't want anything much heavier. I've done some searching, and the absolutely immutable requirement that the case be under 3 pounds (preferably under 2 pounds) knocks out most of the obvious choices, e.g. most bags by Targus et al, also the otherwise nice Tumi cases. I also prefer either real leather or canvas to faux leather, which eliminates some of the lighter Port cases (which are made of 'koskin' - I wonder what kind of beast the 'ko' is supposed to be?) Tenba also makes a couple of cases under 2 pounds, but they seem relatively flimsy to me (though I do know people who swear by their camera cases). In fact, my list so far consists only of: (1) The Port/IBM leather portfolio case for the 560; (2) the Brenthaven 'Glove' case; (3) Tom Bihn's 'Cafe' case; and (4) the Shaun Jackson 'Lapdog'. My questions are: (a) Am I missing any obvious candidates? The above selection seems meager. (b) How is the edge protection on the Port case (ditto for the 'Cafe')? (c) How well does the Brenthaven fit the 560? (Does it rattle around in the laptop sleeve part?) (d) Does anyone here have any experience at all with the Lapdog? It looks very nifty, but I wonder about fit, quality of the cushioning, and how easy it would be to use on a cluttered desk (e.g., does the notebook affix to the case, or can it be easily removed?) BTW, I'm interested only in briefcase-style with a shoulder strap, not a backpack, and the weight is a very big issue. Thanks in advance for any suggestions. - David R. From cph Mon Sep 18 06:45:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA07957 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:45:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22356; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:43:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:42:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22200; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:42:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22187; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:42:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:42:08 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a158.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.159]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA03914; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009181042.GAA03914@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a158.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.159] 209.198.113.159 Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 06:32:13 -0400 To: "David Ross" , In-Reply-To: <000d01c020f3$2f31aba0$e28d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Need TP 560 Battery X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 List-Unsubscribe: David Ross" said: >Used batteries are a bit of a crapshoot, especially Lithium Ion. (With NiMH >or NiCad you can get a sense of the >condition by using it once or twice; lithium ion are rated for some number of >charges, say 500, and usually work >well until just before complete failure). Thanks for the tip. I had wondered if they just fail as this one did. Second questions on the 560 -- for anyone who knows. I had this machine running on AC yesterday getting it set up so a friend could really use it, when it simply shut down. Twice when is was sitting there idle and once when the lid was closed. In each case there was no stress on the machine, (no one was touching it) so I don't expect to find a mechanical problem with the power connector. Has anyone else seem this behavior before? ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Mon Sep 18 07:08:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA07990 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 07:08:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23513; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 07:07:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 07:05:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23394; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 07:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snorre.uninett.no (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23381; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 07:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from snorre.uninett.no (158.38.60.82 -> snorre-jobb.uninett.no) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 07:05:07 -0400 Received: from snorre.uninett.no (IDENT:oak@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by snorre.uninett.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA01231 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:05:05 +0200 Message-Id: <200009181105.NAA01231@snorre.uninett.no> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.1.1 10/15/1999 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Olav.Kvittem@uninett.no Subject: Thinkpad 600 with 1152x768 external Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed ; boundary="==_Exmh_-5341066700" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:05:05 +0200 Sender: oak@snorre.uninett.no List-Unsubscribe: This is a multipart MIME message. --==_Exmh_-5341066700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, I am struggeling to get my thinkpad 600 do more than 1024x768 (lcd dimension) on an external screen. Anyone that has made it - and will share the XF86Config ? I am 2MB memory and is using 16 bpp. Olav --==_Exmh_-5341066700 Content-Type: text/plain ; name="XF86Config"; charset=us-ascii Content-Description: XF86Config Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="XF86Config" # File generated by XConfigurator. # ********************************************************************** # Refer to the XF86Config(4/5) man page for details about the format of # this file. # ********************************************************************** # ********************************************************************** # Files section. This allows default font and rgb paths to be set # ********************************************************************** Section "Files" # The location of the RGB database. Note, this is the name of the # file minus the extension (like ".txt" or ".db"). There is normally # no need to change the default. RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb" # Multiple FontPath entries are allowed (they are concatenated together) # By default, Red Hat 6.0 and later now use a font server independent of # the X server to render fonts. FontPath "unix/:-1" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Server flags section. # ********************************************************************** Section "ServerFlags" # Uncomment this to cause a core dump at the spot where a signal is # received. This may leave the console in an unusable state, but may # provide a better stack trace in the core dump to aid in debugging #NoTrapSignals # Uncomment this to disable the server abort sequence # This allows clients to receive this key event. #DontZap # Uncomment this to disable the / mode switching # sequences. This allows clients to receive these key events. #DontZoom EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Input devices # ********************************************************************** # ********************************************************************** # Keyboard section # ********************************************************************** Section "Keyboard" Protocol "Standard" # when using XQUEUE, comment out the above line, and uncomment the # following line #Protocol "Xqueue" AutoRepeat 500 5 # Let the server do the NumLock processing. This should only be # required when using pre-R6 clients #ServerNumLock # Specify which keyboard LEDs can be user-controlled (eg, with xset(1)) #Xleds 1 2 3 #To set the LeftAlt to Meta, RightAlt key to ModeShift, #RightCtl key to Compose, and ScrollLock key to ModeLock: LeftAlt Meta RightAlt ModeShift ScrollLock Compose RightCtl Control # To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable. # XkbDisable # To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the # lines below (which are the defaults). For example, for a non-U.S. # keyboard, you will probably want to use: # XkbModel "pc102" # If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use: # XkbModel "microsoft" # # Then to change the language, change the Layout setting. # For example, a german layout can be obtained with: # XkbLayout "de" # or: # XkbLayout "de" # XkbVariant "nodeadkeys" # # If you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and # control keys, use: # XkbOptions "ctrl:swapcaps" # These are the default XKB settings for XFree86 XkbRules "xfree86" XkbModel "pc101" XkbLayout "no" XkbVariant "" XkbOptions "" # XkbKeycodes "xfree86" # XkbTypes "default" # XkbCompat "default" # XkbSymbols "us(pc101)" # XkbGeometry "pc" # XkbRules "xfree86" # XkbModel "pc101" # XkbLayout "us" EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Pointer section # ********************************************************************** Section "Pointer" Protocol "PS/2" Device "/dev/mouse" # When using XQUEUE, comment out the above two lines, and uncomment # the following line. # Protocol "Xqueue" # Baudrate and SampleRate are only for some Logitech mice # BaudRate 9600 # SampleRate 150 # Emulate3Buttons is an option for 2-button Microsoft mice # Emulate3Timeout is the timeout in milliseconds (default is 50ms) # Emulate3Buttons # Emulate3Timeout 50 # ChordMiddle is an option for some 3-button Logitech mice # ChordMiddle EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Monitor section # ********************************************************************** # Any number of monitor sections may be present Section "Monitor" Identifier "LCD Panel 1024x768" VendorName "Unknown" ModelName "Unknown" # HorizSync is in kHz unless units are specified. # HorizSync may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. # HorizSync 30-58 HorizSync 30-95 # VertRefresh is in Hz unless units are specified. # VertRefresh may be a comma separated list of discrete values, or a # comma separated list of ranges of values. # NOTE: THE VALUES HERE ARE EXAMPLES ONLY. REFER TO YOUR MONITOR'S # USER MANUAL FOR THE CORRECT NUMBERS. VertRefresh 50-160 # Modes can be specified in two formats. A compact one-line format, or # a multi-line format. # These two are equivalent # ModeLine "1024x768i" 45 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817 Interlace # Mode "1024x768i" # DotClock 45 # HTimings 1024 1048 1208 1264 # VTimings 768 776 784 817 # Flags "Interlace" # EndMode # This is a set of standard mode timings. Modes that are out of monitor spec # are automatically deleted by the server (provided the HorizSync and # VertRefresh lines are correct), so there's no immediate need to # delete mode timings (unless particular mode timings don't work on your # monitor). With these modes, the best standard mode that your monitor # and video card can support for a given resolution is automatically # used. # 640x400 @ 70 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync Modeline "640x400" 25.175 640 664 760 800 400 409 411 450 # 640x480 @ 60 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync Modeline "640x480" 25.175 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525 ModeLine "800x600" 39.76 800 832 928 976 600 612 620 642 # 800x600 @ 56 Hz, 35.15 kHz hsync ModeLine "800x600-36" 36 800 824 896 1024 600 601 603 625 # 1024x768 @ 87 Hz interlaced, 35.5 kHz hsync Modeline "1024x768" 44.9 1024 1048 1208 1264 768 776 784 817 Interlace # 640x400 @ 85 Hz, 37.86 kHz hsync Modeline "640x400" 31.5 640 672 736 832 400 401 404 445 -HSync +VSync # 640x480 @ 72 Hz, 36.5 kHz hsync Modeline "640x480" 31.5 640 680 720 864 480 488 491 521 # 640x480 @ 75 Hz, 37.50 kHz hsync ModeLine "640x480" 31.5 640 656 720 840 480 481 484 500 -HSync -VSync # 800x600 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync Modeline "800x600-40" 40 800 840 968 1056 600 601 605 628 +hsync +vsync # 640x480 @ 85 Hz, 43.27 kHz hsync Modeline "640x480" 36 640 696 752 832 480 481 484 509 -HSync -VSync # 1152x864 @ 89 Hz interlaced, 44 kHz hsync ModeLine "1152x864" 65 1152 1168 1384 1480 864 865 875 985 Interlace # 800x600 @ 72 Hz, 48.0 kHz hsync Modeline "800x600-50" 50 800 856 976 1040 600 637 643 666 +hsync +vsync # 1024x768 @ 60 Hz, 48.4 kHz hsync Modeline "1024x768" 65 1024 1032 1176 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 640x480 @ 100 Hz, 53.01 kHz hsync Modeline "640x480" 45.8 640 672 768 864 480 488 494 530 -HSync -VSync # 1152x864 @ 60 Hz, 53.5 kHz hsync Modeline "1152x864" 89.9 1152 1216 1472 1680 864 868 876 892 -HSync -VSync # 800x600 @ 85 Hz, 55.84 kHz hsync # Modeline "800x600" 60.75 800 864 928 1088 600 616 621 657 -HSync -VSync # 1024x768 @ 70 Hz, 56.5 kHz hsync Modeline "1024x768" 75 1024 1048 1184 1328 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync # 1280x1024 @ 87 Hz interlaced, 51 kHz hsync Modeline "1280x1024" 80 1280 1296 1512 1568 1024 1025 1037 1165 Interlace # 800x600 @ 100 Hz, 64.02 kHz hsync Modeline "800x600" 69.65 800 864 928 1088 600 604 610 640 -HSync -VSync # 1024x768 @ 76 Hz, 62.5 kHz hsync Modeline "1024x768" 85 1024 1032 1152 1360 768 784 787 823 # 1152x864 @ 70 Hz, 62.4 kHz hsync Modeline "1152x864" 92 1152 1208 1368 1474 864 865 875 895 # 1280x1024 @ 61 Hz, 64.2 kHz hsync Modeline "1280x1024" 110 1280 1328 1512 1712 1024 1025 1028 1054 # 1024x768 @ 85 Hz, 70.24 kHz hsync Modeline "1024x768" 98.9 1024 1056 1216 1408 768 782 788 822 -HSync -VSync # 1152x864 @ 78 Hz, 70.8 kHz hsync Modeline "1152x864" 110 1152 1240 1324 1552 864 864 876 908 # 1280x1024 @ 70 Hz, 74.59 kHz hsync Modeline "1280x1024" 126.5 1280 1312 1472 1696 1024 1032 1040 1068 -HSync -VSync # 1600x1200 @ 60Hz, 75.00 kHz hsync Modeline "1600x1200" 162 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +HSync +VSync # 1152x864 @ 84 Hz, 76.0 kHz hsync Modeline "1152x864" 135 1152 1464 1592 1776 864 864 876 908 # 1280x1024 @ 74 Hz, 78.85 kHz hsync Modeline "1280x1024" 135 1280 1312 1456 1712 1024 1027 1030 1064 # 1024x768 @ 100Hz, 80.21 kHz hsync Modeline "1024x768" 115.5 1024 1056 1248 1440 768 771 781 802 -HSync -VSync # 1280x1024 @ 76 Hz, 81.13 kHz hsync Modeline "1280x1024" 135 1280 1312 1416 1664 1024 1027 1030 1064 ModeLine "1280x1024-135" 135 1280 1328 1408 1688 1024 1025 1026 1060 # 1600x1200 @ 70 Hz, 87.50 kHz hsync Modeline "1600x1200" 189 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 -HSync -VSync # 1152x864 @ 100 Hz, 89.62 kHz hsync Modeline "1152x864" 137.65 1152 1184 1312 1536 864 866 885 902 -HSync -VSync # 1280x1024 @ 85 Hz, 91.15 kHz hsync Modeline "1280x1024" 157.5 1280 1344 1504 1728 1024 1025 1028 1072 +HSync +VSync # 1600x1200 @ 75 Hz, 93.75 kHz hsync Modeline "1600x1200" 202.5 1600 1664 1856 2160 1200 1201 1204 1250 +HSync +VSync # 1600x1200 @ 85 Hz, 105.77 kHz hsync Modeline "1600x1200" 220 1600 1616 1808 2080 1200 1204 1207 1244 +HSync +VSync # 1280x1024 @ 100 Hz, 107.16 kHz hsync Modeline "1280x1024" 181.75 1280 1312 1440 1696 1024 1031 1046 1072 -HSync -VSync # 1800x1440 @ 64Hz, 96.15 kHz hsync ModeLine "1800X1440" 230 1800 1896 2088 2392 1440 1441 1444 1490 +HSync +VSync # 1800x1440 @ 70Hz, 104.52 kHz hsync ModeLine "1800X1440" 250 1800 1896 2088 2392 1440 1441 1444 1490 +HSync +VSync # 512x384 @ 78 Hz, 31.50 kHz hsync Modeline "512x384" 20.160 512 528 592 640 384 385 388 404 -HSync -VSync # 512x384 @ 85 Hz, 34.38 kHz hsync Modeline "512x384" 22 512 528 592 640 384 385 388 404 -HSync -VSync # Low-res Doublescan modes # If your chipset does not support doublescan, you get a 'squashed' # resolution like 320x400. # 320x200 @ 70 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync, 8:5 aspect ratio Modeline "320x200" 12.588 320 336 384 400 200 204 205 225 Doublescan # 320x240 @ 60 Hz, 31.5 kHz hsync, 4:3 aspect ratio Modeline "320x240" 12.588 320 336 384 400 240 245 246 262 Doublescan # 320x240 @ 72 Hz, 36.5 kHz hsync Modeline "320x240" 15.750 320 336 384 400 240 244 246 262 Doublescan # 400x300 @ 56 Hz, 35.2 kHz hsync, 4:3 aspect ratio ModeLine "400x300" 18 400 416 448 512 300 301 302 312 Doublescan # 400x300 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync Modeline "400x300" 20 400 416 480 528 300 301 303 314 Doublescan # 400x300 @ 72 Hz, 48.0 kHz hsync Modeline "400x300" 25 400 424 488 520 300 319 322 333 Doublescan # 480x300 @ 56 Hz, 35.2 kHz hsync, 8:5 aspect ratio ModeLine "480x300" 21.656 480 496 536 616 300 301 302 312 Doublescan # 480x300 @ 60 Hz, 37.8 kHz hsync Modeline "480x300" 23.890 480 496 576 632 300 301 303 314 Doublescan # 480x300 @ 63 Hz, 39.6 kHz hsync Modeline "480x300" 25 480 496 576 632 300 301 303 314 Doublescan # 480x300 @ 72 Hz, 48.0 kHz hsync Modeline "480x300" 29.952 480 504 584 624 300 319 322 333 Doublescan EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Graphics device section # ********************************************************************** # Any number of graphics device sections may be present Section "Device" Identifier "Generic VGA" VendorName "Unknown" BoardName "Unknown" Chipset "generic" # VideoRam 256 # Clocks 25.2 28.3 EndSection # Device configured by Xconfigurator: Section "Device" Identifier "Neomagic Corporation|NM2160 [MagicGraph 128XD]" VendorName "Unknown" BoardName "Unknown" #VideoRam 2048 # Chipset "NM2160" # IOBase 0xfea00000 # MemBase 0xfd000000 # VideoRam 2048 # DacSpeed 90 # Option "linear" # Option "nolinear" # Option "sw_cursor" # Option "hw_cursor" # Option "no_accel" Option "intern_disp" Option "extern_disp" # Option "mmio" # Option "no_mmio" Option "lcd_center" # Option "no_stretch" # Insert Clocks lines here if appropriate EndSection # ********************************************************************** # Screen sections # ********************************************************************** # The Colour SVGA server Section "Screen" Driver "svga" # Use Device "Generic VGA" for Standard VGA 320x200x256 #Device "Generic VGA" Device "Neomagic Corporation|NM2160 [MagicGraph 128XD]" Monitor "LCD Panel 1024x768" Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" "800x600" "800x600-40" "640x480" "1280x1024-135" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection # The 16-color VGA server Section "Screen" Driver "vga16" Device "Generic VGA" Monitor "LCD Panel 1024x768" Subsection "Display" Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection # The Mono server Section "Screen" Driver "vga2" Device "Generic VGA" Monitor "LCD Panel 1024x768" Subsection "Display" Modes "640x480" "800x600" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection # The accelerated servers (S3, Mach32, Mach8, 8514, P9000, AGX, W32, Mach64 # I128, and S3V) Section "Screen" Driver "accel" Device "Neomagic Corporation|NM2160 [MagicGraph 128XD]" Monitor "LCD Panel 1024x768" Subsection "Display" Depth 16 Modes "1024x768" ViewPort 0 0 EndSubsection EndSection --==_Exmh_-5341066700-- From cph Mon Sep 18 13:07:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA09905 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:07:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22373; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:05:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:03:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22058; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22044; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009181703.NAA22044@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.35 -> out5.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:03:12 -0400 Received: from slip-32-100-244-50.ma.us.prserv.net ([32.100.244.50]) by prserv.net (out5) with SMTP id <2000091817030920504c90uhe>; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:03:10 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "Jon" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Cc: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 00 13:03:04 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: get free external zip 250 drive List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:57:29 -0600 (CST), Jon wrote: >when you buy any intel based pc (desktop or thinkpad) >1) call 1-800-shop-ibm >2) mention code 7708 >expires sept 30 2000 The 800 # (from Boston) rings at Pilgrim Phone Sex. Can some kind soul provide a better pointer to this IBM offer? (Or confirm that Jon is having a little fun with us?) Tks Jeffrey Race From cph Mon Sep 18 13:32:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA10188 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:32:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24656; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:28:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24469; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.aros.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24449; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:28:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.aros.net (207.173.16.20 -> mail.aros.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:28:20 -0400 Received: from kalynda (dm3-110.slc.aros.net [207.173.25.110]) by mail.aros.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA37773 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:28:18 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <200009181728.LAA37773@mail.aros.net> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:26:06 -0600 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760E Max HD size X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.61 b61 List-Unsubscribe: Just wondering what it is that limits the size of the HD in a 760E to 6.4Gigs Anyone have the techincal reason why it cannot use a larger drive? Thanks, John From cph Mon Sep 18 13:41:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA10267 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:41:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25924; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:37:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25710; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:37:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25696; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:37:07 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUBHI5PDGW8WXC0V@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:40:35 CST Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:40:33 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Re: get free external zip 250 drive In-reply-to: <01JUBGCJD3JO8WXIZG@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I am sorry the correct number is 1-888-shopibm ! must have overlooked the 1-800 thing !!! pilgram phone sex ??? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :p As most of oyu already know, i have no bad intention against this user list nor do i make a single cent from these postings. On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote: > On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:57:29 -0600 (CST), Jon wrote: > >when you buy any intel based pc (desktop or thinkpad) > >1) call 1-800-shop-ibm >2) mention code 7708 >expires sept 30 2000 > > The 800 # (from Boston) rings at Pilgrim Phone Sex. > > Can some kind soul provide a better pointer to this IBM offer? > (Or confirm that Jon is having a little fun with us?) > > Tks > Jeffrey Race > > > > From cph Mon Sep 18 14:53:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA10987 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:53:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02790; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:50:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:47:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02530; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02506; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.103 -> pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:47:55 -0400 Received: from CHUCK (adsl-63-198-206-202.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.206.202]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8IIlhZ180834 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:47:43 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:47:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Diagnostics of HDD in UltraBay Reply-to: cblaisd@tdl.com Message-ID: <39C600DD.1206.9BCAD@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: I know that there is a guru on this list who knows the answer (and I promise I won't even mention the "Eggehead" word again). I purchased the HDD adapter for the UltraSlimBay for my 600E. Powering up the computer with the extra laptop drive I have installed in the UltraBay makes for the longest boot time. Then, there is no new drive listed in My Computer. So, I booted again and this time ran the diagnostics on what does indeed show up in the diagnostics as HDD-2 After doing so, there is a big red X beside HDD-2, and underneath is this: DEV 151 ERR 22 FRU 6210 Does this mean that the Hard drive in the UltraBay is simply dead? Thanks! Chuck Blaisdell Regional Minister-President Christian Church of Northern California-Nevada http://www.ccncn.org Personal email chuck@blaisdells.net Office email chuck@ccncn.org ICQ 34236351 AOL Instant Messenger CRBCRB Office Fax 925-556-9900 Personal Fax/Voice Mail 925-397-3049 Office Phone 925-556-9900 From cph Mon Sep 18 16:51:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA12057 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:51:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15100; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:41:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:39:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14691; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:39:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14637; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:39:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:39:13 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.27.202.7 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 13:38:18 -0700 Message-ID: <002401c021b0$ddcc7a60$07ca1b3f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: stuff for free Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 15:41:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I got a bent up 560 keyboard, but all the keys are there but the trackpoint and the mouse keys. If you have a 560 missing a key I'd be glad to send it to you, otherwise it's on the way to the dumpster. Booger From cph Mon Sep 18 17:41:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA12476 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:41:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21949; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:38:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21662; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:38:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21631; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:38:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net (206.81.192.4 -> sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:38:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 98514 invoked by alias); 18 Sep 2000 21:38:26 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 98396 invoked by uid 0); 18 Sep 2000 21:38:24 -0000 Received: from sttl6400gw3poola16.sttl.uswest.net (HELO jmcjr) (63.225.173.16) by sttlpop4.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 18 Sep 2000 21:38:24 -0000 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20000918143451.009624a0@pop.goamerica.net> X-Sender: goa4500400231@pop.goamerica.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 14:34:51 -0700 To: "David Ross" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, "Not Me" From: Not Me Subject: Re: Need TP 560 Battery In-Reply-To: <000d01c020f3$2f31aba0$e28d273f@math.hawaii.edu> References: <3.0.5.32.20000917112927.0096cc60@pop.goamerica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Dave, thanks for mentioning the risk of buying used batteries. I wouldn't buy a used battery for a ThinkPad. I neglected to mention that. At least some of the batteries on ebay are advertised as new in the box. Those are the ones I have bid one. A few months ago I bought a new battery for my 600E on ebay for about $80. It arrived brand new in the IBM box just as promised and works perfectly. I've found ebay a good source for computer accessories for both my ThinkPads and my Toshiba laptops. As always, caveat emptor. I always check a seller's feedback before bidding. At 12:03 PM 9/17/00 -1000, David Ross wrote: >Used batteries are a bit of a crapshoot, especially Lithium Ion. (With NiMH >or NiCad you can get a sense of the >condition by using it once or twice; lithium ion are rated for some number >of charges, say 500, and usually work >well until just before complete failure). > >- David R. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Not Me" >To: ; >Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2000 8:29 AM >Subject: Re: Need TP 560 Battery > > >> At 07:29 PM 9/16/2000 -0400, letoured@sover.net wrote: >> >Has any one seen any good deals on TP 560 batteries? The going >> price seems >> >to be around $200 which is seems pretty steep since the machine >> isn't worth >> >much more then that. >> >> Look on ebay. >> >> Search on "thinkpad 560 battery" >> >> You'll find a lot of choices well under $100. >> >> >> >> ------ >> I'll take the blame. >> When they ask, "Who did it?" >> Just say, "No Me." >> > > > From cph Mon Sep 18 17:51:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA12539 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:51:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23507; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:47:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23246; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:47:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23228; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:47:12 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA14639 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:47:09 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002101c021b9$fe71a160$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: <3.0.5.32.20000917112927.0096cc60@pop.goamerica.net> <3.0.5.32.20000918143451.009624a0@pop.goamerica.net> Subject: Re: Need TP 560 Battery Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 11:47:08 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > Dave, thanks for mentioning the risk of buying used batteries. > > I wouldn't buy a used battery for a ThinkPad. I neglected to mention > that. I have to confess to having once sold a used 701 battery to someone on this list, but I *think* I was pretty clear as to the condition and risks - at least, the buyer still seems willing to talk to me (eh, BD?-) Back when MicroWarehouse had their amazing $25/per deal on 560 batteries, I bought 2, but ended up giving one to a friend. Now that I have 2 560s, I wish I had bought more. I'l bet that some of these have shown up since on ebay for rather more than $25! - David From cph Mon Sep 18 17:53:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA12559 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:53:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24064; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:50:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23725; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:50:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23648; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 17:50:14 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUBQCWDZ6O8WXJW2@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:53:37 CST Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 16:53:37 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: APC UPS350 for $28.99 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: get to your t1 line,dsl,cable modem log into www.staples.com look for apc back-ups office 350 use coupon # 90771 Order that sucker in $83.99 - $25 staples coupon - $30.00 APC rebate = $28.99 If you have the $$$ to invest, you can easily double your money 100% return by buying more and EBAYING the stuff. Where do you think those fellas got so many stuff to auction off anyways ! Have fun. From cph Mon Sep 18 18:10:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA12743 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:10:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26088; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:06:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25818; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:06:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25805; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:06:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 18:06:54 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA14729; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:06:44 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002701c021bc$bb236080$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Jon" , References: Subject: Re: APC UPS350 for $28.99 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 12:06:43 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Staples has a reputation for not honoring coupons, even when the online ordering mechanism seems to accept them. There is rather a big thread on this at dealchat.com; many people there used such coupons, and only discovered that the coupon was rejected when the order actually arrived with an invoice for the full (undiscounted) amount. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon" To: Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 12:53 PM Subject: APC UPS350 for $28.99 > get to your t1 line,dsl,cable modem > log into www.staples.com > look for apc back-ups office 350 > use coupon # 90771 > Order that sucker in > > $83.99 - $25 staples coupon - $30.00 APC rebate = $28.99 > > > If you have the $$$ to invest, you can easily double your money 100% > return by buying more and EBAYING the stuff. Where do you think those > fellas got so many stuff to auction off anyways ! > > Have fun. > > From cph Mon Sep 18 22:23:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA14632 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:23:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18409; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:21:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:18:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18061; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:18:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18046; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:18:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:18:28 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p43.hwts22.loop.net [207.211.65.106]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA53813 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Message-Id: <200009190218.TAA53813@stevie.loop.com> Message-Id: <200009190218.TAA53813@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" Resent-From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" X-Original-To: "Code0 Networks" Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 19:19:58 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP730T] Anyone have the DOS pen drivers? List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 10 Sep 2000 09:46:47 -0500, Code0 Networks wrote: >I recently removed Win95 from my 730T and installed OpenDOS 7.01/Win3.1 >w/pen (BIG improvement and with no floppy drive!). Anyway, I do not have a >copy of the DOS pen drivers and was wondering if anyone out there could send >them to me. The DOS pen drivers AFAIK only come with PC-DOS 6.3 and 7.0. You might be able to install it on another machine, and then copy over the directories and CONFIG.SYS entries to your HD, or over a laplink compatible cable, otherwise, you can not get them standalone. Paul From cph Mon Sep 18 23:23:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA14934 for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:23:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23745; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:20:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:18:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23275; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:18:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23253; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 18 Sep 2000 23:18:48 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUC1THBB2U8WXKQ1@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:22:20 CST Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:22:20 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Re: APC UPS350 for $28.99 In-reply-to: <002701c021bc$bb236080$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> To: David Ross Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: WHen you go for online deals, oyu got a lot of youngsters messing around otherwise a perfect deal. case with staples is that people stack their coupons up which is never allowed anyway. i got my $30 davinci pds from staples no problem, i got my $20 leather laptop briefcase (retail 80) with no problem and just recently i got a $35 leather attache briefcase (retial $120) from staples with no problem. Just do not stack staples coupons up and there is no reason why staples would not honor their coupons. p/s: also another bad habit of online deals, they run around matching prices getting 150 % lowe price guarentee (officemax, best buy ..etc) and then put in their stack of coupons. That is where the troubles come in & that is why i dont get my source from those web pages. Usually web pages advertised their coupons ...etc making them widely available and Forcing staples to dishonor them. On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, David Ross wrote: > Staples has a reputation for not honoring coupons, even when the online > ordering mechanism seems to accept them. There > is rather a big thread on this at dealchat.com; many people there used such > coupons, and only discovered that the coupon was rejected when the order > actually arrived with an invoice for the full (undiscounted) amount. > > - David R. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jon" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 12:53 PM > Subject: APC UPS350 for $28.99 > > > > get to your t1 line,dsl,cable modem > > log into www.staples.com > > look for apc back-ups office 350 > > use coupon # 90771 > > Order that sucker in > > > > $83.99 - $25 staples coupon - $30.00 APC rebate = $28.99 > > > > > > If you have the $$$ to invest, you can easily double your money 100% > > return by buying more and EBAYING the stuff. Where do you think those > > fellas got so many stuff to auction off anyways ! > > > > Have fun. > > > > > > From cph Tue Sep 19 00:12:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA15250 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:12:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27896; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:09:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:06:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27585; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:06:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA27571; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:05:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:05:53 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a3.pm3-31.theriver.com [206.102.195.163]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7867525DAF; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:02:53 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <39C6E67C.57125E9C@theriver.com> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 21:07:24 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: jbrush@aros.net Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760E Max HD size References: <200009181728.LAA37773@mail.aros.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: jbrush@aros.net wrote: > > Just wondering what it is that limits the size of the HD in a 760E to > 6.4Gigs > > Anyone have the techincal reason why it cannot use a larger drive? > It has something to do with the maximum number of cylinders (tracks) x the number of addressable sectors x sector size x the number of heads per cylinder. This was the reason that older IDE systems could only address 528MB. I forget what the maximums are, but there are ways of "soft" extending the size, but I would not recommend them in a laptop. James From cph Tue Sep 19 02:43:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA16146 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:43:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06827; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:39:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06458; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06445; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:39:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:39:06 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA16462; Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:38:52 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001b01c02204$47c3c600$a662183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Jon" Cc: References: Subject: Re: APC UPS350 for $28.99 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 20:38:37 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > i got my $30 davinci pds from staples no problem [etc] I'm glad to hear that; I 'm always glad when a list regular gets a good deal. W/r to Staples problems, I'm only reporting what I've read - but I've seen enough of these reports to not use them myself! > Just do not stack staples coupons up and there is no reason why staples > would not honor their coupons. The complaints I saw did not mention stacking. In any event, Staples seems to get many more complaints w/r to not honoring coupons than any other merchant in the category; I would assume that customers were trying no harder to take advantage of the Staples deals than they were of the others. > Usually web pages > advertised their coupons ...etc making them widely available and Forcing > staples to dishonor them. Nobody forces Staples to do anything except Staples. They could simply do what all the other merchants who offer online coupons do, viz. honor them, or not offer them in the first place. BTW, the coupon code you offered (90771) is at several coupon web sites, e.g. www.fatwallet.com. I do hope it works. Really! - David R. From cph Tue Sep 19 04:07:01 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA16523 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 04:07:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10966; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 04:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 04:01:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10491; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 04:01:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA10473; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 04:01:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (24.30.163.11 -> laxmls02.socal.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 04:01:12 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (sc-24-24-233-88.socal.rr.com [24.24.233.88]) by laxmls02.socal.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8J80Df23187 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 01:00:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: mikeford@pop-server.socal.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20000918143451.009624a0@pop.goamerica.net> References: <000d01c020f3$2f31aba0$e28d273f@math.hawaii.edu> <3.0.5.32.20000917112927.0096cc60@pop.goamerica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 00:39:08 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: Need TP 560 Battery List-Unsubscribe: I live near "The NiCad Lady", so my choice is to let her rebuild battery packs if new ones are too expensive. That way you get really fresh cells, not some pack that has sat on a shelf for a few years (which has somewhat unpredictable results, some ok, others not so ok.) The string in quotes should find her web site via most search engines. From cph Tue Sep 19 05:32:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA16824 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:32:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19169; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:28:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18983; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:28:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA18969; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:28:36 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-104.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.104]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e8J9SX500594 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:28:33 -0700 Message-ID: <39C731BB.5D09E20E@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 04:28:27 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: 760ED: Video problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: My girlfriend's 760ED is acting up. The video has red fringes. It sort of resembles when a conventional monitor has convergence problems. It is not fixed to any certain screen position and it looks like a line of red pixels shows up in places where black touches other colors. Anyone seen this before? Is the video card going bad? She said it's done it before after the machine has heated up, but now it's doing it all the time. The 760ED comes awful close to getting hot enough on the bottom to burn flesh, even WITH the foam pad on the bottom. I'm thinking about replacing it with a 560 or 560E since the 560 I used to have, and the 560X I have now, run fairly cool. The bottom barely gets lukewarm even after been in use all day. Not to mention the 560 series is half the weight and half the thickness. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Sep 19 05:37:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA16841 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:37:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19697; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:35:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:34:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19478; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:34:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19465; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:34:20 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-104.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.104]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e8J9Y9500884; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:34:10 -0700 Message-ID: <39C7330C.BCFCE844@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 04:34:04 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: letoured@sover.net CC: David Ross , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP560 mysterious shutdown References: <200009181042.GAA03914@pike.sover.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: letoured@sover.net wrote: > > Second questions on the 560 -- for anyone who knows. I had this machine > running on AC yesterday getting it set up so a friend could really use it, > when it simply shut down. Twice when is was sitting there idle and once when > the lid was closed. > > In each case there was no stress on the machine, (no one was touching it) so I > don't expect to find a mechanical problem with the power connector. Has anyone > else seem this behavior before? Did you try tapping on the machine? If you tap on it fairly firmly and it shuts off, you probably have a problem with the connector on the DC-DC card. Unfortunately it is usually the motherboard end of the connector that has the problem, so replacing the DC-DC card doesn't usually work. At least that has been my personal experience with the 560 I used to have. BTW, I was able to repair it with some very delicate soldering. I'm just waiting for my 560X to do the same thing, because these 560's are sort of flimsy. They flex a lot from handling, I can hear the plastic parts shifting whenever I lift or pick up the machine. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Sep 19 05:40:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA16855 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:40:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20129; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:38:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA20001; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA19988; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 05:38:12 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-104.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.104]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e8J9c8501060; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 02:38:08 -0700 Message-ID: <39C733FB.76A67D97@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 04:38:03 -0500 From: "Shawn R. Lin" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: APC UPS350 for $28.99 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Jon wrote: > > get to your t1 line,dsl,cable modem > log into www.staples.com > look for apc back-ups office 350 > use coupon # 90771 > Order that sucker in > > $83.99 - $25 staples coupon - $30.00 APC rebate = $28.99 I need a UPS for my desktop machine so I tried to use this. Says they're Out of Stock, won't let me backorder it. OH WELL, guess I was too slow on this one. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Sep 19 06:32:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA17133 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:32:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24021; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:29:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23866; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pike.sover.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA23852; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:29:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from pike.sover.net (209.198.87.34 -> pike.sover.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:29:42 -0400 Received: from sover.net (arc1a114.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.115]) by pike.sover.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA09466 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009191029.GAA09466@pike.sover.net> Comments: SoVerNet Verification (on pike.sover.net) sover.net from arc1a114.bf.sover.net [209.198.113.115] 209.198.113.115 Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:29:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:20:21 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: Need TP 560 Battery X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.75a b75 List-Unsubscribe: In , on 09/19/00 at 12:39 AM, Mike Ford said: >I live near "The NiCad Lady", so my choice is to let her rebuild battery >packs if new ones are too expensive. That way you get really fresh cells, not >some pack that has sat on a shelf for a few years (which has somewhat >unpredictable results, some ok, others not so ok.) The string in quotes >should find her web site via most search engines. I checked just to see. Her price for the 560 battery is higher then new ones are selling for. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- letoured@sover.net ----------------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Sep 19 12:25:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA19089 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:25:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24460; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:24:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:22:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24181; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:22:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24159; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:22:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (129.250.36.41 -> dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:22:22 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13bQ9r-0002Bh-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:22:11 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.43] (helo=isdn30-43.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13bQ9q-0003Sl-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:22:10 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Need TP 560 Battery Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:20:14 -0500 Message-ID: <2h4fss43ea69i7ri4n96agm71q9jeu3n8r@4ax.com> References: <200009191029.GAA09466@pike.sover.net> In-Reply-To: <200009191029.GAA09466@pike.sover.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id MAA19090 On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 06:20:21 -0400, wrote: >I checked just to see. Her price for the 560 battery is higher then new ones >are selling for. Where are the best placed to buy? Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Tue Sep 19 13:07:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA19450 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:07:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00076; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:05:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:04:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29782; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:04:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post.queensu.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29750; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:03:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from post.queensu.ca (130.15.126.6 -> post.QueensU.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:03:57 -0400 Received: from hagers (U154.N160.QueensU.CA [130.15.160.154]) by post.queensu.ca (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8JH3sC06816 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000919130204.00797b60@pop1.sympatico.ca> X-Sender: b1ywov85@pop1.sympatico.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:02:04 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: hd in 385xd Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Was told in a computer store my thinkpad 385xd will not take larger than a 6ig hd. I dont believe this was right..seems I heard it can take larger, but cannot find the source of my information. Can anyone help? Will a 385xd take larger than 6. gig..and if so, is there a ceiling on the HD size? Thanks! From cph Tue Sep 19 13:18:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA19570 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:18:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01914; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:16:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:14:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01575; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01545; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:14:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net (129.250.36.44 -> dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:14:35 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.63] (helo=dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout4.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13bQyQ-00020O-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:14:26 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.43] (helo=isdn30-43.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp3.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13bQyP-00071O-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:14:25 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Need TP 560 Battery Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:12:25 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200009191029.GAA09466@pike.sover.net> <2h4fss43ea69i7ri4n96agm71q9jeu3n8r@4ax.com> <39C79C6A.EB4E0E5F@theriver.com> In-Reply-To: <39C79C6A.EB4E0E5F@theriver.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id NAA19571 On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:03:38 -0700, Ray Bay wrote: >There is no "best place"... just check the price The few times I have checked all prices have been in the $250 range. So I do not have a second battery but would like one. I can squeek about 2 hours out of my original with 50% cpu setting and LCD brightness all the way down. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Tue Sep 19 14:27:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA20099 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:27:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11216; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:24:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:22:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10825; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:22:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10811; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (24.30.163.11 -> laxmls02.socal.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:22:50 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (sc-24-24-233-88.socal.rr.com [24.24.233.88]) by laxmls02.socal.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8JILqf09209 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:21:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: mikeford@pop-server.socal.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <200009191029.GAA09466@pike.sover.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:16:57 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: Need TP 560 Battery List-Unsubscribe: >In , on 09/19/00 > at 12:39 AM, Mike Ford said: > >>I live near "The NiCad Lady", so my choice is to let her rebuild battery >>packs if new ones are too expensive. That way you get really fresh cells, not >>some pack that has sat on a shelf for a few years (which has somewhat >>unpredictable results, some ok, others not so ok.) The string in quotes >>should find her web site via most search engines. > >I checked just to see. Her price for the 560 battery is higher then new ones >are selling for. The prices on the web site are "replacement", you have to ask her to find out the rebuild price. I have no idea why she does it that way, confusing. Here is the URL while I'm there... http://www.nicdlady.com/laptop-ij.htm mailto:nicdlady@nicdlady.com From cph Tue Sep 19 14:52:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA20253 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:52:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14681; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:49:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:47:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14462; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:47:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14449; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:47:04 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA18120; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:46:59 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001801c02269$fd6d8ee0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "John Small" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <200009191029.GAA09466@pike.sover.net> <2h4fss43ea69i7ri4n96agm71q9jeu3n8r@4ax.com> <39C79C6A.EB4E0E5F@theriver.com> Subject: Re: Need TP 560 Battery Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 08:46:57 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: onvia.com has one (from BTI) for $176 incl. shipping. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Small" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 7:12 AM Subject: Re: Need TP 560 Battery > On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:03:38 -0700, Ray Bay wrote: > > >There is no "best place"... just check the price > > The few times I have checked all prices have been in the $250 range. So I do > not have a second battery but would like one. I can squeek about 2 hours out of > my original with 50% cpu setting and LCD brightness all the way down. > > -jts > ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C > From cph Tue Sep 19 14:59:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA20307 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:59:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16272; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:53:13 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15580; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:53:12 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id OAA01865 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29584; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:02:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.4 -> mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:02:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 10675 invoked by alias); 19 Sep 2000 16:48:30 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 11535 invoked by uid 0); 19 Sep 2000 16:32:43 -0000 Received: from dialupu92.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (207.109.17.92) by mplspop2.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 19 Sep 2000 16:32:43 -0000 Message-ID: <004701c02257$3fe70de0$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "Jon" , "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Cc: References: Subject: Re: get free external zip 250 drive Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:32:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: >From phonespell.org... SHOPIBM translates to 746-7426 and that gives us quite a few interesting possibilities. Phonespell does not know company names (like IBM), but it gives a few suggestive mnemonic results. ----- Original Message ----- > I am sorry the correct number is 1-888-shopibm ! must have overlooked the > 1-800 thing !!! > > pilgram phone sex ??? hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm :p From cph Tue Sep 19 15:08:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA20359 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:08:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17658; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:05:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:02:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17194; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17174; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:02:04 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.188] (helo=139-142-112-188.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13bSdl-000ACM-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:01:13 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP701] 701 User's Guide available digitally? Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:48:57 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: Lines: 43 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Is the 701 User's Guide available digitally? I have found the following, which are useful, but not what I want: http://servicepac.de.ibm.com/eprmhtml/epr2a/h3957.htm (online version of Service Manual) http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/ibmpc/tech_library.html (from which you can download tpvol2.pdf, which includes 69 pages of Service Manual for TP 701, among other things in its 500+ pages) http://www1.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?request=salesmanual&parms=SMS&xh=F9HuO388u8kE7H1USenGnN9332&xhi=salesmanual%5E&product=&search=butterfly&title=T&type=D (sales manual, with useful pages) http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke/Laptop/thinkpad701c.html (useful links) And here is something I haven't seen anywhere. I was having trouble with the 14.4 internal modem (it was disconnecting after variable but short periods under PPP). The following modem initialization string ( > My computer > control panel > modems > IBM Thinkpad 701 Internal Modem > Properties > Connection > Advanced > Extra settings ) was sent to me by an anonymous IBM tech: ATE1Q0M1V1X4&C1&D2&N0&Q6%E1 S7=60 S11=55 &S1 I invite you to Copy and Paste rather than retype the above line! ... but no User's Guide. As usual, the main IBM web site is not useful. -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Tue Sep 19 15:17:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA20412 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:17:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19289; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:14:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:11:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18785; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:11:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18770; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:11:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:11:30 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-39.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.192]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id TAA19973; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:11:18 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , Subject: RE: Need TP 560 Battery Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:15:13 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <200009170339.XAA22842@garnet.sover.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: letoured@sover.net [mailto:letoured@sover.net] > Has any one seen any good deals on TP 560 batteries? The going price seems > to be around $200 which is seems pretty steep since the machine isn't worth > much more then that. Check with Booger (Brad Bureau) Burean@email.msn.com , he's always selling 560 items and even has a good battery FA on eBay right now: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=439564961 HTH, James From cph Tue Sep 19 15:24:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA20476 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:24:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20472; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:20:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:16:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19759; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:16:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19746; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (142.90.106.106 -> andrew1.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:16:26 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e8JJFtO29642 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu.AVP; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:15:55 -0700 Received: from sfupc (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8JJFnO29634; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:15:50 -0700 Message-ID: <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> From: "peter machule" To: "Jonathan Berry" Cc: "thinkpad" References: Subject: Re: [TP701] 701 User's Guide available digitally? Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:14:01 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: The last time I checked the Printed version was ~$2.80 !!! The additional Modem guide was ~$3.65 !!! As many of you know these prices are not " standard" IBM prices . LOL Check Ebay prices if you want a real laugh ! http://www.elink.ibmlink.ibm.com/public/applications/publications/cgibin/pbi.cgi?SSN=00IST0000514363557&FNC=SRH and type in thinkpad 701C Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: Jonathan Berry Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 12:48 PM Subject: [TP701] 701 User's Guide available digitally? > Is the 701 User's Guide available digitally? > > I have found the following, which are useful, but not what I > want: > > http://servicepac.de.ibm.com/eprmhtml/epr2a/h3957.htm > (online version of Service Manual) > > http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/ibmpc/tech_library.html > (from which you can download tpvol2.pdf, which includes > 69 pages of Service Manual for TP 701, among other things > in its 500+ pages) > > http://www1.ibmlink.ibm.com/cgi-bin/master?request=salesmanual&parms=SMS&xh=F9HuO388u8kE7H1USenGnN9332&xhi=salesmanual%5E&product=&s earch=butterfly&title=T&type=D > (sales manual, with useful pages) > > http://www.informatik.uni-freiburg.de/~utcke/Laptop/thinkpad701c.html > (useful links) > > And here is something I haven't seen anywhere. I was having > trouble with the 14.4 internal modem (it was disconnecting > after variable but short periods under PPP). The following > modem initialization string ( > My computer > control panel > > modems > IBM Thinkpad 701 Internal Modem > Properties > > Connection > Advanced > Extra settings ) was sent to me by an > anonymous IBM tech: > > ATE1Q0M1V1X4&C1&D2&N0&Q6%E1 S7=60 S11=55 &S1 > > I invite you to Copy and Paste rather than retype the above > line! > > > ... but no User's Guide. As usual, the main IBM web site is > not useful. > > > > -- > cheers > Jonathan Berry > http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want > From cph Tue Sep 19 15:44:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA20665 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:44:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23425; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:42:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:37:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22743; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.dbug.org (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22728; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:37:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.dbug.org (206.129.56.200) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:37:34 -0400 Message-id: Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 12:06:35 -0700 Subject: 701c modem pinouts To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: echung@dbug.org (Ed Chung) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit List-Unsubscribe: I was searching for info on the 701c and came accross your site. I am looking for the pinout specs on the internal modem. What I want to do is to use it for an external com port connection. Seeings how I am never going to use the internal modem anyway. All I need this 701c for is to work on cisco routers. Which only needs a com port and ethernet. If you know the internal modem pinouts or where I could find out this info it ould help me out very much. thanks ed From cph Tue Sep 19 16:15:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA20880 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:15:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29614; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:10:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28925; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:10:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28912; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:10:12 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA18399 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:10:09 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <002b01c02275$9bb93c60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "thinkpad" References: <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> Subject: Re: [TP701] 701 User's Guide available digitally? Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:10:08 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > The last time I checked the Printed version was ~$2.80 !!! > The additional Modem guide was ~$3.65 !!! > > As many of you know these prices are not " standard" IBM prices . Do they actually *have* them at this price, or is this just an old listing for something they no longer carry? If the latter, then the eBay prices, while still ridiculously high, are not laughable. - David R. From cph Tue Sep 19 16:19:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA20902 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:19:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00671; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:17:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:14:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29876; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29840; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:14:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (142.90.106.106 -> andrew1.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:14:11 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e8JKDgp29674 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu.AVP; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:13:42 -0700 Received: from sfupc (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8JKDbO29666; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:13:37 -0700 Message-ID: <005701c02275$d9563f00$03785a8e@triumf.ca> From: "peter machule" To: "David Ross" Cc: "thinkpad" References: <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <002b01c02275$9bb93c60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TP701] 701 User's Guide available digitally? Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:11:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Instock as of 5 minutes ago ! ;-} And at that price ! ----- Original Message ----- From: David Ross To: thinkpad Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [TP701] 701 User's Guide available digitally? > > The last time I checked the Printed version was ~$2.80 !!! > > The additional Modem guide was ~$3.65 !!! > > > > As many of you know these prices are not " standard" IBM prices . > > Do they actually *have* them at this price, or is this just an old listing > for something they no longer carry? If the > latter, then the eBay prices, while still ridiculously high, are not > laughable. > > - David R. > From cph Tue Sep 19 16:28:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA20995 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:28:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02546; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:25:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:22:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01824; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:22:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01811; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:22:42 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA18518; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:22:38 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003901c02277$5a12ad80$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "peter machule" Cc: "thinkpad" References: <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <002b01c02275$9bb93c60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <005701c02275$d9563f00$03785a8e@triumf.ca> Subject: Re: [TP701] 701 User's Guide available digitally? Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 10:22:36 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > Instock as of 5 minutes ago ! > ;-} > And at that price ! Cool. I *was* going to search for mine (I have 2, somewhere), but obviously better would be to let Jonathan buy his for $2.80, and for me to sell mine for $15/apiece on ebay:-) - David From cph Tue Sep 19 16:32:17 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA21027 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:32:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03885; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:26:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02667; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02652; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:26:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (142.90.106.106 -> andrew1.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:26:08 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e8JKPfw29684 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu.AVP; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:25:42 -0700 Received: from sfupc (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8JKPcO29680 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:25:39 -0700 Message-ID: <006f01c02277$875ac7a0$03785a8e@triumf.ca> From: "peter machule" To: "thinkpad" References: <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <002b01c02275$9bb93c60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <005701c02275$d9563f00$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <003901c02277$5a12ad80$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TP701] 701 User's Guide available digitally? Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:23:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: LOL If you ask nicely, shipping is free, as it's not worth the paperwork. At least that's what they did for me a while ago . ...peter.. > > Instock as of 5 minutes ago ! > > ;-} > > And at that price ! > > Cool. I *was* going to search for mine (I have 2, somewhere), but obviously > better would be to let > Jonathan buy his for $2.80, and for me to sell mine for $15/apiece on > ebay:-) > > - David > From cph Tue Sep 19 17:41:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA21574 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:41:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17671; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:38:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16805; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16787; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 17:38:05 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.173] (helo=139-142-112-173.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13bV4p-000Os2-00 ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 14:37:19 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: machule@triumf.ca Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP701] 701 User's Guide available digitally? Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:32:16 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> In-Reply-To: <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> Lines: 55 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: The printed version is still $us 2.80 (shipping free). Yes, the ebay sellers are making a pretty penny. Here is my expeience: I followed Peter's instructions and eventually came to the order checkout, only to discover that I had been put in the United States order flow. So I clicked Change Country and found that I had to start over again from the beginning. The Canadian order flow looks completely different from the US flow and is intelligently designed ... but when you get to the checkout you discover that they do not have a secure site and that you cannot order online by credit card. You have to phone an 800 number in North Carolina. So, I completed the order, and a few minutes later confirmation came via email. I phoned the indicated number and they did not know anything about it. I was on hold for five minutes while they raised somebody from publications. *** Publications had not yet received the copy of my email confirmation, which had been received by me some 15 minutes earlier ***. But they took my credit card number and even offered expedited delivery at 5% extra (that is 5% of $5.60 [I ordered two copies of the User Guide]). The woman in charge was not surprised that they had not received the order copy yet. Just another amusing journey through the world of Indelibly Byzantine Meanderings. I live about 25 miles from Peter, and if I walk up to the top of the hill and look over there on a clear night, I can see the glow of the mesons. Or I could see it, if mesons glowed. Thank you, Peter. In article <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca>, you wrote: >The last time I checked the Printed version was ~$2.80 !!! >The additional Modem guide was ~$3.65 !!! > >As many of you know these prices are not " standard" IBM prices . >LOL >Check Ebay prices if you want a real laugh ! > > >http://www.elink.ibmlink.ibm.com/public/applications/publications/cgibin/pbi.cgi?SSN=00IST0000514363557&FNC=SRH > >and type in thinkpad 701C > >Peter > > -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Tue Sep 19 18:25:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA21927 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:25:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26148; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:22:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25439; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:22:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25390; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:22:35 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p32.hwts17.loop.net [207.211.63.77]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA41190 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009192222.PAA41190@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:25:16 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: 701 Restore CD List-Unsubscribe: I remember a year or so ago, someone on the list had a 701C/CS restore CD-ROM with the original preloads for these systems. If you are still on this list, please email me privately. Thanks From cph Tue Sep 19 18:28:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA21968 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:28:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26427; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:25:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:23:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25756; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:23:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25734; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:23:26 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p32.hwts17.loop.net [207.211.63.77]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA41274; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009192223.PAA41274@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "ThinkPad List" , "Jonathan Berry" Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:26:04 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP701] 701 User's Guide available digitally? List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:48:57 -0800, Jonathan Berry wrote: >Is the 701 User's Guide available digitally? > If I can find it, I do have one (originally in OS/2 .INF format). From cph Tue Sep 19 18:31:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA21995 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:31:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28415; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:28:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27620; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:28:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA27553; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:28:11 -0400 Received: from p3-800 (client-151-204-210-73.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.73]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA12802 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:27:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000919183512.0168dc70@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:35:12 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: A20p carrying case? In-Reply-To: References: <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: My younger brother recently went off to college on a full scholarship, and as a reward, I gave him one of our A20p's (262961U w/256megs and mini pci card) to use along with a P3-933 desktop box for his dorm (GeForce2, 256megs, 18gig for the curious ) to similarly match his desktop configuration. He loves the machine, but his major complaint is he wants a backpack to use with it to carry his laptop and a few books and pad, etc... I know my A20p (26296AU) is pretty massive but I use a deluxe targus leather case which could hold a bottomless ocean if required. Has anyone used a backpack solution with an A20p or similar? What brand/model? Any other great brands/models that will house an A20p? In comp.sys.laptops right now, there is a huge thread on dead pixels. I've ordered roughly 16 A20p's over the last few months, and during configuration, they've all had ZERO bad pixels. Are bad pixels becoming the exception rather than the norm? Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Tue Sep 19 18:35:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA22031 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:35:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29777; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:32:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29360; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:32:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29339; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from stevie.loop.com (207.211.60.71 -> stevie.loop.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:32:13 -0400 Received: from tp701.pkhoury.com (p32.hwts17.loop.net [207.211.63.77]) by stevie.loop.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA42285; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:32:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200009192232.PAA42285@stevie.loop.com> From: "Paul Khoury" To: "Jonathan Berry" , "ThinkPad List" Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:34:52 -0700 Reply-To: "Paul Khoury" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 98 Standard (2.01.1600) For Windows 95 (4.0.1111) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP701] 701 User's Guide available digitally? List-Unsubscribe: On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:26:04 -0700, Paul Khoury wrote: >On Tue, 19 Sep 2000 11:48:57 -0800, Jonathan Berry wrote: > >>Is the 701 User's Guide available digitally? >> >If I can find it, I do have one (originally in OS/2 .INF format). > Okay, looks like I found it. Has 2 versions of the manual (different loads I believe). Total zipped size is 991K. The program needed to view it is 16 bit, for reference. If anyone else wants this, send me an email, and I'll send it out to ya. Paul From cph Tue Sep 19 18:45:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA22096 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:45:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01167; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:40:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00907; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:40:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00889; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from samsara.csustan.edu (130.17.4.254 -> samsara.csustan.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:40:33 -0400 Received: (from steven@localhost) by samsara.csustan.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA07854; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:47:10 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.4.4 on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000919183512.0168dc70@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 22:47:10 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Steven Filling Sender: steven@samsara.csustan.edu From: Steven Filling To: Mark Bell Subject: RE: A20p carrying case? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA22097 On 20-Sep-2000 Mark Bell extemporized: > He loves the machine, but his major complaint is he wants a > backpack to use with it to carry his laptop and a few books > and pad, etc... I know my A20p (26296AU) is pretty massive but I use > a deluxe targus leather case which could hold a bottomless > ocean if required. > > Has anyone used a backpack solution with an A20p or similar? > What brand/model? Any other great brands/models that will > house an A20p? > Mark - I'm using a Trager Cross Country backpack. It has a ~padded closing sleeve which my A20p fits neatly into. The backpack itself is big enough that I can carry the A20p, a couple books, some files, my TP 240 and assorted cables/disks. I bought it at www.tombihn.com for $120, but I think they're up to $140 now. Worth it, in my opinion. I'm thinking about getting one of their Transpacks [hardsided sleeve] as well. HTH S. ---------------------------------- E-Mail: Steven Filling Date: 19-Sep-2000 Time: 22:41:30 ---------------------------------- From cph Tue Sep 19 18:46:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA22105 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:46:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01659; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:44:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:43:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01323; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:43:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hme0.mailrouter04.sprint.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01308; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:43:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hme0.mailrouter04.sprint.ca (207.107.250.17 -> hme0.mailrouter04.sprint.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:43:02 -0400 Received: from mobil1 (spc-isp-van-58-10-204.sprint.ca [209.148.228.204]) by hme0.mailrouter04.sprint.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA03120 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 18:42:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Shawn Poirier" To: Subject: re A20p carrying case? Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 15:38:53 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: I just bought a new laptop bag/backpack for my 600e and I really like it. It is big enough to hold a large laptop as well as all the computer gear. I am a law student and I find it perfect for hauling my computer as well as my books. It is made by Willow designs (www.willow-design.com) in Canada. I am speaking specifically of the Kerouac model. Its expensive, but with your dollar worth as much as it is it should offset the cost. hope this helps, shawn From cph Tue Sep 19 19:25:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA22384 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:25:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06447; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:23:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:21:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06192; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06178; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:21:40 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA19324; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:21:30 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001901c02290$5b11c4a0$3362183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , "Mark Bell" References: <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <3.0.6.32.20000919183512.0168dc70@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Subject: Re: A20p carrying case? Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 13:21:19 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: As I posted yesterday (still no answer, BTW), I've been looking for a lightweight case for my 560; along the way I spotted some nice looking backpacks. In particular, the Brenthavens seem to have good drop protection, and onvia.com has the Port thinkpad backpacks for considerably less than MSRP. Are you sure your brother has enough computing power?-) - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Bell" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 3:35 PM Subject: A20p carrying case? > My younger brother recently went off to college on a full > scholarship, and as a reward, I gave him one of our A20p's > (262961U w/256megs and mini pci card) to use along with a > P3-933 desktop box for his dorm (GeForce2, 256megs, 18gig > for the curious ) to similarly match his desktop configuration. > > He loves the machine, but his major complaint is he wants a > backpack to use with it to carry his laptop and a few books > and pad, etc... I know my A20p (26296AU) is pretty massive but I use > a deluxe targus leather case which could hold a bottomless > ocean if required. > > Has anyone used a backpack solution with an A20p or similar? > What brand/model? Any other great brands/models that will > house an A20p? > > In comp.sys.laptops right now, there is a huge thread on > dead pixels. I've ordered roughly 16 A20p's over the last > few months, and during configuration, they've all had ZERO > bad pixels. Are bad pixels becoming the exception rather > than the norm? > > Mark > > > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- > From cph Tue Sep 19 19:48:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA22539 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:48:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09599; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:44:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09198; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09177; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:44:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (171.71.163.11 -> sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 19:44:26 -0400 Received: from mira-sjcm-1.cisco.com (mira-sjcm-1.cisco.com [171.69.2.212]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA25942 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tricent (dhcp-171-69-66-196.cisco.com [171.69.66.196]) by mira-sjcm-1.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AOH06370; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:44:23 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tony Rice" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: IGo Portable Power Pack Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:43:46 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks to whoever on the list recommended the IGo Portable Power Pack (www.igo.com). I arrived in San Jose, CA today at 3:00PST on a flight that started at 9:30EST this morning in Raleigh, NC (with a 1.5 hour layover in Chicago). My TP600E was running the entire time with the exception of about 30 minutes boarding/taxing/takeoff on each flight (once in Raleigh, once in Chicago) or about 7.5 hours or runtime. One of the nice things about the IGo PPP is that since it is external, the TP acts as if it is plugged into AC and continues to operate at high performance. The PPP died after about 6 hours and I continued to run on the internal batter for another 1.5 at the normally throttled down performance level. IGo is a bit of a pain to deal with though, I talked with a couple of different people there and it is hit or miss whether or not you get someone who is knowledgeable about their products. The web site is atrocious, making searching for products difficult unless they are specific to a particular make/model laptop or if you know the item number (their employees don't even know that). Plus they've applied the name "Portable Power Pack" to several unrelated items making searching even more of a challenge. The item I'm referring to is: http://www.igo.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=1&prrfnbr=13650 &cat=&subcat=&link= Best $179 I've spent on my laptop. From cph Tue Sep 19 20:14:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA22696 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:14:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12703; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:12:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:11:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12230; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:11:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA12218; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:11:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from imo-r16.mx.aol.com (152.163.225.70 -> imo-r16.mx.aol.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:11:09 -0400 Received: from Bmwm61@aol.com by imo-r16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id o.13.af99e1e (4223) for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <13.af99e1e.26f95a99@aol.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 20:11:05 EDT Subject: WinPen Manual To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 119 List-Unsubscribe: Where can I obtain a user's manual for Pen for Windows 1.0? I'm using WinPen on my 730T but flying somewhat blind. Thanks, Jim. From cph Tue Sep 19 23:37:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA23865 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:37:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01866; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:33:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01531; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.cc.emory.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01517; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.cc.emory.edu (170.140.29.37 -> Pluto.cc.emory.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:33:02 -0400 Received: from rbright (anx50-40.dialup.emory.edu [170.140.250.40]) by pluto.cc.emory.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e8K3Wr300111; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:32:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rick A. Bright" To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" , "Jon" , Subject: RE: get free external zip 250 drive Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 23:33:05 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: <200009181703.NAA22044@cs.utk.edu> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: The number is 1-888-SHOP-IBM I made the same mistake initially and I also informed IBM of the tidy sex offers on their 800 #. The reps just laughed and said they hear it all the time. Enjoy!!! -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Jeffrey Race [mailto:jrace@attglobal.net] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2000 2:03 AM To: Jon; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Dr. Jeffrey Race Subject: Re: get free external zip 250 drive On Sun, 17 Sep 2000 22:57:29 -0600 (CST), Jon wrote: >when you buy any intel based pc (desktop or thinkpad) >1) call 1-800-shop-ibm >2) mention code 7708 >expires sept 30 2000 The 800 # (from Boston) rings at Pilgrim Phone Sex. Can some kind soul provide a better pointer to this IBM offer? (Or confirm that Jon is having a little fun with us?) Tks Jeffrey Race From cph Wed Sep 20 00:23:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA24105 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:23:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06676; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:21:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:18:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06067; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:18:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06054; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:18:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:18:02 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a23.pm3-24.theriver.com [206.102.192.39]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BBCD26506; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:16:18 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <39C83B25.563C344@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:20:53 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Shawn R. Lin" Cc: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: 760ED: Video problems References: <39C731BB.5D09E20E@mail.orion.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: "Shawn R. Lin" wrote: > > My girlfriend's 760ED is acting up. The video has red fringes. It sort > of resembles when a conventional monitor has convergence problems. It > is not fixed to any certain screen position and it looks like a line of > red pixels shows up in places where black touches other colors. Anyone > seen this before? Is the video card going bad? > She said it's done it before after the machine has heated up, but now > it's doing it all the time. > Let's see, you say that this problem occurs all the time. Does this happen when the IBM logo is on the screen? If it does, then boot the system up to the Thinkpad Setup/Test and run the display test program. If the system "fails" the tests, call IBM and have the system serviced (if under warrenty). > The 760ED comes awful close to getting hot enough on the bottom to burn > flesh, even WITH the foam pad on the bottom. I'm thinking about > replacing it with a 560 or 560E since the 560 I used to have, and the > 560X I have now, run fairly cool. The bottom barely gets lukewarm even > after been in use all day. Not to mention the 560 series is half the > weight and half the thickness. My 760ED is now setting in a DOCK II. It will get hot enough to 'melt' flesh even with the 'heat pad'. This is why most of the later Thinkpads have fans... However, the thing that I do is to use a heavy towel, folded in half to keep the heat away. I bought a 600E to replace the 760ED, and I do run LINUX and Windows98 (OEM) on it. James Mckenzie From cph Wed Sep 20 01:45:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA24474 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:45:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13333; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:42:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:40:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12961; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:40:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12920; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:40:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 01:40:26 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUDL2C0VC08WXP03@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:43:55 CST Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 00:43:55 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: 20" ibm monitor $280 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Glad everyone enjoyed hte free external 250mb from IBM. NOW to complete your computer system up get this 20" triniton tube IBM MONITOR ! HURRY up 1) go to http://commerce-03.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=842&prmenbr=1 2) run to the nearest phone call 1-800-426-5440 3) try to get them to honor this coupon code (no guarentee though) edc-col-igf and save $25 4) final cost $255 or $280 Nice deal but still couldnt compare to officemax's $279 15" tft lcd monitor. Most of these already ran out but if you live in small town in north dahkota or know someone that lives there.... might still be a chance. From cph Wed Sep 20 03:59:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA24959 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 03:59:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19997; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 03:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 03:51:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19590; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 03:51:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA19577; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 03:51:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 03:51:05 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA21055 for ; Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:50:53 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000e01c022d7$820d5a00$878d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: Subject: Re: 20" ibm monitor $280 Date: Tue, 19 Sep 2000 21:50:48 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I have this monitor, and while the large dot pitch means close-up text at high resolutions (greater than XGA) is less than crisp, it is great for presentations or if working from a couple of feet away. IBM auctions these at Egghead every so often; I got mine there for $260 including shipping to Hawaii. However, there are some other vendors who sell the same monitor on Egghead, and play games with shipping costs and warrantees, so check carefully or just follow Jon's advice and order from IBM (who has been selling them at this price when in stock for at least 2 months, BTW, and occasionally has the tighter-dot-pitch P201 or P202 for just a bit more; full inventory on refurbed IBM equipment, including laptops, is updated daily at http://commerce-03.www.ibm.com/icc/retail.PDF). - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon" To: Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 8:43 PM Subject: 20" ibm monitor $280 > Glad everyone enjoyed hte free external 250mb from IBM. NOW to complete > your computer system up get this 20" triniton tube IBM MONITOR ! HURRY up > > 1) go to > http://commerce-03.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=842 &prmenbr=1 > > 2) run to the nearest phone call 1-800-426-5440 > > 3) try to get them to honor this coupon code (no guarentee though) > edc-col-igf and save $25 > > 4) final cost $255 or $280 > > > Nice deal but still couldnt compare to officemax's $279 15" tft lcd > monitor. Most of these already ran out but if you live in small town in > north dahkota or know someone that lives there.... might still be a > chance. > > From cph Wed Sep 20 04:36:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA25115 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 04:36:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21921; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 04:29:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 04:27:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21671; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 04:27:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA21587; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 04:23:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (134.100.9.61 -> rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 04:23:15 -0400 Received: from kogs1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (root@kogs1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.12.111]) by rzdspc1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8K8NDK22820 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:23:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de [134.100.12.145]) by kogs1.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8K8NB615219 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:23:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from utcke@localhost) by kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e8K8N9e23748 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:23:09 +0200 (MET DST) From: Sven Utcke Message-Id: <200009200823.e8K8N9e23748@kogs45.informatik.uni-hamburg.de> Subject: Re: 701 Restore CD To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:23:08 +0200 (MET DST) In-Reply-To: <200009192222.PAA41190@stevie.loop.com> from "Paul Khoury" at Sep 19, 2000 03:25:16 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Hello Paul, hello all. > I remember a year or so ago, someone on the list had a 701C/CS > restore CD-ROM with the original preloads for these systems. If you > are still on this list, please email me privately. I'm not sure what the legal situation on this is like (in both Germany and wherever you are located), but if you think it would be acceptable to do so I would be very much interested in a copy of the CDs, as I own a 701C (2630-TF4) but not the original software (I bought it used, with Win95 installed). Not that I actually _need_ the software, as I'm running Linux, but still... Sven -- _ __ The Cognitive Systems Group | |/ /___ __ _ ___ University of Hamburg | ' ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 05:36:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28756; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 05:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 05:27:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28593; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 05:27:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail5.nc.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA28580; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 05:27:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail5.nc.rr.com (24.93.67.52 -> fe5.southeast.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 05:27:57 -0400 Received: from snyderman ([24.88.243.147]) by mail5.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 05:27:35 -0400 Message-ID: <002501c022e4$fe52c8e0$93f35818@nc.rr.com> From: "Ron Snyder" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 05:27:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph Wed Sep 20 07:36:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA25740 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:36:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08533; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:31:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:27:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07707; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:27:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07662; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:27:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 07:27:14 -0400 Received: from tk-laptop (tk-laptop.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.38]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA22141 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:25:53 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009201125.OAA22141@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "TP List" Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:23:40 +0300 Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.90.3000) In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: RE: Thinkpad A20m in cars List-Unsubscribe: I have a converter that turns 12v to 110V, but up to 50 watts. But looking at my TP A20m's adaptor, I see that it's rated at 79VA. Does it REALLY consume 80W, or is that an "up to" figure; I just wonder if I'd fry the converter if I tried :) Thanks, -turgut ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Wed Sep 20 08:44:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA25960 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:44:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13453; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:39:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:36:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13164; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13150; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:36:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:36:28 -0400 Received: from slip202-135-85-65.pe.nz.ibm.net ([202.135.85.65]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000092012362623901i40n5e>; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:36:26 +0000 From: dmhills@attglobal.net (Don Hills) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760ED: Video problems Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 22:54:57 +1200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <39C83B25.563C344@theriver.com> Lines: 11 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.38Beta [OS/2] List-Unsubscribe: James Mckenzie wrote: >> The 760ED comes awful close to getting hot enough on the bottom to burn >> flesh, even WITH the foam pad on the bottom. What operating system? There's a patch for Windows 95 (at least) that helps the system to run much cooler. It lets the CPU halt when idle instead of running continuously. It's somewhere on IBM's Thinkpad driver site. (If you're running OS/2, it already works that way.) -- Don Hills (dmhills at attglobaldotnet) Wellington, New Zealand From cph Wed Sep 20 09:07:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA26083 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:07:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15987; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:00:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15756; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:00:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15739; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:00:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:00:25 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.188]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000920130023.DDUB17935.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:00:23 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000920085651.0181eb00@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:56:51 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: A20p carrying case? In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000919183512.0168dc70@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> References: <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 06:35 PM 09/19/2000 -0700, Mark Bell wrote: >In comp.sys.laptops right now, there is a huge thread on >dead pixels. I've ordered roughly 16 A20p's over the last >few months, and during configuration, they've all had ZERO >bad pixels. Are bad pixels becoming the exception rather >than the norm? > To my knowledge, I've never seen a dead pixel on any ThinkPad or Armada. From cph Wed Sep 20 09:18:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA26140 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:18:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA17254; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:13:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:12:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16906; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA16893; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (24.69.152.109 -> 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:12:08 -0400 Received: from bored.lexxdog.com ([10.1.1.27]) by 24.69.152.109.on.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA24028 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:27:41 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from kate@bored.lexxdog.com) Message-ID: <39C8E16C.28B6CD62@bored.lexxdog.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 09:10:20 -0700 From: Kate Ross X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Windows NT 5.0; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ThinkPad List Subject: Re: 701 question References: <003f01c019ee$305d36e0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> <39B9B683.3B06CD25@bored.lexxdog.com> <39B9BCB6.E9569039@gate.net> <39BB128B.111C8186@bored.lexxdog.com> <39BB2CD8.27D4DB09@gate.net> <39BBC96E.7B36BD3B@bored.lexxdog.com> <004901c01b3c$78474be0$f256a0d8@triumf.ca> <39BBC190.23720EB2@gate.net> <39BBFE28.E770D56@bored.lexxdog.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Ok my spare unit has arrived and I have had the opertunity to play around some. The KB on the system that just arrived works fine on the new system, however when moved to the old system shows the same symptoms as the old KB, ie: several double keys. As a second check i moved the KB for the old system to the new system and it works fine. From this it is an easy conclusion that the issue is definitly with the system board not the KB. Thanx for all the help and feedback all. So I have now combined what appear to be the best parts from both systems and have a very nice looking 701cs running FreeBSD 4.1 and x :) kate Kate Ross wrote: > > Ok lets consider the tp701 butterfly kb. Pulling the unit off you see > that there are no electronics on the KB, just the two foil patterns to > form the matrix. > > If I unplug both KB sides, left and right the trackpoint work s fine. > > With just the right hand side plugged in all the keys fiction correctly. > Everything appears fine. > > With JUST the left side plugged in there are a number of keys such as > caps lock, s, x that produce a phantom keystroke of keys that exist only > on the right hand portion of the KB. Since that KB section is totally > unplugged from the laptop system board this would appear to indicate > that the issue is with the KB decoding logic in the system board itself > not the KB. > > After all at this point eh lines to produce say a . when the x is > pressed are physically disconnected from the system board ? Does this > make sense ? Someone on the list has offered me a system with dead sound > for a good price so I could likely use that system board, I didn't look > when i had the KB off mine, is the sound board a seperate subsystem or > am I just replacing one problem for another ? > > To be honest I'm currently un-employed and can't really afford to just > through away the system but would really like to be able to make a > working system without too much investment as I purchased the system as > working. > > Shoulf I just try for a refund from the purchaser ? The system was > advertsed as in working condition when i bought it, and thre seller says > it was working fine when they shipped it. Am I juust out of luck here? > > A very frustrated, > > kate > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > OK, the minute is up.. > > my bet is the keyboard... > > it is the part most prone to failure, the failure is only with a few keys and not the entire keyboard... > > AND, i'm sure someone will correct me on THIS assertion, i'm not entirely sure there ARE two keyboard > > controllers on a laptop.. > > (please use fresh fruit when throwing things) > > > > p machule wrote: > > > > > Wait a minute ! > > > The fact that the unit works with an external keyboard does NOT prove that the keyboard controller is fine. > > > This is a laptop ...not a desktop . > > > It has 2 ( sort off ) keyboard controller(s). > > > Part one translates the row and columm stuff , part two is what we normally see on standard motherboards . > > > It takes standard keyboard signals ,plays with them , and and sends them to the chipset. > > > I'm sure that on most laptops this chip is one chip and resides on the motherboard. > > > > > > Good luck ;-} > > > > > > ...peter.. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Kate Ross > > > To: > > > Cc: ThinkPad List > > > Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2000 10:48 AM > > > Subject: Re: 701 question > > > > > > > So my question for the list now is does anyone have a spare KB or dead > > > > unit with a good KB that thay they want to part with for a reasonable > > > > price ? > > > > > > > > kate > > > > > > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kate.. > > > > > > > > > > i'm not entirely sure i agree with your conclusion.. > > > > > > > > > > did you not say earlier that you attached an external keyboard and that it > > > > > worked..?! > > > > > > > > > > the 701's are still serviceable.. > > > > > > > > > > Kate Ross wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Ok apears that the issue is likely with the KB controller itself. I > > > > > > pulled the unit apart and with just the right side oof te kb attached > > > > > > all the keys work great. With the left side only attached you get ghost > > > > > > keys appaering the the right side. I would suspect that from what i know > > > > > > this means I have a bad system board :( I was really haoping to be able > > > > > > to use this system whe i am in the hostital in a few month's time so I > > > > > > would like to work this out. Should i even consider such and old unit > > > > > > for service ? > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx, > > > > > > > > > > > > kate > > > > > > > > > > > > Bill Morrow wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the 701 keyboard is composed of two "membranes" (one for each half) and its > > > > > > > rather easy to get into it and clean the "contacts".. > > > > > > > BUT, these "contacts" are little more than printed wiring.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > go into easy setup (hold down the F1 key while powering the 701 on.. > > > > > > > select the test icon, then hit Ctrl-A, then Ctrl-K.. > > > > > > > you will be presented with a keyboard layout.. > > > > > > > depress each key and the related point in the display kbd will turn on or > > > > > > > off.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try it.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > works with most thinkpads.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kate Ross wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just recently aquired a gorgeous 701cs, the unit looks almost brand > > > > > > > > new and seems to function great except for one issue, the KB is working > > > > > > > > abit oddly, for instance hitting L gives me LS, as does hitting just S. > > > > > > > > It would appear to be a KB or controller issue. Anyone have any > > > > > > > > suggestions for these units ? Should I look for a repleacement KB, or > > > > > > > > maybe try dissasembling this one and cleaning all the connectors ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanx, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > Well from the looks of the KB test looks like one of the row/colum > > > > > > > select lines are sharter as the doubled keys repeast ina patter, ie: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > s or l pressed both present sl > > > > > > > w or o pressed both present wo > > > > > > > caps or f7 pressed both present caps+f7 > > > > > > > f1 or f8 --> f1+f8 > > > > > > > . or x --> x+. > > > > > > > 2 or 9 --> 2+9 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all other keys seem to be ok. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyone have any dissasembly advice for theese units ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kate > > > > > > > > -- > > --- > > > > Happy trails... > > > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > > sic transit gloria From cph Wed Sep 20 11:55:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA26976 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:55:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02753; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:53:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:51:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02351; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:51:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02248; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:51:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:51:42 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUE6F6NKU88WXQ64@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:55:11 CST Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:55:10 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Ok picky ppl, hows 20" triniton .26mm for $280 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: 1) run to the phone and dial 1-800-ibm-5440 ! and stop calling 1-800-shop-ibm !! 2) order the ibm monitor model p201 or ibm sku 6555803 this bad boy is 20" viewable 19.1" trinitron tuber, 0.26mm, 1600x 1200 enjoy From cph Wed Sep 20 12:45:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA27326 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:45:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07714; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:44:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:42:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07417; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lolita.speakeasy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07393; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lolita.speakeasy.net (216.254.0.13 -> lolita.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:42:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 860 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2000 16:42:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gonzo.speakeasy.net) (192.168.0.5) by 192.168.0.13 with SMTP; 20 Sep 2000 16:42:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 13355 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2000 16:42:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO WALD7) (216.254.51.110) by gonzo.speakeasy.net with SMTP; 20 Sep 2000 16:42:26 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: A20p carrying case? Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:45:08 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Mark, An A20p for college! That will get some looks. Hopefully he will guard it well. He should be able to do homework fast! I have a reputation as the bagman and I have found nothing better than the Tom Bihn Brain Bag backpack (http://www.tombihn.com/). It will hold two A20p's and still have a bit of room. I know because when I got mine I was lugging it around as well as my T770Z while I made the transition. The Trager Cross Country that Steven talks about looks good, too. It's at the same website. It's not as big as the Brain Bag, but looks more stylish. With the Brain Bag you need the Lapdog as well. It's a padded sleeve for the laptop. I sometimes use it alone with a shoulder strap. Lately I've given the Brain Bag a rest and am using the Lapdog sleeve in a Patagonia messenger bag. This works well on my bike as I tool around NYC to meetings and the like. Just my two cents.... Bill Armstrong WILLIAM ARMSTRONG LIGHTING DESIGN 310 Riverside Drive, #2901 New York, NY 10025 Tel (212) 749-5658 Fax (800) 706-0523 or (206) 374-6109 http://www.waldinc.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Bell [mailto:bytehead@bellatlantic.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 9:35 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: A20p carrying case? My younger brother recently went off to college on a full scholarship, and as a reward, I gave him one of our A20p's (262961U w/256megs and mini pci card) to use along with a P3-933 desktop box for his dorm (GeForce2, 256megs, 18gig for the curious ) to similarly match his desktop configuration. He loves the machine, but his major complaint is he wants a backpack to use with it to carry his laptop and a few books and pad, etc... I know my A20p (26296AU) is pretty massive but I use a deluxe targus leather case which could hold a bottomless ocean if required. Has anyone used a backpack solution with an A20p or similar? What brand/model? Any other great brands/models that will house an A20p? In comp.sys.laptops right now, there is a huge thread on dead pixels. I've ordered roughly 16 A20p's over the last few months, and during configuration, they've all had ZERO bad pixels. Are bad pixels becoming the exception rather than the norm? 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Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Sep 20 13:24:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA27628 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:24:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13951; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:20:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:18:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13716; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:18:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13703; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:18:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA34761; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:23:05 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 10:23:05 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: Ok picky ppl, hows 20" triniton .26mm for $280 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Jon wrote: > 1) run to the phone and dial 1-800-ibm-5440 ! and stop calling > 1-800-shop-ibm !! > > 2) order the ibm monitor model p201 or ibm sku 6555803 > this bad boy is 20" viewable 19.1" trinitron tuber, 0.26mm, 1600x 1200 Can anybody find a full spec sheet on this monitor? I tried and only came as close as the P260 but couldn't find the P201!!! At first glance, it looks good for the money but without full specs (refresh rate, new vs referb, etc), I'm not willing to spend the $. Thanks in advance. -- David Goldman From cph Wed Sep 20 13:34:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA27699 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:34:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15650; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:32:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:31:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15336; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:31:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15279; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:30:57 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUE9V2TF408WXQX2@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:34:18 CST Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:34:17 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Re: Ok picky ppl, hows 20" triniton .26mm for , In-reply-to: To: David Goldman Cc: Thinkpad mailing list Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: www.griffintechnology.com/monitors/IBM29.html better hurry up IBM is running low in supplies for this bad boy. d, 20 Sep 2000, David Goldman wrote: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, Jon wrote: > > > 1) run to the phone and dial 1-800-ibm-5440 ! and stop calling > > 1-800-shop-ibm !! > > > > 2) order the ibm monitor model p201 or ibm sku 6555803 > > this bad boy is 20" viewable 19.1" trinitron tuber, 0.26mm, 1600x 1200 > > Can anybody find a full spec sheet on this monitor? I tried and only > came as close as the P260 but couldn't find the P201!!! > > At first glance, it looks good for the money but without full specs > (refresh rate, new vs referb, etc), I'm not willing to spend the $. > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > David Goldman > > From cph Wed Sep 20 14:01:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA27939 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:01:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20867; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:57:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:56:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20125; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:56:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20041; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:55:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (141.213.75.22 -> srvr20.engin.umich.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:55:58 -0400 Received: from patriot.engin.umich.edu (root@patriot.engin.umich.edu [141.213.42.159]) by srvr20.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA10558; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (arteitle@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by patriot.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA10146; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:55:54 -0400 (EDT) From: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" To: David Goldman cc: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: Ok picky ppl, hows 20" triniton .26mm for $280 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, David Goldman wrote: > Can anybody find a full spec sheet on this monitor? I tried and only > came as close as the P260 but couldn't find the P201!!! > > At first glance, it looks good for the money but without full specs > (refresh rate, new vs referb, etc), I'm not willing to spend the $. I don't know about refurb vs. new, but here's the spec sheet for the P201, model 6555803 (and others). It's a long URL, so you might have to piece it back together: http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/SBJR-3XNMFM.html?lang=en_US&page=brand&brand=IBM+Monitors%7CP+Series+%28P50%2FP70%2Fetc.%29%7C6555%7C803&family=IBM+Monitors%7CP+Series+%28P50%2FP70%2Fetc.%29&machineType=IBM+Monitors%7CP+Series+%28P50%2FP70%2Fetc.%29%7C6555&model=IBM+Monitors%7CP+Series+%28P50%2FP70%2Fetc.%29%7C6555%7C803&doctype=Product+information&subtype=All If that doesn't work for you, go to www.ibm.com, click support, and follow your way through the menus to options, accessories, monitors, P-series, machine type 6555, model 803. Aaron Teitlebaum arteitle@engin.umich.edu From cph Wed Sep 20 14:35:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA28165 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:35:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27586; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:32:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27137; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:32:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27093; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:32:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:32:14 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org ([129.37.224.128]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e8KIWA517933; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:32:11 -0700 Message-ID: <39C902A7.D39D6E2C@mail.orion.org> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:32:07 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Don Hills CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760ED: Video problems References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Don Hills wrote: > > James Mckenzie wrote: > >> The 760ED comes awful close to getting hot enough on the bottom to burn > >> flesh, even WITH the foam pad on the bottom. > > What operating system? There's a patch for Windows 95 (at least) that helps > the system to run much cooler. It lets the CPU halt when idle instead of > running continuously. It's somewhere on IBM's Thinkpad driver site. > (If you're running OS/2, it already works that way.) It's running Win98 and I DO have a CPUIdle program running called RAIN. Still gets VERY HOT! Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Wed Sep 20 14:36:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA28176 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:36:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27262; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:31:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26936; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:31:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26923; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:31:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:31:09 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org ([129.37.224.128]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e8KIV5517821; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:31:05 -0700 Message-ID: <39C90265.8F3823C2@mail.orion.org> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:31:01 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Mckenzie CC: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: Re: 760ED: Video problems References: <39C731BB.5D09E20E@mail.orion.org> <39C83B25.563C344@theriver.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: James Mckenzie wrote: > > "Shawn R. Lin" wrote: > > > > My girlfriend's 760ED is acting up. The video has red fringes. It sort > > of resembles when a conventional monitor has convergence problems. It > > is not fixed to any certain screen position and it looks like a line of > > red pixels shows up in places where black touches other colors. Anyone > > seen this before? Is the video card going bad? > > She said it's done it before after the machine has heated up, but now > > it's doing it all the time. > > > Let's see, you say that this problem occurs all the time. Does this > happen when the IBM logo is on the screen? Yes! I noticed the IBM logo has red pixels on the right edge of the blue. > If it does, then boot the system up to the Thinkpad Setup/Test and run > the display test program. If the system "fails" the tests, call IBM and > have the system serviced (if under warrenty). I tried this. On the screens with the 3 palettes, on the rightmost 3rd palette are 3 red vertical lines spaced evenly through the palette. On the RGB palette, there are bright red vertical lines thru the red and white palettes. The ThinkPad passes the test though, it's apparently an undetectable display problem. Unfortunately, no warranty. It was an Ebay special. Thanks for the help. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Wed Sep 20 14:41:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA28202 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:41:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28643; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:40:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:39:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28373; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28356; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:39:01 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a26.pm3-22.theriver.com [208.164.96.186]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8129525FE7; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:38:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39C9041E.B6F74AB@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 11:38:22 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" Cc: David Goldman , Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Re: Ok picky ppl, hows 20" triniton .26mm for $280 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have one... it is very good, very reliable... Just be sure you don't get the "G" series... you want the "P" series Ray From cph Wed Sep 20 14:45:23 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA28252 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:45:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29334; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:44:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:42:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29076; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:42:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29056; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:42:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 14:42:34 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA22912 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:42:32 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001b01c02332$881cce20$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Thinkpad mailing list" References: Subject: Re: Ok picky ppl, hows 20" triniton .26mm for , Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 08:42:29 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > better hurry up IBM is running low in supplies for this bad boy. No real need to hurry, they come and go. If they run out now, they'll be back in a week or two, and the prices never increase. Just keep an eye on their current inventory list. BTW, these are refurbs/off lease, and come with no warrantee (enclosed is a very explicit "no warrantee" slip). However, some might have warrantees anyway, if manufactured less than 3 years ago, since as usual IBM keeps track of warrantee by serial number. This is a good reason to try for a later model (P201 or later). Mine had a very very slight convergence problem at some resolutions - I wouldn't have noticed, except that I ran a nice monitor testing program from Nokia. Fortunately, absolutely everything is adjustable on the P200, including convergence, so I was able to move the 'problem' off to the edge where it isn't important. Geesh, calling me "picky" - and after I defended you earlier against the 'spam' charge! - David R. From cph Wed Sep 20 15:17:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA28568 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:17:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03395; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:12:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:10:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02729; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:10:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02716; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:10:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com (208.212.35.203) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:10:28 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01678; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:58:14 -0500 Message-Id: <200009201858.NAA01678@apoc.sacredsoulrecords.com> Subject: Re: Ok picky ppl, hows 20" triniton .26mm for $280 To: David@dgoldman.com (David Goldman) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 13:58:13 -0500 (CDT) From: "pooh" Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "David Goldman" at Sep 20, 2000 10:23:05 AM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: > Can anybody find a full spec sheet on this monitor? I tried and only > came as close as the P260 but couldn't find the P201!!! > > At first glance, it looks good for the money but without full specs > (refresh rate, new vs referb, etc), I'm not willing to spend http://www.ibmlink.ibm.com/HTML/SPEC/g2214431.html dunno if new or referb...but this is the spec sheet on it -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Jeff Schoby is: | "May U live 2 see the dawn." Programmer/Analyst | -Prince City of Columbia, MO +------+-------------------------------- ----------------------------------+ | Owner/President of: email: | | Sacred Soul Records | pooh@sacredsoulrecords.com | | |____________________________| | ssr@sacredsoulrecords.com Home of the Apocalypse BBS |http://www.sacredsoulrecords.com finger bbs@bbs.sacredsoulrecords.com +-------------------------------- http://bbs.sacredsoulrecords.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From cph Wed Sep 20 15:55:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA28862 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:55:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09546; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:53:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:51:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08975; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:51:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08961; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dgoldman.com (216.101.170.230 -> adsl-216-101-170-230.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 15:51:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (dgoldman@localhost) by dgoldman.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA35281; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:55:38 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:55:38 -0700 (PDT) From: David Goldman X-Sender: dgoldman@houdini.dgoldman.com To: Thinkpad mailing list Subject: Question about Win2000 on TP-380Z In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I've got a ThinkPad 380Z (2635-JBU) already booting Windows NT 4 (SP6a) and OS/2 Warp 4 using System Commander. I need to get the system to recognize the USB ports (not currently working under either OS) and the easiest way I can think of is to add Windows 2000 as a third OS. For reasons I won't go into, I cannot replace the WinNT with Win2000. Instead, I need to add Win2000 as a new, additional OS to the system. Three questions: 1) Is my system (P2-300 w/96MB) enough to run Win2000 reasonably? 2) Are there any known problems running Win2000 on this TP? 3) Are there any known problems loading Win2000 as a third OS? Thanks in advance. -- David Goldman From cph Wed Sep 20 16:39:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA29232 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:39:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14920; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:36:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14695; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:36:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14681; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:36:41 -0400 Received: from p3-800 (client-151-204-210-1.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.1]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA06664 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:36:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000920164355.017fa100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:43:55 -0700 To: "ThinkPad List" From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: A20p carrying case? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: I took a look at the tombihn site and they have a lot of good selections. I think I am going to order him the Trager Cross Country because of it's backpack configuration. He wants to be able to carry his notebook, a book or two, notepad and throw it on his back. I told him to guard it with his life, as A20p's are hard to come by these days. :) His parting words to me were, "Um, does it play a good game of Quake3Arena?" To which I responded, "Er, they teach Quake3Arena at school?" >;-P He's an IS major, so I figured he needed to be loaded to the gills with 'puter power. Mark At 12:45 PM 09/20/2000 -0400, William Armstrong wrote: >Mark, > >An A20p for college! That will get some looks. Hopefully he will guard it >well. He should be able to do homework fast! > >I have a reputation as the bagman and I have found nothing better than the >Tom Bihn Brain Bag backpack (http://www.tombihn.com/). It will hold two >A20p's and still have a bit of room. I know because when I got mine I was >lugging it around as well as my T770Z while I made the transition. The >Trager Cross Country that Steven talks about looks good, too. It's at the >same website. It's not as big as the Brain Bag, but looks more stylish. With >the Brain Bag you need the Lapdog as well. It's a padded sleeve for the >laptop. I sometimes use it alone with a shoulder strap. Lately I've given >the Brain Bag a rest and am using the Lapdog sleeve in a Patagonia messenger >bag. This works well on my bike as I tool around NYC to meetings and the >like. >My younger brother recently went off to college on a full >scholarship, and as a reward, I gave him one of our A20p's >(262961U w/256megs and mini pci card) to use along with a >P3-933 desktop box for his dorm (GeForce2, 256megs, 18gig >for the curious ) to similarly match his desktop configuration. > >He loves the machine, but his major complaint is he wants a >backpack to use with it to carry his laptop and a few books >and pad, etc... I know my A20p (26296AU) is pretty massive but I use >a deluxe targus leather case which could hold a bottomless >ocean if required. > >Has anyone used a backpack solution with an A20p or similar? >What brand/model? Any other great brands/models that will >house an A20p? > >In comp.sys.laptops right now, there is a huge thread on >dead pixels. I've ordered roughly 16 A20p's over the last >few months, and during configuration, they've all had ZERO >bad pixels. Are bad pixels becoming the exception rather >than the norm? ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Sep 20 17:09:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA29499 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:09:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17487; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:01:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17189; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:01:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot07.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA17176; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot07.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.27 -> pilot07.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:01:35 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cherryholmes.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.41]) by pilot07.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8KL1Xi57552 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:01:33 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000920165904.01ee59f0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:01:31 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Bad pixels (was A20p carrying case?) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000919183512.0168dc70@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> References: <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Of the last six ThinkPads I've ordered (3 i series, an A20, a T20 and a 600x) only one had a bax pixel on it: the A21. Kinda weird how the most powerful and expensive unit had the bad pixel! --STeve Andre' [snip] >In comp.sys.laptops right now, there is a huge thread on >dead pixels. I've ordered roughly 16 A20p's over the last >few months, and during configuration, they've all had ZERO >bad pixels. Are bad pixels becoming the exception rather >than the norm? > >Mark From cph Wed Sep 20 17:12:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA29539 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:12:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18464; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:09:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18115; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:09:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18067; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:09:29 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUEHI5TQI88WXRHK@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:12:56 CST Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 16:12:56 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Re: Ok picky ppl, hows 20" triniton .26mm for , In-reply-to: <001b01c02332$881cce20$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> To: David Ross Cc: Thinkpad mailing list Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: PICKY ?? errr did i say Picky ??.... I mean PERKY ! it must be my 0.81 mm on my 480X 620 monitor screen ! :p On Wed, 20 Sep 2000, David Ross wrote: > > better hurry up IBM is running low in supplies for this bad boy. > > No real need to hurry, they come and go. If they run out now, they'll be > back in a week or two, and the prices never > increase. Just keep an eye on their current inventory list. > > BTW, these are refurbs/off lease, and come with no warrantee (enclosed is a > very explicit "no warrantee" > slip). However, some might have warrantees anyway, if manufactured less > than 3 years ago, since as usual IBM keeps > track of warrantee by serial number. This is a good reason to try for a > later model (P201 or later). > > Mine had a very very slight convergence problem at some resolutions - I > wouldn't have noticed, except that > I ran a nice monitor testing program from Nokia. Fortunately, absolutely > everything is adjustable on > the P200, including convergence, so I was able to move the 'problem' off to > the edge where it isn't important. > > Geesh, calling me "picky" - and after I defended you earlier against the > 'spam' charge! > > - David R. > > From cph Wed Sep 20 17:46:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA29879 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:46:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21815; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:38:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21166; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lolita.speakeasy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21125; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:38:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lolita.speakeasy.net (216.254.0.13 -> lolita.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:38:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 18610 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2000 21:37:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gonzo.speakeasy.net) (192.168.0.5) by 192.168.0.13 with SMTP; 20 Sep 2000 21:37:11 -0000 Received: (qmail 16221 invoked from network); 20 Sep 2000 21:37:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO WALD7) (216.254.51.110) by gonzo.speakeasy.net with SMTP; 20 Sep 2000 21:37:16 -0000 From: "William Armstrong" To: "ThinkPad List" Subject: RE: A20p carrying case? Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:39:57 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000920164355.017fa100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> List-Unsubscribe: Mark, Glad we could help. I don't think I was able to get Quake3Arena running on my A20p with W2k. Perhaps there are ways to get it to work though that I don't know about. I think it has to do with the OpenGL drivers. Does your brother have W2k or Win'98? It runs well in Win'98 on the A20p. Bill WILLIAM ARMSTRONG LIGHTING DESIGN 310 Riverside Drive, #2901 New York, NY 10025 Tel (212) 749-5658 Fax (800) 706-0523 or (206) 374-6109 http://www.waldinc.com -----Original Message----- From: Mark Bell [mailto:bytehead@bellatlantic.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 7:44 PM To: ThinkPad List Subject: RE: A20p carrying case? I took a look at the tombihn site and they have a lot of good selections. I think I am going to order him the Trager Cross Country because of it's backpack configuration. He wants to be able to carry his notebook, a book or two, notepad and throw it on his back. I told him to guard it with his life, as A20p's are hard to come by these days. :) His parting words to me were, "Um, does it play a good game of Quake3Arena?" To which I responded, "Er, they teach Quake3Arena at school?" >;-P He's an IS major, so I figured he needed to be loaded to the gills with 'puter power. Mark At 12:45 PM 09/20/2000 -0400, William Armstrong wrote: >Mark, > >An A20p for college! That will get some looks. Hopefully he will guard it >well. He should be able to do homework fast! > >I have a reputation as the bagman and I have found nothing better than the >Tom Bihn Brain Bag backpack (http://www.tombihn.com/). It will hold two >A20p's and still have a bit of room. I know because when I got mine I was >lugging it around as well as my T770Z while I made the transition. The >Trager Cross Country that Steven talks about looks good, too. It's at the >same website. It's not as big as the Brain Bag, but looks more stylish. With >the Brain Bag you need the Lapdog as well. It's a padded sleeve for the >laptop. I sometimes use it alone with a shoulder strap. Lately I've given >the Brain Bag a rest and am using the Lapdog sleeve in a Patagonia messenger >bag. This works well on my bike as I tool around NYC to meetings and the >like. >My younger brother recently went off to college on a full >scholarship, and as a reward, I gave him one of our A20p's >(262961U w/256megs and mini pci card) to use along with a >P3-933 desktop box for his dorm (GeForce2, 256megs, 18gig >for the curious ) to similarly match his desktop configuration. > >He loves the machine, but his major complaint is he wants a >backpack to use with it to carry his laptop and a few books >and pad, etc... I know my A20p (26296AU) is pretty massive but I use >a deluxe targus leather case which could hold a bottomless >ocean if required. > >Has anyone used a backpack solution with an A20p or similar? >What brand/model? Any other great brands/models that will >house an A20p? > >In comp.sys.laptops right now, there is a huge thread on >dead pixels. I've ordered roughly 16 A20p's over the last >few months, and during configuration, they've all had ZERO >bad pixels. Are bad pixels becoming the exception rather >than the norm? ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Sep 20 18:14:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA30074 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:14:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24819; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:13:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:12:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24356; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:12:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24342; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:11:59 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA24291; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:11:52 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <007701c0234f$c61dbc80$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Jon" Cc: "Thinkpad mailing list" References: Subject: [TPnone - way OT, sorry] Re: Ok picky ppl, hows 20" triniton .26mm for , Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 12:11:49 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > PICKY ?? errr did i say Picky ??.... I mean PERKY ! it must be my 0.81 mm > on my 480X 620 monitor screen ! :p Hah! I haven't been called "perky" in...er, um, OK, never, I've never been called "perky". I *have* been called "jerky", "petty", "icky", and "IBM shill" (oops - different thread). - David R. From cph Wed Sep 20 18:56:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA30348 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:56:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29305; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:54:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:51:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28979; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:51:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail6.nc.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA28964; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mail6.nc.rr.com (24.93.67.53 -> mail6.southeast.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:51:37 -0400 Received: from snyderman ([24.88.243.147]) by Mail6.nc.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.357.35); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:49:33 -0400 Message-ID: <004301c02355$05d1c600$93f35818@nc.rr.com> From: "Ron Snyder" To: Subject: unsubscribe Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:49:24 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph Wed Sep 20 19:09:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA30441 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:09:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00680; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:08:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:05:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00404; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:05:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00391; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:05:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp8.xs4all.nl (194.109.127.134 -> smtp8.xs4all.nl) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 19:05:40 -0400 Received: from framfab.nl (strak.xs4all.nl [194.109.240.71]) by smtp8.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA13429 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:41:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <39C92F1F.28A30223@framfab.nl> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 23:41:51 +0200 From: Jeroen Elfferich Organization: http://www.netlinqframfab.nl/ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: A20p carrying case? References: <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <3.0.6.32.20000919183512.0168dc70@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Mark Bell wrote: > Has anyone used a backpack solution with an A20p or similar? > What brand/model? Any other great brands/models that will > house an A20p? My girlfriend got me a small Samsonite backpack for Christmas last year. It suited my 770X just fine, it probably was the smallest and lightest backpack for a laptop out there - ideal for biking to work everyday, which I do. However, when I got my A20p, it wouldn't fit in anymore due to its increased size. My colleague had a slightly larger Samsonite, with a few extra compartments, that holds the A20p just fine. In addition, it has some extra compartments, so you can put in some extra books etc. easier than in the smaller model. We swapped bags, his Latitude fitted in my old bag, and I like the bigger one better! Since I'm in The Netherlands, I don't know if these backpacks are available in the USA, but you could consider asking a Samsonite reseller. > In comp.sys.laptops right now, there is a huge thread on > dead pixels. I've ordered roughly 16 A20p's over the last > few months, and during configuration, they've all had ZERO > bad pixels. Are bad pixels becoming the exception rather > than the norm? Well, I've ordered 2 A20p's. The first had three bad pixels, my current A20p zero. None of my previous Thinkpads had dead pixels... Jeroen From cph Wed Sep 20 20:36:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA31216 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:36:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07777; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:36:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:33:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07544; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA07531; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:33:53 -0400 Received: from p3-800 (client-151-204-210-38.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.38]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA18326 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000920204008.01694100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:40:08 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20000920165904.01ee59f0@pilot.msu.edu> References: <3.0.6.32.20000919183512.0168dc70@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:01 PM 09/20/2000 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >Of the last six ThinkPads I've ordered (3 i series, an A20, a T20 and a 600x) >only one had a bax pixel on it: the A21. Kinda weird how the most powerful >and expensive unit had the bad pixel! Wow, you got an A21? :-P Talk about luck! I guess because of the thread in comp.sys.laptops, it has me wondering at what rate people get bad pixels. I have yet to see an A20p with bad pixels. A few 600's we had before had zero bad pixels, and I think two 770's had a bad pixel (an ED and an X). Mark ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Wed Sep 20 21:16:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA31511 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:16:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10720; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:14:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:13:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10334; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:13:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.paceindustries.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10264; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.paceindustries.com (208.228.112.131 -> paceindustries.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:13:08 -0400 Received: FROM lpag1.paceind.com BY www.paceindustries.com ; Wed Sep 20 19:54:15 2000 -0500 Received: by LPAG1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:13:24 -0500 Message-ID: From: Ken Whelan To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:13:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Okay I've got to pitch in here I've got an A20P with two bad pixels. It is a 2629-62u model. I also think that Greg, a friend, who is also on this list has one that has a bad pixel as well, he can confirm. I have to say, I have probably 30+ thinkpad's around my office an have never seen a bad pixel on one before this one. This one also has a bad RJ-45 port on the back of it. The one in the Dock is fine. Whenever I get a chance to send it back to EZ-Serve I will see if I can get them to fix the bad pixels as well. Later Ken -----Original Message----- From: Mark Bell [mailto:bytehead@bellatlantic.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:40 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) At 05:01 PM 09/20/2000 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >Of the last six ThinkPads I've ordered (3 i series, an A20, a T20 and a 600x) >only one had a bax pixel on it: the A21. Kinda weird how the most powerful >and expensive unit had the bad pixel! Wow, you got an A21? :-P Talk about luck! I guess because of the thread in comp.sys.laptops, it has me wondering at what rate people get bad pixels. I have yet to see an A20p with bad pixels. A few 600's we had before had zero bad pixels, and I think two 770's had a bad pixel (an ED and an X). From cph Wed Sep 20 21:35:50 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA31689 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:35:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12396; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:34:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:33:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12281; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:33:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot19.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12268; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot19.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.39 -> pilot19.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:33:03 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cherryholmes.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.41]) by pilot19.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8L1X0t61626 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:33:00 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000920212950.01f244c0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:32:56 -0400 To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I think the number of A20's with bad pixels is no surprise. As I understand them, they're made a different way and the higher resolution units are really pushing the envelope of what can be done today. I have heard from a friend who has seen a Dell 1600x1200 laptop that it too had some bad pixels. I'm getting the feeling that the process has gotten nearly perfect for XGA types of displays now, with the higher resolution screen manufacturing process needing more work before its as good as the XGA system. At 08:13 PM 9/20/00 -0500, Ken Whelan wrote: >Okay I've got to pitch in here I've got an A20P with two bad pixels. It is >a 2629-62u model. I also think that Greg, a friend, who is also on this >list has one that has a bad pixel as well, he can confirm. I have to say, >I have probably 30+ thinkpad's around my office an have never seen a bad >pixel on one before this one. > >This one also has a bad RJ-45 port on the back of it. The one in the Dock >is fine. Whenever I get a chance to send it back to EZ-Serve I will see >if I can get them to fix the bad pixels as well. > >Later >Ken > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Bell [mailto:bytehead@bellatlantic.net] >Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:40 PM >To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >Subject: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) > > >At 05:01 PM 09/20/2000 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > >Of the last six ThinkPads I've ordered (3 i series, an A20, a T20 and a >600x) > >only one had a bax pixel on it: the A21. Kinda weird how the most powerful > >and expensive unit had the bad pixel! > >Wow, you got an A21? :-P Talk about luck! I guess because of >the thread in comp.sys.laptops, it has me wondering at what >rate people get bad pixels. I have yet to see an A20p with >bad pixels. A few 600's we had before had zero bad pixels, >and I think two 770's had a bad pixel (an ED and an X). From cph Wed Sep 20 21:41:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA31722 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:41:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13078; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:38:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12782; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:38:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12769; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:38:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (24.131.172.171 -> el10-24-131-172-171.ce.