From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18104 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:27:42 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12965; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 12:29:10 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 12:29:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tin.monsanto.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12947; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 12:29:03 -0400 Received: from WOODS.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by tin.monsanto.com (5.65/Monsanto1.5) id AA08633; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:25:54 -0500 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:25:22 -0500 Message-Id: <9410191625.AA08633@tin.monsanto.com> From: snmauf@elm.monsanto.com (Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207) To: "tp750@CS.UTK.EDU"@tin.monsanto.com Subject: Re: necessary directories? >> And this is a bad thing in what way? Personally, I've never understood >>why IBM sent me a promo for a machine I'd already bought. tsk tsk, what a poor poor attitude. Now you've brankrupted yourself buying this new toy, you gotta show the machine to all your buddies, and for that you need a wowee demo. What happened to the gimme generation? many 8-)))))))))))))))))))))))))))'s Simon ///************************************************************************** // /// Simon Maufe ||| MAUFE@TWEETY.DIGSYS.COM // /// Daugerty Systems ||| 314-432-8200 office // /// St Louis ||| 314-257-8018 home // /// ||| 314-694-3207 client office // /// All opinions and thoughts are mine and not those of my employer or client / \\\************************************************************************** \\ From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26994 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:46:55 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14692; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 12:57:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 12:57:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14662; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 12:57:00 -0400 Received: from maverick.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA12690; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:50:55 -0500 Received: by maverick.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA64450; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:56:24 -0500 From: wba@maverick.uhc.com (John Albindia) Message-Id: <9410191656.AA64450@maverick.uhc.com> Subject: Thanks for nothing! To: qlcts@qlc.com (qlogic) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 11:56:24 -0500 (CDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (750) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I emailed again yesterday for help. in the mail I asked that you call me instead because I couldn't get a live person on th phone. Therefore I couldn't talk to any of the Techs. I never got a reply back . Prior to the mail , I left a message on the answering machine and a couple of times a tech called me back to try to help. The first one said it's the low density to Hi-density Adapter that I used that causing the problem. The second one said it's the cable or the card thats bad. Frankly I don't think the techs had a clue what they were talking about. On the internet Thinkpad forum, I was told that it was the PCMCIA SCSI drivers. And this makes more sense. Today I shipped the Qlogic back where it came from and I got My new SLIM-SCSI from Adaptec. Took me about 2 minutes to install and Presto! it's working. I am also using the same Low Density to hi-density adapter. I liked Qlogic better because it claims it's faster,whether it's true or not remains to be s een. and second and most important the connector is slim and it allows me to use my PCMCIA modem. On the negative side I couldnt get it to work for my 750c The Adaptec SlimSCSI Connector is ugly and bulky! it blocks the other PCMCIA slot. But it works! Its too bad Qlogic doesn't have a decent tech support because I think they have a better PCMCIA SCSI product. From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07814 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 14:08:43 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15293; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:05:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:05:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15267; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:05:34 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA01341; Wed, 19 Oct 94 11:21:03 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 11:21:03 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410191521.AA01341@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu, dwhite@shadow.net Subject: Re: necessary directories? Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, sk6k+@andrew.cmu.edu heck, that's up to you, if you don't want it, chuck it. I have found it fun to have around to show off to other people, and I know at least some people who deleted it, and then wanted it back later, there is no way of doing that, I was just pointing this out! From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17110 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 14:27:37 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16578; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:23:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:23:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16567; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:22:49 -0400 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxmhx14821; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 13:22:21 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 13:23:23 PDT From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: FW: QVC vs Windows - rec.humor.funny #5473 To: rhodes@buphy.bu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I thought this might be of some interest to my fellow TP owners. Apologies if you've seen this already. >In article , carasso@inference.com (dr. carasso) writes: >> >>I was channel surfing the other night when I came across this guy on >>QVC giving a demo of Windows on a ThinkPad 500. After a few choice >>comments from the slick salesman, I started taking notes. (I didn't >>want to divert my attention long enough to find a tape...) >> >> He started out by explaining that icons were like glimpses of what >>was behind them, and proceeded to show the Accessories "menu." He >>talked about how wonderful this deal was since the machine came with >>so much preloaded software, and then gave a brief description of each >>icon in Accessories. >> First there was "A-Write" the "word processing package" (I think he >>called it "A-Write" because the icon for Write has a fountain pen >>drawing an A...) >> Then there was Paintbrush, which allows you to "do your 3D work" he >>said. "For example, if you were designing a house, you could keep all >>the floor plans and layouts in here." >> Next was Terminal, "which lets you uhhh, uhhhh, add another uhh, >>terminal to your computer." >> He fumbled a little more and skipped Notepad, presumably because he >>couldn't make up anything good to say just after describing "A-Write." >> Next: "It has this Recorder, which helps you be a little like >>Steven Spielberg...it interfaces directly with your VHS cassetes." >> While pointing at the next icon he proudly announced that the >>machine even came with a built-in Clock. >> There was Calculator, which of course "manages your finances." >> He mentioned some of the "executive" features, like Calendar and >>Cardfile. >> He pretty much gave up at Object Packager, but saved the moment by >>kicking into a demo of the "word processing package" because "If >>you're like me, that's where your family will spend most of it's >>time." >> In his "A-Write" demo, he drooled about how versatile the software >>was. (somehow the common font picker dialog just didn't convince me to >>pick up the phone and order a ThinkPad) As proof of how useful the >>"word processing package" was, he "printed in" a sentence: "Dean shows >>hot computers on qvc." Then "Oh jeez!" he exclaimed, "It's been a >>long day folks, I mispelled my own first name!" (Dan) He proceeded to >>hit the backspace key 31 TIMES, leaving only the 'D'. He started >>retyping the rest of the sentence, but gave up midway and moved on. >>"Let me tell you something: This thing will really change your life!" >> He started babbling about "executive" features again and fired up >>the cardfile "database system." It kinda took the punch out when the >>camera zoomed back in and you saw that there were three dessert >>recipes on the screen. >> >> The stupidity went on, but mostly on other bundled things like >>"C-Mail" (I think he meant Lotus Cc:Mail) and some IBM antivirus >>utilities. >> >> An interesting note: In one screen shot it was evident that IBM had >>replaced the MS-DOS icon with a PC-DOS icon that looks almost >>identical to the OS/2 logo. Later on, while showing off the manuals, >>he held up the clearly labelled "IBM PC-DOS" book and said "...you get >>an MS-DOS manual..." >> >> >>...source unknown. >>-- >>Roger >>My thoughts represent no corporation, only myself. >>ftp://ftp.netcom.com/pub/carasso/www/home.html >> >>-- >>Selected by Maddi Hausmann Sojourner. MAIL your joke to funny@clarinet.com. >>Attribute the joke's source if at all possible. A Daemon will auto-reply. >> >>Jokes ABOUT major current events should be sent to topical@clarinet.com >>(ie. jokes which won't be funny if not given immediate attention.) >>Anything that is not a joke submission goes to funny-request@clarinet.com > >-- ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13814 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:31:15 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03231; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:14:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:14:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03193; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:13:39 -0400 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxmim25233; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:13:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:12:20 PDT From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: Why no third party solutions? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I find it strange that Apple's Powerbook and Duo series have several dock and accessory options, yet there are none for the Thinkpads. Why no third party port replicators, battery chargers, batteries(!) or AC adaptors? What I'd really like to see is a mini-dock with SCSI on it. The regular dock may be semi-portable, but I really don't need all that..... The additional PCMCIA slots on the Port Replicator2 don't make a lot of sense to me personally. ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19864 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:47:23 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03631; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:18:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:18:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mailgate.exnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03610; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 17:17:55 -0400 Received: from exnet.com (assam.exnet.com) by mailgate.exnet.com with SMTP id AA10732 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 22:17:28 +0100 Received: from fonix.UUCP by exnet.com with UUCP id AA26987 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 22:17:23 +0100 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: cc:mail advantis bundle From: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) Message-Id: <2245.150.uupcb@fonix.org> Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 20:53:00 -0100 Organization: FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, UK ~ +44 (344) 306986/7/8/9 Reply-To: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) JM>I bought my 755cs 2 months ago, and I was sure I'd never want to use JM>the cc:mail that came with it, so I didn't even bother to run the JM>disk builder thing. JM>I'm starting to think maybe I would like to give it a whirl now, but JM>I called IBM and they said there's no procedure for replacing the JM>bundled apps.. and offered to sell me another copy. Must say how lucky you lot in the States are ! In Britain, the machines don't (yet) come with cc:Mail (which I use), nor all the rest of the software . 'Though reading the memos Joshua H. sent yesterday, _maybe_ the updated range *will* do.... Regards, | Internet: patrick.whittick@fonix.org _or_ | C'serve id: Patrick | PATRICK-WHITTICK-18/417+aIUP%Ford@mcimail.com | 100117.2667 --- ...CMPQwk 1.42-10 #9237 . I made a Freudian slip at least sex times today. ---- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, Berkshire UK ~ +44 (0)344 306986 12 lines! | | 9 Gig - RsaNET - ILink - RIME (->FONIX) - FidoNET (2:252/171) | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06276 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:34:59 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07914; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:17:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:17:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07903; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:17:38 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19521; Wed, 19 Oct 94 15:19:19 PDT Date: Wed, 19 Oct 94 15:19:19 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410192219.AA19521@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Don Whiteside ' dated: Wed, 19 Oct 94 17:12:20 PDT > > I find it strange that Apple's Powerbook and Duo series have several dock > and accessory options, yet there are none for the Thinkpads. Why no third > party port replicators, battery chargers, batteries(!) or AC adaptors? > > What I'd really like to see is a mini-dock with SCSI on it. The regular > dock may be semi-portable, but I really don't need all that..... The > additional PCMCIA slots on the Port Replicator2 don't make a lot of sense > to me personally. > What seems really strange to me is that the ThinkPad itself is impecably designed and built like a rock, but the Docking bay is garbage. If you open the cover and look at the ridiculously shaped speakers, you find a cheap half-dollar sized speaker like you'd buy at Radio Shack for $1.50. I was also genuinely annoyed when I purchased a very expensive digital storage oscilliscope ISA card and found that the power supply in the Dock I was unable to power it. Finally, the construction of the Dock I itself, as well as the locking mechanism belongs on an Acer laptop, not on an IBM ThinkPad. I guess they drew straws and the first-string engineers got to design the ThinkPad, and the summer co-ops designed the Dock I. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:38:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19085 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:01:08 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14327; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:17:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:17:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mfmail.mfltd.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14315; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 20:17:00 -0400 From: Received: from ibm3172e.mfltd.co.uk by mfmail.mfltd.co.uk with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA06971; Thu, 20 Oct 94 01:15:49 GMT Message-Id: <9410200115.AA06971@mfmail.mfltd.co.uk> Received: from NWB.RSCS by NWB.MFLTD.CO.UK (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7766; Thu, 20 Oct 94 01:16:29 BST Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 01:16:29 BST To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? *** Reply to note of 10/19/94 23:41 =============================================================== From: D. Gwyn Jones Fileshare 2 development, Products Grou DGJ at NWB, GBHFFWHF at IBMMAIL, e-mail: dgj@mfltd.co.uk Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? > What seems really strange to me is that the ThinkPad itself is >impecably designed and built like a rock, but the Docking bay is garbage. >If you open the cover and look at the ridiculously shaped speakers, you >find a cheap half-dollar sized speaker like you'd buy at Radio Shack for >$1.50. I was also genuinely annoyed when I purchased a very expensive >digital storage oscilliscope ISA card and found that the power supply in >the Dock I was unable to power it. Finally, the construction of the >Dock I itself, as well as the locking mechanism belongs on an Acer laptop, >not on an IBM ThinkPad. >I guess they drew straws and the first-string engineers got to design the >ThinkPad, and the summer co-ops designed the Dock I. I'm surprised at many of the comments I've read on this forum about the build quality of the Thinkpads. Sure, they have an intelligent modular design but this very "pieced together" architecture runs the risk of lots of fiddly bits breaking off. I know of many people who have had the little catches break on the lid so that the LCD doesn't click shut and lets face it - those little switches on the side are a pain the way they catch seperately on the LCD and the keyboard. These are a very weak link and they have a nasty tendancy to discard their springs. Surely they could have come up with more rugged seperate catches. The Toshiba laptops for instance are very solidly built. Mind you, I have to admit that despite the minor fiddly bits, I have actually dropped my laptop out of the carry case twice, and while the casing suffered some cracks and is decidedly less sturdy now, nothing has ceased to function which says a lot for the components if not the case which should surely be thicker considering the weight it contains. Regards, Gwyn. Micro Focus Ltd Tel. (44) (0)1635 565294 26 West Street Fax. (44) (0)1635 565567 Extension 5294 Newbury RG13 1JT U.K. "PROFS MAX. Seen it, done it, doing it next century. Using mail to the MAX." From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:39:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00234 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:33:01 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17035; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:03:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:03:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17008; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:03:34 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA12753; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:03:29 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id SAA16628; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:00:58 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410200100.SAA16628@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: dwhite@shadow.net (Don Whiteside) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:00:58 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Don Whiteside" at Oct 19, 94 05:12:20 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I find it strange that Apple's Powerbook and Duo series have several dock > and accessory options, yet there are none for the Thinkpads. Why no third > party port replicators, battery chargers, batteries(!) or AC adaptors? Anyone wanna wager that Apple Powerbooks sell more units than do IBM ThinkPads? I know the whole PC-Compatible market vastly outweighs the Macs, but I'm willing to bet that of all *individual* notebook computers on the market, Apple probably sells the most (Powerbooks). If true, this would explain the ton of 3rd party add-ons for the Powerbooks. Funny--I was just thinking it would be a good business opportunity for a person to attack the niche of 3rd party notebook products (batteries & chargers in particular) in the major-notebook market (IBM, Toshiba, etc.). I'm learning how to write business plans for my senior emphasis in entrepreneurship. Anyone want to volunteer more info on this feasibility? > What I'd really like to see is a mini-dock with SCSI on it. The regular Me too. ;) ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:39:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07509 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:52:33 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18547; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:27:14 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:27:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18536; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 21:27:11 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA14344; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:26:39 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id SAA19675; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:25:18 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410200125.SAA19675@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: necessary directories? To: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:25:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9410191521.AA01341@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> from "Robert Dewar" at Oct 19, 94 11:21:03 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > heck, that's up to you, if you don't want it, chuck it. I have found it > fun to have around to show off to other people, and I know at least some > people who deleted it, and then wanted it back later, there is no way of > doing that, I was just pointing this out! I realize this isn't an option for many people on the list, but since the ThinkPad is a second machine for me (and I have a network between the two), I found it useful to back up the demo to a tape (or in my case, I also have a removable SyQuest disk on my desktop machine) and then delete it from the ThinkPad disk. If you ever want it back, its a quick transfer to put it back. Meanwhile, I have it archived with other old software that I occasionally pull out for use (like old TurboTax years when I'm looking for tax info). ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:39:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16187 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 19 Oct 1994 22:19:17 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21064; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 22:05:01 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 22:04:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom9.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21016; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 22:04:54 -0400 Received: by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id TAA04423; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 19:01:54 -0700 From: dvchan@netcom.com (Derek Chan) Message-Id: <199410200201.TAA04423@netcom9.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 19:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: <9410192219.AA19521@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> from "Robert George" at Oct 19, 94 03:19:19 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > > I find it strange that Apple's Powerbook and Duo series have several dock > > and accessory options, yet there are none for the Thinkpads. Why no third > > party port replicators, battery chargers, batteries(!) or AC adaptors? > > > > What I'd really like to see is a mini-dock with SCSI on it. The regular > > dock may be semi-portable, but I really don't need all that..... The > > additional PCMCIA slots on the Port Replicator2 don't make a lot of sense > > to me personally. > > > > What seems really strange to me is that the ThinkPad itself is > impecably designed and built like a rock, but the Docking bay is garbage. > If you open the cover and look at the ridiculously shaped speakers, you > find a cheap half-dollar sized speaker like you'd buy at Radio Shack for > $1.50. I was also genuinely annoyed when I purchased a very expensive > digital storage oscilliscope ISA card and found that the power supply in > the Dock I was unable to power it. Finally, the construction of the > Dock I itself, as well as the locking mechanism belongs on an Acer laptop, > not on an IBM ThinkPad. > > I guess they drew straws and the first-string engineers got to design the > ThinkPad, and the summer co-ops designed the Dock I. Well...actually, Toshiba was responsible for the Dock I. Don't know if that's the case for the Dock II. From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 01:39:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00347 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 01:00:37 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24616; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 23:04:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 23:04:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA24606; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 23:04:12 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA23950; Wed, 19 Oct 1994 22:04:10 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 19 Oct 1994 23:04:41 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <83082.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? In message Thu, 20 Oct 94 01:16:29 BST, writes: > of fiddly bits breaking off. I know of many people who have had the > little catches break on the lid so that the LCD doesn't click shut and Hmm, how old are these TPs? I hadn't noticed but after I got the screen on my TP replaced, the catches on the lid are metal. If they fall off, it's a design flaw so IBM should fix it for free. > lets face it - those little switches on the side are a pain the way they > catch seperately on the LCD and the keyboard. These are a very weak link > and they have a nasty tendancy to discard their springs. Surely they > could have come up with more rugged seperate catches. The Toshiba laptops > for instance are very solidly built. The Toshiba screen latch feels better than the TP, but a lot of the other components suck. Have you seen any Toshiba that's been through a couple years of moderate use? The covers for the battery pack and ports won't snap on, the screen latches loosens, the white color shows all the accumulated dirt :-), etc. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu jokim@uni.uiuc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:16:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15354 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 02:58:33 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08772; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:12:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:12:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08721; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:12:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199410200712.DAA08721@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-19.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05571; Thu, 20 Oct 94 02:10:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 02:10:04 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? X-Mailer: > Anyone wanna wager that Apple Powerbooks sell more units than >do IBM ThinkPads? No wager, this is a fact. Only recently have IBM and Compaq began to even touch the Apple record. Suprisingly (or not), many, many Powerbook owners are PC users regularly who just went over. > If true, this would explain the ton of 3rd party add-ons for the >Powerbooks. Still...there are just SOOO many 3rd party stuff for Powerbooks and nearly NONE for PC notebooks. I could see proportional differences but this is a landslide. >> What I'd really like to see is a mini-dock with SCSI on it. The regular > > Me too. ;) Wouldn't we all? I think that's part of the key to the success of the Powerbooks -- built-in everything -- SCSI, sound, ethernet... The Thinkpads represent the best from the PC world, but it's still not really comparable in terms of an all-in-one unit. Let's keep our fingers crossed! --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:16:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15596 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:01:26 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08224; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:05:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:05:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08209; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 03:05:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199410200705.DAA08209@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-19.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04454; Thu, 20 Oct 94 02:02:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 02:02:16 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? X-Mailer: >I'm surprised at many of the comments I've read on this forum about the build >quality of the Thinkpads. Sure, they have an intelligent modular design but >this very "pieced together" architecture runs the risk of lots of fiddly bits In particular, I would cite the following as points to improve: - the stupid PCMCIA port covers (this is the WORST design I've seen) - the port cover (a bit shaky) - the legs to tilt your machine with (a bit shaky) - the strange outer material which seems to attract all sorts of nasty materials - the screen always gets the "trackpoint smudge" Add the following: - wrist-rest (everyone else has one, how hard can it be?) - SCSI port instead of the ludicrously priced dock II >seperate catches. The Toshiba laptops for instance are very solidly built. Yes, Toshiba notebooks are nicely built. And they are finely getting the clue that no one likes the side-mounted trackballs! --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:16:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07850 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 06:13:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24370; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 06:14:56 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 06:14:54 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24360; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 06:14:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA20818 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:14:39 +1000 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:14:33 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199410200705.DAA08209@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Oct 1994, Sean Chou wrote: > Yes, Toshiba notebooks are nicely built. And they are finely getting > the clue that no one likes the side-mounted trackballs! > Funny, it was the one big minus for me getting the Thinkpad. And I know of at least two other people who are currently balking at the TP because of just that. I happen to love Microsoft's little trackball. I know this isn't the best forum to ask, but I'm looking for external backup (pref HD, but if anyone has good tape experiences do let me know) for my TP. I nearly strangled a guy that kept insisting 'you just insert this ISA controller...'. He just didn't get it. And his booth was across from IBM - I was even *pointing* to a thinkpad! Anyone have any good experiences with external serial/parallel backup? (I'd appreciate knowing about the bad experiences too so I don't make the same mistake). Probably best to email me direct and save bugging everyone on the list. From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27914 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 08:51:11 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03846; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:03:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:03:04 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA03828; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:02:52 -0400 Received: from kress_pc.ciw.edu by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA18722; Thu, 20 Oct 94 09:02:12 EDT Message-Id: <9410201302.AA18722@gl.ciw.edu> X-Sender: kress@gl.ciw.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:02:18 -0400 To: Rohan Davidson From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? backups, etc. Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: > >I know this isn't the best forum to ask, but I'm looking for external >backup (pref HD, but if anyone has good tape experiences do let me know) >for my TP. I nearly strangled a guy that kept insisting 'you just insert >this ISA controller...'. He just didn't get it. And his booth was >across from IBM - I was even *pointing* to a thinkpad! I got a iomega parallel port II 250Meg (compressed) recently and I think it's great. There are several other tape backups in our org. and the iomega is quieter, faster, it comes with better software, EPP support, and the installation was so easy I couldn't believe that it would actually work. The installation program doesn't even muck with your initialization files! It works great! Hard disks make poor backups, because their total capacity is always limited. With tapes you can keep buying more, and they aren't subject to power spike destruction etc. There are several better backup media available these days, but they all are substantially more expensive. I agree that the screen/keyboard latches are weak engineering. Probably the most poorly designed piece on the computer....except maybe the pcmcia covers. The silly "lock" mechanism deserves an honorable mention. I suspect that this piece of false security can be cut with a sturdy pair of scissors! -Victor ---------------------------------------------------------- Victor Kress Carnegie Institution of Washington, Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202)686-2410 x2489 ---------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02167 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:05:44 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04569; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:15:07 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:15:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from watson.ibm.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA04554; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:15:04 -0400 Received: from WATSON by watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 0873; Thu, 20 Oct 94 09:15:08 EDT Received: from YKTVMV by watson.vnet.ibm.com with "VAGENT.V1.0" id 7417; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:15:08 EDT Received: from jimi.watson.ibm.com by yktvmv.watson.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with TCP; Thu, 20 Oct 94 09:15:07 EDT Received: by jimi.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA24851; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:15:01 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:15:01 -0400 From: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Message-Id: <9410201315.AA24851@jimi.watson.ibm.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Randal Whittle's message of Wed, 19 Oct 1994 18:00:58 -0700 (PDT) <199410200100.SAA16628@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Why no third party solutions? > Funny--I was just thinking it would be a good business opportunity >for a person to attack the niche of 3rd party notebook products (batteries >& chargers in particular) in the major-notebook market (IBM, Toshiba, etc.). actually, there is a company that specializes in batteries for PC-compatible notebooks. Of course, I can't remember their name, but they had a booth at the PC Expo in NYC this past summer. They had lots of stuff for Toshibas and others, though very little for Thinkpads. I think this is because the Thinkpad is a relatively new machine, and also because the Thinkpad battery is probably one of the most sophisticated around (and thus harder to reverse-engineer and bring to market). If I can dig up the name for this company, I will post. --andy From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14768 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:48:29 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06543; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:44:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:44:03 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06530; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:43:54 -0400 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxmla04153; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:43:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 09:45:49 PDT From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >In message Thu, 20 Oct 94 01:16:29 BST, writes: > >> of fiddly bits breaking off. I know of many people who have had the >> little catches break on the lid so that the LCD doesn't click shut and > >Hmm, how old are these TPs? I hadn't noticed but after I got the screen on >my TP replaced, the catches on the lid are metal. If they fall off, it's a >design flaw so IBM should fix it for free. I have to assume since he said "on the lid" he means the actual slots, but the catches. And that would suprise me - those catches are pretty short, limiting the amount of shearing force you could get on one. I can plant my thumb on in and shove without feeling any give. >> lets face it - those little switches on the side are a pain the way they >> catch seperately on the LCD and the keyboard. These are a very weak link >> and they have a nasty tendancy to discard their springs. Surely they >> could have come up with more rugged seperate catches. The Toshiba laptops >> for instance are very solidly built. I wasn't thrilled with them at first, but I've now come to the conclusion that it's not a bad idea. I was worried about keyboard flex, but haven't had a problem. I'll admit that where the keyboard itself latches seems a little flimsy, but I haven't have any problem with it. The screen I open about 10 times a day and have done so since I got it 5 months ago. No problem with the latches yet. ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17733 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:55:43 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07231; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:54:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:54:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07221; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:54:50 -0400 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxmlb07206; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:54:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 09:59:05 PDT From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii >> If true, this would explain the ton of 3rd party add-ons for the >>Powerbooks. > >Still...there are just SOOO many 3rd party stuff for Powerbooks and >nearly NONE for PC notebooks. I could see proportional differences >but this is a landslide. That was my feeling. I have seen ads from more than six different DUO dock makers (and the Duo is _not_ as big a seller as the PB). You'd think there would be ONE TP dock maker...) ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18674 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:57:55 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07196; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:53:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:53:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07186; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:53:20 -0400 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxmlb06742; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:53:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 09:50:40 PDT From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: TP Design (was: Why no third party...) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=us-ascii >In particular, I would cite the following as points to improve: > > - the stupid PCMCIA port covers (this is the WORST design I've seen) I concur with this one, sort of. The two alternatives that come with the machine - totally covered or the opening for two cards - needs to add one more, at least. For a long time I had one card and the other plug was therefor open to dirt and dust. A half-opening cover would have been appreciated, or a solid plastic card would have been sufficient to do the trick. Again, the Toshiba wins on this one with a cover that opens all the way and with a smaller door for a dongle. > - the port cover (a bit shaky) I think this is a no-win situation. Anything that size is hard to make 100% stable. The 750 was a big step up on the 720 (which my boss has) with the slide for the dock plug. > - the legs to tilt your machine with (a bit shaky) Never use em so I can't say. My pad is either under a mouse pad at work on my desk or on my lap on the road. > - the strange outer material which seems to attract all sorts of nasty > materials I'll take the dirt catcher over the old smooth 720 anyday. That slick surface was hard to keep a grip on. My 750 _never_ tries to slide out of my hand. >Add the following: > > - wrist-rest (everyone else has one, how hard can it be?) I'll do without in return for the smaller size. > - SCSI port instead of the ludicrously priced dock II Amen. If you can put it on the Dock, you can put it on the Port Replicator. Who the hell needs the PR2 with the 2 extra PCMCIA slots? SCSI would have been better. Maybe a VGA->NTSC converter for on the road presentations. >Yes, Toshiba notebooks are nicely built. And they are finely getting >the clue that no one likes the side-mounted trackballs! How anyone can be happy with a trackball (read:dirt magnet) with the trackpoint out there is beyond me. ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21174 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:03:47 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07873; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:04:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:04:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA07857; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:04:17 -0400 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxmlc09793; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:04:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 10:06:18 PDT From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: RE: Why no third party solutions? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >actually, there is a company that specializes in batteries for >PC-compatible notebooks. Of course, I can't remember their name, but I'm all batteried out - I've got two, which with the amazinly long life of my mono 750 is all I need. I _would_ buy a 30 second battery for the adaptor port so I could change batteries w/o powering down, though. I will buy immidiately a mini-dock/port replicator with SCSI. The exact moment someone shows it to me. Really. Even if it was true blue and cost the usual $too-much. So someone - go make it. ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09019 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:46:27 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09610; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:31:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:31:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09600; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:31:34 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08202; Thu, 20 Oct 94 07:33:44 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 07:33:44 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410201433.AA08202@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? In-Reply-To: Mail from 'ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou)' dated: Thu, 20 Oct 94 02:02:16 -0500 >Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 > In particular, I would cite the following as points to improve: > > - the stupid PCMCIA port covers (this is the WORST design I've seen) I don't have a current Toshiba, but I do have a 4200 and the PCMCIA port has a hard plastic panel that pops off. You have to pry this thing off (usually with a pocket screwdriver) every time you move the notebook. Worst yet is the Acer PCMCIA port, the cards stick out half an inch out of the case when they're properly seated (the mechanical engineer who did this must have been on drugs). This means that you have to remove the cards from the port when you move the machine. Frankly, I move my notebook alot, and I use a modem and an Ethernet card continually -- I prefer the ThinkPad's design to anything I have seen. > Yes, Toshiba notebooks are nicely built. And they are finely getting > the clue that no one likes the side-mounted trackballs! I definitely do NOT agree here. We've had just about every kind of laptop/notebook in our branch here, including Toshiba. We have been very unhappy with the quality of the Toshi's. For the company that manufactures most of the world's LCD's, the panels that they ship have lousy contrast, _many_ dead pixels, lousy look angle, not to mention that they don't supply the 10.4 inch diagonal that they sell to IBM. They also don't survive very long for a frequent traveler, and the ABS plastic case material degrades quickly. They've finally admitted defeat with the trackball and gone with a TrackPoint device in their Portege's. BTW, the Apple Powerbooks we have are every bit the equal to the ThinkPad in ergonomics, manufacturing quality, and display quality. ...but they don't have a 10.4" screen :) From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:14 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10175 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:48:46 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09642; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:33:48 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:33:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA09632; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:33:43 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA05499; Thu, 20 Oct 94 08:33:08 MDT Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 08:33:08 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9410201433.AA05499@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? > I'm surprised at many of the comments I've read on this forum about the build > quality of the Thinkpads. Sure, they have an intelligent modular design but > this very "pieced together" architecture runs the risk of lots of fiddly bits > breaking off. I know of many people who have had the little catches break on > the lid so that the LCD doesn't click shut and lets face it - those little > switches on the side are a pain the way they catch seperately on the LCD and > the keyboard. These are a very weak link and they have a nasty tendancy to > discard their springs. Surely they could have come up with more rugged > seperate catches. The Toshiba laptops for instance are very solidly built. Agreed. The biggest design shortcoming in my opinion is the lousy PCMCIA slot cover which is provided for use with an installed card. Who needs a sunroof in their slot cover? This thing practically invites dirt, dust and all other environmental nasties to take up residence inside your machine. Toshiba's implementation is much better - a hinged door which covers the slot when not in use, but allows easy access for dongles, phone lines, etc. I love my TP, but there is definitely room for improvement. _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | 1st law of aerospace: Denver, CO. 80201 | "you can't polish a turd" From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10912 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:50:22 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10403; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:43:09 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:43:08 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10393; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:43:06 -0400 Received: from todd-dial.caenn.wisc.edu (todd-dial.engr.wisc.edu) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.10G/31) id AA139044178; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:42:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199410201442.AA139044178@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:42:57 -0500 To: Don Whiteside From: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu (Todd Tannenbaum) Subject: RE: Why no third party solutions? Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: > >I will buy immidiately a mini-dock/port replicator with SCSI. The exact >moment someone shows it to me. Really. Even if it was true blue and cost >the usual $too-much. So someone - go make it. > > Why not purchase the Replicator2 with the 2 PCMCIA slots (the one I think that you nay-sayed) and put a SCSI PCMCIA card into it?? bingo! one port replicator with SCSI! and not very expensive either. plus flexibity to provide SCSI on the road, if you need it. From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25841 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 11:25:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10506; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:45:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:45:06 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10489; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 10:45:05 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08675; Thu, 20 Oct 94 07:47:13 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 07:47:13 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410201447.AA08675@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? > I think this is because the Thinkpad is a relatively new > machine, and also because the Thinkpad battery is probably one of the > most sophisticated around (and thus harder to reverse-engineer and > bring to market). > The reason that the ThinkPad has such great power management, and a weak explaination for why the batteries cost so much, is that they contain a microcontroller (I think it's an 8051) with voltage/current sense circuitry. I'm don't know about the Toshiba, but most of the clone notebooks have lousy power management. The Acer notebooks we have can not sense the battery level - they beep when you only have minutes left. They also cannot charge while the laptop is on. These are all things that alot of ThinkPad owners take for granted. It's like systems engineers or hockey goalies: when things work well, nobody notices, when things don't work so well, people bitch... | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:19 1994 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29762 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 11:34:27 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA29965; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:34:36 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id JAA02641; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:34:34 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410201634.JAA02641@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:34:32 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199410200705.DAA08209@CS.UTK.EDU> from "Sean Chou" at Oct 20, 94 02:02:16 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2029 > In particular, I would cite the following as points to improve: > - the strange outer material which seems to attract all sorts of nasty > materials Having previously owned a Sharp notebook, I find it hard to complain about this. Yes, the TP surface seems to attract odd "stuff" in the air and various smudginess, but its a good, solid, coating of something-or-other (I suppose a rubber composite). The Sharp I used to own simply had a rubbery film that flaked off like old paint. It looked *terrible* and made it almost impossible for me to sell (despite the fact that it was in otherwise excellent condition) when I bought the TP. > - the screen always gets the "trackpoint smudge" Would you believe I only figured out what the wierd smudge was about 3 weeks ago?! ;) I don't think it reared its ugly head until a couple months ago--why is it suddenly touching my screen when it didn't seem to many months ago? > Yes, Toshiba notebooks are nicely built. And they are finely getting > the clue that no one likes the side-mounted trackballs! I hate to admit this publicly, but I probably would have bought a Toshiba (I think they're a bit cheaper) over the IBM if only they had the Trackpoint back then. I *detested* the idea of an external, clip-on pointing device and that immediately eliminated items like the Texas Instruments and Toshiba (at the time). Additionally, I wasn't fond of built-in trackballs, having had one on my Sharp and finding it a little annoying. The TrackPoint must have been designed with precisely *me* in mind. ;) ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:22 1994 Received: from chaph.usc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01321 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 11:37:43 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA00376; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:37:51 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id JAA03028; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:37:51 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410201637.JAA03028@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:37:49 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199410200712.AAA09521@chaph.usc.edu> from "Sean Chou" at Oct 20, 94 02:09:38 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1518 > > > Anyone wanna wager that Apple Powerbooks sell more units than > >do IBM ThinkPads? > > No wager, this is a fact. Only recently have IBM and Compaq began > to even touch the Apple record. Suprisingly (or not), many, many > Powerbook owners are PC users regularly who just went over. If software were not the issue, I would have switched a long time ago. I just can't fathom the idea of trying to change all my software over (some of which *can't* be changed) to the Macintosh. It would cost *mega-dollars*--not everyone is so friendly as is WordPerfect (which will switch your license over platforms for the cost of diskettes and manuals). > > If true, this would explain the ton of 3rd party add-ons for the > >Powerbooks. > > Still...there are just SOOO many 3rd party stuff for Powerbooks and > nearly NONE for PC notebooks. I could see proportional differences > but this is a landslide. Maybe this is a function of economies of scale. Namely, there still needs to be a point of critical mass before a 3rd party company is willing to take the risk. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 13:17:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28858 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 12:35:04 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17866; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 12:27:54 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 12:27:52 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17856; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 12:27:48 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA29513; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:27:46 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id JAA01808; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:27:45 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410201627.JAA01808@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: jokim@mit.edu Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 09:27:45 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <83082.jokim@mit.edu> from "John H. Kim" at Oct 19, 94 11:04:41 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The Toshiba screen latch feels better than the TP, but a lot of the other > components suck. Have you seen any Toshiba that's been through a couple > years of moderate use? The covers for the battery pack and ports won't snap > on, the screen latches loosens, the white color shows all the accumulated > dirt :-), etc. I was noticing a classmate's Toshiba notebook yesterday--it was missing the door that covers the rear ports! This was one of their "Satellite" models too, so I know it can't be any older than my ThinkPad 750C (which is about 10 mos. now), since they came out about the same time. It looked to be in very good shape otherwise, but...that aspect certainly didn't impress me. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 16:01:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23054 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:25:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25727; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 14:37:40 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 14:37:39 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25717; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 14:37:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199410201837.OAA25717@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-28.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04384; Thu, 20 Oct 94 13:34:57 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 13:34:57 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? X-Mailer: >Funny, it was the one big minus for me getting the Thinkpad. And >I know of at least two other people who are currently balking at the TP >because of just that. I happen to love Microsoft's little trackball. Well, they are definitely in the minority considering how popular the trackpoint II is getting (Toshiba, NEC, and nearly all minor vendors have adopted them). I suspect that they didn't like the initial feel and never gave it much of a chance. Once you use it for a while, you'll never be able to type without reaching for the TPII even if it doesn't exist. >I know this isn't the best forum to ask, but I'm looking for external >backup (pref HD, but if anyone has good tape experiences do let me know) There are a number of parallel port hard drives for a reasonable price. You could always get a SCSI PCMCIA card and then any SCSI drive could be your bud. And of course, there is the Colorado Trakker and some other parallel port tape drives. You should have any problems as long as you're sticking with DOS/Win... >Anyone have any good experiences with external serial/parallel backup? I know that a number of TP users have used the Colorado Trakker. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 16:21:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13909 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:11:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01337; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:39:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:39:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01327; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:39:53 -0400 Message-Id: <199410201939.PAA01327@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-28.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11067; Thu, 20 Oct 94 14:37:12 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 14:37:12 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: TP Design (was: Why no third party...) X-Mailer: > I'll take the dirt catcher over the old smooth 720 anyday. That slick >surface was hard to keep a grip on. My 750 _never_ tries to slide out of my >hand. Never thought of that. I have to agree with you now... >> - wrist-rest (everyone else has one, how hard can it be?) > I'll do without in return for the smaller size. There need not be a larger size. Observe all the space between the keyboard and the screen. All they have to do is shift the keyboard toward the screen. That's how all the other manufacturers do it... --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 16:42:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20730 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:28:01 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01837; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:46:18 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:46:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01827; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 15:46:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199410201946.PAA01827@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-28.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11685; Thu, 20 Oct 94 14:43:30 -0500 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 14:43:30 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: RE: Why no third party solutions? X-Mailer: >Why not purchase the Replicator2 with the 2 PCMCIA slots (the one I >think that you nay-sayed) and put a SCSI PCMCIA card into it?? The main problem right now is the lack of support for PCMCIA drivers for OS other than DOS. Plus that will run a hefty fee considering something like Dell Latitude's XP dock which has a SCSI-2 port and Ethernet port for $300. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Thu Oct 20 17:04:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03239 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:55:25 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03844; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:14:46 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:14:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03511; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:09:54 -0400 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxmma19409; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 16:08:08 -0400 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21694; Thu, 20 Oct 94 13:04:14 PDT Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA17469; Thu, 20 Oct 94 13:09:21 PDT Received: from localhost by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA19489; Thu, 20 Oct 94 13:06:03 PDT Message-Id: <9410202006.AA19489@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4 6/24/94 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 13:06:02 -0700 From: Bruce Reed > There are a number of parallel port hard drives for a reasonable > price. You could always get a SCSI PCMCIA card and then any SCSI > drive could be your bud. And of course, there is the Colorado > Trakker and some other parallel port tape drives. You should have > any problems as long as you're sticking with DOS/Win... One warning here is if you want to use SCSI tape drives you better make sure the PCMCIA SCSI card you purchase comes with it's own backup software. Most of the SCSI backup products are coded with specific SCSI drivers in mind and most likely won't support your PCMCIA card. I was hoping to use Norton Backup with my new Adaptec SLIM-SCSI and an Exabyte tape drive and discovered that it only supports well-known ISA and LB SCSI cards. I'm stuck with the Trantor's TapeMate software supplied with the SlimSCSI. --Bruce From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 01:44:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19674 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:05:18 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13687; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 18:45:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 18:45:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA13677; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 18:45:26 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22999; Thu, 20 Oct 94 15:47:36 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 15:47:36 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410202247.AA22999@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? > > There are a number of parallel port hard drives for a reasonable > > price. You could always get a SCSI PCMCIA card and then any SCSI > > drive could be your bud. And of course, there is the Colorado > > Trakker and some other parallel port tape drives. You should have > > any problems as long as you're sticking with DOS/Win... Hey guys, you're forgetting one thing: the bandwidth of a PC's serial port is 960K bytes/sec. SCSI is 5M bytes/sec, and Fast SCSI-2 is 10M bytes/sec. Your're going to take a serious performance hit if you put a hard drive on your serial port. It would be great for tape backups though. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 01:44:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24218 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:20:14 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15208; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:19:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:19:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15198; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:19:33 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id TAA09966; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:22:12 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:22:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9410202247.AA22999@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Oct 1994, Robert George wrote: > Hey guys, you're forgetting one thing: the bandwidth of a PC's serial port > is 960K bytes/sec. SCSI is 5M bytes/sec, and Fast SCSI-2 is 10M bytes/sec. > Your're going to take a serious performance hit if you put a hard drive > on your serial port. It would be great for tape backups though. If the purpose is for archival storage, it's a similar speed to tape or floppy and w/o the swaps. I will concur though that if I was gonna spend some money, I'd do the tape unit. From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 01:44:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02263 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:46:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16488; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:48:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:48:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16478; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:48:42 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24870; Thu, 20 Oct 94 16:50:52 PDT Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 16:50:52 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410202350.AA24870@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? In-Reply-To: Mail from '"Donald A. Whiteside" ' dated: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:22:11 -0400 (EDT) > Hey guys, you're forgetting one thing: the bandwidth of a PC's serial port ^^^^^^ > on your serial port. It would be great for tape backups though. ^^^^^^ Oops! Sorry folks, last night was an all-nighter -- I meant _parallel_ port. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 01:44:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05933 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:58:55 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16257; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:43:43 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:43:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA16246; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:43:40 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA09519; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 18:43:35 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 19:44:06 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <71047.