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On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 00:23:10 +1200, Don Hills wrote:

>Ray Bay <canyonlands@theriver.com> wrote:
>>Back when that 28.8 MWave came out in the 760ED, I had 3000 of them to
>>maintain. It was a major nightmare of failure after failure.
>
>That was true under Windows. They were rock solid running under OS/2.
>I spent almost a year working at a remote site, dialled into the office for
>7 or 8 hours per day. No problems. I have a long list of modems I've tried
>and discarded over the years, the only ones I've been completely happy with
>have been the MWave and the USR Sportster.
>
At what speed under OS/2?  I had the same problems going at 28.8 and 33.6.
9600/14.4 is not reasonable when you're advertising the modem as 28.8.




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Paul, et. al:

I've got a bunch of 755 CD batteries.  Will they work
for the CE?  I can sell them fairly inexpensively.

Mitchell

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 3:08 PM
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On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:05:22 +0200, Kestas wrote:

>Hi,
>Does anybody knows more info about 755ce battery pinouts
>When I connect other type of battery to TP it works fine but did not
>detect battery when I want upgrade system.Some days ago I got TP from
>EBAY but without battery

You need to use the ThinkPad 750 battery with the internal microprocessor on
the 755 series.  I encountered the same problem on my 755C when I got it,
which meant I had to take my 750 out of service (and replaced it with a 360
so I could use the battery).

You might be able to get the battery to charge when the machine is powered
off, but it
will not charge when the machine is on, and it won't show battery status.

Paul


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Its like the financial district on christmas morning around the list..
where IS everyone..??
if i were not receiving spam and double messages from the list, there would
be NOTHING in this mailbox..!  :-)

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I apologise for this commercial post..

I have been running a memory special on http://thinkpads.com
256meg IBM memory at $315 for existing customers..
i'll extend that to list members as well..

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they SHOULD work in the CE..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitchell Yee" <myee@innoventry.com>
To: "'Paul Khoury'" <pkhoury@loop.com>; <kestas@fedingas.lt>
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> Paul, et. al:
>
> I've got a bunch of 755 CD batteries.  Will they work
> for the CE?  I can sell them fairly inexpensively.
>
> Mitchell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Khoury [mailto:pkhoury@loop.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 3:08 PM
> To: kestas@fedingas.lt
> Cc: ThinkPad List
> Subject: Re: TP 755ce battery info
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:05:22 +0200, Kestas wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >Does anybody knows more info about 755ce battery pinouts
> >When I connect other type of battery to TP it works fine but did not
> >detect battery when I want upgrade system.Some days ago I got TP from
> >EBAY but without battery
>
> You need to use the ThinkPad 750 battery with the internal microprocessor
on
> the 755 series.  I encountered the same problem on my 755C when I got it,
> which meant I had to take my 750 out of service (and replaced it with a
360
> so I could use the battery).
>
> You might be able to get the battery to charge when the machine is powered
> off, but it
> will not charge when the machine is on, and it won't show battery status.
>
> Paul
>
>


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CD batteries work in the CE (755CE -- not the 750CE).
The 755CD\CE\CDV\CX all share battery compatibility ---

One exception is that the white Li-Ion batteries are only supported in units
with Pentium75 processors.....

Have a Great Day,
Denis Hall, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
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kestas@fedingas.lt <kestas@fedingas.lt>
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Date: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:56 PM
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>they SHOULD work in the CE..
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Mitchell Yee" <myee@innoventry.com>
>To: "'Paul Khoury'" <pkhoury@loop.com>; <kestas@fedingas.lt>
>Cc: "ThinkPad List" <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
>Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:41 PM
>Subject: RE: TP 755ce battery info
>
>
>> Paul, et. al:
>>
>> I've got a bunch of 755 CD batteries.  Will they work
>> for the CE?  I can sell them fairly inexpensively.
>>
>> Mitchell
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Paul Khoury [mailto:pkhoury@loop.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 3:08 PM
>> To: kestas@fedingas.lt
>> Cc: ThinkPad List
>> Subject: Re: TP 755ce battery info
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:05:22 +0200, Kestas wrote:
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >Does anybody knows more info about 755ce battery pinouts
>> >When I connect other type of battery to TP it works fine but did not
>> >detect battery when I want upgrade system.Some days ago I got TP from
>> >EBAY but without battery
>>
>> You need to use the ThinkPad 750 battery with the internal microprocessor
>on
>> the 755 series.  I encountered the same problem on my 755C when I got it,
>> which meant I had to take my 750 out of service (and replaced it with a
>360
>> so I could use the battery).
>>
>> You might be able to get the battery to charge when the machine is
powered
>> off, but it
>> will not charge when the machine is on, and it won't show battery status.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>


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The 85G1513 NiMH battery will work in the CE and CSE, but none of the Li-IONs
will as they require a Pentium processor in the system (ergo only with the
Pentium CX, CV and CD).

All of the 760 NiMH batteries will work in the CE and CSE as well and are
frequently easier to find.

Regards,

James

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitchell Yee [mailto:myee@innoventry.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:42 PM
> To: 'Paul Khoury'; kestas@fedingas.lt
> Cc: ThinkPad List
> Subject: RE: TP 755ce battery info
>
>
> Paul, et. al:
>
> I've got a bunch of 755 CD batteries.  Will they work
> for the CE?  I can sell them fairly inexpensively.
>
> Mitchell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Khoury [mailto:pkhoury@loop.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 3:08 PM
> To: kestas@fedingas.lt
> Cc: ThinkPad List
> Subject: Re: TP 755ce battery info
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:05:22 +0200, Kestas wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >Does anybody knows more info about 755ce battery pinouts
> >When I connect other type of battery to TP it works fine but did not
> >detect battery when I want upgrade system.Some days ago I got TP from
> >EBAY but without battery
>
> You need to use the ThinkPad 750 battery with the internal microprocessor on
> the 755 series.  I encountered the same problem on my 755C when I got it,
> which meant I had to take my 750 out of service (and replaced it with a 360
> so I could use the battery).
>
> You might be able to get the battery to charge when the machine is powered
> off, but it
> will not charge when the machine is on, and it won't show battery status.
>
> Paul
>


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thanks for the info.  I've got quite a few of the Lithium
batteries.  They're new.  Take as many as you want for $50
plus shipping.

-----Original Message-----
From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com]
Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 11:17 AM
To: Mitchell Yee; 'Paul Khoury'; kestas@fedingas.lt
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Subject: RE: TP 755ce battery info


The 85G1513 NiMH battery will work in the CE and CSE, but none of the
Li-IONs
will as they require a Pentium processor in the system (ergo only with the
Pentium CX, CV and CD).

All of the 760 NiMH batteries will work in the CE and CSE as well and are
frequently easier to find.

Regards,

James

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mitchell Yee [mailto:myee@innoventry.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 01, 2000 12:42 PM
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> Subject: RE: TP 755ce battery info
>
>
> Paul, et. al:
>
> I've got a bunch of 755 CD batteries.  Will they work
> for the CE?  I can sell them fairly inexpensively.
>
> Mitchell
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Khoury [mailto:pkhoury@loop.com]
> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 3:08 PM
> To: kestas@fedingas.lt
> Cc: ThinkPad List
> Subject: Re: TP 755ce battery info
>
>
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:05:22 +0200, Kestas wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >Does anybody knows more info about 755ce battery pinouts
> >When I connect other type of battery to TP it works fine but did not
> >detect battery when I want upgrade system.Some days ago I got TP from
> >EBAY but without battery
>
> You need to use the ThinkPad 750 battery with the internal microprocessor
on
> the 755 series.  I encountered the same problem on my 755C when I got it,
> which meant I had to take my 750 out of service (and replaced it with a
360
> so I could use the battery).
>
> You might be able to get the battery to charge when the machine is powered
> off, but it
> will not charge when the machine is on, and it won't show battery status.
>
> Paul
>

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I have an opportunity to buy a ThinkPad i1250 at a good price, but I
couldn't find anything on how Linux runs on this one. If anyone out there is
either running Linux successfully on i1250, or could not get it to run at
all, please let me know.

How does Linux like the i-series in general?

Thanx.

--
Pawel


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I can't speak about Linux, but I can speak about my i1451 and i1480.

My main OpenBSD machine is my i1480, where I have everything but
the DVD and winmodem working.  This means that the trackpoint was
seen as a PS/2 mouse (/dev/psm0), the sound works, the video chip
set (ati mobility p) is supported, etc.  All in all the i1480 has been a
great machine for me and OpenBSD.

I suspect that your biggest problem might be the sound card--I don't
remember that it uses, but when I saw it I had the vague feeling that
it wouldn't work under OpenBSD, but I might be wrong on that.

--STeve Andre'

At 03:54 PM 12/1/00 -0500, Pawel Czarny wrote:
>I have an opportunity to buy a ThinkPad i1250 at a good price, but I
>couldn't find anything on how Linux runs on this one. If anyone out there is
>either running Linux successfully on i1250, or could not get it to run at
>all, please let me know.
>
>How does Linux like the i-series in general?
>
>Thanx.
>
>--
>Pawel


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Kate:

The 32MB module for the 701 (also works in the 701C) comes up 
from time to time on ebay.  Due to supply, I don't think it is 
ever again going to be as cheap per MB as the more modern forms 
of RAM.  You might expect to pay in the $us70 to $us90 range, 
which is less than the retail price for new parts.

In article <3A25065A.3BEFDAF9@bored.lexxdog.com>,
Kate Ross <kate@bored.lexxdog.com> wrote:
>I'm looking for a 32MB module for a 701CS if anyone has one for sale or
>knows of a cheap source. Thank you.
>
>Kate
>


-- 
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Actually Emanuel, I do have the card in the machine, there' is even the 
socket to plug the video out cable in.

The video out cable came with the machine as well, so I beleive all the 
Hardware is there (I will have to double check) but I need a software 
solution.
Has anyone got the video --> TV out port working on a 600E?

Cheers
Jake


On Sun, 26 Nov 2000 19:04:28 GMT, Emanuel Brown wrote:

>       I've been thinking of attempting to do this myself, but haven't
>tried it. According to the hardware maintenance manual for the 600E,
>this is simply a card on the systemboard that's left off for some
>models. I *looks* as if all you need to do is get the card, plug it
>in, and punch out the bit of plastic covering where the jack would go.
>Knowing computers, I suspect it's not that simple. If you give it a
>try, I'd like to hear about the results.

interesting. if its only a 'card' then our first problem is to find one or 
two :)

is there some manual that gives details like serial numbers of ThinkPad 
components?
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Can someone help Valerie?  Please CC reply to her as she is not
on any of these lists.

Basically she needs either IBM keycaps, or some transparent
stick-on label solution.  In fact I source the latter here in
Bangkok to add Thai glyphs to my keytops; perhaps something
similar exists in an English-speaking country.  If so please
advise vendor/partnumber/distribution channel.

I am myself interested in the answer to this question.

Jeffrey Race

>From: "Valerie" <althea98@ix.netcom.com>
>To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" <jrace@attglobal.net>
>Subject: Re: IBM keyboards?
>Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:51:44 -0500

Hello,

Thank you so much for all your kind help.  Unfortunately, bluestarusa.com
didn't have what I need. I don't need an entire new keyboard, just either
new "tops" for the keys, or stickers that cover the existing keys.  If the
only way to go is a totally new keyboard, I'm afraid it is going to cost
just as much as what I sold the bloody thing for. Is it outrageously
expensive to replace the entire keyboard?

[JR recommends Bluestar]

On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:27:49 -0500, Valerie wrote:

[snip]
>Hi,
>
>You don't know me, but I got your email off a list I found while
doing a search on google.  I am in dire straits here, and would really
appreciate any help you could give me?  I have sold my old IBM 385xd
(or dx??) laptop to a friend, and didn't even realize half the letters
are so worn off (the labels) they are unreadable.  As she is not a
touch typist, she needs to see the "E" and the "U", etc.  In your
post, you mention that you have to replace your keyboards?  Do you
know where I could buy keys to replace mine?  I called IBM and they
were of no help whatsoever.  I would appreciate any comments you might
have.  (The keys work fine, you just can't read a lot of them)
>
>Thank you for your time,
>Valerie
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I can't say (without the part number or the exact model#) but a new keyboard
should not cost more than $50 USD..
replacing the old with the new should not take more than a half hour at
most..
keytops are not generally available..

no idea about a source for stick on labels, other than a pen and some sticky
labels..  :-)

hope this helps.

Bill Morrow
http://thinkpads.com

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> Can someone help Valerie?  Please CC reply to her as she is not
> on any of these lists.
>
> Basically she needs either IBM keycaps, or some transparent
> stick-on label solution.  In fact I source the latter here in
> Bangkok to add Thai glyphs to my keytops; perhaps something
> similar exists in an English-speaking country.  If so please
> advise vendor/partnumber/distribution channel.
>
> I am myself interested in the answer to this question.
>
> Jeffrey Race
>
> >From: "Valerie" <althea98@ix.netcom.com>
> >To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" <jrace@attglobal.net>
> >Subject: Re: IBM keyboards?
> >Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:51:44 -0500
>
> Hello,
>
> Thank you so much for all your kind help.  Unfortunately, bluestarusa.com
> didn't have what I need. I don't need an entire new keyboard, just either
> new "tops" for the keys, or stickers that cover the existing keys.  If the
> only way to go is a totally new keyboard, I'm afraid it is going to cost
> just as much as what I sold the bloody thing for. Is it outrageously
> expensive to replace the entire keyboard?
>
> [JR recommends Bluestar]
>
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 22:27:49 -0500, Valerie wrote:
>
> [snip]
> >Hi,
> >
> >You don't know me, but I got your email off a list I found while
> doing a search on google.  I am in dire straits here, and would really
> appreciate any help you could give me?  I have sold my old IBM 385xd
> (or dx??) laptop to a friend, and didn't even realize half the letters
> are so worn off (the labels) they are unreadable.  As she is not a
> touch typist, she needs to see the "E" and the "U", etc.  In your
> post, you mention that you have to replace your keyboards?  Do you
> know where I could buy keys to replace mine?  I called IBM and they
> were of no help whatsoever.  I would appreciate any comments you might
> have.  (The keys work fine, you just can't read a lot of them)
> >
> >Thank you for your time,
> >Valerie
> ===================END FORWARDED MESSAGE===================
>
>
>


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You could try a hobby shop (or other place where plastic model kits can
be bought) to see if they have any decals that could be applied to the
existing keys.  This would look much better than "hand-painted" letters
and is far cheaper than a new keyboard.  Decals tend to be a little more
susceptible to wear, though.

Dave


> -----Original Message-----
> [snip]
> ... no idea about a source for stick on labels,
> other than a pen and some sticky labels..  :-)
> [snip]


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On Fri, 1 Dec 2000 14:16:32 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote:

>The 85G1513 NiMH battery will work in the CE and CSE, but none of the Li-IONs
>will as they require a Pentium processor in the system (ergo only with the
>Pentium CX, CV and CD).
>
>All of the 760 NiMH batteries will work in the CE and CSE as well and are
>frequently easier to find.

Will the 760 Li-ION batteries work in the 755CX, and other 755 Pentiums?
Since my 760ED is non-functional, I'm thinking of springing for a 755CX
or some Pentium 755 on eBay.  Any comments?  Eventually, I'd like to
get a 600.

Paul



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Paul,

"Paul Khoury" <pkhoury@loop.com> wrote:

> Will the 760 Li-ION batteries work in the 755CX, and other 755 Pentiums?
> Since my 760ED is non-functional, I'm thinking of springing for a 755CX
> or some Pentium 755 on eBay.  Any comments?  Eventually, I'd like to
> get a 600.

Yes, the 760 Li-ION batteries will work in Pentium 755s. And most 755 HDs
and accessories will work in the 760 series. Why Big Blue didn't carry this
uniformity across the 770 line also I'll never understand. They certainly
had the room and it would have been a major selling point IMHO.

Rather than looking for a Pentium CX or CD, contact Denis Hall and check his
availability of 760s. A P166/MMX 760XL with a 12.1" TFT would be a _much_
better bridge to your eventual 600 purchase (which you're going to LOVE!)
and wouldn't be _that_ much more money.

Regards,

James


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"Paul Khoury" <pkhoury@loop.com> wrote:

>At what speed under OS/2?  I had the same problems going at 28.8 and 33.6.
>9600/14.4 is not reasonable when you're advertising the modem as 28.8.

28.8 K. I used to use it at home too because it was more reliable than the
several modems I tried on my home PC, so when I left the company and had to
give their 760C back I bought a USR Sportster. The Mwave and the USR are the
only 2 modems I have found that will not drop the connection when my wife
picks up the extension phone and tries to dial out while I'm online... and
they retrain and continue working after she hangs up.

--
Don Hills    (dmhills at attglobaldotnet)     Wellington, New Zealand

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Here are a couple web sites that may be able to help:

http://www.fentek-ind.com/labels.htm

http://www.customkeys.com/

Paul




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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 06:58:31 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote:

>Paul,
>
>"Paul Khoury" <pkhoury@loop.com> wrote:
>
>> Will the 760 Li-ION batteries work in the 755CX, and other 755 Pentiums?
>> Since my 760ED is non-functional, I'm thinking of springing for a 755CX
>> or some Pentium 755 on eBay.  Any comments?  Eventually, I'd like to
>> get a 600.
>
>Yes, the 760 Li-ION batteries will work in Pentium 755s. And most 755 HDs
>and accessories will work in the 760 series. Why Big Blue didn't carry this
>uniformity across the 770 line also I'll never understand. They certainly
>had the room and it would have been a major selling point IMHO.
>
>Rather than looking for a Pentium CX or CD, contact Denis Hall and check his
>availability of 760s. A P166/MMX 760XL with a 12.1" TFT would be a _much_
>better bridge to your eventual 600 purchase (which you're going to LOVE!)
>and wouldn't be _that_ much more money.
>
Hmmm... Not sure I want another 760 at this point.  How much do the 760XL's
run usually?  I think I've seen 600's on eBay for about $600, so that's the most
I want to spend (after I save up a bit).  I can't believe I'm finally in college, using the
same 701CS I used in High School (it'll be 5 years old on March 6). ;)

Are anything from the 760 compatible with the 600?  I have RAM, HD, and battieries.
I think the HD is a different caddy, right?  As for OS, I'd like to run Windows 2000.

Paul



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Paul Khoury [mailto:pkhoury@loop.com] wrote:

> Hmmm... Not sure I want another 760 at this point.  How much do the 760XL's
> run usually?

Between $350 and $450 recently on eBay, although I've seen a few go for as
little as $300.

> I think I've seen 600's on eBay for about $600, so
> that's the most I want to spend (after I save up a bit).

Well, HIGH $600 maybe. But they appear to be running right around $800 for the
PII 266 unit. Faster processors are more. These prices will almost certainly go
up as Xmas approaches.

> I can't believe I'm finally in college, using the
> same 701CS I used in High School (it'll be 5 years old on March 6). ;)

Quality is timeless! ;-)

> Are anything from the 760 compatible with the 600?  I have RAM, HD,
> and battieries.
> I think the HD is a different caddy, right?  As for OS, I'd like to
> run Windows 2000.

Nothing from the 760 is compatible with the 600 except possibly the HD IF it's a
slim (12.5MM) drive, and even then you need a new carrier, not a caddy.

W2K is my preferred OS since Beta2! Runs 24/7 on my 600s and I've NEVER seen a
BSOD on them.

Regards,

James


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On Sat, 2 Dec 2000 14:43:10 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote:

>> I think I've seen 600's on eBay for about $600, so
>> that's the most I want to spend (after I save up a bit).
>
>Well, HIGH $600 maybe. But they appear to be running right around $800 for the
>PII 266 unit. Faster processors are more. These prices will almost certainly go
>up as Xmas approaches.
>
Doh.  I'm hoping if my stocks go up, perhaps I can buy either a 770 or 600.
I turn 21 on Dec 12th (how time flies - I've been on the list since high school).

>Quality is timeless! ;-)
=)

Depending on what you define as quality.  I'd say in another 6-12 months, the hinge
will finally be cracked. :(

>Nothing from the 760 is compatible with the 600 except possibly the HD IF it's a
>slim (12.5MM) drive, and even then you need a new carrier, not a caddy.
>
Doh - the drive I have is a 17mm 5.1GB.

>W2K is my preferred OS since Beta2! Runs 24/7 on my 600s and I've NEVER seen a
>BSOD on them.
>
I wouldn't say that, but it's way better than 98 or NT4.




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Okay, I'm thinking of finally buying a more recent machine,
so from list experiences, which is the the best machine for general use?
I think the 600 is lighter, and the 770 is heavier, but I've used a 760ED and this
701CS for everyday use (including going everywhere).

Any issues on problems, etc?  I'd like to run Windows 2000, and DVD upgradbility,
or already having DVD is definately a must.

I'll make this like a 21st b-day present to myself. ;-)

Thanks all,

Paul



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I did a quick Google search on "key top labels" and found the following
site which may seems as if it may solve Valerie's problem for $14.95.

www.hooleon.com/lan-ov.htm 

Regards, Neil

Neil Dickinson

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Paul..
the 600 is a terrific machine..
there were, i heard, 2 million made..
the 770Z is a wonderful machine..
supports up to 512meg and hot swap HDD's in the ultrabay..
(using w2k)..
only you can decide..
its hard to find a 600 with DVD and hardware DVD is harder.. :-)
the 770Z has it all, as long as you get one with the EVA..

----- Original Message -----
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> Okay, I'm thinking of finally buying a more recent machine,
> so from list experiences, which is the the best machine for general use?
> I think the 600 is lighter, and the 770 is heavier, but I've used a 760ED
and this
> 701CS for everyday use (including going everywhere).
>
> Any issues on problems, etc?  I'd like to run Windows 2000, and DVD
upgradbility,
> or already having DVD is definately a must.
>
> I'll make this like a 21st b-day present to myself. ;-)
>
> Thanks all,
>
> Paul
>
>
>


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On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 01:05:46 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote:

>Paul..
>the 600 is a terrific machine..
>there were, i heard, 2 million made..
>the 770Z is a wonderful machine..
>supports up to 512meg and hot swap HDD's in the ultrabay..
>(using w2k)..
>only you can decide..
>its hard to find a 600 with DVD and hardware DVD is harder.. :-)
>the 770Z has it all, as long as you get one with the EVA..
>
Hmmm....

I'm eyeing either a 600 or 600e, and I forgot what model
numbers the 770 has.  I'd like to stay below $800 if possible.

Paul



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I got a 600E from western computer for US$1900.00 with
DVD and TV Out, 128 mb RAM, Win 98, 10 gb hd.  I repartitioned
and am running OS/2, happy as can be.
<westcomp@netscape.net>

Jeffrey Race

On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 01:05:46 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote:

>Paul..
>the 600 is a terrific machine..
>there were, i heard, 2 million made..
>the 770Z is a wonderful machine..
>supports up to 512meg and hot swap HDD's in the ultrabay..
>(using w2k)..
>only you can decide..
>its hard to find a 600 with DVD and hardware DVD is harder.


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Hey folks,

	Like many here, I've been a loyal thinkpad user for a long time; after
deciding that my old IBM Personal Computer AT simply had to go (dinosaur
hung around a little while) I enjoyed a 755cse for a while and now for a
short time a 380ed.  Both very enjoyable and reliable machines, and
wonderful to write papers on (I'm a Junior at Notre Dame).


	Does anyone have any suggestions on how I might get hold of a recovery cd
for a 380XD?  I'm looking into replacing my 380ed w/ a 380XD for the added
processing power and larger hard drive.  The unit I'm getting though is an
ex-hospital unit, and they removed and destroyed the hard drive for
security purposes.  As a result I'll most likely get the machine for under
$400 and pick up a new travelstar 6gn for cheap on eBay; however I'd really
like to get hold of a restore cd in order to have the unit (virtually) in
like-new condition.

	Thanks for any help and cost estimates people might be able to give.

Pax Dei,
Nathaniel Hannan

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At 09:46 PM 12/2/00 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote:
>Okay, I'm thinking of finally buying a more recent machine,
>so from list experiences, which is the the best machine for general use?
>I think the 600 is lighter, and the 770 is heavier, but I've used a 760ED and this
>701CS for everyday use (including going everywhere).

Brief and subjective reaction, comparing 770ED to 600X:

The 600X is way faster (mine was 500MHz, vs. 266MHz 770ED), ridiculously light and compact, and ran Win98 surprisingly stably.  The 600X video was so-so, the sound was fine, the features were fine.  And you can absolutely get a DVD for it.

Overall I loved the 600X as compared to the 770ED.  For the price of a slightly smaller screen, less video RAM, slightly inferior power savings, and no hot-swapping of devices, I got a very powerful, very portable machine that I just loved.

I have no idea how Win2000 runs on either, nor have I touched a 770X, nor do I have a clue what the prices on these things are these days.  I'd be pleasantly surprised if a good 600 were available for $900.

- Ken
kenzo(at)free-music.com


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On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 03:27:58 -0500, you wrote:

>At 09:46 PM 12/2/00 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote:
>>Okay, I'm thinking of finally buying a more recent machine,
>>so from list experiences, which is the the best machine for general use?
>>I think the 600 is lighter, and the 770 is heavier, but I've used a 760ED and this
>>701CS for everyday use (including going everywhere).
>
>Brief and subjective reaction, comparing 770ED to 600X:
>
>The 600X is way faster (mine was 500MHz, vs. 266MHz 770ED), ridiculously light and compact, and ran Win98 surprisingly stably.  The 600X video was so-so, the sound was fine, the features were fine.  And you can absolutely get a DVD for it.
>
>Overall I loved the 600X as compared to the 770ED.  For the price of a slightly smaller screen, less video RAM, slightly inferior power savings, and no hot-swapping of devices, I got a very powerful, very portable machine that I just loved.
>
>I have no idea how Win2000 runs on either, nor have I touched a 770X, nor do I have a clue what the prices on these things are these days.  I'd be pleasantly surprised if a good 600 were available for $900.
>

	The 600E is running $900-$1200 on eBay depending on options, from
what I've seen. I've noticed some flyers and sinkers in there (some
for $900, others for $1800) but some patient browsing and sniping will
land one in the above price range (I paid $1175 for mine).
	I've seen some MMX models going for $700 or so, but by the time you
add in the Margi card and DVD drive you're back up in 600E territory
anyway, so if you want DVD-movie capability I wouldn't bother.
	You stand a better chance of finding a 770 in your price range,
from what I've seen. I feel the 770 doesn't offer enough of a power
advantage to warrant hauling around another 2-3 lbs, but that's just
me.
	Emanuel 
"Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car;
most people settle for the car." Chris Titus
1983 911 SC
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Hey folks,

1) I own a TP600X - 650Mhz -2645-9fg . I t is under W2K.

I need a recovery cd under WIN98 . Can somebody help me ?

I am in Paris.

2) I just bought a X20 under W2K : it is a terrific machine !! Highly
recomanded

3) Bill Morow : I received your 256Mo DRAM and I will order another one
soon. Thanks

BR


Yves Soussi  Avec La Messagerie Lotus Notes & Domino V5 -



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On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 09:21:17 GMT, Emanuel Brown wrote:

>On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 03:27:58 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>At 09:46 PM 12/2/00 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote:
>>>Okay, I'm thinking of finally buying a more recent machine,
>>>so from list experiences, which is the the best machine for general use?
>>>I think the 600 is lighter, and the 770 is heavier, but I've used a 760ED and this
>>>701CS for everyday use (including going everywhere).
>>
>>Brief and subjective reaction, comparing 770ED to 600X:
>>
>>The 600X is way faster (mine was 500MHz, vs. 266MHz 770ED), ridiculously light and compact, and ran Win98 
surprisingly stably.  The 600X video was so-so, the sound was fine, the features were fine.  And you can absolutely get 
a DVD for it.
>>
>>Overall I loved the 600X as compared to the 770ED.  For the price of a slightly smaller screen, less video RAM, 
slightly inferior power savings, and no hot-swapping of devices, I got a very powerful, very portable machine that I just 
loved.
>>
>>I have no idea how Win2000 runs on either, nor have I touched a 770X, nor do I have a clue what the prices on 
these things are these days.  I'd be pleasantly surprised if a good 600 were available for $900.
>>
>
>	The 600E is running $900-$1200 on eBay depending on options, from
>what I've seen. I've noticed some flyers and sinkers in there (some
>for $900, others for $1800) but some patient browsing and sniping will
>land one in the above price range (I paid $1175 for mine).
>	I've seen some MMX models going for $700 or so, but by the time you
>add in the Margi card and DVD drive you're back up in 600E territory
>anyway, so if you want DVD-movie capability I wouldn't bother.
>	You stand a better chance of finding a 770 in your price range,
>from what I've seen. I feel the 770 doesn't offer enough of a power
>advantage to warrant hauling around another 2-3 lbs, but that's just
>me.

So can I add in an internal DVD drive for the 600E?  I really don't want an external
drive if at all possible.  Pentium II minimum would be desirable.
As for the comparisons with, I wish I knew the model numbers - anything with
X or Z at the end is probably out of my price range...

Are there any PII 770 machines?  I assume of course you can swap the HD, etc with the
600E?

Paul



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On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 02:27:07 -0800, you wrote:
>So can I add in an internal DVD drive for the 600E?  I really don't want an external
>drive if at all possible.  Pentium II minimum would be desirable.
>As for the comparisons with, I wish I knew the model numbers - anything with
>X or Z at the end is probably out of my price range...

	I bought my 600E with the CD-ROM and bought my DVD drive on eBay
for $75 the same day. I already had a Margi card, but it turns out
that changing to PowerDVD makes software  MPEG-2 decoding more than
good enough. I still kept the Margi pc card since it lets me have
video out.
	As for the 770 models, the prices I came up with are for plain-jane
770s with DVD and the video enhancement card, so you should be fine
for DVD playback, but I think they were all MMX models. 
	Emanuel
"Everybody wants a normal life and a cool car;
most people settle for the car." Chris Titus
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 I've got both a 600 and a 770ED.  The 770 is a great machine, but one you
going to want to leave in one spot (like on a Selectadock III): it is big!
The 600 will go anywhere you go:  pop in a wireless NIC card and your surfin
the net on the patio!

As for the build quality of the two machines, I give the nod to the 770.  It
has been built to a very high standard and should give years of service.
The 600 feels a little flimsy by comparison.

Also, the DEVA card is great for DVDs and video in/out.  It's only available
on the 770.

Regards,

Neil
numerous thinkpads

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Morrow
To: Paul Khoury; ThinkPad List
Sent: 12/3/00 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: Which is better: TP600 or TP770

Paul..
the 600 is a terrific machine..
there were, i heard, 2 million made..
the 770Z is a wonderful machine..
supports up to 512meg and hot swap HDD's in the ultrabay..
(using w2k)..
only you can decide..
its hard to find a 600 with DVD and hardware DVD is harder.. :-)
the 770Z has it all, as long as you get one with the EVA..

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Khoury" <pkhoury@loop.com>
To: "ThinkPad List" <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 12:46 AM
Subject: Which is better: TP600 or TP770


> Okay, I'm thinking of finally buying a more recent machine,
> so from list experiences, which is the the best machine for general
use?
> I think the 600 is lighter, and the 770 is heavier, but I've used a
760ED
and this
> 701CS for everyday use (including going everywhere).
>
> Any issues on problems, etc?  I'd like to run Windows 2000, and DVD
upgradbility,
> or already having DVD is definately a must.
>
> I'll make this like a 21st b-day present to myself. ;-)
>
> Thanks all,
>
> Paul
>
>
>


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Subject: RE: TP600X - 650Mhz -2645-9fg - recovery cd WIN98
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Yves,

Yves.Soussi@penuries.com [mailto:Yves.Soussi@penuries.com] wrote:

> 1) I own a TP600X - 650Mhz -2645-9fg . It is under W2K.
>
> I need a recovery cd under WIN98 . Can somebody help me ?

Is it your intent to make this a W98 machine rather than W2K? I would strongly
urge you to re-consider this step as W2K runs with so much more stability on the
600 vs. W98.

If you simply want to add W98 to the machine, a recovery CD is _not_ the means
to do it, you need a retail copy of W98. You cannot use two different IBM
recovery CDs to load two operating systems, as they will both _only_ load to the
C: partition of the drive and will over-write each other. Neither CD contains a
retail copy of the OS, but rather a drive image of the OS as installed on the
relevant system.

Even with a retail copy of W98, if you want to retain your install of W2K and
have a dual boot machine, you'll need something like BootManager or similar. Or,
if you were able to obtain a recovery CD in W98 for your system, you could use
that to install W98 to your C: partition and then use a retail copy of W2K to
install to your D: partition. W2K will automatically load the boot manager to
the C: partition so you can dual boot the machine if you choose this option
during installation, which I strongly recommend.

Regards,

James



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Paul Khoury [mailto:pkhoury@loop.com] wrote:

> So can I add in an internal DVD drive for the 600E?  I really don't
> want an external drive if at all possible.

Yes, the 600E will take both the 2X and 6X internal DVD in the Ultrabay and is
the minimum setup to watch DVDs without having to install a Margi card. A
PII/266 600 can't run a DVD well without hardware help while the PII/300 600E
will show a DVD just fine with software decode only.

> Pentium II minimum would be desirable.

All 600Es are Pentium II machines, from 300MHz to 400MHz. Some of the early 600s
were Pentium 266MMX machines, specifically the 2645-21U (which has a 13" HPA
display) and the 2645-31U (which has a 12.1" TFT display), both of which should
be avoided. All other 600s were PII/266 to PII/300.

> As for the comparisons with, I wish I knew the model numbers - anything with
> X or Z at the end is probably out of my price range...

All 770X are PII/300, all 770Z are PII/366. I would say that prices for
similarly equipped 770s and 600s are running neck and neck on eBay, with the
late model 600Es having a slight edge.

> Are there any PII 770 machines?

See above.

> I assume of course you can swap the HD, etc with the 600E?

Nope. The 770X and 770Z factory installed HDs were 17MM high, not the 12.5MM
slim drives required for the 600 series.

I've recently been down this road trying to decide between a 600E and 770Z and,
while the 14.1" screen of the 770 was attractive, the more than 3lb weight
difference and the overall size difference between the two systems quickly made
the lighter, slimmer 600E stand out.

Regards,

James


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This depends on a couple of things...

First of all, if you are looking for the original help files, on-line
instructions, and possibly preinstalled software, the only convenient way to
get it is from the recovery CD.  If not, the drivers, etc. are probably on
the IBM website, and a clean install may be better, since you will end up
with the latest versions of drivers, without having to update them
afterwards.  Also, if the machine came with Windows98, you are, by
inference, the owner of a license, so you do not have to go out and pay
almost $200 for the "Full-install" version of Windows 98.

Second, Windows 2000 may be a good choice, but only if you can run
everything you need under that operating system.  I am still forced to run
Windows 98, since the VPN Client software my company uses is not available
for Windows 2000.  Also will cost plenty.

Third, it is possible to run two different operating systems starting with
recovery CDs.  You do need a program like Partition Magic, which will allow
you to create more than one Primary Partition, and select which is active.
You can then install the recovery disk, using the "leave existing partitions
and format C only" option, then change active partitions and do the same
thing with the second CD.  Then you activate Boot Magic, which comes with
Partition Magic, to select which you want to start.  However, you cannot
legitimately have both original OEM installations on one computer, so you
will be in breach of the licensing provisions.

Richard


----- Original Message -----
From: "James H. E. Maugham" <CaptJHEM@waterw.com>
To: <Yves.Soussi@penuries.com>; <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: TP600X - 650Mhz -2645-9fg - recovery cd WIN98


> Yves,
>
> Yves.Soussi@penuries.com [mailto:Yves.Soussi@penuries.com] wrote:
>
> > 1) I own a TP600X - 650Mhz -2645-9fg . It is under W2K.
> >
> > I need a recovery cd under WIN98 . Can somebody help me ?
>
> Is it your intent to make this a W98 machine rather than W2K? I would
strongly
> urge you to re-consider this step as W2K runs with so much more stability
on the
> 600 vs. W98.
>
> If you simply want to add W98 to the machine, a recovery CD is _not_ the
means
> to do it, you need a retail copy of W98. You cannot use two different IBM
> recovery CDs to load two operating systems, as they will both _only_ load
to the
> C: partition of the drive and will over-write each other. Neither CD
contains a
> retail copy of the OS, but rather a drive image of the OS as installed on
the
> relevant system.
>
> Even with a retail copy of W98, if you want to retain your install of W2K
and
> have a dual boot machine, you'll need something like BootManager or
similar. Or,
> if you were able to obtain a recovery CD in W98 for your system, you could
use
> that to install W98 to your C: partition and then use a retail copy of W2K
to
> install to your D: partition. W2K will automatically load the boot manager
to
> the C: partition so you can dual boot the machine if you choose this
option
> during installation, which I strongly recommend.
>
> Regards,
>
> James
>
>


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At 11:30 AM 12/3/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>All 600Es are Pentium II machines, from 300MHz to 400MHz. Some of the 
>early 600s
>were Pentium 266MMX machines, specifically the 2645-21U (which has a 13" HPA
>display) and the 2645-31U (which has a 12.1" TFT display), both of which 
>should
>be avoided. All other 600s were PII/266 to PII/300.

         Not quite.  I had one of the original 600's (and still have, 
although I now use a T20 and my wife uses the 600) that is a PII/233 with 
the 13.3" TFT.  I bought it just when the 600's were announced and the 
price difference between 233 and 266 was something like $600.  I took the 
233 and have no regrets--the speed difference between those two chips was 
negligible--maybe 10%.



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Randal Whittle [mailto:rwhittle@iceka.com] wrote:

>> All other 600s were PII/266 to PII/300.
>
>          Not quite.  I had one of the original 600's (and still have,
> although I now use a T20 and my wife uses the 600) that is a PII/233 with
> the 13.3" TFT.  I bought it just when the 600's were announced and the
> price difference between 233 and 266 was something like $600.  I took the
> 233 and have no regrets--the speed difference between those two chips was
> negligible--maybe 10%.

Whoops, you're right Randy, that should have been "other 600s were PII/233 to
PII/300".

Regards,

James


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you're welcome..  :-)

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Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 4:38 AM
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> 
> 
> Hey folks,
> 
> 1) I own a TP600X - 650Mhz -2645-9fg . I t is under W2K.
> 
> I need a recovery cd under WIN98 . Can somebody help me ?
> 
> I am in Paris.
> 
> 2) I just bought a X20 under W2K : it is a terrific machine !! Highly
> recomanded
> 
> 3) Bill Morow : I received your 256Mo DRAM and I will order another one
> soon. Thanks
> 
> BR
> 
> 
> Yves Soussi  Avec La Messagerie Lotus Notes & Domino V5 -
> 
> 
> 


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600 series have a 12.5mm high drive bay.. MAX..
770 will take anything up to 17mm..
much more flexible..
600 requires a hardware board for hardware DVD, but will run softDVD with
the DVD CD..

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: Which is better: TP600 or TP770


> On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 09:21:17 GMT, Emanuel Brown wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 03:27:58 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >>At 09:46 PM 12/2/00 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote:
> >>>Okay, I'm thinking of finally buying a more recent machine,
> >>>so from list experiences, which is the the best machine for general
use?
> >>>I think the 600 is lighter, and the 770 is heavier, but I've used a
760ED and this
> >>>701CS for everyday use (including going everywhere).
> >>
> >>Brief and subjective reaction, comparing 770ED to 600X:
> >>
> >>The 600X is way faster (mine was 500MHz, vs. 266MHz 770ED), ridiculously
light and compact, and ran Win98
> surprisingly stably.  The 600X video was so-so, the sound was fine, the
features were fine.  And you can absolutely get
> a DVD for it.
> >>
> >>Overall I loved the 600X as compared to the 770ED.  For the price of a
slightly smaller screen, less video RAM,
> slightly inferior power savings, and no hot-swapping of devices, I got a
very powerful, very portable machine that I just
> loved.
> >>
> >>I have no idea how Win2000 runs on either, nor have I touched a 770X,
nor do I have a clue what the prices on
> these things are these days.  I'd be pleasantly surprised if a good 600
were available for $900.
> >>
> >
> > The 600E is running $900-$1200 on eBay depending on options, from
> >what I've seen. I've noticed some flyers and sinkers in there (some
> >for $900, others for $1800) but some patient browsing and sniping will
> >land one in the above price range (I paid $1175 for mine).
> > I've seen some MMX models going for $700 or so, but by the time you
> >add in the Margi card and DVD drive you're back up in 600E territory
> >anyway, so if you want DVD-movie capability I wouldn't bother.
> > You stand a better chance of finding a 770 in your price range,
> >from what I've seen. I feel the 770 doesn't offer enough of a power
> >advantage to warrant hauling around another 2-3 lbs, but that's just
> >me.
>
> So can I add in an internal DVD drive for the 600E?  I really don't want
an external
> drive if at all possible.  Pentium II minimum would be desirable.
> As for the comparisons with, I wish I knew the model numbers - anything
with
> X or Z at the end is probably out of my price range...
>
> Are there any PII 770 machines?  I assume of course you can swap the HD,
etc with the
> 600E?
>
> Paul
>
>
>


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James..

wondering out loud, here, since the subject is current..
is there a dual boot manager that can be applied to a HDD that will make an
empty second partition with, perhaps, a DOS command.com a "C:" drive.. if
so, why not do a restore from a recovery CD to a seperate HDD, then (using
ghost or drive copy or the like) copy it to the aforementioned "C:"
partition..
thus you wind up with a dual booting factory preload on each bootable
partition..??

if any of this sounds foolish, then its not me, but one of the birds eating
this keyboard..!  :-)

Bill Morrow, or Lorita as the case may be..

----- Original Message -----
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To: <Yves.Soussi@penuries.com>; <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 10:41 AM
Subject: RE: TP600X - 650Mhz -2645-9fg - recovery cd WIN98


> Yves,
>
> Yves.Soussi@penuries.com [mailto:Yves.Soussi@penuries.com] wrote:
>
> > 1) I own a TP600X - 650Mhz -2645-9fg . It is under W2K.
> >
> > I need a recovery cd under WIN98 . Can somebody help me ?
>
> Is it your intent to make this a W98 machine rather than W2K? I would
strongly
> urge you to re-consider this step as W2K runs with so much more stability
on the
> 600 vs. W98.
>
> If you simply want to add W98 to the machine, a recovery CD is _not_ the
means
> to do it, you need a retail copy of W98. You cannot use two different IBM
> recovery CDs to load two operating systems, as they will both _only_ load
to the
> C: partition of the drive and will over-write each other. Neither CD
contains a
> retail copy of the OS, but rather a drive image of the OS as installed on
the
> relevant system.
>
> Even with a retail copy of W98, if you want to retain your install of W2K
and
> have a dual boot machine, you'll need something like BootManager or
similar. Or,
> if you were able to obtain a recovery CD in W98 for your system, you could
use
> that to install W98 to your C: partition and then use a retail copy of W2K
to
> install to your D: partition. W2K will automatically load the boot manager
to
> the C: partition so you can dual boot the machine if you choose this
option
> during installation, which I strongly recommend.
>
> Regards,
>
> James
>
>
>


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For those requesting recovery cd's, I have found eBay to be a pretty good
source. Just be careful not to get caught up in the process and pay too
much. I recently acquired the recovery cd's (win95,98, Lotus Smartsuite and
supp. )and manuals for my 600X for 19.95 (which I thought was a good deal).
I guess it all depends on what they are worth to you.

Shawn.



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On Sun, 03 Dec 2000 08:05:44 -0800, Randal Whittle wrote:

>At 11:30 AM 12/3/2000 -0500, you wrote:
>>All 600Es are Pentium II machines, from 300MHz to 400MHz. Some of the 
>>early 600s
>>were Pentium 266MMX machines, specifically the 2645-21U (which has a 13" HPA
>>display) and the 2645-31U (which has a 12.1" TFT display), both of which 
>>should
>>be avoided. All other 600s were PII/266 to PII/300.
>
>         Not quite.  I had one of the original 600's (and still have, 
>although I now use a T20 and my wife uses the 600) that is a PII/233 with 
>the 13.3" TFT.  I bought it just when the 600's were announced and the 
>price difference between 233 and 266 was something like $600.  I took the 
>233 and have no regrets--the speed difference between those two chips was 
>negligible--maybe 10%.

What is the slowest	 PII-based TP600e?  Also, I assume it has a 3 year warranty
like the 770 (or what's left of one when I pick it up used)?

Also, someone mentioned the 600 seems a little flimsy compared to the 770.  It this
like the flimsy on the 760ED?  Since I use the keyboard a lot, I don't want a keyboard
to wear out in 3 months...  Also, are the only options for the TP600 software DVD?
If performance is decent, I'll settle for it, especially if there's a cost difference.
And what is the weight difference for the 770 between 600e?  Not that it makes a difference
to me - I'm still young, and used to carrying sometimes my 755C AND 701CS, with my portable printer.

Paul



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On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 11:30:39 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote:

>
>> Pentium II minimum would be desirable.
>
>All 600Es are Pentium II machines, from 300MHz to 400MHz. Some of the early 600s
>were Pentium 266MMX machines, specifically the 2645-21U (which has a 13" HPA
>display) and the 2645-31U (which has a 12.1" TFT display), both of which should
>be avoided. All other 600s were PII/266 to PII/300.
>
Okay, I definately want to avoid another HPA/dual scan LCD.
>
>Nope. The 770X and 770Z factory installed HDs were 17MM high, not the 12.5MM
>slim drives required for the 600 series.

I actually meant, you can take the HD out, as in it's a caddy?
>
>I've recently been down this road trying to decide between a 600E and 770Z and,
>while the 14.1" screen of the 770 was attractive, the more than 3lb weight
>difference and the overall size difference between the two systems quickly made
>the lighter, slimmer 600E stand out.
>
What about built-in options?  I could care less about a modem, but do either have
built in network?  Or USB, firewire, video in/out, etc?



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Shawn Poirier [mailto:shawn00@sprint.ca] wrote:

> For those requesting recovery cd's, I have found eBay to be a pretty good
> source. Just be careful not to get caught up in the process and pay too
> much. I recently acquired the recovery cd's (win95,98, Lotus Smartsuite and
> supp. )and manuals for my 600X for 19.95 (which I thought was a good deal).
> I guess it all depends on what they are worth to you.

Provided the unit was still in warranty (and a 600X would certainly have to be!)
and W98 was the factory installed OS, IBM would have sent you all of the same
stuff for free.

Regards,

James


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Hello,

  Just brought 2 batteries fro 600e on eBay. Person sold them as-is,
  in unknown condition. I assumed, that they're dead.
  Does anyone know is there any warranty on this batteries, and whom
  should I contact to get replacement? IBM website gives all the time
  error 500 for me, so I can't find any info :-(

  THanks
  

-- 
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it's friends are.



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Opps sorry, it is a DELL


>???   What is your point? What brand machine is this?
>
>
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warranty on IBM batteries is one year for the original purchaser on his
machine..
or subsequent purchaser of that particular thinkpad from the date of
original sale..
if you bought dead batteries they are dead..! paperweights.. !
if you bought them with the hope of having them replaced with new batteries
under warranty, well....
i don't think i need comment more on this matter..

----- Original Message -----
From: "Sashka" <list@tryam.com>
To: "ThinkPad List" <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 4:38 PM
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> Hello,
>
>   Just brought 2 batteries fro 600e on eBay. Person sold them as-is,
>   in unknown condition. I assumed, that they're dead.
>   Does anyone know is there any warranty on this batteries, and whom
>   should I contact to get replacement? IBM website gives all the time
>   error 500 for me, so I can't find any info :-(
>
>   THanks
>
>
> --
>  Sashka <list@tryam.com>
>  Unix is user friendly. It's just very selective about who
> it's friends are.
>
>
>


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Dear Lorita, ;-)

Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] wrote:

> wondering out loud, here, since the subject is current..
> is there a dual boot manager that can be applied to a HDD that will make an
> empty second partition with, perhaps, a DOS command.com a "C:" drive.. if
> so, why not do a restore from a recovery CD to a seperate HDD, then (using
> ghost or drive copy or the like) copy it to the aforementioned "C:"
> partition..
> thus you wind up with a dual booting factory preload on each bootable
> partition..??

Richard Chalk (rchalk@speakeasy.org) wrote that PartitionMagic had this
capability and, after letting the hamster turn the wheel a few more times, I've
come to the conclusion that he's right!

Richard wrote: "Third, it is possible to run two different operating systems
starting with recovery CDs.  You do need a program like Partition Magic, which
will allow you to create more than one Primary Partition, and select which is
active. You can then install the recovery disk, using the "leave existing
partitions and format C only" option, then change active partitions and do the
same thing with the second CD.  Then you activate Boot Magic, which comes with
Partition Magic, to select which you want to start."

I'm going to try this later tonight or tomorrow with PM 6.0, both on a single
drive and on dual drives, just to see what happens.

WRT the dual boot topic we've been kicking around on the Forum, I've already
setup W2K from a recovery CD and loaded a retail copy of W2K to dual partitions
on a single drive _and_ to dual 6.4GB drives with no problem. W2K even loaded
the boot manager when I installed to the D: drive or partition.

I was just getting ready to post my results to the Forum when I read Richard's
post. Using his method would be a much more elegant way to resolve Joel's dual
boot problem, so I'll hold off posting until I get a chance to experiment.

> if any of this sounds foolish, then its not me, but one of the birds eating
> this keyboard..!  :-)

Don't worry Lorita, we all know who the real birdbrain is on your end!

Regards,

James

Ducking and running.................


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Hello,

Yeah, I know, that. All I asked, is phone number where should I call
for support to get them replaced, etc..
If you know, e-mail it to me.

Thanks



Sunday, December 03, 2000, 5:00:33 PM, you wrote:
BM> warranty on IBM batteries is one year for the original purchaser on his
BM> machine..
BM> or subsequent purchaser of that particular thinkpad from the date of
BM> original sale..
BM> if you bought dead batteries they are dead..! paperweights.. !
BM> if you bought them with the hope of having them replaced with new batteries
BM> under warranty, well....
BM> i don't think i need comment more on this matter..

BM> ----- Original Message -----
BM> From: "Sashka" <list@tryam.com>
BM> To: "ThinkPad List" <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
BM> Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 4:38 PM
BM> Subject: warranty on batteries


>> Hello,
>>
>>   Just brought 2 batteries fro 600e on eBay. Person sold them as-is,
>>   in unknown condition. I assumed, that they're dead.
>>   Does anyone know is there any warranty on this batteries, and whom
>>   should I contact to get replacement? IBM website gives all the time
>>   error 500 for me, so I can't find any info :-(
>>
>>   THanks
>>
>>
>> --
>>  Sashka <list@tryam.com>
>>  Unix is user friendly. It's just very selective about who
>> it's friends are.
>>
>>
>>



-- 
 Sashka
 e-mail : list@tryam.com
 "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers." - Thomas
Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943 



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On Sun, 3 Dec 2000 13:26:07 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote:

>James..
>
>wondering out loud, here, since the subject is current..
>is there a dual boot manager that can be applied to a HDD that will 
make an
>empty second partition with, perhaps, a DOS command.com a "C:" 
drive.. 

I have done this to a Win98 TP600E to install DOS/Win3.1 and
also OS/2.  I documented the entire procedure and will send to
anyone who needs it.

Jeffrey Race


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If Lorita is in the air, you'll need an umbrella..
James, send me the finished text and i'll add that to thinkpads.com..  :-)

Bill Morrow
http://thinkpads.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "James H. E. Maugham" <CaptJHEM@waterw.com>
To: "Bill Morrow" <penzance@gate.net>; <Yves.Soussi@penuries.com>;
<thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
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Sent: Sunday, December 03, 2000 6:23 PM
Subject: RE: TP600X - 650Mhz -2645-9fg - recovery cd WIN98


> Dear Lorita, ;-)
>
> Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] wrote:
>
> > wondering out loud, here, since the subject is current..
> > is there a dual boot manager that can be applied to a HDD that will make
an
> > empty second partition with, perhaps, a DOS command.com a "C:" drive..
if
> > so, why not do a restore from a recovery CD to a seperate HDD, then
(using
> > ghost or drive copy or the like) copy it to the aforementioned "C:"
> > partition..
> > thus you wind up with a dual booting factory preload on each bootable
> > partition..??
>
> Richard Chalk (rchalk@speakeasy.org) wrote that PartitionMagic had this
> capability and, after letting the hamster turn the wheel a few more times,
I've
> come to the conclusion that he's right!
>
> Richard wrote: "Third, it is possible to run two different operating
systems
> starting with recovery CDs.  You do need a program like Partition Magic,
which
> will allow you to create more than one Primary Partition, and select which
is
> active. You can then install the recovery disk, using the "leave existing
> partitions and format C only" option, then change active partitions and do
the
> same thing with the second CD.  Then you activate Boot Magic, which comes
with
> Partition Magic, to select which you want to start."
>
> I'm going to try this later tonight or tomorrow with PM 6.0, both on a
single
> drive and on dual drives, just to see what happens.
>
> WRT the dual boot topic we've been kicking around on the Forum, I've
already
> setup W2K from a recovery CD and loaded a retail copy of W2K to dual
partitions
> on a single drive _and_ to dual 6.4GB drives with no problem. W2K even
loaded
> the boot manager when I installed to the D: drive or partition.
>
> I was just getting ready to post my results to the Forum when I read
Richard's
> post. Using his method would be a much more elegant way to resolve Joel's
dual
> boot problem, so I'll hold off posting until I get a chance to experiment.
>
> > if any of this sounds foolish, then its not me, but one of the birds
eating
> > this keyboard..!  :-)
>
> Don't worry Lorita, we all know who the real birdbrain is on your end!
>
> Regards,
>
> James
>
> Ducking and running.................
>
>


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After some research into the differences between the Selectadock I/II/III
models, I find that for my needs, the dock I should be the best to go with
my 765D. It is still kind of transportable (4 kg) and has an Ultrabay into
which my existing Ultrabay devices will fit.

I am looking at some offers on Ebay which range from 10$ for the dock only
(used) to 18$ for the dock and base (new in the box). Does someone on the
list have a Selectadock I and/or Selectadock base I for sale?

Alban



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At 02:27 AM 12/3/00 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote:
>Are there any PII 770 machines?

Not mentioned in other posts: The 770ED is also a PII (mine is 266MHz).

>Also, someone mentioned the 600 seems a little flimsy compared to the 770.  It this
>like the flimsy on the 760ED?  Since I use the keyboard a lot, I don't want a keyboard
>to wear out in 3 months...

I think it's a trivial difference.  I carried the 600X in my knapsack, with no padding, no case, or anything, every single day for 7 months, trekking all around a big city with it; and I used it during just about all of my waking hours during this period.  I used it in live performance settings.  I moved it around the office all the time.  I think I spilled liquid in it.  The machine never suffered any detectable wear during this 7-month abuse period.