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:38:06 -0400 Received: from uic.edu ([172.16.172.99] [172.16.172.99] ) by yanos.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:38:01 -0600 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 20:38:01 -0500 (CDT) From: George Yanos Reply-To: George Yanos To: "STeve Andre'" cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: RE: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20000920212950.01f244c0@pilot.msu.edu> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: gyanos@tigger.cc.uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On the other hand, I sent a 600 back for service and didn't mention the one bad pixel off in a corner of the screen. It came back with a new screen just the same. I'd hope they would fix the bad pixels at some point. ********************************************************************* * George Yanos * * * UTC at UIC * * * 312-413-0059(w) * * * 708-848-4221(h) * * * gyanos@uic.edu * * ********************************************************************* From cph Wed Sep 20 21:47:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA31742 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:47:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13591; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:42:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13354; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13341; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:42:38 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a12.pm3-32.theriver.com [206.102.192.76]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D7C125D9C; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:39:51 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <39C967F8.DD761AA0@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 18:44:24 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: turgut kalfaoglu Cc: TP List Subject: Re: Thinkpad A20m in cars References: <200009201125.OAA22141@home.egenet.com.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: turgut kalfaoglu wrote: > > I have a converter that turns 12v to 110V, but up to 50 watts. > > But looking at my TP A20m's adaptor, I see that it's rated at 79VA. > Hmmm. I think that 79VA converts to something like 56W. I don't exactly remember the formula. I had a 650VA UPS and it had an output of 420W.... > Does it REALLY consume 80W, or is that an "up to" figure; > I just wonder if I'd fry the converter if I tried :) Volt-Amperes does not equal Watts... James Mckenzie From cph Wed Sep 20 21:59:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA31814 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:59:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14944; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:56:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14739; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:56:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot14.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14725; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot14.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.34 -> pilot14.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:56:12 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (cherryholmes.pls.msu.edu [35.8.65.41]) by pilot14.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8L1uCh18392 for ; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:56:12 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000920215505.01f55670@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:56:06 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Thinkpad A20m in cars In-Reply-To: <39C967F8.DD761AA0@theriver.com> References: <200009201125.OAA22141@home.egenet.com.tr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: 79VA should be about 56 watts. If I remember right, w = VA * .707 I think it should work for you, Turgut. --STeve Andre' At 06:44 PM 9/20/00 -0700, James Mckenzie wrote: >turgut kalfaoglu wrote: > > > > I have a converter that turns 12v to 110V, but up to 50 watts. > > > > But looking at my TP A20m's adaptor, I see that it's rated at 79VA. > > >Hmmm. I think that 79VA converts to something like 56W. I don't >exactly remember the formula. I had a 650VA UPS and it had an output of >420W.... > > > Does it REALLY consume 80W, or is that an "up to" figure; > > I just wonder if I'd fry the converter if I tried :) > >Volt-Amperes does not equal Watts... > >James Mckenzie From cph Thu Sep 21 00:19:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA32660 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:19:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23613; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:17:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23136; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:17:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from edam.direct.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23118; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:17:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from edam.direct.ca (199.60.229.6 -> edam.direct.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:17:29 -0400 Received: from bc-van-wwd-a53-01-52.look.ca ([216.66.143.148] helo=direct.ca) by edam.direct.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #7) id 13bxnb-00014z-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:17:27 -0700 Message-ID: <39C9893F.6E81F2E3@direct.ca> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:06:23 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: unsubscribe From cph Thu Sep 21 00:19:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA32666 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:19:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23609; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:19:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:17:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23094; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gouda.direct.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23081; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:17:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from gouda.direct.ca (199.60.229.9 -> gouda.direct.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 00:17:22 -0400 Received: from bc-van-wwd-a53-01-52.look.ca ([216.66.143.148] helo=direct.ca) by gouda.direct.ca with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #6) id 13bxnJ-0006W1-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:17:09 -0700 Message-ID: <39C9892D.69FC7BD7@direct.ca> Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2000 21:06:05 -0700 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-CCK-MCD NSCPCD47 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: unsubscribe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: From cph Thu Sep 21 03:04:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA00928 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:03:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00789; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:59:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00336; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA00323; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:59:53 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-330.gate.net [199.227.131.139]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA496466; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:59:33 -0400 Message-ID: <39C9B201.ECDD2FEC@gate.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:00:17 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) References: <3.0.6.32.20000919183512.0168dc70@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <3.0.6.32.20000920204008.01694100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I've sold about 18 to 20 A20p, bad pixel rate is high in comparison to the 770Z machines.. BUT, the percentage of a stuck pixel to a clear display is improving.. Mark Bell wrote: > At 05:01 PM 09/20/2000 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > >Of the last six ThinkPads I've ordered (3 i series, an A20, a T20 and a 600x) > >only one had a bax pixel on it: the A21. Kinda weird how the most powerful > >and expensive unit had the bad pixel! > > Wow, you got an A21? :-P Talk about luck! I guess because of > the thread in comp.sys.laptops, it has me wondering at what > rate people get bad pixels. I have yet to see an A20p with > bad pixels. A few 600's we had before had zero bad pixels, > and I think two 770's had a bad pixel (an ED and an X). > > Mark > > ------------------------------------------------- > Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting > 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 > Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 > Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net > ------------------------------------------------- > Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic > RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. > Network and System consultation and installation > -------------------------------------------------- -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Thu Sep 21 03:04:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA00932 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:04:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00914; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:03:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:02:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00591; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:02:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA00563; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:01:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:01:38 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-330.gate.net [199.227.131.139]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA370724; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:01:02 -0400 Message-ID: <39C9B25B.76A6B05@gate.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:01:47 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ken Whelan CC: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Strange.. my personal A20p has the exact same problems.. bad RJ-45 and a bad pixel.. Ken Whelan wrote: > Okay I've got to pitch in here I've got an A20P with two bad pixels. It is > a 2629-62u model. I also think that Greg, a friend, who is also on this > list has one that has a bad pixel as well, he can confirm. I have to say, > I have probably 30+ thinkpad's around my office an have never seen a bad > pixel on one before this one. > > This one also has a bad RJ-45 port on the back of it. The one in the Dock > is fine. Whenever I get a chance to send it back to EZ-Serve I will see > if I can get them to fix the bad pixels as well. > > Later > Ken > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Bell [mailto:bytehead@bellatlantic.net] > Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2000 10:40 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) > > At 05:01 PM 09/20/2000 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: > >Of the last six ThinkPads I've ordered (3 i series, an A20, a T20 and a > 600x) > >only one had a bax pixel on it: the A21. Kinda weird how the most powerful > >and expensive unit had the bad pixel! > > Wow, you got an A21? :-P Talk about luck! I guess because of > the thread in comp.sys.laptops, it has me wondering at what > rate people get bad pixels. I have yet to see an A20p with > bad pixels. A few 600's we had before had zero bad pixels, > and I think two 770's had a bad pixel (an ED and an X). -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Thu Sep 21 03:25:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA00988 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:25:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02572; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:22:25 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02371; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:22:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA02316; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:21:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:21:51 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-330.gate.net [199.227.131.139]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA288360; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:18:54 -0400 Message-ID: <39C9B68A.235A15FF@gate.net> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 03:19:38 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: chuck@ccncn.org, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Drive in UltraSlimBay in 600E References: <39C385C7.21011.2B1ECD@localhost> <39C515BF.EE1CA892@gate.net> <001901c020f4$6e86a200$e28d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id DAA02572 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA00989 David.. this whole OS (w98SE) is so crash prone, the whole thing needs to be rebuilt.. but recall, it happens on two different boxes.. using Netscape® Communicator 4.61.. i know, its old.. :-\ David Ross wrote: > > after the egghead site crashed TWO of my desktype boxes (probably > > because i would not allow cookies and other stuff to be run on my > > boxes), > [...] > > why did two boxes crash when i did > > not accept their cookies and other 'implants'..?! > > Probably time to reinstall your browser. I'm on full security maximum > (cookie blocking software + script > blocking software + anonymizer + firewall + working through a proxy server) > and rarely have problems with > Egghead's site. However, their reliability as a merchant really depends on > whether you're actually buying > from them, or through one of their in-house merchants. I've had bad luck > with egghead-as-merchant, > some terrible luck with some of their "superstores" (e.g., Royal), and great > luck with others (notably IBM, > whose auctions through egghead are often a great deal). > > - David R. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Thu Sep 21 04:49:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA01256 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 04:49:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06737; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 04:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 04:38:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06601; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 04:38:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA06577; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 04:38:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 04:38:27 -0400 Received: from tk-laptop (tk-laptop.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.38]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA12776; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:37:34 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009210837.LAA12776@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "Mark Bell" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:38:00 +0300 Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.90.3000) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.20000920204008.01694100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) List-Unsubscribe: Huh, my A20m has NO bad pixels.. I guess I should rejoice :) Then again, it's crippled by WinME :) -turgut ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Thu Sep 21 05:35:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA01373 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 05:34:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13386; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 05:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 05:24:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13281; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 05:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wm001.joymail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA13268; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 05:24:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wm001.joymail.com (209.133.47.106 -> wm001.joymail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 05:24:17 -0400 Received: from wm001.joymail.com (wm001.joymail.com [209.133.47.106]) by wm001.joymail.com (8.9.3/8.9.0) with SMTP id CAA64976 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:22:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <39C9D36E.000001.64974@wm001.joymail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 02:22:54 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: Text/Plain From: "Wilson Yip" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Subject: Thinkpad 770X - Cannot Use Serial Port in OS/2 Warp List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id FAA13386 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id FAA01377 I am using Warp 4 with FP14 together with the SIO drivers.I have not been sucessful in getting the serial port to be enabled. 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Get USD22.00 per sale, go to http://www.chinese-dns.com ·Q¤j´T´£°ªºô¯¸¦¬¤J¶Ü¡S «ç¼Ë¤~¯àÀò±o¨Cµ§¾P°â22¬ü¤¸ªº¦þª÷©O¡S §Ö¨ì http://www.chinese-dns.com ½u¤W¥Ó½Ð¥[¤J¤¤¤åºô§}µù¥U¤À¾P°Ó¡C From cph Thu Sep 21 08:55:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA02218 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:54:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24545; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:53:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:51:24 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24337; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taxismtp2.alchemyfx.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24323; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:51:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taxismtp2.alchemyfx.com (209.132.220.152 -> taxismtp2.alchemy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:51:22 -0400 Received: from 770z (vpn68.corp.harris.com [137.237.52.68]) by taxismtp2.alchemyfx.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA00323 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 05:32:33 -0700 Message-ID: <002301c023ca$a0bd4b60$4434ed89@bpd.harris.com> From: "Richard Chalk" To: References: <3.0.6.32.20000919183512.0168dc70@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <3.0.6.32.20000920204008.01694100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <39C9B201.ECDD2FEC@gate.net> Subject: WinME on ThinkPad 770Z?? Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:50:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Has anyone besides me tried WindowsME on a 770Z? (13.7" SXGA Display) Everything seems to work OK except DVD player. Does anyone know of an update? (DVD Express) TIA Richard From cph Thu Sep 21 09:04:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA02239 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:03:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25349; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:59:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25146; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:59:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25132; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:59:42 -0400 Received: from tk-laptop (tk-laptop.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.38]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA24191; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:58:43 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009211258.PAA24191@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "Richard Chalk" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:59:08 +0300 Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.90.3000) In-Reply-To: <002301c023ca$a0bd4b60$4434ed89@bpd.harris.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: WinME on ThinkPad 770Z?? List-Unsubscribe: There is a whopping 16MB download at thinkpad site for DVD under ME.. On A20m, DVD worked before and after ME. One of the few things, actually :) -turgut On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 08:50:41 -0400, Richard Chalk wrote: >Has anyone besides me tried WindowsME on a 770Z? (13.7" SXGA Display) >Everything seems to work OK except DVD player. Does anyone know of an >update? (DVD Express) > >TIA >Richard > > ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Thu Sep 21 09:35:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA02431 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:35:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28764; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:32:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28446; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:32:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28427; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:32:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:32:56 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA17206; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:32:52 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <39CA0E04.C4F1A02D@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:32:52 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-2.smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) References: <3.0.6.32.20000919183512.0168dc70@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <3.0.6.32.20000920204008.01694100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: We've had about 15 600s, 2 570s, 3 T20s, and not a single bad pixel among them! --Lee Hetherington From cph Thu Sep 21 09:50:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA02549 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:50:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00751; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:49:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:47:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00550; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00535; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:47:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (216.254.0.17 -> eve.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:47:38 -0400 Received: from RWMann.com (rwmann-4.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.73.95]) by eve.speakeasy.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8LDif012383 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 06:44:41 -0700 Message-ID: <39CA113C.1D35B76A@RWMann.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:46:36 -0400 From: RWM Organization: R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad User Group Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) References: <3.0.6.32.20000919183512.0168dc70@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <3.0.6.32.20000920204008.01694100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <39CA0E04.C4F1A02D@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: An assortment of 510Cs, 560, 560Z's; no BPS... (Knock wood.) - Bob Mann I Lee Hetherington wrote: > > We've had about 15 600s, 2 570s, 3 T20s, and not a single bad pixel > among them! > > --Lee Hetherington -- R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. > Airline Industry Analysis and Consulting Port Washington, NY 11050 > tel 516-944-0900, fax 516-944-7280 mailto:info@RWMann.com > URL http://www.RWMann.com/ From cph Thu Sep 21 12:20:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA04423 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:20:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18779; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:18:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:15:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18208; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:15:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18194; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:15:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:15:39 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA42552; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:15:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BlackBird (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA98639; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:15:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <021701c023e7$76848df0$0c11a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "I Lee Hetherington" , "Mark Bell" Cc: References: <3.0.6.32.20000919183512.0168dc70@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <3.0.6.32.20000920204008.01694100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <39CA0E04.C4F1A02D@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:17:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Maybe you need to get spectacles! ----- Original Message ----- From: "I Lee Hetherington" To: "Mark Bell" Cc: Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:32 AM Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) > We've had about 15 600s, 2 570s, 3 T20s, and not a single bad pixel > among them! > > --Lee Hetherington > > > From cph Thu Sep 21 12:38:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA04620 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:38:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20933; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:32:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20549; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:32:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20536; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (24.131.172.171 -> el10-24-131-172-171.ce.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:32:11 -0400 Received: from uic.edu (condor.utc.uic.edu [131.193.92.223] ) by yanos.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:32:00 -0600 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:31:55 -0500 (CDT) From: George Yanos Reply-To: George Yanos To: "David W. Taylor" cc: I Lee Hetherington , Mark Bell , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) In-Reply-To: <021701c023e7$76848df0$0c11a8c0@detayls.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: gyanos@tigger.cc.uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: 600, 570 and t20 all have 1024x768 screens I think. The ones with bad pixels have bigger screens, don't they? (Actually, how big?) On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, David W. Taylor wrote: >Maybe you need to get spectacles! > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "I Lee Hetherington" >To: "Mark Bell" >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:32 AM >Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) > > >> We've had about 15 600s, 2 570s, 3 T20s, and not a single bad pixel >> among them! >> >> --Lee Hetherington >> >> >> > ********************************************************************* * George Yanos * * * UTC at UIC * * * 312-413-0059(w) * * * 708-848-4221(h) * * * gyanos@uic.edu * * ********************************************************************* From cph Thu Sep 21 12:45:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA04690 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:45:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22456; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:43:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:41:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22105; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22092; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:41:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dnai.com (207.181.194.98 -> dnai.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:41:44 -0400 Received: from azoth.dnai.com (azoth.dnai.com [207.181.194.94]) by dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA64233; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:41:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BlackBird (dnai-216-15-88-178.cust.dnai.com [216.15.88.178]) by azoth.dnai.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA00852; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <023b01c023eb$1c33d6e0$0c11a8c0@detayls.com> From: "David W. Taylor" To: "George Yanos" Cc: "I Lee Hetherington" , "Mark Bell" , References: Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 09:43:45 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I recently sold my TP 600, which had 3 bad pixels and now my new A20p has 5 bad pixels. The TP 600 had a 13.3" screen at 1024x768 resolution and there are three different A20 resolutions/sizes. My model 2629-62U has a 15.4" 1400x1050 resolution. It is not clear to me that there is much difference in your chances based on size/resolution. The biggest factor for me, was probably that I was a very early customer for both models, when IBM *may* have relaxed their guidelines slightly. My earlier "smart remark" was only half joking. I have showed the bad pixels to several people and they literally couldn't see them or even guess what I was talking about. "He's wandering again...." David ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Yanos" To: "David W. Taylor" Cc: "I Lee Hetherington" ; "Mark Bell" ; Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 9:31 AM Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) > 600, 570 and t20 all have 1024x768 screens I think. The ones with bad > pixels have bigger screens, don't they? (Actually, how big?) > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, David W. Taylor wrote: > > >Maybe you need to get spectacles! > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "I Lee Hetherington" > >To: "Mark Bell" > >Cc: > >Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:32 AM > >Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) > > > > > >> We've had about 15 600s, 2 570s, 3 T20s, and not a single bad pixel > >> among them! > >> > >> --Lee Hetherington > >> > >> > >> > > > > ********************************************************************* > * George Yanos * * > * UTC at UIC * * > * 312-413-0059(w) * * > * 708-848-4221(h) * * > * gyanos@uic.edu * * > ********************************************************************* > > > From cph Thu Sep 21 12:54:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA04747 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:54:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24653; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:52:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:50:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24110; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:50:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24097; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:50:35 -0400 Received: from bigkahoona2 ([32.100.117.180]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <2000092116503325200frstre>; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:50:34 +0000 From: "David Lee" To: Subject: RE: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:44:48 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: A20p has a 1400x1050 LCD TFT screen. All others except some 770X and 770Z have a 1024x768 LCD screen. -----Original Message----- From: George Yanos [mailto:gyanos@uic.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 12:32 PM To: David W. Taylor Cc: I Lee Hetherington; Mark Bell; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) 600, 570 and t20 all have 1024x768 screens I think. The ones with bad pixels have bigger screens, don't they? (Actually, how big?) On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, David W. Taylor wrote: >Maybe you need to get spectacles! > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "I Lee Hetherington" >To: "Mark Bell" >Cc: >Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:32 AM >Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) > > >> We've had about 15 600s, 2 570s, 3 T20s, and not a single bad pixel >> among them! >> >> --Lee Hetherington >> >> >> > ********************************************************************* * George Yanos * * * UTC at UIC * * * 312-413-0059(w) * * * 708-848-4221(h) * * * gyanos@uic.edu * * ********************************************************************* From cph Thu Sep 21 12:54:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA04745 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:54:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24456; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:50:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23936; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:50:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23875; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (141.213.75.22 -> srvr20.engin.umich.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:50:14 -0400 Received: from azure.engin.umich.edu (root@azure.engin.umich.edu [141.213.74.24]) by srvr20.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA05880 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (arteitle@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by azure.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA17904 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:50:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:50:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, George Yanos wrote: > 600, 570 and t20 all have 1024x768 screens I think. The ones with bad > pixels have bigger screens, don't they? (Actually, how big?) > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, David W. Taylor wrote: > > >Maybe you need to get spectacles! > > > >From: "I Lee Hetherington" > > > >> We've had about 15 600s, 2 570s, 3 T20s, and not a single bad pixel > >> among them! I have two thinkpads, both decidedly non-new. A 701C and a 560, both with two or three bad pixels. The bad ones are such that they never become transmissive in one primary color, which means that a solid white screen has a pixel or two of cyan or magenta on it, but a black screen looks normal. I wonder if these can develop over time? Aaron Teitlebaum arteitle@engin.umich.edu From cph Thu Sep 21 12:54:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA04746 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:54:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24461; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:50:16 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23902; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23876; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:50:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (24.131.172.171 -> el10-24-131-172-171.ce.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 12:50:14 -0400 Received: from uic.edu (yorktown.utc.uic.edu [131.193.92.186] ) by yanos.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:50:04 -0600 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 11:50:03 -0500 (CDT) From: George Yanos Reply-To: George Yanos To: "David W. Taylor" cc: I Lee Hetherington , Mark Bell , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) In-Reply-To: <023b01c023eb$1c33d6e0$0c11a8c0@detayls.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: gyanos@tigger.cc.uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: When I had the bad pixel on the 600, it was my own machine, I decided it wasn't worth fussing about. That was easier than training myself not to notice it, but in the end I did learn to let it go by unnoticed. It was in the upper right corner, which helped. Sometimes I think people who can't see glaring flaws like a red pixel on a black background, or a door a 1/4 inch out of square, are lucky. In their case, ignorance is bliss rather than a hard-to-acquire skill. :-) PS: My 600 was an early 600. On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, David W. Taylor wrote: ... >It is not clear to me that there is much difference in your chances based on >size/resolution. The biggest factor for me, was probably that I was a very >early customer for both models, when IBM *may* have relaxed their guidelines >slightly. > >My earlier "smart remark" was only half joking. I have showed the bad >pixels to several people and they literally couldn't see them or even guess >what I was talking about. "He's wandering again...." > >David ... ********************************************************************* * George Yanos * * * UTC at UIC * * * 312-413-0059(w) * * * 708-848-4221(h) * * * gyanos@uic.edu * * ********************************************************************* From cph Thu Sep 21 13:34:35 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA05128 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:34:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01062; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:32:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:30:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00622; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot07.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA00604; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot07.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.27 -> pilot07.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:30:34 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm453-29.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.183]) by pilot07.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8LHUVi45380 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:30:31 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000921132353.01ee7420@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 13:30:23 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Depending on the process used to create the display, there are greater chances of bad pixels popping up. TFT displays are made all at once on an assembly line, just about pouring the electronics on the back of the display with no room for error at all--thats why they're still so expensive. Learning how to make them in quantity cost a lot of money. What I have read is that the connectivity to a transistor can become dislodged over time, so small and thin are is the connection. Older units did this more: my 700C (which ate 5 screens between bad pixels and the horrid hinge) developed several pixels that were blown open, sometimes after several months of use. I believe that todays units are less likely to develop bad pixels except in the case harsh physical jarring and even then less so than the early 90's models. I am hoping that these XGA+ screens get better over time. The A20 that my user has is just incredible. I do want one... --STeve Andre' At 12:50 PM 9/21/00 -0400, Aaron R. Teitlebaum wrote: >On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, George Yanos wrote: > > > 600, 570 and t20 all have 1024x768 screens I think. The ones with bad > > pixels have bigger screens, don't they? (Actually, how big?) > > > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, David W. Taylor wrote: > > > > >Maybe you need to get spectacles! > > > > > >From: "I Lee Hetherington" > > > > > >> We've had about 15 600s, 2 570s, 3 T20s, and not a single bad pixel > > >> among them! > >I have two thinkpads, both decidedly non-new. A 701C and a 560, both with >two or three bad pixels. The bad ones are such that they never become >transmissive in one primary color, which means that a solid white screen >has a pixel or two of cyan or magenta on it, but a black screen looks >normal. I wonder if these can develop over time? > >Aaron Teitlebaum >arteitle@engin.umich.edu From cph Thu Sep 21 15:20:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA06047 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:20:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14516; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:18:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:16:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14043; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:16:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14020; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:16:32 -0400 Received: from zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id e8LJGUL21180; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:16:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) id e8LJGTX10554; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 15:16:29 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: "Tony Rice" Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: Re: IGo Portable Power Pack References: From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 21 Sep 2000 15:16:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Tony Rice"'s message of "Tue, 19 Sep 2000 16:43:46 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 60 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: Howdy- Any my thanks to you for pointing out this product is now available (I remember when it was first announced). I second your statement below about their web site and sales reps. Let me see if I can tell folks what I learned during my ordering process yesterday in the hopes it may be helpful. I can't vouch this is info is true, but it was the closest I could come. Please be sure to confirm with them before you order, just in case I got bad info after my 20 minutes on the phone. First, if you go to the URL quoted there, and then click on "see more products" you get a list of four battery products with similar descriptions. Apparently the $149 and $179 products both refer to the same product (and similarly the $199/$229 pair are the same). They both refer to the battery pack itself. The rep couldn't explain why there were two same products at two different prices, but honored the $149 price. The second, more expensive set of products is the battery plus a car adapter attachment. Once I realized that these batteries put out 12V as if they were a car, I understood what was going on. This translates the 12V to whatever your specific laptop needs (and this is the "model specific" part their blurb describes). If you already own a car adapter (like the Port air/car adapter I use from www.port.com), you do not need to purchase one of the second set of products: http://www.igo.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=1&prrfnbr=13650&cat=&subcat=&link= http://www.igo.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=1&prrfnbr=13972&cat=&subcat=&link= Again, the first one is $30 cheaper than the second for no reason the rep could determine. Hope this info is useful. My unit is on the way with its first road test happening in a month or two. Peace, dNb "Tony Rice" writes: > IGo is a bit of a pain to deal with though, I talked with a couple of > different people there and it is hit or miss whether or not you get someone > who is knowledgeable about their products. The web site is atrocious, > making searching for products difficult unless they are specific to a > particular make/model laptop or if you know the item number (their employees > don't even know that). Plus they've applied the name "Portable Power Pack" > to several unrelated items making searching even more of a challenge. > > The item I'm referring to is: > http://www.igo.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=1&prrfnbr=13650 > &cat=&subcat=&link= From cph Thu Sep 21 17:17:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA06978 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:17:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29463; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:14:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29157; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:14:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.panix.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29115; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:14:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail2.panix.com (166.84.0.213 -> mail2.panix.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:14:38 -0400 Received: from aSqueakSystem (broccole.dialup.access.net [166.84.249.114]) by mail2.panix.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 882A38F0B; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:14:25 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: Celeste 2.0.2492 Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 17:07:56 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re:Thinkpad 770X - Cannot Use Serial Port in OS/2 Warp Cc: shenzhou@bigfoot.com Message-Id: <20000921211425.882A38F0B@mail2.panix.com> List-Unsubscribe: Hi Wilson, Can you check to see if COM1 has been assigned to the IR port? I had a similar problem with my 560E linking to the palm using PilotLink. I'll have access to a 770X early next week that I need to set up for a palm Vx so if you haven't solved the problem by then, email me and we'll work it out together. Michael Cole cole@griffoninc.com squeaking From cph Thu Sep 21 19:09:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA07852 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:09:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10665; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:06:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10272; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:06:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10259; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:06:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (171.69.43.88 -> sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:06:05 -0400 Received: from mira-sjcm-1.cisco.com (mira-sjcm-1.cisco.com [171.69.2.212]) by sj-msg-core-2.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA02692; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tricent (dhcp-171-69-66-200.cisco.com [171.69.66.200]) by mira-sjcm-1.cisco.com (Mirapoint) with SMTP id AOL23656; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:05:30 -0700 (PDT) From: "Tony Rice" To: "Thinkpad" Cc: Subject: RE: IGo Portable Power Pack Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:04:27 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-reply-to: Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: > First, if you go to the URL quoted there, and then click on "see > more products" you get a list of four battery products with similar > descriptions. Apparently the $149 and $179 products both refer to > the same product (and similarly the $199/$229 pair are the same). You may not get what you expect. You probably wont receive the 110V-12V adapter needed to charge the battery at home though you will be able to charge it in the car. The are 4 products that actually make up the 4 possible combinations of the 3 components: the battery (all products include this), the battery charger (actually just a 110VAC-12VDC adapter), and the car charger (required to connect your laptop to the iGo battery): So, in the past they had had: Battery, Charger, Car Cord: $229 Battery, Car Cord: $199 Battery, Charger: $179 Battery alone: $149 (all are titled "Portable Power Pack" for extra confusion). I ordered the $179 configuration because I didn't want to have to look for a charger and theirs is actually pretty compact. The rep I spoke with told me that the $199 and $149 configurations were supposed to be removed from the web page because they weren't selling well since most people didn't already have a 110V-12V adapter lying around. From cph Thu Sep 21 19:19:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA07925 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:19:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11789; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:16:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11575; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:16:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11556; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:16:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (129.10.116.51 -> amber.ccs.neu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:16:05 -0400 Received: from zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (dnb@zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.104]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) with ESMTP id e8LNG3L27136; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from dnb@localhost) by zubenelgenubi.ccs.neu.edu (8.10.0.Beta10/8.10.0.Beta10) id e8LNG3u11047; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 19:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Sender: dnb@ccs.neu.edu To: "Tony Rice" Cc: "Thinkpad" , Subject: Re: IGo Portable Power Pack References: From: dnb@ccs.neu.edu (David N. Blank-Edelman) Date: 21 Sep 2000 19:16:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Tony Rice"'s message of "Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:04:27 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/Emacs 19.34 List-Unsubscribe: Howdy- Phew, thanks for claifying this for me. Calling iGo back, it turns out that they did ship me the correct item. Probably as a result of this confusion, the $149 item number has since been "deactived" according to the rep, even though it still shows up on their web pages. Sorry to propigate the iGo internal confusion to other people. Peace, dNb From cph Thu Sep 21 21:34:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA08781 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:34:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25156; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:31:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24845; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24825; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:31:38 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a7.pm3-32.theriver.com [206.102.192.71]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F03526821; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:30:43 -0700 (MST) Sender: root@theriver.com Message-ID: <39CAB757.F6EDDCB3@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 18:35:19 -0700 From: James Mckenzie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73C-CCK-MCD Caldera Systems OpenLinux [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.16 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David N. Blank-Edelman" Cc: Tony Rice , Thinkpad Subject: Re: IGo Portable Power Pack References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: "David N. Blank-Edelman" wrote: > > Howdy- > Phew, thanks for claifying this for me. Calling iGo back, it turns > out that they did ship me the correct item. Probably as a result of > this confusion, the $149 item number has since been "deactived" > according to the rep, even though it still shows up on their web > pages. Sorry to propigate the iGo internal confusion to other > people. Actually, what I'm looking for is an external battery for a 600E as I plan on using this system for a lengthy time on batteries. I've heard of external Lead Acid packs for cameras. BTW, I do not have a Car adapter, as I don't drive and compute. Which IGo should I look for... James Mckenzie From cph Thu Sep 21 22:13:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA08961 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:13:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28533; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:12:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:11:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28292; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:11:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad1 (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28276; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thinkpad1 (12.79.31.120 -> 120.morristown-23-24rs.nj.dial-access.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:10:55 -0400 Message-ID: <003701c0243a$89355210$781f4f0c@thinkpad1> From: "Donald Mak" To: References: <200009211258.PAA24191@home.egenet.com.tr> Subject: A20 vs T series Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:12:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: I think we may have covered this a while back but I may not have been paying much attention...:) I just received an A20 I ordered for my sister (over a month ago) and it seems nice overall but the one thing that stands out immediately is the palm rest. I think the material (or coating) used on the 770 and 600's felt nicer and appeared much more 'expensive'. The one on the A20 looks almost as bad as the Dells... Do the T series use the same material? Donald Mak From cph Thu Sep 21 22:42:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA09081 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:42:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01560; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:41:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:39:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01243; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01229; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:39:42 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.211]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000922023940.KCDW14966.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 02:39:40 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000921223607.0170d8f0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 22:36:07 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: A20 vs T series In-Reply-To: <003701c0243a$89355210$781f4f0c@thinkpad1> References: <200009211258.PAA24191@home.egenet.com.tr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:12 PM 09/21/2000 -0400, Donald Mak wrote: >Do the T series use the same material? > Yes, the T series is also missing the peachskin coating on the palm rest. I've Complained. It is on the palm rest on the X series, however. From cph Fri Sep 22 00:01:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA09327 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:01:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06928; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:59:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:56:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06631; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from passcal.passcal.nmt.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06618; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:56:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from passcal.passcal.nmt.edu (129.138.26.245 -> passcal.passcal.nmt.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:56:27 -0400 Received: from uniblab (dialin2.passcal.nmt.edu [129.138.26.202]) by passcal.passcal.nmt.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA14218 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:56:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000901c02449$13a58100$ca1a8a81@passcal.nmt.edu> From: "Bob Greschke" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <200009211258.PAA24191@home.egenet.com.tr> <3.0.1.32.20000921223607.0170d8f0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: WinME on a 600X - doing it now Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:55:33 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I figured since I ordered the goofy software a month before it was released that I might as well go ahead and install WinME on my 600X. Everything seems to work with whatever Windows installed for a driver. The only thing a bit funny is the TrackPoint. When you turn the speed of the "mouse" up to a reasonable level (almost all of the way) you can't move the pointer just one pixel. Each movement is a jump of about 3 pixels. I might just keep it that way, though, because the ME mouse driver has a "SnapTo" feature (where the pointer jumps to things like OK buttons when a dialog box comes up) that I've really been missing since I sold my Toshiba. There is no on-screen volume control indication, of course, but at least the volume is still controllable from the keyboard -- which is a bit better than my Sony PGC-F430 did at work when I switched it to ME yesterday. The Sony's screen brightness is also controlled through the keyboard -- it's stuck on high until I get the Sony utilities installed. Standby and Hibernate seem to work OK, but you can't use Fn-F12 to get it to hibernate. Pushing the button just makes a beeping sound. You have to go into hibernate from the Shutdown menu. Fn-F4 for Standby works. So does turning off the display with Fn-F3. Don't know about external monitor control with Fn-F7. Since the Power Management (now Power Options) is minimal I'd guess that the faucet (Fn-F11) doesn't do anything, and the battery fuel gage doesn't work, of course (Fn-F2). Funny thing I just noticed with the sound. Either I muted it, or it didn't come back on after the Standby and Hibernate that I did, but (all) I had to do to get it back was change the volume. I don't think I ever used the mute (Fn-Backspace) with Win98. Is this normal? One thing is that I didn't get that "click" before the sound played after I came out of Standby. That's nice. I was getting that under Win98. Hmmm, there's no "Exit Windows" sound. I guess I'll have to use my Duckman, "Power's off. Let's go!" sound. :-) I'd like to install the new Mediamatics DVD program, but it's too big to get here at home, and you have to install the old version first, and I don't want to get all of my shiny, brandy-new .dll's all dirty. :-) Which brings us to a theory of mine: Would making all of the .dll's that are on the machine now read-only keep programs from writing over them with old junk when you install something? And on a related note, does anyone know what happened to the System File Checker? It's not in System Information where it used to be. Without any other stuff installed it seems to boot up way faster than Win98 did -- about 56 seconds vs way over a minute when I had a clean install of Win98. Shutting down takes about 10 seconds; going to Standby just a few seconds. I'm not sure why, but ME said that it would take 130MB of disk space for hibernation...I have 320MB of RAM. It was roughly half for my Sony at work too. There only seems to be one problem in the Device Manager. "Intel 82371AB/EB PCI Bus Master IDE Controller" is causing conflicts. The Properties sheet comes up with a button that says "Hardware Troubleshooter" which does nothing. :-) Overall I kinda like ME. There are several "little things" that have changed just enough for you to notice. Bob 600X From cph Fri Sep 22 01:47:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA09784 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:47:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11512; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:44:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:42:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11274; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11149; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:38:51 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-396.gate.net [199.227.131.205]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA88726; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:38:09 -0400 Message-ID: <39CAF06E.971556D9@gate.net> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 01:38:54 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: I Lee Hetherington CC: Mark Bell , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) References: <3.0.6.32.20000919183512.0168dc70@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <3.0.6.32.20000920204008.01694100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <39CA0E04.C4F1A02D@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thats the older 1024 x 768 displays.. the 15inch 1400 x 1040 displays seem to have a higher percentage of one or two bad pixels on the displays... growing pains i think.. the rate seems to be slowing.. I Lee Hetherington wrote: > We've had about 15 600s, 2 570s, 3 T20s, and not a single bad pixel > among them! > > --Lee Hetherington -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Sep 22 03:10:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA10063 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:10:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15103; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:09:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:06:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14815; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:06:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14800; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:06:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:06:38 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.197] (helo=139-142-112-197.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13cMuA-0009Cg-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 00:05:54 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:06:47 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000921132353.01ee7420@pilot.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20000921132353.01ee7420@pilot.msu.edu> Lines: 24 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: >TFT displays [...] > What I have >read is that the connectivity to a transistor can become dislodged over time, >so small and thin are is the connection. Older units did this more: my 700C >(which ate 5 screens between bad pixels and the horrid hinge) developed >several pixels that were blown open, sometimes after several months of use. > I've seen several 701C screens with a bad pixel or three (bad in the sense of a colour stuck on, so the white screen looks white but the black screen has blemishes), but I have never noticed a bad pixel appear where there had not been one before. My present 701C screen has no bad pixels at all. They stopped making 701C s almost five years ago. YMMV. -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Fri Sep 22 03:31:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA10126 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:31:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15896; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:17:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15703; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:17:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15685; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:17:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:17:03 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-396.gate.net [199.227.131.205]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA49478; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:16:03 -0400 Message-ID: <39CB075F.8B025BB1@gate.net> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:16:47 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: bad pixels CAN come and go.. this is not a common thing, but i have seen both situations.. unlikely that the 701 or the 560 will develop any at this stage unless a cable connection goes in the top/display unit itself.. "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" wrote: > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, George Yanos wrote: > > > 600, 570 and t20 all have 1024x768 screens I think. The ones with bad > > pixels have bigger screens, don't they? (Actually, how big?) > > > > On Thu, 21 Sep 2000, David W. Taylor wrote: > > > > >Maybe you need to get spectacles! > > > > > >From: "I Lee Hetherington" > > > > > >> We've had about 15 600s, 2 570s, 3 T20s, and not a single bad pixel > > >> among them! > > I have two thinkpads, both decidedly non-new. A 701C and a 560, both with > two or three bad pixels. The bad ones are such that they never become > transmissive in one primary color, which means that a solid white screen > has a pixel or two of cyan or magenta on it, but a black screen looks > normal. I wonder if these can develop over time? > > Aaron Teitlebaum > arteitle@engin.umich.edu -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Sep 22 04:01:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA10193 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 04:01:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18440; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:58:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18327; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA18314; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:58:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 03:58:05 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA01957 for ; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:57:59 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000b01c0246a$d3bebd00$2962183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" References: <3.0.6.32.20000919183512.0168dc70@postoffice2.bellatlantic. net> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> <3.0.6.32.20000920204008.01694100@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <39CA0E04.C4F1A02D@sls.lcs.mit.edu> <39CAF06E.971556D9@gate.net> Subject: Re: Bad Pixel Syndrome (BPS) Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 21:57:56 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Two quick comments: (1) A couple of bad pixels on a 1024 x 768 or 1400 x 1040 display is, for obvious reasons, substantially less annoying than the same number of bad pixels on a 800 x 600 display of the same size. This is even true for somewhat physically larger displays. In any event, rather than comparing the defect rate of displays of different resolutions using the number of bad pixels, we should be using ratio of bad to total, or maybe relative surface area of bad pixels. (2) A program like Douglas Campbell's CHKPXLS.EXE will help highlight the bad pixels on a screen, and occasionally reveal a screen one believed to be perfect as slightly imperfect. Not necessarily a good thing for someone who is easily upset! - David R. From cph Fri Sep 22 04:03:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA10204 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 04:03:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19098; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 04:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 04:00:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18674; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 04:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA18648; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 04:00:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 04:00:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (turgut@localhost) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA08679; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:59:33 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:59:33 +0300 (EET DST) From: Turgut Kalfaoglu To: Jane Loyless cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: A20 vs T series In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000921223607.0170d8f0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: A friend left his TP600 in a heated car, and the film over the palmrest just shrank, and ripped, as if it was some nylon bag exposed to a flame. Just bare metal is visible underneath now. It looks like hell; I am glad my A20m does not seem to have the same film over the palmrest.. -turgut ----- Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Fri Sep 22 07:37:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA10969 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:37:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03678; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:33:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03402; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:33:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03384; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:33:13 -0400 Received: from p3-800 (client-151-204-210-17.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.17]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA15445 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20000922074024.01800400@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 07:40:24 -0700 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: A20 vs T series In-Reply-To: <3.0.1.32.20000921223607.0170d8f0@postoffice.worldnet.att.n et> References: <003701c0243a$89355210$781f4f0c@thinkpad1> <200009211258.PAA24191@home.egenet.com.tr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Well, at least you won't have to worry about the paint rubbing off! :) Seriously, I actually LIKE the gritty palm rests over the 770 series. I find it funny, though, that the 15" SXGA+ models seem like a frankenstein where an i series bottom meets a 770 series top with the thin nature of the 600 series. :) Igor, flip the switch! It's alive! The only problem I've had with the A20's is when installing a fresh Win98. You always end up with one unknown device that apparently is APM in nature (Win98 installs default with ACPI), but this beats APM and the still existent slow down in 3D problem. :) At 10:36 PM 09/21/2000 -0400, you wrote: >At 10:12 PM 09/21/2000 -0400, Donald Mak wrote: > >>Do the T series use the same material? >> > >Yes, the T series is also missing the peachskin coating on the palm rest. >I've Complained. > >It is on the palm rest on the X series, however. > ------------------------------------------------- Mark Bell @ ElectroSoft Consulting 800 College Drive #126 * Vineland, NJ * 08360 Voice: 856-293-9426 =-= Fax : 856-293-9423 Email: bytehead@bellatlantic.net ------------------------------------------------- Providing MS Access, SQL, Visual C and Basic RDBMS solutions to satisfy your database needs. Network and System consultation and installation -------------------------------------------------- From cph Fri Sep 22 10:45:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA11993 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:45:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19382; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:01:59 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18787; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:01:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:01:59 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id KAA29648 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 10:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04556; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:20:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web3604.mail.yahoo.com (204.71.203.99 -> web3604.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 21 Sep 2000 23:20:09 -0400 Message-ID: <20000922032007.18519.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [63.214.218.217] by web3604.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:20:07 PDT Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:20:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Ma Subject: Window ME on TP To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: I have Win 98SE on my i1460. Should I upgrade to Win ME? Any advantage or disadvantage that I might encounter? Please advise. -Alex __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Fri Sep 22 15:11:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA14259 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:11:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25051; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:06:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24683; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24656; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:05:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net (204.147.80.13 -> mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:05:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 57987 invoked by alias); 22 Sep 2000 19:05:49 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 57934 invoked by uid 0); 22 Sep 2000 19:05:47 -0000 Received: from dialupu92.mpls.uswest.net (HELO cschumann) (207.109.17.92) by mplspop3.mpls.uswest.net with SMTP; 22 Sep 2000 19:05:47 -0000 Message-ID: <00a901c024c8$21aa9360$1000a8c0@cschumann> From: "Chris Schumann" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: RAM issues Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:05:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 List-Unsubscribe: Hi, (I may have recently posted about this, but I don't remember a good answer, so...) I recently bought a 600X and it's working great. One program suggested I buy more RAM, so I bought a 128MB part from Micron. While it was on the way, a friend said he had a 64MB piece I could have. Unfortunately, this 64MB part gave me the error code for unsupported RAM. I went to the manufacturer's web site and found the part to be a 64MB 100MHz SDRAM SO-DIMM, which is exactly what the 600X manual says I need. The 128MB part works perfectly, but I'm still puzzled. The 64MB part worked in an Apple PowerBook, so it's probably still good. Can anyone explain why the part might not work in a ThinkPad? Perhaps the voltage requirements are different? Many thanks, Chris From cph Fri Sep 22 15:42:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA14532 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:42:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29141; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:38:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28674; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:37:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28651; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.102 -> pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:37:57 -0400 Received: from CHUCK (adsl-63-198-207-189.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.207.189]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8MJbtj167386 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:37:55 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:37:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: OT:WTB laptop drive Reply-to: chuck@ccncn.org Message-ID: <39CB52A0.2315.53C1FE@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: WTW: 12.5mm laptop drive. 2-4 gb. TIA. From cph Fri Sep 22 15:42:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA14536 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:42:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA29147; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:39:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:38:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28736; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28661; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.102 -> pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:37:58 -0400 Received: from CHUCK (adsl-63-198-207-189.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.207.189]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8MJbuj86254 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:37:56 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:37:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Source for TP 600E's? Reply-to: chuck@ccncn.org Message-ID: <39CB52A0.28850.53C1E9@localhost> Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: Anybody know of a source for decently priced NEW Thinkpad 600E's (366 or 400) or 600X ? TIA From cph Fri Sep 22 15:53:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA14596 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:53:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00941; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:46:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:45:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00682; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:45:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA00571; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:44:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (216.254.0.17 -> eve.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:44:56 -0400 Received: from RWMann.com (rwmann-4.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.73.95]) by eve.speakeasy.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8MJgDh18563 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 12:42:14 -0700 Message-ID: <39CBB692.4292F1B3@RWMann.com> Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 15:44:18 -0400 From: RWM Organization: R.W. 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I had it sitting around powered up but not in use for a few hours, and it all the sudden went into...I don't know, Hibernate? Suspend? Not sure what. The screen went black, and only two of the status lights were on. When I tried to shut it down with the switch, the thinkpad beeped at me. I closed the lid then opened it back up, then hit the spacebar, and suddenly the screen was back up, but frozen. Gradually it "woke up" again. This is not supposed to happen. I have all of the power crap turned off when the 365X is plugged in. I understand when it's on battery it might take measures to protect the battery charge, but when its plugged in it shouldn't do this. The 365X is running Windows95 Retail with all the service packs and Y2K stuff applied. It has 40MB RAM and a 4.3GB HD. --.\\<-H-- Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 -- bosslady@msgeek.com Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! Coming soon: MsGeek.Org -- At last, a geek news site FOR US! Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Fri Sep 22 22:26:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA17068 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:26:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27455; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:24:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27117; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:24:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA27104; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:24:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:24:18 -0400 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.41]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000923022416.FDJK6605.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:24:16 +0000 Received: from [24.189.193.217] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:24:16 +0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: What is a "201" error Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:24:16 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: scosgt@att.net Message-Id: <20000923022416.FDJK6605.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: On a THinkPad 760 series? Thanks From cph Fri Sep 22 22:40:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA17130 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:40:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28847; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:39:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:37:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28643; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:37:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot02.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28618; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:37:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot02.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.22 -> pilot02.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:37:49 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm451-07.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.65]) by pilot02.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8N2bkn48324 for ; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:37:46 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000922223421.01f2a3d0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 22:37:40 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Bizarre power situation with 365X In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I think I'd take the battery out, and run it on AC to see if it happens again. It kinda sounds like the TP was wigging out on you for a lack of voltage. If you're handy with a vom I'd make sure the AC adaptor is feeding the TP the right voltage. Could there have been a temperature problem perhaps, as it was sitting there? If not the AC, then I begin to wonder if the power supply and/or regulators in the TP itself are healthy. --STeve Andre' At 06:27 PM 9/22/00 -0700, Michelle Klein-Hass wrote: >Hi all, > >My 365X behaved very strangely today. I had it sitting around powered up >but not in use for a few hours, and it all the sudden went into...I don't >know, Hibernate? Suspend? Not sure what. The screen went black, and only >two of the status lights were on. When I tried to shut it down with the >switch, the thinkpad beeped at me. I closed the lid then opened it back up, >then hit the spacebar, and suddenly the screen was back up, but frozen. >Gradually it "woke up" again. > >This is not supposed to happen. I have all of the power crap turned off >when the 365X is plugged in. I understand when it's on battery it might >take measures to protect the battery charge, but when its plugged in it >shouldn't do this. > >The 365X is running Windows95 Retail with all the service packs and Y2K >stuff applied. It has 40MB RAM and a 4.3GB HD. > >--.\\<-H-- > >Ms. Geek -- online since 1987 -- bosslady@msgeek.com >Never underestimate the power of a She-Geek! >Coming soon: MsGeek.Org -- At last, a geek news site FOR US! >Snailmail: Box 2273, Van Nuys, CA 91404-2273 From cph Sat Sep 23 00:40:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA17497 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:40:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05629; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:38:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05437; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA05424; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:38:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:38:02 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA05835; Fri, 22 Sep 2000 18:37:50 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000201c02518$063a49e0$5f62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , References: <20000923022416.FDJK6605.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: What is a "201" error Date: Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:22:35 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > On a THinkPad 760 series? According to the Hardware Maintenance Manual: "201: Memory data error." - David R. From cph Sat Sep 23 00:53:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA17530 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:53:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06659; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:52:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:50:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06427; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:50:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06412; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:50:42 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-244.gate.net [207.36.212.244]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA346134; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:49:52 -0400 Message-ID: <39CC369D.EE231841@gate.net> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:50:37 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Ross CC: scosgt@att.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: What is a "201" error References: <20000923022416.FDJK6605.