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Why no third party solutions? In message Thu, 20 Oct 94 10:06:18 PDT, Don Whiteside writes: > I'm all batteried out - I've got two, which with the amazinly long life > of my mono 750 is all I need. I _would_ buy a 30 second battery for the > adaptor port so I could change batteries w/o powering down, though. If you keep using the TP, when the battery gets too low it should automatically go into suspend (unless you've disabled this feature), at which point you can swap batteries - there is an internal NiCd battery (right next to the extra memory slot) which will keep your machine alive in suspend for a few minutes. I've occasionally gotten this to work without going into suspend (i.e. my TP was running without a battery in it) but I haven't figured out how I did this. > I will buy immidiately a mini-dock/port replicator with SCSI. The exact > moment someone shows it to me. Really. Even if it was true blue and cost > the usual $too-much. So someone - go make it. I'm still don't understand WHY in this world of CD-ROM drives, extra hard drives, tape backups, scanners, etc. PC notebook manufacturers still insist on using IDE. I too would almost immediately buy a port replicator with SCSI, although I'd much rather have it built into the machine. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu jokim@uni.uiuc.edu This message sent by NUPop ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cartoon by Mike Luckovich: Briefer: "Intelligence reports North Korea's new leader is erratic, overweight and has a big hairdo. He wasn't in the military which may lessen his sway with the armed forces. He's obsessed with women ..." Clinton: "Lemme guess. He also plays the saxophone ..." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 01:44:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20307 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:46:04 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20237; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:46:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:46:46 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20227; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 20:46:44 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id RAA11552; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 17:46:41 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id RAA12716; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 17:46:37 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410210046.RAA12716@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 17:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9410202006.AA19489@opus.objy.com> from "Bruce Reed" at Oct 20, 94 01:06:02 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > One warning here is if you want to use SCSI tape drives you better > make sure the PCMCIA SCSI card you purchase comes with it's own backup > software. Most of the SCSI backup products are coded with specific SCSI > drivers in mind and most likely won't support your PCMCIA card. I was > hoping to use Norton Backup with my new Adaptec SLIM-SCSI and an Exabyte > tape drive and discovered that it only supports well-known ISA and LB SCSI > cards. I'm stuck with the Trantor's TapeMate software supplied with > the SlimSCSI. > > --Bruce Doesn't the Slim SCSI come with Adaptec drivers? Presumably, the whole industry pretty much supports those... ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 01:44:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04400 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:31:40 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22058; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:16:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:16:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22040; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:16:45 -0400 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxmmv14455; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 21:16:36 -0400 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22692; Thu, 20 Oct 94 18:12:40 PDT Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA18896; Thu, 20 Oct 94 18:17:46 PDT Received: from localhost by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24155; Thu, 20 Oct 94 18:14:26 PDT Message-Id: <9410210114.AA24155@opus.objy.com> To: Randal Whittle Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 20 Oct 94 17:46:36 PDT." <199410210046.RAA12716@aludra.usc.edu> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4 6/24/94 Date: Thu, 20 Oct 94 18:14:25 -0700 From: Bruce Reed > Doesn't the Slim SCSI come with Adaptec drivers? Presumably, > the whole industry pretty much supports those... The SlimSCSI is a Trantor device with an Adaptec name. The drivers are derivations of the Trantor drivers, so if you're software supports the Trantor line you're probably okay. The TapeMate software I'm using is part of the SCSIworks package distributed will all Trantor devices. Now if I could just get an OS/2 driver I'd be happy. Adaptec claims the problem is a lack of native OS/2 card and socket services. I said "you ever heard of WARP 3?" Their reply was, "well, it hasn't shipped yet." Surprising that the leader in PC SCSI is behind while the upstart Qlogic has been testing beta drivers for two months now. Maybe if enough people scream at 'em they'll get off their butts. --Bruce From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 01:44:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16022 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:14:50 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25188; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:43 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA25172; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:42 -0400 Received: (from postman@localhost) by andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA02292 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:37 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs3.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.32.pmax.ul4.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.pcs3.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: ethernet pcmcia card I'm looking for a 10bast-T ethernet Pcmcia card for my 755cs machine any suggestions? ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sang Kim I want the world to know that I sk6k@andrew.cmu.edu LOVE Alexis Hayes, the babe from University of Denver. (wow, what a knockout!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 12:52:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28286 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:14:48 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01173; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:35:26 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:35:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01136; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:35:21 -0400 Message-Id: <199410210935.FAA01136@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-11.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07400; Fri, 21 Oct 94 01:52:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 94 01:52:33 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? X-Mailer: >> on your serial port. It would be great for tape backups though. > ^^^^^^ >Oops! Sorry folks, last night was an all-nighter -- I meant _parallel_ port. Oops! Then cancel my last message! :) EPP can exceed rates of 600Kps. It can easily go into 1Mps at least but I'm not sure what the limit is... --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 12:53:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28388 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:16:00 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01027; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:34:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:34:45 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from icebox.mfltd.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01008; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:34:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (jfid@localhost) by icebox.mfltd.co.uk (8.6.4/8.6.4) id JAA17094 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 09:40:50 +0100 Message-Id: <199410210840.JAA17094@icebox.mfltd.co.uk> From: jfid@mfltd.co.uk (James Fidell) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 09:40:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: Sang H Kim's note of Oct 20, 10:05pm To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ethernet pcmcia card Sang H Kim wrote: > I'm looking for a 10bast-T ethernet Pcmcia card for my 755cs machine > any suggestions? I'm using a Portable Add-ons PCMCIA card which supports both 10base2 and 10baseT. James. -- "Yield to temptation -- | it may not pass your way again" | jfid@mfltd.co.uk | - Lazarus Long | James Fidell From ???@??? Fri Oct 21 12:53:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28407 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:16:13 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01137; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:35:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:35:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA01096; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 05:35:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199410210935.FAA01096@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-11.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06940; Fri, 21 Oct 94 01:45:55 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 94 01:45:55 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? X-Mailer: >> > There are a number of parallel port hard drives for a reasonable >Your're going to take a serious performance hit if you put a hard drive >on your serial port. It would be great for tape backups though. Actually, we're (or I) am talking about parallel port hard drives, which can reach access times of 12ms or better and decent thoroughput under EPP. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 01:45:27 1994 Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22167 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 13:47:33 -0500 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18746; Fri, 21 Oct 94 11:49:55 PDT Date: Fri, 21 Oct 94 11:49:55 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410211849.AA18746@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 8/1551 Re: Why Re: Why no third party solutions? In-Reply-To: Mail from 'ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou)' dated: Fri, 21 Oct 94 01:45:55 -0500 Cc: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu > >Your're going to take a serious performance hit if you put a hard drive > >on your serial port. It would be great for tape backups though. > > Actually, we're (or I) am talking about parallel port hard drives, > which can reach access times of 12ms or better and decent thoroughput > under EPP. You're missing the point. If you have a hard disk drive with a reasonably fast throughput you are an order of magnitude faster than the bandwidth of the parallel port on the ThinkPad. The acess (average seek) time of the drive has nothing to do with any of this. Basically you are going to have a drive which is sitting around waiting for it's data to be transferred over a very small bottleneck. Consider the Sigma Data drives which have a buffer-to-host transfer rate of 6 _Megabytes_ /sec trying to transfer data over the 960 _Kilobytes_ /sec of the EPP port. You essentially have a 600% overhead on all traffic going to the ThinkPad. BTW, I'm a little dubious of the transfer rates over a PCMCIA SCSI interface as well. The PCMCIA interface operates at 25Mhz, which is plenty fast, but there's an awful lot of software overhead to get through the socket services, card services, card drivers... Does anyone have any throughput statistics of one of the PCMCIA SCSI cards? | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 01:45:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24102 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:57:11 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10350; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:37:39 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:37:38 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom15.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10340; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:37:36 -0400 Received: by netcom15.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id LAA11006; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:33:58 -0700 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:33:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Arie Litman Subject: Re: ethernet pcmcia card (fwd) To: TP-750 List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Im using Xircom, had no problem with it... OS/2 support stinks, but otherwise it is ok for windows.... Arie Litman (408) 324-4411 Litman@netcom.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:08:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Randal Whittle To: Sang H Kim Cc: TP Subject: Re: ethernet pcmcia card > I'm looking for a 10bast-T ethernet Pcmcia card for my 755cs machine > any suggestions? I like my 3Com Etherlink III card. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 01:45:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24697 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:58:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07991; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:08:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:08:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07981; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 14:08:49 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA16235; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:08:47 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id LAA04798; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:08:43 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410211808.LAA04798@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: ethernet pcmcia card To: sk6k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sang H Kim) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 11:08:42 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Sang H Kim" at Oct 20, 94 10:05:00 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm looking for a 10bast-T ethernet Pcmcia card for my 755cs machine > any suggestions? I like my 3Com Etherlink III card. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 01:45:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12201 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:40:47 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12994; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:15:00 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:14:59 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from bsdi.nucleus.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA12980; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:14:46 -0400 Received: (twkary@localhost) by bsdi.nucleus.com (8.6.8.1/8.6.5) id MAA02828; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 12:49:14 -0600 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 12:49:13 -0600 (MDT) From: Tim Kary To: "John H. Kim" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Why no third party solutions? In-Reply-To: <71047.jokim@mit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Oct 1994, John H. Kim wrote: > If you keep using the TP, when the battery gets too low it should > automatically go into suspend (unless you've disabled this feature), at > which point you can swap batteries - there is an internal NiCd battery > (right next to the extra memory slot) which will keep your machine alive in > suspend for a few minutes. I've occasionally gotten this to work without > going into suspend (i.e. my TP was running without a battery in it) but I > haven't figured out how I did this. John: This ability to swap out the batteries on the fly is not only helpful, but is an "as advertised" feature of the TP750 according to the Users Manual. I've used it a few times when I just couldn't stop everything to replace a battery pack. Tim Kary --------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Kary twkary@nucleus.com |"Imagination is more 403-262-7021 | important than knowledge." 403-262-1392 - FAX | - Albert Einstein --------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 01:45:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20342 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 16:01:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15489; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:44:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:44:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from wilma.cs.utk.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA15469; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:44:31 -0400 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id PAA14549; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:43:12 -0400 Message-Id: <199410211943.PAA14549@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: Sang H Kim Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, moore@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: ethernet pcmcia card In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 20 Oct 1994 22:05:00 EDT." Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 15:43:06 -0400 Sender: moore@CS.UTK.EDU > I'm looking for a 10bast-T ethernet Pcmcia card for my 755cs machine > any suggestions? The IBM card works fine for me. I normally use 10base2, but I have a 10baseT MAU that I use for when I go on the road and plug into someone's net. For me it's nice to have both MAUs. One disadvantage of the IBM card is that the MAUs (especially for 10base2) are rather large. For portability's sake I want everything to be as small as possible. I understand IBM has re-designed theirs since I got my card, but I haven't seen them. My office mate has a different card for his compaq aero that has a very small MAU, which he likes very much. Performance of all of these cards is probably about the same, if for no other reason than most of them use the same chips inside. (However, that doesn't mean they will all run the same software...there are tiny differences like how the attribute registers are mapped into pcmcia attribute memory space, and where the ethernet address rom lives.) So besides size, another important difference between cards has to do with the driver software that they supply and how well it works on your system. But since I don't use DOS, Windows, or OS/2, I can't comment on the driver software for any of the cards I've seen. Keith From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 01:45:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03773 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 21 Oct 1994 20:43:14 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25946; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 18:14:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 18:14:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA25936; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 18:14:25 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA27051; Fri, 21 Oct 1994 17:14:21 -0500 Date: Fri, 21 Oct 1994 17:14:20 -0500 (CDT) From: John Kim Subject: Re: 8/1551 Re: Why Re: Why no third party solutions? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9410211849.AA18746@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 21 Oct 1994, Robert George wrote: > Consider the Sigma Data drives which have a buffer-to-host transfer rate ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > of 6 _Megabytes_ /sec trying to transfer data over the 960 _Kilobytes_ /sec > of the EPP port. You essentially have a 600% overhead on all traffic > going to the ThinkPad. Buffer-to-host transfer rate, not disk-to-host transfer rate. Most drives can't read off the disk faster than 1MB/sec. So you'll only suffer the 600% overhead for a fraction of a second. Unless of course if you've got a 6MB cache built into the hard drive, in which case it could last a full second. The advantage of SCSI's bandwidth is more apparent when you have multiple devices hanging off the same SCSI chain. -- John H. Kim jokim@mit.edu From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 01:45:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15111 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:20:04 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07773; Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:36:16 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:36:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA07763; Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:36:14 -0400 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA11807 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:36:09 -0400 Received: via switchmail; Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs16.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pcs16.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.44.sun4c.411.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs16.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs16.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:35:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: Date: Sat, 22 Oct 1994 14:35:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: CD ROM drives and scsi interface If I want to get a 2x speed CD-ROM drive connected to a PCMCIA SCSI card, what kind of SCSI card should I get? I have tp 755Cs thanks in advance. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sang Kim I want the world to know that I sk6k@andrew.cmu.edu LOVE Alexis Hayes, the babe from University of Denver. (wow, what a knockout!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 01:46:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27715 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 24 Oct 1994 19:49:48 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27504; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 19:35:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 19:35:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27473; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 19:35:24 -0400 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxnbi24489; Mon, 24 Oct 1994 19:35:15 -0400 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01209; Mon, 24 Oct 94 16:31:07 PDT Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA02094; Mon, 24 Oct 94 16:36:31 PDT Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14410; Mon, 24 Oct 94 16:32:57 PDT Date: Mon, 24 Oct 94 16:32:57 PDT From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9410242332.AA14410@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Video wierdness under OS/2 WARP I've just upgraded my 750 from OS/2 2.1 to OS/2 WARP Beta II. So far I'm pretty impressed. It's got integrated PCMCIA (with EzPlay renamed to "Play At Will"), ThinkPad audio, and ThinkPad video. The auto-configurator seems to recognize more cards and both my ATT KIT modem and my 3COM EtherlinkIII are now identified. The problem is, I've have this nasty video anomaly that I get when I run full-screen WinOS2. As soon as it enters graphics mode an inch of the top and bottom of the screen are trashed and appear to be sandwiched together into a single image. The bottom portion is deliminted by a heavy line. Looks the wrong Windows display driver is being used and forcing it into some useless video mode. The problem persists when switching back to the OS/2 desktop and full-screen text sessions as well. About all I can do is reboot. Anyone OS/2 users out there seen this? I'd reinstall the ThinkPad supplied video drivers, but I assume the WARP drivers replace them. I've checked my system.ini file, but all of the display driver statements are pointing to the OS/2 Thinkpad drivers. If anyone has this working and wouldn't mind sending me a copy of your system.ini file that might help. Thanks, --Bruce From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 13:35:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09073 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:07:22 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27522; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:15:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:15:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27505; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:15:42 -0400 Message-Id: <199410250715.DAA27505@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-22.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15149; Tue, 25 Oct 94 02:12:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 02:12:50 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Hard drive on the EPP X-Mailer: >You're missing the point. If you have a hard disk drive with a reasonably >fast throughput you are an order of magnitude faster than the bandwidth of >the parallel port on the ThinkPad. The acess (average seek) time of the >drive has nothing to do with any of this. Basically you are going to have >a drive which is sitting around waiting for it's data to be transferred over >a very small bottleneck. I understand the concept of thoroughput. I guess I'm wondering whether or not that's the real issue here. I don't know how often you are using contiguous files that are large enough to notice a big difference in thoroughput. Now, while I agree that EPP isn't the best way, I do think it's not bad, especially if you are intelligent about the way you store data. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 13:35:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09415 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:10:17 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29036; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:31:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:31:26 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA29026; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:31:24 -0400 Message-Id: <199410250731.DAA29026@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-22.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17113; Tue, 25 Oct 94 02:28:38 -0500 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 02:28:38 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Video wierdness under OS/2 WARP X-Mailer: >I've just upgraded my 750 from OS/2 2.1 to OS/2 WARP Beta II. I had Warp Beta II for quite a while on a TP750C with no problems...however, I did NOT include support for Windows. >is deliminted by a heavy line. Looks the wrong Windows display >driver is being used and forcing it into some useless video mode. I think you've hit it on the nail. Try manually changing the Windows drivers. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 13:35:03 1994 Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10267 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 03:21:04 -0500 Received: from [130.235.41.20] (saturnus-10.efd.lth.se) by kobra.efd.lth.se with smtp (perl jhmail 0.20) (rfc1413: f91el@saturnus-10.efd.lth.se) id 2eacbfd8_6cd1_1 ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:20:40 MET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:20:36 +0100 From: Erik Lindahl To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, f91el@efd.lth.se In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 25 Oct 1994 02:28:38 EST." <199410250731.DAA29026@CS.UTK.EDU> Subject: Re: Video wierdness under OS/2 WARP I know of another problem with the Warp betas and ThinkPads; apparently the external higher resolutions are NOT supported! I noticed this myself on the Warp II, and a number of people have reported that this is not fixed in the gamma pre-release! Let's just hope that they fix it in GA, or at least produce a TP-bugfix soon after release.... (Hm.. IBM make wonderful machines; but it would be i good idea to make their own OS work on their own machines...) BTW, i read a folder the other day TP 755 CE/CD and the new TFT-screen. They specify that it can display up to 65,536 colours. Has anybody tested the new drivers with our old machines? (Is the video chip the same? It would be nice to have more colours, even if it's only on ext. screen?) Regards, Erik From ???@??? Tue Oct 25 14:47:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07861 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:37:24 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07830; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:01:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:01:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from hing.LCS.MIT.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07820; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:01:32 -0400 Received: (from wilson@localhost) by hing.LCS.MIT.EDU (8.6.9/8.6.9) id MAA11469; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:01:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 12:01:24 -0400 From: "Wilson J. Chan" Message-Id: <199410251601.MAA11469@hing.LCS.MIT.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 750C 12M RAM 170 HD, Ethernet Forsale Reply-To: wilson@hing.LCS.MIT.EDU Address: 4580 Darcelle Drive, Union City, CA 94587 Office Phone: (510) 441-0218 Hi, I'm interested in selling my 10-month-old ThinkPad 750C. It has the following features: 33MHz Intel 486SL Processor with built-in FPU 12 MB of Main Memory 170 MB of Hard Disk 10.4" Active Matrix TFT Screen IBM 10-Base-T Ethernet Card Perfect Keyboard (no paint fade) DOS and Windows Installed All original packaging I'll throw in a Port-brand carrying case ($90 value) Asking: $3750 or best offer --Wilson Chan wilson@mit.edu 510-441-0218 From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:04:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13466 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:48:20 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17610; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:25:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:25:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17555; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:25:11 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA25351; Tue, 25 Oct 94 14:24:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 14:24:56 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410251824.AA25351@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, wilson@hing.LCS.MIT.EDU Subject: Re: 750C 12M RAM 170 HD, Ethernet Forsale $3750 for a used 33MHz 750C is much too high. For $3295 you can buy a new 50MHz 755C with a 170 meg drive, adding the extra 8MB of memory and ethernet card would bring the cost of a new 755C comparably equipped to about the same price. I would have thought that $2500 was a more realistic price. One of the troubles with THinkpads is that they are (a) expensive and (b) because of frequent upgrades, lose their value very quickly. Incidentally the thinkpad price I quote is from EXEL in NYC, 1-800-486-EXEL. There are actually three or four places advertising immediate availability of 755C's in NYC at pretty reasonable prices (the EXEL price for a 75MHz 755C wutg a 340 meg drive is $5295, and New Tech (1-800-554-9747) is advertising immediate availability of 75MHz 755C's with 540 meg drives for $5595. From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:04:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25165 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:13:22 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25220; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:03:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:03:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from top.cis.syr.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25208; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:03:55 -0400 Received: from top.cis.syr.EDU by lohengrin.top.cis.syr.edu id aa03012; 25 Oct 94 16:01 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:01:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Yen-Chiun Tseng Subject: Re: 750C 12M RAM 170 HD, Ethernet Forsale To: ThinkPad750 Mailing List In-Reply-To: <9410251824.AA25351@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 25 Oct 1994, Robert Dewar wrote: > One of the troubles with THinkpads is that they are (a) expensive and (b) > because of frequent upgrades, lose their value very quickly. 100% agree! From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:04:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00314 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:24:05 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24394; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 15:53:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 15:53:24 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA24382; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 15:53:21 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA29436; Tue, 25 Oct 94 15:53:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 15:53:04 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410251953.AA29436@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Memory options from IBM actually $2,129 sounds pretty good to me for a 32MB card. Sure you can do a little better mail order ($1890 is the best price I have seen so far), but that's not much difference for getting the official IBM supported card (which always has the advantage that it is clear who to blame if it does not work!) From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:04:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06162 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:36:46 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19064; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:44:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:44:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18977; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:44:00 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA25973 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:43:45 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA07728; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:35:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:35:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Memory options from IBM Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Nothing spectacular in this announcement except that IBM came out with their own 32MB Dram card. Prices are on the high side. The only surprising thing is mention of a "Thinkpad Power Series 850" notebook. Does anyone know anything about this as I don't recall it ever being announced? Presumably, it's a Power PC with all the thinkpad features. Josh Hosseinof hosseino@yu1.yu.edu ----------------------- Options by IBM: Memory Products Announced on October 25, 1994 PRODUCT Announcement 194-378 Under the Options(TM) by IBM(R) brand, 13 memory upgrade products are introduced as part of IBM's family of low-power (LP) memory expansion options. Designed on a convenient and small form factor, these memory upgrades provide a logical growth path for system memory upgrades in IBM laptop systems and portables with compatible slots. With larger and more powerful operating systems and applications becoming available, the upgrades provide you with cost-effective solutions. If only one upgrade slot is available on the system, you may want to evaluate upgrading to the maximum based on immediate requirements and projected future requirements. The IBM IC (integrated circuit) DRAM (direct random access memory) cards are credit card-sized memory expansion options designed for ThinkPad(R) and other laptop or portable computer applications. Because of their durability, ease of use, ease of installation, and ease of handling, the cards are also used in selected PowerPC(TM) applications. The SO (small outline) DIMMS (dual inline memory modules) are also memory expansion options for ThinkPad systems and are packaged in a small, space-saving card. These "SIMM-like" cards are only 2.35-inches long and 1- to 1.25-inches high with 72-pin gold-plated contacts arranged in a staggered dual row. Single Part Unit Description Number Price IC DRAM Memory 4MB Upgrade - 70ns 5v Parity 92G7232 $ 329 8MB Upgrade - 70ns 5v Parity 92G7233 615 16MB Upgrade - 70ns 5v Parity 92G7234 1,105 4MB (PPS)* - 70ns 5v Parity 92G7238 329 8MB (PPS) - 70ns 5v Parity 92G7241 615 16MB (PPS) - 70ns 5v Parity 92G7265 1,105 32MB (PPS) - 70ns 5v Parity 92G7269 2,129 4MB Upgrade - 70ns 5v Non-Parity 92G7236 295 8MB Upgrade - 70ns 5v Non-Parity 92G7237 589 16MB Upgrade - 70ns 5v Non-Parity 92G7424 1,035 SO DIMM Memory 4MB Upgrade - 70ns 3.3v Non-Parity 92G7259 299 8MB Upgrade - 70ns 3.3v Non-Parity 92G7261 599 16MB Upgrade - 70ns 3.3v Non-Parity 92G7263 1,095 Planned Availability Date: December 5, 1994 (TM) Trademark of International Business Machines Corporation (R) Registered trademark of International Business Machines Corporation * PowerPC Personal Systems IN BRIEF . . . +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ | | | For ThinkPad 700/720/750/755, ThinkPad Power Series 850, and | | PC Power Series 600 systems: | | | | o 4MB, 8MB, 16MB, and 32MB IC DRAMS 5 volts parity | | | | For ThinkPad 360 systems: | | | | o 4MB, 8MB, and 16MB IC DRAMS 5 volts non-parity | | | | For other compatible ThinkPad 3.3 volt non-parity systems: | | | | o 4MB, 8MB, and 16MB SO DIMMS 3.3 volts non-parity | | | | For technical support: | | | | o Call the HelpCenter(R) (800-426-7299) | | or | | o Request technical information via IBM Faxback (800-426-3395). | | | +-------------------------------------------------------------------+ IBM 4MB, 8MB, AND 16MB IC DRAM MEMORY -- 70NS 5V LP PARITY (92G7232, 92G7233, 92G7234) IN BRIEF... o 4MB: 70ns (1M x 36) 88-pin 5v parity o 8MB: 70ns (2M x 36) 88-pin 5v parity o 16MB: 70ns (4M x 36) 88-pin 5v parity The IBM 4MB, 8MB, and 16MB (megabyte) IC DRAM Memory Cards offer low-power memory expansion to laptop and desktop systems. These credit card-sized IC DRAM cards expand the internal memory of a laptop/desktop by 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB simply by inserting them into an IC DRAM slot. Expanded DRAM capabilities enable higher application performance and more efficient system operation. These IC DRAM cards are part of an IBM family of low-power memory expansion cards that support low-power applications and aid in the extension of a laptop battery's operational life between recharges. The cards are packaged in IBM's durable laser-welded, stainless steel package, and are quick and convenient to install. The 4MB and 8MB IC DRAM upgrade cards can be installed on ThinkPad 700, 720, 750, and 755 systems. The 16MB IC DRAM upgrade card can be installed on IBM ThinkPad 750 and 755 systems. The cards support parity, operate at 5 volts low-power with an access time of 70ns, and are packaged in 88-pin credit card-sized durable, stainless steel cards. They are designed to function in systems with slots conforming to the JEIDA (Japan Electrical Industry Development Association)/JEDEC (Joint Electronic Device Engineering Council) industry standard guidelines 1.0 and 2.0 for DRAM cards. Note: LP = Low-Power Planned Availability Date: December 5, 1995 Technical Information Physical Specifications: o Width: 54.1 mm (2.13 in.) o Depth: 3.5 mm (.138 in.) o Length: 85.8 mm (3.38 in.) o Weight: .042 kg (1.5 oz) Operating Environment: o Temperature: 0(degs)C to 55(degs)C (32(degs)F to 131(degs) F) o Relative humidity: 95% maximum o Operating current: 1120mA maximum for the 4MB and 8MB cards; 1280mA maximum for the 16MB card Agency Approvals: Meets required operating criteria. Original Country of Origin: Assembled in Canada. Components may be manufactured in the U.S.A., Japan, Korea, Germany, Italy, or Ireland. Note: This may vary through the life of the product. Hardware Requirements -- IBM Systems: The IBM 4MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Parity (#2120, 92G7232) and 8MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Parity (#2121, 92G7233) are supported on the following platforms: Machine Manufacturer Type Model ThinkPad 700/720 9552 (All) 300, 301, 307, 308 30B, 30J ThinkPad 750 9545 (All) 006, 008, 206, 208, 306, 308, 40C, 40E ThinkPad 755 9545 (All) E0C, E0E, E0G, K0C, K0E, K0G, F0C, F0E, F0G, L0C, L0E, L0G, 6BC, 6BD, 6BE, 7BC, 7BD, 7BE, 9BD, 9BE PS/2(R) CL57SX Laptop 8554 045 The IBM 16MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Parity (#2122, 92G7234) is supported on the following platforms: Machine Manufacturer Type Model ThinkPad 750 9545 (All) 006, 008, 206, 208, 306, 308, 40C, 40E ThinkPad 755 9545 (All) E0C, E0E, E0G, K0C, K0E, K0G, F0C, F0E, F0G, L0C, L0E, L0G, 6BC, 6BD, 6BE, 7BC, 7BD, 7BE, 9BD, 9BE Hardware Requirements -- Non-IBM Systems: o 70ns o Organization - 4MB - 1M x 36 bits - 8MB - 2M x 36 bits - 16MB - 4M x 36 bits o Parity 5 volts o 88-pin IC DRAM sockets compatible with the JEIDA/JEDEC industry standard guidelines 1.0 and 2.0 for DRAM cards Software Requirements: o IBM DOS 5.2, or later, and Windows 3.1 o DOS 5.0, or later, and Windows 3.1 o OS/2(R) 1.3, or later Compatibility: The 4MB, 8MB, and 16MB cards are designed for IBM laptop and desktop systems that support the JEIDA/JEDEC industry standard for IC DRAM cards and the specifications as outlined in the Hardware Requirements section. Note: Some configurations may not be compatible. Limitations: An open compatible slot as specified in the Hardware Requirements section is required. Planning Information Cable Orders Required: No Installation Time: 30 minutes (average) Packaging: One box Shipment Group o IBM 4MB, 8MB or 16MB IC DRAM Upgrade 70ns 5v LP Parity o Installation and User's Guide o Registration Card Note: An Options by IBM Hardware Maintenance Manual Supplement (S83G-8275) is available in support of these products. Security, Auditability and Control These products use the security and auditability features of the host hardware, software, and/or application software. Terms and Conditions Field Installable Feature: Yes Warranty Period: Three years Warranty Service: Customer Carry-in Exchange (CCE) Customer Setup: Yes All other terms and conditions are the same as those applicable to the IBM machine type in which the feature is installed. Help and Service Information During the warranty period, technical support is available (800-426-7299) 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for answering any questions about your new IBM option. If you need warranty service, return or exchange is available. In addition, if your IBM option is installed in an IBM computer, you may be entitled to service at your location. Your technical support representative can help you determine the best alternative. Charges Single Part Unit Description Number Price* 4MB IC DRAM 5v Parity 92G7232 $ 329 8MB IC DRAM 5v Parity 92G7233 615 16MB IC DRAM 5v Parity 92G7234 1,105 * The single unit price reflects the purchase price for a single unit acquired from IBM, and is subject to change without notice. This price is for information purposes only, and shall not limit in any way the remarketers' ability to set their own prices for IBM products. IBM 4MB, 8MB, 16MB, AND 32MB IC DRAM MEMORY -- 70NS 5V LP PARITY (92G7238, 92G7241, 92G9265, 92G7269) IN BRIEF... o 4MB: 70ns (1M x 36) 88-pin 5v parity o 8MB: 70ns (2M x 36) 88-pin 5v parity o 16MB: 70ns (4M x 36) 88-pin 5v parity o 32MB: 70ns (8M x 36) 88-pin 5v parity The IBM 4MB, 8MB, 16MB, or 32MB (megabyte) IC DRAM Cards offer low-power memory expansion to laptop and desktop systems. These credit card-sized IC DRAM cards expand the internal memory of a laptop/desktop by 4MB. 8MB, 16MB, or 32MB simply by inserting them into an IC DRAM slot. Expanded DRAM capabilities enable higher application performance and more efficient system operation. These IC DRAM cards are part of an IBM family of low-power memory expansion cards that support low-power applications and aid in the extension of a laptop battery's operational life between recharges. The cards are packaged in IBM's durable, laser-welded, stainless steel package, and are quick and convenient to install. The 4MB and 8MB IC DRAM upgrade cards can be installed on IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 and IBM PC Power Series 600 systems. The 16MB and 32MB IC DRAM upgrade cards can be installed on IBM ThinkPad Power Series 850 systems. The cards support parity, operate at 5 volts low-power with an access time of 70ns, and are packaged in 88-pin credit card-sized durable, stainless steel cards. They are designed to function in systems with slots conforming to the JEIDA (Japan Electrical Industry Development Association)/JEDEC (Joint Electronic Device Engineering Council) industry standard guidelines 1.0 and 2.0 for DRAM cards. Note: LP = Low-Power Planned Availability Date: December 5, 1995 Technical Information Physical Specifications: o Width: 54.1 mm (2.13 in.) o Depth: 3.5 mm (.138 in.) o Length: 85.8 mm (3.38 in.) o Weight: .042 kg (1.5 oz) Operating Environment: o Temperature: 0(degs)C to 55(degs)C (32(degs)F to 131(degs)F) o Relative humidity: 95% maximum o Operating current: 1000mA maximum Agency Approvals: Meets required operating criteria. Original Country of Origin: Assembled in Canada. Components may be manufactured in the U.S.A., Japan, Korea, Germany, Italy, or Ireland. Note: This may vary through the life of the product Hardware Requirements -- IBM Systems: The IBM 4MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Parity (#4098, 92G7238) and IBM 8MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Parity (#4099, 92G7241) are supported on all models of the following IBM platforms/models: Machine Manufacturer Type From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:04:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06162 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:36:46 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19064; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:44:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:44:14 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18977; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:44:00 -0400 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA25973 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:43:45 -0400 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA07728; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:35:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 14:35:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Memory options from IBM Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ThinkPad Power Series 850 6020 PC Power Series 600 6030 The IBM 16MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Parity (#3986, 92G7265) and IBM 32MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v Low-Power, Parity (#3987, 92G7269) are supported on all models of the following IBM platforms/models: Machine Manufacturer Type ThinkPad Power Series 8506020 Hardware Requirements -- Non-IBM Systems: o 70ns o Organization - 4MB - 1M x 36 bits - 8MB - 2M x 36 bits - 16MB - 4M x 36 bits - 32MB - 8M x 36 bits o Parity 5 volts o 88-pin IC DRAM sockets compatible with the JEIDA/JEDEC industry standard guidelines 1.0 and 2.0 for DRAM cards Software Requirements: o IBM DOS 5.2, or later, and Windows 3.1 o MS DOS 5.0, or later, and Windows 3.1 o IBM OS/2 1.3, or later Compatibility: These products have been designed for IBM laptop and desktop systems that support the JEIDA/JEDEC industry standard for IC DRAM cards and the specifications as outlined in the Hardware Requirements section. Note: Some configurations may not be compatible. Limitations: An open compatible slot as specified in the Hardware Requirements section is required. Planning Information Cable Orders Required: No Installation Time: 30 minutes (average) Packaging: One box Shipment Group o IBM 4MB, 8MB, 16MB, or 32MB IC DRAM Upgrade 70ns 5v LP Parity o Installation and User's Guide o Registration Card Note: An Options by IBM Hardware Maintenance Manual Supplement (S83G-8275) is available in support of these products. Security, Auditability and Control These products use the security and auditability features of the host hardware, software, and/or application software. Terms and Conditions Field Installable Feature: Yes Warranty Period: Three years Warranty Service: Customer Carry-in Exchange (CCE) Customer Setup: Yes All other terms and conditions are the same as those applicable to the IBM machine type in which the feature is installed. Help and Service Information During the warranty period, technical support is available (800-426-7299) 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for answering any questions about your new IBM option. If you need warranty service, return or exchange is available. In addition, if your IBM option is installed in an IBM computer, you may be entitled to service at your location. Your technical support representative can help you determine the best alternative. Charges Single Part Unit Description Number Price* 4MB IC DRAM 5v Parity 92G7238 $ 329 8MB IC DRAM 5v Parity 92G7241 615 16MB IC DRAM 5v Parity 92G7265 1,105 32MB IC DRAM 5v Parity 92G7269 2,129 * The single unit price reflects the purchase price for a single unit acquired from IBM, and is subject to change without notice. This price is for information purposes only, and shall not limit in any way the remarketers' ability to set their own prices for IBM products. IBM 4MB, 8MB, AND 16MB IC DRAM MEMORY -- 70NS 5V LP NON-PARITY (92G7236, 92G7237, 92G7424) IN BRIEF... o 4MB: 70ns (1M x 32) 88-pin 5v non-parity o 8MB: 70ns (2M x 32) 88-pin 5v non-parity o 16MB: 70ns (4M x 32) 88-pin 5v non-parity The IBM 4MB, 8MB, and 16MB (megabyte) IC DRAM Cards offer low-power memory expansion to laptop and desktop systems. These credit card-sized IC DRAM cards expand the internal memory of a laptop/desktop by 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB simply by inserting them into an IC DRAM slot. Expanded DRAM capabilities enable higher application performance and more efficient system operation. These IC DRAM cards are part of an IBM family of low-power memory expansion cards that support low-power applications and aid in the extension of a laptop battery's operational life between recharges. The cards are packaged in IBM's durable, laser-welded, stainless steel package, and are quick and convenient to install. These IC DRAM upgrade cards can be installed on ThinkPad 360 systems. The cards support non-parity, operate at 5 volts low-power with an access time of 70ns, and are packaged in 88-pin credit card-sized durable, stainless steel cards. They are designed to function in systems with slots conforming to the JEIDA (Japan Electrical Industry Development Association)/JEDEC (Joint Electronic Device Engineering Council) industry standard guidelines 1.0 and 2.0 for DRAM cards. Note: LP = Low-Power Planned Availability Date: December 5, 1994 Technical Information Physical Specifications: o Width: 54.1 mm (2.13 in.) o Depth: 3.5 mm (.138 in.) o Length: 85.8 mm (3.38 in.) o Weight: .042 kg (1.5 oz) Operating Environment: o Temperature: 0(degs)C to 55(degs)C (32(degs)F to 131(degs)F) o Relative humidity: 95% maximum o Operating current: 800mA maximum for 4MB and 8MB; 880mA maximum for 16MB Agency Approvals: Meets required operating criteria. Original Country of Origin: Assembled in Canada. Components may be manufactured in the U.S.A., Japan, Korea, Germany, Italy, or Ireland. Note: This may vary through the life of the product. Hardware Requirements -- IBM Systems: The IBM 4MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Non-Parity (#2182, 92G7236), IBM 8MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Non-Parity (#2184, 92G7237), and IBM 16MB IC DRAM Card 70ns, 88-pin, 5v LP, Non-Parity (#2181, 92G7424), are supported on the following platforms: Machine Manufacturer Type Model ThinkPad 360 2620 (All) 00D, 00F, 20D, 20F, 30D, 30F, 50D, 50F, 80D, 80F, 80G, 90D, 90F, 90G Hardware Requirements -- Non-IBM Systems: o 70ns o Organization - 4MB - 1M x 32 bits - 8MB - 2M x 32 bits - 16MB - 4M x 32 bits o Non-parity 5 volts o 88-pin IC DRAM sockets compatible with the JEIDA/JEDEC industry standard guidelines 1.0 and 2.0 for DRAM cards Software Requirements: o IBM DOS 5.2, or later, and Windows 3.1 o MS DOS 5.0, or later, and Windows 3.1 o IBM OS/2 1.3, or later Compatibility: These products are designed for IBM laptop systems that support the JEIDA/JEDEC industry standard for IC DRAM cards and the specifications as outlined in the Hardware Requirements section. Note: Some configurations may not be compatible. Limitations: An open compatible slot as specified in the Hardware Requirements section is required. Planning Information Cable Orders Required: No Installation Time: 30 minutes (average) Packaging: One box Shipment Group o IBM 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB IC DRAM Upgrade 70ns 5v LP Non-Parity o Installation and User's Guide o Registration Card Note: An Options by IBM Hardware Maintenance Manual Supplement (S83G-8275) is available in support of these products. Security, Auditability, and Control These products use the security and auditability features of the host hardware, software, and/or application software. Terms and Conditions Field Installable Feature: Yes Warranty Period: Three years Warranty Service: Customer Carry-in Exchange (CCE) Customer Setup: Yes All other terms and conditions are the same as those applicable to the IBM machine type in which the feature is installed. Help and Service Information During the warranty period, technical support is available (800-426-7299) 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for answering any questions about your new IBM option. If you need warranty service, return or exchange is available. In addition, if your IBM option is installed in an IBM computer, you may be entitled to service at your location. Your technical support representative can help you determine the best alternative. Charges Single Part Unit Description Number Price* 4MB IC DRAM 5v Non-Parity 92G7236 $ 295 8MB IC DRAM 5v Non-Parity 92G7237 589 16MB IC DRAM 5v Non-Parity 92G7424 1,035 * The single unit price reflects the purchase price for a single unit acquired from IBM, and is subject to change without notice. This price is for information purposes only, and shall not limit in any way the remarketers' ability to set their own prices for IBM products. IBM 4MB, 8MB, AND 16MB SO DIMM MEMORY -- 70NS 3.3V LP NON-PARITY (92G7259, 92G7261, 92G7263) IN BRIEF... o 4MB: 70ns (1M x 32) 72-pin 3.3v non-parity o 8MB: 70ns (2M x 32) 72-pin 3.3v non-parity o 16MB: 70ns (4M x 32) 72-pin 3.3v non-parity The IBM 4MB, 8MB, and 16MB (megabyte) SO DIMM Upgrade Cards offer low-power memory expansion to laptop systems. These small outline, space-saving, 72-pin DIMM cards expand the internal memory of a laptop by 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB simply by inserting them into a SO DIMM slot. Expanded memory capabilities enable higher application performance and more efficient system operation. These SO DIMM cards are part of an IBM family of low-power memory expansion cards that support low-power applications and aid in the extension of a laptop battery's operational life between recharges. The cards are packaged in a small form approximately 2.35-inches long by 1-inch high with 72-pin gold plated contacts on a staggered dual row. The 4MB, 8MB, and 16MB SO DIMM upgrade cards can be installed on compatible ThinkPad systems. The cards support non-parity, operate at 3.3 volts low-power with an access time of 70ns, and are packaged on 72-pin small outline, space-saving cards. They are designed to function in systems that support 16-, 32-, and 64-bit applications. Note: LP = Low-Power Planned Availability Date: December 5, 1994 Technical Information Physical Specifications: o Width: 25.4 mm (1 in.) o Depth: 3.8 mm (.15 in.) o Length: 59.69 mm (2.35 in.) Operating Environment: o Temperature: 0(degs)C to 55(degs)C (32(degs)F to 131(degs)F) o Relative humidity: 95% maximum o Operating current: 640mA maximum for 4MB, 170mA maximum for 8MB, and 600mA maximum for 16MB Agency Approvals: Meets required operating criteria. Original Country of Origin: Assembled in Canada. Components may be manufactured in the U.S.A., Japan, Korea, Germany, Italy, or Ireland. Note: This may vary through the life of the product. Hardware Requirements: The IBM 4MB SO DIMM Card 70ns, 72-pin, 3.3v LP Non-Parity (#3975, 92G7259) is supported on IBM ThinkPad Systems compatible with the following specifications: o 70ns o 1M x 32 bits organization o Non-parity 3.3 volts o 72-pin SO DIMM sockets compatible with staggered dual row mating The IBM 8MB SO DIMM Card 70ns, 72-pin, 3.3v LP Non-Parity (#3976, 92G7261) is supported on IBM ThinkPad Systems compatible with the following specifications: o 70ns o 2M x 32 bits organization o Non-parity 3.3 volts o 72-pin SO DIMM sockets compatible with the staggered dual row mating The IBM 16MB SO DIMM Card 70ns, 72-pin, 3.3v LP Non-Parity (#3977, 92G7263) is supported on IBM ThinkPad Systems compatible with the following specifications: o 70ns o 4M x 32 bits organization o Non-parity 3.3 volts o 72-pin SO DIMM sockets compatible with staggered dual row mating Compatibility: These products have been designed for IBM laptop systems that support SO DIMM cards and the specifications as outlined in the Hardware Requirements section. Note: Some configurations may not be compatible. Software Requirements: o IBM DOS 5.2, or later, and Windows 3.1 o MS DOS 5.0, or later, and Windows 3.1 o IBM OS/2 1.3, or later Limitations: An open compatible slot as specified in the Hardware Requirements section is required. Planning Information Cable Orders Required: No Installation Time: 30 minutes (average) Packaging: One box Shipment Group o IBM 4MB, 8MB, or 16MB SO DIMM Upgrade 70ns 3.3v LP Non-Parity o Installation and User's Guide o Registration Card Note: An Options by IBM Hardware Maintenance Manual Supplement (S83G-8275) is available in support of these products. Security, Auditability, and Control These products use the security and auditability features of the host hardware, software, and/or application software. Terms and Conditions Field Installable Feature: Yes Warranty Period: Three years Warranty Service: Customer Carry-in Exchange (CCE) Customer Setup: Yes All other terms and conditions are the same as those applicable to the IBM machine type in which the feature is installed. Help and Service Information During the warranty period, technical support is available (800-426-7299) 24 hours a day, seven days a week, for answering any questions about your new IBM option. If you need warranty service, return or exchange is available. In addition, if your IBM option is installed in an IBM computer, you may be entitled to service at your location. Your technical support representative can help you determine the best alternative. Charges Single Part Unit Description Number Price* 4MB SO DIMM 3.3v Non-Parity 92G7259 $ 299 8MB SO DIMM 3.3v Non-Parity 92G7261 599 16MB SO DIMM 3.3v Non-Parity 92G7263 1,095 * The single unit price reflects the purchase price for a single unit acquired from IBM, and is subject to change without notice. This price is for information purposes only, and shall not limit in any way the remarketers' ability to set their own prices for IBM products. From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:05:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12056 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:49:24 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26951; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:28:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:28:00 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26933; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:27:54 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA24403; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 15:27:51 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:28:21 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <59303.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Video wierdness under OS/2 WARP In message Tue, 25 Oct 1994 09:20:36 +0100, Erik Lindahl writes: > BTW, i read a folder the other day TP 755 CE/CD and the new TFT-screen. > They specify that it can display up to 65,536 colours. Has anybody > tested the new drivers with our old machines? (Is the video chip the same? > It would be nice to have more colours, even if it's only on ext. screen?) Actually, the TFT screen on the 750C was advertised as capable of 32,768(?) colors. VGA is capable of 262,144 different colors, but can only display 16 of them at a time. You have to be careful and determine if they're talking about the video or the screen itself. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:05:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15508 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:57:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26970; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:28:08 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:28:07 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA26960; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:28:05 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA24410; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 15:28:01 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:28:30 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <59312.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Hard drive on the EPP In message Tue, 25 Oct 94 02:12:50 -0500, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) writes: >> You're missing the point. If you have a hard disk drive with a >> reasonably fast throughput you are an order of magnitude faster than >> the bandwidth of the parallel port on the ThinkPad. > I understand the concept of thoroughput. I guess I'm wondering > whether or not that's the real issue here. I don't know how often > you are using contiguous files that are large enough to notice a big > difference in thoroughput. Did my message not get out? The 5-10MB/sec specification being waved around for many new drives is the burst transfer rate - i.e. moving data from the built-in cache to the computer. The vast majority of disks can only read data off the platter at 500k/s - 1MB/s. If your drive is rated at 10MB/sec and it has a 256k cache, the maximum time penalty for using EPP is waiting 0.25 seconds instead of .025 seconds. In typical use, you'll barely notice the difference. All this changes if you hook up multiple SCSI devices to the same EPP. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:05:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01079 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 17:36:20 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02395; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 17:35:53 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 17:35:51 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02377; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 17:35:44 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA05559; Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:58:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:58:07 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410252058.AA05559@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Hard drive on the EPP 500k/s - 1MB/s for disk transfer rate is very pessimistic. I have the 810 meg disk on my 755C, and hibernation of 36 megs takes about 22 seconds. From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:05:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16185 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:21:45 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04452; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:03:21 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:03:16 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04437; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:03:12 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA26831; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 17:03:01 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:03:30 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <65011.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Hard drive on the EPP In message Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:58:07 -0400, dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) writes: > 500k/s - 1MB/s for disk transfer rate is very pessimistic. I have the 810 > meg disk on my 755C, and hibernation of 36 megs takes about 22 seconds. Here's a quick chart based on the disk's physical specifications (sectors per track i.e. sectors in one revolution, and rpm) based on the standard 512 byte sectors: kilobytes passing under disk head each second RPM 1800 3600 5400 Sec/Trk ------------------------------ 17 | 255k 510k 765k 33 | 495k 990k 1485k 43 | 645k 1290k 1935k 63 | 945k 1890k 2835k Most of the older disks I know of are 33 sectors/track and 1800 rpm. 3600rpm disks started showing up in force a couple years ago, and 5400 rpm disks are still pretty rare (usually advertised as optimized for multimedia). 33 sectors/track seems to be the most popular. You can figure out the rest. The rate on the chart is the FASTEST the drive can read data off the disk - 1:1 interleave, data in sequential order on only one track, no bad sectors, etc. The drive can exceed this speed for a fraction of a second via a cache hit, but the sustained data transfer rate will not be much higher. There are LOTS of drives with LOTS of different specs so don't take the above chart as covering all drive types. I have no idea what the specs on the TP's hard drives are. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:05:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00054 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:10:12 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07986; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:04:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:03:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07975; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:03:56 -0400 Received: by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA22716; Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:06:07 PDT Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:06:07 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410252306.AA22716@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Hard drive on the EPP In-Reply-To: Mail from '"John H. Kim" ' dated: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 18:03:30 -0500 (EST) >Did my message not get out? The 5-10MB/sec specification being waved around >for many new drives is the burst transfer rate - i.e. moving data from the >built-in cache to the computer. The vast majority of disks can only read Since the IBM ThinkPad hard drives have a 32KByte cache, the cache is practically insignificant for most throughput calculations. >data off the platter at 500k/s - 1MB/s. If your drive is rated at 10MB/sec >and it has a 256k cache, the maximum time penalty for using EPP is waiting >0.25 seconds instead of .025 seconds. In typical use, you'll barely notice >the difference. Wrong! The ThinkPad's disks have a data transfer rate off the platter of 24.5 - 35.8 Mbits/sec (quoting from the IBM internal technical documents). This, of course, equates to ~ 3 - 4.5 MBytes/sec. > > Here's a quick chart based on the disk's physical specifications (sectors > per track i.e. sectors in one revolution, and rpm) based on the standard > 512 byte sectors: > > kilobytes passing under disk head each second > > RPM 1800 3600 5400 > Sec/Trk ------------------------------ > 17 | 255k 510k 765k > 33 | 495k 990k 1485k > 43 | 645k 1290k 1935k > 63 | 945k 1890k 2835k Yes, I agree with this table, however these specifications were state-of-the -art 3 years ago. > > Most of the older disks I know of are 33 sectors/track and 1800 rpm. > 3600rpm disks started showing up in force a couple years ago, and 5400 rpm > disks are still pretty rare (usually advertised as optimized for The Micropolis SCSI-2 drive I just bought for my PC rotates at 5400 RPM -- and it wasn't outrageously expensive. > multimedia). 