Now, my 770ED has suffered markings on the LCD screen, presumably from pressure from the keyboard while I carry the machine.  This also happened to a Compaq Armada (repackaged DEC) I'd had.  But this never happened to the 600X.

Weight difference...I vaguely remember it being ~5 vs. ~7.5?  It's a noticeable difference, and also a big size difference.  I never hesitated to carry my 600X around, but my 770ED is just a pain to carry, even when I leave the (huge) DVD drive at home.

Again, the 770ED was just something of a more robust machine...but hardly as portable, and less powerful (as it was older).  And more expensive when new.  But better video features, for sure.  (But that may just be the 770ED, and not the other 770 models.)

No built-in network on either one.  Just built-in modem.  USB yes, firewire no.  The 770ED had video in/out (with dongle); the 600X didn't.  But this might be a feature of the "E" models.  The 600X I had didn't have a DVD.

- Ken


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> From: Dr. Cornelius Halvey [mailto:Cornelius-Halvey@smh.com]

> As for the build quality of the two machines, I give the nod 
> to the 770.  It
> has been built to a very high standard and should give years 
> of service.
> The 600 feels a little flimsy by comparison.

The 600 may be flimsy in comparison to a 770, sure.

But it is still a well-built machine compared to just about any
other vendor. My 600X feels like a tank compared to some Toshiba
laptops I use at work.

Microsoft must think they are reliable, too. I was leery of buying
a 600 series until I took a MS training course on W2K. They had
almost 50 600E's set up for attendees to use. They are lugged
from town to town in big boxes.

Chris Schumann


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At 04:30 AM 12/04/2000 -0500, Ken wrote:

>>Also, someone mentioned the 600 seems a little flimsy compared to the
770.  It this
>>like the flimsy on the 760ED?  Since I use the keyboard a lot, I don't
want a keyboard
>>to wear out in 3 months...
>
>I think it's a trivial difference.  I carried the 600X in my knapsack,
with no padding, no case, or anything, every single day for 7 months,
trekking all around a big city with it; and I used it during just about all
of my waking hours during this period.  I used it in live performance
settings.  I moved it around the office all the time.  I think I spilled
liquid in it.  The machine never suffered any detectable wear during this
7-month abuse period.
>

My experience with the 600 model parallels yours over a longer period of
time.  As of next week, I've been schlepping this one around for 2 years on
a daily basis.  It goes wherever I go, and I still use a 5-year-old Silicon
Sports backpack to carry it in.  The backpack had minimal padding when it
was new and is stuffed to the gills with everything else I carry around on
a daily basis.

The 770s that I've seen are very nice machines, but for my daily use for
something that I carry around with me, my pick is the 600.

Jane

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Hi,

Got at Thinkpad 370c for several years. After we had a look at the 
memorycard the floppydrive does not work any more?

No sound or any other indications from the floppydrive. The 
floppyligth on the thinkpad itself are constant for sometime. In the 
bios the floppy 1 is grey and I cannot start a selftest.

Any clues? 

Could I buy a externel pccard floppydrive (if any exist) so I could 
boot using a floppy and start transfer data using floppydisk again.

Best Regards,

Soeren Laursen

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At 08:11 AM 12/4/2000 -0500, you wrote:
> >>Also, someone mentioned the 600 seems a little flimsy compared to the
>770.  It this

> >I think it's a trivial difference.  I carried the 600X in my knapsack,
>with no padding, no case, or anything, every single day for 7 months,
>trekking all around a big city with it; and I used it during just about all
>of my waking hours during this period.  I used it in live performance
>settings.  I moved it around the office all the time.  I think I spilled
>liquid in it.  The machine never suffered any detectable wear during this
>7-month abuse period.
 >

>My experience with the 600 model parallels yours over a longer period of
>time.  As of next week, I've been schlepping this one around for 2 years on
>a daily basis.  It goes wherever I go, and I still use a 5-year-old Silicon

         Let's just be straight about something:  Whoever it was that 
called a 600 "flimsy" was doing a disservice to the 600.  If its "flimsy" 
compared to the 770, that's because the 770 is built like a tank--and 
*everything* is "flimsy" compared to it.  If the 770 is a tank, then the 
600 is a Mercedes--well-built with excellent fit & finish, can be expected 
to last...but it doesn't have armored plating and may not stand up to 
getting shot at on the battlefield.

         Good enough comparison?

         In this context, I think you can have a better idea about the 600 
vis-a-vis the 770.

>The 770s that I've seen are very nice machines, but for my daily use for
>something that I carry around with me, my pick is the 600.

         Between these two choices, I very much agree.



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FWIW, i have sold hard drives to the US Army, 75th Ranger Regiment..
(these are the guys that wear green "camo" face paint to bed, when the have
a bed)
they use the 770 and LOVE it..
saying it is the best "chassis" they have out of several brands..
the 770 is the last of the rolls royce of thinkpads..
big, heavy and very tough..

like a good OS.. (OS/2 comes to mind)  heh, heh..  :-)

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> At 08:11 AM 12/4/2000 -0500, you wrote:
> > >>Also, someone mentioned the 600 seems a little flimsy compared to the
> >770.  It this
>
> > >I think it's a trivial difference.  I carried the 600X in my knapsack,
> >with no padding, no case, or anything, every single day for 7 months,
> >trekking all around a big city with it; and I used it during just about
all
> >of my waking hours during this period.  I used it in live performance
> >settings.  I moved it around the office all the time.  I think I spilled
> >liquid in it.  The machine never suffered any detectable wear during this
> >7-month abuse period.
>  >
>
> >My experience with the 600 model parallels yours over a longer period of
> >time.  As of next week, I've been schlepping this one around for 2 years
on
> >a daily basis.  It goes wherever I go, and I still use a 5-year-old
Silicon
>
>          Let's just be straight about something:  Whoever it was that
> called a 600 "flimsy" was doing a disservice to the 600.  If its "flimsy"
> compared to the 770, that's because the 770 is built like a tank--and
> *everything* is "flimsy" compared to it.  If the 770 is a tank, then the
> 600 is a Mercedes--well-built with excellent fit & finish, can be expected
> to last...but it doesn't have armored plating and may not stand up to
> getting shot at on the battlefield.
>
>          Good enough comparison?
>
>          In this context, I think you can have a better idea about the 600
> vis-a-vis the 770.
>
> >The 770s that I've seen are very nice machines, but for my daily use for
> >something that I carry around with me, my pick is the 600.
>
>          Between these two choices, I very much agree.
>
>
>


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> What is the slowest PII-based TP600e?

There were a couple of TP600E models with PII-300. See the twbook.pdf file
listed below for details.

> Also, I assume it has a 3 year warranty
> like the 770 (or what's left of one when I pick it up used)?

Right, three years on all of them, unless it was an IBM refurb which had a
one year warrant.

> Also, someone mentioned the 600 seems a little flimsy compared to
> the 770.  It this like the flimsy on the 760ED?  Since I use the keyboard
> a lot, I don't want a keyboard to wear out in 3 months...

Not like the 760 at all. The 600 has a very good, rugged keyboard.

>  Also, are the only options for the TP600 software DVD?
> If performance is decent, I'll settle for it, especially if
> there's a cost difference.

I had a PII-400 TP600E for a while, and I didn't find its DVD playback to be
satisfactory. As I recall, it dropped frames quite often. It would probably
be fine with a Margi card, but I didn't try it.

> And what is the weight difference for the 770 between 600e?  Not
> that it makes a difference
> to me - I'm still young, and used to carrying sometimes my 755C
> AND 701CS, with my portable printer.

Time for you to do some homework. <g> Here's a list of the various TBOOK
files that have all the specifications you're looking for:

ThinkPad A, T, and X series:
ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf

ThinkPad I series (current models):
ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tibook.pdf

ThinkPad I series (withdrawn models):
ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tiwbook.pdf

ThinkPad numeric series (current models):
ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf

ThinkPad numeric series (withdrawn models):
ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf

That last file is the one you want for the 600 and 770, but I listed the
rest for completeness.

You'll need Acrobat Reader to view these files:
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html

-Mike


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-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Massey <mrseafox@aol.commontrick>
Newsgroups: dfw.forsale
Date: December 04, 2000 7:42 AM
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>I have a lot of older stuff I am looking to part with. I understand it's
value,
>and I am willing to let it all go for next to nothing. Make an offer -- The
>thing I need most right now is space.
>
>I have:
>
>3 IBM PS/2 model 30 computers (Diskless Workstations w/ token ring cards)
>1 IBM PS/2 Model 50
>1 IBM PS/2 Model 55
>1 ATT 6386 EL WGS computer
>1 Compaq Luggable w 2 360k floppies and a 20mb IDE HD (needs CGA card)
>1 IBM SVGA monitor - Red gun needs work
>1 No-name SVGA monitor - Red gun needs work too
>1 Relesys SVGA monitor - Needs tuning
>1 Citizen dot matrix printer
>Some assorted motherboards (386, 486, etc)
>1 Samtron amber Monochrome monitor in mint condition - less than 50 hours
use,
>in it's original box.
>1 Swan amber monochrome monitor - minimal burn
>1 Corona green monochrome monitor - Minimal burn
>1 Mannesman Tally dot matrix printer w/extra ribbon
>2 Full size desktop cases
>1 token ring MAU
>Assorted Mice
>Assorted Keyboards
>Token ring DB9 to MAU cables
>Assorted cards
>Assorted small hard drives
>
>I need the space. I will consider trades on the stuff I have  -- I'm
flexible.
>A good low offer would be enough to take all of this stuff off of my hands.
>
>E-mail me back to discuss sale or trade, as replies on this newsgroup WILL
get
>missed. Buyer pays shipping. Buyer is also responsible for transport of
items
>from my location in North Dallas.


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Just my $.02 on this subject:

I have had a 770ED, 770X, 770Z, 600e, and 600x in the past two years to
compare.

I think the 770 series, like Bill Morrow has said, is the Rolls Royce of the
IBM line in terms of build quality. That being said, the 600 series has the
same quality, but not quite a sturdy - due to the size limiations of the
design. 

The main thing you will notice when comparing a 770 to a 600 is the screen
thickness. A 770 has a frame around the screen that's about 3/4 of an inch.
The 600 is probably less than 1/2 inch.  Other than that, the two seem built
about the same. I do like the 770 keyboard better than the 600, but it's
like comparing a BMW to a Mercedes - mostly just personal taste.

The only other thing I liked about the 770 compared to the 600 was the feet
on the back on the 770 that gave the machine a nice angle when sitting on a
table.

All that being said, both machines are heads and shoulders above a Dell
Latitude, Inspiron, and any Toshiba I have seen.  They also seem to be a
slighly better built machine than the A or T series machines.

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Geary [mailto:Mike@Geary.com]
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:41 AM
To: Paul Khoury
Cc: ThinkPad List
Subject: RE: Which is better: TP600 or TP770


> What is the slowest PII-based TP600e?

There were a couple of TP600E models with PII-300. See the twbook.pdf file
listed below for details.

> Also, I assume it has a 3 year warranty
> like the 770 (or what's left of one when I pick it up used)?

Right, three years on all of them, unless it was an IBM refurb which had a
one year warrant.

> Also, someone mentioned the 600 seems a little flimsy compared to
> the 770.  It this like the flimsy on the 760ED?  Since I use the keyboard
> a lot, I don't want a keyboard to wear out in 3 months...

Not like the 760 at all. The 600 has a very good, rugged keyboard.

>  Also, are the only options for the TP600 software DVD?
> If performance is decent, I'll settle for it, especially if
> there's a cost difference.

I had a PII-400 TP600E for a while, and I didn't find its DVD playback to be
satisfactory. As I recall, it dropped frames quite often. It would probably
be fine with a Margi card, but I didn't try it.

> And what is the weight difference for the 770 between 600e?  Not
> that it makes a difference
> to me - I'm still young, and used to carrying sometimes my 755C
> AND 701CS, with my portable printer.

Time for you to do some homework. <g> Here's a list of the various TBOOK
files that have all the specifications you're looking for:

ThinkPad A, T, and X series:
ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf

ThinkPad I series (current models):
ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tibook.pdf

ThinkPad I series (withdrawn models):
ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tiwbook.pdf

ThinkPad numeric series (current models):
ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf

ThinkPad numeric series (withdrawn models):
ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf

That last file is the one you want for the 600 and 770, but I listed the
rest for completeness.

You'll need Acrobat Reader to view these files:
http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html

-Mike

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Just my $.02 on this subject:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I have had a 770ED, 770X, 770Z, 600e, and 600x in the =
past two years to compare.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I think the 770 series, like Bill Morrow has said, is =
the Rolls Royce of the IBM line in terms of build quality. That being =
said, the 600 series has the same quality, but not quite a sturdy - due =
to the size limiations of the design. </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The main thing you will notice when comparing a 770 =
to a 600 is the screen thickness. A 770 has a frame around the screen =
that's about 3/4 of an inch. The 600 is probably less than 1/2 =
inch.&nbsp; Other than that, the two seem built about the same. I do =
like the 770 keyboard better than the 600, but it's like comparing a =
BMW to a Mercedes - mostly just personal taste.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>The only other thing I liked about the 770 compared =
to the 600 was the feet on the back on the 770 that gave the machine a =
nice angle when sitting on a table.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>All that being said, both machines are heads and =
shoulders above a Dell Latitude, Inspiron, and any Toshiba I have =
seen.&nbsp; They also seem to be a slighly better built machine than =
the A or T series machines.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Greg</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>From: Michael Geary [<A =
HREF=3D"mailto:Mike@Geary.com">mailto:Mike@Geary.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:41 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>To: Paul Khoury</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Cc: ThinkPad List</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Subject: RE: Which is better: TP600 or TP770</FONT>
</P>
<BR>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; What is the slowest PII-based TP600e?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>There were a couple of TP600E models with PII-300. =
See the twbook.pdf file</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>listed below for details.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Also, I assume it has a 3 year warranty</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; like the 770 (or what's left of one when I pick =
it up used)?</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Right, three years on all of them, unless it was an =
IBM refurb which had a</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>one year warrant.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; Also, someone mentioned the 600 seems a little =
flimsy compared to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; the 770.&nbsp; It this like the flimsy on the =
760ED?&nbsp; Since I use the keyboard</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; a lot, I don't want a keyboard to wear out in 3 =
months...</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Not like the 760 at all. The 600 has a very good, =
rugged keyboard.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt;&nbsp; Also, are the only options for the TP600 =
software DVD?</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; If performance is decent, I'll settle for it, =
especially if</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; there's a cost difference.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I had a PII-400 TP600E for a while, and I didn't find =
its DVD playback to be</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>satisfactory. As I recall, it dropped frames quite =
often. It would probably</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>be fine with a Margi card, but I didn't try =
it.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; And what is the weight difference for the 770 =
between 600e?&nbsp; Not</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; that it makes a difference</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; to me - I'm still young, and used to carrying =
sometimes my 755C</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>&gt; AND 701CS, with my portable printer.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Time for you to do some homework. &lt;g&gt; Here's a =
list of the various TBOOK</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>files that have all the specifications you're =
looking for:</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>ThinkPad A, T, and X series:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A =
HREF=3D"ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf</A></FON=
T>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>ThinkPad I series (current models):</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A =
HREF=3D"ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tibook.pdf" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tibook.pdf</A></FON=
T>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>ThinkPad I series (withdrawn models):</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A =
HREF=3D"ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tiwbook.pdf" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tiwbook.pdf</A></FO=
NT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>ThinkPad numeric series (current models):</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A =
HREF=3D"ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf</A></FONT=
>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>ThinkPad numeric series (withdrawn models):</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A =
HREF=3D"ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf</A></FON=
T>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>That last file is the one you want for the 600 and =
770, but I listed the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>rest for completeness.</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>You'll need Acrobat Reader to view these =
files:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2><A =
HREF=3D"http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html" =
TARGET=3D"_blank">http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html</A=
></FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-Mike</FONT>
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This is a forwarded message from the DFWSALE newsgroup. Please reply to the
guy in the original heading and bear in mind he used Spam control in his
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I actually meant to forward this to the ps/2 newsgroup, but my brain was in
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apologies to the group.

>When you speak of the monichrome monitors, are those the old old MDA
>style monitors?  I am gathering they do, considering the age of the other
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Greetings...

I 'inherited' a ThinkPad 755CD which evidently has some type of video capture hardware
built in. I guess it originally had video capture software bundled with it, but since it
has been fdisked and rebuilt, that is long gone. I have installed the v7320 drivers, and
the 'video capture device' is 'working' (under Device Manager). Where can I download the
original application to use this device to grab frames from my VCR? I have spent several
hours surfing the ibm/intel sites trying to find software to work with this video device,
to no avail. Or another app which will work with the V7320 drivers... thanks.


Regards,  J.

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My friend has a Thinkpad running NT4.0. Sorry, I don't have the model
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Best to start with the original preload..
win 3.1 and OS/2
then progress from there..

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From: "J. Davis" <jd@lri.sjhc.london.on.ca>
To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 4:13 PM
Subject: video capture on ThinkPad 755CD ?


> Greetings...
>
> I 'inherited' a ThinkPad 755CD which evidently has some type of video
capture hardware
> built in. I guess it originally had video capture software bundled with
it, but since it
> has been fdisked and rebuilt, that is long gone. I have installed the
v7320 drivers, and
> the 'video capture device' is 'working' (under Device Manager). Where can
I download the
> original application to use this device to grab frames from my VCR? I have
spent several
> hours surfing the ibm/intel sites trying to find software to work with
this video device,
> to no avail. Or another app which will work with the V7320 drivers...
thanks.
>
>
> Regards,  J.
>
>  ------------------------------------------------------------
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> | SysMgr, research programmer | voice: (519) 646 6100 x64166 |
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> | London, Ontario             | lriweb.sjhc.london.on.ca/~jd |
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>
>
> For a while I didn't have a car...I had a helicopter...no place to park
it, so
> I just tied it to a lamp post and left it running...[slow glance upward]
> --- Steven Wright
>
>


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From: "Dr. Cornelius Halvey" <Cornelius-Halvey@smh.com>
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Subject: RE: Which is better: TP600 or TP770
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 I guess my point was that for a second owner the 770 can't be beat.  It's
one tough hombre.  My 600 is a great machine, but it's more likely to show
the effects of hard, daily usage: doors fall off, the "skin" peels...

They are both great machines.  The 770-like the earlier, 701-is a very
special notebook. 

Regards 

Neil

701c, 560, 600, 770ED, 730, A21P, Workpad Z50

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Schumann
To: Dr. Cornelius Halvey; 'ThinkPad List '
Sent: 12/4/00 8:02 AM
Subject: RE: Which is better: TP600 or TP770

> From: Dr. Cornelius Halvey [mailto:Cornelius-Halvey@smh.com]

> As for the build quality of the two machines, I give the nod 
> to the 770.  It
> has been built to a very high standard and should give years 
> of service.
> The 600 feels a little flimsy by comparison.

The 600 may be flimsy in comparison to a 770, sure.

But it is still a well-built machine compared to just about any
other vendor. My 600X feels like a tank compared to some Toshiba
laptops I use at work.

Microsoft must think they are reliable, too. I was leery of buying
a 600 series until I took a MS training course on W2K. They had
almost 50 600E's set up for attendees to use. They are lugged
from town to town in big boxes.

Chris Schumann


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From: Rob Bell <rbell1@netscape.net>
To: Tom Hambleton <thamblet@excite.com>, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: Thinkpad wont boot
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This is a ThinkPad graphic indicating that the system can't find a bootable
drive/device.  It wants you to put a bootable floppy disk in the A: drive and
reboot.  What you need to do is determine why the system doesn't recognize the
(presumably still present) hard disk drive.  I guess the first step is to
check the BIOS boot order to see if the main HD is still in the boot sequence.
 If it is, then perhaps you should remove and re-seat the HD (if it is a
removable model).  If that still doesn't help, then research the error codes
being generated by the BIOS test to see what they mean.  Could be a
catastrophic HD failure, or a corruption of the boot sector or system files on
the C: drive.

If the computer isn't too old, perhaps it is still covered under warranty. 
Call 1-800-772-2227 for IBM support.

Good luck,
Rob


Tom Hambleton <thamblet@excite.com> wrote:
> My friend has a Thinkpad running NT4.0. Sorry, I don't have the model
> number. All of a sudden it won't boot. Rather it displays a crude graphic
of
> the floppy drive with the function keys displayed below. Arrows are
blinking
> pointing to the F1 key and the Floppy Drive. I was able run some sort of
> System Diagonistic by pushing the Esc key while booting. The system board
> tests OK, the memory test will not complete and the HDD1 test returns some
> messages in red.  My only theory on how it occurred is we had a power
> outtage while it was plugged in, but it is attached to a surge protector so
> I'm a little confused. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom
> 
> thamblet@excite.com 
> 
> 
> 
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Assuming that the hard drive is properly 
seated/connected, boot from a floppy and see if it even 
"sees" the hard drive.
Next, hold down the F1 key and in the EasySetup 
INITIALIZE the system. If this won't get the hard drive 
recognized, replace the hard drive.
> My friend has a Thinkpad running NT4.0. Sorry, I don't have the model
> number. All of a sudden it won't boot. Rather it displays a crude graphic of
> the floppy drive with the function keys displayed below. Arrows are blinking
> pointing to the F1 key and the Floppy Drive. I was able run some sort of
> System Diagonistic by pushing the Esc key while booting. The system board
> tests OK, the memory test will not complete and the HDD1 test returns some
> messages in red.  My only theory on how it occurred is we had a power
> outtage while it was plugged in, but it is attached to a surge protector so
> I'm a little confused. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Tom
> 
> thamblet@excite.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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I want to upgrade  my 14 GB to a 20 GB or larger HD. While web shopping
I noticed  many of the HD offerings for the 770 series exclude support
for the 770Z, Anyone know why ?  I purchased a 20 GB drive that was
supposed to work with all 770 series machines, but it failed the POST
HDD-1 diagnostic test, and the drive could not be found by fdisk ( no
local hard drive found). Don't know if it was a bad drive or just
incompatible with the 770Z.

Any success stories of upgrading a 770Z to a 20GB drive or better would
be appreciated, specifically:
- which HD manufacturer & model #
- where it was purchased
- any bios mods needed
- other relevant data

Thanks,

Jim Gillepsie






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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D580421904-05122000>- =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D580421904-05122000></SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
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other relevant=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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The 770Z will take up to a 32gig drive..
and anything in between..


----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jim Gillespie=20
  To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu=20
  Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 11:27 PM
  Subject: 770Z HD Upgrade Options ?


  I want to upgrade  my 14 GB to a 20 GB or larger HD. While web =
shopping I noticed  many of the HD offerings for the 770 series exclude =
support for the 770Z, Anyone know why ?  I purchased a 20 GB drive that =
was supposed to work with all 770 series machines, but it failed the =
POST HDD-1 diagnostic test, and the drive could not be found by fdisk ( =
no local hard drive found). Don't know if it was a bad drive or just =
incompatible with the 770Z.
  =20
  Any success stories of upgrading a 770Z to a 20GB drive or better =
would be appreciated, specifically:
  - which HD manufacturer & model #
  - where it was purchased=20
  - any bios mods needed
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  =20
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  =20
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Options ?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D580421904-05122000>I =
want to=20
  upgrade&nbsp; my 14 GB to a 20 GB or larger HD. While web shopping I=20
  noticed&nbsp; many of the HD offerings for the 770 series exclude =
support for=20
  the 770Z, Anyone know why ?&nbsp; I purchased a 20 GB drive that was =
supposed=20
  to work with all 770 series machines, but it failed the POST HDD-1 =
diagnostic=20
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found).=20
  Don't know if it was a bad drive or just incompatible with the=20
  770Z.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D580421904-05122000>Any =
success=20
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appreciated,=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D580421904-05122000>- =
which HD=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D580421904-05122000></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D580421904-05122000>- where it was purchased =
</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D580421904-05122000></SPAN></FONT><FONT face=3DArial =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D580421904-05122000>- =
other relevant=20
  data</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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be sure that you reseated the floppy correctly..
try removing it and replacing it one more time..
push it down firmly, where indicated..

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Soeren Laursen" <soeren.laursen@scrooge.dk>
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Sent: Monday, December 04, 2000 9:59 AM
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> Hi,
> 
> Got at Thinkpad 370c for several years. After we had a look at the 
> memorycard the floppydrive does not work any more?
> 
> No sound or any other indications from the floppydrive. The 
> floppyligth on the thinkpad itself are constant for sometime. In the 
> bios the floppy 1 is grey and I cannot start a selftest.
> 
> Any clues? 
> 
> Could I buy a externel pccard floppydrive (if any exist) so I could 
> boot using a floppy and start transfer data using floppydisk again.
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Soeren Laursen
> 


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to the guy that is looking for 600 or 770. NO REASON TO TAKE ANY RISKS FROM 
UNKNOWN SELLERS ON EBAY

email me if you want to get a brand new IBm 600e NEW from online store (not 
from me ) for $999.

Thinkpad 600E PII-300 4.0GB 32MB 13.3 TFT 24X Win 98 for $999

also if you decide to go with 770, and if you need cheap 14 gig IBM 
TRAVELSTAR HDD (17mm) let me know.

or better yet join my mailing list jonsbargains :)

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fyi

http://www.onvia.com/PriceGrabber/Products/index.cfm?Task=ViewProduct&IDCatalog=173518

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Probably as a direct result of Big Blue's release of the X series laptops, the
bottom has absolutely fallen from under the former "thin and light" forerunner,
the 570E.

The 6AU (PIII 500MHz), 64MB RAM, 12.0GB, 13.3 TFT, 56K(Int), Win98) is selling
NIB for $1799.99 at www.onvia.com.

There are similar deals on 570's from other merchants, as well as offerings on
the A20M and A20P as low as $1549 NIB for a 262821U A20M (PIII 500 MHz, 64MB
RAM, 6.0GB, 12.1 TFT 800x600, 24x-10x CD-ROM, Modem, Win98) from
www.shop4digital.com.

These are some dirt cheap prices for PIII 500s, especially considering both of
these systems were selling for multiples of their current prices just a few
months ago.

Now if the same price flu would only infect the PIII 650MHz 600X!!

Regards,

James


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On nov th 9 2000, i found this deal & posted on the mailing list.

ThinkPad T20 PIII700 64 12 24X 56K 13.3 W98 for $1899 only !!!!! this
retail for ~ $2500

Apparently it is already sold out now. sorry

the best deal now is from DELL where you get 20% off up to $500 max rebate 
on all their computers.
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Hello Everyone,

I know that this is somewhat off topic but it does have to do with
laptops. This is one of the best places to ask questions about laptops
in general.

Do you all think that Dead Pixels are acceptable?? Please give me your
thoughts on this. How many of you have perfect screens??

Thanks,
Jim


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Hello,

Panasonic says, that 5 dead pixels is ok. I was working with lcd
scree, which had 3 or 4 dead pixels. I saw them after two weeks of
working with LCD. and didn't notice them after that.


Tuesday, December 05, 2000, 11:33:25 PM, you wrote:
CG> Hello Everyone,

CG> I know that this is somewhat off topic but it does have to do with
CG> laptops. This is one of the best places to ask questions about laptops
CG> in general.

CG> Do you all think that Dead Pixels are acceptable?? Please give me your
CG> thoughts on this. How many of you have perfect screens??



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It really depends on where they are, and what color.

Red pixels in the middle of the screen can drive people nuts, but a
green or blue pixel can usually be ignored, after a period of adjustment.

It also depends on what you're doing.  If you live in a word processor all
day which creates a white screen, a blow-on pixel is going to be inviable
with all the white, but if you work in a DOS shell, those little pixels are
going to be staring at you...

In general, I'm not happy with anything but a perfect screen.  I'm not sure
that's a reasonable position when getting a 1600x1200 screen, but if it isn't
OK now, it will be later on.

It really depends on where they are, what color they are and what you do
with the screen.  With luck, it will be OK for you.  If not, you'll probably
have an "interesting" time getting the company to give you a screen.  I've
never fraught that battle, so I can't help out.

--STeve Andre'

At 08:33 PM 12/5/00 -0800, Computer-Guru wrote:
>Hello Everyone,
>
>I know that this is somewhat off topic but it does have to do with
>laptops. This is one of the best places to ask questions about laptops
>in general.
>
>Do you all think that Dead Pixels are acceptable?? Please give me your
>thoughts on this. How many of you have perfect screens??
>
>Thanks,
>Jim
>
>
>--
>Regards,
>Computer-Guru
>pctech@southeast.net
>====================


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This is not actually me but my uncle who may be intersted in doing this.  But I am on the forum so he asked me to email this.  He has a HP 9110i 8x4x32 IDE cdrw drive that is new in the packaging.  Would anyone offer an older working laptop for this drive.  Mabey something in the 75-120mhz range.  Email me at mastarecoil@home.com please.

 

Thanks

Garrett.




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Subject: hybernate forever?
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Been running OS/2 on a 760ED for weeks now with no problems. I use the
hybernate feature every day. 

Tonight, I turn it on and up pops the hybernate screen, the white one,
with the progress bar on the top. Usually it will show progress and I am
running in a minute. Not anymore. It just sits there and shows nothing in
the progress bar. Its just hung there forever. I can't turn the machine
off, as it just beeps when I try. The only way to shut it off is to pull
out the battery. I did this, put it back in, and the splash screen
returns. FWIW, the center led under the display is just flashing away. I
tried booting to a floppy, but it won't even go there, just pops up the
white screen.

Power on with F1 held down gets me a screen that says STOP  and Cancel.
Not a lot of choices there.

I refuse to install again, so do I have any option short of the garbage
can?

Much obliged for any advice.

John


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Subject: RE: Off Topic: Dead Pixels Acceptable?
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It depends on which stance you take.   The "Industry Stance" is typically
"x percent or less dead pixels is acceptable."  This varies depending on
the manufacturer and who you buy the unit from.  If you buy the unit from
some kind of a storefront or a regular discount online retailer like CDW or
something, returning the unit probably won't be painful; however if you buy
from a wholesaler they'll probably go tell you to screw if you want them to
absorb a unit due to a bad pixel.   (your mileage may vary, same goes with
the manufacturers on warranty service claims with bad pixels.  )

My personal tolerance is pretty low.  I'd send a notebook back if it had
more
than 1 or 2 dead pixels-  it also depends on the location of the dead
pixels, wether
they're totally off or not, what color they are, and how dense the screen
is....
if I buy a laptop with a 14.5in SXGA screen, and I have to hunt for the 1 or
2 dead pixels that might exist, I'm probably not going to bother returning
it.

Another criteria I use is technology curve. At this point in time, a new
12.1,13.3 or
a 14.1 inch screen with even one noticeable dead pixel is pretty lame; those
screens have been in production so long that they should have figured out
how to make a
screen that doesn't suck.   A friend of mine has put loadsets on about 10
new
IBM T20s with the 13.3 in screen, and says he didn't see any bad pixels.
However,
if I was tinkering with one of those new 15" UXGA screens, I wouldn't be
surprised
if there were a few baddies in there.  Typically very new screen processes
are the
most susceptible to dead pixels.  I think the manufacturer ends up refining
the
process and "gets it right" eventually.

From the amount of notebooks I've dealt with, I'd say dead pixels is not a
"dominant" issue.  I've seen a lot of new notebooks, none of which have had
dead pixels. (Mostly Winbooks, IBM Thinkpads, and Sony VAIOs)  So I'd say if
you got
a note with one or more bad pixels I'd probably send it back, because
probability
says it won't happen again, unless your buying from a refurb house; and
typically refurb joints don't let you return "bad pixel" units.  My guess is
that all the machines that get sent back for bad pixels in turn get sent to
the refurb places...a
friend of mine bought a Toshiba Sat Pro from a refurb house, complained
about the
dead pixels, and they sent him another one, which had dead pixels, just less
of
them and they were all clustered in the upper left corner of the screen.
This was
a long time ago, and the screen was a 12.1 in.

Mike




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Computer-Guru [mailto:pctech@southeast.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 11:33 PM
> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
> Subject: Off Topic: Dead Pixels Acceptable?
>
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I know that this is somewhat off topic but it does have to do with
> laptops. This is one of the best places to ask questions about laptops
> in general.
>
> Do you all think that Dead Pixels are acceptable?? Please give me your
> thoughts on this. How many of you have perfect screens??
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Computer-Guru
> pctech@southeast.net
> ====================
>
>


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The trash is only an option for exasperated thinkpadders..  :-)
pull the upgrade memory..
run the easy setup tests..
to turn off the machine, use the reset button on the back, in a small hole,
next to the dock socket..

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> Been running OS/2 on a 760ED for weeks now with no problems. I use the
> hybernate feature every day.
>
> Tonight, I turn it on and up pops the hybernate screen, the white one,
> with the progress bar on the top. Usually it will show progress and I am
> running in a minute. Not anymore. It just sits there and shows nothing in
> the progress bar. Its just hung there forever. I can't turn the machine
> off, as it just beeps when I try. The only way to shut it off is to pull
> out the battery. I did this, put it back in, and the splash screen
> returns. FWIW, the center led under the display is just flashing away. I
> tried booting to a floppy, but it won't even go there, just pops up the
> white screen.
>
> Power on with F1 held down gets me a screen that says STOP  and Cancel.
> Not a lot of choices there.
>
> I refuse to install again, so do I have any option short of the garbage
> can?
>
> Much obliged for any advice.
>
> John
>
>


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That's a matter of opinion.  It's a Dell Inspiron, a less than
inspiring computer which is really quite delicate and second rate
compared to an IBM.  You pay for any abuse you put the Inspiron to...
as opposed to the Latitude which is about as rugged as a Thinkpad.

The T20 has been discontinued for a long time and it wasn't a very
good deal when new.. old technology in a new box. The later T20 was a
much better computer but at a considerably higher price.

Ray

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At 09:38 PM 12/5/00 -0700, jbrush@aros.net wrote:
[...]
>Its just hung there forever. I can't turn the machine
>off, as it just beeps when I try. The only way to shut it off is to pull
>out the battery.
[...]

In addition to trying to push the tiny reset button, you can also hold the power switch for about 6 seconds without releasing it.  This seems to work on every laptop I've ever tried.

Not that this solves your permanent hibernation problem.



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> The trash is only an option for exasperated 
thinkpadders..  :-)

Up till now, I am qualified <g>

> pull the upgrade memory..
> run the easy setup tests..
> to turn off the machine, use the reset button on the 
back, in a small hole,
> next to the dock socket..

Okay, I found the reset button which saves a ton of 
aggravation, so now the trash is no longer an option ;)

The easy setup tests are the ones that come up when I 
turn it on with F1 held down?

By upgrade memory, do you mean all of the RAM in the 
memory sockets? I am not sure exactly what you mean. 

Any technical explanation of where the thinkpad finds 
the 'flag' that tells it there is a hybernate file? Is 
it within the thinkpad memory, or is it on the drive? I 
hate using a computer when I don't know what is going on 
and laptops certainly are interesting little guys.....

Thanks for the help. At least now I am anxious to get 
home and try it out, rather than be frustrated all day 
:)

Best Regards,

John

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----- Original Message -----
From: <jbrush@www.aros.net>
To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: hybernate forever?


>
> > The trash is only an option for exasperated
> thinkpadders..  :-)
>
> Up till now, I am qualified <g>
heh, heh.. welcome to the club..

>
> > pull the upgrade memory..
> > run the easy setup tests..
> > to turn off the machine, use the reset button on the
> back, in a small hole,
> > next to the dock socket..
>
> Okay, I found the reset button which saves a ton of
> aggravation, so now the trash is no longer an option ;)
>
> The easy setup tests are the ones that come up when I
> turn it on with F1 held down?
yes..

>
> By upgrade memory, do you mean all of the RAM in the
> memory sockets? I am not sure exactly what you mean.
yes..
any add in memory that you can see, carefully remove it AFTER running the
easy setup memory test..
(machine must be powered down when you remove memory)

>
> Any technical explanation of where the thinkpad finds
> the 'flag' that tells it there is a hybernate file? Is
> it within the thinkpad memory, or is it on the drive? I
> hate using a computer when I don't know what is going on
> and laptops certainly are interesting little guys.....
760E series, right..?
there is a utility invoked from the autoexec.bat file (i think) that checks
for the hibernate file and if not there will make one..

>
> Thanks for the help. At least now I am anxious to get
> home and try it out, rather than be frustrated all day
> :)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> John
>
Cordially,  :-)
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Hi All,

does anybody have a 770(X) running on RedHat 7?  I cannot seem to get X up
and running sucessfully.

What is really strange is that I _can_ bring up X if I run RH7 as a VMWare
client (under windows 2000).

Thanks,

Gregory Harris
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I am looking for an IBM-refurbished ThinkPad 770x.
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IF that works on the 760 series, then all that does is turn it off, not, i
think, reset the machine..

----- Original Message -----
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> At 09:38 PM 12/5/00 -0700, jbrush@aros.net wrote:
> [...]
> >Its just hung there forever. I can't turn the machine
> >off, as it just beeps when I try. The only way to shut it off is to pull
> >out the battery.
> [...]
>
> In addition to trying to push the tiny reset button, you can also hold the
power switch for about 6 seconds without releasing it.  This seems to work
on every laptop I've ever tried.
>
> Not that this solves your permanent hibernation problem.
>
>
>
Cordially,  :-)
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I have on my desk, two TP755's (One 755CD and one 755CE).  Neither one will
power on.  Hitting the power switch will cause the power light to come on,
the battery light goes green and the speaker light flashes.  The harddrive
will spin for a second and that's it.

They both do the same thing.  The motherobard in the 755CD was replaced the
first time it did this and it worked for a few months before returning to it
present state.

Any idea what's going on with these two laptops?

Thanks for any input.

Brett Davis

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Brett..

how about easy setup..
can you get there..??
use the reset button and try again..

strange that both exhibit the same difficulty..

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brett Davis" <Brett@burnstead.com>
To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
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>
>
> I have on my desk, two TP755's (One 755CD and one 755CE).  Neither one
will
> power on.  Hitting the power switch will cause the power light to come on,
> the battery light goes green and the speaker light flashes.  The harddrive
> will spin for a second and that's it.
>
> They both do the same thing.  The motherobard in the 755CD was replaced
the
> first time it did this and it worked for a few months before returning to
it
> present state.
>
> Any idea what's going on with these two laptops?
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
> Brett Davis
>


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Can't get that far.  The screen stays inactive.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 1:02 PM
To: Brett Davis; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: Re: TP755 Power on problem


Brett..

how about easy setup..
can you get there..??
use the reset button and try again..

strange that both exhibit the same difficulty..

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
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>
>
> I have on my desk, two TP755's (One 755CD and one 755CE).  Neither one
will
> power on.  Hitting the power switch will cause the power light to come on,
> the battery light goes green and the speaker light flashes.  The harddrive
> will spin for a second and that's it.
>
> They both do the same thing.  The motherobard in the 755CD was replaced
the
> first time it did this and it worked for a few months before returning to
it
> present state.
>
> Any idea what's going on with these two laptops?
>
> Thanks for any input.
>
> Brett Davis
>

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Did these both die at the same time?  If they did, or closely near each
other, I wonder if you're AC line got zapped somehow.  What about
booting from the battery?

--STeve Andre'

At 01:09 PM 12/6/00 -0800, Brett Davis wrote:
>Can't get that far.  The screen stays inactive.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 1:02 PM
>To: Brett Davis; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
>Subject: Re: TP755 Power on problem
>
>
>Brett..
>
>how about easy setup..
>can you get there..??
>use the reset button and try again..
>
>strange that both exhibit the same difficulty..
>
>Cordially,  :-)
>Bill Morrow
>WEB page http://thinkpads.com
>thinkpads.com Open Forum
>http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login?
>E-Mail: bill at thinkpads dot com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brett Davis" <Brett@burnstead.com>
>To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 3:54 PM
>Subject: TP755 Power on problem
>
>
> >
> >
> > I have on my desk, two TP755's (One 755CD and one 755CE).  Neither one
>will
> > power on.  Hitting the power switch will cause the power light to come on,
> > the battery light goes green and the speaker light flashes.  The harddrive
> > will spin for a second and that's it.
> >
> > They both do the same thing.  The motherobard in the 755CD was replaced
>the
> > first time it did this and it worked for a few months before returning to
>it
> > present state.
> >
> > Any idea what's going on with these two laptops?
> >
> > Thanks for any input.
> >
> > Brett Davis
> >


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From: "James H. E. Maugham" <CaptJHEM@waterw.com>
To: "Brett Davis" <Brett@burnstead.com>, <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: RE: TP755 Power on problem
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Brett Davis [mailto:Brett@burnstead.com] wrote:

> I have on my desk, two TP755's (One 755CD and one 755CE).  Neither one will
> power on.  Hitting the power switch will cause the power light to come on,
> the battery light goes green and the speaker light flashes.  The harddrive
> will spin for a second and that's it.

Does either unit sound the POST beep? Do you have batteries in them? If so, try
taking the battery out and start again. Can you get into EZSetup?

Try letting them remain plugged in for an hour or so and then try to boot again.
Often, if the CMOS battery is dead, the 755 won't boot until the battery gets a
little replenishment from AC.

Regards,

James


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From: Brett Davis <Brett@burnstead.com>
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They died within 3 months of each other, and were being used at separate
locations.  One of the AC Adapters was replaced because it wasn't charging
the battery, but they both seem to charge now.

-----Original Message-----
From: STeve Andre' [mailto:andres@msu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 1:23 PM
To: 'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'
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Did these both die at the same time?  If they did, or closely near each
other, I wonder if you're AC line got zapped somehow.  What about
booting from the battery?

--STeve Andre'

At 01:09 PM 12/6/00 -0800, Brett Davis wrote:
>Can't get that far.  The screen stays inactive.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 1:02 PM
>To: Brett Davis; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
>Subject: Re: TP755 Power on problem
>
>
>Brett..
>
>how about easy setup..
>can you get there..??
>use the reset button and try again..
>
>strange that both exhibit the same difficulty..
>
>Cordially,  :-)
>Bill Morrow
>WEB page http://thinkpads.com
>thinkpads.com Open Forum
>http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login?
>E-Mail: bill at thinkpads dot com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brett Davis" <Brett@burnstead.com>
>To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 3:54 PM
>Subject: TP755 Power on problem
>
>
> >
> >
> > I have on my desk, two TP755's (One 755CD and one 755CE).  Neither one
>will
> > power on.  Hitting the power switch will cause the power light to come
on,
> > the battery light goes green and the speaker light flashes.  The
harddrive
> > will spin for a second and that's it.
> >
> > They both do the same thing.  The motherobard in the 755CD was replaced
>the
> > first time it did this and it worked for a few months before returning
to
>it
> > present state.
> >
> > Any idea what's going on with these two laptops?
> >
> > Thanks for any input.
> >
> > Brett Davis
> >

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I don't get the POST beep on either machine, poppiing the batteries out
doesn't make a difference, I still get the same result.  The screen stays
blank so I can't get to EZSetup, all I get are the three indicator lights.

-----Original Message-----
From: James H. E. Maugham [mailto:CaptJHEM@waterw.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 2:56 PM
To: Brett Davis; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
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Brett Davis [mailto:Brett@burnstead.com] wrote:

> I have on my desk, two TP755's (One 755CD and one 755CE).  Neither one
will
> power on.  Hitting the power switch will cause the power light to come on,
> the battery light goes green and the speaker light flashes.  The harddrive
> will spin for a second and that's it.

Does either unit sound the POST beep? Do you have batteries in them? If so,
try
taking the battery out and start again. Can you get into EZSetup?

Try letting them remain plugged in for an hour or so and then try to boot
again.
Often, if the CMOS battery is dead, the 755 won't boot until the battery
gets a
little replenishment from AC.

Regards,

James

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Brett Davis [mailto:Brett@burnstead.com] wrote:

> I don't get the POST beep on either machine, poppiing the batteries out
> doesn't make a difference, I still get the same result.  The screen stays
> blank so I can't get to EZSetup, all I get are the three indicator lights.

Your CMOS batteries are completely dead. Replace them and you should be good to
go on both units.

I've seen this several times with donated 755 units that haven't been used in a
long time. They won't do anything except blink their lights at you when you
attempt to power them up, but if you put a new CMOS battery in, they'll boot
right up. Hopefully this is your problem also.

Bill probably has some but if not, they're still available from IBM for around
$15 IIRC.

Regards,

James


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Thanks, I'll give it a shot.

Appreciate your help.

Brett

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 3:50 PM
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Brett Davis [mailto:Brett@burnstead.com] wrote:

> I don't get the POST beep on either machine, poppiing the batteries out
> doesn't make a difference, I still get the same result.  The screen stays
> blank so I can't get to EZSetup, all I get are the three indicator lights.

Your CMOS batteries are completely dead. Replace them and you should be good
to
go on both units.

I've seen this several times with donated 755 units that haven't been used
in a
long time. They won't do anything except blink their lights at you when you
attempt to power them up, but if you put a new CMOS battery in, they'll boot
right up. Hopefully this is your problem also.

Bill probably has some but if not, they're still available from IBM for
around
$15 IIRC.

Regards,

James

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On Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:06:47 -0700 (MST), jbrush@www.aros.net wrote:
>Any technical explanation of where the thinkpad finds 
>the 'flag' that tells it there is a hybernate file? Is 
>it within the thinkpad memory, or is it on the drive? I 
>hate using a computer when I don't know what is going on 
>and laptops certainly are interesting little guys.....
>
>Thanks for the help. At least now I am anxious to get 
>home and try it out, rather than be frustrated all day 
>:)>Best Regards,>John

Turn hibernation off in the setup.

Jeffrey Race



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Subject: I am so screwed! :) (was hybernate forever)
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To anyone within the sound of my voice :-)

The battery is fully charged, and it matters not if its on the docking
station or plugged into the wall.

Last night, my 760ED would not come out of hybernate mode, just sat there
with the hybernate screen and no progress on the display.

Got some help here today, and just got home to try it. First, I just
started it up, and now instead of the splash screen, I get error message
195 which means the configuration has changed, so the hybernation file
won't open. Well, it hasn't changed, so the file is hosed. :(

I pulled the memory out, and tried to get to the test mode, but it will
not do anything except boot to the error message. I hold down the F1 key,
turn it on, and it just goes to that error message. 

I cannot boot from a floppy, because it goes right to the error message.

In order to understand where the 'flag' to unhybernate comes from, I
popped out the drive, and it boots to a floppy. Then I put another drive
into the bay and it boots the drive just fine. I put the "stuck in hyb
mode" drive into another thinkpad and it comes up with the error message
on that machine as well.  Now I know that whatever it looks for, is on the
HD itself.

The problem now is how to get to the drive??? Is holding down the F1 key
the only way to get into the bios? I am wondering why I cannot boot from a
floppy in hopes of fdisking the master boot record on the HD?

I removed the drive, and am able to F1 into the BIOS and verify that the
machine is set to first boot floppy, then the hard drive, but when I put
the hard drive in and boot, it goes right to the screen with the 195 error
on it. (sigh!)

If it means anything to anyone, the screen error is a window that says
STOP? and their is the outline of a hard drive, then an arrow with a slash
through it to the right, then a display with a big star in it, which I
take to mean it can't use the hard drive to boot <shrug> The choices are
OK and Cancel, both of which simply reboot the computer. Not much of a
choice there <g>

I put the drive into my desktop, but there is not much I can do from
there. I do know that the information about hybernate is not in any file
on the drive, because the machine never gets to the boot manager, so it
never even sees an operating system. I can only guess that its in the MBR.

I would like to be wrong and find out its easier than this, but so far, I
find that I have a hard drive that will not boot because of the hyb file
being corrupted, or whatever. I can't get into it from a floppy, and I
cannot get to the BIOS. 

Since it seems I have to throw the drive away :-) (format) I am guessing
that I am missing something useful.

If anyone wants me to experiment, I would be happy to try anything at all.
The drive is a 6 gig with W95/DOS/OS/2 and linux on it, so its not like I
am dying to format it in my desktop and start over again. 

I will perhaps try making it the only drive in my desktop and seeing if I
can boot a floppy then and redo the MBR, but I don't know if I have the
strength to try that tonight! I have to do and teach my daughter how to do
fractions on a calculator. Kids have it made these days! :)

At least I know the thinkpad itself is okay, so its not going into the
trash, but the drive.............

Very grateful for any help, words of encouragement, or even a 'you are
screwed' would be okay <g>

Thanks,

John


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If you can see the drive in your desktop, try the following:
Make it the only drive (disconnect your primary HD)
Boot from a floppy with FDISK on it.
Run A:\FDISK /MBR on the drive.  This will reconstruct the Master Boot
Record
Delete the file PM_Hiber.BIN (or similar) which is the Hibernate file in the
root directory.

Then try rebooting.
Don't know if this will work, but it might be worth a try....


Regards,
Richard




----- Original Message -----
From: <jbrush@aros.net>
To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:39 PM
Subject: I am so screwed! :) (was hybernate forever)


> To anyone within the sound of my voice :-)
>
> The battery is fully charged, and it matters not if its on the docking
> station or plugged into the wall.
>
> Last night, my 760ED would not come out of hybernate mode, just sat there
> with the hybernate screen and no progress on the display.
>
> Got some help here today, and just got home to try it. First, I just
> started it up, and now instead of the splash screen, I get error message
> 195 which means the configuration has changed, so the hybernation file
> won't open. Well, it hasn't changed, so the file is hosed. :(
>
> I pulled the memory out, and tried to get to the test mode, but it will
> not do anything except boot to the error message. I hold down the F1 key,
> turn it on, and it just goes to that error message.
>
> I cannot boot from a floppy, because it goes right to the error message.
>
> In order to understand where the 'flag' to unhybernate comes from, I
> popped out the drive, and it boots to a floppy. Then I put another drive
> into the bay and it boots the drive just fine. I put the "stuck in hyb
> mode" drive into another thinkpad and it comes up with the error message
> on that machine as well.  Now I know that whatever it looks for, is on the
> HD itself.
>
> The problem now is how to get to the drive??? Is holding down the F1 key
> the only way to get into the bios? I am wondering why I cannot boot from a
> floppy in hopes of fdisking the master boot record on the HD?
>
> I removed the drive, and am able to F1 into the BIOS and verify that the
> machine is set to first boot floppy, then the hard drive, but when I put
> the hard drive in and boot, it goes right to the screen with the 195 error
> on it. (sigh!)
>
> If it means anything to anyone, the screen error is a window that says
> STOP? and their is the outline of a hard drive, then an arrow with a slash
> through it to the right, then a display with a big star in it, which I
> take to mean it can't use the hard drive to boot <shrug> The choices are
> OK and Cancel, both of which simply reboot the computer. Not much of a
> choice there <g>
>
> I put the drive into my desktop, but there is not much I can do from
> there. I do know that the information about hybernate is not in any file
> on the drive, because the machine never gets to the boot manager, so it
> never even sees an operating system. I can only guess that its in the MBR.
>
> I would like to be wrong and find out its easier than this, but so far, I
> find that I have a hard drive that will not boot because of the hyb file
> being corrupted, or whatever. I can't get into it from a floppy, and I
> cannot get to the BIOS.
>
> Since it seems I have to throw the drive away :-) (format) I am guessing
> that I am missing something useful.
>
> If anyone wants me to experiment, I would be happy to try anything at all.
> The drive is a 6 gig with W95/DOS/OS/2 and linux on it, so its not like I
> am dying to format it in my desktop and start over again.
>
> I will perhaps try making it the only drive in my desktop and seeing if I
> can boot a floppy then and redo the MBR, but I don't know if I have the
> strength to try that tonight! I have to do and teach my daughter how to do
> fractions on a calculator. Kids have it made these days! :)
>
> At least I know the thinkpad itself is okay, so its not going into the
> trash, but the drive.............
>
> Very grateful for any help, words of encouragement, or even a 'you are
> screwed' would be okay <g>
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>


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you're not screwed, but you sure in deep doodoo..  :-)
i think what you need to do is figure out WHY the hibernate file is now
unreadable..
then reverse whatever it was, if possible..
facts:
the 760 machine is ok..
the HDD is ok, physically..
thus it must be the file..

try putting the HDD in a desktop machine as a slave, then go in and rename
the hibernate file and try it again in your thinkpad..
save your important data off..

----- Original Message -----
From: <jbrush@aros.net>
To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:39 PM
Subject: I am so screwed! :) (was hybernate forever)


> To anyone within the sound of my voice :-)
>
> The battery is fully charged, and it matters not if its on the docking
> station or plugged into the wall.
>
> Last night, my 760ED would not come out of hybernate mode, just sat there
> with the hybernate screen and no progress on the display.
>
> Got some help here today, and just got home to try it. First, I just
> started it up, and now instead of the splash screen, I get error message
> 195 which means the configuration has changed, so the hybernation file
> won't open. Well, it hasn't changed, so the file is hosed. :(
>
> I pulled the memory out, and tried to get to the test mode, but it will
> not do anything except boot to the error message. I hold down the F1 key,
> turn it on, and it just goes to that error message.
>
> I cannot boot from a floppy, because it goes right to the error message.
>
> In order to understand where the 'flag' to unhybernate comes from, I
> popped out the drive, and it boots to a floppy. Then I put another drive
> into the bay and it boots the drive just fine. I put the "stuck in hyb
> mode" drive into another thinkpad and it comes up with the error message
> on that machine as well.  Now I know that whatever it looks for, is on the
> HD itself.
>
> The problem now is how to get to the drive??? Is holding down the F1 key
> the only way to get into the bios? I am wondering why I cannot boot from a
> floppy in hopes of fdisking the master boot record on the HD?
>
> I removed the drive, and am able to F1 into the BIOS and verify that the
> machine is set to first boot floppy, then the hard drive, but when I put
> the hard drive in and boot, it goes right to the screen with the 195 error
> on it. (sigh!)
>
> If it means anything to anyone, the screen error is a window that says
> STOP? and their is the outline of a hard drive, then an arrow with a slash
> through it to the right, then a display with a big star in it, which I
> take to mean it can't use the hard drive to boot <shrug> The choices are
> OK and Cancel, both of which simply reboot the computer. Not much of a
> choice there <g>
>
> I put the drive into my desktop, but there is not much I can do from
> there. I do know that the information about hybernate is not in any file
> on the drive, because the machine never gets to the boot manager, so it
> never even sees an operating system. I can only guess that its in the MBR.
>
> I would like to be wrong and find out its easier than this, but so far, I
> find that I have a hard drive that will not boot because of the hyb file
> being corrupted, or whatever. I can't get into it from a floppy, and I
> cannot get to the BIOS.
>
> Since it seems I have to throw the drive away :-) (format) I am guessing
> that I am missing something useful.
>
> If anyone wants me to experiment, I would be happy to try anything at all.
> The drive is a 6 gig with W95/DOS/OS/2 and linux on it, so its not like I
> am dying to format it in my desktop and start over again.
>
> I will perhaps try making it the only drive in my desktop and seeing if I
> can boot a floppy then and redo the MBR, but I don't know if I have the
> strength to try that tonight! I have to do and teach my daughter how to do
> fractions on a calculator. Kids have it made these days! :)
>
> At least I know the thinkpad itself is okay, so its not going into the
> trash, but the drive.............
>
> Very grateful for any help, words of encouragement, or even a 'you are
> screwed' would be okay <g>
>
> Thanks,
>
> John
>
>


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Richard...

are you sure this is safe..
with all those OS's he has on that drive..??

