From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 1 17:24:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28773; Sat, 1 Jun 96 17:24:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA11037; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 17:22:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 1 Jun 1996 17:12:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10264; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 17:11:59 -0400 Received: from mail.grove.ufl.edu (root@mail.grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA10254; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 17:11:49 -0400 Received: from bay.grove.ufl.edu (ks@bay [128.227.8.9]) by mail.grove.ufl.edu (8.7.5/8.6.10) with ESMTP id RAA02606 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 17:14:32 -0400 From: Kenneth Adam Sturrock Received: (from ks@localhost) by bay.grove.ufl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA02667 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 17:14:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199606012114.RAA02667@bay.grove.ufl.edu> Subject: NT on Butterfly 701C To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 1 Jun 1996 17:14:30 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" at Jun 1, 96 12:16:05 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Currently have NT up on my DX2 Butterfly (20M RAM), I'd like to chat with anyone who might be a little further along. TIA -Ken -- ______________________________________________________________________ K A Sturrock * Anthropology * University of Florida * ks@grove.ufl.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 2 08:31:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22212; Sun, 2 Jun 96 08:31:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA20746; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 06:52:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 2 Jun 1996 06:46:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18883; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 06:46:35 -0400 Received: from gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (root@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18865; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 06:46:32 -0400 Received: from default (modem086.offcampus.calpoly.edu [129.65.100.86]) by gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (8.6.12/ELEE) with SMTP id XAA28439 for ; Sat, 1 Jun 1996 23:29:20 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960602062604.006826e8@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 01 Jun 1996 23:26:04 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: TP755CD won't reboot! I just recently installed Norton Utilities for Win 95 on my TP755CD and when I select any option from the shutdown menu (shutdown, reboot, or dos mode) the computer goes through the normal shutdown stuff, but at the very end it says "Windows Protection Fault ..... Must reboot .....press any key" (or something like this). Then when I press a key, it just turns off. Does anyone know why this might be happening? -Mike -- mfukatsu@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu mfukatsu@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu http://www.elee.calpoly.edu/~mfukatsu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 2 19:55:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17082; Sun, 2 Jun 96 19:55:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12142; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:53:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:42:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11616; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:42:12 -0400 Received: from unix.asb.com (root@unix.asb.com [165.254.128.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11610; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 19:42:08 -0400 Received: from sls6.asb.com (sls6.asb.com [165.254.128.16]) by unix.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id UAA00859 for ; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 20:12:54 -0400 From: christij@unix.asb.com (Joseph Christie) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: desktop help ????? Date: Sun, 02 Jun 1996 23:41:58 GMT Organization: Just me and I'm not organized Message-Id: <31b2269f.601978@unix.asb.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 I've got a strange one. If anybody has any clue I'd appreciate a hint. I booted up my TP 701C and after the LOGO it just froze with the hard drive light flashing. Not a big problem - I've seen it before. I got a copy of robosave about two weeks ago and made a backup of my desktop. I boot from a utility disk and run roborest and reboot. Everything works fine but the NEXT time I shut down and reboot the same freeze with HD light blinking. Again the first reboot after a restore is fine but any subsequent shutdown causes a freeze. Any ideas, thoughts or suggestions would be welcome. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 423B78C80FEA5495 CF64AD5F214797DE http://www.asb.com/usr/christij 95E3789C5679C4D7 03210B57E76FE66 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole. - Malcolm X From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 2 21:11:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20350; Sun, 2 Jun 96 21:11:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17497; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 21:10:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 2 Jun 1996 21:07:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17253; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 21:07:36 -0400 Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA17228; Sun, 2 Jun 1996 21:07:16 -0400 Received: by portal.visa.com id AA18832 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu); Mon, 3 Jun 1996 01:07:00 GMT Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Mon, 3 Jun 1996 01:07:00 GMT Date: Sun, 2 Jun 1996 21:04:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Huber To: Kenneth Adam Sturrock Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: NT on Butterfly 701C In-Reply-To: <199606012114.RAA02667@bay.grove.ufl.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, I'm further behind vice ahead, anyway, I have been considering NT on my 701 but didn't think it had the horse power to run NT. Were you able to install it out-of-the box, any problems (your note implies you may be having difficulties), are you running NT apps, Win 95, Win 3.1, DOS or what? What's the performance like? Thanks!! On Sat, 1 Jun 1996, Kenneth Adam Sturrock wrote: > Currently have NT up on my DX2 Butterfly (20M RAM), I'd like to > chat with anyone who might be a little further along. > > > TIA > > > -Ken > -- > ______________________________________________________________________ > K A Sturrock * Anthropology * University of Florida * ks@grove.ufl.edu > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 3 03:43:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03442; Mon, 3 Jun 96 03:43:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13288; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 03:41:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 3 Jun 1996 03:38:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12946; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 03:38:51 -0400 Received: from earth.usa.net (wdunn@earth.usa.net [192.156.196.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12940; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 03:38:49 -0400 Received: (from wdunn@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id BAA26911; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 01:38:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 01:38:40 -0600 (MDT) From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications X-Sender: wdunn@earth To: Joseph Christie Cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: desktop help ????? In-Reply-To: <31b2269f.601978@unix.asb.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 2 Jun 1996, Joseph Christie wrote: I'm paranoid. Boot to a clean floppy and run an anti-virus. Dr. Solomon's has an evaluation version that one can download from http://www.drsolomon.com. It is a good one. The catch is that it will only find the virus. You must purchase a copy if you want to get it removed, but a fair trade IMHO. I can think of some other possibilities but rule out the virus one first and you might be surprised. --wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder, CO > I've got a strange one. If anybody has any clue I'd appreciate a hint. > > I booted up my TP 701C and after the LOGO it just froze with the hard drive > light flashing. Not a big problem - I've seen it before. I got a copy of > robosave about two weeks ago and made a backup of my desktop. I boot from a > utility disk and run roborest and reboot. Everything works fine but the > NEXT time I shut down and reboot the same freeze with HD light blinking. > > Again the first reboot after a restore is fine but any subsequent shutdown > causes a freeze. > > Any ideas, thoughts or suggestions would be welcome. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 423B78C80FEA5495 CF64AD5F214797DE > http://www.asb.com/usr/christij 95E3789C5679C4D7 03210B57E76FE66 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it > is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I > am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole. - Malcolm X > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 3 13:10:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25797; Mon, 3 Jun 96 13:10:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05484; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:07:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:01:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04678; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:01:27 -0400 Received: from earth.usa.net (wdunn@earth.usa.net [192.156.196.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04668; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:01:24 -0400 Received: (from wdunn@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id LAA21523; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:01:17 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 11:01:16 -0600 (MDT) From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications X-Sender: wdunn@earth To: thinkpad Subject: Urgent Help re: MWave Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a CD-ROM project targeting 755CD. We have had problems using Icon Author in OS/2 which pushes graphics and AVIs. After a certain point the MWave seems to crash giving a SYS3171 error, c0000005 at 1605a3d9 exception condition. This crashes the MWave so sound and other functions is no longer available, but the OS is still intact. Warm boot required to remedy situation. In Windows (3.1) something similar seems to happenb but without any errors--it just stops working. When the same CD is played on non-wave enabled machines--desktops and a 750C, it runs without errors. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance. --wwd Will Dunn, Leopard Communications Boulder, CO (303) 938-8901 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 3 13:11:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25856; Mon, 3 Jun 96 13:11:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05497; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:07:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:03:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04910; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:03:27 -0400 Received: from www.cep.yale.edu (www.cep.yale.edu [130.132.125.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04893; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:03:22 -0400 Received: (from adept@localhost) by www.cep.yale.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id NAA20830; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:04:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 13:04:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 PCMCIA Bay door Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Does anyone know if we can get the little PCMCIA bay doors from IBM? Has anoyone tried? Is there a charge? I seem to have lost mine. Thanks! Ben. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 3 15:53:56 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03987; Mon, 3 Jun 96 15:53:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23570; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:53:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:50:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23364; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:50:41 -0400 Received: from www.interlog.com (www.interlog.com [198.53.145.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA23353; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:50:38 -0400 Received: from peterrei (ip93-208.tor.interlog.com [206.108.93.208]) by www.interlog.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA02022 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 15:50:35 -0400 Message-Id: <31B341E2.2F0B@interlog.com> Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 15:49:54 -0400 From: Peter Reilly Reply-To: peterr@interlog.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: boot/root disks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone I am attempting to install Linux Slackware 3.0 onto my IBM ThinkPad 755CE. I'm looking for the boot/root disks that would best support this unit. Had trouble getting the stick-point to be recognized. Thanks in advance! Peter :) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 3 19:42:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17976; Mon, 3 Jun 96 19:42:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA12214; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:41:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:38:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11895; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:38:21 -0400 Received: from suba01.suba.com (suba01.suba.com [198.87.202.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA11888; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 19:38:18 -0400 Received: from dial35.suba.com (dial35.suba.com [198.87.202.162]) by suba01.suba.com (8.6.10/8.6.10) with SMTP id SAA29566 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 18:38:13 -0500 From: epbrown@suba.com (E P Brown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Nameplates Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 23:42:20 GMT Message-Id: <31b37795.581106@mail.suba.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Hey, gang, I just got the little nameplate they send you for you laptop with your name engraved on it. I only ordered it 6.5 MONTHS ago! This beats the record set with my 355, which I sold before the plate arrived, 8 months after purchasing the system. Well, what do you expect, it's free, huh? But I'm curious, anyone waited even longer? epbrown ________________________________________________________ Harriet! Hairy. It. Hard-hearted harbinger of haggis. Beautiful. Bemused. Bellicose. Butcher. UN-trust-ing! UN-know-ing! UN-love-ed. "This Poem Sucks" by Mike Myers epbrown@suba.com ________________________________________________________ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 3 20:10:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18918; Mon, 3 Jun 96 20:10:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14285; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:10:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:02:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13359; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:02:02 -0400 Received: from dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (dragon.cnm.columbia.edu [128.59.192.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA13353; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:01:59 -0400 Received: from tintin.jrn.columbia.edu (dialup1048.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.47.48]) by dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9/sed) with SMTP id UAA14401 for ; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:01:49 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960604000003.00ab04c4@jrn.columbia.edu> X-Sender: yann@jrn.columbia.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 20:00:03 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Yann Nicolas Subject: Re: Nameplates > Hey, gang, I just got the little nameplate they send you for you laptop >with your name engraved on it. I only ordered it 6.5 MONTHS ago! This beats >the record set with my 355, which I sold before the plate arrived, 8 months >after purchasing the system. Well, what do you expect, it's free, huh? But >I'm curious, anyone waited even longer? I waited for about 2 month for my TP500 nameplate. Ended up calling them up about it (!)... They apologized and I ended receiving 2 nameplates about a week later... Now where is the nameplate supposed to go on a 701?!? -- Yann Nicolas Systems Coordinator - Graduate School of Journalism, Columbia University yann@jrn.columbia.edu - http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/~yann/soccer.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 3 20:13:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19118; Mon, 3 Jun 96 20:13:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14602; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:13:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:12:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14490; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:12:54 -0400 Received: from fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (root@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.112.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA14482; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:12:47 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu (rheo-port.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.196]) by fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA07805 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 01:19:33 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960604001235.00671398@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> X-Sender: axel@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 20:12:35 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: Re: Nameplates Hi EPB, At 23:42 03.06.96 GMT, you wrote: > Hey, gang, I just got the little nameplate they send you for you laptop >with your name engraved on it. I only ordered it 6.5 MONTHS ago! This beats >[...] Where exactly is it supposed to go? Oh, and for which model Thinkpad? I'm curious about the TP701 - is it going to block access to any ports, like the port-replicator blocking the PCMCIA-cover? And how good is the adhesive? Does it stick really good (thereby making it hard to sell later on) or does it come right off (of interest to any thief...). axel ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 3 20:46:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20447; Mon, 3 Jun 96 20:46:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17127; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:46:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:45:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16909; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:45:15 -0400 Received: from chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU (chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU [128.32.33.120]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16898; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:45:12 -0400 Received: (from steverod@localhost) by chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU (8.6.11/8.6.9) id RAA09662 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:45:15 -0700 From: Steve Rodrigues Message-Id: <199606040045.RAA09662@chiwaukum.CS.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: Re: Nameplates To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 3 Jun 1996 17:45:14 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960604000003.00ab04c4@jrn.columbia.edu> from "Yann Nicolas" at Jun 3, 96 08:00:03 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yann Nicolas wrote: > I waited for about 2 month for my TP500 nameplate. Ended up calling them up > about it (!)... They apologized and I ended receiving 2 nameplates about a > week later... Mine took 4-5 months, I think. I was gone for two months of that, and busy for the rest, so it didn't bother me.... > Now where is the nameplate supposed to go on a 701?!? I believe it goes in an entirely unobvious place: on the bottom(!) of the unit, you'll see a little rectangular indentation (near the power plug). I think it goes there; it certainly fits. Why I can't have my name blaring to the world is beyond me. (Dammit, I paid lots o' bucks for this! I want the world to know it's mine, mine, mine! :) Steve -- Steve Rodrigues | Lost, yesterday, somewhere between sunrise and Expatriate Texan | sunset, two golden hours, each set with sixty UC Berkeley, Dept. of EECS | diamond minutes. No reward is offered, for they steverod@cs.berkeley.edu | are gone forever. -- Horace Mann From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 3 21:23:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21782; Mon, 3 Jun 96 21:23:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19761; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:22:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:21:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19657; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:21:35 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA19651; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 21:21:32 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA17260; Mon, 3 Jun 96 21:19:17 EDT Date: Mon, 3 Jun 96 21:19:17 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606040119.AA17260@nile.gnat.com> To: epbrown@suba.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Nameplates gosh 6.5 months, that's not much use, I don't keep my thinkpads that long :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 3 23:56:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27356; Mon, 3 Jun 96 23:56:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA01208; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:56:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:53:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00815; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:53:29 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00809; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 23:53:27 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-i-40.usc.edu [128.125.224.112]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id UAA21755; Mon, 3 Jun 1996 20:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960604035610.006af084@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 03 Jun 1996 20:56:10 -0700 To: Axel Hartmann , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: Nameplates At 08:12 PM 6/3/96 -0400, Axel Hartmann wrote: >Where exactly is it supposed to go? Oh, and for which model Thinkpad? >I'm curious about the TP701 - is it going to block access to any ports, >like the port-replicator blocking the PCMCIA-cover? Not unless you put it in a *very* weird place! For what its worth, I somehow had 2 nameplates I pulled from my 750C when I sold it. On my 701, I discovered I can put one inside the lid just above the screen and also just above the keyboard (to the left of the LED's) just behind a slightly raised area. Both locations show your nameplate relatively well (assuming you want that) and do not interfere with any physical operations of the computer (opening, closing, etc.). >And how good is the adhesive? Does it stick really good (thereby >making it hard to sell later on) or does it come right off (of interest >to any thief...). I found it not too difficult to take off my 750C, but it was awfully tough to do so without tweaking the nameplate. ------- Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle Women often ask, "What do men really want, deep in their souls?" The best answer--based on in-depth analysis of the complex and subtle interplay of thought, instinct, and emotion that constitutes the male psyche--is that deep in their souls, men want to watch stuff go 'bang'. - Dave Barry, October 2, 1994 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 03:55:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08115; Tue, 4 Jun 96 03:55:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16615; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 03:54:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 03:50:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16249; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 03:50:39 -0400 Received: from gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (root@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu [129.65.26.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16229; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 03:50:30 -0400 Received: from default (modem068.offcampus.calpoly.edu [129.65.100.68]) by gauss.elee.calpoly.edu (8.6.12/ELEE) with SMTP id AAA26192; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 00:50:21 -0700 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960604074701.0069160c@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu> X-Sender: mfukatsu@gauss.elee.calpoly.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 00:47:01 -0700 To: peterr@interlog.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Fukatsu Subject: Re: boot/root disks At 03:49 PM 6/3/96 -0400, Peter Reilly wrote: >Hello everyone > >I am attempting to install Linux Slackware 3.0 onto my IBM ThinkPad >755CE. I'm looking for the boot/root disks that would best support this >unit. Had trouble getting the stick-point to be recognized. > >Thanks in advance! >Peter :) > > Peter, I think you can just use either bare or abare for the boot disk and use the color root disk. I installed Slackware 3.0 on my TP755CD but had to copy the disk sets to my DOS drive because to install off a CD you need the CD and the Floppy to be working at the same time. I had no problems having the mouse pointer recognized, in the configure menu just choose the PS2 (aux) type. This should do the trick. -Mike -- mfukatsu@hertz.elee.calpoly.edu mfukatsu@cymbal.aix.calpoly.edu http://www.elee.calpoly.edu/~mfukatsu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 06:36:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14233; Tue, 4 Jun 96 06:36:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03080; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 06:35:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 06:31:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02885; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 06:31:20 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA02879; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 06:31:12 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id KAA43744; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:31:07 GMT Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:31:07 GMT Message-Id: <199606041031.KAA43744@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip129-37-158-143.on.ca.ibm.net(129.37.158.143) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaIsgCrx; Tue Jun 4 10:30:54 1996 X-Sender: szivos@pop01.ny.us.ibm.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: mwave-l@watson.mbb.sfu.ca, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Geza Szivos Subject: Experience C++ on the ThinkPad 760CD I can't make the sound working for the Experience C++ CD-ROM Tutorial on my 760CD. Not under DOS or Windows or OS/2. Was this working for anyone? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Geza Szivos Systems Engineer, SIVCO Inc. BESTeam and TEAMOS2 Member Certified IBM OS/2 Engineer, Certified LAN Server Engineer, DB/2 and AD Specialist Tel: (403)-850-4500 FAX: (403)-547-4741 Szivos@ibm.net TalkLink:lnk9094 IBMMail(CANOVXVV) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 10:41:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23705; Tue, 4 Jun 96 10:41:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22675; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:39:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:36:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22310; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:36:16 -0400 Received: from cs.utah.edu (cs.utah.edu [128.110.4.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22304; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:36:13 -0400 Received: from venus.cs.utah.edu by cs.utah.edu (8.6.12/utah-2.21-cs) id IAA15759; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 08:36:10 -0600 Received: by venus.cs.utah.edu (8.6.10/utah-2.15sun-leaf) id IAA27226; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 08:36:09 -0600 From: bangell@cs.utah.edu (bob angell) Message-Id: <199606041436.IAA27226@venus.cs.utah.edu> Subject: Dock Station II Forsale To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 08:36:08 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text I thought this might be of some interest to someone on this list. I have a DockStation II forsale (used about 4 months) which includes: - 1 5.25" and 3.5" internal bays (have 5.25" mount kit for 3.5" devices included) - Built-in speakers, SCSI, and two slots for network cards, etc. - Also includes the shelf for an external monitor. I do not think I will include lexmark trackpoint keyboard as I *really* like this one!!! - Supports 36XX, 750XX, 755XX and 760XX series of laptops. - External jacks for audio, serial, parallel, etc. IBM wants over $800 (plus tax) for the above combo new, I will cover the remaining months on my warranty and send it to the first $650 (which includes shipping in the lower 48 states, otherwise, we need to negotiate appropriate shipping arrangements) -Bob- -- Bob Angell, Principal-Systems(Industrial) Engineer / Author / Instructor Applied Information & Management Systems, 1238 Fenway Ave., SLC, UT 84102 voice:(801) 583-8544 fax:(801) 582-9543 email:bangell@venus.cs.utah.edu ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Applied Information & Management Systems provides the services as follows: Intra/Internet Solutions, Lotus Notes/Internotes, Multiplatform integration Networking (TCP/IP, Netbios, NFS, DCE), Custom (AWK, PERL, C++, Visualizer), Database design/development (SQL based - DB2, SQLserver, etc.), Data Modeling Operating Systems (Warp/NT Server; AIX / HP-UX / SunOS) ============================================================================= [Disclaimer: I don't speak for the University of Utah!] From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 11:52:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26123; Tue, 4 Jun 96 11:52:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00910; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:48:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:46:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00400; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:45:58 -0400 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00388; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 11:45:54 -0400 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAB27996 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:45:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Tue, 4 Jun 96 10:45 CDT Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 10:45 CDT X-Sender: runngdog@popmail.mcs.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: runngdog@mcs.com (Dane Tyson) Subject: ED Sited - First Review Well, at long last, the first real evidence of the existence of the new Thinkpad 760ED has appeared in a "PC Wee"k comparative review, which covers a number of other 133 MHz machines as well -- AST's Ascentia J50, Compaq's LTE 5300, Dell's Latitude XPi P133ST, HP's Omnibook 5500, NEC's Versa 6030H, and Toshiba's Tecra 720CDT. Comments on the 760ED are very favorable (it beat all the competitors on the 16-bit and 32-bit CPUmark tests), except for a serious overheating problem and a flimsy memory expansion door. The online version of this review can be found at: http://www.pcweek.com/reviews/0603/03ast.html Unfortunately, the web version does not include benchmark results, which apparently do appear in the print version on page 67 (a reference appears in the online text). In the interest of freedom of information, could some kind "PC Week" subscriber please post the published benchmark results for these machines? Much thanks, Dane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 12:34:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27905; Tue, 4 Jun 96 12:34:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06175; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:31:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:28:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05539; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:28:56 -0400 Received: from mail.calweb.com (mail.calweb.com [165.90.138.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05528; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:28:49 -0400 Received: from mrcwdnbm.calweb.com (sac1-30.calweb.com account=mrcwdnbm [165.90.187.30]) by mail.calweb.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA05029 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 09:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <31B46505.2354@calweb.com> Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 09:32:05 -0700 From: Marc Weidenbaum X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: thinkpad password question References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps this is an obvious question, but I'll ask it anyhow: I'd like to add a power-up password to my Thinkpad. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thinkpad 701C 720/16 -- Marc Weidenbaum mrcwdnbm@calweb.com http://www.calweb.com/~mrcwdnbm From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 13:06:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29137; Tue, 4 Jun 96 13:06:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09089; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:02:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:58:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08755; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:58:39 -0400 Received: from vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA08738; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:58:35 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by vmedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 kells.vmedia.com) id MAA07968; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 12:54:18 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA8740; Tue, 04 Jun 96 12:53:25 -0700 Message-Id: <9606041953.AA8740@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 10AC95EC253A88338525633F005AF235; Tue, 4 Jun 96 12:53:17 EDT To: Dane Tyson Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 4 Jun 96 12:52:45 EDT Subject: Re: ED Sited - First Review X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "... In the interest of freedom of information, could some kind "PC Week" subscriber please post the published benchmark results for these machines?..." remember that this is an exhibition, not a competition, so, please, no wagering. here goes... machines: AST Ascentia J50 CTS 10 800/16 133mhz Compaq LTE 5300 133mhz Dell Latitude XPi P133ST 133mhz HP OmniBook 5500CT 133mhz IBM Thinkpad 760ED 133mhz NEC Versa 6030H 133mhz Toshiba Tecra 720CDT 133mhz Toshiba Tecra 700CDT 120mhz winstone 32: AST 64.10 Cpq 55.70 Dell 58.90 HP 55.10 IBM 67.70 NEC 60.10 T720 53.20 T700 48.30 winstone 96: AST 53.00 Cpq 47.30 Dell 51.60 HP 49.10 IBM 53.80 NEC 50.40 T720 46.30 T700 41.20 CPUmark32: AST 257 Cpq 216 Dell 212 HP 236 IBM 256 NEC 242 T720 251 T700 182 CPUmark16: AST 254 Cpq 225 Dell 227 HP 246 IBM 254 NEC 246 T720 256 T700 187 Graphics WinMark96: AST 13.70 Cpq 10.70 Dell 15.30 HP 12.90 IBM 17.40 NEC 14.90 T720 12.70 T700 9.85 Disk WinMark96: AST 521 Cpq 619 Dell 736 HP 640 IBM 828 NEC 698 T720 581 T700 555 CD-ROM WinMark96: AST n/a Cpq 413 Dell n/a HP 450 IBM 414 NEC 560 T720 592 T700 438 the thinkpad appears to have swept it except for the cd rom. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons. --Popular Mechanics, 1949 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 13:37:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00423; Tue, 4 Jun 96 13:37:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11247; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:26:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:24:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10918; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:24:24 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10911; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:24:15 -0400 Received: from ppp.shadow.net (ppp-mia-127.shadow.net [204.177.71.127]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA14806; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:28:54 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960604172215.4287556e@mail.shadow.net> X-Sender: dwhite@mail.shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 13:22:15 -0400 To: epbrown@suba.com (E P Brown), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: Nameplates At 11:42 PM 6/3/96 GMT, E P Brown wrote: > Hey, gang, I just got the little nameplate they send you for you laptop >with your name engraved on it. I only ordered it 6.5 MONTHS ago! This beats >the record set with my 355, which I sold before the plate arrived, 8 months >after purchasing the system. Well, what do you expect, it's free, huh? But >I'm curious, anyone waited even longer? No, but it's annoying because it apparently doesn't have to take that long - after I waited 4 months for one to show up, I called and complained and had one within 10 days. Amusingly, the original showed up about a week after that. *grin* Donald Alan Whiteside, Official Computer Dork for the 1996 Olympics "Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 13:56:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02326; Tue, 4 Jun 96 13:56:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13585; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:53:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:51:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13347; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:51:49 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13335; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 13:51:43 -0400 Received: from ppp-jesse (chum-27.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.8.27]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA04436 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 10:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960604175226.00750608@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 10:52:26 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: Nameplates At 01:22 PM 6/4/96 -0400, Don Whiteside wrote: >No, but it's annoying because it apparently doesn't have to take that long - >after I waited 4 months for one to show up, I called and complained and had >one within 10 days. Just another data point, mine was 4 months, but was spelled wrong, so I sent it back with the correct spelling, and never heard from them again. I didn't care enough to pursue it :) >Donald Alan Whiteside, Official Computer Dork for the 1996 Olympics >"Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. Perhaps not, but I think I'll hang onto mine, just in case. _____________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.spine.com After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 14:09:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02999; Tue, 4 Jun 96 14:09:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15916; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:06:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:02:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15283; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:02:37 -0400 Received: from pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us [206.210.65.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA15215; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 14:02:25 -0400 Received: by pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0uR0Qj-00010SC; Tue, 4 Jun 96 14:02 EDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 14:02 EDT From: jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 701 BIOS Upgrades? Folks: I (or rather my wife) have a 701C 24 MB/540 MB. Warp is the OS of choice. I am impressed by the "Butterfly", for what it was designed, namely a sub notebook, it does a good job; it is a pity that IBM decided it was obsolete. My question: The BIOS version is BUTUS2T. There are more recent versions and I was wondering what, if any, problems are corrected by them? Thanks, David Jones From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 16:19:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09593; Tue, 4 Jun 96 16:19:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01850; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:16:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:12:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01346; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:11:58 -0400 Received: from news1.radix.net (news1.radix.net [204.157.34.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA01339; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:11:55 -0400 Received: from dialin30.annex1.radix.net (dialin30.annex1.radix.net [204.157.128.60]) by news1.radix.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA23595 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:12:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199606042012.QAA23595@news1.radix.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "kevin king" To: tp750 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:12:35 -0500 Subject: Re: ED Sited - First Review Reply-To: xanadu@radix.net Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > the thinkpad appears to have swept it except for the cd rom. Although the AST looks to be a worthy competitor. Considering the probable great price difference, "swept" might be a strong word. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 16:59:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12747; Tue, 4 Jun 96 16:59:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07071; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:56:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:53:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06670; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:53:43 -0400 Received: from vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA06663; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:53:40 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by vmedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 kells.vmedia.com) id QAA20050; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:49:27 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA9259; Tue, 04 Jun 96 16:48:34 -0700 Message-Id: <9606042348.AA9259@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 90275CD07C9A5FE98525633F007180C8; Tue, 4 Jun 96 16:48:33 EDT To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 4 Jun 96 16:44:10 EDT Subject: Re: ED Sited - First Review X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...Although the AST looks to be a worthy competitor. Considering the probable great price difference, "swept" might be a strong word...." ~~~~~ pc week apparently doesn't even agree that the thinkpad topped the list. it's in the fifth position on the page, with the ast at the top in the boldest color, and ast listed before ibm in the headline. but then, pcweek never has cared much for ibm. it probably pained them to see the tp perform so well. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons. --Popular Mechanics, 1949 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 17:49:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16361; Tue, 4 Jun 96 17:49:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12664; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:47:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:46:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12517; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:46:11 -0400 Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA12510; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:46:08 -0400 Received: from pixel.execpc.com (pixel.execpc.com [169.207.8.147]) by mail.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA06137 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 16:45:55 -0500 (CDT) From: emjay@execpc.com (Tom Kustner) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: ED Sited - First Review Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 21:49:48 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <31b4af21.2899216@mailgate.execpc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 My concern is what they said about the heat the 760ED kicks off, saying it became very warm/hot. Does anyone know anything further about this? Otherwise, it did fine. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: emjay@execpc.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 17:59:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16751; Tue, 4 Jun 96 17:59:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13892; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:57:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:55:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13552; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:55:29 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13540; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:55:26 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA19626; Tue, 4 Jun 96 17:53:06 EDT Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 17:53:06 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606042153.AA19626@nile.gnat.com> To: emjay@execpc.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ED Sited - First Review The 760CD also runs very hot. So what? unless you actually use your lap top on your lap, who cares? It is simply the design that the heat dissipates this way. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 18:00:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16771; Tue, 4 Jun 96 18:00:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13934; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:57:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:56:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13743; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:56:15 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13728; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 17:56:11 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA19638; Tue, 4 Jun 96 17:53:54 EDT Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 17:53:54 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606042153.AA19638@nile.gnat.com> To: emjay@execpc.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ED Sited - First Review incidentally that review is one of the most absrud pieces of nonsense I have ever read. Imagine criticizing the higher resolution of the Tecra on the grounds that it makes text hard to read! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 18:08:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17256; Tue, 4 Jun 96 18:08:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15465; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:07:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:05:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15157; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:05:52 -0400 Received: from news1.radix.net (news1.radix.net [204.157.34.41]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA15146; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:05:48 -0400 Received: from dialin62.annex1.radix.net (dialin62.annex1.radix.net [204.157.128.124]) by news1.radix.net (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA02572 for ; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:06:46 -0400 Message-Id: <199606042206.SAA02572@news1.radix.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "kevin king" To: tp750 Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:06:27 -0500 Subject: Re: ED Sited - First Review Reply-To: xanadu@radix.net Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) > The 760CD also runs very hot. So what? unless you actually use your lap top > on your lap, who cares? I use my laptop on my lap every day, even now in fact. This is not an irrelevant point. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 18:38:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18333; Tue, 4 Jun 96 18:38:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18397; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:38:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:36:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18246; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:36:36 -0400 Received: from UConnVM.UConn.Edu (uconnvm.uconn.edu [137.99.26.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA18240; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:36:32 -0400 Received: from oasis.vpia.uconn.edu by UConnVM.UConn.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Tue, 04 Jun 96 18:35:49 EDT Received: from OASIS/MERCURYQ by oasis.vpia.uconn.edu (Mercury 1.21); 4 Jun 96 18:39:35 EST Received: from MERCURYQ by OASIS (Mercury 1.21); 4 Jun 96 18:39:19 EST From: "Guy W. Farrell" Organization: The UConn Foundation, Inc. To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:39:10 EST Subject: Re: ED Sited - First Review Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <35BF8BA2961@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu> My office has a laptop "pool" from which the less-than-port- replicated may sign out a laptop. A 2 year old Toshiba Portege either drives users nuts with its subsized keyboard and screen or "its terrifically compact and light". Its logged the most miles, guestimate ~100,000, and it still computes like mile 1. Personally I hate it, but its all in the mind of the beholder. My immediate VP won't carry a laptop heavier than 5 pounds! No 760's or even 365's in her world no matter what the reviews. > From: "kevin king" Date > sent: Tue, 4 Jun 1996 18:06:27 -0500 > > From: > dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) > Date sent: Tue, 4 Jun 96 > 17:53:54 EDT > > The 760CD also runs very hot. So what? unless you > actually use your lap top > on your lap, who cares? > > I use my laptop on my lap every day, even now in fact. This is not > an irrelevant point. Guy W. Farrell Vox: (860)486-0964 My Desk Network Coordinator, Postmaster (860)486-5000 Main # The UConn Foundation, Inc. (800)269-9965 Toll-free U-Box 206 Fax: (860)486-1615 Storrs, CT 06269-4190 E-mail: gfarrell@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu Computer Support for Institutional Advancement ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 21:37:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26886; Tue, 4 Jun 96 21:37:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00881; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:37:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:28:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00123; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:28:41 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA00116; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 21:28:37 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA17600; Tue, 4 Jun 96 21:26:24 EDT Date: Tue, 4 Jun 96 21:26:24 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606050126.AA17600@nile.gnat.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu, xanadu@radix.net Subject: Re: ED Sited - First Review "I use my laptop on my lap every day, even now in fact. This is not an irrelevant point." Well it is to most people, but if indeed you use it on your lap, then the heat dissipation issue is significant. THe idea of the TP design (now there are no feet) is to dissipate heat by contact with whatever the TP is resting on, which is not too great if it is your lap! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 4 23:45:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00468; Tue, 4 Jun 96 23:45:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA10192; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:45:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:42:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09969; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:42:41 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA09963; Tue, 4 Jun 1996 23:42:39 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id DAA10499 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 03:42:32 GMT Message-Id: <199606050342.DAA10499@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip202-135-14-75.sy.au.ibm.net(202.135.14.75) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaXNEC92; Wed Jun 5 03:42:23 1996 From: "Jack Crawford" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 13:38:51 +1000 Reply-To: "Jack Crawford" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Jack Crawford's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: FOR SALE: 32MB DRAM CARD FOR THINKPAD 75x After a couple of years of trusty service, I sold my TP750Cs recently. The purchaser took my 16mb card so I have a spare 32mb Thinkpad DRAM card made by New Media for sale. I understand that it is compatible with the TP 75x line. It certainly worked fine with my 750Cs. Not being in the software business, I don't really know what current second hand values are like so I thought I would give readers of this list first refusal. If anyone is interested in purchasing the card, please respond with an offer to my E-Mail address, NOT to this list. Thanks in advance Jack Crawford jgcrawf@ibm.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 07:52:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23016; Wed, 5 Jun 96 07:52:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18610; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:52:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:47:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18274; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:47:13 -0400 Received: from igate.ska.com (firewall-user@igate.ska.com [198.240.202.195]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA18255; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 07:46:32 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by igate.ska.com (8.7.3/8.6.11) id NAA28275; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:40:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mx1.ska.com(159.122.160.4) by igate.ska.com via smap (g3.0.3) id xma028273; Wed, 5 Jun 96 13:39:50 +0200 Received: from firestorm.foa.ska.com (firestorm.foa.ska.com [159.122.18.221]) by mx1.ska.com (8.7.5+phmap-1.3/8.7.3/MX1-02-APR-96) with ESMTP id NAA05369; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:45:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from fs@localhost) by firestorm.foa.ska.com (8.6.12+phmap-1.2/8.6.9) id NAA17369; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:43:35 +0200 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:43:35 +0200 From: Frank Sheeran Message-Id: <199606051143.NAA17369@firestorm.foa.ska.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, emjay@execpc.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ED Sited - First Review Besides, as the Beatles said, "Happiness... is a warm laptop." From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 10:58:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29028; Wed, 5 Jun 96 10:58:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03888; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:57:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:53:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03368; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:53:48 -0400 Received: from biobase.dk (biobase.dk [130.225.13.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA03361; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:53:46 -0400 Received: by biobase.dk; id AA15803; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:55:40 +0200 From: Paulo Magalhaes Message-Id: <9606051455.AA15803@biobase.dk> Subject: Excellent service To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:55:40 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Just a brief note to state publicly the excellent service delivered by Bill Schwartz (regular reader of this list) and his company. Faxed an order after lunch yesterday and I have a new memory card already installed in my ThinkPad 750Cs. -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 11:39:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00344; Wed, 5 Jun 96 11:39:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA08007; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:39:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:38:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07893; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:38:18 -0400 Received: from kodakr.kodak.com (kodakr.kodak.com [150.220.251.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA07887; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:38:16 -0400 Received: from Horizon.kodak.com ([129.126.232.5]) by kodakr.kodak.com with SMTP id AA15785 (5.67b/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:35:26 -0400 Received: by Horizon.kodak.com with Microsoft Mail id <31B5D421@Horizon.kodak.com>; Wed, 05 Jun 96 11:38:25 PDT From: "King, Randall" To: tp750 Subject: Question about 365's... Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 11:38:00 PDT Message-Id: <31B5D421@Horizon.kodak.com> Encoding: 15 TEXT X-Mailer: Microsoft Mail V3.0 Hello everyone, I have a question about the new 365 line. It was my understanding earlier that the machine did not have the same modular design as the 75x line. In other words, you couldn't yank the hard drive, and insert another without using tools. Now it looks like I was wrong. Is it true that you can swap out the hard drives by lifting the keyboards, like on other Thinkpads? Are the drives that they use in the 365 compatible with any other machines? Just wondering.... RK rjking@kodak.com #insert From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 12:18:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02540; Wed, 5 Jun 96 12:18:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12213; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:18:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:16:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11888; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:16:24 -0400 Received: from upsmot01.msn.com (upsmot01.msn.com [204.95.110.78]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11877; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:16:21 -0400 Received: from upmajb06 ([204.95.110.89]) by upsmot01.msn.com (8.6.8.1/Configuration 4) with SMTP id JAA10129 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 09:08:03 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 03:24:59 UT From: "Mike Blaszczak" Message-Id: To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Shipping a Pad I need to ship my ThinkPad 755CX ahead of me and then back during a business trip. Can anyone share their experience in doing this? I'm trying to decide if using the original box would be better than keeping it in my official ThinkPad backpack and packing that carefully. .B ekiM From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 12:23:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02735; Wed, 5 Jun 96 12:23:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12842; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:23:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:21:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12577; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:21:44 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA12571; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:21:41 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA15604; Wed, 5 Jun 96 12:19:32 EDT Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 12:19:32 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606051619.AA15604@nile.gnat.com> To: mikeblas@msn.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Shipping a Pad why not ask IBM to send you the kind of shipping box that is used for EZServ shipment, or perhaps someone on the list has one they can give you. This is MUCH safer than either of the alternatives you proposed. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 12:28:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02986; Wed, 5 Jun 96 12:28:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13469; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:28:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:26:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13196; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:26:54 -0400 Received: from dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (dragon.cnm.columbia.edu [128.59.192.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13188; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:26:51 -0400 Received: from milou.jrn.columbia.edu (milou.jrn.columbia.edu [128.59.192.33]) by dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9/sed) with SMTP id MAA06284 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:26:42 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960605162558.0073bd50@dragon.jrn.columbia.edu> X-Sender: yann@dragon.jrn.columbia.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 12:25:58 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Yann Nicolas Subject: Re: Shipping a Pad >why not ask IBM to send you the kind of shipping box that is used for >EZServ shipment, or perhaps someone on the list has one they can give >you. This is MUCH safer than either of the alternatives you proposed. Is that the box with a plastic hamac? I loved that thing. Safest shipment I ever made... Great invention... :) -- Yann Nicolas Systems Coordinator -- Columbia Graduate School of Journalism yann@jrn.columbia.edu -- http://www.columbia.edu/~yn25/soccer.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 12:30:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03077; Wed, 5 Jun 96 12:30:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13668; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:30:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:29:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13556; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:29:08 -0400 Received: from UConnVM.UConn.Edu (uconnvm.uconn.edu [137.99.26.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13532; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:29:05 -0400 Received: from oasis.vpia.uconn.edu by UConnVM.UConn.Edu (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with TCP; Wed, 05 Jun 96 12:28:24 EDT Received: from OASIS/MERCURYQ by oasis.vpia.uconn.edu (Mercury 1.21); 5 Jun 96 12:32:11 EST Received: from MERCURYQ by OASIS (Mercury 1.21); 5 Jun 96 12:32:10 EST From: "Guy W. Farrell" Organization: The UConn Foundation, Inc. To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:32:08 EST Subject: Re: Question about 365's... Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.33) Message-Id: <36DDAC66F38@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu> > From: "King, Randall" > Subject: Question about 365's... > Date: Wed, 05 Jun 96 11:38:00 PDT > It was my understanding earlier > that the machine did not have the same modular design as the 75x line. In > other words, you couldn't yank the hard drive, and insert another without > using tools. The keyboard lifts to reveal only the battery and DIMM slot. Sorry no quick swap of the hard drive etc. Guy W. Farrell Vox: (860)486-0964 My Desk Network Coordinator, Postmaster (860)486-5000 Main # The UConn Foundation, Inc. (800)269-9965 Toll-free U-Box 206 Fax: (860)486-1615 Storrs, CT 06269-4190 E-mail: gfarrell@oasis.vpia.uconn.edu Computer Support for Institutional Advancement ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 12:46:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03545; Wed, 5 Jun 96 12:46:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15341; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:46:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:44:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15099; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:44:51 -0400 Received: from earth.usa.net (wdunn@earth.usa.net [192.156.196.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15069; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:44:39 -0400 Received: (from wdunn@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id KAA21562; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:44:32 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:44:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications X-Sender: wdunn@earth To: Mike Blaszczak Cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: Shipping a Pad In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think my ThinkPads have so many frequent flier miles they are eligible for first class upgrades. . . (most of the time in or out of Denver international, famous for its appetite for luggage!) The best carrier for portable computers that I have seen is the shipping carton EZ-Serve repair uses. The interior has a plastic/rubber type hammock in which the ThinkPad is wrapped, and it is suspended inside the crate. Seems to be very effective. I just shipped a ThinkPad to Paris and was nervous about it being damaged. I called EZ serve, reported a problem, they send me a box--which I do intend to use the next time I need EZ serve--it just went to France first. Should that not meet your needs, I have shipped ThinkPads in their case which then gets wrapped in bubble wrap or with some other padding. I guess if you wanted to be super safe, I would hand carry the hard drive. Hope this helps. --wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder, CO On Wed, 5 Jun 1996, Mike Blaszczak wrote: > I need to ship my ThinkPad 755CX ahead of me and then back during a business > trip. > > Can anyone share their experience in doing this? I'm trying to decide if > using the original box would be better than keeping it in my official ThinkPad > backpack and packing that carefully. > > .B ekiM > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 12:51:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03861; Wed, 5 Jun 96 12:51:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15971; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:51:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:49:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15679; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:49:25 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15667; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:49:19 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA22564; Wed, 5 Jun 96 12:47:06 EDT Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 12:47:06 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606051647.AA22564@nile.gnat.com> To: mikeblas@msn.com, wdunn@leopard.com Subject: Re: Shipping a Pad Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu it seems a bit dubious to report a bogus problem to EZServ to get a free box .... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 12:52:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03871; Wed, 5 Jun 96 12:52:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16164; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:52:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:50:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15937; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:50:55 -0400 Received: from is.nyu.edu (root@IS.NYU.EDU [128.122.250.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA15930; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:50:53 -0400 Received: from KLENNER.NR.RES.NYU.EDU by is.nyu.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/23Sep94-1121PM) id AA04550; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:42:17 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960605164217.00698900@is.nyu.edu> X-Sender: mdk1143@is.nyu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 12:42:17 -0400 To: "Mike Blaszczak" From: Michael Klenner Subject: Re: Shipping a Pad Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu At 03:24 AM 6/5/96 UT, you wrote: >I need to ship my ThinkPad 755CX ahead of me and then back during a business >trip. > >Can anyone share their experience in doing this? I'm trying to decide if >using the original box would be better than keeping it in my official ThinkPad >backpack and packing that carefully. Mike, Were I in your situation, I'd call EZ-Serve and ask them if they might send one or two of their EZ-Serve shipping cartons. They're purpose built for shipping 'Pads. The suspension system is first rate. Perhaps you could explain that shipping your unit properly will save them some EZ-Serve repair bucks in the long-run. -Michael --- Michael Klenner East: klennerm@is.nyu.edu New York University West: mklenner@pacificnet.net Tisch School of the Arts http://pages.nyu.edu/~mdk1143 Institute of Film & Television talk: michael@24frames.com --- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 13:00:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04145; Wed, 5 Jun 96 13:00:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16845; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:59:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:58:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16670; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:58:40 -0400 Received: from mailhost.worldnet.att.net (mailhost.worldnet.att.net [204.127.129.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16645; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:58:35 -0400 Received: by mailhost.worldnet.att.net (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA03054; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:57:40 GMT Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:57:40 GMT Received: from 134.atlanta-3.ga.dial-access.att.net(199.70.150.134) by mailhost.worldnet.att.net with SMTP id A2800; Wed Jun 5 16:57:16 1996 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960605125828.14a75346@postoffice.worldnet.att.net> X-Sender: jloyless@postoffice.worldnet.att.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: "Mike Blaszczak" From: Jane Loyless Subject: Re: Shipping a Pad Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 03:24 AM 6/5/96 +0000, you wrote: >I need to ship my ThinkPad 755CX ahead of me and then back during a business >trip. > >Can anyone share their experience in doing this? I'm trying to decide if >using the original box would be better than keeping it in my official ThinkPad >backpack and packing that carefully. > Well, I've done both and not had a problem, but couldn't you call and get one of the EZ-Serv boxes Fed-Ex uses for service? We usually try to keep a couple on hand just in case we need to ship a TP for service (or anything else). Jane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 13:00:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04205; Wed, 5 Jun 96 13:00:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA16892; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:00:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:58:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16678; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:58:40 -0400 Received: from chelsea.ios.com (root@chelsea.ios.com [198.4.75.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16640; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:58:32 -0400 Received: (from ingerman@localhost) by chelsea.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id MAA12685; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:58:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:58:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark M. Ingerman" X-Sender: ingerman@chelsea.ios.com To: Thinkpad Forum Subject: Win95 eithernet and token-ring Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a 755CX with both an eithernet and token-ring PCMCIA cards. I am trying to configure it so that either card works as well as the mwave ( which apparently takes 3 interrupts for DSP, mode, and sound blaster support ). I want to carry both cards in my computer because I bounce back and forth between my LAN (eithernet ) and my customer's LAN ( token-ring ). The problem is that I run out of interrupts. What I would like to do is have the twocards share the same interrupt and disable one card ( I never use both at the same time ).. But, this doen't seem to work. By the time the machine is botted, neither card is working correctly. Even if I stop one, the other isn't right. I would prefer not to have to remove either card to use the other ( I would just forget one card sometime and I don't want to be continually addeing and removing cards ). Any ideas? I have tried to come up with a configuration with no confilcts, but to no avail.. Mark M. Ingerman Creative Software Solutions, Inc. ingerman@cs2.com (508) 394-5899 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 13:16:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05082; Wed, 5 Jun 96 13:16:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18788; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:16:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:15:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18606; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:15:20 -0400 Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA18595; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:15:17 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA22537; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:14:47 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:14:47 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199606051714.KAA22537@netcom9.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: heat dissipation I find the high temperature of my 755cx somewhat alarming and it sounds like it might be worse with the 760. I had thought the purpose of the feet was (a) to tilt the keyboard and (b) to provide airflow under the machine for cooling. The 760 has a tilt mechanism under the keyboard itself and got rid of the feet, so I thought they had somehow made it run cooler. I *do* use my 755cx on my lap all the time, usually while sitting up in bed. The high temperature isn't that uncomfortable but it does make me fear for the machine's reliability. I use one of the Silicon Sports palmrest/laptop pads or else the heat would really get to me. Once I tried putting the sleeping bag I use as a blanket over my lap and the laptop on top of that, but then the laptop got *really* hot (the sleeping bag is a good insulator so there was *nowhere* for the heat to go, not even into the air). Right now my 755cx is on loan to a co-worker for a trip, and I'm typing (in bed) on an old Toshiba T1000SE, which is almost the ideal laptop for this type of use. It's a shame nobody makes anything like this any more. The T1000SE is an 8086 based laptop with a very good keyboard, nonvolatile ramdisk, one floppy, and *no* hard drive to make noise. Plus, it runs very cool. (The most annoying noise comes from the LCD backlight, maybe I need to squirt some RTV sealant into it or something). You'd think with modern technology they could make something comparable but nicer, but they keep messing it up :-(. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 13:57:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06913; Wed, 5 Jun 96 13:57:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22075; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:57:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:53:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21640; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:53:07 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21633; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:53:04 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA06473; Wed, 5 Jun 96 13:48:53 EDT Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 13:48:53 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606051748.AA06473@nile.gnat.com> To: phr@netcom.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: heat dissipation "I find the high temperature of my 755cx somewhat alarming and it sounds like it might be worse with the 760. I had thought the purpose of the feet was (a) to tilt the keyboard and (b) to provide airflow under the machine for cooling. The 760 has a tilt mechanism under the keyboard itself and got rid of the feet, so I thought they had somehow made it run cooler." What air flow? there is no fan here. Air is a pretty good insulator, dependeing on the surface you put it on, you probably do better with the feet not used, from a cooling point of view. I think the 760CD and 755CX are pretty similar, having used both, in terms of heat. It is true that it gets quite hot, this is intended as part of the design I guess. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 14:11:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07282; Wed, 5 Jun 96 14:11:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23572; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:10:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:08:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23130; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:08:13 -0400 Received: from relay-1.mail.sonnet.co.uk (relay-1.mail.sonnet.co.uk [195.224.0.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23103; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:08:05 -0400 Received: from whg.sonnet.co.uk (whg.sonnet.co.uk [193.82.86.2]) by relay-1.mail.sonnet.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA24722 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:50:41 +0100 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960605190746.26cfd224@gpo.sonnet.co.uk> X-Sender: whg@gpo.sonnet.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 19:07:46 +0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Martin Lyngvig Subject: Mount 3rd party harddisk in TP 360C caddy/shell? I want to add a bigger harddisk to my ThinkPad 360C, and preferable at a low cost. Buying an original IBM harddisk for it is pretty expensive, so I opened the plastic caddy where my 340Mb harddisk is mounted inside. It looks like a pretty normal 2.5 inch harddisk (44 pins) but I am not sure if I can just yank the connector off and mount another harddisk inside the caddy. Have anyone tried to do that on their TP 360? Would the BIOS recognize the new harddisk? What problems should I expect? -Martin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Lyngvig, London, United Kingdom email: martini@acm.org "The sound of tireless voices is the price we pay for the right to hear the music of our own opinions."-Adlai E. Stevenson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 14:11:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07283; Wed, 5 Jun 96 14:11:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23567; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:10:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:08:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23131; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:08:12 -0400 Received: from relay-1.mail.sonnet.co.uk (relay-1.mail.sonnet.co.uk [195.224.0.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23100; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:08:03 -0400 Received: from whg.sonnet.co.uk (whg.sonnet.co.uk [193.82.86.2]) by relay-1.mail.sonnet.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA24699 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:50:37 +0100 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960605190741.2e3f1166@gpo.sonnet.co.uk> X-Sender: whg@gpo.sonnet.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 19:07:41 +0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Martin Lyngvig Subject: How big harddisk can a 360C accept? I've got a 360C (SX/33) with 340Mb drive. I'd like to put a bigger harddisk in it, but to keep the cost down it should be a 3rd party harddisk. IBM has told me it originally came with 340Mb or 540Mb, so I can only add up to 540Mb. Other places I have read that it can accept 720Mb. I wonder what the max size would be if I *don't* want to make a flash BIOS upgrade. My 360C has a power problem so I can't be 100% confident that the battery can power it during the flash BIOS upgrade. My BIOS have part# 89G5704 and is dated 09/02/94. So, in short, how big a harddisk can I mount in the TP without having to make a BIOS upgrade? If you happen to know how big it can be with a BIOS upgrade too, please let me know. -Martin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Lyngvig, London, United Kingdom email: martini@acm.org "The sound of tireless voices is the price we pay for the right to hear the music of our own opinions."-Adlai E. Stevenson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 14:11:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07291; Wed, 5 Jun 96 14:11:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23640; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:11:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:08:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23120; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:08:12 -0400 Received: from relay-1.mail.sonnet.co.uk (relay-1.mail.sonnet.co.uk [195.224.0.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA23101; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:08:03 -0400 Received: from whg.sonnet.co.uk (whg.sonnet.co.uk [193.82.86.2]) by relay-1.mail.sonnet.co.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA24682 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:50:31 +0100 Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960605190735.240fe2a0@gpo.sonnet.co.uk> X-Sender: whg@gpo.sonnet.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 19:07:35 +0000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Martin Lyngvig Subject: ThinkPad battery - for which TP? I got a spare ThinkPad battery with my 360C when I bought it 2nd hand. However, the battery doesn't fit in the 360C. I tried to talk with IBM, but they say they can't find the part# in their database, so I can't identify which ThinkPad it fits. I hope someone on the list can tell me which model(s) it will work with. The battery is completely new, and the following id's exists: The box is marked: IBM ThinkPad NiMH Battery Pack ID# 49G2166 The battery is marked: ASM P/N 44G3740 FRU P/N 44G3811 NOM 10.8V, 2.9AH, Ni-MH Batterie The same label that specifies the above have P/N 49G1116, but I assume that is the P/N for the label itself. On the other side of the battry is a caution label with P/N 54G0985, but again, that's probably the labels P/N. The documentation consist of 2 pieces of paper, one "Statement of Limited Warranty" without a P/N, and one piece with some warnings and this information: "Part Number: 49G2125". The battery is black and have what looks like a locking plate mounted on the end opposite the 6 connectors. This black locking plate may be a part of the ThinkPads outer box when the battery is mounted. The battery is rectangular and measures 5 11/16 inch (14.3 cm) by 4 3/16 inch (10.7 cm). If you know which ThinkPad(s) it will fit in, please let me know. Thanks. -Martin ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin Lyngvig, London, United Kingdom email: martini@acm.org "The sound of tireless voices is the price we pay for the right to hear the music of our own opinions."