33 sectors/track seems to be the most popular. You can > figure out the rest. The rate on the chart is the FASTEST the drive can > read data off the disk - 1:1 interleave, data in sequential order on only > one track, no bad sectors, etc. The drive can exceed this speed for a > fraction of a second via a cache hit, but the sustained data transfer rate > will not be much higher. The IBM drives spin at 3800 RPM, and have 112 sectors per track. > I have no idea what the specs on the TP's hard drives are. > In typical use, you'll barely notice the difference. [...by using EPP] Empirically, I can say unequivocally that this is not true. Those of you out there who have desktop PC's with Fast SCSI-2 controllers, try turning off synchronous transfers, which will drop your bus transfer rate from 10 MBytes/sec to 5 MBytes/sec. You will notice a severe performance degredation under _normal_ DOS and Windows applications. The bottom line is, if you are using a modern disk drive, don't waste it on an EPP port. Invest in a Fast SCSI-2 PCMCIA adaptor! Sorry my posts are at spurious intervals, I'm usually juggling multiple research projects as well as flying around the country... | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:05:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06095 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:28:07 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09347; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:31:45 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:31:42 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA09336; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 19:31:40 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA08136; Tue, 25 Oct 94 19:31:30 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 19:31:30 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410252331.AA08136@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Hard drive on the EPP "sorry my posts are at spurious intervals" interesting phrase, what exactly is a spurious interval? :-) From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:05:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08547 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 25 Oct 1994 23:03:01 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21444; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 22:54:59 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 22:54:58 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21434; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 22:54:57 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA02735; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 21:54:53 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 22:55:24 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <82525.jokim@mit.edu> To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Hard drive on the EPP In message Tue, 25 Oct 94 16:06:07 PDT, george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) writes: >> data off the platter at 500k/s - 1MB/s. If your drive is rated at >> 10MB/sec and it has a 256k cache, the maximum time penalty for using >> EPP is waiting 0.25 seconds instead of .025 seconds. In typical use, >> you'll barely notice the difference. > Wrong! *Ahem* Quite enthusiastic today, aren't we? :-) I'll concede, you win. Although I still say for perhaps 50+% of the drives out there the performance of EPP will be acceptable. > The ThinkPad's disks have a data transfer rate off the platter of > 24.5 - 35.8 Mbits/sec (quoting from the IBM internal technical documents). > This, of course, equates to ~ 3 - 4.5 MBytes/sec. Curious. What are the specs on the 340MB drive? How come Norton insists I'm only getting 982k/sec throughput? I'm a little chagrined at you calling the throughput of my drive "state of the art 3 years ago." If the 540MB or 810MB drive is 3-4x faster than the 340MB drive, I'm going to save up my money. >> Most of the older disks I know of are 33 sectors/track and 1800 rpm. >> 3600rpm disks started showing up in force a couple years ago, and >> 5400 rpm disks are still pretty rare (usually advertised as optimized > > The Micropolis SCSI-2 drive I just bought for my PC rotates at 5400 RPM -- > and it wasn't outrageously expensive. Well, I never said they were outrageously expensive. Just rare - you're typically not going to get one unless you find out which models have the faster spindle speed and specifically order it. >> I have no idea what the specs on the TP's hard drives are. >> > The IBM drives spin at 3800 RPM, and have 112 sectors per track. Say, since you've overflowing with all this info on the TP drives, do you know where we can buy a case for it, or where we can buy the funky little connector inside the case? (Actually, I've tracked down the plug at the drive end, it's just the cable and the TP plug I need) > out there who have desktop PC's with Fast SCSI-2 controllers, try turning > off synchronous transfers, which will drop your bus transfer rate from > 10 MBytes/sec to 5 MBytes/sec. You will notice a severe performance > degredation under _normal_ DOS and Windows applications. Since I doubt your drive is capable of >5MB/sec sustained transfer, would you care to speculate what causes the performance degredation? It may be useful to know, since what you're saying is that drops in throughput beyond the sustained transfer rate of a drive (i.e. transfer rate of 5MB/sec dropped to EPP's 1MB/sec on a 900k/sec SCSI drive) can cause a severe performance hit. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 01:05:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26353 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 00:15:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23344; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 23:29:49 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 23:29:48 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA23333; Tue, 25 Oct 1994 23:29:46 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA12658; Tue, 25 Oct 94 23:24:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 23:24:38 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410260324.AA12658@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil, jokim@mit.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Hard drive on the EPP of course you won't see anything LIKE the rated drive speed using Norton, because of software system overhead! From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 13:26:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16857 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 02:23:23 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02449; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 02:30:50 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 02:30:49 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA02435; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 02:30:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199410260630.CAA02435@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from ruger-41.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22019; Wed, 26 Oct 94 01:27:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 01:27:57 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: RE: Hard drive on the EPP X-Mailer: >The bottom line is, if you are using a modern disk drive, don't waste it >on an EPP port. Invest in a Fast SCSI-2 PCMCIA adaptor! Still gotta wait on the results of those before jumping to any conclusions. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 13:26:51 1994 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA05228 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:04:15 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA05115 (5.67b/IDA-1.5); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:03:49 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA05097 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for dreamer@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:03:43 -0500 Received: by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu id AA05074 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for stunnels@uiuc.edu); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:03:40 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:03:40 -0500 X-Ph: V3.17@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu X-Ph: V3.17@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu From: Andrew Trapp Message-Id: <199410261403.AA05074@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu> To: stunnels@uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Bust? Reply-To: stunnels@uiuc.edu X-Sender: STunnels Errors-To: stunnels-request@uiuc.edu >Of course, this analysis begs the question: do only the dominant pair of >stunnelers get to mate? Since stunnelers are 99% male (probably closer to 99.99%), reproduction is a problem. I think it's done asexually. :-) Unicop: "Geez! I caught four last week, now there's eight of 'em down there! Time to get this infestation under control. BUG-BOMB THE STUNNELS!!!" -- Andrew Trapp, dreamer@uiuc.edu List Admin, UIUC STunnels list: stunnels@uiuc.edu Subscribe, unsubscribe, list probs, etc.: stunnels-request@uiuc.edu From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 13:26:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22366 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:01:40 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04418; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:24:47 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:24:44 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA04407; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:24:42 -0400 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA07970; Wed, 26 Oct 94 10:24:36 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 10:24:36 -0400 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410261424.AA07970@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: thinkpad prices Andy Stevens pointed out to me that I seriously goofed on prices in my most recent past, so here is a correction: the $3295 was for a 755CS, the cheapest price I have found on a real 755C with 170 meg hard drive and 50MHz processor is $4495, quite a difference! So that means the asked price on an old 750 is not so out of line (althouh it still seems high to me, anyway, let the market decide that!) From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 13:26:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03408 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:26:00 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05680; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:41:34 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:41:31 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05656; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:41:12 -0400 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Wed, 26 Oct 94 15:40 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0r09Wp-0003gPC; Wed, 26 Oct 94 15:40 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:38:33 +0200 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: Hard drive cases/connectors X-Mailer: John Kim wrote: >Say, since you've overflowing with all this info on the TP drives, do you >know where we can buy a case for it, or where we can buy the funky little >connector inside the case? (Actually, I've tracked down the plug at the >drive end, it's just the cable and the TP plug I need) Does this mean if we got hold of the TP-end plug we could connect up a drive *without* the case? Presumably the cable itself is trivial, just normal ribbon stuff -- all that's needed is the plugs at either end. I know it's not a clean tidy solution having a naked drive rattling around inside your portable, but I for one would tolerate it for the sake of hundreds of dollars of savings on a drive expansion. Furthermore, is it conceivable then that this would allow attachment of arbitrary IDE drives, ie by running the ribbon cable outside the TP's housing, or are the electrical characteristics of TP drives unique somehow (aside from the normal considerations of power-draw). Tim From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 13:27:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10698 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:42:38 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07818; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:09:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:09:35 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07799; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:09:28 -0400 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Wed, 26 Oct 94 15:40 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0r09Wn-0003gOC; Wed, 26 Oct 94 15:40 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:38:31 +0200 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: Re: Memory options from IBM X-Mailer: So, which Thinkpads will take the DIMM's? Only 755's? It doesn't seem to be explicit in the announcement. Tim From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 13:27:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15195 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:56:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13970; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:29:57 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:29:55 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13955; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:29:49 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA08474; Wed, 26 Oct 94 10:29:11 MDT Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 10:29:11 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9410261629.AA08474@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: OS/2 Warp I've decided to give Warp a try on my TP and would appreciate some advice regarding which media to buy, 3.5" disks or CD-ROM. If I go CD-ROM, I'll need to use the CD-ROM drive installed in my desktop machine in conjuction with Interlink/Laplink or something similar. While I'm pretty sure I know the answer already (NO!), I'm gonna ask anyway: Has anyone tried this/does it work? I'm not real wild about shuffling some 30+ disks during install, but since osmosis probably won't work either, my alternatives are rather limited ;) Thanks for any suggestions. _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | "True perfection can be Denver, CO. 80201 | found in the details" From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 13:27:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17520 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:01:30 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14340; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:31:44 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:31:41 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14328; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:31:38 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id JAA29820; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:31:21 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id JAA14098; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:31:18 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410261631.JAA14098@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors To: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Tim Vetter" at Oct 26, 94 03:38:33 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > John Kim wrote: > > >Say, since you've overflowing with all this info on the TP drives, do you > >know where we can buy a case for it, or where we can buy the funky little > >connector inside the case? (Actually, I've tracked down the plug at the > >drive end, it's just the cable and the TP plug I need) > > Does this mean if we got hold of the TP-end plug we could connect up a drive > *without* the case? Presumably the cable itself is trivial, just normal > ribbon stuff -- all that's needed is the plugs at either end. I know it's > not a clean tidy solution having a naked drive rattling around inside your > portable, Aw, heck--a little duct tape would take care of *that* problem. :) Or you could even sort of make your *own* "case" and stick it in their somehow (duct tape, again?). SO--can this cable be created and the case thing ignored? > but I for one would tolerate it for the sake of hundreds of > dollars of savings on a drive expansion. > Tim ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 14:15:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18231 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:10:38 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19504; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:54:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:54:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19494; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:54:17 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA14639; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:54:15 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:54:44 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <50085.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Hard drive cases/connectors In message Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:38:33 +0200, uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) writes: >>Say, since you've overflowing with all this info on the TP drives, do you >> know where we can buy a case for it, or where we can buy the funky >> little connector inside the case? (Actually, I've tracked down the >> plug at the drive end, it's just the cable and the TP plug I need) > > Does this mean if we got hold of the TP-end plug we could connect up a > drive *without* the case? Presumably the cable itself is trivial, just > normal ribbon stuff -- all that's needed is the plugs at either end. I Well, the case is trivial - just epoxy some pieces of plastic together. The cable is the problem - it isn't the normal ribbon type cable. It looks like metal etched onto a flexible plastic backing. The widths of the plugs on either end are different so the cable compresses the wires into a smaller width at one end. > Furthermore, is it conceivable then that this would allow attachment of > arbitrary IDE drives, ie by running the ribbon cable outside the TP's > housing, or are the electrical characteristics of TP drives unique somehow > (aside from the normal considerations of power-draw). You could, but if you blow the fuse on the TP in this manner, your warranty is gone. IBM wasn't able to/wouldn't tell me the maximum power the hard drive should draw so all we have is the IBM drives themselves to go on. Someone else had that information. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 14:34:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19801 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:13:34 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20329; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:06:24 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:06:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20294; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:06:08 -0400 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxnhw09833; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:05:52 -0400 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07055; Wed, 26 Oct 94 11:01:32 PDT Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA26336; Wed, 26 Oct 94 11:07:02 PDT Received: from localhost by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01853; Wed, 26 Oct 94 11:04:22 PDT Message-Id: <9410261804.AA01853@opus.objy.com> To: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 26 Oct 94 10:29:11 MDT." <9410261629.AA08474@amazon.den.mmc.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4 6/24/94 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 11:04:20 -0700 From: Bruce Reed > > I've decided to give Warp a try on my TP and would appreciate > some advice regarding which media to buy, 3.5" disks or CD-ROM. > > If I go CD-ROM, I'll need to use the CD-ROM drive installed in my > desktop machine in conjuction with Interlink/Laplink or something > similar. While I'm pretty sure I know the answer already (NO!), > I'm gonna ask anyway: > > Has anyone tried this/does it work? I doubt it. OS/2 can only be installed from diskette or CD-ROM. There are no provisions for piping data to the install process. The best solution is to buy a Dock-I and attach a SCSI CD-ROM drive. One word of advice should you go the diskette route - I would buy the CD-ROM and use the supplied diskette images to create your laptop install diskettes. Tools are included for creating diskettes using DOS or OS/2. That way at least you'll have a CD-ROM for desktop install should you decide to take the plunge there. --Bruce From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 14:34:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20043 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:14:02 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19519; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:54:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:54:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19509; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:54:25 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA14635; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:54:06 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:54:37 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <50078.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Memory options from IBM In message Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:38:31 +0200, uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) writes: > So, which Thinkpads will take the DIMM's? Only 755's? It doesn't seem to > be explicit in the announcement. I asked someone on TP7xx development. The 32MB DIMM won't work on the TP750. I don't know about lesser sized DIMMs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 14:34:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20224 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:14:21 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19482; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:52:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:52:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from MIT.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA19470; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:52:26 -0400 From: Received: from M66-080-13.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA02735; Wed, 26 Oct 94 13:52:21 EDT Received: by m66-080-13.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA17072; Wed, 26 Oct 94 13:52:18 -0400 Message-Id: <9410261752.AA17072@m66-080-13.MIT.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: ajm1@mit.edu Subject: Linux PCMCIA cardmgr and others Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:52:17 EDT Well, at last i can say that i have a (mostly) stable Linux Box... I'm running kernel 1.1.55 with only the modifications to floppy.c and the -Ddoes_not_work_for_everybody_with_scsi_but_helps_ibm_vp CFLAG in the general Makefile. 1.1.55 no longer has the #DEFINE FIFO_BUG option, so i assume it is no longer needed. However, there are still some problems: 1- Coming in and out of X (2.11) is still screwy, it works with the suspend, but it is anoying notheless. I have found that pressing a mouse button (or moving it) during loading of the X server decreases the number of times the display gets screwed up during startup (no idea why). I'm using the modifications to the pvga1 driver by Michael Steiner and adding #define DUAL_SCAN in the makefile. BTW: I have a 750Cs w/ 8megs Does anyone know if XFree86 v3.1 has any of this fixed? just wondering... 2- I have a Megahertz XJack 2144 modem and i have pcmcia-2.2.3 installed. It seems as if the cardmgr daemon does not recognize this card all the time, and sometimes I get pcmem_cs.o loaded instead of serial_cs.o Is there a way to "hardwire" serial_cs.o as default? I tried adding it to rc.M (/sbin/insmod /usr/src/linux/modules/pcmcia/serial_cs.o) but i'm still missing something to make it work... Clues anyone? 3- One Word: APM, what's the deal with it? I know we have to patch it, but is it stable enough? I think that's about the sum of it... PS: Is anyone out there still selling 340meg HD's? I'm running out of spaaaaaaaaaaaace! Thanks again! Art Arturo J. Morales | ajm1@mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachusetts Institute of Technology -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies. From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 15:10:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05293 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:49:35 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21574; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:30:51 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:30:47 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21544; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:30:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199410261830.OAA21544@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-32.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16363; Wed, 26 Oct 94 13:27:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 13:27:57 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: thinkpad prices X-Mailer: >So that means the asked price on an old 750 is not so out of line (althouh >it still seems high to me, anyway, let the market decide that!) Actually, to let everyone know how well Thinkpads do hold there prices, I will admit to having sold mine for $4300 a mere month or so ago. And yes, the buyer was aware of the TP755 series. I sold a TP750C/12/340 setup with nothing else included. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 15:59:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00321 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:45:48 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21990; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:38:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:38:32 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21977; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 14:38:25 -0400 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA08547; Wed, 26 Oct 94 12:37:42 MDT Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 12:37:42 MDT From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9410261837.AA08547@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: OS/2 Warp I wrote: >> I've decided to give Warp a try on my TP and would appreciate >> some advice regarding which media to buy, 3.5" disks or CD-ROM. Bruce Reed wrote: > One word of advice should you go the diskette route - I would buy > the CD-ROM and use the supplied diskette images to create your > laptop install diskettes. Tools are included for creating diskettes > using DOS or OS/2. That way at least you'll have a CD-ROM for desktop > install should you decide to take the plunge there. Tim Tyhurst wrote: > I'd suggest CD-ROM, since you can create diskettes from the CD-ROM, > if necessary. Documentation on how to do so was included with Warp > Beta II, anyway. Thanks for the tip, guys. Sounds like CD-ROM is the way to go. Now I know what to do with those old v2.1 install disks..... - Karl From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 19:17:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06438 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:59:54 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01606; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:47:33 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:47:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01587; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:47:13 -0400 From: Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0r0FEe-0004u9C; Wed, 26 Oct 94 15:46 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0r0FEd-0009b1C; Wed, 26 Oct 94 15:46 CDT Received: from bart by bart.dsd.northrop.com with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0FEb-0002wvC; Wed, 26 Oct 94 15:46 CDT Message-Id: Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors To: jokim@mit.edu Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:45:34 -0500 (CDT) In-Reply-To: <50085.jokim@mit.edu> from "John H. Kim" at Oct 26, 94 01:54:44 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: strat@CS.UTK.EDU > Well, the case is trivial - just epoxy some pieces of plastic together. > The cable is the problem - it isn't the normal ribbon type cable. It looks > like metal etched onto a flexible plastic backing. The widths of the plugs > on either end are different so the cable compresses the wires into a smaller > width at one end. It's a flex pwb. I don't have time to deal with this, but someone with pwb software could layout that cable in a few hours. Getting together a group purchase shouldn't be that hard. The connector on the thinkpad should be possible to obtain. Why doesn't someone post on the compuserve forum and see if one of the product engineers will give out the part number. Otherwise look in a Digikey catalog, for example. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 19:17:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04988 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:12:36 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07124; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:04:06 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:04:05 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07114; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:04:01 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA20937; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:03:55 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:04:29 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <65070.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: To the guy who was selling the TP750C Sorry to bug everyone about this. I lost the original message. Regarding the TP750C for sale: If you're willing to split the package up, I might want to buy the ethernet card. What brand and model is it? Have you used it with MIT's Resnet? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Oct 26 19:17:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13869 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:41:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09038; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:31:32 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:31:30 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09028; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:31:28 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA21133; Wed, 26 Oct 1994 17:31:21 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 18:31:51 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <66712.jokim@mit.edu> To: strat@dsd.northrop.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors In message Wed, 26 Oct 1994 15:45:34 -0500 (CDT), strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) writes: >> The cable is the problem - it isn't the normal ribbon type cable. It >> looks like metal etched onto a flexible plastic backing. The widths >> of the plugs on either end are different so the cable compresses the >> wires into a smaller width at one end. > > It's a flex pwb. I don't have time to deal with this, but someone with > pwb software could layout that cable in a few hours. Getting together a > group purchase shouldn't be that hard. Sounds like beginnings of a plan to me. :-) Do you know someone that can manufacture this stuff? > The connector on the thinkpad > should be possible to obtain. Why doesn't someone post on the compuserve > forum and see if one of the product engineers will give out the part > number. Well I don't have a CompuServe account so if someone else could do this, we'd be much obliged. > Otherwise look in a Digikey catalog, for example. That's where I found the (standard) hard drive plug. I'm still leafing through that and other catalogs looking for the two other parts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Thu Oct 27 14:15:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18842 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 10:20:01 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10608; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 09:50:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 09:50:13 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10585; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 09:50:11 -0400 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0r0VCe-0004uAC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 08:49 CDT Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0r0VCd-0009b1C; Thu, 27 Oct 94 08:49 CDT Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r0VCc-0002wvC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 08:49 CDT Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors To: jokim@mit.edu Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 08:49:13 -0500 (CDT) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <66712.jokim@mit.edu> from "John H. Kim" at Oct 26, 94 06:31:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I found someone who will do the layout for zero cost, or next to it. > Sounds like beginnings of a plan to me. :-) Do you know someone that can > manufacture this stuff? I'm sure we can find someone to do a proto run (i.e. 10 cables). > Well I don't have a CompuServe account so if someone else could do this, > we'd be much obliged. I'll check around a little bit and suggest a source.... -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Thu Oct 27 14:15:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22957 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 11:36:55 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15475; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 10:49:29 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 10:49:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA15465; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 10:49:23 -0400 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Thu, 27 Oct 94 15:48 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0r0W8D-0003hJC; Thu, 27 Oct 94 15:48 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 15:47:18 +0200 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors X-Mailer: >Sounds like beginnings of a plan to me. :-) Do you know someone that can >manufacture this stuff? How about the Thinkpad User's Group Company (THUGCO). Only half jokingly, the collective knowledge of this group on issues of TP accessories/compatibility/user-needs probably far outstrips that of any OEM firm (though IBM itself still probably has us beat :-)). If some of you energetic young bizness types (Randy, you listening?) were to put do a little research into the mechanics and economics of commissioning offshore manufacturing runs, establishing distribution channels, venture finance, etc. etc., I'll bet we could put together a commercially-viable cottage production entity that could easily undercut IBM and the OEM suppliers on things like drive units, memory packages, batteries, expansion units. Myself I wouldn't care if such a thing were wildly profitable or not but it would be fun and, dammit, where the hell else am I gonna get a port replicator with built-in SCSI? Perhaps I'm naive about the realities of the rough-and-tumble hardware industry to think such a thing possible but there are good precedents in other sectors. In the late 70's a group of climbing enthusiasts in Vancouver became frustrated with the overpriced, technically-outmoded outdoor gear available from the dominant manufacturers, and started spec'ing out their own gear and commissioning small runs from various (predominantly East-Asian) job shops. The stuff was intended for their own use but it was so cheaply priced (near-zero overheads, mfg on bid) and in tune with the up-to-the-minute technical demands of the adventure-sport community (they could go from design to delivered good in a matter of weeks, unlike the dinosaur companies) that outside demand rapidly picked up. Now the Mountain Equipment Co-Operative is the #1 specialty mfr/retailer of outdoor gear in Canada, while still member-owned and operated. [Disclaimer: I am a member and satisfied customer!] The point is that a small group of enthusiasts *can* move a market if they have a bit of technical expertise, a lot of unmet needs, and an entrenched supplier community that is fat, slow-moving, and greedy. Any of this sound familiar? I would say of all the Intel notebooks the Thinkpad best lends itself to supporting a specialist third-party supplier. Just guessing, but between the 360/750/755 there are probably more units in existence than any other technically-consistent x86 portable "family". And IBM shows no signs of abandoning this successful architecture, what with (most) accessories being announced and sold to this day being forwards/backwards compatible throughout the line. And then there's the Trackpoint II/III, the only *real* Trackpoint, which for me cinches the future of the line. So, any thoughts on this fantasy? Bring me back to earth, someone, PLEASE! Best, Tim Vetter Frankfurt vetter@hookup.net uwe@odb.rhein-main.de From ???@??? Thu Oct 27 14:15:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15101 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 12:22:59 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20366; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 11:57:12 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 11:57:11 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom9.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20355; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 11:57:07 -0400 Received: by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id IAA14821; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 08:52:41 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 08:52:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: OS/2 Warp To: Karl Yeanoplos Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9410261629.AA08474@amazon.den.mmc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I did the disk thing and it was painful but worth the effort. I will soon be unsubscribing as my present address and resubscribing as mpsmith@ibm.net on the strength of the tools in warp. Finally a multi-threaded news/mail/www solution. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM On Wed, 26 Oct 1994, Karl Yeanoplos wrote: > > I've decided to give Warp a try on my TP and would appreciate > some advice regarding which media to buy, 3.5" disks or CD-ROM. > > If I go CD-ROM, I'll need to use the CD-ROM drive installed in my > desktop machine in conjuction with Interlink/Laplink or something > similar. While I'm pretty sure I know the answer already (NO!), > I'm gonna ask anyway: > > Has anyone tried this/does it work? > > > I'm not real wild about shuffling some 30+ disks during install, > but since osmosis probably won't work either, my alternatives are > rather limited ;) > > Thanks for any suggestions. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) > Martin Marietta Corp. | > P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | "True perfection can be > Denver, CO. 80201 | found in the details" > > From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 01:40:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13334 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 15:34:16 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00547; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 14:24:23 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 14:24:22 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00536; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 14:24:14 -0400 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id LAA09703; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 11:23:46 -0700 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id LAA11170; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 11:23:37 -0700 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199410271823.LAA11170@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors To: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 11:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Tim Vetter" at Oct 27, 94 03:47:18 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Sounds like beginnings of a plan to me. :-) Do you know someone that can > >manufacture this stuff? > > How about the Thinkpad User's Group Company (THUGCO). > > Only half jokingly, the collective knowledge of this group on issues of TP > accessories/compatibility/user-needs probably far outstrips that of any OEM > firm (though IBM itself still probably has us beat :-)). If some of you > energetic young bizness types (Randy, you listening?) were to put do a Intently. > little research into the mechanics and economics of commissioning offshore > manufacturing runs, establishing distribution channels, venture finance, > etc. etc., I'll bet we could put together a commercially-viable cottage > production entity that could easily undercut IBM and the OEM suppliers on > things like drive units, memory packages, batteries, expansion units. I didn't envision quite this wide of expansion, but I suggested something like this a week ago--targeting major notebook mfgrs. (IBM and Toshiba came to mind) and providing parts for them (i.e., cheaper batteries came to mind). > Myself I wouldn't care if such a thing were wildly profitable or not but it > would be fun and, dammit, where the hell else am I gonna get a port > replicator with built-in SCSI? While I identify with you sentiments here, you have to remember one *very* important thing: What is the real goal? I don't know if any of you have read a book called "The Goal" by Eli Goldratt (and I doubt you have--it is very popular, but mostly only among manufacturing types), but it discusses these issues. If you have not, and you enjoy a good story that teaches important business concepts, I *highly* recommend it. It sounds like a boring textbook case, but its not-- it is written in novel form and it is an enjoyable and intriguing story, not unlike a good mystery or science fiction novel. At any rate, the story goes that this guy has run a manufacturing plant for 6 months and finds out that unless he can turn it around, it will be closed in 3 months--leaving he and everyone out of a job. The key motivator in the book is one chapter where the main character runs across a former instructor from Engineering school. The instructor determines the plant is in trouble before the main character even knows it, and then suggests that his eye is not on the goal, and since he doesn't know what his goal is, he cannot run his plant effectively. After torturing himself over figuring out what the real goal is (is it Jobs? Quality? Low-Cost purchasing? Highly-developed Technology? So-called "efficiency"? Sales/Market Share?), he finally figures it out. Guess what? The plant wasn't built to provide jobs. It wasn't built to make high-quality products. It wasn't built to maximize sales or efficiciencies. And it wasn't built to show off technological feats. The goal is *always* the same for any business--and the goal is to make money. Everything--and I mean *everything* else--is just a means to achieving that goal. So Tim, I would have to disagree--the venture would *have* to be profitable to be worth anyone's time. It would be an awfully expensive hobby if you, I, or anyone merely considered it "fun". Fun is good too, but it shouldn't be the main objective. Nevertheless--if those on the group are serious about this--and I mean *serious*--I will *consider* writing a business plan--a complete womb-to-tomb business plan covering every area from Management & Organization to Cash Flows to Marketing to Operations--IF those with additional expertise in the areas you mentioned above (offshore manufacturing runs, establishing distribution channels, venture finance, etc.) are willing to work with me in providing the information necessary. Its a *huge* project, but through outsourcing and contracting, it could reasonably be done on an entreprenuerial level. The key here is it *does* tap into a niche market that is ignored by the "big boys" and niches are what gives the entrepreneur a fighting chance. Frankly, it is a *tremendous* opportunity here, and one which I am *very* interested in. You see, I am the entrepreneurial type looking for opportunities, but seldom are those opportunities in the high-tech arena that is so near and dear to my heart (unless you are fabulously wealthy and an ingenious engineer--which I am neither. I'm technically inclined, but no expert). Computers and technology in general are my first love. I'd like nothing more than to have it be my life's work in some way or another. > Perhaps I'm naive about the realities of the rough-and-tumble hardware > industry to think such a thing possible but there are good precedents in > other sectors. In the late 70's a group of climbing enthusiasts in > Vancouver became frustrated with the overpriced, technically-outmoded > The point is that a small group of enthusiasts *can* move a market if they > have a bit of technical expertise, a lot of unmet needs, and an entrenched > supplier community that is fat, slow-moving, and greedy. Any of this sound > familiar? You show a good example of a taking advantage of an unmet need in a niche market. This is what works. If you had said, "Let's build our own x86 notebook computer!" I'd have laughed in your face--that corridor has pretty much closed and we'd have little or no real competetive advantage over virtually any other cheapo mfgr. But this idea of THUGCO--such a concept would be all alone in its niche (until the copycats come along) and is destined to succeed, as long as it is properly backed financially and properly planned, marketed, and managed. Screw up on any of those things and you'll find yourself out of business. So I ask you all collectively--are you the least bit serious about this? Even if the money's not available--I guarantee you that if the Business Plan is feasible--and the whole concept is as good as I think it is--V.C.'s (Venture Capitalists) *will* put up the money to do it. E-mail the list for more discussion, but if you have real specifics, it may be best to E-Mail me privately. I am curious how many people are willing to get involved--there is no way I have the experience or expertise to handle the more technical areas and no way I could do it alone. Consider this a "feeler" invitation--I want to know what you all think. > So, any thoughts on this fantasy? Bring me back to earth, someone, PLEASE! I don't know if I did or not, but consider this a nudge. ;) > Tim Vetter > Frankfurt > > vetter@hookup.net > uwe@odb.rhein-main.de ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@chaph.usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 01:40:26 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17602 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 15:42:31 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04650; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 15:18:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 15:18:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04632; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 15:18:33 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA09784; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 14:18:31 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 14:18:29 -0500 (CDT) From: John Kim Subject: TP750, OS/2, and Ethernet To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm shopping for a PCMCIA ethernet card. Could those of you who've gotten such a beastie working on your TP75x running OS/2 please tell me what brand and model card you used? Thanks. From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 01:40:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28282 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 17:11:45 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12441; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 17:08:27 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 17:08:25 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12431; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 17:08:21 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA12701; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 16:07:34 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 17:08:04 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <61685.jokim@mit.edu> To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu, uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors In message Thu, 27 Oct 1994 11:23:36 -0700 (PDT), Randal Whittle writes: >> > Sounds like beginnings of a plan to me. :-) Do you know someone that >> > can manufacture this stuff? >> >> How about the Thinkpad User's Group Company (THUGCO). Interesting idea. Change the name. THUGCO sounds like a pack of hoodlums, cutthroats, and muggers. > So I ask you all collectively--are you the least bit serious about > this? Even if the money's not available--I guarantee you that if the > Business Plan is feasible--and the whole concept is as good as I think it > is--V.C.'s (Venture Capitalists) *will* put up the money to do it. Actually, all I'd envisoned was putting together a deal to get a bunch of these cables made, signing up enough people from this group to finance the order, and disbanding after it was all over. But I suppose most of the organizational work would coincide with setting up a more permanent business arrangement. I'll be happy to offer what little help I can if you go through with this. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 01:40:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07417 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 18:58:11 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19529; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:00:55 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:00:53 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19519; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:00:52 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id TAA28508; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:03:36 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:03:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" Subject: Re: TP750, OS/2, and Ethernet To: Thinkpad List In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 27 Oct 1994, John Kim wrote: > I'm shopping for a PCMCIA ethernet card. Could those of you who've gotten > such a beastie working on your TP75x running OS/2 please tell me what brand > and model card you used? Thanks. I've got a Linksys Ethercombo on my 750. The only disadvantage is that it won't work with card & socket services. (Something about the pcmcia version) But since I'm using the point enabler (C&SS was _too big_) that suited me just fine. It came with a packet driver and all the Novell and Workgroups drivers. It'll take 10baseT or 10base2 with no setting to change - it's autodetecting. And the price was right. One card I would _not_ reccomend is the Megahertz ethercard. I had it for 48 hours. It was $10 more then the ethercombo, and when I called them about getting the 10base2 dongle they quoted me a price of $100. Of course, this being Megahertz, they kept me on hold for 40 minutes first. This was the day before they discontinued 800 support, and I was damned if I'd wait for them on my dime in the future. Not to mention that the first tech I got on the phone didn't even know they made the card, then the second told me that 'the guy' who knew about what I was asking was not there that week. From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 01:40:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08350 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:01:01 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19618; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:04:35 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:04:34 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19608; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:04:33 -0400 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id TAA28621; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:07:16 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:07:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors To: Thinkpad List In-Reply-To: <61685.jokim@mit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 27 Oct 1994, John H. Kim wrote: > Actually, all I'd envisoned was putting together a deal to get a bunch of > these cables made, signing up enough people from this group to finance the > order, and disbanding after it was all over. Apologies - my mailer dumped messages for a few days - what cable do you mean? _I'd_ like to see this venture make a cheaper AC and Car adaptor. I paid $150 for my cig-lighter adaptor, which is just insane. I'd like another AC adaptor, but $90 is too damn much..... From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 01:40:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13876 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 27 Oct 1994 22:18:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29767; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 22:24:36 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 22:24:33 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nash.pubnix.qc.ca by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29757; Thu, 27 Oct 1994 22:24:24 -0400 Received: by nash.pubnix.qc.ca (5.65/1.35) id AA25432; Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:18:51 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 22:17:13 +0005 ($BE) From: Andre Laurendeau Subject: Re: TP750, OS/2, and Ethernet To: John Kim Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 27 Oct 1994, John Kim wrote: > I'm shopping for a PCMCIA ethernet card. Could those of you who've gotten > such a beastie working on your TP75x running OS/2 please tell me what brand > and model card you used? Thanks. Don't buy a Xircom !!! Their support of OS/2 is really bad. Their NDIS driver just make a trap d (or is it e ??). Their ODI driver doesn't support socket services. They are promising a new version of these drivers since last january ... I'm asking in the frequence of ounce a mount, and all I've got are promises ... Andre :================================================================: : Andre Laurendeau | Le Reseau Electronique du : : Avocat/Lawyer | Montreal Metropolitain : : (514) 278-1664 | (514) 990-REMM (990-7366) : : andrel@pubnix.qc.ca | Free-Net@remm.uqam.ca : :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~: : 1030 Beaubien e. #201, Montreal, Canada, H2S 1T4 : :~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~: : REMM - Le Free-Net de Montreal | REMM - Montreal's Free-Net : :================================================================: From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 01:40:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02465 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:27:44 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08939; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 00:49:02 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 00:49:01 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA08929; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 00:48:47 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03224; Thu, 27 Oct 94 21:50:43 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Oct 94 21:50:43 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410280450.AA03224@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors In-Reply-To: Mail from 'uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter)' dated: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 15:47:18 +0200 > Only half jokingly, the collective knowledge of this group on issues of TP > accessories/compatibility/user-needs probably far outstrips that of any OEM > firm (though IBM itself still probably has us beat :-)). If some of you I don't know. I get tired of explaining to the IBM techs how their hardware works. > I'll bet we could put together a commercially-viable cottage > production entity that could easily undercut IBM and the OEM suppliers on > things like drive units, memory packages, batteries, expansion units. Yeah, but would they be "ThinkPad Proven" ? :) Robert | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 01:40:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03139 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:31:18 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09458; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:03:37 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:03:36 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09448; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:03:34 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA12972; Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:05:46 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:05:46 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410280505.AA12972@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors In-Reply-To: Mail from '"Donald A. Whiteside" ' dated: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:07:15 -0400 (EDT) > _I'd_ like to see this venture make a cheaper AC and Car adaptor. I paid > $150 for my cig-lighter adaptor, which is just insane. I'd like another > AC adaptor, but $90 is too damn much..... I love the new micro-miniature ac adaptor on the 755's, but if you look at the electrical specs, this new adaptor doesn't support multi-frequency/ multi-voltage autoswitching like the big 750 ac adaptors. Luckily, I kept some of the ac adaptors from my 750's -- its nice when you're charging in a hotel room overseas! Robert From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 12:32:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15423 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 03:10:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09361; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:00:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:00:20 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09348; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:00:18 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04033; Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:02:26 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:02:26 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410280502.AA04033@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP750, OS/2, and Ethernet In-Reply-To: Mail from '"Donald A. Whiteside" ' dated: Thu, 27 Oct 1994 19:03:36 -0400 (EDT) > I've got a Linksys Ethercombo on my 750. The only disadvantage is that ... > Workgroups drivers. It'll take 10baseT or 10base2 with no setting to > change - it's autodetecting. Do they provide a soap-on-a-rope for both 10BaseT and 10Base2? The oem IBM Ethernet card I have will take both as well, but the adaptors are expensive. Also, 10BaseT supports full-duplex communications since, unlike 10Base2, it has seperate transmit and receive lines. I've heard that someone _has_ built a PCMCIA adaptor that does full duplex, but I didn't catch the manufacturer. ...now if only PC's would stop using 16-bit Ethernet transport!! Robert From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 12:32:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17269 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 03:34:47 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10055; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:16:17 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:16:15 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA10045; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 01:16:13 -0400 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA18689; Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:18:24 PDT Date: Thu, 27 Oct 94 22:18:24 PDT From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9410280518.AA18689@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP750, OS/2, and Ethernet > I've got a Linksys Ethercombo on my 750. The only disadvantage is that ... > Workgroups drivers. It'll take 10baseT or 10base2 with no setting to > change - it's autodetecting. Do they provide a soap-on-a-rope for both 10BaseT and 10Base2? The oem IBM Ethernet card I have will take both as well, but the adaptors are expensive. Also, 10BaseT supports full-duplex communications since, unlike 10Base2, it has seperate transmit and receive lines. I've heard that someone _has_ built a PCMCIA adaptor that does full duplex, but I didn't catch the manufacturer. ...now if only PC's would stop using 16-bit Ethernet transport!! Robert | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 12:32:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05068 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 05:18:09 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15535; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 03:07:03 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 03:07:02 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15525; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 03:07:00 -0400 Message-Id: <199410280707.DAA15525@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-8.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26110; Fri, 28 Oct 94 02:04:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 94 02:04:10 -0500 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Thinkware (THUGCO) X-Mailer: >> How about the Thinkpad User's Group Company (THUGCO). How about ThinkWare? > You show a good example of a taking advantage of an unmet need in >a niche market. This is what works. If you had said, "Let's build our own I've sent Randy email expressing my interest in this idea. We have quite a range of talent on this list and, if we could harness it, we could have quite an operation going. This niche market is an area that dearly needs fulfilling. The Thinkpad is full of untapped potential. And furthermore, the way IBM has been selling them, a big market may exist out there. That would have to be something we would have to look into of course. There are a number of areas to start with even on a small level -- take the PCMCIA ports for example. Simply selling an improved version may not only make many TP owners happier, but get us a start. Then we could move to docks, floppy bay expansion stuff, etc. There's a load of untapped potential. I hope that anyone interested will contact Randy. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Fri Oct 28 12:32:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09169 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 28 Oct 1994 12:10:06 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24187; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:38:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:38:18 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom11.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24177; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 11:38:16 -0400 Received: by netcom11.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id IAA15658; Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:34:46 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Oct 1994 08:34:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Stephen Hosmer Subject: Re: Why no third party solutions? To: Thinkpad List , Bruce Reed In-Reply-To: <9410210114.AA24155@opus.objy.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Have you had any response to your question RE Warp? I am waiting for an OS2/PCMCIA/SCSI solution, any ideas? shosmer@netcom.com On Thu, 20 Oct 1994, Bruce Reed wrote: > > > Doesn't the Slim SCSI come with Adaptec drivers? Presumably, > > the whole industry pretty much supports those... > > The SlimSCSI is a Trantor device with an Adaptec name. The drivers > are derivations of the Trantor drivers, so if you're software > supports the Trantor line you're probably okay. The TapeMate > software I'm using is part of the SCSIworks package distributed > will all Trantor devices. > > Now if I could just get an OS/2 driver I'd be happy. Adaptec claims > the problem is a lack of native OS/2 card and socket services. I said > "you ever heard of WARP 3?" Their reply was, "well, it hasn't shipped > yet." Surprising that the leader in PC SCSI is behind while the upstart > Qlogic has been testing beta drivers for two months now. Maybe if enough > people scream at 'em they'll get off their butts. > > --Bruce > From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:41:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28792 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 15:32:34 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01325; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 15:12:20 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 15:12:19 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01314; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 15:12:15 -0400 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxntc11326; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 15:12:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 94 14:59:44 PDT From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII John, I hope you don't mind my using a clip of our private conversation, but I thought I'd add my comments to the fray..... **** Don: Apologies - my mailer dumped messages for a few days - what cable do you mean? John: The cable that connects the hard drive to the Thinkpad. If you've opened up the hard drive casing, you'll know what we're talking about. Don: Ah. The concept being putting together your own replacement HD, I presume? John: Almost. If you buy the TP750 drives from IBM or that other place, the price is around $1200 for a 540 MB drive. If you buy an 540 MB IBM OEM notebook drive from a 3rd party vendor, it is around $600. This is the EXACT SAME drive, it just lacks the plastic housing and cable used in the Thinkpad. So either we pay IBM $600 for a silly plastic case and cable, or we do a little work and build our own. ----- So inspired, I poped open the case on my HD and took a look, and noticed a few things: One, the connector we've been talking about is stamped by AMP. If anyone is really interested in this venture, perhaps one of us should call them and see if these connectors were manufactured under an agreement of exclusivity. It is entirely possible IBM did not get such an agreement with them. However, I didn't spy a SN on the connector, so knowing which part to ask for could be a challenge. Two, very strange - the cable on my 170M drive was labeled 340M. _That_ made me think of the fact that the two preconfigured drive options on the 'pad are 170M and 340M, a factor of 2. (Well, those were the options on the 750 when I bought mine...) Is it possible the 170Ms are crippled 340Ms? Similar approaches have been taken in the history of the computing businesss..... Three, are these standard 2.5" IDE drives? Could, for example, any size Seagate be used here? (I was uncertain from your comment John if you meant they were generic or particular for the IBM) Or does the TP BIOS only support certain drive parameters? Or are they totally propriatary? (Unlikely IMHO, as the hassle of producing a non-standard configuration would seem more expensive than potential lose revenue) The other thing that occured to me is that if THUGCO were to go forward, perhaps there's another option to having cables and connectors made, at least in the beginning - if the cables are the same regardless of drive size, and I have no reason to think they're not, why not instead offer a trade-up option, thereby utilizing the cases and connectors, and reselling the old drives? Perhaps they could be mounted in a different manufacturer's laptops, one that does not offer the removable drives. The matter of the bios on those machines would have to be addressed, but I feel confident it could be reverse engineered. (I'm unsure of the legality there, as the BIOS is not being propigated to other machines) Hope this wasn't too long for you all.... ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:41:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23663 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 17:31:49 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08697; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 17:28:28 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 17:28:27 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08687; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 17:28:25 -0400 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA17301; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 16:28:17 -0500 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 17:28:47 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <62928.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors If the technical nature of this topic is beginning to bore a majority of you, speak up so we'll know to take it to email. In message Sat, 29 Oct 94 14:59:44 PDT, Don Whiteside writes: > So inspired, I poped open the case on my HD and took a look, and noticed ^^^^^^^^^^ Much easier said than done. :-) I gave up until I committed to buying a new drive. > Two, very strange - the cable on my 170M drive was labeled 340M. _That_ Perhaps this is the reason some people (including me) found that the connector doesn't exactly fit the new drive. I suspect IBM wstandardized dimensions between the 170 and 340 drives soon after production. It seems I got one of the older ones, and the 340 label on your cable suggests you got one of the later ones. > Three, are these standard 2.5" IDE drives? Could, for example, any > size Seagate be used here? Yes, they're standard. That's why they're available as OEM drives. To fit, the drive has to be 17mm high or less. Most of the 2.5" drives out are 19mm, and some (none over 250 MB last I checked) are 14mm. You *might* be able to fit a 19mm drive without a housing. > Or does the TP BIOS only support certain drive parameters? I was told by two different IBM people (both in notebook development) that the TP will accept any IDE drive that correctly responds to IDE queries for number of heads, cylinders, sectors, etc. i.e. it doesn't rely on a lookup table in the BIOS for the hard drive information - it asks the drive. A BIOS update was necessary for the 540MB and 810MB drives because they exceed the standard IDE size limit of 512MB. The new BIOS allows EIDE drives which can be larger than 512MB. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23108 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 20:30:23 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18265; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 20:27:30 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 20:27:28 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18255; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 20:27:26 -0400 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxntx08157; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 20:27:21 -0400 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 94 20:14:11 PDT From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >If the technical nature of this topic is beginning to bore a majority of >you, speak up so we'll know to take it to email. Indeed. I just thought some people here might be interested in the concept of replacing the innards as an alternative to buying a new one..... >> So inspired, I poped open the case on my HD and took a look, and noticed >Much easier said than done. :-) I gave up until I committed to buying a >new drive. It's not too bad. The trick is to get he two screws first, then lever a flathead jewler's screwdriver into the seam above the first set of snaps. Then the second, then the third. >> Two, very strange - the cable on my 170M drive was labeled 340M. _That_ > >Perhaps this is the reason some people (including me) found that the >connector doesn't exactly fit the new drive. I suspect IBM wstandardized >dimensions between the 170 and 340 drives soon after production. It seems >I got one of the older ones, and the 340 label on your cable suggests you >got one of the later ones. Maybe not so soon... I got my machine a day or two after it was discontinued, so mine may have been very late into the production. >> Three, are these standard 2.5" IDE drives? Could, for example, any >> size Seagate be used here? >Yes, they're standard. That's why they're available as OEM drives. To fit, >the drive has to be 17mm high or less. Most of the 2.5" drives out are >19mm, and some (none over 250 MB last I checked) are 14mm. You *might* be >able to fit a 19mm drive without a housing. Hmmm. My Seagate desk reference is only up to May 94, and the largest 2.5 drive it lists is 330, and that's a 19mm drive. I'll call their BBS and download the newest listing. I may step out to the bookstore and pick up a Computer Shopper too. >> Or does the TP BIOS only support certain drive parameters? > >I was told by two different IBM people (both in notebook development) that >the TP will accept any IDE drive that correctly responds to IDE queries for >number of heads, cylinders, sectors, etc. i.e. it doesn't rely on a lookup >table in the BIOS for the hard drive information - it asks the drive. Does this include the 720? My boss could desperately use an up, even if it's just to 200M. >A BIOS update was necessary for the 540MB and 810MB drives because they >exceed the standard IDE size limit of 512MB. The new BIOS allows EIDE >drives which can be larger than 512MB. I'm glad the BIOS is software upgradable then! ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14196 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 29 Oct 1994 23:12:27 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27248; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 23:11:22 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 23:11:21 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from anu.anu.edu.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27231; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 23:11:16 -0400 Received: from cscgpo.anu.edu.au by anu.anu.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20661; Sun, 30 Oct 94 14:11:09 EST Received: from huxley.anu.edu.au by cscgpo.anu.edu.au (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA29383; Sun, 30 Oct 94 14:13:57 EST Date: Sun, 30 Oct 94 14:13:57 EST From: alden.klovdahl@anu.edu.au (Alden S Klovdahl) Message-Id: <9410300313.AA29383@cscgpo.anu.edu.au> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: pentiums? any ideas about ... i) when the ibm pentium notebooks will be out? ii) whether these will be an incremental (eg, new chip only) or more significant (eg, larger displays) up-grade? thanks, al + Alden S. Klovdahl, Ph.D e-mail: ask611@anu.edu.au Department of Sociology fax: +61 62 49 05 25 The Faculties voice - The Australian National University messages: +61 62 49 45 21 Canberra A.C.T. my office: +61 62 49 44 79 Australia 0200 home: +61 62 82 35 81 From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23539 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 00:43:03 -0500 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03444; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 00:37:58 -0400 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 00:37:57 EDT Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tin.monsanto.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA03434; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 00:37:54 -0400 Received: from WOODS.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by tin.monsanto.com (5.65/Monsanto1.5) id AA22543; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 23:34:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 23:34:04 -0500 Message-Id: <9410300434.AA22543@tin.monsanto.com> From: snmauf@elm.monsanto.com (Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207) To: "tp750@cs.utk.edu"@TIN.monsanto.com Subject: internal sound board/modem for 360Cs I have the new 360Cs with dx2-50 (typing on it now, verrrrry nice) and saw in the book that there are internal modems and soundboard options in various countries. Does anbody which countries? The IBM rep says not the US..... How about Canada or England? Also, has anybody had any luck getting the Colorado Spectrum gameport dongle working on a Thinkpad? It hangs off the serial port.... Thanks ! Simon ///************************************************************************** // /// Simon Maufe ||| MAUFE@TWEETY.DIGSYS.COM // /// Daugerty Systems ||| 314-432-8200 office // /// St Louis ||| 314-257-8018 home // /// ||| 314-694-3207 client office // /// All opinions and thoughts are mine and not those of my employer or client / \\\************************************************************************** \\ From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07234 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 09:55:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07320; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 09:09:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 09:09:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07310; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 09:09:48 -0500 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxnwa25024; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 09:09:42 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 94 10:12:32 PST From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: RE: internal sound board/modem for 360Cs To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >I have the new 360Cs with dx2-50 (typing on it now, verrrrry nice) and >saw in the book that there are internal modems and soundboard options >in various countries. >Does anbody which countries? The IBM rep says not the US..... How >about Canada or England? There _are_ PCMCIA sound options available in the U.S - I've seen them in catalogs. Don't have any near me, however. Anyone looking for a less expensive option should call Surplus Software, who is closing out some of the serial or parallel options for _$50_. Call 1-800-555-1212 to get the number, I don't have it on me. ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:14 1994 Received: from longwood.cs.ucf.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08656 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 13:04:27 -0600 Received: by longwood.cs.ucf.edu id AA24517 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 14:04:38 -0500 Date: Sun, 30 Oct 1994 14:04:38 -0500 From: Michele Worley Message-Id: <199410301904.AA24517@longwood.cs.ucf.edu> To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: "What we have here is a failure to communicate" Newsgroups: alt.quotations In-Reply-To: Organization: University of Central Florida Cc: The film "Cool Hand Luke", spoken by the title character, who is played by Paul Newman. It's also spoken by the warden much earlier in the film. --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Michele L. Worley | Standard disclaimers apply. | | worley@cs.ucf.edu | | | UCF Computer Vision Laboratory| | --------------------------------------------------------------------- | God put me on Earth to accomplish a certain number of things. | | Right now I'm so far behind I will never die. | --------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29967 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 30 Oct 1994 20:39:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16843; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 20:48:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 20:48:52 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from iss.nus.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16833; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 20:48:49 -0500 Received: from grape.iss.nus.sg by iss.nus.sg (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA04544; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:51:43 +0800 From: kcheong@iss.nus.sg (Kevin Cheong) Message-Id: <9410310151.AA04544@iss.nus.sg> Subject: Re: internal sound board/modem for 360Cs - dx2/50? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:51:43 +0800 (SST) In-Reply-To: <9410300434.AA22543@tin.monsanto.com> from "Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207" at Oct 29, 94 11:34:04 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, just noticed this little bit of info. since my mailer was recently upgraded/modified/lost my mail, can anyone send me details of this "new machine". > I have the new 360Cs with dx2-50 (typing on it now, verrrrry nice) and > /// Simon Maufe ||| MAUFE@TWEETY.DIGSYS.COM // cheers, . kevin cheong nlp program institute of systems science . . kevin@iss.nus.sg national university of singapore . From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06134 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 06:44:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26112; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 06:54:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 06:54:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from merlion.singnet.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA26099; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 06:53:55 -0500 Received: (from wilsony@localhost) by merlion.singnet.com.sg (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA16089; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 19:53:19 +0800 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 19:53:19 +0800 (SST) From: Wilson Yip Subject: Prices of New 755s To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have been considering the prices of the new 755s. The old 755s prices have been reduced by 17% according to a clarinet report but the new ones are just as expensive as before. Its just my thought on the matter that this is probably due to high cost as the thinkpad notebooks are manufactured in Japan. It seems ironic to me that while a Japanese company like Toshiba would produce their notebooks in the US for that market, an American company like IBM would do exactly the opposite. Lets face it, Thinkpad owners like us have been hit by the high yen in in as much as owners of Toshiba notebooks have been enjoying the benefits of being insulated from foreign exchange rate fluctuations. I also venture to suggest that the reason why TPs are manufactured in Japan in the first place is because the concept and original development is largely a matter of IBM Japan. I wonder whether IBM intends to move production away from that country, dollar for dollar the PC Company cant be making as good a return on capital as their nearest competitor in the field of notebooks. I for one look forward to the day when Thinkpads can be produced in a country with a weak currency but with the same high quality as its now. .---------------- Wilson Yip ---------------------, | ____ ,__o | Internet: wilsony@singnet.com.sg | | ____ _-\_<, |----------------------------------| | (*)/'(*) | Singapore Fax: (65)225-0032 | `---------------------------------------------------' From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08245 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 07:15:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27980; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 07:25:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 07:25:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27960; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 07:25:29 -0500 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA13729; Mon, 31 Oct 94 07:25:23 -0500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 07:25:23 -0500 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9410311225.AA13729@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, wilsony@singnet.com.sg Subject: Re: Prices of New 755s Wilson, you seem to be confused between price and cost. Sure the cost maybe influenced by the place of manufacture, but the price is established by the market equilibrium combined with a judgment of its elasticity. Right now, since IBM can sell all the THinkpads it can make, at the price it is asking for, it is meaningless to speculate about reducing costs, that clearly wouldn't result in a price reduction, just in a higher margin. Sure, when there is sufficient competition, things will be different. That's what will affect the price! From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23675 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:04:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07990; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:53:35 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:53:33 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07979; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:53:28 -0500 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0r1y6C-0004uGC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:52 CST Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0r1y6A-0009b1C; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:52 CST Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1y69-0002wvC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:52 CST Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Connector To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 08:52:36 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit FYI, People interested in tp75x connectors, the following should help.... > George, The info I have is FOXCON pn qd61 33s1 26 pin Slim D connector. I don't > know anything about sourcing or pricing. Hope this helps. I think that this is the floppy connector (option bay). The connector on the disk appears to be the same style. Someone needs to count the number of pins (i.e. ~34). -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25880 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:09:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07656; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:48:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:48:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07618; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:48:52 -0500 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0r1y1i-0004uFC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:48 CST Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0r1y1h-0009b1C; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:48 CST Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1y1g-0002wvC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:48 CST Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors To: dwhite@shadow.net (Don Whiteside) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 08:48:00 -0600 (CST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: from "Don Whiteside" at Oct 29, 94 08:14:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >> Three, are these standard 2.5" IDE drives? Could, for example, any > >> size Seagate be used here? > >Yes, they're standard. That's why they're available as OEM drives. To fit, > >the drive has to be 17mm high or less. Most of the 2.5" drives out are > >19mm, and some (none over 250 MB last I checked) are 14mm. You *might* be > >able to fit a 19mm drive without a housing. > Hmmm. My Seagate desk reference is only up to May 94, and the largest 2.5 > drive it lists is 330, and that's a 19mm drive. I'll call their BBS and > download the newest listing. I may step out to the bookstore and pick up a > Computer Shopper too. I am not aware of any non-IBM high capacity 2.5" drives which 17mm high. There is a rumer that Hitachi (sp?) has one. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26976 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:11:19 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07497; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:47:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:47:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA07487; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 09:46:59 -0500 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0r1xzo-0004uAC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:46 CST Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0r1xzm-0009b1C; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:46 CST Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r1xzl-0002wvC; Mon, 31 Oct 94 08:46 CST Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: internal sound board/modem for 360Cs To: dwhite@shadow.net (Don Whiteside) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 08:46:01 -0600 (CST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: from "Don Whiteside" at Oct 30, 94 10:12:32 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > There _are_ PCMCIA sound options available in the U.S - I've seen them in > catalogs. Don't have any near me, however. Anyone looking for a less > expensive option should call Surplus Software, who is closing out some of the > serial or parallel options for _$50_. Call 1-800-555-1212 to get the number, > I don't have it on me. Be careful, these will only give you the capability that the 750 has, not full sound blaster. In other words, you will not be able to play just any game. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13215 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 11:48:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16435; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 11:31:16 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 11:31:14 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from tin.monsanto.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA16425; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 11:31:08 -0500 Received: from WOODS.DECnet MAIL11D_V3 by tin.monsanto.com (5.65/Monsanto1.5) id AA24162; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:26:28 -0600 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:26:26 -0600 Message-Id: <9410311626.AA24162@tin.monsanto.com> From: snmauf@elm.monsanto.com (Simon Maufe, Monsanto AG MIS, V2K, 4-3207) To: "tp750@CS.UTK.EDU"@tin.monsanto.com Subject: Re: internal sound board/modem for 360Cs - dx2/50? Hi Kevin! Its a 360, but IBM has upgraded the chip to a DX2-50. VESA local bus, 1Mb VRAM. You can buy the previous SX33 360, or the new DX250 360. My '360CSE' 340Meg,4M,DX2-50 dual scan cost $3049, and it sure is nice! About a week before the new 360 was announced, IBM dropped the prices om the SX33 model. I think the annoucement was the 17th, and mine came through on the 27th - not bad at all! The WWW server for IBM has more details, and around the 17th somebody (thanks!) sent a long technical document on the new models. >> just noticed this little bit of info. since my mailer was recently >>upgraded/modified/lost my mail, can anyone send me details of this "new >>machine". > I have the new 360Cs with dx2-50 (typing on it now, verrrrry nice) and > /// Simon Maufe ||| MAUFE@TWEETY.DIGSYS.COM // cheers, . kevin cheong nlp program institute of systems science . . kevin@iss.nus.sg national university of singapore . From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:47 1994 Received: from faroe.vp.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07539 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:35:49 -0600 Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by faroe.vp.uiuc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA16636; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:27:47 -0600 Received: from Virginia.EDU by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa22805; 31 Oct 94 13:05 EST Received: from bosserv.bos.locus.com by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa22787; 31 Oct 94 13:05 EST Received: from lccsd.sd.locus.com by bosserv.bos.locus.com id aa28043; 31 Oct 94 12:59 EST Received: by lccsd.sd.locus.com (5.61-AIX-1.2/ @(#)sendmail.cf 1.11 4/12/91 (lccsd)) id AA166086; Mon, 31 Oct 94 10:07:08 -0800 From: "Bruce M. Binder" Message-Id: <9410311807.AA166086@lccsd.sd.locus.com> Subject: Doublespace Problem, Minimum Windows To: tp500 Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 10:07:05 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1394 ThinkPadders: 1. I run Borland C++ under Windows, and also a bunch of DOS applications. They do not all fit on the 170 Mb hard drive of my TP500 with all the junk shipped with the machine. 2. I installed Doublespace that came with the machine, but when my machine crashed due to a programming error in a program I was working on, Doublespace reported errors on the compressed drive, took three hours to analyze, scan, and correct the error, and still lost my entire WordPerfect directory. 3. I wish to get rid of Doublespace, yet still fit everything, including Windows, on my hard drive. I'm willing to reinstall the whole thing from scratch, as I really want to get rid of the stuff that came preinstalled and did not come with an uninstall program. My questions: How do I install Windows in it's absolute minimum-disk-usage configuration? Does anyone have a pointer to a book, or magazine article? I've seen suggestions about removing extra screen drivers, etc.--is there a list somewhere of everything I can remove? Can I get rid of a lot of the Windows applications, such as Solitaire, Minesweeper, Write, Terminal, etc? Any advice appreciated. ___ __ __ ___ ( ,)( \/ )( ,) Bruce M. Binder ) ,\ ) ( ) ,\ Locus Computing Corporation (619) 546-9509 (___/(_/\/\_)(___/ San Diego, California From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 14:42:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02549 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:29:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23826; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:06:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:06:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mailgate.exnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA23794; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:06:15 -0500 Received: from exnet.com (assam.exnet.com) by mailgate.exnet.com with SMTP id AA07027 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 18:05:55 GMT Received: from fonix.UUCP by exnet.com with UUCP id AA19174 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 18:05:49 GMT To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: rss750a*.dsk files From: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) Message-Id: <2570.150.uupcb@fonix.org> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 15:58:00 -0100 Organization: FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, UK ~ +44 (344) 306986/7/8/9 Reply-To: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) Dear All, Can anyone shed some light on what the following two files do : rss750a1.dsk 1215529 28-07-94 ibm thinkpad 360/750/755 system program service diskette v1.07 rss750a2.dsk 1248193 19-10-94 ibm thinkpad 360/750/755 system program service diskette v1.11 I don't want to just run them on my 360, and then find that I didn't need to.... Regards --- . CMPQwk 1.42-13 9237 . Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser. ---- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, Berkshire UK ~ +44 (0)344 306986 12 lines! | | 9 Gig - RsaNET - ILink - RIME (->FONIX) - FidoNET (2:252/171) | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 17:16:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24134 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 14:16:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26635; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:48:01 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:47:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26620; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:47:56 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA11902; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 12:47:45 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Mon, 31 Oct 1994 13:48:20 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <49701.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Connector In message Mon, 31 Oct 1994 08:52:36 -0600 (CST), strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) writes: >> George, The info I have is FOXCON pn qd61 33s1 26 pin Slim D connector. >> I don't know anything about sourcing or pricing. Hope this helps. > > I think that this is the floppy connector (option bay). The connector on > the disk appears to be the same style. Someone needs to count the number > of pins (i.e. ~34). The hard drive's D connector has 30 pins on each side for a total of 60. I don't recall how many pins were on the IDE connector on the physical hard drive. Perhaps someone is willing to pop their drive box open again? The floppy drive has more pins than the hard drive is wide. The same style, but definitely not the same size. I've found a list of companies that make this kind of stuff and I'm trying to find their individual catalogs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "Mike Espy simply forgot he was no longer a Congressman." jokim@mit.edu | -anonymous, on the Secretary of Agriculture's resignation jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | due to conflict of interest charges for accepting gifts. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Mon Oct 31 17:16:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06438 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 31 Oct 1994 15:48:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01556; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 14:46:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 14:46:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01546; Mon, 31 Oct 1994 14:46:21 -0500 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA00555; Mon, 31 Oct 94 12:45:37 MST Date: Mon, 31 Oct 94 12:45:37 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9410311945.AA00555@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: rss750a*.dsk files > Can anyone shed some light on what the following two files do : > rss750a1.dsk 1215529 28-07-94 ibm thinkpad 360/750/755 system program > service diskette v1.07 > rss750a2.dsk 1248193 19-10-94 ibm thinkpad 360/750/755 system program > service diskette v1.11 These are two intermediate BIOS upgrades, of which there are many. (The most current version for the 360/750/755 family is V1.13). IBM has always amazed me with the frequency with which they make these upgrades available. It seems I had just installed V1.11 when V1.13 was released. (Actually, the time frame was about three weeks, but three weeks isn't much of a lifespan!) > I don't want to just run them on my 360, and then find that I didn't > need to.... Well, you don't really need to, but it's not a bad idea to keep current with these upgrades, as they include bug fixes as well as occasional new functionality. I don't see any reason to upgrade incrementally, however; just skip over versions 1.07 - 1.11 and go directly to V1.13. Good luck, _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | "True perfection can be Denver, CO. 80201 | found in the details" From ???@??? Tue Nov 01 15:21:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20576 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:57:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12064; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:47:13 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:47:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12046; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 08:47:05 -0500 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA15289 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 23:46:53 +1000 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 23:46:47 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson Subject: Re: rss750a*.dsk files Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9410311945.AA00555@amazon.den.mmc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 31 Oct 1994, Karl Yeanoplos wrote: [...stuff deleted...] > Well, you don't really need to, but it's not a bad idea to keep current > with these upgrades, as they include bug fixes as well as occasional > new functionality. I don't see any reason to upgrade incrementally, > however; just skip over versions 1.07 - 1.11 and go directly to V1.13. > I'm just about to do the upgrade myself. Has anyone had any difficulties with 1.13 (ie. should I wait for the next release)? > Good luck, *gulp* From ???@??? Tue Nov 01 15:21:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27910 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 13:53:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24189; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:19:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:19:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24172; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:19:38 -0500 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxodt06969; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 11:18:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 1 Nov 94 11:23:17 PST From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: FW: RE: Connector To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII >The hard drive's D connector has 30 pins on each side for a total of 60. >I don't recall how many pins were on the IDE connector on the physical hard >drive. Perhaps someone is willing to pop their drive box open again? No need. You can download the Seagate Desk Reference from their BBS and the 9xxx series in the AT class are 2.5 drives. They have 44 pins instead of the 40 normal on an IDE. The other 4 are just (to the best of my knowledge) the 4 pins on an power connector. I've noticed that on my drive, in addition to the key pin which is removed, there are 2 or 3 (I forgot and didn't write them down) others that are cut on the drive. Curioser and curiouser..... ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Tue Nov 01 17:55:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11540 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 16:23:24 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17686; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:47:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:47:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA17653; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 15:47:10 -0500 Received: from kress_pc.ciw.edu by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA08862; Tue, 1 Nov 94 15:46:16 EST Message-Id: <9411012046.AA08862@gl.ciw.edu> X-Sender: kress@gl.ciw.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 01 Nov 1994 15:46:15 -0500 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: Connectors X-Mailer: Well, I just so happen to have my old 170Meg drive, which makes a fine paper weight. This is one of the early(?) drives which has the cable offset problem when updating to the newer high-capacity drives. The connector on the physical drive (without case) looks like this: ppopppppppppoppppppppppppo ppoppppppppppppppppppppppo p=pin o=open The connector has AMP markings, but nothing else. As I recall, the replacement drive had a different model connector, but they might have just shifted all the p's one right. Perhaps someone else who replaced their drive, but did not experience the pin offset problem could look at their old paperweig...er..harddrive and see how it differs. Has anyone located a kit to install these drives in a desktop system? ---------------------------------------------------------- Victor Kress Carnegie Institution of Washington, Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202)686-2410 x2489 ---------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 17:07:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18274 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 1 Nov 1994 20:48:43 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10814; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 20:45:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 20:45:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail.core.ntt.jp by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA10796; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 20:45:04 -0500 Received: by mail.core.ntt.jp (8.6.9/COREMAIL.4); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:44:57 +0900 Received: by gulag.ntt.jp (8.6.9/core*brl.mx14) with TCP; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:44:57 +0900 Received: by will.ntt.jp (4.1/core*brl.s7) with TCP; Wed, 2 Nov 94 10:45:09 JST Message-Id: <9411020145.AA02487@will.ntt.jp> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Volume control of TP750C + OS/2 Date: Wed, 02 Nov 94 10:45:08 +0900 From: IWASAKI Yuzuru I'm using TP750C and OS/2 J2.11 + MMPM/2. I can see three sound volume controls in the desktop. One is in the audio icon in the thinkpad ico. Other two are in the MMPM/2 folder, bell icon and volume control icon. How these controls affect the final output level? I want to reduce the beep sound level (the one same as DOS beep) while other *.wav file based sound level unchanged. ------------------------------------------------- Iwasaki Yuzuru iwasaki@will.NTT.jp ------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 17:07:20 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21391 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 00:48:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18703; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:35:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:35:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18685; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:35:36 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA08315; Tue, 1 Nov 1994 21:35:27 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 1 Nov 1994 22:36:06 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <81366.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: Volume control of TP750C + OS/2 In message Wed, 02 Nov 94 10:45:08 +0900, IWASAKI Yuzuru writes: > I'm using TP750C and OS/2 J2.11 + MMPM/2. > I can see three sound volume controls in the desktop. One is in the > audio icon in the thinkpad ico. Other two are in the MMPM/2 folder, > bell icon and volume control icon. How these controls affect the final > output level? I played with these a while back. The audio icon in the Thinkpad folder is the same as Fn-F5/F6. It changes the volume of every sound coming through the speaker. The volume control icon in the MMPM/2 folder controls the volume of all MMPM sounds - sound effects, WAV, but not DOS beeps. The bell icon controls the sound of just the MMPM sound effects (like opening folders, shredding stuff), and has the option of assigning a different volume to each sound. > I want to reduce the beep sound level (the one same as > DOS beep) while other *.wav file based sound level unchanged. I don't see a way to do this. The only way to control the volume of a DOS beep is with the Fn-F5/F6 or the Thinkpad audio icon. Be glad you have at least this much control over the volume, you don't even get this much on a desktop PC. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." jokim@mit.edu | - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 17:07:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10026 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 03:28:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08519; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 03:44:20 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 03:44:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA08484; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 03:44:05 -0500 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Wed, 2 Nov 94 09:43 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0r2bIK-0003fDC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 09:43 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 09:42:22 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: Re: Hard drive cases/connectors X-Mailer: >>> How about the Thinkpad User's Group Company (THUGCO). > >Interesting idea. Change the name. THUGCO sounds like a pack of hoodlums, >cutthroats, and muggers. It was meant in jest, perhaps some smiley detectors need tuning :-)))) >Actually, all I'd envisoned was putting together a deal to get a bunch of >these cables made, signing up enough people from this group to finance the >order, and disbanding after it was all over. But I suppose most of the >organizational work would coincide with setting up a more permanent >business arrangement. Especially when you consider that on the technical side the accessory game ALL follows the pattern of trivial or off-the-shelf electronics + custom housing + one or more obscure connectors. Witness: hard drive ass'y = small IDE drive + injection-moulded case + some obscure connectors memory card = surface-mounted DRAM + alu (?) sheet case + an obscure connector expansion dock = ISA bus and slots + power supply + inj-mould case + an obscure connector The point is that if someone's gone to the trouble of establishing relations with a connector supplier and a plastics/sheet-metal facility, it's not that much incrementally to extend the product line. Note also that since small-job plastics/sheet fabricators are dime-a-dozen, and the electronic stuff is all grade-school level reverse engineering, sourcing the connectors is really the key to a venture like this. I wonder whether IBM and Toshiba haven't built a shark-filled moat around their connector suppliers to forestall just such an attack ?!? Best, Tim Vetter uwe@odb.rhein-main.de vetter@hookup.net From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 17:07:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27020 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 04:44:22 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04589; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 03:01:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 03:01:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mail02.prod.aol.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA04566; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 03:01:15 -0500 From: Received: by mail02.prod.aol.net (1.38.193.5/16.2) id AA09771; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 03:00:18 -0500 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 03:00:18 -0500 Sender: JGrabow@aol.com Message-Id: <9411020023417353774@aol.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: TP 750, OS/2 video, hard drives Hello. My name is Wesley Dunaway. I'm a student at Furman University and a new subscriber to the ThinkPad 750 mailing list. I have a TP 750 monochrome with a 170 MB hard drive, a 16MB RAM expansion card, and an Intel 14.4/14.4 Faxmodem. I also have a Port Replicator I. I use OS/2 2.11 and will soon be upgrading to Warp. I have a few questions that I would appreciate input on. I understand that these matters probably have been covered before, but again, I am new. Question 1: There seems to be much discussion regarding replacing the ThinkPad's internal hard drive with other, non-IBM models by opening the exterior case and installing the new drive. Has anyone done this successfully? I would appreciate knowing the manufacturer and model of the replacement drive you used. Has anyone had any bad experiences with IBM support after this seemingly warranty-voiding operation? Question 2: Has anyone found OS/2 video drivers that are faster than the ones shipped by IBM? Maybe someone out there has written drivers. :) The list seems to encompass some technically minded people. I'm using version 1.32 of the IBM drivers with an external monitor at 800x600x256 resolution, and they seem rather slow. Question 3: Has anyone figured out a way to use the ThinkPad's internal audio subsystem with Win-OS/2? Question 4: Has anyone installed Warp on a TP 750 yet? Are there any installation pitfalls I should know about? Again, I would greatly appreciate answers to these questions, and I'm sorry if they have been answered before. Wesley T. Dunaway dunaway_wesley/furman@furman.edu From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 17:07:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01220 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 06:24:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24152; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 06:36:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 06:36:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from merlion.singnet.com.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA24142; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 06:36:41 -0500 Received: (from wilsony@localhost) by merlion.singnet.com.sg (8.6.9/8.6.9) id TAA27635; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:36:04 +0800 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:36:03 +0800 (SST) From: Wilson Yip Subject: Re: Prices of New 755s To: Robert Dewar Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9410311225.AA13729@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >Wilson, you seem to be confused between price and cost. Sure the >cost maybe influenced by the place of manufacture, but the price >is established by the market equilibrium combined with a judgment > I was going to say i would agree with you if there was perfect competition but theres not, theres only product differentiation, but after reading Sean Chou's post there his 750C is made in Mexico, I think you are probably right. .---------------- Wilson Yip ---------------------, | ____ ,__o | Internet: wilsony@singnet.com.sg | | ____ _-\_<, |----------------------------------| | (*)/'(*) | Singapore Fax: (65)225-0032 | `---------------------------------------------------' From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 17:07:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07670 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 07:39:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27380; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 07:30:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 07:30:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from kobra.efd.lth.se by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27359; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 07:30:27 -0500 Received: from [130.235.41.15] (saturnus-5.efd.lth.se) by kobra.efd.lth.se with smtp (perl jhmail 0.20) (rfc1413: f91el@saturnus-5.efd.lth.se) id 2eb78643_4ffd_1 ; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 13:29:56 MET Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Message-Id: Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 13:29:53 +0100 From: Erik Lindahl To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: PCMCIA under NT 3.5? Hi, I'm about to install Windows NT 3.5 on one of our thinkpads (750C). As far as I know, Win NT does not support PCMCIA cards. I remember though, that some months ago someone posted something about a thinkpad disk for WIN NT (3.1 then...) Even if it doesn't contain PCMCIA drivers, I'd be interested.... Anyone who knows where I can get it? (Althoug i prefer OS/2 myself... Warp 3 is NICE!!!) ----------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 17:07:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07470 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 11:49:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10530; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:28:01 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:28:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mailgate.exnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA10516; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 10:27:54 -0500 Received: from exnet.com (assam.exnet.com) by mailgate.exnet.com with SMTP id AA05746 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 15:27:40 GMT Received: from fonix.UUCP by exnet.com with UUCP id AA15055 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 15:27:35 GMT To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: rss750a*.dsk files From: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) Message-Id: <2641.150.uupcb@fonix.org> Date: Wed, 2 Nov 94 09:26:00 -0100 Organization: FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, UK ~ +44 (344) 306986/7/8/9 Reply-To: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) RD>[...stuff deleted...] RD>> Well, you don't really need to, but it's not a bad idea to keep RD>> current with these upgrades, as they include bug fixes as well as RD>> occasional new functionality. I don't see any reason to upgrade RD>> incrementally, however; just skip over versions 1.07 - 1.11 and go RD>> directly to V1.13. RD>I'm just about to do the upgrade myself. Has anyone had any RD>difficulties with 1.13 (ie. should I wait for the next release)? This might appear to be a *really* stupid question, but how does one tell what version of the different utilities are on the machine ? Regards, | Internet: patrick.whittick@fonix.org _or_ | C'serve id: Patrick | PATRICK-WHITTICK-18/417+aIUP%Ford@mcimail.com | 100117.2667 --- . CMPQwk 1.42-13 9237 . So many pedestrians, so little time. ---- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, Berkshire UK ~ +44 (0)344 306986 12 lines! | | 9 Gig - RsaNET - ILink - RIME (->FONIX) - FidoNET (2:252/171) | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 17:07:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06411 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:57:03 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29010; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:26:33 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:26:32 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from charlie.ece.scarolina.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28985; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:26:25 -0500 Received: by charlie.ece.scarolina.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA08924; Wed, 2 Nov 94 14:26:07 -0500 Received: From ENGR_1/WORKQUEUE by mailgate.engr.scarolina.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.941102142503.480; 02 Nov 94 14:26:22 +500 Message-Id: To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: "David N. Rocheleau" Organization: College of Engineering Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:24:05 EST Subject: Setup for soundcard Reply-To: rochelea@engr.engr.scarolina.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: WinPMail v1.0 (R2) I have a few questions that I was hoping the group could help me with. How do I respond to the questions when loading applications that use the Soundblaster sound card (or other similar type sound card). Port Address (Port 0220h, 0240h, 0260h, or 0280h) Main IRQ (IRQ 2, 5, 7, or 10) DMA Channel Unit (0, 1, or 3) Thanks. ************************************ David N. Rocheleau Department of Mechanical Engineering 300 South Main Street University of South Carolina Columbia SC 29208 rocheleau-david@scarolina.edu 803|777-9395 (Office) 803|777-0106 (Fax) ************************************ From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 19:01:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12878 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 17:21:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13644; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:42:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:42:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13627; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 16:42:33 -0500 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Wed, 2 Nov 94 19:13 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0r2kBN-0003hOC; Wed, 2 Nov 94 19:13 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 19:11:51 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: NT3.5: Beware video compatibility! X-Mailer: Just looking over the October NT 3.5 Hardware Compatibility List (ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/winnt/winnt-docs/hcl/HCL35/*), and found to my dismay that the entire Thinkpad series, right up to the 755C, is only supported at the all-but-useless (to me) 640x480x16 resolution. And here I had been hoping that the new NT would finally get me out of DOS/Win3.1 hell. Team OS/2 appears to have another member on the way! Best, Tim Vetter Frankfurt uwe@odb.rhein-main.de vetter@hookup.net From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 18:28:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18754 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 2 Nov 1994 19:07:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24511; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:56:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:56:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA24501; Wed, 2 Nov 1994 18:55:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199411022355.SAA24501@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-43.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27823; Wed, 2 Nov 94 17:53:00 -0600 Date: Wed, 2 Nov 94 17:53:00 -0600 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: New format for FAQ? X-Mailer: I'm in the process of redesigning the FAQ, which I will also put online for Web browsing. But I need to recategorize it as the current one seems to chaotic. Anyone care to offer basic categorizations? I was thinking: 1. Hardware Machine specs Battery PCMCIA 2. Expansion Ports and docks Memory Hard drive 3. Operating Systems DOS & Windows OS/2 Linux Other 4. Known problems I also plan to cover all the Thinkpad models that include multimedia. That's sort of the minimum. If people would like TP700 or TP720 info included, then I invite you to write it and send it to me to be included. If you have any suggestions or pointers, I welcome them. And as usual, I'll post to the group as well as provide an FTP site. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 18:28:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05126 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 01:50:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21382; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 02:05:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 02:05:09 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA21338; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 02:04:58 -0500 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA22499 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:04:49 +1000 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:04:43 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson To: tp750 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just saw an ad for an external IBM drive. "IBM Spitfire. 1Gb Fast SCSI-II hard disk external" it's selling for $1450 here in Australia which isn't a bad price. Does anyone know what the throughput would be through a PCMCIA SCSI card. Is the performance drop substantial? From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 18:28:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14028 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 03:18:25 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27138; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 03:24:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 03:24:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27127; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 03:24:03 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA00830; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 02:24:00 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 03:24:40 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <12280.jokim@mit.edu> To: cs322612@mailbox.uq.oz.au, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: In message Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:04:43 +1000 (GMT+1000), Rohan Davidson writes: > it's selling for $1450 here in Australia which isn't a bad price. Does > anyone know what the throughput would be through a PCMCIA SCSI card. Is > the performance drop substantial? Ignoring all the stuff PCMCIA requires in memory, it operates as a 16-bit ISA slot. I don't remember the specs on that. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." jokim@mit.edu | - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 18:28:34 1994 Received: from merlion.singnet.com.sg by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27989 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 04:32:54 -0600 Received: (from wilsony@localhost) by merlion.singnet.com.sg (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA08491; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:33:06 +0800 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:33:06 +0800 (SST) From: Wilson Yip Subject: Re: Prices of New 755s To: Sean Chou In-Reply-To: <199411010731.PAA22628@merlion.singnet.com.sg> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >I don't know about the newer models, but my TP750C came from >Mexico. > Sean, thanks for telling me this, my 750C is from Japan so I had assumed incorrectly that all TPs are from Japan. BTW can you give me your advice on selling my 750C since you have sucessfully sold off yours? My problem is that I live in Singapore, there is no market here for second hand TPs, did you sell off yours in the CompuServe Thinkpad Forum? I subscribed to Compuserve last year but came off it this year. What sort of prices do you think it could fetch with 4 meg ram and a 340 hard disk? Does the buyer pay first? Would the buyer be able to obtain EasyServ by taking over? Does buyer pay freight? Sorry to load you with these questions, I hope you dont mind. If I can sell if off I can look forward to buying the 755CE. Do you have a vendor you can recommend for this because at the moment prices here are more than what obtains in the US. Regards Wilson .---------------- Wilson Yip ---------------------, | ____ ,__o | Internet: wilsony@singnet.com.sg | | ____ _-\_<, |----------------------------------| | (*)/'(*) | Singapore Fax: (65)225-0032 | `---------------------------------------------------' From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 18:28:36 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01820 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 04:42:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05726; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 04:58:17 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 04:58:16 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from mfmail.mfltd.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA05716; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 04:58:13 -0500 From: Received: from ibm3172e.mfltd.co.uk by mfmail.mfltd.co.uk with SMTP (5.65/25-eef) id AA20227; Thu, 3 Nov 94 09:57:02 GMT Message-Id: <9411030957.AA20227@mfmail.mfltd.co.uk> Received: from NWB.RSCS by NWB.MFLTD.CO.UK (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8655; Thu, 03 Nov 94 09:56:36 GMT Date: Thu, 03 Nov 94 09:56:35 GMT To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: NT3.5: Beware video compatibility! ======================================================================= From: D. Gwyn Jones Fileshare 2 development, Products Group. DGJ at NWB, GBHFFWHF at IBMMAIL, e-mail: dgj@mfltd.co.uk Subject: NT3.5: Beware video compatibility! I also hear on Microsoft's Compuserv NT forum, that they are supplying NO PCMCIA drivers with NT. They are relying on PCMCIA manufacturers to supply them. I assume this is true for Win95/Chicago too, although any that manufacturers provide which use the Win32 API should work with both Chicago and NT. Long live OS/2! Regards, Gwyn. Micro Focus Ltd Tel. (44) (0)1635 565294 26 West Street Fax. (44) (0)1635 565567 Extension 5294 Newbury RG13 1JT U.K. *** Forwarding note from IBMSMTP --NWB 11/02/94 22:11 *** Date: Wed, 02 Nov 1994 19:11:51 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: NT3.5: Beware video compatibility! Just looking over the October NT 3.5 Hardware Compatibility List (ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/winnt/winnt-docs/hcl/HCL35/*), and found to my dismay that the entire Thinkpad series, right up to the 755C, is only supported at the all-but-useless (to me) 640x480x16 resolution. And here I had been hoping that the new NT would finally get me out of DOS/Win3.1 hell. Team OS/2 appears to have another member on the way! Best, Tim Vetter Frankfurt uwe@odb.rhein-main.de vetter@hookup.net From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 18:28:49 1994 Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27885 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 15:44:23 -0600 Received: by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09595; Thu, 3 Nov 94 13:32:07 PST Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 13:32:07 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9411032132.AA09595@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: New format for FAQ In-Reply-To: Mail from 'kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos)' dated: Thu, 3 Nov 94 12:17:51 MST Cc: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Sean, You might want to mention that if you are running Windows for Workgroups 3.11 with the IBM Ethernet card, you _MUST_ get the most recent driver (v 2.03 ) off the IBM BBS. I spent an entire day trying to get this to work before I tried the BBS. Makes you feel really stupid for wasting your time! Also, do you have the 755 Technical Reference Manual (P/N 83G7843)? There is a lot of good stuff in this manual that should be included in the FAQ, especially the pinouts for the internal hard disk connector, the pinouts for the PCMCIA ports, and the pinouts for the external bus connector. Robert | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 18:28:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28560 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:56:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28563; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:02:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:02:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28546; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:02:34 -0500 Received: by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA08855; Thu, 3 Nov 94 13:04:38 PST Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 13:04:38 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9411032104.AA08855@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: NT3.5: Beware video compatibility! In-Reply-To: Mail from '' dated: Thu, 03 Nov 94 09:56:35 GMT > I also hear on Microsoft's Compuserv NT forum, that they are supplying NO > PCMCIA drivers with NT. They are relying on PCMCIA manufacturers to supply > them. I assume this is true for Win95/Chicago too, although any that > manufacturers provide which use the Win32 API should work with both Chicago > and NT. Actually, there is an article in last month's Computer Shopper about how Microsoft is agressively persuing native PCMCIA support as part of their Plug n' Play concept. I also saw a picture in (Byte?) of the PCMCIA support in Chicago -- it looked like a snazzy version of EZ-Play. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 18:28:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04138 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:11:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01301; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:36:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:36:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01291; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:36:26 -0500 Received: by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09787; Thu, 3 Nov 94 13:38:39 PST Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 13:38:39 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9411032138.AA09787@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: PCMCIA Bandwidth In-Reply-To: Mail from '"John H. Kim" ' dated: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 03:24:40 -0500 (EST) > Ignoring all the stuff PCMCIA requires in memory, it operates as a 16-bit > ISA slot. I don't remember the specs on that. The PCMCIA uses a 26-bit address, 16-bit data bus which operates at 25Mhz -- this is quite faster than ISA. At 25Mhz a 16-bit bus should be capable of 50MBytes/sec. Does anyone have any throughput specifications for bandwidth through all the socket services??? | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 18:28:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09265 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 17:24:35 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01960; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:43:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:43:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01949; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:43:16 -0500 Received: by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA09961; Thu, 3 Nov 94 13:45:16 PST Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 13:45:16 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9411032145.AA09961@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Setup for soundcard In-Reply-To: Mail from '"David N. Rocheleau" ' dated: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 14:24:05 EST Cc: ROCHELEA@engr.engr.scarolina.edu David, > I have a few questions that I was hoping the group could help me > with. > > How do I respond to the questions when loading applications that use > the Soundblaster sound card (or other similar type sound card). > Port Address (Port 0220h, 0240h, 0260h, or 0280h) > Main IRQ (IRQ 2, 5, 7, or 10) > DMA Channel Unit (0, 1, or 3) > The default settings for the ThinkPad 755 is I/O address 0030-003F, IRQ 10, with DMA channel 0 for playback and DMA 1 for capture. The I/O space is selectable to 4E30,8E30,CE30. The IRQ can be set to IRQ 5, IRQ11, and IRQ 15. Unfortunately, you'll find that the audio is incompatible with most DOS based games. Has anyone every gotten DOOM to work on a ThinkPad ??? :) | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Wed Nov 02 19:46:50 1994 Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02034 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:39:15 -0600 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA09220; Thu, 3 Nov 94 19:38:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 19:38:52 -0500 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9411040038.AA09220@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Setup for soundcard DOOM works more or less OK on my Thinkpad From ???