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Chalk" <rchalk@nettaxi.com>
To: <jbrush@aros.net>; <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: I am so screwed! :) (was hybernate forever)


> If you can see the drive in your desktop, try the following:
> Make it the only drive (disconnect your primary HD)
> Boot from a floppy with FDISK on it.
> Run A:\FDISK /MBR on the drive.  This will reconstruct the Master Boot
> Record
> Delete the file PM_Hiber.BIN (or similar) which is the Hibernate file in
the
> root directory.
>
> Then try rebooting.
> Don't know if this will work, but it might be worth a try....
>
>
> Regards,
> Richard
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jbrush@aros.net>
> To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:39 PM
> Subject: I am so screwed! :) (was hybernate forever)
>
>
> > To anyone within the sound of my voice :-)
> >
> > The battery is fully charged, and it matters not if its on the docking
> > station or plugged into the wall.
> >
> > Last night, my 760ED would not come out of hybernate mode, just sat
there
> > with the hybernate screen and no progress on the display.
> >
> > Got some help here today, and just got home to try it. First, I just
> > started it up, and now instead of the splash screen, I get error message
> > 195 which means the configuration has changed, so the hybernation file
> > won't open. Well, it hasn't changed, so the file is hosed. :(
> >
> > I pulled the memory out, and tried to get to the test mode, but it will
> > not do anything except boot to the error message. I hold down the F1
key,
> > turn it on, and it just goes to that error message.
> >
> > I cannot boot from a floppy, because it goes right to the error message.
> >
> > In order to understand where the 'flag' to unhybernate comes from, I
> > popped out the drive, and it boots to a floppy. Then I put another drive
> > into the bay and it boots the drive just fine. I put the "stuck in hyb
> > mode" drive into another thinkpad and it comes up with the error message
> > on that machine as well.  Now I know that whatever it looks for, is on
the
> > HD itself.
> >
> > The problem now is how to get to the drive??? Is holding down the F1 key
> > the only way to get into the bios? I am wondering why I cannot boot from
a
> > floppy in hopes of fdisking the master boot record on the HD?
> >
> > I removed the drive, and am able to F1 into the BIOS and verify that the
> > machine is set to first boot floppy, then the hard drive, but when I put
> > the hard drive in and boot, it goes right to the screen with the 195
error
> > on it. (sigh!)
> >
> > If it means anything to anyone, the screen error is a window that says
> > STOP? and their is the outline of a hard drive, then an arrow with a
slash
> > through it to the right, then a display with a big star in it, which I
> > take to mean it can't use the hard drive to boot <shrug> The choices are
> > OK and Cancel, both of which simply reboot the computer. Not much of a
> > choice there <g>
> >
> > I put the drive into my desktop, but there is not much I can do from
> > there. I do know that the information about hybernate is not in any file
> > on the drive, because the machine never gets to the boot manager, so it
> > never even sees an operating system. I can only guess that its in the
MBR.
> >
> > I would like to be wrong and find out its easier than this, but so far,
I
> > find that I have a hard drive that will not boot because of the hyb file
> > being corrupted, or whatever. I can't get into it from a floppy, and I
> > cannot get to the BIOS.
> >
> > Since it seems I have to throw the drive away :-) (format) I am guessing
> > that I am missing something useful.
> >
> > If anyone wants me to experiment, I would be happy to try anything at
all.
> > The drive is a 6 gig with W95/DOS/OS/2 and linux on it, so its not like
I
> > am dying to format it in my desktop and start over again.
> >
> > I will perhaps try making it the only drive in my desktop and seeing if
I
> > can boot a floppy then and redo the MBR, but I don't know if I have the
> > strength to try that tonight! I have to do and teach my daughter how to
do
> > fractions on a calculator. Kids have it made these days! :)
> >
> > At least I know the thinkpad itself is okay, so its not going into the
> > trash, but the drive.............
> >
> > Very grateful for any help, words of encouragement, or even a 'you are
> > screwed' would be okay <g>
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > John
> >
>
>


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What do people use to get the hand oils off of the peachskin palmrest of
their 600x's?


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soap and water..  :-)
well, ok..
what I use is..
a weak mix of a good dish soap in water with a small amount of alcohol to
make it dry fast..
on a soft paper towel or a fine spray used sparingly and not over the
keyboard..

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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E-Mail: bill at thinkpads dot com


----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew J. Wells" <ajwells@att.net>
To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 2:07 AM
Subject: Cleaning a 600x?


> What do people use to get the hand oils off of the peachskin palmrest of
> their 600x's?
>
>


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Subject: Re: Cleaning a 600x?
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Thanks for the tip... I noticed that IBM says not to use alkaline soaps, so
I was wondering what sort of soap or cleaner people used on this surface...
what exactly is the material used on a 600x casing anyway?   I really like
the tactile nature of it, whatever it is

AJW

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Morrow" <penzance@gate.net>
To: "Andrew J. Wells" <ajwells@att.net>; <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: Cleaning a 600x?


> soap and water..  :-)
> well, ok..
> what I use is..
> a weak mix of a good dish soap in water with a small amount of alcohol to
> make it dry fast..
> on a soft paper towel or a fine spray used sparingly and not over the
> keyboard..
>
> Cordially,  :-)
> Bill Morrow
> WEB page http://thinkpads.com
> thinkpads.com Open Forum
> http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login?
> E-Mail: bill at thinkpads dot com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew J. Wells" <ajwells@att.net>
> To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 2:07 AM
> Subject: Cleaning a 600x?
>
>
> > What do people use to get the hand oils off of the peachskin palmrest of
> > their 600x's?
> >
> >
>
>


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its a special paint..
if not applied correctly it can peel from overly sweaty palms..
i use joy dish soap..
very weak.. just sufficient to cut the grease..

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew J. Wells" <ajwells@att.net>
To: "Bill Morrow" <penzance@gate.net>; <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: Cleaning a 600x?


> Thanks for the tip... I noticed that IBM says not to use alkaline soaps,
so
> I was wondering what sort of soap or cleaner people used on this
surface...
> what exactly is the material used on a 600x casing anyway?   I really like
> the tactile nature of it, whatever it is
>
> AJW
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Morrow" <penzance@gate.net>
> To: "Andrew J. Wells" <ajwells@att.net>; <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 11:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Cleaning a 600x?
>
>
> > soap and water..  :-)
> > well, ok..
> > what I use is..
> > a weak mix of a good dish soap in water with a small amount of alcohol
to
> > make it dry fast..
> > on a soft paper towel or a fine spray used sparingly and not over the
> > keyboard..
> >
> > Cordially,  :-)
> > Bill Morrow
> > WEB page http://thinkpads.com
> > thinkpads.com Open Forum
> > http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login?
> > E-Mail: bill at thinkpads dot com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrew J. Wells" <ajwells@att.net>
> > To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 2:07 AM
> > Subject: Cleaning a 600x?
> >
> >
> > > What do people use to get the hand oils off of the peachskin palmrest
of
> > > their 600x's?
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


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Not yet, but I just got RH7 and plan to add it to my 755X
so keep us informed of progress, and I'll do likewise.

	- Adam

-----Original Message-----
From: Gregory Harris [mailto:greg025@ibm.net]
Sent: Thursday, 30 November, 2000 6:46 PM
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Hi All,

does anybody have a 770(X) running on RedHat 7?  I cannot seem to get X up
and running sucessfully.

What is really strange is that I _can_ bring up X if I run RH7 as a VMWare
client (under windows 2000).

Thanks,

Gregory Harris
"...when dogmas enter the brain, all intellectual activity ceases"  - Robert
Anton Wilson


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Hello,

RedHat7 - sux. No exceptions. It's buggy as Windows.
Use slackware 7.1 - it's rulez ;)

Thursday, December 07, 2000, 4:21:17 AM, you wrote:
QA> Not yet, but I just got RH7 and plan to add it to my 755X
QA> so keep us informed of progress, and I'll do likewise.

QA>         - Adam

QA> -----Original Message-----
QA> From: Gregory Harris [mailto:greg025@ibm.net]
QA> Sent: Thursday, 30 November, 2000 6:46 PM
QA> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
QA> Subject: RedHat7 & 770


QA> Hi All,

QA> does anybody have a 770(X) running on RedHat 7?  I cannot seem to get X up
QA> and running sucessfully.

QA> What is really strange is that I _can_ bring up X if I run RH7 as a VMWare
QA> client (under windows 2000).

QA> Thanks,

QA> Gregory Harris
QA> "...when dogmas enter the brain, all intellectual activity ceases"  - Robert
QA> Anton Wilson



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I have Red Hat running on a 760XL with no problems whatsoever.  Also
have Red Hat on two desktops with no problems.  It is a bit difficult
to install the first few times until you become familiar with all its
idiosyncrasies.

Ray

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> Got some help here today, and just got home to try it. First, I just
> started it up, and now instead of the splash screen, I get error message
> 195 which means the configuration has changed, so the hybernation file
> won't open. Well, it hasn't changed, so the file is hosed. :(

Good diagnosis: Bad hibernation file.

> I put the drive into my desktop, but there is not much I can do from
> there. I do know that the information about hybernate is not in any file
> on the drive, because the machine never gets to the boot manager, so it
> never even sees an operating system. I can only guess that its in the
MBR.

Bad diagnosis. The information could very well be in that file. It is
certainly not in your MBR. No operating system is used to restore from
hibernation, it is done by the BIOS. Don't think this means there is no
problem with the file. The BIOS reads that file, that's why it has to be
on a partition it can read (such as FAT16 or FAT32).

> I will perhaps try making it the only drive in my desktop and seeing if
I
> can boot a floppy then and redo the MBR, but I don't know if I have the
> strength to try that tonight! I have to do and teach my daughter how to
do
> fractions on a calculator. Kids have it made these days! :)

Make it the second drive and delete the hibernation file. You should be
set from there.

You *can* fix this, John.

Take care,
Chris



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IBM recommends a mix of alcohol and water. It's a good grease
disolver. Often, I just rub it out over the whole surface. It
kind of fades in.

A very mild soap like Ivory should be acceptable as well.

And if it bothers you a lot, wash your hands more often so the
marks don't appear as much.

> What do people use to get the hand oils off of the peachskin palmrest of
> their 600x's?
>
>


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Subject: Forget the TP 600 how bout $1299 for 240x  PIII 500 ?
Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 21:00:55 -0000
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to the person looking for 600 or 770 on ebay,

     I do not do deals anymore in this forum (join my hot deal forum) but 
since this is the holiday/christmas season, wht the heck.

PIII 500
10.4 Tft
12 gig
internal 56k
win 98 SE

$1299 .. email me individually or better yet join my mailing list :)

BTW, be xtra quick if you want this , the $999 TP 600 2 days ago already 
sold out :) wonder why.
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NO, i think, not entirely correct in the case of some early thinkpads..
the 760 uses a utility to make the hibernate file..
its a DOS app or utility..
not part of the bios..
however, the bios might control reading and writing the hibernate file..
but the best solution, IMO, is rename it..
i THINK its called PMHIBER.BIN..

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Schumann" <cschumann@twp-llc.com>
To: <jbrush@aros.net>; <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: I am so screwed! :) (was hybernate forever)


> > Got some help here today, and just got home to try it. First, I just
> > started it up, and now instead of the splash screen, I get error message
> > 195 which means the configuration has changed, so the hybernation file
> > won't open. Well, it hasn't changed, so the file is hosed. :(
>
> Good diagnosis: Bad hibernation file.
>
> > I put the drive into my desktop, but there is not much I can do from
> > there. I do know that the information about hybernate is not in any file
> > on the drive, because the machine never gets to the boot manager, so it
> > never even sees an operating system. I can only guess that its in the
> MBR.
>
> Bad diagnosis. The information could very well be in that file. It is
> certainly not in your MBR. No operating system is used to restore from
> hibernation, it is done by the BIOS. Don't think this means there is no
> problem with the file. The BIOS reads that file, that's why it has to be
> on a partition it can read (such as FAT16 or FAT32).
>
> > I will perhaps try making it the only drive in my desktop and seeing if
> I
> > can boot a floppy then and redo the MBR, but I don't know if I have the
> > strength to try that tonight! I have to do and teach my daughter how to
> do
> > fractions on a calculator. Kids have it made these days! :)
>
> Make it the second drive and delete the hibernation file. You should be
> set from there.
>
> You *can* fix this, John.
>
> Take care,
> Chris
>
>
>


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A month or so ago, someone posted a message here about a place that was
selling some PCMCIA hard drives at a nice price. I believe they were 170Mb
and 270Mb drives, for something like $40 and $60 each.

Alas, I can't find the message any more. (One disadvantage of receiving the
digest version of the list in Outlook--it isn't searchable! <sigh>)

Would anyone happen to remember the company? Or better yet, is there a list
archive I could search?

Thanks!

Mike


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Hello John,

WHERE?

Thursday, December 07, 2000, 4:00:55 PM, you wrote:
Jw> to the person looking for 600 or 770 on ebay,

Jw>      I do not do deals anymore in this forum (join my hot deal forum) but 
Jw> since this is the holiday/christmas season, wht the heck.

Jw> PIII 500
Jw> 10.4 Tft
Jw> 12 gig
Jw> internal 56k
Jw> win 98 SE

Jw> $1299 .. email me individually or better yet join my mailing list :)

Jw> BTW, be xtra quick if you want this , the $999 TP 600 2 days ago already 
Jw> sold out :) wonder why.

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As long as they are all in a normally-partitioned drive, there should not be
a problem, I would think.

If he is using boot manager from Windows NT or 2000, he might have to
reinstall that operating system, but it beats starting from scratch...

Richard


----- Original Message -----
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<THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 1:24 AM
Subject: Re: I am so screwed! :) (was hybernate forever)


> Richard...
>
> are you sure this is safe..
> with all those OS's he has on that drive..??
>
> Cordially,  :-)
> Bill Morrow
> WEB page http://thinkpads.com
> thinkpads.com Open Forum
> http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login?
> E-Mail: bill at thinkpads dot com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Chalk" <rchalk@nettaxi.com>
> To: <jbrush@aros.net>; <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 12:41 AM
> Subject: Re: I am so screwed! :) (was hybernate forever)
>
>
> > If you can see the drive in your desktop, try the following:
> > Make it the only drive (disconnect your primary HD)
> > Boot from a floppy with FDISK on it.
> > Run A:\FDISK /MBR on the drive.  This will reconstruct the Master Boot
> > Record
> > Delete the file PM_Hiber.BIN (or similar) which is the Hibernate file in
> the
> > root directory.
> >
> > Then try rebooting.
> > Don't know if this will work, but it might be worth a try....
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Richard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <jbrush@aros.net>
> > To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 8:39 PM
> > Subject: I am so screwed! :) (was hybernate forever)
> >
> >
> > > To anyone within the sound of my voice :-)
> > >
> > > The battery is fully charged, and it matters not if its on the docking
> > > station or plugged into the wall.
> > >
> > > Last night, my 760ED would not come out of hybernate mode, just sat
> there
> > > with the hybernate screen and no progress on the display.
> > >
> > > Got some help here today, and just got home to try it. First, I just
> > > started it up, and now instead of the splash screen, I get error
message
> > > 195 which means the configuration has changed, so the hybernation file
> > > won't open. Well, it hasn't changed, so the file is hosed. :(
> > >
> > > I pulled the memory out, and tried to get to the test mode, but it
will
> > > not do anything except boot to the error message. I hold down the F1
> key,
> > > turn it on, and it just goes to that error message.
> > >
> > > I cannot boot from a floppy, because it goes right to the error
message.
> > >
> > > In order to understand where the 'flag' to unhybernate comes from, I
> > > popped out the drive, and it boots to a floppy. Then I put another
drive
> > > into the bay and it boots the drive just fine. I put the "stuck in hyb
> > > mode" drive into another thinkpad and it comes up with the error
message
> > > on that machine as well.  Now I know that whatever it looks for, is on
> the
> > > HD itself.
> > >
> > > The problem now is how to get to the drive??? Is holding down the F1
key
> > > the only way to get into the bios? I am wondering why I cannot boot
from
> a
> > > floppy in hopes of fdisking the master boot record on the HD?
> > >
> > > I removed the drive, and am able to F1 into the BIOS and verify that
the
> > > machine is set to first boot floppy, then the hard drive, but when I
put
> > > the hard drive in and boot, it goes right to the screen with the 195
> error
> > > on it. (sigh!)
> > >
> > > If it means anything to anyone, the screen error is a window that says
> > > STOP? and their is the outline of a hard drive, then an arrow with a
> slash
> > > through it to the right, then a display with a big star in it, which I
> > > take to mean it can't use the hard drive to boot <shrug> The choices
are
> > > OK and Cancel, both of which simply reboot the computer. Not much of a
> > > choice there <g>
> > >
> > > I put the drive into my desktop, but there is not much I can do from
> > > there. I do know that the information about hybernate is not in any
file
> > > on the drive, because the machine never gets to the boot manager, so
it
> > > never even sees an operating system. I can only guess that its in the
> MBR.
> > >
> > > I would like to be wrong and find out its easier than this, but so
far,
> I
> > > find that I have a hard drive that will not boot because of the hyb
file
> > > being corrupted, or whatever. I can't get into it from a floppy, and I
> > > cannot get to the BIOS.
> > >
> > > Since it seems I have to throw the drive away :-) (format) I am
guessing
> > > that I am missing something useful.
> > >
> > > If anyone wants me to experiment, I would be happy to try anything at
> all.
> > > The drive is a 6 gig with W95/DOS/OS/2 and linux on it, so its not
like
> I
> > > am dying to format it in my desktop and start over again.
> > >
> > > I will perhaps try making it the only drive in my desktop and seeing
if
> I
> > > can boot a floppy then and redo the MBR, but I don't know if I have
the
> > > strength to try that tonight! I have to do and teach my daughter how
to
> do
> > > fractions on a calculator. Kids have it made these days! :)
> > >
> > > At least I know the thinkpad itself is okay, so its not going into the
> > > trash, but the drive.............
> > >
> > > Very grateful for any help, words of encouragement, or even a 'you are
> > > screwed' would be okay <g>
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> >
> >
>


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It was David Ross and I believe at they were at www.compgeeks.com.

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You might try compgeek or the hi-tech cafe.  I don't have the urls for them
but I'm sure they're  in google.

--STeve Andre'

At 03:03 PM 12/7/00 -0800, Michael Geary wrote:
>A month or so ago, someone posted a message here about a place that was
>selling some PCMCIA hard drives at a nice price. I believe they were 170Mb
>and 270Mb drives, for something like $40 and $60 each.
>
>Alas, I can't find the message any more. (One disadvantage of receiving the
>digest version of the list in Outlook--it isn't searchable! <sigh>)
>
>Would anyone happen to remember the company? Or better yet, is there a list
>archive I could search?
>
>Thanks!
>
>Mike


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> From: David Jones [mailto:jones@pyrrhusoft.com]

> It was David Ross and I believe at they were at www.compgeeks.com.

Wow, thanks for the instant reply, David!

I do remember that it was a company in Silicon Valley, I believe on Lawrence
Expressway. So it wasn't Computer Geeks. (I do like Computer Geeks--they are
a nice outfit.)

-Mike


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well, if it's on Lawrence, most likely it's Action Surplus
or Disk Drive Depot.  Action is cheaper.

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> From: David Jones [mailto:jones@pyrrhusoft.com]

> It was David Ross and I believe at they were at www.compgeeks.com.

Wow, thanks for the instant reply, David!

I do remember that it was a company in Silicon Valley, I believe on Lawrence
Expressway. So it wasn't Computer Geeks. (I do like Computer Geeks--they are
a nice outfit.)

-Mike

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> or if you joinm my mailing list you could have a 8.1 gig PCMCIA
> Slot (Type II) HDD for $179.00

Thanks for the tip, but that's not what I'm looking for. Those are full size
2.5" hard drives in an enclosure with an attached PCMCIA card. I already
have an IBM Portable Drive Bay which lets me attach any of my 2.5" drives
externally.

The drives I was interested in are Type III PCMCIA cards with the hard drive
inside them.

For anyone who is interested, though, the 8.1Gb drives are at Computer
Geeks:

http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=34L4223

-Mike


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> well, if it's on Lawrence, most likely it's Action Surplus
> or Disk Drive Depot.  Action is cheaper.

Yeah, Action is one of my favorite places! Been a while since I've been
there, must stop by and have a look around.

It wasn't either Action or Depot that had the drives discussed earlier. It
was some other place I wasn't familiar with. But who knows, maybe Action has
some too. I'll have to give them a call...

Thanks,

Mike


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At 03:03 PM 12/07/2000 -0800, Michael Geary wrote:

>Would anyone happen to remember the company? Or better yet, is there a list
>archive I could search?
>

I know you found what you were looking for, but just in case you need this
in the future, the archive for the list is here ->
http://zurich.ai.mit.edu/hypermail/thinkpad/

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Sheesh, I only logged off for an hour, and suddenly a long thread involving
me...

Both recommendations were from me.  The external drive was (as David J. pointed
out)
from compgeeks, the card drive was from http://www.softwareandstuff.com/ in
Santa Clara.
However, last I looked they only had the 520mb ones left - not as good a deal
IMHO as the
smaller ones.

- David R.


----- Original Message -----
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To: "David Jones" <jones@pyrrhusoft.com>
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> > From: David Jones [mailto:jones@pyrrhusoft.com]
>
> > It was David Ross and I believe at they were at www.compgeeks.com.
>
> Wow, thanks for the instant reply, David!
>
> I do remember that it was a company in Silicon Valley, I believe on Lawrence
> Expressway. So it wasn't Computer Geeks. (I do like Computer Geeks--they are
> a nice outfit.)
>
> -Mike
>
>


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> From: David Ross [mailto:ross@math.hawaii.edu]
>
> Sheesh, I only logged off for an hour, and suddenly a long thread
> involving
> me...

That's what you get for being away for an hour! <g>

> Both recommendations were from me.  The external drive was (as
> David J. pointed out)
> from compgeeks, the card drive was from
> http://www.softwareandstuff.com/ in Santa Clara.
> However, last I looked they only had the 520mb ones left - not as
> good a deal IMHO as the smaller ones.

Thanks, softwareandstuff was the one I was thinking of. Too bad I didn't
pick up a couple of the cheapies while they had them! Got to be faster next
time...

-Mike


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On Mon, 4 Dec 2000 09:40:43 -0800, Michael Geary wrote:

>
>I had a PII-400 TP600E for a while, and I didn't find its DVD playback to be
>satisfactory. As I recall, it dropped frames quite often. It would probably
>be fine with a Margi card, but I didn't try it.
>
Did you have anything running in the background?  My AMD K62-400 desktop
skips on DVD also, but I believe this is due to problems with the drive itself (as
it does it around certain positions on all discs).

How much would a PII-400 600E run approx. with 64MB of RAM, DVD, and say a 6GB HD?
Also, does anyone know if say Kingston will let me do a trade on my memory?  I have 2 32MB
modules for the 760ED, one needs to be sent back on an RMA.  It'd be nice if I could trade
and pay the difference so I could get memory for a 600.

And lastly (for this email, at least), does DVD work in Windows 2000?  I'd really rather not use
Windows 98.  I probably reboot my Win98 box once every 2-4 days, vs my Win2K box having
been on for nearly two weeks.

>Time for you to do some homework. <g> Here's a list of the various TBOOK
>files that have all the specifications you're looking for:
>
More homework? =)  Next semester I plan on taking 5 classes, so I better do
this extra credit early. =)

>ThinkPad A, T, and X series:
>ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tabook.pdf
>
>ThinkPad I series (current models):
>ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tibook.pdf
>
>ThinkPad I series (withdrawn models):
>ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tiwbook.pdf
>
>ThinkPad numeric series (current models):
>ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/tbook.pdf
>
>ThinkPad numeric series (withdrawn models):
>ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pcicrse/psref/twbook.pdf
>
>That last file is the one you want for the 600 and 770, but I listed the
>rest for completeness.
>
>You'll need Acrobat Reader to view these files:
>http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readstep.html
>
>-Mike
>
>




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Another question - which is better, DVD playback on the 770ED, or the 600E?
If one has better playback than the other, then that'll also make a difference in
the decision process.  Also, what is the screen size?  Personally I don't care,
as long as the res is at least 1024*768 (tired of 640*480 on this 10.4" DSTN).
Active Matrix is a must!

Thanks for everyone's experiences and opinions, it's been VERY beneficial,

Paul



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> From: Michael Geary [mailto:Mike@Geary.com]

> I had a PII-400 TP600E for a while, and I didn't find its DVD playback
> to be satisfactory. As I recall, it dropped frames quite often. It
> would probably be fine with a Margi card, but I didn't try it.

> From: Paul Khoury [mailto:pkhoury@loop.com]

> Did you have anything running in the background?  My AMD
> K62-400 desktop skips on DVD also, but I believe this is due
> to problems with the drive itself (as it does it around certain
> positions on all discs).

Nothing running in the background other than the standard Win2000 system
services.

> And lastly (for this email, at least), does DVD work in Windows
> 2000?  I'd really rather not use Windows 98.  I probably reboot
> my Win98 box once every 2-4 days, vs my Win2K box having
> been on for nearly two weeks.

Yes, DVD playback works in Windows 2000. That's what I was running on the
600E. It works very well on the A20p with software decoding.

I  bought a Margi card a couple of months ago, but I didn't install it
because at the time their drivers didn't support internal audio for Windows
2000. You had to plug an audio cable into the Margi card itself. I just
checked www.margi.com and it looks like they have fixed that. So I'm going
to put the Margi card in my wife's PII-266 TP600 which is running Win2000
and see how it works out there.

About the only time we run Windows 98 around here is for software
compatibility testing, and then it's usually inside a virtual machine under
VMware (www.vmware.com). That way it hardly matters if it crashes--it
doesn't affect the host Win2000 system at all. <g>

-Mike


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> Did you have anything running in the background?  My AMD K62-400 desktop
> skips on DVD also, but I believe this is due to problems with the drive
itself (as
> it does it around certain positions on all discs).

There is often a problem at the layer change part of the disk with any
drive/player.

The AMD K62-400 is not powerful enough to software-decode DVD *except* with an
ATI video
card and Cinemaster-based software (like ATI player).  DVD drives themselves
are rarely the cause
of frame loss, as the 1x speed of the movie is not a big load.  However, the
bus can be a problem
(i.e., DVD is slave to a slow disk, or DMA is not on).

Special to Paul: pony  up the $50 for the new AMD K6-III+ 450 processor (if
your MB can handle it),
this will speed up your desktop by almost 50%.

- David R.


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On Thu, 7 Dec 2000 22:00:52 -1000, David Ross wrote:

>
>There is often a problem at the layer change part of the disk with any
>drive/player.
>
>The AMD K62-400 is not powerful enough to software-decode DVD *except* with an
>ATI video
>card and Cinemaster-based software (like ATI player).  DVD drives themselves
>are rarely the cause
>of frame loss, as the 1x speed of the movie is not a big load.  However, the
>bus can be a problem
>(i.e., DVD is slave to a slow disk, or DMA is not on).

I actually have  a hardware MPEG-2 controller.  I hate software DVD, and would rather not use
it.
From what it appears, it seems to be the player itself.  I've had the same problem
with the drive in another computer as well.
>
>Special to Paul: pony  up the $50 for the new AMD K6-III+ 450 processor (if
>your MB can handle it),
>this will speed up your desktop by almost 50%.

Wow, that's a nice improvement.  Now what else can I sell around here...
Anyone want an RS/6000?  No time to play with it (and a really nice config, too).... ;)




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On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:36:15 -0800, Adrian Gauci - Ciccio wrote:

>have you ever found out about the DVD for the Thinkpad 760..? what are
>the difference of the TP 770 and 760..? let me now dude..

Not sure if you can use DVD with the 760.  I doubt it, as the fastest 760 I think
is the 760XD, which I believe is a 166MMX CPU.  There are quite a few differences between
the 760 and 770.  If you check out the PDF files someone recently mentioned on the
list (which I'll download in just a moment), that should give some insight.  With finals approaching,
and deciding classes for next semester, I don't have the time to update my ThinkPad
Assistant with the specs for those machines.

Paul



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You are correct, Bill. AFAIK, all ThinkPads use utility programs
to create and delete the hibernation file. My 750P, 365XD and 600X
all operate that way, whether by using "PS2 HIBER E" or the
ThinkPad configuration software on Windows.

Still, the BIOS handles hibernation and resumption. Consider that
if you turn the machine on, it has no OS in memory, so it has to
do something. It can either boot, or it can resume from hibernation.

Chris

----- Original Message -----
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> NO, i think, not entirely correct in the case of some early thinkpads..
> the 760 uses a utility to make the hibernate file..
> its a DOS app or utility..
> not part of the bios..
> however, the bios might control reading and writing the hibernate file..
> but the best solution, IMO, is rename it..
> i THINK its called PMHIBER.BIN..
>
> Cordially,  :-)
> Bill Morrow
> WEB page http://thinkpads.com
> thinkpads.com Open Forum
> http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login?
> E-Mail: bill at thinkpads dot com



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FWIW, the 701 uses the bios to create the hibernate file..
its the only one that i know of that does it this way..

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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----- Original Message -----
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<THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
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> You are correct, Bill. AFAIK, all ThinkPads use utility programs
> to create and delete the hibernation file. My 750P, 365XD and 600X
> all operate that way, whether by using "PS2 HIBER E" or the
> ThinkPad configuration software on Windows.
>
> Still, the BIOS handles hibernation and resumption. Consider that
> if you turn the machine on, it has no OS in memory, so it has to
> do something. It can either boot, or it can resume from hibernation.
>
> Chris
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Morrow" <penzance@gate.net>
> To: "Chris Schumann" <cschumann@twp-llc.com>; <jbrush@aros.net>;
> <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 5:01 PM
> Subject: Re: I am so screwed! :) (was hybernate forever)
>
>
> > NO, i think, not entirely correct in the case of some early thinkpads..
> > the 760 uses a utility to make the hibernate file..
> > its a DOS app or utility..
> > not part of the bios..
> > however, the bios might control reading and writing the hibernate file..
> > but the best solution, IMO, is rename it..
> > i THINK its called PMHIBER.BIN..
> >
> > Cordially,  :-)
> > Bill Morrow
> > WEB page http://thinkpads.com
> > thinkpads.com Open Forum
> > http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login?
> > E-Mail: bill at thinkpads dot com
>
>
>


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You can use the EXP PCMCIA DVD drive, but you need a hardware decoder, such
as putting it into a docking station and using the Hollywood Magic
It does work fine with a P133, but if going the SelectaDock Route, might as
well use an internal DVD drive
-----Original Message-----
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To: Adrian Gauci - Ciccio <agau005@um.edu.mt>
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Date: Friday, December 08, 2000 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: DVD for TP 760


>On Tue, 05 Dec 2000 10:36:15 -0800, Adrian Gauci - Ciccio wrote:
>
>>have you ever found out about the DVD for the Thinkpad 760..? what are
>>the difference of the TP 770 and 760..? let me now dude..
>
>Not sure if you can use DVD with the 760.  I doubt it, as the fastest 760 I
think
>is the 760XD, which I believe is a 166MMX CPU.  There are quite a few
differences between
>the 760 and 770.  If you check out the PDF files someone recently mentioned
on the
>list (which I'll download in just a moment), that should give some insight.
With finals approaching,
>and deciding classes for next semester, I don't have the time to update my
ThinkPad
>Assistant with the specs for those machines.
>
>Paul
>
>


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Sorry to ask this perennial question but does anyone have the URL for
the ThinkPad parts catalog?  Does one still exist?

Thanks,
David Jones

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At 03:44 PM 12/7/00 -0800, Paul Khoury wrote:
>Another question - which is better, DVD playback on the 770ED, or the 600E?
>If one has better playback than the other, then that'll also make a difference in
>the decision process.  Also, what is the screen size?  Personally I don't care,
>as long as the res is at least 1024*768 (tired of 640*480 on this 10.4" DSTN).
>Active Matrix is a must!

770 = 14.1", 600 = 13.3".  I thought the 13.3" was going to be a problem, but it turned out to be fine, and a worthy compromise for how portable it made the machine (important for me, as I carried it everywhere).  If you're planning on watching DVD's on the LCD screen, I guess this would be a big factor for you, but I wouldn't recommend watching DVD's on LCD screens anyway.  They look awful, in my opinion.

Both screens were sharp, clear and bright, in my opinion.  I think I had a stuck pixel on my 600X, but none have ever cropped up on my 770ED.

Both machines were limited to 1024x768, even hooked up to an external monitor, unfortunately.

- Ken
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Subject: 760cd
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Hi folks I have a friend with an IBM 760Cd with the following problem.Any
advice for him?
Thanks Russ Knorr 760CD owner also

Dont like to bother you on this one, you gave me some advice on the keyboard
driver for this machine a while back(IBM 760CD 9546). I am still trying to
get the keyboard to work. Maybe you can give me some more advice? When I
boot the machine off the hard drive none of the keys work. I found that when
I remove the hard drive and boot from a floppy all the keys work, I am also
able to enter the setup and move around there using the keyboard. Any ideas?
Any help will be greatly apreciated.


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must be something VERY strange on that HDD..
FWIW, go to easy setup, go to the test menu, use ctrl-A, then ctrl-K to get
a keyboard test..

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Russ Knorr" <rknorr@hvc.rr.com>
To: "Thinkpad" <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 7:48 PM
Subject: 760cd


> Hi folks I have a friend with an IBM 760Cd with the following problem.Any
> advice for him?
> Thanks Russ Knorr 760CD owner also
>
> Dont like to bother you on this one, you gave me some advice on the
keyboard
> driver for this machine a while back(IBM 760CD 9546). I am still trying to
> get the keyboard to work. Maybe you can give me some more advice? When I
> boot the machine off the hard drive none of the keys work. I found that
when
> I remove the hard drive and boot from a floppy all the keys work, I am
also
> able to enter the setup and move around there using the keyboard. Any
ideas?
> Any help will be greatly apreciated.
>
>


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From: Dominique Pivard <domi@kenavo.fi>
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 14:37:02 +0200
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Hi,

Is the PCMCIA Hard Drive HD Enclosure featured on the following auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1201431859

similar (in terms of compatibility and performance) to the IBM TravelStar
E (http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/prod/travelstar_e.htm)?

I have a few extra 2.5" drives (in the 4-6 GB range) that I could use in
connection with this unit, and it would be cheaper than the TravelStar E,
which already includes a drive.

How much worse is the performance of such a setup compared to the same IDE
drive in an UltraSlimBay 2nd hard drive adapter?

Thanks, Dominique


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Here is a little more info on the 760CD keyboard problem.
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg
To: Russ Knorr
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: 760cd thinkpad


Russ,

One hard drive has windows and the other just boots to the c: prompt. The
one drive just has the windows setup installed so when you press enter to
continue, no dice. The other just boots to a C: prompt. I am booting using a
win98 startup disk because I do not have the original disk for the thinkpad.
Maybe this might be a problem but it is strange the keyboard works booting
with the 98 disk. I tried a external keyboard and it doesnt work booting
from the hard drive or the floppy but the thinkpads keyboard worked when I
booted from the floppy with the external plugged. Also a boot up it shows
40756kb, there is two memory sticks installed. Shouldn't you have at least
8megs to boot? That was a mouth full, hope this gives you enough to ask at
the news group. Thank you very much for taking the time to help me out.

Greg
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Russ Knorr
  To: Greg
  Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 5:10 PM
  Subject: Re: 760cd thinkpad


  Hi Greg
  Wow this one is different.When you boot from the HD do you boot to Dos or
Windows?
  I belong to an IBM Thinkpad discussion group in
  England.I will post your problem and see what they might have to say.I am
sure they will have some questions like model # ram size HD size etc.
  I will post tomorrow and see what they say.I will look in my manual to see
if there is any reference.
  Regards Russ
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Greg
    To: rknorr@hvc.rr.com
    Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 6:35 PM
    Subject: 760cd thinkpad


    Russ,
    Dont like to bother you on this one, you gave me some advice on the
keyboard driver for this machine a while back(IBM 760CD 9546). I am still
trying to get the keyboard to work. Maybe you can give me some more advice?
When I boot the machine off the hard drive none of the keys work. I found
that when I remove the hard drive and boot from a floppy all the keys work,
I am also able to enter the setup and move around there using the keyboard.
Any ideas? Any help will be greatly apreciated.


    Thanks,

    Greg


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Hello,

  Does anyone knows where can I find info on recalled batteries for
  Thinkpad notebooks?


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I hope nobody minds my post, since I just about never make this
kind of post, but I'm listing my 760's 20X CD-ROM for sale on eBay.
Since a lot of people still probably have the 4X and 8X, I thought I'd
post this link.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1201509012

Thanks,

Paul



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This is a really great 730T.  Upgraded with loads of extras.  Great buy.  Hurry and bid while you can.  Great holiday gift idea.
 
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1201509012
 



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<P>&nbsp;<BR>This is a really great 730T.&nbsp; Upgraded with loads of extras.&nbsp; Great buy.&nbsp; Hurry and bid while you can.&nbsp; Great holiday gift idea.
<P>&nbsp;
<P><A href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=1201509012">http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=1201509012</A>
<P>&nbsp;</P><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br>
<a href="http://shopping.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! Shopping</a> - 
Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.
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I think you posted the wrong link, as this one takes you to a Cd rom
that is up for auction.


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The 730T for sale is actually at the link below:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1200716315
 
Thanks.
 
 
  Garrett Kaste <thinkpad760xd@yahoo.com> wrote: 



This is a really great 730T.  Upgraded with loads of extras.  Great buy.  Hurry and bid while you can.  Great holiday gift idea. 

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1201509012 

 





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<P> <BR>The 730T for sale is actually at the link below:</P>
<P><A href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=1200716315">http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=1200716315</A>
<P>&nbsp;
<P>Thanks.
<P>&nbsp;
<P>&nbsp;
<P>&nbsp; <B><I>Garrett Kaste &lt;thinkpad760xd@yahoo.com&gt;</I></B> wrote: <BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px"><BR>
<P><BR>This is a really great 730T.&nbsp; Upgraded with loads of extras.&nbsp; Great buy.&nbsp; Hurry and bid while you can.&nbsp; Great holiday gift idea. <BR>
<P> <BR>
<P><A href="http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=1201509012">http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;item=1201509012</A> <BR>
<P>&nbsp;</P><BR>
<P><BR><BR>
<HR SIZE=1>
<BR><B>Do You Yahoo!?</B><BR><A href="http://shopping.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! Shopping</A> - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.</BLOCKQUOTE><p><br><hr size=1><b>Do You Yahoo!?</b><br>
<a href="http://shopping.yahoo.com/">Yahoo! Shopping</a> - 
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IBM Anti Virus update available at:
ftp://ftp.symantec.com/public/english_us_canada/antivirus_definitions/ibmav/
File "av30gg.zip" is the most recent update; file posted 12/06/2000
OS2 Build 300.507

Matt




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I intend to buy a new ThinkPad to replace my TP 385XD, and would be
grateful for suggestions.  The requirements are that it be capable of
running OS/2 and Linux, and be less than $5,000 Australian.

Any suggestions?


Regards, Alex

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Hello,

I apologize for this commercial post and I hope my fellow Thinkpad users
/ list members will be somewhat forgiving. 

We sell a laptop accessory .... the Laptop Laidback (Version 3) which is
a laptop bed or sofa table. It regularly sells for $79.US but from now
until Christmas we'll let them go to list members for $59 US. 

If you've thought about getting this type of product .... then the time
& price
is right.  Order from our web site, 

http://www.laptop-laidback.com/index2.html 

and we'll take the $20. per unit off the total.  To get the sale price
simply add the letters IBM to your surname when ordering.


Doug - Laidback We "R"

PS: We can deliver to all North American destinations before Xmas if
orders are made before end of Dec.11 (Monday).
-- 
**************************************************************

          Douglas Martell - Laidback We "R" Inc.
            PO Box 271----151 Lochside Rd
            Arichat NS   B0E 1A0   Canada
         Phone: (902)-226-3092 , Fax. 226-0066
             e-mail: doug@laptop-laidback.com
              http://www.laptop-laidback.com 

**************************************************************

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I did a report on dougs product,
with my wife as the camera shy model..
the report might still be on my web site..

i find it very useful on those rare occasions i take a notebook to bed..
:-)

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
WEB page http://thinkpads.com
thinkpads.com Open Forum
http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login?
E-Mail: bill at thinkpads dot com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Doug Martell" <doug@laptop-laidback.com>
To: "ThinkPad Mailing List" <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Sunday, December 10, 2000 1:43 PM
Subject: 25% off for ThinkPad list members


> Hello,
>
> I apologize for this commercial post and I hope my fellow Thinkpad users
> / list members will be somewhat forgiving.
>
> We sell a laptop accessory .... the Laptop Laidback (Version 3) which is
> a laptop bed or sofa table. It regularly sells for $79.US but from now
> until Christmas we'll let them go to list members for $59 US.
>
> If you've thought about getting this type of product .... then the time
> & price
> is right.  Order from our web site,
>
> http://www.laptop-laidback.com/index2.html
>
> and we'll take the $20. per unit off the total.  To get the sale price
> simply add the letters IBM to your surname when ordering.
>
>
> Doug - Laidback We "R"
>
> PS: We can deliver to all North American destinations before Xmas if
> orders are made before end of Dec.11 (Monday).
> --
> **************************************************************
>
>           Douglas Martell - Laidback We "R" Inc.
>             PO Box 271----151 Lochside Rd
>             Arichat NS   B0E 1A0   Canada
>          Phone: (902)-226-3092 , Fax. 226-0066
>              e-mail: doug@laptop-laidback.com
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Wow, that was a fun adventure! :-)

My thanks and appreciation to all of you who offered ideas, or emotional
support, over my hibernation file problem. 

FWIW, the fix was deleting the hibernation file, but that is not as easy
as it sounds. I am just glad that I had another PC to put the drive into
so I could get rid of the file. I tried the MBR (I have done this before
with no problems, so it was not a great risk, IMO) and I attempted to turn
off the hibernate feature in the BIOS with PS2 commands, but was
unsuccessful, and I am not sure why, but I kept getting errors and version
mismatches. 

The hib file was on an HPFS partition. Before everyone tells me I
shouldn't do that, I ran it for a long time with no problems, so I don't
consider that to the be cause. However, it made things very interesting
when I put the drive in my desktop, which also has mulitple OSes and
partitions <g> The drive letters got all shifted around, and so I was
unable to boot anything except W95 and from there I could do nothing since
the file is hidden. I can use iHPFS to get to the drive from Fat16, but
could not change its attributes to get at it. I booted from OS/2 install
disks, but there is no attrib command on the floppies, and the attrib.exe
files on the HDs were all from fixpaks, so the versions were incompatible.
The plot thickens! :-) Finally, I just FISKED the partition with the
hibernate file and restored it all later from backup. (you all have
backups, right? <g>)

Now the hib file is on C: Fat16 so it will be easier to fix if it bombs
again. I think what is most misleading is that fact the BIOS looks at the
hib file first thing, rather than following the setup which tells it to
boot from the floppy first, then look for the HD. This is standard
convention on a PC, and its rather stupid for the laptop to not follow the
settings in the BIOS. My assumption when first using hibernate was that if
their was a problem I could just boot a floppy and deal with it. Wrong.

One would think it to be no problem to have the hib file go bust, as long
as its possible to boot from a floppy. I don't know if any of you have had
this problem, but from what I saw here, if your hib file is bad, you have
NO choice but to put the drive into another computer and delete the bad
file. I was unable to boot from a floppy. I consider this to be very poor
design, and it makes me wonder if later thinkpads deal with this in a more
elegant manner.

I can have no great respect for programmers that allow a system to hang
itself with no way out. How hard could it be to give the BIOS enough
brains to know that if the hibernate file is corrupt, just go ahead and
run a normal bootup, or at least go see if there is a floppy to boot from?
IBM gets an F- from me on this one for sure.

Anyway, I am fixed, and very grateful for all the support.

Happy Holidays to all.


Regards from Utah,

John


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I'm coming in at the end of your saga.  But in the ThinkPads
(755,770,380xd,240 & 600e)I have owned one can delete the activation of the
Hibernation file by remarking it out of the autoexec.bat.  Also Win 95 still
contains a version of the pre-Win-95 File Manager (WINDOWS\WINFILE.EXE) and
from this program you can see all files and change all attributes.

Well I don't know if this will help in the future or just confuse matters
more. But I know the above is do-able when in trouble with the Hibernation
mode - I've done it.

SCB


-----Original Message-----
From: jbrush@aros.net <jbrush@aros.net>
To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Date: Sunday, December 10, 2000 6:20 PM
Subject: I am unscrewed....


>Wow, that was a fun adventure! :-)
>
>My thanks and appreciation to all of you who offered ideas, or emotional
>support, over my hibernation file problem.
>
>FWIW, the fix was deleting the hibernation file, but that is not as easy
>as it sounds. I am just glad that I had another PC to put the drive into
>so I could get rid of the file. I tried the MBR (I have done this before
>with no problems, so it was not a great risk, IMO) and I attempted to turn
>off the hibernate feature in the BIOS with PS2 commands, but was
>unsuccessful, and I am not sure why, but I kept getting errors and version
>mismatches.
>
>The hib file was on an HPFS partition. Before everyone tells me I
>shouldn't do that, I ran it for a long time with no problems, so I don't
>consider that to the be cause. However, it made things very interesting
>when I put the drive in my desktop, which also has mulitple OSes and
>partitions <g> The drive letters got all shifted around, and so I was
>unable to boot anything except W95 and from there I could do nothing since
>the file is hidden. I can use iHPFS to get to the drive from Fat16, but
>could not change its attributes to get at it. I booted from OS/2 install
>disks, but there is no attrib command on the floppies, and the attrib.exe
>files on the HDs were all from fixpaks, so the versions were incompatible.
>The plot thickens! :-) Finally, I just FISKED the partition with the
>hibernate file and restored it all later from backup. (you all have
>backups, right? <g>)
>
>Now the hib file is on C: Fat16 so it will be easier to fix if it bombs
>again. I think what is most misleading is that fact the BIOS looks at the
>hib file first thing, rather than following the setup which tells it to
>boot from the floppy first, then look for the HD. This is standard
>convention on a PC, and its rather stupid for the laptop to not follow the
>settings in the BIOS. My assumption when first using hibernate was that if
>their was a problem I could just boot a floppy and deal with it. Wrong.
>
>One would think it to be no problem to have the hib file go bust, as long
>as its possible to boot from a floppy. I don't know if any of you have had
>this problem, but from what I saw here, if your hib file is bad, you have
>NO choice but to put the drive into another computer and delete the bad
>file. I was unable to boot from a floppy. I consider this to be very poor
>design, and it makes me wonder if later thinkpads deal with this in a more
>elegant manner.
>
>I can have no great respect for programmers that allow a system to hang
>itself with no way out. How hard could it be to give the BIOS enough
>brains to know that if the hibernate file is corrupt, just go ahead and
>run a normal bootup, or at least go see if there is a floppy to boot from?
>IBM gets an F- from me on this one for sure.
>
>Anyway, I am fixed, and very grateful for all the support.
>
>Happy Holidays to all.
>
>
>Regards from Utah,
>
>John
>


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A couple of questions, Anybody know how to overclock a
TP535E. Is there any way to get IRQ steering to work?
It is under "System Devices," "PCI Bus," "IRQ
Steering." Any of the English Thinkpad utilities work
on this japanese machine? One other thing, I put in a
64mb dimm but it only saw 32mb, any way of getting it
to see all 64? Thanks much in advance!!

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At 07:24 PM 12/10/00 -0500, Simon Bryquer wrote:
>I'm coming in at the end of your saga.  But in the ThinkPads
>(755,770,380xd,240 & 600e)I have owned one can delete the activation of the
>Hibernation file by remarking it out of the autoexec.bat.

But, in the situation John had, he was stuck in a state where the machine insisted on trying to resume from hibernation.  At this point, autoexec.bat doesn't even enter into the picture.  The BIOS wasn't letting the machine boot from any drive.

>   Also Win 95 still
>contains a version of the pre-Win-95 File Manager (WINDOWS\WINFILE.EXE) and
>from this program you can see all files and change all attributes.

Windows 95 and 98's Explorer lets you work with hidden files.  You just have to set the Folder View options (whatever they call it in your version) to Show Hidden Files.  John, I'm guessing that what you said in your last message about not being able to access the hidden file was faulty.  W95's Explorer lets you do it, and the DOS Command Prompt in W95 has the "attrib" command.

Glad you got it resolved.  I'm a little nervous about it ever happening on my 770ED.  Hasn't yet.

- Ken
kenzo@free-music.com


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how much is that in REAL dollars..  :-)
heh, heh..

Cordially,  :-)
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----- Original Message ----- 
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> I intend to buy a new ThinkPad to replace my TP 385XD, and would be
> grateful for suggestions.  The requirements are that it be capable of
> running OS/2 and Linux, and be less than $5,000 Australian.
> 
> Any suggestions?
> 
> 
> Regards, Alex
> 
> http://www.onlink.net/~outreach/
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> 


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On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 19:44:20 -0800, Computer-Guru wrote:

>I think you posted the wrong link, as this one takes you to a Cd rom
>that is up for auction.
>
>
Hey, if you want to buy my CD-ROM to go with that 730T.

Even though it won't nessecarily work together... ;-)




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On 10 Dec 2000,  <jbrush@aros.net> wrote:

> My thanks and appreciation to all of you who offered ideas,
> or emotional support, over my hibernation file problem. 

Glad you're back to normal...

This may be irrelevant, but I had some trouble trying to get rid 
of my 100 MB hibernation file (I needed the disk space). I'd 
disable hibernation in ThinkPad Configuration, the file would be 
deleted, but at next boot would be created again. I discovered it 
was (of course) necessary to REM out the "C:\THINKPAD\PS2 
HFILE C" line in the autoexec.bat, which was neither done 
automatically, nor did I find a helpful explanation that this had 
to be done manually. Perhaps some of the behavior you were 
fighting was due to similar lines in boot files?      

Best,
John Goodman

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or is that loose..??
or cannon..??
uhh..
well, anyway, merry christmas/holidays/hannukah(?) to all and to all a good
day..  :-)


Cordially,  :-)
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Has he downloaded all the latest files from www.pc.ibm.com.  There are
quite a number of fixes in some of those utility files.

This is a strange one, and I have worked on over 3500 760's.

If this doesn't work, I'm afraid he is going to need a reformat with
the recovery disc... and that isn't easy unless you have done it a few
times.

If it is one without the CD Drive, I hope he has the original disk
set.

Ray

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Anybody know where we can get the recovery Cd and loader for the 760CD?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg" <gregr@cyberlink.bc.ca>
To: "Russ Knorr" <RKnorr@hvc.rr.com>
Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: 760cd


> I have downloaded all the file's from IBM's site and upgraded everything
> they had.
>
> I do not have a recouvery disk mentioned, is this on a floppy that you
could
> get?
> I have a cd rom for this machine.
> I am up against a wall now, every function an the keyboard works when the
> hard drive is removed.
> If you could find me these files to reformat that would be great!
>
> Thanks Russ
>
> Greg
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Russ Knorr" <rknorr@hvc.rr.com>
> To: <gregr@cyberlink.bc.ca>
> Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 1:17 PM
> Subject: Fw: 760cd
>
>
> > Greg here is another comment on your problem.
> > Russ
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Ray Bay" <canyonlands@theriver.com>
> > To: "Russ Knorr" <RKnorr@hvc.rr.com>
> > Cc: "Thinkpad" <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
> > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2000 1:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: 760cd
> >
> >
> > > Has he downloaded all the latest files from www.pc.ibm.com.  There are
> > > quite a number of fixes in some of those utility files.
> > >
> > > This is a strange one, and I have worked on over 3500 760's.
> > >
> > > If this doesn't work, I'm afraid he is going to need a reformat with
> > > the recovery disc... and that isn't easy unless you have done it a few
> > > times.
> > >
> > > If it is one without the CD Drive, I hope he has the original disk
> > > set.
> > >
> > > Ray
> > >
> >
>
>


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In an effort to make my laptop even more useful I tried this product. My
initial impression when I unpacked it was "Way too expensive for a few
pieces of wood." $59 is better, $29 would be spot on.

The only place I find it helpful is in bed, too awkward on a couch or
chair. I think I used it half a dozen times in a year. It is handy to have
when sick, or to watch movies in bed. The legs are quite adjustable,
nearly to a fault. It is impossible to make my unit sit solidly on a table
due to the slightly different angle of each leg. On a bed this does not
matter, since the suface is soft.

Should you get one? IMNSHO, only if you Think frequently in bed.

On Sun, 10 Dec 2000, Doug Martell wrote:

> We sell a laptop accessory .... the Laptop Laidback (Version 3) which is
> a laptop bed or sofa table. It regularly sells for $79.US but from now
> until Christmas we'll let them go to list members for $59 US. 
> 

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During bootup with my 600E I am suddenly getting the following 
error message that is reported somewhere in the autoexec or 
config sys routines:

C:\Thinkpad\PS2 HFILE C
Cannot execute PS2MAIN.EXE
Insufficient Memory

Can anyone translate or clarify?

Thanks.

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Hi all,

	Using my T20 with Win2K, it seems I rather suddenly can't go into suspend 
mode without getting a Blue Screen that says something about 
"Diver_Power_State_Failure".

	I searched MS's site and found a few things, but it seems awfully tedious 
to locate the problem.  Has anybody already experienced this with their 
ThinkPad, and if so, did you locate the problem?  What was it?

Thanks in advance,
- Randy


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Hi folks,

I was wondering if anyone's got a nearly useless 755-series battery 
he'd be willing to part with for chump-change (or pizza coupons, or 
???).  My very first Thinkpad, a 755CSE has come back to me after 
being handed down through several people at work (I rescued it from 
the trash -- the backlight is out, and it was deemed not worth getting 
repaired).  So now I've got it sitting on my home network running 
OpenBSD (I ssh-tunnel through it to get to my ISP's resources from 
within their cloud while I'm at work), and its battery is _so_ gone 
that it can't even survive a momentary power outage.  So what I'm 
looking for is a battery that's got maybe 10 minutes or so left in it, 
just enough to carry it through brief power events without shutting 
off...