-Adlai E. Stevenson ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 14:26:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07892; Wed, 5 Jun 96 14:26:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25348; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:26:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:24:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25046; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:24:23 -0400 Received: from earth.usa.net (wdunn@earth.usa.net [192.156.196.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25035; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 14:24:20 -0400 Received: (from wdunn@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id MAA01458; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:24:01 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:24:00 -0600 (MDT) From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications X-Sender: wdunn@earth To: Robert Dewar Cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: Shipping a Pad In-Reply-To: <9606051647.AA22564@nile.gnat.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I _know_ that will use that box to send a thinkpad to EZ serve repair. I have also reused boxes after they have come back from EZ serve. I don't make a habit of it--just trying to come up with several different options. --wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder, CO From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 15:25:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12578; Wed, 5 Jun 96 15:25:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01940; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:23:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:19:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01249; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:19:42 -0400 Received: from vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01237; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:19:33 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by vmedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 kells.vmedia.com) id PAA29886; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:15:25 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0363; Wed, 05 Jun 96 15:14:30 -0700 Message-Id: <9606052214.AA0363@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 3F59950423EB621F8525634000694EF9; Wed, 5 Jun 96 15:13:49 EDT To: "Mark M. Ingerman" Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 5 Jun 96 15:16:17 EDT Subject: Re: Win95 eithernet and token-ring X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...What I would like to do is have the twocards share the same interrupt and disable one card ( I never use both at the same time ).. ..." ~~~~~ assuming there is one interrupt that both cards can individually use, this may work: in your system control panel, go to the 'hardware profiles' tab & copy the current configuration to a new name, so you have two identical configurations. restart & go to device manager. disable one card for one configuration & the other card for the other configuration. if either conflicts with something else in it's respective configuration, you can go into the properties of any pnp device & force it to a different interrupt. this is what i did to get an external mouse to work when it's present, and get the trackpoint to work when the mouse isn't present. of course, the presence of the mouse tells win95 which configuration to use. i don't know how you'll get win95 to decide which to use at any given time. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons. --Popular Mechanics, 1949 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 15:27:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12589; Wed, 5 Jun 96 15:27:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01944; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:23:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:18:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01146; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:18:53 -0400 Received: from netcom17.netcom.com (phr@netcom17.netcom.com [192.100.81.130]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA01118; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:18:42 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom17.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA27056; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:18:34 -0700 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:18:34 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199606051918.MAA27056@netcom17.netcom.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: heat dissipation "I find the high temperature of my 755cx somewhat alarming and it sounds like it might be worse with the 760. I had thought the purpose of the feet was (a) to tilt the keyboard and (b) to provide airflow under the machine for cooling. The 760 has a tilt mechanism under the keyboard itself and got rid of the feet, so I thought they had somehow made it run cooler." What air flow? there is no fan here. Air is a pretty good insulator, dependeing on the surface you put it on, you probably do better with the feet not used, from a cooling point of view. With the feet up, as the air underneath the machine gets warm, it can escape around the sides of the machine taking the heat with it. Putting the computer on top of a soft, insulating surface such as a sleeping bag makes it run a LOT hotter. I think the 760CD and 755CX are pretty similar, having used both, in terms of heat. It is true that it gets quite hot, this is intended as part of the design I guess. It is scary and makes me fear for the computer's long term reliability. I'd be afraid to leave it in unattended 24*7 operation, for example. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 15:37:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13263; Wed, 5 Jun 96 15:37:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03012; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:31:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:30:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02789; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:30:01 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02781; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:29:57 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA28029; Wed, 5 Jun 96 15:27:04 EDT Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 15:27:04 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606051927.AA28029@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, phr@netcom.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: heat dissipation "It is scary and makes me fear for the computer's long term reliability. I'd be afraid to leave it in unattended 24*7 operation, for example." This fear is unfounded, IBM says there is no problem from this point of view, and my TP 760 is on 24x7 always. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 15:37:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13276; Wed, 5 Jun 96 15:37:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03411; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:34:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:32:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03271; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:32:24 -0400 Received: from vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03255; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:32:19 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by vmedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 kells.vmedia.com) id PAA00091; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:27:55 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0391; Wed, 05 Jun 96 15:27:00 -0700 Message-Id: <9606052227.AA0391@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id F62705CB4E51DF8A85256340006A2D77; Wed, 5 Jun 96 15:26:54 EDT To: "Mike Blaszczak" Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 5 Jun 96 15:25:01 EDT Subject: Re: Shipping a Pad X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...Can anyone share their experience in doing this? I'm trying to decide if using the original box would be better than keeping it in my official ThinkPad backpack and packing that carefully...." ~~~~~ i've shipped several of them across the country & back in the original box & foam, and i've never had a problem. it's no more difficult and no bigger than the ezserve box-- although the ezserve box would appear to be more shock-resistant. in fact, i keep several tp boxes on hand for just that purpose. the extra cardboard box inside is the perfect place to throw in spare batteries, pigtails, etc. Michael J. Verne michael_verne@vmedia.com Systems Analyst, Ventana Communications Group http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ Computers in the future may weigh no more than 1.5 tons. --Popular Mechanics, 1949 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 15:52:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14091; Wed, 5 Jun 96 15:52:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05201; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:49:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:48:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04903; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:47:59 -0400 Received: from interramp.com (pop3.interramp.com [38.8.32.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA04896; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:47:48 -0400 Received: from us027545.interramp.com by interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-pop-local) id PAA12743; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:47:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:47:39 -0400 Message-Id: <199606051947.PAA12743@interramp.com> X-Sender: us027545@pop3.interramp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Excellent service At 04:55 PM 6/5/96 +0200, you wrote: >Just a brief note to state publicly the excellent service delivered >by Bill Schwartz (regular reader of this list) and his company. Faxed >an order after lunch yesterday and I have a new memory card already >installed in my ThinkPad 750Cs. Ditto. I ordered a 8 meg DIMM for my 760C. He said Tuesday, and it was here Tuesday. Price was excellent too. Very professional and prompt. I would recommend Bill (personally) and his company. C:\Mark_Bell\800_College_Drive_#104\Vineland_NJ\08360\6093274029 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 16:01:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14510; Wed, 5 Jun 96 16:01:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA06099; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:57:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:55:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05817; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:55:28 -0400 Received: from onyx.interactive.net (root@onyx.interactive.net [204.97.113.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA05784; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:55:17 -0400 Received: from columbus (daver@onyx.interactive.net [204.97.113.2]) by onyx.interactive.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA06058; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:56:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199606051956.PAA06058@onyx.interactive.net> Reply-To: From: "David W. Young" To: , "Martin Lyngvig" Subject: Re: ThinkPad battery - for which TP? Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 15:50:51 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I got a spare ThinkPad battery with my 360C when I bought it 2nd hand. > However, the battery doesn't fit in the 360C. I tried to talk with IBM, but > they say they can't find the part# in their database, so I can't identify > which ThinkPad it fits. I hope someone on the list can tell me which > model(s) it will work with. Part number #44G3740 is a ThinkPad 720C battery. It slides into the front of a 720C (presumably also a 700/720, since they're similar models) and the locking plate up front snaps it into place. It also so happens that I need another battery for my 720C :) If you're interested in selling it (too bad you're in the UK, shipping might be a bitch), let me know. -- David W. Young Internet Systems Consultant Internet: dwy@ace.net Tel: 201.798.5217 Pager: 917.537.0089 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 17:01:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18033; Wed, 5 Jun 96 17:01:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA12438; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:58:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:55:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11888; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:55:08 -0400 Received: from nvc.cc.ca.us (nvcc.nvc.cc.ca.us [198.94.160.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA11815; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:55:01 -0400 Received: by nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M-FZ-1.0) id AA16171; Wed, 5 Jun 96 13:52:19 -0700 Received: from spigot by marauder.nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67f2/NX3.0M-FZ-1.1) id AA01337; Wed, 5 Jun 96 13:51:45 -0700 Received: by spigot.marauder.nvc.cc.ca.us (NX5.67f2/NX3.0X) id AA00308; Wed, 5 Jun 96 13:51:41 -0700 From: "Chris Osborn" Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 13:51:39 PDT Reply-To: fozztexx@nvc.cc.ca.us To: "Robert Dewar" Subject: Re: heat dissipation Cc: phr@netcom.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9606051748.aa06473@nile.gnat.com> References: <9606051748.aa06473@nile.gnat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mynah 0.8ca i386) X-Nextstep-Mailer: Mynah 0.8ca i386 Message-Id: Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=Us-Ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit On Jun. 05 96, 10:48 PDT, "Robert Dewar" wrote: > What air flow? there is no fan here. Air is a pretty good insulator, > dependeing on the surface you put it on, you probably do better > with the feet not used, from a cooling point of view. Strangely enough, heat rises. By tilting the computer with the feet, you have angled it giving the air a path to flow from. As the air is heated, it will rise and allow cool air to come in and start the process all over again. The computer will stay cooler by tilting it with the feet than by pressing it against something, *unless* that something you can press it against makes a good heat sink. A wooden table is *not* going to make a good heat sink. My waterbed on the other hand *will*. --- Chris Osborn, Network Administrator Voice: 707 253 3130 Napa Valley College Fax: 707 253 3063 2277 Napa-Vallejo Hwy., Napa, CA, 94558 MIME ok, NeXTMail tolerated From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 19:31:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24305; Wed, 5 Jun 96 19:31:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24952; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:28:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:26:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24763; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:26:12 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org (SYSTEM@[192.67.173.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA24749; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:26:04 -0400 Received: from Eisner.DECUS.Org by Eisner.DECUS.Org (PMDF V4.2-12 #4291) id <01I5K7ANCYU80016I0@Eisner.DECUS.Org>; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:25:44 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 19:25:43 -0400 (EDT) From: billy@mix.com Subject: Re: Shipping a Pad In-Reply-To: Sender: YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <834017143.951224.YOUDELMAN@Eisner.DECUS.Org> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Mail-System-Version: I'd just like to add I think it's a good idea to take out the battery and pack it spearately from the Thinkpad when shipping. It's a lot of mass - why take chances? Mine arrived from IBM like this, by the way. Billy Y.. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 20:31:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26733; Wed, 5 Jun 96 20:31:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28542; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:30:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:26:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28316; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:26:29 -0400 Received: from ctpsun.ciw.edu (ctpsun.ciw.edu [192.70.249.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28306; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:26:26 -0400 Received: from [192.70.249.38] (mac38.ciw.edu [192.70.249.38]) by ctpsun.ciw.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id UAA28256 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606060026.UAA28256@ctpsun.ciw.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:26:40 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu (Victor Kress) Subject: Re: heat dissipation Regardless of how the computer was designed to get rid of heat, there are two issues which concern me: Large temperature cycles tend to fatigue connections and components. From what I am told this is the principle mode of computer failure. Assuming the competitors generate less heat (not just dissipate more heat), heat generated = battery power wasted. ---------------------------- Victor Kress Geophysical Laboratory 5251 Broad Branch Road N.W. Washington, D.C. 20015-1305 (202) 686-2410 x2489 web page: http://granite.ciw.edu/~kress --------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 20:36:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27209; Wed, 5 Jun 96 20:36:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA29024; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:35:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:34:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28842; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:34:00 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA28832; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:33:40 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA06170; Wed, 5 Jun 96 20:31:29 EDT Date: Wed, 5 Jun 96 20:31:29 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606060031.AA06170@nile.gnat.com> To: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: heat dissipation "Assuming the competitors generate less heat (not just dissipate more heat), heat generated = battery power wasted." But we have no evidence that this is the case! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 21:21:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28978; Wed, 5 Jun 96 21:21:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02791; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:20:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:18:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02628; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:18:34 -0400 Received: from upsmot01.msn.com (upsmot01.msn.com [204.95.110.78]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA02622; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:18:32 -0400 Received: from upmajb02.msn.com (upmajb02.msn.com [204.95.110.74]) by upsmot01.msn.com (8.6.8.1/Configuration 4) with SMTP id SAA28966 for ; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:10:12 -0700 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 01:17:37 UT From: "Mike Blaszczak" Message-Id: Cc: "thinkpad" Subject: RE: Shipping a Pad From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications > I would hand carry the hard drive. Thanks. But that's not an option: I'm riding my motorcycle cross-country to make it to a conference where I'll be doing some presentations. I don't think the vibrations on the bike will be much good for the computer, so I want to send it ahead. > EZ-Serve I've never heard of EZ-Serve, but you and lots of other people recommended their boxes. Who are they and how do I contact them? .B ekiM From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 5 21:28:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29162; Wed, 5 Jun 96 21:28:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03513; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:27:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:25:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03373; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:25:57 -0400 Received: from goldilocks.LCS.MIT.EDU (goldilocks.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA03366; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:25:54 -0400 Received: from ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu (ursa-minor-home.lcs.mit.edu) by goldilocks.LCS.MIT.EDU (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA18649; Wed, 5 Jun 96 21:25:48 EDT Received: (from ilh@localhost) by ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id VAA04202; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:24:56 -0400 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:24:56 -0400 Message-Id: <199606060124.VAA04202@ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu> To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Cc: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: heat dissipation In-Reply-To: your message of 5 June 1996 References: <9606060031.AA06170@nile.gnat.com> From: Lee Hetherington Robert Dewar writes: | "Assuming the competitors generate less heat (not just dissipate more heat), | heat generated = battery power wasted." | | But we have no evidence that this is the case! Especially since they must all use the same Intel Pentium chip, which must generate most of the heat. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 01:49:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11557; Thu, 6 Jun 96 01:49:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21419; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 01:47:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 01:40:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20935; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 01:40:30 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA20923; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 01:40:27 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) for id BAA18378; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 01:41:26 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 01:41:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" Reply-To: "John H. Kim" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: "Repair opinions wanted" followup In-Reply-To: <199606060124.VAA04202@ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To recap, there were four problems. Not my fault: lid cracked, battery wouldn't stay in. My fault: lower case cracked, keyboard partially detached. IBM refused to fix any of it under warranty. I decided to pay the $516 to get everything except the upper lid fixed. $195 for the lower case, $151 for the keyboard, $175 for shipping and labor (flat rate). It turns out the battery latches to the lower case, not the motherboard, so in essence I'm paying to fix everything I broke. I'm still pissed that they won't fix the top lid, and I'm not sure how any future damage to it will be handled (if its true as someone else wrote me that the lids are extremely vulnerable to cracking). I'm also disappointed prices for spare parts seem to be based on the $4799 price the TP701 was originally introduced at, not the recent discount prices. Answering a few questions following my original post: The loose battery wasn't impairing my work because I was running the machine off AC. It was useless as a portable with the loose battery, other than my being able to bring the machine out to a field site (a ship) with less hassle than a desktop. The crack on the lid is on the right hand side, not between the keyboard and the LCD. I noticed it immediately when I got it back from the previously repair because that's where I hold it to pick the Pad up. Before I sent it, the Pad had felt sturdy as a rock. After I got it back, I felt a distinct pop as the crack allowed the part of the lid to expand past its mounting. I had no problems with speed or courtesy of service (with one exception). My gripe was that my experience with past repairs led me to believe IBM was operating under the principle that "the customer is always right." Well, they didn't believe me when I told them some of the damage wasn't my fault. End of story. In the previous EZ-Serv, the main problem was a hard drive failure while repartitioning. The rep I spoke with was almost hostile with me. I spent five minutes trying to convince him that it's OK for users to repartition the hard drive, which shouldn't subsequently fail. He gave me an EZ-Serv number with the ominous warning (in a threatening tone) "But if they find something on the hard drive to indicate you did something improper, they will charge you for it." I also tried to get my 750's battery replaced last month. The rep dug through his notes and determined the 750's battery was only covered for one year. That was news to me since the Thinkpad ads back then had never mentioned this. I searched through the owner's manual and lo-and-behold he was right. Given they replaced a battery without questions just six months prior (nearly 2 years after my original purchase) and my other recent experiences and you see why I think IBM is tightening their liberal repair policies. All this has led me to wonder. All my EZ-Servs with my TP750 have been in 48 hours or less. They were at the North Carolina repair facility. All my TP701 EZ-Servs have been at Tennessee, and have taken about a week (in the most recent repair, 3 days before they notified me there was a problem, 2 more days after I agreed to pay to fix it). Is IBM servicing the top-of-the-line 75x/76x machines better than the 3xx/5xx/70x? I want to get to the bottom of this before I take Thinkpads off my "highly recommended" list. IBM's service is what made the difference to me. -- John H. Kim There are only two industries that call their jokim@mit.edu customers 'users,' and one of them is illegal. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 02:11:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11946; Thu, 6 Jun 96 02:11:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22674; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 02:09:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 02:08:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22597; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 02:08:02 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (root@chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA22591; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 02:08:00 -0400 Received: from ppp.usc.edu (comserv-g-66.usc.edu [128.125.223.210]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id XAA19329; Wed, 5 Jun 1996 23:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960606061045.006a94b8@scf.usc.edu> X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 05 Jun 1996 23:10:45 -0700 To: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Randy Whittle Subject: Re: heat dissipation At 08:31 PM 6/5/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >"Assuming the competitors generate less heat (not just dissipate more heat), >heat generated = battery power wasted." > >But we have no evidence that this is the case! Basic laws of thermodynamics and conservation of matter (and energy) provide all the evidence--actually solid *proof*--you need. *Anytime* heat is generated, that means power has been wasted (unless that heat was generated for a purpose and captured for that purpose--but I assure you, nobody buys computers to use them as space heaters). ------- Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu USC Graduate School of Business http://www-scf.usc.edu/~whittle Women often ask, "What do men really want, deep in their souls?" The best answer--based on in-depth analysis of the complex and subtle interplay of thought, instinct, and emotion that constitutes the male psyche--is that deep in their souls, men want to watch stuff go 'bang'. - Dave Barry, October 2, 1994 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 05:31:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17960; Thu, 6 Jun 96 05:31:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11901; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:27:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:24:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10825; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:24:10 -0400 Received: from eros.britain.eu.net (eros.Britain.EU.net [192.91.199.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10813; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:24:04 -0400 Received: from qtlon.quantime.co.uk by eros.britain.eu.net via UKIP with SMTP (PP) id ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:23:31 +0100 Received: from tiree.quantime.co.uk (tiree) by quantime.co.uk; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:23:11 +0100 Received: from ajuddp.quantime.co.uk by tiree.quantime.co.uk; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:25:01 +0100 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960606092354.0074b7c8@tiree.quantime.co.uk> X-Sender: ajudd@tiree.quantime.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 10:23:54 +0100 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Alex Judd Subject: IBM MWave Internet Phone Cc: ajudd@quantime.co.uk I thought you all might to know that IBM have released a BETA version of their Internet Phone. It's free to download, is designed for MWave, has real pictures of Thinkpad's using it (so we know it works), and can be obtained from the following address http://www.internet.ibm.com/icphone/index.htm Alex (Thanks to the guys at the MWave list for the advance info). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 05:31:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17961; Thu, 6 Jun 96 05:31:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11911; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:27:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:23:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10542; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:23:20 -0400 Received: from igate.ska.com (firewall-user@igate.ska.com [198.240.202.195]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10306; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 05:22:29 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by igate.ska.com (8.7.3/8.6.11) id LAA12823; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:15:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mx1.ska.com(159.122.160.4) by igate.ska.com via smap (g3.0.3) id xma012821; Thu, 6 Jun 96 11:15:30 +0200 Received: from firestorm.foa.ska.com (firestorm.foa.ska.com [159.122.18.221]) by mx1.ska.com (8.7.5+phmap-1.3/8.7.3/MX1-02-APR-96) with ESMTP id LAA20449; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:21:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from fs@localhost) by firestorm.foa.ska.com (8.6.12+phmap-1.2/8.6.9) id LAA01895; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:19:15 +0200 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:19:15 +0200 From: Frank Sheeran Message-Id: <199606060919.LAA01895@firestorm.foa.ska.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, phr@netcom.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: heat dissipation Think of your computer as a fancy heater. Basically, all the power consumed by your computer (say, from battery) is converted sooner or later into 100% heat, light, and other electromagnetic radiation. I'd guess the majority goes to heat. That heat can either stay in the box and raise the temperature alot, or the heat can come out of the box. Given two comperable laptops (both with laptop-engineered Pentiums, equivalent memory, etc.) you'll get more or less the same power draw. One that has the equivalent of sleeping bag insulation built into the case will feel nice and cool on the outside and be hot inside. One that was designed to push this heat out will therefore be cooler inside. In other words, the hotter the case, the cooler the internals. Air is an excellent insulator. Most sleeping bags, in fact, just use various materials to halt convection, keeping the air in place to increase efficiency. Any solid I can think of would probably be better. If your lap is getting hot, that is a sure sign that you are sucking heat out of the computer, through the clothes or blankets. Uncomfortable, yes, but probably indicates your computer is cooling properly... Frank From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 06:30:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18594; Thu, 6 Jun 96 06:30:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17654; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 06:26:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 06:24:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17360; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 06:24:26 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA17349; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 06:24:22 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA27527; Thu, 6 Jun 96 06:22:11 EDT Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 06:22:11 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606061022.AA27527@nile.gnat.com> To: kress@ctpsun.ciw.edu, tp750@cs.utk.edu, whittle@usc.edu Subject: Re: heat dissipation Randy writes " Basic laws of thermodynamics and conservation of matter (and energy) provide all the evidence--actually solid *proof*--you need. *Anytime* heat is generated, that means power has been wasted (unless that heat was generated for a purpose and captured for that purpose--but I assure you, nobody buys computers to use them as space heaters)." Well I sure don't know what conservation of matter has to do with this, but any processor is going to generate heat. The amount of heat generated (and power used) depends on the processor design and the speed it runs at. If a machine runs hot, it does not mean that it is *generating* more heat, which is the only issue as far as battery life goes, but more likely that it is simply not dissipating the heat as effectively, which has nothing to do with power usage. Since most of the heat comes from the processor and related chips, two machines with the same processor at the same speed will generate about the same amount of heat. The Thinkpad *seems* to generate more heat because it is designed to run with a very hot case bottom (note that the top of the case is actually cooler than in most othr designs), and dissipate the heat by contact with what it is sitting on. This seems to work fine, and has no apparent adverse effects except ones of convenience if it is trying to dissipate its heat onto your lap (I also slightly damaged a wood surface on a table before I realized just how hot it ran). I run my thinkpad permanently on, and it is usually sitting on a padded table which I doubt is a very good heat sink, so that's a worst case, and I have had zero troubles. As for battery life, it seems comparable to other machines with the same hardware configuration, which is what one would expect. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 08:09:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20799; Thu, 6 Jun 96 08:09:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23081; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:06:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:02:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22765; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:02:30 -0400 Received: from dindin.cc.uit.no (root@dindin.Cc.Uit.No [129.242.152.44]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA22736; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:02:21 -0400 Received: from dindin.cc.uit.no (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by dindin.cc.uit.no (8.7.1/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA00753 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:03:34 +0200 Message-Id: <199606061203.OAA00753@dindin.cc.uit.no> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: display and graphics chip set of 701s X-Uri: http://www.cc.uit.no/~bjoerns/ Organization: Bjoern @ Home Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 14:03:32 +0200 From: Bjoern Stabell Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Does anyone know how many bits of each RGB component the display and graphics chip set can handle? I'm using Linux, and the SVGA X server I use doesn't seem to understand anything beyond 640x480 in 256 colors with a resolution of 6 bits in each of the three color dimensions (RGB). Anyone know of a better server or i= f better support is planned for the ct65545 chipset? Tragic. I would so much have liked to run 640x480 in 16bit on the TFT and 1024x768 in 256 colors on an external CRT. :( Is that doable with, lets say, Windows 95? Bye, --=20 Bj=F8rn Stabell From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 08:15:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20885; Thu, 6 Jun 96 08:15:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23568; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:12:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:11:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23469; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:11:11 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23461; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:11:08 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA11489; Thu, 6 Jun 96 08:09:00 EDT Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 08:09:00 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606061209.AA11489@nile.gnat.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux on thinkpad we want to put Linux on a 760ED, anyone have a good starting point? is there an FAQ which would help? What special drivers do we need etc? Thanks for any help! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 08:45:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21254; Thu, 6 Jun 96 08:45:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA26159; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:41:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:38:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25729; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:38:55 -0400 Received: from pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us [206.210.65.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA25723; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 08:38:52 -0400 Received: by pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0uReKo-00010eC; Thu, 6 Jun 96 08:38 EDT Message-Id: Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 08:38 EDT From: jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones) To: dewar@gnat.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux on thinkpad http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/tp-linux.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 10:57:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23765; Thu, 6 Jun 96 10:57:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08775; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:47:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:43:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08210; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:43:49 -0400 Received: from vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA08204; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:43:47 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by vmedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 kells.vmedia.com) id KAA13565; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 10:39:40 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA1273; Thu, 06 Jun 96 10:38:46 -0700 Message-Id: <9606061738.AA1273@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 1D84D3AB9AB165A88525634100502AEC; Thu, 6 Jun 96 10:38:45 EDT To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 6 Jun 96 10:37:08 EDT Subject: Re: Excellent service X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...>Just a brief note to state publicly the excellent service delivered >by Bill Schwartz (regular reader of this list) and his company. Ditto. I ordered a 8 meg DIMM for my 760C. He said Tuesday, and it was here Tuesday. Price was excellent too. Very professional and prompt. I would recommend Bill (personally) and his company...." ~~~~~ ok, bill, you can stop posting under different aliases now. ; ) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 11:15:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23990; Thu, 6 Jun 96 11:15:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11102; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:03:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:02:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10763; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:02:10 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA10755; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:02:05 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA26666; Thu, 6 Jun 96 10:59:37 EDT Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 10:59:37 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606061459.AA26666@nile.gnat.com> To: Michael_Verne/VENTANA.ITP@lgate.vmedia.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Excellent service what are current prices on 16 meg and 32 meg DIMS for the 760CE? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 11:35:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24441; Thu, 6 Jun 96 11:35:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14097; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:26:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:23:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13754; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:23:51 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13743; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:23:48 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id LAA19326; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:10:49 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:10:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Bjoern Stabell Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: display and graphics chip set of 701s In-Reply-To: <199606061203.OAA00753@dindin.cc.uit.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Bjoern Stabell wrote: > Does anyone know how many bits of each RGB component the display and > graphics chip set can handle [on the TP701]? The 701 uses the C&T 65545 video chipset. It isn't originally designed for 24-bit color, but IBM tweaked something to get 24-bit color to work under DOS-VESA, Windows, and OS/2. It seems to work except it requires a strange synch frequencies many monitors can't handle. On the LCD I get a wavy white line along the right side. Not that 24-bit color is useful on an LCD - I tested it and it's indistinguishable from 16-bit color on my TFT, other than being slower and the white line. The 16-bit (64k and 32k color) modes are standard, and fully supported under DOS, Windows, and OS/2. > I'm using Linux, and the SVGA X server I use doesn't seem to understand > anything beyond 640x480 in 256 colors with a resolution of 6 bits in each > of the three color dimensions (RGB). Anyone know of a better server or if > better support is planned for the ct65545 chipset? There XFree server offers minimal support for the CT65545. It'll only do 8-bit video (256 colors, or 8 bits from a palette of 18-bits, which is where Bjoern gets the "6 bits in each..." figure). It doesn't even use the video acceleration or programmable clock. You can buy the AcceleratedX server for $99. It is also limited to 8-bit color, but it does use the acceleration and programmable clock. http://www.xinside.com There's also been some pre-release work to enable the XFree server to use acceleration and 16-bit and 24-bit color. I've tried several of these "alpha" drivers without success. They put the video in an unusable mode. 5% of the time it is unrecoverable, requiring I reboot. The other 95% of the time, I can get it back to a usable mode by hitting Fn+F1. I suspect there's something simple I'm missing here, but I don't have the time or knowledge to look into it further. http://www.cygnus.com/~raeburn/ct5xx.html http://www.castle.net/X-notebook/index_linux.html > Tragic. I would so much have liked to run 640x480 in 16bit on the TFT > and 1024x768 in 256 colors on an external CRT. :( Is that doable with, > lets say, Windows 95? 1024x768 in 256 colors on an external CRT should be doable. I don't have a monitor so I haven't tried. I know the AcceleratedX drivers are capable of doing it. Tell me if you can get any of the 16-bit Linux drivers working. I use Win95 right when I need to work in 16-bit mode while still preserving Unix long-filenames. Win95 sucks up far too much disk space and RAM for the marginal improvements it gives me over Win3.1. I'd love to dump it if I could do my 16-bit color work in Linux. -- John H. Kim There are only two industries that call their jokim@mit.edu customers 'users,' and one of them is illegal. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 11:49:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24841; Thu, 6 Jun 96 11:49:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15880; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:44:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:39:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15366; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:38:46 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (root@[203.127.221.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA15348; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:38:24 -0400 Received: from dupre by lugs.org.sg with uucp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0uRhF8-00028VC; Thu, 6 Jun 96 23:45 SST Received: by dupre.lugs.org.sg (UUPC/extended 1.12r); Thu, 06 Jun 1996 22:33:29 -0800 Message-Id: <31b7cd39.dupre@dupre.lugs.org.sg> From: Elvin Tan To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 22:33:29 GMT+8 Subject: Re: display and graphics chip set of 701s Reply-To: elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 > On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Bjoern Stabell wrote: > > I'm using Linux, and the SVGA X server I use doesn't seem to understand > > anything beyond 640x480 in 256 colors with a resolution of 6 bits in each > > of the three color dimensions (RGB). Anyone know of a better server or if > > better support is planned for the ct65545 chipset? > The 701 is VGA only! It should do 16M colors though (16b color). I have a 701C myself. Just wondering, they say the chipset can show 16m color (as can be seen by the vesa or windows drivers) and the LCD can do 256 colors. Does that mean the LCD pixels can do a certain no. of colors only ? (Meaning a fixed 256 color ? Or a fixed 256 colors from 16m color ? If it's fixed, anyone got the palette?) Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 13:04:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26944; Thu, 6 Jun 96 13:04:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11202; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:05:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:03:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11034; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:03:29 -0400 Received: from ux7.cso.uiuc.edu (pantazis@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.46]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA11020; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:03:26 -0400 Received: (from pantazis@localhost) by ux7.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA144304; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:59:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 09:59:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Dennis Pantazis X-Sender: pantazis@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu To: Bjoern Stabell Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: display and graphics chip set of 701s In-Reply-To: <199606061203.OAA00753@dindin.cc.uit.no> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Bjoern Stabell wrote: > I'm using Linux, and the SVGA X server I use doesn't seem to understand > anything beyond 640x480 in 256 colors with a resolution of 6 bits in each > of the three color dimensions (RGB). Anyone know of a better server or if > better support is planned for the ct65545 chipset? The 701 is VGA only! It should do 16M colors though (16b color). Dennis -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dennis Pantazis My opinions are my own, and can not be interpreted as extensions of the Graduate Student in Civil Engineering University's official policies, University of Illinois-Urbana until they decide my opinion are (the Extended Tour of Duty continues) profitable to the institution! You can see us at: http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~pantazis ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 13:25:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27404; Thu, 6 Jun 96 13:25:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24979; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:19:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:16:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24690; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:16:02 -0400 Received: from biobase.dk (biobase.dk [130.225.13.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA24677; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:15:58 -0400 Received: by biobase.dk; id AA29837; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:17:58 +0200 From: Paulo Magalhaes Message-Id: <9606061717.AA29837@biobase.dk> Subject: GPS - source To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:17:58 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Greetings! If my memory doesn't fail me too much, I seem to remember that someone in this list had been playing with a GPS device, hooked up to a TP. I have a friend who would like to acquire one of these gizmos and, although this is not the proper forum, I thought I would ask where GPSs can be bought cheap. Thanks for all the info. -- Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 13:48:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28108; Thu, 6 Jun 96 13:48:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26966; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:41:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:39:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26717; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:39:47 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA26707; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:39:42 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27715; Thu, 6 Jun 96 13:39:32 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0063; Thu, 06 Jun 96 13:36:24 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 13:36:24 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9606061736.AA0063@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: dewar@gnat.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9606061209.AA11489@nile.gnat.com> (dewar@gnat.com) Subject: Linux on thinkpad X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 08:09:00 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) we want to put Linux on a 760ED, anyone have a good starting point? is there an FAQ which would help? What special drivers do we need etc? Thanks for any help! The main problem with the 760 series seems to be the video support (surprise). There has been considerable trouble getting the 760C to work right -- to my knowledge there is only one XFree86 server that works correctly, a patched unreleased one -- and I have heard some rumblings to the effect that none of the existing servers works on the 760E series (but this is rumor not fact). There are also some weird timing problems with the 760C, which may or may not be present in the 760E. Things to watch out for include: very bad ethernet and SCSI performance, including occasional hard crashes with SCSI, and missed LCP echo packets in PPP, causing random disconnects. The ethernet and SCSI problems are solved by using a recent development kernel and PCMCIA. I don't know of any solution to the PPP problems, just workarounds. And of course, MWave doesn't work at all, although there are some people working on fixing this. I am uncertain about whether this effort will converge. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 13:57:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28176; Thu, 6 Jun 96 13:57:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27885; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:51:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:50:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27701; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:50:18 -0400 Received: from post.larc.nasa.gov (post.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.4.45]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27684; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:50:09 -0400 Received: from express.larc.nasa.gov (express.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.4.44]) by post.larc.nasa.gov (8.7.5/pohub3.4) with ESMTP id NAA21256; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:50:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdppc (rdppc.larc.nasa.gov [128.155.46.103]) by express.larc.nasa.gov (8.7.5/posvr3.4) with SMTP id NAA07470; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:50:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960606175002.2eb73abc@pinn.net> X-Sender: partos@pinn.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 13:50:02 -0400 To: Paulo Magalhaes From: Dick Partos Subject: Re: GPS - source Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 07:17 PM 6/6/96 +0200, you wrote: >Greetings! >If my memory doesn't fail me too much, I seem to remember that someone >in this list had been playing with a GPS device, hooked up to a TP. I >have a friend who would like to acquire one of these gizmos and, although >this is not the proper forum, I thought I would ask where GPSs can be >bought cheap. Thanks for all the info. >-- >Paulo Magalhaes * Dept. Neurology, Columbia University, New York, USA >voice: (+1 212) 305 1665 ** fax: ... 305 3986 ** pm119@columbia.edu GPS's can be had for $200-300 at marine supply places like Boat US, West Marine, etc. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 14:12:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28932; Thu, 6 Jun 96 14:12:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29180; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:04:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:02:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28966; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:02:37 -0400 Received: from www.interlog.com (www.interlog.com [198.53.145.8]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28960; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:02:34 -0400 Received: from peterrei (ip93-59.tor.interlog.com [206.108.93.59]) by www.interlog.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA17558 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:02:19 -0400 Message-Id: <31B71D01.2591@interlog.com> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 14:01:37 -0400 From: Peter Reilly Reply-To: peterr@interlog.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: track-point Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello everyone! Well I've installed Linux on my ThinkPad755ce now for the difficult part configuring Xf86Config. The problem I have there is with the trackpoint. Presently it is configured as a ps/2 mouse but it doesn't work. Is there a special driver available for it, if so where can I get it? Thanks, Pete :( From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 14:12:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28937; Thu, 6 Jun 96 14:12:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29202; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:04:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:03:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29021; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:03:07 -0400 Received: from bbnplanet.com (poblano.near.net [198.114.157.116]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29013; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:03:04 -0400 Subject: Re: Linux on thinkpad To: Chris Hanson Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:02:14 -0400 (EDT) From: John Hawkinson Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9606061736.AA0063@omerie.ai.mit.edu> from "Chris Hanson" at Jun 6, 96 01:36:24 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <9606061402.aa15685@poblano.bbnplanet.com> > The main problem with the 760 series seems to be the video support > (surprise). There has been considerable trouble getting the 760C to > work right -- to my knowledge there is only one XFree86 server that > works correctly, a patched unreleased one Meaning 3.1.2E does not work properly on the 760C? > -- and I have heard some rumblings to the effect that none of the > existing servers works on the 760E series (but this is rumor not > fact). On the 760E under NetBSD, 3.1.2E works fine with the VGA server, but not with the SVGA server :-(. I haven't found anything better (or heard back from the XFree project -- maybe it's time to join?) so I'm using the VGA server. > And of course, MWave doesn't work at all, although there are some > people working on fixing this. I am uncertain about whether this > effort will converge. Do you have more info on this? (who and where?) I've found that the mwave soundblaster support works if you load the mwave drivers under DOS, but this is not the case with the mwave modem support (which is of course, more useful). --jhawk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 14:28:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29673; Thu, 6 Jun 96 14:28:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01178; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:20:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:19:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00960; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:19:18 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA00954; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:19:15 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29133; Thu, 6 Jun 96 14:19:13 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0087; Thu, 06 Jun 96 14:16:04 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 14:16:04 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9606061816.AA0087@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: jhawk@bbnplanet.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9606061402.aa15685@poblano.bbnplanet.com> (jhawk@bbnplanet.com) Subject: Linux on thinkpad X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:02:14 -0400 (EDT) From: John Hawkinson > The main problem with the 760 series seems to be the video support > (surprise). There has been considerable trouble getting the 760C to > work right -- to my knowledge there is only one XFree86 server that > works correctly, a patched unreleased one Meaning 3.1.2E does not work properly on the 760C? Well, depends on what you mean by "properly"; see below. It seems as though the patched 3.1.2D server is still the best one. > And of course, MWave doesn't work at all, although there are some > people working on fixing this. I am uncertain about whether this > effort will converge. Do you have more info on this? (who and where?) I've included the relevant message below. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 22:15:49 PDT From: "Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)" Subject: XF86-3.1.2E released and tested! I just downloaded the 3.1.2E release from ftp.xfree86.org and installed the update, and the XF86_SVGA server. Except for some fiddling with symbolic links (libX11.so.6, libXt.so.6 have to be removed first), the installation took about 5 minutes, and when I restarted X everything worked with the old XF86Config file. I have not tried the 16bpp mode yet. if any one of you is successful, please let us all know. In a few days I will remove the 3.1.2Dd server from lynx.ps.uci.edu. If I come up with a better XF86Config file, I will let you know. Regards, -- Hardy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 May 1996 22:44:41 PDT From: "Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)" Subject: Warning: new 3.1.2E server produces blank screen when exiting X. Just tried to get out of X and got a black screen; none of the other virtual consoles produced anything visible. However, I could restart the server from a telnet login (from my NeXT in the same room), I presume one can restart it by typing blindly startx. This means that one should reboot or shut down from an Xterm. I reported this to XF86. Alan, any comments? -- Hardy ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Mar 1996 00:54:24 +0100 From: Joachim Seifert Subject: Mwave for Linux IS coming ! Dear Friends, Some of you might have lost hope, but their is good news --- Mwave Support for Linux is coming. Hannu Savolainen (The Author of the TASD (former Voxware) Sounddriver) is going to port the DSP-Loader and the sound interface for us. Hannu Savolainen wrote: > > I'm very much interested in implementing mwave support to the sound > driver. My goal is to implement the driver in a way that is compatible > with IBM's OS/2, DOS and Windows drivers so that the same MWave modules > could be used in Linux. This also should make it possible to use standard > MWave development tools (MWave SDK) in developing these modules for > Linux. What is still needed is people who would do the interfacing to the Modem,Fax,(ISDN?,Voice?) Services of the Mwave-System.Hopefully using the IBM-DSP code this should not be too difficult, as one should only reproduce the handling the Windows(OS/2, DOS)-drivers do. It would be very good to have some volunteers for this matter, before searching help from IBM (In fact the lack of a lead programmer made me hesitating in contacting IBM -- this problem is now gone !). Also Linux-Friendly contact addresses from Hardware manufacturers (IBM,Miro) might be handy now. This is List as it stands now, if you'd like to add/(remove) yourself or friends. Please drop me a note. If the project gets going I'll devote a web-page to it. interested are: aoster alien@essex.ac.uk (Adrian F Clark) pepersb@cuug.ab.ca (Brad Pepers) Alvin Starr David Fox DE VITO Eric pim@nepac.ucsd.edu (Pim van Meurs) guyver@pi.net joee@netcom.com (Joe Edmonds) John Baltzer Thomas E Zerucha tkoch@informatik.hu-berlin.de (Thorsten Koch) cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) teichman@SLINKY.CS.NYU.EDU (Marek Teichmann) Joachim Seifert COMITALE LEO Sanjay Seth martin@zib-berlin.de Raul Miller teffta@erie.ge.com (Andrew R. Tefft) John Brock The following people are also willing to help in the coding: Hannu Savolainen DE VITO Eric 146599 pepersb@cuug.ab.ca (Brad Pepers) joee@netcom.com (Joe Edmonds) Yours Joachim -- Joachim Seifert | System Administrator University of Munich | Theresienstrasse 37 80333 Muenchen | Germany -------------------------------------------- E-Mail: Joachim.Seifert@Physik.Uni-Muenchen.DE WWW: : http://www.ls-wess.physik.uni-muenchen.de/~seifert From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 14:29:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29690; Thu, 6 Jun 96 14:29:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01477; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:23:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:22:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01311; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:22:05 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA01305; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:22:02 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29520; Thu, 6 Jun 96 14:21:56 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0089; Thu, 06 Jun 96 14:18:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Jun 96 14:18:48 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9606061818.AA0089@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: peterr@interlog.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <31B71D01.2591@interlog.com> (peterr@interlog.com) Subject: track-point X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 14:01:37 -0400 From: Peter Reilly Well I've installed Linux on my ThinkPad755ce now for the difficult part configuring Xf86Config. The problem I have there is with the trackpoint. Presently it is configured as a ps/2 mouse but it doesn't work. Is there a special driver available for it, if so where can I get it? The driver for the trackpoint is built in to the kernel. Depending on your kernel configuration, it might be built as a module, in which case you will have to get it loaded. Also, the device file "/dev/psmouse" is sometimes a symbolic link to somewhere else. It's possible that you're missing the link or the device file itself. Are you getting an error message from the X server? If so, what is it? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 14:55:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00301; Thu, 6 Jun 96 14:55:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04691; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:49:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:47:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04487; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:47:51 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA04480; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:47:49 -0400 Received: from [128.125.222.104] (comserv-d-32.usc.edu [128.125.222.104]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id LAA05708; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:47:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 11:48:05 -0700 To: Alex Judd , Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: whittle@usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: Re: IBM MWave Internet Phone Cc: ajudd@quantime.co.uk At 10:23 AM 6/6/96, Alex Judd wrote: >I thought you all might to know that IBM have released a BETA version of >their Internet Phone. > >It's free to download, is designed for MWave, has real pictures of >Thinkpad's using it (so we know it works), and can be obtained from the >following address Ha ha ha! If "real pictures of Thinkpads using it" meant that something really works, then I could have used my old 750C outdoors in the mountains just like the marketing brochures showed! ----- Randy Whittle whittle@usc.edu USC Graduate School of Business Women often ask, "What do men really want, deep in their souls?" The best answer--based on in-depth analysis of the complex and subtle interplay of thought, instinct, and emotion that constitutes the male psyche --is that deep in their souls, men want to watch stuff go 'bang'. - Dave Barry, October 2, 1994 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 15:21:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02206; Thu, 6 Jun 96 15:21:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA08162; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:15:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:13:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07817; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:13:07 -0400 Received: from goldilocks.LCS.MIT.EDU (goldilocks.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA07811; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:13:03 -0400 Received: from ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu by goldilocks.LCS.MIT.EDU (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA26098; Thu, 6 Jun 96 15:12:53 EDT Received: (from ilh@localhost) by ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id PAA04700; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:11:48 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:11:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199606061911.PAA04700@ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu> To: John Hawkinson Cc: Chris Hanson , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Linux on thinkpad In-Reply-To: your message of 6 June 1996 References: <9606061736.AA0063@omerie.ai.mit.edu> <9606061402.aa15685@poblano.bbnplanet.com> From: Lee Hetherington | Meaning 3.1.2E does not work properly on the 760C? Is that true? I'm still using patched 3.1.2D. Lee Hetherington ilh@lcs.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 16:03:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04108; Thu, 6 Jun 96 16:03:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13385; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:58:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:56:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13240; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:56:37 -0400 Received: from ankur.bellcore.com (ankur.bellcore.com [192.4.7.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA13222; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:56:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ankur.bellcore.com (8.6.9/8.6.10) with SMTP id PAA12261; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:56:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199606061956.PAA12261@ankur.bellcore.com> X-Authentication-Warning: ankur.bellcore.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: hira@bellcore.com Subject: ps/2 mouse under Linux on 760CD Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 15:56:14 -0400 From: Hiralal Agrawal Several days ago I had posted a message here seeking help on configuring the ps/2 mouse under Linux on my Thinkpad 760CD. When I tried to start X, it would report that the mouse was busy. Many helpful folks here had suggested (thank you all!) that the problem could be due to gpm and that killing gpm would do the trick. I turned out that gpm was not the problem in my case (I wasn't running it anyway). But the problem had something to do with a second hard disk being present in the ultra bay. To my great surprise, the problem goes away if I replace the second hard disk with the floppy drive or the cdrom. Any ideas what could be causing this? I would like the mouse to work with the second hard disk installed in the ultra bay. That way I can boot linux from one disk and win95 from the other disk without having to shuffle the two all the time (I have linux installed on a 720MB hard disk and win95 on the default 1.2G hard disk). Thanks. -- Hira. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 16:11:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04578; Thu, 6 Jun 96 16:11:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14840; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:08:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:04:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14380; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:04:50 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA14372; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:04:42 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id QAA20673; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:05:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:05:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Elvin Tan Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: display and graphics chip set of 701s In-Reply-To: <31b7cd39.dupre@dupre.lugs.org.sg> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 6 Jun 1996, Elvin Tan wrote: > I have a 701C myself. Just wondering, they say the chipset can show 16m > color (as can be seen by the vesa or windows drivers) and the LCD can > do 256 colors. Does that mean the LCD pixels can do a certain no. of > colors only ? (Meaning a fixed 256 color ? Or a fixed 256 colors from > 16m color ? If it's fixed, anyone got the palette?) It depends. :) A red pixel on an LCD will show bright red by letting all light through. It will show no red by blocking all light. Any shade of red in between is accomplished by rapidly turning the pixel on and off to generate the illusion of a not-so-bright shade of red. How many "shades" it can show simultaneously and from what size palette depend on the hardware controling the LCD (different from the video hardware). I've seen all sorts: 512 colors, 256 colors from a palette of 4096, 4096 colors, 4096 simultaneous and 256 colors from a palette of 64k, etc. Testing my 701C's TFT side by side with a monitor, I've determined it can do no more than 32k colors simultaneously. However, a Thinkpad engineer said it could do 256k colors. My guess is that it can do 32k colors simultaneously, and 256 colors from a palette of 256k colors (18 bits per pixel, or 6 bits per primary - standard VGA palette). That is, if you put it in 256 color mode and showed shades of one primary, you'd get 2^6, or 64 shades. Whereas in 32k color simultaneous mode you can only do 2^5 or 32 shades. I have yet to test this. There are a couple web sites that covers LCDs in excruciating detail: http://cal003109.student.utwente.nl/stefan/el/misc/lcd_faq.htm http://itri.loyola.edu/Displays/C3_S3.htm -- John H. Kim There are only two industries that call their jokim@mit.edu customers 'users,' and one of them is illegal. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 16:34:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06217; Thu, 6 Jun 96 16:34:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17321; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:27:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:26:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17149; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:26:32 -0400 Received: from paloalto.access.hp.com (daemon@paloalto.access.hp.com [15.254.56.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA17136; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:26:16 -0400 Received: from hpbs3591.boi.hp.com by paloalto.access.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA297932758; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 13:25:58 -0700 Received: by hpbs3591.boi.hp.com (1.37.109.8/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA08072; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:25:56 -0600 From: Brian Mahaffy Message-Id: <9606062025.AA08072@hpbs3591.boi.hp.com> Subject: Re: ps/2 mouse under Linux on 760CD To: hira@flash.bellcore.com Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 14:25:56 MDT Cc: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199606061956.PAA12261@ankur.bellcore.com>; from "Hiralal Agrawal" at Jun 06, 96 3:56 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 72.14] > > > Several days ago I had posted a message here seeking help on configuring the > ps/2 mouse under Linux on my Thinkpad 760CD. When I tried to start X, it would > report that the mouse was busy. This is due to something using up Int 12. [...] > Any ideas what could be causing this? I would like the mouse to work with the > second hard disk installed in the ultra bay. That way I can boot linux from > one disk and win95 from the other disk without having to shuffle the two all > the time (I have linux installed on a 720MB hard disk and win95 on the default > 1.2G hard disk). > > Thanks. > > -- Hira. > Hi Hira, I should have responded to this the other day, but thought it might be GPM so I didn't. You probably have PCMCIA services turned on. When you put that second disk in it chews up an interupt for the secondary ide controller. That int had been used by PCMCIA otherwise. Now when PCMCIA starts up it starts searching for another interupt to use from 15 downward. The first it finds is 12 (PS2 mouse int) and grabs it. You can verify this by 'cat'ing /proc/interrupts and seeing who has 12. You need to go into the PCMCIA sources and change the interupt scan routines to search 15->13,11->0,12 instead of 15->0. It is in modules/i82365.c around line 400. If you aren't using PCMCIA, its probably something similar with some other autoconfiged interupt using 12, /proc/interrupts will tell you. You will have to chase it down. ....Brian -- _______________________________________________________________________ Brian Mahaffy Hewlett-Packard | Any sufficiently advanced Color & Consumables Division (CCD) | technology, is indistinguishable N6UGP (208)396-7857 | from Magic! brianm@zeus.boi.hp.com | Arthur C. Clarke N6UGP@KB7CFD.ID.USA.NA | ___________________________________|___________________________________ Ask me about Linux! The Free Unix for x86 PCs ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "They, that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin 1759 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 16:49:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06854; Thu, 6 Jun 96 16:49:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19456; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:42:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:40:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19185; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:40:50 -0400 Received: from osceola.gate.net (root@osceola.gate.net [199.227.0.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA19143; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:40:38 -0400 Received: from inca.gate.net (dfbfl4-53.gate.net [198.206.134.244]) by osceola.gate.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id QAA71652 for ; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:40:05 -0400 Message-Id: <31B740B5.71D1@gate.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 16:33:57 -0400 From: rwilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM MWave Internet Phone References: <2.2.32.19960606092354.0074b7c8@tiree.quantime.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Alex Judd wrote: > > I thought you all might to know that IBM have released a BETA version of > their Internet Phone. > > It's free to download, is designed for MWave, has real pictures of > Thinkpad's using it (so we know it works), and can be obtained from the > following address > > http://www.internet.ibm.com/icphone/index.htm > > Alex > > (Thanks to the guys at the MWave list for the advance info). Has anyone else had any luck with getting Internet Phone from VocalTec or any other "phone" application running on a 760CD while using the MWave modem to log on to a PPP server? Please share any tips, pointers or war-stories... -Rob rwilson@gate.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 17:03:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07890; Thu, 6 Jun 96 17:03:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA21655; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:00:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:57:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21199; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:57:54 -0400 Received: from goldilocks.LCS.MIT.EDU (goldilocks.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21193; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:57:51 -0400 Received: from ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu by goldilocks.LCS.MIT.EDU (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA26956; Thu, 6 Jun 96 16:54:49 EDT Received: (from ilh@localhost) by ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id QAA04882; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:53:52 -0400 Date: Thu, 6 Jun 1996 16:53:52 -0400 Message-Id: <199606062053.QAA04882@ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu> To: Brian Mahaffy Cc: hira@flash.bellcore.com, Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: ps/2 mouse under Linux on 760CD In-Reply-To: your message of 6 June 1996 References: <199606061956.PAA12261@ankur.bellcore.com> <9606062025.AA08072@hpbs3591.boi.hp.com> From: Lee Hetherington Brian Mahaffy writes: | You need to go into the PCMCIA sources and change the interupt scan routines | to search 15->13,11->0,12 instead of 15->0. It is in modules/i82365.c | around line 400. | | If you aren't using PCMCIA, its probably something similar with some other | autoconfiged interupt using 12, /proc/interrupts will tell you. You will | have to chase it down. Nah. With the version of PCMCIA services that I have, you can just put exclude irq 12 in your /etc/pcmcia/config.opts file. That should make PCMCIA avoid 12, leaving it free for the mouse. (I haven't tested it, since I don't have two hard disks, but I think it should work. There are already a few excludes in my config.opts.) Lee Hetherington ilh@lcs.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 17:12:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08145; Thu, 6 Jun 96 17:12:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22628; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:10:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:09:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22456; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:09:31 -0400 Received: from paloalto.access.hp.com (daemon@paloalto.access.hp.com [15.254.56.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA22445; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:09:28 -0400 Received: from hpbs3591.boi.hp.com by paloalto.access.hp.com with SMTP (1.37.109.16/15.5+ECS 3.3) id AA179455359; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 14:09:19 -0700 Received: by hpbs3591.boi.hp.com (1.37.109.8/15.5+IOS 3.22) id AA08319; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 15:09:17 -0600 From: Brian Mahaffy Message-Id: <9606062109.AA08319@hpbs3591.boi.hp.com> Subject: Re: ps/2 mouse under Linux on 760CD To: ilh@lcs.mit.edu Date: Thu, 6 Jun 96 15:09:17 MDT Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199606062053.QAA04882@ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu>; from "Lee Hetherington" at Jun 6, 96 4:53 pm Mailer: Elm [revision: 72.14] > > Brian Mahaffy writes: > | You need to go into the PCMCIA sources and change the interupt scan routines > | to search 15->13,11->0,12 instead of 15->0. It is in modules/i82365.c > | around line 400. > | > | If you aren't using PCMCIA, its probably something similar with some other > | autoconfiged interupt using 12, /proc/interrupts will tell you. You will > | have to chase it down. Lee Hetherington writes: > > Nah. With the version of PCMCIA services that I have, you can just put > > exclude irq 12 > > in your /etc/pcmcia/config.opts file. That should make PCMCIA avoid 12, > leaving it free for the mouse. Why solve something by a config opt when you can change the code! ;-) Thanks for pointing this out Lee (Where were you when I was debugging the kernel). I'll have to see if I can try that out with the next PCMCIA version that comes out. 