From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 14:59:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15112 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 14:59:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA14330; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:42:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:42:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA14322; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 15:42:17 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA06199 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 14:42:03 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401262042.AA06199@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: intel PCMCIA 14.4/14.4 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 14:42:01 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew A. Houghton" at Jan 26, 94 03:06:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > It looks like what's happening is a 640x400 screen rez, in the upper > part of the screen. It's using another page to pre-load graphics. > Problem is, that other page (or at least the top 80 pixels) is getting > displayed on the the lower part of my mono screen. This doesn't occur > when I'm hooked to an external monitor. It's distracting, but doesn't > effect play. Hey, I play games too! Heck, I got about 50MB of games on my hard drive! :) Shh..! Anyway, it sounds as if you have vertical expansion off. At least, that would be the case if you have a 750C. I don't know if the 750 has the same vertical expansion "option". Try using the PS2 program to turn vertical expansion on. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 16:34:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29132 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 16:33:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA23999; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 17:18:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 17:18:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Spectrum.CMC.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA23990; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 17:18:27 -0500 Received: by Spectrum.CMC.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1(Spectrum)) id AA23484; Wed, 26 Jan 94 14:15:42 PST Date: Wed, 26 Jan 94 14:15:42 PST From: david@CMC.COM (David Jonathan) Message-Id: <9401262215.AA23484@Spectrum.CMC.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Video on a 750Cs? Status: OR I'm still shopping for a laptop... And while I know full-motion video works on an active-matrix screen, I'm wondering if it does on a dual-scan screen. Has anyone tried this on a 750Cs, or other dual-scan system? Thanks. -David ############################################################################ David Jonathan Rockwell-CMC Phone: (805)968-4262 x152 7402 Hollister Avenue FAX: (805)968-8256 Santa Barbara, Ca 93117 EMAIL: david@cmc.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 18:11:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06515 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 18:11:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA00778; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 18:57:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 18:57:52 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA00771; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 18:57:50 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA02108 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 17:57:38 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401262357.AA02108@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Too good to be true protection? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 17:57:35 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR In the latest Tiger Software, on p. 47, there's an ad for a surge protector called LapTrax that protects against electricl disturbances, accidents, liquid spills, water-damage, fire and theft. I called Tiger about the last topic (theft) and they told me that the way it works is you send them a police report and they will replace the equipment (up to $2500 initially, with an option for more coverage). It's coverage is called the Triple Crown Warranty. I might add that it's also portable and includes a modem protector too. The most incredulous part is that it's only $59.90. Now, is this me, or does this sound too good to be true? For $59.90, I can protect my laptop fully? as opposed to having to have to buy a surge protector and insurance ($200/year for my TP750C). Has anyone had any experience with Tiger and/or this Triple Crown Warranty? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 19:14:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25650 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 19:14:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA05004; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 20:02:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 20:02:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA04997; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 20:02:25 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwaoy03022; Wed, 26 Jan 94 20:02:11 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13010; Wed, 26 Jan 94 12:44:53 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA26891; Wed, 26 Jan 94 12:52:45 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24155; Wed, 26 Jan 94 12:52:05 PST Date: Wed, 26 Jan 94 12:52:05 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9401262052.AA24155@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: using trackpoint for games Status: OR The talk of game playing on the 750 brought to mind a problem a friend had with his system. He got hooked on Xwing and was using the trackpoint as the "joystick". He's been doing this for about 3 weeks now and after a few hours of play the other day the thing broke. Not material wise, but the pointer was stuck in one spot on the screen and couldn't be moved. He power cycled the system thinking it would solve the problem, but the reset failed in diagnostics with some error code. He researched it and found it was telling him the trackpoint was dead. So now his whole system is dead and he has to send it in for service. Let this be a warning to those fellow game players out there. I would recommend the use of an external mouse or joystick (supposedly there are parallel port interface versions) when playing games that induce adrenalin rushes. My friend might be a tad bit more aggresive than most folks (I've seen him play as I'm the one who hooked him on Xwing), but I don't think the trackpoint is all that durable and gentle use is recommended. I've heard of other instances of breakage on 720s, so I plan to be real careful with mine. (Yes, I'm still waiting - should be any month now :-) --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 19:32:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00486 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 19:31:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA06150; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 20:22:08 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 20:22:07 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA06143; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 20:22:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199401270122.UAA06143@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: using trackpoint for games To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 26 Jan 94 17:22:04 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <9401262052.AA24155@opus.objy.com>; from "Bruce Reed" at Jan 26, 94 12:52 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > Let this be a warning to those fellow game players out there. I would > recommend the use of an external mouse or joystick (supposedly there are > parallel port interface versions) when playing games that induce adrenalin > rushes. My friend might be a tad bit more aggresive than most folks (I've > seen him play as I'm the one who hooked him on Xwing), but I don't think the > trackpoint is all that durable and gentle use is recommended. What I want to know is how do I increase the sensitivity (and decrease the acceleration or "turbo" feature) beyond the defaults for both DOS and OS/2. I have sweaty palms (and apparently fingertips too) and the trackpoint tends to get slick so it's difficult for me to put much pressure on it. And I happen to like the way F-16 Falcon handles the joystick -- it's so sensitive you think of moving and it does. :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 20:39:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20098 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 20:39:28 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA10516; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 21:32:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 21:32:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA10509; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 21:32:26 -0500 Received: from localhost (wilson@localhost) by rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU (8.6.4/8.6.4) id VAA05243; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 21:32:29 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 1994 21:32:29 -0500 From: Wilson Chan Message-Id: <199401270232.VAA05243@rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Using NCSA Telnet with IBM Ethernet Card... Reply-To: wilson@hing.lcs.mit.edu Address: 545 Technology Square, Room 626, Cambridge, MA 02139 Status: OR Office Phone: (617) 253-6028 Fax: (617) 253-7359 Home Phone: (617) 621-0232 Has anyone gotten NCSA Telnet to run on the 750? I'm not sure what drivers to load and stuff. Besides IBM's ODI and NDIS drivers, I have Novell's LSL.COM and two other drivers named IPXPKT.COM and ODIPKT.COM. What do I need to do in order to emulate the packet driver interface? --wilson From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 22:36:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26785 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 22:36:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id XAA17541; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 23:28:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 23:28:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id XAA17534; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 23:28:20 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA06420; Wed, 26 Jan 94 23:28:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 94 23:28:23 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401270428.AA06420@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: using trackpoint for games Status: OR As I mentioned previously, I have an IBM keyboard with the Trackpoint II, (on my desktop), and I find that I have to set the OS/2 mouse sensitivity at the absolute maximum, and it is only *just* adequate, so I sure would like to be able to increase the sentivity beyond the normal limits. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jan 26 22:37:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27434 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 22:37:54 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id XAA17703; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 23:31:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 23:31:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id XAA17695; Wed, 26 Jan 1994 23:31:31 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA06436; Wed, 26 Jan 94 23:31:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 94 23:31:39 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401270431.AA06436@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, wilson@hing.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Re: Using NCSA Telnet with IBM Ethernet Card... Status: OR I'm still trying to figure out how to get IBM TCP/IP up and running on the IBM ethernet PCMCIA card, anyone done this? From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Wed Jan 26 23:15:24 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08511 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Jan 1994 23:15:22 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA06509; Thu, 27 Jan 94 00:15:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 94 00:15:36 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401270515.AA06509@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Too good to be true protection? Status: OR sounds good, more info please (telephone number of LapTrax?) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 27 11:45:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06297 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Jan 1994 11:45:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA17329; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 12:35:09 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 12:35:06 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA17307; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 12:35:02 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA02348 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 27 Jan 1994 11:34:50 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401271734.AA02348@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: using trackpoint for games To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 11:34:45 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199401270122.UAA06143@CS.UTK.EDU> from "John H. Kim" at Jan 26, 94 05:21:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > What I want to know is how do I increase the sensitivity (and decrease > the acceleration or "turbo" feature) beyond the defaults for both DOS > and OS/2. I have sweaty palms (and apparently fingertips too) and the > trackpoint tends to get slick so it's difficult for me to put much > pressure on it. And I happen to like the way F-16 Falcon handles the > joystick -- it's so sensitive you think of moving and it does. :) The sweaty palms must be from living in California! :) But I too would like to know how to increase the speed of the Trackpoint so that the cursor moves faster. Under Windows, the cursor movement is many times faster than under OS/2 so I am inclined to believe that at least part of it has to do with the system drivers... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 27 11:52:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10176 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Jan 1994 11:52:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA17951; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 12:43:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 12:43:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA17938; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 12:43:32 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA05487 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 27 Jan 1994 11:43:19 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401271743.AA05487@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Too good to be true protection? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 11:43:14 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9401270515.AA06509@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jan 27, 94 00:15:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > sounds good, more info please (telephone number of LapTrax?) It's offered through Tiger Software, which I understand is a pretty good company. But it's just so hard to believe. Heck, I'd pay $59 for a portable surge protector alone. Tiger's phone is: 800-888-4437. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jan 27 17:54:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27363 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Jan 1994 17:54:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA13932; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 18:31:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 18:31:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA13923; Thu, 27 Jan 1994 18:31:23 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA18903 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 27 Jan 1994 17:31:09 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401272331.AA18903@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Audio drivers are here! To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 27 Jan 1994 17:31:08 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR I got my audio drivers in the mail today! They seem to be the same ones we downloaded so oh well. But on the positive side, the long awaited text-to-speech software also came! It's called Monologue. On the negative side, it's only for DOS and Windows (gee, I wonder why OS/2 doesn't do better?). I'll call IBM and see if they plan to put out a OS/2 version. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jan 30 12:34:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16596 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 30 Jan 1994 12:34:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA25912; Sun, 30 Jan 1994 13:24:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 30 Jan 1994 13:24:43 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uu.psi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA25905; Sun, 30 Jan 1994 13:24:40 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA08627 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 94 13:17:17 -0500 Received: by channel1 (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id E1696E; Sun, 30 Jan 94 12:33:46 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Memory/Modem From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.283611.700.0CE1696E@channel1.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 94 23:53:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1 Communications Status: OR Hello, I have a 750c on order, and would like to know your opinion on the following! 1. The 750c comes with 4meg of memory (stock). Since I can't afford to buy 8megs at $800.+ from IBM, I'm going to a third party. A) What speed is the *stock* 4meg the 750c comes with? Do I need to match that speed (if there one)? B) Is there a difference in the voltage, from 5 volt, to 3.3 volt? C) Can someone please (750c owner) suggest an 8meg memory card, dealer and any other pertinent information? 2. I'm also buying a *third* party PCMCIA modem. A) Is there a difference between the 16450 (Megahertz Xjack), and other 16550 14.4 fax-modems? B) Can someone please suggest a PCMCIA 14.4 fax-modem, preferably someone that is running it in the 750c? I need to make a decision very quickly, so I would appreciate any and ALL suggestions! Thank you in advance! Joseph From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 31 01:04:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25987 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Jan 1994 01:04:54 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA08834; Mon, 31 Jan 1994 01:57:01 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Jan 1994 01:57:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA08821; Mon, 31 Jan 1994 01:56:58 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA24439 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 31 Jan 1994 00:56:46 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199401310656.AA24439@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Memory/Modem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 00:56:46 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <40.283611.700.0CE1696E@channel1.com> from "Joseph Pereira" at Jan 29, 94 11:52:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > C) Can someone please (750c owner) suggest an 8meg memory card, > dealer and any other pertinent information? To the best of my knowledge, there isn't much of a choice between the speeds of memory cards that will work with the TP750 series. Either it will work (right speed) or it won't (wrong speed). A popular place seems to be h.co. The number is 1-800-726-2477. The price was listed as $449. > 2. I'm also buying a *third* party PCMCIA modem. > A) Is there a difference between the 16450 (Megahertz Xjack), and > other 16550 14.4 fax-modems? > B) Can someone please suggest a PCMCIA 14.4 fax-modem, preferably > someone that is running it in the 750c? There is definately a difference between a 16450 PCMCIA modem and a 16550 PCMCIA modem if you want to do _ANY_ multitasking at all. I'd definately go with a 16550. You have two choices from the looks of this list. Megahertz is supposed to come out with a new PCMCIA modem with a 16550 UART -- you can wait for that. Or you can get an AT&T Keep-In-Touch modem (which is what I have). The AT&T KIT has gotten pretty good coverage here to the best of my knowledge (OS/2 beta drivers are due any day now -- really!). From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Mon Jan 31 07:07:30 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09758 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Jan 1994 07:07:28 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA02139; Mon, 31 Jan 94 08:07:37 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 94 08:07:37 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401311307.AA02139@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Memory/Modem Status: OR does anyone actually *know* that the difference between the 16450 and 16550 PCMCIA modems is real? Of course I understand the effect of the difference in the case of a normal serial port, but here we are talking about a simulation, and it is not technically obvious to me at all that the fact that the external simulated interface is 16450 will make it impossible to do "_ANY_" multitasking at all. comments? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 31 10:40:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29646 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Jan 1994 10:40:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA22171; Mon, 31 Jan 1994 11:26:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Jan 1994 11:26:39 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA22162; Mon, 31 Jan 1994 11:26:36 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu by chaph.usc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1+ucs-3.0) id AA06342; Mon, 31 Jan 94 08:26:26 PST Received: by aludra.usc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1+ucs-3.6) id AA27556; Mon, 31 Jan 94 08:26:24 PST From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randal Whittle) Message-Id: <9401311626.AA27556@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Reply To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 08:26:23 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR >Welcome to the ThinkPad 750 mailing list! Thanks! >Please introduce yourself! Tell us what kind of machine you have, >how it's configured (how much memory/disk, what accessories, etc.), >and what operating system(s) you are using. Okay--My name is Randy Whittle, I am 25 years of age, married to a wonderful woman for almost 3 years, and I am a business student at the University of Southern California. My computer(s): My desktop is a Gateway 2000 machine which I have always been happy with (at least over the past year or so that I've owned it). My two main things I do with it are (A) desktop publishing projects that make a few bucks for me on the side and (B) Writing papers, etc. for school. I have and use a literal *myriad* of software packages, but the main ones I deal with are PageMaker, Ami Pro, and Excel. My Notebook: A bit shy of two years ago, I was under some pressure to meet a deadline on a software self-help book I was under contract to write. The problem was that I wasn't in front of my computer enough to get much done, so I went out and got a notebook machine. I had to get it within a 24-hour period, so I was a bit pressured to do so. At the time, my only real criteria was a 386SL processor and a built-in pointing device. I ended up with a Sharp PC-6781 that was a 20 MHz 386SL, 80 MB HD, and the battery only lasted 1 1/2 hours. It was a decent machine, but I was disappointed--but at least I didn't have to clip on some stupid trackball! I had difficulty configuring it though, and there was no such thing as Sharp tech support when I needed help with the quirks, so... I also decided that 80MB just wasn't enough drive space, but what else can you do with it? Impossible to swap out... I was also disappointed that the battery life wouldn't allow me to do much with it at school, where I might well have taken some notes with it or brought it along for some other work. I discovered from my prior notebook experience that while cheap clones like my Gateway were perfectly fine for the desktop, you can't afford to skimp on a notebook--if anything goes wrong and you have some machine made by a fly-by-night--you're screwed. Even with a relatively sizable company like Sharp, I had nowhere to turn when certain software wouldn't run. This meant that I should make my next notebook purchase with one of the big guys of Notebook computing--Toshiba probably--but at least one of the big guys. Then I saw the latest ThinkPads in PC/Computing. Initially, I just wanted more battery life and faster speed, so I looked at the ThinkPad 350 (Mono), but over time, decided to go up from there (ALL the way up, it turned out). I was impressed with the TrackPoint II more than I can say--I consider it a disgustingly simple solution to a really vexing problem and when I tried it in a store on some cheap PS/Note last summer, I thought it was great. Initially I ordered a TP 750Cs with 170 MB. I won't go into the details, but IBM *really* screwed up my order many times over--in fact, I seriously considered alternate methods or machines, but loved that 750 series too much, so I stuck with them. I had the 750Cs for a while, but after a number of hours of working with it, I just decided that the screen was a little too fuzzy and suffered from lack of contrast for my tastes. I bit the bullet and asked for an active matrix, and while I was at it--went to the bigger hard drive. I have now had a 750C with 340 MB drive for a few days and I really love it (my wallet doesn't, but I do!). I got a third-party card from Simple Technologies to pump up the memory to a total of 12 MB too, but that's the only addition I've put together with it. No other peripherals or cards involved. My brother is heavily involved with IBM's OS/2 marketing effort, but OS/2 and I have never gotten along very well, so I'm a DOS/Windows user. My only beef? I'm *VERY* disappointed in the battery life. I haven't yet run too many trials witht he C as I've had it for only a few days, but on the Cs, which IBM claims to get a minimum of 3.5 hours to as high as 8, I didn't even get close. Don't get me wrong--I don't expect 8 hours (I *know* that's a farce), but I very much *DO* expect 3.5 (or in the case of the C, 3.4) hours--on the "high" performance setting. Anything more than that would be icing on the cake or the result of running on "low" or whatever, but I don't think it is unreasonable to expect the *minimum* battery claim. I only get about 2 1/2 hours, and that makes me angry because I'm only getting 70% of the battery time I intended to buy. Anyone else have battery time experiences to share? PC/Computing got 3:43 out of a 750C, so I know it must be possible. Am I stuck with faulty batteries or what? IBM sent me another battery, but its the same story and one tech support person confessed to me that they have a *lot* of people with the same complaint! Thoughts? I'd really like to resolve this--I want 3.4 hours! Thanks... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jan 31 11:03:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09245 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Jan 1994 11:03:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA24774; Mon, 31 Jan 1994 11:52:13 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Jan 1994 11:52:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA24765; Mon, 31 Jan 1994 11:52:08 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA04591; Mon, 31 Jan 94 11:51:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 94 11:51:29 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401311651.AA04591@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Reply Status: OR 2.5 hours is about what you can expect from a 750C running on the high setting with an extra memory card installed (the memory card noticeably affects battery usage). You may be able to coax out 3.5 hours by going to the lowest power setting and barely using the disk at all. The 8 hour figure is completely bogus I think, it could only be achieved by using suspend mode for a lot of that time. I think the 2.5 hour figure for a 10.5" active matrix screen (which eats a lot of power) is quite reasonable, and in fact I am very pleased with the battery life (I usually get somewhat under 2 hours, because I use the PS2 BR N command to put the screen brightness back to maximum). The problem here is not technology, but possibly misleading advertising. In my experience, all published battery life figures are junk -- I have now owned 12 portable battery operated computers, and NONE of them measured up to the stated battery time. I do think you should remove the memory card before comparing the claimed and actual battery life. It certainly seems reasonable for a manufacturer to advertise the battery life of the base machine as sold, without figuring in extra power requirements of add-on equipment. From moore@cs.utk.edu Mon Jan 31 12:03:06 1994 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06735 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Jan 1994 12:02:53 -0600 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id MAA24128; Mon, 31 Jan 1994 12:54:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199401311754.MAA24128@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: dewar@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Memory/Modem In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 31 Jan 1994 08:07:37 EST." <9401311307.AA02139@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 12:54:58 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Status: OR > does anyone actually *know* that the difference between the 16450 and 16550 > PCMCIA modems is real? Of course I understand the effect of the difference > in the case of a normal serial port, but here we are talking about a > simulation, and it is not technically obvious to me at all that the fact > that the external simulated interface is 16450 will make it impossible to > do "_ANY_" multitasking at all. comments? If the modem has to interrupt the cpu 1440 times a second, it certainly eats up a lot of the time available for other things. By contrast, a properly-programmed simulated-16550 would only interrupt the cpu one sixteenth of that time. Keith From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Mon Jan 31 12:28:47 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18253 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Jan 1994 12:28:44 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA05175; Mon, 31 Jan 94 13:28:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Jan 94 13:28:46 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9401311828.AA05175@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Memory/Modem Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Status: OR "If the modem has to interrupt the CPU 1440 times a second, it certainly eats up a lot of the time available for other things." That's theory, that's not knowledge. After all if you assume that an interrupt takes a 1000 instructions to process, then you are talking about perhaps 5% of the CPU for handling the device. Who knows if the figure of 1000 is reasonable or not (it is ludicrously high but, these big operating systems are in the ludicrousness budiness :-) the point is that just assuming without measurement is entirely unconvincing, it's no better than guessing. From whittle@chaph.usc.edu Mon Jan 31 16:50:12 1994 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17845 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Jan 1994 16:50:05 -0600 Received: from aludra.usc.edu by chaph.usc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1+ucs-3.0) id AA05688; Mon, 31 Jan 94 14:50:16 PST Received: by aludra.usc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1+ucs-3.6) id AA24425; Mon, 31 Jan 94 14:50:14 PST From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randal Whittle) Message-Id: <9401312250.AA24425@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: OS/2 on ThinkPad 750s To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Mon, 31 Jan 1994 14:50:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199401312021.AA08814@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Jan 31, 94 02:21:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3892 Status: OR > > involved. My brother is heavily involved with IBM's OS/2 marketing effort, > > but OS/2 and I have never gotten along very well, so I'm a DOS/Windows user. > Well, if you want to start to get to know OS/2 better, this is the place > to do it. I'd say about 75% of us use OS/2 on our TPs. And one of I figured as much--IBM would have to be shooting themselves in the foot to offer a non-OS/2-compat. notebook machine! > the main reasons for that, I'd guess, is the fact that it's one of the > few notebooks that come with OS/2 drivers and can handle OS/2 as > well as DOS/Win. That is, of course, a very good fact. > Of course, if DOS/Win makes you happy, then by all means, stick with > it! :) If the name Dave Whittle sounds at all familiar to you (Pick up the August (?) "OS/2 Professional" Magazine), then you'll know that I have been influenced by one of the best. Nevertheless, its not an issue of "learning" OS/2 as much as it is a usage issue. I've argued my view of the situation many times before and frankly have no desire to do so here--I'm here for the TP support! Suffice to say that I believe two things: (1) OS/2 works best with OS/2-based software just like I'm not fond of running DOS apps under Windows. (2) I'd switch over to OS/2 *tomorrow* if *all* (or nearly all) of my regularly-used applications were ported to OS/2 versions and I could have them for the price of disks and manuals alone. As of now, the only app. I use that has a native-OS/2 counter- part is Ami Pro. Meanwhile, I've been very disappointed by the speed-hit I take when using my apps under OS/2--I therefore see no reason to run Windows apps. under OS/2. The story would be very different with a set of OS/2-based applications. > > My only beef? I'm *VERY* disappointed in the battery life. I haven't > > yet run too many trials witht he C as I've had it for only a few days, but > > Some day, I'd like to do a battery life test and average out the results > we get from this mailing list. I've tried a while ago but there were > only two other people on the list at the time. I'm sure there are enough now--try it. > I find that I average around 2 hours (give or take half an hour) but > then again, I often use my PCMCIA modem during the majority of it > as well as other taxing tasks such as disk intensive programs (but > then again, when isn't OS/2 disk intensive except maybe on Robert > Dewar's machine -- who has 20MB RAM). I've never gotten much lower > than 2 hours and have gotten up to 3. I managed 3 for the first time just last night--and that was on completely "low" settings and most of the time it sat idle (for the purpose of measuring time, I set it to not suspend very frequently) on a table. That would *never* be the case under normal use, I fear... But even the 2 1/2 hour times I got, it was just sitting on a table doing nothing with the settings on "high"--just so I could measure the time it got. It wasn't pretty... > > Thoughts? I'd really like to resolve this--I want 3.4 hours! > > Not likely on the 750C unfortunately. As a matter of fact, I've Then they (IBM) should never have claimed that number--at least not as a "low-end" claim. I was under the mistaken impression that when they say "3.4 to 8 hours" I can expect, as a bare minimum, 3.4 hours. > never seen an active matrix that could make it that long. My > friend's Austin has a battery life of around 1 hour and my other > friend's Nec Versa has about a 2 hour life on a good day. Sleezy marketers... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 00:55:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12092 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 00:55:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA09778; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 01:36:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 01:36:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA09771; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 01:36:40 -0500 Received: from FirstPerson.COM (rampart.ebay.sun.com) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08323; Tue, 1 Feb 94 22:36:43 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by FirstPerson.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02183; Tue, 1 Feb 94 22:34:24 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02466; Tue, 1 Feb 1994 22:36:36 +0800 Date: Tue, 1 Feb 1994 22:36:36 +0800 From: page%swap@Sun.COM (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402020636.AA02466@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Squeezing out memory Reply-To: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com Status: OR [I just got added to the list] My 750C has 20MB memory and 80MB swap partition (WfWG 3.11). I need more memory. Well, not more memory. More conventional memory. After booting without PCMCIA support, I only have 487K free. mem /c shows me that tpaudd takes 58K (!) mouse and dos are 17 each, smartdrv another 28, and some misc stuff. I don't think that's enough, but I don't know where to load the stuff. When I boot with card services and configure the Megahertz XJack faxmodem and Xircom CreditCard ethernet card (which cause NDIS to load), I only have 396K free! At that point I can't bring up most DOS applications. I didn't try RAMboost. I did try QEMM though. It was spectacularly unsuccessful; I ended up with 28K *less* after it ran. Here's some stuff from config.sys: device=c:\qemm\qemm386.sys ram x=b000-cfff device=c:\qemm\qdpmi.sys swapfile=dpmi.swp swapsize=1024 files=50 buffers=10 dos=high,umb shell=c:\command.com c:\ /p stacks=9,256 device=c:\thinkpad\ibmdss01.sys /s0=2 device=c:\thinkpad\ibmdoscs.sys /w device=c:\thinkpad\dicrmu01.sys /ma=c000-cfff device=c:\thinkpad\$icpmdos.sys device=c:\dos\power.exe device=c:\ibmvesa\vesa.exe device=c:\ibmaudio\audiodd\tpaudd.sys device=c:\windows\ifshlp.sys and autoexec.bat has lines like: c:\qemm\loadhi /rf net start megahz s2c2 c:\qemm\loadhi /rf c:\windows\smartdrv.exe 2048 128 c:\qemm\loadhi /rf c:\thinkpad\fueldos c:\qemm\loadhi /rf c:\dos\doskey.com c:\qemm\loadhi /rf c:\dos\mouse.com You can assume I know pretty much zip about DOS. My configuration of the PCMCIA cards may be totally messed up - in fact, when the machine boots it gives me some warning about not finding the Xircom card. I have downloaded and am using the latest drivers and other materials from the IBM, Megahertz and Xircom BBSs. Any thoughts? (DR-DOS 7 and OS/2 are not options.) Thanks - ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 01:01:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13382 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 01:01:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA10641; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 01:52:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 01:52:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA10635; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 01:52:16 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id BAA26765; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 01:45:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199402020645.BAA26765@wilma.cs.utk.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: linux on a tp750 update Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU From: Keith Moore Date: Wed, 02 Feb 1994 01:45:33 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR For those of you who are interested in Linux on a 750 (or are just interested in tp750 quirks...) I finally got the floppy drive to work under Linux. Apparently the disk change bit on the floppy controller chip is opposite to what it would normally be on an AT disk controller. Once I figured this out, all I had to do was to change the sense of all of the comparisons for this bit in the floppy driver and it worked. Pretty soon I'll put make a linux-on-tp750 boot image for anon ftp. Unfortunately, the networking code in Linux leaves a lot to be desired. Our local net is such a swamp that the Linux code barely works. So now that I know about the quirks of the floppy drive, I'm going to try to get NetBSD running on the thing. Stay tuned... Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 04:51:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21146 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 04:51:36 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id FAA06188; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 05:40:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 05:40:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from efd.lth.se by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id FAA06175; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 05:40:40 -0500 Received: from efd.lth.se [130.235.45.11] (lo-1.efd.lth.se) by kobra.efd.lth.se with smtp (perl jhmail 0.20) (rfc1413: f91el@lo-1.efd.lth.se) id 2d4f82db_16f_1 ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 11:39:24 MET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: Date: Wed, 02 Feb 1994 11:39:21 MET From: Erik Lindahl To: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, f91el@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 01 Feb 1994 22:36:36 MET." <9402020636.AA02466@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> Subject: Re: Squeezing out memory Status: OR Some details that possibly could give you a little more free memory: Do you use a CD-rom? If not, use the switch /U for smartdrive; this means that it won't load cd-rom caching support. If you don't use any large dos programs, maybe you could do without=20 smartdrive for dos! If you use 32-bit file access if WfWg 3.11, it has its own 32-bit caching program (VFAT or VCACHE or something like that). This i= s faster than smartdrive, but works only in windows. If you want to keep=20 smartdrive for dos caching, you could change the wincache to 0.=20 (The last action won't save any conv. memory, but 128k of high...) You have got IFSHLP.SYS in your config.sys file, so you are=20 probably using the VFAT system. If you don't need sound support in dos, you can leave out tpaudd... Try various Qemm options like not shadowing bios etc... I do recall that there was a problem i with qemm and the audio drivers.. I don't know if it was the audio driver or the soundblaster emulation program, though...=20 Did you use the Optimize program in qemm? (Not only usual qemm installatio= n) Well, I don't know if this was of any help, but if you discover any=20 tricks yourself, feel free to post them!!! Good luck, Erik=20 ----------------------------------------- Erik Lindahl Lund Institute of Technology, Lund, Sweden f91el@efd.lth.se From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 08:01:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02017 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 08:01:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA17481; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 08:49:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 08:49:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA17472; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 08:49:17 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11689 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 07:49:19 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA00278; Wed, 2 Feb 94 07:53:17 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9402021353.AA00278@kentucky> Subject: Saga of the Memory To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 07:53:16 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL2] Content-Type: text Status: OR Dear all: As you may recall, I recently purchased a 750c, and am trying to retire my 700 (anyone want to buy it?). I attempted to take the 8MB DRAM card out of the 700 and to put it in the 750c, only to find Error #201 --- complete refusal! I phoned First Source (where I bought this card in June) and found a very sympathetic tech-person. He assured me that 700 cards should work in the 750c --- so he express mailed me a new card. The new card worked great --- no probs. I simply mailed the old card back to him yesterday. Wonderful service and guarantee. I still do not know why the first card worked in the 700 and not in the 750. Tres strange. But it does not matter now. I recommend First Source to you for your future purchases. SW P.S. Now to worry about modems (since the modem I had in the 700 is not PCMCIA, and so won't fit in the 750c)....... -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology Professor, Beckman Institute ****************************************************************************** stanwass@uiuc.edu * sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * ********************* * 217 333-3325 * 217 244-6905 * 217 244-5876 (fax) * ****************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 08:28:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05507 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 08:28:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA19373; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:12:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:12:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA19362; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:12:55 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12735; Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:12:49 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:12:49 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402021412.AA12735@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Squeezing out memory Status: OR Why do you say OS/2 is not an option. You are flailing away desparately with junk software that is bound to cause you such difficulties, and unless you have extremely odd requirements, which are certainly not clear from your post, OS/2 would entirely solve your problems at a cost of $49. Using OS/2 you should find that you have plenty of conventional memory for DOS programs, and that further more you can run several of them at a time (I do so all the time on my TP750). In addition, if you just run DOS, I would say that you wasted money getting a 16M card, clearly there is no way you can make decent use of that extra memory. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 08:40:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07509 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 08:39:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA20486; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:27:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:27:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA20477; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:27:00 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12836; Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:27:06 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:27:06 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402021427.AA12836@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ah0i+@andrew.cmu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Squeezing out memory Status: OR Well it's you who is having problems, not me! For interest, what is the "development tool that you use regularly" that won't run under OS/2. Actually I have only encountered one program that wouldn't run, which is Ultima-VII, because they use a curious extender, and indeed I am sure there are old obsolete versions of programs using obsolete extenders around. Sure, if you have such an anomoly, that makes sense, but you should be sure that you are acting on accurate information. It's not that I "love" OS/2, why waste any emotion on operating systems? It's just that I use it regularly, and the kind of problems you state simply do not arise! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 08:42:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08016 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 08:42:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA20833; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:31:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:31:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tink.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA20826; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:31:21 -0500 Received: from thor.fi.gs.com by tink.com (PMDF V4.2-14 #4085) id <01H8ELOVOSV48WWFEV@tink.com>; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:32:19 EST Received: from paradev1 (paradev1.psd.gs.com) by gs.com (PMDF V4.2-12 #3223) id <01H8ELM2MQKW8Y91SU@gs.com>; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:29:59 EDT Received: from escher.psd.gs.com by paradev1 (4.1/Para2.1) id AA04499; Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:30:13 EST Date: Wed, 02 Feb 1994 09:30:13 -0500 (EST) From: padwad@psd.gs.com (Danny Padwa) Subject: Re: Squeezing out memory To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, Bob.Page@eng.sun.com Message-Id: <9402021430.AA04499@paradev1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR > device=c:\dos\power.exe > device=c:\ibmvesa\vesa.exe > device=c:\ibmaudio\audiodd\tpaudd.sys > device=c:\windows\ifshlp.sys Seems like many (if not all) of these could be DEVICEhigh instead of DEVICE statements (same for the PCMCIA stuff). Been a while since I really hacked DOS, but that should help with memory in the critical 640k region. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 08:52:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10276 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 08:52:54 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA21845; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:39:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:39:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA21838; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 09:39:24 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12954; Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:39:33 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 09:39:33 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402021439.AA12954@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: power.exe Status: OR what exactly do these power saving things do (apart from wasting valuable space). If I never use any of the power saving features (I never do, in fact I use PS2 BR N to get decent screen brightness back), then are they doing anything for me? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 13:05:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15313 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 13:05:22 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA09828; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 13:44:20 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 13:44:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA09811; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 13:44:16 -0500 Received: from FirstPerson.COM (rampart.ebay.sun.com) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13452; Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:44:18 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by FirstPerson.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14735; Wed, 2 Feb 94 10:41:58 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02857; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 10:44:11 +0800 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 10:44:11 +0800 From: page%swap@Sun.COM (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402021844.AA02857@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: dos memory redux Status: OR Thanks for the info, public and private. I hadn't realized that some of the drivers (like tpaudd and mouse) were DOS-only things. I hardly do anything in DOS, so I REM'ed them out. I also REM'ed doskey. I changed all the DEVICE statements to DEVICEHIGH. I don't use a CD-ROM so I added the /U switch to smartdrive. Then I REM'ed out smartdrive anyway, since I don't run any large DOS apps and I'm using WFWG disk caching instead. After doing all the above, conventional memory (when not using PCMCIA) went from 487k free to 594k free, and when using PCMCIA support, I went from 396k to 502k. That's more like it. The problem with the above is that to get more memory, I'm removing stuff. That's not unreasonable, except the whole point of my original post is that NOTHING is being loaded high. When I boot with NO PCMCIA cards and don't load the device drivers, mem /c reports: Adapter RAM/ROM: Size 192K, Used 192K, free 0K But how can I be using 192K? The VESA driver is in conventional memory. Do I need the page frame? Do I need to exclude so much memory for drivers? Is it true that of the 384k between 640k and 1MB, IBM is using all of it? By way of comparison, on my Dell desktop at home, which doesn't run QEMM, I've got setver, smartdrv, mouse and doskey all loaded into upper memory. Is there really no uppper memory available on the TP? As to why I have an 80MB swap partition -- that's what WFWG recommended. I bought WFWG separately, it was not bundled with the TP. Of course, between an 80MB swap file and a 21MB hibernation file, I'm already consuming a lot of my disk! Good thing I've got 340MB... As to the ifshlp.sys file -- I don't know what it's for; it looks like WFWG added it. :-) Something to do with the file system? As to OS/2 entirely solving my problems for $49 - I don't want to get into it; OS wars are ugly. You OS/2 fans can let me suffer. When I get more experience with OS/2 (on my home machine) I'll know when it's time to switch on my laptop. At the moment it's not time. I'll be on the road for a few days; I'm bringing the QEMM manual and I'll see what I can accomplish. Thanks again for the help. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 14:41:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00321 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 14:41:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA17117; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 15:14:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 15:14:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA17092; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 15:14:21 -0500 Received: from FirstPerson.COM ([129.150.111.200]) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04960; Wed, 2 Feb 94 12:11:42 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by FirstPerson.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16420; Wed, 2 Feb 94 12:07:53 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03027; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 12:10:05 +0800 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 12:10:05 +0800 From: page%swap@Sun.COM (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402022010.AA03027@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: XJack on 750 In-Reply-To: <9402021654.AA15790@aludra.usc.edu> References: <9402020636.AA02466@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> <9402021654.AA15790@aludra.usc.edu> Status: OR > How do you like that XJack modem? Any troubles? How does it handle > when you switch to other programs under windows? (I heard it has only > a 16450 UART in it, so I'm curious how it deals with Windows' choppy > "multitasking"). The Megahertz modem works very well. I haven't noticed any problem with the UART. Then again, I have a habit of not touching a DOS/Win machine during downloads. I use procomm+/win, winfax pro and prodigy for windows and they seem happy with the card. I only tried to recieve a fax once and it failed; I haven't investigated why. However, the modem can't be used if I'm using my Xircom CreditCard ethernet card because the XJack causes the phone connector to be perpendicular to the modem card, so it sticks out enough to interfere with the connector on the other card. The other ramification is the PCMCIA locking pin supplied with the 750 covers the XJack so I can't use the modem if I have my cards locked. These problems are serious enough that I'm looking for a different modem, but I like the modem's setup and operation, so if I don't find another modem I like I'll live with the XJack's limitations. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 16:01:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07038 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:01:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA24591; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:45:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:45:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA24577; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:45:34 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29268; Wed, 2 Feb 94 13:45:20 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05986; Wed, 2 Feb 94 13:45:17 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03345; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 13:45:06 +0800 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 13:45:06 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402022145.AA03345@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: stevens@watson.ibm.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: XJack on 750 In-Reply-To: <9402022132.AA27886@ganga.watson.ibm.com> References: <9402022010.AA03027@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> <9402022132.AA27886@ganga.watson.ibm.com> Status: OR > I'm wondering if it is compatible with the little plastic door that > comes with the Thinkpad. Could I just leave the modem installed all > the time? (assuming I don't have any other PCMCIA cards.) Yes to both. > Would I be in danger of breaking off the XJack or anything? No. It's pretty rugged. It's like a spring loaded button; you push to make the XJack pop out of the card, and you push again to make it go back in. I think it's a clever design, except for the problems I already mentioned. If you get one, log in to the Megahertz BBS and grab the latest software for it. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 16:02:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07536 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:02:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA24647; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:46:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:46:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA24630; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:45:59 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA29940 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 15:45:45 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402022145.AA29940@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: OS/2 on ThinkPad 750s To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 15:45:44 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9401312250.AA24425@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Jan 31, 94 02:49:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > a usage issue. I've argued my view of the situation many times before and > frankly have no desire to do so here--I'm here for the TP support! Suffice True, true! I'll bring it up no more! :) > > Some day, I'd like to do a battery life test and average out the results > > we get from this mailing list. I've tried a while ago but there were > > only two other people on the list at the time. > > I'm sure there are enough now--try it. I guess now is a good time. I'll post a message soon. > I managed 3 for the first time just last night--and that was on > completely "low" settings and most of the time it sat idle (for the purpose > of measuring time, I set it to not suspend very frequently) on a table. That > would *never* be the case under normal use, I fear... Well, most of the battery life is sucked up by the TFT display, so that's the most drain. Even if you'd been using it the whole time (doing reasonable tasks -- basically anything not very swap intensive or floppy intensive or PCMCIA intensive), my guess is that it would still be around 3 hours. > But even the 2 1/2 hour times I got, it was just sitting on a table > doing nothing with the settings on "high"--just so I could measure the time > it got. It wasn't pretty... I really don't think 2.5 hours is that bad. I do recall seeing the estimates you quote though and I do have to agree it definately shouldn't be advertised as such. Another thing that sucks up a lot of battery life is your RAM though. Before I got my RAM, I easily got up to 3 hours on high and I'm sure well past it in fact... > Sleezy marketers... Agreed. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 16:27:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20224 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:27:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA26772; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:10:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:10:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA26744; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:10:00 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA11215 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:09:47 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402022209.AA11215@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Squeezing out memory To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:09:47 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402020636.AA02466@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Bob Page" at Feb 1, 94 10:36:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I didn't try RAMboost. I did try QEMM though. It was spectacularly > unsuccessful; I ended up with 28K *less* after it ran. Do you use EMS at all? If not, you can use EMM.SYS and RAMBoost and save on some overhead. > device=c:\qemm\qemm386.sys ram x=b000-cfff Or you could just take out the RAM parameter and (I think) add a NOEMS paramter. > device=c:\qemm\qdpmi.sys swapfile=dpmi.swp swapsize=1024 > device=c:\thinkpad\ibmdss01.sys /s0=2 > device=c:\thinkpad\ibmdoscs.sys /w > device=c:\thinkpad\dicrmu01.sys /ma=c000-cfff > device=c:\thinkpad\$icpmdos.sys You have the option to use these drivers or the Phoenix drivers that came with PC-DOS 6.1, which I think are superior and also have been told by IBM to use in lieu of the TP PCMCIA drivers (but someone else has also told me that he heard otherwise). To use the Pheonix drivers, just delete those lines and add the following: device=c:\dos\pcmss.exe /s0=2 device=c:\dos\pcmcs.exe device=c:\dos\pcmscd /com=2 You may also have to add another parameter to the Super Client Driver to get the network card to work. At the command line, check the drivers with pcminfo and it will list what it thinks the PCMCIA cards are. > device=c:\dos\power.exe > device=c:\ibmvesa\vesa.exe > device=c:\ibmaudio\audiodd\tpaudd.sys > device=c:\windows\ifshlp.sys > c:\qemm\loadhi /rf net start > megahz s2c2 Are these PCMCIA drivers for your cards? If so and the Phoenix drivers work, you won't need them. Also, it seems a lot like you haven't run the optimize program that came with QEMM. I don't know if you know this (since you say you know nothing about DOS) but you have to run OPTIMIZE to get QEMM to load those drivers high (unless you want to manually do it -- not fun). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 16:31:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22120 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:31:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA27144; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:14:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:14:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA27133; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:14:22 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA13627 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:14:03 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402022214.AA13627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Squeezing out memory To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:14:02 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Erik Lindahl" at Feb 2, 94 11:39:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > with qemm and the audio drivers.. I don't know if it was the audio driver > or the soundblaster emulation program, though...=20 The SVAUDIO program only works with EMM and HIMEM. How brain-dead of the makers. At the least they could include some sort of trick to get program that won't accept the address our sound system is at. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 16:40:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25791 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:40:03 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA27786; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:20:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:20:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA27755; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:20:23 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA16551 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:20:07 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402022220.AA16551@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: NO WARS! To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:20:04 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew A. Houghton" at Feb 2, 94 09:18:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > High time we had an OS war in this mailing list... NOTE TO ALL: Please do not use this mailing list as a site for OS wars of any kind! We have managed since this list's conception to be totaly cordial to each other and I'm sure most of us would like to keep it that way. Furthermore, while I'm on my pedastle (sp?), let's keep the flames and so forth private. And keep the messages public by setting the TO header to tp750@cs.utk.edu. I know mine is usually set to reply to the original sender by default. Be sure any message you want to send to all of us (and archived) be sent to tp750@cs.utk.edu. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 16:44:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27464 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:43:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA28432; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:28:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:28:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA28424; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:28:21 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA20350 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:28:03 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402022228.AA20350@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: dos memory redux To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:27:59 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402021844.AA02857@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Bob Page" at Feb 2, 94 10:43:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I hardly do anything in DOS, so I REM'ed them out. I also REM'ed > doskey. I changed all the DEVICE statements to DEVICEHIGH. DEVICEHIGH is using DOS's memory management. If you want to use QEMM's, which is probably superior (not by all that much though), you'll have to run OPTIMIZE. > stuff. That's not unreasonable, except the whole point of my original > post is that NOTHING is being loaded high. When I boot with NO PCMCIA The main problem is that PCMCIA drivers must load into the region that many of our programs would otherwise love to load into. You could always experiment to see exactly what memory regins they use and just exclude those regions instead of the default, which is a rather large region. > The VESA driver is in conventional memory. Do I need the page frame? > Do I need to exclude so much memory for drivers? Is it true that of > the 384k between 640k and 1MB, IBM is using all of it? You probably don't even need the VESA driver at all if all you do is in Windows. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 16:44:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27638 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:44:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA28002; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:22:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:22:56 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA27995; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:22:54 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA17855 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:22:34 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402022222.AA17855@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: power.exe To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:22:29 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402021439.AA12954@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 2, 94 09:39:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > what exactly do these power saving things do (apart from wasting valuable > space). If I never use any of the power saving features (I never do, in fact > I use PS2 BR N to get decent screen brightness back), then are they doing > anything for me? Hmm..probably nothing in your case. I've always presumed it controlled such things as shutting off your hard drive, suspending, etc. I'm sure you could remove those items without much trouble. From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Wed Feb 2 17:32:41 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18487 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:32:27 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA16543; Wed, 2 Feb 94 18:32:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 18:32:21 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402022332.AA16543@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: power.exe Status: OR so that's another saving of a few bytes in the DOS case if you don't need the power stuff. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 18:39:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13849 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 18:39:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA05010; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 19:25:35 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 19:25:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA05003; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 19:25:30 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09301; Wed, 2 Feb 94 16:25:27 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA25225; Wed, 2 Feb 94 16:25:31 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03526; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:25:19 +0800 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 16:25:19 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402030025.AA03526@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: XJack on 750 Status: OR I dropped in at my local dealer and he said Megahertz makes the exact modem but with a traditional connector, not an XJack. Same price. The downside is that I'd need a special cable rather than a simple Male-Male phone cord, but the upside is that the 750's PCMCIA locking pin would work and (most importantly) I can use the ethernet card and the modem at the same time. It sounds like an even trade-off -- I hadn't considered how handy it was to be able to use any phone cable rather than a $33 custom cable. If I lose or forget my phone cable somewere, I can always go to any supermarket or corner store and pick up a new one. But if I forget the custom cable, I'm screwed. This isn't an issue with the Xircom ethernet card since I leave the cable in the office; hotel rooms don't usually have 10baseT connections. :-) By the way, the dealer claims all 14.4k PCMCIA fax/modems use the 16450 UART. Xircom has a combined PCMCIA ethernet/fax/modem card. I have no idea how the cabling works. ..bob From Bob.Page@eng.sun.com Wed Feb 2 19:20:26 1994 Received: from Sun.COM by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27451 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 19:20:20 -0600 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20855; Wed, 2 Feb 94 17:19:28 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00849; Wed, 2 Feb 94 17:19:30 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03575; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:19:17 +0800 Date: Wed, 2 Feb 1994 17:19:17 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402030119.AA03575@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Squeezing out memory In-Reply-To: <199402022209.AA11215@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <199402022209.AA11215@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> <9402020636.AA02466@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> Content-Length: 481 Status: OR > You have the option to use these drivers or the Phoenix drivers > that came with PC-DOS 6.1, which I think are superior and also have My TP came with a little pamphlet called "Before Using the PCMCIA Card" that explicitly states Do not install the Phoenix PCMCIA support in IBM DOS 6.1. > Also, it seems a lot like you haven't run the optimize program > that came with QEMM. I did, but my machine hung lots of times. Eventually QEMM gave up. I'm still experimenting. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 2 19:24:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28701 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Feb 1994 19:24:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA07862; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 20:11:11 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 20:11:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA07848; Wed, 2 Feb 1994 20:11:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199402030111.UAA07848@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Reply To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Feb 94 17:11:05 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <9401311626.AA27556@aludra.usc.edu>; from "Randal Whittle" at Jan 31, 94 8:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > My only beef? I'm *VERY* disappointed in the battery life. I haven't > yet run too many trials witht he C as I've had it for only a few days, but > on the Cs, which IBM claims to get a minimum of 3.5 hours to as high as 8, > I didn't even get close. Don't get me wrong--I don't expect 8 hours (I *know* > that's a farce), but I very much *DO* expect 3.5 (or in the case of the > C, 3.4) hours--on the "high" performance setting. As others have stated, the memory card will suck power as well. My 750 mono went from about 5.2 hours full steam to 3.9 hours after I added an 8MB card. As for the high of 8 hours (11 for the mono) I think I know where that comes from. I've been messing with ramdrives recently, and if I put a game entirely into the ramdrive (so the hard disk can turn off and stay off), I can *easily* get 6+ hours on high. The extra memory should cause a bigger hit on battery life w/o the hard disk since it'll account for a larger percentage of the power drain, but being conservative in my estimate the 6+ hours translates to 8+ hours for a 4MB machine. Drop the CPU into low and turn off the screen every now and then and I think 11 hours without going into suspend is plausible, albeit impractical. Ok, I confess, I did play games for 6 hours straight once. :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 3 00:51:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11142 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 00:51:25 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA00611; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 01:41:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 01:41:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA00604; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 01:41:30 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26664; Thu, 3 Feb 94 01:39:53 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA760266475 Thu, 03 Feb 94 01:07:55 EST Date: Thu, 03 Feb 94 01:07:55 EST Message-Id: <9401037602.AA760266475@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: re: Squeezing out memory Status: OR My tp750 has taught me alot about editting config.sys and autoexec.bat! Based on the other reply and your message, it sounds like you know what to try. I would specifically recommend removing: c:\qemm\loadhi /rf c:\thinkpad\fueldos It wastes memory if you're in windows or if you are plugged in. Also, I found a clearly reproducable lock-up it causes in windows. Fortuneately, it seems to be associated with OS/2 leaving the battery's micro-processor in a communicative state, so you're not likely to see it. You definitely wont have this problem if you remove fueldos. -joe From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 3 09:16:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13208 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 09:16:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA10166; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 10:06:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 10:06:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from rs1.rz.uni-hohenheim.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA10155; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 10:06:33 -0500 Received: from rs2.rz.uni-hohenheim.de by rs1.rz.uni-hohenheim.de (AIX 3.1/UCB 5.61/4.03) id AA16841; Thu, 3 Feb 94 16:06:25 +0100 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 16:00:46 +100 (MEZ) From: "Dr.M.Bruewer" Subject: os/2 and Ethernet-Adaptor To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hello, I'm new on this list and I'm glad that it exists. I have a tp750c with 8MB since a few days now and I'm wondering what kind of Ehternet-Adaptor (10BaseT) will work together with OS/2. What I've heard is that the Xircom PCMCIA Ethernet card does not support OS/2 yet, but the IBM does. Is that information correct? Thanks, Michael Bruewer Computation Centre University Hohenheim Stuttgart Germany From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 3 12:03:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16120 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 12:03:35 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA24229; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 12:46:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 12:46:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA24216; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 12:46:10 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA02942; Thu, 3 Feb 94 12:45:58 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Feb 94 12:45:58 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402031745.AA02942@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: bruewer@rs1.rz.uni-hohenheim.de, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: os/2 and Ethernet-Adaptor Status: OR I'm still trying to figure out how to use the IBM Ethernet credit card adapter with OS/2, I still don't understand what drivers I need, anyone know? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 3 19:35:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19821 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 19:35:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA05690; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 20:24:09 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 20:24:07 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA05677; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 20:24:04 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA16118 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 19:23:53 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402040123.AA16118@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: OS/2 on ThinkPad 750s To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 19:23:52 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402022237.AA06398@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 2, 94 02:37:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > How so? If mine only gets 2 1/2 hours by sitting idle, I see *no* > way it can get 3 hours by doing work! (except maybe by lowering the speed > to "low"--but even then...) Well, then make it 2 1/2 hours... :) I thought you said you got 3 hours. Anyway, the reason I said that was because the vast majority of power is going to be drained by the screen (unless you also use PCMCIA or intensive disk access). > I now have an 8MB RAM card, but my early "testing" was before the > RAM card arrived, so that was just the standard 4 MB. Hmmm..well, I must say bummer. How are the new times with the card? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 3 19:38:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20663 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 19:38:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA06054; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 20:29:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 20:29:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA06046; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 20:29:36 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA17627 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 19:29:25 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402040129.AA17627@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: XJack on 750 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 19:29:24 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402030025.AA03526@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Bob Page" at Feb 2, 94 04:25:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > By the way, the dealer claims all 14.4k PCMCIA fax/modems use the > 16450 UART. Ah, he's full of it. I'm using an AT&T Keep-In-Touch PCMCIA modem which does have a 16550 UART on it. Actually, it doesn't have a conventional UART but it's the equivalent of 16550 in the hardware. > Xircom has a combined PCMCIA ethernet/fax/modem card. I have no > idea how the cabling works. I've read about that too. I'd love to see it but haven't even seen it in an ad yet. In any case, you may want to consider the AT&T KIT modem. It's in a PC/Mag review and tied with Intel for the fastest times. Also, it has firmware so that you can use software to upgrade the modem. The downside is that there are no OS/2 drivers out yet although the beta version is said to be coming out this month. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 3 20:17:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03081 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 20:17:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA08452; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 21:06:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 21:06:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA08445; Thu, 3 Feb 1994 21:06:27 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27019; Thu, 3 Feb 94 21:05:31 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402040205.AA27019@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Re: os/2 and Ethernet-Adaptor To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 1994 21:05:31 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9402031745.AA02942@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 3, 94 12:45:58 pm Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: OR Robert Dewar writes: : : I'm still trying to figure out how to use the IBM Ethernet credit card : adapter with OS/2, I still don't understand what drivers I need, anyone : know? : I have the IBM credit card ethernet adapter working without problems (Except that I cannot use the AT&T Keep-In-Touch modem when the socket services are loaded, so I can only use either one, but not both). Posting my whole CONFIG.SYS here would be too much, so I'll just try to what lines might be relevant and approximately where they are in my CONFIG.SYS. Note that I use TCP/IP 2.0 and am not really sure, which of the following statements you can omit or need to replace if you use something else. So this is probably a mixture of statements needed to use the credit card itself and to run TCP/IP and NFS. These are my CONFIG.SYS statements: These two are the very first DEVICE statements appearing in my CONFIG.SYS: DEVICE=C:\IBMCOM\LANMSGDD.OS2 /I:C:\IBMCOM DEVICE=C:\IBMCOM\PROTMAN.OS2 /I:C:\IBMCOM After loading VWIN.SYS, there are these statements: DEVICE=C:\OS2\APM.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VAPM.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\PCMCIA.SYS DEVICE=C:\OS2\MDOS\VPCMCIA.SYS and a little later I have: RUN=C:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\NETBIND.EXE RUN=C:\IBMCOM\LANMSGEX.EXE DEVICE=C:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\INET.SYS DEVICE=C:\IBMCOM\PROTOCOL\IFNDIS.SYS SET ETC=C:\TCPIP\ETC SET TMP=C:\TCPIP\TMP SET READIBM=C:\TCPIP\DOC RUN=C:\TCPIP\BIN\CNTRL.EXE IFS=C:\TCPIP\BIN\NFS200.IFS DEVICE=C:\IBMCOM\MACS\PCMNICCS.OS2 and THE LAST THREE LINES of my CONFIG.SYS are: DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\$ICPMOS2.SYS DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\IBM2SS01.SYS /S0=2 DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\ICRMU01.SYS I hope this helps. If you need any more help, I could e-mail you my whole CONFIG.SYS, but it is 175 lines long! Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Thu Feb 3 23:36:23 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28309 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Feb 1994 23:36:21 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA04645; Fri, 4 Feb 94 00:36:31 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 00:36:31 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402040536.AA04645@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: OS/2 on ThinkPad 750s Status: OR actually my biggest concern with the batteries is how fast they run down when outside the machine. This makes it work to keep N batteries fully charged. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 16:34:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18406 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 16:34:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA08289; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 17:13:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 17:13:34 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA08247; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 17:13:18 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu by chaph.usc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1+ucs-3.0) id AA05891; Fri, 4 Feb 94 11:18:47 PST Received: by aludra.usc.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1+ucs-3.6) id AA14119; Fri, 4 Feb 94 11:18:45 PST From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randal Whittle) Message-Id: <9402041918.AA14119@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Battery Life on NiMH as they sit To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 11:18:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9402040536.AA04645@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 4, 94 00:36:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > actually my biggest concern with the batteries is how fast they run down > when outside the machine. This makes it work to keep N batteries fully > charged. That's one of the reasons I was a little less than impressed with getting the 2nd battery from IBM free of charge. Sure, I now have 2 batteries and I can swap one in when the first dies--but will the second one I swap in have any juice in it? Its just that much more work to keep a second battery not only charged (as it is discharging so quickly) but also conditioned. What kind of discharges (without being used) is everyone experiencing with these ThinkPad 750 NiMH batteries? Mine easily seems toto lose 10% just sitting over night. Doesn't take more than 3 days or so for the whole thing to be just 1/2 to 3/4 discharged (or more). Is that typical for everyone? To lose that much charge so quickly? I realize NiMH do this faster than Ni-Cd's to, but *this* fast? Seems like unless I use it *immediately* after I unplug it from the wall, I will easily lose 5% or more of the charge by the time I actually turn the machine on. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 17:56:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16654 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 17:56:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA13883; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 18:45:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 18:45:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA13871; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 18:45:23 -0500 Received: from FirstPerson.COM (rampart.EBay.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06758; Fri, 4 Feb 94 15:45:22 PST Received: from scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM by FirstPerson.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11458; Fri, 4 Feb 94 15:42:59 PST Received: from pepper.Eng.Sun.COM by scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA06410; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 15:44:11 +0800 Received: by pepper.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA17925; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 15:45:53 +0800 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 15:45:53 +0800 From: Chuck.McManis@firstperson.com (Chuck McManis) Message-Id: <9402042345.AA17925@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Hello X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: OR By way of introduction, I'm Chuck McManis with FirstPerson Inc. (a subsidiary of Sun Microsystems) I've got a 750c with the 340mb drive. I'm currently running DOS/Windows on it but will put Solaris 2.3 on it when it had drivers for the Xircom ethernet card. I've got the credit card ethernet adapter and a megahz card. Like many people I'm appalled at how little memory I've got left after loading drivers so and hints there are appreciated. I've got ramboost configured which loads the pcmcia drivers in high memory but the megahz modem doesn't work when it does this. Sigh. --Chuck From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 18:28:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24440 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 18:28:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA14817; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:09:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:09:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA14807; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:09:46 -0500 Received: by amdahl.com (/\==/\ Smail #25.33) id ; Fri, 4 Feb 94 16:10 PST Received: by cessna.oes.amdahl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/DNS) id AA04065; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 16:09:32 +0800 Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 16:09:32 +0800 From: lenj@oes.amdahl.com (Len Jacobson) Message-Id: <9402050009.AA04065@cessna.oes.amdahl.com> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Battery Life on NiMH as they sit Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: OR What's this "2nd battery from IBM free of charge" business? I hadn't heard of that. I ordered (and paid for) a 2nd battery in November and am still waiting for it. Also the Quick Charger. Len Jacobson ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From @amdahl.uts.amdahl.com:owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 14:26 PST 1994 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 17:13:34 EST From: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randal Whittle) Subject: Battery Life on NiMH as they sit To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 11:18:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > actually my biggest concern with the batteries is how fast they run down > when outside the machine. This makes it work to keep N batteries fully > charged. That's one of the reasons I was a little less than impressed with getting the 2nd battery from IBM free of charge. Sure, I now have 2 batteries and I can swap one in when the first dies--but will the second one I swap in have any juice in it? Its just that much more work to keep a second battery not only charged (as it is discharging so quickly) but also conditioned. What kind of discharges (without being used) is everyone experiencing with these ThinkPad 750 NiMH batteries? Mine easily seems toto lose 10% just sitting over night. Doesn't take more than 3 days or so for the whole thing to be just 1/2 to 3/4 discharged (or more). Is that typical for everyone? To lose that much charge so quickly? I realize NiMH do this faster than Ni-Cd's to, but *this* fast? Seems like unless I use it *immediately* after I unplug it from the wall, I will easily lose 5% or more of the charge by the time I actually turn the machine on. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin ----- End Included Message ----- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 18:43:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27306 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 18:43:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA16189; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:32:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:32:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA16180; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:32:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199402050032.TAA16180@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Battery Life on NiMH as they sit To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 16:32:37 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <9402041918.AA14119@aludra.usc.edu>; from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 4, 94 11:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > What kind of discharges (without being used) is everyone experiencing > with these ThinkPad 750 NiMH batteries? Mine easily seems toto lose 10% > just sitting over night. Doesn't take more than 3 days or so for the whole > thing to be just 1/2 to 3/4 discharged (or more). Are you sure about this? Back when I had 4MB, I would lose about 15% per day while in suspend mode. Outside the machine I lose about 5% a day. That's a little higher than what I hear is the norm for NiMH (2%) but this battery is supposed to have a microprocessor in it. You could try turning one of your batteries off while storing it. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 19:02:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02215 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:02:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA17069; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:48:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:48:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA17062; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 19:48:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199402050048.TAA17062@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Battery Life on NiMH as they sit To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 16:48:23 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <9402050023.AA09889@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU>; from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 4, 94 7:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > Just how accurate are these figures, my impression, not carefully verified, > is that a battery left outside the machine gives a pessimisic reading when > first loaded back in, and in paticular, it seems that even if such a battery > indicates say 70%, it takes only a very short time for it to be reading 95% > again if the machine is plugged in. I leave the monitor up all the time while under OS/2. It seems to use past discharges and current usage to determine the time remaining (if I go off a ramdisk for a while, the time remaining meter will increase accordingly, and rather accurately from my experience). The percentage remaining figure seems very accurate in my 750, with two exceptions. When I first got the computer, it reported I had 25% battery remaining just minutes before it died, which I chalked up to the battery not having been cycled (An interesting side note is that my initial battery life was around 4 hours, and 25% remaining would've projected out to 5+ hours). This problem disappeared after I cycled the battery a few times. The second time was when I got my 8MB upgrade. It took a couple of cycles before it corrected the time remaining figure, but for a couple dozen cycles the computer reported about 5% battery left when it went into failsafe suspend (the time remaining did correctly read 0:00 for a few minutes to up to a half hour before this point). I got tired of the inconsistency so I drained the battery overnight (left computer in suspend mode until all the lights went out), turned the battery off and let it sit overnight again, then turned it on and charged it again. It's been very accurate ever since. All in all, I've been very pleased with the battery and monitor considering some of the horror stories I've heard from people with other laptops. Now I find out maybe I just got lucky? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 20:27:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18529 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:27:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA22467; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:19:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:19:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA22460; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:19:56 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA17114 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:19:45 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402050219.AA17114@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: AT&T KIT modem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:19:44 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402041907.AA12230@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 4, 94 11:07:01 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > In any case, you may want to consider the AT&T KIT modem. It's in > > a PC/Mag review and tied with Intel for the fastest times. Also, > > Is that PCMCIA? What else? We only deal with the latest in goodies here! :) > > it has firmware so that you can use software to upgrade the modem. > > What kind of upgrades? Like to V.Fast? (!) I've been assured by two salesmen, one tech support, and one engineer that it will be upgradeable to v.34 (v.Fast). There's rumors of an interim v.32terbo -- BUT IT'S JUST RUMOR! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 20:36:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20017 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:36:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA23033; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:29:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:29:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA23026; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:29:17 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA18683 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:29:06 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402050229.AA18683@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Memory and Solaris To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:29:05 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402042345.AA17925@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Chuck McManis" at Feb 4, 94 03:45:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > of Sun Microsystems) I've got a 750c with the 340mb drive. I'm currently > running DOS/Windows on it but will put Solaris 2.3 on it when it had drivers Solaris? I'm not sure if that'll work. I hope that Keith Moore can tell you more. But he's had quite a time getting Linux hacked enogh to run on the TP750. I'd be interested in the results. > a megahz card. Like many people I'm appalled at how little memory I've got > left after loading drivers so and hints there are appreciated. I've got > ramboost configured which loads the pcmcia drivers in high memory but the > megahz modem doesn't work when it does this. Sigh. Be sure to exclude the necessary memory regions for your PCMCIA cards. Send us your CONFIG.SYS and AUTOEXEC.BAT. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 20:41:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20850 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:41:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA23394; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:35:15 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:35:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA23380; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:35:11 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA19753 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:34:58 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402050234.AA19753@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Battery Life on NiMH as they sit To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:34:56 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402050023.AA09889@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 4, 94 07:23:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > What I have not tested is the relative effect of leaving the battery on or > off. If you turn it off, wouldn't the battery lose it's charge? > Just how accurate are these figures, my impression, not carefully verified, is > that a battery left outside the machine gives a pessimisic reading when first > loaded back in, and in paticular, it seems that even if such a battery > indicates say 70%, it takes only a very short time for it to be reading 95% again > if the machine is plugged in. John Kim told us that the battery has some sort of processor built-in to change it's figures as we use it. So are you using the battery that's in store on a regular basis? Do you just swap batteries? My battery seems to take _forever_ to recharge ever since it came back from the service station. Maybe my battery is bad? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 4 20:57:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23741 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:57:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA24256; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:49:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:49:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA24249; Fri, 4 Feb 1994 21:49:49 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA22277 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:49:38 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402050249.AA22277@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: no subject (file transmission) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Feb 1994 20:49:37 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Hello all! It's that time again -- yes, battery rundown tests. I'd like to collect all the info and compile it into an "average" list so that we can compare times and get some realistic data. There are certain conditions I'd like to test. 1. No Activity Test: Disable the screen and hard drive suspend options. Don't have any apps other than either Windows or OS/2 and the fuel applet. Let it run down to 5%. 2. Suspend Test: Put your machine in suspend and let it sit. Now I know most of you are too busy to let your machines sit all the way through this one so I would just like you to record one or two overnight suspends. Record the exact time you suspend and the exact time you bring it out and check the fuel guage. 3. "Normal" High Use Test: Just go about your daily routines and record the time it takes for your machine to reach 5% fuel. Since this will probably be the most variable, I'd prefer multiple tests, if possible. Also, to standardize things, use the high setting. Leave the suspend screen and hard drive settings at a level where you normally would. And lastly, don't use PCMCIA cards. 4. "PCMCIA" Use Test: As #3 except use your PCMCIA card(s) the whole time. 5. "Normal" Medium Use Test: (OPTIONAL) See #3 except set it to the Medium level. 6. Game-Play Test: Yes, why not? Play a rather disk and CPU intensive game such as Wolfenstein 3-D and use the audio system. 7. In-Use Partial Recharge: How long does it take to recharge to 80% when you're using your machine? 8. In-Use Full Recharge: How about 99%? 9. Power-Off Recharge: How long does it take to recharge when your TP is off? I know that there are a lot of tests, but I feel that this will give us a better range to deal with. Also, not everyone will be able to tests all conditions so just send me what you can. Also, be sure to send it to me personally so that we don't pollute our mailing list. My email is seanchou@uiuc.edu. This is an example of what to send and what to include: ----------- System: TP750C, 12mb RAM, 340mb HD, OS/2 2.1 with MMPM/2 Test#2. 13% loss over 9:26 Test#3. Lotus 1-2-3, file management, various other data tasks. 2:14. ----------- BTW, those are real numbers. If you have any comments, please send them to me. And please try to get all the data in by the 19th. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 5 00:57:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00709 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Feb 1994 00:57:28 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA08153; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 01:46:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 01:46:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA08137; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 01:46:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199402050646.BAA08137@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 22:46:56 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402050219.AA17114@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Feb 4, 94 8:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > > it has firmware so that you can use software to upgrade the modem. > > > > What kind of upgrades? Like to V.Fast? (!) > > I've been assured by two salesmen, one tech support, and one > engineer that it will be upgradeable to v.34 (v.Fast). There's > rumors of an interim v.32terbo -- BUT IT'S JUST RUMOR! I think Hayes put out some ads recently that claimed to be using v.32terbo. 19.2 kbps I think it was. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 5 01:02:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01417 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Feb 1994 01:02:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA08519; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 01:53:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 01:53:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA08512; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 01:53:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199402050653.BAA08512@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: no subject (file transmission) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Feb 94 22:53:24 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402050249.AA22277@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Feb 4, 94 8:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > System: TP750C, 12mb RAM, 340mb HD, OS/2 2.1 with MMPM/2 > > Test#2. 13% loss over 9:26 > Test#3. Lotus 1-2-3, file management, various other data tasks. 2:14. > ----------- > > BTW, those are real numbers. If you have any comments, please send them > to me. And please try to get all the data in by the 19th. Please include where you bought the memory card, and if possible the manufacturer of the memory card. I want to see if going for the lowest price is really a good idea. I can tell you right off the bat I'm losing about 45% charge over 24 hours with my 12 MB card on my 750 mono. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 5 07:33:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08391 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Feb 1994 07:33:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA14373; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 08:27:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 08:27:39 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA14366; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 08:27:36 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12060; Sat, 5 Feb 94 08:27:38 -0500 Date: Sat, 5 Feb 94 08:27:38 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402051327.AA12060@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: no subject (file transmission) Status: OR jokim again mentions a 12 meg card, I assume this is a mistake, and that what he really has is an 8 meg card with the 4 meg base memory. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 5 14:41:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16591 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Feb 1994 14:41:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA08806; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 15:29:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 15:29:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA08799; Sat, 5 Feb 1994 15:29:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199402052029.PAA08799@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: no subject (file transmission) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sat, 5 Feb 94 12:29:08 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402051752.AA04404@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Feb 5, 94 11:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR I wrote: > > the bat I'm losing about 45% charge over 24 hours with my 12 MB > > card on my 750 mono. ^^^^^ ^^^^ That's a mistatement on my part. It should be "8MB card on..." or "12 MB on ..." See what nasty things can happen if you're trying to write a reply at 4:50 and you have an appointment to meet someone across the city at 5:00? :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 6 00:47:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21025 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Feb 1994 00:47:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA13657; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 01:40:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 01:40:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA13650; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 01:40:55 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA20174 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 6 Feb 1994 00:40:42 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402060640.AA20174@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Battery times To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 00:40:41 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402060624.WAA25878@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 5, 94 10:24:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > Test#2. 13% loss over 9:26 > > I had no idea that suspend was that efficient! Seems like I'm wasting > my time with the "Hibernate after 1 hour" option... Yeah, I stopped using Hibernation after I tested that out. I just leave it in suspend now. But of course, it seems that I get more loss nowadays. I'll have to take another test. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 6 13:45:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22068 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Feb 1994 13:45:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA04725; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:37:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:37:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA04718; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:37:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (postman@localhost) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id MAA06181 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:37:23 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:37:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:36:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.14.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:35:51 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <8hJGdrS00WB48_kEd1@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 12:35:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew A. Houghton" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Epsilon Status: OR Here's a strange one for the masses: Anyone use Lugaru's Epsilon? It's a programmer's editor (similar to Emacs) for OS/2 or DOS. Anyway -- for unknown reasons, Epsilon *will not* recognize -... it recognizes , loves the C key, but won't do both. It's not a problem outside of this program. Even stranger (and the reason I post this here) -- it's not a problem on any machine other than my 750. Any ideas? - Andrew From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 6 14:00:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25499 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Feb 1994 14:00:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA05787; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 13:06:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 13:06:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA05780; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 13:06:42 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA28415; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 10:06:45 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id KAA04255; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 10:06:44 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402061806.KAA04255@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Memory Cards To: jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU (John H. Kim) Date: Sun, 6 Feb 1994 10:06:44 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402050653.BAA08512@CS.UTK.EDU> from "John H. Kim" at Feb 4, 94 10:53:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > > System: TP750C, 12mb RAM, 340mb HD, OS/2 2.1 with MMPM/2 > > > > Test#2. 13% loss over 9:26 > Please include where you bought the memory card, and if possible > the manufacturer of the memory card. I want to see if going for I bought my 8MB card from a place in Washington (State) called "Omnitek Computers" (wanted to avoid CA sales tax). I was referred to them by the manufacturer of the memory card I decided to by--Simple Technologies. I saw Simple's ad in some publication when I was in Vegas at Comdex and decided to give them a shot. So far, I'm happy with it--I don't know about battery drain on Suspend, but in normal usage I *honestly* don't see any appreciable battery time difference. I paid $450 plus $10 shipping. I couldn't find anything less expensive, and as I said--so far, I couldn't be happier! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 6 19:33:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07149 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Feb 1994 19:33:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA01251; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 20:21:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 20:21:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA01241; Sun, 6 Feb 1994 20:21:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199402070121.UAA01241@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Battery Life on NiMH as they sit To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 6 Feb 94 17:21:47 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402060606.WAA23639@aludra.usc.edu>; from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 5, 94 10:06 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > Are you sure about this? Back when I had 4MB, I would lose about 15% > > per day while in suspend mode. Outside the machine I lose about 5% a > > It lasted *that* long sitting in suspend? Are you sure you don't > mean "hibernate"? I wouldn't know--I have mine set to go into hibernate if > it sits longer than 1 hour in suspend--I assumed suspend ate more power than > what you just said. Hibernate saves the contents of RAM and the CPU to the hard disk, then turns the computer off. The battery drain in hibernate is the same as the battery drain with the computer off. Suspend powers down everything except the CPU (which goes to 0 MHz) and RAM. Yes, I got 15% drain per day with 4MB. I was real happy about that until I got the 8MB extra memory and it shot up to 45% per day. From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Feb 6 22:39:41 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28202 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Feb 1994 22:39:38 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA19728; Sun, 6 Feb 94 23:39:38 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 94 23:39:38 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402070439.AA19728@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: no subject (file transmission) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR incidentally, one reason I very much dislike the "hibernate after x time" option is that you can imagine putting your machine in suspend and then who knows where it will be (being dumped roughly onto an Xray machine belt? or bounced around in a car) when the disk suddenly decides to spring to life! From bktarkington@ucdavis.edu Mon Feb 7 14:15:03 1994 Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06884 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Feb 1994 14:15:00 -0600 Received: from [128.120.18.112] (pc-lab-112.primate.ucdavis.edu) by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA15304; Mon, 7 Feb 94 11:55:27 PST Date: Mon, 7 Feb 94 11:55:26 PST Message-Id: <9402071955.AA15304@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Sean Chou From: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem Status: OR >> > In any case, you may want to consider the AT&T KIT modem. It's in >> > a PC/Mag review and tied with Intel for the fastest times. Also, >> >> Is that PCMCIA? > >What else? We only deal with the latest in goodies here! :) > >> > it has firmware so that you can use software to upgrade the modem. >> >> What kind of upgrades? Like to V.Fast? (!) > >I've been assured by two salesmen, one tech support, and one >engineer that it will be upgradeable to v.34 (v.Fast). There's >rumors of an interim v.32terbo -- BUT IT'S JUST RUMOR! This weekend I received a new J&R Computer World (800-221-8180) catalog. On page 21, they have the AT&T KIT for $289.95. Incidentally, they also have the Megahertz XJACK for the same price. It appears that prices are dropping on these modems. Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 10:43:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28131 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 10:43:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA09471; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:26:07 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:26:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA09460; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:26:00 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05232; Tue, 8 Feb 94 11:25:05 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402081625.AA05232@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: OS/2, PCMCIA Eth. & SUSPEND hangs system To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:25:03 -0500 (EST) Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: OR Hi, I cannot get my ThinkPad 750 to enter SUSPEND or HIBERNATE mode correctly, instead the system hangs with only the mouse still working (not even CTRL-ALT-DEL works anymore). This is my setup: ThinkPad 750 running OS/2 2.1 and TCP/IP 2.0 with NFS and the EZPlay V1.0 and Autoconfigurator drivers. I have an IBM PCMCIA credit card ethernet adapter installed, and it seems to be the NDIS MAC driver (PCMNICCS.OS2, NDIS 2.0.1 Version 1.3) which came with the card that causes these problems. For when I 'REM-out' the corresponding DEVICE statement in my CONFIG.SYS, SUSPEND and HIBERNATE work just fine -- but the ethernet software doesn't work, of course. Has anybody managed to get this to work? All help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 11:06:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07420 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:06:26 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA11499; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:51:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:51:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA11490; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:51:39 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA04314; Tue, 8 Feb 94 11:51:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 11:51:17 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402081651.AA04314@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: forster@ssnet.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: OS/2, PCMCIA Eth. & SUSPEND hangs system Status: OR I read somewhere in some documentation that you must close down TCP/IP before attempting to suspend. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 11:18:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12640 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:18:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA12151; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:00:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:00:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA12130; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:00:41 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05555; Tue, 8 Feb 94 11:59:53 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402081659.AA05555@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Re: OS/2, PCMCIA Eth. & SUSPEND hangs system To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:58:42 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <9402081651.AA04314@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 8, 94 11:51:17 am Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: forster@ssnet.com Status: OR Robert Dewar writes: : : I read somewhere in some documentation that you must close down TCP/IP : before attempting to suspend. : Thanks for your immediate reply! Actually, I'm not even starting TCP/IP and NFS and all that (I set it up so that I have to explicitly call the startup script, so that I don't have it all running when I'm not even connected to the network). The only things that are 'active' are those that have to be loaded in CONFIG.SYS -- how to you close down the NDIS driver PCMNICCS.OS2 and then start it again once you're back out of suspend mode? For all I know that is not possible. Thanks again, Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 12:03:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04218 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:03:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA15722; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:46:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:46:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA15715; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:46:56 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18424 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 11:46:58 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA06789; Tue, 8 Feb 94 11:52:04 CST Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 11:52:04 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9402081752.AA06789@kentucky> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: AT&T KeepInTouch Modems Status: OR Dear all: I want to thank Sean Chou for pointing out to me that the price of these modems has just dropped --- one can now buy them from Sparco (1-601-323-5360) for $280! I just saved $54 by waiting a week before ordering. So, I thought I would pass this info along! SW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology Professor, Beckman Institute ****************************************************************************** stanwass@uiuc.edu * sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * ********************* * 217 333-3325 * 217 244-6905 * 217 244-5876 (fax) * ****************************************************************************** From Exposure_Facility@primate.ucdavis.edu Tue Feb 8 12:18:54 1994 Received: from primate.ucdavis.edu (espace.primate.ucdavis.edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11542 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 12:18:35 -0600 Message-Id: <199402081818.AA11542@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: 8 Feb 1994 10:17:48 -0800 From: "Exposure Facility" Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem To: "Sean Chou" Status: OR Reply to: RE>>AT&T KIT modem Sean, There is no indication that the Megahertz modems offered by J&R have the 16550 UART. I have not been in touch with Megahertz because as you know, I lost interest in these. Incidentally, last week I thought I was having trouble receiving faxes. Embarrassingly, it turned out that the problem was at the other end in Cambridge. I found this out after contacting Sofnet (FaxWorks for OS/2), whose excellent tech support rep., David, said it must be the modem. I then called AT&T Paradyne (800-237-0016) and was put in touch with a rather unpleasant individual named Greg. He said that there were problems with FaxWorks and OS/2, neither was supported and there were no immediate plans to do so. He said that they had problems getting information from IBM. I know from you and an IBM person that AT&T has a beta OS/2 driver. I think someone at AT&T needs to clear this up. Anyway, later I conducted some fax send/receive tests with the AT&T KIT and faxed the results to David at Sofnet. Their standard driver and program work beautifully. The class-1 configuration with FIFO on (16550 UART) is the one to use. TCF does not seem to have an effect. BTW, I started your rigorous but necessary battery test protocol last night. Brian -------------------------------------- Date: 2/8/94 1:07 To: Exposure Facility From: Sean Chou Received: by primate.ucdavis.edu with SMTP;8 Feb 1994 01:07:38 -0800 Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA22740; Mon, 7 Feb 94 15:51:41 PST Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA14574 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for bktarkington@ucdavis.edu); Mon, 7 Feb 1994 17:51:22 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402072351.AA14574@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem To: bktarkington@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Date: Mon, 7 Feb 1994 17:51:21 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402071955.AA15304@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> from "Brian K. Tarkington" at Feb 7, 94 11:55:12 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 453 > This weekend I received a new J&R Computer World (800-221-8180) catalog. > On page 21, they have the AT&T KIT for $289.95. Incidentally, they also > have the Megahertz XJACK for the same price. It appears that prices are > dropping on these modems. Is the XJack the new one with the 16550? I imagined that these modems would drop fast once more notebooks got out there and the demand picked up... Such is the price we pay for being pioneers! :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 14:48:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01367 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 14:48:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA26410; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 15:15:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 15:15:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA26401; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 15:15:53 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA14339 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 14:15:41 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402082015.AA14339@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 14:15:40 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402081818.AA11542@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Exposure Facility" at Feb 8, 94 10:17:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > excellent tech support rep., David, said it must be the modem. I then called > AT&T Paradyne (800-237-0016) and was put in touch with a rather unpleasant > individual named Greg. He said that there were problems with FaxWorks and > OS/2, neither was supported and there were no immediate plans to do so. He > said that they had problems getting information from IBM. I know from you and > an IBM person that AT&T has a beta OS/2 driver. I think someone at AT&T needs > to clear this up. I have heard my information directly from the AT&T BBS. I have been calling nearly every night looking for the OS/2 beta drivers. I will let all know the minute they are released so that we can put it through our "rigorous" tests. As to the problems with FaxWorks...I assume you are talking about the non-OS/2 version. You may want to check out the OS/2 version. I don't know much about fax programs though since I don't really fax all that much. > Anyway, later I conducted some fax send/receive tests with the AT&T KIT and > faxed the results to David at Sofnet. Their standard driver and program work I'm glad to hear! Maybe I should start faxing... :) > BTW, I started your rigorous but necessary battery test protocol last night. Thank you! I haven't heard much so far about this and I'm just hoping it doesn't fall over dead... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 18:09:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04613 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 18:05:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA11252; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 18:29:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 18:29:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA11245; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 18:29:38 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA10606; Tue, 8 Feb 94 18:28:40 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402082328.AA10606@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem To: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 18:28:39 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9402082124.AA07733@opus.objy.com> from "Bruce Reed" at Feb 8, 94 01:24:27 pm Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: OR Bruce Reed writes: : : I'm also interested in using this modem under OS/2 so I called AT&T Paradyne : to get to get a second confirmation of the earlier report. Sure enough, AT&T : says OS/2 drivers are not available, OS/2 is not supported and they can't say : when or even if it will be supported. I don't know what they've got on their : BBS, but it sounds pretty clear to me. : : So what PCMCIA modems do have OS/2 drivers? : : --Bruce : Well folks, I'm very glad that I can make a positive contribution to this list! THE AT&T KEEP-IN-TOUCH MODEM DOES WORK WITH OS/2 ON THE TP750's! There is a new ThinkPad Utilities disk out (since some time in January), and it contains EasyPlay and Autoconfigurator drivers for PCMCIA (DOS, Windows and OS/2), and the AT&T Paradyne modem is supported by this (I'm writing this message using t with Kermit). AND IT ALSO WORKS WELL WITH FaxWorks for OS/2 (class-1). The ThinkPad Utilities disk can be found on CompuServe in the ThinkPad Forum library, the file name is UT750.EXE, which is a self-extracting archive (DOS). Make sure you also get he files EZPLAY.DOC (Word document) and EZPlAY.TXT (a short text version). I hope this helps a lot of people! Cheers, Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 18:56:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22989 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 18:52:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA14107; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 19:32:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 19:32:12 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA14094; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 19:32:09 -0500 Received: from [128.120.18.112] (pc-lab-112.primate.ucdavis.edu) by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA17631; Tue, 8 Feb 94 12:02:04 PST Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 12:02:03 PST Message-Id: <9402082002.AA17631@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu (Unverified) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Subject: BEST CARRYING CASES? Status: OR TP 750 Group Members: I need a nice carrying case for my TP. Currently I wrap it in an old tee shirt and use a briefcase. I don't think this affords maximum protection, and I constantly worry about it. Functionally and aesthetically the Targus "Premier Leather Case" seems nice; it is available in two sizes. Do the experienced notebook travellers in this group have any suggestions about what the best cases are? Thank you. Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 19:42:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08759 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 19:38:36 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA17019; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 20:24:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 20:24:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA17012; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 20:24:28 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu by usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3-USC+3.1) id AA07666; Tue, 8 Feb 94 17:24:30 PST Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id RAA22528; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 17:19:28 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402090119.RAA22528@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: BEST CARRYING CASES? To: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 17:19:27 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9402082002.AA17631@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> from "Brian K. Tarkington" at Feb 8, 94 12:02:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I need a nice carrying case for my TP. Currently I wrap it in an old tee > shirt and use a briefcase. I don't think this affords maximum protection, > and I constantly worry about it. Functionally and aesthetically the Targus > "Premier Leather Case" seems nice; it is available in two sizes. Do the > experienced notebook travellers in this group have any suggestions about > what the best cases are? Thank you. I have the "standard" IBM ThinkPad carrying case that works fine for me, but I am also very impressed with the "Port" carrying cases that use a suspension system to keep your notebook safe. Great design--but they're not cheap...then again, neither was your ThinkPad, so maybe its worth protecting. Look in your "Thank-You's from ThinkPad" booklet--there's a coupon. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 19:51:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11714 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 19:47:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA17651; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 20:34:05 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 20:34:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA17640; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 20:34:01 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA05113; Tue, 8 Feb 94 20:34:05 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 20:34:05 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402090134.AA05113@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: BEST CARRYING CASES? Status: OR my favorite case is the leather case that NEC makes for the Versa. It fits the TP750 and a couple of extra batteries very nicely, with odd compartments to spare for diskettes etc. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 19:56:14 1994 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13289 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 19:53:31 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06383 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 15:45:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA02245; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 16:25:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 16:25:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA02232; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 16:25:21 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwckj12172; Tue, 8 Feb 94 16:25:19 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18957; Tue, 8 Feb 94 13:16:11 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA14787; Tue, 8 Feb 94 13:24:53 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07733; Tue, 8 Feb 94 13:24:27 PST Date: Tue, 8 Feb 94 13:24:27 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9402082124.AA07733@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem Status: OR I'm also interested in using this modem under OS/2 so I called AT&T Paradyne to get to get a second confirmation of the earlier report. Sure enough, AT&T says OS/2 drivers are not available, OS/2 is not supported and they can't say when or even if it will be supported. I don't know what they've got on their BBS, but it sounds pretty clear to me. So what PCMCIA modems do have OS/2 drivers? --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 8 22:57:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11897 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 22:53:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id XAA28700; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 23:39:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 23:39:50 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id XAA28626; Tue, 8 Feb 1994 23:39:23 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA06880 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 8 Feb 1994 22:37:50 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402090437.AA06880@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Feb 1994 22:37:48 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402082124.AA07733@opus.objy.com> from "Bruce Reed" at Feb 8, 94 01:24:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I'm also interested in using this modem under OS/2 so I called AT&T Paradyne > to get to get a second confirmation of the earlier report. Sure enough, AT&T > says OS/2 drivers are not available, OS/2 is not supported and they can't say > when or even if it will be supported. I don't know what they've got on their > BBS, but it sounds pretty clear to me. Peter Forster has justed posted a message stating that there are new "easy-play" PCMCIA drivers for OS/2 out. He says that he has tested them with the AT&T KIT and they work. I will be d/l'ing them myself tonight and posting my report as well. I'm also curious in how they work with ethernet cards? Since I don't have one, I'll have to defer to the folks who do... > So what PCMCIA modems do have OS/2 drivers? Well, MHz is the only one that I know of. AT&T engineers have assured me that beta versions of the AT&T KIT OS/2 drivers will be available this month, but it seems to be a moot point with IBM updated drivers. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 06:38:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03409 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 06:33:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA04212; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 07:21:37 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 07:21:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA04205; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 07:21:34 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09608 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 06:21:36 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA08412; Wed, 9 Feb 94 06:26:51 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9402091226.AA08412@kentucky> Subject: Re: AT&T KeepInTouch Modem To: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 06:26:50 -0600 (CST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <40.292815.700.0CE16EE1@channel1.com> from "Joseph Pereira" at Feb 9, 94 00:58:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL2] Content-Type: text Status: OR ---> --->Subject: Re: AT&T KeepInTouch Modems ---> ---> --->>I want to thank Sean Chou for pointing out to me that the price --->> of these modems has just dropped --- one can now buy --->> them from Sparco (1-601-323-5360) for $280! ---> --->>I just saved $54 by waiting a week before ordering. ---> --->>So, I thought I would pass this info along! ---> --->1) Stanley, is this the same modem that has "updatable firmware" and has ---> a 16550 UART? --->2) What king of *guarantee* and* warranty* is being offered ---> by Sparco? ---> --->Is this thing about being able to upgrade to V.fast, with just software, --->for real? It just seems too good to be true. ---> --->If anyone out there can confirm this, I'm ordering one immediately! :) ---> --->Thanks Stanley for sharing your information with all of us! --->Joseph Pereira ---> Apparently, AT&T dropped the price to better compete with other manufacturers. From what I have been told, this is exactly the same modem that others on this mailing list have been writing about. The guarantee and warranty is no different than before --- my modem should be arriving later this week (3-day shipping was $10). Call SPARCO yourself it you want confirmation! SW -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology Professor, Beckman Institute ****************************************************************************** stanwass@uiuc.edu * sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * ********************* * 217 333-3325 * 217 244-6905 * 217 244-5876 (fax) * ****************************************************************************** From forster@ssnet.com Wed Feb 9 08:08:43 1994 Received: from marlin.ssnet.com (ssnet.com) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10467 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 08:05:58 -0600 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18293; Wed, 9 Feb 94 09:04:36 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402091404.AA18293@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:04:35 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199402090437.AA06880@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Feb 8, 94 10:37:48 pm Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 2051 Status: OR Sean Chou writes: : : Peter Forster has justed posted a message stating that there are new : "easy-play" PCMCIA drivers for OS/2 out. He says that he has tested : them with the AT&T KIT and they work. I will be d/l'ing them myself : tonight and posting my report as well. : : I'm also curious in how they work with ethernet cards? Since I don't : have one, I'll have to defer to the folks who do... : Well, I also have an IBM PCMCIA ethernet card, and it, too, works with the EasyPlay and Autoconfigurator drivers. Ethernet cards are not supported by the EasyPlay drivers themselves (for OS/2), but the driver that belongs to the card can be used. You just need to follow the instructions in the EasyPlay manual and enter a section for the ethernet card with 'Options=Ignore' into the AUTODRV2.INI file and load the card's driver (PCMNICCS.OS2 in my case) before the AUTODRV2.SYS driver in your CONFIG.SYS -- and you're all set! If there are any specific questions or problems with setting this up, I'll be glad to try to help. The only problem I have left with using the ethernet credit card is that I cannot enter suspend or hibernation mode as long as the driver PCMNICCS.OS2 is loaded in CONFIG.SYS. Depending on where in the CONFIG.SYS file I put the Advanced Power Management driver APM.SYS, the system either hangs whith only the mouse still working (if I have APM.SYS where the installation put it), or the system simply states that it cannot enter suspend/hibernate mode (if APM.SYS is the first DEVICE= statement; but then the 'Power' utility in the OS/2 System Setup says that the APM drivers weren't loaded -- go figure). Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 08:21:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13024 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 08:20:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA10931; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:07:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:07:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA10924; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:07:33 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18293; Wed, 9 Feb 94 09:04:36 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402091404.AA18293@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:04:35 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402090437.AA06880@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Feb 8, 94 10:37:48 pm Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: OR Sean Chou writes: : : Peter Forster has justed posted a message stating that there are new : "easy-play" PCMCIA drivers for OS/2 out. He says that he has tested : them with the AT&T KIT and they work. I will be d/l'ing them myself : tonight and posting my report as well. : : I'm also curious in how they work with ethernet cards? Since I don't : have one, I'll have to defer to the folks who do... : Well, I also have an IBM PCMCIA ethernet card, and it, too, works with the EasyPlay and Autoconfigurator drivers. Ethernet cards are not supported by the EasyPlay drivers themselves (for OS/2), but the driver that belongs to the card can be used. You just need to follow the instructions in the EasyPlay manual and enter a section for the ethernet card with 'Options=Ignore' into the AUTODRV2.INI file and load the card's driver (PCMNICCS.OS2 in my case) before the AUTODRV2.SYS driver in your CONFIG.SYS -- and you're all set! If there are any specific questions or problems with setting this up, I'll be glad to try to help. The only problem I have left with using the ethernet credit card is that I cannot enter suspend or hibernation mode as long as the driver PCMNICCS.OS2 is loaded in CONFIG.SYS. Depending on where in the CONFIG.SYS file I put the Advanced Power Management driver APM.SYS, the system either hangs whith only the mouse still working (if I have APM.SYS where the installation put it), or the system simply states that it cannot enter suspend/hibernate mode (if APM.SYS is the first DEVICE= statement; but then the 'Power' utility in the OS/2 System Setup says that the APM drivers weren't loaded -- go figure). Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From forster@ssnet.com Wed Feb 9 09:20:06 1994 Received: from marlin.ssnet.com (ssnet.com) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03701 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:20:03 -0600 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19024; Wed, 9 Feb 94 10:19:24 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402091519.AA19024@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:19:23 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199402091507.AA00262@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Feb 9, 94 09:07:49 am Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1139 Status: OR Sean Chou writes: : : I don't even know where the EasyPlay manuals are. I looked around the : disk for any sign of documentation but it seemed to be sorely lacking. : What's the name of the EasyPlay doc? These are two separate files in the THINKPAD library on CompuServe, called EZPLAY.DOC and EZPLAY.TXT, the latter containing only the last two pages of the Word document (.DOC) in text format. They are not on the Thinkpad Utilities Disk. : : Have you contacted IBM on this? I'd be interested in seeing it work : properly since I'd like to get a ethernet card someday... : Yes, I have, and they are working on it (i.e. trying to figure out where the problem lies). I'll post as soon as I have a definitive answer from them. Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 09:21:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04429 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:21:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA14783; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:08:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:08:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA14773; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:08:00 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA00262 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:07:50 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402091507.AA00262@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:07:49 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402091404.AA18293@marlin.ssnet.com> from "Peter Forster" at Feb 9, 94 09:04:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Well, I also have an IBM PCMCIA ethernet card, and it, too, works with the > EasyPlay and Autoconfigurator drivers. Ethernet cards are not supported by > the EasyPlay drivers themselves (for OS/2), but the driver that belongs to > the card can be used. You just need to follow the instructions in the > EasyPlay manual and enter a section for the ethernet card with 'Options=Ignore' I don't even know where the EasyPlay manuals are. I looked around the disk for any sign of documentation but it seemed to be sorely lacking. What's the name of the EasyPlay doc? > The only problem I have left with using the ethernet credit card is that I > cannot enter suspend or hibernation mode as long as the driver PCMNICCS.OS2 Have you contacted IBM on this? I'd be interested in seeing it work properly since I'd like to get a ethernet card someday... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 09:41:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10924 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:41:36 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA15954; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:20:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:20:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA15928; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:20:17 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19024; Wed, 9 Feb 94 10:19:24 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402091519.AA19024@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:19:23 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402091507.AA00262@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Feb 9, 94 09:07:49 am Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: OR Sean Chou writes: : : I don't even know where the EasyPlay manuals are. I looked around the : disk for any sign of documentation but it seemed to be sorely lacking. : What's the name of the EasyPlay doc? These are two separate files in the THINKPAD library on CompuServe, called EZPLAY.DOC and EZPLAY.TXT, the latter containing only the last two pages of the Word document (.DOC) in text format. They are not on the Thinkpad Utilities Disk. : : Have you contacted IBM on this? I'd be interested in seeing it work : properly since I'd like to get a ethernet card someday... : Yes, I have, and they are working on it (i.e. trying to figure out where the problem lies). I'll post as soon as I have a definitive answer from them. Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 09:43:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11378 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:42:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA16241; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:24:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:24:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA16230; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:24:50 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA05314 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:24:39 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402091524.AA05314@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 09:24:33 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402091519.AA19024@marlin.ssnet.com> from "Peter Forster" at Feb 9, 94 10:19:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > These are two separate files in the THINKPAD library on CompuServe, called > EZPLAY.DOC and EZPLAY.TXT, the latter containing only the last two pages of > the Word document (.DOC) in text format. They are not on the Thinkpad Utilities > Disk. Ah...well, I'll be sure to pick them up. They are quite nice seeming utilities, no? I just d/l'ed with my 16550 in the background while opening all sorts of windows and even running AVI files without a hitch. > Yes, I have, and they are working on it (i.e. trying to figure out where > the problem lies). I'll post as soon as I have a definitive answer from them. Great! I hope they solve it soon. From bktarkington@ucdavis.edu Wed Feb 9 13:10:27 1994 Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17503 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:10:25 -0600 Received: from [128.120.18.112] (pc-lab-112.primate.ucdavis.edu) by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (4.1/UCD2.05) id AA28208; Wed, 9 Feb 94 11:00:12 PST Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 11:00:10 PST Message-Id: <9402091900.AA28208@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Sean Chou From: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem Status: OR >As to the problems with FaxWorks...I assume you are talking about the >non-OS/2 version. You may want to check out the OS/2 version. I don't >know much about fax programs though since I don't really fax all that >much. I have the OS/2 version, and it works great. I recommend it highly. > >I'm glad to hear! Maybe I should start faxing... :) > I have gotten carried away with this capability and have sent about 80 so far. Its cheaper than mail. One page to the east coast costs me as little as $0.15. Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 13:26:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23330 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:25:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA02463; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:41:51 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:41:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA02455; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:41:46 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26932; Wed, 9 Feb 94 10:39:52 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00426; Wed, 9 Feb 94 10:40:45 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01118; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:39:30 +0800 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 10:39:30 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402091839.AA01118@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: forster@ssnet.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards In-Reply-To: <9402091519.AA19024@marlin.ssnet.com> References: <199402091507.AA00262@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> <9402091519.AA19024@marlin.ssnet.com> Status: OR Amazing that the EZplay doc isn't provided on the IBM BBS! Any chance you can make it available for FTP someplace, for those of us without CompuServe accounts? Thanks - ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 14:45:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28160 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 14:45:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA09242; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 14:53:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 14:53:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA09235; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 14:53:57 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09029 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 13:53:58 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA09144; Wed, 9 Feb 94 13:59:17 CST Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 13:59:17 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9402091959.AA09144@kentucky> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: AT&T KeepInTouch Modem Status: OR The warranty offered by Sparco is the standard 5 year warranty. Mine arrived today ... very fast response! SW From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 14:52:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01788 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 14:52:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA11021; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:16:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:16:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA11009; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:16:31 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21881; Wed, 9 Feb 94 15:15:33 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402092015.AA21881@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:15:32 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9402091839.AA01118@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Bob Page" at Feb 9, 94 10:39:30 am Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: OR Bob Page writes: : : Amazing that the EZplay doc isn't provided on the IBM BBS! Any chance : you can make it available for FTP someplace, for those of us without : CompuServe accounts? Thanks - : : ..bob : I cannot put it on the site I am working through, but if someone can suggest a suitable ftp site, I'll be glad to upload them there. The mentioned ascii text file is only two pages long, so I'll just append it to this message. That should help getting started. The Word document is 12 pages long with nice graphics, explaining also the setup for DOS and Windows. Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== (Note: this information was uploaded by Jaren Levitt to CompuServe THINKPAD Forum) USING PC Cards With the Auto Configurator/ Card Playing software... Using the Auto Configurator When a PC card is installed in the computer, the Auto Configurator enables the PC cards even when the device driver supplied with the PC card is not installed. The PC cards that ThinkPad 750 series supports with the Auto Configuator are listed in the PCMCIA.CRD file on Utilty Diskette. When the Auto Configurator is installed, the following line is added to CONFIG.SYS file: DEVICE=[DRIVE] [PATH] AUTODRV.SYS [DRIVE] [PATH] AUTODRV.INI The basic structure of the data file for the Auto Configurator (AUTODRIV.INI) is as follows: [Card name] CardID=card name Keyword1=data1,Keyword2=data2,... Keyword1=data1,Keyword2=data2,... Keyword1=data1,Keyword2=data2,... Keyword1=data1,Keyword2=data2,... When Using a Modem Card When a modem card (assuming that it is listed in PCMCIA.CRD) is installed in the PC card slot, the Auto Configurator assings the IRQ level and the I/O window from the information in the data file (AUTODRV.INI) and data from the modem. For example, the data file can look like this: [MODEM] CardID=MODEM,MD24X Port1=3F8,IRQ=4 Port1=2F8,IRQ=3 Port1=3E8,IRQ=3 Port1=2E8,IRQ=3 Starting from the first "Port1" line, the Auto Configurator tries to assign Port1=3F8, IRQ=4 for the modem. Suppose I/O port 3F8H is already by the system serial port, the Auto Configurator does not recognize your modem card, you must add an identification after the "CardID=MODEM" parameter for your modem card. Use the characters which are shown under "Card Information" in EasyPlaying to identify your modem. Write all characters in upper case: a maxiumum of five characters can be used. In the above example, MD24X is set to identify the modem card. Example of Not Using the Auto Configurator When you are using drivers that have the enabling function of the of the PC card on the card services, such as Ethernet NDIS MAC driver, you do not need to use the Auto Configurator. When you do not use the auto Configurator, add the following line after the CardID" parameter Option=Ignore For example: [Ethernet] CardID=ETHER Option=Ignore Port1=300,IRQ=5,Memory1=CC00,Waitstate=1 Example of the Memory Area for the Card Services and Token Ring The followingis an example of the memory area for the Card services and Token Ring. * A line in the CONFIG.SYS file. DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C000-CFFF * Lines from the data file (AUTODRV.INI) [Token Ring] CardID=TOKEN Port1=A20,IRQ=9,Memory1=CA00,Memory2=D800,MemSize2=16,RingSpeed=4 Port1=A20,IRQ=9,Memory1=CA00,Memory2=CC00,MemSize2=16,RingSpeed=4 Memory1, Memory2 The base address of the memory window in hexadecimal segmant address. MemSize1,MemSize2 The size of the memory window in decimal (Kbyte unit) In the above example, the memory area for "Memory2" in the first "Port1" is not within the area specified by the "MA=" parameter and as a result, the Auto Configurator will not assign the Token Ring. The Auto Configurator will then assign the Token Ring from details of the second "Port1" line. Carefully check each application program for use so that the memory area is speified by the "MA=" parameter. Aplause Aplause Aplause Aplause!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!! P.S. Copied from IBM document #82G4665 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 16:44:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23319 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 16:44:32 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA20960; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 17:27:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 17:27:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA20951; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 17:26:59 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA14925 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 16:26:47 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402092226.AA14925@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 16:26:46 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402091839.AA01118@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Bob Page" at Feb 9, 94 10:39:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Amazing that the EZplay doc isn't provided on the IBM BBS! Any chance > you can make it available for FTP someplace, for those of us without > CompuServe accounts? Thanks - I will make it available at the same FTP site as I place the archives and the FAQs assuming it's not against some sort of IBM rule... The good news is that I logged into NSC yesterday and they had a poll for a connection to the Internet. So far, ~650 voted yes and ~10 voted no. Keep your fingers crossed! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 17:32:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15410 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 17:32:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA24614; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 18:17:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 18:17:34 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA24606; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 18:17:32 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwcoj03160; Wed, 9 Feb 94 18:17:33 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22112; Wed, 9 Feb 94 15:08:22 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA13680; Wed, 9 Feb 94 15:17:07 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18732; Wed, 9 Feb 94 15:16:38 PST Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 15:16:38 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9402092316.AA18732@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards Status: OR > Bob Page writes: > : > : Amazing that the EZplay doc isn't provided on the IBM BBS! Any chance > : you can make it available for FTP someplace, for those of us without > : CompuServe accounts? Thanks - > : > : ..bob > : > > I cannot put it on the site I am working through, but if someone can suggest > a suitable ftp site, I'll be glad to upload them there. The mentioned ascii > text file is only two pages long, so I'll just append it to this message. > That should help getting started. The Word document is 12 pages long with > nice graphics, explaining also the setup for DOS and Windows. > > Peter You may be able to upload it to ftp.cdrom.com. They have an OS/2 archive that has an "ibm" directory for IBM supplied fixes. This seems appropriate since the EZplay stuff applies to OS/2 as well. New files are uploaded into the /pub/incoming directory, in which you'll find a README file that has a submission form. Since they normally want program submissions, it would be best to package up a zip file with the various drivers and documentation. I don't want to get anyone into any legal scuffles, so I would suggest contacting IBM first to see if it's okay with them for you to repackage and publically distribute the stuff. I would be willing to do this myself, but unfortunately I don't have the diskette or doc. Anyone want to send me a copy? --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 18:17:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04223 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 18:17:05 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA26374; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 18:45:05 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 18:45:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA26356; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 18:44:59 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16238; Wed, 9 Feb 94 15:44:56 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11175; Wed, 9 Feb 94 15:46:02 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01335; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:44:46 +0800 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 15:44:46 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402092344.AA01335@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards In-Reply-To: <199402092226.AA14925@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <199402092226.AA14925@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> <9402091839.AA01118@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> Status: OR > I will make it available at the same FTP site as I place the archives > and the FAQs assuming it's not against some sort of IBM rule... Great, thanks. And next you'll say where the FTP site is, right? :-) > The good news is that I logged into NSC yesterday and they had a poll NSC? Natl Semi? ..bob From whittle@chaph.usc.edu Wed Feb 9 19:46:58 1994 Received: from usc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04143 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 19:46:55 -0600 Received: from phakt.usc.edu by usc.edu (4.1/SMI-3.0DEV3-USC+3.1) id AA24983; Wed, 9 Feb 94 17:47:08 PST Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by phakt.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id RAA20996 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 17:42:04 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402100142.RAA20996@phakt.usc.edu> Subject: Re: EZPlay & Ethernet cards To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 17:42:03 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199402092226.AA14925@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Feb 9, 94 04:26:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1015 Status: OR > > > Amazing that the EZplay doc isn't provided on the IBM BBS! Any chance > > you can make it available for FTP someplace, for those of us without > > CompuServe accounts? Thanks - > > I will make it available at the same FTP site as I place the archives > and the FAQs assuming it's not against some sort of IBM rule... Can you tell me what the FTP site is? > The good news is that I logged into NSC yesterday and they had a poll > for a connection to the Internet. So far, ~650 voted yes and ~10 > voted no. Keep your fingers crossed! I just logged on today--the number of "yes's" was over 700 (and I was one of them). What kind of an idiot would vote "No"? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 20:42:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21072 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 20:42:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA06109; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 21:24:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 21:24:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA06102; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 21:24:21 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA15582 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 20:24:10 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402100224.AA15582@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: FAQ Site & NSC To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 9 Feb 1994 20:24:09 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402092344.AA01335@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Bob Page" at Feb 9, 94 03:44:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Great, thanks. And next you'll say where the FTP site is, right? :-) Uh, sure...as soon as I know myself! :) Someone once sent me some sites to post them too, but I seem to have lost it. Can he please repost that FTP site where tons of FAQs and the such go? > > The good news is that I logged into NSC yesterday and they had a poll > > NSC? Natl Semi? I have no idea what it means really. No one ever reads those intro screens. It's IBM's BBS though. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 21:59:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17715 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 21:59:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA10947; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 22:38:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 22:38:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from UTKVM1.UTK.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA10940; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 22:38:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199402100338.WAA10940@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from UTKVM1.BITNET by UTKVM1.UTK.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9557; Wed, 09 Feb 94 22:37:46 LCL Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU by UTKVM1.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 6804; Wed, 09 Feb 94 22:37:46 LCL Received: from PSUVM.PSU.EDU (NJE origin WPA@PSUVM) by PSUVM.PSU.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with RFC822 id 2675; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 22:37:44 -0500 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 22:37 EST From: "Rick Andrew" Subject: 2.88 meg floppies for the TP750 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Does anybody know a good REASONABLY priced source for 2.88 meg floppies. I'd like to take full advantage of the TP's floppy drive but so far the best price I've been able to get on the 2.88 floppies is $65.00 for 10...Way, way out of the ballpark. If anyone has any good sources, I'd appreciate hearing about them. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 9 22:24:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24719 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Feb 1994 22:24:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id XAA12881; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 23:00:51 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 23:00:50 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.Claremont.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id XAA12869; Wed, 9 Feb 1994 23:00:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199402100400.XAA12869@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: FAQ Site & NSC To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 9 Feb 94 20:00:50 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402100224.AA15582@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Feb 9, 94 8:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > > The good news is that I logged into NSC yesterday and they had a poll > > > > NSC? Natl Semi? > > I have no idea what it means really. No one ever reads those intro > screens. It's IBM's BBS though. IBM National Support Center BBS. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 10 00:04:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21639 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Feb 1994 00:04:54 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA18907; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 00:39:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 00:39:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA18900; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 00:39:08 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14929; Thu, 10 Feb 94 00:39:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 00:39:03 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402100539.AA14929@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: WPA@PSUVM.PSU.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 2.88 meg floppies for the TP750 Status: OR Lyben sells them at about $39.00/10 (several different brands), that's about the cheapest that are available as far as I can tell. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 10 13:29:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27128 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Feb 1994 13:29:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA18581; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 13:50:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 13:50:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA18561; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 13:50:46 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA21277; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 10:50:40 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id KAA25594; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 10:49:11 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402101849.KAA25594@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: 750 Ce To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu Date: Thu, 10 Feb 1994 10:49:10 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9402100749.AA21510@husc7.harvard.edu> from "chan4@husc.harvard.edu" at Feb 10, 94 02:49:36 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > Hey, anyone know if there will be an upgrade to the 750 Ce??? Seems rather > mean of IBM not to offer the Ce to everyone but hte Fortune 500's (special > bid) and overseas....:( Care to explain what exactly a 750Ce is? I know only of a 750, 750P (pen-based), 750Cs (Dual-Scan color), and 750C (Active-Matrix Color). So what's a Ce? I didn't even see that one at Comdex! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 10 14:13:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15452 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Feb 1994 14:13:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA21649; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 14:32:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 14:32:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA21640; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 14:32:42 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA19753; Thu, 10 Feb 94 14:32:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 14:32:12 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402101932.AA19753@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: 750 Ce Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR the TP750ce is a special order version of the TP750C with a 25/50 MHz DX2 instead of the 33MHz chip, and a VESA local bus video interface. Actually I would find it more interesting if it used the 33/66, a number of my programs actually run slower on a 25/50 than on a 33. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 10 16:51:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25479 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Feb 1994 16:50:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA04165; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:06:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:06:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA04158; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:06:17 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwcrw18684; Thu, 10 Feb 94 17:05:39 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24731; Thu, 10 Feb 94 13:56:27 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA09621; Thu, 10 Feb 94 14:05:16 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04834; Thu, 10 Feb 94 14:04:43 PST Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 14:04:43 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9402102204.AA04834@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 750 Ce Status: OR > the TP750ce is a special order version of the TP750C with a 25/50 MHz > DX2 instead of the 33MHz chip, and a VESA local bus video interface. > > Actually I would find it more interesting if it used the 33/66, a number > of my programs actually run slower on a 25/50 than on a 33. > I thought all of the 750's were VESA local bus, no? With the DX and it's itegrated FPU you probably would see a dramatic improvement in applications that do a lot of number crunching. But most benchmarks cover a wide range of applications and consider video and well as CPU and FPU performance. With the 33 Mhz CPU and the VESA local bus the 750 beats just about all DX 25 systems and quite a few DX/2 50 systems that don't have the local bus advantage. While shopping I compared benchmarks to the Gateway Colorbook DX/33 (which I bought and retured.) The 750 was far behind the Colorbook on individual number crunching tests, but overall the 750 kicked it's butt. --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 10 17:04:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01630 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:03:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA05793; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:28:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:28:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA05769; Thu, 10 Feb 1994 17:28:38 -0500 Received: by aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA09673; Thu, 10 Feb 94 17:27:23 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Feb 94 17:27:23 -0500 From: powers@aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com (Clifton Powers) Message-Id: <9402102227.AA09673@aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 750Ce Status: OR >the TP750ce is a special order version of the TP750C with a 25/50 MHz >DX2 instead of the 33MHz chip, and a VESA local bus video interface. I thought the TP750C did have VESA local bus or is it external. From jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu Fri Feb 11 02:37:53 1994 Received: from jenner.med.harvard.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15230 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 02:37:52 -0600 Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10074; Fri, 11 Feb 94 03:36:23 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA760966672 Fri, 11 Feb 94 03:37:52 EST Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 03:37:52 EST From: jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu Message-Id: <9401117609.AA760966672@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: re: FAQ Site Status: OR The FIRST place I look for FAQ's is rtfm.mit.edu (rtfm, of course, stands for Read-The-Fine-Manual). You might want to check out index.almaden.ibm.com This definetely works as a gopher server and has a section for user-generated files. I think it also responds as an ftp site but I haven't checked that recently. BTW, I am eagerly awaiting seeing the tp750 FAQ. It will be nice to have a summary of how to do it stuff that we know works! __________________________original message______________________________ > Great, thanks. And next you'll say where the FTP site is, right? :-) Uh, sure...as soon as I know myself! :) Someone once sent me some sites to post them too, but I seem to have lost it. Can he please repost that FTP site where tons of FAQs and the such go? > > The good news is that I logged into NSC yesterday and they had a poll > > NSC? Natl Semi? I have no idea what it means really. No one ever reads those intro screens. It's IBM's BBS though. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 11 12:04:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11249 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 12:04:25 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA24513; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 12:20:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 12:20:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA24500; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 12:20:39 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA23414 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 11:20:26 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402111720.AA23414@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: FAQ Site To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 11:20:25 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9401117609.AA760966672@warren.med.harvard.edu> from "jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu" at Feb 11, 94 03:37:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > BTW, I am eagerly awaiting seeing the tp750 FAQ. It > will be nice to have a summary of how to do it stuff > that we know works! Great! Thanks for the FTP site. I haven't been able to work on the FAQ much lately since I've been bogged down with work, but I will get a chance next week. I can load what I have up there if the people on this list express an interest in a pre-finished-beta FAQ. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 11 14:35:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19815 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 14:34:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA08053; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 15:02:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 15:02:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uu.psi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA08040; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 15:02:34 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP by uu.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA14047 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 94 14:50:53 -0500 Received: by channel1 (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id E17010; Fri, 11 Feb 94 08:22:34 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Surge Suppression From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.295100.700.0CE17010@channel1.com> Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 00:02:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1 Communications Status: OR Subject: Surge Suppression Greetings..... 1) Anyone happen to know if the 750c has a built-in Surge Suppresser? If not, is there a portable one out there? Joseph Pereira 2) Anyone have any opinions on either the Colorado or Iomega (parallel port) Tape Backups? Joseph From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 11 16:25:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04165 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:25:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA16285; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:43:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:43:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA16277; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:43:35 -0500 Received: by amdahl.com (/\==/\ Smail #25.33) id ; Fri, 11 Feb 94 13:43 PST Received: by cessna.oes.amdahl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/DNS) id AA07265; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 13:43:02 +0800 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 13:43:02 +0800 From: lenj@oes.amdahl.com (Len Jacobson) Message-Id: <9402112143.AA07265@cessna.oes.amdahl.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, joseph.pereira@channel1.com Subject: Re: Surge Suppression X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: OR Not responding directly to your email, I wanted to say that I have a Colorado (250 MB) tape backup on my desktop. Using 'interlnk/intersvr', I have defined my TP hard disk as the desktop's "g:" disk. Then I used my normal tape backup procedures to backup the "g:" drive. I didn't measure the time exactly, but it was about 3X the time it takes to backup the desktop's (almost same size) disk. I was quite pleased with the result. It meant I didn't have to buy a tape drive for the TP. Len Jacobson ----- Begin Included Message ----- 2) Anyone have any opinions on either the Colorado or Iomega (parallel port) Tape Backups? Joseph ----- End Included Message ----- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 11 16:33:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06648 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:33:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17279; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:57:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:57:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amdahl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17272; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 16:57:42 -0500 Received: by amdahl.com (/\==/\ Smail #25.33) id ; Fri, 11 Feb 94 13:57 PST Received: by cessna.oes.amdahl.com (5.0/SMI-4.1/DNS) id AA07307; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 13:57:05 +0800 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 13:57:05 +0800 From: lenj@oes.amdahl.com (Len Jacobson) Message-Id: <9402112157.AA07307@cessna.oes.amdahl.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, joseph.pereira@channel1.com, lenj@oes.amdahl.com, dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Subject: Re: Surge Suppression X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: OR Sorry, I should have been more specific. Those are utilities of MS-DOS and PC-DOS. They are executed from the DOS prompt, but when you enter Windows, their services are still available. If you want more particulars, take a look in any DOS 6+ manual. Len Jacobson ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Fri Feb 11 13:52 PST 1994 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 94 16:50:37 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, joseph.pereira@channel1.com, lenj@oes.amdahl.com Subject: Re: Surge Suppression what operating systenm does interlnk/intersrvr run under? ----- End Included Message ----- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 11 20:54:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08118 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 20:54:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA02880; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 21:37:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 21:37:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA02871; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 21:37:19 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA04353 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 20:37:09 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402120237.AA04353@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Surge Suppression To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 20:37:08 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <40.295100.700.0CE17010@channel1.com> from "Joseph Pereira" at Feb 11, 94 00:01:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > 1) Anyone happen to know if the 750c has a built-in Surge Suppresser? > If not, is there a portable one out there? Joseph Pereira I know of a surge supressor called LapTrax. It costs $59 from Tiger Software and appears to have insurance to cover your notebook from accidents as well as theft. I didn't believe it until I saw it show up in PC/Magazine new trends article. > 2) Anyone have any opinions on either the Colorado or Iomega (parallel > port) Tape Backups? I'd like one but they seem to be only supported by DOS/Win right now. That pretty much precludes me since I use OS/2. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 11 20:55:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08229 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 20:55:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA02911; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 21:39:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 21:39:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA02904; Fri, 11 Feb 1994 21:39:36 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA04712 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 11 Feb 1994 20:39:26 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402120239.AA04712@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Interlink To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 11 Feb 1994 20:39:26 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402112150.AA26735@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 11, 94 04:50:23 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > what operating systenm does interlnk/intersrvr run under? I've talked to OS/2 tech support about this (not saying that they're always right, or even often right). They say that an OS/2 machine can act as a client but not a server due to the way Interserver accesses the disk. I've found it necessary to start up a "Real" DOS session (via boot image) to even load the drivers though. I haven't yet tried to connect but I plan to soon. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 13 01:34:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11229 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 13 Feb 1994 01:34:24 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA16337; Sun, 13 Feb 1994 02:14:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 13 Feb 1994 02:14:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA16330; Sun, 13 Feb 1994 02:14:26 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA09736 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 13 Feb 1994 01:14:15 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402130714.AA09736@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Surge Suppression To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 01:14:14 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402122113.NAA13859@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 12, 94 01:13:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > They do make a parallel-port version. I'm not certain whether they > have OS/2 software (of if it is necessary) unique to it, but I do know they > have OS/2 software for the "regular" version. I'll call them tomorrow and post to the group about it. > Are you using it for backups or are you trying to swap 100MB of > data with other people? Eh, both really, but my main priority is backing up my own data. I also use it to transport some files back and forth or to setup different computers (I have my TP and a desktop - well, actually it's my roommate's). > durable/reliable if the tape should be damaged. I've heard of people > retrieving tapes from fires and though they couldn't read it, sending it > back to the company allowed them to retrieve all of the data. Hmm...very impressive! > Give 'em a call and find out about the parallel--I know the parallel > had its own DOS version of EZTape that wouldn't work with the "standard" > version of EZTape, so that may be a problem under OS/2--in which case you'll > either have to get the "normal" Irwin Accutrak or figure something else > out... Well, I have a Colorado DJ20 right now in my roommate's desktop (it's my tape drive though). I was wondering if I could just set up a network and back up over that...using something like BackMaster. I realize it'd be overkill to setup a network for that but I also want to learn more about them... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 13 23:29:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28399 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 13 Feb 1994 23:29:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA08729; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 00:18:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 00:18:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA08722; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 00:18:33 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA25395 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 13 Feb 1994 23:18:22 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402140518.AA25395@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Tapes, Interlink, and such... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 13 Feb 1994 23:18:21 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402140124.RAA27551@girtab.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 13, 94 05:24:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I've been tempted for some time to do that with my notebook/desktop > setup--but I can't really justify the cost except with minor convenience. I'd think of it as an educational experience. I've even thought of picking up maybe a 386 to act as a server for one other desktop and my notebook. It'd be interesting! > I even looked into a wireless setup by RangeLAN that would have allowed a > lot of freedom of movement, but at a stiff price (about $500 or more, I think) > and a penalty of only about 10% of the transfer speed of a wired network. Eck. Too much performance hit... I'd like to see it someday though! > But it would have been easy for me--just something simple like Win > for Workgroups...I'm quite surprised that OS/2 2.1 does not have some simple > built-in peer-to-peer networking though. I've heard that OS/2 2.2 will have peer-to-peer either built-in or as an option. I'd definately like to see that! > Ya forced me to dig out my Irwin manual, but here it is: Ah, thanks a lot! :) BTW, I tried the Interlink setup under OS/2. I got some interesting results. An OS/2 machines can act as a client with no problems to a DOS machine. However, when I tried to setup an OS/2 machine to act as a server, it kind of worked. All access to FAT partitions were fine. It reported the existence of my HPFS partitions, but it wouldn't allow me to use it. Of note is that I had to put both Interlink and Interserver in disk image DOS sessions. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 14 02:15:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00688 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 02:15:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA16723; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 02:57:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 02:57:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA16716; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 02:57:54 -0500 From: Message-Id: <9402140757.AA28958@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: Question about the Xircom Ethernet/Modem PCMCIA To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 02:57:58 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Hi, does anyone have any experience using the Xircom 14.4 Modem/Ethernet dual card? Thanks. I'm interested in using the card w/ OS/2, DOS, Windows, and Linux on my TP 750C 4/340. (getting a 16 Mb upgrade soon) This card looks ideal since it uses only one slot and does two functions. Any comments? -- Derek From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 14 03:35:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08162 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 03:35:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA25990; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 04:26:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 04:26:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from spinoza.jesus.ox.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA25981; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 04:25:59 -0500 Received: by spinoza.jesus.ox.ac.uk (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0pVzZL-0002yWC; Mon, 14 Feb 94 09:26 GMT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 09:26 GMT From: clifford@jesus.ox.ac.uk (Dr Peter Clifford) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Parallel port ethernet Status: OR Introduction: My name is Peter Clifford, I teach mathematics at Oxford. Problem: I bought a Thinkpad 700 and have been trying to connect it to the University ethernet (PCNFS). I used a Genius parallel port ethernet adaptor, which is supposed to be self-configuring. There is a programme supplied PEAPD.COM to do this. This works fine on any ordinary PC ie straight Taiwanese clones, but fails with the Thinkpad. Any ideas? I realise this is not 750 business but this list is the closest approximation to a 700 list I could find. I'd be grateful for any suggestions. Maybe someone has managed to get another make of parallel port ethernet adaptor working on a 700? Peter Clifford From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Mon Feb 14 05:57:13 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00283 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 05:57:10 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA22939; Mon, 14 Feb 94 06:57:25 -0500 Date: Mon, 14 Feb 94 06:57:25 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402141157.AA22939@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Tapes, Interlink, and such... Status: OR I assume you used the HPFS file driver in your disk image DOS session From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 14 10:02:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12592 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:02:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA28299; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:41:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:41:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA28292; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:41:25 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA04813 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 09:41:14 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402141541.AA04813@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Trouble w/ PCMCIA, PortRepl and Extr.Monitor To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 09:41:12 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <01H8VBYWDVDIC6B56T@finabo.abo.fi> from "Antti Kilpinen, Abo Akademi University, tel. +358-21-654683" at Feb 14, 94 09:12:31 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > My problem is horizontal lines in the external display when the PCMCIA ethernet > card is attached and its NDIS-driver is loaded. The horizontal lines move up > and down and vary in their intensity. They are very disturbing. If I remove the > PCMCIA-card they disappear. Also, If the card is inside the TP750s own slots > the lines are almost nonexistent ( they still are there). The artifacts become > more visible if lower resolution is used. They thus seem to be pixel > bound somehow. I had a similar problem with my tp750C. I had horizontal lines that crossed the screen on powerup and would remain for several minutes. I called IBM and they said it was a known BIOS bug. Although I sent my machine in for a new screen as well as the BIOS fix, I believe they said that the fix can be downloaded as well. Contact IBM warranty service and ask them about that fix. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 14 10:09:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15022 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:09:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA29023; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:51:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:51:15 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA29008; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:51:13 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA07813 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 09:51:03 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402141551.AA07813@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Networks To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 09:51:01 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402141530.HAA08053@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 14, 94 07:29:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > My wife's work is buying new computers and dumping their old ones > soon (which aren't exactly total junk--386's (16 or 20 MHz) with 4MB memory) > and she wants to grab one of them and bring it home for herself. I would do it; why not? Throw in a sound card, cheapo cd-rom, and you have yourself a game machine... > figured if she had "her" machine, I wouldn't have any reason to get on her > about it--it'll be her very own baby. Nyah, you'll take that over too! :) I know I would. But it would be nice to have around to do various experiments on. > Is there some sort of 3rd party method for OS/2 to be networked? > (Dumb question, I know--I'm *sure* there is one--I'm just not aware of it.) Well, I think you could use TCP/IP as an expensive method of networking. There's also IBM OS/2 LAN server, which is _much_ more expensive... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 14 10:16:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17755 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:16:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA28710; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:47:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:47:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA28701; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 10:47:22 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA06590 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 09:47:08 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402141547.AA06590@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Tapes, Interlink, and such... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 09:47:08 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402141157.AA22939@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 14, 94 06:57:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I assume you used the HPFS file driver in your disk image DOS session Well, I can access the HPFS partitions from my image DOS session, but apparently, Interlink has problems doing it... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 14 13:42:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19015 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 14 Feb 1994 13:42:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA12847; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 14:08:09 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 14:08:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from denver.ssds.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA12838; Mon, 14 Feb 1994 14:07:53 -0500 Received: from localhost.sanjose.ssds.com by sanjose.ssds.com (4.1/SMI-4.1-SSDSnet.sanjose.940125) id AA18848; Mon, 14 Feb 94 11:06:17 PST To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Removable HD Date: Mon, 14 Feb 1994 11:06:16 -0800 Message-Id: <18847.761252776@sanjose.ssds.com> From: Chris Swanson Status: OR Greetings, Is the removable HD a standard 2.5" IDE? If so, does anybody know where you can get (or if you can get) the carriers the drive fits into that then "docks" in the laptop? 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Kim" In-Reply-To: <18847.761252776@sanjose.ssds.com>; from "Chris Swanson" at Feb 14, 94 11:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > Is the removable HD a standard 2.5" IDE? If so, does anybody > know where you can get (or if you can get) the carriers the drive fits > into that then "docks" in the laptop? According to one of the guys on the TP350 development team, yes, it's a standard 2.5" IDE drive in a non-standard case. The only thing you have to watch out for is that the new drive doesn't exceed power or current draw specs. I have had zero luck trying to find out what these specs are. In fact, I have had zero luck trying to convince any of the tech support people that the drive is in some sort of case (so I can use a 3rd party drive and not have to sell my current one). Apparently they've never seen a bare hard drive. If you put a 3rd party drive in there, it's obviously not covered by the ThinkPad warranty, but any problems caused by that drive are also not covered by the warranty. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 04:19:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17631 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 04:19:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id FAA15079; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 05:06:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 05:06:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from spinoza.jesus.ox.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id FAA15072; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 05:06:03 -0500 Received: by spinoza.jesus.ox.ac.uk (Smail3.1.28.1 #3) id m0pWMfc-0002yWC; Tue, 15 Feb 94 10:06 GMT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 10:06 GMT From: clifford@jesus.ox.ac.uk (Dr Peter Clifford) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Parallel port ethernet (tcp/ip) Status: OR Thanks for the moral support. The Genius parallel port adapter comes with a program called PEAPD.COM (pocket ethernet adaptor packet driver) which is supposed to look for the adaptor. When it finds the adaptor it reports 'success' and puts the ethernet address of the adaptor on the screen. After that the network software can get to work (PCNFS). So you can check the first stage by just running PEAPD ie you don't need to get the Network software going. The advantage of this is that you can strip the config.sys and autoexec.bat files down to zero to eliminate any possible clashes. Anyway, with the Thinkpad 700 you get 'fail'. I tried Genius technical support (UK) -- they said they had had two reports about a similar problem and suggested changing a few things in the CMOS, which produced no improvement. My guess is that the CMOS changes might fix things for the Novell driver but they do nothing for the tcp/ip driver that I need for PCNFS. I also suspect that the user base is very small in the UK. Does Genius sell in the USA, if so can anyone provide the technical support telephone number? By the way IBM help, was pretty worthless. They suggest that I might like to buy an external MCA box... Of course, this problem could just be something to do with the Thinkpad being a PS2 machine, but I don't know how this might result in PEAPD failing to find the parallel port. Peter Clifford From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 06:58:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02643 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 06:58:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA00589; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 07:39:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 07:39:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA00582; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 07:39:21 -0500 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with ESMTP (8.6.5:22/EUnetD-2.4.2.a) via EUnet id NAA29393; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:40:00 +0100 From: Klaus Eckhoff Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 13:36:17 +0100 Message-Id: <9402151236.AA20471@osix.Materna.DE> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Hello Status: OR Dear TP750 user! I'm new to this list and I was asked to introduce myself and my environment: My name is Klaus Eckhoff, I am 35 years old and I am working for a German company called Dr. Materna GmbH with about 300 employes. I got my TP750C last week, for the moment with 4MB RAM and 170MB hard disk. I ordered the 8MB RAM extension and a second 340 MB hard disk but delivery is delayed for some days (weeks?). My primary goal with the TP is, to use it as a portable UNIX box (340 MB disk) as also in the "normal" way as an MS windows based system running MS office applications. For the moment the only UNIX I've seen running on TP is SCO, which is one of the platforms we support with our products. I am still seeking for a PCMCIA Ethernet adaptor supported by SCO UNIX as also by Novell LAN Workplace TCP. I would also be interested to run UnixWare on the TP, but this seems to be incompatible for the moment. My future plans include the integration of an PCMCIA ISDN adaptor (my company is involved in the ISDN business), to get a portable multifunctual office platform including email, host access etc. I also intend to order the TP docking station and to replace my current dektop PC with it (of course with external monitor and external keyboard). Unfortunately I cannot get any technical specification of the docking station from my vendor, so I am still wondering what I have to order to do this. My questions in this area are (maybe some of you can help me with this): 1.) What is included with the docking station (CD-ROM, SCSI, power supply)? 2.) What type of SCSI controller is used? Is it supported by SCO? 3.) What are these port replictors are used for? 4.) Why can you order the removeable harddisk in two colours? It's hidden under the keyboard! Thank you all for your help! --- Klaus Eckhoff, Dr. Materna GmbH, D-44141 Dortmund, Germany, ke@Materna.DE From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 07:27:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04929 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 07:27:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA02837; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 08:13:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 08:13:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA02830; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 08:13:35 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11281; Tue, 15 Feb 94 08:11:56 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA761328813 Tue, 15 Feb 94 08:13:33 EST Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 08:13:33 EST Message-Id: <9401157613.AA761328813@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: tp750 and LINUX Status: OR Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops Subject: Re: W: recommendations for Linux capable laptop From: moore@cs.utk.edu (Keith Moore) Date: 10 Feb 1994 21:07:55 GMT Reply-To: moore@cs.utk.edu Organization: Univ. of Tenn. Computer Science, Knoxville Lines: 22 In article , tdt@domino.hq.verdix.com (Tim Thorpe) writes: > I am in the market for a laptop machine that is capable of running > Linux (a free un*x). Also, I want to be able to bring the machine up > with DOS/Windows when the need arises in order to do some > spreadsheeting or whatever. > > Generally, though I want to have some level of un*x development > ability while "on the road" since I`m doing quite a bit of travel. The > applications would themselves be small though I would potentially want > to link in X11 libraries. Whatever you do, DON'T get a ThinkPad. I've been beating my head against the wall for several months trying to get Linux running acceptably. I have it running (barely), but it's still not up to snuff. IBM's technical documentation is useless, and their support people are friendly (and occasionally paranoid) but not very helpful. -- Keith Moore / U.Tenn CS Dept / 107 Ayres Hall / Knoxville TN 37996-1301 Internet: moore@cs.utk.edu BITNET: moore@utkvx The Secretary will disavow any knowledge of my actions. ___________________________ What does 'not up to snuff'mean? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 07:43:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06630 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 07:43:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA03982; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 08:31:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 08:31:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chenas.inria.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA03969; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 08:30:53 -0500 Received: from etca.etca.fr (etca.fr) by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA14135; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 14:30:40 +0100 (MET) Received: from saturne.xcapt by etca.etca.fr, Tue, 15 Feb 94 14:32:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 14:32:29 +0100 From: Antoine de Maricourt Message-Id: <9402151332.AA00452@etca.etca.fr> Received: by saturne.xcapt (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11455; Tue, 15 Feb 94 14:29:46 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9401157613.AA761328813@warren.med.harvard.edu> (jbormel@warren.med) Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX Status: OR > I am in the market for a laptop machine that is capable of running > Linux (a free un*x). Also, I want to be able to bring the machine up > with DOS/Windows when the need arises in order to do some > spreadsheeting or whatever. Whatever you do, DON'T get a ThinkPad. I've been beating my head against the wall for several months trying to get Linux running acceptably. I have it running (barely), but it's still not up to snuff. IBM's technical documentation is useless, and their support people are friendly (and occasionally paranoid) but not very helpful. Oops! I was just about to order a TP in order to run Linux. There was an article in Unix World (january 94) saying it was "THE machine for the Unix road warrior". It's true they only tested SCO, but... What's wrong? Antoine. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 11:04:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07403 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 11:04:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA18127; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 11:41:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 11:41:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA18120; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 11:41:30 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id LAA05781; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 11:32:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199402151632.LAA05781@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: jbormel@warren.med Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Feb 1994 08:13:33 EST." <9401157613.AA761328813@warren.med.harvard.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 11:32:32 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > What does 'not up to snuff'mean? Let's see: the networking code is still useless; the power switch doesn't work (it's under some sort of undocumented software control); the floppy drive sort of works but linux can't tell when the diskette gets changed, which is bad because linux tries to cache floppy disk sectors (even if you unmount/remount the drive!); there's no way to use the external display; no support for the SCSI adapter or CDROM drive in the dock; no power management features. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 11:29:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16202 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 11:29:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA20443; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:12:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:12:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA20436; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:12:36 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA03499; Tue, 15 Feb 94 12:12:40 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 12:12:40 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402151712.AA03499@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jbormel@warren.med, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Somewhere I read that someone got the drive change to work under Linux by changing the sense of the test. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 11:51:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24913 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 11:51:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA21980; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:31:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:30:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA21970; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:30:55 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id MAA05820; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:21:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199402151721.MAA05820@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:12:40 EST." <9402151712.AA03499@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:21:56 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > Somewhere I read that someone got the drive change to work under Linux by > changing the sense of the test. That was probably me. Linux was originally unable to talk to the floppy because the disk change line appeared to be asserted every time it looked. I read in the data sheet for the floppy controller chip that on some PCs the line has an inverted sense, so I patched Linux to change the sense of every line that tested that bit. Now Linux can read and write floppies but if you take a floppy out of the tp750, write some files on it from a different system, and put it back in the tp750, it doesn't see the changes. So I'm guessing that the state of the line never really changes, or if it does, Linux never sees the change. Looks like a hardware bug to me. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 12:05:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01950 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:05:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA22899; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:48:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:48:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA22892; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:48:18 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA04260; Tue, 15 Feb 94 12:48:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 12:48:24 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402151748.AA04260@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR and yet it certainly is the case that the disk change sensing works fine under OS/2 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 13:04:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02351 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:03:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA27351; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:43:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:43:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA27340; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:43:43 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id NAA05955; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:34:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199402151834.NAA05955@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Feb 1994 12:48:24 EST." <9402151748.AA04260@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:34:36 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > and yet it certainly is the case that the disk change sensing works fine > under OS/2 Well, that's another data point. Of course, it's possible to accomplish this without actually looking at the disk change line. To be clear: I don't know specifcally what's different about the floppy disk drive in the tp750, but it won't work with Linux at all without some modification to the code that looks at the disk change signal, and I haven't found a fix that allows Linux to function properly. It seems clear that the drive/controller combination in the TP750 is incompatible with those in most other machines; Linux works unmodified on most machines, but not on the thinkpad. Neither did IBM document the differences in their Technical Reference Manual for the ThinkPad 750. I'm not likely to investigate this particular phenomenon any further, because I've pretty much given up on Linux for other reasons. (I'm currently trying to get NetBSD 0.9 to run, and in doing so have found a *different* set of incompatibilities that prevent it from working as-is.) Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 13:10:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05382 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:10:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA27530; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:45:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:45:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA27475; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:45:19 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA12839; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 10:45:22 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id KAA05123; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 10:45:19 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402151845.KAA05123@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX To: moore@CS.UTK.EDU (Keith Moore) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 10:45:19 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402151632.LAA05781@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "Keith Moore" at Feb 15, 94 11:32:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > > What does 'not up to snuff'mean? > > Let's see: the networking code is still useless; the power switch > doesn't work (it's under some sort of undocumented software > control); the floppy drive sort of works but linux can't tell when > the diskette gets changed, which is bad because linux tries to cache > floppy disk sectors (even if you unmount/remount the drive!); there's > no way to use the external display; no support for the SCSI adapter > or CDROM drive in the dock; no power management features. It seems to me that, since SCO Unix works so splendidly on the ThinkPad, the problem here is with Linux--not the ThinkPad. Obviously a "real" Unix works on the ThinkPad--it is understandable if a "cheepo" free version Unix-clone doesn't. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ | o o o o | | Just because we disagree doesn't | | <><><> <> | /-+-- --+X | mean I have to kill you. | | |||||| || | /> <\ | ...Unless, of course, I really want to... | +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ (Standard disclaimers apply--and if you're a liberal wacko, go soak your head.) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 13:19:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09829 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:19:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA28454; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:55:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:55:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA28434; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:55:31 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id NAA06001; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:46:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199402151846.NAA06001@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Randal Whittle Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU (Keith Moore), tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Feb 1994 10:45:19 PST." <199402151845.KAA05123@aludra.usc.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 13:46:33 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > It seems to me that, since SCO Unix works so splendidly on the > ThinkPad, the problem here is with Linux--not the ThinkPad. > > Obviously a "real" Unix works on the ThinkPad--it is understandable > if a "cheepo" free version Unix-clone doesn't. Doesn't follow. I had earlier reports that SCO UNIX did NOT work on the ThinkPad 750. Perhaps they've fixed it since then. SCO has a long history of being good at getting their system to work on a lot of different kinds of hardware. Considering the variety of stuff out there, with so many different degrees of brokenness, this is nothing short of amazing. But it is understandable that commercial UNIX vendors can better afford to investigate and fix such incompatibilities, than can the volunteers who maintain free software. If the TP750 hardware were really compatible, anything that ran on most ISA-bus machines would also run on a TP750. This is not the case. Just think -- by making the TP750 incompatible, IBM is helping to keep SCO in business! Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 19:01:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11655 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:01:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA23040; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:35:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:35:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA22965; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:35:17 -0500 Received: from phakt.usc.edu (whittle@phakt.usc.edu [128.125.253.144]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA07553; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 16:35:16 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by phakt.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id QAA26326; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 16:35:12 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402160035.QAA26326@phakt.usc.edu> Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX To: moore@CS.UTK.EDU (Keith Moore) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 16:35:12 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402151846.NAA06001@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "Keith Moore" at Feb 15, 94 01:46:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > > It seems to me that, since SCO Unix works so splendidly on the > > ThinkPad, the problem here is with Linux--not the ThinkPad. > > > > Obviously a "real" Unix works on the ThinkPad--it is understandable > > if a "cheepo" free version Unix-clone doesn't. > > Doesn't follow. I had earlier reports that SCO UNIX did NOT work on the > ThinkPad 750. Perhaps they've fixed it since then. Maybe so--but the point I was making is that SCO Unix (from reports I've heard) works very well on the ThinkPad. > SCO has a long history of being good at getting their system to work on a lot of > different kinds of hardware. Considering the variety of stuff out there, with > so many different degrees of brokenness, this is nothing short of amazing. > > But it is understandable that commercial UNIX vendors can better afford to > investigate and fix such incompatibilities, than can the volunteers who maintain > free software. No doubt--a point I hadn't considered. But then again, I didn't consider that SCO Unix may have come up with a "fix" of some sort. I was under the impression that it worked out of the box. > If the TP750 hardware were really compatible, anything that ran on most ISA-bus > machines would also run on a TP750. This is not the case. Name a notebook that *is* "really" compatible! I learned the hard way that notebooks (in general) are *not*. That is one of the reasons I spent the money on a "big name" notebook computer this time (didn't necessarily have to be IBM, but some "big name" like Toshiba, Compaq...etc.). I don't know why exactly, but for some reason they always change a little thing here or there in Notebook machines--its inevitable. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 19:20:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17707 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:20:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA24263; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:51:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:51:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA24256; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:51:42 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA06304; Tue, 15 Feb 94 19:51:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 19:51:01 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402160051.AA06304@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR "Of course it's possible to accomplish this without looking at the disk change line" I don't see how, without reading the diskette, and OS/2 definitely does NOT read the diskette if you don't change it and for example redisplay the directory, but as soon as you flip a new disk in, it rereads the directory. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 21:29:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02284 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 21:29:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA03070; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 22:05:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 22:05:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA03064; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 22:05:24 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id VAA06455; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 21:56:26 -0500 Message-Id: <199402160256.VAA06455@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 15 Feb 1994 19:51:01 EST." <9402160051.AA06304@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> Date: Tue, 15 Feb 1994 21:56:26 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > "Of course it's possible to accomplish this without looking at the disk > change line" > > I don't see how, without reading the diskette, and OS/2 definitely does NOT > read the diskette if you don't change it and for example redisplay the > directory, but as soon as you flip a new disk in, it rereads the directory. The other way to detect disk changes does indeed require reading the disk. If OS/2 doesn't do that, then there must be some way to get the disk change line to work. If you find out what it is, please let us know. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 15 21:53:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10422 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Feb 1994 21:53:25 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA05042; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 22:32:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 22:32:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA05035; Tue, 15 Feb 1994 22:32:18 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA07322; Tue, 15 Feb 94 22:32:25 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Feb 94 22:32:25 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402160332.AA07322@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR I am sure by observation that OS/2 knows when the disk has changed without reading it, but I have no idea how! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 16 10:18:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05327 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 10:17:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA01749; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 10:56:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 10:56:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jenner.med.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA01726; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 10:56:01 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21830; Wed, 16 Feb 94 10:54:17 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA761424935 Wed, 16 Feb 94 10:55:35 EST Date: Wed, 16 Feb 94 10:55:35 EST Message-Id: <9401167614.AA761424935@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP750 Video Driver in OS/2 Status: OR Don't bother reading this if you're not running OS/2. I've always had some annoying problems with my video drivers under OS/2. Part of the problem is that the install procedures are wrong and the fix is a blecherous hack. The problems manifest only in OS/2 DOS boxes and Win-OS2 (via OS/2 for windows). I'm asking if others are having no problems because they've got the config right, OR if others are having the same problem and I should lighten up until new drivers are available. I also want to get my facts straight before chatting with IBM (again) about this. I am able to run 1024x768 in both OS/2 and DOS/win with automatic detection of external monitor and selection of highest resolution. Very nice! Problem: in OS/2 DOS window, errors occur when scrolling (characters persist from other lines) for example, with Norton Commander. These are not present in full-screen (FS) mode. They also occur with other screen-form programs and editors in a window and not FS. I've tried every concievable SETTINGS combination relating to video. Also, these problems do not occur on my other computers using other drivers with the same programs. Problem 2: in Windows, going to WinOS2 full screen, then OS/2 desktop, then back to WinOS2 full screen, the video rendition has remenants of the OS/2 desktop. (ok, I've seen this with other drivers). But, sometimes WinOS2 full screen is unusable because the font is gone, or, the video is completely unsynched. WinOS2 seamless works for many applications (like filer, clock, program manager) but some Visual Basic code is too much for it. And there's that darn issue of windows stealing colors from the palatte, so I'm happy just running windows full screen, if only I could get the video driver stable when switching back and forth to the OS/2desktop. (This problem sneaks up because if you launch a DOS program from Windows over OS/2, OS/2 gives you a DOS box on the OS/2 desktop, not the WIN-OS2 desktop. So, you have to go back to windows desktop which doesn't come back reliably.) Problem 3: when running WIN 3.1on DOS, after OS/2 for windows has been installed: The video driver set up precludes runing a DOS box, giving the INVALID VERSION message. This one I've got a work around for, shown in the SYSTEM.INI excerpts below. (But, you have to do this edit everytime you switch operating systems). My Configuration: SYSTEM.INI - This info comes from IBM's readme: in [boot] section ... display.drv=vgac24.drv sdisplay.drv=wspdssf.drv in [boot.description] section .(ONE of the following sdisplay.drv= stmts) sdisplay.drv=640x480x256 Small fonts 512K Paradise sdisplay.drv=800x600x256 Small fonts 512K Paradise sdisplay.drv=1024x768x256 Small fonts 512K Paradise in [386Enh] section ... display=*vddvga <----- (my experience) incompatible with running DOS in WIN31 --------------------------------------------------- My Config: SYSTEM.INI -- This is not in IBM's read me. What is the required here for: in [boot] section ... fdisplay.drv=vgac24.drv in [boot.description] fdisplay.drv=VGA in [386Enh] display=VDDC24.386 (this is different from IBM's rec above, but it fixes Incorrect system error in WIN31 over DOS. Win-OS/2 doesn't work right though. ) My video driver files (partial list) dates are shown below: monsvga9 vdp 3084 9-16-93 1:00a vesa exe 11119 11-27-93 1:07a vinstall doc 6618 9-16-93 1:00a Any comments are welcome. BTW, anybody tried the IBM/OS-2's other Western Digital video drivers, like the wd90c1X or wd90c3x which are shipped with OS/2. Thanks. Joe From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 16 17:49:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24598 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:49:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA15210; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:31:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:31:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA15196; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:30:58 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA17728 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:30:44 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402162330.AA17728@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Hello IBM! To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:30:43 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR To all the mailing list, I'm pleased to say that we have an IBM representative on board now. His name is John Conrad and he has kindly taken on the task of monitoring this mailing list and TRYING to help with any problems we are having. Since I don't know whether or not his appearance is "official", please just assume it's not (hence, this is not to replace technical support at IBM) unless he tells us otherwise... Once again, thanks Mr. Conrad for helping us out! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 16 17:49:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24637 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:49:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA14891; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:28:05 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:28:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA14884; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:28:02 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA16512 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:27:52 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402162327.AA16512@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: TP750 Video Driver in OS/2 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:27:50 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9401167614.AA761424935@warren.med.harvard.edu> from "jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu" at Feb 16, 94 10:55:21 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I've always had some annoying problems with my video drivers under OS/2. > Part of the problem is that the install procedures are wrong and the fix is a > blecherous hack. Are you referring to "my" fix? The copying files bit and so forth? If not, then you may want to do that.... > for, shown in the SYSTEM.INI excerpts below. (But, you have > to do this edit everytime you switch operating systems). Your best bet here is to make two copies of the SYSTEM.INI and place them in your autoexec.bat and startup.cmd to copy it upon starting any OS... Well, I realize I didn't help you much... As to the disappearing DOS characters, I think I may have seen that happening a few times, but they were mainly with comm apps, which I attributed to a bad line.... But then again, I run OS/2 2.1. I had OS/2 for Windows installed for a while but went back to OS/2 when I had to do a reinstall... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 16 17:52:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25511 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:52:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA14437; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:20:35 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:20:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA14430; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 18:20:30 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA13559 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:20:19 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402162320.AA13559@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: tp750 and LINUX To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:20:18 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402151845.KAA05123@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 15, 94 10:45:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > It seems to me that, since SCO Unix works so splendidly on the > ThinkPad, the problem here is with Linux--not the ThinkPad. Well, it may be that Linux is just lacking in support for the TP750. Keith, as you know, has single-handedly (apparently) taken on the task of making it more supportable. But many other UNIXes don't work with the TP750 as well, it seems. I've heard that System V doesn't work (hey, if that don't work...). Another problem is that the TP750 series was most likely designed with "standard" PC OS's in mind...DOS/Win and OS/2. Someone wanted to run NeXT on it...I'd like to see whatever came of that... > Obviously a "real" Unix works on the ThinkPad--it is understandable > if a "cheepo" free version Unix-clone doesn't. I wouldn't say it's a cheapo thingy... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 16 20:10:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10639 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 20:10:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA22210; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 20:39:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 20:39:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA22203; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 20:39:42 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19217; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:38:37 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:40:37 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <63638.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Update on previously mentioned AUDIO problem Status: OR In message Wed, 19 Jan 94 11:49:32 EST, jbormel@warren.med writes: > No one knew what problems it fixes. I tried looking on CI$ > but realized I didn't know exactly what I was looking for. That > cost me several minutes of connect time for nothing. Aimless > searching of IBM ftp sites was unproductive but atleast it was free > of connect costs to me. Now that I have my offline mail processor up and working again I can pass along some notes. The IBM ftp sites probably will not have any ThinkPad specific stuff for a while. software.watson.ibm.com is an experimental ftp site, and for anything to show up on it, the department that wrote the software has to contact the sysop directly. I've been trying to get the right people at IBM to talk with each other so we can get TP stuff on s.w.i.c but they both insist that I tell the other to make the phone call. Arrrgh. -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 16 20:10:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10780 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Feb 1994 20:10:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA22223; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 20:39:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 20:39:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA22214; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 20:39:50 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19223; Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:38:45 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 16 Feb 1994 17:40:46 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <63647.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: screen brightness Status: OR In message Fri, 21 Jan 1994 12:35:55 -0500 (EST), "Andrew A. Houghton" writes: > > There is an undocument command for the ps2 program: > > ps2 BR N -- normal screen brightness > ps2 BR E -- economy mode brightness Does anyone know if there's a way to turn off the backlight without turning off the LCD? I noticed the (mono) display works very nicely with sunlight behind me, much better than with the sun in front so I'm guessing there's a reflective backing behind the screen. If that's the case, there's no need to have the backlight on, giving maybe an extra hour or two of battery life. I tried the standby mode just to see if it works, but it turns the backlight AND the LCD off (the screen turns completely black). -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 17 23:47:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22867 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Feb 1994 23:47:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA17721; Fri, 18 Feb 1994 00:15:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 18 Feb 1994 00:15:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id AAA17714; Fri, 18 Feb 1994 00:15:20 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA14037 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 17 Feb 1994 23:15:09 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402180515.AA14037@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: EasyPlay To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 17 Feb 1994 23:15:07 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR I've been playing around with EasyPlay and I must say that I like it. I use the OS/2 version although I have also briefly seen (and installed) the Windows version. It worked out of the zipfile with my AT&T KIT modem and seems to be giving me great performance as well as taking away my troubles that I used to have when using DOS (or Win) based comm problems. However, something that I just checked out today is the Registration option. I registered my comm program to it (just drag the WPS object to a box) and that was it. Next time, and every time, I put my modem in, my comm program pops up. I imagine this would be a lot more useful for networking cards... Which brings me to my question. Has anyone used EasyPlay with a networking card? I'd like to collect any info on networking cards since I'd like to include them in the FAQ... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 18 11:44:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08274 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 18 Feb 1994 11:44:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA13658; Fri, 18 Feb 1994 12:09:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 18 Feb 1994 12:09:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA13651; Fri, 18 Feb 1994 12:09:21 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA23759 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 18 Feb 1994 11:09:07 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402181709.AA23759@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Make TP disks available via FTP? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 18 Feb 1994 11:09:06 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Is there any way we could make the TP750 disks (audio, utilities, and video) available via FTP? For all those interested, the current versions are 1.12, 1.12, and 1.20 respectively. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 19 01:18:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29932 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:18:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA04926; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:55:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:55:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA04908; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:55:22 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA27262 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 00:55:12 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402190655.AA27262@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Battery tests To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 00:55:11 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Just a reminder to send me those battery tests. So far, only two people have sent me their info. Remeber, you don't need to run all the test and you don't have to send it in all at once; you can send them in bits and pieces if you want. I'm sure we'd all like to see battery results. Thanks. Sean Chou From jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu Sat Feb 19 01:21:06 1994 Received: from jarthur.claremont.edu (jarthur.cs.hmc.edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00153 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:21:04 -0600 Message-Id: <199402190721.AA00153@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Battery tests To: Sean Chou Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 23:21:15 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402190655.AA27262@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Feb 19, 94 12:55 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > Just a reminder to send me those battery tests. So far, only two > people have sent me their info. Remeber, you don't need to run > all the test and you don't have to send it in all at once; you > can send them in bits and pieces if you want. > > I'm sure we'd all like to see battery results. Thanks. I'm the biggest proponent of your battery tests, and my battery is on the fritz so I can't give you any results other than 94% after 24h out of the computer, and 84% after 45h outside. (Yes, I know that's weird, but that's what I got) From jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu Sat Feb 19 01:30:17 1994 Received: from jarthur.claremont.edu (jarthur.cs.hmc.edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01053 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:30:15 -0600 Message-Id: <199402190730.AA01053@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Make TP disks available via FTP? To: Sean Chou Date: Fri, 18 Feb 94 23:30:26 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402181709.AA23759@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Feb 18, 94 11:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > Is there any way we could make the TP750 disks (audio, utilities, > and video) available via FTP? For all those interested, the > current versions are 1.12, 1.12, and 1.20 respectively. The guy in charge of the ftp site is Nicholas R. Trio, nrt@watson.ibm.com or postmaster@ibm.com. He says for software to be put on software.watson. ibm.com, it has to be given to him by an IBM employee. Furthermore, he prefers said employee contact him by phone, rather than by email or the other way around. If anybody can figure out who is in charge of the TP750 software, get them to talk to this guy. Arrrgh, I'd kill for new drivers.... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 19 03:32:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10427 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 03:32:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA13908; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 04:12:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 04:12:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA13900; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 04:12:46 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08533; Sat, 19 Feb 94 01:12:27 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04266; Sat, 19 Feb 94 01:11:38 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07168; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:12:11 +0800 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 01:12:11 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402190912.AA07168@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: INFO: Windows NT now supports IBM ThinkPad 750 Status: OR ------- Start of forwarded message ------- Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.announce,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc From: stevehea@microsoft.com Subject: INFO: Windows NT now supports IBM ThinkPad 750 Followup-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc Organization: Microsoft Corp. Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 04:46:13 GMT The Microsoft Windows NT product group has recently provided support for the IBM ThinkPad 750 system. The ThinkPad 750 has passed all required Hardware Compatibility Tests and will be listed on the next update of the Windows NT Hardware Compatibility List. This update was tested on ThinkPad models 750 and 750c. We anticipate successful results on other models such as the 750cs and 750p as well. At this time, we recommend that a FAT file system be used on the ThinkPad 750. We have experienced some difficulties with the NTFS file system on this system which will be addressed in a future Service Pack update. The file TP750.EXE is a self extracting archive containing an update to Windows NT for the IBM Thinkpad 750 series of computers. This patch has been tested on the Thinkpad 750 and 750C models. It is, however, expected to work on all 750 models including the 750p and 750cs models. ******************************************************************** The file is available on FTP.MICROSOFT.COM in the /advsys/winnt/sup-ed/fixes/thinkpad directory. ******************************************************************** To install the update, copy TP750.EXE to an empty directory, change to that directory and then type the command: TP750 to extract the update files. After the files have been extracted follow the directions in README.TXT to update your Windows NT installation floppies. ----------------- | Steve Heaney | | Microsoft Corp. | ----------------- ------- End of forwarded message ------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 19 14:36:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06060 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 14:36:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA28649; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:08:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:08:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA28641; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:08:46 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27549; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 12:07:39 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 12:09:41 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <43781.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Accuracy of battery meter Status: OR A while ago I attested to the accuracy of the built-in battery meter. I was out for a couple days with poison ivy so I got to run the 750 off AC exclusively. I charged the battery to 100% and let it sit outside the computer. The "battery meter is not accurate" theory just got a big boost. After 24 hours of sitting, the battery meter (under OS/2) read 94%. About what I'm used to. After 45 hours of sitting, it read 84%! Either the discharge is non-linear, or more likely the method the meter uses to derive the % is non-linear. Another possibility is that my battery is screwed up. I've been having problems with it soon after and I'm about to call IBM about it. (I mean major problems, like it seems to want to overcharge, stops charging halfway through the charge cycle (about 50 minutes in), reads 0% for extended periods of time even with a fully charged battery) -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 19 15:04:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13540 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:04:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA01240; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:44:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:44:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA01232; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:44:27 -0500 Received: by aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA03581; Sat, 19 Feb 94 15:43:07 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 94 15:43:07 -0500 From: powers@aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com (Clifton Powers) Message-Id: <9402192043.AA03581@aurfs1.aur.alcatel.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Accuracy of battery meter Status: OR > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 19 15:27:10 1994 > X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:08:49 EST > X-Nupop-Charset: English > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 12:09:41 -0800 (PST) > From: "John Kim" > After 24 hours of sitting, the battery meter (under OS/2) read 94%. > About what I'm used to. After 45 hours of sitting, it read 84%! > Either the discharge is non-linear, or more likely the method the > meter uses to derive the % is non-linear. Another possibility is > that my battery is screwed up. I've been having problems with it > soon after and I'm about to call IBM about it. (I mean major problems, > like it seems to want to overcharge, stops charging halfway through > the charge cycle (about 50 minutes in), reads 0% for extended periods > of time even with a fully charged battery) My understanding of these circuits is that they measure the ammount of current used (by the computer and the monitoring circuitry itself) from the battery by integrating it. When charging the action is reversed. It This action would be highly nonlinear in your computer and probably nonlinear just sitting there as well. When the battery is not used the monitoring circuitry probably defaults to the average non-usage discharge curve for that type of battery (which are typically nonlinear also). Many monitoring circuits can get fooled into thinking there is zero charge when batterys are swapped etc. It then takes a while for the charger to realize that the battery is fully charged. They typically charge, wait, measure, charge, wait, measure, to tell if the battery is charged. All kinds of things affect battery chargeing, such as temperature, internal heating due to charging, etc. Your experiences sound pretty normal to me. -Cliff Powers ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Clifton Powers Let No Man Have Two Fibers Until powers@aur.alcatel.com all Men Have One. Alcatel Network Systems -Steven Hornung, BTRL, July 1987 Video Technology Where's my Fiber? ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 19 16:36:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08152 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 16:36:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA06070; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 17:14:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 17:14:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA06063; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 17:14:23 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA01369 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 16:14:13 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402192214.AA01369@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Accuracy of battery meter To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 16:14:12 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <43781.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Feb 19, 94 12:09:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > After 24 hours of sitting, the battery meter (under OS/2) read 94%. > About what I'm used to. After 45 hours of sitting, it read 84%! > Either the discharge is non-linear, or more likely the method the > meter uses to derive the % is non-linear. Another possibility is Actually, I would imagine it is non-linear. Shouldn't it lose the major charge first and then lose the rest slowly..? > soon after and I'm about to call IBM about it. (I mean major problems, > like it seems to want to overcharge, stops charging halfway through > the charge cycle (about 50 minutes in), reads 0% for extended periods > of time even with a fully charged battery) How many people have had problems with their batteries? I thin I may be having some problems too. We paid way too much for this type of grief... From whittle@chaph.usc.edu Sat Feb 19 17:45:22 1994 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27426 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 17:45:20 -0600 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA17348; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:45:09 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id PAA04816; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:45:04 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402192345.PAA04816@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Accuracy of battery meter To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 15:45:04 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402192214.AA01369@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Feb 19, 94 04:14:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1256 Status: OR > > > After 24 hours of sitting, the battery meter (under OS/2) read 94%. > > About what I'm used to. After 45 hours of sitting, it read 84%! > > Either the discharge is non-linear, or more likely the method the > > meter uses to derive the % is non-linear. Another possibility is > > Actually, I would imagine it is non-linear. Shouldn't it lose > the major charge first and then lose the rest slowly..? Most battery life typically follows a natural-log pattern (you know, the "ln" or inverse of e^x). I big drop at first, eventually leveling off... and slowly dying completely. > How many people have had problems with their batteries? I thin I > may be having some problems too. We paid way too much for this type > of grief... I've already detailed mine--its bad enough that it doesn't live up to the marketing claim, but worse that it doesn't hold much of a charge after sitting only a day or two. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From jokim@jarthur.claremont.edu Sat Feb 19 18:00:18 1994 Received: from jarthur.claremont.edu (jarthur.cs.hmc.edu) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01512 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 18:00:16 -0600 Message-Id: <199402200000.AA01512@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Make TP disks available via FTP? To: Sean Chou Date: Sat, 19 Feb 94 16:00:28 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402192207.AA29662@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Feb 19, 94 4:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > > or postmaster@ibm.com. He says for software to be put on software.watson. > > ibm.com, it has to be given to him by an IBM employee. Furthermore, he > > Maybe we can get my local IBM rep to do it for us? I'll talk to him > about that... > > > Arrrgh, I'd kill for new drivers.... > > Hmm...I don't know but maybe I can ftp it to you or send it > UUENCODED... Hmm, try mailing the utility disk to jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu. No quota there. What's new with the video drivers? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 19 19:34:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24281 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 19:34:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA15618; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 20:16:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 20:16:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA15611; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 20:16:39 -0500 Received: by konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu id AA24063 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 20:16:38 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 20:12:51 -0500 (EST) From: Hanson Riad Hosein Subject: Re: Battery tests To: Sean Chou Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402190655.AA27262@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I'd love to send you my battery tests, but I'm having serious problems with fueldos. I finally installed fueldos for windows last month. That's when things started to freeze on me. I decided that it had something to do with the installation and IBM confirmed that when they said they had a new version of fueldos that would take care of the problem. Unfortunately in the mean time, I had completely deleted the fueldos line from my autoexec line. Since then, I've tried to reinstall the "faulty" version of fueldos, and most recently, the new version that IBM sent to me. I still get the same message when I invoke it or the PS2 program, "Software power management services not enabled." I'm going to call IBM for the third time tomorrow, but I wondered if any of you TP experts could help me. Thanks. Hanson Hosein From hrh6@columbia.edu Sat Feb 19 19:16:27 1994 Received: from konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20772 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 19:16:25 -0600 Received: by konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu id AA24063 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 20:16:38 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Feb 1994 20:12:51 -0500 (EST) From: Hanson Riad Hosein Subject: Re: Battery tests To: Sean Chou Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402190655.AA27262@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I'd love to send you my battery tests, but I'm having serious problems with fueldos. I finally installed fueldos for windows last month. That's when things started to freeze on me. I decided that it had something to do with the installation and IBM confirmed that when they said they had a new version of fueldos that would take care of the problem. Unfortunately in the mean time, I had completely deleted the fueldos line from my autoexec line. Since then, I've tried to reinstall the "faulty" version of fueldos, and most recently, the new version that IBM sent to me. I still get the same message when I invoke it or the PS2 program, "Software power management services not enabled." I'm going to call IBM for the third time tomorrow, but I wondered if any of you TP experts could help me. Thanks. Hanson Hosein From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 19 20:42:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07079 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Feb 1994 20:42:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA18958; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 21:21:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 21:21:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA18950; Sat, 19 Feb 1994 21:21:34 -0500 Received: from ion.apana.org.au (scs.apana.org.au) by yarrina.connect.com.au with SMTP id AA27707 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 13:21:25 +1100 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 13:25 EST From: timn@ion.apana.org.au (Tim Noonan) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Several TP750 Questions! Status: OR Hi, I have a range of questions to ask about the TP750 (mono). Some of these questions may seem a little unusual, but the use I will be putting my TP750 to is slightly different to most. I am blind and plan to use the TP750 with a speech synthesiser, thus using its screen minimally. Here are my questions: [most of my questions assume DOS unless specifically stating otherwise] Is it possible to completely turn off the screen of the TP750 to save battery power but still use the unit. How is this done, by a key combination, or what? Does an external monitor need to be connected in order to achieve this? Alternatively, how much benefit to battery life would be achieved by turning the brightness and contrast controls to their lowest position? Are all the power management and other set-up facilities accessed via programs which run as TSRs or as command-line programs, or is access built directly into the BIOS? i.e. to change CPU speed, check battery status etc. Generally, what things can be adjusted re configuration and power management? Is the three year warranty of the unit affected by adding third-party memory or PCMCIA cards in to the TP750? Apart from the floppy and the hard disk geometry settings are there any other incompatibilities with the TP750. do Norton Disk Doctor, Calibrate and other low-level disk utilities work fully on the TP750? I heard of problems with running WP51 on the TP750, is this a problem, is special configuration required? Is there a place in LA that sells TP extras at good prices? I am intending purchasing my TP750 locally in Australia before visiting LA for a conference in mid March. Thought I would get an extra battery, third-party memory, battery charger etc in the U.S. Is there a place I could buy a Keep In Touch modem in LA if I am only there for a week? What chip set does the TP750 have for PCMCIA? Is it the same as the TP720's less than compatible set, or is it a real Intel chip, or something else? I have read a lot about limited available DOS memory under DOS. Could I improve this if I had no need for high res graphics etc? If I want PCMCIA devices is that the end of any half respectable free memory available under DOS? Are the audio in and Out jacks stereo? Is the in-built speaker only for the basic standard PC speaker sounds (bells etc) or is it connected to the audio facilities special to the TP750? How loud is this speaker? Will the audioin/out jacks take headphones, or are they line out jacks? Does the technical documentation define the way to program the audio circuitry? Does Monologue for DOS come with the new Sound drivers disk? Does this mean there is good quality speech synthesis under DOS? Is PC DOS 6.1 equivalent to MSDOS 6.2? What things are better or worse? Has anyone encountered compatibility problems with the serial port (presume this is 16540 compatible) or the EPP parallel port? Is the amount of available memory worse than that for an equivalent T4600 machine? Because I will have speech software also in lower memory, available memory is paramount! Are there known PCMCIA devices that are incompatible with the DOS PCMCIA? Can the AT&T Keep in Touch modem be removed and replaced while the machine is running? Is a re-boot required? Thank you for your time in reading these questions. I want to get moving on my purchase before I go o/s and answers to any of these questions will be very helpful to me! Tim From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 20 01:59:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27079 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 01:59:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA05592; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 02:32:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 02:32:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA05585; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 02:32:39 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA24409 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 01:32:29 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402200732.AA24409@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Battery tests To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 01:32:29 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Hanson Riad Hosein" at Feb 19, 94 08:12:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I finally installed fueldos for windows last month. That's when things > started to freeze on me. I decided that it had something to do with the > installation and IBM confirmed that when they said they had a new version > of fueldos that would take care of the problem. Unfortunately in the mean > time, I had completely deleted the fueldos line from my autoexec line. Well, if you run Windows exclusively (or nearly so), then you don't really need FUELDOS.EXE installed...but if you insist, then the new version should fix it. What exactly happens? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 20 02:18:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28878 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 02:18:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA06678; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 02:54:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 02:54:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA06621; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 02:54:00 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA26442 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 01:53:49 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402200753.AA26442@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Several TP750 Questions! To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 01:53:49 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Tim Noonan" at Feb 20, 94 01:24:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I am blind and plan to use the TP750 with a speech synthesiser, thus > using its screen minimally. Wow! What a concept! I never even thought of that...but it does seem feasible... > Is it possible to completely turn off the screen of the TP750 to save > battery power but still use the unit. How is this done, by a key > combination, or what? Does an external monitor need to be connected in > order to achieve this? Hmm...I know that the unit can run without the screen on via an external monitor. But I don't know if you can have access to the keyboard (in other words, leave the unit open) and still turn the screen off. It would be worth asking IBM directly if they could assist you in that manner since it seems they have some other tools that assist special needs. > Alternatively, how much benefit to battery life would be achieved by > turning the brightness and contrast controls to their lowest position? My experience tells me that, on a 750C, the difference is slight... even using our "hidden" trick of not letting the machine automatically drop into a darker setting upon being disconnected from a plug. > Are all the power management and other set-up facilities accessed via > programs which run as TSRs or as command-line programs, or is access > built directly into the BIOS? i.e. to change CPU speed, check battery > status etc. The power management is largely under the control of software. > Is the three year warranty of the unit affected by adding third-party > memory or PCMCIA cards in to the TP750? I should hope not! I just sent my TP750C in for repairs and use third party memory as well as third party PCMCIA cards. I paid enough for the unit itself... > Apart from the floppy and the hard disk geometry settings are there any > other incompatibilities with the TP750. As long as you don't run Linux or any *NIX besides SCO, you should be just fine... > do Norton Disk Doctor, Calibrate and other low-level disk utilities work > fully on the TP750? I heard of problems with running WP51 on the TP750, > is this a problem, is special configuration required? Norton utilities works fine. I don't know of WP51 but I do know that Windows and WP6.0 works fine. > What chip set does the TP750 have for PCMCIA? Is it the same as the > TP720's less than compatible set, or is it a real Intel chip, or > something else? Hmm...I've heard of no extreme problems with any PCMCIA cards but note that almost all cards have some sort of compatibility with one notebook or the other. At least, with an IBM, you can be assured of the majority compatibility. > I have read a lot about limited available DOS memory under DOS. Could I > improve this if I had no need for high res graphics etc? Unfortunately, most of it is used up by PCMCIA card drivers...it seems that EasyPlay is a little kinder but not by much. Hopefully, future software will address this issue... > If I want PCMCIA devices is that the end of any half respectable free > memory available under DOS? Pretty much. > Are the audio in and Out jacks stereo? They are on the left side towards the back. > Is the in-built speaker only for the basic standard PC speaker sounds > (bells etc) or is it connected to the audio facilities special to the > TP750? How loud is this speaker? The built-in speaker is for basic standard PC speaker sounds (which sound much better) as well as all the multimedia sounds. In other words, you don't need an external speaker. > Will the audioin/out jacks take headphones, or are they line out jacks? There are line-in and line-out jacks. > Does the technical documentation define the way to program the audio > circuitry? I'm not sure about this one, but I know that Keith Moore has been extremely dissatisfied with technical documentation... > Does Monologue for DOS come with the new Sound drivers disk? Does this > mean there is good quality speech synthesis under DOS? Yes, it comes with the Audio Disk 1.12. And no, it doesn't necessarily mean good speech synthesis. It is, however, understandable. > Is PC DOS 6.1 equivalent to MSDOS 6.2? What things are better or worse? PC-DOS 6.1 is closer to MS-DOS 6.0. MS-DOS 6.2 is probably tuned a bit more for Windows (and even more so for Windows for Workgroups 3.11). > Has anyone encountered compatibility problems with the serial port > (presume this is 16540 compatible) or the EPP parallel port? Nope. The serial port is a 16450, not a 16550 (the faster one). > Is the amount of available memory worse than that for an equivalent > T4600 machine? Because I will have speech software also in lower > memory, available memory is paramount! Any machine with PCMCIA drivers loaded will not fare well with main memory. > Are there known PCMCIA devices that are incompatible with the DOS > PCMCIA? Well, this is a rather tough subject. PCMCIA is far from standardized yet. There are more incompatibilities than not, but it seems that most of us are managing with our kludges and so forth. But you can be assured that the AT&T Keep In Touch modem is compatible with the EasyPlay PCMCIA program that comes with Utilities Disk 1.20. > Can the AT&T Keep in Touch modem be removed and replaced while the > machine is running? Is a re-boot required? Yes...or at least under OS/2 it seems to do it just fine. If not, I hope someone tells me before I break my machine! > Thank you for your time in reading these questions. I want to get > moving on my purchase before I go o/s and answers to any of these > questions will be very helpful to me! I just want to add that you may also want to consider the Toshiba 4700 which is Windows soundsystem compatible and may provide easier command-operated control. But since I have no idea what software you will be using, I can't really say. You will be able to get about 530K free memory under DOS with PCMCIA drivers loaded or probably a little less. Also, the Audio system is located at IRQs 5,10,11, and 15. And the I/O addresses are either at (HEX) 0030, 4E30, 8E30, or CE30. Good Luck with your purchase! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 20 10:37:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17973 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 10:37:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA13896; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 11:18:16 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 11:18:14 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ensta.ensta.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA13889; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 11:18:11 -0500 Received: from cedre9.ensta.fr (cedre9.ensta.fr [147.250.2.29]) by ensta.ensta.fr (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA23713 for ; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 17:18:13 +0100 From: Emmanuel Germond Received: from localhost (germond@localhost) by cedre9.ensta.fr (8.6.4/8.6.4) id LAA01647 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 11:18:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199402201618.LAA01647@cedre9.ensta.fr> Subject: Introducing myself + questions To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 17:18:12 MET Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: OR Hi ! I'm new to this list, and as requested by tthe welcoming message of "tp750-request", I introduce myself. I'm a french student, studying in Paris. At the moment I don't own a TP750, but I intend to buy one to run Linux on it (I'm currently working on HP9000/710, SUN SPARC Classic and 486DX2/66 all under UNIX) Well, I've got some questions, most of them relative to Linux: 1) What is the video chipset on the TP750? (I believe it's a WD90C24) 2) Has anyone managed to get a TP750cs (color dual STN) working with XFree86 in 256 colors (I know it can be done with toshiba notebooks using the WD90C24 by specifying the WD90C30 in the .Xconfig ; someone told me they are actually the same) 3) Has anyone managed to get a TP750 (mono) working with XFree86 in 256 colors on an external display? 4) I heard someone talking about third parties RAM for the TP750. Could someone give me the vendors and the prices of the 8Mo and 16Mo extensions? Will they work under Linux? 5) What is the price in the US for (all from IBM and for the TP750): a) a 170Mo HD b) a 340Mo HD c) a Dual STN color screen (in order to upgrade a TP750 to a TP750cs) 6) Do you know if Linux can take advantage of the TP750 sound capabilities (i.e. are they drivers under Linux for these) Many thanks, and don't hesitate to send me your replies, even if you only know an answer to one question. -- Emmanuel Germond | "Nietzsche is dead." germond@ensta.fr | From whittle@chaph.usc.edu Sun Feb 20 12:20:20 1994 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04127 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 12:20:18 -0600 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA20086; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 10:20:22 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id KAA15541; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 10:20:20 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402201820.KAA15541@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Several TP750 Questions! To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 10:20:20 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402200753.AA26442@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Feb 20, 94 01:53:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1770 Status: OR > > Is PC DOS 6.1 equivalent to MSDOS 6.2? What things are better or worse? > > PC-DOS 6.1 is closer to MS-DOS 6.0. MS-DOS 6.2 is probably tuned > a bit more for Windows (and even more so for Windows for Workgroups > 3.11). I'll jump in long enough to point out that MS-DOS 6.2 is really little more than a big fix for MS-DOS 6.0. They had a real problem with their "doublespace" drives getting corrupted under certain conditions with Smartdrv. They fixed that, and also made Smartdrv a little better (caches CD-ROM's now). I had MS-DOS 6 on my "old" notebook and did the little update to 6.2--I was wholly unimpressed. It was a bug fix--nothing more. Personally, with the ThinkPad, I like PC-DOS 6.1 much better than MS-DOS 6.2 (although I realize its probably pretty silly to sit and argue about "which DOS is better"--since they all pretty much stink). I don't know how to describe it--but I just find it more elegant--more streamlined. But I still run good 'ol DOS 5.0 on my desktop, and I haven't gone through the trouble of upgrading *it* to any 6.x version of PC or MS-DOS, so its obviously not that big of an issue with me. The bottom line is that anything 5.0 or above works very well--there's no reason for anyone to pop a blood vessel over whether PS-DOS 6.1 is as good or equal to MS-DOS 6.2. For all intents and purposes, they are the same blasted thing (though I do lean toward the PC 6.1 version)... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 20 12:51:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09930 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 12:51:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA20778; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 13:27:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 13:27:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA20769; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 13:27:24 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA20252; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 10:27:29 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id KAA15930; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 10:27:22 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402201827.KAA15930@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Introducing myself + questions To: germond@ensta.fr (Emmanuel Germond) Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 10:27:21 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402201618.LAA01647@cedre9.ensta.fr> from "Emmanuel Germond" at Feb 20, 94 05:18:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I'm a french student, studying in Paris. At the moment I don't own > a TP750, but I intend to buy one to run Linux on it (I'm currently > working on HP9000/710, SUN SPARC Classic and 486DX2/66 all under UNIX) BAD IDEA!!! Those who have tried to run Linux on the TP750 can't make it work right! > 4) I heard someone talking about third parties RAM for the TP750. > Could someone give me the vendors and the prices of the 8Mo and > 16Mo extensions? I got a real cheap little 8MB card made by "Simple Technologies." I've been perfectly happy with it too. It cost me $450 (plus shipping) from a place in Washington state. You can contact Terry at Omnitek computers at (206) 475-8010. So far, that's the cheapest 8MB I've found. > Will they work under Linux? I assume so--assuming you can get Linux to work... ;) > 5) What is the price in the US for (all from IBM and for the TP750): > a) a 170Mo HD > b) a 340Mo HD > c) a Dual STN color screen (in order to upgrade a TP750 to a TP750cs) Just a note--you can't upgrade (I'm pretty sure at least) a 750 mono to a 750Cs (Dual-Scan). You can only go from the mono to a 750C (Active Matrix)--which is, of course, much more expensive. I don't know the details, but apparently there is something different enough that the upgrade to a dual-scan color can't be done. > 6) Do you know if Linux can take advantage of the TP750 sound > capabilities (i.e. are they drivers under Linux for these) From what I hear, you can't even get Linux to work on the TP750--let alone worry about sound! =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 20 16:58:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18938 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 16:58:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA05607; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 17:42:07 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 17:42:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA05600; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 17:42:04 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02889; Sun, 20 Feb 94 14:42:08 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22908; Sun, 20 Feb 94 14:41:14 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07639; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 14:41:57 +0800 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 14:41:57 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402202241.AA07639@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Several TP750 Questions! In-Reply-To: <199402200753.AA26442@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <199402200753.AA26442@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Status: OR You can tell the TP to keep going when the cover is closed. If you enable that (use ps2 or ps2win) and fake out the unit that the cover is closed, you can use the TP without the LCD display. The switch is located above the PCMCIA slots on the right hand side of the unit. Just tape it down or jam something into it. Alternatively, you could use ps2 or ps2win to tell the TP to use the external monitor only. This only works if you have something plugged into the external VGA port, but perhaps it could be a dummy load if you don't have a real monitor someplace. A side benefit to shutting off the monitor is that you get more battery life ... I'm typing this on my 750C attached to a VGA monitor, and fuelwin reports that I have five hours of battery left! Both audio jacks are stereo, 1/8 inch mini-jacks. The audio out jack will take headphones. Max headphone speaker output is 1.5 mW into 32 ohms. Max output level is 1.9 V peak-to-peak @ 75 Ohms. The input jack is software programmable; mic or line input. Sample rate 5.5-48 kHz. Mic input: gain 32-54.5 dB; input level 4 mV p-p @ 9 kOhms Line input: input level 5.3 V p-p @ 8 kOhms These numbers are from the TP users's guide. ..bob From hrh6@columbia.edu Sun Feb 20 19:01:10 1994 Received: from ciao.cc.columbia.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27027 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 19:01:08 -0600 Received: by ciao.cc.columbia.edu id AA17649 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 20:01:21 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 19:56:58 -0500 (EST) From: Hanson Riad Hosein Subject: Re: Battery tests To: Sean Chou In-Reply-To: <199402200732.AA24409@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Sun, 20 Feb 1994, Sean Chou wrote: > > I finally installed fueldos for windows last month. That's when things > > started to freeze on me. I decided that it had something to do with the > > installation and IBM confirmed that when they said they had a new version > > of fueldos that would take care of the problem. Unfortunately in the mean > > time, I had completely deleted the fueldos line from my autoexec line. > > Well, if you run Windows exclusively (or nearly so), then you don't > really need FUELDOS.EXE installed...but if you insist, then the new > version should fix it. > > What exactly happens? I actually use DOS more than Windows for my journalism assignments. Occasionally I use Windows which is why I installed fuel for windows. Once I had installed it, anytime I FN F2'd in DOS, the computer would freeze up. The only way around the problem was to make sure I had turned the Fuel for Windows off in Windows before exiting. IBM told me they've been having a lot of problems with TP's that use FUELDOS, and that the program is far from perfect. Luckily, they were able to get my power management functions working again when I re-initialized the computer (config.sys and autoexec.bat changes didn't work). It was all very strange and I don't think either of us knew what we were doing. Thanks for responding. Hanson From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 20 20:53:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29209 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 20:53:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA18709; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 21:41:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 21:41:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA18702; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 21:41:33 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA25468 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 20:41:23 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402210241.AA25468@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Several TP750 Questions! To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 20 Feb 1994 20:41:22 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402201820.KAA15541@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Feb 20, 94 10:20:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I'll jump in long enough to point out that MS-DOS 6.2 is really > little more than a big fix for MS-DOS 6.0. They had a real problem with their I pretty much agree with you on this point. >MS-DOS 6.2 (although I realize its probably pretty silly to sit and argue about > "which DOS is better"--since they all pretty much stink). I don't know how > to describe it--but I just find it more elegant--more streamlined. I think I can wholeheartedly agree with you on this one! :) DOS stinks no matter what version it may be. But I like PC-DOS more due to the Central Point influence. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 20 21:46:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14402 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Feb 1994 21:46:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA21620; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 22:30:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 22:30:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA21604; Sun, 20 Feb 1994 22:30:23 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA26785; Sun, 20 Feb 94 22:30:30 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Feb 94 22:30:30 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402210330.AA26785@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Several TP750 Questions! Status: OR to put things in perspective, it isn't entirely fair to complain that DOS stinks. For a small system (e.g. and 8088 with 256K of memory), it isn't so inappropriate. What is inappropriate is running DOS on a reasonably fast machine. The TP750 is faster than a Sun-3 workstation, and running DOS on a TP is sad indeed! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 05:43:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13259 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 05:43:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id GAA28568; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 06:18:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 06:18:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id GAA28561; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 06:18:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199402211118.GAA28561@CS.UTK.EDU> Via: uk.ac.kingston; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 11:16:51 +0000 Received: from ceres.kingston.ac.uk by mercury.kingston.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <09472-0@mercury.kingston.ac.uk>; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 11:16:23 +0000 Received: from kingston.ac.uk by ceres.kingston.ac.uk id <22979-0@ceres.kingston.ac.uk>; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 11:14:56 +0000 From: Sergio Terenas Subject: Introducing myself... To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: MMDF/Ream v4.16b Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 11:14:56 +0000 Original-Sender: cs_a175@kingston.ac.uk Status: OR Hallo everyone, My name is Sergio Terenas and I have just subscribed to the list. I'm a final year student doing computer science in England (London). I recently bought a TP750 with 4 Mb RAM and 170 Mb Hard Disk. I'm using mainly DOS, Windows for development of Clipper/C applications. I'm thinking of expanding the RAM to 8 Mb in order to run OS/2 2.1. I was told that there isn't much of a performance difference in having 8 or 16 Mb when running OS/2. True ? My areas of interest are PCMCIA cards and the sound capabilities offered by this machine. I would like to know of applications that use it. I'd also like to know the specifications of Type I, II PCMCIA cards so I can write device drivers. Can anyone, please, give me a list of available PCMCIA cards ? Hope to hear from you soon, Best regards, Sergio Terenas From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 08:54:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00681 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 08:54:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA10601; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:34:37 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:34:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA10594; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:34:33 -0500 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with ESMTP (8.6.5:23/EUnetD-2.4.2.b) via EUnet id PAA28448; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:35:11 +0100 From: Klaus Eckhoff Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 15:31:14 +0100 Message-Id: <9402211431.AA17142@osix.Materna.DE> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP750 power management Status: OR After playing around for a week with my TP750C, I am wondering about all the hard- and software envolved in power management (DOS/Windows). As far as I noticed there is some hardware (firmware) build in (all this works fine also unter SCO UNIX, so it must be hardware:-): Fn+F11: switch the cpu to another clock rate: 33 - 18 - 10 Mhz (works ony with battery power) Fn+F4 : suspend mode Fn+F12: hibernation mode (save memory & regs to disk) Then there is some software I noticed on my system: ps2.exe: TP specifig configuration and timer management ps2win.exe: Same under MS windows. power.exe: TSR, loaded by "config.sys" and can be called interactively also. In the control-section of MS windows, there is another power management tool, showing you the actual battery level and let you set the power management to Off, Advanced and Standard. Looks like this is a companion to the "power.exe" under DOS? Now to my questions: With "si.exe" (not delivered by IBM), I noticed a dramatical reduction of CPU cycles (to almost the power of an 5 Mhz 88/XT) after some inactive time. This happens under DOS with or without windows running, independently of the switched CPU rate and even with external power supply connected. Who is responsible of this behaviour and how can I switch it off? Who is responsible to switch of the power of an plugged in PCMCIA adapter? Is there a tool to control this behavior? Thank you for you help! --- Klaus Eckhoff, Dr. Materna GmbH, D-41441 Dortmund, Germany, ke@Materna.DE From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 09:06:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03727 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:06:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA11828; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:50:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:49:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA11820; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:49:56 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA29649; Mon, 21 Feb 94 09:50:04 -0500Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 09:50:04 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402211450.AA29649@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, cs_a175@kingston.ac.uk Subject: Re: Introducing myself... Status: OR There is a huge performance difference between 8 megs and 16 megs for OS/2. 8 megs is acceptable if you run only FAT, but the disk on the TP is big enough to benefit from HPFS, and of course you get long file names, but quite apart from this, if you really want to run several things at a time (and even if that's not your style now, it will be when you run OS/2 :-) then more memory will really help. A good compromise with the TP is to get an 8 meg board, should cost about $400, so that you have a total of 12 meg. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 09:46:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14116 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:46:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA16104; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:50 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA16077; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (postman@localhost) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id KAA10014 for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:41 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix2.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.14.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix2.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix2.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:30:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew A. Houghton" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Several TP750 Questions! In-Reply-To: <199402200753.AA26442@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <199402200753.AA26442@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Status: OR As I understand it, a standard video cable between monitor and PC doesn't have any defined receive pins; that is, the monitor isn't sending signals to the video card. If this is the case (which it very well may not be), and depending on the way the TP750 checks for an external display, you should be able to keep the screen off simply by attaching a cable stub to the external monitor port of the TP. Haven't tried it, don't know if it works, I know the TP won't let you claim you're connected to an external monitor if you're not. Anyone want to try? :) - Andrew From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 10:07:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22017 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:07:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA17773; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:52:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:52:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA17766; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 10:52:36 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22170 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 09:52:24 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA11826; Mon, 21 Feb 94 09:59:53 CST Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 09:59:53 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9402211559.AA11826@kentucky> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ah0i+@andrew.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Several TP750 Questions! Status: OR --> -->As I understand it, a standard video cable between monitor and PC -->doesn't have any defined receive pins; that is, the monitor isn't -->sending signals to the video card. If this is the case (which it very -->well may not be), and depending on the way the TP750 checks for an -->external display, you should be able to keep the screen off simply by -->attaching a cable stub to the external monitor port of the TP. -->Haven't tried it, don't know if it works, I know the TP won't let you -->claim you're connected to an external monitor if you're not. --> --> -->Anyone want to try? :) --> -->- Andrew --> This is exactly right. I have an external monitor hooked up to my TP750. I turn the screen on my TP off when I have the monitor hooked up (using the PS2 commands). SW ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology Professor, Beckman Institute ****************************************************************************** stanwass@uiuc.edu * sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * ********************* * 217 333-3325 * 217 244-6905 * 217 244-5876 (fax) * ****************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 11:44:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02153 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 11:44:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA25528; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 12:30:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 12:30:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from laidbak.i88.isc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA25508; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 12:30:17 -0500 Received: from ra.i88.isc.com by laidbak.i88.isc.com with SMTP (5.65/isc-mail-gw/2/23/93) id AA05289; Mon, 21 Feb 94 11:29:43 -0600 Received: by ra.i88.isc.