Thanks,

 - Brian Bender
   TP600: PII/300, 224MB RAM, 10GB HDD,
   Dual-booting Slackware-current and NT5.

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Hi Chuck,

Obviously, something has changed. I expect it is the order
of statements in your files.

This line creates the hibernation file. If you know it's
always there, you can comment out or delete the line.

If you want it to work, then be sure your path is correct,
and that the memory drivers are loaded.

Maybe your autoexec.bat file was deleted?

Anyone else have some ideas?

Chris

----- Original Message ----- 
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> During bootup with my 600E I am suddenly getting the following 
> error message that is reported somewhere in the autoexec or 
> config sys routines:
> 
> C:\Thinkpad\PS2 HFILE C
> Cannot execute PS2MAIN.EXE
> Insufficient Memory
> 
> Can anyone translate or clarify?
> 
> Thanks.
> 


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I've finally managed to track down a PCMCIA GPS card, now my next
mountain to climb is getting it to work under OS/2!!

The PCMCIA card simple connects to a small GPS device over a short
cable, and I suspect it is merely acting as a PCMCIA RS232 card...
When inserted, Card Director allocates it as Com3: and identifies it
is an Etak GPS Card.

Can anyone tell me whether I should be able access the GPS receiver
as if it where talking straight to Com3: ?

I have a similar receiver which connects to a normal serial port
and I have no problems receiver data from that via a simple REXX
script.

Has anyone ever used a PCMCIA RS232 card? What's involved in setting
it up?

--
John



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Hi everyone I'm new to this list.  I was wondering if anyone has compiled a
ThinkPad FAQ?  I've found the archives to this list to be very informative,
but alas I can't seem to find a FAQ related to this list.  If there isn't a
FAQ is there anyone working on one?  If there isn't for some reason I got
this idea that maybe it would be interesting to write one up based upon the
wealth of information from the archive.  From what I've observed the IBM
website indeed has a wealth of information about the ThinkPad, but there
appears to be some information lacking.  I've also noticed that discussions
tend to be repeated on this list quite often.
Thanks for your attention,
Troy


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Is it a Winmodem or a real modem.  We just bought 5 A20m's for work
and we're thinking Linux.

Thanks!

Bob



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At 01:44 AM 12/13/2000 +0500, BlUe hvn@stake wrote:

>Hi everyone I'm new to this list.  I was wondering if anyone has compiled a
>ThinkPad FAQ?  I've found the archives to this list to be very informative,
>but alas I can't seem to find a FAQ related to this list.  If there isn't a
>FAQ is there anyone working on one?  If there isn't for some reason I got
>this idea that maybe it would be interesting to write one up based upon the
>wealth of information from the archive.  From what I've observed the IBM
>website indeed has a wealth of information about the ThinkPad, but there
>appears to be some information lacking.  I've also noticed that discussions
>tend to be repeated on this list quite often.
>

We don't have one that I'm aware of.  I nominate you to write it.

Thanks!

Jane

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IBM has at least 6 new TP models each year, so the question is, if you mean
an up-to-date FAQ concerning always new models (which means to compete with
IBM web-site) ...or... a profound FAQ about all Thinkpads manufactured (this
also means to compete with IBM web-site).
IBM website is the best manufacturer-own support-site in the web.

However I would have one suggestion: a list with the numbers and names of
upgradable parts for Thinkpads. Plus opinions and experience from users. (so
for example if somebody has a 700z or 1700 and wants to upgrade drive or
DVD.)

Roland



----- Original Message -----
From: BlUe hvn@stake <kukl@mail.ru>
To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: 12. Dezember 2000 21:44
Subject: TP FAQ.


| Hi everyone I'm new to this list.  I was wondering if anyone has compiled
a
| ThinkPad FAQ?  I've found the archives to this list to be very
informative,
| but alas I can't seem to find a FAQ related to this list.  If there isn't
a
| FAQ is there anyone working on one?  If there isn't for some reason I got
| this idea that maybe it would be interesting to write one up based upon
the
| wealth of information from the archive.  From what I've observed the IBM
| website indeed has a wealth of information about the ThinkPad, but there
| appears to be some information lacking.  I've also noticed that
discussions
| tend to be repeated on this list quite often.
| Thanks for your attention,
| Troy
|
|

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IBM has at least 6 new TP models each year, so the question is, if you mean
an up-to-date FAQ concerning always new models (which means to compete with
IBM web-site) ...or... a profound FAQ about all Thinkpads manufactured (this
also means to compete with IBM web-site).
IBM website is the best manufacturer-own support-site in the web.

However I would have one suggestion: a list with the numbers and names of
upgradable parts for Thinkpads. Plus opinions and experience from users. (so
for example if somebody has a 700z or 1700 and wants to upgrade drive or
DVD.)

Roland



----- Original Message -----
From: BlUe hvn@stake <kukl@mail.ru>
To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: 12. Dezember 2000 21:44
Subject: TP FAQ.


| Hi everyone I'm new to this list.  I was wondering if anyone has compiled
a
| ThinkPad FAQ?  I've found the archives to this list to be very
informative,
| but alas I can't seem to find a FAQ related to this list.  If there isn't
a
| FAQ is there anyone working on one?  If there isn't for some reason I got
| this idea that maybe it would be interesting to write one up based upon
the
| wealth of information from the archive.  From what I've observed the IBM
| website indeed has a wealth of information about the ThinkPad, but there
| appears to be some information lacking.  I've also noticed that
discussions
| tend to be repeated on this list quite often.
| Thanks for your attention,
| Troy
|


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On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 at 05:30 PM you, Jane Loyless <jloyless@netbox.com>,
said:

>We don't have one that I'm aware of.  I nominate you to write it.

The need for a FAQ would be considerably alleviated if there were a
searchable archive of the list (which doesn't exist AFAIK). This is one
nice thing about mailing lists hosted by eGroups.

-Dominique

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Sean Chou started a nice-looking FAQ some years back; whatever happened to it?

W/r to:
> The need for a FAQ would be considerably alleviated if there were a
> searchable archive of the list (which doesn't exist AFAIK).

The archiive structure is fairly user-friendly, in that you can sort by
subject.

- David R.


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Hello,

  If anyone needs, I have one battery for Thinkpad 600 series.
  P/N 12P4064. Battery is brand new in original IBM box. 10.8V, 3.2AH
  Made in Japan
  Let me know if interested. I will make picture tomorrow, if anyone
  will need it.

  Btw, if anyone need chassis of 600 with 13.3 screen..
  http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1202000141

  also floppy/cdrom combo for 390/390e
  http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1201843385
  (could be upgraded to dvd, but bazel of cdrom will be different)

  As far as I remeber, we also have 2 dvd drives for 770 series and we
  will put on eBay tomorrow if no offers will be received.

  DVD for 600/600E/600x/570 also available for $69.99 (only 10 pcs
  left in stock)

  Sorry for this long list of parts, but may be someone looking..
  Sorry if ads here is off-topic.
  

-- 
 Sashka <list@tryam.com>
 "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers."
Thomas Watson, chairman of IBM, 1943



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and i'll post it on thinkpads.com
:-)

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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----- Original Message -----
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> At 01:44 AM 12/13/2000 +0500, BlUe hvn@stake wrote:
>
> >Hi everyone I'm new to this list.  I was wondering if anyone has compiled
a
> >ThinkPad FAQ?  I've found the archives to this list to be very
informative,
> >but alas I can't seem to find a FAQ related to this list.  If there isn't
a
> >FAQ is there anyone working on one?  If there isn't for some reason I got
> >this idea that maybe it would be interesting to write one up based upon
the
> >wealth of information from the archive.  From what I've observed the IBM
> >website indeed has a wealth of information about the ThinkPad, but there
> >appears to be some information lacking.  I've also noticed that
discussions
> >tend to be repeated on this list quite often.
> >
>
> We don't have one that I'm aware of.  I nominate you to write it.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Jane
>


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they ALL appear to be winmodems..!

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Greschke" <bob@passcal.passcal.nmt.edu>
To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 5:23 PM
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> Is it a Winmodem or a real modem.  We just bought 5 A20m's for work
> and we're thinking Linux.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 


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g'day!

Is there anyone around here who'll be willing to give comments on TP390 and
TP560X 'cause I'm thinking of buying one? I mostly run Word, Excel, IE,
Outlook, Netscape Navigator, Apache, MySQL, Homesite, PHP, Perl and might
need IIS, JSP, Microsoft SQL in the future. Web apps are mostly used for
testing database-driven sites (I'm a telecomuter).

Thanx a lot in advance.

Svetlana


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FWIW, the 390 is bigger and heavier than the 600..

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kooringa" <svexa@mail.ru>
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> g'day!
>
> Is there anyone around here who'll be willing to give comments on TP390
and
> TP560X 'cause I'm thinking of buying one? I mostly run Word, Excel, IE,
> Outlook, Netscape Navigator, Apache, MySQL, Homesite, PHP, Perl and might
> need IIS, JSP, Microsoft SQL in the future. Web apps are mostly used for
> testing database-driven sites (I'm a telecomuter).
>
> Thanx a lot in advance.
>
> Svetlana
>
>


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Not to mention the 560X, which is the other Thinkpad he mentioned.

- David R. (writing from a 560X)

----- Original Message ----- 
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> FWIW, the 390 is bigger and heavier than the 600..
> 
> Cordially,  :-)
> Bill Morrow
> WEB page http://thinkpads.com
> thinkpads.com Open Forum
> http://www.afaonline.com:8080/webboard/$webb.exe/~2/login?
> E-Mail: bill at thinkpads dot com
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kooringa" <svexa@mail.ru>
> To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 3:12 PM
> Subject: [TP390] how good is it?
> 
> 
> > g'day!
> >
> > Is there anyone around here who'll be willing to give comments on TP390
> and
> > TP560X 'cause I'm thinking of buying one? I mostly run Word, Excel, IE,
> > Outlook, Netscape Navigator, Apache, MySQL, Homesite, PHP, Perl and might
> > need IIS, JSP, Microsoft SQL in the future. Web apps are mostly used for
> > testing database-driven sites (I'm a telecomuter).
> >
> > Thanx a lot in advance.
> >
> > Svetlana
> >
> >
> 
> 


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On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:57:44 +0000, John Poltorak wrote:

>The PCMCIA card simple connects to a small GPS device over a short
>cable, and I suspect it is merely acting as a PCMCIA RS232 card...
>When inserted, Card Director allocates it as Com3: and identifies it
>is an Etak GPS Card.
>Can anyone tell me whether I should be able access the GPS receiver
>as if it where talking straight to Com3: ?
>I have a similar receiver which connects to a normal serial port
>and I have no problems receiver data from that via a simple REXX
>script.
>Has anyone ever used a PCMCIA RS232 card? What's involved in setting
>it up?

Theoretically speaking you should be able to use the OS/2 mapping program
which is on hobbes.nmsu.edu. It uses a comport to communicate with the
GPS, so using your com3 shouldn't be a problem.

If you need details about the communication between rexx and the GPS/comport
then you may email the author of that program, he should know the details.

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¨Hi

My question is related to the T20. Is it possible to hook the T20 up 
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On Wed, Dec 13, 2000 at 01:53:10PM +0000, Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 19:57:44 +0000, John Poltorak wrote:
>
> >The PCMCIA card simple connects to a small GPS device over a short
> >cable, and I suspect it is merely acting as a PCMCIA RS232 card...
> >When inserted, Card Director allocates it as Com3: and identifies it
> >is an Etak GPS Card.
> >Can anyone tell me whether I should be able access the GPS receiver
> >as if it where talking straight to Com3: ?
> >I have a similar receiver which connects to a normal serial port
> >and I have no problems receiver data from that via a simple REXX
> >script.
> >Has anyone ever used a PCMCIA RS232 card? What's involved in setting
> >it up?
>
> Theoretically speaking you should be able to use the OS/2 mapping program
> which is on hobbes.nmsu.edu. It uses a comport to communicate with the
> GPS, so using your com3 shouldn't be a problem.

At the moment, I'm not looking into trying to do any mapping. My first
task is to get the card configured properly and be able to read from
it, but there doesn't seem to be anything coming from it.

> If you need details about the communication between rexx and the GPS/comport
> then you may email the author of that program, he should know the details.

Reading from a normal comport is quite straightforward. These couple
of lines will read data from a GPS device connected to an ordinary
serial port:-


/* */
port = 'com1:'
'@MODE' port'4800,n,8,1,idsr=off,ODSR=OFF,OCTS=ON,dtr=on,RTS=HS >nul'
do while chars(port) \= 0
say charin(port)
end


This doesn't work for the PCMCIA card and no comms program I've tried
is able to read from it either. I'm wondering if I need any additional
device driver to access it properly, or maybe configure COM.SYS
specifically for a PCMCIA serial card...

I was thinking of using Ray Gwinn's line monitor program from SIO, but
have no idea if that would work.


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I believe that I read some time ago that there was some type of add-in board
for the 600E to provide the TV out port. Had anyone purchased and installed
one? How much do they cost? How difficult is the installation? Thanks.

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> FWIW, the 390 is bigger and heavier than the 600..
 I'm aware of it (read the specs). The weight doesn't really matter. I'd
rather hear comments on system perfomance due to different processors used.

Svetlana
>
> Cordially,  :-)
> Bill Morrow
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kooringa" <svexa@mail.ru>
> To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2000 3:12 PM
> Subject: [TP390] how good is it?
>
>
> > g'day!
> >
> > Is there anyone around here who'll be willing to give comments on TP390
> and
> > TP560X 'cause I'm thinking of buying one? I mostly run Word, Excel, IE,
> > Outlook, Netscape Navigator, Apache, MySQL, Homesite, PHP, Perl and
might
> > need IIS, JSP, Microsoft SQL in the future. Web apps are mostly used for
> > testing database-driven sites (I'm a telecomuter).
> >
> > Thanx a lot in advance.
> >
> > Svetlana
> >
> >
>
>


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g'day!

> IBM website is the best manufacturer-own support-site in the web.
IBM website is really good. The only problem I have with it is absence of
pictures for withdrawn thinkpads. Was I bad at searching or it really
doesn't have them? Can anyone recommend a site with nicely illustrated
catalog of Thinkpad models? I'm mostly interested in withdrawn ones.

Svetlana


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> > The need for a FAQ would be considerably alleviated if there were a
> > searchable archive of the list (which doesn't exist AFAIK).
>
> The archiive structure is fairly user-friendly, in that you can sort by
> subject.

Unfortunately subject is not always as informative as I wish it'd be:-(

Svetlana



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Thanks all for your suggestions on which ThinkPad to get.
I've decided on a 600E, because it's small, and has all the features I need,
and a 13.3" LCD is more than enough for me (good thing my eyesight isn't destroyed
from CRTs - I was able to see the holes in magnetic core memory in my comp sci
class without the microscope).

So I've already bought the DVD drive (trying to buy one without DVD hoping it's cheaper),
and a 3COM Cardbus 10/100 + 56K modem combo.  I think I'm going to have lots
of fun with this, like I did when I first got my 701 4 1/2 years ago (can believe I've
had it since I was 16 - wow).

Regards,

Paul



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If anyone has any experience with the following problem, or ideas on what to
try, it would be appreciated...

I was looking to install Linux onto my 385CD, but was having problems
installing DOS 6.22 (because I wish to make it a dual boot system). After
failing to get DOS 6.22 to boot properly from the HD, I have started all
over as simple as possible to just try and get DOS to boot.

So, I reformatted my hard drive (2.1 gig, single partition as C:), and have
attempted to install DOS 6.22, and then as a second attempt tried PC DOS 7.
After each installation, the computer reboots and gives me a I9990302, which
is apparently the error for HD not found. If I run DOS off a floppy, I can
see the c: just fine, and can move things on and off of it.

Does anyone have some thoughts?

Thank you,

Jamin Johnson
jamin@usc.edu


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Jamin Johnson [mailto:jamin@usc.edu] wrote:

> Does anyone have some thoughts?

Are you _positive_ that you added the /S (system) switch to the FORMAT C:
statement?

Regards,

James


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Hello,

first of all, you need to make surre, that your disks are bootable
(format c:/s, or sys c:). Then you need to make sure, that you have
selected active partition (fdisk, then select 2 and select active
partition) - I bet this is a problem, since I've got message like that
few days ago, when installed 12gig hdd and forgot to make active
partition.

Let me know if this helps. if not - will try more things...


Aleks

Wednesday, December 13, 2000, 6:03:48 PM, you wrote:
JJ> If anyone has any experience with the following problem, or ideas on what to
JJ> try, it would be appreciated...

JJ> I was looking to install Linux onto my 385CD, but was having problems
JJ> installing DOS 6.22 (because I wish to make it a dual boot system). After
JJ> failing to get DOS 6.22 to boot properly from the HD, I have started all
JJ> over as simple as possible to just try and get DOS to boot.

JJ> So, I reformatted my hard drive (2.1 gig, single partition as C:), and have
JJ> attempted to install DOS 6.22, and then as a second attempt tried PC DOS 7.
JJ> After each installation, the computer reboots and gives me a I9990302, which
JJ> is apparently the error for HD not found. If I run DOS off a floppy, I can
JJ> see the c: just fine, and can move things on and off of it.

JJ> Does anyone have some thoughts?

JJ> Thank you,

JJ> Jamin Johnson
JJ> jamin@usc.edu




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Hello,

There  is  few PCMCIA cards (one called Margi DVD-TO-GO and another is
Kingmax  DVD  ZV).  Margi  is  best  one and more expensive - it costs
around 75-80 on eBay. Kingmax you can get for $30-45 on ebay, but it's
supported  under  Windows  95/98  only. No 2000 or ME support. I don't
know if it will work under Linux or OS/2..
Both of these cards has tv out connector, so you can watch DVD on your
TV.

If someone knows more ways to get TV Out - it will be great.


Wednesday, December 13, 2000, 1:05:07 PM, you wrote:
RL> I believe that I read some time ago that there was some type of add-in board
RL> for the 600E to provide the TV out port. Had anyone purchased and installed
RL> one? How much do they cost? How difficult is the installation? Thanks.

RL> Rusty





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Hello,

Yep, 600e is nice thing. I couldn't find notebook that I like: I had
Dell Inspiron 3200, Latitude CS, but Thinkpad 600E is the best one!

Btw, why did you buy modem, when you have built in in your notebook? I
bet it will work same way. Personally, I used modem last time year ago
before  I've  got  DSL  (will  have  to  use  modem again soon :-( DSL
provider  loooks  like  going  out  of business). And I tried modem in
thinkpad and worked good. I could browse ebay, and read e-mails..

Wednesday, December 13, 2000, 5:25:15 PM, you wrote:
PK> Thanks all for your suggestions on which ThinkPad to get.
PK> I've decided on a 600E, because it's small, and has all the features I need,
PK> and a 13.3" LCD is more than enough for me (good thing my eyesight isn't destroyed
PK> from CRTs - I was able to see the holes in magnetic core memory in my comp sci
PK> class without the microscope).

PK> So I've already bought the DVD drive (trying to buy one without DVD hoping it's cheaper),
PK> and a 3COM Cardbus 10/100 + 56K modem combo.  I think I'm going to have lots
PK> of fun with this, like I did when I first got my 701 4 1/2 years ago (can believe I've
PK> had it since I was 16 - wow).

PK> Regards,

PK> Paul





-- 
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When I worked as a broadcast engineer and had to call a consultant for
help with an apparently defective piece of broadcast equipment, the
first thing they always asked was, "Is the unit turned on?"  "Is it
plugged in?" So I hope these questions are not too insulting. 
Sometimes you can get so frustrated trying to fix something like this,
that you forget some of your basics and fundamentals.

What do you get when you do "FDISK"?  Is your partition set up
properly and active?  Have you ascertained that the C:\ drive has the
system installed? Can you see command.com on C:\ when you look at it
from the A drive.

Do you have an opportunity to put the drive into a friend's computer
to see if it can be read or operate properly in a similar unit... and
will the friend's hard drive work in yours.

Have you been using the Thinkpad recovery disk to see if that loads
the hard drive properly?

Have you downloaded ALL the necessary files from the IBM support
sites.

Have you installed the latest BIOS?

Have you "initialized" your computer?  Sometimes IRQ's get hung up
during re-configuring a laptop.  The way to clear the IRQ's so they
are available for the various drives is to start up with the F1 key
held down so you go to the test menu's.  When you get to the
"Initialize?" screen, click "OK" or Yes or whatever it is. Once it has
been "initialized" you know that the IRQ's are free. 

Then you can go back to trying all the various functions. If you do a
lot of messing with the drives and such, go back and initialize all
over again.

Remember, it is a simple toy. But it will get you while you are
frustrated. Give up. Do something else. Take a nap. Or wait until
morning. You might catch that Thinkpad unawares.

Ray

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Two suggestions
...
1) make sure you are partitioning as FAT (FAT16) and NOT FAT32

2) run FDISK, and make sure that your partition is set as ACTIVE.

Richard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jamin Johnson" <jamin@usc.edu>
To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 6:03 PM
Subject: Problem installing DOS onto a Thinkpad 385CD


> If anyone has any experience with the following problem, or ideas on what
to
> try, it would be appreciated...
>
> I was looking to install Linux onto my 385CD, but was having problems
> installing DOS 6.22 (because I wish to make it a dual boot system). After
> failing to get DOS 6.22 to boot properly from the HD, I have started all
> over as simple as possible to just try and get DOS to boot.
>
> So, I reformatted my hard drive (2.1 gig, single partition as C:), and
have
> attempted to install DOS 6.22, and then as a second attempt tried PC DOS
7.
> After each installation, the computer reboots and gives me a I9990302,
which
> is apparently the error for HD not found. If I run DOS off a floppy, I can
> see the c: just fine, and can move things on and off of it.
>
> Does anyone have some thoughts?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Jamin Johnson
> jamin@usc.edu
>


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Used to was you could find "legacy" models at their site.  Nowadays if you're
lucky you can find them at one of the 'international' sites, eg ibm.co.au etc.

For example, here's the 390:

http://www.pc.ibm.com/la/thinkpad/ThinkPad_390/thinkpad_390.html

...and here's the 560X:

http://www.ibm.co.jp/pc/thinkpad/tp56082/tp56082a.html

:-)

- David R.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Kooringa" <svexa@mail.ru>
To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 10:13 AM
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> g'day!
>
> > IBM website is the best manufacturer-own support-site in the web.
> IBM website is really good. The only problem I have with it is absence of
> pictures for withdrawn thinkpads. Was I bad at searching or it really
> doesn't have them? Can anyone recommend a site with nicely illustrated
> catalog of Thinkpad models? I'm mostly interested in withdrawn ones.
>
> Svetlana
>
>



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Thanks to all that gave me advice on how to fix my problem with install DOS
6.22.

Turns out I needed to run a "FDISK /mbr" to rid the master boot record of
bits of Windows 95. Did that and everything came out fine.

Jamin


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Chalk [mailto:rchalk@nettaxi.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 6:47 PM
> To: Jamin Johnson; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
> Subject: Re: Problem installing DOS onto a Thinkpad 385CD
>
>
> Two suggestions
> ...
> 1) make sure you are partitioning as FAT (FAT16) and NOT FAT32
>
> 2) run FDISK, and make sure that your partition is set as ACTIVE.
>
> Richard
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jamin Johnson" <jamin@usc.edu>
> To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 6:03 PM
> Subject: Problem installing DOS onto a Thinkpad 385CD
>
>
> > If anyone has any experience with the following problem, or
> ideas on what
> to
> > try, it would be appreciated...
> >
> > I was looking to install Linux onto my 385CD, but was having problems
> > installing DOS 6.22 (because I wish to make it a dual boot
> system). After
> > failing to get DOS 6.22 to boot properly from the HD, I have started all
> > over as simple as possible to just try and get DOS to boot.
> >
> > So, I reformatted my hard drive (2.1 gig, single partition as C:), and
> have
> > attempted to install DOS 6.22, and then as a second attempt tried PC DOS
> 7.
> > After each installation, the computer reboots and gives me a I9990302,
> which
> > is apparently the error for HD not found. If I run DOS off a
> floppy, I can
> > see the c: just fine, and can move things on and off of it.
> >
> > Does anyone have some thoughts?
> >
> > Thank you,
> >
> > Jamin Johnson
> > jamin@usc.edu
> >
>


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On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 15:03:48 -0800, Jamin Johnson wrote:
>
>So, I reformatted my hard drive (2.1 gig, single partition as C:), 
and have
>attempted to install DOS 6.22, and then as a second attempt tried PC 
DOS 7.
>After each installation, the computer reboots and gives me a 
I9990302, which
>is apparently the error for HD not found. 

IIRC DOS is limited to 2.0 gb.  There is a workaround.  Someone
else can help

Jeffrey Race


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some 600E machines came with the hardware to output to a TV..
some came only with a DVD player and soft DVD player..

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:05 PM
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> I believe that I read some time ago that there was some type of add-in
board
> for the 600E to provide the TV out port. Had anyone purchased and
installed
> one? How much do they cost? How difficult is the installation? Thanks.
>
> Rusty
>
>
>
>
>
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From: "James H. E. Maugham" <CaptJHEM@waterw.com>
To: "Bill Morrow" <penzance@gate.net>, <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: RE: TV Out on 600E
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Bill,

Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] wrote:

> some 600E machines came with the hardware to output to a TV..
> some came only with a DVD player and soft DVD player..

The 2645-55U, 2645-5AU and 2645-5BU are the 600Es that came with the composite
video card. They were also the units that came from the factory with the DVD
drive, so apparently it wasn't an either/or proposition.

Regards,

James


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When docked to just a selectabase, shouldn't windows file system (mobile or
docking computer) indicate "Docked"??? I have my 770z successfully docked to
the base using an external mouse and power.

I've also experienced a few problems this evening trying to get a docking
system going (system ie: Selectabase and Selectadock III) on a 770z Win98se.

According to the user manuals of all three devices (notebook, base and dock)
one simply does a cold dock, boot and windows is supposed to re-do the
docking status of the machine.

Attempting to dock with the system (base and selectadock) causes the
registry to become corrupted (ie cannot load user.exe reinstall winders).
Docking with just the selectabase works fine though.

I went into thinkpad config/docking but the only thing disabled was "pci
steering" and I don't currently have any PCI cards in the selectadock if
that matters.

Any help would be appreciated,

thanks,
dave


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At 01:22 AM 12/14/2000 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote:
>Bill,
>
>Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] wrote:
>
>> some 600E machines came with the hardware to output to a TV..
>> some came only with a DVD player and soft DVD player..
>
>The 2645-55U, 2645-5AU and 2645-5BU are the 600Es that came with the
composite
>video card. They were also the units that came from the factory with
the DVD
>drive, so apparently it wasn't an either/or proposition.

I have a 2645-5JU that came with a video out connector and a DVD
drive. 



>
>Regards,
>
>James
>
>
>

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i suppose the few 600's i saw without the hardware video card had an option
DVD drive..

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Not Me" <notme@itr.com>
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> At 01:22 AM 12/14/2000 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote:
> >Bill,
> >
> >Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net] wrote:
> >
> >> some 600E machines came with the hardware to output to a TV..
> >> some came only with a DVD player and soft DVD player..
> >
> >The 2645-55U, 2645-5AU and 2645-5BU are the 600Es that came with the
> composite
> >video card. They were also the units that came from the factory with
> the DVD
> >drive, so apparently it wasn't an either/or proposition.
>
> I have a 2645-5JU that came with a video out connector and a DVD
> drive.
>
>
>
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >James
> >
> >
> >
>


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Hi All,

I found this mailing list and hopefully somebody will be able to help me.

I am trying to get the video out on my IBM T20 working -so far unsuccessful.
When I connect the video out with a S-VHS to Scart cable to my TV, I only
get a black/white picture. I have installed the latest video driver and that
doesn't cure the problem either.

Could anybody help me, please ?

Thanks,

Norbert


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Not Me [mailto:notme@itr.com] wrote:

> I have a 2645-5JU that came with a video out connector and a DVD
> drive.

Is that a US machine? I can't find a 5JU in any of the T or TW books, but it
comes up in the IBM website. Could be a UK machine like my 2645-850.

Regards,

James


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Norbert,

Kamp, Norbert [mailto:KampN@bp.com] wrote:

> I am trying to get the video out on my IBM T20 working -so far unsuccessful.
> When I connect the video out with a S-VHS to Scart cable to my TV, I only
> get a black/white picture. I have installed the latest video driver and that
> doesn't cure the problem either.

Are you in the US? I ask because I see you're on the BP server. If you're in
Europe, the output has to be changed from NTSC, the US standard, to PAL.

Regards,

James


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At 11:32 AM 12/14/2000 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote:
>Not Me [mailto:notme@itr.com] wrote:
>
>> I have a 2645-5JU that came with a video out connector and a DVD
>> drive.
>
>Is that a US machine? I can't find a 5JU in any of the T or TW
books, but it
>comes up in the IBM website. Could be a UK machine like my 2645-850.

It is a US machine as far as I know.

It was a special build for one of the large accounting firms, Price
Waterhouse Coopers I think.

There must have been a number of surplus machines. PC Connection had
them last January when I bought mine.

The configuration is:

Pentium II processor (366MHz, I think but fast enough to do the job
in any case.)

128MB memory

10GB hard drive

DVD drive

No internal modem (It's disabled and there's a plastic plug where the
RJ-11 plug would normally be.)

I bought it primarily for the large screen (larger than my 560X) and
10GB hard drive (not generally available on systems at that time.)

I've used the DVD to watch movies on the 600E but have never used the
video out. I have hooked up the sound out to a stereo system. 

I've also purchased a couple of the secondary batteries that go in
the UltraSlimBay. With the two batteries I get about 5 hours of
uninterrupted use.

One thing I've been amazed about on the ThinkPads is the screen
quality. It just keeps getting better. When I bought my 760E, my
first ThinkPad, I thought the screen quality was great. Then I got
the 560X and the screen quality was even better. The 600E has the
best screen yet. 

>
>Regards,
>
>James
>
>
>

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the "U" part is indicative of a machine made for the USA and probably
Canada..
at least thats what i have been told..  :-)

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----- Original Message -----
From: "James H. E. Maugham" <CaptJHEM@waterw.com>
To: "Not Me" <notme@itr.com>; "Bill Morrow" <penzance@gate.net>;
<thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 11:32 AM
Subject: RE: TV Out on 600E


> Not Me [mailto:notme@itr.com] wrote:
>
> > I have a 2645-5JU that came with a video out connector and a DVD
> > drive.
>
> Is that a US machine? I can't find a 5JU in any of the T or TW books, but
it
> comes up in the IBM website. Could be a UK machine like my 2645-850.
>
> Regards,
>
> James
>
>


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DOS is limited to partitions of 2^31 bytes, which is
2 147 483 648 bytes. That would be a 2.1GB partition
to any disk maker, but 2048MB of memory.

I've never seen any workaround, but would like to know
of any.

In addition, DOS cannot use LBA addressing natively,
so any DOS partition must be on the first 8.4GB of a
drive.

Chris Schumann

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" <jrace@attglobal.net>

> IIRC DOS is limited to 2.0 gb.  There is a workaround.  Someone
> else can help
> 
> Jeffrey Race



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wait until you see the A21p display..
its even better than the 770Z with the 13.7 1280x1024..

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Not Me" <notme@itr.com>
To: "James H. E. Maugham" <CaptJHEM@waterw.com>; "Not Me" <notme@itr.com>;
"Bill Morrow" <penzance@gate.net>; <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
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> At 11:32 AM 12/14/2000 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote:
> >Not Me [mailto:notme@itr.com] wrote:
> >
> >> I have a 2645-5JU that came with a video out connector and a DVD
> >> drive.
> >
> >Is that a US machine? I can't find a 5JU in any of the T or TW
> books, but it
> >comes up in the IBM website. Could be a UK machine like my 2645-850.
>
> It is a US machine as far as I know.
>
> It was a special build for one of the large accounting firms, Price
> Waterhouse Coopers I think.
>
> There must have been a number of surplus machines. PC Connection had
> them last January when I bought mine.
>
> The configuration is:
>
> Pentium II processor (366MHz, I think but fast enough to do the job
> in any case.)
>
> 128MB memory
>
> 10GB hard drive
>
> DVD drive
>
> No internal modem (It's disabled and there's a plastic plug where the
> RJ-11 plug would normally be.)
>
> I bought it primarily for the large screen (larger than my 560X) and
> 10GB hard drive (not generally available on systems at that time.)
>
> I've used the DVD to watch movies on the 600E but have never used the
> video out. I have hooked up the sound out to a stereo system.
>
> I've also purchased a couple of the secondary batteries that go in
> the UltraSlimBay. With the two batteries I get about 5 hours of
> uninterrupted use.
>
> One thing I've been amazed about on the ThinkPads is the screen
> quality. It just keeps getting better. When I bought my 760E, my
> first ThinkPad, I thought the screen quality was great. Then I got
> the 560X and the screen quality was even better. The 600E has the
> best screen yet.
>
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >James
> >
> >
> >
>


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i'm in on this late, but while its true fat16 is limited to 2gigs, fat32 is
not..
and recent versions of DOS should support fat32..
i hope i'm not sticking my foot in my mouth once again..  :-)

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----- Original Message -----
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To: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" <jrace@attglobal.net>; " Jamin Johnson"
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Subject: Re: Problem installing DOS onto a Thinkpad 385CD


> DOS is limited to partitions of 2^31 bytes, which is
> 2 147 483 648 bytes. That would be a 2.1GB partition
> to any disk maker, but 2048MB of memory.
>
> I've never seen any workaround, but would like to know
> of any.
>
> In addition, DOS cannot use LBA addressing natively,
> so any DOS partition must be on the first 8.4GB of a
> drive.
>
> Chris Schumann
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dr. Jeffrey Race" <jrace@attglobal.net>
>
> > IIRC DOS is limited to 2.0 gb.  There is a workaround.  Someone
> > else can help
> >
> > Jeffrey Race
>
>
>


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Since no one has responded, I take it this issue has unknown fixes (until
now). I finally figured it out. My first mistake was to follow the manuals
provided with my notebook, selectadock, and selectabase :)

issue resolved,
Thanks anyway.

dave



----------original post-----------------

When docked to just a selectabase, shouldn't windows file system (mobile or
docking computer) indicate "Docked"??? I have my 770z successfully docked to
the base using an external mouse and power.

I've also experienced a few problems this evening trying to get a docking
system going (system ie: Selectabase and Selectadock III) on a 770z Win98se.

According to the user manuals of all three devices (notebook, base and dock)
one simply does a cold dock, boot and windows is supposed to re-do the
docking status of the machine.

Attempting to dock with the system (base and selectadock) causes the
registry to become corrupted (ie cannot load user.exe reinstall winders).
Docking with just the selectabase works fine though.

I went into thinkpad config/docking but the only thing disabled was "pci
steering" and I don't currently have any PCI cards in the selectadock if
that matters.

Any help would be appreciated,

thanks,
dave



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My almost fully charged battery ceased operating instantly.  No warning, =
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What I don't know is: are the two middle pins different voltages or =
maybe a shorting connection?  How can I determine if my TP is not =
charging or if the battery has gone south?

I can wiggle the battery and it either makes the charging light flash, =
stay lit or go out.  No matter what the light indicates, the battery =
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Does anyone have an idea how to diagnose my problem?

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Firewire will not work with a 300 Mhz computer. Or not work properly. 
I think they require a 450 Mhz or faster.

The new USB standard may work with it, but I am not sure.  The only
one listed to work with a 300 Mhz is regular USB.

Ray

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I am interested in this too. I have connected the T20 to a TV using the
S-video out. DVDs would play, but the desktop area on the TV was larger
than the screen, ie. it would pan around. The only solution I found was to
size the DVD window to fit.

BTW you should not need any extra software. Look around in the video
driver to setup for TV. Sorry I cannot provide more details, not at my 20
right now.

On Wed, 13 Dec 2000, Denis Murphy wrote:

> ¨Hi
> 
> My question is related to the T20. Is it possible to hook the T20 up 
> to a TV and play DVDs to view on my TV ??? If so how ???
> Do i need special video out software ???
> 
> Please help !
> /Denis
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Canada machines often end in "C", so if you have such a machine 
and can't find out much about it, try substituting a "U" for 
the "C" and there is a good chance you'll discover more.


In article <000a01c065ec$93412060$0501a8c0@vonbraunw>,
"Bill Morrow" <penzance@gate.net> wrote:
>the "U" part is indicative of a machine made for the USA and probably
>Canada..
>at least thats what i have been told..  :-)
>
>Cordially,  :-)
>Bill Morrow

>>
>> > I have a 2645-5JU that came with a video out connector and a DVD
>> > drive.
>>
>> Is that a US machine? I can't find a 5JU in any of the T or TW books, but
>it
>> comes up in the IBM website. Could be a UK machine like my 2645-850.
>>

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I have bought two of these (wonderful) machines through 
Western Computer in Vancouver Canada

Jeffrey Race

On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:40:27 -0500, Bill Morrow wrote:

>the "U" part is indicative of a machine made for the USA and probably
>Canada..
>at least thats what i have been told


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On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 11:27:20 -0600, Chris Schumann wrote:
>DOS is limited to partitions of 2^31 bytes, which is
>2 147 483 648 bytes. That would be a 2.1GB partition
>to any disk maker, but 2048MB of memory.
>I've never seen any workaround, but would like to know>of any.

I installed PCDOS on a 10 gb drive in my new TP 600E by using
Partition Magic to create extendeded partitions.  I put DOS
in the first 1.9 gb primary partition.  Boots fine and can see
all the other partitions OK.  Might be possible to use FDISK
for this function too.  (I am running PCDOS 7/Win3.1 and OS/2
on this machine using dual boot.)

I have the entire process documented; should anyone want I can
send privately.

Jeffrey Race


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Greetings all,

I am a new list member, having just picked up a Thinkpad 560e at a local
(Dallas, TX USA) swap meet a couple of weeks ago.  It came with a floppy
drive that turns out to not be the right drive at all.  It's an external
drive, model FRU 46h5749.  Any place I can go to find out what this
fits?  I'd like to find it a home, or list it on Ebay or something.

I also picked up (for free) a Thinkpad 755 w/ no power cord or hard
drive.  Can anyone think of a cheap way to see if it works before
spending any money on an AC adapter?  I though maybe taking the battery
to one of these battery rejuvenators - then I'd get a
charged/reconditioned battery for ~$10 (?) 

Any comments/help appreciated,
Joe

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At 04:18 PM 12/14/2000 -0500, Edwin A Camin wrote: 
>>>>
My almost fully charged battery ceased operating instantly.  No
warning, etc.  The guage shows 0 left.  I removed the battery and
measure 0 volts between + & - .  With the battery removed, I measured
the voltage on the TP and it too was 0 volts indicating that the unit
wasn't charging.  
  
What I don't know is: are the two middle pins different voltages or
maybe a shorting connection?  How can I determine if my TP is not
charging or if the battery has gone south?
<<<<


It's possible that your AC adapter is defective. I have just had that
experience on my ThinkPad 600E and it was really bizarre.

What happened with my AC adapter is the wire broke from bending just
ahead of the strain relief on the plug that goes into the ThinkPad.

The LED would glow amber (charging) or green (battery power)
depending on how I moved the computer or the AC adapter. Of course
either of these was moving the wire around which was either making
contact or not.

It might be useful to check the output of your AC adapter.

IBM is sending me a replacement under warranty, but I am still
dissatisfied. The new AC adapter will take a minimum of 5 business
days to reach me. Of course ThinkPad 600E batteries have a battery
life considerably less than five business days. If I did not have the
AC adapter from my ThinkPad 560X that I can use on the 600E, I would
be up a well known without a paddle.


>>>>

  
I can wiggle the battery and it either makes the charging light
flash, stay lit or go out.  No matter what the light indicates, the
battery does not charge.  
  
Does anyone have an idea how to diagnose my problem?
  
Ed

<<<<



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I have the UltraBay HD adapter for my 600E.  I know that it takes 
2.5 drives, 12mm.  I know you can't use a 17mm drive in the 
adapter bay, but can you use a 9mm?

Thanks for any assistance.

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Chuck..

of course it can..
i have some spacers for increasing the thickness to 12.5mm but you don't
need it..

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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> I have the UltraBay HD adapter for my 600E.  I know that it takes
> 2.5 drives, 12mm.  I know you can't use a 17mm drive in the
> adapter bay, but can you use a 9mm?
>
> Thanks for any assistance.
>


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On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 23:31:37 -0800, you wrote:
>I have the UltraBay HD adapter for my 600E.  I know that it takes 
>2.5 drives, 12mm.  I know you can't use a 17mm drive in the 
>adapter bay, but can you use a 9mm?

	Apparently, since I've had no problems with the 9.5mm 12GB drive I
use in my 600E.
	Emanuel
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most people settle for the car." Chris Titus
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On Tue, 12 Dec 2000 15:23:22 -0700, Bob Greschke wrote:

>Is it a Winmodem or a real modem.  We just bought 5 A20m's for work
>and we're thinking Linux.
>
I think these are Lucent Winmodems, which are the better of the winmodems, but
still winmodems.  During my time at Earthlink, I heard of rumors of Lucent
trying to develop drivers for Linux to use winmodems (believe it or not), but I don't
know if anything has surfaced yet that does so.

Paul



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On Wed, 13 Dec 2000 20:48:23 -0500, Sashka wrote:

>Hello,
>
>Yep, 600e is nice thing. I couldn't find notebook that I like: I had
>Dell Inspiron 3200, Latitude CS, but Thinkpad 600E is the best one!
>
>Btw, why did you buy modem, when you have built in in your notebook?

Is it a winmodem?  I hate winmodems with a passion.  My HP Jornada has one,
and even though it's 56K, I have to put in a string and force it to connect at V34
to even connect.

 I
>bet it will work same way. Personally, I used modem last time year ago
>before  I've  got  DSL  (will  have  to  use  modem again soon :-( DSL
>provider  loooks  like  going  out  of business). And I tried modem in
>thinkpad and worked good. I could browse ebay, and read e-mails..
>

Well, it's also a 10/100 NIC card, and I wanted XJack, and it was a decent
price on eBay.  I'm tired of dongles breaking on me, so all my future
cards will be XJACK (realport is nice, but instead of floppies, I'm using my 40MB
FLASH card, or compact flash from my camera).  I'm impressed with 3COM's XJack,
and all my desktops have 3COM nics in them as well.


Paul



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can someone please tell me what the difference is between this

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1201908945

and this

http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00062895/03279201.htm?fid=eshop


thanks
-- 
Donald                           

Donald M. MacQueen
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Hello,

I don't see a problem why you can't use it. You can't use 17mm hdd,
since it doesn't fit this bay, but 12 and 9.5 and 8.5 you will able to
use without a problem

Friday, December 15, 2000, 2:31:37 AM, you wrote:
CB> I have the UltraBay HD adapter for my 600E.  I know that it takes 
CB> 2.5 drives, 12mm.  I know you can't use a 17mm drive in the 
CB> adapter bay, but can you use a 9mm?

CB> Thanks for any assistance.



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Hello,

Like for me, looks like same.

Friday, December 15, 2000, 6:50:15 AM, you wrote:
DM> can someone please tell me what the difference is between this

DM> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1201908945

DM> and this

DM> http://www.egghead.com/category/inv/00062895/03279201.htm?fid=eshop


DM> thanks



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Thanks for the suggestion, but the AC adapter works fine.  When it is
intermittent, without a battery, the operating system would vaporize and
require re-booting the system. What I need is to find out is it normal, when
measuring the battery pins on my TP600, for the two end pins to read 0
volts?  I thought that maybe the middle two pins are a switch enabling the
charging unit?  I'd just as soon not short them out expermenting and them
blow some traces on the PC board.

If the two outer pins on the TP600 read a voltage higher than the battery
voltage I would know for sure that the TP was working and my battery was
dead.  As it is, I get no voltage from the TP.  From my past experience as a
Product Safety Engr, I know that it's not wise to mess with Lithium batterys
by charging them from another source. I have often pumped huge currents into
NiCd batterys safely and reversed them but I know it would be unwise to do
it to Lithiums.  My TP battery reads 0 volts and 0 ohms on the highest
scale. That indicates open! Are the middle pins a switch?  If one cell went
bad I think I would at least read megaohms leakage.

Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Not Me" <notme@itr.com>
To: "Edwin A Camin" <camin@ed-camin.com>; "ThinkPad List"
<thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 1:05 AM
Subject: Re: TP600 battery


> At 04:18 PM 12/14/2000 -0500, Edwin A Camin wrote:
> >>>>
> My almost fully charged battery ceased operating instantly.  No
> warning, etc.  The guage shows 0 left.  I removed the battery and
> measure 0 volts between + & - .  With the battery removed, I measured
> the voltage on the TP and it too was 0 volts indicating that the unit
> wasn't charging.
>
> What I don't know is: are the two middle pins different voltages or
> maybe a shorting connection?  How can I determine if my TP is not
> charging or if the battery has gone south?
> <<<<
>
>
> It's possible that your AC adapter is defective. I have just had that
> experience on my ThinkPad 600E and it was really bizarre.
>
> What happened with my AC adapter is the wire broke from bending just
> ahead of the strain relief on the plug that goes into the ThinkPad.
>
> The LED would glow amber (charging) or green (battery power)
> depending on how I moved the computer or the AC adapter. Of course
> either of these was moving the wire around which was either making
> contact or not.
>
> It might be useful to check the output of your AC adapter.
>
> IBM is sending me a replacement under warranty, but I am still
> dissatisfied. The new AC adapter will take a minimum of 5 business
> days to reach me. Of course ThinkPad 600E batteries have a battery
> life considerably less than five business days. If I did not have the
> AC adapter from my ThinkPad 560X that I can use on the 600E, I would
> be up a well known without a paddle.
>
>
> >>>>
>
>
> I can wiggle the battery and it either makes the charging light
> flash, stay lit or go out.  No matter what the light indicates, the
> battery does not charge.
>
> Does anyone have an idea how to diagnose my problem?
>
> Ed
>
> <<<<
>
>


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The battery is listed as an intelligent Litium-Ion so there is circuitry inside
the battery case.  You may be measuring that.  Try looking in the Hardware
Maintenance Manual.

ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/09n1033.pdf

Bill

Edwin A Camin wrote:

> Thanks for the suggestion, but the AC adapter works fine.  When it is
> intermittent, without a battery, the operating system would vaporize and
> require re-booting the system. What I need is to find out is it normal, when
> measuring the battery pins on my TP600, for the two end pins to read 0
> volts?  I thought that maybe the middle two pins are a switch enabling the
> charging unit?  I'd just as soon not short them out expermenting and them
> blow some traces on the PC board.
>
> If the two outer pins on the TP600 read a voltage higher than the battery
> voltage I would know for sure that the TP was working and my battery was
> dead.  As it is, I get no voltage from the TP.  From my past experience as a
> Product Safety Engr, I know that it's not wise to mess with Lithium batterys
> by charging them from another source. I have often pumped huge currents into
> NiCd batterys safely and reversed them but I know it would be unwise to do
> it to Lithiums.  My TP battery reads 0 volts and 0 ohms on the highest
> scale. That indicates open! Are the middle pins a switch?  If one cell went
> bad I think I would at least read megaohms leakage.
>
> Ed
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Not Me" <notme@itr.com>
> To: "Edwin A Camin" <camin@ed-camin.com>; "ThinkPad List"
> <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 1:05 AM
> Subject: Re: TP600 battery
>
> > At 04:18 PM 12/14/2000 -0500, Edwin A Camin wrote:
> > >>>>
> > My almost fully charged battery ceased operating instantly.  No
> > warning, etc.  The guage shows 0 left.  I removed the battery and
> > measure 0 volts between + & - .  With the battery removed, I measured
> > the voltage on the TP and it too was 0 volts indicating that the unit
> > wasn't charging.
> >
> > What I don't know is: are the two middle pins different voltages or
> > maybe a shorting connection?  How can I determine if my TP is not
> > charging or if the battery has gone south?
> > <<<<
> >
> >
> > It's possible that your AC adapter is defective. I have just had that
> > experience on my ThinkPad 600E and it was really bizarre.
> >
> > What happened with my AC adapter is the wire broke from bending just
> > ahead of the strain relief on the plug that goes into the ThinkPad.
> >
> > The LED would glow amber (charging) or green (battery power)
> > depending on how I moved the computer or the AC adapter. Of course
> > either of these was moving the wire around which was either making
> > contact or not.
> >
> > It might be useful to check the output of your AC adapter.
> >
> > IBM is sending me a replacement under warranty, but I am still
> > dissatisfied. The new AC adapter will take a minimum of 5 business
> > days to reach me. Of course ThinkPad 600E batteries have a battery
> > life considerably less than five business days. If I did not have the
> > AC adapter from my ThinkPad 560X that I can use on the 600E, I would
> > be up a well known without a paddle.
> >
> >
> > >>>>
> >
> >
> > I can wiggle the battery and it either makes the charging light
> > flash, stay lit or go out.  No matter what the light indicates, the
> > battery does not charge.
> >
> > Does anyone have an idea how to diagnose my problem?
> >
> > Ed
> >
> > <<<<
> >
> >

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The battery is listed as an intelligent Litium-Ion so there is circuitry
inside the battery case.&nbsp; You may be measuring that.&nbsp; Try looking
in the Hardware Maintenance Manual.<a href="ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/09n1033.pdf"></a>
<p><a href="ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/09n1033.pdf">ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles/09n1033.pdf</a>
<p>Bill
<p>Edwin A Camin wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>Thanks for the suggestion, but the AC adapter works
fine.&nbsp; When it is
<br>intermittent, without a battery, the operating system would vaporize
and
<br>require re-booting the system. What I need is to find out is it normal,
when
<br>measuring the battery pins on my TP600, for the two end pins to read
0
<br>volts?&nbsp; I thought that maybe the middle two pins are a switch
enabling the
<br>charging unit?&nbsp; I'd just as soon not short them out expermenting
and them
<br>blow some traces on the PC board.
<p>If the two outer pins on the TP600 read a voltage higher than the battery
<br>voltage I would know for sure that the TP was working and my battery
was
<br>dead.&nbsp; As it is, I get no voltage from the TP.&nbsp; From my past
experience as a
<br>Product Safety Engr, I know that it's not wise to mess with Lithium
batterys
<br>by charging them from another source. I have often pumped huge currents
into
<br>NiCd batterys safely and reversed them but I know it would be unwise
to do
<br>it to Lithiums.&nbsp; My TP battery reads 0 volts and 0 ohms on the
highest
<br>scale. That indicates open! Are the middle pins a switch?&nbsp; If
one cell went
<br>bad I think I would at least read megaohms leakage.
<p>Ed
<br>----- Original Message -----
<br>From: "Not Me" &lt;notme@itr.com>
<br>To: "Edwin A Camin" &lt;camin@ed-camin.com>; "ThinkPad List"
<br>&lt;thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
<br>Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 1:05 AM
<br>Subject: Re: TP600 battery
<p>> At 04:18 PM 12/14/2000 -0500, Edwin A Camin wrote:
<br>> >>>>
<br>> My almost fully charged battery ceased operating instantly.&nbsp;
No
<br>> warning, etc.&nbsp; The guage shows 0 left.&nbsp; I removed the battery
and
<br>> measure 0 volts between + &amp; - .&nbsp; With the battery removed,
I measured
<br>> the voltage on the TP and it too was 0 volts indicating that the
unit
<br>> wasn't charging.
<br>>
<br>> What I don't know is: are the two middle pins different voltages
or
<br>> maybe a shorting connection?&nbsp; How can I determine if my TP is
not
<br>> charging or if the battery has gone south?
<br>> &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> It's possible that your AC adapter is defective. I have just had
that
<br>> experience on my ThinkPad 600E and it was really bizarre.
<br>>
<br>> What happened with my AC adapter is the wire broke from bending just
<br>> ahead of the strain relief on the plug that goes into the ThinkPad.
<br>>
<br>> The LED would glow amber (charging) or green (battery power)
<br>> depending on how I moved the computer or the AC adapter. Of course
<br>> either of these was moving the wire around which was either making
<br>> contact or not.
<br>>
<br>> It might be useful to check the output of your AC adapter.
<br>>
<br>> IBM is sending me a replacement under warranty, but I am still
<br>> dissatisfied. The new AC adapter will take a minimum of 5 business
<br>> days to reach me. Of course ThinkPad 600E batteries have a battery
<br>> life considerably less than five business days. If I did not have
the
<br>> AC adapter from my ThinkPad 560X that I can use on the 600E, I would
<br>> be up a well known without a paddle.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> >>>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> I can wiggle the battery and it either makes the charging light
<br>> flash, stay lit or go out.&nbsp; No matter what the light indicates,
the
<br>> battery does not charge.
<br>>
<br>> Does anyone have an idea how to diagnose my problem?
<br>>
<br>> Ed
<br>>
<br>> &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;
<br>>
<br>></blockquote>
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It ain't going so well.  I don't even LIKE Linux (that much), and my
Linux Knowledge Index is about 4 (long time user of UNIX -- but that's
about it).  However, after 16 hours of downloading the CDROM images
(at work, on a REAL network) I felt compelled to give it a try.  The
only reason that I messing with it is to work on work software which
is all UNIX/Linux.  I've got WinME in 8GB, and Linux partitions
(created with Partition Magic 6.0, because if I just shrank the
Windows partition the Linux installer couldn't find the free space --
strange) in the remaining 3.5GB.

Anyway, I installed everything (it doesn't look like Linux will ever
quite figure out the video chipset in the 600X), but at the "LILO
boot:" prompt all I get is "L", and then it tries to read from the
floppy drive for a few seconds, then it quits.  If I stick in the boot
disk and Ctrl-Alt-Del the whole boot prompt comes up -- but I'm not
interested in booting from floppy.  If I type "dos" at the boot prompt
it says "No image found" (which is really going to ruin my Christmas
if I've lost everything in Windows -- disk druid still sees it as a
Win95/DOS partition, though).  Entering "linux" gets it booted up, but
not without the floppy.  Once I get it going it seemed to be OK, until
I tried installing Xi Graphics' Laptop Accelerated-X server, then I
lost the use of my trackpoint (poking the reset button gets you out of
Gnome without a mouse :-).

It did keep warning about the 1024 cylinder limit being exceeded...is
that it?  I had 6.1/6.2 installed at one time (but later went back to
all Windows) and they didn't seem to mind.  I just put BIOS 50WW on a
couple of days ago.

Any hints?  Thanks!

Bob



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I am trying to free up some disk space.  Can I delete the PM_HIBER.BIN file
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thats your hibernate file, obviously..
and if you HAVE turned hibernate off, yes..
it MIGHT try to recreate the file if you don't turn it off correctly..

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Subject: Re: Linux 7.0 on a 600X?
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Hi!

I noticed that there are a couple of additional lines in the lilo.conf
file for 7.0 that were not in the lilo.conf file for 6.1.