'Spose I should read the documentation before I read the code 8->. ...Brian -- _______________________________________________________________________ Brian Mahaffy Hewlett-Packard | Any sufficiently advanced Color & Consumables Division (CCD) | technology, is indistinguishable N6UGP (208)396-7857 | from Magic! brianm@zeus.boi.hp.com | Arthur C. Clarke N6UGP@KB7CFD.ID.USA.NA | ___________________________________|___________________________________ Ask me about Linux! The Free Unix for x86 PCs ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "They, that can give up essential liberty, to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin 1759 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 17:34:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09740; Thu, 6 Jun 96 17:34:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24483; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:28:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:26:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24235; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:26:57 -0400 Received: from vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA24228; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:26:48 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by vmedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 kells.vmedia.com) id RAA00592; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 17:22:35 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA2083; Thu, 06 Jun 96 17:21:41 -0700 Message-Id: <9606070021.AA2083@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 442AF5DF24BDE011852563410074BA3A; Thu, 6 Jun 96 17:21:34 EDT To: rwilson Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 6 Jun 96 17:18:51 EDT Subject: Re: IBM MWave Internet Phone X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...Has anyone else had any luck with getting Internet Phone from VocalTec or any other "phone" application running on a 760CD while using the MWave modem to log on to a PPP server?..." ~~~~~ been doing this on the 755cd since the first version of the product. i assume the same problem follows to the 760: the mwave will overload if you try to run audio while the modem is in use, so you need to either use a different modem, or a different audio device. vocaltec makes a small 16-bit parallel port audio device called the 'cat' that works great on the thinkpad. i think it's under $100. ppp or slip has never seemed to make any difference. Michael J. Verne Computer Support Manager, VentanaCommunications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 6 19:39:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17751; Thu, 6 Jun 96 19:39:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA07051; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:37:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:34:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06667; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:34:20 -0400 Received: from mhv.net (root@csbh.mhv.net [199.0.0.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA06661; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:34:18 -0400 Received: from taifun (port145.mhv.net) by mhv.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA09196; Thu, 6 Jun 1996 19:35:58 -0400 Sender: yce@mhv.net Message-Id: <31B75A74.420DC6B7@mhv.net> Date: Thu, 06 Jun 1996 18:23:48 -0400 From: Yves-Chandler Eynard X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; Linux 1.3.92 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: IBM MWave Internet Phone References: <2.2.32.19960606092354.0074b7c8@tiree.quantime.co.uk> <31B740B5.71D1@gate.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit rwilson wrote: > > Has anyone else had any luck with getting Internet Phone from VocalTec or > any other "phone" application running on a 760CD while using the MWave > modem to log on to a PPP server? > > Please share any tips, pointers or war-stories... Well, I'm using the IBM product with some success (just got it). Although you can't run your modem faster than 14,400 bps. Apparently, you can turn off the error correction and it should work, but around here turning off error correction is akin to sending data over a taut string between two cans ;) BTW- I have a 755cx -- Yves-Chandler Eynard yves@mhv.net OCTET International From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 01:54:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29397; Fri, 7 Jun 96 01:54:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04436; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:53:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:44:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03738; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:44:12 -0400 Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03732; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:44:08 -0400 From: Received: by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA29694; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:43:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:43:34 -0400 Message-Id: <960607014331_551174241@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: martini@acm.org Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Mount 3rd party harddisk in TP 360C caddy/shell? In a message dated 96-06-05 14:11:06 EDT, you write: >I want to add a bigger harddisk to my ThinkPad 360C, and preferable at a low >cost. Buying an original IBM harddisk for it is pretty expensive, so I >opened the plastic caddy where my 340Mb harddisk is mounted inside. It looks >like a pretty normal 2.5 inch harddisk (44 pins) but I am not sure if I can >just yank the connector off and mount another harddisk inside the caddy. >Have anyone tried to do that on their TP 360? Would the BIOS recognize the >new harddisk? What problems should I expect? > >-Martin Hi Martin, We do have assembled, third party kits up to 2.1GB for the TP360. If you decide to remove the connector, you will want to gently pry the connector apart. A pair of fine tipped tweezers will work. Best Regards, Leonard email: pepsales@portables.com Portable Enhancements The Portable Upgrade ExpertsTM Up to 2.1GB in your Notebook! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 01:54:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29505; Fri, 7 Jun 96 01:54:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA04432; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:53:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:47:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03991; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:47:41 -0400 Received: from emout13.mail.aol.com (emout13.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA03985; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:47:39 -0400 From: Received: by emout13.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id BAA00837 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:47:07 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:47:07 -0400 Message-Id: <960607014706_551176003@emout13.mail.aol.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 2.1GB now available! Just a short note to say we not have a 2.1GB for the 360, 750 and 755 series. If you would like info, please reply via email. Thanks, Leonard Portable Enhancements From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 04:49:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02224; Fri, 7 Jun 96 04:49:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19663; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 04:48:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 04:43:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19328; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 04:43:43 -0400 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (root@netcom8.netcom.com [192.100.81.117]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19322; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 04:43:40 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id BAA03478; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:36:14 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 01:36:14 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199606070836.BAA03478@netcom8.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: linux/X on TP 755cx? Did some consensus ever emerge on what it takes to run X under Linux on a 755cx in 800x600 mode? I remember for a while Xfree86 was able to operate at 800x600 but not to actually put the Thinkpad into that mode. So it was necessary to boot MS-DOS, run a MODE command, and then boot Linux. I'd really like to avoid having to do such a hack (DOS partition? Who needs *that*?) and remember there had been some discussion on the list of what to do. I believe the TP-Linux web page still says to do the DOS hack but it's hard to believe there's not a better method available. Thanks for any info From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 10:18:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07531; Fri, 7 Jun 96 10:18:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20882; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:17:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:12:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20061; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:12:24 -0400 Received: from bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca (bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca [134.87.44.191]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20053; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:12:20 -0400 Received: by bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca (MX V4.1 AXP) id 71; Fri, 07 Jun 1996 07:13:34 PST Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 07:13:33 PST From: Jonathan Berry To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Cc: jberry@bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca Message-Id: <009A37C9.4D5375D0.71@bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca> Subject: PS/2 keyboard for 701 I attempted to attach a separate keyboard to the 701C. Even if you ignore the key travel deficit, several common keys (such as DEL and INS) are inconveniently placed. The port replicator has PS/2 plugs for both keyboard and mouse. Having available only a keyboard with an old-fashioned connector, I went to Radio Shack and got a (DIN ?) to PS/2 pin converter. It didn't work. IBM said that only REAL PS/2 keyboards would work. And you have to power down the machine for it to make the change (too bad; so much of the 701 is hot-configurable). So, has anybody done this? Can I just buy a cheap PS/2 compatible keyboard from a parts liquidator? Or does it have to be a very specific model of keyboard? Thanks Jonathan Berry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 10:19:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07536; Fri, 7 Jun 96 10:19:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20898; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:17:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:12:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20115; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:12:44 -0400 Received: from bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca (bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca [134.87.44.191]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20098; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:12:40 -0400 Received: by bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca (MX V4.1 AXP) id 74; Fri, 07 Jun 1996 07:14:01 PST Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 07:14:01 PST From: Jonathan Berry To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Cc: jberry@bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca Message-Id: <009A37C9.5D901057.74@bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca> Subject: Caddy for 701 hard drive Let's see if this "drives" them one of the woodwork: Will pay $us50 for a dead drive (with its caddy!) from a 701, or for the caddy alone. Jonathan Berry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 10:19:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07693; Fri, 7 Jun 96 10:19:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20893; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:17:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:13:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20190; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:13:29 -0400 Received: from bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca (bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca [134.87.44.191]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20180; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:13:25 -0400 Received: by bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca (MX V4.1 AXP) id 77; Fri, 07 Jun 1996 07:14:38 PST Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 07:14:38 PST From: Jonathan Berry To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Cc: jberry@bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca Message-Id: <009A37C9.7399D018.77@bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca> Subject: Re: heat dissipation The debate has been whether it is better for a machine with a powerful processor to have a warm (hot) case, or if having a cooler case inevitably means that the heat is retained in the vicinity of the processor and thereby damages the chips. Which signifies the better engineering? There is another consideration. Most of us aren't generally using number-crunching apps (for example, to work out the table bases for all 5-piece chess endgames--that could take weeks of continuous calculation) on our laptop. In word processing, for example, the computer must be simply waiting for a keystroke 99.9% of the time (remember, word processors that ran as fast as you could type were available on 4.77 MHz 8088s). While it is waiting, the processor's clock could be slowed down (unless it has a governor on it that prevents its clock speed from being changed !?) and it would thus draw less power. So a cool case *could* be a sign of *better* engineering. Jonathan Berry From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 10:24:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07777; Fri, 7 Jun 96 10:24:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21750; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:22:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:20:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21430; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:20:44 -0400 Received: from smtp.interlog.com (root@smtp.interlog.com [198.53.145.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21423; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:20:40 -0400 Received: from peterrei (ip93-55.tor.interlog.com [206.108.93.55]) by smtp.interlog.com (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA29434 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 10:14:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <31B83A7A.1DAC@interlog.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 10:19:38 -0400 From: Peter Reilly Reply-To: peterr@interlog.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b3Gold (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Track-point Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks to all!! The Openwindows enviroment on my TP-755ce could not open and responded with errors such as /dev/mouse is busy or missing file. The solution was to disable the gpm. peter :) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 11:39:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09774; Fri, 7 Jun 96 11:39:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29688; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:38:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:35:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29370; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:35:56 -0400 Received: from emout07.mail.aol.com (emout07.mx.aol.com [198.81.11.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA29354; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:35:49 -0400 From: Received: by emout07.mail.aol.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA18280; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:35:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:35:17 -0400 Message-Id: <960607113517_409292960@emout07.mail.aol.com> To: epbrown@suba.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: No Subject In a message dated 96-06-07 09:10:15 EDT, you write: > Saw your note on the Thinkpad list, and it reminded me of an email echange >we had about 5 months ago, re 701 disk upgrades. You said that since the >model was so new, you didn't have them yet. How about now? If yes, do you >sell caddies only or just drives and caddies? If drives and caddies, in what >sizes up to how large? > Thanks, > Emanuel Hi Emanuel, We are much closer to having a proprietary caddy for the 701. It is being tooled right now and a couple of beta units have come off the line. Should be another 4 weeks or so. I'm not sure if we will sell the caddy seperately, but we'll cross that bridge when we get there. Best Regards, Leonard From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 11:45:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11213; Fri, 7 Jun 96 11:45:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00637; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:43:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:42:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00329; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:42:21 -0400 Received: from dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (dragon.cnm.columbia.edu [128.59.192.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA00322; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:42:17 -0400 Received: from milou.jrn.columbia.edu (milou.jrn.columbia.edu [128.59.192.33]) by dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9/sed) with SMTP id LAA20196; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 11:42:12 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960607154131.0073d9e8@dragon.jrn.columbia.edu> X-Sender: yann@dragon.jrn.columbia.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 11:41:31 -0400 To: From: Yann Nicolas Subject: Re: No Subject Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu >I'm not sure if we will sell the caddy seperately, but we'll cross that >bridge when we get there. You'd better. I'd pay a decent price for it... Still looking for one... :( -- Yann Nicolas Systems Coordinator -- Columbia Graduate School of Journalism yann@jrn.columbia.edu -- http://www.columbia.edu/~yn25/soccer.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 12:09:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12486; Fri, 7 Jun 96 12:09:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03116; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:07:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:05:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02901; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:05:49 -0400 Received: from mail-relay1 (mail-relay1.cis.yale.edu [130.132.21.199]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02895; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:05:46 -0400 Received: from capitoline.cis.yale.edu by mail-relay1 with SMTP id AA21756 (5.67a/IDA-1.5 for ); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:04:48 -0400 Received: from aeternitas.cis.yale.edu (root@aeternitas [130.132.143.31]) by capitoline.cis.yale.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id MAA24268 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:05:32 -0400 Received: from [130.132.59.243] (lancer.cis.yale.edu [130.132.59.243]) by aeternitas.cis.yale.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA26027 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:05:30 -0400 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:05:30 -0400 X-Sender: callum@pop-fs1.cis.yale.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: robert.callum@yale.edu (Rob Callum) Subject: Parallel Zip Drive from Multiport II Dock?? Has anyone out there been successful in running a parallel zip drive from a Multiport II dock? I have a 701, and I can hook up the dock without any IRQs, but the Guest program refuses to recognize the Zip. Running the Zip from the parallel port on the computer works fine, but presents a problem when I want to use the floppy and the Zip at the same time. -- Rob Callum YaleInfo Administrator Webmaster@yale.edu Electronic Publications Specialist YaleInfo@yale.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 12:18:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12816; Fri, 7 Jun 96 12:18:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04489; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:17:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:16:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04379; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:16:23 -0400 Received: from fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (root@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.112.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04346; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:16:02 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu (rheo-port.pse.umass.edu [128.119.70.196]) by fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA11014 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:25:26 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960607161524.006799bc@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> X-Sender: axel@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 12:15:24 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: Re: No Subject (TP701 HD-Caddies) greetings to all butterflies (and owners): the butterfly 3rd-party hard drive discussion has been going on for a while, and i can't remember any practical solution. then this: >We are much closer to having a proprietary caddy for the 701. It is being >tooled right now and a couple of beta units have come off the line. Should >be another 4 weeks or so. > >I'm not sure if we will sell the caddy seperately, but we'll cross that >bridge when we get there. i really appreciate this, since i am daily scouring my 360MB drive for useless readme.txt's and such to delete... one (set of) question(s): is there any firm information (or a well phrased rumor) on a) the types of drives the bios will recognise, and b) if all of the current functions will work, e.g.: automatic spin down, automatic creation of the Tp 701.hib-file by bios, and c) what the energy and noise levels of hard drives in question are like: will my ears fall off, or will my battery life decrease measurably? oh, and will the outer casing part have the "look and feel" of the ibm-original? axel ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 12:43:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14317; Fri, 7 Jun 96 12:43:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06997; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:42:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:39:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06751; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:39:56 -0400 Received: from smartwall.acuson.com (smartwall.acuson.com [157.226.120.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06737; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 12:39:50 -0400 Received: by smartwall.acuson.com; id JAA16023; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 09:35:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from speedy.acuson.com(157.226.1.8) by smartwall.acuson.com via smap (V3.1.1) id xma016017; Fri, 7 Jun 96 09:35:04 -0400 Received: from beeblebrox.acuson.com by speedy.acuson.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA00798; Fri, 7 Jun 96 09:37:49 PDT Received: from beeblebrox (localhost) by beeblebrox.acuson.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07301; Fri, 7 Jun 96 09:37:50 PDT Sender: ostrem@acuson.com Message-Id: <31B85ADE.3F54BC7E@acuson.com> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 09:37:50 -0700 From: Neal Ostrem Organization: acuson.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: No Subject (TP701 HD-Caddies) References: <1.5.4.32.19960607161524.006799bc@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Axel Hartmann wrote: > one (set of) question(s): is there any firm information (or a > well phrased rumor) on > a) the types of drives the bios will recognise, and > b) if all of the current functions will work, e.g.: automatic > spin down, automatic creation of the Tp 701.hib-file by bios, and > c) what the energy and noise levels of hard drives in question > are like: will my ears fall off, or will my battery life decrease > measurably? In answer to a), I have successfully used a Toshiba 810Mb (MK1926FCV) drive and a Toshiba 1300Mb (MK1301MAV) drive in my 701c. I used the 810Mb drive for a number of months and all the power-management functions seemed to work fine. Noise level and battery life were not appreciably different from the original drive. I've only had the 1300Mb drive for a couple of days so all I can really report is that the BIOS does SEEM to recognize it correctly. The 701 bios does have a bug in the way it displays the drive capacity though - when the capacity reaches a 4 digit number the display routine chops off the leading digit (in my case the "displayed" capacity is 250Mb). However, when I run fdisk it correctly identifies and uses the full drive capacity. -- -------------- Neal Ostrem email: nealo@netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 13:09:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16279; Fri, 7 Jun 96 13:09:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09249; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:08:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:06:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09103; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:06:37 -0400 Received: from ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp (firewall-user@ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp [202.32.89.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09086; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:06:32 -0400 Received: by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp; id CAA24513; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 02:04:29 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.254.20) by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp via smap (g3.0.3) id xma024496; Sat, 8 Jun 96 02:03:58 +0900 Received: by ig.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-ocgwin) id CAA13896; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 02:05:01 +0900 Received: by hamlet.wg.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-hamlet) id CAA24040; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 02:03:57 +0900 Received: by othello.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb/2.8Wb-othello) id CAA21049; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 02:03:54 +0900 From: Jeffrey Friedl Date: Sat, 8 Jun 1996 02:05:03 +0900 Message-Id: <199606071705.CAA00703@tubby.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp> To: phr@netcom.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199606070836.BAA03478@netcom8.netcom.com> (phr@netcom.com) Subject: Re: linux/X on TP 755cx? Reply-To: jfriedl@omron.co.jp Paul Rubin wrote: |> there had been some discussion on the list of what to do. I believe |> the TP-Linux web page still says to do the DOS hack but it's hard |> to believe there's not a better method available. It is indeed hard to believe. I'd guess it just a magic bit that needs to be fiddled somewhere, but I've yet to find it. I now boot from a floppy which I keep in the drive all the time. I really didn't want to do this -- seemed somehow stupid to boot a DOS floppy to boot Linux, but I've gotten quite used to it. Take a clean DOS disk, do SYS to it to put the hidden files and COMMAND.COM. Copy over PS2.MSG and PS2.COM from the Thinkpad Utilities disk (C:\THINKPAD on normal DOS systems), and your kernel and LOADLIN.EXE of course. My CONFIG.SYS is empty, and in my AUTOEXEC.BAT I have: set PS2MSG=\ps2.msg ps2 mode3x on loadlin vmlinuz root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=7 the PS2MSG line is required for ps2 to work. Of course, you'll need to set the loadlin specs yourself. The "vga=7", for example, is my own patched mode to get the console to use 37 lines. Jeffrey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey Friedl Omron Corp, Nagaokakyo, Kyoto 617 Japan See my Jap<->Eng dictionary at http://www.wg.omron.co.jp/cgi-bin/j-e or at mirrors at [enterprise.ic.gc.ca] and [www.itc.omron.com] From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 13:55:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17811; Fri, 7 Jun 96 13:55:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA13172; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:52:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:49:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12811; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:49:21 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12787; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 13:49:13 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA22486; Fri, 7 Jun 96 13:46:49 EDT Date: Fri, 7 Jun 96 13:46:49 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606071746.AA22486@nile.gnat.com> To: jberry@bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: heat dissipation "available on 4.77 MHz 8088s). While it is waiting, the processor's clock could be slowed down (unless it has a governor on it that prevents its clock speed from being changed !?) and it would thus draw less power. So a cool case *could* be a sign of *better* engineering." Well this is of course an available power saving setting on the thinkpad, and yes, as you guess, the case runs cooler when you use this option, as you would expect. The power saving option that you talk about subjunctively is called Automatic Clock Control. Set the processor speed to the minimum, and set Automatic Clock Control on, and you will get exactly the effect you describe. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 14:47:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19766; Fri, 7 Jun 96 14:47:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19070; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:45:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:43:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18710; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:43:02 -0400 Received: from mhv.net (root@csbh.mhv.net [199.0.0.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18704; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:42:59 -0400 Received: from taifun (monroe-56.dialup.frontiercomm.net) by mhv.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA29171; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 14:44:15 -0400 Sender: yce@mhv.net Message-Id: <31B86798.29B85DD8@mhv.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 13:32:08 -0400 From: Yves-Chandler Eynard X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; Linux 1.3.92 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: heat dissipation References: <9606071746.AA22486@nile.gnat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Dewar wrote: > > "available on 4.77 MHz 8088s). While it is waiting, the processor's > clock could be slowed down (unless it has a governor on it that > prevents its clock speed from being changed !?) and it would thus > draw less power. > > So a cool case *could* be a sign of *better* engineering." > > Well this is of course an available power saving setting on the thinkpad, > and yes, as you guess, the case runs cooler when you use this option, > as you would expect. > > The power saving option that you talk about subjunctively is called > Automatic Clock Control. > Set the processor speed to the minimum, and set Automatic Clock Control > on, and you will get exactly the effect you describe. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but: If you set the processor speed to the minimum won't see a decrease in performance? In other, perhaps clearer, words, is this speed setting subjective? Frankly, I'm not sure what the fuss is about, the thing is warranteed for 3 years. IBM should be savvy enough to make a machine that will last that long. And face it- you'll probably have a new machine by then anyway ;) -- Yves-Chandler Eynard yves@mhv.net OCTET International From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 15:11:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20893; Fri, 7 Jun 96 15:11:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA21374; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:08:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:05:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20994; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:05:36 -0400 Received: from vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20986; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:05:32 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by vmedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 kells.vmedia.com) id PAA02150; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 15:01:25 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA3465; Fri, 07 Jun 96 15:00:29 -0700 Message-Id: <9606072200.AA3465@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 5CFC86D0F2AEDFC38525634200689446; Fri, 7 Jun 96 15:00:28 EDT To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 7 Jun 96 15:03:02 EDT Subject: Re: IBM closes factory-outlet store X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain this just in from big blue: ---- From News Forum (06/06/96) ------------- IBM wants to concentrate on telemarketing of refurbished and used PC's. So, it's shutting down its only factory-outlet store in Morrisville, N.C. The 24 employees will have jobs elsewhere in the company. Michael J. Verne Computer Support Manager, VentanaCommunications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 16:21:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23988; Fri, 7 Jun 96 16:21:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28285; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:18:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:12:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27682; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:12:06 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27646; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:11:42 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA05412; Fri, 7 Jun 96 16:09:28 EDT Date: Fri, 7 Jun 96 16:09:28 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606072009.AA05412@nile.gnat.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, yves@mhv.net Subject: Re: heat dissipation "Forgive me if I'm wrong, but: If you set the processor speed to the minimum won't see a decrease in performance? In other, perhaps clearer, words, is this speed setting subjective?" Well, half wrong :-) Yes, performance will decrease, but not as much as you might imagine for many tpyical applications if you enable Automatic Clock Control: "With this option, the processor speed is boosted up to its maximum for a certain period when a key is pressed or hard disk access access occurs." "Frankly, I'm not sure what the fuss is about, the thing is warranteed for 3 years. IBM should be savvy enough to make a machine that will last that long. And face it- you'll probably have a new machine by then anyway ;)" The machine may be warranteed for three years, but is your lap? We are talking too hot to touch with your bare hand here! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 16:28:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24073; Fri, 7 Jun 96 16:28:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29274; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:25:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:24:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29011; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:24:18 -0400 Received: from mhv.net (root@csbh.mhv.net [199.0.0.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29005; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:24:15 -0400 Received: from taifun (monroe-76.dialup.frontiercomm.net) by mhv.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA12695; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:25:50 -0400 Sender: yce@mhv.net Message-Id: <31B8902F.2C39E18B@mhv.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 16:25:19 -0400 From: Yves-Chandler Eynard X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; Linux 1.3.92 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, Robert Dewar Subject: Re: heat dissipation References: <9606072009.AA05412@nile.gnat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Dewar wrote: > "Frankly, I'm not sure what the fuss is about, the thing is warranteed for 3 > years. IBM should be savvy enough to make a machine that will last that long. > And face it- you'll probably have a new machine by then anyway ;)" > > The machine may be warranteed for three years, but is your lap? > We are talking too hot to touch with your bare hand here! Really..... mine gets pretty warm, but I can always put it on my lap. (although it can get uncomfortable) Is it possible to take a reading on actually how warm it is? The heat dissipation of a chip is pretty well known (within reason) so if there is a big difference there could be a more serious problem. Too hot to touch is definately too hot. (I mean; how can you use the bloody thing if you can't pick it up?) -- Yves-Chandler Eynard yves@mhv.net OCTET International From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 16:33:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24295; Fri, 7 Jun 96 16:33:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29910; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:30:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:29:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29718; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:29:23 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA29706; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 16:29:17 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA05698; Fri, 7 Jun 96 16:27:03 EDT Date: Fri, 7 Jun 96 16:27:03 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606072027.AA05698@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu, yves@mhv.net Subject: Re: heat dissipation Yves-Chandler said "Is it possible to take a reading on actually how warm it is? The heat dissipatio n of a chip is pretty well known (within reason) so if there is a big difference t here could be a more serious problem. Too hot to touch is definately too hot. (I mean ; how can you use the bloody thing if you can't pick it up?)" How hot it gets will depend on the thermal conductivity of the surface on which it is resting. Since there are no feet, it rests flush on the flat surface. There is no problem picking it up while it is on (although it is not something I do that often!) since it is only the center of the bottom panel that gets really hot. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 17:41:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27228; Fri, 7 Jun 96 17:41:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07238; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:39:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:36:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06846; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:36:41 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06829; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:36:28 -0400 Received: from 6324-1b.kendall.mdcc.edu (6324-1b.kendall.mdcc.edu [147.70.152.121]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA02881; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:41:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960607213421.66efe110@mail.shadow.net> X-Sender: dwhite@mail.shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 17:34:21 -0400 To: Jonathan Berry , tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: PS/2 keyboard for 701 Cc: jberry@bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca At 07:13 AM 6/7/96 PST, Jonathan Berry wrote: >So, has anybody done this? Can I just buy a cheap PS/2 compatible >keyboard from a parts liquidator? Or does it have to be a very >specific model of keyboard? It's your lucky day: Surplus Software is selling two proper IBM keyboard models right now. One has an integrated trackball and the others is just a keyboard. With trackball, $32.99 SKU-HKEE-0004 w/o, $19.99 SKU-HKEE-0003 both are "IBM Easy Options" models. If you've been in a store that sells them you'll recognize the cheesy marketing name. Other people may be interested to know they have the PCMCIA adaptor and IR gadget for $59.99, SKU-HAC130001. Mini trackballs are $15.99, SKU-HJOE-0008. SS can be reached at 1-800-753-7877, 541-387-6000 international calls. Donald Alan Whiteside, Official Computer Dork for the 1996 Olympics "Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 17:42:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27245; Fri, 7 Jun 96 17:42:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07245; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:39:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:36:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06844; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:36:41 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06832; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:36:29 -0400 Received: from 6324-1b.kendall.mdcc.edu (6324-1b.kendall.mdcc.edu [147.70.152.121]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA02866; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 17:41:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.16.19960607213419.66efc70e@mail.shadow.net> X-Sender: dwhite@mail.shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (16) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 07 Jun 1996 17:34:19 -0400 To: Dick Partos , Paulo Magalhaes From: Don Whiteside Subject: Re: GPS - source Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu At 01:50 PM 6/6/96 -0400, Dick Partos wrote: >At 07:17 PM 6/6/96 +0200, you wrote: >>in this list had been playing with a GPS device, hooked up to a TP. I > >GPS's can be had for $200-300 at marine supply places like Boat US, West >Marine, etc. There's a link to a GPS info page off my web page http://www.shadow.net/~dwhite and there's a newsgroup for discussion. For the most part all you need is to make sure you get one with a serial link and that has the features you want. The Garmins are nice, with the 45 being reasonably priced, but they put a deliberate limit on the max speed it can track (aprox 100knots if I recall) so you have to buy the more expensive one for aviation use. Donald Alan Whiteside, Official Computer Dork for the 1996 Olympics "Penis ownership is not a prerequisite to technological competence" - Me. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 21:49:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06409; Fri, 7 Jun 96 21:49:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23945; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 21:48:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 21:43:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23533; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 21:43:45 -0400 Received: from mtshasta.snowcrest.net (mtshasta.snowcrest.net [206.245.192.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23479; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 21:43:36 -0400 Received: from beesong (ppp4.yreka.snowcrest.net [206.245.194.36]) by mtshasta.snowcrest.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id SAA11355 for ; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:43:56 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 18:43:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199606080143.SAA11355@mtshasta.snowcrest.net> X-Sender: beesong@snowcrest.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Kate Bauer Subject: "Wetsuit" vs heat dissipation I use a Silicon Sports "Wetsuit" case for my 755CD and really like it; however, I have been concerned about using one like it when I upgrade to the 760ED. It doesn't seem to cause a problem on the 755CD (100 mhz DX4), but I wonder if the hotter-running Pentium chip in the 760ED would mean I shouldn't use it. Anyone else use this combination? Kate From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 7 22:53:56 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07867; Fri, 7 Jun 96 22:53:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28348; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 22:53:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 7 Jun 1996 22:51:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28109; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 22:51:19 -0400 Received: from cs.utah.edu (cs.utah.edu [128.110.4.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28103; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 22:51:16 -0400 Received: from venus.cs.utah.edu by cs.utah.edu (8.6.12/utah-2.21-cs) id UAA11787; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 20:51:14 -0600 Received: by venus.cs.utah.edu (8.6.10/utah-2.15sun-leaf) id UAA23659; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 20:51:13 -0600 From: bangell@cs.utah.edu (bob angell) Message-Id: <199606080251.UAA23659@venus.cs.utah.edu> Subject: ThinkPad 350 forsale To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 7 Jun 1996 20:51:12 -0600 (MDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text I have an IBM ThinkPad 350M forsale with the specs as follows: 486/25Mhz 4MG Ram (expandable to 20) 125MG Harddrive TrackPoint II integrated mouse 2 PCMCIA type II or 1 type III slots. Has OS/2 Warp loaded ... Have used it with an external Zip drive and external SCSI cables, etc with no problems. Reason for selling, do not need more than 2 laptops. Want $600 or best offer. I have an 8MG SIMM, wetsuit and external carrying case (executive model that retailed for almost $300 awhile back) for an extra $100. Total package $700. If you would like to make me a reasonable offer, please do. -Bob- -- 1 Bob Angell, Principal-Systems(Industrial) Engineer / Author / Instructor 2 Applied Information & Management Systems, 1238 Fenway Ave., SLC, UT 84102 3 voice:(801) 583-8544 fax:(801) 582-9543 email:bangell@venus.cs.utah.edu 4 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 5 Applied Information & Management Systems (AIMS) has services as follows: 6 Intra/Internet Solutions, Lotus Notes/Internotes, Multiplatform integration 7 Networking (TCP/IP, Netbios, NFS, DCE), Custom (AWK, PERL, C++, Visualizer), 8 Database design/development (SQL based:DB2, SQLserver, etc.), Data Modeling 9 Operating Systems (Warp/NT Server; AIX / HP-UX / SunOS) 10 __________________________________________________________________________ 11 "Had Mama Cass and Karen Carpenter shared that Ham sandwich, they would 12 both be with us today!" - Anon [Disclaimer: I don't speak for the UofU!] From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 8 01:33:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11863; Sat, 8 Jun 96 01:33:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA08105; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:32:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:29:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07814; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:29:07 -0400 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07808; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 01:29:04 -0400 Received: from ip-vanc2-07.teleport.com (ip-vanc2-07.teleport.com [206.163.115.167]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id WAA00479; Fri, 7 Jun 1996 22:28:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606080528.WAA00479@desiree.teleport.com> From: "Rob Saker" To: "rwilson@gate.net" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "Yves-Chandler Eynard" Date: Fri, 07 Jun 96 22:29:37 -0800 Reply-To: "Rob Saker" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Robert Saker's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: IBM MWave Internet Phone On Thu, 06 Jun 1996 18:23:48 -0400, Yves-Chandler Eynard wrote: >> Please share any tips, pointers or war-stories... > > Well, I'm using the IBM product with some success (just got it). Although you > can't run your modem faster than 14,400 bps. Apparently, you can turn off the > error correction and it should work, but around here turning off error > correction is akin to sending data over a taut string between two cans ;) Although the readme wording is subject to debate, it is almost certainly refering to V.42bis compression - not V.42 error correction. The two reasons are: less resources in use by the mWave and the audio file is already optimally compressed by the application. In ref to the speed - things might work at half duplex at 28.8. /* Rob Saker - resaker@teleport.com */ /* Warped at home; Connected at work */ /* Win95?? I already have a Nintendo */ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 8 15:13:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23984; Sat, 8 Jun 96 15:13:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03943; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 15:11:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 8 Jun 1996 15:00:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03019; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 15:00:53 -0400 Received: from twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (twins.rs.itd.umich.edu [141.211.83.39]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02917; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 15:00:39 -0400 Received: from tty3-9.tc.nd.edu by twins.rs.itd.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) with SMTP id PAA28625; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 15:00:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606081900.PAA28625@twins.rs.itd.umich.edu> From: "Gabriel Ash" To: "Thinkpad User Group" Date: Sat, 08 Jun 96 12:33:43 Reply-To: "Gabriel Ash" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Gabriel Ash's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: International power supply hello all. I have a backorder on an internatinal power supply for thinkpad 701, for almost two months. They keep saying they have no dates and know nothing. Can anyone suggest an alternative, another seller, or a non IBM replacement? Thanks ------------- Gabriel Ash Notre-Dame ------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 8 17:56:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26085; Sat, 8 Jun 96 17:56:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13771; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 17:54:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 8 Jun 1996 17:51:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13490; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 17:51:54 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13467; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 17:51:50 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id OAA01498; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 14:50:15 -0700 Received: (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id OAA24689; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 14:44:03 -0700 Received: from cc:Mail by espmail.espmail.com id AA834269341 Sat, 08 Jun 96 14:29:01 Date: Sat, 08 Jun 96 14:29:01 From: "Joe.Bormel" Encoding: 1080 Text Message-Id: <9605088342.AA834269341@espmail.espmail.com> To: phr@netcom.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: heat dissipation and reliability >> "I find the high temperature of my 755cx somewhat alarming and... >> Paul writes: >... >It is scary and makes me fear for the computer's long term reliability. >I'd be afraid to leave it in unattended 24*7 operation, for example. Frankly, that's why I paid in excess of $ 5,000 for my 755cx. I wanted the three year service from IBM. I already found out that the service from Toshiba on my last notebooks was seriously lacking after 15 months. And I've learned that I end up running 24*7 much of the time. (Alot of late night, unattended modem-based data transfer.) Even before my 755CX, a toshiba 486/25 ran extremely hot without crumping in near 24x7 duty. It's failure mode was the TFT screen which I dont think was a thermal issue. Replacing the screen but not the mother board restored it to gainful employment, when a cheap used replacement screen appeared on the market. It is nearly 5 years old, still runs very hot, but still runs without mother/processor failure. I realize this is anecdotal, but the plural of that is 'Data'. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 9 00:30:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02647; Sun, 9 Jun 96 00:30:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07799; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 00:29:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 9 Jun 1996 00:26:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07584; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 00:26:33 -0400 Received: from where.why.net (why.net [205.240.252.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA07578; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 00:26:31 -0400 Received: from jim.why.com ([205.240.253.248]) by where.why.net (post.office MTA v1.9.3 ID# 0-11525) with SMTP id AAA128; Sat, 8 Jun 1996 23:26:12 -0500 Message-Id: <31BA5271.3A57@why.net> Date: Sat, 08 Jun 1996 23:26:25 -0500 From: jim@why.net (jim) X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: jim@why.net Subject: Neet stuff for 701cs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I just got lucky at Computer City and picked up a TP 701CS real cheap. Unfortunatly it was real cheap for a reason. Its missing the battery, ac adapter, and the hard drive. I know where I can find a battery and an ac adapter, but does anyone out there have a drive with caddy for sale cheep? Any size will do, I just want to see it run! Also, does anyone have or know where I can get the cable for the floppy drive? I have the drive, I just don't have the cable. Will IBM sell me the cable by its self? Thanks, Jim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 9 03:26:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25363; Sun, 9 Jun 96 03:26:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17870; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 03:26:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 9 Jun 1996 03:19:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17366; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 03:19:34 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (ts700-702.singnet.com.sg [165.21.110.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA17360; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 03:19:28 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (uucp@localhost) by lugs.org.sg (8.7.1/8.7.3) with UUCP id PAA19805 for cs.utk.edu!thinkpad; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:13:13 +0800 Received: from dupre by lugs.org.sg with uucp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0uSegY-00028dC; Sun, 9 Jun 96 15:13 SST Received: by dupre.lugs.org.sg (UUPC/extended 1.12r); Sun, 09 Jun 1996 15:08:21 -0800 Message-Id: <31bb5965.dupre@dupre.lugs.org.sg> From: Elvin Tan To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:08:21 GMT+8 Subject: MultiPort II or other ports for the Thinkpad 701 Reply-To: elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Hi ! I've got a 701C thihnkpad and it came with the multiport II. The multiport II attaches on the thinkpad with a simple hook and lever method. One big problem is that if the multiport was bent off the thinkpad or if I'm holding on the thinkpad and the cable attached to the multiport is tugged, the hook breaks off and I get a loose multiport. Anyone got any remedies ? (Besides super gluing back the hook, I did that 4 times already!!!) BTW, does the thinkpad 701c have a docking station ? Which model/part is it ? P/S I just received my nameplate. Cool, it took only 2 months! Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 9 15:35:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04487; Sun, 9 Jun 96 15:35:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA03446; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:34:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:24:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02765; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:23:58 -0400 Received: from netcom2.netcom.com (slee@netcom2.netcom.com [192.100.81.108]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA02759; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 15:23:55 -0400 Received: (from slee@localhost) by netcom2.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id MAA19543; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:23:40 -0700 Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 12:23:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Sherwin Lee X-Sender: slee@netcom2 To: Elvin Tan Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: MultiPort II or other ports for the Thinkpad 701 In-Reply-To: <31bb5965.dupre@dupre.lugs.org.sg> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII That happened to me. I called up IBM and requested a parts exchange since it is still under warranty. They just sent me a new one and requested that I send back the broken one. ------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________ ________.--'-`--._____ |____==================_) \_'===================` slee@netcom.com _,--___.-|__|-.______|=====/ `---' `---------._ ~~~~~| ------------------------ `-._ - - - ,' ["Just remember where ] \_____,-' [ we parked!" ] ------------------------------------------------------------------- On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Elvin Tan wrote: > Hi ! > > I've got a 701C thihnkpad and it came with the multiport II. > The multiport II attaches on the thinkpad with a simple hook and lever > method. One big problem is that if the multiport was bent off the > thinkpad or if I'm holding on the thinkpad and the cable attached to > the multiport is tugged, the hook breaks off and I get a loose > multiport. > Anyone got any remedies ? (Besides super gluing back the hook, I did > that 4 times already!!!) > BTW, does the thinkpad 701c have a docking station ? Which model/part > is it ? > > P/S I just received my nameplate. Cool, it took only 2 months! > > Elvin > -- > > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | > | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | > +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 9 22:45:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16237; Sun, 9 Jun 96 22:45:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28810; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:41:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:37:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28422; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:37:38 -0400 Received: from fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (root@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.112.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA28413; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:37:32 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu (nscs21p2.remote.umass.edu [128.119.179.3]) by fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA12365 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 03:49:18 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960610023719.00676310@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> X-Sender: axel@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 22:37:19 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: TP701 modem keeps droppping line hi there, until now i thought that i just had a bad telephone line, but now it's getting pretty bad. my built-in modem drops the line usually after about 7-9 minutes on-line... in the beginning it was better during the night, but now even that isn't so. i'm using the tp701's built-in modem under win95 (with 16MB if it's of any importance), using the standard values, so it says 19.2 connect rate (which seems to be true, since i got ftp-transfers faster than 14.4, if my calculations were correct) when using ppp to the university. is that over spec, by the way? is there anything i can to to get more reliable connects, say maybe reducing the speed to 14.4, or do i have to ship the 'pad to ibm - i really want to avoid that, i'm addicted to it :) on the other hand, i don't want to leave it "broken". here (in the states), i can just re-establish the connection, but when i go back to germany, every new connection will cost real money... whine, axel hartmann ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 9 22:56:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16382; Sun, 9 Jun 96 22:56:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29704; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:52:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:50:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29427; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:50:22 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29417; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 22:50:20 -0400 Received: from dialin_7_22.enteract.com (dialin_7_22.enteract.com [206.54.253.101]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id VAA09031 for ; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 21:50:16 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: TP701 modem keeps droppping line Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 02:54:54 GMT Message-Id: <31bb8e37.5061888@smtp.enteract.com> References: <1.5.4.32.19960610023719.00676310@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960610023719.00676310@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On Sun, 09 Jun 1996 22:37:19 -0400, you wrote: |:hi there, |: |:until now i thought that i just had a bad telephone line, |:but now it's getting pretty bad. my built-in modem drops |:the line usually after about 7-9 minutes on-line... |:in the beginning it was better during the night, but now |:even that isn't so. What's your init string? Mine's at&f1&c1, and I'm fine. epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 9 23:40:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17122; Sun, 9 Jun 96 23:40:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02819; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:37:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:34:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02470; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:34:16 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (root@chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA02455; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:33:35 -0400 Received: from [128.125.224.10] (comserv-h-10.usc.edu [128.125.224.10]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id UAA10735; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 20:33:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 9 Jun 1996 20:34:06 -0700 To: Axel Hartmann , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: whittle@usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: Re: TP701 modem keeps droppping line At 10:37 PM 6/9/96, Axel Hartmann wrote: >i'm using the tp701's built-in modem under win95 (with 16MB >if it's of any importance), using the standard values, so >it says 19.2 connect rate (which seems to be true, since >i got ftp-transfers faster than 14.4, if my calculations >were correct) when using ppp to the university. is that >over spec, by the way? The modem actually handles v.32terbo, which does the 19+K speed you cite. It was a proprietary "speed bump up" that came out some time after v.32bis became popular/cheap enough to buy. I think owned & licensed it out. Didn't seem to get all that popular until too late (v.fast-class modems were already making inroads in preparation for v.34). At any rate, consider it a nice little "bonus" to help make up for the fact that you can't do 28.8. ;-) - Randy From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 9 23:48:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17305; Sun, 9 Jun 96 23:48:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03395; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:44:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:43:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03276; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:43:01 -0400 Received: from fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (root@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.112.111]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA03270; Sun, 9 Jun 1996 23:42:59 -0400 Received: from rheo-port.pse.umass.edu (nscs25p16.remote.umass.edu [128.119.179.101]) by fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id EAA12412 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:54:59 +0200 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960610034257.00695718@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de> X-Sender: axel@fmc-container.mach.uni-karlsruhe.de X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 09 Jun 1996 23:42:57 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Axel Hartmann Subject: Re: TP701 modem keeps droppping line whoops, first one went straight to epbrown... so i forward myself to the list: >hi again, > >>|:until now i thought that i just had a bad telephone line, >>|:but now it's getting pretty bad. my built-in modem drops >>|:the line usually after about 7-9 minutes on-line... >>|:in the beginning it was better during the night, but now >>|:even that isn't so. >> What's your init string? Mine's at&f1&c1, and I'm fine. > >to be honest, i don't know. i'm using the win95 plus pack, >and it worked pretty much out of the box. i didn't tell it >any at-commands, and i can't find any in any of the dialog >boxes, and i'm sure that i have gone through all of them. >where do i put that string you mention? please describe the >box and how you get there - i'm using the german win95 and >have to guess/translate as i go along... whoops, there goes my >connection, again. >by the way, a lot of the times, i hear a noise similar to the >phone picking up the line, only a little less loud, during >the connection. sometimes it's ok, but often, the connection >will then be lost. i guess that's "just" line-noise, because >i get it on voice calls, too, and sometimes i get noises like >that when the modem is plugged on the line, but not in use... > >it's real nice to get answers this fast, by the way, >thanks, > >axel > > ....................................................................... . Axel Hartmann . . Paper : 619 South East Street; Amherst, MA 01002; USA . . Voice : [USA] (413) 253-1404 . . E-Mail : mailto:Axel.Hartmann@stud.uni-karlsruhe.de . . Homepage : http://www.uni-karlsruhe.de/~Axel.Hartmann . . Mail-Drop : 42.4deg N, 72.5deg W . ....................................................................... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 10 04:06:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24232; Mon, 10 Jun 96 04:06:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19803; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:04:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:02:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19470; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:02:32 -0400 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19463; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:02:30 -0400 Received: from freefall.FreeBSD.ORG by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA12387; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:02:27 -0400 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA05778 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:02:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:02:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199606100802.BAA05778@freefall.freebsd.org> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: good key bindings for Doom and Duke3D Not having a numeric keyboard really makes it disadvantageous to playing Doom or Duke3D on my notebook computer. Some key operations like aim up and aim down are awkwardly placed in the default key bindings. What key bindings do people use for these games? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 10 04:06:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24233; Mon, 10 Jun 96 04:06:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19785; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:04:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:00:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19023; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:00:09 -0400 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA19003; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:00:06 -0400 Received: from freefall.FreeBSD.ORG by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA12400; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 04:00:03 -0400 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id BAA04895 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:00:02 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:00:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199606100800.BAA04895@freefall.freebsd.org> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: non-CDROM dictionaries My ThinkPad 701C does not have a CDROM, but it does have plenty of disk space. Is there a good English dictionary I can buy (preferably with pronounciations of all the words) which can be installed onto the hard drive (if need be, I have a CDROM on my desktop and can transfer the install from there)? The salespeople at my local computer stores are less than knowledgeable. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 10 09:44:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29165; Mon, 10 Jun 96 09:44:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18975; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:42:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:36:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18476; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:36:37 -0400 Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA18470; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:36:34 -0400 Received: from ursamajor.execpc.com (ursamajor.execpc.com [169.207.5.12]) by mail.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA06575 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 08:36:26 -0500 (CDT) From: emjay@execpc.com (Tom Kustner) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: heat dissipation Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:41:03 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <31bc24b4.2080723@mailgate.execpc.com> References: <9606071746.AA22486@nile.gnat.com> <31B86798.29B85DD8@mhv.net> In-Reply-To: <31B86798.29B85DD8@mhv.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Let quote from the June 25, 1996 PC Magazine (just arrived), from a review for the Toshiba Tecra 720CDT (pg. 41): "The fan never turned on during our tests, but the notebook's bottom did heat up and would have been uncomfortable to hold one one's lap." The 720CDT has a 133-mhz processor. Looks like the Thinkpad is not alone in warm cases. I talked to an IBM consultant this weekend who said heat had been noted on them and one was supposed to use the feet to help dissipate the heat. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: emjay@execpc.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 10 09:50:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29240; Mon, 10 Jun 96 09:50:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19702; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:49:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:47:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19540; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:47:46 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA19526; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:47:42 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA22080; Mon, 10 Jun 96 09:45:28 EDT Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 09:45:28 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606101345.AA22080@nile.gnat.com> To: emjay@execpc.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: heat dissipation "The 720CDT has a 133-mhz processor. Looks like the Thinkpad is not alone in warm cases. I talked to an IBM consultant this weekend who said heat had been noted on them and one was supposed to use the feet to help dissipate the heat." The IBM "consultant" does not know what he is talking about, at least in the case of the 760CD, there ARE no feet. There are also no feet on the 760E, so it would be REALLY peculiar if there were feet on the 760ED, since then the keyboard would really be at an uncomfortable angle. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 10 12:22:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03176; Mon, 10 Jun 96 12:22:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04229; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:12:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:09:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03963; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:09:42 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03956; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:09:29 -0400 Received: from ppp-jesse (worm-47.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.8.239]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA15597; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:11:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960610160839.0076a140@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 09:08:39 -0700 To: Jeffrey Hsu From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: non-CDROM dictionaries Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu I use: Random House Webster's Electronic Dictionary and Thesaurus, College Edition Version 1.0 Takes about 8 meg on the hard disk, does *not* use a CDROM. I've been using it happily for a few years now, and would recommend it. At 01:00 AM 6/10/96 -0700, Jeffrey Hsu wrote: >My ThinkPad 701C does not have a CDROM, but it does have plenty >of disk space. Is there a good English dictionary I can buy >(preferably with pronounciations of all the words) which can >be installed onto the hard drive (if need be, I have a CDROM >on my desktop and can transfer the install from there)? The >salespeople at my local computer stores are less than knowledgeable. > > _____________________________________________________ jesse montrose http://www.spine.com After seven years, I was sent home to my family. Little man, I give the watch to you. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 10 13:09:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04285; Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:09:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08536; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:02:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:01:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08375; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:00:56 -0400 Received: from jumbo.read.tasc.com (jumbo.read.tasc.com [147.81.244.117]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08368; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:00:53 -0400 Received: by jumbo.read.tasc.com (5.x/PRAT[SECURE-2.8]) id AA09266; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:00:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:00:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Robert Shemo To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Installing RedHat 3.0.3 on 760 In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960610160839.0076a140@mailhost.hooked.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am planning to install RedHat Linux 3.0.3 on my TP760CD from a CD. Before I go and buy the CD, has anybody had any luck with this on their 760CD. Is it as easy to install on the 760 as on a desktop or am I asking for trouble by trying to install from the CD. Thanks for your help! Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Robert E. Shemo TASC reshemo@tasc.com 55 Walkers Brook Dr. Voice: (617)942-2000 x3405 Reading, MA 01867 Fax: (617)942-7100 He may ride forever 'neath the streets of Boston, He's the man who never returned. -- "The MTA Song" by The Kingston Trio ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 10 13:42:25 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05099; Mon, 10 Jun 96 13:42:25 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11518; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:38:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:36:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11355; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:36:13 -0400 Received: from expert.cc.purdue.edu (yangcx@expert.cc.purdue.edu [128.210.10.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11345; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:35:56 -0400 Received: (from yangcx@localhost) by expert.cc.purdue.edu (8.7.4/8.7.3) id MAA24221; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:35:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 12:35:16 -0500 (EST) From: "Jimmy C. Yang" To: Neal Ostrem Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: No Subject (TP701 HD-Caddies) In-Reply-To: <31B85ADE.3F54BC7E@acuson.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, About the Toshiba 1300MB HD, does it come with the right caddy? Or we have to get it ourselves? Thanks, Jim On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Neal Ostrem wrote: > In answer to a), I have successfully used a Toshiba 810Mb (MK1926FCV) > drive > and a Toshiba 1300Mb (MK1301MAV) drive in my 701c. I used the 810Mb drive > for a number of months and all the power-management functions seemed to > work > fine. Noise level and battery life were not appreciably different from > the original drive. > > I've only had the 1300Mb drive for a couple of days so all I can really > report is that the BIOS does SEEM to recognize it correctly. The 701 > bios does have a bug in the way it displays the drive capacity though - > when the capacity reaches a 4 digit number the display routine chops off > the leading digit (in my case the "displayed" capacity is 250Mb). > However, when I run fdisk it correctly identifies and uses the full drive > capacity. > > -- > -------------- > > Neal Ostrem email: nealo@netcom.com > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 10 14:10:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06417; Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:10:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14723; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:07:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:05:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14467; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:05:47 -0400 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14455; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:05:42 -0400 Received: from dolphin-rs.state.or.us ([199.48.36.47]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA18530; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606101805.LAA18530@desiree.teleport.com> From: "Rob Saker" To: "Jeffrey Hsu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 11:02:35 -0800 Reply-To: "Rob Saker" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Robert Saker's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: non-CDROM dictionaries On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:00:02 -0700 (PDT), Jeffrey Hsu wrote: >My ThinkPad 701C does not have a CDROM, but it does have plenty >of disk space. Is there a good English dictionary I can buy >(preferably with pronounciations of all the words) which can >be installed onto the hard drive The American Heritage Dictionary can be installed to HD. Version 4 Deluxe for Windows came on both HD and CD-ROM; the CR-ROM has voice synthesis pronunciation, the disk version has the standard phonetic guide (about 20M). The Deluxe version has some 130,000 words. It's marketed by Softkey and I've seen is for as low as $20. There's an OS/2 version available, also /* Rob Saker - resaker@teleport.com */ /* Warped at home; Connected at work */ /* Win95?? I already have a Nintendo */ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 10 14:15:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06625; Mon, 10 Jun 96 14:15:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14905; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:09:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:08:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14808; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:08:19 -0400 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA14802; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 14:08:16 -0400 Received: from dolphin-rs.state.or.us ([199.48.36.47]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA20059; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 11:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606101808.LAA20059@desiree.teleport.com> From: "Rob Saker" To: "Jeffrey Hsu" , "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Date: Mon, 10 Jun 96 11:05:15 -0800 Reply-To: "Rob Saker" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Robert Saker's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: good key bindings for Doom and Duke3D On Mon, 10 Jun 1996 01:02:26 -0700 (PDT), Jeffrey Hsu wrote: >Not having a numeric keyboard really makes it disadvantageous to playing >Doom or Duke3D on my notebook computer. Some key operations like >aim up and aim down are awkwardly placed in the default key bindings. >What key bindings do people use for these games? Theres an alternative that you may want to look at. Several manufactures have a Nintendo type game pad that is actually a keyboard emulator, plugs into you keyboard port; most are programable. I use one at home with a joystick for 2 handed game playing. /* Rob Saker - resaker@teleport.com */ /* Warped at home; Connected at work */ /* Win95?? I already have a Nintendo */ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 10 17:22:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17542; Mon, 10 Jun 96 17:22:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03423; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:17:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:07:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02421; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:07:13 -0400 Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02414; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 17:07:10 -0400 Received: from zima.execpc.com (zima.execpc.com [169.207.5.176]) by mail.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id QAA19152 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 16:07:00 -0500 (CDT) From: emjay@execpc.com (Tom Kustner) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Who has a 760CD or 760ED in stock? Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 21:11:38 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <31b8a434.7321612@mailgate.execpc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Does anyone know a place that has the 760CD machines in stock? We *might* be getting a 760ED in 3 weeks, but that's a maybe. Meanwhile, I will go off to NECX Direct's WWW page... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: emjay@execpc.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 10 20:26:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24165; Mon, 10 Jun 96 20:26:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA16082; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:24:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:21:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15862; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:21:08 -0400 Received: from mbox.kyoto-inet.or.jp (mbox.kyoto-inet.or.jp [202.245.160.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA15839; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:20:57 -0400 Received: from jgood.mbox.ktoto-inet.or.jp (ppp159.kyoto-inet.or.jp [202.245.160.205]) by mbox.kyoto-inet.or.jp (8.7.5/3.4W-01/10/96) with SMTP id JAA07469 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:20:42 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <199606110020.JAA07469@mbox.kyoto-inet.or.jp> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "John E Goodman" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 09:20:38 0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: non-CDROM dictionaries Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.30) I'm using the Random House Unabridged [no version number]. Takes about 50 meg on the hd (which doesn't include pronunciation files). Was a trial and error setup to get the right files copied to my TP from the CD. Only complaint is that the hotkey callup routine from WordPerfect doesn't load the highlighted word into the lookup window. Comes with the hard cover five inch thick tome, and the 50 megs of files seems to contain every word. Costs about $70. At 1:00 10 Jun 96, you wrote: > My ThinkPad 701C does not have a CDROM, but it does have plenty > of disk space. Is there a good English dictionary I can buy > (preferably with pronounciations of all the words) which can > be installed onto the hard drive (if need be, I have a CDROM > on my desktop and can transfer the install from there)? The > salespeople at my local computer stores are less than knowledgeable. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 10 20:59:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24890; Mon, 10 Jun 96 20:59:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18818; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:57:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:56:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18689; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:56:17 -0400 Received: from dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (dragon.cnm.columbia.edu [128.59.192.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA18676; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:56:01 -0400 Received: from milou.jrn.columbia.edu (dialup247.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.36.247]) by dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9/sed) with SMTP id UAA24547 for ; Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:55:22 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960611005452.00997384@jrn.columbia.edu> X-Sender: yann@jrn.columbia.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 10 Jun 1996 20:54:52 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Yann Nicolas Subject: LAN+28.8 modem PC cards and Thinkpads... I just don't get it... I've gone through 4 different cards from 3 different vendors and on 3 different Thinkpads, on 3 different phone lines and to 2 different phone numbers. It get absolutely dismal performances from the modem part of the card. I had a TP500 and an 3Com Etherlink III LAN+28.8 modem card. I could not get more than 0.2 K/s with the modem. I got above 1.4 K/s with a Megahertz XJ1144 14.4 modem (which I sold with my TP500). I switched to a TP701 and thought the problem would go away. Nope. Same dismal performances. I get great performance from the internal TP701 modem, but for work purpose I'd really like a 28.8 and above connection. I also need an ethernet connection for the office. I thought it was the card. I had it replaced by 3Com. Same problem. So to test, I bought a Megahertz XJ3888 LAN+28.8 PC card (the latest one). I could never install the card (lock ups, crash, etc...). I had it replaced and it still would not install. The Megahertz technician decided that the card just does not work in a TP701 w/ Win95 (just like that and then hung up!). There goes my trust in Megahertz... I returned the card... Finally I buy a Xircom CEM288 LAN+28.8 PC card. The ethernet part works fine, same bad performance in the modem (slow as hell, drops connections and suddenly will stop downloads out of the blue)... I'll return it tomorrow... It can't really be the Thinkpad itself either, since I tested those cards in 3 separate TP701s... I discarded a line problem since I use the same line for my desktop and get about 2.7 K/s using the same number... So... Now what? Is any other TP701 owner having the same problems as me? I haven't tried to get 2 separate cards (one ethernet and one 28.8 modem)... Any recommendations? Advices? Thanks in advance... -- Yann Nicolas Systems Manager - Graduate School of Journalism, Columbia University yann@jrn.columbia.edu - http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/~yann/soccer.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 11 06:49:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08280; Tue, 11 Jun 96 06:49:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA04106; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:49:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:42:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03720; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:42:41 -0400 Received: from baker.cnw.com (root@baker.cnw.com [206.40.133.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA03713; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 06:42:37 -0400 Received: from cnw.com (skag1-07.cnw.com [206.40.133.47]) by baker.cnw.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id DAA19455 for ; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 03:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606111042.DAA19455@baker.cnw.com> From: Vicky Stables Reply-To: Vicky Stables Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 03:36:51 -0700 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: non-CDROM dictionaries [and Thesaurus] X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.03 In <2.2.32.19960610160839.0076a140@mailhost.hooked.net>, on 06/10/96 at 09:08 AM, jesse montrose said: >I use: >Random House Webster's >Electronic Dictionary and Thesaurus, College Edition >Version 1.0 >Takes about 8 meg on the hard disk, does *not* use a CDROM. >I've been using it happily for a few years now, and would recommend it. While we are on this subject, I am looking for a thesaurus that works like Roget's printed version, ie explain the differences between similar words and give usage examples. All the compouter versions I have tried only give you lists, and perhaps dictionary definitions, but not the subtle nuances that make one word more appropriate than another. Any suggestions? TIA Vicky -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Vicky Stables ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 11 13:58:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21961; Tue, 11 Jun 96 13:58:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12796; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:57:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:52:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11809; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:52:39 -0400 Received: from netcom3.netcom.com (root@netcom3.netcom.com [192.100.81.103]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA11760; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:52:28 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom3.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id KAA16398; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:22:11 -0700 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 10:22:11 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199606111722.KAA16398@netcom3.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: dock 1 scsi, linux, and recovery pack I'm trying to install linux via an external scsi cd-rom and a dock 1 on my 755cx. I tell Linux to look for the 8-bit Future Domain host adapter (is that right?) and the boot message indicates the adapter is found, but the CD-rom drive itself doesn't get noticed. On the other hand, the CD drive *does* get initialized properly (makes thunking noise) when the system is first booted. So at least the adapter knows it's there. The Dock 1 manual doesn't have any instructions about turning the scsi bios (if there is one) on and off and it's even confusing about scsi bus termination. For example it mentions an internal active terminator but says nothing about how to turn it on or off. And the dock is normally shipped with no external terminator. Finally I tried re-installing the Thinkpad sw from the recovery pack and that lost too, saying IBMCD.SYS missing or something like that. This was using the boot floppy that came with the pack, but I messed up the first attempt and had to try again; and the aborted first attempt apparently changed some files on the floppy which I restored from a copy I had previously made on my HD. The Dock 1 is looking like a bigger and bigger kludge to me all the time. I bought the thing because I expected no trouble finding a low profile (1" high) CD drive to install in it, but these doesn't seem to exist any more (except the very expensive 2x model from IBM) so I had to resort to an external drive. I'm also disappointed that it has an 8 bit scsi controller since it will give lower speed than a PC card adapter would. Anyone know if there's any problems using an Adaptec 1542CF in the Dock 1's ISA slot? I know some other vendors' docks have trouble with bus mastering cards. Anyone want to buy a Dock 1 with the external scsi cable, relatively cheap? Sorry for the rant. Any advice appreciated. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 11 14:27:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23189; Tue, 11 Jun 96 14:27:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17293; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:27:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:26:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17145; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:26:23 -0400 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17137; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:26:18 -0400 Received: from freefall.FreeBSD.ORG by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA25659; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:26:07 -0400 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id LAA17201; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:22:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199606111822.LAA17201@freefall.freebsd.org> To: reshemo@read.tasc.com Subject: Re: Installing RedHat 3.0.3 on 760 Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > I am planning to install RedHat Linux 3.0.3 on my TP760CD from a CD On a new machine, check out FreeBSD (http://www.freebsd.org) before doing something like that. It can even run Linux executables should you have a need to do something like that. Most people who try FreeBSD never go back. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 11 14:51:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24210; Tue, 11 Jun 96 14:51:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20015; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:51:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:49:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19709; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:49:16 -0400 Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19692; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:49:00 -0400 Received: by portal.visa.com id AA22311 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu); Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:48:37 GMT Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Tue, 11 Jun 1996 18:48:37 GMT Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:46:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Huber To: Jeffrey Hsu Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Installing RedHat 3.0.3 on 760 In-Reply-To: <199606111822.LAA17201@freefall.freebsd.org> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What's the difference between the two operating systems and what difference does it make that it is going to be installed "On a new machine, ..."? Thanks! On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Jeffrey Hsu wrote: > > I am planning to install RedHat Linux 3.0.3 on my TP760CD from a CD > > On a new machine, check out FreeBSD (http://www.freebsd.org) before doing > something like that. It can even run Linux executables should you have > a need to do something like that. Most people who try FreeBSD never go back. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 11 14:58:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24303; Tue, 11 Jun 96 14:58:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20841; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:58:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:56:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20598; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:55:59 -0400 Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com ([198.73.240.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20547; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:55:32 -0400 Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA22222; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:54:11 -0400 From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199606111854.OAA22222@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: Re: dock 1 scsi, linux, and recovery pack To: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:54:10 -0400 (EDT) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199606111722.KAA16398@netcom3.netcom.com> from "Paul Rubin" at Jun 11, 96 10:22:11 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'm trying to install linux via an external scsi cd-rom and a dock 1 > on my 755cx. Ah, the Dock I and Linux. I've spent some time over the last week trying to get this combination to work. The quick summary: yes, it works, but not without some work, and I couldn't get it to work reliably in 1.2.13. > I tell Linux to look for the 8-bit Future Domain host adapter > (is that right?) and the boot message indicates the adapter is Yes, the Dock I uses a Future Domain TMC-950 chip, which is indeed 8-bit. > The Dock 1 manual doesn't have any instructions about turning > the scsi bios (if there is one) on and off and it's even confusing > about scsi bus termination. For example it mentions an internal > active terminator but says nothing about how to turn it on or off. > And the dock is normally shipped with no external terminator. At least you have a manual :-) > Finally I tried re-installing the Thinkpad sw from the recovery > pack and that lost too, saying IBMCD.SYS missing or something > like that. This was using the boot floppy that came with the pack, > but I messed up the first attempt and had to try again; and the > aborted first attempt apparently changed some files on the floppy > which I restored from a copy I had previously made on my HD. I have no experience with the recovery pack, I'm afraid. > The Dock 1 is looking like a bigger and bigger kludge to me all > the time. I bought the thing because I expected no trouble finding > a low profile (1" high) CD drive to install in it, but these doesn't > seem to exist any more (except the very expensive 2x model from IBM) > so I had to resort to an external drive. I'm also disappointed > that it has an 8 bit scsi controller since it will give lower speed > than a PC card adapter would. Agreed, the Dock I SCSI is pretty poor. I was disappointed in its capabilities. > Anyone know if there's any problems using an Adaptec 1542CF in the > Dock 1's ISA slot? I know some other vendors' docks have trouble > with bus mastering cards. The 1542CF works fine in the Dock 1. Anyway, here are the gory details on my Linux experiences. I was going to write them up and send them to the Linux-on-ThinkPad page maintainer, but I'm still doing some experiments with the prelease 2.0 kernels. First of all, I did my initial Linux install (a 1.2.13 kernel from a Slackware-based distribution) from a borrowed Adaptec 1542CF installed in the Dock I's slot (at the time, I didn't have the appropriate external cable for the Dock I's SCSI). Eventually I got a cable, and was able to get the dock's internal SCSI adapter recognized, using the bootstring of the form "tmc8xx=," However, the adapter returned junk from the device identification bus probe at bootup, and none of the attached devices worked. After hacking around, I found that removing the compile-time "ARBITRATION" option from the tmc8xx driver allowed things to mostly work OK, and I was able to access an attached external 3x CD-ROM. So, I attached an an additional external SCSI hard drive as well, and built a filesystem, etc. However, that didn't work so well -- in particular, I'd observe bus hangs and file corruption on the SCSI hard disk when writing large files (16mb or so). Next, I investigated some of the development kernels. I noticed the changes summary for 1.3.50 mentioned some fixes for the seagate driver. (The Seagate ST0x and Future Domain TMC-950-based boards, which is what's in the Dock I, are almost identical, and are both implemented in the kernel source module "drivers/scsi/seagate.c".) So, I repeated my experiments with 1.3.85. I still had to remove the "ARBITRATION" option, but I didn't experience any bus hangs or file corruption, after working the SCSI devices fairly hard. I was also successful in attaching and using an external DAT drive (I didn't try that with 1.2.13 at all). Final summary: - I needed to remove the "ARBITRATION" option in all cases. - the driver in 1.2.13 is flakey under load, but seems solid under 1.3.85 (I picked 1.3.85 more-or-less at random, by the way; my guess is that it's solid in anything above 1.3.50). - performance is fairly poor; the hardware really isn't very capable. - you're very unlikely to be able to do an installation from the Dock 1 SCSI. Hope this helps somebody. BTW, all this was with a ThinkPad 360Cs with 20 megs of memory. -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 11 16:09:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27354; Tue, 11 Jun 96 16:09:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27326; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:09:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:06:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27098; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:06:32 -0400 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27077; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:06:22 -0400 Received: from freefall.FreeBSD.ORG by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA28908; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:05:01 -0400 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id NAA21906; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:03:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:03:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199606112003.NAA21906@freefall.freebsd.org> To: rhuber@interactive.visa.com Subject: Re: Installing RedHat 3.0.3 on 760 Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > What's the difference between the two operating systems At the shell level (tcsh, bash, ksh, etc), you won't see much difference. They both run XFree86, so you won't see much difference in the GUI either. It's when you look underneath at how the kernel works that you see difference. Obviously I think BSD is more mature, stable, robust, and so on. The two also perform differently under load and when networking. Obviously, I think BSD comes out ahead here too. This is not the right group to discuss all the reasons why you want to run true blue Unix(tm) decescendant rather than some kludged up hack of a toy operating system, so I won't go into this further. FreeBSD also has a central distribution. None of this what version do I run, which libraries are you using, and why doesn't make work with libc version XXX? > what difference does it make that it is going to be installed > "On a new machine, ..."? Lots of people are locked into an OS because that's what they've already installed on their system and "it's good enough". Even though there's something technically better, the pain of switching from DOS, or Windows, or Linux is to great for them. So a new machine represents a great opportunity to make that leap forward. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 11 16:13:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27373; Tue, 11 Jun 96 16:13:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27828; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:12:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:11:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27674; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:11:29 -0400 Received: from www.cep.yale.edu (www.cep.yale.edu [130.132.125.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA27668; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:11:26 -0400 Received: (from adept@localhost) by www.cep.yale.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id QAA11901; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:11:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:11:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben To: Rob Huber Cc: Jeffrey Hsu , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Installing RedHat 3.0.3 on 760 In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 11 Jun 1996, Rob Huber wrote: > What's the difference between the two operating systems and what difference > does it make that it is going to be installed "On a new machine, ..."? Difference? Go to one of the newsgroups to watch the flame wars. Lets not go into that here. On a new machine? Because then you won't have any legacy code hanging around and you can make a nice clean start. Ben. FreeBSD 2.1.0-R and Win95(Hey! WordPerfect for Windows rocks!) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 11 16:18:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27413; Tue, 11 Jun 96 16:18:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28536; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:17:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:16:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28309; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:16:23 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA28190; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 16:15:52 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27401; Tue, 11 Jun 96 16:15:38 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu id m0uTZqk-0000UcC (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.37); Tue, 11 Jun 96 16:15 EDT Message-Id: Date: Tue, 11 Jun 96 16:15 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: hsu@freefall.freebsd.org Cc: rhuber@interactive.visa.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199606112003.NAA21906@freefall.freebsd.org> (hsu@freefall.freebsd.org) Subject: Installing RedHat 3.0.3 on 760 X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 13:03:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Hsu > What's the difference between the two operating systems At the shell level (tcsh, bash, ksh, etc), you won't see much difference. [...] Please, let's not engage in this discussion. This is the kind of topic that leads to protracted flame wars. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 11 17:40:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00060; Tue, 11 Jun 96 17:40:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06645; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:39:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:32:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05864; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:31:57 -0400 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05840; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:31:54 -0400 Received: from freefall.FreeBSD.ORG by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA29753; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 17:31:51 -0400 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id OAA28841; Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 11 Jun 1996 14:31:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199606112131.OAA28841@freefall.freebsd.org> To: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu Subject: Re: Installing RedHat 3.0.3 on 760 Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu I agree. You left out the part of my quote which said this is not the right group for discussing this. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 12 03:21:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28289; Wed, 12 Jun 96 03:21:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13511; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 03:21:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 03:15:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13030; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 03:15:53 -0400 Received: from unix.asb.com (root@unix.asb.com [165.254.128.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13019; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 03:15:49 -0400 Received: from sls1.asb.com (sls1.asb.com [165.254.128.11]) by unix.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id DAA22190; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 03:17:53 -0400 From: christij@unix.asb.com (Joseph Christie) To: Jeffrey Hsu Cc: reshemo@read.tasc.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Installing RedHat 3.0.3 on 760 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 07:15:19 GMT Organization: Just me and I'm not organized Message-Id: <31be6e43.17768512@unix.asb.com> References: <199606111822.LAA17201@freefall.freebsd.org> In-Reply-To: <199606111822.LAA17201@freefall.freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On Tue, 11 Jun 1996 11:22:18 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > > I am planning to install RedHat Linux 3.0.3 on my TP760CD from a CD > >On a new machine, check out FreeBSD (http://www.freebsd.org) before doing >something like that. It can even run Linux executables should you have >a need to do something like that. Most people who try FreeBSD never go back. > Never could get it to boot on my 701C. Just read the floppy boot sector and froze up. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 423B78C80FEA5495 CF64AD5F214797DE http://www.asb.com/usr/christij 95E3789C5679C4D7 03210B57E76FE66 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole. - Malcolm X From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 12 05:20:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00738; Wed, 12 Jun 96 05:20:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA22785; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 05:20:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 05:18:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21642; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 05:18:04 -0400 Received: from halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu (halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu [18.26.0.159]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA21625; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 05:18:02 -0400 Received: from freefall.FreeBSD.ORG by halloran-eldar.lcs.mit.edu; (5.65/1.1.8.2/19Aug95-0530PM) id AA01040; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 05:18:00 -0400 Received: (from hsu@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA10850; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 02:16:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 02:16:42 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeffrey Hsu Message-Id: <199606120916.CAA10850@freefall.freebsd.org> To: christij@unix.asb.com Subject: Re: Installing RedHat 3.0.3 on 760 Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu > Never could get it to boot on my 701C. Not sure which OS you're refering to. I do know that FreeBSD runs fine on both my 701C and my friend's slightly differently configured 701CS. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 12 09:03:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06449; Wed, 12 Jun 96 09:03:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09276; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:03:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:57:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08703; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:57:56 -0400 Received: from mailhost.onramp.net (mailhost.onramp.net [199.1.11.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA08696; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 08:57:48 -0400 Received: from rickt.onramp.net (stemmons43.onramp.net [199.1.11.207]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA15995 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 07:57:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960612115646.006bc874@psa.pencom.com> X-Sender: rickt@psa.pencom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 06:56:46 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rick Tait Subject: MWave modem under Win95? Hi folks, I've got a Thinkpad 755CX upon which I just installed Win95. I upgraded the BIOS with the disk that Tech Support recommended, I have installed the MWave drivers for both DOS and Windows - the audio facilities of the MWave DSP are working fine (I have Windows sound and all that jazz), and Win95 *is* seeing the DSP modem just fine, BUT, whenever I try and use it, the modem just isn't getting any dialtone, when I know that the line I am using is fine. Is there anything special I need to do to get this 28.8 modem working properly? Any help and hints would be greatly appreciated, /rickt -- rickt@psa.pencom.com "I came to this country to chew bubblegum and to kick your ass" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 12 09:06:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06454; Wed, 12 Jun 96 09:06:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09486; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:05:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:04:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09311; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:04:08 -0400 Received: from floyd.noc.interop.net (floyd.noc.interop.net [45.128.12.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA09296; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:04:04 -0400 Received: from ssh-net2.noc.interop.net (ssh-net2.noc.interop.net [45.128.12.222]) by floyd.noc.interop.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id PAA29014; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 15:05:27 +0100 (WET DST) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960612130406.00911634@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 07:04:06 -0600 To: Rick Tait , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: MWave modem under Win95? At 06:56 AM 6/12/96 -0500, Rick Tait wrote: >Hi folks, > >I've got a Thinkpad 755CX upon which I just installed Win95. >I upgraded the BIOS with the disk that Tech Support recommended, I >have installed the MWave drivers for both DOS and Windows - the >audio facilities of the MWave DSP are working fine (I have >Windows sound and all that jazz), and Win95 *is* seeing the DSP >modem just fine, BUT, whenever I try and use it, the modem just >isn't getting any dialtone, when I know that the line I am using >is fine. > >Is there anything special I need to do to get this 28.8 modem >working properly? Did you install the Win95 drivers for MWave? Or the 3.1 drivers? If you installed the Win95 drivers, did Win95 notice the new device when you rebooted? If not, try this: Disable MWave. Reboot Delete MWave from all hardware profiles Reboot Enable MWave Reboot Win95 *should* find the modem and sound when you reboot, and tell you that it found the IBM MWave device. If it doesn't, I think you have old drivers. ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Specialists in temporary and demonstration environments http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 12 09:41:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07058; Wed, 12 Jun 96 09:41:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12724; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:41:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:39:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12457; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:39:10 -0400 Received: from piedmont.net (piedmont.net [205.245.76.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA12450; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:39:06 -0400 Received: from tstaples (d12.piedmont.net [205.245.76.52]) by piedmont.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA14141; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:38:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199606121338.JAA14141@piedmont.net> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Tony Staples" To: Rick Tait Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:36:05 +0000 Subject: Re: MWave modem under Win95? Reply-To: tstaples@piedmont.net Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.32a) > I've got a Thinkpad 755CX upon which I just installed Win95. > I upgraded the BIOS with the disk that Tech Support recommended, I > have installed the MWave drivers for both DOS and Windows - the > audio facilities of the MWave DSP are working fine (I have > Windows sound and all that jazz), and Win95 *is* seeing the DSP > modem just fine, BUT, whenever I try and use it, the modem just > isn't getting any dialtone, when I know that the line I am using > is fine. > > Is there anything special I need to do to get this 28.8 modem > working properly? I had this same problem with my 755CD when I first purchased it. In my case, the connector that accepts the phone jack wasn't fully seated into the machine. Make sure it is completly installed and locked into place. The locking lever is under the keyboard, in the upper left, above the phone jack connector. Tony Staples tstaples@piedmont.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 12 10:33:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08319; Wed, 12 Jun 96 10:33:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18255; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:33:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:31:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17948; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:31:12 -0400 Received: from ts81.pcug.org.au (ts81.pcug.org.au [203.10.76.81]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17926; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:30:55 -0400 From: Received: by ts81.pcug.org.au (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0037; Thu, 13 Jun 96 00:32:35 -0700 Message-Id: <9606130732.AA0037@ts81.pcug.org.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 96 00:26:24 +1000 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP760CD and OS/2 CD-i player X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <33_96_1_834639984> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am not having a lot of luck getting the OS/2 Video CD player working on my 760CD. It traps nine out of ten times. I'd like to hear from anyone else out there with a 760CD who uses OS/2 and plays CD-i video cds. Good and bad reports. Please :) Whilst I am asking. What are your experiences with Video In? I have found that in 800x600x64k colour mode video-in doesn't want to work. If I switch to 800x600x256 colours video-in works. Anyone else? Tips? /************************************************/ /* | Scuba Diving: */ /* Neil Mclean | Down Under in a */ /* Canberra, Australia | Land Down Under */ /************************************************/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 12 10:47:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08659; Wed, 12 Jun 96 10:47:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20195; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:47:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:45:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19923; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:45:46 -0400 Received: from igw2.watson.ibm.com (igw2.watson.ibm.com [129.34.139.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA19876; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:45:39 -0400 Received: from mailhub1.watson.ibm.com (mailhub1.watson.ibm.com [9.2.249.31]) by igw2.watson.ibm.com (8.7.4/8.7.1) with ESMTP id KAA06093 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:45:52 -0400 Received: from springer.watson.ibm.com (springer.watson.ibm.com [9.2.221.83]) by mailhub1.watson.ibm.com (8.7.1/03-28-96) with SMTP id KAA29090 for ; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:45:30 -0400 Received: by springer.watson.ibm.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/930311) id AA16329; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:45:30 -0400 From: fateh@watson.ibm.com (Fateh A. Tipu) Message-Id: <9606121445.AA16329@springer.watson.ibm.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 755CX, Linux/XFree86 800x600 mode ?? Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 10:45:29 -0500 Problem: -------- I am trying to find out how to get 800x600 res on a 755CX (SVGA) running Linux and XFree86 3.1.2. Now the Details: ---------------- I have recently installed Linux (Slackware 3.0.0) with XFree86 3.1.2 on my Thinkpad 755CX (SVGA model). I use OS/2 Boot Manager to boot either to OS/2 or to Linux. X is running properly in 640x480 mode. I have note been able to get 800x600 mode on the LCD. 800x600 mode and also 1024x768 mode work fine on an external display. This machine has WD 90C24 video chip. I have tried changing the XF86Config but it did not help. All I get on the LCD is horizontal lines on the top 3/4 of the display and a verticle line about an inch from the right side. I read in a HOWTO that a command "PS2 MODE3X ON" has to be executed in DOS to enable video mode 3 extensions and then boot Linux using LOADLIN.EXE, to be able to use 800x600 resolution. I don't have this setup so couldn't try it. Any help is appreciated. -- Tipu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 12 10:56:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09032; Wed, 12 Jun 96 10:56:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21254; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:55:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:54:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20908; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:54:09 -0400 Received: from chelsea.ios.com (root@chelsea.ios.com [198.4.75.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA20883; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:54:02 -0400 Received: (from ingerman@localhost) by chelsea.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id KAA28169; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:53:29 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 10:53:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark M. Ingerman" X-Sender: ingerman@chelsea.ios.com To: Rick Tait Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: MWave modem under Win95? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960612115646.006bc874@psa.pencom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Rick Tait wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've got a Thinkpad 755CX upon which I just installed Win95. > I upgraded the BIOS with the disk that Tech Support recommended, I > have installed the MWave drivers for both DOS and Windows - the > audio facilities of the MWave DSP are working fine (I have > Windows sound and all that jazz), and Win95 *is* seeing the DSP > modem just fine, BUT, whenever I try and use it, the modem just > isn't getting any dialtone, when I know that the line I am using > is fine. > > Is there anything special I need to do to get this 28.8 modem > working properly? > Assuming that you have installed the correct drivers, and the jack connector is seated properly, there is another thing to try. I had the same problem. You might have an interrupt conflict. I don't know what PCMCIA cards you have installed, if any. I had this problem. Apparently, the MWAVE device uses ( I think ) 3 interrupts. One for sound blaster emulation, one for the DSP, and one for the modem ( I'm not sure why ). In my case, two of the three where fine; I would get the systems sounds, some lights on the modem would flash, but no dial tone or connection. Go into the driver managerand chekc ALL of the branches. You may have an interrupt confict.. Mark M. Ingerman Creative Software Solutions, Inc. ingerman@cs2.com (508) 394-5899 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 12 11:13:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11032; Wed, 12 Jun 96 11:13:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23089; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:12:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:11:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22912; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:11:13 -0400 Received: from earth.usa.net (wdunn@earth.usa.net [192.156.196.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA22896; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:11:08 -0400 Received: (from wdunn@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id JAA20927; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:10:45 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 09:10:44 -0600 (MDT) From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications X-Sender: wdunn@earth To: Rick Tait Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: MWave modem under Win95? In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960612115646.006bc874@psa.pencom.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Rick-- My bet is that the jack that connects with the ThinkPad is not seated properly. If you flip the keyboard up there is a blue switch which locks down the floppy drive. When this is pushed all the way to the left it pops out the phone jack. I have found that having the phone cord still connected and applying a gentle tug will help pull the jack free. Then place it back into its slot and make sure it is seated properly. This worked when my 755CX was new and had a similar problem. Since then I have configured 755CX with WIN95 and have gotten the modems to run at 28.8 just fine. Good luck. --wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder, CO On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Rick Tait wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've got a Thinkpad 755CX upon which I just installed Win95. > I upgraded the BIOS with the disk that Tech Support recommended, I > have installed the MWave drivers for both DOS and Windows - the > audio facilities of the MWave DSP are working fine (I have > Windows sound and all that jazz), and Win95 *is* seeing the DSP > modem just fine, BUT, whenever I try and use it, the modem just > isn't getting any dialtone, when I know that the line I am using > is fine. > > Is there anything special I need to do to get this 28.8 modem > working properly? > > Any help and hints would be greatly appreciated, > /rickt > -- > rickt@psa.pencom.com > "I came to this country to chew bubblegum and to kick your ass" > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 12 11:26:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11804; Wed, 12 Jun 96 11:26:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24601; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:26:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:24:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24231; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:24:18 -0400 Received: from ramcad.pica.army.mil ([129.139.176.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24222; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:24:09 -0400 Received: from pc-mellis.pica.army.mil by ramcad.pica.army.mil id aa08463; 12 Jun 96 11:11 EDT From: Mark Ellis To: thinkpad Maillist Subject: Fw: MWave modem under Win95? Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:20:38 -0400 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1085 Message-Id: <9606121111.aa08463@ramcad.pica.army.mil> I agree. Same thing happened to me with a 755CDV. Boy, was I embarassed when that was the problem. -- Mark Ellis Picatinny Arsenal, NJ ---------- > From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications > To: Rick Tait > Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > Subject: Re: MWave modem under Win95? > Date: Wednesday, June 12, 1996 11:10 AM > > Rick-- > > My bet is that the jack that connects with the ThinkPad is not seated > properly. If you flip the keyboard up there is a blue switch which locks > down the floppy drive. When this is pushed all the way to the left it > pops out the phone jack. I have found that having the phone cord still > connected and applying a gentle tug will help pull the jack free. Then > place it back into its slot and make sure it is seated properly. This > worked when my 755CX was new and had a similar problem. Since then I > have configured 755CX with WIN95 and have gotten the modems to run at > 28.8 just fine. Good luck. > > --wwd > > Will Dunn > Leopard Communications > Boulder, CO > > On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Rick Tait wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > > > I've got a Thinkpad 755CX upon which I just installed Win95. > > I upgraded the BIOS with the disk that Tech Support recommended, I > > have installed the MWave drivers for both DOS and Windows - the > > audio facilities of the MWave DSP are working fine (I have > > Windows sound and all that jazz), and Win95 *is* seeing the DSP > > modem just fine, BUT, whenever I try and use it, the modem just > > isn't getting any dialtone, when I know that the line I am using > > is fine. > > > > Is there anything special I need to do to get this 28.8 modem > > working properly? > > > > Any help and hints would be greatly appreciated, > > /rickt > > -- > > rickt@psa.pencom.com > > "I came to this country to chew bubblegum and to kick your ass" > > > > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 12 11:46:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12357; Wed, 12 Jun 96 11:46:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26522; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:45:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:43:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26214; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:43:25 -0400 Received: from chelsea.ios.com (root@chelsea.ios.com [198.4.75.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26199; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:43:19 -0400 Received: (from ingerman@localhost) by chelsea.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id LAA01733; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:43:15 -0400 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:43:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark M. Ingerman" X-Sender: ingerman@chelsea.ios.com To: Thinkpad Forum Subject: MWave on Win95 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 12 Jun 1996, Rick Tait wrote: > Hi folks, > > I've got a Thinkpad 755CX upon which I just installed Win95. > I upgraded the BIOS with the disk that Tech Support recommended, I > have installed the MWave drivers for both DOS and Windows - the > audio facilities of the MWave DSP are working fine (I have > Windows sound and all that jazz), and Win95 *is* seeing the DSP > modem just fine, BUT, whenever I try and use it, the modem just > isn't getting any dialtone, when I know that the line I am using is fine. > > Is there anything special I need to do to get this 28.8 modem > working properly? > Assuming that you have installed the correct drivers, and the jack connector is seated properly, there is another thing to try. I had the same problem. You might have an interrupt conflict. I don't know what PCMCIA cards you have installed, if any. I had this problem. Apparently, the MWAVE device uses ( I think ) 3 interrupts. One for sound blaster emulation, one for the DSP, and one for the modem ( I'm not sure why ). In my case, two of the three where fine; I would get the systems sounds, some lights on the modem would flash, but no dial tone or connection. Go into the driver managerand chekc ALL of the branches. You may have an interrupt confict.. Mark M. Ingerman Creative Software Solutions, Inc. ingerman@cs2.com (508) 394-5899 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 12 11:59:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12681; Wed, 12 Jun 96 11:59:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA28029; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:59:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:58:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27919; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:58:19 -0400 Received: from ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp (firewall-user@ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp [202.32.89.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27906; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 11:58:12 -0400 Received: by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp; id AAA01992; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 00:57:57 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.254.20) by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp via smap (g3.0.3) id xma001986; Thu, 13 Jun 96 00:57:31 +0900 Received: by ig.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-ocgwin) id AAA23304; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 00:58:34 +0900 Received: by hamlet.wg.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-hamlet) id AAA10410; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 00:57:30 +0900 Received: by othello.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb/2.8Wb-othello) id AAA26106; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 00:57:26 +0900 From: Jeffrey Friedl Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 00:58:25 +0900 Message-Id: <199606121558.AAA05894@tubby.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp> To: fateh@watson.ibm.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9606121445.AA16329@springer.watson.ibm.com> (fateh@watson.ibm.com) Subject: Re: 755CX, Linux/XFree86 800x600 mode ?? Reply-To: jfriedl@omron.co.jp Fateh A Tipu wrote: |> I read in a HOWTO that a command "PS2 MODE3X ON" has to be executed |> in DOS to enable video mode 3 extensions and then boot Linux using |> LOADLIN.EXE, to be able to use 800x600 resolution. I don't have this |> setup so couldn't try it. At this point, you have no other choice if you want it. You don't need DOS on your hard disk -- just a floppy is fine. I posted detailed instructions to this list less than a week ago. Jeffrey From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 12 16:51:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25165; Wed, 12 Jun 96 16:51:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA25795; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:47:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:41:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24717; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:41:18 -0400 Received: from hac2arpa.hac.com (hac2arpa.HAC.COM [192.27.0.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA24707; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:41:14 -0400 Received: from isl.hrl.hac.com ([192.27.172.1]) by hac2arpa.hac.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05266; Wed, 12 Jun 96 13:38:55 PDT Received: from localhost by isl.hrl.hac.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA07853; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:38:53 -0700 Message-Id: <9606122038.AA07853@isl.hrl.hac.com> To: Robert Shemo Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Installing RedHat 3.0.3 on 760 In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 10 Jun 1996 13:00:38 EDT." Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:38:53 -0700 From: ygz@isl.hrl.hac.com (Yongguang Zhang) > I am planning to install RedHat Linux 3.0.3 on my TP760CD from a > CD. Before I go and buy the CD, has anybody had any luck with this on > their 760CD. Is it as easy to install on the 760 as on a desktop or am > I asking for trouble by trying to install from the CD. 760 CD-ROM doesn't work (lots of error) under linux 1.2.13. What you can do (and what I did) is to boot up the linux 1.3.57 instead. Boot into DOS mode instead of Windows 95. 1. shrink the hard drive partition (run cdrom: \dosutils\fips.exe) 2. run cdrom: \redhat, answer all the questions but quit at the last step (don't let redhat boot up linux). 3. This \redhat program writes a file at "C:\RH303.PAR". Edit that file and change the two "1213" into "1357". It should look like this: e:\images\1357\bare\kern0000.img root=1600 ramdisk=256,no KERNELNUM=0000 KERNELPATH=/images/1357/bare/ Actually you can skip the step 2 and create such a file yourself. (e: is the CDROM drive under DOS) 4. Now run redhat (again) and let redhat use the RH303.PAR already in C:\ to boot linux. 5. The rest is the same as normal redhat linux installation. Note that RedHat installation will install and run the 1.2.13 version of PCMCIA cardmgr, which won't work under 1.3.57. You have to recompile the PCMCIA modules for 1.3.57. Or, if you don't care about the CD-ROM support any more, you can copy the 1.2.13 linux image from the 2nd CD and use that instead. --ygz From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 12 18:02:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28067; Wed, 12 Jun 96 18:02:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA08892; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 18:01:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:53:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07239; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:52:57 -0400 Received: from mhv.net (root@csbh.mhv.net [199.0.0.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07229; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 17:52:54 -0400 Received: from taifun (monroe-42.dialup.frontiercomm.net) by mhv.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA28521; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:52:25 -0400 Sender: yce@mhv.net Message-Id: <31BF2E53.581C172D@mhv.net> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 1996 16:53:39 -0400 From: Yves-Chandler Eynard X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; Linux 1.3.92 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Tait Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: MWave modem under Win95? References: <2.2.32.19960612115646.006bc874@psa.pencom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick Tait wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I've got a Thinkpad 755CX upon which I just installed Win95. > I upgraded the BIOS with the disk that Tech Support recommended, I > have installed the MWave drivers for both DOS and Windows - the > audio facilities of the MWave DSP are working fine (I have > Windows sound and all that jazz), and Win95 *is* seeing the DSP > modem just fine, BUT, whenever I try and use it, the modem just > isn't getting any dialtone, when I know that the line I am using > is fine. > > Is there anything special I need to do to get this 28.8 modem > working properly? > > Any help and hints would be greatly appreciated, Did you install the patch for Mwave? If not, you can grab if from IBM's web site. -- Yves-Chandler Eynard yves@mhv.net OCTET International From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 12 23:13:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12751; Wed, 12 Jun 96 23:13:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27371; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:12:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:09:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26695; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:09:31 -0400 Received: from nova.unix.portal.com (nova.unix.portal.com [156.151.1.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26687; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 23:09:29 -0400 Received: from uucp1.unix.portal.com (uucp1.unix.portal.com [156.151.4.11]) by nova.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with ESMTP id UAA27045; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:07:52 -0700 Received: (uucp@localhost) by uucp1.unix.portal.com (8.6.11/8.6.5) with UUCP id UAA20042; Wed, 12 Jun 1996 20:04:13 -0700 Received: from cc:Mail by espmail.espmail.com id AA834633079 Wed, 12 Jun 96 19:31:19 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 96 19:31:19 From: "Joe.Bormel" Encoding: 1382 Text Message-Id: <9605128346.AA834633079@espmail.espmail.com> To: jgood@mbox.kyoto-inet.or.jp Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: non-CDROM dictionaries John, FYI, I'm using a 2 Meg, American Heritage dictionary on a flashram card on my DOS palmtop. Here is my dictionary: KD EXE 54,681 08-11-94 8:37p KEYDICT NDX 217,826 08-11-94 8:37p KDCONFIG EXE 10,713 08-11-94 8:37p KEYDICT DIC 1,998,986 08-11-94 8:40p KEYDICT CFG 252 08-11-94 8:59p I use it for definitions and occasionally spelling. Mainly as a reference when I'm reading. -Joe >>I'm using the Random House Unabridged [no version number]. Takes >>about 50 meg on the hd (which doesn't include pronunciation >>files). Was a trial and error setup to get the right files copied >>to my TP from the CD. Only complaint is that the hotkey callup >>routine from WordPerfect doesn't load the highlighted word into the >>lookup window. Comes with the hard cover five inch thick tome, and >>the 50 megs of files seems to contain every word. Costs about $70. >> >>At 1:00 10 Jun 96, you wrote: >> >>> My ThinkPad 701C does not have a CDROM, but it does have plenty >>> of disk space. Is there a good English dictionary I can buy >>> (preferably with pronounciations of all the words) which can >>> be installed onto the hard drive (if need be, I have a CDROM >>> on my desktop and can transfer the install from there)? The >>> salespeople at my local computer stores are less than knowledgeable. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 13 08:11:23 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26599; Thu, 13 Jun 96 08:11:23 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19674; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:10:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:05:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18641; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:04:59 -0400 Received: from mailhost.onramp.net (mailhost.onramp.net [199.1.11.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18621; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:04:50 -0400 Received: from rickt.onramp.net (dfw-tx14-07.ix.netcom.com [204.31.249.71]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA29141 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:04:47 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960613110344.006d7cb0@psa.pencom.com> X-Sender: rickt@psa.pencom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:03:44 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rick Tait Subject: Summary: 755CX & Win95 & MWave Modem Thanks to everyone for the replies that I got. As it turned out, the solution (recommended by almost everyone) was to switch the box off, take out the connector, and reseat it. Works like a treat now! One thing though, is it my imagination or does Win95 seem to run slower when I'm using the modem? I guess the DSP is doing its thing in software, right??? /rickt -- rickt@psa.pencom.com "I came to this country to chew bubblegum and to kick your ass" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 13 08:13:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26631; Thu, 13 Jun 96 08:13:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20159; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:13:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:11:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19729; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:11:06 -0400 Received: from mailhost.onramp.net (mailhost.onramp.net [199.1.11.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19717; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:11:04 -0400 Received: from rickt.onramp.net (dfw-tx14-07.ix.netcom.com [204.31.249.71]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA29637 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:11:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960613110956.006a0bc0@psa.pencom.com> X-Sender: rickt@psa.pencom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:09:56 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rick Tait Subject: Gameport on 755CX? Sorry for this sudden rash of questions, but I'm a new 755CX owner... According to the System Control Panel on my 755CX, it says I have a Gameport on my computer. I do!?!? Where is it??? If I look at all the ports on the back, I've got a 9pin serial, a 25pin parallel, an external VGA and a big-ass dock port. So where's the game port? Do I need the dock for that? Speaking of the dock, is it worth getting one? I'm thinking specifically of the one where the computer goes in closed, it has a CDROM drive (is that SCSI?), a keyboard and all the jazz. Does anyone know what specs the dock has? Port-wise etc? Thanks, /rickt -- rickt@psa.pencom.com "I came to this country to chew bubblegum and to kick your ass" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 13 08:39:56 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26991; Thu, 13 Jun 96 08:39:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA24273; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:39:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:37:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23926; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:37:35 -0400 Received: from mailhost.onramp.net (mailhost.onramp.net [199.1.11.3]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA23912; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:37:31 -0400 Received: from rickt.onramp.net (dfw-tx14-07.ix.netcom.com [204.31.249.71]) by mailhost.onramp.net (8.7.3/8.6.5) with SMTP id HAA02759 for ; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 07:37:22 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960613113410.00681b14@psa.pencom.com> X-Sender: rickt@psa.pencom.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 06:34:10 -0500 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rick Tait Subject: Software for speakerphone/Answering machine? Since I bought my 755CX used, does anyone know where I can get the disks for the speakerphone/answering machine software from? I've tried looking at the files index on http://www.pc.ibm.com/, but I haven't been able to find anything that looks like what I need. Any pointers? /rickt -- rickt@psa.pencom.com "I came to this country to chew bubblegum and to kick your ass" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 13 11:11:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00445; Thu, 13 Jun 96 11:11:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02546; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:29:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:26:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01892; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:25:57 -0400 Received: from husc.harvard.edu (root@husc.harvard.edu [140.247.30.45]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01883; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:25:54 -0400 Received: from scws44.HARVARD.EDU by husc.harvard.edu with ESMTP id JAA07503; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: by scws44.HARVARD.EDU with id JAA23128 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:25:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Daniel Kim To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Removal from List Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I'm sorry... I don't know how not to send this without posting to the group. I'll be away for a while, and I would like to be taken off the list to keep my inbox from exploding. Could you confirm receiving this? Thank you. Daniel dpkim@fas.harvard.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 13 11:12:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00742; Thu, 13 Jun 96 11:12:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02581; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:30:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:25:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01696; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:24:59 -0400 Received: from mhv.net (root@csbh.mhv.net [199.0.0.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA01690; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:24:56 -0400 Received: from taifun (monroe-52.dialup.frontiercomm.net) by mhv.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA12664; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:26:30 -0400 Sender: yce@mhv.net Message-Id: <31C0175D.52DCC373@mhv.net> Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:27:57 -0400 From: Yves-Chandler Eynard X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; Linux 1.3.92 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Rick Tait Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Software for speakerphone/Answering machine? References: <2.2.32.19960613113410.00681b14@psa.pencom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rick Tait wrote: > > Since I bought my 755CX used, does anyone know where I can get the > disks for the speakerphone/answering machine software from? > > I've tried looking at the files index on http://www.pc.ibm.com/, but > I haven't been able to find anything that looks like what I need. > > Any pointers? If you have the DSP chip, you need the Mwave package from that site (look around, it's there). Also pick up the faxworks package as well. http://204.146.167.73/support/tps/dskt3.html -or- http://www.pc.ibm.com/files.html and search for faxworks good luck -- Yves-Chandler Eynard yves@mhv.net OCTET International From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 13 12:18:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03911; Thu, 13 Jun 96 12:18:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00577; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:18:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:15:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29901; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:15:20 -0400 Received: from earth.usa.net (root@earth.usa.net [192.156.196.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29875; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 12:15:16 -0400 Received: (from wdunn@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id KAA04314; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:11:59 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:11:58 -0600 (MDT) From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications X-Sender: wdunn@earth To: Tim Tyhurst Cc: ThinkPad Mailing List Subject: Re: LCD Repair In-Reply-To: <199606131514.LAA18999@dogmead.excelsior.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had a 755C that suffered third degree burns as the result of a film shoot--which IBM happily repaired for $700. Did it in a day and now works fine. --wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder, CO On Thu, 13 Jun 1996, Tim Tyhurst wrote: > I have come into possession of a 360CE with a shattered LCD. Does anyone > have any experience with getting damage like this repaired? This would > not be covered under warranty, of course, and IBM's price on the part > exceeds the value of the machine by about a factor of three! > > Right now, I think my best bet is to try and locate another broken 360, 750 > or 755 with a bad system board that the owner does not want to repair. > Does anybody have a source for such an animal? > > Any other ideas welcomed, too. > > -- > Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 13 12:22:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA03945; Thu, 13 Jun 96 12:22:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20192; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:17:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:14:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19637; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:14:50 -0400 Received: from dogmead.excelsior.com ([198.73.240.129]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19626; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:14:46 -0400 Received: (from tim@localhost) by dogmead.excelsior.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) id LAA18999 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:14:29 -0400 From: Tim Tyhurst Message-Id: <199606131514.LAA18999@dogmead.excelsior.com> Subject: LCD Repair To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu (ThinkPad Mailing List) Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:14:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have come into possession of a 360CE with a shattered LCD. Does anyone have any experience with getting damage like this repaired? This would not be covered under warranty, of course, and IBM's price on the part exceeds the value of the machine by about a factor of three! Right now, I think my best bet is to try and locate another broken 360, 750 or 755 with a bad system board that the owner does not want to repair. Does anybody have a source for such an animal? Any other ideas welcomed, too. -- Tim Tyhurst tim@excelsior.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 13 12:23:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04001; Thu, 13 Jun 96 12:23:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA17359; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:01:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:57:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16608; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:57:08 -0400 Received: from is.nyu.edu (root@IS.NYU.EDU [128.122.250.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16600; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:57:05 -0400 Received: from HABER.NR.RES.NYU.EDU by is.nyu.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/23Sep94-1121PM) id AA19314; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:56:52 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960613145647.006829c0@is.nyu.edu> X-Sender: mdk1143@is.nyu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 10:56:47 -0400 To: Rick Tait , THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Klenner Subject: Re: Summary: 755CX & Win95 & MWave Modem At 06:03 AM 6/13/96 -0500, you wrote: >Thanks to everyone for the replies that I got. As it turned out, the >solution (recommended by almost everyone) was to switch the box off, >take out the connector, and reseat it. Works like a treat now! > >One thing though, is it my imagination or does Win95 seem to run >slower when I'm using the modem? I guess the DSP is doing its thing >in software, right??? > >/rickt >-- >rickt@psa.pencom.com >"I came to this country to chew bubblegum and to kick your ass" Rick, It'll run *much* slower if you have system sounds enabled while using the modem, since the DSP has to do both. --- Michael Klenner East: klennerm@is.nyu.edu New York University West: mklenner@pacificnet.net Tisch School of the Arts http://pages.nyu.edu/~mdk1143 Institute of Film & Television talk: michael@24frames.com --- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 13 13:04:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05870; Thu, 13 Jun 96 13:04:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08448; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:04:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:01:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08029; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:01:26 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08005; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:01:19 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id NAA01435; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:02:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:02:14 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Jonathan Berry Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: heat dissipation In-Reply-To: <009A37C9.7399D018.77@bbs.sd68.nanaimo.bc.ca> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 7 Jun 1996, Jonathan Berry wrote: > calculation) on our laptop. In word processing, for example, the > computer must be simply waiting for a keystroke 99.9% of the time > (remember, word processors that ran as fast as you could type were > available on 4.77 MHz 8088s). While it is waiting, the processor's > clock could be slowed down (unless it has a governor on it that > prevents its clock speed from being changed !?) and it would thus > draw less power. Many processors (I believe the 486SL and SL-enhanced, and the Pentiums) already do this. There's an instruction to halt the CPU until something happens. Unfortunately, the idiots at Redmond don't use it. Linux runs cool on my TP701. Some OS/2 users tell me OS/2 runs cool as well. DOS, Win3.1, and Win95 run hot enough to make my lap uncomfortable. -- John H. Kim There are only two industries that call their jokim@mit.edu customers 'users,' and one of them is illegal. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 13 13:13:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06714; Thu, 13 Jun 96 13:13:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09838; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:12:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:10:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09377; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:10:31 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09363; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:10:28 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id NAA01448; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:11:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:11:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Elvin Tan Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: MultiPort II or other ports for the Thinkpad 701 In-Reply-To: <31bb5965.dupre@dupre.lugs.org.sg> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 9 Jun 1996, Elvin Tan wrote: > method. One big problem is that if the multiport was bent off the > thinkpad or if I'm holding on the thinkpad and the cable attached to > the multiport is tugged, the hook breaks off and I get a loose > multiport. > Anyone got any remedies ? (Besides super gluing back the hook, I did > that 4 times already!!!) Super glue is very brittle. It's great for holding together parts that don't flex (ceramics, metals), but terrible for plastic. Drop by the hardware store and get some epoxy. It's messier to use because it comes in two parts you need to mix, but the result is a new piece of plastic which has some flex to it. There are a lot of different types out there, some stronger than others. You'll need some wood sticks and cardboard or a disposable plastic cup as well. -- John H. Kim There are only two industries that call their jokim@mit.edu customers 'users,' and one of them is illegal. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 13 13:16:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06871; Thu, 13 Jun 96 13:16:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10455; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:16:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:14:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA10012; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:14:03 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA09991; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:13:57 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id NAA01455; Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:14:20 -0400 Date: Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:14:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: jesse montrose Cc: Jeffrey Hsu , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: non-CDROM dictionaries In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960610160839.0076a140@mailhost.hooked.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Jun 1996, jesse montrose wrote: > I use: > > Random House Webster's > Electronic Dictionary and Thesaurus, College Edition > Version 1.0 > > Takes about 8 meg on the hard disk, does *not* use a CDROM. > I've been using it happily for a few years now, and would recommend it. I use this as well and would recommend it except for the search functions. An AND search should *not* take as long as an OR search. Hopefully they've fixed this in later versions. -- John H. Kim There are only two industries that call their jokim@mit.edu customers 'users,' and one of them is illegal. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 14 10:49:16 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08089; Fri, 14 Jun 96 10:49:16 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27835; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:48:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:37:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25613; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:37:04 -0400 Received: from ankur.bellcore.com (ankur.bellcore.com [192.4.7.37]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA25586; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:36:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ankur.bellcore.com (8.6.9/8.6.10) with SMTP id KAA04833; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:35:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199606141435.KAA04833@ankur.bellcore.com> X-Authentication-Warning: ankur.bellcore.com: Host localhost didn't use HELO protocol X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.5 12/11/95 To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: brianm@boi.hp.com, ilh@lcs.mit.edu, hira@flash.bellcore.com Subject: Re: ps/2 mouse under Linux on 760CD In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 06 Jun 1996 16:53:52 EDT." <199606062053.QAA04882@ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:35:34 -0400 From: Hiralal Agrawal Thanks to every one who suggested possible causes and solutions to the "mouse busy" problem when a second disk is present in the Ultra bay of my TP 760CD. The problem, indeed, is that my ethernet pcmcia card is grabbing irq 12 whenever a second disk is present in the ultrabay which grabs irq 15. When there is no disk in the ultra bay, the pcmcia card grabs irq 15, leaving irq 12 for the mouse. As for the solution, putting "exclude irq 12" in pcmcia/config.opts does not work for me (I have pcmcia-cs-2.8.9 and linux-1.2.13 on my system). Changing the pcmcia code and recompiling it, however, as suggested by Brian Mahaffy, did the trick. Thanks again. -- Hira. > Brian Mahaffy writes: > | You need to go into the PCMCIA sources and change the interupt scan routines > | to search 15->13,11->0,12 instead of 15->0. It is in modules/i82365.c > | around line 400. > | > | If you aren't using PCMCIA, its probably something similar with some other > | autoconfiged interupt using 12, /proc/interrupts will tell you. You will > | have to chase it down. > > Nah. With the version of PCMCIA services that I have, you can just put > > exclude irq 12 > > in your /etc/pcmcia/config.opts file. That should make PCMCIA avoid 12, > leaving it free for the mouse. > Lee Hetherington From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 14 12:20:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14413; Fri, 14 Jun 96 12:20:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA07004; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:20:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:17:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06636; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:17:30 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (ts700-702.singnet.com.sg [165.21.110.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06629; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 12:17:09 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (uucp@localhost) by lugs.org.sg (8.7.1/8.7.3) with UUCP id XAA21582 for cs.utk.edu!thinkpad; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:24:07 +0800 Received: from dupre by lugs.org.sg with uucp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0uUaln-00028zC; Fri, 14 Jun 96 23:26 SST Received: by dupre.lugs.org.sg (UUPC/extended 1.12r); Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:56:07 -0800 Message-Id: <31c22647.dupre@dupre.lugs.org.sg> From: Elvin Tan To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:56:07 GMT+8 Subject: Leaking battery ? Reply-To: elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Hi ! I've a 701C and two batteries. One NiMh and a NiCad. One big problem is that sometimes both batteries are fully charged, and when I switch battery, the other one (the newly inserted one) gets DRAINED ! Eg.1 One NiCad battery in the system, I wanted to use the NiMh one, so I switched, I jsut charged both batteries 3 hours ago. Ended up, the battery meter showed 20% only for the NiMh Eg.2 This time the NiMh is in the system, after switching in a new NiCad battery, the system beeped, showed 0% and switched back to suspend! Is it me or is my system fussy about battery changes ? I suspended the system, even switched it off, but to no avail, no matter what, 60% of the time of battery swapping, energy gets drained ! (I mean it, DRAINED, charging time is the same!) Is it becoz of the fact I have two types of batteries ? BTW, is the LiIon batteries that can be used with 701C out ? (Or will they ever be ?) Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 14 17:10:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26518; Fri, 14 Jun 96 17:10:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04307; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:09:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:06:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04065; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:06:20 -0400 Received: from mail2.pilot.net (mail2.pilot.net [198.232.147.11]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA04054; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 17:06:10 -0400 From: Received: from ima.jud.ca.gov (unknown-8-248.jud.state.ca.us [206.81.8.248]) by mail2.pilot.net with SMTP id OAA05744 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ccMail by ima.jud.ca.gov (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 1c1d4860; Fri, 14 Jun 96 14:07:18 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 14:06:45 -0700 Message-Id: <1c1d4860@ima.jud.ca.gov> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part subscribe thinkpad-l "Mitchell Yee" From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 14 19:51:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02386; Fri, 14 Jun 96 19:51:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15570; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:50:43 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:47:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15329; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:47:45 -0400 Received: from mtshasta.snowcrest.net (mtshasta.snowcrest.net [206.245.192.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15323; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:47:43 -0400 Received: from beesong (ppp7.yreka.snowcrest.net [206.245.194.39]) by mtshasta.snowcrest.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA25311 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:47:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:47:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199606142347.QAA25311@mtshasta.snowcrest.net> X-Sender: beesong@snowcrest.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Kate Bauer Subject: MWAVE vs. ISP My modem has recently starting hanging when I am unexpectedly disconnected from my ISP. Then when I try to log in again, dial-up networking (Win 95) reports that I cannot log on to more than one port at a time. To clear, I have to phone my ISP and have them kick the stuck connection off. Even shutting down my Thinkpad 755CD completely and re-booting doesn't clear it. They tell me that it is happening on a variety of their modems instead of just one, so they don't have a defective modem at their end. I have used the MWAVE with this particular ISP for almost a year, and it only recently started doing this. Anyone know how to keep this from happening? Thanks, Kate From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 14 21:49:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05542; Fri, 14 Jun 96 21:49:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23523; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:48:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:45:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23255; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:45:01 -0400 Received: from unix.asb.com (root@unix.asb.com [165.254.128.