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> <000201c02518$063a49e0$5f62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Dave.. go into easy setup and run the memory test.. if you get an error, remove any add in memory and then rerun the tests.. if you still have a memory error, then you have a hardware error and the machine most likely needs service.. David Ross wrote: > > On a THinkPad 760 series? > > According to the Hardware Maintenance Manual: > > "201: Memory data error." > > - David R. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sat Sep 23 00:54:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA17538 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:54:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07113; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:52:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06763; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:52:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA06608; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:52:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:52:17 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-244.gate.net [207.36.212.244]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA410222; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:52:14 -0400 Message-ID: <39CC372A.138192A@gate.net> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:52:58 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chuck@ccncn.org CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Source for TP 600E's? References: <39CB52A0.28850.53C1E9@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Chuck.. wait a month or so, until the A21 and T21 series begin to ship.. then 600's should drop in value.. :-) Chuck Blaisdell wrote: > Anybody know of a source for decently priced NEW Thinkpad > 600E's (366 or 400) or 600X ? TIA -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sat Sep 23 00:58:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA17576 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:58:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07683; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:58:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:56:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07541; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07509; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:56:18 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-244.gate.net [207.36.212.244]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA424444; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:55:50 -0400 Message-ID: <39CC3803.482FA502@gate.net> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:56:35 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Chris Schumann CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: RAM issues References: <00a901c024c8$21aa9360$1000a8c0@cschumann> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: depends upon where the memory originated.. if it was for a thinkpad 600X then it should have run fine.. that part could have an eprom that might be programmed for a different brand laptop.. Chris Schumann wrote: > Hi, > > (I may have recently posted about this, but I don't remember a good > answer, so...) > > I recently bought a 600X and it's working great. One program suggested I > buy more RAM, so I bought a 128MB part from Micron. > > While it was on the way, a friend said he had a 64MB piece I could have. > Unfortunately, this 64MB part gave me the error code for unsupported RAM. > I went to the manufacturer's web site and found the part to be a 64MB > 100MHz SDRAM SO-DIMM, which is exactly what the 600X manual says I need. > > The 128MB part works perfectly, but I'm still puzzled. > > The 64MB part worked in an Apple PowerBook, so it's probably still good. > > Can anyone explain why the part might not work in a ThinkPad? > > Perhaps the voltage requirements are different? > > Many thanks, > Chris -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sat Sep 23 01:03:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA17596 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:03:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08406; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:01:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08185; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:01:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08114; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:00:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cocopah.gate.net (216.219.246.49 -> cocopah.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:00:39 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-244.gate.net [207.36.212.244]) by cocopah.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA51168; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:59:26 -0400 Message-ID: <39CC38DA.46BDBE5B@gate.net> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:00:11 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Turgut Kalfaoglu CC: Jane Loyless , ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: A20 vs T series References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: not a film, its paint.. not metal, its metalized plastic.. and not really plastic, it used to be a carbon fiber material.. at least on older top model thinkpads.. :-) Turgut Kalfaoglu wrote: > A friend left his TP600 in a heated car, and the film over the palmrest > just shrank, and ripped, as if it was some nylon bag exposed to a flame. > Just bare metal is visible underneath now. > > It looks like hell; I am glad my A20m does not seem to have the same film > over the palmrest.. -turgut > > ----- > Turgut Kalfaoglu, EgeNet Internet Services http://www.egenet.com.tr > All of Turkey Online: http://find.egenet.com.tr -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sat Sep 23 02:49:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA17939 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:49:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12590; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:45:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12413; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harumscarum.mr.itd.umich.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12400; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from harumscarum.mr.itd.umich.edu (141.211.125.17 -> harumscarum.mr.itd.umich.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:45:46 -0400 Received: from lin84001 (pm636-02.dialip.mich.net [207.75.181.108]) by harumscarum.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.3s) with SMTP id CAA02175 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <039e01c02529$ecd8ec60$41b24bcf@lin84001> From: "Jerry Lin" To: Subject: rebate for the original modem card Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 02:45:55 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I got a T20 (2647-21T) w/ 56k modem mini pci card. Couple of weeks ago I ordered an Ethernet/56k combo mini pci card at buy.com I still haven't got that card, but what am I going to do to the original modem card? any way to rebate it or ? Jerry From cph Sat Sep 23 05:45:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA18401 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 05:45:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24211; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 05:44:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 05:42:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24031; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 05:42:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24017; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 05:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 05:42:26 -0400 Received: from tk-laptop (dialup35-r7.egenet.com.tr [212.175.202.37]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA09790; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:41:27 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009230941.MAA09790@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "penzance@gate.net" Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:41:50 +0300 Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.90.3000) In-Reply-To: <39CC38DA.46BDBE5B@gate.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: A20 vs T series List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:00:11 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >not a film, its paint.. >not metal, its metalized plastic.. and not really plastic, it used to be a >carbon fiber material.. at least on older top model thinkpads.. :-) Ok; thanks! Any ideas on what he should put to cover the exposed "carbon fiber" material? I suggested oil-based black paint, but he is afraid it will look terrible.. -turgut ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Sat Sep 23 05:55:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA18420 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 05:55:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24880; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 05:54:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 05:52:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24739; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 05:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24726; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 05:52:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 05:52:40 -0400 Received: from tk-laptop (dialup35-r7.egenet.com.tr [212.175.202.37]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA10219; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:51:43 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009230951.MAA10219@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "Alex Ma" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:52:08 +0300 Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.90.3000) In-Reply-To: <20000922032007.18519.qmail@web3604.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Window ME on TP List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 20:20:07 -0700 (PDT), Alex Ma wrote: >I have Win 98SE on my i1460. >Should I upgrade to Win ME? >Any advantage or disadvantage that I might encounter? >Please advise. >-Alex looks better; acts slower; some Glide games crash (with ATI drivers at least; I dont know about others) -t ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Sat Sep 23 10:21:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA19241 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:21:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09060; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:19:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:17:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08774; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:17:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08758; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:16:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:16:58 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUI9YWBB928WXZYX@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 09:20:32 CST Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 09:20:31 -0600 (CST) From: Jon Subject: Re: A20 vs T series In-reply-to: <200009230941.MAA09790@home.egenet.com.tr> To: turgut kalfaoglu Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "penzance@gate.net" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: if he have $300 ++ to spend i know a place where one can laminate thier laptop with beautiful real wood laminate. Very very very very cool they will laminate the whole laptop. On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, turgut kalfaoglu wrote: > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:00:11 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >not a film, its paint.. > >not metal, its metalized plastic.. and not really plastic, it used to be a > >carbon fiber material.. at least on older top model thinkpads.. :-) > > > Ok; thanks! > Any ideas on what he should put to cover the exposed "carbon fiber" material? > I suggested oil-based black paint, but he is afraid it will look terrible.. > > -turgut > > > > ------------ > EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr > Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr > > > From cph Sat Sep 23 10:34:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA19306 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:34:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10368; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:31:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10196; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:31:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10183; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:31:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.26 -> cpimssmtpu01.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:31:31 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.48.0.17 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 07:30:40 -0700 Message-ID: <004301c0256b$5830dea0$1100303f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Jon" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: Subject: Re: A20 vs T series Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 09:34:11 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: Do they have a website? Booger ----- Original Message ----- > if he have $300 ++ to spend i know a place where one can laminate thier > laptop with beautiful real wood laminate. > > Very very very very cool they will laminate the whole laptop. > From cph Sat Sep 23 11:02:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA19409 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:02:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12740; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:01:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:59:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12547; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:59:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cwcom.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA12534; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:59:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cwcom.net (195.44.0.104 -> email.cwcom.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:59:50 -0400 Received: from cwcom.net ([195.44.203.112]) by cwcom.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.387.38); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:59:07 +0100 Message-ID: <39CCC624.8A0AEC2B@cwcom.net> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:03:00 +0100 From: Terry Filby Reply-To: m02we400@cwcom.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en]C-NECCK (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: TP560E - Have external CDRom Drive via Parallel Port, Linux Drivers? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a TP560E with external Floppy Drive. Have just this moment bought external (Parallel Drive) CDRom Drive with floppy software which I presume won't work on my TP - Mandrake 7.0 is installed and uses most of the 2.1Gb Hard Disk apart from the built-in Easy Setup, could you please advise what Linux software I need to install it, and where I can download it (to my Desktop computer that is, I don't have a modem on the TP). Thanks Terry From cph Sat Sep 23 11:52:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA19601 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:52:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16829; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:49:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16440; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:49:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16425; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:49:29 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id LAA01903; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:49:28 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id LAA20401; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:49:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000923084822.029d8738@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 08:48:43 -0700 To: Jon , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Wood Laminate In-Reply-To: References: <200009230941.MAA09790@home.egenet.com.tr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 09:20 AM 9/23/2000 -0600, you wrote: >if he have $300 ++ to spend i know a place where one can laminate thier >laptop with beautiful real wood laminate. > >Very very very very cool they will laminate the whole laptop. That I would like to see! From cph Sat Sep 23 11:52:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA19605 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:52:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16831; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:51:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:49:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16485; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:49:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot16.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16472; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:49:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot16.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.36 -> pilot16.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:49:45 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm451-07.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.65]) by pilot16.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8NFngh50340 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:49:42 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000923114803.01f627e0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:49:35 -0400 To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: A20 vs T series In-Reply-To: <200009230941.MAA09790@home.egenet.com.tr> References: <39CC38DA.46BDBE5B@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I would complain to IBM about this, and see what they say. If it happened once in the heat, it's likely happened hundreds of times by now. They may offer some suggestions? It really does sound like IBM messed up on this. --STeve Andre' At 12:41 PM 9/23/00 +0300, turgut kalfaoglu wrote: >On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:00:11 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >not a film, its paint.. > >not metal, its metalized plastic.. and not really plastic, it used to be a > >carbon fiber material.. at least on older top model thinkpads.. :-) > > >Ok; thanks! > Any ideas on what he should put to cover the exposed "carbon fiber" > material? >I suggested oil-based black paint, but he is afraid it will look terrible.. > >-turgut From cph Sat Sep 23 11:54:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA19611 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:54:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17592; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:52:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17031; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17017; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:52:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:52:02 -0400 Received: from 110.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.171.110]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000923155157.MMRQ4085.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@110.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:51:57 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Thinkpad 600E RAM and HDD limits? Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:53:00 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39d3ce72.45192684@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id LAA19612 Just got my hands on the above model, and I'm curious as to the actual RAM and hard drive limits, since I know IBM tends to be unreliable about such info. More specifically, the 600E was released with a quoted RAM limit of 288MB, two 128MB chips and the 32MB on the motherboard; a later BIOS release claims to have enabled the BIOS to recognize the later 256MB SO-DIMMs, meaning the limit should/could be 544MB. Does anyone know for certain? Also, somewhere down the line I'm thinking of upgrading the internal hard drive to one of the new, faster Travelstars that are coming out now. Is the 600E ATA-5 compatible, and what's the practical limit on the BIOS for hard drives? I'd think it was close to 30GB anyway. Btw, if there are any 600/570 owners looking for the DVD drive, I ordered one from Centrix Int'l on eBay for $75, which struck me as a great deal (I paid about the same for a battery!). Joe's been doing Dutch auctions in lots of 100, so the price hasn't gone up yet in any of the auctions I've seen for these. Thanks in advance for any help on those questions! Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Sat Sep 23 12:50:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA19950 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:50:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23623; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:47:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23375; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:47:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23362; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:47:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:47:44 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-8.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.161]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA27946; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:47:41 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , Subject: RE: Thinkpad 600E RAM and HDD limits? Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:51:41 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <39d3ce72.45192684@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: EMANUEL IS BACK!!!! Emanuel Brown [mailto:epbrown01@att.net] wrote: > Just got my hands on the above model, and I'm curious as to the > actual RAM and hard drive limits, since I know IBM tends to be > unreliable about such info. > More specifically, the 600E was released with a quoted RAM limit of > 288MB, two 128MB chips and the 32MB on the motherboard; a later BIOS > release claims to have enabled the BIOS to recognize the later 256MB > SO-DIMMs, meaning the limit should/could be 544MB. Does anyone know > for certain? On my 600E (2645-8AU) I'm running the latest BIOS, but for some reason it will only recognize _one_ 256MB stick and one 128MB stick for a total of 384MB, as the 32MB on the planar is apparently mapped out. When I initially removed the 32MB stick that was in the first socket when I got my machine and replaced it with a 128MB stick as well as another in the second socket, all of the memory was mapped on startup and the system maxed out at the originally stated 288MB. When I attempted to upgrade the memory with two 256MB sticks, the system wouldn't even startup. I went back to one 256MB stick and one 128MB stick and everything has been working fine, but the system only reports 384MB of installed memory. Curious. > Also, somewhere down the line I'm thinking of upgrading the > internal hard drive to one of the new, faster Travelstars that are > coming out now. Is the 600E ATA-5 compatible, and what's the practical > limit on the BIOS for hard drives? I'd think it was close to 30GB > anyway. Others have reported no difficulty in installing drives up to 30GB. I'm running a 20GB in my 600E and a 12GB in my 600, no problems. > Btw, if there are any 600/570 owners looking for the DVD drive, I > ordered one from Centrix Int'l on eBay for $75, which struck me as a > great deal (I paid about the same for a battery!). Joe's been doing > Dutch auctions in lots of 100, so the price hasn't gone up yet in any > of the auctions I've seen for these. Thanks for the tip Emanuel. I'll check him out. Regards, James From cph Sat Sep 23 12:56:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA20007 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:56:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24541; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:54:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24365; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:54:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24352; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:54:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:54:04 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id MAA11729; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:54:03 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id MAA04903; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:54:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000923092210.029d6fa0@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 09:25:45 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Laptops in Hot Cars (Was: A20 vs T series) In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20000923114803.01f627e0@pilot.msu.edu> References: <200009230941.MAA09790@home.egenet.com.tr> <39CC38DA.46BDBE5B@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:49 AM 9/23/2000 -0400, you wrote: >I would complain to IBM about this, and see what they say. If it happened >once >in the heat, it's likely happened hundreds of times by now. They may >offer some >suggestions? Yeah, like, "Don't leave your laptop in a car on a sunny summer day where the interior temperature can easily reach well over 120+ degrees and babies & animals would expire inside of 30 minutes under such conditions." C'mon--don't try to blame IBM for this! This was an unfortunate, sloppy mistake made by the owner. > It really does sound like IBM messed up on this. IBM left the laptop in a boiling hot car? From cph Sat Sep 23 13:09:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA20114 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:09:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25885; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:09:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:07:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25713; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:07:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot20.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25689; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:07:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot20.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.40 -> pilot20.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:07:29 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm451-07.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.65]) by pilot20.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8NH7RY30760 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:07:27 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000923130547.01f3caa0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:07:19 -0400 To: TP List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Laptops in Hot Cars (Was: A20 vs T series) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000923092210.029d6fa0@pop3.iceka.com> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000923114803.01f627e0@pilot.msu.edu> <200009230941.MAA09790@home.egenet.com.tr> <39CC38DA.46BDBE5B@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: To the extent that a non-operating thinkpad gets damaged physically, yes, I think thats a fair complaint. I'll point out that I've left my 1451 i series in a scorching car, and it didn't do that! It was fine once I cooled it down. ;-) --STeve Andre' At 09:25 AM 9/23/00 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 11:49 AM 9/23/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>I would complain to IBM about this, and see what they say. If it >>happened once >>in the heat, it's likely happened hundreds of times by now. They may >>offer some >>suggestions? > > Yeah, like, "Don't leave your laptop in a car on a sunny summer > day where the interior temperature can easily reach well over 120+ > degrees and babies & animals would expire inside of 30 minutes under such > conditions." > > C'mon--don't try to blame IBM for this! This was an unfortunate, > sloppy mistake made by the owner. > >> It really does sound like IBM messed up on this. > > IBM left the laptop in a boiling hot car? From cph Sat Sep 23 13:19:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA20180 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:19:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27093; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:17:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26905; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:17:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26892; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:17:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:17:12 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.238]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000923171710.GKAH14966.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:17:10 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000923131333.019a3840@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 13:13:33 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E RAM and HDD limits? In-Reply-To: <39d3ce72.45192684@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: Welcome back! From cph Sat Sep 23 14:06:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA20389 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:06:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00736; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:06:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:04:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00461; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00447; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:04:26 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA19530; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:04:24 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA19643; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 14:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000923105215.029d97c8@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 10:57:52 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Laptops in Hot Cars (Was: A20 vs T series) In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20000923130547.01f3caa0@pilot.msu.edu> References: <4.2.0.58.20000923092210.029d6fa0@pop3.iceka.com> <5.0.0.25.0.20000923114803.01f627e0@pilot.msu.edu> <200009230941.MAA09790@home.egenet.com.tr> <39CC38DA.46BDBE5B@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 01:07 PM 9/23/2000 -0400, you wrote: >To the extent that a non-operating thinkpad gets damaged physically, yes, >I think >thats a fair complaint. The owner subjected it to extreme conditions, else the "physical damage" would not have occurred. That's not a fair complaint at all. >I'll point out that I've left my 1451 i series in a scorching car, and it >didn't do that! >It was fine once I cooled it down. ;-) That's because the i-series isn't really a computer... ;-) Seriously though, you don't really know if the conditions were the same. Whether both PC's were in the sun, weather conditions the same or not, length of time in the car, time of day, etc. You could leave your laptop in the trunk for instance, and the conditions would be far less harsh than sitting on the dash. ...or you just got lucky while your friend didn't. Perhaps the melting/peeling point for his black paint is lower than the melting point of the plastic that comprises your i-series case (but the melting point of his metal case is a bit higher). ;-) From cph Sat Sep 23 15:49:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA20861 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:49:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07258; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:40:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06995; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:40:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06973; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:40:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 15:40:03 -0400 Received: from 185.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.149.185]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000923194000.CEYR4901.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@185.chicago-03-04rs.il.dial-access.att.net>; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:40:00 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: "James H. E. Maugham" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E RAM and HDD limits? Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:41:05 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39cd058a.577889@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA20862 Thanks for the info (and the welcome), Jane and James. NOw the search for RAM chips begins... Emanuel On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 12:51:41 -0500, you wrote: > >When I attempted to upgrade the memory with two 256MB sticks, the system >wouldn't even startup. I went back to one 256MB stick and one 128MB stick and >everything has been working fine, but the system only reports 384MB of installed >memory. Curious. > "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Sat Sep 23 17:10:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA21133 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:10:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13102; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:09:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:07:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12858; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:07:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12844; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:07:24 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-47.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.200]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA04771; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:07:21 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , Subject: RE: Thinkpad 600E RAM and HDD limits? Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:11:24 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <39cd058a.577889@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Emanuel Brown [mailto:epbrown01@att.net] wrote; > Thanks for the info (and the welcome), Jane and James. NOw the > search for RAM chips begins... You can't beat www.crucial.com except for the fact that prices have been creeping up of late. Check with Bill also, he's sometimes got some "specials" lying around under the birds. ;-) Regards, James From cph Sat Sep 23 17:22:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA21190 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:22:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14321; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:21:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:19:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14111; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:19:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14098; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:19:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:19:44 -0400 Received: from ATREYU ([64.108.10.174]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with ESMTP id <20000923211941.BGIU1562.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@ATREYU>; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:19:41 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:19:09 -0500 From: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: "Ronald W. Heiby" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <23837677.20000923161909@falkor.chi.il.us> To: David Martin CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [PGP-USERS] laptop security & Usability In-reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000923103349.01d98590@mail.aloha.net> References: <3.0.6.32.20000920191444.0082ee80@pop.netvigator.com> <3.0.6.32.20000920191444.0082ee80@pop.netvigator.com> <4.3.2.7.2.20000923103349.01d98590@mail.aloha.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello David, I am cc-ing this answer, in case others could use the information. Saturday, September 23, 2000, 3:37:36 PM, you wrote: > Is this screw in an obvious place? My 770ED is in a docking station so > I can't just turn it over and look ;-)) Yes, see below. > I am planning to remove the hard drive before I send it in for warranty > service soon since one of the keys on the keyboard sticks. This is an *excellent* idea. To remove the hard drive, of course you want to be sure that the machine is shut down and powered off (not just suspend). I am fairly certain that the machine must be out of the dock, since one of the purposes of the dock is to prevent various removable components from being removed while it's locked into place. Also, oddly enough, you must make sure that the little leg at the rear of the unit on the power switch side is not extended. Now, looking at the "left" side, where the power switch is, you see just to the right of the switch the headphone jack. directly below the jack, on the bottom of the unit, is where the screw goes. The normal screw (as I recall) has a knurled head and can be fairly easily removed with fingers and/or coin. (I've had my "screw loose" since upgrading from 8 to 24 Gig.) However, if I recall correctly, the system comes with a "security" screw that requires an actual screwdriver. This screw locks the door latch for the hard drive bay. Once the screw is removed, a slide just below the power switch (near the bottom of the case) can be slid towards the front of the unit. Then, that end can be pulled straight out and slid out of the right hand side. Inside is the hard drive in its enclosure. The whole thing just slides (snugly) out. To replace the drive, the process is reversed. As you may have noticed, I have not felt any great need to re-install that screw. Ron. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP Personal Privacy 6.5.3 Comment: Digital signature verifies authorship and unaltered content. iQA/AwUBOc0eSG8pw+2/9pUJEQLHOACcDhF/ftP7mpyJMUaQlhRsPGHgRFEAoL2Q Y8tQLqUzAlYrD0lNHK4P9Hyk =A0kl -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cph Sat Sep 23 18:01:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA21345 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:01:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17305; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:58:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16998; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:58:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16985; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:58:48 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA07600; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:58:42 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <003301c025a9$6df5cd20$2f62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: , References: <39CCC624.8A0AEC2B@cwcom.net> Subject: Re: TP560E - Have external CDRom Drive via Parallel Port, Linux Drivers? Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 11:58:36 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Too bad you didn't get a pcmcia CD, Linux is very good these days with pcmcia devices. Since Linux seems to be able to handle parallel ZIP drives without a problem, likely you'll eventually be able to get your CD working as well. You might try a full web search on the terms "Linux" and "brand-name-of-the-cd-here", as most of the linux howtos and mini-howtos are well indexed on most web search engines. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Filby" To: Sent: Saturday, September 23, 2000 5:03 AM Subject: TP560E - Have external CDRom Drive via Parallel Port, Linux Drivers? > I have a TP560E with external Floppy Drive. Have just this moment bought > external (Parallel Drive) CDRom Drive with floppy software which I > presume won't work on my TP - Mandrake 7.0 is installed and uses most of > the 2.1Gb Hard Disk apart from the built-in Easy Setup, could you please > advise what Linux software I need to install it, and where I can > download it (to my Desktop computer that is, I don't have a modem on the > TP). > > Thanks > > Terry > > > > > From cph Sat Sep 23 18:25:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA21419 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:25:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19228; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:24:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:22:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18847; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18828; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:22:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from spock.leben.com (198.64.225.44 -> 44.225.isdnded3328.hypercon.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 18:22:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (mitch@localhost) by spock.leben.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA32608 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:09:24 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 17:09:24 -0500 (CDT) From: Mitchell Leben To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Laptops in Hot Cars (Was: A20 vs T series) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000923092210.029d6fa0@pop3.iceka.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Covad come out to install my DSL line the other day. The installer pulled out a 600 that had a melted top cover in one corner. He said it was caused by someone 'helping' him out by placing a drop light next to his laptop. When he returned, the back of his laptop was goey. No damage to the display, and the bubbly surface makes for a sure grip! -Mitch From cph Sat Sep 23 19:48:44 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA21791 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:48:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25314; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:47:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:45:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25074; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:45:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25012; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:45:15 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a43.pm3-46.theriver.com [208.164.102.155]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C612616F; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:43:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39CD4085.2CC12562@theriver.com> Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:45:10 -0700 From: Ray Bay Organization: Canyonlands Publishing Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emanuel@brown.org Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Chips: Thinkpad 600E RAM and HDD limits? References: <39cd058a.577889@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have placed hundreds of orders with www.thechipmerchant.com with never a chip problem... and the prices are astounding... but be sure you know what you are ordering as they are unsympathetic if you order the incorrect chips for your model. Ray Emanuel Brown wrote: > Thanks for the info (and the welcome), Jane and James. NOw the > search for RAM chips begins... > From cph Sat Sep 23 20:01:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA21846 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 20:01:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26037; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:52:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:49:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25712; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:49:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25699; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:49:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.103 -> pimout4-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:49:38 -0400 Received: from CHUCK (adsl-63-198-207-189.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.207.189]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8NNnaZ149938 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:49:37 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 16:48:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Suddenly phantom printer port Reply-to: chuck@ccncn.org Message-ID: <39CCDEFA.17195.6604009@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <4.3.2.7.0.20000901220104.01d41670@pilot.msu.edu> References: <39AFFC1A.4286.581C715@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: On 1 Sep 2000, at 22:03, STeve Andre' wrote: > The first thing I'd do is hook the printer up to another computer, to see > if the printer is OK. The second thing would be to hook up another > printer to the suspect computer. Doing those two things will give > you a pretty good clue what's wrong. > > If both work, then you have one of the just wondrous spontaneous > Windows mess ups, and I'm not sure what is the best course for > that. Off hand, I'd delete every printer in the system--every one-- > and then reboot, then add that printer again. Steve and all who answered.... Thank you. It ends up that it was one of those mysterious Windows things. When I went through device manager and manually changed the configuration of the LPT port (enduring all sorts of warnings about PnP), the printer port again works fine. Weird. From cph Sat Sep 23 23:50:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA22755 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:50:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10418; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:49:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:47:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10147; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot17.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10116; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:47:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot17.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.37 -> pilot17.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:47:19 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm456-43.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.101]) by pilot17.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8O3lCs67958 for ; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:47:12 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000923234159.01ef91f0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:46:53 -0400 To: TP List From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Laptops in Hot Cars (Was: A20 vs T series) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000923105215.029d97c8@pop3.iceka.com> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000923130547.01f3caa0@pilot.msu.edu> <4.2.0.58.20000923092210.029d6fa0@pop3.iceka.com> <5.0.0.25.0.20000923114803.01f627e0@pilot.msu.edu> <200009230941.MAA09790@home.egenet.com.tr> <39CC38DA.46BDBE5B@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Well, what you say is true, the conditions might have been different. 'Twas last summer in Michigan when it was in the mid 80's, and I left it in the car for about 5 hours. Long enough to completely melt two candles I'd bought as a wedding present, nicely flowing around my computer. Still, I know that the system got completely cooked and it came through just fine. I see what you say about it not being a fair complaint, but still, IBM has made computers that don't blister. If I had one, I would complain. I might settle for paying a reduced price to fix it, but I'd still make some noise about the peeling. --STeve Andre' At 10:57 AM 9/23/00 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 01:07 PM 9/23/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>To the extent that a non-operating thinkpad gets damaged physically, yes, >>I think >>thats a fair complaint. > > The owner subjected it to extreme conditions, else the "physical > damage" would not have occurred. That's not a fair complaint at all. > >>I'll point out that I've left my 1451 i series in a scorching car, and it >>didn't do that! >>It was fine once I cooled it down. ;-) > > That's because the i-series isn't really a computer... ;-) > > Seriously though, you don't really know if the conditions were > the same. Whether both PC's were in the sun, weather conditions the same > or not, length of time in the car, time of day, etc. > > You could leave your laptop in the trunk for instance, and the > conditions would be far less harsh than sitting on the dash. > > ...or you just got lucky while your friend didn't. > > Perhaps the melting/peeling point for his black paint is lower > than the melting point of the plastic that comprises your i-series case > (but the melting point of his metal case is a bit higher). ;-) From cph Sun Sep 24 00:32:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA22935 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:32:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13349; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:31:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:29:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13154; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:29:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA13141; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:29:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:29:34 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id AAA05079; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:29:32 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id AAA04737; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 00:29:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000923210116.02a5da98@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 21:01:56 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Laptops in Hot Cars (Was: A20 vs T series) In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20000923234159.01ef91f0@pilot.msu.edu> References: <4.2.0.58.20000923105215.029d97c8@pop3.iceka.com> <5.0.0.25.0.20000923130547.01f3caa0@pilot.msu.edu> <4.2.0.58.20000923092210.029d6fa0@pop3.iceka.com> <5.0.0.25.0.20000923114803.01f627e0@pilot.msu.edu> <200009230941.MAA09790@home.egenet.com.tr> <39CC38DA.46BDBE5B@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:46 PM 9/23/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Well, what you say is true, the conditions might have been >different. 'Twas last summer in >Michigan when it was in the mid 80's, and I left it in the car for about 5 >hours. Long enough >to completely melt two candles I'd bought as a wedding present, nicely >flowing around my Nevertheless, a summer day in Michigan ain't the same as a summer day in Arizona. ;-) From cph Sun Sep 24 01:08:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA23096 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:08:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15986; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:06:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:05:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15832; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15777; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:04:35 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-359.gate.net [199.227.131.168]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA489868; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:03:25 -0400 Message-ID: <39CD8B48.9904B0DC@gate.net> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:04:08 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jerry Lin CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: rebate for the original modem card References: <039e01c02529$ecd8ec60$41b24bcf@lin84001> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: AFAIK, nope..! Jerry Lin wrote: > I got a T20 (2647-21T) w/ 56k modem mini pci card. > Couple of weeks ago I ordered an Ethernet/56k combo mini pci card at buy.com > I still haven't got that card, but what am I going to do to the original > modem card? > any way to rebate it or ? > > Jerry -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sun Sep 24 01:14:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA23116 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:14:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16641; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:13:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:11:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16505; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:11:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA16424; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:10:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:10:58 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-359.gate.net [199.227.131.168]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA433308; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:10:38 -0400 Message-ID: <39CD8CFB.9607B48C@gate.net> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:11:23 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: turgut kalfaoglu CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: A20 vs T series References: <200009230941.MAA09790@home.egenet.com.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: if i had the time i would take the whole machine apart, take the case and doors and top to a good auto paint shop and have it painted Midnight Blue.. and i would call it BigBlue.. :-) i would use the paint they use on these flex bumpers.. they can also give it a satin finish.. i've always wanted to replicate the nice satin finish in other than "Bankers Heart Black" (a passing reference to the black marble sculpture on the corner of california and kearny streets in SF.. what was once the BofA plaza.. :-) turgut kalfaoglu wrote: > On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 01:00:11 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >not a film, its paint.. > >not metal, its metalized plastic.. and not really plastic, it used to be a > >carbon fiber material.. at least on older top model thinkpads.. :-) > > Ok; thanks! > Any ideas on what he should put to cover the exposed "carbon fiber" material? > I suggested oil-based black paint, but he is afraid it will look terrible.. > > -turgut > > ------------ > EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr > Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sun Sep 24 01:34:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA23200 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:34:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17773; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:31:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17627; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:31:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA17607; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:31:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:31:06 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-230.gate.net [199.227.131.39]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA264650; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:30:57 -0400 Message-ID: <39CD91BE.32E81FC6@gate.net> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:31:42 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: emanuel@brown.org CC: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E RAM and HDD limits? References: <39d3ce72.45192684@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: HEY..! :-) how're things..?? uhh, the 770Z took two 256meg parts for a total of 512meg.. i have a 570 here that i stuck ONE 256meg part in.. it seemd to degrade the performance of pinball under winME.. the machine is an NT preload machine.. did not see and discernable difference between the native 64meg memory or the resulting 320meg.. largest HDD is the currently hard to find 30gig.. next will be the 32gig.. joe sold out..! Emanuel Brown wrote: > Just got my hands on the above model, and I'm curious as to the > actual RAM and hard drive limits, since I know IBM tends to be > unreliable about such info. > More specifically, the 600E was released with a quoted RAM limit of > 288MB, two 128MB chips and the 32MB on the motherboard; a later BIOS > release claims to have enabled the BIOS to recognize the later 256MB > SO-DIMMs, meaning the limit should/could be 544MB. Does anyone know > for certain? > Also, somewhere down the line I'm thinking of upgrading the > internal hard drive to one of the new, faster Travelstars that are > coming out now. Is the 600E ATA-5 compatible, and what's the practical > limit on the BIOS for hard drives? I'd think it was close to 30GB > anyway. > Btw, if there are any 600/570 owners looking for the DVD drive, I > ordered one from Centrix Int'l on eBay for $75, which struck me as a > great deal (I paid about the same for a battery!). Joe's been doing > Dutch auctions in lots of 100, so the price hasn't gone up yet in any > of the auctions I've seen for these. > Thanks in advance for any help on those questions! > Emanuel > "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; > most people settle for the car." Chris Titus > 1983 911 SC > http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sun Sep 24 01:43:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA23228 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:43:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18841; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:40:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18540; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:40:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9501.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18504; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:40:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9501.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.129.131 -> web9501.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:40:17 -0400 Message-ID: <20000924054016.20692.qmail@web9501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web9501.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:40:16 PDT Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:40:16 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Laptops in Hot Cars (Was: A20 vs T series) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Don't be silly, doesn't IBM know that laptops are going to be used as portables? They should make it out of heat resistant materials. The rest of the car didn't melt, now did it? What's the guy supposed to do, set it outside the car in the shade? If a cheap car stereo can hold up to a little heat then an expensive laptop out to be made well enough to do the same thing! --- Randal Whittle wrote: > At 11:49 AM 9/23/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >I would complain to IBM about this, and see what > they say. If it happened > >once > >in the heat, it's likely happened hundreds of times > by now. They may > >offer some > >suggestions? > > Yeah, like, "Don't leave your laptop in a > car on a sunny summer > day where the interior temperature can easily reach > well over 120+ degrees > and babies & animals would expire inside of 30 > minutes under such conditions." > > C'mon--don't try to blame IBM for this! > This was an unfortunate, > sloppy mistake made by the owner. > > > It really does sound like IBM messed up on this. > > IBM left the laptop in a boiling hot car? > ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun Sep 24 01:43:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA23232 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:43:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18890; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:40:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18517; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9501.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA18494; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:40:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9501.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.129.131 -> web9501.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:40:16 -0400 Message-ID: <20000924054015.20685.qmail@web9501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [24.221.10.7] by web9501.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:40:15 PDT Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 22:40:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: Laptops in Hot Cars (Was: A20 vs T series) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Don't be silly, doesn't IBM know that laptops are going to be used as portables? They should make it out of heat resistant materials. The rest of the car didn't melt, now did it? What's the guy supposed to do, set it outside the car in the shade? If a cheap car stereo can hold up to a little heat then an expensive laptop out to be made well enough to do the same thing! --- Randal Whittle wrote: > At 11:49 AM 9/23/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >I would complain to IBM about this, and see what > they say. If it happened > >once > >in the heat, it's likely happened hundreds of times > by now. They may > >offer some > >suggestions? > > Yeah, like, "Don't leave your laptop in a > car on a sunny summer > day where the interior temperature can easily reach > well over 120+ degrees > and babies & animals would expire inside of 30 > minutes under such conditions." > > C'mon--don't try to blame IBM for this! > This was an unfortunate, > sloppy mistake made by the owner. > > > It really does sound like IBM messed up on this. > > IBM left the laptop in a boiling hot car? > ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Sun Sep 24 02:38:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA23374 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:38:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22039; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:38:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:35:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21844; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21831; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:35:24 -0400 Received: from 123.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.171.123]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000924063522.PPEQ6605.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@123.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 06:35:22 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E RAM and HDD limits? Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 06:35:22 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39ce9c44.39229555@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <39d3ce72.45192684@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <39CD91BE.32E81FC6@gate.net> In-Reply-To: <39CD91BE.32E81FC6@gate.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id CAA23375 On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 01:31:42 -0400, you wrote: >uhh, the 770Z took two 256meg parts for a total of 512meg.. I know, that's why I was excited to read the BIOS sheet claiming the 600E could support the same chips. As James pointed out, it's not quite workable and I've decided to go with the original max RAM for now - 288MB. It should be plenty for my purposes. > >i have a 570 here that i stuck ONE 256meg part in.. >it seemd to degrade the performance of pinball under winME.. >the machine is an NT preload machine.. did not see and discernable difference >between the native 64meg memory or the resulting 320meg.. > >largest HDD is the currently hard to find 30gig.. I've seen the occasional 30GB drive pop up on eBay, but I'm more interested in the speed of the drive than just the size. Another 1211 rpms would be quite a performance boost, I'd think. Especially when you consider that the chief source of performance lag in most laptops tends to be the hard drive. If there is a 5400 rpm drive that's smaller, I'd love to hear about that as well. I was cruising your site earlier and didn't notice one, though. It was actually my first stop after getting the 600E this week. > >joe sold out..! > Of the DVD drives for $75? I don't think so, he's still got two auctions running for them on eBay. One ends tomorrow and is at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=443752099 and the other ends Tuesday and is located at http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=447572113. He has lowered the amounts available, so I gather the response has been good. Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Sun Sep 24 02:49:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA23416 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:49:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22764; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:45:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22461; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22431; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:44:59 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id CAA12835; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:44:58 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id CAA23038; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000923231235.02a15ae0@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:36:38 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Laptops in Hot Cars (Was: A20 vs T series) In-Reply-To: <20000924054015.20685.qmail@web9501.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 10:40 PM 9/23/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Don't be silly, doesn't IBM know that laptops are >going to be used as portables? They should make it >out of heat resistant materials. The rest of the car >didn't melt, now did it? What's the guy supposed to >do, set it outside the car in the shade? If a cheap >car stereo can hold up to a little heat then an >expensive laptop out to be made well enough to do the >same thing! There's no question you *can* make a bulletproof laptop, but it would look (and cost) very, very different then what you're seeing. And there are specialized notebooks out there designed to take this kind of abuse. The TP600 is designed to be a thin-and-light notebook--not a super-rugged brick. The ruggedized notebooks are 4 inches thick and weigh 12 or more pounds. The TP600 has a whole different purpose for being. In general, "Portable" doesn't mean you have a license to drop it off a rooftop or stick it in an oven and still expect everything to be peachy. A car stereo isn't a PC, and it isn't left out in the sun. You apparently have no clue how hot the interior of a car can get in on a good hot day in the right (or wrong) climate. The description of the damage suggested that it was in direct sunlight--like sitting on the dash. That's just plain user abuse--quit blaming IBM for this. The least he could have done is put it in the trunk--I've done that myself. It gets hot in there, but not to a melting point. But for a car's interior, the glass makes it bake like an oven, particularly for items in the direct sunlight. Why do you think they make those sunshades people are always using? From cph Sun Sep 24 02:49:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA23420 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:49:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22795; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:47:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:45:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22513; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot05.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22499; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot05.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.25 -> pilot05.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:45:05 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm456-43.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.101]) by pilot05.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8O6j3r30146 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:45:03 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000924024226.01f368d0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:44:32 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E RAM and HDD limits? In-Reply-To: <39ce9c44.39229555@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <39CD91BE.32E81FC6@gate.net> <39d3ce72.45192684@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <39CD91BE.32E81FC6@gate.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I have one question about the 5400 drive(s) coming out, which is how much more heat do they generate, and is that going to be a problem with what laptops? I don't expect anyone to know the answer to this, but given how hot many laptops are already, I do wonder what the extra heat from these faster drives is going to do to things........ --STeve Andre' [snip] > I've seen the occasional 30GB drive pop up on eBay, but I'm more >interested in the speed of the drive than just the size. Another 1211 >rpms would be quite a performance boost, I'd think. Especially when >you consider that the chief source of performance lag in most laptops >tends to be the hard drive. If there is a 5400 rpm drive that's >smaller, I'd love to hear about that as well. I was cruising your site >earlier and didn't notice one, though. It was actually my first stop >after getting the 600E this week. [snip] From cph Sun Sep 24 03:45:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id DAA23520 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 03:45:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25837; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 03:43:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 03:40:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25603; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 03:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA25590; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 03:40:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 03:40:31 -0400 Received: from 123.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.171.123]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000924074029.NROG14966.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@123.chicago-05-10rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 07:40:29 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600E RAM and HDD limits? Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 07:40:29 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39d0a67a.41843280@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <39CD91BE.32E81FC6@gate.net> <39d3ce72.45192684@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> <39CD91BE.32E81FC6@gate.net> <5.0.0.25.0.20000924024226.01f368d0@pilot.msu.edu> In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20000924024226.01f368d0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id DAA23521 On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 02:44:32 -0400, you wrote: >I have one question about the 5400 drive(s) coming out, which is how >much more heat do they generate, and is that going to be a problem >with what laptops? I don't expect anyone to know the answer to this, >but given how hot many laptops are already, I do wonder what the extra >heat from these faster drives is going to do to things........ Looking at the power consumption info on the 32GH compared to the 4200 rpm 30GT, it doesn't look like it would be significant. You (and others) can compare them at: http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/tr30gt.htm http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/tr32gh.htm Besides, I've been running my 600E pretty much constantly all weekend (note time stamp) and haven't noticed an undue amount of heat - I think I've got some leeway here. And as a final note, I've decided on the following plan: I checked Chip Merchant out, but so far www.crucial.com has had the best price on 128MB RAM chips, at $140 ea. on their web site. I'm going to get a couple of 100Mhz 128MB chips and see how I like running with 288MB. If I want to upgrade later, I'll just sell off one of the chips on eBay (the market will be better for the 100Mhz chips than the 66Mhz down the road, while they work fine in the 600E). Btw - the IBM 240 uses the same chips and has a 192MB RAM spec, but I suspect that was before the 256s were released. Anyone tried to take a 240 to 320MB? I've been surprised that so many items from my Acer-built 240 work with my 600E (RAM, AC Adapter, and floppy drive). Benefits of centralized design, I guess. Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Sun Sep 24 09:27:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA01760 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:27:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11774; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:26:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:23:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11465; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:23:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11452; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:23:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (24.131.172.171 -> el10-24-131-172-171.ce.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:23:21 -0400 Received: from uic.edu ([172.16.172.99] [172.16.172.99] ) by yanos.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:23:12 -0600 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 08:23:11 -0500 (CDT) From: George Yanos Reply-To: George Yanos To: "Steve C." cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Laptops in Hot Cars (Was: A20 vs T series) In-Reply-To: <20000924054015.20685.qmail@web9501.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: X-X-Sender: gyanos@tigger.cc.uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sat, 23 Sep 2000, Steve C. wrote: >Don't be silly, doesn't IBM know that laptops are >going to be used as portables? They should make it >out of heat resistant materials. The rest of the car >didn't melt, now did it? What's the guy supposed to >do, set it outside the car in the shade? If a cheap >car stereo can hold up to a little heat then an >expensive laptop out to be made well enough to do the >same thing! ..... Right. And you ought to give them a chance, assuming the warranty still holds. Years ago I knocked a bottle of diet Coke sideways so that it *shot* into the side of a tp 701c, inside the opening where the right keyboard slide down as it opened. Filled the little thing with water and aspartame. Sparks and acrid smell and ... After a week locally, it went back to IBM. After one day I got a cherie call, it wouldn't hibernate because the first partition was HPFS, did I want them to fix that? (Of course not.) Next day I had it back with "thanks for calling IBM", no bill. I've bought a couple of dozen thinkpads since, for friends and colleagues as well as myself. Last week, in a freak accident, a stapler, a big old metal one, slid off a shelf, down the screen of my 600x, and the corner of the base went exactly into the hole at the top left of the keyboard where the hibernate switch is. Smashed the switch, and did a tiny bit of damage to the keyboard bazel. They called and asked for $700 in voice mail. Before I called them back with the credit card number and serial number, they had changed their minds and fix it under warranty. Almost like the old days when a mainframe maintenance contract covered everything except ionizing radiation damage. Anyway, it is worth a try, as well as a very good reason to buy thinkpads. ********************************************************************* * George Yanos * * * UTC at UIC * * * 312-413-0059(w) * * * 708-848-4221(h) * * * gyanos@uic.edu * * ********************************************************************* From cph Sun Sep 24 12:42:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA02518 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:42:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24618; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:41:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:40:02 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24370; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:40:02 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id MAA07194 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:40:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11061; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:17:46 -0400 Received: from mwl ([32.101.34.104]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <200009241317432290074mr7e>; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:17:44 +0000 Message-ID: <028101c02629$dcb778a0$ae226520@mwl> Reply-To: "Mike Lingenfelter" From: "Mike Lingenfelter" To: Subject: 755CD/CDV parts needed Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 09:17:57 -0400 Organization: Personal Email MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 List-Unsubscribe: Does anybody on the list have a 755CD/CDV keyboard, lower case and 2GB or larger HD that they would like to sell? Also I am still looking for a 360PE lcd. Any help would be appreciated. Mike Lingenfelter @HOME From cph Sun Sep 24 12:45:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA02525 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:45:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21006; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:59:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:57:21 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20724; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:57:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20711; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:57:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:57:19 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUJRRNXACW8WXYLT@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:00:53 CST Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:00:53 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: take $500 off new thinkpad now plus free gift for being ibm stockholder real or fake :) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: TAKE $500 off ibm T, A and I series thinkpad ! not only that, they have lots of other ibm stuff available too. PLUS: Get a free tripplite internet office 500ups with any ibm desktop or thinkpad !!! offer till oct 31st only! GREAT Opportunity for that early Christmas GIFT !if you are have IBM stock or work with ibm affiliate you should have received the promotion in the mail if not, FEAR NOT :) 1) GO TO : www.ibm.com/shop/epp 2) ENTER your Instant IBm stockholder code: 0630990 3) SHOp till you DROP. ENJOY. Jon whos trying very hard to write in "non SPAM" like english. From cph Sun Sep 24 13:23:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA02722 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:23:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28197; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:21:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27962; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27948; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:21:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009241721.NAA27948@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:21:04 -0400 Received: from slip-32-100-55-40.ma.us.prserv.net ([32.100.55.40]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2000092417210122902gd0e6e>; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:21:02 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "Mike Lingenfelter" , "Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Sun, 24 Sep 00 13:20:58 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: 755CD/CDV parts needed List-Unsubscribe: Try , a Thinkpad chop shop. Jeffrey Race From cph Sun Sep 24 13:32:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA02755 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:32:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29159; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:31:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:29:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28913; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:29:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28900; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:29:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:29:46 -0400 Received: from bigkahoona2 ([32.101.173.135]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2000092417294422902ps08ke>; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:29:45 +0000 From: "David Lee" To: Subject: New Thinkpads. Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:23:54 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: New T20 and A20p are coming monday. New T20 14.1inch SXGA+ Pentium III-850Mhz 32Gig HD 5411 rpm New A20p 15 inch UXGA Pentium III-850Mhz 32Gig HD 5411 rpm. Checkout http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/tseries or http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/aseries From cph Sun Sep 24 14:00:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA02860 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:00:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01499; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:58:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:56:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01282; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:56:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from phnxpop2.phnx.uswest.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA01269; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:56:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from phnxpop2.phnx.uswest.net (206.80.192.2 -> phnxpop2.phnx.uswest.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:56:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 51961 invoked by alias); 24 Sep 2000 17:56:53 -0000 Delivered-To: fixup-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu@fixme Received: (qmail 51938 invoked by uid 0); 24 Sep 2000 17:56:53 -0000 Received: from dialupk145.phnx.uswest.net (209.180.136.145) by phnxpop2.phnx.uswest.net with SMTP; 24 Sep 2000 17:56:53 -0000 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: take $500 off new thinkpad now plus free gift for being ibm stockholder real or fake :) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 10:56:51 -0700 Message-ID: <92gsssggdima4kp7poe9af3adttns98nke@4ax.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id OAA02861 On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:00:53 -0600 (CST), you wrote: >1) GO TO : www.ibm.com/shop/epp > >2) ENTER your Instant IBm stockholder code: 0630990 which results in this message: "This Offer ID number is invalid", making it very difficult to proceed to step 3 > >3) SHOp till you DROP. From cph Sun Sep 24 14:21:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA03006 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:21:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03261; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:18:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03040; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA03026; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:18:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from yanos.com (24.131.172.171 -> el10-24-131-172-171.ce.