It will boot from the Linux boot disk.

I was able to fix my Master Boot Record using "fdisk /mbr" with an
emergency boot disk, so I can at least boot into WinME now.

Thanks!

Bob

----- Original Message -----
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To: "Bob Greschke" <bob@passcal.passcal.nmt.edu>
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 13:51
Subject: Re: Linux 7.0 on a 600X?


>     hi... i'm alsos just started to mess w/ linux. i got a 600e dual
booting
> win2k and redhat 7.
>
>     i recall seeing some posts on newsgroup about the "L" and the
stop
> booting issue. if i'm right, u just need to comment out a line in ur
lilo
> config file. i don't have my laptop w/ me now.... will let u know
when i
> have a chance.
>
>     can u boot from the floppy?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bob Greschke" <bob@passcal.passcal.nmt.edu>
> To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 12:05 PM
> Subject: Linux 7.0 on a 600X?
>
>
> > It ain't going so well.  I don't even LIKE Linux (that much), and
my
> > Linux Knowledge Index is about 4 (long time user of UNIX -- but
that's
> > about it).  However, after 16 hours of downloading the CDROM
images
> > (at work, on a REAL network) I felt compelled to give it a try.
The
> > only reason that I messing with it is to work on work software
which
> > is all UNIX/Linux.  I've got WinME in 8GB, and Linux partitions
> > (created with Partition Magic 6.0, because if I just shrank the
> > Windows partition the Linux installer couldn't find the free
space --
> > strange) in the remaining 3.5GB.
> >
> > Anyway, I installed everything (it doesn't look like Linux will
ever
> > quite figure out the video chipset in the 600X), but at the "LILO
> > boot:" prompt all I get is "L", and then it tries to read from the
> > floppy drive for a few seconds, then it quits.  If I stick in the
boot
> > disk and Ctrl-Alt-Del the whole boot prompt comes up -- but I'm
not
> > interested in booting from floppy.  If I type "dos" at the boot
prompt
> > it says "No image found" (which is really going to ruin my
Christmas
> > if I've lost everything in Windows -- disk druid still sees it as
a
> > Win95/DOS partition, though).  Entering "linux" gets it booted up,
but
> > not without the floppy.  Once I get it going it seemed to be OK,
until
> > I tried installing Xi Graphics' Laptop Accelerated-X server, then
I
> > lost the use of my trackpoint (poking the reset button gets you
out of
> > Gnome without a mouse :-).
> >
> > It did keep warning about the 1024 cylinder limit being
exceeded...is
> > that it?  I had 6.1/6.2 installed at one time (but later went back
to
> > all Windows) and they didn't seem to mind.  I just put BIOS 50WW
on a
> > couple of days ago.
> >
> > Any hints?  Thanks!
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
> >
>


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Thanks to Dejanews I figured out what was going on.  There's a small
concensus that there is "something" wrong with lilo in 7.0.  I don't
know if that is true or not, but the lilo.conf that my install created
had the line "linear" in it.  The only place during installation where
"linear" was mentioned was in having to do with SCSI disk (which, of
course, I don't have any of).  Someone replaced that line with
"lba32".  Poof!  It works!  And I even get a nice graphical,
advertisement-infested (RedHat) "chooser" to select which OS I want to
boot into.  You get about a half a second to decide. :-)

What is lba32?

Bob



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Hello,

IMHO, RadHat 7.0 was and is worse release of redhat linux ever! there
was many problems with it (starting from gcc, which already was fixed)
but anyway. Since that release, RedHat reminds me Microsoft, which
doesn't care about users, they only want to release version faster. In
my opinion, best distributive ever (from Redhat based) is LInux
Mandrake, which is nice and has many additions to RedHat..
Personally, I'm using Slackware Linux 7.1 and it rocks. It's fast,
it's small and it's easy to configure ;-) May be, I like it because
Slackware is first Linux I ever had on my computer. :)


Friday, December 15, 2000, 5:50:48 PM, you wrote:
BG> Thanks to Dejanews I figured out what was going on.  There's a small
BG> concensus that there is "something" wrong with lilo in 7.0.  I don't
BG> know if that is true or not, but the lilo.conf that my install created
BG> had the line "linear" in it.  The only place during installation where
BG> "linear" was mentioned was in having to do with SCSI disk (which, of
BG> course, I don't have any of).  Someone replaced that line with
BG> "lba32".  Poof!  It works!  And I even get a nice graphical,
BG> advertisement-infested (RedHat) "chooser" to select which OS I want to
BG> boot into.  You get about a half a second to decide. :-)

BG> What is lba32?

BG> Bob





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I'm not a Linux user, but I'd guess that lba32 stands for Logical Block
Addressing (32-bit), or something similar. Probably either a refernce or a
driver for an IDE system. (Just guessing here.)

Greg

-----Original Message-----
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Thanks to Dejanews I figured out what was going on.  There's a small
concensus that there is "something" wrong with lilo in 7.0.  I don't
know if that is true or not, but the lilo.conf that my install created
had the line "linear" in it.  The only place during installation where
"linear" was mentioned was in having to do with SCSI disk (which, of
course, I don't have any of).  Someone replaced that line with
"lba32".  Poof!  It works!  And I even get a nice graphical,
advertisement-infested (RedHat) "chooser" to select which OS I want to
boot into.  You get about a half a second to decide. :-)

What is lba32?

Bob

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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>I'm not a Linux user, but I'd guess that lba32 stands =
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
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HREF=3D"mailto:bob@passcal.passcal.nmt.edu">mailto:bob@passcal.passcal.n=
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 4:51 PM</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Thanks to Dejanews I figured out what was going =
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<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>concensus that there is &quot;something&quot; wrong =
with lilo in 7.0.&nbsp; I don't</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>know if that is true or not, but the lilo.conf that =
my install created</FONT>
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only place during installation where</FONT>
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with SCSI disk (which, of</FONT>
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to select which OS I want to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>boot into.&nbsp; You get about a half a second to =
decide. :-)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>What is lba32?</FONT>
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From: "Heinz Kreft" <heinz.kreft@kt-engineering.de>
To: "Bob Greschke" <bob@passcal.passcal.nmt.edu>, <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: AW: Linux 7.0 on a 600X? - IBM TP PBUG -
Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 22:55:22 +0100
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Hello Bob,

From time to time there are threads about this theme, TP600X and "partitions
problems". Due to my knowledge they all have the same reason! I run into
this problem about 6 month ago with my new NT2000 partition on a 18 GB
Travelstar hard disk. The end of that story was that I lose this partition
completely. Of course, I had backups, but the real problem was that the "IBM
TP PBUG" (my name for that phenomen) generates follow-up-bugs on the
data/registry LATER (on every start/down) on that partition!

Facts (example for a TP600X [all BIOS releases] with a DARA 21800, Feb 2000
IBM Spez. 17.01.2000)
============================================================================
=====================
This notebook harddisk had 35.433.216 User LBA´s (IBM Spec), resulting in
18,1418GB capacity. That is the true capacity. The phys. CHS mapping of the
notebook bios results in 2343 Cyl., 240 Hds and 63 Sect. This resulted into
a reachable capacity of 35.426.097 LBAs. We lost 7119 LBAs! [primary
partition, boot Sector and partition loader, Space up the a whole cyl.]
This is only true, if the harddisk was partitioned on the IBM TP notebook.

A "normal PC" has usual a different CHS mapping for that drive. My IBM
NetVista (also an IBM!) reports a CHS mapping of 2205 Cyl., 255 Heads, 63
Sects. From this calculation, you get a reachable capacity of 35.423.262
LBAs (first 63 sects needed for primary partition, boot sector and
part.,-loader). In this case, we get for our W2k partition 9954 LBA´s LESS
that avail. user LBA´s.

In both above cases, I assume that the boot sector is correct filled with
the heads numbers from the CHS mapping and the total NTFS/FAT sectors
(=LBA´s). The size in the primary partition table is always only 10 bits for
the cyl., numbers, so that is never a problem. But the Num Sects in the
partition table should be correct (= LBA´s).

Results
=======
The problem begin a that point, when the bios of a system get the CHS
mapping not out from the partition table of an already  partitioned drive,
but from an extedned bios interrupt and when there is a mismatch of the CHS
mapping. Then the boot drive cannot be booted, because of never finding the
needed OS files - means cannot find the OS partition - of the booted drive.
The other more dangerous problem is, that the partition table size is not
correct - with such a drive you will have your last ride with CHKDSK and
DISKEEPER or similar tools unter w2k!!!

Problem
=======
If you don´t partitioned your drive on the later used TP system, the
possibility of getting a CHS mapping different to X:255:Y is very high! The
other way is to use tools like partition magic etc. The IBM bios seems to
replace the CHS mapping found on the HD with that what it gets from an
extended BIOS interrupt (CHS = X:240:Y). If the number of heads is identical
this the results from that, what the ibm BIOS thinks - ok, no problem else
!!!

Solution
========
It seems the exist a workaround for the TP600X:

1) Partition and use the HD on the same system (here on the IBM Thinkpad).
Usage of tools like Partition Magic is forbidden!
2) Delete any partition on the Hard drive you want to use, insert this HD
into your TP, Power on, BIOS-Setup, select & enter "INITIALIZE", go out of
BIOS setup, Power Down, Restart. This seems to be a "learning curve" for the
BIOS for that specific HD. Then put the wanted partition on that drive BY
USING THE TP YOU USED ALREADY BY BIOS-SETUP.

Hope this will help,

Heinz







-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Bob Greschke [mailto:bob@passcal.passcal.nmt.edu]
Gesendet: Freitag, 15. Dezember 2000 21:05
An: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Betreff: Linux 7.0 on a 600X?


It ain't going so well.  I don't even LIKE Linux (that much), and my
Linux Knowledge Index is about 4 (long time user of UNIX -- but that's
about it).  However, after 16 hours of downloading the CDROM images
(at work, on a REAL network) I felt compelled to give it a try.  The
only reason that I messing with it is to work on work software which
is all UNIX/Linux.  I've got WinME in 8GB, and Linux partitions
(created with Partition Magic 6.0, because if I just shrank the
Windows partition the Linux installer couldn't find the free space --
strange) in the remaining 3.5GB.

Anyway, I installed everything (it doesn't look like Linux will ever
quite figure out the video chipset in the 600X), but at the "LILO
boot:" prompt all I get is "L", and then it tries to read from the
floppy drive for a few seconds, then it quits.  If I stick in the boot
disk and Ctrl-Alt-Del the whole boot prompt comes up -- but I'm not
interested in booting from floppy.  If I type "dos" at the boot prompt
it says "No image found" (which is really going to ruin my Christmas
if I've lost everything in Windows -- disk druid still sees it as a
Win95/DOS partition, though).  Entering "linux" gets it booted up, but
not without the floppy.  Once I get it going it seemed to be OK, until
I tried installing Xi Graphics' Laptop Accelerated-X server, then I
lost the use of my trackpoint (poking the reset button gets you out of
Gnome without a mouse :-).

It did keep warning about the 1024 cylinder limit being exceeded...is
that it?  I had 6.1/6.2 installed at one time (but later went back to
all Windows) and they didn't seem to mind.  I just put BIOS 50WW on a
couple of days ago.

Any hints?  Thanks!

Bob



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hi!! i have a thinkpad 770 for the last three years in india. today 
it gave me an error 173 - 163 and wouldn't boot. i realized that there
is a supervisor password and a hard disk password set. i dont know
these passwords. i called up the local ibm service but they say that
it will cost almost $1500 to get the motherboard changed to make
the machine useable? they say that the CMOS battery died and now to
set the time-date we need supervisor password.

i checked google and landed at this mailing list. going over the
archives, it seems that the only solution is with Nortek Computers
of Canada. i found some postings with a URL 
http://servicepac.de.ibm.com/eprmhtml/epr2a/h4033.htm that should
have given some hints but this link doesnt work anymore. can you
please advice? i may not have the time and money to send the hard
disk to canada to get my data. 

thanks a lot!! gaurav

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How did the passwords get set?  If you've had them on there for 3 years, you
would have had to enter them every time you boot, so that must not be the case
(or else you just set a record for the longest continually running PC).  If
you or someone else just set them today, then you should be able to track down
what they are.  As for 'resetting' them, the info you found is correct.  There
is no way to reset or remove a HD password without the old one.  Consider it a
nice looking paperweight.


Gaurav Aggarwal <gaurav_a@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> hi!! i have a thinkpad 770 for the last three years in india. today 
> it gave me an error 173 - 163 and wouldn't boot. i realized that there
> is a supervisor password and a hard disk password set. i dont know
> these passwords. i called up the local ibm service but they say that
> it will cost almost $1500 to get the motherboard changed to make
> the machine useable? they say that the CMOS battery died and now to
> set the time-date we need supervisor password.
> 
> i checked google and landed at this mailing list. going over the
> archives, it seems that the only solution is with Nortek Computers
> of Canada. i found some postings with a URL 
> http://servicepac.de.ibm.com/eprmhtml/epr2a/h4033.htm that should
> have given some hints but this link doesnt work anymore. can you
> please advice? i may not have the time and money to send the hard
> disk to canada to get my data. 
> 
> thanks a lot!! gaurav
> 
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Nortek can remove the password. I don't know of another organization
that can or will.

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From: Marvin Nakayama <marvin@homer.njit.edu>
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Hi everyone,

I'm planning to buy a new laptop, probably either an A21p or T21p.
I want to do some digital video (DV) editing on the laptop,
and so I need a fast machine.  Does anyone have any thoughts 
on which machine would be better?

I noticed that the A21p has 16MB of SGRAM, and the T21p has
only 8MB.  Will this affect editing DV?

Also, editing DV requires a minimum sustained throughput of 3.6MB/sec, 
and I was hoping that the 5400rpm 32GB drives would be able to 
handle this.  I saw some specs at
http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/me.nsf/d1cd5924e7a2cfda8525668d006a1781/dd3f855196c47495852569490016eac6/$FILE/ops6327f.pdf
that claimed that these drives have a sustained throughput 
of 10.9 to 20.3 MB/sec, but I'm skeptical.
Has anyone tried DV editing with these drives?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me with these issues.

Marvin


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I've got an A21p that I have used for a little bit of DV editing. Using an
Orange firewire PC card, Edit DV and a SONY PC100 DV camera. Seems to work
well, but I'm hardly a pro at this. If you are really serious about hard
drive speed, etc., you may want to also try a good external firewire drive.
The Orange card I am using has two firewire ports so it might work well to
run a firewire drive off the second port.

As far as the video on the A21p I don't think you can do better with a
laptop. The resoltution on the screen is incredible. I find it very hard to
work on a lower resolution screen after using the A21p.

Bill Armstrong

-----Original Message-----
From: Marvin Nakayama [mailto:marvin@homer.njit.edu]
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 5:28 PM
To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Subject: A21p or T21p


Hi everyone,

I'm planning to buy a new laptop, probably either an A21p or T21p.
I want to do some digital video (DV) editing on the laptop,
and so I need a fast machine.  Does anyone have any thoughts
on which machine would be better?

I noticed that the A21p has 16MB of SGRAM, and the T21p has
only 8MB.  Will this affect editing DV?

Also, editing DV requires a minimum sustained throughput of 3.6MB/sec,
and I was hoping that the 5400rpm 32GB drives would be able to
handle this.  I saw some specs at
http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/me.nsf/d1cd5924e7a2cfda8525668d006a1781/dd3f855196
c47495852569490016eac6/$FILE/ops6327f.pdf
that claimed that these drives have a sustained throughput
of 10.9 to 20.3 MB/sec, but I'm skeptical.
Has anyone tried DV editing with these drives?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me with these issues.

Marvin


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From: Vicky Stables <VickyS@softhome.net>
Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 22:49:59 -0800
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Well my seldom unplugged 770 got unplugged last week and we did not notice
it until the battery was completely drained. Now it will not accept a
charge at all. Any suggestions of reviving it or replacing it at a
reasonable cost? It is a lithium battery.

Vicky
-- 
Anacortes, Washington, USA

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I recently went in search of 770 batteries, and was able to buy two, on
eBay, at about $140 each, new in sealed boxes ( different sellers)

This is not bad, since IBM wants about $279, and the after-market folks
aren't much cheaper...

Good luck,
Richard


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From: "Vicky Stables" <VickyS@softhome.net>
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Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 1:49 AM
Subject: 770 battery


> Well my seldom unplugged 770 got unplugged last week and we did not notice
> it until the battery was completely drained. Now it will not accept a
> charge at all. Any suggestions of reviving it or replacing it at a
> reasonable cost? It is a lithium battery.
>
> Vicky
> --
> Anacortes, Washington, USA


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On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 at 01:53 PM you, Sandy Meltzer <sandy@sandy.com>,
said:

>For Sale: SelectaDock III - Brand-new, in box, still in factory plastic.
>$65 plus shipping!!  Factory fresh!!
>Still available through CDW, Micro Warehouse, and others for $700+...

... or available (also brand-new in box) on eBay in large quantities
(Dutch auctions for 25 and 20 units) for $54.99 and $59.98:

http://cgi.ebay.aol.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1202054164
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Bill,

Thanks for your input.  I'm not planning to do very much DV 
editing, and so based on your experience, it sounds like
I should be fine with the A21p.  (BTW, I also have the
Sony PC100 DV camera.  Nice unit.  I just wish it had a 
built-in flash/video light.)

Does anyone know if the T21p can handle some light DV editing?
I was leaning toward buying the T21p since it's lighter,
but if it can't handle editing DV, then I'll have to
go with the A21p.

Right now, I have a Thinkpad 770 (95491AU), which has a 
Pentium 233 MMX and a 25GB HD.  I've tried to do some editing
on this, which didn't work at all.  Transferring the 
video to the laptop resulted in so many dropped frames that it 
was unusable.  I'm not sure if the problem is that my processor
or HD is too slow, maybe both.  The software I was using 
(Ulead VideoStudio) says that a Pentium 166 or 233 is the bare 
minimum, but I've read in rec.video that often the HD is the
bottleneck.

Marvin


On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, William Armstrong wrote:

> I've got an A21p that I have used for a little bit of DV editing. Using an
> Orange firewire PC card, Edit DV and a SONY PC100 DV camera. Seems to work
> well, but I'm hardly a pro at this. If you are really serious about hard
> drive speed, etc., you may want to also try a good external firewire drive.
> The Orange card I am using has two firewire ports so it might work well to
> run a firewire drive off the second port.
> 
> As far as the video on the A21p I don't think you can do better with a
> laptop. The resoltution on the screen is incredible. I find it very hard to
> work on a lower resolution screen after using the A21p.
> 
> Bill Armstrong
> 


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Marivn,

The 32 GB HD in the A21p is (as far as I know) the fastest
laptop HD made (turns fastest, 2 MB cache, etc).  The new
20 and 30 GB IBM drives turn slower so wouldn't be quite as
fast for media data rate.  See:

http://www.storage.ibm.com/hardsoft/diskdrdl/travel/tr32gh.htm

The burst rate to the notebook from all three would probably
be about the same.  Note that no notebook drive can compete
with the newer 7200 RPM IDE desktop drives or the 10,000
(or higher) RPM SCSI drives for servers.

Some on line reviews I've seen say the T20/21 video chipset
doesn't have the performance of the one in the A20/21p and
some benchmarks were slower due to the video.  I have
no idea if that would be true for DV editing.  I run
unix (Sun Solaris) and a vendor who writes X servers
for unix (BSD, Linux, and Solaris) commented that the
video on the A20p was very fast for a notebook (they
are waiting to get an A21p to update their server it).

I wonder of having more than sufficient RAM would help
with DV editing.  Note that I have no experience with
DV editing but I have found that displaying very large
satellite images on my 770E works better with lots
of RAM (under NT4 or Sun Solaris) - I have 224 MB.

I'm now waiting for IBM to deliver an A21p.  I have
a 256 MB DIMM to add the the base 128 MB...

Stuart

At 09:26 AM 12/17/00 -0500, you wrote:
>Bill,
>
>Thanks for your input.  I'm not planning to do very much DV
>editing, and so based on your experience, it sounds like
>I should be fine with the A21p.  (BTW, I also have the
>Sony PC100 DV camera.  Nice unit.  I just wish it had a
>built-in flash/video light.)
>
>Does anyone know if the T21p can handle some light DV editing?
>I was leaning toward buying the T21p since it's lighter,
>but if it can't handle editing DV, then I'll have to
>go with the A21p.
>
>Right now, I have a Thinkpad 770 (95491AU), which has a
>Pentium 233 MMX and a 25GB HD.  I've tried to do some editing
>on this, which didn't work at all.  Transferring the
>video to the laptop resulted in so many dropped frames that it
>was unusable.  I'm not sure if the problem is that my processor
>or HD is too slow, maybe both.  The software I was using
>(Ulead VideoStudio) says that a Pentium 166 or 233 is the bare
>minimum, but I've read in rec.video that often the HD is the
>bottleneck.
>
>Marvin
>
>
>On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, William Armstrong wrote:
>
> > I've got an A21p that I have used for a little bit of DV editing. Using an
> > Orange firewire PC card, Edit DV and a SONY PC100 DV camera. Seems to work
> > well, but I'm hardly a pro at this. If you are really serious about hard
> > drive speed, etc., you may want to also try a good external firewire drive.
> > The Orange card I am using has two firewire ports so it might work well to
> > run a firewire drive off the second port.
> >
> > As far as the video on the A21p I don't think you can do better with a
> > laptop. The resoltution on the screen is incredible. I find it very hard to
> > work on a lower resolution screen after using the A21p.
> >
> > Bill Armstrong
> >


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The built-in modem in my 570 sometimes appears to hang.  Specifically, when 
I try to run a program which uses it, the modem won't work.  Often I'll 
get  an error message to the effect that "port in use."  No other program 
will be using the modem, and I can't find any way to restore the modem 
other than rebooting.  I'm running Win2000, btw.

Any idea how to fix this?  Is there any way to reboot the modem without 
rebooting the machine?

Alternatively, any suggestion for a modem/ethernet card?  Would I get 
better performance or better fax compatibility with a pc-card (the modem 
occasionally refuses to connect to fax machines)?



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From: "William Armstrong" <warmstrong@waldinc.com>
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Marvin,

<<I just wish it had a built-in flash/video light.>>

And with what batteries would you power this? You think the camera itself
chews batteries. Add a light into the equation. It would be better to buy a
video light and power it off a beltpack.

For a variety of reasons, I'm still stuck on the using the ThinkPad laptops
with no compromises. With a good backpack or messenger style case the
additional weight is not so much an issue to me. The new A20p/A21p form
factor, while it has its shortcomings, is lighter and thinner than the old
top-of-the-line 770. As usual YMMV.

Best regards, Bill


-----Original Message-----
From: Marvin Nakayama [mailto:marvin@homer.njit.edu]
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 9:27 AM
To: William Armstrong
Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Subject: RE: A21p or T21p


Bill,

Thanks for your input.  I'm not planning to do very much DV
editing, and so based on your experience, it sounds like
I should be fine with the A21p.  (BTW, I also have the
Sony PC100 DV camera.  Nice unit.  I just wish it had a
built-in flash/video light.)

Does anyone know if the T21p can handle some light DV editing?
I was leaning toward buying the T21p since it's lighter,
but if it can't handle editing DV, then I'll have to
go with the A21p.

Right now, I have a Thinkpad 770 (95491AU), which has a
Pentium 233 MMX and a 25GB HD.  I've tried to do some editing
on this, which didn't work at all.  Transferring the
video to the laptop resulted in so many dropped frames that it
was unusable.  I'm not sure if the problem is that my processor
or HD is too slow, maybe both.  The software I was using
(Ulead VideoStudio) says that a Pentium 166 or 233 is the bare
minimum, but I've read in rec.video that often the HD is the
bottleneck.

Marvin


On Sun, 17 Dec 2000, William Armstrong wrote:

> I've got an A21p that I have used for a little bit of DV editing. Using an
> Orange firewire PC card, Edit DV and a SONY PC100 DV camera. Seems to work
> well, but I'm hardly a pro at this. If you are really serious about hard
> drive speed, etc., you may want to also try a good external firewire
drive.
> The Orange card I am using has two firewire ports so it might work well to
> run a firewire drive off the second port.
>
> As far as the video on the A21p I don't think you can do better with a
> laptop. The resoltution on the screen is incredible. I find it very hard
to
> work on a lower resolution screen after using the A21p.
>
> Bill Armstrong
>


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This ususally happens to me when attempting to run Dialup Networking. I have
found that if I shut down "Rnaapp" (ctrl+alt+del), this will "sometimes"
reset things.

dave

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Subject: 570 modem


> The built-in modem in my 570 sometimes appears to hang.  Specifically,
when
> I try to run a program which uses it, the modem won't work.  Often I'll
> get  an error message to the effect that "port in use."  No other program
> will be using the modem, and I can't find any way to restore the modem
> other than rebooting.  I'm running Win2000, btw.
>
> Any idea how to fix this?  Is there any way to reboot the modem without
> rebooting the machine?
>
> Alternatively, any suggestion for a modem/ethernet card?  Would I get
> better performance or better fax compatibility with a pc-card (the modem
> occasionally refuses to connect to fax machines)?
>
>


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The problem is usually with Dialup Networking.  I'll try killing "rnaapp" 
the next time it hangs.

thanks.

At 01:16 PM 12/17/2000 -0600, David Reid wrote:
>This ususally happens to me when attempting to run Dialup Networking. I have
>found that if I shut down "Rnaapp" (ctrl+alt+del), this will "sometimes"
>reset things.
>
>dave
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "richard" <rpritz@rcn.com>
>To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
>Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 12:51 PM
>Subject: 570 modem
>
>
> > The built-in modem in my 570 sometimes appears to hang.  Specifically,
>when
> > I try to run a program which uses it, the modem won't work.  Often I'll
> > get  an error message to the effect that "port in use."  No other program
> > will be using the modem, and I can't find any way to restore the modem
> > other than rebooting.  I'm running Win2000, btw.
> >
> > Any idea how to fix this?  Is there any way to reboot the modem without
> > rebooting the machine?
> >
> > Alternatively, any suggestion for a modem/ethernet card?  Would I get
> > better performance or better fax compatibility with a pc-card (the modem
> > occasionally refuses to connect to fax machines)?
> >
> >


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On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 07:54:45 -0500, Richard Chalk wrote:

What about battery conditioners??


Robert

>I recently went in search of 770 batteries, and was able to buy two, on
>eBay, at about $140 each, new in sealed boxes ( different sellers)
>
>This is not bad, since IBM wants about $279, and the after-market folks
>aren't much cheaper...
>
>Good luck,
>Richard
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Vicky Stables" <VickyS@softhome.net>
>To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
>Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 1:49 AM
>Subject: 770 battery
>
>
>> Well my seldom unplugged 770 got unplugged last week and we did not notice
>> it until the battery was completely drained. Now it will not accept a
>> charge at all. Any suggestions of reviving it or replacing it at a
>> reasonable cost? It is a lithium battery.
>>
>> Vicky
>> --
>> Anacortes, Washington, USA
>



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In effect, this is what happened. But instead of conditioning it, it
killed it. I don't suppose there is a battery reset utility for the 770
like there is for the 701?

Vicky
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In <cb.c5f1d6a.276e7d5c@aol.com>, on 12/17/2000 at 03:34 PM,
   JEShoemaker@aol.com said:

>Battery Conditioning 
>  [snip]
>It is recommended that you deep-discharge your battery every few  months
>for optimum performance. Deep-discharge occurs when your  ThinkPad is
>used on battery power until the charge is at 0% (the  system will
>automatically go into hibernation). At this point, attach  the AC adapter
>and charge to 100%. 

>John


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Copied from IBM Web Site:


<bold>Symptoms corrected by version 1.04 - BIOS:IOET22WW, slave:IIHT07WW 

</bold>- Windows 95 OSR2.1, After installing USB and other device drivers
the system hang when rebooting. 

- After updating the BIOS, Linux can not be installed or will not boot. 

- When using PCI video cards, the system will not resume from standby
mode. 


Will this upgrade <bold><underline>correct or cause</underline></bold>
the Linux can not install and will not resume

issue with PCI video cards?

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Hi.. I had posted a query regarding supervisor password reset on 770. 
Thanks for the replies. I am re-wording the query. My 770 is almost three
years old. The supervisor (and HD) password were set but not known to me.
The laptop does not have a power-on password. Now day-before the CMOS
battery died so when I try to boot the laptop, I get errors "173 -- 163"
after the memory check. I figure out that the error is Date/Time error
and that to set the date and time, I need the supervisor password.

But I do not have this password. So I tried to move the hard-disk to a
friend's 770 only to realize that the HD does have a password. I didn't
know that it would have one since it never asked me on my laptop during
boot. 

Is there a way to boot my laptop when the 173 and 163 error comes with
out the supervisor password? Thanks again!! Any pointers will really be
appreciated.

Gaurav

Rob Bell <rbell1@netscape.net> wrote:

> How did the passwords get set? If you've had them on there for 3 years, 
> you would have had to enter them every time you boot, so that must not 
> be the case (or else you just set a record for the longest continually 
> running PC). If you or someone else just set them today, then you should 
> be able to track down what they are. As for 'resetting' them, the info 
> you found is correct. There is no way to reset or remove a HD password 
> without the old one. Consider it a nice looking paperweight. 

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> From: Marvin Nakayama [mailto:marvin@homer.njit.edu]

> Right now, I have a Thinkpad 770 (95491AU), which has a 
> Pentium 233 MMX and a 25GB HD.  I've tried to do some editing
> on this, which didn't work at all.  Transferring the 
> video to the laptop resulted in so many dropped frames that it 
> was unusable.  I'm not sure if the problem is that my processor
> or HD is too slow, maybe both.  The software I was using 
> (Ulead VideoStudio) says that a Pentium 166 or 233 is the bare 
> minimum, but I've read in rec.video that often the HD is the
> bottleneck.

Comparing your 770 to the A21p, there are many things that
will affect performance.

- Your CPU will be MUCH faster. However, the CPU doesn't have
very much to do unless you are compressing video or doing digital
effects like fades.

- Your memory will be 50% faster, or 100MHz instead of 66MHz.
This will have a large impact on short sequences that fit in
memory.

- Your hard drive may be a lot faster and may have a larger
cache. This is great for moving large amounts of data, and video
files get very large.

- Your video chipset can have a big impact on your performance
as well... and the A21p should have its video on the AGP bus so
it will be much faster than the 770.

On my new desktop home-made machine, I've got a 900MHz Athlon,
133MHz memory, 10kRPM Ultra160 SCSI drive, and video capture
takes about 5% of the CPU... so all those effects add up.

Chris


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From: "Denis Hall" <denhall@ismi.net>
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Subject: 32mb DIMM carriers for ThinkPad 760 -- for the memory hungry....
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Along with a bunch of 760EL/XL laptops I just received into stock,
I received a few of the 32mb DIMM carriers for the 760 E/ED/ELseries
ThinkPads which are required to get maximum RAM up to 104mb on those
units... rather than reselling anonymously, I figured there might be some
list members who really NEED these items and decided to offer here first.  I
only have a few to offer...

For those  unfamiliar with this option, it is the actual DIMM Carrier -- and
it has 32mb onboard already, so you add the additional DIMM memory modules
(2) onto this carrier.  The stock carrier in most 760's had 8mb onboard....
Also, this is not for the XL or XD series.... but primarily the E/ED and EL
series units.

Email if you have need....

denhall@ismi.net

Denis Hall, Michigan




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SO, sandy..
post it for sale on my open forum..

Cordially,  :-)
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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: FS: SelectaDock III - Brand-new!! $65


> For Sale: SelectaDock III - Brand-new, in box, still in factory plastic.
> Docking station for the IBM ThinkPad 600, 760, 765, 770 series
> Includes manual, software, power cord.
>
> $65 plus shipping!!  Factory fresh!!
>
> Call Sandy at 408-257-2800
> or send email to sandy@sandy.com
>
> Still available through CDW, Micro Warehouse, and others for $700+...
> http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/default.asp?EDC=097050
>
> http://www2.warehouse.com/product.asp?pf%5Fid=EX8199&cat=pc
>
> IBM docking solutions build on the power, convenience and flexibility you
> already enjoy with your ThinkPad. You can even upgrade from port
> replication to full PCI-based desktop expansion with our modular
> SelectaDock solutions.
>
> Features and Benefits:
> SelectaDock III - The IBM family of docking solutions is modular and
> flexible in the peripherals it accommodates. It's upgradable,
> industry-standard compatible and very easy to use.  Connectivity, power
and
> simplicity - Coupled with the new SelectaBase 770 or SelectaDock Base
Model
> I, SelectaDock III is a clever productivity enhancement that offers both
> simple cable management and full desktop function and connectivity.
> Investment protection - IBM's docking solution is designed to allow new
> ThinkPads to work with existing and future docking products. It's a
> building-block approach your budget will appreciate.
>
> System unit: ThinkPad 760E/ED/EL/ELD/XD/XL (with IBM SelectaDock Base
Model
> I), ThinkPad 765D/L (with IBM SelectaDock Base Model I), ThinkPad 770
(with
> IBM SelectaBase 770)
>
>   Expansion device type: Docking Station
>   Expansion slots: 2(2) PCI/ISA shared fullsize/1 PCI halfsize
>   PCMCIA: 2 Type II or 1 Type III CardBus
>   3.5" bays - accessible (free) and height: 1 HH
>   3.5" bays - not accessible (free) and height: 0
>   5.25" bays - accessible (free) and height: 0
>   5.25" bays - not accessible (free) and height: 0
>   Plug and Play support: Yes
>   Parallel ports (type):
>   Serial ports (type): 2 (USB)
>   Expansion ports: Headphone jack, Line in (stereo),
>     Line out (stereo), MIDI/joystick, SCSI-3
>
> Security features:
>   Docking guide
>   Docking security
>   Fail-safe dock/undock
>   Fail-safe eject key
>   Notebook security
>   Multimedia features: Headphone jack, Speakers (stereo)
>
>


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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 00:17:34 -0800
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On 12/17/2000 "Steve C." <stevec50@yahoo.com> said:

>Sometimes it helps to turn it off and take out the
>battery to reset, them put it back in again and try to
>see if it will charge. If you have a voltmeter
>available, measure the voltage on the battery plus and
>minus terminals. 

Thanks Steve. I would do that if I could figure out where they were. There
are six slots in the end of this battery and five of them look like they
have metal conductors in them. I did not see any positive or negative
markings. Any experience with these?

The battery will never run down
>completely in normal use, even when the charge
>indicator says zero it should still have some voltage
>just not enought to run the laptop.
>If it doesn't measure at least 1/2 of it's rated
>voltage it isn't any good and will not charge anyway.

>--- Vicky Stables <VickyS@softhome.net> wrote:
>> In effect, this is what happened. But instead of
>> conditioning it, it
>> killed it. I don't suppose there is a battery reset
>> utility for the 770
>> like there is for the 701?
>> 
>> Vicky
>> -- 
>>
>___________________________________________________________
>> 
>> Vicky Stables, CPA
>> vickys@softhome.net
>>
>___________________________________________________________
>> 
>> In <cb.c5f1d6a.276e7d5c@aol.com>, on 12/17/2000 at
>> 03:34 PM,
>>    JEShoemaker@aol.com said:
>> 
>> >Battery Conditioning 
>> >  [snip]
>> >It is recommended that you deep-discharge your
>> battery every few  months
>> >for optimum performance. Deep-discharge occurs when
>> your  ThinkPad is
>> >used on battery power until the charge is at 0%
>> (the  system will
>> >automatically go into hibernation). At this point,
>> attach  the AC adapter
>> >and charge to 100%. 
>> 
>> >John
>> 


>=====
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>__________________________________________________
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Warm Regards,

Vicky
-- 
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___________________________________________________________



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Subject: T21 vs Dual-screen
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Hi everybody!

I using T21and tried to use dual-screen function under win2k, but not successful.
Can I using the dual-screen function under win2k?
What should I do?

thanks.

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This is a poor way for them to explain it, but it means that a previous =
upgrade caused a problem, and this upgrade solves the problem.

Richard

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu=20
  Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:24 PM
  Subject: BIOS upgrade for 770Z




  Copied from IBM Web Site:

  Symptoms corrected by version 1.04 - BIOS:IOET22WW, slave:IIHT07WW=20
  - Windows 95 OSR2.1, After installing USB and other device drivers the =
system hang when rebooting.=20
  - After updating the BIOS, Linux can not be installed or will not =
boot.=20
  - When using PCI video cards, the system will not resume from standby =
mode.=20

  Will this upgrade correct or cause the Linux can not install and will =
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  issue with PCI video cards?=20

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corrected=20
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OSR2.1,=20
  After installing USB and other device drivers the system hang when =
rebooting.=20
  <BR>- After updating the BIOS, Linux can not be installed or will not =
boot.=20
  <BR>- When using PCI video cards, the system will not resume from =
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In Linux with my T20 (12GB drive), I've measured sustained disk writes
of near 10MB/s.

--Lee Hetherington



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There is no easy way to remove those passwords. That is by
design so they are secure.

You have to re-program a chip on the motherboard, or perhaps
even replace that chip. I'm not sure if you can get to the
disk at all... perhaps using OnTrack Data Recovery or
some very expensive service. (www.ontrack.com)

But please keep us all informed as to what you try and what
actually works.

Good luck,
Chris Schumann

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gaurav Aggarwal" <agaurav@usa.net>
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Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:39 PM
Subject: Error 173 -- 163 and supervisor password on 770



Hi.. I had posted a query regarding supervisor password reset on 770. 
Thanks for the replies. I am re-wording the query. My 770 is almost three
years old. The supervisor (and HD) password were set but not known to me.
The laptop does not have a power-on password. Now day-before the CMOS
battery died so when I try to boot the laptop, I get errors "173 -- 163"
after the memory check. I figure out that the error is Date/Time error
and that to set the date and time, I need the supervisor password.

But I do not have this password. So I tried to move the hard-disk to a
friend's 770 only to realize that the HD does have a password. I didn't
know that it would have one since it never asked me on my laptop during
boot. 

Is there a way to boot my laptop when the 173 and 163 error comes with
out the supervisor password? Thanks again!! Any pointers will really be
appreciated.

Gaurav



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Some of you might remember my whining (from about 2 years) ago about IBM's
refusal to repair a broken
latch on my 560.  (Short recap: when I called the tech said they'd cover it, so
"send it in"; when they got the machine they wanted to bill me hundreds for the
repair, as "plastic is not covered"; when pressed, they said that the lower
latch would have been covered but not the upper part; then they didn't want  to
return the machine to me, and I finally got it back the day I left for a 5
month stay overseas, still with the latch broken but with a new, unasked-for
keyboard.  Because I was ex patria,
I could not conveniently elevate the case.  BTW, the latch self-destructed
while the machine was snugly in a computer case, which was in turn in a
suitcase, which I'd carefully put in the overhead bin of a 767.)

Well, the machine went back the other day for a new DC-DC board (under an
extended warrantee).  When I called
Easy-Serve this morning, they said that it was being tested, but that so far
they'd replaced the DC-DC board *and* given
me a new keyboard (!) *and* replaced the "LCD bezel" (presumably for the busted
latch part!).  I certainly hadn't asked for the latter two this time.

I'll have to see what the machine looks like when it comes back.  Perhaps the
correct strategy with IBM is to *not*
ask for this kind of repair, with the idea that they're more likely to do it if
they think they are being kind.

- David R.


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What have been their reasons for the unanticipated keyboard replacements? 
Just curious...

Rob

"David Ross" <ross@math.hawaii.edu> wrote:
> Some of you might remember my whining (from about 2 years) ago about IBM's
> refusal to repair a broken
> latch on my 560.  (Short recap: when I called the tech said they'd cover it,
so
> "send it in"; when they got the machine they wanted to bill me hundreds for
the
> repair, as "plastic is not covered"; when pressed, they said that the lower
> latch would have been covered but not the upper part; then they didn't want 
to
> return the machine to me, and I finally got it back the day I left for a 5
> month stay overseas, still with the latch broken but with a new,
unasked-for
> keyboard.  Because I was ex patria,
> I could not conveniently elevate the case.  BTW, the latch self-destructed
> while the machine was snugly in a computer case, which was in turn in a
> suitcase, which I'd carefully put in the overhead bin of a 767.)
> 
> Well, the machine went back the other day for a new DC-DC board (under an
> extended warrantee).  When I called
> Easy-Serve this morning, they said that it was being tested, but that so
far
> they'd replaced the DC-DC board *and* given
> me a new keyboard (!) *and* replaced the "LCD bezel" (presumably for the
busted
> latch part!).  I certainly hadn't asked for the latter two this time.
> 
> I'll have to see what the machine looks like when it comes back.  Perhaps
the
> correct strategy with IBM is to *not*
> ask for this kind of repair, with the idea that they're more likely to do it
if
> they think they are being kind.
> 
> - David R.


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> What have been their reasons for the unanticipated keyboard replacements?
> Just curious...

Dirty?  Seriously, I have no idea, the keyboards were well-worn (and maybe
sloppier than they
ought to be, I type with a *very* heavy touch), but otherwise OK.

- David R.


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I recently wrote the list about a sluggish F key.  It was suggested on the list that there might be debris under the key, and that I should use compressed air to attempt to remove the debris, and that if I send my machine in to Easy-Serve, I will be charged if it turns out that this is just a debris issue.

Well, the F recovered, and now it's the 1 key that's the problem.  And it's VERY difficult to press at all.  I realize this evidence further supports that there is a debris issue (i.e. perhaps the debris moved while I was transporting the machine).  However, others have advised me that they've had poor success with using compressed air to clear things from under their keys.  I happen to be skeptical that I will be able to clear whatever is lodged under there, assuming there is something lodged under there.  (I haven't, in fact, TRIED to use compressed air to solve this problem.)

Is there any other easy or safe (i.e. not warranty-voiding) way to get under that key so I can determine whether this is a hardware problem or not?  I certainly don't want to send the machine in and wind up getting charged.  (Honestly, I don't want to send the machine in at all, although it would be amusing to see what things get fixed that I didn't ask for, and what things they want to charge me for that aren't broken, and how long I'd be stuck without a machine, etc..)

Symptom: 1 key doesn't move down much when pressed, and machine doesn't recognize that it's being pressed.  Pressing hard causes it to depress enough to trigger the machine to recognize it.

Thanks much for any suggestions!

- Ken
kenzo@free-music.com

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Compressed air might at least push it around until it is visible, at which
point a very tiny tweezer (I've used Swiss Army standard issue) can get it out.
Or, try the air while the keyboard is upside down.

Is there a reason why you are afraid of the compressed air?  I think it is the
least potentially destructive
way to attack the problem.

- David R.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <kenzo@free-music.com>
To: "Thinkpad list" <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 5:49 AM
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> I recently wrote the list about a sluggish F key.  It was suggested on the
list that there might be debris under the key, and that I should use compressed
air to attempt to remove the debris, and that if I send my machine in to
Easy-Serve, I will be charged if it turns out that this is just a debris issue.
>
> Well, the F recovered, and now it's the 1 key that's the problem.  And it's
VERY difficult to press at all.  I realize this evidence further supports that
there is a debris issue (i.e. perhaps the debris moved while I was transporting
the machine).  However, others have advised me that they've had poor success
with using compressed air to clear things from under their keys.  I happen to
be skeptical that I will be able to clear whatever is lodged under there,
assuming there is something lodged under there.  (I haven't, in fact, TRIED to
use compressed air to solve this problem.)
>
> Is there any other easy or safe (i.e. not warranty-voiding) way to get under
that key so I can determine whether this is a hardware problem or not?  I
certainly don't want to send the machine in and wind up getting charged.
(Honestly, I don't want to send the machine in at all, although it would be
amusing to see what things get fixed that I didn't ask for, and what things
they want to charge me for that aren't broken, and how long I'd be stuck
without a machine, etc..)
>
> Symptom: 1 key doesn't move down much when pressed, and machine doesn't
recognize that it's being pressed.  Pressing hard causes it to depress enough
to trigger the machine to recognize it.
>
> Thanks much for any suggestions!
>
> - Ken
> kenzo@free-music.com
>


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Is there any way to hide a partition using Nt 4.0, making it
"invisible" sorta like a hidden file?

Allan Ballard



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If you can remove the keyboard from the unit, hold it upside down and shake
it as hard as you can, then get a vacuum cleaner and clean the keys with a
soft bristle brush until you don't think you can stand doing that any more.

I have done this several times, all with good luck and sometimes completely
repairing the keyboard.  If you can't take the keyboard out of the unit, hold
the ThinkPad upside down and shake it glently as you clean it.  I do realize
that  what I suggest needs the services of two people, probably in private, as
it looks REALLY weird to those who don't know what's going on. ;-)

--STeve Andre'

At 12:37 PM 12/19/00 -1000, David Ross wrote:
>Compressed air might at least push it around until it is visible, at which
>point a very tiny tweezer (I've used Swiss Army standard issue) can get it 
>out.
>Or, try the air while the keyboard is upside down.
>
>Is there a reason why you are afraid of the compressed air?  I think it is the
>least potentially destructive
>way to attack the problem.
>
>- David R.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ken" <kenzo@free-music.com>
>To: "Thinkpad list" <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 5:49 AM
>Subject: [770ED] Sticking key-Debris or hardware failure?
>
>
> > I recently wrote the list about a sluggish F key.  It was suggested on the
>list that there might be debris under the key, and that I should use 
>compressed
>air to attempt to remove the debris, and that if I send my machine in to
>Easy-Serve, I will be charged if it turns out that this is just a debris 
>issue.
> >
> > Well, the F recovered, and now it's the 1 key that's the problem.  And it's
>VERY difficult to press at all.  I realize this evidence further supports that
>there is a debris issue (i.e. perhaps the debris moved while I was 
>transporting
>the machine).  However, others have advised me that they've had poor success
>with using compressed air to clear things from under their keys.  I happen to
>be skeptical that I will be able to clear whatever is lodged under there,
>assuming there is something lodged under there.  (I haven't, in fact, TRIED to
>use compressed air to solve this problem.)
> >
> > Is there any other easy or safe (i.e. not warranty-voiding) way to get 
> under
>that key so I can determine whether this is a hardware problem or not?  I
>certainly don't want to send the machine in and wind up getting charged.
>(Honestly, I don't want to send the machine in at all, although it would be
>amusing to see what things get fixed that I didn't ask for, and what things
>they want to charge me for that aren't broken, and how long I'd be stuck
>without a machine, etc..)
> >
> > Symptom: 1 key doesn't move down much when pressed, and machine doesn't
>recognize that it's being pressed.  Pressing hard causes it to depress enough
>to trigger the machine to recognize it.
> >
> > Thanks much for any suggestions!
> >
> > - Ken
> > kenzo@free-music.com
> >


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Dr. Jeff,

If this is a one-time deal, find a local professional photo lab
and have them burn the file to a PC-formatted CD.  Just wait 
until after Christmas or they'll shove you out the door.

If you're going to do this repeatedly, you could buy an internal
zip drive for the CD-ROM bay or get an external parallel port zip 
drive, upgrade your Win OS, and get a copy of Mac Disk 98...pain 
in the butt but I do it every day and it works fine.

Note many Mac people don't use 3 char file extensions, so you'll
probably have to ask the person who sent you the file what type
it is and add the proper extension in order to be able to view
the file.  If you're lucky, it's just a TIF or PhotoShop PSD in
Mac byte order, which most decent viewers can handle.

Hope this helps.

Mark

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dr. Jeffrey Race [mailto:jrace@attglobal.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 7:09 AM
> To: Thinkpad Users Group
> Cc: Dr. Jeffrey Race
> Subject: 600E -- needs files on Mac Zip Disk
> 
> 
> Today I (unexpectedly) received big graphic files on a Zip disk
> in Mac format.  I know nothing about this hardware.  What do I
> need to be able to read a <PC> zip disk on a Thinkpad 600E (I 
> assume something to replace the DVD drive) and do I have any
> options for a removeable device?
> 
> Also, does the abovementioned PC h/w have the capability to 
> read a disk in Mac format?  If not, what do I do?  (I assume go
> to a shop which has a Mac LANned to a PC and them use my
> Laplink program to take off the PC over a parallel port.  What
> other options?)
> 
> I am running OS/2 Warp 4 but can boot to DOS and Win 3.1.
> 
> All illumination appreciated.
> 
> Jeffrey Race
> 

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Hi,

I have a thinkPad A20M, running W2K

I got trouble with ghost image to clone my old HD.
Boot Fail with the clone:

can not find NTLDR (file exists in new cloned drive), and I do not think
boot needs it.

I vaguely remember that there is something like reformat boot sector
something I have to do before the clone/imae?

please help

Siqing


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how do i subscribe to this mailing list?

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After many frustrating hours, I've (temporarily) admitted defeat; and need
some suggestions.
Sequence of events.
Thinkpad 560E, freshly formatted and ready to install Warp. Partitioned hdd
for C: and D:
Warp 4 install cd copied to D: (fat16) partition on hdd.
Ran install to drive C: partition (hpfs), specifying pcmcia support and
ethernet pcmcia card for network. (Xircom CEM-56/100btx combo card)
System works perfectly. Both MS and Warp pc's on network able to see and
share files with the 560E.
Then added drivers for pcmcia (CNF 2x) cd-rom.
Cd-rom works perfectly, network communication lost. No connectivity at all.
PC card services sees the Xircom as a modem, which it is, using Com 2, so
that looks alright, and sees the cd-rom as an IDE device, also fine.
Tried re-ordering the drivers load sequence in config.sys. but that only
gave me startup errors. Still, the cd-rom and modem worked, not the ethernet
connection. Thinking the OS/2 pcmcia drivers were overriding the netcard
access to the slot, I then I re-installed the whole shebang, this time not
enabling pcmcia support, but again specified the Xircom card for network
adapter.
Network is found. Then added pcmcia support. Network still found! Then added
the cd-rom, and guess what?
No network. Ok, once more I re-installed. This time NO network adapter
specified (other than the IBM Null Mac driver, just to get TCP/IP for the
modem). Then added the cd-rom, and had modem and cd working fine. Then added
the ethernet adapter with MTPS installation, and NO network connectivity.
I humbly ask for your assistance.

Matt Winston
Trying to Warp but takeoff is delayed.



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On Wed, 20 Dec 2000 23:33:02 -0600, Matt Winston wrote:

>ethernet pcmcia card for network. (Xircom CEM-56/100btx combo card)

i've had similar problems with my Xircom REM56G-100, i can't
use the modem and the ethernet at the same time, and it did have
some conflict with other drivers.

i may suggest that you may be out of IRQ's, so you may try disabling
some devices like the InfraRed.

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I use Ghost 6.5 (and previously 6.0.3) all the time to clone my A20p and 600
hard drives with Windows 2000, and the copies are always bootable.

But I use Ghost's drive-to-drive copy, not its image copy. The
drive-to-drive copy sets up the boot sector correctly.

Basically I just put the backup drive in the 2nd HDD adapter, run Ghost, and
hit Enter several times--the default menu choices are exactly the right
ones.

This is with the corporate/enterprise version of Ghost; I haven't tried the
personal edition.

-Mike

> From: Siqing Wei [mailto:swei@getsilicon.net]
>
> I have a thinkPad A20M, running W2K
>
> I got trouble with ghost image to clone my old HD.
> Boot Fail with the clone:
>
> can not find NTLDR (file exists in new cloned drive), and I do not think
> boot needs it.
>
> I vaguely remember that there is something like reformat boot sector
> something I have to do before the clone/imae?


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Hello,
has anyone ever had a loosened Power-jack -- that makes a poor
connection? (When you put the AC/adapter plug into the slot) then there
is not a battery charging sign on the LCD?
I think it may have to be opened and (rivet/glued) -- anyone experienced
this? TP760EL 9547 X4G (out of warranty) and i dont want to buy new
motherboard.
Alan
sundberg@planet-interkom.de


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you need to learn WHERE the socket is loose..
or if it is the plug within which the contacts have lost their "springiness"
and thus make a poor connection which leads to heat, which makes the the
plugs contacts even weaker..
i vicious cycle..

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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> Hello,
> has anyone ever had a loosened Power-jack -- that makes a poor
> connection? (When you put the AC/adapter plug into the slot) then there
> is not a battery charging sign on the LCD?
> I think it may have to be opened and (rivet/glued) -- anyone experienced
> this? TP760EL 9547 X4G (out of warranty) and i dont want to buy new
> motherboard.
> Alan
> sundberg@planet-interkom.de
>
>


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Does anyone here have DVD working on their 600E with Win2K?
I'm just wondering, I tried installing Mediamatic's DVD Express on my Win2K
desktop, but the install stopped working.  I'm just wondering if this is the case
when I get my 600E (which I should have the first week of January, after my DSL
is finally installed).  Also, are video driver updates required for Windows 2000,
or do I just use the latest driver on IBM's site?  I already downloaded that
stuff to have it ready.

Thanks all,

Paul



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Some people like me have been looking for a GPS solution
that works under OS/2.

Along with the pcmcia cards that are recognized as plain serial ports,
there are two cards which are supported natively by the PC Card Director
services v5.0 for ThinkPad systems by IBM.

These are: 
Rockwell Telecommunications: NavCard(**) GPS Receiver
Socket Communications.Inc: PCMCIA Global Positioning System

PC Card Director version 5.0 can be downloaded from IBM's
Software Choice website, under the Device Drivers link, the link
is bellow the USB drivers. You need a SWC subscription.

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Hello,

Yes, works perfect. Win2k, Win2kSP1 and Whistler beta1 works perfect.
but I'm not using this crappy Mediamtic DVD Express...



Friday, December 22, 2000, 6:11:12 AM, you wrote:
PK> Does anyone here have DVD working on their 600E with Win2K?
PK> I'm just wondering, I tried installing Mediamatic's DVD Express on my Win2K
PK> desktop, but the install stopped working.  I'm just wondering if this is the case
PK> when I get my 600E (which I should have the first week of January, after my DSL
PK> is finally installed).  Also, are video driver updates required for Windows 2000,
PK> or do I just use the latest driver on IBM's site?  I already downloaded that
PK> stuff to have it ready.

PK> Thanks all,

PK> Paul





-- 
 Sashka



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Sashka [mailto:list@tryam.com] wrote:

> Yes, works perfect. Win2k, Win2kSP1 and Whistler beta1 works perfect.
> but I'm not using this crappy Mediamtic DVD Express...

Works right out of the box under W2K Paul. But don't use the DVDExpress until
you've upgraded to the newest release:
http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4GV37K.html which, at 16MB, is a good
reason to wait for your DSL line to be installed. Use the MS DVD player in W2K
(\system32\dvdplay.exe) until you can upgrade.

Sashka, the new DVDExpress is _much_ better than the old release. Cures the low
volume problem also. Give it a try.