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23238; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:44:49 -0400 Received: from sls15.asb.com (sls15.asb.com [165.254.128.25]) by unix.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA05259; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:48:40 -0400 From: christij@unix.asb.com (Joseph Christie) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Subject: Re: Leaking battery ? Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:44:38 GMT Organization: Just me and I'm not organized Message-Id: <31c214a6.15676309@unix.asb.com> References: <31c22647.dupre@dupre.lugs.org.sg> In-Reply-To: <31c22647.dupre@dupre.lugs.org.sg> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On Fri, 14 Jun 1996 18:56:07 GMT+8, you wrote: >Hi ! > > I've a 701C and two batteries. One NiMh and a NiCad. > One big problem is that sometimes both batteries are fully charged, and > when I switch battery, the other one (the newly inserted one) gets > DRAINED ! > > Eg.1 > One NiCad battery in the system, I wanted to use the NiMh one, so I > switched, I jsut charged both batteries 3 hours ago. Ended up, the > battery meter showed 20% only for the NiMh > > Eg.2 > This time the NiMh is in the system, after switching in a new NiCad > battery, the system beeped, showed 0% and switched back to suspend! > > Is it me or is my system fussy about battery changes ? I suspended the > system, even switched it off, but to no avail, no matter what, 60% of > the time of battery swapping, energy gets drained ! (I mean it, > DRAINED, charging time is the same!) > Is it becoz of the fact I have two types of batteries ? > BTW, is the LiIon batteries that can be used with 701C out ? (Or will > they ever be ?) > >Elvin >-- > >+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ >| elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | >| Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | >+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ > I have similar problems. I have 2 NiMh batteries and sometimes when I change them they work well but I end up with one ()% discharged and one about 50%. No matter what order I recharge them in or whether I turn off between swaps when charging - about half the time the second one charges in 15 minutes and when I try to use it it goes from 100% to about 50% normally then drops to 0% in an instant. Doesn't happen every time just about half the time. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 423B78C80FEA5495 CF64AD5F214797DE http://www.asb.com/usr/christij 95E3789C5679C4D7 03210B57E76FE66 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole. - Malcolm X From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 14 21:52:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05551; Fri, 14 Jun 96 21:52:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23995; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:51:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:50:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23795; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:50:07 -0400 Received: from unix.asb.com (root@unix.asb.com [165.254.128.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA23783; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:50:04 -0400 Received: from sls15.asb.com (sls15.asb.com [165.254.128.25]) by unix.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA05329; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 21:54:00 -0400 From: christij@unix.asb.com (Joseph Christie) To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Kate Bauer Subject: Re: MWAVE vs. ISP Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 01:49:57 GMT Organization: Just me and I'm not organized Message-Id: <31c2160b.16033046@unix.asb.com> References: <199606142347.QAA25311@mtshasta.snowcrest.net> In-Reply-To: <199606142347.QAA25311@mtshasta.snowcrest.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:47:44 -0700, you wrote: >My modem has recently starting hanging when I am unexpectedly disconnected >from my ISP. Then when I try to log in again, dial-up networking (Win 95) >reports that I cannot log on to more than one port at a time. To clear, I >have to phone my ISP and have them kick the stuck connection off. Even >shutting down my Thinkpad 755CD completely and re-booting doesn't clear it. >They tell me that it is happening on a variety of their modems instead of >just one, so they don't have a defective modem at their end. I have used the >MWAVE with this particular ISP for almost a year, and it only recently >started doing this. Anyone know how to keep this from happening? > >Thanks, >Kate > > When you are disconnected their system should realize this and drop the session on their end. It has nothing to do with your modem. If you turn off the power on your machine the connection is broken. If their system can't tell that the carrier is dropped - they need to fix it on their end. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 423B78C80FEA5495 CF64AD5F214797DE http://www.asb.com/usr/christij 95E3789C5679C4D7 03210B57E76FE66 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such I am for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole. - Malcolm X From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 14 22:31:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06224; Fri, 14 Jun 96 22:31:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26906; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:29:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:26:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26496; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:26:22 -0400 Received: from mtshasta.snowcrest.net (mtshasta.snowcrest.net [206.245.192.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA26490; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:26:19 -0400 Received: from beesong (ppp2.yreka.snowcrest.net [206.245.194.34]) by mtshasta.snowcrest.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id TAA00443 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:26:19 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:26:19 -0700 Message-Id: <199606150226.TAA00443@mtshasta.snowcrest.net> X-Sender: beesong@snowcrest.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Kate Bauer Subject: re: MWAVE vs. ISP I've tried turning off the Thinkpad and re-booting and still receive the error message from my ISP that thinks I'm trying to log on to 2 ports at a time. I can only get back on if I telephone my ISP and have them kick me off their stuck modem. I found out this was happening because I was away for a couple of days and came back to hear from my ISP that my account had been logged on (stuck, actually) for 26 hours. I assured them that with a single phone line, you can bet I wouldn't be online for 26 hours straight. I agree with Joseph that it's their problem, not mine, but have been unable to convince them of that. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 14 23:21:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07049; Fri, 14 Jun 96 23:21:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00610; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:20:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:17:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00331; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:17:39 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA00325; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 23:17:37 -0400 Received: from dialin_6_3.enteract.com (dialin_6_3.enteract.com [206.54.253.50]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id WAA22311 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 22:17:33 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Leaking battery ? Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 03:22:23 GMT Message-Id: <31c22be7.517613@smtp.enteract.com> References: <31c22647.dupre@dupre.lugs.org.sg> <31c214a6.15676309@unix.asb.com> In-Reply-To: <31c214a6.15676309@unix.asb.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 This happens to me as well, as a matter of fact I sent my system back to IBM because of it. They said there's nothing wrog with my laptop, I believe this is just a problem with the BIOS recognizing a new battery consistently. My best results have been with using hibernate when swapping. epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 15 00:20:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08163; Sat, 15 Jun 96 00:20:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04538; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:19:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:17:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04307; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:17:17 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (ts700-702.singnet.com.sg [165.21.110.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04301; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 00:17:07 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (uucp@localhost) by lugs.org.sg (8.7.1/8.7.3) with UUCP id LAA24222 for cs.utk.edu!thinkpad; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:35:18 +0800 Received: from dupre by lugs.org.sg with uucp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0uUlvH-00029LC; Sat, 15 Jun 96 11:21 SST Received: by dupre.lugs.org.sg (UUPC/extended 1.12r); Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:41:40 -0800 Message-Id: <31c1b264.dupre@dupre.lugs.org.sg> From: Elvin Tan To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 10:41:40 GMT+8 Subject: Re: Leaking battery ? Reply-To: elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 > > Is it me or is my system fussy about battery changes ? I suspended the > > system, even switched it off, but to no avail, no matter what, 60% of > > the time of battery swapping, energy gets drained ! (I mean it, > > DRAINED, charging time is the same!) > > Is it becoz of the fact I have two types of batteries ? > > BTW, is the LiIon batteries that can be used with 701C out ? (Or will > > they ever be ?) > I have similar problems. I have 2 NiMh batteries and sometimes when I > change them they work well but I end up with one ()% discharged and one > about 50%. No matter what order I recharge them in or whether I turn off > between swaps when charging - about half the time the second one charges in > 15 minutes and when I try to use it it goes from 100% to about 50% normally > then drops to 0% in an instant. Doesn't happen every time just about half > the time. Is it becoz of contact problem or not ? Which system U using ? Anyone else with notebook has this problem ? Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 15 11:56:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20503; Sat, 15 Jun 96 11:56:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA19537; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:55:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:43:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18715; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:43:16 -0400 Received: from dns1.noc.best.net (root@dns1.noc.best.net [206.86.8.69]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA18709; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 11:43:14 -0400 Received: from shellx.best.com (shellx.best.com [206.86.0.11]) by dns1.noc.best.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with ESMTP id IAA18206; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 08:43:12 -0700 Received: (diamond@localhost) by shellx.best.com (8.6.12/8.6.5) id IAA03512; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 08:43:04 -0700 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 08:43:04 -0700 From: diamond Message-Id: <199606151543.IAA03512@shellx.best.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP701C Forgets Hard Disk on Warm Boot I'm having two odd problems with a TP701C (BIOS 3O; diag 1G). First, on all CtrlAltDel warm boots, the machine seems to forget it has a hard disk and gives a "162 Configuration Error." The error screen allows me to type enter (configuration utility) or esc (continue booting). Enter brings up the configuration utility screen. When I page forward, the hard disk is erroneously shown as "not installed." Or, instead of enter, if I type esc (to continue booting) from the error, I get a "insert floppy disk screen." If I then do another CtrlAltDel, the system boots up and works fine -- as long as I don't do a CtrlAltDel. Any ideas what to do? THe other problem is equally strange: Fn+F1 will not bring up the configuration utility. However, Fn plus any other function key works properly, and F1 works properly for any other uses. Any help would be appreciated. Regards, Steve Diamond From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 15 13:50:56 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21822; Sat, 15 Jun 96 13:50:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25493; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 13:50:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 15 Jun 1996 13:47:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25195; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 13:47:42 -0400 Received: from mhub2.tc.umn.edu (0@mhub2.tc.umn.edu [128.101.131.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA25189; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 13:47:40 -0400 Received: from maroon.tc.umn.edu by mhub2.tc.umn.edu; Sat, 15 Jun 96 12:47:31 -0500 Received: by maroon.tc.umn.edu; Sat, 15 Jun 96 12:47:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 12:47:30 -0500 (CDT) From: Christian N Michalek To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Original files for 701c In-Reply-To: <199606151543.IAA03512@shellx.best.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I recently bought a 701c at a computer outlet store. It was sold as is with floppy drive, battery, ac adapter. However the harddisk had been erased. So I loaded win95 with the disks that came with my desktop machine. The thinkpad is running well except I don't have the original files the computer probably came with. What am I missing, where can I get them and the manuals for the 701? Will IBM sell this direct? Do I even need them? I think I got a really good deal at 1249.99 16meg ram 720 hard drive 75 mhz Thanks From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 15 17:05:02 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA02772; Sat, 15 Jun 96 17:05:02 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07926; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 17:04:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 15 Jun 1996 17:01:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07623; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 17:01:37 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (root@chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07617; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 17:01:34 -0400 Received: from [128.125.224.75] (comserv-i-03.usc.edu [128.125.224.75]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with SMTP id NAA01440; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 13:58:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Sender: whittle@scf.usc.edu Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 13:59:03 -0700 To: elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: whittle@usc.edu (Randy Whittle) Subject: Re: Leaking battery ? At 11:56 AM 6/14/96, Elvin Tan wrote: > I've a 701C and two batteries. One NiMh and a NiCad. > One big problem is that sometimes both batteries are fully charged, and > when I switch battery, the other one (the newly inserted one) gets > DRAINED ! > > Eg.1 > One NiCad battery in the system, I wanted to use the NiMh one, so I > switched, I jsut charged both batteries 3 hours ago. Ended up, the > battery meter showed 20% only for the NiMh > > Eg.2 > This time the NiMh is in the system, after switching in a new NiCad > battery, the system beeped, showed 0% and switched back to suspend! > > Is it me or is my system fussy about battery changes ? I suspended the Elvin, I don't have two different battery types (all three of mine are NiMH) but I too have had the occasional problem where the system either (a) thinks the new battery I put in is not charged (when I know it is) or (b) thinks the new battery I put in is fully charged (when I know it needs to *get* charged). So far, I don't know that anyone has posted the magic solution to this problem--sometimes it just "happens". - Randy From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 15 17:31:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05379; Sat, 15 Jun 96 17:31:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09835; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 17:31:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 15 Jun 1996 17:29:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09538; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 17:29:42 -0400 Received: from gemini.adnc.com (gemini.adnc.com [205.216.138.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09532; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 17:29:39 -0400 Received: from adnline234147.adnc.com by gemini.adnc.com (SMI-8.6/SVR4 Mailer ADN 1/96) id OAA16917; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 14:30:16 -0700 Received: by adnline234147.adnc.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB5AC6.FF51DC80@adnline234147.adnc.com>; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 14:29:01 -0700 Message-Id: <01BB5AC6.FF51DC80@adnline234147.adnc.com> From: Joshua Gerber To: "'TP'" Subject: 760E Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1996 14:28:56 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable After 2 1/2 years of banging on my trusty 755Cs, I've received my new = 760E (24/810). Wow! An incredible machine with an even more remarkable = display. After reading some of the discussion on the heat these things produce, I = thought I was prepared for the worst...but I'm a bit surprised. The = bottom of this machine gets so hot after 15 minutes, that I can't set it = on my lap at all. Oh well, I guess it's worth it. My question: A few hours with the machine, and I"ve already discovered = two stuck pixels on the screen--one red, one blue. Should I simply = accept this, or should I get it easy served? (I'm thinking I might just = wait until something else goes wrong with it. Anyone else have this = happen right out of the box? ~j From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 15 18:47:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09214; Sat, 15 Jun 96 18:47:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14287; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:47:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:44:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14023; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:44:48 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA14017; Sat, 15 Jun 1996 18:44:44 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA22370; Sat, 15 Jun 96 18:42:14 EDT Date: Sat, 15 Jun 96 18:42:14 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606152242.AA22370@nile.gnat.com> To: jgerber@adnc.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760E "My question: A few hours with the machine, and I"ve already discovered = two stuck pixels on the screen--one red, one blue. Should I simply = accept this, or should I get it easy served? (I'm thinking I might just = wait until something else goes wrong with it. Anyone else have this = happen right out of the box? " Unless IBM has made big changes, 2 wrong pixels does not qualify for servicing at all. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 16 01:40:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16266; Sun, 16 Jun 96 01:40:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA07130; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 01:40:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 16 Jun 1996 01:35:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06750; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 01:35:40 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA06737; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 01:35:35 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id BAA05328; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 01:36:34 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 01:36:34 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Joshua Gerber Cc: "'TP'" Subject: Re: 760E In-Reply-To: <01BB5AC6.FF51DC80@adnline234147.adnc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 15 Jun 1996, Joshua Gerber wrote: > My question: A few hours with the machine, and I"ve already discovered > two stuck pixels on the screen--one red, one blue. Should I simply > accept this, or should I get it easy served? (I'm thinking I might just > wait until something else goes wrong with it. Anyone else have this > happen right out of the box? 1) Two stuck pixels doesn't officially qualify for replacement, but who knows, they might let you send it in. You might end up with a worse display though. 2) As a general rule, don't wait until something else goes wrong. I got screwed over for about $300 in repairs because I waited. It should've been covered under warranty, but because I didn't report it and something else happened that wasn't covered under warranty, IBM wouldn't cover any of it. They said having a report of it in their database is proof enough for them. -- John H. Kim There are only two industries that call their jokim@mit.edu customers 'users,' and one of them is illegal. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 16 02:09:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17049; Sun, 16 Jun 96 02:09:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA08169; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 02:09:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 16 Jun 1996 02:06:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07992; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 02:06:04 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (root@[203.127.221.102]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA07976; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 02:05:50 -0400 Received: from dupre by lugs.org.sg with uucp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0uVB4C-00029mC; Sun, 16 Jun 96 14:12 SST Received: by dupre.lugs.org.sg (UUPC/extended 1.12r); Sun, 16 Jun 1996 14:01:04 -0800 Message-Id: <31c48420.dupre@dupre.lugs.org.sg> From: Elvin Tan To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 14:01:04 GMT+8 Subject: Extra lit pixels... Reply-To: elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 > "My question: A few hours with the machine, and I"ve already discovered = > two stuck pixels on the screen--one red, one blue. Should I simply = > accept this, or should I get it easy served? (I'm thinking I might just = > wait until something else goes wrong with it. Anyone else have this = > happen right out of the box? > " > Unless IBM has made big changes, 2 wrong pixels does not qualify for > servicing at all. One interesting observation, IBM machines seems to have wrong pixels (or should I call them shorted pixels) more than dead pixels. Wat's with this occurence ? After 3 months with my 701, I've just got one read pixel lit up below... wat's ibm qualify rates ? Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 16 03:59:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29551; Sun, 16 Jun 96 03:59:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA16399; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 03:58:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 16 Jun 1996 03:55:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15911; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 03:55:21 -0400 Received: from ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp (firewall-user@ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp [202.32.89.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA15893; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 03:55:17 -0400 Received: by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp; id QAA23432; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 16:55:00 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.254.20) by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp via smap (g3.0.3) id xma023425; Sun, 16 Jun 96 16:54:38 +0900 Received: by ig.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-ocgwin) id QAA25523; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 16:55:43 +0900 Received: by hamlet.wg.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-hamlet) id QAA23359; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 16:54:38 +0900 Received: by othello.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb/2.8Wb-othello) id QAA03049; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 16:54:35 +0900 From: Jeffrey Friedl Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 16:54:29 +0900 Message-Id: <199606160754.QAA00203@tubby.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <31c48420.dupre@dupre.lugs.org.sg> (message from Elvin Tan on Sun, 16 Jun 1996 14:01:04 GMT+8) Subject: Re: Extra lit pixels... Reply-To: jfriedl@omron.co.jp Elvin Tan wrote: |> After 3 months with my 701, I've just got one read pixel lit up |> below... wat's ibm qualify rates ? Not sure if I'm answering the question you're asking (since I'm not sure what question you're asking :-), but last I checked, 24 pixels was the magic number. 23 bad/broken pixels == no problem as far as they're concerned. 24 pixles and suddenly it's covered. I had this bright whiteish pixel smack in the middle of the screen, and it was a real distraction. The guy at IBM tried to use the logic "but there are 480,000 pixels... you can't expect them all to be perfect". Ooooh, yes I can! It's like saying "the price is 800,000 cents -- you can't expect me to pay them all!". Sheeze. Anyway, my solution to getting it fixed was to drop it down a flight of steps and pay $2,000 for repairs. In the process, my bright distracting pixel was moved to the edge of the screen, and made a more subtle light blue. Much less distracting. Jeffrey From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 16 09:50:35 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08671; Sun, 16 Jun 96 09:50:35 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11491; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 09:50:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 16 Jun 1996 09:45:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11018; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 09:45:15 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA10969; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 09:44:45 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA11077; Sun, 16 Jun 96 09:42:16 EDT Date: Sun, 16 Jun 96 09:42:16 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606161342.AA11077@nile.gnat.com> To: elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Extra lit pixels... " One interesting observation, IBM machines seems to have wrong pixels (or should I call them shorted pixels) more than dead pixels. Wat's with this occurence ? After 3 months with my 701, I've just got one read pixel lit up below... wat's ibm qualify rates ? " What you call a "wrong" pixel is one that is stuck on. In general pixels can be stuck on or stuck off. If you see a red pixel in a black background, then you have a red pixel stuck on. If you see a yellow pixel on a white backround, then you have a red pixel stuck off. You said you had one "read" pixel, which I guess to be a typo for red, so that is probably stuck on. A red pixel on a white background would mean the blue and green both stuck off at the same place, very unlikely. I have owned many thinkpads of several models, and never had a bad pixel. My 760CD for a while had a blue pixel stuck on, but it went away on its own. I am switching to a Tecra 720CDT now, so it will be interesting to see whether those machines have equally perfect screens or not. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 16 09:53:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08682; Sun, 16 Jun 96 09:53:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11916; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 09:52:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 16 Jun 1996 09:51:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11625; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 09:51:02 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA11619; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 09:51:00 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA12493; Sun, 16 Jun 96 09:48:39 EDT Date: Sun, 16 Jun 96 09:48:39 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606161348.AA12493@nile.gnat.com> To: jfriedl@omron.co.jp, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Extra lit pixels... the best thing if you can is to buy the machine under circumstances which allow a refund or money back exchange within 30 days or whatever. The fact of the matter is that even one bad pixel can be a darn nuisance, and 23 bad pixels on a screen would render the machine completely unusable (actually the criteria are more complex, they also depend on whether the pixels are stuck on or off, and where they are in the screen. Obviously a block of broken pixels that were contiguous which blotted out a letter would be intolerable. I had a friend who wasted a lot of time on a power book, because a critical comma looked like a period (the difference in the font he was using was a single pixel, which happened to be broken). The whole idea of selling defective components and refusing to fix them is a bit odd. Suppose we had to buy RAM and the salesman said, "look we sold you 8 million bits, so you can't expect them all to be perfect". The fact of the matter is that these days, the gret majority of TFT screens *are* perfect, so there is no excuse for selling bad ones. If I had a bad one, I would return it to whom I bought it from as defective. I would like to see a court agree with the proposition that it is OK to sell defective merchandise just because the manufacturer has declared the defect to be acceptable. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 16 14:01:59 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14820; Sun, 16 Jun 96 14:01:59 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28222; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 14:01:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 16 Jun 1996 13:50:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27299; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 13:50:14 -0400 Received: from onyx.interactive.net (root@onyx.interactive.net [204.97.113.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA27244; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 13:49:59 -0400 Received: from columbus (daver@onyx.interactive.net [204.97.113.2]) by onyx.interactive.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id NAA03055; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 13:51:52 -0400 Received: by columbus with Microsoft Mail id <01BB5B8A.6B87D8A0@columbus>; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 13:47:55 -0400 Message-Id: <01BB5B8A.6B87D8A0@columbus> From: "David W. Young" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" , "'Christian N Michalek'" Subject: RE: Original files for 701c Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 13:47:06 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Saturday, June 15, 1996 8:47 AM, Christian N Michalek wrote: >16meg ram >720 hard drive >75 mhz You did! Where did you find this gem of a deal? Also, someone on this list had a 720c battery for sale.. I'm looking for you =) Dave David W. Young Media Connection of New York Internet: dwy@mcny.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 16 19:31:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25174; Sun, 16 Jun 96 19:31:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18817; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 19:31:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 16 Jun 1996 19:28:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18506; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 19:28:04 -0400 Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA18500; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 19:27:54 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ad28440; 17 Jun 96 0:19 +0100 Received: from c4rv.demon.co.uk ([158.152.168.2]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa20676; 16 Jun 96 23:14 +0100 Message-Id: <1lznjFAVRDxxEwhE@c4rv.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 17:20:37 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rajesh Varia Subject: Re: Leaking battery ? In-Reply-To: <31c22647.dupre@dupre.lugs.org.sg> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <31c22647.dupre@dupre.lugs.org.sg>, Elvin Tan writes >Hi ! > > I've a 701C and two batteries. One NiMh and a NiCad. > One big problem is that sometimes both batteries are fully charged, and > when I switch battery, the other one (the newly inserted one) gets > DRAINED ! > Its not just the 701 that suffers battery problems. We support about all types of ThinkPad from 300 series onwards. We have had many reports from users about dud batteries. Even swapping with known good batteries does not seem to solve the problem with many of these ThinkPads. The answer seems to be to return the ThinkPad to IBM if it is still under warranty. On many an occasion, IBM have denied there being a problem, yet it magically seems to be fixed when the system is return. From experience the problems seem to be 50/50 between battery and ThinkPad problems. -- Rajesh Varia raj@c4rv.demon.co.uk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 16 21:53:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11502; Sun, 16 Jun 96 21:53:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28144; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 21:53:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 16 Jun 1996 21:49:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27823; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 21:49:49 -0400 Received: from sockeye.cs.washington.edu ([128.95.2.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27816; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 21:49:45 -0400 Received: (hanks@localhost) by sockeye.cs.washington.edu (8.7.5/7.2ws+) id SAA11396; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 18:49:03 -0700 Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 18:49:03 -0700 From: hanks@cs.washington.edu (Steve Hanks) Message-Id: <199606170149.SAA11396@sockeye.cs.washington.edu> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Sources for parts/accessories Any good net/phone/mail sources for Thinkpad accessories and/or parts? I have a 755CDV and am currently scoping out where to buy batteries, a dock, and a replacement foot. Thanks, Steve. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 16 22:40:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13149; Sun, 16 Jun 96 22:40:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01894; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:39:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:35:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01595; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:35:47 -0400 Received: from unix.asb.com (root@unix.asb.com [165.254.128.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA01576; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:35:44 -0400 Received: from sls11.asb.com (sls11.asb.com [165.254.128.21]) by unix.asb.com (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA16824 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 22:40:32 -0400 From: christij@unix.asb.com (Joseph Christie) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: caddies/adapters for TP701 drive in a desktop? Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 02:35:29 GMT Organization: Just me and I'm not organized Message-Id: <31c4c3ed.2349197@unix.asb.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 A while back there was some discussion about adapters to hook up the TP drive to a desktop. Was there ever a source (or even a confirmed sighting) of such a beast reported? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ 423B78C80FEA5495 CF64AD5F214797DE http://www.asb.com/usr/christij 95E3789C5679C4D7 03210B57E76FE66 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Strategy without tactics is the slowest route to victory. Tactics without strategy is the noise before defeat. Sun Tzu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 00:18:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16951; Mon, 17 Jun 96 00:18:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09406; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 00:18:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 00:15:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09152; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 00:15:52 -0400 Received: from rho.ben2.ucla.edu (rho.ben2.ucla.edu [164.67.131.31]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA09137; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 00:15:47 -0400 Received: from dpark (max4-so-ca-43.earthlink.net [206.149.202.194]) by rho.ben2.ucla.edu (8.6.11/8.6.11) with SMTP id VAA64544 for ; Sun, 16 Jun 1996 21:10:18 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960617040934.0068c7f8@pop.ben2.ucla.edu> X-Sender: dpark@pop.ben2.ucla.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 16 Jun 1996 21:09:34 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Dennis Park Subject: Cheap CD Rom Drives for Thinkpads If anyone out there needs a CD rom drive for their Thinkpads or any other notebook computer with PCMCIA slots, then you might want to consider the Panasonic KXL-720 2x portable CD-Rom drive that USA Flex is selling for only $149. At this price, the unit is refurbished, but it does still include a two year factory warranty. The unit comes with software for Dos, Win 3.x, and Win 95. Dennis From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 09:48:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10831; Mon, 17 Jun 96 09:48:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06489; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:48:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:46:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06341; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:46:27 -0400 Received: from www.cep.yale.edu (www.cep.yale.edu [130.132.125.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06335; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:46:24 -0400 Received: (from adept@localhost) by www.cep.yale.edu (8.6.12/8.6.9) id JAA28890; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:47:10 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:47:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP701 PCMCIA Cover Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Don't ever lose it--IBM wants 17 bucks to replace it: 10 bucks for the little piece of plastic and 7 bucks for the big part of the bezel. Argh! Ben. Just wanted to inform the rest of you so you don' go into cardiac arrest like I did. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 10:44:19 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13606; Mon, 17 Jun 96 10:44:19 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA17383; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:43:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:39:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16469; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:39:50 -0400 Received: from pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us [206.210.65.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA16448; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 10:39:46 -0400 Received: by pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0uVfSX-00011FC; Mon, 17 Jun 96 10:39 EDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 10:39 EDT From: jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones) To: micha018@maroon.tc.umn.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Original files for 701c The "Butterfly" came loaded: It was set up for dual-boot, either OS/2 or DOS/Win 3.11. On the OS/2 side there was the Bonus Pak which contained various programs including FaxWorks, the Internet Access Kit (IAK), IBM Works, etc. For Windows too, there was a lot of additional software. There is a hardcopy manual which you can probably get from IBM; it was also present online (for both OS/2 and Win). My 540 MB HDD had only about 190 MB of free space available when it arrived! Oh well, for $1300 you can't complain too much. David Jones From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 11:09:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14784; Mon, 17 Jun 96 11:09:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA21339; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:08:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:06:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20892; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:06:20 -0400 Received: from ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp (firewall-user@ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp [202.32.89.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20886; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 11:06:16 -0400 Received: by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp; id AAA28356; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:06:06 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.254.20) by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp via smap (g3.0.3) id xma028349; Tue, 18 Jun 96 00:05:58 +0900 Received: by ig.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-ocgwin) id AAA26572; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:07:02 +0900 Received: by hamlet.wg.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-hamlet) id AAA29797; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:05:57 +0900 Received: by othello.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb/2.8Wb-othello) id AAA21125; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:05:54 +0900 From: Jeffrey Friedl Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:05:48 +0900 Message-Id: <199606171505.AAA02404@tubby.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp> To: thinkpad mailing list Subject: my cup holder is broken Reply-To: jfriedl@omron.co.jp Forwarded to me.... too funny to be true! Jeffrey ------------------------------------------------------------------------ True story from a Novell NetWare SysOp: Caller: "Hello, is this Tech Support?" Tech Rep: "Yes, it is. How may I help you?" Caller: "The cup holder on my PC is broken and I am within my warranty period. How do I go about getting that fixed?" Tech Rep: "I'm sorry, but did you say a cup holder?" Caller: "Yes, it's attached to the front of my computer." Tech Rep: "Please excuse me if I seem a bit stumped, it's because I am. Did you receive this as part of a promotional, at a trade show? How did you get this cup holder? Does it have any trademark on it?" Caller: "It came with my computer, I don't know anything about a promotional. It just has '4X' on it." At this point the Tech Rep had to mute the caller, because he could not stand it. The caller had been using the load drawer of the CD-ROM drive as a cup holder, and snapped it off the drive. - From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 12:06:39 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16943; Mon, 17 Jun 96 12:06:39 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27688; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:05:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:00:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27130; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:00:53 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA27116; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:00:50 -0400 Received: from (geosab@aus-tx6-18.ix.netcom.com [199.35.201.210]) by dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA24601; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:00:05 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:00:05 -0700 Message-Id: <199606171600.JAA24601@dfw-ix7.ix.netcom.com> From: geosab@ix.netcom.com (George Sabatino) Subject: Replacement hinge for TP360CSE To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu I've got a broken hinge on a Thinkpad 360CSE. Can't find anyone to sell me a replacement hinge. I'm being told I've got to buy an entire new screen, which costs hundreds of dollars. Does anyone know of a part supplier for this, or know of a Thinkpad "graveyard" where I could buy a replacement hinge? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks George Sabatino gps@ctw.com geosab@ix.netcom.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 12:13:27 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17302; Mon, 17 Jun 96 12:13:27 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28626; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:13:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:11:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28314; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:11:24 -0400 Received: from chaph.usc.edu (root@chaph.usc.edu [128.125.253.133]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA28308; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:11:21 -0400 Received: from girtab.usc.edu (sterni@girtab.usc.edu [128.125.253.145]) by chaph.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.3/usc) with ESMTP id JAA22660 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:11:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (sterni@localhost) by girtab.usc.edu (8.7.2/8.7.2/usc) with SMTP id JAA06004 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:11:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:11:12 -0700 (PDT) From: "John W. Sterni" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP750 batteries Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I was wondering if anyone has any info on purchasing a battery for a TP750. Mine, after two years years of good service, finally will no longer hold a charge. I remember someone telling me that ordering one as a replacement part was cheape, but I lost the message with the P/N. If anyone knows of a goos place to pick one up that can beat IBM' $199.00 sticker shock :( please let me know.. thanks in advance. -john sterni@scf.usc.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 12:32:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17984; Mon, 17 Jun 96 12:32:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00952; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:32:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:30:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00772; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:30:26 -0400 Received: from igate.ska.com (firewall-user@igate.ska.com [198.240.202.195]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00708; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:30:13 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by igate.ska.com (8.7.3/8.6.11) id SAA07988 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:24:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from mx1.ska.com(159.122.160.4) by igate.ska.com via smap (g3.0.3) id xma007984; Mon, 17 Jun 96 18:24:06 +0200 Received: from firestorm.foa.ska.com (firestorm.foa.ska.com [159.122.18.221]) by mx1.ska.com (8.7.5+phmap-1.3/8.7.3/MX1-02-APR-96) with ESMTP id SAA20546 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:28:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from wsf20 (wsf20 [159.122.18.180]) by firestorm.foa.ska.com (8.6.12+phmap-1.2/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA10213 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:27:53 +0200 Received: from wsf20 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wsf20 (8.6.12+phmap-1.2/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA02696 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:28:46 +0200 Sender: Alan.Hodgkinson@ska.com Message-Id: <31C587BD.6789@ska.com> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:28:45 +0200 From: Alan Hodgkinson Organization: Credit Suisse, Zurich X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; SunOS 5.3 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Linux and internal modem/SCSI DAT drive Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a Thinkpad 755CE which has an internal modem. I have installed Linux on the system (Slackware with kernel 1.2.13) and so far everything works find. How can I access the built-in modem? Do I need to create a special device file, rebuild the kernel with a special option, install a module, or what? I also have a Bus Toaster PCMCIA card. Linux is able to access my CD-ROM drive but I'm having trouble getting it to recognize my 4mm DAT drive. Anyone got any tips for me? I suspect it's a kernel configuration problem. Many thanks in advance for any help.. Alan. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 12:35:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17998; Mon, 17 Jun 96 12:35:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01185; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:34:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:33:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01033; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:33:28 -0400 Received: from netcom9.netcom.com (phr@netcom9.netcom.com [192.100.81.119]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01021; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:33:25 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom9.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA14789; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:33:14 -0700 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:33:14 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199606171633.JAA14789@netcom9.netcom.com> To: sterni@chaph.usc.edu, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Mon, 17 Jun 1996 I got a NiMH battery for my 755cx for $125.00 from Netstream International, 214-664-0383. They get them in and out of stock so if they don't have them when you call, you might wait a while. I'm not sure if the 755cx uses the same battery as the 750. They also have other TP items on closeout sometimes, e.g. I got a Dock 1 for $325.00. (Anyone want to buy it for a little bit less than that? There's nothing wrong with it, I find I just don't like it that much). From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 12:47:18 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18533; Mon, 17 Jun 96 12:47:18 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02688; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:46:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:45:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02353; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:45:00 -0400 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02347; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:44:57 -0400 Received: from LOCALNAME (ip-pdx17-36.teleport.com [206.163.124.36]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id JAA29920 for ; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:44:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606171644.JAA29920@desiree.teleport.com> X-Sender: allied@mail.teleport.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Bryan Daum Subject: Re: Leaking battery ? As with other posts I find curious battery /charging events from time to time on my 701.. Notably when reading 40 or 50% remaining battery rapidly goes to zero. In spite of "battery conditioning" efforts he original nicad went from 40% to stone dead and then never came back. It happened when I plugged in the charger while reading posts on batteries! IBM repaced it with a new nimh which works much better but sometimes the rapid drop off seems to still happen. BTW: IBM service was faster than they pomiced and they were curtious and helpful big time. I hope that this level of service/support continues. Service and support is where its at.....and I am always surprised to read posts of unhappy service experiences. Bryan From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 13:49:03 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20765; Mon, 17 Jun 96 13:49:03 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07650; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:48:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:46:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07462; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:46:07 -0400 Received: from chelsea.ios.com (root@chelsea.ios.com [198.4.75.52]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA07450; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:46:02 -0400 Received: (from ingerman@localhost) by chelsea.ios.com (8.6.11/8.6.9) id NAA09510; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:36:50 -0400 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 13:36:50 -0400 (EDT) From: "Mark M. Ingerman" X-Sender: ingerman@chelsea.ios.com To: Thinkpad Forum Subject: 701s available Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am thinking that I missed the boat, but does anyone know where I can get a hold of a 701. I am looking for one for my sister. Mark M. Ingerman Creative Software Solutions, Inc. ingerman@cs2.com (508) 394-5899 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 14:16:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22330; Mon, 17 Jun 96 14:16:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09803; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:12:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:02:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09093; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:02:43 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09069; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:02:36 -0400 Received: from omerie.ai.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21499; Mon, 17 Jun 96 14:02:28 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu id m0uVidA-0000WnC (Debian /\oo/\ Smail3.1.29.1 #29.37); Mon, 17 Jun 96 14:02 EDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 14:02 EDT From: cph@martigny.ai.mit.edu (Chris Hanson) To: Alan.Hodgkinson@ska.com Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <31C587BD.6789@ska.com> (Alan.Hodgkinson@ska.com) Subject: Linux and internal modem/SCSI DAT drive X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:28:45 +0200 From: Alan Hodgkinson I have a Thinkpad 755CE which has an internal modem. I have installed Linux on the system (Slackware with kernel 1.2.13) and so far everything works find. How can I access the built-in modem? Do I need to create a special device file, rebuild the kernel with a special option, install a module, or what? The internal modem can't be used with Linux. It depends on some proprietary IBM software. There are some folks working to build a loader for it, but it hasn't happened. I also have a Bus Toaster PCMCIA card. Linux is able to access my CD-ROM drive but I'm having trouble getting it to recognize my 4mm DAT drive. Anyone got any tips for me? I suspect it's a kernel configuration problem. Did you configure the kernel with SCSI tape support? If you didn't configure the kernel yourself, it's probable that the tape support isn't configured. I'm not sure how to tell, but it's fairly easy to rebuild the kernel, and well worth doing just for the experience. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 14:39:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23106; Mon, 17 Jun 96 14:39:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11900; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:35:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:31:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11496; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:31:25 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11485; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:31:20 -0400 Received: from lee.market1.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uVj2N-001BLmC; Mon, 17 Jun 96 12:28 MDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 12:28 MDT X-Sender: lee@rmii.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: geosab@ix.netcom.com (George Sabatino), thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: lee@rmii.com (Lee Stewart) Subject: Re: Replacement hinge for TP360CSE >I've got a broken hinge on a Thinkpad 360CSE. Can't find anyone to sell me a >replacement hinge. I'm being told I've got to buy an entire new screen, which >costs hundreds of dollars. Does anyone know of a part supplier for this, or know >of a Thinkpad "graveyard" where I could buy a replacement hinge? Any help would >be appreciated. Thanks The hinges on my 755C display were just about shot and I just had it replaced today (on site IBM warrenty is great! and almost worth the price).. When the CE replaced it, it was a whole new display unit... Lee Stewart From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 16:12:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27085; Mon, 17 Jun 96 16:12:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21905; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:10:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:07:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21470; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:07:20 -0400 Received: from kotliar1.rutgers.edu (kotliar1.rutgers.edu [128.6.55.49]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA21463; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:07:17 -0400 Received: (from azaria@localhost) by kotliar1.rutgers.edu (8.6.12+bestmx+oldruq+newsunq+grosshack/8.6.12) id QAA04990 for THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:06:32 -0400 From: Patrick Azaria Message-Id: <199606172006.QAA04990@kotliar1.rutgers.edu> Subject: New To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:06:31 -0400 (EDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Does someone has any informations concerning running Linux on the new Thinkpad 560 serie? The one I have is a Pentium 100 with a PCI bus and 800 MEG Hard Disk. Thanks, Patrick From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 16:32:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28267; Mon, 17 Jun 96 16:32:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23467; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:26:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:26:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23358; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:26:17 -0400 Received: from alder.nesc.epa.gov (alder.nesc.epa.gov [204.46.18.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA23337; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:26:01 -0400 Received: from baobab.nesc.epa.gov by alder.nesc.epa.gov (5.4R3.10T/140.2) id AA05249; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:25:08 -0400 Received: by baobab.nesc.epa.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA19320; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:24:35 -0400 From: "Vince Wayland" Message-Id: <9606171624.ZM19318@baobab.nesc.epa.gov> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 16:24:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Mark M. Ingerman" "701s available" (Jun 17, 1:36pm) References: X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: "Mark M. Ingerman" , Thinkpad Forum Subject: Re: 701s available Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >From the June 7, 1996 Processor Magazine: 1. Daac Computers & Notebooks, INc. (407) 752-9700 (V), (407) 752-0102 (F) 3256 Lake Washington Rd., Melbourne, FL 32934 "CALL" 2. GE Capital Computer Remarketing Services (800) 431-7713(V), (770) 453-6020 (F) $$3795 - $ 3995 Really! 3. DIGInet Inc. (800) 847-6981 (V), (614) 431-3666(F), "CALL" 4. IBIP,(714) 229-9949(V), (714) 229-8451 (F), 2601 W. Ball Rd., Ste. 205 Anaheim, CA 92804 TP701C 486/DX50 4/360 $1700 I have nothing to do with any of the above. Vince On Jun 17, 1:36pm, Mark M. Ingerman wrote: > Subject: 701s available > > I am thinking that I missed the boat, but does anyone know where I can > get a hold of a 701. I am looking for one for my sister. > > Mark M. Ingerman > Creative Software Solutions, Inc. > ingerman@cs2.com > (508) 394-5899 >-- End of excerpt from Mark M. Ingerman -- Vince Wayland Onsite at The National Environmental Supercomputer Center (517)894-7671 for Cray Research, Inc. veg@nesc.epa.gov NESC, 135 Washington Ave., Bay City, MI 48708 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 16:53:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29059; Mon, 17 Jun 96 16:53:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA02084; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:17:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:11:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00777; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:11:52 -0400 Received: from pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us [206.210.65.57]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA00738; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 09:11:43 -0400 Received: by pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (Smail3.1.28.1 #64) id m0uVe5M-00011DC; Mon, 17 Jun 96 09:11 EDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 09:11 EDT From: jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones) To: dpark@ucla.edu Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Cheap CD Rom Drives for Thinkpads One important proviso regarding the Panasonic KXL-D720: There is no driver for OS/2 or Linux. I have been attempting to get technical information from Panasonic sufficient for me to implement a client driver for OS/2 (and Linux) for a couple of months now without success. Perhaps it is time to go to the head office - Matsushita, Japan! David Jones From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Mon Jun 17 17:02:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29542; Mon, 17 Jun 96 17:02:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03532; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:52:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:50:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03162; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:50:25 -0400 Received: from UTKVM1.UTK.EDU (UTKVM1.UTK.EDU [128.169.200.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA03155; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:50:20 -0400 Received: from UTKVM1.BITNET by UTKVM1.UTK.EDU (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9169; Mon, 17 Jun 96 12:50:04 LCL Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU by UTKVM1.BITNET (Mailer R2.10 ptf000) with BSMTP id 7580; Mon, 17 Jun 96 12:50:03 LCL Received: from WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (NJE origin KRUCK@WVNVM) by WVNVM.WVNET.EDU (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9026; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:47:16 -0400 Message-Id: Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 12:47:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Ruckstuhl, Keith E" To: Subject: 750 screen-help! I have a TP750, mono screen. About 12 months ago, I had screen problems, so I had IBM replace the whole screen panel, etc., as it was still under warranty. It is no longer under warranty, and I am having the following problem. I can't afford IBM's prices for non-warranty repairs, and was wondering if anyone has had this problem and fixed it on their own... The screen is apparently dual scan (passive matrix). The lower half of the screen is apparently made up ofvertical lines, as every other (maybe every third?) line is no longer functioning on the lower half of the screen. How can I fix this? Please email replies directly to me, as I am not a member of this mailing list. Thank you very, very much- Keith Ruckstuhl From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 17:09:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA29685; Mon, 17 Jun 96 17:09:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA14039; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 15:00:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:57:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13768; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:57:30 -0400 Received: from mail.physics.ox.ac.uk (mail.physics.ox.ac.uk [163.1.244.140]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA13757; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:57:20 -0400 Received: from geoff.physics.ox.ac.uk (pc138.physics.ox.ac.uk) by mail.physics.ox.ac.uk with SMTP (Oxford Physics Sendmail for ) id AA05204; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:17:27 +0100 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960617181835.006ddf30@mail.physics.ox.ac.uk> X-Sender: hogangp@mail.physics.ox.ac.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:18:35 +0100 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Geoff Hogan Subject: X on a TP 755cx (VGA) I am a new Linux (Slackware 3.0.0) "user" (still in the setting up stage!) so please excuse my ignorance. From all those Linux ThinkPad users out ther, is there anyone that can tell me what I am doing wrong when trying to get X working under Linux (XFree86 3.1.2 - the version that supports WD90C24). I have the VGA (640x480) version of the TP 755cx. I am using xf86config and give the following answers: 31.5 kHz hsync; Standard VGA, 640x480 @60 Hz Monitor 50-90 vsync range WD 90C24 (laptop) video card XF86_SVGA server 1024K video memory No Clockchip setting Running X -probeonly (logged in as root) from within xf86config I get: Running X -probeonly -pn -xf86config /tmp/XF86Config.tmp. X -probeonly call failed. No Clocks line inserted. however if I just run X -probeonly directly (presumably without the rest of the command line) I get (amongst other things) three lines of Clocks mostly about 28.34 and one 49.82 followed by: There is no defined dot-clock matching mode "640x480" Removing mode "640x480" from list of valid modes There is no mode definition named "800x600" Removing mode named "800x600" from list of valid modes There is no mode definition named "1024x768" Fatal server error: No valid modes found. This is (of course) the same as the messages I get when I try and run startx, when I also get: xinit: No such file or directory (errno 2): unexpected signal 13 before returning me to the command line prompt. This is all on a more or less vanilla system (I haven't embarked on APM or PCMCIA support yet!) installed as close to default as possible. I am sure that it is just my lack of understanding of what Linux does with its files, or some other trivial problem. Anyone give me any help (or a 640x480 TP577cx XF86Config)? TIA Geoff Hogan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr G P Hogan Laser Group, Clarendon Laboratory, Tel: +44 1865 272205 Parks Road, Oxford, OX1 3PU Fax: +44 1865 272400 UK Email: g.hogan@physics.ox.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 17:30:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00647; Mon, 17 Jun 96 17:30:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00514; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:30:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:27:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00285; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:27:51 -0400 Received: from gateway.sequent.com (gateway.sequent.com [138.95.18.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00239; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 17:27:46 -0400 Received: from eng5.sequent.com (eng5.sequent.com [138.95.7.49]) by gateway.sequent.com (8.6.13/8.6.9) with ESMTP id OAA15393; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:27:02 -0700 Received: (from patmason@localhost) by eng5.sequent.com (8.6.13/8.6.9) id OAA10194; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:27:06 -0700 From: Pat Mason Message-Id: <199606172127.OAA10194@eng5.sequent.com> Subject: Re: 701s available To: ingerman@chelsea.ios.com (Mark M. Ingerman) Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 14:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: from "Mark M. Ingerman" at Jun 17, 96 01:36:50 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mark, let's see what shakes out. I'm thinking of selling my 701C and need a frame of reference for price. What's it worth? IBM Thinkpad Model 701C Active matrix color - "butterfly" keyboard DX4-75Mhz 24MB RAM (8MB + 16MB option) 540MB hard drive (stacked) PCMCIA Ethernet adapter Leather case warranty good through 6/12/98 Currently running: Microsoft DOS 6.22 Windows For Workgroups 3.11 > > > I am thinking that I missed the boat, but does anyone know where I can > get a hold of a 701. I am looking for one for my sister. > > Mark M. Ingerman > Creative Software Solutions, Inc. > ingerman@cs2.com > (508) 394-5899 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pat Mason | email: patmason@sequent.com Sequent Computer Systems, Inc. | (503) 578-5826 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 17 22:04:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17328; Mon, 17 Jun 96 22:04:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA21741; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 22:03:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 17 Jun 1996 21:59:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21245; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 21:59:45 -0400 Received: from krakatoa.mpce.mq.edu.au (krakatoa.mpce.mq.edu.au [137.111.240.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA21238; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 21:59:36 -0400 Received: (from kcheong@localhost) by krakatoa.mpce.mq.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id LAA26341; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:59:22 +1000 From: Kevin CHEONG Message-Id: <199606180159.LAA26341@krakatoa.mpce.mq.edu.au> Subject: Re: Cheap CD Rom Drives for Thinkpads To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 11:59:22 +1000 (EST) Cc: jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us In-Reply-To: from "David Jones" at Jun 17, 96 09:11:00 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit `Date: Mon, 17 Jun 96 09:11 EDT `From: jones@pyrrhus.pgh.pa.us (David Jones) `Subject: Re: Cheap CD Rom Drives for Thinkpads ` `One important proviso regarding the Panasonic KXL-D720: There is no `driver for OS/2 or Linux. I have been attempting to get technical `information from Panasonic sufficient for me to implement a client `driver for OS/2 (and Linux) for a couple of months now without success. `Perhaps it is time to go to the head office - Matsushita, Japan! `David Jones ` I've recently noticed a portable Panasonic 4x advertised for AUD$699 here in Sydney. I've yet to see it. Anyone know or used this? cheers .kevin cheong From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 18 00:19:55 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22839; Tue, 18 Jun 96 00:19:55 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02566; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:18:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:16:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02405; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:16:28 -0400 Received: from netcom21.netcom.com (dmedders@netcom21.netcom.com [192.100.81.135]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA02391; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:16:25 -0400 Received: (from dmedders@localhost) by netcom21.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id XAA10301; Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:16:15 -0500 Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 23:16:14 -0500 (CDT) From: David Medders Subject: Re: Linux and internal modem/SCSI DAT drive To: Chris Hanson Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Who is doing this development and how can I help? On Mon, 17 Jun 1996, Chris Hanson wrote: > Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1996 18:28:45 +0200 > From: Alan Hodgkinson > > I have a Thinkpad 755CE which has an internal modem. I have > installed Linux on the system (Slackware with kernel 1.2.13) > and so far everything works find. How can I access the > built-in modem? Do I need to create a special device file, > rebuild the kernel with a special option, install a module, > or what? > > The internal modem can't be used with Linux. It depends on some > proprietary IBM software. There are some folks working to build a > loader for it, but it hasn't happened. > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 18 10:25:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18186; Tue, 18 Jun 96 10:25:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA22773; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:25:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:19:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21801; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:19:35 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA21779; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 10:19:32 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id OAA08084 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:19:28 GMT Message-Id: <199606181419.OAA08084@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip139-92-52-83.vi.at.ibm.net(139.92.52.83) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smajHoCrx; Tue Jun 18 14:19:19 1996 From: "Siegfried Hanisch" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Date: Tue, 18 Jun 96 09:29:36 +0100 Reply-To: "Siegfried Hanisch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Siegfried Hanisch's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: TP701 battery Hi! Is there a cheap source for replacement batteries for the TP701CS? The 2 hours running time are rather short, so would like to get a seconds battery for backup. Greetings # Quick to judge Siegfried Hanisch # Quick to anger =====================================# Slow to understand siegfried.hanisch@ibm.net # Ignorance and prejudice ssaver@ibm.net (ScreenSaver support) # And fear =====================================# Walk hand in hand http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e8925811/ # Rush - "Witch Hunt" PGP public key available # Team OS/2 # Support the Blue Ribbon Campaign for Online Free Speech! http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 18 14:58:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00311; Tue, 18 Jun 96 14:58:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA17625; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:55:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:45:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16298; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:45:57 -0400 Received: from doblegate.doble.com (doblegate.doble.com [204.215.186.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA16275; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:45:48 -0400 From: Received: from ccMail by doblegate.doble.com (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 1c6f8c20; Tue, 18 Jun 96 14:43:14 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 14:42:12 -0400 Message-Id: <1c6f8c20@doblegate.doble.com> To: Kate Bauer Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: MWAVE vs. ISP Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="IMA.Boundary.835123394" This is a Mime message, which your current mail reader may not understand. 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Contact your vendor for details. --IMA.Boundary.835123394 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; name="RFC822 message headers" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Received: from [128.169.94.1] by doblegate.doble.com with SMTP (IMA Internet Exchange v1.04) id 1c5cea90; Mon, 17 Jun 96 17:31:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15364; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:48:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:47:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15329; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:47:45 -0400 Received: from mtshasta.snowcrest.net (mtshasta.snowcrest.net [206.245.192.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA15323; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 19:47:43 -0400 Received: from beesong (ppp7.yreka.snowcrest.net [206.245.194.39]) by mtshasta.sn owcrest.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id QAA25311 for ; Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:47:44 -0700 Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1996 16:47:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199606142347.QAA25311@mtshasta.snowcrest.net> X-Sender: beesong@snowcrest.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU From: Kate Bauer Subject: MWAVE vs. ISP --IMA.Boundary.835123394 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hello, It sounds very much like the ISP's problem and not the mwave. I assume that if you disconnected the modem without logging out that the same problem would occur. I get disconnect problems with regular modems as well. It is true that it is not a defective modem. The modem can be setup to indicate the connect status and I know that serial ports under unix can be configured to logout on modem hangup. So the ISP either does not know how to set this up or is running equipment not capable of doing this. Logout on hang-up is so basic a ISP configuration requirement that I would be suspect of any ISP that can not or does not know how to fix the problem. Either way I would suggest you get another ISP. It is also possibly a security violation. If someone can reconnect to that modem, they would be logged on to your account. With everyone seeming to becoming ISPs, no doubt some do not have a real clue on what they are doing. 73 Eric. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: MWAVE vs. ISP Author: Kate Bauer at Doble-Internet Date: 6/14/96 4:47 PM My modem has recently starting hanging when I am unexpectedly disconnected from my ISP. Then when I try to log in again, dial-up networking (Win 95) reports that I cannot log on to more than one port at a time. To clear, I have to phone my ISP and have them kick the stuck connection off. Even shutting down my Thinkpad 755CD completely and re-booting doesn't clear it. They tell me that it is happening on a variety of their modems instead of just one, so they don't have a defective modem at their end. I have used the MWAVE with this particular ISP for almost a year, and it only recently started doing this. Anyone know how to keep this from happening? Thanks, Kate --IMA.Boundary.835123394-- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 18 18:01:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13307; Tue, 18 Jun 96 18:01:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA03985; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:00:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:57:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03601; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:57:54 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03574; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 17:57:51 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uW8jt-001BRKC; Tue, 18 Jun 96 15:55 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960618215752.00920874@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 18 Jun 1996 15:57:52 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: 750 ED - delayed again Well, the new ETA from NECX is 2 July. Anyone have better luck? ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Specialists in temporary and demonstration environments http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 18 18:18:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14036; Tue, 18 Jun 96 18:18:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA05073; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:12:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:11:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04913; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:11:31 -0400 Received: from mach1.gs.com (mach1.gs.com [192.246.9.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA04897; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:11:27 -0400 From: Received: from gs.com (postoffice1.gs.com [138.8.220.10]) by mach1.gs.com (8.7.1/8.7.1/mach1) with SMTP id SAA05708; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:10:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smgd0.fi.gs.com by gs.com (4.1/GOLDMAN-1.0) id AA26660; Tue, 18 Jun 96 18:11:38 EDT Received: from dumbo.fi.gs.com by smgd0.fi.gs.com (4.1/SMI-4.2 (FI mail hub V3.1)) id AA13269; Tue, 18 Jun 96 18:10:11 EDT Received: by dumbo.fi.gs.com (4.1/FIclient-2.8) id AA11155; Tue, 18 Jun 96 18:10:10 EDT Date: Tue, 18 Jun 96 18:10:10 EDT Message-Id: <9606181810.ZM11153@dumbo.fi.gs.com> In-Reply-To: Steve Hultquist "750 ED - delayed again" (Jun 18, 3:57pm) References: <2.2.32.19960618215752.00920874@[166.93.8.14]> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 15feb95) To: Steve Hultquist , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750 ED - delayed again Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Steve, Don't you mean the 760ED? RCS in NYC has them. They also claim to have the TP 560, 120Mhz model. But these guys sounded really slimy (like most of NYC computer vendors who advertise on Tues. NY Science Times). I ordered my 560 from somewhere else. Jim On Jun 18, 3:57pm, Steve Hultquist wrote: > Subject: 750 ED - delayed again > Well, the new ETA from NECX is 2 July. Anyone have better luck? > > ssh > -- > Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. > > Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 > Specialists in temporary and demonstration environments > http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA > >-- End of excerpt from Steve Hultquist From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 18 18:32:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14854; Tue, 18 Jun 96 18:32:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07347; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:32:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:30:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07051; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:30:13 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA07025; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 18:30:09 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id WAA32747 for ; Tue, 18 Jun 1996 22:27:51 GMT Received: from teleport26.shani.net(192.115.25.126) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaqMADmb; Tue Jun 18 22:27:40 1996 Message-Id: <31C7B9B1.5C@shani.net> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 01:26:25 -0700 From: Eran Tromer X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I; 16bit) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 560 purchasing risks Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good evening. I'm considering buying a ThinkPad 560. Unfortunately this modal hasn't been announced here in Israel and according to IBM will not be announced in the near future. Therefore, it seem I'll have to mail-order it from abroad. I'd appreciate advice on the following issues: 1. What are the chances of getting a defective unit? It would be, of course, grossly inconvinient and inefficient to take advantage of 30 day money-back guarantees. I gather the most problematic system is the screen. Are dual-scan screens, such as the one I'm intending to get, less prone to defects than active-matrix ones? Are there any other systems I should worry about in particular? 