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21594; Mon, 21 Feb 94 11:29:48 CST Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 11:29:48 CST From: narcisoa@i88.isc.com (Narciso A. Albarracin) Message-Id: <9402211729.AA21594@ra.i88.isc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR 02/21 My name is Narciso A. Albarracin. I am a consultant with SHL Systemhouse in Chicago, IL. I recently purchased a ThinkPad and am eager to get Linux on it. My configuration is: 8M RAM, 340M hard disk, with a PCIMIA card for a modem. Here is a note i posted in comp.os.linux.help, comp.sys.laptops. Any help would be appreciated. p.s. please mail directly to narcisoa.i88.isc.com >i have a IBM 750C 8/340 with the 486SL in it... i am >eternally frustrated with attempting to load Slackware1.1.1 >...i have been reading bits ands pieces of notions about >Guidance needed for loading Linux on IBM 750C!!! > thanks, narcisoa >the inability to recognize the 2.88M floppy, BIOS incompatibilities >, etc. >frankly, if anyone has successfully brought up Linux on >their IBM 750C please send me a "spoon feed" guide on what i >need to do to get it up with minimal modifications to the >kernel, driver code and without having to call clueless >IBM reps. >i already have the disk partioned for 140M for DOS... >waiting to use the rest!! with a real operating system. thanks, From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 13:08:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12953 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 13:07:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA00873; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 13:54:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 13:54:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA00845; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 13:54:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199402211854.NAA00845@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: TP750 power management To: Klaus Eckhoff Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 10:54:47 PST From: "John H. Kim" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9402211431.AA17142@osix.Materna.DE>; from "Klaus Eckhoff" at Feb 21, 94 3:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > Now to my questions: With "si.exe" (not delivered by IBM), I noticed > a dramatical reduction of CPU cycles (to almost the power of an 5 Mhz 88/XT) > after some inactive time. This happens under DOS with or without windows > running, independently of the switched CPU rate and even with external > power supply connected. Who is responsible of this behaviour and how can > I switch it off? This is standard behavior for the SL chipset if not most notebook computers. If it detects several seconds or minutes of nonuse, it assumes you're not using the computer and slows things down to conserve battery life. Ideally it would cycle down to 0MHz between your keystrokes but that's probably unrealistic. I dunno how to shut it off. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 14:13:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12550 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:13:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA05921; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:57:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:57:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA05914; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:57:36 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA01682; Mon, 21 Feb 94 14:57:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 14:57:28 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402211957.AA01682@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU, ke@Materna.DE Subject: Re: TP750 power management Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR why would you want to shut it off, it should have no noticable negative effect on performance. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 15:12:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09396 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:12:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA09950; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:49:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:49:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA09941; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:49:00 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA28271 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:48:40 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402212048.AA28271@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: DOS on TPs To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:48:37 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402210330.AA26785@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Feb 20, 94 10:30:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > to put things in perspective, it isn't entirely fair to complain that DOS > stinks. For a small system (e.g. and 8088 with 256K of memory), it isn't > so inappropriate. What is inappropriate is running DOS on a reasonably fast > machine. The TP750 is faster than a Sun-3 workstation, and running DOS on > a TP is sad indeed! Good point, indeed! Of course, once you install Windows and the rest of what I consider necessary to make it survivable (namely, either PC-Tools or NDW for Windows), it'll bring even our "mighty" TPs to just good enough (actually, I consider the performance quite fine). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 15:23:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14000 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:23:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA10760; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:59:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:59:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA10749; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 15:58:58 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA02882 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:58:40 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402212058.AA02882@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Introducing myself... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 21 Feb 1994 14:58:36 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402211118.GAA28561@CS.UTK.EDU> from "Sergio Terenas" at Feb 21, 94 11:14:42 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR >I'm thinking of expanding the RAM to 8 Mb in order to run OS/2 2.1. I was told > that there isn't much of a performance difference in having 8 or 16 Mb when > running OS/2. True ? Hmmm...I have NO idea where you would've heard that. There is not greater contradictory statement. OS/2 can use EVERY bit of RAM you have and there is quite a marked contrast between even 8MB and 12MB. Unfortunately, 16MB is not an option for us since there is no 12MB DRAM card... > My areas of interest are PCMCIA cards and the sound capabilities offered by >this machine. I would like to know of applications that use it. I'd also like > to know the specifications of Type I, II PCMCIA cards so I can write device > drivers. You've picked a touchy area indeed! :) PCMCIA cards are very irregular from vendor to vendor right now. And since it's the software usually that's lacking in functionality, maybe you can fix it! :) Type I and Type II are really not very different except for in width of size. I think Type III is pretty much reserved for hard drives right now (and that new Bernoulli device)... The sounds can be accessed by quite a number of apps through it's emulation mode. However, emulation does slow things down. It's native mode doesn't seem to have quite a large following (hopefully just for now). But IBM has included drivers for Windows and OS/2 so anything that works under their sound will probably work fine on the TP. > Can anyone, please, give me a list of available PCMCIA cards ? There's really quite a lot to cover here. I know of PCMCIA modems, network adapters, sound cards, hard drivers, flash RAM, RAM cards, SCSI adapters, of course, that new Bernoulli device (not yet released I think), PCMCIA to parallel connectors...and I'm sure there's a lot more esoteric devices (such as that GPS thing). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 21 18:17:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28415 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 18:17:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA23633; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 18:59:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 18:59:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from longs.lance.colostate.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA23626; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 18:59:18 -0500 From: Received: from eldiente.lance.colostate.edu (eldiente.lance.colostate.edu [129.82.188.24]) by longs.lance.colostate.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5a (LANCE 1.01)) with SMTP id QAA25631; Mon, 21 Feb 1994 16:59:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199402212359.QAA25631@longs.lance.colostate.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: sf311553@longs.lance.colostate.edu Subject: Introducing Myself Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 16:59:03 MST Status: OR Hello, all! My name is Stu Feld, and I am a new subscriber. I'm a PhD student at Colorado State U. (Ft. Collins, CO) and have been desperately trying to buy a TP750C for several months (since they came out). Previously, I was waiting for a 720C and have now been upgraded in absentia to a 750C (virtual upgrade? :^). I was surfing on the net and ran across an invitation to this mailing list, and thought that it may be a good place to recieve some hints on how to actually get my hands on a TP. The local dealer who has my order told me that it is impossible to get a 750C before mid-year at the soonest, even though I am willing to pay full price in cash immediately. He is also waiting for his own personal unit, so it is not a lack of interest on his part. Any help would be appreciated. On another note, I recently heard about a limited production run of an enhanced version of the 750 (with a faster processor) that is not going to be made available to the public for financial reasons. Is there any truth to this rumor? If so, what are its specs, and what possible financial reasons could IBM have for not producing an enhanced machine? One last question. The 750C has a 10.4" screen with VGA resolution. How does this differ from a machine with a 9" screen with the same resolution? One of the other students here said that the 10.4" screen simply has pixels that are spaced farther apart, but are the same size as those on a 9" screen. Is this true? Sorry about all of my cluelessness. Perhaps if I can just get my machine I will have some more interesting and specific discussion topics. Thanks in advance, Stu. (p.s. is there any kind of FAQ for this mailing list? If so, and my questions are on it, please mail it to me in lieu of direct response) From jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu Mon Feb 21 20:01:27 1994 Received: from jenner.med.harvard.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04580 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Feb 1994 20:01:25 -0600 Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02057; Mon, 21 Feb 94 20:59:51 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA761891353 Mon, 21 Feb 94 20:29:13 EST Date: Mon, 21 Feb 94 20:29:13 EST From: jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu Message-Id: <9401217618.AA761891353@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: re: Re: TP750 Video Driver in OS/2 Status: OR Your video installation fix was/is greatly appreciated! The video driver wasn't usable at all prior to that; now, it's so close to doing the job perfectly, I cannot tell whether one more tweak will do it OR there's a genuine driver problem. All I really need to know is, 'is anyone getting video to work perfetly in OS/2?' The blecherous hack is that the installation and configuration (ie SETTINGS notebook page) workplace shell/Object archectecture was completely ignored by the company that invented it. The WD90C1x and 3x video drivers are shipped with os/2. Why make the 2x (wd90c24) completely different and in a way that apparently doesn't work right? > Your best bet here is to make two copies of the SYSTEM.INI and place > them in your autoexec.bat and startup.cmd to copy it upon starting > any OS... > Well, I realize I didn't help you much... Thanks for the dual (dueling) .INI file idea. I may resort to that soon. I'm spending much less time in DOS/Windows these days, happily, so it's becoming less of an issue. It is helpful getting your comments. Thanks. -Joe From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 22 04:17:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05206 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Feb 1994 04:16:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA03481; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 04:56:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 04:56:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id EAA03474; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 04:56:19 -0500 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with ESMTP (8.6.5:23/EUnetD-2.4.2.c) via EUnet id KAA08529; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 10:27:50 +0100 From: Klaus Eckhoff Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 10:24:01 +0100 Message-Id: <9402220924.AA05132@osix.Materna.DE> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, jokim@jarthur.Claremont.EDU Subject: Re: TP750 power management Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > why would you want to shut it off, it should have no noticable negative > effect on performance. Well, last week I had some problems with it. I conneced some ISDN device called I-LINK (this is an intelligent ISDN adapter connected over the serial port to the TP. After boot, you download some protocol software and then you have a transparent TCP/IP connection to an ISDN router). Well, I started some telnet session, everything was OK. But when I tried some filetransfer with ftp, I noticed the connection hangs after about 30 seconds. This behaviour was only on the TP, not noticed on an older (and much cheaper) SNI 486/25 laptop. I assume, that the reason for this malfunction is the SL power management, so I want to switch it off (doing some tests with manually switched different clock cycles shows, that with 10 MHz, the I-LINK device didn't work). Even if you think on using the TP as a portable UNIX box, then you will have a lot of situations where you use it as a server, not doing any interactive work with keyboard, mouse, etc... --- Klaus Eckhoff, Dr. Materna GmbH, D-41441 Dortmund, Germany, ke@Materna.DE From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 22 12:11:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26147 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Feb 1994 12:10:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA15402; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 12:49:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 12:49:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA15395; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 12:49:51 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08320; Tue, 22 Feb 94 09:49:56 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06855; Tue, 22 Feb 94 09:49:00 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA08355; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 09:49:44 +0800 Date: Tue, 22 Feb 1994 09:49:44 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402221749.AA08355@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Several TP750 Questions! In-Reply-To: <9402211559.AA11826@kentucky> References: <9402211559.AA11826@kentucky> Status: OR Since I use a PCMCIA modem, I shut off the power to the external and internal serial ports. The "external" port is the one on the back. The "internal" serial port is the one that gets used if you swap out the diskette drive and replace it with a modem. Since I use a diskette drive, I don't need the modem power. You can shut off power to these with the ps2win program, or the ps2 command under dos: ps2 modem off (internal) ps2 serial off (external) You can shut off power to the PCMCIA slots under DOS with the pcmciaof (note one 'f') and pcmciaon commands. On my machine they are in c:\thinkpad. > I turn the screen on my TP off when I have the monitor > hooked up (using the PS2 commands). You can also use Fn-F7 under some OSes. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Feb 22 22:04:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17756 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Feb 1994 22:04:35 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA25079; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 22:42:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 22:42:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA25065; Tue, 22 Feb 1994 22:42:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199402230342.WAA25065@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: TP750 power management To: Klaus Eckhoff Date: Tue, 22 Feb 94 19:42:09 PST From: "John H. Kim" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9402220924.AA05132@osix.Materna.DE>; from "Klaus Eckhoff" at Feb 22, 94 10:24 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > Well, last week I had some problems with it. I conneced some ISDN device > called I-LINK (this is an intelligent ISDN adapter connected over the > serial port to the TP. After boot, you download some protocol software > and then you have a transparent TCP/IP connection to an ISDN router). > > Well, I started some telnet session, everything was OK. But when I tried > some filetransfer with ftp, I noticed the connection hangs after about > 30 seconds. This behaviour was only on the TP, not noticed on an older > (and much cheaper) SNI 486/25 laptop. I assume, that the reason for this > malfunction is the SL power management, so I want to switch it off (doing > some tests with manually switched different clock cycles shows, that > with 10 MHz, the I-LINK device didn't work). If you're running under DOS, the FUELDOS TSR program will kill your serial connection. I flagged the problem when I was using an external modem, and it's been verified by someone else. Maybe it should go into the FAQ. I have yet to report it to IBM, too busy. To fix it, just rem out the FUELDOS program from your autoexec.bat. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 23 15:40:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24481 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:40:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA17167; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:59:37 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:59:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA17158; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:59:31 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA06828 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 14:59:15 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402232059.AA06828@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Re: TP750 Video Driver in OS/2 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 14:59:14 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9401217618.AA761891353@warren.med.harvard.edu> from "jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu" at Feb 21, 94 08:28:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Your video installation fix was/is greatly appreciated! > The video driver wasn't usable at all prior to that; > now, it's so close to doing the job perfectly, > I cannot tell whether one more tweak will do it OR > there's a genuine driver problem. Since the installation procedure is just a CMD file, I may spend some time this spring break altering it to be more flexible. Of course, this will have to be after the FAQ is completed... :) > All I really need to know is, > 'is anyone getting video to work perfetly in OS/2?' I think that I do have pretty much a perfectly working seamless window, but some DOS sessions will get screwy... Have you tried the new drivers? Video drivers are up to version 1.20 now. > The blecherous hack is that the installation and configuration > (ie SETTINGS notebook page) workplace shell/Object archectecture > was completely ignored by the company that invented it. The This kind of things is exactly what makes me question OS/2 on occassion. It's the best thing since UNIX but, IBM has to whole-heartedly sell it. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 23 15:41:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25073 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:41:22 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17813; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:07:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:07:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17747; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:07:20 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA10457 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:07:09 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402232107.AA10457@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: TP750 power management To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:07:05 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9402220924.AA05132@osix.Materna.DE> from "Klaus Eckhoff" at Feb 22, 94 10:23:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Well, last week I had some problems with it. I conneced some ISDN device > called I-LINK (this is an intelligent ISDN adapter connected over the > serial port to the TP. After boot, you download some protocol software > and then you have a transparent TCP/IP connection to an ISDN router). Hmm...if it goes through the serial, perhaps you can set it to turn on during serial input....that way it should stay on for the majority, if not all, of the time.... > (and much cheaper) SNI 486/25 laptop. I assume, that the reason for this > malfunction is the SL power management, so I want to switch it off (doing I see now. John Kim has said that's part of the SL chip so I don't know if that will work. A workaround may be to just try to keep the system active enough unless the serial port incoming thing works. Maybe a cron file that will run something in the background periodically? > Even if you think on using the TP as a portable UNIX box, then you will > have a lot of situations where you use it as a server, not doing any > interactive work with keyboard, mouse, etc... Are you using it as a UNIX box? If so, what are you running? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 23 15:47:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27452 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:47:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA18395; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:13:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:13:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA18388; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:13:06 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA12654 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:12:54 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402232112.AA12654@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Battery Tests -- Extended To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:12:51 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402221857.KAA15226@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> from "Brian K. Tarkington" at Feb 22, 94 10:57:33 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > about 15 discharge/charge cycles. I complained to IBM and was sent a > replacement. This one only loses about 5% overnight. I haven't tested > longer periods because I've been using my TP so much. However, the new > battery is certainly better and within spec. according to IBM. I think that if I continue to have problems, I will contact them for a new battery. I've reported my problem and they know about it... > Also, I was disappointed that SO FEW HAVE RESPONDED TO THE BATTERY TEST SO > FAR. It really doesn't take that much effort to perform these tests. And > the results would be very interesting. I still have questions about power > use by these third party DRAM cards, which the testing would resolve. Well, two data sets aren't really enough to do anything with so I am forced to extend the date indefinately. EVERYONE, please try to note the times of your battery life. To make things easier, you can pick up either Memsize or PMPatrol, which both have time up counters -- simply record the circumstances you are operating under and send 'em my way! Also, as Brian mentioned, please include the manufacturer of you DRAM card.. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 23 16:10:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07202 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:10:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA20623; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:36:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:36:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA20606; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 16:36:24 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA22674 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:36:12 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402232136.AA22674@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: no subject (file transmission) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 23 Feb 1994 15:36:11 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR BATTERY TEST GUIDLINES There are certain conditions I'd like to test. 1. No Activity Test: Disable the screen and hard drive suspend options. Don't have any apps other than either Windows or OS/2 and the fuel applet. Let it run down to 5%. 2. Suspend Test: Put your machine in suspend and let it sit. Now I know most of you are too busy to let your machines sit all the way through this one so I would just like you to record one or two overnight suspends. Record the exact time you suspend and the exact time you bring it out and check the fuel guage. 3. "Normal" High Use Test: Just go about your daily routines and record the time it takes for your machine to reach 5% fuel. Since this will probably be the most variable, I'd prefer multiple tests, if possible. Also, to standardize things, use the high setting. Leave the suspend screen and hard drive settings at a level where you normally would. And lastly, don't use PCMCIA cards. 4. "PCMCIA" Use Test: As #3 except use your PCMCIA card(s) the whole time. 5. "Normal" Medium Use Test: (OPTIONAL) See #3 except set it to the Medium level. 6. Game-Play Test: Yes, why not? Play a rather disk and CPU intensive game such as Wolfenstein 3-D and use the audio system. 7. In-Use Partial Recharge: How long does it take to recharge to 80% when you're using your machine? 8. In-Use Full Recharge: How about 99%? 9. Power-Off Recharge: How long does it take to recharge when your TP is off? I know that there are a lot of tests, but I feel that this will give us a better range to deal with. Also, not everyone will be able to tests all conditions so just send me what you can. Also, be sure to send it to me personally so that we don't pollute our mailing list. My email is seanchou@uiuc.edu. This is an example of what to send and what to include: ----------- System: TP750C, 12mb RAM, 340mb HD, OS/2 2.1 with MMPM/2 DRAM card by Viking Test#2. 13% loss over 9:26 Test#3. Lotus 1-2-3, file management, various other data tasks. 2:14. ----------- BTW, those are real numbers. If you have any comments, please send them to me. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Feb 23 20:19:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04860 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Feb 1994 20:19:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA29377; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 20:49:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 20:49:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA29230; Wed, 23 Feb 1994 20:49:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199402240149.UAA29230@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: TP750 power management To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 23 Feb 94 17:46:47 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199402232107.AA10457@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Feb 23, 94 3:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > (and much cheaper) SNI 486/25 laptop. I assume, that the reason for this > > malfunction is the SL power management, so I want to switch it off (doing > > I see now. John Kim has said that's part of the SL chip so I don't > know if that will work. A workaround may be to just try to keep > the system active enough unless the serial port incoming thing > works. Maybe a cron file that will run something in the background > periodically? The way I get around the auto-processor-slowdown is hit the Trackpoint every few seconds. That seems to wake the CPU up and reset whatever clock it's using to determine if you're not doing anything. You can try pushing on the TPII (make circles or whatever you want) while the SLIP connection is up and see if that solves the telnet problem. If it does, you've proved the power management is the culprit. If it doesn't, maybe it's something else. This is an ISA machine after all, not exactly well suited for multitasking, especially if you're going thru the built-in serial port with a 16450 UART. (If you're curious why I'd want to defeat the power management, it's really irritating to have a compile going, leave the room, come back a few minutes later, find it compiling the same file, hit the TPII, and watch it compile the next two files in 15 seconds or so. Plugging it in to the AC adapter seems to shut the power management off, although I'm not really sure. Oooh, goody, another semi-useless test to do...) Oh, what's this I hear about a modem that replaces the floppy drive? I thought the internal serial power was for the PCMCIA slots, although the manual is vague enough about it to make it impossible to tell. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 24 05:40:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07825 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 24 Feb 1994 05:39:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id GAA29789; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 06:19:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 06:19:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id GAA29737; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 06:19:32 -0500 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with ESMTP (8.6.5:24/EUnetD-2.4.2.d) via EUnet id LAA18284; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 11:35:26 +0100 From: Klaus Eckhoff Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 11:28:12 +0100 Message-Id: <9402241028.AA04211@osix.Materna.DE> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP750 power management Status: OR > The way I get around the auto-processor-slowdown is hit the Trackpoint > every few seconds. That seems to wake the CPU up and reset whatever > clock it's using to determine if you're not doing anything. You can > try pushing on the TPII (make circles or whatever you want) while the > SLIP connection is up and see if that solves the telnet problem. If > it does, you've proved the power management is the culprit. If it > doesn't, maybe it's something else. This is an ISA machine after all, > not exactly well suited for multitasking, especially if you're going > thru the built-in serial port with a 16450 UART. Well, maybe you are right with pushing the TPII. I would prefer a solution which will require a little bit less action :-).. BTW, no problem with the buildin UART. I-LINK says, it uses 105 KBp/s with that think... > (If you're curious why I'd want to defeat the power management, it's > really irritating to have a compile going, leave the room, come back > a few minutes later, find it compiling the same file, hit the TPII, and > watch it compile the next two files in 15 seconds or so. Plugging it > in to the AC adapter seems to shut the power management off, although > I'm not really sure. Oooh, goody, another semi-useless test to do...) I've tried some combinations so far (with and without power.exe loaded etc.). What I'am doing now is: - load power.exe in config.sys - do NOT load fueldos.exe in config.sys - switch off power management with "power off" in autoexec.bat This seem to work (even with external AC adapter, but sometimes also with battery power). --- Klaus Eckhoff, Dr. Materna GmbH, D-44141 Dortmund, Germany, ke@Materna.DE From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 24 08:40:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23412 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 24 Feb 1994 08:40:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA28971; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 08:32:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 08:32:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA28831; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 08:32:17 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23977; Thu, 24 Feb 94 02:12:46 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA762084673 Thu, 24 Feb 94 02:11:13 EST Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 02:11:13 EST Message-Id: <9401247620.AA762084673@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Re: TP750 Video Driver in OS/2 Status: OR My video driver revision: When I run VESA.exe, I see version 1.07 The printed label on the disk says version 1.12. What's the best way to get the 1.20 version video driver? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Thu Feb 24 09:09:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29074 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 24 Feb 1994 09:09:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA01061; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 08:34:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 08:34:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA00912; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 08:34:24 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA22770 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 24 Feb 1994 01:04:23 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402240704.AA22770@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Internal serial port To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 01:04:22 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402240149.UAA29230@CS.UTK.EDU> from "John H. Kim" at Feb 23, 94 05:46:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Oh, what's this I hear about a modem that replaces the floppy drive? > I thought the internal serial power was for the PCMCIA slots, although > the manual is vague enough about it to make it impossible to tell. No, the internal serial port is for an internal device such as the $800 cellular modem (or maybe it's more) that supposed to fit into the floppy bay. Of course, that leaves the door open for other people to use the internal serial device...maybe an ISDN connection or something? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 24 10:28:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24810 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 24 Feb 1994 10:28:54 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA18647; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 11:01:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 11:01:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA18640; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 11:01:27 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26171; Thu, 24 Feb 94 10:57:59 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA762115778 Thu, 24 Feb 94 10:49:38 EST Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 10:49:38 EST Message-Id: <9401247621.AA762115778@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: ke@Materna.DE, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP750 power management Status: OR Yhe auto-processor slow-down 'feature' can easily be disabled. I'm doing it in OS/2 using the provided thinkpad power management utility. Actually, I've been able to toggle between 'jet airplane', 'race car' and economy 'bicycle' from the keyboard Fn key, regardless of which window has the focus. There are a few ways to change modes in DOS. I'd probably start with the ps2 command. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 24 11:51:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25832 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 24 Feb 1994 11:51:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA25485; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 12:24:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 12:24:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA25478; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 12:24:45 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24018 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 24 Feb 1994 11:24:38 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA19172; Thu, 24 Feb 94 11:32:42 CST Date: Thu, 24 Feb 94 11:32:42 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9402241732.AA19172@kentucky> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Saga of the Modem Status: OR Dear all: I recently purchased an AT&T KIT modem, which works just fine with my TP750C. I am a DOS/WINDOWS person, and I am using the drivers from the most recent ThinkPad Utilities diskette (along with EasyPlay and the DOS command Ramboost). A problem I have been having is that with these drivers loaded, the machine will not go into either suspend or hibernate mode. The documentation for the machine does state that the machine may not be able to hibernate with a PCMCIA card, but it says nothing about not being able to suspend. Would anyone like to help? I think that the problem arises because the modem stays on (at least the light for the card remains on). The commands pcmciaof and pcmciaon (part of the new Utilities set) do nothing. In case you are interested, my config.sys file is given below. Thanks in advance for your help. SW P.S. Here's my config.sys ******************* DEVICE=C:\windows\HIMEM.SYS FILES=30 BUFFERS=10 dos=high DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS RAM X=C000-CFFF device=c:\dos\ramboost.exe load DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\IBMDSS01.SYS /S0=2 DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\IBMDOSCS.SYS DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C000-CFFF DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\$ICPMDOS.SYS DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\AUTODRV.SYS C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\AUTODRV.INI DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\SRAMDRV2.SYS DEVICE=c:\dos\power.exe DEVICE=C:\thinkpad\IBMVESA\VESA.EXE STACKS=9,256 SHELL=C:\UTILITY\NORTON\NDOS.COM /p ***************** I have tried this with and without the power device driver, and it makes no difference. My solution now is simply not to lad the easyplay drivers when I am not using the modem, but I would rather get the machine to properly hibernate/suspend with the modem operational. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology Professor, Beckman Institute ****************************************************************************** stanwass@uiuc.edu * sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * ********************* * 217 333-3325 * 217 244-6905 * 217 244-5876 (fax) * ****************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Feb 24 20:06:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11540 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 24 Feb 1994 20:06:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA28027; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 18:35:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 18:35:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA28013; Thu, 24 Feb 1994 18:35:28 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24933; Thu, 24 Feb 94 18:34:16 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402242334.AA24933@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Re: Saga of the Modem To: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 1994 18:32:55 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@ssnet.com In-Reply-To: <9402241732.AA19172@kentucky> from "Stanley Wasserman" at Feb 24, 94 11:32:42 am Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Sender: forster@ssnet.com Status: OR Stanley Wasserman writes: : : : Dear all: : : I recently purchased an AT&T KIT modem, which works just fine with : my TP750C. I am a DOS/WINDOWS person, and : I am using the drivers from the most recent : ThinkPad Utilities diskette (along with EasyPlay and the DOS : command Ramboost). : : A problem I have been having is that with these drivers loaded, : the machine will not go into either suspend or hibernate mode. : The documentation for the machine does state that the machine : may not be able to hibernate with a PCMCIA card, but it says : nothing about not being able to suspend. I had a similar problem, in that my TP750 would not enter suspend or hibernate anymore. However, that was using OS/2, and the reason was a driver for the IBM PCMCIA ethernet adapter, and not the AT&T KiT modem that I also had installed (the ethernet driver did not like being stopped). However, when trying to solve this problem, I found that it is extremely important in which order drivers are loaded in CONFIG.SYS. By observing the right order, I am now able to enter suspend and hibernate mode with the AT&T modem installed, and suspend (but not hibernate) with the modem and the ethernet card installed. I realize that there may be some differences between DOS and OS/2, but I would suggest that you put the line loading the AUTODRV.SYS before the line loading IBMDSS01.SYS (that's how I have it in OS/2). Also, in OS/2 there is an EasyPlay driver (EZPLAY2.SYS) that is loaded in CONFIG.SYS before AUTODRV2.SYS, and I don't see anything like that in your CONFIG.SYS. This EasyPlay driver takes care of recognizing when the card is removed and reinserted, etc., so I would think that it also plays a key role with suspend and hibernate modes. : : Would anyone like to help? I think that the problem arises because : the modem stays on (at least the light for the card remains on). : The commands pcmciaof and pcmciaon (part of the new Utilities set) : do nothing. I hope I was able to help a little. : : In case you are interested, my config.sys file is given below. : Thanks in advance for your help. : : : SW : : : P.S. Here's my config.sys : : ******************* : DEVICE=C:\windows\HIMEM.SYS : FILES=30 : BUFFERS=10 : dos=high : DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS RAM X=C000-CFFF : device=c:\dos\ramboost.exe load : DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\IBMDSS01.SYS /S0=2 : DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\IBMDOSCS.SYS : DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C000-CFFF : DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\$ICPMDOS.SYS : DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\AUTODRV.SYS C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\AUTODRV.INI : DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\EASYPLAY\SRAMDRV2.SYS : DEVICE=c:\dos\power.exe : DEVICE=C:\thinkpad\IBMVESA\VESA.EXE : STACKS=9,256 : SHELL=C:\UTILITY\NORTON\NDOS.COM /p : ***************** : : I have tried this with and without the power device driver, and it makes : no difference. My solution now is simply not to lad the easyplay : drivers when I am not using the modem, but I would rather get the : machine to properly hibernate/suspend with the modem operational. : : ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ : Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, : University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology : Professor, Beckman Institute : ****************************************************************************** : stanwass@uiuc.edu * : sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * : ********************* * : 217 333-3325 * : 217 244-6905 * : 217 244-5876 (fax) * : ***************************************************************************** : : Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Feb 25 21:04:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00022 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 25 Feb 1994 21:04:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA29328; Fri, 25 Feb 1994 21:41:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 25 Feb 1994 21:41:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA29315; Fri, 25 Feb 1994 21:40:57 -0500 Received: from [128.120.18.112] by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (8.6.5/UCD2.50) id SAA09763; Fri, 25 Feb 1994 18:39:15 -0800 Date: Fri, 25 Feb 1994 18:39:15 -0800 Message-Id: <199402260239.SAA09763@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) From: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Subject: Re: Saga of the Modem Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR >Stanley Wasserman writes: > : > : > : Dear all: > : > : I recently purchased an AT&T KIT modem, which works just fine with > : my TP750C. I am a DOS/WINDOWS person, and > : I am using the drivers from the most recent > : ThinkPad Utilities diskette (along with EasyPlay and the DOS > : command Ramboost). > : > : A problem I have been having is that with these drivers loaded, > : the machine will not go into either suspend or hibernate mode. > : The documentation for the machine does state that the machine > : may not be able to hibernate with a PCMCIA card, but it says > : nothing about not being able to suspend. Peter Forester wrote:> >I had a similar problem, in that my TP750 would not enter suspend or hibernate >anymore. However, that was using OS/2, and the reason was a driver for the >IBM PCMCIA ethernet adapter, and not the AT&T KiT modem that I also had >installed (the ethernet driver did not like being stopped). > >However, when trying to solve this problem, I found that it is extremely >important in which order drivers are loaded in CONFIG.SYS. By observing the >right order, I am now able to enter suspend and hibernate mode with the >AT&T modem installed, and suspend (but not hibernate) with the modem and the >ethernet card installed. > >I hope I was able to help a little. > Thank you. I also had the problem of the TP not suspending. This happened after I replaced my COM.SYS (dated 4/29/93) in the OS/2 folder with the newer one (dated 11/11/93) that came with EZPLAY2 and resides in the Thinkpad folder. I read there were some problems with older COM.SYS files, and I wrongly concluded that the newer one might be better. I went back to the older one in the OS/2 folder. I think you have found the reason for this problem. The Easy Playing driver seems to work great with the AT&T modem as you stated. The only problem I have is that the computer won't come out of suspend on receipt of a fax using FaxWorks for OS/2. I believe the wake on incoming call feature is set correctly in power. Have you solved this one also? Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 26 07:20:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13286 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 26 Feb 1994 07:20:05 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA11365; Sat, 26 Feb 1994 07:58:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 26 Feb 1994 07:58:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from marlin.ssnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA11358; Sat, 26 Feb 1994 07:58:39 -0500 Received: by marlin.ssnet.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17309; Sat, 26 Feb 94 07:57:26 EST From: forster@ssnet.com (Peter Forster) Message-Id: <9402261257.AA17309@marlin.ssnet.com> Subject: Re: Saga of the Modem To: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 07:57:25 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402260239.SAA09763@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> from "Brian K. Tarkington" at Feb 25, 94 06:39:15 pm Organization: Iwan-N.-Stranski-Institut, Technische Universitaet Berlin X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: OR Brian K. Tarkington writes: : : Peter Forster wrote:> : >I had a similar problem, in that my TP750 would not enter suspend or hibernate : >anymore. However, that was using OS/2, and the reason was a driver for the : >IBM PCMCIA ethernet adapter, and not the AT&T KiT modem that I also had : >installed (the ethernet driver did not like being stopped). : > : >However, when trying to solve this problem, I found that it is extremely : >important in which order drivers are loaded in CONFIG.SYS. By observing the : >right order, I am now able to enter suspend and hibernate mode with the : >AT&T modem installed, and suspend (but not hibernate) with the modem and the : >ethernet card installed. : > : : >I hope I was able to help a little. : > : Thank you. I also had the problem of the TP not suspending. This happened : after I replaced my COM.SYS (dated 4/29/93) in the OS/2 folder with the : newer one (dated 11/11/93) that came with EZPLAY2 and resides in the : Thinkpad folder. I read there were some problems with older COM.SYS files, : and I wrongly concluded that the newer one might be better. I went back to : the older one in the OS/2 folder. I think you have found the reason for : this problem. The Easy Playing driver seems to work great with the AT&T : modem as you stated. Actually, I am using the COM.SYS that came with the EasyPlay drivers and have had no problems with that. : : The only problem I have is that the computer won't come out of suspend on : receipt of a fax using FaxWorks for OS/2. I believe the wake on incoming : call feature is set correctly in power. Have you solved this one also? : Sorry, but I haven't needed that feature yet, so I never tried. : : Brian K. Tarkington : University of California at Davis : bktarkington@ucdavis.edu : : : Peter ============================================================================== Peter Forster forster@ssnet.com 230 Steeplechase Circle Phone: (302) 239-6576 Wilmington, DE 19808 Fax: (302) 239-0772 ============================================================================== From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Feb 26 12:40:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24191 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 26 Feb 1994 12:40:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA25442; Sat, 26 Feb 1994 12:24:54 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 26 Feb 1994 12:24:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gwis.circ.gwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA25435; Sat, 26 Feb 1994 12:24:51 -0500 Received: from localhost (halinatr@localhost) by gwis.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id MAA17742; Sat, 26 Feb 1994 12:26:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 1994 12:21:48 -0500 (EST) From: darren mccabe Subject: Intro To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Howdy, This is my "introduction," as requseted when I signed up to this list. I am a grad student at GW, and a Microsoftware developer in Washington DC. I am 22, and have been into computers since I was 11 years old. I have a "bottom of the line" (if there is such a thing!) Thinkpad 750, 170KB hard drive, 4MB ram. I am running Stacker 4.0 for windows, I am connected to a Novell Network at work, using Netware 3.11 and the IBM PCMCIA adapter. Currently I am in the market for emory, better sound, and a docking station, for my Virtual office. (I have a PS/2 55sx which I use at the same time.) I guess that's about it! I am glad to be on this list, with others who think the ThinkPad is the must bitchin' thing on the market! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Darren Patrick McCabe "Hal" | Mail: Halinatr@gwis.circ.gwu.edu | |-------------------------------|------------------------------------------| | Work: Gnossos Software, Inc | School: The George Washington University | | 1625 K St, NW, Suite 410 | Graduate School of Political Management| | Washington, DC 20006 | PADI Open Water Scuba Instructor #57901 | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | "I want to decide who lives and who dies" - Crow T. Robot, MST3K | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 27 16:09:13 1994 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12488 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 27 Feb 1994 16:09:08 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02045 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 27 Feb 1994 11:00:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA20314; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 11:44:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 11:44:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA20306; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 11:44:23 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA02925; Sun, 27 Feb 94 11:44:28 -0500 Date: Sun, 27 Feb 94 11:44:28 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402271644.AA02925@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: battery usage Status: OR TP 750C, 16 meg card (don't know manufacturer), 24 hours on suspend, battery down to 48%. Normal battery life, with PS2 BR N, and disk blazing away constantly (doing large compilations under OS/2), just over 2 hours. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 27 16:59:05 1994 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01296 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 27 Feb 1994 16:59:03 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18756 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 27 Feb 1994 13:10:43 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA26746; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 13:49:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 13:49:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA26739; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 13:49:12 -0500 Message-Id: <199402271849.NAA26739@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: EASYPLAY.DOC To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 27 Feb 94 10:49:15 PST From: "John H. Kim" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR I finally broke down and grabbed the latest TP750 drivers off the NSC BBS. The latest versions there are: Utility: 1.2 Video: 1.12 Audio: 1.10 System: 1.02 355803 bytes Maintenance: 1.00 194561 bytes This was late at night so I didn't realize I already have the Audio 1.10 disk and grabbed it too. :( Does anyone know what the System 1.02 and Maintenance 1.00 disks are? Are there newer versions of any of these disks on CompuServe? Where are they? I've got $15 of CompuServe credit I got with my modem, although I'd prefer to use it for something else. Anyways, there were no docs for the EasyPlay drivers. Can somebody mail me a copy? Better yet, mail me a message saying you can mail me a copy and I'll reply with an OK. That way I won't get a dozen copies. :) Thanks. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Feb 27 21:27:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19398 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 27 Feb 1994 21:27:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA27190; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 22:09:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 22:09:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA27182; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 22:09:48 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA05728; Sun, 27 Feb 1994 19:08:41 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sun, 27 Feb 1994 19:10:40 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.CLAREMONT.EDU Message-Id: <69041.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: OS/2 & PCMCIA power Status: OR How do you turn off a PCMCIA card under OS/2? I've managed to get my AT&T KIT modem working under OS/2 (it defaulted to COM2 even though I've set the external serial port as COM2), but I want to turn the power off when I'm running off the battery and not using the modem. I'm assuming the little PCMCIA status light (right next to the floppy light and recharge light) works and that it's supposed to turn off when I turn the power off. I haven't managed to do that so far. Even the DOS EZPlay PCMCIA stuff doesn't work. Has anybody gotten it working, or am I just going to have to yank the modem out when I'm not using it? (That's not that bad actually. The 8MB memory module I bought came in a plastic case that's just the right size for the PCMCIA modem. -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 28 15:25:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10396 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:24:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA17849; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:50:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:50:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA17836; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:50:22 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA24404 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:50:11 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402282050.AA24404@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: OS/2 & PCMCIA power To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:50:09 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <69041.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Feb 27, 94 07:10:26 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > How do you turn off a PCMCIA card under OS/2? I've managed to get my AT&T > KIT modem working under OS/2 (it defaulted to COM2 even though I've set the > external serial port as COM2), but I want to turn the power off when I'm That's a great unsolved mystery. I've been playing with both the OS/2 and Windows drivers and I can't seem to ge the light to turn off (hence, turning off juice to the PCM slots) for the life of me! As for the COM port bit...hmmm. Weird. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 28 15:31:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13003 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:31:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA18212; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:54:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:54:09 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA18203; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 15:54:07 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA25971 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:53:53 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199402282053.AA25971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: PCM Power & Strange disks To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:53:49 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199402282045.AA22480@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Mail Delivery Subsystem" at Feb 28, 94 02:45:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I finally broke down and grabbed the latest TP750 drivers off the NSC BBS. > The latest versions there are: Thanks for the info! > disk and grabbed it too. :( Does anyone know what the System 1.02 and > Maintenance 1.00 disks are? Are there newer versions of any of these disks I have not idea. But while we're on the subject, does anyone know what reference disks are? Should I have made them before wiping out my hard drive setup that came with the machine? Anyway, there are no newer copies on compuserve. But there are copies of the EasyPlay documentation. I got a copy in Word format, with some nice pictures... From whittle@chaph.usc.edu Mon Feb 28 16:16:12 1994 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03486 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:16:07 -0600 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA13051; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:15:50 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id OAA03839; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:15:41 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199402282215.OAA03839@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: PCM Power & Strange disks To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:15:38 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199402282053.AA25971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Feb 28, 94 02:53:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1292 Status: OR > I have not idea. But while we're on the subject, does anyone know > what reference disks are? Reference disks are/were an annoying way to access the machine's BIOS on some older computers--mostly by IBM, but not exclusively so (I used to have to mess with one of those stupid disks with an old-ish HP Vectra machine). You needed them for just about *anything* you adjusted on the computer, outside of tweaking the AUTOEXEC & CONFIG files... I think they play a special role in configuration of new cards and the like on Microchannel machines--and since IBM pretty much makes the only MCA machines, that's why the "reference disk" has become synonymous with IBM's PC's. Fortunately, the ThinkPad 750 series requires no such thing--you already know how to access the BIOS for changing settings. > Should I have made them before wiping out > my hard drive setup that came with the machine? Nope--there was no such necessity for your 750. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 28 16:22:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06240 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:22:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA21615; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:41:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:41:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA21605; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:41:16 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12716; Mon, 28 Feb 94 13:41:06 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11509; Mon, 28 Feb 94 13:40:11 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA12096; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 13:40:52 +0800 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 13:40:52 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9402282140.AA12096@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: PCM Power & Strange disks In-Reply-To: <199402282053.AA25971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> References: <199402282045.AA22480@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu> <199402282053.AA25971@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Status: OR The TP750 doesn't have a reference disk like the PS/2s do. > Does anyone know what the System 1.02 and Maintenance 1.00 disks are? The system disk has a BIOS on it, dated 11/25/93. If your BIOS is older than this, you might want to upgrade, especially if you have a 750CS or 750P. If you have the 750CE, there's an even newer BIOS on the BBS. The maint disk has some test stuff on it. You can ignore it unless you want to be "complete" in your collection of 750 disks from IBM. :-) This is from memory since my disks are at home. > copies of the EasyPlay documentation. I got a copy in Word format, with > some nice pictures... Oh, covet covet. I almost signed up for Compuserve this weekend. ..bob From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Mon Feb 28 16:40:56 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14289 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:40:52 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12490; Mon, 28 Feb 94 17:40:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 17:40:48 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9402282240.AA12490@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: PCM Power & Strange disks Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR actually these days, virtually any EISA machine requires separate diskettes with configuration files etc. There is usually a minimal config in the BIOS, but it is only for desparation use, e.g. when the diskette won't boot, and IBM can hardly be accused of perpetrating this approach on EISA machines! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 28 16:44:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15682 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:44:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA22090; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:45:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:45:23 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from pinyon.libre.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA22074; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 16:45:20 -0500 Received: from localhost (flyer@localhost) by pinyon.libre.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) id OAA20393; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:37:36 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 14:28:39 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Gross Subject: information To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hello- we are using a thinkpad 750C with 4M of RAM, 170M HD, and an IBM high speed PCMCIA data fax modem. Operating system is DOS and MS Windows. We needed a notebook that has a large, easy to view display, good battery life, and the ability to upgrade components without going to a service facility. Some comments: 1. The battery life is advertised to be 3-8 hours, depending on useage applications in use, ps modes selected. I never get more than 2:10 minutes of use on a fully charged battery. 2. Using the hibernation mode, when I return to the application in use, I lose power to the PC card, requiring a reboot. Any comments? Thanks- Steve From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 28 17:17:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29797 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 17:17:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA26479; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 17:43:08 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 17:43:07 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ns.Novell.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA26472; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 17:43:05 -0500 Received: from stealth.test.NPD.Provo.Novell.COM by ns.Novell.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13167; Mon, 28 Feb 94 15:47:26 MST Received: by stealth.test.NPD.Provo.Novell.COM (NX5.67d/NX3.0S) id AA04767; Mon, 28 Feb 94 15:40:22 -0700 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 15:40:22 -0700 From: James Grant Message-Id: <9402282240.AA04767@stealth.test.NPD.Provo.Novell.COM> Received: by NeXT.Mailer (1.100) Received: by NeXT Mailer (1.100) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Num Lock Off Status: OR Is there a way to set Num Lock to off other than by using a DOS command? I have a TP750C and my version of DOS does not include a Num Lock off command. Thanks, James jgrant@novell From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Feb 28 21:04:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14741 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Feb 1994 21:04:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA09204; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 21:11:51 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 21:11:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from vms.macc.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA09197; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 21:11:47 -0500 Received: from VMSmail by vms.macc.wisc.edu; Mon, 28 Feb 94 20:11 CDT Message-Id: <24022820112637@vms.macc.wisc.edu> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 20:11 CDT From: Chris Schumann Subject: Introducing... me To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Vms-To: IN%"tp750@cs.utk.edu" Status: OR Hi! I'm Chris Schumann, and I'm a ThinkPad owner (Hi Chris) 750P, 4MB RAM, 170 MB hard disk. MegaHertz 14.4Kbaud PCMCIA modem Yamaha CBX-T3 tone generator / MIDI interface I guess you could call my stereo an accessory at times... :-) Coolest pen app: Minesweeper (sigh) Oh, yes. I am using IBM-DOS 6.1, MS Windows 3.1, and MS Windows for Pen 1.0. I'll just lurk for a while if that's ok... chris From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 1 01:55:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26018 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 1 Mar 1994 01:55:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA27011; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 02:31:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 02:31:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.cs.hmc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA27004; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 02:31:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199403010731.CAA27004@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: AT&T KIT modem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 28 Feb 94 23:31:26 PST From: "John H. Kim" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR Has anybody encountered strange behavior with their AT&T KIT modem? Specifically, it not taking up a serial port (according to various DOS utilities), not sending characters to the screen (echo works, but 'at' doesn't give an OK, although 'atdt' gives a dial tone), dials ok but refuses to accept keystrokes once connected? I'm using it right now but only after trying to connect about 30 times. I'm not sure if the problem went away or I got lucky. I'm also not sure what caused the problem. The only things I changed since when it was working fine was disabling the external serial port and fiddling with the pcmciaon/off DOS utilities. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 1 16:31:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01083 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:31:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA05498; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:56:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:56:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA05486; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:56:19 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14056; Tue, 1 Mar 94 13:53:54 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12624; Tue, 1 Mar 94 13:52:09 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA12903; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 18:35:22 +0800 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 18:35:22 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9403010235.AA12903@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: SCHUMANN@macc.wisc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Introducing... me In-Reply-To: <24022820112637@vms.macc.wisc.edu> References: <24022820112637@vms.macc.wisc.edu> Status: OR > Yamaha CBX-T3 tone generator / MIDI interface I'm not familiar with this; where does it plug in to the thinkpad? I'm looking for a decent MIDI interface for the TP. > Coolest pen app: Minesweeper (sigh) That's pretty ironic, since minesweeper isn't very useful with the trackpoint, unless you never use the 2-button-clear feature (but then your times really suck). > I'll just lurk for a while if that's ok... Ha! Time's up! ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 1 16:44:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06808 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:44:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA06721; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 17:12:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 17:12:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA06714; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 17:12:52 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA22164 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:12:41 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403012212.AA22164@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 16:12:40 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199403010731.CAA27004@CS.UTK.EDU> from "John H. Kim" at Feb 28, 94 11:31:12 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Has anybody encountered strange behavior with their AT&T KIT modem? I haven't had any problem that didn't seem to be due to software; that is, once I changed software, all was fine. I wonder what those pcmciaon.exe and pcmciaof.exe are? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 1 18:53:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25489 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 1 Mar 1994 18:53:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA14644; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 19:24:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 19:24:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from vms.macc.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA14634; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 19:24:41 -0500 Received: from VMSmail by vms.macc.wisc.edu; Tue, 01 Mar 94 18:24 CDT Message-Id: <24030118241845@vms.macc.wisc.edu> Date: Tue, 01 Mar 94 18:24 CDT From: Chris Schumann Subject: New PCMCIA drivers & MegaHertz modem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Vms-To: IN%"tp750@cs.utk.edu" Status: OR Well, I got the new PCMCIA drivers from IBM, but I'm afraid I'll have to call Megahertz after I install them. The first time, I had to call and they had me REMOVE one of those four gizmos in the config.sys. Anyone made the jump? chris ps. Any other pen owners? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 1 20:33:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29481 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 1 Mar 1994 20:33:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA20661; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 20:52:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 20:52:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA20653; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 20:52:27 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22920; Tue, 1 Mar 94 17:52:28 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14783; Tue, 1 Mar 94 17:51:23 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA13561; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 17:06:46 +0800 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 17:06:46 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9403020106.AA13561@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: SCHUMANN@macc.wisc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: New PCMCIA drivers & MegaHertz modem In-Reply-To: <24030118241845@vms.macc.wisc.edu> References: <24030118241845@vms.macc.wisc.edu> Status: OR > Well, I got the new PCMCIA drivers from IBM, > but I'm afraid I'll have to call Megahertz > after I install them. Are you having a problem? If so, you didn't say what it was. I'm using the IBM drivers and the Megahertz XJ1144 modem. Works fine. Here's what I've got in my config.sys when I boot with the modem: DEVICE=C:\windows\HIMEM.SYS DEVICE=C:\windows\emm386.exe frame=d000 x=b000-caff ram 512 DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDSS01.SYS /S0=2 DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDOSCS.SYS /W DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C000-CAFF DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\$ICPMDOS.SYS DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.SYS C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.INI devicehigh=c:\dos\power.exe I don't know what the /W switch does when loading the card services driver. [ Actually the PCMCIA drivers don't load high since I don't have enough upper memory available. In theory I could trim some more high memory but this works for now. ] My autoexec.bat has megahz s2c2 This is the IBM faxmodem driver, supposedly hacked by Megahertz. I got it off the Megahertz BBS. +1 801 320-8840. EasyPlay doesn't seem to know that the card is a modem, but the modem still works fine. I don't have the EasyPlay docs 'cuz they aren't on the IBM BBS, don't seem to be available for FTP, and I don't have a Compuserve account. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 1 20:54:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07263 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 1 Mar 1994 20:54:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA23025; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 21:30:05 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 21:30:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from pinyon.libre.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA22996; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 21:30:01 -0500 Received: from localhost (flyer@localhost) by pinyon.libre.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) id TAA07637; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 19:22:09 -0700 Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1994 19:17:52 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Gross Subject: PCMCIA Modem fault To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I am using an IBM High Speed PCMCIA Modem. If I enter the hibernation mode, the modem is not useable upon resuming operation. If I enter the suspend mode, the PC Card power light above the keyboard extinguishes, indicating no power to the PC Card. The modem will still operate. Any Comments? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 1 21:17:14 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15616 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 1 Mar 1994 21:17:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA24914; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 21:55:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 21:55:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA24901; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 21:55:37 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id VAA16249; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 21:46:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199403020246.VAA16249@wilma.cs.utk.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: netbsd 0.9 on a thinkpad 750 -- status report From: Keith Moore Date: Tue, 01 Mar 1994 21:46:21 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Well, I've finally given up on Linux and installed NetBSD 0.9 on my TP750. It took a bit of hacking to get it running -- mostly fixing the bootstrap code and kernel to work with the 2.88 Mb floppy. Also the keyboard handling code. At present I have the system running, but X windows doesn't work (problems with the ps/2 mouse driver). Also, for now I'm using an old WD8003E ethernet card in the Dock 1, because I haven't gotten my pcmcia ethernet driver working yet on NetBSD. Has anyone else here heard of someone running NetBSD on a TP750? ------------ The list has grown a bit, so I'll renew my request for good technical information on this beast. The TP750 tech ref manual mostly lists connector pinouts and voltages -- nothing that you need to program the thing. It's been really difficult to get information out of IBM's help line. Things I'd like to know about: 1. what's different about the floppy drive? what gap values, etc, are used for 2.88 Mb drives, and why does the drive change line act differently? 2. what does the power switch do? under linux, it didn't work at all. (does it generate a keyboard scan code or something?) 3. how do I read the battery capacity froma program? 4. how do I slow down/speed up the cpu from the kernel? 5. how can I turn the display backlight off/on? 6. how to switch (from a program) between internal and external display? 7. How do I tell the serial port to be a com1/com2/whatever? (are there POS registers? same as for a TP720, or different?) 8. How do I program the SCSI controller in a dock 1. Is it compatible with any ISA bus card? 9. how do I program the sound ports? somebody told me that the tp750 uses an AD1848K chip, can anyone confirm? The tp750's i/o address map lists 4 blocks of 16 registers each to access the audio subsystem, but the AD1848K chip only has 4 registers total. I gather that the audio subsystem can be mapped into i/o space at any of the four locations: 0x30-0x3f, 0x4e30-0x4e3f, 0x8e30-0x8e3f, and 0xce30-0xce3f. How does one set or change which of these is used? Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 1 22:43:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16975 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 1 Mar 1994 22:43:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id XAA29639; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 23:11:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 23:11:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id XAA29632; Tue, 1 Mar 1994 23:11:53 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15460; Tue, 1 Mar 94 20:11:56 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12031; Tue, 1 Mar 94 13:46:47 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA12948; Mon, 28 Feb 1994 19:04:30 +0800 Date: Mon, 28 Feb 1994 19:04:30 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9403010304.AA12948@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: James_Grant@novell.com Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Num Lock Off In-Reply-To: <9402282240.AA04767@stealth.test.NPD.Provo.Novell.COM> References: <9402282240.AA04767@stealth.test.NPD.Provo.Novell.COM> Status: OR > Is there a way to set Num Lock to off other than by using a DOS command? Try any of these from oak.oakland.edu:/pub/msdos/keyboard kbreset.zip B 407 871129 Reset keyboard capslock & numlock to off lock-off.zip B 953 890419 Turn off keyboard NumLock/ScrollLock/CapsLock locks.zip B 3748 901231 Pgms to set/change Caps, Num or Scroll locks num-off.asm A 413 880510 Turn numlock off numlock.zip B 9479 870413 Enable NUMLOCK key from batch file or DOS toggle.zip B 1809 880223 Turns on/off Caps, Num & Scroll Lock togkey.zip B 4666 880124 Turn Ctrl, other keys to toggles There are probably more but why look? :-) ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 2 09:09:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07941 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 09:09:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA17926; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 09:41:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 09:41:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uu9.psi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA17908; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 09:41:47 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP by uu9.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA22110 for ; Wed, 2 Mar 94 09:31:27 -0500 Received: by channel1 (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id E179DC; Wed, 2 Mar 94 09:05:05 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Microsoft Dos 6.2 From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.315116.700.0CE179DC@channel1.com> Date: Wed, 2 Mar 94 07:54:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1 Communications Status: OR Subject: Microsoft Dos 6.2 Greetings.... I hope this doesn't sound like a ridiculous question, but, must I have IBM Dos as an Operating system on the 750c? Or, can I use Microsoft Dos 6.2? How does the installation take place...do I delete IBM Dos and reboot the system with Microsoft Dos 6.2 diskette in the drive? Thanks, Joseph From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 2 09:35:17 1994 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17384 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 09:35:15 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18663 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 06:10:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id GAA04941; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 06:45:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 06:45:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id GAA04927; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 06:45:06 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27882; Wed, 2 Mar 94 03:45:11 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19036; Wed, 2 Mar 94 03:44:06 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA14168; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 03:44:52 +0800 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 03:44:52 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9403021144.AA14168@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Using QEMM on the tp750 (from Quarterdeck) Status: OR Just found this on qdeck.com's FTP area. ..bob ID:TH IBM's Thinkpad 750/750C and QEMM Quarterdeck Technical Note #198 Filename: THINKP.TEC by Tom Bortels CompuServe: THINKP.TEC Last revised: 02/08/94 Category: HW Subject: How to configure QEMM for IBM's Thinkpad computers. Here are the recommended QEMM 7 settings for IBM Thinkpad 750/750C problems. These recommendations may also apply to other computers in the Thinkpad family. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Problem: Adding the RAM parameter to my QEMM386.SYS line in my CONFIG.SYS causes my Thinkpad to hang after 10-15 seconds. Solution: Add XBDA:L to the QEMM386.SYS line Explanation: The eXtended BIOS Data Area (XBDA) is a data area normally located at the top of conventional memory, just below the 640K mark. This memory is used to hold BIOS-specific information. By default, QEMM will relocate this XBDA, reclaiming the conventional memory it uses and allowing programs such as VIDRAM to extend conventional memory past 640K. On the Thinkpad, this relocation can result in a crash when the Thinkpad operating system writes data intended for the XBDA into the wrong place. Using the XBDA:L parameter will solve this problem, by telling QEMM to move the XBDA to low conventional memory. The only drawback to using XBDA:L is the loss of 1K of conventional memory. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Problem: Sometimes QEMM can't tell what addresses the Thinkpad PCMCIA card is using. Symptoms of this are trouble loading programs high, and hangs or odd behavior by TSRs/Device-drivers or the PCMCIA cards themselves. Solution: Exclude the upper memory range where the PCMCIA card is mapped. The address range should be very easy to find, because a properly configured PCMCIA card should have a line in your CONFIG.SYS file that specifies the correct address. See the explanation below. Explanation: The Thinkpad includes slots for PCMCIA cards; these cards will take up up from 0 to 64K of upper memory addressing space, which must be eXcluded from QEMM's use. There is no guarantee that QEMM's autodetection will see the region. If your PCMCIA card is properly configured, there should be a line in your CONFIG.SYS that loads a driver called DICRMU01.SYS; this driver is the resource map utility, which tells the adapter card (among other things) what area of memory it is to use. Check that line for a /MA= parameter; this parameter will be followed by the ranges of memory to exclude with the X= parameter on the QEMM386.SYS line. An example will best illustrate how to do this: If your CONFIG.SYS file has a DICRMU01.SYS line with /MA=D000-D3FF, you would need to add X=D000-D3FF to the end of your QEMM386.SYS device line in your CONFIG.SYS file. Some information on the DICRMU01.SYS driver and on using PCMCIA adapter cards with software EMS providers such as QEMM can be found on pages 2-13 of the IBM Thinkpad 750/750C user's guide. For further information: The QEMM Analysis procedure will help you if you need to confirm what addresses need to be excluded because your hardware is using them. It is discussed in Appendix A of the QEMM manual, under the heading, "Solving a memory conflict with the Analysis procedure." The general technote TROUBLE.TEC is a useful source of other problem-solving suggestions; most QEMM users have a copy of TROUBLE.TEC in the TECHNOTE subdirectory. ************************************************************************ *This technical note may be copied and distributed freely as long as it* *is distributed in its entirety and it is not distributed for profit. * * Copyright (C) 1994 by Quarterdeck Office Systems * ************************ E N D O F F I L E ************************* From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 2 12:07:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20751 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 12:07:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA03283; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 12:40:13 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 12:40:12 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.cs.hmc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA03276; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 12:40:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199403021740.MAA03276@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Microsoft Dos 6.2 To: Joseph Pereira Date: Wed, 2 Mar 94 9:40:04 PST From: "John H. Kim" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <40.315116.700.0CE179DC@channel1.com>; from "Joseph Pereira" at Mar 2, 94 7:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > Greetings.... > I hope this doesn't sound like a ridiculous question, but, must I have > IBM Dos as an Operating system on the 750c? > > Or, can I use Microsoft Dos 6.2? My friend tried it on a TP350 and ran into EMM386 problems and hangs, even with a config.sys/autoexec.bat identical to the one he was using under IBM-DOS 6.1. That the autoexec.bat was identical didn't really matter since I traced the hang to the config.sys. Sorry, I don't remember where although I know there were problems with EMM386. > How does the installation take place...do I delete IBM Dos and reboot the > system with Microsoft Dos 6.2 diskette in the drive? Leave IBM DOS there and install MS-DOS 6.2. It'll put IBM DOS in an Old DOS directory, which lets you restore it if anything goes wrong. When installing 6.2, it'll ask you for a formatted diskette to put some backup info on. Make sure you do this. That way if you run across the same problems I did and can't figure it out, you can go back to IBM DOS. If you want to move to 6.2 for the disk doubler app (or whatever it's called, the thing that works like Stacker), you might have missed some recent news. Stacker won its lawsuit against Microsoft, and Microsoft failed to get a delay, so effective immediately Microsoft has removed disk doubler from all new DOS 6.2 packages (the old ones in the stores are unchanged). I don't know what this means in terms of support for disk doubler in the future. The usual procedure is for Microsoft to pay the fine ($120 million, more than 3 times as much as Stacker made two years ago), then negotiate a deal with Stacker to use the patent, then put disk doubler back. You could see a price increase though to help cover the extra cost. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 2 12:30:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02043 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 12:30:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA04353; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 12:55:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 12:55:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from bos1a.delphi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA04345; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 12:55:19 -0500 From: Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #6311) id <01H9HWLD2JSG8ZIPLF@delphi.com>; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 12:54:45 EST Date: Wed, 02 Mar 1994 12:54:45 -0500 (EST) Subject: New subscriber To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <01H9HWLD2JSI8ZIPLF@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: INTERNET"TP750@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR I recently acquired a 750C. Added 16Meg for total 20meg ram & am using a Maxtor 250 meg 2.5" notebook drive (inside the original 170 meg drive's case). I also picked up the Dock I with CDROM II. I am running OS 2.1 (just added CSD for ver 2.11). In general I am thrilled with the machine, but have a few complaints. Maybe someone has some solutions... 1) $1299 price for 340 meg IBM drive. Any 3rd party vendors for hardisk drives for ThinkPad? I'd like to get larger than 340 meg but someone at IBM said the bios wouldn't support that. Is this a fact? 2) Audio driver for virtual Dos windows is kind of lame. I get machine hangs and fatal errors in the TPAUDD driver. Is there a better driver in the works? 3) After the CSD install PMComm video gets screwed and my PCMCIA modem will no longer connect reliably. Also I have to load the com.sys driver before pcmcia.sys to get the modem to respond at all even though the readme with the CSD says to load it after. All and all a great machine.... -Teresa From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 2 13:56:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11476 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 13:56:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA09689; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:17:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:17:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.cs.hmc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA09679; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:16:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199403021916.OAA09679@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: New subscriber To: TERESASELLIN@delphi.com Date: Wed, 2 Mar 94 11:16:32 PST From: "John H. Kim" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: ; from "TERESASELLIN@delphi.com" at Mar 2, 94 12:54 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > I recently acquired a 750C. Added 16Meg for total 20meg ram & am > using a Maxtor 250 meg 2.5" notebook drive (inside the original > 170 meg drive's case). Nice to know this can be done. Did IBM give you any ideas how one might go about getting another case so you can still use the 170 meg drive? I couldn't get the tech people to believe that the case was just a housing around a real hard drive. Anything you had to be careful about when opening the case? Any settings you had to change? > In general I am thrilled with the machine, but have a few complaints. > Maybe someone has some solutions... > > 1) $1299 price for 340 meg IBM drive. Any 3rd party vendors for > hardisk drives for ThinkPad? I'd like to get larger than 340 meg > but someone at IBM said the bios wouldn't support that. Is > this a fact? Actualy, does anything anything about this bios? Somebody on this list bought the tech manual. Does that include any info on the bios? And last time I asked, there weren't any 3rd party hard drives that were Thinkpad Approved. Are you having any problems with the Maxtor? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 2 14:09:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17610 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:09:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA11876; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:44:54 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:44:52 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA11848; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:44:45 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA21668; Wed, 2 Mar 94 14:44:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 94 14:44:40 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403021944.AA21668@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@jarthur.NYU.EDU, joseph.pereira@channel1.com Subject: Re: Microsoft Dos 6.2 Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR If you must use MS DOS 6.2, perhaps the best approach would be to avoid using EMM, and instead use QEMM with the special TP750 fixes as clearly documented by Quarterdeck. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 2 14:21:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23835 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:21:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA12777; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:55:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:55:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA12739; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:55:17 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id OAA19889; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:45:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199403021945.OAA19889@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: "John H. Kim" Cc: TERESASELLIN@delphi.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: New subscriber In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 02 Mar 1994 11:16:32 PST." <199403021916.OAA09679@CS.UTK.EDU> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 1994 14:45:57 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > Actualy, does anything anything about this bios? Somebody on this list > bought the tech manual. Does that include any info on the bios? there's nothing at all in the tech ref manual about the bios. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 2 14:23:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24518 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:23:16 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA12190; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:49:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:49:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA12183; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 14:49:11 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21670; Wed, 2 Mar 94 11:42:47 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17040; Wed, 2 Mar 94 11:41:44 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA14318; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 11:42:21 +0800 Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 11:42:21 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9403021942.AA14318@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: TERESASELLIN@delphi.com Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: New subscriber In-Reply-To: <01H9HWLD2JSI8ZIPLF@delphi.com> References: <01H9HWLD2JSI8ZIPLF@delphi.com> Status: OR > I'd like to get larger than 340 meg but someone at IBM said the bios > wouldn't support that. Is this a fact? I'd be surprised. The TP BIOS probably has the same limit as any other BIOS - just over 500 MB. I know IBM has a 500+ MB drive coming out very soon, but don't know anything about pricing. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 2 15:00:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12717 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 15:00:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA16141; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 15:34:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 15:34:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from genesis.ait.psu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA16134; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 15:34:15 -0500 Received: from [128.118.73.39] (ppp39.cac.psu.edu) by genesis.ait.psu.edu with SMTP id AA03506 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 15:34:01 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 15:34:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Rick Andrew" Sender: wpa@psu.edu Message-Id: <56059.wpa@email.psu.