From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 30 15:56:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15816 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 30 Jun 1994 15:56:24 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17186; Thu, 30 Jun 1994 12:17:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 30 Jun 1994 12:16:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17173; Thu, 30 Jun 1994 12:16:53 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA11296 for ; Thu, 30 Jun 1994 09:16:40 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id JAA29718 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 30 Jun 1994 09:16:38 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199406301616.JAA29718@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Serial port & Modems (External) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 1994 09:16:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Is there anyone on this list who uses the external serial port and connects a v.32bis modem to it? I realize lots of you have PCMCIA modems, but I'm curious as to any who just have a plain 'ol external. I recently got a new USR Courier "V.Everything" (28.8K) modem for my desktop (where most all of my modeming is done) and since I have a "spare" modem in the form of a Supra V.32bis FaxModem, I decided to try running it from my ThinkPad. I runs fine when I lock it down at about 9600 baud, but at 14.4K Baud, I have some problems. Namely, it seems to scramble an occasional character when I'm in this EMACS editor, but more seriously, prevents any meaningful file transfer at 14.4K baud (though 9600 works okay). It produces a number of CRC errors. I am using hardware flow control locked at 19200 in both Windows and in Procomm Plus for Win (which is the same as I use on my desktop--except that on the desktop I lock them at 57600). I presume that the ThinkPad's external serial port does *noot* have a 16550 UART which might be the problem. Is there any way around this? Would I have to get software serial port drivers (like turbocomm) or a PCMCIA modem to communicate at 14.4K baud or higher? Suggestions please? ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jun 30 17:02:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05136 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 30 Jun 1994 17:02:10 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04289; Thu, 30 Jun 1994 17:30:46 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 30 Jun 1994 17:30:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ns.ge.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04273; Thu, 30 Jun 1994 17:30:42 -0400 From: Received: from [3.29.7.8] by ns.ge.com (5.65/GE Gateway 1.23) with SMTP id AA16138; Thu, 30 Jun 94 17:23:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 Jun 94 17:23:12 -0400 Message-Id: <9406302123.AA16138@ns.ge.com> Apparently-To: Status: OR >From andy Thu Jun 30 17:30:24 EDT 1994 remote from spencer.salem.ge.com Received: from spencer.salem.ge.com by salem.salem.ge.com; Thu, 30 Jun 1994 17:29 EDT Received: by spencer.salem.ge.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.25.1 #25.2) id ; Thu, 30 Jun 94 17:30 EST Message-Id: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 94 17:30:24 EDT From: andy@spencer.salem.ge.com (Andy Spencer) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Serial port & Modems (External) In-Reply-To: Message from owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU of 30-Jun-94 X-Mailer: GE Openmail [version L1.0.4] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1788 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >From: Randal Whittle > > Is there anyone on this list who uses the external serial port >and connects a v.32bis modem to it? I realize lots of you have PCMCIA >modems, but I'm curious as to any who just have a plain 'ol external. [...] > I am using hardware flow control locked at 19200 in both Windows >and in Procomm Plus for Win (which is the same as I use on my desktop--except >that on the desktop I lock them at 57600). I presume that the ThinkPad's >external serial port does *noot* have a 16550 UART which might be the >problem. ^^^^^^^^^^ BINGO. it's got a 16450. We've seen the same problem in UNIX, it just doesn't seem to work worth a hoot above 9600. > Is there any way around this? Would I have to get software >serial port drivers (like turbocomm) or a PCMCIA modem to communicate at >14.4K baud or higher? We've been using a real-time UNIX which usually has no problem keeping up with a USR Courier w/ v.32, but we've had to give up on the 750's COM1 port. Even a direct SL/IP line is only good at 9600. Sorry... -- GGGG EEEEE DDDD SSSS Andy Spencer G E D D S andy@spencer.salem.ge.com G GGG EEE D D SSSS (703) 387-7361 (Voice) G G E D D S (703) 387-8651 (Fax) GGGGG EEEEE DDDD SSSS - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - GE Drive Systems 1501 Roanoke Blvd / Rm 287 Salem, VA 24153 ======================================================================= From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 1 09:06:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12399 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 09:06:08 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20048; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 09:36:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 09:36:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20041; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 09:36:38 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03818; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 06:34:11 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 06:37:15 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <23836.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Serial port & Modems (External) Status: OR In message Thu, 30 Jun 1994 09:16:37 -0700 (PDT), Randal Whittle writes: > Is there anyone on this list who uses the external serial port > and connects a v.32bis modem to it? I did this for a while with an Intel 14.4 fax/modem. > I runs fine when I lock it down at about 9600 baud, but at 14.4K > Baud, I have some problems. Namely, it seems to scramble an occasional > character when I'm in this EMACS editor, but more seriously, prevents > any meaningful file transfer at 14.4K baud (though 9600 works okay). It > produces a number of CRC errors. Yes, the TP750 only has a 16450 UART. On top of that, the serial port seems to be worse than others (my 386/33 with a 16450 had better performance while multitasking under OS/2). Someone else messing with (I think) a SLIP connection reported problems even with a bare config.sys and autoexec.bat. One thing that does cause problems is the DOS FuelDOS TSR. If you're loading that, don't. You might also try removing all nonessentials from your config.sys, autoexec.bat, and auto-starting Windows programs one by one to see if any of them are causing problems. Once I got rid of FUELDOS I had no problem with file transfers at 14.4 kbps under DOS. OS/2 still dropped the occasional character. Does anyone know if the 755 (and 360 and 510) have a 16550? I think it's a disgrace that vendors try to save a few bucks by using a 16450. This ranks right up there with clocks that are less accurate than $5 digital watches. -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 1 09:49:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22870 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 09:49:25 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25158; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 10:23:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 10:23:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alf.uib.no by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25151; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 10:23:29 -0400 Received: from pc161.sv-fak.uib.no by alf.uib.no with SMTP (PP) id <00944-0@alf.uib.no>; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:23:15 +0200 X-Nupop-Charset: Norwegian/Danish Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:23:24 +0100 (CET) From: Thor Oivind Jensen Sender: Thor.O.Jensen@aorg.uib.no Message-Id: <59010.soatj@alf.uib.no> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Disk compression Status: OR I am seriously trying to use the Windows system on my TP750C. I am used to the simple and fast DesqView on my old l40SX with 40M disk and 4M memory. With 12M on the TP I can use programs with just a little agression, but 170M is very little, 140M programs gives little room for data. The price for a 340M disk is frightening and there is no trade-in arrangement. SO: What is the experience with the compression program that is delivered with IBM DOS 6.1. I it simple and safe to use ??? Thor \ivind Jensen Institutt for administrasjon og organisasjonsvitenskap Christiesgt 17 N-5007 BERGEN, Norway ++47 5 212153 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 1 10:30:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03209 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 10:30:08 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27016; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 10:43:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 10:43:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27009; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 10:43:53 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id HAA05727; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 07:43:45 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id HAA23328; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 07:43:43 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407011443.HAA23328@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Serial port & Modems (External) To: jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca (James Cummings) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 07:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9407010550.AA11319@epas.utoronto.ca> from "James Cummings" at Jul 1, 94 01:50:34 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > Is there anyone on this list who uses the external serial port > >and connects a v.32bis modem to it? I realize lots of you have PCMCIA > >modems, but I'm curious as to any who just have a plain 'ol external. > > > > I recently got a new USR Courier "V.Everything" (28.8K) modem > >for my desktop (where most all of my modeming is done) and since I have > >a "spare" modem in the form of a Supra V.32bis FaxModem, I decided to try > >running it from my ThinkPad. > > > > I runs fine when I lock it down at about 9600 baud, but at 14.4K > >Baud, I have some problems. Namely, it seems to scramble an occasional > >character when I'm in this EMACS editor, but more seriously, prevents > >any meaningful file transfer at 14.4K baud (though 9600 works okay). It > >produces a number of CRC errors. > If someone has not already suggested it, remove FUELDOS.EXE > it fiddles with the serial port for some unknown reason. > I had the same problem.. removedit and I wa fine! > > -James It was suggested by one person (thanks again, by the way), but it did not work. I think, under Windows at least, I'm doomed to 9600 baud unless a 16550 UART magically appears--I'm *really* ticked that IBM would scrimp on an important item like that (costs a whopping $5 more at the most) on such an otherwise wonderful machine. I guess they figured everyone would use PCMCIA modems and not externals. Which begs the question, oh you PCMCIA gurus: Do you ever have any trouble using your 14.4K PCMCIA modems under windows? Is the "serial" port in the PCMCIA slot fast enough to keep up with things? I would like to know the answer to these things before I sink $ into one someday--and do you think PCMCIA would still work fine with a 28.8K modem? Now maybe one can do 14.4K on an external serial under DOS, but I prefer Windows (or as Sean suggested--use OS/2! Damn you Sean--you got me there!). ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 1 10:40:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05476 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 10:40:08 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27953; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 10:54:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 10:54:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27946; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 10:54:12 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id HAA06134; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 07:54:09 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id HAA23616; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 07:54:03 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407011454.HAA23616@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Serial port & Modems (External) To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 07:54:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <23836.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Jul 1, 94 06:37:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > Is there anyone on this list who uses the external serial port > > and connects a v.32bis modem to it? > > I did this for a while with an Intel 14.4 fax/modem. > > > I runs fine when I lock it down at about 9600 baud, but at 14.4K > > Baud, I have some problems. Namely, it seems to scramble an occasional > > character when I'm in this EMACS editor, but more seriously, prevents > > any meaningful file transfer at 14.4K baud (though 9600 works okay). It > > produces a number of CRC errors. > > Yes, the TP750 only has a 16450 UART. On top of that, the serial port seems > to be worse than others (my 386/33 with a 16450 had better performance while > multitasking under OS/2). Someone else messing with (I think) a SLIP > connection reported problems even with a bare config.sys and autoexec.bat. > > One thing that does cause problems is the DOS FuelDOS TSR. If you're It was suggested that I not load it, so I took it out--no difference. > loading that, don't. You might also try removing all nonessentials from > your config.sys, autoexec.bat, and auto-starting Windows programs one by > one to see if any of them are causing problems. Once I got rid of FUELDOS > I had no problem with file transfers at 14.4 kbps under DOS. OS/2 still > dropped the occasional character. If OS/2 dropped a character every now and then, you can imagine what was happening in Windows! I'm not interested in dropping to DOS for communications either... Is there any kind of difficulty with the faster PCMCIA modems? > Does anyone know if the 755 (and 360 and 510) have a 16550? I think it's a > disgrace that vendors try to save a few bucks by using a 16450. This ranks > right up there with clocks that are less accurate than $5 digital watches. Indeed--I paid $5000 for this machine, you'd think I'd get the slight premium feature of a 16550 UART.... Of course, I noticed (a week late) a few weeks ago, some guy selling a 755Cs for *one half* what it was worth--I could shoot myself for not looking in that newspaper sooner. I figure I could switch the screens and hard drive and had myself a wonderful 755C for myself and a 750Cs to sell! ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 1 10:43:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06213 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 10:43:33 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28980; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:04:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:04:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28973; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:04:25 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA26074 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:04:06 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA20044; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:03:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:03:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: Re: Serial port & Modems (External) To: Randal Whittle Cc: James Cummings , TP In-Reply-To: <199407011443.HAA23328@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Try getting a replacement for comm.drv which is your \windows\system directory. I think delrina's replacement is freely available at ftp sites and there are a couple of others around as well. The original comm.drv with windows 3.1 is awful. With the replacement comm.drv I got with qmodem pro for windows I'm now able to download in the background without any loss in speed at 14.4k and I can even work in a full screen Dos windows while downloading with throughput dropping to about a 9600 level. Of course, I have one of those antique TP700's with a 16550AFN serial port :) Joshua Hosseinoff -------- hosseino@yu1.yu.edu Work: (908) 885-4252 Minus Home: (718) 591-7377 Equals: Long Commute > It was suggested by one person (thanks again, by the way), but it > did not work.I think, under Windows at least, I'm doomed to 9600 baud > unless a 16550 UART magically appears--I'm *really* ticked that IBM would > scrimp on an important item like that (costs a whopping $5 more at the most) > on such an otherwise wonderful machine.I guess they figured everyone would > use PCMCIA modems and not externals. > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 1 10:45:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06671 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 10:45:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28791; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:02:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:02:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28749; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:02:11 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA06454; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 08:02:03 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id IAA23904; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 08:02:01 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407011502.IAA23904@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Disk compression To: Thor.O.Jensen@aorg.uib.no (Thor Oivind Jensen) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 08:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <59010.soatj@alf.uib.no> from "Thor Oivind Jensen" at Jul 1, 94 04:23:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I am seriously trying to use the Windows system on my TP750C. I am used to > the simple and fast DesqView on my old l40SX with 40M disk and 4M memory. > With 12M on the TP I can use programs with just a little agression, but 170M > is very little, 140M programs gives little room for data. The price for a > 340M disk is frightening and there is no trade-in arrangement. > > SO: > What is the experience with the compression program that is delivered with > IBM DOS 6.1. I it simple and safe to use ??? > Thor \ivind Jensen I use Stacker 4.0 which has some *really* incredible compression (I've never seen a compressed drive do more than 1.8:1--and that was lucky. My Stacker 4.0 drive now does in excess of 1.9:1, after previously only getting 1.7:1 under previous compression software). I have no problems with it--runs like a peach. The stuff that comes with IBM DOS is SuperStor, and while I cannot vouch for them personally, I've heard nothing but good stuff about it. I think you'll be safe with it. A couple things to keep in mind: (1) Make sure you leave a significant uncompressed drive space if at all possible. There are times you'll really want it. I suggest 20 to 30 MB at a minimum. (2) Do not "swap" the drives (i.e., after bootup, the compressed drive suddenly becomes "C:" and the uncompressed gets switched to "D:". There is usually a driver that can do this). It is just too confusing and you'll have trouble at times with software installations. Just treat the compressed volume as the next logical drive (D:) and re-install your software such that it all knows they're on the D: drive... Good luck! ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 1 11:09:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13190 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:09:41 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00929; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:25:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:25:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00846; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:24:36 -0400 Subject: Re: Serial port & Modems (External) To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:24:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Tyhurst Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <23836.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Jul 1, 94 06:37:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9407011124.aa01955@dogmead.excelsior.com> Status: OR > Does anyone know if the 755 (and 360 and 510) have a 16550? I think it's a > disgrace that vendors try to save a few bucks by using a 16450. This ranks > right up there with clocks that are less accurate than $5 digital watches. Certainly the 360 has a 16550, and thus the 755 surely does. Don't know about the 510, though. -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 1 11:32:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20552 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:32:12 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03519; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:54:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:54:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03505; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 11:54:37 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA06905; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 08:13:47 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id IAA24226; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 08:13:46 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407011513.IAA24226@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Serial port & Modems (External) To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu (Joshua Hosseinoff) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 08:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Joshua Hosseinoff" at Jul 1, 94 11:03:46 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Try getting a replacement for comm.drv which is your \windows\system > directory. I think delrina's replacement is freely available at ftp > sites and there are a couple of others around as well. The original > comm.drv with windows 3.1 is awful. With the replacement comm.drv I got I tried that--but the Delrina Com driver is pretty much geared to a 16550 UART, so it doesn't do much good... > with qmodem pro for windows I'm now able to download in the background > without any loss in speed at 14.4k and I can even work in a full screen > Dos windows while downloading with throughput dropping to about a 9600 > level. Of course, I have one of those antique TP700's with a 16550AFN > serial port :) ^^^^^ The only reason you can do it is because of your 16550 UART! Does anybody have a clue why IBM would put 16550 UARTs in their early 700 series ThinkPads but not in the 750's?!!!! This is ANGERING! :( ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 1 12:17:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02778 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 12:17:13 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08119; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 12:45:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 12:45:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tiamat.umd.umich.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08112; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 12:45:53 -0400 Received: from cw-u03.umd.umich.edu by tiamat.umd.umich.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00650; Fri, 1 Jul 94 12:45:48 EDT From: adam@tiamat.umd.umich.edu (Adam Wilkinson) Message-Id: <9407011645.AA00650@tiamat.umd.umich.edu> Subject: Re: Serial port & Modems (External) (fwd) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 12:45:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: OR > > > > Is there anyone on this list who uses the external serial port > > >and connects a v.32bis modem to it? I realize lots of you have PCMCIA > > >modems, but I'm curious as to any who just have a plain 'ol external. > > > > > > I recently got a new USR Courier "V.Everything" (28.8K) modem > > >for my desktop (where most all of my modeming is done) and since I have > > >a "spare" modem in the form of a Supra V.32bis FaxModem, I decided to try > > >running it from my ThinkPad. > > > > > > I runs fine when I lock it down at about 9600 baud, but at 14.4K > > >Baud, I have some problems. Namely, it seems to scramble an occasional > > >character when I'm in this EMACS editor, but more seriously, prevents > > >any meaningful file transfer at 14.4K baud (though 9600 works okay). It > > >produces a number of CRC errors. > > > If someone has not already suggested it, remove FUELDOS.EXE > > it fiddles with the serial port for some unknown reason. > > I had the same problem.. removedit and I wa fine! > > > > -James > > It was suggested by one person (thanks again, by the way), but it > did not work. I think, under Windows at least, I'm doomed to 9600 baud > unless a 16550 UART magically appears--I'm *really* ticked that IBM would > scrimp on an important item like that (costs a whopping $5 more at the most) > on such an otherwise wonderful machine. I guess they figured everyone would > use PCMCIA modems and not externals. > > Which begs the question, oh you PCMCIA gurus: Do you ever have > any trouble using your 14.4K PCMCIA modems under windows? Is the "serial" > port in the PCMCIA slot fast enough to keep up with things? I would like > to know the answer to these things before I sink $ into one someday--and > do you think PCMCIA would still work fine with a 28.8K modem? > > Now maybe one can do 14.4K on an external serial under DOS, but I > prefer Windows (or as Sean suggested--use OS/2! Damn you Sean--you got me > there!). > Two things -- first, make sure you have the latest verion of FUELDOS, I understand that the newer verions do not adversely affect serial communicaitons. Second, the reason that almost all manufacturers, particularly of notebooks, use a 16450, is because that what's in Intel's standard support chipset. Using a 16550 would mean either somehow disbalg that UART, or using another support chipset -- so much for compatibility. IBM had a 16550 on the 700/720 because those ran on an IBM processor with IBM suport circuitry. -- Adam Lee Wilkinson * Just remember, no matter where you go, adam@tiamat.umd.umich.edu * there you are! Compuserve: 75470,71 * - Buckaroo Bonzai From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 1 12:20:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03785 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 12:20:48 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08171; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 12:47:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 12:47:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tiamat.umd.umich.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08164; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 12:47:56 -0400 Received: from cw-u03.umd.umich.edu by tiamat.umd.umich.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00673; Fri, 1 Jul 94 12:47:52 EDT From: adam@tiamat.umd.umich.edu (Adam Wilkinson) Message-Id: <9407011647.AA00673@tiamat.umd.umich.edu> Subject: Re: Serial port & Modems (External) (fwd) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 12:47:53 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL20] Content-Type: text Status: OR Forwarded message: > > > Does anyone know if the 755 (and 360 and 510) have a 16550? I think it's a > > disgrace that vendors try to save a few bucks by using a 16450. This ranks > > right up there with clocks that are less accurate than $5 digital watches. > > Certainly the 360 has a 16550, and thus the 755 surely does. Don't know > about the 510, though. > The TP755 does as well. -- Adam Lee Wilkinson * Just remember, no matter where you go, adam@tiamat.umd.umich.edu * there you are! Compuserve: 75470,71 * - Buckaroo Bonzai From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 1 16:40:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14737 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 16:40:50 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21708; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 17:14:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 17:14:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21697; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 17:14:25 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA04634; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 14:11:53 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 14:14:59 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <51299.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Serial port & Modems (External) Status: OR In message Fri, 1 Jul 1994 08:13:45 -0700 (PDT), Randal Whittle writes: >> about a 9600 level. Of course, I have one of those antique TP700's >> with a 16550AFN serial port :) ^^^^^ > Does anybody have a clue why IBM would put 16550 UARTs in their > early 700 series ThinkPads but not in the 750's?!!!! This is ANGERING! :( The 700 and 720 were MicroChannel Architecture machines. All MCA machines have 16550 UARTs (as well as other features that make multitasking go more smoothly). The 750 was in a way a concession to the market's continuing use of ISA - it is an ISA machine. I guess too many people complained they couldn't run Linux on the Thinkpad 7xx. :) I think the real reason is that the docking station for an MCA machine could only take MCA cards (unless you plunked down more money for an adapter). Enough people complained they wanted to use ISA cards so they got their wish. Personally I think they should've stuck with MCA. I doubt they're selling *that* many docking stations, especially at the price they charge. -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 1 17:27:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24576 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 17:27:43 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23298; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 17:50:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 17:50:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA23272; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 17:50:15 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA27597; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 14:50:10 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id OAA06022; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 14:50:01 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407012150.OAA06022@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Serial port & Modems (External) To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 14:50:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <51299.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Jul 1, 94 02:14:59 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > Does anybody have a clue why IBM would put 16550 UARTs in their > > early 700 series ThinkPads but not in the 750's?!!!! This is ANGERING! :( > > The 700 and 720 were MicroChannel Architecture machines. All MCA machines > have 16550 UARTs (as well as other features that make multitasking go more > smoothly). The 750 was in a way a concession to the market's continuing > use of ISA - it is an ISA machine. I guess too many people complained they > couldn't run Linux on the Thinkpad 7xx. :) With the sole exception of one person's claim that a 16550 UART was not supported by the Intel Chipset in the TP750 (which, considering a lot of machines with 16550's are not ones with Intel chipsets, so I don't quite understand that line of reasoning), I don't see why the 750 *couldn't* use a 16550 UART. I suppose the real solution is just simply to buy/use a PCMCIA modem and use the external serial port for less data-intensive operations (like connecting to my HP100LX) or simply to stick with modeming under DOS and not Windows (or apparently, even OS/2). Speaking of which--anyone want to hazard a guess as to when a V.34 PCMCIA modem will be out and what they will cost? With V.34 recently ratified (with only the formality of a final vote remaining--not much to worry about), most people are saying full V.34 modems will be available for purchase as early as the next month or two, and no later than this fall. What kind of a delay can we expect in PCMCIA's? I want an XJack 28.8.... :) > I think the real reason is that the docking station for an MCA machine could > only take MCA cards (unless you plunked down more money for an adapter). > Enough people complained they wanted to use ISA cards so they got their > wish. Well, I can see the point--and a lot of people in this mailing list use their TP's as "everything" machines (I don't--I have a separate desktop machine, but I guess I'm more fortunate). > Personally I think they should've stuck with MCA. I doubt they're selling > *that* many docking stations, especially at the price they charge. I would have to agree. I don't know how much of a performance difference it would make in a notebook machine though. After all, our ISA-Based 750's have accelerated (are they local bus too?) graphics, so I don't know what performance gains I would obtain by having an MCA bus (other than a good UART!). I suppose I'd have no problem with them going to an ISA bus if they hadn't left such a key feature (the 16550 UART) behind in the process-- and IMO, unnecessarily so. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 1 19:24:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07802 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 19:24:38 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28280; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 20:03:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 20:03:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from fire.ml.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28273; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 20:03:45 -0400 Received: from ml.com ([146.125.4.24]) by fire.ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with ESMTP id TAA11035; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 19:59:51 -0400 Received: from gedny07.gedny.ml.com (gedny07.gedny.ml.com [146.125.9.7]) by ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with SMTP id UAA14487; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 20:01:43 -0400 Received: from gedny29.gedny by gedny07.gedny.ml.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18411; Fri, 1 Jul 94 20:02:51 EDT Date: Fri, 1 Jul 94 20:02:51 EDT From: chetal@gedny.ml.com (Pradeep Chetal) Message-Id: <9407020002.AA18411@gedny07.gedny.ml.com> Received: by gedny29.gedny (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18557; Fri, 1 Jul 94 20:02:49 EDT To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Cc: whittle@chaph.usc.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Serial port & Modems (External) In-Reply-To: <51299.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> References: <51299.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> Status: OR writes: > In message Fri, 1 Jul 1994 08:13:45 -0700 (PDT), > Randal Whittle writes: > > >> about a 9600 level. Of course, I have one of those antique TP700's > >> with a 16550AFN serial port :) ^^^^^ > > > Does anybody have a clue why IBM would put 16550 UARTs in their > > early 700 series ThinkPads but not in the 750's?!!!! This is ANGERING! :( > > The 700 and 720 were MicroChannel Architecture machines. All MCA machines > have 16550 UARTs (as well as other features that make multitasking go more > smoothly). The 750 was in a way a concession to the market's continuing > use of ISA - it is an ISA machine. I guess too many people complained they > couldn't run Linux on the Thinkpad 7xx. :) > I have a THinkPad 750Cs and would like to run Linux on it. Is it possible without too much work? THanks, /Pradeep From whittle@chaph.usc.edu Fri Jul 1 20:21:00 1994 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13392 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 20:20:58 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA05994; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 18:21:11 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id SAA26170; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 18:21:05 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407020121.SAA26170@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Serial port & Modems (External) To: chetal@gedny.ml.com (Pradeep Chetal) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 18:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) In-Reply-To: <9407020002.AA18411@gedny07.gedny.ml.com> from "Pradeep Chetal" at Jul 1, 94 08:02:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1164 Status: OR > > The 700 and 720 were MicroChannel Architecture machines. All MCA machines > > have 16550 UARTs (as well as other features that make multitasking go more > > smoothly). The 750 was in a way a concession to the market's continuing > > use of ISA - it is an ISA machine. I guess too many people complained th > > couldn't run Linux on the Thinkpad 7xx. :) > > > > I have a THinkPad 750Cs and would like to run Linux on it. Is it possible > without too much work? > > THanks, > > /Pradeep Yer talkin' to the wrong guy--I've never tried it. But I've sent a copy of this note to Sean Chou, the TP List "God" and I'm sure he'll point you in the right direction. I think some people have successfully run Linuxx on their TP750's, but with some caveats (I think the floppy drive didn't work right or something). ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 1 20:27:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13976 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 20:27:08 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00830; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 21:02:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 21:02:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00823; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 21:02:00 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA11321 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 20:01:41 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199407020101.AA11321@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Serial port & Modems (External) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 20:01:40 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199407011443.HAA23328@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Jul 1, 94 07:43:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Which begs the question, oh you PCMCIA gurus: Do you ever have > any trouble using your 14.4K PCMCIA modems under windows? Is the "serial" That depends on the PCMCIA modem. All the bigger names that are relatively new seem to have them. I would particularly point to the MegaHertz XJ2114. Many of us got the AT&T Keep-In-Touch modem since, at the time, it was one of the few that had a 16550 UART. I've heard from MHz XJ114 users though that performance wasn't bad despite the lack of a 16550 UART. > do you think PCMCIA would still work fine with a 28.8K modem? Sure. They better... > Now maybe one can do 14.4K on an external serial under DOS, but I > prefer Windows (or as Sean suggested--use OS/2! Damn you Sean--you got me > there!). May as well try Turbocomm and that one other package (I forget the name). And let us know how it works! Oh yeah, about OS/2...yup! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 1 20:30:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14358 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 20:30:47 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00989; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 21:09:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 21:09:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00982; Fri, 1 Jul 1994 21:09:39 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA12290 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 1 Jul 1994 20:09:21 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199407020109.AA12290@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Linux on the TP's To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Fri, 1 Jul 1994 20:09:20 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <9407020002.AA18411@gedny07.gedny.ml.com> from "Pradeep Chetal" at Jul 1, 94 08:02:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I have a THinkPad 750Cs and would like to run Linux on it. Is it possible > without too much work? It does appear to be possible but not without some work. Get the FAQ from anonymous ftp to assistant.beckman.uiuc.edu. Keith Moore and some others have made many hacks to bring this about but it still doesn't seem to be totally complete. BTW, I'm wonder about Linx and the TP755 and TP360. If anyone has any info, let me know. What video chip do they use? Does anyone have an ASCII spec sheet on them? I'd like to tentatively add it to the FAQ. Any objections? Also, I will be posting the FAQ once I make these alterations. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 4 09:52:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24991 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 4 Jul 1994 09:52:28 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02157; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 10:29:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 10:29:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from biobase.aau.dk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02150; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 10:29:43 -0400 Received: by biobase.aau.dk (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA00328; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 16:28:54 +0200 Message-Id: <9407041428.AA00328@biobase.aau.dk> Subject: Explanations :-) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 4 Jul 94 16:28:54 MET DST From: Paulo Magalhaes In-Reply-To: <83648.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu>; from "John Kim" at Jul 3, 94 11:14 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR Hello again! I didn't explain things properly in my "Introduction" message... Let's see if I can do better this time. :-) > Yes. If your computer should have a DOS on-line reference. Look in the > READIBM directory. If you don't have it I'm sure you can get it off the > IBM BBS or IBM Denmark can get it for you (or someone can mail it to you > although IBM might not be happy if we did that). It's about 1.6 MB > uncompressed. I received my machine with OS2 2.1 pre-loaded - the Danish version... My first (perhaps foolish!) job with it was installing an English version (which I had acquired earlier for my desktop). The company that sold me the machine told me that I was not doing anything illegal, because even though I was "duplicating" the installation of the English version, I did have a license for *two* OS/2s - I didn't ask IBM itself, but it sounds reasonable (any opinions on this?)... Anyway, the bottom line is that I "lost" everything that was on the HD to start with - so, no READIBM directory to consult! I don't really know what file to look for at the IBM Denmark BBS - perhaps it would be simpler if a kind soul could email it to me (zipped and uuencoded)... > Each disk has a readme file on it that describes the installation procedure. > If yours are in Danish, I'd be happy to mail you the English readmes. Just > find out which version of each disk you have so we don't get too confused. It's not just a question of the READMEs... The software itself is in Danish! I have installed the Power Management stuff and - dictionary in hand! - have tried to understand how to work with the different modules (battery, "speed", etc.) Since I'm looking for the English equivalents, I might just as well get the latest versions (the English versions - which I have *not* downloaded - at the IBM Denmark BBS are 1.0 and 1.1, depending on the disks). I have no access to CompuServe - is there an alternative? I was very happy to find out about the availability of PCMCIA fax modems, other than the IBM one (my apologies, it was in the FAQ, but I had not read it when I asked the question). I don't think I'll be able to afford one right now, but I'm interested in knowing what price range we are talking about. Does anybody know how different companies behave in terms of support policies when it comes to foreign customers? This is a very "productive" list - in the sense that I have already seen that "serious questions" are addressed friendly and efficiently. For the time being I guess that my lack of experience will force me to remain on the "asking side", but let me thank publicly all those who spend time elucidating the less "advanced" TP owners. Regards from Copenhagen, Paulo -- Paulo Magalhaes -- Clinical Genetics, Rigshospitalet, Copenhagen, Denmark \\ voice: +45/35454592 \\ fax: +45/35454072 // pamaga@biobase.aau.dk // From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 4 10:11:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02448 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 4 Jul 1994 10:11:50 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11624; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 05:43:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 05:43:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alf.uib.no by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11617; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 05:43:14 -0400 Received: from pc161.sv-fak.uib.no by alf.uib.no with SMTP (PP) id <11756-0@alf.uib.no>; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 11:42:42 +0200 X-Nupop-Charset: Norwegian/Danish Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 11:42:33 +0100 (CET) From: Thor Oivind Jensen Sender: Thor.O.Jensen@aorg.uib.no Message-Id: <42157.soatj@alf.uib.no> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: BACKUP by Tape/Central Point Status: OR On my TP 750 there is this "Central Point Backup" that comes with IBM DOS 6.1. I want to use it with an external streamer (it is of course impossible to put a streamer unit inside the TP) that works with the paralell port. After reading the manuals and looking at all the help files I find that this program can be used with a lot of internal units and via network, but there is no mentioning of the only practical solution for backing up a laptop and transporting files to stationary system: a external unit that works with the paralell port. Is there a solution to this ?? Thor \ivind Jensen Institutt for administrasjon og organisasjonsvitenskap Christiesgt 17 N-5007 BERGEN, Norway ++47 5 212153 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 4 10:12:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02496 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 4 Jul 1994 10:11:59 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21812; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 02:13:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 02:13:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21805; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 02:13:19 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10307; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 23:10:52 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 23:14:02 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Message-Id: <83643.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Disk Add on Status: OR In message Sun, 3 Jul 1994 11:33:00 -0500 (CDT), strat@atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) writes: >> Do you happen to know if >> this place or another place sells the container/case also, so thew new >> drive can be used in conjunction with the old one? > > No.... If you can find the part number of the plastic and the connector > assembly, you may be able to order them from IBM. IBM has a parts center > located near Denver (I think). They have an 800 number. Boulder National Parts Center, Boulder, Colorado. 800-388-7080 I've already called them. They don't have a part number for the case, just the hard drive + case. -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 4 10:12:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02534 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 4 Jul 1994 10:12:04 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21831; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 02:13:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 02:13:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21823; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 02:13:30 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10313; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 23:11:07 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 23:14:17 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Message-Id: <83658.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Serial port & Modems (External) Status: OR In message Sun, 3 Jul 1994 14:30:47 -0500 (EST), "Adam Wilkinson" writes: > In message Fri, 1 Jul 1994 14:14:59 -0800 (PST), > "John Kim" writes: >> Personally I think they should've stuck with MCA. I doubt they're >> selling *that* many docking stations, especially at the price they >> charge. > > Actually, machines based on the ISA achitecture are easier, faster and > cheaper to design and build, regardless of whether or not a docking > station is used. But since the 700 and 720 were *already* MCA, making the 750 MCA would've been a minor redesign, while making it ISA meant starting from scratch. (Something I have GOT to remember - never buy the first version after a complete redesign. I thought I'd learned my lesson after buying a first edition of a book but somehow I keep doing this - last time it was my car.) Oh well, it's ISA now and not much is going to change that. -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 4 10:12:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02558 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 4 Jul 1994 10:12:10 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21821; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 02:13:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 02:13:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21814; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 02:13:25 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA10310; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 23:11:02 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 23:14:07 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Reply-To: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Message-Id: <83648.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: pamaga@biobase.aau.dk, TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Introduction Status: OR In message Sun, 3 Jul 94 19:33:47 MET DST, Paulo Magalhaes writes: > I joined this list because my machine came with a Danish set > of manuals and "additional software" (the three disks that > come with it). Although I am in Denmark, my knowledge of this > language is rather rudimentary, so I would love to get my hands > on the English versions (the company that sold me the machine > wants extra cash for this, and IBM here in Denmark hasn't been > much help). Question 1, then: is there an electronic version > of the manuals? Yes. If your computer should have a DOS on-line reference. Look in the READIBM directory. If you don't have it I'm sure you can get it off the IBM BBS or IBM Denmark can get it for you (or someone can mail it to you although IBM might not be happy if we did that). It's about 1.6 MB uncompressed. > Question 2: can I download an English version > of the three disks I mentioned? (Do similar machines sold in > other countries come with different software?) Each disk has a readme file on it that describes the installation procedure. If yours are in Danish, I'd be happy to mail you the English readmes. Just find out which version of each disk you have so we don't get too confused. > And now that I'm here... I would like to buy a PCMCIA fax/modem > (14.4 or higher) in the nearby future - are there alternatives > to the IBM one? Megahertz and AT&T both make popular 14.4 PCMCIA fax modems (both have 16550 UARTS and really good support policies). Other brands are USR, Practical Peripherals, Intel, and several others. Megahertz has announced they'll release a 28.8 V.34 modem this Fall. Incidently, the Megahertz 1xxx series has a 16450 UART, while the 2xxx series has a 16550 UART. -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 4 10:22:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06388 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 4 Jul 1994 10:22:07 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29730; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 14:31:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 14:31:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tiamat.umd.umich.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29723; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 14:31:14 -0400 Received: by tiamat.umd.umich.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06275; Sun, 3 Jul 94 14:31:09 EDT X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 14:30:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Adam Wilkinson" Sender: adam@tiamat.umd.umich.edu Reply-To: adam@tiamat.umd.umich.edu Message-Id: <52249.adam@tiamat.umd.umich.edu> To: Subject: Re: Serial port & Modems (External) Status: OR In message Fri, 1 Jul 1994 14:14:59 -0800 (PST), "John Kim" writes: > In message Fri, 1 Jul 1994 08:13:45 -0700 (PDT), > Randal Whittle writes: > > >>> about a 9600 level. Of course, I have one of those antique TP700's >>> with a 16550AFN serial port :) ^^^^^ >>> > > >> Does anybody have a clue why IBM would put 16550 UARTs in their >> early 700 series ThinkPads but not in the 750's?!!!! This is >> ANGERING! :( > > The 700 and 720 were MicroChannel Architecture machines. All MCA machines > have 16550 UARTs (as well as other features that make multitasking go more > smoothly). The 750 was in a way a concession to the market's continuing > use of ISA - it is an ISA machine. I guess too many people complained > they couldn't run Linux on the Thinkpad 7xx. :) > > I think the real reason is that the docking station for an MCA machine > could only take MCA cards (unless you plunked down more money for an > adapter). Enough people complained they wanted to use ISA cards so they > got their wish. > > Personally I think they should've stuck with MCA. I doubt they're selling > *that* many docking stations, especially at the price they charge. Actually, machines based on the ISA achitecture are easier, faster and cheaper to design and build, regardless of whether or not a docking station is used. Adam Wilkinson adam@tiamat.umd.umich.edu | "The first time it's research. the second usfmcltc@ibmmail.com | time is just engineering!" - Cliff Stoll Compuserve: 75470,71 | (author of "The Cuckoo's Egg" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 4 10:22:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06421 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 4 Jul 1994 10:22:11 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21871; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 12:43:10 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 12:43:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21864; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 12:43:07 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0qKUXl-0004tgC; Sun, 3 Jul 94 11:37 CDT Received: from atfs0.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qKUJP-0009b6C; Sun, 3 Jul 94 11:22 CDT Received: by atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qKUTV-000BhKC; Sun, 3 Jul 94 11:33 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: Disk Add on To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) Date: Sun, 3 Jul 1994 11:33:00 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199407030442.VAA28217@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Jul 2, 94 09:42:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > The drive installs directly in the container which the 170MB drive comes in. > > That'll work for a person who wants to "sacrifice" the use of his > 170MB drive, but what if one wants to use both? You can't. I would suggest a picture frame for the old drive. Otherwise you can try selling it or use it a desk top (it's a normal IDE drive). I plan to install it in a disk top. > Do you happen to know if > this place or another place sells the container/case also, so thew new > drive can be used in conjunction with the old one? No.... If you can find the part number of the plastic and the connector assembly, you may be able to order them from IBM. IBM has a parts center located near Denver (I think). They have an 800 number. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 4 10:22:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06469 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 4 Jul 1994 10:22:21 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25097; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 13:34:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 13:34:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from biobase.aau.dk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25090; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 13:34:36 -0400 Received: by biobase.aau.dk (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA04847; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 19:33:47 +0200 Message-Id: <9407031733.AA04847@biobase.aau.dk> Subject: Introduction To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Sun, 3 Jul 94 19:33:47 MET DST From: Paulo Magalhaes X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR Hello all! I have just joined this list, and I was informed that a short introduction is due. Here goes. I have a ThinkPad 750Cs (first big surprise: I had had the opportunity of working for a brief period with an IBM TFT screen and was expecting to feel a big difference when I couldn't afford one myself; it *is* different, and the extra inch is often missed, but the overall quality is surprisingly good - no regrets for "choosing" the DualScan alternative); my machine has 8Mb RAM and a 340Mb disk; I'm running OS/2 2.1 and it has given me very little trouble (most of it, I guess, because I'm new to OS/2 - I'll read this list's FAQ first, and then I'll ask a few questions, if necessary); nothing else, in terms of accessories - yet! :-) I joined this list because my machine came with a Danish set of manuals and "additional software" (the three disks that come with it). Although I am in Denmark, my knowledge of this language is rather rudimentary, so I would love to get my hands on the English versions (the company that sold me the machine wants extra cash for this, and IBM here in Denmark hasn't been much help). Question 1, then: is there an electronic version of the manuals? I haven't - for example - tried to connect an external monitor to my TP because I'm not sure how to go about it... Question 2: can I download an English version of the three disks I mentioned? (Do similar machines sold in other countries come with different software?) And now that I'm here... I would like to buy a PCMCIA fax/modem (14.4 or higher) in the nearby future - are there alternatives to the IBM one? Thank you. Regards from Copenhagen, Paulo -- Paulo Magalhaes -- Clinical Genetics, Rigshospitalet, Copenhagen, Denmark \\ voice: +45/35454592 \\ fax: +45/35454072 // pamaga@biobase.aau.dk // From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 4 10:22:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06501 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 4 Jul 1994 10:22:27 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22593; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 00:42:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 00:42:12 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA22586; Sun, 3 Jul 1994 00:42:09 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA19818; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 21:42:06 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id VAA28217; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 21:42:02 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407030442.VAA28217@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Disk Add on To: strat@atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 21:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Scott Stratmoen" at Jul 2, 94 07:02:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > If there is any interest in disk upgrades from the IBM 170MB to a 340MB > drive, I have some information.... > Their flyer states that the cost for the drive was $399 in March of this > year. I was quoted $499 two weeks ago. I can't find out where they are > getting the drives from. > > The drive installs directly in the container which the 170MB drive comes in. That'll work for a person who wants to "sacrifice" the use of his 170MB drive, but what if one wants to use both? Do you happen to know if this place or another place sells the container/case also, so thew new drive can be used in conjunction with the old one? ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 4 10:22:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06553 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 4 Jul 1994 10:22:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01011; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 20:01:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 20:01:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA01002; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 20:01:22 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0qKF5X-0004tgC; Sat, 2 Jul 94 19:07 CDT Received: from atfs0.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qKErD-0009b6C; Sat, 2 Jul 94 18:52 CDT Received: by atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qKF1G-000BhKC; Sat, 2 Jul 94 19:02 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Disk Add on To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 19:02:50 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR If there is any interest in disk upgrades from the IBM 170MB to a 340MB drive, I have some information.... The thinkpad uses a 17mm high IDE 2 1/2" drive. I am only aware of two sources of drives which meet the 17mm high constraint IBM and Maxtor. Others from Japan are rumored. Toshiba's high density drives are 19mm high, thus Toshiba is not an alternative. Maxtor's largest 2 1/2" drive is only about 270MB and hard to find. That leaves us with IBM's own drives (also guaranteed to work too). One source for the IBM H2344-A4 340MB IDE drive is, Micro Machines 2120 Howell Ave. Suite 404-405 Anaheim, CA 92806 USA 714-978-2220 Their flyer states that the cost for the drive was $399 in March of this year. I was quoted $499 two weeks ago. I can't find out where they are getting the drives from. The drive installs directly in the container which the 170MB drive comes in. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 4 10:22:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06635 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 4 Jul 1994 10:22:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00959; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 12:23:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 12:23:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from u.cc.utah.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00952; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 12:23:01 -0400 Received: (from pawcamp@localhost) by u.cc.utah.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA14096; Sat, 2 Jul 1994 10:22:15 -0600 Date: Sat, 2 Jul 1994 10:21:01 -0600 (MDT) From: "Paul W. Campbell" Subject: Re: Serial port & Modems (External) To: Randal Whittle Cc: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu, TP In-Reply-To: <199407012150.OAA06022@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Fri, 1 Jul 1994, Randal Whittle wrote: > Speaking of which--anyone want to hazard a guess as to when a V.34 > PCMCIA modem will be out and what they will cost? With V.34 recently ratified > (with only the formality of a final vote remaining--not much to worry about), > most people are saying full V.34 modems will be available for purchase as > early as the next month or two, and no later than this fall. What kind of > a delay can we expect in PCMCIA's? I want an XJack 28.8.... :) For those of you interested in Megahertz products, here is a recent press release they send inter-office mail.....enjoy! -----cut here----- Contact: Andy Capener Press Relations Manager (801) 320-7701 or Kimberly Smith Investor Relations (801) 320-8000 FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE MEGAHERTZ ANNOUNCES PLANS TO BOLSTER HIGH-SPEED COMMUNICATIONS AND MOBILE NETWORKING OFFERINGS PCMCIA* Modem Market Leader Announces PCMCIA ETHERNET MODEM and V.34 Modem SALT LAKE CITY, June 20, 1994 -- Megahertz Corporation (NASDAQ: MEGZ), the worldwide market leader in mobile PCMCIA data/fax modems, today announced plans to strengthen its position in the PCMCIA mobile communications market with two new products: a combination PCMCIA Ethernet Modem card and the company's first modem based on the V.34 standard. With these new products, Megahertz will further expand its line of mobile data communications products which includes data/fax modems, direct connect cellular modems, Ethernet adapters, and combination cards featuring both Ethernet and modem capabilities. "Mobile customers are becoming increasingly dependent on products for data communications, whether they are connecting to the network locally or remotely through phone lines," said Ryan Ashton, Megahertz' senior vice president of sales and marketing. "With these new products, Megahertz is meeting the changing needs of the mobile professional, providing comprehensive, reliable, and easy-to-use mobile networking solutions." Enhanced Mobile Networking Capabilities The new Megahertz Ethernet Modem will offer the same easy installation procedures and broad compatibility that customers expect with Megahertz' market-leading PCMCIA modems. "Our customers are not satisfied with the existing Ethernet Modem combination card on the market and they are looking to Megahertz, as the leader in PCMCIA modems, to add reliable networking technologies to our product line," said Ashton. The card will connect mobile computer users to most popular network operating systems, while offering the dual capability of a data/fax modem, all in the convenient PCMCIA form factor. "This is particularly relevant in that many portable computing devices have only one PCMCIA slot, so customers can now use that slot much more efficiently," said Ashton. The modem provides data communications throughput at a speed of 14.4Kbps, while ethernet capabilities are offered in both 10BaseT and 10Base-2 cable configurations. As with its modems, the Megahertz Ethernet Modem will be compatible with nearly every notebook and palmtop computer with a PCMCIA communications slot. Additionally, Megahertz is conducting extensive compatibility tests with leading Network Operating System (NOS) and modem software providers. This introduction strengthens Megahertz' network connectivity product line. In March, the company introduced its first PCMCIA Ethernet Adapter; now, with the introduction of the Ethernet Modem card, Megahertz is providing a solution for mobile professionals who need both a modem and an Ethernet adapter. The product will ship in early Fall of 1994; pricing will be announced immediately prior to shipment. V.34 Doubles Throughput Megahertz' new V.34 modem is also scheduled to ship in early Fall, 1994, after ratification of the standard by the International Telecommunications Union, Study Group 14. The Megahertz product will provide communications throughput at 28.8Kbps -- twice that of the current V.32bis standard -- and incorporate Megahertz' patented XJACK connector. The increased throughput of V.34 is expected to reduce connection times, and thus telephone charges, when compared to 14.4Kbps modems; additionally, faster and more reliable throughput will make it possible for users to transmit data to and from a greater variety of software applications than in the past. Remote control, Windows, interactive media and other applications become more practical with the higher speed. While some companies have been offering customers proprietary solutions that provide faster speeds than the current V.32bis standard, Ashton is advising customers to wait for Megahertz' fully compatible V.34 modem. "While some users want faster throughput now, they won't be satisfied with non-standard solutions that exacerbate compatibility issues and create additional costs," said Ashton. "They will simply have to pay again to upgrade or buy a new product when the standard is introduced." According to research conducted by International Data Corporation, more than half of modem users said they would not purchase a proprietary solution for fear of compatibility problems. The new Megahertz modem, manufactured with the AT&T chipset, will meet the V.34 standard as it stands today. Additionally, the AT&T chipset has a flash upgrade capability, allowing customers to upgrade their modems remotely, rather than having to send the product back to the vendor for revisions. In addition to the increased data communications speed, V.34 is the first protocol that allows the modem to identify itself to the telephone network equipment. It will then adapt to the characteristics of the connection by probing the channel, setting critical parameters such as carrier frequency, equalization, symbol rate and transmitted power in order to maximize the data throughput. Current offerings have set parameters that do not adapt to individual lines, which makes them more susceptible than V.34 to noise and other interference. Customer Support Megahertz' new PCMCIA Ethernet Modem and PCMCIA V.34 cards come with a five-year warranty. For sales information or technical support, customers can contact Megahertz at 1-800-LAPTOPS. Megahertz is a leading provider of communications solutions for mobile computers. Megahertz manufactures PCMCIA Ethernet adapters, PCMCIA data/fax modems, PCMCIA cellular data/fax modems for selected cellular phones, internal data/fax modems for the proprietary slots of Compaq notebook computers, and external 'pocket' modems. * PCMCIA - Personal Computer Memory Card International Association From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 4 13:44:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09210 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 4 Jul 1994 13:44:43 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19185; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:22:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:22:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19178; Mon, 4 Jul 1994 14:22:42 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0qKsl1-0004tgC; Mon, 4 Jul 94 13:28 CDT Received: from atfs0.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qKsWc-0009b7C; Mon, 4 Jul 94 13:13 CDT Received: by atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qKsgl-000BhKC; Mon, 4 Jul 94 13:24 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: Disk Add on To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) Date: Mon, 4 Jul 1994 13:24:19 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <83643.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Jul 3, 94 11:14:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Boulder National Parts Center, Boulder, Colorado. 800-388-7080 > > I've already called them. They don't have a part number for the case, just > the hard drive + case. > What you need is someone with the Bill Of Material (BOM) who is willing to leak the part numbers.... -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 5 01:31:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18264 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 5 Jul 1994 01:31:52 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09861; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 02:05:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 02:05:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09852; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 02:05:54 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA16684 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 5 Jul 1994 01:05:36 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199407050605.AA16684@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: BACKUP by Tape/Central Point To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 01:05:35 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <42157.soatj@alf.uib.no> from "Thor Oivind Jensen" at Jul 4, 94 11:42:19 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > After reading the manuals and looking at all the help files I find that this > program can be used with a lot of internal units and via network, but there > is no mentioning of the only practical solution for backing up a laptop and > transporting files to stationary system: a external unit that works with the > paralell port. There is no way I know of to get an external tape non-SCSI tape (or maybe any external tape) to work with the Backup program that came with PC-DOS 6.1. You should contact the manufacturer of the external tape drive to see if they have a program available for it. What type of tape drive is it? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 5 06:30:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12615 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 5 Jul 1994 06:30:39 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05656; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 06:52:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 06:52:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ion.apana.org.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05640; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 06:51:26 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Jul 94 20:57 EST From: timn@ion.apana.org.au (Tim Noonan) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Summary of changes in BIOS 1.7 Status: OR The following is an abbridged set of notes extracted from the file rss750a.txt Essentially this is what things are fixed/changed in the 1.7 flashrom BIOS upgrade disk. IBM ThinkPad System Program Service Diskette Ver 1.07 Jun. 3, 1994 What This Diskette Does This System Program Service diskette updates the system program stored in ROM of the following ThinkPad models. - ThinkPad 750, 750C, 750P, 750Cs and 750Ce - ThinkPad 755C and 755Cs - ThinkPad 360, 360C, 360P and 360Cs. If you are experiencing one of the problems listed in the following Summary of Problem Fixes section, please follow the instructions given in the Updating System Programs section below to update the system program of your ThinkPad 750/755/360 family computer. [Note these instructions have been deleted] Summary of Problem Fixes ThinkPad 750, 750C, 750P and 750Cs - Intermittent OS/2 hang at the first FDD access following wake-up from hibernation. - Intermittent 199FE error upon wake-up from hibernation. - Suspend mode entered sooner than the specified System Off Timer value. - Intermittent 19929 error upon resume. - Excessive screen flicker after resume (750Cs only). - Video problems on externally attached ISO monitor (750Cs only). - Diagnostic long run erroneously reports a 5016 error (750Cs only). - The external CRT attached to the Dock I goes blank after the Operating System is boot-up or resume when the 750's lid is closed. - System hang by using ROM free Area E000-E6FF described in ROM. Correct range (E000-E5FF in this version) is indicated in the area. - Unable to suspend after removing AC adapter. - Some of the 16MB memory cards can not be used. - The Screen Off Timer becomes inactive if any key other than "Fn" is depressed to restore the screen. - System can't enter the suspend mode again if the AC adapter is disconnected or connected during the suspend mode. - Some video adapters installed in the Dock-I fail with an 103 error. - System with some PCMCIA modem card installed may malfunction when suspending. - Entering the suspend mode may be rejected for around 30 seconds with beeps. (This is normal if the CDPD Mobile Communications Module is installed.) ThinkPad 750Ce - The CPU information is wrong in the EasySetup. - An 118 error occurs. - Some video adapters installed in the Dock-I fail with 103 error. - The external mouse hangs intermittently after Suspend/Resume under the DOSSHELL. - 195 error occurs after hibernation with ATA PCMCIA card in the Port Replicator with PCMCIA. - Audio stops after Standby. ThinkPad 755C and 755Cs - Some video adapters installed in the Dock-I fail with 103 error. - RPL from PCMCIA Ethernet card does not work. - System hangs when hibernating under the following conditions. - One of the primary partitions is HPFS, and - The hibernation file is in an extended partition. - Remote IPL from new IBM Token Ring PCMCIA Card doesn't work. ThinkPad 360, 360C, 360P and 360Cs - In block transfer of Video, some dots are missed. - Remote IPL from new IBM Token Ring PCMCIA Card doesn't work. Service information The System Program Service diskette installs System Program as follows. ThinkPad model BIOS part number Date --------------------------------------------------------- 750, 750C, 750P and 750Cs 59G3987 05/25/94 750Ce 40G3482 04/27/94 755C and 755Cs 89G5118 06/03/94 360, 360C, 360P and 360Cs 89G5119 06/03/94 The BIOS P/N and the date can be viewed by invoking Easy-Setup and selecting Config followed by SystemBoard. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 5 06:34:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12697 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 5 Jul 1994 06:34:42 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05677; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 06:53:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 06:53:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ion.apana.org.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA05658; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 06:52:39 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 5 Jul 94 20:58 EST From: timn@ion.apana.org.au (Tim Noonan) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Summary of changes/fixes to util, audio and video disks v1.31 Status: OR This is an abridged set of notes from the IBM file rut750b.txt relating to the tp75x and 360 utilities, video and audio disks. IBM ThinkPad 750/755/360 Families Diskette Package V1.31 Jun. 24 1994 This package contains the following diskettes for ThinkPad 750/755/360 families of computer. IBM ThinkPad Utility Diskette V1.31 IBM ThinkPad Video Features Diskette V1.32 IBM ThinkPad Audio Features Diskette V1.31 If you are experiencing one of the problems listed in the following Summary of Problem Fixes section, please follow your computer manual to update programs or utilities of your ThinkPad 750/755/360 family computers. Summary of Problem Fixes << Utility Diskette >>---------------------------------------------------------- Released Version ---------------- Version 1.00 Jul. 8 1993 Initial Release for ThinkPad 750/750C/750P Version 1.20 Dec. 3 1993 2nd Release for ThinkPad 750/750C/750P/750Cs/750Ce Version 1.21 Feb. 15 1994 3rd Release for ThinkPad 750 families Version 1.30 Feb. 22 1994 4th Release for ThinkPad 750/755/360 families Version 1.31 Apr. 18 1994 5th Release for ThinkPad 750/755/360 families Changed/Fixed Item ------------------ Note: n.nn Diskette Version (e.g. 1.20 Version 1.20) (New) New function or enhancement Installation Program 1.20 (New) ThinkPad 750Cs and 750Ce are supported. 1.20 The installation program for Windows doesn't work in Win-OS/2 session. 1.20 The Fuel-Gauge program for DOS can't be installed at the DOSSHELL. 1.30 (New) ThinkPad 755/360 families are supported. 1.30 The installation program for Windows doesn't allow long/deep path names. DOS Utility - DOS ThinkPad Feature Program - 1.20 (New) ThinkPad 750Cs and 750Ce are supported. 1.20 (New) A warning is displayed when IRQ15 is selected. 1.20 (New) A warning is displayed when IRQ11 is selected with the Port Replicator with PCMCIA. 1.20 (New) An option "Enable/Disable the speaker indicator" is added. 1.20 Resume timer can be selected even if Hibernation Timer is On. 1.20 Set Display Feature Menu selection isn't saved correctly. 1.20 Display High Performance Mode should be always On (750C). 1.20 Items in Suspend and Resume Menu can't be selected by the space bar when the Dock-1 is attached. 1.30 (New) ThinkPad 755/360 families are supported. 1.30 (New) Three 'Incoming call' items in the Resume options are integrated into one item. 1.31 The Help menu indicates invalid items. - DOS Fuel-Gauge Program - 1.20 Incorrect Japanese characters are displayed with 8MB IC DRAM Card. 1.21 Frequent system hang-up at idle time or screen saver. 1.30 (New) ThinkPad 755/360 families are supported. 1.30 Fuel-gauge program doesn't work correctly. 1.30 Duration of Remaining Power is not correct when the processor speed is changed. - DOS PCMCIA Utility - 1.20 (New) EasyPlaying is supported. Windows Utility - Windows ThinkPad Feature Program - 1.20 (New) ThinkPad 750Cs and 750Ce are supported. 1.20 (New) A warning is displayed when IRQ15 is selected. 1.20 (New) A warning is displayed when IRQ11 is selected with the Port Replicator with PCMCIA. 1.20 The LCD is still active when Display High Performance Mode is On. 1.21 The way to open the 'More' Window is changed. 1.30 (New) ThinkPad 755/360 families are supported. 1.30 (New) Three 'Incoming call' items in Resume options are integrated into one item. 1.30 It is slow to open the 'More' panel from the 'Power' menu. 1.31 (New) Processor Upgrade Kit for 750Ce is supported. - Windows Fuel-Gauge Program - 1.20 (New) ThinkPad 750Cs and 750Ce are supported. 1.21 Character lost under the high speed communication. 1.30 (New) ThinkPad 755/360 families are supported. 1.30 (New) Check if 'MS-DOS with APM' was chosen on Windows setup. 1.30 The screen position is not saved on exit. 1.30 Duration of Remaining Power is not correct when the processor speed is changed. - Windows PCMCIA Utility Program - 1.20 (New) EasyPlaying is supported. OS/2 Utility - OS/2 ThinkPad Feature Program - 1.20 (New) ThinkPad 750Cs and 750Ce are supported. 1.20 (New) A warning is displayed when IRQ15 is selected. 1.20 (New) A warning is displayed when IRQ11 is selected with the Port Replicator with PCMCIA. 1.20 (New) An option "Enable/Disable the speaker indicator" is added. 1.20 The LCD is still active when Display High Performance Mode is on. 1.21 Character lost under the high speed communication. 1.30 (New) ThinkPad 755/360 families are supported. 1.30 (New) Three 'Incoming call' items in Resume options are integrated into one item. 1.30 It is slow to open the 'More' panel from the 'Power' menu. 1.30 The description about the Fuel-Gauge program in the Help is incorrect. 1.31 (New) Processor Upgrade Kit for 750Ce is supported. 1.31 163/173 errors occur when the Speaker Indicator is enabled (the 755/360). - OS/2 Fuel-Gauge Program - 1.21 Character lost under the high speed communication. 1.30 (New) ThinkPad 755/360 families are supported. 1.30 The screen position is not saved on exit. 1.30 Duration of Remaining Power is not correct when the processor speed is changed. - OS/2 PCMCIA Utility Program - 1.20 (New) EasyPlaying is supported. Others 1.20 A bitmap data is added for the wallpaper. 1.30 (New) Windows Large Pointer Program is added. 1.30 (New) IBM ThinkPad Space Saver Keyboard for DOS is supported. 1.30 (New) IBM ThinkPad Space Saver Keyboard for OS/2 is supported. 1.30 A special patch program for MOUSE.COM 9.01 is added to fix that the system may hang after spend/resume operation. 1.30 A special patch program for MOUSE.COM 8.20 or later to fix that the keyboard/mouse may hang if the Power on Password is installed. 1.31 Serial mouse doesn't work with the IBM ThinkPad Space Saver Keyboard. 1.31 QEXPUNIT.EXE returns an incorrect return code (the 755/360 families). << Video Feature Diskette >>---------------------------------------------------- The following is a list of problems fixed by the IBM ThinkPad Video Feature Diskette. Released Version ---------------- Version 1.00 Jul. 12 1993 Initial Release for ThinkPad 750/750C/750P Version 1.12 Nov. 29 1993 2nd Release for ThinkPad 750/750C/750P/750Cs/750Ce Version 1.30 Feb. 23 1994 3rd Release for ThinkPad 750/755/360 families Version 1.31 Apr. 28 1994 4th Release for ThinkPad 750/755/360 families Version 1.32 Jun. 23 1994 5th Release for ThinkPad 750/755/360 families Changed/Fixed Item ------------------ Note: n.nn Diskette Version (e.g. 1.20 Version 1.20) (Enh) Enhancement VESA 1.10 System hangs in INT 10h handling. 1.10 Characters does not display in OS/2 DOS session. 1.10 (Enh) STN-C panel support. 1.11 Black screen appears with 1-2-3(J) in OS/2(J) DOS box. 1.12 (Enh) ThinkPad 750Cs and 750Ce are supported. 1.30 (Enh) ThinkPad 755/360 families are supported. Windows Display Driver 1.10 (Enh) Pen Windows (inking function) support. 1.10 Garbage screen appears in 'file open' with PowerPoint 3.0. 1.10 GP fault occurs in printing with 5587 printer(Japan). 1.10 Garbage screen appears after WIN-OS/2 Startup failure. 1.11 (Enh) H/W line drawing support. 1.12 (Enh) ThinkPad 750Cs and 750Ce are supported. 1.30 (Enh) ThinkPad 755/360 families are supported. 1.30 (Enh) Large cursor/cursor color function support. 1.30 Garbage screen appears with CINEMANIA'92 with STN-C. 1.30 Ink becomes faded with NoteTaker (pen application). 1.30 Clock hands remains with CLOCK.EXE. 1.30 (Enh) Mouse trail support. 1.31 (Enh) Mouse trail performance up. 1.31 Clip board colors become black in capturing Paintbrush window. 1.31 Video mode set fails with STN panel. 1.32 System hangs up with ThinkPad 755C 1024x768 60Hz. 1.32 GP fault occurs in opening/closing huge bitmap. OS/2 Display Driver 1.10 Garbage screen appears after WIN-OS/2 Startup failure. 1.10 Installation does not complete with READ ONLY files. 1.12 (Enh) ThinkPad 750Cs and 750Ce are supported. 1.12 Garbage screen appears with SETCRT in LCD(STN-C) only. 1.30 (Enh) ThinkPad 755/360 families are supported. 1.30 (Enh) Installation support for 'OS/2 for Windows' 1.30 Garbage screen appears with FILEMAN etc. in DOS window session. 1.30 Installation into OS/2 pre-load does not complete. 1.31 Installation into OS/2 pre-load does not complete at second time. 1.31 Installation into OS/2 2.11 does not complete. 1.31 Black screen appears in starting some icons at the same time. 1.32 Transparent bitmap is displayed abnormally. 1.32 Monochrome bitmap conversion table has problem. 1.32 (Enh) README file is changed for OS/2 CSD installation. 1.32 LCD and CRT screen may have flickers (the 755/360 families with the WD90C24A2 video chip). << Audio Feature Diskette >>---------------------------------------------------- The following is a list of problems fixed by the IBM ThinkPad Audio Feature Diskette. Released Version ---------------- Version 1.00 Jul. 7 1993 Initial Release for ThinkPad 750/750C/750P Version 1.10 Dec. 1 1993 2nd Release for ThinkPad 750/750C/750P Version 1.30 Feb. 18 1994 3rd Release for ThinkPad 750/755/360 families Version 1.31 Jun. 24 1994 4th Release for ThinkPad 750/755/360 families Changed/Fixed Item ------------------ Note: n.nn Diskette Version (e.g. 1.20 Version 1.20) (New) New function or enhancement 1.10 (New) MIDI function is supported. 1.10 (New) OS/2 2.1 is supported. 1.30 (New) ThinkPad 750Cs, 750Ce, 755 family and 360 family are supported. 1.30 The system hangs on exiting Windows. 1.31 MIDI hangs under OS/2 2.11. 1.31 DOS audio driver can't be loaded in the system with 36MB memory installed. [Easyplay stuff deleted] From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 5 10:35:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16725 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 5 Jul 1994 10:35:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26436; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 11:01:48 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 11:01:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26429; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 11:01:45 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA21424; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 08:01:39 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id IAA24242; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 08:01:39 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407051501.IAA24242@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Summary of changes in BIOS 1.7 To: timn@ion.apana.org.au (Tim Noonan) Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 08:01:38 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Tim Noonan" at Jul 5, 94 08:57:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Three cheers for Tim Noonan who took the trouble post all the current BIOS and ThinkPad features/video/audio stuff! I didn't realize I was so far behind! :) ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 6 00:52:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02849 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 6 Jul 1994 00:52:17 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11253; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 01:25:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 01:25:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA11228; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 01:25:22 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA14376; Tue, 5 Jul 1994 22:22:43 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 5 Jul 1994 22:25:46 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <80747.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: strat@atfs0.dsd.northrop.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Disk Add on Status: OR In message Sat, 2 Jul 1994 19:02:50 -0500 (CDT), strat@atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) writes: > One source for the IBM H2344-A4 340MB IDE drive is, > > Micro Machines > 2120 Howell Ave. Suite 404-405 > Anaheim, CA 92806 USA > 714-978-2220 This place is 15 minutes from where I live so I called them. > Their flyer states that the cost for the drive was $399 in March of this > year. I was quoted $499 two weeks ago. I can't find out where they are > getting the drives from. I was quoted $420. I went ahead and bought one (I figured since it was local if anything went wrong I could drive there and complain in person). I also got a price list which I didn't check until I got home. It lists the drive at $399. Oh well. They said the drive is new, not refurbished, and it certainly is an IBM drive that fits in the TP750. I think they had one left - even IBM doesn't have these in stock right now. > The drive installs directly in the container which the 170MB drive comes > in. Not quite. The pins on the drive are offset from the pins on the 170MB drive by one. i.e. the pins are in the same location relative to each other, but the pins on the 340MB drive are shifted about 2mm to the left. I went ahead and forced the cable that goes from the pins to the hard drive socket to fit (a little bit of creative folding, but it's still under some stress) and the drive works fine (I'm typing up on it right now). I'm going to try to find a case though because I'm not comfortable with the way the cable doesn't quite fit. Maybe now that I have a true blue IBM hard drive without a case I'll have a little more clout? As a last resort I suppose I could leave it in and tell IBM to fix it if it breaks. -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 6 04:11:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16575 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 6 Jul 1994 04:11:13 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27598; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 04:47:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 04:47:07 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA27591; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 04:47:06 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407060847.AA04882@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: could someone please email me the disks for the 750c? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 04:47:03 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Please??? My modem keeps losing carrier long dist. to IBM for some weird reason... Thanks.... (the new sys bios, util, video, and audio) thanks... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 6 09:29:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21861 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 6 Jul 1994 09:29:01 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27115; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 09:59:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 09:59:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27107; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 09:59:54 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0qLXbi-0004u0C; Wed, 6 Jul 94 09:05 CDT Received: from atfs0.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qLXNF-0009b5C; Wed, 6 Jul 94 08:50 CDT Received: by atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qLXXT-000BhHC; Wed, 6 Jul 94 09:01 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: Disk Add on To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 09:01:27 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <80747.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Jul 5, 94 10:25:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I was quoted $420. I went ahead and bought one (I figured since it was > local if anything went wrong I could drive there and complain in person). > I also got a price list which I didn't check until I got home. It lists the > drive at $399. Oh well. They said the drive is new, not refurbished, and > it certainly is an IBM drive that fits in the TP750. I think they had one > left - even IBM doesn't have these in stock right now. They can get more. I know that they had to order the drive for me. I assume that they ordered to at that time. Anyone else should ask for the $420 price! (It's going to take a little while for me to get over the $70....) > Not quite. The pins on the drive are offset from the pins on the 170MB > drive by one. i.e. the pins are in the same location relative to each > other, but the pins on the 340MB drive are shifted about 2mm to the left. > I went ahead and forced the cable that goes from the pins to the hard drive > socket to fit (a little bit of creative folding, but it's still under some > stress) and the drive works fine (I'm typing up on it right now). I'm going > to try to find a case though because I'm not comfortable with the way the > cable doesn't quite fit. Maybe now that I have a true blue IBM hard drive > without a case I'll have a little more clout? Very strange. Did you remove the jumper on one end of the connector? You don't need it. The 340MB is exactly the same form, fit and function as the 170MB drive. The cable plugs on without any folding, bending, etc. Are you sure that you have the exact drive I purchased? I would like another case and cable assembly, to put the 170MB drive in. I don't know how practical it is to swap the drives though. The life of the connectors are limited. I assume that you didn't mess up the label over the screws. A floppy label's backing makes a great way to preserve the glue surface! > As a last resort I suppose I could leave it in and tell IBM to fix it if it > breaks. The only difference is that these drives have "IBM OEM" on the lable. The ThinkPad drive is labeled for internal consumption only. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 6 11:05:14 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17332 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 6 Jul 1994 11:05:12 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06771; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 11:33:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 11:33:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA06764; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 11:33:46 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA26307; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 08:33:38 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id IAA11526; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 08:33:37 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407061533.IAA11526@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: could someone please email me the disks for the 750c? To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 08:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9407060847.AA04882@husc7.harvard.edu> from "chan4@husc.harvard.edu" at Jul 6, 94 04:47:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > Please??? My modem keeps losing carrier long dist. to IBM for some weird > reason... Thanks.... > > > (the new sys bios, util, video, and audio) thanks... If that's going to be done, would anyone object to simply posting the encoded files on the list? That might make a *lot* people besides our friend at Harvard happy, and save them the trouble & expense... ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 6 16:56:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05848 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 6 Jul 1994 16:56:10 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12316; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 17:21:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 17:21:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from epas.utoronto.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12309; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 17:21:00 -0400 Received: by epas.utoronto.ca (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA09919; Wed, 6 Jul 94 17:21:48 -0400 From: jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca (James Cummings) Message-Id: <9407062121.AA09919@epas.utoronto.ca> Subject: Re: could someone please email me the disks for the 750c? To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 17:21:47 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Think-Pad 750 Mailing list) In-Reply-To: <9407062021.AA08382@husc7.harvard.edu> from "chan4@husc.harvard.edu" at Jul 6, 94 04:21:50 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR It has been written by the hand of chan4@husc.harvard.edu that: > >Hmmmm...it seems A LOT of people want these files.... > >I wouldn't object to having the files posted ;-)... > >Yeah, IBM says no "electronic dist." But, isn't that meant for people >who don't have the Thinkpad 75x? I mean...what are we going to use these >disks for anyways, even if we don't have a thinkpad? > >Cheers, > >Derek > If I had a copy of the disks, since I don't view it as morally wrong, I happen to know a way which they could be posted to the mailing list anonymously. Or on an FTP site very temporarily. But unfortunately I don't have them IBM tells me to phone the IBM BBS. Oh great. Well unfortunately what if I don't have a modem and all my elextronic communication is done through a terminal... does that mean I have to spend a couple hundred bucks to get a modem!?! (Ok .. I do *happen* to have a modem... but I'm wondering if I lie to IBM whether they would send them to me on disk?) The Toronto IBM BBS always seems to be a fair bit behind. -James jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca | 1994: Official Year of The Toronto Free-Net. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 6 18:02:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20808 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 6 Jul 1994 18:02:29 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06616; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 16:22:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 16:22:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06609; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 16:22:01 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407062021.AA08382@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: could someone please email me the disks for the 750c? To: jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca (James Cummings) Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 16:21:50 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: <9407061701.AA09907@epas.utoronto.ca> from "James Cummings" at Jul 6, 94 01:01:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Hmmmm...it seems A LOT of people want these files.... I wouldn't object to having the files posted ;-)... Yeah, IBM says no "electronic dist." But, isn't that meant for people who don't have the Thinkpad 75x? I mean...what are we going to use these disks for anyways, even if we don't have a thinkpad? Cheers, Derek From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 6 20:41:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17310 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 6 Jul 1994 20:41:29 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28519; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 21:14:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 21:13:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28512; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 21:13:55 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA15828; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 18:11:31 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 18:14:34 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@CHS.CUSD.Claremont.Edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <65674.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: strat@atfs0.dsd.northrop.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Disk Add on Status: OR In message Wed, 6 Jul 1994 09:01:27 -0500 (CDT), strat@atfs0.dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) writes: >> Not quite. The pins on the drive are offset from the pins on the 170MB >> drive by one. i.e. the pins are in the same location relative to each >> other, but the pins on the 340MB drive are shifted about 2mm to the >> left. I went ahead and forced the cable that goes from the pins to the >> hard drive socket to fit (a little bit of creative folding, but it's >> still under some stress) and the drive works fine > Very strange. Did you remove the jumper on one end of the connector? You > don't need it. The 340MB is exactly the same form, fit and function as > the 170MB drive. The cable plugs on without any folding, bending, etc. > Are you sure that you have the exact drive I purchased? This *is* strange. I assume you still have the 170 MB drive lying around. Could you measure it and compare to mine? I placed the drive as it sits in the ThinkPad. From the center of the screw on the left side to the leftmost pin it's 8 mm. From the center of the screw on the right side to the rightmost pin it's 7.5mm. As I said, the 340 MB drive had pins shifted about 2 mm (one pin) to the left. Yes, I removed the jumped at the right end. The model number matched up with the one you gave me. Maybe it's our 170MB drives that are different. When did you buy your TP? > I would like another case and cable assembly, to put the 170MB drive in. > I don't know how practical it is to swap the drives though. The life of > the connectors are limited. Since one of IBM's selling points is that you can use one computer with multiple drives for several people, I assume this sort of wear and tear is covered under warranty. > I assume that you didn't mess up the label over the screws. A floppy > label's backing makes a great way to preserve the glue surface! The label is a great way to hold the screws in place. :) -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 6 20:41:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17382 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 6 Jul 1994 20:41:46 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28538; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 21:14:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 21:14:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28525; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 21:14:04 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA15831; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 18:11:39 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 18:14:43 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <65684.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: could someone please email me the disks for the 750c? Status: OR In message Wed, 6 Jul 1994 17:21:47 -0400 (EDT), jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca (James Cummings) writes: >> It has been written by the hand of chan4@husc.harvard.edu that: >> Yeah, IBM says no "electronic dist." But, isn't that meant for people >> who don't have the Thinkpad 75x? I mean...what are we going to use >> these disks for anyways, even if we don't have a thinkpad? > If I had a copy of the disks, since I don't view it as morally wrong, I > happen to know a way which they could be posted to the mailing list > anonymously. Or on an FTP site very temporarily. But unfortunately I > don't have them This is really getting ridiculous. As many of you know, I've been dealing with TP7xx development in Japan and the adminstrator of IBM's ftp site at software.watson.ibm.com. The disks were supposedly mailed from Japan to the U.S. several months ago (this is the only way software for the ftp site is accepted for some reason). They're probably out of date now. Does anyone have any contacts further up at IBM so we can get some action? Perhaps if someone can get some postal addresses, we can start a letter writing campaign? Or maybe we can set up an unauthorized ftp site and when someone at IBM complains we can route our protests through him? -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 6 21:26:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26344 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 6 Jul 1994 21:26:23 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01921; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 21:55:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 21:55:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA01904; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 21:55:21 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA28092; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 18:55:17 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id SAA12513; Wed, 6 Jul 1994 18:55:15 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407070155.SAA12513@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: could someone please email me the disks for the 750c? To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Date: Wed, 6 Jul 1994 18:55:13 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <65684.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Jul 6, 94 06:14:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > writing campaign? Or maybe we can set up an unauthorized ftp site and when > someone at IBM complains we can route our protests through him? Bingo. Just do it--screw IBM. If they complain, then at least you know who to talk to in order to get it done right. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 00:03:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21385 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 00:03:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14346; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 00:25:52 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 00:25:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from epas.utoronto.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14329; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 00:25:49 -0400 Received: by epas.utoronto.ca (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA14737; Thu, 7 Jul 94 00:26:39 -0400 From: jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca (James Cummings) Message-Id: <9407070426.AA14737@epas.utoronto.ca> Subject: Re: could someone please email me the disks for the 750c? To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 00:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Think-Pad 750 Mailing list) In-Reply-To: <65684.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Jul 6, 94 06:14:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR It has been written by the hand of John Kim that: > > >> If I had a copy of the disks, since I don't view it as morally wrong, I >> happen to know a way which they could be posted to the mailing list >> anonymously. Or on an FTP site very temporarily. But unfortunately I >> don't have them > >This is really getting ridiculous. As many of you know, I've been dealing >with TP7xx development in Japan and the adminstrator of IBM's ftp site at >software.watson.ibm.com. The disks were supposedly mailed from Japan to the >U.S. several months ago (this is the only way software for the ftp site is >accepted for some reason). They're probably out of date now. Does anyone >have any contacts further up at IBM so we can get some action? I was hoping that my post might spark some militant rebellion. > >Perhaps if someone can get some postal addresses, we can start a letter >writing campaign? Or maybe we can set up an unauthorized ftp site and when >someone at IBM complains we can route our protests through him? >-- I say we set up, anonymously, and FTP site somewhere. (where the sysadmin can disavow any knowledge of it officially.) ... And THEN when they complain... IF they complain. We can then get rid of it. Otherwise.. I'd really like the disks myself.... *grumble* -James jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca | 1994: Official Year of The Toronto Free-Net. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 01:17:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28999 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 01:17:11 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19725; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 01:43:52 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 01:43:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA19718; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 01:43:49 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA26006 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 00:43:36 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199407070543.AA26006@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: TP Disks To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 00:43:35 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199407061533.IAA11526@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Jul 6, 94 08:33:23 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > If that's going to be done, would anyone object to simply posting > the encoded files on the list? That might make a *lot* people besides our > friend at Harvard happy, and save them the trouble & expense... I, for one, don't actually care much about the no electronic distribution (remember, John Kim and I both uploaded the initial disk to ftp-os2.cdrom.com but they kept wiping them out), but before anyone does uuencode it and send it up, please remember that this list is maintained by Keith Moore's site and that he should be the ultimate judge on whether or not it is okay to distribute them. Also, it would be easier to just have a temporary FTP site... From moore@cs.utk.edu Thu Jul 7 01:48:18 1994 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01678 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 01:48:16 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id CAA23712; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 02:35:25 -0400 Message-Id: <199407070635.CAA23712@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Sean Chou Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu (tp), moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Disks In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 07 Jul 1994 01:19:49 CDT." <199407070619.AA29177@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 1994 02:35:18 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Status: OR > In the meantime though, we can get a letter-writing campaign. > Who wants to collect the letters? Or signatures? I guess someone > could collect email, print it out, and send it in. Why not just post the address of the person to bother, and let people mail their own letters? Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 01:48:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01706 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 01:48:38 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23025; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 02:20:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 02:20:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23017; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 02:20:09 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA29177 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 01:19:50 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199407070619.AA29177@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: TP Disks To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 01:19:49 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <65684.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Jul 6, 94 06:14:29 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Perhaps if someone can get some postal addresses, we can start a letter > writing campaign? Or maybe we can set up an unauthorized ftp site and when > someone at IBM complains we can route our protests through him? These routes seem to be the best way to go. Since IBM has ignored both your and my requests, I guess we have no choice. It is rather unfair to expect us to call their BBS on a monthly basis so I say an FTP site would be the optimal solution. In the meantime though, we can get a letter-writing campaign. Who wants to collect the letters? Or signatures? I guess someone could collect email, print it out, and send it in. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 08:42:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10850 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 08:42:51 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01348; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 09:10:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 09:10:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from UTKVM1.UTK.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01322; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 09:10:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199407071310.JAA01322@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from UTKVM1.BITNET by UTKVM1.UTK.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1476; Thu, 07 Jul 94 09:09:56 LCL Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU by UTKVM1.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 8378; Thu, 07 Jul 94 09:09:55 LCL Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (NJE origin KRUCK@WVNVM) by WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6561; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 09:07:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 09:07:30 EDT From: "Ruckstuhl, Keith E" To: Subject: Need help on hardware Status: OR I am trying to test a demo model of the scanmark 2000 full page data scanner (the kind that reads bubble sheets for multiple choice test). My final goal is to hook it up to a Macintosh platform (yuck), but I was first trying to format the scanner via IBM, and wasn't able to establish communications. I have a 750 mono, and the scanner was hooked up to the serial port, and I tried setting the program to address com1 and com2- neither seemed to work. Any ideas? Is there anything that is TP-specific that I should be considering? Thanks in advance Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 09:27:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20033 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 09:27:50 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04762; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 09:50:07 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 09:50:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04734; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 09:50:00 -0400 From: Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0qLtvf-0004u3C; Thu, 7 Jul 94 08:55 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0qLth9-0009bJC; Thu, 7 Jul 94 08:40 CDT Received: from bart by bart.dsd.northrop.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0qLtr6-0002wvC; Thu, 7 Jul 94 08:51 CDT Message-Id: Subject: Re: Disk Add on To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 08:50:28 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <65674.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Jul 6, 94 06:14:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: strat@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > This *is* strange. I assume you still have the 170 MB drive lying around. > Could you measure it and compare to mine? I placed the drive as it sits in > the ThinkPad. From the center of the screw on the left side to the leftmost > pin it's 8 mm. From the center of the screw on the right side to the > rightmost pin it's 7.5mm. As I said, the 340 MB drive had pins shifted > about 2 mm (one pin) to the left. Yes, I removed the jumped at the right > end. The model number matched up with the one you gave me. I will look into this tonight. I am SURE that the 170MB and 340MB drives were exact. Except for the label, I couldn't tell them apart. > Maybe it's our 170MB drives that are different. When did you buy your TP? Three months ago. > > I would like another case and cable assembly, to put the 170MB drive in. > > I don't know how practical it is to swap the drives though. The life of > > the connectors are limited. > > Since one of IBM's selling points is that you can use one computer with > multiple drives for several people, I assume this sort of wear and tear is > covered under warranty. Hmmm. I thought their reason for providing the drive was to allow USER upgrades. Forgive me on this. If the connector is rated at 10,000 cycles (very likely), they you don't have anything to worry about. I don't think you will be using that ThinkPad for over five years. > The label is a great way to hold the screws in place. :) Point taken. Well in the end we have two documented cases of upgrading thinkpad drives! (Even if it was with IBM's own drives....) -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 11:02:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16815 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 11:02:24 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13403; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 11:24:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 11:24:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13396; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 11:24:34 -0400 Received: from biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (biophysics.bio.rpi.edu [128.113.8.42]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id LAA23620 for <@rpi.edu:tp750@cs.utk.edu>; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 11:24:23 -0400 Received: by biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (920330.SGI/921111.SGI.AUTO) for @rpi.edu:tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA11645; Thu, 7 Jul 94 11:26:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 94 11:26:12 -0400 From: arturo@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (Arturo J. Morales) Message-Id: <9407071526.AA11645@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Sound Module IRQ setting Status: OR Well, i finally got my tp750 8/170 and i am running OS/2 w/o any major problems, however, i was wondering if there is a way of changing the irq setting in the sound module from irq 10 to anything compatible with most prg's. i would probably preffer soundblaster emulation than adlib... btw, is the overheating in the monitor and battery area normal while chargin thebattery? thanks in advance... --Art ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Arturo J. Morales | arturo@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu Center For Biophysics and Biochemistry | morala2@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | Troy, NY ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Caveman's Motto: He who hesitates, is lunch... .. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 11:58:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04069 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 11:58:24 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19350; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 12:28:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 12:28:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19343; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 12:28:14 -0400 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA27215 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 8 Jul 1994 02:28:11 +1000 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 02:28:04 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson Subject: TP360 battery. To: tp750 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I apologise (again) for asking TP360 related questions on the 750 group. I have decided to buy (largely on the recommendations of this group) a thinkpad 360. I'm placing the order tomorrow and expect to pick it up in a couple of weeks. My question is this: I have got hold of a copy of IBM Australia's Product Announcement (the dealer copy) wherein buried is: "Percentage of remaining power (by hours) appears but duration of remaining power (by hours) does not appear when 360 NiMH battery pack is used. Duration of remaining power (hours) only appears when the ThinkPad 750 NiMH battery pack is used" Previous replies from this group suggest that the 360 does not monitor its battery but instead maintains an estimate of power. With the unit I will be purchasing a spare battery. If I order a tp750 battery: (a) will the software and hardware report accurate power remaining (b) if so, is this reporting in any way different to the tp750 (c) is there any charge difference between the two batteries? (d) is IBM's figure of 7-10hours for a mono unit a little white lie or an enormous white lie? Also, what is the consensus on PCDOS 6.3 and it's stacking program? Would it be safer to install MSDOS 6.2 and Doublespace? Oh, and what's IBM's monochrome screen like? I can't seem to get a demo unit with mono here. IS it comparable to the Toshibas? I'd greatly appreciate anyone's experience or advice. - Rohan Davidson B.Inf.Tech & B.A.Psych undergraduate. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 12:49:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18470 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 12:48:59 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22211; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 13:17:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 13:17:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22200; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 13:17:02 -0400 Received: from FirstPerson.COM (rampart.EBay.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA14208; Thu, 7 Jul 94 10:16:04 PDT Received: from scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM by FirstPerson.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14676; Thu, 7 Jul 94 10:15:11 PDT Received: from pepper.Eng.Sun.COM by scndprsn.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA02771; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:15:16 +0800 Received: by pepper.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA01477; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:17:21 +0800 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:17:21 +0800 From: Chuck.McManis@firstperson.com (Chuck McManis) Message-Id: <9407071717.AA01477@pepper.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, arturo@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu Subject: Re: Sound Module IRQ setting X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: OR >however, i was wondering if there is a way of changing the irq setting in the >sound module from irq 10 to anything compatible with most prg's. i would >probably preffer soundblaster emulation than adlib... In DOS there is a THINKPAD directory with with "PS2" command in it. This command will let you change which IRQ the Audio device is conneected to. I've been sorely disappointed with the SoundBlaster emulation and its completely worthless with many of the newer titles that run in protected mode. (This includes nearly every CD-ROM title out since last Summer) There was a press release from IBM on a new audio chip that did register emulation of the Soundblaster hardware, this was proabably a response to this weakness. Personally this is a sore point since I was told by the IBM folks at the Consumer Electronics Show that the TP750 had "full soundblaster capability" (which it does, it is just incompatible) and this mislead me. >btw, is the overheating in the monitor and battery area normal while > chargin thebattery? Heating, yes, Overheating, No. I find the battery can get nearly too hot to touch when it is ramping up a charge, but the computer continues to work fine. And yes, the screen does get quite warm. --Chuck From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 13:38:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04291 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 13:38:50 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24272; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 13:52:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 13:52:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24262; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 13:52:10 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA03390; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:52:01 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id KAA06301; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:51:57 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407071751.KAA06301@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: TP360 battery. To: cs322612@mailbox.uq.oz.au (Rohan Davidson) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:51:55 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Rohan Davidson" at Jul 8, 94 02:28:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Previous replies from this group suggest that the 360 does not monitor > its battery but instead maintains an estimate of power. With the unit I > will be purchasing a spare battery. If I order a tp750 battery: > (a) will the software and hardware report accurate power remaining On my 750, I've come to regard it as a rough, though reasonably close, estimate. Better than I had on my old Sharp notebook of course, but still not perfect. I've gotten down to the "30 minute beep" and then 10 to 15 minutes later had the system shut down on me (I've set it to suspend when battery is critically low). > (b) if so, is this reporting in any way different to the tp750 The 750 shows both a % charge remaining and a time remaining, which goes in increments of 10 minutes. It is somewhat nice, but as described above, not particularly accurate. > (c) is there any charge difference between the two batteries? I don't know. > (d) is IBM's figure of 7-10hours for a mono unit a little white > lie or an enormous white lie? An ENORMOUS lie. The 750Cs (which I had before sending it back for a 750C) was supposed to get 3.5 to 8 hours on a single charge (the 750C was supposed to get 3.4 to 8 hours). To me, that means--at MINIMUM-- you get 3.5 hours out of the battery. I discovered early and to my disappointment, that this is a significant lie. On the high end, I get 2.5 hours on a charge with continuous usage--I once got 3 hours, but that was with unrealistic usage--constant suspending whenever I looked away, etc. I'm unsure, but I think those on the list with Mono models of the 750 have gotten about 4 hours out of theirs. Which is still disappointing, considering the IBM claim for their machine was like yours--7 to 12 hours (might have even been 8 to 12 hours!). To me, this isn't even a stretch of the truth--it is a bald-faced lie and IBM is clearly guilty of it. It gets hard to piss on them about it though, because apparently, everyone else in the industry does it too. I would be lying if I said I was satisfied with the battery time though. I bought the machine expecting 3.5 hours out of the battery and I think I had a right to expect it, given the range of the claim--3.5 to 8 hours. If they had said 2.5 to 8 hours, then I would have only expected 2.5 hours. > Also, what is the consensus on PCDOS 6.3 and it's stacking program? > Would it be safer to install MSDOS 6.2 and Doublespace? Not that it makes much difference--but stick with PC-DOS. It has certain little features that I like better than MS-DOS anyway, and it is certainly no less capable. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 13:47:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06730 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 13:47:12 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24340; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 13:52:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 13:52:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24332; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 13:52:36 -0400 Received: from toddspc.engr.wisc.edu by snapple.engr.wisc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.10G/31) id AA084893547; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 12:52:27 -0500 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 12:52:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199407071752.AA084893547@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu (Todd Tannenbaum) Subject: Re: Sound Module IRQ setting X-Mailer: Status: OR At 10:17 AM 7/7/94 +0800, Chuck McManis wrote: >I've been sorely disappointed with the SoundBlaster emulation and its >completely worthless with many of the newer titles that run in protected >mode. (This includes nearly every CD-ROM title out since last Summer) > >There was a press release from IBM on a new audio chip that did register >emulation of the Soundblaster hardware, this was proabably a response to >this weakness. Personally this is a sore point since I was told by the >IBM folks at the Consumer Electronics Show that the TP750 had "full >soundblaster capability" (which it does, it is just incompatible) and >this mislead me. > I've been disappointed with the SoundBlaster emulation as well. Have hope, however... we may be saved by (gag) Microsoft. As you know, the Thinkpad sound works _great_ in MS Windows. The new release of Windows (chicago, win 4.0, whatever) due out before the end of the year has an API called WinG (G is for games). Basically, Microsoft wants to tap into the more & more seductive PC game market. This year they found that over 75% of PC games were introduced for DOS; only a small number for Windows. If they want Win 4.0 to become the desktop OS for Intel systems, they needed to do something to cater to the growing game/home entertainment market. Thus their solution: WinG. The WinG API provides what developers need to make arcade type games in windows: fast(er) access to the screen, some sprite type crap (i think), wav and MIDI threaded sound control, etc. The attraction for game developers is that by writing to WinG they can have hardware abstraction (just like all windows programs do); the attraction for you & me is that our great Thinkpad audio will actually _work_ with these games. (assuming IBM comes out with Windows 4.0 audio drivers, which _they would not dare not to!!_). Apparently ID already has a port of DOOM running on the Win 4.0 beta using WinG. ID says that DOOM for Win4.0/WinG will be in stores in time for Christmas. I'm personally counting the weeks.... only 5.5 months until I can play DOOM with the sound support on my Thinkpad!!! (hope, hope) -Todd p.s. I learned this info from a newletter sent out to Dr Dobbs Journal subscribers, so I think it is reliable. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 17:30:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25180 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:30:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04857; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 15:36:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 15:36:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04844; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 15:36:25 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407071936.AA17471@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: HHmmm..PCMCIA modems and faxing... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 15:36:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR hi all again... I'm buying a new modem, since my Zoom keeps dropping carrier w/ IBM (:( ). I solicited advice from you earlier, and it seems the Mhz is the way to go. However, is it possible to _manually_ send and receive faxes with the Mhz? I mean...say I'm talking w/ someone else and they want to send a fax. If they hit start, then using WinFax, I can do a manual receive and get the fax via my external modem which then automatically shuts off my phone (plugged into the back of the modem). However, with a PCMCIA modem such as the Mhz, there is not another jack for "phone out" where I can plug the phone in. Comments? Anyone know how to set up your phone so it doesn't interfere with fax transmissions? Thanks... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 18:03:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02800 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:03:47 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26701; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:33:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:33:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA26694; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:33:55 -0400 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 8051; Thu, 07 Jul 94 18:33:57 EDT Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 6945; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:33:57 EDT Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Thu, 07 Jul 94 18:33:56 EDT Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA23459; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:33:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 18:33:52 -0400 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9407072233.AA23459@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: 's message of Thu, 7 Jul 1994 15:36:04 -0400 (EDT) <9407071936.AA17471@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: HHmmm..PCMCIA modems and faxing... Status: OR >I solicited advice from you earlier, and it seems the Mhz is the way to go. >However, is it possible to _manually_ send and receive faxes with the Mhz? >I mean...say I'm talking w/ someone else and they want to send a fax. If >they hit start, then using WinFax, I can do a manual receive and get the >fax via my external modem which then automatically shuts off my phone >(plugged into the back of the modem). However, with a PCMCIA modem such >as the Mhz, there is not another jack for "phone out" where I can plug >the phone in. Comments? Anyone know how to set up your phone so it >doesn't interfere with fax transmissions? You should be able to plug in your phone in parallel with the modem, i.e. buy a splitter for $3 and plug in your phone and modem into the same jack. Then, just hang up during the fax transmission. This assumes that WinFax holds the line before and after transmission, so you don't get disconnected at the end of the fax. I haven't used WinFax enough to know that this is true, though. However, the easiest way to know for sure is to try it out with your existing modem, i.e. get the splitter and plug the phone into the splitter instead of into the modem. Then try out the above procedure. If it works, then it should also work with the PCMCIA modem. --andy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 19:32:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17270 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 19:32:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02277; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:07:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:07:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02262; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:07:13 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19464; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:04:49 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:07:55 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <61676.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP Disks Status: OR In message Thu, 07 Jul 1994 02:35:18 -0400, Keith Moore writes: >> In the meantime though, we can get a letter-writing campaign. >> Who wants to collect the letters? Or signatures? I guess someone >> could collect email, print it out, and send it in. > Why not just post the address of the person to bother, and let > people mail their own letters? It would help if we had an address of someone to bother. :) -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 19:33:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17422 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 19:33:33 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02372; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:07:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:07:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02280; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:07:33 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19473; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:05:08 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:08:14 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <61694.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: cs322612@mailbox.uq.oz.au, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: TP360 battery. Status: OR In message Fri, 8 Jul 1994 02:28:04 +1000 (GMT+1000), Rohan Davidson writes: > Oh, and what's IBM's monochrome screen like? I can't seem to get a demo > unit with mono here. IS it comparable to the Toshibas? The TP750 has a dual-scan mono. It has a fair amount of ghosting, which seems to be normal for all monos - even dual scans, but is decently fast. Which Toshibas are you comparing to? Unless you will never need color or want an extra hour of battery life, I would highly recommend you go with the dual scan color model. Not only is the screen clearer than the mono (in terms of ghosting), but the resale value of your computer a few years down the road will be much higher. -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 19:34:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17579 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 19:34:54 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02276; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:07:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:07:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02263; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:07:13 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19458; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:04:35 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:07:41 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <61661.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: could someone please email me the disks for the 750c? Status: OR In message Wed, 6 Jul 1994 18:55:13 -0700 (PDT), Randal Whittle writes: >> writing campaign? Or maybe we can set up an unauthorized ftp site and >> when someone at IBM complains we can route our protests through him? > > Bingo. Just do it--screw IBM. If they complain, then at least > you know who to talk to in order to get it done right. How about this. Somebody gets the latest diskettes. Announce on this mailing list that they will upload it to some site like ftp-os2.cdrom.com in two days time. That should give everyone time to get ready. Two days later it gets uploaded and everyone ftps it before it can be purged. If we are caught, I will disavow any knowledge of our activities... :) -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 19:35:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17728 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 19:35:48 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02421; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:07:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:07:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02405; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:07:52 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19479; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:05:22 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:08:27 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <61707.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Sound Module IRQ setting Status: OR In message Thu, 7 Jul 1994 12:52:27 -0500, tannenba@engr.wisc.edu (Todd Tannenbaum) writes: >> I've been sorely disappointed with the SoundBlaster emulation and its >> completely worthless with many of the newer titles that run in >> protected mode. (This includes nearly every CD-ROM title out since last >> Summer) I'm just curious. What's the problem in protected mode? > I've been disappointed with the SoundBlaster emulation as well. > > Have hope, however... we may be saved by (gag) Microsoft. > ... > Thus their solution: WinG. The WinG API provides what developers need > to make arcade type games in windows: fast(er) access to the screen, > some sprite type crap (i think), wav and MIDI threaded sound control, > etc. Wow, this thread is popping up *everywhere*. OS/2 already has an equivalent to WinG called DIVE, and has had it for almost a year (it was packaged with OS/2 2.1). Basically what it does is let the software write directly to video memory, instead of having to go through the (slow) PM API calls. > Apparently ID already has a port of DOOM running on the Win 4.0 beta > using WinG. ID says that DOOM for Win4.0/WinG will be in stores > in time for Christmas. IBM is supposed to be working with Id on a DOOM for OS/2 port too. Btw, Chicago/Win4 isn't going to make it out in 1994. A recent interview with a Microsoft official in some magazine (sorry, I don't remember which) said 1Q95 earliest. I am not advocating, I am not advocating, I am not advocating, ... :) Just trying to get some facts out. I find it amazing that Microsoft does a better job marketing something that's more than half a year away from availability than IBM does marketing something that's been available for nearly a year. -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 19:37:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17936 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 19:37:18 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02409; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:07:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:07:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02382; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:07:45 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA19476; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:05:14 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 17:08:21 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <61702.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: TP360 battery. Status: OR In message Thu, 7 Jul 1994 10:51:55 -0700 (PDT), Randal Whittle writes: >> (d) is IBM's figure of 7-10hours for a mono unit a little white >> lie or an enormous white lie? > > An ENORMOUS lie. The 750Cs (which I had before sending it back > for a 750C) was supposed to get 3.5 to 8 hours on a single charge (the > 750C was supposed to get 3.4 to 8 hours). ... > > I'm unsure, but I think those on the list with Mono models of > the 750 have gotten about 4 hours out of theirs. Which is still > disappointing, considering the IBM claim for their machine was like > yours--7 to 12 hours (might have even been 8 to 12 hours!). IBM's claim for the mono 750 was 5.5 - 12 hours. When I first got mine, after I'd used the battery for about a week I was getting about 4 hours and 55 minutes of heavy use out of the computer. If I dropped the processor speed, left it sitting (not suspended) and let the hard drive spin down now and then, etc., I got 6-7 hours easily. After I got a 8MB RAM card (for a total of 12MB) the battery time dropped down to about 3 hours 35 minutes under heavy use. With the 8MB RAM card, CPU speed set to high, and a large ramdisk, I was able to get about 7 hours of game time playing Doom on a full charge. If you account for the RAM card, this works out to over 9 hours doing the same thing with only 4MB. Drop the CPU speed to low and turn the screen off a few times and 12 hours seems like a reasonable upper end. If IBM's times for the 750 mono is any guide, their estimate is a little lie, high by about 10%. I do know *many* people are disappointed with the battery life on the color units. -- John H. Kim | "Just try telling the IRS you don't feel like jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | 'contributing' this year come April" - Bob Dole This mail sent by NUPop | on Bill Clinton's avoidance of the word "taxes" From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Thu Jul 7 20:08:16 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22969 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:08:13 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA05124; Thu, 7 Jul 94 21:08:10 -0400 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 94 21:08:10 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9407080108.AA05124@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: moore@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: TP Disks Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR can we please keep the tp750 mailing lists stricly technical. If I see much more of this complaining stuff, I will want to get off the list, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are others who feel that way. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 22:53:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18750 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 22:53:24 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18537; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 23:20:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 23:20:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from epas.utoronto.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18524; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 23:20:47 -0400 Received: by epas.utoronto.ca (931110.SGI/920502.SGI) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA02045; Thu, 7 Jul 94 23:21:52 -0400 From: jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca (James Cummings) Message-Id: <9407080321.AA02045@epas.utoronto.ca> Subject: battery & charging. To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Think-Pad 750 Mailing list) Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 23:21:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Hi all, I rarely just use the battery, and mostly have the tp750 4/340 I have plugged in as a desktop replacement. I'm curious though, should I remove or turn off the battery during this time? Cause even when its done charging, my battery is *quite* hot. In fact I thought I heard it making funny burping nooises the other night. But I hadn't got much sleep ;-) Just curious as to the battery practices of y'all, James ---- IBM: Get an FTP site for upgrade disks now idiots!! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 23:30:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23201 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 23:30:33 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22241; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 23:57:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 23:57:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA22233; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 23:57:20 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id UAA03941; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:57:17 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id UAA12416; Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:57:17 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407080357.UAA12416@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: HHmmm..PCMCIA modems and faxing... To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 20:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9407071936.AA17471@husc7.harvard.edu> from "chan4@husc.harvard.edu" at Jul 7, 94 03:36:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > However, is it possible to _manually_ send and receive faxes with the Mhz? > I mean...say I'm talking w/ someone else and they want to send a fax. If > they hit start, then using WinFax, I can do a manual receive and get the > fax via my external modem which then automatically shuts off my phone What may be problematic more than anything is Winfax. I use version 3.0 (I don't have 4.0), and I know of no way to receive a fax "on the fly"-- as far as I know, you have to let it pick up a call when it rings. I don't think its a function of the modem in any way, but rather a function of the software. What software will provide for what you want? I don't know-- its not a big deal for me and I like Winfax, so I stick with it. > (plugged into the back of the modem). However, with a PCMCIA modem such > as the Mhz, there is not another jack for "phone out" where I can plug > the phone in. Comments? Anyone know how to set up your phone so it > doesn't interfere with fax transmissions? Buy a phone line "Y" Splitter. You can stick the phone in one, and a cord to the modem on the other. Baby simple. My modem is hooked up like that right now. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 7 23:34:14 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23499 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 7 Jul 1994 23:34:12 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23120; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 00:07:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 00:07:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA23113; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 00:07:14 -0400 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.7/8.6.6) id AAA02117 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 00:07:07 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 00:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix9.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 00:05:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from unix9.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 00:05:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BatMail.robin.v2.14.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.unix9.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.unix9.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 00:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 00:05:01 -0400 (EDT) From: "Andrew A. Houghton" To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: HHmmm..PCMCIA modems and faxing... In-Reply-To: <199407080357.UAA12416@aludra.usc.edu> References: <199407080357.UAA12416@aludra.usc.edu> Status: OR Randal Whittle writes: > What may be problematic more than anything is Winfax. I use version > 3.0 (I don't have 4.0), and I know of no way to receive a fax "on the fly"-- > as far as I know, you have to let it pick up a call when it rings. I don't > think its a function of the modem in any way, but rather a function of the > software. What software will provide for what you want? I don't know-- > its not a big deal for me and I like Winfax, so I stick with it. Quick note: Winfax 3.0 can do what you want. I don't have it installed right now, so I can't give exact instructions, but under the 'Receive' menu (I think) is a 'manual receive' option. This does an 'on-the-fly' fax receive. I'm sending this to the list so 1) anyone else who's interested gets the information 2) people don't get incorrect impressions about winfax. - Andrew From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 8 00:25:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29526 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 8 Jul 1994 00:25:56 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25839; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 00:53:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 00:53:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kitten.mcs.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25832; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 00:53:28 -0400 Received: by kitten.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.7) id ; Thu, 7 Jul 94 23:53 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1) id ; Thu, 7 Jul 94 23:53 CDT Received: by falkor.chi.il.us (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 07 Jul 94 23:50:19 CDT for tp750@cs.utk.edu To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Please DON'T Send Floppies to the List! From: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 07 Jul 94 23:42:23 CST Organization: DML, Inc., Buffalo Grove, IL Status: OR I'm honestly sorry for anyone who doesn't have access to a modem, or one capable of holding up a connection long enough to receive a few megabytes. That said, *please* don't anyone send megabytes worth of ThinkPad floppies to the mailing list. While some of us have problems with not having modems to call CompuServe or the IBM BBS, others have the opposite problem. I, for one, have two perfectly fine modems. I pick up the new versions of the ThinkPad software within about a week (sometimes a day) of its availability. On the other hand, I read this mailing list on my PC at home. Everything that comes to me comes in via my modem and phone line and my nickel. I would not appreciate having my modem and phone line tied up for an extra hunk of time to send stuff that I either already had or didn't need. (An example of the latter is the last couple of BIOSes. The updates were not to the 750 BIOS.) The "readme" style information that comes with each floppy is something else. That's useful information that can tell people that there is something available and whether they should bother trying to find it. Please don't interpret any of this as being opposed to having the stuff on an FTP site. I think that that would be extra swell, and would cut down on my long distance or CompuServe bill. Thanks! Ron. P.S. Decent V.32bis modems really aren't all that expensive any more. Internal modem cards are downright cheap! From moore@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 8 01:26:35 1994 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04600 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 8 Jul 1994 01:26:33 -0500 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id CAA26709; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 02:13:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199407080613.CAA26709@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: dewar@schonberg.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Cc: moore@cs.utk.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Disks In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 07 Jul 1994 21:08:10 EDT." <9407080108.AA05124@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> Date: Fri, 08 Jul 1994 02:13:09 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Status: OR > can we please keep the tp750 mailing lists stricly technical. If I see > much more of this complaining stuff, I will want to get off the list, and > I wouldn't be surprised if there are others who feel that way. My own opinion is that anything of interest specifically to thinkpad 75x or 36x owners is okay for the list, at least for a little while. I don't see why it has to be strictly technical. Discussion of upgrade disk availability would seem to fit in this category. (I don't particularly want to read complaints either. After the first one or two on any topic there is rarely anything new to be said.) As a guideline, I'd suggest that people post only when they have new information. For example, if someone wants to find out who at IBM to write to about the lack of an ftp site for the upgrade disks, I encourage them to post the address here. Or if the ftp site suddenly materalizes, by all means post that. Keith From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Fri Jul 8 05:48:40 1994 Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01756 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 8 Jul 1994 05:48:38 -0500 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA06044; Fri, 8 Jul 94 06:48:46 -0400 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 94 06:48:46 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9407081048.AA06044@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP Disks Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Status: OR Sure Keith, I agree with your summary, it's actually a good rule, post only messages with information or questions, not simply opinions! (Of course this message violates the rule, but hopefully for the last time) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 8 06:19:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02416 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 8 Jul 1994 06:19:40 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01884; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 06:47:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 06:47:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01877; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 06:47:38 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA06038; Fri, 8 Jul 94 06:47:29 -0400 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 94 06:47:29 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9407081047.AA06038@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: newsgroup? Status: OR Shouldn't we revisit this mailing list becoming a newsgroup, the volume is so much higher, and the big advantage is that it is so much easier to kill threads you are not interested in. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 8 14:00:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09876 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 8 Jul 1994 13:59:59 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10281; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 14:11:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 14:11:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10274; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 14:11:12 -0400 Received: from biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (biophysics.bio.rpi.edu [128.113.8.42]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id OAA11909 for <@rpi.edu:tp750@CS.UTK.EDU>; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 14:11:08 -0400 Received: by biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (920330.SGI/921111.SGI.AUTO) for @rpi.edu:tp750@CS.UTK.EDU id AA15119; Fri, 8 Jul 94 14:12:54 -0400 Date: Fri, 8 Jul 94 14:12:54 -0400 From: arturo@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (Arturo J. Morales) Message-Id: <9407081812.AA15119@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: FTP site Status: OR ok, here it is... Let's say that (hypothetically) someone would be willing to allow users to log in to an account in which the disks would be available for about two days. this would not be 100% what ibm wants, but then again we are all in the same boat... let's say also that someone was a super-user at some machine and could set this up... assuming that this could be done, could someone ftp the disks to the system in question? if this is possible, and you have the disks (latest release) send email and miracles could happen... (sorry about the roundabout way of saying things in the message, but then again i follow CYA policies in this system...) --Art ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Arturo J. Morales | arturo@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu Center For Biophysics and Biochemistry | morala2@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | Troy, NY ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Caveman's Motto: He who hesitates, is lunch... .. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 8 16:18:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21666 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:17:50 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22869; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:28:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:28:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ids.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA22860; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:28:14 -0400 From: Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:27:19 -0400 (EDT) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <940708162719.1da5@ids.net> Subject: Battery Time Status: OR Is the 7-6 hour battery time estimate for the TP755Cs anywhere near realistic. If it isn't what can I expect? Jeff From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 8 17:27:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10462 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 8 Jul 1994 17:27:42 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01389; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 18:01:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 18:01:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA01382; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 18:01:35 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA15428; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 15:01:28 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id PAA09145; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 15:01:16 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407082201.PAA09145@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Battery Time To: NEDRY@ids.net Date: Fri, 8 Jul 1994 15:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <940708162719.1da5@ids.net> from "NEDRY@ids.net" at Jul 8, 94 04:27:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > Is the 7-6 hour battery time estimate for the TP755Cs anywhere near realistic> If it isn't what can I expect? > > Jeff Unless they changed the battery from Nickel Hydride to Lithium- Ion or some other significant change, the answer is a big .... fat ... NO! Figure on about 2.5 hours. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 8 20:58:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07802 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 8 Jul 1994 20:58:37 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15837; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 21:37:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 21:37:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from technet1.shl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA15824; Fri, 8 Jul 1994 21:37:26 -0400 Received: from mm-gw.shl.com by technet1.shl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.8) id AA05474; Fri, 8 Jul 94 18:31:49 PDT Received: by mm-gw.shl.com with Microsoft Mail id <2E1DFF14@mm-gw.shl.com>; Fri, 08 Jul 94 18:36:20 PDT From: NELSON Tim To: "TP750@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: RE: newsgroup? Date: Fri, 08 Jul 94 18:19:00 PDT Message-Id: <2E1DFF14@mm-gw.shl.com> Encoding: 19 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: OR I would prefer it being a mailing list, since I am not an internet user, I am a Microsoft Mail user with an SMTP gateway. A newsgroup cuts me out of the loop. Tim Nelson Chief Scientist SHL Systemhouse Inc. ---------- From: owner-tp750 To: heiby; tp750 Subject: newsgroup? Date: Friday, July 08, 1994 6:47AM Shouldn't we revisit this mailing list becoming a newsgroup, the volume is so much higher, and the big advantage is that it is so much easier to kill threads you are not interested in. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jul 9 02:31:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08034 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 9 Jul 1994 02:31:38 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09821; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 03:05:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 03:05:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA09798; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 03:05:33 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA23084; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 00:03:06 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 00:06:11 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <372.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: battery & charging. Status: OR In message Thu, 7 Jul 1994 23:21:51 -0400 (EDT), jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca (James Cummings) writes: > I rarely just use the battery, and mostly have the tp750 4/340 I have > plugged in as a desktop replacement. I'm curious though, should I remove > or turn off the battery during this time? Cause even when its done > charging, my battery is *quite* hot. In fact I thought I heard it making > funny burping nooises the other night. But I hadn't got much sleep ;-) I've noticed burping noises too (actually, more like dull pops), always when the battery is nearly fully charged. It makes me nervous but I haven't noticed any shortening of battery life. Generally if I'm going to be running off AC for a long time I take the battery out. The exception is if I'm doing something important and don't want everything wiped out by a power failure. What I'd *really* like is an option that keeps the computer running off AC, but doesn't recharge the battery until it's empty. That way the battery will act as a UPS without having to go through charge cycles as often (right now it recharges when the charge drops below 90%). ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim |"If you don't let me play, I'm taking my ball jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | and going home." - Philadelphia Phillies' John jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu | Kruk's T-Shirt upon his return to the team This message sent by NUPop | after having a cancerous testicle removed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jul 9 07:56:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01226 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 9 Jul 1994 07:56:22 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07903; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 08:31:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 08:31:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ids.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA07896; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 08:31:40 -0400 From: Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 8:30:49 -0400 (EDT) To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <940709083049.50b2@ids.net> Subject: Security for TP Status: OR Hi, I have finnaly narrowed my lpatop purchase down to either a Toshiba 2400CT or a Thinkpad 755Cs for school this fall. One thing I like about the Toshiba is the availabilty of the Kensington Microsavor which whould allow me to lock the computer to a desk in my dorm room or possibly a Library if I wanted to leave it unattended. I am very Paranoid and don't want anyone walking off with my new $4000 dollar computer. In the IBM specs it doesn't mention of the computer has a recpetacle for the MicroSavor. If it doesn't does IBM offer an alternative and approximately how much will it cost? Jeff z From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jul 9 12:06:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20900 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 9 Jul 1994 12:06:03 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24779; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 12:21:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 12:21:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA24772; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 12:21:12 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA17495; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 09:21:09 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id JAA28289; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 09:21:06 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407091621.JAA28289@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Security for TP To: NEDRY@ids.net Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 09:21:04 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <940709083049.50b2@ids.net> from "NEDRY@ids.net" at Jul 9, 94 08:30:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > Hi, I have finnaly narrowed my lpatop purchase down to either a Toshiba 240 > or a Thinkpad 755Cs for school this fall. One thing I like about the Toshiba > the availabilty of the Kensington Microsavor which whould allow me to lock t > computer to a desk in my dorm room or possibly a Library if I wanted to leave > it unattended. I am very Paranoid and don't want anyone walking off with my > $4000 dollar computer. In the IBM specs it doesn't mention of the computer h > a recpetacle for the MicroSavor. If it doesn't does IBM offer an alternative > and approximately how much will it cost? > > Jeff The 750 (and I presume the 755's) has a little "security loop" that is fairly decent. It is actually in the hard drive but accessable through the bottom of the TP. You just slide it over and out through a hole in the side of the TP appears this metal thing with a hole in it. It also slides through an apparatus in the "flip-up" keyboard so that when this is slid out, it prevents you from lifting the keyboard (in case someone wants to steal your battery or floppy drive--they couldn't get away with the hard drive even if the keyboard *did* flip up, since that is where the security loop is attached to). At any rate, the security loop is primarily for use to lock securely in the docking station, but it could easily be used to run a small cable through and lock it with a padlock. If I lived in a dorm with roommates, I would consider it reliable for that purpose. And of course, if you are *really* paranoid, you can password protect (through the BIOS) the booting and re-awakening (from Hibernate or Suspend) of your computer, so even when it is attached, your roommate can't go and "use" it without your consent. In a lot of ways, it really is more secure than most any desktop I am aware of. One more thought--and this is something I bought, but haven't brought myself to actually stick to my computer yet (partly because I live in my own apartment with my wife and never leave my computer unattended when on campus)--consider a small alarm. I bought this thing called a "Laptop SonicPro" for about $75. It is a small alarm, about 4 3/4" x 2 1/4" x 1/2", works on 4 AAA batteries (which are virtually *impossible* to remove--they are stuck underneath where you stick the alarm which is *seriously* heavy-duty adherance--fortunately you only have to change them about once per year, so you can make it an evening project to remove the alarm and change the batteries--but its no small task and it *has* to be that way, or a would-be thief could do it on the spot). It works on a motion detector and you can program it with a variety of options--time delay, alarm time length, etc. Basically, if you're in the library and you arm this thing and leave it on the table--anyone who attempts to walk off with it with wake up the whole building--and he won't be able to turn it off either. Its perfect in public places, and the shrieking of the alarm is incredible for such a small package. There's even a guarantee that if your computer is armed with this thing and it gets stolen from a public place (your dorm room probably won't count--but anywhere on campus does), they'll replace the item that was stolen. You can reach the SonicPro people at (408) 982-2568 in Santa Clara, CA. The name on the Business Card that I have here is David Belfor. Good luck--I think between the cable thing and the alarm, your computer will be quite safe! ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jul 9 17:32:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04573 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 9 Jul 1994 17:32:19 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19309; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 18:06:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 18:06:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA19301; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 18:06:41 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA27327 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 15:06:39 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id PAA15466; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 15:06:37 -0700 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 15:06:37 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407092206.PAA15466@aludra.usc.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Newsgroups: alt.flame,aus.computers,aus.computers.ibm-pc,comp.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.misc Subject: Re: Open letter to IBM; refusal to honour warranty Keywords: Thinkpad 750Ce, pixels, warranty, trust, disappointed References: <1994Jul4.110323.22554@levels.unisa.edu.au> Status: OR xtdn@levels.unisa.edu.au writes: >This is being posted on behalf of a friend, who does not have internet access. >Any replies can be forwarded to me (xtdn@levels.unisa.edu.au), or you can >contact him by telephone. >----------------------------------------------------------------------------- >To: Head Honcho, IBM Worldwide >Subject: Repair Policy for Thinkpad 750Ce >From: Eric Mourant, Victoria, Australia >I purchased one of your Thinkpad 750Ce computers, believing that buying IBM >meant buying quality and buying support. I believed that the very enormous >cost of the machine would be justified by superiour qualtiy, and in the >unfortunate event of a failure, by cheerful, prompt and efficacious repair. >Sadly I appear to have been mistaken. That's funny--as the owner of a ThinkPad 750C (an almost identical model), I have been treated to the *best* service imaginable--including the replacing of a battery, power supply (plastic connector cracked), and the tightening of a screen hinge--all free of charge, and all with very quick turnaround. >I accidentally damaged thje case of my machine, breaking the clips that >retain the screen when closed. Key words here are: "I" and "damaged". Sounds to me like you dropped your computer and want IBM to pay for the damage you caused. I think that is rather unreasonable. > I am told that the complete lid, screen and >all, must be replaced; that nothing less can be done. I am told that >repairing 5c worth of plastic will cost over $5000. Somehow I don't think we're getting the whole story and it is tainted by your limitied perspective. >Even more perplexing: One pixel on the screen is faulty; was faulty when the >machine was supplied. This, I thought, is a simple fault which IBM will >surely fix with good cheer. Imagine my horror when I was told that one >fault is not enough! Worse, five faults, ten even, are not enough. Your >policy, I am told, is to not repair your machines until 18 separate faults >have occurred! I don't think it is that high. Evidently, you know NOTHING about Active-Matrix TFT screens. In a nutshell, it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a screen where *every* pixel works perfectly ALL THE TIME. In EVERY screen made, whether by IBM, Sharp, Toshiba, or anyone else, there are some bad pixels--some limited to only a certain color. I'm typing into mine right now where I have two bad pixels--noticable only if one is anal-retentive (as, apparently, are you). IBM has among the highest Q.C. levels on TFT screens and if you want to test that, try buying a no-name notebook with an Active-Matrix Color Screen on it... >I am disappointed, and want you to explain both of these policies, publicly, >in this same forum. >Eric Mourant >(Phone: +61 15 362 277) I think you should explain why you expect IBM to pay for your mistake of dropping your computer... -Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jul 10 00:09:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07909 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 10 Jul 1994 00:09:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16013; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 00:44:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 00:44:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA16006; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 00:44:36 -0400 Received: by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id VAA02126; Sat, 9 Jul 1994 21:44:40 -0700 Date: Sat, 9 Jul 1994 21:44:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: Security for TP To: NEDRY@ids.net Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <940709083049.50b2@ids.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Yes it has security features that allow you to atach it but these are easily gotten around. You maywant to consider an insurance policy. I insure my machine with SAFEWARE. This is all they do. 10K of coverage is only $250 It covers accidental damage loss for hardware and software !!!! Their number is 1-800-848-3469. or 1-614-262-0559 Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM On Sat, 9 Jul 1994 NEDRY@ids.net wrote: > Hi, I have finnaly narrowed my lpatop purchase down to either a Toshiba 2400CT > or a Thinkpad 755Cs for school this fall. One thing I like about the Toshiba is > the availabilty of the Kensington Microsavor which whould allow me to lock the > computer to a desk in my dorm room or possibly a Library if I wanted to leave > it unattended. I am very Paranoid and don't want anyone walking off with my new > $4000 dollar computer. In the IBM specs it doesn't mention of the computer has > a recpetacle for the MicroSavor. If it doesn't does IBM offer an alternative > and approximately how much will it cost? > > Jeff > z > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jul 10 14:44:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28067 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 10 Jul 1994 14:44:01 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22768; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:22:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:22:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22761; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:22:16 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA22780 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 10 Jul 1994 14:22:00 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199407101922.AA22780@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Need help on hardware To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 14:22:00 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199407071310.JAA01322@CS.UTK.EDU> from "Ruckstuhl, Keith E" at Jul 7, 94 09:07:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > able to establish communications. I have a 750 mono, > and the scanner was hooked up to the serial port, and I > tried setting the program to address com1 and com2- > neither seemed to work. Any ideas? Is there anything First, does the scanner need a 16550 UART? I shouldn't think so, but you never know. Having checked that it doesn't, have you made sure that the power to your serial port is on? If so, check your BIOS also to see what COM port your external serial port is set to. It's most likely COM1. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jul 10 14:48:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28830 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 10 Jul 1994 14:48:26 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22480; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:20:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:20:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22468; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:19:58 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA22136 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 10 Jul 1994 14:19:41 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199407101919.AA22136@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Mail to IBM? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 14:19:41 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199407070635.CAA23712@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "Keith Moore" at Jul 7, 94 02:35:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > In the meantime though, we can get a letter-writing campaign. > > Why not just post the address of the person to bother, and let > people mail their own letters? Best idea yet. Now, where should we send the mail? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jul 10 15:01:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01435 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:01:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23188; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:28:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:28:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23170; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:27:58 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA24077 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 10 Jul 1994 14:27:41 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199407101927.AA24077@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Battery life and DOS's To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 14:27:40 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199407071751.KAA06301@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Jul 7, 94 10:51:41 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I bought the machine expecting 3.5 hours out of the battery and I think I > had a right to expect it, given the range of the claim--3.5 to 8 hours. If > they had said 2.5 to 8 hours, then I would have only expected 2.5 hours. As John Kim said, the only way to pull off anything close to the IBM specified times is to run off a RAM drive. Interesting to say the least, but very possible if you are a DOS user with lots of megs of RAM (unlikely though since those users would most likely be using Windows or OS/2). > Not that it makes much difference--but stick with PC-DOS. It has > certain little features that I like better than MS-DOS anyway, and it is > certainly no less capable. Agreed. As for disk compression software though, I still say Stacker is the way to go. But since SuperStor comes with PC-DOS, it's should be fine too. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jul 10 15:04:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02467 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:03:57 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23189; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:28:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:28:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23169; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:27:58 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA28015 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 12:27:56 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id MAA06760 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 12:27:54 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407101927.MAA06760@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: MORE on External Serial Ports/Modems! To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 12:27:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Well folks, I have just discovered something... As many of you might remember, I was trying to run a V.32bis external modem on my ThinkPad via the external serial port, but was having trouble going any higher than 9600 baud. I was/am using Procomm + for Windows. One person suggested that I remove FuelDOS from memory, as it interferes with the serial port operation and--under windows--I wouldn't need it anyway. Well on a whim, I decided to do the same with the Windows-based Fuel program. It worked. I can now connect and D/L at 14.4K without any errors as long as the Windows Fuel program is not on. But it is touchy--don't even *dare* trying to switch to another window or open another program (I discovered this while D/L'ing--I was getting about 1600 cps on the D/L and wanted to test it by opening up the Windows Fuel program to see if it affected it. When I went to re-size the window and that *alone* caused some errors. In fact, unless Procomm was *fully* in the foreground, it couldn't handle any kind of background operation and still handle the 14.4K D/L without errors (though it does so pretty well with 9600). So the bottom line--it *can* work at 14.4K and D/L at normal 14.4K speeds provided (A) You remove the Fuel Program(s) (though maybe you OS/2 folks have better luck with yours) AND (B) You don't have another program in the foreground or do *anything* to compete for resources (including the sizing of your terminal Window). *Sigh* I'm hoping that when MHz comes out with that 28.8K V.34 XJack, they include a UART buffer that is fairly sizable--preferably more than the standard 8 bytes in the 16550... ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jul 10 16:26:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17780 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 10 Jul 1994 16:26:06 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28896; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 16:40:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 16:40:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28882; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 16:40:28 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA26556 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Sun, 10 Jul 1994 16:40:25 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA43174; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 16:40:04 -0400 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 16:40:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: Re: MORE on External Serial Ports/Modems! To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP In-Reply-To: <199407101927.MAA06760@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR In my experience Procomm Plus for windows never worked well downloading in the background on any computer. Qmodem Pro for Windows does work however, and even gets decent throughput if you switch to a full dos window. Josh Hosseinoff ----- hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jul 10 17:37:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27763 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 10 Jul 1994 17:37:20 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05612; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 18:05:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 18:05:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05594; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 18:05:32 -0400 Received: from girtab.usc.edu (whittle@girtab.usc.edu [128.125.253.145]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id PAA02790; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:05:29 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by girtab.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id PAA19603; Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:05:27 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407102205.PAA19603@girtab.usc.edu> Subject: Re: MORE on External Serial Ports/Modems! To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu (Joshua Hosseinoff) Date: Sun, 10 Jul 1994 15:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Joshua Hosseinoff" at Jul 10, 94 04:40:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > In my experience Procomm Plus for windows never worked well downloading > in the background on any computer. Qmodem Pro for Windows does work > however, and even gets decent throughput if you switch to a full dos window. > > Josh Hosseinoff ----- hosseino@yu1.yu.edu ??? I've never used Qmodem Pro for Win, so I don't know how well it works, so I cannot comment there. But for me, Procomm Plus for Win has always performed stellarly! Of course, I've always run it with a 16550 (or better--I have a Telcor T/Port--a co-processed serial port with 16K buffering in my desktop machine). At any rate, I've always had no trouble at all opening other software, resizing windows, switching to other programs, etc.-- and Procomm has always done well D/L'ing in the background--no hiccups at all! Of course that was before I tried to run it on the ThinkPad with a weak serial port... :) ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 11 10:08:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28344 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 11 Jul 1994 10:08:00 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26097; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 10:32:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 10:32:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA26090; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 10:32:14 -0400 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 5533; Mon, 11 Jul 94 10:32:09 EDT Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 9293; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 10:32:09 EDT Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 11 Jul 94 10:32:08 EDT Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA24995; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 10:32:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 10:32:04 -0400 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9407111432.AA24995@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Mathematica on 750C Status: OR Hi, I am having major problems installing Mathematica on my 750C with DOS 6.3 and Windows 3.1. I was wondering if anybody else has installed this software. Part of the install is the installation of the Win32s 32-bit Windows package. When it finishes the install of Win32s, I get the error: "Application Error: DSHELL caused a General Protection Fault in module INIUPD.DLL at 0001:0E91." Then, I get a bunch of SHARE vilations. When I subsequently try to start Mathematica, I get an error that Win32s is not installed properly. Any suggestions?? I did try reinstalling with a barebones system, i.e. no power software, PCMCIA, antivirus, etc. No luck. --andy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 12 14:07:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07867 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 12 Jul 1994 14:07:28 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13495; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 14:18:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 14:18:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nic.hookup.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13488; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 14:18:26 -0400 Received: from vetter.hookup.net (vetter.hookup.net [198.133.162.55]) by nic.hookup.net (8.6.9/1.203) with SMTP id OAA25986; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 14:06:38 -0400 Message-Id: <199407121806.OAA25986@nic.hookup.net> X-Sender: vetter@hookup.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 14:05:58 -0400 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: vetter@hookup.net (Tim Vetter) Subject: Re: Mathematica on 750C X-Mailer: Status: OR >Part of the install is the installation of the Win32s 32-bit Windows >package. When it finishes the install of Win32s, I get the error: >"Application Error: DSHELL caused a General Protection Fault in module >INIUPD.DLL at 0001:0E91." Then, I get a bunch of SHARE vilations. ThinkPads don't get along with the MicroSoft's Win32s setup program for some strange reason. But the setup.inf file should give you enough information to manually expand the files (using DOS's 'expand' utility) that weren't installed before the GPF, place them in the appropriate directories, and insert references to them in system.ini. Sorry I can't give more detailed info but it's a while since I did this. Good luck. Tim --------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Vetter 73 Warren Road, Kitchener, Ontario N2M4T6 CANADA vetter@hookup.net voice 519-579-9904 fax 519-571-9520 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 12 15:00:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23534 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 12 Jul 1994 15:00:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16996; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 14:55:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 14:55:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16977; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 14:55:32 -0400 Received: from toddspc.engr.wisc.edu by snapple.engr.wisc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.10G/31) id AA041699323; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 13:55:23 -0500 Message-Id: <199407121855.AA041699323@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 13:55:24 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu (Todd Tannenbaum) Subject: Re: Mathematica on 750C X-Mailer: Status: OR >>Part of the install is the installation of the Win32s 32-bit Windows >>package. When it finishes the install of Win32s, I get the error: >>"Application Error: DSHELL caused a General Protection Fault in module >>INIUPD.DLL at 0001:0E91." Then, I get a bunch of SHARE vilations. > >ThinkPads don't get along with the MicroSoft's Win32s setup program for some >strange reason. But the setup.inf file should give you enough information >to manually expand the files (using DOS's 'expand' utility) that weren't >installed before the GPF, place them in the appropriate directories, and >insert references to them in system.ini. Sorry I can't give more detailed >info but it's a while since I did this. Good luck. > >Tim > I saved the "details" from Tim's original message a couple months ago; thanks Tim!! I included the message below. By the way, I installed the very most recent version of Win32s a couple weeks ago & did not encounter any problems with the install program. So, one of 2 things happened: (1) either Microsoft cleaned up their installation in the new Win32s release, or (2) it worked because the installation program was just "upgrading" an earlier release of Win32s. Here is Tim's original instructions: >Has anyone installed Win32s on the TP750? Yes, but I encountered the same problem with a hang near the end of the install. Never did figure out the cause, but it is possible to work around the hang by using the DOS 'expand' command to manually decompress the few remaining files from the install diskette. I forget which ones they were, but it should be sufficient to know that all the files install in \windows\system\win32s, with the following exceptions: In \windows\system directory - w32sys.dll win32s16.dll winmm16.dll Also make sure the following line has been added to the [386Enh] section of your system.ini file: device=c:\windows\system\win32s\w32s.386 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 12 16:03:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13892 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:03:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23620; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:07:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:07:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23610; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:06:57 -0400 Subject: Win32S installation on 750C To: Todd Tannenbaum Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:04:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Tyhurst Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199407121855.AA041699323@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> from "Todd Tannenbaum" at Jul 12, 94 01:55:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: tim@excelsior.com Message-Id: <9407121606.aa20817@dogmead.excelsior.com> Status: OR > >ThinkPads don't get along with the MicroSoft's Win32s setup program for some > >strange reason. But the setup.inf file should give you enough information > >to manually expand the files (using DOS's 'expand' utility) that weren't > >installed before the GPF, place them in the appropriate directories, and > >insert references to them in system.ini. Sorry I can't give more detailed > >info but it's a while since I did this. Good luck. For what it's worth, I installed the version of Win32s that came with Borland C++ V4.0 a while ago on my 360 (running WFW 3.11) without incident. -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 12 16:12:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17361 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:12:16 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24522; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:17:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:17:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24485; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:16:56 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02589; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 13:14:16 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 13:17:37 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <47858.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: PDS for PCMCIA soon! Status: OR I picked this off one of the OS/2 newsgroups. Personal Dictation System is a hardware and software speech recognition package. It's supposed to work at 90 wpm (only needs short pauses between each word) and features context sensitive spelling (tell it "Write a letter right now to Mr. Wright" and it'll spell everything correctly). Right now it's only available for OS/2 but IBM is supposedly porting it to other platforms. It costs about $1000. (Sorry if this sounds like an ad) PDS on a TP would be way cool! From: tim.sipples@gco.com (TIM SIPPLES) Newsgroups: comp.os.os2.apps Subject: PCMCIA Card for Speech Re Date: Thu, 7 Jul 1994 07:28:00 GMT Organization: GREATER CHICAGO 1-708-895-4042 >From: timtulloch@delphi.com > >Does anyone know if there's a PCMCIA card for the IBM Personal >Dictation System or Dragon? I want to know if I can voice-enable >a laptop PC. Thanks... in advance! --Tim Slated for September for the IBM Personal Dictation System -- stay tuned. T.F.S. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim |"If you don't let me play, I'm taking my ball jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | and going home." - Philadelphia Phillies' John jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu | Kruk's T-Shirt upon his return to the team This message sent by NUPop | after having a cancerous testicle removed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 12 16:13:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17680 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:13:33 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24521; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:17:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:17:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24435; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:16:50 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02586; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 13:14:11 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 13:17:32 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <47853.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: NEDRY@ids.net, TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Battery Time Status: OR In message Fri, 8 Jul 1994 16:27:19 -0400 (EDT), writes: > Is the 7-6 hour battery time estimate for the TP755Cs anywhere near > realistic. If it isn't what can I expect? The 3.3 Volt 486 DX2/50 draws 460 milli-Amps (about 1.5 Watts) according to the Intel specs someone posted to comp.sys.laptops a while back. If the 755 battery is the same as the 750 battery, it's 3.3 Amp-hours. So if the only thing running on the computer was the CPU, you'd get slightly over 7 hours. After you factor in the power draw from the memory, screen, system board, and display, I think you'll be lucky to get a third of that. Of course if someone who actually owns a TP755Cs could speak up we'd all be wiser. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim |"If you don't let me play, I'm taking my ball jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | and going home." - Philadelphia Phillies' John jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu | Kruk's T-Shirt upon his return to the team This message sent by NUPop | after having a cancerous testicle removed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 12 16:59:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01284 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 12 Jul 1994 16:59:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29486; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 17:09:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 17:09:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29472; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 17:09:12 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA21160 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 14:09:03 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id OAA16438 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 14:08:54 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407122108.OAA16438@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: MathCAD & Win32s To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 14:08:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR As long as we're talking about Mathematica and Win32s extensions on the TP750C, I'd like to ask one and all if anyone else out there uses MathCAD (especialy on the 750). My installation of MathCAD 5.0 went flawlessly on the desktop and works just fine. The same install on my TP had the win32s extension problem... But I made the necessary fixes and all is well. But one problem (with MathCAD) on the TP--MathCAD will not load its "Symbolic" processor to do symbolic math. It does just fine on my desktop, but not my TP. I have 12 MB RAM and an 8 MB swapfile (as recommended by MathCAD), so I don't think it is for lack of system resources. My only thought is maybe I should just try re-installing it, now that I've got Win32s extensions ironed out. Maybe it couldn't fully install itself since it hung when putting in the Win32s extensions. Its just that the install routine was so gosh-awful slowwwwww... ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 13 01:05:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18508 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 13 Jul 1994 01:05:28 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04928; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 01:25:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 01:25:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc8.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04909; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 01:25:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 01:18:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Malaby Subject: Hello everyone! To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I'm very glad to hear of this mailing list, especially because I'm pressed for time trying to find some answers before I leave the country on dissertation research (with my trusty TP360cs in hand). Actually, my TP360cs is not here yet, but I nonetheless have one question I hope someone can help me with. I'm going to buy a 14.4 PCMCIA faxmodem to access an email account and I'm looking for recommendations (ideally around $200). The difficulty is that I'm going to be using the modem in Greece, which is almost entirely without phonejacks of any kind. Any advice (either on the modem itself or what I'll need to access the phonelines)? Thanks in advance for any help. You can email me directly or just post to the list. Thomas Malaby -- malaby@husc.harvard.edu Department of Anthropology, Harvard University "The plate of the hunter, the gambler, and the fisherman is nine times empty and one time full." --Cretan Proverb From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 13 01:23:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19760 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 13 Jul 1994 01:23:44 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06384; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 01:43:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 01:43:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from top.cis.syr.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06364; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 01:43:02 -0400 Message-Id: <199407130543.BAA06364@CS.UTK.EDU> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 94 1:41:23 EDT From: yetseng@top.cis.syr.edu Subject: CD-ROM for TP To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Hi all, Recently, I plan to purchase a CD-ROM driver. But now, it seems difficult to make a decision for me. I like the DOCK I, thus it will cost me another $599 for a DOUBLE-speed CD-ROM, but expandable in future. On the other hand, I could get a NEC-3Xe+PCMCIA SCSI for around $700. That's nice to me, too. Anyway, I need some input to help me make a decision. Any information will be very appreciated! Thanx for your reply in advance:-) -yc From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 13 01:32:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20447 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 13 Jul 1994 01:32:21 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07041; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 01:53:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 01:53:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from top.cis.syr.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07033; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 01:53:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199407130553.BAA07033@CS.UTK.EDU> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 94 1:52:45 EDT From: yetseng@top.cis.syr.edu Subject: Memory for TP7xx To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Hi all, In August issue of PC Laptop, I saw a ad from MobilePlanet, they carry TP7xx IC-DRAM 16M for $795 and 32M for $1899. Is it a good deal? -yc From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 13 12:35:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02580 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 13 Jul 1994 12:35:55 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05775; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 12:04:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 12:04:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cuisun3.unige.ch by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05758; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 12:04:39 -0400 Received: (from vito@localhost) by cuisun3.unige.ch (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) id SAA11463; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 18:04:35 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 18:04:35 +0200 From: BAGGIOLINI Vito Message-Id: <199407131604.SAA11463@cuisun3.unige.ch> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Linux on TP360? Cc: vito@cuisun3.unige.ch Status: OR Hello, I would like to buy a laptop and run Linux on it and I'm considering to get a ThinkPad 360 mono... So here's my question: is anybody successfully running Linux on that machine? How difficult is it to get it running? (I've heard about the problems with the TP750...) Thanks in advance for your answers! Vito ----------------------------------------------------------------- Vito Baggiolini - Telecommunications Group - University of Geneva vito@cui.unige.ch - Tel +41-22-705.76.41 - Fax +41-22-320.29.27 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 13 14:16:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02018 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 13 Jul 1994 14:16:32 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19597; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 14:35:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 14:35:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from lobby2b.ti.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19584; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 14:35:16 -0400 Received: from spdc.ti.com by lobby2b.ti.com with SMTP (8.6.8.1/LAI-3.2) id NAA03609; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 13:32:26 -0500 Received: from epcot.spdc.ti.com by spdc.ti.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06388; Wed, 13 Jul 94 13:32:31 CDT Received: by epcot.spdc.ti.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13230; Wed, 13 Jul 94 13:31:39 CDT From: rajgopal@spdc.ti.com (Rajan Rajgopal) Message-Id: <9407131831.AA13230@epcot.spdc.ti.com> Subject: New Thinkpad with OS/2 preloaded To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 13:31:38 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR I am interested in a new TP with OS/2 preloaded. Any help regarding compatibility issues, cost, battery life and tips on which model to buy would be helpful. Thanks, Rajan -- Rajan Rajgopal rajgopal@spdc.ti.com Texas Instruments Inc. Ph#214-995-9861 Dallas, Tx From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 13 14:47:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12315 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 13 Jul 1994 14:47:39 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22177; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:02:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:02:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA22169; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:02:45 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA27267 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 13 Jul 1994 14:02:24 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199407131902.AA27267@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Xfree and TP's To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 14:02:23 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR I picked up a little something interesting that I thought might be of use to Linux-users or would-be-Linux-users. ---- From: erik@westworld.esd.sgi.com (Erik Fortune) Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops,comp.windows.x Subject: Re: Video Chips & Xfree: WD90c24 Date: 11 Jul 1994 19:30:27 GMT Message-ID: <2vs6kk$kb1@gazette.esd.sgi.com> References: In article , dernst@pppl.gov writes: > So ... does Xfree support 1024 x 768 x 256 on the WD90c24 chipset? > If not, is there a driver out there that does? Note this chipset is > not listed in the compatible cards for Xfree, but other WD chipsets > are. First, a few notes: The WD90C24 is an older chipset and is not accelerated. Xfree 2.1.1 supports it (in 640x480x256, at least) by treating like a WD90C30. The WD90C24A (and A2) is accelerated. Xfree 2.1.1 recognizes it as a WD90C24 and supports it (at 640x480x256) but does not take advantage of the acceleration. The blitter/cursor are compatible with the WD90C31, so if you have a WD90C24A you should specify the chipset to be wd90c31 in your Xconfig file. I haven't tried X on the external monitory, but my INSI ECHObook (identical to the Everex STEP Note and a nice machine, btw) seems to have a strange memory configuration. According to the Western Digital documentation, my WD90C24A2 reports 512K, but I am able to run windows in 1024x768x256 on an external monitor. I'm hacking around with the server as time allows (i.e. not very much) and if I figure anything out, I'll send it back to the Xfree folks. Cheers, Erik ------- Preetty interesting. What video chip do we TP75x owners have? The WD90C24, WD90C24A, or WD90C24A2? And has anyone managed to get SVGA on a TPxxxC? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 13 14:59:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16002 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 13 Jul 1994 14:59:27 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23484; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:17:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:16:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23477; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:16:55 -0400 From: Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP (relay) id QQwykj02299; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:16:41 -0400 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02929; Wed, 13 Jul 94 12:08:08 PDT Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA28705; Wed, 13 Jul 94 12:17:18 PDT Received: from localhost by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14617; Wed, 13 Jul 94 12:15:20 PDT Message-Id: <9407131915.AA14617@opus.objy.com> To: rajgopal@spdc.ti.com (Rajan Rajgopal) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: New Thinkpad with OS/2 preloaded In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 13 Jul 94 13:31:38 CDT." <9407131831.AA13230@epcot.spdc.ti.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4 6/24/94 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 94 12:15:20 -0700 Status: OR I don't think IBM is preloading OS/2 on any of the Thinkpads. Or at least, it wasn't an option with the 750 and earlier units. The press release for the 755 that I saw said DOS, Windows and a bit of application software (anyone remember the package?) is preloaded, but I saw no mention of OS/2. This irks me too because OS/2 is supposed to be their strategic 32 bit OS and the TP's are more than capable of running it, yet they refuse to supply it. I guess the issue is memory, with the stock 4 Mb only being half of the minimum required to run OS/2. I still think users should be given the option with a unit that's that expensive. --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 13 15:08:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18947 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:07:57 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24620; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:28:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:28:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alf.uib.no by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24610; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:28:16 -0400 Received: from pc161.sv-fak.uib.no by alf.uib.no with SMTP (PP) id <18561-0@alf.uib.no>; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 21:28:01 +0200 X-Nupop-Charset: Norwegian/Danish Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 21:26:19 +0100 (CET) From: Thor Oivind Jensen Sender: Thor.O.Jensen@aorg.uib.no Message-Id: <77182.soatj@alf.uib.no> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: PCMCIA HARDDISK Status: OR As stated several times in this group, disks are VERY expensive to our TP's. The cheapest upggrade might be the installation of an PCMCIA III drive. They comes up to 130MB (one "TP-approved" with Stacker prelaoded for 250MB or so). Some questions: *Is installation possible and simple as advertising says ? *Will they draw a lot of power ? *How will they react to the battery-saving systems, do the spin down with the general system, are separate systems installed or none at all ? *Can they be turned off when not needed ? Thor \ivind Jensen Institutt for administrasjon og organisasjonsvitenskap Christiesgt 17 N-5007 BERGEN, Norway ++47 5 212153 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 13 16:05:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07970 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 13 Jul 1994 16:05:15 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29751; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 16:17:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 16:17:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from lobby2b.ti.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29743; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 16:17:18 -0400 Received: from spdc.ti.com by lobby2b.ti.com with SMTP (8.6.8.1/LAI-3.2) id PAA09559; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:14:19 -0500 Received: from epcot.spdc.ti.com by spdc.ti.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09020; Wed, 13 Jul 94 15:14:22 CDT Received: by epcot.spdc.ti.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20654; Wed, 13 Jul 94 15:13:29 CDT From: rajgopal@spdc.ti.com (Rajan Rajgopal) Message-Id: <9407132013.AA20654@epcot.spdc.ti.com> Subject: Re: New Thinkpad with OS/2 preloaded To: bruce@objy.com Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:13:29 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9407131915.AA14617@opus.objy.com> from "bruce@objy.com" at Jul 13, 94 12:15:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > I don't think IBM is preloading OS/2 on any of the Thinkpads. Or > at least, it wasn't an option with the 750 and earlier units. The > press release for the 755 that I saw said DOS, Windows and a bit of > application software (anyone remember the package?) is preloaded, but > I saw no mention of OS/2. This irks me too because OS/2 is supposed > to be their strategic 32 bit OS and the TP's are more than capable > of running it, yet they refuse to supply it. I guess the issue is > memory, with the stock 4 Mb only being half of the minimum required > to run OS/2. I still think users should be given the option with a > unit that's that expensive. Bruce, I recently read that once the Personal OS/2 (currently in Beta) is released in September, the PSP group has agreed to start preloading OS/2 on the thinkpads. The problems I have is that I want to buy a TP before sept. I agree that on such an expensive machine, we should be at least given an option. Rajan. -- Rajan Rajgopal rajgopal@spdc.ti.com Texas Instruments Inc. Ph#214-995-9861 Dallas, Tx From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 13 17:14:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29072 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 13 Jul 1994 17:14:41 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25618; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:36:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:36:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alf.uib.no by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25611; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 15:36:30 -0400 Received: from pc161.sv-fak.uib.no by alf.uib.no with SMTP (PP) id <18764-0@alf.uib.no>; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 21:36:18 +0200 X-Nupop-Charset: Norwegian/Danish Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 21:34:36 +0100 (CET) From: Thor Oivind Jensen Sender: Thor.O.Jensen@aorg.uib.no Message-Id: <77679.soatj@alf.uib.no> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Diskette station problems Status: OR The last week I spent a lot of time with backup problems. 1,44MB diskettes both those formatted as 2,88 and plain 1,44 gave me a lot of problems. They seem to develop Bad sectors in a well known pattern from the last days of my IBM LS40SX. The pattern is showing as Bad sectors on the last opart of Norton Disk Doctor, one spot for each X sectors and the distance narrowing near the bottom, the foirst part of the surface is always OK. Romurs tells that slim notebook diskette readers often behave this way. My impression is that they are over-nervous, desktop PC's happily accept problem diskettes and don't find bad sectors. Moving data files seldom creates problems, but installing new software from 100% filled-up and compressed diskettes is a nightmare. Any ideas ? What can I say to my supplier ? Thor \ivind Jensen Institutt for administrasjon og organisasjonsvitenskap Christiesgt 17 N-5007 BERGEN, Norway ++47 5 212153 From matthewn@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu Wed Jul 13 23:27:28 1994 Received: from argus.cso.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04628 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 13 Jul 1994 23:27:11 -0500 Received: by argus.cso.uiuc.edu id AA11154 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 13 Jul 1994 23:27:25 -0500 Received: from sumter.cso.uiuc.edu by argus.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA60813 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 13 Jul 1994 23:27:21 -0500 Received: by sumter.cso.uiuc.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA08797; Wed, 13 Jul 94 23:27:09 -0500 Received: from [128.174.5.62] by sumter.cso.uiuc.edu (NX5.67e/NX3.0M) id AA08788; Wed, 13 Jul 94 23:27:06 -0500 Received: by ux4.cso.uiuc.edu id AA01517 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for matthewn@sumter.cso.uiuc.edu); Wed, 13 Jul 1994 23:27:14 -0500 Received: by ux4.cso.uiuc.edu id AA01511 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for stunnels@uiuc.edu); Wed, 13 Jul 1994 23:27:11 -0500 X-Ph: V4.1@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu X-Ph: V4.3@argus.cso.uiuc.edu From: Kahler Stuart Glenn Message-Id: <199407140427.AA01511@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: RSO To: stunnels@uiuc.edu Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 23:27:10 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199407140140.AA20130@ux4.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Helen, The Ill-Tempered Ticket Lady" at Jul 13, 94 08:40:38 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 760 Reply-To: stunnels@uiuc.edu X-Sender: STunnels Errors-To: stunnels-request@uiuc.edu Status: OR > > Too true. If you're really interested, I could post the generic form > letter all the ACM sigs got. We got screwed, if you haven't guessed. As long as it's not too big, go ahead. I know JACK got screwed for sure. We used to get huge turnouts for meetings until SORF showed up, cut funding and now we hope for maybe 20-30 people per hot, brightly lit, uncormfortable rooms. What gets our money now? Half of the booths on the quad next fall that are frats or sororities. It's too bad my $5 goes toward legal services too, or else I'd have gone down to the office with a couple dozen others to get it refunded. Oh, to keep this stunnel related, we were considering traveling to the SORF office from the six-pack area by the steam tunnels. :-) Stuart From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 15 09:20:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AB05549 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 15 Jul 1994 09:20:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26411; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 08:38:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 08:38:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from vgi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26404; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 08:38:00 -0400 From: Received: from lucy.vgi.com ([1.0.2.102]) by vgi.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13599; Fri, 15 Jul 94 08:44:07 EDT Received: by lucy.vgi.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA05405; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 08:39:24 +0500 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 08:39:24 +0500 Message-Id: <9407151239.AA05405@lucy.vgi.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Need some help w/Linux kernel on Thinkpad 360. X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Status: OR Hey folks, I just got a Thinkpad 360 w/8M RAM and 170M HD and I'm trying to run Linux. If anyone has tried this or something close to this (the new 755?), I'd like to hear about your experiences. In summary, the bare kernels and those similar to it have a problem with the floppy drive. I grabbed a kernel called zImage.Thinkpad which appears to be for 750's, this locks up after uncompressing, determining there is no math coprocessor and saying "Giving Up", though it does boot and recognize the floppy disk. Perhaps the problem is the need to specify the hard disk geometry and I'm not sure how to acomplish this using this Thinkpad kernel. Any ideas anyone? thanks, ed From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 15 13:55:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28797 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 15 Jul 1994 13:55:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22732; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 13:59:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 13:59:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22726; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 13:59:21 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id NAA06116; Fri, 15 Jul 1994 13:46:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199407151746.NAA06116@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: tekeian@vgi.com Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Need some help w/Linux kernel on Thinkpad 360. In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 15 Jul 1994 08:39:24 +0500." <9407151239.AA05405@lucy.vgi.com> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 1994 13:46:15 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR For Linux on the 750, I had to wire-in the disk geometry. The zImage file that you have for the thinkpad probably reflects my 320Mb disk drive, so it won't work with your 170Mb drive. There may be other problems also; I'm not sure what the differences are between the 750 and the 360. The only way I could get Linux running was to install Linux on a normal 386 system, and repeatedly try patching the kernel source on that machin until I could get it to load on the thinkpad. I used the UMSDOS hack to install a root file system on the thinkpad's disk until I could build a real file system. Eventually I got it running, only to abandon it later because the Linux networking code at that time wasn't robust enough. I'm now running NetBSD 0.9 on my 750 (which also required several patches). The patches I used for Linux, along with a couple of other fixes that came along later, are available for anonymous ftp from cs.utk.edu, directory pub/moore/linux. Keith Moore From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jul 16 01:10:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18824 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 16 Jul 1994 01:10:10 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15187; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 01:34:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 01:34:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA15180; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 01:34:45 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407160534.AA07161@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: heeeelp...installing linux... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 01:34:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Okay... Can ANYONE give a no-nonsense idiot-proof guide to installing linux on a TP 750C w/ 340 HD? I'm at wit's end... I got the Thinkpad 750 "kernel" from peipa.essex.ac.uk (/pub/tp750). Now what? I don't know what to do... I downloaded the SCSI bootimage from tsx-mit.edu. Ran that. SHeld down the left shift key to specify the hard drive type. Did that. When it asks for another disk...what do i insert??? If I need to make the patches outlined...then how do I do that when I can install off the floppy in order to make the %^#$%@ patches?????? (Sorry if I seem like I'm griping...I'm just PO'ed at linux...) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jul 16 21:32:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19403 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 16 Jul 1994 21:32:51 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20493; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 22:03:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 22:03:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA20485; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 22:03:17 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407170203.AA15323@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: okay...linux setup hangs... To: tekeian@vgi.com Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 22:03:09 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: <9407170106.AA05931@lucy.vgi.com> from "tekeian@vgi.com" at Jul 16, 94 09:06:28 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Okey...Thanks for the input. As many of you may know, I've been tinkering w/ linux for a while now. Last night was the one night I decided to stay up and get it working...NOT! I have the zImage.Thinkpad. For some reason, just booting w/ it doesn't work. It doesn't recognize the HD geometry. Something about not being able to read superblock. MS-DOS bread fails. So what I did was to copy the kernel to an SCSI boot disk, overwriting the current SCSI kernel. That seemed to work, until I started to try to install the other portions off floppy. ARRRRGH! Okey...anyone who's REALLY REALLY bored...anyone want to make up some ThinkPad install disks? I'd be willing to help with documentation, etc. But alas, I don't think I have any reliable way of creating the kernels at the current point. Has anyone else had problems with the INSTALL diskette being mounted as read-only? Apparently, this makes it difficult to create files in the /tmp directory on the root (the install disk). I used the mount -n -o remount /dev/fd0 to remount the root as read and write. Okey...if anyone has any suggestions...I'm going to be pulling another all-nighter trying to get Linux installed. If I get it installed, I will try to fully document EXACTLY what I'm doing. For your info, I have: TP 750C 4/340. Hmmm...Please feel free to send a talk request if you want tonight if you are bored and want to help. -- Derek From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jul 16 08:27:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19015 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 16 Jul 1994 08:27:54 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26495; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 09:00:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 09:00:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26482; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 09:00:16 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407161300.AA12288@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: okay...linux setup hangs... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 09:00:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR okay...copied the patched linux kernel to the bootdisk (overwriting the scsi.gz kernel). tried installing using the color...it keeps restarting the computer when we are installing from the other hd partition... we had to change the floppy (color.gz) to read-write mountable...is there an easier way??? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jul 16 23:02:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28419 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 16 Jul 1994 23:02:48 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27285; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 23:34:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 23:34:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27278; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 23:34:25 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407170334.AA17602@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: okay...linux setup hangs... To: chan4@scunix5.harvard.edu Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 23:34:24 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: <9407170203.AA15323@husc7.harvard.edu> from "chan4@husc" at Jul 16, 94 10:03:09 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR BTW...I help down the left-shit key when booting the original Thinkpax kernel...but there's no lilo. Hence, that's why copied the kernel over to another disk. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jul 17 00:51:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08000 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 17 Jul 1994 00:51:08 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03539; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 01:20:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 01:20:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03522; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 01:20:14 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id WAA26822; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 22:20:02 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id WAA01399; Sat, 16 Jul 1994 22:20:00 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407170520.WAA01399@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: okay...linux setup hangs... To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu Date: Sat, 16 Jul 1994 22:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9407170334.AA17602@husc7.harvard.edu> from "chan4@husc.harvard.edu" at Jul 16, 94 11:34:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > BTW...I help down the left-shit key when booting the original Thinkpax There's a "left-shit" key on the TP? I don't remember seeing it... and what if I wanted a shit on the right side? (Sarcasm mode off--exiting before the flames begin....) ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jul 17 01:41:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11570 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 17 Jul 1994 01:41:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07204; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 02:06:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 02:06:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc10.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07197; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 02:06:20 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407170606.AA29982@husc10.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: okay...linux setup hangs... To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randal Whittle) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 1994 02:06:16 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: <199407170520.WAA01399@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Jul 16, 94 10:20:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Well..if you reeeeally have to take a "shift," lift the top... :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jul 17 03:11:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15959 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 17 Jul 1994 03:11:11 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14725; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 03:38:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 03:38:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hk.super.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14718; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 03:38:02 -0400 Received: by hk.super.net id AA25288 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 17 Jul 1994 15:37:58 +0800 Date: Sun, 17 Jul 1994 15:37:58 +0800 From: "Mr. Tony K Ng" Message-Id: <199407170737.AA25288@hk.super.net> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Hi all, I just read thru the most updated TPFAQ. And stupid me just found out that there is a reset button in my TP750C. So, I just tried it right away. But I guess it doesn't work quit well! Here's the symtom: 1. When the button is depressed, it seems the machine is off. 2. When the machine is battery powered and button is released, nothing happened. The machine does not reset. 3. When the machine is AC powered and button is released, the two rightmost lights and battery light flashed once and went off. I tried hitting the button couple of times with different speeds but got the same thing. Anyone out there could tell the reason?? I am not sure if I am using the most updated BIOS. I just know the my utility disk is version 1.20. Could this be the cause? -Tony From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jul 17 15:49:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17091 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 17 Jul 1994 15:49:20 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13590; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 16:15:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 16:15:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13576; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 16:15:31 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id NAA19222; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 13:15:30 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id NAA23817; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 13:15:29 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407172015.NAA23817@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: okay...linux setup hangs... To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu Date: Sun, 17 Jul 1994 13:15:29 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9407170606.AA29982@husc10.harvard.edu> from "chan4@husc.harvard.edu" at Jul 17, 94 02:06:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > Well..if you reeeeally have to take a "shift," lift the top... > :) He he he!! Just lift the lid...and my wife will be angry with me if I don't put the lid back down! ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jul 17 23:10:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17523 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 17 Jul 1994 23:10:13 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14549; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 23:05:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 23:05:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14541; Sun, 17 Jul 1994 23:05:22 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA08018 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 17 Jul 1994 22:05:05 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199407180305.AA08018@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: TP reset button To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 1994 22:05:04 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199407170737.AA25288@hk.super.net> from "Mr. Tony K Ng" at Jul 17, 94 03:37:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I just read thru the most updated TPFAQ. And stupid me > just found out that there is a reset button in my TP750C. Would that be the button in the back of your machine? Or the suspend button on the right side (but top) of your machine? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 18 16:51:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13289 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 18 Jul 1994 16:51:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14929; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 16:38:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 16:37:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from bos1g.delphi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14920; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 16:37:53 -0400 From: Received: from bix.com by delphi.com (PMDF V4.3-7 #6563) id <01HEUWXRJYGW9GXV1C@delphi.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 16:37:45 EDT Received: by bix.com (CoSy3.31.1.45) id <9407181634.memo.66813@BIX.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 16:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 16:34:27 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Linux TP750 disks To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <9407181634.memo.66813@BIX.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Cosy-To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Status: OR I have it running. If someone can volunteer an FTP site I can iupload the root and boot images already patched for the 750. I have been using Linux for the last 2 mohnths and works fine even with enet (Dlink-653) and MHZ modem (both PCMCIA). Bernardo P.S. Please email me at blam@panix.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 18 18:22:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06424 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 18 Jul 1994 18:22:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23409; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 18:06:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 18:06:08 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA23403; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 18:06:07 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id RAA12003; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 17:53:04 -0400 Message-Id: <199407182153.RAA12003@wilma.cs.utk.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: wanted: source code to talk to tp750 audio chip Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU From: Keith Moore Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 17:52:58 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Has anyone succeeded in writing code that talks directly to the tp750 audio chip? I keep wanting to listen to Internet Talk Radio and the thinkpad is the only machine I have with audio hardware... Thanks, Keith Moore From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 18 18:34:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08809 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 18 Jul 1994 18:34:47 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24884; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 18:25:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 18:25:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24856; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 18:25:07 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA00809; Mon, 18 Jul 94 16:24:19 MDT Date: Mon, 18 Jul 94 16:24:19 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9407182224.AA00809@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP360 emm386 memory range exclusion for Megahz modem Status: OR Hey, all...... I'm a new TP360 owner who is struggling with insufficient free conventional memory. As configured from the factory, my EMM386.EXE exclusion parameter looked like this: x=C800-CFFF. This seems like a pretty big chunk of upper memory, and since all I use is a Megahertz 14.4 fax/modem, I was wondering if anyone had a suggestion for reducing the size of this exclusion parameter. Is there a smaller range that I can use specifically with this modem? IBM tech support suggested using the same range which is recommended for an IBM fax/modem (x=C800-C8FF), but couldn't guarantee whether or not it would work. I'm not opposed to experimenting a little, but this trial-and-error technique that I've been using is getting me nowhere fast! BTW, I've tried using Ramboost, but without much luck. Running Ramboost with such a large exclusion parameter doesn't leave it much space in upper memory to work with. As a result, most TSR's and drivers wind up being loaded in conventional memory. If any of you TP360 owners have some advice, I'd sure appreciate it if you could share it with me. All you TP750 owners feel free to jump in as well, as I think the two machines are similar enough that the values may be interchangable. Thanks a bunch..... Karl E. Yeanoplos kyeanopl@den.mmc.com Martin Marietta Corp. Denver, CO. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 18 21:17:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06262 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 18 Jul 1994 21:17:04 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02445; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 20:55:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 20:55:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from technet1.shl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA02436; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 20:54:53 -0400 Received: from mm-gw.shl.com by technet1.shl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.8) id AA19907; Mon, 18 Jul 94 17:49:26 PDT Received: by mm-gw.shl.com with Microsoft Mail id <2E2B245B@mm-gw.shl.com>; Mon, 18 Jul 94 17:54:51 PDT From: NELSON Tim To: tp750 Subject: RE: TP360 emm386 memory range exclusion for Megahz modem Date: Mon, 18 Jul 94 17:49:00 PDT Message-Id: <2E2B245B@mm-gw.shl.com> Encoding: 68 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: OR I do the following in EMM386 to get more memory: I=E000-E5FF I can include this because this part of the IBM reserved for BIOS area is free on my TP750Ce. I also had a TP750C with the older BIOS, and I could use from E000-E6FF. Try it. The worst that can happen is you hang on startup. X=C800-C9FF I hacked this out using microsoft's diagnostics (\WINDOWS\MSD.EXE) to look for ROM, and I found that when I told SETMHZ to place the modem at address C800, it worked... even though I had physical ROM from my Roland SCC-1 card at CA00-CEFF. I send this message to you now, with WFW 3.11, IBM EZ-PLAY drivers, Megahertz XJ1144, and in my CONFIG.SYS: DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\EMM386.EXE I=E000-E5FF X=C800-C9FF ... DEVICEhigh=C:\THINKPAD\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C800-C9FF ... NOTE: The MHZ modem is the only PCMCIA device I use currently. Enjoy. Tim Nelson SHL Systemhouse Inc. ---------- From: owner-tp750 To: tp750 Subject: TP360 emm386 memory range exclusion for Megahz modem Date: Monday, July 18, 1994 4:24PM Hey, all...... I'm a new TP360 owner who is struggling with insufficient free conventional memory. As configured from the factory, my EMM386.EXE exclusion parameter looked like this: x=C800-CFFF. This seems like a pretty big chunk of upper memory, and since all I use is a Megahertz 14.4 fax/modem, I was wondering if anyone had a suggestion for reducing the size of this exclusion parameter. Is there a smaller range that I can use specifically with this modem? IBM tech support suggested using the same range which is recommended for an IBM fax/modem (x=C800-C8FF), but couldn't guarantee whether or not it would work. I'm not opposed to experimenting a little, but this trial-and-error technique that I've been using is getting me nowhere fast! BTW, I've tried using Ramboost, but without much luck. Running Ramboost with such a large exclusion parameter doesn't leave it much space in upper memory to work with. As a result, most TSR's and drivers wind up being loaded in conventional memory. If any of you TP360 owners have some advice, I'd sure appreciate it if you could share it with me. All you TP750 owners feel free to jump in as well, as I think the two machines are similar enough that the values may be interchangable. Thanks a bunch..... Karl E. Yeanoplos kyeanopl@den.mmc.com Martin Marietta Corp. Denver, CO. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 18 22:06:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15891 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 18 Jul 1994 22:06:17 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06938; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 22:04:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 22:03:59 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA06928; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 22:03:56 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA00310; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 17:56:06 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id RAA06757; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 17:56:02 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407190056.RAA06757@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: wanted: source code to talk to tp750 audio chip To: moore@CS.UTK.EDU (Keith Moore) Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 17:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199407182153.RAA12003@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "Keith Moore" at Jul 18, 94 05:52:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Has anyone succeeded in writing code that talks directly to the > tp750 audio chip? I keep wanting to listen to Internet Talk > Radio and the thinkpad is the only machine I have with audio > hardware... Huh? Tell us more about this "Internet Talk Radio"! I've never heard of such a thing! ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 19 00:32:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07982 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Jul 1994 00:32:08 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18577; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 00:22:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 00:22:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18571; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 00:22:14 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id AAA12422; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 00:09:11 -0400 Message-Id: <199407190409.AAA12422@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Randal Whittle Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU (Keith Moore), TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Subject: Re: wanted: source code to talk to tp750 audio chip In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 18 Jul 1994 17:56:01 PDT." <199407190056.RAA06757@aludra.usc.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 00:09:05 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > Huh? Tell us more about this "Internet Talk Radio"! I've never > heard of such a thing! It's a talk radio station on the Internet. They do interviews and the like, digitize the audio, and make it available for anonymous ftp from various sites. One of their programs is called Geek of the Week :) Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 19 00:45:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09380 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Jul 1994 00:45:37 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19836; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 00:46:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 00:46:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19829; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 00:45:59 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407190445.AA08874@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: Okay, I've built my TP360 kernel To: tekeian@vgi.com Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 00:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: <9407190320.AA06769@lucy.vgi.com> from "tekeian@vgi.com" at Jul 18, 94 11:20:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > > Well, I finally got Linux loaded on my Pentium and build a TP360 > kernel. I built it to a floppy (with no root system) and it booted. I > will gladly build a kernel for you if you tell me what you need. > Great! Thanks. I'm, sure a lot of people are desperate. :) > Also, have you considered how you'll load Linux onto your 750 with the > new kernel? > Yes...this is a great concern. Any ideas? That's my problem. Err...how did you load linux on your 750? Basically, I have this: Slackware 2.0.0. I have a TP750 kernel; however it seems to not boot up the machine. I think I need something else. Is it possible to create modified versions of the boot and color install disks that come with Linux? If so, maybe that'd help. Or...I just need some way of transferring Linux to my HD so that I can boot off my HD (I think that would include Lilo...). Hmm. The problem w/ the installation is that setup hangs when ever I get to the "install from another HD partition" or "install from floppy." If I install from floppy, when I insert another floppy in place of the install disk ("Insert disk A1"), the system says something to the effect of "/dev/fd0 already mounted!!!" and then the program says "Error reading device...try again?" So the Linux install program is not smart enough to know when to remount a disk. That's why I then tried installing the A disks off my other DOS partition. When this occurs, the system _reboots_. I can't figure out why it reboots. This happens EVERY time. Very frustrating. I dunno...if you're really bored , perhaps you could make some disks that would allow installation from the other disks (i.e. make a modified boot and install disk? dunno if that will work...). Or, perhaps, you could just suggest a way of installing Lilo and the kernel manually (doubtful this will work though it's worth a try). I've been documenting everything I've done so far, so if a way could be found to install Linux easily (read boot/install disks that work), then perhaps all TP750 users can remember your name for eons :). What version of slackware did you use? Maybe the newest install is not compatible with the 750??? > > Let me know if you still need a hand. Ed > Ditto. :) Good luck. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 19 01:56:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14801 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Jul 1994 01:56:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23473; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 01:51:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 01:51:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23464; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 01:51:00 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id BAA12835; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 01:37:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199407190537.BAA12835@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu Cc: tekeian@vgi.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu), moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Okay, I've built my TP360 kernel In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 19 Jul 1994 00:45:52 EDT." <9407190445.AA08874@husc7.harvard.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 01:37:48 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR When I first tried to install Linux on my tp750, it wouldn't read the floppy drive. This is because the floppy drive on the tp750 is configured differently from a normal PC. The sense of the disk change line is inverted. An unmodified Linux kernel will not be able to use the floppy drive. As for the hard disk, it should work, but at least the version of Linux I was using would not auto-detect the disk geometry. I had to hard-compile it in to my kernel (on another machine). Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 19 02:11:14 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15732 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Jul 1994 02:11:12 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24391; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 02:09:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 02:09:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA24384; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 02:09:15 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407190609.AA11134@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: Okay, I've built my TP360 kernel To: moore@CS.UTK.EDU (Keith Moore) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 02:09:14 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: <199407190537.BAA12835@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "Keith Moore" at Jul 19, 94 01:37:48 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Right...I used the kernel that you made :) (thanks!). And it starts up...but then setup doesn't work. Please see my earlier message. I dunno. Something's whacked up. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 19 02:34:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17107 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Jul 1994 02:34:34 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25243; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 02:28:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 02:28:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25235; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 02:28:03 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407190628.AA11294@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: Okay, I've built my TP360 kernel To: moore@CS.UTK.EDU (Keith Moore) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 02:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: <199407190611.CAA12893@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "Keith Moore" at Jul 19, 94 02:11:49 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR OOps....I didn't realize...darn! Ed's been talking about the 360...oops. Keith, I have a 750C 4/340. And it doesn't seem to work, even w/ the modified kernel. COuld you by any chance outline some idiot-proof steps? I read all the documentation concerning Linux install...but nothing seems to work. Why, for instance does my computer insist on rebooting shen it tries to install disks A1-A3? Could I send a talk request? (now?) Thanks. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 19 03:08:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18188 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Jul 1994 03:08:10 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29161; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 03:08:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 03:08:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29155; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 03:08:18 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id CAA12938; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 02:55:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199407190655.CAA12938@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU (Keith Moore), tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Subject: Re: Okay, I've built my TP360 kernel In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 19 Jul 1994 02:28:02 EDT." <9407190628.AA11294@husc7.harvard.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 02:55:06 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > OOps....I didn't realize...darn! Ed's been talking about the > 360...oops. Keith, I have a 750C 4/340. And it doesn't seem to work, > even w/ the modified kernel. COuld you by any chance outline some > idiot-proof steps? I don't think so. After all, I barely got it working myself, and it took me several weeks of trying different things, and I had the use of a working Linux system to build kernels. Did you try it using the boot disk from cs.utk.edu's ftp area? If so, keep in mind that that is for a very old version of Linux. Maybe there's some sort of incompatibility between that one and the programs you're trying to install. > I read all the documentation concerning Linux > install...but nothing seems to work. Why, for instance does my computer > insist on rebooting shen it tries to install disks A1-A3? I really don't know. Can you escape out of the install procedure into a shell and mount the ms-dos floppy by hand? You can try doing a talk, but different versions of talk aren't compatible with one another. Try one of the following: moore@sloth.cs.utk.edu (sun3 running sunos) moore@envy.cs.utk.edu (tp750 running netbsd) moore@avarice.cs.utk.edu (ibm rt running 4.3bsd) moore@wilma.cs.utk.edu (decstation running ultrix) (the first three are at my home (where I am now); it's probably more effecient to use one of them.) My systems are set up to use a visual bell, so if I'm not watching the screen when you try to talk, I won't know you're ringing me. Or you could pay ma bell: +1 615 281 0594 Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 19 04:11:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23782 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Jul 1994 04:11:54 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03117; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 03:49:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 03:49:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA03105; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 03:49:08 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407190749.AA12223@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: Linux-on-the-IBM-ThinkPad-750 (fwd) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 03:49:05 -0400 (EDT) Cc: moore@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Forwarded message: >From chan4@husc Sat Jul 16 01:58:17 1994 Message-Id: <9407160558.AA14973@husc.harvard.edu> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 94 01:58:12 -0400 From: chan4@husc X-Within-Url: http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/html/linux-thinkpad.html To: chan4@husc Subject: Linux-on-the-IBM-ThinkPad-750 LINUX ON THE IBM THINKPAD 750 Introduction You wil be pleased to know that Linux is quite happy on the IBM ThinkPad 750 series of notebook computers, though installation `from the box' is not possible, with the Slackware distribution at least. This short note summarizes what changes to the vanilla Linux 1.0 sources are necessary for the ThinkPad and outlines some of the configuration files' contents. Various people have reported more or less the same modifications for different ThinkPad models: my own ThinkPad is the 750C (active matrix colour) with 12 Mbyte RAM (i.e., the 8 Mbyte expansion) and 340 Mbyte hard disk, but the same modifications to get Linux running have been reported on monochrome (750M, I think) and dual-scan passive-matrix colour machines (the 750Cs) and with the 170 Mbyte hard disk. You can get a Linux 1.0 kernel with these modifications. * Some modifications are required to the floppy driver: you cannot install linux using a kernel without these modifications. * The standard hard disk driver does not determine the disk configuration from the bios: there is a one-line fix to the hard disk driver to fix this. Alternately, you can simply specify your hard disk configuration via lilo. * Versions of the kernel that pre-date v1.1 require a patch to avoid memory trashing by the power management routines. * LILO works on the ThinkPad when these mods are in place. * The X window system is certainly happy on the 750C but people have reported problems on the 750Cs. * The good news is that there is no problem with the cute little red button that replaces a conventional mouse: it just appears as a PS/2-style mouse. * There is also some information on using power management fuctionality, and on PCMCIA cards. You are advised to read all this note before fiddling with your ThinkPad's disk! Modifications to the floppy disk driver The floppy disk drive on the ThinkPad 750 supports 2.88 Mbyte disks in addition to 1.44 Mbyte disks. Because of this, IBM have sensibly allocated a new drive type to the device, namely device type 6. Unfortunately, Linux as distributed does not have support for device types 5 or 6; hence, it is necessary to make some (fortunately, fairly simple) modifications to the floppy disk driver. What makes this problem particularly pesky is that, for most people at least, the floppy disk drive is the device from which they load Linux. What needs to be done is to replicate the entries for floppy drive type 4 for types 5 and 6. (This is a sub-optimum solution: if anyone makes a better job of it, please let me know!) Additionally, the sense of the `diskette changed' bit is reversed, so that occurrences of inb(FD_DIR) & 0x80 need to be changed. Modified drivers have been announced by Keith Moore for Linux 0.99pl14 and by Daniel R Grayson for Linux 1.0. You can get a copy of the patched Linux 1.0 driver, floppy.c here: this was patched by the author based on Moore's modifications and should replace the file in /usr/src/linux/drivers/block/floppy.c (This will be available as a set of patches after my next system upgrade.) Modification to the hard disk driver Brad Pepers has discovered that the oft-mentioned problem in locating the disk geometry of ThinkPad -- and, come to that, ValuePoint -- machines is not, as had previously been thought, due to a problem in the BIOS: what is actually failing is the code that determines the number of drives from the CMOS. A one-line patch to routine of the hard disk driver corrects the problem. The hard disk driver is in the file /usr/src/linux/drivers/block/hd.c and the modification simply increments the number of hard disks if the number of cylinders of a particular drive is non-zero. The region of code concerned is if (!NR_HD) { for (drive=0 ; drive The additional line is clearly indicated by a comment. An alternative approach is to specify the disk geometry via lilo. For example, on the author's machine, which has the 340Mbyte hard disk, the line to add to t he LILO configuration file would be: APPEND = "HD=914,15,49" Modification to the memory manager Michael Steiner tells me that there is a problem in kernel s before the official v1.1 release regarding BIOS power management functions. I f you need to run an old kernel for some reason, the appropriate patch is given below. diff -r -c linux-1.0.DIST/mm/memory.c linux/mm/memory.c *** linux-1.0.DIST/mm/memory.c Wed Feb 23 17:36:51 1994 --- linux/mm/memory.c Tue Mar 8 02:29:59 1994 *************** *** 1069,1075 **** *--p = MAP_PAGE_RESERVED; start_low_mem = PAGE_ALIGN(start_low_mem); start_mem = PAGE_ALIGN(start_mem); ! while (start_low_mem Support for Advanced Power Management (APM) Michael Steiner also reports that the APM package (availab le from tsx-11.mit.edu as packages/laptops/apm/apmd.tgz at the time of writing) works "if you just ignore the reply". He also reports that the built-in suspen d/hibernate stuff works anyway (if you created one under DOS or OS/2). Inevitably, the APM driver needs patching. *** ../apmd.c Wed Apr 13 17:52:17 1994 --- ../old/apmd.c Tue Dec 7 18:37:54 1993 *************** *** 8,30 **** #include #include "asmi.h" - void apm_dettach() { - int retval; - - retval = asmi(APM_INTERFACE_DISCONNECT, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0); - if (retval) { - printf("interface disconnect: %s\n", apm_error(retval)); - exit(1); - } - } - - - /* !! inserted by sti */ void signal_exit_handler() { ! /* !! moved to newly created function apm_dettach() by sti */ ! apm_dettach(); exit(0); } --- 8,22 ---- #include #include "asmi.h" void signal_exit_handler() { ! int retval; + retval = asmi(APM_INTERFACE_DISCONNECT, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0); + if (retval) { + printf("interface disconnect: %s\n", apm_error(retval)); + exit(1); + } exit(0); } *************** *** 42,48 **** int retval; unsigned int vers, check, flags; unsigned int event; ! if (iopl (3) Using PCMCIA devices Bernardo Lam /CODE>; reported on 4-Jul-1994: "I have had good e xperience with the MHz 14.4 PCMCIA modem and the Dlink DE650 ENET PCMCIA, they work flawlessly". Bernardo apparently uses the generic PCMCIAD kernel driver fr om tsx-11.mit.edu and is currently running Linux 1.08. Additional goodies Keith Moore has also written a driver for IBM's PCMCIA Ether net card. He says of it in his README: "This is a device driver I wrote for Linux (pl13) and IBM's Credit Card Adapter for Ethernet. It assumes that your system uses the Intel 82365 PCMCIA controll er, or a compatible chip, to interface between the system bus and the PCMCIA ca rds. "The IBM documentation for this card is thoroughly brain-damaged. It leaves out a number of important details and gets some things wrong. For instance, it say s that all of the registers that deal with the Remote DMA mode are reserved, bu t inside it just uses an ordinary NS83902 chip (ST-NIC) (this according to an u nnamed source at IBM). Anyway, remote dma mode worked just fine for me. Your mi leage may vary. "Other things that you might need to know about this card if you are writing yo ur own driver for it or for a different system: * The 16K shared-memory buffer is at offset 0x4000 on the card's address space. That means that, to the ST-NIC chip, the first page of memory is 0x40, not 0x00. * The PCMCIA Configuration Index needs to be set to any nonzero value, and it appears that you need to enable level interrupts rather than edge triggered interrupts. So the Configuration and Option Register needs to be set to 0x41. * The Ethernet address of the card is stored in attribute memory at offset 0xff0, and every other byte thereafter. "This driver would probably work on the Linksys card also, except that its conf iguration registers are at offset 0x8 in attribute memory, and the IBM card's r egisters are at offset 0x20000. This information could be obtained by parsing t he card information structure's tuples. It might be that this technique would w ork for any Ethernet PCMCIA card." I am on the point of trying the driver myself -- you can get a copy of it in a tar-file from here. Using LILO Perhaps the best way to show a possible LILO configuration for the ThinkPad is to describe my own. I have configured my machine to have three partitions: /dev/hda1 This is an 80 Mbyte DOS partition which I never seem to use these days. :-) /dev/hda2 This is a 16-Mbyte swap partition for Linux. (I do image processing on my ThinkPad, so I need lots of swap.) /dev/hda3 The main Linux partition, about 250 Mbytes. My fairly _de luxe_ system with TeX, X, gcc, etc occupies about 90 Mbytes. The LILO configuration file, /etc/lilo.conf is as follows: boot=/dev/hda image = /zImage label = lin-hd ramdisk = 0 root=/dev/hda3 vga = normal other = /dev/hda1 label = dos table=/dev/hda Linux is booted from the hard disk by default but, by holding the shift key dow n while booting, one can elect to boot DOS by typing `dos' at the resulting pro mpt. It is also possible to tell LILO the geometry of the hard disk, which avoids ha ving to patch the hard disk driver. Configuring X for the ThinkPad Unfortunately, things do not seem to be identical on all ThinkPad screen types. X CONFIGURATION FOR THE 750C The following X configuration file works fine on the LCD screen of my 750C: I h aven't tried it on an external monitor. It is said that, to be able to drive an external monitor via the VGA port on the back of the ThinkPad, you must switch to it from DOS before booting Linux. RGBPath "/usr/X386/lib/X11/rgb" FontPath "/usr/X386/lib/fonts/misc/" # FontPath "/usr/X386/lib/fonts/Speedo/" FontPath "/usr/X386/lib/fonts/75dpi/" # FontPath "/usr/X386/lib/fonts/Type1/" # FontPath "/usr/X386/lib/fonts/100dpi/" Keyboard AutoRepeat 500 5 ps/2 "/dev/mouse" Emulate3Buttons VGA256 Virtual 1024 768 ViewPort 0 0 Modes "1024x768" Modes "640x480" Chipset "wd90c30" # Clocks 28.30 # wd90c00, wd90c10, wd90c30, wd90c31 wd90c20 # vga256 # Clocks 25 28 32 36 40 45 50 60 65 # ChipSet "WD90C30" # Modes "640x480-25" VGA16 Virtual 800 600 Viewport 0 0 Modes "640x480" Chipset "generic" # Clocks 30 30 0 30 VGA2 Virtual 1024 768 ViewPort 0 0 Modes "640x480" # Modes "1024x768" Chipset "wd90c20" Clocks 28.30 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 36 ModeDB # name clock horizontal timing vertical timing flags "640x480-25" 25 640 680 720 864 480 488 491 521 #"640x480" 28 640 680 720 864 480 488 491 521 "640x480" 28.3 640 672 768 800 480 490 492 525 "1024x768" 65 1024 1032 1176 1344 768 771 777 806 -hsync -vsync X CONFIGURATION FOR THE 750CS Michael Steiner has also done some work on getting X to wo rk on the 750cs, with some success. The standard X86_SVGA X server does not wor k on the 750Cs: everything comes out double! He has found some of the reasons a nd fixed them; here are the patches. *** lib/Server/drivers/vga256/pvga1/driver.c Wed Jun 22 15:49:40 1994 --- lib/Server/drivers/vga256/pvga1/driver.c.orig Tue Jun 7 23:03:36 199 4 *************** *** 134,142 **** #define IS_WD90C3X(x) (((x) == WD90C30) || ((x) == WD90C31)) ! /*!! commented by sti */ ! /* #undef DO_WD90C20 */ ! #define DO_WD90C20 static unsigned PVGA1_ExtPorts[] = { /* extra ports for WD90C31 */ 0x23C0, 0x23C1, 0x23C2, 0x23C3, 0x23C4, 0x23C5 }; --- 134,140 ---- #define IS_WD90C3X(x) (((x) == WD90C30) || ((x) == WD90C31)) ! #undef DO_WD90C20 static unsigned PVGA1_ExtPorts[] = { /* extra ports for WD90C31 */ 0x23C0, 0x23C1, 0x23C2, 0x23C3, 0x23C4, 0x23C5 }; *************** *** 383,400 **** if (!vga256InfoRec.videoRam) { unsigned char config; ! #ifdef DUAL_SCAN ! /* check if we have a dual-scan LCD */ ! outb(vgaIOBase + 4, 0x31); ! if ((inb(vgaIOBase + 5) & 0x3) == 0) { ! /* clear bit 6 to disable upper 512k The remaining 512Kbytes ! of video memory are not disabled by clearing the bit, but it ! is actually used as a shadow of first 512Kbyte */ ! outb(0x3CE, 0x0B); config = inb(0x3CF); ! outb(0x3CE, 0x0B); outb(0x3CF, config & 0xAF); ! outb(0x3CE, 0x0B); config = inb(0x3CF); ! } ! #endif switch(config & 0xC0) { case 0x00: case 0x40: --- 381,388 ---- if (!vga256InfoRec.videoRam) { unsigned char config; ! outb(0x3CE, 0x0B); config = inb(0x3CF); ! switch(config & 0xC0) { case 0x00: case 0x40: However, some problems still remain: for example, when switching to or from oth er virtual terminals, the screen is occasionally messed up. Putting the machine into suspend mode for a short while cures this, but Michael is working on a so lution. The vanilla XF86_VGA16 driver apparently suffers from the same problem. In Conclusion Although Linux itself works fine on the ThinkPad and X is happy on at least som e of the machines, there are things that are still not supported: these include sound support, utilization of the power management facilities, and drivers for the other PCMCIA cards. If you come up with solutions to these problems -- exp ecially a driver for IBM's Ethernet PCMCIA card or support for sound -- please let the author know and he will incorporate details of them into this note. Oh: if anyone figures out a way of using xmodmap (or anything else) to intercha nge the Ctrl and Caps lock keys, please let me know too! Adrian F. Clark alien@essex.ac.uk 8-Jul-1994 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 19 05:50:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08448 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Jul 1994 05:50:51 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14960; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 05:28:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 05:28:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from MIT.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA14952; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 05:28:11 -0400 From: Received: from SUM3.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA14139; Tue, 19 Jul 94 05:28:09 EDT Received: by sum3.MIT.EDU (5.61/4.7) id AA08974; Tue, 19 Jul 94 05:28:23 -0400 Message-Id: <9407190928.AA08974@sum3.MIT.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: xmodmap and X on thinkpad Date: Tue, 19 Jul 94 05:28:19 EDT Status: OR Adrian F. Clark (alien@essex.ac.uk) wrote: > Oh: if anyone figures out a way of using xmodmap (or anything else) to > intercha nge the Ctrl and Caps lock keys, please let me know too! Well, I have a ThinkPad 500 that I'm going to install Linux on this week, and one of my main reasons to install X with it would be just to be able to make this key switch. I'm not sure if by your question you mean that you've already tried the standard way of doing it through xmodmap and that doesn't work, or what? If this is so, then I'm distressed. If you are just looking for how to do it on any X windows system, below is the file that give to xmodmap to make the switch, and it has always worked fine for me on the various workstations I've used. Have you already tried this? Tom Green tmgreen@mit.edu P.S. If anyone out there has installed Linux on a TP500 I'd be curious to know if you have any crucial advice to give me before I try to tackle it alone. ----cut-----------------cut------------------cut-------------------- ! ! Swap Caps_Lock and Control_L ! remove Lock = Caps_Lock remove Control = Control_L keysym Control_L = Caps_Lock keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L add Lock = Caps_Lock add Control = Control_L From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 19 10:04:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09637 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:03:58 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08957; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:01:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:01:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08947; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:01:11 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407191401.AA28530@husc.harvard.edu> Received: by unknown (1.37.109.10G/16.2) id AA034026457; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:00:58 -0400 Subject: Poll: Should linux discussion be moved off the list? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:00:57 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Hi. There's been a point raised by a user of this list that the linux discussion should be moved to email only. I was under the impression that a lot of people here wanted to know about linux. If this is not so, please email me back. Well, actually, please email me back if you are also in favor of keeping this discussion on the list. I was hoping that others could chip in info. Okay, well...mail in those votes! -- Derek (bracing for his mail spool filling up...) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 19 10:18:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14029 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:18:39 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10461; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:16:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:16:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10453; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:16:46 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407191416.AA01052@husc.harvard.edu> Received: by unknown (1.37.109.10G/16.2) id AA035107392; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:16:32 -0400 Subject: Addendum to Linux Poll To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:16:32 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR By the way, please write in the subject line: Linux Poll: YES or Linux Poll: NO That's all you have to do. Thanks. BTW...please don't email the poll to the list :). From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 19 11:02:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26665 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:02:05 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16641; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:06:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:06:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16628; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:06:28 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA27089; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 08:06:02 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id IAA19335; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 08:06:00 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407191506.IAA19335@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: wanted: source code to talk to tp750 audio chip To: moore@CS.UTK.EDU (Keith Moore) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 08:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199407190409.AAA12422@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "Keith Moore" at Jul 19, 94 00:09:05 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > Huh? Tell us more about this "Internet Talk Radio"! I've never > > heard of such a thing! > > It's a talk radio station on the Internet. They do interviews and the > like, digitize the audio, and make it available for anonymous ftp from > various sites. One of their programs is called Geek of the Week :) > > Keith "Station" on the Internet? I presume that it is not "live" then? Where does one FTP this digitized audio and in what format is it? ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 19 11:19:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02055 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:19:34 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16631; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:06:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:06:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16622; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:06:25 -0400 Received: (from wilson@localhost) by rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.6) id LAA19876; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:06:11 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:06:11 -0400 From: "Wilson J. Chan" Message-Id: <199407191506.LAA19876@rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU> To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: 's message of Tue, 19 Jul 1994 10:00:57 -0400 (EDT) <9407191401.AA28530@husc.harvard.edu> Subject: Poll: Should linux discussion be moved off the list? Reply-To: wilson@hing.lcs.mit.edu Address: 545 Technology Square, Room 626, Cambridge, MA 02139 Status: OR Office Phone: (617) 253-6028 Fax: (617) 253-7359 Home Phone: (617) 621-0232 My point was that some of us don't want to know every single detail of what's going on with your installation. Maybe a summary after you get it to work would be nice. --wilson From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 19 14:24:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29561 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Jul 1994 14:24:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28394; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 13:38:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 13:38:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA28380; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 13:38:05 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id NAA13673; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 13:25:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199407191725.NAA13673@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: wilson@hing.lcs.mit.edu Cc: chan4@husc.harvard.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu, moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Poll: Should linux discussion be moved off the list? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:06:11 EDT." <199407191506.LAA19876@rigel.LCS.MIT.EDU> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 13:24:55 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Status: OR > My point was that some of us don't want to know every single detail > of what's going on with your installation. Maybe a summary after you > get it to work would be nice. I think that's reasonable. For my part, I apologize for several of the messages that I sent last night that got accidentally copied to the list. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 19 14:55:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09702 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Jul 1994 14:55:50 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06256; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 14:43:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 14:43:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA06242; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 14:43:51 -0400 Received: by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id LAA15136; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:43:37 -0700 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 11:43:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Hosmer Subject: Re: Hello everyone! To: Thomas Malaby Cc: Thinkpad List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR It sounds like you need to visit Radio Shack and buy a set of aligator clips. I have found that this is a great thing to carry as a part of any international "must" bag. shosmer@netcom.com On Wed, 13 Jul 1994, Thomas Malaby wrote: > > I'm very glad to hear of this mailing list, especially because I'm > pressed for time trying to find some answers before I leave the country > on dissertation research (with my trusty TP360cs in hand). Actually, my > TP360cs is not here yet, but I nonetheless have one question I hope > someone can help me with. I'm going to buy a 14.4 PCMCIA faxmodem to > access an email account and I'm looking for recommendations (ideally > around $200). The difficulty is that I'm going to be using the modem in > Greece, which is almost entirely without phonejacks of any kind. Any > advice (either on the modem itself or what I'll need to access the > phonelines)? > > Thanks in advance for any help. You can email me directly or just post to > the list. > > Thomas Malaby -- malaby@husc.harvard.edu > Department of Anthropology, Harvard University > "The plate of the hunter, the gambler, and the fisherman > is nine times empty and one time full." --Cretan Proverb > > > From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Tue Jul 19 15:26:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20352 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Jul 1994 15:26:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27734; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 13:28:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 13:27:53 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from technet1.shl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27700; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 13:27:46 -0400 Received: from mm-gw.shl.com by technet1.shl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.8) id AA11474; Tue, 19 Jul 94 10:22:41 PDT Received: by mm-gw.shl.com with Microsoft Mail id <2E2C0D33@mm-gw.shl.com>; Tue, 19 Jul 94 10:28:19 PDT From: NELSON Tim To: "TP750@CS.UTK.EDU" Subject: FW: faxing and the 750 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 94 10:21:00 PDT Message-Id: <2E2C0D33@mm-gw.shl.com> Encoding: 36 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: OR John Finlay had not been able to send or receive FAXes on his TP750 with a MHZ XJ1144 for the last 6 months. He tried BitFax, Ecllipse Fax, and WinFAX Pro. He removed FUELDOS, FUELWIN, Screen Savers, and turned all power management off. He installed EZ-Play drivers, as each new release was available. He even replaced the modem. Nothing helped... Until... Attached is the bizzare conclusion. Tim Nelson SHL Systemhouse Inc. ---------- From: FINLAY John (SHINET01) Subject: faxing and the 750 Date: Tuesday, July 19, 1994 11:03AM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Now REALLY after 6 months and $200 in long distance calls, I've REALLY found the problem with my faxmodem. Don't put "doskey.com" in your autoexec. Even if it's a nice thing to have. It will make it impossible to send or receive faxes. I don't know why. And who knows what other effects it has. beware. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 19 21:22:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13327 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Jul 1994 21:22:17 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08099; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 21:25:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 21:25:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA08084; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 21:25:05 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA11023; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 18:21:54 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 18:25:38 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <66338.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Fw: IBM FTP Site for 750 BIOS/Util disks Status: OR I got this message in response to my queries about an ftp site: ------------------------------ From: mlaye@VNET.IBM.COM Fri, 15 Jul 94 11:27:42 EDT To: jokim Subject: IBM FTP Site for 750 BIOS/Util disks John, A note was passed to me from Michael Graff concerning an IBM sponosored FTP site for Thinkpad utility disks and BIOS updates. I've spoken to one of the people in charge of Electronic Support Strategy here in the HelpCenter in Raleigh, NC. He told me that we are in the process of building an FTP server which should mirror closely the files on our PC Company BBS (919) 517-0001. His target for having the server on-line is within the next month. We don't have the address of the site yet, when it becomes available I will forward it to you at this ID. If you have any questions, you can respond to me at MLAYE@VNET.IBM.COM, or (919) 517-0909. Mike IBM RTP, 3039 Cornwallis Road, Building 203/FF105, RTP, NC, 27709. MLAYE@VNET.IBM.COM (MLAYE)RALVM8 (919) 517-0909 Fax (919) 517-1229 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "There are so many microwave units outside the building, if you threw a turkey up in the air it would be cooked before it hit the ground." - L.A. city Councilwoman Jackie Goldberg, on the number of TV-remote trucks, which send signals on microwave, outside the courthouse where the Simpson hearing was held ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 19 21:50:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18188 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 19 Jul 1994 21:50:44 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11284; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 21:59:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 21:59:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA11275; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 21:59:19 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA11117; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 18:56:11 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 18:59:59 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <68399.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: AT&T KIT modem for sale Status: OR I've got a slightly used AT&T Keep In Touch 14.4kbps PCMCIA fax/modem for sale. It comes with DOS drivers, fax/modem software for DOS and Windows, 16550 UART emulation, trial Prodigy subscription, and maybe some other stuff I'm forgetting. It is not yet registered with AT&T. Sparco (where I bought it from) says it comes with a lifetime warranty. I can give the purchaser the original purchase receipt. Sparco sells it for $276 (as of July 7) so I figure $200 is a reasonable price. Why am I selling it? I broke the LAM (thing that plugs into the modem and lets you plug in a phone line) and AT&T was backordered for two months on the LAMs so I had to buy a new modem to carry me over. The new LAM has gotten here so now I have to get rid of a modem. The modem is used but the LAM is new. :) Guaranteed against DOA, COD only please. Send bids to: jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 20 00:32:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10584 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 20 Jul 1994 00:32:44 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25505; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 00:37:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 00:37:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA25498; Wed, 20 Jul 1994 00:37:15 -0400 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA11146; Tue, 19 Jul 94 21:36:54 PDT Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA02331; Tue, 19 Jul 94 21:38:02 PDT Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA16151; Tue, 19 Jul 1994 21:36:50 +0800 Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 21:36:50 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9407200436.AA16151@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tnelson@shl.com Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: FW: faxing and the 750 In-Reply-To: <2E2C0D33@mm-gw.shl.com> References: <2E2C0D33@mm-gw.shl.com> Status: OR I use DOSKEY all the time. Never run without it. I've never had any problems with sending or receiving FAXes. DOS 6.1 & 6.3, WfWG 3.11 (with MS serial driver and also the winfax driver) WinFAX Pro, Megahertz XJ1144, full power management, etc. TP750C. It's good that he solved his problem and that he can point to DOSKEY as the culprit, but that doesn't mean it's always the culprit, 'cuz I sure don't have problems with it. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 21 10:36:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15924 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 21 Jul 1994 10:36:45 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04779; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 10:47:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 10:47:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04772; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 10:47:52 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407211447.AA05391@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: err...sorry..addendum #2 to linux poll...(stupid me) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 10:47:50 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Hi all! Sorry about this, but I was stupid enough not to indicate whether "LINUX: YES" meant "yes, keep it on the list" or "no, move it to a separate list." (Stupid, stupid, stupid...heh heh) So..I know that this will be a hassle, but could everyone plese reply to this message again? Only, this time, a YES vote means that linux discussion should be KEPT ON the list. A NO vote means it should NOT be KEPT ON the list. Thanks all. Also, sorry for the inconvenience. -- Derek P.S. Don't forget to respond directly to me and not the whole mailing list :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 21 13:01:14 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28214 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 21 Jul 1994 13:01:11 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17208; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 12:59:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 12:59:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17196; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 12:58:44 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id MAA16617; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 12:45:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199407211645.MAA16617@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu), moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: err...sorry..addendum #2 to linux poll...(stupid me) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 21 Jul 1994 10:47:50 EDT." <9407211447.AA05391@husc7.harvard.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 12:45:31 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR I don't understand why the poll is being taken. It seems silly to be to restrict the list to discussion to proprietary operating systems. (Speaking as someone who doesn't run either DOS or Windows or OS/2 on his thinkpad...) I think it should be fine to ask general questions about anything having to do with the thinkpads, and to answer such questions, on the list. On the other hand, once the conversation has started, any discussion which is not of general interest to the list should be moved to private email. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 21 14:49:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03357 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 21 Jul 1994 14:49:45 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26522; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 14:53:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 14:53:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26500; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 14:53:05 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA03997; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 11:49:42 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 11:53:39 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <42819.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: err...sorry..addendum #2 to linux poll...(stupid me) Status: OR In message Thu, 21 Jul 1994 10:47:50 -0400 (EDT), writes: > Hi all! Sorry about this, but I was stupid enough not to indicate whether > "LINUX: YES" meant "yes, keep it on the list" or "no, move it to a > separate list." (Stupid, stupid, stupid...heh heh) So..I know that this Is it just me or does the whole idea of voting on this seem rather silly? I mean if you take Linux discussion off the list, logically you can then take OS/2-specific discussion, off, then maybe Windows. Then you figure not everyone has an ethernet card so take that off. Then not everyone has a modem so get rid of that. Not everyone is interested in a hard drive or memory upgrade so nix those. etc. etc. If we make sure we cut down on quoted text, make only relevant posts (don't everyone write an essay describing every step you've taken trying to get Linux running), use descriptive subject headings, and move the discussion to email when it starts getting away from general interest, this shouldn't be a problem. Obviously I vote YES to keep it on the list. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 21 14:50:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03537 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 21 Jul 1994 14:50:17 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26521; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 14:53:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 14:53:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26501; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 14:53:09 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA04000; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 11:49:46 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 11:53:47 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <42828.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Should we try for a newsgroup? Status: OR The activity on comp.sys.laptops indicates at least several TP500 and TP3x0 owners are talking about starting up their own mailing lists. A TP500 FAQ has already been made. What say we start talking about making a Thinkpad newsgroup? How many people do we have on this mailing list? Is there someone willing to handle the discussion and all? (I'm moving next month so I'll be tied up) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 21 18:22:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03101 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 21 Jul 1994 18:22:50 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18613; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 18:37:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 18:37:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18607; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 18:37:46 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id SAA17013; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 18:24:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199407212224.SAA17013@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Should we try for a newsgroup? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 21 Jul 1994 11:53:47 -0800." <42828.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 18:24:35 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR To answer one of your questions, there are currently 176 people on the tp750 mailing list. Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 21 19:34:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14183 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 21 Jul 1994 19:34:39 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23317; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 19:57:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 19:57:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA23307; Thu, 21 Jul 1994 19:57:29 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA13747; Thu, 21 Jul 94 19:57:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 94 19:57:15 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9407212357.AA13747@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu, jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: err...sorry..addendum #2 to linux poll...(stupid me) Status: OR I also vote YES to keep it on the list From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 01:41:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06837 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 01:41:03 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20684; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 02:03:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 02:03:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20676; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 02:03:16 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA06423 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 02:02:49 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA07255; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 01:59:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 01:59:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: IBM Gopher and FTP sites! To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Here are some sites of interest: GOPHER: gopher.ibmlink.ibm.com (lots of stuff) FTP: pcdos.bocaraton.ibm.com (offers PCDOS 6.3 upgrade from 6.1) GOPHER: isaac.engr.washington.edu (complete current product announcements from IBM) Note the FTP site ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com has not had any new product announcements added to it since December 1993. Also for some reason the PCDOS site is not setup properly since the directories and files are hidden and you have to guess what they are called. Joshua Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 02:32:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10001 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 02:32:10 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23251; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 02:45:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 02:45:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jarthur.cs.hmc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA23239; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 02:45:08 -0400 From: Message-Id: <199407220645.CAA23239@CS.UTK.EDU> To: graff@vnet.ibm.com Subject: Re: ibm750 Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops In-Reply-To: <19940721.164333.8@almaden.ibm.com> References: <12f.936.295.0N4DFE43@netline.co.za> Organization: Harvey Mudd College, Claremont CA Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 21 Jul 94 23:03:10 PDT Sender: jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu Status: OR Thanks for the answer. I'm forwarding this to the TP750 mailing list since a couple folks are really mad at IBM that their $3000 machine has a 16450. It makes sense if it's a 486SL limitation. In article <19940721.164333.8@almaden.ibm.com> writes: >In <30mbrq$ij@jaws.cs.hmc.edu> John H. Kim writes: > >>The TP750's built-in serial port emulates a 16450 (you'd think in a >>machine that costs $3000+ they'd pitch in the extra $10 for a 16550). > >Notebook computers generally don't have a separate UART. (No room for >one.) The UART is emulated within one of the support chips. Since >the ThinkPad 750 has an Intel 486SL, it uses the Intel SL chipset, and >that chipset emulates the 16450. Probably all Intel 486SL notebooks >have this restriction since they probably all use the same Intel SL >chipset. > >If it's any consolation, the 755 and 360 use a newer chipset that does >emulate the 16550. > >...Michael Graff -- John H. Kim | (This space to be filled when I think of jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu | something clever to use as a disclaimer) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 03:16:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12391 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 03:16:14 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27638; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 03:37:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 03:36:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27611; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 03:36:52 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id DAA17961; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 03:23:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199407220723.DAA17961@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Joshua Hosseinoff Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Gopher and FTP sites! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 22 Jul 1994 01:59:20 EDT." Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 03:23:41 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > Here are some sites of interest: [...] > FTP: pcdos.bocaraton.ibm.com (offers PCDOS 6.3 upgrade from 6.1) [...] > Also for some reason the PCDOS site is not setup properly since the > directories and files are hidden and you have to guess what they are called. It turns out that the "ls" command in FTP works, but the "dir" command does not. It appears that they've botched their ftp server setup by omitting ~ftp/bin/ls. I sent them some mail about it... Keithk From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 04:51:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29269 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 04:51:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03963; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 04:47:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 04:47:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA03955; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 04:47:34 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA13497 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 03:47:15 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199407220847.AA13497@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: The place of Linux To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 03:47:14 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <42819.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Jul 21, 94 11:53:25 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Is it just me or does the whole idea of voting on this seem rather silly? > I mean if you take Linux discussion off the list, logically you can then I agree with Keith and John. To take the Linux discussion away is rather silly, but then again too much technical details can be overwhelming to us non-UNIX hackers. So I suggest a cease-vote and just post updates to what is going on as well as any posts that needs to be answered or may interest the group. I think most of our best judgments is adequate enough to keep things under lock and key. Any disagreements? No, good. :) Let's get back to Thinkpads! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 07:22:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05870 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 07:22:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19668; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 07:39:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 07:39:23 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA19661; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 07:39:21 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407221139.AA00761@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: Should we try for a newsgroup? To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 07:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: <42828.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Jul 21, 94 11:53:47 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Hmmm...sure I think we should create a newsgroup. This would also allow people to have killfiles for subjects that don't interest them. Hmmm...I'd offer to start the ball rolling, but I'm not sure how to do this at all. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 09:38:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25764 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 09:38:40 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03248; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 09:53:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 09:53:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03237; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 09:53:37 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id GAA28164; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 06:53:32 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id GAA14002; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 06:53:26 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407221353.GAA14002@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: IBM Gopher and FTP sites! To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu (Joshua Hosseinoff) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 06:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Joshua Hosseinoff" at Jul 22, 94 01:59:20 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > Here are some sites of interest: > > GOPHER: gopher.ibmlink.ibm.com (lots of stuff) > FTP: pcdos.bocaraton.ibm.com (offers PCDOS 6.3 upgrade from 6.1) > GOPHER: isaac.engr.washington.edu (complete current product > announcements from IBM) > > Note the FTP site ibminet.awdpa.ibm.com has not had any new product > announcements added to it since December 1993. > Also for some reason the PCDOS site is not setup properly since the > directories and files are hidden and you have to guess what they are called. Umm...Josh--if you happen to *know* about the PCDOS site, then would you happen to know what this hidden path and directories are? Thanks! > Joshua Hosseinoff ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 09:48:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28077 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 09:48:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03830; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 09:57:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 09:57:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03819; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 09:57:21 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA13554 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 09:57:15 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA07366; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 09:53:44 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 09:53:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: Re: IBM Gopher and FTP sites! To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP In-Reply-To: <199407221353.GAA14002@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Fri, 22 Jul 1994, Randal Whittle wrote: > > FTP: pcdos.bocaraton.ibm.com (offers PCDOS 6.3 upgrade from 6.1) > > Umm...Josh--if you happen to *know* about the PCDOS site, then > would you happen to know what this hidden path and directories are? > Thanks! > > Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu Someone else pointed it out before that you have to use just ls since when they set up the FTP site they didn't put the ls program in /bin. in any event the directory for Americans is /PCDOS613/US_ENGLISH Then just set the transfer mode to binary and do mget *. Josh Hosseinoff ----- hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 10:01:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01396 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 10:01:55 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04890; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 10:06:42 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 10:06:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04882; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 10:06:37 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA14035 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 10:06:35 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24331; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 10:03:04 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 10:03:04 -0400 From: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu (Joshua Hosseinoff) Message-Id: <9407221403.AA24331@yu1.yu.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: High prices of IBM add-ons Status: OR If all of you 750 users are bitching because of the outrageous prices that big blue charges for things like the docking stations, and batteries, and hard drive upgrades, then you can stop worrying. Just wait until one year after your model is discontinued and then IBM will have a special promotion to get rid of all the stuff they have gathering dust because no one buys it at their arm and a leg prices! I know because this is just what IBM has done now with the options for the thinkpad 700/720. Just as an example: the 3550-002 docking station which used to go for $459 is now $199, and the SLC2-50 CPU upgrade for the 700 which used to go for ~$550 is now $99. So don't worry, just wait till your machine is obsolete :) P.S. Lets get the thinkpad newsgroup started already! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 12:37:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13957 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 12:37:20 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18017; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 12:13:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 12:12:59 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from VAXC.HOFSTRA.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17993; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 12:12:30 -0400 Received: from clark.hofstra.edu by vaxc.hofstra.edu (PMDF V4.2-11 #3680) id <01HF08TZFREOA3CS3P@vaxc.hofstra.edu>; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 12:12:17 EDT Received: by clark.hofstra.edu (931110.SGI) id AA12748; Fri, 22 Jul 94 12:10:45 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 12:10:45 -0400 (EST) From: Kendall Chenoweth Subject: Re: IBM Gopher and FTP sites! In-Reply-To: <199407220723.DAA17961@wilma.cs.utk.edu> To: Keith Moore Cc: Joshua Hosseinoff , tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR try using ftp> prompt ftp> mget * and you'll see what the files/directories are Kendall Chenoweth, UNIX Coordinator, 516/463-6134, 925-0711 Academic Computing, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY 11550 "Listen very carefully... I shall say this only once..." Michelle from the Resistance, 'Allo 'Allo From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 14:16:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09972 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 14:16:19 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26218; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 13:53:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 13:53:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26188; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 13:52:51 -0400 Received: by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id KAA15133; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 10:53:06 -0700 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 10:53:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Arie Litman Subject: Re: Should we try for a newsgroup? To: chan4@husc.harvard.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9407221139.AA00761@husc7.harvard.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Please! let convert this list to a newsgroup... my mail is full as it is.... Newsgroups are more accesible, and more convenient... Arie Litman voice (408)441-1166 x4411 FAX x**4411 Litman@netcom.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- On Fri, 22 Jul 1994 chan4@husc.harvard.edu wrote: > Hmmm...sure I think we should create a newsgroup. This would also allow > people to have killfiles for subjects that don't interest them. > Hmmm...I'd offer to start the ball rolling, but I'm not sure how to do > this at all. > > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 14:40:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16476 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 14:39:52 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23094; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 13:08:46 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 13:08:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from VAXC.HOFSTRA.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23069; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 13:08:31 -0400 Received: from baskett.hofstra.edu by vaxc.hofstra.edu (PMDF V4.2-11 #3680) id <01HF0ARJYA0GA3CSET@vaxc.hofstra.edu>; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 13:07:35 EDT Received: by baskett.hofstra.edu (931110.SGI) id AA17239; Fri, 22 Jul 94 13:06:08 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 13:06:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Kendall Chenoweth Subject: Re: IBM Gopher and FTP sites! In-Reply-To: <9407221658.AA18869@opus.objy.com> To: bruce@objy.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR > > > > try using > > ftp> prompt > > ftp> mget * > > > > and you'll see what the files/directories are > > Unless they have some bizarre ftp server, my understanding > of 'mget' is that it will GET all of the files, not merely list > them. this is true, but it is the *only* i can athink of to get a true directory without "ls" and there isn't much there so you'll end up with very little.. you will only get files in teh current dictory and you'll get errors on the directories (thus you'll know their names!) it's a hack.. but it works.. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 15:22:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27934 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 15:22:47 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22289; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 13:00:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 13:00:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22273; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 13:00:50 -0400 From: Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQwzrg03993; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 13:00:16 -0400 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29672; Fri, 22 Jul 94 09:51:05 PDT Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA28841; Fri, 22 Jul 94 10:00:50 PDT Received: from localhost by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18869; Fri, 22 Jul 94 09:58:27 PDT Message-Id: <9407221658.AA18869@opus.objy.com> To: Kendall Chenoweth Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Gopher and FTP sites! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 22 Jul 94 12:10:45 EDT." X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4 6/24/94 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 94 09:58:27 -0700 Status: OR > > try using > ftp> prompt > ftp> mget * > > and you'll see what the files/directories are Unless they have some bizarre ftp server, my understanding of 'mget' is that it will GET all of the files, not merely list them. ============================================================================ Bruce Reed bruce@objy.com | "Two of the most famous products Objectivity Inc. (MIME spoken here) | of Berkley are LSD and Unix. I Mountain View, CA | don't think that is a coincidence." From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 16:02:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08372 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:02:45 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03727; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:14:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:14:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from fire.ml.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03720; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:14:21 -0400 Received: from ml.com ([146.125.4.24]) by fire.ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with ESMTP id QAA05119 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:13:36 -0400 Received: from gedny07.gedny.ml.com (gedny07.gedny.ml.com [146.125.9.7]) by ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with SMTP id QAA20452 for ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:12:12 -0400 Received: from gedny29.gedny by gedny07.gedny.ml.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13098; Fri, 22 Jul 94 16:13:12 EDT Date: Fri, 22 Jul 94 16:13:12 EDT From: chetal@gedny.ml.com (Pradeep Chetal) Message-Id: <9407222013.AA13098@gedny07.gedny.ml.com> Received: by gedny29.gedny (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA13266; Fri, 22 Jul 94 16:13:10 EDT To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Expanding logical disk without erasing? Status: OR Hi, I partitioned my TP750Ce's 340MB disk so that it has 120 MB (240 MB compressed for DOS) and 220 MB which I thought will use for Linux. However, I Might get another PC for Linux. So I would like to expand TP750 disk to be used as C: disk. Is it possible w/o erasing everything on it already? I do not want to call the 2nd disk as a D: or something else. I rather keep it simple C:. In adddition, what does 486 SL-Enhanced DX2-50 mean? The Thinkpad crawls on every application I run - like Mathematics, Lotus, etc. How can I make it faster? Thanks, /Pradeep From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 16:07:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09555 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:06:57 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03664; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:12:42 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:12:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03658; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:12:38 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id PAA19001; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 15:59:27 -0400 Message-Id: <199407221959.PAA19001@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Kendall Chenoweth Cc: bruce@objy.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: IBM Gopher and FTP sites! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 22 Jul 1994 13:06:06 EDT." Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 15:59:21 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR > this is true, but it is the *only* i can athink of to get a true > directory without "ls" and there isn't much there so you'll end up with > very little.. you will only get files in teh current dictory and you'll > get errors on the directories (thus you'll know their names!) Actually, the "ls" command at your ftp client will work. It's the "dir" command that won't work. (on the other end, "ls" is often implemented directly by the ftp server, but "dir" runs "/bin/ls -l". Since the anonymous ftp session has its root directory set to the top of the ftp tree, there has to be a copy of ls in ~ftp/bin/ls for the "dir" command to work.) Keith From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Fri Jul 22 16:57:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22319 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:57:20 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29398; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 14:59:55 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 14:59:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29389; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 14:59:43 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id OAA18926; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 14:46:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199407221846.OAA18926@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Arie Litman Cc: chan4@husc.harvard.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu, moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Should we try for a newsgroup? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 22 Jul 1994 10:53:04 PDT." Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 14:46:30 -0400 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu Status: OR > Please! let convert this list to a newsgroup... my mail is full as it is... > Newsgroups are more accesible, and more convenient... That's odd. I find electronic mail far more convenient than netnews. Of course, my incoming mail is sorted into folders automagically. The main reason for moving this to a newsgroup should be to bring the discussion to a wider audience. The drawback is that newsgroups typically have a much lower signal-to-noise ratio than we've seen on this list (yes, even with all of the Linux traffic). Keith From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 16:58:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22739 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:58:51 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08524; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:12:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:12:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08509; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:12:12 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA26168; Fri, 22 Jul 94 17:10:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 94 17:10:37 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9407222110.AA26168@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: chetal@gedny.ml.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Expanding logical disk without erasing? Status: OR what's your standard of comparison for crawling? Remember that there is no external cache on this machine, so it will run much slower than a high end desktop with the same processor. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 17:18:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26838 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:18:10 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11009; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:31:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:31:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11002; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:31:44 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA20370; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 14:31:42 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id OAA17644; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 14:31:39 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407222131.OAA17644@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Expanding logical disk without erasing? To: chetal@gedny.ml.com (Pradeep Chetal) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 14:31:38 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9407222121.AA13160@gedny07.gedny.ml.com> from "Pradeep Chetal" at Jul 22, 94 05:21:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > > I partitioned my TP750Ce's 340MB disk so that it has 120 MB (240 MB > > > compressed for DOS) and 220 MB which I thought will use for Linux. > > > However, I Might get another PC for Linux. So I would like to expand > > > TP750 disk to be used as C: disk. Is it possible w/o erasing everything > > > on it already? I do not want to call the 2nd disk as a D: or something > > > I rather keep it simple C:. > > However, if you use all of the drive in one partition (C:), you > > will end up with 8K clusters--incredibly wasteful. If it were me (and > > I have done precisely this with mine), I would use the second partition > > as is--a "D:" drive, which would be 4K clusters, while your C: drive is > > 2K clusters. That way you waste less space with those smaller files. > > You'll lose lots of slack space with those 8K clusters--perhaps as much > > as 30 MB. > > > If I call it a 'D:' can I have sort of a symbolic link to this thing? > I am a UNIX person & competely new to DOS. I am running DOS-6.2 with new > fdisk. Can I do that or I have to pick one of the public fdisk's on the > net. I don't understand what you are asking--a symbolic link? Your DOS 6.2 (Why did you dump PC-DOS, by the way? Personally, I find it more elegant that the MS version) has an Fdisk that will work perfectly. Just go to Fdisk, and in that second partition, you need to do two things: (1) make it a "DOS" partition and then (2) Make various "Logical" drives within that partition (presumably, just one big Logical drive is what you'll want). Then drop back to DOS (quit FDisk) and reboot to be certain. DOS will now allow you to type "D:" and give you a "D" prompt. However, it won't know what to do with the disk because it is not formatted--so format it. Then BOOM--you're done! You now have a ready-to- use, formatted D: partition. Install stuff as you desire.... (and I would suggest you put your compressed drive on the D: partition and leave C: uncompressed--just makes life easier for booting and having uncompressed drive space for things like Hibernation files or Windows Swapfiles). ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 17:20:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27302 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:20:41 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02828; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:00:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:00:08 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02800; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:00:04 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407221959.AA18850@husc.harvard.edu> Received: by unknown (1.37.109.10G/16.2) id AA005257105; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 15:58:25 -0400 Subject: Re: IBM Gopher and FTP sites! To: bruce@objy.com Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 15:58:24 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: <9407221658.AA18869@opus.objy.com> from "bruce@objy.com" at Jul 22, 94 09:58:27 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Hmmm...I had no problem getting the files from the FTP site. Well...I did when I tried to use ncftp to list them. Using regular ftp, I got in and did an "ls" to list the directories. Had no problem...(shrug) ================================================================================ Derek V. Chan Department of Immunology and Surgery "The right to speak does not automatically Harvard Med. School/Mass Gen. Hosp. include the right to be taken seriously." chan4@husc.harvard.edu till 08/18/94 ================================================================================ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 17:21:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27422 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:21:07 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11721; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:38:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:38:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from VAXC.HOFSTRA.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11713; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:38:39 -0400 Received: from baskett.hofstra.edu by vaxc.hofstra.edu (PMDF V4.2-11 #3680) id <01HF0K7VPB7KA3CTWE@vaxc.hofstra.edu>; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:38:10 EDT Received: by baskett.hofstra.edu (931110.SGI) id AA17539; Fri, 22 Jul 94 17:36:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:36:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Kendall Chenoweth Subject: Re: Expanding logical disk without erasing? In-Reply-To: <199407222131.OAA17644@aludra.usc.edu> To: Randal Whittle Cc: Pradeep Chetal , TP Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Status: OR re symbolic link: you want to use either the "assign" or "join" dos command. the "join" is mot like a true unix symbolic link except it recognizes only the symbolic link or the true directory, not both. if you activate "join" and you decide you don't like it, remove the statement addition to your autoexec.bat Kendall Kendall Chenoweth, UNIX Coordinator, 516/463-6134, 925-0711 Academic Computing, Hofstra University, Hempstead, NY 11550 "Listen very carefully... I shall say this only once..." Michelle from the Resistance, 'Allo 'Allo From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 17:41:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01607 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:41:04 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13967; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:57:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:57:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13926; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:57:34 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA26258; Fri, 22 Jul 94 17:57:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 94 17:57:34 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9407222157.AA26258@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: chetal@gedny.ml.com, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Expanding logical disk without erasing? Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Randy, that's not what he asked, he asked how to extend the C drive, and he specifically did NOT want to create a D drive. Now obviously this can be done, and in fact is not even that difficult, how ever I know of know software that does this kind of non-destryctive repartitioning. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 17:43:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02088 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:43:37 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14312; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 18:01:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 18:01:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14305; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 18:01:39 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id OAA19423; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 14:09:01 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id OAA15652; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 14:08:59 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407222108.OAA15652@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Expanding logical disk without erasing? To: chetal@gedny.ml.com (Pradeep Chetal) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 14:08:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9407222012.AA13095@gedny07.gedny.ml.com> from "Pradeep Chetal" at Jul 22, 94 04:12:25 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I partitioned my TP750Ce's 340MB disk so that it has 120 MB (240 MB > compressed for DOS) and 220 MB which I thought will use for Linux. > However, I Might get another PC for Linux. So I would like to expand > TP750 disk to be used as C: disk. Is it possible w/o erasing everything > on it already? I do not want to call the 2nd disk as a D: or something else. > I rather keep it simple C:. I can't remember for sure, but I don't think so--you'll have to create a whole new (large) partition, but first you have to delete the existing partition--you can't simply "expand" it. So have fun backing everything up! ;) However, if you use all of the drive in one partition (C:), you will end up with 8K clusters--incredibly wasteful. If it were me (and I have done precisely this with mine), I would use the second partition as is--a "D:" drive, which would be 4K clusters, while your C: drive is 2K clusters. That way you waste less space with those smaller files. You'll lose lots of slack space with those 8K clusters--perhaps as much as 30 MB. > In adddition, what does 486 SL-Enhanced DX2-50 mean? The Thinkpad > crawls on every application I run - like Mathematics, Lotus, etc. > How can I make it faster? My presumption is that your machine is going into low-gear to save battery juice. Try playing with your power consumption settings. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 18:25:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08148 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 18:25:16 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18418; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 18:42:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 18:42:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18410; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 18:42:16 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407222242.AA07486@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: LINUX - poll results and GOOD NEWS... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 18:42:11 -0400 (EDT) Cc: chan4@CS.UTK.EDU (Derek Chan) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Okay, the poll results indicate that the vast majority of people want linux discussion kept on. Err..I suppose we'll try to keep whining to a minimum (:)). But anyways...that's sorta moot, as I now have Linux running...well...sorta of (Thanks to Ed (tekeian@vgi.com for providing me with a newly recompiled kernel.). The kernel referred to in the "Linux and the Thinkpad 750" html page that I forwarded to this mailing list does not appear to work correctly with Slackware distribution 2.0.0, the current slackware distribution found at tsx-11.mit.edu (or at least I couldn't get it to work (yeah, you saw all the b*tching and moaning...). Thanks to Keith Moore for pointing out to me at 2 am in the morning (:)) that the costant rebooting of my machine was probably due to a faulty kernel. Anyways...with the new kernel in hand, I successfully installed the base linux distribution (the A set for those of you w/ the linux disks). However, I used loadlin (as Ed suggested) to boot the kernel image from my _PC-DOS_ partition. Kinda nifty little program. >From there, I can specify the root to be my hard disk partition or the install disk for slackware. The problem I'm now encountering is that the linux loader (LILO) which I have booted from my OS/2 Boot Manager menu (no problems here...it works well w/ os/2 (and 4 Mb RAM...hey! stop laughing! heh.) is booting up correctly, but the system hangs when it says "going into multiuser mode." I think this is because I don't have the updated kernel installed on the linux partition. The loadlin trick loads the correct kernel which i have sitting on my dos partition. However, when just plain booting (bypassing dos and using LILO from bootmanager directly) linux hangs. So...anyone got any ideas on which file I overwrite on my root? Thanks. -- Derek P.S. Ed and I are planning on writing up some idiot-proof documention for installing Slackware 2.0.0 (feh! i needed idiot-proof documentation!). Hmmm...I don't know how long the current version of slackware will be at tsx-11.mit.edu. Furthermore, I don't know whether or not the recompiled WORKING kernel will work with subsequent distributions of slackware. So...in my humble opinion...if you're thinking at all about installing slackware, at least download the install-HOWTO and the "A" set of diskettes and the "COLOR144.GZ" root disk image from tsx-11.mit.edu (gee...I feel really sorry for that FTP site ) as soon as possible, before they "update" the linux stuff (otherwise we MAY have to go through all this fun stuff again ) Cheers, Derek ================================================================================ Derek V. Chan Department of Immunology and Surgery "The right to speak does not automatically Harvard Med. School/Mass Gen. Hosp. include the right to be taken seriously." chan4@husc.harvard.edu till 08/18/94 ================================================================================ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 18:36:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09406 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 18:36:28 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18809; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 18:49:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 18:49:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from vgi.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18795; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 18:49:20 -0400 From: Received: from lucy.BloomCounty ([1.0.2.102]) by vgi.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07626; Fri, 22 Jul 94 18:55:39 EDT Received: by lucy.BloomCounty (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01398; Fri, 22 Jul 94 18:50:48 EDT Date: Fri, 22 Jul 94 18:50:48 EDT Message-Id: <9407222250.AA01398@lucy.BloomCounty> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Expanding logical disk without erasing? Easy, no problemo for fips! Status: OR > > Randy, that's not what he asked, he asked how to extend the C drive, and > he specifically did NOT want to create a D drive. Now obviously this can > be done, and in fact is not even that difficult, how ever I know of know > software that does this kind of non-destryctive repartitioning. > I've heard of a program called fips which non-destructive repartitions. First you run a defrag program then you run fips (makes sense to me). It's shareware or public domain and can be found at tsx-11.mit.edu under /pub/linux/dos_utils/fips11.zip. It's a zipped archive which I couldn't unzip. If anyone decides to get this and can unzip it, please let me know, I'd like to use it. Remember, this is a dos utility, not Linux, it's just kept there. Ed From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 18:50:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10799 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 18:50:55 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19803; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:11:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:11:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19795; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:11:38 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407222311.AA08304@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: Expanding logical disk without erasing? Easy, no problemo for fips! To: tekeian@vgi.com Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:11:29 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: <9407222250.AA01398@lucy.BloomCounty> from "tekeian@vgi.com" at Jul 22, 94 06:50:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Right...FIPS is supposed to work. However, one of my friends had a problem with Linux thinking the DOS partition was not partitioned (i.e. it had 80 Mb extra space). GGranted this was an older version of Linux, but he used FIPS to partition. IMHO, I'm worried any time I partition w/ a "nifty" doodad like fips. I dunno...I backed up my hd to the network :) before partitioning. Oh well.... -- Derek ================================================================================ Derek V. Chan Department of Immunology and Surgery "The right to speak does not automatically Harvard Med. School/Mass Gen. Hosp. include the right to be taken seriously." chan4@husc.harvard.edu till 08/18/94 ================================================================================ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 18:54:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11103 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 18:54:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19922; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:15:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:15:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19894; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:15:32 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407222315.AA08413@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: Okay...NOW it works! Hooray!!! Yippee!!! Hip hip hooray!!! To: tekeian@vgi.com Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: <9407222244.AA01393@lucy.BloomCounty> from "tekeian@vgi.com" at Jul 22, 94 06:44:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Linux is alive on the 750 (& 360)!!! Hip hip hooray!!! Yippee!!! Many thanks to Ed Tekeian for telling me how to enable and copy the new kernel! Wheeee!!!! Hip hip hooray!!! Linux rocks on this little machine :). Now if only we could get sound support... (feh! :) ) An idiot-proof(tm) guide will be forthcoming... -- Derek ================================================================================ Derek V. Chan Department of Immunology and Surgery "The right to speak does not automatically Harvard Med. School/Mass Gen. Hosp. include the right to be taken seriously." chan4@husc.harvard.edu till 08/18/94 ================================================================================ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 19:06:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12654 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:06:12 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20506; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:27:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:26:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA20499; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:26:55 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407222326.AA08650@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: Re: Expanding logical disk without erasing? Easy, no problemo for fips! To: tekeian@vgi.com Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:26:44 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: <9407222250.AA01398@lucy.BloomCounty> from "tekeian@vgi.com" at Jul 22, 94 06:50:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Which version of Pkunzip are you using? You may need unzipp1a for DOS. I can uuencode and send it to you if you need it. The latest version of pkunzip is 2.04g. If using Pkunzip, did you use the -d (create directories) option? -- Derek ================================================================================ Derek V. Chan Department of Immunology and Surgery "The right to speak does not automatically Harvard Med. School/Mass Gen. Hosp. include the right to be taken seriously." chan4@husc.harvard.edu till 08/18/94 ================================================================================ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 19:31:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15417 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:31:21 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21623; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:50:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:50:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21606; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:50:48 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA26235; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:50:45 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id QAA01034; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:50:40 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407222350.QAA01034@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Should we try for a newsgroup? To: moore@CS.UTK.EDU (Keith Moore) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199407221846.OAA18926@wilma.cs.utk.edu> from "Keith Moore" at Jul 22, 94 02:46:30 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > > Please! let convert this list to a newsgroup... my mail is full as it is... > > Newsgroups are more accesible, and more convenient... > > That's odd. I find electronic mail far more convenient than netnews. Me too! ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 19:34:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15915 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:34:14 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21804; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:54:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:54:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA21797; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:54:07 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA26352; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:54:06 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id QAA01292; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:54:03 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407222354.QAA01292@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Expanding logical disk without erasing? To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 16:54:03 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9407222110.AA26168@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jul 22, 94 05:10:37 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > what's your standard of comparison for crawling? Remember that there is > no external cache on this machine, so it will run much slower than a high > end desktop with the same processor. Speaking of which--why is it that Notebook makers can't seem to get it through their skulls that the built-in 8K cache on the 486 chip simply *isn't* enough? Why are all the notebooks I've seen devoid of any off-chip cache? ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 19:35:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16059 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:35:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22011; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:56:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:56:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA22004; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:56:52 -0400 Received: from biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (biophysics.bio.rpi.edu [128.113.8.42]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.6.9/8.6.4) with SMTP id TAA22529 for <@rpi.edu:TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:56:51 -0400 Received: by biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (920330.SGI/921111.SGI.AUTO) for @rpi.edu:TP750@CS.UTK.EDU id AA07671; Fri, 22 Jul 94 19:58:28 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 94 19:58:28 -0400 From: arturo@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (Arturo J. Morales) Message-Id: <9407222358.AA07671@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Newsgroup Status: OR I've seen messages from people that preffer news, and people that preffer mail. I don't know how to do it, but i know that it is possible to have both... most of the bionet newsgroups are mailing lists, but they get piped through usenet. If someone knows how to, it should not be that hard... --Art ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Arturo J. Morales | arturo@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu Center For Biophysics and Biochemistry | morala2@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | Troy, NY ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Caveman's Motto: He who hesitates, is lunch... .. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 19:38:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16338 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:38:06 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22155; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 20:00:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 20:00:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from epb9.lbl.gov by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22135; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 20:00:46 -0400 Received: from epb12.lbl.gov by epb9.lbl.gov for tp750@cs.utk.edu (4.1/1.39) id AA01445; Fri, 22 Jul 94 16:58:45 PDT Received: by epb12.lbl.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22884; Fri, 22 Jul 94 17:01:11 PDT Date: Fri, 22 Jul 94 17:01:11 PDT From: envmhs@epb12.lbl.gov (Max Sherman) Message-Id: <9407230001.AA22884@epb12.lbl.gov> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: USENET Status: OR Unfortuneately, I do not have my mail automatically go into folders. If the Linux discussion is to stay, I'm outta here. I would much prefer this to be a newsgroup. Scottie, beam off this list From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 19:58:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18114 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 19:58:16 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22865; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 20:17:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 20:17:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22857; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 20:17:47 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA27354; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:17:40 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id RAA03561; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:17:38 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407230017.RAA03561@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Expanding logical disk without erasing? To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 17:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9407222157.AA26258@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> from "Robert Dewar" at Jul 22, 94 05:57:34 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > Randy, that's not what he asked, he asked how to extend the C drive, and > he specifically did NOT want to create a D drive. Now obviously this can > be done, and in fact is not even that difficult, how ever I know of know > software that does this kind of non-destryctive repartitioning. Sheesh Robert--give me a break! I pointed out that I didn't think it could be done (non-destructively), and then continued on with a suggestion that he might just want to go ahead and *keep* it as a D: drive, that's all. Is that so horrible? Did I hurt somebody's feelings or what? Besides--he then shot back with a question about how to do it with DOS 6.2's FDisk, so I told him! I don't think I was out of line or anything and if I was--sheesh-- I'll remove myself from the list if you think I'm so destracting. I thought I was helping. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 20:35:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21966 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 20:35:44 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25232; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 21:07:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 21:07:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25220; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 21:07:22 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA27044; Fri, 22 Jul 94 21:07:18 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 94 21:07:18 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9407230107.AA27044@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: Expanding logical disk without erasing? Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR why are all the notebooks I've seen devoid of [secondary] cache? perhaps cost, space, power? The DX4 has 16K on chip, which should be a little better. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 20:35:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21984 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 20:35:51 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25053; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 21:04:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 21:04:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA25045; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 21:04:31 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA27022; Fri, 22 Jul 94 21:04:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 94 21:04:30 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9407230104.AA27022@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, tekeian@vgi.com Subject: Re: Expanding logical disk without erasing? Easy, no problemo for fips! Status: OR OK great, that's exactly the program that SHOULD exist. Of course I would still definitely back up the world before trying such a program :-)  (it's not a bad idea to back up the world every now and then even if you aren't trying such a program :-) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 21:49:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29350 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 21:49:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02658; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 22:20:07 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 22:20:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02636; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 22:20:01 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA27341; Fri, 22 Jul 94 22:19:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 94 22:19:58 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9407230219.AA27341@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: envmhs@epb12.lbl.gov, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: USENET Status: OR "If the Linux discussion is to stay, I'm outta here" well we can't really react to such views other than by agreeing to the "beam off the list" request. After all every single thread is boring and noise to some considerable fraction of the readers. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 22 21:51:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29565 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 22 Jul 1994 21:51:47 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02627; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 22:18:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 22:18:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA02620; Fri, 22 Jul 1994 22:18:54 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA27335; Fri, 22 Jul 94 22:18:48 -0400 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 94 22:18:48 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9407230218.AA27335@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, arturo@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu Subject: Re: Newsgroup Status: OR it is perfectly possible to have a newsgroup that is interlinked with mail, so that mail messages to the group get posted, and postings get emailed. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jul 23 09:35:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19682 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 23 Jul 1994 09:35:54 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13532; Sat, 23 Jul 1994 09:54:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 23 Jul 1994 09:54:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from fire.ml.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA13525; Sat, 23 Jul 1994 09:54:38 -0400 Received: from ml.com ([146.125.4.24]) by fire.ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with ESMTP id JAA10921; Sat, 23 Jul 1994 09:53:43 -0400 Received: from gedny07.gedny.ml.com (gedny07.gedny.ml.com [146.125.9.7]) by ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with SMTP id JAA06293; Sat, 23 Jul 1994 09:52:06 -0400 Received: from gedny11.gedny by gedny07.gedny.ml.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14019; Sat, 23 Jul 94 09:53:06 EDT Date: Sat, 23 Jul 94 09:53:06 EDT From: chetal@gedny.ml.com (Pradeep Chetal) Message-Id: <9407231353.AA14019@gedny07.gedny.ml.com> Received: by gedny11.gedny (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03120; Sat, 23 Jul 94 09:53:05 EDT To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Expanding logical disk without erasing? In-Reply-To: <199407222108.OAA15652@aludra.usc.edu> References: <199407222108.OAA15652@aludra.usc.edu> <9407222012.AA13095@gedny07.gedny.ml.com> Status: OR writes: > > > I partitioned my TP750Ce's 340MB disk so that it has 120 MB (240 MB > > compressed for DOS) and 220 MB which I thought will use for Linux. > > However, I Might get another PC for Linux. So I would like to expand > > TP750 disk to be used as C: disk. Is it possible w/o erasing everything > > on it already? I do not want to call the 2nd disk as a D: or something else. > > I rather keep it simple C:. > > I can't remember for sure, but I don't think so--you'll have to > create a whole new (large) partition, but first you have to delete the > existing partition--you can't simply "expand" it. So have fun backing > everything up! ;) > > However, if you use all of the drive in one partition (C:), you > will end up with 8K clusters--incredibly wasteful. If it were me (and > I have done precisely this with mine), I would use the second partition > as is--a "D:" drive, which would be 4K clusters, while your C: drive is > 2K clusters. That way you waste less space with those smaller files. > You'll lose lots of slack space with those 8K clusters--perhaps as much > as 30 MB. > > > In adddition, what does 486 SL-Enhanced DX2-50 mean? The Thinkpad > > crawls on every application I run - like Mathematics, Lotus, etc. > > How can I make it faster? > > My presumption is that your machine is going into low-gear to > save battery juice. Try playing with your power consumption settings. Thanks a lot for all the replies. It looks like it is simpler to keep the new partition as 'D:' and later use 'join' or 'assign'. Someone mantioned that theres is 'fips' available that CAN be used non-destructively to extend partitions, but a few following replies mentioned that sometimes it may NOT work. Thanks a lot for all the replies. /Pradeep From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jul 24 14:09:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00595 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 24 Jul 1994 14:09:46 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16161; Sun, 24 Jul 1994 14:32:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 24 Jul 1994 14:32:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16154; Sun, 24 Jul 1994 14:32:26 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA11648 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Sun, 24 Jul 1994 14:32:20 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18609; Sun, 24 Jul 1994 14:28:50 -0400 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 1994 14:28:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: IBM's 810MB Hard drive for laptops To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I just found this announcement on one of the IBM gopher sites. It explains the breaktrhough that lets IBM make these 800MB hard drives for laptops. What I find most informative however is the price that IBM charges OEM manufacturer's for these: $795 !!!!!!!!!! Maybe some 750 users can purchase some of these Hard drives. --------- MR Head Technology, No-ID Formatting Puts 810MB on Three Disks IBM EXPANDS ITS FAMILY OF HIGH-CAPACITY 2.5-INCH HARD DISK DRIVES FOR OEM CUSTOMERS SAN JOSE, Calif., May 10... The IBM Corporation today announced for the Original Equipment Manufacturer (OEM) market two new 2.5-inch hard disk drive models that each pack 810 megabytes (MB) of information onto just three platters -- the most compact storage yet provided for notebook computers. With volume shipments to begin before the end of the month, IBM expects to be the first to market with 2.5-inch drives of this capacity. The new DVAA 2810 model includes an AT(IDE) interface with a data transfer rate of 8.3MB per second while the DVAS 2810 includes a Fast SCSI-2 interface with a data transfer rate of 10MB per second. The new products expand IBM's families of 2.5-inch drives to include products with capacities of 270, 344, 405, 540 and 810MB. IBM's use of magneto-resistive (MR) head technology is largely responsible for its ability to provide the industry's highest storage densities. IBM was the first company to provide MR head technology to the marketplace when it began shipping hard disk drives using that technology to customers in 1991. Also helping to store more information on each platter is a newer technological innovation from the IBM Research Division called No-ID (TM) sector formatting. It was used for the first time in the 1- and 2-disk members of the 2.5-inch disk drive family, and is also used in the 3-disk drives announced today. With No-ID sector formatting, the ID (or header) information necessary to find the exact location of desired data on the disk is stored in solid-state memory instead of on the disk itself. This frees up substantial space for useable data, since the ID information can occupy as much as 10 percent of each track on the disk. Besides increasing storage density, No-ID sector formatting can also improve disk drive performance and reliability. "This latest addition to IBM's line of 2.5-inch hard disk drives offers high-end notebook computer users storage capabilities previously available only on desktop systems," said Fred Wiele, IBM Storage Systems Division vice president, storage products marketing. "With today's announcement, IBM answers the growing demand for higher-capacity, high-performance disk drives in the 2.5-inch form factor. These new drives offer the same superb performance and reliability that characterize all of IBM's magneto-resistive head drives." IBM's use of magneto-resistive head technology allows the company to offer the highest areal density available in a 2.5-inch disk drive -- 493 million bits per square inch -- and deliver an unparalleled 270MB capacity on each platter. The 810MB formatted capacity of the new drives is packaged on three platters within the 17mm-high form factor for notebook computers. The drives also feature a mean time between failure (MTBF) of 300,000 hours. The new drives offer a high-performance peak data transfer rate of 35.8 Mbits/sec, a fast 3800 rpm rotational speed and a 14ms average seek time. The high capacity and high data-transfer rate of the drives bring a new, high-speed performance level to such data-intensive applications as multimedia and graphic presentations, and communications. Also, the drives offer energy-saving low power for extended notebook battery life. OEM evaluation units of the DVAA and DVAS 2810 2.5-inch hard disk drives are priced at $795 and will be available this month. Volume production and general availability to OEMs will also begin in May. IBM is the world's largest supplier of computer storage products. Through its Storage Systems Division, the company provides a full line of storage solutions for IBM systems, for original equipment manufacturers (OEM) and for commercial distribution. Its offerings include disk drives, magnetic tape subsystems, automated tape libraries, optical drives, optical libraries, disk arrays, storage controllers and related storage management software. The IBM Storage Products Company, a unit of the Storage Systems Division, has responsibility for the development, manufacturing and marketing of hard disk drives and their supporting technology components. ### No-ID is a trademark of International Business Machines Corp. IBM US #144 05/10/94 For facsimiles of this and other IBM product press releases, dial the IBM FAX Information Service at 1-800-IBM 4FAX, and enter 99 at the voice prompt. To obtain facsimiles of product description sheets for the DVAA and DVAS families of 2.5-inch disk drives (or other storage products), callers from the United States and Canada can dial a fax information service line at (415)903-0547. At the voice prompt, enter the document number 1053. Contacts: Carol Keslar IBM Storage Systems Division (408)256-5555 Lisa Ritter GCI Group (213)930-0811 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jul 24 20:07:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23325 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 24 Jul 1994 20:07:39 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17196; Sun, 24 Jul 1994 20:35:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 24 Jul 1994 20:35:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17168; Sun, 24 Jul 1994 20:35:06 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA13165; Sun, 24 Jul 1994 17:35:00 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id RAA14160; Sun, 24 Jul 1994 17:34:58 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407250034.RAA14160@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: IBM's 810MB Hard drive for laptops To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu (Joshua Hosseinoff) Date: Sun, 24 Jul 1994 17:34:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Joshua Hosseinoff" at Jul 24, 94 02:28:49 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR >explains the breaktrhough that lets IBM make these 800MB hard drives for >laptops. What I find most informative however is the price that IBM >charges OEM manufacturer's for these: $795 !!!!!!!!!! >Maybe some 750 users can purchase some of these Hard drives. While I tend to doubt any non-OEM people can get this drive at this price (and remember--it says that price is for an "Evaluation" unit. Typically that means they get a super discount for that drive only. Any subsequent drive purchases are at normal price--whatever that is), I will wait with baited breath to see if any 750-people can buy this drive. I might even gladly sacrifice my 340 MB drive and put one of these in the drive case, if I can get it for that cheap! Keep yer eyes peeled... ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jul 24 22:55:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16761 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 24 Jul 1994 22:55:52 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04321; Sun, 24 Jul 1994 23:20:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 24 Jul 1994 23:19:59 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA04279; Sun, 24 Jul 1994 23:19:57 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA29654; Sun, 24 Jul 94 23:19:55 -0400 Date: Sun, 24 Jul 94 23:19:55 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9407250319.AA29654@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, whittle@chaph.usc.edu Subject: Re: IBM's 810MB Hard drive for laptops Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR I think you can get the 810 drive for about $2500. At the moment no 755's are being delivered from IBM with the 810 drive. According to my sources, if dealers are offering the 810, they are doing it by buying the drive separately and switching drives. I decided I can manage with the 510 for now :-) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jul 24 23:23:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20849 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 24 Jul 1994 23:23:40 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06589; Sun, 24 Jul 1994 23:41:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 24 Jul 1994 23:41:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kitten.mcs.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA06582; Sun, 24 Jul 1994 23:41:45 -0400 Received: by kitten.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.7) id ; Sun, 24 Jul 94 22:41 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1) id ; Sun, 24 Jul 94 22:41 CDT Received: by falkor.chi.il.us (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Sun, 24 Jul 94 22:23:01 CDT for tp750@cs.utk.edu To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: FW: faxing and the 750 From: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) Message-Id: <0B5ZPc3w165w@falkor.chi.il.us> Date: Sun, 24 Jul 94 22:15:20 CST In-Reply-To: <2E2C0D33@mm-gw.shl.com> Organization: DML, Inc., Buffalo Grove, IL Status: OR I've been able to send FAXes with an XJ1144 with no problems at all, using the Easy Playing PCMCIA drivers and the Windows FAX software that came with the modem (Eclipse?). I've had DOSKEY installed all along. So, I don't think you've found the ultimate solution. Following is my configuration. Enjoy! Ron. Note: I have moved most of my IBM and ThinkPad related directories to live under the C:\IBM directory, to help clean up my root directory. You will likely need to change most/all of the paths below that refer to the C:\IBM directory. (IBM should have done it this way in the first place!) ----- config.sys ----- buffers=20 SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM C:\ /E:1024 /p DEVICE=C:\DOS\HIMEM.SYS DEVICE=C:\DOS\EMM386.EXE NOEMS RAM X=B000-C0FF I=C100-E5FF X=E600-EFFF H=64 A=7 D=32 DEVICEhigh=C:\IBM\THINKPAD\IBMDSS01.SYS /S0=2 DEVICEhigh=C:\IBM\THINKPAD\IBMDOSCS.SYS DEVICEhigh=C:\IBM\THINKPAD\DICRMU01.SYS /MA=C000-C0FF DEVICEhigh=C:\IBM\THINKPAD\$ICPMDOS.SYS /MODEMOFF DEVICEhigh=C:\DOS\POWER.EXE ADV:MAX DEVICEhigh=C:\IBM\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.SYS C:\IBM\THINKPAD\AUTODRV.INI FILES=60 STACKS=9,256 dos=high,umb LASTDRIVE=J BREAK=ON DEVICEhigh=C:\DOS\SETVER.EXE DEVICEhigh=C:\DOS\ANSI.SYS DEVICEhigh=C:\IBMVESA\VESA.EXE ----- autoexec.bat ----- @ECHO OFF PROMPT $P$G PATH=C:\ODAPI;c:\mks\bin;c:\lbin;C:\WINDOWS;C:\IBM\THINKPAD;C:\DOS [SET commands] LH C:\DOS\SMARTDRV.EXE LH C:\DOS\MOUSE.COM LH C:\DOS\SHARE.EXE /F:4096 /L:40 LH C:\DOS\DOSKEY.COM CALL C:\DOS\IBMAVDR.BAT C:\DOS\ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 25 10:08:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24817 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 25 Jul 1994 10:08:45 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09528; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 10:26:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 10:26:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09521; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 10:26:42 -0400 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with ESMTP (8.6.5:29/EUnetD-2.4.3.g) via EUnet id QAA13605; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 16:27:31 +0200 Message-Id: <9407251426.AA06093@funghi.Materna.DE> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Ethernet under UNIX Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 16:26:32 +0200 From: Thomas Wysocki Status: OR Hello everybody, I have a strange problem running TCP/IP under SCO-Unix on a brandnew Thinkpad 360C. A collegue has a Thinkpad 750C on which he is running SCO-ODT 3.0. For networking he has installed a 3COM 3C589 Etherlink III PCMCIA-Adapter. The drivers are from the SCO LLI Drivers Release 3.3.0 (efs140). This configuration runs very well. Now I tested the same configuration on my 360C and it doesn't work. I used his harddisk, his Ethernetard, so the only thing different ist the mashine itself (and his Bios, but is this important or UNIX?). When TCP/IP is loading during booting the different Demaons (cpd, slink) tell me that the Etherlink III Unit 0 is not present in PCMCIA Slot 1 (I am shure I used the correct slot) and open on /dev/e3E0: No such device or address appeares. Everything else works fine. Do you have an idea about the reason of the different behaviour and do you have an idea how I can get it working? Thank you in advance, Thomas PS.: I found another different behaviour. Both mashines have a 8MB DRAM card installed. The 705C tells me during booting he has 120?? bytes free, the 360 only gives me 119?? Byte. From where do these differences come? __________________________________________________________________________ Thomas Wysocki ** Dr. Materna GmbH ** Vosskuhle 37 ** 44141 Dortmund mail tw@materna.de ** vox +49 231/5599-152 ** fax +49 231/5599-100 -------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 25 11:19:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14482 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 25 Jul 1994 11:19:06 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18589; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 11:35:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 11:35:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from epb9.lbl.gov by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18571; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 11:35:47 -0400 Received: from epb12.lbl.gov by epb9.lbl.gov for tp750@cs.utk.edu (4.1/1.39) id AA06992; Mon, 25 Jul 94 08:33:46 PDT Received: by epb12.lbl.gov (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24623; Mon, 25 Jul 94 08:36:17 PDT Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 08:36:17 PDT From: envmhs@epb12.lbl.gov (Max Sherman) Message-Id: <9407251536.AA24623@epb12.lbl.gov> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re; USENET Status: OR Yes, that is the whole point. on a BBS you can ignore threads that you don't find interesting. On a mailing list everything shows up in your in-box. The signal-to-noise ratio should be accordingly much higher. I vote for making a USENET group. ----- Begin Included Message ----- >From dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU Fri Jul 22 19:20:32 1994 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 94 22:19:58 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) To: envmhs@epb12.lbl.gov, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: USENET Content-Length: 251 "If the Linux discussion is to stay, I'm outta here" well we can't really react to such views other than by agreeing to the "beam off the list" request. After all every single thread is boring and noise to some considerable fraction of the readers. ----- End Included Message ----- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jul 25 12:07:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29509 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 25 Jul 1994 12:06:56 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23490; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 12:17:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 12:17:10 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from fire.ml.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23481; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 12:17:06 -0400 Received: from ml.com ([146.125.4.24]) by fire.ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with ESMTP id MAA00944 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 12:16:42 -0400 Received: from gedny07.gedny.ml.com (gedny07.gedny.ml.com [146.125.9.7]) by ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with SMTP id MAA04086 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 12:15:14 -0400 Received: from gedny29.gedny by gedny07.gedny.ml.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15428; Mon, 25 Jul 94 12:16:13 EDT Date: Mon, 25 Jul 94 12:16:13 EDT From: chetal@gedny.ml.com (Pradeep Chetal) Message-Id: <9407251616.AA15428@gedny07.gedny.ml.com> Received: by gedny29.gedny (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15045; Mon, 25 Jul 94 12:16:10 EDT To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: PCDOS versus MSDOS (pro/cons? - doesn't matter?..) Status: OR Hi, I changed my DOS to MSDOS 6.2 from original PC-DOS on TP750. A few people to my previous disk question mentioned that PC-DOS is much better. Nobody mentioned why. Are there any advantages in keeping PC-DOS? I was using MSDOS's dblspace but currently I am NOT even using it. Thanks for all the replies and as before I will summarize, if you just e-mail them to me (Preerable). /Pradeep From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 26 18:20:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24020 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 26 Jul 1994 18:20:52 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07388; Tue, 26 Jul 1994 18:31:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Jul 1994 18:31:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07379; Tue, 26 Jul 1994 18:31:08 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA03524; Tue, 26 Jul 94 16:30:25 MDT Date: Tue, 26 Jul 94 16:30:25 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9407262230.AA03524@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Communications software Status: OR Has anyone used the comm software that comes bundled with Megahertz PCMCIA modems called Eclipse Data SE (by Phoenix Technologies)? If so, is it OK as compared to one of the more well known packages, like Crosstalk or Wincom? I've got Crosstalk 2.0.0, which is a somewhat out- of-date version, and it doesn't list any Megahertz modems at all during setup/installation. As a result, I can't seem to get it configured in a way that makes the modem happy. I know the bundled software supports the X-jack explicitly, and I'm therefore considering just switching Eclipse for Crosstalk. Before I do, however, I'd like to hear any comments regarding Eclipse Data, good or bad. Anyone?? Thanks, Karl Yeanoplos kyeanopl@den.mmc.com Denver, CO. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Jul 26 19:07:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02577 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 26 Jul 1994 19:07:54 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09473; Tue, 26 Jul 1994 19:22:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 26 Jul 1994 19:22:12 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09465; Tue, 26 Jul 1994 19:22:06 -0400 Received: by netcom.com (8.6.8.1/SMI-4.1/Netcom) id QAA09146; Tue, 26 Jul 1994 16:22:26 -0700 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 16:22:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Arie Litman Subject: Communications software (fwd) To: TP-750 List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Eclipse is a piece of sh*t!!! many of its functions are disabled, but there is nothing in the package that documents what is and what works.. Also, it is a memory hog! the only vertue is good VT100 emulation... Not good enough. Arie Litman voice (408)441-1166 x4411 FAX x**4411 Litman@netcom.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 26 Jul 94 16:30:25 MDT From: Karl Yeanoplos To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Communications software Has anyone used the comm software that comes bundled with Megahertz PCMCIA modems called Eclipse Data SE (by Phoenix Technologies)? If so, is it OK as compared to one of the more well known packages, like Crosstalk or Wincom? I've got Crosstalk 2.0.0, which is a somewhat out- of-date version, and it doesn't list any Megahertz modems at all during setup/installation. As a result, I can't seem to get it configured in a way that makes the modem happy. I know the bundled software supports the X-jack explicitly, and I'm therefore considering just switching Eclipse for Crosstalk. Before I do, however, I'd like to hear any comments regarding Eclipse Data, good or bad. Anyone?? Thanks, Karl Yeanoplos kyeanopl@den.mmc.com Denver, CO. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 27 09:45:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24859 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 27 Jul 1994 09:45:32 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00996; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 10:05:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 10:05:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00988; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 10:04:58 -0400 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 7537; Wed, 27 Jul 94 10:04:49 EDT Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 3453; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 10:04:49 EDT Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Wed, 27 Jul 94 10:04:43 EDT Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA20079; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 10:04:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 1994 10:04:38 -0400 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9407271404.AA20079@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Karl Yeanoplos's message of Tue, 26 Jul 94 16:30:25 MDT <9407262230.AA03524@amazon.den.mmc.com> Subject: Communications software Status: OR > I've got Crosstalk 2.0.0, which is a somewhat out- >of-date version, and it doesn't list any Megahertz modems >at all during setup/installation. As a result, I can't >seem to get it configured in a way that makes the modem >happy. I managed to get Kermit running OK with the Megahertz. It was a matter of downloading the detailed modem command list from the Megahertz bulletin board, and then screwing with all the parameters until I got it right. If you like, I could send you the proper commands to get the modem working at 14.4 with hardware flow control, error correction and compression. Presumably they should work in Crosstalk. I did complain to the Megahertz folks at a conference about their crappy manual. I was annoyed that I had to download the command list via long distance, when it should be in the manual. They said that they already had plans to include the full command list in their next manual version. --andy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 27 13:08:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27829 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 27 Jul 1994 13:07:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15678; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 13:10:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 13:10:56 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15649; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 13:10:50 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA03658; Wed, 27 Jul 94 11:10:07 MDT Date: Wed, 27 Jul 94 11:10:07 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9407271710.AA03658@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Communications software Status: OR > I've got Crosstalk 2.0.0, which is a somewhat out- >of-date version, and it doesn't list any Megahertz modems >at all during setup/installation. As a result, I can't >seem to get it configured in a way that makes the modem >happy. >>I managed to get Kermit running OK with the Megahertz. It was a >>matter of downloading the detailed modem command list from the >>Megahertz bulletin board, and then screwing with all the parameters >>until I got it right. If you like, I could send you the proper >>commands to get the modem working at 14.4 with hardware flow control, >>error correction and compression. Presumably they should work in >>Crosstalk. Andy - I should have been clearer about exactly what troubles I am having with Crosstalk. I can get the modem and the software to work together, but some of the scripts don't work and Crosstalk will occasionally lock-up my machine. For example, when I try to use the Compuserve auto-login script, I get some bizzare error message about a command which can only be executed once online. Apparently the script is trying to issue some Compuserve command before the actual logon has occurred. I too called the Megahertz BBS and downloaded the modem list which they have available for Crosstalk. I copied the updated list to the appropriate Crosstalk directory and set the software up for my specific modem, but no dice. I'm still getting errors when trying to use some of the built-in scripts. And as far as the lock-ups go, I pretty clueless. (Course a lot of people say that about me anyway!) Thanks for your input, Andy. Maybe I'll see what the Crosstalk people have to say next. Thanks, - Karl From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 27 14:48:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28148 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 27 Jul 1994 14:48:06 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19887; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 14:16:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 14:16:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19878; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 14:16:32 -0400 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 1677; Wed, 27 Jul 94 14:16:26 EDT Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 6153; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 14:16:26 EDT Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Wed, 27 Jul 94 14:16:26 EDT Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA26825; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 14:16:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 1994 14:16:22 -0400 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9407271816.AA26825@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Karl Yeanoplos's message of Wed, 27 Jul 94 11:10:07 MDT <9407271710.AA03658@amazon.den.mmc.com> Subject: Communications software Status: OR > I should have been clearer about exactly what troubles I >am having with Crosstalk. I can get the modem and the software to >work together, but some of the scripts don't work and Crosstalk >will occasionally lock-up my machine. Perhaps you should try Kermit, which is free via anonymous FTP from watsun.cc.columbia.edu. I have had the most luck with this software as opposed to other stuff like Windows "Terminal" or the one which came with the modem ("COMit" or something). Of course, although Kermit is free, you have to buy the documentation at a bookstore (around $30, but well worth it). --andy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 27 15:32:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12811 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 27 Jul 1994 15:32:28 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25270; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 15:34:55 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 15:34:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA25261; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 15:34:45 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA03674; Wed, 27 Jul 94 13:34:07 MDT Date: Wed, 27 Jul 94 13:34:07 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9407271934.AA03674@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Communications software Status: OR >Perhaps you should try Kermit, which is free via anonymous FTP from >watsun.cc.columbia.edu. I have had the most luck with this software >as opposed to other stuff like Windows "Terminal" or the one which >came with the modem ("COMit" or something). >Of course, although Kermit is free, you have to buy the documentation >at a bookstore (around $30, but well worth it). >--andy Thanks, Andy. If I decide to give it a try, I'll get back to you for those initialzation strings and other setup parameters you mentioned earlier. - Karl From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jul 27 18:40:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04733 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 27 Jul 1994 18:40:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09518; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 18:46:42 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 18:46:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09503; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 18:46:37 -0400 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 6005; Wed, 27 Jul 94 18:46:32 EDT Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 7371; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 18:46:32 EDT Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Wed, 27 Jul 94 18:46:31 EDT Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA24699; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 18:46:27 -0400 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 1994 18:46:27 -0400 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9407272246.AA24699@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Megahertz modem commands Status: OR Due to popular demand, here are the commands that I use to initialize my Megahertz XJ1144. This was adapted from the setup of a Hayes Ultra 14.4 modem. Note that some of these settings are already the default for the Megahertz, but I left them in anyway. Also, you should set your software bit rate to 57600, this is the maximum speed of the Megahertz modem with compression. --andy ; Initialize the modem. ; ; &D2 Hangup if DTR drops, so Kermit's HANGUP command will work ; E1 Commands are to be echoed ; W1 Enable dialing progress messages ; X4 Enable full range of result codes ; S95=46 Enables reporting of error control, compression, and protocol ; AT &D2 E1 W1 X4 S95=46 ; ; S37=11 Begin modulation negotiations at V.32bis = 14400 bps ; N1 Negotiate highest common modulation ; AT S37=11 N1 ; ; Enable hardware flow control ; AT &K3 ; ; Specify treatment of BREAK signal ; Make modem pass BREAK transparently ; AT S82=128 ; ; Enable error correction and compression ; ; &Q5 Enable error correction ; S36=7 LAPM (V.42) => MNP => ASB (automatic speed buffering) ; S38=1 When DTR from PC goes off, hang up after 1 second ; S46=2 Enable compression ; S48=7 EC and compression negotiation enabled ; AT &Q5 S36=7 S38=1 S46=2 S48=7 From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 28 14:51:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03911 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 28 Jul 1994 14:51:15 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25610; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 14:55:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 14:55:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25584; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 14:55:29 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA25695 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 11:55:24 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id LAA06172 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 11:55:21 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407281855.LAA06172@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Megaherts and Gateway? To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Thu, 28 Jul 1994 11:55:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Those of you who sort of "know me" on the list might know that in addition to my TP750C, I use a Gateway 2000 Desktop Machine (Didn't buy the Gateway Notebooks...I think you can guess why I'd prefer my TP!). At any rate, as a Gateway customer, I am entitled to buying certain peripherals from them and the prices are usually pretty good. I just noticed that they are offering a PCMCIA "X-Jack" modem for $249 (14.4K--by the way, does anyone know how much the MHz X-Jack is going for?). My presumption is that MHz makes this thing and Gateway just puts their name on it, since Gateway really doesn't "manufacture" anything--they just put parts together to form systems. I know that their internal modems are made by U.S. Robotics and are the same as an Internal Sportster, so it stands to reason they may have an agreement with Megahertz to do the same. Can anyone (especially you MHz lurkers) confirm this? And if so, is this "Gateway" model the same as the 1144 or the 1244, or is there some differences in features? I presume if its the same thing with a different label, then it will work fine in my ThinkPad too. I am holding out for the MHz 28.8K V.34 modem and will be curious to see if Gateway will carry their "version" of this MHz PCMCIA modem and how much cheaper (if at all) it will be. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu University of Southern California School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!) - Motorcycle nut, HP 48GX & 100LX user, & lover of fine chocolate... "It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept!" -Calvin "Consensus is the negation of leadership." - Margaret Thatcher From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 28 16:16:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01579 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:16:25 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01556; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:16:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:16:37 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01548; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:16:31 -0400 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 8139; Thu, 28 Jul 94 16:16:20 EDT Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 7669; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:16:20 EDT Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Thu, 28 Jul 94 16:16:19 EDT Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA28801; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:16:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:16:15 -0400 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9407282016.AA28801@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Randal Whittle's message of Thu, 28 Jul 1994 11:55:20 -0700 (PDT) <199407281855.LAA06172@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Megaherts and Gateway? Status: OR > I just noticed that they are offering a PCMCIA "X-Jack" modem for >$249 (14.4K--by the way, does anyone know how much the MHz X-Jack is going >for?). My presumption is that MHz makes this thing and Gateway just puts >their name on it, since Gateway really doesn't "manufacture" anything--they >just put parts together to form systems. Yes, this is true. Megahertz also makes the modem for the Apple Newton. I've seen the XJ1144 advertised in the NY Times for around $179, and the XJ2144 is usually $20 higher. --andy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 28 16:17:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01959 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:17:52 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02372; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:27:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:27:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02358; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:27:13 -0400 Received: from biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (biophysics.bio.rpi.edu [128.113.8.42]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id QAA21224 for <@rpi.edu:TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:23:04 -0400 Received: by biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (920330.SGI/921111.SGI.AUTO) for @rpi.edu:TP750@CS.UTK.EDU id AA15847; Thu, 28 Jul 94 16:24:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 94 16:24:58 -0400 From: arturo@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (Arturo J. Morales) Message-Id: <9407282024.AA15847@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Speaking of MHZ Xjack... Status: OR I'm considering buying a MHZ Xjack modem, but i've seen that they have the standard and a "Gold" version (for extra money, of course). Does anyone know what the difference is? --Art ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Arturo J. Morales | arturo@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu Center For Biophysics and Biochemistry | morala2@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | Troy, NY ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Caveman's Motto: He who hesitates, is lunch... .. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 28 16:55:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13855 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:55:54 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05046; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 17:06:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 17:06:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from technet1.shl.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05039; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 17:06:03 -0400 Received: from mm-gw.shl.com by technet1.shl.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.8) id AA15091; Thu, 28 Jul 94 14:00:38 PDT Received: by mm-gw.shl.com with Microsoft Mail id <2E381D8E@mm-gw.shl.com>; Thu, 28 Jul 94 14:05:18 PDT From: NELSON Tim To: tp750 Subject: RE: Megahertz modem commands Date: Thu, 28 Jul 94 14:01:00 PDT Message-Id: <2E381D8E@mm-gw.shl.com> Encoding: 14 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Status: OR On page 3-2 of the Megahertz reference manual (such as it is) for the XJ1144 there is a reference that says something like "For Rockwell Command modems, error correction and compression ... ENABLED:" AT&F&C1&D2&K3&S1&Q5 I use this string in Hyperaccess, Close-up, Carbon Copy, Microsoft Mail, and Procomm. This works for me. Tim Nelson SHL Systemhouse Inc. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 28 19:12:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12161 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 28 Jul 1994 19:12:42 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12959; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 19:21:55 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 19:21:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12945; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 19:21:41 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA14924; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:18:03 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:22:03 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <58923.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Fw: IBM PC Company Internet Server Status: OR I haven't tested it myself yet, but here's the announcement. HOORAY!!!!! ------------------------------ From: mlaye@VNET.IBM.COM Thu, 28 Jul 94 16:12:14 EDT To: jokim Subject: IBM PC Company Internet Server John, I am pleased to tell you that the Internet server we discussed went on line about 20 minutes ago. I've logged on myself, you'll be interested in the MOBILES directory. That will be where you'll find most of the BIOS and Utility diskettes for our mobile systems. ADDRESS - FTP.PCCO.IBM.COM Enjoy, Mike ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 28 19:22:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13740 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 28 Jul 1994 19:22:20 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12952; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 19:21:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 19:21:46 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12944; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 19:21:38 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA14927; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:18:11 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:22:11 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <58931.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: arturo@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu, TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Speaking of MHZ Xjack... Status: OR In message Thu, 28 Jul 94 16:24:58 -0400, arturo@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (Arturo J. Morales) writes: > I'm considering buying a MHZ Xjack modem, but i've seen > that they have the standard and a "Gold" version (for extra money, of > course). > Does anyone know what the difference is? The 1144 emulates a 16450. The 2144 ("Gold") emulates a 16550. I would get the 1144 only if you plan to use DOS forever. With OS/2 or Windows the extra $$ for the 2144 is well worth it. MSRP for the 2144 is something like $275. Sparco had it for $245 about a month ago when I got mine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Jul 28 23:33:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22539 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 28 Jul 1994 23:33:19 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27839; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 23:54:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 23:54:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kitten.mcs.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27832; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 23:54:47 -0400 Received: by kitten.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.7) id ; Thu, 28 Jul 94 22:54 CDT Received: by mercury.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.1) id ; Thu, 28 Jul 94 22:54 CDT Received: by falkor.chi.il.us (1.65/waf) via UUCP; Thu, 28 Jul 94 22:49:06 CDT for tp750@cs.utk.edu To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Speaking of MHZ Xjack... From: heiby@falkor.chi.il.us (Ron Heiby) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 28 Jul 94 22:46:02 CST In-Reply-To: <58931.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> Organization: DML, Inc., Buffalo Grove, IL Status: OR While it is true that older 1144 modems emulated the 16450, with the C39 version (out in late January?) it also emulated the 16550. However, some dealers still have older stock. Actually, I think that the C40 version is current. I started with the XJ1144 and have moved to the XJ2144. It's main claims to fame are Flash for firmware upgrades and MNP 10 support. I just got a catalog from Computer Discount Warehouse (800-691-4CDW) that shows the XJ2144 at $229.00, but modem prices have been dropping so fast lately that I'd call and ask them what the current price is. Ron. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 29 01:08:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04083 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 29 Jul 1994 01:08:02 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03188; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 01:28:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 01:28:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc7.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03181; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 01:28:36 -0400 From: Message-Id: <9407290528.AA14566@husc7.harvard.edu> Subject: linux disk will be forthcoming... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 1994 01:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Cc: chan4@husc9.harvard.edu (Derek Victor Chan) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Linux diskette will be forthcoming... Wait till the weekend... From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 29 02:28:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10831 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 29 Jul 1994 02:28:01 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06839; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 02:51:10 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 02:51:08 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from werple.apana.org.au by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA06688; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 02:50:03 -0400 Received: (from guardian@localhost) by werple.apana.org.au (8.6.9/8.6.6) id QAA24002; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 16:49:45 +1000 Date: Fri, 29 Jul 1994 16:48:30 +1000 (EST) From: Nick Allan Subject: ftp site at ibm.com To: thinkpad mailinglist Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hi all Has anyone tried this ftp.pcco.ibm.com ftp site I can't get it to let me do anything. It won't give me a directory and it won't let me change directories. Anyone got any suggestions? Regards Nick Guardian@werple.apana.org.au From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 29 06:31:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03098 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 29 Jul 1994 06:31:19 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01514; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 06:46:38 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 06:46:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nic.hookup.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA01495; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 06:46:31 -0400 Received: from vetter.hookup.net (vetter.hookup.net [198.133.162.55]) by nic.hookup.net (8.6.9/1.209) with SMTP id GAA28778; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 06:24:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199407291024.GAA28778@nic.hookup.net> X-Sender: vetter@hookup.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 Jul 1994 06:24:04 -0400 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: vetter@hookup.net (Tim Vetter) Subject: Windows 3.1 memory problems w. 1.30 video drivers X-Mailer: Status: OR I recently upgraded monitors and decided to freshen up my TP750's video drivers to v1.30 to get the latest and greatest support for 1024x768. Now I'm getting a rash of "Insufficient memory to run " errors and the like, even when relatively few programs are running. This with 12 Megs of RAM, and a 29 Meg permanent swapfile. Meanwhile, my desktop machine, with 4 Meg less RAM, a smaller swapfile, and the same 1 Meg of video memory, lets me open 3-4 times as many apps before it bitches. Why the difference? Is there something dodgy about my ThinkPad's setup? I've compared system.ini's between the two machines and there are no glaring differences. Any of you Windows gurus have some ideas? Best, Tim ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Tim Vetter vetter@hookup.net permanent: 73 Warren Road, Kitchener, Ontario N2M4T6 Canada voice (+1)519/579-9904 fax (+1)519/571-9520 contract: Fraass & Partner, Hans-Sachs-Str. 9, 60487 Frankfurt, Germany voice (+49)69/979-100-96 fax (+49)69/702-254 ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 29 10:07:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29659 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 29 Jul 1994 10:07:02 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15652; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 10:23:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 10:23:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15645; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 10:23:32 -0400 Received: from lochness.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA21078; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 09:17:35 -0500 Received: by lochness.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA102819; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 09:20:16 -0500 From: gbu@lochness.uhc.com (Gary Udstrand) Message-Id: <9407291420.AA102819@lochness.uhc.com> Subject: Re: Windows 3.1 memory problems w. 1.30 video drivers To: vetter@hookup.net (Tim Vetter) Date: Fri, 29 Jul 1994 09:20:16 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199407291024.GAA28778@nic.hookup.net> from "Tim Vetter" at Jul 29, 94 06:24:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Status: OR I would guess the difference is in the amount of conventional memory left after all drivers are load (PCMCIA, LAN stuff, etc.). The new video driver may be larger and unable to load high into the same memory area as the old one. Rarely when you run out of resources is it the actual RAM that is exhausted, more often it is windows running out of resources for window handles, etc. [ Tim Vetter said : ] -> -> I recently upgraded monitors and decided to freshen up my TP750's video -> drivers to v1.30 to get the latest and greatest support for 1024x768. Now -> I'm getting a rash of "Insufficient memory to run " errors and the like, -> even when relatively few programs are running. This with 12 Megs of RAM, -> and a 29 Meg permanent swapfile. Meanwhile, my desktop machine, with 4 Meg -> less RAM, a smaller swapfile, and the same 1 Meg of video memory, lets me -> open 3-4 times as many apps before it bitches. -> -> Why the difference? Is there something dodgy about my ThinkPad's setup? -> I've compared system.ini's between the two machines and there are no glaring -> differences. Any of you Windows gurus have some ideas? -> -> Best, -> -> Tim -> -> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -> Tim Vetter vetter@hookup.net -> -> permanent: 73 Warren Road, Kitchener, Ontario N2M4T6 Canada -> voice (+1)519/579-9904 fax (+1)519/571-9520 -> -> contract: Fraass & Partner, Hans-Sachs-Str. 9, 60487 Frankfurt, Germany -> voice (+49)69/979-100-96 fax (+49)69/702-254 -> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -> -> -- __ __ | | o | | Gary Udstrand | | \|/ | | AT&T: (612) 945-6523 Advanced Technology, IS&T | \(_)/ | Fax: (612) 945-6502 United HealthCare Corp \_________/ E-Mail: gbu@uhc.com "A sufficiently high level of technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 29 10:22:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03470 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 29 Jul 1994 10:22:28 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17281; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 10:42:04 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 10:42:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17270; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 10:42:00 -0400 Received: from todd-dial.caenn.wisc.edu (todd-dial.engr.wisc.edu) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.10G/31) id AA067752909; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 09:41:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199407291441.AA067752909@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 29 Jul 1994 09:41:51 -0500 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu (Todd Tannenbaum) Subject: Re: ftp site at ibm.com X-Mailer: Status: OR >Hi all > >Has anyone tried this ftp.pcco.ibm.com ftp site >I can't get it to let me do anything. It won't give me a directory and >it won't let me change directories. Anyone got any suggestions? > must have been a temporary problem... i just tried it, and it worked fine. the interesting stuff is in the MOBILES subdirectory. a description of the files is found in the default directory (one directory up from MOBILES) and is called files.txt. Finally!!!! I think the files are up to date. The versions of the standard Thinkpad 750/755/360/355 disks available there are: BIOS/System v. 1.07a Video v.1.32 Audio v.1.31 Utility v.1.31 Maintenance (?? what is this ??) v.1.10 -Todd p.s. i've been working with IBM & 3COM on getting the 3com pcmcia card to work in the thinkpad port replicator. ibm is sending me some disks fed-ex today; they think they may have fixed the problem. i'll let folks here know when/if it works for me. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 29 12:43:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10981 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 29 Jul 1994 12:43:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26805; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 12:59:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 12:59:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from biobase.aau.dk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA26798; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 12:59:07 -0400 Received: by biobase.aau.dk (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA24103; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 18:58:10 +0200 Message-Id: <9407291658.AA24103@biobase.aau.dk> Subject: RE: Speaking of MHZ Xjack... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 29 Jul 94 18:58:09 MET DST From: Paulo Magalhaes In-Reply-To: ; from "Ron Heiby" at Jul 28, 94 10:46 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL11] Status: OR Hi! I'll be in the US shortly, and I'd like to buy a PCMCIA fax/modem. So, the questions are: 1) does the XJ2144 modem that everybody has been talking about lately handle fax transmissions? 2) If so, does it come with any decent software (I only really need rudimentary stuff, in fact, like faxing out of, for example WfW). 3) If not, can someone provide me with good tips on a good fax/modem? (Prices, places to buy, etc, would be most welcome.) I have a 750Cs running *only* OS/2 2.1, still with a few Windows programs, and some DOS treasures :) Just in case this is important for the information requested. Many thanks, Paulo -- Paulo Magalhaes --- Clinical Genetics, Rigshospitalet, Copenhagen, Denmark voice: +45/35454592 (or ...90) * fax: +45/35454072 * pamaga@biobase.aau.dk From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 29 17:58:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05397 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 29 Jul 1994 17:58:51 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20167; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 18:23:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 18:23:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20160; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 18:23:24 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA18479; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 15:19:57 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 29 Jul 1994 15:23:56 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <55437.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: How to fill your LCD in OS/2 text mode! Status: OR TP OS/2 users: You know how 80x25 text in your OS/2 boxes don't fill the entire screen? And how there's no Ultravision-like utility for OS/2? And how the vertical expansion option with the TP utilities makes for yucky fonts? Here's how to use your entire LCD in OS/2 full screen text mode. mode 80,30 That's it. I had played around with different text screen resolutions a while back but gave up when anything I tried seemed to leave the blank areas at the top and bottom of the screen. I stumbled across this when a file viewer I was checking out threw my screen into 80x30 mode. To make 80x30 the default of your OS/2 full screen boxes, add /K MODE 80,30 in the options section of the settings. I had no idea my LCD was THAT big! :) Whaddaya think Sean, good enough for the FAQ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Jul 29 20:33:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26286 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 29 Jul 1994 20:33:39 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26548; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 21:05:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 21:05:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hp.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA26540; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 21:04:58 -0400 Received: from hpbs3941.boi.hp.com by hp.com with SMTP (1.36.108.7/15.5+IOS 3.13) id AA12614; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 18:04:50 -0700 Received: by hpbs3943.boi.hp.com (1.37.109.8/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA20161; Fri, 29 Jul 1994 19:01:59 -0600 From: Jitendra Kavathekar Message-Id: <9407300101.AA20161@hpbs3943.boi.hp.com> Subject: ibmbbs access thru ftp To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 29 Jul 94 19:01:58 MDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: OR I thought I saw a message stating that we can now access the IBM BBS thru ftp. If this is correct, can some one send me the internet address of the ftp server? Also, I just recently acquired an NEC Multispin 3Xe cdrom drive for use with my TP720 Dock. Problem is that I need a driver. Did anyone else have to go through this? I was hoping I can get it off the BBS server. Thanks for the replies. Jitendra -- Jitendra Kavathekar (208)396-5901 Boise Printer Division, R&D Lab jitendra_kavathekar@mail.boi.hp.com Hewlett-Packard Company From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jul 30 02:55:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29565 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 30 Jul 1994 02:55:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14582; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 03:21:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 03:21:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from top.cis.syr.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14572; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 03:21:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199407300721.DAA14572@CS.UTK.EDU> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 94 3:18:45 EDT From: yetseng@top.cis.syr.edu Subject: SCSI PCMCIA To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR Hi everyone, I plan to purchase a SCSI PCMCIA card for my TP755. So far, I'm interested in QLogic SCSI card, but would like to hear anyone the experiences of PCMCIA SCSI on TP750 or 755. Is there any other SCSI PCMCIA card that I can consider? I'm running OS/2 2.1 now, just wondering if there is any kind of driver supporting PCMCIA SCSI in OS/2. Thanks! -yc From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jul 30 08:01:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21063 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 30 Jul 1994 08:01:39 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04913; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 08:29:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 08:29:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from express.larc.nasa.gov by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA04905; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 08:29:47 -0400 Received: from localhost by express.larc.nasa.gov with SMTP id BA10816 (SMTP/Lite-1.18) for <>>; Sat, 30 Jul 94 08:29:42 -0400 From: RICHARD D PARTOS Date: Sat, 30 Jul 1994 08:26:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: 12 Volt power for TP500 ? To: TP500 List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR How do you power a TP500 on a boat? IBM does not recommend the use of an inverter to power the AC converter (the inverter doesn't produce a sine wave).They also say not to use the 12v ship's battery. Any ideas? |--------------------------------------------------------| | Richard D. Partos Norfolk, VA | | Internet: r.d.partos@larc.nasa.gov | |--------------------------------------------------------| From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jul 30 11:35:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06450 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 30 Jul 1994 11:35:22 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15879; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 12:03:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 12:03:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15871; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 12:03:38 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA09785; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 08:35:27 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id IAA11572; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 08:35:19 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199407301535.IAA11572@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: SCSI PCMCIA To: yetseng@top.cis.syr.edu Date: Sat, 30 Jul 1994 08:35:19 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199407300721.DAA14572@CS.UTK.EDU> from "yetseng@top.cis.syr.edu" at Jul 30, 94 03:18:45 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I plan to purchase a SCSI PCMCIA card for my TP755. So far, I'm > interested in QLogic SCSI card, but would like to hear anyone the > experiences of PCMCIA SCSI on TP750 or 755. Is there any other SCSI > PCMCIA card that I can consider? I'm running OS/2 2.1 now, just > wondering if there is any kind of driver supporting PCMCIA SCSI in > OS/2. Thanks! I don't have any personal experience with this, but if/when I were to get a PCMCIA SCSI card, it would be the one from Adaptec. In standard desktop systems, my best experiences with SCSI have been with boards made by Adaptec, (They really are the most compatible) whereas my less-happy experiences have been with non-Adaptec boards. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jul 30 16:49:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16682 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 30 Jul 1994 16:49:19 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01883; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 17:20:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 17:20:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chenas.inria.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01870; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 17:20:36 -0400 Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA13785; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 23:20:20 +0200 (MET) Received: by asimov.cnam.fr id XAA02075 (8.6.9/ for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sat, 30 Jul 1994 23:20:21 +0200 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Sat, 30 Jul 1994 23:20:21 +0200 Message-Id: <199407302120.XAA02075@asimov.cnam.fr> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP 720 800x600 in windows Status: OR has anyone managed to get the 720C to do windows in higher resolutions? How? I mean on an external monitor, of course! Edmund. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Jul 30 22:52:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21869 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 30 Jul 1994 22:52:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19593; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 23:13:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 23:13:12 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail1.its.rpi.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA19586; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 23:13:11 -0400 Received: from biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (biophysics.bio.rpi.edu [128.113.8.42]) by mail1.its.rpi.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) with SMTP id XAA15794 for <@rpi.edu:TP750@CS.UTK.EDU>; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 23:13:08 -0400 Received: by biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (920330.SGI/921111.SGI.AUTO) for @rpi.edu:TP750@CS.UTK.EDU id AA00873; Sat, 30 Jul 94 23:15:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 94 23:15:02 -0400 From: arturo@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (Arturo J. Morales) Message-Id: <9407310315.AA00873@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Making A Full DOS Boot Disk while using OS/2 Status: OR I'm running OS/2 2.1, and as most of you know already, some, if not all dos applications that use Sound (soundblaster and such) are very obnoxious when running from within OS/2 (even in a DOS full screen session). The only solution I can think of, is to have a DOS boot disk with all the DOS drivers installed (mouse, audio, etc) for the TP750. Here's the catch, how do I do this when i don't have a bootable DOS partition in the TP? i have access to other PC's, but i don't know if the install disks will install the audio features on another non TP computer so that i can then copy the drivers to my floppy... Any suggestions? --Art ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Arturo J. Morales | arturo@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu Center For Biophysics and Biochemistry | morala2@rpi.edu Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute | Troy, NY ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Caveman's Motto: He who hesitates, is lunch... .. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Jul 31 17:27:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01531 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 31 Jul 1994 17:27:22 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27621; Sun, 31 Jul 1994 17:56:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 31 Jul 1994 17:56:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA27607; Sun, 31 Jul 1994 17:56:33 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA27339 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Sun, 31 Jul 1994 16:56:12 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199407312156.AA27339@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: Making A Full DOS Boot Disk while using OS/2 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Sun, 31 Jul 1994 16:56:11 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <9407310315.AA00873@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu> from "Arturo J. Morales" at Jul 30, 94 11:14:48 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > only solution I can think of, is to have a DOS boot disk with all the > DOS drivers installed (mouse, audio, etc) for the TP750. Here's the catch, > how do I do this when i don't have a bootable DOS partition in the TP? > i have access to other PC's, but i don't know if the install disks will > install the audio features on another non TP computer so that i > can then copy the drivers to my floppy... Any suggestions? Make a boot disk using your other PC. Then run the DOS audio install on the other PC and copy those files onto the floppy (changing the proper drive letters in the CONFIG.SYS of course). Alternately, you could just make a config.sys and copy the proper files onto a floppy (I think the files are just on the audio disk unarchived so they can just be copied). Remember, all you really need for the soundblaster emulation is the svaudio driver running. And lastly, the emulation probably won't be much better. I'd recommend waiting until games start to use MMOS more (or Chicago's game thing). Once DOOM/2 comes out, what more will you need? :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 1 10:05:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23680 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 Aug 1994 10:05:51 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00504; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 10:24:48 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 10:24:46 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA00497; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 10:24:45 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id HAA01667 for ; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 07:24:42 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id HAA07106 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 07:24:41 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199408011424.HAA07106@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: MIDI audio with TP750C To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 07:24:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR I don't know what the rest of you think, but that MIDI audio in the TP750 *stinks*. Does anyone else feel the same? (I am speaking of under Windows). Has there been any major improvements in more recent audio driver releases? ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 1 10:44:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04021 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 Aug 1994 10:44:10 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03374; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:02:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:02:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA03340; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:02:38 -0400 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 3585; Mon, 01 Aug 94 11:02:29 EDT Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 9235; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:02:29 EDT Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Mon, 01 Aug 94 11:02:26 EDT Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA20609; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:02:20 -0400 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:02:20 -0400 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9408011502.AA20609@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Megahertz prices Status: OR for those interested, here are the prices on the Megahertz modem from last Tuesday's NY Times. However, don't ask me about the reputation/sleaze factor involved with these places, I just don't know!! Tri State Computer, 800 433-5199 XJ1144 $179 XJ2144 $199 47 Street Photo, 800-235-5016 XJ1144 $199 Also, I have seen cheap prices (under $200) at CompUSA and J&R Computer World. --andy From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 1 11:58:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28161 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:58:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08949; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 12:13:52 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 12:13:50 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08933; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 12:13:34 -0400 From: Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxbca22246; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 12:13:15 -0400 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29152; Mon, 1 Aug 94 09:03:36 PDT Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA15225; Mon, 1 Aug 94 09:13:59 PDT Received: from localhost by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19287; Mon, 1 Aug 94 09:11:07 PDT Message-Id: <9408011611.AA19287@opus.objy.com> To: arturo@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu (Arturo J. Morales) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Making A Full DOS Boot Disk while using OS/2 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 30 Jul 94 23:15:02 EDT." <9407310315.AA00873@biophysics.bio.rpi.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4 6/24/94 Date: Mon, 01 Aug 94 09:11:04 -0700 Status: OR > > I'm running OS/2 2.1, and as most of you know already, some, if not all > dos applications that use Sound (soundblaster and such) are very obnoxious > when running from within OS/2 (even in a DOS full screen session). The > only solution I can think of, is to have a DOS boot disk with all the > DOS drivers installed (mouse, audio, etc) for the TP750. Here's the catch, > how do I do this when i don't have a bootable DOS partition in the TP? > i have access to other PC's, but i don't know if the install disks will > install the audio features on another non TP computer so that i > can then copy the drivers to my floppy... Any suggestions? How about using dual-boot? This allows both DOS and OS/2 to coexist on the same drive and switching is accomplished via the "boot" command. All it really does is swap in the appropriate loader (a hidden file) and config.sys into the root directory and reboot. I've used it for a couple of years now and am quite pleased with it. --Bruce From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 1 14:31:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14893 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:31:07 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17410; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:15:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:15:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17389; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:15:19 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA27748; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:11:46 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 11:15:48 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <40548.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Future of Thinkpads? Status: OR A recent posting in the OS/2 newsgroups said according to the author's contacts at IBM and/or stuff he'd read in OS/2 magazines, IBM is going to build Personal Dictation System (voice recognition) hardware into its future Thinkpads. And I was hoping I wouldn't have to replace my 750 for a few years. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 1 14:44:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19195 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:44:08 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19157; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:40:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:40:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19143; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 14:40:17 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA28197 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 1 Aug 1994 13:39:58 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199408011839.AA28197@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: MIDI audio with TP750C To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 13:39:57 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199408011424.HAA07106@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Aug 1, 94 07:24:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I don't know what the rest of you think, but that MIDI audio > in the TP750 *stinks*. Does anyone else feel the same? (I am speaking > of under Windows). Has there been any major improvements in more recent > audio driver releases? This is the FIRST thing that John Kim and I agreed on in regards to TP audio! Before the list was made in fact. I haven't noticed any improvement, but hopefully, they will work on the audio more! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Aug 1 15:38:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07365 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 1 Aug 1994 15:38:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14751; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 13:47:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 13:47:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chenas.inria.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA14740; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 13:47:19 -0400 Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA19768; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 19:47:15 +0200 (MET) Received: by asimov.cnam.fr id TAA27195 (8.6.9/); Mon, 1 Aug 1994 19:47:14 +0200 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 19:47:14 +0200 Message-Id: <199408011747.TAA27195@asimov.cnam.fr> To: stevens@watson.ibm.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Megahertz prices Status: OR 47 th street photo, in my experience don't have best prices, but they don't screw the walk-in customer either. They also sell you latest models rather than old junk, eve if you are not smart enough to know better. This is why european types like me love them. Edmund. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Aug 2 11:49:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01291 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 2 Aug 1994 11:49:12 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11751; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 11:55:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 11:55:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11733; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 11:55:21 -0400 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA20353 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 01:55:13 +1000 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 01:55:06 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson Subject: prolonging battery life To: tp750 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I've just placed the order with IBM for a TP360. I'm now looking for a wordprocessor that's battery friendly. I currently use Word 2.0c, but it appears to be too disk intensive for my little battery. Toshiba took pleasure in telling me Claris Works only fires up the hard drive for saves and loads, but I know noone that can verify this. IF anyone has found a battery friendly windows based wordprocessor could they please let me know. I'd still use Word for my presentation quality work (hell I've paid for it I may as well use it!), so the wordprocessor doesn't need to be a DTP system! --- Rohan Davidson "On the way to the station this morning I passed a couple of bums. It hurt quite a bit at first, but I soon got over it." From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Aug 2 12:34:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14050 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 2 Aug 1994 12:34:15 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14548; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 12:37:05 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 12:36:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14528; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 12:36:50 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA12662; Tue, 2 Aug 94 12:36:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 94 12:36:39 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408021636.AA12662@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 755C first impressions Status: OR I just took delivery of a 755C from Rockwell Computers in NYC (which is an authorized dealer, they had it in stock). I paid about $5400 for the base machine with a 170MB drive I added a 32MB card ($2400, which is a bit high, but I really didn't feel like running around, and preferred to get a package from the dealer) I added an 810MB hard disk ($1885, which I think is a fairly reasonable price, I have seen much higher quotes). The disk and memory were not in stock, but arrived overnight, so I got it the next day. The TFT is pixel perfect, which is nice, my previous 750C had two bad pixels. Of course pixels can go bad, so we will see. By the way, the 810 M drive arrived with a little rubber bumper that needs to be installed on a 750 or earlier machine to minimize disk vibration. SOunds like it might be an idea to install this rubber bumper on earlier machines regardless. Very nice machine. More than twice the speed of the 750C, and all seems to be working fine. Same batteries as the 750C, don't know enough to comment on battery life yet. Does anyone know what the story is on the 100MHz upgrade for this machine? Incidentally, my information is that IBM is not shipping machines with the 810M drive installed, so I have ended up with an extra 170MB drive from this transaction! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Aug 2 16:25:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21406 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 2 Aug 1994 16:25:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02655; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 16:42:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 16:42:46 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02643; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 16:42:34 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA03967 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Tue, 2 Aug 1994 16:42:18 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA24021; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 16:43:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 16:43:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: OEM drives for thinkpads To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I found the following q&a on IBM's talklink service. Does anyone know if there are OEM drives for the 700/720? If so the same manufacturer may make them for the 750. I cannot believe this particular document since the 700/720 use ESDI drives not IDE. Perhaps an internal IBM'er can get the name of the OEM referred to in this doc. Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu Item 2703N Document ID Q654154 TITLE: 940208 240 MEG DRIVES FOR THE THINKPAD ....[2 questions deleted] Also, there is a third-party that says they have 340 meg IDE drives that will work with the thinkpad 700C, 720C. I know that IBM would not support this, but have you heard of any larger drives for the thinkpad? ---------- ---------- ---------- --------- ---------- ---------- As for 3rd party drives, we are not in a position to comment. It is entirely possible for an OEM vendor to have hard drives that will work in our systems, but, before you consider purchasing such, you need to confirm that they have tested their product in the system you have, and that they will support it if there is any problem. ---------- ---------- ---------- --------- ---------- ---------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Aug 2 21:04:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05943 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:04:18 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19325; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:26:19 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:26:17 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from husc8.harvard.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19318; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:26:14 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:20:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Malaby Subject: Swapfile question... To: Thinkpad Mailing List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hello Everyone: I just received my TP360cs yesterday, and I'm very happy with it (even though it was a month late). Many thanks to all who responded to my previous post on fax/modems; I'm waiting until about three weeks before I leave the country before I buy it to get the lowest price. Anyway, my first question is about the swapfile option in windows (which I just saw mentioned a few posts ago). I swore by it on my old 386SX, but on this machine, I was afraid it would invite hard disk access, and thus lower battery life. Can someone set me straight? BTW, I have 8MB RAM and a 170MB HD with plenty of room. Thanks in advance. malaby@husc.harvard.edu Department of Anthropology, Harvard University "The plate of the hunter, the gambler, and the fisherman is nine times empty and one time full." --Cretan Proverb From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Aug 2 21:24:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10575 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:24:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20431; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:48:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:48:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chenas.inria.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA20424; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:48:21 -0400 Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA00676; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 03:48:16 +0200 (MET) Received: by asimov.cnam.fr id DAA12913 (8.6.9/ for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 03:48:14 +0200 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 03:48:14 +0200 Message-Id: <199408030148.DAA12913@asimov.cnam.fr> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: stacked ramdisk Status: OR has anyone tried putting windows in a stacked ramdisk? is this possible? Edmund. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Tue Aug 2 21:34:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12458 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 2 Aug 1994 21:34:00 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15131; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 20:15:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 20:15:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15113; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 20:15:15 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA08148; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 17:15:05 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id RAA20890; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 17:14:57 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199408030014.RAA20890@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: prolonging battery life To: cs322612@mailbox.uq.oz.au (Rohan Davidson) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 17:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Rohan Davidson" at Aug 3, 94 01:55:06 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > I've just placed the order with IBM for a TP360. I'm now looking for a > wordprocessor that's battery friendly. I currently use Word 2.0c, but it > appears to be too disk intensive for my little battery. Toshiba took > pleasure in telling me Claris Works only fires up the hard drive for saves > and loads, but I know noone that can verify this. IF anyone has found a > battery friendly windows based wordprocessor could they please let me > know. I'd still use Word for my presentation quality work (hell I've > paid for it I may as well use it!), so the wordprocessor doesn't need to > be a DTP system! Having more memory makes a big difference--otherwise the disk activity you see may well be the swapfile activity. I use Ami Pro with no apparent disk activity (but I also have 12 MB) except for saves, loads, and spell checks. Maybe something else, but certainly not a lot. ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Wed Aug 3 00:36:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10439 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 00:36:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27735; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 23:42:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 23:42:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27727; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 23:42:39 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id UAA18483; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 20:42:36 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id UAA11667; Tue, 2 Aug 1994 20:42:35 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199408030342.UAA11667@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: stacked ramdisk To: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 20:42:35 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@cs.utk.edu (TP) In-Reply-To: <199408030148.DAA12913@asimov.cnam.fr> from "Edmund Ronald" at Aug 3, 94 03:48:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > has anyone tried putting windows in a stacked ramdisk? is this possible? > Edmund. I haven't tried doing it--and I wouldn't, unless I had a veritable *buttload* of memory. If you use up all of it putting Windows on a RAM disk its sort of self-defeating because Windows will immediately start swapping to disk. Then there's the time of when you boot up, copying everything to the RAM disk, and when you're done, re-copying everything back to the hard drive before shutdown (otherwise you'd lose all modifications in .INI files, etc.). Too much trouble, if you ask me... ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 3 03:15:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21318 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 03:15:19 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10957; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 03:34:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 03:34:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from uxa.cso.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA10950; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 03:34:46 -0400 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA19542 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for tp750@cs.utk.edu); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 02:34:27 -0500 From: Sean Chou Message-Id: <199408030734.AA19542@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: stacked ramdisk To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (tp) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 02:34:26 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <199408030342.UAA11667@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Aug 2, 94 08:42:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > I haven't tried doing it--and I wouldn't, unless I had a veritable > *buttload* of memory. If you use up all of it putting Windows on a RAM > disk its sort of self-defeating because Windows will immediately start > swapping to disk. Now, to get it on a flash card is a whole different story! :) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 3 10:53:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24059 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 10:53:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14162; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 10:58:15 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 10:58:09 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14134; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 10:58:06 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id HAA11390; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 07:58:02 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id HAA14849; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 07:58:00 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199408031458.HAA14849@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: stacked ramdisk To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 07:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199408030734.AA19542@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Aug 3, 94 02:34:26 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR > > > I haven't tried doing it--and I wouldn't, unless I had a veritable > > *buttload* of memory. If you use up all of it putting Windows on a RAM > > disk its sort of self-defeating because Windows will immediately start > > swapping to disk. > > Now, to get it on a flash card is a whole different story! :) And a very *expensive* one too! Also, Flash memory (I know this from having a 5MB Flash Card in my HP 100 LX) is *very* slow to write to (faster than a floppy disk write, but not by a whole lot), although its a pretty quick read. So, considering the write speed, Flash wouldn't be a real good solution (unless you're on an HP Omnibook--there's not much other choice!). ----- Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | My opinions are mine, but | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)| since I'm right, they should | (How's this for a snotty .sig? Well, I guess | be yours too. | it's better than an ASCII of a nude woman!) From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 3 12:21:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18601 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:20:54 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20331; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:17:31 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:17:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20307; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:16:58 -0400 Subject: Drive upgrade on Thinkpads To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:16:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Tyhurst X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9408031216.aa22999@dogmead.excelsior.com> Status: OR I went ahead and purchased a 540 megabyte IBM OEM drive from Micro Machines for $695, and replaced my 360Cs' 170 megabyte drive. No problems in the installation (the form factors are identical) and the device appears to work just fine. The only oddity so far is that 32 bit disk access no longer works in Windows for Workgroups -- the WDCTL device driver complains about a phase error at 07,1F when starting up. Anybody have any hints on that one? Turning off 32 bit access permits WfW to start up normally. As previously posted on the list: Micro Machines 2120 Howell Ave, Suite 404-405 Anaheim, CA 92806 (714) 978-2220 Here are some drive specs: DHAA-2540 P/N 84G2983 MLC D43825 540 megabytes: 1047 cyl, 16 heads, 63 sec/track, 12 msec avg. sec. Of course, I now have a 2.5" 170 megabyte drive without a case :-( Has anybody been successful in prying one of the bare cases out of IBM yet? I note that there are three part numbers on my removable drive case sticker: FRU P/N 66G5066 ASM P/N 66G2652 66G3767 Maybe one of these corresponds to just the plastic case (and cable?) -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 3 12:57:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29200 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:57:29 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23500; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 13:01:13 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 13:01:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23490; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 13:01:07 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA06881 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 13:01:03 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA02982; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 13:02:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 13:02:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: Re: Drive upgrade on Thinkpads To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9408031216.aa22999@dogmead.excelsior.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Wed, 3 Aug 1994, Tim Tyhurst wrote: > I went ahead and purchased a 540 megabyte IBM OEM drive from Micro > Machines for $695, and replaced my 360Cs' 170 megabyte drive. No problems in > the installation (the form factors are identical) and the device appears > to work just fine. The only oddity so far is that 32 bit disk access no > longer works in Windows for Workgroups -- the WDCTL device driver complains > about a phase error at 07,1F when starting up. Anybody have any hints > on that one? Turning off 32 bit access permits WfW to start up normally. Perhaps someone should start buying the 170MB drives from IBM, take off the casing, then buy the 810MB OEM drive from IBM without the case and then sell the 810MB drive with the case. I bet it would still be cheaper than buying the 810MB drive directly from IBM. As for the 32bit disk access problem, I remember reading somewhere (maybe here on this list) that it would not work with drives larger than ~512MB. Seems odd to me because I thought 32bit means you can address up to 4GB (at least thats the way it works with memory). Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 3 12:58:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29398 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:58:22 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23082; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:54:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:54:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA23075; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 12:54:32 -0400 Received: from lochness.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA11915; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:48:37 -0500 Received: by lochness.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA125577; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:51:18 -0500 From: gbu@lochness.uhc.com (Gary Udstrand) Message-Id: <9408031651.AA125577@lochness.uhc.com> Subject: Re: Drive upgrade on Thinkpads To: tim@excelsior.com (Tim Tyhurst) Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:51:18 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9408031216.aa22999@dogmead.excelsior.com> from "Tim Tyhurst" at Aug 3, 94 12:16:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Status: OR The number of cylinders on the 540 exceeds what 32 bit access will work with. You need to divide your rive into two or more logical volumes with neither on exceeding 512 MB (I think). [ Tim Tyhurst said : ] -> -> I went ahead and purchased a 540 megabyte IBM OEM drive from Micro -> Machines for $695, and replaced my 360Cs' 170 megabyte drive. No problems in -> the installation (the form factors are identical) and the device appears -> to work just fine. The only oddity so far is that 32 bit disk access no -> longer works in Windows for Workgroups -- the WDCTL device driver complains -> about a phase error at 07,1F when starting up. Anybody have any hints -> on that one? Turning off 32 bit access permits WfW to start up normally. -> -> As previously posted on the list: -> -> Micro Machines -> 2120 Howell Ave, Suite 404-405 -> Anaheim, CA -> 92806 -> (714) 978-2220 -> -> Here are some drive specs: -> -> DHAA-2540 -> P/N 84G2983 -> MLC D43825 -> 540 megabytes: 1047 cyl, 16 heads, 63 sec/track, 12 msec avg. sec. -> -> Of course, I now have a 2.5" 170 megabyte drive without a case :-( -> Has anybody been successful in prying one of the bare cases out of IBM yet? -> I note that there are three part numbers on my removable drive case sticker: -> -> FRU P/N 66G5066 -> ASM P/N 66G2652 -> 66G3767 -> -> Maybe one of these corresponds to just the plastic case (and cable?) -> -> -- -> Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com -> -- __ __ | | o | | Gary Udstrand | | \|/ | | AT&T: (612) 945-6523 Advanced Technology, IS&T | \(_)/ | Fax: (612) 945-6502 United HealthCare Corp \_________/ E-Mail: gbu@uhc.com "A sufficiently high level of technology is indistinguishable from magic." -Arthur C. Clarke From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 3 14:06:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19469 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:06:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27047; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:12:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:12:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA27038; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:12:29 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA02793; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:09:04 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 11:13:09 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <40389.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Drive upgrade on Thinkpads Status: OR In message Wed, 3 Aug 1994 13:02:05 -0400 (EDT), Joshua Hosseinoff writes: > As for the 32bit disk access problem, I remember reading somewhere (maybe > here on this list) that it would not work with drives larger than > ~512MB. Seems odd to me because I thought 32bit means you can address up > to 4GB (at least thats the way it works with memory). 512 MB is an IDE specification limit. The newer IDE drives get around it by using Western Digital's enhanced IDE specification, which uses the BIOS. 32-bit disk access bypasses the BIOS so it won't work. This is also why the TP750 will need a flash BIOS upgrade before it can use the larger drives. (The 360 and 755 already have the updated BIOS) If you really really want 32-bit disk access, you should be able to partition your disk as 512 MB (waste the remaining 28 MB). When did Micro Machines get the 540 MB drives? They didn't have any a month ago. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 3 14:57:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06053 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 14:57:26 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01591; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 15:07:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 15:07:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01574; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 15:07:53 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA12948 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 15:07:45 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA26057; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 15:08:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 15:08:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: Re: Drive upgrade on Thinkpads To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9408031216.aa22999@dogmead.excelsior.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR > Of course, I now have a 2.5" 170 megabyte drive without a case :-( > Has anybody been successful in prying one of the bare cases out of IBM yet? > I note that there are three part numbers on my removable drive case sticker: > I was calling around to some IBM reseller companies and one of them told me that you can get a kit for $35 that will let you use the 2.5 hard drive without the case in a desktop. They also sell the OEM hard drives believe. The place was: Data Storage Marketing 5718 Central Avenue Boulder, CO 80301 800-543-6098 Ask for Brad Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Aug 3 17:00:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16299 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 3 Aug 1994 17:00:07 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11133; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 17:12:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 17:12:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11028; Wed, 3 Aug 1994 17:12:13 -0400 Subject: Re: Drive upgrade on Thinkpads To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Wed, 3 Aug 1994 17:11:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Tim Tyhurst In-Reply-To: <40389.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> from "John Kim" at Aug 3, 94 11:13:09 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9408031711.aa28684@dogmead.excelsior.com> Status: OR > 512 MB is an IDE specification limit. The newer IDE drives get around it by > using Western Digital's enhanced IDE specification, which uses the BIOS. > 32-bit disk access bypasses the BIOS so it won't work. This is also why the > TP750 will need a flash BIOS upgrade before it can use the larger drives. > (The 360 and 755 already have the updated BIOS) Ah, that explains it. Actually, at first, the problem looked worse than it was, because I had the 1024x768x256 driver installed. When the WfW driver complained, it tried to write its message in text mode, but that just garbled the video mode. It then waited for me to press Enter, but I had no idea it was waiting... anyway, you get the idea. That might be handy to remember in other cases, too -- if Windows appears to hang silently at startup, make sure you have the standard VGA driver installed so you can see any potential driver startup complaints. > If you really really want 32-bit disk access, you should be able to > partition your disk as 512 MB (waste the remaining 28 MB). What? Waste a whole 28 MB? I don't think so! :-) But actually, my primary DOS partition is currently only 360 megabytes -- I've set aside the rest for another operating system. I may try more experiments when I have time, though. > When did Micro Machines get the 540 MB drives? They didn't have any a month > ago. Well, I called them asking about the 340 MB devices, and they didn't have any, but said they could get them, so I just asked them if they could get a 540 MB drive instead. No problem -- they shipped it within a couple of days of my placing the order. I'm a satisfied customer. -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 4 06:40:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27842 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 4 Aug 1994 06:40:52 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06117; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 07:06:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 07:06:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.ntt.jp by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA06108; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 07:06:18 -0400 Received: by mail.ntt.jp (8.6.9/COREMAIL.4); Thu, 4 Aug 1994 20:06:10 +0900 Received: by gulag.ntt.jp (8.6.9/core*brl.mx12) with TCP; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 20:06:09 +0900 Received: by will.ntt.jp (4.1/core*brl.s7) with TCP; Thu, 4 Aug 94 20:04:32 JST Message-Id: <9408041104.AA14807@will.ntt.jp> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: iwasaki@will.ntt.jp Subject: IPMD on th750c Date: Thu, 04 Aug 94 20:04:32 +0900 From: IWASAKI Yuzuru Status: OR I'm new to this mailing list. I have Think pad 750c with 20mb ram and dock running OS/2 J2.11 (Japanese version of OS/2 2.11). TP750 is fine itself, but I have some trouble using IPMD (OS/2 debugger). IPMD dose not work with th750c, it stopps as soon as I begin the debugging session. Toll free IBM call said that tp750 had hardware trouble with using IPMD. Is it true? Dose anyone run IPMD on tp750 ? --------------------------------------- Iwasaki Yuzuru {+81-462,0462}-40-3526 FAX:{+81-462,0462}-40-4719 iwasaki@will.NTT.jp --------------------------------------- From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 4 13:21:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23641 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 4 Aug 1994 13:21:12 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27991; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 12:39:41 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 12:39:40 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom4.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27984; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 12:39:36 -0400 Received: by netcom4.netcom.com (8.6.8.1/Netcom) id JAA22548; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 09:39:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 1994 09:39:39 -0700 (PDT) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: IPMD on th750c To: IWASAKI Yuzuru Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, iwasaki@will.ntt.jp In-Reply-To: <9408041104.AA14807@will.ntt.jp> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Curious I have exactly your configuration and have run IPMD without problems. I have all of the latest CSD'd applied so maybe this would help you. The CSD's can be found at ftp-os2.cdrom.com Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM On Thu, 4 Aug 1994, IWASAKI Yuzuru wrote: > I'm new to this mailing list. I have Think pad 750c with 20mb ram > and dock running OS/2 J2.11 (Japanese version of OS/2 2.11). TP750 > is fine itself, but I have some trouble using IPMD (OS/2 debugger). > IPMD dose not work with th750c, it stopps as soon as I begin the debugging > session. Toll free IBM call said that tp750 had hardware trouble with > using IPMD. Is it true? Dose anyone run IPMD on tp750 ? > > --------------------------------------- > Iwasaki Yuzuru > {+81-462,0462}-40-3526 FAX:{+81-462,0462}-40-4719 > iwasaki@will.NTT.jp > --------------------------------------- > > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Thu Aug 4 22:51:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19974 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 4 Aug 1994 22:50:57 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10439; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 23:07:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 23:07:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from handel.cs.colostate.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10432; Thu, 4 Aug 1994 23:07:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199408050307.XAA10432@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by handel.cs.colostate.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25353; Thu, 4 Aug 94 21:08:32 -0600 From: joseph foss Subject: Suggestions on Memory Manager To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 4 Aug 94 21:08:31 MDT Mailer: Elm [revision: 70.85] Status: OR I have been put in charge of getting our new managers TP750c onto our token ring LAN. Since he gets to call the shots he chose Windows as his enviroment of choice instead of OS/2. Because of DOS's built in short comings the Thinkpad configuration breaks everytime he installs something new. Ive configured his 750c with IBM's LSP and lan requestor, the standard suite of socket and cardservice drivers for dos, the SVGA drivers and the CD-ROM drivers. Hes also running pc3270 for windows, ACK! Unfortunately the cd-rom breaks most everything. I dont have to much experience with DOS, mainly OS/2 and Un*x, and would really appreciate a hand in choosing a 3rd party memory manager or a finding a way to get himem.sys and emm386.sys to divy out memory better. All of the other 750's Ive setup under OS/2 have been snaps and have yet to land back on my desk for modifications to the software configuration. However his has been like a boomer-rang. Im getting fustrated, hes piss-off. Equipment list 750c Dock I CD-ROM 20Mgs RAM ~300Mg HD 16/4 PCMCIA IBM token ring adaptor. 14.4 PCMCIA MegaHertz X/jack modem? BEGIN SOAPBOX If he says he wants Chicago I think Ill barf on his shoes since I can install OS/2 under site license for damn near free; AND it works! END SOAPBOX Thanks for your help. Joe Foss fossj@handel.cs.colostate.edu From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Aug 5 06:11:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06116 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 5 Aug 1994 06:10:58 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10554; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 06:35:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 06:35:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from pobox.ucs.umass.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA10543; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 06:35:24 -0400 Received: from titan.ucs.umass.edu by pobox.ucs.umass.edu (PMDF V4.3-8 #6523) id <01HFJH53O2KW00LKBK@pobox.ucs.umass.edu>; Fri, 05 Aug 1994 06:35:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (dtodd@localhost) by titan.ucs.umass.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id GAA18082 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 06:35:20 -0400 Date: Fri, 05 Aug 1994 06:35:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "David M. Todd" Subject: Possible to double 700 & 750 processors? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <199408051035.GAA18082@titan.ucs.umass.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR Someone selling a tp700 said that the processor could be doubled, and I hand't seen anything about that before. Is it true? what about the 750? And if it is true, are the "overdrive" chips proprietary? What about heat problems? Thanks. ._________________________________________________________________. | David M. Todd David.Todd@Psych.UMass.EDU | | Department of Psychology DTodd@Titan.UCS.UMass.EDU | | University of Massachusetts Phone: 413/545-0158 | |_Amherst, MA 01003 USA_________________________Fax: 413/545-0996_| From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Aug 5 08:19:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12649 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 5 Aug 1994 08:19:27 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16468; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 08:34:42 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 08:34:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA16450; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 08:34:32 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA22711 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Fri, 5 Aug 1994 08:34:26 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA23180; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 08:35:27 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 08:35:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff Subject: Re: Possible to double 700 & 750 processors? To: "David M. Todd" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199408051035.GAA18082@titan.ucs.umass.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR The 700 can be doubled. In fact I just did it on mine 2 days ago. You can get it for $99 from IBM factory outlet (800-426-7015). The part is 54G0935 for the 700C, or 54G1032 for the 700. The price used to be $525 so get it while you still can. It's a user installable kit, and it come with a handy chip removal tool. The whole process including the required reinstallation of the reference diskette took less than 1/2 hour. As for the 750 there is no processor upgrade. Josh Hosseinoff hosseino@yu1.yu.edu On Fri, 5 Aug 1994, David M. Todd wrote: > Someone selling a tp700 said that the processor could be doubled, and > I hand't seen anything about that before.Is it true? what about the > 750?And if it is true, are the "overdrive" chips proprietary? What > about heat problems? > > Thanks. > ._________________________________________________________________. > | David M. Todd David.Todd@Psych.UMass.EDU | > | Department of Psychology DTodd@Titan.UCS.UMass.EDU | > | University of Massachusetts Phone: 413/545-0158 | > |_Amherst, MA 01003 USA_________________________Fax: 413/545-0996_| > > > From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Aug 5 13:53:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04706 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 5 Aug 1994 13:53:54 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12099; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 13:35:11 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 13:35:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12069; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 13:34:52 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA18744; Fri, 5 Aug 94 13:34:26 -0400 Date: Fri, 5 Aug 94 13:34:26 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408051734.AA18744@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: david.todd@psych.umass.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Possible to double 700 & 750 processors? Status: OR 700 can be doubled to be equivalent to 720, i.e. it uses the 25/50 IBM SLC processor. Note this processor uses a 16-bit bus, so it is not as fast as it sounds! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Fri Aug 5 18:55:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10464 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 5 Aug 1994 18:55:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07868; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 19:23:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 19:23:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chs.claremont.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07858; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 19:23:49 -0400 Received: by chs.claremont.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.3) id AA08926; Fri, 5 Aug 1994 16:20:15 -0700 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 5 Aug 1994 16:24:19 -0800 (PST) From: "John Kim" Sender: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Reply-To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu Message-Id: <59059.jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Possible to double 700 & 750 processors? Status: OR In message Fri, 5 Aug 94 13:34:26 -0400, dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) writes: > 700 can be doubled to be equivalent to 720, i.e. it uses the 25/50 IBM > SLC processor. Note this processor uses a 16-bit bus, so it is not > as fast as it sounds! It also has a 16k cache (the Intel 486?X and ?X2 processors have an 8k cache), so it is not as slow as it sounds either. :) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@jarthur.cs.hmc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 6 01:35:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17662 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 6 Aug 1994 01:35:37 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28174; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 01:43:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 01:43:29 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA28167; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 01:43:26 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA21507; Sat, 6 Aug 94 01:43:12 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 94 01:43:12 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408060543.AA21507@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: jokim@chs.cusd.claremont.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Possible to double 700 & 750 processors? Status: OR "it [25/50 SLC] is not as slow as it sounds. To put this in some perspective, the 750 is a lot faster than the 720 so that means that a 33MHz DX is faster than the 25/50 SLC. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 6 10:23:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21954 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 6 Aug 1994 10:22:57 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11629; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 10:45:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 10:45:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from brolga.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA11608; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 10:45:23 -0400 Received: from brolga.cc.uq.oz.au (actually localhost) by brolga.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP (PP); Sun, 7 Aug 1994 00:45:12 +1000 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 00:45:08 +1000 (EST) From: Anthony Murdoch Subject: OS/2 Performance Edition & PCMCIA modems in TP750 To: TP In-Reply-To: <199408030014.RAA20890@aludra.usc.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR Hi all, I finally received my extra 4MB of RAM for my Thinkpad 750, so I immediately installed the OS/2 performance edition that I've been waiting to install (actually, it's been installed on my desktop for a couple of weeks). It works pretty well (even in this measly 8MB RAM), but what really surprised me was that the PCMCIA support recognises my IBM Fax/Modem (Banksia rebadged). I had heard that it was necessary to run a DOS session with the DOS drivers in it and then it was possible to use COM2 from OS2 programs. But I didn't need to do that at all. I installed the OS2 utilities from the support disk (1.2 I think) and easyplay recognised the card straight off. Seems to work without a hitch (I'm using it as I type). Anyhow, I just thought you'd like to know. Cheers ant From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 6 14:16:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15952 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 6 Aug 1994 14:16:00 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26157; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 14:38:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 14:38:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA26150; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 14:38:11 -0400 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA17895 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 7 Aug 1994 04:38:20 +1000 Date: Sun, 7 Aug 1994 04:38:15 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson Subject: magnetic interference and laptops. To: tp750 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR I have a twist to the question that seems to be as old as laptops themselves. I've heard many opinions on whether airport x-ray machines effect the workings of a laptop, but never seen any opinions on those 3M thingies they seem to hold so dear in university libraries: the ones that detect uncleared books passing through some sort of a field. Does this pose no risk or should one make sure the laptop doesn't pass through these? Anyone with any experience? From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 6 14:39:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18172 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 6 Aug 1994 14:39:01 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA28010; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 15:01:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 15:01:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from jazz.epas.utoronto.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA27992; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 15:01:12 -0400 Received: by jazz.epas.utoronto.ca (931110.SGI/931108.SGI.ANONFTP) for tp750@cs.utk.edu id AA29063; Sat, 6 Aug 94 15:00:52 -0400 From: jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca (James Cummings) Message-Id: <9408061900.AA29063@jazz.epas.utoronto.ca> Subject: Re: magnetic interference and laptops. To: cs322612@mailbox.uq.oz.au (Rohan Davidson) Date: Sat, 6 Aug 1994 15:00:51 -0400 (EDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Think-Pad 750 Mailing list) In-Reply-To: from "Rohan Davidson" at Aug 7, 94 04:38:15 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Status: OR It has been written by the hand of Rohan Davidson that: > >I have a twist to the question that seems to be as old as laptops >themselves. I've heard many opinions on whether airport x-ray machines >effect the workings of a laptop, but never seen any opinions on those 3M >thingies they seem to hold so dear in university libraries: the ones that >detect uncleared books passing through some sort of a field. Does this >pose no risk or should one make sure the laptop doesn't pass through >these? > >Anyone with any experience? > I took mine through one at least once a day for.. a couple months. Had no problems. I don't think I'm going to let them scan my case when I take a flight to the UK (going for a year) later this year. Does anyone know of a help-pc number in the UK? What about even an IBM service centre in/near Leeds? thanks. -james jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca | 1994: Official Year of The Toronto Free-Net. From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 6 16:15:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28923 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 6 Aug 1994 16:15:05 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05427; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 16:38:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 16:38:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA05420; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 16:38:44 -0400 Received: by SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (5.61/1.34) id AA22743; Sat, 6 Aug 94 16:38:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 94 16:38:28 -0400 From: dewar@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9408062038.AA22743@SCHONBERG.CS.NYU.EDU> To: cs322612@mailbox.uq.oz.au, jcumming@epas.utoronto.ca Subject: Re: magnetic interference and laptops. Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Status: OR "I don't think I'm going to let them scan my case when I take a flight to the UK (going for a year) later this year" You may not have the option. Unlike the situation in the US, you cannot insist on a hand search, i.e. you have no right to make this selection. In some countries, notably France and The Netherlands, it is usually completely impossible to avoid ANYTHING from being scanned. Professional photographers often take the train in France to avoid high speed film being scanned and ruined. England is a toss-up. Try asking nicely, don't try to insist, that definitely won't work! From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 6 19:29:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16929 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 6 Aug 1994 19:29:50 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18077; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 19:59:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 19:59:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from Sun.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18070; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 19:59:44 -0400 Received: from Eng.Sun.COM (zigzag.Eng.Sun.COM) by Sun.COM (sun-barr.Sun.COM) id AA18189; Sat, 6 Aug 94 16:59:41 PDT Received: from swap.Eng.Sun.COM by Eng.Sun.COM (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09538; Sat, 6 Aug 94 16:59:58 PDT Received: by swap.Eng.Sun.COM (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA05270; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 16:59:39 +0800 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 1994 16:59:39 +0800 From: Bob.Page@eng.sun.com (Bob Page) Message-Id: <9408062359.AA05270@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: scanning at airports In-Reply-To: <9408061900.AA29063@jazz.epas.utoronto.ca> References: <9408061900.AA29063@jazz.epas.utoronto.ca> Status: OR The FAA (I think) recently said that it was OK to scan laptops; outside the Northwest check-in at Logan there is now a video monitor that said laptops and cameras should be scanned. When I left San Francisco I had them hand-check the laptop, but not the floppies. When I returned through Logan, I didn't even take my laptop out. It survived with no problems. I suspect that if the scanners at the airport are safe, the stand-up scanners in stores and libraries are even safer. ..bob From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sat Aug 6 20:37:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22318 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 6 Aug 1994 20:37:24 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23357; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 21:06:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 21:06:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from pinyon.libre.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23319; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 21:06:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (sgross@localhost) by pinyon.libre.com (8.6.4/8.6.4) id SAA26760; Sat, 6 Aug 1994 18:00:28 -0700 Date: Sat, 6 Aug 1994 18:00:27 -0700 (MST) From: Steve Gross Subject: Re: scanning at airports To: Bob Page Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9408062359.AA05270@swap.Eng.Sun.COM> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: OR On Sat, 6 Aug 1994, Bob Page wrote: > The FAA (I think) recently said that it was OK to scan laptops; > outside the Northwest check-in at Logan there is now a video monitor > that said laptops and cameras should be scanned. > > When I left San Francisco I had them hand-check the laptop, but not > the floppies. When I returned through Logan, I didn't even take my > laptop out. It survived with no problems. > > I suspect that if the scanners at the airport are safe, the stand-up > scanners in stores and libraries are even safer. > > ..bob Bob- I go through airport security at least 25 times a month. My TP750 resides in my flight case and passes through the scanner each time. I have had no problems. I fly throughout the U.S. and have been through lots of different types of scanners without a single glitch. -steve From owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Sun Aug 7 01:28:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12072 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 7 Aug 1994 01:28:41 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12176; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 01:43:25 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 01:43:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nic.hookup.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA12169; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 01:43:17 -0400 Received: from jjames.hookup.net (jjames.hookup.net [198.133.162.54]) by nic.hookup.net (8.6.9/1.214) with SMTP id BAA24156; Sun, 7 Aug 1994 01:36:43 -0400 Message-Id: <199408070536.BAA24156@nic.hookup.net> X-Sender: jjames@hookup.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 07 Aug 1994 01:37:13 -0400 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: jjames@hookup.net (Jerry James) Subject: Just got a 755C X-Mailer: Status: OR Just got a 755C. Using it for a week now. I had lots of second thoughts while waiting for it (so damn much money). Anyhow, got it now and would not part with it. It replaces a 25 Mhz 386SX mono laptop so the performance difference as quite remarkable. Screen is great, can't find any bad pixels. Battery life seems to be fairly consistent at just over 3 hrs of continious use on the low power setting. I bought the 4MB RAM, 170MB disk. WFWG 3.11. I have upgraded the memory to 20MB using Viking memory (4MB was pretty sad). I have installed Stacker 4.0 to get more disk space but even then, it's pretty much full up so I'll be looking for a new hard drive soon. Does anyone no for sure what type drive these things use? I have read here that its ESDI, a dealer has told me that it's Microchannel (I didn't know there was such a thing, and someone else says IDE. I've had the cover off and it looks just like the IDE drive on my old laptop. What's the real scoop? ====================================================================== Jerry James Cambridge, Ontario, Canada jjames@hookup.net ======================================================================