2. While 560s and 560-specific parts are not availably here (apart from warranty service), parts for other models (36x, 701, 75x, 76x) are. With what models is the 560 compatible in terms of hard drive, battery, memory DIMMs, port replicators, etc.? 3. Can you recommend a mail-order firm, preferably in Europe though the US will do, I can count on? So far I got positive responses only from CompUSA. Thanks in advance. Regards, Eran Tromer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 19 02:02:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10069; Wed, 19 Jun 96 02:02:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA09726; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 02:01:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 19 Jun 1996 01:57:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09351; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 01:57:29 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA09344; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 01:57:23 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA24125; Wed, 19 Jun 96 01:54:52 EDT Date: Wed, 19 Jun 96 01:54:52 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606190554.AA24125@nile.gnat.com> To: jim.ahn@gs.com, ssh@wwsi.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750 ED - delayed again "Don't you mean the 760ED? RCS in NYC has them. They also claim to have the TP 560, 120Mhz model. But these guys sounded really slimy (like most of NYC computer vendors who advertise on Tues. NY Science Times). I ordered my 560 from somewhere else." "Don't you mean the 760ED? RCS in NYC has them. They also claim to have the TP 560, 120Mhz model. But these guys sounded really slimy (like most of NYC computer vendors who advertise on Tues. NY Science Times). I ordered my 560 from somewhere else." I have had excellent experience dealing with RCS -- I really find that reporting this negatively on the basis that you *think* someone *sounds* "slimy" is somewhat unjustified slanderous writing. Sure, if you have bad experience, report it. All I can say is that my experience has been excellent. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 19 12:17:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05156; Wed, 19 Jun 96 12:17:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA06101; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:16:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:09:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05084; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:09:44 -0400 Received: from mach1.gs.com (mach1.gs.com [192.246.9.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05073; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:09:37 -0400 From: Received: from gs.com (postoffice1.gs.com [138.8.220.10]) by mach1.gs.com (8.7.1/8.7.1/mach1) with SMTP id MAA27112; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 12:08:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smgd0.fi.gs.com by gs.com (4.1/GOLDMAN-1.0) id AA07937; Wed, 19 Jun 96 12:10:11 EDT Received: from dumbo.fi.gs.com by smgd0.fi.gs.com (4.1/SMI-4.2 (FI mail hub V3.1)) id AA27659; Wed, 19 Jun 96 12:08:44 EDT Received: by dumbo.fi.gs.com (4.1/FIclient-2.8) id AA12854; Wed, 19 Jun 96 12:08:37 EDT Date: Wed, 19 Jun 96 12:08:37 EDT Message-Id: <9606191208.ZM12852@dumbo.fi.gs.com> In-Reply-To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) "Re: 750 ED - delayed again" (Jun 19, 1:54am) References: <9606190554.AA24125@nile.gnat.com> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 15feb95) To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar), ssh@wwsi.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750 ED - delayed again Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jun 19, 1:54am, Robert Dewar wrote: > Subject: Re: 750 ED - delayed again > "Don't you mean the 760ED? RCS in NYC has them. They also claim to have the TP > 560, 120Mhz model. But these guys sounded really slimy (like most of NYC > computer vendors who advertise on Tues. NY Science Times). I ordered my 560 > from somewhere else." > > "Don't you mean the 760ED? RCS in NYC has them. They also claim to have the TP > 560, 120Mhz model. But these guys sounded really slimy (like most of NYC > computer vendors who advertise on Tues. NY Science Times). I ordered my 560 > from somewhere else." > > I have had excellent experience dealing with RCS -- I really find that > reporting this negatively on the basis that you *think* someone *sounds* > "slimy" is somewhat unjustified slanderous writing. Sure, if you have > bad experience, report it. All I can say is that my experience has > been excellent. >-- End of excerpt from Robert Dewar I call up a NYC electronics vendor to get their price and availability on a ThinkPad 560. The salesman instinctively engages in the old 'bait and switch' routine - "Yeah we got that in stock, but I have a Toshiba XXX model just as good for $xxxx". When further inquired about their return policy incase of defective TFT display, he proceeds to rudely put me on hold. Comes back a minute later, and responds vaguely - "Yeah, we can work something out". I've had enough experiences with NYC vendors to know what that means. Excuse me if I rather not spend my $4000 on them. Jim From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 19 13:25:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09523; Wed, 19 Jun 96 13:25:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12481; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:24:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:22:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12252; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:22:24 -0400 Received: from psi.com (psi.com [192.67.6.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA12246; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:22:20 -0400 Received: from qtny.quantime.com by psi.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI) id NAA06615; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:21:56 -0400 Received: from quantime.co.uk by qtny.quantime.com; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 13:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tiree.quantime.co.uk (tiree) by quantime.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:21:08 +0100 Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:23:40 +0100 Received: from lajudd.quantime.co.uk by tiree.quantime.co.uk; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 18:23:40 +0100 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960619182908.875bb2d0@tiree.quantime.co.uk> X-Sender: ajudd@tiree.quantime.co.uk X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Alex Judd Subject: NT Mwave ThinkPad drivers available (fwd) Cc: ajudd@quantime.co.uk Thought this might be of interest to you all. Have installed them with NTV4.0 Beta 2 on a TP755CD and (apart from upsetting my network card on install) they are working just great. Alex - SNIP - Hello all, Seeing as I get a lot of email asking me about this, I figured I had better post a message to the list. IBM has just released v2.21 (I believe they may be beta) drivers for the Mwave DSP in the ThinkPad 755/760 for Windows NT. The files are all on my site ftp://watson.mbb.sfu.ca/pub/mwave/ibm/thinkpad755 ftp://watson.mbb.sfu.ca/pub/mwave/ibm/thinkpad760 as well as IBM's site ftp://ftp.pcco.ibm.com/pub/pccbbs/mobiles Filenames are mwnt2210.doc, mwnt221[1-3].exe, and tpwinnt.txt. Personally I've never once used Windows NT and I have no experience with these drivers at all. Hopefully they work well for all those interested. Jeff -- Jeff Bryer | Mwave Archive Site: (running Linux) mwave@watson.mbb.sfu.ca | watson.mbb.sfu.ca (142.58.213.31) Mwave Archive Administration | /pub/mwave (software + info) WWW Mwave URL - http://watson.mbb.sfu.ca/ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 19 14:39:53 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13102; Wed, 19 Jun 96 14:39:53 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA19262; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:38:54 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:34:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18779; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:34:35 -0400 Received: from gw.aexp.com (gw.aexp.com [205.138.230.66]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA18753; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 14:34:23 -0400 Received: by gw.aexp.com; id LAA14222; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 11:33:17 -0700 (MST) Received: from mailhub1.ec.aexp.com(148.171.184.1) by gw.aexp.com via smap (V3.1) id xmao13932; Wed, 19 Jun 96 11:33:05 -0700 Received: from amexdns.amex-trs.com by mailhub1.ec.aexp.com; Wed, 19 Jun 96 11:30:45 -0700 Received: from rsv08.dss.trcn.amex-trs.com by amexdns.amex-trs.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA67065; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 11:21:21 -0700 Received: by rsv08.dss.trcn.amex-trs.com (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA71094; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 11:36:35 -0700 From: skimmel@amex-trs.com (Steve Kimmel) Message-Id: <9606191836.AA71094@rsv08.dss.trcn.amex-trs.com> Subject: NT Mwave ThinkPad drivers available (fwd) To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 11:36:35 -0700 (MST) Cc: skimmel@rsv08.dss.trcn.amex-trs.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Forwarded message: > To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu > From: Alex Judd > Subject: NT Mwave ThinkPad drivers available (fwd) > Cc: ajudd@quantime.co.uk > > Thought this might be of interest to you all. > > Have installed them with NTV4.0 Beta 2 on a TP755CD and (apart from > upsetting my network card on install) they are working just great. > > Alex > Could you expand upon this a little. I tried to install a pcmcia token ring card (ibm's auto 16/4) and win96 complained that it was causing a confilct. At first the complaint was about the irq which was conflicting with the one that the mwave modem was using. After moving that and the DSP irq around win95 still complained about a conflict (in the system area) but didn't identify what _and_ DSP complained about an invalid irq. ("mwave error VxD002 Resource Conflict on mwave irq") By complained, I mean that in the system hardware display, the token ring card was shown with symbol over it (sorry, can't remember if it was a red "x" or another symbol.) At the moment everying is back where it was, i.e., no token ring card and everything else back to the original interrupts. FWIW the machine is a 755cd with 1.2gb drive and 40mb of memory total. If anyone else has any experiences with this type of adapter card and win95 please jump in. I downloaded and was using the win95 drivers from the win95 sub directory of the trcc.exe file from the ibm ftp site (as of friday, 6/14.) Thanks. -- Steve Kimmel American Express - TRS skimmel@amex-trs.com Phoenix, Az., USA 602-504-2326 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 19 17:47:41 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20753; Wed, 19 Jun 96 17:47:41 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08628; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:47:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:38:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07649; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:38:35 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA07643; Wed, 19 Jun 1996 17:38:28 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uWUtn-001BhbC; Wed, 19 Jun 96 15:34 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960619213734.0094f1d4@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Jun 1996 15:37:34 -0600 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar), jim.ahn@gs.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: 750 ED - delayed again At 01:54 AM 6/19/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >"Don't you mean the 760ED? RCS in NYC has them. They also claim to have the TP >560, 120Mhz model. But these guys sounded really slimy (like most of NYC >computer vendors who advertise on Tues. NY Science Times). I ordered my 560 >from somewhere else." >I have had excellent experience dealing with RCS -- I really find that >reporting this negatively on the basis that you *think* someone *sounds* >"slimy" is somewhat unjustified slanderous writing. Sure, if you have >bad experience, report it. All I can say is that my experience has >been excellent. Robert, Anyone in particular I should talk with? I *hate* dealing with NYC vendors for the most part, being a mid-west boy with a laid-back approach to life. You want to order it for me?! :-) Anyway, let me know who you order the stuff from, and I'll see about making that change... Thanks! Cheers, ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Specialists in temporary and demonstration environments http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 20 08:49:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04193; Thu, 20 Jun 96 08:49:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01296; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:49:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:44:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00377; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:44:14 -0400 Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00363; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:44:01 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id aa01335; 20 Jun 96 12:19 GMT Received: from poppy.demon.co.uk ([158.152.35.157]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id ab09835; 20 Jun 96 12:17 +0100 From: Peter Goddard To: jfriedl@omron.co.jp Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: my cup holder is broken Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 18:42:24 GMT Organization: Poppy Films Ltd Message-Id: <31c99b12.1873942@post.demon.co.uk> References: <199606171505.AAA02404@tubby.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp> In-Reply-To: <199606171505.AAA02404@tubby.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 On Tue, 18 Jun 1996 00:05:48 +0900, you wrote: > >Forwarded to me.... too funny to be true! > Jeffrey >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >True story from a Novell NetWare SysOp: > > Caller: "Hello, is this Tech Support?" > > Tech Rep: "Yes, it is. How may I help you?" > Caller: "The cup holder on my PC is broken and I am within my warranty >period. How do I go about getting that fixed?" > > Tech Rep: "I'm sorry, but did you say a cup holder?" > > Caller: "Yes, it's attached to the front of my computer." > > Tech Rep: "Please excuse me if I seem a bit stumped, it's because I am. > Did you receive this as part of a promotional, at a trade show? How did >you get this cup holder? Does it have any trademark on it?" > > Caller: "It came with my computer, I don't know anything about a >promotional. It just has '4X' on it." > > At this point the Tech Rep had to mute the caller, because he could not >stand it. The caller had been using the load drawer of the CD-ROM drive as a >cup holder, and snapped it off the drive. > >- I think the fault here lies in the fact that the user failed to read the manual, if he had done so he would have realised that a 4X cup holder will only support paper cups no larger than 10 fl ozs. I guess he had his coffee in a china mug and for that he would need at least a 6X cup holder. I have a Toshiba 8X cup holder and I can get it to support a pint of lager quite easily. BTW does anyone out there know how to get a Bus Toaster card to toast BOTH sides of the bread at the same time under Linux. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 20 11:05:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12028; Thu, 20 Jun 96 11:05:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20825; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:05:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:02:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20544; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:02:10 -0400 Received: from mailgate.Cadence.COM (mailgate.Cadence.COM [158.140.2.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA20525; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:02:02 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by mailgate.Cadence.COM (8.6.8/8.6.8) id IAA20983; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:01:57 -0700 Received: from cds9258.cadence.com(158.140.32.4) by mailgate.cadence.com via smap (V1.0mjr) id sma835282913.020975; Thu Jun 20 08:01:54 1996 Received: from perley-ppp.cadence.com (annex-sj4-14.cadence.com [158.140.31.24]) by cds9258.cadence.com (8.6.8/8.6.8) with SMTP id IAA23978; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:01:51 -0700 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 08:01:51 -0700 Message-Id: <199606201501.IAA23978@cds9258.cadence.com> X-Sender: perley@eudora1.cadence.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Peter Goddard From: Don Perley Subject: Re: my cup holder is broken Cc: jfriedl@omron.co.jp, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 06:42 PM 6/20/96 GMT, Peter Goddard wrote: > >BTW does anyone out there know how to get a Bus Toaster card to toast >BOTH sides of the bread at the same time under Linux. A video toaster works well with TV dinners. OOPS! Wrong platform. -Don Perley perley@cadence.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 20 11:28:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13183; Thu, 20 Jun 96 11:28:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23618; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:28:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:25:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23407; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:25:52 -0400 Received: from mach1.gs.com (mach1.gs.com [192.246.9.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23395; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:25:47 -0400 Received: from gs.com (postoffice1.gs.com [138.8.220.10]) by mach1.gs.com (8.7.1/8.7.1/mach1) with SMTP id LAA02462 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:25:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smgd0.fi.gs.com by gs.com (4.1/GOLDMAN-1.0) id AA03219; Thu, 20 Jun 96 11:26:37 EDT Received: from dumbo.fi.gs.com by smgd0.fi.gs.com (4.1/SMI-4.2 (FI mail hub V3.1)) id AA18900; Thu, 20 Jun 96 11:25:03 EDT Received: from dumbo (localhost.fi.gs.com) by dumbo.fi.gs.com (4.1/FIclient-2.8) id AA15578; Thu, 20 Jun 96 11:24:56 EDT Sender: jim.ahn@gs.com Message-Id: <31C96D43.2781E494@gs.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:24:51 -0400 From: Jim Ahn Organization: Goldman Sachs & Co. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (X11; I; SunOS 4.1.4 sun4m) Mime-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: comp.sys.laptops Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Optimal memory size for ThinkPad 560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just got my new ThinkPad 560 (P120, 12.1 TFT) by FedEx yesterday. Great machine. Problem is, it came with the standard 8 MB of memory. I've never used a Win 95 machine with only 8 MB of memory before. It runs slower than a Dell P90 with 16 MB of memory at the office! It swaps like crazy and switching apps is slooow. I thought 16 MB would be sufficient, but now I'm thinking maybe 24 MB. 8MB upgrade is going to cost me about $200, 16 MB $400. What is the 'marginal' performance gain exactly??? thanks! Jim p.s. Know of a cheap memory source? From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 20 13:25:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17561; Thu, 20 Jun 96 13:25:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03572; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:22:50 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:19:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03173; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:19:39 -0400 Received: from gateway.sequent.com (gateway.sequent.com [138.95.18.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03162; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:19:28 -0400 Received: from eng5.sequent.com (eng5.sequent.com [138.95.7.49]) by gateway.sequent.com (8.6.13/8.6.9) with ESMTP id KAA22357; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:18:21 -0700 Received: (from patmason@localhost) by eng5.sequent.com (8.6.13/8.6.9) id KAA11287; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:18:18 -0700 From: Pat Mason Message-Id: <199606201718.KAA11287@eng5.sequent.com> Subject: Re: 701s available To: patmason@sequent.com (Pat Mason) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:18:17 -0700 (PDT) Cc: ingerman@chelsea.ios.com, tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <199606172127.OAA10194@eng5.sequent.com> from "Pat Mason" at Jun 17, 96 02:27:00 pm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So far only 1 person has responded to this mail. c'mon, help us out. Pat > > Mark, let's see what shakes out. > > I'm thinking of selling my 701C and need a frame of reference for > price. What's it worth? > > > IBM Thinkpad Model 701C > Active matrix color - "butterfly" keyboard > DX4-75Mhz > 24MB RAM (8MB + 16MB option) > 540MB hard drive (stacked) > PCMCIA Ethernet adapter > Leather case > warranty good through 6/12/98 > > Currently running: > Microsoft DOS 6.22 > Windows For Workgroups 3.11 > > > > > > > I am thinking that I missed the boat, but does anyone know where I can > > get a hold of a 701. I am looking for one for my sister. > > > > Mark M. Ingerman > > Creative Software Solutions, Inc. > > ingerman@cs2.com > > (508) 394-5899 > > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 20 13:25:09 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17566; Thu, 20 Jun 96 13:25:09 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03638; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:23:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:22:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03475; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:22:06 -0400 Received: from vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA03466; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:22:02 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by vmedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 kells.vmedia.com) id NAA18530; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:17:43 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA5597; Thu, 20 Jun 96 13:16:33 -0700 Message-Id: <9606202016.AA5597@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id E338795FE2F961238525634F005D44CC; Thu, 20 Jun 96 13:16:25 EDT To: Jim Ahn Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 20 Jun 96 13:09:10 EDT Subject: Re: Optimal memory size for ThinkPad 560 X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...I thought 16 MB would be sufficient, but now I'm thinking maybe 24 MB. 8MB upgrade is going to cost me about $200, 16 MB $400. What is the 'marginal' performance gain exactly??? p.s. Know of a cheap memory source?..." ~~~~~ you'll see a huge performance difference between 8 and 16 in win95. i've never benchmarked the difference between 16 and 24, but i do notice it when i'm running very large applications or opening very large data files. for example, i notice a big difference between running a 25mb macromedia viewer file on a 755cd with 24mb of ram & running it on one with 16mb. i don't notice a difference running netscape or ms word. i haven't bought any tp ram in a while, so i don't know if it's still the case, but 'simple technology' used to be the cheapest around & i've found it to be trouble-free. Michael J. Verne Computer Support Manager, VentanaCommunications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 20 13:32:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17862; Thu, 20 Jun 96 13:32:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04686; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:30:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:29:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04476; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:29:04 -0400 Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA04463; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:29:00 -0400 Received: from metis.execpc.com (metis.execpc.com [169.207.5.87]) by mail.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id MAA16899 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:28:49 -0500 (CDT) From: emjay@execpc.com (Tom Kustner) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Mirror site for Thinkpad drivers? Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:28:47 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <31c989ca.7290140@mailgate.execpc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 I am downloading Windows 3.11 for the Thinkpad 760ED from http://www.pc.ibm.com/support/tps/tpw311.html and that site is *slow*. Really it's the ftp://ftp.pc.ibm.com site which is the problem. Is there any other place to get these drivers? Is it my ISP, perhaps? Thanks, Tom Kustner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: emjay@execpc.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 20 14:18:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19715; Thu, 20 Jun 96 14:18:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09378; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:17:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:15:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09034; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:15:21 -0400 Received: from earth.usa.net (wdunn@earth.usa.net [192.156.196.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09025; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:15:16 -0400 Received: (from wdunn@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id MAA25587; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:15:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:15:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications X-Sender: wdunn@earth To: thinkpad Subject: OS/2 Merlin Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Anyone else participating in the OS/2 Merlin beta program??? --wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications Boulder, CO From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 20 14:18:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19721; Thu, 20 Jun 96 14:18:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09376; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:17:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:15:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09051; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:15:22 -0400 Received: from onyx.interactive.net (root@onyx.interactive.net [204.97.113.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09004; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:15:04 -0400 Received: from columbus (daver@onyx.interactive.net [204.97.113.2]) by onyx.interactive.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA00304 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:17:01 -0400 Received: by columbus with Microsoft Mail id <01BB5EB2.8B997420@columbus>; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:12:42 -0400 Message-Id: <01BB5EB2.8B997420@columbus> From: "David W. Young" To: "'tp750@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: FS: ThinkPad stuff Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:12:40 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The display went south (badly) on my 720c, so I'm selling off whatever parts it has: 1 Kingston KTM-CLSX/4 4MB memory card 1 Kingston KTM-CLSX/8 8MB memory card 170MB EDSI hard disk (in caddy) Also, the system boards are completely functional except for the display controller, which generates vertical lines in many places. If anybody wants these, I'd be willing to part with them pretty cheap: Motherboard Keyboard/Trackpoint assembly 3.5" internal floppy Battery, battery assembly, etc. Dave -- David W. Young Media Connection of New York Internet: dwy@ace.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 20 14:22:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20004; Thu, 20 Jun 96 14:22:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA10088; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:22:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:20:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09712; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:20:03 -0400 Received: from onyx.interactive.net (root@onyx.interactive.net [204.97.113.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA09696; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:20:00 -0400 Received: from columbus (daver@onyx.interactive.net [204.97.113.2]) by onyx.interactive.net (8.6.12/8.6.5) with SMTP id OAA00513 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:21:59 -0400 Received: by columbus with Microsoft Mail id <01BB5EB3.3C4173E0@columbus>; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:17:38 -0400 Message-Id: <01BB5EB3.3C4173E0@columbus> From: "David W. Young" To: "'tp750@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: transferrability of thinkpad memory? Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:17:35 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To which TP models can 700/720 memory be transferred? Also, is there a FAQ for this list? I'm sure I've seen the answer to this question and feel like a dork asking it again. -- David W. Young Media Connection of New York Internet: dwy@ace.net From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 20 14:40:56 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20836; Thu, 20 Jun 96 14:40:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA12017; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:38:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:36:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11874; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:36:35 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA11855; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:36:29 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20537; Thu, 20 Jun 96 14:35:47 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0235; Thu, 20 Jun 96 14:35:37 -0400 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 14:35:37 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9606201835.AA0235@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: dwy@ace.net Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01BB5EB3.3C4173E0@columbus> (dwy@ace.net) Subject: transferrability of thinkpad memory? X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] From: "David W. Young" Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 14:17:35 -0400 Also, is there a FAQ for this list? I'm sure I've seen the answer to this question and feel like a dork asking it again. The FAQ is in "ftp://swiss-ftp.ai.mit.edu/pub/thinkpad/". From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 20 15:54:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24075; Thu, 20 Jun 96 15:54:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05268; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:34:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:33:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05125; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:33:43 -0400 Received: from mom.hooked.net (root@mom.hooked.net [206.80.6.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA05088; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 13:33:25 -0400 Received: from ppp-jesse (also-9.ppp.hooked.net [206.80.9.73]) by mom.hooked.net (8.7.4/8.7.3) with SMTP id KAA09927 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:33:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960620173421.0070da04@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Sender: jesse@mailhost.hooked.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 10:34:21 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: jesse montrose Subject: Re: Optimal memory size for ThinkPad 560 At 11:24 AM 6/20/96 -0400, Jim Ahn wrote: >I just got my new ThinkPad 560 (P120, 12.1 TFT) by FedEx yesterday. >Great machine. Problem is, it came with the standard 8 MB of memory. >I've never used a Win 95 machine with only 8 MB of memory before. It >runs slower than a Dell P90 with 16 MB of memory at the office! It >swaps like crazy and switching apps is slooow. > >I thought 16 MB would be sufficient, but now I'm thinking maybe 24 MB. >8MB upgrade is going to cost me about $200, 16 MB $400. What is the >'marginal' performance gain exactly??? The difference between 8 and 24 is huge, I have 20 in my 755cs, and it runs win95 great. I recall a PCMag test that showed 16 as the sweet spot, going up to 16 dramatically increased performance, adding more was less dramatic. How's the 560? I'm drooling, that's going to be my next 'pad :) How is it for heat compared to older 'pads? _____________________________________________________________________ Piss! Shit! Cunt! Fuck! Cocksucker! Motherfucker! Tits! This .sig brought to you by the corpse of the CDA. Have a nice day. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 20 15:55:11 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24091; Thu, 20 Jun 96 15:55:11 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA19069; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:54:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:52:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18864; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:52:04 -0400 Received: from indigo.ucdavis.edu (indigo.ucdavis.edu [128.120.7.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA18856; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 15:52:01 -0400 Received: from indigo.ucdavis.edu by indigo.ucdavis.edu via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) id MAA14117; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:51:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:51:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Jenks To: Pat Mason Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 701s available In-Reply-To: <199606201718.KAA11287@eng5.sequent.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 20 Jun 1996, Pat Mason wrote: > So far only 1 person has responded to this mail. c'mon, help us out. > > Pat > > > > > Mark, let's see what shakes out. > > > > I'm thinking of selling my 701C and need a frame of reference for > > price. What's it worth? > > > > IBM Thinkpad Model 701C > > Active matrix color - "butterfly" keyboard > > DX4-75Mhz > > 24MB RAM (8MB + 16MB option) > > 540MB hard drive (stacked) > > PCMCIA Ethernet adapter > > Leather case > > warranty good through 6/12/98 > > > > Currently running: > > Microsoft DOS 6.22 > > Windows For Workgroups 3.11 > > The 701C/540 goes for about $2000 or so, and the memory for about $400. I don't know if the warranty is transferrable, and that could be a problem. If I needed another 701, I would offer $1750 for the machine, or $2000 if I could actually see and use it before buying. My current machine is a 701CS/720 which cost $1590, with a 16MB upgrade costing $429. I feel lucky to have found such a good deal on the machine (at Global Computer Warehouse in May or so). Hope this helps. - Chris From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 20 16:10:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25999; Thu, 20 Jun 96 16:10:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20746; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:09:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:08:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20642; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:08:40 -0400 Received: from relay-2.mail.demon.net (disperse.demon.co.uk [158.152.1.77]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20635; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 16:08:29 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-2.mail.demon.net id ac20652; 20 Jun 96 20:49 +0100 Received: from poppy.demon.co.uk ([158.152.35.157]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa22147; 20 Jun 96 20:23 +0100 From: Peter Goddard To: Geoff Hogan Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: X on a TP 755cx (VGA) Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 02:48:16 GMT Organization: Poppy Films Ltd Message-Id: <31ca043d.1878268@post.demon.co.uk> References: <1.5.4.32.19960617181835.006ddf30@mail.physics.ox.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960617181835.006ddf30@mail.physics.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 On Mon, 17 Jun 1996 19:18:35 +0100, you wrote: >I am a new Linux (Slackware 3.0.0) "user" (still in the setting up stage!) >so please excuse my ignorance. From all those Linux ThinkPad users out >ther, is there anyone that can tell me what I am doing wrong when trying to >get X working under Linux (XFree86 3.1.2 - the version that supports >WD90C24). I have the VGA (640x480) version of the TP 755cx. > (SNIP) > >Anyone give me any help (or a 640x480 TP577cx XF86Config)? > >TIA > >Geoff Hogan >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >Dr G P Hogan >Laser Group, Clarendon Laboratory, Tel: +44 1865 272205 >Parks Road, Oxford, OX1 3PU Fax: +44 1865 272400 >UK Email: g.hogan@physics.ox.ac.uk >------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Geoff, I had exactly the same problem when I installed Linux. I have solved it and I can get X working, although I'm sure my setup is far from optimised, like you I am new to linux. If you type startx then read the output as X starts (or doesn't as in your case) you'll notice statements something like Vert refresh 71Mhz need 68.7Mhtz If you then add the new value (68.7 in above example) to your XF86Config file and do this for all the wrong values X moans about your final XF86Config file should then start X up. It did with me anyway. I've got a Tpad 755CE and I think the video hardware is much the same. For your information the relevant values from my XF86Config file follow, but maybe you should ascertain values from the X output first and use my values if that fails. Good Luck Pete 1/. Try this bandwidth in "Monitor" setting: Bandwidth 25.2 2/.Try this as horizontal sync setting in "Monitor" setting: HorizSync 35.40 # typical for a single frequency fixed-sync monitor 3/.and this in the same section: VertRefresh 67.43 # typical for a single frequency fixed-sync monitor 4/. and this # ModeLine "640x480" 25.175 640 664 760 800 480 491 493 525 Mode "640x480" DotClock 28.32 HTimings 640 664 760 800 VTimings 480 491 493 525 EndMode 5/. Try this in graphics device section: # Any number of graphics device sections may be present Section "Device" Identifier "Generic VGA" VendorName "Unknown" BoardName "Unknown" Chipset "generic" VideoRam 1024 Clocks 25.2 28.3 EndSection 6/. Try this in the "screen" section: # The colour SVGA server Section "Screen" Driver "svga" Device "Generic SVGA" Monitor "Generic Monitor" Subsection "Display" Depth 8 Modes "640x480" ViewPort 0 0 Virtual 800 600 EndSubsection EndSection From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 20 17:33:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00407; Thu, 20 Jun 96 17:33:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01022; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:33:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:30:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00590; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:30:09 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA00574; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:30:02 -0400 Received: from ppp-mia-112.shadow.net (ppp-mia-112.shadow.net [204.177.71.112]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA25866 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:34:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606202134.RAA25866@anshar.shadow.net> X-Authentication-Warning: anshar.shadow.net: Host ppp-mia-112.shadow.net [204.177.71.112] didn't use HELO protocol X-Sender: chappe@shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: D Chappe Subject: FS: 2-4MB PCMCIA Cards For Sale: 2 Viking Platinum Card PCMCIA 4MB Cards Part number I5689 84G5689. Both work perfectly. For sale @ $75 each or both for $130. These work in the following model IBM Thinkpads: 730T 750 755's 360 355. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 20 17:36:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00432; Thu, 20 Jun 96 17:36:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01484; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:36:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:33:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01062; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:33:56 -0400 Received: from is.nyu.edu (root@IS.NYU.EDU [128.122.250.19]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA01054; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:33:52 -0400 Received: from DIAL2-3-ASYNC-01.DIAL.NET.NYU.EDU by is.nyu.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/23Sep94-1121PM) id AA28885; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:33:46 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960620213317.00685fbc@is.nyu.edu> X-Sender: mdk1143@is.nyu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:33:17 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Klenner Subject: Re: Optimal memory size for ThinkPad 560 At 01:09 PM 6/20/96 EDT, you wrote: >"...I thought 16 MB would be sufficient, but now I'm thinking maybe 24 MB. >8MB upgrade is going to cost me about $200, 16 MB $400. What is the >'marginal' performance gain exactly??? I recently picked up a 16 Meg DRAM card for my 755cx at a cost of $235.00 used. It's a PNY Electronics unit, and carries a lifetime warranty. If you look around you may be able to find a similar deal since IBM seems finally to be supporting NT for ThinkPads and DSP, so folks are selling off 16 Meg cards in favor or 24 or 32 Meg units. My CX now has a total of 24 Megs, up from 12. (With 12 megs, the P-75 CX system ran slower than my did my old 486-50 based 360ce with 20 Megs, which my brother now owns.) The performance difference is definately significant. I advise that it is best to buy the most RAM you can possibly afford, so that if you need the RAM later, you won't have to sell off a relatively small card to make room for a larger one. By the way... if anyone wants an old Kingston 4 Meg card, I'll let it go *really* cheap. (Perhaps someone is interested in gutting one of these to make a larger card themselves.) By the same token, I may be interested in trying this, so if you have a 4 Meg card you don't want, let me know. -Mike --- Michael Klenner East: klennerm@is.nyu.edu New York University West: mklenner@pacificnet.net Tisch School of the Arts http://pages.nyu.edu/~mdk1143 Institute of Film & Television talk: michael@24frames.com --- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 20 17:50:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04076; Thu, 20 Jun 96 17:50:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA03571; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:49:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:42:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02836; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:42:50 -0400 Received: from mach1.gs.com (mach1.gs.com [192.246.9.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA02808; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:42:42 -0400 From: Received: from gs.com (postoffice1.gs.com [138.8.220.10]) by mach1.gs.com (8.7.1/8.7.1/mach1) with SMTP id RAA05840; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 17:42:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smgd0.fi.gs.com by gs.com (4.1/GOLDMAN-1.0) id AA19079; Thu, 20 Jun 96 17:43:30 EDT Received: from dumbo.fi.gs.com by smgd0.fi.gs.com (4.1/SMI-4.2 (FI mail hub V3.1)) id AA27247; Thu, 20 Jun 96 17:42:03 EDT Received: by dumbo.fi.gs.com (4.1/FIclient-2.8) id AA16572; Thu, 20 Jun 96 17:42:03 EDT Date: Thu, 20 Jun 96 17:42:03 EDT Message-Id: <9606201742.ZM16570@dumbo.fi.gs.com> In-Reply-To: jesse montrose "Re: Optimal memory size for ThinkPad 560" (Jun 20, 10:34am) References: <2.2.32.19960620173421.0070da04@mailhost.hooked.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 15feb95) To: jesse montrose , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Optimal memory size for ThinkPad 560 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Jun 20, 10:34am, jesse montrose wrote: > Subject: Re: Optimal memory size for ThinkPad 560 > At 11:24 AM 6/20/96 -0400, Jim Ahn wrote: > >I just got my new ThinkPad 560 (P120, 12.1 TFT) by FedEx yesterday. > >Great machine. Problem is, it came with the standard 8 MB of memory. > >I've never used a Win 95 machine with only 8 MB of memory before. It > >runs slower than a Dell P90 with 16 MB of memory at the office! It > >swaps like crazy and switching apps is slooow. > > > >I thought 16 MB would be sufficient, but now I'm thinking maybe 24 MB. > >8MB upgrade is going to cost me about $200, 16 MB $400. What is the > >'marginal' performance gain exactly??? > > The difference between 8 and 24 is huge, I have 20 in my 755cs, and it runs > win95 great. I recall a PCMag test that showed 16 as the sweet spot, going > up to 16 dramatically increased performance, adding more was less dramatic. Thank for your input. I got lots of votes for the 24 MB upgrade. This thing is a 1.2 inch money pit. :) > > How's the 560? I'm drooling, that's going to be my next 'pad :) Overall, a detailed design, solidly built. I'm glad I chose the IBM ThinkPad. Two minor complaints. The 810 MB disk is a tad bit noisy. The 12.1 TFT display has a single pixel on the top right-hand corner stuck on white, about 1/4 inch from the top border. My dealer will swap, but I'm afraid the the new one might have three or four bad pixels. :( Otherwise, I can only say good things about it. The TFT display to my surprise is capable of displaying 64k colors in SVGA resolution. The keyboard has a great feel. Those who prefer firm keyboards might find it little too soft. The tiny detachable floppy drive and AC adapter are a gem. The floppy drive can be plugged/detached even after bootup. No need to reboot. It's great. > > How is it for heat compared to older 'pads? Don't know. I left it atop a glass dining table at home. I hope it didn't crack glass. :) Jim > _____________________________________________________________________ > Piss! Shit! Cunt! Fuck! Cocksucker! Motherfucker! Tits! > This .sig brought to you by the corpse of the CDA. Have a nice day. > >-- End of excerpt from jesse montrose From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 20 23:08:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12895; Thu, 20 Jun 96 23:08:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA27365; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:07:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:03:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26896; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:03:27 -0400 Received: from enteract.com (root@enteract.com [206.54.252.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA26890; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 23:03:24 -0400 Received: from dialin_6_11.enteract.com (dialin_6_11.enteract.com [206.54.253.58]) by enteract.com (8.7.5/8.7.6) with SMTP id WAA09994 for ; Thu, 20 Jun 1996 22:03:20 -0500 (CDT) From: epbrown@enteract.com (epbrown) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760 Total Image Video Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 03:08:22 GMT Message-Id: <31ca0ffd.494050@smtp.enteract.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 Hi all, As some of you may know, I have a website called Laptop Central. Sometimes the folks who visit email me with questions about various systems, and this has happened now. I recieved an email from someone who wanted to buy the 755CDV, since he teaches seminars using an overhead projector (some of you may not know, the CDV had a screen you could remove and lay flat on a projector). This model has been discontinued, and IBM recommended gettinga 760ED, saying it has Total Image Video. To me, this sounds like IBM is touting full-screen video playback, which, while nice, won't help this guy run a Powerpoint session on an overhead projector. Could someone with a 760 email me about this feature and any thoughts on how to run a presentation on a 760? Does IBM even offer a removable-screen laptop anymore? I have to ask for email since I recently changed ISPs. While I sent a message to owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu mentioning I've chenged my email address, and sent a subscribe message, I'm still not getting anything. I hope someone can help, Thanks in advance epbrown epbrown@enteract.com Laptop Central http://www.enteract.com/~epbrown From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 21 00:36:10 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14861; Fri, 21 Jun 96 00:36:10 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04313; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 00:35:42 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 21 Jun 1996 00:33:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04096; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 00:33:20 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA04090; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 00:33:18 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) for id AAA05206; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 00:34:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 00:34:22 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: TP701, Linux, and X in 16bpp Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd appreciate some input from X configuration gurus, so please read this even if you don't have a TP701. Based on a mail from Bjoern Stabell reporting partial success with the pre-beta enhanced CT65545 X server, I grabbed the latest version from ftp://ftp.biol.tsukuba.ac.jp/pub/X/XFree86/alpha/CT65545plus/. Unlike the 960520 version which corrupted my video without fail, both the 960606 and 960620 versions work, sort of. Bjoern reports it comes up on his LCD but displaced 20-30 pixels up. I tried it and it doesn't come up, but neither does it corrupt my video. Furthermore, if I switch away to a text shell (ctrl-alt-F1) and switch back, for a brief instant I can see my X desktop before it goes black. The same thing happens when I run the server in 16bpp mode. Does anyone know if these symptoms indicate something obvious we're doing wrong? I mailed Bjoern asking for his XF86Config file, but it's been over a week and he hasn't answered so I assume he's on vacation or something. I have been using the same XF86Config file I use with the generic SVGA XF86 3.1.2 server (with the same clock). I'd really like to run X in 16bpp and ditch Win95. For those of you running FreeBSD or Linux on your 701, the pre-beta CT65545 drivers offer 16bpp and 24bpp support, hardware acceleration, hardware mouse, and programmable clocks. -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 21 03:04:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19086; Fri, 21 Jun 96 03:04:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA13393; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 03:04:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 21 Jun 1996 03:00:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12996; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 03:00:56 -0400 Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12989; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 03:00:51 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id an02550; 21 Jun 96 7:00 GMT Received: from poppy.demon.co.uk ([158.152.35.157]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa08923; 20 Jun 96 12:15 +0100 From: Peter Goddard To: Christian N Michalek Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Original files for 701c Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 18:39:30 GMT Organization: Poppy Films Ltd Message-Id: <31c99a54.1683459@post.demon.co.uk> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99d/32.182 On Sat, 15 Jun 1996 12:47:30 -0500 (CDT), you wrote: >I recently bought a 701c at a computer outlet store. It was sold as is >with floppy drive, battery, ac adapter. However the harddisk had been >erased. So I loaded win95 with the disks that came with my desktop machine. > >The thinkpad is running well except I don't have the original files the >computer probably came with. What am I missing, where can I get them and >the manuals for the 701? Will IBM sell this direct? Do I even need them? > >I think I got a really good deal at 1249.99 >16meg ram >720 hard drive >75 mhz > >Thanks > > Checkout http://www.ibm.com/thinkpad/ or lookin at the Thinkpad forum on Compuserve, I know they have a lot of Tpad utilities available to d/load From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 21 03:14:21 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19370; Fri, 21 Jun 96 03:14:21 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14413; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 03:13:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 21 Jun 1996 03:12:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14207; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 03:12:20 -0400 Received: from desiree.teleport.com (desiree.teleport.com [192.108.254.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA14200; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 03:12:18 -0400 Received: from van-wa1-21.ix.netcom.com (van-wa1-21.ix.netcom.com [205.184.177.53]) by desiree.teleport.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id AAA11379; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 00:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606210712.AAA11379@desiree.teleport.com> From: "Rob Saker" To: "thinkpad" , "Will Dunn/Leopard Communications" Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 00:13:10 -0800 Reply-To: "Rob Saker" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Robert Saker's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS/2 Merlin On Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:15:03 -0600 (MDT), Will Dunn/Leopard Communications wrote: >Anyone else participating in the OS/2 Merlin beta program??? ELSE ??? as in .... you've got it already?? /* Rob Saker - resaker@teleport.com */ /* Warped at home; Connected at work */ /* Win95?? I already have a Nintendo */ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 21 06:50:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24089; Fri, 21 Jun 96 06:50:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08441; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 06:49:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 21 Jun 1996 06:45:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08082; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 06:45:43 -0400 Received: from portal.visa.com (portal.visa.com [198.80.42.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA08064; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 06:45:38 -0400 Received: by portal.visa.com id AA08984 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu); Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:45:28 GMT Received: by portal.visa.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1); Fri, 21 Jun 1996 10:45:28 GMT Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 06:45:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Rob Huber To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: OS/2 Merlin In-Reply-To: <199606210712.AAA11379@desiree.teleport.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I hate to flaunt my ignorance but what is the OS/2 Merlin program? Thanks! On Fri, 21 Jun 1996, Rob Saker wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jun 1996 12:15:03 -0600 (MDT), Will Dunn/Leopard Communications wrote: > > >Anyone else participating in the OS/2 Merlin beta program??? > > ELSE ??? as in .... you've got it already?? > > /* Rob Saker - resaker@teleport.com */ > /* Warped at home; Connected at work */ > /* Win95?? I already have a Nintendo */ > > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 21 09:55:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26654; Fri, 21 Jun 96 09:55:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA27197; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:54:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:50:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26668; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:50:18 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA26659; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 09:50:13 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id NAA45350 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 13:50:09 GMT Message-Id: <199606211350.NAA45350@smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net> Received: from slip139-92-52-74.vi.at.ibm.net(139.92.52.74) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smajvgKSM; Fri Jun 21 13:49:55 1996 From: "Siegfried Hanisch" To: "ThinkPad mailing list" Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 15:47:13 +0100 Reply-To: "Siegfried Hanisch" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Siegfried Hanisch's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: OS/2 Merlin >Anyone else participating in the OS/2 Merlin beta program??? Yes, but I did not receive my CD-ROM yet. Greetings # Quick to judge Siegfried Hanisch # Quick to anger =====================================# Slow to understand siegfried.hanisch@ibm.net # Ignorance and prejudice ssaver@ibm.net (ScreenSaver support) # And fear =====================================# Walk hand in hand http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e8925811/ # Rush - "Witch Hunt" PGP public key available # Team OS/2 # Support the Blue Ribbon Campaign for Online Free Speech! http://www.eff.org/blueribbon.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 21 12:42:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04155; Fri, 21 Jun 96 12:42:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14736; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 12:38:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 21 Jun 1996 12:33:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14262; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 12:33:23 -0400 Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA14254; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 12:33:20 -0400 Received: from chain.execpc.com (chain.execpc.com [169.207.8.66]) by mail.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id LAA24140 for ; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 11:33:09 -0500 (CDT) From: emjay@execpc.com (Tom Kustner) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Is there an equal for the 760ED? Date: Fri, 21 Jun 1996 16:33:16 GMT Organization: Emjay Corporation Message-Id: <31cac9e9.8236058@mailgate.execpc.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 I am here to confirm the bad news someone else reported: our distributor just pushed delivery of the 760ED back 4 weeks (3rd week of July to us). :( As far as video presentation, is there any other brand that would compare to a 760CD/ED? I picked this out for our marketing people and I still like it, but they've been waiting for months. I read the reviews of the Toshiba 720CDT in both PC Magazine and PC Week and did not come away with a full stomach. Is there anyone who has 760CDs for sale? Is there a good alternate to the 760ED? Thanks for any help and pass the Alka-Seltzer. Tom Kustner ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: emjay@execpc.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 21 18:11:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16951; Fri, 21 Jun 96 18:11:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA17170; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 18:09:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:59:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16195; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:59:35 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA16175; Fri, 21 Jun 1996 17:59:27 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA16107; Fri, 21 Jun 96 17:56:44 EDT Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 17:56:44 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606212156.AA16107@nile.gnat.com> To: emjay@execpc.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Is there an equal for the 760ED? "I read the reviews of the Toshiba 720CDT in both PC Magazine and PC Week and did not come away with a full stomach." I have looked at the 720CDT and it looks very good to me, I will let people know more when I get mine, supposedly early next week. Remember that one of the reasons that PC Week did not like it was that text and icons are too small. Well I suppose there may be brain-dead systems where this is a problem (i.e. sizes cannot be adjusted), but I don't use any, so this is not a problem and on the contrary the extra resolution will be most welcome (finally two pages side by side!) Also people did not like the weight, but I always carry several extra batteries anyway, so this is not a factor. I also like the keyboard much better than the thinkpad 760 CD (the old thinkpad keyboards were much nicer, the new tilt up ones seem poor to me, but this is a very personal thing, you have to test it yourself). Basically, when it comes to portables, I would always trust your OWN feeling rather than that of a review, try them out and see what you think. It is true that the disk performance is slightly better on the 760ED, which is a factor with OS/2 with its small disk cache. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 22 00:53:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25359; Sat, 22 Jun 96 00:53:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA15120; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 00:53:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 22 Jun 1996 00:49:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14803; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 00:49:12 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (CNRI.Reston.VA.US [132.151.1.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA14797; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 00:49:10 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa01456; 22 Jun 96 0:42 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (Bouncing Bass Player Edition)) id AAA10502; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 00:42:28 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 00:42:28 -0400 From: Ken Manheimer Message-Id: <199606220442.AAA10502@glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US> To: ThinkPad Mailing List , linux-laptop@vger.rutgers.edu, Redhat Technical Support Subject: Odd problem running Linux 2.0.0 kernel - keyboard freezes Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US X-Mailer: VM 5.95 (beta) / 19.13 XEmacs Lucid Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives I've been struggling for a few days with getting the new Linux 2.0.0 kernel running on my Thinkpad 701CS, and i'm wondering whether anyone can shed some light on the problem i'm hitting. I recently upgraded an old-ish slackware installation with Redhat 3.0.3 and the 1.2.13 kernel. The install went very smoothly, and i had gotten most of my customary environment working (PCMCIA ethernet card, etc), except that i was unable to successfully incorporate the advance power management mechanism (Stephen Rothwell's apm_bios 0.5) which i had been using in the previous installation. Then the 2.0.0 kernel comes out, with the APM already integrated, much more module support, more console fonts, etc. Very appealing, since i was already finagling with a new installation, to just go with the latest and greatest. Unfortunately, not so easy. I've installed the required redhat RPMs for the 2.0 upgrade, and tried both the contributed pre-compiled kernel (and modules), as well as building my own, and i'm consistently getting the same problem - i can boot the 2.0.0 kernel, very nicely, and log in, type for a few seconds to a minute, but inevitably the system stops responding to the keyboard. The OS and display continues - if i'm running 'top', the screen updates continue, and a shutdown that i start before the keyboard locks proceeds fine, but no keystrokes are recognized. What's odd is that, once the keyboard is locked out, *no* keystrokes are recognized - not only are regular keystrokes ignored, as is ctrl-alt-delete, but the special Thinkpad BIOS keystrokes - configuration (Fn-F1), screen toggle Fn-F3, volume Fn-PgUp Fn-PgDn - also have no effect! I've recompiled the kernel tens of times during the past several days, and tried the most minimal kernel and daemon contingent i could manage, the most "vanilla" arrangment i could imagine, booting to run level 1 instead of 2 or 3, etc, and nothing seems to make the slightest bit of difference. (The biggest change i got was when i found and installed the redhat K2.0 package upgrades - that extended the time before the keyboard freeze from a few seconds/keystrokes to typically anywhere from a half-minute or minute.) I have a sneaking suspicion that the Thinkpad BIOS revision i'm running has some complicity in the problem - i've heard bad things about this latest rev (rev O - BUTUS3o, more specifically), which was installed on my thinkpad when it was recently in for easyserve repair. Anyway, i've had no such problems running the 1.2.13 kernel i had just installed (though i'm unable to fold in APM). I'd like to do the upgrade, and am wondering what i can do to unravel this problem. Any suggestions?? Additionally, does anyone have the older 701 BIOS images available? I checked the IBM repository, and they seem to only offer the most recent one, which was installed "for" me. Thanks for any help! Ken Manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives 1895 Preston White Drive, Suite 100 Reston, VA 22091 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 22 12:05:48 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05704; Sat, 22 Jun 96 12:05:48 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA05620; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 12:05:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 22 Jun 1996 12:00:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04661; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 12:00:06 -0400 Received: from tec.oz.cc.utah.edu (root@tec.oz.cc.utah.edu [155.99.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA04642; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 12:00:02 -0400 Received: from gos.oz.cc.utah.edu (root@gos-oz [155.99.2.3]) by tec.oz.cc.utah.edu (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id JAA29350 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 09:59:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ctsasync42.cc.utah.edu (ctsasync42.cc.utah.edu [155.99.156.42]) by gos.oz.cc.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id JAA12360 for ; Sat, 22 Jun 1996 09:59:52 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199606221559.JAA12360@gos.oz.cc.utah.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Joseph Pereira" Organization: University of Utah To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 22 Jun 1996 10:00:23 -0600 Subject: 750c MAILING LIST Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.31) Could you please add me to the 750c mailing list?? Thanks, Joseph Pereira G.Oertli@m.cc.utah.edu "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare, Act IV, Scene II, Henry VI From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 23 06:26:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06773; Sun, 23 Jun 96 06:26:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18716; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 06:25:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 23 Jun 1996 06:15:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18103; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 06:15:11 -0400 Received: from peg.apc.org (peg.apc.org [192.131.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id GAA18089; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 06:15:08 -0400 Received: (from dwheinrich@localhost) by peg.apc.org (8.6.9/Revision: 1.13 ) id UAA00857 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 20:15:56 +1000 From: David Heinrich Subject: win95 and diskette drives X-Mailer: Messenger v1.23a (c) Pegasus Networks 1994 Message-Id: <520025551@dwheinrich.acslink.net.au> Path: dwheinrich Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 19:34 CST To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu I have upgraded 2 TPs with win95. The results have been very good. BUT ... If the diskette drives are used too many times in a command prompt session within the GUI environment, the PC freezes and won't respond. No problem if the GUI ins't running, and no problem on other PCs with win95. Mine is a TP750Ce upgraded from MSDOS6.22 to win95 and the Plus pack and the service pack. BIOS is 89G5076 7/7/94. Does anyone have the same problem? Even better, a fix? ____________________________________________ David Heinrich Adelaide dwheinrich@acslink.net.au Australia From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 23 16:02:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13117; Sun, 23 Jun 96 16:02:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA20612; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 16:02:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 23 Jun 1996 15:57:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20201; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 15:57:11 -0400 Received: from gemini.adnc.com (gemini.adnc.com [205.216.138.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id PAA20195; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 15:57:08 -0400 Received: from adnline234132.adnc.com by gemini.adnc.com (SMI-8.6/SVR4 Mailer ADN 1/96) id MAA21303; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 12:57:58 -0700 Received: by adnline234132.adnc.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB6103.61123540@adnline234132.adnc.com>; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 12:56:22 -0700 Message-Id: <01BB6103.61123540@adnline234132.adnc.com> From: Joshua Gerber To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: NT/760E Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 12:53:44 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TPers: After installing NT Ws 3.51 on my 760E, I have a display anomaly = (flickering/ghosting) when the computer boots to NTLDR (OS Loader). It = goes away as soon as I pick an OS. Anyone have a similar problem? Thanks....~j From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 23 23:52:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19677; Sun, 23 Jun 96 23:52:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA21305; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 23:51:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 23 Jun 1996 23:46:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20832; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 23:46:46 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA20823; Sun, 23 Jun 1996 23:46:43 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uY2ZB-001B2qC; Sun, 23 Jun 96 21:43 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960624034646.00966bfc@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 21:46:46 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: 760 quandry Given the difficulty I'm having finding a 760ED, I find myself in a quandry: 1) Continue searching 2) Try to find a 560 instead 3) Wait for the XD and pray that whats-his-name will solve the mfr problems Any comments from the peanut gallery? ssh-- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 00:33:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20510; Mon, 24 Jun 96 00:33:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24605; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:32:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:30:41 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24330; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:30:37 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA24311; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 00:30:32 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA13791; Mon, 24 Jun 96 00:27:55 EDT Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 00:27:55 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606240427.AA13791@nile.gnat.com> To: ssh@wwsi.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760 quandry what is the XD? and what mfr problems are you talking about From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 04:58:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23882; Mon, 24 Jun 96 04:58:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA12083; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 04:58:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 04:54:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11711; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 04:54:54 -0400 Received: from gol1.gol.com (root@gol1.gol.com [202.243.48.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id EAA11696; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 04:54:46 -0400 Received: from stanford-m.-lin (tky4-141.gol.com [202.243.51.141]) by gol1.gol.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA29468 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:54:28 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960624085601.00663a88@popmail.gol.com> X-Sender: slin@popmail.gol.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:56:01 +0900 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Stanford M. Lin" Subject: Re: 760 quandry If you don't mind the modifications made to the machine for the Japanese market, I might suggest that you look for the 760ED and 560 in Japan. I have seen the 560 in a large number of stores here, and although I have not looked specifically, I believe that 760ED is also available at several stores here. I am not sure of the reason for it (perhaps it is because Japan is a more competitive market for state-of-the-art desktops and notebooks), but it does appear that stores in Japan have a lot of the new IBM products in stock before they appear on the shelves in the U.S. In addition, you can find some IBM products here that don't exist in the U.S.--the best example I can think of is the IBM 4x PCMCIA CD-Rom Drive, which IBM released in the U.S. on June 23rd (according to the IBM press release on the internet). This Portable CD-Rom Drive was available for sale in Japan as early as April of this year! Stanford M. Lin slin@gol.com At 09:46 PM 6/23/96 -0600, you wrote: >Given the difficulty I'm having finding a 760ED, I find myself in a quandry: > >1) Continue searching >2) Try to find a 560 instead >3) Wait for the XD and pray that whats-his-name will solve the mfr problems > >Any comments from the peanut gallery? > >ssh-- > Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 07:27:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25809; Mon, 24 Jun 96 07:27:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26619; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:26:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:17:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26011; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:17:29 -0400 Received: from mail.Germany.EU.net (mail.germany.eu.net [192.76.144.65]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA26003; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:17:21 -0400 Received: by mail.Germany.EU.net with ESMTP (5.59:21/EUnetD-2.5.4.c) via EUnet id NAA12209; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:17:17 +0200 Received: by yoshiwara.Germany.EU.net (5.59:8/EUnetDlan-1.24-1.2.10) via EUnet id NAA23780; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:17:20 +0200 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Cc: Michael.Huehne@Germany.EU.net Subject: Re: subscription request References: <199606240253.WAA16547@CS.UTK.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Reply-To: Michael Huehne From: Michael Huehne Date: 24 Jun 1996 13:17:18 +0200 In-Reply-To: thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu's message of Sun, 23 Jun 1996 22:53:43 -0400 Message-Id: Lines: 91 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.2.15/Emacs 19.31 >>>>> "tp-req" == thinkpad-request writes: >>>> IMPORTANT <<< tp-req> To send something to the list, mail it to THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU tp-req> To subscribe to the list, unsubscribe from the list, or to tp-req> change your address, send mail to THINKPAD-REQUEST@CS.UTK.EDU. tp-req> (If you sent your subscribe message to the whole list, that's tp-req> okay, but please use the -REQUEST address next time!) tp-req> Please introduce yourself! Tell us what kind of machine you tp-req> have, how it's configured (how much memory/disk, what tp-req> accessories, etc.), and what operating system(s) you are tp-req> using. (send this to the LIST address -- don't just reply to tp-req> this message!) Hi there, I am owner of an IBM Thinkpad 755 c with the following equipment: HARWDWARE: Thinkpad 755C 340 MB HD 1,44 MB FD 10 " 640x480x256 TFT Display 20 MB RAM IBM Dock 1 SOFTWARE: Slackware 3.0 AccelratedX 1.3 from Xinside (works out of the box) PCMCIA: 3C589B 3com etherlink 3 Worldport dual standard USR modem Nokia cellular datacard for mobilphones Adaptec slimscsi AHA1640 since yesterday I am using that system in combination of win95 and Linux Slackware 3.0. I have used a combination of scsinet1 boot and pcmcia root floppies using NFS as installation media. The installation was very simple, but after installing the system I need to put the start of the pcmcia card services in /etc/rc.d/rc.M before the start of the cdrom check. After starting the card services there must be a delay of 5 to 10 seconds. That means that I add a sleep 10 statement after the pcmcia start command. Now the cdrom and the 3c589b works fine for me. The modem ist untested yet. But the default Linux 1.2.13 kernel comes up with some floppy related problems. I am not able to read via tar files form /dev/fd0. But a later version aof the kernel may fix this problem. During the next days I am trying to implement PPP via modem and cellular phone to the laptop. The in house lan connection is fast and stable. Now I am urgently looking for a solution for the following problems: 1.) The floppy did not work anymore (ugly). 2.) A source hack for the sound card. 3.) A source hack for the SCSI controller included in dock 1 I would prefer source hacks for stable kernel version i.e. 1.2.13 or 2.0 if possible. If not, well I should ba able to patch the source tree by hand if I have hot an example patch. Who is able to help me ? -- Freundliche Gr|_e, Best regards, Michael H|hne ==================================== Michael H|hne = ____ = Lt. technische Vertriebsunterst|tzung = / / / ___ ___ _/_ = Email: Michael.Huehne@Germany.EU.net = /---- / / / / /___/ / = EUnet Deutschland GmbH = /____ /___/ / / /___ / = Emil-Figge-Str. 80 === === D-44227 Dortmund Germany === Connecting Europe since 1982 === Tel.: +49/231/972-1071 Fax.: -1122 #include From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 07:46:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26090; Mon, 24 Jun 96 07:46:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA28010; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:45:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:43:59 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27789; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:43:56 -0400 Received: from gatekeeper.pharmacia.se (gatekeeper.pharmacia.se [193.180.21.76]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA27780; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 07:43:51 -0400 Received: from ccsmtp-eu.pnu.com by gatekeeper.pharmacia.se; (5.65v3.2/1.1.8.2/22Jan96/sal) id AA00451; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:43:48 +0200 Received: from ccMail by eu.pnu.com (IMA Internet Exchange 1.04b) id 1ce80530; Mon, 24 Jun 96 13:47:31 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:41:21 +0200 Message-Id: <1ce80530@eu.pnu.com> From: Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com (Mikael Bendtsen) Subject: 3Com Etherlink III PC Cards + Win95 + IBM ThinkPad To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: cc:Mail note part Hi all! Can anyone tell me why the above is an impossible configuration on most IBM ThinkPads (755CE and above)? The device manager indicates a conflict on the Etherlink III PC Card. However, no conflicting addresses or interrupts are listed when I double-click on the adapter. The IBM Ethernet II Credit Card Adapter works fine in these machines, but this is not a good solution for my site since we have a LOT of the 3Com adapters. I don't what to say when my users are asking for Windows95. Please help! Best regards -------------------------------------------- Mikael Bendtsen Responsor NWSM (Pharmacia & Upjohn) Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com - mike@se.ibm.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 08:20:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26528; Mon, 24 Jun 96 08:20:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00731; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:19:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:18:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00609; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:18:21 -0400 Received: from stratech.com (csoc.stratech.com [198.85.70.101]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA00603; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:18:18 -0400 Received: from tortoise.csoc.COM (tortoise.stratech.com) by stratech.com (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA07412; Mon, 24 Jun 96 08:20:11 EDT Received: by tortoise.csoc.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id IAA03261; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:20:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:20:03 -0400 From: seanj@stratech.com (Sean Johnson) Message-Id: <199606241220.IAA03261@tortoise.csoc.COM> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Introducing myself X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII Hi all, I have a 755ce with 16MB of RAM and a 835MB HD. I have been running Warp for about a year now and just installed Win 95. I am debating running Linux in lieu of Warp or 95. HD space limits me from running all 3. I will probably just hang around snooping for Linux info to see how much trouble it will be and if it will be worth the effort. Thanks, Sean -- ___________ ___________ _________ / _________/ /____ ____/ /___ ___/ Sean Johnson / /________ / / / / PIM Integration Specialist /________ / / / / / (864)299-2851 ________/ / / / ___/ /___ e-mail: seanj@stratech.com /_________/ TRATEGIC /_/ ECHNOLOGIES /________/NC. ***>> Experts in the Application of Technology. <<*** From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 08:23:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26541; Mon, 24 Jun 96 08:23:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01349; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:23:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:21:16 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01083; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:21:13 -0400 Received: from anshar.shadow.net (anshar.shadow.net [204.177.71.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA01063; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:21:09 -0400 Received: from ppp-mia-17.shadow.net (ppp-mia-17.shadow.net [204.177.71.17]) by anshar.shadow.net (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id IAA01733 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606241225.IAA01733@anshar.shadow.net> X-Authentication-Warning: anshar.shadow.net: Host ppp-mia-17.shadow.net [204.177.71.17] didn't use HELO protocol X-Sender: chappe@shadow.