Regards,

James


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On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 01:34:07PM -0200, Dimitris 'sehh' Michelinakis wrote:
> Some people like me have been looking for a GPS solution
> that works under OS/2.

I've been looking for GPS solution for OS/2 for over six months, and
the only thing I've come across is a GPS receiver the iGPS, see:-

http://www.pharosgps.com/Product/product.html

This plugs into a standard serial port and takes power from the
external keyboard port, although the power lead cable is too short
for a ThinkPad.

> Along with the pcmcia cards that are recognized as plain serial ports,
> there are two cards which are supported natively by the PC Card Director
> services v5.0 for ThinkPad systems by IBM.

I also have a Sony/ETAK PCMCIA based receiver, which shows up as a
COM port under Card Director when inserted, but I am unable to get
any data out of it, so don't know if it is working as a standard
serial port. If a run 'mode com3:' the mode commmand runs but then
hangs before returning, and the session does not resume until the
card is ejected. Maybe a PCMCIA serial port needs an additional
PCMCIA driver, such as the ones for Flash, CF or ATA storage...

> These are:
> Rockwell Telecommunications: NavCard(**) GPS Receiver
> Socket Communications.Inc: PCMCIA Global Positioning System
>
> PC Card Director version 5.0 can be downloaded from IBM's
> Software Choice website, under the Device Drivers link, the link
> is bellow the USB drivers. You need a SWC subscription.

Does this one actually announce itself as v5.0 ?

A previous release displayed v3.0 even though it was supposed to
v4.x - very confusing.

Guess I'll grab a copy anyway and see if it makes a difference...


> þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ
> þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ
> þ Live fast, die young, and leave a handsome corpse. þ
>

--
John



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Hello to all.

Does anybody kow where to get a A21P

model 2629HSU (850MHZ, 32gb, W98 and Intel Combo) ?

Is it in Stock anywhere ?

Thanks in advance, Harry


 
*****************************************************************
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     Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay.
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I have both a T21 and an A21 infront of me right now (don't ask, IBM sent me
one of each).  I am trying to decide the same thing.  I like each for
different reasons.  The processors and performance is identical.  The main
difference is the weight and the screen.

The one defect that I have noticed on the T21, is that I loose the mouse
when I move the body of the machine.  I don't know if this is just this unit
or if it is a characteristic of the model.  Does anyone know?

-----Original Message-----
From: Marvin Nakayama [mailto:marvin@homer.njit.edu]
Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 2:28 PM
To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
Subject: A21p or T21p

Hi everyone,

I'm planning to buy a new laptop, probably either an A21p or T21p.
I want to do some digital video (DV) editing on the laptop,
and so I need a fast machine.  Does anyone have any thoughts
on which machine would be better?

I noticed that the A21p has 16MB of SGRAM, and the T21p has
only 8MB.  Will this affect editing DV?

Also, editing DV requires a minimum sustained throughput of 3.6MB/sec,
and I was hoping that the 5400rpm 32GB drives would be able to
handle this.  I saw some specs at
http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/me.nsf/d1cd5924e7a2cfda8525668d006a1781/dd3f855196
c47495852569490016eac6/$FILE/ops6327f.pdf
that claimed that these drives have a sustained throughput
of 10.9 to 20.3 MB/sec, but I'm skeptical.
Has anyone tried DV editing with these drives?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me with these issues.

Marvin


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I have heard that the dual screen is not functional under w2k.  If this is
not correct, someone please let me know!!!!


-----Original Message-----
From: HuaiKuei Wu [mailto:hwike@hehe.com]
Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 12:52 AM
To: hwike@hehe.com
Subject: T21 vs Dual-screen

Hi everybody!

I using T21and tried to use dual-screen function under win2k, but not
successful.
Can I using the dual-screen function under win2k?
What should I do?

thanks.


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I don't really see any problem here. Won't any GPS
unit with a serial interface work with OS/2?  I know
OS/2 supports serial ports!

--- John Poltorak <jp@eyup.org> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 22, 2000 at 01:34:07PM -0200, Dimitris
> 'sehh' Michelinakis wrote:
> > Some people like me have been looking for a GPS
> solution
> > that works under OS/2.
> 
> I've been looking for GPS solution for OS/2 for over
> six months, and
> the only thing I've come across is a GPS receiver
> the iGPS, see:-
> 
> http://www.pharosgps.com/Product/product.html
> 
> This plugs into a standard serial port and takes
> power from the
> external keyboard port, although the power lead
> cable is too short
> for a ThinkPad.
> 
> > Along with the pcmcia cards that are recognized as
> plain serial ports,
> > there are two cards which are supported natively
> by the PC Card Director
> > services v5.0 for ThinkPad systems by IBM.
> 
> I also have a Sony/ETAK PCMCIA based receiver, which
> shows up as a
> COM port under Card Director when inserted, but I am
> unable to get
> any data out of it, so don't know if it is working
> as a standard
> serial port. If a run 'mode com3:' the mode commmand
> runs but then
> hangs before returning, and the session does not
> resume until the
> card is ejected. Maybe a PCMCIA serial port needs an
> additional
> PCMCIA driver, such as the ones for Flash, CF or ATA
> storage...
> 
> > These are:
> > Rockwell Telecommunications: NavCard(**) GPS
> Receiver
> > Socket Communications.Inc: PCMCIA Global
> Positioning System
> >
> > PC Card Director version 5.0 can be downloaded
> from IBM's
> > Software Choice website, under the Device Drivers
> link, the link
> > is bellow the USB drivers. You need a SWC
> subscription.
> 
> Does this one actually announce itself as v5.0 ?
> 
> A previous release displayed v3.0 even though it was
> supposed to
> v4.x - very confusing.
> 
> Guess I'll grab a copy anyway and see if it makes a
> difference...
> 
> 
> > þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ
> > þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ
> > þ Live fast, die young, and leave a handsome
> corpse. þ
> >
> 
> --
> John
> 
> 


=====
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Lucky you!  I'm trying to find a store close to my home so that
I can compare the two side by side, but I haven't found a store
that carries them.  (I live in New York City.)  Datavision had
some Thinkpad A21s and T21s, but not the specific models that
I'm considering.  I want to see the A21 with the 1600x1200 screen
since several people on this list complained about the resolution
being too high.  Also, I'd like to see the T21 with 1400x1050 screen.

Do you have any thoughts about the two screens (assuming that
you have the right models)?  Also, do you have any idea how
the graphics performance of the two compare?  I'd like to do
a little bit of editing DV on my laptop, and so graphics
performance may be important.

Thanks in advance.

Marvin


On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Stephen Hosmer wrote:

> I have both a T21 and an A21 infront of me right now (don't ask, IBM sent me
> one of each).  I am trying to decide the same thing.  I like each for
> different reasons.  The processors and performance is identical.  The main
> difference is the weight and the screen.
> 
> The one defect that I have noticed on the T21, is that I loose the mouse
> when I move the body of the machine.  I don't know if this is just this unit
> or if it is a characteristic of the model.  Does anyone know?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marvin Nakayama [mailto:marvin@homer.njit.edu]
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 2:28 PM
> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
> Subject: A21p or T21p
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I'm planning to buy a new laptop, probably either an A21p or T21p.
> I want to do some digital video (DV) editing on the laptop,
> and so I need a fast machine.  Does anyone have any thoughts
> on which machine would be better?
> 
> I noticed that the A21p has 16MB of SGRAM, and the T21p has
> only 8MB.  Will this affect editing DV?
> 
> Also, editing DV requires a minimum sustained throughput of 3.6MB/sec,
> and I was hoping that the 5400rpm 32GB drives would be able to
> handle this.  I saw some specs at
> http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/me.nsf/d1cd5924e7a2cfda8525668d006a1781/dd3f855196
> c47495852569490016eac6/$FILE/ops6327f.pdf
> that claimed that these drives have a sustained throughput
> of 10.9 to 20.3 MB/sec, but I'm skeptical.
> Has anyone tried DV editing with these drives?
> 
> Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me with these issues.
> 
> Marvin
> 
> 


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What do you mean by "I loose the mouse when I move the body of the machine"?

ssh

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Hosmer [mailto:hosmer@royl.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 10:21
> To: Marvin Nakayama
> Cc: Thinkpad
> Subject: RE: A21p or T21p
> 
> 
> I have both a T21 and an A21 infront of me right now (don't 
> ask, IBM sent me
> one of each).  I am trying to decide the same thing.  I like each for
> different reasons.  The processors and performance is 
> identical.  The main
> difference is the weight and the screen.
> 
> The one defect that I have noticed on the T21, is that I 
> loose the mouse
> when I move the body of the machine.  I don't know if this is 
> just this unit
> or if it is a characteristic of the model.  Does anyone know?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marvin Nakayama [mailto:marvin@homer.njit.edu]
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 2:28 PM
> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
> Subject: A21p or T21p
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I'm planning to buy a new laptop, probably either an A21p or T21p.
> I want to do some digital video (DV) editing on the laptop,
> and so I need a fast machine.  Does anyone have any thoughts
> on which machine would be better?
> 
> I noticed that the A21p has 16MB of SGRAM, and the T21p has
> only 8MB.  Will this affect editing DV?
> 
> Also, editing DV requires a minimum sustained throughput of 3.6MB/sec,
> and I was hoping that the 5400rpm 32GB drives would be able to
> handle this.  I saw some specs at
> http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/me.nsf/d1cd5924e7a2cfda8525668d006a1
781/dd3f855196
c47495852569490016eac6/$FILE/ops6327f.pdf
that claimed that these drives have a sustained throughput
of 10.9 to 20.3 MB/sec, but I'm skeptical.
Has anyone tried DV editing with these drives?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me with these issues.

Marvin


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If I flex the main unit (i.e. the body where the keyboard is) the mouse
either goes wild with erratic movement or random key clicks.

_________________________________
Royale Energy Inc.  (NASDAQ: ROYL)
Stephen M. Hosmer (mailto:hosmer@royl.com)
Chief Financial Officer

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 10:35 AM
To: Stephen Hosmer; Marvin Nakayama
Cc: Thinkpad
Subject: RE: A21p or T21p

What do you mean by "I loose the mouse when I move the body of the machine"?

ssh

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen Hosmer [mailto:hosmer@royl.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 10:21
> To: Marvin Nakayama
> Cc: Thinkpad
> Subject: RE: A21p or T21p
>
>
> I have both a T21 and an A21 infront of me right now (don't
> ask, IBM sent me
> one of each).  I am trying to decide the same thing.  I like each for
> different reasons.  The processors and performance is
> identical.  The main
> difference is the weight and the screen.
>
> The one defect that I have noticed on the T21, is that I
> loose the mouse
> when I move the body of the machine.  I don't know if this is
> just this unit
> or if it is a characteristic of the model.  Does anyone know?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marvin Nakayama [mailto:marvin@homer.njit.edu]
> Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 2:28 PM
> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
> Subject: A21p or T21p
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm planning to buy a new laptop, probably either an A21p or T21p.
> I want to do some digital video (DV) editing on the laptop,
> and so I need a fast machine.  Does anyone have any thoughts
> on which machine would be better?
>
> I noticed that the A21p has 16MB of SGRAM, and the T21p has
> only 8MB.  Will this affect editing DV?
>
> Also, editing DV requires a minimum sustained throughput of 3.6MB/sec,
> and I was hoping that the 5400rpm 32GB drives would be able to
> handle this.  I saw some specs at
> http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/me.nsf/d1cd5924e7a2cfda8525668d006a1
781/dd3f855196
c47495852569490016eac6/$FILE/ops6327f.pdf
that claimed that these drives have a sustained throughput
of 10.9 to 20.3 MB/sec, but I'm skeptical.
Has anyone tried DV editing with these drives?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me with these issues.

Marvin


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I have the A21-HTU and the T21-97U.  The T21 resolution is great and yes the
A21 is a bit too high.  I have had to use a larger scale font to prevent eye
strain.
_________________________________
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Stephen M. Hosmer (mailto:hosmer@royl.com)
Chief Financial Officer

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 9:56 AM
To: Stephen Hosmer
Cc: Marvin Nakayama; Thinkpad
Subject: RE: A21p or T21p

Lucky you!  I'm trying to find a store close to my home so that
I can compare the two side by side, but I haven't found a store
that carries them.  (I live in New York City.)  Datavision had
some Thinkpad A21s and T21s, but not the specific models that
I'm considering.  I want to see the A21 with the 1600x1200 screen
since several people on this list complained about the resolution
being too high.  Also, I'd like to see the T21 with 1400x1050 screen.

Do you have any thoughts about the two screens (assuming that
you have the right models)?  Also, do you have any idea how
the graphics performance of the two compare?  I'd like to do
a little bit of editing DV on my laptop, and so graphics
performance may be important.

Thanks in advance.

Marvin



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I have not seen that on my T20 (note: not T21). Is this true when you're
using a mouse, or only when you're using the TrackPoint?

ssh

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 11:39
> To: Steve Hultquist
> Cc: Thinkpad
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> 
> 
> If I flex the main unit (i.e. the body where the keyboard is) 
> the mouse
> either goes wild with erratic movement or random key clicks.
> 
> _________________________________
> Royale Energy Inc.  (NASDAQ: ROYL)
> Stephen M. Hosmer (mailto:hosmer@royl.com)
> Chief Financial Officer
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Hultquist [mailto:ssh@accumedia.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 10:35 AM
> To: Stephen Hosmer; Marvin Nakayama
> Cc: Thinkpad
> Subject: RE: A21p or T21p
> 
> What do you mean by "I loose the mouse when I move the body 
> of the machine"?
> 
> ssh
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stephen Hosmer [mailto:hosmer@royl.com]
> > Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 10:21
> > To: Marvin Nakayama
> > Cc: Thinkpad
> > Subject: RE: A21p or T21p
> >
> >
> > I have both a T21 and an A21 infront of me right now (don't
> > ask, IBM sent me
> > one of each).  I am trying to decide the same thing.  I 
> like each for
> > different reasons.  The processors and performance is
> > identical.  The main
> > difference is the weight and the screen.
> >
> > The one defect that I have noticed on the T21, is that I
> > loose the mouse
> > when I move the body of the machine.  I don't know if this is
> > just this unit
> > or if it is a characteristic of the model.  Does anyone know?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marvin Nakayama [mailto:marvin@homer.njit.edu]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 2:28 PM
> > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
> > Subject: A21p or T21p
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'm planning to buy a new laptop, probably either an A21p or T21p.
> > I want to do some digital video (DV) editing on the laptop,
> > and so I need a fast machine.  Does anyone have any thoughts
> > on which machine would be better?
> >
> > I noticed that the A21p has 16MB of SGRAM, and the T21p has
> > only 8MB.  Will this affect editing DV?
> >
> > Also, editing DV requires a minimum sustained throughput of 
> 3.6MB/sec,
> > and I was hoping that the 5400rpm 32GB drives would be able to
> > handle this.  I saw some specs at
> > http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/me.nsf/d1cd5924e7a2cfda8525668d006a1
> 781/dd3f855196
> c47495852569490016eac6/$FILE/ops6327f.pdf
> that claimed that these drives have a sustained throughput
> of 10.9 to 20.3 MB/sec, but I'm skeptical.
> Has anyone tried DV editing with these drives?
> 
> Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me with these issues.
> 
> Marvin
> 
> 

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The A21p has 16 MB of SGRAM, and the T21p has 8 MB.
So how much difference does video ram make, especially if
I want to do a little video (DV) editing?

Marvin


On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Bill Morrow wrote:

> without looking at the specs in my sales manual (difficult to navigate and
> not so up to date) and..
> all other things being equal, the video chipset is different..
> and the T series has less video ram than the A21p..
> 
> also the T21 1050x1400 is 14.1 while the A20p with 1050x1400 is 15"..
> the A21p is, obviously, 15 inch 1200x1600 and is a SUPER display..
> and further, the machine just sings..
> the only add on is, of course, max memory and maybe a CDRW..
> i tossed the combo card (sold it actually, to a desperate customer) since i
> use wireless LAN at home..
> 


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Yes, 2629-HWU

Cordially,  :-)
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----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 11:43 AM
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> Hello to all.
> 
> Does anybody kow where to get a A21P
> 
> model 2629HSU (850MHZ, 32gb, W98 and Intel Combo) ?
> 
> Is it in Stock anywhere ?
> 
> Thanks in advance, Harry
> 
> 
>  
> *****************************************************************
> Harry Teszler                      
>  
>      Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay.
> ***************************************************************** 
> 


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Subject: Re: A21p or T21p
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the only further comment is the T series is more portable than the A
series..
you must balance your needs.. and only the guy using it can do that..
further, this machine will be obsolete within 4 months..
and hopelessly obsolete within about a year to 15 months.. (my guess)
display's can't get much more dense or larger but cpu and battery life and
little add ins will..

Cordially,  :-)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marvin Nakayama" <marvin@homer.njit.edu>
To: "Stephen Hosmer" <hosmer@royl.com>
Cc: "Marvin Nakayama" <marvin@homer.njit.edu>; "Thinkpad"
<thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 12:56 PM
Subject: RE: A21p or T21p


> Lucky you!  I'm trying to find a store close to my home so that
> I can compare the two side by side, but I haven't found a store
> that carries them.  (I live in New York City.)  Datavision had
> some Thinkpad A21s and T21s, but not the specific models that
> I'm considering.  I want to see the A21 with the 1600x1200 screen
> since several people on this list complained about the resolution
> being too high.  Also, I'd like to see the T21 with 1400x1050 screen.
>
> Do you have any thoughts about the two screens (assuming that
> you have the right models)?  Also, do you have any idea how
> the graphics performance of the two compare?  I'd like to do
> a little bit of editing DV on my laptop, and so graphics
> performance may be important.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Marvin
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Stephen Hosmer wrote:
>
> > I have both a T21 and an A21 infront of me right now (don't ask, IBM
sent me
> > one of each).  I am trying to decide the same thing.  I like each for
> > different reasons.  The processors and performance is identical.  The
main
> > difference is the weight and the screen.
> >
> > The one defect that I have noticed on the T21, is that I loose the mouse
> > when I move the body of the machine.  I don't know if this is just this
unit
> > or if it is a characteristic of the model.  Does anyone know?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marvin Nakayama [mailto:marvin@homer.njit.edu]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 2:28 PM
> > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
> > Subject: A21p or T21p
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'm planning to buy a new laptop, probably either an A21p or T21p.
> > I want to do some digital video (DV) editing on the laptop,
> > and so I need a fast machine.  Does anyone have any thoughts
> > on which machine would be better?
> >
> > I noticed that the A21p has 16MB of SGRAM, and the T21p has
> > only 8MB.  Will this affect editing DV?
> >
> > Also, editing DV requires a minimum sustained throughput of 3.6MB/sec,
> > and I was hoping that the 5400rpm 32GB drives would be able to
> > handle this.  I saw some specs at
> >
http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/me.nsf/d1cd5924e7a2cfda8525668d006a1781/dd3f855196
> > c47495852569490016eac6/$FILE/ops6327f.pdf
> > that claimed that these drives have a sustained throughput
> > of 10.9 to 20.3 MB/sec, but I'm skeptical.
> > Has anyone tried DV editing with these drives?
> >
> > Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me with these issues.
> >
> > Marvin
> >
> >
>
>


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Subject: Re: A21p or T21p
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without looking at the specs in my sales manual (difficult to navigate and
not so up to date) and..
all other things being equal, the video chipset is different..
and the T series has less video ram than the A21p..

also the T21 1050x1400 is 14.1 while the A20p with 1050x1400 is 15"..
the A21p is, obviously, 15 inch 1200x1600 and is a SUPER display..
and further, the machine just sings..
the only add on is, of course, max memory and maybe a CDRW..
i tossed the combo card (sold it actually, to a desperate customer) since i
use wireless LAN at home..

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marvin Nakayama" <marvin@homer.njit.edu>
To: "Stephen Hosmer" <hosmer@royl.com>
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<thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
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Subject: RE: A21p or T21p


> Lucky you!  I'm trying to find a store close to my home so that
> I can compare the two side by side, but I haven't found a store
> that carries them.  (I live in New York City.)  Datavision had
> some Thinkpad A21s and T21s, but not the specific models that
> I'm considering.  I want to see the A21 with the 1600x1200 screen
> since several people on this list complained about the resolution
> being too high.  Also, I'd like to see the T21 with 1400x1050 screen.
>
> Do you have any thoughts about the two screens (assuming that
> you have the right models)?  Also, do you have any idea how
> the graphics performance of the two compare?  I'd like to do
> a little bit of editing DV on my laptop, and so graphics
> performance may be important.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Marvin
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Stephen Hosmer wrote:
>
> > I have both a T21 and an A21 infront of me right now (don't ask, IBM
sent me
> > one of each).  I am trying to decide the same thing.  I like each for
> > different reasons.  The processors and performance is identical.  The
main
> > difference is the weight and the screen.
> >
> > The one defect that I have noticed on the T21, is that I loose the mouse
> > when I move the body of the machine.  I don't know if this is just this
unit
> > or if it is a characteristic of the model.  Does anyone know?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marvin Nakayama [mailto:marvin@homer.njit.edu]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 2:28 PM
> > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
> > Subject: A21p or T21p
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'm planning to buy a new laptop, probably either an A21p or T21p.
> > I want to do some digital video (DV) editing on the laptop,
> > and so I need a fast machine.  Does anyone have any thoughts
> > on which machine would be better?
> >
> > I noticed that the A21p has 16MB of SGRAM, and the T21p has
> > only 8MB.  Will this affect editing DV?
> >
> > Also, editing DV requires a minimum sustained throughput of 3.6MB/sec,
> > and I was hoping that the 5400rpm 32GB drives would be able to
> > handle this.  I saw some specs at
> >
http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/me.nsf/d1cd5924e7a2cfda8525668d006a1781/dd3f855196
> > c47495852569490016eac6/$FILE/ops6327f.pdf
> > that claimed that these drives have a sustained throughput
> > of 10.9 to 20.3 MB/sec, but I'm skeptical.
> > Has anyone tried DV editing with these drives?
> >
> > Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me with these issues.
> >
> > Marvin
> >
> >
>
>


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From: Dominique Pivard <domi@kenavo.fi>
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I just received a ThinkPad 570 I bought on eBay. It came with an HP
Omnibook AC adapter, rated for an output of 19V-3.16A. Its connector
appears to be physically compatible with the ThinkPad. Is it safe to use
this AC adapter in connection with the TP570?

Thanks, Dominique


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 A year???
 Hopelessly obsolete?
 $4k 
 OUCH!

Neil
Thinkpad Aficionado with a21p,770ed(great machine!),600,701,Workpad and two
730s.

FWIW, the A21P is one cool notebook. The sharpness and brightness of the
1600x1200 display is stunning.  The problem is that there are so many web
sites optimized for 800x600 that half of  your display is blank on the A21P
at native resolution, regardless of font size.  Is it hard to read? Nope,
not even at "smallest" font size. 

YMMV 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Morrow
To: Marvin Nakayama; Stephen Hosmer
Cc: Marvin Nakayama; Thinkpad
Sent: 12/22/00 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: A21p or T21p

the only further comment is the T series is more portable than the A
series..
you must balance your needs.. and only the guy using it can do that..
further, this machine will be obsolete within 4 months..
and hopelessly obsolete within about a year to 15 months.. (my guess)
display's can't get much more dense or larger but cpu and battery life
and
little add ins will..

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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E-Mail: bill at thinkpads dot com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marvin Nakayama" <marvin@homer.njit.edu>
To: "Stephen Hosmer" <hosmer@royl.com>
Cc: "Marvin Nakayama" <marvin@homer.njit.edu>; "Thinkpad"
<thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 12:56 PM
Subject: RE: A21p or T21p


> Lucky you!  I'm trying to find a store close to my home so that
> I can compare the two side by side, but I haven't found a store
> that carries them.  (I live in New York City.)  Datavision had
> some Thinkpad A21s and T21s, but not the specific models that
> I'm considering.  I want to see the A21 with the 1600x1200 screen
> since several people on this list complained about the resolution
> being too high.  Also, I'd like to see the T21 with 1400x1050 screen.
>
> Do you have any thoughts about the two screens (assuming that
> you have the right models)?  Also, do you have any idea how
> the graphics performance of the two compare?  I'd like to do
> a little bit of editing DV on my laptop, and so graphics
> performance may be important.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Marvin
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Stephen Hosmer wrote:
>
> > I have both a T21 and an A21 infront of me right now (don't ask, IBM
sent me
> > one of each).  I am trying to decide the same thing.  I like each
for
> > different reasons.  The processors and performance is identical.
The
main
> > difference is the weight and the screen.
> >
> > The one defect that I have noticed on the T21, is that I loose the
mouse
> > when I move the body of the machine.  I don't know if this is just
this
unit
> > or if it is a characteristic of the model.  Does anyone know?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Marvin Nakayama [mailto:marvin@homer.njit.edu]
> > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2000 2:28 PM
> > To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
> > Subject: A21p or T21p
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'm planning to buy a new laptop, probably either an A21p or T21p.
> > I want to do some digital video (DV) editing on the laptop,
> > and so I need a fast machine.  Does anyone have any thoughts
> > on which machine would be better?
> >
> > I noticed that the A21p has 16MB of SGRAM, and the T21p has
> > only 8MB.  Will this affect editing DV?
> >
> > Also, editing DV requires a minimum sustained throughput of
3.6MB/sec,
> > and I was hoping that the 5400rpm 32GB drives would be able to
> > handle this.  I saw some specs at
> >
http://www5.pc.ibm.com/us/me.nsf/d1cd5924e7a2cfda8525668d006a1781/dd3f85
5196
> > c47495852569490016eac6/$FILE/ops6327f.pdf
> > that claimed that these drives have a sustained throughput
> > of 10.9 to 20.3 MB/sec, but I'm skeptical.
> > Has anyone tried DV editing with these drives?
> >
> > Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me with these issues.
> >
> > Marvin
> >
> >
>
>


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I have a nifty Jewish calendar program (runs in DOS); send me a 
private e-mail if you want it.  It calculates important dates from
creation to eternity.  No Y2K problem!

Jeffrey Race


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From: jberry@islandnet.com (Jonathan Berry)
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Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 15:05:27 -0800
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You can sometimes make the pointer on a 701 move by touching 
the under left side of the of the butterfly keyboard, or by 
gently picking it up by the keyboard (not recommended).  This 
is with the trackpoint enabled.

If a laptop is obsolete in 4 months, this baby has been 
obsolete for about 17 generations.

An A21 user had trouble with web sites that are set up for 
800x600.  So do I, but for the opposite reason!  Of course, 
properly-coded HTML fits your screen, whatever its resolution,
like a glove. 

In article <DOEHIEIOLCGKBMAKDHOCMELBCAAA.hosmer@royl.com>,
"Stephen Hosmer" <hosmer@royl.com> wrote:
>If I flex the main unit (i.e. the body where the keyboard is) the mouse
>either goes wild with erratic movement or random key clicks.
>

-- 
cheers
Jonathan Berry
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I'm currently using a non-IBM laptop (sorry) that runs a 266 MHz Pentium
MMX (not Pentium II) with 128 MB RAM.  While this is technologically
obsolete by at least a couple generations, for me and for what I use it
for, it's not at all obsolete.  My feeling is that something is only
obsolete if it no longer functions adequately for your uses.
Admittedly, however, I would certainly feel different if this were my
only computer...

Dave


> -----Original Message-----
> [snip]
> If a laptop is obsolete in 4 months, this baby has been
> obsolete for about 17 generations.
> [snip]


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Thanks Bill, but I want the HSU modell.

Regards.

*****************************************************************
Harry Teszler                      
 
     Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay.
***************************************************************** 

> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Bill Morrow [mailto:penzance@gate.net]
> Enviado el: viernes 22 de diciembre de 2000 16:19
> Para: Harry Teszler; Thinkpad List
> Asunto: Re: A21p's available where (2629HSU INtel Combo)
> 
> 
> Yes, 2629-HWU
> 
> Cordially,  :-)
> Bill Morrow
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> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 11:43 AM
> Subject: A21p's available where (2629HSU INtel Combo)
> 
> 
> > Hello to all.
> > 
> > Does anybody kow where to get a A21P
> > 
> > model 2629HSU (850MHZ, 32gb, W98 and Intel Combo) ?
> > 
> > Is it in Stock anywhere ?
> > 
> > Thanks in advance, Harry
> > 
> > 
> >  
> > *****************************************************************
> > Harry Teszler                      
> >  
> >      Regards from Montevideo, Uruguay.
> > ***************************************************************** 
> > 
> 

From cph  Sat Dec 23 01:21:50 2000
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Gentlemen..

obsolete does NOT = useless..
as the 701 so aptly proves..
the A20p was "obsolete" when the A21p started shipping..
yet the display on the A20p is preferable over the A21p display to some..

deb (the user with the 800x600 need) just did not like the high density
display..
i had a customer who felt the same with his 770Z..
i got him the 14.1 display 770Z and $$ for renting his machine for a month..
(alls well that ends well)

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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----- Original Message -----
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> I'm currently using a non-IBM laptop (sorry) that runs a 266 MHz Pentium
> MMX (not Pentium II) with 128 MB RAM.  While this is technologically
> obsolete by at least a couple generations, for me and for what I use it
> for, it's not at all obsolete.  My feeling is that something is only
> obsolete if it no longer functions adequately for your uses.
> Admittedly, however, I would certainly feel different if this were my
> only computer...
>
> Dave
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > [snip]
> > If a laptop is obsolete in 4 months, this baby has been
> > obsolete for about 17 generations.
> > [snip]
>
>


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i think it could overheat the charge circuit..

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dominique Pivard" <domi@kenavo.fi>
To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 4:05 PM
Subject: HP AC adapter (19V-3.16A) with TP570?


> I just received a ThinkPad 570 I bought on eBay. It came with an HP
> Omnibook AC adapter, rated for an output of 19V-3.16A. Its connector
> appears to be physically compatible with the ThinkPad. Is it safe to use
> this AC adapter in connection with the TP570?
> 
> Thanks, Dominique
> 
> 


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	A few days ago, I was looking through industry computer magazines
and there was an 2 page ad from a company that was advertising the
Sofpoint replacement Trackpoint caps for all notebook computers equipped
with pointing sticks.  Their URL is: http://www.sofpoint.com/

They claim the following:

Soft - eliminates finger fatigue cause by old fashioned hard caps
Accurate - greater cursor control with 25% less pressure
Effortless - 75% larger, more accessible non-slip surface

	I wonder if they are any good since it costs $5 each and the only
thing they sell is this product and it's supposed to be in retail stores
as of end of November 2000.



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Is it possible to get a cable of some kind to convert the Svideo TV out on a
Thinkpad T20 to and RCA type connector.  A lot of older TVs and VCRs don't
have SVideo inputs.


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On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 12:39:25 +0000, John Poltorak wrote:

>Does this one actually announce itself as v5.0 ?
>A previous release displayed v3.0 even though it was supposed to
>v4.x - very confusing.
>Guess I'll grab a copy anyway and see if it makes a difference...

IBM is a bit confusing about this, i asked them myself and they said
not to worry, its just the version number of the PM interface which
says v3.0.

If you actually install v5.0 then do a bldlevel on pcmcia.sys then you'll
get this:
Signature:       @#IBM:10.037#@ IBM OS/2 PCCard Card Services Device Driver. 
Version 1.55
Vendor:          IBM
Revision:        10.37
File Version:    10.37
Description:     IBM OS/2 PCCard Card Services Device Driver. Version 1.55

and on ibm2ss14.sys:
Signature:       @#IBM:10.043#@ PCCard IBM2SS14 Chip Driver for OS/2
Vendor:          IBM
Revision:        10.43
File Version:    10.43
Description:     PCCard IBM2SS14 Chip Driver for OS/2

Try a bldlevel on your current files and see if they are older or not.

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þ ServerConfig þ ConfigEdit þ OS/2 UK UG þ
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From: Dominique Pivard <domi@kenavo.fi>
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The TP570 I just bought exhibits the following problem: it won't
recognised an external floppy drive attached directly to the base unit;
however, if I dock it onto its Ultrabase, place the whole thing onto my
TP560 port replicator and connect the external floppy drive to the port
replicator, the floppy will be recognised.

Before anyone else asks, yes, "removable devices" / "legacy floppy drives"
is listed (as the first entry) in the BIOS startup sequence.

Now the machine's BIOS is the original 1.0 version, which I would like to
upgrade to the latest 1.14 (imet62ww) version. The readme file on the BIOS
update disk specifically states that "if your system is attached to an
expansion unit, please detach the system unit from the expansion init
prior to running".

Well, the system _is_ attached to the Ultrabase and port replicator, since
it's the only way I can access the floppy drive. So my question is: can I
flash the BIOS from the floppy attached to the port replicator, despite
what the readme file says?

If it's a definite no-no, what options do I have to flash the BIOS? I did
notice an option allowing me to enable/disable BIOS flashing over the
network. I have no experience of doing this. Can this be done over any
Ethernet-based LAN, what kind of "server" software do I need to do this?
Any pointers?

Thanks, Dominique


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Hi, All!  Is there some way I can install the IntelliMouse drivers
without messing up the trackpoint?  I would like to be able to use my
small scrolling mouse at times, but the options on the mouse software
that came installed on my T20 are very limited and don't include
scroll-wheel settings.  I have time enough to install other drivers,
but not time enough to clean up any nightmare I might create.  I'm
hoping someone has already done this and can just point me (sorry!) in
the right direction.  Thanks!

  --  Erich


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Can the 770ED (9549-5AU) and 600 (2645-41U) use the PC100 SO-DIMMs of
the later models like the 600X rather than the PC66? Any problems with
this approach?

Thanks to all and to all a good Xmas/New Year.

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Hello,



Saturday, December 23, 2000, 8:45:40 PM, you wrote:
AH> Can the 770ED (9549-5AU)
this uses 144 pin EDO so-dimm if I'm not mistaken. So it can't use
PC100 sdram...

AH>  and 600 (2645-41U) use the PC100 SO-DIMMs of  the later models
AH> like the 600X rather than the PC66? Any problems with  this
AH> approach?
600, 600e can use pc100 sdram (it will work on 66mhz bus) so I don't
see any problems.

AH> Thanks to all and to all a good Xmas/New Year.



-- 
 Sashka



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On Fri, 22 Dec 2000 09:45:31 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote:

>Sashka [mailto:list@tryam.com] wrote:
>
>> Yes, works perfect. Win2k, Win2kSP1 and Whistler beta1 works perfect.
>> but I'm not using this crappy Mediamtic DVD Express...
>
>Works right out of the box under W2K Paul. But don't use the DVDExpress until
>you've upgraded to the newest release:
>http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4GV37K.html which, at 16MB, is a good
>reason to wait for your DSL line to be installed. Use the MS DVD player in W2K
>(\system32\dvdplay.exe) until you can upgrade.

Wow, cool  - I didn't know Microsoft *had* it's own DVD player.
And too late, I already downloaded the upgrade file @ 16MB... =)
>
>Sashka, the new DVDExpress is _much_ better than the old release. Cures the low
>volume problem also. Give it a try.

What else sucks about DVD Express?



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the 770E series is a bit tricky when it comes to memory..
but its worth a try..
the 600 sure can..
in fact, its all i have been selling recently..

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A Hsieh" <ahsieh@ou.edu>
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> Can the 770ED (9549-5AU) and 600 (2645-41U) use the PC100 SO-DIMMs of
> the later models like the 600X rather than the PC66? Any problems with
> this approach?
> 
> Thanks to all and to all a good Xmas/New Year.
> 


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Subject: Re: A21p or T21p
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color depth for one thing..

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marvin Nakayama" <marvin@homer.njit.edu>
To: "Bill Morrow" <penzance@gate.net>
Cc: "Marvin Nakayama" <marvin@homer.njit.edu>; "Stephen Hosmer"
<hosmer@royl.com>; "Thinkpad" <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Friday, December 22, 2000 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: A21p or T21p


> The A21p has 16 MB of SGRAM, and the T21p has 8 MB.
> So how much difference does video ram make, especially if
> I want to do a little video (DV) editing?
>
> Marvin
>
>
> On Fri, 22 Dec 2000, Bill Morrow wrote:
>
> > without looking at the specs in my sales manual (difficult to navigate
and
> > not so up to date) and..
> > all other things being equal, the video chipset is different..
> > and the T series has less video ram than the A21p..
> >
> > also the T21 1050x1400 is 14.1 while the A20p with 1050x1400 is 15"..
> > the A21p is, obviously, 15 inch 1200x1600 and is a SUPER display..
> > and further, the machine just sings..
> > the only add on is, of course, max memory and maybe a CDRW..
> > i tossed the combo card (sold it actually, to a desperate customer)
since i
> > use wireless LAN at home..
> >
>
>


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From: Dominique Pivard <domi@kenavo.fi>
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 12:55:04 +0200
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On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 at 10:04 PM you, Dominique Pivard <domi@kenavo.fi>,
said:

>Well, the system _is_ attached to the Ultrabase and port replicator,
>since it's the only way I can access the floppy drive. So my question is:
>can I flash the BIOS from the floppy attached to the port replicator,
>despite what the readme file says?

Following up on my own question, I did take the risk and flashed the BIOS
from a floppy drive attached to the port replicator, with the TP570 docked
on its Ultrabase. Well, it worked and I'm now at imet62ww, the latest
version.

>If it's a definite no-no, what options do I have to flash the BIOS? I did
>notice an option allowing me to enable/disable BIOS flashing over the
>network. I have no experience of doing this. Can this be done over any
>Ethernet-based LAN, what kind of "server" software do I need to do this?
>Any pointers?

I did some research on that. It appears the software you need is IBM LCCM
(LANCLient Control Manager), which is a 19 MB download
(http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/desktop/lccm/download.html) with a 244-page
assorted PDF manual (http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/desktop/lccm/docs.html).
Looks like you can do some pretty cool things with it, but it's probably
designed primarily for large shops that need to manage big fleets of
clients (Thinkpads and others).

Is anyone using LCCM to automate installs, flash BIOS etc of their
ThinkPads?

-Dominique

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Hi all,

I need a system board or stripped 755CD/CDV.  My present one took a tumble
and appears to have broken the internal connections to the on-board memory.
I successfully located a brand new screen and replaced the cracked unit but
booting the machine is very inconsistent.  The alternative is to sell the
unit as-is if there are any interested parties.  Either way, let me know.

Mike Lingenfelter
Network Administrator/
Technology  Coordinator
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Thanks for the info.  Does it make any other difference in
terms of performance?

Marvin


On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, Bill Morrow wrote:

> color depth for one thing..
> 
> > The A21p has 16 MB of SGRAM, and the T21p has 8 MB.
> > So how much difference does video ram make, especially if
> > I want to do a little video (DV) editing?
> >
> > Marvin


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i would think that a faster video chipset would mean a faster overall
machine..
but pushing a lot of bits (16M of them) might slow things down..
on my desktype boxes, i usually select a 24bit color depth over a 32bit
color depth to speed things up a bit..
in short, to answer your question, i don't know for sure..  :-)
besides its christmas eve, i'm tired because my body wants to take a nap and
my mind has deserted me and is going along with the body..
the birds are cackling like a trove of geese all laying eggs..
the wife is messing with the big TV and all i hear is cackling and white
noise..
so who can come up with a coherent thought..  ?  :-)

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow (more or less)
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----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: A21p or T21p


> Thanks for the info.  Does it make any other difference in
> terms of performance?
>
> Marvin
>
>
> On Sun, 24 Dec 2000, Bill Morrow wrote:
>
> > color depth for one thing..
> >
> > > The A21p has 16 MB of SGRAM, and the T21p has 8 MB.
> > > So how much difference does video ram make, especially if
> > > I want to do a little video (DV) editing?
> > >
> > > Marvin
>
>


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Hi All,

I know this is off topic but I thought that many of you would have good
answers. I am in the market for an External Cd-Rw drive, and I would like
to know what some of the best ones are. I need one that is built to last,
and one that does not need a "special" program made only for that model
drive to be used. I want to be able to use it like any other drive attached
to the computer, rater than having to use a special program to transfer
files like some tape backups use.

Thanks


--
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Sounds like a SCSI drive in an external case with an
Adaptec PCMCIA card would meet your needs. They are
starting to get more inexpensive now and are faster
than most other kinds. (You never said it had to be
small and compact!)

--- Computer Guru <pctech@southeast.net> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I know this is off topic but I thought that many of
> you would have good
> answers. I am in the market for an External Cd-Rw
> drive, and I would like
> to know what some of the best ones are. I need one
> that is built to last,
> and one that does not need a "special" program made
> only for that model
> drive to be used. I want to be able to use it like
> any other drive attached
> to the computer, rater than having to use a special
> program to transfer
> files like some tape backups use.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> --
> Regards,
> Computer-Guru
> pctech@southeast.net
> -------------------------------------


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I have a Panasonic KXL-RW10A (4/4/20) that I've been very happy with.
Package includes a SCSI PC Card and Adaptec CD software. Only downside is
that it requires an external AC adapter (don't think you'll find an external
that doesn't require on, let us know if you do).

Forgot what I payed but do a MySimon search (www.mysimon.com), you should
see a good number of places to purchase from...

Jeff
----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Off Topic: Good External Cd-Rw


> Hi All,
>
> I know this is off topic but I thought that many of you would have good
> answers. I am in the market for an External Cd-Rw drive, and I would like
> to know what some of the best ones are. I need one that is built to last,
> and one that does not need a "special" program made only for that model
> drive to be used. I want to be able to use it like any other drive
attached
> to the computer, rater than having to use a special program to transfer
> files like some tape backups use.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> --
> Regards,
> Computer-Guru
> pctech@southeast.net
> -------------------------------------
>


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From: Marvin Nakayama <marvin@homer.njit.edu>
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That's the set-up I have.  I've had a Plextor 8220 CD-RW
external SCSI unit with an Adaptec 1480A CardBus card
for about year now, and I like it.  I would definitely 
say it's not portable.

Marvin


On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Steve C. wrote:

> Sounds like a SCSI drive in an external case with an
> Adaptec PCMCIA card would meet your needs. They are
> starting to get more inexpensive now and are faster
> than most other kinds. (You never said it had to be
> small and compact!)
> 
> --- Computer Guru <pctech@southeast.net> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > I know this is off topic but I thought that many of
> > you would have good
> > answers. I am in the market for an External Cd-Rw
> > drive, and I would like
> > to know what some of the best ones are. I need one
> > that is built to last,
> > and one that does not need a "special" program made
> > only for that model
> > drive to be used. I want to be able to use it like
> > any other drive attached
> > to the computer, rater than having to use a special
> > program to transfer
> > files like some tape backups use.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Computer-Guru
> > pctech@southeast.net
> > -------------------------------------
> 
> 
> =====
> Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! That is, when it's not DOWN! My old phone modem was faster!
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.
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> 


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exp seems to make a small and portable pcmcia based CDRW..
check www.expnet.com..
i have one of their CD's i'm testing on the 701..
it comes with DOS drivers i think so thats why its good on a 701..

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marvin Nakayama" <marvin@homer.njit.edu>
To: "Steve C." <stevec50@yahoo.com>
Cc: "Computer Guru" <pctech@southeast.net>; <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: Off Topic: Good External Cd-Rw


> That's the set-up I have.  I've had a Plextor 8220 CD-RW
> external SCSI unit with an Adaptec 1480A CardBus card
> for about year now, and I like it.  I would definitely
> say it's not portable.
>
> Marvin
>
>
> On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Steve C. wrote:
>
> > Sounds like a SCSI drive in an external case with an
> > Adaptec PCMCIA card would meet your needs. They are
> > starting to get more inexpensive now and are faster
> > than most other kinds. (You never said it had to be
> > small and compact!)
> >
> > --- Computer Guru <pctech@southeast.net> wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I know this is off topic but I thought that many of
> > > you would have good
> > > answers. I am in the market for an External Cd-Rw
> > > drive, and I would like
> > > to know what some of the best ones are. I need one
> > > that is built to last,
> > > and one that does not need a "special" program made
> > > only for that model
> > > drive to be used. I want to be able to use it like
> > > any other drive attached
> > > to the computer, rater than having to use a special
> > > program to transfer
> > > files like some tape backups use.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Computer-Guru
> > > pctech@southeast.net
> > > -------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband!
That is, when it's not DOWN! My old phone modem was faster!
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.
> > http://shopping.yahoo.com/
> >
>
>


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Hi,

Thanks for the messages everyone. How about USB cdrw drives? Are the ones
made by MicroSolutions any good?

Thanks again!!

--
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Computer-Guru
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> From: Steve C. <stevec50@yahoo.com>
> To: Computer Guru <pctech@southeast.net>
> Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
> Subject: Re: Off Topic: Good External Cd-Rw
> Date: Monday, December 25, 2000 10:43 AM
> 
> Sounds like a SCSI drive in an external case with an
> Adaptec PCMCIA card would meet your needs. They are
> starting to get more inexpensive now and are faster
> than most other kinds. (You never said it had to be
> small and compact!)
> 
> --- Computer Guru <pctech@southeast.net> wrote:
> > Hi All,
> > 
> > I know this is off topic but I thought that many of
> > you would have good
> > answers. I am in the market for an External Cd-Rw
> > drive, and I would like
> > to know what some of the best ones are. I need one
> > that is built to last,
> > and one that does not need a "special" program made
> > only for that model
> > drive to be used. I want to be able to use it like
> > any other drive attached
> > to the computer, rater than having to use a special
> > program to transfer
> > files like some tape backups use.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Computer-Guru
> > pctech@southeast.net
> > -------------------------------------
> 
> 
> =====
> Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband!
That is, when it's not DOWN! My old phone modem was faster!
> 
> __________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products.
> http://shopping.yahoo.com/

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At 03:47 PM 12/25/2000 -0500, Computer Guru wrote:

>Thanks for the messages everyone. How about USB cdrw drives? Are the ones
>made by MicroSolutions any good?
>

Yes, I like them.  Dead easy to set up.

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Tony Rice wrote:
> 
> Is it possible to get a cable of some kind to convert the Svideo TV out on a
> Thinkpad T20 to and RCA type connector.  A lot of older TVs and VCRs don't
> have SVideo inputs.

I recall reading somewhere that there's a cable to convert between S-Video
and RCA ... ah yes, a search of IBM's web site yielded part 27L0530
Thinkpad RCA video cable.

Unfortunately I wasn't able to locate a page with a price.  I'd guess somewhere
between $10-$30.

..Don Markuson
  dmm@world.std.com

From cph  Tue Dec 26 00:09:36 2000
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Hard to go wrong with SCSI. I use an old Yamaha 4260 external on my T20
with an Adaptec 1480 cardbus adapter. I can burn at 4X and do anything
else I want with no concern to buffer underuns (yes, even games!).

As to avoiding a 'special program,' sounds like you want packet writing
software such as Direct CD. Personally I avoid Direct CD like the plague,
but you might find it suits your needs.

On Mon, 25 Dec 2000, Computer Guru wrote:
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> and one that does not need a "special" program made only for that model
> drive to be used. I want to be able to use it like any other drive attached
> to the computer, rater than having to use a special program to transfer

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If you are wanting the use of the external Intellimouse, (I'm out on
a limb here) you only want to install the Intellimouse software *not*
the drivers as they will or may conflict with the trackpoint. This is
pointed out either in the Intellimouse "readme" file on the
intellimouse installation disk, or I saw it within the IBM support
sight.

As I write, it's starting to come back to me. I read this within the
Microsoft Knowledge Base, I forget the article number. The issue was
installing the Intellimouse on Windows 98. Whereby you don't need the
drivers from the intellimouse installation as they will or may
confilict with those already built into 98 ( I would venture to say
this may include ME as well).

I can't remember precisly, but I think I installed from the
Intellimouse software "setup32.exe" not "setup.exe". I think this may
have only installed the software, and not the drivers. I may stand
corrected, but the Trackpoint applications senses if an external
mouse is attached and disables itself thus allowing use of *only* the
external mouse for the duration it is attached. Once the external
mouse is removed, the Trackpoint returns.

check around with some of the others, there's a wealth of information
associated with this list.

Merry . . . uh, Happy Holidays :)

dave


----- Original Message -----
From: "Erich Knobil" <eknobil@megsinet.net>
To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 5:26 PM
Subject: IntelliMouse drivers?


> Hi, All!  Is there some way I can install the IntelliMouse drivers
> without messing up the trackpoint?  I would like to be able to use
my
> small scrolling mouse at times, but the options on the mouse
software
> that came installed on my T20 are very limited and don't include
> scroll-wheel settings.  I have time enough to install other
drivers,
> but not time enough to clean up any nightmare I might create.  I'm
> hoping someone has already done this and can just point me (sorry!)
in
> the right direction.  Thanks!
>
>   --  Erich
>


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I have an EXP PCMCIA CD-ROM and use it with a 701 under Win95.
Works fine.  Takes its power from the PCMCIA card.
Does not give an impression of extreme solidity (lots of light 
plastic), but TANSTAAFL.


In article <000e01c06eb0$0bc7b230$9640fea9@vonbraunw>,
"Bill Morrow" <penzance@gate.net> wrote:
>exp seems to make a small and portable pcmcia based CDRW..
>check www.expnet.com..
>i have one of their CD's i'm testing on the 701..
>it comes with DOS drivers i think so thats why its good on a 701..
>

-- 
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Re: SCSI - Hrm...it's great aside from the price & the fact that SCSI is getting harder & harder
to find...with USB & Firewire lined up to take the helm.

 What's wrong with USB? I love it, it's magic..true plug & play. Easy to dock & undock with all 
my USB devices in the hub, hub plugged into the TP's port. Not to mention the fact that everyone 
may not have an extra PCMCIA slot. If your TP came with USB, why not take advantage of it?
 
There's even just those USB-IDE drivebays out there that you can just put in whatever
device turns you on..HD, Zip, CD, etc., and swap things around at will.
 
I don't do the CD burning with my laptop, but I have been nothing but thrilled with the
USB Zip250 I picked up a few months ago. It's very slick & very portable. I don't really
notice a problem with speed. And since it's CDR's we're talking about, it's not like burning a disc
is ever a speedy operation.
 
And I'm not even going to touch on the aesthetics of your average USB device..at least
some of Apple's style has rubbed off on the PC market. 
 
Anyhow...my 2 cents.. SCSI's cool, but it's becoming an expensive, uphill battle.
 
 
Happy Holidays,
-Chris



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 Greetings,

My usually reliable Thinkpad is giving me a bootup error: "06 301".  It
seems to work ok in both win 98 and win2k (dual boot), but it's not booting
successfully when attached to the Selectadock.  I ran the diagnostic tests
in the BIOS and all came up "ok".

Any thoughts?


TIA

Neil

Thinkpad 600 2645-51U
228mB

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SCSI expensive? Not at the computer swapmeet. Lots of
cheap ones there. Isn't USB way slow for burning CD's?

--- "C. Deforrest Smith" <csmith@latexnet.org> wrote:
> Re: SCSI - Hrm...it's great aside from the price &
> the fact that SCSI is getting harder & harder
> to find...with USB & Firewire lined up to take the
> helm.
> Anyhow...my 2 cents.. SCSI's cool, but it's becoming
> an expensive, uphill battle.


=====
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Hi all, I have a question on price.

I am in Hong Kong at the moment and I am looking to upgrade my old P90 760CD
thinkpad.   I could either buy a second hand Aptiva 336MHZ model with 6Gig
Hard drive & 64 Meg ram (13.1 TFT), Modem & Software (still under warranty)

for HK 8000 (around $1034 US) or buy an unknown brand of Laptop (called
FOSA) with 13.1 TFT, 6Gig Hard Drive - 8 Meg Video Ram 64Meg ram & Inbuilt
modem.

The unknown brand is smallish and quite light.

Any other options worth considering?

Cheers,
J

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> for HK 8000 (around $1034 US) or buy an unknown brand of Laptop (called
> FOSA) with 13.1 TFT, 6Gig Hard Drive - 8 Meg Video Ram 64Meg ram & Inbuilt
> modem.

FWIW, I think FOSA is the same laptop as Dell - check deja.com on the laptop
newsgroup, where
it has been discussed on occasion.

- David R.


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It might be the "same" on the outside, but do be very wary of it being anything
close to the quality of Dell.

I have seen manufacturers make noname clone types of laptops, which have
had brand labels, sold here in the US, and another less well built version of
it sold in Asia.  A friend who buys things for his company found a WinBook
or something like that along with the 'generic' version.  While they looked 
very
similar at the beginning, closer investigation revealed many 
differences--including
the number of screws holding things down!

So, this FOSA might be reasonable--but remember that there are a lot of clone
like things out there.  A laptop is really a lot harder to build than a 
desktop: it
costs more money to do it right, so that makes them especially tempting 
targets
for cost cutters...

--STeve Andre'

At 04:03 PM 12/26/00 -1000, David Ross wrote:
> > for HK 8000 (around $1034 US) or buy an unknown brand of Laptop (called
> > FOSA) with 13.1 TFT, 6Gig Hard Drive - 8 Meg Video Ram 64Meg ram & Inbuilt
> > modem.
>
>FWIW, I think FOSA is the same laptop as Dell - check deja.com on the laptop
>newsgroup, where
>it has been discussed on occasion.
>
>- David R.


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Hello,

  Does anyone need LS-120 (superdisk) drive for thinkpad 600/e/x?
  I have one for sale..

-- 
 Sashka



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Hello all, I am new to this list. I am a 21 year old Computer Engineering 
Student residing in Melbourne, Australia.

I was recently given the laptop by a friend because the password on it was 
prohibiting any use of the computer - as such it was of no use to her. After 
trawling many sites and searching this list (and emailing directly to one 
subscriber) I have determined that it is a Supervisor Password which has been 
set on the computer. I have tried the technique outlined in the hardware manual 
for the Power-On password (removing the backup battery and powerpack for 20 
minutes) which failed, so it must be the Supervisor Password.

I have visited two sites:
http://www.nortek.on.ca/nortek/hdd_pw.html#Power
http://homestead.deja.com/user.alfair/
which say they can remove the password for a price. 

Does anyone else know the techniques in which they employ to do this? It would  
be greatly appreciated as I am a student and cannot afford the cost - the laptop 
would certainly help out my Uni studies.

Secondly, I cannot open the laptop to get inside at 'the guts'. I have removed 
EVERY! screw but to no avail. The keyboard half lifts off in the top right hand 
corner, but thats it.. any help here would also be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Clint


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I'm new to this list and new to a ThinkPad 760XL I bought several weeks
ago.

When using the TrackPoint stick after an hour or so, the cursor drifts on
its own to one of the screen edges.  What is happening here and what is
the cure??

Thanks,

Tomh


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My experience has been positive with www.nortek.on.ca.  I have not
found anyone else that can do it reliably.  

Shipping by ground from Australia will cost time more than money, but
I don't know of a way you can do it without paying for some expert
help.

Ray Bayles

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I don't know how the supervisor password is removed.