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:18:35 -0400 Received: from uic.edu ([172.16.172.99] [172.16.172.99] ) by yanos.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:18:29 -0600 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:18:28 -0500 (CDT) From: George Yanos Reply-To: George Yanos To: David Lee cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New Thinkpads. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-X-Sender: gyanos@tigger.cc.uic.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, David Lee wrote: ... >New T20 and A20p are coming monday. ... > 14.1inch SXGA+ ... > 15 inch UXGA ... I wonder if somebody could translate these in to numbers? ********************************************************************* * George Yanos * * * UTC at UIC * * * 312-413-0059(w) * * * 708-848-4221(h) * * * gyanos@uic.edu * * ********************************************************************* From cph Sun Sep 24 14:37:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA03048 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:37:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05012; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:36:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:34:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04853; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot08.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04839; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:34:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot08.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.28 -> pilot08.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:34:51 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm457-08.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.114]) by pilot08.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8OIYnQ22504 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:34:49 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000924143051.01fff1c0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:33:56 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: New Thinkpads. In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I think SXGA+ is either 1280x1024 or more likely the 1400x1050 resolution, of the a20p, and UXGA is 1600x1200 (or 1600x1280)? --STeve Andre' At 01:18 PM 9/24/00 -0500, George Yanos wrote: >On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, David Lee wrote: >... > >New T20 and A20p are coming monday. >... > > 14.1inch SXGA+ >... > > 15 inch UXGA >... > >I wonder if somebody could translate these in to numbers? From cph Sun Sep 24 14:57:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA03136 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:57:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06273; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:56:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:54:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06079; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06056; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 14:54:34 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUJXYDA3WG8WY17W@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:58:05 CST Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 13:58:05 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: Re: take $500 off new thinkpad now plus free gift for being ibm stockholder real or fake :) In-reply-to: <92gsssggdima4kp7poe9af3adttns98nke@4ax.com> To: tdwis@ibm.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Dude, I cant possibly solve 100% of all the problems for ya ! IF that is the case, i suggest the following common sense. 1) clear everything off your temp folder 2) restart yr browser 3) DO not cut and paste the code. tyoe it in yourself. i am sure other ppl do not have any problems getting in In fact i just logged in again myself for the third time today drooling over the t series. dont make me go to your house and do it. On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 tdwis@ibm.net wrote: > On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:00:53 -0600 (CST), you wrote: > > > >1) GO TO : www.ibm.com/shop/epp > > > >2) ENTER your Instant IBm stockholder code: 0630990 > > which results in this message: "This Offer ID number is invalid", > making it very difficult to proceed to step 3 > > > > >3) SHOp till you DROP. > > From cph Sun Sep 24 15:34:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA03318 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:34:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08118; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:33:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:31:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07939; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw4.njit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07925; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-gw4.njit.edu (128.235.251.32 -> mail-gw4.njit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:31:49 -0400 Received: from homer.njit.edu (homer.njit.edu [128.235.35.70]) by mail-gw4.njit.edu (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8OJVkP13041; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:31:46 -0400 Received: from random.njit.edu (random [128.235.35.107]) by homer.njit.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA08445; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (marvin@localhost) by random.njit.edu (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA23504; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:29:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Marvin Nakayama To: David Lee cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New Thinkpads. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: I got an IBM brochure in the mail yesterday, and it listed a model A21p (not A20p) that fits the description of the second machine below. There is another machine that has the first set of features, but a model name isn't given, but it has part number 264757U. Marvin On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, David Lee wrote: > New T20 and A20p are coming monday. > New T20 > 14.1inch SXGA+ > Pentium III-850Mhz > 32Gig HD 5411 rpm > > New A20p > 15 inch UXGA > Pentium III-850Mhz > 32Gig HD 5411 rpm. > > Checkout http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/tseries > or > http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/thinkpad/aseries > > > From cph Sun Sep 24 18:22:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA04065 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:22:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA22390; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:16:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21716; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:16:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA21703; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:16:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:16:40 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA10132 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:16:36 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000b01c02675$1a3cdf80$fe62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: [TP560 - others?] Laptop cases again Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 12:16:33 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Since I only got 1 response to my question last week about lightweight cases, let me try again, with a few modifications: (1) Anyone have any experience with the "Lapdog" case (e.g., http://www.a2zsolutions.com/cases-bags/notebooks/lapdog1.htm)? Is the fold-out work surface really useful, or just annoying? How is the protection? (2) Surely someone here has the Port/IBM leather portfolio case (TP56110) on their TP560. How has it held up, and does it do a decent job protecting the 560 (especially the edges)? (2) Anyone here own one of the unusual Galizia cases (www.galizia.com)? While not a 'lightweight' solution, they look like they'd be great for long trips with one's laptop, printer, and bar scanner. Thanks, David R. From cph Sun Sep 24 18:34:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA04107 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:34:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23908; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:34:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:32:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23549; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:32:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23535; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:32:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:32:08 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip129-37-224-181.mo.us.prserv.net [129.37.224.181]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e8OMW6517220 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:32:06 -0700 Message-ID: <39CE80E1.408E2508@mail.orion.org> Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:32:01 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: TP560 Dead Battery WANTED! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Anyone have a dead battery for a TP560, preferably cheap or free? I just picked one up for my girlfriend to replace her ThinkPad 760ED (portable stove). It doesn't come with a battery, but she uses the plug-in power most of the time anyway. I just need a dead or dying battery to fill in that unsightly hole. Any dead or dying battery will be fine, as long as it doesn't load down the machine and prevent it from working on AC power. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Sun Sep 24 21:58:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA04999 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:58:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA12080; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:57:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:55:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11823; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wadmz01.icge.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11804; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wadmz01.icge.com (216.203.138.34 -> 216-203-138-34.customer.algx.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:55:26 -0400 Received: by 216-203-138-34.customer.algx.net with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:52:09 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Hay, Will" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List (E-mail)" Cc: "'emanuel@brown.org'" Subject: T20: 3com v Intel NIC Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:53:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Can anyone help me understand the difference between the 3com NIC and the Intel NIC for the T20? I've ordered the 3com but IBM online wants me to take the Intel one instead. I'm really looking for the hardware modem, as I understand the Ethernet side is very similar. Also linux compatibility would be nice. TIA Will From cph Sun Sep 24 22:10:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA05102 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:10:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13298; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:07:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13019; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA13001; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:07:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:07:38 -0400 Received: from bigkahoona2 ([32.101.173.212]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000092502072623900kt2hqe>; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 02:07:26 +0000 From: "David Lee" To: Subject: RE: T20: 3com v Intel NIC Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:01:34 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I'm thinking about ordering a new T20 with a 850Mhz P-III, how does one tell the difference between a 3Com NIC or an Intel NIC T20? -----Original Message----- From: Hay, Will [mailto:whay@internetcapital.com] Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 9:54 PM To: ThinkPad Mailing List (E-mail) Cc: 'emanuel@brown.org' Subject: T20: 3com v Intel NIC Can anyone help me understand the difference between the 3com NIC and the Intel NIC for the T20? I've ordered the 3com but IBM online wants me to take the Intel one instead. I'm really looking for the hardware modem, as I understand the Ethernet side is very similar. Also linux compatibility would be nice. TIA Will From cph Sun Sep 24 22:26:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA05202 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:26:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15127; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:25:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14912; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:25:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA14899; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:24:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:24:58 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.235]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000925022453.PQTW3176.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 02:24:53 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000924222100.017bd5d0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:21:00 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: T20: 3com v Intel NIC In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 10:01 PM 09/24/2000 -0400, David Lee wrote: >I'm thinking about ordering a new T20 with a 850Mhz P-III, how does one tell >the difference between a 3Com NIC or an Intel NIC T20? > Part number and availability. From cph Sun Sep 24 22:43:30 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA05277 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:43:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16783; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:42:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:41:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16544; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16523; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:41:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:41:21 -0400 Received: from Mark (client-151-204-210-40.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.40]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA10204 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:41:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000924224038.02518e90@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:41:21 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: take $500 off new thinkpad now plus free gift for being ibm stockholder real or fake :) In-Reply-To: <92gsssggdima4kp7poe9af3adttns98nke@4ax.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 10:56 AM 9/24/00 -0700, tdwis@ibm.net wrote: >On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 11:00:53 -0600 (CST), you wrote: > > > >1) GO TO : www.ibm.com/shop/epp > > > >2) ENTER your Instant IBm stockholder code: 0630990 > >which results in this message: "This Offer ID number is invalid", >making it very difficult to proceed to step 3 > > > > >3) SHOp till you DROP. I tried this and it worked, but the Thinkpads you can buy are limited. A20m's no p's. :( Mark From cph Sun Sep 24 22:48:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA05310 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:48:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17718; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:46:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:45:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17330; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17308; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:44:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:44:59 -0400 Received: from Mark (client-151-204-210-40.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.40]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA19942 for ; Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:44:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000924224150.02522b00@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:45:03 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: New Thinkpads. In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 01:18 PM 9/24/00 -0500, George Yanos wrote: >On Sun, 24 Sep 2000, David Lee wrote: >... > >New T20 and A20p are coming monday. >... > > 14.1inch SXGA+ >... > > 15 inch UXGA >... > >I wonder if somebody could translate these in to numbers? VGA 640 x 480 SVGA 800 x 600 XGA 1024 x 768 SXGA 1280 x 1024 SXGA+ 1400 x 1050 UXGA 1600 x 1200 I think I am tapped out @ 1400 x 1050 for stretching the feasibility of a laptop screen. The only reason I did upgrade was the ratio of SXGA on my 770z's 13.7" was close to the ratio of 1400x1050 on a 15" I would need a 16"+ screen to accept UXGA. Actually, 16.5" TFT's are the next slated screens on the block. I look at the footprint of my A20p (which replaced my 770z) and shudder. :) Mark From cph Mon Sep 25 00:31:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA05866 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:31:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25317; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:25:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:23:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25082; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25069; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:23:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:23:26 -0400 Received: from Mark (client-151-204-210-40.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.40]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id AAA09152; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:23:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000925001131.00a08850@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:23:21 -0400 To: "Jerry Lin" , From: Mark Bell Subject: A20p install issues (Win 98se) In-Reply-To: <039e01c02529$ecd8ec60$41b24bcf@lin84001> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: The current debate on comp.sys.laptops is about a faulty 3D driver when running A20p's with Win98SE and APM (which is how they come configured from the factory). For curiosity sake, I cycled Q3 to see if the problem showed. It did. After ~18 minutes, the timedemo slowed down and my fps went >from 102fps to ~ 50fps. Factory Install (Windows 98SE): Unit will run 3D apps (IE, Q3, UT, etc...) for ~15-20 minutes and then 3D slows down drastically. This is the stock IBM configuration with APM enabled and no ACPI. All functionality is there for power management and Ultrabay functionality. Clean Install (Windows98SE) Win98SE installs default with ACPI if it detects it (no /P j needed), but there is hardly any power management functionality and you lose Ultrabay swapping functionality. On the flipside, 3D will keep going and going and going... :) Windows 2000: Totally ACPI compliant and no slowdown. Q3 runs and runs and runs.... IBM is offering no solutions at the time even with the slew of driver releases for the A20p line. The current workaround is to install Windows 98SE with ACPI. It fixes the 3D problem but you lose your power management functionality and ultrabay swapping vs. the APM 1.2 spec. One user forced Win98SE into ACPI mode with the registry hack but encountered oodles of conflicts. I tried forcing an ACPI install into APM mode and immediately lost my DVD drive. :) I am wondering why IBM would support ACPI fully and at default in 2000 but insist on APM with Windows 98SE instead of ACPI which is newer? The recommend a clean install of Windows ME and the drivers are ACPI apparently. APM Pros: Full power management functionality, UltraBay functionality Cons: 3D slowdown with ATI chipset ACPI Pros: Flawless 3D performance Cons: Loss of power management enhancements, Ultrabay functionality Has anyone encountered this? Comments? Suggestions? Mark From cph Mon Sep 25 01:31:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA06191 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:31:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29718; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:26:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:24:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29456; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:24:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA29434; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:24:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (194.29.192.20 -> netsonic.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:24:32 -0400 Received: from TP560X (letku107.adsl.netsonic.fi [194.29.195.107]) by nalle.netsonic.fi (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8P5OFu13860 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:24:15 +0300 Message-Id: <200009250524.e8P5OFu13860@nalle.netsonic.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:24:08 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <000b01c02675$1a3cdf80$fe62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: [TP560 - others?] Laptop cases again X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 at 12:16 PM you, "David Ross" , said: >(2) Surely someone here has the Port/IBM leather portfolio case (TP56110) >on their TP560. How has it held up, and does it >do a decent job protecting the 560 (especially the edges)? I have one and I like it. I think it does a pretty good job of protecting the 560 (including its edges), though I've never tried to drop it just for fun. It's still in good condition, but then I'm not using it on a daily basis, far from it. The side pocket is just the right size for the kind of items I need to take on the road, like network cable, PC Cards etc. I usually don't put the A/C adapter there, as it would make the bag too bulky. The bag is a tight fit and requires some getting used to it when putting the TP560 in it. All in all, I'm most happy with it, especially given the price I paid for it (<$30). -Dominique From cph Mon Sep 25 04:05:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA06829 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:05:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05449; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 03:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 03:58:10 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05230; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 03:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA05177; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 03:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 03:58:06 -0400 Received: from tk-laptop (tk-laptop.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.38]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA24933; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:56:58 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009250756.KAA24933@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "Jerry Lin" , "Mark Bell" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:57:23 +0300 Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.90.3000) In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000925001131.00a08850@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: A20p install issues (Win 98se) List-Unsubscribe: I have a similar case with A20m with WinME; Any high-res games lock the machine up after 5-10 minutes of play. I suspect either the driver, or WinME's "new and improved" DirectX -turgut On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 00:23:21 -0400, Mark Bell wrote: >The current debate on comp.sys.laptops is about a faulty 3D driver >when running A20p's with Win98SE and APM (which is how they >come configured from the factory). > >For curiosity sake, I cycled Q3 to see if the problem showed. It did. >After ~18 minutes, the timedemo slowed down and my fps went >from 102fps to ~ 50fps. > >Factory Install (Windows 98SE): > >Unit will run 3D apps (IE, Q3, UT, etc...) for ~15-20 minutes and >then 3D slows down drastically. This is the stock IBM configuration >with APM enabled and no ACPI. All functionality is there for >power management and Ultrabay functionality. > >Clean Install (Windows98SE) > >Win98SE installs default with ACPI if it detects it (no /P j needed), >but there is hardly any power management functionality and you >lose Ultrabay swapping functionality. On the flipside, 3D will keep >going and going and going... :) > >Windows 2000: > >Totally ACPI compliant and no slowdown. Q3 runs and runs and runs.... > >IBM is offering no solutions at the time even with the slew of driver >releases for the A20p line. > >The current workaround is to install Windows 98SE with ACPI. >It fixes the 3D problem but you lose your power management >functionality and ultrabay swapping vs. the APM 1.2 spec. One user >forced Win98SE into ACPI mode with the registry hack but encountered oodles >of conflicts. > >I tried forcing an ACPI install into APM mode and immediately lost >my DVD drive. :) > >I am wondering why IBM would support ACPI fully and at default >in 2000 but insist on APM with Windows 98SE instead of >ACPI which is newer? The recommend a clean install of Windows ME >and the drivers are ACPI apparently. > >APM Pros: Full power management functionality, UltraBay functionality > Cons: 3D slowdown with ATI chipset > >ACPI Pros: Flawless 3D performance > Cons: Loss of power management enhancements, Ultrabay functionality > >Has anyone encountered this? Comments? Suggestions? > >Mark > > > ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Mon Sep 25 04:26:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA06971 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:26:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07174; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:21:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07019; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaaf.compuserve.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07006; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sphmgaaf.compuserve.com (149.174.177.155 -> hs-img-6.compuserve.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:21:05 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by sphmgaaf.compuserve.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.9) id EAA26471 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:21:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:20:39 -0400 From: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> Subject: i 1400 memory Sender: Mark Gardiner <100550.3170@compuserve.com> To: thinkpad Message-ID: <200009250420_MC2-B488-45F3@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA06972 Can any help with a cheap source for 64Mb for an i series? I am helping someone out, so I do not know the official spec on this type of RAM... can anyone advise? Thanks Mark UK From cph Mon Sep 25 04:42:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA07037 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:42:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08094; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:38:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:36:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07953; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:36:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.migvan.co.il (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA07940; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:36:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www.migvan.co.il (192.116.100.161 -> www.migvan.co.il) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:36:35 -0400 Received: from laptop [192.116.100.187] by www.migvan.co.il (SMTPD32-6.04) id A9125A3C0046; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:29:38 +0100 From: Bob Yellin To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IR Synching a Palm Vx To a TP600X Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:34:52 -0400 Organization: * Reply-To: byellin@sover.net Message-ID: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA07038 Hi Folks, I've been trying to download Outlook data from my TP600X running Win2000 into a Palm Vx using the Infrared capability but the Palm V is crashing, requiring a reset each time. Has anyone succeeded in doing this and if so could you provide a step-by-step and/or info on both the TP and the PAlm HotSynch Manager config settings? Much obliged in advance, Bob Yellin byellin@sover.net From cph Mon Sep 25 04:48:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id EAA07117 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:48:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08647; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:44:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:43:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08488; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA08474; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.52 -> mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:43:12 -0400 Received: from 99.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.150.99]) by mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000925084310.BHKQ14966.mtiwmhc27.worldnet.att.net@99.chicago-06-07rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:43:10 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad Subject: Re: i 1400 memory Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:43:10 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39d20fe8.36636947@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <200009250420_MC2-B488-45F3@compuserve.com> In-Reply-To: <200009250420_MC2-B488-45F3@compuserve.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id EAA07118 On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 04:20:39 -0400, you wrote: >Can any help with a cheap source for 64Mb for an i series? > >I am helping someone out, so I do not know the official spec on this type >of RAM... can anyone advise? > www.crucial.com has the 64MB upgrade for around $70. Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Mon Sep 25 06:46:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA07752 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:46:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19632; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:44:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19386; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:44:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mailserver249 (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA19373; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:44:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Mailserver249 (12.30.178.249 -> mailserver249.halfpricehosting.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:44:05 -0400 Received: from snapper3 [203.97.54.129] by Mailserver249 with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.03) id AE2449F026C; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:51:16 -0400 From: "Will Lau" To: , Subject: RE: IR Synching a Palm Vx To a TP600X Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:44:23 +1200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Win2000 and PalmOS are not IR compatible. You need to cable sync. This has been the case since Win2000 hit the streets, Palm says they are working on it with MS, but don't hold your breath. BTW - you're Palm shouldn't be crashing. Something fishy going on there... -----Original Message----- From: Bob Yellin [mailto:byellin@sover.net] Sent: Monday, 25 September 2000 8:35 p.m. To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: IR Synching a Palm Vx To a TP600X Hi Folks, I've been trying to download Outlook data from my TP600X running Win2000 into a Palm Vx using the Infrared capability but the Palm V is crashing, requiring a reset each time. Has anyone succeeded in doing this and if so could you provide a step-by-step and/or info on both the TP and the PAlm HotSynch Manager config settings? Much obliged in advance, Bob Yellin byellin@sover.net From cph Mon Sep 25 07:45:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA08051 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:45:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22207; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:44:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:43:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22018; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:43:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22002; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:43:11 -0400 Received: from tk-laptop (tk-laptop.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.38]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA11811 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:42:18 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009251142.OAA11811@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:42:43 +0300 Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.90.3000) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Suspend = WinME death List-Unsubscribe: When I leave the office, I come back to a machine that has entered the suspend mode, as it should, but one that's so suspended that nothing can wake it up :) sometimes I get a loud BEEP when I hit the keys.. Any ideas what I should check? Yeah, disable Suspend.. good idea :) -turgut ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Mon Sep 25 08:30:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA08349 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:30:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25292; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:29:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:27:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25154; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:27:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.sivco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25141; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:27:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.sivco.com (209.91.123.78 -> h-209-91-123-78.gen.cadvision.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:27:29 -0400 Subject: Re: IR Synching a Palm Vx To a TP600X To: byellin@sover.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 March 21, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 06:27:28 -0600 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on tigger/Sivco(Release 5.0.1a|August 17, 1999) at 09/25/2000 06:28:47 AM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id IAA08350 Go to palm.com and they have fixes (3.5.2 OS and HotSync Manager ) Geza Szivos mailto:Geza.Szivos@SIVCO.com System Analyst/eDBA Certified VisualAge for C++ Object Oriented Developer, Certified WebSphere, DB2 and VisualAge Java Associate Developer, VisualWarehouse Specialist, Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, Certified Warp Server Engineer SIVCO Inc. «Calgary, AB» «Buffalo, NY» «Olympia, WA» Visit our web page http://www.sivco.com Head office: 118 Arbour Summit Close NW Calgary, Alberta Canada T3G 3W2 Toll Free Call: (877) 700-2600 Toll Free Fax: (877) 547-4741 In Calgary call (403) 208-2600 Cellular (360) 481-2828 Bob Yellin cc: Subject: IR Synching a Palm Vx To a TP600X 09/25/2000 02:34 AM Please respond to byellin Hi Folks, I've been trying to download Outlook data from my TP600X running Win2000 into a Palm Vx using the Infrared capability but the Palm V is crashing, requiring a reset each time. Has anyone succeeded in doing this and if so could you provide a step-by-step and/or info on both the TP and the PAlm HotSynch Manager config settings? Much obliged in advance, Bob Yellin byellin@sover.net From cph Mon Sep 25 09:03:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA08548 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:03:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27263; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:00:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27057; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:00:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0m.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27044; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0m.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.42 -> www0m.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:00:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 27310 invoked by uid 60001); 25 Sep 2000 13:00:15 -0000 Message-ID: <20000925130015.27309.qmail@www0m.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.42 by www0m for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Mon Sep 25 13:00:15 GMT 2000 Date: 25 Sep 00 08:00:15 CDT From: Rob Bell To: , byellin@sover.net Subject: Re: IR Synching a Palm Vx To a TP600X CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA08549 wrote: > > Go to palm.com and they have fixes (3.5.2 OS and HotSync Manager ) Nothing on Palm's site states that PalmOS 3.5.2 or the latest version of HotSync Manager is a solution for Windows 2000 IR HotSync problems. Can you point me to the web page that mentions this? I'd love to find a solution for this problem, but I don't think it exists yet. A little background on the IR problem for the original poster: The problem is that Palm's HotSync Manager doesn't know how to communicate with the new abstracted IR COM port setup that Windows 2000 uses. The problem is not due to Windows 2000 or the PalmOS versions, as they do in fact communicate via IR just fine (you can send files back and forth via IR right now). It's just that HotSync is not 'up-to-date' yet. I have received an e-mail from Palm Tech Support stating that they intend to post a fix/patch/beta/something in the near future to address this issue. That's the most commitment I've seen from them since this issue has been around. Thanks for any info! Rob > Bob Yellin > r.net> cc: > Subject: IR Synching a Palm Vx To a TP600X > 09/25/2000 > 02:34 AM > Please > respond to > byellin > > > > > > Hi Folks, > I've been trying to download Outlook data from my TP600X running Win2000 > into a Palm Vx using the Infrared capability but the Palm V is crashing, > requiring a reset each time. Has anyone succeeded in doing this and if so > could you provide a step-by-step and/or info on both the TP and the PAlm > HotSynch Manager config settings? > > Much obliged in advance, > > Bob Yellin > byellin@sover.net > > > ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Mon Sep 25 09:45:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA08804 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:45:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00437; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:43:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:41:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00129; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00112; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (18.27.0.167 -> sls.lcs.mit.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:41:04 -0400 Received: from sls.lcs.mit.edu (gummi [18.27.0.33]) by sls.lcs.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA18212; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:41:01 -0400 (EDT) Sender: ilh@sls.lcs.mit.edu Message-ID: <39CF55ED.2FF56D47@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:41:01 -0400 From: I Lee Hetherington Organization: MIT Laboratory for Computer Science X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.17-2.smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Hay, Will" CC: "ThinkPad Mailing List (E-mail)" , "'emanuel@brown.org'" Subject: Re: T20: 3com v Intel NIC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have the 2647-84U T20 with the Intel NIC and (I think) Xircom modem. The NIC works fine in Windows and Linux. I really like having a built-in NIC in a laptop. I think the modem is a Winmodem, so I haven't even tried to use it in Linux. --Lee Hetherington From cph Mon Sep 25 11:19:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA09527 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:19:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08671; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:15:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08192; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08160; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:15:46 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.177] (helo=139-142-112-177.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13dZyB-000Kk2-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:15:03 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560 - others?] Laptop cases again Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:24:53 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <200009250524.e8P5OFu13860@nalle.netsonic.fi> Lines: 9 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: If you prefer a hard-sided case with a handle, you can pick something up at the Salvation Army for under $10 and add your own padding. -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Mon Sep 25 11:19:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA09538 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:19:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08676; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:17:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:15:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08237; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:15:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08186; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:15:48 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.177] (helo=139-142-112-177.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13dZyD-000Kk2-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:15:05 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP701] 701 User's Guide available digitally? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:45:53 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <004701c0226d$c61ddf40$03785a8e@triumf.ca> Lines: 26 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: The user guide, text only, in digital form is 701_USE.INF which you can get off your original OS/2 distribution disk. If you've reformatted that for Win95, email me. It is natively readable in OS/2 with the VIEW program. It was surprisingly difficult to find a program to view it in the industry standard software platform, but I eventually discovered PCDV.EXE (a 150K download), which unpacks to VIEW.EXE and VIEW.OHP. It reads the .INF file OK. Console app (mouse doesn't work!), arrow keys don't work, you have to use TAB and SHIFT-TAB to move among the selections, but Index, Contents, hyper-links all work just fine and of course being DOS-based it is instant. -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Mon Sep 25 11:21:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA09589 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:21:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08680; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:17:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:15:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08212; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:15:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08175; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:15:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:15:47 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.177] (helo=139-142-112-177.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13dZyB-000Kk2-01 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:15:04 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TPall] Fujitsu Hard Drive, noise abatement Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 07:26:45 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <162z54mipJwS092yn@islandnet.com> Lines: 47 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I was unable to get a MHH2064AT Fujitsu 6.4 GB hard drive for my 701C. Every source seemed to have refurbished ones. So I eventually settled on a Fujitsu MHK2060 (a more recent model, I guess), which is only 6.0 GB, so I'm sacrificing 400 MB of the TP's maximum capacity. This was to replace an IBM Travelstar DADA which was very reliable etc, but just too loud. The new drive is way way quieter, but still has a slightly annoying high-pitched whine. Way better than the DADA, way better than most desktops, but still annoying. Going Fn-F6 to turn off the drive works for a few seconds, but then Win95 turns it on again (thank you Microsoft!) for whatever crazy reason. Since the Fujitsu has a bigger cache than the DADA, I thought that the drive would "sleep" longer under Win, but that does not seem to be the case. If anything, the opposite. OK, it has moving parts, so it has to make noise, but why could it not be more like the ship noise / air conditioning in Star Trek TNG ? That is a sort of reassuring hiss. Another advantage of the MHK is that it is considerably lighter and thinner than the DADA. So there is actually room in the caddy to put some sound-absorbent material. Not a lot of it, but maybe enough. I have searched the web looking for information about sound absorbency. However, what I have found tends to talk about macro measures, such as noise abatement of a building or a room. Is there any material that I could sandwich around the Fuji to abate the high-pitched sound? The best I was able to find specifically mentioned on the web was cork, but I'm not sure that I want to introduce such a "dusty" material into the inside of my 701. And of course, while absorbing sound I don't want to create a situation where heat cannot be dissipated. Still seeking silence, -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Mon Sep 25 12:28:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10168 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:28:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18369; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:25:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18049; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:25:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18035; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:25:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:25:53 -0400 Received: from emendels (adsl-141-155-113-186.bellatlantic.net [141.155.113.186]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA13166 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:25:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001f01c0270d$3ef0cb00$080aa8c6@zd.com> From: "Edward Mendelson" To: Subject: [TP701] Source for Dock II adapter in box? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:25:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Can anyone suggest anywhere that might sell the ThinkPad 701 adapter for the Dock II -- (part number 04H6196 or 04H8353), either in box or with the installation guide? I recently bought a Dock II with adapter on eBay, but one of the docking pins arrived broken and it would be nice to have one in good shape. Many thanks for any suggestions. Edward Mendelson Contributing Editor PC Magazine From cph Mon Sep 25 12:38:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA10237 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:38:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19681; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:35:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:34:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19413; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:34:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19400; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:34:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:34:04 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-7.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.160]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA06553; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:34:01 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , Cc: "Mark Bell" , "Bill Morrow" Subject: MARGI Cards? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:38:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <39ce9c44.39229555@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: Emanuel Brown [mailto:epbrown01@att.net] wrote: >>Bill morrow wrote: > >joe sold out..! > > > Of the DVD drives for $75? I don't think so, he's still got two > auctions running for them on eBay. One ends tomorrow and is at > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=443752099 and > the other ends Tuesday and is located at > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=447572113. He > has lowered the amounts available, so I gather the response has been > good. I just "won" one for $75 from Joe on the first auction above, an excellent price IMHO, and the second auction of 10 pieces still doesn't have any bids with a little more than a day to go as I type this. Now that I've gotten a DVD drive for "She Who Must Be Obeyed", I'll need a MARGI card for her antiquated, coal fired, PII 266MHz TP600, and the question for the group is, who's got the best prices on the DVD To Go card? Bill, Mark B, Emanuel? Anyone? I haven't been able to find one for under US$100 and I'd hate to spend a lot for this knowing that my wife's due for an upgrade to an A20 in the near future and the card would wind up in the card graveyard. Thanks for any help, James From cph Mon Sep 25 14:42:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA11603 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:42:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05153; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:37:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:34:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04730; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:33:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04688; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:33:54 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA12466 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:33:51 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001001c0271f$26267d60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" References: <200009250524.e8P5OFu13860@nalle.netsonic.fi> Subject: Re: [TP560 - others?] Laptop cases again Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:33:49 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > If you prefer a hard-sided case with a handle, you can > pick something up at the Salvation Army for under $10 and add > your own padding. Well, maybe I should have repeated this from my first post, but I'm looking for something light, certainly less than 3 pounds and hopefully less than 2 pounds. This is why I asked about people's experiences with the leather portfolio (2.3 pounds) and the Lapdog (2.4 pounds). At this point I will probably either get the portfolio or the Brenthaven Glove (1.7 pounds). I asked in the last post about the Galizia because they are so different from other cases, and would be useful for other situations. BTW, for anyone looking for a hardshell case not of the homebrew variety, the smallest Zero Halliburton laptop case is at onvia.com for $117, and there is a $25 off coupon for onvia at most of the online coupon repositories. This is very tempting (a PC magazine article claimed that this case would protect a laptop from a drop of 60 inches [Zero only claims 30 inches, but still...]) - David R. From cph Mon Sep 25 15:05:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA11829 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:05:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08956; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:02:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:00:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08593; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08572; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:59:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from andrew1.triumf.ca (142.90.106.106 -> andrew1.Triumf.CA) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:59:55 -0400 Received: (from root@localhost) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) id e8PIxEQ04075 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu.AVP; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:59:14 -0700 Received: from sfupc (sfupc.Triumf.CA [142.90.120.3]) by andrew1.triumf.ca (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8PIx6O04067; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:59:06 -0700 Message-ID: <01db01c02722$6043c7c0$03785a8e@triumf.ca> From: "peter machule" To: "Edward Mendelson" , References: <001f01c0270d$3ef0cb00$080aa8c6@zd.com> Subject: Re: [TP701] Source for Dock II adapter in box? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 11:55:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Try these folks . ..peter.. >-----Original Message----- >From: Julie_Schiffer@srsind.com >To: MACHULE@TRIUMF.CA >Date: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 6:45 PM >Subject: 04H8353 > > >> >> >>HE PETER, >> >>I HAVE LOTS OF STOCK ON THESE. PRICE IS $35.00 US DOLLARS. SHIPPABLE >>IMMEDIATLEY. NO EXPEDITE FEE PLEASE ADVISE IF YOU WANT TO BUY. >> >>THANKS FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. >> >>JULIE >>SRS INDUSTRIES >>310-574-9839 >>310-574-5474 (FX) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Mendelson" To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 9:25 AM Subject: [TP701] Source for Dock II adapter in box? > Can anyone suggest anywhere that might sell the ThinkPad 701 adapter for the > Dock II -- (part number 04H6196 or 04H8353), either in box or with the > installation guide? > > I recently bought a Dock II with adapter on eBay, but one of the docking > pins arrived broken and it would be nice to have one in good shape. > > Many thanks for any suggestions. > > Edward Mendelson > Contributing Editor > PC Magazine > > From cph Mon Sep 25 15:05:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA11833 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:05:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08942; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:02:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:59:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08495; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot12.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA08477; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:59:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot12.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.32 -> pilot12.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:59:15 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm455-30.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.40]) by pilot12.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8PIx5X22840 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:59:05 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000925144722.01feceb0@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:56:31 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [TPall] Fujitsu Hard Drive, noise abatement In-Reply-To: <162z54mipJwS092yn@islandnet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: You are right to be thinking of heat problems with the drive. Cork may be too dusty as you say, so I'm thinking of the thin plastic sheeting that come with some electronics as a part of their packaging. It's thin and usually pinkish in color, and squishy. I'd take a material like that and put it around all the areas where the drive touches something. By doing this, perhaps you can dampen the conduction kind of noise, making it better overall. You probably can't wrap the drive because of heat considerations, but you can try to minimize the amount of noise that travels from the disk into the disk housing. Something else that wouldn't hurt (but might not help a lot) would be to get plastic screws for the drive and use those. I think IBM sells Teflon screws that are use-once? If you could find one that fit, you'd damped the noise coming though the screws. I agree this disk noise is a real problem today. My 1451i has a 4.3G disk in it which after 10 months was so noisy that IBM agreed to replace it! This one is now merrily singing along, but perhaps a little quieter. My 1480i with a 6G disk is QUIET. After 10 months of essentially 24/7 use I can't hear anything but the heads move about and recalibrations, which occur too often, but is still better than the whine of a little 99 gram complainer... The worst noise I have ever heard was at a coffee shop recently, where a woman with an IBM had a drive which was actually screeching at a high pitch. She was self-concious about it, so loud was it. But her technical people said that the drive was OK and she'd been using it for more than a year. Wow. So, good luck on your noise abatement project. If it works out, please let us know what things you did for it. --STeve Andre' At 07:26 AM 9/25/00 -0800, Jonathan Berry wrote: >I was unable to get a MHH2064AT Fujitsu 6.4 GB hard drive for >my 701C. Every source seemed to have refurbished ones. > >So I eventually settled on a Fujitsu MHK2060 (a more recent model, I >guess), which is only 6.0 GB, so I'm sacrificing 400 MB of the >TP's maximum capacity. > >This was to replace an IBM Travelstar DADA which was very >reliable etc, but just too loud. > >The new drive is way way quieter, but still has a slightly >annoying high-pitched whine. Way better than the DADA, way >better than most desktops, but still annoying. Going Fn-F6 to >turn off the drive works for a few seconds, but then Win95 >turns it on again (thank you Microsoft!) for whatever crazy >reason. Since the Fujitsu has a bigger cache than the DADA, I >thought that the drive would "sleep" longer under Win, but that >does not seem to be the case. If anything, the opposite. > >OK, it has moving parts, so it has to make noise, but why could >it not be more like the ship noise / air conditioning in Star Trek >TNG ? That is a sort of reassuring hiss. > >Another advantage of the MHK is that it is considerably lighter >and thinner than the DADA. So there is actually room in the >caddy to put some sound-absorbent material. Not a lot of it, >but maybe enough. > >I have searched the web looking for information about sound >absorbency. However, what I have found tends to talk about >macro measures, such as noise abatement of a building or a >room. > >Is there any material that I could sandwich around the Fuji >to abate the high-pitched sound? The best I was able to find >specifically mentioned on the web was cork, but I'm not sure >that I want to introduce such a "dusty" material into the >inside of my 701. And of course, while absorbing sound I don't >want to create a situation where heat cannot be dissipated. > >Still seeking silence, > >-- >cheers >Jonathan Berry >http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Mon Sep 25 15:23:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA12010 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:23:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11394; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:13:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10987; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA10970; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:13:41 -0400 Received: from Mark (client-151-204-210-94.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.94]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10410 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:13:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000925150238.00a08650@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:13:18 -0400 To: "ThinkPad Mailing List (E-mail)" From: Mark Bell Subject: New A21p's In-Reply-To: <39CF55ED.2FF56D47@sls.lcs.mit.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: It seems IBM has these listed on their web site and marked as, "in stock." For $800.00 more, you get: P3-850 15" 1600 x 1200 32gig HD The P3-850 isn't listed as, "with SpeedStep Technology," but it's there. If anyone is interested in dealing with IBM ShopDirect, the link is: http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=204916 7&cntrfnbr=1&cgmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US It seems if you get in EARLY enough with ShopIBM, you can get one, but if they put you in the que, expect to wait MONTHS. This would be a good idea if someone wanted to try and hurry up and get one because most of not all of the A20p's are out of stock at IBM and elsewhere. PC Zones has some 2629-6AUs (P3-750, 15" 1400x1050, 20gig) for $3599.00 along with ecost.com and euclid.com. I had a chance to look at a Inspiron 5000e with a 15" 1600x1200 Sunday. I was right in my assumption and I have reached my screen limits with the 1400 x 1050. 1600x1200 was simply TOO small for my eyes for comfort. Yes, I could see it, but not at a comfortable, easy range. I couldn't see working on that screen for hours even with font size increased. From cph Mon Sep 25 15:30:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA12144 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:30:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12966; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:27:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:25:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12633; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:25:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12589; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (129.250.36.41 -> dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:25:22 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.62] (helo=dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13ddsH-00075s-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:25:13 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.43] (helo=isdn30-43.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp2.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13ddsH-0007Hc-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:25:13 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Battery WANTED! Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:23:14 -0500 Message-ID: <9f9vss0je3qgho57auehceabpjmmqiub0j@4ax.com> References: <39CE80E1.408E2508@mail.orion.org> In-Reply-To: <39CE80E1.408E2508@mail.orion.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA12145 On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:32:01 -0500, Shawn Lin wrote: >I just need a dead or dying battery I understand you can tear the dead battery down and replace with off the shelf NiMH batteries from Radio Shack. However I have not attempted this. From cph Mon Sep 25 15:35:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA12178 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:35:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12964; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:27:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:25:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12550; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:25:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12401; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:24:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net (129.250.36.41 -> dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:25:02 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout1.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13ddqw-0006sS-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:23:50 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.43] (helo=isdn30-43.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13ddqw-0004cc-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:23:50 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: [TP560 - others?] Laptop cases again Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:21:48 -0500 Message-ID: References: <200009250524.e8P5OFu13860@nalle.netsonic.fi> <001001c0271f$26267d60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> In-Reply-To: <001001c0271f$26267d60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id PAA12179 On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 08:33:49 -1000, "David Ross" wrote: > the leather portfolio (2.3 pounds) I use a leather portfolio type case. Two reasons. The bottom does not touch the floor and so protects the notebook. And second, it doesn't look like a notebook is contained in it. A third reason is that the additional dividers supply locations for other stuff ... unfortunately when they're all packed up with wall warts, cdrom, etc. it is NOT light weight. However it is the best soln for my needs that I've found over the years. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Mon Sep 25 16:25:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA12681 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:25:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19343; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:17:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18811; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18784; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:16:58 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA13040 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:16:55 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <005301c0272d$8b276400$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <39CE80E1.408E2508@mail.orion.org> <9f9vss0je3qgho57auehceabpjmmqiub0j@4ax.com> Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Battery WANTED! Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:16:52 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I thought the 560 battery was lithium. I've replaced NiMN and NiCad batteries in packs before, but would be afraid to try with a lithium. Do you have details? (I know this is antithetical to the intent of Shawn's original post...) - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Small" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 9:23 AM Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Battery WANTED! > On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:32:01 -0500, Shawn Lin wrote: > > >I just need a dead or dying battery > > I understand you can tear the dead battery down and replace with off the shelf > NiMH batteries from Radio Shack. However I have not attempted this. > > > From cph Mon Sep 25 16:28:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA12751 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:28:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19936; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:23:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19616; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19386; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:21:50 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.163] (helo=139-142-112-163.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13deic-000NeO-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 13:19:18 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [TP701] 701 power requirements / air travel Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 09:24:03 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: Lines: 78 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I'll be taking a long (9 hour) trans-Atlantic flight and I believe that the seat I will occupy will have the airline power outlet. So, rather than bring 5 batteries.... Xtend (www.xmpi.com) markets a "Power Xtender" (one of the few elements in this jigsaw puzzle that has a name, so you can search for it), with different models for different laptops. For the 701, the model is D307. The 560E is model E302, and the 560X is model E360. The power specs for each xtender are identical, and the adaptor barrels are identical, so what is the difference between these models? Is it some sort of feedback which reduces power consumption when your battery is fully charged? Hmm. The list on the Power Xtenders is about $us100, but you can get them for about $80. First, I'm wondering whether I need one at all. The power output from the aircraft evidently is 11 to 16 volts DC. Is that close enough to power a 701? The standard 701 AC adaptor is a two-pronger about the size of a cigarette pack, and light. You can plug it in to 115 or 230 volts (50 or 60 Hz) directly, all you need is a plug adaptor (not a transformer). I find it hard to believe that what the ac adaptor sends to the 701 is really clean 16-volt DC. My guess is that the power circuitry inside the computer cleans it up. Another data point: the 701 battery is 10.5 volts. So, could I just plug the airline power directly into my 701? Where would I get a cable? At the moment, I couldn't even make one, because I have yet to find out what sort of jack the airline power point provides. In the same line, I have been able to purchase used 701s for friends, but without AC adaptors. I could buy one on ebay for $us 50, ... At thrift stores I haven't seen any 16 volt AC adaptors, but I have seen a 14-volt adaptor. Would that work ? ** WARNING ! One thing that definitely won't work is if the adaptor's DC polarity is opposite the computer's ! Smoke and acrid smells! IBM puts the + on the interior of the barrel. Every barrel appliance adaptor that I've seen has the + on the exterior. *** Of course, the barrel has to fit. I have a dead adaptor here, so that might not be a problem. I'd have to do surgery on the cord anyway, to get the polarity right. Incidentally, IBM adaptors carry no warranty outside of the computer they were sold with, even if they have a serial number. I found that out this morning. This was a used adaptor, so I have no cause to complain, but what if you bought an adaptor new from IBM and then had it fail a few months down the road? Finally, has anybody ever attempted to run their ThinkPad off photovoltaic cells? If the specs make any sense, I have seen 16-volt arrays of sufficient capacity on ebay for about $100. That gives you a certain portability that even batteries don't provide. Useless in November in the Pacific Northwest, but maybe good in Mexico. The solar arrays are too big to put next to the air liner's window seat, and wouldn't provide too much power on starlight; it's a night flight. :-) -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Mon Sep 25 16:29:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA12759 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:29:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20030; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:23:41 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19724; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19707; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:23:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:23:37 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA13116 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:23:34 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <005901c0272e$7921a1c0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000925144722.01feceb0@pilot.msu.edu> Subject: Re: [TPall] Fujitsu Hard Drive, noise abatement Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 10:23:31 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I think Edmund Scientific sells sorbothane in small sheets. Hi-fi fanatics swear by the stuff for damping (you might also find some in hi-fi equipment catalogues). It is not cheap (around $20/square foot), and might come too thick for the drive, but would be perfect for this application. - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "STeve Andre'" To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [TPall] Fujitsu Hard Drive, noise abatement > You are right to be thinking of heat problems with the drive. Cork > may be too dusty as you say, so I'm thinking of the thin plastic > sheeting that come with some electronics as a part of their packaging. > It's thin and usually pinkish in color, and squishy. > > I'd take a material like that and put it around all the areas where the > drive touches something. By doing this, perhaps you can dampen > the conduction kind of noise, making it better overall. You probably > can't wrap the drive because of heat considerations, but you can > try to minimize the amount of noise that travels from the disk into > the disk housing. > > Something else that wouldn't hurt (but might not help a lot) would be > to get plastic screws for the drive and use those. I think IBM sells > Teflon screws that are use-once? If you could find one that fit, you'd > damped the noise coming though the screws. > > I agree this disk noise is a real problem today. My 1451i has a 4.3G > disk in it which after 10 months was so noisy that IBM agreed to replace > it! This one is now merrily singing along, but perhaps a little quieter. > My 1480i with a 6G disk is QUIET. After 10 months of essentially 24/7 > use I can't hear anything but the heads move about and recalibrations, > which occur too often, but is still better than the whine of a little 99 gram > complainer... > > The worst noise I have ever heard was at a coffee shop recently, where a > woman with an IBM had a drive which was actually screeching at a high > pitch. She was self-concious about it, so loud was it. But her technical > people said that the drive was OK and she'd been using it for more than > a year. Wow. > > So, good luck on your noise abatement project. If it works out, please let > us know what things you did for it. > > --STeve Andre' > > At 07:26 AM 9/25/00 -0800, Jonathan Berry wrote: > >I was unable to get a MHH2064AT Fujitsu 6.4 GB hard drive for > >my 701C. Every source seemed to have refurbished ones. > > > >So I eventually settled on a Fujitsu MHK2060 (a more recent model, I > >guess), which is only 6.0 GB, so I'm sacrificing 400 MB of the > >TP's maximum capacity. > > > >This was to replace an IBM Travelstar DADA which was very > >reliable etc, but just too loud. > > > >The new drive is way way quieter, but still has a slightly > >annoying high-pitched whine. Way better than the DADA, way > >better than most desktops, but still annoying. Going Fn-F6 to > >turn off the drive works for a few seconds, but then Win95 > >turns it on again (thank you Microsoft!) for whatever crazy > >reason. Since the Fujitsu has a bigger cache than the DADA, I > >thought that the drive would "sleep" longer under Win, but that > >does not seem to be the case. If anything, the opposite. > > > >OK, it has moving parts, so it has to make noise, but why could > >it not be more like the ship noise / air conditioning in Star Trek > >TNG ? That is a sort of reassuring hiss. > > > >Another advantage of the MHK is that it is considerably lighter > >and thinner than the DADA. So there is actually room in the > >caddy to put some sound-absorbent material. Not a lot of it, > >but maybe enough. > > > >I have searched the web looking for information about sound > >absorbency. However, what I have found tends to talk about > >macro measures, such as noise abatement of a building or a > >room. > > > >Is there any material that I could sandwich around the Fuji > >to abate the high-pitched sound? The best I was able to find > >specifically mentioned on the web was cork, but I'm not sure > >that I want to introduce such a "dusty" material into the > >inside of my 701. And of course, while absorbing sound I don't > >want to create a situation where heat cannot be dissipated. > > > >Still seeking silence, > > > >-- > >cheers > >Jonathan Berry > >http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want > > From cph Mon Sep 25 16:43:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA12867 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:43:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21453; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:33:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:32:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21087; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot23.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21072; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:32:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot23.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.43 -> pilot23.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:32:03 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm455-30.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.40]) by pilot23.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8PKVub54674 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:31:57 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000925162911.01ef7170@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:29:48 -0400 To: From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [TPall] Fujitsu Hard Drive, noise abatement In-Reply-To: <005901c0272e$7921a1c0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000925144722.01feceb0@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I love ES! I didn't know they sold it, but that would be PERFECT! --STeve Andre' At 10:23 AM 9/25/00 -1000, David Ross wrote: >I think Edmund Scientific sells sorbothane in small sheets. Hi-fi fanatics >swear by the stuff for damping (you might also find some in hi-fi equipment >catalogues). It is not cheap (around $20/square foot), and might come too >thick for the drive, but would be perfect for this application. > >- David R. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "STeve Andre'" >To: >Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 8:56 AM >Subject: Re: [TPall] Fujitsu Hard Drive, noise abatement > > > > You are right to be thinking of heat problems with the drive. Cork > > may be too dusty as you say, so I'm thinking of the thin plastic > > sheeting that come with some electronics as a part of their packaging. > > It's thin and usually pinkish in color, and squishy. > > > > I'd take a material like that and put it around all the areas where the > > drive touches something. By doing this, perhaps you can dampen > > the conduction kind of noise, making it better overall. You probably > > can't wrap the drive because of heat considerations, but you can > > try to minimize the amount of noise that travels from the disk into > > the disk housing. > > > > Something else that wouldn't hurt (but might not help a lot) would be > > to get plastic screws for the drive and use those. I think IBM sells > > Teflon screws that are use-once? If you could find one that fit, you'd > > damped the noise coming though the screws. > > > > I agree this disk noise is a real problem today. My 1451i has a 4.3G > > disk in it which after 10 months was so noisy that IBM agreed to replace > > it! This one is now merrily singing along, but perhaps a little quieter. > > My 1480i with a 6G disk is QUIET. After 10 months of essentially 24/7 > > use I can't hear anything but the heads move about and recalibrations, > > which occur too often, but is still better than the whine of a little > 99 gram > > complainer... > > > > The worst noise I have ever heard was at a coffee shop recently, where a > > woman with an IBM had a drive which was actually screeching at a high > > pitch. She was self-concious about it, so loud was it. But her technical > > people said that the drive was OK and she'd been using it for more than > > a year. Wow. > > > > So, good luck on your noise abatement project. If it works out, please let > > us know what things you did for it. > > > > --STeve Andre' > > > > At 07:26 AM 9/25/00 -0800, Jonathan Berry wrote: > > >I was unable to get a MHH2064AT Fujitsu 6.4 GB hard drive for > > >my 701C. Every source seemed to have refurbished ones. > > > > > >So I eventually settled on a Fujitsu MHK2060 (a more recent model, I > > >guess), which is only 6.0 GB, so I'm sacrificing 400 MB of the > > >TP's maximum capacity. > > > > > >This was to replace an IBM Travelstar DADA which was very > > >reliable etc, but just too loud. > > > > > >The new drive is way way quieter, but still has a slightly > > >annoying high-pitched whine. Way better than the DADA, way > > >better than most desktops, but still annoying. Going Fn-F6 to > > >turn off the drive works for a few seconds, but then Win95 > > >turns it on again (thank you Microsoft!) for whatever crazy > > >reason. Since the Fujitsu has a bigger cache than the DADA, I > > >thought that the drive would "sleep" longer under Win, but that > > >does not seem to be the case. If anything, the opposite. > > > > > >OK, it has moving parts, so it has to make noise, but why could > > >it not be more like the ship noise / air conditioning in Star Trek > > >TNG ? That is a sort of reassuring hiss. > > > > > >Another advantage of the MHK is that it is considerably lighter > > >and thinner than the DADA. So there is actually room in the > > >caddy to put some sound-absorbent material. Not a lot of it, > > >but maybe enough. > > > > > >I have searched the web looking for information about sound > > >absorbency. However, what I have found tends to talk about > > >macro measures, such as noise abatement of a building or a > > >room. > > > > > >Is there any material that I could sandwich around the Fuji > > >to abate the high-pitched sound? The best I was able to find > > >specifically mentioned on the web was cork, but I'm not sure > > >that I want to introduce such a "dusty" material into the > > >inside of my 701. And of course, while absorbing sound I don't > > >want to create a situation where heat cannot be dissipated. > > > > > >Still seeking silence, > > > > > >-- > > >cheers > > >Jonathan Berry > > >http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want > > > > From cph Mon Sep 25 16:49:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA12904 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:49:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21421; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:31:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20955; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:31:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot02.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20928; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:30:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot02.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.22 -> pilot02.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:30:59 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm455-30.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.40]) by pilot02.