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: D Chappe Subject: Home & Away PCMCIA Cards-Reliability? Has anyone else experienced a lot of premature failures in these combo (Ethernet/14.4) cards. We've seen too many to be a coincidence using 760's and 755's. Thanks in advance. Don. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 09:17:43 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27607; Mon, 24 Jun 96 09:17:43 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06378; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:11:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:09:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06128; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:09:42 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (ts700-702.singnet.com.sg [165.21.110.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id JAA06108; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:09:27 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (uucp@localhost) by lugs.org.sg (8.7.1/8.7.3) with UUCP id VAA16360 for cs.utk.edu!thinkpad; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 21:03:10 +0800 Received: from dupre by lugs.org.sg with uucp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0uYB5h-0002AjC; Mon, 24 Jun 96 20:50 SST Received: by dupre.lugs.org.sg (UUPC/extended 1.12r); Sun, 23 Jun 1996 20:42:43 -0800 Message-Id: <31ce1cc3.dupre@dupre.lugs.org.sg> From: Elvin Tan To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 23 Jun 1996 20:42:43 GMT+8 Subject: Linux Sound on IBM Thinkpad Reply-To: elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Hi ! > Now I am urgently looking for a solution for the following problems: > 2.) A source hack for the sound card. > I would prefer source hacks for stable kernel version i.e. 1.2.13 or 2.0 if > possible. If not, well I should ba able to patch the source tree by hand if > I have hot an example patch. > Who is able to help me ? I have a IBM Thinkpad 701C. It has a ES688 soundchip. I'm using Linux kernal 1.2.13. Apparently, the sound chip is not 100% HARDWARE comptaible to sound blaster. The new Voxware sound drivers requires kernals > 1.3.70. The problem is that upgrading the kernal is TOUGH ! I heard compiling the kernal to use Sound Blaster (non pro) works, not tried yet. Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 10:19:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28398; Mon, 24 Jun 96 10:19:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14464; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:18:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:14:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13571; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:14:11 -0400 Received: from aars.mit.edu (AARS.MIT.EDU [18.79.0.30]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA13545; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:14:04 -0400 Received: from pinky (minihelix [18.79.0.116]) by aars.mit.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) via SMTP id KAA05495 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:16:51 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960624141209.006afb54@192.168.0.1> X-Sender: art@192.168.0.1 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:12:09 -0400 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Arturo J. Morales" Subject: Re: Linux Sound on IBM Thinkpad Speaking of sound under Linux... This has been asked many times, but with no success. I know that someone in Japan had linux working w/ sound on the old (sigh) 750 series. We were told that he was working on licensing agreements with IBM in order to release the code. This was over two years ago. Am I the only one that can't afford a new thinkpad and would still love to hear it squeak a little? Is there any new info on this? Thanks! Art ========================================================================== Arturo J. Morales | MIT, Department of Biology, 68-252 art@aars.mit.edu | Cambridge, MA 02139 ====================http://minihelix.mit.edu/art========================== From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 10:21:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28466; Mon, 24 Jun 96 10:21:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14767; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:20:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:17:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14330; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:17:55 -0400 Received: from pc-ag038815.den.mmc.com (pc-ag038815.den.mmc.com [160.205.36.48]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA14323; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 10:17:52 -0400 Received: from dialip-213.den.mmc.com by pc-ag038815.den.mmc.com (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA01904; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 02:18:01 -0600 Received: by dialip-213.den.mmc.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB61A5.697209C0@dialip-213.den.mmc.com>; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:16:14 -0600 Message-Id: <01BB61A5.697209C0@dialip-213.den.mmc.com> From: Paul Kapaun To: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: 755c display resolution & win95 Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 08:11:54 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Are there any drivers available that will allow 800x600 resolution on a 755c with the active matrix display? If so where can I get them. thanx From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 11:47:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00279; Mon, 24 Jun 96 11:47:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24366; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:41:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:38:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23921; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:38:57 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23915; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:38:54 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uYDf3-001B8WC; Mon, 24 Jun 96 09:34 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960624153734.00999f4c@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:37:34 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: 760 quandry At 12:27 AM 6/24/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >what is the XD? and what mfr problems are you talking about The XD is the next generation (due third quarter). All I know is that it's an ED with a 150MHz Pentium. I assume they'll go to 6x CD-ROM. I don't know about the display. Mfr problems are IBM's inability to delivery quantity. They have given someone (I can't remember his name!) the job of figuring out how to fix it and get the machines into customers' hands. They expect that to kick in sometime in late third quarter. Or, perhaps, by the end of the year. ssh-- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 11:47:56 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00284; Mon, 24 Jun 96 11:47:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24374; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:41:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:39:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23947; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:39:03 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23934; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:39:00 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uYDf9-001B8kC; Mon, 24 Jun 96 09:34 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960624153740.00982058@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:37:40 -0600 To: Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com (Mikael Bendtsen), THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink III PC Cards + Win95 + IBM ThinkPad At 01:41 PM 6/24/96 +0200, Mikael Bendtsen wrote: > Can anyone tell me why the above is an impossible configuration on > most IBM ThinkPads (755CE and above)? The device manager indicates a > conflict on the Etherlink III PC Card. However, no conflicting > addresses or interrupts are listed when I double-click on the adapter. I have no problems with this combination on my 755CX. Do you have any question marks in the device manager? If so, delete them, insert the Etherlink, and be ready to load the drivers. The likely culprit is the Mwave (do you have the latest Win95 Mwave drivers installed?). > The IBM Ethernet II Credit Card Adapter works fine in these machines, > but this is not a good solution for my site since we have a LOT of the > 3Com adapters. I don't what to say when my users are asking for > Windows95. Please help! E-mail me directly if you're continuing to have problems. ssh-- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 11:48:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00289; Mon, 24 Jun 96 11:48:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA24490; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:41:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:38:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23859; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:38:15 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA23851; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:38:12 -0400 Received: from lee.market1.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uYDfe-001B8sC; Mon, 24 Jun 96 09:35 MDT Message-Id: Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 09:35 MDT X-Sender: lee@rmii.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.4 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com, THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: lee@rmii.com (Lee Stewart) Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink III PC Cards + Win95 + IBM ThinkPad > Can anyone tell me why the above is an impossible configuration on > most IBM ThinkPads (755CE and above)? The device manager indicates a > conflict on the Etherlink III PC Card. However, no conflicting > addresses or interrupts are listed when I double-click on the adapter. I run a 755C with a 3Com Etherlink III card and W'95. My only complaint is that when I try and suspend with the 3Com card in, it may take several minutes (up to 5!) before the machine enters suspend state. Remove the 3Com card and it suspends right away. I did have to get the latest drivers from the 3Com web site... Lee Stewart From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 11:52:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00349; Mon, 24 Jun 96 11:52:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26023; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:50:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:48:19 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25566; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:48:17 -0400 Received: from earth.usa.net (root@earth.usa.net [192.156.196.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA25541; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:48:13 -0400 Received: (from wdunn@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id JAA03715; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:34:21 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:34:20 -0600 (MDT) From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications X-Sender: wdunn@earth To: Paul Kapaun Cc: "'thinkpad@cs.utk.edu'" Subject: Re: 755c display resolution & win95 In-Reply-To: <01BB61A5.697209C0@dialip-213.den.mmc.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Paul Kapaun wrote: > Are there any drivers available that will allow 800x600 resolution on a 755c with the active matrix display? If so where can I get them. > > thanx > > No. --wwd Will Dunn Leoaprd Communications Boulder, CO From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 11:54:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00383; Mon, 24 Jun 96 11:54:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26502; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:54:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:52:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26109; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:52:14 -0400 Received: from earth.usa.net (root@earth.usa.net [192.156.196.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26086; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:52:08 -0400 Received: (from wdunn@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id JAA03448; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:31:51 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 09:31:50 -0600 (MDT) From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications X-Sender: wdunn@earth To: Mikael Bendtsen Cc: thinkpad Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink III PC Cards + Win95 + IBM ThinkPad In-Reply-To: <1ce80530@eu.pnu.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Mikael Bendtsen wrote: > Hi all! > > Can anyone tell me why the above is an impossible configuration on > most IBM ThinkPads (755CE and above)? The device manager indicates a > conflict on the Etherlink III PC Card. However, no conflicting > addresses or interrupts are listed when I double-click on the adapter. > > The IBM Ethernet II Credit Card Adapter works fine in these machines, > but this is not a good solution for my site since we have a LOT of the > 3Com adapters. I don't what to say when my users are asking for > Windows95. Please help! > > Best regards > -------------------------------------------- > Mikael Bendtsen > Responsor NWSM (Pharmacia & Upjohn) > Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com - mike@se.ibm.com > I have never had a problem with 3COM etherlink III cards in WIN95 (or 3.1 or OS/2--which is why this PC Card belongs in the PC Card Hall of Fame). I have run WIN95 on a 755C, CD, CE, and CX with the 3COM card and it has worked fine--so it is possible and usually painless to configure. I beleive that the best interrupt to use is 15, but don't hold me to it. I would remove whatever options you have in place (other PC Card, etc.,) until you discover what is causing the conflict. Good luck. -wwd Will Dunn Leoaprd Communications Boulder, CO From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 11:57:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00626; Mon, 24 Jun 96 11:57:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA27032; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:57:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:55:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26605; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:55:00 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA26596; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 11:54:57 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA07929; Mon, 24 Jun 96 11:52:27 EDT Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 11:52:27 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606241552.AA07929@nile.gnat.com> To: ssh@wwsi.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760 quandry Well the XD sounds like it might be nice if it ever appears, perhaps it is the machine that will lure me back to the Thinkpad fold (I am going to pick up my Tecra 720CDT in a couple of hours) :-) From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 18:55:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17622; Mon, 24 Jun 96 18:55:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09938; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 18:54:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 18:49:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09446; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 18:49:24 -0400 Received: from balder.ssds.com (balder.ssds.com [204.131.72.62]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA09437; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 18:49:20 -0400 Received: (from mail@localhost) by balder.ssds.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.SSDSnet-hub) id QAA21092; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:49:10 -0600 Received: from denver(134.127.16.1) by balder via smap (V1.3) id sma021090; Mon Jun 24 16:49:02 1996 Received: by denver.ssds.com id QAA10321; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 16:49:00 -0600 (MDT) From: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com (Christopher Liljenstolpe) To: Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com (Mikael Bendtsen) Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 3Com Etherlink III PC Cards + Win95 + IBM ThinkPad Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:48:22 GMT Sender: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com Organization: SSDS, Inc. Reply-To: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com Message-Id: <31cf1b06.15729999@denver.ssds.com> References: <1ce80530@eu.pnu.com> In-Reply-To: <1ce80530@eu.pnu.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Greetings, I am using a 589C on my TP 755CE, and it went in the first time and worked, no conflicts (win95, PnP enabled). -Chris On Mon, 24 Jun 1996 13:41:21 +0200, the sage Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com (Mikael Bendtsen) scribed: > Hi all! > > Can anyone tell me why the above is an impossible configuration on > most IBM ThinkPads (755CE and above)? The device manager indicates a > conflict on the Etherlink III PC Card. However, no conflicting > addresses or interrupts are listed when I double-click on the adapter. > > The IBM Ethernet II Credit Card Adapter works fine in these machines, > but this is not a good solution for my site since we have a LOT of the > 3Com adapters. I don't what to say when my users are asking for > Windows95. Please help! > > Best regards > -------------------------------------------- > Mikael Bendtsen > Responsor NWSM (Pharmacia & Upjohn) > Mikael.Bendtsen@eu.pnu.com - mike@se.ibm.com > > -- ( ( | ( Chris Liljenstolpe ) ) (| ), inc. SSDS, Inc; 8400 Normandale Lake Blvd.; Suite 993 business driven Bloomington, MN 55437; technology solutions TEL 612.921.2392 FAX 612.921.2395 Fram Fram Free! PGP Key 1024/E8546BD5 FE 43 BD A6 3C 13 6C DB 89 B3 E4 A1 BF 6D 2A A9 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 19:54:52 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19695; Mon, 24 Jun 96 19:54:52 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13508; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:54:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:52:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13357; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:52:34 -0400 Received: from docws001.shl.com (docws001.shl.com [159.249.56.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA13349; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 19:52:26 -0400 Received: from cocms1.calwdc.shl.com (cocms1.calwdc.shl.com [159.249.55.68]) by docws001.shl.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id SAA20248 for ; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 18:37:11 -0500 Received: by cocms1.calwdc.shl.com with Microsoft Exchange (IMC 4.0.837.3) id <01BB61F5.AAA25DF0@cocms1.calwdc.shl.com>; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 17:50:44 -0600 Message-Id: From: "NELSON Tim (MSMail)" To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: RE: Is there an equal for the 760ED? Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:03:24 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Exchange Server Internet Mail Connector Version 4.0.837.3 Encoding: 42 TEXT Sadly, I must admit that I was forced to defect from the Thinkpad line to the Toshiba Tecra 720CDT for reasons already discussed on this mailing list. I actually LOVE the high resolution, and I can read the small print (I use all windows default fonts and colors). Don't hate me because I am impatient. Tim Nelson tnelson@shl.com ---------- From: dewar@gnat.com[SMTP:dewar@gnat.com] Sent: Friday, June 21, 1996 2:57 PM To: emjay@execpc.com; thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Is there an equal for the 760ED? "I read the reviews of the Toshiba 720CDT in both PC Magazine and PC Week and did not come away with a full stomach." I have looked at the 720CDT and it looks very good to me, I will let people know more when I get mine, supposedly early next week. Remember that one of the reasons that PC Week did not like it was that text and icons are too small. Well I suppose there may be brain-dead systems where this is a problem (i.e. sizes cannot be adjusted), but I don't use any, so this is not a problem and on the contrary the extra resolution will be most welcome (finally two pages side by side!) Also people did not like the weight, but I always carry several extra batteries anyway, so this is not a factor. I also like the keyboard much better than the thinkpad 760 CD (the old thinkpad keyboards were much nicer, the new tilt up ones seem poor to me, but this is a very personal thing, you have to test it yourself). Basically, when it comes to portables, I would always trust your OWN feeling rather than that of a review, try them out and see what you think. It is true that the disk performance is slightly better on the 760ED, which is a factor with OS/2 with its small disk cache. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 22:28:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26014; Mon, 24 Jun 96 22:28:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24923; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:27:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:24:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24524; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:24:20 -0400 Received: from super.mhv.net (super.mhv.net [199.0.0.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA24518; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:24:16 -0400 Received: from fishkill-port8.mhv.net by super.mhv.net (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AC06420; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 22:27:07 -0400 From: alec@usticke.org (Alec Usticke) To: "thinkpad@cs.utk.edu" Subject: Re: Is there an equal for the 760ED? Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:23:59 GMT Organization: AEU Message-Id: <31cf47da.5828970@smtp.mhv.net> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/16.227 On Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:03:24 -0600, "NELSON Tim (MSMail)" wrote: > Sadly, I must admit that I was forced to defect from the Thinkpad line to > the Toshiba Tecra 720CDT for reasons already discussed on this mailing > list. > > I actually LOVE the high resolution, and I can read the small print (I use > all windows default fonts and colors). > > Don't hate me because I am impatient. > > Tim Nelson > tnelson@shl.com I don't blame you, because I just ordered the same thing today. The ThinkPad 755C I've used for the last year is wonderful, but it appears that Toshiba has pulled ahead of the pack for the moment. Anyone know of a Toshiba mailing list? -- =''' Alec Usticke c-OO alec@usticke.org \ http://www.usticke.org - Standard Disclaimers Apply From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Mon Jun 24 23:38:14 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28278; Mon, 24 Jun 96 23:38:14 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29916; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 23:37:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Mon, 24 Jun 1996 23:35:45 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29747; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 23:35:43 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29735; Mon, 24 Jun 1996 23:35:40 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA25723; Mon, 24 Jun 96 23:33:12 EDT Date: Mon, 24 Jun 96 23:33:12 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606250333.AA25723@nile.gnat.com> To: alec@usticke.org, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Is there an equal for the 760ED? "Anyone know of a Toshiba mailing list?" If there is one I would like to know about it too. If not, we could probably host one here. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 25 02:44:54 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04078; Tue, 25 Jun 96 02:44:54 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA12244; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:44:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:40:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11678; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:40:02 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA11668; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 02:39:58 -0400 Received: from ssh.wwsi.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uYGJv-001BAaC; Mon, 24 Jun 96 12:25 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960624182756.00969540@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Jun 1996 12:27:56 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: Re: 760 quandry At 11:52 AM 6/24/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >Well the XD sounds like it might be nice if it ever appears, perhaps it >is the machine that will lure me back to the Thinkpad fold (I am going >to pick up my Tecra 720CDT in a couple of hours) :-) Actually, I suspect that ED might have done that -- if one could get them! Let me know what you think of the 720CDT. I am loath to get a "non-standard" notebook (we only have Thinkpads now), and I haven't likely the feel of the eraser pointer on the other Toshibas I've tried.... But..... ssh-- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 25 07:25:57 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08538; Tue, 25 Jun 96 07:25:57 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA05415; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:24:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:12:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03362; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:12:20 -0400 Received: from VNET.IBM.COM (vnet.ibm.com [199.171.26.4]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA03329; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:12:12 -0400 From: Message-Id: <199606251112.HAA03329@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: from EHONE by VNET.IBM.COM (IBM VM SMTP V2R3) with BSMTP id 4442; Tue, 25 Jun 96 03:08:41 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 07:08:45 UTC To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu thinkpad-request@cs.utk.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 25 07:47:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08854; Tue, 25 Jun 96 07:47:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08717; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:46:52 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:45:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08489; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:45:33 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id HAA08468; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 07:45:29 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA15836; Tue, 25 Jun 96 06:46:30 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 06:46:30 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606251046.AA15836@nile.gnat.com> To: ssh@wwsi.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760 quandry Steve said, replying to me: At 11:52 AM 6/24/96 EDT, Robert Dewar wrote: >Well the XD sounds like it might be nice if it ever appears, perhaps it >is the machine that will lure me back to the Thinkpad fold (I am going >to pick up my Tecra 720CDT in a couple of hours) :-) Actually, I suspect that ED might have done that -- if one could get them! Let me know what you think of the 720CDT. I am loath to get a "non-standard" notebook (we only have Thinkpads now), and I haven't likely the feel of the eraser pointer on the other Toshiba's I've tried.... But.... I think the eraser on the Tecra720CDT is much better than previous ones. I could in fact have got an ED but passed it up (Rockwell had several ED's in stock, and offered me two, but we decided on the Tecras instead -- the ED's have since sold, but they expect more in soon). The factors that lead us to the Tecra are the higher resolution, and the somewhat more standard hardware (both the display and the Mwave are troublesome on the TP for non-standard operating systems). So it will be interesting to see if we like them when we get to know them a bit better, so far, they look *very* attractive. I was also influenced by the fact that the keyboard on my 760CD was really horrible -- I just got it replaced, so perhaps that was just a singular bad one ... From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 25 08:29:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09414; Tue, 25 Jun 96 08:29:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12929; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:28:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:26:07 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12757; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:26:04 -0400 Received: from nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.64.7]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA12751; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:26:01 -0400 From: Received: from rzstud2.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (actually rzstud1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) by nz11.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with SMTP (PP); Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:18:46 +0200 Received: by rzstud2.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA033385121; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:18:41 +0200 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:18:41 +0200 Re: Prices for 701 RAM Apparently-To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <"nz11.rz.un.949:25.06.96.12.23.45"@rz.uni-karlsruhe.de> To: undisclosed-recipients:;@cs.utk.edu I phoned PC's Compleat for thinkpad memory prices. The have an offer for $390 for a 16 MB Module for the 701, um forgot the manufacturer, but a pretty wellknown one. They also have an offer for the same type of module from a company named "simple" for $300, but which is due in one months time. Is there anyone under the $390 or even under the $300 offer ? And how much do you pay for a second battery in the US ? I am Joachim Loeblein, ud1b@rzu.uni-karlsruhe.de I Fear nothing.[.uni-karlsruhe.de[ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 25 08:49:56 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09668; Tue, 25 Jun 96 08:49:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA15045; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:49:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:48:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14901; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:48:02 -0400 Received: from vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA14894; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:48:00 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by vmedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 kells.vmedia.com) id IAA28149; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:43:47 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA2466; Tue, 25 Jun 96 08:42:31 -0700 Message-Id: <9606251542.AA2466@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 85BE5585FA4680958525635400456BA0; Tue, 25 Jun 96 08:42:13 EDT To: Robert Dewar Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 25 Jun 96 8:40:13 EDT Subject: Toshiba mailing list X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...If there is one I would like to know about it too. If not, we could probably host one here...." ~~~~~ count me in. i'm supporting both lines now. Michael J. Verne Computer Support Manager, VentanaCommunications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 25 10:25:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10899; Tue, 25 Jun 96 10:25:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27360; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:24:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:21:32 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27011; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:21:29 -0400 Received: from balder.ssds.com (balder.ssds.com [204.131.72.62]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA27004; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:21:26 -0400 Received: (from mail@localhost) by balder.ssds.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.SSDSnet-hub) id IAA24388; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:21:21 -0600 Received: from denver(134.127.16.1) by balder via smap (V1.3) id sma024386; Tue Jun 25 08:21:16 1996 Received: by denver.ssds.com id IAA01365; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 08:21:07 -0600 (MDT) From: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com (Christopher Liljenstolpe) To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Cc: alec@usticke.org, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Is there an equal for the 760ED? Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:20:26 GMT Sender: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com Organization: SSDS, Inc. Reply-To: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com Message-Id: <31cff580.1947842@denver.ssds.com> References: <9606250333.AA25723@nile.gnat.com> In-Reply-To: <9606250333.AA25723@nile.gnat.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Greetings, I have been thinking of the 720CDT as a replacement for my 755CE. If a Toshiba list exists, or is created, please let me know where it is as well. -=Chris On Mon, 24 Jun 96 23:33:12 EDT, the sage dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) scribed: >"Anyone know of a Toshiba mailing list?" > >If there is one I would like to know about it too. If not, we >could probably host one here. > -- ( ( | ( Chris Liljenstolpe ) ) (| ), inc. SSDS, Inc; 8400 Normandale Lake Blvd.; Suite 993 business driven Bloomington, MN 55437; technology solutions TEL 612.921.2392 FAX 612.921.2395 Fram Fram Free! PGP Key 1024/E8546BD5 FE 43 BD A6 3C 13 6C DB 89 B3 E4 A1 BF 6D 2A A9 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 25 12:26:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13127; Tue, 25 Jun 96 12:26:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09448; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:25:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:22:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09183; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:22:34 -0400 Received: from pointer.netpoint.net (pointer.netpoint.net [198.69.200.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA09092; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:22:24 -0400 Received: from mailhub.netpoint.net (dppp25.netpoint.net [198.69.200.125]) by pointer.netpoint.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id MAA13931; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:15:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199606251615.MAA13931@pointer.netpoint.net> To: List 750 To: TP List X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.05f) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:22:00 EST From: Bill Schwartz Reply-To: Bill Schwartz Subject: 16MB for the TP701 Addressed to: List 750 TP List Some body on the list asked about pricing for the 16MB upgrade for the TP701, we have them for $300.00. The memory is approved by IBM and covered by easy serve. We have the item instock. Bill High Performance Cartridges Inc. PO BOX 545890 Surfside, Fl. 33154 Phone 1-305-868-8430 Fax 1-305-864-7367 URL: http://www.netpoint.net/hpcart/HPRAM.HTM Thinkpad Memory Systems From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 25 12:45:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA13610; Tue, 25 Jun 96 12:45:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11268; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:44:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:42:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11067; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:42:36 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (CNRI.Reston.VA.US [132.151.1.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA11055; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:42:30 -0400 Received: from glyph.cnri.reston.va.us by CNRI.Reston.VA.US id aa10275; 25 Jun 96 12:39 EDT Received: by glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 (Bouncing Bass Player Edition)) id MAA02928; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:39:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:39:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Ken Manheimer Reply-To: klm@CNRI.Reston.VA.US To: ThinkPad Mailing List , linux-laptop@vger.rutgers.edu Cc: Redhat Technical Support , Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl Subject: Re: Odd problem running Linux 2.0.0 kernel - keyboard freezes In-Reply-To: <199606220442.AAA10502@glyph.CNRI.Reston.Va.US> Message-Id: X-Organization: Corporation for National Research Initiatives Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, thanks to a suggestion provoked by my question, i have a workaround for the keyboard-freeze problem i've been having with the 2.0.0 kernel. The workaround is to start X - i now use Redhat's runlevel 5, instead of the tty-console runlevel 3, and the problem simply doesn't show. Here's the response from Andries Brouwer which inspired this workaround (thanks, Andries!): On Sat, 22 Jun 1996, Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl wrote: Ken Manheimer: > : What's odd is that, once the keyboard is locked out, *no* keystrokes > : are recognized - not only are regular keystrokes ignored, as is > : ctrl-alt-delete, but the special Thinkpad BIOS keystrokes - > : configuration (Fn-F1), screen toggle Fn-F3, volume Fn-PgUp Fn-PgDn - > : also have no effect! > > Yes. What seems to be happening is that the keyboard receives > the first byte of a two-byte command (like set leds or set repeat rate > or choose scancode set) and then sits waiting for the second byte. > Sending another byte by writing directly to the ioport revives the > keyboard. You can have this as a menu item. > > Different people have this problem for different kernel versions; > it may be timing related. What's interesting is that i don't have to do anything but start X - i didn't even have to figure out how to send a byte directly to the keyboard ioport. Both X and the virtual consoles all work fine, with no further finagling. And i have an X session on VC 7 all the time, which is not a bad way to operate... Thanks, everyone. Ken Manheimer klm@cnri.reston.va.us 703 620-8990 x268 (orporation for National Research |nitiatives 1895 Preston White Drive, Suite 100 Reston, VA 22091 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 25 14:43:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17738; Tue, 25 Jun 96 14:43:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA21179; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:41:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:38:58 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20849; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:38:56 -0400 Received: from mail.execpc.com (mail.execpc.com [169.207.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA20831; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:38:51 -0400 Received: from rj21x.execpc.com (rj21x.execpc.com [169.207.8.118]) by mail.execpc.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA02607 for ; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:38:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <31D04E7A.448E@execpc.com> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:39:22 -0700 From: Tom Kustner Organization: Emjay Organization X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Win16; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: PC WEEK: IBM still suffering from severe ThinkPad shortage X-Url: http://www.pcweek.com/news/0617/18eibm.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit http://www.pcweek.com/news/0617/18eibm.html I am sure the usual copyrights apply. The above URL is where this story comes from. > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > [PC Week Online] June 18, 1996 6:30 p.m. ET > IBM still suffering from severe > ThinkPad shortage > > By Charles Cooper > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > > IBM is grappling with a severe shortage of > ThinkPads that a senior company official today > said may last until the end of the year. > > In an interview, William Amelio, the vice > president of re-engineering at IBM's Personal > Computer Co., said orders for the portable line > are approximately twice as high as the > company's ability to satisfy demand. > > Amelio, who said a new inventory management > process will kick in during the fourth quarter, > was guardedly optimistic about IBM's ability to > address the inventory imbalance earlier than > the end of the year. > > "We expect to get clear by Q3, but it's > difficult to tell," he said. Amelio added that > IBM is making 40,000 ThinkPad units every week. > > Amelio was given the charge to straighten out > IBM's manufacturing and procurement problems > earlier this spring after Joe Formichelli > resigned to take the helm at Hayes > Microcomputer Products Inc. He has since begun > implementing an ambitious program to rehaul the > Personal Computer Co.'s order entry and > inventory replacement procedures to eliminate > the periodic product shortages that have nagged > IBM over the years. > > "We came into this year with the idea to > increase our [market] share modestly," Amelio > said. "The idea was to get some traction to > allow us to capture back share and allow us to > dominate later. But this is the year of > execution." > > In recent weeks, resellers have complained > about the recurring ThinkPad shortages > > We can not get them at all through our regular > distributor channels. We have to get through > the gray market," said Lesley Lincoln, > president of Laptops Plus Inc. in Winter Park, > Florida. IBMs not the only one in that boat; > Toshiba and NEC [are bad as well]. AST is > getting better. Toshiba, NEC and IBM are the > three worst, and Compaq is close fourth. > > IBM is the worst of the bunch at preannoucning > before theyre ready. They love to fill back > orders. > > Wally Raymond, vice president of sales and > marketing at Laptop Superstore in Natick, > Mass., noted that Thinkpads have been in > allocation status for a while. In other words, > theres not enough for everyone to go around, > youve got to wait for your order to be > allocated. Theyre no different from Toshiba, > or NEC. Its the nature of the beast. Its [one > of] the hottest products out there, and > corporate America is screaming for them. If I > get one [a Thinkpad] its usually a surprise. > Additional reporting by Margaret Kane > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tom Kustner Emjay Corporation System/LAN Administrator 725 W. Glendale Ave. Email: emjay@execpc.com Glendale, WI 53209-6509 USA Any opinions are mine and not necessarily those of Emjay's. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 25 17:12:51 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA25508; Tue, 25 Jun 96 17:12:51 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA06222; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:11:44 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:08:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05746; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:07:59 -0400 Received: from econ.lsa.umich.edu (supply.econ.lsa.umich.edu [141.211.12.150]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA05740; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:07:56 -0400 Received: from smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu by econ.lsa.umich.edu (8.7.5/2.2) id RAA18684; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:07:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "Shinichi Sakata" Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:07:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606252107.RAA28009@smith.econ.lsa.umich.edu> To: Thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Hibernation of 755CX + Etherlink III + OS/2 I remember that somebody said suspend/hibernation of 755CX with Etherlink III running OS/2 connect works well a while ago. So, I recently tried them and found that suspend works on my machine but hibernation does not. The suspend indicator on the machine flashes forever and the suspend file does not seem to be written. The screen becomes blank right after the hibernation starts. I can only stop this ill-behaved hibernation by removing the battery and unplug the AC power. I have updated the card service files and applied the latest CSD to OS/2 connect. In addition to the TCP service, P2P is installed on the machine. Does anybody know how to fix this problem? Thanks, Shinichi -- ============================================================================= Shinichi Sakata, Ph.D. The University of Michigan Internet: ssakata@umich.edu Department of Economics Phone: (313) 764-2368 / 2355 240 Lorch Hall, 1220 Fax: (313) 764-2769 611 Tappan Street Ann Arbor, MI 48109-1220 ============================================================================= From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 25 17:43:06 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26487; Tue, 25 Jun 96 17:43:06 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09520; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:42:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:41:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09336; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:40:58 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09327; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:40:54 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA07487; Tue, 25 Jun 96 17:38:19 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 17:38:19 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606252138.AA07487@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, ssh@wwsi.com, thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760 quandry I really like the Tecra 720CDT, *very* nice machine. The only disadvantages I register so far compared with the TP are 1) only one battery at a time 2) only one hard disk at a time From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 25 18:07:07 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27585; Tue, 25 Jun 96 18:07:07 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11797; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:05:46 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:04:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11559; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:04:24 -0400 Received: from pointer.netpoint.net (pointer.netpoint.net [198.69.200.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11552; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:04:20 -0400 Received: from mailhub.netpoint.net (dppp12.netpoint.net [198.69.200.112]) by pointer.netpoint.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA21582; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:32:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199606252132.RAA21582@pointer.netpoint.net> To: List 750 To: TP List X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.05f) Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:39:24 EST From: Bill Schwartz Reply-To: Bill Schwartz Subject: TP Memory Addressed to: List 750 TP List I know this is not the purpose of this list but I am getting so much e-mail from you guys that it is easier to just list the new TP memory prices. Yes they have dropped a lot. Please after this go to my other web sit: http://www.netpoint.net/systems I will try to update the prices on a daily basis. TP701 16MB $300.00 TP755 16MB $375.00 TP760c/cd 16MB $300.00 Thanks Bill High Performance Cartridges Inc. PO BOX 545890 Surfside, Fl. 33154 Phone 1-305-868-8430 Fax 1-305-864-7367 URL: http://www.netpoint.net/systems Thinkpad Memory Systems From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 25 21:53:22 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA10889; Tue, 25 Jun 96 21:53:22 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA28320; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:52:39 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:49:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27986; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:49:00 -0400 Received: from mail.voicenet.com (mail.voicenet.com [207.103.0.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA27980; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:48:58 -0400 Received: from columbo (ivyland244.voicenet.com [206.228.127.143]) by mail.voicenet.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id VAA27529; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:48:42 -0400 Message-Id: <31D096F8.3FBF@cs.umbc.edu> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:48:40 -0400 From: Richard Fritzson Reply-To: fritzson@cs.umbc.edu Organization: Meta4, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0b4 (Win95; I) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Dewar Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 760 quandry References: <9606252138.AA07487@nile.gnat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Robert Dewar wrote: > > I really like the Tecra 720CDT, *very* nice machine. The only disadvantages I am someone who has been trying to get a 760CD and them a 760ED since February. This afternoon I saw the 720CDT in a store in NYC and I have to agree with the above. The high res screen is very bright and sharp. I think I prefer it to the large screens I have seen on the 760Es. Overall it has a good feel to it and my experience with Toshibas in the past has been favorable. Although I wanted to hold out for the advanced video capabilities on the 760ED, it may not be worth it anymore. In my view, IBM has been out of the high end laptop business since the beginning of the year. Rich Fritzson From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Tue Jun 25 22:08:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11454; Tue, 25 Jun 96 22:08:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29594; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:06:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:05:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29314; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:05:28 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA29301; Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:05:24 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA08269; Tue, 25 Jun 96 22:02:54 EDT Date: Tue, 25 Jun 96 22:02:54 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606260202.AA08269@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, fritzson@cs.umbc.edu Subject: Re: 760 quandry Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu well I am not sure that they are "out of the business", but let's say they have been temporarily leapfrogged. FOr the record, if I had decided on a 760ED, I would have had it a week earlier, but I am happy I waited for the Tecra. One more little comment about the Tecra, as a game machine The good news: The sound is sound blaster pro compatible, no trouble with any games. The bad news, nothing equivalent (at least nothing I discovered yet) to hvexp on, so ganmes play in a small square in the screen. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 02:21:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19973; Wed, 26 Jun 96 02:21:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA19264; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 02:20:31 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 02:17:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18945; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 02:17:22 -0400 Received: from kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id CAA18939; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 02:17:19 -0400 Received: from mailbox.mcs.com (Mailbox.mcs.com [192.160.127.87]) by kitten.mcs.com (8.7.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id BAA02318; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 01:17:17 -0500 (CDT) Received: by mailbox.mcs.com (/\==/\ Smail3.1.28.1 #28.5) id ; Wed, 26 Jun 96 01:17 CDT Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960626061610.0066b704@popmail.mcs.net> X-Sender: runngdog@popmail.mcs.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 01:16:10 -0500 To: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) From: Dane Tyson Subject: Re: Is there an equal for the 760ED? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 05:56 PM 6/21/96 EDT, you wrote: >I have looked at the 720CDT and it looks very good to me, I will let people >know more when I get mine, supposedly early next week. Having used my 720CDT for a week now, I'd like to add a few comments. First, a bit of history. The Tecra was not my first choice. After what seemed (then) like an intolerable wait between the first mention in PC Week of the 760ED and IBM's announcement on April 23, I faithfully placed my order for the ED within a couple hours of the announcement. I felt confident that the machine would ship quickly, because (a) I was at the top of my reseller's (PCs Compleat) order list; (b) IBM was already receiving terrible press for shipping problems with the 760CD (which I hypothesized/hoped might have been related to a shortage of critical components diverted to ED manufacture); and (c) IBM's ED announcement gratuitously cited April 23 as the "availability" date on the new machine. The same day I placed my order, an associate ordered a 720CDT from the same reseller. A month later, he received his machine, while I was still trying to elicit a firm ship date on my ED (it had slipped to late June by that point). In frustration, I called another reseller (Micro Solutions) and ordered a 720, which they assured me I could get by mid-June. I thought this would be particularly convenient, since both resellers offered a limited time MPG, allowing me to do a head-to-head comparison (assuming both resellers met their ship dates) and send back the "loser" without penalty. However, the Micro Solutions actually obtained and shipped the Tecra earlier,and I would have had it only 2 weeks after placing my order had it not been for a sticky-fingered Fedex employee somewhere in Chicago who is now enjoying my Tecra (or the proceeds therefrom). As it was, Micro Solutions was able to find me a second machine and have it into my hands when I returned from a week-long trip on June 18 -- still less than 4 weeks from order to delivery. (The estimated shipping date on my ED meanwhile had slipped to mid-July.) In terms of performance, I'm very satisfied thus far with my 720. It's an extraordinarily solid-feeling machine. I find the combination of large palmrest, Accupoint, and the Toshiba style buttons (large "left" button directly above small "right" button) ideal for my particular combination of typing and mousing. The high-resolution screen is gorgeous, especially on photos, videos, etc., that benefit from the extra resolution, as well as spreadsheets and "landscape" oriented text pages. I also like that fact that what I see on the screen when I travel with my 720 matches what I see when I run it through a 17* monitor at work In terms of speed, I find the 720 very fast, noticably faster than a 760CD I tested. ( I cheated a bit, though: since the 720 cost $750 less than the $6,999 I had been authorized to spend for the 760ED, I used $400 of my savings to upgrade the RAM to 32 Mb, which gives a real performance boost.) I was rather surprised at the comments on the 720 in PC Week's comparative review. With regard to the weight of the machine, it is certainly true that the 720 is heavy, though the difference from other full-featured laptops is fairly minor, and on the positive side, the 720 seems to be built like a tank. The comment that the 720's screen resolution is too high, so that text and icons are unreadable, is nonsense IMHO -- the 720's resolution is essentially identical to that of the Thinkpad 755CX (or any other 10" SVGA machine, for that matter), with equivalent readability. Finally, the comments that the 720 is a "slow" machine or that its performance is "poor" based on relative benchmark performance vs. SVGA laptops seem completely off base. In the 720, Toshiba made a conscious decision to use the extra processing power of the 133 MHz chip to add capabilities vs. the 120 MHz (i.e., pushing around 314K extra pixels on the screen) rather than for incremental improvements in speed. Adjusting for screen resolution differences, the 720's relative performance is just fine: PC Week's sister publication Windows Sources compared the 720 to the Micron Transport (the fastest 133 MHz machine they had tested), with both machines run through an external 1,034 x 768 monitor and found the performance of the two to be virtually identical. At this point, it looks like I'm going to stick with the 720 -- I'm already finding myself growing very comfortable with it (and this after 5 years on a Powerbook 170). Of course, it could be that if I'd received my ED within a reasonable time frame, I might have been even more pleased with it than I am with the 720. Even if I'd received the ED at the end of June (which is what I was told when I ordered the 720), I would have been able to do a head-to-head comparison that might have favored the ED. But today's call to PCs Compleat got me an August 5 ship date (tentatively!!!), and that's just too damn long to wait for a machine that has supposedly been "available" since April 23. I'll stick with the bird I now have in hand, and IBM can count me as a lost sale. I'm curious to hear how others of you who have deserted IBM for the 720 feel after using your machines for a while, and I would certainly be interested in knowing of any Toshiba mailing list, or in participating in a Toshiba splinter faction of the Thinkpad list. Toshiba does operate a forum on Compuserve, but I prefer a mailing list. Regards, Dane From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 03:23:46 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA22129; Wed, 26 Jun 96 03:23:46 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23464; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 03:22:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 03:20:13 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23188; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 03:20:11 -0400 Received: from beluga.MIT.EDU (BELUGA.MIT.EDU [18.48.0.155]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA23176; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 03:20:07 -0400 Received: from localhost by beluga.MIT.EDU via SMTP (940816.SGI.8.6.9/930416.SGI) id DAA00373; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 03:19:46 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 03:19:46 -0400 (EDT) From: "John H. Kim" To: Dane Tyson Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Is there an equal for the 760ED? In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19960626061610.0066b704@popmail.mcs.net> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 26 Jun 1996, Dane Tyson wrote: > > earlier,and I would have had it only 2 weeks after placing my order had it > not been for a sticky-fingered Fedex employee somewhere in Chicago who is > now enjoying my Tecra (or the proceeds therefrom). As it was, Micro Do you have a followup on this? Did they find the guy and fire him? I thought FedEx had the best reputation for domestic delivery service. > tank. The comment that the 720's screen resolution is too high, so that > text and icons are unreadable, is nonsense IMHO -- the 720's resolution is > essentially identical to that of the Thinkpad 755CX (or any other 10" SVGA > machine, for that matter), with equivalent readability. These magazine reviews should be reporting dpi instead of subjective comments like being "too high." 800x600 on a 10.4" screen is 96 dpi, or about the same as 640x480 on a 8.5" screen (94 dpi). I don't recall any complaints about 8.5" screens being unreadable. Annoying maybe, but not unreadable. > At this point, it looks like I'm going to stick with the 720 I hope all you ex-Thinkpad people are telling IBM why you switched when you call to cancel your order. It's disgraceful that IBM took this long to even start to address the availability problem. I guess from their point of view, excessive demand is a "good" problem. > after using your machines for a while, and I would certainly be interested > in knowing of any Toshiba mailing list, or in participating in a Toshiba > splinter faction of the Thinkpad list. If there isn't a list, I don't see why you guys couldn't start one. The original rationale for this list was the high price of the TP750 and a desire to share info to get the most from our investments. (Sean Chou, the guy who put together the first list on my suggestion, now uses a Toshiba Portege 610. Maybe history can repeat itself? :) -- John H. Kim "I stop for red traffic lights" -- bumper sticker jokim@mit.edu commissioned by the City of Boston as part of a MIT Sea Grant campaign to shed its reputation for bad drivers. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 05:53:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA28352; Wed, 26 Jun 96 05:53:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10791; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 05:53:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 05:50:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10527; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 05:50:55 -0400 Received: from jaguar.ccia.com (root@jaguar.ccia.com [207.18.92.100]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA10521; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 05:50:53 -0400 Received: from 207.18.93.6 (cc6.ccia.com [207.18.93.6]) by jaguar.ccia.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id FAA09352 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 05:55:49 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <31D0C1A6.7A19@ccia.com> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 04:50:46 +0000 From: Scott Watson X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.0 (Macintosh; I; 68K) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Information about your mailing list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am putting up a new comprehensive page on laptop resources. I'd appreciate it if you could write me a short note describing your mailing list and whether or not it is still active. S.W. wsw@ccia.com From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 08:11:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05665; Wed, 26 Jun 96 08:11:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA19202; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:10:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:03:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18259; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:03:17 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA18253; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:03:15 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA28916; Wed, 26 Jun 96 08:00:49 EDT Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 08:00:49 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606261200.AA28916@nile.gnat.com> To: dewar@gnat.com, runngdog@mcs.com Subject: Re: Is there an equal for the 760ED? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu My comparison is between a 760 CD which I have used for a while and the Tecra 720CDT. Let me summarize + and - points. + sound/modem/display much easier to handle at system level (manual gives complete list of scan frequencies for display, sorely missing on TP). games work without a hitch. + resolution of screen is a real plus over the 600 x 800, I now find going back to the 760CD unpleasant from this point of view. + pointing device and buttons seem nicer than IBM) but this is something you have to decide for yourself. + keyboard feel is nicer (again personal), but keyboard is more solid because it does not sit in the air like the IBM one (my IBM keyboard became completely unusable, I had it replaced, so maybe that was an anonomoly). + battery life is longer (battery is quite a bit heavier, more cells, which accounts for the extra weight. Since I carry extra batteries anyway, there is no weight issue. + external diskette can be plugged in and out while machine is on and running + much easier to replace battery (this is a real weakness of the IBM design, having to remove the CD ROM to change the battery is a real nuisance). now minuses - no hvexp feature, games play in a 640 x 480 window on the screen - can only have one hard disk (I used multiple hard disks for backups on 760CD, and now I guess I have to buy a PCMCIA disk for that purpose) - can only have one battery (I found being able to charge two batteries at night on the 760CD really useful, I will probably end up shelling out for the extra charger, which is one more thing to carry around). - power adapter uses non-standard power cable. I liked being able to use any standard cable with the IBM adapter - so far, 64meg and 128meg cards are not available for Tecra, but 2 x 32meg is available for 760CD (though expensive). - keyboard on Tecra is more crowded, I don't like keys to the right of shift enter etc, and tab key is small. Ctrl key placement is particularly unfortunate (reversed with function), but this is relevatiebly minor and I am quickly getting used to it. - No OS/2 drivers in sight, no mention of OS/2 in the manual (the manual for the Tecra is pretty miserable, lots of beginners stuff ["what software you should buy"] that is totally useless, and lots of missing information ["absolutely NO mention in the manual of how to remove the hard drive, solved finally by the picture in the Tecra demo on the hard disk! For those who run into this problem, the secret is to slide the panel at the right, with the lights, to the right and then it comes off, revealing the disk behind. Some more plusses + runs cooler than the 760CD (remember this is the CD I am comparing against not the ED). + has feet! so heat load on table etc. is VERY much reduced (I actually cracked a wood table using my 760CD!) + has extra auxiliary batter that maintains 8 hours of suspend time when main battery runs out. Remember again that I am comparing the 760CD, not the ED, still as far as I can tell the CD and ED are very similar except for speed. Oh, one more + + can run at 16-bit color in max resolution mode I have not considered video stuff (video in, video out etc, since I don't use that anyway). My bottom line is that I prefer the Tecra, and am quite happy that I made this choice. My choice was NOT forced by availability. As I have mentioned before, I would have got the 760ED a week earlier (around June 13th) if I had decided on that. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 08:24:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA06553; Wed, 26 Jun 96 08:24:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20638; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:23:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:22:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20411; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:22:23 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id IAA20397; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 08:22:19 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA00771; Wed, 26 Jun 96 08:19:44 EDT Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 08:19:44 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606261219.AA00771@nile.gnat.com> To: jokim@mit.edu, runngdog@mcs.com Subject: Re: Is there an equal for the 760ED? Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu "I hope all you ex-Thinkpad people are telling IBM why you switched when you call to cancel your order. It's disgraceful that IBM took this long to even start to address the availability problem. I guess from their point of view, excessive demand is a "good" problem." That's a bit extreme, IBM has been trying to address TP availability from day one. Yes, they have continually badly underestimated the demand, but that's also a reflection of quality, the TP has repeatedly been more successful than expected. IBM positioned the TP as a high margin machine at the high end, with expected modest sales, and has been surprised to find that a high margin machine of this type has such a high demand. For the record, Toshiba has also had terrible supply problems. Industry wide, for high end machines, IBM and Toshiba are in about the same shape. Sure, individual experience may differ (I have owned the following thinkpads 700, 720, 750, 750C, 750CX, 750CD, 760CD, and *every single one* was purchased within 14 days of IBM's announced availability date, but you simply cannot judge from individual experience, what counts is availability in quantity for large corporate orders). Most of us on this list are trying for individual machines from the channel. The availability in this context is more a function of allocation than overall availability compared with demand. Both IBM and Toshiba leak some units into the channel early, and if you catch them you are fine, but if you want to order 500 ED's or 500 Tecra's right now for your company, you will find it hard to get either any time soon. It's easy to say that a company is behavind disgracefully when they under-estimate demand, but the penalties for over-estimating demand can be very high. IBM presumably was badly burned by their wild over-estimate of the 701 demand, and we saw 701 firesales within a VERY short time of the arrival of this machine. From a business point of view, that was equally disgraceful, but of course people on this list often found it quite delightful to buy 701's so cheap :-) Forcasing demand in this field is notoriously hard, if you know how to do it reliably, let someone know, you will quickly be a very rich chap! From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 10:06:28 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11190; Wed, 26 Jun 96 10:06:28 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01669; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:05:33 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:02:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01263; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:02:33 -0400 Received: from vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA01236; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:02:30 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by vmedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 kells.vmedia.com) id JAA07989; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:58:15 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA5090; Wed, 26 Jun 96 09:56:57 -0700 Message-Id: <9606261656.AA5090@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id 54F037C64A744E6285256355004C946A; Wed, 26 Jun 96 09:56:57 EDT To: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 26 Jun 96 9:58:50 EDT Subject: Re: 760 quandry X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...The good news: The sound is sound blaster pro compatible, no trouble with any games...." ~~~~~ if i'm not mistaken, it's actually a creative labs chipset. it even runs macromedia viewer files, which i've found to be an even more stringent sb-compatability test than doom or heretic. Michael J. Verne Computer Support Manager, VentanaCommunications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 10:14:01 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11446; Wed, 26 Jun 96 10:14:01 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02626; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:13:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:12:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02477; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:12:15 -0400 Received: from ra.isisnet.com (root@ra.isisnet.com [199.45.83.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA02471; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:12:12 -0400 Received: from robs.isisnet.com by ra.isisnet.com (8.7.5/SMI-SVR4) id LAA03766; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:10:24 -0300 (ADT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:10:24 -0300 (ADT) Message-Id: <199606261410.LAA03766@ra.isisnet.com> X-Sender: robsteve@isisnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: "Robert G. Stevens" Subject: 755cdv pentium upgrade I have a 755CDV with a DX4 100 and would like to upgrade to the Pentium 75 option. Has any one done this? What is the availability of the upgrade? Is it significantly faster than the DX4. Thanks Robert Stevens From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 11:31:20 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14439; Wed, 26 Jun 96 11:31:20 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09967; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:30:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:28:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09664; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:28:07 -0400 Received: from alder.nesc.epa.gov (alder.nesc.epa.gov [204.46.18.15]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA09657; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:27:58 -0400 Received: from baobab.nesc.epa.gov by alder.nesc.epa.gov (5.4R3.10T/140.2) id AA18915; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:27:50 -0400 Received: by baobab.nesc.epa.gov (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA02851; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:27:20 -0400 From: "Vince Wayland" Message-Id: <9606261127.ZM2849@baobab.nesc.epa.gov> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:27:19 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 10oct95) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Upgrades (720C in particular) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii In the July issue of PC Magazine, in the Second Looks Column on page 69, there is a description of upgrading one of the editor's TP720C. They do wonder about the cost effectiveness of spending $1500 on upgrading a TP750C. They replaced the hard drive, cpu and bios with parts from Corporate Upgrades, (800) 240-6190. The hard drive upgrade was $898 for a 520 MB drive; the article infers that this included the bios and 32 bit drivers. The CPU upgrade was a 75MHz Blue Lightning for $498. They mention the Sigma Data hard drives, (800) 446-4525, as having higher capacity, and not needing the bios upgrade, but lacking 32 bit drivers. They also installed CardWizard Pro from SystemSoft, (800) 449-7973, for $69.95 to update the pc card capability and installed 32 bit Windows 95 graphic drivers. I have no interest in any of the above mentioned firms. AU,YMMV. Vince -- Vince Wayland Onsite at The National Environmental Supercomputer Center (517)894-7671 for Cray Research, Inc. veg@nesc.epa.gov NESC, 135 Washington Ave., Bay City, MI 48708 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 12:10:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16318; Wed, 26 Jun 96 12:10:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13761; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:08:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:07:17 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13576; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:07:14 -0400 Received: from mhv.net (root@csbh.mhv.net [199.0.0.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA13567; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:07:04 -0400 Received: from taifun (monroe-94.dialup.frontiercomm.net) by mhv.net (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA22851; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:08:46 -0400 Sender: yce@mhv.net Message-Id: <31D14EBF.5F6A1EE6@mhv.net> Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 10:52:47 -0400 From: Yves-Chandler Eynard X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (X11; I; Linux 1.3.92 i486) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755cx and virtual screens References: <31D14AA9.EE4AADD@mhv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a 755cx with the svga display. In the past I was able to have a virtual 1024x768 display using IBM's display driver. I worked in OS/2, Windows 3.11, and Win95 (after a reformat and reinstall of either of those systems). Now on the latest install of win95 I can't remember how I got this to work in the past. When I choose the icon for the display manager (or whatever it's called) the section for lcd is greyed out. (I did choose the lcd in the display type). What am I forgetting? Thanks in advance -- Yves-Chandler Eynard yves@mhv.net OCTET International From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 12:41:58 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17503; Wed, 26 Jun 96 12:41:58 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17131; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:40:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:38:15 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16861; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:38:14 -0400 Received: from ctrvx1.Vanderbilt.Edu (ctrvx1.Vanderbilt.Edu [129.59.1.21]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA16854; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:38:10 -0400 Received: from dial120.Vanderbilt.Edu by ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (PMDF V5.0-5 #11488) id <01I6D31OH5PC8X9PCZ@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:36:58 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 11:36:58 -0500 (CDT) Date-Warning: Date header was inserted by ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu From: gramlijf@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (James Gramling) X-Sender: gramlijf@ctrvax.vanderbilt.edu To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Message-Id: <01I6D31P0PSI8X9PCZ@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT I have a question for all of you 760 series owners out there, and toshiba tecra owners may comment as well. I realize this is a subjective evaluation, but I wonder what you all think about the weight of these machines. Is it so heavy that a student carrying one across campus would quickly experience shoulder fatigue? Have any of you tried carrying the 760 with nothing in the floppy/cdrom bay to save weight, and does it seem to make much of a difference? I would love to have one of these machines, but i'm afraid that I would be sorry the first time I walked across campus with it. Most of the people I've read comments from seem to be using notebooks in business settings, so weight may not be as much an issue, or maybe it is. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Jim gramling From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 12:43:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17517; Wed, 26 Jun 96 12:43:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17354; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:43:06 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:42:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17202; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:42:00 -0400 Received: from netcom8.netcom.com (phr@netcom8.netcom.com [192.100.81.117]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA17191; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:41:54 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom8.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA16013; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:41:51 -0700 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 09:41:51 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199606261641.JAA16013@netcom8.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: thinkpad vs toshiba I had five Toshibas (T1000, T1000SE, T2000SX, T4600, and another T1000) and now have a 755cx. I think Toshiba has been consistently ahead of IBM in mechanical construction and maybe technical features, though worse in upgradeability (upgradeable hard disks are a new and surprising idea for them, apparently). However, their support has been absolutely awful in terms of dealing with software bugs, etc. (Notorious problems with PCMCIA drivers in the T1950 line etc). I broke the backlight in my T2000sx and they wanted to replace the whole screen at a charge of around $1000! I found that a replacement bulb was a standard Toshiba repair part (overpriced at $100 but affordable) and the DIY repair took a few minutes. Later I found the bulb manufacturer sells the bulbs for $10. By contrast I've been quite impressed with Thinkpad support. The reps are a lot more knowledgeable than Toshiba reps, and the hold times are (usually) not too bad. And it seems to me to be an advantage that the machines are engineered in the US, because it means if you have a problem the tech support staff can't handle, they can get help as needed from the engineering staff. TAIS on the other hand is mostly a sales operation with limited communications with Toshiba Japan. If you get a problem they can't handle, you are SOL and they give you a runaround rather than admitting that they don't know the answer. So if I had the $$$ for a new high end laptop, I'd tend to wait for an XD rather than getting a Tecra. The positive comments on the Tecra have mellowed me out a bit about it, but I still have bad feelings from my previous experiences with Toshiba. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 12:56:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18167; Wed, 26 Jun 96 12:56:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18620; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:55:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:54:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18436; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:54:23 -0400 Received: from goldilocks.LCS.MIT.EDU (goldilocks.lcs.mit.edu [18.27.0.167]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18427; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:54:20 -0400 Received: from ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu by goldilocks.LCS.MIT.EDU (4.1/SLS-4.1.1) id AA16324; Wed, 26 Jun 96 12:54:11 EDT Received: (from ilh@localhost) by ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id MAA02000; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:54:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:54:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199606261654.MAA02000@ursa-minor.lcs.mit.edu> To: gramlijf@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (James Gramling) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: your message of 26 June 1996 References: <01I6D31P0PSI8X9PCZ@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> From: Lee Hetherington | I have a question for all of you 760 series owners out there, and toshiba | tecra owners may comment as well. I realize this is a subjective | evaluation, but I wonder what you all think about the weight of these | machines. Is it so heavy that a student carrying one across campus would | quickly experience shoulder fatigue? Have any of you tried carrying the 760 | with nothing in the floppy/cdrom bay to save weight, and does it seem to | make much of a difference? I would love to have one of these machines, but | i'm afraid that I would be sorry the first time I walked across campus with | it. Most of the people I've read comments from seem to be using notebooks | in business settings, so weight may not be as much an issue, or maybe it is. | Any thoughts would be appreciated. I carry a 760C every day to/from work, which includes walking to/from subway and train stations. I carry it in a bag with a shoulder strap. It is fairly heavy, but it doesn't really bother me. I do notice it a bit more when I have two batteries installed. The floppy drive is so light that I don't think you would notice the difference between an empty bay and a floppy in the bay. Overall, I don't mind the weight. Lee Hetherington ilh@lcs.mit.