As far as disassembling the machine, go to ibm.com/support and
get your model's Hardware Maintenance Manual. It will have complete
instructions for replacing every part of the machine.

Good luck,
Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: <finnigan@ihug.com.au>
To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 6:34 AM
Subject: [TP390E] Supervisor Password


> Hello all, I am new to this list. I am a 21 year old Computer
Engineering
> Student residing in Melbourne, Australia.
>
> I was recently given the laptop by a friend because the password on it
was
> prohibiting any use of the computer - as such it was of no use to her.
After
> trawling many sites and searching this list (and emailing directly to
one
> subscriber) I have determined that it is a Supervisor Password which has
been
> set on the computer. I have tried the technique outlined in the hardware
manual
> for the Power-On password (removing the backup battery and powerpack for
20
> minutes) which failed, so it must be the Supervisor Password.
>
> I have visited two sites:
> http://www.nortek.on.ca/nortek/hdd_pw.html#Power
> http://homestead.deja.com/user.alfair/
> which say they can remove the password for a price.
>
> Does anyone else know the techniques in which they employ to do this? It
would
> be greatly appreciated as I am a student and cannot afford the cost -
the laptop
> would certainly help out my Uni studies.
>
> Secondly, I cannot open the laptop to get inside at 'the guts'. I have
removed
> EVERY! screw but to no avail. The keyboard half lifts off in the top
right hand
> corner, but thats it.. any help here would also be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Clint
>
>


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Thanks for all who helped with tips on this!  I used the IntelliPoint CD (version 3.2),
and the install did all the right things without me having to do anything tricky.  Both
scroll mouse and trackpoint work at the same time with no problems.  Sorry I worried for
nothing, but I've seen the simplest things mess up a laptop before.  I guess that doesn't
happen with ThinkPads.  8-)

In case it helps someone else, I'm running Win98 SE on a T20, with the scroll mouse
plugged into the USB port.

  --  Erich


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I bet your letting your finger rest on the trackpoint. The heat transfer
from your finger causes the trackpoint to go into "autocalibrate mode". The
cure for this is to not keep your finger on the pointer. The following is
from ThinkPad Support:

"The TrackPoint III does automatic compensations to adjust the pointer
sensor. During this process, the pointer moves on the screen automatically
for a short time. This self-acting pointer movement can occur when a slight,
steady pressure is applied to the TrackPoint III pointer while the computer
is powered on or while the system is running, or when re-adjustment is
required because the temperature has exceeded its normal temperature range.
This symptom does not indicate a hardware problem. No service actions are
necessary if the pointer movement stops in a short period of time. (Remove
your finger from the pointer to allow it to finish calibrating.)"

Also be sure you have the latest video and TrackPoint drivers installed. Go
to

http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html

which is the Think Pad device driver matrix. Check your version numbers for
video and TrackPoint drivers.


----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 9:46 AM
Subject: TrackPoint problem


> I'm new to this list and new to a ThinkPad 760XL I bought several weeks
> ago.
>
> When using the TrackPoint stick after an hour or so, the cursor drifts on
> its own to one of the screen edges.  What is happening here and what is
> the cure??
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tomh
>
>


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We are suddenly having some trouble with the latest IBM V 3 and
ATT V 3 dialers. If any of you have old IBM (V 2) dialers still
in  your archives, please e-mail me the file.  It was downloadable
and as I recall became SETUP.EXE which one ran to install it.
My archive copy is in Bangkok but I am here in Boston for the
holidays.

I have verified that V 2.4 of the IBM dialer still works in one
group of machines while V 3 dialers suddenly fail.  So V 2.4
or perhaps other antique dialers are welcome.

Thanks to all.

Jeffrey Race


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Can anyone here recommend some good DVD software?  It appears my mediamatics
disc is defective (I couldn't install it under Win2K to see what it looks like, or on Win98
with a DVD drive).  I checked out WinDVD from Intervideo.com, which was pretty good, but
was only software based on my 400MHz box.  I'd like something to take advantage
of the hardware decoding (I should have my 'pad next week).

Anyone have any suggestions?  If I have to buy software, I will (as long as
it's worth the money).

Thanks all, and I hope everyone had a good holiday.

Paul



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Hi--just joined the list.  Husband is currently using a 600C, and we
also have an 820 and a docked 700C.  I am in the process of setting up
the latest addition, a 765XL and SelectadockII.  Re: the questions in
this post, I have already scoured the ThinkPad site, the user manual,
and the tech reference...found some answers, but not all.  We are both
IS pros.

Since I bought the XL used, I'm not up to speed on the whims of audio on
this machine.  I updated the drivers/audio package, but am puzzled as to
why it can (undocked) play wav and mp3 files but not midi.  

Q1. Is there anything I can try to remedy this?  

In the dock, it has no sound whatsoever.  I understand it will use the
computer's speakers if docked hot, but I just got a new battery and
haven't had a chance to try that yet.  I would like to use the dock's
speakers, if possible.

Q2. What, if anything, can I try to use the dock's speakers?

I have an IDE CD-R I want to install in the dock and understand this
will require an adaptor.  The prices I've found online are around $20.

Q3.  Any recommendations or warnings about the adaptor and price, before
I order one?  

On the 820, we have two HD's.  On one, we installed AIX (I forget
exactly which, but it's v.4.2.x).  On the other is NT Workstation 3.51. 
I would really like to hear from anyone who has a lot of experience with
the Win side of this config, as we have searched high and low for
software that will run correctly on it and have found very little.  Most
everything generates runtime errors because of the incompatible
instruction set.  In fact, to date, we've found it works with an older
CompuServe WinCIM, so we can at least use it for e-mail.  We can also
play CD's on it. <g>  Finally, it's great for various CD video.  I've
never found a Web browser to work on it.  This old guy is near and dear
to my heart because the AIX side is very useful in my work.  It would be
nice to set it up so I only have to take one computer on remote jobs. 
Allegedly, Office was going to come out in a version to suit, but this
never came to pass, and they dropped NT for this model at 3.51. 
Although there is a PPC version for 4.0, I'd hate to trash my working
configuration only to learn that the 4.0 doesn't work.  Software at the
time of purchase was all special order, and Office was ordered then, but
MS didn't come through.

Q4.  Are you aware of any useful Windows apps that will *definitely* on
the 820?

Q5.  Does anyone else on the list have one of these RISC babies?

Thanks,
JCJ

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It sounds like you have a Dock 2, NOT a SelectaDock.
Can the Dock2 and pick up a SelectaDock and Base unit on 
ebay - they are cheap enough now, and DO NOT require an 
adaptor for an IDE device.
You did not mention what OS you are using - MIDI files 
should play in mplayer,exe, how are you trying to play 
them?
The Docks all have a hardware volume dial, they are not 
conrolled by the slide bar on the laptop. You probably 
don't have the volume turned up to an audible level.
> Hi--just joined the list.  Husband is currently using a 600C, and we
> also have an 820 and a docked 700C.  I am in the process of setting up
> the latest addition, a 765XL and SelectadockII.  Re: the questions in
> this post, I have already scoured the ThinkPad site, the user manual,
> and the tech reference...found some answers, but not all.  We are both
> IS pros.
> 
> Since I bought the XL used, I'm not up to speed on the whims of audio on
> this machine.  I updated the drivers/audio package, but am puzzled as to
> why it can (undocked) play wav and mp3 files but not midi.  
> 
> Q1. Is there anything I can try to remedy this?  
> 
> In the dock, it has no sound whatsoever.  I understand it will use the
> computer's speakers if docked hot, but I just got a new battery and
> haven't had a chance to try that yet.  I would like to use the dock's
> speakers, if possible.
> 
> Q2. What, if anything, can I try to use the dock's speakers?
> 
> I have an IDE CD-R I want to install in the dock and understand this
> will require an adaptor.  The prices I've found online are around $20.
> 
> Q3.  Any recommendations or warnings about the adaptor and price, before
> I order one?  
> 
> On the 820, we have two HD's.  On one, we installed AIX (I forget
> exactly which, but it's v.4.2.x).  On the other is NT Workstation 3.51. 
> I would really like to hear from anyone who has a lot of experience with
> the Win side of this config, as we have searched high and low for
> software that will run correctly on it and have found very little.  Most
> everything generates runtime errors because of the incompatible
> instruction set.  In fact, to date, we've found it works with an older
> CompuServe WinCIM, so we can at least use it for e-mail.  We can also
> play CD's on it. <g>  Finally, it's great for various CD video.  I've
> never found a Web browser to work on it.  This old guy is near and dear
> to my heart because the AIX side is very useful in my work.  It would be
> nice to set it up so I only have to take one computer on remote jobs. 
> Allegedly, Office was going to come out in a version to suit, but this
> never came to pass, and they dropped NT for this model at 3.51. 
> Although there is a PPC version for 4.0, I'd hate to trash my working
> configuration only to learn that the 4.0 doesn't work.  Software at the
> time of purchase was all special order, and Office was ordered then, but
> MS didn't come through.
> 
> Q4.  Are you aware of any useful Windows apps that will *definitely* on
> the 820?
> 
> Q5.  Does anyone else on the list have one of these RISC babies?
> 
> Thanks,
> JCJ

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Hi,
This is my 1st post to the list and I'm pretty PC illiterate.
I have an IBM Thinkpad 760XL. It came with Windows 95 version B.
It seems as though there is a problem with the software (I.E. to be exact).
When I'm on the phone with my ISP tech support, the laptop is asking me to
insert the Windows 95 disc (which I don't have) because this is a used
laptop that was a gift. I'm asking if anyone has a version of Windows 95
(version B) that I can buy/use/steal etc...?
Or I was thinking of upgrading to Windows 98. Of coarse theres all the
horror stories about upgrading.

All I want is to have a laptop I can use and right now, its a paperweight.
Can some one help me or at least point me in the right direction?


Roger



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I was just told that on Windows 95 the A version is the floppy discs and the
B version is the CD.

Is this correct?

Roger



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No ;-}

Version 0 of 95 is available on Both .
Version A  , B and osr2 and 2.1 and 2.5 were all available on CD.
No idea if they were released on Floppy .
Was the B version the same as OSR2 ???
Sigh.....can't remember .

Check your laptop for .cab files.
There is a chance that you have the install files on your HD.
Do a file check for .cab

Phone IBM  and ask them to send you the recovery disk for the machine.
They did it for me once, for free !
Of course they like me ....(grin)....and this is Canada .

IBM customer service in Canada is much superior to the US  .
Much like Toshiba's service in Canada is  superior to the US .
On the other hand Compaq US has twice replaced a machine for me with a
newer, shiner version !!

..peter..

----- Original Message -----
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> I was just told that on Windows 95 the A version is the floppy discs and
the
> B version is the CD.
>
> Is this correct?
>
> Roger
>
>
>

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No.  A version (the original and not called A) was available on CD or floppies.
B version included upgrades such as USB support etc.  It may be available on
floppies but it would take about 30 floppies.  Check Microsoft (one end  of the
horse) for more info.

Bill

wwotr wrote:

> I was just told that on Windows 95 the A version is the floppy discs and the
> B version is the CD.
>
> Is this correct?
>
> Roger


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Roger,

I managed a group of twenty 760XL ThinkPads as part of my last job and
successfully installed Windows 98 Second Edition from scratch.  IBM is
good about releasing drivers and even BIOS updates for their older
computers, which makes supporting them easier on those of us who have
to.

Start at this incredibly long address and go from there:

http://www.pc.ibm.com/support?lang=en_US&doctype=&subtype=Cat&page=brand
&menu=family&brand=IBM+ThinkPad&family=IBM+ThinkPad%7CThinkPad+760XL

That should be all one line with no spaces, so you may have to copy and
paste it into, say, Notepad before pasting into your browser.  The only
remaining field to fill in is the specific model number, which will be
on the label on the bottom of the ThinkPad.  I can't remember exactly
where, but you should be able to recognize it.

Once you do that, another screen will come up.  On the left in the blue
area, click "Downloadable files" or any of the other items under
"Technical Information."  Under the downloads, there are new drivers,
BIOS upgrades, etc.

Let us know if you've got any questions along the way and someone will
likely be able to help you out.

Dave


> -----Original Message-----
> From: wwotr [mailto:wwotr@sonic.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 09:06 PM
> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
> Subject: Windows question for 760XL
>
> [snip]
> All I want is to have a laptop I can use and
> right now, its a paperweight. Can some one help
> me or at least point me in the right direction?
>
> Roger


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If you don't have it, buy a copy of the recovery disk on eBay... about
$35 most of the time... or get somebody on this list to burn you
one...

It sounds as if it is trying to upgrade something... this is common
when it wants fonts for Word Pad or whatever it is called...

The last versions of the recovery disk all had version B... but you
can use a version C to upgrade most of it.

There are many users of 760 XL that have upgraded to Windows 98 and SE
on this list and were happy. I haven't tried it, but I know that
www.ibm.com support has update disks for Windows 98 installs... You
just have to use the 16 bit versions or know what you are doing to
upgrade.

If you install the regular Windows 98, I think you only lose
Hibernation, but that is a big loss.  Hibernation requires 16 bit to
work, and I don't think the hibernation will work on 32 bit.


Ray

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No.  Windows 95 A is the original version of Windows.  Windows 95 B
came out in February of 1997.  Windows 95 C came out in about August
of 1997... the main differences were drivers and in C, the ability to
provide USB support.

There is a way to tell which one you have by looking at the version
numbers while in My Computer.

Ray

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Greetings everyone,

	Happy Holidays!  I have a question.  On the ThinkPad 770Z
9549-8AU, is there a addressable memory limitation of 512 megs since I
added 2 256 meg modules to the system and that in addition to the 64 megs 
non-removeable unless you take the machine apart should give 576 megs but
the BIOS only shows 512megs as 523712KB.  Thanks!


Cheers,
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 Windows 95 =	Original Retail Win95
Windows 95A =	Windows 95 with downloadable Service Pack 1
		installed.
Windows 95B =	"OEM Service Release 2," or OSR2 as it was known.
		Not supposed to be available to the general public
		unless included with a new PC or bought in
		combination with a new hard drive. Included IE4 and
		added basic USB support for the first time in Windows'
		history.
Windows 95C =	Slightly improved USB support, newer revision of
		IE4, new drivers, etc.  Basically a new release for
		the purpose of getting the new IE version on
		consumers' new PCs. This was the last version of
		Windows 95.
 Windows 98 =	Original retail release of Windows 98
 Windows 98 Second Edition = Could be thought of as "Win98B."
		Added support for some new types of hardware, had
		much better power management, more robust USB
		support, etc.  Considered by some to be the best
		and most stable version of CONSUMER-oriented
		Windows.
 Windows ME =	Latest "consumer" OS from our friends at Microsoft.


I'm sure I'll hear about it if I messed up a detail.  :-)

Dave


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray Bay [mailto:canyonlands@theriver.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 11:34 PM
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> Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
> Subject: Re: WINDOWS 95 ? (again)
> 
> No.  Windows 95 A is the original version of Windows.  Windows 95 B
> came out in February of 1997.  Windows 95 C came out in about August
> of 1997... the main differences were drivers and in C, the ability to
> provide USB support.
> 
> There is a way to tell which one you have by looking at the version
> numbers while in My Computer.
> 
> Ray

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Questions forwarded from a non-subscriber.  If nobody on the list knows how to reset the power-on password of the TP750, where can the TP750 Hardware Maintenance Manual be found?

And, how can the user tell whether they're dealing with a supervisor, power-on or hard drive password?

Be sure to cc <donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz> on any replies.

- Ken
kenzo@free-music.com

>From: "Donald and Maria" <donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz>
>To: <kenzo@free-music.com>
>Subject: Thinkpad BIOS Password
>Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:13:47 +1300
>
>Hi. 
>  
>I have recently been given an IBM Thinkpad 750. This notebook has a BIOS password that I cannot get past. In an article I read on the net (<http://zurich.ai.mit.edu/hypermail/thinkpad/1998-10/0139.html>http://zurich.ai.mit.edu/hypermail/thinkpad/1998-10/0139.html) you say that you have found a way to short a jumper(s) to bypass this Password. I am unable to find any information on the net telling me how to do this and I would appreciate any assistance you could lend. 
>  
>Thank you.
>  
>Donald
>  
>Dunedin
>New Zealand
><mailto:donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz>donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz

>From: "Donald and Maria" <donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz>
>To: "Ken" <kenzo@free-music.com>
>Subject: Re: Thinkpad BIOS Password
>Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:45:46 +1300
>
>Hi, Thanks for your information. It has just occured to me that I am not
>totally sure if I am trying to get around a BIOS password or supervisor
>password. When I boot up, it checks the memory, and then comes up with a
>symbol that is kind of like a box with a line accross that bottem quarter
>and then a smaller box inside the top half, next to that is a symbol of a
>padlock.
>
>Can you confirm which password this is please?
>
>Cheers
>
>Donald
>
>donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz


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Vince..
that is the same i have experienced..
i just checked this yesterday..
the additional ram is probably the video ram..
the 64meg in the system board DIMM socket is mapped out..

----- Original Message -----
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To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 2:04 AM
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> Greetings everyone,
>
> Happy Holidays!  I have a question.  On the ThinkPad 770Z
> 9549-8AU, is there a addressable memory limitation of 512 megs since I
> added 2 256 meg modules to the system and that in addition to the 64 megs
> non-removeable unless you take the machine apart should give 576 megs but
> the BIOS only shows 512megs as 523712KB.  Thanks!
>
>
> Cheers,
> Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President             ________   __
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>
>


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on the 750 series, the place that you jumper is under the floppy drive and
next to the floppy socket..
a small two pin socket..
turn off the machine, short the two pins, power the machine on..
hard to do without using a 2mm shorting block.. i THINK the pins are on 2mm
centers..
you can tell if there is a supervisor password if after clearing the power
on password, you still get asked for a password..  :-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <kenzo@free-music.com>
To: "Thinkpad list" <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Cc: "Donald and Maria" <donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 2:34 AM
Subject: Resetting BIOS password on TP750?


> Questions forwarded from a non-subscriber.  If nobody on the list knows
how to reset the power-on password of the TP750, where can the TP750
Hardware Maintenance Manual be found?
>
> And, how can the user tell whether they're dealing with a supervisor,
power-on or hard drive password?
>
> Be sure to cc <donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz> on any replies.
>
> - Ken
> kenzo@free-music.com
>
> >From: "Donald and Maria" <donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz>
> >To: <kenzo@free-music.com>
> >Subject: Thinkpad BIOS Password
> >Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:13:47 +1300
> >
> >Hi.
> >
> >I have recently been given an IBM Thinkpad 750. This notebook has a BIOS
password that I cannot get past. In an article I read on the net
(<http://zurich.ai.mit.edu/hypermail/thinkpad/1998-10/0139.html>http://zuric
h.ai.mit.edu/hypermail/thinkpad/1998-10/0139.html) you say that you have
found a way to short a jumper(s) to bypass this Password. I am unable to
find any information on the net telling me how to do this and I would
appreciate any assistance you could lend.
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >Donald
> >
> >Dunedin
> >New Zealand
> ><mailto:donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz>donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz
>
> >From: "Donald and Maria" <donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz>
> >To: "Ken" <kenzo@free-music.com>
> >Subject: Re: Thinkpad BIOS Password
> >Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:45:46 +1300
> >
> >Hi, Thanks for your information. It has just occured to me that I am not
> >totally sure if I am trying to get around a BIOS password or supervisor
> >password. When I boot up, it checks the memory, and then comes up with a
> >symbol that is kind of like a box with a line accross that bottem quarter
> >and then a smaller box inside the top half, next to that is a symbol of a
> >padlock.
> >
> >Can you confirm which password this is please?
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Donald
> >
> >donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz
>
>


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forgot to sign the answer..
ask if there are any further questions..

Cordially,  :-)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <kenzo@free-music.com>
To: "Thinkpad list" <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Cc: "Donald and Maria" <donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 2:34 AM
Subject: Resetting BIOS password on TP750?


> Questions forwarded from a non-subscriber.  If nobody on the list knows
how to reset the power-on password of the TP750, where can the TP750
Hardware Maintenance Manual be found?
>
> And, how can the user tell whether they're dealing with a supervisor,
power-on or hard drive password?
>
> Be sure to cc <donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz> on any replies.
>
> - Ken
> kenzo@free-music.com
>
> >From: "Donald and Maria" <donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz>
> >To: <kenzo@free-music.com>
> >Subject: Thinkpad BIOS Password
> >Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:13:47 +1300
> >
> >Hi.
> >
> >I have recently been given an IBM Thinkpad 750. This notebook has a BIOS
password that I cannot get past. In an article I read on the net
(<http://zurich.ai.mit.edu/hypermail/thinkpad/1998-10/0139.html>http://zuric
h.ai.mit.edu/hypermail/thinkpad/1998-10/0139.html) you say that you have
found a way to short a jumper(s) to bypass this Password. I am unable to
find any information on the net telling me how to do this and I would
appreciate any assistance you could lend.
> >
> >Thank you.
> >
> >Donald
> >
> >Dunedin
> >New Zealand
> ><mailto:donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz>donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz
>
> >From: "Donald and Maria" <donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz>
> >To: "Ken" <kenzo@free-music.com>
> >Subject: Re: Thinkpad BIOS Password
> >Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 18:45:46 +1300
> >
> >Hi, Thanks for your information. It has just occured to me that I am not
> >totally sure if I am trying to get around a BIOS password or supervisor
> >password. When I boot up, it checks the memory, and then comes up with a
> >symbol that is kind of like a box with a line accross that bottem quarter
> >and then a smaller box inside the top half, next to that is a symbol of a
> >padlock.
> >
> >Can you confirm which password this is please?
> >
> >Cheers
> >
> >Donald
> >
> >donald.maria@actrix.gen.nz
>
>


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On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 15:50:39 +0700, Dr. Jeffrey Race wrote:

>I have verified that V 2.4 of the IBM dialer still works in one
>group of machines while V 3 dialers suddenly fail.  So V 2.4
>or perhaps other antique dialers are welcome.

Check out ftp.attglobal.net/pub/Advantis

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On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Bill Morrow wrote:

Hi Bill,

	Hmmm, maybe it's a limitation of the Intel chipset?  I mean I know
at 320 megs, it loses a little and ends up somewhere...


Cheers,
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> Vince..
> that is the same i have experienced..
> i just checked this yesterday..
> the additional ram is probably the video ram..
> the 64meg in the system board DIMM socket is mapped out..
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vincent Poy" <vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET>
> To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 2:04 AM
> Subject: ThinkPad 770Z 95498AU Memory Limitation
> 
> 
> > Greetings everyone,
> >
> > Happy Holidays!  I have a question.  On the ThinkPad 770Z
> > 9549-8AU, is there a addressable memory limitation of 512 megs since I
> > added 2 256 meg modules to the system and that in addition to the 64 megs
> > non-removeable unless you take the machine apart should give 576 megs but
> > the BIOS only shows 512megs as 523712KB.  Thanks!
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President             ________   __
> ____
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> >
> >
> >
> 
> 


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Roger,
If there is just a problem with IE, older than ver.5
or whatever, the best thing to do is download the
latest version from Microsoft's web site and install
it.  If you still need Windows files, and who doesn't
at some time, you can get old copies of the Windows 95
CD at most computer swap meets for a few bucks. Either
the factory copy that comes with Dells, Gateway's,
etc. or the upgrade or full version will work. They
all have the same files on them (you just can't
install Windows from some of the factory versions that
don't include setup.exe). Don't get any of the factory
Restore disks, they are just am image of the original
machine's hard drive. Also check your hard drive for a
folder called \win95. That's the same folder that the
Windows files are stored on for the CD and sometimes
is copied to the hard drive by a tech during
installation. (It installs faster that way from the
HD)

--- wwotr <wwotr@sonic.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> This is my 1st post to the list and I'm pretty PC
> illiterate.
> I have an IBM Thinkpad 760XL. It came with Windows
> 95 version B.
> It seems as though there is a problem with the
> software (I.E. to be exact).
> When I'm on the phone with my ISP tech support, the
> laptop is asking me to
> insert the Windows 95 disc (which I don't have)
> because this is a used
> laptop that was a gift. I'm asking if anyone has a
> version of Windows 95
> (version B) that I can buy/use/steal etc...?
> Or I was thinking of upgrading to Windows 98. Of
> coarse theres all the
> horror stories about upgrading.
> 
> All I want is to have a laptop I can use and right
> now, its a paperweight.
> Can some one help me or at least point me in the
> right direction?
> 
> 
> Roger
> 
> 


=====
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In <20001228160122.74044.qmail@web9501.mail.yahoo.com>, on 12/28/00 
   at 08:01 AM, "Steve C." <stevec50@yahoo.com> typed:

>If there is just a problem with IE, older than ver.5
>or whatever, the best thing to do is download the
>latest version from Microsoft's web site and install
>it. 

You will need a lot of patience or a fast connection.  I just installed IE
5.5 on an NT server yesterday - the initial download file is only about
half a meg, but the total download ('typical install') is close to 20 meg. 
Fortunately, this was on a cable modem setup.
 
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Forgive my feeble attempt at juvenile humor.

The recent thread regarding S-video to RCA got me searching for a the
solution to the same problem.  I will have 90+ teachers running around next
year with laptops and I need to provide them with the ability to connect to
a TV for PowerPoint and similar modes of instruction.  I found this company:

 http://www.svideotorca.com/videoware/ib.html

that has just the cable, from 6 to 24 foot lengths for $21.  As opposed to
$20 for the 5" IBM cable!  This cable also has sound.  Sure beats buying a
$150 FOCUS box that only does video.

Mike Lingenfelter
Network Administrator/
Technology  Coordinator
Bellwood Antis School District


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I have recently acquired an old 701 with an od video problem.  The previous
owner has had the screen replaced 2 times by IBM under warranty and now it
has apparently killed another one. It works fine with an external monitor
but when it boots with the original screen all I can see is just a light
shadow of the Windows splash screen.  Any ideas??


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One of the ways they do it is to change the little
memory chip that stores the password. You can buy just
the chip if you want to change it yourself. I saw them
for sale on a website once for about $35-40 or so.
Don't remember the website right now but you could do
a search and probably find it. You have to be VERY
comfortable with soldering tiny surface mount I.C.s
but you might be able to find a repair shop that can
do it for you.
--- finnigan@ihug.com.au wrote:
> 
> I have visited two sites:
> http://www.nortek.on.ca/nortek/hdd_pw.html#Power
> http://homestead.deja.com/user.alfair/
> which say they can remove the password for a price. 
> 
> Does anyone else know the techniques in which they
> employ to do this? It would  
> be greatly appreciated as I am a student and cannot
> afford the cost - the laptop 
> would certainly help out my Uni studies.


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Yes, I forgot to mention the file size. May not be a
good option with a modem unless there is a lot of free
time to kill.
Maybe a better option would be to install it from one
of those free AOL CD's that are available almost
everywhere. One drawback to that is your IE window
will always say AOL at the top!
 
> >If there is just a problem with IE, older than
> ver.5
> >or whatever, the best thing to do is download the
> >latest version from Microsoft's web site and
> install
> >it. 
> 
> You will need a lot of patience or a fast
> connection.  I just installed IE
> 5.5 on an NT server yesterday - the initial download
> file is only about
> half a meg, but the total download ('typical
> install') is close to 20 meg. 
> Fortunately, this was on a cable modem setup.
>  
> --
>  Julian Thomas:  jt@epix.net 
> http://home.epix.net/~jt
>  In the beautiful Finger Lakes Wine Country of New
> York State!
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> Inc 
> http://www.possi.org
>  -- --
>  Ethernet (n): something used to catch the
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> 
> 


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From: "J & D Jones" <gallifreyent@who.net>

> Since I bought the XL used, I'm not up to speed on the whims of audio on
> this machine.  I updated the drivers/audio package, but am puzzled as to
> why it can (undocked) play wav and mp3 files but not midi.
>
> Q1. Is there anything I can try to remedy this?

If it's anything like my old 750P (and I think it's NOT), MIDI is done
with
software, so you need to install drivers for MIDI, and it takes a large
amount of CPU while playing. I would recommend just doing without if
it's OK with you.

If it's not OK, or if I'm wrong about software MIDI, I now have to
guess...
I take it that the media player looks like it's playing, but no sound
actually occurs. In that case, double click the speaker icon and set your
MIDI out level there.

> On the 820, we have two HD's.  On one, we installed AIX (I forget
...
>
> Q4.  Are you aware of any useful Windows apps that will *definitely* on
> the 820?

I think you will continue to have a very hard time finding NT PPC
software. I suggest you get another hard drive and try Linux. However,
you will be a pioneer in this area and will likely have to compile
much of the software you get. Debian has a PPC port that might do
the job for you.

Of course, with gobs of GPL software out there, you could also
try to get folks to port some to AIX, or find the Linux compatability
software for AIX (if it's out yet).


>
> Q5.  Does anyone else on the list have one of these RISC babies?

I don't think I've seen anyone else with one on the list since it
began.

Chris



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Roger,

You can get cheap versions of Windows lots of places. Try eBay
for example. If I were you, I would erase your drive and start
over anyway, just to get a clean start. (Windows) systems are more
reliable when that is done every year or so.

So, get a restore CD, or the real thing.

You'll need a Win98 CD if you want to install that, and again, I
would recommend you not upgrade, but install from scratch.

buycheapsoftware.com has Win95 OSR2.1 OEM for $44
Win95 License for $34 (you have to get a copy of a CD)
Win98 License for $56
Win98 SE Full OEM for $99
Win98 SE Upgrade Retail for $85
WinMe Upgrade Retail for $84

Because of the age of your machine, I would recommend you stay
with Win95 unless you have some extra-ordinary need.

Good luck,
Chris

----- Original Message -----
From: "wwotr" <wwotr@sonic.net>
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> Hi,
> This is my 1st post to the list and I'm pretty PC illiterate.
> I have an IBM Thinkpad 760XL. It came with Windows 95 version B.
> It seems as though there is a problem with the software (I.E. to be
exact).
> When I'm on the phone with my ISP tech support, the laptop is asking me
to
> insert the Windows 95 disc (which I don't have) because this is a used
> laptop that was a gift. I'm asking if anyone has a version of Windows 95
> (version B) that I can buy/use/steal etc...?
> Or I was thinking of upgrading to Windows 98. Of coarse theres all the
> horror stories about upgrading.
>
> All I want is to have a laptop I can use and right now, its a
paperweight.
> Can some one help me or at least point me in the right direction?
>
>
> Roger
>
>
>


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I agree but if he is going to start from scratch maybe
he should get Windows ME upgrade (for $49.00
everywhere). It starts up and shuts down faster, has
more multimedia and networking features, doesn't crash
as often or have the shutdown problems that Win98 has.

--- Chris Schumann <cschumann@twp-llc.com> wrote:
> Roger,
> 
> You can get cheap versions of Windows lots of
> places. Try eBay
> for example. If I were you, I would erase your drive
> and start
> over anyway, just to get a clean start. (Windows)
> systems are more
> reliable when that is done every year or so.
> 
> So, get a restore CD, or the real thing.
> 
> You'll need a Win98 CD if you want to install that,
> and again, I
> would recommend you not upgrade, but install from
> scratch.
> 
> buycheapsoftware.com has Win95 OSR2.1 OEM for $44
> Win95 License for $34 (you have to get a copy of a
> CD)
> Win98 License for $56
> Win98 SE Full OEM for $99
> Win98 SE Upgrade Retail for $85
> WinMe Upgrade Retail for $84
> 
> Because of the age of your machine, I would
> recommend you stay
> with Win95 unless you have some extra-ordinary need.
> 
> Good luck,
> Chris


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I wonder what's up with their FREE *Shipping? 
When I tried to fill out the order form online it was
going to charge me $5.00! I guess it's FREE *Shipping
if you pay $5.00. Then when I tried to back out it
caused IE-5 to crash. Guess they won't be getting my
order!

--- Mike Lingenfelter <mlingen@charter.net> wrote:
> Forgive my feeble attempt at juvenile humor.
> 
> The recent thread regarding S-video to RCA got me
> searching for a the
> solution to the same problem.  I will have 90+
> teachers running around next
> year with laptops and I need to provide them with
> the ability to connect to
> a TV for PowerPoint and similar modes of
> instruction.  I found this company:
> 
>  http://www.svideotorca.com/videoware/ib.html
> 
> that has just the cable, from 6 to 24 foot lengths
> for $21.  As opposed to
> $20 for the 5" IBM cable!  This cable also has
> sound.  Sure beats buying a
> $150 FOCUS box that only does video.
> 
> Mike Lingenfelter
> Network Administrator/
> Technology  Coordinator
> Bellwood Antis School District
> 
> 
> @home w/Charter Pipeline High Speed Access
> 


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When you installed Windows 98, did you have problems with the
Hibernation files, or did you install it as 16 bit on just the 2 Gig
portion?

Ray

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You can buy IE 5.5 from Microsoft for $10 or so including shipping...
Then you have it to give to all your enemies...  They delivered mine
in about three days... A much better deal that waiting for two hours
of downloads.

Ray

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Windows ME is not for everybody

We have installed nearly 100 copies of Windows ME for our customers...
They generally hate it when done as an upgrade.  It only seems to
start up faster and close down faster if you have a great deal of
space on the drive...  We find on average that is is slower than 98 on
machines over two years old...

Windows ME doesn't crash as often, that is true... and when it does,
it handles a crash better. And it has much better multimedia support
and USB support.

But Windows ME is just different enough to tic people off who are long
time users of 95 or 98.  We have had excellent luck with Windows 98
Second Edition... better than any other Windows software package.


Ray

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Who's going to be the first to invent the "insulated trackpoint cap?" -- jb

>
>-----Original Message-----
>From:	Mel Zelniker [mailto:melzelniker@attglobal.net]
>Sent:	Wednesday, December 27, 2000 1:57 PM
>To:	tbowman@nbn.net; THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu
>Subject:	Re: TrackPoint problem
>
>I bet your letting your finger rest on the trackpoint. The heat transfer
>from your finger causes the trackpoint to go into "autocalibrate mode". The
>cure for this is to not keep your finger on the pointer. The following is
>from ThinkPad Support:
>
>"The TrackPoint III does automatic compensations to adjust the pointer
>sensor. During this process, the pointer moves on the screen automatically
>for a short time. This self-acting pointer movement can occur when a
slight,
>steady pressure is applied to the TrackPoint III pointer while the computer
>is powered on or while the system is running, or when re-adjustment is
>required because the temperature has exceeded its normal temperature range.
>This symptom does not indicate a hardware problem. No service actions are
>necessary if the pointer movement stops in a short period of time. (Remove
>your finger from the pointer to allow it to finish calibrating.)"
>
>Also be sure you have the latest video and TrackPoint drivers installed. Go
>to
>
>http://www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html
>
>which is the Think Pad device driver matrix. Check your version numbers for
>video and TrackPoint drivers.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <tbowman@nbn.net>
>To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 9:46 AM
>Subject: TrackPoint problem
>
>
>> I'm new to this list and new to a ThinkPad 760XL I bought several weeks
>> ago.
>>
>> When using the TrackPoint stick after an hour or so, the cursor drifts on
>> its own to one of the screen edges.  What is happening here and what is
>> the cure??
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Tomh
>>
>>
>
>


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My 770X 9549-7AU has long had an intermittent problem
of locking up and requiring a hard reset.  It seems to usually
happen when websurfing (Netscape 4,6; IE 4,5.5;Opera 3.6,4.02)
and loading a new page and moving the trackpoint.  The on
screen cursor freezes, any onscreen clock or anything visibly
running on screen freezes and no matter how long I leave it
sitting, nothing happens until I press the reset button.  For
a long time I tried updating every device driver at the
Thinkpad website, then eliminating everything in the system
tray.  Any constructive suggestions would be appreciated.

-- 
Mick McQuaid, mmcquaid@u.arizona.edu
              520-621-4074 office / voice mail

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If I remember right, the 7AU came preinstalled with Windows 98, correct? Are
you running the internal DSP modem? If so, you might look for the latest
modem drivers. You might also try the latest trackpoint drivers. The only
other suggestion I might have is to disable any virus software temporarily
to see if that might be the problem.

Greg



-----Original Message-----
From: Mick McQuaid [mailto:mcquaid@U.Arizona.EDU]
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 2:39 PM
To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
Subject: 770X freezes when websurfing


My 770X 9549-7AU has long had an intermittent problem
of locking up and requiring a hard reset.  It seems to usually
happen when websurfing (Netscape 4,6; IE 4,5.5;Opera 3.6,4.02)
and loading a new page and moving the trackpoint.  The on
screen cursor freezes, any onscreen clock or anything visibly
running on screen freezes and no matter how long I leave it
sitting, nothing happens until I press the reset button.  For
a long time I tried updating every device driver at the
Thinkpad website, then eliminating everything in the system
tray.  Any constructive suggestions would be appreciated.

-- 
Mick McQuaid, mmcquaid@u.arizona.edu
              520-621-4074 office / voice mail

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The unit posts and displays the ram check
fine. Gives me the 'IBM Thinkpad" in big
letters, then the LCD goes blank.

No amount of pressing Fn + F7 gets the LCD on.  With an external monitor it
does cycle it on and off normally. (well with the exception of the LCD
staying blank.)

The unit works fine with an external monitor.
If I run the diagnostics I get everything is OK.

I have double and triple checked resolution
settings and color depth. I have updated to
the most recent video driver for windows. I
have tried a dos boot floppy, all the same
result.

Could this be a bios problem? I am a little
scared to flash the bios since I have never
done one before.

If it is a hardware problem where would I
start? The only thing I could think of would
be the main board, but the diagnostics say it
is fine. I have pulled the unit open to
check the connections and cables, everything
is well seated and undamaged.

Could this be caused by the extra memory simms installed?

The unit is a 365x with a Dual Scan screen.
P133
40 Meg Ram
Internal CD Rom
All PC cards removed

Thanks

Greg

Apologies if I have already posted to this forum, I have been trying
everywhere and starting to lose track of where I have and have not been.



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Allow me to be so bold as to offer a slightly different point of view...

Windows ME is a pale imitation of Windows 2000.  I think ther are those
here who can recall my various snipes at Windows in general, but I must
say, 2000 is the best they've ever come out with, and far far more solid
than anything else.  It doesn't seem to do games as well, but I don't think
most of the people on this list would place that at a high priority.

To anyone thinking of "upgrading" to ME, check to see if 2000 is supported
Me, I'd rather have a slowly running 2000 system that didn't need reboots
every day than something faster which auto crashes. ;-)

--STeve Andre'

At 01:12 PM 12/28/00 -0700, Ray Bay wrote:
>Windows ME is not for everybody
>
>We have installed nearly 100 copies of Windows ME for our customers...
>They generally hate it when done as an upgrade.  It only seems to
>start up faster and close down faster if you have a great deal of
>space on the drive...  We find on average that is is slower than 98 on
>machines over two years old...
>
>Windows ME doesn't crash as often, that is true... and when it does,
>it handles a crash better. And it has much better multimedia support
>and USB support.
>
>But Windows ME is just different enough to tic people off who are long
>time users of 95 or 98.  We have had excellent luck with Windows 98
>Second Edition... better than any other Windows software package.
>
>
>Ray


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No hibernation problems that I can recall.  Win98 SE was installed on a
FAT32 partition on the original 2.1 GB hard drives in those ThinkPads.
(These were the 166 MHz models with the 12.1" SVGA TFT screen and 2.1 GB
drives.)  The hibernation file was created on that same FAT32 partition
and nobody ever complained about it not working.  To be honest, though,
I can't remember every trying it myself, which I should have done in
case one of the users hibernated.  I'm not longer working there, though,
so I can't give it a try.

I did make sure to download the latest ThinkPad Utilities and other
relevant software and drivers.  The only complaints that I (and the
users) had were that sometimes Win98 wouldn't shut down properly.  Even
with all the patches and updates installed, some of them would work
perfectly, while others would hang on shutdown.  Never did figure that
one out.


On a slightly unrelated note, I've gotta say, that those 760XLs were
tanks.  They were used hard by the students who had them and there were
very rarely any problems.  One had the backlight on the display die and
IBM replaced it under warranty free of charge with no questions asked.

Dave


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ray Bay [mailto:canyonlands@theriver.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 03:00 PM
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> Subject: Re: Windows question for 760XL
>
> When you installed Windows 98, did you have problems with the
> Hibernation files, or did you install it as 16 bit on just the 2 Gig
> portion?
>
> Ray


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Greg,

Sounds like a problem I had with a 760XL at an old job.  While the
machine is on, shine a flashlight on the display and see if you can see
a faint image being reflected back.  It sounds like the backlight or
some part of the backlighting system may be dying.  If you can still see
an image on the screen when shining a bright light on it, the display it
self it fine, but the backlight needs help.  This can usually be
corrected only by having the entire display replaced.  Hopefully it's
under warranty...

After the display goes blank, does the computer still seem to be doing
something?  I.e., is there still hard drive activity?

Dave


> -----Original Message-----
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>
>
> The unit posts and displays the ram check
> fine. Gives me the 'IBM Thinkpad" in big
> letters, then the LCD goes blank.
> [snip]


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At 09:04 PM 12/27/00 -1000, Vincent Poy wrote:
>Greetings everyone,
>
>         Happy Holidays!  I have a question.  On the ThinkPad 770Z
>9549-8AU, is there a addressable memory limitation of 512 megs since I
>added 2 256 meg modules to the system and that in addition to the 64 megs
>non-removeable unless you take the machine apart should give 576 megs but
>the BIOS only shows 512megs as 523712KB.  Thanks!

The Mobile BX chipset is natively limited to 512mb. Various manufacturers have
created ways to circumvent this limitation, but it is something you might want
to explore.

Mark



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My 2 cents.  I run Windows 98 SE with Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) on a TP
755C that acts as my internet server 24/7.  If someone else (who just turned
20- alleluia no more teenagers at home) leaves his hands off of it, it runs for
??? days - I think it is on its 13rd day now w/o a reboot.  It dials in and
connects smoothly  - mostly.  The 3/4 other machines networked to the 755C like
it - mostly.  My main  machine started crashing often about 3 weeks ago.  Win
98?  No it was a virus, one of the emailed types.  When I found it and shot it
dead, my machine returned to its original performance.  Rock solid?  No, but it
doesn't crash on a regular basis, just once in awhile.  Shut down problems? -
Yes  I don't get the final shut down message but I turn it off anyway and it
doesn't have any problems on startup.  Now, can Windows ME or 2000 do the
same?  Remember it is a 755C w/ 24 megs and a 1.2G HD - bare min for Win 98.
Oh yeh, I run it with the screen turned off.

BTW, I run the 755C w/o an internal battery and rely on a small nicad UPS.  No
problems through many power hiccups (I live rural with an electric coop
providing mostly reliable power - but a lot of hiccups)  So I am not bothered
by the TP's battery being killed by frequent recharges.  The UPS has been
running a year or so w/o a problem.  Or should this be on another thread?

Bill and I am so sorry I don't have a modern TP, my apologies.  ;-)


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I'll  bet that WinME wouldn't be able to do it, based on the night of 
frustration I
spent with a Dell Inspiron 5000e doing net things.   Win2000 I'm sure could do
this.  Any of the open source op systems would do this, for hundreds of days
straight without need of rebooting (sorry, but I just got email from a 
friend who
just had a 1000 day uptime party for his 386 based FreeBSD router/ppp box
for his family net--couldn't resist making the comparison).

--STeve Andre'

At 03:54 PM 12/28/00 -0600, William Van Tuyl wrote:
>My 2 cents.  I run Windows 98 SE with Internet Connection Sharing (ICS) on 
>a TP
>755C that acts as my internet server 24/7.  If someone else (who just turned
>20- alleluia no more teenagers at home) leaves his hands off of it, it 
>runs for
>??? days - I think it is on its 13rd day now w/o a reboot.  It dials in and
>connects smoothly  - mostly.  The 3/4 other machines networked to the 755C 
>like
>it - mostly.  My main  machine started crashing often about 3 weeks ago.  Win
>98?  No it was a virus, one of the emailed types.  When I found it and shot it
>dead, my machine returned to its original performance.  Rock solid?  No, 
>but it
>doesn't crash on a regular basis, just once in awhile.  Shut down problems? -
>Yes  I don't get the final shut down message but I turn it off anyway and it
>doesn't have any problems on startup.  Now, can Windows ME or 2000 do the
>same?  Remember it is a 755C w/ 24 megs and a 1.2G HD - bare min for Win 98.
>Oh yeh, I run it with the screen turned off.
>
>BTW, I run the 755C w/o an internal battery and rely on a small nicad UPS.  No
>problems through many power hiccups (I live rural with an electric coop
>providing mostly reliable power - but a lot of hiccups)  So I am not bothered
>by the TP's battery being killed by frequent recharges.  The UPS has been
>running a year or so w/o a problem.  Or should this be on another thread?
>
>Bill and I am so sorry I don't have a modern TP, my apologies.  ;-)


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I believe only the Mediamatics software can recognize any hardware DVD
decoding; in fact,
likely only the OEM version distributed by IBM can do this.

Otherwise, your best bet is to find software that likes your video driver.  For
example,
cinemaster engine-based software works very well on ATI graphics systems, even
with slow processors.

- David R.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Khoury" <pkhoury@loop.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 2:15 PM
Subject: DVD software


> Can anyone here recommend some good DVD software?  It appears my mediamatics
> disc is defective (I couldn't install it under Win2K to see what it looks
like, or on Win98
> with a DVD drive).  I checked out WinDVD from Intervideo.com, which was
pretty good, but
> was only software based on my 400MHz box.  I'd like something to take
advantage
> of the hardware decoding (I should have my 'pad next week).
>
> Anyone have any suggestions?  If I have to buy software, I will (as long as
> it's worth the money).
>
> Thanks all, and I hope everyone had a good holiday.
>
> Paul
>
>
>


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Judging from posts on the laptop newsgroup - mainly from users in places
outside of Dell distribution,
such as central Europe -  FOSA really does seem to be the same laptop as Dell
(not just
a similar product from the same assembler).  Of course, one might not get
comparable support.

- David R.

----- Original Message -----
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To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 4:32 PM
Subject: Re: question on price.


> It might be the "same" on the outside, but do be very wary of it being
anything
> close to the quality of Dell.
>
> I have seen manufacturers make noname clone types of laptops, which have
> had brand labels, sold here in the US, and another less well built version of
> it sold in Asia.  A friend who buys things for his company found a WinBook
> or something like that along with the 'generic' version.  While they looked
> very
> similar at the beginning, closer investigation revealed many
> differences--including
> the number of screws holding things down!
>
> So, this FOSA might be reasonable--but remember that there are a lot of clone
> like things out there.  A laptop is really a lot harder to build than a
> desktop: it
> costs more money to do it right, so that makes them especially tempting
> targets
> for cost cutters...
>
> --STeve Andre'
>
> At 04:03 PM 12/26/00 -1000, David Ross wrote:
> > > for HK 8000 (around $1034 US) or buy an unknown brand of Laptop (called
> > > FOSA) with 13.1 TFT, 6Gig Hard Drive - 8 Meg Video Ram 64Meg ram &
Inbuilt
> > > modem.
> >
> >FWIW, I think FOSA is the same laptop as Dell - check deja.com on the laptop
> >newsgroup, where
> >it has been discussed on occasion.
> >
> >- David R.
>
>


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appears the flourescent panel is dead..
or the inverter that powers it..

Cordially,  :-)
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Wilcox" <sdw33@earthlink.net>
To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 12:33 PM
Subject: 701 Video Problem


> I have recently acquired an old 701 with an od video problem.  The
previous
> owner has had the screen replaced 2 times by IBM under warranty and now it
> has apparently killed another one. It works fine with an external monitor
> but when it boots with the original screen all I can see is just a light
> shadow of the Windows splash screen.  Any ideas??
>
>


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unlikely to be a bios problem..
more likely hardware..
from the description of the symptoms, it could be heat death of an inverter
component or video subsystem..
especially if it came on suddenly..
unless something was left in a state of main display off when you previously
powered down, i can't think of anything else to try..

there is a link to the hardware manuals (if you've not already gotten this)
on my site..
it has troubleshooting help.. not much but some..  :-)

i apologise if this sounds rude, but that machine is hardly worth
repairing..
strip it and find a much better machine for the cost in time and $$ to
repair it..

there are a bunch of 760ED's and low end 770's that will run circles around
that old 365X series..
AND give you a much nicer display.. i.e. no eyestrain or the like..  :-)

Cordially,  :-)
Bill Morrow
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg F" <claws24@home.com>
To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 4:00 PM
Subject: Is my mainboard dead or just the Bios


> The unit posts and displays the ram check
> fine. Gives me the 'IBM Thinkpad" in big
> letters, then the LCD goes blank.
>
> No amount of pressing Fn + F7 gets the LCD on.  With an external monitor
it
> does cycle it on and off normally. (well with the exception of the LCD
> staying blank.)
>
> The unit works fine with an external monitor.
> If I run the diagnostics I get everything is OK.
>
> I have double and triple checked resolution
> settings and color depth. I have updated to
> the most recent video driver for windows. I
> have tried a dos boot floppy, all the same
> result.
>
> Could this be a bios problem? I am a little
> scared to flash the bios since I have never
> done one before.
>
> If it is a hardware problem where would I
> start? The only thing I could think of would
> be the main board, but the diagnostics say it
> is fine. I have pulled the unit open to
> check the connections and cables, everything
> is well seated and undamaged.
>
> Could this be caused by the extra memory simms installed?
>
> The unit is a 365x with a Dual Scan screen.
> P133
> 40 Meg Ram
> Internal CD Rom
> All PC cards removed
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg
>
> Apologies if I have already posted to this forum, I have been trying
> everywhere and starting to lose track of where I have and have not been.
>
>
>


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From: "James H. E. Maugham" <CaptJHEM@waterw.com>
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Subject: RE: Is my mainboard dead or just the Bios
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First thing is to make sure you have the latest BIOS:
http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/COBN-38CG9B.html

Then, you need the video driver for W95:
http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/RMIE-3ENEN9.html Be sure to follow the
installation instructions on the page.

That's all you need.

Regards,

James

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg F [mailto:claws24@home.com]
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 4:00 PM
> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
> Subject: Is my mainboard dead or just the Bios
> 
> 
> The unit posts and displays the ram check
> fine. Gives me the 'IBM Thinkpad" in big
> letters, then the LCD goes blank.
> 
> No amount of pressing Fn + F7 gets the LCD on.  With an external monitor it
> does cycle it on and off normally. (well with the exception of the LCD
> staying blank.)
> 
> The unit works fine with an external monitor.
> If I run the diagnostics I get everything is OK.
> 
> I have double and triple checked resolution
> settings and color depth. I have updated to
> the most recent video driver for windows. I
> have tried a dos boot floppy, all the same
> result.
> 
> Could this be a bios problem? I am a little
> scared to flash the bios since I have never
> done one before.
> 
> If it is a hardware problem where would I
> start? The only thing I could think of would
> be the main board, but the diagnostics say it
> is fine. I have pulled the unit open to
> check the connections and cables, everything
> is well seated and undamaged.
> 
> Could this be caused by the extra memory simms installed?
> 
> The unit is a 365x with a Dual Scan screen.
> P133
> 40 Meg Ram
> Internal CD Rom
> All PC cards removed
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Greg
> 
> Apologies if I have already posted to this forum, I have been trying
> everywhere and starting to lose track of where I have and have not been.
> 
> 

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I've got an old desktop P166 with 32 MB RAM and a little 540 MB hard
drive that's been running in a corner doing the same task -- dialing out
and sharing the connection with the rest of the LAN.  That's all it
does... no programs running and the only things in the background is the
ICS server software and other apps that Windows 98 runs by default such
as Explorer and SysTray.  Checking MSInfo, it's been running without a
reboot for 57 days, 18 hours and has 92% resources free.  Windows is
remarkably stable when you don't run anything on it.  :-)

I have no doubt that Win2K could do this at least as well, but not on
such a low-end box.  Sorry to keep dragging this topic further and
further from ThinkPads... I'll stop now.

Dave


> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Van Tuyl [mailto:wvantuyl@iso.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 04:54 PM
> Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
> Subject: Re: Windows question for 760XL AND OTHERS
>
> My 2 cents.  I run Windows 98 SE with Internet
> Connection Sharing (ICS) on a TP 755C that acts
> as my internet server 24/7 ... Now, can Windows
> ME or 2000 do the same?
> [snip]


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Dave W. Beauvais [mailto:davewb0@yahoo.com]

> I have no doubt that Win2K could do this at least as well, but not on
> such a low-end box.  Sorry to keep dragging this topic further and
> further from ThinkPads... I'll stop now.

I had a venerable, but reliable, 755CD (P75, 40MB) running W2K serving the same
function as the host for my home wireless LAN.

It ran 24/7 for up to 90 days at a time and the only reason it ever went down is
because we are prone to thunderstorms here that I have learned the hard way
require not only a shutdown, but I unplug everything also.

I'm running W2K on everything now and I have _yet_ to see a BSOD. I do some
heavy duty AutoCAD 13/14 rendering that used to result in frequent re-boots,
sometimes several a day, under W98SE on both my desktop and Thinkpads.

Regards,

James


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In <NDBBJACGCLFGOLMEMFNOOEOPCOAA.davewb0@yahoo.com>, on 12/28/00 
   at 08:48 PM, "Dave W. Beauvais" <davewb0@yahoo.com> typed:

> Windows is
>remarkably stable when you don't run anything on it.  :-)

That's gotta be a classic!
 
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I hope so.  It's always nice to find a deal like that.  I just worry about 
people
getting hit by something unpleasent, likely not findable 'till months down the
road.  So if it's just the same as Dell, that's cool.

--STeve Andre'

At 12:55 PM 12/28/00 -1000, David Ross wrote:
>Judging from posts on the laptop newsgroup - mainly from users in places
>outside of Dell distribution,
>such as central Europe -  FOSA really does seem to be the same laptop as Dell
>(not just
>a similar product from the same assembler).  Of course, one might not get
>comparable support.
>
>- David R.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "STeve Andre'" <andres@msu.edu>
>To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
>Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 4:32 PM
>Subject: Re: question on price.
>
>
> > It might be the "same" on the outside, but do be very wary of it being
>anything
> > close to the quality of Dell.
> >
> > I have seen manufacturers make noname clone types of laptops, which have
> > had brand labels, sold here in the US, and another less well built 
> version of
> > it sold in Asia.  A friend who buys things for his company found a WinBook
> > or something like that along with the 'generic' version.  While they looked
> > very
> > similar at the beginning, closer investigation revealed many
> > differences--including
> > the number of screws holding things down!
> >
> > So, this FOSA might be reasonable--but remember that there are a lot of 
> clone
> > like things out there.  A laptop is really a lot harder to build than a
> > desktop: it
> > costs more money to do it right, so that makes them especially tempting
> > targets
> > for cost cutters...
> >
> > --STeve Andre'
> >
> > At 04:03 PM 12/26/00 -1000, David Ross wrote:
> > > > for HK 8000 (around $1034 US) or buy an unknown brand of Laptop (called
> > > > FOSA) with 13.1 TFT, 6Gig Hard Drive - 8 Meg Video Ram 64Meg ram &
>Inbuilt
> > > > modem.
> > >
> > >FWIW, I think FOSA is the same laptop as Dell - check deja.com on the 
> laptop
> > >newsgroup, where
> > >it has been discussed on occasion.
> > >
> > >- David R.