@??? Fri Nov 04 02:31:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15073 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:22:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12240; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:05:44 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:05:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from paxman.arc.nasa.gov by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12224; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:05:39 -0500 From: Received: from localhost.arc.nasa.gov by paxman.arc.nasa.gov (8.6.8/1.5T) id QAA15003; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:05:30 -0800 Message-Id: <199411040005.QAA15003@paxman.arc.nasa.gov> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Setup for soundcard In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 03 Nov 94 16:01:12 PST." Date: Thu, 03 Nov 94 16:05:30 -0800 Status: U > This is setable (and checkable) under the: > > ThinkPad Features -> > System Info -> > More... -> > Advance > dialogs. Sorry... that's under OS/2... I keep forgetting that there are others that have to live with just DOS. Warren Van Camp. NASA Science Internet From ???@??? Fri Nov 04 02:31:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17380 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:30:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12316; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:08:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:08:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12304; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:08:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199411040008.TAA12304@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from ruger-34.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23622; Thu, 3 Nov 94 18:05:13 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 18:05:13 -0600 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: New format for FAQ X-Mailer: Status: U > You might want to mention that if you are running Windows for >Workgroups 3.11 with the IBM Ethernet card, you _MUST_ get the most recent >driver (v 2.03 ) off the IBM BBS. Okay, will do! > Also, do you have the 755 Technical Reference Manual (P/N 83G7843)? >There is a lot of good stuff in this manual that should be included in the >FAQ, especially the pinouts for the internal hard disk connector, the >pinouts for the PCMCIA ports, and the pinouts for the external bus >connector. Alas, no I do not. If you could provide the info or someone else, I will be glad to put it in. Anyone who does it should be aware that I will be formatting it at 70 characters (as I always have). --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Fri Nov 04 02:31:07 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19575 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:38:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12524; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:11:21 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:11:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12514; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:11:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199411040011.TAA12514@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from ruger-34.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23911; Thu, 3 Nov 94 18:08:21 -0600 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 18:08:21 -0600 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Setup for soundcard X-Mailer: Status: U >The default settings for the ThinkPad 755 is I/O address 0030-003F, IRQ 10, >with DMA channel 0 for playback and DMA 1 for capture. >Unfortunately, you'll find that the audio is incompatible with most DOS based >games. True enough. The ones that do generally work in my experience have been the ones that automatically find the right configuration (such as Wolfenstein). And of the ones that don't auto-config, most any setting will work (if it'll work at all). I'm curious as to what the new DSP card will be like. >Has anyone every gotten DOOM to work on a ThinkPad ??? :) Just have to wait for DOOM/2. That'll be reason alone for TP owners everywhere to switch over... :) --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Fri Nov 04 02:31:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08331 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:48:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16815; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:21:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:21:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from iss.nus.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16805; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 20:21:25 -0500 Received: from grape.iss.nus.sg by iss.nus.sg (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA12778; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:24:33 +0800 From: kcheong@iss.nus.sg (Kevin Cheong) Message-Id: <9411040124.AA12778@iss.nus.sg> Subject: Re: New format for FAQ? (fwd) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:24:32 +0800 (SST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, Forwarded message: > > I'm in the process of redesigning the FAQ..... > > If you have any suggestions or pointers, I welcome them. ... ... ... > How about a category for Thinkpad-related > phone numbers and other miscellaneous info such as FTP sites, BBS no.'s, > Compu$erve forums, etc? > Useful phone numbers might include: > IBM - Technical Support, EasyServe, IBM Direct. > Third Party Vendors - Sigma Data, Kingston, Megahertz, THUGCO (!). > FTP Sites: CICA, Hobbes, ftp.pcco.ibm.com > BBS no.'s: IBM, Megahertz, etc. > Compuserve Forums: Thinkpad, OS2, etc. > Plus whatever else might be useful...you get the idea. I'll be happy > to supply the appropriate info if everyone thinks it's worth doing. > _________________________________________________________________ > Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) Related stuff.. yes, Info on where to get info about setting up or running say Linux on the TP's etc. That would be great! cheers, . kevin cheong nlp program iss nus singapore . From ???@??? Fri Nov 04 02:31:11 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12999 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 21:05:07 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11987; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:01:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:01:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from paxman.arc.nasa.gov by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11977; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:01:19 -0500 From: Received: from localhost.arc.nasa.gov by paxman.arc.nasa.gov (8.6.8/1.5T) id QAA14990; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 16:01:12 -0800 Message-Id: <199411040001.QAA14990@paxman.arc.nasa.gov> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Setup for soundcard In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 03 Nov 94 13:45:16 PST." <9411032145.AA09961@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 94 16:01:12 -0800 > > How do I respond to the questions when loading applications that use > > the Soundblaster sound card (or other similar type sound card). > > Port Address (Port 0220h, 0240h, 0260h, or 0280h) > > Main IRQ (IRQ 2, 5, 7, or 10) > > DMA Channel Unit (0, 1, or 3) > > The default settings for the ThinkPad 755 is I/O address 0030-003F, IRQ 10, > with DMA channel 0 for playback and DMA 1 for capture. > > The I/O space is selectable to 4E30,8E30,CE30. > > The IRQ can be set to IRQ 5, IRQ11, and IRQ 15. This is setable (and checkable) under the: ThinkPad Features -> System Info -> More... -> Advance dialogs. Warren Van Camp NASA Science Internet From ???@??? Fri Nov 04 02:31:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17305 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 21:17:24 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19580; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 21:05:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 21:05:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ZCIAS1.ZIFF.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19554; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 21:05:40 -0500 Received: from MAIL.ZD.ZIFF.COM by zcias1.ziff.com (PMDF V4.3-7 #6906) id <01HJ21QQWT28005LK6@zcias1.ziff.com>; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 21:05:17 EDT Date: Thu, 03 Nov 1994 20:41 -0500 (EST) From: AGross@MAIL.ZD.ziff.com (AGross) Subject: CD player / Dock I To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <01HJ21QQYY82005LK6@zcias1.ziff.com> X-Envelope-To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT The CD playing program that comes with the Dock I doesn't appear to have a volume control. Is it possible to control the volume? Is there another program that would do a better job? TIA. Andrew E. Gross From ???@??? Fri Nov 04 02:31:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17589 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 21:18:32 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12268; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:06:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:06:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12254; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:06:20 -0500 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0r3C9e-0004tsC; Thu, 3 Nov 94 18:05 CST Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0r3C9c-0009btC; Thu, 3 Nov 94 18:05 CST Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3C9c-0002wvC; Thu, 3 Nov 94 18:05 CST Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: Setup for soundcard To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:05:15 -0600 (CST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <9411032145.AA09961@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> from "Robert George" at Nov 3, 94 01:45:16 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Has anyone every gotten DOOM to work on a ThinkPad ??? :) Not possible as the audio driver takes a trap on writes to the locations normally associated with sound cards. Doom pushes aside the audio driver. -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Fri Nov 04 02:31:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18263 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 21:20:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12073; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:03:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:02:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12057; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 19:02:55 -0500 Received: from mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com by esdmaster.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #6) id m0r3C6L-0004tsC; Thu, 3 Nov 94 18:01 CST Received: from bart.dsd.northrop.com by mail-relay.dsd.northrop.com with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #4) id m0r3C6J-0009bsC; Thu, 3 Nov 94 18:01 CST Received: by bart.dsd.northrop.com (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r3C6I-0002wvC; Thu, 3 Nov 94 18:01 CST Message-Id: From: strat@dsd.northrop.com (Scott Stratmoen) Subject: Re: PCMCIA Bandwidth To: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 18:01:50 -0600 (CST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (ThinkPad 750 Mailing List) In-Reply-To: <9411032138.AA09787@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> from "Robert George" at Nov 3, 94 01:38:39 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > The PCMCIA uses a 26-bit address, 16-bit data bus which operates at 25Mhz -- > this is quite faster than ISA. At 25Mhz a 16-bit bus should be capable of > 50MBytes/sec. > > Does anyone have any throughput specifications for bandwidth through all > the socket services??? > > Remember what bus is behind the PCMCIA socket controller. That is currently the limiting factor for PCMCIA (i.e. ISA). -- Scott A. Stratmoen | strat@ast.dsd.northrop.com | (708) 259-9600 (ex 24762) From ???@??? Fri Nov 04 02:31:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28231 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23:39:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29294; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23:31:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23:31:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29282; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23:31:24 -0500 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxona26216; Thu, 3 Nov 1994 23:31:11 -0500 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 94 23:34:13 PST From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: Bus connector plug To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Also, do you have the 755 Technical Reference Manual (P/N 83G7843)? >There is a lot of good stuff in this manual that should be included in the >FAQ, especially the pinouts for the internal hard disk connector, the >pinouts for the PCMCIA ports, and the pinouts for the external bus >connector. Speaking of which - I'd like to buy the manual if I can get a plug for the bus connector and make my own port replacator. (I know it won't end up being much cheaper, but what the hell...) Has anyone found a source for these things? Or can I buy it straight from IBM? ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Fri Nov 04 03:33:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00436 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 02:21:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11195; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 02:29:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 02:29:34 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11175; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 02:29:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199411040729.CAA11175@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from ruger-38.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25639; Fri, 4 Nov 94 01:26:35 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 01:26:35 -0600 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Setup for soundcard X-Mailer: Robert Dewar said: >DOOM works more or less OK on my Thinkpad I'm almost positive he means with sounds. Unless, of course, you managed to get sounds under the TP755C. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Fri Nov 04 03:33:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00828 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 02:24:24 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11361; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 02:33:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 02:33:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11351; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 02:33:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199411040733.CAA11351@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from ruger-38.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25839; Fri, 4 Nov 94 01:30:19 -0600 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 01:30:19 -0600 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: New format for FAQ? (fwd) X-Mailer: >Related stuff.. yes, Info on where to get info about setting up or running >say Linux on the TP's etc. That would be great! Yup, I will also be including a section on where to get support -- phone numbers, ftp sites, bbs's, etc. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Sun Nov 06 13:49:52 1994 Received: from GNAT.CS.NYU.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28187 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 06:24:15 -0600 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA02157; Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:23:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:23:52 -0500 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9411041223.AA02157@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Setup for soundcard "I'm almost positive he means with sounds. UNless, of course, you managed to get sounds under the TP755C" I am having trouble parsing this comment. Is there perhaps a missing "not" in the first sentence? Anyway, to clarify, on a 755C, I run DOOM in a DOS window under OS/2 with sounds and music, I use the Adlib setting for the Music card, and the PC SPeaker for Sounds FX, the latter is of course not great, but the overall effect is quite reasonable. From ???@??? Sun Nov 06 13:49:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28479 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:32:27 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12841; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:03:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:03:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from pobox.ucs.umass.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12829; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:03:53 -0500 Received: from twain.ucs.umass.edu by pobox.ucs.umass.edu (PMDF V4.3-8 #6523) id <01HJ2QUMEG9S00DRCY@pobox.ucs.umass.edu>; Fri, 04 Nov 1994 09:03:50 -0500 Received: from localhost (harmatz@localhost) by twain.ucs.umass.edu (8.6.4/8.6.4) id JAA14032 for tp750@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 09:03:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 1994 09:03:49 -0500 (EST) From: MORTON G HARMATZ Subject: For Sale IBM TP 750C To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: <199411041403.JAA14032@twain.ucs.umass.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL22] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a new 755C so I'm selling my almost new 750C (active matrix screen - 10.4"). This computer is under IBM warranty until 4/97! The standard configuration is 4meg ram and 170 meg hard drive but I have a 4meg Kingston parity memory DRAM card and IBM 340 meg drive. Depending on the configuration you want - $3900 to $4600 or BO. You can email me at Harmatz@psych.umass.edu or if you need more info call me at 413 256 6028. From ???@??? Sun Nov 06 13:49:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17322 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:32:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26895; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:36:54 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:36:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26876; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:36:48 -0500 Received: by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00531; Fri, 4 Nov 94 08:38:50 PST Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 08:38:50 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9411041638.AA00531@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Setup for soundcard In-Reply-To: Mail from 'ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou)' dated: Thu, 3 Nov 94 18:08:21 -0600 > >The default settings for the ThinkPad 755 is I/O address 0030-003F, IRQ 10, > >with DMA channel 0 for playback and DMA 1 for capture. > > >Unfortunately, you'll find that the audio is incompatible with most DOS based > >games. > > True enough. The ones that do generally work in my experience > have been the ones that automatically find the right configuration > (such as Wolfenstein). And of the ones that don't auto-config, > most any setting will work (if it'll work at all). > > I'm curious as to what the new DSP card will be like. > > >Has anyone every gotten DOOM to work on a ThinkPad ??? :) > > Just have to wait for DOOM/2. That'll be reason alone for TP > owners everywhere to switch over... :) I've been playing DOOM2 on my 755C for a month now! The sound _still_ won't work! :( BTW, its more entertaining to see the expressions on the faces of the people next to you on the plane when they see DOOM running on a 10" active matrix color display... | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Sun Nov 06 13:49:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20960 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:41:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29952; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:06:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:06:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from booz.bah.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29939; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:06:17 -0500 Received: from smtpjii.bah.com (smtpjii.bah.com [156.80.9.162]) by booz.bah.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA01298 for ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:59:29 -0500 Received: by smtpjii.bah.com with Microsoft Mail id <2EBA934F@smtpjii.bah.com>; Fri, 04 Nov 94 12:02:23 PST From: Phillips Ted To: tp750 Subject: SYSTPS.EXE Version 1.15 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 94 12:00:00 PST Message-Id: <2EBA934F@smtpjii.bah.com> Encoding: 9 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 I just found the Thinkpad System Program Service update version 1.15. The last one I heard about was 1.13. Two questions: First, what happened to 1.14? And second, are there any problems installing this update? I passed on the 1.13 upgrade because of problems voiced here. Has anyone tried the 1.15 update yet? Cheerio! P:\Ted From ???@??? Sun Nov 06 13:50:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24108 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:49:25 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27825; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:46:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:46:39 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27815; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 11:46:36 -0500 Received: by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00794; Fri, 4 Nov 94 08:48:45 PST Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 08:48:45 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9411041648.AA00794@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Setup for soundcard In-Reply-To: Mail from 'dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar)' dated: Fri, 4 Nov 94 07:23:52 -0500 > "I'm almost positive he means with sounds. UNless, of course, you > managed to get sounds under the TP755C" > > I am having trouble parsing this comment. Is there perhaps a missing "not" > in the first sentence? > > Anyway, to clarify, on a 755C, I run DOOM in a DOS window under OS/2 with > sounds and music, I use the Adlib setting for the Music card, and the > PC SPeaker for Sounds FX, the latter is of course not great, but the > overall effect is quite reasonable. I'm amazed that you got even the music to work, especially under DOS emulation with OS/2. I guess I'll take another shot at this tonight! Robert | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Sun Nov 06 13:50:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09763 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:39:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10109; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 14:31:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 14:31:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10078; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 14:31:03 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxooz20752; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 12:15:06 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03939; Fri, 4 Nov 94 09:09:59 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA29357; Fri, 4 Nov 94 09:16:02 PST Received: from localhost by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24541; Fri, 4 Nov 94 09:12:52 PST Message-Id: <9411041712.AA24541@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Setup for soundcard X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4 6/24/94 Date: Fri, 04 Nov 94 09:12:51 -0800 From: Bruce Reed > > >Has anyone every gotten DOOM to work on a ThinkPad ??? :) > > > > Just have to wait for DOOM/2. That'll be reason alone for TP > > owners everywhere to switch over... :) > > I've been playing DOOM2 on my 755C for a month now! The sound _still_ > won't work! :( I think you're confusing DOOM 2.0 for DOS with DOOM for OS/2, or DOOM/2. Supposedly a native OS/2 version is in the works. --Bruce From ???@??? Sun Nov 06 13:50:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00874 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:33:53 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13560; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:32:15 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:32:10 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from banner.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13547; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:32:07 -0500 Received: by banner.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA08894; Fri, 4 Nov 94 15:31:41 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 15:31:41 -0500 From: dewar@banner.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9411042031.AA08894@banner.cs.nyu.edu> To: bruce@objy.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Setup for soundcard sorry, of course I meant DOOM when I said DOOM2, my finger picked up the 2 from the "just have to wait message". Sorry for the confusion, yes indeed, I am playing the original doom with music and sound as I described on a 755C (which is what the original question was about) From ???@??? Sun Nov 06 13:50:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13570 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 20:41:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19869; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:55:44 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:55:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19846; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:55:38 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA03471; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:55:33 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:56:13 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <60973.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Setup for soundcard In message Fri, 04 Nov 94 09:12:51 -0800, Bruce Reed writes: > I think you're confusing DOOM 2.0 for DOS with DOOM for OS/2, or > DOOM/2. Supposedly a native OS/2 version is in the works. Oh, it exists all right. The guy whose company is doing the port spoke at the last OS/2 user's group meeting here at MIT. It's not as fast as under DOS, but it looked impressive with decent speed. It's supposed to be out by the end of the year. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." jokim@mit.edu | - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Sun Nov 06 13:50:16 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13585 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 20:41:24 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19003; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:44:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:43:59 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA18988; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:43:45 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA03007; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 15:43:27 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 16:44:07 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <60247.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Setup for soundcard In message Fri, 4 Nov 94 08:48:45 PST, george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) writes: >> Anyway, to clarify, on a 755C, I run DOOM in a DOS window under OS/2 >> with sounds and music, I use the Adlib setting for the Music card, and >> the PC SPeaker for Sounds FX, the latter is of course not great, but > I'm amazed that you got even the music to work, especially under DOS > emulation with OS/2. I've run across a handful of programs whose soundcard support works under an OS/2 DOS box, but not under DOS. I suspect OS/2 may be doing a better job of tricking the software into thinking there's a real sound card installed. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ John H. Kim | "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." jokim@mit.edu | - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' jokim@uni.uiuc.edu | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Sun Nov 06 13:50:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14445 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 20:45:36 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04339; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 20:50:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 20:50:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom10.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA04316; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 20:50:22 -0500 From: Received: by netcom10.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id RAA17723; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 17:51:03 -0800 Message-Id: <199411050151.RAA17723@netcom10.netcom.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Setup for soundcard Date: 4 Nov 1994 13:21:55 Organization: spine.com Reply-To: jesse@netcom.com On Thu, 3 Nov 94 18:08:21 -0600 ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) wrote: > Just have to wait for DOOM/2. That'll be reason alone for TP > owners everywhere to switch over... :) You mean doom2 will work with tp sound?!? -- ________________________________________________________________________ Jesse Montrose jesse@netcom.com jesse@xaostools.com cis:76646,3302 I don't recycle, I'm a consumer, damn it, I consume. From ???@??? Sun Nov 06 13:50:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15101 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 23:34:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14040; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 23:32:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 23:32:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA14030; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 23:32:45 -0500 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA14409 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 23:32:39 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 23:32:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs24.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 23:32:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs24.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 23:32:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.44.sun4c.411.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs24.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs24.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 23:32:23 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Fri, 4 Nov 1994 23:32:23 -0500 (EST) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: memory upgrade for tp 755Cs I'm looking for memory upgrade for my 755Cs 16meg IC-DRAM any suggestions and price? thanks in advance ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sang Kim I want the world to know that I sk6k@andrew.cmu.edu LOVE Alexis Hayes, the babe from University of Denver. (wow, what a knockout!) ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Sun Nov 06 13:50:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23039 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 00:27:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17475; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 00:21:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 00:21:08 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from MIT.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA17465; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 00:21:06 -0500 From: Received: from MARINARA.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA13125; Sat, 5 Nov 94 00:20:51 EST Received: by marinara.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA03844; Sat, 5 Nov 94 00:20:51 -0500 Message-Id: <9411050520.AA03844@marinara.MIT.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: PCMCIA and Linux (Again...) Date: Sat, 05 Nov 1994 00:20:50 EST Well, it's me again... I have a megahertz XJ2144 and when i first got the modem, I installed the pcmcia drivers for linux and things were great. I upgraded to v1.1.55 and then 1.159 (the floppy drivers work great) but then found that cardmgr would not recognize the Modem and instead would load the pcmem modules instead... The modem works under DOS. I have tried everything i can think of. I rebuilt the 1.1.45 kernel, no luck, upgraded to 1.1.49 and lo luck (this is what i was running before) recompiled the modules, the pcmcia drivers (both versions 2.2.2 and 2.2.3) I've also tried kernels 1.1.52, 55 and 59 to no avail... It seems as if it can't get the correct info from the modem. If i try to force the load up of serial_cs as the module, it get's loaded but the modem is not recognized... Please Help :( I'm really going nuts in here... Hot swapping and others... BTW if i remove the card, cardmgr recognizes this and removes the pcmem module, but as i reinsert, it loads the pcmem driver again! Thanks in advance... Art (ajm1@mit.edu) From ???@??? Sun Nov 06 13:50:29 1994 Received: from merlion.singnet.com.sg by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01679 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 5 Nov 1994 06:45:16 -0600 Received: (from wilsony@localhost) by merlion.singnet.com.sg (8.6.9/8.6.9) id UAA28104; Sat, 5 Nov 1994 20:45:29 +0800 Date: Sat, 5 Nov 1994 20:45:28 +0800 (SST) From: Wilson Yip Subject: Re: Prices of New 755s To: Sean Chou In-Reply-To: <199411040001.IAA05340@merlion.singnet.com.sg> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi Sean, Thanks for your very informative reply. I have decided to bypass the upgrade this time, maybe next time round when the thinkpads have the pentium chip. You have been very kind in responding. Thanks also for your work in preparing the FAQ here. Its great. Regards Wilson .---------------- Wilson Yip ---------------------, | ____ ,__o | Internet: wilsony@singnet.com.sg | | ____ _-\_<, |----------------------------------| | (*)/'(*) | Singapore Fax: (65)225-0032 | `---------------------------------------------------' From ???@??? Sun Nov 06 22:03:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15766 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 14:10:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04241; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 13:55:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 13:55:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04221; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 13:55:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199411061855.NAA04221@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-57.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25926; Sun, 6 Nov 94 12:52:20 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 94 12:52:20 -0600 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Setup for soundcard X-Mailer: >I've run across a handful of programs whose soundcard support works under >an OS/2 DOS box, but not under DOS. I suspect OS/2 may be doing a better >job of tricking the software into thinking there's a real sound card >installed. If nothing else, the memory management is infinately better and it's easier to get out of situations if (when) it crashes... --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Sun Nov 06 22:03:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18109 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 14:20:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04321; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 13:56:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 13:56:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04311; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 13:56:25 -0500 Message-Id: <199411061856.NAA04311@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-57.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25970; Sun, 6 Nov 94 12:53:25 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 94 12:53:25 -0600 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Setup for soundcard X-Mailer: >You mean doom2 will work with tp sound?!? DOOM/2 and DOOM/Win will use the sound drivers of their respective operating systems (let's not argue whether or not Windows is an authentic OS). So yes, they should work with the TP's. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Sun Nov 06 22:03:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18185 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 6 Nov 1994 14:20:54 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04164; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 13:52:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 13:52:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04154; Sun, 6 Nov 1994 13:52:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199411061852.NAA04154@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-57.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25686; Sun, 6 Nov 94 12:49:23 -0600 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 94 12:49:23 -0600 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: DOOM on TP X-Mailer: >BTW, its more entertaining to see the expressions on the faces of the people >next to you on the plane when they see DOOM running on a 10" active matrix >color display... Just wait for DOOM/2 or DOOM/Win and you get great sounds! --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Sun Nov 06 13:50:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13558 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 4 Nov 1994 20:41:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29244; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 19:30:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 19:30:12 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from expert.cc.purdue.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA29230; Fri, 4 Nov 1994 19:30:09 -0500 Received: by expert.cc.purdue.edu (5.61/Purdue_CC) id AA26192; Fri, 4 Nov 94 19:30:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 4 Nov 94 19:30:06 -0500 From: jollymon@expert.cc.purdue.edu (Jason) Message-Id: <9411050030.AA26192@expert.cc.purdue.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU I was wondering if someone could either post or send me the name and phone number of the company that is selling hard drives for the TP755. I know that IBM does not have any hard drives in stock, but I am in need of a new drive as my 170Mb disk is almost full. If you happen to know the prices of said hard drives please include those also. Thank You Jason Sethi jollymon@expert.cc.purdue.edu sethi@en.ecn.purdue.edu From ???@??? Mon Nov 07 11:30:18 1994 Received: from faroe.vp.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07856 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:42:37 -0600 Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by faroe.vp.uiuc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18486; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 09:41:54 -0600 Received: from Virginia.EDU by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa17583; 7 Nov 94 10:31 EST Received: from scunix5.harvard.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa17575; 7 Nov 94 10:30 EST Received: from fas by husc.harvard.edu with SMTP; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 10:30:36 -0500 Received: by fas (5.0/16.2) id AA20647; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 10:28:57 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 10:28:55 -0500 (EST) From: James Goodman Subject: miscellaneous To: ibm-tp500@virginia.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Length: 357 Is the Thinkpad supposed to come with extra Trackpoint tips? Is it possible to replace the tip when it wears out. Is it possible to back up a new Thinkpad's entire hard disk, all those bundled programs, to a tape drive, instead of scores of floppy disks? Sorry for this nit-picking questions. I am new to this machine, and IBM portables in general. From ???@??? Mon Nov 07 13:35:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17048 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 13:18:49 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03745; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:37:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:37:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03734; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 12:37:18 -0500 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA02778; Mon, 7 Nov 94 10:36:40 MST Date: Mon, 7 Nov 94 10:36:40 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9411071736.AA02778@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Warp/APM woes I got the Warp GA up and running on my 360 this weekend, and I'm generally pretty happy with the exception of some power management problems. First the good stuff - Warp installed with no problems and correctly sensed all installed hardware. APM was automatically installed, the PCMCIA drivers were all installed and configured correctly, and SVGA video drivers were even installed without having to endure the selective install routine. Warp is MUCH faster than the 2.1 release, and seems quite responsive even on my underpowered TP360 (486/SX33). Overall, I'd say it's a winner, and definitely a great value thanks to the included software bundle (bonus pack). Now the not-so-good stuff - Power management problems abound, all related to running on AC power. The machine enters suspend mode OK but will not recover without pushing the reset button (restart). This is really a pain due to the fact that I'm in the habit of putting my machine in suspend so that I can install the battery prior to entering hibernation. (This is a work-around for the AC power related bug which causes system hang when attempting to access a PCMCIA device following hibernation.) Since suspend now also locks the machine, the only way to safely hibernate is to turn the machine off, install the battery, restart the computer, and then enter hibernation. With OS/2 boot times being what they are, this just takes WAY too long. Can anyone else verify these problems? I want to make sure that it isn't just me before I call IBM to demand a fix. It seems like we've been living with these problems long enough, and let's face it - the power management schemes are useless if they force a machine restart every time you use them. Thanks, _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | "True perfection can be Denver, CO. 80201 | found in the details" From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:31:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25506 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:00:30 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29136; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:22:35 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:22:34 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA29126; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 17:22:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199411072222.RAA29126@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by martigny.ai.mit.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15442; Mon, 7 Nov 94 17:21:55 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 94 17:21:55 -0500 From: Chris Hanson To: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9411071736.AA02778@amazon.den.mmc.com> (kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com) Subject: Re: Warp/APM woes Date: Mon, 7 Nov 94 10:36:40 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Warp installed with no problems and correctly sensed all installed hardware. APM was automatically installed, the PCMCIA drivers were all installed and configured correctly, and SVGA video drivers were even installed without having to endure the selective install routine. This is completely correct. However, I'd like to point out that it's important to ignore all of the instructions for Installing OS/2 that come in the ThinkPad users's booklet. Obviously you did this and had a clean install -- I had to do the installation twice because I followed those instructions the first time. However, I did do two things differently: I installed the ThinkPad features programs from the utility disk, and I upgraded the PCMCIA drivers because the ones included with Warp did not correctly configure my Ethernet card. I used the "os2pcm" beta drivers, installing the two relevant files by hand. For some reason, Warp doesn't include a Resource Map Utility for PCMCIA -- and my Ethernet card seems to require it (although my modem worked fine with the original Warp PCMCIA support). Power management problems abound, all related to running on AC power. The machine enters suspend mode OK but will not recover without pushing the reset button (restart). Can anyone else verify these problems? I want to make sure that it isn't just me before I call IBM to demand a fix. It seems like we've been living with these problems long enough, and let's face it - the power management schemes are useless if they force a machine restart every time you use them. Thanks, I did not experience such problems. My ThinkPad 755C suspends and recovers properly. I don't think installing the ThinkPad features would affect suspending, but I could be wrong. For the record, I used version 2.00 of the utility diskette for the installation. From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:31:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28601 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:34:36 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06652; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:32:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:32:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ns9000.furman.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06642; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:32:56 -0500 From: Received: from by ns9000.furman.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.9/16.2) id AA1788551189; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 19:36:06 -0500 X-Openmail-Hops: 1 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 94 19:36:01 -0500 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Warp/APM woes To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Item Subject: Message text I can confirm Karl's problems with Warp's implementation of APM. I don't use hibernation, but I do use suspend (or at least try to) on my TP 750. Suspend completely locks up the system, necessitating the use of the reset button. I use a PCMCIA modem (Intel). I called IBM with a few other concerns today and the guy I talked to didn't know what I was talking about. He said that they were swamped with calls (understandable). In any event , I had the same problem after installing the ServicePak to bring OS/2 2.1 (full version) up to the 2.11 level. The FAQ said the solution was to reinstall APM off of the original OS/2 diskettes. I don't think that can happen with Warp. However, if someone is willing to send me their OS/2 2.1 APM drivers via e-mail (using uuencode), I will try to install them to see what happens. They should be sent to dunaway@s9000.furman.edu. I also am having a few other problems with Warp. As the README indicates, there is Win-OS/2 (seamless) corruption when using the LCD (black and white). I don't want to use the VGA driver because I use the TP with an external monitor most of the time. Also, I don't want to install the video drivers I used with OS/2 2.1 because they are slow as Christmas. I guess this is one I'll just have to live with until the ServicePak comes out. Also, full-screen Win-OS/2 works alright, but it comes up only in 640x480 on the external monitor, when Workplace Shell is set up for 800x600. I tried editing SYSTEM.INI and referencing fdisplay= to every display driver in the \windows\system directory that started with wd. One of them got Win-OS/2 up in 800x600, but there was serious corruption when using anything other than the Program Manager. I may try using the driver I used with OS/2 2.1 in this case. One final concern: the driver for ThinkPad audio doesn't seem to support MIDI. The new Win-OS/2 audio drivers don't either. If there are any hackers out there with solutions to these problems, I will love you forever if you'll relay them to me. Wesley Dunaway dunaway@s9000.furman.edu From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:31:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07444 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:32:20 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13388; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:15:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:15:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA13322; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 21:15:25 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id SAA29828 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:15:18 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id SAA24561 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:15:16 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199411080215.SAA24561@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: OS/2 3.0/Warp upgrade price? To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:15:15 -0800 (PST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there an upgrade price to Warp for a licensed owner of both version 2.0 and version 2.1 OS/2 for Windows? I am more or less an avowed Windows user, but I have always tried to use OS/2 whenever a new version has come out in hopes it was actually ready for prime time (IMO, Windows just always did the job better for me-- that is until all my software became OS/2-based--which very little of it is). So I've been through versions 1.3, 2.0, and 2.1 and have always ended up back with windows and a little disappointed. Will Warp finally convert me? Good question. That's why I'm asking if I can buy it a bit cheaper as an upgrade (and does anyone want to buy a OS/2 2.1 for Windows? I have a 2nd license...). And is Warp cheaper if you get the CD-ROM version? Can you make install diskettes from the CD-ROM? ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:32:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23578 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:29:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17378; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:06:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:06:16 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA17367; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:06:14 -0500 Message-Id: <199411080306.WAA17367@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by martigny.ai.mit.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10549; Mon, 7 Nov 94 22:05:58 -0500 Date: Mon, 7 Nov 94 22:05:58 -0500 From: Chris Hanson To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <199411080215.SAA24561@aludra.usc.edu> (message from Randal Whittle on Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:15:15 -0800 (PST)) Subject: Re: OS/2 3.0/Warp upgrade price? From: Randal Whittle Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:15:15 -0800 (PST) Is there an upgrade price to Warp for a licensed owner of both version 2.0 and version 2.1 OS/2 for Windows? There's not a special upgrade price, but there is a coupon for people upgrading from OS/2 for Windows to OS/2 Warp v3. I believe there are still quite a few of these coupons available -- I saw boxes plastered with them at CompUSA last week. The coupon is for a $50 rebate, and is good until December 31. I can think of two ways to get a coupon: the salesperson at Indelible Blue told me that he could get some (I was ordering Warp at the time -- they're asking $79 which is not unreasonable), or you could go to a software store that still carries v2.1 and remove one from a box there (yikes! did I really suggest this?), which doesn't seem so unreasonable since you have already paid for OS/2 for Windows. Also, there's been a lot of discussion of this in the "comp.os.os2.misc" newsgroup lately, though I haven't followed it to see exactly what has been discussed. And is Warp cheaper if you get the CD-ROM version? Can you make install diskettes from the CD-ROM? As far as I know the price is the same for either ($75 at Egghead is the best price I've seen). After the rebate this is $25, which is pretty reasonable. Actually, it turns out to be cheaper to buy OS/2 for Windows just to get the coupon -- I've seen it selling for $25, which would mean that the total cost to get Warp is $50 -- and then throw away the old version. From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:32:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06613 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:10:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21382; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:04:01 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:03:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21362; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:03:55 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA19853; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:03:52 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:04:32 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <83072.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp/APM woes In message Mon, 7 Nov 94 19:36:01 -0500, writes: > I also am having a few other problems with Warp. As the > README indicates, there is Win-OS/2 (seamless) corruption > when using the LCD (black and white). I don't want to use I assume, since only Warp for Windows has been released (i.e. you have to use your own copy of Windows 3.1, Win-OS/2 is not included), that you mean Windows seamless doesn't work. Was this a problem with OS/2 2.1 for Windows? I know it wasn't in OS/2 2.1 with Win-OS/2. > One final concern: the driver for ThinkPad audio doesn't > seem to support MIDI. The new Win-OS/2 audio drivers > don't either. So the audio drivers now support sound in Windows under OS/2? They didn't before. Try reading through the MMPM/2 README. It had some important stuff buried in it in OS/2 2.1. Also, contrary to Sean's report on the Warp Beta, you seem to have Warp running SVGA on the TP750. Is that correct? - eagerly awaiting my copy of Warp... _______________________________________________________________________ |\_______________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | \|_______________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:32:05 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07771 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:14:05 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21383; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:04:01 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:03:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21358; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:03:52 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA19844; Mon, 7 Nov 1994 22:03:47 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Mon, 7 Nov 1994 23:04:26 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <83066.jokim@mit.edu> To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu, TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: OS/2 3.0/Warp upgrade price? In message Mon, 7 Nov 1994 18:15:15 -0800 (PST), Randal Whittle writes: > Is there an upgrade price to Warp for a licensed owner of both > version 2.0 and version 2.1 OS/2 for Windows? > > Will Warp finally convert me? Good question. That's why I'm > asking if I can buy it a bit cheaper as an upgrade (and does anyone > want to buy a OS/2 2.1 for Windows? I have a 2nd license...). > > And is Warp cheaper if you get the CD-ROM version? Can you make > install diskettes from the CD-ROM? Yes. Maybe. No. No. Yes. :-) IBM is really pushing sales via retail channels this time, the downside being the street price is much lower than the upgrade price. If you bought 2.1 for Windows recently, you can get a $50 rebate on Warp. I'd call IBM to check how recent is recent. If you didn't buy OS/2fWin recently, you might be able to - it's been seen for as little as $15, which after the $50 rebate works to a net rebate of $35. Otherwise, street price is $70-$85; upgrade price is $129; and full retail price is something like $189. There is no price difference between CD and floppy. With 600MB of space available on a CD, the CD version had BETTER have floppy images on it. Warp with Win-OS/2 is supposed to be out in a few months and should be $20 more. But each store is free to set their own prices so who knows. _______________________________________________________________________ |\_______________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | \|_______________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:32:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09229 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:17:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28612; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:06:44 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:06:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom14.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA28589; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 09:06:36 -0500 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id GAA15832; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 06:07:01 -0800 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 06:07:01 -0800 (PST) From: Roger Buffington Subject: Re: Warp/APM woes To: Dunaway_Wesley/furman@furman.edu Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I installed Warp 3.0 this weekend on my TP 755Cs (8MB Ram, 170 MB HDD :-) ) Couple of questions: 1) I can't get my windows apps to work seamlessly. They work fine from the Win-OS/2 desktop, but when I try to set up objects on the PM desktop (yes, they are configured as 3.1 enhanced, etc.) the applications bomb. I would particularly like to get Wordperfect running on the desktop so that I could simply quit using the Windows Progman desktop. 2) It's fairly fast. Quite an improvement over 2.11. 3) It takes a lot of hard disk space. Definitely advanced my need for a 340 or 540 MB HDD. Anyone know why I can't get my Windows apps to run seamlessly? rogjd@netcom.com Glendale, CA AB6WR From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:32:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20644 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:54:22 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05074; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:38:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:38:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05063; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:38:35 -0500 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA03249; Tue, 8 Nov 94 08:37:53 MST Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 08:37:53 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9411081537.AA03249@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Warp & sytps115 On top of the problems I reported yesterday regarding Warp's implementation of APM, an even uglier bug appeared last night as I upgraded to BIOS version 1.15: my 360 can no longer run at SVGA resolution. The actual BIOS upgrade went just fine, and the machine passed all the system tests (including video) which IBM requests that you run immediately after performing such an upgrade. Upon restarting Warp, however, the video was scrambled, corrupted, beavered-up. I recovered by pressing ALT-F1 at boot-up and proceeded to specify generic VGA video, which allowed the machine to work normally. I then reinstalled the SVGA drivers through selective install and experienced the same scrambled display upon system restart. So.... Looks like I'll be talking to my friends at IBM again today. In the meantime, my advice to those of you running Warp is to avoid sytps115. P.S. Regarding Warp and APM, Wesley Dunaway wrote: "Suspend completely locks up the system, necessitating the use of the reset button. I use a PCMCIA modem (Intel). I called IBM with a few other concerns today and the guy I talked to didn't know what I was talking about." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This was my experience as well, but I'm gonna try again today. If anyone gets some answers, please clue us in! - Karl Yeanoplos kyeanopl@den.mmc.com From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:32:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21169 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:55:35 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06139; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:54:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:54:17 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA06103; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:54:14 -0500 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxpdn16989; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:54:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 10:56:04 PST From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: RE: OS/2 3.0/Warp upgrade price? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >If you didn't buy OS/2fWin recently, you >might be able to - it's been seen for as little as $15, which after the $50 >rebate works to a net rebate of $35. Surplus Software, 1-800-753-7877, OS/2 2/1 for Windows CD ROM, $19.95. SKU-OS2W. This is a great place to order from if you don't suffer from upgrade fever - good older software at amazing prices. Any of you 300 series owners who want sound can order the Mediavision Audioport for $39.95 (SKU - APORT) which is an 8 bit record and playback device. It ain't glorious, but it is $40. Can't beat that with a stick.... ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:32:41 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22281 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:01:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10681; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:55:01 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:54:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10671; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:54:53 -0500 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA13244 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 02:54:36 +1000 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 02:54:30 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson Subject: HDD connector info please? To: tp750 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sorry to bring spirits of truamas past back, but if someone could post me details of that phantom connector needed for the TP drive series, I'd be most appreciative. I pulled my 360 170M drive out, and haven't opened it up yet, but did look at the connector external for the drive box (AMP D connector, 60 pins). I rang AMP and yes, it's theirs. Yes, the guy had all the tech sheets in front of him. Yes they were sourcable (but not in Australia. I could probably arrange sourcing in the states if this drive box project is still on). I do however have the feeling that this was too easy, and therefore the phantom part must be the connector *inside* the drive box. Am I right? If so, what were the instructions again for opening the drive box? From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:32:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10331 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:38:59 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14551; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:47:42 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:47:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from fire.ml.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14540; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:47:32 -0500 Received: from ml.com ([146.125.4.24]) by fire.ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with ESMTP id MAA11395 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:46:01 -0500 Received: from gedny07.gedny.ml.com (gedny07.gedny.ml.com [146.125.9.7]) by ml.com (8.6.3/8.6.3) with SMTP id MAA00816 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:45:31 -0500 Received: from gedny29.gedny by gedny07.gedny.ml.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA01764; Tue, 8 Nov 94 12:46:50 EST Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 12:46:50 EST From: chetal@gedny.ml.com (Pradeep Chetal) Message-Id: <9411081746.AA01764@gedny07.gedny.ml.com> Received: by gedny29.gedny (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00696; Tue, 8 Nov 94 12:46:48 EST To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: What is the left most 9 pin port on a TP750Ce (lost the manual) I am trying to connect the TP to a HP200LX via a 9-pin cable. What is the 9-pin port on the TP750? Thanks, /Pradeep From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:32:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11440 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:41:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14537; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:46:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:46:56 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14525; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:46:54 -0500 Received: by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA03984; Tue, 8 Nov 94 09:49:00 PST Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 09:49:00 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9411081749.AA03984@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Tech manual ordering In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Don Whiteside ' dated: Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:15:39 PST > I just called and ordered the 750 tech manual. FYI, the number to call is the > Boulder number 800-879-2755 and it was ~$35. Perhaps that should be added to > the FAQ. You _cannot_ get this manual from PC Direct. I just asked my techinical sales person nicely, and she sent me one for free. On the other hand, I've purched 40 ThinkPads from her in the last two years :) I hope you're not disappointed with the manual. Its actually a 70 page newsprint booklet, approximately 4"x7"! | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:32:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16302 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:51:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15039; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:58:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:57:59 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inetgate.prodigy.