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Microsoft Dos 6.2 Status: OR In message Wed, 2 Mar 94 07:54:00 -0500, joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) writes: > Subject: Microsoft Dos 6.2 > > Greetings.... > I hope this doesn't sound like a ridiculous question, but, must I have > IBM Dos as an Operating system on the 750c? > > Or, can I use Microsoft Dos 6.2? I have been using MS Dos 6.2 since I got my 750C with no problems (and better memory management!) > > How does the installation take place...do I delete IBM Dos and reboot the > system with Microsoft Dos 6.2 diskette in the drive? I just installed MS Dos 6.2 over the PC Dos 6.1 which was already installed. The installer program just treats it as an upgrade of an earlier version of Dos. One problem now, of course, is that no one knows what the compression program will be in Dos 6.21 (if you have not already purchased Dos 6.2. *********************************************************************** Rick Andrew WPA@psu.edu Asst Prof of HRI Finance WPA@psuvm.psu.edu Penn State Univ 814-863-0272 University Park, Pa. *********************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 2 18:30:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15346 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 18:30:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA01655; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 19:06:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 19:06:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA01646; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 19:06:00 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA06700 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 18:05:48 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403030005.AA06700@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: New PCMCIA drivers & MegaHertz modem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 18:05:47 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <24030118241845@vms.macc.wisc.edu> from "Chris Schumann" at Mar 1, 94 06:23:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Well, I got the new PCMCIA drivers from IBM, Are you talking about the EasyPlay drivers? > me REMOVE one of those four gizmos in the config.sys. Which one? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 2 18:30:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15409 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 18:30:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA01715; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 19:08:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 19:08:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA01708; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 19:08:28 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA07588 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 18:08:19 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403030008.AA07588@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: PCMCIA Modem fault To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 18:08:18 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Steve Gross" at Mar 1, 94 07:17:38 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I am using an IBM High Speed PCMCIA Modem. If I enter the hibernation > mode, the modem is not useable upon resuming operation. It seems that most people have found hibernation to be rather flaky. Maybe a future version will make it more feasible but, for now, it seems rather silly since it takes so long and so much space... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 2 18:47:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21112 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 18:47:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA01938; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 19:13:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 19:13:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA01931; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 19:13:46 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA09310 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 18:13:37 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403030013.AA09310@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Microsoft Dos 6.2 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 18:13:36 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <40.315116.700.0CE179DC@channel1.com> from "Joseph Pereira" at Mar 2, 94 07:53:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I hope this doesn't sound like a ridiculous question, but, must I have > IBM Dos as an Operating system on the 750c? There is nothing about the TP750 that makes IBM DOS as a necessary OS. Many (most?) of us run OS/2 -- yes, that may be an IBM OS but it couldn't be further from DOS. You'll only run into problems if you try UNIX-y OS (except SCO). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 2 18:49:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21882 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 18:49:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA02314; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 19:20:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 19:20:56 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA02307; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 19:20:53 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA11841 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 18:20:43 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403030020.AA11841@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: General info To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 18:20:42 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <01H9HWLD2JSI8ZIPLF@delphi.com> from "TERESASELLIN@delphi.com" at Mar 2, 94 12:54:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > 1) $1299 price for 340 meg IBM drive. Any 3rd party vendors for > hardisk drives for ThinkPad? I'd like to get larger than 340 meg > but someone at IBM said the bios wouldn't support that. Is > this a fact? Well, if you've managed to get that Maxtor to run with it, why wouldn't you just try a larger Maxtor? I don't know if the BIOS max is true but I do know that there are larger drives available for notebook now (I've seen 540s in PCMag). > 2) Audio driver for virtual Dos windows is kind of lame. I get > machine hangs and fatal errors in the TPAUDD driver. Is there > a better driver in the works? You don't need to load TPAUDD in a DOS window under OS/2. It automatically virtualizes it as long as you've properly installed the audio drivers. If you don't have the OS/2 drivers, you should get them via IBM NSC BBS (because it'll take forever for IBM to send them to you). > 3) After the CSD install PMComm video gets screwed and my PCMCIA > modem will no longer connect reliably. Also I have to load the > com.sys driver before pcmcia.sys to get the modem to respond at > all even though the readme with the CSD says to load it after. Any other problems with the CSD? Also, are you using EasyPlay? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 2 18:51:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22501 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 18:51:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA02386; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 19:22:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 19:22:50 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA02379; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 19:22:48 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA12557 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 18:22:39 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403030022.AA12557@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Limits and IBM Prices To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 2 Mar 1994 18:22:38 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9403021942.AA14318@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> from "Bob Page" at Mar 2, 94 11:42:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I know IBM has a 500+ MB drive coming out very soon, but don't know > anything about pricing. I'm afraid to see the pricing! You think they'd be more reasonably priced with accessories -- I mean a 2400 baud PCMCIA modem for $300? Get serious... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 2 20:31:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25587 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 20:31:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA07861; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 20:50:13 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 20:50:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA07845; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 20:50:09 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8c-UTK) id UAA20280; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 20:40:53 -0500 Message-Id: <199403030140.UAA20280@wilma.cs.utk.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: NetBSD on a TP750 update Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU From: Keith Moore Date: Wed, 02 Mar 1994 20:40:52 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Okay, I now have NetBSD 0.9 running on my ThinkPad 750. It even runs X (in monochrome mode, at least ... I don't have a color display!) Changes I had to make: 1. boot block needed to be hacked to deal with a "type 6" (2.88 Mb) drive 2. same for kernel floppy driver. in both cases the code currently treats the drive like a 1.44 Mb drive (no 2.88 Mb capability yet!) 3. kernel keyboard/console driver: don't reset the keyboard controller when booting. if you do it spits out different scan codes than the kernel expects to see. 4. installed a different mouse driver that I got from someone on the net. had to hack it a bit because the code to recognize a normal ps/2 mouse doesn't work on the thinkpad. Not too bad, really. I'm still working on pcmcia ethernet support, and modem support after that. Then maybe sound and SCSI, if I can find out what bits to twiddle. (If you know where I can get good tech info on this beast, send me email!) Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 2 22:55:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09727 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Mar 1994 22:54:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA20998; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 22:49:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 22:49:43 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from bos3a.delphi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA20965; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 22:49:38 -0500 From: Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #6311) id <01H9IDTRA3AO9LV07Z@delphi.com>; Wed, 2 Mar 1994 21:03:01 EST Date: Wed, 02 Mar 1994 21:03:01 -0500 (EST) Subject: RE:3rd party hard drives for TP750 series To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <01H9IDTRAMKY9LV07Z@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: INTERNET"tp750@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR Since I mentioned I have a Maxtor 250 meg hard disk working in my 750C quite a few have mentioned they don't see why I can't just upgrade to a larger disk from anyone. The problem is that there isn't any way that I can see to set drive parameters. The Thinkpad seems to query the drive and sets the parameters on its own. I don't know if there are only a few drives that work or if it can use any drive. Since I purchased the 750C used with the Maxtor drive, there was no risk since it was already working with it. But I'd rather not spend xx dollars for a hard disk that doesn't work in the 750 series. Has anyone else out there tried other than IBM hard disks in their 750/C/Cs? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 3 10:42:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21604 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Mar 1994 10:41:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA06157; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 11:09:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 11:09:09 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from austin.wireline.slb.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA06148; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 11:09:05 -0500 From: Received: from bartles (BARTLES.AUSTIN.WIRELINE.SLB.COM) by austin.wireline.slb.com (4.1/relay.931202a) id AA18118; Thu, 3 Mar 94 10:04:56 CST Received: by bartles (4.1/client.nfs.930922a) id AA01497; Thu, 3 Mar 94 10:08:29 CST Date: Thu, 3 Mar 94 10:08:29 CST Message-Id: <9403031608.AA01497@bartles> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: byrne@austin.wireline.slb.com Subject: Just got my 750C; have network question Status: OR Greetings all. I've been monitoring the mailing list for a while, and I (finally!) got my 750C. Actually, I had given up on getting one and had ordered a different machine, then wonder-of-wonders, I found one via internal company transfer. What luck. The machine is a pretty standard config, 170 mbyte disk, 4 mbyte mem. I've successfully loadad MS-DOS 6.2 on it (someone had asked about this a few days back). I'm running Windows 3.1 and plan to load Windows for Workgroups on it to allow connecting to a rather large Windows NT network. I'm also planning to load a TCP/IP stack on it to connect to our Unix/Corporate environment. I'm waiting on the new 19.2 Megahertz PCMCIA card before installing a modem. With the transfer, I got an IBM Ethernet PCMCIA card, but I'm stumped at the moment on how to use it with either Windows(WFW) or with any TCP/IP stacks. The drivers that came with it do not appear to support either. Are drivers available somewhere? Am I just looking for the wrong thing on the installation floppy? Or will this just not work. Is there a different/better ethernet card for my needs? Any comments or suggestions on my network driver dilima, or my plans for WFW and TCP/IP will be appreciated. Thanks, Wes Byrne Schlumberger Austin Systems Center P.S. - regarding the battery survey, my machine ran about three hours last night on a full battery charge with heavy disk use (installing software). I'll do a more rigorous test for the survey as time permits. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 3 17:28:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10987 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Mar 1994 17:28:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA05734; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 17:57:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 17:57:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA05727; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 17:57:20 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwfrn08339; Thu, 3 Mar 94 17:57:13 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11146; Thu, 3 Mar 94 14:46:45 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA12908; Thu, 3 Mar 94 14:56:56 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14087; Thu, 3 Mar 94 14:56:03 PST Date: Thu, 3 Mar 94 14:56:03 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9403032256.AA14087@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Got mine too! Status: OR Finally, after a two month wait I'm the proud owner of a 750C/340. About all I've done so far is unwrap the thing and verify it works. I'm not going to be able to do much more than that with 4 Mb, so if anyone has any recent prices, recommendations, or even vendor horror stories about 8 Mb memory cards they would like to share with me I'd be happy to hear them. I'm also in the market for an AT&T KIT modem, so good prices tips on that is also appreciated. I'm sure I'll be firing some "how do I make this work with EasyPlay" questions at you all in coming weeks. I know this stuff has been asked 100 times already, so I apologize in advance for the repetition. Maybe now I can move out of lurker status. . . --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 3 17:46:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17904 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Mar 1994 17:46:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA07204; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 18:18:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 18:18:50 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from epas.utoronto.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA07197; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 18:18:42 -0500 Received: by epas.utoronto.ca (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA16170; Thu, 3 Mar 94 18:18:41 -0500 From: jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca (James Cummings) Message-Id: <9403032318.AA16170@epas.utoronto.ca> Subject: Hello; WordPerfect 6.0; Dos. To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 18:18:41 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Hi there, I got on the list a little while ago, but hadn't had a chance to post yet. But now I've got a question, so am pressured into even though I'm short of time at the moment. Anyways....I have a tp 750 (yes mono *sigh*), with 4M Ram and a 340 Meg HD. I love it! It suits exactly the thigs I want to do. (Lots of library research, travel, etc.) ... I normally run it plugged in, so haven't had a chance to test just running on battery power. Oh yes, I also have the model two (no extra PCMCIA) Port Replicator for external monitor etc. Now, I'm currenlty running IBM Dos 6.1 , After reading someof the posts, I'm going to switch back to MS-Dos 6.2 .. I seem to have a lot of problems with IBM Dos 6.1 My problem currently is with WordPerfect 6.0 Not always, but sometime when I start it I get the error (I believe from dos) "Internal Stack Overflow" "System Shutdown". Now, the problem seems simple right? Just increase the amount of the STACKS setting in the config.sys right? Well... I tried that.. doesn't seem to help. I think it might involve a memory conflict of some sort since if I use the /ne switch with wp (to tell it I have no expanded memory) it loads. ... sometimes. It's the flakiness of it that is bothering me. Any suggestions? Am I missing something obvious? Does anyone actually use the Hibernation function? I use suspend and standby every once and awhile.... But otherwise... -James Cummings jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca | 1994: Official Year of The Toronto Free-Net. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 3 18:40:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07342 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Mar 1994 18:40:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA10054; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 19:15:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 19:15:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from vms.macc.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA10039; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 19:15:30 -0500 Received: from VMSmail by vms.macc.wisc.edu; Thu, 03 Mar 94 18:15 CDT Message-Id: <24030318150659@vms.macc.wisc.edu> Date: Thu, 03 Mar 94 18:15 CDT From: Chris Schumann Subject: EasyPlay and ctrl-alt-del... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Vms-To: IN%"tp750@cs.utk.edu" Status: OR First, WHAT IS EASYPLAY? next, If I press ctrl-alt-del in Windoze (why would I want to do that? NEVER MIND! I just do! Ok... mainly it's to see if this machine works like every other PC I use. anyway...) I get the normal "blue" screen. (I think it's blue on my monochrome screen [shouldn't that be monohue? shut up...]) Then, which every option I pick (ESC, Return or CTRL-ALT-DEL) if waits 10-15 seconds before doing anything. AND, if I had pressed ctrl-alt-del again, after waiting it politely returns me to windows, right back into the mess I wanted to get out of! PC Direct told me to switch to the VGA drivers. This is unacceptable due to its 16-color limit. (I want ALL my grays.) Anyone else have this problem? Anyone solved this problem? chris From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 3 19:02:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15118 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Mar 1994 19:02:25 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA11236; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 19:32:20 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 19:32:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA11227; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 19:32:15 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15262; Thu, 3 Mar 94 16:32:16 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13945; Thu, 3 Mar 94 16:31:22 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01048; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 16:31:14 +0800 Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 16:31:14 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9403040031.AA01048@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: SCHUMANN@macc.wisc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: EasyPlay and ctrl-alt-del... In-Reply-To: <24030318150659@vms.macc.wisc.edu> References: <24030318150659@vms.macc.wisc.edu> Status: OR EasyPlay (actually it's "EasyPlaying" because it was obviously done by non-native English speakers) is the name of the IBM PCMCIA support stuff. I also see some strangeness with the CTRL/Alt/Del problem you mentioned, using the VESA driver, on a 750C. But only when doing it from inside a DOS box. Everything else seems normal. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 3 20:04:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03762 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Mar 1994 20:04:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA15161; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 20:38:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 20:38:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA15153; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 20:38:55 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01835; Thu, 3 Mar 94 17:39:00 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20982; Thu, 3 Mar 94 17:38:07 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01196; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 17:37:56 +0800 Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 17:37:56 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9403040137.AA01196@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: battery weirdness Status: OR I always run at high speed, and close the LCD when I'm not using the laptop (to put it into suspend mode). An hour ago my battery read 1:40 left, which I believed. Just now I look at the lights through (the closed LCD) and noticed some strange blinking, so I opened the display. Now it reads 3:20 left. Huh? Oh well. Anyway, lately I've been having a weird problem. I have two batteries, and I discharge/charge one every night (I have an IBM quick charger), so I have a fresh battery every day. When one battery gets low enough that I get the "10 minute warning", I flip up the keyboard and swap out the old battery for the fresh one. I usually only have to do this once a day because of my habit of keeping the display closed when not using the machine, even for a couple of minutes. Lately, in the past 2-3 days, when I replace tha battery and put the keyboard back, the system shuts down and doesn't resume. I need to push the power switch to get it back on, and it does a cold boot. I thought the internal NiCad battery (under the floppy drive) supplied power to the system when the main battery was removed. If so, it doesn't seem to be doing its job. I wonder if this might be symptomatic of a NiCad failure? I have had the system off AC for over a week now, running exclusively on batteries. I assumed the NiCad would discharge/charge off the NiMH battery, but perhaps it only gets its juice from the AC? ..bob PS Between the time I started typing this and now (about 10 minutes), I left the system on (LCD up) and my battery went from 3:20 to 1:40. I suspect it will be at 1:00 in a few more minutes, which is what I'd expect. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 3 20:26:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09542 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Mar 1994 20:26:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA16884; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 21:04:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 21:04:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA16877; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 21:04:54 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06825; Thu, 3 Mar 94 18:04:59 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23208; Thu, 3 Mar 94 18:04:05 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01231; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 18:03:56 +0800 Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 18:03:56 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9403040203.AA01231@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: speaker indicator Status: OR I used the ps2win program ("ThinkPad Features") to disable the leftmost blinking light when the speaker sounds. At least I tried to. The light still blinks. I notice the DOS ps2 program (menu interface) doesn't even have the option. Does your speaker indicator blink when you tell it not to? ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 3 21:10:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22740 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Mar 1994 21:10:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA19760; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 21:44:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 21:44:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.cs.hmc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA19752; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 21:44:41 -0500 Message-Id: <199403040244.VAA19752@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Got mine too! To: Bruce Reed Date: Thu, 3 Mar 94 18:44:27 PST From: "John H. Kim" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9403032256.AA14087@opus.objy.com>; from "Bruce Reed" at Mar 3, 94 2:56 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > I'm also in the market for an AT&T KIT modem, so good prices tips on that > is also appreciated. ftp sparco.com cd sparco look for a directory named 'modem' or 'modems' and get the price list in there. I got mine for $285. Ordering information is available there too. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 3 21:28:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28321 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Mar 1994 21:28:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA21215; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 22:02:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 22:02:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA21208; Thu, 3 Mar 1994 22:02:23 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA20283 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 3 Mar 1994 21:02:13 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403040302.AA20283@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Got mine too! To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 3 Mar 1994 21:02:12 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9403032256.AA14087@opus.objy.com> from "Bruce Reed" at Mar 3, 94 02:55:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR First off, congratulations to all the people who have patiently awaited for their TP750s and finally received it. I hope that you all find this list very helpful... > to be able to do much more than that with 4 Mb, so if anyone has any recent > prices, recommendations, or even vendor horror stories about 8 Mb memory > cards they would like to share with me I'd be happy to hear them. I'm > also in the market for an AT&T KIT modem, so good prices tips on that is Well, I can't help much on the RAM but it seems most people have been satisfied with theirs. I just would recommend that you don't get a EXP card, if possible. The best prices for the AT&T KIT modem is ~$289 at Sparco. FTP them at sparco.com. Great company really.. > > I'm sure I'll be firing some "how do I make this work with EasyPlay" questions > at you all in coming weeks. I know this stuff has been asked 100 times already, Well, hopefully, I'll have that in the FAQ which I can finally wok up over the break. And to all you who are professors, you should be ashamed of yourselves for keeping me so occupied! :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 4 07:58:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11374 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 07:58:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA12173; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 08:28:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 08:28:19 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hk.super.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA12166; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 08:28:16 -0500 Received: by hk.super.net id AA18985 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 21:28:18 +0800 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 21:28:18 +0800 From: "Mr. Tony K Ng" Message-Id: <199403041328.AA18985@hk.super.net> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Hi all TP750 users, I am a new member and would like to introduce myself. My name is Tony Ng. I just graduated from University of Wisconsin-Madison and is living in Hong Kong now. I bought TP750C for my personal use. And its configuration is as follows: 1. 4M RAM 2. 340M HD 3. IBM DOS6.1/Windows3.1/Chinese Windows 3.1 4. Megahertz XJ1144 PCMCIA Modem Now, I got my first questions: 1. The Megahertz modem works well with my TP except that the computer would not resume on PC Card incoming call. I am not using the provided PCMCIA drivers, but only the one provided by Megahertz which is only a command executed in c:\autoexec.bat. Can anyone out there help me out? 2. I can not record anything. I used a walkman MIC and windows' recording software. But it seems like it does read anything. Do you have any experience on this? 3. I am thinking about installing OS/2.1 but only got 4M RAM. Does any of you know where I can buy a 8M RAM card at a low price? Or would you recommend me to use 8M PCMCIA RAM? 4. Is the 486SL/33 upgradable? (e.g. 486DX2) Thank you very much for your time. Look forward to hearing from you! -Tony From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 4 08:59:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22052 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 08:59:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA15777; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 09:21:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 09:21:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from u.cc.utah.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA15767; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 09:21:43 -0500 Received: from localhost (pawcamp@localhost) by u.cc.utah.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5uucc-a) id HAA25122; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 07:21:41 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 07:18:25 -0700 (MST) From: Paul Campbell Subject: TP750 & Megahertz Modem To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199403041328.AA18985@hk.super.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I'd just like to take this opportunity to thank all of you who have bought our modems for use in your ThinkPad750 computer. If any of you ever need help regarding our modems, please feel free to say it here...I will be checking my mail everyday to make sure issues are resolved...thanks again! =pc= Paul W. Campbell pawcamp@u.cc.utah.edu Megahertz Corporation pwc@pine.cse.nau.edu Salt Lake City, UT pwc@ghost.cse.nau.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 4 09:25:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28612 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 09:25:35 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA18776; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 09:49:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 09:49:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from u.cc.utah.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA18768; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 09:49:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (pawcamp@localhost) by u.cc.utah.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5uucc-a) id HAA26705; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 07:49:17 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 07:33:00 -0700 (MST) From: Paul Campbell Subject: Re: your mail To: "Mr. Tony K Ng" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199403041328.AA18985@hk.super.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Fri, 4 Mar 1994, Mr. Tony K Ng wrote: > 4. Megahertz XJ1144 PCMCIA Modem > > Now, I got my first questions: > 1. The Megahertz modem works well with my TP except that > the computer would not resume on PC Card incoming call. > I am not using the provided PCMCIA drivers, but only > the one provided by Megahertz which is only a command > executed in c:\autoexec.bat. > Can anyone out there help me out? Tony: Here's what you can do: 1) Call the IBM BBS (919) 517-0001 2) Go to file area # 37 3) Download a file called "UT75012X.EXE" (It's a self-extracting file) 4) PLace the file in an empty sub-directory and extract it's contents (simple type "UT75012X" from the DOS prompt) 5) From the sub-directory you extracted the files, do the following command (assuming that A: is the drive you are copying to) : "LOADDSKF UT75012X.DSK A: " (Make sure that the disk you are copying to is blank) 6) Change to drive A: and type: "PCMINST.EXE" 7) After installation is complete your computer should now have hot-swap capabilities as well as having rest/resume working properly. If you encounter any other problems call Travis Hatch here at Megahertz at: 1-800-LAPTOPS, x-8541 tell him I referred you to him also... Good luck! Paul From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 4 09:58:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09547 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 09:58:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA21566; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 10:25:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 10:25:10 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA21529; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 10:24:59 -0500 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 6535; Fri, 04 Mar 94 10:08:10 EST Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 9489; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 10:08:10 EST Received: from ganga.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Fri, 04 Mar 94 10:08:07 EST Received: by ganga.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA27553; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 10:08:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 10:08:00 -0500 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9403041508.AA27553@ganga.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Sean Chou's message of Thu, 3 Mar 1994 21:02:12 -0600 (CST) <199403040302.AA20283@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: memory cards Status: OR > to be able to do much more than that with 4 Mb, so if anyone has any recent > prices, recommendations, or even vendor horror stories about 8 Mb memory > cards they would like to share with me I'd be happy to hear them. I recently bought an 8MB card from a company called First Source in California. I don't have the phone number handy, but they advertise in Computer Shopper. It cost $400 including FedEx shipping. The card is manufactured by a company called Paragon. I am very satisfied with it, and it doesn't seem to appreciably decrease my battery life. I will run a battery test with and without it when I get the chance. Also, the price I got is the lowest I've seen. --andy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 4 10:33:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22041 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 10:33:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA23555; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 10:53:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 10:53:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from austin.wireline.slb.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA23547; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 10:53:51 -0500 From: Received: from bartles (BARTLES.AUSTIN.WIRELINE.SLB.COM) by austin.wireline.slb.com (4.1/relay.931202a) id AA19800; Fri, 4 Mar 94 09:49:47 CST Received: by bartles (4.1/client.nfs.930922a) id AA07863; Fri, 4 Mar 94 09:53:19 CST Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 09:53:19 CST Message-Id: <9403041553.AA07863@bartles> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: bad pixels on the 750C... Status: OR I'm dropping a pixel a day on my 750C. When it arrived two days ago, it had one bad pixel in it that always shows green. The person I got it from (internal company transfer) said that there were no bad pixels when he shipped it to me. This morning, another went bad and now always shows red. Is this going to be a trend? Is anyone else experiencing similar pixel deaths? Do they ever come back? Is there something I might be doing that is causing this to happen? I understand that IBM allows three bad pixels before they consider the screen bad. If I end up with more than three, will they replace the screen? Thanks in advance, Wes Byrne Schlumberger Austin Systems Center From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 4 12:39:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10133 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 12:39:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA01005; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 12:29:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 12:29:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from EMAIL.STATE.UT.US by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA00948; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 12:29:22 -0500 From: Received: from STATE-DOMAIN-Message_Server by EMAIL.STATE.UT.US with WordPerfect_Office; Fri, 04 Mar 1994 10:29:31 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: WordPerfect Office 4.0 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 1994 10:29:00 -0700 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Introduction Status: OR Hello, My name is Dennis Trop, I am about to graduate from Computer Science at the University of Utah and currently work for the State of Utah, Information Technology Services. I am designing the state's WAN that reaches all points of the state. I have a 750CE w/ 12MB RAM, 340 MB HD, IBM TR Card, IBM Ethernet Card and IBM's Highspeed Data/FAX modem. Running IBM DOS 6.1, QEMM and Windows. The machine is great but boy it needs alot of conventional memory. Especially when you need expanded memory. Also running NetWare Connect for remote access. This looks really good so far. See above for only problem(memory). Dennis From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 4 13:08:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21395 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 13:08:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA03670; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 13:12:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 13:12:19 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from midway.uchicago.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA03655; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 13:12:14 -0500 Received: from gsbdwd.uchicago.edu by midway.uchicago.edu for tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri, 4 Mar 94 12:12:10 CST Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 12:12:10 CST Message-Id: <9403041812.AA13881@midway.uchicago.edu> X-Sender: dddd@midway.uchicago.edu To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: d-diamond@uchicago.edu (Doug Diamond) Subject: Re: Hello; WordPerfect 6.0; Dos. X-Mailer: Status: OR > My problem currently is with WordPerfect 6.0 Not always, but > sometime when I start it I get the error (I believe from dos) > "Internal Stack Overflow" "System Shutdown". > Any suggestions? Am I missing something obvious? > I don't know if this will fix your problem, but the TP750 has a problem with all of the rapid cursor features in DOS wp5.1 and wp6.0. It will sometimes hang the machine. You can start WP with "WP/nc" to get the normal cursor speed. When you get into WP, got to setup and turn off fast cursor. The default is 50cps, change it to "normal". > >-James Cummings >jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca | 1994: Official Year of The Toronto Free-Net. > > > Douglas W. Diamond University of Chicago d-diamond@uchicago.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 4 14:20:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18487 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 14:20:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA07380; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 14:14:17 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 14:14:14 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from austin.wireline.slb.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA07373; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 14:14:11 -0500 From: Received: from bartles (BARTLES.AUSTIN.WIRELINE.SLB.COM) by austin.wireline.slb.com (4.1/relay.931202a) id AA27139; Fri, 4 Mar 94 13:10:07 CST Received: by bartles (4.1/client.nfs.930922a) id AA08568; Fri, 4 Mar 94 13:13:39 CST Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 13:13:39 CST Message-Id: <9403041913.AA08568@bartles> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 750C Trackpoint drift... Status: OR I've noticed during the first few minutes after power up that my trackpoint drifts a bit after I take my finger off it. After a few minutes, this drift goes away. Is this normal? Perhaps it monitors the first few minutes and does a calibration to compensate for differences between the strain gauges (which is how I assume it is implemented)? I edited the autoexec.bat per the installation instructions to use the proper mouse driver. Does anyone else notice this? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 4 17:51:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17981 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 17:51:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA00137; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 18:15:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 18:15:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from vms.macc.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA00111; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 18:15:24 -0500 Received: from VMSmail by vms.macc.wisc.edu; Fri, 04 Mar 94 17:14 CDT Message-Id: <24030417145941@vms.macc.wisc.edu> Date: Fri, 04 Mar 94 17:14 CDT From: Chris Schumann Subject: Trackpoint drift To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Vms-To: IN%"tp750@cs.utk.edu" Status: OR I notice that the mouse will drift if I try to use the trackpoint while resuming from suspend mode. I does not go away until I re-suspend and re-resume. I think [byrne]'s problem is abnormal. Call your vendor. chris From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 4 18:07:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20331 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 18:06:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA01366; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 18:32:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 18:32:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA01337; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 18:31:26 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwfvi13170; Fri, 4 Mar 94 18:31:14 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14151; Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:20:39 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA08973; Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:30:54 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21417; Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:29:58 PST Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:29:58 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9403042329.AA21417@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Current price of 8 Mb card Status: OR Looks like memory has gone up again. I ended up buying the Paragon card from First Source for $415. That was still cheaper than the $435 and $452 prices I got from a couple of other vendors. --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 4 18:00:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19297 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 18:00:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA00855; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 18:25:11 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 18:25:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA00778; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 18:23:33 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwfvh10446; Fri, 4 Mar 94 18:21:42 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14111; Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:11:01 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA08930; Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:21:16 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21291; Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:20:19 PST Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 15:20:19 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9403042320.AA21291@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: DOOM and audio Status: OR A while back I remember folks discussing problems they had getting the audio support to work with DOOM. Did anyone ever figure this out? Under DOS, I'm loading the audio device driver supplied with the audio diskette and starting the svaudio.exe driver (I believe that's the name.) I've tried configuring music using both the SoundBlaster and AdLib options, but neither works (DOOM init fails trying to open audio device.) Any ideas? --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 4 19:41:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03202 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 19:41:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA06324; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 20:11:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 20:11:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc4.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA06315; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 20:11:44 -0500 From: Message-Id: <9403050111.AA23603@husc4.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: TP750 & Megahertz Modem To: Paul.Campbell@m.cc.utah.edu (Paul Campbell) Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 20:11:44 -0500 (EST) Cc: chan4@husc9.harvard.edu (Derek Victor Chan), tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Campbell" at Mar 4, 94 07:18:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Right...does the Megahertz now have 16550 UART emulation? Thanks. > > > I'd just like to take this opportunity to thank all of you who have bought > our modems for use in your ThinkPad750 computer. If any of you ever need > help regarding our modems, please feel free to say it here...I will be > checking my mail everyday to make sure issues are resolved...thanks again! > > =pc= > > > > Paul W. Campbell pawcamp@u.cc.utah.edu > Megahertz Corporation pwc@pine.cse.nau.edu > Salt Lake City, UT pwc@ghost.cse.nau.edu > > > > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 4 20:01:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05289 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 20:01:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA07590; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 20:30:20 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 20:30:19 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA07576; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 20:30:17 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15370; Fri, 4 Mar 94 17:30:23 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04439; Fri, 4 Mar 94 17:29:31 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02428; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 17:29:23 +0800 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 17:29:23 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9403050129.AA02428@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: battery weirdness In-Reply-To: <199403050105.RAA12509@aludra.usc.edu> References: <199403050105.RAA12509@aludra.usc.edu> <9403040137.AA01196@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> Status: OR Yesterday I mentioned that my machine wasn't recovering when I swapped out the battery for a new one. Randall Whittle hit the nail right on the head. The problem? I was swapping the battery *too quickly.* The solution is to lift the cover, WAIT for the TP to go into suspend mode, THEN swap out the batteries. I was just waiting for the LCD to go out, but it takes a couple extra seconds to really suspend. So - there's another thinkpad tidbit. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 4 20:55:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11829 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Mar 1994 20:55:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA10583; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 21:18:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 21:18:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.cs.hmc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA10576; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 21:18:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199403050218.VAA10576@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: DOOM and audio To: Bruce Reed Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 18:18:19 PST From: "John H. Kim" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9403042320.AA21291@opus.objy.com>; from "Bruce Reed" at Mar 4, 94 3:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > A while back I remember folks discussing problems they had getting the > audio support to work with DOOM. Did anyone ever figure this out? > Under DOS, I'm loading the audio device driver supplied with the audio > diskette and starting the svaudio.exe driver (I believe that's the name.) > I've tried configuring music using both the SoundBlaster and AdLib options, > but neither works (DOOM init fails trying to open audio device.) Any ideas? For what it's worth, the music works under OS/2 in a DOS box if you select the Adlib card. I don't think anybody has gotten the sound effects to work. I haven't gotten either music or sound effects to work under DOS. It's the first release of the audio emulator (even though the audio features is version 1.1) so I'm not surprised some games don't work. From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Sat Mar 5 00:31:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04499 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Mar 1994 00:31:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA12268; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 21:47:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 21:47:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from gwis.circ.gwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA12260; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 21:47:23 -0500 Received: from localhost (halinatr@localhost) by gwis.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id VAA14703; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 21:49:00 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 21:43:32 -0500 (EST) From: darren mccabe Subject: Am I a shmuck? To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Oooh boy. Am I the only one who keeps falling for this? I JUST ordered a 4mb ram expansion card from IBM PC direct, at like $500. Today I log on and see you people talking about 8 MB cards for $415....sshheeezzzeee! What are these other cards, are they PCMCIA, or the style that plug in inder my floppy? Have any of you run into any adverse effects using them, OR the IBM version? You see, the card is on it's way, but if I get an overwhelming response saying "Hal, whaddya doin! Get the non-IBM card!" them I will simple send it back for a full refund. Please help me out here, I'm a student! I can't afford these kind of mistakes! Thanks in advance! Hal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Darren Patrick McCabe "Hal" | Mail: Halinatr@gwis.circ.gwu.edu | |-------------------------------|------------------------------------------| | Work: Gnossos Software, Inc | School: The George Washington University | | 1625 K St, NW, Suite 410 | Graduate School of Political Management| | Washington, DC 20006 | PADI Open Water Scuba Instructor #57901 | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | "I want to decide who lives and who dies" - Crow T. Robot, MST3K | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 5 00:42:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05579 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Mar 1994 00:42:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA00850; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 01:10:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 01:10:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom9.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA00837; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 01:10:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id UAA29699; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 20:15:39 -0800 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 20:06:35 -0800 (PST) From: Arie Litman Subject: Hi there To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hello, I am a proud owner of a TP-750C, I actually do not have it yet, but I know it has arraived to the office. Although I live in the US, I had to order the TP through our London UK office (from IBM direct UK). I waited 3 weeks! (not much at all) But Ill have to contend with a UK keyboard, I think its worth it. Configuration: 750 C 12 Meg of RAM (Extra 8, not by IBM..) 340 Meg HD EtherNet PCMCIA card Intel 14.4/14.4 modem If your intrested it costs in the UK 4200 pounds. I will load OS/2 and WFW with boot Manager, and later replace Windows with Chicago (win 4.0). Would like to hear from any one who has the Port Replicator with the extra PCMCIA, and anyone else who has some sound advice to a new TP owner.. Thanks, Arie Litman voice (408)411-1166 x4411 FAX x**4411 Litman@netcom.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 5 00:42:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05586 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Mar 1994 00:42:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA01363; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 01:19:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 01:19:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from bos1b.delphi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA01356; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 01:19:26 -0500 From: Received: from delphi.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.2-11 #6311) id <01H9LAHNCIOO8ZKDXG@delphi.com>; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 22:57:50 EST Date: Fri, 04 Mar 1994 22:57:50 -0500 (EST) Subject: Midi Player doesn't work with OS/2 2.11 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <01H9LAHNCIOQ8ZKDXG@delphi.com> X-Vms-To: INTERNET"tp750@cs.utk.edu" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR The Digital Video works fine, and I can play audio CD's in the Dock I but the 750 and OS/2 crash when I try to play a Midi file. Anyone else experience this...know how to fix it? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 5 00:51:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06389 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Mar 1994 00:51:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA01828; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 01:29:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 01:29:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.cs.hmc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA01819; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 01:28:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199403050628.BAA01819@CS.UTK.EDU> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 22:27:49 PST From: Orcinus orca To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: AT&T KIT modem -- I dropped it Status: OR Well, I just dropped my ThinkPad off my lap while turning. Fortunately the ground was carpeted. Unfortunately the AT&T KIT modem and OLI were plugged in and it landed on that end. The two plastic female plugs and one male wire that insert into the modem both bent about 60 degrees. The plastic plugs cracked on one side (the outside of the bend) but it doesn't seem like any connections broke -- I bent everything back in shape and I'm using it right now to type this message. Still, I'll probably feel better when I buy a replacement. I doubt the XJack would've survived the same fall so I guess I made the right choice picking replacability over convenience. Anyways, all this reminded me of something I've been meaning to ask other AT&T KIT owners. Mine shipped with just the OLI. The plug pictured in the manual was not included. Is that what everyone else got, one or the other? I guess I get to report back to all of you on OLI replacement prices. :) I think when I call AT&T I'll suggest that they make the OLI plug flexible to avoid little accidents like mine... -- John H. Kim jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 5 00:57:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06774 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Mar 1994 00:57:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA02447; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 01:37:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 01:37:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from u.cc.utah.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA02440; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 01:37:15 -0500 Received: from localhost (pawcamp@localhost) by u.cc.utah.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5uucc-a) id XAA25054; Fri, 4 Mar 1994 23:36:59 -0700 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 1994 23:35:20 -0700 (MST) From: Paul Campbell Subject: Re: TP750 & Megahertz Modem To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu Cc: Paul Campbell , Derek Victor Chan , tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9403050111.AA23603@husc4.harvard.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Fri, 4 Mar 1994 chan4@husc.harvard.edu wrote: > Right...does the Megahertz now have 16550 UART emulation? > Yes! Current products that have 16550 are: XJ1144, XJ2144, and the CC3144. For more info, call our toll free #: 1-800-LAPTOPS > Thanks. You're very welcome! =pc= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 5 00:58:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06854 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Mar 1994 00:58:25 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA02464; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 01:38:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 01:38:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.cs.hmc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA02457; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 01:38:09 -0500 Message-Id: <199403050638.BAA02457@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Am I a shmuck? To: darren mccabe Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 22:38:03 PST From: "John H. Kim" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: ; from "darren mccabe" at Mar 4, 94 9:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > Am I the only one who keeps falling for this? I JUST ordered a 4mb ram > expansion card from IBM PC direct, at like $500. Today I log on and see > you people talking about 8 MB cards for $415....sshheeezzzeee! I don't think anyone has any major complaint with their 3rd party memory. My 8MB card seems to suck up a little more juice than others but battery life is still very reasonably (4- hours vs 5+ hours before). Mine's the First Source/Paragon card too. Try telling them you saw it in an ad for $387. Maybe they'll give it to you. > What are these other cards, are they PCMCIA, or the style that plug in > inder my floppy? Have any of you run into any adverse effects using them, > OR the IBM version? Under the floppy type. Anybody know if HP's new 20 MB PCMCIA flash RAM card works with the ThinkPad? It was originally designed for the new Omnibook 430. > You see, the card is on it's way, but if I get an overwhelming response > saying "Hal, whaddya doin! Get the non-IBM card!" them I will simple send > it back for a full refund. If you decide to cancel, do it IMMEDIATELY. Once IBM ships, if you want a refund, they take up to 45 days after they receive the return. That's if everything goes right. It's really silly how they can charge your credit card on the spot, but take over a month to credit you... I had to contest a charge just so I wouldn't have to pay the interest on my credit card. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 5 04:52:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03977 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Mar 1994 04:52:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id FAA22679; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 05:39:01 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 05:39:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id FAA22670; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 05:38:54 -0500 Received: from werple.apana.org.au by yarrina.connect.com.au with SMTP id AA19786 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Mar 1994 15:56:30 +1100 Received: from localhost (guardian@localhost) by werple.apana.org.au (8.6.5/8.6.5) id PAA17989; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 15:54:59 +1100 Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 15:51:36 +1100 (EST) From: Nick Allan Subject: I'm new To: thinkpad mailinglist Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hello everyone I'm a new thinkpad user. I've got a tp750 with the standard options. I've got two questions hopefully someone will be able to help me. 1. Does anyone know where I can find a cheep pcmcia network adapter of some kine? I've got my two desktops linked using lantastic and I want to add the tp750 in. 2. Are there any ftp sites that have information/ utilties etc for the tp750's? Thanks for any help. Regards Nick From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 5 10:02:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13872 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Mar 1994 10:02:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA12364; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 10:46:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 10:46:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uu9.psi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA12356; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 10:46:42 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP by uu9.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA05967 for ; Sat, 5 Mar 94 10:39:08 -0500 Received: by channel1 (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id E17BB7; Sat, 5 Mar 94 10:21:00 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Microsoft Dos 6.2/Thanks From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.318056.700.0CE17BB7@channel1.com> In-Reply-To: <40.315116.700.0CE179DC@channel1.com> Date: Fri, 4 Mar 94 23:51:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1 Communications Status: OR Subject: Microsoft Dos 6.2/Thanks Greetings..... I just want to say, THANK YOU!!.... to everyone who responded to my previous message. I appreciate all your advice and comments regarding Microsoft Dos, and IBM Dos. Joseph Pereira From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 5 10:50:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18228 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Mar 1994 10:50:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA15109; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 11:35:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 11:35:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA15089; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 11:35:42 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA24746; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 08:35:33 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id IAA09480; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 08:35:31 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199403051635.IAA09480@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Flash Cards and IBM & Credit Cards To: jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu (John H. Kim) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 08:35:30 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199403050638.BAA02457@CS.UTK.EDU> from "John H. Kim" at Mar 4, 94 10:38:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Anybody know if HP's new 20 MB PCMCIA flash RAM > card works with the ThinkPad? It was originally designed for the new > Omnibook 430. I recently got an HP 100LX sometime back for financial/spreadsheet/ and miscellaneous sheduling/note-taking functions (its nice--small and convenient & easy to carry). The 100LX has a Type II PCMCIA slot, and since it has only 1 MB (there is now a 2 MB version) memory, one is left with a 300 K "disk" for storage--not much. The obvious answer is a PCMCIA card. Many people buy fast, battery- backed RAM, but I chose to go with a Flash card (technically, its not referred to as "Flash RAM" since its not RAM, but more like an EEprom--not to mention that writes are a *lot* slower...) by Ace Technloogies. Its a 5 MB card with Stacker on it to make it 10 (I've actually gotten about 8 to 9 MB on it...). There are essentially 2 Flash-disk "standards." One by Intel and another buy SunDisk (also known as ATA-type). If you pay attention to the miniature hard drives that go in our wonderful Type III slots, you'll notice that these little drives are sometimes called "ATA"--and there is where you have your compatibility--they use the same method of communicating to the machine through the PCMCIA slot (I can't give any technical details though). Out of curiosity, I tried to make my Flash disk work in MY TP750 slot. After a little fiddling around, I found that once I enabled PCMCIA card services (I have no other PCMCIA cards, so this was new to me!) and added one more driver in there that comes with IBM PC-DOS 6.1 to enable ATA-type devices (check the manual--I can't remember the driver's name, but it has a whole page devoted to this ATA-type driver). VOILA! It worked--I could read or write to my Flash disk to my heart's content as though it were just another hard drive on my system! So in a nutshell--I'm willing to bet that if this 20 MB HP Flash card (and incidently, there are other sources for Flash disks that are just as big or bigger, and probably much cheaper than HP--one is ACE which I just mentioned, and another inexpensive one is Epson) is the SunDisk-type (and I'm absolutely certain it is--all the others they make are) and ATA- based, then yes, it will work in your ThinkPad 750 PCMCIA slot. ...but it's not cheap! There is a *reason* I only bought the 5 MB card! > > You see, the card is on it's way, but if I get an overwhelming response > > saying "Hal, whaddya doin! Get the non-IBM card!" them I will simple send > > it back for a full refund. > > If you decide to cancel, do it IMMEDIATELY. Once IBM ships, if you want > a refund, they take up to 45 days after they receive the return. That's if > everything goes right. It's really silly how they can charge your credit > card on the spot, but take over a month to credit you... I had to contest > a charge just so I wouldn't have to pay the interest on my credit card. That has happened to me (by IBM)... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California (Dodging QUAKES in L.A.!!) Chocolate junkie, Motorcycle nut, HP 48 user, and of course...Computer geek "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 5 13:56:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08731 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Mar 1994 13:56:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA26372; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 14:36:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 14:36:56 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.cs.hmc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA26365; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 14:36:55 -0500 Message-Id: <199403051936.OAA26365@CS.UTK.EDU> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 94 11:32:08 PST From: Orcinus orca To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Sparco info & ftp info Status: OR Here's the info needed to order from sparco, all except the prices: =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Shipping Charges : In Continental USA, include $5 for each software title. 4% for hardware orders, minimum $5. HI AK FPO APO Puerto Rico and Canadian orders, please add 6% shipping. Foreign orders add 14% shipping. All foreign orders are shipped first class US mail. Express services with UPS FedEX US Express mail and Airbourne Express are available. When ordering in volume please contact Sparco to get better prices. Payment : Sparco accepts American Express and Discover cards only. Mastercard Visa, Diner's, Carte Blanche and JCB are scheduled to be added on a later date. Payments can also be wired or mailed to Sparco. Please allow 4 days processing period for personal checks. All payments must be in US Dollars. Sparco accepts POs on terms from gov. agencies and educational institutions only. COD orders are welcome. Orders can be mailed, faxed or emailed to Sparco Communications. Attn: Sales Sparco Communications Ph : (601) 323-5360 500 Russell St. Suite 20 Fax : (601) 324-6433 Starkville, MS 39759 email : sparco@sparco.com USA =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= And for those of you with only email access, some advice from the Special Internet Connections list: -FTP via EMail mail ftpmail@decwrl.dec.com Subject: (hit return) Body-of-letter: help (return) quit mail ftpmail@grasp.insa-lyon.fr Body-of-letter: help. Please, European users only. mail bitftp@pucc.princeton.edu mail BITFTP@DEARN or to BITFTP@vm.gmd.de (Europe only) Body-of-letter: help or ftplist for a list of anon. ftp sites. -- John H. Kim jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 5 14:45:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14143 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Mar 1994 14:45:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA29229; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 15:20:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 15:20:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.cs.hmc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA29220; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 15:20:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199403052020.PAA29220@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Sparco info & ftp info To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sat, 5 Mar 94 12:20:52 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199403051936.OAA26365@CS.UTK.EDU>; from "Orcinus orca" at Mar 5, 94 11:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR Despite what that Sparco info I just posted said, you can phone your orders too. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 5 20:28:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16060 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Mar 1994 20:27:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA18312; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 21:07:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 21:07:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hamlet.ucdavis.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA18305; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 21:07:45 -0500 From: Received: from localhost by hamlet.ucdavis.edu (8.6.5/UCD2.50) id RAA28715; Sat, 5 Mar 1994 17:59:52 -0800 Date: Sat, 5 Mar 1994 17:59:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem -- I dropped it To: Orcinus orca Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199403050628.BAA01819@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Fri, 4 Mar 1994, Orcinus orca wrote: > reminded me of something I've been meaning to ask other AT&T KIT owners. > Mine shipped with just the OLI. The plug pictured in the manual was > not included. Is that what everyone else got, one or the other? I think mine is like yours. The OLI is on the card end. The one drawn in the manual has the OLI on the telephone connection end (older version?). A morbid request perhaps, considering your recent accident, but can you see what is inside the OLI plug. I've been curious about that. Glad to hear that your TP is OK. Brian K. Tarkington bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 01:31:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12387 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 01:31:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA03963; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 02:11:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 02:11:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.cs.hmc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA03956; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 02:11:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199403060711.CAA03956@CS.UTK.EDU> Date: Sat, 5 Mar 94 23:06:16 PST From: Orcinus orca To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Inside the AT&T modem OLI Status: OR The entire OLI didn't crack open, just the plastic end that inserts into the modem. There are metal wires inside the plastic so it looks like the only reason they made two female plugs with one male prong in the middle is so you don't stick the thing in in the wrong place or upside down. It's all metal wires inside. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 07:46:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09357 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 07:46:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA02117; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 08:31:17 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 08:31:15 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hk.super.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA02110; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 08:31:12 -0500 Received: by hk.super.net id AA27525 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 21:31:05 +0800 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 21:31:05 +0800 From: "Mr. Tony K Ng" Message-Id: <199403061331.AA27525@hk.super.net> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Hi there, I just want to say thanks to those who has been giving me advise on my 750 questions. Thanks a lot. -Tony From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 12:08:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23582 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:08:36 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA15767; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:51:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:51:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id MAA15760; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:51:42 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA22328 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 11:51:24 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403061751.AA22328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Questions To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 11:51:23 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199403041328.AA18985@hk.super.net> from "Mr. Tony K Ng" at Mar 4, 94 09:28:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I am not using the provided PCMCIA drivers, but only > the one provided by Megahertz which is only a command > executed in c:\autoexec.bat. > Can anyone out there help me out? Try to get the updated drivers, either from Megahertz (which, I believe uses enablers) or from IBM NSC BBS. > 2. I can not record anything. I used a walkman MIC and > windows' recording software. But it seems like it does > read anything. Do you have any experience on this? You shouldn't have a problem there. If you can't find a way to resolve it, then I would send it in for repair. > 3. I am thinking about installing OS/2.1 but only got > 4M RAM. Does any of you know where I can buy a > 8M RAM card at a low price? Or would you recommend > me to use 8M PCMCIA RAM? Most of the places all seem to sell 8MB at ~$450-$500. > 4. Is the 486SL/33 upgradable? (e.g. 486DX2) This is a question we would like to know ourselves. Right now, obviously, there would be a problem since the 486DX2/66 aren't SL-Enhanced (to my knowledge), but I would assume that as soon as Intel releases one, IBM will be offering an upgrade (I hope). Sean Chou From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 12:19:14 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24647 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:19:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA16332; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 13:05:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 13:05:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA16318; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 13:05:28 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA23378 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:05:11 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403061805.AA23378@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: bad pixels on the 750C... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:05:10 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9403041553.AA07863@bartles> from "byrne@austin.wireline.slb.com" at Mar 4, 94 09:53:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Is this going to be a trend? I should certainly hope not! I've had two screens so far and I've only seen one pixel actually go bad. My first screen came with five bad pixels and when one more went out, I got it replaced (there were some small ones elsewhere). Now my screen has one pixel and has stayed there for the past two months or so... > Is there something I might be doing that is causing this to happen? Are you doing anything ridiculous to it? Such as wiping it with a harsh detergent or leaving it by some powerful force (magnetic or whatever)? > I understand that IBM allows three bad pixels before they consider the > screen bad. If I end up with more than three, will they replace the > screen? Well, first off, it is nearly impossible to get a perfect screen. I've never actually seen one and the people who say they have one often don't check against solid colors for it. Three isn't bad and neither is four. IBM doesn't replace until you have seven or more bad pixels as I recall. It's actually a rather standard policy amongst the laptop vendors. As long as no more go bad and it doesn't bother you, I wouldn't worry about it. If it does bother you though, contact IBM. -Sean Chou From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 12:25:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25294 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:25:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA16567; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 13:11:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 13:11:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA16560; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 13:11:31 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA23857 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:11:15 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403061811.AA23857@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: DOOM and audio To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:11:14 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9403042320.AA21291@opus.objy.com> from "Bruce Reed" at Mar 4, 94 03:20:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > A while back I remember folks discussing problems they had getting the > audio support to work with DOOM. Did anyone ever figure this out? I've fiddled with it quite a bit myself. I think that the newer version (1.2) doesnt' check for the memory address to search at meaning we may be able to enter our actual addresses. But even then, I don't know if it'll work since it may need the actual hardware to exist there... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 12:36:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26251 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:36:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA16772; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 13:18:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 13:18:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA16764; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 13:18:48 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA24577 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:18:31 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403061818.AA24577@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem -- I dropped it To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:18:30 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199403050628.BAA01819@CS.UTK.EDU> from "Orcinus orca" at Mar 4, 94 10:27:35 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Well, I just dropped my ThinkPad off my lap while turning. Fortunately > the ground was carpeted. Unfortunately the AT&T KIT modem and OLI were Ouch, I assume the TP is just fine? > I doubt the XJack would've survived the same fall so I guess I made the > right choice picking replacability over convenience. Anyways, all this Well, let's not have any XJack vs. KIT wars here. But it is strange that those seem to be the only two modems that we TP users possess... > Mine shipped with just the OLI. The plug pictured in the manual was > not included. Is that what everyone else got, one or the other? Neither did mine. I called AT&T and they reported back that there are two models for it and that you can get one or the other. I would like to here about the prices for the plug model... > I think when I call AT&T I'll suggest that they make the OLI plug flexible > to avoid little accidents like mine... That would be a nice touch though... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 12:40:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26613 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:40:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA17100; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 13:22:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 13:22:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA17078; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 13:21:58 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA24972 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:21:40 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403061821.AA24972@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: I'm new To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:21:39 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Nick Allan" at Mar 5, 94 03:51:22 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > 1. Does anyone know where I can find a cheep pcmcia network adapter of > some kine? I've got my two desktops linked using lantastic and I want to > add the tp750 in. If you find any, let me know! :) > 2. Are there any ftp sites that have information/ utilties etc for the > tp750's? The best place for updated drivers is the IBM NSC BBS. I don't have the number right now, but I'm sure that someone else could give it to you or you could call IBM for it. Also, these mailings will be archived and uploaded in the near future for FTP. And a FAQ will go with it as well as be posted to the laptops newsgroup. From Paul.Campbell@m.cc.utah.edu Sun Mar 6 12:49:24 1994 Received: from u.cc.utah.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27530 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 12:49:23 -0600 Received: from localhost (pawcamp@localhost) by u.cc.utah.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5uucc-a) id LAA19917; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 11:49:27 -0700 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 11:48:10 -0700 (MST) From: Paul Campbell Subject: Re: Questions To: Sean Chou Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199403061751.AA22328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Sun, 6 Mar 1994, Sean Chou wrote: > > I am not using the provided PCMCIA drivers, but only > > the one provided by Megahertz which is only a command > > executed in c:\autoexec.bat. > > Can anyone out there help me out? > > Try to get the updated drivers, either from Megahertz (which, I > believe uses enablers) or from IBM NSC BBS. We (Megahertz) have both an enabler (SETMHZ) and System Soft Card & Socket Services (allows hot-swapping) on our BBS. good luck! -pc- From whittle@chaph.usc.edu Sun Mar 6 13:22:13 1994 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00409 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 13:22:12 -0600 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA16314 for ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 11:22:23 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id LAA29365 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 11:22:21 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199403061922.LAA29365@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Questions To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 11:22:21 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <199403061751.AA22328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Mar 6, 94 11:51:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2260 Status: OR > > 2. I can not record anything. I used a walkman MIC and > > windows' recording software. But it seems like it does > > read anything. Do you have any experience on this? > > You shouldn't have a problem there. If you can't find a way > to resolve it, then I would send it in for repair. You're an OS/2 user, so you probably wouldn't know this... Since he has a stock 4 MB machine, Windows is so loaded with the various drivers and such that 4 MB simply isn't enough to buffer the memory- intensive recording feature (play is okay though). Before my 8 MB card arrived, I had the same problem. The only way around it was to make a big swap file--but that just makes it *possible*. The truth of the matter is that it just makes the recording absolutely unworkable (though technically, it works) since it lags *so* far behind--you can't even tell if it is recording! At any rate, once I put the new memory card in, it worked like a peach. I also let the other gentleman know this. > > 4. Is the 486SL/33 upgradable? (e.g. 486DX2) > > This is a question we would like to know ourselves. Right now, > obviously, there would be a problem since the 486DX2/66 aren't > SL-Enhanced (to my knowledge), but I would assume that as soon > as Intel releases one, IBM will be offering an upgrade (I hope). I'll be curious to see this...but what will we do with our old chip? Seems to me that an SL-enhanced DX2-66 chip sure isn't going to be cheap (knowing IBM, they'll probably price the upgrade at $1500). ----- Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48 & 100LX user, and...*Proud* to be Conservative! "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ | o o o o | | Just because we disagree doesn't | | <><><> <> | /-+-- --+X | mean I have to kill you. | | |||||| || | /> <\ | ...Unless, of course, I really want to... | +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ (Standard disclaimers apply--and if you're a liberal wacko, go soak your head.) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 14:11:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04333 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:11:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA22597; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:55:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:55:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.cs.hmc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA22580; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:55:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199403061955.OAA22580@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Questions To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 6 Mar 94 11:55:46 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199403061751.AA22328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Mar 6, 94 11:51 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > 2. I can not record anything. I used a walkman MIC and > > windows' recording software. But it seems like it does > > read anything. Do you have any experience on this? > > You shouldn't have a problem there. If you can't find a way > to resolve it, then I would send it in for repair. The Soundblaster has two input jacks -- microphone and line. Most software was designed around the Soundblaster and so you have to pick the correct input source -- microphone or line. Otherwise you don't record anything. I don't remember which jack the TP750 has, mic or line. I did get it to record under Windows (back when I had 4 MB) so it should work. Which reminds me, the recording volume was fine under Windows, but under OS/2, it was very faint. I could barely hear it upon playback, even with the hardware and MMPM/2 volume controls set all the way up. Has anyone else tried recording under OS/2? > > 4. Is the 486SL/33 upgradable? (e.g. 486DX2) > > This is a question we would like to know ourselves. Right now, > obviously, there would be a problem since the 486DX2/66 aren't > SL-Enhanced (to my knowledge), but I would assume that as soon > as Intel releases one, IBM will be offering an upgrade (I hope). SL != SL-Enhanced. The former incorporates many of the chips you'd normally find on the motherboard into the CPU. I don't think the pin-outs are the same either. BUT we know a TP750CE exists, and it's supposed to be a clock doubled 25/50 or 33/66. So either IBM made a TP750 motherboard that uses an SL-Enhanced CPU, or they clock doubled the 486SL. In the former case, you'd have to buy a new motherboard (or whatever you call it in a notebook). In the latter case, IBM wouldn't be able to sell it to you without the motherboard (contract with Intel). So unless I'm wrong about the SL / SL-Enhaned pinouts being different, or Intel comes out with a 486SL2/66, there's no way to upgrade the CPU short of a new motherboard. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 14:43:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07951 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:43:25 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA24363; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:29:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:29:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA24356; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:29:36 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA06237 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:29:17 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403062029.AA06237@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: MHz To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:29:16 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Paul Campbell" at Mar 6, 94 11:47:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > We (Megahertz) have both an enabler (SETMHZ) and System Soft Card & Socket > Services (allows hot-swapping) on our BBS. It's very nice to see such friendly help and dedication from a rather large company. I'm glad you can make it on our mailing list. And although I myself use an AT&T KIT PCMCIA modem, many others on our list use your MHz card. I'm sure they'll appreciate your help. Is the Card&Socket Services that you provide the same as the ones that accompany the new utilities disk (v.1.12)? Or are they of MHz own manufacture for the TP? -Sean Chou From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 14:49:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08713 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:49:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA24698; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:35:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:35:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA24686; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:35:18 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA06761 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:35:02 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403062035.AA06761@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Setups and Upgradeable CPUs To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:35:01 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199403061922.LAA29365@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Mar 6, 94 11:22:07 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > You're an OS/2 user, so you probably wouldn't know this... Oooh, have I earned such a rep? :) Or is it just to the more active readers of our list only? > Since he has a stock 4 MB machine, Windows is so loaded with the > various drivers and such that 4 MB simply isn't enough to buffer the memory- > intensive recording feature (play is okay though). Before my 8 MB card Ahh, I didn't know this was the source of the problem but I thank you for pointing it out! For what it's worth, I've spent some time back in DOS/win lately to try to help our fellow TP750 users with that setup. I've got a config.sys and autoexec.bat with multiple bootups set up to cover the two most basic configs -- game play and normal use (with PCMCIA drivers). Both setups have a fair amount of RAM available. I think that maybe I'll post them to the list...? > I'll be curious to see this...but what will we do with our old > chip? Seems to me that an SL-enhanced DX2-66 chip sure isn't going to be > cheap (knowing IBM, they'll probably price the upgrade at $1500). Use it as an expensive keychain? :) I would probably just lay it aside until I found a way to use it in a normal motherboard -- I assume it would use the same type of CPU but that may be erroneous since it's 1) on a notebook, and 2) SL-Enhanced. But since I've heard that the CPU is upgradeable (in PC/Computing), I would assume that the CPU has to be somewhat exchangeable. I wonder if someone with a tech manual (ahem, Keith) could tell us the possibility of an upgradeable CPU... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 14:51:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09051 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:51:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA24897; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:39:09 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:39:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA24890; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:39:06 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA07130 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:38:47 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403062038.AA07130@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: AT&T KIT models To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:38:47 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199403061925.LAA29619@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Mar 6, 94 11:25:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I don't understand what is going on here, and should I purchase a KIT, I want > to be informed! Thanks... It's rather simple. The "plug" model only comes in three parts -- the KIT card itself, the connector for the KIT card (with a "plug" on the end for the phone wire), and then a bit of phone wire. This seems to me to be more practical since I've broken my share of RJ11 phone thingys by pulling them out too harshly or whatnot. But this seems to be the one that no one is getting. The other model is composed of two parts -- the KIT card and a connector that has an RJ11 on the end of it. In this case, it seems if you break the RJ11 thing, you have to get a new connector or splice a new cable to it (either way a pain). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 15:03:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10479 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:02:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA25373; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:47:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:47:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA25364; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:47:32 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA08422 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:47:15 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403062047.AA08422@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: CPU Upgrade? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 14:47:14 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199403061955.OAA22580@CS.UTK.EDU> from "John H. Kim" at Mar 6, 94 11:55:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > SL != SL-Enhanced. The former incorporates many of the chips you'd > normally find on the motherboard into the CPU. I don't think the I'm not sure about the pin layouts of the two CPUs but I am aware of the difference. Unfortunately, it seems that Intel has stopped making SL chips in favor of making all their chips SL-Enhanced. But that doesn't mean IBM can't make the SL66 themselves since they are capable of making Intel chips or perhaps even making a version of the clock-tripled chips (I don't know about the heat problems this could cause though). > pin-outs are the same either. BUT we know a TP750CE exists, and > it's supposed to be a clock doubled 25/50 or 33/66. So either IBM > made a TP750 motherboard that uses an SL-Enhanced CPU, or they clock > doubled the 486SL. In the former case, you'd have to buy a new Well, we now have our first (that I know of) CE owner aboard so maybe he can give us a hint. I was under the impression that it was a DX2/66. It never occured to me whether it uses a different motherboard to handle a regular DX2/66 or whether IBM clock-doubled the 486SL. It seems more reasonable that they would just clock-double the SL chip since even Intel hasn't announced a 66 SL-Enhanced chip... or have they? > (contract with Intel). So unless I'm wrong about the SL / SL-Enhaned > pinouts being different, or Intel comes out with a 486SL2/66, there's > no way to upgrade the CPU short of a new motherboard. Well, Intel coming out with a new SL chip doesn't seem likely although it seems that the new NEC Versas are using a SL2/50. I don't know... it could've been a typo. If the NEC Versa Es are indeed using a new SL chip though...it would seem to be more promising. I wonder if IBM would have to sell us a new motherboard or if we could just upgrade it since we do, in essence, have a motherboard sold under the same premises (IBM made Intel chip). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 15:29:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13140 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:29:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA26861; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 16:11:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 16:11:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA26854; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 16:11:30 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA11369 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:11:13 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403062111.AA11369@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: no subject (file transmission) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:11:12 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR I have managed to setup a relatively decent system in my short time playing with DOS/Win. As most people may or may not know, I'm an OS/2 user but I've taken some time to see if I can help to opmtimize DOS/Win with PCMCIA and sounds. I've come up with a multiple boot-up configuration and get respectable amounts of RAM. But first, I had to make some assumptions. For "regular" use (I assume most people use primarily Windows under DOS), there is no sound capability outside of Windows -- no emulation, no nothing. Also, I don't load a mouse driver (if you need it loaded, just move the mouse driver to the common loading region in the autoexec.bat). Also, the game setup uses EMS so it does not fare well in RAM. If your games can use XMS, include a NOEMS option on the emm386.exe line under the [GAMES] section in the config.sys. CONFIG.SYS ---------- [MENU] menuitem=NORMAL, Setup for Windows menuitem=GAMES, Setup for game use [COMMON] DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS DOS=high SHELL=c:\bin\ndos.com /p FILES=40 BUFFERS=20 LASTDRIVE=G DEVICE=c:\bin\nansi.sys DEVICE=c:\ibmvesa\vesa.exe [NORMAL] STACKS=9,256 DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS X=C000-C0FF DEVICE=c:\dos\ramboost.exe load DEVICE=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDSS01.SYS /S0=2 DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\IBMDOSCS.SYS DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C000-C0FF DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.SYS C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.INI DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\$ICPMDOS.SYS DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS [GAMES] STACKS=0,0 DEVICE=c:\windows\emm386.exe DEVICE=c:\thinkpad\audio\DIAG\AUDTEST.SYS /V=10 DEVICEHIGH=c:\thinkpad\audio\AUDIODD\TPAUDDD.SYS ---------- Also, some of you may notice that I'm using Window for Workgroups 3.11. If you are using regular Windows, you won't have the IFSHLP.SYS line. I also only exclude a small region of memory for PCMICA (C000-C0FF) and that has proved to be fine for those of use with just a modem. I don't know about those who have network cards or some other second card though. Also, I realize that some people may have third party memory managers but I've tried to stick to what comes with DOS/Win so that this can benefit the most number of users... AUTOEXEC.BAT ------------ @ECHO OFF PROMPT [$p] PATH=c:\dos;c:\bin;c:\windows;c:\winapps\ndw;c:\thinkpad SET TEMP=c:\temp SET SYMANTEC=C:\SYMANTEC REM C:\WINDOWS\net start REM C:\THINKPAD\FUELDOS REM C:\WINDOWS\SMARTDRV.EXE /X 2048 128 C:\WINAPPS\NDW\IMAGE.EXE ALIAS /r c:\bin\alias.lst IF NOT "%CONFIG%" == "GAMES" GOTO End LH C:\DOS\MOUSE.COM LH c:\thinkpad\audio\vdd\svaudio.exe :End ------------ And a final word: this is just my own suggestion and may or may not give you the best results. As I said earlier, I'm really an OS/2 user moonlighting as a DOS/Win user to try to help. Of course, I do have a lot of experience with DOS/Win though. I also have Norton Desktop for Windows and hence, the image line. I found FUELDOS to be unnecessary if you are doing most of your work in Windows. I also REM'ed out net since I'm not on a network. The smartdrive size is minimal since WFW3.11 has it's own cache which seems to work just fine. As a matter of fact, if you use WFW311 and nothing else, I'd recommend taking out the drive cache peiod. Also, I use NDOS.COM as my command shell (in place of COMMAND.COM) so I have the alias line. Sorry about the my thoughts being rather scattered but I was just rattling it off as it came to me. Even though the mouse and svaudio have LH statements in front of them, they don't actually load into high memory...so you may want to remove the LH from them unless you can also place the NOEMS line in the emm386.exe driver line... From litman@netcom.com Sun Mar 6 15:42:28 1994 Received: from netcom10.netcom.com (netcom11.netcom.com) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14528 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:42:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id NAA11910; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 13:43:35 -0800 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 13:41:50 -0800 (PST) From: Arie Litman Subject: Re: Questions To: Sean Chou Cc: TP-750 List In-Reply-To: <199403061751.AA22328@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I heard of rumors that IBM in Europe is providing select customers with a TP 750E and it is the same as the "C" but with a 496/66mz... Would like to put my hands on one of there... Arie Litman voice (408)411-1166 x4411 FAX x**4411 Litman@netcom.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 6 Mar 1994, Sean Chou wrote: > > I am not using the provided PCMCIA drivers, but only > > the one provided by Megahertz which is only a command > > executed in c:\autoexec.bat. > > Can anyone out there help me out? > > Try to get the updated drivers, either from Megahertz (which, I > believe uses enablers) or from IBM NSC BBS. > > > 2. I can not record anything. I used a walkman MIC and > > windows' recording software. But it seems like it does > > read anything. Do you have any experience on this? > > You shouldn't have a problem there. If you can't find a way > to resolve it, then I would send it in for repair. > > > 3. I am thinking about installing OS/2.1 but only got > > 4M RAM. Does any of you know where I can buy a > > 8M RAM card at a low price? Or would you recommend > > me to use 8M PCMCIA RAM? > > Most of the places all seem to sell 8MB at ~$450-$500. > > > 4. Is the 486SL/33 upgradable? (e.g. 486DX2) > > This is a question we would like to know ourselves. Right now, > obviously, there would be a problem since the 486DX2/66 aren't > SL-Enhanced (to my knowledge), but I would assume that as soon > as Intel releases one, IBM will be offering an upgrade (I hope). > > Sean Chou > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 15:59:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16084 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:59:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA28824; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 16:44:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 16:44:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gwis.circ.gwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA28816; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 16:44:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (halinatr@localhost) by gwis.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id QAA16004; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 16:45:33 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 16:36:19 -0500 (EST) From: darren mccabe Subject: Hey, Hey, Sound and Gaming? To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Ok- I just bought a Colorado (something) "Gameport" serial game adapter, and a Flightstick. Didn't work. Took it bak, and tried a diffrent joystick, nope. Figured I must have a non-standard serial port, so I got the Parallel adapter, and nope. Still didn't work. So, are there any of you out there that have joysticks hooked up to your TP's, and if so, how? X-Wing and NHL Hockey are tought with the TPII.... Also, can I get some feedback from those of you using the "Dock 1" with a CD-ROM and whatever else you managed to cram in there (says it takes a 1 GB hard drive..). And once more, do you think that the audio driver will ever be updated enough to make our sound chips truly Soundblaster compatable, or are we stuck with the PCjr of sound...a step up, but no farther? Finally....what are some of the 3rd party devices you have running on your TP's aside from Modems and memory? Anyone using inventive PCMCIA's, tape backups, external items? And is there anyone that is switching back and forth between 2 hard drives? Curious, ain't I? Hal P.S. one more thing, could someone kick me in the right direction for getting the latest drivers for my little $3K wonder? I really want to squeeze what I can out of this machine! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Darren Patrick McCabe "Hal" | Mail: Halinatr@gwis.circ.gwu.edu | |-------------------------------|------------------------------------------| | Work: Gnossos Software, Inc | School: The George Washington University | | 1625 K St, NW, Suite 410 | Graduate School of Political Management| | Washington, DC 20006 | PADI Open Water Scuba Instructor #57901 | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | "I want to decide who lives and who dies" - Crow T. Robot, MST3K | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 16:24:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18470 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 16:24:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA00185; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 17:05:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 17:05:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.cs.hmc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA00178; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 17:05:19 -0500 Message-Id: <199403062205.RAA00178@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem -- I dropped it To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 6 Mar 94 14:05:13 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199403062053.AA09369@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Mar 6, 94 2:53 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > Ah, well I guess then that means someone has yet to really punish their > TPs. I can't help but wonder if the TP can take some abuse. I know > it can take bumps fine though since I carry it with me in a soft bag > and have occasionally bumpd it. Having material tested fiberglass and various metals, I tend to be more trusting of the ruggedness of these materials. I've tossed it a few feet onto the car seat or a couch. When its in the (Kensington) carrying case, I'll make small ( > It's a somewhat subtle hint to the MegaHertz representative on here to > > pass word along that the XJack should be designed to be replacable if > > damaged. > > Very diabolical of you... :) Yes, I figured if I just sent a suggestion it'd be passed along as a suggestion; but if I made it sound like a criticism, it'd be passed along as "a customer pointed out our product is inferior in this respect." :) > > Maybe because they're the best two modems on the market? > > Could be. But I've also heard quite a few nice words of the Intel > modem as well as the USR modems. Someone has finally purchased a > USR modem though so I guess I can't say that anymore...bummer. When I called around asking about modems, only the AT&T and Practical Peripherals gave a definite "yes" to having a 16550 UART. The PP is supposed to be a clone of the AT&T. Nice to know the Megahertz has joined the club. Coming from using the 16450 on the TP's serial port, it makes a HUGE difference when multitasking under OS/2. > Between you and me, I think the AT&T KIT winds hands-down if nothing > else, just for it's upgradeability... There are a couple other modems with firmware in EEPROM. Considering the marginal cost of the PCMCIA modems, I'm surprised more full sized modems don't use them. Then again, I suppose the modem companies wouldn't make as much money then. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 16:45:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20415 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 16:44:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA01101; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 17:22:13 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 17:22:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA01094; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 17:22:10 -0500 Received: from localhost (postman@localhost) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id RAA10356 for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 17:22:06 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 17:22:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix10.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 17:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix10.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 17:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.14.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix10.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix10.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 17:20:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 17:20:50 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew A. Houghton" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem -- I dropped it In-Reply-To: <199403062205.RAA00178@CS.UTK.EDU> References: <199403062205.RAA00178@CS.UTK.EDU> Status: OR Well, for what it's worth, I have an Intel 14.4/14.4 PCMCIA modem. Works fine, so far. I haven't really pushed it too much, though. Lately I've not been travelling, and my desktop machine is leaps & bounds better than my TP. I'm using Intel's drivers. They're made by SystemSoft, and they were much much better than the 1st set of IBM's drivers. Haven't tried EasyPlay yet. Actually, with everything loaded, using DOS 6.2, I've got around 560K of mem left. Not terrific (we're so spoiled, in these days of decent memory managers -- I remember being satisfied with 490) but not bad, either, as I haven't had to use multi-boot or tweak anything by hand. I forget if this was a topic on the mailing list or the PCMCIA board... it was pointed out by someone that all this talk about 16550 or 16450 on the PCMCIA cards is interesting, but needs to be qualified -- it's all emulation, and he was wondering whether the 16550 emulation really made a difference over 16450 emulation, since it's not really hardware but software based. But, of course, it could be that I'm wrong. - Andrew From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 17:17:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23647 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 17:17:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA03506; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 18:04:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 18:04:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom10.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA03498; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 18:04:38 -0500 Received: from localhost by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id PAA19174; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:05:32 -0800 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:03:56 -0800 (PST) From: Arie Litman Subject: TrackPoint II as joystick for games To: TP-750 List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Is there a device driver that will allow the TP-II to be used as a joystick? Arie Litman voice (408)411-1166 x4411 FAX x**4411 Litman@netcom.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 17:45:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26933 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 17:45:54 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA05202; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 18:29:13 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 18:29:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA05195; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 18:29:09 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08821; Sun, 6 Mar 94 15:29:07 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17714; Sun, 6 Mar 94 15:28:14 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA03256; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:28:06 +0800 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 15:28:06 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9403062328.AA03256@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: random replies Status: OR My LCD came with 6 bad pixels - five green and one blue. I haven't had any more since (just over a month now). I rarely notice them. Perhaps the fact that my workspace background is blue/green helps. On the other hand, if I bought the machine to do photo editing, I might feel differently. > 4. Is the 486SL/33 upgradable? (e.g. 486DX2) It's not socketed, so the system board would need to be replaced. > I don't know if the XJack would have survived the fall Hypothetical at best, since I won't try it, but I'd guess that based on how little out of the TP the XJack sits, some corner or side of your TP would hit before the XJack did. It's like if you dropped the TP forward with a floppy in the drive - the TP will likely absorb the impact before the eject button gets crushed. Given the choice of the ATT cable being busted and my hypothetical scenario of the TP taking the hit to protect the XJack, I'd prefer the ATT solution. :-) > updated drivers is the IBM NSC BBS. I don't have the number right now What? It should be on your TP, and your TP should always be with you! :-) The number is +1 919 517-0001. > I don't remember which jack the TP750 has, mic or line. Both. The input jack is software selectable. I don't know how. You can probably use the same code you'd use to control a SB. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 19:33:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06409 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 19:33:16 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA10110; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 20:09:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 20:09:56 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from vms.macc.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA10103; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 20:09:54 -0500 Received: from VMSmail by vms.macc.wisc.edu; Sun, 06 Mar 94 19:09 CDT Message-Id: <24030619092016@vms.macc.wisc.edu> Date: Sun, 06 Mar 94 19:09 CDT From: Chris Schumann Subject: IBM BBS To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Vms-To: IN%"tp750@cs.utk.edu" Status: OR Well, I was going to connect to IBM's BBS, but decided that it wanted too much information before it would grace me with it's holy permission to access its files. I'm not a privacy nut, but who else is going to connect to their machine, and why would they want the files I need? I'll just have to call my PC Direct sales guy, I guess. chris From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 20:00:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08940 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 20:00:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA11767; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 20:41:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 20:41:10 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from galahad.watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA11749; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 20:40:48 -0500 Received: by galahad.watson.ibm.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.2.12/1.0) id AA0078; Sun, 06 Mar 94 19:26:08 -0800 Message-Id: <9403070326.AA0078@galahad.watson.ibm.com> Date: Sun, 6 Mar 94 19:22:55 EST From: John Reynolds Reply-To: John Reynolds To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: sevice pak for OS2/2.1 Status: OR I have just downloaded OS2 2.11 and after I have installed on the home and work computers I plan to install on the laptop. Anyone have any experience with the service pak and/or words of caution. Everything is currently working great with OS2 on the 750c, would hate to mess it up. Regards, John John Reynolds reynolds@acs.ucalgary.ca Immunology, University of Calgary phone (403) 220-4552 Calgary, Alberta, Canada fax (403) 270-7410 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 21:29:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18977 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 21:29:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA16380; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 22:03:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 22:03:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom10.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA16373; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 22:03:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.4/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id TAA10709; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 19:04:24 -0800 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 19:02:57 -0800 (PST) From: Arie Litman Subject: Re: sevice pak for OS2/2.1 To: John Reynolds Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9403070326.AA0078@galahad.watson.ibm.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR John, the readme file in the CSD talks about the TP750. The only thing (that i remember) is a special way to install the video drivers... Check it out. Arie Litman voice (408)411-1166 x4411 FAX x**4411 Litman@netcom.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 6 Mar 1994, John Reynolds wrote: > I have just downloaded OS2 2.11 and after I have installed on the home and work > computers I plan to install on the laptop. Anyone have any experience with the > service pak and/or words of caution. Everything is currently working great with > OS2 on the 750c, would hate to mess it up. > Regards, > John > > > > John Reynolds reynolds@acs.ucalgary.ca > Immunology, University of Calgary phone (403) 220-4552 > Calgary, Alberta, Canada fax (403) 270-7410 > > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 6 21:54:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21589 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Mar 1994 21:54:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA18418; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 22:41:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 22:41:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gwis.circ.gwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id WAA18411; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 22:41:04 -0500 Received: from localhost (halinatr@localhost) by gwis.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id WAA03870; Sun, 6 Mar 1994 22:42:36 -0500 Date: Sun, 6 Mar 1994 22:38:03 -0500 (EST) From: darren mccabe Subject: TP750 Drivers, Help? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR So I just called the IBM BBS, to download the latest video, audio and everything else drivers, and saw that it would take me 77 minutes to download the audio driver alone. (yes, I am a 2400 baud dork). Is there anyone out there that would be willing, if I mailed a formatted floppy, with a pre-addressed, stamped disk mailer, to "manually transfer" these files to me? I can't handle the thought of next months phone bill if I try and download them. I'll give ya $5....tempting, huh? 5 WHOLE dollars! Think of what you could buy! You could buy ONE KEY from a TP750CE! Any takers? I need help, but what's new? Hal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Darren Patrick McCabe "Hal" | Mail: Halinatr@gwis.circ.gwu.edu | |-------------------------------|------------------------------------------| | Work: Gnossos Software, Inc | School: The George Washington University | | 1625 K St, NW, Suite 410 | Graduate School of Political Management| | Washington, DC 20006 | PADI Open Water Scuba Instructor #57901 | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | "I want to decide who lives and who dies" - Crow T. Robot, MST3K | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 00:23:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06437 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 00:23:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA25780; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 01:07:08 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 01:07:07 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.cs.hmc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id BAA25769; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 01:07:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199403070607.BAA25769@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem -- I dropped it To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 6 Mar 94 22:06:59 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: ; from "Andrew A. Houghton" at Mar 6, 94 5:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > I forget if this was a topic on the mailing list or the PCMCIA > board... it was pointed out by someone that all this talk about 16550 > or 16450 on the PCMCIA cards is interesting, but needs to be qualified > -- it's all emulation, and he was wondering whether the 16550 > emulation really made a difference over 16450 emulation, since it's > not really hardware but software based. I'm pretty sure it's hardware based. I don't have to load any software drivers for my AT&T KIT modem to work, and the difference between it and an external modem on the TP's serial port (and on an internal 16450 modem I used to use) is like night and day under OS/2. Before, downloading at timecritical priority made everything pause for about 1/3rd of a second every second. Now I can play Doom while downloading and hardly notice the difference. The reason they don't use a real 16550 is probably because the real thing is thicker than a PCMCIA card (not the silicon, the packaging). Besides, how hard can it be to integrate a 16-byte buffer (vs. 1-byte in a 16450) into your modem's silicon. Oh, OS/2 emulates the 16550 in software in DOS boxes. It doesn't do a lot of good since the interrupts have to be handled by OS/2 without emulation in order to do emulation. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 07:12:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08099 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 07:12:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA25469; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 07:34:11 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 07:34:10 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA25462; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 07:34:08 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06820; Mon, 7 Mar 94 07:31:45 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA763054420 Mon, 07 Mar 94 07:33:40 EST Date: Mon, 07 Mar 94 07:33:40 EST Message-Id: <9402077630.AA763054420@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Hello; WordPerfect 6.0; Dos. Status: OR Regarding use of Hibernation Mode, yes, I use it daily in OS/2. It works perfectly in OS/2 (I don't use PCMCIA cards yet). In DOS/Win mode, the machine awakes without the benefit of a live mouse in windows. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 08:59:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15610 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 08:59:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA01507; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 09:11:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 09:11:09 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA01490; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 09:11:07 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07359; Mon, 7 Mar 94 09:05:46 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA763060046 Mon, 07 Mar 94 09:07:26 EST Date: Mon, 07 Mar 94 09:07:26 EST Message-Id: <9402077630.AA763060046@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: tonyng@HK.Super.NET, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: No subject given Status: OR Tony, Regarding the microphone not working with the TP750, Yep! the first mike I tried also didn't work, but another one did. Both were sold for computer/multimedia use. (fortuneately, I didn't have to buy either one, we had them for other uses). I suspect it's a mismatched impedance thing. Just try other microphones. (The one that didn't work was the multimedia handset model). Joe From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 11:51:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13245 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 11:50:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA07356; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 10:20:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 10:20:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tink.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA07339; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 10:20:34 -0500 Received: from thor.fi.gs.com by tink.com (PMDF V4.3-4 #5880) id <01H9OQX1RJ288WWJNO@tink.com>; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 10:18:03 EST Received: from paradev1 (paradev1.psd.gs.com) by gs.com (PMDF V4.2-12 #3223) id <01H9OQWQOBWW8YES90@gs.com>; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 10:17:48 EDT Received: from escher.psd.gs.com by paradev1 (4.1/Para2.1) id AA11458; Mon, 7 Mar 94 10:17:59 EST Date: Mon, 07 Mar 1994 10:17:59 -0500 (EST) From: padwad@psd.gs.com (Danny Padwa) Subject: Re: AT&T KIT modem -- I dropped it To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: padwad@gs.com Message-Id: <9403071517.AA11458@paradev1> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR > I'm pretty sure it's hardware based. I don't have to load any software > drivers for my AT&T KIT modem to work, and the difference between it and > an external modem on the TP's serial port (and on an internal 16450 modem > I used to use) is like night and day under OS/2. Before, downloading at > timecritical priority made everything pause for about 1/3rd of a second > every second. Now I can play Doom while downloading and hardly notice > the difference. I've had some problems that seem to be related to this under Windows (DOS). With a MegaHertz 14.4 PCMCIA modem, I had a tremendous number of restarts, etc dowloading from IBM. My ppp software had similar problems....looks like lots of data overruns, etc. But PC/Xremote and Winfax can both seem OK! Do the MhZ modems (I forget my model number....I'll check tonight) have 16550 (or emulation or whatever?). Or am I condemned to slow downloads until I get my ISDN line (don't hold your breath)?? Danny From bruce@objy.com Mon Mar 7 12:02:09 1994 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15569 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 12:02:04 -0600 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwgfo05609; Mon, 7 Mar 94 13:02:13 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20728; Mon, 7 Mar 94 09:51:32 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA21385; Mon, 7 Mar 94 10:01:58 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28410; Mon, 7 Mar 94 10:00:48 PST Date: Mon, 7 Mar 94 10:00:48 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9403071800.AA28410@opus.objy.com> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: no subject (file transmission) Status: OR Sean, Have you gotten the audio to work with any games? I've got a similar setup for games and I haven't gotten audio to work in Doom, Lemmings, or Xwing. About the only thing that works is sound under Windows. What level drivers are you using? I'm using the audio diskette that came with the system, I believe it's V1.1. I realize this stuff works much better under OS/2. I do plan on installing it after I get more memory. Thanks, --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 13:06:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27349 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:06:28 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA22912; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:18:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:18:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA22902; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:18:14 -0500 From: Received: from buddy.ucsc.edu by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id KAA05519; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 10:18:09 -0800 Received: from localhost by buddy.ucsc.edu (8.6.4/4.7) id KAA14651; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 10:18:07 -0800 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 10:18:07 -0800 Message-Id: <199403071818.KAA14651@buddy.ucsc.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Megahertz modem Status: OR I just installed a Megahertz XJ1144 on my new TP750cs. (XJ2144 did not seem to be shipping from any of the sources I checked.) Thanks to information found here (thanks) I have it running using Easy Play and the latest version of the Thinpad utilities. Standby/resume works fine. I have three relatively minor problems. 1) I can't seem to power down COM2 using the Thinkpad power conservation software without removing the card from the socket. The PCMCIA light remains on and the modem still works, after I have supposedly turned the port off. Would the Megahertz drivers work better? Am I missing some featue of Easy Play? 2) I also have somewhat the opposite problem. After coming out of hibernate mode I can't get the modem to respond, and, when I try, Crosstalk hangs the machine. Everything works fine after I reboot. 3) Speaking of Crosstalk, does anyone know what modem emulation to use for Crosstalk 2.0? I am now using Hayes Smartmodem 14.4. In Winfax 3.0 I am simply using the generic fax modem option. Is there a better choice. I would appreciate any advice. Bob Meister From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 13:08:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27723 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:08:28 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA22874; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:17:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:17:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA22856; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:17:35 -0500 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 2987; Mon, 07 Mar 94 13:17:33 EST Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 1391; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:17:33 EST Received: from ganga.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 07 Mar 94 13:17:31 EST Received: by ganga.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA19453; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:17:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:17:28 -0500 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9403071817.AA19453@ganga.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 750C Trackpoint drift... Status: OR > I've noticed during the first few minutes after power up that my > trackpoint drifts a bit after I take my finger off it. After a few > minutes, this drift goes away. Is this normal? Perhaps it monitors > the first few minutes and does a calibration to compensate for > differences between the strain gauges (which is how I assume it is > implemented)? I edited the autoexec.bat per the installation > instructions to use the proper mouse driver. I've noticed at random times (not necessarily at bootup) that my cursor will start drifting slowly for no apparent reason. It always seems to cure itself within 15 seconds or so. I've always assumed that this type of recalibration was normal. --andy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 13:24:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00672 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:23:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA25121; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:52:09 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:52:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from quality.tamu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA25088; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:52:02 -0500 Received: by quality.tamu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA10136; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 12:50:49 -0600 Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 12:50:49 -0600 From: joe@quality.tamu.edu (Joe Pignatiello) Message-Id: <9403071850.AA10136@quality.tamu.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Brightness control on TP750 Mono Cc: joe@quality.tamu.edu Status: OR I've had my TP750 Mono, 8 MB ram for about 2 weeks now. Everything seems fine (I guess) except that the brightness control slide bar (it is located to the right of the screen, below the contrast control slide bar) doesn't appear to have much of an impact. The contrast control slide bar works fine. Is it just my machine or does everyone else experience the same? --joe ==> (joe@quality.tamu.edu or jjp@tamu.edu) Phone: (409) 862-2081 Fax: (409) 847-9005 Joseph J. Pignatiello, Jr. 236B Zachry Engineering Center Industrial Engineering, Texas A&M University, College Station, TX 77843-3131 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 13:36:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03363 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:36:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA25880; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:01:16 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:01:15 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po6.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA25873; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:01:12 -0500 Received: from localhost (postman@localhost) by po6.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id OAA06500; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:01:06 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:01:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix9.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:00:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix9.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:59:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.14.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix9.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix9.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:59:46 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:59:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew A. Houghton" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Brightness control on TP750 Mono Cc: joe@quality.tamu.edu In-Reply-To: <9403071850.AA10136@quality.tamu.edu> References: <9403071850.AA10136@quality.tamu.edu> Status: OR Yeah.. the brightness control, IMHO, is about as useful as tits on a boar hog (as a friend used to say). It doesn't do much of anything on my mono, either, and IBM mobile support says it doesn't do much of anything on their monos. But -- if you're on battery power, a useful trick to know is PS2 BR N (assuming you're using the dos ps2 program) which turns the brightness up, and makes the brightness control have more of an impact. You'll use up more power this way (someone on this mailing list should know how much more), but it's worth it if you're having problems reading the dim screen. - Andrew P.S. The corresponding mode for economy is PS2 BR E From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 14:31:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13535 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:31:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA05453; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:46:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:45:59 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA05446; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:45:57 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA04896 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:45:39 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403071945.AA04896@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: TP750CE To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:45:38 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Arie Litman" at Mar 6, 94 01:41:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I heard of rumors that IBM in Europe is providing select customers > with a TP 750E and it is the same as the "C" but with a 496/66mz... > Would like to put my hands on one of there... It is available here in the States if you're royalty or some other sort of high profile person. We apparently have one person on this list who has this model -- it's actually called a 750CE. -Sean Chou From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 14:33:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13926 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:33:05 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA05969; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:54:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:54:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA05961; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:54:26 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA06597 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:54:09 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403071954.AA06597@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Hey, Hey, Sound and Gaming? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:54:08 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "darren mccabe" at Mar 6, 94 04:36:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Ok- I just bought a Colorado (something) "Gameport" serial game adapter, > and a Flightstick. Didn't work. Took it bak, and tried a diffrent > joystick, nope. Figured I must have a non-standard serial port, so I got > the Parallel adapter, and nope. Still didn't work. Well, of all this nonstandard things we have on our TPs, I do believe that the serial and parallel ports are rather standard unless, of course, you start to use the EPP parallel port, inc which case, I've heard that you must put it on LPT2 (apparently, the CE model doesn't have recognizable EPP at all). > Also, can I get some feedback from those of you using the "Dock 1" with a > CD-ROM and whatever else you managed to cram in there (says it takes a 1 > GB hard drive..). I've heard of some nonstandard SCSI connector in there. It takes one drive and one card (I think) besides the SCSI adapator. > And once more, do you think that the audio driver will ever be updated > enough to make our sound chips truly Soundblaster compatable, or are we > stuck with the PCjr of sound...a step up, but no farther? Well, for true Soundblaster compatibility, we'd have to have it at the hardware level. I think that, given the drivers are version 1.10 (and the Soundblaster emulation is at version 1.0), it's not all _that_ bad. Hey, we could be stuck with the Windows sound system... > Finally....what are some of the 3rd party devices you have running on your > TP's aside from Modems and memory? Anyone using inventive PCMCIA's, tape > backups, external items? And is there anyone that is switching back and > forth between 2 hard drives? I think most people have a PCMCIA modem. The second most popular item on this list is a network card. I don't recall anyone having a SCSI PCMCIA or Flash RAM (though someone does have a 5MB card that he has used before with his TP). I myself want to see the Bernoulli PCMCIA drive. I also plan to get an external tape drive as soon as I see OS/2 software that will support it. Also, I'd like to get a 540MB hard drive if that becomes available. > Curious, ain't I? Hey, aren't we all? :) > P.S. one more thing, could someone kick me in the right direction for > getting the latest drivers for my little $3K wonder? I really want to > squeeze what I can out of this machine! IBM NSC is the first place to check. Someone on this list (often myself) will usually let everyone know the minute something new comes out. I also monitor CompuServe's TP conference. I think I'll start cross-posting some of the more interesting messages... -Sean Chou From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 14:33:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13995 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:33:22 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA06640; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:00:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:00:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA06625; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:00:51 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA07778 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:00:30 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403072000.AA07778@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: TP Toughness & Modems To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:00:30 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199403062205.RAA00178@CS.UTK.EDU> from "John H. Kim" at Mar 6, 94 02:04:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Having material tested fiberglass and various metals, I tend to be more > trusting of the ruggedness of these materials. I've tossed it a few feet > onto the car seat or a couch. When its in the (Kensington) carrying case, Well, that makes me feel a little better. What model Kensington case do you have? I'm looking for a case and I've got my eyes set on the Deluxe model. It looks nice and roomy enough for some books as well as my TP. > When I called around asking about modems, only the AT&T and Practical > Peripherals gave a definite "yes" to having a 16550 UART. The PP is > supposed to be a clone of the AT&T. Nice to know the Megahertz has > joined the club. Coming from using the 16450 on the TP's serial port, > it makes a HUGE difference when multitasking under OS/2. I wasn't aware that the MHz had officially released their 16550 UART model. I'm glad though since, as you noticed, it makes a BIG difference. Especially, since I do things that bring my 16550 to it's knees while downloading.... :) > There are a couple other modems with firmware in EEPROM. Considering > the marginal cost of the PCMCIA modems, I'm surprised more full sized > modems don't use them. Then again, I suppose the modem companies wouldn't > make as much money then. I know of at least two other modems with firmware. It seems like a great idea, but let's hope that it sees some use! Most companies can still make a decent share of money by making us pay for major upgrades...and charging more initially. When I was seraching for my PCMCIA modem (not too long ago), the lowest price outside of Sparco for the KIT was around $450. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 14:35:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14553 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:35:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA06849; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:03:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:03:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA06842; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:03:03 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA08302 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:02:46 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403072002.AA08302@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Mouse speed To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:02:45 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199403062208.RAA00373@CS.UTK.EDU> from "John H. Kim" at Mar 6, 94 02:07:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > What we really need is for someone to write a device driver or TSR to > make the TrackPoint II emulate a joystick, tweak the sensitivity a > little so you can make straight up/down left/right turns. Well, that might be a little too much wear and tear for the poor little thing. What I really want is a way to increase the tracking speed of the Trackpoint II under OS/2. -Sean Chou From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 14:38:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15102 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:38:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA21856; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:01:16 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:01:12 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA21814; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 13:01:08 -0500 Message-Id: <199403071801.NAA21814@CS.UTK.EDU> Via: uk.ac.kingston; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:37:44 +0000 Received: from ceres.kingston.ac.uk by mercury.kingston.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <03345-0@mercury.kingston.ac.uk>; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:12:43 +0000 Received: from kingston.ac.uk by ceres.kingston.ac.uk id <13807-0@ceres.kingston.ac.uk>; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:10:46 +0000 From: Sergio Terenas Subject: IBM UK Customer Service... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: MMDF/Ream v4.16b Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:10:46 +0000 Original-Sender: cs_a175@kingston.ac.uk Status: OR Hi everyone, I've posted a message to the list a couple of weeks ago regarding the audio drivers I was looking for. 'Someone' actually proposed to email them to me if I couldn't get them from IBM. I've phoned IBM direct and complained a bit loud today to which the lady appologized a hundred times (they always do it). In the end she said my order has been placed (it's on their computer) but the drivers are not yet available in England. Am I supposed to believe in that ? NO, of course not. My brother worked for IBM last year, in Chile, and he knows well that they can just get it from the States through their network in only five minutes. Another problem is that I'm not the only one waiting for the drivers, she said there's a whole bunch of people waiting as well... but that I'll be the first one to receive them. (Oh yes, sure). I think I just have to wait, but in the meantime I'd like to know the latest version of each of the drivers I should receive. Anyone got any idea ? Also, since the topic has been discussed recently, anyone knows where I can get an 8Mb RAM PCMCIA ? Is it possible to get it from the States to England without paying any import tax ? Thanks in advance, Sergio Terenas From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 14:42:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15913 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:42:24 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA07752; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:12:15 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:12:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA07745; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:12:12 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA09769 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:11:55 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403072011.AA09769@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: sevice pak for OS2/2.1 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:11:54 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9403070326.AA0078@galahad.watson.ibm.com> from "John Reynolds" at Mar 6, 94 07:22:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR >I have just downloaded OS2 2.11 and after I have installed on the home and work >computers I plan to install on the laptop. Anyone have any experience with the >service pak and/or words of caution. Everything is currently working great with >OS2 on the 750c, would hate to mess it up. I've installed it on my TP750C. It all seems to work fine and I'm not experiencing any of the mentioned bugs. But I think that most people were having problems with S3 drivers -- mainly as a result of not reading the docs. I must add a caveat that I installed it on a fresh new copy of OS/2. It seems a little snappier as many have mentioned. I haven't checked the swap file though -- a lot of people are saying it doesn't shrink to the base level anymore. But I start mine at 10MB and it rarely goes over. -Sean Chou From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 15:19:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22991 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:19:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA11586; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:56:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:56:16 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA11578; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:56:14 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA18541 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:55:54 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403072055.AA18541@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Living with 16450 in Windows To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:55:53 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9403071517.AA11458@paradev1> from "Danny Padwa" at Mar 7, 94 10:17:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I've had some problems that seem to be related to this under Windows (DOS). > With a MegaHertz 14.4 PCMCIA modem, I had a tremendous number of restarts, etc > dowloading from IBM. My ppp software had similar problems....looks like > lots of data overruns, etc. The original MegaHertz PCMCIA modems did not have 16550 UARTs. And with any sort of multi-tasking, you can expect over-runs, etc. with a 16450 or 8250 UART. > But PC/Xremote and Winfax can both seem OK! Well, I would imagine since those are steadier transfers and you usually watch them rather than to do something else in the foreground, that would be the difference. But then again, it could just be better, safer, protocols... > Do the MhZ modems (I forget my model number....I'll check tonight) have > 16550 (or emulation or whatever?). Or am I condemned to slow downloads > until I get my ISDN line (don't hold your breath)?? The XJ114 didn't have it but a MHz rep on our list has told us that they do now have them. You might want to see if you can get an upgrade or some sort of exchange deal. You might want to check out alternative, third party, comm drivers for Windows -- Turbocomm comes to mind. They are supposed to be leaps and bounds better. Also, don't run any DOS comm programs since Windows can't virtualize the 16550 UART to DOS sessions (although Turbocomm can). And lastly, keep it in the foreground or minimized (or both). From jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca Mon Mar 7 15:20:31 1994 Received: from epas.utoronto.ca by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23133 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:20:28 -0600 Received: by epas.utoronto.ca (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA12313; Mon, 7 Mar 94 16:09:46 -0500 From: jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca (James Cummings) Message-Id: <9403072109.AA12313@epas.utoronto.ca> Subject: Re: Autoexec & config.sys To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:09:45 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <199403072112.AA21757@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Mar 7, 94 03:12:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 658 Status: OR Thanks tons.. just a couple questions. (God aren't I annoying!) It has been written by the hand of Sean Chou that: >DEVICE=c:\dos\ramboost.exe load Is this IBM Dos 6.1? OR MSDos6.2? I'm using MSDOS, and couldn't get both Ramboost and Memaker to work ;-) >DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.SYS C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.INI I don't have this one. What is it for? External drive? >DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS Nor this one. What is it for, a stand alone package I assume? > >Hope those help! > Yup thank-you very much.. I'll try them a little later this evening. -JAmes jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca | 1994: Official Year of The Toronto Free-Net. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 15:26:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24158 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:26:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA11767; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:00:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:00:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from epas.utoronto.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA11742; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:59:56 -0500 Received: by epas.utoronto.ca (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA08712; Mon, 7 Mar 94 15:48:33 -0500 From: jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca (James Cummings) Message-Id: <9403072048.AA08712@epas.utoronto.ca> Subject: Re: Brightness control on TP750 Mono To: ah0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew A. Houghton) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:48:31 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Think-Pad 750 Mailing list) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew A. Houghton" at Mar 7, 94 01:59:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR It has been written by the hand of Andrew A. Houghton that: > >Yeah.. the brightness control, IMHO, is about as useful as tits on a >boar hog (as a friend used to say). It doesn't do much of anything on >my mono, either, and IBM mobile support says it doesn't do much of >anything on their monos. > >But -- if you're on battery power, a useful trick to know is > >PS2 BR N (assuming you're using the dos ps2 program) > >which turns the brightness up, and makes the brightness control have >more of an impact. You'll use up more power this way (someone on this >mailing list should know how much more), but it's worth it if you're >having problems reading the dim screen. > >- Andrew > >P.S. The corresponding mode for economy is PS2 BR E I noticed in comparing the tp750 and the tp750cs (and the 750c) that the brightness control is MUCH more effective (like by 200%) on the 750cs is there any reason why they couldn't have done this on the mono as well? > > -James jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca | 1994: Official Year of The Toronto Free-Net. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 15:26:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24181 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:26:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA11749; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:59:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:59:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA11741; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:59:54 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA19465 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:59:37 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403072059.AA19465@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Games that work To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:59:36 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9403071800.AA28410@opus.objy.com> from "Bruce Reed" at Mar 7, 94 10:00:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Have you gotten the audio to work with any games? I've got a similar > setup for games and I haven't gotten audio to work in Doom, Lemmings, > or Xwing. About the only thing that works is sound under Windows. I'd like to include a list of games that have been found to work with the TP in our FAQ. If everyone would send me a list of the games that work, the type of emulation supported (SB, Adlib, etc), and any tricks necessary to get it to work, I'd appreciate it. > What level drivers are you using? I'm using the audio diskette that came > with the system, I believe it's V1.1. Hmm...my TP came with the terrible v1.0 audio drivers...but I am using the more recent v1.1 drivers now. > I realize this stuff works much better under OS/2. I do plan on installing > it after I get more memory. It often works better just because so many things are already virtualized, it much easier to fool software. Also, it's nice to have close to 640K with all the emulation software loaded in already. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 15:35:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25834 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:34:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA12372; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:07:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:07:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA12365; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:07:19 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA20596 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:07:02 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403072107.AA20596@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: IBM UK Customer Service... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:07:02 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199403071801.NAA21814@CS.UTK.EDU> from "Sergio Terenas" at Mar 7, 94 04:10:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I've posted a message to the list a couple of weeks ago regarding the audio > drivers I was looking for. 'Someone' actually proposed to email them to me > if I couldn't get them from IBM. I've phoned IBM direct and complained a bit > loud today to which the lady appologized a hundred times (they always do it). The best way to do it is to just recieve it via email. The disk isn't that impressive to behold anyway... :) > only five minutes. Another problem is that I'm not the only one waiting for > the drivers, she said there's a whole bunch of people waiting as well... but > that I'll be the first one to receive them. (Oh yes, sure). I've always wondered about that...how hard can it be for a company that large to copy disks, package them, and send them out. Hell, I myself just d/l 21 CSD OS/2 2.11 disk and copied them out, then put them on disk... > I think I just have to wait, but in the meantime I'd like to know the latest > version of each of the drivers I should receive. Anyone got any idea ? Video Drivers 1.20 Audio Drivers 1.10 Utilities 1.12 Monologue (don't bother) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 15:38:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26516 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:38:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA12676; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:10:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:10:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from epas.utoronto.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA12664; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:10:51 -0500 Received: by epas.utoronto.ca (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA10673; Mon, 7 Mar 94 15:59:51 -0500 From: jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca (James Cummings) Message-Id: <9403072059.AA10673@epas.utoronto.ca> Subject: [FN] keys. To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Think-Pad 750 Mailing list) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:59:50 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR I've now hooked up an external keyboard for my port replicator, and have a question. Is there anyway to duplicate the [FN] keys? One of the ones I specifically want to duplicate is the switching of Monitors, as well as audioup/down. I really like the trackpoint. Does anyone market an external verson for all those other laptop users..hmm though I supposeit wouldn't be as effective not on the keyboard.. oh well. Oh another note, wbrought on by the discussion of missing pixels (haven't noticed any on my mono.. but hey.. it's mono...) How should one clean the screen? I used a soft cloth designed for glasses. just curious. Tanks, James jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca | 1994: Official Year of The Toronto Free-Net. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 15:44:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27766 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:44:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA13087; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:15:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:15:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from epas.utoronto.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA13059; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:15:33 -0500 Received: by epas.utoronto.ca (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA08016; Mon, 7 Mar 94 15:44:13 -0500 From: jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca (James Cummings) Message-Id: <9403072044.AA08016@epas.utoronto.ca> Subject: Re: 750C Trackpoint drift... To: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:44:11 -0500 (EST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9403071817.AA19453@ganga.watson.ibm.com> from "Andrew Stevens" at Mar 7, 94 01:17:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR It has been written by the hand of Andrew Stevens that: > > >> I've noticed during the first few minutes after power up that my >> trackpoint drifts a bit after I take my finger off it. After a few >> minutes, this drift goes away. Is this normal? Perhaps it monitors >> the first few minutes and does a calibration to compensate for >> differences between the strain gauges (which is how I assume it is >> implemented)? I edited the autoexec.bat per the installation >> instructions to use the proper mouse driver. > >I've noticed at random times (not necessarily at bootup) that my >cursor will start drifting slowly for no apparent reason. It always >seems to cure itself within 15 seconds or so. I've always assumed >that this type of recalibration was normal. > >--andy For an explanation as to why this happens is in the trouble-shoot section of the tp750/750C users guide. 7-11. A lot of time I've noticed that it will do it if I have taken the machine out in the cold (in it's carrying case of course) and then back into a warm library. This must be one of the things it means when it says this can be caused by changes in "environmental temperature" -James jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca | 1994: Official Year of The Toronto Free-Net. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 15:50:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28880 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:50:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA14136; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:28:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:28:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA14127; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:28:15 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA24385 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:27:57 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403072127.AA24385@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Autoexec & config.sys To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:27:56 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9403072109.AA12313@epas.utoronto.ca> from "James Cummings" at Mar 7, 94 04:09:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > >DEVICE=c:\dos\ramboost.exe load > > Is this IBM Dos 6.1? OR MSDos6.2? I'm using MSDOS, and couldn't > get both Ramboost and Memaker to work ;-) This is a PC-DOS 6.1 feature. MSDOS has memmaker, I believe... > >DEVICE=C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.SYS C:\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.INI > > I don't have this one. What is it for? External drive? This is part of the 1.12 utilities diskette. If you don't have it, then you should get it if you use PCMCIA at all. It makes life much easier... > >DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\IFSHLP.SYS > > Nor this one. What is it for, a stand alone package I assume? This is a Windows for Workgroups file. As long as you're not running it (which, BTW, if you must run DOS/Win, I would highly recommend WFW3.11), there's no need to worry. > Yup thank-you very much.. I'll try them a little later this evening. Remember to modify them accordingly. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 15:54:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29673 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:54:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA14524; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:31:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:31:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from epas.utoronto.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA14517; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:31:15 -0500 Received: by epas.utoronto.ca (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA14055; Mon, 7 Mar 94 16:20:22 -0500 From: jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca (James Cummings) Message-Id: <9403072120.AA14055@epas.utoronto.ca> Subject: using unit closed To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Think-Pad 750 Mailing list) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:20:21 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Just another quick question. For some, as yet unexplained, reason my tp750 seems to beep when I am using it closed. It is closed, I'm using an external monitor keyboard etc. through a port replicator. So How come every minute or two, ireggularly, it seems to beep, with no beep coming from the program? -James jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca | 1994: Official Year of The Toronto Free-Net. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 16:33:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08520 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:33:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA07284; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:07:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:07:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA07271; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 15:07:34 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA09021 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:07:17 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403072007.AA09021@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: More modems... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 14:07:16 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Andrew A. Houghton" at Mar 6, 94 05:20:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Well, for what it's worth, I have an Intel 14.4/14.4 PCMCIA modem. > Works fine, so far. I haven't really pushed it too much, though. Well, that makes us owners of MegaHertz, AT&T KIT, Robotics, and Intel modems... > Lately I've not been travelling, and my desktop machine is leaps > & bounds better than my TP. Hey, hey, now. This is some of our only machines... :) > I'm using Intel's drivers. They're made by SystemSoft, and they were > much much better than the 1st set of IBM's drivers. Haven't tried > EasyPlay yet. Actually, with everything loaded, using DOS 6.2, I've > got around 560K of mem left. Not terrific (we're so spoiled, in these I got actually managed to get over 600K using the new IBM drivers. I posted my config.sys and autoexec.bat to the list. It also includes a multi-boot option for game play... > or 16450 on the PCMCIA cards is interesting, but needs to be qualified > -- it's all emulation, and he was wondering whether the 16550 > emulation really made a difference over 16450 emulation, since it's > not really hardware but software based. > > But, of course, it could be that I'm wrong. I believe that you are wrong here. The PCMCIA cards with 16550 UART "emulation" have it on the hardware level. It's not the traditional UART since it's not a serial port thus it's not the real thing. But there is a real buffer in the card and that's what makes the difference. -Sean Chou From whittle@chaph.usc.edu Mon Mar 7 18:40:00 1994 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28817 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 18:39:56 -0600 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA19824; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:38:45 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id QAA02380; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:38:41 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199403080038.QAA02380@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Anybody got their little name plate? To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Mon, 7 Mar 1994 16:38:41 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199403072107.AA20596@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Mar 7, 94 03:07:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 669 Status: OR Just curious--I have not yet received my nameplate and I sent the card in when I got the machine about 6 or more weeks ago. Has anyone else gotten theirs? > > version of each of the drivers I should receive. Anyone got any idea ? > > Video Drivers 1.20 > Audio Drivers 1.10 > Utilities 1.12 > Monologue (don't bother) Hey! I think its cute! (Not very useful, but cute!) ----- Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48 & 100LX user, and...*Proud* to be Conservative! "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 18:42:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29202 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 18:42:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA25631; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 19:16:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 19:16:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from vms.macc.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA25623; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 19:16:36 -0500 Received: from VMSmail by vms.macc.wisc.edu; Mon, 07 Mar 94 18:16 CDT Message-Id: <24030718160028@vms.macc.wisc.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 94 18:16 CDT From: Chris Schumann Subject: Driver versions To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Vms-To: IN%"tp750@cs.utk.edu" Status: OR (I know I am going to regret this, but...) With all this talk of drivers, could someone (else) collect the versions of ThinkPad device driver versions, or even archive them on an ftp site? A list that gets posted periodically, or is at a URL for downloading on demand would be great. Also, a way to check which drivers I have installed would be a nice feature to have on the list. Alas, I already have one irregulary posted list to take care of, and I hate calling IBM's BBS. Will someone step forward??? YOU, perhaps? chris From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 7 18:44:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29352 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 18:43:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA26027; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 19:24:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 19:24:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from vms.macc.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA26017; Mon, 7 Mar 1994 19:24:00 -0500 Received: from VMSmail by vms.macc.wisc.edu; Mon, 07 Mar 94 18:23 CDT Message-Id: <24030718232495@vms.macc.wisc.edu> Date: Mon, 07 Mar 94 18:23 CDT From: Chris Schumann Subject: Brightness control To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Vms-To: IN%"tp750@cs.utk.edu" Status: OR Just my $0.02. My 750P has its controls on the side (and I've already bent one of the protective ledges covering them...) but my brightness control has a very large effect on image quality. It really brightens the whites, while leaving black black. I have not tried the PS2 BR E, to see if its just stuck in the N mode. Let me try... No effect. PS2 BR has no effect on my system. I usually keep the brightness all the way down when unplugged. chris From halinatr@gwis.circ.gwu.edu Mon Mar 7 23:18:24 1994 Received: from gwis.circ.gwu.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06665 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Mar 1994 23:18:22 -0600 Received: from localhost (halinatr@localhost) by gwis.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id AAA13137; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 00:20:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 00:15:43 -0500 (EST) From: darren mccabe Subject: Re: Mouse speed To: Sean Chou Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199403072002.AA08302@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Actually, I was using the TPII to play NHL Hockey, and it worked fairly well, certianlly better than a mouse, but then I began to worry about jamming on it too much (Those cross-ice checks and all) and got real paranoid that I damaged it. I don't think I did, but it worried me. Anyone out there put the TPII to the stress test yet? Seems if that breaks, you have to replace the entire keyboard. Speaking of which, anyone else have the writing come off their keys yet? I've had my TP for about 3 months, and the "paint" is almost totally gone off the [right shift] key. , and is fading on the arrows and all the other keys with that yellor "paint". Anyone else? ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Darren Patrick McCabe "Hal" | Mail: Halinatr@gwis.circ.gwu.edu | |-------------------------------|------------------------------------------| | Work: Gnossos Software, Inc | School: The George Washington University | | 1625 K St, NW, Suite 410 | Graduate School of Political Management| | Washington, DC 20006 | PADI Open Water Scuba Instructor #57901 | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | "I want to decide who lives and who dies" - Crow T. Robot, MST3K | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Mon, 7 Mar 1994, Sean Chou wrote: > > What we really need is for someone to write a device driver or TSR to > > make the TrackPoint II emulate a joystick, tweak the sensitivity a > > little so you can make straight up/down left/right turns. > > Well, that might be a little too much wear and tear for the poor > little thing. > > What I really want is a way to increase the tracking speed of the > Trackpoint II under OS/2. > > -Sean Chou From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 01:41:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20413 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 01:41:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA19802; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 02:04:37 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 02:04:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA19795; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 02:04:34 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA18065 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 01:04:17 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403080704.AA18065@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: [FN] keys. To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 01:04:16 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9403072059.AA10673@epas.utoronto.ca> from "James Cummings" at Mar 7, 94 03:59:36 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I really like the trackpoint. Does anyone market an external verson > for all those other laptop users..hmm though I supposeit wouldn't be > as effective not on the keyboard.. oh well. IBM Direct has an external keyboard that has a TrackPoint II in it. I've been looking at that one for a while now and if I get a desktop, that will probably be my keyboard of choice... > (haven't noticed any on my mono.. but hey.. it's mono...) How should > one clean the screen? I used a soft cloth designed for glasses. just > curious. I just use soft cloth or my t-shirts. No problem yet... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 01:43:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20547 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 01:43:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA20002; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 02:07:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 02:07:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA19994; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 02:07:56 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA18267 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 01:07:39 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403080707.AA18267@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Anybody got their little name plate? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 01:07:38 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199403080038.QAA02380@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Mar 7, 94 04:38:27 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Just curious--I have not yet received my nameplate and I sent the > card in when I got the machine about 6 or more weeks ago. > > Has anyone else gotten theirs? I got mine about two weeks ago. It's a nice little touch I think... and it has been most impressive to my friends except one who asked if it was tape stuck on.. :( > > Monologue (don't bother) > > Hey! I think its cute! (Not very useful, but cute!) Yeah, cute maybe. I would appreciate it more if the voice was more soothing -- and definately female (although I don't know how much my girlfriend would appreciate that). Also, it would be nice if someone could figure out how to get sounds under WIN-OS2. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 01:51:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20926 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 01:51:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA20267; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 02:11:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 02:11:03 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA20260; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 02:11:01 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA18419 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 01:10:44 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403080710.AA18419@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Driver versions To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 01:10:43 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <24030718160028@vms.macc.wisc.edu> from "Chris Schumann" at Mar 7, 94 06:15:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > With all this talk of drivers, could someone (else) > collect the versions of ThinkPad device driver > versions, or even archive them on an ftp site? John Kim and I both tried this a while ago only to come up against IBM's no-electronic distribution policy... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 01:54:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21140 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 01:54:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA21058; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 02:25:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 02:25:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id CAA21051; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 02:25:54 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA19398 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 01:25:36 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403080725.AA19398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: TPII and Keys To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 01:25:35 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "darren mccabe" at Mar 8, 94 00:15:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I don't think I did, but it worried me. Anyone out there put the TPII to > the stress test yet? Seems if that breaks, you have to replace the entire > keyboard. I've heard that someone broke their TPII but I don't think anyone on this list ever has. Stanley Wasserman lets his kids use his and they don't seem to ever damage it much (he also had a TP700 for a year with no problems)... > Speaking of which, anyone else have the writing come off their keys yet? > I've had my TP for about 3 months, and the "paint" is almost totally gone > off the [right shift] key. , and is fading on the arrows and all the other > keys with that yellor "paint". Yeah, my 'N' key is fading, as well as the ones you pointed out. I think it's no big deal since I'm a touch typist but for asthetics, you can always paint them back on... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 02:25:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24743 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 02:25:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA22836; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 03:00:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 03:00:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.cs.hmc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA22823; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 03:00:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199403080800.DAA22823@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: [FN] keys. To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 0:00:20 PST From: "John H. Kim" In-Reply-To: <199403080704.AA18065@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>; from "Sean Chou" at Mar 8, 94 1:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR > > I really like the trackpoint. Does anyone market an external verson > > for all those other laptop users..hmm though I supposeit wouldn't be > > as effective not on the keyboard.. oh well. > > IBM Direct has an external keyboard that has a TrackPoint II in it. > I've been looking at that one for a while now and if I get a desktop, > that will probably be my keyboard of choice... Somebody on comp.sys.laptops just announced that IBM now has TWO such keyboards. One is the crippled keyboard w/o the numeric keypad, the other is a full blown 101-key keyboard. Both cost just shy of $200. From meister@cats.ucsc.edu Tue Mar 8 02:39:59 1994 Received: from cats.ucsc.edu (cats-po-1.UCSC.EDU) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25348 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 02:39:57 -0600 Received: from buddy.ucsc.edu by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id AAA11608; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 00:40:07 -0800 From: meister@cats.ucsc.edu Received: from localhost by buddy.ucsc.edu (8.6.4/4.7) id AAA23207; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 00:40:06 -0800 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 00:40:06 -0800 Message-Id: <199403080840.AAA23207@buddy.ucsc.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: [FN] keys. Status: OR Be careful about buying the Trackpoint II external keyboard. I got one for my Gateway desktop because I found I prefer the trackpoint to the mouse. It turns out the trackpoint requires that you have a PS2 mouseport. It does not seem to work on a serial port. It turns out Logitech makes an adaptor so that you can use its PS2 mouse on a serial port. I got one, andthe Trackpoint still does not work. It works fine, however, on my kids' Dell machine, which comes with the PS2 ports. No one at IBM or Gateway seems interested in solving this problem, so I will probably end up returning the keyboard. Bob Meister From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 03:03:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26447 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 03:03:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA25906; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 03:38:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 03:38:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dogwood.cs.scarolina.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id DAA25897; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 03:37:59 -0500 Received: by usceast.cs.scarolina.edu (cs.grandpoobah.030594) From: Robert Castles Message-Id: <9403080837.AA26757@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu> Subject: TP-II keyboard for PC's To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Mar 94 3:37:55 EST X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR I beleive this keyboard with the TP-II is for PS/2 type computers only. If I find that I can attach this keyboard to my ISA/EISA machine with a standard keyboard connector and use the mouse with OS/2, DOS, and Linux then I will GLADLY fork out $200. I hate mouse controllers. I hate mouse controllers! I hate mouse controllers!! :-> However, I enjoy using the TP-II as my hands do not have to leave the keyboard. castles@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 06:17:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16344 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 06:17:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id GAA01908; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 06:57:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 06:57:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id GAA01901; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 06:57:46 -0500 Received: from werple.apana.org.au by yarrina.connect.com.au with SMTP id AA06731 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 21:57:44 +1000 Received: from localhost (guardian@localhost) by werple.apana.org.au (8.6.5/8.6.5) id VAA13961; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 21:57:25 +1000 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 21:56:48 +1000 (EST) From: Nick Allan Subject: ibm bbs To: thinkpad mailinglist Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hi all I was wondering, can anyone tell me the phone number for ibm bbs? Thanks From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 06:29:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16583 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 06:29:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA02532; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 07:08:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 07:08:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gwis.circ.gwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id HAA02503; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 07:08:21 -0500 Received: from localhost (halinatr@localhost) by gwis.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id GAA16917; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 06:07:46 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 06:03:35 -0500 (EST) From: darren mccabe Subject: Memory MANIAC! To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="AAA15419.763105202/gwis.circ.gwu.edu" Status: OR --AAA15419.763105202/gwis.circ.gwu.edu Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII --AAA15419.763105202/gwis.circ.gwu.edu Content-Type: MESSAGE/RFC822 Content-ID: Return-Path: halinatr Received: from localhost (halinatr@localhost) by gwis.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) id AAA15417; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 00:39:52 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 00:28:03 -0500 (EST) From: darren mccabe Subject: Memory MANIAC! To: tp750@cts.utk.edu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Why am I such a spaz? Based on my previous post, I decided to cancel my IBM memory order and get some cheap 3rd party stuff. Called my IBM rep, she said she'd mail out the return labels right away. We'll see how fast they react when I mail it back! I got a handy-dandy Computer Shopper, read the entire thing!, and called a bunch of places today. I got so wound up that I decided to go for the 16mb upgrade, to take me to a blazing 20MB! (Like I need that much). So I found it at Alamo Components for $859..Then I called First Source, and they quoted me like $999, so I said "Ok, than.." and the person jumped out an said "Well how much were you looking to spend on it?" I said I'd found it chaper, and he lowered the price to $839. Exciting story, right? No, but humor me. I nearly spent $500 for 4MB from IBM, yet, the sole existance of this usersgroup allowed me to purchase 4 times the memory for not even twice the cost. What can I say? I will be cheking with this group before I buy anything else, and will keep everyone posted on my experiance. This group is like...well, like a really cool users group. I want you to stand up, that's right, get up out of your chair and give your self a big round of applause. You deserve iy. Yes you. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- | Darren Patrick McCabe "Hal" | Mail: Halinatr@gwis.circ.gwu.edu | |-------------------------------|------------------------------------------| | Work: Gnossos Software, Inc | School: The George Washington University | | 1625 K St, NW, Suite 410 | Graduate School of Political Management| | Washington, DC 20006 | PADI Open Water Scuba Instructor #57901 | |--------------------------------------------------------------------------| | "I want to decide who lives and who dies" - Crow T. Robot, MST3K | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --AAA15419.763105202/gwis.circ.gwu.edu-- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 08:01:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20943 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 08:01:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA08009; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 08:28:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 08:28:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hk.super.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id IAA08001; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 08:28:17 -0500 Received: by hk.super.net id AA22162 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 21:28:11 +0800 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 21:28:11 +0800 From: "Mr. Tony K Ng" Message-Id: <199403081328.AA22162@hk.super.net> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Hi all, I also gotta problem of too less conventional memor. I remember someone getting 601K after installing those PCMCIA drivers. But I have deleted the sample config.sys file by accident. Could you please send that to me again? I need it for reference. Thanks a lot! tonyng@hk.super.net -Tony From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 10:57:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13677 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 10:57:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA25637; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 11:15:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 11:15:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from s.psych.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA25629; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 11:15:50 -0500 Received: from kentucky (kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu) by s.psych.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08574 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 10:15:31 -0600 Received: by kentucky (4.1/9.7) id AA06588; Tue, 8 Mar 94 10:25:46 CST From: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Message-Id: <9403081625.AA06588@kentucky> Subject: Re: TPII and Keys and Keyboards To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 10:25:46 -0600 (CST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199403080725.AA19398@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Mar 8, 94 01:25:35 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL2] Content-Type: text Status: OR Dear all: Sean Chou says: ---> --->> I don't think I did, but it worried me. Anyone out there put the TPII to --->> the stress test yet? Seems if that breaks, you have to replace the entire --->> keyboard. ---> --->I've heard that someone broke their TPII but I don't think anyone --->on this list ever has. Stanley Wasserman lets his kids use his --->and they don't seem to ever damage it much (he also had a TP700 for --->a year with no problems)... This is indeed true. My kids (13 and 9) have pounded away on TP keyboards. But keep in mind that these machines are laptops, not desk machines. Their keyboards are designed to be light in weight, which probably is not compatible with "sturdy" or "everlasting". I recommend to you all that if you are going to pound on the keys, that you get an external keyboard. After all, what is another $200 when you have already plunked down several big ones to buy a TP? Use the laptop keyboard only when you are "on the road". It is real easy to plug in a PS/2 external keyboard to use when you are at a desk at home. And IBM does indeed manufacture one with the wonderful little TPII. SW ---> --->> Speaking of which, anyone else have the writing come off their keys yet? --->> I've had my TP for about 3 months, and the "paint" is almost totally gone --->> off the [right shift] key. , and is fading on the arrows and all the other --->> keys with that yellor "paint". ---> --->Yeah, my 'N' key is fading, as well as the ones you pointed out. I --->think it's no big deal since I'm a touch typist but for asthetics, --->you can always paint them back on... ---> -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stanley Wasserman Professor of Psychology, University of Illinois Statistics, and Sociology Professor, Beckman Institute ****************************************************************************** stanwass@uiuc.edu * sswibm@uiucvmd.bitnet * ********************* * 217 333-3325 * 217 244-6905 * 217 244-5876 (fax) * ****************************************************************************** From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 11:18:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18276 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 11:18:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA28701; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 11:52:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 11:52:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from epas.utoronto.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA28694; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 11:52:26 -0500 Received: by epas.utoronto.ca (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA07418; Tue, 8 Mar 94 11:49:07 -0500 From: jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca (James Cummings) Message-Id: <9403081649.AA07418@epas.utoronto.ca> Subject: Re: TPII and Keys and Keyboards (fwd) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Think-Pad 750 Mailing list) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 11:49:03 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR It has been written by the hand of jcumming that: >From jcumming Tue Mar 8 11:47:49 1994 Subject: Re: TPII and Keys and Keyboards To: stanwass@kentucky.psych.uiuc.edu (Stanley Wasserman) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 11:47:49 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <9403081625.AA06588@kentucky> from "Stanley Wasserman" at Mar 8, 94 10:25:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1448 It has been written by the hand of Stanley Wasserman that: >This is indeed true. My kids (13 and 9) have pounded away on TP keyboards. >But keep in mind that these machines are laptops, not desk machines. >Their keyboards are designed to be light in weight, which probably is > not compatible with "sturdy" or "everlasting". >I recommend to you all that if you are going to pound on the keys, that > you get an external keyboard. After all, what is another $200 when you > have already plunked down several big ones to buy a TP? >Use the laptop keyboard only when you are "on the road". It is real > easy to plug in a PS/2 external keyboard to use when you are at > a desk at home. >And IBM does indeed manufacture one with the wonderful little TPII. > I recently have started doing this. I just wanted to note that it is a bit of a *tight* squeeze in my case. You see I have an adapter going from a regular sized keyboard to a PS/2 keyboard. The keyboard port on my port replicator is *right* next to the video port. The two plugs are very tightly prssed against each other. because of the size of each of the plugs. *sigh* Anyways.. I'm still having this problem that my unit beeps everyonce and awhile while I'm using it closed...for absolutely no reason. Think I'll phone Ibm Canada later today and ask'em about it. -James jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca | 1994: Official Year of The Toronto Free-Net. jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca | 1994: Official Year of The Toronto Free-Net. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 15:40:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11864 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:40:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17066; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:09:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:09:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17058; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:09:36 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA05254 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:09:16 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403082109.AA05254@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: TP-II keyboard for PC's To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:09:15 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9403080837.AA26757@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu> from "Robert Castles" at Mar 8, 94 03:37:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I beleive this keyboard with the TP-II is for PS/2 type computers only. No, I think you just need a PS/2 port. I wonder if IBM has a PS/2 to keyboard port adapter for it though. They have a PS/2 port to keyboard adapter for external keyboards for the TP750s... > If I find that I can attach this keyboard to my ISA/EISA machine with a > standard keyboard connector and use the mouse with OS/2, DOS, and Linux > then I will GLADLY fork out $200. I hate mouse controllers. I hate > mouse controllers! I hate mouse controllers!! :-> What are you trying to say? Do you not like mouse controllers? :) I don't think $200 is too bad -- $100 for a good keyboard and $100 for a good mouse... > However, I enjoy using the TP-II as my hands do not have to leave the > keyboard. I'm addicted to it. I look for TPII when on any machine nowadays and mice just seem so bothersome... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 15:41:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12004 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:41:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA16847; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:06:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:06:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA16830; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:06:51 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA04807 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:06:33 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403082106.AA04807@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Keyboard w/ TPII To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:06:32 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199403080840.AAA23207@buddy.ucsc.edu> from "meister@cats.ucsc.edu" at Mar 8, 94 00:39:52 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Be careful about buying the Trackpoint II external keyboard. > I got one for my Gateway desktop because I found I prefer the > trackpoint to the mouse. It turns out the trackpoint requires > that you have a PS2 mouseport. It does not seem to work on I've always been a big supporter of the PS2 port myself though. I think it's so much handier than having to have to use a serial port for the mouse... That leaves the question of what to do with the regular keyboard port though... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 15:41:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12044 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:41:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17612; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:17:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:17:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17599; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:17:24 -0500 Received: from [128.120.18.112] by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (8.6.5/UCD2.50) id MAA08186; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 12:47:05 -0800 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 12:47:05 -0800 Message-Id: <199403082047.MAA08186@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Randal Whittle From: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Subject: Re: Anybody got their little name plate? Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > Just curious--I have not yet received my nameplate and I sent the >card in when I got the machine about 6 or more weeks ago. > > Has anyone else gotten theirs? > > I ordered mine in mid Nov. and received it about two months later. It is a nice touch, and fit well in the little indentation made for it. Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 15:44:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12496 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:44:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17221; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:12:11 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:12:10 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA17213; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:12:08 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA05762 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:11:50 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403082111.AA05762@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: IBM NSC BBS number To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:11:49 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: from "Nick Allan" at Mar 8, 94 09:56:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Okay all, here's the number for IBM NSC BBS. Please write it down! You should be ashamed of not having it if you don't! :) IBM NSC BBS (919)517-0001 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 16:00:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15643 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:00:28 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA19088; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:31:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:31:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA19080; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:31:30 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA09928 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:31:11 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403082131.AA09928@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: TP750CE To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:31:09 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199403081743.JAA05768@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Mar 8, 94 09:42:54 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > Could be...but are you sure you're not thinking of the 700s with > > that funky IBM SLC2/50 CPU? > > Nope--just a normal Intel 50 MHz DX2. Its only slightly faster than > a 33 (and in some cases, not *as* fast)--frankly, I don't see the point. (By > the way, the IBM version was, IMO, a good chip!) Well, a DX2/50 isn't really worth it then. I prefer a 33 or DX2/66. I guesss the SLC2/50 was okay. I've never really run it but it had decent benchmarks. I hope that IBM can develop an upgrade for our TPs...I'd hate to see it go obsolete too soon... > Oh....yuck. I'm sorry to hear that. Ami Pro iss my word processor > of choice (under Windows)--to have a rotten OS/2 version is *not* good... Yeah, Ami Pro is my fav word processor too. Although I am impressed by Word 6.0 (even with all it's bugs) and WordPerfect 6.0. Both of them show quite some work and polish. I am eagerly awaiting Lotus' next version. As to the rotten OS/2 version, I guess we have to remember that they wrote it from ground up and it'll take a bit to catch up, but Lotus has pledged to keep the OS/2 and Windows versions as close as possible... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 16:06:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16704 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:06:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA19573; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:37:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:37:10 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from quality.tamu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA19561; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 16:37:07 -0500 Received: by quality.tamu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA13755; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:35:51 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:35:51 -0600 From: joe@quality.tamu.edu (Joe Pignatiello) Message-Id: <9403082135.AA13755@quality.tamu.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Communications/FAX Software Cc: joe@quality.tamu.edu Status: OR What communications/FAX software packages are TP750'ers using and recommending for use with DOS/Windows? --joe PS: For what it's worth, I just got my AT&T KIT modem --from Sparco-- and it did not have the connector: it was the "2-piece" version. ==> (joe@quality.tamu.edu or jjp@tamu.edu) Phone: (409) 862-2081 Fax: (409) 847-9005 Joseph J. Pignatiello, Jr. 236B Zachry Engineering Center Industrial Engineering, Texas A&M University, College Station, TX 77843-3131 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 17:19:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00763 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 17:19:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA24853; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 17:55:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 17:55:56 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id RAA24845; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 17:55:53 -0500 Received: from [128.120.18.112] by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (8.6.5/UCD2.50) id OAA23827; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 14:28:04 -0800 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 14:28:04 -0800 Message-Id: <199403082228.OAA23827@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Subject: PORT CARRYING CASES Status: OR About a month ago I asked for recommendations on carrying cases. I had the Port literature. I got their number (800-242-3133) from the "Thank you's from ThinkPad". Also Randal Whittle (the self described chocolate and motorcycle freak) of this group suggested Port. At the time, however, I was leaning toward Targus. After looking at the Targus cases, I was not impressed by their quality or the protection they provided. So I ordered a Port 886X (black leather for that ostentatious power look that I crave). This case is outstanding! Pictures don't do them justice. I am sure the hardware could be certified for use on the space shuttle. It has a neat suspension system which cradles and protects the TP from mechanical shock. Everything fits beautifully. The person I spoke with at Port was totally into case design, and he discussed features for about 30 min. Like the TP750, the details of these cases are extremely well designed. They are offered at a considerable discount, and the non-leather models can be purchased for around $150. The only disadvantage of which I am aware is that these cases are a little heavier than other soft cases. But I think it is a reasonable trade off for the added protection. They might also attract thieves, but this is true of any laptop stuff. Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 17:35:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03573 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 17:35:43 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA25347; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 18:02:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 18:02:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ucdavis.ucdavis.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA25338; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 18:02:53 -0500 Received: from [128.120.18.112] by ucdavis.ucdavis.edu (8.6.5/UCD2.50) id OAA25611; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 14:40:11 -0800 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 14:40:11 -0800 Message-Id: <199403082240.OAA25611@ucdavis.ucdavis.edu> X-Sender: sztarkin@bullwinkle.ucdavis.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Sean Chou From: bktarkington@ucdavis.edu (Brian K. Tarkington) Subject: Re: AmiPro Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Sean Chou wrote: > >Yeah, Ami Pro is my fav word processor too. Although I am impressed >by Word 6.0 (even with all it's bugs) and WordPerfect 6.0. Both of >them show quite some work and polish. I am eagerly awaiting Lotus' >next version. > >As to the rotten OS/2 version, I guess we have to remember that >they wrote it from ground up and it'll take a bit to catch up, but >Lotus has pledged to keep the OS/2 and Windows versions as close >as possible... I have the "rotten" OS/2 version, and it is really not that bad. It needs a few fixes, but it really is an excellent word processor. I think its problems have been blown out of proportion. Brian K. Tarkington University of California at Davis bktarkington@ucdavis.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 18:18:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10452 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 18:18:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA28462; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 18:51:35 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 18:51:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id SAA28453; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 18:51:30 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA27683; Tue, 8 Mar 94 15:51:27 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20172; Tue, 8 Mar 94 15:50:30 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA05268; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:50:18 +0800 Date: Tue, 8 Mar 1994 15:50:18 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9403082350.AA05268@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: new 750 BIOS available Status: OR FYI. Now on the IBM BBS and on Compuserve. ..bob ThinkPad 750 family System Program Service Diskette V1.04 3/01/94 The following is a list of problems fixed by the System Program Service Diskette version 1.04: - Support added for TV Tuner option (750C only). - Intermittent OS/2 hang at the first FDD access following wake-up from hibernation. - Intermittent 199FE error upon wake-up from hibernation. - Suspend mode entered sooner than the specified System Off Timer value. - Intermittent 19929 error upon resume. - Excessive screen flicker after resume (750Cs only). - Video problems on externally attached ISO monitor (750Cs only). - Diagnostic long run erroneously reports a 5016 error (750Cs only). - The external CRT attached to the Dock I goes blank after the Operating System is started or resumed when the 750's lid is closed. - System hang by using ROM free Area E000-E6FF described in ROM. Correct range (E000-E5FF in this version) is indicated in the area. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 8 18:28:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11401 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Mar 1994 18:28:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA28971; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 19:06:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 19:06:02 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from vms.macc.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA28962; Tue, 8 Mar 1994 19:06:00 -0500 Received: from VMSmail by vms.macc.wisc.edu; Tue, 08 Mar 94 18:05 CDT Message-Id: <24030818052391@vms.macc.wisc.edu> Date: Tue, 08 Mar 94 18:05 CDT From: Chris Schumann Subject: Re: Nameplate To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Vms-To: IN%"tp750@cs.utk.edu" Status: OR Yup, got mine a while back. It took ~8 weeks to arrive. It came with a lifetime warranty, too. chris (who used his Citibank card to buy the ThinkPad even after he found out their "Lifetime Warranty" for computers is one year) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 9 08:53:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08044 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Mar 1994 08:53:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA24046; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 09:19:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 09:19:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id JAA24039; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 09:19:50 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26414; Wed, 9 Mar 94 09:16:54 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA763233513 Wed, 09 Mar 94 09:18:33 EST Date: Wed, 09 Mar 94 09:18:33 EST Message-Id: <9402097632.AA763233513@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Anybody got their little name plate? Status: OR >>Monologue (don't bother) > Hey! I think its cute! (Not very useful, but cute!) Actually, found a couple of good uses for Monologue. I had it read two columns of numbers I had just keyed in to check while I looked at the source to check for typos. The monolgue for windows thru DDE control provides an outstanding way to grab the users attention with His or Her name, followed by a message that may not be determinable before run time (otherwise, just record a WAV file with an admittedly easier to understand voice). I wrote a program that paces me with may name and the current time (spoken) at setable intervals. Very helpful in some deadline situations to stay on track. It depends on the activity you're pacing, of course. Sometimes, I have sayfile.bat read me text sections when I'm having trouble concentrating. I'll admit that the speech quality is only pretty good, Nevertheless, in certain applications, MONOLOGUE is definitely useful. (Just like sVGA in 256 colors is more ~USEFUL~ than black-and-white CGA). Comments? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 9 10:33:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23322 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Mar 1994 10:33:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA01378; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 10:56:13 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 10:56:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from rs1.rz.uni-hohenheim.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA01369; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 10:56:07 -0500 Received: from client1.rz.uni-hohenheim.de by rs1.rz.uni-hohenheim.de (AIX 3.1/UCB 5.61/4.03) id AA19210; Wed, 9 Mar 94 16:54:36 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 16:55:45 +0100 (MEZ) From: "Dr.M.Bruewer" Subject: IBM-Ethernet-Card To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hi everyone, today I've got my IBM-ethernet-pcmcia adaptor. However, I can't figure out how to install the device drivers. The install routine doesn't mention any IBM notebook. The label on the driver disk says it's from 1992. Is there a newer one with drivers for TP750 / OS2? Thanks, Michael Dr. Michael Bruewer Rechenzentrum (620) Universitaet Hohenheim 70593 Stuttgart Germany From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 9 13:17:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27033 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Mar 1994 13:17:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA13125; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 13:42:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 13:42:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA13110; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 13:42:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199403091842.NAA13110@CS.UTK.EDU> Via: uk.ac.kingston; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 16:15:08 +0000 Received: from ceres.kingston.ac.uk by mercury.kingston.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <15865-0@mercury.kingston.ac.uk>; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 16:14:56 +0000 Received: from kingston.ac.uk by ceres.kingston.ac.uk id <16045-0@ceres.kingston.ac.uk>; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 16:13:06 +0000 From: Sergio Terenas Subject: monologue To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: MMDF/Ream v4.16b Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 16:13:06 +0000 Original-Sender: cs_a175@kingston.ac.uk Status: OR I tried emailing jbormel@warren.med but my message bounced back. If you're reading this please check your address... > Actually, found a couple of good uses for Monologue. I'd love to have a copy of it but unfortunately IBM is delaying it for ever... But I'll get it sometime. > I wrote a program that paces me with may name and the > current time (spoken) at setable intervals. Very helpful > in some deadline situations to stay on track. It depends > on the activity you're pacing, of course. I assumed it is a DOS based program since you run it from a .bat file. Do you know where I can get the information on how to program the speaker ? The only tools I have so far (from IBM) to play music is Microsoft Windows to play .WAV files through the media player or sound recorder. What language did you use ? Any libraries ? I'd be very interested in seeing a copy of your program that keeps reminding the user about the time and name. Could you uuencode the .exe and send it to me or post it to the mailing list ? I think asking for the source would be a bit too much woudn't it ??? :) Being a final year computer science student makes you look at source and play with it rather than dis-assemble the .exe. :) Thanks in advance, Sergio Terenas From Chuck.McManis@firstperson.com Wed Mar 9 13:19:15 1994 Received: from Sun.COM by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27465 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Mar 1994 13:19:04 -0600 Received: from FirstPerson.COM (rampart.EBay.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA08448; Wed, 9 Mar 94 11:19:15 PST Received: from scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM by FirstPerson.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21907; Wed, 9 Mar 94 11:19:01 PST Received: from pepper.Eng.Sun.COM by scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07992; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 11:18:07 +0800 Received: by pepper.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA10456; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 11:19:57 +0800 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 11:19:57 +0800 From: Chuck.McManis@firstperson.com (Chuck McManis) Message-Id: <9403091919.AA10456@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: I'm new X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Content-Length: 507 Status: OR >> 1. Does anyone know where I can find a cheep pcmcia network adapter of >> some kine? I've got my two desktops linked using lantastic and I want to >> add the tp750 in. > >If you find any, let me know! :) In the U.S. of A. 3Com is running a promotion on their Etherlink III PCMCIA card. Qty 1 is $99. Call them at 1-800-638-3266. I've ordered one but don't have it yet, when it arrives I'll let everyone know if it works any better with the card/socket services than the XIRCOM one does. --Chuck From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 9 13:25:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28846 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Mar 1994 13:25:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA13939; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 13:56:07 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 13:56:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA13930; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 13:55:57 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA02506; Wed, 9 Mar 94 10:55:54 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16672; Wed, 9 Mar 94 10:54:53 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA05840; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 10:54:45 +0800 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 10:54:45 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9403091854.AA05840@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: new 750 BIOS available In-Reply-To: <9403091059.AA23205@Sun.COM> References: <9403091059.AA23205@Sun.COM> Status: OR > Can you please email me the disk since I haven't access to compu$erve ? IBM license restrictions prohibit me (or anyone else) from redistributing the disk. I don't have an compuserve account either. I called IBM's BBS in North Carolina USA. I realize this is going to cost you some money. It cost me money too. :-) You might call your local IBM service center and tell them you want the IBM Thinkpad 750 System Disk 1.04. They'll probably tell you they don't know what you're talking about, or that they haven't received it yet. But you can tell them it's available on CompuServe and on IBM's BBS at 1 919 517 0001. And bug them to make it available via the Internet. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 9 14:58:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20119 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Mar 1994 14:58:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA22700; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 15:34:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 15:34:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA22693; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 15:34:46 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwgni06154; Wed, 9 Mar 94 15:33:19 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02678; Wed, 9 Mar 94 12:22:26 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA14449; Wed, 9 Mar 94 12:33:00 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12848; Wed, 9 Mar 94 12:31:39 PST Date: Wed, 9 Mar 94 12:31:39 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9403092031.AA12848@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink III (Was: I'm new) Status: OR > >> 1. Does anyone know where I can find a cheep pcmcia network adapter of > >> some kine? I've got my two desktops linked using lantastic and I want to > >> add the tp750 in. > > > >If you find any, let me know! :) > > > In the U.S. of A. 3Com is running a promotion on their Etherlink III > PCMCIA card. Qty 1 is $99. Call them at 1-800-638-3266. I've ordered > one but don't have it yet, when it arrives I'll let everyone know if > it works any better with the card/socket services than the XIRCOM one > does. What kind of connector is on the $99 version? BNC, 10Base-T, or both? I think the IBM card is pretty cheap too. I've seen it for as low as $150, but it was a few months ago and I can't remember where. --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 9 15:12:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22918 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Mar 1994 15:12:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA23912; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 15:49:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 15:48:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id PAA23901; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 15:48:56 -0500 Received: from FirstPerson.COM (rampart.EBay.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA29324; Wed, 9 Mar 94 12:48:45 PST Received: from scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM by FirstPerson.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23540; Wed, 9 Mar 94 12:48:32 PST Received: from pepper.Eng.Sun.COM by scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA08171; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 12:47:42 +0800 Received: by pepper.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA10698; Wed, 9 Mar 1994 12:49:32 +0800 Date: Wed, 9 Mar 1994 12:49:32 +0800 From: Chuck.McManis@firstperson.com (Chuck McManis) Message-Id: <9403092049.AA10698@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, bruce@objy.com Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink III (Was: I'm new) X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: OR The $99 card is 10BaseT they have one for $129 that connects to TBaseT or BNC or AUI connectors. --Chuck From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 10 10:14:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13968 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Mar 1994 10:14:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA25458; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 10:35:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 10:35:15 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from emory.mathcs.emory.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id KAA25446; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 10:35:14 -0500 Received: from labrep.mathcs.emory.edu by emory.mathcs.emory.edu (5.65/Emory_mathcs.3.4.19) via SMTP id AA27409 ; Thu, 10 Mar 94 10:35:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 94 10:35:12 -0500 From: solomon@mathcs.emory.edu (Michael Solomon) Message-Id: <9403101535.AA27409@emory.mathcs.emory.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: display problems X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: OR Greetings, I have a TP750C with 340MB drive, 12MB RAM, Apex Data 14.4 modem and an IBM Token-Ring 16/4 card. I use the 750 for developing marketing demo software for our MXP product (formerly Varnet). I run our demo as well as Microsoft Office, MS-DOS 6.2 w/dblspace and MS-Windows 3.1. I have a few questions. I would appreciate any help. 1) I have loaded the video drivers per the manual, but I cannot get any resolution higher than 640x480. I have run windows setup several times and I see the 'ThinkPad 750' options for 800x600 and 1024x768. How do I get higher resolution in MS-Windows? 2) Is there a way to load the Sound Blaster emulator driver into high memory? I have Falcon 3.04 loaded, but better sound would be nice. When I load the emulator, to little memory is left over for Falcon to run. 3) What are the options for attaching a joystick to the 750? I have the Colorado Spectrum Game Port, but I would like to know about other options. 4) What are the basic specs on the CPU? How does this CPU compare to other 486's? Thanks in advance, Michael Solomon, MAPICS XP Product Group Manager Marcam Corporation, Atlanta, GA Internet: solomon@mathcs.emory.edu BITNET: solomon@emory.bitnet UUCP: {rutgers,gatech}!emory!solomon From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 10 13:23:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21990 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Mar 1994 13:23:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA10249; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 13:57:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 13:57:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id NAA10241; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 13:57:48 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA26922 for ; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 10:57:38 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id KAA08573 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 10:57:34 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199403101857.KAA08573@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Nameplate To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 10:57:33 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Okay folks--after I whined and complained just a few days ago about not yet receiving my free ThinkPad engraved nameplate--it came today in the mail! And *yes* I was looking forward to it--I happen to think it not only looks nice, but it sort of fills the little "hole" at the front of the machine designed for it. Now I am fulfilled... ;) ----- Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48 & 100LX user, and...*Proud* to be Conservative! "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ | o o o o | | Just because we disagree doesn't | | <><><> <> | /-+-- --+X | mean I have to kill you. | | |||||| || | /> <\ | ...Unless, of course, I really want to... | +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ (Standard disclaimers apply--and if you're a liberal wacko, go soak your head.) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 10 16:22:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04111 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Mar 1994 16:22:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA23550; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 16:52:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 16:52:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA23389; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 16:51:39 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwgrf07566; Thu, 10 Mar 94 16:49:09 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05673; Thu, 10 Mar 94 13:25:35 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA10550; Thu, 10 Mar 94 13:36:14 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA16939; Thu, 10 Mar 94 13:34:47 PST Date: Thu, 10 Mar 94 13:34:47 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9403102134.AA16939@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Aaargh! IBM hasn't changed. Status: OR I installed OS/2 on my system a few days ago. On doing so, I selected SVGA video support as instructed and set my external video for the 1024x768 hires mode. All seemed okay, but when I actually start using the system I can't run any Windows programs under Win/OS2. In seamless mode they exhibit that "hang" behavior that seems pretty common in OS/2 if the session parms aren't set properly. Under full screen Win/OS2, I get an application error in WINSHELD.EXE, something that OS/2 seems to be adding to the SYSTEM.INI. So I figure for a $5K machine is worth a little support from IBM, right? I first try the Personal Systems hotline and they tell me it's OS/2's problem and I should call the Austin hotline. (Assuming of course I've purchased a new copy of OS/2 that's eligible for support.) I do that and after wading through and endless array of VRU prompts and waiting 20 minutes I finally get to talk to level 1 support. They come up with the brilliant solution of reinstalling Win/OS2. Being the idiot that I am, I do this and at the end I get an error about the hardware not being able to support SVGA. Hmmm, I figure I can ignore this and I reboot the system. Except now my system won't come up! After loading all of the device drivers it emits a loud buzzing sound and hangs with the speaker LED blinking on and off. AAARGH!! I call IBM back and they suggest trying the install shell trick to run SETVGA. This fails complaining it can't find a file and I'm right back where I started. Now I'm in the process of completely reinstalling OS/2 from scratch. I don't want to berate IBM tech support in general because they've helped me in the past on other problems, but in this particular case they were totally incompetent and useless. They made no effort to diagnose the problem and I'm pissed that the Personal Systems group wants no part in supporting "non-preloaded software." They've cost me a lotta time here and most likely I'll have the same problem once I finish reinstalling OS/2. The one interesting fact I got out of the whole session was that OS/2 support claims the hires external modes will not work under WinOS2. They in fact believed that my problem was a result of setting my external mode to hires, but I think this is a crock. I complained that the least they can do is provide a properly working hires driver for THEIR OS running on THEIR notebook and they said "we're working on it." Has anyone had similar nightmares trying to get OS/2 to work? --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 10 16:31:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06473 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Mar 1994 16:31:07 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA23432; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 16:52:13 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 16:52:09 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id QAA23376; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 16:51:02 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwgrf07335; Thu, 10 Mar 94 16:48:34 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05688; Thu, 10 Mar 94 13:33:06 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA10570; Thu, 10 Mar 94 13:43:44 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA17101; Thu, 10 Mar 94 13:42:17 PST Date: Thu, 10 Mar 94 13:42:17 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9403102142.AA17101@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Squashed display Status: OR (I'll try to keep this one a bit shorter :-) I'm not sure what I did to cause this, but I notice that the text mode in both DOS and OS/2 now has a compressed display, with a large band of ununsed display on the top and bottom. Is this "squashed" effect something that's configurable via setup? --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 10 19:17:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05034 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Mar 1994 19:17:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA05493; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 19:45:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 19:45:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id TAA05383; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 19:43:58 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwgrq04012; Thu, 10 Mar 94 19:40:50 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06153; Thu, 10 Mar 94 16:29:50 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA11703; Thu, 10 Mar 94 16:40:29 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19147; Thu, 10 Mar 94 16:39:02 PST Date: Thu, 10 Mar 94 16:39:02 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9403110039.AA19147@opus.objy.com> To: SCHUMANN@macc.wisc.edu Subject: Re: Squashed display Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > Well, Bruce, my display in text mode > always has the bands. 25 and 50-line modes both > have unused bands. > > I think this is normal, as I have seen it on other > brands of portables as well. Yea, it turns out I had been using the vertical expansion option and this was filling out the rest of the display. That mode produced somewhat jagged characters though and I think I prefer the "letterbox" effect over that. --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 10 19:42:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08092 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Mar 1994 19:42:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA07899; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 20:21:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 20:21:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nic.hookup.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id UAA07891; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 20:21:53 -0500 Received: from vetter.hookup.net (vetter.hookup.net [198.133.162.55]) by nic.hookup.net (8.6.6.Beta11/1.121) with SMTP id UAA18637; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 20:21:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 20:21:45 -0500 Message-Id: <199403110121.UAA18637@nic.hookup.net> X-Sender: vetter@hookup.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: vetter@hookup.net (Tim Vetter) Subject: Mono screen damage, mouse trails, & modems. X-Mailer: Status: OR Greetings: Six days now since I bought my TP750, and I'm generally pretty happy with her (seems to have a female persona, this sleek black box, any contrary impressions?). A few comments and questions though for the friendly folks of the user group: 1. BEWARE SCREEN DAMAGE A warning that the LCD panel appears to be *very* poorly protected on its backside. I packed my TP (mono screen) in a leather Samsonite notebook case for a transatlantic flight, and in the course of what seemed to be routine airport/airplane jostling, I somehow damaged the screen. Symptom: a splash of opaque orange colour, irregular in shape and about 1/2-inch in diameter, that over the course of two days bled outward into a 1-1/2-inch diameter blotch that's mostly transluscent but has a 30-40 opaque flecks each of which masks an area of 5-200 square pixels. Looks exactly like someone flung a brush of bright orange paint at the LCD panel then put the glass layer over top (note that the colour's only visible when the screen is lit.) The screen's still readable though sometimes I have to scroll a bit to get a clear view of extremely small-font text. Pretty annoying. In hindsight, it's clear that I was foolish to put the TP in an outside pocket of the carry bag, with the screen side outward no less. Obviously it took a hit and, I guess, some liquid crystal leaked up under the glass. But I've beaten around other portables a hell of a lot more and never suffered any such screen damage. Moral: BE CAREFUL WITH YOUR TP750's, GANG! They're delicate! I'd be interested to hear whether anyone else has experienced such a problem, or if the LCD-aware among you know whether a fix can be attempted. Also, if anyone's considering a screen upgrade, perhaps we can cut a deal for your old mono or passive-colour screen. Or does IBM keep the old ones?? 2. MY MOUSE POINTER IS HARD TO SEE Should the IBM-supplied VGA drivers support "mouse trails"? The MS-Windows mouse pointer (and the cursors) are sometimes extremely difficult to see on my mono screen. On other LCD portables I have been able to select the "mouse trails" option in the mouse dialog box of the Windows control panel, to give persistent pointer trails that are a hell of a lot easier to see than the default. For some reason, this option is blanked out on my TP, and I assume it is a peculiarity of the IBM Windows VGA driver. Have others found this to be the case? If so, are there any Windows utilities available, either commercially or on the Net, that enhance the visibility of the mouse pointer/cursor? 3. COMM SETUP USING GVC 14.4 PCMCIA FAXMODEM Just a quick note on my communication setup for anyone who cares. Running a GVC PCMCIA 14.4 faxmodem, loading GVC's PCMCIA driver in my autoexec, don't use any of the IBM drivers. Replaced Windows comm driver with COMM56.DRV, a freeware com port driver enhancement (I forget where I got it; an Archie search should turn in up if anyone's interested). So far done terminal sessions and ZModem transfers under Procomm Plus for Windows, and compressed SLIP sessions under Peter Tattam's Trumpet Winsock, all at 14.4 LAP-M across the Atlantic, and everything's worked, glitchless, right out of the box. If there are other users of the GVC unit, I'd be interested to correspond with them about initialization strings and the like. (By the way, I believe GVC's just a repackager: anyone know who actually makes their PCMCIA 14.4 card for them?). Thanks all, and happy ThinkPadding. Tim -------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Vetter vetter@hookup.net 73 Warren Road voice 519-579-9904 Kitchener, Ontario fax 519-571-9520 N2M 4T6 Canada -------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 10 20:55:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18545 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Mar 1994 20:55:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA12203; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 21:32:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 21:32:52 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA12195; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 21:32:50 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA15313 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 10 Mar 1994 20:32:33 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403110232.AA15313@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Time and shareware To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 20:32:32 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199403090152.RAA23679@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Mar 8, 94 05:51:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Actually, my audio drivers came just a short few days after my > SuperStor did. Really? When did you get them? and when did you send out for them? I sent out for the Audio drivers in October of last year...and didn't get them till relatively recently. I sent out for SuperStor around Novemeber and got it about a week later... > Got something against shareware? ;) Not at all! I love it and even code myself! But it's hard to compare against the corporate work -- sometimes, there is shareware that is done by teams. But I did say home hobbyists..and, for the most part, those programs fill in the little niches that need to be filled in... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 10 20:55:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18582 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Mar 1994 20:55:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA12490; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 21:36:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 21:36:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id VAA12483; Thu, 10 Mar 1994 21:36:33 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA15848 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 10 Mar 1994 20:36:16 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403110236.AA15848@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: CPUs and OS/2 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 10 Mar 1994 20:36:15 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199403090157.RAA24611@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Mar 8, 94 05:57:01 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Just yesterday I think, Intel announced a 90 MHz Pentium and a 100 > MHz (well, maybe 99) clock-tripled 486 (based at 33 MHz). But get this-- > they are calling the 486-33/99 a DX4! The rationale is that it is their > "4th generation" 486 chip--the DX being the first, DX2 being the second, > the SL's being the 3rd. So that little number "2" after "DX" didn't mean > "2 times" after all! ;) I've head the same old stuff from them. I think they named it the DX4 to usurp IBM's DX3s... It's all a numbers game... > While I am very much impressed with Word 6.0 for Win, WordPerfect > version 6.0 simply isn't that amazing. I think WordPerfect is getting--well, > tired. Too bad Word 6.0 is buggy. I lost a lot of work to it once... I've never been a WordPerfect user but I liked what I saw in 6.0. It seems to be getting with the GUI program better... > Good--then when/if I should actually make the jump (instead of > soaking my feet in the water), I can be assured that the OS/2 version won't > freak me out... All it takes is Chicago to be released. Then everyone can finally make their decisions! Of course, OS/2 3.0 will be out by then... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 15 10:42:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25725 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Mar 1994 10:42:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA05139; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 11:16:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 11:16:16 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from post.demon.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA05085; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 11:15:56 -0500 Received: from filtroni.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id aa06656; 15 Mar 94 13:41 GMT From: "Mike O'Carroll" X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: tp750Introduction Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 13:35:39 GMT Message-Id: <9403151335.aa02845@lopass.filtronic.com> X-Status: A Please introduce yourself! Tell us what kind of machine you have, how it's configured (how much memory/disk, what accessories, etc.), and what operating system(s) you are using. (send this to the LIST address -- don't just reply to this message!) OK. I have a 750C2D with 340Mb disk, 12Mb RAM. I did want a TFT screen but they can't be had for love or money here (I ordered in November 93, latest delivery date "maybe in the Autumn"). I run OS/2 mainly, though the sound doesn't work yet (driver disk only had Windows stuff). I also have a PCMCIA modem (failed the Dos diagnostics on arrival, works under OS/2, but now sent back for replacement). On order a 10Base-T network card (also no delivery date given). So, it's not bad for starters. Well, actually it is, but apart from that, it's not bad. Ho hum. Regards, Mike. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 15 10:42:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25787 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Mar 1994 10:42:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA05234; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 11:17:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 11:17:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id LAA05225; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 11:17:44 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA16453 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 15 Mar 1994 10:17:41 -0600 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Oops! Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 07:54:01 -0500 Message-Id: Lines: 14 X-Status: R Well, it seems as if I deleted all my mail for the past day or two in my attempt to successfully set up Yarn and UQWK. The good news is... if you're reading this, I'm getting through. Anyway, all mail for the 13th to the 15th will be lost unless anyone can send me a copy. I'd really appreciate it. Also, I did scan through my mail before losing it. I noticed that someone left due to feeling that "certain" people (I wonder who?) talk too much. Well, I hate to see people leaving with bad feelings. So, if you have any complaints, please voice them! And, if they're about me, still voice them! Hey, what's the Internet without _some_ flames? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 15 14:17:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23951 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Mar 1994 14:17:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA21445; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 14:52:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 14:52:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from genesis.ait.psu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (8.6.4/2.8s-UTK) id OAA21432; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 14:52:16 -0500 Received: from [128.118.73.4] (ppp4.cac.psu.edu) by genesis.ait.psu.edu with SMTP id AA20627 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 15 Mar 1994 14:52:03 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 14:52:13 -0500 (EST) From: "Rick Andrew" Sender: wpa@psu.edu Message-Id: <53537.wpa@email.psu.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Enabling 32 bit access in Windows on Thinkpad X-Status: A Has anybody tried enabling 32 bit access in Windows? Any problems? I am planning on using Windows for Workgroups and wonder if there is any conflict between the Thinkpad power management features and the 32 bit file and disk access routines. It would sure be nice if there wasn't. Any comments would be appreciated. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WPA@psu.edu Rick Andrew <*> HRI Finance WPA@psuvm.psu.edu Penn State Univ 814-863-0272 University Park, PA 16802 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 15 18:36:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09469 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Mar 1994 18:36:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id TAA10963; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 19:15:37 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 19:15:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (8.6.7/2.8s-UTK) id TAA10948; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 19:15:33 -0500 From: Received: from buddy.ucsc.edu by cats.ucsc.edu with ESMTP id QAA03329; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 16:15:33 -0800 Received: by buddy.ucsc.edu (8.6.7/4.7) id QAA21756; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 16:15:31 -0800 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 16:15:31 -0800 Message-Id: <199403160015.QAA21756@buddy.ucsc.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, wpa@psu.edu Subject: Re: Enabling 32 bit access in Windows on Thinkpad X-Status: R For what it is worth, tech support told me that 32 bit access in Windows is not compatible with the TP750 series. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 16 00:00:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19194 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 00:00:07 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id AAA05288; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 00:44:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 00:44:39 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id AAA05281; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 00:44:36 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA16203; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 21:44:44 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id VAA16388; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 21:44:41 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199403160544.VAA16388@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Enabling 32 bit access in Windows on Thinkpad To: meister@cats.ucsc.edu Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 21:44:41 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199403160015.QAA21756@buddy.ucsc.edu> from "meister@cats.ucsc.edu" at Mar 15, 94 04:15:31 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Status: R > > For what it is worth, tech support told me that 32 bit access in > Windows is not compatible with the TP750 series. Whoever you talked to at IBM Tech support needs better training. It works perfectly. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48 & 100LX user, and...*Proud* to be Conservative! "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ | o o o o | | Just because we disagree doesn't | | <><><> <> | /-+-- --+X | mean I have to kill you. | | |||||| || | /> <\ | ...Unless, of course, I really want to... | +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ (Standard disclaimers apply--and if you're a liberal wacko, go soak your head.) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 16 00:00:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19210 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 00:00:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id AAA05257; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 00:43:54 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 00:43:52 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id AAA05246; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 00:43:47 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA16160; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 21:43:46 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id VAA16188; Tue, 15 Mar 1994 21:43:38 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199403160543.VAA16188@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Enabling 32 bit access in Windows on Thinkpad To: wpa@psu.edu (Rick Andrew) Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 21:43:37 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <53537.wpa@email.psu.edu> from "Rick Andrew" at Mar 15, 94 02:52:13 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Status: A > > Has anybody tried enabling 32 bit access in Windows? Any problems? I am > planning on using Windows for Workgroups and wonder if there is any conflict > between the Thinkpad power management features and the 32 bit file and disk > access routines. It would sure be nice if there wasn't. Yes, I have both of those features turned "on" with no difficulties whatsoever. The ThinkPad, unlike most other notebook machines, is FULLY APM (Advanced Power Management) compliant--right down to the details of the specs. The problem with some notebook machines and the Windows 32-bit disk access feature is that many notebooks would shut down (to save power) while a write was in progress and end up corrupting the disk. Just so you can see how the TP prevents this--just *try* going into suspend mode while the TP is in the middle of spinning/accessing the hard disk. It won't do it. It will beep at you and refuse to go into suspend. You can try all you like but it won't. And that is true of any questionable disk situation--it will refuse to power down until all the disk chores are squared away. Then it will say goodnight. (This info, by the way, was told to me by Herb Chong--frequent contributor on private Echomail/relay conferences and also occasional freelance author in "Windows Sources" magazine.) ----- Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48 & 100LX user, and...*Proud* to be Conservative! "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ | o o o o | | Just because we disagree doesn't | | <><><> <> | /-+-- --+X | mean I have to kill you. | | |||||| || | /> <\ | ...Unless, of course, I really want to... | +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ (Standard disclaimers apply--and if you're a liberal wacko, go soak your head.) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 16 02:38:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24472 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 02:38:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id DAA15543; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 03:21:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 03:21:03 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id DAA15536; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 03:21:01 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA22011 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 02:20:57 -0600 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Oops! Date: Tue, 15 Mar 1994 07:54:01 -0500 Message-Id: Lines: 14 X-Status: R Well, it seems as if I deleted all my mail for the past day or two in my attempt to successfully set up Yarn and UQWK. The good news is... if you're reading this, I'm getting through. Anyway, all mail for the 13th to the 15th will be lost unless anyone can send me a copy. I'd really appreciate it. Also, I did scan through my mail before losing it. I noticed that someone left due to feeling that "certain" people (I wonder who?) talk too much. Well, I hate to see people leaving with bad feelings. So, if you have any complaints, please voice them! And, if they're about me, still voice them! Hey, what's the Internet without _some_ flames? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 16 05:37:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21096 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 05:37:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id GAA01243; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 06:15:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 06:15:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id GAA01224; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 06:15:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199403161115.GAA01224@CS.UTK.EDU> Via: uk.ac.kingston; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 11:15:27 +0000 Received: from ceres.kingston.ac.uk by mercury.kingston.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <22847-0@mercury.kingston.ac.uk>; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 11:15:21 +0000 Received: from kingston.ac.uk by ceres.kingston.ac.uk id <00260-0@ceres.kingston.ac.uk>; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 11:15:18 +0000 From: Sergio Terenas Subject: Re: Enabling 32 bit access in Windows on Thinkpad To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Randal Whittle's message of Tue, 15 Mar 1994 21:44:41 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: MMDF/Ream v4.16b Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 11:15:18 +0000 Original-Sender: cs_a175@kingston.ac.uk X-Status: R How exactly do you enable 32 bits processing in Windows 3.1 ? Also, I've created a 9Mb (suggested by Windows) permanent swap file but found no apparent performance increase. Is anyone using swap files under Windows 3.1 ? What is the performance increase by enabling 32 bits ? Will WordPerfect 5.2 for Windows run much faster for example ? Cheers, Sergio From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 16 08:05:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00704 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:05:03 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id IAA09995; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:41:05 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:41:03 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hk.super.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id IAA09981; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:40:56 -0500 Received: by hk.super.net id AA16341 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 21:40:54 +0800 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 21:40:54 +0800 From: "Mr. Tony K Ng" Message-Id: <199403161340.AA16341@hk.super.net> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Status: R Hi there, I have an extra Thinkpad notebook bag. That's a brand new one from one of the IBM dealers. I am asking $60(this includes shipment), while a new one from IBM costs $79. Thanks. -Tony From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 16 08:47:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08541 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 08:47:24 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id JAA12681; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 09:19:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 09:19:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uu9.psi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id JAA12674; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 09:19:46 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP by uu9.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA19423 for ; Wed, 16 Mar 94 09:09:46 -0500 Received: by channel1 (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id E181C2; Wed, 16 Mar 94 08:55:23 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: UFC/Gracie...SORRY From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.329318.700.0CE181C2@channel1.com> In-Reply-To: <199403150551.VAA10697@aludra.usc.edu> Date: Tue, 15 Mar 94 23:24:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1 Communications X-Status: R Subject: UFC/Gracie...SORRY > ...are you planning to beat the hell out of my ThinkPad or something? >Please don't--it cost me a lot of money... ;) Hahaha > (I guess you accidently sent this to the mailing list...) I would like to apologize to everyone for my previous message regarding Martial Arts. I was involved in a HEATED discussion over in the Martial Arts Conference, in the heat of the moment I hit the wrong button! Since I'm here I just to to publicly thank RANDY WHITTLE for steering me in the right direction. Thanks to Randy, after only one week of waiting, I WILL be receiving my 750c within the next three days. Placed my order beginning of last week, and today received a call and was told it was being sent tomorrow.....Second Day Air! THANK YOU Randy! Joseph Pereira From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 16 09:50:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27548 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 09:50:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id KAA16866; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 10:11:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 10:11:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id KAA16859; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 10:11:17 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id HAA07527; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 07:11:28 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id HAA02644; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 07:11:26 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199403161511.HAA02644@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Enabling 32 bit access in Windows on Thinkpad To: cs_a175@kingston.ac.uk (Sergio Terenas) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 07:11:26 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199403161115.GAA01224@CS.UTK.EDU> from "Sergio Terenas" at Mar 16, 94 11:15:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Status: R > > How exactly do you enable 32 bits processing in Windows 3.1 ? Go to "Control Panel", "386 Enhanced", and then click the "Virtual Memory" button--same as you did when you created the Permanent Swap File you described. At the bottom of the dialog box, there is a check box for turning on "32-bit Disk Access". Click it. Do not confuse this with the newer "32-bit FILE Access" which is a separate feature! It can only be found in the new Windows for Workgroups version 3.11 (do not confuse this with the "regular" Windows updated to 3.11). As for 32-bit Disk Access--I've never noticed any speed increase, though I know some people who swear by it. These are probably the same people who carry a stopwatch into the bathroom with them to see how long they can pee... ;) > Also, I've created a 9Mb (suggested by Windows) permanent swap file but > found no apparent performance increase. Is anyone using swap files under > Windows 3.1 ? Probably too much. Windows' "suggestions" on swapfile size are always a joke. How much actual RAM memory do you have? That will determine the swapfile size, pretty much. I have 12 MB on my machine and under normal circumstances, I wouldn't dream of having a swapfile larger than 1 or 2 MB at most. *Do* have *some* swapfile though--it *does* help slightly in the speed department, even if you have all the memory in the world. I don't know why (and it doesn't make sense)--but it does. I've read many an educated and intelligent Windows' users' opinion on this subject, and the brighter ones recommend a swapfile (though small) under *all* circumstances. Apparently there is something about Windows' code that makes it check for a swap file when it goes to do something memory intensive (like opening up a program-- this is especially true of a DOS window) and if there's not one to find, it takes a bit longer. In my case though, I now have an 8 MB swap file in addition to my 12 MB RAM. The reason is 1--and only 1--software package. MathCAD 4.0 for Windows. It installed Win32s (32-bit extensions that make Win 3.1x run programs that are actually designed to run under Win NT or the yet-to-be- released Win 4.0). For some reason, it simply *demands* a big swapfile and while I can run it without such a large one, it then often won't let me open up any other software! Hence, I go along with the manual's recommendation of having an 8 MB swapfile (which IMO is *huge*, considering I have 12 MB RAM!) and I haven't had any problems since! Sometimes ya just gotta RTFM! > What is the performance increase by enabling 32 bits ? Will WordPerfect > 5.2 for Windows run much faster for example ? Not particularly. However, if you upgrade to Windows for Workgroups 3.11, you can then take advantage of a feature called "32-bit FILE access" which is, essentially, a Windows-based Disk Cache, but its much faster than other disk caches (i.e., SmartDrive) because it is 32-bit based code, rather than the 16-bit based SmartDrive (or other disk caches loaded at DOS). It *is* a noticable improvement... As for WordPerfect--if you can afford it, upgrade to 6.0. It has finally ironed out the bugs that have plagued WordPerfect's Windows versions for a couple of years now. I think you'll like it much better. ...or better yet, switch to Ami Pro!! (I'm a big fan...) ----- Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48 & 100LX user, and...*Proud* to be Conservative! "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ | o o o o | | Just because we disagree doesn't | | <><><> <> | /-+-- --+X | mean I have to kill you. | | |||||| || | /> <\ | ...Unless, of course, I really want to... | +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ (Standard disclaimers apply--and if you're a liberal wacko, go soak your head.) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 16 12:28:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05683 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 12:28:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id MAA00243; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 12:54:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 12:54:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from genesis.ait.psu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id MAA00228; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 12:54:26 -0500 Received: from [128.118.73.18] (ppp18.cac.psu.edu) by genesis.ait.psu.edu with SMTP id AA11050 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 12:53:48 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 12:53:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Rick Andrew" Sender: wpa@psu.edu Message-Id: <46447.wpa@email.psu.edu> To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Enabling 32 bit access in Windows on Thinkpad X-Status: R Thanks for the help! Who said that this mailing list is not useful?!!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WPA@psu.edu Rick Andrew <*> HRI Finance WPA@psuvm.psu.edu Penn State Univ 814-863-0272 University Park, PA 16802 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 16 20:01:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07700 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 20:01:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id UAA06884; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 20:28:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 20:28:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id UAA06877; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 20:28:12 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA20805; Wed, 16 Mar 94 17:28:16 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13110; Wed, 16 Mar 94 17:27:25 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02236; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:26:09 +0800 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:26:09 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9403170126.AA02236@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Enabling 32 bit access in Windows on Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <53537.wpa@email.psu.edu> References: <53537.wpa@email.psu.edu> X-Status: R I use both 32-bit disk and 32-bit file access on the TP (windows for workgroups 3.11) all the time. No problems except for a couple of disk utilties, like Norton SpeedDisk. When I want to run them, I shut off 32-bit file access and restart windows. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 16 20:38:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18186 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 20:38:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id VAA10062; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 21:16:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 21:16:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id VAA10051; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 21:16:24 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA11919 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 20:16:20 -0600 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Anyone wanna buy my 8MB IC-DRAM card? Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 19:40:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1SwXjWwf5pBK058yn@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Lines: 4 X-Status: R I'm thinking of upgrading to the next step in RAM -- the 16MB DRAM card. Is there anyone interested in an 8MB DRAM card? It's about four months old and I have the original box as well as receipt for it. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 17 00:07:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16339 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Mar 1994 00:07:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id AAA23873; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 00:48:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 00:48:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id AAA23866; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 00:48:34 -0500 From: Message-Id: <9403170548.AA16031@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: linux... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 00:48:35 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Status: A has anyone found a patch to allow us to use linux on the 750 yt? (anybody written one yet?) <--nudge, nudge programmers :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 17 00:22:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19376 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Mar 1994 00:22:32 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id BAA24590; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 01:03:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 01:03:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id BAA24584; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 01:03:51 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id BAA01405; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 01:04:02 -0500 Message-Id: <199403170604.BAA01405@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu), moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: linux... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 17 Mar 1994 00:48:35 EST." <9403170548.AA16031@husc7.harvard.edu> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 01:04:02 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU X-Status: R > has anyone found a patch to allow us to use linux on the 750 yt? I had 0.99pl13 running and gave up because the network code was so broken. Later versions caused the thinkpad to get wedged...maybe because of some extra interrupts that the disk controller seems to generate. My patches are available from cs.utk.edu, directory pub/moore/linux and below. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 17 05:47:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06253 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Mar 1994 05:47:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id GAA20208; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 06:12:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 06:12:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id GAA20201; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 06:12:19 -0500 Received: from werple.apana.org.au by yarrina.connect.com.au with SMTP id AA09795 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Mar 1994 20:13:55 +1000 Received: (from guardian@localhost) by werple.apana.org.au (8.6.7/8.6.6) id UAA12361; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 20:13:45 +1000 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 20:10:39 +1000 (EST) From: Nick Allan Subject: network card for thinkpad To: thinkpad mailinglist Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Status: R Hi all I've just received a pcmcia ethernet card from my ibm dealer, but can't seem to get it to work. The ecctest program that came on the driver disk says there is a conflict at address 300. I'm using an ibm thinkpad 750 monocrome with 1170mb and 4mb ram. I think this pcmcia card is the standard network adapter ibm sells. Can anyone give me some help with drivers used and parameters. A look at someones config.sys would be of great help. Oh! I'm also using msdos 6.2 Thanks in advance for any help. REgards Nick From mike@filtronic.com Thu Mar 17 06:13:16 1994 Received: from post.demon.co.uk by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06998 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Mar 1994 06:13:06 -0600 Received: from filtroni.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id ac09144; 17 Mar 94 10:45 GMT From: Mike O'Carroll X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Audio disk Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 10:37:07 GMT Message-Id: <9403171037.aa05968@lopass.filtronic.com> X-Status: A > latest delivery date "maybe in the Autumn"). I run OS/2 mainly, though > the sound doesn't work yet (driver disk only had Windows stuff). Get the Audio Disk version 1.10. They include OS/2 drivers as well as SoundBlaster, MIDI, Adlib, Roland, and other emulations. The OS/2 DOS sessions virtualize the devices also. Unfortunately, there seems to be no way yet to get WIN-OS2 sounds to work... Well, strangely enough, sounds do kind of work under winos/2. Perhaps because I had windows installed first? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 17 09:00:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27335 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Mar 1994 09:00:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id JAA07170; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 09:27:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 09:27:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id JAA07163; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 09:27:30 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27555; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 06:26:19 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 06:28:27 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Message-Id: <23307.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Problems under OS/2 X-Status: A Well, it's been a while since I mentioned these problems so I'll throw them out again and see if anyone else can verify them. My TP is a 750m/170 running OS/2 w/ 12MB RAM. Also, if you've got the OS/2 2.11 service pack, it might be a good idea to see if the SP fixes any of these problems (remember to back up your data first!). 1. Start up OS/2. Put computer into suspend mode. Resume. Hit ctrl-alt- del. OS/2 should flush cache and reboot. On my machine, it just reboots (requiring the hard drive be repaired the next time I boot OS/2). This one is a real pain when shutdown fails and I'm left with no way to reliably turning off my computer. 2. Start up OS/2. Put computer into suspend mode. While resuming (you can tell because the hard drive is initially accessed while resuming), if you do things like type or move the pointer, *sometimes* the machine will hang. Occasionally you can unhang it by putting the machine back into suspend and resuming (this time without interrupting). Usually, it stays hung requiring a power off. I haven't narrowed down exactly what causes the hang. Has anybody else run across these or other problems? -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 16 05:37:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21096 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 05:37:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id GAA01243; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 06:15:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 06:15:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from sun2.nsfnet-relay.ac.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id GAA01224; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 06:15:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199403161115.GAA01224@CS.UTK.EDU> Via: uk.ac.kingston; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 11:15:27 +0000 Received: from ceres.kingston.ac.uk by mercury.kingston.ac.uk with SMTP (PP) id <22847-0@mercury.kingston.ac.uk>; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 11:15:21 +0000 Received: from kingston.ac.uk by ceres.kingston.ac.uk id <00260-0@ceres.kingston.ac.uk>; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 11:15:18 +0000 From: Sergio Terenas Subject: Re: Enabling 32 bit access in Windows on Thinkpad To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Randal Whittle's message of Tue, 15 Mar 1994 21:44:41 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: MMDF/Ream v4.16b Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 11:15:18 +0000 Original-Sender: cs_a175@kingston.ac.uk X-Status: R How exactly do you enable 32 bits processing in Windows 3.1 ? Also, I've created a 9Mb (suggested by Windows) permanent swap file but found no apparent performance increase. Is anyone using swap files under Windows 3.1 ? What is the performance increase by enabling 32 bits ? Will WordPerfect 5.2 for Windows run much faster for example ? Cheers, Sergio From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 16 09:50:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27548 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 09:50:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id KAA16866; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 10:11:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 10:11:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id KAA16859; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 10:11:17 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id HAA07527; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 07:11:28 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id HAA02644; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 07:11:26 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199403161511.HAA02644@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Enabling 32 bit access in Windows on Thinkpad To: cs_a175@kingston.ac.uk (Sergio Terenas) Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 07:11:26 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199403161115.GAA01224@CS.UTK.EDU> from "Sergio Terenas" at Mar 16, 94 11:15:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Status: R > > How exactly do you enable 32 bits processing in Windows 3.1 ? Go to "Control Panel", "386 Enhanced", and then click the "Virtual Memory" button--same as you did when you created the Permanent Swap File you described. At the bottom of the dialog box, there is a check box for turning on "32-bit Disk Access". Click it. Do not confuse this with the newer "32-bit FILE Access" which is a separate feature! It can only be found in the new Windows for Workgroups version 3.11 (do not confuse this with the "regular" Windows updated to 3.11). As for 32-bit Disk Access--I've never noticed any speed increase, though I know some people who swear by it. These are probably the same people who carry a stopwatch into the bathroom with them to see how long they can pee... ;) > Also, I've created a 9Mb (suggested by Windows) permanent swap file but > found no apparent performance increase. Is anyone using swap files under > Windows 3.1 ? Probably too much. Windows' "suggestions" on swapfile size are always a joke. How much actual RAM memory do you have? That will determine the swapfile size, pretty much. I have 12 MB on my machine and under normal circumstances, I wouldn't dream of having a swapfile larger than 1 or 2 MB at most. *Do* have *some* swapfile though--it *does* help slightly in the speed department, even if you have all the memory in the world. I don't know why (and it doesn't make sense)--but it does. I've read many an educated and intelligent Windows' users' opinion on this subject, and the brighter ones recommend a swapfile (though small) under *all* circumstances. Apparently there is something about Windows' code that makes it check for a swap file when it goes to do something memory intensive (like opening up a program-- this is especially true of a DOS window) and if there's not one to find, it takes a bit longer. In my case though, I now have an 8 MB swap file in addition to my 12 MB RAM. The reason is 1--and only 1--software package. MathCAD 4.0 for Windows. It installed Win32s (32-bit extensions that make Win 3.1x run programs that are actually designed to run under Win NT or the yet-to-be- released Win 4.0). For some reason, it simply *demands* a big swapfile and while I can run it without such a large one, it then often won't let me open up any other software! Hence, I go along with the manual's recommendation of having an 8 MB swapfile (which IMO is *huge*, considering I have 12 MB RAM!) and I haven't had any problems since! Sometimes ya just gotta RTFM! > What is the performance increase by enabling 32 bits ? Will WordPerfect > 5.2 for Windows run much faster for example ? Not particularly. However, if you upgrade to Windows for Workgroups 3.11, you can then take advantage of a feature called "32-bit FILE access" which is, essentially, a Windows-based Disk Cache, but its much faster than other disk caches (i.e., SmartDrive) because it is 32-bit based code, rather than the 16-bit based SmartDrive (or other disk caches loaded at DOS). It *is* a noticable improvement... As for WordPerfect--if you can afford it, upgrade to 6.0. It has finally ironed out the bugs that have plagued WordPerfect's Windows versions for a couple of years now. I think you'll like it much better. ...or better yet, switch to Ami Pro!! (I'm a big fan...) ----- Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48 & 100LX user, and...*Proud* to be Conservative! "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ | o o o o | | Just because we disagree doesn't | | <><><> <> | /-+-- --+X | mean I have to kill you. | | |||||| || | /> <\ | ...Unless, of course, I really want to... | +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ (Standard disclaimers apply--and if you're a liberal wacko, go soak your head.) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 16 12:28:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05683 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 12:28:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id MAA00243; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 12:54:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 12:54:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from genesis.ait.psu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id MAA00228; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 12:54:26 -0500 Received: from [128.118.73.18] (ppp18.cac.psu.edu) by genesis.ait.psu.edu with SMTP id AA11050 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 12:53:48 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 12:53:58 -0500 (EST) From: "Rick Andrew" Sender: wpa@psu.edu Message-Id: <46447.wpa@email.psu.edu> To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Enabling 32 bit access in Windows on Thinkpad X-Status: R Thanks for the help! Who said that this mailing list is not useful?!!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ WPA@psu.edu Rick Andrew <*> HRI Finance WPA@psuvm.psu.edu Penn State Univ 814-863-0272 University Park, PA 16802 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 16 20:01:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07700 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Mar 1994 20:01:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id UAA06884; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 20:28:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 20:28:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id UAA06877; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 20:28:12 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA20805; Wed, 16 Mar 94 17:28:16 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13110; Wed, 16 Mar 94 17:27:25 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02236; Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:26:09 +0800 Date: Wed, 16 Mar 1994 17:26:09 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9403170126.AA02236@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Enabling 32 bit access in Windows on Thinkpad In-Reply-To: <53537.wpa@email.psu.edu> References: <53537.wpa@email.psu.edu> X-Status: R I use both 32-bit disk and 32-bit file access on the TP (windows for workgroups 3.11) all the time. No problems except for a couple of disk utilties, like Norton SpeedDisk. When I want to run them, I shut off 32-bit file access and restart windows. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 17 15:37:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08148 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Mar 1994 15:37:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA14879; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 16:14:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 16:14:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA14872; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 16:14:21 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA13307 for ; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 13:14:15 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id NAA14419 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 13:13:08 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199403172113.NAA14419@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: 10BaseT Network Cabling? To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 13:13:07 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Status: A Hi folks! I need some input... Since Chuck McManis mentioned the great deal on the 3Com PCMCIA 10BaseT network card, I decided to order it and a regular ISA Ethernet adapter to put in my desktop to get a little network action going on with Windows for Workgroups. I have not yet received the cards, so I'm in no terrible rush, but I need to get some 10BaseT twisted-pair network cabling. Chuck mentioned that I should try to get 8 Conductor, 4 Twisted Pairs cabling and suggested a place called Digikey to get it at. I called Digikey and apparently, they aren't used to dealing with the little guy...the shortest length they had was 500 feet (!) at a cost of $350. Look--I need something reasonable, like 6 feet or maybe 25 or even 50 feet...but 500 or 1000? Not on your life! Suggestions on where I can get this stuff in shorter lengths? ----- Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48 & 100LX user, and...*Proud* to be Conservative! "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ | o o o o | | Just because we disagree doesn't | | <><><> <> | /-+-- --+X | mean I have to kill you. | | |||||| || | /> <\ | ...Unless, of course, I really want to... | +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ (Standard disclaimers apply--and if you're a liberal wacko, go soak your head.) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 17 17:30:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28249 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Mar 1994 17:30:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id SAA24415; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 18:13:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 18:13:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dogwood.cs.scarolina.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id SAA24406; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 18:13:37 -0500 Received: by usceast.cs.scarolina.edu (cs.grandpoobah.030594) From: Robert Castles Message-Id: <9403172312.AA14516@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu> Subject: Re: Problems under OS/2 To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 18:12:34 EST Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <23307.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu>; from "John Kim" at Mar 17, 94 6:28 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] X-Status: A > Has anybody else run across these or other problems? > -- > John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like > jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole > This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" > Almost all problems have been resolved with the suspend mode and OS/2. It is in fact the 750c's problem with BIOS. You can download the BIOS update from the IBM NSC BBS at 19195170001. The 750C BIOS is programmable, so we thinkpad owners can get cool updates like this one! The fixes are: No random hang ups, floppy drive access after resume is fixed. You might want to grab all of the following updates as they are all very useful: 2-26-94 2:32a 491436 0 750cebio.exe BIOS 12-07-93 5:27p 952555 0 af750110.exe Audio 8-11-42 8:35a 355803 0 sy750102.exe Systems 1-20-94 10:26p 668646 0 ut75012x.exe Utilities 12-07-93 5:29p 984568 0 vf750112.exe Video Robert Castles castles@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 17 17:56:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08681 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Mar 1994 17:56:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id SAA26292; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 18:39:15 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 18:39:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id SAA26277; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 18:39:10 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA01570 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 17 Mar 1994 17:39:06 -0600 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Audio under WIN-OS2 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 12:35:13 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <<9403171037.aa05968@lopass.filtronic.com> Lines: 12 X-Status: R >Well, strangely enough, sounds do kind of work under winos/2. Perhaps >because I had windows installed first? If you're using the old audio drivers which don't have OS/2 sound drivers, then yup, that would be the case. However, once you install the new OS/2 sound drivers and MMPM/2, you will lose the ability to hear anything from WIN-OS2 at all (even though the docs claim otherwise). I've tried to install the Windows audio sounds manually and even tried to edit the INI files but to no avail...WIN-OS2 keeps thinking it has no drivers available (or that one of the files is missing)... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Mar 17 18:00:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09799 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Mar 1994 17:59:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id SAA26299; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 18:39:17 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 18:39:16 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id SAA26289; Thu, 17 Mar 1994 18:39:13 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA01603 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 17 Mar 1994 17:39:09 -0600 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Problems under OS/2 Date: Thu, 17 Mar 1994 12:44:07 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <23307.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> Lines: 32 X-Status: R >Well, it's been a while since I mentioned these problems so I'll throw them >out again and see if anyone else can verify them. My TP is a 750m/170 >running OS/2 w/ 12MB RAM. Also, if you've got the OS/2 2.11 service pack, >it might be a good idea to see if the SP fixes any of these problems >(remember to back up your data first!). Hmm...OS/2 2.11 has so far failed to allow me to put it into suspend at all! I've tried a variety of order in the Config.SYS but to no avail. What's the order it should all be in? I think I may try to put the OS/2 2.1 APM in as well. I'm using the COM.SYS driver that came with the Utilities Disk 1.2 which worked fine before. But I've also tried the COM.SYS from OS/2 2.11 -- no go (or stop, should I say). >(requiring the hard drive be repaired the next time I boot OS/2). This one >is a real pain when shutdown fails and I'm left with no way to reliably >turning off my computer. Have you tried one of those third party command line programs? Or better yet, use the setboot command. >2. Start up OS/2. Put computer into suspend mode. While resuming (you can >tell because the hard drive is initially accessed while resuming), if you do >things like type or move the pointer, *sometimes* the machine will hang. >Occasionally you can unhang it by putting the machine back into suspend and >resuming (this time without interrupting). Usually, it stays hung requiring >a power off. I haven't narrowed down exactly what causes the hang. I've noticed this too. It only occured once in a while, but it was enough to keep me on the edge of my pants each time I pulled out of suspend (God forbid I hibernate!). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 18 01:57:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19864 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 18 Mar 1994 01:57:23 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id CAA26543; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 02:34:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 02:34:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id CAA26532; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 02:34:24 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA16692 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU); Fri, 18 Mar 1994 01:34:17 -0600 To: castles@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Problems under OS/2 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 01:05:03 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9403172312.AA14516@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu> Lines: 17 X-Status: O >Almost all problems have been resolved with the suspend mode and OS/2. It is >in fact the 750c's problem with BIOS. You can download the BIOS update from Are you sure the fixes you listed below are for the 750C? > 2-26-94 2:32a 491436 0 750cebio.exe BIOS This seems as if it's for the 750Ce and that's also what it listed on the BBS. > 12-07-93 5:27p 952555 0 af750110.exe Audio > 8-11-42 8:35a 355803 0 sy750102.exe Systems > 1-20-94 10:26p 668646 0 ut75012x.exe Utilities > 12-07-93 5:29p 984568 0 vf750112.exe Video There is a new sy750104.exe Systems Disk, although I don't know what it does. All the others do appear to be the most recent versions. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 18 01:57:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19939 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 18 Mar 1994 01:57:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id CAA26536; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 02:34:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 02:34:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id CAA26522; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 02:34:22 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA16698 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 18 Mar 1994 01:34:18 -0600 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: OS/2 2.11 and Suspend Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 01:20:36 -0500 Message-Id: Lines: 14 X-Status: O Today, I spent some time with OS/2 and suspend mode. I upgrade to OS/2 2.11 about a week ago and all has been going well except that I couldn't suspend. Well, that's a problem since this is a notebook and I have a tendency to leave it in suspend for hours at a time to conserve energy yet spare the trouble of doing the boot up sequence. I tried every possible Config.SYS I could think of with no luck. Finally, I tried to selectively install the APM drivers again, but this time I used the OS/2 2.1 disks instead. It works so far and things seem okay again! So the moral is: if you use OS/2 and decide to upgrade to 2.11, use the APM drivers from OS/2 2.1. From castles@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu Fri Mar 18 02:02:08 1994 Received: from dogwood.cs.scarolina.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21676 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 18 Mar 1994 02:02:06 -0600 Received: by usceast.cs.scarolina.edu (cs.grandpoobah.030594) From: Robert Castles Message-Id: <9403180802.AA17965@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu> Subject: Re: Problems under OS/2 To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 94 3:02:15 EST In-Reply-To: ; from "Sean Chou" at Mar 18, 94 1:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] X-Status: A > > >Almost all problems have been resolved with the suspend mode and OS/2. It is > >in fact the 750c's problem with BIOS. You can download the BIOS update from > > Are you sure the fixes you listed below are for the 750C? > > > 2-26-94 2:32a 491436 0 750cebio.exe BIOS > > This seems as if it's for the 750Ce and that's also what it listed > on the BBS. > I'm pretty sure I've installed from this file on my 750C. All the resume bugs have been fixed. I have no idea what a systems disk is either! I'll get it and find out. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 18 13:43:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01600 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 18 Mar 1994 13:43:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id OAA22727; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 14:18:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 14:18:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id OAA22720; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 14:18:45 -0500 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA17916; Fri, 18 Mar 94 11:18:52 PST Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01316; Fri, 18 Mar 94 11:17:39 PST Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA00629; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 11:16:08 +0800 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 11:16:08 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9403181916.AA00629@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: bad pixels on 750 TFT X-Status: A Recently there was some discussion on how many pixels constituted a bad screen that IBM would replace. I asked my dealer. He said the policy is either 25 bad pixels or two adjacent bum pixels in the middle of the screen. He hears that IBM's reject rate is about 80%. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Mar 18 14:24:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19875 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 18 Mar 1994 14:24:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id OAA26113; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 14:58:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 14:58:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id OAA26101; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 14:58:03 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id OAA04005; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 14:58:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199403181958.OAA04005@wilma.cs.utk.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: netbsd + pcmcia ether on the tp750 Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU From: Keith Moore Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 14:58:12 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU X-Status: A FWIW, I finally got my pcmcia ethernet card to work under netbsd on my thinkpad 750. It turns out that my driver works if I assign IRQ 5 to the card, but not if I assign IRQ 10. There are no conflicts (that I know of) with either IRQ. I wonder if IBM's pcmcia controller chip doesn't implement that one? Keith From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Mar 18 18:32:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26083 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 18 Mar 1994 18:32:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id OAA25145; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 14:53:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 14:53:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id OAA25137; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 14:53:30 -0500 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 2915; Fri, 18 Mar 94 14:53:40 EST Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 5129; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 14:53:38 EST Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Fri, 18 Mar 94 14:53:37 EST Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA19510; Fri, 18 Mar 1994 14:53:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 14:53:34 -0500 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9403181953.AA19510@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Bob Page's message of Fri, 18 Mar 1994 11:16:08 +0800 <9403181916.AA00629@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> Subject: bad pixels on 750 TFT X-Status: R By the way, I have written a simple DOS script which changes the screen into solid colors and allows you to look for bad pixels. I found that I have 3 bad pixels on my display. If anybody is interested, I will post the file... --andy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 19 15:22:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22300 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 15:22:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id PAA11673; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 15:58:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 15:58:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id PAA11666; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 15:58:28 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA13946; Sat, 19 Mar 94 15:58:28 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 15:58:28 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403192058.AA13946@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: byrne@austin.wireline.slb.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: bad pixels on the 750C... X-Status: R My screen was originally perfect but rapidly developed two stuck-to-red pixels and then stablized (no more seen since). I think that the number for replacement is much higher than 3. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 19 15:47:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00656 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 15:47:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA13313; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 16:26:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 16:26:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA13306; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 16:26:38 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14117; Sat, 19 Mar 94 16:26:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 16:26:45 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403192126.AA14117@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: halinatr@gwis.circ.gwu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Am I a shmuck? X-Status: R I am surprised that the IBM card is only $500 (i.e. only a little more thanm the non-IBM card). It is up to you of course, but under those circumstances I would go for the IBM card, since it makes dealing with any subsequent problems much easier. From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sat Mar 19 15:49:23 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01049 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 15:49:21 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14311; Sat, 19 Mar 94 16:49:27 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 16:49:27 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403192149.AA14311@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: CPU Upgrade? X-Status: R Now that the vlume on this mailinfg list is getting bigger, shouldn't it be conbverted to a newsgroup? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 19 15:55:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02655 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 15:54:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA13584; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 16:30:44 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 16:30:43 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hsdndev.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA13577; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 16:30:41 -0500 From: Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28998; Sat, 19 Mar 94 16:28:02 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA764123191 Sat, 19 Mar 94 16:26:31 EST Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 16:26:31 EST Message-Id: <9402197641.AA764123191@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Problems under OS/2 X-Status: A John, I'm using my TP750C/170 in OS2forWindows and its real stable. Very rare hangs. I use stand-by multiple times a day and hibernate usually twice a day. I know folks dont say much good about hibernate. I love it. I can freeze my system at a frustrating part of a programming or document problem and start fresh with the cursor in the right place and the adjunct tools alive and nearby. I rarely explicitely enter suspend. (I wish I could get a mode like standby where the disk spins down but the display stays on.) Anyway, I'm finding the TP750 and OS/2 to be real stable now. The only embarassments are the lack of audio support in win/os2 and the video driver problem with leaving win/os2 improperly. I've got work arounds for both, using other programs than I'd rather use. I'm hopeful that updated drivers will appear RSN and we'll all be in notebook heavan. Joe From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 19 16:44:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16870 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 16:44:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id RAA16676; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 17:23:37 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 17:23:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id RAA16669; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 17:23:35 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA14518; Sat, 19 Mar 94 17:23:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 17:23:42 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403192223.AA14518@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: joe@quality.tamu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Brightness control on TP750 Mono X-Status: R It seems that the brightness control doesn't do much if you are in the default (PS2 BR E) mode with a battery, but in normal mode (PS2 BR N) it works fine. What would be interesting to know is what the relative battery life is for: PS2 BR E PS2 BR N (brightness down, equals approx PS2 BR E brightness) PS2 BR N (brightness up) I usually work in the third mode, and the extra battery drain seems small (perhaps 10%) if the first two are about the same, then the PS2 BR E setting seems really silly! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 19 21:43:14 1994 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20719 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 21:43:04 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17122 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 21:41:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id WAA03187; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:13:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:13:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uu9.psi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id WAA03180; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:13:35 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP by uu9.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA08353 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 94 22:06:02 -0500 Received: by channel1 (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id E18424; Sat, 19 Mar 94 21:34:03 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: bad pixels on 750 TFT From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.333575.700.0CE18424@channel1.com> In-Reply-To: <9403181953.AA19510@jimi.watson.ibm.com> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 21:05:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1 Communications X-Status: R Subject: bad pixels on 750 TFT >By the way, I have written a simple DOS script which changes the >screen into solid colors and allows you to look for bad pixels. I >found that I have 3 bad pixels on my display. >If anybody is interested, I will post the file... YES please post it!! Thanks Andy, Joseph From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 19 21:43:14 1994 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20719 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 21:43:04 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17122 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 21:41:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id WAA03187; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:13:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:13:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uu9.psi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id WAA03180; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:13:35 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP by uu9.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA08353 for ; Sat, 19 Mar 94 22:06:02 -0500 Received: by channel1 (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id E18424; Sat, 19 Mar 94 21:34:03 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: bad pixels on 750 TFT From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.333575.700.0CE18424@channel1.com> In-Reply-To: <9403181953.AA19510@jimi.watson.ibm.com> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 21:05:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1 Communications X-Status: R Subject: bad pixels on 750 TFT >By the way, I have written a simple DOS script which changes the >screen into solid colors and allows you to look for bad pixels. I >found that I have 3 bad pixels on my display. >If anybody is interested, I will post the file... YES please post it!! Thanks Andy, Joseph From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 19 21:44:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21308 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 21:44:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id WAA03584; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:20:34 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:20:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id WAA03574; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:20:30 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id TAA01746; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 19:20:41 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id TAA08491; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 19:20:38 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199403200320.TAA08491@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Squashed display To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 19:20:38 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9403192340.AA16551@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Mar 19, 94 06:40:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Status: R > > the reason for the letterbox display is that on a TFT screen, unlike a CRT, > the pixel positions are fixed, so when you are in text mode, which is > 640 x 400 instead of 640 x 480, there is a mismatch of pixel counts This is also true of all LCD displays (Such as the 750 Monochrome and the 750Cs--Dual-Scan passive-matrix), not just TFT's, buy the way... ----- Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48 & 100LX user, and...*Proud* to be Conservative! "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ | o o o o | | Just because we disagree doesn't | | <><><> <> | /-+-- --+X | mean I have to kill you. | | |||||| || | /> <\ | ...Unless, of course, I really want to... | +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ (Standard disclaimers apply--and if you're a liberal wacko, go soak your head.) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 19 21:44:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21479 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 21:44:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id WAA03659; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:22:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:22:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id WAA03652; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:22:13 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id TAA01776; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 19:22:24 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id TAA08674; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 19:22:22 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199403200322.TAA08674@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: CPU Upgrade? To: moore@CS.UTK.EDU (Keith Moore) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 19:22:21 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199403192359.SAA02027@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "Keith Moore" at Mar 19, 94 06:59:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Status: O > > > Now that the vlume on this mailinfg list is getting bigger, shouldn't it > > be conbverted to a newsgroup? > > There's still only about 108 members. It's much cheaper (in terms of Really? I haven't kept close count, but it seems like I've only seen about 15 or 20 names (if that many) in the many messages... Lots of lurkers I guess. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48 & 100LX user, and...*Proud* to be Conservative! "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ | o o o o | | Just because we disagree doesn't | | <><><> <> | /-+-- --+X | mean I have to kill you. | | |||||| || | /> <\ | ...Unless, of course, I really want to... | +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ (Standard disclaimers apply--and if you're a liberal wacko, go soak your head.) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 19 21:47:29 1994 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22646 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 21:47:26 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01978 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 19:47:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id UAA25984; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 20:06:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 20:06:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id UAA25938; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 20:06:36 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA16792; Sat, 19 Mar 94 20:06:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 20:06:43 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403200106.AA16792@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: CPU Upgrade? Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Status: R but the volume is getting high enough that it is getting annoying (note that we already had two cancellation requests) From moore@cs.utk.edu Sat Mar 19 21:48:08 1994 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22945 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 21:48:04 -0600 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17398 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 18:04:26 -0600 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id SAA02027; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 18:59:20 -0500 Message-Id: <199403192359.SAA02027@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: dewar@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CPU Upgrade? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 19 Mar 1994 16:49:27 EST." <9403192149.AA14311@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 18:59:20 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu X-Status: R > Now that the vlume on this mailinfg list is getting bigger, shouldn't it > be conbverted to a newsgroup? There's still only about 108 members. It's much cheaper (in terms of bandwidth) to mail 108 separate messages than it is to propagate an article to all of the usenet sites that take (e.g.) comp.*. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 19 21:49:06 1994 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23314 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 21:49:03 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17981 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 18:08:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id SAA21289; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 18:40:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 18:40:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id SAA21277; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 18:40:34 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA16551; Sat, 19 Mar 94 18:40:33 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 18:40:33 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403192340.AA16551@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: SCHUMANN@macc.wisc.edu, bruce@objy.com Subject: Re: Squashed display Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Status: R the reason for the letterbox display is that on a TFT screen, unlike a CRT, the pixel positions are fixed, so when you are in text mode, which is 640 x 400 instead of 640 x 480, there is a mismatch of pixel counts From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sat Mar 19 22:03:25 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27117 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:03:22 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA17799; Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:03:29 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:03:29 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403200403.AA17799@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: TPII and Keys X-Status: R I find the fading paint on the keys quite annoying, this is a small quality problem that IBM should fix in future models From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sat Mar 19 22:05:57 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27754 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:05:54 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA17817; Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:05:58 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:05:58 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403200405.AA17817@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: meister@cats.ucsc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: [FN] keys. X-Status: R any machine that does not have a PS2 mouse connector is a piece of junk. Gateway computers qualify for that designation in other respects! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 19 22:09:05 1994 Received: from ux1.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28318 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:09:02 -0600 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by ux1.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12962 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 21:10:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id VAA01409; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 21:45:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 21:44:59 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from austin.wireline.slb.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id VAA01402; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 21:44:57 -0500 From: Received: from cedrick (CEDRICK.AUSTIN.WIRELINE.SLB.COM) by austin.wireline.slb.com (4.1/relay.931202a) id AA10430; Sat, 19 Mar 94 20:40:47 CST Received: by cedrick (4.1/client.nfs.930922a) id AA18396; Sat, 19 Mar 94 20:44:30 CST Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 20:44:30 CST Message-Id: <9403200244.AA18396@cedrick> To: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Bob Page's message of Fri, 18 Mar 1994 11:16:08 +0800 <9403181916.AA00629@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> Subject: bad pixels on 750 TFT X-Status: R Anyone know how to tell if a bad spot is a single pixel or two adjacent pixels? My screen has one bad spot which actually looks like it might be more than one pixel, AND, it is near the center of the screen. Or should I just be quite and happy that I only have one bad spot on the entire screen (I had another one that was bad for a while, and then started working again). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 19 22:09:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28434 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:09:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id WAA05114; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:47:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:47:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from austin.wireline.slb.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id WAA05107; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:47:52 -0500 From: Received: from cedrick (CEDRICK.AUSTIN.WIRELINE.SLB.COM) by austin.wireline.slb.com (4.1/relay.931202a) id AA10941; Sat, 19 Mar 94 21:43:43 CST Received: by cedrick (4.1/client.nfs.930922a) id AA18647; Sat, 19 Mar 94 21:47:26 CST Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 21:47:26 CST Message-Id: <9403200347.AA18647@cedrick> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: [moore@CS.UTK.EDU: Re: CPU Upgrade? ] X-Status: O One of the cancellations was a friend whom I recommended join the list. Unfortunately, he joined right in the middle of a couple of long and verbose threads that were not related to the thinkpad at all. The volume isn't that bad when it is kept only to thinkpad issues. Wes Return-Path: X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 20:40:44 EST From: Keith Moore To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: CPU Upgrade? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 19 Mar 1994 20:06:43 EST." <9403200106.AA16792@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 20:40:49 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU > but the volume is getting high enough that it is getting annoying > (note that we already had two cancellation requests) You know, I understand that it's easier for most people to ignore news than to ignore mail. But somehow it's hard to justify taking up a lot more bandwidth in the transmission of this list, just to make it easier for people to ignore it! You're welcome, of course, to start discussion on usenet for creation of comp.sys.laptops.tp750 or some such. Maybe it will turn out that there are enough people interested. I just don't happen to think that it's worth it. Keith From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sat Mar 19 22:18:35 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00566 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:18:31 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA17928; Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:18:37 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:18:37 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403200418.AA17928@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: TP-II keyboard for PC's X-Status: R now if I could just get a TP-II keyboard for my SGI Indy ... From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sat Mar 19 22:22:32 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01313 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:22:29 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA17951; Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:22:35 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:22:35 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403200422.AA17951@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: TP750CE X-Status: R the SLC 25/50 is significantly slower than the 33 DX (I noticed a real speed up going from a 720C to a 750C) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 19 22:25:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01833 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:25:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id XAA06001; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:03:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:03:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id XAA05994; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:03:47 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA17804; Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:03:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:03:53 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403200403.AA17804@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: [FN] keys. X-Status: R can someone give the part number for the full blown trackpoint keyboard? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 19 22:25:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01860 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:25:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id XAA06021; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:04:18 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:04:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id XAA06014; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:04:15 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA17807; Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:04:17 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:04:17 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403200404.AA17807@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: [FN] keys. X-Status: R by the way, Toshiba is marketing trackpoint II keyboards (they use a green button :-) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 19 22:29:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02799 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:29:22 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id XAA06309; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:07:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:07:43 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id XAA06302; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:07:41 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA17812; Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:05:17 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:05:17 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403200405.AA17812@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: castles@usceast.cs.scarolina.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP-II keyboard for PC's X-Status: R I am using the version of the TP-II keyboard that has a separate numeric pad. It works find on my ISA/EISA machine. It comes with a special cable that has both keyboard and mouse connectors at the other end. Anyone want to buy an old useless Microsoft mouse? :-) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Mar 19 22:29:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02806 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Mar 1994 22:29:25 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id XAA06362; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:09:11 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:09:10 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id XAA06354; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:09:08 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA17832; Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:08:03 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:08:03 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403200408.AA17832@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: halinatr@gwis.circ.gwu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Memory MANIAC! X-Status: R sorry from your earlier post, I thought you meant $500 for 8 megs, which would not be too bad, but $500 for 4 megs will not do! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 02:01:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10336 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 02:01:03 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id CAA17514; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 02:32:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 02:32:10 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id CAA17507; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 02:32:08 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA08532; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:31:00 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:33:07 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Message-Id: <84787.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: AT&T KIT modem X-Status: R I asked AT&T for the price on a replacement OLI (to replace the one I bent). $45. I think I'll stick with the bent one since it seems to be working fine... -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 02:03:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11249 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 02:03:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id CAA17505; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 02:32:05 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 02:32:04 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id CAA17498; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 02:32:02 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA08529; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:30:54 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:33:04 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Message-Id: <84784.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Trackpoint II X-Status: A In message Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:04:17 -0500, Robert Dewar writes: > by the way, Toshiba is marketing trackpoint II keyboards (they use a green > button :-) Since the "eraser" that fits on the TPII is removable, does it really matter what color it is? Hey, does anyone know how much replacement "erasers" cost? Maybe Toshiba has them for cheaper than IBM. :) -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 08:35:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14825 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 08:35:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id JAA16013; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 09:14:44 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 09:14:43 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from csd36.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id JAA15998; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 09:14:41 -0500 Received: by csd36.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA17066; Sun, 20 Mar 94 09:14:49 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 94 09:14:49 -0500 From: kedem@csd36.cs.nyu.edu (Zvi Meir Kedem) Message-Id: <9403201414.AA17066@csd36.cs.nyu.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Robert Dewar's message of Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:04:17 -0500 <9403200404.AA17807@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> Subject: [FN] keys. Reply-To: kedem@cs.nyu.edu X-Status: R X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Mar 1994 23:04:18 EST Date: Sat, 19 Mar 94 23:04:17 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) by the way, Toshiba is marketing trackpoint II keyboards (they use a green button :-) Are the trackpoints on IBM and Toshiba really the same? I tried several different Toshiba and IBM notebooks. Whereas IBM's trackpoint feels solid, Toshiba's feels wobbly. It seems that Toshiba's needs to move slightly before reacting. I thought maybe I imagined this, so I took off the green rubber cover and then it was completely clear (on the two Toshiba notbooks I checked) that the trackpoint was in fact moving a little before reacting--just like a very limited movement joystick. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 09:19:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17476 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 09:19:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id JAA18249; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 09:53:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 09:53:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id JAA18242; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 09:53:23 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA18786; Sun, 20 Mar 94 09:53:30 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 94 09:53:30 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403201453.AA18786@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: kedem@cs.nyu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: [FN] keys. X-Status: R interesting, I have not tried it out! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 10:32:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24999 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 10:32:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id LAA22875; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:13:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:13:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id LAA22868; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:13:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (postman@localhost) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id LAA04020 for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:14:06 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:14:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:12:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from unix3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:12:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.14.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:12:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:12:45 -0500 (EST) From: "Andrew A. Houghton" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: [FN] keys. In-Reply-To: <9403201453.AA18786@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> References: <9403201453.AA18786@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> X-Status: R The electronics / methods of translating motion/pressure on the IBM is different than that of the Toshiba. If folks are really interested, I could probably go find my reference and bandy about some technical words. In any case, the trackpoint was jointly developed by Toshiba and IBM. IBM put it to use first, while Toshiba decided to use a different method of translation for their Portege notebook. I will (in my ever-present need to be prescient) guess that we will be seeing more models from Toshiba (at least) with the trackpoint, and I've heard rumbles of other vendors licensing the technology. - Andrew From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 11:21:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02024 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:21:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id LAA25439; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:56:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:56:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uu9.psi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id LAA25432; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:56:46 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP by uu9.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA04259 for ; Sun, 20 Mar 94 11:47:09 -0500 Received: by channel1 (PCB-UUCP 1.1f) id E18487; Sun, 20 Mar 94 11:30:42 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: CPU Upgrade? From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.334070.700.0CE18487@channel1.com> In-Reply-To: <199403200140.UAA02198@wilma.cs.utk.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 94 10:25:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1 Communications X-Status: R Subject: Re: CPU Upgrade? >> but the volume is getting high enough that it is getting annoying >> (note that we already had two cancellation requests) >You know, I understand that it's easier for most people to ignore >news than to ignore mail. But somehow it's hard to justify taking up >a lot more bandwidth in the transmission of this list, just to make >it easier for people to ignore it! >You're welcome, of course, to start discussion on usenet for creation >of comp.sys.laptops.tp750 or some such. Maybe it will turn out that >there are enough people interested. I just don't happen to think >that it's worth it. I agree with you Keith!! Joseph From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 12:35:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15631 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 12:34:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id NAA28930; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 13:14:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 13:14:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from epas.utoronto.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id NAA28923; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 13:14:20 -0500 Received: by epas.utoronto.ca (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA15655; Sun, 20 Mar 94 13:14:35 -0500 From: jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca (James Cummings) Message-Id: <9403201814.AA15655@epas.utoronto.ca> Subject: Re: CPU Upgrade? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Think-Pad 750 Mailing list) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 13:14:34 -0500 (EST) In-Reply-To: <84801.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Mar 19, 94 11:33:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Status: A It has been written by the hand of John Kim that: > >In message Sat, 19 Mar 94 20:06:43 -0500, > Robert Dewar writes: > >> but the volume is getting high enough that it is getting annoying (note >> that we already had two cancellation requests) > >One idea we might try is to bundle each day's messages into packets and send >just one packet. I've seen a couple other mailing lists that do this so >there must be some standardized software around. And many mailers are >capable of extracting those packets into normal mail messages (usually via >the '@' key). The problem with high activity mailing lists is usually >picking your 'real' mail out of the mailing list traffic. >-- >John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like >jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole >This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" > > This had never occurred to me as a possible problem. If you have ELM available as a mail-reader you can use it to automaticaly filter message to folders. Anything coming from the list address is filtered to a file called 'tp750' (in my case). That way I'm able to keep it separate from personal mail. A side effect is that you don't have to stay 'up to date' on what is happening onthe mailing list. There is one (Chaucer-L) which has just been collecting for the last 3 months. I will sit down and skim through the HUNDREDS of messages this summer. ;-) If anyone using ELM wants advice on how to do this, I'm willing to answer questions from my limited knowledge. (Though I'd suggest checking the man pages on filter and elm). -James jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca | 1994: Official Year of The Toronto Free-Net. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 13:03:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22670 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 13:03:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id NAA29933; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 13:40:51 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 13:40:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id NAA29924; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 13:40:47 -0500 Received: from FirstPerson.COM (rampart.EBay.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA25639; Sun, 20 Mar 94 10:40:58 PST Received: from scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM by FirstPerson.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA26274; Sun, 20 Mar 94 10:40:41 PST Received: from pepper.Eng.Sun.COM by scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA07563; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 10:39:54 +0800 Received: by pepper.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02209; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 10:41:47 +0800 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 10:41:47 +0800 From: Chuck.McManis@firstperson.com (Chuck McManis) Message-Id: <9403201841.AA02209@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> To: kedem@cs.nyu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: [FN] keys. X-Status: R At the consumer electronics show the Toshiba rep said they had licensed IBM's patent on the Trackpoint II for their protege series. If that were true I'd expect them to be identical, of course they may have tried to "improve" it. --Chuck From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 14:04:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10333 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 14:04:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id OAA03225; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 14:42:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 14:42:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id OAA03217; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 14:42:56 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA27396; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:15:42 -0800 Received: from localhost (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id LAA04528; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:15:40 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199403201915.LAA04528@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: [FN] keys. To: ah0i+@andrew.cmu.edu (Andrew A. Houghton) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:15:38 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: from "Andrew A. Houghton" at Mar 20, 94 11:12:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Status: R > In any case, the trackpoint was jointly developed by Toshiba and IBM. I didn't know that! > ...and I've heard > rumbles of other vendors licensing the technology. I don't know if its licensed, or a direct rip-off, but Gateway 2000 uses a kind of "trackpoint" (though it is not in the middle of the keyboard-- more toward the right edge of the machine) on its "Handbook" line of machines. Only other machine I've seen besides IBM's and Toshibas--and for that matter, it was used *before* Toshiba put out the Protege series. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48 & 100LX user, and...*Proud* to be Conservative! "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ | o o o o | | Just because we disagree doesn't | | <><><> <> | /-+-- --+X | mean I have to kill you. | | |||||| || | /> <\ | ...Unless, of course, I really want to... | +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ (Standard disclaimers apply--and if you're a liberal wacko, go soak your head.) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 14:09:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11761 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 14:09:43 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id OAA03528; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 14:48:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 14:48:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id OAA03521; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 14:48:29 -0500 From: Received: from buddy.ucsc.edu by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id LAA10685; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:48:36 -0800 Received: by buddy.ucsc.edu (8.6.8/4.7) id LAA13925; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:48:35 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 11:48:35 -0800 Message-Id: <199403201948.LAA13925@buddy.ucsc.edu> To: ah0i+@andrew.cmu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: [FN] keys. X-Status: R Thus far, I have seen the "trackpoint" device on only one Toshiba machine -- the subnotebook "Portege." Are they now marketing a trackpoint keyboard for desktop use? IBM is, but I had to send mine back when I could not get it to work with the serial port on my Gateway, even after I bought a PS/2-serial adapter from Logitech. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 14:20:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14450 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 14:20:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id OAA04236; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 14:59:20 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 14:59:19 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id OAA04228; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 14:59:17 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA21696; Sun, 20 Mar 94 14:59:23 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 94 14:59:23 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403201959.AA21696@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: ah0i+@andrew.cmu.edu, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: [FN] keys. Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Status: R actually I don't think it is fair to say that the TPII was developed jointly. We heard a presentation on the development from the guy at IBM who did all the research and development. Maybe Toshiba was involved later on, or maybe they are just licensing the technology. Certainly they were not involved in the original development. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 14:20:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14458 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 14:20:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id PAA04394; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:01:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:01:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from csd36.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id PAA04384; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:01:23 -0500 Received: by csd36.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA17417; Sun, 20 Mar 94 15:01:28 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 94 15:01:28 -0500 From: kedem@csd36.cs.nyu.edu (Zvi Meir Kedem) Message-Id: <9403202001.AA17417@csd36.cs.nyu.edu> To: ah0i+@andrew.cmu.edu, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: [FN] keys. Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Status: R There is a considerable difference between "trackpoint" (trademark ?) and a joystick. I think that the trackpoint is not supposed to move at all, it is a strain gauge. --Zvi From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 14:33:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17808 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 14:33:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id PAA05060; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:12:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:12:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id PAA05053; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:12:17 -0500 From: Received: from buddy.ucsc.edu by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id MAA12005; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 12:12:27 -0800 Received: by buddy.ucsc.edu (8.6.8/4.7) id MAA14161; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 12:12:25 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 12:12:25 -0800 Message-Id: <199403202012.MAA14161@buddy.ucsc.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: keyboard X-Status: R Someone wanted to know the part number for the Trackpoint keyboard. It is 73G8306. The numeric keypad is separate. (Part # 61G902. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 14:48:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22042 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 14:48:15 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id PAA05882; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:25:51 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:25:49 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id PAA05874; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:25:47 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA21740; Sun, 20 Mar 94 15:25:49 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 94 15:25:49 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403202025.AA21740@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: meister@cats.ucsc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: keyboard X-Status: R 73G8306 is the small keyboard (I have one and it is nice), but someone said there was a full size 101 key keyboard with the trackpoint, is that true? what's the part number on that one? From moore@cs.utk.edu Sun Mar 20 15:18:04 1994 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01150 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:18:01 -0600 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id QAA03645; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:18:04 -0500 Message-Id: <199403202118.QAA03645@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: netbsd + pcmcia ether on the tp750 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 18 Mar 1994 16:11:15 EST." Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:18:04 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Status: OR > >FWIW, I finally got my pcmcia ethernet card to work under netbsd on > >my thinkpad 750. It turns out that my driver works if I assign > >IRQ 5 to the card, but not if I assign IRQ 10. There are no conflicts > >(that I know of) with either IRQ. > > Isn't the sound card on IRQ 10? If it's not disable, that may be the > problem... Well, I wasn't getting any interrupts at all, not even from the wrong device. So I don't think that was the problem. I suspect that the IBM PCMCIA controller simply doesn't support that interrupt...probably to save pins on the controller chip. > So now you have ethernet card under BSD? What do you think of that > 3Com PCMCIA Ethernet card for $99? I'm thinking of getting that... I don't know anything about it. Keith From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Sun Mar 20 15:27:40 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03698 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:27:38 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA21881; Sun, 20 Mar 94 16:27:39 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 94 16:27:39 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403202127.AA21881@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: bad pixels on 750 TFT Status: OR 24 brightly colored pixels scattered around the screen would render a 750C completely unusable in my opinion. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 15:40:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07521 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:40:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA08599; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:14:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:14:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA08591; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:14:43 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA00026 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:14:40 -0600 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: bad pixels on 750 TFT Date: Fri, 18 Mar 1994 16:10:18 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9403181916.AA00629@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> Lines: 6 Status: OR >I asked my dealer. He said the policy is either 25 bad pixels or two >adjacent bum pixels in the middle of the screen. He hears that IBM's >reject rate is about 80%. That's strange. I sent mine back after I got seven bad pixels and they repaired it. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 16:12:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16895 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:12:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA10724; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:50:08 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:50:06 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA10717; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:50:04 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA10236 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:49:53 -0600 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: TPII and Keys Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:33:23 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9403200403.AA17799@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> Lines: 5 Status: OR >I find the fading paint on the keys quite annoying, this is a small quality >problem that IBM should fix in future models I absolutely agree! Has anyone found an effective way around it? Or a way to "paint" them back on? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 16:15:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17911 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:15:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA10794; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:50:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:50:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA10760; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:50:18 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA10348 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:50:13 -0600 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Suspend modes Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:27:19 -0500 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <9402197641.AA764123191@warren.med.harvard.edu> Lines: 9 Status: OR >I rarely explicitely enter suspend. (I wish I could get >a mode like standby where the disk spins down but the >display stays on.) You could always go to the settings and set the disk to spin down sooner than the screen. That would sort of do it. But the main problem is that the screen is probably what sucks up most of the juice. Another solution is to work off a RAM disk... at least in DOS anyway... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 16:15:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17944 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:15:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA10791; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:50:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:50:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA10766; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:50:19 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA10355 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:50:14 -0600 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Keeping track of TP mailing list Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:46:10 -0500 Message-Id: Lines: 8 Status: OR One method to help us keep track of the mailing list is to be careful with our headers. Make sure that there is an appropriate subject and make sure the letter is going out to the tp750@cs.utk.edu only. I know that it's easier to send a cc to the group, but that generates more traffic. I know I'm guilty of these things as well, but I'll try to change if you will! :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 16:18:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18740 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:18:07 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA10756; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:50:16 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:50:15 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA10736; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:50:12 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA10318 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:50:09 -0600 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: CPU Upgrade? Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:38:24 -0500 Message-Id: <0HBZjWwf5$XU058yn@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> In-Reply-To: <84801.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> Lines: 8 Status: OR >One idea we might try is to bundle each day's messages into packets and send >just one packet. I've seen a couple other mailing lists that do this so If we can't set up a newsgroup, then this is the route I'd like to see. It would make archiving this mail list a lot easier for me since I wouldn't have to go through and pick out my real mail... Does anyone know of how to set up such a mailer? Keith? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 16:19:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19113 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:19:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA10923; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:54:01 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:54:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA10913; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:53:57 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA11371 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:53:52 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403202153.AA11371@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: "Eraser" tip To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:53:51 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR I'd like to see an eraser tip that has a rough surface. Does anyone know of such a beast or maybe someone here has knowledge of rubber manufacture? From moore@cs.utk.edu Sun Mar 20 16:37:15 1994 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25311 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 16:37:13 -0600 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id RAA03839; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 17:36:59 -0500 Message-Id: <199403202236.RAA03839@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: CPU Upgrade? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sun, 20 Mar 1994 15:38:24 EST." <0HBZjWwf5$XU058yn@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 17:36:59 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Status: OR > Does anyone know of how to set up such a mailer? Keith? I'm sure I could cobble up some scripts to build digests, if enough people want them. --------- For another approach to solving the problem: I have a separate mailbox for each list that I'm subscribed to. For example, my tp750 traffic comes to moore+tp750@cs.utk.edu. My sendmail config knows to deliver this to my tp750 folder instead of my normal inbox. Xmh even knows about it, and in the button marked "tp750" there is a square that gets filled in when I have new mail in that folder. It works very nicely! I can make that software available for others who want to install it. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 17:27:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12001 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 17:27:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id SAA15233; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 18:07:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 18:07:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id SAA15225; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 18:07:23 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA05207 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 17:07:20 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403202307.AA05207@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Digest Vote and Folders To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 17:07:17 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199403202236.RAA03839@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "Keith Moore" at Mar 20, 94 05:36:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I'm sure I could cobble up some scripts to build digests, if enough > people want them. Well, I guess the vote is on then. All those in favor of such a setup, please send me private email indicating so. If you are against it, let me know too. I won't assume either way for those who don't respond. > For another approach to solving the problem: > > I have a separate mailbox for each list that I'm subscribed to. For > example, my tp750 traffic comes to moore+tp750@cs.utk.edu. My sendmail > config knows to deliver this to my tp750 folder instead of my normal > inbox. Xmh even knows about it, and in the button marked "tp750" there > is a square that gets filled in when I have new mail in that folder. > It works very nicely! It'd be nice but I don't have X-Windows available for the Xmh to alert me. As for Elm, such a setup would be truly beneficial to me. I wasn't aware I could setup differnt folders. I will look for it. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 17:27:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12001 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 17:27:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id SAA15233; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 18:07:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 18:07:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id SAA15225; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 18:07:23 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA05207 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 17:07:20 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403202307.AA05207@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Digest Vote and Folders To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 17:07:17 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199403202236.RAA03839@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "Keith Moore" at Mar 20, 94 05:36:45 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I'm sure I could cobble up some scripts to build digests, if enough > people want them. Well, I guess the vote is on then. All those in favor of such a setup, please send me private email indicating so. If you are against it, let me know too. I won't assume either way for those who don't respond. > For another approach to solving the problem: > > I have a separate mailbox for each list that I'm subscribed to. For > example, my tp750 traffic comes to moore+tp750@cs.utk.edu. My sendmail > config knows to deliver this to my tp750 folder instead of my normal > inbox. Xmh even knows about it, and in the button marked "tp750" there > is a square that gets filled in when I have new mail in that folder. > It works very nicely! It'd be nice but I don't have X-Windows available for the Xmh to alert me. As for Elm, such a setup would be truly beneficial to me. I wasn't aware I could setup differnt folders. I will look for it. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Mar 20 20:15:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04041 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Mar 1994 20:15:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id UAA25054; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 20:55:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 20:55:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id UAA25036; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 20:54:59 -0500 From: Received: from buddy.ucsc.edu by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id RAA26915; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 17:55:09 -0800 Received: by buddy.ucsc.edu (8.6.8/4.7) id RAA15967; Sun, 20 Mar 1994 17:55:00 -0800 Date: Sun, 20 Mar 1994 17:55:00 -0800 Message-Id: <199403210155.RAA15967@buddy.ucsc.edu> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, meister@cats.ucsc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: keyboard Status: OR They did not have a 101 key keyboard with the trackpoint as of Feb. 18. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 21 02:36:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02537 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Mar 1994 02:36:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id CAA17485; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 02:53:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 02:53:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id CAA17478; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 02:53:43 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA27148 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 21 Mar 1994 01:53:38 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403210753.AA27148@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Latest info on TP750 series To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 01:53:37 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: O Well, I've been navigating through CompuServe and have scooped up all the info I could for us. First, it appears that the System Disks are intended for all 750 series machines. They are BIOS upgrades (who knew?) and installed with relative ease. The latest version is 1.04 and fixes a number of things especially concerning suspend mode. Second, WIN-OS2 sounds are officially broken. Mike Anderson says it's being worked on. Let's hope for some speed here! :) Third, the PCMCIA light which stays on is supposed to. It indicates that there is a card in the socket and that card and socket services are loaded. Power is no more than 10mA so it's nothing to worry about. Forth, the keypads with the letters coming off is a known problem with the keyboard manufacturing process. They are in the process of fixing this and we can have them replaced now (although the letters will still come off) or wait for the new keyboards to come out (or both ). Fifth, OS/2 2.11 APM is officially broken. Use the OS/2 2.1 APM instead (although you can use VAPM.SYS from OS/2 2.11). And the most current version numbers of all pertinent TP disks: Audio 1.10 System 1.04 Utility 1.20 Video 1.12 A service I am willing to undertake is the copying of any of these disks. All you have to do is send my a pre-addressed, pre-stamped disk folder with one disk per TP disk you want. I will send it back ASAP. However, I cannot be held responsible for any damage or lost disk or what not but I will do my best. Send them to: Sean Chou 401 E. Chalmers #611 Champaign, IL 61820 BTW, I will only be here until the end of the summer. I will post the new address in advance though. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 21 04:52:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25458 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Mar 1994 04:52:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id FAA00166; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 05:21:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 05:21:12 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from yarrina.connect.com.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id FAA00145; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 05:21:07 -0500 Received: from werple.apana.org.au by yarrina.connect.com.au with SMTP id AA16790 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Mar 1994 20:21:09 +1000 Received: (from guardian@localhost) by werple.apana.org.au (8.6.8/8.6.6) id UAA12893; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 20:20:55 +1000 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 20:19:41 +1000 (EST) From: Nick Allan Subject: switching off the screen To: thinkpad mailinglist Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hi all I was wondering if there is anyway to turn the screen off while still using the thinkpad. I'm blind and don't need the screen to use the tp but I'd like to save as much power as possible. Thanks Regards Nick From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 21 09:11:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23149 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Mar 1994 09:11:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id JAA19203; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 09:35:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 09:35:39 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id JAA19188; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 09:35:37 -0500 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 9867; Mon, 21 Mar 94 09:35:50 EST Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 9677; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 09:35:50 EST Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 21 Mar 94 09:35:47 EST Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA16398; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 09:35:44 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 09:35:44 -0500 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9403211435.AA16398@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: bad pixels on 750 TFT Status: OR due to overwhelming demand, here is the DOS batch file which will turn your 750c display into solid colors so you can search for bad pixels. --andy @echo This program will change the color of the display so you can @echo check for bad pixels. You must have ANSI.SYS installed in your @echo CONFIG.SYS in order for this to work. Press any key to advance @echo to the next color. @pause @ps2 vexp on prompt $e[41;31m cls @pause > nul prompt $e[42;32m cls @pause > nul prompt $e[43;33m cls @pause > nul prompt $e[44;34m cls @pause > nul prompt $e[45;35m cls @pause > nul prompt $e[46;36m cls @pause > nul prompt $e[47;37m cls @pause > nul @ps2 vexp off prompt $e[40;37m$p$g cls From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 21 09:58:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09684 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Mar 1994 09:58:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id KAA22455; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 10:18:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 10:18:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from elvis.neep.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id KAA22448; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 10:18:46 -0500 Message-Id: <199403211518.KAA22448@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from [144.92.52.168] by elvis.neep.wisc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06520; Mon, 21 Mar 94 09:17:33 -0600 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 09:17:33 -0600 X-Sender: jake@elvis.neep.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jake@elvis.neep.wisc.edu (James P.Blanchard) Subject: running TP750 with lid closed X-Mailer: Status: OR I have a TP750Cs with an external monitor, keyboard, and mouse. I'd like to be able to close the lid when I use all these external gadgets, but I can't figure out how to prevent the SUSPEND from kicking in. The manual implies this is impossible, but I can't seem to get it to work. _______________________________________________ james p blanchard nuclear engineering and engineering physics ** university of wisconsin - madison ** blanchard@engr.wisc.edu OR jake@nucst6.neep.wisc.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 21 13:07:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05862 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Mar 1994 13:07:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id NAA09094; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 13:33:01 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 13:32:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id NAA09087; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 13:32:53 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA23048; Mon, 21 Mar 94 13:32:48 -0500 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 13:32:48 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403211832.AA23048@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jake@elvis.neep.wisc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: running TP750 with lid closed Status: OR just take the option not to suspend when the lid is down (it's a radial button you can select, or a check box, I can'r remember which, on the OS/2 version) From bruce@objy.com Mon Mar 21 13:44:29 1994 Received: from relay1.UU.NET by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22487 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Mar 1994 13:44:23 -0600 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (5.61/UUNET-internet-primary) id AAwifm21979; Mon, 21 Mar 94 14:44:29 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04361; Mon, 21 Mar 94 11:32:59 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA17823; Mon, 21 Mar 94 11:44:20 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18868; Mon, 21 Mar 94 11:43:00 PST Date: Mon, 21 Mar 94 11:43:00 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9403211943.AA18868@opus.objy.com> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Suspend modes Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Speaking of suspend, I'm finding that suspend mode is using battery up much faster than I had hoped and limits it's usefulness. I was running OS/2 yesterday and put the machine (750C) into suspend at about 10:00. At that point it claimed I had a battery that was 80% charged. I opened the lid at about 3:30 and found the system totally dead. I thought that suspend mode was pretty thrifty, but I guess not. I've got 12 Mbytes and I guess it has to keep that and the CPU alive in a limited fashion (is there an SL mode that just keeps the current context, like registers and so forth?) That would seem to require little power though. Anyone else had similar experiences? The good news is hibernation works just fine. I tried it for the first time Saturday leaving it that mode overnight. It came back to life without a hitch Sunday morning in about 10 seconds and OS/2 was right where I left it. I do find the beeping during the image save/load somewhat annoying though and while I haven't checked it out, I'm hoping there's a PS2 command to disable this. Anyone know? --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Mar 21 16:12:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01374 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Mar 1994 16:11:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA23112; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 16:38:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 16:38:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA23096; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 16:38:09 -0500 From: Received: from buddy.ucsc.edu by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id NAA15008; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 13:38:18 -0800 Received: by buddy.ucsc.edu (8.6.8/4.7) id NAA23538; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 13:38:17 -0800 Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 13:38:17 -0800 Message-Id: <199403212138.NAA23538@buddy.ucsc.edu> To: jake@elvis.neep.wisc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: running TP750 with lid closed Status: OR Have you loaded the Thinkpad Features program for Windows (ps2win.exe)? After starting this program, click the icon named "Power". Then click "More". You will then see the option "Will not suspend even if LCD is closed". I have not tried this, but all the others options in this menu seem to work. Or have you had a different experience? From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Mon Mar 21 16:44:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15904 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 21 Mar 1994 16:44:05 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA23971; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 16:49:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 16:49:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id QAA23963; Mon, 21 Mar 1994 16:49:15 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA21317 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 21 Mar 1994 15:49:10 -0600 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199403212149.AA21317@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Suspend & Hibernation To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 21 Mar 1994 15:49:09 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <9403211943.AA18868@opus.objy.com> from "Bruce Reed" at Mar 21, 94 11:42:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > running OS/2 yesterday and put the machine (750C) into suspend at about > 10:00. At that point it claimed I had a battery that was 80% charged. > I opened the lid at about 3:30 and found the system totally dead. I Hmm..I certainly don't think that suspend should suck up that much battery power. I've left mine overnight with little problems... What version of OS/2 are you using? > time Saturday leaving it that mode overnight. It came back to life without > a hitch Sunday morning in about 10 seconds and OS/2 was right where I left > it. I do find the beeping during the image save/load somewhat annoying though > and while I haven't checked it out, I'm hoping there's a PS2 command to > disable this. Anyone know? I agree. I went back to using it after condemning it only to find that, if it worked better, it would be an incredibly useful tool. Here's what I would propose as necessary to make it work better: 1. Not to lose my PCMCIA settings. I have to hot-plug it to get them to work again. 2. "On-the-fly" compression of the hibernation file. A 12MB file is extremely wasteful (most of us have 12MB) and, for at least Robert Dewar, with 20MB, it's just a phenomenal waste. I know this can be done since software can do it -- it should be able to be done with another Utility release and perhaps BIOS fix. 3. As, you say, stop that annoying beep. The picture is fine (indeed, even lovable) though. 4. Work totally reliably. I haven't had any crashes at all since I've applied the fix and CSD (OS/2 2.11), but that's only been a few days. From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Tue Mar 22 09:33:20 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18091 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Mar 1994 09:33:17 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA24026; Tue, 22 Mar 94 10:32:56 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 10:32:56 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403221532.AA24026@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: bruce@objy.com, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Suspend modes Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Status: OR Suspend does use a fair amount of battery power. Expecting it to last 30 hours is unrealistic. If you suspend then you should remember to plug in at night. I personally find that hibernation (with 20 megs) takes about as long as a shut-down reboot, so I find it pretty painful and don't feel like wasting 20 megs of disk space on the feature. From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Tue Mar 22 09:37:49 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19179 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Mar 1994 09:37:47 -0600 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA24062; Tue, 22 Mar 94 10:37:49 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 10:37:49 -0500 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9403221537.AA24062@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Suspend & Hibernation Status: OR I am puzzled by the suspend complaint, can you clarify if you meant 5.5 hours or 29.5 hours, it is a big difference (i.e. are both times you gave yesterday, or is the first yesterday, and the second today, as I assumed in replying) 5.5 hours would mean something was definitely wrong From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Mar 22 15:02:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12922 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Mar 1994 15:02:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id NAA23390; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 13:05:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 13:05:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id NAA23353; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 13:05:21 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA01668; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 10:05:31 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.7/8.6.4) id KAA21392; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 10:05:22 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199403221805.KAA21392@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Suspend modes To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 10:05:22 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9403221532.AA24026@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Mar 22, 94 10:32:56 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Suspend does use a fair amount of battery power. Expecting it to last 30 > hours is unrealistic. If you suspend then you should remember to plug in > at night. I've put my machine in suspend for about 24 hours (I have a total of 12MB RAM) and lost no more than 15 to 20% of battery juice. Seems to me that conceivably, you could but it in suspend for 3 or 4 days and still have some juice (assuming it was fully charged to begin with--though it would definitely be due for a recharge!). Maybe your machine sucking up lots of power like his? > I personally find that hibernation (with 20 megs) takes about as long as > a shut-down reboot, so I find it pretty painful and don't feel like wasting > 20 megs of disk space on the feature. Can't say that I blame you! ;) ----- Randy Whittle whittle@scf.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48 & 100LX user, and...*Proud* to be Conservative! "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept." -Calvin +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ | o o o o | | Just because we disagree doesn't | | <><><> <> | /-+-- --+X | mean I have to kill you. | | |||||| || | /> <\ | ...Unless, of course, I really want to... | +-------------+--------------+---------------------------------------------+ (Standard disclaimers apply--and if you're a liberal wacko, go soak your head.) From jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu Tue Mar 22 20:42:42 1994 Received: from jenner.med.harvard.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23727 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Mar 1994 20:42:40 -0600 Received: from warren.med.harvard.edu by jenner.med.harvard.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25369; Tue, 22 Mar 94 21:40:49 -0500 Received: from ccMail by warren.med.harvard.edu id AA764400460 Tue, 22 Mar 94 21:27:40 EST Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 21:27:40 EST From: jbormel@warren.med.harvard.edu Message-Id: <9402227644.AA764400460@warren.med.harvard.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Suspend modes Status: OR I stumbled upon how to turn off the hard disk NOW while not turning off the display. (The reason you might enjoy doing this, in addition to the power saving, is that the thinkpad becomes silent!). There is a shareware program called COLAP (short for color laptop utility) that runs in DOS or a dos box in windows on dos. It has an option for toshiba machines, /T, that enables you, even on the tp750, to press RIGHT-SHIFT with DEL keys to turn off the hard disk. In addition, it can dim or brighten the VGA screen by altering vga color pallate. I was pleasantly surprised that the TOSHIBA setting worked. Time to start experimenting with other programs. >I rarely explicitely enter suspend. (I wish I could get >a mode like standby where the disk spins down but the >display stays on.) >>you could always go to the settings and set the disk to >>spin >>down sooner than the screen. That would sort of do it. >>But >>the main problem is that the screen is probably what sucks >>up >>most of the juice. Another solution is to work off a RAM >>disk... at least in DOS anyway... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 22 22:11:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21532 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Mar 1994 22:11:16 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id WAA01531; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 22:54:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 22:54:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id WAA01519; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 22:54:25 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA17943; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:53:06 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:55:14 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Message-Id: <71714.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: An answer on programming tp750 audio, sort of. Status: OR I've come across the email address of somebody on tp750 development in Japan (No I won't distribute it, yet. I'll ask him if he wants it distributed). Here's what he had to say on programming the tp750 audio: And yes, I'm aware that my mailer sometimes doesn't put in my full return address. As I have 3 mail accounts, I have yet to track down which one is the culprit... ------------------------------ From: Ken Inoue xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Tue, 22 Mar 94 19:18:04 JST To: "John Kim" Subject: Who at IBM is in charge of TP750 stuff? .... Re programming the 750 audio, unfortunately I am not familiar with the register level details. If your people wish to program directly to the hardware, they may want to contact Crystal Semiconductor (the author of the Windows audio driver 1.0). Alternatively, they can write to the published device driver APIs for DOS, Windows, or OS/2 MMPM. ------------------------------ So I guess the next step for those of you who want to program the audio hardware directly is to find out who Crystal Semiconductor is and how to reach them. -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 22 22:11:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21696 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Mar 1994 22:11:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id WAA01552; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 22:54:44 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 22:54:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id WAA01533; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 22:54:33 -0500 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA17940; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:53:01 -0800 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:55:04 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Message-Id: <71705.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: bruce@objy.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Suspend modes Status: OR In message Mon, 21 Mar 94 11:43:00 PST, Bruce Reed writes: > running OS/2 yesterday and put the machine (750C) into suspend at about > 10:00. At that point it claimed I had a battery that was 80% charged. > I opened the lid at about 3:30 and found the system totally dead. I > thought that suspend mode was pretty thrifty, but I guess not. I've > got 12 Mbytes and I guess it has to keep that and the CPU alive in > a limited fashion (is there an SL mode that just keeps the current > context, like registers and so forth?) That would seem to require > little power though. Anyone else had similar experiences? I've got 12MB as well, and I get about 2 days in suspend with a full battery. I think there are a couple possibilities for what happened. The most likely is that the battery gauge was off when you put it into suspend - it was reading 80% when there was really only 30% or something like that. I've noticed this happens frequently when I charge a lot of times without draining the battery, but I don't know if that's the cause. The other possibility is that the TP just turned itself off. I've had this happen a couple times too. My guess is that the computer misreads the amount of voltage coming off the battery, thinks it's drained, and shuts off. 10 seconds to come out of hibernate? It's beginning to sound better and better. I need a bigger hard drive... :) -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 22 22:38:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00160 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Mar 1994 22:38:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id XAA02688; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 23:13:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 23:13:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id XAA02682; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 23:13:46 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id XAA08479; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 23:13:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199403230413.XAA08479@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: An answer on programming tp750 audio, sort of. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:55:14 PST." <71714.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 23:13:44 -0500 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > Re programming the 750 audio, unfortunately I am not familiar with > the register level details. If your people wish to program directly > to the hardware, they may want to contact Crystal Semiconductor (the > author of the Windows audio driver 1.0). Alternatively, they can > write to the published device driver APIs for DOS, Windows, or OS/2 > MMPM. > > So I guess the next step for those of you who want to program the > audio hardware directly is to find out who Crystal Semiconductor is > and how to reach them. Thanks. This does help a tiny bit, in that it verifies what another unnamed source at IBM had told me -- that the audio chip used in the tp750 is manufactured by both Analog Devices and Crystal Semiconductor. (apparently the two chips are compatible) If you find out any more, please let me (us?) know! Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Mar 22 22:47:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02328 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Mar 1994 22:47:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id XAA02669; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 23:12:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 23:12:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uu9.psi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id XAA02662; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 23:12:25 -0500 Received: from channel1.UUCP by uu9.psi.com (5.65b/4.0.061193-PSI/PSINet) via UUCP; id AA25286 for ; Tue, 22 Mar 94 22:57:43 -0500 Received: by channel1 (PCBuucp 2.0) with UUCP id E1856F; Tue, 22 Mar 94 22:46:33 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Joystick/Case/Sound From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Message-Id: <40.335179.700.0CE1856F@channel1.com> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 11:32:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1 Communications Status: OR Subject: Joystick/Case/Sound Greetings... A few questions: 1) Turtle Beach is advertising a PCMCIA Audio Advantage sound card for $99. Anyone know anything about this sound card, or any way to give the 750c full Soundblaster compatibility with most games? 2) Is there an adapter for the 750c, that would allow you to plug in a regular Joystick? 3) I've see people in here discus 750c bag, but, has anyone come across a *Safari* canvas type bag? Something that wouldn't SCREAM "Laptop in Here"! I know there is a company in England that manufactures a GREAT light brown canvas camera bag with leather trim. Very expensive, but the quality is unmatched. The great thing about it, you would never guess it was a camera bag. Thanks in advance.... Joseph Pereira From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 23 00:13:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29243 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Mar 1994 00:13:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id AAA08451; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 00:49:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 00:49:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from austin.wireline.slb.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id AAA08444; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 00:49:29 -0500 From: Received: from cedrick (CEDRICK.AUSTIN.WIRELINE.SLB.COM) by austin.wireline.slb.com (4.1/relay.931202a) id AA25294; Tue, 22 Mar 94 23:45:16 CST Received: by cedrick (4.1/client.nfs.930922a) id AA27957; Tue, 22 Mar 94 23:49:00 CST Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 23:49:00 CST Message-Id: <9403230549.AA27957@cedrick> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Battery life with 12 meg vs. 20 meg of memory Status: OR I'm about to get more memory for my 750C and I'm trying to decide if I want to get an 8 or 16 meg card. Does anyone know how much battery life I might loose with the 16 meg vs. the 8 meg card, for both active and suspend mode (if it makes a difference)? Thanks, Wes From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 23 00:20:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00552 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Mar 1994 00:19:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id AAA08732; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 00:55:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 00:55:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from austin.wireline.slb.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id AAA08712; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 00:55:34 -0500 From: Received: from cedrick (CEDRICK.AUSTIN.WIRELINE.SLB.COM) by austin.wireline.slb.com (4.1/relay.931202a) id AA25441; Tue, 22 Mar 94 23:51:22 CST Received: by cedrick (4.1/client.nfs.930922a) id AA27964; Tue, 22 Mar 94 23:55:05 CST Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 23:55:05 CST Message-Id: <9403230555.AA27964@cedrick> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: [jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu: Re: Suspend modes] Status: OR What kind of memory did you have? I saw some messages about six weeks back (either on this list or in the laptop newsgroup, I don't recall which) about some third party memory mislabling such that 5 volt memory was being sold as 3 volt memory. Incredibly, it often worked, but it had the side effect of rapdily draining the battery. Sometimes there's a reason why cheap memory is cheap. Be careful. Wes Return-Path: X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 22:54:44 EST X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 22 Mar 1994 19:55:04 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu To: bruce@objy.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Suspend modes In message Mon, 21 Mar 94 11:43:00 PST, Bruce Reed writes: > running OS/2 yesterday and put the machine (750C) into suspend at about > 10:00. At that point it claimed I had a battery that was 80% charged. > I opened the lid at about 3:30 and found the system totally dead. I > thought that suspend mode was pretty thrifty, but I guess not. I've > got 12 Mbytes and I guess it has to keep that and the CPU alive in > a limited fashion (is there an SL mode that just keeps the current > context, like registers and so forth?) That would seem to require > little power though. Anyone else had similar experiences? I've got 12MB as well, and I get about 2 days in suspend with a full battery. I think there are a couple possibilities for what happened. The most likely is that the battery gauge was off when you put it into suspend - it was reading 80% when there was really only 30% or something like that. I've noticed this happens frequently when I charge a lot of times without draining the battery, but I don't know if that's the cause. The other possibility is that the TP just turned itself off. I've had this happen a couple times too. My guess is that the computer misreads the amount of voltage coming off the battery, thinks it's drained, and shuts off. 10 seconds to come out of hibernate? It's beginning to sound better and better. I need a bigger hard drive... :) -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Mar 23 00:29:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02712 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Mar 1994 00:29:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id BAA08909; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 01:00:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 01:00:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from austin.wireline.slb.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.8s-UTK) id BAA08894; Wed, 23 Mar 1994 01:00:23 -0500 From: Received: from cedrick (CEDRICK.AUSTIN.WIRELINE.SLB.COM) by austin.wireline.slb.com (4.1/relay.931202a) id AA25510; Tue, 22 Mar 94 23:56:12 CST Received: by cedrick (4.1/client.nfs.930922a) id AA27971; Tue, 22 Mar 94 23:59:55 CST Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 23:59:55 CST Message-Id: <9403230559.AA27971@cedrick> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: [joseph.pereira@channel1.com: Joystick/Case/Sound] Status: OR Another suggestion if you want a bag that doesn't yell "something expensive in here" is to look at diaper bags. Yes, that's right. Diaper bags. I knew a professional photographer many years ago who carried all of his camera gear in a diaper bag. He could leave it unlocked in the back seat of his car with the windows down, and it was never touched. Return-Path: X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Mar 1994 23:12:27 EST To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Joystick/Case/Sound From: joseph.pereira@channel1.com (Joseph Pereira) Date: Tue, 22 Mar 94 11:32:00 -0500 Organization: Channel 1 Communications Subject: Joystick/Case/Sound Greetings... A few questions: 1) Turtle Beach is advertising a PCMCIA Audio Advantage sound card for $99. Anyone know anything about this sound card, or any way to give the 750c full Soundblaster compatibility with most games? 2) Is there an adapter for the 750c, that would allow you to plug in a regular Joystick? 3) I've see people in here discus 750c bag, but, has anyone come across a *Safari* canvas type bag? Something that wouldn't SCREAM "Laptop in Here"! I know there is a company in England that manufactures a GREAT light brown canvas camera bag with leather trim. Very expensive, but the quality is unmatched. The great thing about it, you would never guess it was a camera bag. Thanks in advance.... Joseph Pereira