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Yes, Windows ME should run just as well. Probably
better than 98. It will run with the same resources
that 98 will.  The installed program is much bigger
due to more drivers, etc. but when it's running it is
actually faster. There is one limitation, when they
say the min speed is a pentium 150 or higher, they are
not kidding. A speed test will shut down the install
if it detects the speed is too slow. There is an
undocumented switch to use at startup to bypass the
test and I was able to install it on a Pentium 90 and
it runs without any problems.

--- William Van Tuyl <wvantuyl@iso.net> wrote:
> My 2 cents.  I run Windows 98 SE with Internet
> Connection Sharing (ICS) on a TP
> 755C that acts as my internet server 24/7.  If
> someone else (who just turned
> 20- alleluia no more teenagers at home) leaves his
> hands off of it, it runs for
> ??? days - I think it is on its 13rd day now w/o a
> reboot.  It dials in and
> connects smoothly  - mostly.  The 3/4 other machines
> networked to the 755C like
> it - mostly.  My main  machine started crashing
> often about 3 weeks ago.  Win
> 98?  No it was a virus, one of the emailed types. 
> When I found it and shot it
> dead, my machine returned to its original
> performance.  Rock solid?  No, but it
> doesn't crash on a regular basis, just once in
> awhile.  Shut down problems? -
> Yes  I don't get the final shut down message but I
> turn it off anyway and it
> doesn't have any problems on startup.  Now, can
> Windows ME or 2000 do the
> same?  Remember it is a 755C w/ 24 megs and a 1.2G
> HD - bare min for Win 98.
> Oh yeh, I run it with the screen turned off.


=====
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OK, what's the switch, and has anyone gotten the modem 
to work on a 600 under ME? Have tried twice, no luck at 
all
> Yes, Windows ME should run just as well. Probably
> better than 98. It will run with the same resources
> that 98 will.  The installed program is much bigger
> due to more drivers, etc. but when it's running it is
> actually faster. There is one limitation, when they
> say the min speed is a pentium 150 or higher, they are
> not kidding. A speed test will shut down the install
> if it detects the speed is too slow. There is an
> undocumented switch to use at startup to bypass the
> test and I was able to install it on a Pentium 90 and
> it runs without any problems.
> 
> --- William Van Tuyl <wvantuyl@iso.net> wrote:
> > My 2 cents.  I run Windows 98 SE with Internet
> > Connection Sharing (ICS) on a TP
> > 755C that acts as my internet server 24/7.  If
> > someone else (who just turned
> > 20- alleluia no more teenagers at home) leaves his
> > hands off of it, it runs for
> > ??? days - I think it is on its 13rd day now w/o a
> > reboot.  It dials in and
> > connects smoothly  - mostly.  The 3/4 other machines
> > networked to the 755C like
> > it - mostly.  My main  machine started crashing
> > often about 3 weeks ago.  Win
> > 98?  No it was a virus, one of the emailed types. 
> > When I found it and shot it
> > dead, my machine returned to its original
> > performance.  Rock solid?  No, but it
> > doesn't crash on a regular basis, just once in
> > awhile.  Shut down problems? -
> > Yes  I don't get the final shut down message but I
> > turn it off anyway and it
> > doesn't have any problems on startup.  Now, can
> > Windows ME or 2000 do the
> > same?  Remember it is a 755C w/ 24 megs and a 1.2G
> > HD - bare min for Win 98.
> > Oh yeh, I run it with the screen turned off.
> 
> 
> =====
> Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint Narrowband! That is, 
> when it's not DOWN! My old phone modem was faster!
> 
> __________________________________________________
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Windows Me has a built-in CPU checking function that prevents you from
installing it on computers with a CPU slower than 150 MHz. You can bypass this
check at setup by typing "setup /nm", obviously without the quotes and note the
space before the forward slash.

BUT! It's going to be slower than shit! Even with a bagful of RAM, it's going to
bog down all the time and you're going to see a lot of BSODs. In my experience,
a 150MMX seems about the lower limit. I've had it on a P90, P100, P120, P133 and
a P150. Sucked on all of them! But, I'm not a real proponent of it. To me it's
W98SE2.

Regards,

James

> -----Original Message-----
> From: scosgt@att.net [mailto:scosgt@att.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 11:25 PM
> To: Steve C.
> Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
> Subject: Re: Windows question for 760XL AND OTHERS
>
>
> OK, what's the switch, and has anyone gotten the modem
> to work on a 600 under ME? Have tried twice, no luck at
> all
> > Yes, Windows ME should run just as well. Probably
> > better than 98. It will run with the same resources
> > that 98 will.  The installed program is much bigger
> > due to more drivers, etc. but when it's running it is
> > actually faster. There is one limitation, when they
> > say the min speed is a pentium 150 or higher, they are
> > not kidding. A speed test will shut down the install
> > if it detects the speed is too slow. There is an
> > undocumented switch to use at startup to bypass the
> > test and I was able to install it on a Pentium 90 and
> > it runs without any problems.
> >
> > --- William Van Tuyl <wvantuyl@iso.net> wrote:
> > > My 2 cents.  I run Windows 98 SE with Internet
> > > Connection Sharing (ICS) on a TP
> > > 755C that acts as my internet server 24/7.  If
> > > someone else (who just turned
> > > 20- alleluia no more teenagers at home) leaves his
> > > hands off of it, it runs for
> > > ??? days - I think it is on its 13rd day now w/o a
> > > reboot.  It dials in and
> > > connects smoothly  - mostly.  The 3/4 other machines
> > > networked to the 755C like
> > > it - mostly.  My main  machine started crashing
> > > often about 3 weeks ago.  Win
> > > 98?  No it was a virus, one of the emailed types.
> > > When I found it and shot it
> > > dead, my machine returned to its original
> > > performance.  Rock solid?  No, but it
> > > doesn't crash on a regular basis, just once in
> > > awhile.  Shut down problems? -
> > > Yes  I don't get the final shut down message but I
> > > turn it off anyway and it
> > > doesn't have any problems on startup.  Now, can
> > > Windows ME or 2000 do the
> > > same?  Remember it is a 755C w/ 24 megs and a 1.2G
> > > HD - bare min for Win 98.
> > > Oh yeh, I run it with the screen turned off.
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Sprint Broadband Direct Sucks, they should call it Sprint
> Narrowband! That is,
> > when it's not DOWN! My old phone modem was faster!
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online!
> > http://photos.yahoo.com/


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At 04:03 PM 12/28/2000 -0500, STeve Andre' wrote:

>To anyone thinking of "upgrading" to ME, check to see if 2000 is supported
>Me, I'd rather have a slowly running 2000 system that didn't need reboots
>every day than something faster which auto crashes. ;-)
>

I've been running W2K on a TP760XL for several months with no problems so far.

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Thanks very much for the switch, James.  I'm sure I'll need that at some point.

...But this is *stunning*, ME not normally installing on a sub-150MHz machine;
it practically BEGS the various open source op systems to be installed on such
hardware.

--STeve Andre'

At 11:43 PM 12/28/00 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote:
>Windows Me has a built-in CPU checking function that prevents you from
>installing it on computers with a CPU slower than 150 MHz. You can bypass this
>check at setup by typing "setup /nm", obviously without the quotes and 
>note the
>space before the forward slash.
>
>BUT! It's going to be slower than shit! Even with a bagful of RAM, it's 
>going to
>bog down all the time and you're going to see a lot of BSODs. In my 
>experience,
>a 150MMX seems about the lower limit. I've had it on a P90, P100, P120, 
>P133 and
>a P150. Sucked on all of them! But, I'm not a real proponent of it. To me it's
>W98SE2.
>
>Regards,
>
>James
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scosgt@att.net [mailto:scosgt@att.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 11:25 PM
> > To: Steve C.
> > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
> > Subject: Re: Windows question for 760XL AND OTHERS
> >
> >
> > OK, what's the switch, and has anyone gotten the modem
> > to work on a 600 under ME? Have tried twice, no luck at
> > all
> > > Yes, Windows ME should run just as well. Probably
> > > better than 98. It will run with the same resources
> > > that 98 will.  The installed program is much bigger
> > > due to more drivers, etc. but when it's running it is
> > > actually faster. There is one limitation, when they
> > > say the min speed is a pentium 150 or higher, they are
> > > not kidding. A speed test will shut down the install
> > > if it detects the speed is too slow. There is an
> > > undocumented switch to use at startup to bypass the
> > > test and I was able to install it on a Pentium 90 and
> > > it runs without any problems.
> > >
> > > --- William Van Tuyl <wvantuyl@iso.net> wrote:
> > > > My 2 cents.  I run Windows 98 SE with Internet
> > > > Connection Sharing (ICS) on a TP
> > > > 755C that acts as my internet server 24/7.  If
> > > > someone else (who just turned
> > > > 20- alleluia no more teenagers at home) leaves his
> > > > hands off of it, it runs for
> > > > ??? days - I think it is on its 13rd day now w/o a
> > > > reboot.  It dials in and
> > > > connects smoothly  - mostly.  The 3/4 other machines
> > > > networked to the 755C like
> > > > it - mostly.  My main  machine started crashing
> > > > often about 3 weeks ago.  Win
> > > > 98?  No it was a virus, one of the emailed types.
> > > > When I found it and shot it
> > > > dead, my machine returned to its original
> > > > performance.  Rock solid?  No, but it
> > > > doesn't crash on a regular basis, just once in
> > > > awhile.  Shut down problems? -
> > > > Yes  I don't get the final shut down message but I
> > > > turn it off anyway and it
> > > > doesn't have any problems on startup.  Now, can
> > > > Windows ME or 2000 do the
> > > > same?  Remember it is a 755C w/ 24 megs and a 1.2G
> > > > HD - bare min for Win 98.
> > > > Oh yeh, I run it with the screen turned off.


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Funny, I've had just the opposite experience. Everyone
just hates Win98 because of the shutdown problems. At
first it seems to run better but then starts crashing
a lot. I haven't installed WinME on many pc's yet but
doing it as an upgrade may be the problem. As I
recall, upgrading from Win 3.1 to 95 didn't work too
well a lot of the time, either.
I installed it from scratch on newly formatted hard
drives and it works great (there wasn't enough space
otherwise). Doesn't seem to care how big the hard
drive is, either.  We have some pretty old machines
and I put it on two Dell's with only 1Gb hd's, a P-90
and P-100 and it runs good. Hasn't been in use long
enough yet to see if there are any other problems
turning up though.  
--- Ray Bay <canyonlands@theriver.com> wrote:
> Windows ME is not for everybody
> 
> We have installed nearly 100 copies of Windows ME
> for our customers...
> They generally hate it when done as an upgrade.  It
> only seems to
> start up faster and close down faster if you have a
> great deal of
> space on the drive...  We find on average that is is
> slower than 98 on
> machines over two years old...
> 
> Windows ME doesn't crash as often, that is true...
> and when it does,
> it handles a crash better. And it has much better
> multimedia support
> and USB support.
> 
> But Windows ME is just different enough to tic
> people off who are long
> time users of 95 or 98.  We have had excellent luck
> with Windows 98
> Second Edition... better than any other Windows
> software package.
> 
> 
> Ray


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All this talk of Win2000, I'd like to give it a go on my T20. It came with
Win98SE. 

What is the best way to upgrade to Win2K? Any chance I can get a restore
CD from IBM? Can I use a regular Win2K CD off the shelf, and download
drivers from IBM? How about disaster recovery? I really like having
restore CDs :))) Perhaps Win2K is so good I won't have to worry about
restore CDs?!? 

Also to dual boot with 98SE for games, which OS should be installed
first? Surely a FAQ, any URL's would be welcome.

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James you are wrong again and just showing your
ignorance. Obviously you haven't tried it and don't
know what you are talking about, once again!
It actually runs just fine on a P-90.
Never tried it on a crappy TP760EL with no cache,
though. That probably wouldn't be too good.

--- "James H. E. Maugham" <CaptJHEM@waterw.com> wrote:
> BUT! It's going to be slower than shit! Even with a
> bagful of RAM, it's going to
> bog down all the time and you're going to see a lot
> of BSODs. In my experience,
> a 150MMX seems about the lower limit. I've had it on
> a P90, P100, P120, P133 and
> a P150. Sucked on all of them! But, I'm not a real
> proponent of it. To me it's
> W98SE2.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> James


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Greetings everyone,

	I know Bill answered the question about using 2 - 256MB PC100
memory modules in the Thinkad 770Z 9549-8AU.  The system does show 576MB
installed while only 512MB is useable.  Another thing is that when I went
into the Bios setup and ran tests on the memory, it immediately failed
with:

DEV 002
ERR 83
FRU 2010

	Is this normal?  


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At 11:48 PM 12/28/2000 -0600, you wrote:
>All this talk of Win2000, I'd like to give it a go on my T20. It came with
>Win98SE.
>
>What is the best way to upgrade to Win2K? Any chance I can get a restore
>CD from IBM? Can I use a regular Win2K CD off the shelf, and download
>drivers from IBM? How about disaster recovery? I really like having
>restore CDs :))) Perhaps Win2K is so good I won't have to worry about
>restore CDs?!?

         I like it and use Win2K with regularity on my T20.  I installed 
with the standard Win2K Prof. install CD, and can dual-boot to the Win98 
that came with the T20.

         As for backup & restore & such, I highly recommend PowerQuest's 
products, Drive Image in particular.  The current version (4.0--released 
just a couple months ago) can save images to a CD-R drive.  I have found 
the CD-R drive you can get for the T20 to be a nicely functional device and 
used it for this purpose.  Of course, you're looking at some money to do 
that though...

         Point I should clarify:  Drive Image does not work with CD-R 
drives hooked up by USB, Firewire, or Parallel port.  It has to be a SCSI 
or IDE interface.  So it works great with the UltraBay CD-R drive you can 
get for the T20, but not with an external USB-based CD-R.

>Also to dual boot with 98SE for games, which OS should be installed
>first? Surely a FAQ, any URL's would be welcome.

         I'd install 98 first and then 2K.  Simply because 2K knows how to 
play nice with 98 when it is installed, whereas 98 thinks its the only game 
in town and can sort of mess up a Win2K installation.  Furthermore, I'd 
isolate 2K in its own NTFS partition, but maybe that's just me.

- Randy

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Thanks for the quick reply Randal. 

On Thu, 28 Dec 2000, Randal Whittle wrote:

<snip> 
>          As for backup & restore & such, I highly recommend PowerQuest's 
> products, Drive Image in particular.  The current version (4.0--released 
> just a couple months ago) can save images to a CD-R drive.  I have found 
> the CD-R drive you can get for the T20 to be a nicely functional device and 
> used it for this purpose.  Of course, you're looking at some money to do 
> that though...

Yikes, even with compression that must be a fare stack of CDs eh? Assuming
a total system crash, what do you boot from to get the restore process
going? And once going, does it just prompt you for the next CD?


>          Point I should clarify:  Drive Image does not work with CD-R 
> drives hooked up by USB, Firewire, or Parallel port.  It has to be a SCSI 
> or IDE interface.  So it works great with the UltraBay CD-R drive you can 
> get for the T20, but not with an external USB-based CD-R.

I use SCSI, so that is OK. Making the proper boot disc might be a PITA
though. How much does IBM ask for that CDRW?

Any thoughts on Ghost? I have Norton Ghost 5.1c, which came in handy a
couple of times when I switched laptop drives.

>          I'd install 98 first and then 2K.  Simply because 2K knows how to 
> play nice with 98 when it is installed, whereas 98 thinks its the only game 
> in town and can sort of mess up a Win2K installation.  Furthermore, I'd 
> isolate 2K in its own NTFS partition, but maybe that's just me.

Does that mean 98 and 2K can live on the same partition? I have a 12 gig
drive, so I'd rather not slice it up if I don't have to. Of course I can
just forget about 98, since I play games once a month if that.

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well..!
i did not test the memory.. did not want to spend the hour or so it would
take..
and that 770Z is now someplace in the UK or on its way to athens..
when i did the same thing on my 770Z before i sold it, i ran it, under
win98..
all apps ran fine.. but i did not run for all that long.. just long enough
to see if things ran..

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Subject: ThinkPad 770Z Memory Question Continued


> Greetings everyone,
>
> I know Bill answered the question about using 2 - 256MB PC100
> memory modules in the Thinkad 770Z 9549-8AU.  The system does show 576MB
> installed while only 512MB is useable.  Another thing is that when I went
> into the Bios setup and ran tests on the memory, it immediately failed
> with:
>
> DEV 002
> ERR 83
> FRU 2010
>
> Is this normal?
>
>
> Cheers,
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On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Bill Morrow wrote:

> well..!
> i did not test the memory.. did not want to spend the hour or so it would
> take..

	It didn't take more than 5 seconds to be honest...

> and that 770Z is now someplace in the UK or on its way to athens..
> when i did the same thing on my 770Z before i sold it, i ran it, under
> win98..
> all apps ran fine.. but i did not run for all that long.. just long enough
> to see if things ran..

	Things are running fine... It fails memory test in Norton
SystemWorks 2001's Norton Diagnostic Memory tester as well...  I guess
maybe there is actually 576MB of ram but only 512MB there...  Oh well,
atleast it's good to know that the 256MB memory modules or any modules for
the A20/21P will work on both the 770Z and even the Dull - I mean Dell
Inspiron 8000.  Were the 256MB memory modules you tested with just two big
square chips on each side?   In Cadence magazine, the A21P lost because of
it's limited 16MB Video RAM which required lowering the resolution to do
complex graphics.  That's the area the Dell had the edge on.  The Dell
however didn't support undocking without suspending first... and yes, the
Hitachi DVD now is capable of being region free..


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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vincent Poy" <vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET>
> To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 12:08 AM
> Subject: ThinkPad 770Z Memory Question Continued
> 
> 
> > Greetings everyone,
> >
> > I know Bill answered the question about using 2 - 256MB PC100
> > memory modules in the Thinkad 770Z 9549-8AU.  The system does show 576MB
> > installed while only 512MB is useable.  Another thing is that when I went
> > into the Bios setup and ran tests on the memory, it immediately failed
> > with:
> >
> > DEV 002
> > ERR 83
> > FRU 2010
> >
> > Is this normal?
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President             ________   __
> ____
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> >
> >
> 
> 


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Subject: Re: Is my mainboard dead or just the Bios
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Thanks for the advice on looking for the manuals, I have already found them.
You are right, they do not give much help for hardware problems.

> i apologise if this sounds rude, but that machine is hardly worth
> repairing..
> strip it and find a much better machine for the cost in time and $$ to
> repair it..
>
At this point if I can get away for under $100 in parts and do the labor
myself I am up on the game, no matter how long it takes me.  It is always
fun to have a project right?

Thanks for the response

Greg




> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg F" <claws24@home.com>
> To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 4:00 PM
> Subject: Is my mainboard dead or just the Bios
>
>
> > The unit posts and displays the ram check
> > fine. Gives me the 'IBM Thinkpad" in big
> > letters, then the LCD goes blank.
> >
> > No amount of pressing Fn + F7 gets the LCD on.  With an external monitor
> it
> > does cycle it on and off normally. (well with the exception of the LCD
> > staying blank.)
> >
> > The unit works fine with an external monitor.
> > If I run the diagnostics I get everything is OK.
> >
> > I have double and triple checked resolution
> > settings and color depth. I have updated to
> > the most recent video driver for windows. I
> > have tried a dos boot floppy, all the same
> > result.
> >
> > Could this be a bios problem? I am a little
> > scared to flash the bios since I have never
> > done one before.
> >
> > If it is a hardware problem where would I
> > start? The only thing I could think of would
> > be the main board, but the diagnostics say it
> > is fine. I have pulled the unit open to
> > check the connections and cables, everything
> > is well seated and undamaged.
> >
> > Could this be caused by the extra memory simms installed?
> >
> > The unit is a 365x with a Dual Scan screen.
> > P133
> > 40 Meg Ram
> > Internal CD Rom
> > All PC cards removed
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > Apologies if I have already posted to this forum, I have been trying
> > everywhere and starting to lose track of where I have and have not been.
> >
> >
> >
>
>


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At 12:18 AM 12/29/2000 -0600, you wrote:
><snip>
> >          As for backup & restore & such, I highly recommend PowerQuest's
> > products, Drive Image in particular.  The current version (4.0--released
> > just a couple months ago) can save images to a CD-R drive.  I have found
> > the CD-R drive you can get for the T20 to be a nicely functional device 
> and
> > used it for this purpose.  Of course, you're looking at some money to do
> > that though...
>
>Yikes, even with compression that must be a fare stack of CDs eh? Assuming
>a total system crash, what do you boot from to get the restore process
>going? And once going, does it just prompt you for the next CD?

         Its cheap, and relatively quick.  As for a stack of CD's...not too 
much more than tapes, wouldn't you say?  And certainly cheaper (and 
quicker).  Most of my laptop partitions are only a few GB anyway, so that's 
usually 2 to 4 or 5 CD's (it compresses by about 40 to 50%, and its 
data-only--so a 1 GB partition with 850 MB of info might fit on a single CD.)

> >          Point I should clarify:  Drive Image does not work with CD-R
> > drives hooked up by USB, Firewire, or Parallel port.  It has to be a SCSI
> > or IDE interface.  So it works great with the UltraBay CD-R drive you can
> > get for the T20, but not with an external USB-based CD-R.
>
>I use SCSI, so that is OK. Making the proper boot disc might be a PITA
>though. How much does IBM ask for that CDRW?

         I think I paid a bit less than $400.  It ain't cheap, but it is 
built-in.  If you have a SCSI one anyway, you should be able to use 
that.  I had another reason for the built-in CD-R, else I'd have not spent 
the $.  Needed it for presentations--my laptop travels with me for that 
purpose, and an external CD-R device was too much bulk/trouble (I got one 
of those $80 USB clearance Sonys and found it was too much bulky trouble to 
bring for this purpose).

>Any thoughts on Ghost? I have Norton Ghost 5.1c, which came in handy a
>couple of times when I switched laptop drives.

         Only that Ghost is supposedly faster (though I think Drive Image 
has picked up a lot of speed in ver. 4.0) and that Drive Image can read 
Ghost files.

> >          I'd install 98 first and then 2K.  Simply because 2K knows how to
> > play nice with 98 when it is installed, whereas 98 thinks its the only 
> game
> > in town and can sort of mess up a Win2K installation.  Furthermore, I'd
> > isolate 2K in its own NTFS partition, but maybe that's just me.
>
>Does that mean 98 and 2K can live on the same partition?

         Its not recommended, but I believe someone here has done it.

>  I have a 12 gig
>drive, so I'd rather not slice it up if I don't have to. Of course I can
>just forget about 98, since I play games once a month if that.

         For me its mostly a "backup" OS, but I do regularly boot to Win2K.

- Randy


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From: "James H. E. Maugham" <CaptJHEM@waterw.com>
To: "Mitchell Leben" <mitch@leben.com>, <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Subject: RE: T20 and Win2K
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Mitch,

Mitchell Leben [mailto:mitch@leben.com] wrote:

> What is the best way to upgrade to Win2K? Any chance I can get a restore
> CD from IBM? Can I use a regular Win2K CD off the shelf, and download
> drivers from IBM? How about disaster recovery? I really like having
> restore CDs :))) Perhaps Win2K is so good I won't have to worry about
> restore CDs?!?

See here: http://www.thinkpads.com/hints.htm for some thoughts on installing W2K
in a dual boot with W98 and keeping the ability to use the W98 restore CD.

With W2K's ability to boot from the CD and run a repair utility, you almost
don't need a separate restore CD. There were a number of T20s that came with W2K
installed, so I'd check eBay for a restore CD if that's the way you want to go.
But setting up W2K in a dual boot is so easy, I prefer to have a retail copy
around if only for the ability to use it on my desktop also (well, OK, I
actually have an NFR copy from the Beta program, but it's the same effect). This
is legal BTW, as MS allows you to have one copy of their programs on your
desktop and a copy on your laptop provided both systems aren't used at the same
time in two different places or by two different users.

Big Blue has a ton of W2K drivers up on the web for the T20:
http://www.pc.ibm.com/qtechinfo/MIGR-4JSQHB.html and supports it fully on the
T20/21.

> Also to dual boot with 98SE for games, which OS should be installed
> first? Surely a FAQ, any URL's would be welcome.

Definitely install W98 first!

Regards,

James


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I've got a 760XL and need to install a 32 meg simm of RAM.
Is there a url on the web that has pictures and instructions to accomplish
this?
I bought this use without a manual and although I'm not entirely PC
illiterate, I do need a little "hand holding".

;-)

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From: John Poltorak <jp@eyup.org>
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In the past I have been able to access various types of PCMCIA storage
under OS/2. It's months since I last tried, and I've changed lots of
things around and now I can't access my IBM Microdrive, SanDisk CF cards,
or my CallunaCard.

Can anyone suggest which drivers are required to access these devices?

I tried installing the latest PCMCIA support for OS/2 from IBM, but it
wouldn't initially install on my TP760C - complained about a missing
IBM2SS01.SYS. There's only a SS04 and SS14 in the package. How do I
tell if either of these is suitable?


When the Microdrive is inserted, PC Card Director shows it as 'In'
rather than 'Ready' and no drive letter is assigned to it.

Is this a problem with IRQs and suchlike?

Do I need to do anything with the BIOS, or ThinkPad Configuration?

A couple of free drive letters are allocated, but I can't see any way
of using them.

Do I need to make any changes to the parameters used by IBM1S506.ADD?

This all did work at one point, but now, the only storage device I
can use is an Intel Flash card (not CF), which grabs the E: drive letter
and is readible without any problems at all.


Any suggestions as to how to enable usage of these cards would be
welcomed...

--
John



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Hi Mick,

This is kind of an uninformed response, but I had a lot of freezes with my
770Z - sometimes when surfing, sometimes in MSWord.  There was no apparent
reason to be found.  I asked people whether it could be a memory issue (the
770Z had its original 128 mb which tested out fine).  I was told that the
memory could be bad, even though it tested well, and this would cause
freezes.  As for whether 128 mb was enough memory, everyone - many
knowledgeable people - told me that it was plenty, particularly for the kind
of programs I was running and at my low to moderate level of multitasking.
I subsequently bought another 128 mb of memory, when the price was too good
to pass up, bringing my 770Z memory to 256 mb.  I have not had a freeze up
since.

Your mileage may vary, but I thought it proper to let you know of this
experience.

								Best, Jeff



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Subject: Re: 770x freezes when websurfing
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For what it's worth, I haven't experienced any significant web freezes, that
is to say, nothing I haven't experienced on another machine. My 770z is
stock with the exception of an upgrade from the factory installed 98 to 98SE
and MSIE 5.50xxxx

Have you noticed if your freezes come from Java intence sites?  If you're
browser needs upgrading or if you're security options are set in a
particular way, this could contribute.  At one time, due to some of my
configurations, I would experience "lock-ups" as a result of this,
especially if the website administrator has some poorly formed scriptings.

There are many other potential causes for possible freezups, that are
software based.

Just my .02 cents worth . . .    "Hey anybody got change for a nickel?


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Baker" <plumbush2@mediaone.net>
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> Hi Mick,
>
> This is kind of an uninformed response, but I had a lot of freezes with my
> 770Z - sometimes when surfing, sometimes in MSWord.  There was no apparent
> reason to be found.  I asked people whether it could be a memory issue
(the
> 770Z had its original 128 mb which tested out fine).  I was told that the
> memory could be bad, even though it tested well, and this would cause
> freezes.  As for whether 128 mb was enough memory, everyone - many
> knowledgeable people - told me that it was plenty, particularly for the
kind
> of programs I was running and at my low to moderate level of multitasking.
> I subsequently bought another 128 mb of memory, when the price was too
good
> to pass up, bringing my 770Z memory to 256 mb.  I have not had a freeze up
> since.
>
> Your mileage may vary, but I thought it proper to let you know of this
> experience.
>
> Best, Jeff
>
>


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I've seen this kind of thing too, on Think Pads and other machines.

It may be the case that your adding additional ram has only masked
your problem and hasn't really fixed it.  I'll explain.

Windows if left to its own defaults, creates a swap file of nearly random size
and expands and contacts it as needed.  While this might seem reasonable
on the surface, two problems arise from this: 1) the swap file gets fragmented
on the disk, ie it isn't contiguous after some number of expansions, such that
I/O to the swap file is very much slowed down. 2) The file is often resized at
strange times, with the sizing not making much sense.  I have seen cases
where the swap file would be grown twice within a matter of minutes, when I
wasn't doing anything that justified the larger swap file size.

For me, on all the Windows boxes I maintain (Think Pads and Dell's mostly),
I have found that making a static size swap file is the best way to go.  I 
always
make them at least 256M, and 512M if I think the user is going to actually do
lots of stuff.  Given the size of disks these days 512M of space isn't a 
lot.  I
then get Norton's utility and run the "speed disk" program to straighten out
the file system, including the swap file.  A fragmented swap file is more than
slow--there are bugs in Windows where a program attempting to free memory
will crash when using a fragmented swap file--Eudora and Word Perfect 8 were
common victims of this.  A fixed, contiguous swap file is also faster to deal
with.

There is no MS supplied defrag program that touches hidden/system files
that I know of, which is why I use Norton's utilities.

So Jeff, I have to wonder if the addition of your memory hasn't simply made
the swapping situation go away.  I wouldn't be surprised if it has.  Remember
this if things start going nuts again after the next generation of software you
use starts crashing. ;-)

--STeve Andre'

At 12:48 PM 12/29/00 -0500, Jeffrey Baker wrote:
>Hi Mick,
>
>This is kind of an uninformed response, but I had a lot of freezes with my
>770Z - sometimes when surfing, sometimes in MSWord.  There was no apparent
>reason to be found.  I asked people whether it could be a memory issue (the
>770Z had its original 128 mb which tested out fine).  I was told that the
>memory could be bad, even though it tested well, and this would cause
>freezes.  As for whether 128 mb was enough memory, everyone - many
>knowledgeable people - told me that it was plenty, particularly for the kind
>of programs I was running and at my low to moderate level of multitasking.
>I subsequently bought another 128 mb of memory, when the price was too good
>to pass up, bringing my 770Z memory to 256 mb.  I have not had a freeze up
>since.
>
>Your mileage may vary, but I thought it proper to let you know of this
>experience.
>
>                                                                 Best, Jeff


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I have an external CDRom Drive which connects via the Parallel Port.
I've been told that the port can be set as Bi-directional, EPP and ECP
and I need ECP. How do I alter my Bios, no problem on my Desktop
Computer, but how do I do it on the Thinkpad? The OS I have installed is
Mandrake 7.0 Linux, and I've found out that pressing F1 when I put the
power on brings up the Easy Setup, but how do I alter the Bios? Sorry if
it's a stupid, obvious answer question, but not to me!

Happy New Year to Everyone

Terry




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Season's Greetings One and All.

One more attempt at the following request:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sorry to ask this perennial question but does anyone have the URL for
the ThinkPad parts catalog?  Does one still exist?

Thanks,
David Jones

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At 11:54 AM 12/29/2000 -0700, David Jones wrote:

>Sorry to ask this perennial question but does anyone have the URL for
>the ThinkPad parts catalog?  Does one still exist?
>

I don't know of one, and the URL that I had for the Boulder Parts Center
doesn't work anymore.  However, if you profile the machine, Parts
Information will be listed in the menu items.  For my 600, it leads to an
exploded diagram with all the part numbers.

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For everyone here who goes to my ThinkPad Assistant site,
here is the new URL for now:

http://63.222.88.207/thinkpad/index.html

Eventually I'll get my domain up.

Paul



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At 05:37 AM 12/29/2000 -0800, wwotr wrote:

>I've got a 760XL and need to install a 32 meg simm of RAM.
>Is there a url on the web that has pictures and instructions to accomplish
>this?
>I bought this use without a manual and although I'm not entirely PC
>illiterate, I do need a little "hand holding".
>

First, if you haven't already, go to http://www.pc.ibm.com/support and
select Personalize Your Support Experience under Profile on the right side
of that page.  Enter all the information about your 760XL, and IBM will
create your own personal support page.  Bookmark this page, and remember
your login id and password.

Once you've done that, the Hardware Maintenance Manual for your model
should be found in the Online Publications selection in the column on the
left side of the page.

However, installing memory is not difficult in the 760XL.  Raise the
keyboard by sliding the side latches back towards the screen, remove the
HDD, lift the flap covering the memory compartment, and install the memory.

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On Fri, 29 Dec 2000 16:54:29 +0000, John Poltorak wrote:

>In the past I have been able to access various types of PCMCIA storage
>under OS/2. It's months since I last tried, and I've changed lots of
>things around and now I can't access my IBM Microdrive, SanDisk CF cards,
>or my CallunaCard.

If i remember correctly, you need all the special drivers loaded in
the config, like the PCM2ATA.ADD. Read the readme.txt for more info. The
installation program adds them by default.

If you want, i can send you a copy of PC Card Director 5.0 which also
has Cardbus support and all the latest versions of the storage drivers.

þ H.I.C. & D.B.S. þ OS/2 Warp þ Hellas þ
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My collection of cassette music tapes are starting to worry me, so I'm
thinking about transferring them to MP3 or making regular audio CDs
out of them.  Any pointers?  Do I need any special equipment?  I think
I'll go down to the pawn shop and see if they have a decent tape deck
(I don't even own one).  There seems to be a bunch of software for
doing this.  Would something like Gold Wave be a good choice?  I don't
need fancy, but a good quality program that could take out some of the
tape hiss would be nice since the music will be worth it.

Thanks!

Bob



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Vince..
the 256meg DIMM's i tested (tried, actually) were:
1. goldenram, 16very small chips, 8 per side...

2. IBM - Mitac(i think), also 16 chips, 8 per side..

i had to upgrade the bios for the 770Z to recognise the 256meg parts..

----- Original Message -----
From: "Vincent Poy" <vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET>
To: "Bill Morrow" <penzance@gate.net>
Cc: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z Memory Question Continued


> On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Bill Morrow wrote:
>
> > well..!
> > i did not test the memory.. did not want to spend the hour or so it
would
> > take..
>
> It didn't take more than 5 seconds to be honest...
>
> > and that 770Z is now someplace in the UK or on its way to athens..
> > when i did the same thing on my 770Z before i sold it, i ran it, under
> > win98..
> > all apps ran fine.. but i did not run for all that long.. just long
enough
> > to see if things ran..
>
> Things are running fine... It fails memory test in Norton
> SystemWorks 2001's Norton Diagnostic Memory tester as well...  I guess
> maybe there is actually 576MB of ram but only 512MB there...  Oh well,
> atleast it's good to know that the 256MB memory modules or any modules for
> the A20/21P will work on both the 770Z and even the Dull - I mean Dell
> Inspiron 8000.  Were the 256MB memory modules you tested with just two big
> square chips on each side?   In Cadence magazine, the A21P lost because of
> it's limited 16MB Video RAM which required lowering the resolution to do
> complex graphics.  That's the area the Dell had the edge on.  The Dell
> however didn't support undocking without suspending first... and yes, the
> Hitachi DVD now is capable of being region free..
>
>
> Cheers,
> Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President             ________   __
____
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>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Vincent Poy" <vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET>
> > To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
> > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 12:08 AM
> > Subject: ThinkPad 770Z Memory Question Continued
> >
> >
> > > Greetings everyone,
> > >
> > > I know Bill answered the question about using 2 - 256MB PC100
> > > memory modules in the Thinkad 770Z 9549-8AU.  The system does show
576MB
> > > installed while only 512MB is useable.  Another thing is that when I
went
> > > into the Bios setup and ran tests on the memory, it immediately failed
> > > with:
> > >
> > > DEV 002
> > > ERR 83
> > > FRU 2010
> > >
> > > Is this normal?
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President             ________   __
> > ____
> > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / |  /
> > [__  ]
> > > WurldLink Corporation                                  / / / /  | /  |
> > __] ]
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> > __] ]
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>


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On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Bill Morrow wrote:

Hello Bill:

> Vince..
> the 256meg DIMM's i tested (tried, actually) were:
> 1. goldenram, 16very small chips, 8 per side...
> 
> 2. IBM - Mitac(i think), also 16 chips, 8 per side..

	That's pretty interesting...  The ones I am trying out are Crucial
branded but the chips don't say Micron, it just says 256MB PC100 on
it.  It has Helios1 on the board itself and there are 2 of those chips per
side that is about 1/2" square.  Maybe it's a new type of memory.

> i had to upgrade the bios for the 770Z to recognise the 256meg parts..


Cheers,
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vincent Poy" <vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET>
> To: "Bill Morrow" <penzance@gate.net>
> Cc: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 1:00 AM
> Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z Memory Question Continued
> 
> 
> > On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Bill Morrow wrote:
> >
> > > well..!
> > > i did not test the memory.. did not want to spend the hour or so it
> would
> > > take..
> >
> > It didn't take more than 5 seconds to be honest...
> >
> > > and that 770Z is now someplace in the UK or on its way to athens..
> > > when i did the same thing on my 770Z before i sold it, i ran it, under
> > > win98..
> > > all apps ran fine.. but i did not run for all that long.. just long
> enough
> > > to see if things ran..
> >
> > Things are running fine... It fails memory test in Norton
> > SystemWorks 2001's Norton Diagnostic Memory tester as well...  I guess
> > maybe there is actually 576MB of ram but only 512MB there...  Oh well,
> > atleast it's good to know that the 256MB memory modules or any modules for
> > the A20/21P will work on both the 770Z and even the Dull - I mean Dell
> > Inspiron 8000.  Were the 256MB memory modules you tested with just two big
> > square chips on each side?   In Cadence magazine, the A21P lost because of
> > it's limited 16MB Video RAM which required lowering the resolution to do
> > complex graphics.  That's the area the Dell had the edge on.  The Dell
> > however didn't support undocking without suspending first... and yes, the
> > Hitachi DVD now is capable of being region free..
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President             ________   __
> ____
> > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / |  /
> [__  ]
> > WurldLink Corporation                                  / / / /  | /  |
> __] ]
> > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong                  / / / / / |/ / |
> __] ]
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> /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____]
> > Almighty1@IRC - oahu.DAL.NET Hawaii's DALnet IRC Network Server Admin
> >
> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Vincent Poy" <vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET>
> > > To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 12:08 AM
> > > Subject: ThinkPad 770Z Memory Question Continued
> > >
> > >
> > > > Greetings everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I know Bill answered the question about using 2 - 256MB PC100
> > > > memory modules in the Thinkad 770Z 9549-8AU.  The system does show
> 576MB
> > > > installed while only 512MB is useable.  Another thing is that when I
> went
> > > > into the Bios setup and ran tests on the memory, it immediately failed
> > > > with:
> > > >
> > > > DEV 002
> > > > ERR 83
> > > > FRU 2010
> > > >
> > > > Is this normal?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President             ________   __
> > > ____
> > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / |  /
> > > [__  ]
> > > > WurldLink Corporation                                  / / / /  | /  |
> > > __] ]
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> > > __] ]
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> > > /_/_/_/_/|___/|_|[____]
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 


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On Sat, 30 Dec 2000, Bill Morrow wrote:

Bill,

	Forgot to ask but what version of the BIOS did you upgrade to
since I thought the latest one is on:

www.pc.ibm.com/us/support/thinkpad/tpopsys.html


Cheers,
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> Vince..
> the 256meg DIMM's i tested (tried, actually) were:
> 1. goldenram, 16very small chips, 8 per side...
> 
> 2. IBM - Mitac(i think), also 16 chips, 8 per side..
> 
> i had to upgrade the bios for the 770Z to recognise the 256meg parts..
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vincent Poy" <vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET>
> To: "Bill Morrow" <penzance@gate.net>
> Cc: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 1:00 AM
> Subject: Re: ThinkPad 770Z Memory Question Continued
> 
> 
> > On Fri, 29 Dec 2000, Bill Morrow wrote:
> >
> > > well..!
> > > i did not test the memory.. did not want to spend the hour or so it
> would
> > > take..
> >
> > It didn't take more than 5 seconds to be honest...
> >
> > > and that 770Z is now someplace in the UK or on its way to athens..
> > > when i did the same thing on my 770Z before i sold it, i ran it, under
> > > win98..
> > > all apps ran fine.. but i did not run for all that long.. just long
> enough
> > > to see if things ran..
> >
> > Things are running fine... It fails memory test in Norton
> > SystemWorks 2001's Norton Diagnostic Memory tester as well...  I guess
> > maybe there is actually 576MB of ram but only 512MB there...  Oh well,
> > atleast it's good to know that the 256MB memory modules or any modules for
> > the A20/21P will work on both the 770Z and even the Dull - I mean Dell
> > Inspiron 8000.  Were the 256MB memory modules you tested with just two big
> > square chips on each side?   In Cadence magazine, the A21P lost because of
> > it's limited 16MB Video RAM which required lowering the resolution to do
> > complex graphics.  That's the area the Dell had the edge on.  The Dell
> > however didn't support undocking without suspending first... and yes, the
> > Hitachi DVD now is capable of being region free..
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President             ________   __
> ____
> > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / |  /
> [__  ]
> > WurldLink Corporation                                  / / / /  | /  |
> __] ]
> > San Francisco - Honolulu - Hong Kong                  / / / / / |/ / |
> __] ]
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> >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Vincent Poy" <vince@pele.WURLDLINK.NET>
> > > To: <thinkpad@cs.utk.edu>
> > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 12:08 AM
> > > Subject: ThinkPad 770Z Memory Question Continued
> > >
> > >
> > > > Greetings everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I know Bill answered the question about using 2 - 256MB PC100
> > > > memory modules in the Thinkad 770Z 9549-8AU.  The system does show
> 576MB
> > > > installed while only 512MB is useable.  Another thing is that when I
> went
> > > > into the Bios setup and ran tests on the memory, it immediately failed
> > > > with:
> > > >
> > > > DEV 002
> > > > ERR 83
> > > > FRU 2010
> > > >
> > > > Is this normal?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Vince - vince@WURLDLINK.NET - Vice President             ________   __
> > > ____
> > > > Unix Networking Operations - FreeBSD-Real Unix for Free / / / / |  /
> > > [__  ]
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Thanks Chris. I had the manual, but didn't look through it before posting :)

Clint


>I don't know how the supervisor password is removed.
>
>As far as disassembling the machine, go to ibm.com/support and
>get your model's Hardware Maintenance Manual. It will have complete
>instructions for replacing every part of the machine.
>
>Good luck,
>Chris


----- Original Message -----
From: <finnigan@ihug.com.au>
To: <THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 6:34 AM
Subject: [TP390E] Supervisor Password



> Hello all, I am new to this list. I am a 21 year old Computer
Engineering
> Student residing in Melbourne, Australia.
>
> I was recently given the laptop by a friend because the password on it
was
> prohibiting any use of the computer - as such it was of no use to her.
After
> trawling many sites and searching this list (and emailing directly to
one
> subscriber) I have determined that it is a Supervisor Password which has
been
> set on the computer. I have tried the technique outlined in the hardware
manual
> for the Power-On password (removing the backup battery and powerpack for
20
> minutes) which failed, so it must be the Supervisor Password.
>
> I have visited two sites:
> http://www.nortek.on.ca/nortek/hdd_pw.html#Power
> http://homestead.deja.com/user.alfair/
> which say they can remove the password for a price.
>
> Does anyone else know the techniques in which they employ to do this? It
would
> be greatly appreciated as I am a student and cannot afford the cost -
the laptop
> would certainly help out my Uni studies.
>
> Secondly, I cannot open the laptop to get inside at 'the guts'. I have
removed
> EVERY! screw but to no avail. The keyboard half lifts off in the top
right hand
> corner, but thats it.. any help here would also be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Clint
>
>


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Steve,

I thought that may have been the case; a type of non-volatile memory used. I 
have looked at the mainboard but dont know which type or which chip is used. If 
I recall corectly, there was a chip with PIC written on it (may or may not be 
the programmable one). Do you have any further info?

>you have to be VERY
>comfortable with soldering tiny surface mount I.C.s

hehe.. yeah, im going to have to be, 'cause when I pulled it apart, I broke the 
little pins that the mouse thin ribbon goes into :( So thats 12 joints to fix.

Thanks.
Clint


>One of the ways they do it is to change the little
>memory chip that stores the password. You can buy just
>the chip if you want to change it yourself. I saw them
>for sale on a website once for about $35-40 or so.
>Don't remember the website right now but you could do
>a search and probably find it. You have to be VERY
>comfortable with soldering tiny surface mount I.C.s
>but you might be able to find a repair shop that can
>do it for you.
>--- finnigan@ihug.com.au wrote:
> 
> I have visited two sites:
> http://www.nortek.on.ca/nortek/hdd_pw.html#Power
> http://homestead.deja.com/user.alfair/
> which say they can remove the password for a price. 
> 
> Does anyone else know the techniques in which they
> employ to do this? It would  
> be greatly appreciated as I am a student and cannot
> afford the cost - the laptop 
> would certainly help out my Uni studies.



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At 08:38 PM 12/29/2000 , you wrote:

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How can I format PCMCIA drives to something other than FAT? My specific
problem is trying to get a 520 MB Calluna drive to accept an HPFS format
under OS/2 (W4fp14) but I've run into the same problem under Linux (and
Win98 doesn't seem to understand anything other than a FAT16 format for
removable drives).

Any tips or pointers to a net resource are much appreciated.

Happy new year to all,



Michael Cole

.... Squeaking  (http://www.squeak.org)

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On Sat, Dec 30, 2000 at 01:21:03PM -0500, cole@griffoninc.com wrote:
> How can I format PCMCIA drives to something other than FAT? My specific
> problem is trying to get a 520 MB Calluna drive to accept an HPFS format
> under OS/2 (W4fp14) but I've run into the same problem under Linux (and
> Win98 doesn't seem to understand anything other than a FAT16 format for
> removable drives).
>
> Any tips or pointers to a net resource are much appreciated.

It can be done, because I have both a Maxtor Type III 105MB and
Calluna Type II 260MB drives both formatted as HPFS, but I don't
recall precisely what I did. It took a lot of trial and error,
but I seem to remember booting from floppy and having to remove
the hard disk, then running FDISK to create a Boot Manager partition.
Once you have that in place, create a partition, reboot and run
FORMAT c: /fs:hpfs.

It may not be quite as straightforward as that, but if you do
manage to get BM installed you should be able to continue from
there.

Best of luck!


> Happy new year to all,
>
>
>
> Michael Cole
>
> .... Squeaking  (http://www.squeak.org)

--
John



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I just have a lowly 760ED, but I had similar problems and was
able to solve them. In my case, the problems got worse after I
added more RAM. This is just a guess, but is worth a try for you.

I think that what is happening is that the machine has too many
interrupt driven processes going on. On the 760ED this is made
worse by the yucky Mwave modem and sound system. In my case, use
of a PCMCIA wireless card to surf the web was causing lockups
during intense activity periods, such as when I would move the
cursor during a long download. Here is what I would do for a
start. You can undo some of these things later and see what
happens. I am not familiar with the 770, so some of this may not
apply.

1) Check in the device manager to see if you are sharing any
interrupts. You especially don't want to be sharing very
intensively used interrupts like the video interrupt. If you can,
turn off some devices that you don't use like the IR port or
serial port or parallel port to free some up.

2) Comment out the Mwave DOS sound driver that might be in your
config.sys.

3) Turn off delayed disk writes in the performance tab for
Windows. Doing this completely fixed my 760ED. This also may be
why adding more RAM to the machine made the problem worse; with
more RAM the system buffers more data before writing out, and has
a bigger chance of loosing interrupts when it does. You can turn
this back on later, just try it.

4) If the 770 is like the 760, run the thinkpad setup and don't
assign a PCI interrupt to the video system. Sounds crazy, I know.
On my machine, this works fine; all software including capture
and playback still work with the interrupt not assigned. All
those video interrupts really bog down your system, and might
cause an interrupt to be lost causing a lockup.

Hope this helps, it did for me.
Bryan

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Radio Shack has the adapter for $19.95 but you have to
supply the cables.  

--- Mike Lingenfelter <mlingen@charter.net> wrote:
> Forgive my feeble attempt at juvenile humor.
> 
> The recent thread regarding S-video to RCA got me
> searching for a the
> solution to the same problem.  I will have 90+
> teachers running around next
> year with laptops and I need to provide them with
> the ability to connect to
> a TV for PowerPoint and similar modes of
> instruction.  I found this company:
> 
>  http://www.svideotorca.com/videoware/ib.html
> 
> that has just the cable, from 6 to 24 foot lengths
> for $21.  As opposed to
> $20 for the 5" IBM cable!  This cable also has
> sound.  Sure beats buying a
> $150 FOCUS box that only does video.
> 
> Mike Lingenfelter
> Network Administrator/
> Technology  Coordinator
> Bellwood Antis School District
> 
> 
> @home w/Charter Pipeline High Speed Access
> 


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From: "Matt Winston" <mattwinston@iconnect.net>
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My 560E has decided that FDD-1 does not exist. Not found in setup, or when
operating system is loaded. It is however; recognized (as FDD-2) when the
floppy is directly attached to the port replicator, rather than the laptop.
Not sure why. Bios is the latest version, machine has not been damaged,
everything else works fine. I'm hoping someone has an easy fix, since I
can't use my parallel port cd-rom (scsi driver) while attached to the port
replicator.
Thanks in advance for your assistance.
Matt Winston



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From: "Allan Ballard" <aballard@ix.netcom.com>
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I have been using Drive Copy to clone a backup drive on
my 760XL running Windose 95 OSR2.

Now I find it just won't work on a larger drive, size 6.4 gig,
apparently due to FAT limitations.

Can anyone recommend an application that will clone a
6.4 gig drive into a bootable backup "clone?"

I merely want to duplicate one 6.4 gig drive onto another.

Allan Ballard



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Just thought I'd wish everyone on this list a Happy New Year,
and thanks for all your help over the best year.  

Paul



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Matt, thanks for your reply. I think that
Drive Image must be a successor to
Drive Copy and will try that.

My email to you has been halted by
your SpamCop, and I am not jumping
through some hoops to get registered
by yet another group, so there it will
languish - in the dead legitimate email
file.

Anyway, thanks again.
  Allan Ballard


On Sat, 30 Dec 2000 16:09:52 -0500, Allan Ballard wrote:

>I have been using Drive Copy to clone a backup drive on
>my 760XL running Windose 95 OSR2.
>
>Now I find it just won't work on a larger drive, size 6.4 gig,
>apparently due to FAT limitations.
>
>Can anyone recommend an application that will clone a
>6.4 gig drive into a bootable backup "clone?"
>
>I merely want to duplicate one 6.4 gig drive onto another.
>
>Allan Ballard
>
>




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I am hoping somebody can help me with some incredibly naive
questions.  I spend my Sundays helping the elderly between Tucson and
the Mexican border with computer repairs and help.

I have a couple of "clients" for whom I had to reformat and reinstall
their hard drive.  All of their Internet connections were with America
On Line.  They have had their own aol account for three years, but
don't have any disks or paperwork to get me started... all they know
is their password and their email address.

What do I download from their corrupted disk so that relevant files
can be placed into the AOL version I install?

Can anybody tell me if I can connect them to AOL without installing
this burdensome AOL 6.0 disk that people complain about?  Is 6.0 the
best to use? I remember somebody on this list suggesting that Versions
4.0 and 5.0 were better.

Are there DNS numbers for ingoing and outgoing mail or what server
information does one use?  SMTP etc.

How would I find out the AOL phone numbers for their Tucson servers?


I am fairly well versed in other internet, but have avoided AOL since
they started sending me those disks about 1984.

If anybody can help me with setup questions, we would all be grateful.

I know that relevant information is not too likely on New Years eve,
but these old people would feel connected to the world if I wasn't so
stoopid.

Ray

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AOL has great telephone Tech support if today's experience is any
proof.

Looks like I have to use the AOL disk to set up my client's account.

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After finally reinstalling Win98 (my system was a turtle), I'm pleased 
with the speed again, but one odd problem.  I have IR set up which 
works flawlessly to synch with my Palm.  But now (and this didn't 
happen prior to the reinstall), resuming from either hibernate of 
suspend kills off the virtual IR port.  I get a dialogue box that says 
something to the effect that "Hotsync [the Palm app] cannot find 
Com Port 4 [which is the virtual IR port].  Please make sure that 
Com 4 is available."  Sure enough, then, when checking Device 
Manager, under Com ports, the virtual IR com port is no longer 
there.  A reboot fixes things.  Any ideas?  Thanks!


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I think I saw a BIOS fix for this on the IBM support site.

ssh

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Blaisdell [mailto:cblaisd@tdl.com]
> Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 15:30
> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
> Subject: Resume kills of IR on TP600E
> 
> 
> After finally reinstalling Win98 (my system was a turtle), 
> I'm pleased 
> with the speed again, but one odd problem.  I have IR set up which 
> works flawlessly to synch with my Palm.  But now (and this didn't 
> happen prior to the reinstall), resuming from either hibernate of 
> suspend kills off the virtual IR port.  I get a dialogue box 
> that says 
> something to the effect that "Hotsync [the Palm app] cannot find 
> Com Port 4 [which is the virtual IR port].  Please make sure that 
> Com 4 is available."  Sure enough, then, when checking Device 
> Manager, under Com ports, the virtual IR com port is no longer 
> there.  A reboot fixes things.  Any ideas?  Thanks!
> 
> 

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On 31 Dec 2000, at 16:20, Steve Hultquist wrote:

> I think I saw a BIOS fix for this on the IBM support site.
> 
Steve,

Am using the latest BIOS; IBM update connector does not suggest 
any needed software for the machine except new Trackpoint 
drivers and Modem software.


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I stand corrected. FWIW, I am able to resume without having the device
disappear ocmpletely, although (in Win2k!), I do get that error once in a
while. It doesn't actually impact whether or not I can use HotSync later.

ssh

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chuck Blaisdell [mailto:cblaisd@tdl.com]
> Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 17:37
> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu
> Subject: RE: Resume kills of IR on TP600E
> 
> 
> On 31 Dec 2000, at 16:20, Steve Hultquist wrote:
> 
> > I think I saw a BIOS fix for this on the IBM support site.
> > 
> Steve,
> 
> Am using the latest BIOS; IBM update connector does not suggest 
> any needed software for the machine except new Trackpoint 
> drivers and Modem software.
> 
>