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15027; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:57:55 -0500 Received: from mail.prodigy.com by inetgate.prodigy.com with SMTP id AA22418 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 12:22:10 -0500 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 1994 12:21:44 EST From: VJFY58A@prodigy.com (MR WESLEY T DUNAWAY) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-308.52] Message-Id: <013.01717335.VJFY58A@prodigy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp/APM woes -- [ From: Wesley T. Dunaway * EMC.Ver #2.01P ] -- >In message Mon, 7 Nov 94 19:36:01 -0500, > writes: > >> I also am having a few other problems with Warp. As the >> README indicates, there is Win-OS/2 (seamless) corruption >> when using the LCD (black and white). > >I assume, since only Warp for Windows has been released (i.e. you >have to use your own copy of Windows 3.1, Win-OS/2 is not >included), that you mean Windows seamless doesn't work. Was this >a problem with OS/2 2.1 for Windows? I know it wasn't in OS/2 2.1 >with Win-OS/2. I don't believe this was a problem with any previous version of OS/2. Users of those operating systems used the video drivers produced by IBM specifically for use with the ThinkPad. Warp comes with its own drivers for the ThinkPad that are accelerated (unlike previous versions) but which cause the corruption on monochrome LCDs. >> One final concern: the driver for ThinkPad audio doesn't >> seem to support MIDI. The new Win-OS/2 audio drivers >> don't either. > >So the audio drivers now support sound in Windows under OS/2? >They didn't before. Try reading through the MMPM/2 README. It >had some important stuff buried in it in OS/2 2.1. Yes, Warp provides Win-OS/2 audio support, which we never had before. It works very nicely. The Multimedia book (online help) included with it gives installation instructions. The new Warp drivers, it seems, don't give us MIDI support, nor do they support SoundBlaster or AdLib sound in DOS boxes, which we did have with the ThinkPad drivers for OS/2. >Also, contrary to Sean's report on the Warp Beta, you seem to have >Warp running SVGA on the TP750. Is that correct? This is correct. The installation program automatically installs the correct video driver. Wesley Dunaway dunaway@s9000.furman.edu From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:32:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23927 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:04:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07603; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:14:54 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:14:52 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07589; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:14:50 -0500 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxpdo21202; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:14:43 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:15:39 PST From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: Tech manual ordering To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just called and ordered the 750 tech manual. FYI, the number to call is the Boulder number 800-879-2755 and it was ~$35. Perhaps that should be added to the FAQ. You _cannot_ get this manual from PC Direct. I'm going to look into making a port replicator. While after the $35 for the manual and whatever the connector is gonna cost me (anyone got a source for this?) I probably won't save any cash, I think it would be a fun project. [note to self: examine definition of FUN] Plus, it's a start to learning about what it would take to produce a dock or SCSI minidock. Anyone got a PCMCIA Port Replicator they'd like to look inside and describe? Or a Dock I? (I'm not up on the look/feel/ability of a Dock 2) I'm interested in what additional silicon is required for control on the docks.... ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:32:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA05736 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:24:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17313; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:36:50 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:36:48 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17303; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:36:46 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id KAA24294; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:36:43 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id KAA25617; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:36:41 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199411081836.KAA25617@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: OS/2 3.0/Warp upgrade price? To: dwhite@shadow.net (Don Whiteside) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 10:36:40 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Don Whiteside" at Nov 8, 94 10:56:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >If you didn't buy OS/2fWin recently, you > >might be able to - it's been seen for as little as $15, which after the $50 > >rebate works to a net rebate of $35. > > Surplus Software, 1-800-753-7877, OS/2 2/1 for Windows CD ROM, > $19.95. SKU-OS2W. This is fine and dandy, all--but I have and OS/2 for Windows 2.1 on CD-ROM that was obtained nearly a full year ago when it first came out. Can I still get the rebate using this package? If so, how? Do I have to have some kind of a card or something to send in? If so, where do I get the card and when I send it in, what do have to send in *with* it to prove I have the version 2.1 CD-ROM? ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:32:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12733 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:37:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17777; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:43:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:43:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA17760; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 13:43:21 -0500 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA03277; Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:42:39 MST Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:42:39 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9411081842.AA03277@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Warp/APM update There is now a PMR number on file with the OS/2 support group relative to APM problems under Warp: 0X827,PSG. If anyone would like to jump on the bandwagon, please refer to this number when calling IBM. I was told that there have been reports of honkered-up APM functions as a result of using a power-on password. It just so happens that I do use such a password, so their advice was to bag the password and see if the problem persists. My machine is unavailable to me right now, so I don't know if this will cure it or not. It is interesting to note that I've had two responses confirming the aforementioned suspend problem, and one response stating that suspend functions correctly. Could it be that 3/4 of us are using a power-on password, and the remaining 1/4 is not? - Karl From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:33:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12263 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:26:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23401; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:58:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:58:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23352; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:58:33 -0500 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxped11491; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 14:58:13 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 14:43:03 PST From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: RE: HDD connector info please? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII [stuff about AMP D connector on HDD deleted] >I do however have the feeling that this was too easy, and therefore >the phantom part must be the connector *inside* the drive box. Am I >right? If so, what were the instructions again for opening the drive box? First things first... There's three parts to this connector. The AMP D connector (glad to know it's sourcable - care to post the inventory number and contact info?), the ribbon-like cable (proper term??) and the 44 pin connector to the drive. That should be findable. It's the same size as a standard IDE connector, I believe, but with 4 more sockets. Here's the spec from the Seagate tech reference for one of their 2.5 drives: ST-9150AG TOP +- 44-pin I/O Connector (* see below) & o o ::::::::::::::::::::1 o o -P-W-A-----------+------------------ & & & pin-20 removed for keying ---------------+ & & & & & & Drive is Master, no Slave drive present ------------------ 0 0 Drive is Master, Seagate Slave drive present ------------- 1 0 Drive is Slave to another Seagate 2.5" Master ------------ 0 1 Reserved Position (Do Not Use) --------------------------- 1 1 * Drive uses +5vdc power supplied to the drive via the interface connector. The drive does NOT make use of a +12vdc power line. pin-41 +5vdc (Logic) pin-42 +5vdc (Motor) pin-43 Ground Anyways - my Circuit Specialist catalog only lists 40 and 50 pin 0.1x0.1 IDC female socket connectors. However, those are only $1 each in single quantity, $0.60 ea > 100 quantity. So even if you have to get these made.... not a horrid price, I would think. And SOMEONE is making them.... Second, getting the case open: Peel back the little sticker showing where to push down when inserting it and you'll find two screws. Remove em. Next, the way I did this was to carefully use a flathead jewler's screwdriver to undo the snaps one by one, starting at the end with the screws. The case had enough flex for me to bend it back as I went w/o damaging it. Once you do that, the top flips up and you're home free. ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:33:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13871 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:29:25 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23967; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:05:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:05:16 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23900; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:04:47 -0500 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxpee12789; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:04:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 15:04:45 PST From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: Tech manual To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII >I just asked my techinical sales person nicely, and she sent me one >for free. On the other hand, I've purched 40 ThinkPads from her in the >last two years My IBM rep pretty much disappeared a few years ago. They realized the college was just buying PCs and they weren't making a lot of money from us, so she just does AS400 stuff now. So 'till they make one that'll fit in my bag... But they sure do treat you well when they like you, don't they? >I hope you're not disappointed with the manual. Its actually a 70 page >newsprint booklet, approximately 4"x7"! They can scratch it out with coal on the back of a shovel for all I care, so long as it has the info I need.... How much detail is there on pinouts and things? I don't suppose it has any info on the dock and other expansion connector devices, does it? ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:33:14 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28865 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:47:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28952; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:01:08 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:01:06 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28936; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:01:02 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxpee14516; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 15:12:53 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA15401; Tue, 8 Nov 94 12:07:24 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA17887; Tue, 8 Nov 94 12:13:44 PST Received: by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24177; Tue, 8 Nov 94 12:10:11 PST Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 12:10:11 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Message-Id: <9411082010.AA24177@opus.objy.com> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: OS/2 3.0/Warp upgrade price? Did IBM extend the date for OS/2 2.1 purchases eligible for rebate? I looked at the back of one of the coupons on the shelf at CompUSA and it said the original purchase of OS/2 had to be made before 10/31/94. --Bruce From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:33:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17104 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:19:05 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02833; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:53:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:53:54 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA02823; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:53:50 -0500 Received: by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11583; Tue, 8 Nov 94 13:55:52 PST Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 13:55:52 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9411082155.AA11583@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: What is the left most 9 pin port on a TP750Ce (lost the manual) In-Reply-To: Mail from 'chetal@gedny.ml.com (Pradeep Chetal)' dated: Tue, 8 Nov 94 12:46:50 EST > I am trying to connect the TP to a HP200LX via a 9-pin cable. > What is the 9-pin port on the TP750? The ThinkPad uses a standard RS-232D interface which is compatible with the 16550 UART. The pinouts for the male DB9 is: Pin Name Description --- ---- ----------- 1 DCD Carrier Detect 2 RD Receive Data 3 TD Transmit Data 4 DTR Data Terminal Ready 5 SG Signal Ground 6 DSR Data Set Ready 7 RTS Request to Send 8 CTS Clear to Send 9 RI Ring Indicator For a minimal interface to the HP, you probably only need 2,3 & 5. If the HP needs hardware flow control, then 2,3,5,7 & 8. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:33:18 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17348 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:19:33 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03202; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:58:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:58:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA03192; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 16:58:03 -0500 Received: by taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA11692; Tue, 8 Nov 94 14:00:10 PST Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 14:00:10 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9411082200.AA11692@taurus.cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Tech manual In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Don Whiteside ' dated: Tue, 8 Nov 94 15:04:45 PST > I don't suppose it has any info on the dock and other expansion > connector devices, does it? It describes all the pinouts for every connect in the ThinkPad, including the expansion connector and the hard disk connector. I'd post the pinnouts to the expansion connector, but its a 240 pin connector... If you want, I can fax it to you. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:33:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25989 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:33:04 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04355; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:13:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:13:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04343; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:13:18 -0500 Message-Id: <199411082213.RAA04343@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by martigny.ai.mit.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03889; Tue, 8 Nov 94 17:10:23 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 17:10:23 -0500 From: Chris Hanson To: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:42:39 MST from kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Subject: Warp/APM update Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 11:42:39 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) It is interesting to note that I've had two responses confirming the aforementioned suspend problem, and one response stating that suspend functions correctly. Could it be that 3/4 of us are using a power-on password, and the remaining 1/4 is not? - Karl This might be correct -- I'm NOT using a power-on password and the APM functions perfectly for me. From ???@??? Tue Nov 08 19:33:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26888 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:34:28 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04398; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:14:04 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:14:03 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04388; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 17:14:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199411082214.RAA04388@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by martigny.ai.mit.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03895; Tue, 8 Nov 94 17:13:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 17:13:47 -0500 From: Chris Hanson To: bruce@objy.com Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Tue, 8 Nov 94 12:10:11 PST from bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Subject: OS/2 3.0/Warp upgrade price? Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 12:10:11 PST From: bruce@objy.com (Bruce Reed) Did IBM extend the date for OS/2 2.1 purchases eligible for rebate? I looked at the back of one of the coupons on the shelf at CompUSA and it said the original purchase of OS/2 had to be made before 10/31/94. --Bruce Yes -- it has been extended to 12/31/94. There was a post regarding this on "comp.os.os2.announce" a few weeks ago. They sure would have pissed off a lot of people otherwise... From ???@??? Wed Nov 09 01:15:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17910 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:05:17 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17418; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:02:07 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:02:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17408; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:02:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199411090202.VAA17408@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-71.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27573; Tue, 8 Nov 94 19:58:58 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 19:58:58 -0600 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Warp/APM woes X-Mailer: >So the audio drivers now support sound in Windows under OS/2? They didn't >before. Try reading through the MMPM/2 README. It had some important >stuff buried in it in OS/2 2.1. Windows sounds are now supported in an OS/2 session. It still has the inherent limitations of Windows (i.e. skips if you load up too CPU intensive apps), but that's why they include a copy of MMOS! :) >Also, contrary to Sean's report on the Warp Beta, you seem to have Warp >running SVGA on the TP750. Is that correct? Actually, I had SVGA on the TP750C using Warp Beta II. I don't know if it got lost in the Warp GA release though (I doubt it). BTW, the man who demo'd Warp GA for us was none other than Timothy Sipples. Since I picked him up from the train station and many of us cruised out for pizza afterward, I had quite a lot of fun (and tried to pick his brain about IBM's strategies). --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Wed Nov 09 01:15:57 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19174 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:07:35 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18130; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:11:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:11:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18120; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:11:42 -0500 Message-Id: <199411090211.VAA18120@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-71.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28407; Tue, 8 Nov 94 20:08:40 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 20:08:40 -0600 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Warp/APM woes X-Mailer: >Anyone know why I can't get my Windows apps to run seamlessly? Have you checked to make sure that the video drivers are okay? In the system.ini file, there should be a driver loading for seamless drivers. Also, just to let you know, the latest version of WordPerfect (6.0a I think) includes some OS/2-awareness. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Wed Nov 09 01:16:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24697 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:17:36 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18684; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:20:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:20:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA18654; Tue, 8 Nov 1994 21:20:22 -0500 Message-Id: <199411090220.VAA18654@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-71.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29018; Tue, 8 Nov 94 20:17:14 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 94 20:17:14 -0600 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Warp SVGA X-Mailer: [Stuff deleted] >specifically for use with the ThinkPad. Warp comes with its own >drivers for the ThinkPad that are accelerated (unlike previous versions) >but which cause the corruption on monochrome LCDs. [More stuff unashamedly deleted] >>Also, contrary to Sean's report on the Warp Beta, you seem to have >>Warp running SVGA on the TP750. Is that correct? > >This is correct. The installation program automatically installs the >correct video driver. Wait! Does SVGA work on the TP750 or not? SVGA worked fine in the Warp Beta II version on my TP750C. However, Timothy Sipples told me that the Warp drivers for the Thinkpad are bad and won't work on the TP750 (no mention of problems with the TP75xC). Can anyone confirm? --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Wed Nov 09 01:16:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13511 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:59:41 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28943; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:04:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:04:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from inetgate.prodigy.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA28933; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:04:37 -0500 Received: from mail.prodigy.com by inetgate.prodigy.com with SMTP id AA59836 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 8 Nov 1994 23:23:34 -0500 Date: Tue, 08 Nov 1994 23:23:16 EST From: VJFY58A@prodigy.com (MR WESLEY T DUNAWAY) X-Mailer: PRODIGY Services Company Internet mailer [PIM 3.2-308.52] Message-Id: <013.01723664.VJFY58A@prodigy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp/APM woes -- [ From: Wesley T. Dunaway * EMC.Ver #2.01P ] -- >[Stuff deleted] > >>specifically for use with the ThinkPad. Warp comes with its own >>drivers for the ThinkPad that are accelerated (unlike previous >>versions) >>but which cause the corruption on monochrome LCDs. > >[More stuff unashamedly deleted] > >>>Also, contrary to Sean's report on the Warp Beta, you seem to have >>>Warp running SVGA on the TP750. Is that correct? >> >>This is correct. The installation program automatically installs >the >>correct video driver. > >Wait! Does SVGA work on the TP750 or not? > >SVGA worked fine in the Warp Beta II version on my TP750C. >However, Timothy Sipples told me that the Warp drivers for the >Thinkpad are bad and won't work on the TP750 (no mention of >problems with the TP75xC). Can anyone confirm? >--- >Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 The Warp drivers for the ThinkPad work. They are much nicer than the video drivers for OS/2 that IBM supplied with the ThinkPad for use with OS/2 2.1 in that they are accelerated. As the README reports, though, there is Win-OS/2 corruption on monochrome LCDs. The README indicates that the normal VGA driver doesn't have the problem. I hope that since IBM knows about this that they are working on a fix. Wesley Dunaway From ???@??? Wed Nov 09 01:16:08 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23558 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:23:08 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00958; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:34:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:34:35 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from pasture.ecn.purdue.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA00948; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:34:34 -0500 Received: from pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (sears@localhost) by pasture.ecn.purdue.edu (8.6.9/3.5davy) id AAA22101; Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:34:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199411090534.AAA22101@pasture.ecn.purdue.edu> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 1994 00:34:32 -0500 From: Michael J Sears To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Cc: sears@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Angia 19.2 PCMCIA Modem... 11.07.94 Hello, I was recently reading the November, 1994 PC Computing magazine article about PCMCIA cards (in particular, modems, pp 174). The Angia SafeJack 19.2 was given a very good review; it came out on top in every category (except cellular compatibility). Also, the price looked good too. My question is, are any Thinkpad owners out in net land using this modem? What are your comments? Did you having any BIG problems getting it set up? In particular, I have not seen that the modem is "Thinkpad Proven". This is my primary concern. (I have a Thinkpad 350). Thanks for your help. Michael |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| | ___ || Michael J. Sears, Graduate Student | | ( __ __ __ __ || INTERNET: sears@ecn.purdue.edu | | `-- |--'| || (_ || Department of Agricultural Engineering | | ___) `-- `--|| __) || Purdue University | | || West Lafayette, Indiana 47907-1146 USA | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| From ???@??? Fri Nov 11 13:55:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06765 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:11:39 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14974; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:42:29 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:42:27 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from snapple.engr.wisc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14964; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:42:24 -0500 Received: from toddspc.caenn.wisc.edu (toddspc.engr.wisc.edu) by snapple.engr.wisc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.10G/31) id AA297636539; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:42:19 -0600 Message-Id: <199411101942.AA297636539@snapple.engr.wisc.edu> X-Sender: tannenba@serv0.cae.wisc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:42:15 -0600 To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU From: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu (Todd Tannenbaum) Subject: SOLUTION: 3com & Port Replicator X-Mailer: Hello folks, Finally, I now have the 3com PCMCIA card working in slots 3 or 4 in the Thinkpad PCMCIA port replicator slots. The big breakthough was that 3com released new drivers. I got them via their BBS: (408) 980-8204, up to 14400 baud, N, 8, 1. The file was 3C589N.exe, and it was in their "New files" (or new uploads, whatever) section. It was dated Oct 94. It is a self extracting archive. I am using their 3C589.exe program (ODI packet driver), and everything seems cool with both the Port Replicator and with EZPLAY. Just remember to comment out the OPTION=IGNORE line in the Ethernet section of your \thinkpad\autodrv.ini file. Didn't have to add anything to my config.sys, didn't have to run any 3com configure program, just insert & login in. Finally, my ethernet card works with easyplay like my megahertz modem does! Note that this new archive also has odi, ndis, _and_ "clarkson" style packet drivers for the card. (the clarkson driver supposedly will not support re-configuration via card & socket services, but the ODI one sure appears to since it is working just fine with EZPLAY now). Have not yet tested everything (like suspend, etc), but what I have done looks great. Note that I am using the most recent release of ibm's pcmcia/ezplay stuff as well; got that from IBM's ftp site. ENJOY! I am! ,Todd =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Todd Tannenbaum email: tannenba@engr.wisc.edu Director of the Model Advanced Facility voice phone: (608) 262-3118 Computuer-Aided Engineering Center FAX phone: (608) 265-4546 University of Wisconsin-Madison From ???@??? Fri Nov 11 13:56:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08244 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:14:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16703; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:03:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:03:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16693; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:03:23 -0500 Received: from objygate.objy.com by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxplo13460; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:03:08 -0500 Received: from objy.objy.com by objygate.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21200; Thu, 10 Nov 94 11:58:01 PST Received: from opus.objy.com by objy.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.0) id AA11387; Thu, 10 Nov 94 12:04:29 PST Received: from localhost by opus.objy.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA24637; Thu, 10 Nov 94 12:00:49 PST Message-Id: <9411102000.AA24637@opus.objy.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp/APM woes X-Mailer: exmh version 1.4 6/24/94 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 12:00:48 -0800 From: Bruce Reed > I am interested in where you got the os2pcm beta drivers. I am trying > to get my Trantor slimSCSI to work under OS/2. I must of missed this thread. Someone's working on OS/2 PCMCIA drivers for the Adaptec SlimSCSI? Last time I spoke with Adaptec they told me that there were no plans in the near future to develop OS/2 drivers. I pointed out that this should be rather easy under WARP with system suppled CS/SS, but it sounded like they were not convinced there was going to be a lot of demand for OS/2 support. They should talk to Egghead and CompUSA who apparently cannot keep it on the shelves for more than a few hours. --Bruce From ???@??? Fri Nov 11 13:56:03 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10692 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 17:20:05 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16290; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:55:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:55:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16205; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:55:03 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA09763; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 13:54:51 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 14:55:30 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <53730.jokim@mit.edu> To: dvchan@netcom.com Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Hi...anyone know how to get a Syquest 270 Mb to boot on the 750c? In message Thu, 10 Nov 1994 07:37:14 -0800 (PST), Randal Whittle writes: >> Hi! I read the instructions that came w/ the Dock II, but my Syquest >> still insists on being assigned SCSI ID #1. I even set the jumper on >> the back of the drive to read "ID 0" but i think the SCAM support in >> the Dock II forces it to go to SCSI ID 1. Does anyone know how to >> get my SCSI drive recognized as ID 0? > > They key question here is in asking whether ThinkPad Owners using > a the Dock II can use the SCSI setup to *boot* from. I don't know the > answer to that... If you go to the TP BIOS setup (turn machine off, hold down F1, turn it on), one of the setup options is the startup device order. You might try putting HDD2 (or HDD3 or HDD4) in the first slot and see if that does the trick. I'm guessing it *has* to work with a dock because there really is no other way to add another hard drive. _______________________________________________________________________ |\_______________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | \|_______________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Fri Nov 11 13:56:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14130 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 18:50:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02301; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 18:20:58 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 18:20:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA02280; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 18:20:52 -0500 Received: from rufus.UCSC.EDU by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id PAA26595; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:20:25 -0800 Received: by rufus.UCSC.EDU (8.6.9/4.7) id PAA23399; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:20:13 -0800 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 15:20:13 -0800 Message-Id: <199411102320.PAA23399@rufus.UCSC.EDU> To: bruce@objy.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: dick@cats.ucsc.edu (Dick Terdiman) Subject: Re: Warp/APM woes I have a TP 720C (160 meg HD) that I am considering selling. The machine is in perfect shape. Anyone have a good idea what I might expect to receive for it? Your advice would be appreciated. Dick From ???@??? Fri Nov 11 13:56:15 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27577 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:33:03 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05971; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:31:08 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:31:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA05947; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 19:30:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199411110030.TAA05947@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by martigny.ai.mit.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16788; Thu, 10 Nov 94 19:30:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 19:30:53 -0500 From: Chris Hanson To: hosmer@ibm.net Cc: shosmer@netcom.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9411101900.AA0022@shosmer.slip.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Warp/APM woes Date: Thu, 10 Nov 94 09:13:35 -0800 From: hosmer@ibm.net Cc: "Stephen Hosmer" , "Thinkpad List" I am interested in where you got the os2pcm beta drivers. I am trying to get my Trantor slimSCSI to work under OS/2. //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // shosmer@netcom.com // with the newest NASDAQ company // Royale Energy Inc. (ROYL) ftp to "software.watson.ibm.com" and get the file "os2/ews/os2pcm.zip". From ???@??? Fri Nov 11 13:56:19 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03954 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:34:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18876; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:09:37 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:09:36 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA18866; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:09:34 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by (5.65c/Spike-8-1.0) id AA04862; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:09:18 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA11631; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:09:36 -0500 Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:09:36 -0500 From: eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell) Message-Id: <199411110309.AA11631@world.std.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 3com ftp site Hello all, 3com has a ftp site. The address is ftp.3com.com (or gatekeeper.3com.com). The 3c589n file mentioned on this list is in the directory /adapters/drivers. 73 Eric eac@world.std.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 11 13:56:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA17282 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Nov 1994 01:32:50 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04475; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 01:40:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 01:40:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom20.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04464; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 01:40:44 -0500 Received: by netcom20.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id WAA00732; Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:41:05 -0800 From: dvchan@netcom.com (Derek Chan) Message-Id: <199411110641.WAA00732@netcom20.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Hi...anyone know how to get a Syquest 270 Mb to boot on the 750c? To: whittle@chaph.usc.edu (Randal Whittle) Date: Thu, 10 Nov 1994 22:41:04 -0800 (PST) Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (Thinkpad tp750@cs.utk.edu) In-Reply-To: <199411101537.HAA21094@aludra.usc.edu> from "Randal Whittle" at Nov 10, 94 07:37:14 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > Hi! I read the instructions that came w/ the Dock II, but my Syquest > > still insists on being assigned SCSI ID #1. I even set the jumper on the > > back of the drive to read "ID 0" but i think the SCAM support in the Dock > > II forces it to go to SCSI ID 1. Does anyone know how to get my SCSI > > drive recognized as ID 0? > > They key question here is in asking whether ThinkPad Owners using > a the Dock II can use the SCSI setup to *boot* from. I don't know the > answer to that... > > In order for a SCSI hard drive to be assigned ID 0, it has to be > the first drive on the system--meaning, it can't be competing with the > likes of another IDE drive. If there is an IDE drive on the system (namely, > the one inside your ThinkPad), then it can't do its thing--at least not > as a boot drive. First thing I'd do is remove my ThinkPad's IDE hard drive > and see what happens. > > The second thing that is necessary is for your SCSI card (again, I > don't know exactly how IBM impliments SCSI in its Dock II) to have a > "Boot ROM" in it, allowing you to boot from a SCSI hard drive. Most cheap > SCSI cards you see sold with the likes of CD-ROM drives simply don't have > such a thing, but better SCSI cards do. On my desktop machine, I used to > boot off a SCSI drive but now I boot off of an IDE and use the SCSI as > extra hard drive space. Hence, I have a Boot ROM in my Adaptec SCSI card, > but I don't need it right now since I boot off the IDE (which, as long as > you have a non-SCSI drive in the system, you have to boot off that non-SCSI > drive). > > Let us know what you do and how you do it. I have a particular > interest in the SyQuest 270 as I have one myself! ;) I figured out the problem (w/ mine, at least). I had to unplug my Syquest and plug it back in for the new scsi id's on the back to recognized (). However, I also figured out how to boot from the 270. Just use the setup (F1) and set your computer to start up HDD-2 before HDD-1. It'll go to the syquest first, then the internal. However, if you have the syquest on but no disk in the syquest, the cmoputer hangs...kinda annoying to say the least. Furthermore, you have to make the syquest bootable via a disk editor of some kind...I don't think that fdisk works. Use norton diskedit and examine the partition table of the syquest. If you have a new syquest disk (PC formatted), there should only be one partition I think. Or, low level format the disk. Then, use diskedit and set the partition you want booted, bootable. Hmmmm...I guess I'll try installing boot manager onto it ;-). On the other hand, I think LILO from Linux can boot different hard drives. Maybe it's time to do away with the pretty Boot Manager. From ???@??? Sat Nov 12 02:30:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12524 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:18:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25019; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:52:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:52:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gar.uhc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25009; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:52:27 -0500 Received: from lochness.uhc.com by gar.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA17004; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 13:51:42 -0600 Received: by lochness.uhc.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA61305; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 13:51:42 -0600 From: rol@uhc.com (Roleigh Martin) Message-Id: <9411111951.AA61305@lochness.uhc.com> Subject: TPAUDVXD.386--IS YOURS A HOG TOO? To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU (IBM 750 newsgroup) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 13:51:42 -0600 (CST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The IBM Thinkpad 755C System.Ini entry, device=tpaudvxd.386, is a super memory hog. I have a 20mb ram 755C, and with QEMM 7.5, I have 613kb base memory free when I go into Windows. I can only have file manager, Word Perfect for Windows 6.0a, Procomm Plus 2.0 and I can't load either Lotus 1-2-3 rel 5 nor latest Lotus Free- lance, yet if I comment out tpaudvxd.386, I can load as many big hog programs as I want. As this 755c is my boss's boss (who wants me to load more than 2 hog programs at a time on his 20mb ram computer like he was able to on his Toshiba 4600C), I need to know what my options are. 1. What about using New Media Corporation's PCMCIA .WAVjammer card and using audio cables from that card's dongle device back to the TP755C speakers, and using this sound device v. that of the TP755C? Has anyone done this? 2. My TPAUDVXD.386 (in \WINDOWS\SYSTEM directory) is 5,591 bytes and dated 2-14-94. Is there a newer, better version? Where do I get the newer version (filename, directory, ftp or bbs site). 3. Any other ideas? Thanks! -- | Roleigh Martin, Rt. MN06-6130 Opinions are mine not UHC | | UHC, Advanced Technology AT&T/vmail: (612) 945-6529 | | 9705 Data Park Drive FAX: (612) 945-6502 | | Minnetonka, MN 55343 Email: rol@lochness.uhc.com | | ** B'days are good for health ** | | Statistics show that people with most b'days live the longest | | When cryptography is outlawed, bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl | From ???@??? Sat Nov 12 02:30:56 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29926 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Nov 1994 18:54:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16468; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 18:57:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 18:57:43 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from get.hooked.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA16457; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 18:57:39 -0500 Received: from ankle!ankle.spine.com (jesse@localhost) by get.hooked.net (8.6.9/8.6.5) with UUCP id PAA28865 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:00:56 -0800 Received: from ankle.UUCP (root@localhost) by colon.spine.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with UUCP id PAA06997 for tp750@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 15:51:02 -0800 Received: by ankle.spine.com (UUPC/extended 1.12j); Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:34:19 -0800 Message-Id: <2ec3f16b.ankle@ankle.spine.com> From: jesse@spine.com To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: windows 95? Sender: jesse montrose Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 14:34:19 -0800 Our beta copy is supposed to come in in a few weeks, and I remember someone on this list was running the beta on their tp.. I've got a few questions: . are there any tp specific drivers I need to get hold of to make it work? . I have a tp755cs, does it work in 640x480x256? . does the tcp/ip really work? Much thanks! From ???@??? Sat Nov 12 02:30:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07056 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Nov 1994 19:24:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10651; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 17:29:07 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 17:29:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10641; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 17:29:04 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA27534; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 16:29:01 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 17:29:38 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <62980.jokim@mit.edu> To: rol@uhc.com, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: TPAUDVXD.386--IS YOURS A HOG TOO? In message Fri, 11 Nov 1994 13:51:42 -0600 (CST), rol@uhc.com (Roleigh Martin) writes: > The IBM Thinkpad 755C System.Ini entry, device=tpaudvxd.386, is > a super memory hog. I have a 20mb ram 755C, and with QEMM 7.5, > I have 613kb base memory free when I go into Windows. I can only > have file manager, Word Perfect for Windows 6.0a, Procomm Plus 2.0 > and I can't load either Lotus 1-2-3 rel 5 nor latest Lotus Free- > lance, yet if I comment out tpaudvxd.386, I can load as many big > hog programs as I want. As this 755c is my boss's boss (who wants > me to load more than 2 hog programs at a time on his 20mb ram > computer like he was able to on his Toshiba 4600C), I need to know > what my options are. With a 20MB machine, you could install OS/2 and forget about all your memory problems. I've got it installed with PCMCIA, audio, ethernet LAN, and TCP/IP drivers and my DOS boxes still have the base 593k - (I've never had problems with needing more so I haven't bothered tweaking). If IBM has fixed a bug with not being able to load DOS high, you should be able to get ~620k in your DOS boxes easy. OS/2 handles all the drivers so they never infringe on the lower 640k. Barring that, you can inspect where in memory all your drivers are going, and play around with the order they're installed in. I found out that the TP audio drivers (probably not the same version as yours) would exactly fit in high memory if I bumped DOSKEY into conventional memory. I wish *I* had a 20MB machine. What with all the multitasking I do, I could really use it. :-) _______________________________________________________________________ |\_______________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | \|_______________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Sat Nov 12 02:31:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09528 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 11 Nov 1994 19:35:36 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19542; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 19:31:01 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 19:30:59 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA19530; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 19:30:54 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id QAA05365; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 16:30:38 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id QAA03512; Fri, 11 Nov 1994 16:30:31 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199411120030.QAA03512@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: TPAUDVXD.386--IS YOURS A HOG TOO? To: rol@uhc.com (Roleigh Martin) Date: Fri, 11 Nov 1994 16:30:29 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9411111951.AA61305@lochness.uhc.com> from "Roleigh Martin" at Nov 11, 94 01:51:42 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The IBM Thinkpad 755C System.Ini entry, device=tpaudvxd.386, is > a super memory hog. I have a 20mb ram 755C, and with QEMM 7.5, > computer like he was able to on his Toshiba 4600C), I need to know > what my options are. > > 1. What about using New Media Corporation's PCMCIA .WAVjammer > card and using audio cables from that card's dongle device > back to the TP755C speakers, and using this sound device v. > that of the TP755C? Has anyone done this? > > 2. My TPAUDVXD.386 (in \WINDOWS\SYSTEM directory) is 5,591 > bytes and dated 2-14-94. Is there a newer, better version? > Where do I get the newer version (filename, directory, ftp > or bbs site). > > 3. Any other ideas? How about forgetting sound altogether? I am ashamed to admit that the TP's built-in sound was something of a selling point for me, but despite having sound on my TP and a perfectly good soundblaster card in my Desktop machine, I have yet to see a legitimate, bonified reason to have sound on a computer (with the *possible* exception of showing video for some kind of dog-and-pony show presentation). Other than that possible exception, all I see are sounds for silly games, educational stuff for kiddies, and horny XXX videos on CD-ROM. Face it--for 99.9% of the population, sound on your computer is simply a nice cutsie feature that really has no purpose other than to impress your friends. Dump it and get on with the real work (that is, unless you're editing video clips, in which case you should probably just stick to using an Amiga and a Video Toaster). ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Nov 17 10:21:23 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24023 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 15 Nov 1994 05:22:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20885; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 04:38:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 04:38:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chorus.chorus.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA20875; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 04:38:23 -0500 From: Received: from octave.chorus.fr by chorus.chorus.fr; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 10:38:10 +0100 Received: by octave.chorus.fr; Tue, 15 Nov 94 10:38:09 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 10:38:09 +0100 Message-Id: <9411150938.AA04472@octave.chorus.fr> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Newcomer + Request info on TP360 Serie Cc: h@chorus.fr Hello ThinkPad users, I am a newcomer to this mailing list. I am especially interested in the Thinkpad 360 Serie and free *IX (Like Linux, *BSD). I have no Thinkpad yet but I am certainely going to buy one in the next few weeks. As I'd like to run Linux as my first operating system and do some kernel developments on it, I have been looking for a solid and powerful configuration. I have a limited budget also. You know, in FRANCE, laptops and especially IBM 75x are still very expensive. For instance, the TP755C (486dx4/75, 4Mo, 170Mo is at 44000FF-US $7333 !) That's why I've been looking to the (more economical) 360 Series. Of course, the old 360s were using a 486Sx33Mhz (only !) CPU. That's why I've been really happy to learn about the new 360 models which are TP360CSE and TP360CE. These are provided with a 486DX2/50Mhz. The other characteristics seem to be the same as the old ones (take a look at IBM's official announcement). My targeted model is the TP360CSE (dual scan) with a 340Mo disk. But before ordering this laptop, I WOULD LIKE TO GATHER AS MUCH AS INFORMATION, EXPERIENCES AS POSSIBLE on this model (or old ones). I have a question not specifically related to Thinkpad: We are currently facing a race in laptop power. New 486dx4/100Mhz and Pentium-based machine are announced. But really few models use an external L2 cache. What's the interest of a high speed CPU, despite it's internal cache, if there is no external one ? Memory intensive applications won't get full CPU power. And finally we can arrive to a point where a 33Mhz machine will better run an application than a 100Mhz one !! - What's your opinion on this problem ? - Apart from the CPU, what are it's weak points and strong one ? - Is there any particular and annoying problems or incompatibilities ? - What's the video chipset in it ? - What's the PCMCIA controller chipset ? - Did someone try to use an external keyboard AND mouse at the same time using the Y cable ? In this case, can I connect any standard PS/2 style mouse to this cable ? - I know that the video card uses a VESA local bus, but what about the hard drive controller (IDE, E-IDE ?) ? - Did someone on this list already order any of the new 360 (CSE,CE) ? What's his/her first impressions ? - Concerning Linux, are the floppy (even though this is a 1.44Mo) and CMOS settings incompatibilities still present ? - What about XFree86-3.x settings (Xconfig) for Dual scan screens ? - What PCMCIA card are supported by both Thinkpad and Linux ? Thanks for your help. -------------------------------------------------------------------- St'ephane ERANIAN | Email eranian@chorus.fr Universit'e PARIS VII | eranian@litp.ibp.fr LITP - Laboratoire d'Informatique | Th'eorique et Programmation | 2 place Jussieu | 75251 Paris cedex 05 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Nov 17 10:21:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07727 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 03:23:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11106; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:51:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:51:19 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from charlie.ece.scarolina.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA11096; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:51:18 -0500 Received: by charlie.ece.scarolina.edu (5.57/Ultrix3.0-C) id AA05222; Tue, 15 Nov 94 15:51:02 -0500 Received: From ENGR_1/WORKQUEUE by mailgate.engr.scarolina.edu via Charon-4.0-VROOM with IPX id 100.941115155028.480; 15 Nov 94 15:51:14 +500 Message-Id: To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: "David N. Rocheleau" Organization: College of Engineering Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 15:50:28 EST Subject: cdrom Reply-To: rochelea@engr.engr.scarolina.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: WinPMail v1.0 (R2) Question: Has anyone had experience running an external triple or quad speed CD-ROM off their TP755? IBM's latest offering is an external PCMCIA CD-ROM double-speed and multi-session Photo CD compatible drive with access time of 250 ms @ 300KB/sec. They are selling it with the PCMCIA CD-ROM interface card (Type II socket) for $415.00. I called IBM PC-Direct and the rep didn't even know that it existed and asked me to fax him the news release on it (thank you Joshua)! I haven't heard back from him as to availability but I do know that I can go down to the nearest computer wholesale outlet and buy an external double-speed CD-ROM for less than $200. But here comes the question, how much would a third party PCMCIA CD-ROM interface card cost and is it compatiable w/ the 755? I don't know if IBM's interface card that comes with theirs is SCSI or not, but I know either way that I will get faster throughput using PCMCIA as opposed to parallel or serial. So anyone out there running an external PCMCIA CD-ROM? Is it double-, triple-, or quad-speed? How do you like it and where can I get one? If I go SCSI, does Colorado trakker make a SCSI 250-500MB backup tape drive unit? Thanks in advance. ************************************ David N. Rocheleau Department of Mechanical Engineering 300 South Main Street University of South Carolina Columbia SC 29208 rocheleau-david@scarolina.edu 803|777-9395 (Office) 803|777-0106 (Fax) ************************************ From ???@??? Thu Nov 17 10:21:29 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13969 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 04:02:29 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27855; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 13:06:56 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 13:06:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27831; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 13:06:38 -0500 Received: from [192.70.249.46] (mac46.ciw.edu) by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA00896; Tue, 15 Nov 94 13:05:57 EST Message-Id: <9411151805.AA00896@gl.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 13:06:14 -0500 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: EPP I asked this before, but now that we have lots of people with tech manuals on the list, somebody might have an answer. Parallel_1 is regular parallel, parallel_2 is EPP. Two questions: 1) Why does parallel_1 even exist? Parallel_2 does EPP or regular, making parallel_1 a crippled redundancy. b) What is parallel_3? Does this allow us to communicate with alien life forms and mac users? :) -Victor ------------------------------------------------------------ Victor Kress Carnegie Institution of Washington, Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 ------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Thu Nov 17 10:21:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11171 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 05:45:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19505; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:13:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:13:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from relay1.UU.NET by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19495; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:13:34 -0500 Received: from ppp.shadow.net by relay1.UU.NET with SMTP id QQxqdk05840; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:13:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 94 11:16:52 PST From: Don Whiteside Sender: Don Whiteside Subject: EPP To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU X-Mailer: Chameleon - TCP/IP for Windows by NetManage, Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've never given the matter much thought, but I did notice in the FAQ that my 750 has an EPP. I also noticed over the weekend the new Epson color scanner which is an EPP-interface and comes with an EPP card. Does anyone know/guess if I could use this unit with the EPP on my Thinkpad? Would be nice to be able to put the EPP card in my desktop and still be able to use the scanner with my TP...... ======================================================================== Donald Alan Whiteside School of Computer Science Eternal Student Florida International University GCS d-- -p+(---) l u+(-) e+ m+ s !n h f g+ w+ t+(++) r- y++ I am NSA of Borg: your private key will be assimilated. ======================================================================== From ???@??? Thu Nov 17 10:21:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11651 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 05:47:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20264; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:20:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:20:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom6.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20219; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 11:20:37 -0500 Received: by netcom6.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id IAA06739; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 08:20:53 -0800 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 08:20:53 -0800 (PST) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: RE: scsi pcmcia that works with an xjack? To: "John H. Kim" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <79381.jokim@mit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have another alternative that more scary but gives a solid connection and locks the line into the xjack. Remove the PCMCIA slot cover r and hang it off the network dongle. This gives the network card enough play to allow the phone line to lock in. In addition you can remove the first couple of millimeters off the front of the phone cable. I do not recommend the above but it works for me. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM On Mon, 14 Nov 1994, John H. Kim wrote: > In message Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:51:43 -0800, jesse@spine.com writes: > > > Anyone have a good solution here? I love my xjack, but would like to add > > a scsi adapter to hook up an external drive and an external nec 3xp.. > > > > I'm a bit concerned about one of those damned dongle cables fitting > > underneath the xjack.. > > It won't fit. I've got an ethernet card taking up the same space. It's a > drawback to the xjack. > > If you don't mind having a tenuous connection, you can still put the phone > jack in the xjack. It won't lock in, but it should make enough of a contact > to work. But if you move the computer or touch the phone line, you'll > lose the connection. > _______________________________________________________________________ > |\_______________________________________________________________________\ > | | | > | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | > | | jokim@mit.edu | > | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | > \|_______________________________________________________________________| > From ???@??? Thu Nov 17 10:21:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11922 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 05:49:31 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04825; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 07:51:49 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 07:51:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA04781; Tue, 15 Nov 1994 07:51:45 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA10896; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:07:46 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id MAA00992; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:07:18 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199411142007.MAA00992@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: TPAUDVXD.386--IS YOURS A HOG TOO? To: stevens@watson.ibm.com (Andrew Stevens) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 1994 12:07:17 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <9411141358.AA29133@jimi.watson.ibm.com> from "Andrew Stevens" at Nov 14, 94 08:58:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Face it--for 99.9% of the population, sound on your computer is > >simply a nice cutsie feature that really has no purpose other than to > >impress your friends. Dump it and get on with the real work (that is, > >unless you're editing video clips, in which case you should probably > >just stick to using an Amiga and a Video Toaster). > > That's funny, I used to feel the same way about color screens!! > > --andy I don't doubt it! But at least there is something to be said for the aesthetics of color screens--for the most part, computer sound is simply noise to me (though I do have a .WAV file that plays, when I exit, Al Bundy saying, "Well this certainly sucks!"). And of course, there are those of us who do our share of desktop publishing where the color ranges from handy to imperative. Aside from games, I see little reason for sound on a computer-- unless you're composing music or for educational stuff (teaching kids to say words, etc.). The gentleman I first made the sound argument to mentioned another use that I hadn't thought of, yet use all the time-- using a sound file to let you know when the computer has completed a process. I use it to let me know the computer has completed downloading a set of files, he uses it to let him know when the computer is done with a long compile, so he can go on to other things without constantly checking to see if it is done. A legitimate reason, I think, but something that *could* be done with a simple system beep too. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Nov 17 10:21:43 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14108 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:23:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27512; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:11:43 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:11:41 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from UTKVM1.UTK.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27500; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:11:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199411161611.LAA27500@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from UTKVM1.BITNET by UTKVM1.UTK.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2870; Wed, 16 Nov 94 11:10:48 LCL Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU by UTKVM1.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 7473; Wed, 16 Nov 94 11:10:44 LCL Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (NJE origin KRUCK@WVNVM) by WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3321; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:09:48 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 11:09:47 EST From: "Ruckstuhl, Keith E" To: Subject: WP60a question This may not be the best place to ask, but not knowing where else to go... I installed wordperfect 60, then moved it to another partition. I get the error message " cannot find c:wpwin60wpqc60us.dll", although I changed all the path statements I could find in the wp60a menus. What did I miss? Thanks, Keith From ???@??? Thu Nov 17 10:21:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21195 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:41:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24749; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:38:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:38:31 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA24732; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 10:38:22 -0500 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA06254 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:38:05 +1000 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:37:59 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson Subject: Re: EPP To: tp750 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 16 Nov 1994, Donald A. Whiteside wrote: > On Tue, 15 Nov 1994, Victor Kress wrote: > > > b) What is parallel_3? Does this allow us to communicate with > > alien life forms and mac users? :) > > There's a difference? > Yeah most people believe in _intelligent_ extraterrestrial life. sorry, but it was begging to be done. From ???@??? Thu Nov 17 10:21:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11481 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:34:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04361; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:39:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:39:40 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from ZCIAS1.ZIFF.COM by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04345; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:39:36 -0500 Received: from MAIL.ZD.ZIFF.COM by zcias1.ziff.com (PMDF V4.3-7 #6906) id <01HJJPUZ46LS0094QK@zcias1.ziff.com>; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:39:21 EDT Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 12:36 -0500 (EST) From: SMKelly@mail.zd.ziff.com (SMKelly) Subject: Re: WP60a question To: RKeithE@mail.zd.ziff.com, KE@mail.zd.ziff.com Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01HJJPUZ6BRM0094QK@zcias1.ziff.com> X-Envelope-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Check for INI files that need changing. O-CMS-ErrorsTo: owner-t @ INTERNET (owner-tp750) {owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU} This may not be the best place to ask, but not knowing where else to go... I installed wordperfect 60, then moved it to another partition. I get the error message " cannot find c:wpwin60wpqc60us.dll", although I changed all the path statements I could find in the wp60a menus. What did I miss? Thanks, Keith From ???