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8PKUsn23604 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:30:54 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000925162524.01f2a940@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:28:46 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: [TP701] 701 power requirements / air travel In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: You've found a PV source capable of running a TP for $100? WHERE? I would expect that creating 16V at 4A would be many times that, based on prices for them I've seen at ham fests. Please divulge... Thanks, STeve Andre' ps: yes, I have run a 700C off them briefly on a hot summer day. The most aggravating about it was the best times to do it, I had to work the hardest and keeping the area around the TP dark so I could see the screen. ;-) At 09:24 AM 9/25/00 -0800, Jonathan Berry wrote: >I'll be taking a long (9 hour) trans-Atlantic flight and I >believe that the seat I will occupy will have the airline >power outlet. > >So, rather than bring 5 batteries.... > >Xtend (www.xmpi.com) markets a "Power Xtender" (one of the few >elements in this jigsaw puzzle that has a name, so you can >search for it), with different models for different laptops. >For the 701, the model is D307. The 560E is model E302, and >the 560X is model E360. > >The power specs for each xtender are identical, and the adaptor >barrels are identical, so what is the difference between these >models? Is it some sort of feedback which reduces power >consumption when your battery is fully charged? Hmm. > >The list on the Power Xtenders is about $us100, but you can get >them for about $80. > >First, I'm wondering whether I need one at all. The power >output from the aircraft evidently is 11 to 16 volts DC. Is >that close enough to power a 701? The standard 701 AC adaptor >is a two-pronger about the size of a cigarette pack, and light. >You can plug it in to 115 or 230 volts (50 or 60 Hz) directly, >all you need is a plug adaptor (not a transformer). I find it >hard to believe that what the ac adaptor sends to the 701 is >really clean 16-volt DC. My guess is that the power circuitry >inside the computer cleans it up. > >Another data point: the 701 battery is 10.5 volts. > >So, could I just plug the airline power directly into my 701? >Where would I get a cable? At the moment, I couldn't even >make one, because I have yet to find out what sort of jack the >airline power point provides. > >In the same line, I have been able to purchase used 701s for >friends, but without AC adaptors. I could buy one on ebay for >$us 50, ... At thrift stores I haven't seen any 16 volt AC >adaptors, but I have seen a 14-volt adaptor. Would that work ? >** WARNING ! One thing that definitely won't work is if the >adaptor's DC polarity is opposite the computer's ! Smoke and >acrid smells! IBM puts the + on the interior of the barrel. >Every barrel appliance adaptor that I've seen has the + on the >exterior. *** > >Of course, the barrel has to fit. I have a dead adaptor here, >so that might not be a problem. I'd have to do surgery on the >cord anyway, to get the polarity right. > >Incidentally, IBM adaptors carry no warranty outside of the >computer they were sold with, even if they have a serial >number. I found that out this morning. This was a used >adaptor, so I have no cause to complain, but what if you bought >an adaptor new from IBM and then had it fail a few months down >the road? > >Finally, has anybody ever attempted to run their ThinkPad off >photovoltaic cells? If the specs make any sense, I have seen >16-volt arrays of sufficient capacity on ebay for about $100. >That gives you a certain portability that even batteries don't >provide. Useless in November in the Pacific Northwest, but >maybe good in Mexico. > > >The solar arrays are too big to put next to the air liner's >window seat, and wouldn't provide too much power on starlight; >it's a night flight. :-) > > > > >-- >cheers >Jonathan Berry >http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Mon Sep 25 17:46:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA13510 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:46:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29370; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:30:29 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28637; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:30:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA28545; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:30:26 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.161] (helo=139-142-112-161.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13dfoF-0004Bc-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:29:11 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP560 - others?] Laptop cases again Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:13:18 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <+38z54mipB/f092yn@islandnet.com> References: <200009250524.e8P5OFu13860@nalle.netsonic.fi> <001001c0271f$26267d60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Lines: 30 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: The ladies' makeup suitcase (or is it a sewing suitcase?) that I picked up for $cdn 1.60 at the Sally Ann could easily fit three 701 s and their ac adaptors. It weighs 2-3 pounds (sorry, not very accurate, using the bathroom scales). It is not bullet proof, but pretty close. I just stood on it (I weigh 238 lbs.) with no apparent ill effect. The plaque on the front says "SelectAir Montreal". I guess it was made for travel. Sorry, ladies! It is a robin's egg blue. I don't think anybody would steal it. In article <001001c0271f$26267d60$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu>, "David Ross" wrote: >> If you prefer a hard-sided case with a handle, you can >> pick something up at the Salvation Army for under $10 and add >> your own padding. > >Well, maybe I should have repeated this from my first post, but I'm looking for >something light, certainly less than 3 pounds >and hopefully less than 2 pounds. This is why I asked about people's >experiences with the leather portfolio (2.3 pounds) and the Lapdog (2.4 >pounds). At this point I will probably either get the portfolio or the >Brenthaven Glove (1.7 pounds). > -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Mon Sep 25 18:05:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA13753 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:05:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02393; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:00:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:57:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01921; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:57:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01780; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:57:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:57:22 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-12-24.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.129]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA32453; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:56:57 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "David Ross" , Subject: RE: [TPall] Fujitsu Hard Drive, noise abatement Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:01:34 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 In-Reply-To: <005901c0272e$7921a1c0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: David Ross [mailto:ross@math.hawaii.edu] wrote: > I think Edmund Scientific sells sorbothane in small sheets. Hi-fi fanatics > swear by the stuff for damping (you might also find some in hi-fi equipment > catalogues). It is not cheap (around $20/square foot), and might come too > thick for the drive, but would be perfect for this application. They sure do! http://www.edmundscientific.com/Products/DisplayProduct.cfm?productid=1790 and as you said, it's $20 a square foot. ES has been the ultimate toy store for me for MANY years and, now that they're only a 20 minute drive away, have been the source of years and years of birthday presents for our kids. Heck, I STILL have the tank periscopes I received as a present in the mid 1950's! Of course searching for a present for one of the kids has also served as an excellent "excuse" for diving into their closeout bins, even though the "kids" are now all in their 20's! ;-) Regards, James From cph Mon Sep 25 18:22:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA13856 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:22:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04830; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:19:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:17:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04463; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04398; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:17:12 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.183] (helo=139-142-112-183.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13dgXo-0008hv-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:16:16 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP701] 701 power requirements / air travel Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:49:31 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <7Z9z54mipNDX092yn@islandnet.com> References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000925162524.01f2a940@pilot.msu.edu> Lines: 125 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Hmm, maybe you're right. A 701C is rated for 16 Volts @ 1.9 Amps, which works out to 30 watts. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=445428647 is 16 volts at 10 watts. His opening bid is about $us 70. So, using the machine's ratings, we're looking at $us 210 for three of them. The logic I was using was that the IBM NiMH battery is rated at 1.9 Ampere-Hours, 10.6 volts, that's about 20 watt-hours of power. That should run a 701 for (conservatively) 2 hours (IBM's docs actually state 5 hours, but I've never seen a battery guage above 3 hours 15 minutes, and even then I think they were kidding), that is where I got the 10 watts. Sure, you often really do need 30 watts, but that is why you have a battery. I can't imagine using the computer for 12 hours a day, but the sun does shine close to 12 hours a day in Mexico (except June 15th through October). In article <5.0.0.25.0.20000925162524.01f2a940@pilot.msu.edu>, "STeve Andre'" wrote: >You've found a PV source capable of running a TP for $100? > >WHERE? I would expect that creating 16V at 4A would be >many times that, based on prices for them I've seen at ham >fests. > >Please divulge... > >Thanks, STeve Andre' > >ps: yes, I have run a 700C off them briefly on a hot summer day. The >most aggravating about it was the best times to do it, I had to work >the hardest and keeping the area around the TP dark so I could see >the screen. ;-) > >At 09:24 AM 9/25/00 -0800, Jonathan Berry wrote: >>I'll be taking a long (9 hour) trans-Atlantic flight and I >>believe that the seat I will occupy will have the airline >>power outlet. >> >>So, rather than bring 5 batteries.... >> >>Xtend (www.xmpi.com) markets a "Power Xtender" (one of the few >>elements in this jigsaw puzzle that has a name, so you can >>search for it), with different models for different laptops. >>For the 701, the model is D307. The 560E is model E302, and >>the 560X is model E360. >> >>The power specs for each xtender are identical, and the adaptor >>barrels are identical, so what is the difference between these >>models? Is it some sort of feedback which reduces power >>consumption when your battery is fully charged? Hmm. >> >>The list on the Power Xtenders is about $us100, but you can get >>them for about $80. >> >>First, I'm wondering whether I need one at all. The power >>output from the aircraft evidently is 11 to 16 volts DC. Is >>that close enough to power a 701? The standard 701 AC adaptor >>is a two-pronger about the size of a cigarette pack, and light. >>You can plug it in to 115 or 230 volts (50 or 60 Hz) directly, >>all you need is a plug adaptor (not a transformer). I find it >>hard to believe that what the ac adaptor sends to the 701 is >>really clean 16-volt DC. My guess is that the power circuitry >>inside the computer cleans it up. >> >>Another data point: the 701 battery is 10.5 volts. >> >>So, could I just plug the airline power directly into my 701? >>Where would I get a cable? At the moment, I couldn't even >>make one, because I have yet to find out what sort of jack the >>airline power point provides. >> >>In the same line, I have been able to purchase used 701s for >>friends, but without AC adaptors. I could buy one on ebay for >>$us 50, ... At thrift stores I haven't seen any 16 volt AC >>adaptors, but I have seen a 14-volt adaptor. Would that work ? >>** WARNING ! One thing that definitely won't work is if the >>adaptor's DC polarity is opposite the computer's ! Smoke and >>acrid smells! IBM puts the + on the interior of the barrel. >>Every barrel appliance adaptor that I've seen has the + on the >>exterior. *** >> >>Of course, the barrel has to fit. I have a dead adaptor here, >>so that might not be a problem. I'd have to do surgery on the >>cord anyway, to get the polarity right. >> >>Incidentally, IBM adaptors carry no warranty outside of the >>computer they were sold with, even if they have a serial >>number. I found that out this morning. This was a used >>adaptor, so I have no cause to complain, but what if you bought >>an adaptor new from IBM and then had it fail a few months down >>the road? >> >>Finally, has anybody ever attempted to run their ThinkPad off >>photovoltaic cells? If the specs make any sense, I have seen >>16-volt arrays of sufficient capacity on ebay for about $100. >>That gives you a certain portability that even batteries don't >>provide. Useless in November in the Pacific Northwest, but >>maybe good in Mexico. >> >> >>The solar arrays are too big to put next to the air liner's >>window seat, and wouldn't provide too much power on starlight; >>it's a night flight. :-) >> >> >> >> >>-- >>cheers >>Jonathan Berry >>http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want > > > -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Mon Sep 25 18:27:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA13890 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:27:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05315; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:23:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:20:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04908; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04879; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:20:30 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (sierpinski.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.252]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA13705 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:20:27 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <00ac01c0273e$ccdf0f40$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" References: Subject: Re: [TP701] 701 power requirements / air travel Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 12:20:23 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id SAA05315 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id SAA13891 > Incidentally, IBM adaptors carry no warranty outside of the > computer they were sold with, even if they have a serial > number. I found that out this morning. This was a used > adaptor, so I have no cause to complain, but what if you bought > an adaptor new from IBM and then had it fail a few months down > the road? Are you sure? I recently bought the Ø2K6545 (slim adapter), and both the dealer (onvia) and IBM's OBI website said it had a 12 month warrantee. - David R. From cph Mon Sep 25 18:32:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA13962 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:32:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04793; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:17:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04436; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:17:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04394; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:17:10 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.183] (helo=139-142-112-183.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13dgXr-0008hv-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 15:16:19 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TPall] Fujitsu Hard Drive, noise abatement Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 14:43:48 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000925144722.01feceb0@pilot.msu.edu> <005901c0272e$7921a1c0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu> Lines: 92 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: www.sorbothane.com Looks interesting! I've emailed them to find out sources and sizes. They have a demo with an egg and a mallet. Those who buy expensive laptop cases may want to consider sorbothane as a cushioning material, while those of us who shop at Sally Ann are recycling bubble wrap. :-) I think it's actually *more* than $20 a square foot. Looking at the materials which sorbothane excels in vibration damping and shock control (in the company's graphs) one of them is neoprene rubber and another is butyl rubber. I believe that bicycle inner tubes (available for free once they are no longer able to fulfill the purpose for which they were manufactured) are butyl rubber, and once you've cut them with a scissors, they are in thin sheets ... In article <005901c0272e$7921a1c0$fc32ab80@math.hawaii.edu>, "David Ross" wrote: >I think Edmund Scientific sells sorbothane in small sheets. Hi-fi fanatics >swear by the stuff for damping (you might also find some in hi-fi equipment >catalogues). It is not cheap (around $20/square foot), and might come too >thick for the drive, but would be perfect for this application. > >- David R. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "STeve Andre'" >To: >Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 8:56 AM >Subject: Re: [TPall] Fujitsu Hard Drive, noise abatement > > >> You are right to be thinking of heat problems with the drive. Cork >> may be too dusty as you say, so I'm thinking of the thin plastic >> sheeting that come with some electronics as a part of their packaging. >> It's thin and usually pinkish in color, and squishy. >> >> I'd take a material like that and put it around all the areas where the >> drive touches something. By doing this, perhaps you can dampen >> the conduction kind of noise, making it better overall. You probably >> can't wrap the drive because of heat considerations, but you can >> try to minimize the amount of noise that travels from the disk into >> the disk housing. >> >> Something else that wouldn't hurt (but might not help a lot) would be >> to get plastic screws for the drive and use those. I think IBM sells >> Teflon screws that are use-once? If you could find one that fit, you'd >> damped the noise coming though the screws. >> >> I agree this disk noise is a real problem today. My 1451i has a 4.3G >> disk in it which after 10 months was so noisy that IBM agreed to replace >> it! This one is now merrily singing along, but perhaps a little quieter. >> My 1480i with a 6G disk is QUIET. After 10 months of essentially 24/7 >> use I can't hear anything but the heads move about and recalibrations, >> which occur too often, but is still better than the whine of a little 99 gram >> complainer... >> >> The worst noise I have ever heard was at a coffee shop recently, where a >> woman with an IBM had a drive which was actually screeching at a high >> pitch. She was self-concious about it, so loud was it. But her technical >> people said that the drive was OK and she'd been using it for more than >> a year. Wow. >> >> So, good luck on your noise abatement project. If it works out, please let >> us know what things you did for it. >> >> --STeve Andre' >> >> > >> >Is there any material that I could sandwich around the Fuji >> >to abate the high-pitched sound? The best I was able to find >> >specifically mentioned on the web was cork, but I'm not sure >> >that I want to introduce such a "dusty" material into the >> >inside of my 701. And of course, while absorbing sound I don't >> >want to create a situation where heat cannot be dissipated. >> > >> >Still seeking silence, >> > -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Mon Sep 25 19:16:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA14379 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:16:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA10156; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:03:17 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09836; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09742; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:02:57 -0400 Received: from emendels (adsl-141-155-113-186.bellatlantic.net [141.155.113.186]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA19679 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:02:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01c02744$b0b22c20$080aa8c6@zd.com> From: "Edward Mendelson" To: Subject: [TP701] Where to find new keyboard? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:02:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: This is probably a question with no answer, but I wonder if anyone knows a source for a ThinkPad 701 keyboard in very good condition? Thanks for all the help I've alreeady received from this group! Edward Mendelson Contributing Editor PC Magazine From cph Mon Sep 25 19:29:55 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA14461 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:29:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12108; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:24:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:21:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11776; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:21:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11762; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.60) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:21:50 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.48.1.184 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 16:16:50 -0700 Message-ID: <008901c02747$3477c680$b801303f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Edward Mendelson" Cc: "Thinkpad Users" References: <000d01c02744$b0b22c20$080aa8c6@zd.com> Subject: Re: [TP701] Where to find new keyboard? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:20:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: If you find one let me know, a friends daughter just dumped a coke on her 701 ----- Original Message ----- From: Edward Mendelson To: Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 6:02 PM Subject: [TP701] Where to find new keyboard? > This is probably a question with no answer, but I wonder if anyone knows a > source for a ThinkPad 701 keyboard in very good condition? > > Thanks for all the help I've alreeady received from this group! > > Edward Mendelson > Contributing Editor > PC Magazine > > > > From cph Mon Sep 25 20:30:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA14999 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:30:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17235; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:10:11 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16635; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:10:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16521; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:09:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 20:09:42 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.190] (helo=139-142-112-190.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13diIQ-000Ift-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:08:30 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) Newsgroups: list.thinkpad To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP701] Where to find new keyboard? Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 17:01:47 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: <7V/z54miptMd092yn@islandnet.com> References: <000d01c02744$b0b22c20$080aa8c6@zd.com> <008901c02747$3477c680$b801303f@oemcomputer> Lines: 45 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: Supposedly, over 10,000 701 keyboards were remaindered by IBM, but so far they have not appeared in the marketplace. I'd look on ebay. There are a lot of 701s coming off lease (sometimes missing ac adaptor, diskette drive, port replicator, hard drive), and they keyboards are often in pristine condition because the executive who used it didn't type much. You'll have a spare screen and RAM, too, but that isn't a hardship, is it? In article <008901c02747$3477c680$b801303f@oemcomputer>, "Brad Burean" wrote: >If you find one let me know, a friends daughter just dumped a coke on her >701 >----- Original Message ----- >From: Edward Mendelson >To: >Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 6:02 PM >Subject: [TP701] Where to find new keyboard? > > >> This is probably a question with no answer, but I wonder if anyone knows a >> source for a ThinkPad 701 keyboard in very good condition? >> >> Thanks for all the help I've alreeady received from this group! >> >> Edward Mendelson >> Contributing Editor >> PC Magazine >> >> >> >> > > > > -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Mon Sep 25 21:41:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA15572 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:41:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA24067; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:23:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23425; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:23:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23362; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009260123.VAA23362@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:23:31 -0400 Received: from slip-32-101-212-116.ma.us.prserv.net ([32.101.212.116]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000092601230223900nce63e>; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:23:04 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Edward Mendelson" Date: Mon, 25 Sep 00 21:22:58 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [TP701] Where to find new keyboard? List-Unsubscribe: On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:02:30 -0400, Edward Mendelson wrote: >This is probably a question with no answer, but I wonder if anyone knows a >source for a ThinkPad 701 keyboard in very good condition? > www.bluestarusa.com is worth a try From cph Mon Sep 25 23:10:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA16240 for ; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:09:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02583; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:04:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:56:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01951; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01891; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.51 -> mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:55:54 -0400 Received: from thinkpad1 ([12.79.29.118]) by mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000926025529.GZXN3176.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@thinkpad1>; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:55:29 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c02765$6f54c320$761d4f0c@thinkpad1> From: "Donald Mak" To: "TP List" , "Randal Whittle" References: <4.2.0.58.20000923105215.029d97c8@pop3.iceka.com><5.0.0.25.0.20000923130547.01f3caa0@pilot.msu.edu><4.2.0.58.20000923092210.029d6fa0@pop3.iceka.com><5.0.0.25.0.20000923114803.01f627e0@pilot.msu.edu><200009230941.MAA09790@home.egenet.com.tr><39CC38DA.46BDBE5B@gate.net> <4.2.0.58.20000923210116.02a5da98@pop3.iceka.com> Subject: Re: Laptops in Hot Cars (Was: A20 vs T series) Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:56:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: IMHO the TP's should be able to withstand the temperature extremes that any portable device may incur. I have left portable radios (which are < $100 not 4k) in cars and there was no damage. As for the rugged laptops designed for 'extreme' use..that's a whole different intent. They are built to withstand severe abuse .i.e. such as those designed for military use which must be able to take an airborne ops. drop or water and sand. Donald Mak ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randal Whittle" To: "TP List" Sent: Sunday, September 24, 2000 12:01 AM Subject: Re: Laptops in Hot Cars (Was: A20 vs T series) > At 11:46 PM 9/23/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >Well, what you say is true, the conditions might have been > >different. 'Twas last summer in > >Michigan when it was in the mid 80's, and I left it in the car for about 5 > >hours. Long enough > >to completely melt two candles I'd bought as a wedding present, nicely > >flowing around my > > Nevertheless, a summer day in Michigan ain't the same as a summer > day in Arizona. ;-) > From cph Tue Sep 26 00:58:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA17045 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:58:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08924; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:48:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:40:22 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08517; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:40:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08502; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:40:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:40:11 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-139.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.139]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e8Q4dT528508; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:39:29 -0700 Message-ID: <39D0287B.4792C173@mail.orion.org> Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 23:39:23 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: John Small CC: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Battery WANTED! References: <39CE80E1.408E2508@mail.orion.org> <9f9vss0je3qgho57auehceabpjmmqiub0j@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: John Small wrote: > > On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:32:01 -0500, Shawn Lin wrote: > > >I just need a dead or dying battery > > I understand you can tear the dead battery down and replace with off the shelf > NiMH batteries from Radio Shack. However I have not attempted this. I tried (well, sorta). It worked, and it didn't. I took 9 Nexcell NiMH AA batteries and taped them together. I think they are only 1500mAh so they fall short compared to the TP560 battery pack (2.2Ah). I used alligator clips and hooked them up to my TP560X's +/- battery terminals. I was able to turn on the computer, it booted fine. However, when it got to the Windows98 desktop, the computer beeped and shut off. After that, when I turned it on, it would stay on only long enough to show the memory count and IBM logo. Who knows, either the batteries drained super quickly, or the computer needs the extra circuitry in the IBM battery pack to stay on. Assuming this would have worked, the NiMH only has 68% capacity of the LiIon. Assuming a full life of 3hrs, the battery pack would only work for 2.05hrs. I have no idea if it's possible to buy LiIon AA's, but NiMH AA's sell quite reasonably at http://www.thomas-distributing.com Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Sep 26 01:09:27 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA17115 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:09:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09720; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:58:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09440; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:58:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot16.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09421; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:58:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot16.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.36 -> pilot16.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:58:47 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm455-46.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.56]) by pilot16.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8Q4weh18526 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:58:40 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000926005514.01f6c330@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:58:34 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Battery WANTED! In-Reply-To: <39D0287B.4792C173@mail.orion.org> References: <39CE80E1.408E2508@mail.orion.org> <9f9vss0je3qgho57auehceabpjmmqiub0j@4ax.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Given the number of terminals on a battery, I'll bet that while you supplied a reasonable amount of voltage, you didn't supply the various status pins (voltage level for individual banks?) that the battery has, the TP saw "dead" values for those, and promptly died. If one of them was temperature, the TP might have thought the battery was burning up or something? Gone are the days of just + and - from a battery in a portable computer... --STeve Andre' At 11:39 PM 9/25/00 -0500, Shawn Lin wrote: >John Small wrote: > > > > On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:32:01 -0500, Shawn Lin > wrote: > > > > >I just need a dead or dying battery > > > > I understand you can tear the dead battery down and replace with off > the shelf > > NiMH batteries from Radio Shack. However I have not attempted this. > >I tried (well, sorta). It worked, and it didn't. >I took 9 Nexcell NiMH AA batteries and taped them together. I think >they are only 1500mAh so they fall short compared to the TP560 battery >pack (2.2Ah). I used alligator clips and hooked them up to my TP560X's >+/- battery terminals. >I was able to turn on the computer, it booted fine. However, when it >got to the Windows98 desktop, the computer beeped and shut off. After >that, when I turned it on, it would stay on only long enough to show the >memory count and IBM logo. >Who knows, either the batteries drained super quickly, or the computer >needs the extra circuitry in the IBM battery pack to stay on. > >Assuming this would have worked, the NiMH only has 68% capacity of the >LiIon. Assuming a full life of 3hrs, the battery pack would only work >for 2.05hrs. > >I have no idea if it's possible to buy LiIon AA's, but NiMH AA's sell >quite reasonably at http://www.thomas-distributing.com > >Shawn > > > >________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Sep 26 01:20:41 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA17187 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:20:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10745; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:18:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:15:26 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10510; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10435; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:14:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:14:47 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-139.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.139]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e8Q5ET532587; Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:14:30 -0700 Message-ID: <39D030B0.854BEE63@mail.orion.org> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 00:14:24 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Battery WANTED! References: <39CE80E1.408E2508@mail.orion.org> <9f9vss0je3qgho57auehceabpjmmqiub0j@4ax.com> <5.0.0.25.0.20000926005514.01f6c330@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: STeve Andre' wrote: > > Given the number of terminals on a battery, I'll bet that while you supplied a > reasonable amount of voltage, you didn't supply the various status pins > (voltage > level for individual banks?) that the battery has, the TP saw "dead" values for > those, and promptly died. If one of them was temperature, the TP might have > thought the battery was burning up or something? I think you're absolutely correct. Only one way to find out for SURE, that's to try sticking some NiMH cells into a real TP battery. The fact that the computer beeped before it shut down, seems to indicate that it knew something was wrong, and shut down deliberately. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Tue Sep 26 01:33:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA17226 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:33:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11081; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:20:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10906; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot16.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10887; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot16.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.36 -> pilot16.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:20:25 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm455-46.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.56]) by pilot16.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8Q5KJh19308; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:20:19 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000926011735.01f6c560@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:20:13 -0400 To: Shawn Lin From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Battery WANTED! Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <39D030B0.854BEE63@mail.orion.org> References: <39CE80E1.408E2508@mail.orion.org> <9f9vss0je3qgho57auehceabpjmmqiub0j@4ax.com> <5.0.0.25.0.20000926005514.01f6c330@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I think the next step would be to find a schematic for the battery and go from there. With a schematic all things are possible (even if absurdly hard). If you find that, let us know. I think I'm going to look for a DC/DC converter for my 1451 and 1480, and run it off a deep cycle marine battery. I'll bet I can run for 30 hours on one, not that it can moved around easily! --STeve Andre' At 12:14 AM 9/26/00 -0500, Shawn Lin wrote: >STeve Andre' wrote: > > > > Given the number of terminals on a battery, I'll bet that while you > supplied a > > reasonable amount of voltage, you didn't supply the various status pins > > (voltage > > level for individual banks?) that the battery has, the TP saw "dead" > values for > > those, and promptly died. If one of them was temperature, the TP might > have > > thought the battery was burning up or something? > >I think you're absolutely correct. >Only one way to find out for SURE, that's to try sticking some NiMH >cells into a real TP battery. The fact that the computer beeped before >it shut down, seems to indicate that it knew something was wrong, and >shut down deliberately. > >Shawn From cph Tue Sep 26 01:49:02 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA17300 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:49:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12689; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:40:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12411; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:40:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12356; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:40:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:40:42 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-429.gate.net [199.227.173.175]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA260924; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:38:15 -0400 Message-ID: <39D03676.71CC5E60@gate.net> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:39:02 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: turgut kalfaoglu CC: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Suspend = WinME death References: <200009251142.OAA11811@home.egenet.com.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: which machine..?? on my A20p, under DOS, it enters suspend, and thats it.. turgut kalfaoglu wrote: > When I leave the office, I come back to a machine that has entered > the suspend mode, as it should, but one that's so suspended that > nothing can wake it up :) > > sometimes I get a loud BEEP when I hit the keys.. > > Any ideas what I should check? Yeah, disable Suspend.. good idea :) > > -turgut > > ------------ > EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr > Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Tue Sep 26 01:54:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id BAA17324 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:54:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12523; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:41:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:38:23 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12211; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12045; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:37:27 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-429.gate.net [199.227.173.175]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA370746; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:36:29 -0400 Message-ID: <39D0360B.CE5EEB1@gate.net> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:37:16 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Bell CC: "ThinkPad Mailing List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: New A21p's References: <4.2.0.58.20000925150238.00a08650@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The A21p is out of stock at IBM.. there are a few A20p's still available.. but the info i have is that both the A20p and A21p will be highly constrained for at least a month, if not longer.. Mark Bell wrote: > It seems IBM has these listed on their web site and marked as, "in stock." > For $800.00 more, you get: > > P3-850 > 15" 1600 x 1200 > 32gig HD > > The P3-850 isn't listed as, "with SpeedStep Technology," but it's there. > > If anyone is interested in dealing with IBM ShopDirect, the link is: > > http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=204916 > 7&cntrfnbr=1&cgmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US > > It seems if you get in EARLY enough with ShopIBM, you can get one, but if > they put you in the > que, expect to wait MONTHS. This would be a good idea if someone wanted to > try and hurry > up and get one because most of not all of the A20p's are out of stock at > IBM and elsewhere. > PC Zones has some 2629-6AUs (P3-750, 15" 1400x1050, 20gig) for $3599.00 > along with > ecost.com and euclid.com. > > I had a chance to look at a Inspiron 5000e with a 15" 1600x1200 Sunday. I > was right > in my assumption and I have reached my screen limits with the 1400 x 1050. > 1600x1200 > was simply TOO small for my eyes for comfort. Yes, I could see it, but not at a > comfortable, easy range. I couldn't see working on that screen for hours > even with font > size increased. -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Tue Sep 26 02:00:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA17352 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:00:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13376; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:50:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:46:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA13015; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:46:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12323; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:40:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from flathead.gate.net (216.219.246.5 -> flathead.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:40:35 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-429.gate.net [199.227.173.175]) by flathead.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA393616; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:39:59 -0400 Message-ID: <39D036DE.9E1C1ED4@gate.net> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:40:46 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: I Lee Hetherington CC: "Hay, Will" , "ThinkPad Mailing List (E-mail)" , "'emanuel@brown.org'" Subject: Re: T20: 3com v Intel NIC References: <39CF55ED.2FF56D47@sls.lcs.mit.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: AFAIK, both combo cards are winmodem.. in the words of the bard of stratford upon avon, this s--ks.. I Lee Hetherington wrote: > I have the 2647-84U T20 with the Intel NIC and (I think) Xircom modem. > The NIC works fine in Windows and Linux. I really like having a > built-in NIC in a laptop. I think the modem is a Winmodem, so I haven't > even tried to use it in Linux. > > --Lee Hetherington -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Tue Sep 26 02:17:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA17440 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:17:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14999; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:09:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14788; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:09:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot04.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA14772; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:09:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot04.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.24 -> pilot04.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:09:04 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm455-46.dialip.mich.net [198.110.21.56]) by pilot04.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8Q690767790 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:09:01 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000926020732.01ef9990@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:08:52 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: New A21p's In-Reply-To: <39D0360B.CE5EEB1@gate.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20000925150238.00a08650@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: The A21p is out of stock? When was it ever IN stock? I mean, was it officially sold for a few days and now they're supply is exhusted? I am confused. --STeve Andre' At 01:37 AM 9/26/00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >The A21p is out of stock at IBM.. >there are a few A20p's still available.. >but the info i have is that both the A20p and A21p will be highly >constrained for >at least a month, if not longer.. > > >Mark Bell wrote: > > > It seems IBM has these listed on their web site and marked as, "in stock." > > For $800.00 more, you get: > > > > P3-850 > > 15" 1600 x 1200 > > 32gig HD > > > > The P3-850 isn't listed as, "with SpeedStep Technology," but it's there. > > > > If anyone is interested in dealing with IBM ShopDirect, the link is: > > > > > http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=204916 > > 7&cntrfnbr=1&cgmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US > > > > It seems if you get in EARLY enough with ShopIBM, you can get one, but if > > they put you in the > > que, expect to wait MONTHS. This would be a good idea if someone wanted to > > try and hurry > > up and get one because most of not all of the A20p's are out of stock at > > IBM and elsewhere. > > PC Zones has some 2629-6AUs (P3-750, 15" 1400x1050, 20gig) for $3599.00 > > along with > > ecost.com and euclid.com. > > > > I had a chance to look at a Inspiron 5000e with a 15" 1600x1200 Sunday. I > > was right > > in my assumption and I have reached my screen limits with the 1400 x 1050. > > 1600x1200 > > was simply TOO small for my eyes for comfort. Yes, I could see it, but > not at a > > comfortable, easy range. I couldn't see working on that screen for hours > > even with font > > size increased. > >-- >--- > >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net >open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? >sic transit gloria From cph Tue Sep 26 02:35:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA17513 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:34:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16038; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:31:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:28:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15847; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:28:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15741; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:26:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:27:12 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-429.gate.net [199.227.173.175]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA240902; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:26:28 -0400 Message-ID: <39D041C1.51C22323@gate.net> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:27:13 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Hay, Will" CC: "ThinkPad Mailing List (E-mail)" , "'emanuel@brown.org'" Subject: Re: T20: 3com v Intel NIC References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: AFAIK, they are both the same, except Birger ran a comparison and found the xircom version modem was a tiny bit faster than the 3-com.. both winmodem.. there is a new combo card, which says it protects against digital phone lines.. "Hay, Will" wrote: > Can anyone help me understand the difference between the 3com NIC and the > Intel NIC for the T20? I've ordered the 3com but IBM online wants me to take > the Intel one instead. I'm really looking for the hardware modem, as I > understand the Ethernet side is very similar. Also linux compatibility would > be nice. > > TIA > > Will -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Tue Sep 26 02:37:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA17524 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:37:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16379; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:34:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA16225; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:34:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA15945; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:30:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:30:02 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-429.gate.net [199.227.173.175]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA364034; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:29:34 -0400 Message-ID: <39D0427C.6D8E103E@gate.net> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 02:30:20 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "STeve Andre'" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New A21p's References: <4.2.0.58.20000925150238.00a08650@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> <5.0.0.25.0.20000926020732.01ef9990@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: they had a few and they are all gone..! STeve Andre' wrote: > The A21p is out of stock? When was it ever IN stock? I mean, was it > officially > sold for a few days and now they're supply is exhusted? I am confused. > > --STeve Andre' > > At 01:37 AM 9/26/00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: > >The A21p is out of stock at IBM.. > >there are a few A20p's still available.. > >but the info i have is that both the A20p and A21p will be highly > >constrained for > >at least a month, if not longer.. > > > > > >Mark Bell wrote: > > > > > It seems IBM has these listed on their web site and marked as, "in stock." > > > For $800.00 more, you get: > > > > > > P3-850 > > > 15" 1600 x 1200 > > > 32gig HD > > > > > > The P3-850 isn't listed as, "with SpeedStep Technology," but it's there. > > > > > > If anyone is interested in dealing with IBM ShopDirect, the link is: > > > > > > > > http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=204916 > > > 7&cntrfnbr=1&cgmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US > > > > > > It seems if you get in EARLY enough with ShopIBM, you can get one, but if > > > they put you in the > > > que, expect to wait MONTHS. This would be a good idea if someone wanted to > > > try and hurry > > > up and get one because most of not all of the A20p's are out of stock at > > > IBM and elsewhere. > > > PC Zones has some 2629-6AUs (P3-750, 15" 1400x1050, 20gig) for $3599.00 > > > along with > > > ecost.com and euclid.com. > > > > > > I had a chance to look at a Inspiron 5000e with a 15" 1600x1200 Sunday. I > > > was right > > > in my assumption and I have reached my screen limits with the 1400 x 1050. > > > 1600x1200 > > > was simply TOO small for my eyes for comfort. Yes, I could see it, but > > not at a > > > comfortable, easy range. I couldn't see working on that screen for hours > > > even with font > > > size increased. > > > >-- > >--- > > > >Happy trails... > > > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) > >WEB page http://thinkpads.com > >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > >open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > >sic transit gloria -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Tue Sep 26 05:24:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id FAA18323 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 05:24:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA29649; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 05:17:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 05:07:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24364; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 05:07:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA24135; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 05:02:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.egenet.com.tr (212.175.201.3 -> irc.egenet.com.tr) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 05:04:28 -0400 Received: from tk-laptop (tk-laptop.egenet.com.tr [212.175.201.38]) by home.egenet.com.tr (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA04820; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:00:33 +0300 (EET DST) Message-Id: <200009260900.MAA04820@home.egenet.com.tr> From: "turgut kalfaoglu" To: "penzance@gate.net" Cc: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:00:58 +0300 Reply-To: "turgut kalfaoglu" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2000 Professional (2.10.2010) For Windows 98 (4.90.3000) In-Reply-To: <39D03676.71CC5E60@gate.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Suspend = WinME death List-Unsubscribe: Oh sorry it's A20m.. -turgut On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 01:39:02 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >which machine..?? >on my A20p, under DOS, it enters suspend, and thats it.. > > >turgut kalfaoglu wrote: > >> When I leave the office, I come back to a machine that has entered >> the suspend mode, as it should, but one that's so suspended that >> nothing can wake it up :) >> >> sometimes I get a loud BEEP when I hit the keys.. >> >> Any ideas what I should check? Yeah, disable Suspend.. good idea :) >> >> -turgut >> >> ------------ >> EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr >> Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr > >-- >--- > >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net >open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? >sic transit gloria > > > ------------ EgeNet Internet Services: http://www.egenet.com.tr Find all of Turkey online: http://find.egenet.com.tr From cph Tue Sep 26 07:15:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA18880 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:15:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05167; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:10:08 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05012; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:10:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04958; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:09:33 -0400 Received: from emendels (adsl-141-155-113-15.bellatlantic.net [141.155.113.15]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA17545 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:09:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004701c027aa$3eae2e60$080aa8c6@zd.com> From: "Edward Mendelson" To: Subject: Re: [TP 701] Where to find new keyboard? Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:09:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Jonathan, As you suggested, I've been looking on eBay for 701s (or 701 keyboards) in really good shape, but there's always been something slightly wrong when item arrives. I've found one very reliable source for old-model ThinkPads: Denis Hall in Michigan, denhall@ismi.net . I've bought a couple of 750s and a Dock I from him, and everything was *exactly* as described. But he's still looking in his stock to see if he's got any 701s, and I don't know if he'll find anything. (Probably many people on this list know about him already, but I thought I'd mention him just in case other newcomers to the list might be interested.) >I'd look on ebay. There are a lot of 701s coming off lease >(sometimes missing ac adaptor, diskette drive, port replicator, >hard drive), and they keyboards are often in pristine condition >because the executive who used it didn't type much. From cph Tue Sep 26 07:18:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA18892 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:18:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05171; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:12:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:05:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04797; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:05:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04784; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:04:29 -0400 Received: from Mark (client-151-204-210-3.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.3]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA08038 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000926070321.027c4b50@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:04:29 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: New A21p's In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20000926020732.01ef9990@pilot.msu.edu> References: <39D0360B.CE5EEB1@gate.net> <4.2.0.58.20000925150238.00a08650@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: They never were in stock. IBM's ShopIBM web site indicated they were in stock, but obviously that wasn't true. I called two different reps to inquire about availability. Once said they did not have stock at all yet and the web site was in err. The second said they were taking pre-orders and did not know when stock was arriving. At 02:08 AM 9/26/00 -0400, STeve Andre' wrote: >The A21p is out of stock? When was it ever IN stock? I mean, was it >officially >sold for a few days and now they're supply is exhusted? I am confused. > >--STeve Andre' > >At 01:37 AM 9/26/00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >>The A21p is out of stock at IBM.. >>there are a few A20p's still available.. >>but the info i have is that both the A20p and A21p will be highly >>constrained for >>at least a month, if not longer.. >> >> >>Mark Bell wrote: >> >> > It seems IBM has these listed on their web site and marked as, "in stock." >> > For $800.00 more, you get: >> > >> > P3-850 >> > 15" 1600 x 1200 >> > 32gig HD >> > >> > The P3-850 isn't listed as, "with SpeedStep Technology," but it's there. >> > >> > If anyone is interested in dealing with IBM ShopDirect, the link is: >> > >> > >> http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=204916 >> > 7&cntrfnbr=1&cgmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US >> > >> > It seems if you get in EARLY enough with ShopIBM, you can get one, but if >> > they put you in the >> > que, expect to wait MONTHS. This would be a good idea if someone wanted to >> > try and hurry >> > up and get one because most of not all of the A20p's are out of stock at >> > IBM and elsewhere. >> > PC Zones has some 2629-6AUs (P3-750, 15" 1400x1050, 20gig) for $3599.00 >> > along with >> > ecost.com and euclid.com. >> > >> > I had a chance to look at a Inspiron 5000e with a 15" 1600x1200 Sunday. I >> > was right >> > in my assumption and I have reached my screen limits with the 1400 x 1050. >> > 1600x1200 >> > was simply TOO small for my eyes for comfort. Yes, I could see it, but >> not at a >> > comfortable, easy range. I couldn't see working on that screen for hours >> > even with font >> > size increased. >> >>-- >>--- >> >>Happy trails... >> >>** Bill Morrow ** :-) >>WEB page http://thinkpads.com >>e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net >>open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? >>sic transit gloria From cph Tue Sep 26 07:22:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA18941 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:22:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05726; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:16:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:14:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05500; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05469; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.161 -> gtei2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:14:43 -0400 Received: from emendels (adsl-141-155-113-15.bellatlantic.net [141.155.113.15]) by gtei2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA24457 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005b01c027aa$f7ae6920$080aa8c6@zd.com> From: "Edward Mendelson" To: Subject: Who makes the X20? IBM or Acer or...? Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:14:39 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Does anyone know whether IBM or a third-party makes the new X20 models? And has anyone had any experience with the keyboard? IBM makes a point of claiming that it conforms to various standards, and that the keys have some specified amount of travel, but it would be nice to know if this translates into real ergonomics. Thanks for any info... Edward Mendelson Contributing Editor PC Magazine From cph Tue Sep 26 07:23:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA18946 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:23:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05711; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:16:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:14:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05448; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:14:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05362; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:13:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:13:53 -0400 Received: from emendels (adsl-141-155-113-15.bellatlantic.net [141.155.113.15]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id HAA16779 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:00:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003301c027a9$04428b00$080aa8c6@zd.com> From: "Edward Mendelson" To: References: <200009260123.VAA02764@sphmgaaf.compuserve.com> Subject: Re: [TP701] Where to find new keyboard? Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:00:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Jeffrey, Bluestarusa's web site says they've got a batch of 701 keyboards, but unfortunately the company now sells only to corporate/reseller buyers, not to individuals! Edward ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: ; "Edward Mendelson" Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [TP701] Where to find new keyboard? > > On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 19:02:30 -0400, Edward Mendelson wrote: > > >This is probably a question with no answer, but I wonder if anyone > knows a > >source for a ThinkPad 701 keyboard in very good condition? > > > www.bluestarusa.com is worth a try > From cph Tue Sep 26 07:38:51 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA18996 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:38:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07396; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:32:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:29:36 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06861; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06814; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:29:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.157 -> smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:29:05 -0400 Received: from Mark (client-151-204-210-3.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.3]) by smtp-out2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA14198 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000926065718.027bf3d0@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:27:25 -0400 To: "ThinkPad Mailing List (E-mail)" From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: New A21p's In-Reply-To: <39D0360B.CE5EEB1@gate.net> References: <4.2.0.58.20000925150238.00a08650@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: It seems the A21p's are grossly out of stock and the two sales reps I talked to did not know when they were even getting their initial allotment! :) As for A20p's, the only model you can get your hands on readily right now is the 26296AU (P3-740, 15" 1400x1050, 20gig) for $3599.00 from 3 different shops but who knows how long they will last? My preferred shop, Computers4Sure, is sold out of all A20p models. They had the 26296AU's for $3479.00! Anyone looking to make their dream unit, can easily purchase the combo nic/modem for <$200.00 from multiple dealers and install it themselves. I've configured multiple A20p's this way and slapped W2k on them and delivered them to clients if they wanted W2k. All the units are the same specs (2629-XXX) in the P3-750 range. The only difference is whether they have Win2k or Win98 and whether they have the modem or combo card. The resources are there to create the unit you want. Before Computers4Sure ran out, I bought ~13 A20p's from them for $3479.00 + $182.00 for the 3Com Combo card which created effective 26296UU's for $3661.00 (which go for $3699.00 w/ ShopIBM) PCMall @ $3597.00 (6 units in stock) http://www.cc-inc.com/pcmall/shop/detail.asp?DPNo=950076 ELinux @ $3597.00 (12 units in stock) http://www.elinux.com/cgi-bin/mgrqcgi?APPNAME=Catalog&PRGNAME=prodsummary&AR GUMENTS=-A785889,-A94 Ecost @ $3599.00 (Units in stock unknown but in stock ) http://www.ecost.com/home.asp?bounce=%2Fsales%2Fdetail%2Easp%3FDPNo%3D950076 PCZones @ $3599.98 ( " ") http://www.zones.com/cgi-bin/zones.exe/zones/scripts/product/product.jsp?pro ductID=221320&zone=PC Onvia @ $3599.98 ( " " ) http://www.onvia.com/CnetShopper/Products/index.cfm?Task=ViewProduct&IDCatal og=2540345 Wipe Win98SE if you so desire and slap Win2k on there and you got your machine of choice. :) Mark Bell * Computer Consultant (VBA/VC/VB/Oracle Cert.) ElectroSoft_Consulting->bytehead at bellatlantic dot net (Primary) Drexel_University->Mark dot Bell at drexel dot edu (Secondary) From cph Tue Sep 26 07:45:49 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA19031 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:45:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08250; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:38:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08041; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08023; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:38:26 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.152]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000926113724.RAFW2687.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:37:24 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000926073343.00946430@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:33:43 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Who makes the X20? IBM or Acer or...? In-Reply-To: <005b01c027aa$f7ae6920$080aa8c6@zd.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 07:14 AM 09/26/2000 -0400, Edward Mendelson wrote: >Does anyone know whether IBM or a third-party makes the new X20 models? > IBM makes all of the A/T/X models. >And has anyone had any experience with the keyboard? IBM makes a point of >claiming that it conforms to various standards, and that the keys have some >specified amount of travel, but it would be nice to know if this translates >into real ergonomics. > It's just like the other TP keyboards. From cph Tue Sep 26 09:24:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA19662 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:24:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA15246; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:04:57 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA14588; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA13911; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:56:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.161 -> gtei2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:56:52 -0400 Received: from emendels (adsl-141-155-113-15.bellatlantic.net [141.155.113.15]) by gtei2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA01341 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:56:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000701c027b9$297c0300$080aa8c6@zd.com> From: "Edward Mendelson" To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <3.0.1.32.20000926073343.00946430@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: Who makes the X20? IBM or Acer or...? Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:56:14 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > It's just like the other TP keyboards. <> Thanks for the information, Jane, but I'm sorry to hear it. To me, at least, the T/A keyboards seem a lot more mushy and uncomfortable than the ones on the 600. Maybe the next generation will be different. Edward Mendelson Contributing Editor PC Magazine From cph Tue Sep 26 10:36:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA20217 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:36:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22821; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:17:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21548; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:17:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21437; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:16:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (216.33.237.197 -> f197.law7.hotmail.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:16:50 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:16:13 -0700 Received: from 208.19.133.130 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:16:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [208.19.133.130] From: "Ramon Guerrero" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Cc: girthlin@hotmail.com Subject: Re: Laptops in Hot Cars (Was: A20 vs T series) Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:16:12 GMT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Sep 2000 14:16:13.0067 (UTC) FILETIME=[5347EDB0:01C027C4] List-Unsubscribe: >IMHO the TP's should be able to withstand the temperature extremes that any >portable device may incur. My 600X user guide specifies a non-operating temperature environment of 41 to 109 degress Fahrenheit. The interior of a car gets much hotter than this. Some areas of the US get hotter than this! IBM does not have to repair the damage, although they might. It just requires the right amount of "people engineering." >I have left portable radios (which are < $100 not 4k) in cars and there was >no damage. Not a fair comparison. The mean-time-before-failure (MTBF) of any system decreases (i.e. it will fail sooner than later) as the number of components increases. >As for the rugged laptops designed for 'extreme' use..that's a >whole different intent. >They are built to withstand severe abuse .i.e. such as those That is correct. They are designed to withstand certain levels of vibration, shock, moisture, condensation, etc. I'm not sure if laptops like the Toughbooks are designed for temperature extremes. I do know that designing a laptop that could reliably withstand the interior of a hot car would require the use of industrial-level components. If you think ThinkPads are pricey, the price of a ThinkPad designed to that level would be nasty. -- Ramon Guerrero Principal Engineer Tactical Communications Engineering BAE SYSTEMS _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. From cph Tue Sep 26 10:40:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA20237 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:40:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22825; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:29:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:20:48 -0400 Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21903; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from astro.cs.utk.edu (128.169.93.168 -> ASTRO.CS.UTK.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:20:42 -0400 Received: (from moore@localhost) by astro.cs.utk.edu (cf 8.9.3) id KAA14251 for dist-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:20:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9501.mail.yahoo.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA07474; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web9501.mail.yahoo.com (216.136.129.131 -> web9501.mail.yahoo.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:34:12 -0400 Message-ID: <20000926113255.63101.qmail@web9501.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [199.104.230.183] by web9501.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 04:32:55 PDT Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 04:32:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Steve C." Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Battery WANTED! To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Not in any modern battery packs that use rectangular cells. Last time I checked R/S they only had the traditional cylindrical shaped ones. --- John Small wrote: > On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:32:01 -0500, Shawn Lin > wrote: > > >I just need a dead or dying battery > > I understand you can tear the dead battery down and > replace with off the shelf > NiMH batteries from Radio Shack. However I have not > attempted this. > > ===== Speedchoice, hell they should call it Slowchoice!Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! My old phone modem was faster! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ From cph Tue Sep 26 11:05:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA20433 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:05:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25254; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:49:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:45:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24744; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24524; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:44:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:44:49 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id KAA17682; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:44:22 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id KAA12110; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:44:21 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000926074254.02b1df10@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 07:43:39 -0700 To: "Ramon Guerrero" , TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: Re: Laptops in Hot Cars (Was: A20 vs T series) In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Finally the voice of reason. Thanks for chiming in Ramon. At 02:16 PM 9/26/2000 +0000, you wrote: >>IMHO the TP's should be able to withstand the temperature extremes that >>any portable device may incur. > >My 600X user guide specifies a non-operating temperature >environment of 41 to 109 degress Fahrenheit. The interior >of a car gets much hotter than this. Some areas of the US >get hotter than this! > >IBM does not have to repair the damage, although they might. >It just requires the right amount of "people engineering." > >>I have left portable radios (which are < $100 not 4k) in cars and there >>was no damage. > >Not a fair comparison. The mean-time-before-failure (MTBF) of any >system decreases (i.e. it will fail sooner than later) as the >number of components increases. From cph Tue Sep 26 12:38:32 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA26095 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:38:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08423; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:28:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08011; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:28:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07997; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:28:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from laxmls02.socal.rr.com (24.30.163.11 -> laxmls02.socal.rr.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 12:28:33 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.4] (sc-24-24-233-88.socal.rr.com [24.24.233.88]) by laxmls02.socal.rr.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8QGRSf04201 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 09:27:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: mikeford@pop-server.socal.rr.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <20000926113255.63101.qmail@web9501.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 08:35:12 -0800 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mike Ford Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Battery WANTED! List-Unsubscribe: At 4:32 AM -0700 9/26/00, Steve C. wrote: >Not in any modern battery packs that use rectangular >cells. Last time I checked R/S they only had the >traditional cylindrical shaped ones. Rebuilding battery packs really kind of requires one of those special tools that weld the tabs linking the batteries together. From cph Tue Sep 26 13:25:07 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA26542 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:25:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14446; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:18:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14123; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:18:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot15.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14110; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot15.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.35 -> pilot15.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:18:10 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm452-43.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.149]) by pilot15.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8QHI7U43936 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:18:07 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000926131559.01fa6980@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:17:44 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: Re: TP560 Dead Battery WANTED! In-Reply-To: References: <20000926113255.63101.qmail@web9501.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Actually, most of those tabs you can solder yourself. I've had to spot weld battery tabs only once. The bigger problem is getting the right batteries themselves. -STeve Andre' At 08:35 AM 9/26/00 -0800, Mike Ford wrote: >At 4:32 AM -0700 9/26/00, Steve C. wrote: > >Not in any modern battery packs that use rectangular > >cells. Last time I checked R/S they only had the > >traditional cylindrical shaped ones. > >Rebuilding battery packs really kind of requires one of those special tools >that weld the tabs linking the batteries together. From cph Tue Sep 26 13:41:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA26786 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:41:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17188; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:40:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:37:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16857; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16833; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:37:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:37:55 -0400 Received: from 216-164-139-187.s441.tnt5.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.139.187]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13dyft-0005Nt-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:37:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:38:43 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <2746228900.20000926133843@erols.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: New 560 battery (Was: TP560 Dead Battery WANTED)! In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have a lightly-used 560 battery for sale on eBay that WILL hold at least a 2 hour charge. http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=448827760 -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Tue Sep 26 13:52:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA26881 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:52:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18804; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:47:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18450; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:47:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from is1.royl.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18437; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:47:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from is1.royl.com (216.250.91.131 -> D8FA5B83.ptr.dia.nextlink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:47:02 -0400 Received: from hebron [216.250.91.193] by is1.royl.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id AFFA17900D6; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:42:18 -0700 From: "Stephen Hosmer" To: "STeve Andre'" Cc: "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: New A21p's Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:42:18 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20000926131942.01f9fd80@pilot.msu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: It isn't a matter of delaying the announcement, it is a matter of intentionally announcing something that is not yet fully ready, in order to get a jump on the competition. Look at what IBM is doing now with the A21p. They show it as in-stock, but when you call they inform you that it is not available, but you can preorder. Anyone that preorders the A21p is not going to go out and buy a notebook from a competitor, thereby securing IBM's edge. If they waited until they had stock to announce the product they could potentially loose thousands of orders from customers that purchased machines during the last months of the development of the machines. They are advancing their product cycle by 3-6 months this way. _________________________________ Royale Energy Inc. (NASDAQ: ROYL) Stephen M. Hosmer (mailto:hosmer@royl.com) Chief Financial Officer -----Original Message----- From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 10:24 AM To: Stephen Hosmer Subject: RE: New A21p's Who still plans announcements any more? With all the companies struggling to compete for market share, no one does--as soon as something is ready its pushed out the door. I can remember a time when things moved at a slower pace... From cph Tue Sep 26 13:52:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA26886 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:52:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18960; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:49:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:48:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18564; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from is1.royl.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18531; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:47:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from is1.royl.com (216.250.91.131 -> D8FA5B83.ptr.dia.nextlink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 13:47:49 -0400 Received: from hebron [216.250.91.193] by is1.royl.