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 13:01:32 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18360; Wed, 26 Jun 96 13:01:32 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA19112; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:59:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:58:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18859; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:58:20 -0400 Received: from mach1.gs.com (mach1.gs.com [192.246.9.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA18851; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:58:15 -0400 From: Received: from gs.com (postoffice1.gs.com [138.8.220.10]) by mach1.gs.com (8.7.1/8.7.1/mach1) with SMTP id MAA07870 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smgd0.fi.gs.com by gs.com (4.1/GOLDMAN-1.0) id AA08643; Wed, 26 Jun 96 12:59:05 EDT Received: from dumbo.fi.gs.com by smgd0.fi.gs.com (4.1/SMI-4.2 (FI mail hub V3.1)) id AA21207; Wed, 26 Jun 96 12:57:37 EDT Received: by dumbo.fi.gs.com (4.1/FIclient-2.8) id AA29660; Wed, 26 Jun 96 12:57:36 EDT Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 12:57:36 EDT Message-Id: <9606261257.ZM29658@dumbo.fi.gs.com> In-Reply-To: Yves-Chandler Eynard "Re: 755cx and virtual screens" (Jun 26, 10:52am) References: <31D14AA9.EE4AADD@mhv.net> <31D14EBF.5F6A1EE6@mhv.net> X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 15feb95) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 755cx and virtual screens Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have the same problem with my 560. The manual mentions the 1024x768 LCD virtual capabilty, but doesn't have any instructions on how to engage it. Thanks Jim Ahn jim.ahn@gs.com On Jun 26, 10:52am, Yves-Chandler Eynard wrote: > Subject: Re: 755cx and virtual screens > I have a 755cx with the svga display. > > In the past I was able to have a virtual 1024x768 display using IBM's > display driver. I worked in OS/2, Windows 3.11, and Win95 (after a > reformat and reinstall of either of those systems). > > Now on the latest install of win95 I can't remember how I got this to > work in the past. When I choose the icon for the display manager (or > whatever it's called) the section for lcd is greyed out. (I did choose > the lcd in the display type). > > What am I forgetting? > > Thanks in advance > > -- > Yves-Chandler Eynard > yves@mhv.net > > OCTET International >-- End of excerpt from Yves-Chandler Eynard From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 13:35:40 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19730; Wed, 26 Jun 96 13:35:40 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21913; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:33:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:31:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21661; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:31:25 -0400 Received: from is.nyu.edu (root@IS.NYU.EDU [128.122.253.134]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21652; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:31:01 -0400 Received: from NDPC46.NR.ACF.NYU.EDU by is.nyu.edu; (5.65v3.0/1.1.8.2/23Sep94-1121PM) id AA10742; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:30:52 -0400 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960626172959.00686db4@is.nyu.edu> X-Sender: mdk1143@is.nyu.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:29:59 -0400 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Klenner Subject: Re: Carrying 'Pads At 12:54 PM 6/26/96 -0400, you wrote: >| I have a question for all of you 760 series owners out there, and toshiba >| tecra owners may comment as well. I realize this is a subjective >| evaluation, but I wonder what you all think about the weight of these >| machines. Is it so heavy that a student carrying one across campus would >| quickly experience shoulder fatigue? Have any of you tried carrying the 760 >| with nothing in the floppy/cdrom bay to save weight, and does it seem to >| make much of a difference? I would love to have one of these machines, but >| i'm afraid that I would be sorry the first time I walked across campus with >| it. Most of the people I've read comments from seem to be using notebooks >| in business settings, so weight may not be as much an issue, or maybe it is. >| Any thoughts would be appreciated. I've got both a 760 and a slightly heavier 755cx. I carry them routinely without fatigue. In fact, I use a fairly bulky carry case as well. Of course, some people fatigued more easily than others. You might look into getting yourself a special laptop backback. I have one from CompuAID which looks exactly like a normal Jansport type bookbag and is not labeled, so it won't attract theives. Inside, it has a custom pocket which holds a ThinkPad firmly. There is also room for accessories, and/or books and such. Such an arrangement offers an inconspicuous method for transporting your machine, and it's no different than carrying a bookbag, so if you can do that, you can do this. -Mike --- Michael Klenner East: klennerm@is.nyu.edu New York University West: mklenner@pacificnet.net Tisch School of the Arts http://pages.nyu.edu/~mdk1143 Institute of Film & Television talk: michael@24frames.com --- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 13:47:12 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19980; Wed, 26 Jun 96 13:47:12 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22894; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:44:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:42:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22721; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:42:32 -0400 Received: from ux7.cso.uiuc.edu (pantazis@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu [128.174.5.46]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22715; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:42:30 -0400 Received: (from pantazis@localhost) by ux7.cso.uiuc.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) id MAA124636; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:42:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 12:42:19 -0500 (CDT) From: Dennis Pantazis X-Sender: pantazis@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu To: Michael Klenner Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Carrying 'Pads In-Reply-To: <2.2.32.19960626172959.00686db4@is.nyu.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I carry a 701 in my bookbag to school everyday, my only regret is that things like the floppy and charger when I need them are a pain to carry. since the 701 is roughtly the size of a notebook (8.5 x 11) it fits nicely in a small bag, but the rest just doen't pack anywhere right when you get down too it, the is little differnce in 4 lbs to 6 lbs whencarrying a bag, I would be more concerned with where all the rest of the stuff goes, mostly a concern for those of us who have 701s where everything else is external Dennis -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dennis Pantazis My opinions are my own, and can not be interpreted as extensions of the Graduate Student in Civil Engineering University's official policies, University of Illinois-Urbana until they decide my opinions are (the Extended Tour of Duty continues) profitable to the institution! You can see us at: http://www.students.uiuc.edu/~pantazis ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 14:50:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23182; Wed, 26 Jun 96 14:50:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29494; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:49:27 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:46:25 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29006; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:46:23 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (ts700-702.singnet.com.sg [165.21.110.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA28974; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:46:12 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (uucp@localhost) by lugs.org.sg (8.7.1/8.7.3) with UUCP id CAA06356; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 02:01:36 +0800 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0uYyrF-0002AtC; Thu, 27 Jun 96 01:58 SST Received: (from elvintan@localhost) by dupre.lugs.org.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA00195; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 01:48:25 +0800 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 01:48:25 +0800 (SGT) From: Alf To: Michael Verne/VENTANA Cc: tp750 Subject: Re: 760 quandry In-Reply-To: <9606261656.AA5090@lgate.vmedia.com> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > "...The good news: The sound is sound blaster pro compatible, no trouble with > any games...." > ~~~~~ > if i'm not mistaken, it's actually a creative labs chipset. it even runs > macromedia viewer files, which i've found to be an even more stringent > sb-compatability test than doom or heretic. Well from what I know, Linux is EXTREMELY stringent for sb compatability. I have a TP701C which has an ES688 chipset, the specs say it is sb compatible. But I realise it is only software compatible, it is NOT hard ware compatible. I requires standard SB init. codes to set it to SB mode. Not too sure about the 760. What's the chipset ? Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 14:50:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA23187; Wed, 26 Jun 96 14:50:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29479; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:49:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:47:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29070; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:47:06 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (ts700-702.singnet.com.sg [165.21.110.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA29027; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:46:28 -0400 Received: from lugs.org.sg (uucp@localhost) by lugs.org.sg (8.7.1/8.7.3) with UUCP id CAA06357; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 02:01:36 +0800 Received: by lugs.org.sg (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #7) id m0uYywm-0002AtC; Thu, 27 Jun 96 02:04 SST Received: (from elvintan@localhost) by dupre.lugs.org.sg (8.6.12/8.6.9) id BAA00222; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 01:55:25 +0800 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 01:55:24 +0800 (SGT) From: Alf To: Dennis Pantazis Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: Carrying 'Pads In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > I carry a 701 in my bookbag to school everyday, my only regret is that > things like the floppy and charger when I need them are a pain to carry. > since the 701 is roughtly the size of a notebook (8.5 x 11) it fits > nicely in a small bag, but the rest just doen't pack anywhere right > when you get down too it, the is little differnce in 4 lbs to 6 lbs > whencarrying a bag, I would be more concerned with where all the rest of > the stuff goes, mostly a concern for those of us who have 701s where > everything else is external Yeah, 4 lbs is ok, but when U add cables, floppy, extra batteries. I usually travel around with the printer cable, lap-link cables and extra NiMh batteries. If only they made a REAL bag for sub-notebook, one that is small and tight.... I managed to rip a bag built for a Sega Game Gear (Took out the plastic molds for the carts and game gear) and fits the TP701, and a choice of battery/charger or floppy.. It's called a Zip Case and cost me on S$15 Elvin -- +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | elvintan@dupre.lugs.org.sg Finger alf@pacific.net.sg for PGP Public key | | Public Key fingerprint - 2C F5 0A A6 61 A9 3C 1B DE E4 48 2F F8 34 37 B0 | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 16:06:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27621; Wed, 26 Jun 96 16:06:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07343; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:05:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:03:18 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07165; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:03:16 -0400 Received: from interramp.com (pop3.interramp.com [38.8.32.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA07153; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:03:13 -0400 Received: from us027545.interramp.com by interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-pop-local) id QAA15662; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:03:10 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:03:10 -0400 Message-Id: <199606262003.QAA15662@interramp.com> X-Sender: us027545@pop3.interramp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Mark Bell Subject: Re: Carrying your notebook At 11:36 AM 6/26/96 -0500, you wrote: >I have a question for all of you 760 series owners out there, and toshiba >tecra owners may comment as well. I realize this is a subjective >evaluation, but I wonder what you all think about the weight of these >machines. Is it so heavy that a student carrying one across campus would >quickly experience shoulder fatigue? Have any of you tried carrying the 760 >with nothing in the floppy/cdrom bay to save weight, and does it seem to >make much of a difference? I would love to have one of these machines, but >i'm afraid that I would be sorry the first time I walked across campus with >it. Most of the people I've read comments from seem to be using notebooks >in business settings, so weight may not be as much an issue, or maybe it is. >Any thoughts would be appreciated. I carry a 760C w/ the manual, power adapter, battery, ethernet gunk all in a Targus backpack. It isn't really that heavy carrying it this way. I've also carried it in a Kensington compact shoulder case, and again, it didn't seem that bad. Albeit, I'm 6'4" 225 and I lift and run, but I still haven't really felt any strain or annoyance. With the backpack, though, I wouldn't try to break out in a full run. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - C:\Mark_Bell\800_College_Drive_#104\Vineland_NJ\08360\6093274029 My toys: P133, TP 760C, Saturn, PSX, TurboDuo, Sega w/CD, SNES - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 17:48:44 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04079; Wed, 26 Jun 96 17:48:44 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18599; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:48:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:45:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18167; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:45:19 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA18160; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:45:16 -0400 From: Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id VAA05890 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:45:13 GMT Received: from slip166-72-214-91.ca.us.ibm.net(166.72.214.91) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaWd4C92; Wed Jun 26 21:44:53 1996 Received: by slip166-72-214-91.ca.us.ibm.net (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0056; Wed, 26 Jun 96 14:47:55 -0700 Message-Id: <9606262147.AA0056@slip166-72-214-91.ca.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 14:41:56 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: laniear@ibm.net Subject: How tough? X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <50_88_1_835814516> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a 701C Thinkpad (DX4/75, 24meg, 1GB) which I've had since April and I've been wondering how tough these things actually are. I'm thinking about things like should I hold my breath when booting if it slips out of my hand and lands hard on a desk, or should I not worry unless it falls down a flight of stairs. Any war stories out there? Thanks, Lee ||--------------------------------------------------------|| || Lee Laniear || || laniear@ibm.net OR laniear@netcom.com || || "Treat people in your debt like family, exploit them" || || 63rd Ferengi Rule of of Acquisition || ||--------------------------------------------------------|| From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 17:58:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04559; Wed, 26 Jun 96 17:58:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19486; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:57:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:56:38 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19385; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:56:36 -0400 Received: from host1.redrose.net (host1.redrose.net [204.249.184.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA19379; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:56:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199606262156.RAA19379@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: (qmail-queue invoked from smtpd); 26 Jun 1996 21:59:25 -0000 Received: from l115.redrose.net (205.246.85.48) by host1.redrose.net with SMTP; 26 Jun 1996 21:59:24 -0000 From: "Robt. Miller" To: "Thinkpad Listserver" Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 17:56:25 Reply-To: "Robt. Miller" Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Robert Miller's Registered PMMail 1.5 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: How tough? >Any war stories out there? Mine fell from thigh-height to a lineoleum floor while closed. A few keys fell off and no mark on the case. -13013 From owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU Wed Jun 26 18:17:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA05257; Wed, 26 Jun 96 18:17:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA13671; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:01:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:58:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13099; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:58:36 -0400 Received: from baker.cnw.com (root@baker.cnw.com [206.40.133.20]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA13076; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 16:58:18 -0400 Received: from cnw.com (skag2-08.cnw.com [206.40.133.78]) by baker.cnw.com (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA03231 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 13:57:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199606262057.NAA03231@baker.cnw.com> From: Vicky Stables Date: Fri, 21 Jun 96 08:30:35 +0100 To: THINKPAD@CS.UTK.EDU Subject: Re: 701s available In-Reply-To: <199606201718.KAA11287@eng5.sequent.com> X-Mailer: MR/2 Internet Cruiser Edition for OS/2 v1.03 In <199606201718.KAA11287@eng5.sequent.com>, on 06/20/96 at 10:18 AM, Pat Mason said: Well, I don't know if this will help, but I'll throw it in the pot anyway. I goofed when I bought a 701cs for my husband. I love it, but his eyes have trouble with the passive matrix screen. I should have spent the extra and gotten the active matrix. I would be interested in selling/trading+cash or whatever. I have: 701cs dx4-75 720mb hd 16 mb ram [or would sell with 8 and keep module] 2 months old, warranty transferrable currently running Windows 3.11 and OS/2 Warp with Boot Manager all original accessories, manuals, disks NiMH battery If I were to sell it, I would have to find a source for a similarly equipped 701C. >So far only 1 person has responded to this mail. c'mon, help us out. >Pat >> >> Mark, let's see what shakes out. >> >> I'm thinking of selling my 701C and need a frame of reference for >> price. What's it worth? >> >> >> IBM Thinkpad Model 701C >> Active matrix color - "butterfly" keyboard >> DX4-75Mhz >> 24MB RAM (8MB + 16MB option) >> 540MB hard drive (stacked) >> PCMCIA Ethernet adapter >> Leather case >> warranty good through 6/12/98 >> >> Currently running: >> Microsoft DOS 6.22 >> Windows For Workgroups 3.11 >> >> > >> > >> > I am thinking that I missed the boat, but does anyone know where I can >> > get a hold of a 701. I am looking for one for my sister. >> > >> > Mark M. Ingerman >> > Creative Software Solutions, Inc. >> > ingerman@cs2.com >> > (508) 394-5899 >> > >> Vicky -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Vicky Stables ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 19:33:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09079; Wed, 26 Jun 96 19:33:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26481; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:33:09 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:31:21 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26334; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:31:19 -0400 Received: from balder.ssds.com (balder.ssds.com [204.131.72.62]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA26324; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:31:14 -0400 Received: (from mail@localhost) by balder.ssds.com (8.6.9/8.6.9.SSDSnet-hub) id RAA13323 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:31:10 -0600 Received: from denver(134.127.16.1) by balder via smap (V1.3) id sma013320; Wed Jun 26 17:30:57 1996 Received: by denver.ssds.com id RAA11123; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 17:30:52 -0600 (MDT) From: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com (Christopher Liljenstolpe) To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: 1.3+ GB HD for TP755CE Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:30:04 GMT Sender: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com Organization: SSDS, Inc. Reply-To: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com Message-Id: <31d1c76d.4689567@denver.ssds.com> X-Mailer: Forte Agent .99e/32.227 Greetings, Can anyone recomend a good vendor for hi-cap hard drives for the 755 series? I am looking for at least 1.3 GB (I have heard rummors that 2.0 GB are available, now). Also, what is the going market price? -=Chris -- ( ( | ( Chris Liljenstolpe ) ) (| ), inc. SSDS, Inc; 8400 Normandale Lake Blvd.; Suite 993 business driven Bloomington, MN 55437; technology solutions TEL 612.921.2392 FAX 612.921.2395 Fram Fram Free! PGP Key 1024/E8546BD5 FE 43 BD A6 3C 13 6C DB 89 B3 E4 A1 BF 6D 2A A9 From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 19:47:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09477; Wed, 26 Jun 96 19:47:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27521; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:46:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:45:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27353; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:45:17 -0400 Received: from martigny.ai.mit.edu (martigny.ai.mit.edu [18.43.0.152]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA27347; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 19:45:15 -0400 Received: from slip-cph.lcs.mit.edu by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09287; Wed, 26 Jun 96 19:44:58 -0400 Received: by omerie.ai.mit.edu (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/1.0um) id AA0132; Wed, 26 Jun 96 19:44:50 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 19:44:50 -0400 From: Chris Hanson Message-Id: <9606262344.AA0132@omerie.ai.mit.edu> To: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <31d1c76d.4689567@denver.ssds.com> (chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com) Subject: 1.3+ GB HD for TP755CE X-Mailer: Edwin [version 3.91, MIT Scheme Release 7.5a] From: chris.liljenstolpe@ssds.com (Christopher Liljenstolpe) Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:30:04 GMT Can anyone recomend a good vendor for hi-cap hard drives for the 755 series? I am looking for at least 1.3 GB (I have heard rummors that 2.0 GB are available, now). Also, what is the going market price? I purchased a 1.2G drive from Sigma Data not long ago; sorry I don't remember the price offhand. They gave me a call a couple of weeks ago saying they now have 2G drives. They are a good source for drives with cases, not as cheap as buying your own and installing it, but reasonably priced. Their phone is 800/446-4525. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 21:22:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12851; Wed, 26 Jun 96 21:22:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04955; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:21:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:19:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04676; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:19:12 -0400 Received: from smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net [165.87.194.252]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id VAA04670; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 21:19:10 -0400 From: Received: (from uucp@localhost) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net (8.6.9/8.6.9) id BAA25738 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:19:07 GMT Received: from slip166-72-214-67.ca.us.ibm.net(166.72.214.67) by smtp-gw01.ny.us.ibm.net via smap (V1.3mjr) id smaSlkDM2; Thu Jun 27 01:18:50 1996 Received: by slip166-72-214-67.ca.us.ibm.net (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.14/2.12um) id AA0066; Wed, 26 Jun 96 18:21:56 -0700 Message-Id: <9606270121.AA0066@slip166-72-214-67.ca.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 18:07:32 To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Reply-To: laniear@ibm.net Subject: Re: How tough? X-Mailer: Ultimedia Mail/2 Lite, IBM T. J. Watson Research Center Content-Id: <64_88_1_835826852> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jack, Actually, I bought the 701 with the 540MB drive because I couldn't find one with the 720MB drive. My local IBM PSP rep told me about Sigma Data which makes 1.088GB drives specifically for the 701's. The drives have a three year warranty and are servicable by IBM or EasyDerv under your ThinkPad warranty. The 1GB drive is $995 (not cheap - but what are you going to do if you need the extra space?). Sigma is up in your neck of the woods; New London, Hew Hampshire (603-526-6909); if you talk to someone named Trudy tell her I said hello (very pleasent person). They have a two page FAX they can send you with all the techincal info. Hope this helps, Lee > > At 02:41 PM 6/26/96 +0000, you wrote: > >I have a 701C Thinkpad (DX4/75, 24meg, 1GB) which I've had since April and > I've been > ^^^1 gb? did I read that right? > how did you manage to get a 1 gb drive in there? I thought the biggest one > that came > with it is only 720 megs. is this the new toshiba drive? if so, where did > you get the caddy/adapter thingy? I sure would like to put a 1gb drive in > my 701. > > thanks! > Jack > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > Jack Shu jshu@ecs.umass.edu > University of Massachusetts > College of Engineering > ..::''''::.. > .:::. .;'' ``;. > .... ::::: :: :: :: :: > ,;' .;: :: ..: `:::' :: :: :: :: > ::. ..:,:;.,:;. .. :: .::::. `:' :: .:' :: :: `:. :: > '''::, :: :: :: :: :: ;: .:: : :: : : :: > ,:'; ::; :: :: :: :: :: ::,::''. . :: `:. .:' :: > `:,,,,;;' ,;; ,;;, ;;, ,;;, ,;;, `:,,,,:' :;: `;..``::::''..;' > ``::,,,,::'' > > o \ o / _ o __| \ / |__ o _ \ o / o > /|\ | /\ ___\o \o | o/ o/__ /\ | /|\ > / \ / \ | \ /) | ( \ /o\ / ) | (\ / | / \ / \ > > > > ||-----------------------------------------|| || Lee Laniear || || laniear@ibm.net OR laniear@netcom.com || || "Free advice is seldom cheap" || || 69th Ferengi Rule of of Acquisition || ||------------------ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Wed Jun 26 23:01:33 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15779; Wed, 26 Jun 96 23:01:33 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA12508; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:00:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:57:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12205; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:57:27 -0400 Received: from smtp1.interramp.com (smtp1.interramp.com [38.8.45.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id WAA12199; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:57:24 -0400 Received: from .interramp.com by smtp1.interramp.com (8.6.12/SMI-4.1.3-PSI-irsmtp) id WAA01145; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 22:57:20 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 96 19:53:40 PDT From: Fred Peters To: tp750@cs.utk.edu X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Mailer: Chameleon 4.6, TCP/IP for Windows, NetManage Inc. Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, Does anyone know what voltage (3v or 5v) are used in the 755CE Sodimm with adapter. Thanks Fred From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 27 00:23:30 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA18916; Thu, 27 Jun 96 00:23:30 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA19050; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:22:55 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:21:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18911; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:21:00 -0400 Received: from ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp (firewall-user@ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp [202.32.89.10]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id AAA18902; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 00:20:55 -0400 Received: by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp; id NAA26943; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:20:44 +0900 Received: from unknown(192.168.254.20) by ocgw.ig.omron.co.jp via smap (g3.0.3) id xma026925; Thu, 27 Jun 96 13:20:30 +0900 Received: by ig.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-ocgwin) id NAA09476; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:21:36 +0900 Received: by hamlet.wg.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb-o2.0/2.8Wb-hamlet) id NAA17295; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:20:29 +0900 Received: by othello.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp (8.6.8+2.4Wb/2.8Wb-othello) id NAA22780; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:20:26 +0900 From: Jeffrey Friedl Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:20:20 +0900 Message-Id: <199606270420.NAA00315@tubby.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp.nff.ncl.omron.co.jp> To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <9606262147.AA0056@slip166-72-214-91.ca.us.ibm.net> (laniear@ibm.net) Subject: Re: How tough? Reply-To: jfriedl@omron.co.jp laniear wrote: |> hold my breath when booting if it slips out of my hand and lands hard on |> a desk, or should I not worry unless it falls down a flight of stairs. I have dropped a ThinkPad down a flight of concrete steps. I can guaranttee that it's an unplesant experience. ``Just say No'' Jeffrey ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeffrey Friedl Omron Corp, Nagaokakyo, Kyoto 617 Japan See my Jap<->Eng dictionary at http://www.wg.omron.co.jp/cgi-bin/j-e or at mirrors at [enterprise.ic.gc.ca] and [www.itc.omron.com] From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 27 01:18:37 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26135; Thu, 27 Jun 96 01:18:37 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA22138; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:17:51 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:16:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21993; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:16:38 -0400 Received: from tec.oz.cc.utah.edu (root@tec.oz.cc.utah.edu [155.99.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id BAA21987; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 01:16:36 -0400 Received: from cor.oz.cc.utah.edu (root@cor-oz [155.99.2.2]) by tec.oz.cc.utah.edu (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id XAA03309 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:16:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ctsasync29.cc.utah.edu (ctsasync29.cc.utah.edu [155.99.156.29]) by cor.oz.cc.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id XAA00340 for ; Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:16:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199606270516.XAA00340@cor.oz.cc.utah.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Joseph Pereira" Organization: University of Utah To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 23:12:56 -0600 Subject: 750c LIST ADD Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) This is my 4th request to be added to the mailing list. I've also tried the REQUEST address...no response. Someone please relay this request to the proper person(s). Thanks, Joseph Pereira G.Oertli@m.cc.utah.edu "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare, Act IV, Scene II, Henry VI From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 27 12:48:24 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00623; Thu, 27 Jun 96 12:48:24 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01213; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:47:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:43:12 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00724; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:43:09 -0400 Received: from netcom5.netcom.com (phr@netcom5.netcom.com [192.100.81.113]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA00718; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:43:05 -0400 Received: (from phr@localhost) by netcom5.netcom.com (8.6.13/Netcom) id JAA16078; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:43:02 -0700 Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 09:43:02 -0700 From: phr@netcom.com (Paul Rubin) Message-Id: <199606271643.JAA16078@netcom5.netcom.com> To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: re: weight on shoulders I have a question for all of you 760 series owners out there, and toshiba tecra owners may comment as well. I realize this is a subjective evaluation, but I wonder what you all think about the weight of these machines. Is it so heavy that a student carrying one across campus would quickly experience shoulder fatigue? Whether you experience shoulder fatigue depends mostly on your build and upper body strength. I am slender and get shoulder fatigue from anything weighing more than a couple of pounds, i.e. even just a few odds and ends in a daypack. The solution is to use a fanny pack, so that the weight is carried by your hips rather than your shoulders, as with a hiking-style backpack. I use a Dana Designs "Gallatin" which is extremely well built, has an internal frame, and fits my 755cx snugly. They have some bigger models called the Madison and Jefferson that can hold a a 3-ring binder (the Gallatin is a bit too small for that). Jandd Mountaineering and Mountainsmith also make packs like this. They are on the expensive side ($75+), but they are incredibly comfortable. I use my Gallatin instead of a daypack all the time, both for hiking and carrying stuff around town. I hardly notice the weight even walking around all day. Dana Designs is in Bozeman, Montana; if you call them (get # from directory assistance), they should be able to send you a catalog which has pictures of these packs. They are one of the top backpack manufacturers (I bought the Gallatin because I have a Dana backpack and love it) though their stuff is a bit overpriced. Jandd and Mountainsmith probably have catalogs too, but I don't know where they're located. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 27 12:48:26 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00625; Thu, 27 Jun 96 12:48:26 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA01209; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:47:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:35:10 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29976; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:35:07 -0400 Received: from ruprecht.prz.tu-berlin.de (michey@[130.149.62.191]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA29953; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:35:01 -0400 Message-Id: <199606271635.MAA29953@CS.UTK.EDU> Received: by ruprecht.prz.tu-berlin.de (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA09715; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 18:35:09 +0200 From: Michael Eyrich Subject: Re: Carrying Laps To: gramlijf@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu (James Gramling) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 18:35:09 +0200 (MEST) Cc: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu In-Reply-To: <01I6D31P0PSI8X9PCZ@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu> from "James Gramling" at Jun 26, 96 11:36:58 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 ME8b] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe you should take a helium filled ballon which carries the lap? | | I have a question for all of you 760 series owners out there, and toshiba | tecra owners may comment as well. I realize this is a subjective | evaluation, but I wonder what you all think about the weight of these | machines. Is it so heavy that a student carrying one across campus would | quickly experience shoulder fatigue? Have any of you tried carrying the 760 | with nothing in the floppy/cdrom bay to save weight, and does it seem to | make much of a difference? I would love to have one of these machines, but | i'm afraid that I would be sorry the first time I walked across campus with | it. Most of the people I've read comments from seem to be using notebooks | in business settings, so weight may not be as much an issue, or maybe it is. | Any thoughts would be appreciated. | | Jim gramling | regards Michael --------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Michael Eyrich Technische Universitaet Berlin, Deutschland * * michey@{cs,prz}.tu-berlin.de Fachbereich Informatik (13) * * Tel: 030 / 314 26 713 He 104 (Galerie) Prozessrechenzentrum TU Berlin * --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 27 13:00:50 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04873; Thu, 27 Jun 96 13:00:50 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02535; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:59:30 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:58:14 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02322; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:58:10 -0400 Received: from dmog10.bell.ca (dmog10.bell.ca [198.235.69.18]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02297; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:57:59 -0400 Received: from dcoc41.qc.bell.ca (dcoc41.qc.bell.ca [142.119.11.11]) by dmog10.bell.ca with ESMTP id MAA13168; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:55:57 -0400 Received: from dcocps.qc.bell.ca (dcocps.QC.Bell.CA [198.235.99.39]) by dcoc41.qc.bell.ca with SMTP id MAA00454; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:52:42 -0400 Received: from CMXC5Q (cmxc5q.QC.Bell.CA) by dcocps.qc.bell.ca (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA16882; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:55:54 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960627165730.00fa0ae4@quepop.qc.bell.ca> X-Sender: etrepani@quepop.qc.bell.ca X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:57:30 -0400 To: gramlijf@ctrvax.Vanderbilt.Edu From: Eric Trepanier Subject: Re: Cc: Lee Hetherington , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu At 12:54 PM 26/06/96 -0400, you wrote: >| I have a question for all of you 760 series owners out there, and toshiba >| tecra owners may comment as well. I realize this is a subjective >| evaluation, but I wonder what you all think about the weight of these >| machines. [...] > >I carry a 760C every day to/from work, which includes walking to/from >subway and train stations. I carry it in a bag with a shoulder strap. >It is fairly heavy, but it doesn't really bother me. I do notice it a >bit more when I have two batteries installed. > >The floppy drive is so light that I don't think you would notice the >difference between an empty bay and a floppy in the bay. > >Overall, I don't mind the weight. > > Lee Hetherington > ilh@lcs.mit.edu > Ditto here, I have a 760CD, that I usually carry alone with the CD player (not the floppy, and no extra battery). Also, I have a Dock II at the office, so I leave my AC adaptor at home. I have a 20 minutes walk to and from the office everyday. The 760CD *is* a bit heavy, but I don't mind it. Eric etrepani@qc.bell.ca From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 27 13:01:04 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA04881; Thu, 27 Jun 96 13:01:04 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02549; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:59:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:58:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02380; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:58:32 -0400 Received: from Princeton.EDU (root@Princeton.EDU [128.112.128.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id MAA02361; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:58:27 -0400 Received: from dvorak.Princeton.EDU by Princeton.EDU (5.65b/2.125/princeton) id AA10847; Thu, 27 Jun 96 12:55:12 -0400 Received: by dvorak.Princeton.EDU (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/940406.SGI.AUTO) for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu id MAA18165; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:55:11 -0400 From: "Gabor J.Toth" Message-Id: <9606271255.ZM18163@princeton.edu> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 12:55:11 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.1 6apr95 MediaMail) To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: resume alarm Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi folks, I have a TP-701 and I'm looking for some means of setting its resume alarm (that can bring it out from suspend at a given time) *from software*. You can set this alarm from the BIOS setup menu OK but that won't do for me for a number of reasons (let me not list them). My question is, does anyone know of any program that can set the alarm? Better yet, does anyone know what BIOS function call can be used to set it? Or even better, does anyone know where to get a full BIOS call specification? Any help will be warmly welcome. -,- - - -,- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Gabor J.Toth jtoth@princeton.edu http://www.princeton.edu/~jtoth - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Thu Jun 27 14:01:29 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA09262; Thu, 27 Jun 96 14:01:29 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08489; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:59:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:56:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08248; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:56:45 -0400 Received: from hal.com (hal.COM [192.88.244.33]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA08229; Thu, 27 Jun 1996 13:56:41 -0400 Received: by hal.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.1) id AA25115; Thu, 27 Jun 96 10:56:37 PDT Received: from bomber.hal.com(148.57.51.36) by hal.com via smap (V1.3) id sma025102; Thu Jun 27 10:56:25 1996 Received: by bomber.hal.com (4.1/SMI-4.1.2) id AA14002; Thu, 27 Jun 96 10:56:22 PDT From: sherred@hal.com (Jonathan Sherred) Message-Id: <9606271756.AA14002@bomber.hal.com> Subject: Re: resume alarm To: jtoth@Princeton.EDU (Gabor J.Toth) Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 10:34:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <9606271255.ZM18163@princeton.edu> from "Gabor J.Toth" at Jun 27, 96 12:55:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: sherred@hal.com I am bothered by the same problem. I bought my 701C from PC Connection around August of last year. I know these two things. Lotus Organizer doesn't do it. (Shameful since IBM owns Lotus.) Sidekick doesn't do it. When you get the info, I'm also interested. Its obvious that a calendar program should manage this setting so the laptop will come out of resume to issue a reminder. I spent a lot of time on the phone with IBM support about this. They really weren't very helpful. They knew of no available software for this and couldn't put me in touch with anyone who knew the right calls. I just subscribed and I expect this list will be much more useful. They suggested leaving the laptop on all of the time. In theory this is fine since the "auto" settings should minimize power use. In practice, I have noticed that the audio circuitry doesn't turn itself off when not in use. Yesterday I updated the BIOS to the current rev and I haven't checked to see if anything has changed. Please pardon if I'm repeating past info. I haven't checked the archive yet. Does anyone with a 701C notice that sometimes the battery is dead when you don't expect it to be ? New BIOS may address this - that's why I upgraded. Gabor J.Toth writes... > > Hi folks, > > I have a TP-701 and I'm looking for some means of setting its resume > alarm (that can bring it out from suspend at a given time) *from > software*. You can set this alarm from the BIOS setup menu OK but that > won't do for me for a number of reasons (let me not list them). My > question is, does anyone know of any program that can set the alarm? > Better yet, does anyone know what BIOS function call can be used to set > it? Or even better, does anyone know where to get a full BIOS call > specification? > > Any help will be warmly welcome. > > -,- - - -,- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Gabor J.Toth jtoth@princeton.edu http://www.princeton.edu/~jtoth > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > -- Jonathan Sherred office phone: (408) 341-5248 sherred@hal.com http://www.hal.com/users/sherred/ HAL Computer Systems Silicon Valley - Campbell, CA, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 28 10:36:34 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27562; Fri, 28 Jun 96 10:36:34 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18815; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:34:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:26:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18038; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:26:54 -0400 Received: from tec.oz.cc.utah.edu (root@tec.oz.cc.utah.edu [155.99.16.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id KAA18026; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 10:26:50 -0400 Received: from gos.oz.cc.utah.edu (root@gos-oz [155.99.2.3]) by tec.oz.cc.utah.edu (8.7.5/8.7.1) with ESMTP id IAA13126 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:26:40 -0600 (MDT) Received: from ctsasync61.cc.utah.edu (ctsasync61.cc.utah.edu [155.99.156.61]) by gos.oz.cc.utah.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id IAA23869 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:26:38 -0600 (MDT) Message-Id: <199606281426.IAA23869@gos.oz.cc.utah.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Joseph" Organization: University of Utah To: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 08:24:12 -0600 Subject: 750c DRIVERS Priority: normal X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v2.40) Can someone please tell me the latest version drivers for the 750c, and where I can obtain them?? Many thanks, Joseph G.Oertli@m.cc.utah.edu "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." - Shakespeare, Act IV, Scene II, Henry VI From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 28 16:16:49 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA20193; Fri, 28 Jun 96 16:16:49 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA16984; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:14:01 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:05:03 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15779; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:05:00 -0400 Received: from dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id QAA15773; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 16:04:58 -0400 Received: from mgros (sjx-ca30-14.ix.netcom.com [204.31.235.174]) by dfw-ix1.ix.netcom.com (8.6.13/8.6.12) with SMTP id NAA15270 for ; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 13:04:20 -0700 Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960628200908.002ad530@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: mhgross@popd.ix.netcom.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 13:09:08 -0700 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Michael Gross Subject: 755C Hard Drive/IDE Adapter? Could someone steer me to a source for the IDE adapter which will allow me to mount the Thinkpad hard drive into a desktop system? Thanks in advance/Michael From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 28 18:35:42 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA11128; Fri, 28 Jun 96 18:35:42 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29438; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 18:34:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 28 Jun 1996 18:32:23 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29247; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 18:32:21 -0400 Received: from relay-4.mail.demon.net (relay-4.mail.demon.net [158.152.1.108]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA29240; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 18:32:08 -0400 Received: from post.demon.co.uk ([158.152.1.72]) by relay-4.mail.demon.net id ab16840; 28 Jun 96 22:29 GMT Received: from c4rv.demon.co.uk ([158.152.168.2]) by relay-3.mail.demon.net id aa21867; 28 Jun 96 20:58 +0100 Message-Id: <1m9n7CA1Qj0xEwpw@c4rv.demon.co.uk> Date: Thu, 27 Jun 1996 08:11:49 +0100 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Rajesh Varia Subject: Re: How tough? In-Reply-To: <9606262147.AA0056@slip166-72-214-91.ca.us.ibm.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike Version 1.12 In article <9606262147.AA0056@slip166-72-214-91.ca.us.ibm.net>, laniear@ibm.net writes >I have a 701C Thinkpad (DX4/75, 24meg, 1GB) which I've had since April and I've >been >wondering how tough these things actually are. I'm thinking about things like >should I >hold my breath when booting if it slips out of my hand and lands hard on a desk, >or >should I not worry unless it falls down a flight of stairs. > >Any war stories out there? > >Thanks, > >Lee From my experience, 701 do survive a drop onto a desktop and other rough handling. They don't like being dropped more that 4 feet (desktop level), though they can survive more than this if you are lucky (anybody want to try it ?). The problem seems to be the screen, the rest of the ThinkPad survives without problem (functions without problem), but the screen usually gets damaged and this is the most expensive part of the ThinkPad (ouch!). They most common method of dropping seems to be unzipped bags. Users put the ThinkPad in the bag, but don't zip it up while they sort out their papers. They then try and pick up the bags and whoops, the bags flops open and you usually have one damaged ThinkPad. -- Rajesh Varia raj@c4rv.demon.co.uk From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 28 19:38:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA15447; Fri, 28 Jun 96 19:38:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA03234; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 19:37:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 28 Jun 1996 19:34:26 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02931; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 19:34:23 -0400 Received: from rmii.com (root@rainbow.rmii.com [166.93.8.14]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id TAA02923; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 19:34:20 -0400 Received: from ssh.fibertron.com by rmii.com with smtp (Smail-3.1.29.1 #10) id m0uZn0b-001CFOC; Fri, 28 Jun 96 17:31 MDT Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960628233417.008c2010@[166.93.8.14]> X-Sender: ssh@[166.93.8.14] X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 17:34:17 -0600 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: Steve Hultquist Subject: 760ED odyssey Well, to close the book on this, I've decided to cancel my order for an ED and sit back and think about what I'm going to do next. We'll see if it's Toshiba or a Thinkpad later on. I'll give it until after my flurry of travel (September) and see what's available then. Anyone heard anything on the 13" screens? ssh -- Steve Hultquist Founder Worldwide Solutions, Inc. Web, Internet, LANs, WANs, Routing, Switching, Unix, PCs, NT, 95, OS/2 Network and systems provider for JavaOne http://www.wwsi.com/ 303.581.0800 Boulder, Colorado, USA From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Fri Jun 28 23:24:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA24276; Fri, 28 Jun 96 23:24:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17571; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 23:23:36 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Fri, 28 Jun 1996 23:20:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17232; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 23:20:03 -0400 Received: from earth.usa.net (wdunn@earth.usa.net [192.156.196.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA17208; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 23:19:58 -0400 Received: (from wdunn@localhost) by earth.usa.net (8.7.5/8.7.5) id VAA22434; Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:19:50 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 28 Jun 1996 21:19:49 -0600 (MDT) From: Will Dunn/Leopard Communications X-Sender: wdunn@earth To: Joseph Cc: THINKPAD@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: 750c DRIVERS In-Reply-To: <199606281426.IAA23869@gos.oz.cc.utah.edu> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII IBM's BBS: 919-517-0001 or, even better, their Web site, which, of course, I am unable to recall the exact URL, but www.ibm.com is a great start, then do a search on "750C" and "drivers." Good Luck --wwd Will Dunn Leopard Communications On Fri, 28 Jun 1996, Joseph wrote: > Can someone please tell me the latest version drivers for the 750c, > and where I can obtain them?? > Many thanks, > Joseph > > G.Oertli@m.cc.utah.edu > > "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." > - Shakespeare, Act IV, Scene II, Henry VI > From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 29 05:08:05 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA12119; Sat, 29 Jun 96 05:08:05 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA12264; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 05:07:28 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 29 Jun 1996 05:03:02 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11866; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 05:03:00 -0400 Received: from pointer.netpoint.net (pointer.netpoint.net [198.69.200.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id FAA11860; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 05:02:53 -0400 Received: from mailhub.netpoint.net (dppp13.netpoint.net [198.69.200.113]) by pointer.netpoint.net (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id EAA27401; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 04:55:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199606290855.EAA27401@pointer.netpoint.net> To: List 750 To: TP List X-Mailer: Post Road Mailer (Green Edition Ver 1.05f) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 05:02:09 EST From: Bill Schwartz Reply-To: Bill Schwartz Subject: TP750 Drivers Addressed to: List 750 TP List The best place to get all the current drivers for any TP model is ftp.pcco.ibm.com go into public then mobile and everything is there. Bill High Performance Cartridges Inc. PO BOX 545890 Surfside, Fl. 33154 Phone 1-305-868-8430 Fax 1-305-864-7367 URL: http://www.netpoint.net/hpcart/HPRAM.HTM Thinkpad Memory Systems From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 29 11:55:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26689; Sat, 29 Jun 96 11:55:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA14070; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 11:54:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 29 Jun 1996 11:49:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13483; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 11:49:22 -0400 Received: from upsmot01.msn.com (upsmot01.msn.com [204.95.110.78]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id LAA13477; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 11:49:19 -0400 Received: from upmajb04.msn.com ([204.95.110.81]) by upsmot01.msn.com (8.6.8.1/Configuration 4) with SMTP id IAA21511 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 08:41:07 -0700 Date: Sat, 29 Jun 96 15:44:53 UT From: "Ziggy Sanchez" Message-Id: To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Just received my 760ED! Hey Everyone, I just received my 760ED two days ago. I have been away from my office for the past couple of weeks so I had them send it to me overnight. I really havent had alot of time to put it through the paces yet but as soon as I get some time I'll let you know how it does. As far as the way it looks and feels I think its great. I've been waiting for a while to get this machine and so far I'm glad I did. Don't give up guys, miracles still happen. Zig From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 29 13:32:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA00600; Sat, 29 Jun 96 13:32:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20314; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 13:31:37 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 29 Jun 1996 13:28:49 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20039; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 13:28:47 -0400 Received: from pluto.sfsu.edu (hbv@pluto.sfsu.edu [130.212.10.168]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA20033; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 13:28:45 -0400 Received: (from hbv@localhost) by pluto.sfsu.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) id KAA20470; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 10:28:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 10:28:41 -0700 (PDT) From: VINCENT B HO X-Sender: hbv@pluto To: TP mailing list Subject: unsubscribe Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am graduating and my account will expire soon. Please unsubscribe me. I'll be back after getting a new account. V.  * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Vince B. Ho V Forza Fiorentina! 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To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:22:45 -0400 (EDT) In-Reply-To: from "owner-thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU" at Jun 29, 96 12:16:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text I have a 701 and was resting it on one of those "slide out" work surfaces some desks have above the drawers and bumped the surface from the bottom with my knee. The 701 was running at the time and went a couple of inches up and then back down to the surface (wood). It kept running, but soon after it made the sort of noise diskette drives make when they can't read a diskette - but this was the hard disk. After this episode, the machine refused to boot from the hard disk so I went to the boot floppies and reformatted the hard drive. It took it a long time to format and I have like 10M fewer disk space now...but no problem in months. -Ken From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 29 14:47:08 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA07906; Sat, 29 Jun 96 14:47:08 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25360; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:46:40 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:44:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25099; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:44:17 -0400 Received: from nile.gnat.com (NILE.GNAT.COM [205.232.38.5]) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id OAA25093; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 14:44:15 -0400 Received: by nile.gnat.com (5.0/1.20) id AA02501; Sat, 29 Jun 96 14:41:43 EDT Date: Sat, 29 Jun 96 14:41:43 EDT From: dewar@gnat.com (Robert Dewar) Message-Id: <9606291841.AA02501@nile.gnat.com> To: tp750@cs.utk.edu Subject: 760ED vs Tecra 720CDT (again, I am actually comparing a 760CD, assuming that it is similar in these particular respects). The Tecra has much sharper fall off in brightness to the sides. Head on, it is comparbly bright (maybe just a shade dimmer), but from the side it really falls offf fast -- could be a problem for a demo machine. The Tecra runs MUCH MUCH cooler, it has a fan, but I very rarely hear the fan on (you can set it to never turn on the fan and slow down the processor instead for conserving battery power if you want). The Tecra speakers are impressive looking, but in fact are poorer quality than the 760CD speakers. Still quite adequate for my purposes. From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 29 17:51:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14788; Sat, 29 Jun 96 17:51:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09420; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:49:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:41:22 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08632; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:41:19 -0400 Received: from maryvillecollege-01.campus.mci.net (maryvillecollege-01.campus.mci.net [204.71.75.225]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA08623; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:41:16 -0400 Received: from s21-pm08.tnstate.campus.mci.net (s21-pm08.tnstate.campus.mci.net [205.219.191.140]) by maryvillecollege-01.campus.mci.net (8.7.5/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA14033 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:41:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199606292141.RAA14033@maryvillecollege-01.campus.mci.net> X-Sender: zinab@maryvillecollege.campus.mci.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: zina bergman Subject: Hello and Please Help Hello, I am new to the list. My name is Zina Bergman and I am the Webmaster at Maryville College in Maryville, TN. I just recently acquired an IBM Thinkpad 750P with 12meg RAM, 2.88 floppy, 360meg harddrive and many other goodies. My only problem is the Windows for Pen was trashed by the previous owner and I didn't get any back-up disks. I have gotten no help from Microsoft and IBM wants my machine for a week and $170.00 of my hard earned cash. Does anyone have a copy of Windows for Pen? or know where I can get one without having to send the machine off? The machine also came with a Megahertz 14.4 fax/modem and an IBM etherlink II card -- both of which I do not need -- guess you could say they are up for sale -- best offer-- or trade for Windows for Pen. I'll go read the faq before I start asking questions -- look forward to being a part of this group. I can be reached at: datasys@maryvillecollege.edu webmaster@maryvillecollege.edu zinab@maryvillecollege.campus.mci.net zina bergman webmaster@maryvillecollege.edu From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 29 17:54:45 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA14797; Sat, 29 Jun 96 17:54:45 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09906; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:53:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:52:20 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09772; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:52:19 -0400 Received: from kirk.ecs.umass.edu (kirk.ecs.umass.edu [128.119.91.43]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id RAA09766; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:52:16 -0400 Received: from ecs.umass.edu (isp03.ecs.umass.edu [128.119.92.153]) by kirk.ecs.umass.edu (8.7/8.7) with SMTP id RAA27777 for ; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:52:02 -0400 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960629215427.0067dd18@kirk.ecs.umass.edu> X-Sender: jshu@kirk.ecs.umass.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:54:27 -0400 To: tp750@cs.utk.edu From: Jack Shu Subject: TP701 & Windows NT 3.51 anyone? Just wondering, has anyone installed win NT 3.51 on their 701's yet? does it work? does NT support the built in sound, modem, etc? can you still hibernate/suspend with win nt? I have about 20,000 very small files on the hard disk (about 1.2 to 2.5 k each) (720 meg hd) and it's wasting about 200 to 250 megs of disk space, I was thinking about formatting the drive to NTFS so each sector is only 512 bytes instead of 16k under FAT and leaving a 25 meg FAT partition for the hibernation file, anyone tried this? does it work? thanks! Jack ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- Jack Shu jshu@ecs.umass.edu University of Massachusetts College of Engineering ..::''''::.. .:::. .;'' ``;. .... ::::: :: :: :: :: ,;' .;: :: ..: `:::' :: :: :: :: ::. ..:,:;.,:;. .. :: .::::. `:' :: .:' :: :: `:. :: '''::, :: :: :: :: :: ;: .:: : :: : : :: ,:'; ::; :: :: :: :: :: ::,::''. . :: `:. .:' :: `:,,,,;;' ,;; ,;;, ;;, ,;;, ,;;, `:,,,,:' :;: `;..``::::''..;' ``::,,,,::'' o \ o / _ o __| \ / |__ o _ \ o / o /|\ | /\ ___\o \o | o/ o/__ /\ | /|\ / \ / \ | \ /) | ( \ /o\ / ) | (\ / | / \ / \ From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 29 18:25:47 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA16147; Sat, 29 Jun 96 18:25:47 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA12072; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 18:24:56 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 29 Jun 1996 18:23:24 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11955; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 18:23:23 -0400 Received: from vmedia.com (kells.vmedia.com [199.72.13.1]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id SAA11949; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 18:23:20 -0400 Received: from lgate.vmedia.com by vmedia.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4 kells.vmedia.com) id SAA00522; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 18:19:02 -0400 Received: by lgate.vmedia.com (IBM OS/2 SENDMAIL VERSION 1.3.2)/1.0) id AA0083; Sat, 29 Jun 96 18:17:42 -0700 Message-Id: <9606300117.AA0083@lgate.vmedia.com> Received: by ITP (Lotus Notes Mail Gateway for SMTP V1.1) id B86F789DD11627FE852563570074B9E4; Sat, 29 Jun 96 18:17:35 EDT To: Michael Gross Cc: tp750 From: Michael Verne/VENTANA Date: 28 Jun 96 17:16:28 EDT Subject: Re: 755C Hard Drive/IDE Adapter? X-Lotus-Type: Reply w/Signature Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain "...Could someone steer me to a source for the IDE adapter which will allow me to mount the Thinkpad hard drive into a desktop system?..." ~~~~~ call eric kurtz at small systems: 919/932-7884 x22 Michael J. Verne Computer Support Manager, VentanaCommunications Group michael_verne@vmedia.com http://www.vmedia.com/michaelv/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you board the wrong train, it's no use running along the corridor in the other direction. --Dietrich Bonhoeffer From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 29 20:09:15 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA19439; Sat, 29 Jun 96 20:09:15 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17478; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:08:35 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:06:47 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17269; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:06:45 -0400 Received: from dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (dragon.cnm.columbia.edu [128.59.192.114]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA17263; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:06:43 -0400 Received: from milou.jrn.columbia.edu (dialup211.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.36.211]) by dragon.cnm.columbia.edu (8.7.5/8.6.9/sed) with SMTP id UAA22707; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:06:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <2.2.32.19960630000637.008328f8@jrn.columbia.edu> X-Sender: yann@jrn.columbia.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.2 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:06:37 -0400 To: Jack Shu From: Yann Nicolas Subject: Re: TP701 & Windows NT 3.51 anyone? Cc: tp750@cs.utk.edu >Just wondering, has anyone installed win NT 3.51 on their 701's yet? does it >work? >does NT support the built in sound, modem, etc? >can you still hibernate/suspend with win nt? Not yet, but that's my ultimate goal for this machine. I even went out and got a big HD and 24 megs of RAM... I think I'll wait for 4.0 (just because I'm too used to the Win95 interface)... I'd definitely be interested by any 701/NT combo experiences... -- Yann Nicolas Systems Manager - Graduate School of Journalism, Columbia University yann@jrn.columbia.edu - http://www.jrn.columbia.edu/~yann/soccer.html From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 29 23:12:38 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA26395; Sat, 29 Jun 96 23:12:38 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28732; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 23:12:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 29 Jun 1996 23:09:00 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28345; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 23:08:57 -0400 Received: from eunice.Vinton.COM (eunice.Vinton.COM [204.179.185.2]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA28339; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 23:08:53 -0400 Received: (from mykle@localhost) by eunice.Vinton.COM (8.7.3/8.6.12) id UAA22520 for thinkpad@CS.UTK.EDU; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:07:57 -0700 (PDT) From: mykle hansen Message-Id: <199606300307.UAA22520@eunice.Vinton.COM> Subject: linux on the thinkpad 760 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:07:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit howdy. i ust got linux up on my thinkpad 760, but the only X configration that I can make work is the standard VGA resolution -- 640x480. the screen is 800x600, and i want to find or invent a workable XF86 Config file to use the full screen under X. has anybody already done this? Does anybody have any general advice on how to make the thinkpad screens interact with the XFree server? all of the standard screen configration stuff has to do with the inner details of cathode ray tubes, and none of it really applies to flat screens ... thanks for any advice, -mykle- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sat Jun 29 23:28:56 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA27223; Sat, 29 Jun 96 23:28:56 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29966; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 23:28:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sat, 29 Jun 1996 23:27:11 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29777; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 23:27:07 -0400 Received: from gemini.adnc.com (gemini.adnc.com [205.216.138.22]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id XAA29771; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 23:27:04 -0400 Received: from adnline23446.adnc.com by gemini.adnc.com (SMI-8.6/SVR4 Mailer ADN 1/96) id UAA13907; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:27:53 -0700 Received: by adnline23446.adnc.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BB65F9.76AE0A00@adnline23446.adnc.com>; Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:27:59 -0700 Message-Id: <01BB65F9.76AE0A00@adnline23446.adnc.com> From: Joshua Gerber To: "'TP'" Subject: 760E/NT Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 20:27:46 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Anyone out there have success with the 760E/NT Workstation combination? I'm having quite a bit of trouble getting the MWave modem to work, using = the newest Utility and MWave (v2.21) disks from the ftp site. In = addition, though the video works in 800x600x65k, during startup there = are several STOP errors generated by the trident driver. If anyone has any insights to my ordeal, a response is greatly = appreciated. Thanks. ~j From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 30 03:15:31 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA21879; Sun, 30 Jun 96 03:15:31 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12533; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 03:14:34 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 30 Jun 1996 03:11:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12231; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 03:11:00 -0400 Received: from psa.pencom.com (psa.pencom.com [204.217.199.13]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id DAA12225; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 03:10:57 -0400 Received: (from rickt@localhost) by psa.pencom.com (Hah!/nope) id CAA24177 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 02:10:48 -0500 (CDT) From: Rick Tait Message-Id: <199606300710.CAA24177@psa.pencom.com> Subject: NT 4.0 beta on TP755CX To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 02:10:46 -0500 (CDT) Reply-To: rickt@psa.pencom.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Anyone tried this combo? My TP 755CX as 40MB RAM, 540MB HD, and I'm thinking of trying it out on that instead of my desktop. Just wondered if anyones tried it? /rickt ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Rick Tait rickt@psa.pencom.com Unix cowboy, Technofuturist, Cryptoanarchist, Libertarian, Brit hacker ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 30 13:11:00 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17384; Sun, 30 Jun 96 13:11:00 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21620; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:10:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:04:57 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21181; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:04:56 -0400 Received: from mail.grove.ufl.edu (root@mail.grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21168; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:04:52 -0400 Received: from bay.grove.ufl.edu (root@bay [128.227.8.9]) by mail.grove.ufl.edu (8.7.5/8.6.10) with ESMTP id NAA08656 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:07:48 -0400 Received: from rosa (ppp-01-ts12.nerdc.ufl.edu [128.227.206.200]) by bay.grove.ufl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA27976 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:07:44 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:07:44 -0400 Message-Id: <199606301707.NAA27976@bay.grove.ufl.edu> X-Sender: ks@bay.grove.ufl.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: K A Sturrock Subject: Re: thinkpad digest for Sun, 30 Jun 1996 >Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 17:54:27 -0400 >From: Jack Shu >To: tp750@cs.utk.edu >Subject: TP701 & Windows NT 3.51 anyone? >Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19960629215427.0067dd18@kirk.ecs.umass.edu> > >Just wondering, has anyone installed win NT 3.51 on their 701's yet? does it >work? does NT support the built in sound, modem, etc? can you still >hibernate/suspend with win nt? I run NT v3.5 on my DX2 701 with 20M of RAM. It installs fine off of the distribution diskettes. You will need to visit chips & tech's web site to get the correct video driver and I also installed the sp4 patch kit from Microsoft's web site. The default VGA driver works okay with 16 colors. The C&T driver provides the same capability as the regular Windows v3.1 driver...but the colors seem a little "different". The modem works fine, although I have not set it up with the proper init string, so I told NT that I have an IBM PCMCIA 14.4 modem and type the init by hand. The generic 14.4 or Hayes 14.4 entries do not work. I am typing this on Eudora Light. I also use Netscape v2.02, Freeagent, and the built-in NT telnet & FTP clients with the built-in NT dialup PPP software. I have not tried FAXing or any sort of answering machine software as comes from the factory with v3.1. The sound works, you tell NT that you have a soundblaster card and the sound and microphone are fine...I have not investigated the sound input connectors (but mine were always so noisy I never used them under Windows v3.1). NT does not have any built-in software for changing the sound source. The IR port works fine. I use it with my HP200LX palmtop, but some of the software of interest to palmtop owners (Laplink remote access) won't run under NT. ZModem & Kermit are fine with the IR port. Suspend works okay except: NT looses track of time, the clock resumes right where it left off when you bring the machine back to life. I have not tried hibernate since it always caused problems with some program I used to use (SAS?), and I wanted the disk space. The disk spin-down and screen blanker work fine. However - under NT the disk is never spun down for long. The machine, as expected, is noticably slower when starting programs or puttering around...but, as expected, it handles load very well and has been very reliable. I have a stripped down version of NT with almost no services and very little extra power-robbing stuff and it is a bit slow (especially booting). I expect that things would be better on the DX4 model. But speed is relative. If you can handle Solaris on a SPARC 1+, NT on the DX2 Butterfly is fine (maybe better!). My battery life under NT is lower, I get a little over an hour with the NiCAD while I used to get a little under two hours with Windows v3.1. I understand that NT gets upset if you swap PCMCIA cards...but I have no PCMCIA cards in my system. The big side benefit to my setup is that I can use the NT printer services for my color HP DeskJet, printing is very fast and is not even noticable (performance impact wise). Best of all, I no longer have to look at that stupid inkdrop person/thing that waved the flag and said useful stuff like: "Printer not responding! Cancel your print job? " If you have a lot of RAM (16+), I think that NT is a viable alternative to OS/2 and UNIX. Without starting a war, I think that OS/2 sounds more "butterfly friendly" but if you have a reason to run NT...it can certainly be done. I have no idea about Jack's question regarding the benefits of NTFS to him, I used NTFS because I wanted long names, security, etc. -Ken From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 30 13:13:17 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA17391; Sun, 30 Jun 96 13:13:17 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA22065; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:12:29 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:11:08 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21792; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:11:03 -0400 Received: from mail.grove.ufl.edu (root@mail.grove.ufl.edu [128.227.8.6]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id NAA21776; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:10:59 -0400 Received: from bay.grove.ufl.edu (root@bay [128.227.8.9]) by mail.grove.ufl.edu (8.7.5/8.6.10) with ESMTP id NAA08881 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:14:01 -0400 Received: from rosa (ppp-01-ts12.nerdc.ufl.edu [128.227.206.200]) by bay.grove.ufl.edu (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id NAA28667 for ; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:13:58 -0400 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 1996 13:13:58 -0400 Message-Id: <199606301713.NAA28667@bay.grove.ufl.edu> X-Sender: ks@bay.grove.ufl.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu From: K A Sturrock Subject: 2 NT corrections! Correcting my earlier posting: 1.) NT's clock does work okay with suspend, it just seems to take it a little bit to figure out what time it really is. 2.) Hibernate fer-sure doesn't work with NTFS, you get a nasty BIOS-blue screen-looking message telling you that you need a FAT partition. If you have ample resources, you could always make a FAT partition for booting/hibernating I guess. -Ken From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 30 20:39:13 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08248; Sun, 30 Jun 96 20:39:13 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA21360; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:38:05 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:31:53 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20727; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:31:51 -0400 Received: from krakatoa.mpce.mq.edu.au (krakatoa.mpce.mq.edu.au [137.111.240.12]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA20711; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:31:41 -0400 Received: (from kcheong@localhost) by krakatoa.mpce.mq.edu.au (8.6.12/8.6.12) id KAA23900 for thinkpad@cs.utk.edu; Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:31:36 +1000 From: Kevin CHEONG Message-Id: <199607010031.KAA23900@krakatoa.mpce.mq.edu.au> Subject: WTB: 16Mb ram for 360/750 To: thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Date: Mon, 1 Jul 1996 10:31:35 +1000 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Anyone know a place I can get a 16Mb RAM for TP360/750? I'm here in Sydney Aus. and would like to do some mail order. An email address or fax number would be appreciated. BTW what's the current going price for the RAM? Anyone willing to part with their 16Mb RAM for old setups? cheers .kevin cheong From owner-thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Sun Jun 30 20:56:36 1996 Received: from CS.UTK.EDU by martigny.ai.mit.edu with SMTP (1.37.109.4/16.2) id AA08764; Sun, 30 Jun 96 20:56:36 -0400 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by CS.UTK.EDU with SMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA23032; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:55:48 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (bulk_mailer v1.6); Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:54:04 -0400 Received: by CS.UTK.EDU (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22600; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:54:02 -0400 Received: from mach1.gs.com (mach1.gs.com [192.246.9.35]) by CS.UTK.EDU with ESMTP (cf v2.9s-UTK) id UAA22593; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:54:00 -0400 From: Received: from gs.com (postoffice1.gs.com [138.8.220.10]) by mach1.gs.com (8.7.1/8.7.1/mach1) with SMTP id UAA07033; Sun, 30 Jun 1996 20:53:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smgd0.fi.gs.com by gs.com (4.1/GOLDMAN-1.0) id AA13800; Sun, 30 Jun 96 20:54:47 EDT Received: from dumbo.fi.gs.com by smgd0.fi.gs.com (4.1/SMI-4.2 (FI mail hub V3.1)) id AA24876; Sun, 30 Jun 96 20:53:19 EDT Received: by dumbo.fi.gs.com (4.1/FIclient-2.8) id AA27693; Sun, 30 Jun 96 20:53:18 EDT Date: Sun, 30 Jun 96 20:53:18 EDT Message-Id: <9606302053.ZM27691@dumbo.fi.gs.com> In-Reply-To: Kevin CHEONG "WTB: 16Mb ram for 360/750" (Jul 1, 10:31am) References: <199607010031.KAA23900@krakatoa.mpce.mq.edu.au> X-Mailer: Z-Mail Lite (3.2.0 5jul94) To: Kevin CHEONG , thinkpad@cs.utk.edu Subject: Re: WTB: 16Mb ram for 360/750 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I picked up a 16 MB SO DIMM for my TP 560 for $239 + shipping from First Source International (www.firstsource.com). This was a week ago, you may be able to do better. jim On Jul 1, 10:31am, Kevin CHEONG wrote: > Subject: WTB: 16Mb ram for 360/750 > Hi, > > Anyone know a place I can get a 16Mb RAM for TP360/750? I'm here in Sydney > Aus. and would like to do some mail order. An email address or fax number > would be appreciated. > > BTW what's the current going price for the RAM? > Anyone willing to part with their 16Mb RAM for old setups? > > cheers > .kevin cheong >-- End of excerpt from Kevin CHEONG