@??? Thu Nov 17 10:21:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15030 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 16:42:06 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21073; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 09:55:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 09:55:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA21049; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 09:55:24 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id JAA03107; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 09:58:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 09:58:12 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" Subject: Re: EPP To: Thinkpad List Cc: Greg Rhodes In-Reply-To: <9411151805.AA00896@gl.ciw.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 15 Nov 1994, Victor Kress wrote: > b) What is parallel_3? Does this allow us to communicate with > alien life forms and mac users? :) There's a difference? From ???@??? Thu Nov 17 10:22:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04945 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 20:05:43 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00427; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:38:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:38:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA00416; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 18:38:18 -0500 Received: by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA10887; Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:38:34 GMT Received: from slip2-19.fl.us.ibm.net(129.37.2.19) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaKnkDmb; Wed Nov 16 23:38:12 1994 Received: by localhost (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.6)/1.0um) id AA0015; Wed, 16 Nov 94 16:32:22 -0800 Message-Id: <9411170032.AA0015@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 94 16:31:53 -0800 From: shosmer@netcom.com To: "Thinkpad List " Reply-To: shosmer@netcom.com Subject: RE: scsi pcmcia that works with an xjack? X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Id: <11_53_1_785021515> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Description: //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // shosmer@netcom.com // with the newest NASDAQ company // Royale Energy Inc. (ROYL) //--- forwarded letter ------------------------------------------------------- > Return-Path: > Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by mail3.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) > id TAA01458; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 19:18:57 -0800 > Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id WAA26751; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:02:36 -0500 > X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:02:32 EST > Errors-to: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU > Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) > id WAA26741; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 22:02:24 -0500 > Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) > id AA18569; Mon, 14 Nov 1994 21:02:20 -0600 > X-Nupop-Charset: English > Message-Id: <79381.jokim@mit.edu> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 94 22:03:00 -0500 > From: "John H. Kim" > To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU > Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu > Subject: RE: scsi pcmcia that works with an xjack? > Content-Type: multipart/mixed; charset="US-ASCII"; > boundary="PART.BOUNDARY.0020.784968679" > > In message Mon, 14 Nov 1994 15:51:43 -0800, jesse@spine.com writes: > > > Anyone have a good solution here? I love my xjack, but would like to add > > a scsi adapter to hook up an external drive and an external nec 3xp.. > > > > I'm a bit concerned about one of those damned dongle cables fitting > > underneath the xjack.. > > It won't fit. I've got an ethernet card taking up the same space. It's a > drawback to the xjack. > > If you don't mind having a tenuous connection, you can still put the phone > jack in the xjack. It won't lock in, but it should make enough of a contact > to work. But if you move the computer or touch the phone line, you'll > lose the connection. > _______________________________________________________________________ > |\_______________________________________________________________________\ > | | | > | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | > | | jokim@mit.edu | > | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | > \|_______________________________________________________________________| > From ???@??? Thu Nov 17 10:22:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29053 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:22:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23853; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:28:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:28:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA23843; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:27:56 -0500 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA24315 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:27:51 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:27:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs19.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:26:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs19.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:25:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.44.sun4c.411.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs19.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs19.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:25:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:25:57 -0500 (EST) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: external harddrives I have a tp755cs and a pathetic 170 meg hd which is getting very crowded. I'm looking for an external hard disk to go along with my 170mb hd I guess SCSI-2 is the best huh? well, should I go with a pcmcia scsi-2 or through EPP? I already have a ethernet card (pcmcia) and the scsi-2 card might not fit in (due to cable) and also, would the external harddisk access speed be faster through the pcmcia scsi-2 or the epp? what are my options? btw, do I need a screen saver for my dual scan screen? thanks in advance ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sang Kim I want the world to know that I sk6k@andrew.cmu.edu LOOOOOOOOVE Alexis Hayes, the babe from University of Denver. (wow, what a knockout!) *** Alexis is my Celestial Pixie Princess :-P""" *** ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Nov 17 10:22:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AB10802 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:59:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25426; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 02:13:12 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 02:13:10 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from iss.nus.sg by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA25416; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 02:13:04 -0500 Received: from grape.iss.nus.sg by iss.nus.sg (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA05274; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:16:19 +0800 From: kcheong@iss.nus.sg (Kevin Cheong) Message-Id: <9411170716.AA05274@iss.nus.sg> Subject: tp360 + os2w3 + gcc + gdb + emacs + .. To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:16:18 +0800 (SST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, i intend to install gcc, gdb, latex, ghost.., emacs over to os/2w3. 1) what is the system requirement to have all this and still run "respectably" on an IBM TP360 notebook? ie. RAM, disk space, degradation of performance, not up and running most of the time, incompatibilities with w3, swap space etc. spec: 12Mb RAM, 340 Mb HD, 386sx33sl 2) how close does os/2w3 emulate the look-and-feel of the UNIX environment? ie. background, foreground tasks, etc. 3) is it simple to work between UNIX and os/2w3 environments without m/any portability issues (when using the compilers)? ie. at work i use an IBM RISC/6000 410 for development. 4) would it be better to have slackware (linux) w/o X stuff as well as os/2w3 + the compilers? TIA.. cheers, . kevin cheong iss nus nlp program . From ???@??? Fri Nov 18 13:21:18 1994 Received: from shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net) by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08489 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:27:53 -0600 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id MAA18252; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:30:55 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:30:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" Subject: Re: EPP To: Sean Chou Cc: Thinkpad List In-Reply-To: <199411171656.LAA11449@CS.UTK.EDU> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, Sean Chou wrote: > >I've never given the matter much thought, but I did notice in the FAQ that my > >750 has an EPP. I also noticed over the weekend the new Epson color scanner > >which is an EPP-interface and comes with an EPP card. Does anyone know/guess > > Oooh! It should work. How much is it? $1000. Looks like a nice scanner too. The Office Depot sells it. From ???@??? Fri Nov 18 13:21:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14731 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:40:01 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09450; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:28:09 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:28:06 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09440; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:28:00 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id IAA22908; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 08:27:55 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id IAA23440; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 08:27:54 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199411171627.IAA23440@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: external harddrives To: sk6k+@andrew.cmu.edu (Sang H Kim) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 08:27:53 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: from "Sang H Kim" at Nov 17, 94 01:25:57 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > btw, do I need a screen saver for my dual scan screen? No. No LCD screens, active or passive, require screen savers. Screen savers are only remotely helpful for CRT's where the phosphors could suffer burn-in. LCD's have no such problem. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sang Kim I want the world to know that I > sk6k@andrew.cmu.edu LOOOOOOOOVE Alexis Hayes, the babe from > University of Denver. (wow, what a knockout!) > > *** Alexis is my Celestial Pixie Princess :-P""" *** > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- What--this Alexis Hayes' in a Playboy "Girls of College" layout or something? ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Nov 18 13:21:22 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA04010 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:18:07 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11413; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:55:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:55:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11391; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:55:39 -0500 Message-Id: <199411171655.LAA11391@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-8.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07676; Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:52:26 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:52:26 -0600 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: EPP X-Mailer: >parallel, parallel_2 is EPP. Two questions: 1) Why does parallel_1 even >exist? Parallel_2 does EPP or regular, making parallel_1 a crippled >redundancy. b) What is parallel_3? Does this allow us to communicate with >alien life forms and mac users? :) Well, you only have one parallel port. But the different settings make it behave in different ways. Why we have a non-EPP port available and as default? Perhaps for backward compatibility reasons with some strange and esoteric bugs? I think aliens can do bidirectional EPP... --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Fri Nov 18 13:21:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14784 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:46:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16004; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:01:08 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:01:07 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cats.ucsc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA15994; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:01:05 -0500 From: Received: from buddy.ucsc.edu by cats.ucsc.edu with SMTP id KAA18502; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:00:59 -0800 Received: by buddy.ucsc.edu (8.6.9/4.7) id KAA09967; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:00:58 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:00:58 -0800 Message-Id: <199411171800.KAA09967@buddy.ucsc.edu> To: sk6k+@andrew.cmu.edu, TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: external harddrives I am happily using the New Media Bus Toaster SCSI card to support my external SCSI drive. Its cable is thin enough (just barely) to be used at the same time as an X-jack modem, and cable for both SCSI I and SCSI II are available. When everything is running, I don't notice much, if any, difference in speed between the external and the internal hard drives, but I am not an expert on such things. Bob Meister From ???@??? Fri Nov 18 13:21:27 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15111 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:46:54 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11459; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:56:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:56:39 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11449; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:56:38 -0500 Message-Id: <199411171656.LAA11449@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from colt-8.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07760; Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:53:24 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:53:24 -0600 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: EPP X-Mailer: >I've never given the matter much thought, but I did notice in the FAQ that my >750 has an EPP. I also noticed over the weekend the new Epson color scanner >which is an EPP-interface and comes with an EPP card. Does anyone know/guess Oooh! It should work. How much is it? --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Fri Nov 18 13:21:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27670 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:14:05 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12355; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:08:44 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:08:42 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12345; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:08:40 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28483; Thu, 17 Nov 94 09:09:19 PST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 09:09:19 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9411171709.AA28483@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: yesRe: external harddrives In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Randal Whittle ' dated: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 08:27:53 -0800 (PST) > > btw, do I need a screen saver for my dual scan screen? > > No. No LCD screens, active or passive, require screen savers. > Screen savers are only remotely helpful for CRT's where the phosphors could > suffer burn-in. LCD's have no such problem. Actually, what you want to do with an LCD panel is shut the display OFF. While the LCD itself won't burn, the panel is backlit by a very powerful and a very expensive light (electroluminescent?). This light has a definite lifespan. This question is answered in great detail in the comp.laptops newsgroup FAQ. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Fri Nov 18 13:21:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27945 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:14:38 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12754; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:11:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:11:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12723; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:11:32 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA28622; Thu, 17 Nov 94 09:12:06 PST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 09:12:06 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9411171712.AA28622@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: external harddrives In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Sang H Kim ' dated: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 01:25:57 -0500 (EST) Cc: sk6k@andrew.cmu.edu > I have a tp755cs and a pathetic 170 meg hd which is getting very crowded. > I'm looking for an external hard disk to go along with my 170mb hd > > I guess SCSI-2 is the best huh? > > well, should I go with a pcmcia scsi-2 > or through EPP? > I already have a ethernet card (pcmcia) and the scsi-2 card might not > fit in (due to cable) and also, would the external harddisk access speed > be faster through the pcmcia scsi-2 or the epp? Sang, If performance is your primary concern, SCSI-2 is _much_ faster than the EPP port. SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 run at 5 MByte/sec, Fast SCSI-2 (synchronous) runs at 10MByte/sec. EPP runs at 960 KByte/sec -- a factor of 10 slower. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Fri Nov 18 13:21:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07131 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 16:33:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02081; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:53:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:53:09 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02071; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 15:53:07 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05700; Thu, 17 Nov 94 12:53:41 PST Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 12:53:41 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9411172053.AA05700@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: EPP In-Reply-To: Mail from 'kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress)' dated: Tue, 15 Nov 1994 13:06:14 -0500 > I asked this before, but now that we have lots of people with tech manuals > on the list, somebody might have an answer. Parallel_1 is regular > parallel, parallel_2 is EPP. Two questions: 1) Why does parallel_1 even > exist? Parallel_2 does EPP or regular, making parallel_1 a crippled > redundancy. b) What is parallel_3? Does this allow us to communicate with > alien life forms and mac users? :) Victor, According to the Technical Reference, there is one EPP compatible "parallel controller port" which is programmable as parallel port 1, 2, or 3. These appear to be logical names, so I don't understand why port 1 or 3 would act differently than port 2. Robert From ???@??? Fri Nov 18 13:21:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08402 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:17:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14651; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:48:01 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:47:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po3.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14641; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:47:56 -0500 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po3.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id SAA25349 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:47:48 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:47:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs11.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:45:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs11.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:45:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.44.sun4c.411.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs11.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs11.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:45:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:45:54 -0500 (EST) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: scsi-2 card and warp I was wondering if Warp recognizes these PCMCIA SCSI-2 cards new media bus toaster scsi-2 and trantor slim scsi-2 also, which one is better and doesn't have bulky cables to conflict with my ethernet card? thanks in adnvace ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sang Kim I want the world to know that I sk6k@andrew.cmu.edu LOOOOOOOOVE Alexis Hayes, the babe from University of Denver. (wow, what a knockout!) * Alexis is my Beautiful Precious Celestial Pixie Princess * ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Nov 18 13:21:46 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26430 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:30:43 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA19008; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:07:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:06:57 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18998; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 20:06:55 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA15558; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:06:49 -0600 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 19:06:47 -0600 (CST) From: John Kim Subject: Re: scsi-2 card and warp To: Sang H Kim Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, Sang H Kim wrote: > I was wondering if Warp recognizes these PCMCIA SCSI-2 cards I'm *dying* to know if there's *any* PCMCIA SCSI (much less SCSI-2) card that has drivers for OS/2. From ???@??? Fri Nov 18 13:21:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13394 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:32:47 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22913; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:12:54 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:12:50 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA22902; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 21:12:49 -0500 Received: by netcom.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id SAA02505; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:13:01 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 18:13:01 -0800 (PST) From: Stephen Hosmer Subject: Re: scsi-2 card and warp To: Thinkpad List , John Kim In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I THINK THAT GOES FOR US ALL!!! On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, John Kim wrote: > > > On Thu, 17 Nov 1994, Sang H Kim wrote: > > > I was wondering if Warp recognizes these PCMCIA SCSI-2 cards > > I'm *dying* to know if there's *any* PCMCIA SCSI (much less SCSI-2) card > that has drivers for OS/2. > > From ???@??? Fri Nov 18 13:21:49 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA09159 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 06:41:35 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04457; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 06:50:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 06:50:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chorus.chorus.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04430; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 06:50:40 -0500 From: Received: from octave.chorus.fr by chorus.chorus.fr; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 09:24:54 +0100 Received: by octave.chorus.fr; Fri, 18 Nov 94 09:24:54 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 94 09:24:54 +0100 Message-Id: <9411180824.AA17656@octave.chorus.fr> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: a Hello, I saw the discussion about EPP since pas few days. It is available on 750 (and certainely on 755), but what about the 360 Serie ? -------------------------------------------------------------------- St'ephane ERANIAN | Email eranian@chorus.fr Universit'e PARIS VII | eranian@litp.ibp.fr LITP - Laboratoire d'Informatique | Th'eorique et Programmation | 2 place Jussieu | 75251 Paris cedex 05 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Fri Nov 18 13:21:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA21871 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:40:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19525; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:44:06 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:44:05 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19506; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:44:03 -0500 From: Received: from ccMail by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.03) id ecccede0; Fri, 18 Nov 94 09:57:18 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 08:44:35 -0600 Message-Id: Subject: Introduction... To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Content-Type: text/plain; name=Text_1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part I'm Mike Eddy and I work for Baxter Healthcare Corp. in Northern Illinois. I have a ThinkPad 755C with a 486DX4/75, 540MB HD and 20MB RAM. I use an IBM PCMCIA Token-Ring adapter and a USR WorldPort 144 PCMCIA modem. I run MS-DOS 6.2, QEMM 7.X and Windows 3.1 (waiting impatiently for Windows 95, which we should have the BETA II for next week). So many memory issues with DOS/Windows and PCMCIA. Well that's about it...I look forward to being part of this mailing list. ...Mike... From ???@??? Fri Nov 18 13:21:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA10244 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:20:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23328; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:23:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:23:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23316; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:23:34 -0500 From: Received: from ccMail by ccmailgw.mcgawpark.baxter.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.03) id eccd83d0; Fri, 18 Nov 94 10:37:17 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 10:15:38 -0600 Message-Id: Subject: Re[2]: Introduction... To: Carl Benker , tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Content-Type: text/plain; name=Text_Item Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Carl, I definitely have thought of using Warp, but my company is an entirely Microsoft shop (at least for now) and I have been advised to use Windows 95 when it's available. We do have an evaluation copy of Warp running on one of our other 750C's though and it looks great... Thanks. ...Mike... ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Introduction... Author: Carl Benker at INTERNET Date: 11/18/94 9:58 AM > I have a ThinkPad 755C with a 486DX4/75, 540MB HD and 20MB RAM. I use > an IBM PCMCIA Token-Ring adapter and a USR WorldPort 144 PCMCIA modem. > I run MS-DOS 6.2, QEMM 7.X and Windows 3.1 (waiting impatiently for > Windows 95, which we should have the BETA II for next week). > > So many memory issues with DOS/Windows and PCMCIA. Ever thought of using OS/2 Warp? Run all of your DOS and Windows programs and you don't need QEMM or anything else. Carl Carl Benker Commonwealth Edison Co. Go Badgers! (U. Wisconsin-Madison) System Planning Dept. Room #1239 Go Engineers! (Worcester Polytechnic P.O. Box 767 Institute .. WPI) Chicago, IL 60690-0767 email: benker@ceco.ceco.com From ???@??? Fri Nov 18 13:21:54 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27071 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:58:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23677; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:28:47 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:28:45 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from shadow.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23666; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:28:44 -0500 Received: (dwhite@localhost) by shadow.net (8.6.8.1/jc-1.0) id LAA15052; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:31:22 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 11:31:22 -0500 (EST) From: "Donald A. Whiteside" To: Thinkpad List Subject: (fwd) 2.5" to 3.5" IDE Adapters (fwd) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Someone expressed an interest in doing this some time ago. I've done business with this guy, he's very agreeable. I might mention that you _might_ be able to adapt this on your own. The connector on a 2.5 HD is just a few extra pins that incorporate the power onto the data plug. It uses 5v only. But if you're not of a mind to jerk around...... ----------Forwarded message ---------- Path: anshar.shadow.net!usenet.cis.ufl.edu!usenet.eel.ufl.edu!news-feed-1.peachnet.edu!gatech!howland.reston.ans.net!pipex!uunet!news.sprintlink.net!news.primenet.com!usenet From: larsenc@LCS.com (Craig Larsen) Newsgroups: biz.comp.hardware,misc.forsale,misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone,misc.forsale.computers.mac Subject: 2.5" to 3.5" IDE Adapters Date: Fri, 18 Nov 94 07:38:36 MST Organization: Larsen Consulting and Sales (602) 548-1542 Lines: 18 Message-ID: <3aie99$jgn@news.primenet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lcs.com Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Newsreader: WinVN 0.93.02 Xref: anshar.shadow.net biz.comp.hardware:8122 misc.forsale:166123 misc.forsale.computers.pc-clone:88533 misc.forsale.computers.mac:45174 I have approx. 150 circuit cards that perform the function of adapting an IDE 2.5" hard drive's data connector to a standard IDE cable. $25 each Qty 1 - 9 $23 each Qty 10 - 49 $20 eacg Qty 50 + Craig Larsen ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Larsen Consulting and Sales HD's, CD-ROM Drives, Modems, Software & More ! 1-800-297-8051 Orders Only Over 1500 Satisfied UseNet/FidoNet Customers 602-548-1542 Author of the Winsock Application FAQ Email or Talk: larsenc@LCS.com PGP Public Key Available upon request Check out our email infoserver by sending email to: info@LCS.com We also have Web Pages: http://www.LCS.com/ From ???@??? Sat Nov 19 01:52:00 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02108 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 01:33:00 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11233; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 23:44:41 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 23:44:39 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from europe.std.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA11222; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 23:44:37 -0500 Received: from world.std.com by europe.std.com (8.6.8.1/Spike-8-1.0) id XAA04021; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 23:43:06 -0500 Received: by world.std.com (5.65c/Spike-2.0) id AA13950; Fri, 18 Nov 1994 23:43:05 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 1994 23:43:05 -0500 From: eac@world.std.com (Eric A Cottrell) Message-Id: <199411190443.AA13950@world.std.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU, Carl Benker , Subject: Re: Re[2]: Introduction... Hi Carl, Just tell them that IBM copies ideas from Microsoft before Microsoft even thinks of them. Some of the features in Warp will be in Windows96. 73 Eric.. eac@world.std.com From ???@??? Sat Nov 19 02:59:30 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07956 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 02:40:56 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20446; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 02:58:22 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 02:58:20 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA20436; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 02:58:18 -0500 Received: by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (5.67b/4.03) id AA08305; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 07:58:39 GMT Received: from slip7-88.fl.us.ibm.net(129.37.7.88) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaOWkDM2; Sat Nov 19 07:58:13 1994 Received: by localhost (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.6)/1.0um) id AA0021; Fri, 18 Nov 94 18:24:51 -0800 Message-Id: <9411190224.AA0021@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 94 18:15:59 -0800 From: hosmer@ibm.net To: "Thinkpad List " Reply-To: hosmer@ibm.net Subject: Use of the list by TP3xx users X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Id: <19_55_1_785200562> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Description: I wand to start off by sayig that I don't want to start a round of flame, but; as I am sure is true for everyone, I am very busy and spend a lot of time sorting and sifting though this and other lists, groups, and such. I am concerned about the quantity of postings here about TP3xx issues. The welcome letter does specify that this list is for TP7xx machines. If this list is going to turn into a TPxxx list we sould acknowledge that and then I/we can evaluate our contined involvement as such, or limited to TP7xx issues. Again, I DO NOT want to offend but prompt our attention to this potential time saving option. //---------------------------------------------------------------------------- // hosmer@imb.net From ???@??? Sat Nov 19 12:34:09 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11204 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 09:23:03 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18495; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 09:23:31 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 09:23:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18484; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 09:23:28 -0500 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA08888; Sat, 19 Nov 94 09:24:11 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 94 09:24:11 -0500 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9411191424.AA08888@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: hosmer@ibm.net, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Use of the list by TP3xx users let's just ask that people please put tp3 somewhere in the subject if that is what they are talking about, then you can easily press the d key, or set your mailer to delete any messages with tp3 in the header. From ???@??? Sat Nov 19 12:34:10 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA12228 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 09:34:51 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20593; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 09:58:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 09:58:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA20582; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 09:58:49 -0500 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Sat, 19 Nov 94 15:58 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0r8rFM-0003hKC; Sat, 19 Nov 94 15:58 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 15:57:16 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: Re: Use of the list by TP3xx users X-Mailer: >I am concerned about the quantity of postings here about TP3xx issues. >The welcome letter does specify that this list is for TP7xx machines. My two cents' worth as a 750 owner: Architecturally, there are more similarities than differences between the 360 and the 75x lines, and I'd guess that a good three-quarters of the discussions here are relevant to both classes of machines. With the number of lingering technical issues surrounding these boxes, I'd be sorry to lose *any* potential worthy contributions. As for the odd non-relevant posting, I've never found hitting in my E-mailer to be a terribly painful process :-) Welcoming 360 users everywhere, Tim Vetter Frankfurt uwe@odb.rhein-main.de From ???@??? Mon Nov 21 01:28:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24623 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 13:27:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03583; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 13:50:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 13:50:12 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03568; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 13:50:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199411191850.NAA03568@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from ruger-95.slip.uiuc.edu by idunno.ncsa.uiuc.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28834; Sat, 19 Nov 94 12:46:55 -0600 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 94 12:46:55 -0600 X-Sender: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: ychou (Sean Chou) Subject: Re: Use of the list by TP3xx users X-Mailer: >If this list is going to turn into a TPxxx list we sould acknowledge that >and then I/we can evaluate our contined involvement as such, or limited to >TP7xx issues. I think that most of the members of this list had decided a while back that this list should include discussion of the 36x series since they have so many similarities with the 75x series. I'm even trying to change the format of the FAQ in anticipation of it. I think the welcome letter is merely a reflection of a need for revision since it was made before the 3xx series was equipped with the same sort of equipment as the tp75x series. So, I for one, welcome discussion TP36x series machines. And I imagine most of the list does too. --- Sean Chou / schou@uiuc.edu / CompuServe 73672,2111 From ???@??? Mon Nov 21 01:28:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA06681 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:24:44 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13139; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:26:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:26:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13129; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:26:24 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA17022; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 15:26:21 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:26:53 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <59214.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Use of the list by TP3xx users In message Sat, 19 Nov 94 12:46:55 -0600, ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) writes: > >> If this list is going to turn into a TPxxx list we sould acknowledge >> that and then I/we can evaluate our contined involvement as such, or >> limited to TP7xx issues. > > I think that most of the members of this list had decided a while > back that this list should include discussion of the 36x series > since they have so many similarities with the 75x series. I'm even > trying to change the format of the FAQ in anticipation of it. As far as I know, the only difference between the 355/360 and 750/755 are: FPU, different video BIOS (due to screen differences), audio support, available configurations at purchase time, and probably one or two other small details. Oh yeah, one starts with the number 3 and the other starts with the number 7. Everything else is the same. They even use the same system and utility disks. It'd be silly to exclude the 355 and 360. I *would* like to know if IBM was stupid enough to use different size connectors for the 360 hard drive, since last I checked the listed HD options were different than for the 755 series. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Mon Nov 21 01:28:34 1994 Received: from WILMA.CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24093 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 17:42:29 -0600 Received: from LOCALHOST by wilma.cs.utk.edu with SMTP (cf v2.9c-UTK) id SAA16553; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:40:05 -0500 Message-Id: <199411192340.SAA16553@wilma.cs.utk.edu> From: Keith Moore To: ychou@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu (Sean Chou) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu, moore@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Use of the list by TP3xx users In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 19 Nov 1994 12:46:55 CST." <199411191850.NAA03568@CS.UTK.EDU> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:39:59 -0500 Sender: moore@cs.utk.edu > I think the welcome letter is merely a reflection of a need for > revision since it was made before the 3xx series was equipped with > the same sort of equipment as the tp75x series. The welcome letter currently reads as follows, and has since at least August 12. (I think the following paragraph is actually a bit older) ] This list is for general discussion among ThinkPad 75X owners and users, ] including the various TP750, TP755, and TP360 models. These models are ] internally very different from the 350, 500, and 720 series machines, and ] much of the stuff discussed here won't apply to the latter group of ] machines. Note that the 360 model is explicitly included. Suggestions for edits to the above paragraph are welcome; please just send them to me unless you really think the list needs to argue about it. As for the problem of off-topic posts: this list has one of the highest S/N ratios of any I've seen. Keith Moore From ???@??? Mon Nov 21 01:28:38 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27543 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 20:49:57 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28612; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 21:10:14 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 21:10:12 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28600; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 21:10:10 -0500 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23089; Sat, 19 Nov 94 18:10:50 PST Date: Sat, 19 Nov 94 18:10:50 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9411200210.AA23089@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 355/360/755 Hard Disk Connector In-Reply-To: Mail from '"John H. Kim" ' dated: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 16:26:53 -0500 (EST) > I *would* like to know if IBM was stupid enough to use different size > connectors for the 360 hard drive, since last I checked the listed HD > options were different than for the 755 series. John, As I replied before, the technical reference manual says that the 355, 360 and 755 all use the same 60 pin D-connector. From ???@??? Mon Nov 21 01:28:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28385 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 20:54:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28916; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 21:11:36 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 21:11:34 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28906; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 21:11:33 -0500 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23106; Sat, 19 Nov 94 18:12:13 PST Date: Sat, 19 Nov 94 18:12:13 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9411200212.AA23106@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: 355/360/755 Hard Disk Connector > I *would* like to know if IBM was stupid enough to use different size > connectors for the 360 hard drive, since last I checked the listed HD > options were different than for the 755 series. John, As I replied before, the technical reference manual says that the 355, 360 and 755 all use the same 60 pin D-connector. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Mon Nov 21 01:28:40 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA00065 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sat, 19 Nov 1994 21:04:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29228; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 21:17:23 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 21:17:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA29218; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 21:17:20 -0500 Received: from atlas.cs.nps.navy.mil by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA23205; Sat, 19 Nov 94 18:18:00 PST Date: Sat, 19 Nov 94 18:18:00 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9411200218.AA23205@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Use of the list by TP3xx users In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Keith Moore ' dated: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 18:39:59 -0500 > > I think the welcome letter is merely a reflection of a need for > > revision since it was made before the 3xx series was equipped with > > the same sort of equipment as the tp75x series. > > The welcome letter currently reads as follows, and has since at least > August 12. (I think the following paragraph is actually a bit older) > > ] This list is for general discussion among ThinkPad 75X owners and users, > ] including the various TP750, TP755, and TP360 models. These models are > ] internally very different from the 350, 500, and 720 series machines, and > ] much of the stuff discussed here won't apply to the latter group of > ] machines. > > Note that the 360 model is explicitly included. I've just glanced through the past two months of postings. I've found very few technical issues that apply to the 75x's that _don't_ apply to the 36x's, and vice versa. BTW, the IBM technical reference manual for the 755 is titled "ThinkPad 355/360/755 Technical Reference" | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? Mon Nov 21 01:28:42 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27133 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 00:07:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10892; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 00:18:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 00:18:22 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA10882; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 00:18:20 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id VAA25480; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 21:18:13 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id VAA01325; Sat, 19 Nov 1994 21:18:10 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199411200518.VAA01325@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: (fwd) 2.5" to 3.5" IDE Adapters (fwd) To: dwhite@shadow.net (Donald A. Whiteside) Date: Sat, 19 Nov 1994 21:18:09 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP), larsenc@LCS.com In-Reply-To: from "Donald A. Whiteside" at Nov 18, 94 11:31:22 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Someone expressed an interest in doing this some time ago. I've done > business with this guy, he's very agreeable. > ----------Forwarded message ---------- > I have approx. 150 circuit cards that perform the function of adapting an > IDE 2.5" hard drive's data connector to a standard IDE cable. > > $25 each Qty 1 - 9 > $23 each Qty 10 - 49 > $20 eacg Qty 50 + > > > Craig Larsen > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Larsen Consulting and Sales HD's, CD-ROM Drives, Modems, Software & More ! > 1-800-297-8051 Orders Only Over 1500 Satisfied UseNet/FidoNet Customers > 602-548-1542 Author of the Winsock Application FAQ > Email or Talk: larsenc@LCS.com PGP Public Key Available upon requ HA HA HA HA!!! The world is smaller than I had realized! I too have done business with Mr. Larsen and would add my voice to say that he is indeed very agreeable. He definitely understands the concept of customer service and I would highly recommend him to anyone. He very handily got me some SyQuest removable cartridges at some fairly good prices. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Mon Nov 21 01:29:21 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA08694 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 05:17:13 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10441; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 05:41:59 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 05:41:58 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from iaehv.iaehv.nl by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10431; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 05:41:57 -0500 Received: from localhost by iaehv.iaehv.nl (8.6.8/1.63) id LAA14845; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 11:41:51 +0100 Message-Id: <199411201041.LAA14845@iaehv.iaehv.nl> X-Disclaimer: iaehv.nl is a public access UNIX system and cannot be held responsible for the opinions of its individual users. X-Sender: robr@iaehv.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 11:41:04 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: robr@iaehv.nl (Rob Ruggenberg) Subject: Re: Use of the list by TP3xx users >>If this list is going to turn into a TPxxx list we sould acknowledge that >>and then I/we can evaluate our contined involvement as such, or limited to >>TP7xx issues. ] This list is for general discussion among ThinkPad 75X owners and users, ] including the various TP750, TP755, and TP360 models. These models are ] internally very different from the 350, 500, and 720 series machines, and ] much of the stuff discussed here won't apply to the latter group of ] machines. Until now little is heard from the 700- and 720-owners. Are they still allowed to get this mail, or is this mailinglist going to be exclusive for non-PS2 Thinkpad-owners? _______________________ Rob Ruggenberg The Netherlands E-mail: robr@iaehv.nl 'Half the work that is done in this world is to make things appear what they are not.' (Elias Root Beadle) ____________________________________________________________________________ _________ From ???@??? Mon Nov 21 01:29:24 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13329 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 06:59:37 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17898; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:19:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:19:29 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from redgate.glas.apc.org by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA17888; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 07:19:20 -0500 Received: from glas.apc.org by redgate.glas.apc.org with esmtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0r9BET-000GpxN; Sun, 20 Nov 94 15:19 +0300 Received: by glas.apc.org (Smail3.1.28.1 #12) id m0r9BEr-0006xeN; Sun, 20 Nov 94 15:19 +0300 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 20 Nov 94 15:19 +0300 From: dkachalov@glas.apc.org (Dmitry Kachalov) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: PAL/SECAM/NTSC TV tuner for ThinkPad 755C ??? Hi, happy ThinkPad owners! I wonder if someone know about multi-system TV tuner for ThinkPad 755C? We've ordered one but it's only NTSC so absolutely USELESS in Russia. But idea is great... SY, Dmitry Kachalov from Moscow Russia From ???@??? Mon Nov 21 01:29:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22528 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:01:24 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28983; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:17:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:17:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28973; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:17:32 -0500 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA08488 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:17:25 -0500 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29480; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 04:18:25 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 04:18:24 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: An idea of things to come Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII A press release I found on new IBM Hard drive technology. Looks like their next subnotebook model after the 510 will have a 720MB hard drive as an option. --------------- IBM ANNOUNCES PACE-SETTING DISK DRIVES FOR OEM PCS, WORKSTATIONS, SERVERS October 11, 1994 SAN JOSE, Calif., October 11 . . . IBM Corporation today introduced new families of 2.5- and 3.5-inch disk drives that deliver unparalleled data storage capacity, reliability and performance across a broad spectrum of systems. These important additions to IBM's disk drive portfolio for Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs) include: - the Travelstar LP family, which offers the highest-capacity, highest-performance, most-robust 2.5-inch low-profile drive in production anywhere. This is a slim-line, 1/2-inch (12.5 millimeters) high, 720 megabyte (MB) drive for notebook and sub-notebook computers, with an 11.1 megabyte per second (MB/sec) data transfer rate and the ability to tolerate non-operational shock loads up to 500G (500 times the force of gravity); - the Deskstar XP family, a selection of 1-inch high, 3.5-inch drives -- including a 1.08 gigabyte (GB) model with just two platters -- that, for the first time, gives users of high-end desktop systems and entry-level servers and workstations the speed and transfer rates of high-end workstation drives and network servers -- at affordable prices; - the Ultrastar2, a high-speed drive with a 10.8GB capacity -- the highest capacity yet announced for a 3.5-inch drive -- and the Ultrastar2 XP, an 8.7GB high-performance drive. The 10.8GB and 8.7GB drives come in a package only 1.6 inches (41.3 mm) high and are targeted for the high-end server marketplace. "Manufacturers of notebook and desktop computers, workstations, network servers and high-end systems are increasingly turning to storage as a means of differentiating their product offerings," said Ed Zschau, general manager, IBM Storage Systems Division. "With the products announced today, OEM customers will be able to specify 2.5-inch and 3.5-inch drives with IBM's most advanced technology to achieve the capacity, reliability and price/performance they need to stay competitive in the dynamic and rapidly changing computer market." As another sign of IBM's long-term commitment to compete aggressively in the hard disk drive marketplace, IBM products will now utilize "family" names to help OEM and distribution customers better recognize and understand the various attributes associated with the disk drives. The Travelstar family is IBM's series of 2.5-inch disk drives used mainly for mobile computing; the Deskstar name refers to IBM's 3.5-inch offerings aimed at desktop computer and entry-level server platforms, while the Ultrastar family -- a group of drives with capacities of one gigabyte and above -- is aimed at high-end desktop and workstation users. The Ultrastar XP series includes IBM's highest performance drives for high-end computing requirements. The Travelstar and Ultrastar families include drives that are already being marketed under other designations, as well as the new drives announced today. "The family names for our new disk drive products speak to the positions we expect them to achieve as we continue our aggressive push into the OEM marketplace," said Fred Wiele, vice president, worldwide sales and marketing for storage products. "We've demonstrated leadership in bringing to market a complete line up of disk drives with IBM's proven magneto-resistive head technology, and we think that will cause customers to recognize our drives as true 'stars' in the industry." The new IBM disk drives announced today are aimed directly at the marketplace for manufacturers of 486-, Pentium- and PowerPC-based mobile and desktop computers. Makers of workstations and network servers, and manufacturers of storage subsystems are also expected to find these drives attractive for use in their products. All drives announced today use the industry's most advanced data storage technologies, including IBM's No-ID sector formatting and advanced magneto-resistive (MR) head technology, which is key to achieving very high densities of data storage. All are designed for pace-setting levels of quality and reliability. Travelstar LP HIGHEST-CAPACITY, HIGHEST-PERFORMANCE, MOST-ROBUST 2.5-INCH DRIVES, MODELS DBOA-2360, DBOA-2540 AND DBOA-2720 Members of IBM's new Travelstar LP family of 2.5-inch disk drives store up to 720MB of data in a two-disk package only 12.5mm (1/2-inch) high -- a capacity 300MB greater than any other 12.5mm-high, 2.5-inch drive in the marketplace. The Travelstar LP drives use IBM's space-saving No-ID sector formatting and advanced magneto-resistive (MR) head technology to store data at an industry-leading areal density of 644 million bits per square inch. This provides the drives with storage capacities of 360MB per disk -- 70 percent more capacity than the 210MB per-disk capacity of a 2.5-inch drive recently announced by a competitor. As a result of today's announcement, users of notebook and sub-notebook computers now have the data storage capacity and performance they need to run the newest, most powerful desktop operating systems and storage-intensive application programs. The new Travelstar LP drives, with capacities of 360MB, 540MB and 720MB, operate at data transfer rates as high as 11.1 MB/sec, making them the fastest 2.5-inch drives in the marketplace. They are equipped with an AT interface. An important attribute of these drives is their ability to tolerate non-operational shock loads as high as 500G without degradation of product specifications. This is 200G higher than the load tolerated by any other announced 2.5-inch drive and is intended to ensure data integrity while the system is in transit. In addition, the drives incorporate shock sensors that cause data writing to be interrupted so that data on the disk will not be damaged as a result of operational shocks as high as 100G. Also adding to their outstanding suitability for use in mobile computing is the fact that the drives weigh only 140 grams. The drives offer exceptional power management features and are specified at 300,000 hours mean time between failures. For ease of integration, they are built to the mounting standards of the Manufacturers Compatibility Committee (MCC). The Travelstar LP family of 2.5-inch drives is available now in volume to OEM customers. Model DBOA-2360 is priced at $395, Model DBOA-2540, at $595, and Model DBOA-2720, at $695. Deskstar XP AFFORDABLE 3.5-INCH LOW-PROFILE DRIVES BRING WORKSTATION PERFORMANCE TO DESKTOP SYSTEMS: MODELS DPEA-30540, DPEA-31080, DPES-30540 AND DPES-31080 With their popular capacities and competitive prices, members of IBM's new Deskstar XP family of low-profile 3.5-inch disk drives bring to high-end desktop computer and entry-level workstation and server users the performance normally specified for drives used in more powerful workstations and network servers. Deskstar XP drives provide a single-disk capacity of 540MB and a two-disk capacity of 1.08GB. They operate at 5400 RPM and support bus data transfer rates as high as 11.1MB/sec across an AT interface and up to 10MB/sec with a SCSI-2 interface. More importantly, with their high linear recording density, these drives deliver sustained data rates of 3.2 to 4.0MB/sec. The Deskstar XP drives reach new levels of performance in providing cost-effective, high-speed data storage across a wide range of systems, and can easily meet the data storage demands of entry-level technical and engineering workstations, desktop publishing, From ???@??? Mon Nov 21 01:29:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22528 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:01:24 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28983; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:17:38 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:17:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28973; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:17:32 -0500 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA08488 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:17:25 -0500 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA29480; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 04:18:25 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 04:18:24 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: An idea of things to come Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII word-processing and graphics applications, spreadsheets and single-user data bases. Deskstar XP drives operate with industry-leading power dissipation as low as 3.3 watts (for 1.08GB models in "idle" mode), and are specified at 500,000 hours mean time between failures. The drives are immediately available in volume to OEM customers. Models DPEA-30540 and DPES-30540, with AT and SCSI interfaces, respectively, are priced at $495, and Models DPEA-31080 and DPES-31080, with AT and SCSI interfaces, respectively, are priced at $695. Ultrastar2 and Ultrastar2 XP HIGHEST-CAPACITY, HIGHEST-PERFORMANCE 3.5-INCH DRIVES, MODELS DCMS-310800, DCHS-38700 and DCHC-38700 IBM's new Ultrastar2 and Ultrastar2 XP high-end 3.5-inch drives are intended to be direct replacements for larger, high-capacity 5.25-inch drives across a wide range of applications. They are designed to meet the data storage needs of network users, large-scale imaging and graphics applications, and designers of multi-disk RAID storage subsystems. Ultrastar2 will offer 10.8GB and Ultrastar2 XP, 8.7GB in a 3.5-inch package only 1.6 inches (41.3mm) high. The high capacities and low-profile packaging of these drives are made possible by IBM's No-ID sector formatting and advanced, third-generation magneto-resistive head technology. The 10.8GB drive is designed to operate at 5400 RPM and to support a media data transfer rate of up to 14.2MB/sec. It will be equipped with a Fast and Wide SCSI interface. The 8.7GB drive will operate at 7200 RPM and support a maximum media data transfer rate of 14.2MB/sec. The drive combines high capacity with the very high performance needed for high-end storage subsystems and specialized applications such as full-motion video. It will be offered with a number of interfaces, including SCSI Fast, SCSI Fast and Wide, SCA 80-pin connectors and Serial Storage Architecture (SSA). To provide high effective data transfer rates in all applications, both drives will use sector servos rather than dedicated servo surfaces. This eliminates the need for the thermal calibration routines that can interrupt the flow of data, thereby making these drives ideal for applications requiring continuous data streams. Evaluation units of the 10.8GB and 8.7GB drives are planned for availability to OEM customers during the 3rd quarter of 1995. Pricing will be announced prior to availability. IBM is a world-wide developer, manufacturer and marketer of a broad range of storage products for OEM computer makers, for use in IBM computing systems, and for sale in commercial distribution channels. IBM storage products are available from a wide range of commercial resellers and from IBM, under the Options by IBM* brand name. *IBM, No-ID, Options by IBM and PowerPC are registered trademarks and Travelstar, Deskstar and Ultrastar are trademarks of IBM Corporation. Pentium and 486 are trademarks or registered trademarks of Intel Corporation. Editors/Reporters: Information on how IBM calculates mean time between failures (MTBF) is available upon request. Fact Sheet IBM ADVANCED TECHNOLOGIES PAVE WAY TO HIGH CAPACITY, PERFORMANCE AND RELIABILITY FOR HARD DISK DRIVES The high levels of performance, capacity and quality brought to the OEM marketplace by the three new disk drive families announced today result from the application of the industry's most advanced recording and manufacturing technologies. These include third-generation magneto resistive (MR) head technology, third-generation PRML digital read channels, and IBM's No-ID sector formatting. MAGNETO-RESISTIVE HEAD TECHNOLOGY MR heads permit data stored at very high areal densities (the amount of data stored per square inch of disk surface) to be read accurately. This increases overall disk drive capacity and throughput, while reducing the number of heads and disks required for a given capacity. MR heads comprise separate read and write elements. The write element is essentially identical to that of a standard read/write inductive head. The read element is an alloy film that changes resistance in the presence of the flux reversals that represent data -- the MR effect. IBM developed MR head technology and has been shipping it in disk drives since 1991. MR heads are now used in all of IBM's current disk drive families. PARTIAL RESPONSE/MAXIMUM LIKELIHOOD CHANNEL TECHNOLOGY PRML (Partial Response/Maximum Likelihood) read channels are a major advance over the conventional peak-detection channels now used in most disk drives, and are expected to become widely used throughout the industry during this decade as peak-detection technology reaches its practical limits. PRML channels take samples of the waveforms that represent data as they come off the disk, and use this information, rather than the waveforms themselves, to construct the data stream. The result is a dramatic increase in the ability of a drive to resolve correctly the read pulses representing data stored at very high linear densities, adding to improved drive performance. PRML channels have been included in high-end disk drives from IBM since 1990 and are offered in the newly announced 10.8GB and 8.7GB disk drives. SERIAL STORAGE ARCHITECTURE INTERFACE Serial Storage Architecture (SSA) is a powerful high-speed serial interface that permits transfer rates as high as 80 MB/sec in full duplex serial loops, and supports storage configurations that are currently not practical with other interfaces, including the use of fiber optics. The Ultrastar2 XP drive, operating at 7200 RPM, can be equipped with SSA interfaces. PREDICTIVE FAILURE ANALYSIS PFA periodically performs a number of internal drive tests and monitors key drive parameters such as noise levels and flying heights. It can detect when a particular drive parameter has been exceeded and can notify the user early enough to prevent data integrity from being affected. PFA was first introduced in IBM high-end drives in 1993 and is included in the design of the new Ultrastar2 and Ultrastar2 XP disk drives. NO-ID SECTOR FORMATTING IBM's proprietary No-ID sector formatting decreases disk drive overhead and increases storage capacity by removing the ID, or header, fields preceding each data sector from the disk surface and storing the information in these fields in a solid-state memory. Header information can consume up to 15 percent of the total available disk space. Moving it from the disk surface to memory frees up this overhead space for increased data storage. The use of No-ID sector formatting in IBM's mobile disk drives was announced in May 1994 and is included in the new Travelstar LP, Deskstar XP, Ultrastar2 and Ultrastar2 XP disk drives announced today. Please Note: Questions about the content or currency of this press release should be directed to your local IBM representative. From ???