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A03118000D6; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:43:13 -0700 From: "Stephen Hosmer" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: New A21p's Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 10:43:13 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20000926020732.01ef9990@pilot.msu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: There never was any "In-stock" supply. This is typical IBM to show a new product as "available" when what they really mean is "available (in several months, when we finish designing it)." Someone told me that the were charged with anti-trust 30+ years ago, for announcing a new product in advance of their competition, when in fact they showed reporters a cardboard box painted to look like their new mainframe. _________________________________ Royale Energy Inc. (NASDAQ: ROYL) Stephen M. Hosmer (mailto:hosmer@royl.com) Chief Financial Officer -----Original Message----- From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] Sent: Monday, September 25, 2000 11:09 PM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New A21p's The A21p is out of stock? When was it ever IN stock? I mean, was it officially sold for a few days and now they're supply is exhusted? I am confused. --STeve Andre' At 01:37 AM 9/26/00 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >The A21p is out of stock at IBM.. >there are a few A20p's still available.. >but the info i have is that both the A20p and A21p will be highly >constrained for >at least a month, if not longer.. > > >Mark Bell wrote: > > > It seems IBM has these listed on their web site and marked as, "in stock." > > For $800.00 more, you get: > > > > P3-850 > > 15" 1600 x 1200 > > 32gig HD > > > > The P3-850 isn't listed as, "with SpeedStep Technology," but it's there. > > > > If anyone is interested in dealing with IBM ShopDirect, the link is: > > > > > http://commerce.www.ibm.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce/CategoryDisplay?cgrfnbr=204916 > > 7&cntrfnbr=1&cgmenbr=1&cntry=840&lang=en_US > > > > It seems if you get in EARLY enough with ShopIBM, you can get one, but if > > they put you in the > > que, expect to wait MONTHS. This would be a good idea if someone wanted to > > try and hurry > > up and get one because most of not all of the A20p's are out of stock at > > IBM and elsewhere. > > PC Zones has some 2629-6AUs (P3-750, 15" 1400x1050, 20gig) for $3599.00 > > along with > > ecost.com and euclid.com. > > > > I had a chance to look at a Inspiron 5000e with a 15" 1600x1200 Sunday. I > > was right > > in my assumption and I have reached my screen limits with the 1400 x 1050. > > 1600x1200 > > was simply TOO small for my eyes for comfort. Yes, I could see it, but > not at a > > comfortable, easy range. I couldn't see working on that screen for hours > > even with font > > size increased. > >-- >--- > >Happy trails... > >** Bill Morrow ** :-) >WEB page http://thinkpads.com >e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net >open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? >sic transit gloria From cph Tue Sep 26 14:17:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA27201 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:17:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22579; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:11:30 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22394; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot05.cl.msu.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA22379; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pilot05.cl.msu.edu (35.9.5.25 -> pilot05.cl.msu.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:11:26 -0400 Received: from andrel.msu.edu (pm452-43.dialip.mich.net [198.110.20.149]) by pilot05.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id e8QIBNg38884 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:11:23 -0400 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.0.20000926135956.01f9fc30@pilot.msu.edu> X-Sender: andres@pilot.msu.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:10:44 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "STeve Andre'" Subject: RE: New A21p's In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000926131942.01f9fd80@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: I understand what you're saying, but isn't it equally the case that they might have made the announcement of this unit, only to find out that they had a glitch in their production, owing to some of the very highest tech components, such that an unexpected exhaustion of one of them caused this delay? In this day and age of fast moving chaotic supply systems, I'm not really sure it makes a lot of sense to blame a company like IBM and say they're doing this deliberately. I think that sheer size and the incompetence that arises thereof is at least as likely, not to mention real supply problems. I also question the idea of people "locked" into buying stuff from IBM because of ordering early and thereby not looking at other suppliers. Aside from a small number of us on the list and such, how many people have any loyalty to any brand name, any more? Looking at comments on comp.sys.laptops, I'd say very few. If someone signs up for a delayed A21 and notices that Dell has some new goodie that competes with IBM, IBM is going to lose out on the sale in some large number of customers. You are right that IBM pulled some amazing stunts in the past with their big iron machines. The cardboard box you mentioned does seem in keeping with an IBM of an earlier age. But that age is not now, and the market is fantastically fragmented now. I don't think IBM is *intentionally* trying anything like what you say. They've changed an awful lot since the grand days of past, and what flew then more often than not doesn't, today. I'm not happy with the delays either. I have a user who could use the A21 now, and it does seem like I get to tell him to wait for some substantial part of the year, now. --STeve Andre At 10:42 AM 9/26/00 -0700, Stephen Hosmer wrote: >It isn't a matter of delaying the announcement, it is a matter of >intentionally announcing something that is not yet fully ready, in order to >get a jump on the competition. Look at what IBM is doing now with the A21p. >They show it as in-stock, but when you call they inform you that it is not >available, but you can preorder. Anyone that preorders the A21p is not >going to go out and buy a notebook from a competitor, thereby securing IBM's >edge. If they waited until they had stock to announce the product they >could potentially loose thousands of orders from customers that purchased >machines during the last months of the development of the machines. They >are advancing their product cycle by 3-6 months this way. > >_________________________________ >Royale Energy Inc. (NASDAQ: ROYL) >Stephen M. Hosmer (mailto:hosmer@royl.com) >Chief Financial Officer > >-----Original Message----- >From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] >Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 10:24 AM >To: Stephen Hosmer >Subject: RE: New A21p's > >Who still plans announcements any more? With all the companies struggling >to compete for market share, no one does--as soon as something is ready >its pushed out the door. I can remember a time when things moved at a >slower >pace... From cph Tue Sep 26 14:29:10 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA27343 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:29:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA24003; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:21:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:19:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23587; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23538; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:19:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:19:16 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a12.pm3-22.theriver.com [208.164.96.172]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6BA52601B; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:17:31 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39D0E843.CB9A06CA@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:17:39 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Stephen Hosmer Cc: Thinkpad Subject: Re: New A21p's References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: This is an old gimmick... When the first dot matrix printer was shown (at Comdex, I think) in the very early 80's... it was nothing but a carved wood box shaped as they thought the printer would appear, knobs and platen added. The inventors/ designers used that wood model to get enough orders to go into production... Delivery was something like 11 months... remember how awful and slow those first units were ... over an hour to print a graphics page? And everybody was ready to kill to get one not knowing whether they would work at all. From cph Tue Sep 26 14:37:11 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA27455 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:37:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25915; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:32:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:30:00 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25364; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:30:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25351; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:29:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 14:29:58 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a12.pm3-22.theriver.com [208.164.96.172]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5C12617C; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:27:48 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39D0EAAC.1E8F4B7@theriver.com> Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:27:56 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: New A21p's References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000926131942.01f9fd80@pilot.msu.edu> <5.0.0.25.0.20000926135956.01f9fc30@pilot.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Well, their pattern is pretty consistent... going back to the 770, some of the 600's, the A-20, the T-20, the new x series and now the 21's... They are big enough and so well managed that this shouldn't happen by accident more than once.. Ra From cph Tue Sep 26 18:30:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA30558 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:30:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17474; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:21:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17040; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from is1.royl.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17021; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from is1.royl.com (216.250.91.131 -> D8FA5B83.ptr.dia.nextlink.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:21:09 -0400 Received: from hebron [216.250.91.193] by is1.royl.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.00) id A0401C200CC; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:16:32 -0700 From: "Stephen Hosmer" To: "Thinkpad" Subject: RE: New A21p's Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 15:16:32 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.0.20000926135956.01f9fc30@pilot.msu.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 List-Unsubscribe: Don't get me wrong, I love the IBM thinkpads. I have been buying thinkpads exclusively for the last 6 years. The argument I would make against an accidental supply glitch, is that EVERY flagship thinkpad announced over that time has been unavailable for the first 8+ weeks. If it is accidental, then IBM is dull witted in it's inability to learn from experience. _________________________________ Royale Energy Inc. (NASDAQ: ROYL) Stephen M. Hosmer (mailto:hosmer@royl.com) Chief Financial Officer -----Original Message----- From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 11:11 AM To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: New A21p's I understand what you're saying, but isn't it equally the case that they might have made the announcement of this unit, only to find out that they had a glitch in their production, owing to some of the very highest tech components, such that an unexpected exhaustion of one of them caused this delay? In this day and age of fast moving chaotic supply systems, I'm not really sure it makes a lot of sense to blame a company like IBM and say they're doing this deliberately. I think that sheer size and the incompetence that arises thereof is at least as likely, not to mention real supply problems. I also question the idea of people "locked" into buying stuff from IBM because of ordering early and thereby not looking at other suppliers. Aside from a small number of us on the list and such, how many people have any loyalty to any brand name, any more? Looking at comments on comp.sys.laptops, I'd say very few. If someone signs up for a delayed A21 and notices that Dell has some new goodie that competes with IBM, IBM is going to lose out on the sale in some large number of customers. You are right that IBM pulled some amazing stunts in the past with their big iron machines. The cardboard box you mentioned does seem in keeping with an IBM of an earlier age. But that age is not now, and the market is fantastically fragmented now. I don't think IBM is *intentionally* trying anything like what you say. They've changed an awful lot since the grand days of past, and what flew then more often than not doesn't, today. I'm not happy with the delays either. I have a user who could use the A21 now, and it does seem like I get to tell him to wait for some substantial part of the year, now. --STeve Andre At 10:42 AM 9/26/00 -0700, Stephen Hosmer wrote: >It isn't a matter of delaying the announcement, it is a matter of >intentionally announcing something that is not yet fully ready, in order to >get a jump on the competition. Look at what IBM is doing now with the A21p. >They show it as in-stock, but when you call they inform you that it is not >available, but you can preorder. Anyone that preorders the A21p is not >going to go out and buy a notebook from a competitor, thereby securing IBM's >edge. If they waited until they had stock to announce the product they >could potentially loose thousands of orders from customers that purchased >machines during the last months of the development of the machines. They >are advancing their product cycle by 3-6 months this way. > >_________________________________ >Royale Energy Inc. (NASDAQ: ROYL) >Stephen M. Hosmer (mailto:hosmer@royl.com) >Chief Financial Officer > >-----Original Message----- >From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu] >Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 10:24 AM >To: Stephen Hosmer >Subject: RE: New A21p's > >Who still plans announcements any more? With all the companies struggling >to compete for market share, no one does--as soon as something is ready >its pushed out the door. I can remember a time when things moved at a >slower >pace... From cph Tue Sep 26 19:54:37 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA31304 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:54:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25869; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:54:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:50:43 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25352; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:50:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA25271; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:50:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:50:36 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id TAA26242; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:50:34 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id TAA19287; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000926164905.02b2ea68@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 16:49:42 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: New A21p's In-Reply-To: References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000926135956.01f9fc30@pilot.msu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 03:16 PM 9/26/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Don't get me wrong, I love the IBM thinkpads. I have been buying thinkpads >exclusively for the last 6 years. >The argument I would make against an accidental supply glitch, is that EVERY >flagship thinkpad announced over that time has been unavailable for the >first 8+ weeks. If it is accidental, then IBM is dull witted in it's >inability to learn from experience. I would tend to agree, but the T20 was available right out of the gate. From cph Tue Sep 26 20:31:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA31661 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:31:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28380; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:27:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28132; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:27:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.sivco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28111; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:27:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.sivco.com (209.91.123.78 -> h-209-91-123-78.gen.cadvision.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 20:27:38 -0400 Subject: Re: IR Synching a Palm Vx To a TP600X To: Rob Bell Cc: byellin@sover.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 March 21, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 18:27:28 -0600 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on tigger/Sivco(Release 5.0.1a|August 17, 1999) at 09/26/2000 06:29:01 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Maybe it is not on the web site, but I tried the IR Sync since the upgrade, and Palm VIIx is no longer froze, and I receive a MS IR interface with a few files in it and offers me to download it. (I cancelled it) looks like it is a kind of IR file manager. Geza I'm using 770x, W2K Fixpack 1 Rob Bell , byellin@sover.net ape.net> cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IR Synching a Palm Vx To a TP600X 09/25/2000 07:00 AM wrote: > > Go to palm.com and they have fixes (3.5.2 OS and HotSync Manager ) Nothing on Palm's site states that PalmOS 3.5.2 or the latest version of HotSync Manager is a solution for Windows 2000 IR HotSync problems. Can you point me to the web page that mentions this? I'd love to find a solution for this problem, but I don't think it exists yet. A little background on the IR problem for the original poster: The problem is that Palm's HotSync Manager doesn't know how to communicate with the new abstracted IR COM port setup that Windows 2000 uses. The problem is not due to Windows 2000 or the PalmOS versions, as they do in fact communicate via IR just fine (you can send files back and forth via IR right now). It's just that HotSync is not 'up-to-date' yet. I have received an e-mail from Palm Tech Support stating that they intend to post a fix/patch/beta/something in the near future to address this issue. That's the most commitment I've seen from them since this issue has been around. Thanks for any info! Rob > Bob Yellin > r.net> cc: > Subject: IR Synching a Palm Vx To a TP600X > 09/25/2000 > 02:34 AM > Please > respond to > byellin > > > > > > Hi Folks, > I've been trying to download Outlook data from my TP600X running Win2000 > into a Palm Vx using the Infrared capability but the Palm V is crashing, > requiring a reset each time. Has anyone succeeded in doing this and if so > could you provide a step-by-step and/or info on both the TP and the PAlm > HotSynch Manager config settings? > > Much obliged in advance, > > Bob Yellin > byellin@sover.net > > > ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Tue Sep 26 22:44:40 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA00377 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:44:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10839; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:43:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:40:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10303; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:40:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taxismtp2.alchemyfx.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA10230; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:39:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from taxismtp2.alchemyfx.com (209.132.220.152 -> taxismtp2.alchemy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:39:41 -0400 Received: from 770z (slip166-72-82-215.ca.us.prserv.net [166.72.82.215]) by taxismtp2.alchemyfx.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01016 for ; Tue, 26 Sep 2000 19:20:08 -0700 Message-ID: <001801c0282c$2e989ec0$d75248a6@770z> From: "Richard Chalk" To: "TP List" References: <5.0.0.25.0.20000926135956.01f9fc30@pilot.msu.edu> <4.2.0.58.20000926164905.02b2ea68@pop3.iceka.com> Subject: Another WindowsME/770z problem! Date: Tue, 26 Sep 2000 22:39:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: After updating all drivers, the WindowsME installation works almost perfectly. The remaining problem is that when going into Suspend, I get the message "the computer cannot go into standby because the printer port LPT1 cannot enter low-power state". Anyone have any ideas on this? TIA Richard From cph Wed Sep 27 08:59:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id IAA02837 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:59:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19308; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:58:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:55:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19071; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19058; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:55:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (207.172.4.61 -> smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:55:54 -0400 Received: from 216-164-137-197.s451.tnt4.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com ([216.164.137.197]) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.15 #2) id 13eGka-00047L-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:55:53 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 08:56:42 -0400 From: Donald MacQueen X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45) Personal Reply-To: Donald MacQueen X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <6258933094.20000927085642@erols.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: new mouse drivers? In-reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I went to the IBM website and downloaded the latest mouse drivers for my 600 and installed them. Alas, there is no "snap to" feature in these drivers. Does anyone know of any 600 compatible drivers that have this (all important) feature in them? Thanks. -- Donald Donald M. MacQueen Registered Smalltalk Bigot, [Esq.] From cph Wed Sep 27 09:03:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA02862 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:03:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19971; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:00:34 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19777; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:00:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0e.netaddress.usa.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19760; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:00:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www0e.netaddress.usa.net (204.68.24.34 -> www0e.netaddress.usa.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 09:00:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 14435 invoked by uid 60001); 27 Sep 2000 13:00:30 -0000 Message-ID: <20000927130030.14434.qmail@www0e.netaddress.usa.net> Received: from 204.68.24.34 by www0e for [156.99.90.178] via web-mailer(34WB1.4.03) on Wed Sep 27 13:00:30 GMT 2000 Date: 27 Sep 00 08:00:30 CDT From: Rob Bell To: Subject: Re: IR Synching a Palm Vx To a TP600X CC: byellin@sover.net, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-Mailer: USANET web-mailer (34WB1.4.03) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id JAA02867 Palm has finally released an update to the Palm Desktop/HotSync Manager that allows IR hot sync under Windows 2000 (only about 8 months after it should have appeared). You can find the update at: http://www.palm.com/support/downloads/palmdt_update.html. I just installed it on my ThinkPad 600X and it seems to work wonderfully. Rob ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://home.netscape.com/webmail From cph Wed Sep 27 14:14:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA13381 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:14:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27800; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:09:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:04:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26755; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:04:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26742; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.161 -> gtei2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:04:16 -0400 Received: from emendels (adsl-141-155-113-117.bellatlantic.net [141.155.113.117]) by gtei2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA12317 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:04:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000901c028ad$5d122f60$080aa8c6@zd.com> From: "Edward Mendelson" To: Subject: [TP all] How to clean TrackPoint III button? Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:04:16 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I've got a keyboard with a TrackPoint III in which the left mouse button needs to be pressed about twice as hard as the right button before it responds. I suspect there's a problem with dirt under the button, and I wonder if anyone has any suggestion for cleaning it safely?? Many thanks... Edward Mendelson Contributing Editor PC Magazine From cph Wed Sep 27 14:14:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA13385 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:14:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27780; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:09:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:04:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26840; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26826; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from darius.concentric.net (207.155.198.79 -> darius.concentric.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:04:51 -0400 Received: from mcfeely.concentric.net (mcfeely.concentric.net [207.155.198.83]) by darius.concentric.net (8.9.1a/(98/12/15 5.12)) id OAA25107; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:04:49 -0400 (EDT) [1-800-745-2747 The Concentric Network] Received: from rjwt20 (w067.z208037041.lax-ca.dsl.cnc.net [208.37.41.67]) by mcfeely.concentric.net (8.9.1a) id OAA01502; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 14:04:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000927110258.02ba79b8@pop3.iceka.com> X-Sender: rwhittle%iceka.com/pop3.iceka.com@pop3.iceka.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 11:03:59 -0700 To: TP List From: Randal Whittle Subject: RE: New A21p's In-Reply-To: References: <4.2.0.58.20000926164905.02b2ea68@pop3.iceka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 10:04 AM 9/27/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Notice that I said 'Flagship" thinkpad. Whenever they push the envelope they >announce it early. When they are simply following the available standards, >there is no point in advancing the availability. The T's are as much a flagship as the A's--hell, they're 1/2 the weight and nearly all the same functionality. From cph Wed Sep 27 15:50:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA14490 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:50:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09965; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:45:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:41:55 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09388; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:41:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA09191; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:41:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:41:46 -0400 Received: from Mark (client-151-204-210-38.delval.dialup.bellatlantic.net [151.204.210.38]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA03251 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.2.0.58.20000927152922.00a0d220@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net> X-Sender: bytehead@postoffice2.bellatlantic.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:41:18 -0400 To: TP List From: Mark Bell Subject: RE: New A21p's In-Reply-To: <4.2.0.58.20000927110258.02ba79b8@pop3.iceka.com> References: <4.2.0.58.20000926164905.02b2ea68@pop3.iceka.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 11:03 AM 9/27/00 -0700, Randal Whittle wrote: >At 10:04 AM 9/27/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>Notice that I said 'Flagship" thinkpad. Whenever they push the envelope they >>announce it early. When they are simply following the available standards, >>there is no point in advancing the availability. > > The T's are as much a flagship as the A's--hell, they're 1/2 the > weight and nearly all the same functionality. From: Mark (The big kludge lover) To: Randal (The streamlined portable lover) :) A20p's have the top of the line 16meg 3D (new T series use the 8meg Savage, BARF) and ultra resolution screens (A20p tops out at 1600x1200 on 15" and the T series 1400x1050 on 14.1") and the T series (like the 600 vs. 770 series) is a step behind sacrificing bleeding edge technology for portability. I consider it a fair trade off. :) "Nearly all the same functionality," means it is lacking even if on a small scale. Mark From cph Wed Sep 27 16:38:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA14894 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:38:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15873; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:32:50 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15517; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:32:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15501; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:32:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (132.187.1.7 -> wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:32:38 -0400 Received: from stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (wrzn12.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de [132.187.2.12]) by wrzx07.rz.uni-wuerzburg.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/uniwue-MM-1.02) with ESMTP id WAA32162 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:32:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from WRZN12/SpoolDir by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.48); 27 Sep 00 22:32:35 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by WRZN12 (Mercury 1.48); 27 Sep 00 22:32:10 +0200 Received: from mail.stelarcom.de (132.187.248.126) by stud-mail.uni-wuerzburg.de (Mercury 1.48); 27 Sep 00 22:31:58 +0200 Received: from babylon5 (babylon5.stelarcom.de [192.168.0.2] ) by mail.stelarcom.de (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:53:11 -0100 Message-Id: <200009272153.1132864.6@mail.stelarcom.de> From: "Alexander Wagner" To: "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:53:06 +0200 (MST) Reply-To: "Alexander Wagner" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.00 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: External keyboard / mouse List-Unsubscribe: Hi! Maybe someone could explain the following? Consider a ThinkPad 760XD. Now I want to attache an external Keyboard. I got the appropriate adaptor cable, and linked the keyboard. This worked. Fine. I added the mouse and the external keyboard was dead. Now I got a 760ED, attached the same, nothing worked. I added a mouse at the ED, and the keyboard was ok. That is the ED found the external keyboard _only_ if I attached the mouse. It doesn't find the external keyboard if I attache only the keyboard. Both behaviours is absolutely reproducable. Any ideas what happens here?? BTW: I added th keyboard to the XD, booted up and attached the mouse. Now the mouse worked, the keyboard was dead again, removing the mouse => Trap, the system is reset. (I use OS/2 of course.) -- CU/2 (( In the beginning was The Word. Alexander Wagner )) And The Word was Content-type: text/plain Team OS/2 Franken (( -=[ Team OS/2 Germany #294 ]=- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or A.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for replies, even if some other addresses may appear. Thanks! --> Get my PGP-key with Subject: Request for PGP-Keys <-- From cph Wed Sep 27 17:51:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA15711 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:51:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24242; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:43:52 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23390; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:43:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.sivco.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23332; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:43:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mail.sivco.com (209.91.123.78 -> h-209-91-123-78.gen.cadvision.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:43:35 -0400 Subject: RE: New A21p's To: Mark Bell Cc: TP List X-Mailer: Lotus Notes Release 5.0.3 March 21, 2000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:43:03 -0600 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on tigger/Sivco(Release 5.0.1a|August 17, 1999) at 09/27/2000 03:44:56 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: >>(A20p tops out at 1600x1200 on 15" and the T series 1400x1050 on 14.1") and the T series (like the 600 vs. 770 series) is a step behind sacrificing bleeding edge technology for portability. I consider it a fair trade off. :) "Nearly all the same functionality," means it is lacking even if on a small scale. I'm going for the more power/expandability and I will cure my soaring back later. Since we develop e-commerce sites and DataWarehouses, I can not get enough powerful laptops. (My preference would be SMP with RAID :) I am seriously thinking to get a Netfinity Rack Mounted server in a big travel case and use my Palm VIIx as the interface. Geza From cph Wed Sep 27 18:05:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA15819 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:05:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26616; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:01:02 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26127; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25986; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:59:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009272159.RAA25986@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.32 -> out2.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 17:59:59 -0400 Received: from slip-32-101-212-102.ma.us.prserv.net ([32.101.212.102]) by prserv.net (out2) with SMTP id <2000092721595022900b1e97e>; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:59:52 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "Alexander Wagner" , "Alexander Wagner" , "ThinkPad Mailinglist" Cc: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Wed, 27 Sep 00 17:59:48 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: External keyboard / mouse List-Unsubscribe: I have an IBM keyboard 13H6705 which I connect to my 760C and 760ELD Thinkpads with an IBM Keyboard/Mouse Connector 54G0441. It works fine, even wonderfully. (I am a touch typist and can go like a rocket on this keyboard but not on the mushy keyboard on the Thinkpad itself.) This keyboard is available for $35. The connector costs $50 but I have the wiring diagram if anyone wants it. Jeffrey Race On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:53:06 +0200 (MST), Alexander Wagner wrote: > >Hi! > >Maybe someone could explain the following? > >Consider a ThinkPad 760XD. Now I want to attache an external >Keyboard. I got the appropriate adaptor cable, and linked >the keyboard. This worked. Fine. I added the mouse and the >external keyboard was dead. > >Now I got a 760ED, attached the same, nothing worked. I >added a mouse at the ED, and the keyboard was ok. That is >the ED found the external keyboard _only_ if I attached the >mouse. It doesn't find the external keyboard if I attache >only the keyboard. > >Both behaviours is absolutely reproducable. Any ideas what >happens here?? > >BTW: I added th keyboard to the XD, booted up and attached >the mouse. Now the mouse worked, the keyboard was dead >again, removing the mouse => Trap, the system is reset. >(I use OS/2 of course.) > > > >-- > >CU/2 (( In the beginning was The Word. >Alexander Wagner )) And The Word was Content-type: text/plain >Team OS/2 Franken (( -=[ Team OS/2 Germany #294 ]=- >----------------------------------------------------------------- > Please use only A.Wagner@TeamOS2.de or A.Wagner@Bigfoot.de for > replies, even if some other addresses may appear. Thanks! > --> Get my PGP-key with Subject: Request for PGP-Keys <-- > > From cph Wed Sep 27 18:41:52 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA16151 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:41:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00197; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:34:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:31:44 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29775; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:31:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29701; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:31:17 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a10.pm3-15.theriver.com [208.164.96.74]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E5825F6C; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:30:24 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39D27506.4E6DBEE6@theriver.com> Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 15:30:30 -0700 From: Ray Bay X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alexander Wagner Cc: ThinkPad Mailinglist Subject: Re: External keyboard / mouse References: <200009272153.1132864.6@mail.stelarcom.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: The slot on the right side of the 760 series is for use of the official IBM thinkpad keyboard... this keyboard has a place for the mouse... and it has two cords that must be connected to the Thinkpad adapter which is $39.00. I have this stuff and it works beautifully... but I don't know if other keyboards can be made to work... I have seen messages on this list reporting that other keyboards work, but they still need the adapter The adapter you must purchase is $39 from ShopIBM and Insight... Fry's for $9.95 if you live near one. There is a place in Canada that makes and sells the keyboard and the adapter... there are other places... but hard to find... that sell the components cheaply... The IBM system has a trackpoint in the lower middle of the keyboard and a slot to plug in a mouse... The keyboard is a spiffy black color... it is noisier than your average keyboard, but solid and heavy. If you really need them, I will look up the FRU on the keyboard and the adapter when I get home... From cph Wed Sep 27 19:50:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA16702 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:50:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06136; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:43:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:38:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05795; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05774; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.161 -> gtei2.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:38:36 -0400 Received: from emendels (adsl-141-155-112-101.bellatlantic.net [141.155.112.101]) by gtei2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA16043; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:38:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001101c028dc$090c6fa0$080aa8c6@zd.com> From: "Edward Mendelson" To: "Ray Bay" , "ThinkPad Mailinglist" References: <200009272153.1132864.6@mail.stelarcom.de> <39D27506.4E6DBEE6@theriver.com> Subject: Re: External keyboard / mouse Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:38:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Ray, If it isn't too much trouble, I'd be interested in those FRUs, and I imagine others on the list would be too. Thanks...! Edward ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Bay" Subject: Re: External keyboard / mouse > The IBM system has a trackpoint in the lower middle of the keyboard > and a slot to plug in a mouse... The keyboard is a spiffy black > color... it is noisier than your average keyboard, but solid and > heavy. > > If you really need them, I will look up the FRU on the keyboard and > the adapter when I get home... From cph Wed Sep 27 20:57:14 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA17562 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:57:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10598; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:56:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:52:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10278; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:52:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10233; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (206.141.239.142 -> mpdr0.chicago.il.ameritech.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:51:53 -0400 Received: from techshop ([64.108.13.11]) by mailhost.chi.ameritech.net (InterMail v4.01.01.07 201-229-111-110) with SMTP id <20000928005143.JBQW1043.mailhost.chi.ameritech.net@techshop>; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:51:43 -0500 Message-ID: <012901c028e5$9479b580$de9ffea9@techshop> From: "Matt Winston" To: "David Ross" , "THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU" References: <000b01c02675$1a3cdf80$fe62183f@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: Laptop Cases Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:46:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I use the Port Thinkpad (560) portfolio and case you mentioned. Really like the compact size. After using larger (standard) size cases to haul the laptop and files and occasionally a printer, I really appreciate the amount of stuff you can carry in this compact case without being bulky. If you carry a printer though, this case is not for you. Too tight a fit. My power supply, modem dongles, etc. will fit in one of the narrow side pouches, leaving lots of room for documents and miscellaneous must-have-with-you items. When I need to take a printer, I use my larger Targus and slide the TP portfolio into one of the file sleeves. Fits perfectly, and since front and back faces of the case are padded, no loss of protection. I looked at the Galizia model that holds TP, printer, etc. Looks good, but not my cup of tea. My laptop is either on a desk, carseat, or (believe it or not), on my lap. Why bother balancng a case on your knees just to use your TP? The idea is simple portability and ease of use. The Lapdog is too cluttered looking. Lots of straps, foldouts, and if you've got to stand up, where do all those floppy things go? You would need a table to lay it out on, and if you had a table, you wouldn't need a Lapdog. Hope you find one you like. Matt From cph Wed Sep 27 21:49:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA17951 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:49:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15140; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:44:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14687; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:44:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viva.vivacenet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA14429; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from viva.vivacenet.com (208.36.16.5 -> w005.z208036016.sjc-ca.dsl.cnc.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:42:49 -0400 Received: from AMALIS.northweb.com [206.15.135.11] by viva.vivacenet.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.05) id A20A6C0E03D0; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:42:34 -0700 Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000927124802.02bd0990@mail.northweb.com> X-Sender: malis@mail.northweb.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:42:33 -0400 To: RWM From: "Andrew G. Malis" Subject: Re: Wireless Cc: Thinkpad User Group In-Reply-To: <39CBB692.4292F1B3@RWMann.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: Bob, I'm using a Lucent/aka WaveLAN/aka Orinoco 802.11 PC card (11 Megabits) in the TP, talking to an Apple AirPort base station, which is connected via Ethernet to the cable modem. Works great in both a T20 and TP600E. Go to www.wavelan.com for info on the PC card, and www.apple.com for info on the base station. The Apple base station requires an Ethernet-connected Macintosh running MacOS9 in order to set it up and configure it, but it's a one-time operation, so if you don't have a Mac, perhaps you can borrow one from a friend in order to get it going. The base station has Network Address Translation if you want to use it, but I have it turned off and am just using it as a wireless Ethernet bridge. Cheers, Andy ------- At 9/22/2000 03:44 PM -0400, RWM wrote: >What's the choice of TP users, for wireless bridge to DSL/LAN/ethernet? > >- Bob Mann >-- >R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. > Airline Industry Analysis and Consulting >Port Washington, NY 11050 > tel 516-944-0900, fax 516-944-7280 >mailto:info@RWMann.com > URL http://www.RWMann.com/ From cph Wed Sep 27 23:05:48 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA18817 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:05:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21351; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:57:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:53:51 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20970; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:53:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20658; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:52:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net (129.250.36.42 -> dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 22:52:38 -0400 Received: from [129.250.38.61] (helo=dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net) by dfw-smtpout2.email.verio.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #7) id 13eTnv-0000uY-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:52:11 +0000 Received: from [199.1.139.43] (helo=isdn30-43.ftwotx.onramp.net) by dfw-mmp1.email.verio.net with smtp (Exim 3.15 #4) id 13eTnv-0003NE-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:52:11 +0000 From: John Small To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" Subject: Re: Laptop Cases Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:50:25 -0500 Message-ID: References: <000b01c02675$1a3cdf80$fe62183f@math.hawaii.edu> <012901c028e5$9479b580$de9ffea9@techshop> In-Reply-To: <012901c028e5$9479b580$de9ffea9@techshop> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.8/32.548 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id XAA18818 On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:46:45 -0500, "Matt Winston" wrote: >I use the Port Thinkpad (560) portfolio and case you mentioned. Where to find this? Is there a photo of it on the web? Thanks. -jts ThinkPad 560(EOC), 701C From cph Wed Sep 27 23:25:20 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA19026 for ; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:25:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23808; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:22:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:20:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23515; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:20:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23502; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:20:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:20:30 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.184]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000928032000.TOZJ4901.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 03:20:00 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000927231616.01ba9de0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 23:16:16 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Laptop Cases In-Reply-To: References: <012901c028e5$9479b580$de9ffea9@techshop> <000b01c02675$1a3cdf80$fe62183f@math.hawaii.edu> <012901c028e5$9479b580$de9ffea9@techshop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 09:50 PM 09/27/2000 -0500, John Small wrote: >Where to find this? Is there a photo of it on the web? > Used to be here -> http://www.port.com/home_ibm.asp From cph Thu Sep 28 02:17:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id CAA20788 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:17:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02560; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:15:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:11:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02313; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02299; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 02:11:51 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA02059; Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:11:41 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <000f01c02912$f764c360$058d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "John Small" , "ThinkPad Mailing List" References: <000b01c02675$1a3cdf80$fe62183f@math.hawaii.edu> <012901c028e5$9479b580$de9ffea9@techshop> Subject: Re: Laptop Cases Date: Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:11:35 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > >I use the Port Thinkpad (560) portfolio and case you mentioned. > > Where to find this? Is there a photo of it on the web? The Port model number is TP56110; you can search for it at the Port website. Lots of online merchants claim to stock it, but the ones with the best prices (e.g. buy.com for $76) seem to be out of stock. There is someone on ebay who has been trying to sell one for $55 for weeks. - David From cph Thu Sep 28 06:50:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA22905 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:50:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22670; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:46:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22292; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA22279; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.48 -> mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 06:46:51 -0400 Received: from 22.chicago-01-02rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.148.22]) by mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000928104650.BJQC2687.mtiwmhc23.worldnet.att.net@22.chicago-01-02rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:46:50 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: [tp600] Now, about the CD-ROM cases Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:46:45 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39d72050.33974519@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id GAA22906 Now that I've got the DVD-ROM drive and it's up and running, I'm looking for cases for my CD-ROM and LS-120. I don't see IBM offering to see the cases individually and the one that came with my DVD drive doesn't appear to have an FRU on it anywhere. Are these not sold separately? Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Thu Sep 28 07:15:57 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id HAA23122 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:15:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA24182; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:14:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:13:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23976; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:13:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA23963; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls05.mediaone.net (24.147.1.143 -> chmls05.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:13:05 -0400 Received: from JDM-TP600E.mediaone.net (h0040100c9388.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.170.135]) by chmls05.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA10865; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928062130.00b54158@pop.ne.mediaone.net> X-Sender: amalis@pop.ne.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:12:12 -0400 To: "Andrew G. Malis" , RWM From: Jon Malis Subject: Re: Wireless Cc: Thinkpad User Group In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000927124802.02bd0990@mail.northweb.com> References: <39CBB692.4292F1B3@RWMann.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 09:42 PM 9/27/2000 -0400, Andrew G. Malis wrote: >Bob, > >I'm using a Lucent/aka WaveLAN/aka Orinoco 802.11 PC card (11 Megabits) in >the TP, talking to an Apple AirPort base station, which is connected via >Ethernet to the cable modem. Works great in both a T20 and TP600E. Go to >www.wavelan.com for info on the PC card, and www.apple.com for info on the >base station. > >The Apple base station requires an Ethernet-connected Macintosh running >MacOS9 in order to set it up and configure it, but it's a one-time >operation, so if you don't have a Mac, perhaps you can borrow one from a >friend in order to get it going. Actually, you don't need a mac to configure the base station anymore. There's now a java version of the Airport config. tools which is online somewhere (lost my bookmarks last time I reformatted my drive) It supposedly can do everything the MacOS version does, but i haven't used it. If I find the URL, I'll post it, but you probably just do an online search for it. --jon Jon Malis Freelance Network And Computer Consultant For Hire jmalis@mail.com ----- Out The 10-BaseT, Through The Cat. 5, Around The LAN, Into The Router, Forwarded To The Cable Modem, Through The Node, To The Tier-1 Backbone, Nothin' But NET! From cph Thu Sep 28 10:35:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA25416 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:35:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09826; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:35:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:33:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09360; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:33:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09347; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:33:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:33:51 -0400 Received: from laptop ([32.102.121.107]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000092814334223900pp01ue>; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:33:43 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c02959$0fa6ed40$6b796620@laptop> From: "Tom Franklin" To: , References: <39d72050.33974519@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Subject: Re: [tp600] Now, about the CD-ROM cases Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:33:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: I got a real nice case with my LS-120, but I don't think it sells separately. I would like another case for my Zip. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emanuel Brown" To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 4:46 AM Subject: [tp600] Now, about the CD-ROM cases Now that I've got the DVD-ROM drive and it's up and running, I'm looking for cases for my CD-ROM and LS-120. I don't see IBM offering to see the cases individually and the one that came with my DVD drive doesn't appear to have an FRU on it anywhere. Are these not sold separately? Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Thu Sep 28 10:36:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA25420 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:36:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09587; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:35:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:32:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09053; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09034; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:32:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.34 -> out4.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:32:41 -0400 Received: from laptop ([32.102.121.107]) by prserv.net (out4) with SMTP id <2000092814323823902j5ckoe>; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:32:39 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c02958$e93fb060$6b796620@laptop> From: "Tom Franklin" To: "RWM" , "Andrew G. Malis" Cc: "Thinkpad User Group" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000927124802.02bd0990@mail.northweb.com> Subject: Re: Wireless Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:32:19 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Andy, Can you provide an estimate on what this setup would cost? Thanks ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew G. Malis" To: "RWM" Cc: "Thinkpad User Group" Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 7:42 PM Subject: Re: Wireless > Bob, > > I'm using a Lucent/aka WaveLAN/aka Orinoco 802.11 PC card (11 Megabits) in > the TP, talking to an Apple AirPort base station, which is connected via > Ethernet to the cable modem. Works great in both a T20 and TP600E. Go to > www.wavelan.com for info on the PC card, and www.apple.com for info on the > base station. > > The Apple base station requires an Ethernet-connected Macintosh running > MacOS9 in order to set it up and configure it, but it's a one-time > operation, so if you don't have a Mac, perhaps you can borrow one from a > friend in order to get it going. The base station has Network Address > Translation if you want to use it, but I have it turned off and am just > using it as a wireless Ethernet bridge. > > Cheers, > Andy > > ------- > > At 9/22/2000 03:44 PM -0400, RWM wrote: > >What's the choice of TP users, for wireless bridge to DSL/LAN/ethernet? > > > >- Bob Mann > >-- > >R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. > Airline Industry Analysis and Consulting > >Port Washington, NY 11050 > tel 516-944-0900, fax 516-944-7280 > >mailto:info@RWMann.com > URL http://www.RWMann.com/ > From cph Thu Sep 28 10:48:59 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id KAA25586 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:48:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11523; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:45:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:43:58 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11153; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11131; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:43:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from eve.speakeasy.net (216.254.0.17 -> eve.speakeasy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:43:55 -0400 Received: from RWMann.com (rwmann-4.dsl.speakeasy.net [216.254.73.95]) by eve.speakeasy.net (8.10.0/8.10.0) with ESMTP id e8SEeeu02440; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 07:40:41 -0700 Message-ID: <39D358FA.9B6B6D08@RWMann.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:43:06 -0400 From: RWM Organization: R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Franklin CC: Thinkpad User Group Subject: Re: Wireless References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000927124802.02bd0990@mail.northweb.com> <001b01c02958$e93fb060$6b796620@laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Via Buffalo AirStation 802.11b: Access Point/router/bridge $280 1 desktop/PCI $200 1 mobile/PCMCIA $150 Seems to run ~$630. Least expensive I've found. - Bob Tom Franklin wrote: > > Andy, > Can you provide an estimate on what this setup would cost? > > Thanks > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew G. Malis" > To: "RWM" > Cc: "Thinkpad User Group" > Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 7:42 PM > Subject: Re: Wireless > > > Bob, > > > > I'm using a Lucent/aka WaveLAN/aka Orinoco 802.11 PC card (11 Megabits) in > > the TP, talking to an Apple AirPort base station, which is connected via > > Ethernet to the cable modem. Works great in both a T20 and TP600E. Go to > > www.wavelan.com for info on the PC card, and www.apple.com for info on the > > base station. > > > > The Apple base station requires an Ethernet-connected Macintosh running > > MacOS9 in order to set it up and configure it, but it's a one-time > > operation, so if you don't have a Mac, perhaps you can borrow one from a > > friend in order to get it going. The base station has Network Address > > Translation if you want to use it, but I have it turned off and am just > > using it as a wireless Ethernet bridge. > > > > Cheers, > > Andy > > > > ------- > > > > At 9/22/2000 03:44 PM -0400, RWM wrote: > > >What's the choice of TP users, for wireless bridge to DSL/LAN/ethernet? > > > > > >- Bob Mann > > >-- > > >R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. > Airline Industry Analysis and Consulting > > >Port Washington, NY 11050 > tel 516-944-0900, fax 516-944-7280 > > >mailto:info@RWMann.com > URL http://www.RWMann.com/ > > -- R.W. Mann & Company, Inc. > Airline Industry Analysis and Consulting Port Washington, NY 11050 > tel 516-944-0900, fax 516-944-7280 mailto:info@RWMann.com > URL http://www.RWMann.com/ From cph Thu Sep 28 11:46:39 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA26393 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:46:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18751; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:44:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:42:47 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18423; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:42:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18410; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:42:41 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a28.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.236]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C86325FAD; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:42:35 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39D36768.E3E44378@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:44:41 -0700 From: Ray Bay Organization: Canyonlands Publishing Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Users Group Subject: Re: Laptop Cases References: <012901c028e5$9479b580$de9ffea9@techshop> <000b01c02675$1a3cdf80$fe62183f@math.hawaii.edu> <012901c028e5$9479b580$de9ffea9@techshop> <3.0.1.32.20000927231616.01ba9de0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have had my Port laptop backpack built for IBM for almost five years... It is still in excellent shape. I use it a lot. I can carry about everything I need for work or the university... but not a lot of extra books. Ray From cph Thu Sep 28 11:49:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA26416 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:49:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17996; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:40:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:37:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17622; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:37:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17609; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:37:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pantano.theriver.com (205.216.137.2 -> pantano.theriver.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:37:44 -0400 Received: from theriver.com (a28.pm3-23.theriver.com [208.164.96.236]) by pantano.theriver.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C367B262D0; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:37:25 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <39D36633.2DE5F3F1@theriver.com> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:39:31 -0700 From: Ray Bay Organization: Canyonlands Publishing Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en]C-NSCPCD (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad User Group Subject: Keyboard, full size Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: As requested, here is the part number for the keyboard that fits a number of thinkpads, including the 760, 765, 755 and others. It is black and has a trackpoint on it. It has a connector for a mouse. It does require the IBM adapter which sells for $39 at IBM, Insight and others... but there is no FRU, ID, or Part number on it... I will try to find it later in my paperwork. Somebody posted the adapter number yesterday. The Keyboard is made for IBM by Maxi Switch and I understand you can buy a similar keyboard without the IBM brand on it directly from Maxi-Switch: Part No 13H6705 Fru No 13H6710 ID No M038022 Date 10/28/96 Plt No. 00 Model M13 It has two cords coming out. The adapter converts the two cords to one plug for insertion into the thinkpad. IBM sold it for $75... It should be available now for $35 or less. It is handy for when you are doing a lot of work and your laptop keyboard is starting to have binding keys... I use it for when I am doing a lot of data entry or a great deal of word processing. It is heavy, quite large, and bulky with the adapter attached. The cord is coiled and very long so you can adapt it to your use. Ray From cph Thu Sep 28 12:20:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA26853 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:20:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23211; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:17:09 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22874; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA22855; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:17:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from srvr20.engin.umich.edu (141.213.75.22 -> srvr20.engin.umich.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:17:07 -0400 Received: from clock.engin.umich.edu (root@clock.engin.umich.edu [141.213.42.43]) by srvr20.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA03695 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:17:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (arteitle@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by clock.engin.umich.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA01923 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:17:04 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:17:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Laptop Cases In-Reply-To: <39D36768.E3E44378@theriver.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: For my 560, I wanted something very slim and lightweight, preferably nylon, and able to fit into a backpack to transport hands-free. I didn't care about a shoulder strap, but I wanted a good sized pocket. I ended up going with the Targus CQUP300. Only one caveat: they call it the "Compaq M-Series Portfolio", which means it has a few unobtrusive Compaq logos on things like zipper pulls, et cetera. The foam inside is adjustable with velcro, so it'll fit pretty much any slim notebook; it fits my 560 fine, with room in the pocket for the AC adapter, networking dongle, and even my serial port GPS. Buy.com has it available for $42.95. http://www.targus.com/default_product.asp?title=COMPAQ+M%2DSERIES+PORTFOLIO&sku=CQUP300 Now all that's left is to print IBM logos to cover all those accursed Compaq logos, heh. Aaron Teitlebaum arteitle@engin.umich.edu From cph Thu Sep 28 13:40:43 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA27831 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:40:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05454; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:35:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:29:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04587; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:29:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04571; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:29:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (216.101.175.230 -> smtp.innovisions.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:29:44 -0400 Received: by mailsf.innoventry.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:25:49 -0700 Message-ID: <818E2295B394D211BF1B0008C709553E021300A3@mailsf.innoventry.com> From: Mitchell Yee To: "'Jon Malis'" , "Andrew G. Malis" , RWM Cc: Thinkpad User Group Subject: RE: Wireless; definitely not Thinkpad Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:25:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: In a previous life, I used to adminster a multi-platform (Sun, Mac, PC) TCP network with at least least 2 of the Apple Airports. It's worth spending the hours necessary reading Apple's White papers. The Airports (unconfigured) will hammer your network with broadcast storms - apple arps. It's pretty ugly. So, 11 Mbps is fine, but really spend some time configuring those Airports. Mitchell -----Original Message----- From: Jon Malis [mailto:amalis@mediaone.net] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 4:12 AM To: Andrew G. Malis; RWM Cc: Thinkpad User Group Subject: Re: Wireless At 09:42 PM 9/27/2000 -0400, Andrew G. Malis wrote: >Bob, > >I'm using a Lucent/aka WaveLAN/aka Orinoco 802.11 PC card (11 Megabits) in >the TP, talking to an Apple AirPort base station, which is connected via >Ethernet to the cable modem. Works great in both a T20 and TP600E. Go to >www.wavelan.com for info on the PC card, and www.apple.com for info on the >base station. > >The Apple base station requires an Ethernet-connected Macintosh running >MacOS9 in order to set it up and configure it, but it's a one-time >operation, so if you don't have a Mac, perhaps you can borrow one from a >friend in order to get it going. Actually, you don't need a mac to configure the base station anymore. There's now a java version of the Airport config. tools which is online somewhere (lost my bookmarks last time I reformatted my drive) It supposedly can do everything the MacOS version does, but i haven't used it. If I find the URL, I'll post it, but you probably just do an online search for it. --jon Jon Malis Freelance Network And Computer Consultant For Hire jmalis@mail.com ----- Out The 10-BaseT, Through The Cat. 5, Around The LAN, Into The Router, Forwarded To The Cable Modem, Through The Node, To The Tier-1 Backbone, Nothin' But NET! From cph Thu Sep 28 14:25:15 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA28396 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:25:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11063; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:20:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:15:05 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10251; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10230; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsf.innoventry.com (216.101.175.230 -> smtp.innovisions.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:14:59 -0400 Received: by mailsf.innoventry.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:11:02 -0700 Message-ID: <818E2295B394D211BF1B0008C709553E021300A8@mailsf.innoventry.com> From: Mitchell Yee To: "'Tom Franklin'" , emanuel@brown.org, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: RE: [tp600] Now, about the CD-ROM cases Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:11:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" List-Unsubscribe: Are you guys talking about the little black soft cases? I think those cases are made by Port for IBM. Mitchell -----Original Message----- From: Tom Franklin [mailto:tom@franklin.to] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 7:33 AM To: emanuel@brown.org; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [tp600] Now, about the CD-ROM cases I got a real nice case with my LS-120, but I don't think it sells separately. I would like another case for my Zip. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emanuel Brown" To: Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 4:46 AM Subject: [tp600] Now, about the CD-ROM cases Now that I've got the DVD-ROM drive and it's up and running, I'm looking for cases for my CD-ROM and LS-120. I don't see IBM offering to see the cases individually and the one that came with my DVD drive doesn't appear to have an FRU on it anywhere. Are these not sold separately? Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Thu Sep 28 14:49:12 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA28625 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:49:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14988; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:42:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14331; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:42:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14312; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:42:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:42:30 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id IAA03671; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:42:05 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001701c0297b$cc641080$c562183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Aaron R. Teitlebaum" , References: Subject: Re: Laptop Cases Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 08:41:59 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > For my 560, I wanted something very slim and lightweight, preferably > nylon, and able to fit into a backpack to transport hands-free. I didn't > care about a shoulder strap, but I wanted a good sized pocket. Thanks, this is exactly the use I intend for my 560. I've been using a Silicon Wetsuit for this, but - as I mentioned in my first post - I'm not comfortable with its protection along the edges, where the 560 is somewhat vulnerable. However, I do need the shoulder strap, as I often carry just the computer for fairly long distances. Thanks all for the advice, I will probably look a bit longer to see if I can find the TP560 portfolio at a price I like, else go for one of the other recommended bags. - David From cph Thu Sep 28 15:27:45 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA29035 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:27:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20006; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:25:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:23:45 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19689; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:23:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19665; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.email.msn.com (207.46.181.18 -> cpimssmtpu02.email.msn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:23:40 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer - 63.48.1.87 by email.msn.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:22:21 -0700 Message-ID: <009001c02981$eeb911c0$7001303f@oemcomputer> From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Subject: 560 cases Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 14:25:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: While you guy's are on the subject, I'd love to find a thinpad case like the one I saw on ebay. It had the large thinpkad logo and the ball in color took up most of the side of the case. Anyone know of this style? Brad From cph Thu Sep 28 16:28:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA29612 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:28:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27950; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:26:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:24:03 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27495; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from prserv.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27421; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:23:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009282023.QAA27421@cs.utk.edu> Received: from prserv.net (32.97.166.31 -> out1.prserv.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:23:29 -0400 Received: from slip-129-37-99-106.tx.us.prserv.net ([129.37.99.106]) by prserv.net (out1) with SMTP id <20000928202326252009s060e>; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:23:27 +0000 From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" To: "Ray Bay" , "Thinkpad User Group" Cc: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Date: Thu, 28 Sep 00 16:23:25 +0700 Reply-To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 1.92 For OS/2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: Keyboard, full size List-Unsubscribe: Maxi-Switch:>Part No 13H6705>Fru No 13H6710>ID No M038022 This is the IBM keyboard. I have the wiring diagram for the adapter for those handy with a soldering iron who want to save $50 for the adapter cable. I highly recommend using this keyboard because the one on the 760 is very flimsy. I have to replace it every 7-8 months. Jeffrey Race From cph Thu Sep 28 16:50:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA30038 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:50:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00505; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:46:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00181; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:46:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA00152; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:46:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 16:46:44 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-13.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.13]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e8SKkM524389 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 13:46:22 -0700 Message-ID: <39D3AE1A.F12B1738@mail.orion.org> Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 15:46:18 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad Users Subject: TP560E repair experience Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I recently won a broken Thinkpad 560E on Ebay. It is a 2640-40U, P166MMX, 16MB, 2.1GB, 12.1TFT. Pretty nice. Symptom was that when tapped or certain keys pressed, the machine would reboot. I have seen this symptom before, with my old ThinkPad 560. I was able to successfully repair it by resoldering the tiny pins on the motherboard side of the DC-DC board connector. So being confident it was probably the same problem and that I could fix it, I bid pretty high. I won the machine for a grand total of $182.50 shipped. Upon receipt, I tested it, verified it had this problem, and disassembled it. I painstakingly resoldered all the pins on the motherboard side of the DC-DC board connector. No luck. I kept making solder bridges, so I had to file down the tip on my pencil-tip soldering iron to an even finer point. I then resoldered all the tiny pins on the DC-DC board side of the connector. SUCCESS!!! I reassembled the machine, and all was well, but then I discovered it wouldn't charge or even recognize a battery. It would run off the battery, but it would think it was running on AC and wouldn't attempt to charge a battery. Suspecting I still had bad solder joints on that same connector, I disassembled it again and went through the same process of resoldering those tiny pins. FINALLY I now have the TP560E fully functional, recognizes and charges batteries! I just thought I'd share my experience for those who may be having TP560-series problems with similar symptoms. It appears to be fairly common, because the TP560-series is actually somewhat flimsy in its construction (very thin base) and the DC-DC board may move a bit, causing some of the tiny pins to separate from the circuit board over time. IBM probably could have eliminated this problem by either integrating the 2 boards into 1, or using a flexible connection between the two. 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NOW, because paying REtail price is ILLEGAL, UP to OCT 31, we can get this unit for $64.47 !!!!!! check out the unit: www.etak.com/skymap $166.20 (from onivia) - $75 sony rebate -$20 onivia coupon =$64.47 !! rebate: www.netbate.com/coupons/sony/1258.html onivia coupon code: edc-col-igf HURRY UP THESE GPS ARE GOING SO FAST at that PRICE ! great as a christmas present ! and for the wife, galfriend or mistress, let me know if oyu are interested in a $345 ESQ women's chrono watch (swiss made) available online for $89 with elozabeth arden perfume plus jewellery ! enjoy From cph Thu Sep 28 17:51:26 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA30665 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:51:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09982; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:49:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:46:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09456; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:46:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09436; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:46:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (141.211.144.17 -> changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:46:03 -0400 Received: from lin84001 (pm476-44.dialip.mich.net [207.75.179.150]) by changeofhabit.mr.itd.umich.edu (8.9.3/3.2r) with SMTP id RAA02156 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006301c02995$87918220$96b34bcf@lin84001> From: "Jerry Lin" To: Subject: best price for 240 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:46:14 -0400 Organization: University of Michigan MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="big5" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Hi there, I'm looking for ThinkPad 240 on the web but so far there's no satisfying price. My budget is less than $1,600 for the basic model including the optional cd-rom and floppy. I wonder where can we get the best price on the web since many price-searching engine doesn't give us the answer. What's your recommendation? TIA~ Jerry From cph Thu Sep 28 17:57:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA30723 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:57:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11286; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:54:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:53:06 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10784; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:53:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10771; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:53:04 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA04379; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:52:56 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001101c02996$75610660$3262183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Brad Burean" , "Thinkpad Users" References: <009001c02981$eeb911c0$7001303f@oemcomputer> Subject: Re: 560 cases Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 11:52:51 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Do you have a pointer? I think that the only companies who have made "authorized" thinkpad cases are Port/Targus and (more recently) Motion Systems, so if there is a *legal* logo on the case then it likely is from one of these two manufacturers. Personally, I am a bit leery of the logo thing. Why not just paste a label on the side that says, "Hey crooks! This package contains one of the most valuable computers on the market! Steal me!" - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Burean" To: "Thinkpad Users" Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 9:25 AM Subject: 560 cases > While you guy's are on the subject, I'd love to find a thinpad case like the > one I saw on ebay. It had the large thinpkad logo and the ball in color > took up most of the side of the case. Anyone know of this style? > > Brad > > > > From cph Thu Sep 28 18:45:28 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA31153 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:45:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16487; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:42:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:39:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16147; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:39:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls20.mediaone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16099; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from chmls20.mediaone.net (24.147.1.156 -> chmls20.mediaone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:39:31 -0400 Received: from JDM-TP600E.mediaone.net (h0040100c9388.ne.mediaone.net [24.218.170.135]) by chmls20.mediaone.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA29868; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 18:37:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928172255.00b8e698@pop.ne.mediaone.net> X-Sender: amalis@pop.ne.mediaone.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 4.3.2 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:25:36 -0400 To: "Tom Franklin" , "RWM" , "Andrew G. Malis" From: Jon Malis Subject: Re: Wireless Cc: "Thinkpad User Group" In-Reply-To: <001b01c02958$e93fb060$6b796620@laptop> References: <4.3.2.7.2.20000927124802.02bd0990@mail.northweb.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed List-Unsubscribe: At 08:32 AM 9/28/2000 -0600, Tom Franklin wrote: >Andy, >Can you provide an estimate on what this setup would cost? I'm not Andy, but I'm pretty sure I can answer the question (he's my dad =) -- about $299 for the Apple Base Station, and between $150-200 for the card (depending on the encryption) In our case, we have 2 cards and a bast station, and it cost us about ~$500 for the setup Cheers, --jon ---------- Jon Malis jmalis@mail.com Principal Network Consultant, Computing Consultant Mal-Tech Consulting From cph Thu Sep 28 19:43:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA31687 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:42:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22637; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:41:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:37:39 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22151; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:37:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22127; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:37:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:37:33 -0400 Received: from 6.chicago-21-22rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.156.6]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000928233722.EULH9211.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@6.chicago-21-22rs.il.dial-access.att.net> for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:37:22 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: Subject: Re: best price for 240 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:37:13 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39d3d5d4.518172@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <006301c02995$87918220$96b34bcf@lin84001> In-Reply-To: <006301c02995$87918220$96b34bcf@lin84001> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id TAA31688 On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:46:14 -0400, you wrote: >I'm looking for ThinkPad 240 on the web but so far there's no satisfying >price. My budget is less than $1,600 for the basic model including the >optional cd-rom and floppy. I wonder where can we get the best price on the >web since many price-searching engine doesn't give us the answer. What's >your recommendation? TIA~ I bought mine in April of this year for $1069 from PC Mall, but I don't think anyone is still carrying them. I'd try eBay, where they are averaging about $800 or so. Heck, mine will likely go up this weekend now that I've got the 600E; let me know if you'd like to be notified. Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Thu Sep 28 20:03:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA31852 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:03:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA24811; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 20:00:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:58:07 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24453; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:58:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24432; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:57:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:58:02 -0400 Received: from oemcomputer ([12.79.53.96]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000928235756.FCVB9211.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@oemcomputer>; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:57:56 +0000 Message-ID: <005c01c029a8$1c9d76a0$60354f0c@oemcomputer> Reply-To: "Simon Bryquer" From: "Simon Bryquer" To: , Subject: Re: best price for 240 Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:58:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 List-Unsubscribe: Emanuel -- Just curious, you who for as long as I can remember have always strongly advocated the sub-notebook for the obvious reasons that they come in at 2-3 lbs and anything above this is really not practical as a 'portable aptop' -- so why the 600E ( which BTW I also own and think a great machine) now at 5 lbs+. Yes portable, but one is aware of the weight when carrying it about. I for the most part use it as a desktop replacement and the 240 to move about. Again just curious. Simon -----Original Message----- From: Emanuel Brown To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thursday, September 28, 2000 7:42 PM Subject: Re: best price for 240 On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:46:14 -0400, you wrote: >I'm looking for ThinkPad 240 on the web but so far there's no satisfying >price. My budget is less than $1,600 for the basic model including the >optional cd-rom and floppy. I wonder where can we get the best price on the >web since many price-searching engine doesn't give us the answer. What's >your recommendation? TIA~ I bought mine in April of this year for $1069 from PC Mall, but I don't think anyone is still carrying them. I'd try eBay, where they are averaging about $800 or so. Heck, mine will likely go up this weekend now that I've got the 600E; let me know if you'd like to be notified. Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Thu Sep 28 21:07:58 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA32220 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:07:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00652; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:01:46 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00234; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00211; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:01:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.49 -> mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 21:01:33 -0400 Received: from 6.chicago-21-22rs.il.dial-access.att.net ([12.75.156.6]) by mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000929010131.GLMN22058.mtiwmhc24.worldnet.att.net@6.chicago-21-22rs.il.dial-access.att.net>; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:01:31 +0000 From: epbrown01@att.net (Emanuel Brown) To: Cc: sbryquer@worldnet.att.net Subject: Re: best price for 240 Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 01:01:26 GMT Reply-To: emanuel@brown.org Message-ID: <39d4dc08.2105907@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <005c01c029a8$1c9d76a0$60354f0c@oemcomputer> In-Reply-To: <005c01c029a8$1c9d76a0$60354f0c@oemcomputer> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii List-Unsubscribe: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id VAA32221 On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:58:58 -0400, you wrote: >Just curious, you who for as long as I can remember have always strongly >advocated the sub-notebook for the obvious reasons that they come in at 2-3 >lbs and anything above this is really not practical as a 'portable >aptop' -- so why the 600E ( which BTW I also own and think a great machine) >now at 5 lbs+. Yes portable, but one is aware of the weight when carrying >it about. I for the most part use it as a desktop replacement and the 240 to >move about. > >Again just curious. I thought I mentioned this, but it may have been on the Sony list, where it also came up. The change to the 600 came because I own a decent-sized (250 or so) DVD collection and wanted to take a few with me when I travel. I bought a Panasonic portable DVD player and it worked wonderfully, but it weighed about 3 lbs and had only a 5" LCD display. And since I also still took my Sony 505 with me, I was lugging ~6 lbs. everywhere, not even counting the AC adapters for both and my CaseLogic 10-disc case. I sold the Sony and Panasonic on eBay for a combined $1750 and started looking for something the same weight or lighter. To be honest, I was looking for a Sony. The original 7xx models were too slow, but the 8x8 series weigh about 5 lbs and include built-in DVD drives. They also seem to have extremely happy owners, and are somewhat scarce. When I could find one, they were simply too expensive. The IBM 600E was the next-lightest DVD-equipped laptop I liked, and they are available in abundance (there are ~20 on eBay as I write this). While the DVD-equipped models tend to go for a bit more, I scored mine for $1175 with the CD-ROM from a local and added the DVD drive for another $75. I also got a new 2nd battery for $75, and 256MB RAM for $280. All in all, I got a DVD player with 13" display, a laptop that's 100Mhz faster laptop with 224MB more RAM, and more battery life than both of the old devices combined (while saving over a hundred bucks.) And unlike the DVD-L10 and the Sony N505VE I had, the IBM is still under warranty and will be for more than two years. All with no weight increase :-) Of course, the 600E seems HUGE after all those ultra-lights, especially the display, but I'm adjusting - I watched "Sleepy Hollow" on it last night, and it was much nicer than my old 5" viewer! Hope your curiosity is satisfied, Emanuel "Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car; most people settle for the car." Chris Titus 1983 911 SC http://home.att.net/~epbrown01/91183.jpg From cph Thu Sep 28 22:20:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA32712 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:20:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06346; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:13:56 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05956; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:13:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA05927; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:13:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout3-int.prodigy.net (207.115.63.102 -> pimout3-ext.prodigy.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:13:47 -0400 Received: from CHUCK (adsl-63-198-206-150.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [63.198.206.150]) by pimout3-int.prodigy.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e8T2Djj177758 for ; Thu, 28 Sep 2000 22:13:45 -0400 From: "Chuck Blaisdell" To: Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 19:13:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: best price for 240 Reply-to: chuck@ccncn.org Message-ID: <39D39867.10932.2140087@localhost> Priority: normal In-reply-to: <39d3d5d4.518172@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> References: <006301c02995$87918220$96b34bcf@lin84001> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) List-Unsubscribe: On 28 Sep 2000, at 23:37, Emanuel Brown wrote: > On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 17:46:14 -0400, you wrote: > >I'm looking for ThinkPad 240 on the web but so far there's no satisfying > >price. My budget is less than $1,600 for the basic model including the > >optional cd-rom and floppy. I wonder where can we get the best price on the > >web since many price-searching engine doesn't give us the answer. What's > >your recommendation? TIA~ There look to be a number of links with in-stock via Cnet search: E.g., http://shopper.cnet.com/shopping/resellers/0-1613119-311-131288.html?tag=st.sh.sr.pl.pr131288 http://shopper.cnet.com/shopping/resellers/0-1613120-311-1444996.html?tag=st.sh.sr.pl.pr1444996 From cph Fri Sep 29 00:31:06 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id AAA00893 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:31:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17253; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:30:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:26:38 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16978; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16961; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:26:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:26:21 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl2-92.gate.net [199.227.20.155]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA28656; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:26:17 -0400 Message-ID: <39D41A17.FE0A2E2C@gate.net> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 00:27:03 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Edward Mendelson CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP all] How to clean TrackPoint III button? References: <000901c028ad$5d122f60$080aa8c6@zd.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: how old and or how worn in the keyboard.. Edward Mendelson wrote: > I've got a keyboard with a TrackPoint III in which the left mouse button > needs to be pressed about twice as hard as the right button before it > responds. I suspect there's a problem with dirt under the button, and I > wonder if anyone has any suggestion for cleaning it safely?? > > Many thanks... > > Edward Mendelson > Contributing Editor > PC Magazine -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Fri Sep 29 06:54:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id GAA02814 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:54:29 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA13800; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:51:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA13615; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:51:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA13602; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:50:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:50:58 -0400 Received: from emendels (adsl-141-155-114-53.bellatlantic.net [141.155.114.53]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA05326; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002301c02a03$2b083300$080aa8c6@zd.com> From: "Edward Mendelson" To: , References: <000901c028ad$5d122f60$080aa8c6@zd.com> <39D41A17.FE0A2E2C@gate.net> Subject: Re: [TP all] How to clean TrackPoint III button? Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 06:51:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: It's a TP 701, and the rest of the keyboard seems reasonably clean, though perhaps a bit gunky over all. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Morrow" To: "Edward Mendelson" Cc: Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [TP all] How to clean TrackPoint III button? > > how old and or how worn in the keyboard.. > > Edward Mendelson wrote: > > > I've got a keyboard with a TrackPoint III in which the left mouse button > > needs to be pressed about twice as hard as the right button before it > > responds. I suspect there's a problem with dirt under the button, and I > > wonder if anyone has any suggestion for cleaning it safely?? > > > > Many thanks... > > > > Edward Mendelson > > Contributing Editor > > PC Magazine > > -- > --- > > Happy trails... > > ** Bill Morrow ** :-) > WEB page http://thinkpads.com > e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net > open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? > sic transit gloria > > From cph Fri Sep 29 09:42:25 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id JAA03548 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:42:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25504; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:41:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:38:48 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25196; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA25132; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:38:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (129.97.140.200 -> plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:38:15 -0400 Received: from plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (migod@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA07165 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:38:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200009291338.JAA07165@plg2.math.uwaterloo.ca> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu X-url: http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/ X-image-url: http://plg.uwaterloo.ca/~migod/migod.jpg Subject: battery drain NOT due to dead battery?? Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 09:38:14 -0400 From: "Michael W. Godfrey" List-Unsubscribe: I installed a new HDD a few months back, using the recovery CD provided. I'm not 100% positive but that's about the time that my thinkpad started losing battery power when I had it in hibernate. Thinking it was a dead battery, I called IBM and they shipped out a new one; but less than 48 hours of slumber, my initially fully charged new battery was down to 28%. So I'm thinking that maybe I'm not putting it into deep sleep properly. I hit FN-F4 like I always did ... but maybe after the re-install thsi is mapped to one of the lighter sleep options. I'mve played around with the TP configuration tool, but I can't find any decent documentation on how to tell the difference between the three sleep modes, and if it's possibile to configure things differently (so I can set FN-F4 back to "deep sleep"). Any ideas? Have I been shipped a second battery that won't hold its charge or am I out to lunch? Hints greatly appreciated. This is a TP600E running Win98. -- Mike From cph Fri Sep 29 11:09:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA04194 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:09:19 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA05350; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:07:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:04:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04873; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA04859; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.159 -> gtei1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:04:30 -0400 Received: from emendels (adsl-141-155-114-53.bellatlantic.net [141.155.114.53]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA09294; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:04:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01c02a26$8e43b660$080aa8c6@zd.com> From: "Edward Mendelson" To: "Ray Bay" , References: <000901c028ad$5d122f60$080aa8c6@zd.com> <39D41A17.FE0A2E2C@gate.net> <002301c02a03$2b083300$080aa8c6@zd.com> <39D4AAAD.D2FA3B2B@theriver.com> Subject: Re: [TP all] How to clean TrackPoint III button? Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 11:04:21 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: Ray, I'll try that. Many thanks! Edward ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Bay" To: "Edward Mendelson" Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [TP all] How to clean TrackPoint III button? > > Have you tried cleaning it? I have had good luck cleaning keyboards > with distilled water mixed with a little alcohol... no soap... take > it off the computer... clean with q-tips and folds of soft absorbent > cotton,, dry it upside down and dry it for a long time (more than 24 > hours) using a low temp blow dryer occasionally, but just let it drain > mostly. Using a dental irrigator pump helped. Do not use anything > with a cleaning agent in it such as windex. > > I have fixed several that were stuck up with coffee or cocoa cola > spills... > From cph Fri Sep 29 12:58:53 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA05568 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:58:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20077; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:57:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:53:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19353; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.cc.emory.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19340; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pluto.cc.emory.edu (170.140.29.37 -> Pluto.cc.emory.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:53:17 -0400 Received: from rbright (anx55-39.dialup.emory.edu [170.140.251.39]) by pluto.cc.emory.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id e8TGrG302141 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:53:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rick A. Bright" To: Subject: A20p 2629-6SU for sale. Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 12:53:24 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 In-Reply-To: List-Unsubscribe: I have placed my A20p 2629-6SU up for auction on Ebay. My employer recently purchased a new A20p for my use and my personal one has been unused for over a month now. See auction (ends Monday) at: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=447754801 Please email me if you have any questions. I also have an extra 256mb memory chip if you are interested. Rick From cph Fri Sep 29 13:14:34 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA05831 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:14:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22554; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:09:20 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22074; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:09:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22003; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:09:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from NewPad (198.144.205.90 -> m205-90.dsl.tsoft.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 13:09:13 -0400 Received: from 172.16.74.1 by NewPad ([172.16.74.1] running VPOP3) with ESMTP; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:09:04 -0700 From: "Michael Geary" To: "Jon Malis" , "Tom Franklin" , "RWM" , "Andrew G. Malis" Cc: "Thinkpad User Group" Subject: RE: Wireless (ORiNOCO/WaveLAN) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 10:09:04 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.7.2.20000928172255.00b8e698@pop.ne.mediaone.net> X-Server: VPOP3 V1.4.0b - Registered List-Unsubscribe: > -- about $299 for the Apple Base Station, and between $150-200 > for the card (depending on the encryption) If this is for your ThinkPads rather than Macs, I'd get the ORiNOCO (Lucent WaveLAN) RG-1000 instead of the Airport. Then you're all set to go right out of the box. I just set up a couple of these and they work great. Mine is behind a SonicWALL, just bridging my wired and wireless networks (no NAT--the SonicWALL is doing that). The other one is connected directly to a cable modem at a coworker's house, with the RG-1000 providing NAT to the machines on the wireless LAN. I've been buying this stuff from a fellow named Jay at Enkay, a very nice outfit I found from a link on Lucent's website. They specialize in WaveLAN/ORiNOCO stuff. PC Connection and other places have it too. The RG-1000 by itself is $315 at Enkay, or $405 bundled with an extra Silver card. Extra Silver (40-bit encryption) cards run $159, so be sure to get the bundle to start with. If you want 128-bit encryption, you need a WavePOINT II access point with a Gold (128-bit) card installed in it. The RG-1000 and Airport have Silver cards inside them, but the WavePOINT II doesn't come with any card at all--it has two empty slots and you buy one or two cards to put in it. The WavePOINT II is very flexible but much more expensive than the RG-1000. The Gold cards themselves are only a few dollars more than the Silver. Lucent's client software lets you set up four network profiles so you can connect to your home network, office network, etc. and it will change the encryption keys and other settings for you. There's a tray icon that shows you the signal strength and lets you select configurations. I use a Gold card in my ThinkPad, and we have a WavePOINT II with a Gold card at the office (this used to be at my home but I just replaced it with the RG-1000). So I get 40-bit encryption at home and 128-bit at the office. Just love the wireless--the only time I ever use the wired LAN any more is for copying huge files where the 100 megabit makes a difference. ORiNOCO/WaveLAN: http://www.wavelan.com/ Enkay: http://www.enkay.com/catalog.htm -Mike From cph Fri Sep 29 17:52:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA09141 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:52:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21885; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:51:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:48:32 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21468; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:48:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21455; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:48:30 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-4.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.157]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id VAA04531; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 21:48:26 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: , Subject: RE: [tp600] Now, about the CD-ROM cases Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 17:53:15 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <39d72050.33974519@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Emanuel Brown [mailto:epbrown01@att.net] wrote: > Now that I've got the DVD-ROM drive and it's up and running, I'm > looking for cases for my CD-ROM and LS-120. I don't see IBM offering > to see the cases individually and the one that came with my DVD drive > doesn't appear to have an FRU on it anywhere. Are these not sold > separately? I've been trying to find these cases for a _long_ time! The one that came today with my other DVD (thanks again for the headsup Emanuel) came in a bag that says it was made by Port but doesn't have a Port part no. on it. It _does_ have an IBM part no. of 05K4562. I haven't been able to find that on any of the IBM parts sites as yet, but I haven't called Boulder parts yet to check there. I would definitely love one of these for my Zip drive and one for my 2nd HDD adapter. If anyone tracks them down online or through Boulder parts, please let us know. Regards, James From cph Fri Sep 29 19:48:36 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA09844 for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:48:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01818; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:48:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:46:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01521; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:46:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01505; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:46:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:46:02 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.234]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000929234600.SRXS22244.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Fri, 29 Sep 2000 23:46:00 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000929194214.018498c0@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 19:42:14 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: RE: [tp600] Now, about the CD-ROM cases In-Reply-To: References: <39d72050.33974519@mailhost.worldnet.att.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 05:53 PM 09/29/2000 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote: >I've been trying to find these cases for a _long_ time! The one that came today >with my other DVD (thanks again for the headsup Emanuel) came in a bag that says >it was made by Port but doesn't have a Port part no. on it. > >It _does_ have an IBM part no. of 05K4562. I haven't been able to find that on >any of the IBM parts sites as yet, but I haven't called Boulder parts yet to >check there. > >I would definitely love one of these for my Zip drive and one for my 2nd HDD >adapter. If anyone tracks them down online or through Boulder parts, please let >us know. > I have a meeting with Targus/Port on Monday afternoon. I'll try to remember to ask. From cph Sat Sep 30 11:49:08 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14275 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:49:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22096; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:46:13 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21320; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:46:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21298; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:46:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.hiwaay.net (208.147.154.56 -> fly.HiWAAY.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:46:07 -0400 Received: from dwreid (tnt10-216-180-65-136.dialup.hiwaay.net [216.180.65.136]) by mail.hiwaay.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id e8UFk4704537 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 10:46:04 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <000801c02af5$89c7ca20$8841b4d8@dwreid> From: "David Reid" To: "ThinkPad-L" Subject: TP 770z Win98 Keyboard wont work in DOS window Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 10:45:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 List-Unsubscribe: List, I've found that my keyboard will not work with a DOS window. What the heck would cause that? TIA Dave From cph Sat Sep 30 11:49:19 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id LAA14279 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:49:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22092; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:48:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:46:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21540; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:46:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21527; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:46:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:46:57 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-12.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.165]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA26986 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:46:56 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Thinkpad List" Subject: The King is Dead - Long Live the King! Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:51:57 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: The morning mail just brought the IBM Essentials catalog for early fall 2K and imagine my surprise while perusing the Thinkpads. NO A20's at all! Just the T's, X's and the A21's. So I guess this means that the stake is officially in the heart of the A20's? IIRC, when the A20's came out, the catalogs were still offering the 600X and the 770Z. Apparently Big Blue doesn't want to confuse anyone with having both the A20 and A21 available in the same offering. For those looking for lightweight cases for their babies, the catalog has the CompuNote case (33L4853) available for $49.99. This is the case with the internal airtube cushion (Safeport) system and it really _is_ the size of ye olde briefcase. I've got one of these, compliments of my daughter's 570, and I personally find the small opening in the case for inserting or removing the laptop to be less than ideal. But, for those seeking small and light in a case, this is a very nice piece. Quality construction and it weighs about a pound and a half. Regards, James From cph Sat Sep 30 12:11:47 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id MAA14379 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:11:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24104; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:06:18 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23884; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:06:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23871; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:06:16 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUS5TVC9FQ8WYLGL@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:09:52 CST Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 11:09:52 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: PCI expansion with selecta dock ? To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: any one had any experience on running a 3d graphics accelerator geforce, tnt ..etc using a selctadock or selecta base ? HOw reliable are these expansion machine ?? Thinking of getting 30 gig 7200 rpm internal 30 gig hdd, and a cdrw on the selectadock III. From cph Sat Sep 30 13:07:33 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14637 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:07:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28344; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:06:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:04:28 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28131; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:04:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28118; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:04:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shuswap.gate.net (216.219.246.7 -> shuswap.gate.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:04:24 -0400 Received: from gate.net (tspsl1-278.gate.net [199.227.173.24]) by shuswap.gate.net (AIX4.3/8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA97850; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:04:16 -0400 Message-ID: <39D61D3E.DECF49B3@gate.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:05:03 -0400 From: Bill Morrow Reply-To: penzance@gate.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James H. E. Maugham" CC: Thinkpad List Subject: Re: The King is Dead - Long Live the King! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: YIKES..!! that WAS the fastest product intro and EOP (End Of Production) i have EVER seen... "James H. E. Maugham" wrote: > The morning mail just brought the IBM Essentials catalog for early fall 2K and > imagine my surprise while perusing the Thinkpads. > > NO A20's at all! Just the T's, X's and the A21's. So I guess this means that the > stake is officially in the heart of the A20's? > > IIRC, when the A20's came out, the catalogs were still offering the 600X and the > 770Z. Apparently Big Blue doesn't want to confuse anyone with having both the > A20 and A21 available in the same offering. > > For those looking for lightweight cases for their babies, the catalog has the > CompuNote case (33L4853) available for $49.99. This is the case with the > internal airtube cushion (Safeport) system and it really _is_ the size of ye > olde briefcase. I've got one of these, compliments of my daughter's 570, and I > personally find the small opening in the case for inserting or removing the > laptop to be less than ideal. > > But, for those seeking small and light in a case, this is a very nice piece. > Quality construction and it weighs about a pound and a half. > > Regards, > > James -- --- Happy trails... ** Bill Morrow ** :-) WEB page http://thinkpads.com e-mail: bill@thinkpads.com, penzance@gate.net open forum: http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login? sic transit gloria From cph Sat Sep 30 13:15:00 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id NAA14675 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:15:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA29266; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:13:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:12:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28927; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:12:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28913; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:12:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:12:13 -0400 Received: from dts-jl ([12.77.31.223]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20000930171211.JEB23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@dts-jl> for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:12:11 +0000 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000930130821.0146c830@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:08:21 -0400 To: ThinkPad Mailing List From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: The King is Dead - Long Live the King! In-Reply-To: <39D61D3E.DECF49B3@gate.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" List-Unsubscribe: At 01:05 PM 09/30/2000 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote: >that WAS the fastest product intro and EOP (End Of Production) i have EVER seen... > Yup, and no workhorse model either which I have bitterly complained about. From cph Sat Sep 30 14:51:22 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id OAA15105 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:51:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05285; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:50:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:47:54 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04993; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:47:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04978; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:47:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:47:51 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUSBH3Q49C8WYIOX@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:51:23 CST Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:51:22 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on clearence at your local staples store for $79.99 HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i will buy it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples manager the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT CALL AND ASK !! THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected yet make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! PLease get an extra one for me !! enjoy From cph Sat Sep 30 15:28:24 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id PAA15275 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:28:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08170; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:26:35 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07966; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.cais.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07953; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:26:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from shell.cais.net (205.252.14.8 -> shell.cais.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:26:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (rj@localhost) by shell.cais.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA16391; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 15:21:11 -0400 (EDT) From: rj To: Jon W cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: Do you know the Sony model number? Is it CRX100E/X2? On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, Jon W wrote: > 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on clearence at > your local staples store for $79.99 > > HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i will buy > it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples manager > the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT CALL > AND ASK !! > > THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected yet > make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! > > > PLease get an extra one for me !! > > enjoy > > > > From cph Sat Sep 30 16:20:54 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA15501 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:20:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11382; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:19:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:17:27 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11162; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11147; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:17:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from magpage.com (216.155.0.8 -> trinity.magpage.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:17:25 -0400 Received: from JU0ME6YLHW1Z6M (pm3-13-23.phl.magpage.com [216.155.62.176]) by magpage.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA07740; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:17:16 GMT From: "James H. E. Maugham" To: "Jon W" , Subject: RE: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:22:21 -0500 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.5600 List-Unsubscribe: Thanks for the headsup Jon, I got one. I literally ran out the door and sped over to my local Staples (Rte. 70, Marlton, NJ) where I bagged the LAST one. SONY CRX100E/X2. The unit was on the shelf with no closeout tag on it and when I asked the clerk to scan it, his jaw almost hit the floor as he uttered a loud "Holy SHIT!!"! His reaction resulted in a bit of a quiet conference between several of the clerks which I interrupted with, "If you're thinking of getting _this_ one for one of yourselves, please know that it _will_ cost you your job here!". They VERY grudgingly handed it over. Sorry I couldn't get you one Jon. Thanks again, James > -----Original Message----- > From: Jon W [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:51 PM > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 > > > 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on clearence at > your local staples store for $79.99 > > HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i will buy > it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples manager > the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT CALL > AND ASK !! > > THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected yet > make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! > > > PLease get an extra one for me !! > > enjoy > > From cph Sat Sep 30 16:32:04 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id QAA15544 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:32:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12620; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:30:15 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12416; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:30:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12403; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:30:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.islandnet.com (199.175.106.4 -> mail.islandnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:30:13 -0400 Received: from [139.142.112.205] (helo=139-142-112-205.dialup.islandnet.com) by mail.islandnet.com with SMTP id 13fTGF-0000fK-00 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 13:29:32 -0700 From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: [TP all] How to clean TrackPoint III button? Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 18:50:43 -0800 Organization: Pawn is Pawn Message-ID: References: <000901c028ad$5d122f60$080aa8c6@zd.com> In-Reply-To: <000901c028ad$5d122f60$080aa8c6@zd.com> Lines: 23 X-Newsreader: VSoup v1.2.9.34Beta [95/NT] List-Unsubscribe: I had the exact same with a 701 I bought on ebay. The keyboard was almost pristine, but the left mouse button would register only with an Olympic weightlifting-type (weightpushing?) effort. A part solution was to reverse the buttons in Win95 (the main problem had been double-clicking, which you never do with the "right" or context button). I think that this 701 had been owned by an exec who didn't type. >I've got a keyboard with a TrackPoint III in which the left mouse button >needs to be pressed about twice as hard as the right button before it >responds. I suspect there's a problem with dirt under the button, and I >wonder if anyone has any suggestion for cleaning it safely?? > >Edward Mendelson > -- cheers Jonathan Berry http://www.islandnet.com/~jberry/ to know more than you want From cph Sat Sep 30 17:02:09 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id RAA15656 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:02:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16083; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 17:01:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:59:42 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15760; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:59:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15738; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:59:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp2.fdn.com (216.199.0.143 -> smtp2.fdn.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:59:40 -0400 Received: from jnipper (jaxtnt1-216.199.5.61.fdn.com [216.199.5.61]) by smtp2.fdn.com (Pro-8.9.3/Pro-8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA14218; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:59:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <39D67DAD.2627@southeast.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:56:42 -0700 From: Computer-Guru Reply-To: pctech@southeast.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01Gold (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James H. E. Maugham" CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I contacted all of the Staples in the Jacksonville, Florida area, and they were all "sold out" Better luck for me next time I guess! Jim -- Regards, Computer-Guru pctech@southeast.net "Error: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue." ==================== From cph Sat Sep 30 18:19:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA16004 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:19:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25582; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:18:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:15:49 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25297; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:15:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25283; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:15:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nalle.netsonic.fi (194.29.192.20 -> netsonic.fi) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:15:45 -0400 Received: from TP560X (letku107.adsl.netsonic.fi [194.29.195.107]) by nalle.netsonic.fi (8.10.1/8.10.1) with SMTP id e8UMFSu11648 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 01:15:28 +0300 Message-Id: <200009302215.e8UMFSu11648@nalle.netsonic.fi> From: Dominique Pivard Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 01:15:23 +0300 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <001101c02996$75610660$3262183f@math.hawaii.edu> Subject: Re: 560 cases X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v2.2 List-Unsubscribe: On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 at 11:52 AM you, "David Ross" , said: >Personally, I am a bit leery of the logo thing. Why not just paste a >label on the side that says, "Hey crooks! This package contains one of >the most valuable computers on the market! Steal me!" FWIW, the ThinkPad logo on the Port case for the 560 can only been seen once you open the case: it's on the top of the small pocket in which you can insert your business card. Most discrete and understated, I would say. -Dominique From cph Sat Sep 30 18:33:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id SAA16066 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:33:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26904; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:32:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:30:37 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26692; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26673; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:30:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:30:34 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA11811; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:30:21 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001301c02b2e$03d2a3c0$0562183f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: "Dominique Pivard" , References: <200009302215.e8UMFSu11648@nalle.netsonic.fi> Subject: Re: 560 cases Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 12:30:13 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: > FWIW, the ThinkPad logo on the Port case for the 560 can only been seen > once you open the case: it's on the top of the small pocket in which you > can insert your business card. Most discrete and understated, I would say. Yes; I was reacting to the case Brad described, which seems to be more blatant. Unfortunately, I couldn't find the Port case anywhere in stock for a good price; of the sub-2 pound, sub-$100 cases I could find online and in stock, the Brenthaven seemed to be the nearest thing to a Silicon Wetsuit with real protection, so I have one on order. Thanks to all, David From cph Sat Sep 30 19:05:56 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA16226 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:05:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29250; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:04:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:02:59 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29026; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:02:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29013; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:02:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.50 -> mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:02:57 -0400 Received: from att.net ([12.74.13.244]) by mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with ESMTP id <20000930230255.BFF22244.mtiwmhc25.worldnet.att.net@att.net>; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:02:55 +0000 Message-ID: <39D67118.5DF5E5C1@att.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:02:48 -0500 From: Tania X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James H. E. Maugham" CC: Jon W , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: Thanks from me too Jon- I got the last one at my nearest store as well. Because the store is 40 miles distant I had no choice but to call first. When I asked if they had any the clerk indicated they had one. I immediately asked for the manager and requested him to set it aside for me. I made sure to tell him that these were desirable and that it was no small trip for me to come and get it. He assured me that he would personally remove it from the shelf and put it away. Well an hour later I'm at the store and guess what? No drive. Bastards! A conference with the manager and a search of the store determined that the first employee I had spoken with became aware of the deal and hid it away for himself. The manager was telling him to clear out his locker as I left the store- drive in hand. No grudge against an employee trying to get a good deal, but this kid was just an out and out nimrod. In any event- Sorry I couldn't get you any Jon. Can I ask how you came by this incredible deal? Thanks again- > Thanks for the headsup Jon, I got one. I literally ran out the door and sped > over to my local Staples (Rte. 70, Marlton, NJ) where I bagged the LAST one. > > SONY CRX100E/X2. The unit was on the shelf with no closeout tag on it and when I > asked the clerk to scan it, his jaw almost hit the floor as he uttered a loud > "Holy SHIT!!"! His reaction resulted in a bit of a quiet conference between > several of the clerks which I interrupted with, "If you're thinking of getting > _this_ one for one of yourselves, please know that it _will_ cost you your job > here!". > > They VERY grudgingly handed it over. Sorry I couldn't get you one Jon. > > Thanks again, > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jon W [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:51 PM > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > Subject: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 > > > > > > 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on clearence at > > your local staples store for $79.99 > > > > HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i will buy > > it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples manager > > the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT CALL > > AND ASK !! > > > > THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected yet > > make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! > > > > > > PLease get an extra one for me !! > > > > enjoy > > > > From cph Sat Sep 30 19:26:42 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA16337 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:26:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00839; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:24:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:23:04 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00582; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:23:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA00373; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:19:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (209.187.11.98 -> nyc-28-h-98.nyc.dsl.cerfnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:19:18 -0400 Received: from miles ([192.168.1.3]) by coppi.networktest.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA28636 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:25:29 -0500 From: "David Newman" To: Subject: 760 keyboard replacements Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:19:24 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal List-Unsubscribe: I'm looking for a URL on IBM's Web site with instructions on how to replace the keyboard on a TP760. Any pointers greatly appreciated. Thanks. dn From cph Sat Sep 30 19:38:21 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id TAA16390 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:38:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01856; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:37:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:35:31 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01671; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:35:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA01652; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:35:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:35:12 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-60.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.60]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e8UNYiB31371; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:34:50 -0700 Message-ID: <39D6788D.3E0A6DEB@mail.orion.org> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 18:34:37 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: David Newman CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760 keyboard replacements References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: David Newman wrote: > > I'm looking for a URL on IBM's Web site with instructions on how to replace > the keyboard on a TP760. Any pointers greatly appreciated. Thanks. It's very easy. Use a razor knife or other similar device to carefully pop off the stickers that cover the screws (on that thin plastic strip right above the keyboard). Then remove all the screws on that strip. That plastic strip should come right off. Then unlatch the keyboard (as if you were opening it) and lift up. You will see where the keyboard is connected, just unplug it. That's pretty much it, do the reverse to install the new keyboard. The hardest part is removing the screw stickers without damaging the stickers or the finish, but that's pretty easy with a razor knife or X-acto knife. I insert the sharp point under the edge of the sticker. Tilt the knife so to not accidentally scratch the plastic. I do NOT recommend trying to remove the stickers with a flathead screwdriver or anything similarly blunt. I've bought used Thinkpads where something like that was used, and believe me, that really scums them up. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Sat Sep 30 20:12:38 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA16546 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:12:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05450; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:11:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:09:33 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA05155; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:09:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04827; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:05:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from coppi.networktest.com (209.187.11.98 -> nyc-28-h-98.nyc.dsl.cerfnet.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:05:47 -0400 Received: from networktest.com (IDENT:dnewman@[192.168.1.2]) by coppi.networktest.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA28730; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:11:56 -0500 Sender: dnewman@networktest.com Message-ID: <39D67FB6.D2DCBB6D@networktest.com> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:05:10 -0400 From: David Newman Organization: Network Test Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.14-5.0 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Shawn Lin CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760 keyboard replacements References: <39D6788D.3E0A6DEB@mail.orion.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: It was really easy with your excellent instructions. Thanks so much for the speedy reply. dn (written with my new keyboard) Shawn Lin wrote: > > David Newman wrote: > > > > I'm looking for a URL on IBM's Web site with instructions on how to replace > > the keyboard on a TP760. Any pointers greatly appreciated. Thanks. > > It's very easy. Use a razor knife or other similar device to carefully > pop off the stickers that cover the screws (on that thin plastic strip > right above the keyboard). Then remove all the screws on that strip. > That plastic strip should come right off. Then unlatch the keyboard (as > if you were opening it) and lift up. You will see where the keyboard is > connected, just unplug it. > That's pretty much it, do the reverse to install the new keyboard. > > The hardest part is removing the screw stickers without damaging the > stickers or the finish, but that's pretty easy with a razor knife or > X-acto knife. I insert the sharp point under the edge of the sticker. > Tilt the knife so to not accidentally scratch the plastic. I do NOT > recommend trying to remove the stickers with a flathead screwdriver or > anything similarly blunt. I've bought used Thinkpads where something > like that was used, and believe me, that really scums them up. > > Shawn > > ________________________________________________________ > 1stUp.com - Free the Web > Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Sat Sep 30 20:25:05 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA16588 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:25:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06850; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:23:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:22:01 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06608; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA06595; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:22:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.47 -> mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:22:00 -0400 Received: from webmail.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.135.29]) by mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001001002159.DSOF23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net>; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 00:21:59 +0000 Received: from [24.189.193.217] by webmail.worldnet.att.net; Sun, 01 Oct 2000 00:21:58 +0000 To: Tania Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" , Jon W , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 00:21:58 +0000 X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (May 2 2000) X-Authenticated-Sender: scosgt@att.net Message-Id: <20001001002159.DSOF23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> List-Unsubscribe: I got FIVE (5) Scoured Long Island, got 2 in one place and 3 in another! EBAY here I come! > Thanks from me too Jon- > > I got the last one at my nearest store as well. Because the store is 40 miles > distant I had no choice but to call first. When I asked if they had any the > clerk > indicated they had one. I immediately asked for the manager and requested him > to > set it aside for me. I made sure to tell him that these were desirable and that > it > was no small trip for me to come and get it. He assured me that he would > personally > remove it from the shelf and put it away. > > Well an hour later I'm at the store and guess what? No drive. Bastards! > > A conference with the manager and a search of the store determined that the > first > employee I had spoken with became aware of the deal and hid it away for himself. > The manager was telling him to clear out his locker as I left the store- drive > in > hand. No grudge against an employee trying to get a good deal, but this kid was > just an out and out nimrod. > > In any event- Sorry I couldn't get you any Jon. Can I ask how you came by this > incredible deal? > > Thanks again- > > > > Thanks for the headsup Jon, I got one. I literally ran out the door and sped > > over to my local Staples (Rte. 70, Marlton, NJ) where I bagged the LAST one. > > > > SONY CRX100E/X2. The unit was on the shelf with no closeout tag on it and when > I > > asked the clerk to scan it, his jaw almost hit the floor as he uttered a loud > > "Holy SHIT!!"! His reaction resulted in a bit of a quiet conference between > > several of the clerks which I interrupted with, "If you're thinking of getting > > _this_ one for one of yourselves, please know that it _will_ cost you your job > > here!". > > > > They VERY grudgingly handed it over. Sorry I couldn't get you one Jon. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > James > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jon W [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:51 PM > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > Subject: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 > > > > > > > > > 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on clearence at > > > your local staples store for $79.99 > > > > > > HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i will buy > > > it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples manager > > > the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT CALL > > > AND ASK !! > > > > > > THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected yet > > > make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! > > > > > > > > > PLease get an extra one for me !! > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > From cph Sat Sep 30 20:54:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA16711 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:54:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09164; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:53:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:51:19 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08865; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:51:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA08843; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (128.171.50.21 -> kahuna.math.hawaii.edu) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:51:16 -0400 Received: from sierpinski (robinson.math.hawaii.edu [128.171.50.251]) by kahuna.math.hawaii.edu (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA12104 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:51:04 -1000 (HST) Message-ID: <001501c02b41$ace2fec0$df8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> Reply-To: "David Ross" From: "David Ross" To: References: <39D67118.5DF5E5C1@att.net> Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 14:50:59 -1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 List-Unsubscribe: These Staples stories make me wonder whether to be sad that we don't have on here in Honolulu (which means I missed a chance at the bargains) or glad that we don't (as their staff seems not well grounded in ethical behavior). I don't know where Jon got his information, but this Staples deal (as well as one for a Yamaha desktop CD-RW that I would like to have had a shot at) were both posted at www.techbargains.com - David R. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tania" To: "James H. E. Maugham" Cc: "Jon W" ; Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 1:02 PM Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! > Thanks from me too Jon- > > I got the last one at my nearest store as well. Because the store is 40 miles > distant I had no choice but to call first. When I asked if they had any the clerk > indicated they had one. I immediately asked for the manager and requested him to > set it aside for me. I made sure to tell him that these were desirable and that it > was no small trip for me to come and get it. He assured me that he would personally > remove it from the shelf and put it away. > > Well an hour later I'm at the store and guess what? No drive. Bastards! > > A conference with the manager and a search of the store determined that the first > employee I had spoken with became aware of the deal and hid it away for himself. > The manager was telling him to clear out his locker as I left the store- drive in > hand. No grudge against an employee trying to get a good deal, but this kid was > just an out and out nimrod. > > In any event- Sorry I couldn't get you any Jon. Can I ask how you came by this > incredible deal? > > Thanks again- > > > > Thanks for the headsup Jon, I got one. I literally ran out the door and sped > > over to my local Staples (Rte. 70, Marlton, NJ) where I bagged the LAST one. > > > > SONY CRX100E/X2. The unit was on the shelf with no closeout tag on it and when I > > asked the clerk to scan it, his jaw almost hit the floor as he uttered a loud > > "Holy SHIT!!"! His reaction resulted in a bit of a quiet conference between > > several of the clerks which I interrupted with, "If you're thinking of getting > > _this_ one for one of yourselves, please know that it _will_ cost you your job > > here!". > > > > They VERY grudgingly handed it over. Sorry I couldn't get you one Jon. > > > > Thanks again, > > > > James > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Jon W [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:51 PM > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > Subject: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 > > > > > > > > > 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on clearence at > > > your local staples store for $79.99 > > > > > > HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i will buy > > > it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples manager > > > the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT CALL > > > AND ASK !! > > > > > > THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected yet > > > make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! > > > > > > > > > PLease get an extra one for me !! > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Sat Sep 30 20:55:46 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id UAA16719 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:55:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09506; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:54:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:53:12 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09112; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:53:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA09070; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:53:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scooby.lineone.net (194.75.152.224 -> doggy.lineone.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 20:53:07 -0400 Received: from hicdbs (host212-140-1-245.btinternet.com [212.140.1.245]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id BAA12688 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 01:53:01 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <200010010053.BAA12688@scooby.lineone.net> From: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" To: "thinkpad" Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2000 02:07:08 +0100 (BST) Reply-To: "Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: PMMail 2.10.2010 for OS/2 Warp 4.05 In-Reply-To: <20001001002159.DSOF23816.mtiwmhc22.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! List-Unsubscribe: X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by cs.utk.edu id UAA09506 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by zurich.ai.mit.edu id UAA16720 On Sun, 01 Oct 2000 00:21:58 +0000, scosgt@att.net wrote: >I got FIVE (5) >Scoured Long Island, got 2 in one place and 3 in another! >EBAY here I come! hehe stops around the US must have been flooded with ThinkPad users :)) þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ From cph Sat Sep 30 21:11:31 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id VAA16779 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:11:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10964; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:10:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:08:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10747; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA10734; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:08:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (199.45.39.156 -> smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:08:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (adsl-141-152-140-146.bellatlantic.net [141.152.140.146]) by smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id VAA02208; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200010010107.VAA02208@smtp-out1.bellatlantic.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:07:10 -0400 From: jim Reply-To: duh2000@bellatlantic.net Content-Type: text/enriched; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! Cc: "James H. E. Maugham" , Jon W , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu To: Tania X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.337) Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v337) List-Unsubscribe: HelveticaI bought one several months ago at = CompUSA for a closeout price of $200 :( It has been an excellent unit, I've burned perhaps 100 CD's with no = errors that couldn't be attributed to my bonehead errors. The supplied = software isn't bad, and Adaptec EZCD Creator likes it as well=20 There is a Win2K upgrade available from Sony, and I've done most of my = burning from that OS. I'd have tried to pick up a second unit, but there isn't a Staples in my = area, more's the pity. jim On Saturday, September 30, 2000, at 07:02 PM, Tania wrote: Thanks from me too = Jon-0000,0000,0000 I got the last one at my nearest store = as well. = From cph Sat Sep 30 22:15:29 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA17011 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:15:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15425; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:12:53 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15228; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:12:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inet.inetwan.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA15193; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:12:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Received: from inet.inetwan.com (139.130.91.191 -> totall1.lnk.telstra.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:12:43 -0400 Received: from john ([192.168.1.12]) by inet.inetwan.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA14823 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:14:56 +1000 Message-ID: <001501c02bdb$9b6518a0$0c01a8c0@womble.cool> To: Subject: Thinkpad 560 Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2000 12:12:56 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 List-Unsubscribe: G'day, I was wondering if any one has the pinouts for the hitachi LCD in the 560. The reason is that my 560 is dead and the LCD is fine, I believe that LCD are "AV" compatible and I was going to make a TV for the kitchen. The IBM part is PN:46h3600 and Hitachi part PN: 46h3640 and 46H3611. I have more numbers but these should be right. Hope I don't stump you all, Because the misses would really love it ! John Plumridge From cph Sat Sep 30 22:27:03 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id WAA17053 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:27:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16414; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:26:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:24:40 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16198; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:24:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA16185; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:24:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rad3.1stup.com (209.143.242.34 -> rad3.1stup.com) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:24:38 -0400 Received: from mail.orion.org (slip-32-100-176-60.mo.us.prserv.net [32.100.176.60]) by rad3.1stup.com (8.10.1/8.9.3) with ESMTP id e912ODB16703; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 19:24:13 -0700 Message-ID: <39D6A047.5F0B58E5@mail.orion.org> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 21:24:07 -0500 From: Shawn Lin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: john@plumridge.net CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Thinkpad 560 References: <001501c02bdb$9b6518a0$0c01a8c0@womble.cool> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: john@plumridge.net wrote: > > The reason is that my 560 is dead and the LCD is fine, I believe that LCD > are "AV" compatible and I was going to make a TV for the kitchen. I don't believe ANY LCD is "AV" compatible without special analog-to-digital conversion circuitry. All LCD's are digital while a TV is analog. Shawn ________________________________________________________ 1stUp.com - Free the Web Get your free Internet access at http://www.1stUp.com From cph Sat Sep 30 23:17:16 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA17211 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:17:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19518; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:16:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:14:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19270; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:14:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19257; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (156.26.1.1 -> WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:14:11 -0400 Received: from WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU by WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU (PMDF V5.1-12 #D3148) id <01JUST5YD5PC8WYMZU@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:17:47 CST Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 22:17:46 -0600 (CST) From: Jon W Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! In-reply-to: <001501c02b41$ace2fec0$df8d273f@math.hawaii.edu> To: David Ross Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII List-Unsubscribe: David, If you see carefully on www.techbargains.com site, you can see that the info was sent by "john". John, jon ...hmmmmmm :) On Sat, 30 Sep 2000, David Ross wrote: > These Staples stories make me wonder whether to be sad that we don't have on > here in Honolulu (which means > I missed a chance at the bargains) or glad that we don't (as their staff seems > not well grounded in ethical behavior). > > I don't know where Jon got his information, but this Staples deal (as well as > one for a Yamaha desktop CD-RW > that I would like to have had a shot at) were both posted at > www.techbargains.com > > - David R. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tania" > To: "James H. E. Maugham" > Cc: "Jon W" ; > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 1:02 PM > Subject: Re: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 - BAGGED ONE!!! > > > > Thanks from me too Jon- > > > > I got the last one at my nearest store as well. Because the store is 40 > miles > > distant I had no choice but to call first. When I asked if they had any the > clerk > > indicated they had one. I immediately asked for the manager and requested > him to > > set it aside for me. I made sure to tell him that these were desirable and > that it > > was no small trip for me to come and get it. He assured me that he would > personally > > remove it from the shelf and put it away. > > > > Well an hour later I'm at the store and guess what? No drive. Bastards! > > > > A conference with the manager and a search of the store determined that the > first > > employee I had spoken with became aware of the deal and hid it away for > himself. > > The manager was telling him to clear out his locker as I left the store- > drive in > > hand. No grudge against an employee trying to get a good deal, but this kid > was > > just an out and out nimrod. > > > > In any event- Sorry I couldn't get you any Jon. Can I ask how you came by > this > > incredible deal? > > > > Thanks again- > > > > > > > Thanks for the headsup Jon, I got one. I literally ran out the door and > sped > > > over to my local Staples (Rte. 70, Marlton, NJ) where I bagged the LAST > one. > > > > > > SONY CRX100E/X2. The unit was on the shelf with no closeout tag on it and > when I > > > asked the clerk to scan it, his jaw almost hit the floor as he uttered a > loud > > > "Holy SHIT!!"! His reaction resulted in a bit of a quiet conference between > > > several of the clerks which I interrupted with, "If you're thinking of > getting > > > _this_ one for one of yourselves, please know that it _will_ cost you your > job > > > here!". > > > > > > They VERY grudgingly handed it over. Sorry I couldn't get you one Jon. > > > > > > Thanks again, > > > > > > James > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Jon W [mailto:jfwee@WSUHUB.UC.TWSU.EDU] > > > > Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:51 PM > > > > To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > > > > Subject: External USB sony CD-RW $79.99 > > > > > > > > > > > > 4x 4x 6x sony spressa external cdrw usb retial $279.99 on clearence at > > > > your local staples store for $79.99 > > > > > > > > HURRY UP ! if anyone can locate 2 of these please let me know, i will buy > > > > it from you ! all sold out on my area , according to the staples manager > > > > the store clerks snatch all these babies up themselves ! SO DO NOT CALL > > > > AND ASK !! > > > > > > > > THe SKU# is 432-438 in some store the discount is not reflected yet > > > > make sure to ask the manager to double check the sku & price !! > > > > > > > > > > > > PLease get an extra one for me !! > > > > > > > > enjoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From cph Sat Sep 30 23:19:13 2000 Received: from cs.utk.edu (CS.UTK.EDU [128.169.94.1]) by zurich.ai.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-21) with ESMTP id XAA17217 for ; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:19:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19939; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:17:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by cs.utk.edu (bulk_mailer v1.13); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:16:14 -0400 Received: by cs.utk.edu (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19569; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:16:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (marvin@localhost) by cs.utk.edu with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19556; Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:16:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (204.127.131.46 -> mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net) by cs.utk.edu (smtpshim v1.0); Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:16:12 -0400 Received: from compaq ([12.79.5.195]) by mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net (InterMail vM.4.01.02.39 201-229-119-122) with SMTP id <20001001031610.FBMB9211.mtiwmhc21.worldnet.att.net@compaq>; Sun, 1 Oct 2000 03:16:10 +0000 Message-ID: <39D6ACE5.488C@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2000 23:17:57 -0400 From: Bruce Markowitz Reply-To: scosgt@worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jon W CC: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: PCI expansion with selecta dock ? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit List-Unsubscribe: I have been using a Creative Banshee Voodo (3DFX) in a SelectaDock 3 for over a year. Works great. The ATI Rage Pro did not seem to work properly (but I think there is a BIOS update for that issue now). Jon W wrote: > > any one had any experience on running a 3d graphics accelerator geforce, > tnt ..etc using a selctadock or selecta base ? HOw reliable are these > expansion machine ?? Thinking of getting 30 gig 7200 rpm internal 30 gig > hdd, and a cdrw on the selectadock III.