@??? Mon Nov 21 01:29:39 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22535 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:01:26 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28971; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:17:26 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:17:24 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from alsys1.aecom.yu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA28961; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:17:21 -0500 Received: from yu1.yu.edu by alsys1.aecom.yu.edu with SMTP id AA08475 (5.67b/IDA-1.5/AECOM-RIT for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:17:17 -0500 Received: by yu1.yu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA33853; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 04:20:20 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 04:20:19 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Hosseinoff To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: New Overnight Easyserv option Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Another press release of interest to this list. ------------------ IBM ANNOUNCES THINKPAD EASYSERV OVERNIGHT REPAIR OPTION November 8, 1994 WHITE PLAINS, N.Y., Nov. 8 . . . IBM today announced a first-of-its-kind overnight "quick response" repair service for its mobile PCs. This new nationwide service option for IBM mobile products targets the wide range of business and professional travelers who rely upon IBM mobile computers as an essential work tool. The service, known as ThinkPad* EasyServ overnight repair option, will allow owners to ship their IBM mobile products via FedEx from most locations in the continental U.S. and have the repaired unit returned the next business day to the same location or a different city. For example, a business traveler can ship her mobile PC from New York on Monday and receive the repaired unit in Los Angeles on Tuesday. There will be a charge of $99 (by credit card only) for ThinkPad EasyServ next-day repair. This new service, available in January 1995, marks a major enhancement of ThinkPad EasyServ, which already provides convenient pickup-and-return repair service. Standard ThinkPad EasyServ, with an average turnaround of two business days, currently is offered at no charge to customers with IBM mobile products that are under warranty or IBM maintenance agreements. To provide this overnight repair service, IBM will use the capabilities of Technology Service Solutions (TSS), an IBM-Kodak joint venture established in 1993 to provide competitively priced, single-source service to the multivendor desktop, LAN and client/server environment. TSS has created an overnight national service depot in Memphis and is working with FedEx Logistics Services, a division of Federal Express Corporation, to expedite the entire repair and shipment process. Owners of IBM mobile products now have the assurance of knowing that ThinkPad EasyServ is available on an overnight basis, even if they're traveling across the country. Working with Technology Service Solutions, IBM can now deliver not just the industry's fastest repair service, but also the most user-friendly. "This unique repair service spells peace of mind for mobile product owners," said Richard J. Hernandez, chief executive officer of Technology Service Solutions, based in Valley Forge, Pa. "Our combination of overnight turnaround and truly personalized mobile service makes this the perfect solution for the growing number of corporate and individual owners who need full availability from their mobile systems." This premium repair service is also available to international customers covered by an International Enhanced Maintenance Service Contract while traveling in the U.S. * Indicates trademark or registered trademark of International Business Machines Corporation Please Note: Questions about the content or currency of this press release should be directed to your local IBM representative. From ???@??? Mon Nov 21 01:29:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA25361 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:26:54 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01171; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:46:11 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:46:11 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01160; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:46:09 -0500 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA19816; Sun, 20 Nov 94 10:46:51 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 94 10:46:51 -0500 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9411201546.AA19816@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: New Overnight Easyserv option I missed the cost of this service also, can one assume that you can send in the machine WITHOUT the hard disk, keeping the disk safely in one's own pocket? From ???@??? Mon Nov 21 01:29:45 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27577 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 10:46:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02681; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 11:08:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 11:08:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chenas.inria.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA02648; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 11:07:57 -0500 Received: from asimov.cnam.fr by chenas.inria.fr (5.65c8d/92.02.29) via Fnet-EUnet id AA27356; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 17:07:47 +0100 (MET) Received: by asimov.cnam.fr id RAA09667 (8.6.9/); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 17:07:47 +0100 From: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 17:07:47 +0100 Message-Id: <199411201607.RAA09667@asimov.cnam.fr> To: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu, hosseino@yu1.yu.edu, tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: New Overnight Easyserv option Well, perhaps IBM will learn about europe one day . My 720C has been in and out of repair 3 times in the year and 3 months since I got it, with min 1 week, and once 3 weeks wait, as they don't stock parts here and don't really care. I've junked it, too unreliable for real use - it overheats and they are incapable of locating the intermittent fault. So when it puts up a diagnostic scree it goes back , then they say we cannot find anything etc. The screen has also been replaced once for lack of brightness, and is now starting to flicker so will probably be replaced again, if I bother. I am not going to buy another IBM machine, not because the people are nasty, but because their service structure in europe is not able to deal with the reality of people who pay 6K$ for a notebook needing 2 or 3 day service. Edmund. From ???@??? Mon Nov 21 01:29:47 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA18997 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 12:59:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09134; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 13:04:32 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 13:04:30 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from iaehv.iaehv.nl by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09124; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 13:04:28 -0500 Received: from localhost by iaehv.iaehv.nl (8.6.8/1.63) id TAA11032; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 19:04:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199411201804.TAA11032@iaehv.iaehv.nl> X-Disclaimer: iaehv.nl is a public access UNIX system and cannot be held responsible for the opinions of its individual users. X-Sender: robr@iaehv.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 19:03:32 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: robr@iaehv.nl (Rob Ruggenberg) Subject: Re: New Overnight Easyserv option Eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) wrote: >Well, perhaps IBM will learn about europe one day . My 720C has been in >and out of repair 3 times in the year and 3 months since I got it, with >min 1 week, and once 3 weeks wait, as they don't stock parts here and >don't really care. I've junked it, too unreliable for real use - it I completely agree. My 720C was f..cked up three times. The first time IBM kept the machine for a month, and when I got it back you could hear all kind of parts loose in the machine. I do not dare to shake it anymore, afraid it falls apart. - Rob _______________________ Rob Ruggenberg The Netherlands E-mail: robr@iaehv.nl 'Half the work that is done in this world is to make things appear what they are not.' (Elias Root Beadle) ____________________________________________________________________________ From ???@??? Mon Nov 21 01:29:48 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27406 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 15:27:02 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18891; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 15:33:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 15:33:47 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chaph.usc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18881; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 15:33:45 -0500 Received: from aludra.usc.edu (whittle@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.253.134]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.4) with ESMTP id MAA24904; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 12:33:42 -0800 Received: (whittle@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.6.8.1/8.6.7+ucs) id MAA17259; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 12:33:36 -0800 From: Randal Whittle Message-Id: <199411202033.MAA17259@aludra.usc.edu> Subject: Re: New Overnight Easyserv option To: eronald@cnam.fr (Edmund Ronald) Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 12:33:35 -0800 (PST) Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU (TP) In-Reply-To: <199411201607.RAA09667@asimov.cnam.fr> from "Edmund Ronald" at Nov 20, 94 05:07:47 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Well, perhaps IBM will learn about europe one day . My 720C has been in > and out of repair 3 times in the year and 3 months since I got it, with > min 1 week, and once 3 weeks wait, as they don't stock parts here and > I am not going to buy another IBM machine, not because the people are nasty, > but because their service structure in europe is not able to deal with the > reality of people who pay 6K$ for a notebook needing 2 or 3 day service. So is there a good notebook computer mfgr. with facilities in Europe that *can* help you? If there is, I applaud your decision to choose a company with good service. If not, then you are cutting off your nose to spite your face. Alas, I too have been angry with IBM on *many* occasions. Fortunately, with the exception of inflated battery life claims, my ThinkPad 750C has never been the reason. ----- ________________________________ Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu | Some guy hit my fender the | USC School of Business (Fight on, 'SC Trojans!)|other day, and I said unto him| (My opinions are mine, but since I'm | "Be fruitful and multiply." | right, they should be yours too.) | --but not in those words. | -------------------------------- From ???@??? Mon Nov 21 01:29:52 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03627 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 20 Nov 1994 23:03:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18399; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 23:11:15 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 23:11:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gwis2.circ.gwu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA18389; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 23:11:12 -0500 Received: (from halinatr@localhost) by gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id XAA16010; Sun, 20 Nov 1994 23:10:38 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 1994 23:10:37 -0500 (EST) From: "Darren P. McCabe" Subject: Upgrading my 750 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm in the process of upgrading my TP750, 170MB HD, 20 MB RAM. I really need more storage, and am planning to switch to OS/2 Warp. Therefore, 2 questions: 1. Cheapest way to upgrade to 340MB or above HD (Including used) 2. Best way to go OS/2 when most of my software is WIN. 3. Thoughts on native OS/2 software (PIMS, Database, WP, Spreadsheets Etc.) Any input would be helpful! Thanks! Hal McCabe From ???@??? Wed Nov 23 11:07:58 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02127 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 08:12:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22996; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 07:51:19 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 07:51:18 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from gnat.cs.nyu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA22986; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 07:51:16 -0500 Received: by gnat.cs.nyu.edu (5.61/1.34) id AA11450; Tue, 22 Nov 94 07:52:00 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 94 07:52:00 -0500 From: dewar@gnat.cs.nyu.edu (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9411221252.AA11450@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> To: TP750@cs.utk.edu, patrick.whittick@fonix.org Subject: Re: New Overnight Easyserv o one problem with this kind of internet interaction is that it can give a false impression of service in general. One "drunk pissed-off" [his words! ???] annoyed customer can generate an impression of general bad service which may not be justified. Generally people who *have* had good service will not write to say so. Also, the issue of reliability is more *not* needing service (I have owned a 700C, 720C, 750C and 755C, shortly to be replaced by a 755CD), and none of my machines have ever needed servicing. So I would advise people not to rush to judgment on this issue, in the absence of some meaningful statistics or a reasonably comprehensive survey. From ???@??? Wed Nov 23 11:07:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA03634 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 08:18:12 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16570; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 05:46:02 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 05:46:01 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@cs.utk.edu Received: from mailgate.exnet.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA16552; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 05:45:46 -0500 Received: from exnet.com (assam.exnet.com) by mailgate.exnet.com with SMTP id AA20630 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:45:32 GMT Received: from fonix.UUCP by exnet.com with UUCP id AA13021 (5.65c8/IDA-1.4.4 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:45:28 GMT To: TP750@cs.utk.edu Subject: New Overnight Easyserv o From: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) Message-Id: <3694.150.uupcb@fonix.org> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 94 16:00:00 -0100 Organization: FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, UK ~ +44 (344) 306986/7/8/9 Reply-To: patrick.whittick@fonix.org (Patrick Whittick) RR>>Well, perhaps IBM will learn about europe one day . My 720C has been RR>in >and out of repair 3 times in the year and 3 months since I got RR>it, with >min 1 week, and once 3 weeks wait, as they don't stock RR>parts here and >don't really care. I've junked it, too unreliable for RR>real use - it RR>I completely agree. My 720C was f..cked up three times. The first RR>time IBM kept the machine for a month, and when I got it back you RR>could hear all kind of parts loose in the machine. I do not dare to RR>shake it anymore, afraid it falls apart. I guess I should count my blessings: I may have had problems with my ThinkPads, but IBM in Britain have been *very* good at quickly resolving _all_ problems we've had. I've often had IBM engineers here within four hours, and they can usually get any required parts overnight from the Greenock plant. Regards patrick.whittick@fonix.org - Patrick Whittick in Daventry, England --- . CMPQwk 1.42-16 9237 . Lighten up and laugh at yourself. Everyone else is! ---- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | FONiX Info Systems ~ Binfield, Berkshire UK ~ +44 (0)344 306986 12 lines! | | 9 Gig - RsaNET - ILink - RIME (->FONIX) - FidoNET (2:252/171) | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From ???@??? Wed Nov 23 11:08:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA26605 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 11:55:03 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05094; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:37:17 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:37:14 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05064; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:37:01 -0500 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Tue, 22 Nov 94 16:36 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0r9xGc-0003iEC; Tue, 22 Nov 94 16:36 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:34:36 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: Service experiences X-Mailer: Robert Dewar wrote: >one problem with this kind of internet interaction is that it can give >a false impression of service in general. One "drunk pissed-off" >[his words! ???] annoyed customer can generate an impression of general >bad service which may not be justified. Generally people who *have* had >good service will not write to say so. OK then, for the record, my experiences with the IBM service organization in Frankfurt Germany have been *first rate*. Friendly, professional, fast, thorough. A small bonus, after two visits to the repair shop the receptionist even knows me by name and flirts shamelessly ;-) I suspect that one's experiences with a particular service outfit have little to do with corporate policy (or lack thereof) and more to do with the quality of the *individuals* on the scene. Generalizing to a whole regional organization (IBM Europe!) based on one shop's competence or lack thereof is wildly misguided. Furthermore: Like all relationships, what you get out has a lot to do with what you put in. In my experience, treating the working stiffs with courtesy, respect and good humour goes a long way towards earning top-notch customer service. All else being equal, blustering in pissed-off and red-faced seeking blood and justice is probably gonna get your work order to the bottom of the pile in a big hurry. I guess in a utopian world of detached corporate "professionalism" this wouldn't matter, but we are after all dealing here with human beings in all their glorious imperfection. [soap_box_mode OFF] Tim Vetter Frankfurt uwe@odb.rhein-main.de |------------------------------------| | Have you hugged your techs today?" | |------------------------------------| From ???@??? Wed Nov 23 11:08:04 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16248 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 12:38:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07623; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 11:06:53 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 11:06:51 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom8.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07605; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 11:06:42 -0500 Received: by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id IAA26628; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 08:05:56 -0800 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 08:05:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: New Overnight Easyserv o To: Robert Dewar Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU, patrick.whittick@fonix.org In-Reply-To: <9411221252.AA11450@gnat.cs.nyu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII But it can be an issue of service. I paid for a three year on site agreement when I got my thinkpad. I am glad I did as so far I have had the following serviced since March this year. Two keyboards ( trackpoint failure) One screen. It died on a flight to Philadelphia. ( repaired in my hotel room One Motherboard. I must have got a Lemon but by now I have a completely new machine ;-) :-) The point is I NEVER waited more than 24 hours for service. If you have not done it already I would call and get the On-site warranty ( US al least ) It covers on-site service ANYWHERE in the US. cost was $180 I think on my 750C. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM On Tue, 22 Nov 1994, Robert Dewar wrote: > one problem with this kind of internet interaction is that it can give > a false impression of service in general. One "drunk pissed-off" > [his words! ???] annoyed customer can generate an impression of general > bad service which may not be justified. Generally people who *have* had > good service will not write to say so. Also, the issue of reliability > is more *not* needing service (I have owned a 700C, 720C, 750C and > 755C, shortly to be replaced by a 755CD), and none of my machines have > ever needed servicing. > > So I would advise people not to rush to judgment on this issue, in the > absence of some meaningful statistics or a reasonably comprehensive > survey. > From ???@??? Wed Nov 23 11:08:06 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01930 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 22 Nov 1994 13:14:34 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05725; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:44:15 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:44:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from nic.hookup.net by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA05715; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:44:09 -0500 From: Received: from (jjames.hookup.net [198.133.162.54]) by nic.hookup.net (8.6.9/1.284) with SMTP id KAA11997; Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:35:24 -0500 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:35:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199411221535.KAA11997@nic.hookup.net> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Warp on 755C X-Mailer: AIR Mail 3.X (SPRY, Inc.) Well I've put Warp on my 755C and have a couple of quesitons. Anyone know of OS/2 Drivers for the Xircom PS2 Ethernet PCMCIA card or the BusToaster SCSI card. Alternatively, does anyone know of any E'net or SCSI cards that have OS/2 Drivers. I can't get the Card and Socket services to use my Sundisk Flash Card or Western Digital PCMCIA Hard Drive. They get recognized but status shows not ready. After install, OS/2 setup says I can only display 16 colours. Install correctly idendified the Western Digital accelerator chip but I can't figure out how to get it to use the full 256 colours. Starting a Windows session in OS/2 causes Windows Program Manager to show an error message and request to run setup from DOS and install Windows for a MSDOS with APM computer. Windows is already set up this way and changing back and forth does not help. I can click the ok and keep going but then it keeps beeping. When Dual Booting (warm booting) to DOS the speaker is switched to full volume and can't be turned down with the usual up/down arrows. Cold booting returns things to normal. Otherwise, it's great. I've managed to run all day without running out of windows resources. I've run stuff that would crash any DOS machine but could recover by simply closing the window. Love it. Thanks in advance for any help you folks can provide. Jerry James From ???@??? Mon Nov 28 00:12:25 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA14142 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:56:36 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02171; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:26:24 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:26:19 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA02149; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:26:13 -0500 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA06461; Wed, 23 Nov 94 12:25:32 MST Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 12:25:32 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9411231925.AA06461@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Warp & SVGA video This is a follow-up to my previous post regarding Warp and SVGA video. (Note that this is applicable to all Thinkpads which use the WD90C24 video controller chip.) Problem: SVGA video working OK after initial installation of Warp, but becomes corrupted after BIOS upgrade. Solution: Folowing the BIOS upgrade procedure, DO NOT run the Easy Setup System Diagnostics as indicated in the BIOS upgrade documentation. If for some reason you need to run the diagnostics, or, as in my case, you have already done so, you will need to recreate the OS/2 SVGADATA.PMI file. Explanation: SVGADATA.PMI is a file OS/2 uses to "capture the state of the video adapter" (quoting from the Warp User's Guide). Once captured, this file is used every time the system is started to define certain display parameters. The User's Guide also mentions that some "video configuration programs" may wreak havoc with this file, ultimately causing video corruption. It turns out that the video test subset of the Easy Setup Diagnostics just so happens to be one of these troublemakers. P.239 of the User's Guide walks you through the steps necessary to recreate the SVGADATA.PMI file; however, by avoiding the post BIOS upgrade diagnostics, you shouldn't need to mess with this. In short, the BIOS upgrade itself is not to blame for the OS/2 video corruption; rather, the Easy Setup System Diagnostics are the guilty party. Hope this helps someone down the road....... _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | Denver, CO. 80201 | From ???@??? Mon Nov 28 00:12:27 1994 Received: from faroe.vp.uiuc.edu by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA02822 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:53:16 -0600 Received: from uvaarpa.Virginia.EDU by faroe.vp.uiuc.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18191; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 15:52:43 -0600 Received: from Virginia.EDU by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa01222; 23 Nov 94 16:42 EST Received: from thialfi.cs.cornell.edu by uvaarpa.virginia.edu id aa01218; 23 Nov 94 16:41 EST Received: from CLOYD.CS.CORNELL.EDU by thialfi.cs.cornell.edu (5.67/I-1.99G) id AA19899; Wed, 23 Nov 94 16:41:37 -0500 Received: from GALAR.CS.CORNELL.EDU by cloyd.cs.cornell.edu (5.67/I-1.99F) id AA04450; Wed, 23 Nov 94 16:41:43 -0500 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 16:41:35 -0500 Message-Id: <9411232141.AA21737@galar.cs.cornell.edu> Received: by galar.cs.cornell.edu (5.67/N-0.13aa) id AA21737; Wed, 23 Nov 94 16:41:35 -0500 To: danko@bnr.ca Cc: ibm-tp500@virginia.edu In-Reply-To: "attilla (a.) danko"'s message of Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:08:00 -0500 <"21578 Wed Nov 23 14:09:24 1994"@bnr.ca> Subject: Re: OS2 & Floppies. From: Aaron Peromsik When OS/2 complains that the A: device is not responding, choose the Retry option from the list it gives you. This may take two or more tries. If it still doesn't work, go into setup (Func-F3) and change the floppy drive setting from Auto to No. This should work fine. I find this is necessary for HD disks but not for DD disks. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Aaron Peromsik | Good Morning! Are we having fun yet? peromsik@cornell.edu | Every solution breeds new problems. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- "It's bad luck to be superstitious." -- Andrew W. Mathis From ???@??? Mon Nov 28 00:12:31 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA15756 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:36:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10676; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:22:46 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:22:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from gl.ciw.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA10666; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:22:41 -0500 Received: from [192.70.249.45] (mac45.ciw.edu) by gl.ciw.edu (4.1/1.6) id AA13976; Wed, 23 Nov 94 16:22:08 EST Message-Id: <9411232122.AA13976@gl.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:22:58 -0500 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: Re: Warp & SVGA video It sounds like the SVGA problem is solved (more or less). This leaves only the APM problem. I'm probably not the only one who is anxious to leave the windows world behind, but not brave, or unoccupied enough to become a gamma tester (i.e. owner of an x.0 version:). Still, I'm chafing at the bit. Is the PCMCIA driver support better than the old os/2? Has anyone used warp with a 3com card, or a megaherz modem? How about scsi cards and parallel tape backups (iomega in particular)? How is the win32s support? Is parallel_3 really reserved for subspace communication under warp? :) Is system installation or maintenance a big time sink? How is the speed and stability running windows apps (it's a windows world after all). Any relevant info would be appreciated. ------------------------------------------------------------ Victor Kress Carnegie Institution of Washington, Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 ------------------------------------------------------------ From ???@??? Mon Nov 28 00:12:32 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA29711 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:27:45 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14942; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:22:15 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:22:13 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14932; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:22:05 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA02112; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 16:21:56 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:22:28 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <62549.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: IBM Ethernet PCMCIA adapter survives fall Here I am packing to leave for NY for Thanksgiving. I had my TP750 set up so I could get a last batch of mail before I left. I don't see the ethernet cord coming out of my TP and I tripped on it. Well, it really didn't have enough mass to trip me, rather my foot yanked the card right out of the socket (the dongle thingy has a lock). It flew about 5 feet across the room and landed on the hardwood floor. *OUCH* Well, I picked it up, plugged it back in (the computer was on all this time with OS/2 2.1 and EZPlay installed), and held my breath.... and .... it worked just fine. *phew* Heart attack averted. From OS/2 and the TP's point of view, all I'd done was removed the card and hot-plugged it back in. Just thought you'all'd like to know what I'm doing here at the Destructive Testing Methods Research Labs here at MIT. :-) Have a nice Thanksgiving weekend. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Mon Nov 28 00:12:34 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01523 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:35:52 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14220; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:10:48 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:10:46 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom14.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA14200; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 17:10:44 -0500 Received: by netcom14.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id OAA03804; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:04:47 -0800 Date: Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:04:46 -0800 (PST) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: Warp & SVGA video To: Victor Kress Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9411232122.AA13976@gl.ciw.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Whoa a lot of questions in a little space. But I will tell you my experience with Warp 3.0 on my machine TP750C 20Meg RAM 340 HD. I run the following PCMCIA cards . Megahertz X-JACK ( excellent) IBM 16/4 Token ring card ( excellent ) 3-com combo ethernet. ( shows under plug and play but haven't really tried that hard to get it running under OS/2 ). I also have the Iomega PP 250 tape backup. Support is good but the windows software has more features than the OS/2 although the OS/2 has full suport for HPFS. I am not going to re-install stacker as I am waiting for an 810 Meg HD All in all the new OS/2 is AWESOME on my setup the video drivers are noticeably faster and the whole OS just hums. I have had NO bugs but I did do a complete reformat of my drive prior to the Warp install. Martin P. Smith msmith@netcom.COM On Wed, 23 Nov 1994, Victor Kress wrote: > It sounds like the SVGA problem is solved (more or less). This leaves only > the APM problem. I'm probably not the only one who is anxious to leave the > windows world behind, but not brave, or unoccupied enough to become a gamma > tester (i.e. owner of an x.0 version:). Still, I'm chafing at the bit. Is > the PCMCIA driver support better than the old os/2? Has anyone used warp > with a 3com card, or a megaherz modem? How about scsi cards and parallel > tape backups (iomega in particular)? How is the win32s support? Is > parallel_3 really reserved for subspace communication under warp? :) Is > system installation or maintenance a big time sink? How is the speed and > stability running windows apps (it's a windows world after all). Any > relevant info would be appreciated. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Victor Kress > Carnegie Institution of Washington, Geophysical Laboratory > 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. > Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 > (202) 686-2410 x2489 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > > From ???@??? Mon Nov 28 00:12:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA13516 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:50:58 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20052; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:43:17 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:43:16 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from cs.nps.navy.mil by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA20035; Wed, 23 Nov 1994 18:43:13 -0500 Received: by cs.nps.navy.mil (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA14692; Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:43:47 PST Date: Wed, 23 Nov 94 15:43:47 PST From: george@cs.nps.navy.mil (Robert George) Message-Id: <9411232343.AA14692@cs.nps.navy.mil> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: PAL/SECAM/NTSC TV tuner for ThinkPad 755C ??? In-Reply-To: Mail from 'dkachalov@glas.apc.org (Dmitry Kachalov)' dated: Sun, 20 Nov 94 15:19 +0300 Cc: dkachalov@glas.apc.org > I wonder if someone know about multi-system TV tuner for ThinkPad 755C? > But idea is great... IBM let me borrow one of the television tuners for a couple of days, and it was acceptable, but it certainly didn`t justify the $1,999 price tag! > We've ordered one but it's only NTSC so absolutely USELESS in Russia. The tuner section has a switch to accept a composite (non-rf modulated) signal. Just use your own tuner, demodulate the signal (most modern tuners have a composite output), and plug it into the composite jack. It is interesting to note that the colors didn't look that great. The transistors in an active matrix LCD are analog (non-switching) transistors, so you still need a D/A section to drive the panel from a digital input. The driver chip in the ThinkPad uses 16,000 colors -- which you would think would be sufficient, but the panel had a hard time with skin tones and especially cartoons. We were thinking of using the ThinkPad for the display on a remote driving application for an autonomous robot, and found that the color was marginal for this type of application. | Robert George | Army Research Laboratory | | robertg@assb01.arl.mil | AMSRL-SS-IC | | Voice: (408) 656-3316 | 2800 Powder Mill Road | | Fax: (408) 656-2814 | Adelphi, MD 20783-1197 | A designer knows when he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away. -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery From ???@??? 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From: "attilla (a.) danko" Sender: "attilla (a.) danko" Message-Id: <"12365.Fri.Nov.25.17:50:35.1994"@bnr.ca>. To: ibm-tp500@virginia.edu Subject: Slow Trackpoint with OS2 I am running OS2. I have set the little slider in mouse setup to max speed. My trackpoint/mouse is still too slow. Is there a device driver option or some other incantation that I can use to speed up pointer movement? Thanks in advance. danko@bnr.ca From ???@??? Mon Nov 28 00:12:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA11288 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Sun, 27 Nov 1994 17:00:05 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25591; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 17:19:00 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 17:18:59 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA25581; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 17:18:57 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA24222; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 16:18:55 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 17:19:28 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@mit.edu Message-Id: <62369.jokim@mit.edu> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp & SVGA video In message Wed, 23 Nov 1994 14:04:46 -0800 (PST), "Martin P. Smith" writes: > I am not going to re-install stacker [for OS/2] as I am waiting for an > 810 Meg HD For those of us who are less fortunate in our bank accounts, I highly recommend you try out Zipstream on ftp-os2.cdrom.com in the directory /pub/os2/32bit/diskutil/zs102b.zip. It supports HPFS, it's multi-threaded so it seems fast, it compresses each file individually (so you won't lose all your data because of one bad sector), and it gets compression ratios within 1% of PKZip by my tests. Registration is about US$35. Right now I'm trying to figure out if it works under Warp (kinda hard since IBM lost my copy of Warp :-). _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Mon Nov 28 13:13:55 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA20901 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Mon, 28 Nov 1994 12:11:05 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12596; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:29:09 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:29:06 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from amazon.den.mmc.com by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA12584; Mon, 28 Nov 1994 11:29:02 -0500 Received: by amazon.den.mmc.com (4.1/1.34.a) id AA00471; Mon, 28 Nov 94 09:28:15 MST Date: Mon, 28 Nov 94 09:28:15 MST From: kyeanopl@amazon.den.mmc.com (Karl Yeanoplos) Message-Id: <9411281628.AA00471@amazon.den.mmc.com> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: Warp & SVGA video > It sounds like the SVGA problem is solved (more or less). Yeah, more or less....just be careful with the Easy Setup System Diagnostics. > This leaves only the APM problem. Actually, there is a workaround for the suspend/resume problem: delete your power-on password. Although I kinda miss the power-on password, OS/2 allows you to "lock-up" upon system start. This is not as secure or as convenient as the ROM-based password, but it'll do in the interim. There is also the familiar "PCMCIA-card-not-recognized-upon-return-from- hibernation-problem". Workaround: hot-plug the PCMCIA device. This is too much of a hassle for my tastes, so I've just given up on hibernation. On the plus side, I've recovered 8Mb of disk space as a result. > Is the PCMCIA driver support better than the old os/2? In terms of PCMCIA implementation, I see no difference between what I get under Warp versus what I had under Windows. Under Warp, it's called "Plug and Play for PCMCIA", whereas under Windows it's called "Easy Play", but that's about the only difference. It looks the same, feels the same, works the same. (Note that the only PCMCIA card I use is a Megahertz x-jack modem - your mileage may vary, especially with ethernet cards and the like). > Is system installation or maintenance a big time sink? Installation is easy, if not time consuming due to having to shuffle what seems like half-a-million floppies. Took me about an hour for an OS/2-only installation; installing Windows support will of course take longer. > How is the speed and stability running windows apps? Right now my setup does not include Windows support, so I can't comment on running Windows apps. However, I have been running the included HyperAccess Lite, Win-Cim for OS/2, Fax Works, and some DOS-based stuff. Overall, the system seems quite snappy and responsive. I came over from WFWG 3.11 (which fairly well screams), and I don't feel as though I've lost much in the way of speed. With OS/2 2.1, performance always seemed to lag that of Windows; but with Warp, performance is pretty much a non-issue. (I assume that one would see similar results when running Windows-based apps). As far as stability goes, the system has been very solid. The only crashes I've had are related to the APM bugs mentioned above. Contrast this to my DOS/Windows desktop machine, which crashed three times just yesterday while running Doom ;) If ID ever delivers on Doom/2, it may very well be the death blow for DOS on my desktop machine as well.... _________________________________________________________________ Karl E. Yeanoplos | (kyeanopl@den.mmc.com) Martin Marietta Corp. | P.O. Box 179/M.S. 5451 | Denver, CO. 80201 | From ???@??? Wed Nov 30 11:19:01 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA24008 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:45:11 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11226; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:24:13 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:24:12 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po5.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA11216; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:24:10 -0500 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po5.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id AAA20200 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:24:01 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:23:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs25.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:22:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs25.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:22:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.44.sun4c.411.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs25.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs25.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:22:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:22:08 -0500 (EST) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: warp and tcp/ip I have a 3com etherlink III pcmcia 10base-T in slot 1. I have installed warp and tcp/ip 2.0 for os/2 everything seems ok, but then at the end it tells me that it can't find the adapter. I have configured tcp/ip to enable adapter 1 and laps is configured for adapter 0 (the lowest number). and it doesn't work any help would be greatly appreciated. ------------- Alexis and I From ???@??? Wed Nov 30 11:19:02 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22356 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 05:46:55 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02685; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 05:38:16 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 05:38:15 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA02675; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 05:38:08 -0500 Received: by ki1.chemie.fu-berlin.de (Smail3.1.28.1) from odb.rhein-main.de (193.141.47.4) with smtp id ; Tue, 29 Nov 94 11:37 MET Received: from fp.rhein-main.de by odb.rhein-main.de with smtp (Smail3.1.28.1 #5) id m0rCPwL-0003eMC; Tue, 29 Nov 94 11:37 MET Message-Id: X-Sender: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 11:35:52 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: uwe@odb.rhein-main.de (Tim Vetter) Subject: Re: 755CD video subsystem... X-Mailer: Ken Yee said: > >Anyone know whether all the 755CD components are supported by OS/2 Warp, >Windows NT 3.5, Linux, Sun Solaris 2.4, and Chicago? Don't know about the others, but NT 3.5 can currently only drive ThinkPads at 640x480x16 resolution (that goes for external monitors too) which I would think make it totally useless for video work. As for Chicago (reborn as Windows 95), I have a copy coming in the next few weeks, *any* TP compatibility info would be greatly welcomed before I and my machine become a guinea pigs ... Best, Tim Vetter Frankfurt uwe@odb.rhein-main.de From ???@??? Wed Nov 30 11:19:13 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA22718 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 29 Nov 1994 14:42:21 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07507; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 13:59:40 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 13:59:38 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07497; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 13:59:36 -0500 Message-Id: <199411291859.NAA07497@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by martigny.ai.mit.edu (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26108; Tue, 29 Nov 94 13:59:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 94 13:59:27 -0500 From: Chris Hanson To: sk6k+@andrew.cmu.edu Cc: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: Msg of Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:22:08 -0500 (EST) from Sang H Kim Subject: warp and tcp/ip Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 00:22:08 -0500 (EST) From: Sang H Kim I have a 3com etherlink III pcmcia 10base-T in slot 1. I have installed warp and tcp/ip 2.0 for os/2 everything seems ok, but then at the end it tells me that it can't find the adapter. I have configured tcp/ip to enable adapter 1 and laps is configured for adapter 0 (the lowest number). and it doesn't work any help would be greatly appreciated. ------------- Alexis and I I have exactly the same configuration (well, 10base2 actually) and had the same experience. I fixed it by installing two files from the "beta" OS/2 PCMCIA drivers, which are available from "software.watson.ibm.com" as the file "pub/os2/ews/os2pcm.zip". I _strongly_ recommend that you not install the entire package. I suspect that doing so will break Warp, and you will definitely lose your "Plug and Play" icon. Instead, get two files, "pcmcia.sys" and "icrmu01.sys", and install them in "\os2\". "pcmcia.sys" will replace the one that came with Warp (I renamed the original so it wouldn't be lost), and "icrmu01.sys" doesn't exist in Warp at all. Then add a DEVICE line for "icrmu01.sys" according to the instructions that came with the drivers; I don't remember the details and I'm not sitting at my ThinkPad so I can't look at it for you -- but if you want I can get it later and tell you. Anyway, once I installed these two files and added the DEVICE line to config.sys I rebooted and my etherlink worked fine ever after. From ???@??? Wed Nov 30 11:19:33 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28707 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 01:24:03 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16995; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:46:03 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:46:00 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from superdec.uni.uiuc.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA16951; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:45:33 -0500 Received: by superdec.uni.uiuc.edu (5.65/DEC-Ultrix/4.4) id AA02528; Tue, 29 Nov 1994 14:45:03 -0600 X-Nupop-Charset: English Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 15:45:36 -0500 (EST) From: "John H. Kim" Sender: jokim@superdec.uni.uiuc.edu Reply-To: jokim@MIT.EDU Message-Id: <56736.jokim@mit.edu> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: RE: warp and tcp/ip In message Tue, 29 Nov 94 13:59:27 -0500, Chris Hanson writes: >> I have a 3com etherlink III pcmcia 10base-T in slot 1. >> >> I have installed warp and tcp/ip 2.0 for os/2 >> everything seems ok, but then at the end it tells me that it can't find >> the adapter. I have configured tcp/ip to enable adapter 1 and laps is >> configured for adapter 0 (the lowest number). and it doesn't work > I have exactly the same configuration (well, 10base2 actually) and had > the same experience. I fixed it by installing two files from the > "beta" OS/2 PCMCIA drivers, which are available from > "software.watson.ibm.com" as the file "pub/os2/ews/os2pcm.zip". I recommend you give Sang a copy of your config.sys. I spent 10 hours installing and reinstalling TCP/IP and the IBM PCMCIA ethernet software. I finally compared with someone else's config.sys and got it to work by playing with the order things were being loaded. It's really kinda strange. You have to load half the PCMCIA drivers first, then NDIS, then TCPIP, then the other half of the PCMCIA drivers. _____________________________________________________________________ |\_____________________________________________________________________\ | | | | | John H. Kim "None of what you are seeing is actually happening." | | | jokim@mit.edu | | | jokim@uni.uiuc.edu - disclaimer for TV movie 'Without Warning' | \|_____________________________________________________________________| From ???@??? Wed Nov 30 11:19:35 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19477 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 04:15:10 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11707; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 04:27:28 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 04:27:25 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chorus.chorus.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11689; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 04:27:15 -0500 From: Received: from octave.chorus.fr by chorus.chorus.fr; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 10:26:58 +0100 Received: by octave.chorus.fr; Wed, 30 Nov 94 10:26:56 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 94 10:26:56 +0100 Message-Id: <9411300926.AA23227@octave.chorus.fr> To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Obtaining Fixes For Thinkpad Hello, Chris Hanson writes: > I have exactly the same configuration (well, 10base2 actually) and had > the same experience. I fixed it by installing two files from the > "beta" OS/2 PCMCIA drivers, which are available from > "software.watson.ibm.com" as the file "pub/os2/ews/os2pcm.zip". I wonder if we can obtain IBM Fixes for Thinkpad (called APAR nnn) from this site also ? -------------------------------------------------------------------- St'ephane ERANIAN | Email eranian@chorus.fr Universit'e PARIS VII | eranian@litp.ibp.fr LITP - Laboratoire d'Informatique | Th'eorique et Programmation | 2 place Jussieu | 75251 Paris cedex 05 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Wed Nov 30 11:19:37 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07159 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 06:39:46 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25556; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 06:41:52 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 06:41:50 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from post.demon.co.uk by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA25546; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 06:41:46 -0500 Received: from filct.demon.co.uk by post.demon.co.uk id ab22701; 30 Nov 94 11:41 GMT From: "Mike O'Carroll" X-Mailer: SCO System V Mail (version 3.2) To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Warp & Windows Date: Wed, 30 Nov 94 10:55:49 GMT Message-Id: <9411301055.aa02783@hipass.filct.com> I just installed Warp over Windows on my tp750. When I ran a Windows app under Warp, the speaker emitted a horrible starngling noise, and the system locked up pretty soon after. Now, when I boot Dos, Windows comes up with a "Not enough memory ..." error on startup (though there is nothing in the startup folder). After that, I can only start one or two apps without getting an "Not enough memory" error. Any ideas? What can I do (short of a full restore) to get back to a Windows that works? TIA Mike From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 16:42:44 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA01488 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:46:14 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21259; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:03:30 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:03:28 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from netcom2.netcom.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA21249; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 12:03:24 -0500 Received: by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.9/Netcom) id JAA28288; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 09:03:54 -0800 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 09:03:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Martin P. Smith" Subject: Re: Warp & Windows To: "Mike O'Carroll" Cc: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU In-Reply-To: <9411301055.aa02783@hipass.filct.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would try turning off sound support under windows. If you absolutely must have sound you could then do a selective re-install of MMOS2. Martin P. Smith mpsmith@ibm.net On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, Mike O'Carroll wrote: > I just installed Warp over Windows on my tp750. When I ran a Windows app > under Warp, the speaker emitted a horrible starngling noise, and the system > locked up pretty soon after. > > Now, when I boot Dos, Windows comes up with a "Not enough memory ..." > error on startup (though there is nothing in the startup folder). After > that, I can only start one or two apps without getting an "Not enough memory" > error. > > Any ideas? What can I do (short of a full restore) to get back to a Windows > that works? > > TIA > > Mike > From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 16:42:50 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA19553 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 15:38:16 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01210; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:11:39 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:11:37 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01199; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:11:33 -0500 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA20100 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:11:24 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:11:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:09:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs4.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:09:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.32.pmax.ul4.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs4.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax.ul4 via MS.5.6.pcs4.andrew.cmu.edu.pmax_ul4; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:09:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <8irArLW00Uh_I5EFtp@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:09:11 -0500 (EST) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: warp and tcp/ip In-Reply-To: <56736.jokim@mit.edu> Excerpts from internet.computing.tp750: 29-Nov-94 RE: warp and tcp/ip by "John H. Kim"@MIT.EDU > I recommend you give Sang a copy of your config.sys. I spent 10 hours > installing and reinstalling TCP/IP and the IBM PCMCIA ethernet software. > I finally compared with someone else's config.sys and got it to work by > playing with the order things were being loaded. It's really kinda strange. > You have to load half the PCMCIA drivers first, then NDIS, then TCPIP, then > the other half of the PCMCIA drivers. I did what Chris told me to do. I just replaced the pcmcia.sys that came with warp with the new pcmcia.sys file and everything is fine now. it recognizes my adapter and ftp and stuff work now. ------------- Alexis and I From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 16:42:51 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA28361 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 15:58:32 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05066; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:57:57 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:57:55 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from bsdi.nucleus.com by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA05051; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 14:57:40 -0500 Received: (twkary@localhost) by bsdi.nucleus.com (8.6.8.1/8.6.5) id NAA22695; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 13:01:12 -0700 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 13:01:11 -0700 (MST) From: Tim Kary To: TP750 List Subject: Re: Warp & Windows In-Reply-To: <9411301055.aa02783@hipass.filct.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 30 Nov 1994, Mike O'Carroll wrote: > I just installed Warp over Windows on my tp750. When I ran a Windows app > under Warp, the speaker emitted a horrible starngling noise, and the system > locked up pretty soon after. > > Now, when I boot Dos, Windows comes up with a "Not enough memory ..." > error on startup (though there is nothing in the startup folder). After > that, I can only start one or two apps without getting an "Not enough memory" > error. > > Any ideas? What can I do (short of a full restore) to get back to a Windows > that works? > > TIA > > Mike > Mike: Try increasing the first number on the STACKS line in your config.sys file. I've had a similar problem running some windows programs. According to documentation in the Windows Resource Kit this was the suggested fix. And it worked!! >:-o Tim --------------------------------------------------------------------- Tim Kary twkary@nucleus.com |"Imagination is more 403-262-7021 cellular: 870-1386 | important than knowledge." 403-262-1392 - FAX | - Albert Einstein --------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 16:42:53 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA07320 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:25:48 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13829; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:44:10 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:44:07 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from po2.andrew.cmu.edu by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13806; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:43:59 -0500 Received: (from postman@localhost) by po2.andrew.cmu.edu (8.6.9/8.6.9) id QAA27400 for TP750@CS.UTK.EDU; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:43:49 -0500 Received: via switchmail; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:43:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs27.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:42:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from pcs27.andrew.cmu.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:42:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from mms.4.60.Nov..4.1993.10.47.44.sun4c.411.EzMail.PC.2.0.CUILIB.3.45.SNAP.NOT.LINKED.pcs27.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c.411 via MS.5.6.pcs27.andrew.cmu.edu.sun4c_411; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:42:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <4irD71i00iVDI_BUZK@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 16:42:25 -0500 (EST) From: Sang H Kim To: TP750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: unix on tp I have a tp755cs and would like to install unix of any flavor. linux or commercial (as long as it's not too expensive). is there anything that will install on my tp and also recognize my ethernet card? also, anyone know the number of sigma data (or whatever the name is) that sells harddisks for tp's ? thanks ------------- Alexis and I From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 16:42:59 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AB04845 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:20:18 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05645; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:04:55 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:04:53 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from MIT.EDU by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA05635; Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:04:51 -0500 From: Received: from PRIMAVERA.MIT.EDU by MIT.EDU with SMTP id AA27049; Wed, 30 Nov 94 21:04:46 EST Received: by primavera.MIT.EDU (5.57/4.7) id AA13227; Wed, 30 Nov 94 21:04:44 -0500 Message-Id: <9412010204.AA13227@primavera.MIT.EDU> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: New IBM PCMCIA sound cards Date: Wed, 30 Nov 1994 21:04:43 EST I just read that IBM is planning on announcing this week the availability of two new PCMCIA sound cards. They are both Wavetable synthesis based and range in the 150-285 dollar price range (in qtys >1000 :( ) Has anyone heard anything else? Cheers... Art Arturo J. Morales (RPI '94) | ajm1@mit.edu Department of Biology | Massachvsetts Institvte of Technology -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies. From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 16:43:12 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA23252 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 02:45:42 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27533; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 03:01:45 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 03:01:44 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from chorus.chorus.fr by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA27500; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 03:01:40 -0500 From: Received: from opera.chorus.fr by chorus.chorus.fr; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 09:01:15 +0100 Received: by opera.chorus.fr; Thu, 1 Dec 94 09:01:14 +0100 Date: Thu, 1 Dec 94 09:01:14 +0100 Message-Id: <9412010801.AA24345@opera.chorus.fr> To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: unix on tp > > I have a tp755cs and would like to install unix of any flavor. > linux or commercial (as long as it's not too expensive). > > is there anything that will install on my tp and also recognize my > ethernet card? I think you should take a look at the html page at: http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/html/linux-thinkpad.html It contains infroamtion on Linux for the TP750. But I think it is also valuable for tP755 owners, as well > > also, anyone know the number of sigma data (or whatever the name is) > that sells harddisks for tp's ? > Here is an excerpts from a mail posted to list a few times ago: Capacity IBM Part Number Sigma Data Part Number 340M 66G2849 QED/TP750-340 540M 84G2150 QED/TP750-540 810M 84G8250 QED/TP750-810 Sigma Data 17 Newport Road New London, NH 03257-4567 (800) 446-4525 (603) 526-6909 Hope this helps ! -------------------------------------------------------------------- St'ephane ERANIAN | Email eranian@chorus.fr Universit'e PARIS VII | eranian@litp.ibp.fr LITP - Laboratoire d'Informatique | Th'eorique et Programmation | 2 place Jussieu | 75251 Paris cedex 05 | -------------------------------------------------------------------- From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 16:43:17 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA16613 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 13:11:40 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20658; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 12:37:27 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 12:37:26 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from dingo.cc.uq.oz.au by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA20632; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 12:37:20 -0500 Received: from localhost by dingo.cc.uq.oz.au with SMTP id AA10448 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 2 Dec 1994 03:36:44 +1000 Date: Fri, 2 Dec 1994 03:36:38 +1000 (GMT+1000) From: Rohan Davidson Subject: Warp To: tp750 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII It looks like I'll be able to get a free copy of IBM's Warp through my uni. Do we have a consensus over Warp with relation to (a) disk space, (b) thinkpad video drivers, and (c) thinkpad PCMCIA and power preservation settings? By the way, do any of the Australian subscribers know when/if the X-Jack modem is coming here? Call it a hunch, but I think Austel might have something to do with its absence. :) From ???@??? Thu Dec 01 16:43:28 1994 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by uxa.cso.uiuc.edu with SMTP id AA27427 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 1 Dec 1994 15:36:09 -0600 Received: from localhost by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04249; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 15:16:25 -0500 X-Resent-To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU ; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 15:16:21 EST Errors-To: owner-tp750@CS.UTK.EDU Received: from iaehv.iaehv.nl by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04239; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 15:16:18 -0500 Received: from localhost by iaehv.iaehv.nl (8.6.8/1.63) id VAA21589; Thu, 1 Dec 1994 21:16:05 +0101 Message-Id: <199412012015.VAA21589@iaehv.iaehv.nl> X-Disclaimer: iaehv.nl is a public access UNIX system and cannot be held responsible for the opinions of its individual users. X-Sender: robr@iaehv.nl X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 01 Dec 1994 21:15:41 +0100 To: tp750@CS.UTK.EDU From: robr@iaehv.nl (Rob Ruggenberg) Subject: Re: Warp >It looks like I'll be able to get a free copy of IBM's Warp through my uni. >Do we have a consensus over Warp with relation to (a) disk space, (b) >thinkpad video drivers, and (c) thinkpad PCMCIA and power preservation >settings? A reaction about (a) disk space: Warp was somewhat of a disappointment for me as my Thinkpad has only a 170 Mb hd, which I had doublespaced into 240 Mb. On that drive I had about 80 Mb free - rather comfortable. Then came Warp: I had to de-install doublespace, which meant that I had to move about 100 Mb valuable software from my drive. After deinstalling I was left with my normal C-drive with about 100 Mb free. I installed Warp, which costed me 45 MB. So now I have Warp and about 50 MB free space left. I feel disappointed because I still miss that 100 Mb software that I had to dump..... In some newsgroups I was told that in January there will be a Stacker 4 especially for OS2. I'll wait for that. In the mean time I keep thinking: why did not IMB include a diskcompression programm with Warp? It would made switching operating systems much more easier for many people. I have used Doublespace for more than a year and had never any trouble with it. Many people advised me to buy a bigger HD, but I live in the Netherlands and the IBM Thinkpad HD's are very, very expensive here. _______________________ Rob Ruggenberg The Netherlands E-mail: robr@iaehv.nl Every time a child says 'I don't believe in fairies' there is a little fairy somewhere that falls down dead. (John Matthew Barrie) _________________________________________________________